From <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-LISTSERV@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Mon Feb 6 18:02:16 1995 Received: from netaxs.com (root@netaxs.com [198.69.186.1]) by access.netaxs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01638 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:02:16 -0500 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu [128.205.2.1]) by netaxs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA06803 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:02:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199502062302.SAA06803@netaxs.com> Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7821; Mon, 06 Feb 95 18:01:09 EST Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9046; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:39:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:39:19 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at UBVM (1.8a)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9401" To: "Christopher J. Fearnley" Status: RO ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 19:46:00 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: scimatec5@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU Organization: University of Toledo Subject: Geodesic Eliptoid Does anyone here know how to make a geodesic eliptoid? Steve Mather ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 03:36:45 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Subject: Re: Geodesic Eliptoid In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 8 Jan 1994 19:46:00 GMT from On Sat, 8 Jan 1994 19:46:00 GMT said: >Does anyone here know how to make a geodesic eliptoid? Check out Hugh Kenner's "Geodesic Math and how to use it." I believe he explains how to do this (or at least gives the tools to figure it out yourself). > Steve Mather Chris Fearnley ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 17:38:14 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: DAMICO@GELMAN.CIRC.GWU.EDU Subject: Re: Old Man River, Failures etc I'm just wading through old internet mail. Let's get simple. Bucky also said that precessional effects are what most people label "side effects". i.e., I teach a person to fish so he can feed his family (Direct effect). One of his no longer hungry children now can focus in school and goes on to become an important scientist (precessional effect). ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 17:50:02 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: DAMICO@GELMAN.CIRC.GWU.EDU Subject: Re: 4D Lives! I've visited Kerby's house and own one much like it. His observations of box house living point to why my retirement home will be a smart dome. Since the view lot we purchased in Portland,OR is a cliff this dome will be built on an Octet Truss platform. Has anybody noticed that Thomas Edison built octet truss structures even before Fuller's kndergarten epiphany? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 13:19:44 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Jeff Weiner Organization: I CAN! BBS - Chicago, IL - 1-312-736-7388 Subject: Edison Octets D> From: DAMICO@GELMAN.CIRC.GWU.EDU D> I've visited Kerby's house and own one much like it. His D> observations of box house living point to why my retirement home will D> be a smart dome. Since the view lot we purchased in Portland,OR is a D> cliff this dome will be built on an Octet Truss platform. D> Has anybody noticed that Thomas Edison built octet truss structures D> even before Fuller's kndergarten epiphany? Really? Can you post some sources of examples? Jeff Weiner Chicago, IL jeff@ican.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 23:01:02 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: scimatec5@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU Organization: University of Toledo Subject: Re: 4D Lives! In article <34D0F554D7A@GELMAN.CIRC.GWU.EDU>, DAMICO@GELMAN.CIRC.GWU.EDU writes: > I've visited Kerby's house and own one much like it. His > observations of box house living point to why my retirement home will > be a smart dome. Since the view lot we purchased in Portland,OR is a > cliff this dome will be built on an Octet Truss platform. > > Has anybody noticed that Thomas Edison built octet truss structures > even before Fuller's kindergarten epiphany? Help me here, what exactly are octet trusses? Steve Mather ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 22:06:29 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Re: 4D Lives! > ...Edison built octet truss structures > event before Fuller's kndergarten epiphany? Didn't know that one, but it should be very well known that Alexander Graham Bell built Octahedral/Tetrahedral trusses and used them for enourmous kites & flying machines. I saw some _very_ old films of Bell and one of his octet configuration kites; it seemed to be one of his hobbies. All this makes me wonder what constituted an innovative enough feature of Fuller's implimentation to be awarded a patent... I mean, one of the fundamental rules about a realistic patent application is that it has neither been publically available knowledge nor an idea obvious to anyone with common knowledge in the subject area. By the way - what will you be building the Octetruss from? Do you have a vendor available or is this a self-engineered implimentation? amiano@delphi.com Mitch C. Amiano ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 22:34:49 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Re: 4D Lives! > Help me here, what exactly are octet trusses? I tried replying once before but think it got fouled in my comm package... An Octetruss, to use the trademarked moniker, is an OCtahedral and TETrahedral complementary grid implimented in such a way as to form a structural truss. (Forgive me if I answer in too simple a manner) A truss is an engineering mechanism for dispersing loads across a relatively long span, to enable coverage of large, primarilly horizontal areas with a minimum of underpinning supports (posts). Most trusses appear to be arranged to act independantly of one another, whereas the members of an Octetruss are all part of the whole unit. Octetruss is not the only such truss system. Other geometries have been used to create omnidirectional truss systems; the more general name for any one of these systems is a 'space grid' - which is to me a more satisfying name because it gives the image of a grid filling space. In any case, 'Space Grid' can be used for those of you out there who want to do searches for related materials, but can't think of any synonyms. Mitch C. Amiano amiano@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 22:55:55 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Tensegrity building materials My last message got chewed by Delphi's incredibly poor response times, so I need to make this message short. I am looking for materials with which to build sleek, strong, and potentially scalable tensegrity structures. Currently, I'm looking at combinations of aluminum tube and heavy-weight fishing line; some problems include the slipperyness of fishing line &- fasteners (it is tough to tie fishing line into fixed-length tension cables). One thing I'm looking for in particular is something like a miniature 'drill-chuck' which can be used to grab an end of a small line, and tightened via a screw-on sleve. Readers of FIX might find this note familiar. I welcome all responses and leads. Thanks! Mitch C. Amiano amiano@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 22:40:56 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Jeff Weiner Organization: I CAN! BBS - Chicago, IL - 1-312-736-7388 Subject: Re: 4D Lives! > > Has anybody noticed that Thomas Edison built octet truss structures > even before Fuller's kindergarten