From MAILER-DAEMON@netaxs.com Tue Oct 24 20:56:54 1995 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu [128.205.2.1]) by access.netaxs.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA17442 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:56:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199510250056.UAA17442@access.netaxs.com> Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5500; Tue, 24 Oct 95 20:53:51 EDT Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0572; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:35:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:34:48 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at UBVM (1.8b)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9505" To: "Christopher J. Fearnley" Status: RO ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 11:52:05 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ken Halstead -- Symbolic Systems Organization: K. Halstead at Symbolic Systems : symbolic@vnet.net Subject: Re: American Ingenuity Domes???? Dr tee (drtee@aol.com) wrote: : I am currently considering building a dome supplied by American Ingenuity. : Its 7 inches of foam covered with a concrete, mesh, and high-tech fibre. : There is supposed to be a R-28 in the exterior. : Anyone have comments or news about this company or their products. I plan : to build in the fall, but would like to know if theres a chance that I : will be stuck like those who bought from Monterey Domes. : Thanks in advance. : Wm. W. Thompson : La Feria, TX : wwt6b75@panam.edu or dr tee@aol.com We ALMOST bought an American Ingenuity dome but after some study, decided to build a more conventional 2 X 6 #1 SYP shell. AI seems to be a good company with a good product -- but we had sufficient concerns about the materials and construction methods that we opted, instead, for a wooden shell. Some of our concerns were : 1) Length of time required to erect a concrete dome: We contacted 10 people around the country who had built AI domes. The range of time for constructing and pouring the shell was 6 weeks to 9 months. The erection time for the wooden shell that we constructed was 3 days. 2) Potential for cracks forming in the concrete: While the AI method includes addition of polymer "balls" to the mixture, we were not convinced that this would supply enough elasticity to prevent cracking. Dome shells DO move in a dynamic way with expansion and contraction due to natural heating and cooling. Some of the people that we polled had experienced some cracking and leaks. 3) Potential for rapid emmission of toxic gasses during burning of the rigid styrofoam panels. I have no chemistry to back this up -- it is just a suspicion and a fear. In the wooden home we are now building, we will also avoid the use of rigid insulation, if at all possible. 4) Difficulty integrating TRADITIONAL interior construction methods with the concrete/styrofoam materials in the shell. With this concern, it was not clear to us how to effectively connect interior walls to the foam or concrete parts of the shell. As a matter of fact, AI does discuss a method for doing this, but we felt that it limited our freedom to alter the floor plan as we saw it evolve. (My wife and I are artists and are making it up as we go along). I was not comfortable with the AI solution for attaching drywall (I believe it suggested using an adhesive to attach small metal "dots" onto the foam to "catch" the drywall screws. I was not convinced of the sufficiency of this method. 5) Direction of the overall "aesthetic": This is a very subjective concern -- we noted that the materials for the concrete domes established a very strong "look and feel" created by the materials themselves. After visiting an AI dome in Columbia SC, we decided that this look was not what we were after. We have constructed a wooden shell with brick facing and stucco on the cupola and dormers. We feel that this is much more in the vernacular of our setting. The overall design of our home is what I call english-modern-tudor and it works with the farm. Please understand, I am in no way trying to downplay the quality of American Ingenuity or their product. We spent four months talking with this company and were seriously considering their dome. They were always courteous and very helpful. For those who wish to invest the effort, I believe that they provide a quality product. However, for the reasons stated above, we just didn't feel it was for us. Keep my email address -- if I can be of any further assistance, I'd be happy to do so. I cannot speak much more for the concrete construction methods, however, if you opt for more conventional wooden method our experiences with building our home might help. I will leave you with this one consideration: whatever method of construction that you choose, I would strongly suggest including in your design a MINIMUM two-foot extension on EACH of the 5 natural openings. In my opinion (from constructing various dome models and observing several constructed dome homes), opening extension are essential for support and absorption of the shear stress placed on the riser walls. ken halstead SYMBOLIC SYSTEMS symbolic@vnet.net -- ============================================================== The Designers' Network 2400 - 14,000 8N1 24HRS 704.843.6923 ============================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 00:15:00 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: EPCOT >Disney 'Spaceship Earth' sphere... Interesting things about that dome at Epcot: 1) It was built before the adpotion of AT&T's "death star" logo (the globe symbol was called the "death star" by those of us who did our science at Bell Labs, for reasons that should be obvious to all.) 2) No matter what the sun angle, no matter what your viewing angle, the dome reflects the ambient light to resemble the AT&T "death star" symbol. (Check it out: Any photo will do - compare it to the AT&T logos on TV) 3) It was created to remind the visitor of the World's Fair pavilions, and hence, stress the (claimed) "international" flavor of Epcot. 4) Since the "castle" structure was the symbol of both Disney Land and Disney World, they used images of the dome as the defacto symbol for Epcot. 5) A small plaque would have done it, but no mention is made of Bucky anywhere. Disney never gives credit where credit is due... 6) It contains a very plush AT&T conference room built near the top (nice view) and (at least in the mid 80's) a complete inventory of equipment for demos and such. 7) I went out of my way to hold meetings at Epcot, 'cause when we were done, we could all leave by the back door, and go ride space mountain, et al for free! Overall, this was one of the best Bell Labs bennies for employees in the Southeastern Region... 8) Therefore, if not for Bucky, we would have had to PAY to get into Disney World. ----Information SuperHighway - It's Not Just a Buzzword, It's TWO Buzzwords! ------ ______________ /\ ___________\ This writer's statements are definitive. \ \ \________ / Recent findings in physics have proven the \ \ \ / / / universe to be inherently random. If this \ \ \ / / / writer's statements conflict with reality, \ \ \/ / / this may well be due to the inherently \ \/ / / random nature of reality itself, rather James \ / / than any error on the part of the author. Fischer\/_/ jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 16:00:06 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ed Applewhite Subject: Re: Shoji Sadao Fuller & Sadao, PC 32-37 Vernon Boulevard Long Island City NY 11106 (718) 278-1954 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 17:47:29 -0400 Reply-To: B Cazador Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: B Cazador Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Shoji Sadao I just checked Raleigh phone book, no listing sorry ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 17:28:52 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Shoji Sadao In-Reply-To: ; from "Ed Applewhite" at May 1, 95 4:00 pm Ed Applewhite writes: > > Fuller & Sadao, PC > 32-37 Vernon Boulevard > Long Island City NY 11106 > > (718) 278-1954 > .- > Ed, I'm just curious; do you happen to know what the "PC" stands for? I've always wondered. Joe PS: Do they have an E-mail address? > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 19:19:05 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: GEOSCOPE PROJECT X-cc: bobhilt@eskimo.com Bob Hiltner, I found some information regarding "The Geosphere (tm) Project": Tom Van Sant, Santa Monica, Calif (Business Week, 5-11-92, page 67) Poster (24 x 36") available for $18;800-845-1522 (Motorland/CSAA,5/6-92,p55) -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 00:28:01 -0400 Reply-To: Jgoring Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jgoring Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: High-Frequency Geodesic Dome (actually sphere) JPEG's (using POV-Ray) Hi.. read your note on ray tracing domes created with GNU's dome program.... wher can I get the program? I'm an architect, and need to get 3d cad models of geodesic domes or spheres, and am getting to be at wits end. will bop over to netscape to search for gnu and domes and all.. but any specific help would be appreciated. thanks -Jim Goring, William Turnbull ASsociates ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 02:20:17 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tom Fechtner Subject: Tensegrity structures Hi, we are a group of research students at the Architectural Association in London and are planning to do a project on tensegrity structures. Do you have any information on software that could handle the structural system and stress analysis of random tensegrity structures like the ones Kenneth Snelson did in the 1960=B4s? Probably there is some software that ca= n handle the graphics bit that could be used for that purpose. We are trying to devellop a software that is capable of constructing random tensegrity structures on it=B4s own, driven by genetic algorithms. Do you have any comments about that? Tom ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 06:55:19 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Hiltner Subject: Re: GEOSCOPE PROJECT X-To: Joe Moore In-Reply-To: <199505020219.TAA27803@mail2.netcom.com> On Mon, 1 May 1995, Joe Moore wrote: > I found some information regarding "The Geosphere (tm) Project": > > Tom Van Sant, Santa Monica, Calif (Business Week, 5-11-92, page 67) > > Poster (24 x 36") available for $18;800-845-1522 (Motorland/CSAA,5/6-92,p55) > Yes, and my Web Crawler search turned up: "http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geospher.html", which was a very nice introduction to the project, including low-res versions of the cloudless map. --b ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 08:55:57 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: GEOSCOPE PROJECT In-Reply-To: ; from "Bob Hiltner" at May 2, 95 6:55 am Bob Hiltner writes: > > On Mon, 1 May 1995, Joe Moore wrote: > > I found some information regarding "The Geosphere (tm) Project": > > > > Tom Van Sant, Santa Monica, Calif (Business Week, 5-11-92, page 67) > > > > Poster (24 x 36") available for $18;800-845-1522 (Motorland/CSAA,5/6-92,p55) > > > > Yes, and my Web Crawler search turned up: > "http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geospher.html", which was a very > nice introduction to the project, including low-res versions of the > cloudless map. > > --b > .- > I also found a ibm-pc program called "Geoscope" developed by the Canadian Space Agency (see Popular Science, Nov.1993, page 47). Released in Oct '93 on 2 CD-ROMs; contains "huge array of high-resolution color satellite charts"; also hypertext scenarios on various subjects; new data every 9 months. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 13:34:01 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ed Applewhite Subject: Re: Shoji Sadao PC = professional corporation Shoji says he barely has time to keep up with phone & fax. Therefore no e-mail. Regards Ed ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 15:42:42 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: QUARK MODELS X-To: Synergetics List QUARK MODELS by Joe S. Moore R. Buckminster Fuller discovered that the minimum shape that will compound with itself to fill all space is an irregular tetrahedron which he called the "MiTe" (minimum tetrahedron). And since energy as matter must have some kind of shape, and the minimum "thing" or shape (system) is a tetrahedron, Fuller's mite must be what the atomic physicists call a "quark"! All systems must have certain basic properties: 1) Clockwise or counterclockwise rotation or spin; 2) Opposite poles (with north either "up" or "down"; 3) Various volumes or energy contents (+ and - charges) 4) An inside and an outside; In addition, tetrahedra have the unique property of being able to easily turn themselves inside out to display eight (8) different faces. Therefore, in light of all of the above, it is possible to construct a quark chart listing all the various combinations of the above properties. This chart predicts a total of thirty-two (32) basic quarks (8 families, not 6) plus thirty-two inside-out versions (antiquarks) for a total of sixty-four (64) quarks. See: 'Synergetics' by R. Buckminster Fuller, 1975, pages 101, 535-9, 804-6. 'Synergetics II' by R. Buckminster Fuller, 1979, pages 263, 416. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 16:54:32 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: GEODESIC MATH CONTENTS OF 'GEODESIC MATH AND HOW TO USE IT' BY HUGH KENNER, 1976 WHAT THIS BOOK IS A. PART I: TENSEGRITY 1. Weight vs. Tension a. Introduction b. Appendix: Tensegrity Prisms 2. Spherical Tensegrities a. Introduction b. Equilibrium c. Elasticity Multiplication 3. Complex Spherical Tensegrities a. Great Circle Tensegrities b. Dip-Angle Calclations c. Calculation of Remaining Dimensions d. Appendix: Derivation of Tensegrity-Sphere Equations 4. Tendon System Minima a. Introduction b. 6-Strut Tendon Minima 5. Geodesic Subdivision 6. Rigid Tensegrities a. Introduction b. Numerical Example B. PART II: GEODESICS 1. Great Circles a. Introduction b. Great-Circle Systems c. Octahedral and Tetrahedral Great Circles 2. Symmetry Systems a. Introduction b. Envelope Contours 3. The Spherical-Coordinate System 4. Breakdown Systems a. Class I (Alternate) b. Class II (Triacon) c. Which Class? d. Which Frequency? 5. Choosing a Polyhedron a. Introduction b. Other Criteria 6. Using the Tables a. Introduction b. Planning the Work: Class I c. Accuracy d. Class II e. Appendix: Derivation of the Coordinates 7. Ellipses and Superellipses a. Introduction b. Octahedral Ellipsoids c. Icosahedral Ellipsoids d. Modifying Coordinates e. Superspheroids f. Varying two Radii g. Free Forms 8. Truncations a. Introduction b. Truncation by Rotation c. Novel Truncation Planes d. Zenith Altitude and Floor Radius 9. An Advanced Problem a. Introduction b. Quartering the Icosa c. Writing the Coordinates d. Rotating the Coordinate System e. Tabulating the Radii f. Chord Factors g. Truncation 10. Space Frames a. Introduction b. Diamond Patterns c. Trussed Frames 11. About Angles a. Axial Angles b. Face Angles c. Dihedral Angles C. PART III: DATA 1. Class I Octahedral Coordinates a. Frequencies 12, 6, 3 b. Frequencies 8, 4, 2 c. Frequencies 10, 5, 2 2. Class II Method 1 Octahedral Coordinates a. Frequencies 16, 8, 4 b. Frequencies 12, 6 3. Class I Method 1 Icosahedral Coordinates a. Frequencies 10, 5 b. Frequencies 8, 4, 2 c. Frequencies 6, 3 4. Class II Method 1 Icosahedral Coordinates a. Frequencies 12, 6 b. Frequencies 8, 4, 2 5. Tetrahedral Coordinates a. Frequencies 12, 6, 3 b. Frequencies 16, 8, 4 c. Frequencies 16, 8 d. Frequencies 12, 6 6. Class II Method 3 Coordinates and Chord Factors a. Icosa Frequencies 16, 8, 4 b. Icosa Frequencies 12, 6 c. Octa Frequencies 16, 8, 4 d. Octa Frequencies 12, 6 e. Tetra Frequencies 16, 8 f. Icosa Chord Factors g. Octa Chord Factors h. Tetra Chord Factors D. APPENDICES 1. Writing Class II Method 3 Coordinates 2. Calculator Routines (12) 3. HP-65 Programs (11) (NO INDEX) -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 22:20:19 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DESIGN SCIENCE PRIMER CONTENTS:'ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN SCIENCE PRIMER'BY H.BROWN, R.COOK & M.GABEL,'78 ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS PREFACE FORWORD A. INTRODUCTION 1. Overview 2. Conceptual Tools a. Starting with Whole Systems b. Systems and Environments c. Universe d. Humanity's Function in Universe e. Generalized Principles f. Spaceship Earth g. External Metabolic System h. Doing More with Less i. Wealth j. Trim-Tab k. Making Visible the Invisible l. The Design Initiative m. Fuller's Forty Questions B. METHODOLOGY 1. Design Science Planning Process 2. Choose Problem Situation 3. Define the Problems 4. Define the Preferred State 5. Describe the Present State 6. Inventory Alternatives 7. Develop Evaluation Criteria 8. Design the Preferred System 9. Develop Implementation Strategies 10. Document the Process 11. Take the Initiative 12. Beginning Again and the Educational Process 13. Design Science Planning Tools C. REFERENCES 1. Origins of Design Science 2. Measures and Conversions 3. World Population Data 4. Data Section a. Natural Resource Data b. Kilowatt Ratings of Appliances c. Energy Data d. Energy/Food Data e. U.S. Energy/Material Use in Construction f. U.S. Energy Use in Transportation g. Energy/Waste Recycling h. Energy Content/Packaging and Trash i. New Production vs. Recycling D. DESIGN SCIENCE BIBLIOGRAPHY BY ROBERT KAHN, EDITOR 1. Introduction 2. Section I: Biological, Physical and Meta Sciences 3. Section II: Human and Technological Systems 4. Section III: Human Thought and Values 5. Periodical Listing 6. The Buckminster Fuller List a. Section 1: Books by Buckminster Fuller b. Section 2: Books about Buckminster Fuller GLOSSARY PRIMER FEEDBACK/EVALUATION (NO INDEX) -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:47:54 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Subject: Re: GNU DOME 3.50 Available for FTP The rb_gall.html file is a hypertext web page, to be viewed with Mac web browser. The zip file contains an executable suitable for DOS machines only, but does have C language source code for those who would brave the porting process. Unzip for the Mac exists, but not sure where to find it (possibly an Archie search would get it for you?). Kirby Web Site Manager Synergetics on the Web >>Version 3.50 of the GNU DOME program is now available for FTP. The program >>can be downloaded via FTP.teleport.com in the /pub/users/pdx4d/bin directory >>and is called dome350.zip. Users having Web access can find it by going to >>page: >> >>http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/rb_gall.html > >Rick, > >Was this supposed to be opened with a Macintosh? >I seem to need help in "unzipping" the file. >Thanks > >Chuck Stoffregen >Computer Teacher ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: on Fuller and Synergetics. Anyone have more recent info on what's happening > with this project? Details on what will be in the CD, and when it might > be available? Who is actually working on the project, etc, etc? > > > -- > > JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 > CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > Believe it or not Joe, you have been contributing to the CD I am developing. In fact I need to get the latest versions of your databases and other materials. Are they at an FTP site? I have been buried in the development lab putting all the pieces together. I must say I am quite impressed by what has been contributed to the WEB resources recently, particularly Richard Hawkins Quicktime files and all the POV graphics. It is an honor to be associated with such talented people. I will post more when I have more to post. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:23:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blaine DAmico Subject: Re: WORLD GAME ON CD In-Reply-To: <199504250316.XAA15932@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> Alright, this is very good news. Any idea on release date? On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Joe Moore wrote: > Last Sunday morning (4-24-95) I talked with the World Game Institute's West > Coast Representative, Chuck Dingee, by way of the Internet Relay Chat (IRC). > He indicated that the WGI has contracted with Microsoft to produce and market > the World Game on a CD. > > He can be reached at: P.O.Box 2681, Bellingham, WA 98227; 206-647-5106 > > and: http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/WGI.html > > The World Game Institute is at: xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu > > -- > > JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 > CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 21:13:01 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chuck Stoffregen Subject: Syenergetics Books X-To: Synergetics@teleport.com A funny thing happend to me while brousing a Madison, WI used bookstore. I came across a well preserved hard cover copy of "Synergetics 1" for only $20.00, as well as other books by Bucky at reasonable prices. Of course I scarfed it up, but now I have two copies. My original copy had a worn paper cover, which I tried to re-cover with a heavy card stock and simulated brown leather cover. The original cover was pretty stressed, as it was all the hard cover was attached. I took it to a couple of binders, who wanted $30.00 to cover it. Needless to say, I am unable to divert any money in that direction (my wife thinks that I've already spent too much money on R. B. Fuller books as it is.) If you need a copy, I would be willing to part with the slightly imperfectly bound book, as is. Later that same day I located a copy of "Synergetics 2", but they wanted $60.00 for it. I am going to see if I can negotiate a lower price from the store's manager, but I want that book, too. Originally, I thought that it would be impossible to locate these volumes, though I am very happy to be wrong. Check out your own local used bookstore to see if you are able to locate published materials by and about R. Buckminister Fuller. These newsgroups are the perfect place to help each other locate them. I do not advocate using the newsgroups as sales tools for retailers, but persons wanting the books could respond to persons posesssing them, via e-mail. I don't think we would be as successful locating "Domebooks" but you never know, Chuck Stoffregen Computer Teacher Madison Area Technical College cas1276@madison.tec.wi.us Synergy - Behavior of whole systems unpredicted by the behavior of their parts taken seperately. R.B. Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 20:18:49 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Synergetics:Worlds of F.L.Wright & Bucky Fuller (fwd) Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Thu May 4 13:13:57 1995 > Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:11:25 -0700 > Message-Id: <199505042011.NAA05088@netcom8.netcom.com> > X-Sender: jhs@netcom.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > From: "Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD" > Subject: Synergetics: The Beautiful Worlds of Frank Lloyd Wright and Buckminst er Fuller > X-Mailer: > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > Just got this via snail-mail: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Friends of Hollyhock House Continuing Education Series presents: > > The Beautiful Worlds of Frank Lloyd Wright and Buckminster Fuller > > A discussion of areas of agreement and disagreement between the > two men of genius. > > > This lecture will be presented by George T.Potter, Ed.D., D.Litt; > Professor and President Emeritus of Ramapo College of New Jersey > and Active Member of the Buckminster Fuller Institute. > > > > Wednesday, May 24, 1995 at 7:30pm > Gallery Theatre at Barnsdall Art Park > > Please RSVP to Ina by May 18 at > (213) 485-4581 > > The Hollyhock House and the Gallery Theatre are facilities of the City of > Los Angeles Cultural Affairs Department. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Anybody going there other than me and my wife ? > > For me it's just down the road - for most others on this list > it might be quite a long flight :) > > If there is interest I can write up how it was afterwards. > > Joachim > > P.S. OK to repost > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 20:23:09 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: The Beautiful Worlds of Frank Lloyd Wright and Buckminster Fuller X-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199505042011.NAA05088@netcom8.netcom.com>; from "Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD" at May 4, 95 1:11 pm Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD writes: > > Just got this via snail-mail: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Friends of Hollyhock House Continuing Education Series presents: > > The Beautiful Worlds of Frank Lloyd Wright and Buckminster Fuller > > A discussion of areas of agreement and disagreement between the > two men of genius. > > This lecture will be presented by George T.Potter, Ed.D., D.Litt; > Professor and President Emeritus of Ramapo College of New Jersey > and Active Member of the Buckminster Fuller Institute. > > > Wednesday, May 24, 1995 at 7:30pm > Gallery Theatre at Barnsdall Art Park > > Please RSVP to Ina by May 18 at > (213) 485-4581 > > The Hollyhock House and the Gallery Theatre are facilities of the City of > Los Angeles Cultural Affairs Department. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Anybody going there other than me and my wife ? > > For me it's just down the road - for most others on this list > it might be quite a long flight :) > > If there is interest I can write up how it was afterwards. > > Joachim > > P.S. OK to repost > Yes. Would you please post a summary to both the Synergetics and Geodesic lists as most of us will probably not be able to attend. Thank you, Joe, -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 20:37:34 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: BUCKY CD In-Reply-To: ; from "Blaine DAmico" at May 4, 95 7:21 pm Blaine DAmico writes: > > On Mon, 3 Apr 1995, Joe Moore wrote: > > > Back on May 3, 1994, Blaine D'Amico mentioned that Ed applewhite had succeed ed > > in interesting the Voyager Co. in publishing an "expanded book" (multimedia) > > on Fuller and Synergetics. Anyone have more recent info on what's happening > > with this project? Details on what will be in the CD, and when it might > > be available? Who is actually working on the project, etc, etc? > > > > Believe it or not Joe, you have been contributing to the CD I am > developing. In fact I need to get the latest versions of your databases > and other materials. Are they at an FTP site? > > I have been buried in the development lab putting all the pieces > together. I must say I am quite impressed by what has been contributed > to the WEB resources recently, particularly Richard Hawkins Quicktime > files and all the POV graphics. It is an honor to be associated with > such talented people. > > I will post more when I have more to post. > Blaine, Both the Bucky Database and the 110 pics should be at switchboard.ftp.com in the Bucky drawer. The pics are in Amiga compressed format, though, but Kirby has software to convert them to JPEG. Please contact me if you have any questions. Joe, -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 18:59:29 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Doug Munn - IDI Organization: Intermountain Digital Imaging Subject: Announce: $10.00 CD of Landsat Images - FREE Poster Offer * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * HOT ITEM !!!!! A new CD-ROM filled with over 500 Landsat images from around the world is available for $10.00 until May 15th - $19.95 after that. Images include the Grand Canyon, Mississippi Floods, The Gulf War and Hurricane Andrew among many others. 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Salt Lake City, Utah Pasadena, California http://www.coresw.com * Intermountain Digital Imaging, LC * 275 East 200 South, Suite 15 * * Salt Lake City, UT 84111 * (800) 280-4030 - FAX (801) 355-4063 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 07:48:03 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dan Steward Subject: Re: Synergetics:Worlds of F.L.Wright & Bucky Fuller (fwd) >Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD writes: [header ommitted] >> Just got this via snail-mail: >> Friends of Hollyhock House Continuing Education Series presents: >> The Beautiful Worlds of Frank Lloyd Wright and Buckminster Fuller >> A discussion of areas of agreement and disagreement between the >> two men of genius. Will the Potter lecture be available in any written form? A transcript or synopsis would be very interesting for some of us who can't make it to LA. If you are going, Dr. Steingrubner, will you please ask about whether there is a test that might be posted for us? Thank you. Take care, Dan Steward "And to imagine a language means to imagine a form of life." (Wittgenstein, _Philosophical Investigations I_) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 18:52:41 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD" Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: Re: Synergetics:Worlds of F.L.Wright & Bucky Fuller (fwd) Dan Steward wrote: Dan wrote: >Will the Potter lecture be available in any written form? A transcript or >synopsis would be very interesting for some of us who can't make it to LA. >If you are going, Dr. Steingrubner, will you please ask about whether there >is a test that might be posted for us? Thank you. According to Ina from the Hollyhock House there will be another event at the BFI in Santa Barbara soon. No further info is available in the moment. For transcripts, I'll ask Dr.Potter himself at the event. (or does anyone know his e-mail ?) I will post my own observations (necessarily biased :) ) after the event... Joachim ************************************************************* ** Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD - trans data international ** ** E-mail: jhs@netcom.com / J.Steingrubner@agora.stm.it ** ** Mosaic: http://www.primenet.com/~jhs/ CIS: 72640,1633 ** ************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 17:28:10 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marcia Blackburn Bertland Subject: Dymax House Update 5 May 1995 Hi All! I just spoke with Christian Overland, the project director for the restoration of the Wichita House at the Ford Museum and Greenfield Village in Dearborn, MI. They have run into restoration problems which have put off the reassembly of the house until 1998. Apparently, when the house was set (incorrectly) into a concrete and dirt foundation in Wichita, it caused corrosion which has required the invention of new preservation techniques to preserve the house. Christian told me something about what Fuller intended as the foundation which I find fascinating (and to which I have found no references). Apparently, the DDM was supposed to sit on a spring and pneumatic balloon system. Does anyone - Ed Applewhite maybe - know more about this? Christian will be giving a lecture on the DDM this Monday, May 8th at 6:30p.m. at the Cooper Hewitt Museum in New York. I'm going to try to attend. If I go, I'll post a synopsis of the presentation. Is any one else going? - Marcia Marcia Blackburn Bertland bd81064@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 15:33:01 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: SYNERGETICS LIST ADDRESS X-To: Merlyn Paulson In-Reply-To: <9505051626.AA15342@haag.LA.ColoState.EDU>; from "Merlyn Paulson" at May 5, 95 10:26 am Merlyn Paulson writes: > > > Joe, > > Please forward to me the address for the > Synergetics list. > > Thanks, > > Merlyn Paulson, Prof. > Colorado State University > .- > To subscribe to the Synergetics list send the following message to majordomo@teleport.com (leave the "subject" line blank): subscribe synergetics-l (that's an "L") -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 15:36:23 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY GLOSSARY THE R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER GLOSSARY by Joe S. Moore 4D: Referring to the 4th Dimension; Fuller's 1st Book, Self-Published '27 A. A-MODULE: 1/24 of a Regular Tetrahedron ACUTE ANGLE: Angle Less than 90 Degrees ADVANTAGE: Power of a Lever AGGREGATE: Clustered Group of Solids,not Necessarily Assembled in Regular Way ALLSPACE FILLING: A System that, when Repeated, Fills All Space ANGLE: Shape Resulting from the Intersection of 2 Lines or Surfaces ANGULAR TOPOLOGY:Description of Structure by Variation of Only Angle/Frequency APPROPRIATE TECHNOLOGY:Solutions Especially Applicable to Needs of Communities ARC: A Segment of a Curve AREA: The Face or Window of a System AXIS: Imaginary Line at Center of Rotating Object around which it Rotates B. B-MODULE: Result of Subtracting A-Module from 1/48 of Regular Octahedron BEHAVIOR: Aggregate Set of Responses of a System & its Environment BELIEF: Claim to Reality Personally Untested & Potentially Unfounded BETWEEN-NESS: The Property of Relationship Shared by Two Points BIOSPHERE: Sum Total of All the Ecosystems on the Planet BRAIN: Organ that Coordinates/Differentiates Info from Physical Senses BTU: British Thermal Unit;Energy Needed to Heat 1 lb Water 1 Degree F BUCKLING: Lateral Deflection; to Bend or Warp under an External Load C. CALORIE: Energy Needed to Heat 1 Gram of Water 1 Degree Centigrade CARRYING CAPACITY: Maximum Population that Given Ecosystem can Support CENTER: See Nucleus CHANGE: Movement from 1 Form, State or Phase to Another;Transform CHORD FACTOR: Math Ratio between the Radius & Edge Length of a Solid CIRCUMSCRIBED SPHERE: The Sphere that Passes through the Vertices of a Solid CLOSED SYSTEM: Where Energy but not Matter Exchanged Between it & Earth COMPOUND: A Combination of Regular Solids with a Common Center COMPLEMENTARITY: Necessary Coexistence,Inseparable Pairs; Unity is Plural COMPREHENSION: To Grasp Mentally all Connections of a Problem or Event COMPREHENSIVISM: Dedication to Perceiving Relationships Between all Areas COMPRESSION: Building Using Earthward Pressure CONCAVE: Curved toward the Observer, as Seen from the Inside CONCEPTION: Forming Mental Concepts, Plans & Thoughts CONCEPTS: Ideas Independent of Size CONVERGENCE: Coming Together Toward a Common Center CONVEX: Curved away from the Observer, as seen from the Outside CORNERS: The Vertices of a System COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS: Comparing Present Value of Expected Benefits with Costs COUPLER: Semisymmetrical Octahedron = 16 A-Modules + 8 B-Modules CUBE: An Unstable Structure of 8 Corners & 6 Areas CUBING: Inaccurate Term for Increasing System Volume by Doubling Edge Lengths D. DEGREE: A 1/360th Division of a Circle DEGREES OF FREEDOM: # of Independent Forces Needed to Restrain a Body in Space DELTAHEDRON: Polyhedron Composed of Triangles DESIGN: Deliberate Ordering of Components DESIGN SCIENCE: Faithful Observation of Universe as the Basis of Invention DEVELOP: To Evolve, to Make Available or Usable, to Realize DIMENSION: Spacial Extent,Order of Complexity & Distinct Facets of Symmetry DIMPLING: Yielding Inwardly to Produce Local Indent in Structural System DIVERGENCE: Moving Farther Apart Outwardly from a Common Center DODECAHEDRON: Polyhedron of 12 Faces; if Regular, 1 of the 5 Platonic Solids DOWN: Erroneous Term; See IN DYMAXION: Maximum Output for Minimum Investment of Materials,Energy & Time E. EARNING A LIVING: Fallacious Idea that Humans Have no Inherent Right to Exist ECOSYSTEM: Self-Sustaining & Self-Regulating Community of Organisms EDGE: Connection Between Points & Boundary Between 2 Faces EDGES: Margins (Lines) Defining the Windows (Areas, Faces) of a System ENERGY EVENT: Discrete Constituent of Universe (Point) ENERGY SLAVE: 150,000 Foot-Pounds/8-Hour Day, 250 Days/Year = 1 Man's Work ENVIRONMENT: Aggregate of Surrounding Things,Conditions,Influences & Processes EPHEMERALIZATION: The Process of Doing More with Less EQUATOR: Imaginary Great Circle Midway at all Points Between N & S Poles EULER'S LAW: # of Corners of any Polyhedron + the # of Areas = # Edges + 2 EXPERIMENTATION: Voluntary, Integrative, Conscious Scientific Experiences EXPONENTIAL GROWTH: Movement of Change Increasing by Rate of Constant Factor EXTERNAL COST: Production/Consumption Costs Not Borne by Producer/Consumer F. FACE: An Area or Window of a System FEEDBACK: Return of a Portion of the Output of any Process to the Input FINITE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM: Physical Reality Consisting of Indivisible Particles FOOT-POUND: Work Required to Lift 1 Pound 1 Foot FOUR: The Minimum Number for Special Case Reality FREQUENCY: Number of Times an Event Occures in a Unit of Time or Space FREQUENCY OF MODULAR SUBDIVISION: Number of Subdivisions per Edge FULCRUM: Base (Pivot Point) of a Lever G. GENERALIZE:To Abstract Principles from Observation of Special-Case Experiences GENERALIZED PRINCIPLE: Rule that Holds True Without Exception GEODESIC: The Shortest Line Between Two Points on a Surface GEODETIC: Relating to the Measurement of the Earth's Surface GEOMETRIC STABILITY: The Quality of Maintaining the Geometric Form GREAT CIRCLE: Line on Surface of Sphere Describing Plane Running thru Center GREAT-CIRCLE ARC: Segment of a Great Circle GREATER INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY OF UNIVERSE:Total of All Generalized Principles H. HEMISPHERE: Half a Sphere HEXAGON, REGULAR: A Polygon Formed of 6 Equal Edges & 6 Equal Angles HIGH-FREQUENCY ENERGY EVENT: Most Tangible Structures or Solids HORSE-POWER: 33,000 Foot-Pounds of Work/Minute I. ICOSADODECAHEDRON: A Polyhedron of 20 Equilateral Triangles & 12 Pentagons ICOSAHEDRON: Geometric Structure with 20 Equalateral Triangular Faces IMAGINARY NUMBERS: Products of Erroneous Cubic-Based Geometry IN: Convergent Motion Toward a Common Center INFINITY: Erroneous Assumption that Universe is Boundless INHERENT COMPLEMENTARITY OF UNIVERSE: See Complementarity INSCRIBED SPHERE: The Sphere that is Tangent to the Mid-Edge of a Solid INTERIOR ANGLE: Angle Between 2 Edges Measured Through the Inside INTERPRECESSING: See Precession INTERTRANSFORMABILITY: Transformations of Systems from One to Another INTUITION: Insight, Sensitivity to Environment & Self ISOTROPIC VECTOR MATRIX: IVM; Space-Filling Array of Unit-Length Vectors J. JITTERBUG: Hollow VE Made out of 24 Struts & their Connectors JITTERBUG TRANSFORMATION:Unstable VE Contracting in a Radially Symetrical Way JOINT: Same as Vertex K. KILOGRAM CALORIE: 1,000 Calories (The Great Calorie) KILOWATT-HOUR: Unit of Work or Energy = 1.34 Horsepower-Hours L. LATITUDE: Point Angle Measured along Meridian N/S from Center of Equator Plane LAW: Verified Statement Describing Relationship Between Given & Outcome LESSER CIRCLE: Circle on Surface of Sphere that Doesn't Pass Thru its Center LEVEL OF AGGREGATION:Specified Area or Level where Measurements are Comparable LINE: Wave Form Produced by Interaction of All Motions Operating on an Event LIVINGRY: Technology Applied for Purposes of Helping Humanity Succeed LOAD, POINT: An External Force Applied to One Point on a Structural Member LOAD, UNIFORM: An External Force Distributed over a Surface LOCI: Corners (Crossings, Vertexes) of a System LONGITUDE: A Geographical Term for a Great Circle Meridian M. MACROCOSM: That Part of the Universe Contained Within a Given System MERCATOR MAP: Obsolete, Distortion-Filled Map of the Earth MERIDIAN: A Great Circle Passing Through Both the Earth's Poles METHODOLOGY: Systematic Procedures for Carrying Out Specific Tasks METRIC TON OF COAL EQUIVALENT: Energy Produced by 1 Ton of Coal: 28.8 Mil BTUs MICROCOSM: That Part of the Universe Outside a Given System MIND: Ability of Humans to Discover Relationships Between Special-Case Data MITE: Minimum Tetrahedron; Composed of 2 A-Modules and 1 B-Module MOMENT: A Twisting Motion about an Axis N. NATURE'S COORDINATE SYSTEM: Governs Coordination of Physical & Metaphysical NEST: Local Indentation Between Adjacent Closepacked Spheres NET: Adjacent Polygons Foldable to Create a Specific Polyhedron NORTH POLE: The Northern End of the Axis on which the Earth Rotates NOTATION: E = Edges; V = Vertices; F = Faces NUCLEUS: Central Element of a Structure O. OBTUSE ANGLE: Angle Greater than 90 Degrees OCTAHEDRON: Triangulated System of 8 Equal Areas, 6 Vertices & 12 Edges OCTET TRUSS: A Structure Composed Entirely of Octahedrons & Tetrahedrons OMNI-ACCOMMODATIVE: Able to Accomodate All Spacial Directions; Omnidirectional OMNI-INTERACCOMMODATIVE: Relationship Between Noncontradictory Principles OMNISYMMETRICAL: Symmetry in All Spacial Directions OPEN SYSTEM: Where Both Energy & Matter are Exchanged with Surroundings ORGANIZING COMPLEXITY: Building More Complex Systems from Less Complex Systems OUT: Motion Diverging from a Common Center; Replaces UP P. PARALLEL: Outmoded Idea that 2 Lines can Extend to Infinity Without Touching PASSENGER-KILOMETER: Work Required to Move One 150-Pound Person 1 Kilometer PATTERN INTEGRITY:Reliable Arrangement of Energy Events in Regenerative System PERPENDICULAR: Erroneous Idea that Major Relationships are at 90 Degree Angle PHOTOSYNTHESIS: Use of Solar Energy by Plants to Turn Chemicals into Nutrients PLANE: Erroneous Idea of Imaginary Flat Area Reaching Out to Infinity PLANNING: Developing a Scheme of Action for Future Implementation PLATONIC SOLID: See Regular Solid POINT: Erroneous Idea of an Event Having no Dimensionality yet Having Location POLE: Point at which Axis of Rotation of a Sphere Meets its Surface POLYGON: A Closed Figure on a Plane Defined by Straight Lines POLYHEDRON: A 3-Dimensional Figure Defined by a Closed Set of Polygons PRECESSION: Systems in Motion with Respect to Each Other Involving 90 Degrees PUSH-PULL: Any Side Opposite any Angle in a Triangle Q. QUANTA: Indivisible Discrete Units or Limit-Case Particles R. REALITY: Phenomena of Universe which are 99.9% Invisible to Unaided Senses REFLEX: Conditioned Reaction to an Event without Thinking REGULAR POLYHEDRON: Composed Exclusively of 1 Type of Polygonal Face REGULAR SOLID: A Solid Defined by Regular Polygons in a Regular Manner RESEARCH: Scientific Investigation or Inquiry RHOMBIC DODECAHEDRON: Polyhedron with 12 Rhombi for Faces (Inside-Out Cube) RHOMBUS: A Geometrical Shape of 4 Equal Edges & 2 Pairs of Angles RIGHT ISOSCELES TRIANGLE: Includes 2 Equal Edges with a Right-Angle in Between RIGID: Adjective that Describes Stable or Non-Collapsible Structure S. SCIENCE: The Use of Mind to Discover Generalized Laws SEARCH: To Make a Through Examination, Explore, Question SEEABILITY: Quality of Being Visible to the Human Sensory Apparatus SEMI-REGULAR SOLID: Same as Archimedian Solid SHEAR: Force Acting along a Plane that Passes Through a Structural Member SHEAR PANEL: A Panel Placed along the Shear Plane to Counteract that Force SIDES: Erroneous Concept for the Windows or Faces of a System SIMILAR: Having the Same Shape, but not Necessarily the Same Size SIZE: Dimension, Extent; Relates to Actual Constructs or Special Cases SKEW POLYGON: A Polygon whose Edges do not Lie in the Same Plane SKEW SOLID: A Solid Defined by Skew Polygons SNUB SOLID: A Solid Exploded & the Original Polygons Surrounded by Triangles SOLID: Same as Polyhedron SOMETHING: An Entity (System) Having Existence in the Real World SOUTH POLE: See North Pole SPACESHIP EARTH:Coined by BF to Convey a Sense of a Finite,Whole System Planet SPECIAL CASE: A Specific Manifestation of a Generalized Concept SPHERE: Structure Where All Surface Points are Equidistant from Center SPHERIC: Rhombic Dodecahedron SPHERICAL TRIANGLE: Curved Area Bounded by 3 Connected Great-Circle Arcs SPHERICAL TRIGONOMETRY: Study of Triangles Formed on the Surfaces of Spheres SQUARE: Imaginary Construct Consisting of 4 Equal Sides & 4 Right Angles SQUARING: Redefined as Triangling STEADY STATE: Input/Output are Balanced at a Point Below Max Limits of System STELLATION: To Form a Pyramid on each Face of a Polyhedron STRUCTURAL SYSTEM: Triangulated System STRUCTURE: A Complex of Events that Interact to Form a Stable Pattern SUNCLIPSE: Accurate Term for the Last Sighting of the Sun in the Evening SUNRISE: Erroneous Term Based on False Perception of Sun/Earth Relationship SUNSET: Erroneous Term Based on False Perception of Sun/Earth Relationship SUNSIGHT: Accurate Term for the First Sighting of the Sun in the Morning SUPPLEMENTARY ANGLES: Angles that Add up to 180 Degrees SURFACE: Element of System Having no Independent Existence Outside the Syste m SYMMETRY: Correspondance of Congruent Components about a Plane or Axis SYNERGETICS: Fuller's Name for Nature's Coordinate System (Geometry) SYNERGY: Behavior of Whole Systems Not Predictable from Behavior of Parts SYSTEM: Triangule-Based Structure Dividing Universe into Inside & Outside T. TANGENT: Proximate or Touching in One Point TECHNOLOGY: Externalized Metabolic Function Tools Used to Provide Life Support TELEOLOGY: Conversion of Special-Case Experience into Generalized Principles TENSION: Using Outwardly Stretching Forces to Impart Structural Stability TENSEGRITY: Structure Using Distributed Tension to Hold Islands of Compression TETRAHEDRON: Minimum Structure of Universe: 4 Windows, 6 Edges, 4 Corners TETRAHEDRONING: Nature's Way of Increasing Volumes Geometrically TETRAHELIX: 20 Tetrahedra Glued Together so the Edges Form a Helix TON-KILOMETER: Work Required to Move 1 Ton 1 Kilometer TRIANGLE: Polygon Having 3 Angles Formed by the Intersection of 3 Lines TRIANGLING: Multiplying a Unit of Measure by Itself TRIGONOMETRY: Study of the Relationships of Lines & Angles in the Triangle TRUSS:Structural Member or Complete Structure formed by Triangulated Framework TUNE-IN-ABILITY: Possibility of Isolating or Focusing on Specific Phenomena TUNING: Process of Establishing the Desired Frequency of a System U. UNDERSTANDING: The Process by which the Mind Discovers Relationships UNIVERSE: Total of Humanity's Consciously Apprehended/Communicated Experience UP: Erroneous Term; See OUT V. VALENT: Number of Connections or Elements VALUES: Expressions, Ideas or Notions of Meaning & Worth VALVING: Deliberate Channeling of Energy/Resources in Preferred Ways VE: Vector Equilibrium VECTOR: Energy Event Consisting of Magnitude and Direction VECTOR EQUILIBRIUM:Structure Formed by Close-Packing Layer of Spheres around 1 VERTEX: Corner of a System formed by Convergence of Lines or Edges VOLUME: The Extent of Space Enclosed by Geometric Structures W. WAVE: Pattern of Motion Produced by Transfer of Energy Through Medium WAVILINEARITY: Property of all Lines which are Always Formed by Wave Motion WEALTH: Organized Capacity to Apply Generalized Principles Toward Life Support WHOLE NUMBER: Positive Integer, Without Fractional Part WINDOW: The Faces (Areas or Openings) of a System X. Y. Z. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 23:58:40 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Dymax House Update In-Reply-To: ; from "Marcia Blackburn Bertland" at May 5, 95 5:28 pm Marcia Blackburn Bertland writes: > > 5 May 1995 > > > Hi All! > > I just spoke with Christian Overland, the project director for the > restoration of the Wichita House at the Ford Museum and Greenfield > Village in Dearborn, MI. They have run into restoration problems which > have put off the reassembly of the house until 1998. Apparently, when the > house was set (incorrectly) into a concrete and dirt foundation in > Wichita, it caused corrosion which has required the invention of new > preservation techniques to preserve the house. > Christian told me something about what Fuller intended as the > foundation which I find fascinating (and to which I have found no > references). Apparently, the DDM was supposed to sit on a spring and > pneumatic balloon system. Does anyone - Ed Applewhite maybe - know more > about this? > Christian will be giving a lecture on the DDM this Monday, May > 8th at 6:30p.m. at the Cooper Hewitt Museum in New York. I'm going to > try to attend. If I go, I'll post a synopsis of the presentation. > Is any one else going? > > - Marcia > > Marcia Blackburn Bertland > bd81064@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu > .- > See 'Inventions', pages 99 and 101 for patent drawing of the footing and its description. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 21:25:08 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Mac Cosham Subject: GENI in Western Australia Dear friends: I went to a GENI breakfast here in Western Australia last Sunday. I have been to several of the breakfasts. At the last one I met Peter Meisen. A member of Parliment attended this one. I first got involved with GENI a couple of years ago because I wanted to meet people who might know about synergetics. I went to some of the meetings and then dropped out. But I still went to the breakfasts because they were convenient and fun. Now I am on the Internet and it feels like there is a real synergy taking place. For instance GENI is hosting a big event in San Diego. And here on the Geodesic List and Synergetic List I am literally rubbing shoulders with the leading people involved with Bucky's work. At the GENI breakfast John Butler the co-ordinator always gives a good little speal on Bucky and I like that very much because in this way his work can spread to new people. I told the people at the breakfast if they were interested in Bucky's work that they could find out about it on the Internet. Some of those people were bound to have computers or will have soon. your friend, swami dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 14:03:43 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marcia Blackburn Bertland Subject: Re: Dymax House Update X-To: Joe Moore In-Reply-To: <199505060658.CAA10460@bingnfs1.cc.binghamton.edu> Thanks Joe! You are ever resourceful. I guess Christian's point was that nothing has really been written about this system - except the patent.Or do you know of something else? - Marcia On Fri, 5 May 1995, Joe Moore wrote: > Marcia Blackburn Bertland writes: > > > > 5 May 1995 > > > > > > Hi All! > > > > I just spoke with Christian Overland, the project director for the > > restoration of the Wichita House at the Ford Museum and Greenfield > > Village in Dearborn, MI. They have run into restoration problems which > > have put off the reassembly of the house until 1998. Apparently, when the > > house was set (incorrectly) into a concrete and dirt foundation in > > Wichita, it caused corrosion which has required the invention of new > > preservation techniques to preserve the house. > > Christian told me something about what Fuller intended as the > > foundation which I find fascinating (and to which I have found no > > references). Apparently, the DDM was supposed to sit on a spring and > > pneumatic balloon system. Does anyone - Ed Applewhite maybe - know more > > about this? > > Christian will be giving a lecture on the DDM this Monday, May > > 8th at 6:30p.m. at the Cooper Hewitt Museum in New York. I'm going to > > try to attend. If I go, I'll post a synopsis of the presentation. > > Is any one else going? > > > > - Marcia > > > > Marcia Blackburn Bertland > > bd81064@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu > > .- > > > > See 'Inventions', pages 99 and 101 for patent drawing of the footing and its > description. > > > -- > > JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 > CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 22:39:42 +1200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ross Keatinge Organization: PlaNet (Auckland New Zealand) Subject: Looking for list of dome companies About a year ago, someone posted a list of companies selling domes in some shape or form (houses etc). It was in the form of a uuencoded Windows cardfile. If anyone still has that I would be grateful of it being posted to the list or mailed to me. Thanks -- Ross Keatinge ross@kea.ak.planet.co.nz Auckland New Zealand ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 21:49:02 -0400 Reply-To: AMKALENAK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AMKALENAK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Expo dome plans I would like to get plans and spec.s of the Expo dome. Has anyone seen any. Does BFI have some in their hold. I think the actual technical details of Bucky's grandest designs should be made available to the public, so that his achievements can be utilized by all and perhaps facilitate his dreams of city scale enclosures and floating spheres among the clouds. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 23:07:11 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Lockley Subject: Report on rehab of Carbondale dome Yesterday I went down to Carbondale to help with the rehab of Bucky's residential dome, and thought you all might like some details. Kim and Pete Depaoli are Chicagoans who have decided to return to school at SIUC, and you couldn't find a nicer couple of capable people. Their aim is to rehab his residential dome, make it liveable without making major alterations, and live there as renters. That goal is perfectly in line with the best interests of the house under current ownership -- especially in light of its history of neglect. The house, on the northeast corner of Forest and Cherry, is a surprisingly small structure on a surprisingly small rectangular lot. If you've seen that photo of Anne reading with Bucky sitting in the background, well, that photo must have been taken with a fisheye lens by a trained rat with his back up against the wall. The yard is entirely enclosed by a privacy fence. The dome itself was put up in 1960 by an Ohio dome company, Pease, as a standard design. It was not Bucky's custom design. The dome has two stories of living space. The main room faces south, towards the yard. Going clockwise, then, is the kitchen area, the bedroom, closets and two bathrooms side by side (?). If the dome is surprisingly small, the bedroom is amazingly, uh, cozy. All rooms except the main room are covered by the second- story library-study area where Bucky kept his books in the semi- circular perimeter bookshelves, and reportedly scooted back and forth up there on a rolling chair. Kim tells me that code doesn't permit that upstairs being used as a bedroom because the ceiling is too low. The main interior floor is concrete. The yard, Bill Perk told us, was designed and furnished as an outdoor room. The fence runs completely around the property (with the exception of the driveway gate, which is missing and which Kim and Pete hope to replace) and is well overgrown with vines and ambitious groundcover. This fence was Bucky's design. It's built of five-foot vertical redwood slats, built into a series of large frames; on closer examination the slats are V-shaped and nested to allow wind through without compromising visual privacy. After these 35 years many of the redwood slats are disconnected, partially rotted, nail-split, falling down, dislodged by roots, whatever, and this sad state is one of the city's immediate concerns. That's what we worked on this past Saturday. You couldn't wish for a more high-maintenance structure. (It will also be fun to paint.) The dome itself leaks, not from around the apex but most noticably from above the three sliding-glass doors. The outside areas above the doors are not sloped properly and water has been allowed to stand and work its way in, damaging the interior triangular plywood panels. One rumor says a woman who lived here 13 years lost her sense of smell and wasn't able to detect her terrible mildew problem. It has also been periodically vacant and half-heartedly fixed up. The ten rectangular skylights near the apex have been entirely covered, and it's probably hard for moisture to escape. The structure seems sound but is visibly flatter at some joints, pointier in others. Holding up pretty well for an inexpensive, experimental, 35-year-old plywood thing which has been not exactly cherished. The dome is owned by a Mike Mitchell, about whom I don't know much. Mitchell has lived in West Hollywood for some time and has evidently owed the dome since Bucky left Carbondale. The circumstances of Bucky's departure from SIU have to do with a change in college administration politics and the odd nature of his arrangement there. While globetrotting and contributing little of immediate, tangible value to SIU, Bucky drew a salary and a full professorship title AND a downtown office with as many as 25 students on the college payroll. You can see this situation many ways (Bill Perk said, "Have you ever seen Rashomon?") but the upshot is that the typical reaction to Fuller's name in this southern Illinois college town now ranges from antipathy to curiosity. There's no detectable civic pride or sense of the range of his contributions. And what a shame that is. As small as the dome is, you can really get a sense of Bucky having been here and worked here. Being there personalizes him a great deal. Kim and Pete expressed a willingness to welcome visitors, and they'll probably get 'em. Seven or eight people dropped by to have a look while I was there. I'm going back down again within the next month or so. Here comes the commerical: Anyone who cares to volunteer advice, anecdotes about the house, or even a box of finishing nails, their Email address is althea58@aol.com. They deserve whatever help you can give them. Walt klockley@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 07:11:01 KST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: DANTES Far East Field Office Subject: Re: Report on rehab of Carbondale dome Bob, Quite a list. Our address is dantes-oof@emh7.army.korea.mil You had dantes-oof@emh1... Best regards, Bill Drummond ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 11:35:31 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: information to increase the varity of information coming to this list i propuse sending questions from different area where everyone who have any knowldge can answer , a sort of competition these question should be quick to answer but are related to significant pattren variables. fuller wanted to get rid off the starsh of academic language so here is some questions,you can voluntere an answer. pattren metabolizm oxygen circulation in the body laagons airplain gas consumtion brain area fatigue children way of learning effect of drugs on the body 10 elements and their use 5 alloys and thier compositon and performance agression sadism interactive state in the present what is the net organization of www multimedia hunger there is of course the 40 questions of fuller but these are quite comprehensive, and need much time but i think they are quite educational if followed through. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 07:14:43 LOCAL Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Bono Organization: cris.com Subject: Hexa-Pent Dome Plans Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the Hex-pent dome Bucky designed for Popular Science? I have tried BFI but they couldn't locate them. The plans were orginally sold through Popular Science for about $15. Thanks. Rick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 08:28:54 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Hexa-Pent Dome Plans In-Reply-To: ; from "Rick Bono" at May 9, 95 7:14 am Rick Bono writes: > > Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the Hex-pent dome Bucky designed > for Popular Science? I have tried BFI but they couldn't locate them. The plans > were orginally sold through Popular Science for about $15. Thanks. > > Rick > .- > Rick, Take a look at the Hexa-Pent patent (#3,810,336 granted 5-14-74). Also, the article in Popular Science is dated May 1972 on pages 128-31. It has dimensions, etc. It was actually patented by his architectural partner, Shoji Sadao, and assigned to the firm Fuller & Sadao which is now in Long Island City, NY, I believe. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:39:36 -0400 Reply-To: Vmountain Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Vmountain Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Looking for list of dome companies Hi! I posted it last year, and I will put it up here in a day or so (once I find it again!). Since then I built a 20' (3 freq) dome with plans from Key Dome in Miami, and am currently working on a 40' (3 freq) dome (our house) and a 12' (2 freq) greenhouse dome. Bruce Carroll Virtual Mountain ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:01:48 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Hexa-Pent Dome Plans X-To: Rick Bono In-Reply-To: ; from "Rick Bono" at May 9, 95 3:04 pm Rick Bono writes: > > >Rick, > > >Take a look at the Hexa-Pent patent (#3,810,336 granted 5-14-74). Also, the > >article in Popular Science is dated May 1972 on pages 128-31. It has > >dimensions, etc. It was actually patented by his architectural partner, Shoj i > >Sadao, and assigned to the firm Fuller & Sadao which is now in Long Island > >City, NY, I believe. > > >Joe > > I have both the Patent and the article. The blueprints are what I'm looking > for. I tried BFI but they did not have a copy on file. Is there a number and > address for Shoji Sadao? Thanks. > > Rick > .- > Shoji Sadao Fuller & Sadao, PC 32-37 Vernon Blvd. Long Island City, NY 11106 718-278-1954 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 08:41:31 JST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Andreas Schneider Subject: Re: buck's glossary thanks to mr moore for his b- glossary. i cleaned it up (removing/ adding tabs, returns & spaces) -- a-module: 1/24 of a regular tetrahedron acute angle: angle less than 90 degrees advantage: power of a lever aggregate: clustered group of solids,not necessarily assembled in regular way allspace filling: a system that, when repeated, fills all space angle: shape resulting from the intersection of 2 lines or surfaces angular topology: description of structure by variation of only angle/frequency a ppropriate technology: solutions especially applicable to needs of communities arc: a segment of a curve area: the face or window of a system axis: imaginary line at center of rotating object around which it rotates b-module: result of subtracting a-module from 1/48 of regular octahedron behavior: aggregate set of responses of a system & its environment belief: claim to reality personally untested & potentially unfounded between-ness: the property of relationship shared by two points biosphere: sum total of all the ecosystems on the planet brain: organ that coordinates/differentiates info from physical senses btu: british thermal unit; energy needed to heat 1 lb water 1 degree f buckling: lateral deflection; to bend or warp under an external load calorie: energy needed to heat 1 gram of water 1 degree centigrade carrying capacity: maximum population that given ecosystem can support center: see nucleus change: movement from 1 form, state or phase to another; transform chord factor: math ratio between the radius & edge length of a solid circumscribed sphere: the sphere that passes through the vertices of a solid closed system: where energy but not matter exchanged between it & earth compound: a combination of regular solids with a common center complementarity: necessary coexistence,inseparable pairs; unity is plural comprehension: to grasp mentally all connections of a problem or event comprehensivism: dedication to perceiving relationships between all areas compression: building using earthward pressure concave: curved toward the observer, as seen from the inside conception: forming mental concepts, plans & thoughts concepts: ideas independent of size convergence: coming together toward a common center convex: curved away from the observer, as seen from the outside corners: the vertices of a system cost-benefit analysis: comparing present value of expected benefits with costs coupler: semisymmetrical octahedron = 16 a-modules + 8 b-modules cube: an unstable structure of 8 corners & 6 areas cubing: inaccurate term for increasing system volume by doubling edge lengths degree: a 1/360th division of a circle degrees of freedom: # of independent forces needed to restrain a body in space deltahedron: polyhedron composed of triangles design: deliberate ordering of components design science: faithful observation of universe as the basis of invention develop: to evolve, to make available or usable, to realize dimension: spacial extent,order of complexity & distinct facets of symmetry dimpling: yielding inwardly to produce local indent in structural system divergence: moving farther apart outwardly from a common center dodecahedron: polyhedron of 12 faces; if regular, 1 of the 5 platonic solids down: erroneous term; see in dymaxion: maximum output for minimum investment of materials,energy & time earning a living: fallacious idea that humans have no inherent right to exist ecosystem: self-sustaining & self-regulating community of organisms edge: connection between points & boundary between 2 faces edges: margins (lines) defining the windows (areas, faces) of a system energy event: discrete constituent of universe (point) energy slave: 150,000 foot-pounds/8-hour day, 250 days/year = 1 man's work environment: aggregate of surrounding things,conditions,influences & processes ephemeralization: the process of doing more with less equator: imaginary great circle midway at all points between n & s poles euler's law: # of corners of any polyhedron + the # of areas = # edges + 2 experimentation: voluntary, integrative, conscious scientific experiences exponential growth: movement of change increasing by rate of constant factor external cost: production/consumption costs not borne by producer/consumer face: an area or window of a system feedback: return of a portion of the output of any process to the input finite accounting system: physical reality consisting of indivisible particles foot-pound: work required to lift 1 pound 1 foot four: the minimum number for special case reality frequency: number of times an event occures in a unit of time or space frequency of modular subdivision: number of subdivisions per edge fulcrum: base (pivot point) of a lever generalize: to abstract principles from observation of special-case experiences generalized principle: rule that holds true without exception geodesic: the shortest line between two points on a surface geodetic: relating to the measurement of the earth's surface geometric stability: the quality of maintaining the geometric form great circle: line on surface of sphere describing plane running thru center great-circle arc: segment of a great circle greater intellectual integrity of universe: total of all generalized principles hemisphere: half a sphere hexagon, regular: a polygon formed of 6 equal edges & 6 equal angles high-frequency energy event: most tangible structures or solids horse-power: 33,000 foot-pounds of work/minute icosadodecahedron: a polyhedron of 20 equilateral triangles & 12 pentagons icosahedron: geometric structure with 20 equalateral triangular faces imaginary numbers: products of erroneous cubic-based geometry in: convergent motion toward a common center infinity: erroneous assumption that universe is boundless inherent complementarity of universe: see complementarity inscribed sphere: the sphere that is tangent to the mid-edge of a solid interior angle: angle between 2 edges measured through the inside interprecessing: see precession intertransformability: transformations of systems from one to another intuition: insight, sensitivity to environment & self isotropic vector matrix: ivm; space-filling array of unit-length vectors jitterbug: hollow ve made out of 24 struts & their connectors jitterbug transformation: unstable ve contracting in a radially symetrical way joint: same as vertex kilogram calorie: 1,000 calories (the great calorie) kilowatt-hour: unit of work or energy = 1.34 horsepower-hours latitude: point angle measured along meridian n/s from center of equator plane law: verified statement describing relationship between given & outcome lesser circle: circle on surface of sphere that doesn't pass thru its center level of aggregation: specified area or level where measurements are comparable line: wave form produced by interaction of all motions operating on an event livingry: technology applied for purposes of helping humanity succeed load, point: an external force applied to one point on a structural member load, uniform: an external force distributed over a surface loci: corners (crossings, vertexes) of a system longitude: a geographical term for a great circle meridian macrocosm: that part of the universe contained within a given system mercator map: obsolete, distortion-filled map of the earth meridian: a great circle passing through both the earth's poles methodology: systematic procedures for carrying out specific tasks metric ton of coal equivalent: energy produced by 1 ton of coal: 28.8 mil btus microcosm: that part of the universe outside a given system mind: ability of humans to discover relationships between special-case data mite: minimum tetrahedron; composed of 2 a-modules and 1 b-module moment: a twisting motion about an axis nature's coordinate system: governs coordination of physical & metaphysical nest: local indentation between adjacent closepacked spheres net: adjacent polygons foldable to create a specific polyhedron north pole: the northern end of the axis on which the earth rotates notation: e = edges; v = vertices; f = faces nucleus: central element of a structure o. obtuse angle: angle greater than 90 degrees octahedron: triangulated system of 8 equal areas, 6 vertices & 12 edges octet truss: a structure composed entirely of octahedrons & tetrahedrons omni-accommodative: able to accomodate all spacial directions; omnidirectional omni-interaccommodative: relationship between noncontradictory principles omnisymmetrical: symmetry in all spacial directions open system: where both energy & matter are exchanged with surroundings organizing complexity: building more complex systems from less complex systems out: motion diverging from a common center; replaces up parallel: outmoded idea that 2 lines can extend to infinity without touching passenger-kilometer: work required to move one 150-pound person 1 kilometer pattern integrity: reliable arrangement of energy events in regenerative system perpendicular: erroneous idea that major relationships are at 90 degree angle photosynthesis: use of solar energy by plants to turn chemicals into nutrients plane: erroneous idea of imaginary flat area reaching out to infinity planning: developing a scheme of action for future implementation platonic solid: see regular solid point: erroneous idea of an event having no dimensionality yet having location pole: point at which axis of rotation of a sphere meets its surface polygon: a closed figure on a plane defined by straight lines polyhedron: a 3-dimensional figure defined by a closed set of polygons precession: systems in motion with respect to each other involving 90 degrees push-pull: any side opposite any angle in a triangle quanta: indivisible discrete units or limit-case particles reality: phenomena of universe which are 99.9% invisible to unaided sense s reflex: conditioned reaction to an event without thinking regular polyhedron: composed exclusively of 1 type of polygonal face regular solid: a solid defined by regular polygons in a regular manner research: scientific investigation or inquiry rhombic dodecahedron: polyhedron with 12 rhombi for faces (inside-out cube) rhombus: a geometrical shape of 4 equal edges & 2 pairs of angles right isosceles triangle: includes 2 equal edges with a right-angle in between rigid: adjective that describes stable or non-collapsible structure science: the use of mind to discover generalized laws search: to make a through examination, explore, question seeability: quality of being visible to the human sensory apparatus semi-regular solid: same as archimedian solid shear: force acting along a plane that passes through a structural member shear panel: a panel placed along the shear plane to counteract that force sides: erroneous concept for the windows or faces of a system similar: having the same shape, but not necessarily the same size size: dimension, extent; relates to actual constructs or special cases skew polygon: a polygon whose edges do not lie in the same plane skew solid: a solid defined by skew polygons snub solid: a solid exploded & the original polygons surrounded by triangles solid: same as polyhedron something: an entity (system) having existence in the real world south pole: see north pole spaceship earth: coined by bf to convey a sense of a finite,whole system planet special case: a specific manifestation of a generalized concept sphere: structure where all surface points are equidistant from center spheric: rhombic dodecahedron spherical triangle: curved area bounded by 3 connected great-circle arcs spherical trigonometry: study of triangles formed on the surfaces of spheres square: imaginary construct consisting of 4 equal sides & 4 right angles squaring: redefined as triangling steady state: input/output are balanced at a point below max limits of system stellation: to form a pyramid on each face of a polyhedron structural system: triangulated system structure: a complex of events that interact to form a stable pattern sunclipse: accurate term for the last sighting of the sun in the evening sunrise: erroneous term based on false perception of sun/earth relationsh ip sunset: erroneous term based on false perception of sun/earth relationship sunsight: accurate term for the first sighting of the sun in the morning supplementary angles: angles that add up to 180 degrees surface: element of system having no independent existence outside the syste m symmetry: correspondance of congruent components about a plane or axis synergetics: fuller's name for nature's coordinate system (geometry) synergy: behavior of whole systems not predictable from behavior of parts system: triangule-based structure dividing universe into inside & outside tangent: proximate or touching in one point technology: externalized metabolic function tools used to provide life support teleology: conversion of special-case experience into generalized principles tension: using outwardly stretching forces to impart structural stability tensegrity: structure using distributed tension to hold islands of compression tetrahedron: minimum structure of universe: 4 windows, 6 edges, 4 corners tetrahedroning: nature's way of increasing volumes geometrically tetrahelix: 20 tetrahedra glued together so the edges form a helix ton-kilometer: work required to move 1 ton 1 kilometer triangle: polygon having 3 angles formed by the intersection of 3 lines triangling: multiplying a unit of measure by itself trigonometry: study of the relationships of lines & angles in the triangle truss: structural member or complete structure formed by triangulated framework tune-in-ability: possibility of isolating or focusing on specific phenomena tuning: process of establishing the desired frequency of a system understanding: the process by which the mind discovers relationships universe: total of humanity's consciously apprehended/communicated experience up: erroneous term; see out valent: number of connections or elements values: expressions, ideas or notions of meaning & worth valving: deliberate channeling of energy/resources in preferred ways ve: vector equilibrium vector: energy event consisting of magnitude and direction vector equilibrium: structure formed by close-packing layer of spheres around 1 vertex: corner of a system formed by convergence of lines or edges volume: the extent of space enclosed by geometric structures wave: pattern of motion produced by transfer of energy through medium wavilinearity: property of all lines which are always formed by wave motion wealth: organized capacity to apply generalized principles toward life support whole number: positive integer, without fractional part window: the faces (areas or openings) of a system -- andreas schneider ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 19:13:02 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: BF 100 Year Celebration X-To: Michael Collins In-Reply-To: ; from "Michael Collins" at May 9, 95 5:19 pm Michael Collins writes: > > > > Hello Joe! My name is Michael, and I live > in Santa Cruz. Thanks for the BF Centennial > Symposium and Celebration info. > > Do not have the transportation or $150 registration > for the 3 days. If there was a one day fee and > a potential ride to SD, I could maybe attend. > > Have a good time at the symposium. > > > Later, > > Michael > michaelc > > -- > .- > I understand that they do have one-day fees also, but I don't know what they are. I'de love to go also, but I too find surplus funds hard to come by. Nice hearing from you. I know of several other Bucky fans in this area. Hopefully someone who will be there will post a daily summary to the Geodesics list and/or the Synergetics list. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 08:38:15 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: HOUSING CRISIS Lee Butler writes: > From math.ucr.edu!gate.net!lbutler Tue May 9 23:09:45 1995 > Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 02:10:08 -0400 > X-Sender: lbutler@mailhost.gate.net > Message-Id: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > To: cruzio.com!joemoore@math.ucr.edu > From: Lee Butler > > > > > > > > EKOTECTURE =A91994 > An integrated Approach to Sustainable Construction > > > A paper presented by: > Lee Porter Butler > Ekose'a Integrated Technologies Incorporated > 620 Biscayne Drive > West Palm Beach, Florida, 33480 > > to the > > > =46IRST INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON > > SUSTAINABLE > CONSTRUCTION > > Tampa, Florida, USA, November 6-9, 1994 > > Sponsored by: > University of Florida > International Council for Building Research Studies and Documentation > National Institute of Standards and Technology, USA > U.S. Green Building Council > Habitat for Humanity > Green Development Group, Rocky Mountain Institute > Environmental Building News > The Florida House Foundation > Sustainable Development and Construction Initiative, Inc. > > > > The Ekotecture =A9 An Integrated Approach to Sustainable Construction > > Lee Porter Butler > Palm Beach, Florida > > The history of Construction > > The earliest efforts of human beings to protect themselves from the > inclement conditions of weather and the threat of wild animals could be > observed in the caves and earthen dugouts. Gradually these evolved into > more self-conscious designs with the construction of hogans, tents and > houses. > > Approximately 10,000 years ago, at about the time of the beginning of the > first Egyptian civilization, human beings began to end their nomadic > wanderings in search of food and started to develop the modern practices of > agriculture, engineering and architecture. By 500 B.C., the demand for > building timbers had virtually eliminated vast forests along the Nile river > and along the coast of North Africa.( Stone, 1990) > > Around 400 B.C., Socrates remembers, as a small child, taking long walks > with his grandfather in the giant "Cedars of Lebanon" forests (4' trunk > diameters) which covered the hills and mountains of ancient Greece. He then > goes on to recall that, by the time he was an old man, most of these > magnificient trees had been cut. By the first century AD, most of the > forests surrounding the eastern Mediterranean sea had been cut for use in > construction and fire wood. After another several hundred years of > overgrazing sheep and natural erosion, there was little left but "deserted" > rocky ground. > > The use of wood as a structural building material is responsible for the > "desertification" of much of the earth's surface, including parts of > America. We must recognize that this is not a sustainable practice, > consistent with the preservation of the earth's non-renewable resources > and the beauty of the natural environment. Since ancient times, the needs > of construction have been in competition with the natural environment and > resources of the earth. If the present trends in consumption continue, in > an effort to satisfy the construction and energy demands of all five > billion people now living on this planet, our remaining forests and most of > our non-renewable resources will be exhausted by the year 2025, leading to > a "global civil war for resources" ( Gore,1993). > > As our agricultural surplus grew, so did the size, purpose and > specialized functions of our buildings. However, the basic concept of a > building as a static response to the immediate minor discomforts and > inclement forces of nature has not changed in thousands of years. We > continue to erect single static skin structures, incapable of responding to > changes in the climate or the needs of the user. > > Limitations of Existing Construction Technology > > Unfortunately most buildings, including the modern structures of today > have never been conceived to survive the catastrophic forces of nature such > as fires, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, tidal surges and earthquakes. > These structural limitations result in the loss of thousands of lives and > billions of dollars in property in the United States annually. > > Neither have most buildings ever been conceived to sustain a comfortable > interior environment and/or provide the utility amenities required by the > occupants without the continuous consumption of energy, water and > maintenance. With the advances of modern technology buildings are now, in > fact, the source of a continuous stream of toxic waste by-products and > pollution which is rapidly destroying the natural environment. > > More recently, some modern building materials slowly decompose by "off > gassing" ions of the compounds from which they are made. These ions enter > the blood through the lungs and become lodged in the tiny capillaries > inside the brain causing blurred vision, dizziness, nausea and other > central nervous system dysfunctions. The modern practice of sealing > interior spaces to prevent the infiltration of outside air to conserve > energy increases the levels of these toxic gases. > > These same buildings often lack a supply of fresh circulating air > containing adequate levels of oxygen. Their interior spaces rarely provide > the levels of full spectrum natural sunlight necessary to retard the growth > of harmful viruses or for the optimum functioning of the human immune > system. > > With the advent of modern technology, 110 &220 volt alternating current > create high flux electromagnetic fields and electric motors generate > positive electrical ions . These electromagnetic fields and ion imbalances > adversely effect the human central nervous and immune system.The human > body's electro-chemical system operates on very low direct negative > electrical current ( 1/2 volt -DC ), the same as plants. This happens to be > the same voltage generated by the photovoltaic cell. > > The combined effects of all of these building conditions create what has > been identified as "sick building" syndrome. We believe that the modern > trend of overspecialization and compartmentalization of building > disciplines has prevented architects, engineers and other building > professionals from being able to form a "holistic" view of these complex > and interrelated environmental conditions. > > Proposed Criteria for "Sustainable Construction" > > 1. The construction must preserve the remaining forests and open lands by > building without structural wood. > 2. The construction must be able to sustain itself against the destructive > forces of nature by responding as an infinite space frame molded from a > super-lightweight silicone base material. > 3. The construction must sustain the earth's natural environment and > resources by providing the creature comforts and utility necessities for > the occupants without consuming the earth's non-renewable resources or > polluting the natural environment. > 4. The construction must sustain a healthy interior environment which > recognizes the electro-chemical sensitivities and biological needs of the > human organism. > 5. The construction must re-cycle the organic sanitary waste products into > fertilizer for the landscape or agricultural use. > 6. The construction must be able to sustain continued economic growth and > satisfy the constructive needs of further human development. > 7. The construction should float on water whenever possible, preserving > the earth's undeveloped land areas. > > With these criteria for "sustainable construction" and with the goal of > encouraging a more comprehensive and integrated "holistic " environmental > design science, we propose to create the discipline known as Ekotecture =A9. > > The Definition of Ekotecture =A9 > > (E ), is for ecology, the interrelated nature of man and his environment. > (K), is symbolic of the ark, a floating craft which survived the deluge to > bring mankind into the new world.( O ) is for the oceans of the world which > comprise 2/3 rds of the earth's surface. We must begin to utilize water > when possible.( Tecture) , as in archi'tecture, relates to the technical > aspects of construction, i.e., structure, texture and sculpture. Therefore > the word Ekotecture =A9, relating to the technical aspects of floating > ecological structures. > > No longer physically attached to the earth and thereby vulnerable to the > forces of nature,Ekotecture would not require ongoing supplies of material > resources, energy and water from the earth and it would not pollute the > earth's natural environment. Practicing the science of Ekotecture would > produce a "responsive dynamic structure" designed to protect, comfort, > nurture and offer maximum support for the life and health of the human > organism. > > =46loating Ekotecture developments can be placed safely near the existing > central urban core of coastal areas. This will relieve the pressure to > consume more land more and more distant from the center. It will also > relieve pressure on the transportation system to move and more people > further from the urban core. The Japanese have already developed the > concept of floating real estate developments. > > Ekotecture Exemplified : The New Ekose'a Home > > In an effort to further explain the concept and intention of Ekotecture=A9, > Ekose'a Integrated Technologies Incorporated, has developed a prototype, > "off the grid", floating, sustainable, affordable, single family home. It > is our hope that this design will help sustain real estate development and > encourage economic growth without creating additional pollution or harming > the quality of the natural environment. > > The new Ekose'a home provides improved health and safety standards for the > occupant residents by providing a supply of purified, fresh oxygenated air > to every room in the home. It reduces the life and causality losses due to > fires, floods, hurricanes, tidal surges and earthquakes. The patented > double gravity geothermal convection envelope enables the home to maintain > year round comfortable temperatures and humidity ( in any climate) without > the use of fossil fuels or conventional mechanical systems. > > The new Ekose'a home utilizes photovoltaic electric cells, biodigestors, > solar water heaters, solar chimneys and other "passive" natural > solar/gravity energy technologies to provide 100% of their utility > necessities without consuming non-renewable natural resources or producing > environmental pollution. > > The size, layout function, style and aesthetic designs of these homes are > flexible and can be varied to satisfy individual market demands. The cost > of mass producing Ekose'a homes is demonstrably less than the cost of > producing conventional designs when the presently hidden costs of > providing the centralized utility plant and distribution network ("grid") > and the cost all the real estate over which the "grid" must travel. > > Ekotecture Exemplified : The New Ekose'a Home > > In an effort to further explain the concept and intention of Ekotecture=A9, > Ekose'a Integrated Technologies Incorporated, a corporation chartered under > the state of Florida, has developed a prototype, "off the grid", floating, > sustainable, affordable, single family home. It is our hope that this > design will help sustain real estate development and encourage economic > growth without creating additional pollution or harming the quality of the > natural environment. > > The new Ekose'a home provides improved health and safety standards for the > occupant residents by providing a supply of purified, fresh oxygenated air > to every room in the home. It reduces the life and causality losses due to > fires, floods, hurricanes, tidal surges and earthquakes. The patented > double gravity geothermal convection envelope enables the home to maintain > year round comfortable temperatures and humidity ( in any climate) without > the use of fossil fuels or conventional mechanical systems. > > The new Ekose'a home utilizes photovoltaic electric cells, biodigestors, > solar water heaters, solar chimneys and other "passive" natural > solar/gravity energy technologies to provide 100% of their utility > necessities without consuming non-renewable natural resources or producing > environmental pollution. > > The size, layout function, style and aesthetic designs of these homes are > flexible and can be varied to satisfy individual market demands. The cost > of mass producing Ekose'a homes is demonstrably less than the cost of > producing conventional designs when the presently hidden costs of > providing the centralized utility plant and distribution network ("grid") > and the cost all the real estate over which the "grid" must travel. > > Since the Ekose'a decentralized utility infrastructure would not require > the continuous consumption of fossil or nuclear fuel nor the operation and > maintenance of the central plant and "grid", the investors who own and > provide the Ekose'a technologies will enjoy a greater return on their > investment that those being generated by centralized non-renewable resource > systems. > > When the hidden costs of environmental destruction, disease and loss of > life from toxic pollution are added into the comparative financial > analysis the present "grid system" can no longer be justified. > > The Ekose'a home is designed to protect its occupants from naturally > occurring disasters such as fires, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, tidal > surges, and earthquakes by virtue of its composition of materials, > integral space frame design and unitary construction. The entire structure > is designed to float. > > The structure is molded from ultra-lightweight stressed skin concrete > panels. The inner core aggregate of sodium silicate crystals provide R > values above 50. The thin outer structural layers of the panels are > reinforced with silicone fibers to provide a non-corrosible source of > tensile strength. The panels are attached to each other with an elastic > polymeric compound and major structural connections are reinforced through > bolted metal plates cast into the panels during the molding process. > > The design of the outer shell incorporates the patented Ekose'a gravity > geothermal convection double air envelope ( see figures 1 &2 ). Figure 1 > shows the direction of air flow during the cooling mode, where cool air is > drawn through each room in the structure by the cooling system ( see figure > 3 ). Figure 2 shows the direction of air flow during the heating mode. As > cold air falls inside the outer air space it forces air, which has been > heated by contact with the earth in the crawl space, back up and around the > inner envelope where it supplies make up air to the falling column at the > top of the structure. Where-as the Brookhaven laboratory monitoring ( > Jones,1981) of the original Ekose'a home designs ( Butler,1980) > incorporated a single undampered air envelope , the new double envelope, > with damper controlled air flow reduces interior heat loss and heat gain to > virtually zero. The new dampers also eliminate the possibility of smoke or > fire spreading through the envelope space. Infiltration losses are reduced > to virtual zero and cold interior walls are thereby eliminated. The > continuous gravity powered movement of air, pumps heat from deep in the > earth beneath the foundation to keep the interior envelope filled with deep > ground temperature air. The colder it gets outside, the more powerful the > pumping action inside the envelope. > > The double envelope concept also provides for ventilation and cooling > during intermittent periods when neither cooling nor heating is required . > Additional cooling is provided by the patented Ekose'a solar gravity > chimney air dehumidifier and evaporative cooling system. (see figure 3). > The solar heated outer chamber creates a differential between the density > of the air in the chimney and the rest of the house. This lighter air rises > up and out of the chimney, drawing air in through the air intake on the > opposite side of the chimney. As the air moves down through the chimney, it > is dehumidified, loosing moisture through to the exhaust side of the > chimney.. It then travels through underground tubes where it is cooled by > an evaporative cooling system and enters the distribution plenum in the > crawl space of the home. It is then distributed throughout each of the > rooms and pulled through exhaust dampers and channelled back to the base of > the solar chimney providing the make up air for the air that is being > exhausted out the top. This system provides every room with its own > separate, controllable moving air supply ( see figure 1) This provides > fresh circulating air 100% of the time during the cooling cycle and allows > the occupant to manually control the temperature of each room. > > The foundation of the structure functions as a self contained, > non-polluting decentralized utility plant. Containing 35 separate > interlocking lightweight concrete tanks ( see figures 1 &2 ) containing the > processing and storage equipment necessary to supply 100% of the utility > necessities, 100% of the time. The top layer of tanks are filled with air, > adding to the natural buoyancy of the structure enabling the foundation and > superstructure to float upright with its ground floor 3' above water level. > > Electricity is generated by roof mounted photovoltaic cells. These cells > provide the power to charge the storage batteries which are located in two > of the tanks of the floating foundation ( see figure 7 ). Both the > electrolytes and the electrodes would be maintained by the utility company. > The storage batteries are designed to provide sufficient power to last > during the longest period on record during which insufficient sunlight > would be available. Their size and capacity would therefore vary from > climate to climate and would be based on the total electric load. > > Rain water is filtered and stored in foundation tanks for domestic use. ( > see figure 6 ) Additional domestic water can be provided by the solar > powered evaporator condenser units. Grey water from sinks,lavatories, > showers and washing machines is collected and stored in tanks located in > the foundation where it can later be recalled for irrigation and > fertilization of the landscape or garden. > > Sanitary wastes are collected in foundation tank B ( see figure 8 ), > heated ( in a separate tank, B) and converted to methane gas ( stored in a > third tank C) and liquefied organic fertilizer ( stored in a fourth tank, > D), and finally, mixed with grey water to be distributed through an > irrigation system of pumped into a tank truck for reuse on commercial > agricultural crops. > > Hot water is provided by roof mounted solar heated glass vacuum tubes > containing alcohol gravity heat engines which convert diffuse or direct > solar isolation into hot water which is stored in tanks located in the > foundation ( see figure 5 ). The stored hot water is also used to drive the > solar chimney during overcast periods when there is insufficient direct sun > to drive the solar chimney. The capacity of the storage tanks is designed > for each climate and cooling load. > > A portion of the south facing envelope is used as a solarium living space > and greenhouse ( not shown). This space houses green foliage plants and > flowers which function to create and maintain adequate levels of oxygen > inside the home and filter the air. The plants generate (-) negative > electricity and charge ions of pollution floating in the air with a > negative charge causing them to be precipitated to the crawl space beneath > the house ( positively charged) resulting in dust, odor and pollution free > interior environment. Floral fragrances and the aesthetic beauty of the > flowers and green foliage plants have a positive psychological eng designed > to function for any conceivable use. > > All of the concepts and systems described above can adapted and/or > modified to fit any building design, including existing buildings. > > They are humbly offered, not as a panacea for sustainable construction, > but as an example of the concepts and direction we should consider for the > immediate future. > > > References > > Stone,I.F, 1988: The Trial of Socrates: Little Brown > Gore, Al, 1993: Earth in the Balance, Penguin Books > Jones, R. 1981: Case Study of the Ekose'a Mastin Double envelope house: > Brookhaven Laboratory > Butler, Lee P., 1980:Ekose'a Homes:Ekose'a, availible from the author > > Authors Footnote: > > The origional Ekose'a home is described in the book, Ekose'a Homes, > illustrating 23 designs which have been built all over the world. Many of > these homes have been monitored by National Laboratories and universities > (Jones,R.1981). > > > The above document, complete with preliminary patent drawings and diagrams > is availible for $50 US. It can be ordered from Ekotecture Inc. 323 Worth > Avenue, Palm Beach Florida or can be ordered by telephone and charged to > your credit card by calling 407-833-9007 > > > > > > Lee Porter Butler > 620 Biscayne Drive > West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 > 407-659-7656 =20 > > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 16:47:34 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Charles E. Morris" Organization: University of Pennsylvania Subject: BFI Institute Greetings all - I've been lurking around this newsgroup for a while - and I was wondering if someone could repost the physical address for the Buckminster Fuller Institute again - I know I saw it some time ago and I'd like to get some info from them for myself and a friend who is a teacher (and doesn't have access to the net, yet) Thanks in advance -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Tat Tvam Asi ----------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:59:37 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: BFI Institute In-Reply-To: ; from "Charles E. Morris" at May 10, 95 4:47 pm Charles E. Morris writes: > > Greetings all - > > I've been lurking around this newsgroup for a while - and I was wondering > if someone could repost the physical address for the Buckminster Fuller > Institute again - I know I saw it some time ago and I'd like to get some > info from them for myself and a friend who is a teacher (and doesn't have > access to the net, yet) > > Thanks in advance > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Tat Tvam Asi > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > .- > BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE 2040 Alameda Padre Serra, Suite 224 Santa Barbara, CA 93103 fon: 805-962-0022 fax: 805-962-4440 eml: bfi@aol.com Tony DeVarco, Executive Director -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:02:08 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SELF-CONTAINED HOMES X-To: lbutler@gate.net May 10, 1995 Mr. Lee Porter Butler 620 Biscayne Dr. West Palm Beach, Florida 33480 407-659-7656 lbutler@gate.com Dear Lee, You may already be aware of the following, but just in case you're not, the inventor, R.Buckminster Fuller designed several self-contained houses and also habitations that floated on water. He touched on a lot of the same ideas that you use in your designs (double shells, self-contained, etc.). See: INVENTIONS, 4D House, pages 10- 29 DYMAXION WORLD OF BF, 4D House, pages 18- 21 & 86-91 INVENTIONS, Dymaxion House, pages 95-126 DYMAXION WORLD OF BF, Dymaxion House, pages 35- 37 & 128-41 CRITICAL PATH, Fly's Eye Dome, pages 310- 15 DYMAXION WORLD OF BF, Floating Habitation, pages 231- 33 CRITICAL PATH, Floating Habitation, pages 333- 35 PS: I have the DOME magazine article about you by J.Kelly (Fall '92,pp24-7). Also, see the patent on Counter-Torqued Tetrahedral Anchors in INVENTIONS, pages 194-200. PPS: I really do think that you're on the right track. I feel that the reason that dome homes haven't caught on is that they were not self- contained. Domes differed in shape with conventional houses but cost just the same or more! And homes anchored in water get us free from the real estaters. Also, Fuller's Floating Breakwater could not only protect a floating home, but create a harbor and generate electricity. (See INVENTIONS, pages 269-73 & 281-5.) / / -------- / __ \ \ / / \ \ \ \__/ \ \ / \ ---------- / / / -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:05:35 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: ccurtis@HALCYON.COM Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Subject: Re: Hexa-Pent Dome Plans > > Rick Bono writes: > > > > Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the Hex-pent dome Bucky designed > > for Popular Science? I have tried BFI but they couldn't locate them. The plans > > were orginally sold through Popular Science for about $15. Thanks. > > > > Rick > > .- > > > > Rick, > > Take a look at the Hexa-Pent patent (#3,810,336 granted 5-14-74). Also, the > article in Popular Science is dated May 1972 on pages 128-31. It has > dimensions, etc. It was actually patented by his architectural partner, Shoji > Sadao, and assigned to the firm Fuller & Sadao which is now in Long Island > City, NY, I believe. > If your looking for cheap plans on how to build a dome call Key Domes in Florida (305-665-3541). They have plans on building various size domes made of regular lumber and plywood for around $50. I ahve built two of them myself and liked them very much. I plan to build one more this summer in North Idaho. BTW, I find it interesting that so many people talk about leaking domes. Most if not all of them has never built a dome. I have never seen a dome leak, I guess it's because I'm not a professional builder. Go for your dome dreams, remember, It's NOT for everyone, just a special few who need something more in a structure. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:25:55 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: GTU/Position Paper (fwd) Tak Utsumi writes: > From cc13ss.unity.ncsu.edu!listserv.ncsu.edu!mission-earth Wed May 10 16:24:06 1995 > Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 19:24:43 -0400 > Posted-Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 19:24:43 -0400 > Message-Id: > Errors-To: cwm@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu > Reply-To: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Originator: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Sender: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Precedence: bulk > From: Tak Utsumi > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Subject: GTU/Position Paper > X-Listserver-Version: 6.0 -- UNIX ListServer by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Comment: Discussion forum on simulation to aid in world planning and surviva l > > > > May 10, 1995 <<18:01:33>> > > Dear Electronic Colleagues: > > (1) Attached below is a position paper about the creation of a Global > Telecommunication University by the International Telecommunication > Union (a part of the United Nations), which was produced out of their > computer conferencing forum going on since March at -- > GTU information with Gopher at . > > (2) For those people who are not familiar with acronymus; > > GTU: Global Telecommunication University > > BDT: Telecommunication Development Bureau > > FOP: Field Operations Department > > HRD: Human Resource Development > > TIES: ITU Telecom Information Exchange System > > BAAP: Buenos Aires Action Plan > > LDC: Less Developed Countries > > (3) Johan Ernberg at ITU: > > Congratulations to your steady progress. > > Best, Tak > **************************************** > > > INTERNATIONAL TELECOMMUNICATION UNION > > Telecommunication Development Bureau T E L E F A X > > > Place des Nations > CH-1211 Geneva 20 > Switzerland > Telephone: +41 22 730 51 11 > Telefax Gr3: +41 22 733 72 56 > Gr4: +41 22 730 65 00 > > Date: 8 May 1995 Time: Page 1/5 > > To: Potential partners in the GTU > > From: Renato Cortinovis, BDT/FOP/HRD For your reply: > Fax: +41 22 730 5484 > Tel: +41 22 730 5428 > > Subject: The Global Telecommunication University > Position of the lTU/BDT/HRD Division > > > Dear Sir/Madam > > We are pleased to attach the lTU/BDT/HRD Division position paper on the GTU, > taking into consideration the contributions to the GTU electronic conference > that we received from the different potential partners. This information is > also available in lTU/TlES, together with the provisional list of participants > in the GTU round-table meeting. > > The electronic conference is still opened to those who have not yet provided > their views and who wish to do so. > > We also seize this opportunity to remind you that the round-table meeting will > be held at lTU headquarters from 29 to 31 May 1995. > > We thank you for your interest in our activities and look forward to meeting > those who will be able to take part in the above-mentioned meeting. > > > Yours faithfully, > > Jaime Herrera > Head, HRD Division > **************************************** > > 1 > > > THE GTU AS SEEN BY THE ITU/BDT/HRD GROUP > Taking into consideration the contributions > to the electronic conference > > > I OBJECTIVES: > > According to the ITU/BDT/HRD group, the Global Telecommunication University > (GTU) has two objectives: > > a) Short-term objective: > > To provide continuous education courses to professionals (engineers and other > professionals working in the telecom sector: administrators, economists, > lawyers, etc.) and to technicians (qualified staff, with no university > degree). > > We see "continuous education courses" as short vocational/educational courses > or programs meant to update the current knowledge/skills of the staff in > telecommunication organizations. > > These courses, or programs, could be implemented in two ways: > > 1- At distance, using telecommunication facilities and information technolo- > gies. > > 2- On the different campuses of the participants' entities (traditional > courses) > > THE NOVELTY: to resort to the distance learning approach for transferring > existing programs to developing countries in a more systematic way, thus > offering training to many more staff members than in the past, when only > traditional courses were available. > > b) Long-term objectives: > > To set up a permanent organization for coordination and managing a pool of > universities and other training institutions (especially those from telecommu- > nication organizations). > > To create a specific curriculum and provide not only continuous education > programs, but also career programs to train new professionals in telecommuni- > cation. > > The activities will be a combination of both distance learning programs and > on-site programs delivered on the different campuses of the members' institu- > tions. > > THE NOVELTY(IES !): the first one, that should receive full support and should > be used extensively, is the use of distance learning programs via the "infor- > mation highways". The second one, is the establishment of recognized curricu- > lums, where the courses could be implemented at distance and/or on site, on > the different campuses of the telecommunication training institutions and or > universities. The third one is the creation of special diplomas recognized by > > 2 > > all partners and ITU, and valid world-wide. > > > II CONTRIBUTION OF ITU/BDT: > > a) During the organization of the system: > > To collect ideas (through electronic conference and other activities such as > meetings, interviews, etc.) > > - To organize a round-table meeting with interested partners at ITU > Geneva, in May 1995 (to examine the topics discussed in the electronic > conference. and to suggest lines of actions). > > - With the help of recruited experts, and following the lines of actions > discussed during the round-table meeting (May 1995), to finalize the > FEASIBILITY STUDY in order to define the long term objective implementa- > tion. > > - With the interested persons or institutions, to coordinate the implemen- > tation of different pilot trials, running courses at distance to test > the different media and transmission facilities in developing countries > (short-term objective). > > - To assist developing countries having no access to "information high- > ways" in obtaining it. This objective, included under "BAAP-Program No > 12: Telematics" will be implemented when required and within the limits > of available resources. > > - To submit the results of the Feasibility Study to the ITU authorities > and to the possible sources of financing (if so required). > > b) During the normal operation of the system: > > 1. To be one of the members of the Board. The notion of "Board" has to be > defined, and its structure/organization recommended in the Feasibility > Study report. > > 2. Needs: ITU/BDT may play different roles in collecting and disseminating > information on needs: > > 2.1 To collect information: to continue identifying needs in developing > countries (telecom organizations) for continuous education courses and > career programs. > > 2.2 To continue identifying the candidates from developing countries, who > need to follow continuous education courses (at distance and/or on > campus) and/or students to follow the telecommunication career(s) > (combination of distance and on-campus courses). > > 2.3 To disseminate information on needs to interested universities and > training institutes, through the Information System (International > Sharing System databases) and the Virtual Training Center. > > 3. Resources: ITU/BDT would play two roles, one in collecting information > > 3 > > on resources available and the other in disseminating this information. > > 3.1 To collect information on all available courses and programs, as well as > on other possible resources such as fellowships, etc. > > 3.2 To disseminate the information on available courses and programs, > especially to all telecommunication organizations in developing coun- > tries, providing details on access and use of these resources. For this > activity, we will resort to our information systems: the International > Sharing System databases and the Virtual Training Center. > > 4. To coordinate the group of experts in order to define the courses > contents and/or programs curriculums. > > 5. To offer some fellowships from its own budget, if required. Preference > will be given to LDCs. > > 6. To provide advise/consultancy: > > 6.1 Advise and consultancy services on the use of the available resources > (training material, media, training opportunities, etc.) > > 6.2 To inform interested telecommunication organizations on > advise/consultancy services offered by the different entities and > partners in the GTU system. > > 7. To participate in the evaluation of the results of courses/programs, > assessing the benefits for developing countries. > > > III OBJECTIVES OF THE ROUND-TABLE MEETING: > > The HRD group organizes the round-table meeting with the following objectives: > > 1. To establish the directives of the GTU permanent organization (long term > objective) in order to define directives to follow when conducting the > feasibility study. > > 2. To define some pilot projects on distance training, to be carried out > immediately (in 1995 and 1996, if possible). > > > IV TENTATIVE AGENDA OF THE ROUND-TABLE MEETING: > > => 29 May > > - Registration (from 9:30 to 10:30). > > - Opening at 10:30. Speech of a BDT official, defining the objectives of > the round-table meeting and the expected outputs. > > - Presentation of the BDT/BAAP-action plan. Role of the GTU in this plan > and relation with the Study Groups for Development. > > - Presentation by the HRD Division on its activities, and the vision of > > 4 > > the distance training system. > > - Presentation by the HRD Division, of the electronic conference > brainstorming summary. > > - Presentations of the different participants' ideas. > > - Comments and summary of the most important conclusions of the discus- > sions. > > => 30 May > > - From 9:30, if required, continue presentation of ideas of the differ- > ent participants, with comments and summary of the most important > conclusions. > > - Definition of the project organization, and of the items to be > considered when conducting the feasibility study. Identification of > possible partners in the GTU and conditions for participation, etc. > > - Identification of the possible partners interested in cooperating in > the feasibility study. Definition of the job description (list of tasks) > of the experts to be recruited for conducting the feasibility study, > etc. > > - How to continue the electronic conference (study group or similar). > > => 31 May > > - From 9:30, if needed: finishing the work started on 30 May. > > - Discussions on possible pilot projects to be organized: > > - ITU will explain its intention and comment on already implemented or > on-going experiences, limitations, problems, facilities, etc. > > - Participants will present their ideas and proposals. > > - Definition of some pilot projects (partners, modalities, requirements, > role of each partner, etc.). > ********************************************************************** > * Takeshi Utsumi, Ph.D. * > * Laureate of Lord Perry Award for Excellence in Distance Education * > * Founder of CAADE * > * (Consortium for the Advancement of Affordable Distance Education) * > * President, Global University in the U.S.A. (GU/USA) * > * A Divisional Activity of GLOSAS/USA * > * (GLObal Systems Analysis and Simulation Association in the U.S.A.) * > * 43-23 Colden Street, Flushing, NY 11355-3998, U.S.A. * > * Tel: 718-939-0928; Fax: 718-939-0656 (day time only--prefer email) * > * INTERNET: utsumi@columbia.edu; Tax Exempt ID: 11-2999676 * > ********************************************************************** > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:29:16 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Step toward of realizing Al Gore's proposition (fwd) Tak Utsumi writes: > From cc13ss.unity.ncsu.edu!listserv.ncsu.edu!mission-earth Wed May 10 19:45:08 1995 > Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:46:13 -0400 > Posted-Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:46:13 -0400 > Message-Id: > Errors-To: cwm@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu > Reply-To: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Originator: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Sender: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Precedence: bulk > From: Tak Utsumi > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Subject: Step toward of realizing Al Gore's proposition > X-Listserver-Version: 6.0 -- UNIX ListServer by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Comment: Discussion forum on simulation to aid in world planning and surviva l > > May 10, 1995 <<20:40:14>> > > Thomas P Maxwell > Research Scientist > Distributed Modular Spatio-Temporal Simulation > Institute for Ecological Economics > University of Maryland > Box 38, Solomons, Md. 20688 > maxwell@cbl.umd.edu > URL: http://kabir.umd.edu/Tom/Maxwell.html > > Dear Tom: > > (1) Many thanks for your 5/10th msg with your interest in our Global Peace > Gaming project. > > (2) Thank you also for your very interesting descriptions about your Spatial > Modeling Environment (SME) and Mr. John Hummel's Dynamic Environmental > Effect Model (DEEM) projects. > > Yes, I think that this is the direction our Globa Peace Gaming should > be moving. > > (a) The combination of SME and DEEM may be real-time execution of > dispersed models -- is this so? > > You might have noticed an article on vBNS (very high-speed > Backbone Network Service) of NSF at 155 Mbps lines which > connected several supercomputers around the U.S. for weather > simulation, etc. -- appeared in BUSINESS WEEK, May 8, 1995, > Page 93. NSF is funding such a simulation lest weather > simulationists should forecast yesterday's weather. > > When the submodels of our Global Peace Gaming simulation will be > spread to various countries (and tied together via Internet), > game-players (and the submodel builders) in their individual > countries have to take into account their time differences -- > nobody want to stay up all nights many times. > > Therefore, our system have to be asynchronous, and wemay not need > such high speed as vBNS. > > FORUM computer-mediated multimedia conferencing system > (CMMCS) of our CAADE project will work on its distributed > mode, with Object Linking and Embedding (OLE) of audio and > video clippings. It may later have a capability of > asynchronous linkage of distributed simulation submodels, > too. > > (b) What I am interested is to educate youngsters how to model with > cause-and-effect diagrams (and, say, your modular modelling > language (MML)) to understand "INTERDEPENDENCE" of various sectors > of society and of countries with critical thinking and rational > analysis -- I am a student of Jay Forrester of MIT (who originated > SYSTEMS DYNAMICS) in 1967. This is because, I believe, such > understanding will bring world peace. I hope that youngsters with > such capability can be good policy-analysts and decision-makers > who can utilize the Globally Collaborative Environmental Peace > Gaming with globally distributed computer simulation system > through global neural computer network. > > Such education would be one step further than mere > collecting rain or river water to measure/construct database > of its acidity -- but real collaborative, hands-on > experiential learning with simulation models with overseas > counterparts. > > (3) When you meet with John Hummel (hummelj@smtplink.dis.anl.gov) at Argonne > Natl. Labs, would you mind to discuss the possibility of getting the > DOD's technology on the distributed simulation and of getting ready to > transfer it to schools as Vice President Al Gore proposed? -- his speech > said; > > "The Department of Defense is investing well over $1 billion in > the development and implementation of networked distributed > interactive simulation. This technology, which allows dispersed > learners to engage in collaborative problem solving activities in > real time, is now ready for transfer to schools and workplaces > outside of the defense sector." > > (4) I would then be very happy to work together on it, as; > > (a) Bringing in telecom people through our GLOSAS/"Global Lecture Hall > (GLH)" videoconference connections, > > (b) Bringing in distance education people through Global University > (GU)/Consortium for the Advancement of Affordable Distance > Education (CAADE) projects, > > (c) Asking John McLeod of the Society of Computer Simulation > International to bring people of the worldwide network of McLeod > Simulation Institutes, > > (d) Asking Peter Meisen of Global Energy Network International/MISSION > EARTH to bring people of their electrical networking groups around > the world -- after Bucky Fuller's original idea. > > (5) BTW, can your SME and DEEM projects ready for demonstration? > > We are now planning to conduct a GLH between Ohio University and Costa > Rica in October, ranging Pacific Rim, North and South America, Europe, > Scandinavia, and Russia, etc., at the occasion of an international > conference on distance education. It might be a very good demonstration > if you can show your projects (say, your ecosystem diagnostic tools) to > worldwide audiences. As you know, Costa Rica is a well-known country > for their environment consciousness. > > Our colleague there has done gaming -- albeit "normative" without > associated simulation model -- throughout Latin America. > > Looking forward to hearing from you again, -- especially of Mr. Hummel's > reaction to my proposition. > > Best, Tak > **************************************** > > Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 10:06:12 -0400 > From: "Thomas Maxwell" > To: utsumi@solar.rtd.utk.edu > Subject: Global Peace Gaming > > Tak, > I find your global peace gaming idea very interesting. One of the > major paths of my development efforts has been the development of > infrastructure to support this kind of distributed interactive simulation. > Perhaps we might establish a collaboration in this area. Some developing > technology that might be useful includes my Spatial Modeling Environment (SME) > (abstract below) and the Dynamic Environmental Effect Model (DEEM) developed > by John Hummel (hummelj@smtplink.dis.anl.gov) at Argonne Natl. Labs. DEEM is > a software environment for linking and displaying the results of an > inhomogeneous distributed set of environmental models. It allows a set of > legacy models written in FORTRAN or C to be linked into a unified distributed > interactive simulation. Next week I will be meeting wtih John to discussing > linking the SME wodels has been limited in the past by data requirements, > conceptual/computational complexity issues, and insufficient > computational resources. These limitations have begun to erode > with the increasing availability of remote sensing data, and the > development of faster processors and parallel computer systems. > Graphical, object-oriented simulation development tools can help > alleviate architecture are currently > being utilized as ecosystem diagnostic tools. > > > ________________________________________________________ > Thomas P Maxwell, Research Scientist: > Distributed Modular Spatio-Temporal Simulation > University of Maryland Institute for Ecological Economics > Box 38, Solomons, Md. 20688 > URL: http://kabir.umd.edu/Tom/Maxwell.html > ********************************************************************** > * Takeshi Utsumi, Ph.D. * > * Laureate of Lord Perry Award for Excellence in Distance Education * > * Founder of CAADE * > * (Consortium for the Advancement of Affordable Distance Education) * > * President, Global University in the U.S.A. (GU/USA) * > * A Divisional Activity of GLOSAS/USA * > * (GLObal Systems Analysis and Simulation Association in the U.S.A.) * > * 43-23 Colden Street, Flushing, NY 11355-3998, U.S.A. * > * Tel: 718-939-0928; Fax: 718-939-0656 (day time only--prefer email) * > * INTERNET: utsumi@columbia.edu; Tax Exempt ID: 11-2999676 * > ********************************************************************** > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:57:26 -0400 Reply-To: Vmountain Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Vmountain Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Hexa-Pent Dome Plans I also built with one of their plans, and reccomend Key Domes. It went together very easily and with no problems. They got several different kits and methods. Bruce Carroll Virtual Mountain ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:12:34 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Davis Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: Scheherazade Number Has anyone reworked the calculation of all trignonometric functions using Bucky's Scheherazade Number as the number of divisions of circular unity? I am out of my league and just beginning to re-learn all of my math as Bucky suggested to me in 1970 in Carbondale. Bucky says in Cosmograpy that it will take a powerful computer to do the recalc ppg. 68-69. He predicts that "all results are in whole-rational-number increments (without any decimal fractions), we can then assume taht all scientific calculations could be reworked with this comprehensive dividend base." ...." ...all calculations should always be resolvable in whole rational integers." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 19:14:22 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Scheherazade Number >says in Cosmograpy that it will take a powerful computer to do the >recalc ppg. 68-69. He predicts that "all results are in >whole-rational-number increments (without any decimal fractions), we >can then assume taht all scientific calculations could be reworked >with this comprehensive dividend base." ...." ...all calculations >should always be resolvable in whole rational integers." what do you mean by all scientific calculation could be reworked ? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:37:33 -0400 Reply-To: Tiquirris Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tiquirris Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: BFI Institute The Buckminster Fuller Institute is located at 2040 Alameda Padre Sierra in Santa Barbara, Cal. 93101. PH#: (805) 962-0022; FAX#: (805) 962-4440; E-Mail: BFI @ AOL.COM Executive Director is Tony Devarco. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:28:46 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Synergetics: Bucky and Synergy (fwd) Kirby Urner writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Thu May 11 09:33:08 1995 > Message-Id: <199505111629.JAA01437@desiree.teleport.com> > X-Sender: pdx4d@mail.teleport.com > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:28:50 -0700 > To: isepp@teleport.com, synergetics-l@teleport.com > From: Kirby Urner > Subject: Synergetics: Bucky and Synergy (fwd) > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > >Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 00:02:28 -0700 > >To: wholesys-l@netcom.com > >From: ffunch@netcom.com (Flemming Funch) > >Subject: Bucky and Synergy (fwd) > >Sender: owner-wholesys-l@netcom.com > >Precedence: list > > > >>.. extract from 'Cosmic Trigger II' by Robert Anton Wilson: > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>BUCKY AND SYNERGY > >> > >>It was 1956. I was 24 years old, working as an engineering aide, and > >>I had come to a seminar on General Semantics at Bard College in > >>Annandale-on-the-Hudson. There were several brilliant speakers - Dr. > >>Marge Swanson, talking about the bio-chemistry of the brain, Dr. > >>Russell Meyers, talking about conditioned and conditional reflexes in > >>cats and humans, Dr. Ray Bontrager, talking about the role of > >>neurolinguistic reactions in psychology - and others I have, alas, > >>forgotten over the years. > >> > >>The speaker who I had most wanted to hear and who bowled me over was > >>Richard Buckminster Fuller, talking about mathematics and > >>architecture and city planning and global planning and chemistry and > >>metallurgy and semantics and poetry and a few dozen other topics. > >>Fuller was a short man, overweight in those days (he later dieted) > >>and shaped like a pear. Everybody called him Bucky. > >> > >>Bucky said that, like the other scientists at the seminar, he had > >>been shaken up by Alfred Korzybski's neurolinguistic theory that > >>words literally can hypnotize us. He had tried the experiment of not > >>talking for a year, in 1928, and had emerged with a whole new way of > >>preceiving the world. > >> > >>Korzybski always stressed that as science advances we discover, in > >>one field after another, that "non-elementalistic" or "non-linear" > >>_structural_ relationships explain more than simple additive > >>relationships. (On the daily level, husband + wife + mother-in-law > >>produces a less stable, more explosive household than ordinary > >>arithmetic would lead you to suppose. In metallurgy, the discovery > >>that tin + copper + heat produces something completely new - namely, > >>bronze - revolutionized humanity, as we shall see). Bucky generalized > >>Korzybski's insight into synergetic geometry, the geometry of > >>non-additive structural relationships. > >> > >>Synergetic geometry allowed Bucky to build houses that weighed > >>1/100th or even less than 1/100th of the weight of similar houses, > >>enclosing the same space. This allowed him to ship "houses" or > >>buildings of various sorts around the world. He also showed us, that > >>day, how this new geometry simplified our understanding of organic > >>chemistry. (Organic molecules have Fuller geodesic structures.) > >> > >>I had read about some of that in _Mechanix Illustrated_ and similar > >>publications, and it was part of what I expected from Bucky. But then > >>he went on to ideas the Popular Science journals had not yet written > >>up. > >> > >>Synergetic thinking, generalized, led Fuller to the concept of > >>_ephemeralization_ - "doing more with less." The tendency of > >>technology, he showed us with graphs of various historical stages of > >>machinery, always moved steadily toward greater and greater > >>ephemeralization. Every step forward in information allowed us to do > >>more and more with less and less energy. Economists, he said, were > >>still thinking in terms of scarcity while science was inexorably > >>moving the world toward abundance and super-abundance. > >> > >>Bucky then spoke about the 92 natural chemical elements, and I got a > >>tingly feeling of strange intuition or "predestination" when he > >>mentioned that the last of them was discovered the year I was born. > >>These elements occurred at random around our planet, he said. > >>Universe - a term he used the way theologians use "God" - would > >>eventually force us to make a choice, as technology advanced, between > >>two ways of getting maximum benefit out of these elements. We could > >>follow traditional mammalian politics, in which one nation would try > >>to dominate the others in order to access all 92 elements, which we > >>now call a zero-sum game. Or we could choose a new synergetic path, a > >>non-zero-sum game, in which all Terrans cooperate to "advantage all > >>without disadvantaging any." > >> > >>Since war will continue to become more and more "omni-lethal," Bucky > >>said, humanity would have to choose the latter cooperative path > >>eventually, because "we always do the intelligent thing after we have > >>tried every stupid alternative and none of them works." > >> > >>Everyone at the seminar seemed as overwhelmed by Bucky as I was. > >> > >>"He puts you into a trance," somebody said. > >> > >>"No," somebody else said, "He wakes you out of your trance." > >> > >> > >>copyright (c)1991 Robert Anton Wilson > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: In-Reply-To: ; from "Timothy H. Lee" at May 11, 95 3:59 pm Timothy H. Lee writes: > > Hi, > > I've been lurking on the "Geodesic" list for some time and it seems that if > I had any questions that you're probably the person to ask. Simply put, > in doing library searches for books on geodesic dome construction, I have > often come across the listing for: _Domebook One - two_...that's "dash two". > Are there two volumes to Domebook One, and if so, how come there's not one > copy anywhere in the UC Library System?! Please set me straight on this issue . > > Thanks, > > Tim > .- > Two separate books: DOMEBOOK ONE, 1970, Pacific Domes, Los Gatos, CA DOMEBOOK 2, 1971, Pacific Domes, Bolinas, CA They have probably all been "lost". -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 19:12:33 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TENSEGRITY-INTRO THEORY CONTENTS 'TENSEGRITY:INTRODUCTORY THEORY & MODEL CONSTRUCTION' ROBERT GRIP,'78 A. INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS B. MODEL BUILDING 1. A Step-By-Step Example (11 Figures) 2. More Examples ( 4 Figures) 3. Building Longer-Lasting Models ( 2 Figures) C. SOME THEORY 1. One-to-One Correspondence (2 Figures) 2. Tension Patterns (3 Figures) 3. Regular Polyhedra (2 Figures) 4. Archimedean Polyhedra (2 Figures) 5. Duality (5 Figures) 6. Geodesic Spherical Tensegrities (5 Figures) D. GLOSSARY E. CLARIFYING COMMENTS (2 Figures) F. BIBLIOGRAPHY (NO INDEX) -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 10:38:35 -0400 Reply-To: Vmountain Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Vmountain Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Dome Win Card file Here is a Windows Cardfile with several manufactures of Dome kits, and plans, etc. I compiled this in my dome search over the last few years. I ended up using plans from Key Dome for one dome, and the book from Precision Structures for the one I'm currently building. This file needs to be UUdecoded. Enjoy! Bruce Carroll Virtual Mounatin BEGIN----------------------CUT HERE-------------------------- begin 644 c:\Domes.crd M34=#$0````````!Y`P```$%M97)I8V%N($EN9V5N=6ET>0`````````````` M````````````````````````(@0```!#87-C861E($1O;65S`&-T=7)E2!$;VUE`'!A8V4@1&]M97,````````````````` M````````````````````G`8```!+:6YG1&]M97,`;F=E;G5I='D````````` M`````````````````````````````!`'````36]N;VQI=&AI8R!#;VYS=')U M8W1O2!3<')I;F=S(')D+@T*4F]C:VQE M9&=E+"!&3"`S,CDU-2TU.#`U#0H-"C0P-RTV,SDM.#`T*#0HD."!F;W(@<&QA;FYI;F<@:VET#0H-"D504R!&;V%M(&-O M=F5R960@=R]C;VYC7-I9&4L($E,(#8P M-3(U#0H-"C"`T,C`S#0I"96QL979U92P@5V$@.3@P,#D``$T`1V5O9&5S:6,@1&]M M97,@)B!(;VUE2X@,3$P#0I.+B!7:&ET96AO=7-E+"!46"`W M-32!$;VUE#0I0+D\N($)O>"`T,S`R-3,-"DUI86UI+"!&3"`S,S$T,PT* M#0HS,#4M-C8U+3,U-#$@+2!V;VEC90T*,S`U+38V-RTQ,C4V("T@9F%X#0I0 M971E2!L;V]K:6YG(0``7@!3 M:&5L=&5R(%-Y2P@0T$@.30W,#0-"@T*.#`P+41/344M2$]-10T*#0HD,3(@9F]R(&-A M=&%L;V<``%T`5&]P Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ALL I KNOW TAPES 'ALL I KNOW' VIDEOTAPE MARATHON BY R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER (41 HOURS) Pennsylvania Bell Telephone Studios, Philadelphia, PA January 20 through February 1, 1975 Transcripts by E.J. Applewhite SESSION 1: MONDAY, JANUARY 20 (3 hrs, 26 min) SESSION 2: TUESDAY, JANUARY 21 (3 hrs, 8 min) SESSION 3: WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 22 (2 hrs, 12 min) SESSION 4: THURSDAY, JANUARY 23 (3 hrs, 30 min) SESSION 5: FRIDAY, JANUARY 24 (2 hrs, 15 min) SESSION 6: SATURDAY, JANUARY 25 (3 hrs, 42 min) SESSION 7: MONDAY, JANUARY 27 (3 hrs, 30 min) SESSION 8: TUESDAY, JANUARY 28 (3 hrs, 39 min) SESSION 9: WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 29 (3 hrs, 39 min) SESSION 10: THURSDAY, JANUARY 30 (4 hrs, 5 min) SESSION 11: FRIDAY, JANUARY 31 (3 hrs, 34 min) SESSION 12: SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 1 (4 hrs, 20 min) For copies of the audio and video tapes contact: The Buckminster Fuller Institute at bfi@aol.com -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 19:57:03 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DISCOVERIES OF SYNERGETICS DISCOVERIES OF SYNERGETICS BY R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER (48) Revised by Joe S. Moore May 12, 1995 1. The Ability to Identify All Experience in Terms of Only Angle & Frequency 2. Addition of Angle & Frequency to Euler's List of Crossings, Areas & Lines 3. Adds Angles, Untuned In/Out-sideness, Convex/Concave, Spin to Euler's List 4. Accommodation of Both Linear & Angular Acceleration in Same Math System 5. Gravitational Constant Will Always be Greater than Radiational Constant 6. Gravity Comprehensively Embracing & Circumferentially Contractive 7. Gravitational-Radiational Constant = 10F^2 + 2 8. Gravity a Spherically Circumferential Force with 12:1 Ratio Over Radial 9. Description of Structural System in Terms of the Sum of its Surface Angles 10. Structure is Self-Stabilized Complex of Events w/at Least 3 Edges/3 Angles 11. Angular Topology Comprised Entirely of Central-Angles & Surface-Angles 12. Central Angles are Unique to Systems & Compoundings of Systems 13. A Difference Between Atoms & Compounds is the # of Central-Angle Systems 14. The Tetrahedral Trisecting of Angles 15. Rational Volumetric Quantation of Oct, Cube, Rhombic Triaconta & Dodeca 16. Rational & Symmetric Surface Subdivision of Icosa, Octa,Cube & Rhom Dodeca 17. 7 Unique Axes of Great-Circle Spinnability Describing Foldable Bow Ties 18. Regular Tet, Oct & Icosa Constitute the Only Prime Structural Systems 19. Mathematically Regular,3way,Great-Circle,Spherical-Coordinate Mapping Grid 20. No Other Prime Spherical Triangular Grids but Tet, Oct, Cube, Icosa, & VE 21. Spherical Triangular Grids Identified Only with 1st 4 Prime #s: 1, 2,3 & 5 22. Number of External Crossings = [Prime # of System (Frequency^2) 2] + 2 23. 2nd Power of Linear Dimension Identified with # of Nonpolar Grid Crossings 24. Congruence of Linear/Angular Accelerations Factorable as ^2 of Frequency 25. System = Universe Outside + Universe Inside + System Itself 26. Universe = Scenario of Nonsimultaneous & Only Partially Overlapping Events 27. Magic Numbers Vector Model:Identifies the Structural Logic of the Isotopes 28. 7 Axes of Symmetry Identify with 120 LCD Triangles of Spherical Icosa 29. Rational Identification of Number with the Hierarchy of all the Geometries 30. Discovery & Description of the A and B Quanta Modules 31. Volumetric Hierarchies are Based on A & B Modules as Unit of Measurement 32. The Identification of the Nucleus with the Vector Equilibrium 33. Identification of Triangling with 2nd Powering & Tetrahedroning with ^3 34. Omni-60-Degree Coordination vs. 90-Degree 35. Identification of Waves with Vectors as Waviform Vectors 36. Foldability of Great Circles & their Identification with Wave Phenomena 37. Accommodation of Odd & Even #s in Shell-Generating Frequencies of the VE 38. Hierarchy of Expanding/Contracting Pulsation of Interpolyhedral Transforms 39. Mathematical Treatment of Domains of Interferences as Domains of Vertexes 40. Mathematical Proof of the Four-Color Map Theorem 41. Tensegrity Systems of Discontinuous Compression & Continuous Tension 42. Identification of Tensegrity with Pneumatics and Hydraulics 43. # of Primes Factorial that Form all Complex Phenomena of the 92 Elements 44. Rational 4th, 5th & 6th Powering Modelability of Nature's Transformings 45. In a Closed System the Degrees of Freedom = +6 & -6 for Each Local Event 46. Formula for Rational Whole Number Expression of Tetrahedral Volumes of VEs 47. Hierarchy of Rational Quantation & Topo Relations when Vol of Tet = Unity 48. Integration of Geometry & Philosophy into a Single Conceptual System For further information see 'Synergetics I & II', Section 251.00 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 14:31:19 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: COSMOS279@AOL.COM Subject: CLN-Independent Thinking X-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com, wholesys-l@netcom.com This is a mailing of CLN-COSMOS LEARNING NETWORK-- *COSMOS - *College of Synthallogical Management and Omnicomprehensive Studies "The Universe is our campus" With your permission your messages can be posted and received by anyone in the world. If you don't want your messages posted, send to JamesB7801@aol.com. If you forward any of these posts do not include the names of all the addressees, only COSMOS279@aol.com. Subscribe simply by sending request to COSMOS279@aol.com. This list is managed by Jim Bonaparte. SOCIETY OF INDEPENDENT LEARNERS "Teacher, teach thyself" *By "College" we mean any place (physical, cybernetic, or metaphysical) where two or more people gather together and there is an "I - thou" exchange of authentic knowledge. Our goal is to empower all people with the tools and skills necessary for self-education, thus freeing them from the paternalistic, hierarchal, and authoritarian educational bureaucracy of the smokestack industrial era. //"Home is where the heart is;\\ II work is where the need is; II \\ school is where the mind is"// Jim Bonaparte ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- SYNTHALLOGY BY JIM BONAPARTE We need a new word in the English language, a word that has never been used in any special field or in general conversation. Previously used words easily lead to confusion, especially if their everyday meanings are different from their use in a specific field of study. There are many words that I could use but they don't quite signify what I have in mind without a long series of adjectives. The phrase that most closely describes what I mean is comprehensive generalization, despite its self evident awkwardness. For this reason I propose the word synthallogy to mean the study of all the synergetic relationships that develop when two or more seemingly unassociated factors become associated either physically or metaphysically. This term is necessary because we no longer have a universal understanding of religion or metaphysics; as a matter of fact these studies have largely been subordinated for the last century as experimental science and technology have so dramatically changed our way of life. This is not to minimize the importance of religion and metaphysics as they are of primary importance. I only wish to provide a metaphorical base from which the structure and hierarchy of all knowledge can be "observed." Under no circumstance is this to be considered a formal dissertation as my intention is to promote free independent lifelong self-education for all.This is mankind's only hope for happiness in a world where material promises are yielding less and less satisfaction. I do not claim to have all the answers. This is a request for all lovers of wisdom to participate in an experiment that could completely change the way we view higher education. In each issue of HARVEST Magazine, we are going to invite people from all walks of life to discuss how their lives and careers relate to a specific item of interest. Ideally we would all sit in a circle and discuss these issues face to face, but we must be realistic about time and spatial constraints. We will communicate by letter and E-Mail. Professionals and amateurs alike will express their views which will be published every two months by the Society of Independent Learners (SOIL) Please accept this open invitation to participate in what SOIL believes to be the best approach to adult education. We see no reason why professional and amateur scholars can't responsibly govern themselves in such an undertaking. We feel that individuals should receive professional development points for their participation. This will be a scholarly journal as well as a forum for the free exchange of knowledge and opinions. Intellectual property rights will be strictly enforced and credit given where credit is due. If there is sufficient interest we will conduct discussion groups in convenient locations. We invite all of you to become amateur synthallogists. May this study become a new thread by which seemingly disassociated esoteric fields of expertise are tied together in the quest for truth. Let us bridge the schism that resulted from empirical reductionism and once again help put the universe back together again- SYNTHALLOGICALLY of course. J. Bonaparte ------------------------------------------------- ON THE HORIZON BY JIM BONAPARTE Hubris is man's greatest flaw. It is the underlying cause of all human sin. We claim to know the mind of God. Taken to the extreme, democratic secular humanists believe that groups of humans who are in the political majority are morally right. Ah, if things were only that simple. For the last 30 years, as science and technology have so drastically changed the way we Americans live, there has been a growing grassroots outcry against the improper use of science and technology. It is apparent that much of our environmental degradation is the result of amoral technological application of newly discovered scientific principles. We believed that we had more control over nature than we ever actually did. Three obvious examples come to mind. If you examine any magazines from the 1940's to the 1970's you would notice that insecticide advertisements were more numerous and prominent than they are today. Flit, Malathion, and D.D.T. to name a few were hailed as the saviors of humanity. No longer would humanity suffer the scourges of pestilence and insect carried diseases such as malaria. We were assured of an insect free food supply. Interestingly, without pesticides approximately 10% of our food is lost, and with the use of pesticides there is no significant increase in the amount of food that reaches our tables. Malaria still causes the tremendous human suffering that has made it the most costly disease in human history. It is most common in underdeveloped countries where little profit can be made from sale of insecticides or the new genetically engineered vaccines. The development of antibiotics starting with penicillin was another example of "magic bullet" mentality. Though early tests were hopeful, it became apparent very soon that bacteria reproduced quickly enough to develop immunity within a few generations. Today there are over 100 antibiotics commercially available. There are some bacteria that are immune to all but the latest most expensive-of course- medications. In addition there are hardly any drugs that can be used to treat viral infections. Though antibiotics are an important medical tool, they are in no way miracle cures. The final example I will mention is nuclear power. In the late 1940's and early 1950's manufacturers, hoping to exploit the new "atomic age" rushed into the development of "peaceful" uses for the atom. If the same effort and financial support had been given to the development of solar heating and photovoltaic cells, most of our energy needs would now be met. At least we wouldn't be facing the current nuclear waste problem. R. Buckminster Fuller, in Critical Path, wisely admonishes us that, "...the atomic energy plant called Sun-is essential to life on planet Earth but that its radiation is too intense for direct exposure by many of the constituent members of the total ecological restoration team." Maybe there is a reason why life as we know it has to be 93 million miles away from its nuclear source. We are at least 60 years behind in implementing the omni-Universe-comprehending (Synthallogical) methods of problem solving that Mr. Fuller proposed. He believed that every 25 years there would be a quantum leap (order of magnitude) in technological efficiency. If we view cybernetics as the latest advance we would have to accept his premise. Buckminster Fuller's scientific philosophy was oriented toward letting the Universe do the teaching. In his own words: "Cosmically acceptable and effective decisions of humanity regarding such matters will not be made by leaders single or plural, political or religious, military or mystic, by coercion or mob psychology." "The effective decisions can only be made by the independently thinking (emphasis is mine) and adequately informed human individuals and their telepathetically intercommunicated wisdom--the wisdom of the majority of all such human individuals--qualifying for continuance in Universe as local cosmic problem-solvers-in love with the truth and in individually spontaneous self commitment to absolute faith in the wisdom, integrity, and love of God, who seems to wish Earthian humans to survive." As we look back over these last two centuries we should be impressed not by the advancements of humanity, but by nature's resilience to our interference and attempts at manipulation. The planet will survive. 