From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 12 18:50:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from acsu.buffalo.edu (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.57]) by linux00.LinuxForce.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with SMTP id g8CMo3L2011098 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:50:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200209122250.g8CMo3L2011098@linux00.LinuxForce.net> Received: (qmail 9904 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 22:25:48 -0000 Received: from listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 22:25:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:25:48 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Buffalo (1.8d)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9604" To: Chris Fearnley Status: RO Content-Length: 1004970 Lines: 21904 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:06:43 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FWD>NASA Airborne Sensor Ai (fwd) Bruce Fairchild writes: > From gw.numenet.com!numenet.com!owner-mission-earth Mon Apr 1 08:50:40 1996 > Message-Id: > Date: 1 Apr 1996 10:28:08 -0600 > From: Bruce Fairchild > Subject: FWD>NASA Airborne Sensor Ai > To: "press-release-com@mercury.hq.na" > X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 > Sender: owner-mission-earth@scs.org > Precedence: bulk > X-Comment: Discussion forum on simulation to aid in world planning and survival > Subject: FWD>NASA Airborne Sensor Aids Superfund Site > > Cleanup > > Douglas Isbell > Headquarters, Washington, DC March 13, 1996 > (Phone: 202/358-1547) > > Mary Hardin > Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA > (Phone: 818/354-5011) > > RELEASE: 96-48 > > NASA AIRBORNE SENSOR AIDS SUPERFUND SITE CLEAN-UP > > Maps produced from a NASA airborne sensor are cutting costs > and helping to speed the clean-up of hazardous waste at a > Superfund site in Leadville, CO. > > Several federal agencies, including the Bureau of > Reclamation, the Environmental Protection Agency and the > U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), are using the maps to find > sources of acid mine drainage and heavy-metal contamination > at the California Gulch Superfund Site. The contamination > is the result of more than 130 years of mining activities > associated with the Leadville Mining District, according to > Felix W. Cook, Sr., director of the Technical Service Center > at the Bureau of Reclamation, Denver, CO. > > The maps were produced by the USGS using data from > NASA's Airborne Visible and Infra-Red Imaging Spectrometer (AVIRIS) > which was developed and is managed by the Jet Propulsion > Laboratory, (JPL), Pasadena, CA. The AVIRIS instrument > flies aboard a NASA ER-2 high-altitude research aircraft. > > While being carried 12 miles above sea level at a speed > of 450 miles per hour, the instrument can take approximately > 7,000 measurements per second. Earth scientists use AVIRIS > to make measurements related to global climate and > environmental change research in ecology, geology, > oceanography, snow hydrology and cloud and atmospheric studies. > > "This technique of imaging spectroscopy represents a > fundamental new way of doing remote-sensing. We are > measuring in detail how light is absorbed or reflected by > various materials on the Earth's surface and that gives us > an accurate picture of what those materials on the ground > are made of. Once we know where the materials are, we can > begin to make decisions based on those maps," said Robert > Green, the AVIRIS experiment scientist at JPL. > > "The imaging spectroscopy mineral mapping has allowed > us to identify potential contaminating sources as small as > individual mine dumps for evaluation," Cook said. "Based on > our recent experience, the Bureau of Reclamation anticipates > that many future hazardous clean-up efforts throughout the > United States, especially at large sites, should use AVIRIS > to produce relatively inexpensive thematic site maps to aid in > remediation." > > An analysis program that recognizes the spectral > signature of the contaminants on the ground has been > developed by the USGS to construct mineral maps from the > AVIRIS data. "AVIRIS data are like a treasure chest of > scripts in an unknown language -- totally unreadable to the > untrained observer," said Gregg Swayze, a geophysicist at > the USGS. "The imaging analysis program is like a Rosetta > stone, a key to that language by which the AVIRIS data can > be interpreted and profited from." > > The mineral maps have helped officials save roughly > $500,000 and about a year's time in identifying the areas in > need of attention. > > "NASA's AVIRIS program has enabled more money to be > used for actually cleaning up the hazardous mine waste > materials currently contaminating this site," Cook said. > "In addition, the speed with which the AVIRIS data can be > processed, mapped, and integrated into our system has > enabled us to complete the site data development and > analysis process about a year ahead of schedule, saving > additional money and time." > > Reclamation officials believe the AVIRIS data mineral > mapping could be used for site investigations on many of the > hazardous waste sites now included on the Environmental > Protection Agency's National Priorities List. > > The AVIRIS instrument is managed by JPL for NASA's > Office of Mission to Planet Earth, Washington, DC. The Mission to > Planet Earth is a long-term, coordinated program to study > the Earth's air, water, land and life as a global > environmental system. > > -end- > > NASA press releases and other information are available > automatically by sending an Internet electronic mail > message to domo@hq.nasa.gov. In the body of the message > (not the subject line) users should type the words > "subscribe press-release" (no quotes). The system will > reply with a confirmation via E-mail of each subscription. > A second automatic message will include additional information > on the service. NASA releases also are available via CompuServe > using the command GO NASA. > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:31:43 -0500 Reply-To: OREGDOME Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: OREGDOME Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Oregon Dome Homepage Oh yeah, I suppose having the URL would help. http://www.domes.com Sorry about leaving it out the first time, the bandwidth between the brain and hands is getting a bit tight. Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:14:11 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: ARTICLES RE RBF 1995 Joe Moore wrote: > ARTICLES RELEVANT TO FULLER'S WORK: 1995 (REVISED) > >1995 Very useful listing Joe. May I suggest the addition of a '*' or some other symbol to indicate which articles actually mention RBF? "Relevance" is somewhat personal, not that I have any quarrel whatsoever with your sense of it -- just that I might see articles on psychoanalysis linking to Jungian undercurrents in Synergetics that are 'relevant' -- whereas 'actually mentions' is an objective hyperlink. Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:07:23 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Tracking houses [Updated 4/1/96] A PV friend says: >I've been dreaming of suspending an array in between two trees >at about the 90' level... With ropes going east and west? That seems interesting, 3/4 up those tall trees 300' to the south of your house, with some nylon ropes running north and south to the ground from the bottom? Seems like this would usually lead to shading by other trees, if not falling branches, etc. I would like to build a treehouse, a large one for living in, even. I traded some letters with serious treehouse people years ago, one a prof in North Carolina. Suppose the PV structure had some internal volume and a floor, with a rope ladder for courageous children attached to safety ropes. We might insulate that volume and put some thermal mass inside, eg a few batteries surrounded by an air gap and insulation, to capture some of the other 90% of the sun's heat... For 2-axis tracking, suppose it were supported from above at three points, with a fixed rope at the top on the north side going up and north to a tree, another at the north bottom center going to the ground, and two more going up SE and SW from the EW upper south corners, said ropes being attached to two small DC reversible winches or garage door openers inside the treehouse. A rope ladder hanging from the south side deck would make this more stable. To point east, crank in the west rope and let out the east rope, and vice versa to point west. To tilt the array upwards, crank in both ropes. To tilt it down towards the south horizon, let out both ropes. Picture a 4' x 4' x 8' shed, with a reflective front porch and a 1:2 roof sloping up to the south and a reflective overhang. It might look like this: from the east from the south front \ 8' \ 12' / . ......................... . . ^ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4' . . 