epiphany? s> Help me here, what exactly are octet trusses? s> Steve Mather They are three-dimensional trusses composed of equal-length members in a repeating pattern of octahedrons and tetrahedrons. Jeff Weiner Chicago, IL jeff@ican.com Fido 1:115/738 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 10:36:04 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Re: 4D Lives Subject: Re: 4D Lives! > Help me here, what exactly are octet trusses? I tried replying once before but think it got fouled in my comm package... An Octetruss, to use the trademarked moniker, is an OCtahedral and TETrahedral complementary grid implimented in such a way as to form a structural truss. (Forgive me if I answer in too simple a manner) A truss is an engineering mechanism for dispersing loads across a relatively long span, to enable coverage of large, primarilly horizontal areas with a minimum of underpinning supports (posts). Most trusses appear to be arranged to act independantly of one another, whereas the members of an Octetruss are all part of the whole unit. Octetruss is not the only such truss system. Other geometries have been used to create omnidirectional truss systems; the more general name for any one of these systems is a 'space grid' - which is to me a more satisfying name because it gives the image of a grid filling space. In any case, 'Space Grid' can be used for those of you out there who want to do searches for related materials, but can't think of any synonyms. Mitch C. Amiano amiano@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 10:39:24 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Re: Edison's Octets From: IN%"uucp@attmail.com" 14-JAN-1994 22:54:06.78 To: IN%"AMIANO@delphi.com" CC: Subj: Return-path: Received: from att.att.com (gw1.att.com) by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H7OU5ZY1BK985WIE@delphi.com>; Fri, 14 Jan 1994 22:53:47 EDT Received: from by /C=US/AD=ATTMAIL;Sat Jan 15 03:46:23 -0000 1994 Received: by /C=US/AD=ATTMAIL/PD=DCA;Fri Jan 14 18:46:19 GMT 1994 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 03:45:44 +0000 (GMT) From: uucp@attmail.com To: AMIANO@delphi.com Message-id: <01H7OU6034KY985WIE@delphi.com> Content-type: message Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Report-Version: 3 Original-Received: by /C=US/AD=ATTMAIL;Sat Jan 15 03:45:44 GMT 1994 Confirming-MTS-Message-ID: Confirming-UA-Content-ID: Original-Date: Sat Jan 15 03:45:44 GMT 1994 Not-Delivered-To: mhs!dca/G=darren/S=cromer/O=ccgate/OU1=dcaiccmk/RECIPNUM=1/MTA-BASIC due to code 01 "Invalid Address Specification"; arrived Sat Jan 15 03:45:44 GMT 1994; Message-Version: 2 UA-Content-ID: End-of-Header: EMail-Version: 2 Subject: Re: 4D Lives! UA-Message-ID: P2-Originator: internet!DELPHI.COM!AMIANO ("") To: internet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!GEODESIC (Multiple recipients of list GEODESIC) End-of-Protocol: Content-Type: text Content-Length: 876 > ...Edison built octet truss structures > event before Fuller's kndergarten epiphany? Didn't know that one, but it should be very well known that Alexander Graham Bell built Octahedral/Tetrahedral trusses and used them for enourmous kites & flying machines. I saw some _very_ old films of Bell and one of his octet configuration kites; it seemed to be one of his hobbies. All this makes me wonder what constituted an innovative enough feature of Fuller's implimentation to be awarded a patent... I mean, one of the fundamental rules about a realistic patent application is that it has neither been publically available knowledge nor an idea obvious to anyone with common knowledge in the subject area. By the way - what will you be building the Octetruss from? Do you have a vendor available or is this a self-engineered implimentation? amiano@delphi.com Mitch C. Amiano ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 10:40:29 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Tensegrity building materials Subject: Tensegrity building materials My last message got chewed by Delphi's incredibly poor response times, so I need to make this message short. I am looking for materials with which to build sleek, strong, and potentially scalable tensegrity structures. Currently, I'm looking at combinations of aluminum tube and heavy-weight fishing line; some problems include the slipperyness of fishing line &- fasteners (it is tough to tie fishing line into fixed-length tension cables). One thing I'm looking for in particular is something like a miniature 'drill-chuck' which can be used to grab an end of a small line, and tightened via a screw-on sleve. Readers of FIX might find this note familiar. I welcome all responses and leads. Thanks! Mitch C. Amiano amiano@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 10:52:50 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Hal Adams,AIA" Subject: Re: 4D Lives! The inductry term is "Space Frame" not "Grid". FYI. Hal Adams, AIA HARCH@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 09:12:05 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brewer Eddy Subject: Re: Edison's Octets > Didn't know that one, but it should be very well known that Alexander > Graham Bell built Octahedral/Tetrahedral trusses and used them for > enourmous kites & flying machines. I saw some _very_ old films of Bell > and one of his octet configuration kites; it seemed to be one of his > hobbies. I remember seeing photos of kites carrying a person!! He did make them BIG! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> D. Brewer Eddy College of William and Mary dbeddy@mail.wm.edu (generic, good!) Computer Center, Jones Hall Williamsburg, VA 23187-8795 It is important that students bring a certain ragamuffin barefoot irreverence to their studies; they are here not to worship what is known, but to question it. -Jacob Bronowski (in Ascent of Man 1975) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 08:51:07 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Bruce T. Lael" Subject: Early Octet trusses Someone asked for a reference as to early use of octet trusses, so here goes. It was Alexander Graham Bell and not Ford or Edisonthat I found reference to usi ng octet trusses before Bucky began to utilize them. Quote will follow in the ne xt message, my computer is bugging out! Bruce ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 09:19:09 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Bruce T. Lael" Subject: Octet reference (ok, my Sparc 10 is cooperating now!) The following quote comes from Hugh Kenner's book "Bucky: A Guided tour of Buckminster Fuller", c.1973 (LOC TA140.F9K46) "...What are we to make, for instance, of Alexander Graham Bell's infatuation about the tetrahedron? About two years after little Bucky's adventure with the toothpicks and the peas, the veteran inventor of telephony percieved in the tetrahedron a figure of singular virtue. It is the three-dimensional equivalent of the triangle, holding its form with invincible tenacity. It is the minimum space enclosure, with four identical sides nothing simpler can be envisaged. Having of all space enclosures the maximum structure in proportion to its content, it has therefore the maximum attainable strength. Bell's mind moved to performance per pound and to aeronautics, and in the very summer before the Wrights flew he wrote in his son-in-law's National Geographic of the virtues of a tetrahedronal configuration in kites. Such a kite will not easily lose lift, and Bell's idea that the future of aeronautics lay in a design which wouldn't tend to kill the pilot in case of a stall led him to hundreds of experiments with kites composed of many tetrahedral cells, as many as 1300. In 1905, such a kite powered by a feeble breeze, lifted a man some thirty feet into the air.... ...He did erect, on his Nova Scotia island, a tetrahedronal tower, its seventy-two foot legs meeting tripod fashion five stories above the ground. Each leg was subdivided into four-foot tetrahedral cells of half-inch pipe, and each cell could support two tons without signs of distress. Bell had effected about 1907 one of the periodical rediscoveries of the oc-tet configuration Bucky stumbled onto in kindergarten, and moreover has used it in a practical structure. He seems not to have applied for a patent and the tetrahedronal tower was dismantled after a decade. Bucky had very possibly never heard of it when he came upon the principle yet again during his geometrical work of the 1940's and wrote to his patent lawyer." PS: I think Bucky's patent for the oc-tet truss was for a connecting system of parts, not for the geometric principle. (Haven't found a reference yet!) Enjoy! Bruce Lael lael@venus.rcc.