From MAILER-DAEMON@netaxs.com Thu Nov 16 13:11:20 1995 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu [128.205.2.1]) by access.netaxs.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA21000 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:11:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199511161811.NAA21000@access.netaxs.com> Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5829; Thu, 16 Nov 95 13:09:52 EST Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3118; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:04:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:04:10 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at UBVM (1.8b)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9508" To: "Christopher J. Fearnley" Status: RO ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:08:53 -0400 Reply-To: AMKALENAK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AMKALENAK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: M.Python My short list : 1) Basic Intrinsically stabile solids (tetrahedron, octahedron, icosahedron) 2) the geodesic (shortest distance between 2 points) 3) the geodesic dome (including its derivation from the afore mentioned solids) 4) Synergy (Behavior of whole systems unpredicted by its parts taken separately) 5) General systems theory (prediction of parts based on the behavior of the whole) 6) fundemental complementarity (symmetry - unity is plural and at minumum 2) 7) the value of individual initiative 8) ephemerization (doing more and more with progressively less and less) 9) working with evolution and the cosmic trends 10) life as the antientopic compliment of entropic physical universe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:10:54 -0400 Reply-To: JustWINK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: JustWINK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: THE EVOLUTION OF PROGRESS The Evolution of Progress- by C. Owen Paepke "The end of material progress and the beginning of human transformation" (or something like that) Have any of you read this book? I recently discussed it with some people at a Fuller event, saying that it was very Fuller-esque (without a single reference to RBF). Upon thinking about it more, I feel that many of the anecdotal examples the author used were very Fuller-esque, though the overall message was not one that Bucky conveyed. Basically, C.P. attempted to demonstrate that the often- painted picture of unending, ever-accellerating techno- progress is not the case- That, in many ways (not all ways) physical progress is winding down. I won't attempt to paraphrase the author any more than that, but would enjoy hearing from others who might have read it. Wink wink@southwind.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 07:32:45 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah spy222@aol.com (Spy 222) wrote: >Since none of Bucky's disasters have ocurred, I am forced to assume that >they were not such a great possibility, ergo, in large part, media >hype--advertising. >I like the world just the way it is. To quote Bucky, "I wouldn't change >anything." >Ted Campbell >New York City >spy222@alo.com Of course life continues to be tragic and disasterous for so many many humans aboard Spaceship Earth. I, for one, do not like the world just the way it is and am glad that it's changing very quickly, and I hope in positive directions, more than negative. To quote Bucky (who was quoting in turn): "accentuate the positive." Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:26:47 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Bucky's flair for publicity I have seen number, which I don't have at hand, >about how many geodesic domes have been construct. The number is >significant. 1/2 million >Bucky probably had more to do with spreading the concept of synergy than >any other thinker. Now the concept is everywhere. the concept of the behaviour of group is fantastic, befor fuller we have the isolated facts. > >> Worrying about "utopia or oblivion" an advertising come on. It's only a >> shame that the Buckminster Fuller Institute and the World Game haven't >> succeeded in making money at it. If I were running either of those >> organizations it would be. at least spy 222 has humor ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:17:24 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah >> I like the world just the way it is. To quote Bucky, "I wouldn't change >> anything." spy222 must have a good income, and a nice wife. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 07:41:25 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Web Site News (Kirby's) WEB NOTES My web pages on the recent GENI conference now have some pictures. I'll continue upgrading these pages over the next few weeks. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/geni1.html (geni2.html, geni3.html) The detailed mathematics of the Dymaxion Map is starting to make its appearance on the web, thanks to Robert Gray. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/grayhp.html Kirby Janitor (night shift) Synergetics on the Web ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:54:53 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: Bucky's Patent Fixation? Walt wrote: >But to my mind, Fuller's activity and evident ambition during >his 'industrialist' period if you want to call it that just doesn't >square with his extended criticsm of financial capitalism and his >statements like "you can't make money and make sense." Whasamatter Walt, you never did something in your early years that you later found out, after further study, was a bad idea? Not even disco? I agree with Bucky. Making money (as a goal) rarely makes sense. I think that I can rephrase Bucky's statement: "Do what you love, and the money you need will appear as a result". Better? >Perhaps not everyone here knows that Fuller took great care with >his patents from the beginning to make sure they were iron-clad. Most engineers do. If you think Bucky was a bit overbearing, you should read my standard nondisclosure agreement! Can you spell "First Born Child"? >According to the Martin Pawley biography his royalty from those >patents, especially the geodesic dome patents, had reached five or >six figures yearly around the late 60's. Good for Bucky! >RBF did NOT bestow his patents on mankind as some might think. . . He sure did! ALL patents are bestowed upon mankind. After one's patent expires, mankind is free to use your invention without payment of a single penny in royalties. That's why I use "trade secret" status, to avoid this problem (my heirs might need some cash too). >pointing out that he was careful with his patent rights, and he >collected on them. Patents are actually not worth the paper they are printed upon, so don't get your dander up over seeming greedy capitalistic actions by your demi-god. If I patent a widget, I am forced (within the patent) to disclose just about everything someone else needs to make the widget. If some knock-off artist (there are lots) decides to make and sell the widget without paying me, I get the privilege of suing his company and/or him. This forces me to first defend my patent against his usual claim that my patent is invalid, and often, the courts agree with the infringer on this point. If I can prove that my patent is valid, I can, after years of paying a team of very expensive patent lawyers, expect that he will have gone Chapter 11 or Chapter 7 liquidation, leaving me with nothing to collect in damages. Meanwhile, he may have been selling the psuedo-widget for years, and could have undercut my price, done a better job of marketing, etc. etc. So, let's summarize, shall we? 1) Patents cost money to get, sometimes big money. 2) Patents force you to tell the world all about your idea, often in more detail than you would like. 3) If someone rips off your patented design, you must spend MORE money to sue him. 4) If you sue, you may loose any ownership claim you might have had on your design, forcing you to litigate against the ruling of the judge. (More money...) 5) If you win your suit, you are given the ability to TRY to collect from the ripper-offer. These sorta folks have more moves than a midwestern savings and loan executive. Now... what was your complaint? Looks to me like Bucky was using the same legal team we used at Bell Labs... heck, we even patented an EQUATION in the 80s!! As an aside, one the the nicest Bucky books I have is the book "Inventions". This is simply some skimpy text tossed in with decent quality reproductions of some of Bucky's more "popular" patents. Being an all around Renaissance Hack, this book alone would allow me to infringe upon Bucky's patents any time I choose. Strictly speaking, whenever I build a model to show someone some obscure point, I AM INFRINGING!! (Jamie, if you are reading this, I guess I owe you and your mom at least a beer, huh?). The earth is populated by Scientists, who practice the art of infallibility, and Non-Scientists, who are taken in by it. James Fischer jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:54:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: Help Wanted Frank Willis Davis pounded out on his keyboard: >What is all this talk about messiahs, industry, Barbie Dolls? Pardon me and >questions to ask as soon as I see that there are some people serious >about this. If I am in the wrong group and ended up in a philosophy class by >mistake, let me know. Only the group leader has said anything to me about >domes. Gosh, sorry to have offended. Let me offer an apology on behalf on the entire group. Do we have rules now? If so, what are they? Are we only allowed to talk about domes? This sounds just a tad DOMESticated to me... The earth is populated by Scientists, who practice the art of infallibility, and Non-Scientists, who are taken in by it. James Fischer jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:35:22 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Patrick Alessandra Jr." Subject: Re: Help Wanted >What is all this talk about messiahs, industry, Barbie Dolls? Pardon me and >questions to ask as soon as I see that there are some people serious >about this. If I am in the wrong group and ended up in a philosophy class by >mistake, let me know. Only the group leader has said anything to me about >domes. I was told that the synergetics-l e-list was about the mathematical/architectural etc. work and geodesic-l e-list was about Bucky's more general philosophy (like societal evolution, etc.) -- although it's all about his ideas in one form or another. Peace, Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:48:10 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Lockley Subject: Re: Bucky's Patents James, if you'd be willing to put your squirt gun on the table for a moment, up where I can see it, I'd like to respond. My two original criticisms of Fuller (my suspicion that his retroactive statement of purpose but the best face on a string of commercial failures, and Fuller's refusal to submit to any sort of close questioning from traditional scientists) were made to support my point that Fuller is not messiah material. Intelligent, productive, wonderful, yes. Messiah, demi-god, no. Unwillingness to harbor any criticsm of his work amounts to hero worship, which is just silly. It's just silly to try to deify someone who, one, discouraged all such hero-worship vigorously, and two, was so thoroughly dedicated to applying rational principles. That was my point. If you care to come to the defense of those who consult Nine Chains to the Moon like the I Ching in search of some mystical guidance at sunrise, be my guest. Yeah, I own a copy of Inventions too. It's interesting to try to match some of the descriptions to the illustrations, isn't it? Finally, you wrote: > Patents are actually not worth the paper they are printed upon, so don't get your dander up over seeming greedy capitalistic actions by your demi-god. Where did THIS come from? James, let me give you a warm smile and assure you that if my dander leaves the ground, it'll be apparent. Walt klockley@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:18:08 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Dr. Rick Kirschner" Subject: Top Ten Fuller Ideas List For me, the top ten are ( in no particular order...sorry, too much to do today, and I trust you'll have a different order than I would anyway!) That there is a greater intelligence in universe than our own Math as the language of God Math, as currently taught, is based on key fallacies that intuitively make it difficult for children to learn it That we are all unique inventories of human experience That service to all humanity is a basic principle by which life works best Paul In response to your request: That what differentiates humanity from other living creatures is the ability to discern principles and use them as leverage to make a difference More with Less Accelerating Acceleration Mistake Mystique Spontaneous Cooperation The power of individual initiative The TRIMTAB OOPS! It's now a top twelve list!!! Rick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:34:36 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Davis Subject: Re: Help Wanted In-Reply-To: <950801113520_127807898@aol.com> from "Patrick Alessandra Jr." at Aug 1, 95 11:35:22 am Thanks for being so polite in your reply, actually all who replied to me were. I just happen to like domes, find them economical and aesthetically alright. I was never concerned with whether Bucky was a messiah, had a I will develop (or change at my whim) my own philosophy. Talk as you will...just please once in awhile make it about Domes, so I can remain DOMEsticated. Tah. -- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $ WILLIS doing the best I can $ $ for the good of all $ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$ * * * $ $ * *** * $ $ *********** $ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ Life can be great!! fdavis@holli.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:39:01 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Davis Subject: Re: Help Wanted In-Reply-To: <199508011359.JAA00788@crucible.inmind.com> from "jfischer" at Aug 1, 95 09:54:58 am jfischer wrote: > > Frank Willis Davis pounded out on his keyboard: > > >What is all this talk about messiahs, industry, Barbie Dolls? Pardon me and > >questions to ask as soon as I see that there are some people serious > >about this. If I am in the wrong group and ended up in a philosophy class by > >mistake, let me know. Only the group leader has said anything to me about > >domes. > > Gosh, sorry to have offended. > Let me offer an apology on behalf on the entire group. > Do we have rules now? > If so, what are they? > Are we only allowed to talk about domes? > This sounds just a tad DOMESticated to me... I gather that I was under the(I now see) mistaken idea that there was at least a general rule that a group talked about what the group subject was. Allow me to make an even bigger apology. Tah > > > > The earth is populated by Scientists, who practice the art > of infallibility, and Non-Scientists, who are taken in by it. > > James Fischer jfischer@inmind.com > -- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $ WILLIS doing the best I can $ $ for the good of all $ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$ * * * $ $ * *** * $ $ *********** $ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ Life can be great!! fdavis@holli.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:01:35 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah Bucky, when asked how he would change the world, responded, "I wouldn't change a thing." Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com Internet Deprogrammer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:01:40 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah I have neither a good income nor a wife, I was just quoting Buckminster Fuller. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com Internet Deprogrammer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:02:34 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Help Wanted I'm not really a deprogrammer, I'm a library researcher. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:03:20 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Help Wanted Now that we know that trick, it won't work. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:05:04 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Help Wanted Besides I think we learned it from Socrates, not Monty Python. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:30:29 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Bucky's Patents >point. If you care to come to the defense of those who consult >Nine Chains to the Moon like the I Ching in search of some mystical >guidance at sunrise, be my guest. > ( sunapearance) sunrise is compression thinking, + sun eclipse is tensional thinking trying to find quick correctin to inncorrect reflex, i wonder if it is possible. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:23:34 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: M.Python Pardon my further irony, but I think the most important thing that Fuller did was drop-out of Harvard and divest himself from the whole education system. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:48:35 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Buckist Blasphemy! (fwd) all the great heads in history were wierdos, would you like it any different. Americans are the most wiered group of people in the the world. you should be proud. but just for the heat of it, are you subscribed to other N.G or this the only group you find intresting. i think the book system theoery is not much of a book, it is just some one adding 1+1 = 2 general view of where are some of the links between desciplines. i am surprised that you find it intresting. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:56:43 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "David F. Watkins" Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah In-Reply-To: <3vn0rf$4n7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Ted, Could you give us the context for this Bucky quote? Apparently this is one of the things that Bucky said that he didn't heed. And besides, you are skeptical of Bucky's statements, right Ted? I certainly never thought of Bucky as a messiah or even a saint for that matter. Typically we think of messiahs as having given knowledge. Bucky always made it clear that he had to think to arrive at his knowledge and usually went to great lengths to describe that process, including the mistakes he made along the way. Dave Watkins On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Spy 222 wrote: > Bucky, when asked how he would change the world, responded, "I wouldn't > change a thing." > Ted Campbell > New York City > > spy222@aol.com > > Internet Deprogrammer > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:48:40 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: confession > >hello Ted, > >Personally i have a very bad life and i think part of the reason was >due to the enviroment poverty and ignorance. i did not live even 2% >happy. i had a father who run after the money, he made it but still >i lived as if there ws no money. pardon me i never had feeling >of lack of money. but the surrounding was really miserble. >there was a lot of who prayed mornning and night and they did not know > why exctlly( ignorance) >i read krishnmurti, one of the most intelegent person that i ever >red. in 1979 i read fuller, you have to remmber that i had all >the odds against me in learning anything becuse i live in anguish. >i thought i could die any minute due to any mistake in the country >i come from. i decided then that i will learn everything that >i possible can befor i die. thought i still have problem learning. >so i was going grazy, i was pushing the information inside a full >headed thank. i think i increased the size of the brain and developed >permenent >sort of headech. i find it quite intresting to know different area >i feel more informed. i wish that i do it nicelly and get this headech >or tension out. may be i am totally ronglly wired. >so the point i see this way of education as a salvation to me. >i like what fuller says but more important for me is to know for >myself. i admite that i have certain perspective which tied >to a lot of ideas (global) and in state of suspense for future >resloution.(i am religouslly inclined becuse of earlly >imprssions) but extremlly intrested in intelegence. >my be i am doing what i am doing from terror, and isolation. >since i have no home and i do not like my old one. home meaning >country. >i heard some where that you must be frank about what you are doing. >so do not take this as pleading. i like the truth, i mean the >intelectual truth. i would like to add, i am not pleased by what i see in the world. where you have to pay respect to the stupid police. you have to be obiedent act like slave and do not protest kind of electronic Rome. people act as they deserve what they have if they have it good. it is quite easy to lose your way in the world. it all depends on how weak you are. with other thousand reasons one finds hope in possibilities and also the alurment of possibility of being creative creative again. Bissoa writes give me my days of childhood and take all your gods and profits, give me that comfort of childhood back. i also find it enjoyable to dig in different area of scholarship. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:32:49 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: 8 years of brain ...! Dear Ted, i would like to know what happen in those 8 years where you were Bukcy desciple.I personally just took what he said for granted. and find his views quite satisfying for answering questions specialized desciplines and great thinkers where never answered. i think that everyone is looking for answers to existance, where did you find your rest i hope not in the bible. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:09:04 -0400 Reply-To: Shrsharkey Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Shrsharkey Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Barbie Fuller's Dymaxion Dreamhouse X-To: Walt Lockley You wrote: < According to the Martin Pawley biography his royalty from those patents, especially the geodesic dome patents, had reached five or six figures yearly around the late 60's. Just because something is in print, that doesn't mean it is true (Pawley's book is loaded with errors). >From the late 60's until his death, all Bucky's income and expenses went through my hands and I can assure you that during that time Bucky didn't make a dime on his patents. (My predecessors assure me that was also the case before my time). Yes, Bucky was careful with his patent rights, but he DID NOT collect on them. (Wish he had - we could have put that money to good use!) Have enjoyed your debate about the shore of Lake Michigan, Elvis of Engineering, etc. and agree that Fuller's work should be the subject of constructive criticism on a scientific basis. Don't have time to really participate in your discussions but will feel free to interject corrections when I have personal knowledge of the facts. Shirley Sharkey ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:14:59 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: UPLOAD PROBLEMS Hi Everyone, Well, I'm still having technical problems. Everything works except I can't upload anything! AARRRGGGHHH!! Haven't forgot your e-mail to me, just been preoccupied. Say a prayer to the modem gods for me. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 16:46:04 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Lockley Subject: Bucky's income on patents Shirley, you wrote: >From the late 60's until his death, all Bucky's income and expenses went through my hands and I can assure you that during that time Bucky didn't make a dime on his patents. (My predecessors assure me that was also the case before my time). Yes, Bucky was careful with his patent rights, but he DID NOT collect on them. (Wish he had - we could have put that money to good use!) >Have enjoyed your debate about the shore of Lake Michigan, Elvis of Engineering, etc. and agree that Fuller's work should be the subject of constructive criticism on a scientific basis. Don't have time to really participate in your discussions but will feel free to interject corrections when I have personal knowledge of the facts. Shirley, thanks very much for the correction. Learning more about Bucky's finances would certainly be intriuging, but you don't have the time, and it's probably none of my business anyway! :-) Thanks again. Walt klockley@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:23:05 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Patrick Alessandra Jr." Subject: Re: confession >with other thousand reasons one finds hope >in possibilities and also the alurment of possibility of being creative >creative again. Bissoa writes give me my days of childhood >and take all your gods and profits, give me that comfort of childhood >back. As a buddhist/theosophist/synergist/hindu I feel comfortable saying the following: "None shall enter the kingdom lest they do so as a little child." "The truth shall set you free," "...and the greatest of these is Love." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:23:24 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah spy222@aol.com (Spy 222) wrote: >Bucky, when asked how he would change the world, responded, "I wouldn't >change a thing." >Ted Campbell >New York City I'm not familiar with this quote. He often said his mission was to change the environment, not people. Operative word is still change. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 19:18:39 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blaine DAmico Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah In-Reply-To: <3vofrp$k2v@maureen.teleport.com> Wasn't it "Reform the environment not the man". Somehow the connotation of reform seems more directed than just change and I believe that reform was the word Bucky in fact used. On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Kirby Urner wrote: > spy222@aol.com (Spy 222) wrote: > > >Bucky, when asked how he would change the world, responded, "I wouldn't > >change a thing." > >Ted Campbell > >New York City > > I'm not familiar with this quote. He often said his mission was to > change the environment, not people. Operative word is still change. > > Kirby > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 19:21:27 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blaine DAmico Subject: Re: M.Python Comments: To: Spy 222 In-Reply-To: <3vn24m$559@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I recall Fuller saying something similar in education automation. On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Spy 222 wrote: > Pardon my further irony, but I think the most important thing that Fuller > did was drop-out of Harvard and divest himself from the whole education > system. > > Ted Campbell > New York City > > spy222@aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:07:51 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: On Patents ON PATENTS Of course Fuller's own explanation for his obsession with patents was that he was trying to build the case for "what the individual could do" -- not that he was the only such individual, quite the contrary: ALL vital advances have their basis in the integrity of the individual mind (and of course individuals integrate info from other individuals). But the trend is to subsume individuals under vast corporate pseudo- humans (creatures in legal scifi), such that all the intellectual advances are owned by Fujitsu, Xerox and Kodak. We never hear about the individual (faceless) humans who are contributing their genius, because the ahuman legal entities get all the credit (and most of the profits). Fuller was bucking this trend, trying to restore our faith in the "little me" that we are being trained to think of as powerless and semi-irrelevant. BTW, I think Shirley Sharkey, RBF's personal assistant for many years, contributed a valuable historical tidbit with her assertion that Bucky was not collecting big bucks on his patents. He did claim a six figure income in Grunch of Giants as I recall. And he talked about how it takes such a CEO-level income to enjoy the freedoms and benefits that, by design, all of us might enjoy. He also asked us whether we can give up being resentful towards others when they seem to be enjoying themselves. Like, is it OK with you if I enjoy a high living standard? Someday, I'd like to do a paper comparing Nietzsche's discussion of "resentment" and how overcoming this would lead to a new human prototype (of which the Arayan NAZIs were NOT an instance -- misreadings of Nietzsche abound). I think if I did a scholarly paper on "Fuller as Nietzsche's Overman" I'd stir up a LOT more fuss and flak than Campbell's recent provocations have done. But I don't have the time to indulge in such projects right now. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:08:51 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: On "Catastrophes that didn't happen" ON "CATASTROPHES THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN" In Grunch of Giants, Fuller suggested a critical either/or point was but months ahead (utopia or oblivion). I think he himself sincerely felt it was "touch and go" as he so often said (that can also be read as a sports metaphor: a relay race). We don't see utopia, we don't see oblivion, so maybe we conclude Fuller was living in a fantasy world. So argues Ted, adding that Fuller wanted to suck us into this fantasy to feed his egomania. On the other hand, Fuller was indeed a major player on the world stage. Critical Path contains information that Fuller presents as a major declassification of military secrets: the submarine aircraft carriers that "even Congress didn't know about" (close paraphrase) -- and he hopes in the intro that he hasn't betrayed anyone's trust for what he's going to tell the world. While in DC, I worked hard to follow-up on that factual assertion (i.e. that these inventory items actually exist), kind of as a reality check on Critical Path (which contains lots of wild speculation; at least this was a simple fact, either true or false). I got a magazine article from the CDI archives saying USA military planners lusted for such craft, but making no mention of any existing Soviet models (lost the citation for now). Admiral Gorshkov of the USSR made some vague references to his subs being special somehow in his book on the Soviet fleet. We certainly never got any simple confirmation or denial via any of the Critical Path book reviews. Anyway, if such vessels did exist, they'd be major tourist attractions (we have an old diesel here in Portland that gets a lot of museum goers). So I wrote to then Mayor Koch about getting an exhibit birth ready somewhere in the Port Authority area. I was a busy bee back then, churning out letters to lots of people in the Reagan administration and media organizations about all sorts of stuff. I don't think its insignificant history that a man who writes "the USA we have known is bankrupt and extinct" should also receive the Medal of Freedom from a USA president. I bugged the Washington Post about not connecting these facts for the reading public. Like, c'mon folks, lets get a handle on this! Now that we have the web, I can (and do) make my own history pages accessible to a global audience without waiting for the newspapers (e.g. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/grunch.html). And if I were nervous in the Soviet Union about whether the USA was a sensible entity or a half-crazed cowboy (you recall the Reagan years? -- talk about a wild ride!), I might take some comfort in the fact that Fuller was (a) getting big audiences right up to the end and (b) getting Medal of Freedom status from USA/Reagan. Hey, that's a good sign! My point here (which was already made earlier by another poster) is what any serious historian already knows: the closer you get to the present, the harder it is to tell the story, because too many facts remain obscured. Takes time for the records to become available. That's just a fact of life. So when it comes to judging Fuller's impact, and whether we passed or failed some critical "final exam," I think at this point we just have to admit that its too early to have a coherent debate. For now, we can have our opinions, our prejudices. Indeed Fuller's place in history will continue to be re-evaluated as the centuries pass (this is just the way it is with history; each age tells it differently). The idea that you and I, in 1995, are obligated to come up with some "final verdict" is, to my way of thinking, rather ridiculous. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:09:26 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: On "Being Topical" ON "BEING TOPICAL" The question has been raised as to what is appropriate content for this group. To the general public, 'geodesic' means 'dome' so the logical perception is that we're hear to discuss domes. To cartographers and some others, 'geodesic' has more to do with 'geodetic' and satellite surveying; we've gotten a few inquiries along those lines by wayward posters. To Fuller, "geodesic" has a more sweeping meaning, akin to "principle of least action" or "most economical distance between points A and B, all things considered" so we could expand along these lines to explore "how to get there from here in the shortest, most efficient way?" -- but that's stretching it, since most people don't read such meanings into "geodesic" and newsgroups have some obligation to fit into cultural expectations. My advice, then, is that we remain courteous to those who question whether our raging debates on non-dome issues are off-topic. I am not a subscriber to this group myself, having resigned in protest long ago over the fact that we seem to have no active list owner. But I've continued to drop in through the newsgroup interface. People frustrated with "off-topic" tendencies (e.g they want info about domes) should be informed that the bitnet.listserv.geodesic interface exists, and they can simply skip over subjects that appear uninteresting to them. Usually, when one subscribes to a list, an orientation sheet is emailed to the new subscriber. If we had an active list owner, e could forewarn about the various interpretations about what is topical, and explain the newsgroup option. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:10:26 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: On Computerizing BFI Archives ON COMPUTERIZING BFI ARCHIVES At the recent GENI conference, someone (I forget his name) involved with a project called Knowlege Tree announced to the group that his dream was to make the contents of the BFI archives available over the internet. How could this be done (new thread proposed?). I think the basic concept here is one of online web forms hooked to cgi-scripts which pass parameters to a database server. In non-UNIX world, we have now have Visual FoxPro, which has robust client/server capabilities on the one hand, and the ability to act as a DDE server on the other. Already, we have web sites showing how FoxPro can serve up web pages or references thereto in response to user-typed keywords. According to this scenario, a scholar could access BFI and type "Frank Lloyd Wright" and get back a list of HTML pages, FTP resources etc. culled from the archives. That's one vision. We could collect various proposals via this list in case BFI wants to explore them later. Of course that's stretching the concept of "geodesic" again (see my post ON "BEING TOPICAL"). Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:45:48 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah Well, I don't have a Buckminster Fuller reference library on hand, but I believe that Bucky was meaning to say that since "God does not make mistakes" he would not suppose to second guess God, ergo he would "not change a thing." Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:45:50 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah If I have time I'll try to find a source, unless someone else has it on hand. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:52:48 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: 8 years of brain ...! Synergetics is, really, a specialization. Everything isn't in the Bible, but when you look at documents, thoughts set on paper, writings (representations of thought), you should see that the Bible has shaped the world more than any other document, which makes it the most important one if you're trying to understand the motions of the culture. Whether one believes in the the Bible or not, if you want to understand this world, what moves great civilizations, you must know it. During the eight years that I studied Buckminster Fuller I studied alot of philosophy--Whitehead, Northorp, Bertalanffy, Einstein's lay writings, Fuller, Fuller, Fuller. I worked for the Buckminster Fuller Institute on and off for a few months. I wrote a paper on teleology <>and one on tetrahelixes <> (unfinished) which took about three years and built models to represent the ideas in the tetrahelix paper. I traveled around the U.S. and Canada propagating Buckminster Fuller's Ideas. Then I took up the study of ancient languages and dropped the whole thing. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:52:01 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: On Patents . I think if I did a scholarly paper >on "Fuller as Nietzsche's Overman" I'd stir up a LOT more fuss and >flak than Campbell's recent provocations have done. But I don't have >the time to indulge in such projects right now. > >Kirby so Kirby, do you really think that Ted have no valid basis for his criticism of Fuller. I like to know if his intention is to creat fuss. or sincer consern about the truth. or may be i should ask him instead. i think the strongest heads in the fight is you and him, let have fun while we are at it. it seems to me that he is using a carful stratagey of criticism being myself not so inclined i would like to know the rules of the game. one i ditected is the principle of being very short and not let your enemy know completly your possition. do not get me rong i respect such a person who really wants to get at finding the truth, it is just he should let us know more. and if it is the case he has some strong arguments i like to know may be i can see that i am going in the rong direction. but if not let us be clear about it. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 05:13:04 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Dr. Rick Kirschner" Subject: Re: "I wouldn't change a thing" On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Spy 222 wrote: > Bucky, when asked how he would change the world, responded, "I wouldn't change a thing." Dave Watkins asked: > Could you give us the context for this Bucky quote? I don't know where old Ted got it from, but I recall reading this in a book called 'Fuller's Earth.' It's a thin little book in which Bucky spends time with 3 teenagers, showing them the fallacies in the basic math they were being taught in school, and then answering their questions about his ideas of what the future might be like. I believe it is the final question asked of him, regarding politics and social order., and the perception of the kids that things weren't working and needed to be fixed, perhaps by politicians and presidents: (paraphrase...I no longer have that book)"If you could change anything, what would you change?" Bucky''s answer had to do with the fact that he saw that there is a greater integrity to universe than our limited perceptions allow, that everything is working out, therefore nothing is wrong, that it would be arrogant of him to try and manipulate the situation politically (I don't recall if he used the word 'arrogant' , I'm just trying to recreate my memory of the mood in his statement) and so he wouldn't change a thing based on the idea of righting something that's wrong. Hope that helps, Rick ******************************** Buckminster Fuller said "If humanity does not opt for integrity, we are through completely. It is absolutely touch and go. Each one of us could make the difference." Dr.Rick Kirschner, ND Co-Owner, Creative Director R&R Productions ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:28:51 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: 8 years of brain ...! In Message Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:52:48 -0400, Spy 222 writes: >Synergetics is, really, a specialization. Everything isn't in the Bible, what do you mean that it is specialization, since by definition it is a general perspective of many parts. >but when you look at documents, thoughts set on paper, writings >(representations of thought), you should see that the Bible has shaped the >world more than any other document, which makes it the most important one >if you're trying to understand the motions of the culture. so i guss you are one of the people who undrstand the bible, sinc not long ago there was a big world wide confrence in Utrecht ( acity which sighned a document for slavery in 19 century),a christian confrence i have never seen any christian who i have seen anything admirable about . all i see is selfintrest in salvation sort of ignorant stupidity as if god have chose them to just open thier mouths. i kind of like that jock ( there is one cristian and he died on the cross) > >Whether one believes in the the Bible or not, if you want to understand >this world, what moves great civilizations, you must know it. > >During the eight years that I studied Buckminster Fuller I studied alot of >philosophy--Whitehead, Northorp, Bertalanffy, Einstein's lay writings, Northorp kind of bnoring is in he, i did not read him just looked at his books. i think in the above besides whitehead philosophy the rest are quite difficult to hold the book. what do you think of whithead ideas. I traveled around the U.S. and Canada propagating Buckminster Fuller's >ideas. Then I took up the study of ancient languages and dropped the i can see that languages can make for intresting different kind of thinking. but what do you think of Fuller geometry. or are you not scientific minded. the 2 culture dilama. what is your perspective now. should we all quite and do somthing else. what do you think. is it more profitable in termes of learning. oh i forgot i meant to talk about Karl Marx, does anybody know how much was his income. in end of 19 century a servent earned one dollar a week working 12 hours a day may be that has somthing to do with why Marx have penetrated the destiny of humanity. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:53:23 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Mac Cosham Subject: Re: On Computerizing BFI Archives Dear Kirby I would like to see synergetics 1 and 2 digitized. At my mac user club I saw the "Biible" digitized so that it could be accessed in many ways. It would make it a lot easier to study if one could look back and forth and bring images up on the screen. swami dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:34:31 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Patrick Alessandra Jr." Subject: Re: On Computerizing BFI Archives Great idea, I've scanned in / digitizedseveral books (other topics) myself using my little scanner and text reading program and for me (using a Mac) it took about 1 minute per page. But once, creating topical compilations is great!. Peace, Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 03:41:24 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bill Cmelak Organization: Omnifest Subject: Inventions Hello everyone, After seeing an old newsreel segment showing Fuller's Dymaxion car I have been interested in him. I also am intrigued by his design of the geodesic dome. I have been following this newsgroup for several weeks in order to glean more information about Buckminster Fuller. However, most of the correspondence here has been centered on his ecological ideas and ideals. While I find that interesting, I am not yet as curious about those aspects of him. I realize that apparently his concepts for our habitation of this planet and world should be first and foremost topics I should study. I also dislike how our world is being trashed with little hope for improvement through rational changes. Pardon me for getting slightly off my intent there. I have sent to the BFI for literature regarding Bucky and most of what they send out seems to pertain to his earth related concepts. What I am interested in is in depth details about the Dymaxion car, the geodesic dome and any of his other progressive inventions. Would someone please tell me the titles of some books which cover the areas that I wish to learn more about. Preferably titles still in print although I plan to go to the library and search for books as well. I would appreciate it. Perhaps if I get to know Fuller better on the level I seek, I may gravitate toward his more lofty endeavors. Sincerely, Bill Cmelak ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:22:26 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Subject: Synergetic Atomic Model I just can't let James Fischer's foolishness go unanswered. His "experiment" is absurd - and whatever happened to the stirring straws? I thought maybe he was setting up some sort of tensegrity sphere with those, but no luck. Speaking of tension-integritry, that's what holds the Synergetic Atomic Model together (continuous gravitational tension between discontinuous compression struts; each strut being a vector that models a specific amount of energy/mass). No, James, it isn't glue. In regard to the problem of particles being in more than one place at one time, the S.A.M. uses fractal fields to allow a particle to project values/variables across space/time without changing the particle. James, or anyone else, can send me a snail mail address to get hard copy graphics and info on the S.A.M., then he and his friends with advanced degrees (apparently in pool antics) can grade me to their hearts content. Sincerely, Steven Lee Combs Syncorswim, Inc. syncswim@world.std.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 12:46:19 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: Synergetic Atomic Model > I just can't let James Fischer's foolishness go unanswered. Smile when you say that, partner. >His "experiment" is absurd But not as absurd as some others I could name. >- and whatever happened to the stirring straws? The straws are (depending on the amount of explosives used) either destroyed in the explosion, or recoverable from the bottom of the pool. The straws could be glued into a simple tetrahedron, or other shape, and as such are a new geodesic shape --- the "TimeBombStar". Tounge firmly planted in cheek, james Half of the people are stoned, and the other half are waiting for the next election. Half of the people are drowned, and the other half are swimming in the wrong direction. james fischer jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:21:04 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FULLY FUNCTIONAL Hi Everyone, It would appear that my system is now fully functional. My new modem has error detection, error correction, and data compression. My new telecommunication software works just fine with my new operating system. Now I just have to catch up with all the messages you have been posting! Please bear with me; it will take a while. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:24:30 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BFVI UPDATE THE BUCKY FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE by Joe S. Moore Updated July 29, 1995 * = New or Changed PD = Public Domain *Please Send Any Additions, Deletions or Corrections to joemoore@cruzio.com =========================================================================== * TABLE OF CONTENTS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER AGRICULTURE FTP ORGANIZATIONS ARCHIVES FULLERENES ATMOSPHERE PATENTS GENERAL PICTURES BOOKS GEOMETRY POPULATION GLOSSARY CALENDARS QUOTES CITIES IRC CLASSES SEARCH CLOTHING LISTS SIMULATIONS STATISTICS DEBT MAGAZINES DEMOCRACY MAPS TRANSPORTATION DOMES MEDIA, MAGNETIC MEDICAL UPDATE ENERGY, RENEWABLE MUSIC EDUCATION WATER NEWSGROUPS NEWSLETTERS =========================================================================== GENERAL INFORMATION: OVERVIEWS, SUMMARIES, ETC. *ARTICLES, ESSAYS, ETC. (ELECTRONIC) Bucky Fuller (Robert A. Wilson) http://www.nets.com/site/raw/fuller.html Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute (Richard Henderson & Joe Moore) http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html Bucky's Grand Strategy (Joe S. Moore) http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html Doing the Right Things (Medard Gabel & Evan Frisch) http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/doright.html Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Chris Fearnley) http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf/fuller-faq.html Guinea Pig "B" (from 'Inventions') (R. Buckminster Fuller) http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/crywalt/inventions/Bucky.html World Game (Robert A. Wilson) http://www.nets.com/site/raw/game.html World Game Home Page (Chuck Dingee) http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drhome.html What the World Wants...and How to Pay for It (WGI staff) http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/wwants.html DATABASES Bucky Public Domain (Moore) ftp://switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/RBFdb.lha Global Recall (WGI) XTM00002@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU FILTERING SERVICES NetNews Filtering Server (Body: "help") netnews@db.stanford.edu PICTURES Bucky Public Domain 1A http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/jm_gall.html Bucky Public Domain 1B http://switchboard.ftp.com/1/BF Bucky Public Domain 2 http://www.newciv.org/Bucky/BuckyPics.html Planet Earth 1 http://www.nosc.mil/planet_earth/photos.html Planet Earth 2 http://www.nosc.mil/planet_earth/earth_images.html * Satellite Images http://gopher.awis.auburn.edu:70/I/images/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AGRICULTURE DEFORESTATION WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html#SUS2 FOOD WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drfeed.html NEWSGROUPS Food sci.agriculture SOIL EROSION WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARCHIVES, SEARCHABLE Geodesic listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ATMOSPHERE *ANIMATIONS * Spherical Anims of Earth's Cloudforms (Pending; Eric J. Morris; PC?) * Spherical Visions eric@pacificrim.net *OZONE DEPLETION * ARTICLES WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html#SUS3 *WARMING, GLOBAL * ARTICLES * Global Warming WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html#SUS5 * SIMULATIONS * Windows for Image (Greenhouse Effect Simulation & Analysis; IBM-PC) * ME ftp://ftp.santafe.edu/pub/gmk/2050/Modeling/wim94-demo/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- BIBLIOGRAPHIES ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- BOOKS (PAPER UNLESS NOTED "D" FOR DIGITAL) BY BUCKY 4D Timelock bfi@aol.com And It Came to Pass--Not to Stay bfi@aol.com Buckminster Fuller Reader bfi@aol.com Cosmography: A Posthumous Scenario for the Future of Humanity bfi@aol.com Cosmography: A Posthumous......... http://intertain.com/store/welcome.html Critical Path bfi@aol.com Earth, Inc. bfi@aol.com Education Automation bfi@aol.com Grunch of Giants bfi@aol.com Ideas and Integrities (Dave Morrison Books; used) morrison@teleport.com Ideas and Integrities bfi@aol.com Intuition bfi@aol.com Nine Chains to the Moon bfi@aol.com No More Second Hand God bfi@aol.com Operating Manual for SpaceShip Earth bfi@aol.com Synergetics (I): Explorations in the Geometry of thinking bfi@aol.com Tetrascroll: Goldilocks & the Three Bears morrison@teleport.com Tetrascroll: Goldilocks & the Three Bears bfi@aol.com Utopia or Oblivion: The Prospects for Humanity bfi@aol.com World Game:Integrative Resource Utilization Planning Tool (DIGITAL) Table of Contents http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html BY OTHERS 50 Years of Design Science Revolution & the World Game (?, ed) bfi@aol.com A Fuller Explanation (Edmundson) bfi@aol.com Basic Bucky (PD; D) (Moore) http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html Bucky: A Guided Tour of Buckminster Fuller (Kenner) morrison@teleport.com Bucky for Beginners (Laycock) bfi@aol.com * Bucky's 100s (publication pending) (Hoberman, ed) ? @ ? * Bucky Works (publication pending) (Baldwin) ? @ ? Buckminster Fuller: Autobiographical Monolog/Scenario (Snyder) bfi@aol.com Buckminster Fuller: Autobiographical...... (Snyder) morrison@teleport.com Development Pattern of Geometric Structures (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller (Marks) morrison@teleport.com Dome-It-Yourself Instruction Book (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is EDC Booklet (163 Domes & Projects '72-92) (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is * Ho-Ping: Food for Everyone (Gabel) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu Nature's Forms (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is Non-Being and Somethingness (Hample) morrison@teleport.com Synergetics Dictionary (Applewhite) bfi@aol.com World Game Map Teacher Resources Guide (staff)xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CALENDARS (PAPER UNLESS NOTED OTHERWISE) 1995 Buckminster Fuller Centennial Calendar bfi@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CITIES AIR LAND SEA Oceania Project http://oceania.org/ SPACE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CLOTHING, JEWELRY, ETC. EARRINGS Celestial Orb (Design Science Toys) stuq@mhv.net KEY RINGS Marble Globe (GENI) geni@cerf.net *MUGS * Earth from Space (Geosphere Project) http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html NECKLACES Pendant Celestial Orb (Design Science Toys) stuq@mhv.net T-SHIRTS Global Awareness Unfolding (BFI) bfi@aol.com Connect the World with GENI (GENI) geni@cerf.net * Earth From Space http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html Natural Spaces Dome Logo (NS) c/o donh@hoflin.