From MAILER-DAEMON@netaxs.com Thu Nov 16 13:11:20 1995 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu [128.205.2.1]) by access.netaxs.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA21000 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:11:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199511161811.NAA21000@access.netaxs.com> Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5829; Thu, 16 Nov 95 13:09:52 EST Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3118; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:04:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:04:10 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at UBVM (1.8b)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9508" To: "Christopher J. Fearnley" Status: RO ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:08:53 -0400 Reply-To: AMKALENAK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AMKALENAK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: M.Python My short list : 1) Basic Intrinsically stabile solids (tetrahedron, octahedron, icosahedron) 2) the geodesic (shortest distance between 2 points) 3) the geodesic dome (including its derivation from the afore mentioned solids) 4) Synergy (Behavior of whole systems unpredicted by its parts taken separately) 5) General systems theory (prediction of parts based on the behavior of the whole) 6) fundemental complementarity (symmetry - unity is plural and at minumum 2) 7) the value of individual initiative 8) ephemerization (doing more and more with progressively less and less) 9) working with evolution and the cosmic trends 10) life as the antientopic compliment of entropic physical universe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:10:54 -0400 Reply-To: JustWINK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: JustWINK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: THE EVOLUTION OF PROGRESS The Evolution of Progress- by C. Owen Paepke "The end of material progress and the beginning of human transformation" (or something like that) Have any of you read this book? I recently discussed it with some people at a Fuller event, saying that it was very Fuller-esque (without a single reference to RBF). Upon thinking about it more, I feel that many of the anecdotal examples the author used were very Fuller-esque, though the overall message was not one that Bucky conveyed. Basically, C.P. attempted to demonstrate that the often- painted picture of unending, ever-accellerating techno- progress is not the case- That, in many ways (not all ways) physical progress is winding down. I won't attempt to paraphrase the author any more than that, but would enjoy hearing from others who might have read it. Wink wink@southwind.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 07:32:45 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah spy222@aol.com (Spy 222) wrote: >Since none of Bucky's disasters have ocurred, I am forced to assume that >they were not such a great possibility, ergo, in large part, media >hype--advertising. >I like the world just the way it is. To quote Bucky, "I wouldn't change >anything." >Ted Campbell >New York City >spy222@alo.com Of course life continues to be tragic and disasterous for so many many humans aboard Spaceship Earth. I, for one, do not like the world just the way it is and am glad that it's changing very quickly, and I hope in positive directions, more than negative. To quote Bucky (who was quoting in turn): "accentuate the positive." Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:26:47 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Bucky's flair for publicity I have seen number, which I don't have at hand, >about how many geodesic domes have been construct. The number is >significant. 1/2 million >Bucky probably had more to do with spreading the concept of synergy than >any other thinker. Now the concept is everywhere. the concept of the behaviour of group is fantastic, befor fuller we have the isolated facts. > >> Worrying about "utopia or oblivion" an advertising come on. It's only a >> shame that the Buckminster Fuller Institute and the World Game haven't >> succeeded in making money at it. If I were running either of those >> organizations it would be. at least spy 222 has humor ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:17:24 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah >> I like the world just the way it is. To quote Bucky, "I wouldn't change >> anything." spy222 must have a good income, and a nice wife. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 07:41:25 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Web Site News (Kirby's) WEB NOTES My web pages on the recent GENI conference now have some pictures. I'll continue upgrading these pages over the next few weeks. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/geni1.html (geni2.html, geni3.html) The detailed mathematics of the Dymaxion Map is starting to make its appearance on the web, thanks to Robert Gray. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/grayhp.html Kirby Janitor (night shift) Synergetics on the Web ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:54:53 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: Bucky's Patent Fixation? Walt wrote: >But to my mind, Fuller's activity and evident ambition during >his 'industrialist' period if you want to call it that just doesn't >square with his extended criticsm of financial capitalism and his >statements like "you can't make money and make sense." Whasamatter Walt, you never did something in your early years that you later found out, after further study, was a bad idea? Not even disco? I agree with Bucky. Making money (as a goal) rarely makes sense. I think that I can rephrase Bucky's statement: "Do what you love, and the money you need will appear as a result". Better? >Perhaps not everyone here knows that Fuller took great care with >his patents from the beginning to make sure they were iron-clad. Most engineers do. If you think Bucky was a bit overbearing, you should read my standard nondisclosure agreement! Can you spell "First Born Child"? >According to the Martin Pawley biography his royalty from those >patents, especially the geodesic dome patents, had reached five or >six figures yearly around the late 60's. Good for Bucky! >RBF did NOT bestow his patents on mankind as some might think. . . He sure did! ALL patents are bestowed upon mankind. After one's patent expires, mankind is free to use your invention without payment of a single penny in royalties. That's why I use "trade secret" status, to avoid this problem (my heirs might need some cash too). >pointing out that he was careful with his patent rights, and he >collected on them. Patents are actually not worth the paper they are printed upon, so don't get your dander up over seeming greedy capitalistic actions by your demi-god. If I patent a widget, I am forced (within the patent) to disclose just about everything someone else needs to make the widget. If some knock-off artist (there are lots) decides to make and sell the widget without paying me, I get the privilege of suing his company and/or him. This forces me to first defend my patent against his usual claim that my patent is invalid, and often, the courts agree with the infringer on this point. If I can prove that my patent is valid, I can, after years of paying a team of very expensive patent lawyers, expect that he will have gone Chapter 11 or Chapter 7 liquidation, leaving me with nothing to collect in damages. Meanwhile, he may have been selling the psuedo-widget for years, and could have undercut my price, done a better job of marketing, etc. etc. So, let's summarize, shall we? 1) Patents cost money to get, sometimes big money. 2) Patents force you to tell the world all about your idea, often in more detail than you would like. 3) If someone rips off your patented design, you must spend MORE money to sue him. 4) If you sue, you may loose any ownership claim you might have had on your design, forcing you to litigate against the ruling of the judge. (More money...) 5) If you win your suit, you are given the ability to TRY to collect from the ripper-offer. These sorta folks have more moves than a midwestern savings and loan executive. Now... what was your complaint? Looks to me like Bucky was using the same legal team we used at Bell Labs... heck, we even patented an EQUATION in the 80s!! As an aside, one the the nicest Bucky books I have is the book "Inventions". This is simply some skimpy text tossed in with decent quality reproductions of some of Bucky's more "popular" patents. Being an all around Renaissance Hack, this book alone would allow me to infringe upon Bucky's patents any time I choose. Strictly speaking, whenever I build a model to show someone some obscure point, I AM INFRINGING!! (Jamie, if you are reading this, I guess I owe you and your mom at least a beer, huh?). The earth is populated by Scientists, who practice the art of infallibility, and Non-Scientists, who are taken in by it. James Fischer jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:54:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: Help Wanted Frank Willis Davis pounded out on his keyboard: >What is all this talk about messiahs, industry, Barbie Dolls? Pardon me and >questions to ask as soon as I see that there are some people serious >about this. If I am in the wrong group and ended up in a philosophy class by >mistake, let me know. Only the group leader has said anything to me about >domes. Gosh, sorry to have offended. Let me offer an apology on behalf on the entire group. Do we have rules now? If so, what are they? Are we only allowed to talk about domes? This sounds just a tad DOMESticated to me... The earth is populated by Scientists, who practice the art of infallibility, and Non-Scientists, who are taken in by it. James Fischer jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:35:22 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Patrick Alessandra Jr." Subject: Re: Help Wanted >What is all this talk about messiahs, industry, Barbie Dolls? Pardon me and >questions to ask as soon as I see that there are some people serious >about this. If I am in the wrong group and ended up in a philosophy class by >mistake, let me know. Only the group leader has said anything to me about >domes. I was told that the synergetics-l e-list was about the mathematical/architectural etc. work and geodesic-l e-list was about Bucky's more general philosophy (like societal evolution, etc.) -- although it's all about his ideas in one form or another. Peace, Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:48:10 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Lockley Subject: Re: Bucky's Patents James, if you'd be willing to put your squirt gun on the table for a moment, up where I can see it, I'd like to respond. My two original criticisms of Fuller (my suspicion that his retroactive statement of purpose but the best face on a string of commercial failures, and Fuller's refusal to submit to any sort of close questioning from traditional scientists) were made to support my point that Fuller is not messiah material. Intelligent, productive, wonderful, yes. Messiah, demi-god, no. Unwillingness to harbor any criticsm of his work amounts to hero worship, which is just silly. It's just silly to try to deify someone who, one, discouraged all such hero-worship vigorously, and two, was so thoroughly dedicated to applying rational principles. That was my point. If you