From <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-LISTSERV@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Sun Feb 5 23:12:51 1995 Received: from netaxs.com (root@netaxs.com [198.69.186.1]) by access.netaxs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA02417 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 23:12:51 -0500 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu [128.205.2.1]) by netaxs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA01151 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 23:12:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199502060412.XAA01151@netaxs.com> Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2288; Sun, 05 Feb 95 23:12:17 EST Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5619; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 23:12:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 23:12:05 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at UBVM (1.8a)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9410" To: "Christopher J. Fearnley" Status: RO ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 00:35:59 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ross Keatinge Organization: Public Access Internet, Auckland New Zealand Subject: Re: GEO-POD Construction System I would also appreciate receiving a free manual but please let me know the cost of postage to New Zealand, I don't expect you to pay for that. Ross Keatinge INTERNET: icosa@iconz.co.nz 7/232 Mt Wellington Highway Mt Wellington Auckland 6 New Zealand ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 16:33:12 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kevin Sahr Organization: Forest Sciences Laboratory Subject: Re: Geodesic activity in Minnesota? In article <199409240526.WAA29653@teleport.com> Kirby Urner writes: >>I've heard that there is some activity going on in Minneapolis >>involving icosahedral sub-divisions of the earth. As this is something >>that we are working on as well, I wondered if anyone knew anything >>about this activity (we hate to duplicate work!). >> >>Thanks, >> >>Kevin >> > >I got a call from David Koski who lives out there. I guess the >U of M did a thing a year or so ago where kids in classrooms mailed >in their icosa segments of global data, which was applied to an >icosasphere. Segments that didn't look too good were airbrushed >with clouds. > >David found this article about how this is being done again, now >on a bigger scale. Some dude spearheading the project was claiming >to have come up with the idea of an icosahedral projection while >staring at a soccer ball in K-mart or something, no attribution >to Fuller. > ...remainder trimmed.. > I've since seen some of their literature and I'm wondering how these people can build geospheres (and make _money_ off of it) and never mention Bucky. Is the BFI aware of this effort? Don't get me wrong, I _want_ them to do what their doing, I just like to see Bucky get the credit he deserves (and which serves a useful purpose: Bucky's idea of showing what a single individual can do and all that). Kevin On the Front Lines with the Bucky Police ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 18:40:05 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: ST7743@SIUCVMB.BITNET Subject: Buckminster Fuller Centennial Celebration I have been asked by the author to post the following memorandum: MEMORANDUM TO: Whom It May Concern FROM: H.F.W. Perk RE: Initial Concept for Buckmister Fuller Centennial Celebration As a member of the Board of Directors of the Buckminster Fuller Institute, I know that plans are underway in various parts of the world to recognize Fuller's 100th birthday (July 12, 1995). As a faculty member at Southern Illinois University at Carbondale who came here upon Bucky's recommendation in 1964 I hope to initiate a major design science "festival/gala/circus/ recognition/remembrance/prognostication/charette/party" during the period July 1-24, 1995. o RETROSPECTIVE PHASE: July 1-11 will be a gathering of Fuller's friends, associates, students, and other interested persons to share in a variety of "show-and-tell" hands on, participatory, design science activities (build domes, play the World Game, participate in "Building a New World", explore synergetic geometry, make tensegrity structures, learn about buckminster- fullerene and its possibilities, explore "income energy" devices ...); o INTROSPECTIVE PHASE: July 12 will be the "birthday/memorial/ centennial global comprehensive anticipatory design party"; o PROSPECTIVE PHASE: July 13-24 will utilize the Syntegration protocol of Stafford Beer to engage 360 design scientists in planning the launch of the "World Design Decade 1995-2005", aimed at generating strategies to implement the "World Livingry Service Industry" to help achieve the conversion from "killingry to livingry" on a global scale during that decade. The proposed SIU Fuller Centennial Celebration extends over a 24 day period inn order that design science activities in each of the world's 24 time zones could be recognized (possibly via satellite telecommunication), at the rate of one time zone per day throughout this period. Bucky was born in the era of sailing ships, worked in the era of the aircraft, witnessed the birth of spaceships, and envisioned the "World Four" era of instantaneous global communication as one requiring all of us to once again become as "children at play" to learn how to cope with this strange new environment, unprecedented in human experience. (The transition from Bucky's "World One" to "World Four" has effectively shrunk the planet by a factor of one billion: humans have no prior experience with such a world, and how to make it work successfully and sustainably.) The scale of this event will require the cooperation of many persons, of whom I trust you will be one. -End of memo- All interested persons may contact Professor Perk through the Department of Community Development, Southern Illinois University, Carbondale, IL, 62901-4530; or through my electronic mail address, ST7743@SIUCVMB Bill Hall ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 02:30:00 +0300 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dagan Packman Subject: What is I-Address of FIX in Philadelphia? I am looking for the telnet site address of FIX Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Grego10067 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: I'm curious In article <9409302120.tn58723@aol.com>, SGoddard@AOL.COM writes: GEO-PODS, I will send you instructions to build small cardboard domes, of the three frequency type, simple Hexagon-Pentagon type construction. just E-Mail me your address, ........the catch is that you will have to send me a photo of your students projects when they finish, this sounds like lot's O Fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sincerely, GEO-POD Systems ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 03:37:42 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Synergetics tutorial Still extremely primitive, but I'm excited about my newfound ability to put my own web pages online. For those of you with web browsers, the www address below (signature line) will take you to my home page. Choose "local overview" of synergetics to see my first efforts. I know Fuller said something about not showing unfinished work, but then synergetics will never be "finished" -- and certainly not my webified versions of it. Anyway, I could use some help, if anyone out there can (a) draw or (b) knows a source of polyhedron GIFs. I looked in vain through all the web connections I could. Found lots of things of interest, but something so basic as nice little GIFs of polyhedra were not among them. -- Kirby ------------------------------------------------ Kirby T. Urner email: pdx4d@teleport.com (public access node) 4D Solutions www: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/index.html Portland (PDX), Oregon "All realities are virtual" -- KU ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 20:13:11 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: What is I-Address of FIX in Philadelphia?h X-cc: rich@cpp.pha.pa.us In-Reply-To: from "Dagan Packman" at Oct 2, 94 02:30:00 am Dagan Packman writes on Oct. 2: > > I am looking for the telnet site address of FIX in Philadelphia PA. > If anyone can help me... > Dagan-- FIX does not have a telnet site address, but may offer gopher. FTP and WWW in the near future, 30 to 60 days estimate. We will announce the new numbers on the Geodesic mailing list when we go online with our Internet services. In the meantime, FIX is accessible through (215) 463-7160. After logon and online registration, request a shell account on our system. With a shell account, you will be able to Usenet newsgroups and Internet Email. In preparation for becoming an Internet host, we are upgrading our modems to US Robotics 28.8k for all eight of our phone lines. --Kiyoshi Kuromiya ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 20:17:22 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: Buckminster Fuller Centennial Celebration X-cc: rich@cpp.pha.pa.us In-Reply-To: from "ST7743%SIUCVMB.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Oct 1, 94 06:40:05 pm Bill Hall memorandum: > > I have been asked by the author to post the following memorandum: > > MEMORANDUM > > TO: Whom It May Concern > > FROM: H.F.W. Perk > > RE: Initial Concept for Buckmister Fuller Centennial Celebration > > As a member of the Board of Directors of the Buckminster Fuller Institute, > I know that plans are underway in various parts of the world to recognize > Fuller's 100th birthday (July 12, 1995). As a faculty member at Southern > Illinois University at Carbondale who came here upon Bucky's recommendation > in 1964 I hope to initiate a major design science "festival/gala/circus/ > recognition/remembrance/prognostication/charette/party" during the period > July 1-24, 1995. > > o RETROSPECTIVE PHASE: July 1-11 will be a gathering of Fuller's friends, > associates, students, and other interested persons to share in a variety of > "show-and-tell" hands on, participatory, design science activities (build > domes, play the World Game, participate in "Building a New World", explore > synergetic geometry, make tensegrity structures, learn about buckminster- > fullerene and its possibilities, explore "income energy" devices ...); > > o INTROSPECTIVE PHASE: July 12 will be the "birthday/memorial/ > centennial global comprehensive anticipatory design party"; > > o PROSPECTIVE PHASE: July 13-24 will utilize the Syntegration protocol > of Stafford Beer to engage 360 design scientists in planning the launch > of the "World Design Decade 1995-2005", aimed at generating strategies > to implement the "World Livingry Service Industry" to help achieve the > conversion from "killingry to livingry" on a global scale during that > decade. > > The proposed SIU Fuller Centennial Celebration extends over a 24 day > period inn order that design science activities in each of the world's > 24 time zones could be recognized (possibly via satellite telecommunication), > at the rate of one time zone per day throughout this period. > > Bucky was born in the era of sailing ships, worked in the era of the > aircraft, witnessed the birth of spaceships, and envisioned the "World > Four" era of instantaneous global communication as one requiring all of > us to once again become as "children at play" to learn how to cope with > this strange new environment, unprecedented in human experience. (The > transition from Bucky's "World One" to "World Four" has effectively > shrunk the planet by a factor of one billion: humans have no prior > experience with such a world, and how to make it work successfully and > sustainably.) > > The scale of this event will require the cooperation of many persons, > of whom I trust you will be one. > > -End of memo- > > All interested persons may contact Professor Perk through the Department > of Community Development, Southern Illinois University, Carbondale, IL, > 62901-4530; or through my electronic mail address, ST7743@SIUCVMB > > Bill Hall > Bill-- I am thrilled that someone is doing something for Bucky's