6' . . . . .......... . . . PV. 2' . . P V . . ................. ......................... 4' 4' \ l l 4' ......... l . PV . . . l . . . . . 8' l . . . . l . . ......................... l / \ from the top This would have a PV area of 8 ft^2 and a frontal area of 72 ft^2 with a concentration ratio of 9, so the peak sun power would be 6.5 kW. How would we cool it? Perhaps make the PVs the back of an thin aquarium tank, with the sun shining through a little water, and a radiator above. How big a radiator? Say the PVs collect 650 watts peak, with a solar energy input of 5.5 kWh/m^2/day in July in Seattle, ie 36.8 kWh of solar energy in, and 3.68 kWh/day of electrical energy out. The difference is 33.1 kWh/day. That is the heat we need to deliberately waste. The average temperature in Seattle in July is 18.4 C. Suppose we want to keep the average PV temp at 28.4 C. The average windspeed is 3.5 m/s, or 7.8 mph. So assuming we have enough water to store the heat for 24 hours, we have to waste 33.1 kWh of heat, about the same as the heat in a gallon of oil, in 24 hours, with a 10 C temperature rise, or 138 watts/degree C, or 261 Btu/hr/degree F. A smooth 174 ft^2 surface or a rough 130 ft^2 would do that with no wind, as would 44 ft^2 of rough surface exposed to the wind, or the wind from an exhaust fan to the north on a calm day. Or we might let some rainwater flow through the tank, or try to evaporate 0.005 gallons (0.7 oz.) per minute of water by slowly pumping it up to the ridge peak and letting it trickle back down into the tank, over the 64+ ft^2 roof surface. The partial pressure of water in air at 18 C is 15.3 mmHg, which becomes 10.1 mmHg in Seattle's 66% average July humidity, I guess, and at 28 C, the partial pressure of water in air is 28 mmHg. Duffie and Beckman's _Solar Engineering of Thermal Processes_, 2nd edition, has this formula 18.5.2 on page 664: Qc/Qe = 0.46(Tp-Ta)/(Pwp-Pa), where Qc is the heat loss by convection from a surface in W/m^2-C and Qe is the heat loss by evaporation, and Tp and Ta are in deg C, and Pwp and Pa are the partial pressures of warm pond water and cooler water vapor in ambient air. This hardly changes with wind speed. Cranking through all this, I found that we might waste all this heat by evaporating a little PV cooling water at just under 20 C, not 28 C. At 28 C, about 4 times more heat is lost by water evaporation than by convection. How much water would we need to store that heat? 33.1 kWh will heat 6720 pounds of water 10 degrees C. Perhaps we should try to get rid of most of the heat in real time, and cover the backs of the PVs with fins and such. It would be interesting if we could turn this structure around to the north, swing the PVs out of the way with a linear actuator, say, and scoop up some wind to flow through the exhaust fan at night, or on a cloudy day, to make more electrical power. With a couple of batteries inside and an inverter, we could run 110 or 240VAC wires up the north rope and back to the house. The rope ladder might not touch the ground. It might just end in a large weight, say 3' above the ground, to make a large and interesting pendulum with a period of about 5 seconds. If the rope ladder slanted up to the treehouse from the south, we might add two more ropes to the ground to the NW and NE and enclose the EW sides of the tetrahedron between the treehouse and the ground, eg with dacron sailcloth, or burlap/cement, and put a wind turbine on the ground at the south lee corner, just north of the base of the rope ladder, to make a big north-facing windscoop (and snowscoop--we might make the EW sides transparent, or enclose the north side too, and make another house, barn, or solar closet and sunspace underneath, parking a car or a tractor under the PV shed, or storing some hay or animals... A PV shed on top of a flat roof in a city might be suspended from the point of a tetrahedral frame made with 6 poles, with some sandbags at the corners. Suspending a real solar house from a 3-cornered manmade arch this way would be interesting. It wouldn't have to be very high off the ground to let the house track the sun, altho a 3-cornered St Louis-type arch would be nice :-), and that might also serve as the house foundation, and deter termites and mice... Electric and water might enter the house with flexible lines from the top, with the house rotating no more than 360 degrees, perhaps facing north on summer days. It might be less expensive to suspend the house from 3 telephone poles, like this, seen from the top: s . . . p . . . H . . . . . . p p . . . . s s and like this from the side: p p p . p . p . p . . p H p . .........s.....p.......p.......p.....s............ s s The poles might each hold up about 30K lbs from the weight of the house and another 30K pounds or so from the guy wires, so each pole would need a 30 ft^2 footing, perhaps, and at 50 K psi, the steel cables would need to be about 1" diameter. Big nylon or dacron ropes might work instead of the steel cables. The wood of the poles would probably hold the weight in compression parallel to the grain, but the poles should probably be cemented on the outside, over wire reinforcement, to make them more durable and increase their polar moment of inertia, so they aren't so inclined to buckle. Tilting the poles out a bit would make the guy wires smaller. Tilting them in so they touch would help too, but that doesn't leave much room for the house. Althernatively, the house might be held up by a geodesic telephone pole structure, 20 poles, each 30' long (connected by what, ropes thru holes in the poles? Bolts, and steel plates. Lots of chicken wire and cement?) This would be about 150' in circumference, about 50' in diameter (if the poles poles were curved and pi were 3) and about 40' tall at the central point. Adding 5 more poles on the ground would solve the footing problem, and make a nice berm for the EPDM rubber reflecting pond and wastewater treatment facultative lagoon, with a small fountain. Enclosing the whole thing in polyethylene film might be nice. Un gout special. What would the building inspector say? Perhaps not much about safety, if the house were only 6" above the ground. What would the architect say ("THAT doesn't look like a house!" :-) What would the health department say? What would the neighbors say? What would the bank say? Or... the house could be floated on a shallow pool. A 30 x 30' two story house might weigh 100 psf, requiring a 2' deep pool, taking some or all of the load off the telephone poles. We could try this out with a prefab 8 x 12' shed, with PVs mounted on the south wall, a reflective hinged floating south dock and an overhang, and reflective wings, sitting in a pool made with a 20' x 20' piece of EPDM rubber over a 2' tall perimeter earth berm. The pond corners might point to compass directions, and the shed might have an 10' rope or conduit from the center of the south wall to the south pond corner. We might mount 2 winches at the EW corners of the north wall of the shed, high up, connected by ropes to stakes in the ground 12' NE of the NE pond edge and 12' SE of the SE pond edge, for treehouse-type 2-axis tracking, tilting the shed back to the north to point it up into the sky. The shed might have a waterproof skirt coming 2' up the walls on the outside, made from a single piece of EPDM rubber. So might a modular home... Only one winch, eg with a continuous rope wrapped round the drum would be needed for adjustable tilt, 1-axis tracking. With all that water, PV cooling should be easy. We might even heat the house with the sun. >The sun hits the tops of the trees at 6 am or so, and doesn't hit the PVs >I have now for several hours after that. It just becomes a question of how >much it costs in money and aesthetics to put them up there, and how much >more vulnerable they become. A small PV tracking treehouse, 90' up, could be delightful. It might have a few mirrors or some of stained glass glinting onto your house, 300' to the north. Some wind chimes, perhaps, or some propellors and generators on the guy wires. With the right combination of strong and elastic ropes and mass and damping, vulnerability should not be a problem. It wouldn't be very expensive either. Small DC winches cost less than $200. Some people use $150 Sears radio-controlled garage door openers to haul boats out of the water. Nick A word from Lewis Carroll, on this fine day of fools: (1) Every idea of mine, that cannot be expressed as a syllogism, is really ridiculous. (2) None of my ideas about bath-buns are worth writing down. (3) No idea of mine, that fails to come true, can be expressed as a syllogism. (4) I never have any really ridiculous idea, that I do not at once refer to my solicitor. (5) My dreams are all about bath-buns. (6) I never refer any idea of mine to my solicitor, unless it is worth writing down. There is a simple conclusion to be derived from these statements... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:58:38 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: List of First 102 Versatile Numbers THE LARGEST VERSATILE NUMBER PROJECT File 3: LIST OF 102 KNOWN VERSATILE NUMBERS (as of 4-1-96) VERSATILE NUMBER: A number that has more factors than any smaller number. Also known as "highly composite" (Ramanujan). Called "as unlike a prime as a number can be" (Hardy). The Largest Versatile Number has 13 digits. The Largest Prime has 258,716 digits. This project is an attempt to reduce the great disparity in size between the largest prime and the largest versatile, and to possibly go beyond ... Versatile # # of Factors 2 2 4 3 6 4 12 6 24 8 36 9 48 10 60 12 120 16 180 18 240 20 360 24 720 30 840 32 1260 36 1680 40 2520 48 5040 60 7560 64 10080 72 15120 80 20160 84 25200 90 27720 96 45360 100 50400 108 55440 120 83160 128 110880 144* 116320 160 221760 168 277200 180** 332640 192 498960 200 554400 216 665280 224 720720 240 1081080 256 1441440 288 2162160 320 2882880 336 3603600 360 4324320 384 6486480 400 7207200 432 8648640 448 10810800 480 14414400 504 17297280 512 21621600 576 32432400 600 36756720 640 43243200 672 61261200 720 73513440 768 110270160 800 122522400 864 147026880 896 183783600 960 245044800 1008 294053760 1024 367567200 1152 551350800 1200 698377680 1280 735134400 1344 1102701600 1440 1396755360 1536 2095133040 1600 2205403200 1680 2327925600 1728 2793510720 1792 3491888400 1920 4655851200 2016 5587021440 2048 6983776800 2304 10475665200 2400 13967553600 2688 20951330400 2880 27935107200 3072 41902660800 3360 48886437600 3456 64250746560 3584 73329656400 3600 80313433200 3840 97772875200 4032 128501493120 4096 146659312800 4320 160626866400 4608 240940299600 4800 321253732800 5376 481880599200 5760 642507465600 6144 963761198400 6720 1124388064800 6912 1606268664000 7168 1686582097200 7200 1927522396800 7680 2248776129600 8064 3212537328000 8192 3373164194400 8640 4497552259200 9216 6746328388800 10080 This project is still in it's infancy. So far we have not even matched these numbers, which were found by Ramanujan in 1915. * verified by on my pc up to here. ** verified by J. Barbour up to here. Project Coordinator: William Lauritzen Contributors (in alphabetical order): Jim Barbour Mike Easterbrook Michael Kenniston William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 02:36:22 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: Oregon Dome Homepage In article <4ji2gc$hkp@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, oregdome@aol.com (OREGDOME) wrote: > Oregon Dome's home page is up and running (sort of). It's pretty > primative and the text is terrible, but give us a few weeks and it should > be nice. > > > Two more titles are still being written and will be posted shortly. > > Feel free to check it out and give us a review (although I'll ignore those > of you who get brutal, as it is still in its first draft). > Why not post the address ? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:37:40 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Two views on sunspace design It is hard to think of any other system that supplies so much heat (to an existing house) at such low cost... One could shorten the warm-up time of the enclosure and increase the amount of heat delivered to the rooms by making the enclosure virtually massless--by greatly reducing its dynamic thermal capacity. This can be done by spreading a 2-inch-thick layer of lightweight insulation on the floor and north wall of the enclosure and then installing a thin black sheet over the insulation. Then, practically no heat is delivered to the massive components of floor or wall; practically all of the heat is promptly transferred to the air. And since the thermal capacity of the 100 or 200 lb. of air in the room is equal to that of one fourth as great a mass of water (about 25 to 50 lb. of water), the air will heat up very rapidly. I estimate that its temperature will rise about 40 F. degrees in about two minutes, after the sun comes out from behind a heavy cloud cover. At the end of the day, little heat will be "left on base" in the collector floor or north wall and, accordingly, the enclosure will cool off very rapidly. New Inventions in Low Cost Solar Heating-- 100 Daring Schemes Tried and Untried by William A. Shurcliff, PhD Brick House Publishing, 1979, 293 pages, $12 A sunspace has extensive south-facing glass, so sufficient thermal mass is important. Without it, the sunspace is liable to be uncomfortably hot during the day, and too cold for plants or people at night. However, the temperature in the sunspace can vary more than in the house itself, so about three square feet of four inch thick thermal mass for each square foot of sunspace glazing should be adequate... The sunspace floor is a good location for thermal mass. The mass floors should be dark in color. No more than 15-25% of the floor slab should be covered with rugs or plants... Another good location for thermal mass is the common wall (the wall separating the sunspace from the rest of the house)... Water in various types of containers is another form of energy storage often used in sunspaces. Passive Solar Design Guidelines-- Guidelines for Homebuilders for Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Passive Solar Industries Council National Renewable Energy Laboratory Charles Eley Associates Current edition, 88 pages, $50 So, which is the most energy-efficient sunspace in a partly cloudy climate like Philadelphia? Shurcliff's plastic film sunspace, wearing the green uniform in this contest, might cost about $2/ft^2 and begin an average December day at 36 F, and like the PSIC sunspace, it would receive about 1000 Btu/ft^2/day over the average day. Let's assume that both sunspaces have a perfectly insulated wall between them and the house, to avoid the thermal disaster of a poorly insulated Trombe wall in a partly cloudy climate. (Trombe walls can't even get to the starting line in this race.) And that there is no air infiltration from the outside in either case. Shurcliff's sunspace air would be circulated through the house with some dampers or fans, keeping the sunspace at 80 F, say, while the house remains at 70 F. With single glazing, about 900 Btu/ft^2 of sun might enter the sunspace during the day, and the amount of heat lost through a square foot of Shurcliff's sunspace over a typical 6 hour December day would be about 6 hr (80-36)/R1 = 264 Btu/ft^2/day, for a net gain of 636 Btu/ft^2, ie his $2/ft^2 sunspace would be about 64% efficient, as a solar collector. As an auxiliary living space, it could be heated up instantly on some starry night for a party, by moving some warm air from the house into the sunspace. A PSIC sunspace, wearing the brown uniform, would perform better with double glazing. He might cost $10/ft^2. Say his thermal mass is poured concrete, 4" thick, with an official PSIC heat capacity of 8.8 Btu/ft^2, and say it absorbs 100% of the sun that falls on it, vs the official PSIC solar absorptance of bare concrete of 0.65 (table K, page 57.) Then about 800 Btu/ft^2/day of sun will enter the double glazing and be absorbed by the concrete, and the concrete surface will warm up the sunspace air, and that warm air can be used to heat the house when the sunspace temperature is more than 80 F. Suppose the concrete loses no heat at all to the soil below (I'm giving quite a few handicaps to the PSIC sunspace in this efficiency race.) Suppose the PSIC sunspace starts out the day at temperature T, and the concrete charges up in the sun to a maximum temperature of T + dT, and returns to temperature T at dawn, on an average day in December. How can we calculate T and dT? We have an equivalent electrical circuit that looks something like this: Ts sunspace temperature | R2 | S 36 F ---------wwww-----------------|-------------------- 70 F outdoors glazing | open switch to heat house | w w R0.5 concrete - sunspace air resistance 800 Btu/ft^2 w per day | | --- | | | ----|-->|------|--Tc