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(John Milton)// Jim Bonaparte Teacher - Founder Society of Independent Learners- HARVEST Magazine-editor- COSMOS coordinator 279 Summer Street Brockton, MA 02402-4165 COSMOS279@aol.com (508)-584-3752 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 13:01:19 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DOME MANUFACTURERS GEODESIC DOME MANUFACTURERS Note: Please feel free to add, delete and/or update this list. Aluminum Geodesic Spheres (AGS) Verified: Summer 1994 4019 West Park Road Edwin O'Toole Hollywood, FL 33021 Tel: 305-625-9436 Fax: - American Ingenuity Verified: Fall 1994 8777 Holiday Springs Road ? Rockledge, FL 32955-5805 Tel: 407-639-8777 Fax: 407-639-8778 Planning kit $8; Video $8; EPS Foam covered w/concrete Shells Cascade Domes Verified: ? P.O. Box 1977 ? Florence, OR 97439 Tel: Fax: Dome Kits, Aluminum frames; $12 for catalog Domes America Verified: ? 6345 West Jolie Road ? Countryside, IL 60525 Tel: 708-579-9400 Fax: DomEstic Designs Verified: ? P.O. Box 4203 ? Bellevue, WA 98009 Tel: Fax: Energy Structures, Inc. Verified: Summer 1994 893 Wilson Avenue Joe & Kevin Frawley St.Paul, MN 55106 Tel: 800-334-8144 Fax: 612-772-1207 Homes, Cabins & Commercial Domes Geodesic Domes, Inc. (GDI) Verified: Oct 1990 10290 Davison Road Carlos McCarter Davison, MI 48423 Tel: 313-653-2383 Fax: Brochure $8; Wood kits Geodesic Domes & Homes Verified: ? 608 Highway 110 North Ray Howard North Whitehouse, TX 75791 Tel: 903-839-2000 Fax: Info packet $12 GeoDomes Woodworks Verified: Summer 1994 6876 Indiana Avenue, Suite L Bob Davies & Glenn Van Doren Riverside, CA 92514 Tel: 909-787-8800 Fax: 909-787-7089 Home Planning Guide $15; Wood kits starting at $10,000 Hexadome Verified: Summer 1992 P.O. Box 2351 Gene Hopster La Mesa, CA 91943 Tel: Fax: Free Video; Wood kits Hexadome of Alabama Verified: Summer 1994 2509 Gatepost Circle ? Birmingham, AL 35214 Tel: Fax: - Key Dome Verified: 4-95 P.O. Box 430253 Peter Vanderklaaw Miami, FL 33143 Tel: 305-665-3541 Fax: 305-667-1256 Dome plans/blueprints $54 to $200;Plywood panels & EPS foam w/concrete shell KingDomes Verified: Winter 92-3 P.O. Box 980427 Einar Thorstein Houston, TX 77098 Tel: Fax: EDC Booklet $30 (European design, 163 solutions, kits, math) Monolithic Constructors, Inc. Verified: 4-95 P.O. Box 479 ? Italy, TX 76651 Tel: 800-608-0001 Fax: $19.95 video; Free brochure; Concrete Domes Nation's Hoop Carpenters Verified: Summer 1994 P.O. Box 45 Steven J. Kennedy Boyertown, PA 19512 Tel: 215-870-9443 Metal, wood & cement domes Natural Space Domes Verified: 4-95 37955 Bridge Road, Dennis & Janet Johnson North Branch, MN 55056 Tel: 800-733-7107 Fax: "All About Domes" $3; Video; Wood kits; Dome building classes Northface Verified: ? 999 Harrison Court Hal Klopp & Bruce Hamilton Berkeley, CA 94710 Tel: 415-527-9700 Fax: Tents Oregon Dome, Inc. Verified: Summer 1994 3215 Meadow Lane Roger & Linda Boothe Eugene, OR 97402 Tel: 503-689-3443 Fax: $12 for catalog Pond-Brook Products Verified: ? P.O. Box 301 Gladys Payne Franklin Lakes, NJ 07412 Tel: Fax: Hexa-Pent Dome Plans $20 Precision Structures Verified: Jan 1990 2566 Potter Street ? Eugene, OR 97405 Tel: Fax: $34.95 for book; "Professional Dome Plans"; See Mother Earth News, 1-90 Semispheres Verified: ? 1505 Webster Street ? Richmond, VA 23220 Tel: 804-643-3184 Fax: ugly looking! Shelter Systems Verified: 5-95 P.O. Box 1294 Bob Gillis Capitola, CA 95010 Tel: 408-457-1153 Fax: Send $1 for info; Large dome tents, greenhouses, etc. Stromberg's Chicks & Gamebirds Verified: ? P.O. Box 400 ? Pine River, 4, MN 56474 Tel: 218-587-2222 Fax: $39.95 for Starplate struts to build a dome shed/greenhouse up to 14' diam Temcor Verified: ? 2825 Toledo Street Don Richter Torrance, CA 90503 Tel: Fax: Large aluminum commercial domes Timberline Geodesics Verified: 4-95 2015 Blake Street Robert M. Singer Berkeley, CA 94704 Tel: 800-DOME-HOME Fax: 510-849-3265 $12 for catalog; Video Tape $15; Wood kits Topsider Homes Verified: ? P.O. Box 848 ? Yadkinville, NC 27055 Tel: 910-766-9300 Fax: Round homes, not domes For further information see: Thomas Register of American Manufacturers Verified: 1994 One Penn Plaza New York, NY 10001 Tel: 212-695-0500 Fax: See Volumes 1-10: Products & Services (in most libraries) National Association of Dome Manufacturers Verified: Summer 1994 2506 Gross Point Road ? Evanston, IL 60201 Tel: Fax: - National Dome Council Verified: ? 15th & "M" Streets, NW ? Washington, DC 20005 Tel: 202-822-0576 - DOME (magazine) Verified: Summer 1994 4401 Zepher Stret Donald R. Hoflin Wheat Ridge, CO 80033 Tel: 303-934-5656 Fax: Quarterly; $40/yr; excellent -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 06:06:38 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Davis Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: Re: Scheherazade Number "< Tagdi>" wrote: >>says in Cosmograpy that it will take a powerful computer to do the >>recalc ppg. 68-69. He predicts that "all results are in >>whole-rational-number increments (without any decimal fractions), we >>can then assume taht all scientific calculations could be reworked >>with this comprehensive dividend base." ...." ...all calculations >>should always be resolvable in whole rational integers." > what do you mean by all scientific calculation could be reworked ? not my words, Bucky's on page 69. Think about whole rational integers and the non-use of pi. Synergetics arrives at same results in all geometries and physically modelable mathematics but using totally visible geometry. Would not a geometry that includes all possible geometries be called a "generalized principle"? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 09:53:55 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Fuller X-To: Lee Butler In-Reply-To: ; from "Lee Butler" at May 14, 95 6:28 am Lee, I received your e-mail. The essence of the problem as I see it is that up to now there were not enough resources to support all humans; therefore some way had to be found to decide who got what (politics). But now we know better. We now have the knowledge to theoretically stretch the resources to serve everyone ("doing more with less"), and therefore politics is potentially obsolete. However, we are not there, yet. We still have to find a way to implement a bunch of inventions that are just sitting on the shelf ready to go. The question is How? It doesn't seem logical to me to do so through politics. Therefore, we must find some other way. Maybe we won't; maybe evolution will force us to choose through a series of crises, as seems to be what's happening. Every morning I awake to wonder what today's crisis will be. I see it as a problem of education; that's why I'm on the internet. We all must try to do what we can, given our particular set of circumstances. Me? I'm pumping Bucky info into the electronic public domain where it is available globally as fast as I can. Sincerely, Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 10:03:56 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: AUTO ENGINE DOING MORE WITH LESS: AUTO ENGINES In the doing-more-with-less category there is a magazine article about a new automobile engine developed by NASA that is smaller, lighter, and has more power. Fuel efficiency is 20% higher and NOX emissions are cut by 40%. NEW CONVENTIONAL SIZE in inches 16 long x 15 wide 24 long x 28 wide WEIGHT in pounds 100 200 HORSEPOWER 200 200 For further info (with pic) see: "Space-Plane Makers Building Flyweight V8", Popular Mechanics, 4-95, page 9 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 10:04:48 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: MUSICAL DOME SPHERICAL TENSEGRITY VIOLIN For those interested in music there are three magazine articles about a musical geodesic dome. They are about a fellow who built in effect a spherical violin tensegrity musical dome in 1974. For further info see: "The Birth of Gordome", DOME, Spring 1992, pages ? "My Involvement with Domes", DOME, Summer 1992, pages 16-8 "Gordome--A Prehistory", DOME, Summer 1992, page 19 Geo-Built Tent Rentals Verified: Summer 1992 1420 Kiser Lake Road Charles E. Leet St.Paris, OH 43072 Tel: 513-663-5017 Fax: - -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 14:30:38 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: A high-performance, cost-effective, solar-heated pool [update] [I'm posting this here because, altho this is not much about Bucky, it seems to me that a number of people on this list may not have USENET News access, eg to alt.solar.thermal, and might be interested in this subject anyhow, and might have the math/physics ability to deal with it. Bucky might have liked this idea, perhaps on a larger scale, since plastic film greenhouses are fairly ephemeral, and the plastic only needs changing every three years or so, which takes an hour or two, and the polyethylene is recyclable...] Solar pool heating should be easy, since temperatures are low, it is usually done only in mild weather, and there is a large inherent water heat battery. The May/June issue of Solar Today, published by the American Solar Energy Society, has a primer on conventional solar pool heating that says: "In many areas of the country, solar pool heating is the most economically attractive solar technology available today." But there is still room for improvement, especially for year-round heating. Yesterday, a physics teacher told me about a remarkable house that was next to a swimming pool, which was under a conventional greenhouse. In winter, the engineer/owner pumped some of the swimming pool water into the house, to heat the house. This was done years ago, in PA, and it's probably all gone now, along with the engineer. I wonder how it worked. A water-source heat pump? Here is one way to heat a pool: 1. Buy a 15 x 30' rectangular steel pool from J C Penny, for about $2000. Or build one out of 2 x 6s, with ferrocement over 4' wide chicken wire. 2. Make a 15 x 30' rigid pool cover out of 2" of beadboard and 2 x 4s, with a layer of Thermo-ply or perhaps 3M SA-85 solar film or foil-faced foamboard underneath, sprayed with clear urethane, shiny side down, and another layer of Thermo-ply on top, shiny side up. This would be hinged along the 30' north edge of the pool, with a few counterweights hanging over that edge. Put an R1 solar pool cover underneath. 3. Buy a 21' x 36' commercial plastic film greenhouse with extra-long ground stakes, for about $1000, from Stuppy at (800) 877-5025 or E C Geiger at (800) 432-9434, and put it up over the pool. Or build an A-frame over the pool, with Dynaglas for the south side and ferrocement over kerfed 16' 2 x 4s, on 4' centers, for the curved north side. Attach a $139 1/3 HP Sears garage door opener with all of its safety features and limit switches to the top of the greenhouse, to lift up the pool cover to an angle of about 45 degrees, when the sun is shining and the pool needs heat. Why this should work: In the Philadelphia area, in January, the average amount of sun that comes into the greenhouse, Ein, is about 12' (height) x 36' x 1000 Btu/ft^2/day, ie 430K Btu/day, over about 6 hours, ie 72K Btu/hour. The average outdoor temp in this area in January is about 30F. Say the pool is kept at 80F, in January, and the dry ground under the pool has an R-value of 10, for downward heatflow, and an average temperature of 50F, and the sides of the pool are covered with an inch of R4 beadboard. Let's find out what the greenhouse air temperature, Tg, is at night. Assume the greenhouse is covered with plastic film with an R-value of 1, and the pool cover has an R-value of 12, when it is closed. Here is an electrical analog, ignoring the bottom of the pool: Rtop (night) Tg Rg 80F-------wwww-----------|-----wwww-----30F | | | Rsides | ----wwww----------- pool------->|<----greenhouse---->|<---outdoors Rtop (night) = R12/(15 x 30) = 0.02666... Rsides = R4/360 ft^2 = 0.01111..., and Rg = R1/(area of endwalls + area of half cylinder) = R1/(pi x (21'/2)^2 + pi x 21' x 36' / 2) = 0.00065. This simplifies to a schematic like this: Rp (night) Tg Rg 80F-------wwww-----------|-----wwww-----30F where Rp (night) is the resistance of Rtop (night) and Rsides in parallel, ie Rp (night) = 1/(1/Rtop (night) + 1/Rsides) = 0.00784. To find Tg at night, we can use Ohm's law for heatflow to first find the heatflow from the pool to the outdoors, (80-30)/(Rp (night) + Rg) = 5887 Btu/hour. Then multiply that by Rg, to find the temperature drop across the plastic film walls of the greenhouse, which is 5887 x 0.00065 = 3.83F. Tg is this number plus 30F, ie, Tg = 30 + 3.83 = 33.83F, just above freezing. The pool's solar heat gain during the day depends on the air temperature in the greenhouse when the sun is shining, and an analogous electrical circuit looks like this: Rtop (day) Tg Rg 80F-------wwww-----------|-----wwww-----30F | | | Rsides | | --- |----wwww-----------| | |---|-->|----| | | --- | | 60K w --- Btu/hr w Rbot | ^ | 12K w | | | Btu/hr | --- | | 50F --- - The sun is a current source, putting most of its energy into the pool, ie, I'm assuming that all of the energy that falls on the underside of the raised cover, 12' high x 30' long x 1000 Btu/day over 6 hours, or 60K Btu/hr, is reflected down into the pool (this assumption is dubious, because the aluminum foil face of Thermo-Ply is not like a mirror, and also because some of the morning and afternoon sun gets reflected sideways, not down into the pool.) The sun that doesn't fall on the bottom of the cover puts another 12K Btu/hour into the greenhouse itself. The schematic above can be simplified, in order to find the greenhouse air temperature Tg, by ignoring the sun going into the pool directly, and ignoring the heat loss from the bottom of the pool, for the moment, since we assumed that the pool temperature is 80 degrees. With the pool cover open, Rtop (day) = R1/(15' x 30') = 0.00222... This leads to the simplified schematic below: Rp (day) Tg Rg 80F-------wwww-----------|-----wwww-----30F | | --- | ^ | 12K | | | Btu/hr --- | --- - where Rp (day) = 1/(1/Rtop (day) + 1/Rsides) = 1/(450 + 90) = 0.00185. This can be further simplified by removing the sun for a moment, to find an equivalent circuit (Thevenin) for what is left of the circuit above: Rp (day) Tg Rg 80F-------wwww----------|-----wwww----30F In the equivalent circuit below, the resistance Rt is the parallel combination of Rp (day) and Rg, ie Rt = 1/(1/Rp (day) + 1/Rg) = 1/(540 + 1538) = 0.000502. Rt Tg Tt-------wwww----------| Tt is the Thevinin equivalent temperature. To find Tt, we can find the heatflow out of the pool again, (80-30)/(Rp (day) + Rg) = 20K Btu/hr, and multiply that by Rg to find the temperature difference across the plastic film wall of the greenhouse again, 20K Amps x .00065 Ohms = 13 volts, oops, degrees, and add that to the outside temperature of 30 degrees, so Tt = 43F. Now let's turn the sun back on: Rt Tg 43F-------wwww----------| | | --- | ^ | 12K | | | Btu/hr --- | --- - The greenhouse air temperature Tg is 43F plus the temperature drop across Rt, ie Tg = Tt + Rt x 12K Btu/hr = 43 + 0.000502 x 12K = 49.2 degrees F. So the air in the greenhouse will be rather cool when the sun is shining, since most of the sun's heat will be going into the pool. This is efficient. Probably OK for swimming too. I swam comfortably in Alberta, in a 98F outdoor pool, with -12F air. When the floating pool cover is off, the greenhouse air temp will go up, and there may be a fog on the plastic film walls of the greenhouse. Will the pool be able to stay at 80 degrees F, with the assumptions thus far? Will Dudley Doright save Nell from the clutches of Snidely Whiplash? Let's plug in the greenhouse air temperature that we just calculated, and see if the pool will be gaining or losing heat, if the greenhouse air is 49.2F: Rtop (day) 49.2 Rg 80F-------wwww-----------|-----wwww-----30F | | | Rsides | | --- |----wwww-----------| | |---|-->|----| | | --- | | 60K w --- Btu/hr w Rbot | ^ | 12K w | | | Btu/hr | --- | | 50F --- - Or more simply: Rtop (day) 49.2 80F-------wwww-----------| | | | Rsides | | --- |----wwww-----------| | |---|-->|----| | --- | 60K w Btu/hr w Rbot w | | 50F Or still more simply: Rp (day) 49.2F 80F-------wwww-----------| | | where Rp (day) = .00185 | --- | | |---|-->|----| | --- | 60K w Btu/hr w Rbot = R10/(15' x 30') = 0.0222... w | | 50F In the above situation, 60K Btu/hour of heat from the sun is flowing into the pool, and (80-50)/Rbot = 1350 Btu/hour is flowing from the pool bottom into the ground, and (80-49.2)/Rp (day) = 16.6K Btu/hour is flowing from the open pool top and sides into the greenhouse, so the pool will gain heat at a rate of 60K - 16.6K - 1.35K = 42K Btu/hour on an average January day, with some sun, ie it will gain about 6 x 42K = 252K Btu, on an average January day. How much heat will the pool lose on an average January day? 6 hours x 16.6K = 100K, from the top and sides during daylight, + 18 hours x 5887 Btu/hour = 106K, from the top and sides at night, + 24 hours x 1350 Btu/hour = 32.4K, from the bottom into the ground. Since the sum of the pool's daily losses is 238K Btu, which is less than the pool's daily heat gain of 252K Btu, we should be able to keep the pool at 80F. If the 12,000 gallon pool were closed up, while the sun didn't shine for a few days, it would initially lose heat at a rate of about 24 x 5887 = 141K Btu/day through the top and sides, and 32K Btu/day through the bottom, so the water temperature in the pool would initially decrease by about (141K + 32K Btu)/(12,000 gal x 8lb/gal) = 1.8 degrees F per day. Possible enhancements include a white surface or a reflecting pond on the ground along the south edge of the greenhouse, a layer of vertical glazing along the 30' south side of the pool, tomato plants, an indoor herb garden, orange trees, lights, fountains, music, insulation for the north greenhouse roof, and an extra layer of glazing or UV-transparent Tedlar film for the south side, to allow tanning in January. This might also make a good sewage treatment system, with some venting. In that case, one might combine it with house heating, and use a higher temperature, with 3 $600 1500 gallon rectangular septic tanks, plumbed in series, with a sealed transparent plastic film cover and a movable rigid cover over that. Who will be the first to try this...? Nick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 08:23:40 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: Re: hexplane icosa X-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199505150621.AA25409@unix.nets.com>; from "chardhawk@nets.com" at May 15, 95 12:22 am chardhawk@nets.com writes: > > For those interested in the hexplane icosa, I have uploaded 2 other files: > > ftp.teleport.com/in.coming/hexplane_icosa3. JPEG.hqx > > This one shows a view down the axis of spin. The purple-colored vectors > which are part of the hexplanepents interconnect in the overall structure to > form large pentagons. This can be more easily seen in the new spinning > version: > > > ftp.teleport.com/in.coming/hpi.MOV > > Richard Hawkins (chardhawk@nets.com) > > .- > Richard, Will there be a permanent FTP site where all your pics, etc. will be collected, organized and available for downloading? I understand the teleport site is temporary because limited in storage space. Joe PS: Bucky would be proud of you! -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 08:28:13 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: IRC @ Sunday 09:30 (zone GMT -7) X-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199505150640.XAA11637@desiree.teleport.com>; from "Kirby Urner" at May 14, 95 11:39 pm Kirby Urner writes: > > At 12:22 AM 5/15/95 -0500, synergetics-l@teleport.com wrote: > >For those interested in the hexplane icosa, I have uploaded 2 other files: > > > > ftp.teleport.com/in.coming/hexplane_icosa3. JPEG.hqx > > > >This one shows a view down the axis of spin. The purple-colored vectors > >which are part of the hexplanepents interconnect in the overall structure to > >form large pentagons. This can be more easily seen in the new spinning > >version: > > > > > >ftp.teleport.com/in.coming/hpi.MOV > > > >Richard Hawkins (chardhawk@nets.com) > > > > > > FYI: Richard and I had a fine 9:30 PST (GMT -7) IRC chat about his > use of interwoven hexagons to make "nests" for icosahedra. I was > able to pull up Richard's excellent pictures in a window, and > have a real time chat with the master about them, getting my > questions answered. A real internet high, which left me feeling > good about the educational possibilities of this network. Nothing > better than a one-on-one interview with the design scientist author > to clear up lingering questions (of course more questions linger > after the interview ends, but that's life). > > I highly encourage IRC chatting times as a good way to share news > (Richard and I also talked about the implosion of BFI). > > Kirby > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: IRC @ Sunday 09:30 (zone GMT -7) X-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <0LAuvAFIBh107h@tacit.xs4all.nl>; from "Gerald de Jong" at May 15, 95 9:42 pm Gerald de Jong writes: > > In <199505150640.XAA11637@desiree.teleport.com> pdx4d@teleport.com (Kirby Urne r) writes: > > >FYI: Richard and I had a fine 9:30 PST (GMT -7) IRC chat about... > > ahem.. a little early in the AM for me. :) > > >I highly encourage IRC chatting times as a good way to share news > > Karl and i chatted at 5pm sunday, my time, for an hour. also good. > > >(Richard and I also talked about the implosion of BFI). > > say what? is BFI crumbling? just at the beginning of the > age when Bucky will be rediscovered? we could group together > and create a brilliant Bucky CD-ROM title, you know. > > > -- > * gerald_de_jong/rotterdam * http://www.xs4all.nl/~gdj * > .- > For everyone's information Blaine D'Amico e-mailed me (can e-mail be a verb?) that he is as we "speak" putting together a CD of the best of both the Geodesic and Synergetics lists. His address is damico@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 10:37:56 -0400 Reply-To: Vmountain Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Vmountain Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: DOME MANUFACTURERS Thanks, Joe! I had gotten several email request to put my card file up as ASCII, but you beat me to it, plus added some I did't know about. Bruce Carroll Virtual Mountain Fitzwilliam, NH ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 09:20:41 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: EXAMPLES X-cc: Synergetics List If anyone spots any good examples of Doing-more-with-less would they please post them? Thanks, Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 09:55:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: FTP CD BFI X-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com >For everyone's information Blaine D'Amico e-mailed me (can e-mail be a verb?) >that he is as we "speak" putting together a CD of the best of both the >Geodesic and Synergetics lists. His address is damico@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu > >Joe > CD, FTP: Blaine also felt he had a reasonably good chance of securing a hefty volume of FTP space thru his job, which could serve as a more permanent space for Richard's work and many other synergetics resources. I'm wishing Blaine luck on getting that space. BFI: My understanding is BFI no longer has any full time staff. Out of money. I don't know the implications vis-a-vis ordering catalog items etc., or scheduled events which BFI planned to host. I suppose we will be hearing more soon. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: " Subject: Re: EXAMPLES >If anyone spots any good examples of Doing-more-with-less would they please >post them? : this very good idea, fuller listed all the discoveries earlly in his : life and later, and he found that in the begining of the century : scientest new very little, what is it in the 1920's bohr found : the orbits, the radar was not yet worked out, radio was so heavy : the cars where one model. : we have to know alot of special cases to be able to make connection : i can not think of many examples now. : phosphte lambs which uses fraction of energy using tubes,supplying light like water( new scientest) : i do not know end resulte of quantum computer development sorry i have not focoused on these invention but this will give us a start. :fuel cell, solar collector, watch video monitor. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 11:14:46 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: ll Subject: Bucky Fuller on the Global Energy Grid Dear GENI Friend, "The global energy grid is the World Game's highest priority objective." Ten years ago, this sentence from "Critical Path" (page 206) launched the GENI project. Because of your support, many energy planners and policy makers around the world are now aware of this powerful vision and are advocating projects on every continent. Buckminster Fuller, the source of this vision, would have been 100 years old this July 12, 1995. To honor and give tribute to the man called "the Leonardo Da Vinci of our century", GENI is co-hosting a three day Centennial Symposium and Celebration in San Diego. Bucky said the we were all born geniuses -- but damaged in our youth by our environment and societal ignorance of humanity's option to make it. With this event, we invite you to "Rediscover the GENIus in us all." You will get to play the World Game -- and engage in the fundamental question: "How do we make the world work for 100% of humanity in the shortest possible time through spontaneous cooperation without ecological damage or the disadvantage to anyone." Study with the students and business people who worked side-by-side with Bucky in all his interests: cartography, mathematics, architecture, energy, education, transport, atomic structures -- learn why "comprehensive anticipatory design science" is essential. In previous issues of this newsletter, you have heard from many global experts about the validity of linking electrical systems between regions. Today, we offer you the insights from Buckminster Fuller directly. His quotations make clear the elegance and efficiency of this global solution -- and why he called the energy grid the world's highest priority objective. Invitations have circled the globe, and our new Home Page (http://www.geni.org/) is available to all on the internet. Come join us in San Diego. Like never before, this is an opportunity to study the genius and vision of Dr. Fuller. It will change your life forever. In partnership, Peter Meisen President R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER ON THE GLOBAL ENERGY GRID "Graphs of each of the world's 150 nations showing their twentieth-century histories of inanimate energy production per capita of their respective populations together with graphs of those countries' birthrates show without exception that the birthrates decrease at exactly the same rate that the per capita consumption of inanimate electrical energy increases. The world's population will stop increasing when and if the integrated world electrical energy grid is realized. This grid is the World Game's highest priority objective." Critical Path, 1981, Fuller and Kuromiya "I have summarized my discovery of the option of humanity to become omnieconomically and sustainably successful on our planet while phasing out forever all use of fossil fuels and atomic energy generation other than the Sun. I have presented my plan for using our increasing technical ability to construct high-voltage , superconductive transmission lines and implement an around-the-world electrical energy grid integrating the daytime and nighttime hemispheres, thus swiftly increasing the operating capacity of the world's electrical energy system and, concomitantly, living standard in an unprecedented feat of international cooperation." Cosmosgraphy, 1993, Fuller and Kuromiya When Buckminster Fuller was asked by a 12 year old boy, "How would you suggest solving international problems without violence?" he answered: "I always try to solve problems by some artifact, some tool or invention that makes what people are doing obsolete, so that it makes this particular kind of problem no longer relevant. My answer would be to develop a world energy grid, an electric grid where everybody is on the same grid. All of a sudden there would be no problems any more, no international troubles. Our new economic basis wouldn't be gold or dollars; it would be kilowatt hours." Fuller's Earth, 1983, Richard Brenneman "Because energy is wealth, the integrating world industrial networks promise ultimate access of all humanity everywhere to the total operative commonwealth of earth." Utopia or Oblivion, 1969, Fuller "This now feasible, intercontinental network Would integrate America, Asia and Europe And integrate the night-and-day, spherically cycling Shadow-and-light zones of Planet Earth And this would occasion the 24-hour use Of the now only fifty per cent of the time used World-around standby generator capacity Whose fifty per cent unused capacities Heretofore were mandatorily required Only for peakload servicing of local non-interconnected energy users. Such intercontinental network integration Would overnight double the already-installed and in-use, Electric power generating capacity of our Planet." Telegram to Senator Edmund Muskie Earth, Inc., 1973, Fuller (UPDATED 5/15/95) FOR COMPLETE INFORMATION ON THE "BUCKY EVENT" AND GENI SEE: http://www.geni.org/ BUCKMINSTER FULLER'S CENTENNIAL SYMPOSIUM AND CELEBRATION "Rediscovering the GENIus in us all" July 14-16, 1995 San Diego, California A World that Works for Everyone! Is it Possible? Buckminster Fuller, the ,"Leonardo deVinci of our time" conceived it. Come Celebrate this unique visionary's 100th Birthday Celebration See and experience what he did. July 14- 16, 1995 San Diego, California ABOUT BUCKMINSTER FULLER As a pioneer in whole systems thinking and design, Fuller referred to himself as a Comprehensive Anticipatory Design Scientist for "Spaceship Earth". He devoted his life to developing solutions to global problems which did "more with less" based upon the design principles of nature. Among the results were Synergetic Geometry, the geodesic dome, The Dymaxion Map, Car, House and World Game. A prolific author of 20 books and thousands of articles, Fuller received 47 Honorary Doctorates and numberous awards including the Gold Medal from the American Institute of Architects and the Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award given by the government of the United States. "For the first time in the history of humanity, it is evident that there is enough of the fundamental metabolic and mechanical energy sustenance for everybody to survive at high living standards" Buckminster Fuller Discover, experience and participate in: WORLD GAME --Play on the world's largest and most accurate map -- the Dymaxion Map scaled to 70' by 35'. Stride a gymnasium-size map full of global citizens, developing strategies and working together to solve the world's problems. FILM FESTIVAL -- Attend screenings of Buckminster Fuller films -- hear Bucky speak and relive his life's work so you can use his teachings in your own life. "BUCKY FOR KID'S" -- Build Tensegrity Structures (nature's own building blocks) and Dymaxion Domes -- Learn the basics of "Synergetics" and Buckyballs. Introduce tommorow's leaders to the ideas that are shaping their future. BOOKSTORE -- View Bucky's artifacts, exhibits and books -- the gifts Bucky left for all of us. CONCERT -- Enjoy an evening of musical greats who share Bucky's vision for the world. DYMAXION CAR -- View this lightweight, fuel efficient automobile, built in 1933. Next to the model T's of the time, this car design will amaze you. EXPERT PANELS -- Hear personal stories and lifelong lessons from people who carry on Bucky's work today. This event will engage you in the question that Bucky lived by: "If the success or failure of this planet, and of human beings depended on how I am and what I do; How would I be? What would I do?" For further information -- or to register for this once in a lifetime historic event: Name _________________________________________________________ Address_______________________________________________________ City_______________________ State______Zip_____ Country___________ Tel _________________ Fax _________________ E-mail_______________ Registration Fees: For all Symposium/Centennial Events: By June 15, 1995 ----> $150.00 By July 13, 1995 ----> $175.00 On Site ----------------> $200.00 Individual Events: Opening Ceremony ----> $25.00 World Game ------------> $50.00 Seminars (Saturday) ---> $50.00 Seminars (Sunday) -----> $50.00 Benefit Concert ---------> $30.00 Elementary through College students are half price on all events except concert. Scholarships available. E-Mail, FAX or send check or credit card information to: GENI (Global Energy Network International) 425 West "B" Street, Suite B-11 San Diego, CA 92101 USA Tel: (619)595-0139 Fax: (619)595-0403 E-mail:geni@cerf.net (GENI is a non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation) Hotel accommodations in San Diego (ask for special rate before June 15); Best Western Bayside Horton Grand Hotel 555 West Ash Street, (downtown) 311 Island Avenue, (downtown) (619) 233-7500 (619) 544-1886 FAX: (619) 239-8060 FAX: (619) 239-3823 ********************************************************************** DESCRIPTION A three day event to celebrate the 100th Birthday of R. Buckminster Fuller, the "Leonardo Da Vinci of our time." Events to include: Opening Ceremony and Reception, several World Game presentations, Benefit Concert, Film Festival, Bucky for Kids children's festival, Exhibits, Seminars and Panel Discussions. Confirmed Sponsors Auto Trader Magazines Critical Path Project Diego and Son Printing Robert Driver Insurance Company Global Energy Network International HPCwire KNSD TV Channel 39 The Light Connection National University Peace Resource Center of San Diego Reuben H. Fleet Space Theater San Diego AIA (Architects) San Diego Earth Times San Diego Natural History Museum SDSU Environmental Design Dept Shapery Enterprises Society for Computer Simulation SuperCamp/Learning Forum Union Bank Windstar World Affairs Council In cooperation with the Buckminster Fuller Institute BACKGROUND R. Buckminster Fuller, Jr. was born in Milton, Massachusetts, on July 12, 1895. He is best known for inventing the Geodesic dome, the most famous example of which was the United States Pavilion at the Montreal World's Fair, Expo '67. Throughout his lifetime, Fuller introduced ground-breaking ideas in the fields of architecture, design, art, engineering, education, cartography and mathematics. Fuller called himself a "Comprehensive Anticipatory Design Scientist" -- and committed his life to finding the global strategies to make humankind "a success in the universe." Fuller believed that human evolution could best be promoted by reforming the living environment through design on all levels rather than by reforming people through economics and/or politics. His Design Science also addressed energy harvesting, transporting and food gathering, all informed by his concept of dymaxion: ever- increasing performance using ever less investment of materials. By 1983, at the end of his eighty-seven years, Fuller had written more than twenty books, held twenty-seven patents for his inventions and had received forty-seven honorary doctorate degrees and numerous awards, including the United States Medal of Freedom and the American Institute of Architects' prestigious Gold Medal Award. Core Components of the Symposium - Celebration: OPENING PANEL, BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION & CELEBRITY RECEPTION Friday evening July 14 Venue and Sponsor: UCSD Mandeville Auditorium Honorary Chair: Walter Hickel, former Governor of Alaska Format: Presentation on stage to theater audience. Several VIP guests discuss and recall Bucky's influence on their personal lives, in the world and his relevance today and into the future. * Entertainment to include: - Brief video excerpts of Bucky and his ideas shown throughout the evening - Music videos: "What One Man Can Do" (John Denver) & "Fool on the Hill" (Beatles) - Theater/Dance: Rick Perkins, dramatic presentation of Bucky and "World Game" dance piece with Dymaxion Map - Readings: co-authors Peter Wagschal, Anwar Dil, and others * Jaime (Bucky's grandson) and Allegra Snyder (Bucky's daughter) have a special tribute -- this would include personal stories from family and close friends. On film, Bucky could sing "Home, Home on a Dome" -- and everyone could then sing Happy Birthday. A toast is delivered, thanking Bucky for his vision and integrity. * A Dymaxion Birthday Cake is presented and pieces cut for all Confirmed presenters: Amy Edmondson, author "A Fuller Explanation" (of Synergetics) Kiyoshi Kuromiya, adjuvant "Critical Path" and "Cosmography" Peter Meisen, President, Global Energy Network International Eugene Ray, Chairman Environmental Design Department, SDSU Don Richter, Temcor (retired) built 5000 domes around the world Allegra Snyder, daughter of Buckminster Fuller Harold Kroto, co-founder, Buckminsterfullerene Peter Wagschal, Vice President, National University, editor with Bucky The WORLD GAMES Thursday July 13 (Children and Students) Venue: UCSD Mandeville Auditorium Sponsor: UCSD Extended Studies and Public Service Saturday July 15 (Adult and Student) Venue: SDSU Peterson Gym Sunday July 16 (VIP - local leaders) Venue: SDSU Peterson Gym Sponsor: SDSU Environmental Design Dept. The World Game is a multi-media event. The participants become the world's leaders, regional citizens, news reporters, business moguls and representatives of international organizations such as the World Bank and United Nations. Armed with the latest data, equipped with food, natural resources, money, energy, technology and military expenditures as they are distributed in the world today, players stand on the most accurate map of the world, the Bucky Dymaxion Map scaled out to 70' x 35' (the size of a basketball court). Left to negotiate with neighboring and far away nations to find global solutions for local problems, participants are quickly engaged in a fast-moving interactive simulation where global problems are identified, addressed and solved, leaving participants with a new understanding of world issues. Since they began with Buckminster Fuller over twenty years ago the World Game Institute has continued to hold this game in more than 30 countries around the world. SPECIAL GUEST SEMINARS Saturday and Sunday, July 15 - 16 Venue and Sponsor: National University * Amy Edmondson on "Fundamental Structure and Synergetics" * Kiyoshi Kuromiya and Graeme Edwards discussing "Critical Path" * Don Richter, Michael Jantzen, Eugene Ray, Peter Pearce, Jay Baldwin and others from the Architectural community on "Buildings, Domes and Environmental Design" * Harold Kroto on Buckminsterfullerenes i.e. "Buckyballs" -- the molecular breakthrough of the decade. * Peter Meisen on the "Global Electric Energy Grid" -- Bucky's number one priority for the planet from the World Game. * Wayne Morgan and Blair Singer on "Generalized Principals of Universe Applied to Business" * Barbara Marx Hubbard on the "Spiritual, Social, and Scientific Fulfilment of Buckminster Fuller's Vision through Conscious Evolution" * Video excerpts from "The Future of Business", and discussion with Randy Craft (Dr. Fuller called this video library "the most concise recapitulation of my entire life's activities ever delivered before humans to date.") Each of the above workshop/presentations are expected to be half day sessions. Given the anticipated interest, some sessions may be repeated a second time. "BUCKY FOR KIDS" -- a Children's Festival and Bookstore/Exhibit Saturday and Sunday July 15 - 16 Venue and Sponsor: San Diego Natural History Museum Two Components: 1. An Exhibit of Buckminster Fuller's Artifacts and Bookstore outside the San Diego Natural History Museum * Models, Artifacts from the Buckminster Fuller Institute * Dome and structural modellers to bring their artifacts * Fuller's books, Dymaxion Maps, etc. sold in bookstore * Display of Windstar environmental technologies * Computer Animation of the Global Energy Grid 2. A Children's festival surrounding the big tree outside the Museum to include: * Building dymaxion models and geodesic domes * Making dymaxion map puzzles and playing games with their maps *Soccer balls used to teach about Buckminsterfullerenes (Buckyballs) * Children's mural * Balloon makers creating tensegrity structures for children's hats, etc. * Face painting with dymaxion designs FILM FESTIVAL Saturday and Sunday July 15 - 16 Venue and Sponsor: Reuben H Fleet Space Theater Honorary Chair: Tony Huston, film maker Continuous screenings of: * "Buckminster Fuller and Spaceship Earth," a 60 minute tour d'force documentary on the thinking of Buckminster Fuller, produced by award winning film-maker Robert Snyder * "Ecological Design - Inventing the Future," 18 designer/architects including Dr. Fuller present ideas, prototypes and models of appropriate technology and ecological design. Produced by Chris Zelov. DYMAXION CAR Saturday and Sunday July 15 - 16 Venue and Sponsor: San Diego Automotive Museum In 1933, Buckmintster Fuller designed and built three Dymaxion Cars. They were energy efficient, lightweight, aerodynamic and recyclable. Compared to the Model Ts of the day, this automobile design was decades ahead of its time. Built by the 4D Company in Bridgeport, CT, this is the only Dymaxion car in existence today and is normally shown at the National Auto Museum in Reno, NV. We are fortunate to have this one-of-a-kind vehicle -- as one artifact that illustrates Buckminster Fuller's comprehensive anticipatory design science thinking. EVENT SYMPOSIUM/CELEBRATION PARTICIPANT COST * Registration of $150 for a three day event includes: Opening Celebration World Game Benefit Concert Film Festival Dymaxion Car Children's Festival Guest Seminars * Students pay half price * Events will also be listed and priced separately * All registrants to pay for own travel and lodging GLOBAL ENERGY NETWORK INTERNATIONAL Peter Meisen P.O.Box 81565 San Diego, CA 92138 (619) 595-0139 FAX: (619) 595-0403 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 21:20:15 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: A high-performance, cost-effective, solar-heated pool [update] 1 Q = i quintillion ( 10 to 18) Btu = 2.93 x 10 to 14 kwat world consunption 1970 .2 Q US 1.6 x trillion kwh 7,700 kwat per person /year ,which is also the average house consmption electric capacity of Us 1970 340,000 Mw , Mw = 1000 watt 2000 2,700,000 Mw diesel 1% of electric supply 100$ cost for kwatt to build (US) hydro 16% = = gas turbin 7% = = plant can be build in 6 months the above from 1974 book 1970 100,000 computers in the world reserch in military is 50% from general reserch, 1950 -60's rise in agriculture production, 70's slump 1970 workers went to offices, increase in number of unskilled workers new tech in computer came from small companies in the 60'S british labour party : must go high tech(electronics) to catch up with microelectronic world (1978) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 22:50:23 -0400 Reply-To: AMKALENAK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AMKALENAK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Fuller Politics and greed seem to me to be the problem. With the lessons and technology of Fuller and others we we have the means to feed and shelter the world. I think Joe is right; education and reinforcement of positive behavoirs may be the key. Educate people that what is good for all is good for self. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 20:48:47 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: EXAMPLES X-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: ; from "PAWARS@cgs.edu" at May 15, 95 11:01 am PAWARS@cgs.edu writes: > > WorldWideWeb-crawling using a SLIP emulator from a cheap dial-up account.. > Long distance voice phone calls using the 'Net.. > Fiberoptic cable.. > Transistors replace vacuum tubes (in most applications) > but nanotechnology might replace transistors(in the next century) > Natural medicine uses inexpensive plants/plant extracts > (replaces drugs/surgery in many cases) > Telecommuting to work instead of driving.. > Start a business in your home town instead of going to work in the city.. > the list is pretty much endless... > .- > I guess I should have been a little clearer. What I had in mind was specific references--magazine and newspaper articles, etc, etc. You cited some excellent examples, but where could a person go for more detailed info? Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 21:10:59 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY BOOKS X-To: David Morrison In-Reply-To: <199505160348.UAA01099@desiree.teleport.com>; from "David Morrison" at May 15, 95 8:48 pm Dave, I'm confused. Do you want to lend, donate or sell your Bucky books? And to whom? Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 21:21:19 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: hello X-To: Chuck Stoffregen In-Reply-To: <9505152354.AA11997@mail.madison.tec.wi.us>; from "Chuck Stoffregen" at May 15, 95 6:54 pm Chuck Stoffregen writes: > > Dear Joe, > Hi, my name is Erika Stoffregen and I am Just surfing the net. My Dad > gave me this address and I heard that you've been giving some great > information to my father about domes. He is very much apprecitive by this > grand gesture. I'm 13 years old and go to Sun Prairie middle School! It's a > great place to be I really enjoy going there. My Dad said to tell you that > I use Macintoshes in the Middle School. I think they're much easier to use > than IBM's, or any other computer for that matter. The other computer's > that are around seem to hold more things on it but it seems to work out > both ways. My dad is really into metal music and so am I! I want to talk to > a lot of people on these but my dad doesn't want to or does he have the > time I don't know. I have to go because we're leaving soon. > > Chuck Stoffregen > Computer Teacher > Madison Area Technical College > cas1276@madison.tec.wi.us > Synergy - Behavior of whole systems unpredicted by the behavior of their > parts taken seperately. R.B. Fuller > > > .- > Dear Erika, Thank you for your kind words and tell your dad that he is very welcome. Keeping all that Bucky info to myself won't help anyone, including me. I'll only benefit if everyone benefits. Selfishness is now obsolete. Sincerely, Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 08:21:27 -0300 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: FTP CD BFI Kirby-- Critical Path AIDS Project's Free-Net has been undergoing testing since it opened on April 2nd and our AIDS Web Page to go online soon. We would be happy to facilitate whatever we can. We plan on hosting a Fuller Information Exchange (FIX) Web Page sometime this summer and also have anonymous FTP space which could be used (and managed) by someone with the time and energy to do that. We could purchase additional gigabytes should the volume require it. We are currently at 8 phone lines, all US Robotics Courier 28.8 V.everything modems, and plan to expand to 16 28.8 phone lines sometime early this summer. Since we are a small operation, we mostly need qualified volunteers who simply lack equipment or know-how. We will also be purchasing CD-ROM production equipment this summer. We would be very happy to assist in any way we can to further your efforts and those of others ... of course, without stepping on any toes. We are also in contact with World Game, GENI and others. I will be attending the GENI Bucky 100 event in San Diego during mid-July. --Kiyoshi kiyoshi@critpath.org >>For everyone's information Blaine D'Amico e-mailed me (can e-mail be a verb?) >>that he is as we "speak" putting together a CD of the best of both the >>Geodesic and Synergetics lists. His address is damico@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu >> >>Joe >> > >CD, FTP: Blaine also felt he had a reasonably good chance of securing >a hefty volume of FTP space thru his job, which could serve as a more >permanent space for Richard's work and many other synergetics resources. >I'm wishing Blaine luck on getting that space. > >BFI: My understanding is BFI no longer has any full time staff. Out >of money. I don't know the implications vis-a-vis ordering catalog >items etc., or scheduled events which BFI planned to host. I suppose >we will be hearing more soon. > >Kirby > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU >Email: pdx4d@teleport.com >Web: > > >we're going to have to band together, folks, and create some > >impressive.... thing... to revive Bucky in the world's mind. > .. > >-- > >* gerald_de_jong/rotterdam * http://www.xs4all.nl/~gdj * > > > > how is that CD-ROM project going ? > > If I recall correctly, I offered my help if so desired to > the guy posting on geodesic-l but didn't here back from him yet. > I have a CD recorder and all other stuff to make a CD (including > about the lowest duplication costs available in tinseltown) but I do > not have the time, knowledge, resources to make some comprehensive > work by myself alone. > > Perhaps, we could make it kind of together as a collection of > Web pages that would then create the CD-ROM which could in turn > be used to prep up BFI. > > My concern with BFI was that it seemed to me that the main guy > doing it, was doing it as kind of a 9-5 job mon-fri. Flemming and > I were planning to fly out to Santa Barbara and spend a day there > at the Institute and we both offered our help. But no go on a > weekend... hmm, don't know what to think of it... > > Joachim > > > > ********************************** > ** Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD ** > ** Internet: jhs@newciv.org ** > ** WWW http://www.newciv.org/ ** > ** CompuServe 71762,1757 ** > ********************************** > > .