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPUTER, ULTRA-MICRO ARTICLES HARDWARE Applied Synergetics (Rick Bono) http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/index.html Bono's Picture Gallery http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/rb_gall.html SOFTWARE Applied Synergetics (Rick Bono) http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEBT National http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drdebt.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEMOCRACY, ELECTRONIC Voting By Phone Foundation (Evan Ravitz) evan@welcomehome.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOMES, GEODESIC ARCHITECTS, CONSULTANTS, DESIGNERS, ETC. * Chu, Russell (Tensegrity Structural Systems) * RCHU@aol.com * Clinton International Design Consultants * Joseph D. Clinton c/o donh@hoflin.com Fuller & Sadao, PC c/o EdApple@aol.com Thorsteinn, Einar, DI kingdome@mmedia.is Kingdomes Home Page http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome/ MANUFACTURERS, DEALERS, ETC. Aluminum Geodesic Spheres (AGS) FL, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com American Ingenuity, Inc. FL, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com GeoDomes Woodworks CA, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Hexadome of America, Inc. CA, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Key Dome FL, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Kingdomes TX, USA kingdome@mmedia.is Monolithic Constructors, Inc. TX, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Natural Spaces, Inc. MN, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Shelter Systems CA, USA c/o joemoore@cruzio.com Timberline Geodesics CA, USA TLineDomes@aol.com MODELS * 1 2 3 4 Sphere Kit (21") by A.G.S. Products bfi@aol.com Geodesic Dome Kit (BFI) bfi@aol.com Glitter Globes (Karl Schmidt; Transtronics) kschmidt@databank.com Hoberman Sphere bfi@aol.com Hoberman Sphere stuq@mhv.net Kingdome Models (5) (Einar Thorsteinn) kingdome@mmedia.is Synergy Ball (P Salsbury Designer; Design Science Toys) bfi@aol.com Synergy Ball (P.Salsbury Designer; Design Science Toys) stuq@mhv.net TensegriToy by Tensegrity Systems bfi@aol.com TensegriToy by Tensegrity Systems stuq@mhv.net NEWSGROUPS Architecture alt.architecture.alternative PICTURES Araki, Yoshiaki (Synergetics Institute, Japan) Pine Dome Project http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/dome.html Dickson, Stewart (Geometry & Geodesic Domes) http://mathsource.wri.com/~mathart/portfolio/SPD_Geo_port_detail.html#capsi Geary, Carol Stained Glass Dome http://sunsite.unc.edu/otis/pers/Geary_C.html Siqueira, Rodrigo (Tensegrities pics & text) http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html Wright, Vedder Plastic Fork Dome http://world.std.com/~vwright/hobbies.html SOFTWARE Dome Data Generator ftp://ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/povray/utilities/geodome.zip Dome Generator avalon.chinalake.navy.mil/pub/utils/misc/geodesic_obj.uue Geodome software, Pics and Text http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html TEXTS Birth of the Geodesic Dome--How Bucky Did It (Lloyd Seiden) http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html DOME magazine (Paper, Don. Hoflin, ed, Quarterly,CO) donh@hoflin.com Domes in Australia ( ? ) http://www.iinet.com.au/~mktrecom/corringe/wilja.html Earthquake in Japan (Yoshiaki Araki) http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/disaster.html Miscellaneous DOME Magazine Articles (Einar Thorsteinn) cindyk@hoflin.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDUCATION CLASSES, COURCES, LECTURES Dome (Natural Spaces, Inc.) c/o donh@hoflin.com Kingdome Correspondence Course kingdome@mmedia.is CURRICULA Project Synergy (Gerry Segal) GERRY@BNK2.BNKST.EDU *EVENTS 1995 * Bucky Fuller Centennial Celebration ("Fall", Philadelphia, PA, USA) * WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * Bucky Centennial Event (Nov ??, New York, NY, USA) Cathedral of St.John the Divine ? @ ? * 1996 ILLITERACY WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drlit.html WORKSHOPS Diversity (WGI) XTM00002@DUVM.ocs.DREXEL.edu Energy Environmental (WGI) XTM00002@DUVM.ocs.DREXEL.edu K-12 School (WGI) XTM00002@DUVM.ocs.DREXEL.edu World Issues (WGI) XTM00002@DUVM.ocs.DREXEL.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ENERGY, RENEWABLE GENERAL DISTRIBUTION (GLOBAL ENERGY GRID) ANIMATIONS * Global Electrical Grid (10 min; IBM-PC Compatible; Russell D. Hoffman) * GENI geni@cerf.net * Compuserve (Keyword: ANISOFT) ( VGA) GENI_VGA.ZIP * (Keyword: ANISOFT) (SVGA) GENI.ZIP * America On-Line (Keyword: ANIMATED SOFTWARE) ( VGA) GENI_VGA.ZIP * (Keyword: ANIMATED SOFTWARE) (SVGA) GENI.ZIP ESSAYS/ARTICLES The Global Energy Grid (Robert Anton Wilson) http://www.nets.com/site/raw/grids.html The Global Energy Grid (World Game Institute) http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drnrg.html#NRG2 * The GENI Model: The Interconnection of Global Power Resources to Obtain * an Optimal Global Sustainable Energy Solution (Dekker, Meisen & Bruton) * http://www.cerf.net/geni/Text/Simulation_Article.html EFFICIENCY ARTICLES Energy Efficiency WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drnrg.html NEWSGROUPS General sci.energy Renewable alt.energy.renewable PRODUCTION STORAGE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL (FTP) DOWNLOAD & UPLOAD SITES Critical Path Project (UL) cpp.critpath.org/incoming/ Kaplowitz, Dave (DL) switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/ Kaplowitz, Dave (UL) switchboard.ftp.com/incoming/ New Civilization Network (DL) ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/ New Civilization Network (DL) ftp.newciv.org/pub/Synergetic_Geometry/ New Civilization Network (UL) ftp.newciv.org/incoming/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/bin/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/docs/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/images/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/movies/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (UL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/in.coming/ Wardley, Andy (DL) ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/povray/HALL_OF_FAME ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- FULLERENES ANIMATIONS Carbon-60 http://chem-www.mps.ohio-state.edu/~lars/moviegif/ex6.mpg MODELS Bucky Ball Carbon-60 Molecule (Mondo-Tronics) bfi@aol.com Bucky Ball Carbon-60 Molecule (Mondo-Tronics) mondo@mondo.com One-Piece Carbon-60 Sphere (A.G.S. Products) bfi@aol.com PICTURES Fullerene Structure Library http://sbchm1.sunysb.edu/msl/fullerene.html Mitshuho Yoshida's Fullerene Gallery http://cochem2.tutkie.tut.ac.jp:8000/member/yoshida/fuller/Fuller.html#fuller SUNY Stony Brook University http://buckminster.physics.sunysb.edu/ Sussex University http://www.susx.ac.uk/Users/kroto/fullgallery.html TEXTS Buckyball: An Excruciatingly Researched Report (Rodrigo Siqueira) http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html UPDATE SERVICES (AUTOMATED E-MAIL) Articles (Body: "help") bucky@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu News http://www.physik.uni-oldenburg.de/bucky/htmls/bucky.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- GEOMETRY, SYNERGETICS DATABASES, POLYHEDRA Index Page http://www.netlib.org/polyhedra/index.html GENERAL Synergetics-on-the-Web (Kirby Urner) Home Page http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html Art Gallery Index http://www teleport.com/~pdx4d/ftp/artindex.html MODELS Celestial Orb by stuq@mhv.net Cubocta-Flex (Stuart Quimby) by stuq@mhv.net Dodeca by stuq@mhv.net Dodeca-Flex by stuq@mhv.net FeeBee/WeeBee by stuq@mhv.net Flex-Star-3 by stuq@mhv.net Flex-Star-4 by stuq@mhv.net Flex-Star-6 by stuq@mhv.net Icosa-Flex by stuq@mhv.net OctaBug by Design Science Toys bfi@aol.com OctaBug by Design Science Toys stuq@mhv.net PolyGonzo by stuq@mhv.net Quad-Rhom by stuq@mhv.net Quix-I by stuq@mhv.net Quix-II by stuq@mhv.net Rhoma by stuq@mhv.net RhomBlocks by stuq@mhv.net Roger's Connection by Design Science Toys bfi@aol.com Roger's Connection by Design Science Toys stuq@mhv.net Stik-Trix by stuq@mhv.net Tetra-Star-8 by stuq@mhv.net Turn-About by stuq@mhv.net Vector Flexor (VE) by Da Mert Company bfi@aol.com VectorSphere-I by stuq@mhv.net VectorSphere-II by stuq@mhv.net VexaHedron by stuq@mhv.net MOVIES (ANIMATIONS) Hawkins, Richard Synergetics Movies http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/ PICTURES De Jong, Gerald Gallery http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/gdj_gall.html Fearnley, Chris Gallery http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/cf_gall.html Getty, Tom Polyhedra http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tgettys/poly.html Hart, George Pavilion of Polyhedrality http://www.li.net/~george/pavilion.html Hawkins, Richard Synergetics Pics http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/ Plank, Jim _ http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/pics/origami/keleido-pics/pics.html Origami http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/pics/origami/origami.html Urner, Kirby Polyhedra http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ku_gall.html SOFTWARE Geometry Center (Univ. of Minnesota) software@geom.umn.edu Geometry Forum http://forum.swarthmore.edu/ Geomview 1.1 (3mb) ftp://geom.umn.edu/pubgeomview/geomview-bin.tar.Z Miscellaneous http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/sw_gall.html PolyWog 3-D Modeling program by Elizabeth Kommit chao@CRL.COM TEXTS Essay on Synergetics (Gerald De Jong) http://www.xs4all.com/~gdj/synerget.html Comments About the Book 'Synergetics' http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- GLOSSARY Bucky Glossary http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC) Discussion of Fuller's Ideas (Sundays) /join #geodesic ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- LISTS, SUBSCRIPTION (l = lowercase "L", not 1) Geodesic (RBF's Works Discussion) listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Mission-Earth (Whole Earth Simulation) listserv@listserv.ncsu.edu Synergetics-l (Synergetics Discussion) majordomo@teleport.com Wholeinfo-l (Summary of Wholesys-l) listserv@netcom.com Wholesys-l (Abundance Economics ) listserv@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAGAZINES (PAPER AND ELECTRONIC) DOME magazine (Paper, Don. Hoflin, ed, Quarterly,CO) donh@hoflin.com Synergetica (Paper, Russell Chu, ed; Back Issues Only) bfi@aol.com Synergetics Journal (Paper, ? , ed, Santa Barbara) bfi@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAPS, GLOBES, ETC. *ARTICLES (PAPER) * A New World Map for a New World Order WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu *CARDS (PAPER) GREETING BFI (4" x 8") bfi@aol.com * POSTCARDS * SpaceShip Earth World Map (Color; 5.5" x 3.5") * BFI bfi@aol.com *CHARTS * Star http://galaxy.einet.net/mall/Jill-Swift/geodome.html *GLOBES * FOLD-UP (PAPERBOARD) * Dymaxion Sky-Ocean (5.5"diam; Color w/Population; S.S.Earth ed.) * BFI bfi@aol.com * Fuller Projection (5.5"diam; Color) * WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * Dymaxion Globe (6.0"diam; 4-Color) * GENI geni@cerf.net INFLATABLE * EarthBall (??" x ??"; Satellite Images; Eric J. Morris) * Spherical Visions eric@pacificrim.net * POP-UP (PAPERBOARD) * Earth from Space (5"diam; Color) * GeoSphere http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html *MAPS CLASSROOM (PAPER) (12' x 26' Vinyl) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * GYMNASIUM * OUTLINE (PAPER) ( 3' x 6' Laminate) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu PLAYGROUND (31' x 65' Stencil) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu WALL (PAPER) (34" x 22" Color Raleigh Edition) BFI bfi@aol.com (35" x 22" Grip-Kitrick) WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (38" x 23" Color Donnelley Edition) BFI bfi@aol.com *POSTERS (PAPER) * Dymaxion Map with Global Energy Grid (34" x 22"; 4-Color) * GENI geni@cerf.net * Geosphere (Six Global Views: 24" x 36") * GeoSphere Project http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geospher.html *PROJECTS * GeoSphere Project (Tom van Sant) * http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geospher.html *PUZZLES * Dymaxion World Map (Wood; Color; ??" x ??") * Pacific Puzzles bfi@aol.com *SOFTWARE MAPS Global Recall (Countries, World; MAC) WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * ANIMATIONS * Spherical Anims of Earth's Cloudforms (Pending; Eric J. Morris; PC?) * Spherical Visions eric@pacificrim.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MEDIA, MAGNETIC COMPACT DISKS (CD'S) * Introduction to Bucky Fuller (Pending) * Blaine D'Amico damico@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu * World Game (pending) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu DISKS FLOPPIES * Global Recall xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu Hard, Removable Cartriges TAPES AUDIOTAPES Around the Universe in 90 Minutes ( 1.5 hrs) bfi@aol.com Buckminster Fuller: The 50 Year Experiment ( 1.5 hrs) bfi@aol.com Everything I Know (40.0 hrs) bfi@aol.com COMPUTER VIDEOTAPES A Win-Win Solution (15 min) geni@cerf.net Dome-It-Yourself (45 min)kingdome@mmedia.is Dymaxion Lab:Experiment in Individual Initiative(?? min) bfi@aol.com Dymaxion Lab: What Individual Can Do (60 min) bfi@aol.com Ecological Design: Inventing the Future (?? min) bfi@aol.com Modeling the Universe (15 min) bfi@aol.com Selected Ideas of Buckminster Fuller (PD) (55 min) geni@cerf.net What If...A New Global Option (15 min) geni@cerf.net World of Buckminster Fuller (90 min) bfi@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MEDICAL *AIDS Aids (Icosa Virus Pics) http://www.bocklabs.wisc.edu/virusviz.html *HEALTH Health Care http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drhealth.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MUSIC * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEWSGROUPS *ENERGY Energy sci.energy Energy, Renewable alt.energy.renewable *FOOD * Agriculture sci.agriculture *GENERAL Fuller (Geodesic List Gateway) bit.listserv.geodesic *HOUSING Housing alt.architecture.alternative *POPULATION * *SYSTEMS * Global alt.earth.system.science *TRANSPORTATION * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEWSLETTERS Trimtab (BFI, Paper) bfi@aol.com GENI (GENI, Paper) geni@cerf.net Global Peace Gaming (GLOSAS, Electronic; back issues) GLOSAS@vm1.mcgill.ca World Game Report (WGI, Paper) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORGANIZATIONS Buckminster Fuller Institute (BFI) General bfi@aol.com Newsletter: Trimtab (Paper) bfi@aol.com WWW http:// Critical Path Project (FIX BBS) (CPP) General kiyoshi@critpath.org WWW http://www.critpath.org/ Global Energy Network International (GENI; Peter Meisen, Dir) * E-MAIL * Internet geni@cerf.net * AOL geniproj@aol.com * Compuserve 75543.520@compuserve.com * WWW Home Page http://www.geni.org/ * Newsletter: "GENI" (Paper) geni@cerf.net Bucky Centennial http://www.cerf.net/geni/Text/COVER.html Global Systems Analysis & Simulation Assn (GLOSAS) General GLOSAS@vmi.mcgill.ca WWW http:// Mission Earth (ME) * Gottfried Mayer-Kress gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu * Home Page (Santa Fe) http://www.santafe.edu/~gmk/MissionEarth/ UIUC http://www.ccsr.uiuc.edu/People/gmk/Projects/MissionEarth/ New Civilizaion Network (NCN) Steingrubner, Joachim jhs@newciv.org Bucky Stuff http://www.primenet.com/~jhs/geostuff.html Funch, Flemming Bucky Text http://www.protree.com/worldtrans/bucky.html Bucky Pics http://www.newciv.org/Bucky/BuckyPics.html Synergetic Geometry http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/ Synergetics Institute Araki, Yoshiaki http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/index.html About Fuller http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/fuller.html World Game Institute (WGI) Headquarters (Drexel Univ.) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu Chuck Dingee, West Coast of North America Representative http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/WGI.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PATENTS, SEARCHES *Internet Patent News Service * http://sunsite.unc.edu/patents/intropat.html *Town Hall * http://town.hall.org/cgi-bin/srch-patent ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PICTURES, COLLECTIONS, MISCELLANEOUS, ETC. *HOLOGRAMS 3-D World Wide Holograms (Mark Diamond) hologram@shadow.net *PUBLIC DOMAIN * MOORE, JOE 0.8meg ftp://switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/Buckypics.lha 2.0meg ftp://switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/joe.moore.buckypics.jpg.tgz 1.0meg ftp://ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/jmoore1.zip 1.0meg ftp://ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/jmoore2.zip 1.3meg ftp://ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/jmoore3.zip ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- POETRY * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- POPULATION, TRENDS, ETC. General http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drpop.html U.N. Population Div gopher://gopher.undp.org/11/ungophers/popin/wdtrends ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- QUOTES, BUCKY No More Second Hand God (Ch 3, pp 41-4) http://www.emf.net/~mal/grok.html Synergetics Synergetics II ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SEARCH ENGINES (KEYWORDS: "GEODESIC", "BUCKMINSTER", ETC) * Archie (FTP Archive File Name Searches) * (Telnet; Login: archie) archie.rutgers.edu Gopher Title Searches (Telnet Login: gopher) consultant.micro.umn.edu Web Crawler http://webcrawler.cs.washington.edu/WebCrawler/WebQuery.html Wide Area Info Service (WAIS) FullText (Telnet Login:wais) quake.think.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SIMULATIONS, GLOBAL *ARTICLES (PAPER) * Games-Interactive Learning Environments (author ?) * EMD org xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * Planning Diseases ( ? ) * Futurist mag xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * What Does Peace Mean? ( ? ) * WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * World Game at Twenty (author ?) * Futurist mag xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu *SOFTWARE * Geosphere Project (Tom van Sant) * http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html * Global Recall Solutions Lab (Floppies) * WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * Global Recall Solutions Lab (CD) (Pending) * WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu Mission Earth gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu Morris, Eric J. eric@pacificrim.net Multiple User Dimensions (MUDS) ? * World Game Network (pending) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- STATISTICS, GLOBAL United Nations http://www.undcp.or.at/unlinks.html CIA World Fact Book '94 http://www.ic.gov/94fact/fb94toc/fb94toc.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRANSPORTATION AIR AirCar Dymaxion Car (Chris Rywalt) http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/crywalt/Bucky_Pics/Bucky_pics.html Transports LAND Mass Transit SEA Submarines ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE SERVICES (AUTOMATED E-MAIL) BuckminsterFullerene Updates (Body: "help") bucky@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu NetNews Filtering Server (Body: "help") netnews@db.stanford.edu Fullerene News http://www.physik.uni-oldenburg.de/bucky/htmls/bucky.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WATER Acid Rain http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html#SUS4 Drinking http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drh20.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:25:31 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: GENI ARTICLE On July 29 I had intended to upload the following response to Ed Applewhite's e-mail: Dear ED, Due to technical problems I wasn't able to retrieve your e-mail of 7-14-95 until 7-26-95. On 7-28 I spent the whole afternoon attempting to secure a copy of the 7-8 NEW SCIENTIST article about the Global Energy Grid. Two local bookstores had either sold out that issue or sent the unsold copies back. Only the Santa Cruz city-county combined system Main branch carries that magazine but it is a gift and therefore always about a month behind. The University of California Santa Cruz Science library (not the Main!) carries it but since the current issues can not be checked out they are floating around somewhere in the public reading areas or are in the back waiting to be reshelved. Everywhere I turned I hit a brick wall! Very frustrating. I'll keep trying but it may take a while. Sincerely, Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:00:21 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY INDEX Every so often someone asks a question similar to the following: "I remember Bucky talking about ___________ (fill in blank). Where in his books does that subject appear?" Since most of his books do not have an index, it is very difficult to locate the appropriate passage, especially from memory. Would some of you out there be willing to build an index for each Bucky book that does not have one? Maybe you could divide the task among yourselves. As each index was completed, it could be posted to the geodesic list. Would someone be willing to post the indexes that already do exist? Would someone be willing to combine all the indexes into a Master Bucky Index? Would someone be willing to add the MASTER BUCKY INDEX to their web page? I can provide a list of Bucky books that do and don't have indexes. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:07:15 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: COPYRIGHTS Someone asked why I put the statement about the Public Domain in my sig file. It is my understanding that under the new copyright laws, all posts are automatically copyrighted even if the author doesn't put a notice. In order for something to be in the public domain the author has to explicitly state that a post is intended to be in the public domain. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:38:48 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Patrick Alessandra Jr." Subject: Re: BUCKY INDEX Yea indeed, The best way I've found (after much agony and suffering) to do indexes/compilations is to actually digitize/scan in the text of the books -- it takes about a minute per page on a PowerPC Mac system -- I'd be happy to cooperate -- add me to the list. Peace, Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 21:56:31 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bill Cmelak Organization: Omnifest Subject: Re: BFVI UPDATE Thank you very much for all of that Fuller information, Joe. I really appreciate it. I did not quote it due to its extensive length. Is that the official, or unofficial FAQ for this newsgroup? It should be! Bill ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:04:08 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jim Frye Subject: Re: M.Python In-Reply-To: > > What do you all think are the top 10 (to pick a number) > ideas, concepts, big ideas that my stu should focus on > and get from such an exposure ? > > thanks, > > Paul Kosuth > prkosuth@prairienet.org Paul, I'm no "Buckie-follower" by any means, just started following this conference some time back to pick up information on how to build a dome workshop/storage shed in my back yard. I've kept reading for some of the other ideas presented from time to time. And, there have been a *LOT* of 'em! I'd suggest you take the trouble to get some of the archives of this conference and just skim through for various interesting threads. This current spring/summer hasn't been quite the same (IMO, deterioriated) as it was when I first picked up the group. I guess Bucky is best known for his domes. Several people who were on here have built 'em and there were a lot of comments about their utility, construction, problems (mostly arising from *inappropriate* building techniques), and so on. There are many, many ways of doing the things---and they are quite practical. The Global energy net is another bang-up idea whose time appears to have come. Taken a lot more seriously in Europe than here, tieing the electrical grids of the world together could save untold billions in the more efficient utilization of generation capacity, etc. The tensegrity-truss was for a long time---and as far as I know still is---the *only* NASA approved type of structure for space-construction projects. Don't forget the various "Dymaxion" things: like the car and the bath. Still some pretty good stuff there---especially for third-world use. The above come under the heading of practical "things" of course. I suppose the best, and the hardest to grasp, of Bucky though is his concepts of new ways of thinking---in math, synergetics, etc. I personally haven't taken the time to go into 'em (and am thus probably missing the "Best of Bucky") but as far as I can tell the *purpose* of all that stuff might be 'reduced' to a greater striving for efficiency. Some of the latest ideas in business and management ("better, faster, cheaper") have a curiously Bucky-like "flavor" to 'em. Hope that helps 'ya some & good luck with the class! Jim Frye jimfrye@wsp1.wspice.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:49:23 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: KAJIKAWA INFO As of 3-8-95 Yasushi Kajikawa's new phone numbers were: T +81-465-43-3454 F +81-465-43-3103 This info came from Andreas Schneider as@twics.com (6-17-95). PS: Which models in Quimby's catalog did Yasushi design? Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:58:23 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BASIC BUCKY TOC BASIC BUCKY TABLE OF CONTENTS Available at: http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html C H A P T E R T I T L E PAGE 1 INTRODUCTION NATURE'S GEOMETRY___________1.1 60 DEGREE SYSTEM____________1.2 UNIFIED FIELD_______________1.3 3-WAY WEAVING_______________1.4 LOW ERROR MAPPING___________1.5 CONSTANT ZENITH CAD_________1.6 2 TETRAHEDRA QUARK MODEL_________________2.1 TET ANCHORS_________________2.2 DNA MODEL___________________2.3 BREAKWATER-GENERATOR________2.4 TETRA TRUSSES_______________2.5 OCEAN CITIES________________2.6 3 OCTAHEDRA OCTAHEDRA TRUSSES___________3.1 POLARIZED OCTAS_____________3.2 4 OC-TETS OC-TET TRUSSES______________4.1 LINEAR BUILDINGS____________4.2 OCTET HULLS_________________4.3 ELECTRON SHELLS_____________4.4 ULTRA-MICRO COMPUTER________4.5 OCTET SPACE STATION_________4.6 5 ICOSAHEDRA-A VIRUS ICOSAS________________5.1 ICOSA TRUSSES_______________5.2 PARACHUTE DOMES_____________5.3 PAPERBOARD DOMES____________5.4 WINDMILL DOMES______________5.5 SCIENTIFIC HOUSES___________5.6 DRY TOILET__________________5.7 HIGH PSI CLEANING___________5.8 VTOL CAR____________________5.9 6 ICOSAHEDRA-B GEODESIC TENTS______________6.1 TENSEGRITY DOMES____________6.2 FREE AIR COOLING____________6.3 AUTOMATED FOOD FACTORY______6.4 EXPANDABLE DOMES____________6.5 ENCLOSED CITIES_____________6.6 MILE-WIDE CRATER CITY_______6.7 CLOUD CITY__________________6.8 GEODESIC SPACE BASE_________6.9 7 SUS-ASPENSION GENERIC SUSPENSION__________7.1 SUSPENSION BUILDINGS________7.2 ASPENSION BUILDINGS_________7.3 8 CONCLUSION ENERGY FOR ALL______________8.1 WORLD ENERGY DISTRIBUTION___8.2 POPULATION VS ENERGY________8.3 HAVES VS HAVE-NOTS__________8.4 GLOBAL SIMULATION___________8.5 9 APPENDIX STRESS CALCULATIONS_________9.1 CHORD FACTORS_______________9.2 TET AS UNITY________________9.3 ORGANIZATIONS_______________9.4 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:43:59 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lloyd Turner Organization: The SenseMedia Network News - http://sensemedia.net/news - info@sensemedia.net - smn Subject: Re: Bucky's Patent Fixation? > The earth is populated by Scientists, who practice the art > of infallibility, and Non-Scientists, who are taken in by it. James, That's a good quote. I think I'll steal it. I'm impressed by the validity of almost everything you said in your post. Looks like you've had some hands-on experience. But what do you do if you've just invented something you know is valuable? You have to patent it in spite of the shortcomings of the system, right? I've found the best thing to do with a new patent is to run, not walk, to the largest manufacturer that you can trust (they exist) who handles the same kind of product. Give them good license terms and hope for the best. They promote it. They police and defend the patent. They manufacture it and sell it. Meanwhile you can start thinking up an improvement to offer them under better terms. Generally I don't think inventors make good businessmen. Each uses a different side of the brain. I say. . do your inventing because its fun and let the businessman do his thing because he is ruthless and greedy. Something for everybody. Right, James? BTW, what have you invented that I might be familiar with? -- Cheers, Lloyd ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 13:20:51 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: Bucky's Patent Fixation? >James, >That's a good quote. I think I'll steal it. I will alert my attorneys at once. :) >Looks like you've had some hands-on experience. Just a bit... it puts food on the table, and I like to eat. >But what do you do if you've just invented something you know is >valuable? You have to patent it in spite of the shortcomings of the >system, right? Nope, "trade secret" and good licensing terms are all you need. Copyright is nice for software, but the "unpublished copyright" method is best. If the licensee wants to go get a patent, that's up to them, and I help them where I can. There is no problem that cannot be resolved with a smile and a semi-automatic weapon james fischer jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 10:45:32 -0400 Reply-To: AMKALENAK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AMKALENAK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: BASIC BUCKY TOC Is this a web page ? Is there some way to access it with basic net resouces ? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 10:56:34 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ASCII ART Found some neat soccer balls (domes) while surfing the web. QUOTE: >From the ASCII Art USENET News Group Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art From: axm8676@cs.rit.edu (Ashesh X Majumdar) Subject: Soccer Ball Message-ID: <1994May3.082420.11180@cs.rit.edu> Sender: news@cs.rit.edu (USENET News Admin) Nntp-Posting-Host: tin Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 08:24:20 GMT Lines: 62 Status: RO ### ########### ############# ###### ############## ######### ############# ########## ############## ######## #### ############### ### ### ################# ### ### ##### ############ ### ### #### #### ### #### ################## #### ## ## #### ###################### #### ### #### ####################### ### ### ##### ######################### ### ### ##### ########################## ### ## ####### ########################### ### ## ######## ############################ #### ## ######### ################################ ##### ## ########## ######## ######################## ##### ######### ## ############### ################# ###### ############ ##### ########### ########## ################## ## ########### #### ################ ## ########## ### ################ ## ######### ### ################ ## ######### #### ############### ## ########## ### ############## ### ### ###### ### ################# ## ### ###### ######### ##### #### ## ## ################################### ### ### ### ########################## ###### ### ###################### #### #### ################### #### ###### ################ #### ############### ############## #### ###### ############# ########## ######### ### ball.gif ############################# ############################## ################### ######### ################# ############### ################# ############ ########### ##################### ######### ######## ######## #################### ###### ###### ############ ################ ###### #### ##### ############# ############# ## ### ### ############# ############## ### ## ## ############ ############## #### # # ########### ############## #### # ######### ############## ##### # #### ####### #### # ########## ######### # ############### ################# ## # ############### ################## ## # ## ################# ################# ## # ### ############### ################ ## ## #### #### ########## ######### ####### ## ### ###### ###### ############ ##### ######## ######## ############## ####### ########## ######## ############## ########## ############# ####### ############# ################## ############## ################## - Ash -- >From the ASCII Art USENET News Group Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art From: Nveilleu@emr1.emr.ca (Normand Veilleux) Subject: BIG: Soccer Message-ID: Lines: 72 Sender: news@emr1.emr.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: nveilleu.cpcs.emr.ca Organization: CPCS, Energy Mines & Resources, Canada Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 20:28:02 GMT Status: RO Content-Length: 3550 Even if you're not a soccer fan you'll probably get a kick out of this one. _,aaadP""""""Ybaaaa,,_ ,adP,__,,,aaaadP"""""Y888888a,_ ,a8888888P"'' "Y8888888b, _a888888888" `Y88888888b, ,d888888888P' "888888888b, ,88888888P"Y8, ,P' `""Y888b, ,d8888P"' "Ya, ,P' `Ya`b, ,P88"' `Ya, ,P' `b`Yi d",P `"Y, ,P' `Y "i ,P' P' "888888888888888b `b "i ,P' d' d8888888888888888b `b `b d' d' ,888888888888888888b I, Y, ,f ,f ,88888888888888888888b `b, b d' d' d888888888888888888888b ,88,I ,P 8 ,88888888888888888888888b,_ ,d8888 d' 8, d8888888888888888888888P'`"Ya,_ ,d88888 8 d88b, ,adP""Y888888888888888888P' `""Ya, d88888P 8 ,88888b, ,adP"' `"Y8888888888888"' `"888888I Y,88888888b, ,adP"' ""Y888888P" 888888' `888888888888P' ""YP" 888888 I88888888888 8 88888I `Y8888888888 8 88888' `Y888888888 Normand 8 8888I `Y88888888 Veilleux 8 8P"8' `Y8888888, 8 ,d',d' `b""""Y8b 8 ,d" ,d' "b, "Y, 8 ,P" ,d" "b, "Ya,_ ,d88ba,,___ _,aP" ,P" "Ya_ ""Ya,_ _,,ad88888888888888P"' _,d" `"Ya_ ""Yaaad88888888888888888888P _,d"' `"Ya,_ "Y888888888888888888P",d"' `""Ya,__`Y888888888888888P""" ``"""""""""""""'' I know someone posted a soccer ball last week, but I had been saving this one for three weeks now specifically for the kick-off of rec.arts.ascii's Call For Votes. To help rec.arts.ascii start on the right foot, I am preparing a "HOW TO..." post that will guide you through the creation of one particular drawing using my grid technique. Hope to see you there... The pictures I post are at their best when printed with a 'Line Printer 16.67 cpi' font or equivalent. ,aF ,a88" ,a888" ___ ______ ad88P" ,88888, ,d8888888a ,888"' ,88" `Y8, ,88" "Y8) a88" Quality is I8b, `8b ,88' d8) d88' never an accident. `Y8P 88.88' ,88' d88' It is always the (8V8' d8P d88' result of high (88P (8P d88' intentions, sincere d88 88' d88' effort, intelligent ,88' ,88 d88' direction and skillful d8P ]8[ d88' execution. It repres- ,88 ]8b d88' ents the wise choice 88' `Y8b ,ad8" of many alternatives. d8P `Y8888Y" -- Normand Veilleux nveilleu@emr1.emr.ca ---------------------------- . END QUOTE. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:20:10 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: BASIC BUCKY TOC Comments: To: amkalenak@aol.com In-Reply-To: <40006c$jhp@newsbf02.news.aol.com>; from "AMKALENAK" at Aug 5, 95 10:45 am AMKALENAK writes: > > Is this a web page ? > Is there some way to access it with basic net resouces ? > .- > Yes. There is a whole bunch of Bucky stuff at this web site run by Richard ("GoatBoy") Henderson. It is located in Edinburgh, Scotland, and should be accessable by any software that can surf (cruise?) the World Wide Web (WWW). If you can type in an address (URL) starting with http:// , you're in business. There's all kinds of Bucky info there: 50 poopsheets with references (Basic Bucky) a Glossary 50 or so Table of Contents (TOCs) of books by or about Fuller the current version of the Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute (BFVI) at least 9 links to other relevant Bucky resources on the net + whatever Rich has added since I last checked Everyone should definitely check it out. It's a good place to start exploring Bucky in general with links to more specific aspects of his work. Joe http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:39:13 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DUPLICATE POSTS Someone was wondering why they were getting duplicate posts from me. Quite often people who are not subscribers to the Geodesic list send me e-mail regarding something they read on the gatewayed newsgroup (bit.listserv.geodesic) or saw one of my posts through some other means (web searches, etc.). When I respond I generally send my posts to the geodesic list with a copy to the person's e-mail address in case they are not monitoring the newsgroup. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:00:14 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: PAPER DOMES Low-Cost Housing by Joe S. Moore One of the fastest and cheapest ways of mass-producing geodesic domes is by using paperboard manufacturing machinery and printing presses. Thousands of domes per day costing only pennies per square foot could easily be produced and shipped all over the world. The cardboard would be treated so that it was fireproof, bugproof, rotproof, and waterproof. For further information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Building Construction" 1959 by R. Buckminster Fuller U.S.patent 2,881,717 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Laminar Dome" 1965 by R. Buckminster Fuller U.S.patent 3,203,144 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'the Dome Builder's Handbook' 1973 edited by John Prenis pages 85-88 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Dymaxion World of R. Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by R. Buckminster Fuller & Robert Marks pages 61-2, 212-15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Paper Houses' 1974 by Roger Sheppard, Richard Threadgill, & John Holmes 115+ pages ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'the Mind's Eye of Buckminster Fuller' 1974 by Donald W. Robertson pages 40-42 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Inventions' 1983 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 145-56, 227-40 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'The Artifacts of R. Buckminster Fuller, Vol 3' 1985 edited by James Ward pages 237-8, 290-8, 358-61 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitola, California, USA October 21, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:01:20 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: QUARK MODELS QUARK MODELS by Joe S. Moore R. Buckminster Fuller discovered that the minimum shape that will compound with itself to fill all space is an irregular tetrahedron which he called the "MiTe" (minimum tetrahedron). And since energy as matter must have some kind of shape, and the minimum "thing" or shape (system) is a tetrahedron, Fuller's mite must be what the atomic physicists call a "quark"! All systems must have certain basic properties: 1) Clockwise or counterclockwise rotation or spin; 2) Opposite poles (with north either "up" or "down"; 3) Various volumes or energy contents (+ and - charges) 4) An inside and an outside; In addition, tetrahedra have the unique property of being able to easily turn themselves inside out to display eight (8) different faces. Therefore, in light of all of the above, it is possible to construct a quark chart listing all the various combinations of the above properties. This chart predicts a total of thirty-two (32) basic quarks (8 families, not 6) plus thirty-two inside-out versions (antiquarks) for a total of sixty-four (64) quarks. See: 'Synergetics' by R. Buckminster Fuller, 1975, pages 101, 535-9, 804-6. 'Synergetics II' by R. Buckminster Fuller, 1979, pages 263, 416. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:02:13 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TENSEGRITY TENSION INTEGRITY STRUCTURES BY JOE S. MOORE R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER FOUND WAYS TO MINIMIZE THE WEIGHT AND COST OF STRUCTURES BY MAXIMIZING THE TENSION AND MINIMIZING THE COMPRESSION ELEMENTS. HE CALLED IT TENSION INTEGRITY OR "TENSEGRITY". USING THESE TECHNIQUES IT IS POSSIBLE TO BUILD STRUCTURES OF UNLIMITED SIZE!! FOR FURTHER INFORMATION SEE: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "TENSEGRITY", PORTFOLIO & ARTNEWS ANNUAL # 4 (MAG) BY R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER SPRING 1961 PAGES 112-27, 148 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "TENSEGRITY" NOV 13, 1962 BY R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER U.S.PATENT 3,063,521 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'THE DYMAXION WORLD OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER' 1973 BY R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER & ROBERT MARKS PAGES 164-9, 201 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'THE MIND'S EYE OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER' BY DONALD W. ROBERTSON 1974 PAGES 58-64 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'DOME NOTES' 1975 BY PETER HJERSMAN PAGES 72-88 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'SYNERGETICS' BY R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER 1975 PAGES 372-431 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'AN INTRODUCTION TO TENSEGRITY' BY ANTHONY PUGH 1976 122 PAGES ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'GEODESIC MATH AND HOW TO USE IT' BY HUGH KENNER 1976 PAGES 1-44 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'INVENTIONS' 1983 BY R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER PAGES 179-93, 241-55, 274-80, & 286-93 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SALINAS, CA, USA FEB 21, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:03:05 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TENT DOMES Large Double Dome Tents by Joe S. Moore Large portable geodesic dome tents can be built by attaching a flexible interior skin dome to an exterior rigid skeleton dome. In tests by the U. S. Marines the tent skin did not flap in winds up to 120 mph. For further information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Catenary Geodesic Tent" Nov. 24, 1959 by R. Buckminster Fuller U.S.patent # 2,914,074 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Geodesics' 1968 by Edward Popko figs 21, 23, 25, 28-30, & 103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Domebook 2' 1971 by Pacific Domes pages 41, and 48-9 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'The Dome Builder's Handbook' 1973 edited by John Prenis pages 18, 25-30, & 38 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'The Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by R. Buckminster Fuller & Robert Marks pgs 186, 189, 191, 193, 204-7, & 221-3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Inventions' 1983 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 162-6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitola, California, USA October 23, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:04:14 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ELECTRON SHELL MODELS An Improved Model of Electron Shells by Joe S. Moore In 1966 and 1978 a sculptor named Kenneth Snelson patented an improved way of modeling the various electron shells. His models reflect nature's geometry as discovered by R. Buckminster Fuller. Snelson's models demonstrate that there are only seven possible geometric shapes that the local electron orbits can take. For further information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A Design for the Atom", Industrial Design (mag) by Kenneth Snelson Feb 1, 1963 pages 48-57 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Model for Atomic Forms" Oct ?_, 1966 by Kenneth Snelson u.s.patent 3,276,148 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Model for Atomic Forms" Jul 11, 1978 by Kenneth Snelson u.s.patent 4,099,339 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Portrait of an Atom: an Exhibition', Maryland Science Center, Baltimore, MD by Kenneth Snelson _?_ ?_, 1981 26 pages ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitola, California, USA October 21, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:05:07 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: UNIFIED FIELD MODEL Nature's Unified Field by Joe S. Moore R. Buckminster Fuller discovered nature's unified field which can account for all the various transformations of energy. He was able to express it as both a physical model and as the mathematical formula: t = 2 n (f squared) + 2. Unfortunately, the conventional scientific establishment has yet to recognize his monumental achievement! For further information see: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Synergetics' 1975 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 589-96, 677-8, and 810. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Synergetics II' 1979 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 57, 217-8, 239, 415, & 448, & plate 9. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capitola, California, USA October 21, 1994 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 13:12:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Lockley Subject: Question on Dymaxion bathroom I'm hoping somebody knows the answer to this off the top of his or her head -- I seem to remember that the architect Rudolf Schindler (from the Lovell house in L.A.) built a house on the shoreline of Mass or Connecticut somewhere, maybe even Martha's Vineyard, a glassy futuristic house that didn't work well in that climate. . . and that he installed a Dymaxion bathroom in it. Can anyone confirm this? thanks Walt klockley@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 13:47:08 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Lockley Subject: Dymaxion car I regret having zapped the name of the gentleman seeking information on the Dymaxion car. These are the basic facts FYI: In 1933 came the patent application for the Dymaxion Car, an egg-shaped, three-wheeled legendary metal chariot. Hugh Kenner quotes him, "I knew everybody would call it a car. It was the land- taxiing phase of a wingless, twin-orientable-jet-stilts flying device." Three were actually individually crafted. Preceeding the Chrysler Airflow by several years, it was the first streamlined automobile and could reportedly do 120 miles per hour on a standard 90 horsepower engine. It could describe a one-foot 180-degree turn at 15 MPH, since it steered on the single, rear wheel. At 21 feet long, it could carry 12 passengers in an interior yacht-like space as roomy as a minivan, and it got 28 miles per gallon at a time in history when MPG was not in the common vocabulary. Dymaxion Car #1 was clipped from behind by a politically- connected individual while racing in Chicago streets, which resulted in the death of the driver, the injury of a British passenger, and a great deal of bad publicity. Of the three built, one survives and is on demonstration at Harrah's Auto Museum in Reno Nevada. The best photos I've seen of the interior are in the Martin Pawley biography of Bucky. Pawley also goes into the role of the yacht- designer Starling Burgess in the building of the three vehicles. Also, you could check the archives of this list. The best I remember, it was around January of this year when there were some discussions of its performance. Wink (Charles E. Peck, at justwink@aol.com) called the wisdom of its high-speed rear-wheel steering into question, saying, as I remember, "Bucky privately admitted that the RWS should have applied only at low speeds," something like that. Despite its evident flaws, amazing how attractive the design is, 60 years afterwards. For full effect put it up against the other Ford and Packard models dating from 1933! hope this helps, Walt klockley@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 15:08:16 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: Synergetic Atomic Model Comments: To: synergetics-l-owner@teleport.com Comments: cc: Steven L Combs Steven Coomb wrote: >Of course, Fuller fans will know that tension/integrity (continuous >gravitational tension between discontinuous compression struts) is what >holds the Synergetic Atomic Model together. Not glue. Of course, Physics fans will know that Gluons are legitimate quantum particles: - The gravitational forces is mediated by the exchange of Gravitons. - The electromagnetic force - by the exchange of Photons. - The weak interaction - by the exchange of the massive W or Z Particles. - The strong interaction between quarks - by the exchange of Gluons. For example, in Maxwell's Theory of Electromagnetism, there are eight types of Gluons. There is even an entire field of study called Quantum Chromodynamics, which covers the theory of the strong sub-nuclear forces between Quarks and Gluons. So.... Gluons DO hold Quarks together! Yes, the name itself is a bad pun. (This is even more proof that humor is an integral part of physics.) As for the proposed "Synergetic Atomic Model", I suppose one could offer that the whole thing is held together by "continuous gravitational tension", but someone must point out that the gravitational force is but one of the known forces and can be swamped out by the others. >And how do particles exist in two places at once? Generation of a >fractal field allows particles in the S.A.M. to project information >across space without alteration of the particle. The above appears to be a self-contradicting statement. While it may be a metaphor, it seems to be a misleading one. If one chooses a "particle model" approach to quantum issues, then one is forced by definition to accept that in a particle model, information is exchanged between particles across space-time via the exchange of other (often very massive) particles. It goes without saying that anyone can play, but if one is going to use the terms "particle" and "fractal field" in the same paper, the entire peer-review group for your paper will ask: "Where is your global gauge symmetry if this 'fractal field' exists and has effect?" >But frankly, a snotty, ridiculous ego-trip post like the preceding >doesn't deserve any more response than to say that those truly interested >in applying synergetics to quantum physics need only e-mail me with a >hard copy address and I'll get some info and graphics out to you. Steven, your unfortunate choice of words (above) is unacceptable (and hitherto unheard of) in this forum. We often have fun in the Geodesic and Synergetics e-mail lists. This is not a crime. Please excuse me if I somehow offended you, but I do not see how you could have personally taken affront. Nothing said was directed at you. Your presumptuous assumption of your right/ability to judge and (mis)classify the writings of others as "snotty" and "ridiculous" seems to be the only "ego-trip" in progress. As you chose to do so on the e-mail list, it was a "round-the-world ego trip". There is no problem that cannot be resolved with a smile and a semi-automatic weapon james fischer jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 12:31:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mel Charters Subject: Geodesic Math misprint Hugh Kenner's Geodesic Math on page 75, equation 12.6, gives the equation for determining the icosohedral z1 coordinate. There is an undefined variable "f" in the first term of the equation. Could someone tell me what its definition should be? Mel Charters ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 15:03:50 CDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: DILLINGER RAY SAMUEL Subject: Who sells fullerdome kits, and what do they cost? Hi. I'm new on the newsgroup. I'll be here at *least* until somebody posts a faq. :) I'm saving for a house right now, and I have a simple question: Where can I get a fullerdome kit, and what does it cost? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 23:25:44 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic Math misprint In-Reply-To: ; from "Mel Charters" at Aug 6, 95 12:31 pm Mel Charters writes: > > Hugh Kenner's Geodesic Math on page 75, equation 12.6, gives the equation > for determining the icosohedral > z1 coordinate. There is an undefined variable "f" in the first term of the > equation. Could someone tell me what its definition should be? > > Mel Charters > .- > In the appendix to that chapter (12) on pages 82 & 83 he goes into the details of how he derived those formulas. f = frequency. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 23:34:18 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Who sells fullerdome kits, and what do they cost? In-Reply-To: <1995Aug6.150350.100258@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>; from "DILLINGER RAY SAMUEL" at Aug 6, 95 3:03 pm DILLINGER RAY SAMUEL writes: > > Hi. I'm new on the newsgroup. I'll be here at *least* until somebody posts > a faq. :) > > I'm saving for a house right now, and I have a simple question: > > Where can I get a fullerdome kit, and what does it cost? > .- > See Fuller FAQ at http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf/fuller-faq.html and other refs at http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 09:34:15 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: Geodesic Math misprint Mel Charters asked: >Hugh Kenner's Geodesic Math on page 75, equation 12.6, gives the equation >for determining the icosohedral z1 coordinate. There is an undefined variable >"f" in the first term of the equation. Could someone tell me what its >definition should be? There are quite a few errors in that book. I never compiled a complete errata, but "f" is the "frequency" of the dome. The common method of describing frequency uses a number, and the letter "v". So one could have a 4v, 6v, 8v, 12v, 16v, 32v or other dome type. The numbers (4, 6, 8...) are the frequency. There is no problem that cannot be resolved with a smile and a semi-automatic weapon james fischer jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 15:50:37 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: GENI ARTICLE In Message Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:25:31 PDT, Joe Moore writes: >On July 29 I had intended to upload the following response to Ed Applewhite's >e-mail: > >Dear ED, > >Due to technical problems I wasn't able to retrieve your e-mail of 7-14-95 >until 7-26-95. On 7-28 I spent the whole afternoon attempting to secure a >copy of the 7-8 NEW SCIENTIST article about the Global Energy Grid. Two >local bookstores had either sold out that issue or sent the unsold copies >back. Only the Santa Cruz city-county combined system Main branch carries i can send you the article, but it takes about 10 days.give me the adres that is if you do not have it yet. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:08:54 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: GENI ARTICLE In-Reply-To: <57041.tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl>; from "ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu!owner-geodesic" at Aug 7, 95 3:50 pm ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu!ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu!owner-geodesic writes: > > In Message Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:25:31 PDT, > Joe Moore writes: > > >On July 29 I had intended to upload the following response to Ed Applewhite's > >e-mail: > > > >Dear ED, > > > >Due to technical problems I wasn't able to retrieve your e-mail of 7-14-95 > >until 7-26-95. On 7-28 I spent the whole afternoon attempting to secure a > >copy of the 7-8 NEW SCIENTIST article about the Global Energy Grid. Two > >local bookstores had either sold out that issue or sent the unsold copies > >back. Only the Santa Cruz city-county combined system Main branch carries > > > i can send you the article, but it takes about 10 days.give me the adres > that is if you do not have it yet. > .- > "Tagdi", I'de love to have a copy. I'll send you a paper copy of my 'Basic Bucky' in return. It has the pics that go with the text. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 09:23:26 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: 3-WAY WEAVE THREE-WAY WEAVING by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-7-95 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- BI-AXIAL TRI-AXIAL Y Z Z Y Z Y XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Y Y Y Z Y Z Y Z Y Y Y Z Z Y Y Z Y Z Y Z Y XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Y Y Y Z Y Z Y Z Y Z Y Y Z Z Z Y Y Y Z Y Z Y Z Y Z Y XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Y Y Y Z Y Z Y Z Y Y Z Y Y Y Y Z Y Z Y Z Y XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Y Z Y Z Z Y R. Buckminster Fuller has pointed out that a 3-axis (triangular) weave is far superior to a 2-axis (square or 2-way) weave. 3-way weaves have 4 times the tear resistance of conventional weaves and resist spreading (runs). 3-axis weaving can be used to increase the durability and decrease the cost of many types of fabrics such as clothing, nylon stockings, parachutes, sails, tarps, tents, screens, nets, etc. Tennis and raquetball rackets using 3-axis stringing have 60% more ball-to-string friction for better control, more power, a larger sweet spot, less vibration, and superior shock dispersion. Any flat, round, or irregular shape can be woven such as hats, baskets, balls, and even geodesic domes! For further information see: 'Synergetics II' (1979) by R. Buckminster Fuller 1033.111. 'Critical Path' (1981) by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 13-14. 'A Fuller Explanation' (1987) by Amy C. Edmondson pages 232-33. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 09:25:07 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: UNIFIED FIELD Nature's Unified Field by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-7-95 R. Buckminster Fuller discovered nature's unified field which can account for all the various transformations of energy. He was able to express it as both a physical model and as the mathematical formula: t = 2 n (f squared) + 2. Unfortunately, the conventional scientific establishment has yet to recognize his monumental achievement! For further information see: 'Synergetics' 1975 by R. Buckminster Fuller 982.40-70 (see fig 982.61 in back of book) and 1052.30. 'Synergetics II' 1979 by R. Buckminster Fuller 982.61A (see plate 9 in front of book), 986.143, 1052.33, & 1077.000. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 09:24:25 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: QUARK MODELS QUARK MODEL by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-7-95 ____ __/ /\ \__ __/ / \ \__ __/ / \ \__ __/ / \ \__ __/ / \ \__ __/ / \ \__ __/ / \ \__ +----------------------------------------------+ /|\ / \ /| / | \ / \ / | / | \ / \ / | / | \ / OCTA \ / | / | \ / \ / | / | \ / \ / | / | \ / \ / | / | \ _ CG / | / | / \ __// / \ | / | / \ __// / / \ | / | / \ __/_/ / / \ | / | / __\ _/ / / \ | / TET | / __/ _\ / / \ | / | / __/ _/ \ / / \ | / |/_/ _/ \/ / \| / +- _/ /\--------------/---------------+ / __/ | _/ / \ / __/ / __/ | _/ MITE / \ / __/ / __/ |/____ / \ / __/ / __/ CG \____/__ \ / __/ / __/ \__ \ / __/ / __/ \__ \ / __/ /__/ \__\/__/ +-----------------------------------------------+ Fuller discovered that the minimum shape that will compound with itself to fill all space is an irregular tetrahedron which he called the "MiTe" (minimum tetrahedron). And since energy as matter must have some kind of shape, and the minimum "thing" or shape (system) is a tetrahedron, Fuller's mite must be what the atomic physicists call a "quark"! All systems must have certain basic properties: 1) Clockwise or counter-clockwise rotation or spin; 2) Opposite poles (with north either "up" or "down"; 3) Various volumes or energy contents ( + and - charges) 4) An inside and an outside; In addition, tetrahedra have the unique property of being able to easily turn themselves inside out to display eight (8) different faces. Therefore, in light of all of the above, it is possible to construct a quark chart listing all the various combinations of the above properties. This chart predicts a total of thirty-two (32) basic quarks (8 families, not 6) plus thirty-two inside-out versions (antiquarks) for a total of sixty-four (64) quarks. For further information see: 'Synergetics' 1975 by R. Buckminster Fuller 400.43, 953.00, and pages 804-6. 'Synergetics II' 1979 by R. Buckminster Fuller 986.422-5 and 1052.360. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 11:08:40 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Dr. Rick Kirschner" Subject: Examples of Principles Greetings to all. First, if you haven't checked into Joe Moore's web site, I encourage you to do so! His virtual institute is terrific, and a great source of Bucky info and, for me, inspiration! Thanks, Joe. Secondly, I have a request for any of you caring to help. I would like a few examples from nature, and then from economics, of the following principles... Accelerating Acceleration Ephemeralization Synergy Spontaneous Cooperation Individual Initiative Mistake Mystique Thanks in advance for your assistance! Rick P.S. Just to make sure you know what I'm NOT asking for, I'm NOT asking for references to books (I have several on my desk at this very moment!), nor am I asking you to give me Bucky's examples (though you certainly may do so!) Instead, I'd like you to provide me with YOUR best examples of the above principles,and tell me how you make them meaningful to yourself! ********************************************************* Bucky Fuller defined Synergy as th behavior of whole systems unpredicted by the behavior of their parts taken seperately. Dr. Rick Kirschner Owner, Creative Director R&R Productions ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 22:44:34 -0400 Reply-To: AMKALENAK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AMKALENAK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: 3-WAY WEAVE Do you know of anyone (or company) who does 3-way weaving. A 3-way woven fabric might work well in covering domes. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:20:09 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Examples of Principles In Message Mon, 07 Aug 1995 11:08:40 -0700, >Secondly, I have a request for any of you caring to help. I would like a >few examples from nature, and then from economics, of the following >principles... > >Accelerating Acceleration traveling has incresed inormouslly, production in factory using computer this a subject worthy of invistegation (quick) speed of airplanes i think the last is a jet which can do the earth in 1 hour. >Ephemeralization electronic equipment went into smallerization in 1960s, >Synergy this is really important, specially in relation to thinking no one yet is willing to talk about how one can be creative in combining the information to creat synergetic effect. some examples : food eating potato alone is not enough vestivels though the psycological synergy is not clear precieved nationalizm is negative synergy poetry may be. i have a poem i will send some day >Spontaneous Cooperation >Individual Initiative this i do not know >Mistake Mystique children learning to play ball, it is total trials. me trying to correct my spelling, while my head is full of thoughts. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 09:32:16 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DOME CLASS CONTENTS OF 'DOME NOTES' BY PETER HJERSMAN, 1975 1. INTRODUCTION 2. RESPONSIVE ARCHITECTURE 3. BUILDING MODELS a. Edge/Strut Models b. Face/Panel Models 4. DRAWING METHODS a. Drawing Methods (10) b. Finishing Methods (4) 5. GEODESIC PRIMER a. Intro b. Frequency c. Polyhedra d. Breakdowns e. Beyond Alternate and Triacon f. Explanation of Table 6. POLYTOPES (12) 7. OCTA-DOMES a. Intro b. 2 Frequency, Octahedron-Alternate c. 2 Frequency, Octahedron-Triacon d. Triakis Octahedron e. Small Rhombicuboctahedron f. Trapezoidal Icosatetrahedron g. Hexakis Octahedron h. Tipi Octahedron Dome i. Free-Form Octa j. Relationships 8. DIAMONDS a. Types of Diamonds b. Generating Diamonds c. Diamonds from Regular and Archimedian Solids (9) d. Aggregates e. Compounds f. Diamonds from Geodesics (4) 9. TENSEGRITIES a. Introduction b. Usefulness c. Models d. Types of Tensegrities (3) e. Tensegrity Polyhedra (12) f. Progressions g. Spheres h. Tensegrity Beam i. Tensegrity Masts (3) 10. HUB TESTING a. Objectives b. Test Machinery and Method c. Results and Analysis d. Hub 1: Continuous Strap Pipe e. Hub 2: Double External Plate f. Hub 3: Internal Plywood Plate g. Hub 4: External Strap Plate h. Hub 5: Single External Plate i. Addendum 11-A. FIRE TESTING a. The Flammability of Polyurethane Foam b. Fire Spread c. Fire Tests d. Polyurethane Foam e. Behavior of Polyurethane in a Fire f. Solutions g. Fire Safety and Codes h. References 11-B. BERKELEY CORNER TEST: EFFECT OF ROOM CONFIGURATION ON FIRE DEVELOPMENT I. Background a. Description of Test Facility b. Thermocouples c. Data Acquisition d. Ignition Sources e. Test Procedure f. Previous Tests g. Corner Flame Morphology h. Objectives of Testing i. Test Sequence II. Test Report a. Construction--Dome Segment b. Construction--Coved Corner c. Description of Materials d. Test Results and Analysis e. Dome Segment Results f. Dome Test "A" g. Dome Test "B" h. Dome Tests Comparison i. Dome Tests--Geometry j. Coved Corner Test k. Progression l. Conclusion 13. COSMIC SOLIDS 14. GEODESIC DOME CLASS <----------- a. Course Description <----------- b. Course Outline <----------- c. Suggested Study Projects <----------- d. Biography and Expectations (Peter Hjersman) 15. OTHER AREAS FOR INVESTIGATION (20) 16. MATH MISCELLANY 17. CONDUIT DOME: 2 FREQUENCY, ICOSA-ALTERNATE HEMISPHERE 18. GREAT CIRCLE DOME a. Materials b. Construction c. Assembly 19. TENSION DOME a. Design Math b. Materials c. Assembly 20. PLAYYARD ICOSAHEDRON 21. ALTERNATIVE STRUCTURES GROUP 22. EVERY COIN HAS TWO SIDES a. Dome Potentials b. Dome Precautions 23. LIVING WITH YOUR DOME 24. BIBLIOGRAPHY 25. INDEX/GLOSSARY -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 09:33:15 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DESIGN SCI PRIMER CONTENTS:'ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN SCIENCE PRIMER'BY H.BROWN, R.COOK & M.GABEL,'78 ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS PREFACE FORWORD A. INTRODUCTION 1. Overview 2. Conceptual Tools a. Starting with Whole Systems b. Systems and Environments c. Universe d. Humanity's Function in Universe e. Generalized Principles f. Spaceship Earth g. External Metabolic System h. Doing More with Less i. Wealth j. Trim-Tab k. Making Visible the Invisible l. The Design Initiative m. Fuller's Forty Questions B. METHODOLOGY 1. Design Science Planning Process 2. Choose Problem Situation 3. Define the Problems 4. Define the Preferred State 5. Describe the Present State 6. Inventory Alternatives 7. Develop Evaluation Criteria 8. Design the Preferred System 9. Develop Implementation Strategies 10. Document the Process 11. Take the Initiative 12. Beginning Again and the Educational Process 13. Design Science Planning Tools C. REFERENCES 1. Origins of Design Science 2. Measures and Conversions 3. World Population Data 4. Data Section a. Natural Resource Data b. Kilowatt Ratings of Appliances c. Energy Data d. Energy/Food Data e. U.S. Energy/Material Use in Construction f. U.S. Energy Use in Transportation g. Energy/Waste Recycling h. Energy Content/Packaging and Trash i. New Production vs. Recycling D. DESIGN SCIENCE BIBLIOGRAPHY BY ROBERT KAHN, EDITOR 1. Introduction 2. Section I: Biological, Physical and Meta Sciences 3. Section II: Human and Technological Systems 4. Section III: Human Thought and Values 5. Periodical Listing 6. The Buckminster Fuller List a. Section 1: Books by Buckminster Fuller b. Section 2: Books about Buckminster Fuller GLOSSARY PRIMER FEEDBACK/EVALUATION (NO INDEX) -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 09:34:03 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: AIR CIRCULATION Free Air Conditioning by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-8-95 In 1940 R. Buckminster Fuller discovered a way to cool buildings using only the natural thermodynamic laws of nature. The warm air thermal rising above a dome would pull warm air out from large openings around the bottom of a dome, thereby pulling bernoulli-effect cooled air in through a relatively small opening at the top of the dome. For further information see: 'Ideas and Integrities' 1963 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 221-3 'Domebook 2' 1971 by Pacific Domes page 82 'The Dymaxion World of R. Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by R. Buckminster Fuller & Robert Marks pages 124-5 'Critical Path' 1981 by R. Buckminster Fuller page 211 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 09:54:12 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic Math misprint Comments: To: amkalenak@aol.com In-Reply-To: <9508080238.AA04533@newsbf02.news.aol.com>; from "amkalenak@aol.com" at Aug 7, 95 10:38 pm amkalenak@aol.com writes: > > Joe, > Do you have all these books at hand ? > You are always so quick on the draw with volume and page info. > I'm impressed and curious. > Tony > .- > Yes. I have been collecting anything having to do with Bucky since 1970. Don't have everything, but I have a lot! (And it takes up a good deal of space; and it's heavy to move!) And I have tried to read everything at least twice, but it's hard to remember where different info is in different sources; that's why I created a database and have been talking about a master index. In the meantime I work from memory. Sometimes I spend half a day trying to locate a reference. Someday all of Bucky's articles and books will be on a CD with software making them easy to search. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:04:35 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: 3-WAY WEAVE Comments: To: amkalenak@aol.com In-Reply-To: <406j2i$4gv@newsbf02.news.aol.com>; from "AMKALENAK" at Aug 7, 95 10:44 pm AMKALENAK writes: > > Do you know of anyone (or company) who does 3-way weaving. > A 3-way woven fabric might work well in covering domes. > .- > There used to be several companies that produced 3-way weave tennis racquets, but they all dropped the lines. It is my understanding that parachute fabric is a 3-way weave. Some composites have a 3-way weave of fibers inside. Most manufacturers don't seem to understand the superiority of 3-way over 2-way weaving. I don't know why! Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:27:57 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics: A Four-Dimensional Object! Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <950808121324_133303632@aol.com>; from "Aprioripa@aol.com" at Aug 8, 95 12:15 pm Aprioripa@aol.com writes: > > > This would align with what Heisenberg's Uncertainty > > Relationship and all theories on holograms and > > parallel universes (that I know of) suggest: > > Great stuff!, being a synergetics novice (but learning!), and in order to > follow along with the multi-dimensional object discussion, I did the good > student behavior and went to Synergetics chapter on multi-dimensionality and > found (to my conventional mathematical woa!) that Bucky speaks of dimensions > in terms of convergence and divergence instead of perpindicular axis. Have > any of you wise ones written some text which helps us who were raised in > cartesian coordinates to understand the converge-diverge dimensionality > concept (I hope)? > > Thanks, > Patrick > .- > Don't know about the "wise one" part, but here goes: Dimension = unique plane. Therefore, a tetrahedron has 4 "dimensions". An icosahedron has 10. A VE has 7. Cube 3 Octa 4 Rhombic Dodeca 6 Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 14:34:09 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Subject: QUARK MODELS In the Synergetic Atomic Model, the mite is the Quantized Space of the Tau Neutrino whose Quantized Energy is modeled by the Vector Equilibrium. Larger particles are modeled by larger assemblies of mites. The Vector Equilibrium/Tau Neutrino is one of three subsets that comprise the Proton model. So if it is true that the proton is composed of three quarks, then the mite could be said to be a quark. But to categorize all quarks as simply mites and nothing more appears overly simplistic. Respectfully, Steven Lee Combs Syncorswim, Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:16:40 +0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Steven G. Sheridan" Subject: Request help. There has been some great posting lately on NET resources. Thank-you for your effort. I noticed quite a few illustrations of Fuller's ideas are in .mov file format. Could someone please post the name of a .mov file viewer and if possible a site it could be accessed and downloaded. I am running DOS and Windows3.11. I think some of the examples will be a good introduction to Fuller's ideas for my daughter ( and myself). Thank-you in advance. Steve Sheridan sgsheridan@cport.com Ideas have consequences! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:37:32 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: QUARK MODELS In-Reply-To: ; from "Steven L Combs" at Aug 8, 95 2:34 pm Steven L Combs writes: > > In the Synergetic Atomic Model, the mite is the Quantized Space of > the Tau Neutrino whose Quantized Energy is modeled by the Vector > Equilibrium. Larger particles are modeled by larger assemblies of mites. > The Vector Equilibrium/Tau Neutrino is one of three subsets that comprise > the Proton model. So if it is true that the proton is composed of three > quarks, then the mite could be said to be a quark. But to categorize all > quarks as simply mites and nothing more appears overly simplistic. > Respectfully, > Steven Lee Combs > Syncorswim, Inc. > .- > See pages 61-2 of 'Cosmography'. Bucky calculates that "the number of unique componentations of each nucleus" = 237,260,436. Each mite is composed of 2 A-Modules and 1 B-Module. Each set of modules can be arranged 2 ways. The size (energy content) of a mite can vary; it's shape is unique. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 17:48:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blaine DAmico Subject: Re: Dymaxion car Comments: cc: pdox4d@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <01HTR6G20T4U8WWWZ0@delphi.com> I don't know if Kirby has the space in his FTP site but he does have my quicktime movie of the Dymaxion car which I would allow to be posted (Assuming that BFI doesn't object). ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:49:53 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Request help. In-Reply-To: <199508081842.OAA25620@portal.dx.net>; from "Steven G. Sheridan" at Aug 8, 95 11:16 am Steven G. Sheridan writes: > > There has been some great posting lately on NET resources. Thank-you > for your effort. I noticed quite a few illustrations of Fuller's ideas > are in .mov file format. Could someone please post the name of a .mov > file viewer and if possible a site it could be accessed and downloaded. > I am running DOS and Windows3.11. I think some of the examples will be > a good introduction to Fuller's ideas for my daughter ( and myself). > Thank-you in advance. > Steve Sheridan > sgsheridan@cport.com > Ideas have consequences! > .- > Check out Kirby Urner's web site: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html Look in the section on authors. Some of them have references to software. I think Kirby has a section on software also. Joe PS: Everyone should explore Kirby's site. It's one of the best on the net regarding Fuller's geometry. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 17:25:33 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: CURRICULUM Bucky's Recommendations for a Design Science Curriculum 1. Synergetics 2. General Systems Theory 3. Theory of Games (von Neumann) 4. Chemistry and Physics 5. Topology, Projective Geometry 6. Cybernetics 7. Communications 8. Meteorology 9. Geology 10. Biology 11. Sciences of Energy 12. Political Geography 13. Ergonomics 14. Production Engineering See: 'Utopia or Oblivion' by RBF (1969) pages 293-9 and 333-4. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 17:27:08 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: AIR THICKNESS Comments: cc: gfriend@igc.apc.org On Mon, 17 Jul 1995 17:32:18 -0800, Gil Friend wrote: >Subject: Bucky's scale model earth >Cc: dbholmes@aol.com >Doug Holmes tells me you might have the answer to this question. >I'm looking for the source on a Buckyism I remember, to the effect that a >12 inch polished steel sphere is rougher, to scale, than the surface of the >earth. Powerful image, except the numbers don't seem to hold when I check >the calculations, using what I can find of actual surface roughness data. >So either I remember the story wrong (entirely possible) or Bucky got his >math wrong (far less likely). >Can you enlighten me? Thank you, >Gil Friend Gil, I think what you are referring to was Bucky's description of how thin the atmosphere of the earth is in comparison to it's size. He talked about how the condensation of our breath on the surface of a metal sphere 1 foot in diameter would be about the same relative thickness as the thickness of our atmosphere to the size of the earth. Don't have a specific reference right now. Maybe someone out there remembers where he gave that example. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 20:36:51 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jim Jaszewski Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet, Ontario, Canada. Subject: Re: 8 years of brain ...! Tagditagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL wrote: : oh i forgot i meant to talk about Karl Marx, does anybody know : how much was his income. in end of 19 century a servent earned : one dollar a week working 12 hours a day may be that has somthing : to do with why Marx have penetrated the destiny of humanity. Sorry, I don't know exactly what Marx made, but it was never enough. Engels basically supported him for years. Marx wrote for various papers and magazines (mostly in the U.S.), but they paid him a pittance and he never got paid on time -- he was actually a frequent customer at the pawnbroker... :< He had a pretty rough time, but it was a conscious choice he made. He could've been a very successful lawyer or businessman... Ciao. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jim Jaszewski WWW homepage: ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ ++++ if you agree copy these 3 sentences in your own sig ++++ ++++ more info: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ++++ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 23:47:48 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Organization: Philadelphia's Complete Internet Provider Subject: Re: Inventions Bill Cmelak (bcmelak@omnifest.uwm.edu) wrote: > Hello everyone, [Deletions] > I have sent to the BFI for literature regarding Bucky and most of what they > send out seems to pertain to his earth related concepts. What I am interested > in is in depth details about the Dymaxion car, the geodesic dome and any of > his other progressive inventions. > Would someone please tell me the titles of some books which cover the areas > that I wish to learn more about. Preferably titles still in print although I > plan to go to the library and search for books as well. I would appreciate > it. Perhaps if I get to know Fuller better on the level I seek, I may > gravitate toward his more lofty endeavors. Check out Fuller's patent on the Dymaxion car and the 4 volume Artifacts of Buckminster Fuller. > Sincerely, > Bill Cmelak -- Christopher J. Fearnley | UNIX SIG Leader at PACS cjf@netaxs.com (finger me!) | (Philadelphia Area Computer Society) cfearnl@pacs.pha.pa.us | Design Science Revolutionary http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | Explorer in Universe "Dare to be Naive" -- Bucky Fuller | Linux Advocate ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 00:20:46 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: ANDREW HERMETZ Organization: Wright State University, Dayton, Ohio 45435 Subject: Origin of the Messiah Complex Over the last couple of weeks, there were a lot of postings reguarding whether or not one could call Bucky a Messianic Figure. I thought it might interest you all to know that I am about to finish Hugh Kenner's Bucky Bio, _Bucky: A Guided Tour of Buckminster Fuller_. I usually don't care for biographys -- they tend to be too dry for my taste -- however, I'd been looking for something new and I liked Kenner's _Geodesic Math_ (errors aside...). So, I thought I'd give it a look. Mr. Kenner's approach to his subject is that of poet/literary critic more than engineer/technical-type. Throughout the book he also postulates several little nuggets of genuine, original thinking and posing some intriging questions. In one particular instance he poses the question: did the "Suicide Attempt at Lake Michigan" incident really occur OR has Bucky just embellished and eggaerated over the years? Hugh responds with a larger question: does it matter? He makes the case that we may never know (and Bucky might not either!) He demonstrates that we all create our own mythic projections of real events: "A man says, 'I fell in love,' as though it had been instantaneous. If he teased what actually happened into its elements, he would talk for hours, to little effect. 'I fell in love' is a mythological statement; it is not 'untrue.'" (page 130) -- Hugh Kenner, _Bucky: A Guided Tour of Buckminster Fuller_, 1973 He goes on to show that when Bucky said "Don't try and make me consistant, I'm learning all the time," while construde as an attempt to avoid being trap later by past remarks, there is actually a logical and honest need to use this statement. Is it not consistant with Bucky's theme of living in an Einsteinian Universe which is always changing and in motion? The only difference appears to be that Bucky simply used this statement instead of correcting himself every time he was mistaken. Many, myself included, would take this at first glance to be some kind of arrogence on the part of the speaker. In light of later works, this may indeed have been an oversight on our part. Afterall, Bucky was just a "normal human being." The next bit concerns Chapter 6, entitled "Dymaxion Messiah", and continues another thread. That of Bucky being taken as a prophet/messiah who is frequently wrong, very ridged w/ "students", and a few other points. It is also mentioned that not only was Fuller disliked by many outside his "sphere of influence," but that over the years there have been more than a few "disenchanted disciples." Much of this is brought into focus in Chapter 9 -- "Dialogue with a Skeptic" -- where Mr. Kenner appears to debate a skeptic (it is not stated whether the person is real or imagined), who brings up some rather interesting questions. While the replies seem to do justice to Bucky's case, the fact still remains that right-or-wrong, there will always be doubters and those shouting him down as a "charletan." I highly recommend the book if for no other reason than this chapter alone (though the rest of the book is still a lively read.) I would also like to point out that this recommendation is not a "Call to Arms for the Faithful," a primer for dissecting the arguements of the "Unbeliever." I agree with those who have said that a full and open accounting of Bucky's work (if not the man himself) is necessary if only to continue to keep our experiences in line with our reality. Blind faith and obedience may be good things to have in religious zealots, but certainly not acceptable qualities in people looking for the Truth in operating (the) Universe. Since your understanding of the Truth can change from minute to minute (from Demon-Winds to Changes-in-Air-Pressure), the ability (and willingness) to examine and question all beliefs is a good thing. Peace, Andy Hermetz s009aeh@discover.wright.edu "I think the surest sign of intelligent life in the Universe is that they haven't tried to contact us." -- Calvin ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 13:56:19 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Origin of the Messiah Complex > Blind faith and obedience may be good things to have in religious >zealots, but certainly not acceptable qualities in people looking for the >Truth in operating (the) Universe. Since your understanding of the Truth >can change from minute to minute (from Demon-Winds to >Changes-in-Air-Pressure), the ability (and willingness) to examine and >question all beliefs is a good thing. > i admit that you are sincer when you are saying the above, what is my evidence : inside i sense what you are saying is true, all one can do is try, since i do not know of any thing which is not barinwash. i can use the same evidence to evaluate Fuller and i know that he is sincer in his urgency. whether everything he says is true or not i have no power to know yet. but it is the best game in town. an intricate investigation of the universe. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 08:26:36 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Crandall Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: Books - Out of print Anyone know where I can purchase a copy of each of Buckminster Fuller's books. Especially Synergetics, and Synergetics II. I have a worn copy of critical path, and the book of his patents, and some biography's Thanks -- - - - - - - - - - - Mark Crandall Fairwest - R&D Department 9508 Carroll Canyon Road, Suite 206 San Diego, CA 92131 Voice 619-693-0576, Fax 619-693-0778 crandall@netcom.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 08:57:59 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "David F. Watkins" Subject: Re: 3-WAY WEAVE In-Reply-To: <199508081704.KAA08904@mail.netcom.com> On Tue, 8 Aug 1995, Joe Moore wrote: > Most manufacturers don't seem to understand the superiority of 3-way over > 2-way weaving. I don't know why! Joe, Wouldn't the difficulty of making a 3-way weave be a significant factor. Two-way weaves have been mechanised for a long time, looms for 2-way weaving are abundantly present in museums and in operation. Is there a ready availability of 3-way looms? Dave Watkins ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 08:48:11 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Books - Out of print In-Reply-To: ; from "Mark Crandall" at Aug 9, 95 8:26 am Mark Crandall writes: > > Anyone know where I can purchase a copy of each of Buckminster Fuller's > books. Especially Synergetics, and Synergetics II. > > I have a worn copy of critical path, and the book of his patents, and some > biography's > > Thanks > -- > - - - - - - - - - - > Mark Crandall > Fairwest - R&D Department > 9508 Carroll Canyon Road, Suite 206 > San Diego, CA 92131 > Voice 619-693-0576, Fax 619-693-0778 > crandall@netcom.com > .- > Quite a few of his books both in & out of print are available from the Buckminster Fuller Institute (bfi@aol.com). See the list under "Books" at the Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute (BFVI): http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 08:55:21 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: 3-WAY WEAVE In-Reply-To: ; from "David F. Watkins" at Aug 9, 95 8:57 am David F. Watkins writes: > > On Tue, 8 Aug 1995, Joe Moore wrote: > > > Most manufacturers don't seem to understand the superiority of 3-way over > > 2-way weaving. I don't know why! > > Joe, > > Wouldn't the difficulty of making a 3-way weave be a significant factor. > Two-way weaves have been mechanised for a long time, looms for 2-way > weaving are abundantly present in museums and in operation. Is there a > ready availability of 3-way looms? > > Dave Watkins > .- > I've never heard of a 3-way loom but I suspect they exist. I've never really researched it. Interesting point; you might be right! Anybody out there have any info on tri-axial weaving? Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:03:42 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: BFVI UPDATE Comments: To: Christopher Rywalt In-Reply-To: <199508091752.NAA19302@westnet.com>; from "Christopher Rywalt" at Aug 9, 95 1:52 pm Christopher Rywalt writes: > > In article <199508042124.OAA20458@mail5.netcom.com> you wrote: > : THE BUCKY FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE > [edited] > : Guinea Pig "B" (from 'Inventions') (R. Buckminster Fuller) > : http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/crywalt/inventions/Bucky.html > [way edited] > > Just thought I'd drop you a line to tell you that my stuff has moved to > http://www.westnet.com/~crywalt and that ``Guinea Pig `B''' is now > at http://www.westnet.com/~crywalt/inventions/inv_000.html > The opening Bucky page can be found hanging off of my new home page. > > Chris. > crywalt@westnet.com > > .- > Thanks for the update, Chris. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 14:33:23 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: NEEDLE TOWER Comments: To: crywalt@westnet.com Chris, "Needle Tower" was designed by Kenneth Snelson in 1968 out of aluminum and stainless steel. It is 60' x 20'4" x 17'5". It is a Tensegrity Tower. It was designed for and is installed in the Hirshhorn Museum and Sculpture Garden, Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC. (See Chris's picture at http://www.westnet.com/~crywalt/photos/photos.html) Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 16:12:34 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bill Cmelak Organization: Omnifest Subject: Re: Inventions > ---------------------------------------- > To: /news/bit/listserv/geodesic/articles > From: cjf@netaxs.com (Chris Fearnley) On: 08/08/95 23:47 > Subject: Re: Inventions > > > Check out Fuller's patent on the Dymaxion car and the 4 volume Artifacts of > Buckminster Fuller. > > > -- Christopher J. Fearnley | UNIX SIG Leader at PACS > cjf@netaxs.com (finger me!) | (Philadelphia Area Computer > Society) cfearnl@pacs.pha.pa.us | Design Science > Revolutionary http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | Explorer in Universe > "Dare to be Naive" -- Bucky Fuller | Linux Advocate > ======================================== Thanks for the tip. Bill ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:25:18 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Dymaxion car Blaine DAmico wrote: >I don't know if Kirby has the space in his FTP site but he does have my >quicktime movie of the Dymaxion car which I would allow to be posted >(Assuming that BFI doesn't object). That's an assumption I'm not in a position to make. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:22:28 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: 8 years of brain ...! >: oh i forgot i meant to talk about Karl Marx, does anybody know >: how much was his income. in end of 19 century a servent earned >: one dollar a week working 12 hours a day may be that has somthing >: to do with why Marx have penetrated the destiny of humanity. > > Sorry, I don't know exactly what Marx made, but it was never >enough. Engels basically supported him for years. Marx wrote for >various papers and magazines (mostly in the U.S.), but they paid him a >pittance and he never got paid on time -- he was actually a frequent >customer at the pawnbroker... :< > > He had a pretty rough time, but it was a conscious choice he >made. He could've been a very successful lawyer or businessman... > > Ciao. > thanks for this humorous reply ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:58:15 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: GENI ARTICLE >> >Dear ED, >> > >> >Due to technical problems I wasn't able to retrieve your e-mail of 7-14-95 >> >until 7-26-95. On 7-28 I spent the whole afternoon attempting to secure a >> >copy of the 7-8 NEW SCIENTIST article about the Global Energy Grid. Two >> >local bookstores had either sold out that issue or sent the unsold copies >> >back. Only the Santa Cruz city-county combined system Main branch carries >> >> >> i can send you the article, but it takes about 10 days.give me the adres >> that is if you do not have it yet. >> .- >> >"Tagdi", > >I'de love to have a copy. I'll send you a paper copy of my 'Basic Bucky' in >return. It has the pics that go with the text. > >Joe i sent the article today, i hope you get it in 8 days > >-- > >JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:09:46 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: 4d poem > folding > stacking > twisting > turning > contracting > is the business > of clouds > polyhedras > water mellon > butterflies > human eyes > pomegranate and coconuts(co.coa.nut) > mountain building > and sea waves ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:39:45 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: geometry hello every one, In an article in trim tab a while ago, copied from fuller, fuller wrote that when it comes to synergetic geometry every one has the same start. so i think no one should be intimidated that the staff is for higher gods of university graduate. I think the list should alwys be neutral, and not having some who are supposedlly know more direct the whole business, thanks for computer democracy. i am sure there are a lot of people who feel the same way. as i do. what i like is that all or more of the fellows of this news group to make mistakes and to really get to the geometry. i think there are 2 kinds of people. one which are constantlly throwing themselves to help such as Joy, Damico, but there are others who are more conserned about how to be first. though i am intrested to get more understanding of the geometry. i love to explain it to other people. i have a lot of experience with people, and i know what some thinking it is a matter of willingness, i think what i am saying is correct. a while ago i was conserned about what would you do if new people asked new material. and i was correct. there is a way to make the ,material easier. it is worth one time if one learns after spending 6 months in the net to learn a lot. instead of this few things here and there. i hope some will give there opinion, it is a subject worth discussing. why the geometry is important: i have a feeling if one can constantlly and for a long time in that geometry think one starts to think in another way. please if you are intrested try to contribute about the geometry. in geodesic group. in the begining any contribution is helpful. till it take off. make mistakes. Americans are good problem solvers. i have a suggestion in how to introduce new person to the geometry in an easy way. for now all they get is refrence. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 08:39:11 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Inventions In-Reply-To: <40b8c2$phl@omnifest.uwm.edu>; from "Bill Cmelak" at Aug 9, 95 4:12 pm Bill Cmelak writes: > > > ---------------------------------------- > > To: /news/bit/listserv/geodesic/articles > > From: cjf@netaxs.com (Chris Fearnley) On: 08/08/95 23:47 > > Subject: Re: Inventions > > > > > > Check out Fuller's patent on the Dymaxion car and the 4 volume Artifacts of > > Buckminster Fuller. > > > > > > -- Christopher J. Fearnley | UNIX SIG Leader at PACS > > cjf@netaxs.com (finger me!) | (Philadelphia Area Computer > > Society) cfearnl@pacs.pha.pa.us | Design Science > > Revolutionary http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | Explorer in Universe > > "Dare to be Naive" -- Bucky Fuller | Linux Advocate > > ======================================== > > > Thanks for the tip. > > Bill > .- > See also chapter 5 on Dymaxion Cars in 'Buckminster Fuller' by Martin Pawley (1990), and chapter 4 on Dymaxion Transport Units in 'The Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller' by R.B.Fuller and Robert Marks (1973) with pics on pages 102-13. Joe PS: And chapter 11 on The Dymaxion Car in 'Buckminster Fuller: At Home in the Universe' by Alden Hatch (1974). -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:12:22 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Christopher Rywalt Organization: WestNet Internet Services Subject: excerpt from ``How Little I Know'' available Just a note to say that I've put up a brief excerpt from Fuller's poem ``How Little I Know'' -- my wife's favorite bit -- at http://www.westnet.com/~crywalt/how_little/hlik_000.html Chris. crywalt@westnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:34:11 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DYMAXION CAR Omni-Medium Transport by Joe S. Moore Revised Aug.10, 1995 For many years R. Buckminster Fuller envisioned a scientifically designed personal transport vehicle to complement his scientifically designed house. It would be able to: go on land, sea, or in the air; be capable of vertical take-off and landing; be relatively small and economical so that the average person could afford to own one and park it in the back yard or on the roof; be able to cruise at about 10,000 feet and fly approximately 300 miles per hour with a range of about 400 miles before refueling; and be able to carry four people and cost no more than a medium priced car. Such a vehicle has been developed! For further information see: "Dymaxion Car" Dec.7, 1937 by R.Buckminster Fuller US Patent #2,101,057 'Ideas and Integrities' 1963 edited by Robert Marks pages 18-20 & 192b 'Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by R. Buckminster Fuller & Robert Marks pages 24-31 & 102-13 'Buckminster Fuller: At Home in the Universe' 1974 by Alden Hatch pages 122-134 'Inventions' 1983 by R.Buckminster Fuller pages 30-39 'Artifacts of R.Buckminster Fuller, Volume I' 1985 edited by James Ward pages 97-190 'Buckminster Fuller' 1990 by Martin Pawley pages 57-84 Moller International 1994 1222 Research Park Drive, Davis, California 95616 USA -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 18:38:00 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY INDEX LIST OF BOOKS BY & WITH R.B. FULLER WHICH DO AND DO NOT HAVE AN INDEX by Joe S. Moore Revised Aug.10, 1995 YEAR T____I____T____L____E 0___F B____O____O____K INDEX 27 4-D ? 40 NEW WORLDS IN ENGINEERING ? 44 LETTERS ABOUT HOUSING: NOVEMBER 1943 TO AUGUST 1944 ? 46 DESIGNING A NEW INDUSTRY: A COMPOSITE OF A SERIES OF BF TALKS,'45-6 ? 54 DYMAXION INDEX: BIBLIOG & PUBLISHED ITEMS RE: DYMAXION & RBF,'27-53 ? 55 ASSEMBLY MANUAL, GEODESIC 55' DIAMETER RIGID RADOME ? 55 AN INTRODUCTION TO THE ENERGETIC-SYNERGETIC GEOMETRY OF R.B FULLER ? 60 ENERGETIC SYNERGETIC GEOMETRY ? 62 UNTITLED EPIC POEM ON THE HISTORY OF INDUSTRIALIZATION NO 63 THE GOVERNOR'S CONFERENCE WITH BUCKMINSTER FULLER ? 63 IDEAS & INTEGRITIES YES 63 WORLD DESIGN SCIENCE DECADE 65-75: INVENTORY OF WORLD RESOURCES, HUMAN TRENDS, & NEEDS, PHASE 1, DOC 1 NO 63 WORLD DESIGN SCIENCE DECADE 65-75: THE DESIGN INITIATIVE, PHASE I, DOC 2 NO 64 POSSIBILITY OF GOOD LIFE FOR ANY MAN DEPENDS ON REALIZING IT FOR ALL MEN ? 65 WORLD DESIGN SCIENCE DECADE 65-75: COMPREHENSIVE THINKING: PHASE 1, DOC 3 NO 67 WORLD DESIGN SCIENCE DECADE 65-75: COMPREHENSIVE DESIGN STRATEGY, PHASE 2, DOC 5 NO 68 STUDY OF A PROTOTYPE FLOATING COMMUNITY NO 68 WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO ? 69 IDEAS AND INTEGRITIES, A SPONTANEOUS AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL DISCLOSURE YES 69 WORLD GAME REPORT: SUMMARY OF PROJECT LED BY FULLER, SCHLOSSBERG, AND GILDESGAME ? 69 PLANETARY PLANNING NO 69 UTOPIA OR OBLIVION: THE PROSPECTS FOR HUMANITY NO 70 I SEEM TO BE A VERB NO 70 APPROACHING THE BENIGN ENVIRONMENT NO 70 OPERATING MANUAL FOR SPACESHIP EARTH YES 71 NO MORE SECONDHAND GOD AND OTHER WRITINGS NO 71 NINE CHAINS TO THE MOON NO 71 EDUCATION AUTOMATION: FREEING THE SCHOLAR TO RETURN TO HIS STUDIES NO 71 INVENTORY OF WORLD RESOURCES, HUMAN TRENDS & NEEDS: DOC 1, WORLD GAME NO 72 4D TIMELOCK NO 72 BUCKMINSTER FULLER TO CHILDREN OF EARTH ? 72 OLD MAN RIVER: AN ENVIRONMENTAL DOMED CITY; A CONCEPT DESIGN FOR EAST ST.LOUIS, ILLINOIS ? 72 THE BUCKMINSTER FULLER READER ? 73 INTUITION NO 73 THE DYMAXION WORLD OF R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER YES 73 EARTH, INC. NO 74 GRAND STRATEGY WORLD PROBLEM SOLVING: DEMONSTRATED TECHNICAL, ECONOMIC EFFICACY OF INDIVIDUAL INITIATIVE IN THE 20TH CENTURY ? 75 SYNERGETICS: EXPLORATIONS IN THE GEOMETRY OF THINKING NO* 76 AND IT CAME TO PASS--NOT TO STAY NO 77 POUND, SYNERGY, AND THE GREAT DESIGN ? 78 BASIC BIOGRAPHY NO 79 SYNERGETICS FOLIO: 10 POSTERS WITH INTRODUCTION BY R. B. FULLER NO 79 SYNERGETICS II: FURTHER EXPLORATIONS IN THE GEOMETRY OF THINKING YES 81 CRITICAL PATH YES 81 BUCKMINSTER FULLER SKETCHBOOK NO 82 TETRASCROLL: GOLDILOCKS AND THE THREE BEARS: A COSMIC FAIRY TALE NO 83 GRUNCH OF GIANTS: GROSS UNIVERSAL CASH HEIST YES 83 HUMANS IN UNIVERSE YES 83 INVENTIONS: THE PATENTED WORKS OF R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER NO 84 FULLER'S EARTH: A DAY WITH BUCKY AND THE KIDS YES 85 THE ARTIFACTS OF R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER, VOL 1: DYMAXION EXPERIMENT NO 85 THE ARTIFACTS OF R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER, VOL 2: DYMAXION DEPLOYMENT NO 85 THE ARTIFACTS OF R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER, VOL 3: GEODESIC REVOLUTION 1 NO 85 THE ARTIFACTS OF R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER, VOL 4: GEODESIC REVOLUTION 2 NO 87 SYNERGETICS DICTIONARY: THE MIND OF R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER, VOL 1 NO 87 SYNERGETICS DICTIONARY: THE MIND OF R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER, VOL 2 NO 87 SYNERGETICS DICTIONARY: THE MIND OF R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER, VOL 3 NO 87 SYNERGETICS DICTIONARY: THE MIND OF R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER, VOL 4 NO 91 COSMOGRAPHY: A POSTHUMOUS SCENARIO FOR THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY YES -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 00:17:07 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Nelson Subject: Re: NEEDLE TOWER >Chris, > >"Needle Tower" was designed by Kenneth Snelson in 1968 out of aluminum and >stainless steel. It is 60' x 20'4" x 17'5". It is a Tensegrity Tower. >It was designed for and is installed in the Hirshhorn Museum and Sculpture >Garden, Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC. > And if you stand in the middle and look up it makes a five pointed star! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 10:28:21 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Paul R. Kosuth" Subject: tensegrity Hello-- i just wanted to relate some information and discoveries that a student of mine and I have made concerning tensegrity structures. We started out building the regular tet, octa and icosa. When playing around with these we placed longer struts through the verticies to see the symmetries of the structure. This was all pretty normal stuff for my students we build these structures almost continually to explore their properties. With the icosahedron we saw that when we placed the larger struts in such a way that they "intersected" in the middle that their ends formed a larger icosa. This was not a surprise since this is what is done to make globes, projections, etc.To help us visualize this better we tied up the ends of the icosa with string. Turning our attention to the tetrahedron, we ran ran larger struts along side of the original 6 smaller struts (our small struts were 2.5 inch toothpick, larger struts 9 inch bamboo skewers, connectors were plastic rings made from that plastic plumbing tube). The ends of the larger struts did not form a larger tet but rather a compilation of triangles and rectangles. 4 small triangles, 4 larger triangles and 6 rectangles. We connected them up with string to see them better. As we did this, the structure seemed to become stronger and taunter so we took out the original smaller toothpick struts. The struc then expanded a bit and got even more rigid. The ring connectors were still in place ringing 3 long struts each. With a little bit of anxiety we cut the plastic rings and the structure kept its shape, in fact even stronger. A tensegrity structure ! A 14 faced, 25 edged, 12 verticied structure ( if I count right). All the edges are of string, tied and puttied at the ends, 6 long struts running through the structure (bracing and forming a small tet at the center) I've checked synergertics I and found some similar stuff but the struts seem to be placed on the outside rather than diagonal through the structure. We did the same thing with an octahedron ( extend the edges, connect with string) Again a stable structure with 6 squares and 8 hexagons as faces. There are 12 struts going through the structure (diagonal) and you can also see the outline of the original octa. I've -not- seen this in a quick glance through the Fuller refs that I have. We also eventually tightened up the stings of the lage icosa,dismantled the smaller icosa and watched the 6 diabonal structs hold the string icosa togethers. tesion / compression. Maybe this is old hat to many of you, but this is the first time I've built a Tensegrity structure. Also I think that our extending out from original smaller structs may be a novel way to approach the problem. I've read instructions on how to make the, but they seemed too elaborate. Maybe now is the time for me to revisit them .I know that without the actual models sitting on your desk this may be hard to envision. But there they sit, no connections except the tension of the strings. any comments? I'm excited !! Paul Kosuth Brehm Preparatory school Carbondale, Il prkosuth@prairienet.org ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 09:45:17 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Organization: Philadelphia's Complete Internet Provider Subject: Re: Examples of Principles Dr. Rick Kirschner (DrRickRnR@EWORLD.COM) wrote: > Secondly, I have a request for any of you caring to help. I would like a > few examples from nature, and then from economics, of the following > principles... > Accelerating Acceleration > Ephemeralization > Synergy > Spontaneous Cooperation > Individual Initiative > Mistake Mystique The Linux operating system demonstrates all these virtues. It is from Nature (that is the Nature of the Internet and the Nature of Human spirit). And from economics - it's Free! Linus Torvalds' efforts in creating a completely free computing environment are in my mind an esteemed expression of Individual Initiative. And by releasing patches (fixes) to his operating system (several per week!) we see Mistake Mystique in action. And we also see demonstrated the power of Mistake Mystique - Torvalds' operating system, is more stable and powerful than most of what Big Money and Big Industry have managed to put together. How and Why? Through the Spontaneous Cooperation of dozens of developers on the Internet. Ephemeralization: Because Linux is so efficient one can do more work with less and less RAM and Disk space. And it's getting better in an Accelerating Acceleration. Check out http://www.pht.com/linux-int In fact, before I choose to become a Linux guru, I was something of a Fuller guru :) Someday the twain may meet... -- Christopher J. Fearnley | UNIX SIG Leader at PACS cjf@netaxs.com (finger me!) | (Philadelphia Area Computer Society) cfearnl@pacs.pha.pa.us | Design Science Revolutionary http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | Explorer in Universe "Dare to be Naive" -- Bucky Fuller | Linux Advocate ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:22:00 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marcia Blackburn Bertland Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Subject: Re: Books - Out of print In-Reply-To: Mark - I saw a copy of Synergetics at my local Barnes & Noble last week. I believe MacMillan publishes it, so it should be easy to order. I've also gotten Cosmography, Sieden's book (BF's Universe) and Pawley's biography in the last couple of years at Barnes & Noble and at various museum book shops (The Museum of Modern Art book shop in New York always has a supply of Bucky books). As for the out-of-print volumes, hunt for them at used book stores, I've found nine of Fuller's books that way. Happy hunting! - Marcia Marcia Blackburn bd81064@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, Mark Crandall wrote: > Anyone know where I can purchase a copy of each of Buckminster Fuller's > books. Especially Synergetics, and Synergetics II. > > I have a worn copy of critical path, and the book of his patents, and some > biography's > > Thanks > -- > - - - - - - - - - - > Mark Crandall > Fairwest - R&D Department > 9508 Carroll Canyon Road, Suite 206 > San Diego, CA 92131 > Voice 619-693-0576, Fax 619-693-0778 > crandall@netcom.