centennial. Keep me updated on the planning for the event. Thanks. --Kiyoshi Kuromiya ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 03:56:40 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Barry Tisdale Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Subject: Dome kit for sale... I have a Timberline 5/8 dome kit, connectors only (no lumber) for sale for best offer. Included are blueprints for their "Cedar" 40' dome home, sample strut cuts, all manuals, etc. Blueprints are certed by CA architect, all engineering calculations included for easy local architect sealing. The weight is around 650#, all parts will fit in 3' cube box. I'm in southeast Michigan. Further details on request. Barry (btisdale@delphi.com) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 10:58:03 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Subject: Re: Synergetics tutorial In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 2 Oct 1994 03:37:42 -0700 from On Sun, 2 Oct 1994 03:37:42 -0700 Kirby Urner said: >Still extremely primitive, but I'm excited about my newfound ability >to put my own web pages online. For those of you with web browsers, >the www address below (signature line) will take you to my home page. >Choose "local overview" of synergetics to see my first efforts. I >know Fuller said something about not showing unfinished work, but >then synergetics will never be "finished" -- and certainly not my >webified versions of it. Anyway, I could use some help, if anyone I think it's a fine line between "finished" work and "unfinished" work. In one sense Fuller never did finish his work, so perhaps, he should not have released any of his work! I think Fuller meant one should avoid "vaporware". My experience shows that releasing carefully thought out alpha work offers many advantages. Whereas the times that I tried waiting until I had "production" quality work ... well, that work is still unfinished!! And will probably never get finished as my focus keeps changing. So my interpretation of the "ethic" is to do as careful and thorough a job as possible, then release it and learn (by experience) what the best balance (vapor-alpha-beta-production quality) for you. It seems that projects whose "time is ripe" work out very, very well when alpha work is released: other people volunteer to help make the work a high- quality production. >out there can (a) draw or (b) knows a source of polyhedron GIFs. I >looked in vain through all the web connections I could. Found lots >of things of interest, but something so basic as nice little GIFs of >polyhedra were not among them. If someone hasn't done this I'd be surprised. If I was at my Linux-box, I could whip out a bunch of these in short order. Use the POV-Ray program that has been mentioned before (freeware for Macs, DOS, Linux, and other Unixes) - I don't have my refs on this machine but archie should help. > >-- Kirby >------------------------------------------------ >Kirby T. Urner email: pdx4d@teleport.com (public access node) >4D Solutions www: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/index.html >Portland (PDX), Oregon "All realities are virtual" -- KU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 03:50:08 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Another Essay >From http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/syn4.html -- a page on the World Wide Web (original has embedded links and a GIF). More Synergetic Nonsense Kirby Urner, October, 1994 The distinction between angle and frequency corresponds to the distinction between pure mind, comprised wholly of exceptionless principles (a tautology?) and the conditioned realm of fearful, struggling mortals trying to make it aboard Spaceship Earth. Fuller placed great hope in what he termed "ephemeralization" (Toynbee: etherialization), whereby the metaphysical or know-how component of cultures would overcome physical limitations to providing a healthy, happy living environment for everyone, on a sustainable basis of course. One might say our physical solutions become "raptured" as they increasingly partake of heavenly omniscience -- then again, one might not. The Euler-Gibbs dichotomy deserves some explanation. Euler's Law deals with the purely topological aspects of polyhedra, and hence qualifies as "angular" in the full-spectrum, multi-valent, synergetic sense of that word. Gibbs developed what he called his Phase Rule, which relates the number of phases of a substance present at any one time to its temperature, pressure, and number of chemical components. Fuller tried to relate Euler's Law and the Phase Rule as part of a greater, largely intuitive effort to think about the interface between metaphysical principles and the visceral world of chemical being. Thinking of language as a chemistry i.e. a tangible, multimedia energy exchange between neuronic structures, we can ask about its phases, its rigidity, fluidity, and gaseous properties. Following Norman O. Brown's cue, we might identify rigidity with literal strictness of interpretation, an enforced or taken-for-granted mono-valence in meaning characteristic of a science cut loose from its moorings in philosophy or the humanities -- or of some kinds of fundamentalist religion. At the opposite extreme is Brown's symbolic consciousness (see Love's Body), which might be likened to a gaseous state wherein we are left completely unfettered by the literal ties that bind -- to some this might suggest a mind unhinged. A fluid, coursing, narrative stream of consciousness might run somewhere in between, rounding out our phase diagram of terra firma and environs. Synergetics might be read as modeling a homeostatic autopilot-like mechanism whereby the phases of language adjust with the environment. During some cycles in human history, a major 'revaluation of values' (Nietzsche) is needed to keep pace with the momentum of events, in which times the dreamy fluidity of the collective unconscious rises like a flood to assault the bastions of conventional rationality which have contrived to pass themselves off as exempt from the eternal law that "all things must pass." Fuller's Grunch of Giants has just the fantastic, storybook-like qualities characteristic of language so unleashed. With artistic control from years of self-discipline, Fuller permits himself what the rest of us cannot, given our bodies electric and their strait-jacketing obedience to reflex. He takes on the hallowed legal concept of "the Corporation", playing on childhood fears of giants (adults), and adult paranoia about all-controlling capitalists, to give the story of David versus Goliath new meaning and urgency. How else to undermine the literal legal narrative which sustains the Inc. practice of trashing the planet now while passing liability on to the next generation? To turn over the playing field and begin new games on the back side requires letting loose, flinging the sling, sending words spinning along new trajectories, precessionally altering the contextual media matrix. This is mythmeister Fuller in his role as chief overturner. Monkeys devolved from beamed-aboard humanoids, half of which split to become dolphins and whales? What do we make of this trickster? Shall we protest? Laugh? Counter-attack? How did these outlandish ideas get published anyway, where were the reviewing peers? In the publish or perish atmosphere of academia, Fuller must be viewed as an unrepentant outlaw, peerless among pirates. And aren't outlaws beheaded? So why did President Reagan give him the Medal of Freedom? Fuller's contribution does not make much sense according to conventional wisdom (an oxymoron?) and so the easiest response is to forget about it, or to recycle the more useful inventions minus their uncomfortable associations with a bigger design. But Fuller's 'pattern integrity' does not unravel so easily. Every knot in his narrative is a hypertext link to another, and so on to give us a whole. His web of supranational networkers was and is world-around. And a giant buckyball sits like an empty signifier in the heart of Grunch's shrine. ------------------------------------------------ Kirby T. Urner email: pdx4d@teleport.com (public access node) 4D Solutions www: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ Portland (PDX), Oregon "All realities are virtual" -- KU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 18:52:34 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Re: Geodesic activity in Minnesota? >I've since seen some of their literature and I'm wondering how these >people can build geospheres (and make _money_ off of it) and never >mention Bucky. Is the BFI aware of this effort? Don't get me wrong, >I _want_ them to do what their doing, I just like to see Bucky get >the credit he deserves (and which serves a useful purpose: Bucky's >idea of showing what a single individual can do and all that). > >Kevin >On the Front Lines with the Bucky Police How they can do it is a different question as to why they would do it. Perhaps they simply did not pay too much attention to acknowledgements. In any case, it is very likely that they have the legal grounds to do what they want with many of Bucky's inventions, since many patents have no doubt long since expired. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitch C. Amiano amiano@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 21:57:06 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: IRCG Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Dialectic, Cosmos, and Society Call for Papers DIALECTIC, COSMOS, AND SOCIETY Journal Call for Papers Dialectic, Cosmos, and Society, an international, interdisciplinary journal, invites contributions from researchers in the natural and social sciences, philosophy and theology, and the arts. 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Email ircg@aol.com. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 23:26:10 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Grego10067 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Dialectic, Cosmos, and Society Call for Papers In article <3729ti$g9t@newsbf01.news.aol.com>, ircg@aol.com (IRCG) writes: Oh great!, so you want to charge 40 bucks for your magazine, and then you want to ask your readers to write it for you as well,................come on now!!!!!!! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:10:06 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Beshears Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: domes made from cardboard and fiberglass I read a book about creating shelters from cardboard and fiberglass. I actually made a miniature one from a piece of thin cardboard. This was very interesting. I am sure it would not pass local building codes but what they don't know won't hurt them. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 09:59:47 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: SGoddard@AOL.COM Subject: Great! Construction can start... Dear GEO-POD, Thank you for responding to my email. What an incredible system. We would love to sent photos of the students projects. I'll keep you posted. My address: Shannon Goddard 593 Paradise Road, Salinas, CA 93907-8738 Yours sincerely, Shannon (6th grade math/science/arts & technology teacher) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 03:51:05 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: Geodesic activity in Minnesota? X-cc: rich@cpp.pha.pa.us In-Reply-To: from "uucp" at Oct 4, 94 06:52:34 pm Dear Mitch: I was at EPCOT in Orlando, Florida, earlier today. I was attending meetings nearby. The Geosphere ride called "Spaceship Earth" was closed. The sign read: "Spaceship Earth is being refurbished for your future enjoyment." Besides lifting nearly intact Bucky Fuller's themes for this "theme" park, they feature his inventions and ideas freely around the park and even in new projects like "Innoventions" without properly crediting Bucky. At a book signing in 1982 in Beverly Hills, Bucky met Ray Bradbury for the first time. Ray Bradbury rather sheepishly admitted that he wrote the script for the Spaceship Earth ride. Bucky Fuller was not invited to attend the Grand Opening of EPCOT, although it was known to the company that Bucky was working in nearby Deland, FL during that period of time. Adding even more insult to injury, Bucky had been hired by Disney's creative department to lecture Disney artists and designers in Burbank for three days in 1977 or 78. Although Bucky was granted nearly 30 patents during his lifetime, he almost voluntarily cooperated with efforts to implement his ideas. Disney however took the ball and ran with it. Bucky was not one to resort to litigation (see Legally Piggily, in Critical Path), which does not mean his feelings were not hurt in such instances of ripoffs of creative properties. As I once proposed in 1981, if Disney conceded sales of Dymaxion Maps at EPCOT, all of Bucky's work present and future could have been funded. --Kiyoshi Kuromiya Your message of 10/4/94: > > >I've since seen some of their literature and I'm wondering how these > >people can build geospheres (and make _money_ off of it) and never > >mention Bucky. Is the BFI aware of this effort? Don't get me wrong, > >I _want_ them to do what their doing, I just like to see Bucky get > >the credit he deserves (and which serves a useful purpose: Bucky's > >idea of showing what a single individual can do and all that). > > > >Kevin > >On the Front Lines with the Bucky Police > > How they can do it is a different question as to why they would do it. > > Perhaps they simply did not pay too much attention to acknowledgements. > > In any case, it is very likely that they have the legal grounds to do > what they want with many of Bucky's inventions, since many patents have > no doubt long since expired. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mitch C. Amiano > amiano@delphi.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 09:55:54 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Sklaroff Subject: Re: domes made from cardboard and fiberglass In-Reply-To: <199410082327.AA24680@mailhub.cc.columbia.edu> On Sat, 8 Oct 1994, Beshears wrote: > I read a book about creating shelters from cardboard and fiberglass. I > actually > made a miniature one from a piece of thin cardboard. This was very > interesting. > I am sure it would not pass local building codes but what they don't > know won't > hurt them. What was the book? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 09:54:10 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Bailey Organization: Lewis and Clark College, Portland OR Subject: dome homes? I'm thinking about adding a 30' diameter dome to my house. I am planning to create three stories within the dome (the thrid floor would of course be small). My question is simple: am I nuts to want to use this kind of structure for this purpose? Jim Bailey ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 20:47:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: GIFs needed for World Wide Web pages I'm gradually putting together World Wide Web pages (some uploaded) attached to my home page, saved locally on disk space allotted to my account, which impart information about Fuller and synergetics to the world. I realize others have embarked on similar efforts and I've done my best to link to pages (either directly, or through other pages) to all those I know about. Realizing that not all of us have (a) the access or (b) the time but do have (a) scanning ability or (b) ray tracing or other picture generating tools, I am posting some of the images I would like to share with the world via the web. I have written to the Fuller Institute to find out what their policy will be vis-a-vis cyberspace usage of images over which the estate may have legitimate claim (polyhedra are obviously public domain, but handmade sketches thereof by Fuller are generally not). Any images (thumbnail GIFs, small, roughly 200 x 200 or thereabouts) that might invoke copyright issues, I will run by BFI for permission, and not use if they don't want me to. Anyway, some needed items for the Web Museum: Synergetics: A & B mods rhombic triaconta showing E mod (tetrahedral section) Two rhombic dodecas with inscribed spheres "kissing" at diamond face ctrs 8 packed wire frame VEs with octahedral void outlined in other color Inventions: EPCOT "buckyball" (yes, the Disney one in particular) Montreal Dome TIME Magazine cover (reduced size) Dymaxion Car Dymaxion House Kirby ------------------------------------------------ Kirby T. Urner email: pdx4d@teleport.com (public access node) 4D Solutions www: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ Portland (PDX), Oregon "All realities are virtual" -- KU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 07:52:02 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: GIFs needed for World Wide Web pages X-cc: rich@cpp.pha.pa.us In-Reply-To: from "Kirby Urner" at Oct 9, 94 08:47:21 pm On October 9th, Kirby Urner wrote: > > I'm gradually putting together World Wide Web pages (some uploaded) > attached to my home page, saved locally on disk space allotted to my > account, which impart information about Fuller and synergetics to the > world. I realize others have embarked on similar efforts and I've > done my best to link to pages (either directly, or through other pages) > to all those I know about. > > Realizing that not all of us have (a) the access or (b) the time but > do have (a) scanning ability or (b) ray tracing or other picture > generating tools, I am posting some of the images I would like to > share with the world via the web. > > I have written to the Fuller Institute to find out what their policy > will be vis-a-vis cyberspace usage of images over which the estate > may have legitimate claim (polyhedra are obviously public domain, > but handmade sketches thereof by Fuller are generally not). Any > images (thumbnail GIFs, small, roughly 200 x 200 or thereabouts) > that might invoke copyright issues, I will run by BFI for permission, > and not use if they don't want me to. > > Anyway, some needed items for the Web Museum: > > Synergetics: > A & B mods > rhombic triaconta showing E mod (tetrahedral section) > Two rhombic dodecas with inscribed spheres "kissing" at diamond face ctrs > 8 packed wire frame VEs with octahedral void outlined in other color > > Inventions: > EPCOT "buckyball" (yes, the Disney one in particular) > Montreal Dome > TIME Magazine cover (reduced size) > Dymaxion Car > Dymaxion House > > Kirby > My reply: Kirby-- I may be able to help you locate some of the drawings and other pictures you mention in your posting. I still have several filing cabinets of RBF typescripts, etc., which have yet to be sorted, cataloged, and returned to the Buckminster Fuller Institute. Critical Path was just awarded a highly competitive purchase order grant from the National Library of Medicine. It is the last major piece of our complement of grants which will give us Internet host capabilities. We hope to implement World Wide Web and WAIS in the next 60 days, with our $10,000 contract. We have just installed 8 phone lines and are undergoing an upgrade of all eight of our 14.4 modems to a new standard of 28.8 (US Robotics). We also purchase an intelligent 8-port Digiboard and a Cisco router this month, and we negotiate a contract with PrepNet, our Internet service provider. There is much work to do on our Internet gateway but when we are fully implemented by the end of the year we should have the capability of serving as a state-of-the-art repository of such databases as the one you describe in your posting. --Kiyoshi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 12:10:02 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dome Fan Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: dome homes? In article <37977i$nc9@sun.lclark.edu>, bailey@sun.lclark.edu (James Bailey) writes: > I'm thinking about adding a 30' diameter dome to my house. I am >planning to create three stories within the dome (the thrid floor would of >course be small). My question is simple: am I nuts to want to use this >kind of structure for this purpose? Jim, Using a geodesic dome as an addition to your house makes a lot of sense. As you have already surmised, adding a 3rd floor will not provide much room to a 30' dome. One option that I have seen is using a cupola with a floor for the third floor viewing area. This provides 360 degree views and does not take up much room. Timberline Geodesics offers a 30' 5/8 sphere that would offere enough height and room for the cupola. In addition, their cupola design is the best around. You can give them a call at 1-800-DOME-HOME or: Timberline Geodesics 2015 Blake Street Berkeley, CA 94704 Ph: 510-849-4481 Fax: 510-849-3265 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 16:04:29 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: SteveW7562@AOL.COM Subject: Syntegration Protocol Could someone explain what Stafford Beer's Syntegration Protocol is? It's referred to by Prof. Perk in his Fuller Centennial memo. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 12:54:46 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Adam David Organization: Veda Systems, Iceland Subject: tensegrity bicycle? I was wondering what the lightest strongest structure and materials would be for building a bicycle or other light human-powered craft. Suggestions? -- Adam David ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 15:04:32 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Robert L. Read" Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Subject: Re: tensegrity bicycle? I suggest you look at the "Gossamer Albatross", an airplane powered only by an extremely althletic human being, that came within yards of completing the mythical flight of Daedalus, over some very large stretch of the Mediterranean. I believe a starting place would be National Geographic, which had an article on it, I don't know when, or the normal library approach. I believe this craft used honycombed paper, some kind of platic sheating, (steel?) cables, and either some kind of expensive and light wood or aluminum. The idea of building a tensegrity bicycle sounds like a wonderful project; are you aware of the solar bicycle prototypes and high-speed bicycles that tend to use a reclining postion and completely encompassing cowlings to reduce aero-drag? Best wishes. -- Robert L. Read, Member of the League for Programming Freedom ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 20:11:30 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: BTISDALE@DELPHI.COM Subject: Dome for sale. I have a Timberline 5/8 dome kit, connectors only (no lumber) for sale for best offer. Included are blueprints for their "Cedar" 40' dome home, sample strut cuts, all manuals, etc. Blueprints are certed by CA architect, all engineering calculations included for easy local architect sealing. The weight is 700#, all parts will fit in 3' cube box. I'm in southeast Michigan; shipping was $360.00 from CA 2 yrs ago. I also have the Cutting plans w/ engineering calcs, that were $225. The floor plans, sealed by an architect in CA were $225. I paid $3840.00 for the connectors; as they're no longer available as a separate item, that's probably a fair price again today. I couldn't see paying someone else (i.e., Timberline) to select the lumber, cut it and then ship it 3000 miles. For liability reasons, they stopped selling 'connector only' kits soon after I purchased the kit. The whole package for $3840.00, shipping COD. I also have very detailed floorplans compatible with Draft Choice of a floorplan of my own design, with a 2 car garage under an extension. My advice would be to get all the specs and prices from Timberline (or someone else) and get familiar with what you want to do. The reason I didn't wind up building here had _nothing_ to do with the dome kit. My place of employ is slowly going under & its necessary to relocate under different circumstances than originally planned. Any other info cheerfully supplied. BTW, you should look firsthand at some owner-built domes; list of owners from Timberline. Barry ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 23:34:03 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Grego10067 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Cardboard Domes YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD!, Yes carsboard