- > Joachim, The person who is doing the Bucky PD CD is Blaine D'Amico (damico@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu). I believe he works for a university in Washington, DC, in it's library and has access to their computer lab for free (?). Apparently he also has the necessary skills to put the thing together. I have come to these conclusions based on his postings; I could be wrong. Why don't you drop him a note. Maybe he could use some volunteers. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 08:48:16 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FYI RE PATENTS A copy of any USA patent may be purchased from the Patent and Trademark Office, Washington, DC 20231, for $3. Just tell them which patent numbers you want. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:20:04 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: BUCKY BOOKS FOR SALE X-To: David Morrison In-Reply-To: <199505161626.JAA03668@desiree.teleport.com>; from "David Morrison" at May 16, 95 9:26 am David Morrison writes: > > >Dave, > > > >I'm confused. Do you want to lend, donate or sell your Bucky books? And to > >whom? > > > >Joe > > > > > >-- > > > >JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 > >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain . > > > >I have a group I would like to sell to anyone interested. I am a book > dealer. Some of the papers are from his foundation and the books were > inscribed to a woman who was some big wig in uniceff: D'arcy Haymen. The > books are very wamrly inscribed. If interested let me know and I can fax you > a list. Thanks. DM > > .- > Better yet, would you mind posting a list to the Synergetics list & also the Geodesics list (if you subscribe). I can't afford to buy any more Bucky books at the moment (I have 50 already!), but I'm sure there are others out there who can and want to buy certain books, such as 'Synergetics II'. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:29:57 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Synergetics: Table of Contents - my book (fwd) PAWARS@cgs.edu writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Tue May 16 11:13:44 1995 > From: PAWARS@cgs.edu > Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:11:40 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Synergetics: Table of Contents - my book > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Message-id: <01HQKHFPMM8I8WWHW4@cgs.edu> > X-VMS-To: IN%"synergetics-l@teleport.com" > MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > > TABLE OF CONTENTS > > CONSIDERATION ONE: THE CIRCLE > Point One: Circles: Your Money and Your Life > Point One: Going Nowhere > Point Three: Nature's Graphics System > Point Four: Polyhedron > Point Five: Stability, Balance and Feedback > Point Six: Timelessness > Point Seven: The Final Zero > Point Eight: Holes > Point Nine: Recycling > Point Ten: Language, Recursion, Mathematics, and Artificial > Intelligence > Point Eleven: Accelerating Change and Society > Point Twelve: Ending The Circles > CONSIDERATION TWO: THE CROSS > Point One: Working Together > Point Two: Gravity and Love > Point Three: Bringing Ivory Tower Dwellers Back to Reality > Point Four: Rebuilding and Repairing > Point Five: Medicine, Biotechnology, Elders, and Immortality > Point Six: Spreading the Secret > Point Seven: Awareness, Comprehension, and Knowing > Point Eight: Efficient and Superior Lifestyle Technologies > Point Nine: New Opportunities Opened by The Secret > Point Ten: The Secret Unification of Physics > Point Eleven: Social Webs and the Thread of Unification > Point Twelve: Constructing Superior Communities > CONSIDERATION THREE: THE DASH > Point One: Space and the Potential > Point Two: Mass and the Past > Point Three: Energy and the Future > Point Four: Time and the Actual > CONSIDERATION FOUR: THE SPIRAL > Point One: Spacetime: Circle or Spiral? > Point Two: Why Is Life So Hard? > Point Three: Making Money with Your Life > Point Four: The Final Exam > Point Five: What To Do > Point Six: The Secret > SAMPLE > [...=deleted] The purpose of this book is > to...comprehend...our Universe. Once a person > understands...that person will be better equipped to take > advantage of the global phase change...Mathematical > philosophers have argued that no single system can describe > reality. That is why there are four separate systems of > systems whose interaction creates reality...book is divided > into four parts or Considerations, one for each system of > systems. Each system has a corresponding polyhedron from > [Buckminster] Fuller's Synergetics,...each Consideration > has...number of Points...POINT EIGHT...LIFESTYLES...geodesic > dome offers a far superior lifestyle compared to standard > housing, but...reflect the sad state of our society... > in most so-called "civilized" areas of the world. Cheaper, > more efficient, and stronger than conventional housing...has > beautiful acoustics...music or conversation...There are also many > other forms of superior alternative housing. > But...A completely new approach...Intelligence is part of the > solution. Throwing more money and putting in more security > is only treating the symptoms -bad medicine...multicultural > communities must be developed the way the human body > develops - as a harmonious, integrated entity...THE ULTIMATE > COMPUTER...will one day be a tiny chunk...that uses beams of > energy for power and I/O. We don't have to wait > for...quantum logic and optical processors...because I am > proposing a technology-independent design...the "Control+" > unit...may be replaceable by a properly designed neural > network...gives us the opportunity to build-in more fault > tolerance and self-repair...SOFTWARE...we can derive systems > from the universal field of understanding (Consideration > One, Point 10)...Using this approach, the equation-words are > turned into autonomous programs whose inputs and outputs can > be...NEURAL NETWORK...cells would be hollow shells of the > VE, imbedded in a transparent medium, such as plastic or > quartz. The square faces of the cells collect energy, like > some form of solar cell...tetrahedral analog neural net > matrix and...a complimentary tetrahedral digital parallel > processing matrix...constructed using nanotechnology...BRAIN- > COMPUTER INTERFACING:... calibration-training procedure...in > tune with the individual...system architecture...parallel- > processing computers laid on top of a layer of neural > networks...interfacing to the brain...two main problems in > achieving this...BIOLOGICAL IMMORTALITY...engineer > retroviruses or nanotechnology, the modules will have to > bypass the immune system in order to infiltrate and > correct...We have learned from cancer the necessity of > controlling and even preventing cell division...probably the > reason for the Hayflick limit and telomere clipping... > PHYSICS...fine structure constant (alpha) of the grand > unified field theory equations[=]137...five equidistant > points of curved spacetime exist around the twenty-five axes > of the isotropic vector equilibrium matrix, in addition to > the original twelve points of the matrix in normal > spacetime... > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:42:42 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BFI BOARD OF DIRECTORS BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE (11) Updated: Winter 1992-93 LAST__NAME FIRST___NAME(S) ST CNTRY C____O____M____M____E____N____T____S APPLEWHITE, E.J, JR. DC, USA, 'Synergetics I & II' Collaborator ARNOW, JOSHUA, NY, USA, Associate, Swig/Weiler/Arnow Mgmt.Co. EDMONDSON, AMY, MA, USA, Harvard Prof; wrote'A Fuller Explanation' LEAF, MARTIN N. NY, USA, Attorney, Leaf/Deull/Sternklar/Drogin MEYER, HANS, WI, USA, Founder & President of Windworks MOORE, DONALD G., CA, USA, Helped develop Fly's Eye Dome prototype PERK, WILLIAM, IL, USA, Professor, So.Illinois Univ.Design Dept. SHARKEY, SHIRLEY, NJ, USA, BF'S Secretary/Administrative Assistant SNYDER, ALLEGRA FULLER, CA, USA, RBF'S Daughter; retired UCLA Professor SNYDER, JAIME, CA, USA, BF'S Grandson; Trimtab ed, Lecturer ZUNG, THOMAS TSE KWAI, OH, USA, Partner, Fuller/Sadao/Zung, Architects Source: BFI newsletter, Winter 1992-3, page 5 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 19:36:22 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DYMAXION CAR (FWD) Helen W. St. Cyr writes: > From svpal.svpal.org!svpal.org!5889ww Tue May 16 17:12:04 1995 > Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 17:12:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Helen W. St. Cyr" <5889ww@svpal.org> > Subject: Re: Dymaxion car (fwd) > To: Joe Moore > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > FYI, > Helen St. Cyr > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 17:27:00 CDT > From: Hart, Lee > To: Multiple recipients of list EV > Subject: Re: Dymaxion car > > Mike Bakula opines: > >The only real problem I see is a practical one -- if you try > >to run the Dymaxion-style body with a modern drive train, > >how are you going to keep it on the road? I mean, it's going > >to weigh about as much as a subcompact, and generate 0 lbs. > >of downforce on the wheels (after all, it's essentially a > >neutrally-trimmed symmetric wing planform). Pop the clutch > >and it's gonna burn rubber for miles... > > The Dymaxion was big; the size of an old full-sized car. It weighed 3200 lbs, > had a 130" wheelbase, 60" track, and was 230" long. The front wheels carried > 75% of the weight, or 1200 lbs apiece. Assuming a coefficient of friction of > 0.5, you could generate 600 lbs of tractive, braking, or cornering force. > That's plenty; I don't think traction would be a problem. > > Especially with the engine used; a Ford 221 cu.in. flathead V8 rated at 80 HP > at 3500 rpm. The Dymaxion did 120 mph with a 3.51 to 1 rear end (the lowest > they could get). Assuming a 30" dia. tire, that engine was 'way past its peak > HP; somewhere around 4700 rpm I figure. > > Course, this means you have a vehicle the size of a small motorhome that > could be powered with a properly-geared VW engine. BTW, the body was > essentially a shell a few inches thick; nearly the entire front 2/3 > of the vehicle was usable interior space. So it's something like 12' long by > 6' wide by 5' high inside (with a lot of rounding in the corners). > > The center of gravity and center of pressure were at the same point; about > 23" above the ground and 24" rearward of the front axle. As you say, it had > neutral lift, and no tendency to "point" into a crosswind. > > It had Bucky's characteristic economy of construction. Only 2 springs (one > each front and rear. Only 2 brakes (no brakes on rear wheel). No rear window > (rear vision via a periscope). Engine fan and radiator provided interior > ventilation and heating. Airspeed indicator instead of speedometer. > > I think we could build a scaled-down version, maybe 9/10 size to better fit > modern components and parking spaces. Classify it as a motorcycle. > > The pictures show a strong yacht-like feel. It also occurs to me that it > could easily be made amphibious. Now what would *that* do to licensing! > > Lee Hart > re: Dymaxion car > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 21:33:41 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Synergetics: FTP site (fwd) chardhawk@nets.com writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Tue May 16 21:04:27 1995 > From: chardhawk@nets.com > Message-Id: <199505170413.AA02912@unix.nets.com> > Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 22:13:29 -0500 > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: Synergetics: FTP site > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > Joe Moore: > >Richard, > > >Will there be a permanent FTP site where all your pics, etc. will be > >collected, organized and available for downloading? I understand the > teleport > >site is temporary because limited in storage space. > > >Joe > > >PS: Bucky would be proud of you! > > Thanks to a generous offer from Joachim H. Steingrubner, a permanenet ftp > site is now planned at his server. I will begin uploading JPEGS, GIFS and > Quicktime animation files shortly to: > > ftp.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry > > Joachim and I are still working out the details on file transfers, formats, > explanantory notes, indexing, etc. but will keep the list informed as it > evolves. Thanks for the complement, Joe. > > Richard Hawkins (chardhawk@nets.com) > > > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 21:35:56 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: The Book (fwd) PAWARS@cgs.edu writes: > From cgsvax.cgs.edu!cgs.edu!pawars Tue May 16 20:18:56 1995 > Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 20:20:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: PAWARS@cgs.edu > Subject: The Book > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Message-id: <01HQL0FLA6028WWN8F@cgs.edu> > X-VMS-To: IN%"joemoore@CRUZIO.COM" > MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > Dear Joe: > I'm doing final graphics editing on the GIF's before I send it to > Dr. Joachim Steingrubner who has a Website. If you don't know > Dr. Steingrubner's e-mail etc, I'll e-mail it to you. > > I was going to upload it to a cyberpunk named Nomad who has a Website, > but I haven't heard from him...BTW, do you know any other sites where > they would put my book out? > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 21:38:45 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: PD BUCKY VIDEO X-To: geni@cerf.net May 16, 1995, Peter Meisen, GENI (geni@cerf.net) Dear Peter, I recently asked myself the following questions (ala Bucky): 1. Is there currently an overview video tape (55 min) about Fuller's ideas presented in simple layman's terms available in the Public Domain? No. 2. Is there likely to be one in the near future? Probably not. 3. Do I own the rights to such a tape? Yes. 4. Can I afford to give up the possibility of profiting from it? Yes. 5. If I don't, is anyone else likely to do so? Probably not. 6. Is there any compelling reason to delay its release? No. In view of the above I have come to the conclusion that I should place my Bucky video tape into the public domain. I hereby certify that: I did make the below-named video tape by myself solely at my own expense, I alone currently have all the full rights of ownership under the law, and I currently have the complete rights of disposition to exercise as I see fit. Therefore, I hereby declare that the video tape entitled "Selected Ideas of R. Buckminster Fuller" by Joe S. Moore (dated 1991) is, as of May 16, 1995, in the Public Domain. Joe S. Moore -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 00:56:32 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Swanson Subject: Re: PD BUCKY VIDEO >May 16, 1995, Peter Meisen, GENI (geni@cerf.net) > > >Dear Peter, > >I recently asked myself the following questions (ala Bucky): > > 1. Is there currently an overview video tape (55 min) about Fuller's ideas > presented in simple layman's terms available in the Public Domain? No. > 2. Is there likely to be one in the near future? Probably not. > 3. Do I own the rights to such a tape? Yes. > 4. Can I afford to give up the possibility of profiting from it? Yes. > 5. If I don't, is anyone else likely to do so? Probably not. > 6. Is there any compelling reason to delay its release? No. > >In view of the above I have come to the conclusion that I should place my >Bucky video tape into the public domain. > >I hereby certify that: >I did make the below-named video tape by myself solely at my own expense, >I alone currently have all the full rights of ownership under the law, and >I currently have the complete rights of disposition to exercise as I see fit. > >Therefore, I hereby declare that the video tape entitled > > "Selected Ideas of R. Buckminster Fuller" > by Joe S. Moore (dated 1991) > >is, as of May 16, 1995, in the Public Domain. > > > Joe S. Moore > > >-- > >JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > How can we get a copy of the tape? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Swanson Sysop Camelot BBS(804)685-1602 Moderator Fido JFK_ASSN echo BBS specializes in JFK assassination related files. mswanson@ns.gamewood.net Fido 1:2621/11 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 10:51:19 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Market Reconnaissance Organization: iiNet Technologies Subject: New Aboriginal Housing - Australia http://www.iinet.com.au/~mktrecon/corringe/wilja.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 06:54:57 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: FTP site (fwd) Kirby Urner writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Tue May 16 22:02:03 1995 > Message-Id: <199505170503.WAA05726@desiree.teleport.com> > X-Sender: pdx4d@mail.teleport.com > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 22:02:27 -0700 > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > From: Kirby Urner > Subject: Re: Synergetics: FTP site > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > At 10:13 PM 5/16/95 -0500, synergetics-l@teleport.com wrote: > >Joe Moore: > >I understand the teleport site is temporary because limited in storage space. > >>PS: Bucky would be proud of you! > > Yes, this is progress. More disk space is a good idea. > Joachim, what is your setup these days. One phone line, more? > > Just to clarify a bit: the Teleport ftpspace is not temporary, just > limited in size. I have a personal allotment of 5 megabytes, which > includes my web pages, graphics supporting those pages. I have created > gallery pages for some of you on the World Wide Web, and some "hot > spots" on those pages link directly to files in my ftpspace. That > will continue to be true. > > In the meantime, high productivity synergetics gurus like Richard have > not slacked off producing good work, more than I can fit onto my web site. > However, web pages are not constricted by the physical circumstances: > if more ftp space becomes available thanks to Joachim, or Blaine, any > of us who create web pages can link to these alternate servers -- the > web browser doesn't really need to know or care where in physical space > these files live, as the topology of links is all that matters (although > server speed and accessibility are a problem -- e.g. Teleport is blessed > with a full T1, not shared with other users, not frame relayed). > > We're also looking forward to Kiyoshi Kuromiya's site. And the Synergetics > Institute in Japan may also expand its server space, though I have no > direct information about this. BFI had hoped to get into the server side > one day, and may yet, once this current transformation plays itself out. > > >Thanks to a generous offer from Joachim H. Steingrubner, a permanenet ftp > >site is now planned at his server. I will begin uploading JPEGS, GIFS and > >Quicktime animation files shortly to: > > > > ftp.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry > > > >Joachim and I are still working out the details on file transfers, formats, > >explanantory notes, indexing, etc. but will keep the list informed as it > >evolves. Thanks for the complement, Joe. > > > >Richard Hawkins (chardhawk@nets.com) > > > > Great going Joachim! I am heartened by your willingness to roll up your > sleaves and make it happen. You and Flemming are making a big difference > in my little corner of cyberspace, and a lot of other corners as well. > > Kirby > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: > >May 16, 1995, Peter Meisen, GENI (geni@cerf.net) > > > > > >Dear Peter, > > > >I recently asked myself the following questions (ala Bucky): > > > > 1. Is there currently an overview video tape (55 min) about Fuller's ideas > > presented in simple layman's terms available in the Public Domain? No. > > 2. Is there likely to be one in the near future? Probably not. > > 3. Do I own the rights to such a tape? Yes. > > 4. Can I afford to give up the possibility of profiting from it? Yes. > > 5. If I don't, is anyone else likely to do so? Probably not. > > 6. Is there any compelling reason to delay its release? No. > > > >In view of the above I have come to the conclusion that I should place my > >Bucky video tape into the public domain. > > > >I hereby certify that: > >I did make the below-named video tape by myself solely at my own expense, > >I alone currently have all the full rights of ownership under the law, and > >I currently have the complete rights of disposition to exercise as I see fit. > > > >Therefore, I hereby declare that the video tape entitled > > > > "Selected Ideas of R. Buckminster Fuller" > > by Joe S. Moore (dated 1991) > > > >is, as of May 16, 1995, in the Public Domain. > > > > > > Joe S. Moore > > > > > >-- > > > >JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 > >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain . > > > > How can we get a copy of the tape? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Swanson > Sysop Camelot BBS(804)685-1602 > Moderator Fido JFK_ASSN echo > BBS specializes in JFK assassination related files. > > mswanson@ns.gamewood.net > Fido 1:2621/11 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > .- > After I created it I sent a copy to GENI and BFI; I think I sent a copy also to World Game. Some individuals also. It's been 3+ years ago and my memory is a little fuzzy. I'll check my files. I do not want to get into the mail order business but, hopefully someone out there does. I suggest you contact the above mentioned organizations and see if they would be willing to add the video to their list of products available through their catalogs. If enough people want it surely they should be willing to provide it. It will be shown during the Bucky event in San Diego, but now can make copies and sell them if they wish. Give Peter Meisen a call; his e-mail address is at the top of this post. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 07:19:02 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: FTP site (fwd) Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Tue May 16 23:17:49 1995 > Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 22:46:51 -0700 > Message-Id: <199505170546.WAA00501@newciv.org> > X-Sender: jhs@200.42.42.66 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > From: "Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD" > Subject: Re: Synergetics: FTP site > X-Mailer: > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > > > >Yes, this is progress. More disk space is a good idea. > >Joachim, what is your setup these days. One phone line, more? > > currently I got 3 incoming lines (one is reserved for Flemming) > and a 28.8k connection to the Internet. Still working on the > PPP connection but shell accounts, mailing lists, web, ftp sites, etc > are working fine - if I just refrain from trying to improve it :) > > >In the meantime, high productivity synergetics gurus like Richard have > >not slacked off producing good work, more than I can fit onto my web site. > > An interesting question came up in a dialogue with Richard: > > Should we preserve the 'historical' precursors of Richard's (and > others) great art work or just show the latest stage ? > > I strongly tend to include everything and make an appropriate commentary > about the evolvement of what is the current stage. > > For me, it is as much fascinating _how_ an idea evolves from its beginning > as to see the 'final' result (if there were such a thing). > > What are your thoughts on this ? > > >Great going Joachim! I am heartened by your willingness to roll up your > >sleaves and make it happen. You and Flemming are making a big difference > >in my little corner of cyberspace, and a lot of other corners as well. > > thanks :) :) :) > > >Kirby > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ > >Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU > >Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > >Web: not help but join in out of sheer curiosity. > > so to answer your question, it took about 6 hours with the help of > a few extra hands part-time. the total cost was about five bucks. > > i thought it would be much more fun than the traditional jigsaw puzzle, > and i was right. this big ball hangs in my livingroom and causes > many a conversation about triangulation and the like. at night > when only the streetlights shine in the livingroom it looks like > a big bubble and leaves an orangey shadow on the opposite wall. > > -- > * gerald_de_jong/rotterdam * http://www.xs4all.nl/~gdj * > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 07:52:51 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY HOLOGRAMS X-cc: geni@cerf.net I found the following message on my answering machine yesterday (I summarize): From: Mark Diamond Tel: 305-994-7577 (Miami, FL) Body: Saw a post on the gatewayed Geodesic newsgroup; I have been a professional holographer for 22 years; did several holograms of Bucky; just wanted the Bucky group to know. (End) -------------------- I suggest that someone ask him if he would be willing to display his Bucky Holograms at the various Bucky Centenial Events that will be happening this year. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 16:26:17 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ALLSPACE FILLERS X-To: Synergetics List SELF-PACKING ALLSPACE-FILLERS (9) NAME OF POLYHEDRON FACES D_I_S_C_O_V_E_R_E_R 1. REGULAR HEXAHEDRON (CUBE) 6 Unknown 2. RHOMBIC DODECAHEDRON 12 Unknown 3. TETRAKAIDECAHEDRON 14 Lord William Kelvin 4. SNUB-CORNERED TETRAHEDRON 16 Keith Critchlow 5. TRUNCATED OCTAHEDRON 14 ? 6. TRIRECTANGULAR TETRAHEDRON 4 Coxeter 7. TETRAGONAL DISPHENOID 4 Coxeter 8. IRREGULAR TETRAHEDRON (MITE) 4 Buckminster Fuller 9. TWIST OCTAHEDRON 8 Robert Wiggs Sources: 'Synergetics I', section 950.12 "Lines & Junctions & the Topology of Space", Leonardo (mag) 2-1-87, page ? -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 21:27:56 -0400 Reply-To: Gordon L Smith Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gordon L Smith Subject: Re: PD BUCKY VIDEO DEAR JOE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR POSTINGS. MAY I PLEASE HAVE A COPY OF YOUR BUCKY VIDEO? I WILL USE IT IN MY MIDDLE SCHOOL SCIENCE CLASS. THANKYOU, BEST WISHES,GOSMITHGONE... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 21:33:17 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: PD BUCKY VIDEO X-To: gosmith@cello.gina.calstate.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Gordon L Smith" at May 17, 95 9:27 pm Gordon L Smith writes: > > DEAR JOE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR POSTINGS. MAY I PLEASE HAVE A COPY OF YOUR BUCKY > VIDEO? I WILL USE IT IN MY MIDDLE SCHOOL SCIENCE CLASS. THANKYOU, BEST > WISHES,GOSMITHGONE... > .- > I don't have any copies left to give out but I definitely remember giving copies to the Buckminster Fuller Institute and the Global Energy Network International. You might try contacting them to see if they might be willing to sell you a copy. BFI's address is bfi@aol.com and GENI's is geni@cerf.net I can see that I've created a problem; hopefully someone will volunteer to make it available for a reasonable cost (duplication, postage, etc). I really don't want to get into the mail order business. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 21:37:46 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: PD BUCKY VIDEO In-Reply-To: ; from "Gordon L Smith" at May 17, 95 9:27 pm Gordon L Smith writes: > > DEAR JOE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR POSTINGS. MAY I PLEASE HAVE A COPY OF YOUR BUCKY > VIDEO? I WILL USE IT IN MY MIDDLE SCHOOL SCIENCE CLASS. THANKYOU, BEST > WISHES,GOSMITHGONE... > .- > Anybody want to get into the mail order business? Second request. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 21:47:53 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: INVENTIONS (REVISED) CONTENTS 'INVENTIONS:PATENTED WORKS OF R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER', M.DENNENY,ED,'83 Updated 5-17-95 by Joe S. Moore INTRODUCTION: "GUINEA PIG B" BY R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER 1. STOCKADE: BUILDING STRUCTURE Grant # 1,633,702 06-28-27 2. STOCKADE: PNEUMATIC FORMING PROCESS Grant # 1,634,900 07-05-27 3. 4D HOUSE Application # 1,793 04-01-28 4. DYMAXION CAR Grant # 2,101,057 12-07-37 5. DYMAXION BATHROOM Grant # 2,220,482 11-05-40 6. DYMAXION DEPLOYMENT UNIT (SHEET) Grant # 2,343,764 03-07-44 7. DYMAXION DEPLOYMENT UNIT (FRAME) Grant # 2,351,419 06-13-44 8. DYMAXION MAP Grant # 2,393,676 01-29-46 9. DYMAXION HOUSE (WICHITA) Application # ? 03-16-46 10. GEODESIC DOME Grant # 2,682,235 06-29-54 11. PAPERBOARD DOME Grant # 2,881,717 04-14-59 12. PLYDOME Grant # 2,905,113 09-22-59 13. CATENARY (GEODESIC TENT) Grant # 2,914,074 11-24-59 14. OCTET TRUSS Grant # 2,986,241 05-30-61 15. TENSEGRITY Grant # 3,063,521 11-13-62 16. SUBMARISLE (UNDERSEA ISLAND) Grant # 3,080,583 03-12-63 17. ASPENSION (SUSPENSION BUILDING) Grant # 3,139,957 07-07-64 18. MONOHEX (GEODESIC STRUCTURES) Grant # 3,197,927 08-03-65 19. LAMINAR DOME Grant # 3,203,144 08-31-65 20. OCTA SPINNER Application # 349,021 03-17-65 21. STAR TENSEGRITY (OCTAHEDRAL TRUSS) Grant # 3,354,591 11-28-67 22. ROWING NEEDLES (WATERCRAFT) Grant # 3,524,422 08-18-70 23. GEODESIC HEXA-PENT (Sadao:assign F&S,Inc) Grant # 3,810,336 05-14-74 24. FLOATABLE BREAKWATER #1 Grant # 3,863,455 02-04-75 25. NON-SYMMETRICAL TENSEGRITY Grant # 3,866,366 02-18-75 26. FLOATING BREAKWATER #2 Grant # 4,136,994 01-30-79 27. TENSEGRITY TRUSS (C.Kitrick:assigned RBF) Grant # 4,207,715 06-17-80 28. HANGING STORAGE SHELF UNIT Grant # 4,377,114 03-22-83 APPENDIX: HONORARY DOCTORATE CITATIONS (43) 1. N.Carolina State College Agri/Enginer Raleigh, NC, USA 06-06-54 2. University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, USA 06-11-55 3. Washington University St.Louis, MO, USA 06-12-57 4. Southern Illinois University Carbondale, IL, USA 06-17-59 5. Rollins College Winter Park, FL, USA 02-22-60 6. Clemson College Clemson, SC, USA 05-30-64 7. University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM, USA 06-05-64 8. University of Colorado Boulder, CO, USA 08-22-64 9. Monmouth College Monmouth, IL, USA 04-24-65 10. Long Island University Brooklyn,NY NY, USA 06-07-66 11. San Jose State College San Jose, CA, USA 06-10-66 12. California College of Arts & Crafts Oakland, CA, USA 06-11-66 13. Clarkson College of Technology Potsdam, NY, USA 06-04-67 14. Ripon College Ripon, WI, USA 05-19-68 15. Dartmouth College Hanover, NH, USA 06-16-68 16. New England College Henniker, NH, USA 10-10-68 17. University of Rhode Island Kingston, RI, USA 10-14-68 18. University of Wisconsin Milwaukee, WI, USA 01-26-69 19. Boston College Boston, MA, USA 06-02-69 20. Bates College Lewiston, ME, USA 07-04-69 21. Minneapolis College of Art & Design Minneapolis, MN, USA 05-08-70 22. Park College Parkville, MO, USA 05-24-70 23. Brandeis University Waltham, MA, USA 06-06-70 24. Colombia College Chicago, IL, USA 06-12-70 25. Wilberforce University Wilberforce, OH, USA 09-28-70 26. Southeastern Massachusetts University N.Dartmouth, MA, USA 06-13-71 27. Grinnell College Grinnell, IA, USA 05-24-72 28. Emerson College Boston, MA, USA 06-04-72 29. University of Maine Orono, ME, USA 06-05-72 30. Nasson College Springvale, ME, USA 05-20-73 31. Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Troy, NY, USA 05-25-73 32. Beaver College Glenside, PA, USA 05-27-73 33. University of Notre Dame Notre Dame, IN, USA 04-27-74 34. Saint Joseph's College Philadelphia, PA, USA 05-13-74 35. University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA, USA 05-20-74 36. Pratt Institute Brooklyn,NY NY, USA 05-31-74 37. McGill University Montreal, PC, CANADA 06-05-74 38. Hobart & William Smith Colleges Geneva, NY, USA 06-01-75 39. Hahnemann Medical Colg-Hospital of PA Philadelphia, PA, USA 09-26-78 40. Southern Illinois University Edwardsville, IL, USA 06-08-79 41. Alaska Pacific University Anchorage, AK, USA 12-07-79 42. Roosevelt University Chicago, IL, USA 01-03-80 43. Georgian Court College Lakewood, NJ, USA 05-17-80 (NO INDEX) $3.00 per patent copy available from: Patent and Trademark Office Washington, DC 20231 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 08:46:36 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: PD BUCKY VIDEOS To those who would like a copy of my Bucky videotape: I lost some sleep last night trying to figure a way to solve the problem of distribution that I obviously created. I think there is a way that may be even better than the mere duplication of a specific tape. What if all the materials that I used to put the tape together were available to anyone in the world who wanted to download them and put them back together any way they wanted? They could use all or part of my materials (pics, sounds, texts, animations, scripts, monologs, etc) plus any others they may have access to. They could put the materials together any way they wanted (sequence, time, transitions, etc). They would not be limited to the specific way I put my video together. They would not necessarily have to record their creation on videotape; they could just run their product from the computer, or record it onto a digital tape or cartridge, or on to a CD, or a video tape, or whatever. I can envision a rich collection of Public Domain Bucky materials available in the various popular formats ready for anyone anywhere to download and use as they see fit. What do you think? I can upload the rest of the materials that I have accumulated, but there is one small problem: Everything I have is in Amiga formats. Only those with the proper software could use them. That is a barrier and I would think we would want to eliminate as many barriers as possible to the acquisition of Bucky's ideas. Therefore the Amiga materials would have to be converted into the formats that most people have (GIF, JPEG, for pics, ? for texts, ? for MAC, etc). I am not familiar with IBM-PC and MAC formats. Anyway, I think this isa good idea and I will be uploading stuff to switchboard.ftp.com unless someone has a better suggestion. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 13:39:37 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY VIDEO OUTLINE OUTLINE AND SPECS FOR "SELECTED IDEAS OF R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER" 9th Draft, Fall 1991 Created & Produced by Joe S. Moore Features: 55 minutes, Color, Sound Effect, Monologs & Text Equipment: Amiga 2000 Multimedia Multitasking Personal Computer with GUI 2-Button Optical Mouse Multi-Input 14" Monitor with Sound 102 meg Auto-Boot Hard drive SCSI Controller 6 megs of 1 megabit RAM 8-bit Audio Digitizer (Mono or Stereo) 550-Line Horizontal Resolution CCTV B&W Video Camera Video Digitizer (Color and B&W) 40 meg Removable Harddrive 3.5" Floppy Drives (2) Internal 2400 baud Modem Wide-Carriage 24-Pin Dot Matrix Printer S-VHS VCR with Multiple I/Os 26" S-VHS TV/Monitor with Multiple Inputs Miscellaneous Software Output Methods: Directly from Computer (Analog RGB) Removable Harddrive Cartridge (40 meg) 3.5" DSDD Floppies (836k formatted) Local BBS (2400 baud) S-VHS Video Tape (SP, 1hr) Script: I. INTRODUCTION A. SCENE 10: NATURE'S GEOMETRY 1. INTRO a. ANIMATION b. MONOLOG 2. VECTOR a. PIC b. MONOLOG 3. 3 VECTORS (TRIANGLE) a. PIC b. MONO 4. 6 VECTORS (TET) a. PIC b. MONO 5. 12 VECTORS (OCT) a. PIC b. MONO 6. 30 VECTORS (ICOSA) a. PIC b. MONO 7. SEEDS a. PIC b. MONO 8. HEDRA a. PIC b. MONO II. TRIANGLES A. SCENE 20: 3-NESS 1. TRIANGLE a. PIC b. MONO 2. ALGAE a. PIC b. MONO 3. LEAF a. PIC b. MONO 4. SNOWFLAKE a. PIC b. MONO 5. FLOWER a. PIC b. MONO 6. BERYL a. PIC b. MONO 7. FLOWERHEX a. PIC b. MONO 8. HONEYCOMB a. PIC b. MONO B. SCENE 25: 3-WAY WEAVE 1. 3-WAY VS 2-WAY a. PIC b. MONO 2. SNAKE SKIN a. PIC b. MONO 3. RACKET a. PIC b. MONO 4. FLOOR a. PIC b. MONO 5. RIGID a. PIC b. MONO 6. BALL a. PIC b. MONO 7. BASKET2 a. PIC b. MONO 8. BASKET a. PIC b. MONO C. SCENE 27: 3-WAY WEAVE DOMES 1. HAT a. PIC b. MONO 2. PLYWOOD a. PIC b. MONO 3. TENS TET a. PIC b. MONO 4. TENS TETRAS a. PIC b. MONO 5. DOME TENSEG 1 a. PIC b. MONO 6. DOME TENSEG 2 a. PIC b. MONO 7. STRESS CALC a. PIC b. MONO III. TETRAHEDRA A. SCENE 30: SINGLE TETS 1. MODEL a. PIC b. MONO 2. BALLS a. PIC b. MONO 3. WATER a. PIC b. MONO 4. SATELLITE a. PIC b. MONO 5. ANCHOR TOP a. PIC b. MONO 6. ANCHORS TET a. PIC b. MONO 7. SUBMARINE ISLE 1 a. PIC b. MONO 8. SUBMARINE ISLE 2 a. PIC b. MONO B. SCENE 33: LINEAR TETS 1. SILICA a. PIC b. MONO 2. DNA MODEL a. PIC b. MONO 3. DNA PIC a. PIC b. MONO 4. MAST TETRA a. PIC b. MONO 5. MAST FULLER a. PIC b. MONO 6. TET TRUSS EDGE a. PIC b. 7. TETS LINEAR a. PIC b. MONO 8. BREAKWATER a. PIC b. MONO C. SCENE 34: TET TRUSSES 1. TENS TET a. PIC b. MONO 2. TENS TET TRUSS a. PIC b. MONO 3. TETRA TRUSS a. PIC b. MONO 4. EXPO 67 a. PIC b. MONO 5. EXPO 86 a. PIC b. MONO 6. AUDITORIUM a. PIC b. MONO 7. TET DOME 2 a. PIC b. MONO D. SCENE 36: BUILDINGS 1. HARBOR TETS a. PIC b. MONO 2. CITY TET HOLLOW a. PIC b. MONO 3. CITY CUT AWAY a. PIC b. MONO 4. CITY WALL ZOOM a. PIC b. MONO 5. CITY OCEAN a. PIC b. MONO 6. BOAT BUCKY a. PIC b. MONO E. SCENE 38: GEOMETRY 1. 4 COLOR PROOF a. PIC b. MONO 2. UNITY = 2 a. PIC b. MONO 3. CUBE 2-TET a. PIC b. MONO 4. 2 TETS CUBE a. PIC b. MONO 5. QUARK MITE a. PIC b. MONO 6. QUARK CHART a. PIC b. MONO 7. UNIFIED FIELD a. PIC b. MONO 8. TET MAPS a. PIC b. MONO IV. OCTAHEDRA A. SCENE 40: NATURE 1. OCTA MODEL a. PIC b. MONO 2. BALLS OCTA a. PIC b. MONO 3. CRYOLITE OCTA a. PIC b. MONO 4. SKELLETON a. PIC b. MONO 5. JELLYFISH a. PIC b. MONO 6. LEAF a. PIC b. MONO 7. FLOWER a. PIC b. MONO 8. TENS OCTA ROVER a. PIC b. MONO B. SCENE 45: TRUSSES 1. OCTA MAPS a. PIC b. MONO 2. MAST OCTA a. PIC b. MONO 3. STRETCH OCTA a. PIC b. MONO 4. TRUSS OCTA a. PIC b. MONO 5. TOWER OCTA a. PIC b. MONO 6. TENSEG OCTA a. PIC b. MONO 7. TENSEG OCTA TRUSS a. PIC b. MONO C. SCENE 46: TENSEGRITY 1. TENS OCTA TRUS 2 a. PIC b. MONO 2. TENS OCTA DOME a. PIC b. MONO 3. TENS 2 OCTAS a. PIC b. MONO 4. TENS DOME a. PIC b. MONO 5. TENS OCTA TOWER a. PIC b. MONO 6. TENS OCTA CRANE a. PIC b. MONO D. SCENE 47: POLARIZED 1. POLARIZED OCTA a. PIC b. MONO 2. HIGHRISE a. PIC b. MONO 3. TOWER a. PIC b. MONO 4. HIGHRISE 3 a. PIC b. MONO 5. BLDG TRI a. PIC b. MONO 6. TRUSS a. PIC b. MONO 7. TRUSS 4 a. PIC b. MONO 8. TRUSS 3 a. PIC b. MONO V. OCTETS A. SCENE 50: TRUSS 1. TRUSS OCTET 1 a. PIC b. MONO 2. BRUCITE a. PIC b. MONO 3. ROOF OCTET 2 a. PIC b. MONO 4. WING a. PIC b. MONO 5. TRUSS OCTET 9 a. PIC b. MONO 6. GOLD a. PIC b. MONO 7. ROOF OCTET 1 a. PIC b. MONO 8. SILO a. PIC b. MONO B. SCENE 55: BUILDINGS 1. FRAME 60 DEGREE a. PIC b. MONO 2. LEAD CARBONATE a. PIC b. MONO 3. JUNGLE GYM a. PIC b. MONO 4. OCTET MODEL 3F a. PIC b. MONO 5. KITE a. PIC b. MONO 6. RIVER CABIN a. PIC b. MONO 7. HANGER a. PIC b. MONO 8. AMUSEMENT PARK a. PIC b. MONO C. SCENE 57: LINEAR 1. FREEWAY a. PIC b. MONO 2. DOWNTOWN a. PIC b. MONO 3. CITY LINEAR SIDE a. PIC b. MONO 4. COMPOUND BLDG a. PIC b. MONO 5. CITY LINEAR TOP a. PIC b. MONO 6. SPACE BASE a. PIC b. MONO 7. OCTET CYLINDER MODEL a. PIC b. MONO 8. OCTET PLANE a. PIC b. MONO VI. VECTOR EQUILIBRIUM A. SCENE 60: APPLICATIONS 1. FRAME 60 DEGREE a. PIC b. MONO 2. MODEL STICKS a. PIC b. MONO 3. MODEL BALLS a. PIC b. MONO 4. ATOMS a. PIC b. MONO 5. UMC SLICED a. PIC b. MONO 6. UMC BALLS a. PIC b. MONO 7. TOWER a. PIC b. MONO 8. MAPS a. PIC b. MONO VII. ICOSAHEDRA A. SCENE 70-A: NATURE 1. MODEL WIRE 1F a. PIC b. MONO 2. MODEL BALLS 1F a. PIC b. MONO 3. VIRUS POLIO a. PIC b. MONO 4. FLOWER PENT 1 a. PIC b. MONO 5. FLOWER PENT 2 a. PIC b. MONO 6. LEAF PENT a. PIC b. MONO 7. SEA URCHIN a. PIC b. MONO 8. STARFISH a. PIC b. MONO B. SCENE 70-B: SMALL 1. SMALTITE a. PIC b. MONO 2. PLANT SEA a. PIC b. MONO 3. PLANTER a. PIC b. MONO 4. BIODOME a. PIC b. MONO 5. PLAY ICOSA a. PIC b. MONO 6. COMSAT a. PIC b. MONO C. SCENE 71: MAPS 1. ICOSA ROUND a. PIC b. MONO 2. ICOSA REGULAR a. PIC b. MONO 3. ICOSA MAPPING a. PIC b. MONO 4. ICOSA FLAT 2 a. PIC b. MONO 5. CAD FIXED ZENITH a. PIC b. MONO 6. MAST ICOSA a. PIC b. MONO 7. TENSEG ICOSA a. PIC b. MONO 8. TENSEG ICOSA TRUSS a. PIC b. MONO D. SCENE 72: MEDIUM 1. ICOSA 2F a. PIC b. MONO 2. TENT INFLATABLE a. PIC b. MONO 3. LATH DOME a. PIC b. MONO 4. BALL SOCCER a. PIC b. MONO 5. PLANTER 2F a. PIC b. MONO 6. RADAR DOME a. PIC b. MONO 7. PARACHUTE DOME a. PIC b. MONO E. SCENE 73: HOUSING 1. PLAY 4F a. PIC b. MONO 2. GOLFBALL a. PIC b. MONO 3. VIRUS AIDS a. PIC b. MONO 4. PAPERDOME a. PIC b. MONO 5. WIND TURBINE a. PIC b. MONO 6. MONOHEX MODEL a. PIC b. MONO 7. TOILET 2 a. PIC b. MONO 8. SHOWER 2 a. PIC b. MONO F. SCENE 74: STRETCHED 1. PORTABLE DOMES a. ANIMATION b. SOUND c. MONOLOG 2. AIR CAR a. PIC b. MONO 3. DOME SHAPES a. PIC b. MONO 4. PINEAPPLE a. PIC b. MONO 5. HOME SQUISHED a. PIC b. MONO 6. HULLS DOME a. PIC b. MONO 7. HOUSEBOAT a. PIC b. MONO 8. STRETCHED RINK a. PIC b. MONO G. SCENE 75: COMPOUND 1. CABIN DOME a. PIC b. MONO 2. HOME 1 FAMILY a. PIC b. MONO 3. HOME 3-DOME a. PIC b. MONO 4. COMPOUND DOME a. PIC b. MONO 5. HOME MOBILE a. PIC b. MONO 6. TRIPLE DOMES a. PIC b. MONO H. SCENE 76: LARGE 1. DANDELION a. PIC b. MONO 2. RESTAURANT a. PIC b. MONO 3. FLY EYE LA a. PIC b. MONO 4. MOVIE DOME a. PIC b. MONO 5. HANGAR 117' a. PIC b. MONO 6. OFFICE DOME a. PIC b. MONO 7. TENT LARGE a. PIC b. MONO 8. MANSION DOME a. PIC b. MONO I. SCENE 77: FOOD 1. ARBORETIUM a. PIC b. MONO 2. COOLING FREE a. PIC b. MONO 3. GRODOME a. PIC b. MONO 4. DOME 3-QUARTER a. PIC b. MONO 5. EXPANDO DOME a. PIC b. MONO J. SCENE 78: HUGE 1. NATURAL DOME a. PIC b. MONO 2. PLANETARIUM a. PIC b. MONO 3. SHOPPING MALL a. PIC b. MONO 4. OASIS DOME a. PIC b. MONO 5. RADIOLARIA a. PIC b. MONO 6. FLYEYE HUGE a. PIC b. MONO 7. YACHT HARBOR a. PIC b. MONO 8. SPORT COMPLEX a. PIC b. MONO K. SCENE 79: MEGA 1. CBD DOME a. PIC b. MONO 2. CITY ARCTIC 1 a. PIC b. MONO 3. CITY ARCTIC 2 a. PIC b. MONO 4. CITY CRATER a. PIC b. MONO 5. PLANT COLONY a. PIC b. MONO 6. SKY CITIES a. PIC b. MONO 7. SKY CITY DETAIL a. PIC b. MONO 8. SPACE BASE a. PIC b. MONO VIII. SUSPENSION-ASPENSION A. SCENE 80: APPLICATIONS 1. GENERIC SUSP a. PIC b. MONO 2. STAIR STEP a. PIC b. MONO 3. TRIANGULAR SUSP a. PIC b. MONO 4. SKYSCRAPER a. PIC b. MONO 5. HIGH-RISE SUSP a. PIC b. MONO 6. HIGH-RISE PLAN a. PIC b. MONO 7. TOWER GARAGE a. PIC b. MONO 8. REVERSE SUSP a. PIC b. MONO IX. CONCLUSION A. SCENE 90: THE FUTURE 1. GEOM OF NATURE a. PIC b. MONO 2. ENERGY RENEWABLE a. PIC b. MONO 3. ENERGY HYDRO a. PIC b. MONO 4. ENERGY GRID a. PIC b. MONO 5. ENERGY VS BIRTH RATE a. PIC b. MONO 6. CHART HAVES a. PIC b. MONO 7. THE END-COPYRIGHT a. ANIMATION b. MONOLOG 8. FOR FURTHER INFO-CREDIT a. PIC b. MONO -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 21:33:33 +0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Calvin Meng Jin Quek unSUBscribe Calvin Quek ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 19:06:10 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Organization: Philadelphia's Complete Internet Provider Subject: critpath.org offers anonymous ftp uploads! I saw Kiyoshi last night. He thought anonymous ftping to critpath.org worked. He was right as my recent test proved. Kiyoshi says they have a lot of disk space, so this may be a good place to archive things! I had ordered several of the LOGS from the geodesic list (anyone who has tried to retrieve these knows that it is rather annoying to get them from the BITNET server). So I put every LOG file they had through 1994 as a gzip file into the incoming directory at critpath.org. If a resonably dedicated person maintains the archive there and puts index files up and whatnot, I think this could become a great Bucky resource. Unfortunately, you will need to get hold of the gzip software (not to worry it is free software!), as critpath isn't running one of the advanced ftp servers that can gunzip on the fly. -- Christopher J. Fearnley | UNIX SIG Leader at PACS cjf@netaxs.com (finger me!) | (Philadelphia Area Computer Society) cfearnl@pacs.pha.pa.us | Design Science Revolutionary http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | Explorer in Universe "Dare to be Naive" -- Bucky Fuller | Linux Advocate ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 16:02:23 +1200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ross Keatinge Organization: PlaNet (Auckland New Zealand) Subject: Great map from the BFI I think the BFI deserves a plug. I've just received two of their new Dymaxion maps derived from computer enhanced satellite photographs. I highly recommend them. They are absolutely stunning. I'm tempted to order some more and try to get them on display in suitable public places. Regards -- Ross Keatinge ross@kea.ak.planet.co.nz Auckland New Zealand ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 08:43:32 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: JamesB7801@AOL.COM Subject: Unsubscribe The address HARVEST279 no longer exists. I have lost the instructions on how to unsubscribe. Please send me the instructions. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 10:12:07 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "TOM VONDECK: IF WOODY HAD GONE STRAIGHT TO THE POLICE..." Subject: Re: CLN-Independent Thinking could you unsubscriber me? i'm having trouble doing so. thanx -tom ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 10:50:26 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Unsubscribe X-cc: JamesB7801@aol.com In-Reply-To: ; from "JamesB7801@aol.com" at May 21, 95 8:43 am JamesB7801@aol.com writes: > > The address HARVEST279 no longer exists. > I have lost the instructions on how to unsubscribe. > Please send me the instructions. > .- > In the "To:" line put listserv@ubvm.bitnet Leave the "Subject:" line blank At the left margin of the message body put the command: signoff geodesic That's it. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 13:05:03 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: MCGINTY CRAIG LANDON In-Reply-To: <9505211754.AA23488@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> I'm curious to know: since Bucky's Dymaxion maps more successfully transfer the surface of a sphere (i.e., our planet) to two-dimensional surfaces than other maps, why does the public educational system still utilize the older ones in which the continents sustain tremendous distortion? C.McGinty ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 11:12:30 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Bucky Fuller films X-To: Kenneth Krabat In-Reply-To: ; from "Kenneth Krabat" at May 21, 95 7:14 pm Kenneth Krabat writes: > > Dear mr. Moore, > > I fell over the announcement for the Bucky Fuller symposium/birthday > celebration July 14.-16. - which unfortunately I am unable to attend - > but what caught my eye were the films. In June I'm leaving Copenhagen, > Denmark, to go to Prague to open a bookshop/cafe/Internetcafe with 5 > friends there; our plans are to make homepage as well as bookshop the > european center for "different" information, gathered from all over the > world - and not only the english speaking world. > Prague being the internationally visited city it is, we believe > is both possible and important to be able to give visitors to our site > experiences on many levels - and this is where I believe Bucky Fuller > comes in. > Could and would you assist me with a few titles of > "Fuller-films", and contacts (snailmail from Prague is REALLY snail - so > fax or email) to any producer/copyright-owner etc that you might know of. > Also, the "spaceship earth"-documentary, you mentioned in the symposium, > sounds interesting - do you think it would be possible to obtain a copy > for showing to a closed audience of 20-30? > > I hope I am not mistaken in believing that you might know the answers to > these questions. If I am mistaken, please accept my apology for taking up > your time. But, either way, will you plese send me a mail? I am in > Copenhagen till June 2nd, then Prague, where I can be contacted at > sowden@ms.mff.cuni.cz > > Sincearly, > =(: )Kenneth Krabat, flywhale@inet.uni-c.dk > .- > I've been meaning to post updated lists of Bucky films and videos; guess I'll have do it sooner rather than later. In the meantime here's some e-mail addresses to get you going: bfi@aol.com Buckminster Fuller Institute Films, Audio & Video Tapes geni@cerf.net Global Energy Network Int'l Video Tapes, Software xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu World Game Institute Video Tapes, Software -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 11:21:41 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY'S MAPS In-Reply-To: ; from "MCGINTY CRAIG LANDON" at May 21, 95 1:05 pm MCGINTY CRAIG LANDON writes: > > I'm curious to know: > since Bucky's Dymaxion maps more successfully transfer the surface of a > sphere (i.e., our planet) to two-dimensional surfaces than other maps, > why does the public educational system still utilize the older ones in > which the continents sustain tremendous distortion? > > C.McGinty > .- > The fact that the copyrights won't expire for 50 years after Fuller's death may have something to do with it. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 11:50:44 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY FILMS BUCKY FULLER FILM MATERIALS by Joe S. Moore Nov. 6, 1994 =========================================================================== D--A--T--E T--I--T--L--E A--U--T--H--O--R--(S) O--R--G--A--N--I--Z--A--T--I--O--N C---I---T---Y ST, COUNTRY C--O--M--M--E--N--T--S =========================================================================== Nov 05 1965, "OUR WORLD 2000"; MCHALE, JOHN, ORGANIZATION ?, CITY ?, _?, COUNTRY?, 15 MIN; COLOR; GLOBAL POPULATION GROWTH THROUGHOUT HISTORY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1966 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1967 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1968 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan 17 1969, "WORLD OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER"; SNYDER, ROBERT, MASTERS AND MASTERWORKS PRODUCTIONS, INC., PACIFIC PALISADES, CA, U. S. A., 1 HR 25 MIN; COLOR; ALSO VHS VIDEOTAPE; FULLER, GENERAL Jan 18 1969, "PRIMER OF UNIVERSE" SNYDER, JAIME, CHELSEA HOUSE, CITY?, -?, U. S. A., 16MM COLOR (UNAVAILABLE ?); GEOMETRY, SYNERGETICS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1970 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1971 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jun 18 1972, "SLAUGHTERHOUSE FIVE", AUTHOR ?, PRODUCER ?, HOLLYWOOD, CA, U. S. A., FEATURES DOMES, FAMILY Oct 22 1972, "SILENT RUNNING", AUTHOR ?, PRODUCER ?, CITY?, _?, U. S. A., FEATURES DOMES, HUGE, GREENHOUSE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dec 31 1973, "BUCKMINSTER FULLER ON SPACESHIP EARTH"; SNYDER, ROBERT, ROBERT SNYDER FILMS, LOS ANGELES, CA, U. S. A., 1901 AVENUE OF THE STARS, SUITE 700; DESIGN ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1974 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1975 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan 05 1976, "THE HUMAN SCENARIO" T R F STAFF, TEACHING RESOURCES FILMS, MT. KISCO, NY, U. S. A., 4 FILMSTRIPS, Jan 05 1976, "THE EDUCATIONAL STOPOVER" TRF STAFF, TEACHING RESOURCES FILMS, MT. KISCO, NY, U. S. A., 2 FILMSTRIPS, Oct 06 1976, 'MODELING THE UNIVERSE'; SNYDER, JAIME, PYRAMID FILMS, SANTA MONICA, CA, U. S. A., 16MM, 14 MIN, COLOR, #1051; SEE 10-5-76 EXHIBIT; GEOMETRY, NATURE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan 06 1977, "REFLECTIONS: R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER" SNYDER, ROBERT & JAIME, UNITED STATES INFORMATION AGENCY, WASHINGTON, DC, U. S. A., CO-DIRECTORS; CINE GOLDEN EAGLE 1977; 90-MIN; COLOR; FULLER, GENERAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1978 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feb 27 1980, "A SYNERGETICS DICTIONARY"; APPLEWHITE, E. J., PRINCETON DATAFILM, PRINCETON, NJ, U. S. A., MICROFILM; GEOMETRY, SYNERGETICS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1981 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1982 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1983 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1984 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- May 03 1985, "INTRO TO R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER"; PRESBYTERIAN CONFERENCE CENTER (PCC), AUTHOR ?, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, PACIFIC PALISADES, CA, U. S. A., FULLER, GENERAL Jun 11 1985, "BIOGRAPHICAL FILM OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER", BFI STAFF ?, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, LOS ANGELES, CA, U. S. A., FULLER, GENERAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dec 10 1986, "CRAZY MOON"; AUTHOR UNK, ORGANIZATION ?, CITY?, CA, U. S. A., DOMES, LARGE, EXPO'86 DOME ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1987 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1988 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1989 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1990 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1991 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1992 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1994 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------END OF DOCUMENT----------------------------- -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 11:52:24 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY VIDEOS R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER VIDEO TAPES by Joe S. Moore Nov. 5, 1994 =========================================================================== DATE MADE OR SHOWN _____O--R--G--A--N--I--Z--A--T--I--O--N_____ _A---U---T---H---O---R_ C----I----T----Y_ ST COUNTRY ___________T------I------T------L------E___________ _______C----O----M----M----E----N----T----S_______ =========================================================================== Jan 15 1969, MASTERS AND MASTERWORKS PRODUCTIONS, INC., SNYDER, ROBERT, PACIFIC PALISADES, CA, U. S. A., "WORLD OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER"; 1HR 25 MIN COLOR; ALSO FILM; FULLER, GENERAL Jan 21 1969, VIDEO TAPE NETWORK, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, NEW YORK, NY, U. S. A., "R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THE WORLD GAME; #1: STRUCTURE OF NATURE"; 1/2 HR; B & W; WORLD GAME Jan 22 1969, VIDEO TAPE NETWORK, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, NEW YORK, NY, U. S. A., "R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THE WORLD GAME; #2: SYNERGY"; 1/2 HR PROGRAM; B & W; WORLD GAME Jan 23 1969, VIDEO TAPE NETWORK, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, NEW YORK, NY, U. S. A., "R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THE WORLD GAME; #3: MORE WITH LESS"; 1/2 HR; B & W; WORLD GAME Jan 24 1969, VIDEO TAPE NETWORK, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, NEW YORK, NY, U. S. A., "R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THE WORLD GAME; #4: MAN'S FUNCTION IN THE UNIVERSE"; 1/2 HR; B & W; WORLD GAME Jan 25 1969, VIDEO TAPE NETWORK, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, NEW YORK, NY, U. S. A., "R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THE WORLD GAME; #5: FROM MYTH TO TECHNOLOGY"; 1/2 HR; B & W; WORLD GAME Jan 27 1969, VIDEO TAPE NETWORK, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, NEW YORK, NY, U. S. A., "R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THE WORLD GAME; #6: DESIGN ACHIEVEMENT"; 1/2 HR; B & W; WORLD GAME Jan 28 1969, VIDEO TAPE NETWORK, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, NEW YORK, NY, U. S. A., "R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THE WORLD GAME; #7: PLAY WORLD GAME 1"; 1/2 HR; B & W; WORLD GAME Jan 29 1969, VIDEO TAPE NETWORK, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, NEW YORK, NY, U. S. A., "R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THE WORLD GAME; #8: PLAY WORLD GAME 2"; 1/2 HR; B & W; WORLD GAME Jan 30 1969, VIDEO TAPE NETWORK, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, NEW YORK, NY, U. S. A., "R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THE WORLD GAME; #9: PLAY WORLD GAME 3"; 1/2 HR; B & W, WORLD GAME Jan 31 1969, VIDEO TAPE NETWORK, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, NEW YORK, NY, U. S. A., "R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THE WORLD GAME; #10: WORLD GAME CAN WORK"; 1/2 HR; B & W; WORLD GAME ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1970 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1971 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dec 03 1972, MASTERS AND MASTERWORKS, SNYDER, ROBERT, PACIFIC PALISADES, CA, U. S. A., "THE WORLD OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER"; 85 MIN, COLOR; SEE 12-21-72 ARTICLE; FULLER, GENERAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1973 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1974 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1975 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oct 04 1976, PYRAMID FILMS, SNYDER, JAIME, SANTA MONICA, CA, U. S. A., "MODELING THE UNIVERSE"; 14 MIN, COLOR, #1051; SEE 10-5-76 EXHIBIT; GEOMETRY, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1977 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1978 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nov 12 1980, UNIVERSITY OF PORTLAND, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, PORTLAND, OR, U. S. A., SEE 11-12-80 LECTURE & AUDIOTAPE; TAPE, VIDEO & AUDIO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1981 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan 02 1982, BFI STAFF, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, PHILADELPHIA, PA, U. S. A., "43 HOURS"; JAN 2-10; FULLER, GENERAL Sep 04 1982, NEW ALCHEMY INSTITUTE, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, EAST FALMOUTH, MA, U. S. A., "THE DESIGN SCIENCE OF BUCKY FULLER: 43HR VIDEO SEMINAR"; 9/4-12; FULLER, GENERAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jul 18 1983, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, PHILADELPHIA, PA, U. S. A., "ALL I KNOW IN 43 HRS", JULY 18-24; FULLER, GENERAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan 07 1984, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, PHILADELPHIA, PA, U. S. A., "43 HOURS", FULLER, GENERAL Mar 11 1984, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, LOS ANGELES, CA, U. S. A., "43 HOURS"; AT INFORMATION INDUSTRIES CORPORATE CENTER, 1149 W 190TH ST.; FULLER, GENERAL Oct 15 1984, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, PACIFIC PALISADES, CA, U. S. A., "EVERYTHING I KNOW" (43 HRS); FULLER, GENERAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan 18 1985, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, CAMP CISQUITO, CA, U. S. A., "BUCKMINSTER FULLER'S 56 YEAR EXPERIMENT", TAPE, VIDEO Jan 21 1985, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, CAMP CISQUITO, CA, U. S. A., "BUCKMINSTER FULLER--EVERYTHING I KNOW" (43 HRS); FULLER, GENERAL Jan 31 1985, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, LOS ANGELES, CA, U. S. A., "EVERYTHING I KNOW" (43 HRS); FULLER, GENERAL Mar 12 1985, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, SNYDER, ROBERT, PACIFIC PALISADES, CA, U. S. A., "THE WORLD OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER" COLOR; _? MIN; FULLER, GENERAL Apr 30 1985, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, BERKELEY, CA, U. S. A., "EVERYTHING I KNOW"; 43 HRS; CONTACT TOM WALTHER; FULLER, GENERAL May 06 1985, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, PACIFIC PALISADES, CA, U. S. A., "EVERYTHING I KNOW" (43 HRS); AT PACIFIC CONFERENCE CENTER; FULLER, GENERAL May 16 1985, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, LOS ANGELES, CA, U. S. A., "EVERYTHING I KNOW"; 43 HRS; MAY 16-AUG 15; FULLER, GENERAL Oct 13 1985, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, LOS ANGELES, CA, U. S. A., "THE 56 YEAR EXPERIMENT--WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL CAN DO", _? MIN; FULLER, GENERAL Oct 15 1985, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER, LOS ANGELES, CA, U. S. A., "EVERYTHING I KNOW"; 43 HRS; OCT 15-OCT 21; FULLER, GENERAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1986 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1987 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1988 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1989 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1990 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1991 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1992 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apr 01 1993, BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE, BFI STAFF, LOS ANGELES, CA, U. S. A., "THE DYMAXION LAB"; TAPE WITH MANUAL $60; SEE TRIMTAB SPRING 93, FULLER, GENERAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mar 24 1994, NATURAL SPACES DOMES, NSD STAFF, NORTH BRANCH, MN, U. S. A., "TOUR OF DOMES"; $20.00, 45 MIN; 1-800-733-7107; 37955 BRIDGE ROAD; DOMES, FAMILY Mar 26 1994, NATURAL SPACES DOMES, NSD STAFF, NORTH BRANCH, MN, U. S. A., "GROWING SPACES DOME GREENHOUSE"; $13,__MIN; 1-800-733-7107; 37955 BRIDGE RD; DOMES, GREENHOUSE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------END OF DOCUMENT---------------------------- -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 18:30:20 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Douglas B. Holmes" Subject: Re: Great map from the BFI Ross Keatinge wrote: <> * Ross, could you kindly provide us the name or product description, and price of this new map? Is it based on the photo enhancement work done by Tom Van Sant, piecing to together a mosaic of cloudless satellite photos? Thanks. DBHolmes ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 20:52:32 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY FILMS & VIDEOS X-To: Kenneth Krabat In-Reply-To: ; from "Kenneth Krabat" at May 22, 95 2:34 am Kenneth Krabat writes: > > Dr. Mr. Moore, > thank you for assisting me with addresses. When the server is set up in > Prague, we can be found by searching for "Terminal Bar". > =(: )Kenneth Krabat > .- > Kenneth, I decided to send you both the film and the video lists even though they are not up to date. I (or anyone else--hint, hint) will be updating them ASAP. We post most of our stuff to the Geodesic list and the Synergetics list. You should subscribe. We're always looking for more FTP sites as the volume of Public Domain Bucky material is starting to grow rapidly. I just realized that I better send you the BUCKY ORGANIZATIONS poopsheet and the list of BUCKY SITES. Also, check out the BUCKY FAQ. Later, Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 21:06:19 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: cd-rom X-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199505212313.QAA07372@netcom13.netcom.com>; from "Karl Erickson" at May 21, 95 4:13 pm Karl Erickson writes: > > > >kris: > > >I think we should do a combination- people on the 'Net can contribute > > >GIF's, text, animations, and maybe even code for free, but the people > > >who actually integrate, produce, and sell the CD should be compensated, > > >even if only as a percentage of sales. > > > gerald: > > so you see content as something that need not be rewarded, while > > structure does? i'd bet that the resulting content would be > > weaker than otherwise. perhaps if the content producers were > > guaranteed a percentage of the sales. > > > > what do the rest of you think? is this premature? is it a > > horrifying commercialization of something beautiful? does it > > make sense as the first steps toward actually creating something? > > i think that the entire content should be put into the public domain, and > made net-available as well as being on cd-rom. the cd would be specifically > for those folks out there who are not net-connected. the work involved in > actually creating the cd and distributing it, advertising it, etc. might be > compensated, but it should be clear that it is the labor being paid for > as opposed to some kind of royalty. i think the whole idea of profit > should be avoided. money matters should be involved only and exactly to the > extent they are needed to make this thing happen. people should be paid > only enough to get the work done, and the price of the cd should be low as > to reflect this. it should be the actual cd they are paying for, and not > the content. in fact, the cd should contain all the internet pointers, and > the information that the content is public domain. let's not make the same > mistake bucky did. free, or as close to free as possible, will spread the > word faster and better, i think. > > -k. erixon - setebos@netcom.com > .- > I agree. I think the key to "getting the word out" is the Public Domain. If Bucky's ideas catch on, we will all benefit ("we" meaning mankind). Bucky talked about everyone becoming a millionaire, and I've studied his claim very closely and I'm convinced that he was being very modest. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 05:09:22 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: Re: Synergetics: cd-rom X-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199505220425.VAA00523@newciv.org> from "Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD" at May 21, 95 09:25:37 pm joachim: > The BFI in Santa Barbara has stockpiles of Bucky work. If they would > preselect the materials, it should be possible to make an anthology and > overview over Bucky's life, etc. None of us could pull this thru without > the BFI, and be it for the copyright issues involved. the copyright is the big sticking point for me. i'm of the opinion that it's high time we considered bucky's copyrights in light of precession. we've been playing, for a time, with the idea that his copyright is something preventing the dissemination of his work into the world, but perhaps there are benefits to this prevention. a. bucky did not want a 'personality cult' to form around him, stating that he would be pleased to be unremembered as long as the knowledge of synergetics were not forgotten. b. these copyrights force us to extract the _information_ from bucky's words, as opposed to merely repeating him. look at amy edmondson's book _a fuller explanation_ - this is an icon of comprehensible synergetics, and does not violate any bucky-copyrights. >tagdi: >but they idea of the cd must be very very >clear and digestable you must think of your audiance specially >when you are talking about synegetics. >gerald: >it would be cool to base the conceptual structure of the whole CD >itself on something like the icosa. i think we may want to take edmondson's approach, and cover the synergetics basics from the ground (tetrahedron) up. the conceptual structure of the cd should be based on the tet. the tet should be the dominant icon at the beginning of the thing. by clicking along, the user can perform basic transformations of the tet, get accompanying explanations in simple terms, and move into more complex realms via 'multiplication by division'. all the various explorations start, at base, with the tet. >tagdi: >people do not listen very well, but when you charge them they well >do fuller had observed. joachim: > A better solution would be to ask for a price in between 10 and 20 bucks, > but give away a lot for free as well. > > A still better solution would be to cough up this money as donations > of some sort. This would eliminate the headache with taxes at the > same time. a free cd might be seen as worthless, but a very cheap cd should be viewable as 'doing more with less' - in fact, this idea (meme/soundbite) might be emphasized in the advertising. i don't know the current price of cd-roms, not having very sophisticated tech just yet, but i think a cd jam-packed with amazing graphics, etc., selling for 5-15 bucks, would be quite a hot item - i can even imagine our efforts being considered a phenomenon worthy of unpaid-for media attention: ephemeralization in action - especially in light of the upcoming centennial. -k. erixon - setebos@netcom.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:25:26 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ADVICE X-To: Gerald de Jong In-Reply-To: <7EBwvAfDBh107h@tacit.xs4all.nl>; from "Gerald de Jong" at May 22, 95 12:21 am I guess it's because I'm in such a hurry to get Bucky's stuff out into the PD. I'll try to do a little pruning. Maybe I better actually read one of the nettiquite articles! BTW, I'm looking for FTP sites to upload 209 Bucky pics (The ones I used to make my Bucky videotape). Got any suggestions? They are in compressed Amiga format. Compressed: 3+ megs; uncompressed: 5+megs. I think you guys are doing wonderful work on the geometry: exploring it, creating animations and still pics, etc. I noticed there is an icosa inside the Unified Field Model which, of course, containes the tet, oct, VE, etc. Maybe there is a clue there to what you guys are looking for. I dunno; you guys know more about it than I do. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I don't want to people to not read the posts to the Bucky lists because they are too long, etc. Thanks, Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:40:13 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: Re: ADVICE In-Reply-To: <199505221955.MAA07616@mail3.netcom.com> from "Joe Moore" at May 22, 95 10:25:26 am Joe Moore: > Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I don't want to people to not read the posts > to the Bucky lists because they are too long, etc. if you are referring to your lengthy info-posts, i think the value in them is primarily in the fact that they are being put into the geodesic archives. i don't read them, but it is nice to know that the information is right there in the logs if i ever need it. perhaps posting these data-sheets to geodesic would be less relevant if/when you get the stuff into a searchable database on the web. until then, i see nothing wrong with posting the stuff to the list - but i suppose some people have to pay for incoming email by the byte, in which case i suppose the unneeded info might be an annoyance. -k. erixon - setebos@netcom.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:21:55 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: GEODESIC LIST DATABASE In-Reply-To: ; from "Karl Erickson" at May 22, 95 2:40 pm Karl Erickson writes: > > Joe Moore: > > Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I don't want to people to not read the pos ts > > to the Bucky lists because they are too long, etc. > > if you are referring to your lengthy info-posts, i think the value in them > is primarily in the fact that they are being put into the geodesic archives. > i don't read them, but it is nice to know that the information is right > there in the logs if i ever need it. perhaps posting these data-sheets to > geodesic would be less relevant if/when you get the stuff into a searchable > database on the web. until then, i see nothing wrong with posting the stuff > to the list - but i suppose some people have to pay for incoming email by > the byte, in which case i suppose the unneeded info might be an annoyance. > > -k. erixon - setebos@netcom.com > .- > According to the instructions that I received when I first subscribed to the Geodesic list, the Archives ARE a searchable database! I got the doc explaining the database's search facilities by sending the command "INFO DATABASE" to the list server computer (listserv@ubvm.bitnet). Joe BTW, I have searched the Web using various search engines and found material that is contained in the Geodesic Archive. I just have a shell account so I am limited to viewing text only (using LYNX), but I can download binary files (pics, anims, sound, etc) and then convert them into my computer's format (Amiga). -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:29:55 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Chicago Tribune Story 5/22/95 (fwd) Linda Lucht writes: > From home.interaccess.com!interaccess.com!l3 Mon May 22 15:25:20 1995 > Message-Id: <199505222129.QAA16297@home.interaccess.com> > X-Sender: l3@pop.interaccess.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:30:15 -0500 > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > From: Linda Lucht > Subject: Chicago Tribune Story 5/22/95 > > Joe: > > Thought you would be intereseted in a feature story about Buckminster > Fuller that appears on the front page of the "Tempo" section of today's > (5/22/95) CHICAGO TRIBUNE. > > "Buckminster Fuller is revered around the world - except in the twon he > called home." That town was Carbondale, IL. Unfortunately, the staff > writer, Wes Smith, did not mention your newsgroup and the efforts to > restore the Carbondale structure. A photo of the Carbondale home while > under construction was provided by the Buckminster Fuller Institute. > > But, other good things appear in the article, such as a Chicago Tribune > file photo of Fuller and a model of his Dymaxion Dwelling machine taken at > Marshall Field & Co in 1929. Also included are a couple diagrams of the > portable house and a drawing of the Dymaxion car were provided by the > Buckminster Fuller Institute. > > I'm enjoying your newsgroup. I, myself, am planning to drive the > westerning U.S., departing next month, and will be photographing dome homes > (not just geodesics). My plan is to also interview a number of the > residents of these homes regarding construction, what are the strengths of > their designs and what needs to be improved. > > Currently, I have compiled close to 100 locations. If you have suggestions > for unique and interesting places, please e-mail them to me at > l3@interaccess.com before June 5. > > Thank you. > > L. L. Lucht > > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:37:26 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune Story 5/22/95 X-To: Linda Lucht In-Reply-To: <199505222129.QAA16297@home.interaccess.com>; from "Linda Lucht" at May 22, 95 4:30 pm Thanks for your e-mail. I took the liberty of forwarding it to the Geodesic List. You're interested in single-family residences, not commercial structures, right? I'll dig through my stuff and see what I can find. If you contact the various dome-building companies, they will probably be delighted to send you a list of their customers that welcome visitors. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:24:06 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: PD BUCKY PICS X-cc: Synergetics List To whom it may concern: I just uploaded 209 Public Domain Bucky pictures to the computer at ftp.teleport.com . They are the pics that I used to make my "Selected Ideas of R.Buckminster Fuller" 55 minute video tape. They are in a file called "bfvidpic.lha" in the "incoming" directory. The file is 3.6 megs in compressed Amiga format and uncompresses to a size of about 5.2 megs. The pics are in mostly in color and follow the outline I recently posted. I certify that I made them myself, that I have full ownership of them, that I have the right to give them away. I hereby place all the pictures contained in the file entitled "bfvidpic.lha" into the Public Domain. If anyone wants me to FTP the file to them, please send me the server name and which drawer they wish the file to be placed in. Joe S. Moore May 22, 1995 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:19:30 -0400 Reply-To: EMERSONRPI Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: EMERSONRPI Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Geodesic Software 1: Is there a computer program that at least calculates the various components dimensions given certain assumptions. A: A basic one would calculate just the dimensions. For example: Given the circumference, the dome frequency, and wall thickness calculate the beams and panel sizes along with angles for cutting. [for extra points--calculate the above allowing "x" for the joining device.] B. A more complex one would take into account the engineering specifications and stresses and define the required material strengths. 2. Speaking of engineering requirements, just how much strength does a beam have to withstand under the geodesic design concept. Is it the weight of all materials above it? 3. Who does engineering design of geodesic homes--Is there a list of competent designers in this genre who know how to calculate the requirements and have an engineering degree satisfactory to provide a PE stamp on the plans.... (That's the only way I know to by-pass the local code problem). ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:31:40 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Butterfly Subject: Errors on the lists... X-To: fnord-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu I'm not sure exactly _why_, but both GEODESIC and FNORD-L have recently exploded with THOUSANDS of error messages. I'm still looking into this, so apologies for any current or pending weirdness. I'll probably have to remove some of the bouncing addresses. If you get removed by accident and want to stay on the list(s), please simply resubscribe from your current account. If you are having quota problems, please try to clean up your directories however you can, as those all bounce, too. If you are leaving for the summer, or your account is being deactivated, please signoff beforehand. Simply mail to LISTSERV@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU with the following in the body: signoff geodesic signoff fnord-l (or) signoff * (to remove you from all listservs everywhere) Thanks for your help with this! Pat Listowner for GEODESIC, FNORD-L, & XTROPY-L ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 - 415/703-7177 Web: Patrick Salsbury Mail with "sendkey" in subject line to get my PGP key. ----------------------- I've seen the wiring under the board. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:59:46 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: PD BUCKY PICS X-cc: Synergetics List 209 pd Bucky pics available by ftp at cpp.critpath.org Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 20:32:06 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: PD BUCKY PICS X-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199505230229.TAA17717@desiree.teleport.com>; from "Kirby Urner" at May 22, 95 7:28 pm Kirby Urner writes: > > At 06:59 PM 5/22/95 PDT, synergetics-l@teleport.com wrote: > > > >209 pd Bucky pics available by ftp at cpp.critpath.org > > > >Joe > > > > > > > >-- > > Joe -- > > good to see cpp coming on line. I checked ftp://ccp.critpath.org > using my web browser and found your file under /incoming. That's > a temporary holding space by convention -- will the file have a > more permanent final location at ccp? Let me know if/when you know, > and I'll finally get that link from your Portfolio page at my > web sight (where thumbnails of many of your pictures are displayed) > to the ftp site, for those with modems fast enough to tackle 3 meg. > > Kirby > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: PD BUCKY PICS (fwd) Kirby Urner writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Tue May 23 09:29:40 1995 > Message-Id: <199505231632.JAA15556@desiree.teleport.com> > X-Sender: pdx4d@mail.teleport.com > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:31:45 -0700 > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com, > "Joachim H. Steingrubner PhD" > From: Kirby Urner > Subject: Re: Synergetics: PD BUCKY PICS > Cc: Synergetics List > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > Joe -- > > I read how your archive is a slide show, numbered and scripted, only > after suggesting you cull the very best and package them as MooreLITE, > for those afraid of 3 meg files. My suggestion stands, but I more > understand why the 209 have an integrity of their own. > > Joachim -- > > I have a smaller (700K) sample of Joe Moore pix. LHA is the compression > algorithm, and is readily available for DOS. I don't know about Mac. > Not as common as ZIP, but not obscure either. The archive unpacks into > lots of IIF files, which are Amiga format pictures, but with lots of > IBM shareware and freeware can view, and convert (I've converted several > of Joe's pictures into GIFs, for use at my web site). > > I would like to upload the 700K archive (maybe that could be the MooreLITE > I've been recommending) and link to it from my web page. My practice, > as you know, has been to have Portfolio pages for various design scientist > artists, and make an assortment of their work available at my site, and > then, if possible, link elsewhere to more complete sources. This model > is working exactly as hoped in the case of Richard Hawkins. > > Joe -- > > if you don't mind, I'll go ahead and upload the LHA you sent me earlier > to Joachim's ftp site. Joachim, you probably want to move it to a download > directory other than 'incoming' yes? If so, please let me know where it > ends up and I can finally support Joe's Portfolio page with a link to > an ftp site. > > To both of you -- > > With Kiyoshi's Critical Path internet node starting to come up (disk space, > percentage allocated to synergetica unknown), we should think in a > coordinated way about storage issues. Mirroring the same files at > multiple sites is usually only required for files that get downloaded > with very high frequency. I think our emphasis should be on maximizing > variety and minimizing redundancy across servers-synergetic, at least > at first. For example, I think Joe's 3 meg file really only needs to > be at one ftp site. Hopefully, those of us managing ftp space will > be in touch with one another and work out good and lasting arrangements. > > Kirby > > > At 08:42 AM 5/23/95 PDT, synergetics-l@teleport.com wrote: > >Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD writes: > >> > >> >If anyone wants me to FTP the file to them, please send me the server > name and > >> >which drawer they wish the file to be placed in. > >> > > >> >Joe S. Moore > >> > > >> If the pictures are somehow readable in DOS or Mac format, please > >> upload to ftp.newciv.org/pub/incoming, if you want. > >> > >> ftp is sometimes quite slow during the PST prime time hours because > >> I do not have (yet) full bandwith, it seems. Try to do it off-hours. > >> > >> Can they be viewed by non-Amiga programs ? > >> > >> Joachim > >> ********************************** > >> ** Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD ** > >> ** Internet: jhs@newciv.org ** > >> ** WWW http://www.newciv.org/ ** > >> ** CompuServe 71762,1757 ** > >> ********************************** > >> > >> .- > >> > >Look for a file called "bfvidpic.lha". I think it's in the "incoming" drawer . > >The file is in crunched Amiga format but Kirby knows how to uncrunch it and > >convert the pics to another format. These are the pics I used to make my > >videotape. I preserved the structure and organization; each pic has an uniqu e > >name and number (section, scene, number, etc) so that the sequence of the > >slideshow may be reconstructed. I posted the script a few days ago to the > >Geodesic list. I'm hoping that someone will convert the pics to other format s > >and place them in a Bucky/Pics/(format) drawer. > > > > > > > >-- > > > >JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 > >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain . > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: > > > Joe: > > I have been following the synergetics-l discussion and I have > seen that you have made a "Selected Ideas of Buckminster Fuller" > video. How may I gain a copy of this for use here at my school. > I wrote to you about a year ago regarding your Basic Bucky book > which you have sent me ae several copies -- it has been of great > use with my students as we discuss and do "more with ;less". > > I teach at a privsate school for students with learning disabilities > ages 12 to 21. This past semester we constructed an icosahedron > greenhouse and I hope to make a larger 2freq dome in the fall to use as an out door classroom > > Let me know how to get a copy of the video. > Keep up the good work -- you seem to have such an excellent > fund of Fuller info. > > Paul Kosuth > 1245 E Grand Ave > XCarbondale Il 62901 > > prkosuth@prairienet.org > .- > Copies of the actual video tape are not available for the time being because of the costs involved in duplicating and mailing plus the time involved in performing those functions. However, we are in the process of making available the source materials used in producing that tape (mainly pictures, but possibly anims, sound, and digitized voice monologs later). We will be posting detailed instructions as to how to get these files (for free) as soon as the digital dust settles. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:53:48 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: PD BUCKY PICS (fwd) Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Tue May 23 10:49:30 1995 > Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 10:51:31 -0700 > Message-Id: <199505231751.KAA04888@newciv.org> > X-Sender: jhs@newciv.org > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > From: "Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD" > Subject: Re: Synergetics: PD BUCKY PICS > X-Mailer: > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > > Joe's 3.1 MByte file is now in > > ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/bfpics.lha > > If someone could upload lha for Mac and/or Dos to 'incoming', > that would be greatly appreciated. > > I'm currently on 100% load and don't have the time to look > around myself. > > Same for Amiga picture viewers/converter... > > Anybody out there who could make Web pages for the pictures > (and converting those to JPEG?). > > I can provide a basic Web page that lists all files as pointers > and their name as a label and the size and extension of the > file as text. (or you can have the script to generate it yourself). > > If there is a choice, GIF should be avoided because compuserve > goes around demanding royalties if a real product is involved > and this could be the basic framework for a Bucky CD. > > > > Joachim > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 13:16:27 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: OFFICE HOURS X-To: bfi@aol.com Could you please send me a list of your office hours? One of these days I may be in a position to just drop in and say "Hi". Also, please tell Allegra that my video tape is now in the Public Domain and therefore she may do with it whatever she wants. By the way, there are rumors on the net that the BFI is on the ropes (no staff, money). Could we please have an official statement from the Institute? Thanks, Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 15:09:28 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Synergetics: PD BUCKY PICS X-To: Joe Moore > I suppose I could put together a >BuckyLite set of pics, but that file I FTPd to you a while back was pretty >much it--a selection of BF's ideas in one 800k file (1 floppy). Yes, I came to the same conclusion. I plan to upload that to Joachim's ftp site if that's OK with you, and link to it on my/your web page. I'll link to the other, slideshow one as well. >Maybe we should have a little discussion on proceedures--general guidelines >for those who want to contribute to the R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER DIGITAL LIBRARY. >Kinds of files, sizes, formats, etc. Which sites prefer what types of >materials? Who to contact if a Volunteer Uploader has questions and/or >problems? > Given the way the internet works, there won't be one central repository, but a number of subdirectories spread across servers. What organizes the information best are web page front ends, which can make the files available in context, and/or simple lists of files (either as web pages or the traditional index.txt files at the top of ftp lists). No need to centralize, either in terms of location, or role (e.g. uploader), but having people willing to take on compiling indexes or lists, keeping track of what's where, will be important. It'll be a mix between keeping some information together, some spread around. In order to reduce redundancy and not tie up disk space with the same files too many times (so far, it doesn't appear a problem, and may not be, since disk space is getting cheaper all the time), we will need to keep some coodination. But there's nothing to stop someone from setting up a mirror site and deciding to copy ALL the bucky files to date to a single server, while also leaving the files where they are. And that's fine too. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 1910 > > 'Joe Moore wrote:' > > Sorry, I didn't reply more quickly. Please use my netaxs.com account > (this one). I check the pacs account more rarely. > > >Chris, > > > >I've got a bunch of questions about uploading ALL my Bucky stuff. > > > >1. Should I be talking to you or the guy that "owns" switchboard? > > Him. Dave K if I recall correctly. > > >2. Should I put my stuff on switchboard or some other computer? > > I don't know what's best. Dave K doesn't have time to maintain the > site. I fear Kiyoshi won't be able to organize his site too well > either. So the site to use is the first one who has the time and > commitment to organize the ftp files. > > >3. Should I be using the address "switchboard.ftp.com" or has it changed? > > I don't know. > > >4. Should I mail it on a 40 meg cartridge instead? > > Gosh, no :) > > >5. Maybe I should send it directly to Blaine D'Amico instead? > > > >I need your advice, please. I might have as much as 80 megs. I'm not exactl y > >sure how much it will total. There's all the stuff used for the video tape, > >plus stuff created since, plus the stuff for the teacher's manual, plus the > >data base, plus miscellaneous stuff. I think it's too much to upload. I nee d > >some kmowledgeable guidance in placing it all into the PD in an organized and > >effective way. > > I think we need to find some dedicated Fullerphile who has a ftp > server to maintain the ftp site. What is maintainance? Generating > indices of all materials in the arcive; organizing the archive into > directories; deleting from the archive any illicit or inappropriate > software or files. > > -- > Christopher J. Fearnley | UNIX SIG Leader at PACS > cjf@netaxs.com (finger me!) | (Philadelphia Area Computer Society) > cfearnl@pacs.pha.pa.us | Design Science Revolutionary > http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | Explorer in Universe > "Dare to be Naive" -- Bucky Fuller | Linux Advocate > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 19:00:46 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SYNERGETICS & BUCKY PICS X-To: gary nicholls In-Reply-To: ; from "gary nicholls" at May 23, 95 4:01 pm gary nicholls writes: > > Hi Joe. > I was excited to see that you had uploaded the BuckyPics, been > looking for a long time for something like that. However, it seems your > permissions on the file will not allow me to download it! 8-( > I have been keeping an eye on the listserv messages for quite a while > now, but not being much good at math, have been a little lost with a lot > of the more technical stuff. However, I am a BIG fan of Buckys ideas, and > have been frustrated that there isnt more info available in an easy to > understand form, particularly an interactive CD Rom. I have been talking > to a multimedia artist, who likes the idea, but assured me it would cost a > fortune to put together. A commercial multimedia company I discussed it > with quoted me a half million dollars! > Good to see that there is a move towards putting whatever is available on > an easily accessed site though, as it has been hard to find anything much > on the net up to now. > Maybe you could help me with one last thing? I understand that there is > to be a Centenial celebration for Bucky in Oregon sometime soon. I have no > further details, but would love to attend. If you can help, great, and > thanks. If not I will post to Geodesic. > Many thanks, > Gary. > > .- > Check out the following FTP sites: ftp.newciv.org switchboard.ftp.com ccp.critpath.org Haven't heard of a Bucky Centennial event in Oregon; there's one July 14-16 in San Diego (geni@cerf.net). Maybe what you heard about was a World Game (xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu). Monitor the Geodesic list for announcements re free PD Bucky stuff; It's being organized at this very moment. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 22:29:00 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FILES I UPLOAD OR POST X-To: Synergetics List To whom it may concern: All materials that I post to any list or FTP to any site or send to anyone by e-mail are to be considered in the Public Domain and therefore may be used any way anyone wishes. Please feel free to copy them, transfer them to anyone or any site and/or to use them in any way they wish. I just want to make my position very clear so that there are no misunderstandings, and so that no one will hesitate to use my stuff for fear they might offend me in some way. If, for some reason, I would like a communication to remain private, I will explicitly request that it be kept so; otherwise please assume that it is meant for public consumption. Sincerely, Joe S. Moore 5-23-95 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 00:44:10 -0400 Reply-To: AMKALENAK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AMKALENAK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Geodesic Software According to the theory (per RBF ) "The three-way grid of structural members results in substantially uniform stressing of ALL members." This being the case it would seem that the stress in each member would be the total weight of structure divided by the total no of "Stuts" The term "Beam" is not really applicable to geodesic domes since such domes are designed as "enclosing tensile structures" (i.e. a tensegrity; a stressed cage in which compressions float".) As to the matter of a PE to sign off on your plans I don't know of any enginnering schools that teach geodesics. Perhaps TEMCOR could lend a hand. I have some basic programs that calculate strut length based on frequency & radius. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 05:14:22 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. 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Please ship to: YOUR NAME _____________________________________________ YOUR ADDRESS _________________________________________ Street __________________________________________________ City State Zip or Postal Code Country YOUR TELEPHONE NUMBER ____________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 08:26:29 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic Software X-To: amkalenak@aol.com In-Reply-To: ; from "AMKALENAK" at May 24, 95 12:44 am AMKALENAK writes: > > According to the theory (per RBF ) > "The three-way grid of structural members > results in substantially uniform stressing of ALL members." > This being the case it would seem that the stress in each member > would be the total weight of structure divided by the total no of "Stuts" > > The term "Beam" is not really applicable to geodesic domes > since such domes are designed as "enclosing tensile structures" > (i.e. a tensegrity; a stressed cage in which compressions float".) > > As to the matter of a PE to sign off on your plans > I don't know of any enginnering schools that teach geodesics. > Perhaps TEMCOR could lend a hand. > > I have some basic programs that calculate strut length > based on frequency & radius. > .- > Geodesic structures should be analyzed in terms of PNEUMATICS and HYDRAULICS. See Synergetics I, section 251.43. Analyze a dome as if it were filled with air (a balloon) or water (a storage tank). Also, see the entire section 700.00 TENSEGRITY. Please feel free to contribute your software to the Geodesic Archive by posting them to the Geodesic list if you wish. I would imagine that Southern Illinois University has some courses in Geodesics. Contact Prof. William Perk Community Development Dept. Southern Illinois University Carbondale, IL 62901 He is a former Chairman of the Design Dept. and used to work closely with Bucky. I asked TEMCOR once exactly HOW they did stress analysis, but they did not respond to my inquiry. I doubt you will have better luck. Hugh Kenner' book 'Geodesic Math and How to Use It' explains how to calculate the stresses in tensegrities (formulas, etc.). Why don't you subscribe to the Geodesic list? It reaches thousands of people interested in various aspects of Fuller's work. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 13:43:20 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Lockley Subject: Geodesic stress calculations >AMKALENAK writes: >> >> According to the theory (per RBF ) >> "The three-way grid of structural members >> results in substantially uniform stressing of ALL members." >> This being the case it would seem that the stress in each member >> would be the total weight of structure divided by the total no of "Stuts" >> >> The term "Beam" is not really applicable to geodesic domes >> since such domes are designed as "enclosing tensile structures" >> (i.e. a tensegrity; a stressed cage in which compressions float".) >> >> As to the matter of a PE to sign off on your plans >> I don't know of any enginnering schools that teach geodesics. >> Perhaps TEMCOR could lend a hand. Joe Moore wrote: >Geodesic structures should be analyzed in terms of PNEUMATICS and HYDRAULICS. >See Synergetics I, section 251.43. Analyze a dome as if it were filled with >air (a balloon) or water (a storage tank). Also, see the entire section >700.00 TENSEGRITY. > >Please feel free to contribute your software to the Geodesic Archive by >posting them to the Geodesic list if you wish. > >I would imagine that Southern Illinois University has some courses in >Geodesics. Contact Prof. William Perk > Community Development Dept. > Southern Illinois University > Carbondale, IL 62901 > >He is a former Chairman of the Design Dept. and used to work closely with >Bucky. > >I asked TEMCOR once exactly HOW they did stress analysis, but they did not >respond to my inquiry. I doubt you will have better luck. > >Hugh Kenner' book 'Geodesic Math and How to Use It' explains how to calculate >the stresses in tensegrities (formulas, etc.). > Joe, let me weigh in on this question if you don't mind. There are a number of issues here so let me take them in order, just to keep them straight. 