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 22:15:26 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ASPENSION ASPENSION BUILDINGS by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-11-95 In 1964 R. Buckminster Fuller patented a method of designing buildings using, in effect, reverse suspension. Instead of hanging down, the components hang up! This method cuts weight and costs and makes the structure earthquake resistant. For further information see: "Richard Buckminster Fuller", Architectural Design (magazine) edited by John Mchale Jul 1, 1961 page 313 'Ideas and Integrities' 1963 by R. Buckminster Fuller page 95 "Aspension" Jul 7, 1964 by R. Buckminster Fuller U.S.Patent 3,139,957 'Geodesics' 1968 by Edward Popko figures # 53-4 'The Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by R. Buckminster Fuller & Robert Marks illustrations 262-63 'The Mind's Eye of Buckminster Fuller' 1974 by Donald W. Robertson pages 69-75 'Inventions' 1983 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 201-13 "Cable Domes", Popular Science (magazine) 11-1-87 by John Free pages 88-89 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 22:14:09 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: 60 DEG FRAMEWORK A SIXTY DEGREE COORDINATE SYSTEM by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-11-95 +-------------------+ / \\__ __// \ / \ \__ __/ / \ / \ \_ _/ / \ / \ + / \ / \ /|\ / \ / \ / | \ / \ / / | \ \ / / \ | / \ \ / / \|/ \ \ +-------------/-----+-----\-------------+ \\__ / __// \\__ \ __// \ \__ /__/ / \ \__\ __/ / \ \ // / \ \\ / / \ +-------------------+ / \ | / \ | / \ | / \ | / \ | / \ | / \ | / \ | / \|/ \|/ +-------------------+ R. Buckminster Fuller discovered that nature is using a sixty degree coordinate system (the tetrahedron), not ninety degrees (the cube)! If humanity were to convert to nature's system, we would not need to use all kinds of irrational constants such as pi, etc. All our measurements and calculations would be simplified and come out in nice round numbers (tetrahedional units). For further information see: 'Utopia or Oblivion' 1969 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 80-105 'The Dymaxion World of R. Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by Robert Marks & R. Buckminster Fuller pp.38-49, 142-7 'Synergetics' 1975 by R. Buckminster Fuller section 410.00 'Buckminster Fuller: An Autobiographical Monologue/ Scenario' edited by Robert Snyder 1980 pages 114-24. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 10:13:03 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: leapfrog program (fwd) Gerald de Jong writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Sun Aug 13 05:24:40 1995 > From: Gerald de Jong > Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 14:23:30 +0100 > Message-Id: > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: leapfrog program > Organization: Tacit Software > X-Mailer: Helldiver 1.07 (Waffle 1.65) > Lines: 227 > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > LEAPFROG.C > by gerald de jong > > having become quite fascinated by the leapfrog action (a tetrahedron > plunging a vertex through its opposite triangle), i built a little > program for generating a few nice 3dv images. > > with leapfrog.c you can see for the first time what it would be like > if the tetrahedron inside-outing action was allowed to fill space. > as you can imagine, the original tetrahedron is clearly defined, but > many of the 'vertexes' further away from it are composites of all > the 'leapfrog paths' from the original to that point, and therefore > rather fuzzy. those of you interested in the IVM should have a > good look at this. > > you can also let the leapfrog action go wild, generating a random > leapfrog tetrahelix snake starting from a basic tetrahedron and > hobbling through space. > > i hope those of you who are interested are able to use this thing > and enjoy it. please let me know if you do! if somebody actually > *does* make use of it and has any suggestions, i'll be listening. > > // ----------------------------------------- > // LEAPFROG.C - exploring 'tetrahelix space' > // using the 3DV viewer > // by Gerald de Jong > // ----------------------------------------- > #include > #include > #include > #include > > #define MAX_DEPTH 5 > #define MAX_VERTS 1000 > #define MAX_TETS MAX_VERTS-3 > > typedef struct { > double x,y,z; > } t_vertex; > > typedef struct { > int v[4]; > int iColor; > } t_tetrahedron; > > t_vertex Dot[MAX_VERTS]; > int iNumDots = 0; > t_tetrahedron Tet[MAX_TETS]; > int iNumTets = 0; > > int iAddDot(double x, double y, double z) > { > if (iNumDots == MAX_VERTS) { > fprintf(stderr,"Overrun!\n"); > exit(1); > } > Dot[iNumDots].x = x; > Dot[iNumDots].y = y; > Dot[iNumDots].z = z; > return(iNumDots++); > } > > int iAddTet(int d1, int d2, int d3, int d4) > { > Tet[iNumTets].v[0] = d1; > Tet[iNumTets].v[1] = d2; > Tet[iNumTets].v[2] = d3; > Tet[iNumTets].v[3] = d4; > return(iNumTets++); > } > > int iPlunge(int iTetNum, int iDotNum, int iColor) > { > t_vertex NewDot; > int iWalkTet, iWalkNew; > > NewDot.x = NewDot.y = NewDot.z = 0.0; > for (iWalkTet = 0; iWalkTet < 4; iWalkTet++) { > if (iWalkTet != iDotNum) { > NewDot.x += Dot[Tet[iTetNum].v[iWalkTet]-1].x; > NewDot.y += Dot[Tet[iTetNum].v[iWalkTet]-1].y; > NewDot.z += Dot[Tet[iTetNum].v[iWalkTet]-1].z; > } > } > NewDot.x /= 3.0; NewDot.y /= 3.0; NewDot.z /= 3.0; > NewDot.x += (NewDot.x - Dot[Tet[iTetNum].v[iDotNum]-1].x); > NewDot.y += (NewDot.y - Dot[Tet[iTetNum].v[iDotNum]-1].y); > NewDot.z += (NewDot.z - Dot[Tet[iTetNum].v[iDotNum]-1].z); > iWalkNew = 0; > Tet[iNumTets].v[iWalkNew++] = iNumDots+1; > for (iWalkTet = 0; iWalkTet < 4; iWalkTet++) { > if (iWalkTet != iDotNum) { > Tet[iNumTets].v[iWalkNew++] = Tet[iTetNum].v[iWalkTet]; > } > } > Tet[iNumTets].iColor = iColor; > iAddDot(NewDot.x,NewDot.y,NewDot.z); > return(iNumTets++); > } > > void vPrintIt(void) > { > int iWalk, iWalkTet; > > printf("%d\n",iNumDots); > for (iWalk=0; iWalk printf("%10.10lf %10.10lf %10.10lf\n", > Dot[iWalk].x,Dot[iWalk].y,Dot[iWalk].z); > } > printf("%d\n",iNumTets*6+2); > printf("1 0 2 15 3 15 4 15\n"); > printf("2 0 4 15 1 15 3 15\n"); > for (iWalk=1; iWalk for (iWalkTet=1; iWalkTet < 4; iWalkTet++) { > printf("%d 0 %d %d\n",Tet[iWalk].v[0], > Tet[iWalk].v[iWalkTet], > Tet[iWalk].iColor); > } > } > } > > int iRecurse(int iLevel, int iTetNum, int iDotNum, int iColor) > { > int iNewTet; > > iNewTet = iPlunge(iTetNum,iDotNum, iColor); > if (--iLevel == 0) { > return(0); > } > iRecurse(iLevel,iNewTet,1,iColor); > iRecurse(iLevel,iNewTet,2,iColor); > iRecurse(iLevel,iNewTet,3,iColor); > return(1); > } > > void vFillSpace(int iDepth, int fAllDir) > { > iRecurse(iDepth,0,0,3); > if (fAllDir) { > iRecurse(iDepth,0,1,4); > iRecurse(iDepth,0,2,5); > iRecurse(iDepth,0,3,7); > } > } > > void vRandomGrow(int iTotalTets) > { > int iRandDot, iNewTet = 0; > > randomize(); > while (iTotalTets--) { > iRandDot = random(3)+1; > iNewTet = iPlunge(iNewTet, iRandDot, 14); > } > } > > int main(int nargs, char *argv[]) > { > int iNum; > char cType; > > cType = argv[1][0]; > iNum = atoi(argv[1]+1); > if (iNum < 1) { > cType = ' '; > } > > switch (cType) { > case 'F': > if (iNum > 5) { > nargs = 1; > } > break; > case 'O': > if (iNum > 6) { > nargs = 1; > } > break; > case 'R': > break; > default: > nargs = 1; > } > > if (nargs != 2) { > printf("Usage: LEAPFROG [ Fd | Od | Rt ]\n\n"); > printf(" Fd = FillSpace to recursion depth d (max 5)\n"); > printf(" Od = FillSpace One-direction to recursion depth d (max 6)\n"); > printf(" Rt = Randomly grow structure of t tetrahedrons\n"); > return(0); > } > > > // start with a tetrahedron > iAddDot(0.0,0.0,0.0); > iAddDot(1.0,0.0,1.0); > iAddDot(1.0,1.0,0.0); > iAddDot(0.0,1.0,1.0); > iAddTet(1,2,3,4); > > switch (cType) { > case 'F': > vFillSpace(iNum,1); > break; > case 'O': > vFillSpace(iNum,0); > break; > case 'R': > vRandomGrow(iNum); > break; > default: > nargs = 1; > } > > vPrintIt(); > > return(0); > } > > > -- > :: gerald_de_jong/rotterdam, http://www.xs4all.nl/~gdj > > . > : . <-- this tiny tetrahedron commemorating the > centennial of the birth of R. Buckminster Fuller > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 10:15:15 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BIODOMES HI-RISE FOOD FACTORIES by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-11-95 R. Buckminster Fuller envisioned huge, multi-story, geodesic dome, automated food factories. For more information see: 'Geodesics' 1968 by Edward Popko figures 73-6 'Utopia or Oblivion' 1969 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 293-94 'The Dymaxion World of R.Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by R. Buckminster Fuller & Robert Marks pages 187-9 'Buckminster Fuller: An Autobiographical Monologue/Scenario' edited by Robert Snyder 1980 page 204 'Critical Path' 1981 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 327-29 "Biodome" Jun 11, 1982 by the Windstar Foundation, Snowmass, Colorado, USA 6 pages 'The Artifacts of R. Buckminster Fuller, Volume 3' edited by James Ward 1985 pages 72-75 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 10:16:03 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BREAKWATER FLOATING BREAKWATER/GENERATOR by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-11-95 In 1979 R. Buckminster Fuller patented an economical breakwater that not only floated, but also could be adapted to generate significant amounts of electricity. A passing wave would lift one end of a triangular tube, thereby forcing the water inside to flow through a generator at the other end. This invention would allow the development of harbors at many locations, especially the numerous islands around the world that are uninhabited because they have no harbor and cheap source of energy. It would also be a significant additional source of clean, renewable energy. For more info see: "Floating Breakwater" Jan 30,1979 by R. Buckminster Fuller U.S.Patent #4,136,994 'Inventions' 1983 by R. Buckminster Fuller Pages 269-73 & 281-85 'The Artifacts of R. Buckminster Fuller, Volume IV' edited by James Ward 1985 Pages 295-96 & 363-65 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 00:05:23 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: BREAKWATER Tide harvesting generator gizmo close to finished in Scotland. A prototype. Not Fuller's design exactly (see also Nodding Ducks in HoPing) but same idea. If the prototype works well, we can expect more such gizmos. Kirby Joe Moore wrote: > FLOATING BREAKWATER/GENERATOR > by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-11-95 >In 1979 R. Buckminster Fuller patented an economical breakwater that not only >floated, but also could be adapted to generate significant amounts of >electricity. ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 00:09:54 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: BIODOMES Joe Moore wrote: > HI-RISE FOOD FACTORIES > by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-11-95 >R. Buckminster Fuller envisioned huge, multi-story, geodesic dome, automated >food factories. For more information see: Existing biodome at EPCOT prototypes "dirtless" agriculture. Veggie roots get nutrients sprayed directly on dangling roots, as per instructions from a controlling computer. Bucky is not credited for the biodome, which is a geodesic, nor for other EPCOT exhibits which show of some of his ideas. For a note on Disney's failure to credit Bucky, see Kiyoshi's note at my web site: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/docs/epnote1.html (used with permission). Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 00:15:58 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: leapfrog program (fwd) For more on inside-outing tetrahedron, and 3dv images/software (DOS only), you may want to visit the following web pages: Software: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/sw_gall.html Synergetics movies and pictures: ftp://ftp.newciv.org/pub/Synergetic_Geometry/ Kirby >Joe Moore wrote: >> >> LEAPFROG.C >> by gerald de jong >> >> having become quite fascinated by the leapfrog action (a tetrahedron >> plunging a vertex through its opposite triangle), i built a little >> program for generating a few nice 3dv images. ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 00:27:36 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Examples of Principles >In fact, before I choose to become a Linux guru, I was something of a >Fuller guru :) Someday the twain may meet... >-- >Christopher J. Fearnley Sounds like they've met already. LINUX aims for omnieconomical cell-silicon interface (fancy for well-conceived operating system that gives humans powerful control over electronics) and in so doing raises living standards. Were it not for LINUX, we wouldn't have Joachim's excellent NewCiv web site, whereon are contained all those cool Richard Hawkins synergetics QuickTime videos! Kirby A Fuller guru who, when he can spare a 386+ for fun 'n games, will become a LINUX devotee and sit at the feet of Chris Fearnley hoping for time-saving tidbits. ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 00:32:18 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Synergetics: A Four-Dimensional Object! >Aprioripa@aol.com writes (edited by KU): >> Have any of you wise ones written some text which helps us who were raised in >> cartesian coordinates to understand the converge-diverge dimensionality >> concept (I hope)? >> >> Thanks, >> Patrick >> .- >> >Don't know about the "wise one" part, but here goes: Dimension = unique plane. >Therefore, a tetrahedron has 4 "dimensions". >An icosahedron has 10... >Joe Not quite the way I'd interpret Bucky's line on 4D Joe. Prefrequency Icosa is as 4D as the tetrahedron. Here's my recent essay on the subject, reprinted from SYNERGETICS-L: RE: RBF's CONCEPT OF DIMENSION RBF's concept of dimension isn't that hard to follow IMO: We can't imagine objects sans their being contained in space, e.g. if you think of a point, you're framing it in an imaginary space, same with line & plane, ergo space is a priori to these objects. Considering space, we seek to reduce it to its simplest expression: for Fuller this was the tetrahedron, the volume with the fewest topological features (counting edges, vertices, windows). Spheres are complex assemblages of these features, not primitive simples -- don't exist at all per se in synergetics since Fuller defines away impermeable surfaces, preferring a grainular, web-like reality (which seems more consistent with what our instruments are telling us). The Cartesian system consists of 6 rays from the origin. True, they come in polar pairs, so we can say 3 mutually orthogonal lines. The tetrahedon defines a center and 4 radii thru its vertices, each defining an equal sector of space (that's 4 arrows versus the Cartesian 6). You might say the cube defines 3D with only 3 planes but, again, we're talking space=container and 3 planes don't close the space, don't define the container. Space comes first THEN the 3 planes (they don't define it). So you've got to have that 4th plane to enclose volume, meaning we're back to the tetrahedron and 4D (minimum 4 planes) again. You might say 3 coords are sufficient to describe any point in space, but Cantor has shown that the # of coords cannot be used to define the # of dimensions, as we do in layman's language, because he proved there are ways to label spatial points using other coord schemas with fewer or more coords. So the # of coords isn't an argument for 3D even in contemporary higher math. Fuller throws away 0D, 1D, 2D as begging the existence of a surrounding space. Once you don't have 0,1,2... the compulsion to consider volume 3 is less strong. The tetrahedron's properties would suggest 4 more strongly than 3. I think Fuller polemicizes against 3D long enough to loosen its grip on our minds, then, that job done, starts to phase out the concept of "dimensions" altogether, as rather unsuited to his needs -- gets more into "powers" and "degrees of freedom" instead. Kirby I'll next add a post to this thread consisting of relevant quotes from Fuller's writings... ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 00:33:28 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Synergetics: A Four-Dimensional Object! >From Kirby... More on dimension: To clarify Fuller's views, in support of our discussion of 4Dness etc., I'm uploading a few key paragraphs... 527.702 Geometers and "schooled" people speak of length, breadth, and height as constituting a hierarchy of three independent dimensional states -- "one-dimensional," "two-dimensional," and "three-dimensional" -- which can be conjoined like building blocks. But length, breadth, and height simply do not exist independently of one another... 527.706 Infinity is only a consequence of subdividing finity. Because synergetics has conceptuality independent of size, it permits -- indeed, requires -- systemic conceptuality before the subdividing commences. There is no a priori size.... Subdivision may be considered as potentially limitless, provided infinite time. But time is always a special case limited characteristic of special case time-size systems. Time is not generalizable. [KU: I link our threads vis-a-vis fractals and infinitely continued irrational numbers, e.g. pi, through the above] 527.711 People think of a point as the most primitive thing with which to initiate geometrical conceptioning. A point is a microevent of minutiae too meager, they say, to be dignified with dimensionality: Ergo, they assume a point to be only an "imaginary fix." But speaking in the experiential language of science, whatever is optically point-to-able is a substance, and every substance has insidedness and outsideness -- ergo, is systemic: Ergo, all point-to-ables can never be less than the minimum system: the tetrahedron. [KU: thread vis-a-vis zerovolume (sizeless) tetrahedron links to the above] 1033.611 Dimension begins at four. Four-dimensionality is primitive and exclusively within the primitive systems' relative topological abundances and relative interangular proportionment. Four-dimensionality is eternal, generalized, sizeless, unfrequenced. 1033.612 If the system is frequenced, it is at minimum lineraly five-dimensional, surfacewise six-dimensional and volumetrically seven-dimensional. Size is special case, temporal, terminal, and more than four-dimensional. ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 22:16:18 -0400 Reply-To: PHotch Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: PHotch Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Books - Out of print Synergetics II is out of print. The BFI will offers to send photocopies of OOP books if there are enough requests. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 08:22:40 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BIRTHRATE ENERGY VS POPULATION by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-11-95 R. Buckminster Fuller noticed while reviewing available global statistics that as an area's per capita energy consumption increased, the average birth rate for that area decreased! This fact has held true for every country of the world as it went through the process of industrialization. As the world's energy per capita goes up, the world's birth rate will go down. See: 'Inventory of World Resources, Human Trends & Needs: Doc 1-The World Game' by R. Buckminster Fuller 1971 pages 157-67 'Earth, Inc.' 1973 by R. Buckminster Fuller page 168 'Energy, Earth and Everyone' 1975 by Medard Gabel page 120 'Ho-Ping: Food For Everyone' 1979 by Medard Gabel page 230 'Critical Path' 1981 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 206-07 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 08:23:23 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: CITYDOME DOME-ENCLOSED CITIES by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-11-95 Dome-enclosed cities use about 90 percent less energy to heat and cool than exposed cities because a dome has less surface exposed to the elements. See: "Why Not Roofs Over Our Cities?", Think (magazine) by R. Buckminster Fuller Jan-Feb 1968 pages 8-11 'Utopia or Oblivion' 1969 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 353-54 "The Age of the Dome", Build International (magazine) by R. Buckminster Fuller Jul-Aug 1969 pages _?_-_(9) '50 Years of the Design Science Revolution and the World Game' by R. Buckminster Fuller 1969 pages 104-9 'The Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by R. Buckminster Fuller & Robert Marks pages 169 & 234 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:14:22 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: WINDPOWER STATUS WIND POWER STATUS There is an excellent article in the July 1995 issue of _Popular Science_ (magazine) on pages 66-72 & 85 entitled "The Forecast for Wind Power" by Dawn Stover. Because of various technical advances, the cost of generating electricity from the wind is coming down, while the cost of fossil fuels is rising. The AVERAGE cost/kilowatt-hour for windmills now equals the cost of oil. The LOWEST cost/kilowatt-hour for wind now equals gas. Coal is still slightly cheaper. 10 years from now it is forecast that oil and gas will both be more expensive than the highest-cost wind, and the lowest-cost wind will match the cost of coal. The article talks primarily about the situation in the USA. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:00:35 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Synergetics: A Four-Dimensional Object! >>From Kirby... > >More on dimension: > >To clarify Fuller's views, in support of our discussion of >4Dness etc., I'm uploading a few key paragraphs... > >527.702 Geometers and "schooled" people speak of length, >breadth, and height as constituting a hierarchy of >three independent dimensional states -- "one-dimensional," >"two-dimensional," and "three-dimensional" -- which can be >conjoined like building blocks. But length, breadth, and >height simply do not exist independently of one another... > >527.706 Infinity is only a consequence of subdividing >finity. Somthing run through my head last night, i think that if you are mathematician or a scientest you are close to the ideas and axims of mathematics since you are working with them constantly. For normal people who left school sometime ago these ideas are in the dark celler of the subconscousness so they rise not clearlly defined and as if they are not of theoritical criticality. So this may sound as nonsense i try to set it in writting when one hear a line and a point or infinity they are concept of familiarity and one tend to accept them as if they are real, it is quite problematic to question such basics, some of us taking the position of the tetra to see if we can theoritically move into this other and falisfy the axims of the Greeks, but it is not as lucid as the old concept perhaps becuse we have grown out with them. Perhaps one need to study the history of mathematics (geometry) to see clearly the foundation of these basics. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 08:23:26 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: CLOUDCITY HUGE FLOATING SKY CITIES by Joe S. Moore Revised 8-11-95 Fuller calculated that as geodesic tensegrity domes got larger than one half mile in diameter they would be able to float in the sky like clouds! Because the air inside the dome would be warmer and therefore lighter than the air outside, the whole dome would float like a hot air balloon! See: 'Utopia or Oblivion' 1969 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 356-7 'The Dymaxion World of R. Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by R. Buckminster Fuller & Robert Marks page 235 "Fuller's Symphony of Triangles May One Day Float 19 Miles Above Earth" by Bruce Dallas, Monterey Peninsula Herald (newspaper) 5-6-79 page _?_(1) "Lighter Than Air", Construction Specifier (magazine) 1-1-80 by E. C. Okress, C. C. Von Stetten, & R. K. Soberman pages_?(10) 'Critical Path' 1981 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 336-7 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 08:24:45 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ULTRAMICRO COMPUTER R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER'S ULTRA-MICRO COMPUTER: PARALLEL CPU'S SURROUNDED BY DISTRIBUTED MEMORY MODULES by Joe S. 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Buckminster Fuller proposed a design for the ultimate (smallest & fastest) micro computer. A low voltage ac carrier of a given frequency (light?) fed to the central atom (radio transmitter antenna) of a cluster of identical atoms (diamond?) will generate a spherical wave of energy which will travel outward until it resonates with the layer of atoms corresponding to the input frequency. A modulating frequency may then be tuned to individual sets of atoms in that layer. Variations of the very low ac current will permit addressing four different sets of electrons per atom. Variations of voltage would represent zeros & ones. The same procedure applied to the poles of that cluster of atoms would extract any stored energy (information). The number of atoms per shell may be calculated by using the formula: n = 10 (frequency squared) + 2. A flattened-out (unfolded) vector equilibrium or regular tetrahedron may be used to map each shell (layer) of atoms. For further information see: 'Synergetics' (1975) by R.B.Fuller secs.427.00, 450-52.00, 1032.00 & p.807 'Synergetics 2'(1979) by R.B.Fuller secs.466.00, 1033.00, 1130.00 & plate 11 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:58:23 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Alessandra Subject: Peace Strategy Game ADI -- Advanced Strategy Game -- "The Art of Peace" (see rules below) MUCH IMPROVED - new Freeware v.1.8 now uploaded. ADI was developed with the hope that the vast amount of thought and time spent on competitive games (war strategy, etc.) could be spent on an equally challenging art of peace strategy game. "ADI may be one of the most advanced strategy games ever created -- with the simplest rules! ADI includes all of the strategic adventure of GO and Chess as well as the philosophy of the most ancient Sanskrit Tibetan culture. ADI uses the same board and stones as GO. This is a computer version of the advanced strategy game. For the Apple Macintosh." ADI v.1.8 is available in the Macintosh Entertainment forums on Compuserve and America OnLine. Anyone with the means is welcome to put it into an FTP site. FOR ALL OF US WITH SYNERGETICS INCLINATION I AM WORKING ON A VERSION THAT USES A TRIANGULAR BOARD/MATRIX. Any thoughts/suggestions on this would be most appreciated P. Alessandra email: aprioripa@aol.com Published by A.Priori, 6524 San Felipe #323, Houston, TX 77057, USA. Compuserve: 72203,3461. America OnLine: aprioripa. Email: aprioripa@aol.com Introduction "Opponents confront us continually, but actually there is no opponent there. Enter deeply into an attack and neutralize it as you draw that misdirected force into your own sphere." "The real Art of Peace is not to sacrifice a single one of your warriors to defeat an enemy. Vanquish your foes by always keeping yourself in a safe and unassailable position; then no one will suffer any losses. The Way of a Warrior, the Art of Politics, is to stop trouble before it starts. It consists in defeating your adversaries spiritually by making them realize the folly of their actions. The Way of a Warrior is to establish harmony." The Art of Peace, 99, 103. The conceptual rules of ADI can be stated as follows: get as many groups of stones on the board as possible (reasonable limit on group size), each group must have a free space next to it, you can have unforeseen events through any random process (optional), keep placing stones until placements would create groups larger than the agreed to size, score by counting the number of groups and subtracting a difference between the totals of the stones of each style. The detailed manifestations of these rules may vary of course. ADI uses the same board and stones as GO which can be purchased through most game stores. Here is a version of the rules: 0) The goal is to place as many groups of stones of each style as possible on the board and to keep the number of stones of each style as even as possible. 1) Each group of stones must have at least one adjacent free node (called a liberty) in order to remain on the board. 2) Each partner must keep placing stones until the stone to be placed would have no liberties or the stone to be placed would create an array (i.e., a group of connected stones) larger than the maximum size required for the board (usually determined by dividing the size of the side of the board by 3 and rounding upward [but could be any reasonable number] -- this is called the quantum number). When a partner is not required to place a stone then the partner passes. When all partners have passed then the game is ended. 3) Count up the number of groups of stones on the board -- this is the integrity of the cycle. Take the difference of the total number of stones of each style and divide by the quantum number -- this is the balance. Subtract the balance from the integrity and you have the harmony of the cycle. Combine the concepts of The Art of Peace by Morihei Ueshiba and The Art of War by Sun Tzu and you'll have the ADI style. In fact one experimental variant of ADI is to have one partner basically play GO while the other plays ADI and in the end it looks as if they are both playing ADI! ADI is developed as an advanced strategy adventure based upon the principles of natural processes. Although originally conceived of as a game to be used in education ADI is also an enjoyable recreation similar to Chess, Checkers, or GO. The essential difference between ADI and these other games is that in ADI all participants have the same goal. Although the rules of ADI are very simple the tactics and strategy encompass vast areas of process understanding. The goal of an ADI cycle (i.e., a game) is two-fold: 1) to place as many groups of stones of each style in the matrix (i.e., board) as is possible; and 2) to keep the numbers of each style of stone in the matrix as equal as possible. These goals synthesize into the harmony level of systems' relationship for a particular cycle. The strategies, systems and patterns of "relationships" which emerge during an ADI cycle are ever changing. Each partner in flow discovers for himself the many paths to higher harmony levels. Partners can be assigned a title according to their skill level in ADI flow. There are four main skill levels each with seven intra-levels described by these terms: Four main levels: Concrete, Relational, Directional, Harmony; Seven intra-levels: Organization, Devotional, Knowledge, Balance, Intelligence, Wisdom, Power. So a partner just beginning to learn ADI is referred to as at the level of Concrete Organization while the level with the most skill is Harmony Power. Skill levels are determined by the average harmony levels for each type of matrix flow in ADI. Basics of playing ADI The basics of playing ADI are very simple: Stones are placed on the board's line crossings (called nodes). Each partner chooses one style of stone to place. The game is played or a cycle flows (as is proper) in relaxed silent concentration. An array is any number of stones (1 or more) of the same style that are connected. Another description of the rules is as follows: 1) Partners take turns placing stones. Each group of stones must have at least one adjacent free node (called a liberty) in order to remain in flow; 2) The maximum (scorable) size for a group of stones (array) depends on matrix size; 3) [This rule is only used if the partners want to challenge themselves with unforeseen events] . Place a stone of a randomly chosen style on a randomly chosen node from time to time (not needed very often). Of course if a stone already is placed at a node the unforeseen circumstance cannot be placed there. (Any appropriate random process will do for this unforeseen event rule). After an unforeseen event the partner whose turn it would have been to place had the unforeseen event not occurred continues flow. 4) Each partner must keep placing stones until the stone to be placed would have no liberties (or only null liberties [see below]) or the stone to be placed would create an array larger than the maximum size required for the board (the quantum number). When a partner is not required to place a stone then the partner passes. When all partners have passed then the cycle is fulfilled. 5) Count up the number of groups of stones on the board -- this is the integrity of the cycle. Take the difference of the total number of stones of each style and divide by the quantum number -- this is the balance. Subtract the balance from the integrity and you have the harmony of the cycle. Term Definitions ARRAY: a connected group of one or more stones of the same style. CYCLE: one round (i.e., a complete game) of ADI. EVEN: a cycle which completes process in a perfectly balanced relationship (i.e., the relationship score is 0), and with both partners having an equal number of arrays in flow. FINALE': "end", the final placements of a cycle during which the partners are required to place stones (finale' is usually the last half of the rest phase of a cycle). FLOW: the placement of stones (the process) during a cycle as it generates harmony. HARMONY LEVEL: the goal of the cyclic process. INIT: "first", the first quantum number of placements in a cycle. These placements usually outline the overall strategy for the cycle. LIBERE': a node on the board that serves as a liberty for one or more arrays and upon which no partner is required to place a Stone. LIBERTY: a free (i.e., unoccupied) node adjacent to an array. LIBRA: a situation in which two or more arrays must share the same liberty. LIMIT: "circle", "enclosure", the process and stone pattern whereby one partner surrounds an array of the other partner so that the only possible liberties for the surrounded array exist inside the limit. LOOP: "perpetual", a process in flow through which a placement of a stone (call it stone A) into isolation causes the loss of another style's array -- however, the style which lost the array can then place a stone back into isolation causing the loss of the previously placed Stone (Stone A). This process could continue indefinitely. Loops can be used to balance the relationship and tensegrity towards the end of a cycle. MATRIX: the entire range of an ADI cycle. MEDIATOR: an observer of an ADI cycle whose task is to insure that all the rules and principles of ADI are applied properly. NODE: an intersection of lines on the board (i.e., where stones are placed). NULL LIBERTY: (also referred to as a TRUE LIBERTY) a liberty for an array of one style which can be removed by the placement of a stone of the other style without the placed stone flowing into isolation and without it creating an array larger than a quanta. PARTNER: a participant in an ADI cycle. PEACE: the maximum HARMONY for any area of the board (or the entire board) that can exist within the remaining possibilities of the partners' strategy for a cycle, i.e., an array pattern (with at least one stone of each style) on an area of the board where all nodes that can be occupied have been occupied and none of the arrays in the range may be lost. POLY'NATAL: a situation where the intentional loss of an array serves the immediate possibility of creating two or more new arrays by using nodes left open from the loss. PROCESS: the flow of an ADI cycle. QUANTA: an array with a number of stones equal to the quantum number. QUANTUM NUMBER: the maximum array size that can be counted for the integrity of a cycle. To calculate the Quantum Number in the usual way for an N x N matrix simply divide N by 3 and round upward. The quantum number can theoretically be any positive number. RANGE: the area of the board (or the entire matrix) which is in focussed process. RE'NATAL: a situation where the intentional loss of an array serves the immediate possibility of creating a new array on the nodes left open from the loss. TRUST: a situation in which an array has only one liberty or only null liberties. UNIT: a single stone array. Sanskrit Concepts ABHISYANA: "flow" -- the philosophical process of an ADI cycle. ADI: "ultimate, highest reality" -- the highest state of strategy fulfillment for cycles of all levels. ADYA: "first" -- the first quantum number placements for any strategy. ANTA: "finished, end" -- the end of a spiral of cycles. API: "even" -- the flow state in which all styles of stones have equal numbers of arrays placed in the matrix. ASESA: "complete, whole" -- a cycle in which all significant strategies were fulfilled. AVASA: "helpless" -- a flow in which one partner's array has only one liberty which must eventually be occupied by another partner's array. AVASARAH: "opportunity" -- any situation in which a placement increases the harmony of a cycle. AYUS: "life" -- the placement of an array where there was none before. BALIN: "strong, possessing strength" -- a flow of stones in one area of the matrix which demonstrates maximum harmony for that area. BHATTAH: "learned man, master" -- the sanskrit term for an ADI partner who has achieved an expert level of Directional Organization or higher. BHAYAM: "danger, fear" -- an arrangement of stones in which a required placement of another stone causes the loss of one or more arrays which cannot be recreated. Most strategies are designed to avoid bhayam. CETAS: "mind and heart" -- a strategy which combines processes of direction and sacrifice. DHIMANT: "intelligent, wise" -- the sanskrit term for an ADI partner who has achieved a skill level of Relational Organization or higher. DURGAM: "stronghold, citadel" -- a flow of placements which provides protected liberties for other arrays. EKASAV: "singly" -- the opening moves in which only single stone arrays are created. EVA or EKA: "along, single" -- a single stone array. GANAYATI: "count" -- the total number of arrays in flow at the completion of a cycle. The Integrity. HARSAH: "joy, delight" -- a placement which provides another partner with a helpful strategy idea. JATI or JATA: "birth, born" -- the creation of a new array in flow. KALAH: "right time" -- a cycle in which placements are made according to the best cooperation with the four phases of a cycle. KHAM: "hole, vacuum" -- a liberty in which all partners may make a placement and in which one partner will probably be required to place. LEKHANA: "copying" -- the strategy of by which one partner attempts to place his stones in exact symmetry following those of another partner. MADHYA-STHA: "neutral" -- a partner whose turn it is to place in relation to a flow situation where he is not required to place while all the other partners are still required to do so. MITHAH: "together, mutually" -- the joining of two arrays of different styles in a process which enhances the flow of the cycle. MUNI or RSI: "sage" -- the sanskrit term for a partner who has attained the skill level of Harmony Organization or higher. NALINI or KAMALA: "lotus" -- the strategy of forming lotus structures in flow. NARAPATI: "king" -- the sanskrit term for a partner who has attained the skill level of Harmony Power. NAV: "new, fresh" -- the beginning of a new strategy in an area of the matrix which has no arrays within a quantum number of nodes from the first placement for this strategy. NETR: "leader" -- a partner who, in a cycle, generally initiates new strategies. NIRMITA or NIRMANAM: "created, creation" -- the creation of a new strategy for a particular cyclic phase. NISPANNA: "completed" -- the end of the process of any particular strategy in flow. NITI: "strategy" -- any previously established strategy. NIVASIN: "inhabitant" -- term for an array completed surrounded by arrays of other styles and which has only one liberty. NYAYAH: "rule, principle" -- any concept of ADI. PALANA or RAKSANAM: "protection as defending" -- the placement of an array which provides a protected liberty for another array. PALAYATI or PAL or PARITRAI: "protect" -- any placement which guarantees the continued flow of a particular array. PARA: "ultimate" -- the perfect cycle, perhaps unattainable but always visioned. PARANA: "greater than" -- the relationship between one strategy and one which is a better strategy. PARASPARA: "mutual" -- any shared liberty. PARAVASA: "helpless, in another's power" -- an array which must eventually be removed from flow. PARIGAM: "encircle" -- successive placements of stones of one style so as to create a circle around array(s) of another style or around open nodes. PATHAH: "path" -- the flow of optimum strategies in a cycle. PRABHU: "master" -- a sanskrit term used to described an ADI partner who has attained the skill level of Harmony Wisdom. PRASANNA: "tranquil" -- an area of the matrix in which no more placements will be made. PRASARAH: "freedom" -- the process of keeping arrays in flow through the maintenance of certain liberties. PRASIDATI: "be at peace" -- a flow situation in which all stones and liberties are arranged so that no stone need be removed from the board. PRATIPALYATI: "wait for" -- the process of holding off on a strategically important placement until another partner makes a placement which increases the value of the "waiting" placement. PRATISTHA: "foundation" -- the establishment through carefully chosen placements of the main strategies for a cycle. PRAVISATI: "enter" -- to place a stone as a quanta within a valaya. PRTHAK: "separately" -- the strategy which occurs when all partners are making placements according to different strategies in an attempt to ascertain the best strategy. RACITA: "placed" -- the last stone placed in flow. RAKSATI or PARIRAKSATI: "protect, guard, save, hold" -- any placements which seek to maintain current strategies. RAKSITR: "protector, guard" -- a placement which prevents an array from being removed from flow. SAHA: "together" -- when all partners realize and agree on the strategies for a cycle. SAHAYAH: "accompanying, companion" -- a stone which is directly adjacent to another stone that has no liberties except through connection with the sahayah. SAKHI: "dear friend" -- a partner's array which shares the same liberty as another partner but also has other liberties. SAMAHARAD: "group, collection" -- a group of arrays of all styles which are adjacent to each other. SAMAYAH: "occasion, reason, time" -- the best time to make a certain placement. SAMBANDHAH: "union" -- the joining of two units into a three stone array OR the joining of two arrays into an array that is a quanta. SAMCARAH: "movement" -- when a partner alternately makes placements in different corner areas of the matrix. SAMCAYAH: "collection, quantity" -- any group of stones, connected or adjacent, whether of the same style or not. SAMKHYA: "number, numeral" -- the total number of arrays in flow at any time. SAMPRATI: "now" -- the placement which is at the exact differentiation point between any of the the four phases of a cycle. SAMYUTA: "joined" -- any two arrays of different styles which have all stones on nodes next to each other. SARVA: "whole, all, every" -- state which occurs when all partners except one have made every required placement. SARVATAH!: "on all sides, directions, details" -- a strategy which is implemented by rotational placements on all sides of the matrix. SASVATA: "perpetual" -- philosophical term which refers to the flow of cycles within spirals toward ADI. SATYA: "true, real" -- an ADI cycle which is flowed in silence with a mediator. SIDDHI: "achievement, success, fulfillment" -- the successful completion of any strategy. SRU: "flow" -- the process of a strategy. STHANE: "in the appropriate place" -- the placement of a stone in the best possible node which the partner can ascertain. SUNDARA or SOBHA: "beautiful" -- any arrangement of arrays which appear to be beautiful. SVADRC: "similar" -- a placement which almost mirrors (within one or two nodes) the previous placement. SYAND: "rapid flow" -- flow and placements during a strategy process which is obvious to all partners and therefore placements are made very rapidly. TATRA: "honorable" -- refers to an ADI partner who has attained the skill level of Concrete Power. TATRA BHAVANT: "honorable man" -- refers to a male ADI partner who has attained the skill level of Concrete Power. TATRA BHAVANTI: "honorable woman" -- refers to a female ADI partner who has attained the skill level of Concrete Power. UPAHARAH or SATTRA: "sacrifice" -- a placement which forces the removal of an array of the partner who made the placement. UPAKARIN: "helper, ally" -- a placement which secures a protected liberty for another partner. UPANAYANA: "initiation" -- the beginning of a new cycle or a completely new set of strategies within a cycle. UTPIDITA: "squeezed" -- when an array of one style is completely surrounded by arrays of another style and has only one liberty, this liberty being unprotected. VALAYA: "circle, enclosure" -- an array which surrounds another array. VARAM: "a preferable thing" -- a strategy better than the one currently being used, or a node for stone placement which is superior to another possible node. VARGAH: "group" -- an array of size greater than a unit and less than a quanta. VAYASYAH: "friend" -- a partner's array which shares the same liberty. VELA: "time" -- general term for a phase of a cycle. VIDHI: "destiny" -- the inevitable result of a combination of strategies. VIHVALA: "unsteady" -- a flow situation in which at least one of several arrays may be removed from the board, which array being determined by strategy choices. VISAMA: "uneven" -- a balance number higher than the quantum number. VISAYAH: "sphere, field of action" -- an quantum number by quantum number area of the matrix in which, according to a strategy, the next significant placements will be made. VRTNI: "return" -- to make a placement after a pass. YA: "go" -- to begin a cycle. YAUAT: "while, until" -- to hold back on a significant strategic placement until other partners have set up the placement. YUTA: "united" -- when three or more partners follow a symmetry strategy until the first unforeseen event. Copyright c 1995 -- permission for goodwill non-profit use happily given P. Alessandra A.Priori, 6524 San Felipe #323, Houston, TX 77057, USA. Compuserve: 72203,3461. America OnLine: aprioripa. Email: aprioripa@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:51:13 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DIMENSION Comments: cc: Synergetics List DIMENSION Fuller uses the word "dimension" at least 5 different ways: 1. SIZE 200.02, 527.01 2. PLANES OF SYMMETRY 527.31, 527.50 3. STRUCTURAL PARAMETERS 527.10 4. PAIRS OF OPPOSITES 527.21 5. NUMBER OF LAYERS 202.01 See: 'A Fuller Explanation' by Amy Edmondson (1987), pages 70-5. >From the 'Synergetics' index: 200.02-03 750.23 240.42-50 261.02 825.31-33 262.01 265.03 960.00-966.21 265.09 981.24 986.853 421.01 1013.13 513.01-02 1052.56 521.101 1071.23 527.00-62 1072.21 540.40-41 1075.12 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 16:27:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Ken G. Brown" Organization: Online Corporation Subject: Re: 3-way (triaxial) weave >I've never heard of a 3-way loom but I suspect they exist. I've never really >researched it. Interesting point; you might be right! Anybody out there have >any info on tri-axial weaving? >Joe Here is some info I happen to have on 3-way weaving which was provided to a friend by Dr. Hoskins in 1986. I don't have any of the papers but perhaps Dr. Hoskins would be able to provide them. Triaxial Weave: Dr. J. A. Hoskins Assistant Professor University of Manitoba References came from: "Three-Dimensional Fabrics for Composites", Frank K. Ko, Textile Research Laboratory, Philadelphia College of Textiles and Science, Philadelphia "Triaxial Weaving", S. Chapman, Textile Asia, Jan. 1982 "Preliminary Investigations of Feasibility of Weaving Triaxial Fabrics (Doweave)", Norris F. Dow, George Tranfield, Textile Research Journal, Nov., 1970 "Bending Properties of Triaxially WOven Fabrics", Peter Schwartz, School of Textiles, North Carolina State University, Textile Research Journal, Sept. 1982. "An Analysis of the Mechanical Behavior of Triaxial Fabrics and the Equivalency of Conventional Fabrics", P. Schwartz, R. Fornes, M. Mohamed, Textile Research J., . June 1981 "Triaxial WOven Fabrics: Behavior under Tensile, Shear and Burst Deformation" Frank L. Scardino & Frank Ko, Philadelphia College of Textiles and Science, Textile Research J. Feb. 1981 "Three Way Weaving" Wayne C. Trost, Textile Asia, July 1977 "Triaxially Woven Fabrics: Their Structure and Properties", John Skelton, Fabric Research Laboratories, INc., Dedham, Mass., Textile Research Journal, Aug. 1971 -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Ken G. Brown email: kbrown@maugham.atc.edmonton.ab.ca SYNGEN Industrial Control phone: 403/986-1203 206 Bldg B, 5904 - 50 Street fax: 403/986-5299 Leduc, Alberta, CANADA T9E 6J3 ______________________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 17:50:19 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: DIMENSION Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com At 11:51 AM 8/16/95 PDT, Joe Moore wrote: > > DIMENSION > >Fuller uses the word "dimension" at least 5 different ways: > >1. SIZE 200.02, 527.01 > >2. PLANES OF SYMMETRY 527.31, 527.50 > >3. STRUCTURAL PARAMETERS 527.10 > >4. PAIRS OF OPPOSITES 527.21 > >5. NUMBER OF LAYERS 202.01 Thanks for the citations Joe. Your post got me to thinking more on the concept of Dimension in Synergetics. There's certainly much to say on the topic -- lots of undergraduate and graduate-level theses and papers abrewing in me noggin! So, yes, I'm brewing up a longer paper, which I think you'll find of interest. Rather than publish it to the lists, however (its a bit long), I think I'll just make it available at my FTP site. Planning to save in "Rich Text Format" (RTF) which is supposedly the lowest common denominator among word processors that nevertheless supports bolding, italics, footnotes, indenting -- stuff like that (which plain ASCII is lousy at). I like to see our design science culture growing on the internet not just via web pages, and email posts, but more permanent inventories of papers, software assets, pictures. Of course we have a very impressive beginning along these lines already (thanks in large part to yourself). I look forward to having this continue. Your excellent Virtual Institute pages might inventory documents available for downloading on a second page, alpha by title, another by author, or some other idea. I'm just thinking the resource list is going to get so long and interesting, that the one page "flat file" approach that you and I have been adopting will have to be supplemented with other index-type pages. Thanks for your scholarly contributions to the culture, Joe! Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:54:12 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: DIMENSION Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com RE: "Redefining 'Dimension' in Synergetics" SUMMARY: Discusses the process of redefinition within synergetics, using "dimension" as an example. Traces "4D" concept from its early appearance in Fuller's writing (4D Time Lock) through various redefinitions to Synergetics 2. Now available via FTP. Or you can go to my "Gallery Page" and download via the web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ku_gall.html FTP info is: ftp.teleport.com /pub/users/pdx4d/syn4d.rtf (rich text format) or /pub/users/pdx4d/syn4d.doc (MS Word 6.0 format) I also uploaded the balance of my "Introduction to Synergetics" which previewed a few posts ago via SYNERGETICS-L. Talks about key words in the language of synergetics. ftp.teleport.com /pub/users/pdx4d/syn101.rtf (rich text format) or /pub/users/pdx4d/syn101.doc (MS Word 6.0 format) or, if you want to read the latter via web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/syn101.html Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 22:07:37 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Buckminster Fuller: an old hat >Thanks Kirby. I think you hit just the right note. Your metier is teaching >you poor slob. >Ed Had a teaching job once. Didn't like grading papers. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 06:59:11 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dane Winberg Organization: Drexel University Subject: Talk of Nation interview 1/3 The following is a transcript of the recent radio interview with Jaime Snyder, Medard Gabel and Jay Baldwin in which they discussed personal recollections and some of the work of Buckminster Fuller. Part 1 of 3; the other parts follow in separate posts. [Note: as I started out 'transcribing' this, I tried to report the conversation in clipped phrases, but after a while, I fell into transcribing pretty much word for word. Sorry for the inconsistency. - Dane] Science Friday edition of Talk of the Nation with Karen Hopkin - August 4, 1995 The program's introduction stated that domes were intended by Bucky not just as pavilions (Expo '67 & Epcot), but as a housing solution for the homeless. The opening stated that we've heard about Buckyballs lately, but people may not know much about Bucky Fuller himself. The host reeled off the usual long list of titles attributed to Bucky and concluded that he might be considered the first futurist. He dedicated his life to figuring out how to make the world work and claimed we now have the technology to provide enough food, energy and shelter to take care of everyone. He saw his life as one long experiment and left behind an extensive personal archive of work and experiences. On the 100th anniversary of his birth, the program was to be about Bucky Fuller, what inspired him and how he accomplished so much. The program guests were Jaime Snyder, Bucky's grandson and the Executive Vice President and Co-Founder of Buckminster Fuller Institute, Medard Gabel Executive Director of World Game Institute, and Jay Baldwin, an editor of Whole Earth Catalog, Whole Earth Review, charter member of International Ecological Design Society, and author of Bucky Works, published by John Wiley, will be coming out in the Spring. Jaime, who was Buckminster Fuller? For me, he was a grandfather; I got to know him from the inside out. Others knew him as an inventor, philosopher, designer, architect. Later I grew to appreciate what he did and was about. He committed himself to addressing the biggest picture of challenges that face humanity now. He believed humanity was facing a remarkable milestone in its history. He was trying to solve the problems that face society. He is a mentor for those concerned with that. What sorts of things did he do? Bucky was most popularly known for inventing the geodesic dome (Epcot, homes, radar domes). But moreover, as a remarkable thinker and, as mentioned, perhaps the first futurist, was one of the first talking about global thinking. His term, One-Town World predated Global Village. Pioneered the understanding of Earth as an integrated system. Another link to his thinking is the concept of synergy. Championed the emergence of the word and concept into the public domain. Jay, you built geodesic domes. What's so special about them? Any dome covers greatest volume and floor area with least amount of material. A triangulated geodesic dome becomes strongest known structure. There is a radar dome on the very top of Mt. Fuji. There was no other structure that could withstand those weather conditions. Bucky didn't discover the geodesic dome, but discovered its importance and carried out the research on it with students. Why did he design it; what did he have planned for the dome? He had no plan for the dome. When he started out with his investigations of structure, the quote was, "For all I knew, I could have come up with a pair of flying slippers." He didn't start with the product, but with the biggest picture possible. He started with Universe. He said the physical aspects of Universe have to have some basic shape and the shape has a geometry and I'm going to find out what it is. He referred to it as the coordinates of Universe. The dome came from that and from his investigations into cartography. Medard, what were your experiences with Bucky? I worked with Bucky last 14 years of his life when he developed the World Game, a very big-picture item; a tool. Fuller developed many word tools, metaphors to conceptualize the world and a whole set of physical tools: the dome, his automobile, other inventions. World Game was an interesting, exciting tool for coming to grips with the planet, its problems, its resources. It was a way to see the big picture. The name was coined when war games first developed. Fuller thought that war was a tragic waste of resources, the planet needs a world peace game where instead of trying to beat Russians or whatever the current enemy, you would figure out how to beat the real enemies of humanity, starvation, illiteracy, lack of healthcare. How to meet basic human needs and clean up environment at the same time? Originally proposed World Game as the contents of the Expo '67 dome. Describe a World Game. The World Game Institute puts on 150 to 200 World Games a year, worldwide. There's a giant Fuller Map, another of his tools, the size of a basketball court. The Fuller Map, unlike the Mercator, Robinson, etc. projections, is accurate. Other projections have serious distortion problems. Fuller projection evenly distributes the distortions of a flat map, so that they are sub-visible. We bring 100 people onto the map, each representing 1% of the population, or 57 million people. We put them on the map where the population is currently located: 23 squashed into China, 7 spread out leisurely in N. America. Then we load the world with the world's resources: food, energy, technology. We put these people in charge of their part of the planet; give them enormous powers to make decisions to solve their resource, human need, health, etc. problems. A global simulation takes place starting with current reality and they move it forward and see how well they can do. How do they do? What do they learn? It's a very intense experience. In three and a half hours the participants learn a huge amount about the world, its resources, its problems, its options; and most importantly, what they can do as individuals or small groups to effect change, to participate in solving the problems of the planet. Really, it tries to accurately inform people about the state of the world, inspire them about what could be the state, and what should be, and to empower them to take some action to do something after the event that will help the planet move in the direction they want. Jaime, that's what Bucky was all about? I think so, and think the work of Medard and World Game is outstanding and encourage people to check it out. But it reminds me, and us, I hope, of a very much larger part of Bucky's work that remains for us. I think of Bucky as the first rocket scientist who began talking about the technical feasibility of landing a person on the Moon. For centuries people dreamed about it, but at some point, rocket scientists began to say, 'We could actually do this.' and began a dialogue that led to being able to assure the President that it's as possible as building another B-52 bomber. Bucky is like those rocket scientists in another field. He was perhaps the first to check the research and say it's technically possible to take care of 100% of humanity's basic life support needs. Today, that is not even much in the public debate. Everybody wants the world to be a better place, but there's little debate as to the possible significance of the fact: Is it true or not? Was Bucky right, was Bucky wrong? Because if it is true that we can get to this remarkable point where 100% of humanity has life support, that is just a profound milestone up ahead. If it's true, that's important; If it isn't true, well, let's know that, too. It's an important thing to be in the public debate and I'm glad that Medard and others are championing that issue. Medard, do you think people generally feel that it's within our grasp to do this? And if so, why aren't we doing it? Or are we? Since going to the Moon, there's been an often repeated cliche, 'If we can put somebody on the Moon, why can't we [blank]?' You can fill it in with 'produce a good five cent cigar' or 'build a good VCR' or 'build telephone system that works.' Since going to the Moon, people know we have incredible technological powers. And it is a lot easier on some levels to feed humanity or house them or get them adequate education than it is to do some of the other technological feats. In fact, it might even be cheaper. One study says to eliminate malnutrition and starvation currently would cost $18 billion a year. Well, in the United States, we spend $34 billion on dieting. So the money is out there. We're not going to bankrupt the place to do what's right. The resources are out there and the technology's out there. My assessment is that most people who are reading the newspaper, on at least an intuitive level, have an idea that you could solve the problems that are out there. Jay Baldwin, Bucky thought we were the crew on Spaceship Earth, no? Yes, he coined the term, Spaceship Earth, which is not liked by some environmentalists because it sounds mechanical. And you can't actually run the Earth - that has a lot of hubris, to think that. But we can certainly take care of it, and not damage it while we're living on it if we learn how to do it. Back to what Medard was talking about - taking care of everybody: Bucky actually went to the point of designing houses to be built on military aircraft assembly lines when the war was over. Therefore, the military workers didn't have to fear peace, which they do now, because they wouldn't be unemployed. At the same time, really high-tech, durable housing could be developed to be mass produced. And Bucky had a lot of things in mind besides just the structures. The homemaker would have much less to do, much less maintenance. They didn't require paint, they didn't have gutters to clean, you didn't have to put new roofs on them, and they even cleaned their own air. So you'd have little if any vacuuming to do. He didn't think people should be used as ants. Exactly. Bucky basically designed the dust-free house. Yes, and he paid a lot of attention to what people are for. He pointed out that the animal acts, procreation, eating and defecating, all animals did that. What made us unique was our ability to use or minds, and that's what human beings were for. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:01:21 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dane Winberg Organization: Drexel University Subject: Talk of Nation interview 2/3 Part 2 of 3 of the transcript of the Science Friday edition of Talk of the Nation interview with Jaime Snyder, Medard Gabel, and Jay Baldwin, aired on August 4, 1995. Let's go to the phones. Roger? It's a great pleasure to talk about Buckminster Fuller. What would he think if he saw how we've become so isolationist; so many people are advocating an isolationist attitude; so conservative, materialistic, and seem to lack any real concern for the environment or the world. Jay, as one of the editors of the Whole Earth Catalog and Whole Earth Review, do you agree? Bucky pointed out that despite local political shenanigans, the entire population is working more & more together. Members of the large international corporations move pretty much freely across borders. And the Internet is tying things together much more closely. And even television is. The conservative, isolationist views are peeps from the past; are a very anachronistic way of looking at things. I don't think that's actually what's happening. Bucky had a very low opinion of politics and politicians, in general. He said behind politics is always the gun. He thought world peace would never come about from politics. but from a design science revolution which would distribute the Earth's resources more fairly because there would be so much available that everybody could live well. They wouldn't have to live in fear that if I have my house, then you don't get a house. Caller: That's a good answer, but doesn't address the question. The prevailing view, particularly that's coming from Buchannan, is to put a wall around this country; to be only concerned about our own parochial interests. I'm quite concerned. Jaime: To build on what Jay was saying, Bucky had an expression: Politics is the tail of dragon. Things change in the world: someone invents TV or Internet evolves. Inventions change the fabric of our world and then politics kind of deals with it. My own reflection on what you're saying is that there's a distinction between the infrastructure in the world and our attitude about how we spend X billions of dollars. I think there's a big gap. They're almost two completely different domains. I doubt that Pat Buchannan is for having international corporations give up their interests abroad. It's popular to talk about what we do politically, but there are two completely different domains, and I think Bucky was really focused on what is happening in the big picture that transcends politics. The attitudes of the politicians will change from one day or one year to the other, but there are certain larger trends at work that transcend those attitudes. Jaime, would Bucky be pleased with the way things are? Do you think he'd be upset? Gosh, I dunno. You know, he always said, Look, I'm not an optimist, I'm not a pessimist, I'm just a mechanic, a sailor. All I'm saying is our ship - call it a sailing ship or a space ship or Gaia - our ship can get across this ocean. We can get to a new period in history, a new, remarkable milestone. It's possible. And I think he'd be working on new solutions to increasing the chance that we would successfully make that journey. I think he tried as a personal discipline, to stay out of being either happy or sad about the little day-to-day activities that were going on. I'm sure he would see many encouraging signs and many discouraging signs. I'm not sure how he'd add it all up or whether we'd made progress over the last ten years. But I think he'd look at it as scientifically and objectively as possible. [break] Caller, Lee: In 1970's, at one of the first Whole Earth-type weekend long festivals at University of Massachusetts, Pete Seeger, Malvina Reynolds and Buckminster Fuller were onstage for the opening ceremony. I remember of that only one thing: As your program opening said, Buckminster Fuller said, 'I believe I am the first person to recognize that we now have enough of everything to supply all the needs of everyone in the world. And he added a human element to our not having done with it what's possible. He said the problem of non-use of this ability is just a problem of volition. I think he is the most all-encompassing humanitarian ecological person, ever. Jaime: That's a very eloquent and positive thing to say about Bucky. And I think it speaks to values that we all have. Bucky, and there would be many others we could put on that list, was somebody who gave himself to a problem and a challenge that confronts us all. The comments of Lee speak to the mystery, the profoundness - I guess it's hard to imagine the reality of there not being starvation on this planet. Bucky suggested at one point that the shift that he was talking about as a milestone was maybe as large a shift of thinking as when we thought the Earth was flat, and discovered it was a sphere. It's a totally different way of interrelating with the world around us and we've barely begun to scratch the surface and understand the real significance of this moment in history. Caller: Fuller gave me the outstanding architectural experience I've ever had: I was at Kennedy Airport once, decades ago, and I saw across the facility was a geodesic dome , a 3/4 dome up on a steel openwork tower. So, I drove around and asked the foreman for a look inside. He said we haven't installed the radar emplacement yet, so I can let you in. You walk up into the bottom of a 3/4 dome. It's all blue-green plastic material. It looks as though you're coming up into a jungle environment. And it surrounds you, top, bottom, and all sides. And light comes at you from everywhere, evenly. And you can do anything with the interior you want. It was the most mind- and eye-opening architectural experience I've ever had, and can imagine. What about the beauty of dome? Jay: Well, I, of course, like the way they look. I've been working on transparent dome houses where you'll be able to live in a garden indoors and reach down from the stove and grab a carrot if you wanted to. The idea is to make a dwelling that contributes more than it consumes. To do this logically I choose the dome because it's the most efficient structure to do it in. They're very efficient thermally and a properly designed dome will air condition itself with no mechanism whatsoever, no refrigerators or fans or electricity. [Caller:] You just lift the base up a little off the ground and put a vent in the top, and the circulation, apparently, does it. [Jay:] The hot air goes out the bottom and the cool air comes in the top, just the opposite of what you'd expect. Jay, if the dome is so fabulous, and so technologically incredible, why don't we see them all over? Jay: Well, there are problems. Bucky thought if somebody comes out with a really radical new way of sheltering people -- his idea was that inside the dome, instead of living rooms and dining rooms and bedrooms, it would be a stage on which you lived your life and would be changeable at your whim. This is something that's very difficult for the codes to deal with, and it's especially difficult for banks who actually own most of the housing in the country. The banks don't want to see the value of those houses undermined by a radical new design. Caller, Dale in Honolulu: I wanted to share an experience I had when I worked with a church that did a lot of holistic seminars. After Werner Ehrhardt brought Bucky around to the est organization, I was inspired to inquire how to get Bucky for a talk. I found out he was $5,000 a day. Or if you were real smart and an entrepreneur, you could, I call it, rent Bucky for a week for $10,000. And what would you do with a rented Bucky for a week? Caller: Well, we employed him, he was delighted to do it. He shared his knowledge with five different groups. They were all churches, what we call the New Thought; like Unity, Religious Science, and my church was Divine Science. We were very much into presentations like this. We broke even on it, we didn't make any money on it. My personal experience that I wanted to share was not only Bucky's brilliance, but such a loving person. And Jaime can reflect on this because he's part of the experience I want to share -- Bucky, being such a loving person. I'd never seen anyone kiss another male on the lips once they'd become an adult. His formal greeting and good-bye, quite a revelation when I saw Bucky kiss Jaime on the lips. Jaime: Well, he was, indeed, a very whole, rounded human being. He was very loving, with true compassion, had a great sense of humor, was very playful, and was a very real, unpretentious person. He was also, always trying to learn and grow. He never reached a point where he said, 'Well, I've now figured it all out.' In fact, I think he was always attempting to keep regaining sensitivities that he felt he had lost as a child, to reopen our natural genius. In fact, I remember a funny anecdote. Bucky loved music, but he had a terrible voice for singing. I was studying music lessons. He was quite interested and excited about my musical process. I remember one distinct experience where he stopped and said, 'Jaime, listen for a second,' and he sort of crooned a little bit. Sounded terrible. He said, 'I really feel that I have potential. What do you think about me taking up singing lessons?' Caller: We all need role models in this world and Bucky has been my inspiration, my role model, and I even get teary when I think about Bucky. Bucky is the most loving person I've ever met. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:02:26 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dane Winberg Organization: Drexel University Subject: Talk of Nation interview 3/3 Part 3 of 3 of the transcript of the Science Friday edition of Talk of the Nation interview with Jaime Snyder, Medard Gabel, and Jay Baldwin, aired on August 4, 1995. Medard, you also worked with Bucky for a quite long time. Eternally curious, would you say? That's a good description. I think he was curious about everything. That's why, when people are trying to tell us who Buckminster Fuller was, there's this litany of everything from architect, designer, cartographer, philosopher, educator, and it goes on and on. The reason for that was he was interested in everything. He points out that you and I, as children, were born interested in everything. And it's through the loving ignorance, as he would call it, of our parents and others that we get de-geniused by getting turned off by one thing or another. Instead of being interested in the whole world and the whole universe, we start going down certain paths that get us more and more specialized. Also, he'll point out that overspecialization happens when we cease talking to everybody. We've got a specialized lingo where now, we're microbiologists instead of biologists or instead of just human beings. Overspecialization leads to extinction, whether that's in biological species or even cultures. Did you find him to be a nurturing person, and someone that made you feel like you could actually do things, that you were really important as a human being? Sure. Actually, working for him was a great joy. You didn't have a sense you were working for him. You were working with somebody, who was, because of his age, both a grandfather figure to you and a father figure and a mentor figure, and somebody who you could learn a huge amount about. Sitting around the dinner table, you could ask him about anything, whether it was the local sports team or the nature of the universe. He was quite a charming, humorous man, as well as brilliant man, as well as somebody with a heart as big as his mind. He also lived during a time when there was just an amazing technological explosion. So, I imagine that was part of what drove him. So many things happened. He, being born in 1895, the cusp of 20th century, and here we are poised on the edge of 21st. I think, looking back on his life and what he had experienced, is a fairly fruitful exercise. He came into the world when the electron was discovered. The automobile rolls into his hometown when he's about ten years old. He sees all the things we've taken for granted, from the automobile to the radio, to refrigeration, all of the things that are common to us. He was born in a world where he was told, in grade school, and even high school, that it's inherently impossible for human beings to fly. Sure enough, a few years later, the Wright brothers show up and we're flying. And now we've been to the Moon. He experienced this incredible amount of technological advance. One of the things people learned who were around him, was that things are moving incredibly fast, just in his lifetime and in our lifetime. You and I have seen the advent of the personal computer. And it's gone from a couple thousand to a hundred thousand to five hundred thousand, to now, there's about 175 million personal computers on the planet. And now they're all being hooked up in a variety of different networks, the granddaddy of all being the Internet. That technological progress and the rapidity of it is fairly amazing but something you can take for granted or even be oblivious to if you don't have this multi-year perspective. And comparing what's happened since Fuller left the planet to while he was around is a fairly interesting exercise to give you a feel of how things have changed and how rapidly they are continuing to change. Jay, what do you think makes a Bucky Fuller and do we really have any people that are an equivalent to a Bucky today? I don't think they come along very often, but Bucky claimed that he was just an ordinary human being and not a particularly unique one in any way. I think a lot of people who worked with him would contest that modest view. He was almost alarmingly disciplined. As anyone who actually worked with him on a project will tell you, he apparently didn't sleep. I think he actually slept a couple of hours out of twenty-four. He called it Dymaxion sleep. He catnapped. He said if you got tired, it meant that you had gone too long without sleep and that you should just take a little nap every now and then. You'd never get tired. I remember when he was in his mid-70's, he was climbing up a hill at a school where we built a bunch of domes near Los Gatos. He was staying well ahead of the 16 year olds and wasn't even breathing hard, which was quite amazing because he didn't really work out. He experimented with his diet. He was never bored. He was always into something. He said if you're bored, part of you is asleep is the problem. Caller, Carl: I want to speak to Jaime Snyder. You're the grandson? Lucky man. Two questions: What was the religious affiliation, if any, in the family of your grandfather? And the second: Did he ever say or write that each person was worth $6 billion? Jaime: His part of the family comes from a long line of Unitarian ministers. I would say Bucky was a very... maybe, spiritual person, though even that has current connotations that maybe don't quite convey it. He very much talked a lot about the great intellectual integrity of the universe, or call it the great Mystery, or God, and was very much oriented to trying to understand what God or the bigger intelligence of the universe is up to here. If we wanted to make the planet work, we'd better be sure to try to understand what the larger intelligence is about. He wasn't, however, really involved, as is characteristic of other aspects of his work, in any organized religion. In fact, he wrote a book in the 60's called No More Secondhand God. He really felt that God was something for each of us to come to grips with. Whether we experienced it, as he mentioned in his book, as the remarkable capability of the electronics that sits in the aircraft cockpit, or in a plant, or something larger; that we each have our own direct relationship, and, in fact, it is part of our awakening process, and learning and growth on this planet is for each of us to explore that and come to grips with it. He tended to steer away from things that were too organized. He was very much of an individual. And on the question of what is each person worth? Maybe Jay or Medard... Philosophically, that statement, I don't remember it. He said a lot of things at different points. He was always making assessments and calculations. The bottom line is, I think, he certainly felt humans were beyond calculation. I do vaguely remember him trying to help people understand the profundity of the technology, if you will, that's reflected in the human organism. Perhaps it was in that context that he said it's a $6 billion piece of equipment, but I don't remember a particular quote. Jay, Bucky thought that each one of us had a job to do on this Earth, no? Yes. One of the things that got me when I met him in 1951 when I was 18 years old -- I was just starting college -- he informed me that I did not have to earn a living. I was pretty flabbergasted. It's the sort of idea that is in a lot of peoples' minds today, with many people laid off. He said there may not be jobs, but there's plenty of work, and our work was to discover how the universe worked -- how Universe worked -- he never said the universe and to put these ideas to work and to communicate them to others. He considered us to be the balance of entropy. Caller (Peg):I was privileged to hear Bucky speak in 1981. He lectured at the university that I was attending. It was profound and a wonderful experience that I've shared with many friends over the years. I remember a couple comments that he made, one in particular stuck with me. I'm sure that your panel will recognize this as characteristic. He said, 'I weave whole tapestries of thought.' In the process of about an hour and a half or two hour lecture, he covered what seemed like an incredible array of topics, bringing together the Minoan civilization and space exploration and food issues in Africa. There were a lot of things that were striking about it. One I remember, too, is that he sort of hobbled out onto the stage; he needed help. Based on a birth date of 1895, he would have been 86 years old by now. The impression at first was of a very frail, little old man. He sat down. He had a microphone, but he sat on a stool. But as he spoke, he gained strength and his voice became louder. It seemed as if he drew from the audience. There was probably about 500 people, just a packed hall to listen to him. And he grew in strength and volume and he got up and he was able to move around. He really came alive in the process of exchanging ideas with the audience. He brought out a ball made from short pieces of balsa wood and dental floss. The thing that was striking about it was none of the pieces of wood touched. But he held it in his hands and then he bounced it. It bounced just like a basketball. Apparently it was based on the same kind of architecture as the geodesic dome. Peg, I think that's all that we actually have time for. You're going to have the last word on our Bucky program today. Thank you very much for calling. And I'd like to thank my guests this hour. Jaime Snyder is Bucky's grandson and Executive Vice-President and Co-Founder of the Buckminster Fuller Institute in Santa Barbara, California. Medard Gabel is the Executive Director of the World Game Institute in Philadelphia. And Jay Baldwin is editor of The Whole Earth Catalogue and Whole Earth Review, and he has a book about Bucky called Bucky Works coming out in the Spring. Thank you all for being on the program today. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 03:39:10 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tom Newman Organization: Child/Family Interactive Network Subject: modelling dome in 3-D program Hi, I'm looking for the x, y and z coordinates for the hubs of a 3 frequency 3/8 geodesic dome - to plug into a 3D modeling program. I have Adobe Dimensions and Artifice DesignWorkshop 2.0. Has anyone tried using either of these programs to model a dome? If not those programs, which ones have you used? Any shareware programs? If you have successfully modelled a dome in a 3-D program would you consider sharing the files you created? Please reply to me directly at: tan@pobox.com Tom Newman Thanks, Tom ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 12:28:57 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TRIAXIAL WEAVE Ken, Thanks for the Triaxial Weave references! I added them to the "3-Way Weave" poopsheet (see separate post). In an item called "Futureweave: Space Fabric Finds Earthly Uses" in OMNI magazine (I neglected to note the month, year or page # !!) they talk about NASA's space-capsule recovery parachutes. The weaving technology was starting to turn up in sailcloth, consumer apparel and brake diaphragms. They expected it to also be used in soft body armor for soldiers and police and for covering domed stadiums. Also in 10-4-86 (in Salinas, CA, USA) Payless stores advertised a triaxial weave Omega racquetball racquet. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 12:30:24 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: 3WAY WEAVE UPDATE THREE-WAY WEAVING by Joe S. Moore Updated 8-18-95 BI-AXIAL TRI-AXIAL Y Z Z Y Z Y XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Y Y Y Z Y Z Y Z Y Y Y Z Z Y Y Z Y Z Y Z Y XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Y Y Y Z Y Z Y Z Y Z Y Y Z Z Z Y Y Y Z Y Z Y Z Y Z Y XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Y Y Y Z Y Z Y Z Y Y Z Y Y Y Y Z Y Z Y Z Y XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Y Z Y Z Z Y R.Buckminster Fuller has pointed out that a 3-axis (triangular) weave is far superior to a 2-axis (square or 2-way) weave. 3-way weaves have 4 times the tear resistance of conventional weaves and resist spreading (runs). 3-axis weaving can be used to increase the durability and decrease the cost of many types of fabrics such as clothing, nylon stockings, parachutes, sails, tarps, tents, screens, nets, etc. Tennis and raquetball rackets using 3-axis stringing have 60% more ball-to-string friction for better control, more power, a larger sweet spot, less vibration, and superior shock dispersion. Any flat, round, or irregular shape can be woven such as hats, baskets, balls, and even geodesic domes! For further information see: "Preliminary Investigation of Feasibility of Weaving Triaxial Fabric(Doweave)" by Norris F. Dow and George Tranfield Nov 1970 Textile Research Journal pages ??-?? "Triaxially Woven Fabrics: Their Structure and Properties" by John Skelton Fabric Research Laboratories, Inc, Dedham, MA USA Textile Research Journal, Aug 1971 pages ??-?? "Three Way Weaving" by Wayne C. Trost Jul 1977 Textile Asia (magazine) pages ??-?? 'Synergetics II' by R. Buckminster Fuller Oct 1979 sec 1033.111 "Triaxial Woven Fabrics: Behavior under Tensile, Shear & Burst Deformation" by Frank L.Scardino & Frank Ko, Philadelphia College of Textiles & Science Textile Research Journal Feb 1981 pages _?-_? 'Critical Path' by R. Buckminster Fuller May 1981 pages 13-14 "An Analysis of the Mechanical Behavior of Triaxial Fabrics & the Equivalency of Conventional Fabrics" by P.Schwartz, R.Fornes & M.Mohamed Textile Research Journal Jun 1981 pages _?-_? "Triaxial Weaving" by S. Chapman Jan 1982 Textile Asia (magazine) pages _?-_? "Bending Properties of Triaxially Woven Fabrics" by Peter Schwartz School of Textiles, North Carolina State Univ. Textile Research Journal Sep 1982 pages ??-?? 'A Fuller Explanation' by Amy C. Edmondson Jan 1987 pages 232-33 "Composites" by Tsu-Wei Chou, Roy L.McCullough & Byron Pipes Scientific American (magazine) ??? 19__ pages 193-?? "Three-Dimensional Fabrics for Composites", ??? 19__ pages ??-?? by Frank K. Ko, Textile Research Laboratory Philadelphia College of Textiles and Science, Philadelphia, PA, USA -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 17:25:57 -0400 Reply-To: WLauritzen Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Books - Out of print Mark Crandell, I have two hard-bound copies of Synergetics II. I may be willing to part with one of them. I should say that I value these books highly. I was thinking of auctioning one of them off, but I don't know how the rest of the group would feel about this. Bill Lauritzen ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:11:57 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: leapfrog program (fwd) If the tetrahedron's vertexes are labeled {a,b,c,d} and the tetrahedron insideouts in that order you get the tetrahelix. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 04:47:41 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: The 4D Chronicler (Vol 1. No. 1) \ /\ /\ / \ /\ /\ / \ / \ / \ / The 4D Chronicler \ / \ / \ / \/____\/____\/ \/____\/____\/ /\ /\ /\ An Internet Newsletter /\ /\ /\ / \ / \ / \ by Kirby Urner / \ / \ / \ /____\/____\/____\__________________________________/____\/____\/____\ ======================================================================= Published Monthly August 1995 Vol 1. No. 1 ======================================================================= THIS ISSUE: FOCUS ON BFI TABLE OF CONTENTS 1. BFI/Microsoft Connection 4. Committees in the Wings 2. Web Page Projected 5. BFI in Transition (Editorial) 3. Scanning Center Scenario 6. Note from 4D Solutions Note: if the header looks funny, adjust your font to fixed pitch ======================================================================= 1. BFI/Microsoft Connection The Microsoft beta/preview of the new MS internet service that we heard rumors about (thanks to Kiyoshi), which was supposed to include something about Bucky (an IRC chat kind of thing for example) actually did take place on July 7. Jaime relayed his comments by phone to a Microsoft subcontractor in Hawaii (actually to his secretary), and the comments of others were relayed back to Jaime during a real-time online chat session. Microsoft is apparently continuing to develop a Bucky-related showcase of its new service, via this Hawaii connection. BFI's plan is to make enough material available to where we can check it out online (the service goes public next week, with the release of Win95). Based on how that looks, BFI will decide, in consultation with its various committees (in the planning phase -- see below), how to proceed. 2. The Web Page Project BFI is of course anxious to put up web pages. Part-time volunteer Mark Kelly has had his hands full so far this summer, helping archives users, but has the internet savvy to put web pages together. BFI has grant funds set aside to buy a scanner, which will come in handy when mining the archives for web-suitable content. The scanner is to be purchased in September. How will assets be shared? Let's consider the map as an example: BFI's general policy for sharing the Dymaxion Projection is to stipulate that an explanation accompany it, so that viewers can get access to more information via BFI. This policy will translate well to the web, where permissions will stipulate the placement of hot links back to BFI pages. Another policy is that barriers to using the map should not be financial, but that for-profit use may entail payment of the going market rate for such usage. 3. The Scanning Center The document and graphic scanner is to be a component in a larger scenario wherein digitized archival assets will be tagged by keyword for computerized retrieval from a growing repository. This was the plan developed by BFI's professional archivist, Bonnie Goldstein. Bonnie's grant proposal mentioned FoxPro as a potential database program. FoxPro, a Microsoft product, was recently overhauled to become object-oriented and more client-server capable, and is being used successfully at various websites to interface web forms with databases, suggesting exciting possibilities for the future. BFI has a long history of working with Macs however, and the most recent version of FoxPro is not yet available for the Apple line. BFI has also been offered a UNIX box for internet purposes. Since BFI does not have plans to host an in-house web server before bringing web pages on line (via some service provider), the question of what kind of box to use is not yet pressing (nor are the various answers mutually exclusive, given the flexibility of the internet). 4. Committees in the Wings Throughout the early months of this year, the BFI Ad Hoc Committee on the Internet explored many of the pressing issues facing anyone contemplating moving intellectual assets, especially expensive ones, into cyberspace. As per BFI bylaws, at least two members of the BFI board, in this case Allegra and Ed Applewhite, needed to serve on this committee. Other members included Blaine D'Amico, Robert Gray and Kirby Urner, plus a behind-the-scenes cast. Allegra took an active role, distilling committee input into a report, reading articles on intellectual property in WIRED, visiting existing Fuller-related web-sites (Blaine serving as tour guide). Given the success of this committee experience, which made extensive use of the internet, BFI is interested in launching more of such, each with a specific focus. The time-line for forming these committees is not yet clear, nor the matter of whether by-laws should be amended to keep board member responsibilities managable. The envisioned committee structure, combined with the new freedoms the emerging global communications infrastructure permits, will give us more opportunities to volunteer our expertise and energies within an evolving organizational framework. 5. BFI in Transition (Editorial) The resignation and departure of Tony DeVarco and Bonnie Goldstein has sparked much soul-searching and calls for "perestroika" both within and without the BFI organization. Jaime sees BFI as "symmetrically contracted" into a tiny ball. Perhaps an expansion phase is just ahead, but in the meantime, BFI is just getting by with the hard work of a skeletal staff, concerned board members, and a few volunteers. BFI is not the only organization committed to carrying on with the work Bucky started, but as Bonnie puts it: "the archive is Fuller's greatest artifact." In this critical period, individual initiative is needed to keep alive the vision of the archive's critical role within a much bigger scenario. 6. Note from 4D Solutions Thanks to all who contributed newsworthy tidbits. This communication is distributed free via the internet by 4D Solutions, a private solutions provider based in Portland, Oregon. Kirby Urner is responsible for the content and any inaccuracies or omissions should be brought to his attention. Email your news and comments to: pdx4d@teleport.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 01:01:51 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: leapfrog program (fwd) If {a,b,c,d} is a right helix than {a,b,d,c} is left. See <> Ted Campbell Copyright 1986, 1995 Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 01:07:18 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: leapfrog program (fwd) The Tetrahelix can also be "frequency modulated." Two frequency tetrahelixes have nucleated "octahelixes" to the right or left which ever the case may be. The three frequency tetrahelix has a nuclear cubo-octahelix with two squares over and under. The four frequency tetrahelix has a nuclear octahelix nucleated with a traditional cubo-otahelix....See <> Ted Campbell--Copyright 1986, and 1995 Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 08:23:23 -0700 Reply-To: ud501@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Denis F. Blue" Subject: information feedback Hi everyone. A couple of postings from James Fischer, and responses to them, have covered " information ", its abundance and "usable"-ness, particularly in reference to electronic databases and bulletin boards. (But in the flurry of feathers ruffled over some more recent messages this thread already seems,uh,old hat.) JF quote: I listen more than I talk Walt, and read more than I write.You folks are way ahead of me on Bucky geometry, so I have little to contribute to most trains of thought here. If you wish, I could mail the occasional "Wow!" or "Huh?" Let me think about that a bit...", but someone might call that "Information", so I had better not. I DO call that "wow!" and "huh?" information, very valuable information! Were a mechanism in place for this List and others to compile everyones'(particularly the "lurkers" ') "wow!"s and "huh?"s, such feedback would be INVALUABLE in sifting through and refining the presentation of the information on the resulting database. As another writer on this list aptly put it (quote): "....without the medium of the human mind all 'information' is just so much paper (or electron patterns, or whatever)... ", ... " Education automation will put learning in the hands of the learners themselves, who are the only ones qualified to filter (inherently subjective) noise from signal ..." We have an ongoing need for accessible, comprehensible,pertinent, accurate, pithy, timely, and comprehensive information about a wide range of subjects. JF quote:"The actual increase in usable information has not gone up too much in most groups, we just have a larger number of people writing"letters to the editor",when there IS no"editor"." I see what you're saying there James, but it does seem clear that there IS an "information explosion" going on as a result of greater access to computer-based communications. And not just dry statistics are being scanned into data bases , but also ideas, questions, comments and concerns are all proliferating on the Net. There's a lot of valuable stuff there. But I'm sure you'd agree that we aren't getting full bang for the byte with regard to this information supersomething. There IS an editor, but we're not doing too good a job of it. JF quote: "We can always laugh at what nonsense people used to believe. How is this time any different? Have we gradually reduced the amount of disinformation in circulation, in our own belief systems? I suppose each one of us is responsible for doing reality checks, the more the better. " Although some of us do our own individual reality checks, we certainly haven't compared notes much. What is "disinformation"? You can bet your babble is someone else's bible. Historically, the powerful of the world have had a huge influence in shaping our societies and our views of what is real and possible. We now have the option to develop world views that are shaped by all humanity sharing realities through dialogue, data testing, research, speculative simulations, etc. This is unprecedented and important. This Great Reality Check will need the "wow!"s accessible to help steer others in the direction of what they're looking for,and the "huh?"s will let us know what's still a little foggy and so where further clarification is required. Subscribers contribute to this List in many ways, I am confident they would be able and willing to do so even more , were such a feedback mechanism in place. Denis Blue -- ### ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:48:06 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Books - Out of print Comments: To: wlauritzen@aol.com In-Reply-To: <415kt5$44l@newsbf02.news.aol.com>; from "WLauritzen" at Aug 19, 95 5:25 pm WLauritzen writes: > > Mark Crandell, > > I have two hard-bound copies of Synergetics II. I may be willing to part > with one of them. I should say that I value these > books highly. I was thinking of auctioning one of them off, but I don't > know how the rest of the group would feel about this. > > Bill Lauritzen > .- > OK by me. I was thinking of doing the same some day. I have an extra copy of The Dome Builder's Handbook by Prenis and Dome Builder's Handbook No.2 by Yarnall Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:56:38 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: 4D: Re: A Four Dimensional Object Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Gerald de Jong" at Aug 20, 95 11:05 pm Fuller considers the tetrahedron to have 24 edges congruent as 6 and 12 vertices congruent as 4. See _Synergetics 2_, color plate 4 ("Deceptiveness of Topology") in the front of the book. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 23:26:41 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nathan R Silvis Subject: Buckminster Fuller Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 22:21:16 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: YELLOW PAGES It has just been brought to my attention that the Geodesic list is now listed in the _Internet Yellow Pages_! Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 22:22:47 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: 4D: Re: A Four Dimensional Object (fwd) Joe Moore writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Mon Aug 21 22:20:40 1995 > Message-Id: <199508220518.WAA02092@mail.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: 4D: Re: A Four Dimensional Object > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 22:17:56 PDT > From: Joe Moore > In-Reply-To: ; from "Gerald de Jong" at Aug 21 , 95 10:09 am > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > Gerald de Jong writes: > > > > joe moore: > > >Fuller considers the tetrahedron to have 24 edges congruent as 6 > > >and 12 vertices congruent as 4. > > > > indeed. he would have enjoyed the tensegrity jitterbug animations. > > > > >See _Synergetics 2_, color plate 4 ("Deceptiveness of Topology") in the fro nt > > >of the book. > > > > i would *love* to see Synergetics 2, but it's out of print and > > NOT TO BE FOUND!!! damn. cruel freakin world is this one. > > > > -- > > . > > : . gerald_de_jong/rotterdam, http://www.xs4all.nl/~gdj . > > !dreamer=thinker*coder? : . > > .- > > > Gerald, > > Take a VE jitterbug and compress it into the tetrahedron state (+ or -). > See _Synergetics_ 1, sec.461.08 (figure 461.08). > > Joe > > > -- > > JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 > CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 06:29:41 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: digest fLUX-staff Subject: Re: Books - Out of print Dear Joe Thank you for your tireless efforts for our Bucky list. His works and spirit are alive on the net and your contributions are a cause for this. I would be interested in the DOMEBUILDERS HANDBOOKS, since we plan to construct a dome, as soon as the the PLANET GENIUS series is released. How much are you asking? Frank Rothkamm -------------------------------------------------------------------- OVERTURE "True genuis rearranges old material in a way never seen before" (John Hersey) CHORUS fLUX/NYC is a label for the sonic, symbolic and scriptural transmissions from PLANET GENIUS. Released PLANET GENIUS (fLUX volume one) with three more to follow. All 4 CD's encompass a 4.56789123 hour sound mythological cosmos. Each CD is venturing into a different territory and released with an independent book. Think of it as a Ring. File under: Trance / Techno / Ambient / Algorithmic / Experimental / Electronica. VOICES SING ABOUT PLANET GENIUS: "AMBIENT INTO TRANCE: dramatically different timbres, splendid morass of swirling rhythms..and the opts for the strange..that elevate it far above your average fare." (Alternative Press). "lovely unique package...as much art object as recording" (Option) "REALLY weird,...dramatic, surprising, novel,...perhaps signifies the birth of a new genre of music." (UK-Dance,IDM) "experimentation and artistry thrown into your dance mix...the work of true mastermind" (Independent Music Review) "Elevated the collective unconscious a notch or two with this release...Malcolm Mc Laren should give this a listen" (KPFK, L.A.) "The CD really breaks through the many barriers electronic dance music is restricted by." (DJTRAXX) "It's amazing because while listening to it, everthing seems to be possible" (Spin Off, GER) THE FAQ: Q: Where do they live ? A: New York Q: Where do they come from ? A: The german theater Q: Who has released their music in the past? A: Capitol, Hardkiss, Fabulous, 21st Circuitry Q: Who has written about them ? A: Playboy, Streetsound, Option, Internet, Hypno, URB, Alternative Press, IMR Q: What other things did they do ? A: Classical composition; software engineering; body manipulation, S&M & ritual performance; raves & commercials. FINALE Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind." Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind /\ / G \ /____\ ~~~~~fLUX_NYC~~~~~ ~~~~Box 2141~~~~ ~~~New York~~~ ~~ NY 10163~~ ---------- Dadua@aol.com 1-718-599-9377 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:09:41 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Mac Cosham Subject: GENI on Australian Radio Hello friends: Today at work on the radio I heard Peter Miesen discussing the global energy grid. He was on "triple j" a very popular radio station that broadcasts nationally. While I am at it, a friend from Hawaii sent me an off the shelf item called a space ball. It is a Bucky Ball that is assembled from plastic that glows in the dark. It really does look terrific, and there is a good article written by Kirby Urner that comes along with the kit. take care swami dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:12:17 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Horse power james Watt, who was born in 1736, lived in great britain when the first crude steam engines were being used to pump water from the coal mines. he produced the first modern steam engine and measured its rate of working(power)by comparing it to the rate of working of a horse. as a result of many experiments, he estimated that a horse could do 550 foot-pounds of work in a second. Watt defined this rate of working as one horse-power; it is shown in a fig . the horse is raising a weight of 550 pounds through a vertical distance of 1 foot in 1 second. fromgeneral science made easy by louis T. Masson. horse power was responsible for the agrigulture revolution in the midelages. the Romans limited the horse carrying capacity to 500 kg.