concrete temperature | --- | sun current w source w R0.4 concrete bulk thermal resistance w | ------- 8.8 Btu/F thermal mass of concrete ------- | | --- - Let's simplify this, by assuming the thermal mass of the concrete is infinite, vs 8.8 Btu/ft^2/F. Lots of concrete, or a water wall, or something that has so much thermal mass that the temperature inside the sunspace never changes at all from day to night or day to day over a long string of average December days, with some sun. This is an optimal sunspace with more than "adequate" or "sufficient" thermal mass by official PSIC standard guidelines. Let's also assume that the two small resistors have a value of zero, ie let's assume the the R0.4 bulk thermal resistance of the concrete, that makes the surface heat up more than the inside, while the sun is warming it up, and makes it harder to get heat out of the inside of the concrete and into the sunspace air, and the R0.5 concrete-sunspace air resistance, are both R0 conductors. What will Tc be in that simplified case? The sun shines into the sunspace during the day and adds 800 Btu to our concrete capacitor, and over 24 hours, 24(Tc-36)1ft^2/R2 = 12 Tc - 432 Btu flow out of the capacitor. If Ein = Eout (providing no heat for the attached house), then Tc = (800+432)/12 = 103 F. Pretty nice, but this sunspace is not providing any heat for the house, just keeping itself warm on an average day, and losing lots of heat on a cloudy day. Suppose we allow some heat to flow from the sunspace into the house, ie close the switch, ie turn on the fan or open the damper between the sunspace and the house often enough to limit the maximum sunspace temp to 80 F instead of 103 F. Then the heat loss to the outside world over the course of a day is 24(80-36)1 ft^2/R2 = 528 Btu, and the rest of the heat that enters the double glazing, ie 800 - 528 = 272 Btu/ft^2/day goes into heating the house, so the solar collection efficiency of this $10/ft^2 sunspace in terms of useful heat provided for the attached house is 27%. As an auxiliary living space, the temperature of this sunspace is largely out of our control. It takes a long time and a lot of house heat to warm it up on an evening or cloudy day, and after we leave the space, it stays warm for a long time, giving up precious house heat to the outside world. How curious that by carefully following the current official guidelines of the Passive Solar Industries Council, we can reduce the performance of Shurcliff's low-thermal-mass sunspace from 64% to 27%, while increasing the price from $2/ft^2 to $10/ft^2, unimproving the cost-effectiveness of the sunspace by a factor of 12, even with all these PSIC-slanted assumptions... Here's a quote from the Acknowlegements section of the PSIC guidelines: _Passive Solar Design Strategies: Guidelines for Home Builders_ represents over three years of effort by a unique group of organizations and individuals. The challenge of creating an effective design tool that could be customized for the specific needs of builders in cities and towns all over the U. S. called for the talents and experience of specialists in many different areas of expertise. _Passive Solar Design Strategies_ is based on research sponsored by the United States Department of Energy (DOE) Solar Buildings Program, and carried out by the Los Alamos National Laboratory, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL)... and the Florida Solar Energy Center (FSEC.) The National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) Standing Committee on Energy has provided invaluable advice and assistance during the development of the Guidelines. Valuable information was drawn from the 14 country International Energy Agency (IEA) Solar Heating and Cooling program, Task VII on Passive and Hybrid Solar Low Energy Buildings... Although all the members of PSIC, especially the Technical Committee, contributed to the financial and technical support of the Guidelines, several contributed far beyond the call of duty. Stephen Szoke, Director of National Accounts, National Concrete Masonry Association, Chairman of PSIC's Board of Directors during the development of the Guildlines; and James Tann, Brick Institute of America, Region 4, Chairman of PSIC's Technical Committee during the development of these guidelines... gave unstintingly of their time, their expertise, and their enthusiasm. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:01:59 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: non-Bucky books Many thanks to Joe S. Moore for the stupendous bibliographies. I'm trying to finish a hypertext project on Fuller, in conjunction with Goldsmiths College, London, and your work is much appreciated. Might I suggest a few other books that could be candidates for the Non-Bucky Books list? Regards, Paul Taylor ptaylor@trombone.demon.co.uk Baggott: Perfect Symmetry, London 1994 Banham, Rayner: Theory And Design In The First Machine Age,The Architectural Press, London 1960 Bateson, Gregory: Mind And Nature, London 1979. Dewey, John: Art As Experience, New York, 1934. Elster, Jon: Explaining Technical Change, London, 1983 Feenberg, Andrew: Critical Theory Of Technology, 1991 Feynman, Richard P.: The Character of Physical Law, 1965 March, Lionel & Steadman, Philip: The Geometry Of Environment, London 1971. Mumford, Lewis: Technics And Civilization, Routledge, London, 1946 Mumford, Lewis: The Culture Of Cities, Secker & Warburg, London, 1940 Mumford, Lewis: The Condition Of Man, Secker & Warburg, London, 1944 Mumford, Lewis: The Conduct Of Life, Secker & Warburg, London, 1952 Mumford, Lewis: Art And Technics, Oxford University Press, 1952 Mumford, Lewis: Technics And Human Development, Harvest, New York, 1966 Mumford, Lewis: The City In History, Pelican, London, 1966 Waddington, C.H.: Tools For Thought, 1977 Weinberg, Gerald M.: An Introduction To General Systems Thinking, 1975 Weiner, Norbert: Cybernetics, 1948 Weizenbaum, Joseph: Computer Power And Human Reason, London, 1984 Whittaker, Edmund: From Euclid To Eddington, New York 1958 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:11:31 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: non-Bucky books In-Reply-To: <828579438.29162.0@trombone.demon.co.uk>; from "Paul Taylor" at Apr 3, 96 8:01 pm Paul Taylor writes: > Many thanks to Joe S. Moore for the stupendous bibliographies. I'm trying > to finish a hypertext project on Fuller, in conjunction with Goldsmiths > College, London, and your work is much appreciated. Might I suggest a few > other books that could be candidates for the Non-Bucky Books list? > ptaylor@trombone.demon.co.uk Thanks. We Bucky fans try harder. Could you tell us more about your project? What computer platform. How will it be available (commercial or PD)? Will there be an associated web site? Etc, etc. Curious minds want to know! PS: Do you have the list of books and articles BY Bucky? They were posted over a year ago. The Geodesic archive is theoretically searchable, though I haven't actually checked it out. I hope to also post a list of books that have contributions by Bucky (forewords, afterwords, contributions (articles, chapters, etc.), but I haven't had time to get to it yet. (I need an assistant??!!!) -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:55:26 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Quote in Wired The latest edition of WIRED has the following quote from Grunch of Giants in the Idees Fortes section. "Because networking is apolitical and amorphous, it has no 'cells' to be attacked, as did the communism of former decades. The fearful sovereign nations' politicos will find that trying to arrest networking is like trying to arrest the waves of the ocean." -R.Buckminster Fuller, 1983. The second Bucky referece in a row! The June 1995 had a tiny picture of Bucky on page 140. He was one of Ted Nelson's (hypertext guru) heros. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:13:48 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: New version of BFI web site Comments: To: jaimes2@aol.com, afsnyder@aol.com, bfi@aol.com, ace@isr.harvard.edu, glovil@rain.org, CMBeutel@aol.com, kelly@pacifica.edu, 73004.3005@compuserve.com, EdApple@aol.com, DeVarco@aol.com Thank you to all who have so far provided valuable feedback re my overhaul of the BFI website at: http://www.critpath.org/bfi/ Those who reported picture/text alignment problems, please check again and let me know if the problems are fixed. You may need to hit the 'reload' button on your browser, as the older versions of the pages may well be cached on your local drive. Please continue to let me know about browser problems, glaring omissions or updates/corrections/links I should know about. Your support and willingness to help me make this important site better and better is both inspiring and motivating. Kirby Volunteer webmaster for BFI ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:24:15 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: Re: non-Bucky books Dear Joe Moore, My project is a work-in-progress (know any sponsors?). There is a web site you could visit for a bit more information,viz.: http://futures.gold.ac.uk/IDEAbase/mapper.html The platform is Apple Mac, and the thing will presumably take some kind of commercial form one day. I would be very interested in the list of books etc. by Fuller. I haven't tried to search the archive, as I'm still at the stage of blundering about with all this technology. Best wishes, Paul Taylor. >Could you tell us more about your project? What computer platform. How will >it be available (commercial or PD)? Will there be an associated web site? >Etc, etc. Curious minds want to know! > >PS: Do you have the list of books and articles BY Bucky? They were posted >over a year ago. The Geodesic archive is theoretically searchable, though I >haven't actually checked it out. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:18:39 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: Perl/Postscript dome calculator/viewer > Kirby Urner wrote: > > > > TO: Joe Moore et al > > RE: Perl script for doing domes, Postscript header/footer for viewing results > > > > Joe: > > > > Thanks for passing on David Boldt's Perl version of Joseph Clinton's program. > > What is Joseph Clinton's Program ? And if it is a Macintosh program for drawing domes, where can I find it. ? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 07:46:59 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Perl/Postscript dome calculator/viewer In-Reply-To: ; from "Jack Lazariuk" at Apr 4, 96 1:18 pm Jack Lazariuk writes: > > Kirby Urner wrote: > > > TO: Joe Moore et al > > > RE: Perl script for doing domes, Postscript header/footer for viewing > results > > > Joe: > > > Thanks for passing on David Boldt's Perl version of Joseph Clinton's > program. > What is Joseph Clinton's Program ? And if it is a Macintosh program for > drawing domes, where can I find it. ? Clinton wrote a computer program to derive chord factors under a contract from NASA many years ago (& thus the code is PD). Boldt converted Clinton's code to another programming language, and Urner converted that to a programming language appropriate for World Wide Web pages. He even managed to include real-time animation, I believe. Technically it's way over my head, but a copy of Kirby's code should be available at his web site: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:41:22 EST Reply-To: millard@cuadmin.cis.columbia.edu Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bill Millard Subject: Expansion of _21stC_ Online Edition Comments: To: Ivy.League.Plus.News.Directors@cucis.cis.columbia.edu Greetings from _21stC_, Columbia University's print/online magazine about research and the ideas that research generates. In recent months we've been working constantly at upgrading the online edition of our publication, and I'd like to invite you and your colleagues to look at our website (http://www.21stC.org/). These pages now include the full contents of our first two issues (with the third soon to come), a large number of useful research-related links inside and outside Columbia, a special page of journalism resources to accompany our media-analysis department "Metanews," and a copy of our guidelines for potential new _21stC_ authors. _21stC_ has received much commentary and acclaim in its first year of existence, and we're always interested in our readers' reactions. If you have any comments about the online edition, requests for our print edition, requests that we remove you from this mailing list, ideas for new articles, or inquiries about any aspect of our publication, please feel free to write me at this e-mail address. Thanks for your attention, and I look forward to hearing your views. Best regards, Bill Millard Editor, _21stC_ millard@cuadmin.cis.columbia.edu voice and voicemail 212/854-9474 fax 212/854-9476 online edition http://www.21stC.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 08:16:01 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: A solar greenhouse There has a plan to create a new wetland as well as restore an old greenhouse, perhaps, at 121 Wartman Road owned by the Perkiomen Valley School District in SE Pennsylvania, that looks approximately like this: N | 16' | The greenhouse sits on a cinder ................. --- block foundation that rises 2-3' . . . above the ground. The greenhouse . . . itself is made of metal angles and . . . glazing bars to fit overlapping . . . single panes of glass approximately . . . 2' x 1.5' each. Above the block wall . . . is about 2' of vertical glass, then . . . another 4' or so of glass sloped at W. . . 32' E slightly less than a 1:1 pitch. . . . More than half of the panes of glass . . . are broken. There are no ventilation . . . (These ASCII fans, but the top sashes can be . . . pictures make cranked open. The greenhouse has no . . . more sense in insulation. Inside the walls there . . . a non-kerning are two block troughs about 4' wide . . . font like courier.) and 3' deep with some fin-tube pipe ................. ___ beneath bench supports. To the north of the greenhouse is a small S equipment shed which used to contain an oil burner (?) to heat the fin-tube pipes, with an expansion tank in the ceiling. A tree is growing up through the broken glass of the greenhouse at the north end. The top of the tree is about 6' above the 9' peak of the greenhouse. . --- . . ~4' How might we solar heat this . . --- greenhouse? This is a . . challenging project because the . . ~5' greenhouse faces the wrong way B B B B for that. Solar greenhouses usually B B B B run east and west, ideally with ............................... a reflective and insulating north wall, in the northern hemisphere. It seems to me that the way to start this project is to remove all the glass from the roof of the greenhouse and replace the broken glass on the sides and endwalls with some of the unbroken panes. Then stretch two layers of polyethylene film over the greenhouse itself, using one large 32' long roll, and inflate a poly duct tube running north and south near the peak of the roof to stretch the two films on cold or windy days with a small (50 watt) blower, more or less following standard commercial plastic film greenhouse practice. On warm calm sunny days the poly duct would be flat, letting the two poly films form one surface, which would decrease the R-value and increase the solar transmission, and save electricity. (The cost of running a 50 watt blower 24 hours per day is about $50 per year.) Next it seems like a good idea to remove the two tilting interior block walls of the troughs and replace them with OSB or plywood walls with pressure treated 2 x 4 bracing, to make a box that will be lined with some foamboard and single pieces of EPDM rubber to make two water troughs about 32' long x 4' wide x 2' deep, below the benches, to add about 512 ft^3 x 64 = 33K Btu/F of thermal mass to the greenhouse. We might add another layer of plastic film inside the vertical glazing along the walls, and a diagonal transparent roll-up R2 cover over the benches as shown below from the south. This might be made from a 4' wide roll of bubble pack insulation or some aluminized greenhouse fabric. 36 F . --- . . ~4' . . --- c is the transparent roll-up cover . c c . p is the new plywood wall . T c c . ~5' i is insulation under the plant benches B i p p i B w is water B w p p w B T is the temperature of the plant benches .............................. Suppose we keep the plants at T=66 F, 24 hours a day, when the roll-up covers are closed. How much energy will that take, on an average winter day? The plants will lose heat to the outside through the side glazing and plastic films, which altogether have an R-value of about two. Let's be conservative and assume the greenhouse itself is also 36 F inside, like the outdoors on an average December day in Philadelphia. Then the amount of heat that leaks out from the plant benches on an average day, Eout, will be about Eout = 24 hr (66F-36F) 6'x 32'/R2 x 2 benches = 138K Btu/day. Since a south wall in Philadelphia receives an average of about 1000 Btu/ft^2 of solar heat on an average day in December, of which 600 might be captured, this means we need a solar collection area of about 138/0.6 = 230 ft^2, eg a south wall 8' tall and 29' long. Adding a shallow frozen reflecting pool (skating rink?) along the wall with a pond liner draped over a perimeter earth berm would reduce the required size of the wall by about 50%, and prevent vegetation from blocking the sun. How warm must the water in the troughs be to provide stored heat for, say, 5 days without sun? About 66 F + 5 days x 138K/day/33K = 87 F. The solar collecting wall could have a foundation made from the cinder blocks recycled from the inner trough walls. It might look like this in cross section, seen from the west: | 1 to 4' | --- ............g S --> iii f g iii --> f g f might be the 4 sections of 32' fin-tube pipe iii--fan?