care to come to the defense of those who consult Nine Chains to the Moon like the I Ching in search of some mystical guidance at sunrise, be my guest. Yeah, I own a copy of Inventions too. It's interesting to try to match some of the descriptions to the illustrations, isn't it? Finally, you wrote: > Patents are actually not worth the paper they are printed upon, so don't get your dander up over seeming greedy capitalistic actions by your demi-god. Where did THIS come from? James, let me give you a warm smile and assure you that if my dander leaves the ground, it'll be apparent. Walt klockley@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:18:08 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Dr. Rick Kirschner" Subject: Top Ten Fuller Ideas List For me, the top ten are ( in no particular order...sorry, too much to do today, and I trust you'll have a different order than I would anyway!) That there is a greater intelligence in universe than our own Math as the language of God Math, as currently taught, is based on key fallacies that intuitively make it difficult for children to learn it That we are all unique inventories of human experience That service to all humanity is a basic principle by which life works best Paul In response to your request: That what differentiates humanity from other living creatures is the ability to discern principles and use them as leverage to make a difference More with Less Accelerating Acceleration Mistake Mystique Spontaneous Cooperation The power of individual initiative The TRIMTAB OOPS! It's now a top twelve list!!! Rick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:34:36 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Davis Subject: Re: Help Wanted In-Reply-To: <950801113520_127807898@aol.com> from "Patrick Alessandra Jr." at Aug 1, 95 11:35:22 am Thanks for being so polite in your reply, actually all who replied to me were. I just happen to like domes, find them economical and aesthetically alright. I was never concerned with whether Bucky was a messiah, had a I will develop (or change at my whim) my own philosophy. Talk as you will...just please once in awhile make it about Domes, so I can remain DOMEsticated. Tah. -- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $ WILLIS doing the best I can $ $ for the good of all $ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$ * * * $ $ * *** * $ $ *********** $ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ Life can be great!! fdavis@holli.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:39:01 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Davis Subject: Re: Help Wanted In-Reply-To: <199508011359.JAA00788@crucible.inmind.com> from "jfischer" at Aug 1, 95 09:54:58 am jfischer wrote: > > Frank Willis Davis pounded out on his keyboard: > > >What is all this talk about messiahs, industry, Barbie Dolls? Pardon me and > >questions to ask as soon as I see that there are some people serious > >about this. If I am in the wrong group and ended up in a philosophy class by > >mistake, let me know. Only the group leader has said anything to me about > >domes. > > Gosh, sorry to have offended. > Let me offer an apology on behalf on the entire group. > Do we have rules now? > If so, what are they? > Are we only allowed to talk about domes? > This sounds just a tad DOMESticated to me... I gather that I was under the(I now see) mistaken idea that there was at least a general rule that a group talked about what the group subject was. Allow me to make an even bigger apology. Tah > > > > The earth is populated by Scientists, who practice the art > of infallibility, and Non-Scientists, who are taken in by it. > > James Fischer jfischer@inmind.com > -- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $ WILLIS doing the best I can $ $ for the good of all $ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$ * * * $ $ * *** * $ $ *********** $ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ Life can be great!! fdavis@holli.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:01:35 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah Bucky, when asked how he would change the world, responded, "I wouldn't change a thing." Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com Internet Deprogrammer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:01:40 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah I have neither a good income nor a wife, I was just quoting Buckminster Fuller. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com Internet Deprogrammer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:02:34 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Help Wanted I'm not really a deprogrammer, I'm a library researcher. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:03:20 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Help Wanted Now that we know that trick, it won't work. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:05:04 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Help Wanted Besides I think we learned it from Socrates, not Monty Python. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:30:29 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Bucky's Patents >point. If you care to come to the defense of those who consult >Nine Chains to the Moon like the I Ching in search of some mystical >guidance at sunrise, be my guest. > ( sunapearance) sunrise is compression thinking, + sun eclipse is tensional thinking trying to find quick correctin to inncorrect reflex, i wonder if it is possible. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:23:34 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: M.Python Pardon my further irony, but I think the most important thing that Fuller did was drop-out of Harvard and divest himself from the whole education system. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:48:35 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: Buckist Blasphemy! (fwd) all the great heads in history were wierdos, would you like it any different. Americans are the most wiered group of people in the the world. you should be proud. but just for the heat of it, are you subscribed to other N.G or this the only group you find intresting. i think the book system theoery is not much of a book, it is just some one adding 1+1 = 2 general view of where are some of the links between desciplines. i am surprised that you find it intresting. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:56:43 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "David F. Watkins" Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah In-Reply-To: <3vn0rf$4n7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Ted, Could you give us the context for this Bucky quote? Apparently this is one of the things that Bucky said that he didn't heed. And besides, you are skeptical of Bucky's statements, right Ted? I certainly never thought of Bucky as a messiah or even a saint for that matter. Typically we think of messiahs as having given knowledge. Bucky always made it clear that he had to think to arrive at his knowledge and usually went to great lengths to describe that process, including the mistakes he made along the way. Dave Watkins On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Spy 222 wrote: > Bucky, when asked how he would change the world, responded, "I wouldn't > change a thing." > Ted Campbell > New York City > > spy222@aol.com > > Internet Deprogrammer > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:48:40 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: confession > >hello Ted, > >Personally i have a very bad life and i think part of the reason was >due to the enviroment poverty and ignorance. i did not live even 2% >happy. i had a father who run after the money, he made it but still >i lived as if there ws no money. pardon me i never had feeling >of lack of money. but the surrounding was really miserble. >there was a lot of who prayed mornning and night and they did not know > why exctlly( ignorance) >i read krishnmurti, one of the most intelegent person that i ever >red. in 1979 i read fuller, you have to remmber that i had all >the odds against me in learning anything becuse i live in anguish. >i thought i could die any minute due to any mistake in the country >i come from. i decided then that i will learn everything that >i possible can befor i die. thought i still have problem learning. >so i was going grazy, i was pushing the information inside a full >headed thank. i think i increased the size of the brain and developed >permenent >sort of headech. i find it quite intresting to know different area >i feel more informed. i wish that i do it nicelly and get this headech >or tension out. may be i am totally ronglly wired. >so the point i see this way of education as a salvation to me. >i like what fuller says but more important for me is to know for >myself. i admite that i have certain perspective which tied >to a lot of ideas (global) and in state of suspense for future >resloution.(i am religouslly inclined becuse of earlly >imprssions) but extremlly intrested in intelegence. >my be i am doing what i am doing from terror, and isolation. >since i have no home and i do not like my old one. home meaning >country. >i heard some where that you must be frank about what you are doing. >so do not take this as pleading. i like the truth, i mean the >intelectual truth. i would like to add, i am not pleased by what i see in the world. where you have to pay respect to the stupid police. you have to be obiedent act like slave and do not protest kind of electronic Rome. people act as they deserve what they have if they have it good. it is quite easy to lose your way in the world. it all depends on how weak you are. with other thousand reasons one finds hope in possibilities and also the alurment of possibility of being creative creative again. Bissoa writes give me my days of childhood and take all your gods and profits, give me that comfort of childhood back. i also find it enjoyable to dig in different area of scholarship. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:32:49 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: 8 years of brain ...! Dear Ted, i would like to know what happen in those 8 years where you were Bukcy desciple.I personally just took what he said for granted. and find his views quite satisfying for answering questions specialized desciplines and great thinkers where never answered. i think that everyone is looking for answers to existance, where did you find your rest i hope not in the bible. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:09:04 -0400 Reply-To: Shrsharkey Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Shrsharkey Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Barbie Fuller's Dymaxion Dreamhouse X-To: Walt Lockley You wrote: < According to the Martin Pawley biography his royalty from those patents, especially the geodesic dome patents, had reached five or six figures yearly around the late 60's. Just because something is in print, that doesn't mean it is true (Pawley's book is loaded with errors). >From the late 60's until his death, all Bucky's income and expenses went through my hands and I can assure you that during that time Bucky didn't make a dime on his patents. (My predecessors assure me that was also the case before my time). Yes, Bucky was careful with his patent rights, but he DID NOT collect on them. (Wish he had - we could have put that money to good use!) Have enjoyed your debate about the shore of Lake Michigan, Elvis of Engineering, etc. and agree that Fuller's work should be the subject of constructive criticism on a scientific basis. Don't have time to really participate in your discussions but will feel free to interject corrections when I have personal knowledge of the facts. Shirley Sharkey ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:14:59 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: UPLOAD PROBLEMS Hi Everyone, Well, I'm still having technical problems. Everything works except I can't upload anything! AARRRGGGHHH!! Haven't forgot your e-mail to me, just been preoccupied. Say a prayer to the modem gods for me. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 16:46:04 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Lockley Subject: Bucky's income on patents Shirley, you wrote: >From the late 60's until his death, all Bucky's income and expenses went through my hands and I can assure you that during that time Bucky didn't make a dime on his patents. (My predecessors assure me that was also the case before my time). Yes, Bucky was careful with his patent rights, but he DID NOT collect on them. (Wish he had - we could have put that money to good use!) >Have enjoyed your debate about the shore of Lake Michigan, Elvis of Engineering, etc. and agree that Fuller's work should be the subject of constructive criticism on a scientific basis. Don't have time to really participate in your discussions but will feel free to interject corrections when I have personal knowledge of the facts. Shirley, thanks very much for the correction. Learning more about Bucky's finances would certainly be intriuging, but you don't have the time, and it's probably none of my business anyway! :-) Thanks again. Walt klockley@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:23:05 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Patrick Alessandra Jr." Subject: Re: confession >with other thousand reasons one finds hope >in possibilities and also the alurment of possibility of being creative >creative again. Bissoa writes give me my days of childhood >and take all your gods and profits, give me that comfort of childhood >back. As a buddhist/theosophist/synergist/hindu I feel comfortable saying the following: "None shall enter the kingdom lest they do so as a little child." "The truth shall set you free," "...and the greatest of these is Love." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:23:24 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah spy222@aol.com (Spy 222) wrote: >Bucky, when asked how he would change the world, responded, "I wouldn't >change a thing." >Ted Campbell >New York City I'm not familiar with this quote. He often said his mission was to change the environment, not people. Operative word is still change. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 19:18:39 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blaine DAmico Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah In-Reply-To: <3vofrp$k2v@maureen.teleport.com> Wasn't it "Reform the environment not the man". Somehow the connotation of reform seems more directed than just change and I believe that reform was the word Bucky in fact used. On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Kirby Urner wrote: > spy222@aol.com (Spy 222) wrote: > > >Bucky, when asked how he would change the world, responded, "I wouldn't > >change a thing." > >Ted Campbell > >New York City > > I'm not familiar with this quote. He often said his mission was to > change the environment, not people. Operative word is still change. > > Kirby > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 19:21:27 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blaine DAmico Subject: Re: M.Python Comments: To: Spy 222 In-Reply-To: <3vn24m$559@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I recall Fuller saying something similar in education automation. On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Spy 222 wrote: > Pardon my further irony, but I think the most important thing that Fuller > did was drop-out of Harvard and divest himself from the whole education > system. > > Ted Campbell > New York City > > spy222@aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:07:51 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: On Patents ON PATENTS Of course Fuller's own explanation for his obsession with patents was that he was trying to build the case for "what the individual could do" -- not that he was the only such individual, quite the contrary: ALL vital advances have their basis in the integrity of the individual mind (and of course individuals integrate info from other individuals). But the trend is to subsume individuals under vast corporate pseudo- humans (creatures in legal scifi), such that all the intellectual advances are owned by Fujitsu, Xerox and Kodak. We never hear about the individual (faceless) humans who are contributing their genius, because the ahuman legal entities get all the credit (and most of the profits). Fuller was bucking this trend, trying to restore our faith in the "little me" that we are being trained to think of as powerless and semi-irrelevant. BTW, I think Shirley Sharkey, RBF's personal assistant for many years, contributed a valuable historical tidbit with her assertion that Bucky was not collecting big bucks on his patents. He did claim a six figure income in Grunch of Giants as I recall. And he talked about how it takes such a CEO-level income to enjoy the freedoms and benefits that, by design, all of us might enjoy. He also asked us whether we can give up being resentful towards others when they seem to be enjoying themselves. Like, is it OK with you if I enjoy a high living standard? Someday, I'd like to do a paper comparing Nietzsche's discussion of "resentment" and how overcoming this would lead to a new human prototype (of which the Arayan NAZIs were NOT an instance -- misreadings of Nietzsche abound). I think if I did a scholarly paper on "Fuller as Nietzsche's Overman" I'd stir up a LOT more fuss and flak than Campbell's recent provocations have done. But I don't have the time to indulge in such projects right now. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:08:51 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: On "Catastrophes that didn't happen" ON "CATASTROPHES THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN" In Grunch of Giants, Fuller suggested a critical either/or point was but months ahead (utopia or oblivion). I think he himself sincerely felt it was "touch and go" as he so often said (that can also be read as a sports metaphor: a relay race). We don't see utopia, we don't see oblivion, so maybe we conclude Fuller was living in a fantasy world. So argues Ted, adding that Fuller wanted to suck us into this fantasy to feed his egomania. On the other hand, Fuller was indeed a major player on the world stage. Critical Path contains information that Fuller presents as a major declassification of military secrets: the submarine aircraft carriers that "even Congress didn't know about" (close paraphrase) -- and he hopes in the intro that he hasn't betrayed anyone's trust for what he's going to tell the world. While in DC, I worked hard to follow-up on that factual assertion (i.e. that these inventory items actually exist), kind of as a reality check on Critical Path (which contains lots of wild speculation; at least this was a simple fact, either true or false). I got a magazine article from the CDI archives saying USA military planners lusted for such craft, but making no mention of any existing Soviet models (lost the citation for now). Admiral Gorshkov of the USSR made some vague references to his subs being special somehow in his book on the Soviet fleet. We certainly never got any simple confirmation or denial via any of the Critical Path book reviews. Anyway, if such vessels did exist, they'd be major tourist attractions (we have an old diesel here in Portland that gets a lot of museum goers). So I wrote to then Mayor Koch about getting an exhibit birth ready somewhere in the Port Authority area. I was a busy bee back then, churning out letters to lots of people in the Reagan administration and media organizations about all sorts of stuff. I don't think its insignificant history that a man who writes "the USA we have known is bankrupt and extinct" should also receive the Medal of Freedom from a USA president. I bugged the Washington Post about not connecting these facts for the reading public. Like, c'mon folks, lets get a handle on this! Now that we have the web, I can (and do) make my own history pages accessible to a global audience without waiting for the newspapers (e.g. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/grunch.html). And if I were nervous in the Soviet Union about whether the USA was a sensible entity or a half-crazed cowboy (you recall the Reagan years? -- talk about a wild ride!), I might take some comfort in the fact that Fuller was (a) getting big audiences right up to the end and (b) getting Medal of Freedom status from USA/Reagan. Hey, that's a good sign! My point here (which was already made earlier by another poster) is what any serious historian already knows: the closer you get to the present, the harder it is to tell the story, because too many facts remain obscured. Takes time for the records to become available. That's just a fact of life. So when it comes to judging Fuller's impact, and whether we passed or failed some critical "final exam," I think at this point we just have to admit that its too early to have a coherent debate. For now, we can have our opinions, our prejudices. Indeed Fuller's place in history will continue to be re-evaluated as the centuries pass (this is just the way it is with history; each age tells it differently). The idea that you and I, in 1995, are obligated to come up with some "final verdict" is, to my way of thinking, rather ridiculous. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:09:26 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: On "Being Topical" ON "BEING TOPICAL" The question has been raised as to what is appropriate content for this group. To the general public, 'geodesic' means 'dome' so the logical perception is that we're hear to discuss domes. To cartographers and some others, 'geodesic' has more to do with 'geodetic' and satellite surveying; we've gotten a few inquiries along those lines by wayward posters. To Fuller, "geodesic" has a more sweeping meaning, akin to "principle of least action" or "most economical distance between points A and B, all things considered" so we could expand along these lines to explore "how to get there from here in the shortest, most efficient way?" -- but that's stretching it, since most people don't read such meanings into "geodesic" and newsgroups have some obligation to fit into cultural expectations. My advice, then, is that we remain courteous to those who question whether our raging debates on non-dome issues are off-topic. I am not a subscriber to this group myself, having resigned in protest long ago over the fact that we seem to have no active list owner. But I've continued to drop in through the newsgroup interface. People frustrated with "off-topic" tendencies (e.g they want info about domes) should be informed that the bitnet.listserv.geodesic interface exists, and they can simply skip over subjects that appear uninteresting to them. Usually, when one subscribes to a list, an orientation sheet is emailed to the new subscriber. If we had an active list owner, e could forewarn about the various interpretations about what is topical, and explain the newsgroup option. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:10:26 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: On Computerizing BFI Archives ON COMPUTERIZING BFI ARCHIVES At the recent GENI conference, someone (I forget his name) involved with a project called Knowlege Tree announced to the group that his dream was to make the contents of the BFI archives available over the internet. How could this be done (new thread proposed?). I think the basic concept here is one of online web forms hooked to cgi-scripts which pass parameters to a database server. In non-UNIX world, we have now have Visual FoxPro, which has robust client/server capabilities on the one hand, and the ability to act as a DDE server on the other. Already, we have web sites showing how FoxPro can serve up web pages or references thereto in response to user-typed keywords. According to this scenario, a scholar could access BFI and type "Frank Lloyd Wright" and get back a list of HTML pages, FTP resources etc. culled from the archives. That's one vision. We could collect various proposals via this list in case BFI wants to explore them later. Of course that's stretching the concept of "geodesic" again (see my post ON "BEING TOPICAL"). Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:45:48 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah Well, I don't have a Buckminster Fuller reference library on hand, but I believe that Bucky was meaning to say that since "God does not make mistakes" he would not suppose to second guess God, ergo he would "not change a thing." Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:45:50 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Natural Leadership *not* messiah If I have time I'll try to find a source, unless someone else has it on hand. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:52:48 -0400 Reply-To: Spy 222 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spy 222 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: 8 years of brain ...! Synergetics is, really, a specialization. Everything isn't in the Bible, but when you look at documents, thoughts set on paper, writings (representations of thought), you should see that the Bible has shaped the world more than any other document, which makes it the most important one if you're trying to understand the motions of the culture. Whether one believes in the the Bible or not, if you want to understand this world, what moves great civilizations, you must know it. During the eight years that I studied Buckminster Fuller I studied alot of philosophy--Whitehead, Northorp, Bertalanffy, Einstein's lay writings, Fuller, Fuller, Fuller. I worked for the Buckminster Fuller Institute on and off for a few months. I wrote a paper on teleology <>and one on tetrahelixes <> (unfinished) which took about three years and built models to represent the ideas in the tetrahelix paper. I traveled around the U.S. and Canada propagating Buckminster Fuller's Ideas. Then I took up the study of ancient languages and dropped the whole thing. Ted Campbell New York City spy222@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:52:01 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: On Patents . I think if I did a scholarly paper >on "Fuller as Nietzsche's Overman" I'd stir up a LOT more fuss and >flak than Campbell's recent provocations have done. But I don't have >the time to indulge in such projects right now. > >Kirby so Kirby, do you really think that Ted have no valid basis for his criticism of Fuller. I like to know if his intention is to creat fuss. or sincer consern about the truth. or may be i should ask him instead. i think the strongest heads in the fight is you and him, let have fun while we are at it. it seems to me that he is using a carful stratagey of criticism being myself not so inclined i would like to know the rules of the game. one i ditected is the principle of being very short and not let your enemy know completly your possition. do not get me rong i respect such a person who really wants to get at finding the truth, it is just he should let us know more. and if it is the case he has some strong arguments i like to know may be i can see that i am going in the rong direction. but if not let us be clear about it. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 05:13:04 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Dr. Rick Kirschner" Subject: Re: "I wouldn't change a thing" On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Spy 222 wrote: > Bucky, when asked how he would change the world, responded, "I wouldn't change a thing." Dave Watkins asked: > Could you give us the context for this Bucky quote? I don't know where old Ted got it from, but I recall reading this in a book called 'Fuller's Earth.' It's a thin little book in which Bucky spends time with 3 teenagers, showing them the fallacies in the basic math they were being taught in school, and then answering their questions about his ideas of what the future might be like. I believe it is the final question asked of him, regarding politics and social order., and the perception of the kids that things weren't working and needed to be fixed, perhaps by politicians and presidents: (paraphrase...I no longer have that book)"If you could change anything, what would you change?" Bucky''s answer had to do with the fact that he saw that there is a greater integrity to universe than our limited perceptions allow, that everything is working out, therefore nothing is wrong, that it would be arrogant of him to try and manipulate the situation politically (I don't recall if he used the word 'arrogant' , I'm just trying to recreate my memory of the mood in his statement) and so he wouldn't change a thing based on the idea of righting something that's wrong. Hope that helps, Rick ******************************** Buckminster Fuller said "If humanity does not opt for integrity, we are through completely. It is absolutely touch and go. Each one of us could make the difference." Dr.Rick Kirschner, ND Co-Owner, Creative Director R&R Productions ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:28:51 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "< Tagdi>" Subject: Re: 8 years of brain ...! In Message Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:52:48 -0400, Spy 222 writes: >Synergetics is, really, a specialization. Everything isn't in the Bible, what do you mean that it is specialization, since by definition it is a general perspective of many parts. >but when you look at documents, thoughts set on paper, writings >(representations of thought), you should see that the Bible has shaped the >world more than any other document, which makes it the most important one >if you're trying to understand the motions of the culture. so i guss you are one of the people who undrstand the bible, sinc not long ago there was a big world wide confrence in Utrecht ( acity which sighned a document for slavery in 19 century),a christian confrence i have never seen any christian who i have seen anything admirable about . all i see is selfintrest in salvation sort of ignorant stupidity as if god have chose them to just open thier mouths. i kind of like that jock ( there is one cristian and he died on the cross) > >Whether one believes in the the Bible or not, if you want to understand >this world, what moves great civilizations, you must know it. > >During the eight years that I studied Buckminster Fuller I studied alot of >philosophy--Whitehead, Northorp, Bertalanffy, Einstein's lay writings, Northorp kind of bnoring is in he, i did not read him just looked at his books. i think in the above besides whitehead philosophy the rest are quite difficult to hold the book. what do you think of whithead ideas. I traveled around the U.S. and Canada propagating Buckminster Fuller's >ideas. Then I took up the study of ancient languages and dropped the i can see that languages can make for intresting different kind of thinking. but what do you think of Fuller geometry. or are you not scientific minded. the 2 culture dilama. what is your perspective now. should we all quite and do somthing else. what do you think. is it more profitable in termes of learning. oh i forgot i meant to talk about Karl Marx, does anybody know how much was his income. in end of 19 century a servent earned one dollar a week working 12 hours a day may be that has somthing to do with why Marx have penetrated the destiny of humanity. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:53:23 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Mac Cosham Subject: Re: On Computerizing BFI Archives Dear Kirby I would like to see synergetics 1 and 2 digitized. At my mac user club I saw the "Biible" digitized so that it could be accessed in many ways. It would make it a lot easier to study if one could look back and forth and bring images up on the screen. swami dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:34:31 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Patrick Alessandra Jr." Subject: Re: On Computerizing BFI Archives Great idea, I've scanned in / digitizedseveral books (other topics) myself using my little scanner and text reading program and for me (using a Mac) it took about 1 minute per page. But once, creating topical compilations is great!. Peace, Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 03:41:24 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bill Cmelak Organization: Omnifest Subject: Inventions Hello everyone, After seeing an old newsreel segment showing Fuller's Dymaxion car I have been interested in him. I also am intrigued by his design of the geodesic dome. I have been following this newsgroup for several weeks in order to glean more information about Buckminster Fuller. However, most of the correspondence here has been centered on his ecological ideas and ideals. While I find that interesting, I am not yet as curious about those aspects of him. I realize that apparently his concepts for our habitation of this planet and world should be first and foremost topics I should study. I also dislike how our world is being trashed with little hope for improvement through rational changes. Pardon me for getting slightly off my intent there. I have sent to the BFI for literature regarding Bucky and most of what they send out seems to pertain to his earth related concepts. What I am interested in is in depth details about the Dymaxion car, the geodesic dome and any of his other progressive inventions. Would someone please tell me the titles of some books which cover the areas that I wish to learn more about. Preferably titles still in print although I plan to go to the library and search for books as well. I would appreciate it. Perhaps if I get to know Fuller better on the level I seek, I may gravitate toward his more lofty endeavors. Sincerely, Bill Cmelak ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:22:26 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Subject: Synergetic Atomic Model I just can't let James Fischer's foolishness go unanswered. His "experiment" is absurd - and whatever happened to the stirring straws? I thought maybe he was setting up some sort of tensegrity sphere with those, but no luck. Speaking of tension-integritry, that's what holds the Synergetic Atomic Model together (continuous gravitational tension between discontinuous compression struts; each strut being a vector that models a specific amount of energy/mass). No, James, it isn't glue. In regard to the problem of particles being in more than one place at one time, the S.A.M. uses fractal fields to allow a particle to project values/variables across space/time without changing the particle. James, or anyone else, can send me a snail mail address to get hard copy graphics and info on the S.A.M., then he and his friends with advanced degrees (apparently in pool antics) can grade me to their hearts content. Sincerely, Steven Lee Combs Syncorswim, Inc. syncswim@world.std.