is a great material to construct geodesic domes with, and you can coat it with many different substances to make it weatherproof. some uses are third world countries that can not afford wood structures, as well as homeless shelters in this country, and camping structures for the rest of us, Keep up the good work!...... GEO-POD Systems ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:27:28 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: tensegrity bicycle? X-cc: rich@cpp.pha.pa.us In-Reply-To: from "Robert L. Read" at Oct 11, 94 03:04:32 pm Robert Read wrote: > > I suggest you look at the "Gossamer Albatross", an > airplane powered only by an extremely althletic human > being, that came within yards of completing the > mythical flight of Daedalus, over some very > large stretch of the Mediterranean. > > I believe a starting place would be National Geographic, > which had an article on it, I don't know when, or > the normal library approach. > > I believe this craft used honycombed paper, some > kind of platic sheating, (steel?) cables, and > either some kind of expensive and light wood or > aluminum. > > The idea of building a tensegrity bicycle sounds > like a wonderful project; are you aware of the > solar bicycle prototypes and high-speed bicycles that > tend to use a reclining postion and completely > encompassing cowlings to reduce aero-drag. Robert-- The Gossamer Albatross frame was constructed largely of carbon fiber, and other state-of-the-art high-strength, low weight materials. It had a 90-foot wingspan and yet was light enough (40#) to be lifted by one person with one arm. The bicycle wheel is already a tensegrity design and many competition racing bicycles use carbon fiber frames. With the advancement of materials science, we could conceivable see buckytubes used as high-strength cables in a second or third generation Gossamer Albatross. --Kiyoshi Kuromiya ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 11:53:20 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bill Long Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA Subject: Re: tensegrity bicycle? >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 15:04:32 -0500 >From: "Robert L. Read" >Subject: RE: tensegrity bicycle? >Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin > >I suggest you look at the "Gossamer Albatross", an >airplane powered only by an extremely althletic human >being, that came within yards of completing the >mythical flight of Daedalus, over some very >large stretch of the Mediterranean. I'm not sure but I think you have your human-powered aircraft mixed up. This is off the top of my head , so I may not have the numbers quite right. The Gossamer Albatross did complete the first human-powered flight over the English Channel, a distance of about 19-20km. It's sister craft, the "Condor", which holds the distinction of being the plane that won the Kremer prize for flying a figure-8 around two pylons a half mile apart, is hanging at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in Washington, D.C. Both were designed by Dr. Paul MacCready, who also designed the first successful solar-powered airplane...the "Gossamer Penguin". MacCready described the Condor as consisting of six sticks with 72 piano wires that connected everything to everything else. The human-powered airplane that made the Mediterranean crossing (from the Greek mainland to an island?) was actually named the "Daedalus", after the mythical figure. I can't recall who designed it but the length of the flight was something like 70km (at least I think it was around 43 miles), an ended with a water landing just shy of the shore. As far as I know, this is still the record distance for a human-powered flight. I hope I got the facts right, or at least close...if not I welcome corrections. Bill Long >-- StarGazer longwj@137.142.18.1 longwj@snyplava.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 14:09:11 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bill Long Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA Subject: Re: tensegrity bicycle? >Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 11:53:20 -0500 >From: Bill Long >Subject: RE: tensegrity bicycle? >Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA > >The human-powered airplane that made the Mediterranean crossing (from the >Greek mainland to an island?) was actually named the "Daedalus", after the >mythical figure. I can't recall who designed it but the length of the >flight was something like 70km (at least I think it was around 43 miles), >an ended with a water landing just shy of the shore. As far as I know, >this is still the record distance for a human-powered flight. > >I hope I got the facts right, or at least close...if not I welcome >corrections. Well a quick trip to the library has netted some more acurate info. The "Daedalus 88" made its flight on April 23, 1988 from Crete to an island called Santorini. The total distance was 116.6km (72.4 mi.), duration of 3 hours and 55 minutes, and crash-landing was 30 yards from Perissa Beach due to a gust breaking one of the wings. It was designed and built by a team of engineers and students from MIT which was headed up by John S. Langford. The team worked on several aircraft leading up to the Daedalus...the BURD, Chrysalis, Monarch, and the Michelob Light Eagle, which of these is closest to the Daedalus design and set records for human-powered flight in 1987. The Eagle also was(is?) displayed at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum. It is NOT a tensegrity type frame as is the case with the Gossamer Condor and Albatross. Bill Long >-- StarGazer longwj@137.142.18.1 longwj@snyplava.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 20:41:41 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Edward H Campbell Subject: buckminster fuller i am interested in hearing about your group. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 12:52:43 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Adam David Organization: Veda Systems, Iceland Subject: Re: tensegrity bicycle? Robert Read wrote: > The idea of building a tensegrity bicycle sounds > like a wonderful project; are you aware of the > solar bicycle prototypes and high-speed bicycles that > tend to use a reclining postion and completely > encompassing cowlings to reduce aero-drag. I see a kind of totally enclosed frame, probably with more than 2 wheels to minimise the effect of sidewinds on a totally faired structure. I still have problems visualising the actual structure of the frame, but more wires and fewer tubes obviously makes for a lighter frame. -- Adam David ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 00:09:40 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kevin Sahr Organization: Forest Sciences Laboratory Subject: Q: Copyright on Dymaxion Map? I am aware that the Buckminster Fuller Institute has a copyright on Fuller's Dymaxion Air-Ocean map. I am also aware of (and have seen) Fuller's original patent on the map projection used. I was wondering, does anyone know exactly what BFI's copyright covers? Does it cover just reproduction of images produced by BFI? Does it limit the ability of others to make there own versions of Bucky's map using their own facilities? Thanks! Kevin ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:26:09 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Q: Copyright on Dymaxion Map? >I am aware that the Buckminster Fuller Institute has a copyright >on Fuller's Dymaxion Air-Ocean map. I am also aware of (and have >seen) Fuller's original patent on the map projection used. > >I was wondering, does anyone know exactly what BFI's copyright >covers? Does it cover just reproduction of images produced by >BFI? Does it limit the ability of others to make there own >versions of Bucky's map using their own facilities? > >Thanks! > >Kevin > > I don't know if anyone knows. Tony @ BFI is circulating my request to BFI to put Dymaxion Projection on the Web. Promises to get back to me within weeks. Kirby ------------------------------------------------ Kirby T. Urner email: pdx4d@teleport.com (public access node) 4D Solutions www: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ Portland (PDX), Oregon "All realities are virtual" -- KU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 09:54:17 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FULLER'S GRAND GEODESIC STRATEGY A GRAND STRATEGY TO SOLVE GLOBAL PROBLEMS: A SUMMARY OF THE IDEAS OF R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER BY JOE S. MOORE THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF MAN THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ENOUGH TO GO AROUND FOR EVERYONE---THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN SCARCITY. THEREFORE, THE BASIC PROBLEM WAS: WHO GETS WHAT? WHO SURVIVES AND WHO DOESN'T? EVERY SOCIETY HAS HAD A DIFFERENT SYSTEM FOR DECIDING THAT QUESTION, AND WHICH GROUP SURVIVED WAS USUALLY DECIDED BY WAR! BUT JUST BECAUSE IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE THAT WAY IN THE FUTURE. JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS SCARCITY IN THE PAST, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE HAS TO BE SCARCITY IN THE FUTURE? NO! MANKIND NOW HAS ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO INVENT OUR WAY INTO A FUTURE OF PLENTY. WE ARE JUST NOT AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE NOW HAVE THAT POSSIBILITY. ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEERS, THE WORLD'S INDUSTRIAL SYSTEM IS NOW OPERATING AT ONLY ABOUT FOUR PERCENT EFFICIENCY, BUT IT COULD EASILY BE IMPROVED TO AN AVERAGE OF TWELVE PERCENT. IN OTHER WORDS, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS START USING ALREADY EXISTING INVENTIONS AND STOP BEING SO WASTEFUL! OK. THAT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT HAVING TWO OR THREE TIMES AS MUCH WEALTH WOULD NOT DO MUCH GOOD IF THE WORLD'S POPULATION KEEPS GROWING. LUCKLY, IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT AS INDUSTRIALIZATION INCREASES, THE GLOBAL BIRTH RATE DECREASES. AS THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY PER PERSON INCREASES, THE BIRTH RATE DECREASES, SO THAT IF THE WORLD IS COMPLETELY INDUSTRIALIZED BY ABOUT THE YEAR 2010, THE TOTAL POPULATION SHOULD PEAK AT ABOUT 6 BILLION AND THEN START DECLINING. THEREFORE, IF WE ONLY DOUBLE THE AVERAGE EFFICIENCY WE COULD EASILY TAKE CARE OF THE WORLD'S PRESENT ONE BILLION POOR (THE OTHER FOUR BILLION ARE ALREADY "MAKING IT" NOW). AND IF WE TRIPLE THE EFFICIENCY WE COULD NOT ONLY TAKE CARE OF ANY FUTURE POPULATION GROWTH, BUT DRAMATICALLY RAISE EVERYONE'S STANDARD OF LIVING. (THE FIGURES THAT I HAVE USED ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE. THE EFFICIENCY COULD PROBABLY BE RAISED MUCH HIGHER, COMPLETE INDUSTRIALIZATION COULD BE ACHIEVED MUCH FASTER, AND POPULATION GROWTH SLOWED DOWN MUCH FASTER. IT IS BETTER TO UNDERSTATE THAN OVERSTATE.) SO, WE ARE NOT ON A TREADMILL; THERE IS A WAY OUT. THERE IS A PRACTICAL STRATEGY. HOW, SPECIFICALLY, CAN WE RAISE THE EFFICIENCY? HOW CAN WE GET MORE ENERGY, USE LESS MATERIALS, AND USE LESS TIME TO PROVIDE FOR OUR BASIC NEEDS? WHAT DO WE NEED? LOTS OF RENEWABLE ENERGY, PLENTY OF FOOD, DECENT INEXPENSIVE HOUSING, MEDICAL CARE, EDUCATION, TRANSPORTATION, AND COMMUNICATION TO NAME THE BASICS. ENERGY FIRST: WE NEED TO DEVELOP ABOUT A DOZEN TYPES OF RENEWABLE SOURCES OF ENERGY AND WE NEED TO DEVELOP WAYS OF DISTRIBUTING THAT ENERGY. WE NOW HAVE THE KNOW-HOW TO CONNECT TOGETHER ALL THE WORLD'S ELECTRICAL GENERATING PLANTS. THAT ONE PROJECT WOULD ALMOST DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY AVAILABLE IN THE WORLD BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MOST GENERATING PLANTS RUN AT ABOUT HALF CAPACITY AND USE THE OTHER HALF FOR PEAK DEMAND ONLY. BY INTERCONNECTING THEY COULD ALL SWAP POWER (ESPECIALLY BETWEEN THE LIGHT AND DARK SIDES OF THE EARTH) AND THEREFORE BE RUN AT ALMOST PEAK CAPACITY MOST OF THE TIME--- WITHOUT BUILDING ANY NEW GENERATING PLANTS. WE MUST ALSO PHASE IN ALL THE VARIOUS TYPES OF RENEWABLE ENERGY AS THE FOSSEL FUELS START TO RUN OUT. THERE ARE PLENTY OF ALTERNATIVES TO CHOOSE FROM: SOLAR, WIND, HYDROELECTRIC, BIOMASS, ALCOHOL, GEOTHERMAL, TIDES, PHOTOVOLTAIC, HYDROGEN, WAVES, ETC. ALL THESE ALTERNATIVES, WHEN FULLY DEVELOPED, WOULD NOT ONLY REPLACE THE NON-RENEWABLE, POLLUTING, AND DANGEROUS SOURCES, BUT GIVE US THREE TIMES AS MUCH ENERGY AS WE HAVE NOW (NOT COUNTING THE GAINS THROUGH INTERCONNECTING). SO WE CAN HAVE PLENTY OF ENERGY IF WE WANT IT. THERE IS NO ENERGY SHORTAGE! THERE IS JUST A SHORTAGE OF AWARENESS OF WHAT IS NOW POSSIBLE. THE CRISIS IS A CRISIS OF IGNORANCE. NOW, WHAT IS THE STORY FOR FOOD? MUCH THE SAME. WE PRODUCE MORE THAN ENOUGH FOOD FOR EVERYONE, BUT MUCH OF IT ROTS OR IS EATEN BY RODENTS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MEANS OF STORING, PRESERVING, AND TRANSPORTING IT. BUT, WITH ADEQUATE ENERGY WE COULD GROW, PRESERVE, AND DISTRIBUTE PLENTY OF FOOD FOR EVERYONE. IN FACT, IF NEEDED, WE COULD PROBABLY GROW TWO OR THREE TIMES AS MUCH AS WE DO NOW. AND SO, IF WE SOLVE THE ENERGY AND FOOD PROBLEMS, HOW DO WE PROVIDE GOOD, INEXPENSIVE HOUSING FOR EVERYONE? SIMPLE. SHELTER PEOPLE IN MASS-PRODUCED, SELF-CONTAINED, SURPLUS-ENERGY-PRODUCING GEODESIC DOME HOMES WHICH WOULD BE HELICOPTER-DELIVERED TO ANYWHERE FOR A TENTH THE COST OF CONVENTIONAL HOUSES. A GEODESIC SPHERE IS THE LIGHTEST, STRONGEST, AND CHEAPEST WAY OF ENCLOSING SPACE EVER INVENTED. DOMES CAN NOT ONLY HOUSE INDIVIDUAL FAMILIES, BUT THEY COULD COVER WHOLE CITIES---AND EVEN FLOAT IN THE AIR OR BE ANCHORED ON OR UNDER THE OCEANS. DOMED CITIES USE ABOUT 1/90TH THE ENERGY OF UNCOVERED CITIES, AND HAVE PERFECT CLIMATES ALL YEAR ROUND---NO MATTER WHAT THE OUTSIDE CLIMATE. SO, IF PEOPLE HAVE ADEQUATE FOOD, ENERGY, SHELTER, ETC., THEY ARE BOUND TO BE HEALTHIER. THE EASIEST WAY TO CONTROL DISEASE IS TO ELIMINATE ITS CAUSES, SUCH AS MALNUTRITION, BAD WATER, EXPOSURE, VERMIN, ETC. AS FAR AS TRANSPORTATION IS CONCERNED, WE NEED TO MASS-PRODUCE ALREADY- INVENTED DUCTED-FAN AIR CARS THAT CAN GO ON ROADS OR RISE VERTICALLY ON JETS OF AIR. THIS WOULD ALLOW PERSONAL TRANSPORTATION JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE WITHOUT ROADS. ALSO, WE NEED TO DEVELOP PERSONAL, MODULAR TRANSPORTATION PODS WHICH COULD GO ON ROADS, BE HOOKED TOGETHER IN GROUPS, BE LOADED ONTO TRUCKS, TRAINS AND BOATS, OR PUT INTO AIRPLANES FOR TRANSPORT ANYWHERE, WITH THE WHOLE GLOBAL SYSTEM SCHEDULED BY COMPUTER. DEVELOPMENT OF WIRELESS, SATELLITE RELAYED, TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS WILL ENABLE GREAT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE TO WORK AT HOME, WHEREVER THAT MAY BE IN THE WORLD, THUS CUTTING DOWN ON THE EXPENSE OF COMMUTING TO THE OFFICE. ALSO, EDUCATION WILL RETURN TO THE HOME BECAUSE STUDENTS WILL HAVE TWO-WAY MULTIMEDIA ACCESS TO ALL THE INFORMATION BANKS OF THE WORLD. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CALL UP THE BEST AND LATEST INFORMATION PRESENTED BY THE BEST TEACHERS IN THE WORLD. TWO-WAY VOICE, DATA AND FAX WILL ALSO BE TRANSMITTED BY SATELLITE, THUS CUTTING DOWN ON THE USE OF ENERGY AND MATERIALS AND SPEEDING UP THE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS AND INFORMATION. ALL THIS VAST INCREASE IN WEALTH AND DECREASE IN WASTE (TIME, ENERGY, MATERIALS) WILL MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A MINIMUM LEVEL OF GUARANTEED ANNUAL INCOME FOR ALL WHICH SHOULD GRADUALLY INCREASE WITH TIME. PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO WORK LESS AND LESS AND WILL HAVE MORE AND MORE TIME TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT---STUDY, FISH, TRAVEL, THINK, ETC. ALSO, THE FEAR OF NOT HAVING THE BASIC NECESSITIES OF LIFE WILL BE GONE, AND THAT SHOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF WORRY, STRESS-CAUSED ILLNESSES, AND CRIME. BUT MOST OF ALL, IF PEOPLE NO LONGER HAVE TO FIGHT EACH OTHER OVER LIMITED RESOURCES, THEN THE BASIC REASON FOR WAR WILL BE GONE AND WAR WILL BECOME OBSOLETE. THE OLDEST DREAMS OF MANKIND---PEACE, PROSPERITY---WILL HAVE COME TRUE. PEOPLE LIVING NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, PRIVILEGE, AND RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP TO MAKE ALL THESE THINGS COME TRUE. ALL OF HUMANITY HAS STRUGGLED, DREAMED, HOPED, WORKED, AND PRAYED FOR THIS MOMENT IN HISTORY. IT IS UP TO US TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. CAPITOLA, CALIFORNIA, USA OCTOBER 19, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com 408-464-3743 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:18:19 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Nardi, Thomas" Subject: Re: FULLER'S GRAND GEODESIC STRATEGY In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of WED 19 OCT 1994 12:54:17 EDT > > OK. THAT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT HAVING TWO OR THREE TIMES AS MUCH WEALTH > >WOULD NOT DO MUCH GOOD IF THE WORLD'S POPULATION KEEPS GROWING. LUCKLY, IT > >JUST SO HAPPENS THAT AS INDUSTRIALIZATION INCREASES, THE GLOBAL BIRTH RATE > >DECREASES. AS THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY PER PERSON INCREASES, THE BIRTH RATE > >DECREASES, SO THAT IF THE WORLD IS COMPLETELY INDUSTRIALIZED BY ABOUT THE > >YEAR 2010, THE TOTAL POPULATION SHOULD PEAK AT ABOUT 6 BILLION AND THEN START > >DECLINING. D > Can someone explain why the birthrate goes down? Is there a copy of Geodesic FAQ's going around. I would appreciate it if it was posted or sent to me. Thanks Tom Nardi "KVBR@MARISTB" or "KVBR@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:42:22 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: Q: Copyright on Dymaxion Map? X-cc: rich@cpp.pha.pa.us In-Reply-To: from "Kevin Sahr" at Oct 19, 94 00:09:40 am Kevin: The Dymaxion Map patent (US Pat 2,393,676) is reproduced on pages 85-94 of Inventions: The Patented Works of R. Buckminster Fuller (St. Martin's Press, 1983). Both the projection method and the actual map were patented in 1946, with an update in 1954. As one of his last acts, RBF granted permission for Medard Gabel of the World Game to use the Dymaxion map in their work. At about that time, another issue was the fact that the patent was lapsing anyway. You should be able to get more information on the map's current status from BFI. They should also be able to supply you with a copy of the patent. If that is not possible, you can write the US Patent Office, or send me email and I will photocopy the patent and send it to you. Kiyoshi Kuromiya Forwarded message begins here: > > I am aware that the Buckminster Fuller Institute has a copyright > on Fuller's Dymaxion Air-Ocean map. I am also aware of (and have > seen) Fuller's original patent on the map projection used. > > I was wondering, does anyone know exactly what BFI's copyright > covers? Does it cover just reproduction of images produced by > BFI? Does it limit the ability of others to make there own > versions of Bucky's map using their own facilities? > > Thanks! > > Kevin > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 16:36:13 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Clayton Weir Subject: Re: Help with unsubscribing In-Reply-To: <9407151618.AA00822@ospi.wednet.edu> Many thanks for all of the information which you have provided over the past few months. At this time, however, my students no longer have need for information on geodesic domes. Please UNSUBSCRIBE us, effective this date. Again many thanks, Clayton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:06:36 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: FULLER'S GRAND GEODESIC STRATEGY In-Reply-To: <9410191649.aa28689@cruzio.cruzio.com>; from "Nardi, Thomas" at Oct 19, 94 5:18 pm In my 24 years of studying Fuller, I have never been able to find a detailed study as to WHY the global birth rate declines as the energy per capita increases. Might be a good project for someone. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com 408-464-3743 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:13:45 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: FULLER'S GRAND GEODESIC STRATEGY >> >>LUCKLY, IT >>JUST SO HAPPENS THAT AS INDUSTRIALIZATION INCREASES, THE GLOBAL BIRTH RATE >>DECREASES. D >> >Can someone explain why the birthrate goes down? Is there a copy of >Geodesic FAQ's going around. I would appreciate it if it was posted >or sent to me. > > >Thanks >Tom Nardi "KVBR@MARISTB" or "KVBR@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU" > But an hour ago, I was in a large auditorium listening to Carl Sagan talk about just this subject, without reference to Fuller of course. He cast it as close to a law of nature that once income per capita (in dollar terms, vs Fuller's kilo-watts) exceeds a minimum threshold (he said USD 500, I guess he meant per annum), that the birth rate drops dramatically. The poorest have the most kids because it makes economic sense owing to (a) high infant mortality and (b) the economics of a family struggling on its own -- more kids are a help, generally. But when it comes to higher income brackets, sights are set on (a) high level schooling for kids and (b) a possible career for the woman plus (c) the possibility of personal savings makes it less likely that the kids will be the sole source of support in old age. Not that we need Carl Sagan to tell us this. He did point out that in societies where women have little say or clout, the rising of incomes had no direct impact on birth rats. ------------------------------------------------ Kirby T. Urner email: pdx4d@teleport.com (public access node) 4D Solutions www: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ Portland (PDX), Oregon "All realities are virtual" -- KU ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 07:46:17 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FULLER'S ULTRA-MICRO COMPUTER AN ULTRA-MICRO COMPUTER BY JOE S. MOORE R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER PROPOSED A DESIGN FOR THE ULTIMATE (SMALLEST AND FASTEST) MICRO COMPUTER. A LOW VOLTAGE AC CARRIER OF A GIVEN FREQUENCY (LIGHT?) FED TO THE CENTRAL ATOM (RADIO TRANSMITTER ANTENNA) OF A CLUSTER OF IDENTICAL ATOMS (DIAMOND?) WILL GENERATE A SPHERICAL WAVE OF ENERGY WHICH WILL TRAVEL OUTWARD UNTIL IT RESONATES WITH THE LAYER OF ATOMS CORRESPONDING TO THE INPUT FREQUENCY. A MODULATING FREQUENCY MAY THEN BE TUNED TO INDIVIDUAL ATOMS IN THAT LAYER. VARIATIONS OF THE VERY LOW AC CURRENT WILL PERMIT ADDRESSING FOUR DIFFERENT SETS OF ELECTRONS PER ATOM. VARIATIONS OF VOLTAGE WOULD REPRESENT ZEROS & ONES. THE SAME PROCEDURE APPLIED TO THE POLES OF THAT CLUSTER OF ATOMS WOULD EXTRACT ANY STORED ENERGY (INFORMATION). THE NUMBER OF ATOMS PER SHELL MAY BE CALCULATED BY USING THE FORMULA: N = 10 (FREQUENCY SQUARED) + 2. A FLATTENED-OUT (UNFOLDED) VECTOR EQUILIBRIUM OR REGULAR TETRAHEDRON MAY BE USED TO MAP EACH SHELL (LAYER) OF ATOMS. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION SEE: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'SYNERGETICS' 1975 BY R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER PAGES 148-51, 167-71, 670-1 & 807 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'SYNERGETICS 2' 1979 BY R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER PAGES 98, 383-5, 453-9 & PLATE 11 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CAPITOLA, CALIFORNIA, USA OCTOBER 20, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com 408-464-3743 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:58:28 EST/EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: DAMICO@GELMAN.CIRC.GWU.EDU Subject: Re: FULLER'S GRAND GEODESIC STRATEGY [snip..] > He > did point out that in societies where women have little say or clout, the > rising of incomes had no direct impact on birth rats. Those little rodents just keep getting born. Funny how a single letter changes the entire meaning of a sentence. > > ------------------------------------------------ > Kirby T. Urner email: pdx4d@teleport.com (public access node) > 4D Solutions www: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ > Portland (PDX), Oregon "All realities are virtual" -- KU > "Just call me Trimtab" {~~~| R. Buckminster Fuller ~~~| _______ | / \ | BDAMICO@GWUVM.GWU.EDU ___________/__________\______|_____ \ Trimtab: A tiny gear / Blaine A. D'Amico |\ which moves the rudder / Systems Specialist ~~~~~~ |__\ that turns great ships / ~~~~~ Design Science Revolutionary --------------------- Comprehensive Generalist ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:38:06 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Suzanne LaRocca Subject: I Seem To Be A Verb? In the early 1970's I came across a book written (or co-authored) by Buckminster Fuller called "I Seem to be a Verb". It was a paperback with a black and silver cover. One unique feature of the book was that it could be read three ways: the top half of the pages were read as an ordinary text; the bottom half of the pages were printed upside down and read from the back of the book to the front; through the middle of each page ran a continuous sentence that ran the length of the book. Art work was also included among text,collage-style. Sounds cool, yes? I haven't seen this book since about 1973 when I was 14. Was it all a dream? Can anybody help me find it? If so, E-mail me. I am Goodsculpt. Thanks ever so. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:16:55 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: I Seem To Be A Verb? >In the early 1970's I came across a book written (or co-authored) by >Buckminster Fuller called "I Seem to be a Verb". It was a paperback with a >black and silver cover. One unique feature of the book was that it could be >read three ways: the top half of the pages were read as an ordinary text; the >bottom half of the pages were printed upside down and read from the back of >the book to the front; through the middle of each page ran a continuous >sentence that ran the length of the book. Art work was also included among >text,collage-style. >Sounds cool, yes? I haven't seen this book since about 1973 when I was 14. >Was it all a dream? Can anybody help me find it? If so, E-mail me. I am >Goodsculpt. Thanks ever so. > Not a dream of course. I had a prized copy for a long time, but its binding gradually came loose and it disintegrated. If you enjoy book hunting, this would be a fine excuse for a Quest. Intuition is another hard-to-find. A book similar to I Seem to Be a Verb is Blast (one cover), Counter-Blast (the other cover). Kirby ------------------------------------------------ Kirby T. Urner email: pdx4d@teleport.com (public access node) 4D Solutions www: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ Portland (PDX), Oregon "All realities are virtual" -- KU ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 00:28:38 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Subject: Re: FULLER'S GRAND GEODESIC STRATEGY In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:18:19 EDT from On Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:18:19 EDT Nardi, Thomas said: >> >Can someone explain why the birthrate goes down? Is there a copy of >Geodesic FAQ's going around. I would appreciate it if it was posted >or sent to me. > I think the birthrate figures are tied into the standard of living of women which tends to come with economic health. See _Critical Path_ for some graphs. I have updated the FAQ through August posting. Problem with my FAQ is it's more a summary of old GEODESIC conversations. Good reading, but not yet distilled enough. Until I have a chance to spell check, and "clean" up the new version [In my dreams I think of breaking it up into separate sections: Domes, Synergetics, Who was Fuller (for those who don't know), etc,], you can get a copy of the last released FAQ by ftp from switchboard.ftp.com or from the listserv archives. If you really want the latest version, you can call me and I'll give dial-in instructions to my Linux-box here in Philly and you can dl it from my ~/fuller-faq directory. (Trust me it's not worth the long distance phone call :) Do enjoy! > >Thanks >Tom Nardi "KVBR@MARISTB" or "KVBR@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU" -- Christopher J. Fearnley | UNIX SIG Leader at PACS cfearnl@pacs.pha.pa.us | (Philadelphia Area Computer Society) fearnlcj@duvm.bitnet | Design Science Revolutionary fearnlcj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu | Explorer in Universe 503 S 44th ST | Linux Advocate Philadelphia PA 1914-3907 | (215)349-9681 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 09:52:17 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kevin Sahr Organization: Forest Sciences Laboratory Subject: Re: Q: Copyright on Dymaxion Map? In article Kiyoshi Kuromiya writes: >Kevin: > The Dymaxion Map patent (US Pat 2,393,676) is reproduced on pages 85-94 of >Inventions: The Patented Works of R. Buckminster Fuller (St. Martin's Press, >1983). Both the projection method and the actual map were patented in 1946, >with an update in 1954. As one of his last acts, RBF granted permission for >Medard Gabel of the World Game to use the Dymaxion map in their work. At >about that time, another issue was the fact that the patent was lapsing >anyway. You should be able to get more information on the map's current >status from BFI. They should also be able to supply you with a copy of the >patent. If that is not possible, you can write the US Patent Office, or send >me email and I will photocopy the patent and send it to you. > >Kiyoshi Kuromiya Thanks Kiyoshi. I do have a copy of the patent, but even if it were still current I'm not sure how binding it would be, since the patented version is a sub-divided cuboctahedron (as opposed to an icosahedron) and, as I think we discussed before, there are some problems with the method in the patent. The BFI seems uncertain as to the nature of the copyright they hold. What has prompted this inquiry, by the way, is the recent very disapointing interaction I have had with BFI over potential use of the dymaxion map. It is my current belief that the BFI is doing more to hinder the dissemination of Bucky's ideas than to facilitate them. In this case, I am afraid the basic concepts of the dymaxion map are going to shortly become national news, but not a single mention of Bucky will be made. As far as I can tell BFI is pretty much solely to blame for this sorry state of affairs. I am, to say the least, both very saddened and very angered by this. >Forwarded message begins here: >> >> I am aware that the Buckminster Fuller Institute has a copyright >> on Fuller's Dymaxion Air-Ocean map. I am also aware of (and have >> seen) Fuller's original patent on the map projection used. >> >> I was wondering, does anyone know exactly what BFI's copyright >> covers? Does it cover just reproduction of images produced by >> BFI? Does it limit the ability of others to make there own >> versions of Bucky's map using their own facilities? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Kevin >> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 09:56:42 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brien Subject: Re: I Seem To Be A Verb? In-Reply-To: <199410210130.VAA01355@mail.uncc.edu> There is a bookstore in Cincinnati Ohio called Ohio Books that has a copy of _I seem to be a verb_ . I saw it about two week ago while at a Precision Engineering Conference. The price was about $2.00 and it was in good condition. The area code for Cincinnati is 513 and I'm sure information can get you the number of Ohio Books. Good Luck ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 23:20:35 JST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Andreas Schneider i am looking for mac- software to construct geodesic domes. thanks for any hint, as andreas schneider fn +81- 43- 274 5531 fx +81- 3- 3723 9498 andreas@wni.com.jp ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:47:22 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: Q: Copyright on Dymaxion Map? X-cc: rich@cpp.pha.pa.us In-Reply-To: from "Kevin Sahr" at Oct 21, 94 09:52:17 am ~`ffATDT463-7160 Kevin: I am sure others have the same feelings as you. I wrote letters to Grosvenor and others at the National Geographic in 1983 regarding the use of the Dymaxion Project for the new editions of National Geographic Maps that were being introduced for the next century. I understand how frustrating it is to change intractible organizations. By the way, I believe both the cuboctahedron and icosahedral versions of the map have been copyrighted. The patent is for the cuboctahedral version as published in Life Magazine in May of 1943. --Kiyoshi Forwarded messages begin here: > >Kevin: > > The Dymaxion Map patent (US Pat 2,393,676) is reproduced on pages 85-94 o f > >Inventions: The Patented Works of R. Buckminster Fuller (St. Martin's Press, > >1983). Both the projection method and the actual map were patented in 1946, > >with an update in 1954. As one of his last acts, RBF granted permission for > >Medard Gabel of the World Game to use the Dymaxion map in their work. At > >about that time, another issue was the fact that the patent was lapsing > >anyway. You should be able to get more information on the map's current > >status from BFI. They should also be able to supply you with a copy of the > >patent. If that is not possible, you can write the US Patent Office, or send > >me email and I will photocopy the patent and send it to you. > > > >Kiyoshi Kuromiya > > Thanks Kiyoshi. I do have a copy of the patent, but even if it were > still current I'm not sure how binding it would be, since the patented > version is a sub-divided cuboctahedron (as opposed to an icosahedron) > and, as I think we discussed before, there are some problems with > the method in the patent. > > The BFI seems uncertain as to the nature of the copyright they hold. > What has prompted this inquiry, by the way, is the recent very > disapointing interaction I have had with BFI over potential use > of the dymaxion map. It is my current belief that the BFI is doing > more to hinder the dissemination of Bucky's ideas than to facilitate > them. In this case, I am afraid the basic concepts of the dymaxion > map are going to shortly become national news, but not a single > mention of Bucky will be made. As far as I can tell BFI is pretty much > solely to blame for this sorry state of affairs. I am, to say the > least, both very saddened and very angered by this. > > >> > >> I am aware that the Buckminster Fuller Institute has a copyright > >> on Fuller's Dymaxion Air-Ocean map. I am also aware of (and have > >> seen) Fuller's original patent on the map projection used. > >> > >> I was wondering, does anyone know exactly what BFI's copyright > >> covers? Does it cover just reproduction of images produced by > >> BFI? Does it limit the ability of others to make there own > >> versions of Bucky's map using their own facilities? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Kevin > >> > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 08:55:33 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SNELSON'S ELECTRON SHELLS MODELS An Improved Model of Electron Shells by Joe S. Moore In 1966 and 1978 a sculptor named Kenneth Snelson patented an improved way of modeling the various electron shells. His models reflect nature's geometry as discovered by R. Buckminster Fuller. Snelson's models demonstrate that there are only seven possible geometric shapes that the local electron orbits can take. For further information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A Design for the Atom", Industrial Design (mag) by Kenneth Snelson Feb 1, 1963 pages 48-57 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Model for Atomic Forms" Oct ?_, 1966 by Kenneth Snelson u.s.patent 3,276,148 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Model for Atomic Forms" Jul 11, 1978 by Kenneth Snelson u.s.patent 4,099,339 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Portrait of an Atom: an Exhibition', Maryland Science Center, Baltimore, MD by Kenneth Snelson _?_ ?_, 1981 26 pages ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitola, California, USA October 21, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com 408-464-3743 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 08:58:00 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FULLER'S UNIFIED FIELD MODEL & FORMULA Nature's Unified Field by Joe S. Moore R. Buckminster Fuller discovered nature's unified field which can account for all the various transformations of energy. He was able to express it as both a physical model and as the mathematical formula: t = 2 n (f squared) + 2. Unfortunately, the conventional scientific establishment has yet to recognize his monumental achievement! For further information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Synergetics' 1975 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 589-96, 677-8, and 810. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Synergetics II' 1979 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 57, 217-8, 239, 415, & 448, & plate 9. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitola, California, USA October 21, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com 408-464-3743 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:59:36 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: I Seem To Be A Verb? X-cc: rich@cpp.pha.pa.us In-Reply-To: from "Suzanne LaRocca" at Oct 20, 94 07:38:06 pm "I Seem to Be a Verb" was published as a paperback in 1970 by Bantam Books (V6305), I don't know whether it is still available from the publisher, but I am sure there are copies floating around. The book is by R. Buckminster Fuller, with Jerome Agel and Quentin Fiore. It sold originally for $1.95, and I have two copies in my library. If you can't find another source, I can photocopy the book for you for $10 costs. --Kiyoshi Kuromiya Forwarded message begins here: > > In the early 1970's I came across a book written (or co-authored) by > Buckminster Fuller called "I Seem to be a Verb". It was a paperback with a > black and silver cover. One unique feature of the book was that it could be > read three ways: the top half of the pages were read as an ordinary text; the > bottom half of the pages were printed upside down and read from the back of > the book to the front; through the middle of each page ran a continuous > sentence that ran the length of the book. Art work was also included among > text,collage-style. > Sounds cool, yes? I haven't seen this book since about 1973 when I was 14. > Was it all a dream? Can anybody help me find it? If so, E-mail me. I am > Goodsculpt. Thanks ever so. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:22:11 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: FULLER'S GRAND GEODESIC STRATEGY X-cc: rich@cpp.pha.pa.us In-Reply-To: from "Joe Moore" at Oct 19, 94 06:06:36 pm Joe S Moore (joemoore@cruzio.com) wrote: > > In my 24 years of studying Fuller, I have never been able to > find a detailed study as to WHY the global birth rate declines > as the energy per capita increases. Might be a good project > for someone. > Joe-- I don't know if Fuller wrote a detailed explanation, but I think he left us enough clues so that we can interpret his observations of this data taken from his World Resources Inventory. Fuller in his World Resources Inventory equated energy with human work, hence his use of the concept of "energy slaves"--the amount of electricity required to replace the work of one human worker (slave). Next, you must examine Fuller's interpretation of quantum mechanics ("all multiplication is by division [of the whole]"). If the whole system (in this case, the Earth) has a finite complement of energy/matter, and if further, you consider human energy slaves and electrical energy slaves as being equivalent, then "the pie" can be divided proportion- ately between new human slaves or new electrical energy slaves. Such a unique and innovative way of looking at this correlate of the world birthrate was an earmark of Bucky's methodology. --Kiyoshi Kuromiya ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 13:21:02 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rjbono Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Fuller's Ultra Micro Computer >R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER PROPOSED A DESIGN FOR THE ULTIMATE >(SMALLEST AND FASTEST) MICRO COMPUTER. Synergetics discusses the "Nuclear Computer". The technology needed to implement Fuller's vision is quickly becoming a reality. The key is the recently discovered ability to create "artificial atoms" with specific, user-designed electronic properties. Quantum confinement fields are the key to making this work (see January 1993 Scientific American for article on quantum confinement). The idea is to create a computational system based on synergetic geometry whose computational elements are artificial atoms. Since an atom can absorb and emmit photons of different frequencies it will be possible to communicate to other elements in parallel. Communications will partially overlap others. Such a computer would be very small and very fast. A collegue of mine wrote a paper called Computational Cosmography outlining the basic ideas. I have a paper entiitled Applied Computational Cosomosgraphy which enhances these ideas further. I am currently working on a more detailed paper outlining the implemenation of the nuclear computer. I will post copies of these if there is interest. The key is that computation based on synergetics will not look like our conventional von neumann machines of today. What is needed is an ability to gain insight into the nature of the problems we want a computer to solve. Since most natural problems involve synergetics (being as it is, the geometry of nature) a properly designed nuclear computer would do more than simply crunch numbers in a brute force approach. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:37:54 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Rywalt Organization: Prodigy Services Company, White Plains, New York Subject: Re: FULLER'S GRAND GEODESIC STRATEGY In article <199410200614.XAA11729@teleport.com>, Kirby Urner writes: |> But an hour ago, I was in a large auditorium listening to Carl Sagan talk |> about just this subject, without reference to Fuller of course. He cast |> it as close to a law of nature that once income per capita (in dollar terms, |> vs Fuller's kilo-watts) exceeds a minimum threshold (he said USD 500, I |> guess he meant per annum), that the birth rate drops dramatically. In addition to the very human reasons Sagan mentioned, there is experimental evidence with rats which shows that the dropping birth rate may just be a survival mechanism. The experiment, as I read about it (please don't ask for a source, that grain slipped through the seive of my brain), consisted of controlling the food supply for a population of rats. A low food level resulted in a small population which eventually died out; a median food level resulted in a healthy surviving population; and an abundant food supply led to a high survival rate at first followed by the death of the population. I don't recall there being an mechanism to explain this counterintuitive result; however, I believe it's possible that humans have a survival mechanism not possessed by rats in a controlled experiment that may lead to the low birth rates noted in industrialized countries. Also, as I recently read in _Discover_ magazine, some studies have shown that an ecological system which is more productive seems to actually reduce the diversity of the species which live there. Apparently, species diversity is attained only at a very carefully balanced level of productivity; that is, a more fertile and inhabitable environment will actually have LESS diversity than a less hospitable environment. Chris. crywalt@tinman.dev.prodigy.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:46:13 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Rywalt Organization: Prodigy Services Company, White Plains, New York Subject: Re: I Seem To Be A Verb? In article <199410210417.VAA17557@teleport.com>, Kirby Urner writes: |> Intuition is another hard-to-find. I actually have a copy of _Intuition_ which I borrowed from my alma mater's library (and have since stolen, though I really do intend to return it). It was on my stack for scanning and OCRing, though it's not very accessible (it reads a lot like Fuller's ``Rethinking the Lord's Prayer'' and is therefore somewhat daunting). Chris. crywalt@tinman.dev.prodigy.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 10:09:45 JST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Andreas Schneider Subject: Re: Fuller's Ultra Micro Computer dear Rjbono, i am very much interested in your paper 'Applied Computational Cosomosgraphy'- could you send me a copy? thank you very much, andreas schneider fn +81- 43- 274 5531 fx +81- 3- 3723 9498 andreas@wni.com.jp ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 11:46:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "John A. Skidmore" Subject: Re: FULLER'S GRAND GEODESIC STRATEGY In-Reply-To: <9410210619.AA02074@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us> Just joined this list, no bio. In, the old days, before you could ask, I know, get to it. I'm looking for a plastic product Edmond Sci. used to stock Geo-Sticks, or anything like it. What I'm trying is to build a cage, for my bird, right now my parrot lives in a real cage. I don't need cord factors, I need modeling help.. Kinda like a ZOME. The fact is I need alot of hubs and struts...the only way i can figure, is to ask. Thanks John A. Skidmore z005615b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 12:56:19 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FULLER'S QUARK MODEL Quark Models by Joe S. Moore Fuller discovered that the minimum shape that will compound with itself to fill all space is an irregular tetrahedron which he called the "MiTe" (minimum tetrahedron). And since energy as matter must have some kind of shape, and the minimum "thing" or shape (system) is a tetrahedron, Fuller's mite must be what the atomic physicists call a "quark"! All systems must have certain basic properties: 1) Clockwise or counterclockwise rotation or spin; 2) Opposite poles (with north either "up" or "down"; 3) Various volumes or energy contents (+ and - charges) 4) An inside and an outside; In addition, tetrahedra have the unique property of being able to easily turn themselves inside out to display eight (8) different faces. Therefore, in light of all of the above, it is possible to construct a quark chart listing all the various combinations of the above properties. This chart predicts a total of thirty-two (32) basic quarks (8 families, not 6) plus thirty-two inside-out versions (antiquarks) for a total of sixty-four (64) quarks. For further information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Synergetics' 1975 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 101, 535-9, 804-6. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Synergetics II' 1979 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 263, 416. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CAPITOLA, CA, USA October 21, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com 408-464-3743 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 12:58:50 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TETRAHEDRON AS UNITY Tet As Unity by Joe S. Moore If the radii of identical close-packed atoms have a value of one (1), then the distance between their centers is equal to two (2). Therefore, the basic unit vector of a tetrahedron formed by these atoms must also equal two (2). If a tetrahedron is made out of unit vectors with a value of 2, then the edges of a cube containing this same tetrahedron must have a value of the square root of 2 (or 1.4142136). This is how to convert from our present artificial ninety degree cubical system of measuring to nature's much simpler sixty degree system. For further information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Synergetics' 1975 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 588-90, 592-3 & 599 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Cosmography' 1992 by R. Buckminster Fuller page 224 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitola, California, USA October 21, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com 408-464-3743 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 08:38:08 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: FULLER'S GRAND GEODESIC STRATEGY X-cc: rich@cpp.pha.pa.us In-Reply-To: from "Chris Rywalt" at Oct 21, 94 06:37:54 pm Kirby-- Several decades ago rats were used in experiments on population density. When the rats in an enclosed space reached a certain high density, what occurred was a "behavioral sink" in which the rats started acting more and more erratic until they literally began eating each other. Since we are on the subject of rats, in another controlled experiment, one group of rats were placed very close to a television monitor screen, and a second group was placed similarly close to a television screen shielded by a lead barrier. The group of rats which got the direct radiation from the CRT reacted in a very specific way: first, they became hyperactive; next, they became very lethargic; and finally, they died. What's a rat to do? --Kiyoshi Forwarded messages begin here: > Kirby Urner writes: > |> But an hour ago, I was in a large auditorium listening to Carl Sagan talk > |> about just this subject, without reference to Fuller of course. He cast > |> it as close to a law of nature that once income per capita (in dollar terms , > |> vs Fuller's kilo-watts) exceeds a minimum threshold (he said USD 500, I > |> guess he meant per annum), that the birth rate drops dramatically. > > In addition to the very human reasons Sagan mentioned, there is experimental > evidence with rats which shows that the dropping birth rate may just b e > a survival mechanism. > The experiment, as I read about it (please don't ask for a source, that grain > slipped through the seive of my brain), consisted of controlling the > food supply for a population of rats. A low food level resulted in a > small population which eventually died out; a median food level result ed > in a healthy surviving population; and an abundant food supply led to a > high survival rate at first followed by the death of the population. > I don't recall there being an mechanism to explain this counterintuitive > result; > however, I believe it's possible that humans have a survival mechanism > not possessed by rats in a controlled experiment that may lead to the > low birth rates noted in industrialized countries. > Also, as I recently read in _Discover_ magazine, some studies have shown that > an > ecological system which is more productive seems to actually reduce th e > diversity of the species which live there. Apparently, species > diversity is attained only at a very carefully balanced level of > productivity; that is, a more fertile and inhabitable environment will > actually have LESS diversity than a less hospitable environment. > > Chris. > crywalt@tinman.dev.prodigy.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 11:31:27 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: b j Altschul Subject: World Game Hello, everyone---Is there any literature floating around about Bucky's World Game ideas? I had attended one of the "previews" held in conjunction with the World Future Society Conference back in the early 1980s but have long since cleaned out some of those files and don't remember details, just a broad, fuzzy idea. I'd like to refresh myself on what Bucky had in mind and what the status is of the World Game today. In particular, I'm curious to compare his original concept(s) with the kind of communication that has started burgeoning with the Internet and, specifically, Freenets. How much progress can we make toward resolving conflicts and distributing resources now that this technology is diffusing among both grassroots and in-power organizers? Regards, b j Altschul (Ms., just in case you're wondering about my initials) bja@wam.umd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 09:32:41 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: NATURE'S 60 DEGREE FRAMEWORK A Sixty Degree Coordinate System by Joe S. Moore R. Buckminster Fuller discovered that nature is using a sixty degree coordinate system (the tetrahedron), not ninety degrees (the cube)! If humanity were to convert to nature's system, we would not need to use all kinds of irrational constants such as pi, etc. All our measurements and calculations would be simplified and come out in nice round numbers (tetrahedional units). For further information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Utopia or Oblivion' 1969 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 80-105. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'The Dymaxion World of R. Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by Robert Marks & R. Buckminster Fuller pages 38-49, 142-7. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Synergetics' 1975 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 108-19. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Buckminster Fuller: An Autobiographical Monologue/ Scenario' edited by Robert Snyder 1980 pages 114-24. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitola, California, USA OCTOBER 23, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com 408-464-3743 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 09:34:16 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: NATURE'S GEOMETRY Nature's Geometry by Joe S. Moore Although the discovery of the geometrical basis for all of nature's designs was published by R. Buckminster Fuller over thirty years ago, "modern" society still does not seem to be aware of this monumental achievement! All of the physical universe is made out of energy either radiant or tied up in knots called atoms. A given amount of energy traveling in some direction for a certain amount of time is called a "vector". The only self-stabilizing combination of vectors is the triangle. Only three basic systems can be constructed out of equilateral triangles: tetrahedra, octahedra, and icosahedra. Therefore, all of nature must be built up from some combination or multiple of only those three basic systems! For further information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'The Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by Robert Marks & R. Buckminster Fuller pages 142-47. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Synergetics' 1975 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 314-19. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Synergetics II' 1979 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 151-59. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Fuller's Earth' 1984 by Richard J. Brenneman pages 91-92. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'A Fuller Explanation' 1987 by Amy C. Edmondson pages 38-39. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitola, California, USA October 23, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com 408-464-3743 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 11:14:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: FULLER'S GRAND GEODESIC STRATEGY > Since we are on the subject of rats, in another controlled experiment, one >group of rats were placed very close to a television monitor screen, and a >second group was placed similarly close to a television screen shielded by a >lead barrier. The group of rats which got the direct radiation from the CRT >reacted in a very specific way: first, they became hyperactive; next, they >became very lethargic; and finally, they died. > What's a rat to do? >--Kiyoshi > Birth rats, death rats. I'm feeling lethargic right now. Up all not in a windowless hospital tech room, programming my cath lab registry program. Long white halls, cheese at the end of some of them (cafeteria). The metaphor is complete. Sagan, sharing the stage with his brilliant wife, waddled around the stage imitating a chimp. Did a long narrated pantomime of a chimp fishing for termites with a stick. Their basic thesis: human political systems such as the ones which came close to, and may yet, wreck everything, are based on chimp programming, perpetuated to this day. Big news. Chimps also demonstrate altruism and other positive human qualities. Kirby ------------------------------------------------ Kirby T. Urner email: pdx4d@teleport.com (public access node) 4D Solutions www: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ Portland (PDX), Oregon "All realities are virtual" -- KU ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 11:22:03 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: NATURE'S 60 DEGREE FRAMEWORK > A Sixty Degree Coordinate System > > by Joe S. Moore > > > > R. Buckminster Fuller discovered that nature is using a sixty degree >coordinate system (the tetrahedron), not ninety degrees (the cube)! > If humanity were to convert to nature's system, we would not need to use >all kinds of irrational constants such as pi, etc. > All our measurements and calculations would be simplified and come out >in nice round numbers (tetrahedional units). > For further information see: I suppose we could resurrect the PI thread at this point. I like Kiyoshi's New York Times quote saying, in essence, that non-terminating numbers may be fine for fast computers with their algorithms, but nature stops. Doesn't "round off", just doesn't run those algorithms in the first place. As Bucky liked to point out, gazillion bubbles forming in the wake of a ship do not rely on any computational methods involving gazillion digit PI. It's not hard for me to conceive of nature's processing algorithms (i.e. energy involving, informational, experiential, episodes) being essentially PI-less. Even our calculators and computers stop at digit x. No one has ever computed with purely irrational numbers. To say all computation is therefore approximation is more absurd than simply saying irrational numbers have no physicality. Kirby ------------------------------------------------ Kirby T. Urner email: pdx4d@teleport.com (public access node) 4D Solutions www: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ Portland (PDX), Oregon "All realities are virtual" -- KU ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 11:43:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: FULLER'S QUARK MODEL > And since energy as matter must have some kind of shape, and the minimum >"thing" or shape (system) is a tetrahedron, Fuller's mite must be what the >atomic physicists call a "quark"! I say the mighty mite is a might. Geometrically, its way cool -- an allspace filling tetrahedron (both positive and negatives required, unless you want to have mite-shaped holes). Energetically, my brain breaks down. Synergetics wordmeaning trajectories and the wordmeanings of particle physics may be in a merging/converging pattern, as Fuller hoped. Whether 'mite' will cospiral in the same geodesic as 'quark' is a tough call. It might. Kirby ------------------------------------------------ Kirby T. Urner email: pdx4d@teleport.com (public access node) 4D Solutions www: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ Portland (PDX), Oregon "All realities are virtual" -- KU ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 14:42:51 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: VIRUS SHELLS MODELS Geodesic Virus Shells by Joe S. Moore The spherical viruse's protein shells are all some type of geodesic structure and use R. Buckminster Fuller's formula: 10 (frequency squared) + 2 For further information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Structure of Viruses", Scientific American (magazine) by R. W. Horne Jan 1, 1963 pages 48-56 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Symmetry in Virus Architecture", Virology (magazine) by R. W. Horne & P. Wildy 1965 vol 15, pages 348-73 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'A Spectrum of Mathematics' edited by J. C. Butcher 1971 pages 98-107 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Viral Map", Time (magazine) by staff Sep 23, 1985 page 71 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The First Human Retrovirus", Scientific American (magazine) by Robert C. Gallo, Jan 1, 1987 pages 89-90 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitola, California, USA October 23, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com 408-464-3743 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 14:41:22 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DNA MODELS Bucky's DNA Model Joe S. Moore The DNA genetic code is made out of only four proteins: adenine, thymine, g