--f g removed from the troughs iii ^ f g iii | s g s might be two layers of greenhouse shadecloth iii s g iii s g g might be a single layer of flat Replex 8'~~~ ~ polycarbonate glazing, or perhaps polyethylene iii s g iii s g i might be fiberglass insulation in a stud wall iii s <-- g or a more interesting wall made of strawbales iii s g and mortar. Ray Lehman on 8th Avenue, Trappe, iii g sells 16" x 16" x 36" R30 rye strawbales for iii s g $1.75 each. Rodents do not like rye straw. .......iii...........g..... Ray also has some interesting strawbales that cbcbcbcbcbcbcbcb are 4' wide x 4' tall x 8' long... 3' cbcbcbcbcbcbcbcb --- cbcbcbcbcbcbcbcb The sun would shine in through the glazing and heat up the greenhouse shadecloth here, which would heat up the air in the wall as it moves from south to north, and the warm air would rise up north of the shadecloth and flow through the fin tubes at the top, heating some antifreeze solution that circulates through the fin tubes with a tiny pump when the sun is shining and the trough water needs heat. How well would this work? Each foot of fin-tube passes about 5 Btu/hr for each degree F of air-water temperature difference in still air, so the overall thermal conductance of 128 linear feet of fin-tube is about 640 Btu/degree F. Or higher, if a photovoltaic fan is used to whirl some air around through this large fin-tube radiator at the top of the wall. The overall thermal conductance of 8' x 32' of wall glazing is about 256 Btu/F, which seems promising, since heat tends to take the path of least resistance, ie greater conductance. So the solar heat that enters the wall will be happier going into the fin-tubes than back out the glazing. What would the water and air temperatures Tw and Ta be on an average 43 F (daytime) day in December using this system, with no fan? Here's the equivalent electrical circuit: (sun current source) --------- | 256K Btu| | Tw -------wwww---------<---| over 6 |-------| | Rf | | hours | | | --------- | |---------wwww---------- 43 F Ta Rg Rf is 1/640 and Rg is 1/256, and the sun power in is about 43K Btu/hour. This is equivalent to the following (Thevenin) circuit: --------- | 43K Btu | | Tt -------wwww---------<---| per |-------| | Rt | | hour | | Ta --------- in which Rt = 1/(640+256) = 1/896 and Tt = 0.714 Tw + 12.3, so Ta = Tt + 43K/896 = Tt + 48 = 0.714 Tw + 12.3 + 48 = 0.714 Tw + 60.3 F. So if Tw = 87 F, the sunspace air temperature will be about 122 F. Not bad. If the energy that flows into the greenhouse during a day, Ein, is equal to the energy that flow out of the greenhouse during a day, Eout, then we have this approximate equation: Ein = 1000 (256) = 256K Btu/day sun energy = 6hr (Ta-43) 256 solar wall loss (day) +18hr (28-28) 256 solar wall loss (ie no loss at night) +138K greenhouse loss (24 hr) = Eout. Solving this equation, we find Ta = 43 + 118K/1536 = 119.8 F, which is pretty close to 122 F. This means the water will be almost 87 F. Good. But it looks like we will need the frozen reflecting pond here, or a bigger wall, or more fin tubes, or a fan or two, or two layers of glazing, or a bench curtain with a higher R-value. With the skating rink, we might have Ein = 1000 (256) 1.5 = 384K/day, so the sunspace air temperature would be Ta = 43 + 246K/1536 = 160 F during the day, and the water temperature would be Tw = (160 - 60)/.714 = 140 F. Now we're cookin':-) There is lots of extra solar heat this way, so the greenhouse interior can be a lot warmer than 43 F during the day. This is all done with mirrors, of course :-) So, here is one possible solution: N | 16' | ................. --- ..................... . . . . . . . . . chicken coop . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..................... . . . W . . . 32' E . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .................. . . . straw wall . . . .......................glass...... ___ 4' . solar wall . ..................................................... . | 32' | . . . . reflecting pool . 16'. made from a single roll of 20' wide . . EPDM rubber roofing material . . . . <-- 50' --> . ..................................................... S 36 F . --- ..................... ..... ~4' . . . --- . . c c . 8' . solar wall . T c c . ~5' . B i p p i B . . B w p p w B . ......................................................................... Happy Easter, everyone. Nick My favorite structure on this property is a 12' x 20' dilapidated chicken coop, with the long dimension running EW, the right way to orient a solar structure. It has a roof that slopes up 2' from the north to the south along the 12' dimension. Part of the building was probably used for plant propagation, since there is a bench on the south side behind some windows, with an old green 4" x 6" box on the wall marked "Mist-a-Matic," made by E C Geiger of North Wales, PA. More about that chicken coop later... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:45:36 -0500 Reply-To: Granius Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Granius Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Contrarian Essays "Innovative Ideas and Proposals" on public affairs, philosophy, the arts, and technology. http://users.aol.com/granius/essays.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:24:54 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: I am a Verb:Centre Writing This is the Centre writing taken from I Am A Verb. The phrasing and that may seem odd, but it is taken verbatim, although in the original it is all CAPATALIZED. It is alot more readable like this on the page. Society neither hears nor sees the great changes going on. Either man is obsolete or war is. War is the ultimate tool of politics. Political leaders look out only for their own side. Politicians are always realistically maneuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers. Half-century of subconsciously developing world revolution is crossing threshold into human consciousness and ultimate popular support. Today's students, reared by television, "the third parent," think world. They think demand justice for all humanity with no exceptions. Theirs will be the most powerful constructive revolution in history. Earth is a very small spaceship. We are all astronauts. Each human is a whole universe. We have 28,000 pounds of explosives for each human being on earth. Weaponry has always been accorded priority over livingry. Only two alternatives - - Utopia or Oblivion. All the fundamental problems are world problems. Man knows so much does so little. Greatest fact of century: We can make life on earth general success for all people. World's prime vital problem: How to triple swiftly safely satisfyingly overall performance realizations per pounds kilowatts manhours of world's comprehensive resources, rendering those resources capable of supporting one hundred per cent of humanity's increasing population at ever higher standards of living than any human minority single individual has known or dreamed of. War over population hunger disease would cease to exist if "haves" devoted larger share of their industrial budget to world livingry. Malthus is wrong. There is enough to go around. Basic you-or-me-not-enough-for-both-ergo-someone-must-die tenets of class warfaring are extinct. Real wealth--indestructible, without practical limits--is combination of physical energy and human intellect. Every time we use real wealth it increases. Intellect must increase wealth to eliminate poverty. Design science, invention revolution could elevate poverty to haveness. (If you can produce it, you can afford it. If you can't produce it, you can't afford it.) Intelligence should be recognized as a global resource. Brain stores retrieves special case experiences. Mind discovery generalized patterns apparently governing all special case experiences. Thinking is the consciously disciplined separation of relevant feedback from irrelevant feedback. Greatest single revolution in human affairs has been ascendancy of intellect's intuitive mastery over the