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 14:01:43 -0300 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: root@CNPTIA.EMBRAPA.BR Subject: ICSI94 Dear reader, Due to the wide spectrum of people that might be interested in the subjects to be discussed during the III International Conference on Systems Integration, we decided to post this call for papers in your mailing list. We encourage you to participate in this event as a paper author. The paper arrival deadline is March 3, 1994. Please forward this message to whoever you think it might be of interest and we appreciate your effort to post it. Thanks, Prof. Fuad Gattaz Sobrinho Conference Chairman ----------------------------------------------------------------- Call for Papers The Third International Conference for Systems Integration Sao Paulo City - Brazil July 30th - August 6th, 1994 ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Integration of Society for the Social, Economical, Scientific and Technological Development. This conference focuses on the integration of technologies, processes and systems, and the development of mechanisms and tools enabling solutions to complex multi-disciplinary problems dealing with agriculture, housing, telecommunications, financing and business, public services, education and software. The conference will provide an international and interdisciplinary forum in which researchers, educators, managers, practitioners and politicians, involved within the production process, can share novel research and development, education, production, trading, management and political experiences. Papers should deal with recent effort in theory, design, implementation, methodology, technics, tools and experiences of integration. Topics to be addressed include, but are not limited to: Technical and Scientific Aspects: - Integration, Modeling, Characterization and Automation of Process and Systems - Reengineering and Simplification of Processes - Computational Environments and Software Factories for Engineerind, Design, Manufacturing and System Development - Rol of Human Engineering in Integration - Experiences within National or Continental Software Projects - The Implication of Systems Integration for Manpower Skills - Quality Control and Certification in Organizational and Process Integration. Social, Political and Economical Aspects: - Experiences in Modeling, Development, Evolution and Integration of Enterprises - Experiences in Management and Identification of Value-Add Chains within Agriculture, Housing, Telecommunications, Financing and Business, Public Services, Education and Software - Public Policies and City Management - Management of Multi-dimensional Integration. Infrastructure Aspects: - Qualified Information Resources - Education and Training - Science and Technology - Enterprise Development. Information and Instructions for Authors: All papers must be in English or Portuguese, typed in double spaced format, and may not exceed 6,000 words. Each submission should provide a cover page containing author(s), affiliation(s), complete address(es), identification of principal author, and telephone number. Also include SIX copies of complete text with a title and abstract. Notice of acceptance will be mailed to the principal author(s) by March 15, 1994. If accepted, the author(s) will prepare the final manuscript, in English, in time for inclusion in the conference proceedings and will present the paper at the conference; otherwise, the author(s) will incur a page charge. Authors of accepted papers must sign a copyright release form. The proceedings will be published by the IEEE Computer Society Press. Send SIX copies of your paper(s) to: Prof. Peter A. Ng IIISis - USA Office - New Jersey Institute of Technology University Heights Newark, NJ 07102 USA For Further Information, Contact: Prof. Peter A. Ng Prof. Fuad Gattaz Sobrinho Fone:(1) (201) 596-3387 OR Phone:(55)(192) 41-4504 Fax: (1)(201) 596-5777 Fax: (55)(192) 41-3098 Email: ng_p@vienna.njit.edu Email: iiisis@ccvax.unicamp.br ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> Paper Arrival Deadline: March 3rd, 1994 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFERENCE COMMITTEE Conference Chair Fuad Gattaz Sobrinho IIISis Program Chair Peter A. Ng NJIT Finance & Business Co-Chair Alcir A. Calliari Banco do Brasil Agriculture Co-Chair Ney B. Araujo ABAG European Co-Chair Herbert Weber University of Dortmund Pac!fic Co-Chair Fumihiko Kamijo IPA Middle East Co-Chair Asuman Dogac METU South America Co-Chair Julio C. S. P. Leite PUC/RJ North America Co-Chair Bruce Berra Syracuse University Tutorials Co-Chairs Oscar Ivan Palma Pacheco EMBRAPA Murat M. Tanik SMU Organization Co-Chairs Rita de Cassia A. Marchiore IIISis Carole Poth NJIT Steering Committee Chair Peter A. Ng NJIT Honorary Advisors Raymond T. Yeh C. V. Ramamoorthy Laurence C. Seifert Honorary Conference Chair Irma Rossetto Passoni Sc&Tech, Info. and Comm. Comission of Brazilian Congress. Sponsored by IIISis - International Institute for Systems Integration, BB - Banco do Brasil, TELEBRAS, FINEP, CNPq, FBB, with colaboration of NJIT, SUCESU, EMBRAPA, ABAG, ACM e IEEE Computer Society. Instituto Internacional de Integracao de Sistemas - IIISis - Brazil. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 21:30:26 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "Clarence L. Thomas IV" Organization: Andrews University, Berrien Springs, MI, 49104 Subject: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon The earthquake in Los Angeles, California, the flood in Europe, the seemingly unstoppable war in the former Yugoslavia, the devastating fires in Australia, the flood in the Midwest of the United States of America, the devastating fires near Los Angeles, California, the rapid and appalling increase in violence in cities, towns, villages all over the world, the famines, the diseases, the rapid decline of the family unit, and the destructive earthquake in India (in 1993) are signs that this world's history is coming to a climax. The human race has trampled on God's Constitution, as given in Exodus 20:1-17 (King James Version Bible), and Jesus is coming to set things right. These rapidly accelerating signs are an indication that Jesus is coming soon (Matthew 24). God's Holy Spirit is gradually withdrawing its protection from the earth and the devastating events you see are demonstrations of Satan's power. All those who are not guarded by God are in danger of forever losing eternal life. If you want to know what's about to happen, please study the books of Daniel and Revelation which are located in God's Word, the Bible. They are not sealed or closed books. They can and must be understood by all. Every word in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation is true. The Bible and the Bible only must be your guide. When God's Law (the Constitution for the Universe) is consistently