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 12:46:19 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: Synergetic Atomic Model > I just can't let James Fischer's foolishness go unanswered. Smile when you say that, partner. >His "experiment" is absurd But not as absurd as some others I could name. >- and whatever happened to the stirring straws? The straws are (depending on the amount of explosives used) either destroyed in the explosion, or recoverable from the bottom of the pool. The straws could be glued into a simple tetrahedron, or other shape, and as such are a new geodesic shape --- the "TimeBombStar". Tounge firmly planted in cheek, james Half of the people are stoned, and the other half are waiting for the next election. Half of the people are drowned, and the other half are swimming in the wrong direction. james fischer jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:21:04 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FULLY FUNCTIONAL Hi Everyone, It would appear that my system is now fully functional. My new modem has error detection, error correction, and data compression. My new telecommunication software works just fine with my new operating system. Now I just have to catch up with all the messages you have been posting! Please bear with me; it will take a while. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:24:30 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BFVI UPDATE THE BUCKY FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE by Joe S. Moore Updated July 29, 1995 * = New or Changed PD = Public Domain *Please Send Any Additions, Deletions or Corrections to joemoore@cruzio.com =========================================================================== * TABLE OF CONTENTS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER AGRICULTURE FTP ORGANIZATIONS ARCHIVES FULLERENES ATMOSPHERE PATENTS GENERAL PICTURES BOOKS GEOMETRY POPULATION GLOSSARY CALENDARS QUOTES CITIES IRC CLASSES SEARCH CLOTHING LISTS SIMULATIONS STATISTICS DEBT MAGAZINES DEMOCRACY MAPS TRANSPORTATION DOMES MEDIA, MAGNETIC MEDICAL UPDATE ENERGY, RENEWABLE MUSIC EDUCATION WATER NEWSGROUPS NEWSLETTERS =========================================================================== GENERAL INFORMATION: OVERVIEWS, SUMMARIES, ETC. *ARTICLES, ESSAYS, ETC. (ELECTRONIC) Bucky Fuller (Robert A. Wilson) http://www.nets.com/site/raw/fuller.html Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute (Richard Henderson & Joe Moore) http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html Bucky's Grand Strategy (Joe S. Moore) http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html Doing the Right Things (Medard Gabel & Evan Frisch) http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/doright.html Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Chris Fearnley) http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf/fuller-faq.html Guinea Pig "B" (from 'Inventions') (R. Buckminster Fuller) http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/crywalt/inventions/Bucky.html World Game (Robert A. Wilson) http://www.nets.com/site/raw/game.html World Game Home Page (Chuck Dingee) http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drhome.html What the World Wants...and How to Pay for It (WGI staff) http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/wwants.html DATABASES Bucky Public Domain (Moore) ftp://switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/RBFdb.lha Global Recall (WGI) XTM00002@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU FILTERING SERVICES NetNews Filtering Server (Body: "help") netnews@db.stanford.edu PICTURES Bucky Public Domain 1A http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/jm_gall.html Bucky Public Domain 1B http://switchboard.ftp.com/1/BF Bucky Public Domain 2 http://www.newciv.org/Bucky/BuckyPics.html Planet Earth 1 http://www.nosc.mil/planet_earth/photos.html Planet Earth 2 http://www.nosc.mil/planet_earth/earth_images.html * Satellite Images http://gopher.awis.auburn.edu:70/I/images/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AGRICULTURE DEFORESTATION WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html#SUS2 FOOD WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drfeed.html NEWSGROUPS Food sci.agriculture SOIL EROSION WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARCHIVES, SEARCHABLE Geodesic listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ATMOSPHERE *ANIMATIONS * Spherical Anims of Earth's Cloudforms (Pending; Eric J. Morris; PC?) * Spherical Visions eric@pacificrim.net *OZONE DEPLETION * ARTICLES WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html#SUS3 *WARMING, GLOBAL * ARTICLES * Global Warming WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html#SUS5 * SIMULATIONS * Windows for Image (Greenhouse Effect Simulation & Analysis; IBM-PC) * ME ftp://ftp.santafe.edu/pub/gmk/2050/Modeling/wim94-demo/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- BIBLIOGRAPHIES ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- BOOKS (PAPER UNLESS NOTED "D" FOR DIGITAL) BY BUCKY 4D Timelock bfi@aol.com And It Came to Pass--Not to Stay bfi@aol.com Buckminster Fuller Reader bfi@aol.com Cosmography: A Posthumous Scenario for the Future of Humanity bfi@aol.com Cosmography: A Posthumous......... http://intertain.com/store/welcome.html Critical Path bfi@aol.com Earth, Inc. bfi@aol.com Education Automation bfi@aol.com Grunch of Giants bfi@aol.com Ideas and Integrities (Dave Morrison Books; used) morrison@teleport.com Ideas and Integrities bfi@aol.com Intuition bfi@aol.com Nine Chains to the Moon bfi@aol.com No More Second Hand God bfi@aol.com Operating Manual for SpaceShip Earth bfi@aol.com Synergetics (I): Explorations in the Geometry of thinking bfi@aol.com Tetrascroll: Goldilocks & the Three Bears morrison@teleport.com Tetrascroll: Goldilocks & the Three Bears bfi@aol.com Utopia or Oblivion: The Prospects for Humanity bfi@aol.com World Game:Integrative Resource Utilization Planning Tool (DIGITAL) Table of Contents http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html BY OTHERS 50 Years of Design Science Revolution & the World Game (?, ed) bfi@aol.com A Fuller Explanation (Edmundson) bfi@aol.com Basic Bucky (PD; D) (Moore) http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html Bucky: A Guided Tour of Buckminster Fuller (Kenner) morrison@teleport.com Bucky for Beginners (Laycock) bfi@aol.com * Bucky's 100s (publication pending) (Hoberman, ed) ? @ ? * Bucky Works (publication pending) (Baldwin) ? @ ? Buckminster Fuller: Autobiographical Monolog/Scenario (Snyder) bfi@aol.com Buckminster Fuller: Autobiographical...... (Snyder) morrison@teleport.com Development Pattern of Geometric Structures (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller (Marks) morrison@teleport.com Dome-It-Yourself Instruction Book (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is EDC Booklet (163 Domes & Projects '72-92) (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is * Ho-Ping: Food for Everyone (Gabel) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu Nature's Forms (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is Non-Being and Somethingness (Hample) morrison@teleport.com Synergetics Dictionary (Applewhite) bfi@aol.com World Game Map Teacher Resources Guide (staff)xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CALENDARS (PAPER UNLESS NOTED OTHERWISE) 1995 Buckminster Fuller Centennial Calendar bfi@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CITIES AIR LAND SEA Oceania Project http://oceania.org/ SPACE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CLOTHING, JEWELRY, ETC. EARRINGS Celestial Orb (Design Science Toys) stuq@mhv.net KEY RINGS Marble Globe (GENI) geni@cerf.net *MUGS * Earth from Space (Geosphere Project) http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html NECKLACES Pendant Celestial Orb (Design Science Toys) stuq@mhv.net T-SHIRTS Global Awareness Unfolding (BFI) bfi@aol.com Connect the World with GENI (GENI) geni@cerf.net * Earth From Space http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html Natural Spaces Dome Logo (NS) c/o donh@hoflin.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPUTER, ULTRA-MICRO ARTICLES HARDWARE Applied Synergetics (Rick Bono) http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/index.html Bono's Picture Gallery http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/rb_gall.html SOFTWARE Applied Synergetics (Rick Bono) http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEBT National http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drdebt.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEMOCRACY, ELECTRONIC Voting By Phone Foundation (Evan Ravitz) evan@welcomehome.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOMES, GEODESIC ARCHITECTS, CONSULTANTS, DESIGNERS, ETC. * Chu, Russell (Tensegrity Structural Systems) * RCHU@aol.com * Clinton International Design Consultants * Joseph D. Clinton c/o donh@hoflin.com Fuller & Sadao, PC c/o EdApple@aol.com Thorsteinn, Einar, DI kingdome@mmedia.is Kingdomes Home Page http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome/ MANUFACTURERS, DEALERS, ETC. Aluminum Geodesic Spheres (AGS) FL, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com American Ingenuity, Inc. FL, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com GeoDomes Woodworks CA, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Hexadome of America, Inc. CA, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Key Dome FL, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Kingdomes TX, USA kingdome@mmedia.is Monolithic Constructors, Inc. TX, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Natural Spaces, Inc. MN, USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Shelter Systems CA, USA c/o joemoore@cruzio.com Timberline Geodesics CA, USA TLineDomes@aol.com MODELS * 1 2 3 4 Sphere Kit (21") by A.G.S. Products bfi@aol.com Geodesic Dome Kit (BFI) bfi@aol.com Glitter Globes (Karl Schmidt; Transtronics) kschmidt@databank.com Hoberman Sphere bfi@aol.com Hoberman Sphere stuq@mhv.net Kingdome Models (5) (Einar Thorsteinn) kingdome@mmedia.is Synergy Ball (P Salsbury Designer; Design Science Toys) bfi@aol.com Synergy Ball (P.Salsbury Designer; Design Science Toys) stuq@mhv.net TensegriToy by Tensegrity Systems bfi@aol.com TensegriToy by Tensegrity Systems stuq@mhv.net NEWSGROUPS Architecture alt.architecture.alternative PICTURES Araki, Yoshiaki (Synergetics Institute, Japan) Pine Dome Project http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/dome.html Dickson, Stewart (Geometry & Geodesic Domes) http://mathsource.wri.com/~mathart/portfolio/SPD_Geo_port_detail.html#capsi Geary, Carol Stained Glass Dome http://sunsite.unc.edu/otis/pers/Geary_C.html Siqueira, Rodrigo (Tensegrities pics & text) http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html Wright, Vedder Plastic Fork Dome http://world.std.com/~vwright/hobbies.html SOFTWARE Dome Data Generator ftp://ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/povray/utilities/geodome.zip Dome Generator avalon.chinalake.navy.mil/pub/utils/misc/geodesic_obj.uue Geodome software, Pics and Text http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html TEXTS Birth of the Geodesic Dome--How Bucky Did It (Lloyd Seiden) http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html DOME magazine (Paper, Don. Hoflin, ed, Quarterly,CO) donh@hoflin.com Domes in Australia ( ? ) http://www.iinet.com.au/~mktrecom/corringe/wilja.html Earthquake in Japan (Yoshiaki Araki) http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/disaster.html Miscellaneous DOME Magazine Articles (Einar Thorsteinn) cindyk@hoflin.