1) A geodesic dome is not necessarily a tensegrity. The Montreal dome, for instance, was initially designed as a tensegrity but time did not permit it to be constructed that way. The largest tensegrity dome I know of was the 40-foot Princeton dome. You you have two sorts of structures to analyze: geodesic structures, and tensegrity structures. 2) A structural analysis of a geodesic structure is best approximated by using thin-shell flexible-membrane theory. The world inventory of engineers who boast a thorough understanding of this theory, as far as I can tell, is very small. We KNOW that geodesic structures break the rules of ordinary, traditional compressive stress analysis. But there's a lack of empirical data. (This is a great opportunity for some bright student.) 3) A structural analysis of a tensegrity structure presumably conforms to an analysis of a soap bubble, that is, the outward-moving force is applied evenly on the entire surface, discounting the negliable amount of weight -- except the bubble is a continuous spherical surface and a tensegrity has x number of stressed joints. Again, no empirical data (that I know of). Again, great opportunity. 4) A geodesic or tensegrity structure of sufficient size can become a pneumatically supported structure, and everybody agrees (even those stodgy old engineering professors) that there are no theoretical size limits for pneumatically supported structures. I can't put numbers on what 'sufficient size' is, unfortunately. 5) I met Bill Perk earlier this month. What a nice guy. I asked him the question, does anybody know how to do a stress analysis on a geodesic or tensegrity. He told he didn't know, and that I should speak to Joe Clinton. I have Bill's fax number and Email address but not permission to post it. Anyone who cares to Email me at klockley@delphi.com can get it from me if they're legit :-) 6) Does anybody know Joe Clinton? 7) I would be surprised if SUIC taught courses in Geodesics. Bill mentioned nothing about it; he is the local Bucky expert in a town which is not exactly wild about Bucky. (Too bad!) 8) Joe, I don't believe Hugh Kenner's book explains how to calculate tensegrity stresses. He decries the lack of a useful stress analysis in the introduction, if I remember correctly. As to how Don Richter at TEMCOR handles that I'd be fascinated to find out. Don't mean to come off like a Felix Unger-like know-all, Joe! NOt meant like that at all -- these are just my results from a search for answers to the same questions. I welcome corrections and / or amplifications -- Walt klockley@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 19:59:41 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blaine DAmico Subject: Money and the Fuller CD In-Reply-To: <199505241100.HAA06915@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> Well, my syquest portable hard disk cartridge is full (200 MB) and awaiting pressing as Alpha .1 version of a bucky fuller interactive CD. Haven't had much sleep these last weeks between keeping the Universiy's library net on-line and living in the multimedia development lab. This will be a short post. I need to go home and sleep for a week. (Too bad I haven't mastered Fuller's synergetic napping technique). On Sun, 21 May 1995, Joe Moore wrote: > Karl Erickson writes: > > > > > >kris: > > > >I think we should do a combination- people on the 'Net can contribute > > > >GIF's, text, animations, and maybe even code for free, but the people > > > >who actually integrate, produce, and sell the CD should be compensated, > > > >even if only as a percentage of sales. Blaine: Those who need and request compensation for their work should get it netters as sell as those who use their content. > > > > > gerald: > > > so you see content as something that need not be rewarded, while > > > structure does? i'd bet that the resulting content would be > > > weaker than otherwise. perhaps if the content producers were > > > guaranteed a percentage of the sales. > > > > > > what do the rest of you think? is this premature? is it a > > > horrifying commercialization of something beautiful? does it > > > make sense as the first steps toward actually creating something? > > Without the content of Richard, Chris, Gerald, Kirby and others (including myself), I could not have able to even put even and Alpha CD together. I respect their skills and contribution and if they need compensation for their work, they shoud receive it (Shareware as opposed to freeware) > > i think that the entire content should be put into the public domain, and > > made net-available as well as being on cd-rom. the cd would be specifically > > for those folks out there who are not net-connected. the work involved in > > actually creating the cd and distributing it, advertising it, etc. might be > > compensated, but it should be clear that it is the labor being paid for > > as opposed to some kind of royalty. i think the whole idea of profit > > should be avoided. money matters should be involved only and exactly to the > > extent they are needed to make this thing happen. people should be paid > > only enough to get the work done, and the price of the cd should be low as > > to reflect this. it should be the actual cd they are paying for, and not > > the content. in fact, the cd should contain all the internet pointers, and > > the information that the content is public domain. let's not make the same > > mistake bucky did. free, or as close to free as possible, will spread the > > word faster and better, i think. > > > > -k. erixon - setebos@netcom.com > > .- > > Forgive me, but human beings need to eat and maintain a roof over their heads (for sleep, which I need desperately). Bucky econimic models included 1) A baseline support system for everyone (which requires sustainability) 2) bonuses for those who further our ability to do more with less (incentives). This may come in the form of more resources (curently exchanged as the intrinsically meaningless icon called money) with which to accomplish even more. The reason that I remain encouraged by Ed Applewhite is his desire to have the production of Fuller multimedia assets become a sustainable enterprise. Sustaining the institute also becomes integral to this process. They hold the most important assets (the archives) but not the financial resources to digitize them, compile them and disseminate them. It also includes content producers. > > I agree. I think the key to "getting the word out" is the Public Domain. If > Bucky's ideas catch on, we will all benefit ("we" meaning mankind). Bucky > talked about everyone becoming a millionaire, and I've studied his claim very > closely and I'm convinced that he was being very modest. > > Joe > > > -- > > JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 > CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > I appreciate and respect your view on this Joe. I intend to incorporate some of your databases into Alpha 0.2 (Why they didn't make it into .1 is a long story). However, your share of the compensation from this CD (If any compensation ever materializes) will be collected and be donated to the institute to further the development of Education automation. Reference Critical path page 225 After * * * Home Sleep Home Sleep Good nite. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 17:33:41 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic stress calculations In-Reply-To: ; from "Walt Lockley" at May 24, 95 1:43 pm Walt Lockley writes: > > >AMKALENAK writes: > >> > >> According to the theory (per RBF ) > >> "The three-way grid of structural members > >> results in substantially uniform stressing of ALL members." > >> This being the case it would seem that the stress in each member > >> would be the total weight of structure divided by the total no of "Stuts" > >> > >> The term "Beam" is not really applicable to geodesic domes > >> since such domes are designed as "enclosing tensile structures" > >> (i.e. a tensegrity; a stressed cage in which compressions float".) The compression struts are actually trying to pull out/away from the center of the structure. > >> > >> As to the matter of a PE to sign off on your plans > >> I don't know of any enginnering schools that teach geodesics. > >> Perhaps TEMCOR could lend a hand. > > > Joe Moore wrote: > > >Geodesic structures should be analyzed in terms of PNEUMATICS and HYDRAULICS. > >See Synergetics I, section 251.43. Analyze a dome as if it were filled with > >air (a balloon) or water (a storage tank). Also, see the entire section > >700.00 TENSEGRITY. > > > >Please feel free to contribute your software to the Geodesic Archive by > >posting them to the Geodesic list if you wish. > > > >I would imagine that Southern Illinois University has some courses in > >Geodesics. Contact Prof. William Perk > > Community Development Dept. > > Southern Illinois University > > Carbondale, IL 62901 > > > >He is a former Chairman of the Design Dept. and used to work closely with > >Bucky. > > > >I asked TEMCOR once exactly HOW they did stress analysis, but they did not > >respond to my inquiry. I doubt you will have better luck. > > > >Hugh Kenner' book 'Geodesic Math and How to Use It' explains how to calculate > >the stresses in tensegrities (formulas, etc.). > > > > Joe, let me weigh in on this question if you don't mind. There are a number > of issues here so let me take them in order, just to keep them straight. > > 1) A geodesic dome is not necessarily a tensegrity. The Montreal dome, It is my understanding that Tensegrity is the GENERAL case and that geodesic domes are a SPECIAL case of Tensegrity. Most domes are what is known as Rigid Tensegrities in which the "holes" (hexes and pents of a tensegrity) are filled in but not really structurally necessary. All domes are tensegrities but not all tensegrities are domes (could be towers, etc.) > for instance, was initially designed as a tensegrity but time did not > permit it to be constructed that way. The largest tensegrity dome I The largest Tensegrity that I know of is the Yomiuri Dome built in 1964 in Tokyo, Japan. It is 170 feet in diameter. See 'Inventions', pages 248-55 and 'Geodesics', figure 82. > know of was the 40-foot Princeton dome. You you have two sorts of > structures to analyze: geodesic structures, and tensegrity structures. > > 2) A structural analysis of a geodesic structure is best approximated > by using thin-shell flexible-membrane theory. The world inventory of Kenner mentions "shell analysis" on page ix, but feels that there should be a better way. (I'm not an engineer so I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.) > engineers who boast a thorough understanding of this theory, as far as > I can tell, is very small. We KNOW that geodesic structures break the > rules of ordinary, traditional compressive stress analysis. But > there's a lack of empirical data. (This is a great opportunity for > some bright student.) > > 3) A structural analysis of a tensegrity structure presumably conforms > to an analysis of a soap bubble, that is, the outward-moving force is > applied evenly on the entire surface, discounting the negliable > amount of weight -- except the bubble is a continuous spherical surface > and a tensegrity has x number of stressed joints. Again, no > empirical data (that I know of). Again, great opportunity. An actual calculation by Fuller in his own hand appears on page 150 of 'Buckminster Fuller' by Pawley (1990). > > 4) A geodesic or tensegrity structure of sufficient size can become > a pneumatically supported structure, and everybody agrees (even those > stodgy old engineering professors) that there are no theoretical > size limits for pneumatically supported structures. I can't put > numbers on what 'sufficient size' is, unfortunately. > > 5) I met Bill Perk earlier this month. What a nice guy. I asked > him the question, does anybody know how to do a stress analysis on a > geodesic or tensegrity. He told he didn't know, and that I should > speak to Joe Clinton. I have Bill's fax number and Email address > but not permission to post it. Anyone who cares to Email me at > klockley@delphi.com can get it from me if they're legit :-) > > 6) Does anybody know Joe Clinton? Clinton's address and phone # appears in the back of 'Dome' magazine: 334 MacKenzie Dr. West Chester, PA 19380 215-692-5725 (Summer '94) > > 7) I would be surprised if SUIC taught courses in Geodesics. Bill > mentioned nothing about it; he is the local Bucky expert in a town > which is not exactly wild about Bucky. (Too bad!) > > 8) Joe, I don't believe Hugh Kenner's book explains how to calculate > tensegrity stresses. He decries the lack of a useful stress analysis > in the introduction, if I remember correctly. As to how Don Richter > at TEMCOR handles that I'd be fascinated to find out. What I had in mind were pages 16-19 of 'Geodesic Math' by Kenner. > > Don't mean to come off like a Felix Unger-like know-all, Joe! > NOt meant like that at all -- these are just my results from a > search for answers to the same questions. I welcome corrections > and / or amplifications -- > > Walt > klockley@delphi.com > .- > I'll upload the references I've collected on stress analysis. It's one of the toughest areas of Bucky's work to get info on. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 17:43:20 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TENSEGRITY Tension Integrity Structures by Joe S. Moore R. Buckminster Fuller found ways to minimize the weight and cost of structures by maximizing the tension and minimizing the compression elements. He called it tension integrity or "tensegrity". Using these techniques it is possible to build structures of unlimited size!! For further information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Tensegrity", Portfolio & Artnews Annual # 4 (magazine) by R. Buckminster Fuller Spring 1961 pages 112-27, 148 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Tensegrity" Nov 13, 1962 by R. Buckminster Fuller U.S.patent 3,063,521 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'The Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by R. Buckminster Fuller & Robert Marks pages 164-9, 201 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'The Mind's Eye of Buckminster Fuller' by Donald W. Robertson 1974 pages 58-64 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Dome Notes' 1975 by Peter Hjersman pages 72-88 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Synergetics' by R. Buckminster Fuller 1975 pages 372-431 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'An Introduction to Tensegrity' by Anthony Pugh 1976 122 pages ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Geodesic Math and How to Use It' by Hugh kenner 1976 pages 1-44 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Inventions' 1983 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 179-93, 241-55, 274-80, & 286-93 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitola, California, USA October 24, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 17:44:19 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: STRESS ANALYSIS Stress Analysis of Geodesic Domes by Joe S. Moore Geodesic domes should be analyzed as hydraulic or pneumatic structures. For more information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Stresses in Framed Surface Domes" (masters thesis, N.Carolina State Univ) by R. Feng 1962 _?_ pages ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A Study of the Stability of Framed, Triangulated Geodesic Domes Under the by R. J. Aguilar Action of Concentrated Loads" doctoral thesis, N Carolina State Univ 1964 _?_ pages ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Membrane Forces & Buckling in Reticulated Shells",Journal StructuralDiv,ASCE by Douglas T. Wright Feb 1, 1965 pages 173-201 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Steel Space Structures' _?_ __, 1965 by Z. S. Makowski pages 62-3, 72-6, 123 & 149-55 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Buckling of Framed Domes", Engineering Journal, A. I. S. C. 2(4) by Kenneth P. Buchert _?_ __, 1965 pages 120-1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Geodesics' 1968 by Edward Popko figure 14. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "3/4 Three Frequency Icosahedron-Alternate Geodesic Dome, Mathematical by David L. Wasley Structural Analysis & Physical Tests" Marin Co.Bldg.Dept, San Rafael, CA Feb __, 1971 _?_ pages ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Domebook 2' by Pacific Domes 1971 page 114 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Dome Notes' 1975 by Peter Hjersman pages 89-106 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Geodesic Math and How to Use It' 1976 by Hugh Kenner pages 1-35 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'The Artifacts of R. Buckminster Fuller, Vol 3' edited by James Ward 1985 page 15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitola, California, USA October 23, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 22:42:28 -0400 Reply-To: Gordon L Smith Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gordon L Smith Subject: Re: The Key To Organizing Your Health Records please do not send non-geodesic info. thank you, gosmithgone........ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 22:35:19 -0400 Reply-To: AMKALENAK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AMKALENAK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Geodesic stress calculations I know the word tensegrity seems to imply struts and wires yet by RBF's own description "All geodesic domes are tensegrity structures weather or not the tension/islanded compression differentiations are visible to the observer." I wonder how standard stress analysis programs like STAAD would treat an accurately constructed stick model of a geodesic dome and how this would compare with "reality". I would happily share my programs with GEODESICS (they are in mac basic, and would need to be adjusted for other platforms) Joe fill me in on how and where to send them. tony ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 21:19:36 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic stress calculations X-To: Synergetics List In-Reply-To: ; from "AMKALENAK" at May 24, 95 10:35 pm AMKALENAK writes: > > I know the word tensegrity seems to imply struts and wires > yet by RBF's own description > "All geodesic domes are tensegrity structures > weather or not the tension/islanded compression differentiations > are visible to the observer." > > I wonder how standard stress analysis programs like STAAD > would treat an accurately constructed stick model of a geodesic dome > and how this would compare with "reality". > > I would happily share my programs with GEODESICS > (they are in mac basic, and would need to be adjusted for other platforms) > > Joe > fill me in on how and where to send them. > > tony > .- > You can uu encode them and post them to the Geodesic list and/or you can FTP them to ftp.newciv.org/incoming. After you have successfully uploaded (check to see that file sizes match), please post a notice to the list giving the name, size, ftp site name and drawer it is in and a statement as to whether it is Public Domain or Shareware, plus Author's name (you). Add a brief description of what the software is intended to do. Oh, and indicate which computer platform it will run on (minimum hardware/opsys version). The reason I say all this is that several thousand people all over the world will see your notice, so it needs to be complete and clear. Don't hesitate to add additional info if you feel it would be helpful. If you run into any problems let me know. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 01:04:15 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Lockley Subject: Tensegrities / Geodesic Structures Joe, Tony, everybody, Are all geodesic domes special cases of a larger class of Fuller constructs called Tensegrities? On closer reading of the patents and the introduction to Kenner's geodesic math book, I think the answer is yes and no. Yes, Kenner uses exactly those words towards the middle of page viii of his introduction, and yes, Fuller himself says as much. And no. Kenner in the same paragraph says, ". . . no useful structures exploiting pure tensegrity -- tension wholly separated from compression -- have been built at all." And on page ix Kenner says, "Fuller at one time intended that the Montreal bubble should be a giant Tensegrity, but time and budget inhibited the necessary research." (I KNEW I'd read that somewhere!) So if the Montreal bubble isn't a Tensegrity, what is it? I think the answer hinges on that word tensegrity. When I used it in my previous posting, what I had in mind was a pure tensegrity, a systematic network of forces all pulling outward in all directions. Like a soap bubble. No compressive forces at work at all, except for the very small effect of material weight which will make a soap bubble sag very, very slightly. A geodesic dome like Bucky's Carbondale residence or the Climatron or what have you is what we could call an impure tensegrity. The network of forces cannot pull outward in all directions because the structure is truncated. In a hemispherial dome a little less than half of the tension members are simply not there. Does Bucky make this distinction anywhere? I honestly don't know. But I believe it's a significant distinction. The way I see it, the Climatron is more subject to compressive forces than a soap bubble is. Bucky's dome in Carbondale would NOT contract evenly under a great weight like a pure tensegrity is supposed to, I can tell you that. And when I referred to the 40-foot Princeton dome, that's the largest PURE tensegrity structure I know about. I guess the upshot of all of this is that the Climatron cannot be intelligently analyzed on the model of a soap bubble because half of its integral tension network is gone. Tension forces are overwhelmingly important but are not the only forces acting. Joe, does this make sense, or have I only dug my hole deeper? :-) If not, how would you explain Kenner's apparent contradictions? (I'm so glad this came up!) Walt klockley@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 22:22:29 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Butterfly Subject: Continuing list errors... X-To: fnord-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Well, I've deleted a total of *49* accounts that have been deactivated or are full/over quota, and am well over the 3000 message mark. I've gotten ~10 megs of error messages in the past week from GEODESIC and FNORD-L. I realize it's at the end of semesters for some people, and others are switching service providers, etc. I have a request: *PLEASE* remember to sign off of mailing lists and such before your account is deactivated. The LISTSERV program is especially nice about this, as it will let you sign off of EVERY list at once from ANY listserv server. You just mail a message (in this case, to ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu) and put this line in the body: signoff * That should remove you from every LISTSERV-run mailing list on the net, unless they've changed the program since I last checked. This doesn't work for Majordomo-run mailing lists, unfortunately. Thanks for your help will this. I thank you, all the other list admins will thank you, and all of your fellow list members will thank you. :-) Pat (Who really _DID_ have better things to do this week than sift through 10 megs of bounced mail messages. :-) ) ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 - 415/703-7177 Web: Patrick Salsbury Mail with "sendkey" in subject line to get my PGP key. ----------------------- I've seen the wiring under the board. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 07:20:15 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: HALL OF FAME X-cc: Synergetics List I hereby nominate Blaine D'Amico for the R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER VIRTUAL HALL OF FAME for producing the first Bucky CD in the history of Spaceship Earth. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 07:38:17 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Fuller (fwd) Evan Ravitz writes: > From relay3.uu.net!darkstar.cygnus.com!evan Thu May 25 01:52:32 1995 > Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 02:59:59 -0600 (MDT) > From: Evan Ravitz > To: Joe Moore > Subject: Re: Fuller > In-Reply-To: <199505141700.LAA05137@darkstar.cygnus.com> > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > You might be interested in this post I made 3 mos ago. Pardon if you > already saw it... > > With reference to Bucky's "apolitical" stance referred to in recent > postings, and with politics inhibiting the advance of Bucky's and > others' good ideas, perhaps it's time to look at another facet of > the man: > > Bucky to the Senate, 1975: "I proposed... voting by telephone on > all prominent questions before Congress. That was back in 1940. > Today democracy is not working... Particularly among the young > there is a feeling of absolute futility." > > The popularity, technology, and cost-effectiveness of telephone > voting was proven in 1974. Trials for 7 months and 5,500 > participants were conducted by the San Jose Unified School > District, funded by an NSF grant, and directed by my associate, Dr. > Vincent Campbell. Vince says "Citizens were more aware of > arguments on both sides of important school issues after > participating in televoting than they were before." > > In 1992 The Liberal Party of Nova Scotia elected its new leader by > telephone. After one false start, turnout quadrupled to 97%. In '93 > the Liberals repeated this success in British Columbia. > > In 1993 The Voting by Phone Foundation in Boulder, Colorado was the > first in the country to put a citizen initiative, permitting the > option of phone voting, on the City ballot. With an amateur, under- > funded campaign, and with the opposition of the City Council, we > were defeated 59-41%. I am the volunteer director, and believe we > know how to win next time. We have 5 years of technical, legal, and > other research to share with others. Voting by Phone is more > secure, far cheaper and more ecological than existing methods, and > is ready to go to put an end to politics and create what our most > outspoken opponent called "true democracy". > > Here's some of what Bucky wrote in his book NO MORE SECONDHAND GOD, > in 1940: > > "In the great quasi "democracies," so far as the general scheming > of things is concerned the individual no longer exists...as citizen > man is expressed only as a party machine in the "body" politic, and > his government expresses a mean low average statistic "man." Any > social action, if at all, is weeks, months, and years laggard to > the thinking frontier of the individual... > > "Many people believe Democracy obsolete. They are wrong... I will > explain. That is, I will if it's Democracy you really wish to save, > and not some trick you have been getting away with behind its > kindly broad young back... > > "Democracy has potential within it the satisfaction of every > individual's need. But Democracy must be structurally modernized, > must be mechanically implemented, to give it a one-individual-to- > another speed and spontaneity of reaction commensurate with the > speed and scope of broadcast news... > > "Devise a mechanical means for nation-wide voting daily and > secretly by each adult citizen of Uncle Sam's family: Then -I > assure you will Democracy "be saved," indeed exist, for the first > time in history... > > "Electrified voting...promises a household efficiency superior to > any government of record because it incorporates not only the speed > of decision which is the greatest strength of the dictator, but > additional advantages which can never be his. > > "Additional advantages of electrified voting first coming to mind: > > "1. Provides an instantaneous contour map of the workable frontier > of the people's wisdom, for purposes of legislation, > administration, future exploration, and debate, so that neither > over nor under estimate may occur, of their will and ability. > > "2. Certifies spontaneous popular co-operation in the carrying out > of each decision. > > "3. No foreign power in the world can stand up against the unified > might thus invoked through the thrilling mystical awareness of > multimillions of individuals that they personally have taken > responsibility for the course... > > "7. It cuts right across all red-tape... > > "9. As direct evolution it cancels the possibility of revolution... > > "BUT if direct Democracy is not tried now, future generations will > again champion it, and there will be world civil wars until it > receives adequate trial." > > The civil wars over democracy are everywhere nowadays, and our > neighbor Mexico is a perfect example: The Zapatista rebels seek and > conduct their own affairs (when possible in time of war) by direct > democracy and say NAFTA was the symbol of the exploitation that > sparked their revolt. NAFTA according to the polls would > consistently have failed to be approved by US voters. > > We are again championing it. The October '94 MacWorld Magazine's > extensive survey shows the number one priority both readers and > citizens at large want from the "information highway" is to "Vote > in Elections." They could have had it 20 years ago without the > highway, pcs or modems, if not for the opposition of nearly all > politicians. The internet is the perfect channel for the > information that citizens need to make good choices. But a phone- > only vote (with a "ballot-worksheet" to prepare the string of tones > you enter) is easier to make secure than a modem connection. > > In the coming months we'll be starting a newsgroup and home page on > this very timely subject. Wired Magazine is likely to do a story. > (We made the Wall St. Journal and CBS Evening News in '92.) > Volunteer help is needed! We are at your service: > > The Voting by Phone Foundation, Evan Ravitz, director > 1130 11th St. #3, Boulder CO 80302. tel/fax: (303)440-6838 > evan@welcomehome.org > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 07:57:16 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: RBF RE VOTING X-To: Evan Ravitz In-Reply-To: ; from "Evan Ravitz" at May 25, 95 2:59 am Thank you for the post re Electronic Democracy. I, too, have come to the conclusion that the time has come for people to vote directly on all issues at all levels of government. People are right now developing the hardware and software to allow it to happen. I'm not a technical person so I can't debate the merits of HOW it should be done (phone, computer, etc.), but I do know that it needs to happen ASAP. Have you considered subscribing to the Geodesic list and persuing that particular thread? I'm sure there must be some among the thousands who get the Geodesic posts through the "gateway" that feel the same way you do. (PS: I forwarded your post to the Geodesic list.) And thank you for the Bucky quotes; It took some time to type those in. I would like to encourage people to post their favorite Bucky quote. Over time we could build up quite a collection in the BUCKY ELECTRONIC ARCHIVE. Blaine D'Amico has already put together one CD based on materials from the archives. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 08:28:01 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic Software X-To: EMERSONRPI@aol.com In-Reply-To: <950525082615_11787711@aol.com>; from "EMERSONRPI@aol.com" at May 25, 95 8:26 am (Blush). So far, to the best of my knowledge, only REFERENCES have been posted to the Geodesic list (which is automatically archived, BTW). Very little source code has been posted, much less actual compiled code. We now have at least two FTP sites where materials of all sort may be uploaded: cpp.critpath.org (Critical Path Project) and ftp.newciv.org (New Civilization). I would like to invite you to subscribe to the Geodesic list and help coordinate people's contributions of software so that we don't get duplication of materials on the servers. There seems to be evolving a natural, voluntary, division of labor where different people are coordinating different aspects of Fuller's ideas: Electronic Democracy, Geodesic Software, Bibliographies, Server Tending and Coordination, Front End Development, FAQ Maintenance, etc, etc. I think the R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE is evolving before our very eyes this very moment! -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 08:32:03 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: binary artifact: strange attractor (fwd) PAWARS@cgs.edu writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Thu May 25 08:27:17 1995 > From: PAWARS@cgs.edu > Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 08:22:42 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: Synergetics: binary artifact: strange attractor > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Message-id: <01HQWVKUXD8I8WWTAB@cgs.edu> > X-VMS-To: IN%"synergetics-l@teleport.com" > MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > Consideration Three, Point Two Pictures: > You should be able to download a truckload of GIF's from the > Website (http://www.newciv.org/Books/secret.html) > they are labeled according to where they appear in the hardcopy. > > c3_2a > \ \ \__first picture in this Point > \ \_____Point 2 > \________consideration 3 > > > ..arrogance? maybe..but it it gets someone pissed off at me enough to do > something about it, then I've done my job, which is to inform and motivate . > > Thanks for your thoughts, Gerald. > > -Kris > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 17:16:46 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: cmerle@OSUUNX.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK Subject: Re: BUCKY'S MAPS In article <199505211825.LAA06119@mail.netcom.com>, Joe Moore wrote: >MCGINTY CRAIG LANDON writes: >> >> I'm curious to know: >> since Bucky's Dymaxion maps more successfully transfer the surface of a >> sphere (i.e., our planet) to two-dimensional surfaces than other maps, >> why does the public educational system still utilize the older ones in >> which the continents sustain tremendous distortion? >> >> C.McGinty >> .- >> > >The fact that the copyrights won't expire for 50 years after Fuller's death >may have something to do with it. > But Bucky Fuller patented his Dymaxion map in the early 40's. So, any map based on his cartography should not be a problem to reproduce. I think that the problem with not using it in public education is symptomatic of all p.e. "why don't they do this, or that?." Unless, congress grants an extension to RBF's patents, even the last ones granted will expire by the year 2000. From my reading of his works, he was more concerned in being able to document his achievements, than them being a commercial success. Chris > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- cmerle@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu | "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, Christopher Merle | scream, and shout." Lazarus Long ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:36:27 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Boyes Organization: University of Hertfordshire Subject: Can Reinforce Concrete Structure be built with Geodesics ?? To whom it may concern, I would like to know if there are any plans to sue geodesics & the inherent structures for the frame/form work of heavy duty reinforced concrete structures. These structures are to be capable of withstanding vast physical atmospheric overpressures & still function with good protective qualities afterwards. I regret that there location has not yet been decided, but only CONUS area, is the only geographical info available. The wall panels would be anything upto 600mm (2') thick & the structure will be partially buried. Are there any takers for this one ??!! Yours, Gavin BOYES. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 14:25:59 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: BUCKY'S MAPS wrote: >>The fact that the copyrights won't expire for 50 years after Fuller's death >>may have something to do with it. >> >But Bucky Fuller patented his Dymaxion map in the early 40's. Patents and copyrights are different. US patents expire 17 years after issue. Copyrights last longer. Patents are usually for processes or machines. Bucky probably copyrighted his map, not patented it. >Unless, congress grants an extension to RBF's patents, I'm pretty sure congress has never extended the life of a patent, and never will. Like I said, US patents expire 17 years after issue. Nobody can "extend them." Nick (speaking ex-cathedra as a registered US patent agent) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:32:49 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: MCGINTY CRAIG LANDON Subject: Re: BUCKY'S MAPS In-Reply-To: <9505251759.AA09541@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> On Wed, 24 May 1995 cmerle@OSUUNX.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU wrote: > In article <199505211825.LAA06119@mail.netcom.com>, > Joe Moore wrote: > >MCGINTY CRAIG LANDON writes: > >> > >> I'm curious to know: > >> since Bucky's Dymaxion maps more successfully transfer the surface of a > >> sphere (i.e., our planet) to two-dimensional surfaces than other maps, > >> why does the public educational system still utilize the older ones in > >> which the continents sustain tremendous distortion? > >> > >> C.McGinty > >> .- > >> > > > >The fact that the copyrights won't expire for 50 years after Fuller's death > >may have something to do with it. > > > But Bucky Fuller patented his Dymaxion map in the early 40's. So, any > map based on his cartography should not be a problem to reproduce. I > think that the problem with not using it in public education is > symptomatic of all p.e. "why don't they do this, or that?." Unless, > congress grants an extension to RBF's patents, even the last ones > granted will expire by the year 2000. From my reading of his works, he > was more concerned in being able to document his achievements, than > them being a commercial success. > > Chris Thanks for the information. I admit, I'm not as knowledgable as the rest of you out there, but I have been enjoying reading the discussions surrounding stress analysis and tensegrities. So if I ask dumb questions about Bucky's work that I've found difficult to understand after reading the literature, please have patience. My interpretation was similar to Chris's. Craig McGinty Bucky enthusiast and trying-hard-to-understand-his-work person. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 21:48:18 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD" Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: Summary: The Beautiful Worlds of Frank LLoyd Wright & Buckminster Fuller X-To: geodesic-l (via bitserv), synergetics-l, wholesys-l, ncncommunity-l (pls forward to appropriate lists or groups) =============================== Note: this summary is widely cross-posted due to inquiries from members of different lists. If you want to comment to this summary or have further questions, please reply to _your_ list (and/or me) only. =============================== In a nutshell: This was an excellent lecture which delivered an enormous amount of subjects to think about in a very short time. The lecture will be repeated (at least once at the Santa Barbara BFI) and everybody interested in the basic questions of survival of the human race should positively try to attend. ============================== Wednesday, May 24th, 1995 Dr. George T. Potter, Professer and President Emeritus of Ramapo College of New Jersey amd Active Member of the Buckminster Fuller Institute gave a lecture with the title: The Beautiful Worlds of Frank LLoyd Wright & Buckminster Fuller --------------------------------------------------------------- A discussion of areas of agreement and disagreement between the two men of genius. The event took place at the Gallery Theatre at Barnsdall Art Park in Hollywood, California. The theatre was filled to about 70-80% and perhaps there would have been more people if the parking lots would not have been filled completely. (It's quite a walk to Theatre if you can't get a parking up on the hill.) I would estimate somewhere in between 120-160 people attended and nearly all stayed to the end of the 1 hour 45 minutes long lecture. Among the guests were Bucky's daughter as well. After an introduction to the lifes of Bucky and FLW before they met the first time around 1930/31, Dr. Potter talked about the: Areas of Disagreement --------------------- 1. Mass-produced dweelings Bucky's idea was, of course, to build low-cost housings in high quantities whereas Frank abhored this idea: "Yes, dwelling at the rate mechanization has progressed would arrive at a chassis - demountable rims, too - in ten years for a large percentage of the caged fools living in New Yorke. But not if I win." 2. Broadacre City approach FLW's idea was to have communities spread over the country, connected through Henry Ford's automobiles. Bucky envisioned the 'Global Community' - kind of a big family aboard Spaceship Earth. 3. Commitment to Dymaxion ideas Dr.Potter's explanation of the name 'Dymaxion': Bucky's '4D-House' and '4D-technology' in general did not sound that flashy for many people then, and when Bucky's '4D-House' made the round in shows in the US, the word 'Dymaxion' was coined to make it more pallatable. Be it as it may, the 'more for less' approach was a bit too much ahead of its time, it appeared, and FLW did not quite go with it. 4. Usonia and Spaceship Earth FLW did not really befriend these concepts. He was rather into nationalistic than global thinking (Note: I myself do not think at all that both concepts would be mutually exclusive - jhs) Areas of Agreement 1. Higher education's errors Both FLW and Bucky were University-drop-outs, Bucky at Harvard, FLW at Wisconsin Univ. According to Dr.Potter, the intellectual stimulus was just not big enough for these great men. They agreed that education should be more broadly, rather than specialized in order to gain the 'big picture'. 2. Economic system is off base FLW and Bucky further agreed that the money system is not adequate to provide incentive and/or compensation for the real value people bring into the world. In the short overview over Bucky's first 'real' (published) book 'Nine Chains to the Moon' that Dr.Potter handed out as a flyer during the lecture, it is mentioned that Bucky pointed out, for example, that "historically Mort meant 'death' and gage meant to bind as by a formal promise so persons who took out mortgages could expect to make payments on them until they died." Btw, the title of Bucky's book 'Nine Chains to the Moon' came about because "if all the earth's 2 1/3 billion people were to stand on one another's heads, they would form... nine complete chains to the moon". 3. Wars should be avoided Bucky thought that there would be no war if the basic needs of all people were fullfilled, and FLW concurred either for this and/or other reasons. An interesting proposition was made (FLW or Bucky?): "What if all people of a nation would have to vote whether the nation should enter into a war and Congress would approve war on a 2/3 majority vote of the population. Then, if the population voted for the war, everybody who voted would be obliged to fight in this war (rather than drafting those who did not vote for the war)." 4. Individualism & Democracy Both men obviously were convinced that creativity and true value is always based on the achievement of _individual persons_ rather than collective efforts, or worse, politicians or bankers. "Neither political convention nor legislation ever brought a potato into being." Democracy was seen by Bucky as a constant, daily voting on all subjects of interest, in especially, of course, things like war, taxes, etc. At this point in the lecture time was starting to run out, unfortunately, and Dr.Potter finished with a quick sequence of Bucky-novelties, including: Aerodynamic cars (30'), Combination of Car and Airplane House Built from Recycable Materiels (30's), Televoting per TV (1942), Dymaxion World Maps (2 different ones), Selfcontained, Resource-recycling House Design (late 20's) I had the feeling that Dr.Potter could have talked a lot more about the areas of (dis)agreements between FLW and Bucky if he would have had the time and that it would have been most certainly very, very interesting to listen to him talking about these subjects. It surprised again and again me how close the arguments of FLW and Bucky resemble today's arguments on, let's say, the WholeSystems list (wholesys-l). It also is in a sense disheartening to see that the same questions about we argue today had been argued over more than 60 years ago by FLW and Bucky. How much did we really learn since then ?? I would have wished that there would have been some info about ongoing activities (Internet groups, World Game, Bucky's 100th Birthday celebrations, BFI, etc) available at the lecture. It seemed most everybody in the audience was pleased and stimulated by the lecture and many of them might want to join in the current game(s). Perhaps there could be a flyer with the BFI address, the main mailing lists and Web pages available at the next lecture(s) ? This brief summary of the excellent lecture of Dr.Potter is just a snapshot of what was said and shown. It was one of the most interesting lectures that I heard in quite some time, and, again, everybody interested in these areas should positively try to attend whenever/wherever Dr.Potter will give this lecture again. Joachim **************************************************************** ** Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD TransMillennium, Inc. ** ** E-mail: jhs@newciv.org CompuServe: 71762,1757 ** **************************************************************** ** The New Civilization Network: A Community in Cyberspace ** ** Web: http://www.newciv.org/ Mailbot: listserv@newciv.org ** **************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 08:43:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "David F. Watkins" Subject: Re: RBF RE VOTING In-Reply-To: <199505260128.VAA10684@locke.ccil.org> On Thu, 25 May 1995, Joe Moore wrote: > Thank you for the post re Electronic Democracy. I, too, have come to the > conclusion that the time has come for people to vote directly on all issues at > all levels of government. People are right now developing the hardware and > software to allow it to happen. I'm not a technical person so I can't debate > the merits of HOW it should be done (phone, computer, etc.), but I do know > that it needs to happen ASAP. Have you considered subscribing to the Geodesic > list and persuing that particular thread? I'm sure there must be some among > the thousands who get the Geodesic posts through the "gateway" that feel the > same way you do. (PS: I forwarded your post to the Geodesic list.) And thank > you for the Bucky quotes; It took some time to type those in. I would like to > encourage people to post their favorite Bucky quote. Over time we could build > up quite a collection in the BUCKY ELECTRONIC ARCHIVE. Blaine D'Amico has > already put together one CD based on materials from the archives. First Joe, thanks for all the fine work you are doing on the Geodesic list. I haven't made but one prior post but have been reading everything. With regard to electronic voting on all issues, I have some reservations. Electronic balloting for electing people to office I am for. What about complex issues. Let's say we were to vote on the issuance of permits to build geodesic domes. What percent of the voting public do you believe would be able to understand all the issues that would need to be seriously considered? Where do you believe the 'special interest' money would come from? I would wager that construction and realty firms with a huge stake in the status quo would make large contributions to campaign against any proposal to expand the issuance of permits for domes. In the public debate, who would be considered the 'experts' by the public? Again it would probably be architects, engineers and construction people with a stake in the status quo. I would also be concerned about the potential 'tyranny of the majority'. How would a vote on US relations with let's say Iran have done on the day after the Oklahoma City bombing, before we found out it wasn't done by 'Middle East Terrorist'? Senator McCarthy had huge public support at one time. I dread to think what legislation he could have gotten through if he had access to the kind of electronic balloting that we are talking about. I basically like the idea of electronic balloting. I liked it better when I first read about it in Bucky's writing than after given thought to it in our current political context. Our political system seems to be so driven by 'sound bites' and advertising that I'm not sure issue based electronic balloting will work without the development of additional channels for informing the public about political issues. What I would propose is to institute direct electronic balloting for candidates and then, once we have more experience with that, move toward balloting for issues. **************************************************************************** * COOPERATION>COMPETITION * est.enuf.4.all * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * David F. Watkins * dwat@locke.ccil.org * **************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 08:18:03 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: Grand Unification Theory (fwd) PAWARS@cgs.edu writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Thu May 25 13:04:39 1995 > From: PAWARS@cgs.edu > Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:07:54 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: Synergetics: Grand Unification Theory > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Message-id: <01HQX5VBZROI8WWW81@cgs.edu> > X-VMS-To: IN%"synergetics-l@teleport.com" > MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > ...in a few days (say May 28 or 29) we will have a fresh version of my book: > WWW: http:/www.newciv.org/Books/secret/html > FTP: ftp.newciv.org/books/secret.zip > > The generic version will be ascii files and GIF's, but the Windows version > is Word for Windows with embedded graphics. > > The purpose of the book is to inform and motivate people to apply a > coalescence of Synergetics. The overall structure is four polyhedrons: > 12 points in the VE > 12 points in the icosahedron > 4 points in the tetrahedron > 6 points in the octahedron. > > I call these four sections Considerations. > When giving me feedback about my book, please use a "Cx.x" format, i.e. > "I like Consideration 4.2, but C4.3 really sux..." > My concern is to make this monster as motivational and informative as possibl . > > Thank you one and all. > > -Kris, care/of pawars@cgs.edu > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 09:01:55 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: LISTS VS NEWSGROUPS X-To: amkalenak@aol.com In-Reply-To: <9505260432.AA16435@newsbf02.news.aol.com>; from "amkalenak@aol.com" at May 26, 95 12:32 am amkalenak@aol.com writes: > > Joe > > I access the bit.listserv.geodesic newsgroup thru aol. > > Will you tell me more about the Geodesics list. > Does this vary form bit.listserv.geodesic. > You seem to make a distinction. > Being a newbie, ive yet to get a handle on all the ins and outs > and nooks and cranies of the net. > > thanks for your time > > this is all great stuff :-) > > tony > .