ignored, disregarded, changed, and questioned, He permits certain events to occur to wake us up. I would urge all, wherever you are and regardless of the circumstances, to directly call on Jesus and ask Him to intervene in your life. Jesus who created this planet and every living creature in it and on it, died on the cross, was raised from the dead by God the Father, and is now in Heaven interceding for you. Jesus is the only One who can rescue us from the slavery, misery, and death Satan is causing us. For reference I'm including God's Constitution as given in the King James Version Bible. Please note that when God says the seventh day, he means Sabbath (the 7th day of the week) not Sunday (1st day of the week). Commandment #1: Exodus 20:1-3 (KJV) And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Commandment #2: Exodus 20:4-6 (KJV) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Commandment #3: Exodus 20:7 (KJV) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Commandment #4: Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Commandment #5: Exodus 20:12 (KJV) Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. Commandment #6: Exodus 20:13 (KJV) Thou shalt not kill. Commandment #7: Exodus 20:14 (KJV) Thou shalt not commit adultery. Commandment #8: Exodus 20:15 (KJV) Thou shalt not steal. Commandment #9: Exodus 20:16 (KJV) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Commandment #10: Exodus 20:17 (KJV) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. I also recommend that the following books be obtained and closely studied: The Great Controversy By Ellen G. White Review and Herald Publishing Association Hagerstown, MD 21740 The Desire of the Ages By Ellen G. White Review and Herald Publishing Association Hagerstown, MD 21740 Patriarchs and Prophets By Ellen G. White Review and Hearld Publishing Association Hagerstown, MD 21740 Daniel and the Revelation By Uriah Smith Review and Herald Publishing Association Hagerstown, MD 21740 ------- Clarence L. Thomas IV Phone: 616-471-6116 E-mail: thomas@redwood.cc.andrews.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 00:38:00 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Gordon C. Muth III" Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon would somebody please yank this turkey off the list!!! gordon muth gm07661@academia.swt.edu ps- i'd rather cast my vote on overcrowding! maybe he should do the world a favor and off himself! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 01:01:44 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Gordon C. Muth III" Organization: Southwest Texas State University Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon somebody should can this buzzard from the list! gordon muth gm07661@academia.swt.edu ps- since the real problem is overcrowding maybe the kind mr buzzard would off himself! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 01:56:34 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: mwitten@CHPC.UTEXAS.EDU Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon In-Reply-To: <9401180642.AA16739@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu> from "Gordon C. Muth III" at Jan 18, 94 00:38:00 am The easiest way to get this turkey off the list is to send a message to the postmaster at the turkey's address. If the postmaster receives enough complaints he can yank his internet access. Matthew > > would somebody please yank this turkey off the list!!! > > > gordon muth > gm07661@academia.swt.edu > > > ps- i'd rather cast my vote on overcrowding! maybe > he should do the world a favor and off himself! > -- _____________________________________________________________________ Matthew Witten UT System Center For High Performance Computing Balcones Research Center, 1.154 CMS 10100 Burnet Road, Austin, TX 78758-4497 USA Phone: (512) 471-2472 FAX: (512) 471-2445 E-MAIL MWITTEN@CHPC.UTEXAS.EDU _____________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 03:09:31 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Jim Bowery Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Subject: Telephone Poles Has anyone built a geodesic dome with telephone poles? It seems a 3 frequency semisphere would make a good framework for a large enclosed area relatively inexpensive. -- The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population. The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 08:41:34 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brewer Eddy Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon > The earthquake in Los Angeles, California, the flood in Europe, the seemingly > unstoppable war in the former Yugoslavia, the devastating fires in Australia, > the flood in the Midwest of the United States of America, the devastating fire s Commandment #1 DO send mail to POSTMASTER there. Excellent Idea. Commandment #2 send PAGES of the number "6" back at him! Or 666 sick, sick, sick 666 etc etc etc... Drown the dummy!! Yee, HAW!! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> D. Brewer Eddy College of William and Mary dbeddy@mail.wm.edu (generic, good!) Computer Center, Jones Hall Williamsburg, VA 23187-8795 It is important that students bring a certain ragamuffin barefoot irreverence to their studies; they are here not to worship what is known, but to question it. -Jacob Bronowski (in Ascent of Man 1975) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 09:57:47 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Christian M Gillstrap Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon In-Reply-To: <9401180706.AA12695@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu> On Tue, 18 Jan 1994, Gordon C. Muth III wrote: > somebody should can this buzzard from the list! > > ps- since the real problem is overcrowding maybe > the kind mr buzzard would off himself! He's not on the list, he's posting to every list he can think of, could someone probably direct him maybe to Usenet? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 10:53:16 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill kovarik Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon In-Reply-To: <9401181446.AA04276@ruacad.ac.runet.edu>; from "Brewer Eddy" at Jan 18, 94 8:41 am Its a shame that Mr. Clarence L. Thomas is probably going to think that he is being surpressed by Godless heathens who dont want to hear the Truth. I hope he can stay on the list long enough to read the replies. Fact is, Mr. Thomas, bandwidth is expensive. That may not be a huge problem on the Geodesic list, but you have also posted this message on the Technology Transfer in International Development list, which is extremely expensive for people in the Third World. There have been lots of complaints on that list about the very, very high cost of irrelevant material. Has the human race trampled on God's constitution any more in recent years than previous? Are these "End Times?" Or has Mr. Thomas wrapped his own paranoia around those beautiful words and thereby profaned that which he professes to love? Tune in tomorrow for "As the World Burns" or "Nightmare on -L street" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 15:40:00 EST Reply-To: dkapstd@slick-50.ftp.