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDUCATION CLASSES, COURCES, LECTURES Dome (Natural Spaces, Inc.) c/o donh@hoflin.com Kingdome Correspondence Course kingdome@mmedia.is CURRICULA Project Synergy (Gerry Segal) GERRY@BNK2.BNKST.EDU *EVENTS 1995 * Bucky Fuller Centennial Celebration ("Fall", Philadelphia, PA, USA) * WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * Bucky Centennial Event (Nov ??, New York, NY, USA) Cathedral of St.John the Divine ? @ ? * 1996 ILLITERACY WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drlit.html WORKSHOPS Diversity (WGI) XTM00002@DUVM.ocs.DREXEL.edu Energy Environmental (WGI) XTM00002@DUVM.ocs.DREXEL.edu K-12 School (WGI) XTM00002@DUVM.ocs.DREXEL.edu World Issues (WGI) XTM00002@DUVM.ocs.DREXEL.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ENERGY, RENEWABLE GENERAL DISTRIBUTION (GLOBAL ENERGY GRID) ANIMATIONS * Global Electrical Grid (10 min; IBM-PC Compatible; Russell D. Hoffman) * GENI geni@cerf.net * Compuserve (Keyword: ANISOFT) ( VGA) GENI_VGA.ZIP * (Keyword: ANISOFT) (SVGA) GENI.ZIP * America On-Line (Keyword: ANIMATED SOFTWARE) ( VGA) GENI_VGA.ZIP * (Keyword: ANIMATED SOFTWARE) (SVGA) GENI.ZIP ESSAYS/ARTICLES The Global Energy Grid (Robert Anton Wilson) http://www.nets.com/site/raw/grids.html The Global Energy Grid (World Game Institute) http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drnrg.html#NRG2 * The GENI Model: The Interconnection of Global Power Resources to Obtain * an Optimal Global Sustainable Energy Solution (Dekker, Meisen & Bruton) * http://www.cerf.net/geni/Text/Simulation_Article.html EFFICIENCY ARTICLES Energy Efficiency WGI http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drnrg.html NEWSGROUPS General sci.energy Renewable alt.energy.renewable PRODUCTION STORAGE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL (FTP) DOWNLOAD & UPLOAD SITES Critical Path Project (UL) cpp.critpath.org/incoming/ Kaplowitz, Dave (DL) switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/ Kaplowitz, Dave (UL) switchboard.ftp.com/incoming/ New Civilization Network (DL) ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/ New Civilization Network (DL) ftp.newciv.org/pub/Synergetic_Geometry/ New Civilization Network (UL) ftp.newciv.org/incoming/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/bin/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/docs/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/images/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/movies/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (UL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/in.coming/ Wardley, Andy (DL) ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/povray/HALL_OF_FAME ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- FULLERENES ANIMATIONS Carbon-60 http://chem-www.mps.ohio-state.edu/~lars/moviegif/ex6.mpg MODELS Bucky Ball Carbon-60 Molecule (Mondo-Tronics) bfi@aol.com Bucky Ball Carbon-60 Molecule (Mondo-Tronics) mondo@mondo.com One-Piece Carbon-60 Sphere (A.G.S. Products) bfi@aol.com PICTURES Fullerene Structure Library http://sbchm1.sunysb.edu/msl/fullerene.html Mitshuho Yoshida's Fullerene Gallery http://cochem2.tutkie.tut.ac.jp:8000/member/yoshida/fuller/Fuller.html#fuller SUNY Stony Brook University http://buckminster.physics.sunysb.edu/ Sussex University http://www.susx.ac.uk/Users/kroto/fullgallery.html TEXTS Buckyball: An Excruciatingly Researched Report (Rodrigo Siqueira) http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html UPDATE SERVICES (AUTOMATED E-MAIL) Articles (Body: "help") bucky@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu News http://www.physik.uni-oldenburg.de/bucky/htmls/bucky.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- GEOMETRY, SYNERGETICS DATABASES, POLYHEDRA Index Page http://www.netlib.org/polyhedra/index.html GENERAL Synergetics-on-the-Web (Kirby Urner) Home Page http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html Art Gallery Index http://www teleport.com/~pdx4d/ftp/artindex.html MODELS Celestial Orb by stuq@mhv.net Cubocta-Flex (Stuart Quimby) by stuq@mhv.net Dodeca by stuq@mhv.net Dodeca-Flex by stuq@mhv.net FeeBee/WeeBee by stuq@mhv.net Flex-Star-3 by stuq@mhv.net Flex-Star-4 by stuq@mhv.net Flex-Star-6 by stuq@mhv.net Icosa-Flex by stuq@mhv.net OctaBug by Design Science Toys bfi@aol.com OctaBug by Design Science Toys stuq@mhv.net PolyGonzo by stuq@mhv.net Quad-Rhom by stuq@mhv.net Quix-I by stuq@mhv.net Quix-II by stuq@mhv.net Rhoma by stuq@mhv.net RhomBlocks by stuq@mhv.net Roger's Connection by Design Science Toys bfi@aol.com Roger's Connection by Design Science Toys stuq@mhv.net Stik-Trix by stuq@mhv.net Tetra-Star-8 by stuq@mhv.net Turn-About by stuq@mhv.net Vector Flexor (VE) by Da Mert Company bfi@aol.com VectorSphere-I by stuq@mhv.net VectorSphere-II by stuq@mhv.net VexaHedron by stuq@mhv.net MOVIES (ANIMATIONS) Hawkins, Richard Synergetics Movies http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/ PICTURES De Jong, Gerald Gallery http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/gdj_gall.html Fearnley, Chris Gallery http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/cf_gall.html Getty, Tom Polyhedra http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tgettys/poly.html Hart, George Pavilion of Polyhedrality http://www.li.net/~george/pavilion.html Hawkins, Richard Synergetics Pics http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/ Plank, Jim _ http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/pics/origami/keleido-pics/pics.html Origami http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/pics/origami/origami.html Urner, Kirby Polyhedra http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ku_gall.html SOFTWARE Geometry Center (Univ. of Minnesota) software@geom.umn.edu Geometry Forum http://forum.swarthmore.edu/ Geomview 1.1 (3mb) ftp://geom.umn.edu/pubgeomview/geomview-bin.tar.Z Miscellaneous http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/sw_gall.html PolyWog 3-D Modeling program by Elizabeth Kommit chao@CRL.COM TEXTS Essay on Synergetics (Gerald De Jong) http://www.xs4all.com/~gdj/synerget.html Comments About the Book 'Synergetics' http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- GLOSSARY Bucky Glossary http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC) Discussion of Fuller's Ideas (Sundays) /join #geodesic ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- LISTS, SUBSCRIPTION (l = lowercase "L", not 1) Geodesic (RBF's Works Discussion) listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Mission-Earth (Whole Earth Simulation) listserv@listserv.ncsu.edu Synergetics-l (Synergetics Discussion) majordomo@teleport.com Wholeinfo-l (Summary of Wholesys-l) listserv@netcom.com Wholesys-l (Abundance Economics ) listserv@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAGAZINES (PAPER AND ELECTRONIC) DOME magazine (Paper, Don. Hoflin, ed, Quarterly,CO) donh@hoflin.com Synergetica (Paper, Russell Chu, ed; Back Issues Only) bfi@aol.com Synergetics Journal (Paper, ? , ed, Santa Barbara) bfi@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAPS, GLOBES, ETC. *ARTICLES (PAPER) * A New World Map for a New World Order WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu *CARDS (PAPER) GREETING BFI (4" x 8") bfi@aol.com * POSTCARDS * SpaceShip Earth World Map (Color; 5.5" x 3.5") * BFI bfi@aol.com *CHARTS * Star http://galaxy.einet.net/mall/Jill-Swift/geodome.html *GLOBES * FOLD-UP (PAPERBOARD) * Dymaxion Sky-Ocean (5.5"diam; Color w/Population; S.S.Earth ed.) * BFI bfi@aol.com * Fuller Projection (5.5"diam; Color) * WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * Dymaxion Globe (6.0"diam; 4-Color) * GENI geni@cerf.net INFLATABLE * EarthBall (??" x ??"; Satellite Images; Eric J. Morris) * Spherical Visions eric@pacificrim.net * POP-UP (PAPERBOARD) * Earth from Space (5"diam; Color) * GeoSphere http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html *MAPS CLASSROOM (PAPER) (12' x 26' Vinyl) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * GYMNASIUM * OUTLINE (PAPER) ( 3' x 6' Laminate) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu PLAYGROUND (31' x 65' Stencil) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu WALL (PAPER) (34" x 22" Color Raleigh Edition) BFI bfi@aol.com (35" x 22" Grip-Kitrick) WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (38" x 23" Color Donnelley Edition) BFI bfi@aol.com *POSTERS (PAPER) * Dymaxion Map with Global Energy Grid (34" x 22"; 4-Color) * GENI geni@cerf.net * Geosphere (Six Global Views: 24" x 36") * GeoSphere Project http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geospher.html *PROJECTS * GeoSphere Project (Tom van Sant) * http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geospher.html *PUZZLES * Dymaxion World Map (Wood; Color; ??" x ??") * Pacific Puzzles bfi@aol.com *SOFTWARE MAPS Global Recall (Countries, World; MAC) WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * ANIMATIONS * Spherical Anims of Earth's Cloudforms (Pending; Eric J. Morris; PC?) * Spherical Visions eric@pacificrim.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MEDIA, MAGNETIC COMPACT DISKS (CD'S) * Introduction to Bucky Fuller (Pending) * Blaine D'Amico damico@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu * World Game (pending) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu DISKS FLOPPIES * Global Recall xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu Hard, Removable Cartriges TAPES AUDIOTAPES Around the Universe in 90 Minutes ( 1.5 hrs) bfi@aol.com Buckminster Fuller: The 50 Year Experiment ( 1.5 hrs) bfi@aol.com Everything I Know (40.0 hrs) bfi@aol.com COMPUTER VIDEOTAPES A Win-Win Solution (15 min) geni@cerf.net Dome-It-Yourself (45 min)kingdome@mmedia.is Dymaxion Lab:Experiment in Individual Initiative(?? min) bfi@aol.com Dymaxion Lab: What Individual Can Do (60 min) bfi@aol.com Ecological Design: Inventing the Future (?? min) bfi@aol.com Modeling the Universe (15 min) bfi@aol.com Selected Ideas of Buckminster Fuller (PD) (55 min) geni@cerf.net What If...A New Global Option (15 min) geni@cerf.net World of Buckminster Fuller (90 min) bfi@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MEDICAL *AIDS Aids (Icosa Virus Pics) http://www.bocklabs.wisc.edu/virusviz.html *HEALTH Health Care http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drhealth.