(kirrby please correct) becuse they did not know how to harness the horse correctlly. coal mines are known from around the eleven century. the main machine in the medievel times is the water wheel, and the horse. from this came the measurment of horse power. it is not very far from this to get the unit foot pounds, which fuller use in measuring how much energy is available for every one in the world. some of the information are from ( Medieval machine) i becoming to realize that we must have accurate knowldge of the history of technology. i found the the last book i mentiond to be very informative does any one know of good books in the same level in history of thechnolgy till our age. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:19:54 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Subject of study A second possible study course: design insects invention housing engines biology general metabolism internet high tech int politics i do no know if this has any synergetic effect, any comments they seem to have some relation to each other. i find ensyclopidia britanic to be comboursom,(heavy) the volume of the earth 100 million mile rhombic dodecahedron units rhombic dodeca is the closet shape to spher. the volume of earth in six dimension, becuse rhombic dodecahedron is six dimension event. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:40:51 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Books - Out of print In-Reply-To: <950822062938_60284374@mail06.mail.aol.com>; from "digest fLUX-staff" at Aug 22, 95 6:29 am digest fLUX-staff writes: > > Dear Joe > Thank you for your tireless efforts for our Bucky list. His works and spirit > are alive on the net and your contributions are a cause for this. > > I would be interested in the DOMEBUILDERS HANDBOOKS, since we plan to > construct a dome, as soon as the the PLANET GENIUS series is released. > > How much are you asking? > > Frank Rothkamm > > /\ > / G \ > /____\ > ~~~~~fLUX_NYC~~~~~ > ~~~~Box 2141~~~~ > ~~~New York~~~ > ~~ NY 10163~~ > ---------- > Dadua@aol.com > 1-718-599-9377 > Don't know. Make me an offer. Don't forget to include the cost of postage. The two books together weigh less than two pounds. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:47:51 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: GENI on Australian Radio Comments: cc: Synergetics List In-Reply-To: <9508221210.AA26202@highway1.com.au>; from "John Mac Cosham" at Aug 22, 95 8:09 pm John Mac Cosham writes: > > Hello friends: > > Today at work on the radio I heard Peter Miesen discussing the global > energy grid. He was on "triple j" a very popular radio station that > broadcasts nationally. > > While I am at it, a friend from Hawaii sent me an off the shelf item > called a space ball. It is a Bucky Ball that is assembled from plastic > that glows in the dark. It really does look terrific, and there is a good > article written by Kirby Urner that comes along with the kit. > > take care > > swami dharmraj > aka John Mac Cosham > dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au > > "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller > .- > I think Kirby designed several items that Stu carries in his catalog, but I've never asked him about it. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:38:54 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Lockley Subject: design science revolution essay I thought I'd post this little essay in hopes that it will stir up some discussion about the phrase 'Design Science Revolution. The discussion brings in some large-scale socio-economic questions and I want to make clear that I don't pass myself off as an economist nor a card-carrying crank. (I lost my card years ago.) Fuller wrote the foreward to a book called "Design for the Real World," by the Scandanavian designer-radical Victor Papanek. Fuller indicates in that foreward that the two are working along similar but separate tracks with a great deal of mutual respect. But the relatedness of their work is not made explicit in that book. Papanek's premise is that professional industrial designers had, by 1968 or so, failed in almost every respect to protect the users of their designs, emphasizing instead the bells and whistles and sexy curves. Industrial designers like Loewy and Dreyfuss and bel Geddes had become (very oddly) famous in the 30's and 40's, garnering lots of attention in venues like Life Magazine and world's fair exhibits. The profession made lots of money for their corporate clients in those decades mostly by changing the look of their locomotives and coffee pots without improving them functionally. So Papanek rails, sometimes in fairly acidic terms, against designers who are serving only their clients, with frivolous and sometimes fatal results for the general public. Fuller was first famous for two specific industrial designs in the late twenties, the Dymaxion Car and the Dymaxion House, before he went on to develop geodesic domes, tensegrity, an alternative geometry, etc. Despite some small questionable aspects of its performance the prototype Dymaxion Car was demonstrably superior to its contemporaries in several ways, like mileage performance, a number of practical benefits derived from a very short turning radius, and its streamlined shape. It was the world's first streamlined automobile. The Dymaxion House was meant to demonstrate the same sort of superiority to contemporary housing in terms of flexibility, materials use, etc. In both cases Fuller saw a clear-cut design problem which could be addressed by applying technology. Here, and later with his geodesic domes, Fuller had very little concern with aesthetics. How the solution looked from the outside was of no importance compared to how it worked on the inside. So you can see some parallels emerging between Fuller's early work and what Papanek liked to complain about in the 60's. There are various ways to interpret this relationship but I believe it boils down to a straightforward-sounding, seemingly self-evident premise which has enormous implications if you use it as a window to see 20th Century technological history differently. The premise is this: both the car and the house are engineered objects which have been deliberately and systematically mis-engineered to increase manufacturers' profits. The history of automobile design bears this out. I rely on Jeffrey Meikle's excellent history of industrial design called 20th Century Ltd. for many of the details of the story, and of course there's Alfred Sloane's eerie classic My Years with General Motors. Sloane is known for inventing the model year change and the form of the modern decentralized corporation. The early years of the auto business were marked by a great number of manufacturers and a great number of technical advances in steering, suspension, etc. and of course Ford's assembly line manufacturing. GM, organized under Durant then Sloane, introduced the model year change system, in which the previous year's car model was made supposedly obselete and less desirable. In this period a new model Chevrolet, say, was still apt to be faster, safer, better than last year's model. But you can pinpoint, almost to the week, when this parade took a sharp left turn. In 1935, in a series of decisions related to the market's resistance to the new Chrysler Airflow (the world's second streamlined automobile), Walter Chrysler, with Sloane at GM and Henry Ford following suit, abandoned the idea that improving the automobile would sell more automobiles. The dynamics of the industry had shifted; there were fewer players; the industry was now clearly disincented to produce a long-lasting, continuously improved car because unit sales would drop immediately. Then as now they're clearly incented to produce resource- wasteful, expensively styled, hyper-fragile automobiles, which is exactly what they continue to produce, and market them on the basis of emotion. To understand the failure of industrial design in the auto industry takes nothing more than being able to tell the difference between fashion and science. It's the difference between true industrial design and mere decoration, between substance and style. It's the whole question of design integrity. Fashion goes around and around every few years; science goes straight ahead. Mainstream auto design is now very much led by marketing. Their incantatory scientistic words like 'aerodynamic' and 'ergonomic' have been degraded to the point of meaninglessness. So for me, Fuller s Design Science Revolution means the effort to apply rational design principles to the house, the car, and every other livingry artifact, led by human need and dimension instead of marketing data. If you admit that this premise about houses and cars being deliberately mis-engineered is valid, then you could make the case that world technological history has been stunted and warped since about 1935, and that we are all suffering from those decisions in one way or another. As a matter of fact I went car shopping just last night. Comments? I know I'm preaching to the converted, but am I also restating the obvious? Walt klockley@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 11:03:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: 4D: Re: GENI on Australian Radio Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Comments: cc: Synergetics List At 08:47 AM 8/22/95 PDT, synergetics-l@teleport.com wrote: >John Mac Cosham writes: >> >> Hello friends: >> >> Today at work on the radio I heard Peter Miesen discussing the global >> energy grid. He was on "triple j" a very popular radio station that >> broadcasts nationally. >> >> While I am at it, a friend from Hawaii sent me an off the shelf item >> called a space ball. It is a Bucky Ball that is assembled from plastic >> that glows in the dark. It really does look terrific, and there is a good >> article written by Kirby Urner that comes along with the kit. >> >> take care >> >> swami dharmraj >> aka John Mac Cosham >> dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au >> >> "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller >> .- >> >I think Kirby designed several items that Stu carries in his catalog, but I've >never asked him about it. Joe > > >-- > >JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > > Hey swami! glad to hear GENI is getting its talking heads on AU radio. And no, Kirby didn't design anything in Stu's catalog (wishes he did). He wrote the BuckyBall essay (but didn't think up the ball itself -- that was Roger Gilbertson's brain child) and he may be writing more vis-a-vis Roger's Connection, also not his design. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 00:12:45 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Nelson Subject: Re: 4D: Re: GENI on Australian Radio > >And no, Kirby didn't design anything in Stu's catalog (wishes he did). >He wrote the BuckyBall essay (but didn't think up the ball itself -- that >was Roger Gilbertson's brain child) and he may be writing more vis-a-vis >Roger's Connection, also not his design. > >Kirby Excuse a newbie for perhaps asking the obvious, but who is Stu and what is his catalog? Could this be Stewart Brand and the Whole Earth Catalog? Thanks, Lee ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:50:29 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: 4D: Re: GENI on Australian Radio In-Reply-To: <199508230410.AAA24138@svcs1.digex.net>; from "Lee Nelson" at Aug 23, 95 12:12 am Lee Nelson writes: > > > > >And no, Kirby didn't design anything in Stu's catalog (wishes he did). > >He wrote the BuckyBall essay (but didn't think up the ball itself -- that > >was Roger Gilbertson's brain child) and he may be writing more vis-a-vis > >Roger's Connection, also not his design. > > > >Kirby > > Excuse a newbie for perhaps asking the obvious, but who is Stu and what is > his catalog? Could this be Stewart Brand and the Whole Earth Catalog? > > Thanks, > Lee > .- > Lee, Sorry for the lack of clarity. Stuart Quimby runs a catalog service called Design Science Toys. All kinds of models, kits, toys, etc. having to do with Fuller's geometry, Synergetics. E-mail him at stuq@mhv.net for a copy of his catalog. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 22:59:45 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: GENI on Australian Radio Joe Moore writes: >I think Kirby designed several items that Stu carries in his catalog, but I've >never asked him about it. Joe No, not correct. I wrote the essay on the BuckyBall (probably Stu carries that) -- Roger Gilbertson thought up the snap-together model itself). And T.t.t.that's All Folks. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 23:00:49 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: 4D: Re: GENI on Australian Radio Lee Nelson wrote: >> >>And no, Kirby didn't design anything in Stu's catalog (wishes he did). >>He wrote the BuckyBall essay (but didn't think up the ball itself -- that >>was Roger Gilbertson's brain child) and he may be writing more vis-a-vis >>Roger's Connection, also not his design. >> >>Kirby >Excuse a newbie for perhaps asking the obvious, but who is Stu and what is >his catalog? Could this be Stewart Brand and the Whole Earth Catalog? >Thanks, > Lee Stuart Quimby Design Science Toys ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 22:53:39 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Anthony Kalenak Organization: The Pipeline Subject: test Pardon me. I need to test my postability. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 23:25:51 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Anthony Kalenak Organization: The Pipeline Subject: Re: design science revolution essay I enjoy the streamline/art deco of the 30s and 40s. This was a period of imagination and flair. While the scientific principles of streamlining are rationally applicable to objects moving thru a fluid there is dubious need for streamlining a toaster (other than perhaps cleanability). However, the style is is pleasing (to many) and isnt creating pleasure a function. "Design for the real world" focuses on the waste of conspicuous consumption, frivolous and inefficient products, and the neglect of the third world by industrial design. A good point . I see Fuller as design scientist, to be a purist in the harshist sense of the word similar to the Bahaus. Got the job done, in the most efficient manner but would you want to live with it every day for 30 years (or even 1 year). I think he points the way to a more efficient use of materials , etal. But we NEED color, texture variation to maintain quality of life. I feel that we need design to incorporate all of these factors for a balence in our lives. tony ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:11:48 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Design >>data. If you admit that this premise about houses and cars being >>deliberately mis-engineered is valid, then you could make the case that >>world technological history has been stunted and warped since about >>1935, and that we are all suffering from those decisions in one way or >>another. As a matter of fact I went car shopping just last night. > > i would like to have a list of the best books about design, for > my second list of study includes design. which means i will be reading > few articles hear and there . i landed on a book about Italian > design. and i realize that if i went to this kind of litreture > i might have understood Fuller better. > > i like the subject, but i do not know if i can say anything. > so i am jutting random ideas. Fuller mention an american designer > who was overshadowed ( his idea was that function is the essential > part ) i think is Stevensen (an artitect) > from new york i can hardly remmber. > but i would not exclude all design to be only for markting. > there are million of objects that are quite functional and economical > fuller mention boeing 437, how about the carbon plane > how about scientific instruments. > the reason i just talk becuse i find the subject fasenating. > or am i crazy. so even fuller design is dry, he lead the way to comprehensive design which means dealing with the whole rather than just make a new product. critical path takes the longest time, but it is the most effiecient. from German Hohmann calculating the best path to Mars.(1916) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:28:03 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Trip to Canada If you traveling north west becuse it is the shortest way to north america from Europe then you start your journy on one of the tringles of the icosa which has the volume of about 5 million mile rombic dodechedron if you have the map you can see which tringle number is that when you are in the air you are attracted by gravity to the earth but also to the sun there is changing geometry while the plane is flying, you really traveling in space around the enviroment of the sun the sun is moving 24 mile a second or close so you are totally changing geometrical configuration while you are shiped by the sun which 30 0000 light years from the milky way center the earth meanwhile is spining changing the apearance of the sun i will try to write a better version of this senario ariva detche type writers, calculating machines accelerated the enviroment around the first part of the century. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:18:28 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: design science revolution essay Walt (klockley@delphi.com) wrote [and I paraphrase]: >I thought I'd post this little essay in hopes that it will stir up some >discussion about the phrase 'Design Science Revolution. >Fuller wrote the foreward to a book called "Design for the Real >World," by the Scandanavian designer-radical Victor Papanek. Fuller >indicates in that foreward that the two are working along similar but >separate tracks with a great deal of mutual respect. >But the relatedness of their work is not made explicit in that book. >Papanek rails, sometimes in fairly acidic terms, against designers who >are serving only their clients, with frivolous and sometimes fatal results >for the general public. Papanek is 100% right. The current metaphor for "bad design" in my not-so humble opinion is the millions of VCRs that continue to blink "12:00"... "12:00"... "12:00" after 10 years of production, research and "market-segment focus groups". Check out the Discovery Channel. They SELL tapes of the program just shown with a short ad that follows the program. What is wrong with this picture? It indicates that many folks can't even find the "record" button to tape a program while they are watching it!!! >Fuller was first famous for two specific industrial designs in the >late twenties, the Dymaxion Car and the Dymaxion House, before he >went on to develop geodesic domes, tensegrity, an alternative geometry, >etc. Fuller did some radical stuff. He did not "improve" existing designs (a la Papanek), but created entire new concepts, and "products" that met the demands of those concepts. Fuller actualy INTRODUCED a certain amount of "bad design", since some of his radical new thinking did not fit with the "environment" of consumer products at the time. For example, a dome has a circular footprint, and most furniture is very rectalinear (beds, couches, etc). Of course, Fuller was not trying to "meet the currecnt need of the consumer", so he can be forgiven for the occasional dissonance between his concepts and the "state of the art" in consumer crapolla of the time. Papanek was most harsh with "stylists" who created useless garbage through "styling" such simple items as a salt shaker to the point where one could not tell salt from pepper. Bucky could never be called a "stylist", since most of his work had "beauty" that came from the structural components (for example, the octet-truss). >The premise is this: both the car and the house are engineered >objects which have been deliberately and systematically mis-engineered >to increase manufacturers' profits. I don't buy this sort of conspiracy theory. I have stopped seeing a sniper behind every grassy knoll. I think if you look at other "design science books" (for example, I like everything written by Henry Petroski - two of his best are "The Pencil" and 'The Evolution Of Useful Things") the main conclusion is that things change slowly, one problem at a time is addressed in the attempt to make a "new improved" widget, and that the majority of attempts are massive failures. Fuller was a "visonary", in that he made no concessions to the current state-of-the-art, ignored marketing issues, and designed/built radical departures from the basic themes of the time. Sadly, it was so different that it had limited appeal to the masses. No big surprise. >So for me, Fuller's Design Science Revolution means the effort to apply >rational design principles to the house, the car, and every other livingry >artifact, led by human need and dimension instead of marketing data. Yeah, and starting fresh with a whole new approach can be hazardous to one's perception. I just got back from a demo where I showed one of my software toys to another large regional telephone operating company. It is a radical departure from their ivy-covered (perhaps moss?) method, and about half the people who came to the session were very upset about the radical nature of the departure. They wanted to automate an existing process. I never automate, I obliterate! (I like the phrase so much that this is a registered service mark of my shell corporation) The process itself was brain-damaged in the extreme, so the redesign of the process had to be done before any automation could be used to "help". The good news is that 4 other telcos use and like the toy, and have been through the required visits to their shrink to help them deal with the massive amount of change brought by the system. I can point to the others, and say "they could deal with it, and they liked it once they got over their fear." The problem is that most folks want to simply "automate" their workflow "as is". This means that the process of automation simply makes disaster occur at speeds in the MIPS range, whereas the manual method allowed humans to deal with the disasters as a normal part of the (slower) workflow. Therefore, most people RESIST massive change. Those who attempt to "sell" change must be very very careful. Those who "buy" change must be willing to bet their jobs on the success of the effort. High reward, high risk. No way around it. There is no problem that cannot be resolved with a smile and a semi-automatic weapon james fischer jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:18:40 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: Horse power >james Watt, who was born in 1736, lived in great britain when the first >crude steam engines were being used to pump water from the coal mines. >he produced the first modern steam engine and measured its rate of >working(power)by comparing it to the rate of working of a horse. Yeah, but he used brewery dray horses as his reference standard, which are better at pulling than many other breeds. >as a result of many experiments, he estimated that a horse could do 550 >foot-pounds of work in a second. Watt defined this rate of working as one >horse-power. Not quite true - he measured a figure, and then multiplied it by 1.5 to get the 550 ft-lbs per sec figure. He did this "in order to rate his steam engines conservatively in terms of horsepower". In other words, a 10HP steam engine was capable of delivering the actual power of 15 dray horses. (As I recall, I learned this bit of trivia from Desmond Morris' book named "Horsewatching". He quotes Watt, so I presume he got his hands on Watt's notebooks.) Therefore the dray horses Watt tested could put out only 366.66 ft-lbs per sec. These could have been anything from Clydesdales to generic draft horses, one would presume that each breed has a nominal "performance". For a typical pleasure horse, I would de-rate from the 366.66 number to roughly 250. I would not want to ask a horse to hurt itself! When in doubt, use a winch. >the Romans limited the horse carrying capacity to 500 kg.(kirrby >please correct) becuse they did not know how to harness the horse >correctlly. This is true in concept- look at the harnesses in their art. The horse would hurt itself by pulling hard. I doubt the 500 kg number, given my observations above. >does any one know of good books in the same level in history of >thechnolgy till our age. My favorite is "The Lever Of Riches" by Joel Mokyr - a bit dense, but decent coverage as a "grand overview". There is no problem that cannot be resolved with a smile and a semi-automatic weapon james fischer jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:39:10 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: design science revolution essay In-Reply-To: <199508241516.LAA15450@crucible.inmind.com>; from "jfischer" at Aug 24, 95 11:18 am James, I like the way you think. Keep up the excellent analysis. Joe. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:55:46 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Horse power > For a typical pleasure horse, I would de-rate from the > 366.66 number to roughly 250. I would not want to ask > a horse to hurt itself! When in doubt, use a winch. > >>the Romans limited the horse carrying capacity to 500 kg.(kirrby >>please correct) becuse they did not know how to harness the horse >>correctlly. > > This is true in concept- look at the harnesses in their art. > The horse would hurt itself by pulling hard. > I doubt the 500 kg number, given my observations above. > well, you know quite a bit about horses. i just like to add that in the begining of the century 30 horse power engin was beautful thing but it weighted as much as small car. where now you can have 70 horse power toked under the hood and i also read that you need 70 horse power to run an airplane. can you say more. if any is intresed they can discusse energy effiecient use. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:31:02 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: design science revolution essay Walt -- I enjoyed your essay. I'm not sure what the moral of the story should be -- not that stories need to have a moral. Is it the evil auto industry, or the fickle consumer we need to address? I recall a science fiction story called the "March of the Morons" where consumers have been dumbed down to the point where high speed fans on mounted in the car give the illusion of speed ("ain't this great?"). Educated consumers who care about fuel efficiency, for example, drive the design process back towards substantive improvement. The "oil crisis" (according to Fuller, more marketing hype playing on our ignorance) sparked a new focus on miles per gallon, and the advent of the Japanese car did the same (which Detroit tried to fight by hyping nationalism at first, rather than taking a look at its own sorry product). For me, the Design Science Revolution means raising consumer awareness to a point where hype backfires. World Game is about trying to get a very clear picture (as clear as we can) about what the world wants and needs, and then working backwards from there towards designs. Given what the world wants and needs, what can we say about the kinds of vehicles and shelters we'd like to have? I would also add to your essay Fuller's criticisms of architecture, which parallel the ones you give re car design. E.g. architects were focusing on style, becoming fancy interior decorators, rather than paying attention to the engineering fundamentals. Lastly, on the question of aesthetics, I think there's a lot of truth in that statement that if you design to optimize, using the best engineering knowledge available, what you come up with will have beauty, because its integrity, functionality, intelligence, will shine through. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:27:51 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Nov. 9 (fwd) Shrsharkey@aol.com writes: > From emout04.mail.aol.com!aol.com!shrsharkey Thu Aug 24 11:31:23 1995 > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:31:49 -0400 > From: Shrsharkey@aol.com > Message-ID: <950824143148_82388516@emout04.mail.aol.com> > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > cc: EdApple@aol.com, ace@isr.harvard.edu, HFWPerk@aol.com, > pdx4d@teleport.com, kiyoshi@critpath.org, gray@nsrl31.nsrl.rochester.edu > Subject: Nov. 9 > > Realize I could post this myself, but thought you might have a more > appropriate way to do so............ > > ANNOUNCEMENT: > > Another event in honor of Bucky's 100th is scheduled for Nov. 9, 1995: > Cathedral of St. John the Divine, 113th & Amsterdam Ave., New York, NY. 5-8 > p.m. Exhibit 8-9:30 p.m. Centenary Celebration. > Free and open to the public. > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 09:28:11 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: CONFERENCES QUOTE: >From mail04.mail.aol.com!aol.com!shrsharkey Wed Aug 23 16:08:28 1995 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by cruzio.cruzio.com id aa12473; 23 Aug 95 16:08 PDT Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA18269; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 1 9:12:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:12:40 -0400 From: Shrsharkey@aol.com Message-ID: <950823191239_61693504@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: pdx4d@teleport.com cc: joemoore@cruzio.com, EdApple@aol.com, ace@isr.harvard.edu, HFWPerk@aol.com, kiyoshi@critpath.org, gray@nsrl31.nsrl.rochester.edu Subject: 4-D Status: RO Kirby, Thanks for sending your chronicler - had already read it on listserv geodesic. Recently wrote the following for next issue of Trimtab (at Allegra's request). Certainly nothing earth-shattering but if you want to use any of it you're welcome to. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bucky's centenary year was kicked off with two meetings in Cambridge, Mass., on April 21-23, 1995. (1)BUCKMINSTER FULLER CENTENARY FORUM A one-day public symposium, "The Global Impact of Bucky," on April 21, was co-sponsored by MIT's Department of Architecture and Datuk Lim Chong Keat (Architect and Urban Designer, Malaysia and Singapore). The afternoon session, "Structure, Form, Shelter," chaired by Stanford Anderson, Head, Dept. of Arch., included: Thomas T. K. Zung (Architect, Partner: Fuller, Sadao & Zung; Ohio) presented a slide show, "The Artifacts of Buckminster Fuller". Don Richter (Exec. V.P. (Emeritus): Temcor Domes; California) presented pairs of quarks and crumpled paper as illustration of geodesic dome principles. Chuck Hoberman (Hoberman Associates, Inc.; New York) displayed his unfolding tensional sculptures. Amy Edmondson (Author, A Fuller Explanation; Harvard) outlined a social science approach to design science. Y.C. Wong (Buckminster Fuller Scholar; MIT) described the 4-D House as a model for "the removal of selfishness." The evening session, "World Thought," was chaired by Arthur L. Loeb, Head, Dept. of Visual and Environmental Studies, Harvard, and included: Edgar J. Applewhite (Author, Fuller's collaborator on Synergetics; Wash., D.C.) presented Fuller's early critical views on architectural practice. Shoji Sadao (Architect, Partner: Fuller & Sadao; Director: Noguchi Museum; NY) described Fuller's design legacy. Garry Davis (Founder: World Service Authority; VT) spoke of World Citizenship. Kiyoshi Kuromiya (Writer & AIDS treatment activist, Adjuvant for RBF's Cosmography and Critical Path, PA) presented a unique personal appraisal of Fuller's accomplishments. Lim Chong Keat discussed Fuller's impact on worldwide social and technological issues. (2) CAMPUAN 7 The Centenary Forum was followed on April 22-23, by Campuan 7. The Campuan Meetings were first initiated in 1976 and convened by Bucky, Austin Coates, and Lim Chong Keat. Bucky called them world meetings at which to share global or universal experiences and invitees have always attended on their own volition, at their own expense and in their personal capacity. Campuan 1 & 2 were held at Campuan, near Ubud, in Bali. The temple at Campuan made a mystical impact, standing at the conflux of two rivers, an inspiration for coming together, "so it came to pass, not to stay." Bucky attended Campuan 1-4, (3 & 4 took place in Penang, Malaysia). During Bucky's last session, on February 17, 1983, he received news that he was to be awarded the Medal of Freedom from the President of the United States. The Campuan Meetings have continued since Bucky's death. Campuan 5 & 6 also took place in Penang, Malaysia. Campuan 7 was co-convened by Lim Chong Keat, Shoji Sadao, and Shirley Sharkey. Another Centenary Forum and Campuan 8 is being organized in Cambridge, England, on November 24-26, 1995. END QUOTE. JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:06:32 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: CONFERENCES Shrsharkey@aol.com writes: > From mail04.mail.aol.com!aol.com!shrsharkey Wed Aug 23 16:08:28 1995 > 9:12:40 -0400 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:12:40 -0400 > From: Shrsharkey@aol.com > Message-ID: <950823191239_61693504@mail04.mail.aol.com> > To: pdx4d@teleport.com > cc: joemoore@cruzio.com, EdApple@aol.com, ace@isr.harvard.edu, > HFWPerk@aol.com, kiyoshi@critpath.org, gray@nsrl31.nsrl.rochester.edu > Subject: 4-D > > Kirby, > > Thanks for sending your chronicler - had already read it on listserv > geodesic. > > Recently wrote the following for next issue of Trimtab (at Allegra's > request). Certainly nothing earth-shattering but if you want to use any of > it you're welcome to. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bucky's centenary year was kicked off with two meetings in Cambridge, Mass., > on April 21-23, 1995. > > > (1)BUCKMINSTER FULLER CENTENARY FORUM > > A one-day public symposium, "The Global Impact of Bucky," on April 21, was > co-sponsored by MIT's Department of Architecture and Datuk Lim Chong Keat > (Architect and Urban Designer, Malaysia and Singapore). > > The afternoon session, "Structure, Form, Shelter," chaired by Stanford > Anderson, Head, Dept. of Arch., included: > > Thomas T. K. Zung (Architect, Partner: Fuller, Sadao & Zung; Ohio) > presented a slide show, "The Artifacts of Buckminster Fuller". > > Don Richter (Exec. V.P. (Emeritus): Temcor Domes; California) presented > pairs of quarks and crumpled paper as illustration of geodesic dome > principles. > > Chuck Hoberman (Hoberman Associates, Inc.; New York) displayed his > unfolding tensional sculptures. > > Amy Edmondson (Author, A Fuller Explanation; Harvard) outlined a social > science approach to design science. > > Y.C. Wong (Buckminster Fuller Scholar; MIT) described the 4-D House as a > model for "the removal of selfishness." > > The evening session, "World Thought," was chaired by Arthur L. Loeb, Head, > Dept. of Visual and Environmental Studies, Harvard, and included: > > Edgar J. Applewhite (Author, Fuller's collaborator on Synergetics; Wash., > D.C.) presented Fuller's early critical views on architectural practice. > > Shoji Sadao (Architect, Partner: Fuller & Sadao; Director: Noguchi Museum; > NY) described Fuller's design legacy. > > Garry Davis (Founder: World Service Authority; VT) spoke of World > Citizenship. > > Kiyoshi Kuromiya (Writer & AIDS treatment activist, Adjuvant for RBF's > Cosmography and Critical Path, PA) presented a unique personal appraisal > of Fuller's accomplishments. > > Lim Chong Keat discussed Fuller's impact on worldwide social and > technological issues. > > > (2) CAMPUAN 7 > > The Centenary Forum was followed on April 22-23, by Campuan 7. The Campuan > Meetings were first initiated in 1976 and convened by Bucky, Austin Coates, > and Lim Chong Keat. Bucky called them world meetings at which to share > global or universal experiences and invitees have always attended on their > own volition, at their own expense and in their personal capacity. Campuan 1 > & 2 were held at Campuan, near Ubud, in Bali. The temple at Campuan made a > mystical impact, standing at the conflux of two rivers, an inspiration for > coming together, "so it came to pass, not to stay." > > Bucky attended Campuan 1-4, (3 & 4 took place in Penang, Malaysia). During > Bucky's last session, on February 17, 1983, he received news that he was to > be awarded the Medal of Freedom from the President of the United States. > > The Campuan Meetings have continued since Bucky's death. Campuan 5 & 6 also > took place in Penang, Malaysia. > > Campuan 7 was co-convened by Lim Chong Keat, Shoji Sadao, and Shirley > Sharkey. > > Another Centenary Forum and Campuan 8 is being organized in Cambridge, > England, on November 24-26, 1995. > > END QUOTE. > > > JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 > CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:33:31 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: digest fLUX-staff Subject: Re: Books - Out of print Dear Joe: > Make me an offer. Don't forget to include the cost of postage. The two books together weigh less than two pounds. We can send you a limited edition CD + $30. Frank Rothkamm /\ / G \ /____\ ~~~~~fLUX_NYC~~~~~ ~~~~Box 2141~~~~ ~~~New York~~~ ~~ NY 10163~~ ---------- Dadua@aol.com 1-718-599-9377 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:24:44 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: MAP COORDINATES Comments: To: rwgrey9@vivanet.com Comments: cc: Synergetics List LATITUDINAL-LONGITUDINAL ORIENTATION OF SPHERICAL ICOSAHEDRON VERTEXIAL CONTROL POINTS ON FULLER DYMAXION AIR-OCEAN WORLD MAP # _LOCATION__ DEG MIN SECS DIR #. __L_O_C_A_T_I_O_N___ DEG MIN SECS DIR 1. CHINA 039 32 20.6 N 7. ARGENTINA 039 32 20.6 S 121 30 19.8 E 058 29 40.2 W 2. NORWAY 064 45 00.0 N 8. ANTARCTICA 064 45 00.0 S 008 30 00.0 E 171 30 00.0 W 3. ARABIAN SEA 010 50 58.5 N 9. PITCAIRN ISLAND 010 50 58.5 S 057 06 56.6 E 122 53 03.4 W 4. LIBERIA 002 39 01.4 N 10. GILBERT ISLANDS 002 39 01.4 S 006 11 55.6 W 173 48 04.4 E 5. PUERTO RICO 023 14 45.4 N 11. AUSTRALIA 023 14 45.4 S 068 11 17.5 W 111 48 52.5 E 6. ALASKA 049 50 07.6 N 12. PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND 049 50 07.6 S 143 56 56.3 W 036 03 03.7 E -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 18:33:19 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: NATURE'S GEOMETRY Comments: To: Synergetics List NATURE'S GEOMETRY by Joe S. Moore Revised 9-25-95 +-------------------+ + \\__ __// __// \\__ \ \__ __/ / __/ / \ \__ \ \_ _/ / _/ / \ \_ \ + / +-------------------+ \ | / |\ / \ /| \ | / | \ / \ / | \ | / | \ / | \ | / | / \ / \ | \|/ |/ \ / \| Tetrahedron + +-----\-------/-----+ \__ \ / __/ \__\ /__/ \\ // Octahedron + ,gs. _/\!VK~=c. ,v~ i` `G_.'~=_. v/` __v==~~iV/~\=c2)=_. ,mZ==~~v ,!'/c '~\YNs |\\_ v` / '(c ,_=/`d | \.\d_____./,___2s\-~` @ | \.~i i` /c\. iY | ,!.'c ,! / \). ]] | / 'i t / i` '(i /] | ,! 'c /, [ Vs [] | / 'mL2____2________2W ] |i` _v=~ t c i i`\d |WmX___. \ 'c! ____v=-v`=Tf ~=_ '~~ \/V7~ / ,/` ~=_ \.\ ,/ v` ~=_ \.[ ,!v~ ~=_ !/. v\/ ~=2Wd/` Icosahedron ~` Although the discovery of the geometrical basis for all of nature's designs was published by R. Buckminster Fuller over thirty years ago, "modern" science and society still does not seem to be aware of this monumental achievement! All of the physical universe is made out of ENERGY either radiant or tied up in knots called atoms. Energy can not stand still; energy is always in motion; therefore, energy is always moving in some DIRECTION. The motion of energy is measured by so many units of distance per units of TIME. The idea of time is inherent in the concept of motion. Motion and time only exist together. No energy, no motion; no motion, no time; no time, no energy. It's all or nothing. All 3 only exist together. They are the holy trinity of the physical universe. ------------- So, energy has shape, but WHAT shape? A given amount of ENERGY traveling in some DIRECTION for a certain amount of TIME is called a "vector". By experimentation it can be demonstrated that the ONLY self-stabilizing combination of vectors is the triangle. ------------------ So, nature is building everything out of triangles, but WHAT? For some thing to be called "matter" it must have an inside and an outside, otherwise it is called "radiation". Anything with an inside and an outside is called a "system". By experimentation it can be demonstrated that the tetrahedron is the minimum shape or system that energy can take. The minimum "thing" or system in the universe has to be a tetrahedron. Anything less is not a system and does not have the properties of a system. -------------------- Systems can be made out of triangles, but how many? By experimentation it can be demonstrated that only three basic systems can be constructed out of equilateral triangles: tetrahedra, octahedra, and icosahedra. Therefore, all of nature must be built up from some combination or multiple of only those three basic systems! Synergetics is the geometry of energy. For further information see: 'The Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller' 1973 by Robert Marks & R. Buckminster Fuller pages 142-47. 'Synergetics' 1975 by R. Buckminster Fuller sec.600-10.00 'Synergetics II' 1979 by R. Buckminster Fuller sec.600.00 'Fuller's Earth' 1984 by Richard J. Brenneman pages 91-92. 'A Fuller Explanation' 1987 by Amy C. Edmondson pages 38-39. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 22:31:31 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: 4D: NATURE'S GEOMETRY Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Youch! Joe! That's one wierd-lookin' icosahedron. What's with all the punctuation? Something your Amiga must attach special meaning to I suppose. I think a lot of people following this list have read quite a bit of synergetics (not to say page/number citations aren't useful nonetheless). But part of our intellectual integrity is not to pass on what we don't get. So lots of synergetics is bottling up in a new generation of wine bottles, there to ferment, perhaps to mature into aromatic new elixirs at some point. In the meantime, keep stompin' those grapes! Kirby > > ,gs. > _/\!VK~=c. > ,v~ i` `G_.'~=_. > v/` __v==~~iV/~\=c2)=_. > ,mZ==~~v ,!'/c '~\YNs > |\\_ v` / '(c ,_=/`d > | \.\d_____./,___2s\-~` @ > | \.~i i` /c\. iY > | ,!.'c ,! / \). ]] > | / 'i t / i` '(i /] > | ,! 'c /, [ Vs [] > | / 'mL2____2________2W ] > |i` _v=~ t c i i`\d > |WmX___. \ 'c! ____v=-v`=Tf > ~=_ '~~ \/V7~ / ,/` > ~=_ \.\ ,/ v` > ~=_ \.[ ,!v~ > ~=_ !/. v\/ > ~=2Wd/` > Icosahedron ~` > ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 17:51:06 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: DaddyData@AOL.COM Subject: Subscription Please e-mail information about the geodesic mailing list. I am interested in geodesic plans or CAD programs to design domes. Thank you Jim ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 11:48:34 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: MISC Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199508271618.AA09351@unix.nets.com>; from "chardhawk@nets.com" at Aug 27, 95 9:58 am Richard, I think you are doing a fantastic job--a real service to humanity. I so envy you having a Silicon Graphics graphical workstation. Someday I may have the hardware and software to view your work. I can just imagine it from the verbal descriptions for now. Kirby, Thank you for starting the online Bucky newsletter. We've needed something like that for a long time. Informative, timely, objective, independent, free, and totally voluntary. Now everyone can know what's going on in Buckyland if they want to. You mentioned something about a CNN retrospective on Bucky. Hadn't heard about that. Could you supply us with some details? I found some software that converts pics to ASCII. That's how the icosa graphic came about. It's sort of crude but I thought I'de throw it out there and see if anyone could make some improvements on it. Chris, I've decided to try to learn HTML. I downloaded the files from the site you mentioned, but it will take me a while to digest it and get up to speed. When I finally do I will send you some stuff. I've collected about 400k of Bucky bibliographical files, not counting the stuff at Richard's site. To those who have sent me update items for the BFVI: I will be adding your items and when there are sufficient changes to warrant reposting, I will do so. Ed, >From now on I will refer to Bucky's map as the "Fuller Projection". Also, from now on I will refer to Synergetics by section numbers--not page numbers. Thank you for suggesting these more logical ways of referring to Fuller's work. Everybody, I invite criticism of my "Nature's Geometry" poopsheet on a line by line basis. Any takers? Also, it appears that the BFI is in great need of money and volunteers. I know Allegra would never ask, but I will: anyone out there willing to donate time and/or money to the BFI? They are really trying to get online. A web page at first; maybe a server computer later. I do think they are now heading in the right direction. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 17:42:32 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: 4D: MISC Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com >Kirby, > >Thank you for starting the online Bucky newsletter. We've needed something >like that for a long time. Informative, timely, objective, independent, free, >and totally voluntary. Now everyone can know what's going on in Buckyland if >they want to. > >You mentioned something about a CNN retrospective on Bucky. Hadn't heard >about that. Could you supply us with some details? Something they put together awhile ago -- did CNN even exist in 1983? Might have been a retrospective. Anyway, they were reairing it around Bucky's centennial birthday. I saw it on my computer screen: Blaine D'Amico uploaded it from CDROM, sound and all. Pretty cool (postage stamp sized picture, but fun to have playing in a window) -- maybe part of some CDROM, if someone manages to get permission from Turner. >I found some software that converts pics to ASCII. That's how the icosa >graphic came about. It's sort of crude but I thought I'de throw it out there >and see if anyone could make some improvements on it. You're the master of ASCII art. Some of us don't normally have newsreaders in fixed pitched font (which we should, since lots of good sigs have ASCII art too), so your pix come through screwy. But they're more accessible to some than the uuencoded GIFs and JPGs -- although these latter are 'real' pictures, and have a lot goin' for them. I know you have lots of those too (on file at the NewCiv site). >I invite criticism of my "Nature's Geometry" poopsheet on a line by line basis. >Any takers? Maybe paragraph by paragraph. We'll see. Still fighting to get my computer into shape, since the upgrade to Win95 (me and a million other poor slobs). My MIDI sound driver doesn't seem up to the new environment (sigh). >Also, it appears that the BFI is in great need of money and volunteers. I >know Allegra would never ask, but I will: anyone out there willing to donate >time and/or money to the BFI? They are really trying to get online. A web >page at first; maybe a server computer later. I do think they are now heading >in the right direction. I'm not sure how much money is really needed to get a web page up. Charles Scott of OneWorld Computers in Santa Barbara may have space available. There is free space elsewhere for educational and nonprofit orgs to do some basic HTML. Mark Kelly is the web guru at BFI right now. Joe, if you want to help move things along, you could call some morning, Pacific Time, and ask to speak to Mark Kelly. Jaime told me he's there most mornings. Tell him you're asking on behalf of all the internet heads who can't wait to link to BFI's pages. Then you can fill us in on what you learn. Just an idea. Something any one of us could do. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 22:13:16 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Crandall Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: Buckminster Fuller Institute - Where? In order to further explore my quest for materials by and about Bucky, I called San Jose Information Operator and asked for the number of the Buckminster Fuller Institute. No such number... I am preparing to take a trip there, if there is such a place. Information posted here would be appreciated. - Mark -- - - - - - - - - - - Mark Crandall Fairwest - R&D Department 9508 Carroll Canyon Road, Suite 206 San Diego, CA 92131 Voice 619-693-0576, Fax 619-693-0778 crandall@netcom.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 19:40:00 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Buckminster Fuller Institute - Where? In-Reply-To: ; from "Mark Crandall" at Aug 25, 95 10:13 pm Mark Crandall writes: > > In order to further explore my quest for materials by and about Bucky, I > called San Jose Information Operator and asked for the number of the > Buckminster Fuller Institute. No such number... I am preparing to take a > trip there, if there is such a place. Information posted here would be > appreciated. - Mark > -- > - - - - - - - - - - > Mark Crandall > Fairwest - R&D Department > 9508 Carroll Canyon Road, Suite 206 > San Diego, CA 92131 > Voice 619-693-0576, Fax 619-693-0778 > crandall@netcom.com > .- > The BFI is now located in Santa Barbara, California Their phone # is 805-962-0022; e-mail is BFI@aol.com Their street address is 2040 Alameda Padre Serra, Suite 224 Call ahead first as they are staffed just by volunteers which is sort of iffy If you are lucky enough to find them open, don't be surprised if you are put to work answering the phone and filling orders from their catalog, emptying trash cans and running miscellaneous errands. If you are real lucky you might get to meet Bucky's daughter, Allegra. She's retired now and volunteers one or two days a week I think. It's an interesting place to spend one's vacation. Lots of models built by Bucky or his staff all over the place. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 19:51:43 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: HEXAFLEXAGON Someone a few days ago was asking about the "Hexaflexagon". An article about it appeared in the October 1984 issue of _OMNI_ magazine, pages 93-6? Has to do with a model of DNA. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 18:01:40 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: thomas@OBC.IS.NET Organization: OBC Subject: Dome Neophyte Seeks Source Info Howdy. Just recently became interested in domes as possible next home, and am fishing for a list of reputable companies who provide the kits... Any/all help greatly appreciated. Thomas -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 18:48:52 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jim Bowery Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: Oblivion or Utopia The computer is here: http://if.arc.ab.ca/IF.shtml -- The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population. The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival. Change the tools and you change the rules. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:23:07 -0400 Reply-To: Shrsharkey Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Shrsharkey Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Buckminster Fuller Institute - Where? The BFI is at 2040 Alameda Padre Serra #224, Santa Barbara, CA 93103 Phone: (805) 962-0022 Fax: (805) 962-4440 Shirley ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 19:40:01 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Anthony Kalenak Organization: The Pipeline Subject: Re: Oblivion or Utopia Amen. I think that was the intial source of Americas greatness & why space exploration is important to the survival and vitality of humanity. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:41:39 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Preliminary announcement of GLH in October (fwd) Tak Utsumi writes: > From cc13ss.unity.ncsu.edu!listserv.ncsu.edu!mission-earth Mon Aug 28 04:39:11 1995 > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 07:46:24 -0400 > Posted-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 07:46:24 -0400 > Message-Id: > Errors-To: cwm@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu > Reply-To: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Originator: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Sender: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Precedence: bulk > From: Tak Utsumi > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Subject: Preliminary announcement of GLH in October > X-Listserver-Version: 6.0 -- UNIX ListServer by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Comment: Discussion forum on simulation to aid in world planning and surviva l > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: > August 27, 1995 TAKESHI UTSUMI > Chairman, GLOSAS/USA > 718-939-0928 > > PRELIMINARY ANNOUNCEMENT > > "Global Lecture Hall (GLH)" (TM) > (multipoint-to-multipoint multimedia interactive videoconference) > for > "AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE GLOBAL ELECTRONIC DISTANCE EDUCATION" > at the occasion of > The VIth International Conference on Distance Education: > "TECHNOLOGY AND DISTANCE EDUCATION: SHARING EXPERIENCES AROUND THE WORLD" > Universidad Estatal a Distancia > San Jose, Costa Rica > October 25, 1995 > 9:00 am to 12:00 noon (Costa Rica Time) > 10:00 am to 1:00 pm (Eastern Time/U.S.A.) > <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> > > DELIVERY AND RANGE: > > (a) U.S. Domsat (Ku-band): North America > (b) INTELSAT (C-band): Central and South America, the Caribbean > (c) INTELSAT-K (Ku-band): Western, Central and Eastern Europe, Scandi- > navia, Baltic, Ukraine, Western Russia, Medi- > terranean, etc. > (d) INTELSAT (C-band): Africa > (e) Internet: Around the world with CU-SeeMe and MBONE > (f) ISDN: Around the world with PictureTel, etc. > > TENTATIVE SCHEDULES (Costa Rica Time): > > 8:00 am Start testing > 9:00 am Opening remark; Dr. Takeshi Utsumi, Chairman of GLOSAS/USA, > President of Global University/USA (from Athens, OH) > 9:05 am Greetings; Dr. Don Flournoy, Director of Institute for Telecom- > munications Studies, Ohio University (from Athens, OH) > 9:10 am Demonstration of experiential learning by virtual laboratories > and simulation models with MBONE (text, graphics, image, white- > board, audio, and video (1 to 3 fps) at 200 Kbps) via Internet > in distributed mode; Dr. Don Brutzman, U.S. Naval Postgraduate > School (from Monterey, CA) > 9:30 am Greetings; Mr. Charles Fox, Director of WORLDNET Television and > Film Service, U.S. Information Agency (from Washington, D.C.) > 9:35 am Demonstration/presentation of FORUM computer-mediated multime- > dia conferencing system (CMMCS) via Internet; Dr. Bill Klemm, > Texas A&M University, -- an instructor and a student at differ- > ent locations will be seen in two split screens side-by-side > which will be sent via satellite (from Austin, TX) > 9:55 am Intermission > 10:00 am Greetings with PictureTel via digital switched service; Dr. > Tapio Varis of the University of Art & Design (Former Rector of > the U.N. University for Peace in Costa Rica and Executive > Advisor of GLOSAS/USA) (from Telecom Finland in Helsinki) > 10:05 am Greetings; President Robert Glidden of Ohio University (from > Athens, OH) > 10:08 am Greetings; Rector Dr. Celedonio Ramirez of the Universidad > Estatal a Distancia (from San Jose, Costa Rica) > 10:11 am Greetings; Mr. Colin Power, Assistant to Director General for > Education or Dr. Frederico Mayor, Director General of UNESCO > (from UNESCO/Paris headquarters) > > 2 > > 10:20 am Greetings; Dr. Armando Vargas Araya (Regional Director for > Latin America and the Caribbean of INMARSAT, former Minister of > Communication of Costa Rica, former Secretary General of Ulcra > (KLa.Am radio/tv organization)) (from INMARSAT/London Headquar- > ters) > 10:23 am Demonstration of nurse training course exchange with direct > portable dish-to-dish antenna connection of ShareView (with > text, graphics, image, whiteboard, audio, and video (10 to 15 > fps) at 9.6 Kbps) via INMARSAT in two-way, interactive mode > between Ohio University and Costa Rica conference site; Profes- > sor Jose Brenes, University of Costa Rica, Dr. Kathleen > Rose-Grippa of Ohio University and Mr. Jim Miller of SYNECTICS, > Inc. > 10:53 am Greetings with PictureTel via digital switched service; Dr. > Alexander Schure (former Chancellor of University Federation, a > consortium which created Nova Southeastern University) (from > Fort Lauderdale, FL) > 10:57 am Greetings; Dr. Eugenia Flores, President of the Costa Rica > Academy of Science (from San Jose, Costa Rica) > 11:00 am Presentation of Global SchoolHouse project with CU-SeeMe (black > and white video (10 to 15 frame per second [fps]) with Macin- > tosh and IBM compatible machines), including MAVEN audio con- > ference and slide window via Internet; Mr. George Brett, Direc- > tor of the Clearinghouse for Networked Information Discovery > and Retrieval (CNIDR) (from Research Triangle Park, NC) > 11:15 am Demonstration of KarlNet's 2 Mbps wireless telecom with > CU-SeeMe via Internet; Dr. Doug Karl, Director of Networking > and Communications, Ohio State University (from Columbus, OH) > 11:35 am Presentation of Global Telecommunications University project; > Dr. Renato Cortinovis, Training Officer of Human Resource > Development Division of the International Telecommunications > Union (ITU) (from Buenos Aires, Argentina) > 11:55 am Closing remark; Dr. Takeshi Utsumi > > > Our demonstration of direct portable dish-to-dish antenna connection > of computer-mediated multimedia system (CMMS; e.g., ShareView, etc.) via > INMARSAT at 9.6 Kbps will evolve to our next project: one-to-many, non- > interactive, broadcasting of CMMS via inexpensive narrow-band channel of > Direct Digital Broadcasting Satellite (DDBS) with receive-only multimedia > system (dubbed as "MultiMedia of America (MMOA)" (TM)), for those students > in rural and remote areas where there is no Internet node. Video of > instructor, handwriting in color on an electronic whiteboard, image/graphic > with annotation, dynamic graphic presentation by real-time execution of an > application program and simulation model, etc., can be seen in windows on > computer screen at students' sites. Once accomplished, this connection can > then be changed to interconnect with Internet for CU-SeeMe or MBONE video- > conferencing, World Wide Web, etc. These delivery systems will also be > augmented with the combined use of email, fax, FORUM, wireless telecom (for > local use) and packet-satellite (for transcontinental use) technologies, > for high levels of feedback and interaction between instructor and students > and among students, when American (and later other countries') educational > courses are sent to rural and remote areas of developing countries. > This GLH will also connect with a major public seminar "Center for > Global Connections" in Helsinki, Finland, to celebrate the 50th anniversary > of the United Nations, which has been organized by The Finnish UN Associa- > tion, The Helsinki University, the Finnish Broadcasting Company, Telecom > Finland, etc. > > 3 > > OBJECTIVES AND PURPOSES: > > Every GLH is an experiment in previously unexplored combining of > technological elements in a new manner. The objectives are usually three- > fold: (1) to test hybrid configurations of various technologies, (2) to > offer the participants a stage for meeting at a distance and gaining > confidence in the use of novel means of communication -- an opportunity for > hands-on "collaborative experiential learning" about the technologies and > their applications, and (3) to gain knowledge of the different needs in > various learner communities and the constraints (e.g., regulatory environ- > ment, etc.) that have thus far made sophisticated electronic distance > education (EDE) inaccessible to them. Many less developed countries are > with [a] no good analog voice grade telephone networks, and hence no good > Internet, [b] subsequently, no realization for the use of electronic > distance education, albeit its economical advantage to them. Therefore, > the purposes of the GLH are [1] to have participants view and compare > various advanced (yet affordable) delivery systems with technical and > economical pros and cons, [2] to stimulate interest of educators and > decision-makers in the less developed countries in global electronic > distance education. > > PARTICIPATION: > > The computer screen will be uplinked for worldwide broadcast. If you > have a satellite downlink facility and our satellite foot-prints cover your > area, you can receive our satellite signal. You can also participate with > your personal computer and/or workstation which are directly connected to > TCP/IP oriented Internet without use of satellite nor dish antenna. > Other than participation fee (*), all participants have to be respon- > sible for the costs of (1) down/uplinking from/to satellites; (2) telephone > call to a videoconference center at the Ohio University for Q&A; and (3) > sending fax to the center for backstage coordination. (*: Under regula- > tion, fee of participants with INTELSAT satellite will be waved, but they > are encouraged to donate to GLOSAS/USA.) > Please contact Takeshi Utsumi for registration form. Registrants > will then receive instructions for participation. > ********************************************************************** > * Takeshi Utsumi, Ph.D. * > * Laureate of Lord Perry Award for Excellence in Distance Education * > * Founder of CAADE * > * (Consortium for Affordable and Accessible Distance Education) * > * President, Global University in the U.S.A. (GU/USA) * > * A Divisional Activity of GLOSAS/USA * > * (GLObal Systems Analysis and Simulation Association in the U.S.A.) * > * 43-23 Colden Street, Flushing, NY 11355-3998, U.S.A. * > * Tel: 718-939-0928; Fax: 718-939-0656 (day time only--prefer email) * > * INTERNET: utsumi@columbia.edu; Tax Exempt ID: 11-2999676 * > ********************************************************************** > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:55:52 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Oblivion or Utopia In-Reply-To: ; from "Jim Bowery" at Aug 27, 95 6:48 pm Jim Bowery writes: > > The computer is here: > > http://if.arc.ab.ca/IF.shtml > > -- > The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population. > The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival. > Change the tools and you change the rules. > .- > Jim, I'm a little confused. What are you trying to tell us? What computer? -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:13:32 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jim Bowery Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: Re: Oblivion or Utopia Joe Moore (joemoore@CRUZIO.COM) wrote: : Jim, : I'm a little confused. What are you trying to tell us? What computer? In RBF's book "Utopia or Oblivion", if memory serves me correctly, he states that the general public will be subject to the lack of integrity that has so characterized political movements until the present, and that they will only recognize, in its full force, the choice between utopia and oblivion that faces us when an alternate to the human moral authorities (gurus, priests, academics, political leaders, "experts", media figures, etc.) arises and paints that picture in stark relief. That alternate authority would, RBF predicted, be a computer. The Idea Futures Exchange is a method of using computation to correlate human opinion in such a way as to exceed the accuracy and integrity of the Delphi method -- and therefore displace mere "masks" of computational authority such as those synthesized by The Club of Rome in their "Limits to Growth" and Peter Vajk in his "Doomsday is Canceled" (although I had a published system of differential equations running in a simulation prior to Vajk's which took into account nonterrestrial resources). -- The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population. The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival. Change the tools and you change the rules. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:31:41 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: 4D: Humorous nonsense of diminsionality (fwd) tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!synergetics-l-owner Mon Aug 28 11:57:38 1995 > From: tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl > X-Nupop-Charset: English > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 20:23:50 CST > Message-Id: <73435.tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl> > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: 4D: Humorous nonsense of diminsionality > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: list > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > > diminsion is related to mind, as one can let the imagination, for > now the mind is circled in 3 dimension conception. > > dimension is not lit, it is dying in darkness. > as if digested cubes are thrown out, vomited. > artistic conception of mathematics blend eastatically with dimension > of dark icosahedron and victors as such through sleep > to become poetry of antidesapearance. > > the hills made of madneing shapes of energy in the dark circts > of the brain nexsus of mind.. > dotes became flames of tringles . > philosphy became passion mixed with fear of integrial > field of geodesic transfer domain. > > 4 = 5 =+ 6 all complex untoninig of visual dimension > and troping vacume , and what if zero is the vertigo > where time starts multidimensionally counting the frequency. > the hororr of diminsions. > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:46:05 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Encyclopedia of Life Support Systems - Call for Contributions (fwd) CELLIER@hermes.ece.arizona.edu writes: > From hermes.ece.arizona.edu!cellier Mon Aug 28 17:38:16 1995 > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:39:46 -0700 (MST) > From: CELLIER@hermes.ece.arizona.edu > To: UPERInc@aol.com, Jouse@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu, > JRA@jupiter.risc.rockwell.com, Alden@hitl.washington.edu, > Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu, Amico@cs.ucf.edu, Araujo@cpdee.ufmg.br, > KJA@control.lth.se, Atherton@eaps.sussex.ac.uk > X-Vmsmail-To: @ERM_NEW > Message-Id: <950828163947.20203439@hermes.ece.arizona.edu> > Subject: Encyclopedia of Life Support Systems - Call for Contributions > > ******************************************** > ENCYCLOPEDIA OF LIFE SUPPORT SYSTEMS (EOLSS) > ******************************************** > > An authentic and comprehensive source of knowledge on > the essential systems of life support such as: > Water, Energy, Environment, Food, and Agriculture > > ============================================================================== = > > Dear Colleagues: > > With this letter, I wish to bring your attention to a major and exciting > development that is about to take place, the creation of a new encyclopedia > related to the reaching and maintaining of a stable equilibrium of our > spaceship Earth. > > As you all realize, mankind has come to a turning point, in that no new > frontiers are left to be explored on this globe of ours, in that there is no > more room for arbitrary and uncontrolled expansion; to a point, where careful > planning has become mandatory in order to transit our spaceship Earth from a > period of constant growth that has lasted since the beginning of history to > one of maintaining our limited resources in a careful and responsible manner. > Mankind is about to change from a state of adulescence to one of adulthood, > and with this change comes an increased level of responsibility to ourselves, > to our neighbors, and to our home: Spaceship Earth. > > The new encyclopedia will contain close to 50 volumes, an awesome > undertaking of formidable dimensions. For it to be meaningful, governments, > industries, and universities; politicians, scientists, educators, and the > individual citizen of this planet must work together in order to generate and > collect the knowledge needed to safely make it through this crucial transition al > phase, together with the commitment of using that knowledge in honest and > honorable ways by implementing the necessary policies that shall be derived fr om > such knowledge. > > Many an encyclopedia that was created in the past is dusting away on the > bookshelves of a few universities and governmental offices, for economical > reasons. Encyclopedias are expensive to produce, and therefore, they are > usually out of reach for the individual, or even for smaller companies or > colleges or schools. The initiators of EOLSS have realized this problem and > have come across generous funding sources that will enable them to distribute > EOLSS inexpensively on CD Rom to every university and even high school library > in this country and around the world. This should guarantee that the > encyclopedia will indeed be used, and that our efforts are not in vain. > > The initiators of this undertaking have realized the importance of Modelin g > and Simulation (M&S) as central and crucial tools in assessing the effects of > policies made prior to their implementation. Consequently, EOLSS shall contai n > an entire section related to M&S technologies and their implications to tackli ng > the task at hand. Bernard Zeigler and I have been asked to help put together > a section of EOLSS related to M&S methodology, tools, and LSS applications. > > With this letter, I solicit your input to this undertaking. Although the > final selection of the articles in this section will be made not solely on the > basis of the quality of the proposed articles, but taking into consideration > the comprehensiveness of coverage sought and the well-balance of the topics > covered, I would like to invite you all to send proposals (short abstracts, > not full articles at this time) to me, preferably by e_mail, so that we can > start putting a tentative table of contents of our section together for > consideration by the editorial board. Some of you have already been contacted > individually by either Bernie or me. Of course, those individuals don't need > to respond to this invitation once more expect by sending in their abstracts > in accordance with the agreed-upon time table. > > If you plan on responding to this open invitation, please, send me a short > notice at your earliest convenience to let me know of your intention. I would > like to receive the proposed title of your contribution with a short abstract no > later than September 30, so that we can go ahead with the endeavor in a timely > manner. We hope to complete the table of contents in October, with approval > by the editorial board expected in November, after which the authors of the > successful proposals will be informed at once. We expect the full manuscripts > to be written and reviewed within about a year from now. > > I would also like to bring your attention to two related events: > > 1. Mission Earth'96, a symposium to be held as part of the Western Simulation > MultiConference (WMC'96), convened at the Hyatt Regency, La Jolla, Calif. > January 14-17, 1996, and > > 2. Artificial Intelligence, Simulation, and Planning in High Autonomy Systems , > a conference to be held in San Diego, Calif., March 23-27, 1996, with > special EOLSS sessions > > about which I shall report shortly to all of you. One way to enhance the > chance of your contribution being selected for EOLSS would be to submit a > manuscript to either of these two conferences, since a set of the best among > the contributions presented at these two conferences are likely to be included > in EOLSS. > > I am eagerly looking forward to your reaction, and remain > > with best personal regards > > Francois Cellier, Ph.D. > Associate Professor > Dept. of Electr. & Comp. Engr. > University of Arizona > Tucson, AZ 85721 > U.S.A. > > Phone: +1(520)621-6192 > FAX: +1(520)621-8076 > E_Mail: Cellier@ECE.Arizona.Edu > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:28:25 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: AI, Simulation & Planning in High Autonomy Systems - Call for Papers (fwd) CELLIER@hermes.ece.arizona.edu writes: > From cc13ss.unity.ncsu.edu!listserv.ncsu.edu!mission-earth Mon Aug 28 18:33:05 1995 > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:40:15 -0400 > Posted-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:40:15 -0400 > Message-Id: <950828183710.20203439@hermes.ece.arizona.edu> > Errors-To: cwm@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu > Reply-To: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Originator: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Sender: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Precedence: bulk > From: CELLIER@hermes.ece.arizona.edu > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Subject: AI, Simulation & Planning in High Autonomy Systems - Call for Papers > X-Listserver-Version: 6.0 -- UNIX ListServer by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Comment: Discussion forum on simulation to aid in world planning and surviva l > > Preliminary Anouncement > ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, SIMULATION, AND PLANNING > IN HIGH AUTONOMY SYSTEMS > > San Diego, CA > March 23-27, 1996 > > sponsored by > > The University of Arizona > The San Diego Supercomputer Center > The Encyclopedia of Life Support Systems > > in conjunction with > The International Society for Intelligent Automation > and Rand Corporation > > This is the sixth in a series of annual meetings dedicated to > advancing the capabilities of modelling, simulation and other > knowledge-based methodologies. Papers and sessions relating to > critical issues in AI, simulation and planning in high autonomy > systems are welcome. Topics include: > > * issues in modelling and simulation methodology > * multiple abstraction model families/variable resolution simulation > * virtual/synthetic/variable structure environments > * qualitative/quantitative model integration > * model-based system design/engineering > * simulation and formal verification of hybrid systems > * object-oriented/knowledge-based modelling applications > * intelligent and autonomous control > > In addition to regular sessions there will be 3 special > workshops/sessions: > > 1. Ecology and the Environment: Need and Prospects for High > Performance Computing > > 2. DEVS Formalism: Concepts, Methodology, Applications > > 3. Encyclopedia of Life Support Systems: Role of Modelling and Simulation > > DATES: > > Abstracts: Nov 1, 1995 (send by email to: house@hpcc.ece.arizona.edu) > Acceptance Notice: Dec 1, 1996 > Full Papers: Feb 1, 1996 > > For further information surf to: > > Web URL: http://www-ais.ece.arizona.edu > > or send email to: baltes@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:30:23 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Mission Earth 96 - Final Call for Papers (fwd) CELLIER@hermes.ece.arizona.edu writes: > From hermes.ece.arizona.edu!cellier Mon Aug 28 21:19:59 1995 > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:17:27 -0700 (MST) > From: CELLIER@hermes.ece.arizona.edu > To: UPERInc@aol.com, Jouse@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu, > JRA@jupiter.risc.rockwell.com, Alden@hitl.washington.edu, > Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu, Amico@cs.ucf.edu, Araujo@cpdee.ufmg.br, > KJA@control.lth.se, Atherton@eaps.sussex.ac.uk > X-Vmsmail-To: @ERM_NEW > Message-Id: <950828181727.20203439@hermes.ece.arizona.edu> > Subject: Mission Earth 96 - Final Call for Papers > > MISSION EARTH'96 > MODELING AND SIMULATION FOR A SUSTAINABLE GLOBAL SYSTEM > > January 14-17, 1996 > Hyatt Regency, La Jolla, California > > Part of the 1996 SCS Western Multiconference on Computer Simulation > > ============================================================================== = > > Dear Colleagues: > > I had written to you earlier about this conference. From the manuscripts > we received, I gather that the aspect of ecosystem modeling at a global scale > was too much in the foreground of the Call for Papers, or rather, that other > related aspects were not sufficiently emphasized. > > The Mission Earth conference focuses on all aspects of global (or at least > over-regional) modeling and simulation that are concerned with questions of > managing the available resources of planet Earth and maintaining the standard > of living of its human inhabitants. > > Typical areas of concern are: > > -> Energy: > -> Modeling of large scale energy distribution systems > -> Modeling alternate forms of energy > -> Modeling of economic aspects of energy production and distribution > -> Modeling of ecological effects of energy production and distribution > > -> Water: > -> Modeling of water pollution > -> Modeling of water purification > -> Modeling of water distribution > -> Modeling of technologies of desalination > -> Modeling of global water cycle (evaporation, rain) > > -> Air: > -> Modeling of air pollution > -> Modeling of transport of air pollutants > -> Modeling of CO2 cycle in closed ecosystems > -> Modeling of earth atmosphere > > -> Agriculture: > -> Modeling of food production and distribution > -> Modeling of food demand > -> Modeling of global effects of agricultural policies > > This list of topics is by no means exhaustive, but it may provide a clearer > idea of the types of papers that are appropriate for this conference. > > Please, submit full draft papers to the Program Chairman of the > conference: > > Wayne C. Jouse, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor > Dept. of Nuclear & Energy Engr. > University of Arizona > Tucson, Ariz. 85721 > U.S.A. > > Phone: +1(520)621-2401 > FAX: +1(520)621-8096 > EMail: Jouse@Aruba.CCIT.Arizona.Edu > > no later than September 15. Electronic submission in the form of a uuencoded > compressed postscript file is recommended. > > You all received earlier today another e_mail message from me, in which > I asked for contributions to the forthcoming Encyclopedia of Life Support > Systems (EOLSS). Mission Earth is thematically closely related to EOLSS, and > therefore, it is foreseen that the best papers from Mission Earth 96 will also > be included in EOLSS. > > I realize that the deadline for Mission Earth papers is very short, but > this is not the first Call for Papers. I assume that several of you are > already working on your Mission Earth papers. If the short deadline should > cause difficulties, please, contact either Wayne Jouse or myself at your > earliest convenience to discuss what can be done to accommodate you. > > with best personal regards > > Francois Cellier, Ph.D. > Associate Professor > Dept. of Electr. & Comp. Engr. > University of Arizona > Tucson, AZ 85721 > U.S.A. > > Phone: +1(520)621-6192 > FAX: +1(520)621-8076 > E_Mail: Cellier@ECE.Arizona.Edu > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:49:07 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: More on the BFI/Microsoft Network connection For background context, see Article 1 in Vol. 1, No. 1 of 4D Chronicler, posted above. Kirby 4D Chronicler ------------------------- DATELINE: 8-28-95 SUMMARY: Microsoft Network, new online service making debut in concert the much-hyped Win95, contains some material on Fuller: bitmaps of ideas/inventions, sound recordings, interview with his grandson. Part of a showcase on futurists. Sponsor of this material is 21st Century Publishing, based in Hawaii. -------------------------- With Discover card in hand, I signed up for the Microsoft Network, in hopes of finding the Bucky Fuller related materials I'd been told (by Jaime) were being placed onto that new online service. I found the goods. A chat with Jaime -- the transcript of a long distance phone conversation. Some black and white bitmaps. And several sound files of Fuller speaking. All of this material is easily downloadable. The source is 21st Century Publishing, Makawo, Hawaii -- a personal name is not given. The material is easy to view on line and download. You can find it yourself by going to the online Finder and searching on Fuller and Bucky (in response to the latter, you'll get some text about the GENI web page, or perhaps the text of the page itself -- haven't checked yet). Bitmaps include a drawing of the Dymaxion House (Wichata style) and a sketch of a tensegrity. The Fuller files are part of a larger showcase of futurists. Fuller's material is filed under headings containing the word Legacy. Here's the header of one of the documents, which are formatted in Rich Text Format: From: 21stCentury_MSN Date: Thursday, August 24, 1995 4:48 AM X-To: Special Event Info-Bank Subject: Bucky Fuller's 100th Legacy with grandson Jaime Snyder I will upload the full text of Jaime's interview/chat as a follow-up to this message, on alt.listserv.geodesic. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:55:51 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: More on the BFI/Microsoft Network connection Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 05:01:17 UT From: "Kirby Urner" X-To: "'pdx4d@teleport.com'" Subject: FW: Bucky Fuller's 100th Legacy with grandson Jaime Snyder ---------- From: 21stCentury_MSN Date: Thursday, August 24, 1995 4:48 AM To: Special Event Info-Bank Subject: Bucky Fuller's 100th Legacy with grandson Jaime Snyder The 21st Century Auditorium "GO 21" "Design Science in the 21st Century: The Legacy of R. Buckminster Fuller" with Jaime Snyder, Grandson of R. Buckminster Fuller, the "Father of Futurism" celebrating Bucky's 100th....Centenary on July 12 & through the year. Click Here to GO directly to Bucky's Legacy Folder.... Watch for Articles. columns and more about the future at Future Visions Showcase in 21st Century. Event Archive July 6,1995 Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Welcome to 21st Century Online presenting Jaime Snyder. Jaime is the executive vice president of the Buckminster Fuller Institute It's a pleasure to be on-line here through our interconnected 21st Century Hello, Jaime. Thanks for being here tonight. Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: global village and I have been working around Buckminster Fuller all my life and I am very excited to have the opportunity to meet with people in this interconnected communications mode that Bucky certainly envisioned but never participated in actively in quite the way that we all have grown accustomed to in our mid-90's reality. I'm also excited and pleased to be announcing the and in some ways kicking off the Centenary Year celebrating Bucky's 100th birthday which will be beginning on July 12, 1995 next Wednesday, and for me I think of this year, upcoming Centenary Year, as a launching pad for a second century of work towards the success of humanity. and specifically I see this year as a real opportunity not so much to look backwards at the personality and his life but particularly as an opportunity to look forwards to the potential magnification of the impact of the design science work which he pioneered I will be happy to take your questions now. 21st Century JamesHulbert: Mr. Snyder, you have a famous relative. Can you say what his legacy for us might be? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Certainly. I believe there are many facets to his legacy. But I believe at the core he was an individual who pointed out a potential for humans aboard our planet, Spaceship Earth, specifically, I believe he was one of the first if not the first individual to specifically identify and champion the potential milestones for humanity, that being the possibility of 100% of humanity achieving basic life support needs. Just probably very much like the early rocket scientists who began to come to the conclusion that we could indeed land a person on the moon, that it was no longer a dream or science fiction. Bucky was one of the first, maybe the first, spaceship Earth scientists who said, "Hey, there's a milestone out there that we can reach." of 100% of humanity being successful on a sustainment basis, and that milestone still confronts there and we haven't gotten there, and I believe that's at the center point of what Bucky was trying to do and what we're all trying to do -0- to hold that milestone in view and continue to take action to realize that profound and remarkable potential that most people don't even realize exists. 21st Century SHADOWFAX: I seem to remember that Mr. Fuller was asked to design the airline system in India in his latter years. Did he complete this task ? how far did he get with it? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Good question. It's fun to connect with somebody out there who is aware of that about Bucky. My recollection is that he did complete with his architectural partner, Shoji Sadao, the preliminary design concepts and drawings for the government of India. I believe they were for an international airport and to my knowledge the government of India did not go further with that particular project and I can't say for sure what the circumstances were or all the reasons why they didn't go forward with it. 21st Century Sierra_Jim: The use of this electronic communications technology as a primary way to conserve planetary resources is an obvious advantage. Are there other technological advantages that are at once convenient and serve the planet? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Let me answer that. I believe that kind of fundamental to all good and effective technological advancement is a principle which Bucky described with a phrase that has become rather well known, and that is "doing more with less." Obviously, telecommunications does tremendous more with very much less. And I believe in almost all technological fields the energy systems, shelter, food production, you will find outstanding evidence of the principle of doing more with less showing up. And I don't believe that those advancements are purely technical. I think we are learning that if you will the software or human know-how component can sometimes arrive at solutions which are technically very simple and yet represent remarkable commonsense advancements to the solutions which may be presently prevalent. 21st Century [To participate: open the Ask Questions Here chat room] Minster: What was one of his most famous and not so famous designs? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Certainly the most famous design in general that is associated with Bucky's work is the geodesic dome, which in my view is more than a design. It is an expression of an understanding of nature's principles of structure that apply to all systems. Even telecommunications and computer networking systems. It wasn't surprising that the Justice Department report which reviewed the progress of the break-up of AT&T and the transformation of the phone systems in the United States particularly was a 500-page report entitled "The Geodesic Network." It described the structure of telecommunications systems as having moved from a pyramid-based concept to a geodesic dome configuration. By the way, one of his most famous domes the Expo '67 dome in Montreal, has just reopened with a beautiful new exhibit Least famous design... It comes to mind that he developed a what he called the dymaxion bathroom, which was prototyped at Phelps-Dodge and was working with such designs as complete unit molded fixtures as well as a concept he developed called the "fog gun" which allowed somebody to take a shower with high pressure atomized fog spray and it used a pint of water to get clean rather than multi-gallons that we commonly use. And one of his dymaxion bathrooms is on display as part of the Centenary Celebration at the Henry Ford Museum in Greenfield Village in Dearborn, Michigan. 21st Century that might answer John's question: John_Ridley: My friends and I are considering build a Dymaxion as a project. Are there any remaining models on public display? Tony_Hamilton: Mr. Snyder... What role might nanotechnology play in doing "more with less" in the near future, and what was 'Bucky's' vision of this field and its role in achieving 100% sustainability? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: A Dymaxion car? a Dymaxion what? I'll get to your question... About the Dymaxion...if you were referring to the Dymaxion car. 21st Century John_Ridley: The 3 wheeled, rear engined car that was prototyped. I believe 3 were built. Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: there is one prototype that we know of in existence. It is on display at Harrah's Auto Museum in Reno, Nevada. I believe it is also going to be displayed at the Centennial Symposium and Celebration that is taking place July 14 - 16 in San Diego, California. Going on with the nanotechnology... Nanotechnology is yet another outstanding example of the continuing ever-present trend of doing more with less. Bucky certainly saw and anticipated this trend in the electronics computer field specifically. In fact, I recall in his book "Synergetics" that he believed that we would eventually be able to literally utilize the orbiting electrons in molecules as computer storage of information. In the end, as we begin to see this trend of doing more with less underlying all fields of technology, we begin to see how we could, as Bucky said, up the overall efficiency of our global life support systems to a point where we could sustain a larger population than we have today with basic life support needs on a sustainable basis. 21st Century SHADOWFAX: In Mr. Fuller's early years, after having done poorly with selling real-estate after WWI, I remember reading that he had a difficult emotional time, and through this difficulty, he turned his perspective on reality around. Is this true? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Yes, in general, the circumstances were a little different. He actually had developed an early version of low cost shelter which he called the "stockade building system" with his father-in-law in the early 20's and for various reasons, including the fact as he said that he was more interested in building a good house than making money, that business went bankrupt. That was one of a number of experiences leading up to a very dramatic turn-around and re-orientation that he went through in 1927 at the age of 32, where he really fundamentally reoriented his life focus to "making the world work" instead of making money. 21st Century JamesHulbert: Mr. Synder, did Buck believe that "Prophets are never welcome in their hometown"? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Honestly, I'm sure he probably felt that at times but he was so committed to the very much larger evolutionary process at work on our planet that I didn't really see him very often being distracted by concerns about appreciation his own personal activities or accomplishment. 21st Century Jaime: could you please explain "Design Science"? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Okay... Design science is a term which Bucky coined to describe his work. He had a longer version of that name which is illuminating in itself, and that was "comprehensive anticipatory design science" For me, Design Science in my own terms is using nature's principles of design to build a sustainably successful world and I believe fundamental to his Design Science approach to solving problems in our world was the notion that we can be much more efficient in solving problems by reforming the environment rather than trying to reform people. I think he believed that it was just more efficient to build a bridge over a roaring river than to try to convince people to be better swimmers. 21st Century Ricker_MSN: jamie, What are the elements of Bucky's work that are relevant today? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: I believe that his there are many elements of his specific work which are relevant. I believe his design science approach as a whole which includes better understanding nature's principles of design, which includes planetary planning -- that is, looking at the world as an integrated system to develop strategies for improving our condition. It includes developing what he called Livingry Technologies... "livingry" was a term he coined to describe technology as opposed to weaponry, which was technology that would really aid us in more effectively living in harmony with nature to meet our survival needs. The other element is individual initiative and the understanding of the principles that allow individuals to be effective agents of change 21st Century tommy_toonz: Jaime: do you think Bucky would be teaching "Whole Systems" were he alive today? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Certainly. A good friend of mine who is on the board of the Buckminster Fuller Institute made a comment which has been particularly useful in understanding Bucky was the observation that Bucky was one of the only people he had ever met for whom nothing was ever out of context. The context for Bucky, of course, was always the universe, the ultimate whole system, and I think he believed very much that we won't be effective problem-solvers if we don't always start with a sense with understanding the universe and nature's big picture and moving from that larger perspective into the specific problems that we are addressing ourselves to. It is possible to be a systems thinker it seems and yet still be specialized in this day and age, and I think Bucky would certainly-- one thing Bucky would never be was specialized. Though he did often point out that there were two polarities to his work and his problem-solving approach -- one was to be both macro-comprehensive and micro-incisive. 21st Century asia1: TELL US, about the teledesic network and when we will be able to uplink and downlink with my commputers, video audio and data????? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: It sounds like you may know more about that than I do. Obviously, we 're already watching that capability unfold before our eyes on a day-to-day basis. I'm sure that some of the most dramatic advances that we will see in the next five years will continue to be in the telecommunications capability. 21st Century gevans: Mr. S, a few moments ago, you had mentioned that Bucky had invented a shower that only used a pint of water. In relationship to that... how do we get the population to realize that resources are finite on this planet and use devices like this? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Well, I think when we realize that there are 5 billion people and growing, we have to of course recognize that at one level it is a slow patient process of education. At the same time, when you look at the transformation that has taken place in the 20th century, you see a remarkable exhibition of what Bucky called "accelerating acceleration," and so on the one hand we probably all feel a sense that things move so slowly, and yet if we think back to the past ten years, we've probably all experienced a remarkable increase in understanding the environment and how to use resources more efficiently. And by the way, I am particularly enthusiastic about the work of the rocky Mountain Institute as a source for good information about increasingly more efficient tools and approaches for utilizing resources more effectively. So again, education, research, development and, as Bucky himself did, going out as individuals and really solving problems is what we can do and must continue to do in order to increase the awareness that you speak of. 21st Century fredjames: Do you thinks it's still valid to view our environment as a system or as a great machine? Or, perhaps is there a better way? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: I think probably there is validity to understanding our environment as a whole system It certainly is that. And it's probably also valid to understand that it has certain aspects which one might describe as a machine, but certainly it is a machine way beyond the state of the art that we humans have consciously designed and built, and so the term may be inadequate. It is so far beyond where we are today. I certainly also believe that the notion that has grown on our planet of the environment being a if you will living organism, a wholistic one planetary living organism, also has validity and obviously, we as humans are an integral part of that whole being. So there are certainly many approaches and models we can use Obviously, I think that we all understand to make our planet a success we are going to have to learn to harmonize nature, human technology and ourselves as a species. 21st Century fredjames: But, isn't it equally important to understand how we view these systems, our biases, etc.? Fred will elaborate a little if you need... Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Please elaborate. 21st Century fredjames: Say, for generalizing, gestalt processing, over simplifying. Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Yes, it is very important, very very important to recognize our own conceptual filters. Okay... I'm not sure that I'm familiar with all the specific terms and meanings that you are pointing to, but I certainly agree wholeheartedly that we can't separate our human consciousness and our conceptual filters from our awareness. Obviously perceptual biases, belief systems, thinking mechanisms that we have significantly give rise to our manifestation and our relationship with nature and our world and our universe as a whole. 21st Century OK. BettyKnight_MSN: Mr. Snyder, how would Mr. Fuller deal with the poverty and hunger issues in the world on this date? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: He would continue, I believe, to advance his design science approach which was integrally concerned with solving these problems. Certainly he would have continued to be very much engaged in tackling specific problems perhaps he might even be supportive of some of the work that I've been involved with where, for example, I've been working with an organization called Homeless USA centered in USA that has been organized by a homeless activist, Ted Hayes, which utilizes low cost 20-foot diameter geodesic domes to build transitional communities, which can allow homeless individuals to take a step out of homelessness. His project is a prototype community set up in downtown Los Angeles which I think is an excellent model that should be studied and further replicated. 21st Century Jaime: What is your personal vision of the 21st Century? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Awakening... I think the key to understanding the 21st century is realizing that our consciousness is very much larger than humans and it is awakening to itself and in so doing manifesting remarkable, profound new possibilities which we can't even dream of yet. But ultimately, I believe the key to the 21st century is our own individual union and realization of that larger whole system consciousness which is running the whole show. As an afterthought, I do want people to be aware that there are a lot of exciting activities that will be going on related to Bucky's Centenary Celebration. I encourage people to contact the Buckminster Fuller Institute in Santa Barbara for information about those activities. And 21st Century Online will be covering those activities. 21st Century Great, we're looking forward to it! Thanks for joining us here tonight, Jaime. Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Good night, and watch for more information and articles. ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:50:51 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Focous I was in the bus today, this morrning and i have my first experience with smart card. a woman student was telling her friend about the use of it. this card can do 3 things . it can be used for transportation, telephone and taking lectures. it was nice experience doing multiple things dealing with complex variables, new thinking. i can see how it can free people from stupid calculation, and trivaial waste of time for example in the banks.this just one thing from others which can make life easier. what real made me want to write is that these people who are conserned about the world like mission earth and gini and others through there persistence and possible future clearity may make thier voice heard with the intelegent community around the world. thier subject must hit the target, meaning the target must be clear and the introduction must be simple, you can see that in fuller vision not in all of his books. in the same way we have to use the language in simple consentrated manner to get to the target. staying with critical variables. i would predict that the geometry of fuller will be known in 10 years an intutive estimation. even Holywood have used it in its movies. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:22:18 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ROBERT GRAY Everybody should check out Robert Gray's web page http://www.vivanet.com/~rwgray9/ He has tons of info about Bucky: Plane and Spherical Trig Great Circles and LCD Spherical Triangle Data Polyhedra Data Fuller's World Maps (Projections) The Tetrahelix Citations to Fuller's Work _Synergetics_ Errata There are grid coordinates for various geometric shapes, computer programs, hundreds of references to articles, corrections to errors found in _Synergetics_, etc, etc. An excellent resource that other web sites should link to. One question I have: Who is Mr. Gray? Anybody know his background? Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:49:42 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SNYDER ON MSN INTERVIEW WITH JAIME SNYDER IN MICROSOFT NETWORK'S "21ST CENTURY" FORUM QUOTE: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 21stCentury_MSN Date: Thursday, August 24, 1995 4:48AM To: Special Event Info-Bank Subject: Bucky Fuller's 100th Legacy with grandson Jaime Snyder The 21st Century Auditorium: "GO 21" "Design Science in the 21st Century: The Legacy of R. Buckminster Fuller" with Jaime Snyder, Grandson of R.Buckminster Fuller, the "Father of Futurism" celebrating Bucky's 100th Centenary on July 12 & through the year. Click Here to GO directly to Bucky's Legacy Folder. Watch for Articles, columns and more about the future at "Future Visions Showcase" in 21st Century. Event Archive July 6,1995: Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Welcome to 21st Century Online presenting Jaime Snyder. Jaime is the executive vice president of the Buckminster Fuller Institute. It's a pleasure to be on-line here through our interconnected 21st Century Hello, Jaime. Thanks for being here tonight. Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Global Village and I have been working around Buckminster Fuller all my life and I am very excited to have the opportunity to meet with people in this interconnected communications mode that Bucky certainly envisioned but never participated in actively in quite the way that we all have grown accustomed to in our mid-90's reality. I'm also excited and pleased to be announcing the and in some ways kicking off the Centenary Year celebrating Bucky's 100th birthday which will be beginning on July 12, 1995 next Wednesday, and for me I think of this year, upcoming Centenary Year, as a launching pad for a second century of work towards the success of humanity. and specifically I see this year as a real opportunity not so much to look backwards at the personality and his life but particularly as an opportunity to look forwards to the potential magnification of the impact of the design science work which he pioneered. I will be happy to take your questions now. 21st Century JamesHulbert: Mr. Snyder, you have a famous relative. Can you say what his legacy for us might be? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Certainly. I believe there are many facets to his legacy. But I believe at the core he was an individual who pointed out a potential for humans aboard our planet, Spaceship Earth; specifically, I believe he was one of the first if not the first individual to specifically identify and champion the potential milestones for humanity, that being the possibility of 100% of humanity achieving basic life support needs. Just probably very much like the early rocket scientists who began to come to the conclusion that we could indeed land a person on the moon, that it was no longer a dream or science fiction. Bucky was one of the first, maybe the first, spaceship Earth scientists who said, "Hey, there's a milestone out there that we can reach" of 100% of humanity being successful on a sustainment basis, and that milestone still confronts there and we haven't gotten there, and I believe that's at the center point of what Bucky was trying to do and what we're all trying to do --- to hold that milestone in view and continue to take action to realize that profound and remarkable potential that most people don't even realize exists. 21st Century SHADOWFAX: I seem to remember that Mr. Fuller was asked to design the airline system in India in his latter years. Did he complete this task? How far did he get with it? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Good question. It's fun to connect with somebody out there who is aware of that about Bucky. My recollection is that he did complete with his architectural partner, Shoji Sadao, the preliminary design concepts and drawings for the government of India. I believe they were for an international airport and to my knowledge the government of India did not go further with that particular project and I can't say for sure what the circumstances were or all the reasons why they didn't go forward with it. 21st Century Sierra_Jim: The use of this electronic communications technology as a primary way to conserve planetary resources is an obvious advantage. Are there other technological advantages that are at once convenient and serve the planet? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Let me answer that. I believe that kind of fundamental to all good and effective technological advancement is a principle which Bucky described with a phrase that has become rather well known, and that is "doing more with less." Obviously, telecommunications does tremendous more with very much less. And I believe in almost all technological fields the energy systems, shelter, food production, you will find outstanding evidence of the principle of doing more with less showing up. And I don't believe that those advancements are purely technical. I think we are learning that if you will the software or human know-how component can sometimes arrive at solutions which are technically very simple and yet represent remarkable commonsense advancements to the solutions which may be presently prevalent. 21st Century [To participate: open the Ask Questions Here chat room] Minster: What was one of his most famous and not so famous designs? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Certainly the most famous design in general that is associated with Bucky's work is the geodesic dome, which in my view is more than a design. It is an expression of an understanding of nature's principles of structure that apply to all systems. Even telecommunications and computer networking systems. It wasn't surprising that the Justice Department report which reviewed the progress of the break-up of AT&T and the transformation of the phone systems in the United States particularly was a 500-page report entitled "The Geodesic Network." It described the structure of telecommunications systems as having moved from a pyramid-based concept to a geodesic dome configuration. By the way, one of his most famous domes, the Expo '67 dome in Montreal, has just reopened with a beautiful new exhibit. Least famous design... It comes to mind that he developed a what he called the dymaxion bathroom, which was prototyped at Phelps-Dodge and was working with such designs as complete unit molded fixtures as well as a concept he developed called the "fog gun" which allowed somebody to take a shower with high pressure atomized fog spray and it used a pint of water to get clean rather than multi-gallons that we commonly use. And one of his dymaxion bathrooms is on display as part of the Centenary Celebration at the Henry Ford Museum in Greenfield Village in Dearborn, Michigan. 