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was dkap@SLICK-50.FTP.COM From: "A Page in the Life of ..." Subject: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon In-Reply-To: "Gordon C. Muth III"'s message of Tue, 18 Jan 1994 00:38:00 CST <9401180642.AA29973@cs.brandeis.edu> would somebody please yank this turkey off the list!!! ps- i'd rather cast my vote on overcrowding! maybe he should do the world a favor and off himself! Hmm, if enough people show him the inherent contradictions in his statements, perhaps he will either learn better or leave for a more ripe audience. Besides, by his own rules, he is commiting sacrilige, by claiming to know the mind of G-d. Sigh. Petty mortals. Dave K. -- Mohammed Jabber, 33, has been jailed for three years for kidnapping a former Bangladeshi politician in Poplar, east London, and forcing a chilli pepper up his rectum in a row over debt. Jabber, a community worker, photographed the man as he suffered ``considerable pain.'' _Daily_Telegraph_ 21 Nov 1991 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 14:50:31 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gary Pattillo Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon In-Reply-To: <199401180641.AA13993@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> On Tue, 18 Jan 1994, Gordon C. Muth III wrote: > would somebody please yank this turkey off the list!!! I got the same message on several of my lists. It's probably a prank against Mr. Thomas. It would probably be best just to ignore it as a big response is probably what the perpetrator had in mind. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 15:56:34 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: JWIL000 Subject: Geodesic dome mathematics I am interested in understanding the geometry of geodesic domes, in particular, how to calculate the spatial coordinates of the nodes (or triangle centroids). Does anyone know of a good reference for this (or related) topic? Thanks. Jim Willemin Geology Department St. Lawrence University Canton, NY 13617 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 09:21:30 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brewer Eddy Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon > On Tue, 18 Jan 1994, Gordon C. Muth III wrote: > > > would somebody please yank this turkey off the list!!! > > > I got the same message on several of my lists. It's probably a prank > against Mr. Thomas. It would probably be best just to ignore it as a big > response is probably what the perpetrator had in mind. > I am also on woodwork list, and that list received an apology from a postmaster sort. Apparrently, the Thomas (fake name, check it out) dude was known, and has been removed (Now if it was the fruitloop himself that sent it.....). We live in hope... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> D. Brewer Eddy College of William and Mary dbeddy@mail.wm.edu (generic, good!) Computer Center, Jones Hall Williamsburg, VA 23187-8795 It is important that students bring a certain ragamuffin barefoot irreverence to their studies; they are here not to worship what is known, but to question it. -Jacob Bronowski (in Ascent of Man 1975) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 07:42:00 LCL Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gary Booker Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon I doubt it. Experience has shown me that people who have adopted this particular world view are unswayed by logical argument. Maybe people should be required to take instruction classes in logic and semantics, and have to pass an examination before being permitted to expouse religious ideas publicaly. After all, world religeon is responsible for more human death and suffering than automobile accidents, and you need to go through training and examination before being allowed to drive a car. If the gentleman in question was able to bring some of the things he discusses into a laboratory (God, etc.), and scientifically proves some of the opinions he glibly tries to pass of as facts, I for one would be inclined to take him a little more seriously. On the other hand, maybee I wouldn't. Cheers, Gary_Booker@Intersolv.com =========================================================================== No wife, no horse, no mustache! =========================================================================== ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon Author: dkapstd@slick-50.ftp.com at Internet Date: 1/18/94 3:40 PM would somebody please yank this turkey off the list!!! ps- i'd rather cast my vote on overcrowding! maybe he should do the world a favor and off himself! Hmm, if enough people show him the inherent contradictions in his statements, perhaps he will either learn better or leave for a more ripe audience. Besides, by his own rules, he is commiting sacrilige, by claiming to know the mind of G-d. Sigh. Petty mortals. Dave K. -- Mohammed Jabber, 33, has been jailed for three years for kidnapping a former Bangladeshi politician in Poplar, east London, and forcing a chilli pepper up his rectum in a row over debt. Jabber, a community worker, photographed the man as he suffered ``considerable pain.'' _Daily_Telegraph_ 21 Nov 1991 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 21:56:23 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Murali Organization: UB Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon Christian M Gillstrap writes: >On Tue, 18 Jan 1994, Gordon C. Muth III wrote: >> somebody should can this buzzard from the list! >> >> ps- since the real problem is overcrowding maybe >> the kind mr buzzard would off himself! > He's not on the list, he's posting to every list he can think of, could >someone probably direct him maybe to Usenet? It looks like he _is_ on Usenet - posting to every group there. Remember, this list is gated to Usenet via the newsgroup bit.listserv.geodesic, as are several other listserv mailing lists. It seems, however, that all of the original "Global Alert" messages were cancelled, and only those who caught it early actually got them. If he _were_ on the list, he wouldn't be any more. Marc Majcher listowner -- majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu | *Mail with Subject=sendkey for PGP key* Filmore Neurological Organization | Uwa, taihen da! P.O. Box 156, Amherst, NY 14226 | Kono supa ni Voice: (716) 833-3960 | tiranozaurusu ga iru! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 18:15:36 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: JWIL000 Subject: Geodesic dome mathematics I am interested in the math defining the geometry of geodesic domes: how does one figure the locations of nodes? How many panels are required? Etc. I would appreciate any references or other leads on the trig (or spherical trig) involved. Please reply by e-mail to jwil@slumus.bitnet. Thanks. Jim Willemin Geology Department St. Lawrence University Canton, NY 13617 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 21:36:19 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Charles Cass - ASNG/F93 Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Subject: More info?? Could somebody please refer me to sources of more information about geodesic domes. I've seen advertisements in Popular Science by a company named Timberline Geodesics. They offer a catalogue of prices etc. for $12. Anybody know anything about this company?? I also saw an article several years ago (also Pop.Sci.) about a different design that was supposed to be stronger than the original, I believe it used octagonal and pentagonal shapes instead of triangles. I'm interested in the possibilities for commercial use, types of building materials (other than wood), conformance with building codes (here in Canada) and, well, just about anything else I can find out. I only just discovered this newsgroup, so you'll have to excuse me if I'm asking for already rehashed info. Responses posted to this group or mailed to me directly are welcome. Thanks, Charles Cass ccass@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 19:59:02 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tom Kerns Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon Brewer - I found the "Global alert" as offensive (or maybe "silly") as some others did, but I find the responses to his posting much more offensive. No free speech? No defending a person's right to speak even those