- > The posts to a newsgroup are only held temporarily by your provider (the length of time varies). Saving articles is usually up to each individual reader. A "list" is sort of like an electronic newsletter where each post to the list is automatically duplicated and sent to each subscriber of the list (There are some 6000+ lists!) Some lists are what they call "gatewayed", that is, any post to a gatewayed list is not only sent to the subscribers, but also to gatewayed newsgroup. The Geodesic list is such a list. Posts to it go to the subscribers (150+) and to the several thousand (estimated) readers of the bit.listserv.geodesic newsgroup. If you wish to subscribe to the Geodesic List, in the "To:" line of your post put bit.listserv.geodesic (That's the name of the computer that handles this particular list. Some "servers" manage hundreds of lists.) Leave the "Subject:" line blank. In the body of your post at the far left margin put the following: subscribe geodesic yourfirstname yourlastname The first word is the command to the computer. The second word is the name of the list. The third word is your first name. The fourth word is your last name. That's it! In an hour or so (depending on net traffic) you will get a response from the computer. Follow whatever instructions it may have carefully. Most lists work in a similar manner. Yell if you have a problem subscribing. Welcome aboard! Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:29:21 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY VIRTUAL INSTITUTE X-cc: Synergetics List THE R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE by Joe S. Moore May 26, 1995 If you note any Additions, Deletions or Errors please Correct & Repost. A. WORLD WIDE WEB (WWW) SITES 1. Kirby Urner http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ 2. New Civ Network http://www.newciv.org/ 3. World Game Inst http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/WGI.html 4. Synergetics Inst http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/index.html 5. Fearnley's FAQ http://www.netaxs.com/people/cjf/fuller-faq.html 6. Chris Rywalt http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/crywalt/inventions/ 7. Rod Siqueira http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/ 9. http:// B. NEWSGROUPS 1. Gatewayed from Geodesic List bit.listserv.geodesic 2. . C. INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC) 1. Discussion of Fuller's Ideas (weekends) /join #geodesic 2. /join # D. SUBSCRIPTION LISTS 1. Geodesic (RBF's Works Discussion) listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu 2. Synergetics-l (Synergetics Discussion) majordomo@teleport.com 3. Wholesys-l (Abundance Economics) listserv@netcom.com 4. Wholeinfo-l (Summary of wholesys-l) listserv@netcom.com 5. E. AUTOMATED E-MAIL UPDATE SERVICES 1. NetNews Filtering Server (Body: "help") netnews@db.stanford.edu 2. BuckminsterFullerene Updates (Body: "help") bucky@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu 3. F. FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL (FTP) SITES 1. New Civilization Network ftp.newciv.org 2. Critical Path Project cpp.critpath.org 3. Dave C. Kaplowitz's Site switchboard.ftp.com 4. G. SEARCHES ENGINES 1. Gopher a. Dave C. Kaplowitz's Server Switchboard.ftp.com Port 70 b. 2. Archie 3. Veronica 4. Wide Area Information Service (WAIS) 5. H. SEARCHABLE ELECTRONIC ARCHIVES 1. Geodesic listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu 2. @ I. ASSOCIATED ORGANIZATIONS 1. Buckminster Fuller Institute bfi@aol.com 2. Global Energy Network International geni@cerf.net 3. World Game Institute xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu 4. Critical Path Project kiyoshi@cpp.pha.pa.us 5. @ J. OTHER ELECTRONIC ADDRESSES 1. Multiple User Dimensions (MUDS) 2. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 16:42:51 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Seth J. Itzkan" Subject: Bucky Centennial Events in Cambridge/Boston I'm looking to organize Bucky centennial events in the Cambridge/Boston area and am wondering what others around here are up to or would like to do. I've already reserved the parish hall in the Old Cambridge Baptist Church in Harvard Square for all day Saturday July 15th and am looking for people to help make this a memorable event. Let me know what you have in mind. Thanks, Seth J. Itzkan BBN Educational Technologies 150 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge MA 02140 617-873-3163 sitzkan@bbn.com Seth J. Itzkan BBN Educational Technologies 150 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge MA 02140 617-873-3163 sitzkan@bbn.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 14:54:23 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Geometric trivia (was Retrofit & Ecology) >Date: Fri, 26 May 95 16:16 CDT >Errors-To: fholson@maroon.tc.umn.edu >Reply-To: cohousing-l@uci.com >Originator: cohousing-l@uci.com >Sender: cohousing-l@uci.com >Precedence: bulk >From: Harry_Pasternak@tvo.org (Harry Pasternak) >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Geometric trivia (was Retrofit & Ecology) >X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > >Dave >Just in case anyone really wants to know. A team of Rudolph Doernach, Fri >Otto and Bucky designed the first geodesic dome. >Doernach built the world's first energy efficient house in 1954 (and lived in >it) and heated it with one baseboard heater--blagh-- blagh--! >Harry Pasternak >Thousand Islands Institute >The Independent Centre For Housing Research & Education >(Harry_Pasternak@tvo.org) > >- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: Subject: Patents To Nick, and others, <> * I'm not a patent lawyer or agent; just an interested layperson. But in the last couple of days, both the NY Times and the Boston Globe have carried stories about how some patents (and I'm not sure why some and not others) have been extended to 20 years, because of GATT efforts to make patents more uniform throughout the world. In particular, regarding patents on drugs, which up until now in the US have expired 17 years after issuance, "Effective June 8, the patents will extend to 20 years from the date the manufacturers filed for a patent." -- Boston Globe, 26 May '95, p. 10, attributed to the Associated Press. Doug Holmes ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 21:14:15 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ed Applewhite Subject: Re: Geometric trivia (was Retrofit & Ecology) Kirby: Why do you send this without any critical comment? Ed Apple ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 11:11:20 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BFVIDPIC.LHA FILE X-To: Synergetics List Has anyone successfully uncompressed the file named "bfvidpic.lha" that I FTPd to several sites a few days ago? If so, would you mind please letting me know? My provider is complaining that I am exceeding my personal storage space limit (3 megs) and would like me to delete it, but I am reluctant to do so until I am sure that someone has successfully received the file and uncrunched it. (It took me 4 hours to upload it from my ancient system to my provider's hard drive!) I would hate to have to go through that again. Thanks, Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 11:25:08 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY PD VIDEOTAPE X-To: elias@magi.com Elias, The Global Energy Network International (GENI) has offered to include the videotape "Selected Ideas of Buckminster Fuller" in their catalog. I think they are asking $15.00 for one VHS copy. They can be reached at geni@cerf.net Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 14:16:30 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: NEWSPAPER ARTICLE X-cc: l3@interaccess.com From: Linda Lucht Subject: CHICAGO TRIBUNE ARTICLE QUOTE: The story "Odd Man Out" written by Tribune Staff Writer, Wes Smith, features a photo of the Fuller home under construction in Carbondale, IL (1960); a photo of Fuller; a diagram of the Dymaxion car and two smaller sketches of his prefabricated, portable Dymaxion house (Sources: Southern Illinois University, AP and Buckminster Fuller Institue). Another shot of Fuller pointing to a model of his Dymaxion Dwelling Machine house at Marshall Field & Company was taken from the Tribune photo file. It was a rather extensive piece for a newspaper to carry. The writer opened with the controversy dealing with the Carbondale site by stating that the city is even thinking about bulldozing it. The article was most informative. The phone number for the CHICAGO TRIBUNE is 312/222-3232. Linda Lucht END QUOTE -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 15:27:42 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FIBERGLASS DOMES X-To: "Matthew A. Clark" In-Reply-To: <199505272216.QAA17408@freedom.nmsu.edu>; from "Matthew A. Clark" at May 27, 95 4:21 pm Matthew A. Clark writes: > > Joe, your name is literally all over the geodesic newsgroup! I know > someone that is starting a business based on fiberglass dome technology. > I wanted to forward your e-mail address to her. Is this ok? She'll > probably have lots of questions and you seem to be the Internet "Shell > Answer Man" of domes. > > Thanks, > > Matt > .- > Perfectly OK. Have her check out DOME magazine (donh@hoflin.com); see article on pages 4-6 of Winter 92-3 issue re small fiberglass Fly's Eye playdome. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 21:04:15 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Lockley Subject: Tribune article From: Linda Lucht Subject: CHICAGO TRIBUNE ARTICLE QUOTE: The story "Odd Man Out" written by Tribune Staff Writer, Wes Smith, features a photo of the Fuller home under construction in Carbondale, IL (1960); a photo of Fuller; a diagram of the Dymaxion car and two smaller sketches of his prefabricated, portable Dymaxion house (Sources: Southern Illinois University, AP and Buckminster Fuller Institue). Another shot of Fuller pointing to a model of his Dymaxion Dwelling Machine house at Marshall Field & Company was taken from the Tribune photo file. It was a rather extensive piece for a newspaper to carry. The writer opened with the controversy dealing with the Carbondale site by stating that the city is even thinking about bulldozing it. The article was most informative. The phone number for the CHICAGO TRIBUNE is 312/222-3232. Linda Lucht --------------------------------------------- >From what I understand by assisting the current renters/rehabbers of the dome, Kim & Pete Depaoli (who are doing a great job), the Bucky dome in Carbondale is owned by a Mike Mitchell who lives in CA and it is not for sale at this time. I believe the city has recently made a sizable offer (according to Kim) which has been turned down. Carbondale can't come around and bull-doze a privately owned structure, I hope. Over and above its historical significance, it's a perfectly viable residence which is currently being renovated. Hopefully the research for the article was done before Kim and Pete started work and talk of demolition is a miscommunication due to timing. I know Bill Perk mentioned the possibility of replacing the current structure with a Fly's Eye at some point but that plan has at least three obstacles: 1) the city doesn't own Bucky's dome, 2) Mr. Mitchell doesn't want to sell, 3) is it logical to buy a property for its historic value then tear it down? A Fly Eye's might be prettier and newer and more technically advanced but you would lose forever the sense that Bucky lived there, worked there, dreamed and wrote in THIS VERY SPOT. My God I've gotten political and sentimental in the same post. Please forgive me! Walt klockley@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 05:12:41 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Butterfly Organization: Evolutionary Acceleration, Inc. Subject: Re: Great map from the BFI ross@kea.ak.planet.co.nz (Ross Keatinge) writes: -I think the BFI deserves a plug. -I've just received two of their new Dymaxion maps derived from computer -enhanced satellite photographs. -I highly recommend them. They are absolutely stunning. -I'm tempted to order some more and try to get them on display in suitable -public places. -Regards --- -Ross Keatinge ross@kea.ak.planet.co.nz -Auckland -New Zealand That sounds quite nice! I've been looking for a digitized dymaxion map for a while, and even considered scanning one in. I thought it would make for an excellent clickable image on web pages for all sorts of different applications, from perhaps making an interactive world resource map, to a "zoomable" map tied in with GIS databases that get updated in realtime and provide instant data from around the planet. Ideally, I've long wanted to put this into a palmtop-linked computer so that you'd have a sort of "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Earth." I think the technology is finally here for that. :-) -- Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 - 415/703-7177 Web: Patrick Salsbury Mail with "sendkey" in subject line to get my PGP key. ----------------------- I've seen the wiring under the board. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 05:18:31 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Butterfly Organization: Evolutionary Acceleration, Inc. Subject: Re: LISTS VS NEWSGROUPS To add to Joe's post re: subscribing to the mailing list, I've included the GEODESIC info-file below. One thing that may not have been clear from Joe's post about the difference between mailing list and newsgroups: With a newsgroup, you go and "visit" the group, picking what you'd like to read, or not read. With a mailing list, you're subscribed. You get EVERY single posting in your mailbox. It takes up your disk quota. If someone posted a 3 Megabyte GIF image to the list, you'll get it in your mailbox. If you have a disk quota, it's something to consider. (Not that people are always posting huge files, but there IS a lot of traffic, and you'll get every bit of it.) Here's the info file: (Snip snip) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe, send mail to LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET and in the body of your letter put the line: SUB GEODESIC When you want to post, send mail to GEODESIC@UBVM.BITNET ******NOT***** to LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET! LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET is for subscriptions, administrivia, archive requests, etc. GEODESIC@UBVM.BITNET is the actual discussion group. Anything sent to GEODESIC will go to all members. (And you don't want to look like a jerk having everyone see your "SUB GEODESIC John Q. Public" command! ;^) ) This list is also linked to USENET in the group bit.listserv.geodesic You can subscribe to the list, [thereby helping us to have an accurate idea how many people are reading the group] and still read the messages through news, if you like. (That's what I do. I prefer not getting every post in my e-mail, but I want people to be able to find my address, if necessary.) If you'd like to be on the membership list, but not get mail, then after you subscribe, send mail to LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET with the message SET GEODESIC NOMAIL This will remain in effect until you use SET GEODESIC MAIL to change it again. If you want to receive copies of everything you send to the list, use the command SET GEODESIC REPRO. If you DON'T want copies, use SET GEODESIC NOREPRO. (You may want to save this file to forward on to people who are interested, as it tells what the list is about, and how to subscribe.) -- Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 - 415/703-7177 Web: Patrick Salsbury Mail with "sendkey" in subject line to get my PGP key. ----------------------- I've seen the wiring under the board. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 05:48:09 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Butterfly Organization: Evolutionary Acceleration, Inc. Subject: Re: The Book (fwd) Joe Moore writes: -PAWARS@cgs.edu writes: -> From cgsvax.cgs.edu!cgs.edu!pawars Tue May 16 20:18:56 1995 -> Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 20:20:34 -0700 (PDT) -> From: PAWARS@cgs.edu -> Subject: The Book -> To: joemoore@cruzio.com -> Message-id: <01HQL0FLA6028WWN8F@cgs.edu> -> X-VMS-To: IN%"joemoore@CRUZIO.COM" -> MIME-version: 1.0 -> Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII -> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT -> -> Dear Joe: -> I'm doing final graphics editing on the GIF's before I send it to -> Dr. Joachim Steingrubner who has a Website. If you don't know -> Dr. Steingrubner's e-mail etc, I'll e-mail it to you. -> -> I was going to upload it to a cyberpunk named Nomad who has a Website, -> but I haven't heard from him...BTW, do you know any other sites where -> they would put my book out? -> .- -> Send me more info, please. I've got a web site, and an FTP site. Also, to reiterate from a private email to Joe, I may be able to mirror his files on my FTP site at work, and whenever I finally get my house onto the Net, I could move it there for a permanent site. I plan on constructing a Design Science archive at home, but that's going to be a while. (Probably not for at least 6 months, maybe longer.) -- Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 - 415/703-7177 Web: Patrick Salsbury Mail with "sendkey" in subject line to get my PGP key. ----------------------- I've seen the wiring under the board. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 05:51:56 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Butterfly Organization: Evolutionary Acceleration, Inc. Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Joe Moore writes: -JamesB7801@aol.com writes: -> -> The address HARVEST279 no longer exists. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's the tricky bit. Unsubscribing only works from the account that subscribed. Otherwise, people could unsubscribe YOU. -> I have lost the instructions on how to unsubscribe. -> Please send me the instructions. -> .- -> -In the "To:" line put listserv@ubvm.bitnet -Leave the "Subject:" line blank -At the left margin of the message body put the command: -signoff geodesic -That's it. -Joe I've taken care of the HARVEST address from this end. Should be ok, now. -- Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 - 415/703-7177 Web: Patrick Salsbury Mail with "sendkey" in subject line to get my PGP key. ----------------------- I've seen the wiring under the board. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 06:50:44 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Thomas Mundell Subject: Re: HALL OF FAME In-Reply-To: <199505251457.KAA11274@server1.capaccess.org> I second the motion on nominating Blaine D'Amico for the hall of Fame. Beside his work on the CD, Blaine every yearteaches high school science teachers about Bucky to help improve the science in the high schools in the Washington, D. C. area. On Thu, 25 May 1995, Joe Moore wrote: > I hereby nominate Blaine D'Amico for the > > R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER VIRTUAL HALL OF FAME > > for producing the first Bucky CD in the history of Spaceship Earth. > > > > -- > > JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 > CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 07:59:54 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: FIBERGLASS DOMES X-To: "Matthew A. Clark" In-Reply-To: ; from "Matthew A. Clark" at May 27, 95 7:03 pm Matthew A. Clark writes: > > >Perfectly OK. Have her check out DOME magazine (donh@hoflin.com); see articl e > >on pages 4-6 of Winter 92-3 issue re small fiberglass Fly's Eye playdome. > > Joe, great! Is that e-mail address with DOME magazine that of the editor? > DOME Magazine is hard copy, isn't it? > > > Matt > > > .- > Yes. His name is Donald R. Hoflin. 303-934-5656 (6am-6pm Denver, CO time) I think it's an excellent magazine; the only one I know of that specializes in geodesic dome coverage. Lots of names, addresses and phone #s in back. Joe Clinton contributes articles, so do dome company owners, people who live in dome homes, etc, etc. I even contributed one small article. (I guess I just convinced myself that I'm going to have to resubscribe. It's a quarterly, about $40.00/year. ----------------------- To Everybody: If anyone knows of any other magazines that cover Bucky's ideas on a regular basis, would you mind posting a brief description to the Geodesic list or e-mail it to me and I will forward your article to the Geodesic list. Thank you, Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 11:11:24 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: Bucky Centennial Event in Cambridge Hi Folks, I'd like set up an Internet video conference between the Centennial event in San Diego and the one I'm trying to put together here in Cambridge. We can use the CUSeeMe program to make this happen on a T1 or 56K Internet connection. I'm also trying to get Harvard or M.I.T. to donate some space and resources for this. If anyone has suggestions for contacts or would like to help, please contact me. Thanks, - Seth ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 13:27:02 NZT Reply-To: ross@kea.ak.planet.co.nz Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ross Keatinge Subject: Re: Great map from the BFI >Ross Keatinge wrote: > ><enhanced satellite photographs. > >I highly recommend them. They are absolutely stunning.>> > >* Ross, could you kindly provide us the name or product description, and >price of this new map? Is it based on the photo enhancement work done by Tom >Van Sant, piecing to together a mosaic of cloudless satellite photos? Thanks. > >DBHolmes I can't see that name anywhere. The digital image processing was done by Worldsat International Inc. They come from the Buckminster Fuller Institute and cost $15.50 plus $4.50 shipping. Here is their physical and email address. I suggest you contact them and get their catalog. They have other interesting things too although there have been a few postings recently which suggest a bit of a cloud over their future. Buckminster Fuller Institute 2040 Alameda Padre Serra Suite 224 Santa Barbara CA 93103 Email bfi@aol.com Regards -- Ross Keatinge ross@kea.ak.planet.co.nz Auckland New Zealand ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 08:32:38 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Bucky Centennial Event in Cambridge In-Reply-To: ; from "Seth Itzkan" at May 28, 95 11:11 am Seth Itzkan writes: > > Hi Folks, > > I'd like set up an Internet video conference between the Centennial event > in San Diego and the one I'm trying to put together here in Cambridge. We > can use the CUSeeMe program to make this happen on a T1 or 56K Internet > connection. > > > I'm also trying to get Harvard or M.I.T. to donate some space and resources > for this. > > If anyone has suggestions for contacts or would like to help, please > contact me. > > Thanks, > > - Seth > .- > Seth, E-mail Peter Meisen at GENI. He is it's director and GENI is the organization behind the San Diego event. Their electronic address is: geni@cerf.net Phone # is 619-595-0139. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 15:56:05 -0300 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: BUCKY VIRTUAL INSTITUTE Joe-- The listings for Critical Path should all be @critpath.org Our WWW AIDS site will go online in a couple of weeks and our Bucky WWW page will go online in July or August. http://www.critpath.org/ --Kiyoshi > THE R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE > > by Joe S. Moore May 26, 1995 > >If you note any Additions, Deletions or Errors please Correct & Repost. > > >A. WORLD WIDE WEB (WWW) SITES > 1. Kirby Urner http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ > 2. New Civ Network http://www.newciv.org/ > 3. World Game Inst http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/WGI.html > 4. Synergetics Inst http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/index.html > 5. Fearnley's FAQ http://www.netaxs.com/people/cjf/fuller-faq.html > 6. Chris Rywalt http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/crywalt/inventions/ > 7. Rod Siqueira http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/ > 9. http:// > >B. NEWSGROUPS > 1. Gatewayed from Geodesic List bit.listserv.geodesic > 2. . > >C. INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC) > 1. Discussion of Fuller's Ideas (weekends) /join #geodesic > 2. /join # > >D. SUBSCRIPTION LISTS > 1. Geodesic (RBF's Works Discussion) listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu > 2. Synergetics-l (Synergetics Discussion) majordomo@teleport.com > 3. Wholesys-l (Abundance Economics) listserv@netcom.com > 4. Wholeinfo-l (Summary of wholesys-l) listserv@netcom.com > 5. > >E. AUTOMATED E-MAIL UPDATE SERVICES > 1. NetNews Filtering Server (Body: "help") netnews@db.stanford.edu > 2. BuckminsterFullerene Updates (Body: "help") bucky@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu > 3. > >F. FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL (FTP) SITES > 1. New Civilization Network ftp.newciv.org > 2. Critical Path Project cpp.critpath.org > 3. Dave C. Kaplowitz's Site switchboard.ftp.com > 4. > >G. SEARCHES ENGINES > 1. Gopher > a. Dave C. Kaplowitz's Server Switchboard.ftp.com Port 70 > b. > 2. Archie > 3. Veronica > 4. Wide Area Information Service (WAIS) > 5. > >H. SEARCHABLE ELECTRONIC ARCHIVES > 1. Geodesic listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu > 2. @ > >I. ASSOCIATED ORGANIZATIONS > 1. Buckminster Fuller Institute bfi@aol.com > 2. Global Energy Network International geni@cerf.net > 3. World Game Institute xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu > 4. Critical Path Project kiyoshi@cpp.pha.pa.us > 5. @ > >J. OTHER ELECTRONIC ADDRESSES > 1. Multiple User Dimensions (MUDS) > 2. > >-- > >JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > _____________________________________________________________ Kiyoshi Kuromiya, Project Director Critical Path Project Email: kiyoshi@critpath.org Hotline: (215) 545-2212 (24-hr) Fax: (215) 735-2762 Internet: (215) 463-7160 Web Home Page: (under construction) Beeper: (800) 973-8084 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 15:59:05 -0300 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: Patents Doug-- The reason patents have been extended is that because of the long development and approval time required for AIDS drugs in development, pharmaceutical companies have a shorter length of time to recover their development costs--hence, the extension for those reasons. --Kiyoshi >To Nick, and others, > ><never will. Like I said, US patents expire 17 years after issue. Nobody >can "extend them.">> > >* I'm not a patent lawyer or agent; just an interested layperson. But in the >last couple of days, both the NY Times and the Boston Globe have carried >stories about how some patents (and I'm not sure why some and not others) >have been extended to 20 years, because of GATT efforts to make patents more >uniform throughout the world. In particular, regarding patents on drugs, >which up until now in the US have expired 17 years after issuance, > "Effective June 8, the patents will extend to 20 years from the date the >manufacturers filed for a patent." -- Boston Globe, 26 May '95, p. 10, >attributed to the Associated Press. > >Doug Holmes > _____________________________________________________________ Kiyoshi Kuromiya, Project Director Critical Path Project Email: kiyoshi@critpath.org Hotline: (215) 545-2212 (24-hr) Fax: (215) 735-2762 Internet: (215) 463-7160 Web Home Page: (under construction) Beeper: (800) 973-8084 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 15:47:22 -0300 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: Bucky Centennial Event in Cambridge Seth-- I will be at the GENI event in San Diego and will have a laptop for demo purposes there (Toshiba 2150CDT with CD-ROM, 10 1/2 inch active matrix screen, 8 mb RAM, 500 mb hard-disk and 28.8 kbps PCMCIA modem). At Critical Path, we will be upgrading to a T1 Internet connection this summer, but it will not be ready by July. --Kiyoshi >Hi Folks, > >I'd like set up an Internet video conference between the Centennial event >in San Diego and the one I'm trying to put together here in Cambridge. We >can use the CUSeeMe program to make this happen on a T1 or 56K Internet >connection. > > >I'm also trying to get Harvard or M.I.T. to donate some space and resources >for this. > >If anyone has suggestions for contacts or would like to help, please >contact me. > >Thanks, > >- Seth > _____________________________________________________________ Kiyoshi Kuromiya, Project Director Critical Path Project Email: kiyoshi@critpath.org Hotline: (215) 545-2212 (24-hr) Fax: (215) 735-2762 Internet: (215) 463-7160 Web Home Page: (under construction) Beeper: (800) 973-8084 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 14:36:01 -0400 Reply-To: AMKALENAK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AMKALENAK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: LISTS VS NEWSGROUPS Thanks for the info. One problem though. aol & compuserve both seem to require that the subject area of their email gui be filled in . do you know a way around this. or do i just need a real (full) internet connection. tony ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 14:55:05 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY'S VTOL CAR A VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING (VTOL) PERSONAL TRANSPORT VEHICLE Adapted by Joe S. Moore July 22, 1985 Updated May 29, 1995 Model Name 440E COMMUTER Passengers 4 Cruise Speed 190 miles/hour @ 45% power Top Speed 245 miles/hour Rate of Climb 4,700 feet/minute @ 65% power Maximum Range 410 miles, 20 minute reserve Maximum Payload 950 pounds Design Payload 825 pounds Hover Ceiling 11,500 feet Operational Ceiling 19,000 feet Fuel Capacity 60 gallons Empty Weight 1,040 pounds Gross Weight 2,225 pounds Powerplant Rotary (8x100HP) Dimensions 12.7 feet Long, 16.4 feet Wide, 4.6 feet High Cost "Luxury Automobile" For further information: Dr.Paul S.Moller, M.Eng, Ph.D., Pres Moller International 1222 Research Park Drive Davis, CA 95616 USA TEL: 916-756-5086 FAX: 916-756-5179 "Skycar", 'Popular Mechanics' magazine, Jan.1991, pages 35-7. "Prof.Moller's Flight of Fancy: A Commuter's Dream", San Jose Mercury News, Jan.6, 1991, page 11-D. PS: I actually kicked the tires of a 2-seater version (M400) at a 'World of Motorsports' show held at the Santa Clara Convention Center in Santa Clara, CA, Jan.10-13, 1991. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 21:09:04 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: POSTS GRAPH 23 POSTS (1000s) BY MONTH TO THE GEODESIC LIST X 22 X 21 X 20 X 19 X 18 X 17 XX 16 XX 15 XX 14 X XXX 13 X XXX 12 X XXX 11 X XXX 10 X XXX 9 X XXX 8 XX XXX 7 XX XXXX 6 XXXX XXXXX 5 XXXXXXXXXX 4 X XXXXXXXXXX 3 X X XXXXXXXXXXX 2 XX X XXXXXXXXXXXXXX 1 X XX X X XX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 0 ???????????????????????????????????????XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX?? 345678901212345678901212345678901212345678901212345678901212345678901212345 <---1989---><---1990---><---1991---><---1992---><---1993---><---1994---><-95 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 15:05:26 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dan Inch suscribe geodesic ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 07:52:11 -0700 Reply-To: ud501@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Denis F. Blue" Subject: direct democracy This is 65 characters: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone. A recent writer quoted a bit of No More Second Hand God by Bucky Fuller re: direct (electronically-facilitated) democracy. In his later years Fuller emphasized that one of the major merits of direct democracy is its ability to make mistakes. Oh yes, and then: correct them promptly. Every form of government is prone to making mistakes . But with six billion and more eyes watching from the crow's-nest, when the ship of state is seen to be heading for the rocks, a direct democracy detects the problem promptly. And with six billion and more minds ready and able to pitch in, a direct democracy is the best method for realizing the necessary course corrections . In a (mis)representative democracy we find that the entrenched elite who make decisions for the rest of us are often the last to find out ( or care) when the results of their decisions aren't working. The challenge to be overcome is the inertia of the political system and its built-in ignorance ( isn't the Emperor's New Clothes such a wonderful parable of why relevant and accurate feedback by a bureaucracy is so difficult?) In a world where we, even as individuals, can contribute (and the Internet-type feedback facilities look like a good vehicle for developing this), I'm confident direct democracy will demonstrate that people will stay aware, learn from mistakes, and be able to take a lot of credit for making the world work for everyone . Denis Blue -- ### ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 08:04:50 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: VIRTUAL INST UPDATE X-cc: Synergetics List THE BUCKY FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE by Joe S. Moore Updated May 30, 1995 (If You Note Any Additions, Deletions or Errors Please E-mail me) A. WORLD WIDE WEB (WWW) SITES Critical Path http://www.critpath.org/? DeJong, Gerald http://www.xs4all/~gdj/ Fearnley's FAQ http://www.netaxs.com/people/cjf/fuller-faq.html GENI http://www.geni.org/ Rywalt, Chris http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/crywalt/inventions/ New Civ Network http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/ Siqueira, Rod http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/ Synergetics http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html Synergetics Inst http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/index.html World Game Inst http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/WGI.html B. NEWSGROUPS Gatewayed from Geodesic List bit.listserv.geodesic C. INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC) Discussion of Fuller's Ideas (weekends) /join #geodesic D. SUBSCRIPTION LISTS (l = lowercase "L", not 1) Geodesic (RBF's Works Discussion) listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Synergetics-l (Synergetics Discussion) majordomo@teleport.com Wholeinfo-l (Summary of Wholesys-l) listserv@netcom.com Wholesys-l (Abundance Economics ) listserv@netcom.com E. AUTOMATED E-MAIL UPDATE SERVICES BuckminsterFullerene Updates (Body: "help") bucky@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu NetNews Filtering Server (Body: "help") netnews@db.stanford.edu F. FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL (FTP) DOWNLOAD & UPLOAD SITES Critical Path Project (DL) cpp.critpath.org/bucky/ Critical Path Project (UL) cpp.critpath.org/incoming/ Kaplowitz, Dave (DL) switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/ Kaplowitz, Dave (UL) switchboard.ftp.com/incoming/ New Civilization Network (DL) ftp.newciv.org/pub/Synergetic_Geometry/ New Civilization Network (UL) ftp.newciv.org/incoming/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/ G. SEARCHES ENGINES (KEYWORDS: "GEODESIC", "BUCKMINSTER", ETC) Archie Gopher Kaplowitz, Dave Switchboard.ftp.com Port 70 Veronica Wide Area Information Service (WAIS) H. SEARCHABLE ELECTRONIC ARCHIVES Geodesic listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu I. ASSOCIATED ORGANIZATIONS Buckminster Fuller Institute (BFI) bfi@aol.com Critical Path Project (CPP) kiyoshi@critpath.org Global Energy Network International (GENI) geni@cerf.net World Game Institute (WGI) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu J. OTHER ELECTRONIC ADDRESSES Multiple User Dimensions (MUDS) -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:51:52 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: Re: Bucky Centennial Event in Cambridge Mr. Kuromiya, Thank you for your feedback. I assume you are the individual who worked with Bucky on Critical Path. It is my pleasure to "meet" you via email. That book was a great influence on me when it came out. I was studying engineering at Tufts University and found Critical Path a great boost. Any suggestions you have for contacts at Harvard or M.I.T. to help host a space a net connection would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. - Seth Seth J. Itzkan BBN Educational Technologies 150 Cambridge Park Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 617-873-3163 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:44:00 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blaine DAmico Subject: Re: HALL OF FAME In-Reply-To: <199505281057.GAA21389@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> Wow, a virtual nomination. I'm virtually thrilled. The virtual crowd goes wild. The entire team glows with virtual excitement. Thanks to Kirby, Richard, Ed, Joe, Chris, Allegra, and the rest of the contributor's. Tom teaches the first half of that workshop. He deserves appreciation for that as well. My CD pressing class is tomorrow. That's when I get my first look at the CD. On Sun, 28 May 1995, Thomas Mundell wrote: > I second the motion on nominating Blaine D'Amico for the hall of Fame. > Beside his work on the CD, Blaine every yearteaches high school science > teachers about Bucky to help improve the science in the high schools in > the Washington, D. C. area. > > On Thu, 25 May 1995, Joe Moore wrote: > > > I hereby nominate Blaine D'Amico for the > > > > R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER VIRTUAL HALL OF FAME > > > > for producing the first Bucky CD in the history of Spaceship Earth. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > > 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 > > CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domai n. > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 01:00:29 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Martin R. Olah" Organization: Earth Observation Data Systems Grp, JPL Subject: Re: RBF RE VOTING >I would also be concerned about the potential 'tyranny of the majority'. > Senator McCarthy had huge public support at one time. Definitely. I'm not sure what the point of a true electronic democracy is. Since it has absolutely nothing to do with freedom or individual rights I don't know what Fuller or anyone else would expect to come of it. Maybe someone can explain how this is better than representation. The problem I see is that you are giving away your own decision making ability to others either way. If I want to build a geodesic dome (for example) why should it go up for a vote? I would expect things to get a lot worse under a system in which people can, on a whim, pass any law they would like. At the very best I wouldn't expect things to get better. But then again, it comes down to what you want such a system to accomplish. What I would propose is to use electronic communications to educate the masses and encourage them to mind their own business. Please, no high-tech, abuser-friendly mob rule. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- O Martin | "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And martino@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov | with strange aeons even death may die. -Lovecraft ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:44:05 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: REVISED STATS GRAPH 25| | POSTS (1000s) BY MONTH TO THE GEODESIC LIST 24| | MM 1989 1992 1995 1998 # 23| 1 ? ? 23473 # | 2 ? ? 07135 # 22| 3 ? ? 12009 # | 4 ? ? 11218 # 21| 5 ? ? 12491 # | 6 ? 00470 # 20| 7 ? 00617 # | 8 ? 00218 # 19| 9 ? 04073 # | 10 ? 01662 # 18| 11 ? 00043 # | 12 ? 01197 # 17| # | 1990 1993 1996 1999 ## 16| 1 ? 00309 ## | 2 ? 00000 ## 15| 3 ? 00318 ## | 4 ? 00560 ## 14| 5 ? 00147 ### | 6 ? 00247 # ### 13| 7 ? 00173 # ### | 8 ? 00192 # ### # 12| 9 ? 00970 # ### # # | 10 ? 02769 # ### # # 11| 11 ? 00419 # ### ### | 12 ? 01383 # ### ### 10| # ### ### | 1991 1994 1997 2000 # ### ### 9| 1 ? 01910 # ### ### | 2 ? 01829 ## ### ### 8| 3 ? 02259 ## ### ### | 4 ? 02770 ## ### ### 7| 5 ? 06220 ## ####### | 6 ? 08351 ## ######## 6| 7 ? 13611 ### ######## | 8 ? 05717 #### ######## 5| 9 ? 04783 ############# | 10 ? 06325 ############# 4| 11 ? 14010 # ############# | 12 ? 16548 # ############# 3| # ############## | # # ############### 2| # # ################# | ## # ################## 1| ## # ## ################## | ## ## ## ## ##################### 0|?????????????????????????????#################################### |------------------------------------------------------------------------ 123456789012123456789012123456789012123456789012123456789012123456789012 <---1990---><---1991---><---1992---><---1993---><---1994---><---1995---> -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 13:28:00 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Timothy H. Lee" The correct address to which you must send your "subscribe request" is: Listserv@Ubvm.Bitnet or Listserv@Ubvm.cc.Buffalo.edu but not Geodesic@Ubvm.cc.Buffalo.edu If your message is properly received, Listserv will send you a message with instructions on how to "confirm" your subscription. If you should have any simple technical questions, you may contact me at the above address. Always learning, Tim ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 21:45:06 -0400 Reply-To: Gordon L Smith Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gordon L Smith Subject: Re: BUCKY PD VIDEOTAPE DEAR JOEMORE, IS THIS THE VIDEOTAPE YOU PUT TOGETHER? [GENI] BESTWISHES GOSMITH ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 22:56:53 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: BUCKY PD VIDEOTAPE X-To: gosmith@cello.gina.calstate.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Gordon L Smith" at May 30, 95 9:45 pm Gordon L Smith writes: > > DEAR JOEMORE, IS THIS THE VIDEOTAPE YOU PUT TOGETHER? [GENI] BESTWISHES GOSMIT H > .- > Yes. It's called "Selected Ideas of R.Buckminster Fuller". It's 55 minutes long, in color, VHS format, and it's available through GENI (geni@cerf.net) for $15.00. It's basically a slide show (200+ pics) with fancy transitions, 10 second monolog for each pic, 3 animations (beginning, middle and end), and is meant as a general introduction to Bucky in ordinary layman's language (no "Buckyspeak"). -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 22:58:50 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY VIDEO TAPES BUCKY VIDEO TAPES by Joe S. Moore May 30, 1995 (Please notify me of any additions, deletions and/or corrections. Thanks.) N__A__M__E__S O__F T__A__P__E__S COST LENGTH SOURCE "American Ingenuity Domes Video" $ 8.00 ? min AI "A Win-Win Solution" $20.00 15 min GENI "Dymaxion Lab: Experiment in Individual Initiative $60.00 ? min BFI "Dymaxion Lab: What the Individual Can Do" $65.00 55 min BFI "Ecological Design: Inventing the Future" $75.00 ? min BFI "Explore thr Great Indoors" $10.00 10 min TIM "Growing Spaces Dome Greenhouse" $13.00 ? min NS "Hexadome Video" free ? min HEXA "Modeling the Universe" $15.00 15 min BFI "Monolithic Domes Video" $20.00 ? min MONO "All About Domes" $ ? ? min NS "Selected Ideas of R.Buckminster Fuller" $15.00 55 min GENI "Tour of Domes" $20.00 45 min NS "What If...A New Global Option" $20.00 15 min GENI "World Game" $ ? 10 min WG "World of Buckminster Fuller" $40.00 85 min BFI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CODE N_A_M_E O_F O_R_G_A_N_I_Z_A_T_I_O_N E--M__A__I__L P__H__O__N__E AI = American Ingenuity, Inc. @ 407-639-8777 BFI = Buckminster Fuller Institute BFI@AOL.COM 805-962-0022 GENI = Global Energy Network International GENI@CERF.NET 619-595-0139 HEXA = Hexadome of America, Inc, Box 2351, La Mesa, CA 91943 ? - ? - ? MONO = Monolithic Constructors, Inc. @ 800-608-0001 NS = Natural Spaces Domes @ 800-733-7107 TIM = Timberline Geodesics @ 800-DOME-HOME WG = World Game Institute XTM00002@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU 215-387-0220 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 07:09:45 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Walker Subject: Assistance Request Please sign me off the list. I've tried several times but it has been ineffective. Thanks/Chris ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:16:14 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: 6octa_1octa (fwd) tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Wed May 31 07:44:03 1995 > From: tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl > X-Nupop-Charset: English > Date: Wed, 31 May 95 16:45:26 CST > Message-Id: <60329.tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl> > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: Synergetics: 6octa_1octa > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > > > >I feel like these synergetic structures are like art. I sort of yearn to > >get out in the back shed and start a new one or finish the last one, but > > >swami dharmraj > > that is right they are art forms, i just gave a form made of few tetra > hedrons to a woman which work in social care( buricratic office) > instead of taking the form home she put it on the desk. many clients > who came there liked the form. > - the woman asked me if i can visit the school her > child go to and make these forms for them. > i was thinking the same idea, syn forms might be litrary a connection > of art and science. > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:13:31 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: 6octa_1octa (fwd) John Mac Cosham writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Wed May 31 05:45:36 1995 > Message-Id: <9505311254.AA29828@highway1.com.au> > X-Sender: dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au (Unverified) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 20:52:04 +0000 > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > From: John Mac Cosham > Subject: Re: Synergetics: 6octa_1octa > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > That is a very nice way to look at an ocatahedron. I have been thinking > about the octahedron because I have close to a two frequency vector > equilibrium structure in my living room which I periodically stare at. I > like the relationship of the dodecahedron to the octahedron. That was why > I was thinking of the octahedron. I was building a dodecahedron around the > octahedron that surrounds the zero frequency VE inside the 2 frequency VE. > > The movie of the 6 octas seems to highlight the internal VE. > > I am interested in the concentric polyhedra. It is fascinating how they > interpenetrate if one were looking at a many layered IVM. > > I feel like these synergetic structures are like art. I sort of yearn to > get out in the back shed and start a new one or finish the last one, but > that has not happenned for awhile now. Learning to use this computer took > up a lot of spare time this year and I am enjoying using it displaying the > graphics and for the email, too. > > your friend, > > swami dharmraj > aka John Mac Cosham > dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au > > "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller > > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.