21st Century That might answer John's question: John_Ridley: My friends and I are considering build a Dymaxion as a project. Are there any remaining models on public display? Tony_Hamilton: Mr. Snyder. What role might nanotechnology play in doing "more with less" in the near future, and what was 'Bucky's' vision of this field and its role in achieving 100% sustainability? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: A Dymaxion car? A Dymaxion what? I'll get to your question. About the Dymaxion...if you were referring to the Dymaxion car. 21st Century John_Ridley: The 3 wheeled, rear engined car that was prototyped. I believe 3 were built. Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: There is one prototype that we know of in existence. It is on display at Harrah's Auto Museum in Reno, Nevada. I believe it is also going to be displayed at the Centennial Symposium and Celebration that is taking place July 14 - 16 in San Diego, California. Going on with the nanotechnology. Nanotechnology is yet another outstanding example of the continuing ever-present trend of doing more with less. Bucky certainly saw and anticipated this trend in the electronics computer field specifically. In fact, I recall in his book "Synergetics" that he believed that we would eventually be able to literally utilize the orbiting electrons in molecules as computer storage of information. In the end, as we begin to see this trend of doing more with less underlying all fields of technology, we begin to see how we could, as Bucky said, up the overall efficiency of our global life support systems to a point where we could sustain a larger population than we have today with basic life support needs on a sustainable basis. 21st Century SHADOWFAX: In Mr. Fuller's early years, after having done poorly with selling real estate after WWI, I remember reading that he had a difficult emotional time, and through this difficulty, he turned his perspective on reality around. Is this true? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Yes, in general, the circumstances were a little different. He actually had developed an early version of low cost shelter which he called the "stockade building system" with his father-in-law in the early 20's and for various reasons, including the fact as he said that he was more interested in building a good house than making money, that business went bankrupt. That was one of a number of experiences leading up to a very dramatic turn-around and re-orientation that he went through in 1927 at the age of 32, where he really fundamentally reoriented his life focus to "making the world work" instead of making money. 21st Century James Hulbert: Mr. Synder, did Buck believe that "Prophets are never welcome in their hometown"? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Honestly, I'm sure he probably felt that at times but he was so committed to the very much larger evolutionary process at work on our planet that I didn't really see him very often being distracted by concerns about appreciation his own personal activities or accomplishment. 21st Century Jaime: Could you please explain "Design Science"? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Okay... Design Science is a term which Bucky coined to describe his work. He had a longer version of that name which is illuminating in itself, and that was "comprehensive anticipatory design science". For me, Design Science in my own terms is using nature's principles of design to build a sustainably successful world and I believe fundamental to his Design Science approach to solving problems in our world was the notion that we can be much more efficient in solving problems by reforming the environment rather than trying to reform people. I think he believed that it was just more efficient to build a bridge over a roaring river than to try to convince people to be better swimmers. 21st Century Ricker_MSN: Jamie, What are the elements of Bucky's work that are relevant today? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: I believe that his there are many elements of his specific work which are relevant. I believe his design science approach as a whole which includes better understanding nature's principles of design, which includes planetary planning -- that is, looking at the world as an integrated system to develop strategies for improving our condition. It includes developing what he called Livingry Technologies... "livingry" was a term he coined to describe technology as opposed to weaponry, which was technology that would really aid us in more effectively living in harmony with nature to meet our survival needs. The other element is individual initiative and the understanding of the principles that allow individuals to be effective agents of change. 21st Century tommy_toonz: Jaime: Do you think Bucky would be teaching "Whole Systems" were he alive today? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Certainly. A good friend of mine who is on the board of the Buckminster Fuller Institute made a comment which has been particularly useful in understanding Bucky was the observation that Bucky was one of the only people he had ever met for whom nothing was ever out of context. The context for Bucky, of course, was always the universe, the ultimate whole system, and I think he believed very much that we won't be effective problem-solvers if we don't always start with a sense of understanding the universe and nature's big picture and moving from that larger perspective into the specific problems that we are addressing ourselves to. It is possible to be a systems thinker it seems and yet still be specialized in this day and age, and I think Bucky would certainly-- one thing Bucky would never be was specialized. Though he did often point out that there were two polarities to his work and his problem-solving approach -- one was to be both macro-comprehensive and micro-incisive. 21st Century asia1: Tell us about the teledesic network and when we will be able to uplink and downlink with my computers, video, audio and data????? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: It sounds like you may know more about that than I do. Obviously, we 're already watching that capability unfold before our eyes on a day-to-day basis. I'm sure that some of the most dramatic advances that we will see in the next five years will continue to be in the telecommunications capability. 21st Century gevans: Mr. S, a few moments ago, you had mentioned that Bucky had invented a shower that only used a pint of water. In relationship to that how do we get the population to realize that resources are finite on this planet and use devices like this? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Well, I think when we realize that there are 5 billion people and growing, we have to of course recognize that at one level it is a slow patient process of education. At the same time, when you look at the transformation that has taken place in the 20th century, you see a remarkable exhibition of what Bucky called "accelerating acceleration," and so on the one hand we probably all feel a sense that things move so slowly, and yet if we think back to the past ten years, we've probably all experienced a remarkable increase in understanding the environment and how to use resources more efficiently. And by the way, I am particularly enthusiastic about the work of the Rocky Mountain Institute as a source for good information about increasingly more efficient tools and approaches for utilizing resources more effectively. So again, education, research, development and, as Bucky himself did, going out as individuals and really solving problems is what we can do and must continue to do in order to increase the awareness that you speak of. 21st Century fredjames: Do you thinks it's still valid to view our environment as a system or as a great machine? Or, perhaps is there a better way? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: I think probably there is validity to understanding our environment as a whole system. It certainly is that. And it's probably also valid to understand that it has certain aspects which one might describe as a machine, but certainly it is a machine way beyond the state of the art that we humans have consciously designed and built, and so the term may be inadequate. It is so far beyond where we are today. I certainly also believe that the notion that has grown on our planet of the environment being a if you will living organism, a wholistic one planetary living organism, also has validity and obviously, we as humans are an integral part of that whole being. So there are certainly many approaches and models we can use. Obviously, I think that we all understand to make our planet a success we are going to have to learn to harmonize nature, human technology and ourselves as a species. 21st Century fredjames: But, isn't it equally important to understand how we view these systems, our biases, etc.? Fred will elaborate a little if you need... Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Please elaborate. 21st Century fredjames: Say, for generalizing, gestalt processing, over simplifying. Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Yes, it is very important, very, very important to recognize our own conceptual filters. Okay... I'm not sure that I'm familiar with all the specific terms and meanings that you are pointing to, but I certainly agree wholeheartedly that we can't separate our human consciousness and our conceptual filters from our awareness. Obviously perceptual biases, belief systems, thinking mechanisms that we have significantly give rise to our manifestation and our relationship with nature and our world and our universe as a whole. 21st Century OK. BettyKnight_MSN: Mr. Snyder, how would Mr. Fuller deal with the poverty and hunger issues in the world on this date? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: He would continue, I believe, to advance his design science approach which was integrally concerned with solving these problems. Certainly he would have continued to be very much engaged in tackling specific problems. Perhaps he might even be supportive of some of the work that I've been involved with where, for example, I've been working with an organization called Homeless USA centered in USA that has been organized by a homeless activist, Ted Hayes, which utilizes low cost 20-foot diameter geodesic domes to build transitional communities, which can allow homeless individuals to take a step out of homelessness. His project is a prototype community set up in downtown Los Angeles which I think is an excellent model that should be studied and further replicated. 21st Century Jaime: What is your personal vision of the 21st Century? Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Awakening... I think the key to understanding the 21st century is realizing that our consciousness is very much larger than humans and it is awakening to itself and in so doing manifesting remarkable, profound new possibilities which we can't even dream of yet. But ultimately, I believe the key to the 21st century is our own individual union and realization of that larger whole system consciousness which is running the whole show. As an afterthought, I do want people to be aware that there are a lot of exciting activities that will be going on related to Bucky's Centenary Celebration. I encourage people to contact the Buckminster Fuller Institute in Santa Barbara for information about those activities. And 21st Century Online will be covering those activities. 21st Century Great, we're looking forward to it! Thanks for joining us here tonight, Jaime. Host Jaime_Snyder_21C: Good night, and watch for more information and articles. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- END QUOTE. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:35:22 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FWD>TOPEX/Poseidon Complete (fwd) Bruce Fairchild writes: > From cc13ss.unity.ncsu.edu!listserv.ncsu.edu!mission-earth Tue Aug 29 12:27:30 1995 > Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:34:48 -0400 > Posted-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:34:48 -0400 > Message-Id: > Errors-To: cwm@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu > Reply-To: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Originator: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Sender: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Precedence: bulk > From: Bruce Fairchild > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Subject: FWD>TOPEX/Poseidon Complete > X-Listserver-Version: 6.0 -- UNIX ListServer by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Comment: Discussion forum on simulation to aid in world planning and surviva l > > Subject: FWD>TOPEX/Poseidon Completes Prime Mission > > I receive many of NASA's press releases. Some of these are specific to NASA's > Mission to Planet Earth. I would appreciate feedback either as a posting or > directly to me at > bruce.fairchild@msd_hsv1.hv.boeing.com > as to whether you would like me to continue to post them here. > ------------------------------ > Date: 8/29/95 12:04 PM > From: NASA HQ Public Affairs Office > > Brian Dunbar > Headquarters, Washington, DC August 29, 1995 > (Phone: 202/358-1547) > > Mary Hardin > Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA > (Phone: 818/354-5011) > > RELEASE: 95-146 > > TOPEX/POSEIDON COMPLETES PRIME MISSION > > TOPEX/Poseidon, the U.S./French ocean-observing > satellite, has successfully completed its three-year primary > mission to help scientists understand how the Earth's oceans > affect our climate. > > Having passed the third anniversary of its launch on Aug. > 10, 1992, TOPEX/Poseidon has begun its extended mission. > Given the health of the spacecraft, the project management > team believes TOPEX/Poseidon will continue to operate at least > four more years. > > TOPEX/Poseidon's primary science goal is to improve > understanding of how oceans circulate. The satellite > information is enabling oceanographers to study the way the > oceans transport heat and nutrients and how the oceans > interact with weather patterns. > > "The extended mission will help us further achieve > TOPEX/Poseidon's primary science goal which is to improve our > knowledge of how oceans circulate," said Dr. Lee-Lueng Fu, > TOPEX/Poseidon project scientist at the Jet Propulsion > Laboratory (JPL), Pasadena, CA. "We are interested in > answering questions about long-term variations in the ocean > and understanding what role the oceans play in long-term > global change." > > TOPEX/Poseidon, a joint mission between NASA and the > Centre Nationale d'Etudes Spatiales (CNES), the French space > agency, uses a radar altimeter to precisely measure sea- > surface height. Scientists use the TOPEX/Poseidon data to > produce global maps of ocean circulation. The satellite has > provided oceanographers with unprecedented global sea level > measurements that are accurate to less than two inches. > > The spacecraft was launched from the Arianespace Guiana > Space Center in Kourou, French Guiana by an Ariane 42P booster > rocket procurred by CNES. It was the first NASA satellite > launched by Arianespace. > > In its more than 14,000 orbits of Earth since launch, > the satellite has obtained the following scientific results: > > * In early 1995, TOPEX/Poseidon detected a new El Nino > condition in the equatorial Pacific Ocean. This condition has > been linked to the unusually rainy weather in California and > the unseasonably warm winter in the Northeast U.S. > > * Preliminary results using data acquired from December 1992 > to September 1994 indicate a global rise in sea level of 0.12 > inches per year. By tracking sea level over the extended > mission, TOPEX/Poseidon will help scientists understand > whether this rise is a short-term variation or part of a long- > term trend. > > * In 1994, TOPEX/Poseidon data helped scientists understand > that the climatic effects caused by the El Ni_o phenomenon are > much longer lived than previously thought. TOPEX/Poseidon data > tracked residual effects from the El Ni_os of 1982-83, 1986-87 > and 1991-1993. > > * In the Gulf of Mexico, data are helping scientists and a > U.S. oil company study ocean-circulation phenomena, called > eddies, that can disrupt off-shore oil drilling. > > * In another application, the precision of the satellite's > ocean measurements has enabled scientists to calculate global > tides across all the open oceans, an important step toward > monitoring global ocean circulation from space and > understanding the complexities of global climate change. > > "The data set from the prime mission significantly > exceeds all pre-launch expectations and has provided > oceanographers with their first global data set on the Earth's > oceans," said Charles Yamarone, the JPL TOPEX/Poseidon project > manager. "The satellite is healthy and its critical > components are performing at or above expectations, which > would allow for more than seven years of flight operations." > > More than 1,400 data images are available through JPL's > public access computer site via anonymous file transfer > protocol (ftp) at the address jplinfo.jpl.nasa.gov. > TOPEX/Poseidon data are also available via Internet and the > World Wide Web at the address http://www.jpl.nasa.gov, or by > dial-up modem to the telephone number 818/354-1333. > > TOPEX/Poseidon is part of NASA's Mission to Planet > Earth, a coordinated, long-term research program to study the > Earth as a single global environment. JPL manages the U.S. portion > of the mission for NASA's Office of Mission to Planet Earth. > > - end - > > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:40:29 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: FWD>TOPEX/Poseidon Complete (fwd) potter writes: > From cc13ss.unity.ncsu.edu!listserv.ncsu.edu!mission-earth Tue Aug 29 12:40:50 1995 > Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:48:03 -0400 > Posted-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:48:03 -0400 > Message-Id: > Errors-To: cwm@ccvs2.cc.ncsu.edu > Reply-To: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Originator: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Sender: mission-earth@listserv.ncsu.edu > Precedence: bulk > From: potter > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Subject: Re: FWD>TOPEX/Poseidon Complete > X-Listserver-Version: 6.0 -- UNIX ListServer by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Comment: Discussion forum on simulation to aid in world planning and surviva l > > Recently, Bruce Fairchild asked whether he should continue posting NASA > Mission to Planet Earth press releases to the Mission Earth distribution > list. I would like to encourage him to do so. Here at the New York > University Department of Physics/Earth Systems Group, we are interested > in the acquisition of satellite remote sensing data, its analysis, and > its incorporation into global General Circulation Models. The NASA press > releases are therefore of interest to us, and, I believe, many others in > the Mission Earth distribution list. > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Seth D. Potter, Ph.D. | Office telephone: (212) 998-3744 > Research Scientist | FAX: (212) 995-3820 > New York University | > Department of Physics | > Earth Systems Group | E-mail: potter@acf2.nyu.edu > 34 Stuyvesant Street, 5th floor | s.potter@ieee.org > New York, NY 10003-7599 | > ______________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > .- > -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 21:18:01 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Organization: Philadelphia's Complete Internet Provider Subject: Re: ROBERT GRAY Joe Moore (joemoore@CRUZIO.COM) wrote: > One question I have: Who is Mr. Gray? Anybody know his background? I met him when we were both at Binghamton together (back in 1989). We met when I used my influence as Math Club President to get a couple of Bucky films shown (they were mathematically related, really!). I think a well-placed, but poorly designed flyer helped Robert find the event - and history was made :) And then a case of measles nearly cancelled the event - but we got to see the film anyway (even though it had to be preponed to avoid the quarantine). [PS. The most memorable part of the film was Bucky picking up a piece of seaweed and explaining the Universe with the aide of this prop.] But if you want to know who Robert Gray is, look at his Web pages --- they are very well designed and show his strong interest in and understanding of Synergetics. -- Christopher J. Fearnley | UNIX SIG Leader at PACS cjf@netaxs.com (finger me!) | (Philadelphia Area Computer Society) cfearnl@pacs.pha.pa.us | Design Science Revolutionary http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | Explorer in Universe "Dare to be Naive" -- Bucky Fuller | Linux Advocate ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 08:28:35 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mike Kohl Subject: Re: ROBERT GRAY Where do I find Robert Gray's web pages? Thanks >Joe Moore (joemoore@CRUZIO.COM) wrote: >> One question I have: Who is Mr. Gray? Anybody know his background? > >I met him when we were both at Binghamton together (back in 1989). We >met when I used my influence as Math Club President to get a couple of >Bucky films shown (they were mathematically related, really!). I think >a well-placed, but poorly designed flyer helped Robert find the event - >and history was made :) > >And then a case of measles nearly cancelled the event - but we got to >see the film anyway (even though it had to be preponed to avoid the >quarantine). [PS. The most memorable part of the film was Bucky >picking up a piece of seaweed and explaining the Universe with the aide >of this prop.] > >But if you want to know who Robert Gray is, look at his Web pages --- >they are very well designed and show his strong interest in and >understanding of Synergetics. > >-- >Christopher J. Fearnley | UNIX SIG Leader at PACS >cjf@netaxs.com (finger me!) | (Philadelphia Area Computer Society) >cfearnl@pacs.pha.pa.us | Design Science Revolutionary >http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | Explorer in Universe >"Dare to be Naive" -- Bucky Fuller | Linux Advocate )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Michael P. Kohl INTERNATIONAL NETWORK SERVICES 5151 BROOK HOLLOW PARKWAY SUITE 220 NORCROSS, GEORGIA 30071 Phone (770) 453-7455 Michael_Kohl@INS.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:32:56 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: ROBERT GRAY In-Reply-To: <199508301228.IAA15793@provider.ins.com>; from "Mike Kohl" at Aug 30, 95 8:28 am Mike Kohl writes: > > Where do I find Robert Gray's web pages? Thanks > > > >Joe Moore (joemoore@CRUZIO.COM) wrote: > >> One question I have: Who is Mr. Gray? Anybody know his background? > > > >I met him when we were both at Binghamton together (back in 1989). We > >met when I used my influence as Math Club President to get a couple of > >Bucky films shown (they were mathematically related, really!). I think > >a well-placed, but poorly designed flyer helped Robert find the event - > >and history was made :) > > > >And then a case of measles nearly cancelled the event - but we got to > >see the film anyway (even though it had to be preponed to avoid the > >quarantine). [PS. The most memorable part of the film was Bucky > >picking up a piece of seaweed and explaining the Universe with the aide > >of this prop.] > > > >But if you want to know who Robert Gray is, look at his Web pages --- > >they are very well designed and show his strong interest in and > >understanding of Synergetics. > > > >-- > >Christopher J. Fearnley | UNIX SIG Leader at PACS > >cjf@netaxs.com (finger me!) | (Philadelphia Area Computer Society) > >cfearnl@pacs.pha.pa.us | Design Science Revolutionary > >http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | Explorer in Universe > >"Dare to be Naive" -- Bucky Fuller | Linux Advocate > )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > Michael P. Kohl > INTERNATIONAL NETWORK SERVICES > 5151 BROOK HOLLOW PARKWAY > SUITE 220 > NORCROSS, GEORGIA 30071 > Phone (770) 453-7455 > Michael_Kohl@INS.com > .- > Robert Gray's web pages are at: http://www.vivanet.com/~rwgray9/ -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 08:03:01 UT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: FW from Microsoft Net: Global Brain ---------- From: 21stCentury_MSN Date: Wednesday, August 23, 1995 4:56 PM To: Special Event Info-Bank Subject: The Net: The Global Brain with Peter Russell The 21st Century Auditorium "Awakening The Global Brain" "GO 21" Chat Archive Background July 12 at 6 PM (Wednesday) Peter Russell "The NET: Awakening The Global Brain" Join world renowned author and management technology is increasing the pace of life. Wherever we are going, we are going there consultant Peter Russell in an open forum on the future. We are all aware how information faster and faster. But where are we going? What does the future hold in store? Peter Russell contends that the next great frontier is not outer space but inner space. Just as the Industrial Revolution laid the ground for the Information Revolution, so the Information Revolution is laying the ground for a revolution in human consciousness, and this will come much faster than most of us anticipate. Mr. Russell is a Columnist for the Future Visions department in 21st Century Online and is author of several books, including The Global Brain Awakens and holds degrees in theoretical physics, experimental psychology, computer science and is a colleague of Stephen Hawking. He was among the first to introduce self-development to the business world and his corporate programs have been applauded by many companies such as IBM, Apple Computer, American Express, Barclay's Bank and British Petroleum. CHAT EVENT TRANSCRIPT 21st Century: Welcome, Peter. Peter_Russell_21C: Thank You. 21st Century: We have many B. Fuller fans here. Can you give us an intro. to the work you've done with him? Peter_Russell_21C: I met him a few times... 21st Century: [To participate in conversation with other members, please open the Chat-Net room.] Peter_Russell_21C: We did some work together...some radio shows together.. I'm a great admirer of his....I think most of all he was a living example of what most of us are aspiring to. And perhaps the most significant thing about Bucky was that he thought for himself. He didn't accept the standard answer but went right back to work things out for himself. Which I think is what we all need to do today much more is CHALLENGE the accepted world-view as Bucky Did. Happy Birthday Bucky! Wherever you are....whatever you're doing... 21st Century: From your intro.: We are linking mind to mind; and by the turn of the millennium we could see the same degree of complexity in the global web as we observe in the web of neurons inside our own heads. What will this mean? Peter_Russell_21C: One of the things that we're beginning to see in terms of our own brains is that the coherence of the functioning across the billions of cells somehow relates to the consciousness that emerges. When the coherence is destroyed we seem to lose consciousness. Conversely, when coherence is increased, as happens with yogis in meditation states, consciousness seems to increase. So we might suppose that something parallel could be happening on a global level. When the complexity of the global web parallels that of the human brain, then if the coherence across the web increases, we might see a raising of global consciousness. Extrapolating how that might be is almost everybody's guess because we are dealing with potential phenomena that are so far beyond our everyday experience. It is difficult to envisage them. There are several interesting parallels between the global brain and the global information web. Firstly, we have about the same number of people on the planet now as there are nerve cells in our own heads. Secondly, if you look at the way the human brain developed, it starts off going through a massive population explosion of nerve cells. This happens during weeks 8 to 13 of pregnancy. When cells are being created at the rate of a million a minute. Then suddenly, the process stops. And for the rest of your life, before you are born and after you are born, the growth of your brain is in the connections between the cells. Until today as an adult, you probably have cells some of which may be making half a million connections with other cells. In a similar way, the human population on this planet has been going through a massive population explosion which now thankfully is beginning to taper off. And, at the same time, we are moving into the next phase which is the interconnection of all these cells. Now it is not the physical connection of the cells that is important but the connection of our minds. This is what the global web is doing, is linking our minds together. 21st Century: So, then, how do you distinguish between what you call a "sane or insane global brain"? Peter_Russell_21C: The difference between sanity and insanity is one of values. On the human level, an insane person is usually one whose values do not fit in with the social law. He or she isn't perceived to be supporting the needs of the group. In a similar way, the global brain if it persists in the materialistic value system that now runs so much of western society could well prove to be insane, because this value system is clearly not in the best interests of the rest of the life on this planet. Nor even, for that matter, in the interest of many of the other human societies on this planet. If our global brain is to be a sane global brain, then as well as linking our minds together, we must also seek to remove from our minds the self-centeredness, greed, and outdated ways of thinking that are causing us to destroy so much of our habitat. So becoming a sane global brain requires a major and widespread shift in consciousness. 21st Century: Do you see the telecommunications web we're creating now as offering the ability to have an impact on these "insane" global values? Peter_Russell_21C: Yes I do. I think at the moment most of our attention is focused on how it's going to become more commercialized and support our current insane value system. But I also see the signs of something else much more hopeful. Happening beneath the scene... I am continually intrigued and amazed by the number of sites on the worldwide web that are focusing on personal development and spiritual issues. I think this is because now in the 90's the concern for a change in consciousness is rising up from the grass roots level. We can see this in the New York Times bestseller list. For the past year, more than half the books in the top 10 have been focusing on personal growth and consciousness in one way or another. And the same is happening on the web. I think the value of any exchange of information is that we can learn from each other. This is the great leap that language gave humanity. We can learn not only from our own experience but also from the experiences of others. As information technology has developed from writing through printing, telephones, television, and now global networks, we have steadily increased our capacities to share our discoveries with each other. And as we have done so, our rate of development has consistently accelerated. The great opportunity in front of us now is to be able to share what we are all discovering in terms of our own inner development... how we can become less self-centered, more mature, and more loving people. The more that we can share that with each other, the faster we will be able to move in that direction. I think this is perhaps the greatest and maybe most unexpected potential of the web. It is somewhat parallel, I feel, to the power that the photograph of the earth taken by the early astronauts had on humanity. It was not a part of the plan, but it touched a very deep nerve. 21st Century: frank_barreca: Isn't' it quiet possible that materialism was behind the innovation [and will be behind the widespread use] of the World Wide Web? Peter_Russell_21C: It is certainly behind it, yes. What I am saying is that something else is happening behind the scenes... which may in the long term have a far more profound impact. But at the moment it certainly is being driven by material motivations. Because that is the world we live in at the moment. But it's a world which we cannot afford to live in for very much longer... because material growth cannot go on for very much longer... because we are close to running out of resources and space. We need to transform the notion of growth and see that the growth of ourselves, of our own thinking and values, may actually have far more to offer now than yet more material growth. There was an interesting study done 30 years ago in which they looked at what percentage of the American population were content with what they had in life. About 30% felt they were happy. Thirty-five years later, the same study was repeated, during which time the standard of living had more than tripled, but the number of people who were happy with what they had in life remained exactly the same. So I think we are becoming aware that endlessly chasing material wealth doesn't actually give us what we really want. What we really want is to become happier, more peaceful, more loving individuals. 21st Century: Greg_Hohman: If an Aware global consciousness emerges, what role do you see the "lower" forms of life and matter playing in this? Many mystics would say that even the stones are conscious, though on a different time scale and to a much lesser degree... Then if you raise the issue of Dolphins, apes? Peter_Russell_21C: I personally believe that all creatures are conscious... all the way down to bacteria. Where we differ is in what we are conscious of. Human beings have much more developed senses and nervous systems than creatures lower down the evolutionary scale. And we are conscious of a lot more of our world. Also, through our ability to share our knowledge and understanding, we are conscious of things that other creatures may know nothing of....such as subatomic levels and chaos mathematics and quasars. Nevertheless, we are all linked together in this huge web of life on the planet, and each species has its own role to play here. Human beings may be the greatest purveyors of information, and we may be the most conscious in that sense, but that doesn't necessarily make us the most important or most desirable. he question of dolphins... dolphins certainly have as complex a nervous system as we do and there is no reason to think they are not as intelligent as we are. hat dolphins seem to have that we don't have at the moment is a much greater capacity for love and sensitivity to other beings. I have swum quite a bit with wild dolphins and have never felt so cared for or understood by any other creature, including human beings. Maybe dolphins have been able to stay in this more open loving mode because they do not have hands. The human hand has given us an incredible ability to manipulate the world around and this may have led us into a false sense of being in control of our own destinies. Dolphins, not having hands, may be much more able to live in the present moment... and not get so caught up in the fears and anxieties that so riddle human consciousness today. 21st Century: BlaineH: You spoke of our need to become more loving. Many people tell me that means to accept people the way they are. How do you balance accepting people as they are with seeing the insanity in a world that needs to change? Peter_Russell_21C: That's a very, very good question... Accepting somebody as they are doesn't mean that you don't try to help them change and become a better person. To me, that sort of loving, unconditional loving, is about not judging a person as being "bad" just because they have a lot of things in their life which have led them to behave in ways that are not supportive to the rest of humanity. ...or the rest of life. It means understanding the person and recognizing that maybe if one had gone through similar experiences, backgrounds, oneself, one would think the same way as they do. So accepting a person as they are is about understanding how they are the way they are. Then I think compassion comes in recognizing that the other person like everybody else would like to be loved, would like to be more at peace...would like to be helped to lead a more happy life. and then finding ways that help them do that. 21st Century: SummerStreet: This is where values and control really come into play. Who determines what a "better person" is? Peter_Russell_21C: It's a difficult question... because we each have many ideas as to what would make a person better in our own eyes. I think in general we can say that somebody who is not deliberately or knowingly doing things that cause pain or suffering or anxiety or discomfort to other beings is a better person in many ways. Bucky talked a lot about integrity, which was partly about living one's own truth....not denying one's own truth, but also living one's truth in a way that does not interfere with another person's ability to live their truth. Buddha said something very similar 2,500 years ago. He said "You should always seek to tell the truth, but if you can't tell the truth in such a way that the other person feels love, then it is better to maintain noble silence -- until you have worked out how to say the truth harmlessly" or something to that effect. 21st Century: How do global networks fit into human evolution? Peter_Russell_21C: I think they are the next natural step in our evolution. If you look at the whole of evolution of life on this planet, one of the dominant trends has been progressive complexification....atoms came together to form molecules, which came together to form cells, which linked together to form multi-cellular organisms such as ourselves. The next logical step in this process is creatures such as ourselves linking together to form a social super-organism. But as I said earlier, this is not a physical linking that's happening, but a linking of minds... across the planet. So I see information technology is performing a critical role in our evolution... and as I also said earlier, it is offering us an enhanced ability to evolve inwardly... and to raise our own level of consciousness. 21st Century: [This is a humorous question, but interesting to consider]: czar_dos: Peter: If the WWW is analogous to the human brain, then would there be a left and right brain? (:> Peter_Russell_21C: Perhaps, perhaps... but I don't think it would be one that would necessarily be spatially divided. In the human brain, the left brain tends to be the more linear and verbal, while the right brain is the more spatial and perhaps poetic. Maybe in the global web these two faculties are somehow coexisting in parallel. There are aspects of the web which are concerned with linear thought and prose text and there are also many aspects relating to art, vision and other qualities associated with the right brain. Just as with the healthy individual, there should be an integration of both sides of the brain. Let us hope that the global brain will have a similar healthy integration of such faculties. 21st Century: Again, from your intro.: Wherever we are going....we are going there faster and faster because of information technology. But WHERE are we going? Peter_Russell_21C: Well.... you want a short answer to this? 21st Century: Yes, please. Peter_Russell_21C: I think the next major area of human development is going to be the human mind. 21st Century: Peter_Russell_21C: I think this is the last great frontier... and I think just as the information age is standing on the shoulders of the industrial age, so the age of consciousness will stand on the shoulders of the information age... and just as information processing can happen much faster than industrial processing, I think that once we really begin to explore the human mind and human consciousness, the rate of development will make today's changes seem very slow in comparison. I have been asked about my vision of the 21st century... I think clearly we are going through a time called "severe crisis." It is going to take a lot of care and wisdom to see ourselves through the end of this century and the beginning of the next, but if we can navigate safely, I think the future can be a very bright one indeed... because as soon as we begin to seriously explore the human mind and begin to understand that as well as we now understand subatomic physics and molecular biology then I think we will stand on the threshold of collectively realizing what all the great saints and philosophers have spoken of for thousands of years.. and which Teilhard de Chardin referred to as the "omega point" of human evolution. -- our collective awakening to our true spiritual potential. Shall we go live for five minutes or so?> 21st Century: There are some good questions waiting...I say yes.. Peter_Russell_21C: okay ...go ahead... everyone ask the questions... SWakefield: You talk about our Information Society, but in the future do you think a energy crisis is inevitable, and if so how much do you think our society will retrogress? Where would that put us with computers and are communication highway? Greg_Hohman: It seems likely that somewhere in our future lies contact with other intelligent species. We are made of fragile flesh and (at this point) our even more fragile mechanisms that extend our reach. What might we carry with us that will enable us to survive 21st Century: syniura: Peter: Can you comment in anyway about Joseph Campbell and "The Inner Reaches of Outer Space" ? Peter_Russell_21C: It's very clear that we need to move away from fossil fuels and shift to renewable sources of energy. czar_dos: Peter: How old are you. In people years? BlaineH: It's been a pleasure to hear your POSITIVE thoughts. Peter_Russell_21C: If we can do that, and it's a big if, then we can probably create all the energy we need... directly or indirectly from the sun. And also information technology is far less energy-hungry than material technology. SummerStreet: I, for one, hope that your view of the direction of our global community is correct. But I fear that the potential for insanity and chaos is great. Peter_Russell_21C: It takes far less energy to send information around the world than it does to send a body around the world. Greg_Hohman: But the trials approaching an "Omega Point" are always hard. czar_dos: Is this the rapture in revelations? Peter_Russell_21C: I think one thing that is very important is that we let go of our fears. I think at the moment we have a lot of fear of other intelligences. That's going to cause us to perhaps be aggressive towards them. Greg_Hohman: Don't think, just dance (while thinking)? Peter_Russell_21C: I think any species that can travel across interstellar space whether physically or psychically must have transcended its own self-centeredness. czar_dos: Am I going to evolve into a pool of plasmic energy? jholland: Probably a question out of order but I've heard that Mr. Fuller was a Theosophist. Is that true? Peter_Russell_21C: ...otherwise it would have probably totally self-destructed. If we are going to meet them as equals, we need to do the same. You already are. ...a pool of plasmic energy. czar_dos: lol - yea! 21st Century: Peter_Russell_21C: ...but a coherently functioning pool. RonDT: It is GREAT to hear intelligent and POSITIVE chat... Thank You Peter Russell... for your insight and views... Now its a question of implementing good ideas ... making them happen... How can we help moving from 19C to 21C values?? syniura: Peter: Can you comment in anyway about Joseph Campbell and "The Inner Reaches of Outer Space" ? SummerStreet: Thank you Peter. You really have made me feel better about our future. Peter_Russell_21C: I think this comes back to Bucky and the integrity we mentioned before. SWakefield: Peter, you have enlightened me!! czar_dos: Thanx - Peter - are you a human or time traveler? Peter_Russell_21C: We should not be afraid to express the truth which we know in our hearts... even though it may contradict everything society is trying to tell us. The more we express the truth in our own hearts, the more we encourage and empower others to do the same. Greg_Hohman: I have seen us as the translators and peacemakers of the universe, no matter how far fetched that seems now. I have also seen God on flesh ... psychic energies, perhaps, that add the strength we need to overcome when necessary ... Peter_Russell_21C: ...and as Bucky said, "Question everything." I think it was Emerson who said, "Express your own truth. Every heart has vibrated to that iron string." That is the way we will lead each other on. czar_dos: Peter: Carl Jung mentioned the collective consciousness; any comments? 21st Century: Thanks to everyone for your great questions. Good night. dddawson: Thanks, Peter. Greg_Hohman: Thanks "Awakening The Global Brain" A Special Preview Event sponsored by 21st Century Online Network With Peter Russell on June 15, 1995 Ricker_MSN: Peter, what is your specialty? Peter_Russel: My specialty is looking at the long term trends in society and challenge our assumptions as to where we might be going or not going. My background comes more from physics and psychology than computer science and I'm particularly interested in where the development of the human mind fits into our growing technology. Host 21stCentury_MSN: Peter, what impact do you expect from the increasing use of Artificial Intelligence software to simplify many business tasks? Peter_Russel: Well I think we're going to see obviously a reduced need for people in many of the tasks we now use people for just as we're seeing completely automated factories I think we will see offices with much fewer personnel. And this is going to put pressure for change on our whole economic system, because we're going to find that many of the things that we have paid people for we will not be paying them for. Our economy is based on paying for human time. We pay nothing for the earth's resources. What we pay for is the added value that human labor gives to those resources. Host 21stCentury_MSN: Followup: What happens to the displaced workers? And the purchases they can't afford to make? Peter_Russel: If artificial intelligence begins to take human time out of the equation, then two things happen. Firstly, the cost of many of our basic services drops dramatically. I'll get to your question in a moment. And, secondly, we have to consider how we are going to distribute our resources amongst people in society. Which probably means rethinking the whole social welfare system. I think in an ideal scenario because the cost will be falling dramatically towards zero we will need to have some form of distribution for everybody for basic resources, some form of token system. But also, I think we will see people moving into many other sorts of occupations-- the caring professions, anything that requires human compassion, human interaction: medicine, that sort of thing, or social welfare programs. I think there will be an increasing need for that sort of activity. But I don't think at the moment we have any serious economic models to look at how we can deal with this displacement. But I think one of the more important things we should be doing is moving ahead and trying to think what will be appropriate models for the distribution of wealth as the requirement for people to work becomes less and less. And just as an afterthought, it's interesting to consider that we've been trying to put ourselves out of work for centuries because all the time we've been trying to increase efficiency and save labor. And now that we are finally beginning to succeed, we realize we never thought how we would cope with that situation. Host 21stCentury_MSN: Ricker_MSN: Peter: Do you feel that society will become more peaceful in the 21st century, due to the amount of anger that is in the world today. GA Peter_Russel: I hope so. I think if it doesn't, I'm not sure if we'll have a society in the 21st century. And as the question implies, I think the reason why we don't have peace either in our society or the world at large because of the fear and anger inside ourselves. And I think the thing that's going to happen in the 21st century is a much greater focus on the human being. I think the human mind is the next great frontier. And society is just beginning to open up to the study of consciousness. As we begin to understand the mind better, I think we will understand why we get ourselves trapped in cycles of fear, aggression and grievances. And we will begin to develop the inner technology, the psychological technology to find peace within ourselves. If we do that, then I think we will be tackling the root cause of many of our problems. A good example is what is happening in Bosnia today. I think it's clear to everybody that people are massacring each other over past grievances and past hatred. If those people were living in a society which knew how to manage those deeper psychological issues, I don't think war would be erupting there. So my hope is that in the future, we will become as good a master of the mind as we now are masters of the material world around us. If that doesn't happen, I'm not sure our civilization will survive. Host 21stCentury_MSN: Todd_O_MSN: Do you think that the increase in usage of on-line services will serve to build better new communities or tear down the existing communities? GA Peter_Russel: Good question. I think it will probably do both. I think like any technology it can be used for constructive or destructive ends. And I like to focus myself on the constructive uses of psychology, because I think it's important to focus on what it is we want to achieve and can achieve. So with the growing networks around the world today, I am sure we are going to see increasing commercialization, exploitation of people. But I think we will also see the networks being used for positive changes in society. And that's what 21st Century Online and we are all about. I think what is happening today in our society is deep and widespread questioning of our value systems. Our attachment to materialism and the financial bottom line. Is being challenged. And people are beginning to appreciate that there are other avenues of growth to be pursued. And I'm thinking here of the sort of inner development, the being able to manage ourselves better, that will be a dominant factor of the 21st century. A critical factor. This new interest has surfaced in this decade. Today if you look at the bestseller books, you will find that nearly every week more than five out of the top 10 are related to personal development in one way or another. This has been the biggest area of growth in the book market over the last few years. And that reflects a widespread interest of society in this area. And I think we are going to see this growing concern manifesting throughout our networks. Even this month I have been amazed at the number of calls I am getting referring to various sites on the worldwide web which are beginning to focus on these issues. So I think there is probably a very unexpected but positive service that our network will perform. I believe there is a vast amount of wisdom within each human being which at the moment our society doesn't encourage. The more that we can share this wisdom with each other, the more we will empower each other to touch into the wisdom we have inside ourselves. And I think that the network being not under the control of the press or government is a very important vehicle for allowing this wisdom to come through. Host 21stCentury_MSN: Inner development is nice, but when the trend is towards more jobs within a family just to maintain status quo, it seems that economic realities become harsher every year. How can we go back to the '50s, when one income was enough? And how can we survive if we don't? GA Peter_Russel: Good question. I think one of the things we have to do is question how much we really need to consume. I think one of the reasons we now need several people to earn an income within a family is that we expect to have many more comforts and luxuries. In the '50's, we lived much simpler lives. And it's also clear that we are going to have to live simpler lives. if we expect the environment to continue supporting humanity. The lifestyle of the average American is clearly unsustainable on a global level. Again, I think this comes to making an inner shift in ourselves. WE have to learn that we can be just as happy perhaps more happy with less things. This requires the courage to stand against what our society continually tells us. Namely, that we will only be happy if we have more things. Host 21stCentury_MSN: Thank you for joining us. To find out more information about Peter Russell, his video documentaries and books, send email to 21NOW