things that most people find offensive? So we talk of "offing" people. I think these rancorous reactions are sad & rude, and make me think that maybe Stephen Carter is right in his recently published _The Culture of Disbelief_. Too bad. - Tom Kerns ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 00:26:13 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Re: 4D Lives! Yep, it is "Space Frame" - I stand corrected. Gee, I feel like someone who keeps using the wrong pronunciation in a conversation, only corrected after declaring his ignorance. :-) Well, I don't spend much time involved in the industry or its publications/writings... so... did I at some point in the past coin the phrase 'Space Grid'? I may not be the only one to do so, but it would be a remarkably funny to me that someone else pointed out my use of a term was my own invention. I do remember now thinking that 'Frame' seemed too constrictive a term if you wanted to conceptualize them. Anyway, the only reference I ever saw of Space Frames was in a report out of MIT, stuck in a college library nook. Might you be able to suggest other leads, references, or general information on the subject? mca amiano@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 00:10:25 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Re: Geodesic dome mathematics A book was written, I think by Hugh Kenner, on just this subject; I don't have the name off-hand, but the book, and others, should be available from the R.B.Fuller Institute, phone 310-837-7710 located at 1743 S. La Cienega Blvd, Los Angles CA 90035 The people there are very helpful. Dunno how this last 'quake affected them, though. mca amiano@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 06:02:35 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Cristopher J. Fearnley" Subject: Re: Geodesic dome mathematics In-Reply-To: ; from "JWIL000" at Jan 18, 94 3:56 pm > > I am interested in understanding the geometry of geodesic > domes, in particular, how to calculate the spatial > coordinates of the nodes (or triangle centroids). Does > anyone know of a good reference for this (or related) topic? > Thanks. Hugh Kenner's book _Geodesic Math and How to Use it_ is the best summary of dome material that I have seen. He's comprehensive and simply written. If you want to learn the philosophy and science behind the domes, try Fuller's _Synergetics_ vol 1 and 2. If you can get a hold of the the _Domebooks_ they are useful. > > Jim Willemin > Geology Department > St. Lawrence University > Canton, NY 13617 > Chris Fearnley cfearnl@cpp.pha.phl.pa.us cfearnl@pacs.pha.phl.pa.us cfearnl@pacsibm.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 06:34:39 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Cristopher J. Fearnley" Subject: Re: Geodesic dome mathematics In-Reply-To: ; from "JWIL000" at Jan 19, 94 6:15 pm > > I am interested in the math defining the geometry of geodesic > domes: how does one figure the locations of nodes? How many > panels are required? Etc. I would appreciate any references > or other leads on the trig (or spherical trig) involved. > Please reply by e-mail to jwil@slumus.bitnet. > Thanks. A geodesic dome is based on subdividing the geometry of an icosahedron. There are several choices on how to do this (more choices as frequency of the subdivisions of the icosa increases). Number and shapes of panels depends on the particular geometry choosen. Refs and spherical trig have been posted recently to this group. I'll forward archival material to those who need it. > > Jim Willemin > Geology Department > St. Lawrence University > Canton, NY 13617 > Chris Fearnley cpp.pha.pa.us pacs.pha.pa.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 18:55:44 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Kevin Sahr Organization: Forest Sciences Laboratory Subject: Coords for Dymaxion Map? I'm looking for the latitude/longitude coordinates of the vertices of the triangles that make up the Dymaxion Map. I'm especially interested in the coordinates of the little triangles that are pieces of icosahedron vertices. Thanks! Kevin ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 15:37:15 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tim Travis Subject: Re: Geodesic dome mathematics I would like some of this archival material. I am new to the list, and very curious. Thanks. Tim lsc1547@dlscg3.dlsc.dla.mil ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 16:24:13 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tom Dosemagen Subject: Re: More info?? Try contacting Natural Spaces at 1-800-733-7107. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 20:21:44 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Hal Adams,AIA" Subject: Re: 4D Lives! Most trade publications periodically have articles on space frames. You might try "Architecture" a monthly publication of the American Institute of Architects, "Engineering News Record" an engineering weekly. You can check the "Art Index" which has an index of all articles from design publications. A good general structural book is "Why Buildings Stand Up" by Mario Salvadori, published by McGraw Hill paperbacks. Hal Adams, AIA HARCH@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 00:54:11 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: scimatec5@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU Organization: University of Toledo Subject: Re: Geodesic dome mathematicsnews In article <01H7VW4Q2OK28ZEM42@delphi.com>, "" writes: > A book was written, I think by Hugh Kenner, on just this subject; > I don't have the name off-hand, but the book, and others, should be > available from the R.B.Fuller Institute, phone 310-837-7710 > located at 1743 S. La Cienega Blvd, Los Angles CA 90035 > The people there are very helpful. Dunno how this last 'quake > affected them, though. > Well, I don't know. Are they housed in a dome? =) > mca > amiano@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 09:44:49 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Bruce T. Lael" Subject: Re: Coords for Dymaxion Map? The Dymaxion map was created by RBF in 1943 to give a map of the world with minimal distortion of land masses (as compared to standard projection maps) and without any breaks in the continents. There are several versions of it, which you can get from the Fuller Institute in LA. The map does have Lat/Long lines on it, but I don't know if the icosa verticies are referenced specifically to Lat/long coords. I'll dust off my copy at home and see if the verticies are marked. Good Luck! Bruce Lael lael@venus.rcc.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 09:55:39 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brewer Eddy Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon > Brewer - > > I found the "Global alert" as offensive (or maybe "silly") as > some others did, but I find the responses to his posting much more > offensive. No free speech? No defending a person's right to speak even > those things that most people find offensive? So we talk of "offing" > people. I think these rancorous reactions are sad & rude, and make me > think that maybe Stephen Carter is right in his recently published _The > Culture of Disbelief_. Too bad. > > - Tom Kerns > A very good point! I AM for freedom of speech, but also for freedom to ignore. That in-my-face approach often doesn't work with me, so I probably DID overreact... But anyone who tells me what to think will be apt to receive such short treatment from me. But your point is very well taken! I think of myself as religious, but my religion admits of various ways to understand/ get to The Diety (for instance, I think of Hinduism as the world's only monotheistic religion with 333 million Gods...). Folks that think that theirs is the ONLY way, I admit, I don't bother with... The "silliness" quotient was way too high for me. With regards, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> D. Brewer Eddy College of William and Mary dbeddy@mail.wm.edu (generic, good!) Computer Center, Jones Hall Williamsburg, VA 23187-8795 It is important that students bring a certain ragamuffin barefoot irreverence to their studies; they are here not to worship what is known, but to question it. -Jacob Bronowski (in Ascent of Man 1975) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 09:47:12 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brewer Eddy Subject: Re: More info?? > Could somebody please refer me to sources of more information > about geodesic domes. I've seen advertisements in Popular Science by a > company named Timberline Geodesics. They offer a catalogue of prices etc. > for $12. Anybody know anything about this company?? I have their stuff (propaganda), and it is impressive (I WANT a nested, two dome home!!)