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MUSIC * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEWSGROUPS *ENERGY Energy sci.energy Energy, Renewable alt.energy.renewable *FOOD * Agriculture sci.agriculture *GENERAL Fuller (Geodesic List Gateway) bit.listserv.geodesic *HOUSING Housing alt.architecture.alternative *POPULATION * *SYSTEMS * Global alt.earth.system.science *TRANSPORTATION * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEWSLETTERS Trimtab (BFI, Paper) bfi@aol.com GENI (GENI, Paper) geni@cerf.net Global Peace Gaming (GLOSAS, Electronic; back issues) GLOSAS@vm1.mcgill.ca World Game Report (WGI, Paper) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORGANIZATIONS Buckminster Fuller Institute (BFI) General bfi@aol.com Newsletter: Trimtab (Paper) bfi@aol.com WWW http:// Critical Path Project (FIX BBS) (CPP) General kiyoshi@critpath.org WWW http://www.critpath.org/ Global Energy Network International (GENI; Peter Meisen, Dir) * E-MAIL * Internet geni@cerf.net * AOL geniproj@aol.com * Compuserve 75543.520@compuserve.com * WWW Home Page http://www.geni.org/ * Newsletter: "GENI" (Paper) geni@cerf.net Bucky Centennial http://www.cerf.net/geni/Text/COVER.html Global Systems Analysis & Simulation Assn (GLOSAS) General GLOSAS@vmi.mcgill.ca WWW http:// Mission Earth (ME) * Gottfried Mayer-Kress gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu * Home Page (Santa Fe) http://www.santafe.edu/~gmk/MissionEarth/ UIUC http://www.ccsr.uiuc.edu/People/gmk/Projects/MissionEarth/ New Civilizaion Network (NCN) Steingrubner, Joachim jhs@newciv.org Bucky Stuff http://www.primenet.com/~jhs/geostuff.html Funch, Flemming Bucky Text http://www.protree.com/worldtrans/bucky.html Bucky Pics http://www.newciv.org/Bucky/BuckyPics.html Synergetic Geometry http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/ Synergetics Institute Araki, Yoshiaki http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/index.html About Fuller http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/fuller.html World Game Institute (WGI) Headquarters (Drexel Univ.) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu Chuck Dingee, West Coast of North America Representative http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/WGI.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PATENTS, SEARCHES *Internet Patent News Service * http://sunsite.unc.edu/patents/intropat.html *Town Hall * http://town.hall.org/cgi-bin/srch-patent ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PICTURES, COLLECTIONS, MISCELLANEOUS, ETC. *HOLOGRAMS 3-D World Wide Holograms (Mark Diamond) hologram@shadow.net *PUBLIC DOMAIN * MOORE, JOE 0.8meg ftp://switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/Buckypics.lha 2.0meg ftp://switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/joe.moore.buckypics.jpg.tgz 1.0meg ftp://ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/jmoore1.zip 1.0meg ftp://ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/jmoore2.zip 1.3meg ftp://ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/jmoore3.zip ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- POETRY * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- POPULATION, TRENDS, ETC. General http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drpop.html U.N. Population Div gopher://gopher.undp.org/11/ungophers/popin/wdtrends ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- QUOTES, BUCKY No More Second Hand God (Ch 3, pp 41-4) http://www.emf.net/~mal/grok.html Synergetics Synergetics II ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SEARCH ENGINES (KEYWORDS: "GEODESIC", "BUCKMINSTER", ETC) * Archie (FTP Archive File Name Searches) * (Telnet; Login: archie) archie.rutgers.edu Gopher Title Searches (Telnet Login: gopher) consultant.micro.umn.edu Web Crawler http://webcrawler.cs.washington.edu/WebCrawler/WebQuery.html Wide Area Info Service (WAIS) FullText (Telnet Login:wais) quake.think.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SIMULATIONS, GLOBAL *ARTICLES (PAPER) * Games-Interactive Learning Environments (author ?) * EMD org xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * Planning Diseases ( ? ) * Futurist mag xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * What Does Peace Mean? ( ? ) * WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * World Game at Twenty (author ?) * Futurist mag xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu *SOFTWARE * Geosphere Project (Tom van Sant) * http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html * Global Recall Solutions Lab (Floppies) * WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * Global Recall Solutions Lab (CD) (Pending) * WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu Mission Earth gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu Morris, Eric J. eric@pacificrim.net Multiple User Dimensions (MUDS) ? * World Game Network (pending) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- STATISTICS, GLOBAL United Nations http://www.undcp.or.at/unlinks.html CIA World Fact Book '94 http://www.ic.gov/94fact/fb94toc/fb94toc.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRANSPORTATION AIR AirCar Dymaxion Car (Chris Rywalt) http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/crywalt/Bucky_Pics/Bucky_pics.html Transports LAND Mass Transit SEA Submarines ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE SERVICES (AUTOMATED E-MAIL) BuckminsterFullerene Updates (Body: "help") bucky@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu NetNews Filtering Server (Body: "help") netnews@db.stanford.edu Fullerene News http://www.physik.uni-oldenburg.de/bucky/htmls/bucky.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WATER Acid Rain http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html#SUS4 Drinking http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drh20.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:25:31 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: GENI ARTICLE On July 29 I had intended to upload the following response to Ed Applewhite's e-mail: Dear ED, Due to technical problems I wasn't able to retrieve your e-mail of 7-14-95 until 7-26-95. On 7-28 I spent the whole afternoon attempting to secure a copy of the 7-8 NEW SCIENTIST article about the Global Energy Grid. Two local bookstores had either sold out that issue or sent the unsold copies back. Only the Santa Cruz city-county combined system Main branch carries that magazine but it is a gift and therefore always about a month behind. The University of California Santa Cruz Science library (not the Main!) carries it but since the current issues can not be checked out they are floating around somewhere in the public reading areas or are in the back waiting to be reshelved. Everywhere I turned I hit a brick wall! Very frustrating. I'll keep trying but it may take a while. Sincerely, Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:00:21 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY INDEX Every so often someone asks a question similar to the following: "I remember Bucky talking about ___________ (fill in blank). Where in his books does that subject appear?" Since most of his books do not have an index, it is very difficult to locate the appropriate passage, especially from memory. Would some of you out there be willing to build an index for each Bucky book that does not have one? Maybe you could divide the task among yourselves. As each index was completed, it could be posted to the geodesic list. Would someone be willing to post the indexes that already do exist? Would someone be willing to combine all the indexes into a Master Bucky Index? Would someone be willing to add the MASTER BUCKY INDEX to their web page? I can provide a list of Bucky books that do and don't have indexes. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:07:15 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: COPYRIGHTS Someone asked why I put the statement about the Public Domain in my sig file. It is my understanding that under the new copyright laws, all posts are automatically copyrighted even if the author doesn't put a notice. In order for something to be in the public domain the author has to explicitly state that a post is intended to be in the public domain. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:38:48 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Patrick Alessandra Jr." Subject: Re: BUCKY INDEX Yea indeed, The best way I've found (after much agony and suffering) to do indexes/compilations is to actually digitize/scan in the text of the books -- it takes about a minute per page on a PowerPC Mac system -- I'd be happy to cooperate -- add me to the list. Peace, Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 21:56:31 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bill Cmelak Organization: Omnifest Subject: Re: BFVI UPDATE Thank you very much for all of that Fuller information, Joe. I really appreciate it. I did not quote it due to its extensive length. Is that the official, or unofficial FAQ for this newsgroup? It should be! Bill ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:04:08 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jim Frye Subject: Re: M.Python In-Reply-To: > > What do you all think are the top 10 (to pick a number) > ideas, concepts, big ideas that my stu should focus on > and get from such an exposure ? > > thanks, > > Paul Kosuth > prkosuth@prairienet.org Paul, I'm no "Buckie-follower" by any means, just started following this conference some time back to pick up information on how to build a dome workshop/storage shed in my back yard. I've kept reading for some of the other ideas presented from time to time. And, there have been a *LOT* of 'em! I'd suggest you take the trouble to get some of the archives of this conference and just skim through for various interesting threads. This current spring/summer hasn't been quite the same (IMO, deterioriated) as it was when I first picked up the group. I guess Bucky is best known for his domes. Several people who were on here have built 'em and there were a lot of comments about their utility, construction, problems (mostly arising from *inappropriate* building techniques), and so on. There are many, many ways of doing the things---and they are quite practical. The Global energy net is another bang-up idea whose time appears to have come. Taken a lot more seriously in Europe than here, tieing the electrical grids of the world together could save untold billions in the more efficient utilization of generation capacity, etc. The tensegrity-truss was for a long time---and as far as I know still is---the *only* NASA approved type of structure for space-construction projects. Don't forget the various "Dymaxion" things: like the car and the bath. Still some pretty good stuff there---especially for third-world use. The above come under the heading of practical "things" of course. I suppose the best, and the hardest to grasp, of Bucky though is his concepts of new ways of thinking---in math, synergetics, etc. I personally haven't taken the time to go into 'em (and am thus probably missing the "Best of Bucky") but as far as I can tell the *purpose* of all that stuff might be 'reduced' to a greater striving for efficiency. Some of the latest ideas in business and management ("better, faster, cheaper") have a curiously Bucky-like "flavor" to 'em. Hope that helps 'ya some & good luck with the class! Jim Frye jimfrye@wsp1.wspice.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:49:23 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: KAJIKAWA INFO As of 3-8-95 Yasushi Kajikawa's new phone numbers were: T +81-465-43-3454 F +81-465-43-3103 This info came from Andreas Schneider as@twics.com (6-17-95). PS: Which models in Quimby's catalog did Yasushi design? Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:58:23 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BASIC BUCKY TOC BASIC BUCKY TABLE OF CONTENTS Available at: http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html C H A P T E R T I T L E PAGE 1 INTRODUCTION NATURE'S GEOMETRY___________1.1 60 DEGREE SYSTEM____________1.2 UNIFIED FIELD_______________1.3 3-WAY WEAVING_______________1.4 LOW ERROR MAPPING___________1.5 CONSTANT ZENITH CAD_________1.6 2 TETRAHEDRA QUARK MODEL_________________2.1 TET ANCHORS_________________2.2 DNA MODEL___________________2.3 BREAKWATER-GENERATOR________2.4 TETRA TRUSSES_______________2.5 OCEAN CITIES________________2.6 3 OCTAHEDRA OCTAHEDRA TRUSSES___________3.1 POLARIZED OCTAS_____________3.2 4 OC-TETS OC-TET TRUSSES______________4.1 LINEAR BUILDINGS____________4.2 OCTET HULLS_________________4.3 ELECTRON SHELLS_____________4.4 ULTRA-MICRO COMPUTER________4.5 OCTET SPACE STATION_________4.6 5 ICOSAHEDRA-A VIRUS ICOSAS________________5.1 ICOSA TRUSSES_______________5.2 PARACHUTE DOMES_____________5.3 PAPERBOARD DOMES____________5.4 WINDMILL DOMES______________5.5 SCIENTIFIC HOUSES___________5.6 DRY TOILET__________________5.7 HIGH PSI CLEANING___________5.8 VTOL CAR____________________5.9 6 ICOSAHEDRA-B GEODESIC TENTS______________6.1 TENSEGRITY DOMES____________6.2 FREE AIR COOLING____________6.3 AUTOMATED FOOD FACTORY______6.4 EXPANDABLE DOMES____________6.5 ENCLOSED CITIES_____________6.6 MILE-WIDE CRATER CITY_______6.7 CLOUD CITY__________________6.8 GEODESIC SPACE BASE_________6.9 7 SUS-ASPENSION GENERIC SUSPENSION__________7.1 SUSPENSION BUILDINGS________7.2 ASPENSION BUILDINGS_________7.3 8 CONCLUSION ENERGY FOR ALL______________8.1 WORLD ENERGY DISTRIBUTION___8.2 POPULATION VS ENERGY________8.3 HAVES VS HAVE-NOTS__________8.4 GLOBAL SIMULATION___________8.5 9 APPENDIX STRESS CALCULATIONS_________9.1 CHORD FACTORS_______________9.2 TET AS UNITY________________9.3 ORGANIZATIONS_______________9.4 -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:43:59 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lloyd Turner Organization: The SenseMedia Network News - http://sensemedia.net/news - info@sensemedia.net - smn Subject: Re: Bucky's Patent Fixation? > The earth is populated by Scientists, who practice the art > of infallibility, and Non-Scientists, who are taken in by it. James, That's a good quote. I think I'll steal it. I'm impressed by the validity of almost everything you said in your post. Looks like you've had some hands-on experience. But what do you do if you've just invented something you know is valuable? You have to patent it in spite of the shortcomings of the system, right? I've found the best thing to do with a new patent is to run, not walk, to the largest manufacturer that you can trust (they exist) who handles the same kind of product. Give them good license terms and hope for the best. They promote it. They police and defend the patent. They manufacture it and sell it. Meanwhile you can start thinking up an improvement to offer them under better terms. Generally I don't think inventors make good businessmen. Each uses a different side of the brain. I say. . do your inventing because its fun and let the businessman do his thing because he is ruthless and greedy. Something for everybody. Right, James? BTW, what have you invented that I might be familiar with? -- Cheers, Lloyd ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 13:20:51 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: jfischer Subject: Re: Bucky's Patent Fixation? >James, >That's a good quote. I think I'll steal it. I will alert my attorneys at once. :) >Looks like you've had some hands-on experience. Just a bit... it puts food on the table, and I like to eat. >But what do you do if you've just invented something you know is >valuable? You have to patent it in spite of the shortcomings of the >system, right? Nope, "trade secret" and good licensing terms are all you need. Copyright is nice for software, but the "unpublished copyright" method is best. If the licensee wants to go get a patent, that's up to them, and I help them where I can. There is no problem that cannot be resolved with a smile and a semi-automatic weapon james fischer jfischer@inmind.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 10:45:32 -0400 Reply-To: AMKALENAK Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AMKALENAK Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: BASIC BUCKY TOC Is this a web page ? Is there some way to access it with basic net resouces ? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 10:56:34 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ASCII ART Found some neat soccer balls (domes) while surfing the web. QUOTE: >From the ASCII Art USENET News Group Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art From: axm8676@cs.rit.edu (Ashesh X Majumdar) Subject: Soccer Ball Message-ID: <1994May3.082420.11180@cs.rit.edu> Sender: news@cs.rit.edu (USENET News Admin) Nntp-Posting-Host: tin Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 08:24:20 GMT Lines: 62 Status: RO ### ########### ############# ###### ############## ######### ############# ########## ############## ######## #### ############### ### ### ################# ### ### ##### ############ ### ### #### #### ### #### ################## #### ## ## #### ###################### #### ### #### ####################### ### ### ##### ######################### ### ### ##### ########################## ### ## ####### ########################### ### ## ######## ############################ #### ## ######### ################################ ##### ## ########## ######## ######################## ##### ######### ## ############### ################# ###### ############ ##### ########### ########## ################## ## ########### #### ################ ## ########## ### ################ ## ######### ### ################ ## ######### #### ############### ## ########## ### ############## ### ### ###### ### ################# ## ### ###### ######### ##### #### ## ## ################################### ### ### ### ########################## ###### ### ###################### #### #### ################### #### ###### ################ #### ############### ############## #### ###### ############# ########## ######### ### ball.gif ############################# ############################## ################### ######### ################# ############### ################# ############ ########### ##################### ######### ######## ######## #################### ###### ###### ############ ################ ###### #### ##### ############# ############# ## ### ### ############# ############## ### ## ## ############ ############## #### # # ########### ############## #### # ######### ############## ##### # #### ####### #### # ########## ######### # ############### ################# ## # ############### ################## ## # ## ################# ################# ## # ### ############### ################ ## ## #### #### ########## ######### ####### ## ### ###### ###### ############ ##### ######## ######## ############## ####### ########## ######## ############## ########## ############# ####### ############# ################## ############## ################## - Ash -- >From the ASCII Art USENET News Group Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art From: Nveilleu@emr1.emr.ca (Normand Veilleux) Subject: BIG: Soccer Message-ID: Lines: 72 Sender: news@emr1.emr.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: nveilleu.cpcs.emr.ca Organization: CPCS, Energy Mines & Resources, Canada Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 20:28:02 GMT Status: RO Content-Length: 3550 Even if you're not a soccer fan you'll probably get a kick out of this one. _,aaadP""""""Ybaaaa,,_ ,adP,__,,,aaaadP"""""Y888888a,_ ,a8888888P"'' "Y8888888b, _a888888888" `Y88888888b, ,d888888888P' "888888888b, ,88888888P"Y8, ,P' `""Y888b, ,d8888P"' "Ya, ,P' `Ya`b, ,P88"' `Ya, ,P' `b`Yi d",P `"Y, ,P' `Y "i ,P' P' "888888888888888b `b "i ,P' d' d8888888888888888b `b `b d' d' ,888888888888888888b I, Y, ,f ,f ,88888888888888888888b `b, b d' d' d888888888888888888888b ,88,I ,P 8 ,88888888888888888888888b,_ ,d8888 d' 8, d8888888888888888888888P'`"Ya,_ ,d88888 8 d88b, ,adP""Y888888888888888888P' `""Ya, d88888P 8 ,88888b, ,adP"' `"Y8888888888888"' `"888888I Y,88888888b, ,adP"' ""Y888888P" 888888' `888888888888P' ""YP" 888888 I88888888888 8 88888I `Y8888888888 8 88888' `Y888888888 Normand 8 8888I `Y88888888 Veilleux 8 8P"8' `Y8888888, 8 ,d',d' `b""""Y8b 8 ,d" ,d' "b, "Y, 8 ,P" ,d" "b, "Ya,_ ,d88ba,,___ _,aP" ,P" "Ya_ ""Ya,_ _,,ad88888888888888P"' _,d" `"Ya_ ""Yaaad88888888888888888888P _,d"' `"Ya,_ "Y888888888888888888P",d"' `""Ya,__`Y888888888888888P""" ``"""""""""""""'' I know someone posted a soccer ball last week, but I had been saving this one for three weeks now specifically for the kick-off of rec.arts.ascii's Call For Votes. To help rec.arts.ascii start on the right foot, I am preparing a "HOW TO..." post that will guide you through the creation of one particular drawing using my grid technique. Hope to see you there... The pictures I post are at their best when printed with a 'Line Printer 16.67 cpi' font or equivalent. ,aF ,a88" ,a888" ___ ______ ad88P" ,88888, ,d8888888a ,888"' ,88" `Y8, ,88" "Y8) a88" Quality is I8b, `8b ,88' d8) d88' never an accident. `Y8P 88.88' ,88' d88' It is always the (8V8' d8P d88' result of high (88P (8P d88' intentions, sincere d88 88' d88' effort, intelligent ,88' ,88 d88' direction and skillful d8P ]8[ d88' execution. It repres- ,88 ]8b d88' ents the wise choice 88' `Y8b ,ad8" of many alternatives. d8P `Y8888Y" -- Normand Veilleux nveilleu@emr1.emr.ca ---------------------------- . END QUOTE. -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:20:10 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: BASIC BUCKY TOC Comments: To: amkalenak@aol.com In-Reply-To: <40006c$jhp@newsbf02.news.aol.com>; from "AMKALENAK" at Aug 5, 95 10:45 am AMKALENAK writes: > > Is this a web page ? > Is there some way to access it with basic net resouces ? > .- > Yes. There is a whole bunch of Bucky stuff at this web site run by Richard ("GoatBoy") Henderson. It is located in Edinburgh, Scotland, and should be accessable by any software that can surf (cruise?) the World Wide Web (WWW). If you can type in an address (URL) starting with http:// , you're in business. There's all kinds of Bucky info there: 50 poopsheets with references (Basic Bucky) a Glossary 50 or so Table of Contents (TOCs) of books by or about Fuller the current version of the Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute (BFVI) at least 9 links to other relevant Bucky resources on the net + whatever Rich has added since I last checked Everyone should definitely check it out. It's a good place to start exploring Bucky in general with links to more specific aspects of his work. Joe http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:39:13 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DUPLICATE POSTS Someone was wondering why they were getting duplicate posts from me. Quite often people who are not subscribers to the Geodesic list send me e-mail regarding something they read on the gatewayed newsgroup (bit.listserv.geodesic) or saw one of my posts through some other means (web searches, etc.). When I respond I generally send my posts to the geodesic list with a copy to the person's e-mail address in case they are not monitoring the newsgroup. Joe -- JOE S MOORE joemoore@cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:00:14 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: PAPER DOMES Low-Cost Housing