! > I also saw an > article several years ago (also Pop.Sci.) about a different design that > was supposed to be stronger than the original, I believe it used octagonal > and pentagonal shapes instead of triangles. How so? Sounds like some one talking through their hat! Stronger than a triangle??? "I don't think so, Tim" I'm interested in the > possibilities for commercial use, types of building materials (other than > wood), conformance with building codes (here in Canada) and, well, just > about anything else I can find out. I've seen ferro-concrete (way cool!), foam sprayed onto wire mesh, Most awesome was the US pavillion at EXPO'67 in Montreal (ENORMOUS, but din't seem so until you noticed an Apollo capsule WITH PARACHUTES "tucked off in a corner" up by the "roof". THAT was amazing! Something so big (THREE BIG parachutes, up and over there, looking so small!), Heard of car rooves and hoods cut into panels and bolted. DO get the DOMEBOOKS (Hippie vintage stuff, I got mine!). Maybe try to get the frame approved first, THEN the skin is just the skin (easier way in some locals to the whole thing approved and up...). <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> D. Brewer Eddy College of William and Mary dbeddy@mail.wm.edu (generic, good!) Computer Center, Jones Hall Williamsburg, VA 23187-8795 It is important that students bring a certain ragamuffin barefoot irreverence to their studies; they are here not to worship what is known, but to question it. -Jacob Bronowski (in Ascent of Man 1975) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 16:50:41 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Re: 4D Lives! Thanks for the references. By the way... how much influence, or perhaps I might say exposure, would you say Tensegrity designs get in the trade publications you've seen regularly? I'm just curious as to the state of its permeation (or non-permeation) into the architectural industry. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 17:05:02 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Re: Geodesic dome mathematicsnews ;-) (Niether my comm package nor Delphi email facilitate quoting, so bear w/ me) Good 'un! But that raises a good point, which is that, given a sufficiently immature industrial infrastructure to support the 'general consumption' of a good (in this case geodesic dwellings), even the RBFI might have found it more realistic to set up operations in an 'ordinary' structure. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 22:30:18 GMT Reply-To: John Kohlstrand Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: John Kohlstrand Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Subject: ``Metroplex'' I'm trying to understand the backround of the term Metroplex. It's the name of a techno record label in Detroit, and I've generally taken the word to mean any large metropolitian city and its suburbs. I've been told Fuller used the word to describe his vision of huge, self contained cities. Is this true? John Kohlstrand aa2243@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu -- _ __ ___ Cybotron. The Chronicle, Elyria, Ohio, USA___ __ _ (aa2243@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu) ``The music is like Detroit, a complete mistake. It's Kraftwerk and George Clinton stuck in an elevator.'' -- Derrick May ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 21:26:31 -0500 Reply-To: ae610@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brady Thompson Subject: Re: Geodesic dome mathematics Try Geodesic Math and How to Use It - by Hugh Kenner. Hard to get, harder to wo rk through, but it will answer your question. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 00:23:20 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Subject: Re: Geodesic dome mathematicsnews In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 22 Jan 1994 17:05:02 -0400 from On Sat, 22 Jan 1994 17:05:02 -0400 said: > ;-) >(Niether my comm package nor Delphi email facilitate quoting, so bear w/ me) >Good 'un! >But that raises a good point, which is that, given a sufficiently immature >industrial infrastructure to support the 'general consumption' of a good >(in this case geodesic dwellings), even the RBFI might have found it more >realistic to set up operations in an 'ordinary' structure. I believe that BFI intends to move into a dome at some point it the future. None were available at its inception. Since BFI would be interested in furthering the cause of domes, I feel it would be worth it to build a special dome for the Institute. Chris Fearnley cfearnl@cpp.pha.pa.us ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 00:28:55 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Subject: Re: Coords for Dymaxion Map? In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 21 Jan 1994 09:44:49 EST from On Fri, 21 Jan 1994 09:44:49 EST Bruce T. Lael said: >The Dymaxion map was created by RBF in 1943 to give a map of the >world with minimal distortion of land masses (as compared to >standard projection maps) and without any breaks in the >continents. > >There are several versions of it, which you can get from the Fuller >Institute in LA. The map does have Lat/Long lines on it, but I don't >know if the icosa verticies are referenced specifically to Lat/long >coords. I don't believe they map one-to-one. In fact the lines of lat/lon are the only clearly distorted feature of the map (they undergo some "bends"). The icosa mappping can be thought of as if the icosa was placed so that each icosa-face just touches the surface of the planet. Probably only the equator is in one-to-one coorespondence. > >I'll dust off my copy at home and see if the verticies are marked. > >Good Luck! >Bruce Lael >lael@venus.rcc.com Do Enjoy! Chris Fearnley cfearnl@cpp.pha.pa.us ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 00:34:24 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Subject: Re: Geodesic dome mathematics In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 20 Jan 1994 15:37:15 -0500 from On Thu, 20 Jan 1994 15:37:15 -0500 Tim Travis said: >I would like some of this archival material. I am new to the list, and >very curious. You can get the most recent archives of list GEODESIC by sending the one-line mail message "get geodesic log93??" where ?? range from mid-year to 12 (December) to "listserv@ubvm" perhaps "listserrv@ubvm.bitnet. Older logs are archived on cpp.pha.pa.us (FIX - Fuller Information eXchange - (215)463-7160 and soon to be available via telnet and ftp??) I intend to write the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) on Fuller. This will take some time, however. If you have a question (with answer, please submit it to cfearnl@cpp.pha.pa.us). I will also gladly accept any suggestions on content to be included. If you haven't gotten the information you need, e-mail me again to encourage me to "get with it". > >Thanks. >Tim >lsc1547@dlscg3.dlsc.dla.mil Chris Fearnley cfearnl@cpp.pha.pa.us ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 13:13:05 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Re: Geodesic dome mathematicsnews >...BFI intends to move into a dome at some point... >None were available at its inception. ... I can see how someone would see irony in the earlier remark; I just intended to note that, as RBF realized, there seem to be gestation periods associated with the recognition and general acceptance of many break-through technologies/ concepts. Even when accepted, a break-through technology often bears little obvious relation to the original expressions. But I think this is precessing into another thread... Mitch C. Amiano ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 11:24:19 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "John E. Lundgren" Organization: California Technology Project of The Calif State Univ Subject: Re: Tensegrity building materials -- Fortune cookie/Tagline for the week: Psychiatrist's secretary: "There's a man in the waiting room who claims to be invisible." Psychiatrist: "Tell him I can't see him right now." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 20:19:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Hal Adams,AIA" Subject: Re: 4D Lives! Not much. Most architectural publications will publish projects based on their overall design value. Very infrequently there are technical articles dealing with tensile structures. The imagery of high tech has it's followers, but a lot of the execution of high tech projects is superficial. Norman Foster (who recently was awarded the AIA's gold medal) and Renzo Piano are some current practitioners of that aesthetic. Hal Adams AIA HARCH@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 12:14:34 -0500 Reply-To: ae610@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brady Thompson Subject: Re: Geodesic dome mathematics Try Kenner's book "Geodesic Math and How to use it". ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 22:13:05 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Adam Cody Coggins Organization: PSI Public Usenet Link Subject: Re: Coords for Dymaxion Map? In-Reply-To: <9401211444.AA08027@venus.rcc.com> Speaking of the Dymaxion Map, I was pleased to see it as part of a recent Smithsonion exhibit on maps in Washington, DC (In both flat and icosahedral forms). One thesis of the exhibit was that choices made in projecting, designing, and drawing a map affect the way that people perceive the place depicted; I have a feeling RBF would agree. -Cody Coggins ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 23:58:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 4D Solutions >The icosa mappping can be thought of as if the icosa was placed so >that each icosa-face just touches the surface of the planet. >Probably only the equator is in one-to-one coorespondence. Actually, it's an icosa w/ its 20 triangles subdivided to give new vertices, which are push out equi-radially to approximate a sphere. The icosa is an intermediate stage between this high frequency icosa sphere and the final unfolding into a flat projection. Kirby Urner pdx4d@igc.apc.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 23:58:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 4D Solutions >I believe that BFI intends to move into a dome at some point it the >future. None were available at its inception. Since BFI would be >interested in furthering the cause of domes, I feel it would be >worth it to build a special dome for the Institute. I know BFI would love a dome. Fuller was advocating a lot of other 'more with less' construction strategies too though. The 'house on a pole' was not domical. Tensegrity high-rises and the like... Some schemes have the dome doing weather protection work, but the inside framing following more traditional rectilinear patterns. I'd like BFI to be part of a campus where several of these options could be prototyped. I'd like to see prototypes featured in TV mini-series about the near future (fiction, but using real proto- props). Star Trek is fine, but it's too far off to show how we get there from here. TV needs to have a show about a time as far forward as The Waltons was in the past. -- Kirby Urner pdx4d@igc.apc.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 23:59:11 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 4D Solutions >I've been told Fuller used the word [MetroPlex] to describe his >vision of huge, self contained cities. Is this true? Consulting my 4 volume Synergetics Dictionary of a gazillion citiations to Fullers printed and spoken remarks, I find no entry under MetroPlex. Can't recall ever reading it in a Fuller volume either, but that doesn't mean it ain't there. Unlikely though. -- Kirby pdx4d@igc.apc.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 10:24:10 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Paolo Remagnino Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France Subject: Email address of Prof. AW Gruen (Zurich) Hi there, I recently read a paper written in 1985 by prof. AW Gruen on adaptive least square method applied to image matching. I come from the Vision community where we usually communicate by email. I would like to contact prof Gruen to know if he has written more papers on the subject in the recent years. my email is remagni@lifia.imag.fr thanx in advance Dr Paolo Remagnino ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 09:37:00 -0500 Reply-To: ad960@freenet.buffalo.edu Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Timothy P. Gardner" Subject: GEODESIC join GEODESIC list ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 15:57:06 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: DAMICO@GELMAN.CIRC.GWU.EDU Subject: Re: Coords for Dymaxion Map? I unfortunately didn't get to the exhibit. (I think it has moved on). I did notice it was sponsered by something called the "Cooper- Hewitt" design foundation (something like that). Does anyone know if there is a connection to Bucky's wife Anne. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 16:08:57 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: DAMICO@GELMAN.CIRC.GWU.EDU Subject: Re: Edison's Octets Actually, I misspoke. I was recollecting Alexander Graham Bell not Edison. Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 20:26:31 LCL Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerry Segal Subject: Re: Coords for Dymaxion Map? On January 31 DAMICO@GELMAN.CIRC.GWU.EDU Wrote: > I unfortunately didn't get to the exhibit. (I think it has moved > on). I did notice it was sponsered by something called the "Cooper- > Hewitt" design foundation (something like that). Does anyone know if > there is a connection to Bucky's wife Anne. The exhibit was quite interesting. It was initially presented at the Cooper Hewitt Museum, a New York City division of the Smithsonian Institute. The museum is in the Cooper-Hewitt Mansion on 90th Street and 5th Avenue. I'm not sure of the family(s) involved so I can't say if Bucky's wife is a relation. I went to hear a friend, Ernie Drucker talk about maps of the Bronx and their relation to the AIDS epidemic. An interesting topic. The Dyamaxion Globe was represented along with other "alternative" maps. The general theme of the exhibit was the social impact of map design. In the past, Bucky's works have been well represented in the Cooper-Hewitt. The first exhibition which I think took place in 1976 featured a major retrospective of his work. I have never seen anything like it since. The presentation and the objects were extraordinary. > Gerry Segal Director of College Systems Bank Street College of Education New York, NY