physical but all the important critical events realizing that revolution just happens. Only the impossible happens. Probability unreliable. To each of us environment is everything that isn't "me." New, physically uncompromised metaphysical initiative of unbiased integrity could unify world. It could and probably will be provided by the utterly impersonal problem solutions of man's antibody, the computer. Only the computer's superhuman range of calculative capabilities can and may all political scientific religious leaders face-savingly acquiesce. Evolution is apparently intent that man fulfill a much greater destiny than that of being simple muscle and reflex machine--a slave automaton. (By 1975 China may be most impressively modern nation, highly automated.) Automation can produce wealth beyond all our needs and dreams. (We've always had automation. What's happening to your lunch?) Automation has made man obsolete as physical production and control specialist--just in time. Specialization is only a fancy form of slavery wherein the "expert" is fooled into accepting his slavery by making him feel that in return he is in a socially culturally preferred, ergo, highly-secure, life-long position. Nature always does things in simplest most efficient way. All nature is based on triangles. Nature doesn't have separate departments of physics, chemistry, biology, mathematics. World society is operating almost exclusively in inaudible nonvisible area of physical universe. We are living in a world where change is normal. Because prime evolutionary transformations are invisible, it is approximately impossible for world society to comprehend that changes in next 30 years will be far greater than in last 100 years. Artists are now being recognized as extraordinarily important to human society. Scientist are utterly irresponsible regarding pro-vs.-anti social disposition of "eggs" they lay in the laboratories. Every child is born a genius: Ninety-nine percent are degeniused by early post-natal circumstances. Human being has great potentiality, but many wires get disconnected. Ages 0 to 4 are biggest "school" opportunity. Child is trim tab of the future. Least favorable environment for study is schoolroom and closely-packed desk prisons. Real schoolhouse is in the home and outdoors. Within 10 years anything reasonably think-upable by science fiction will probably have been realized. Possession is becoming progressively burdensome, wasteful, obsolete, total man may be going through a total wave of transformation into an entirely new relationship with the universe. Man freed of special case superstition by intellect has had survival potentials multiplied millionsfold. Humans can now whisper in one another's ear from anywhere around the world. (Be sure to entertain all your emotions.) Intellectual integrity will win tomorrow's battles with accelerating inexorability. Political commercial sham false premise institutions will vanish with startling rapidity. Man, as designed, is obviously intended to be a success. Success: not a bad thing to have "hanging over your head." Experiment is always valuable. You can't learn less. You can always get nearer to the truth. Language can be a block to reality.) Coping with the totality of Spaceship Earth and Universe is ahead for all of us. (Man was designed with legs -- not roots) Man can do anything he wants. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:36:34 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Merlin Levine Subject: I SEEM TO BE A VERB At 09:24 PM 4/6/96 GMT, bill paton wrote: >This is the Centre writing taken from I Am A Verb. The phrasing and that >may seem odd, but it is taken verbatim, although in the original it is all >CAPATALIZED. It is alot more readable like this on the page. > >Society neither hears ... Bill: I believe the correct title for this book is I SEEM TO BE A VERB _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ / \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \ \_/ Rick Merlin Levine, Redmond WA _/ \ VOX (206)882-3481 / \_/ \_/ / \_/ \ rlevine@halcyon.com / \_/ \_/ \_/ FAX (206)867-1202 \_/ \_/ \ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ / \_/ "When the digital revolution rolls over you, you're \_/ \_/ \ \_/either part of the streamroller or part of the road." (WIRED) _/ \_/ / \_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/ \_/ \ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 02:15:36 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: non-Bucky books Paul Taylor wrote: >Dear Joe Moore, > >My project is a work-in-progress (know any sponsors?). There is a web site >you could visit for a bit more information,viz.: >http://futures.gold.ac.uk/IDEAbase/mapper.html I read your essay with interest. Seems like if you're into making the connection between Vannevar Bush-style MEMEX hypertext and older forms of scholarship, you can't help but stumble into the hermetic practice of The Art of Memory: One of the most striking features of classical memories as revealed in Ad Herennium is the sense of space, depth, lighting in the memory suggested by the place rules; and the care taken to make the images stand out clearly on the loci, for example in the injunction that places must not be too dark, or the images will be obscured, nor too light lest the dazzle confuse the images. Frances A. Yates -- The Art of Memory A good resource on this is at http://shrine.cyber.ad.jp/~darrell/mnem-arch.html Used to be a fine draft essay there, no just a lot of quotes -- but still interesting (takes a long time to load this page [in Japan, with a fair number of pix + wallpaper] but worth the wait IMHO). For more on tying hypertext to Synergetics, I encourage you to check my essay: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/omnihalo.html Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 09:02:54 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Stuart Quimby Subject: Re: syn-l: modeling technique Comments: To: "synergetics-l@teleport.com" k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com writes: >stuart quimby, if you are out there, perhaps these clips could be >mass-produced somehow. i think this would be a great addition to your >design-science toys catalog. perhaps the clips could be made with = colored >plastic, and 2-inch hard plastic tubes could be provided in place of = straws. >the rubber-bands could be replaced with colorful elastic loops. =20 >anyway, i hope this idea, or some other idea fulfilling my modeling = dreams, >will soon be developed. ideas and comments are welcome. syn-l and = list >geodesic seem like the best places for these ideas to get worked out. =20 Yeah, I'm out here, just running about 1.5 months behind in my = Synergetics mail (not exactly "real time" response) I didn't quite = catch on to your whole idea but I'd love to give it a closer look, using = the straws as struts would definately brinb the manufacturing cost = down...- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:15:16 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Butterfly Organization: Evolutionary Acceleration, Inc. Subject: Recent geodesic-related magazine articles... Check out the March issue of Scientific American for an article on cell biology that shows how our own cells are building geodesic protein shells for the day-to-day operation of the cell, packaging of enzymes, shipping of nutrients, etc. It's quite cool. The diagrams clearly illustrate how the geodesic frame begins to dome, and thus "draw out" a portion of the cellular membrane to form a "pocket" and then as the dome finishes becoming a sphere, it "pinches off" from the membrane and floats away as a self-contained bubble of nutrients, surrounded by the protein shell. Shortly thereafter, the shell self-destructs, leaving the bubble to float to its destination. This "pinching off" had been a big mystery for years. No one knew what made the cell decide to do that. If you've built a Synergy Ball, or other tensegrity or dome-based model, the doming characteristics they show will be quite familiar. ----- Also, the latest "Whole Earth Review" (Spring '96) has a great article on Bucky's work and J. Baldwin's new book, "BuckyWorks". Lots of good pictures and resources listed, including Kirby's website. Surprisingly, they didn't mention this group/list, but I'm sure people won't have trouble finding it, with all the other pointers. :) -- Pat _____________________________Think For Yourself______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury Web: http://seneca.sco.com/pat.html Mail with "send-file-info-please" in subject line to get my public-files list. ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 08:54:30 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Exploring solar wetland structures Were Jesus alive on Easter Sunday, 5 years ago, would He have condoned the Gulf War, or might He have said that blood, like oil, should not be wasted? Would he have worried with Donald Hodel, a former DOE Secretary, that we are 'sleepwalking into a disaster'? Hodel predicts a major oil crisis within a few years, while Irwin Stelzer of the American Enterprise Institute, says that the next oil shock "will make those of the 1970's seem trivial by comparison," and Shell Oil's planners believe that "renewables may make up a third of the supply of new electricity within three decades even if electricity from fossil fuels continues to decline in cost. (From "Mideast Oil Forever?" by Romm and Curtis, Atlantic Monthly, April 1996, Boston, (617) 536-9500). These are moot questions, if "faith without works is dead." Israelis hardly need solar heat, but they use it in the Rankine cycle power plant in the Dead Sea, making 5 Megawatts of electricity with 170 F brine drawn from the bottoms of 62 acres of solar ponds, unlike our largest 0.83 acre solar pond in El Paso, Texas, which makes heat for a food canning plant. When last we met, gentile readers :-) I miscalculated the average winter water temperature in a greenhouse heating system: >With the skating rink, we might have Ein = 1000 (256) 1.5 = 384K/day, so >the sunspace air temperature would be Ta = 43 + 246K/1536 = 160 F during Oops, I should have written Ta = 43 + 246K/1536 = 43 + 160 = 203 F... This would be a hot sauna, almost boiling. We could fix this "problem" by filling the sunspace with bricks, as the PSIC priesthood recommend, or we could just let it be, as a heretical high-performance, inexpensive sunspace. >the day, and the water temperature would be Tw = (160 - 60)/0.714 = 140 F. This should have been Tw = (203 - 84)/0.714 = 167 F. Close to that Dead Sea solar pond power plant temperature. Hmmm... Here is a better diagram of the greenhouse site, as improved: ..................... . . . . . chicken coop . 12' N . . | 16' | . . . . . . . . ................. --- ..................... <- 30' -> . . . 20' . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | (Does this picture suggest . . . enclosing the 30 x 66' space?) W . . . 32' E .30' . . . . . . . | . . . . . . . . . . .................. . . . straw wall . . . . . . . . . . . . . .......................glass...... --- 4' . solar wall 203 F . ..................................................... . | 32' | . . . . reflecting pool . 16'. made from a single roll of 20' wide . . EPDM rubber roofing material . . . . <-- 50' --> . ..................................................... . S . (with an air-inflated roof, . like a tennis court?) . ..................... 36 F . . --- . . ..................... ..... ~4' . . . . . --- . chicken coop . . . c c . . . 8' . solar wall . T c c . ~5' . . . B i p p i B . .. . B w p p w B . .............................................................................. My favorite structure on this property is the 12' x 20' dilapdated chicken coop, with the long dimension running EW, the right way to orient a solar structure. It has a roof that slopes up 2' from the north to the south along the 12' dimension. Part of the building was probably used for plant propagation, since there is a bench on the south side behind some windows, with an old green 4" x 6" box on the wall marked "Mist-a-Matic," made by E C Geiger of North Wales, PA. How can we solar heat the chicken coop? Perhaps surround it with strawbales? A strawbale and mortar wall all around it, and strawbales on the roof, with a layer of EPDM rubber over the straw? The chicken coop is interesting inside, mostly wood, but the outside is covered with ugly warped green asphalt shingles, many about to fall off. We might want to hire a team of Professional Structural Engineers to certify beyond all reasonable doubt with elaborate studies and tests, ie their own high-priced chicken manure, that this chicken coop would not collapse in a tragic heap of straw and feathers, but assuming that were not a problem... ...we'd have a box with R-40ish walls, about 12' deep by 20' wide (EW) by 8' tall, with about 64 ft^2 of R2 (?) doors and windows. The building envelope would have a total area of about 2(12x20+12x8+20x8)=864 ft^2, with a strawbale thermal conductance of 800ft^2/R40 = 20 and a window, etc thermal conductance of 64ft^2/R2 = 32, ie a total thermal conductance of 52 Btu/hr per degree F. Note that the windows and doors are less than a tenth of the wall area, but they account for more than half of the thermal loss of the structure. To keep the chicken coop at 76 F inside for 24 hours a day, on an average 36 F December day in Philadelphia, we would need 24 hr (76F-36F) 52 = 50K Btu. About a half-gallon of oil, or 75 ft^2 of solar air heater area. Suppose we add a low-thermal-mass lean-to sunspace to the south wall, eg 20' x 9' of south-facing polycarbonate glazing, with the bottom edge buried in the ground 4' in front of the chicken coop, with a 4' reflective/shading overhang at the top of the sunspace, at a steeper slope than the roof. That might look something like this from the east: . . straw g Du . . . s . . s g t . . t r . ~8' . r a . . a g w . . w Dl . .............g................................................. g | 12' | The single layer polycarbonate might be Dynaglas corrugated sheets, about 4' wide x 12' long, distributed by SPS at (408) 997-6100, and sold by greenhouse suppliers like E C Geiger at (800) 4 GEIGER, or geigerintl@hortnet.com, with web site http://www.hortnet.com, or D & L Growers at (800) 732-3509, or Stuppy Greenhouse Manufacturing, Inc., at (800) 877-5025. Dynaglas and similar products made by Replex Plastics and GE cost just over a dollar per square foot, require support on 4' centers, and have a 10 year guarantee against loss of light transmission and an expected mechanical lifetime of over 25 years. GE's application note on page I-18 of the Stuppy catalog says "For added strength and rodent control, sheets at ground level may be buried 4" to 6"." Some landscaping timbers staked to the ground with 4' of #4 rebar might be a suitable foundation, and the glazing wall studs might be 2x4s on 4' centers north of a mid-height 2x4 purlin. How much thermal mass would would we need to keep this building at 76 F inside, 24 hours a day, during a very cloudy December, eg for 20 days in a row, at 36 F outside, with no sun? About 20 x 50K = 1 million Btu. Suppose our thermal mass were water inside a solar closet, and after a long string of average December, with some sun, the water had a temperature of 130 F. Then a 55 gallon drum full of water would store about 55 gal x 8 lb/gal x (130F-80F) = 25,000 Btu of usable heat. How many drums do we need in this solar closet? 1 million/25K = 40 drums. How much space would they require? Each drum is just under 3' high x 2' in diameter, so we might line up 6 of them in a row from north to south along the east side of the coop. If the drums were stacked two-high, each 2' x 12' slice of the building could store about 12 drums, and there would be an insulated wall running NS between the solar closet and the plant propagation area. The drums would fill up the 8' x 12' area where the chickens lived. This is 40% of the floor space in this building, but that fraction might decrease to less than 2% of the floor space of a new 2,000 ft^2 building with, say, 5 days, vs 20 days of thermal storage. Large buildings with small surface to volume ratios are easy to solar heat. What will the water temperature in the solar closet be, after a string of average December days, eg days with 6 hours of sun at an average daytime outdoor temperature of 43 F, and an average outdoor 24 hour temperature of 36 F, and an average 1000 Btu/ft^2 of sun that falls on the sunspace? This isn't hard to estimate, so why spoil the fun? As Tom Smith said in 1980, "It's a snap to save energy in this country. As soon as more people become involved in the basic math of heat transfer and get a gut-level, as well as intellectual, grasp on how a house works, solution after solution will appear." Here are some hints: The solar closet might have its own air heater, with an inner glazing as a part of the house wall between the sunspace glazing and the inside of the house. In this case, that inner glazing might be 8' tall x 8' wide, so that approximately 64K Btu/day enter the solar closet. One way to calculate how warm the water would be after a long string of average days is to figure out how much net energy the sunspace collects on an average day, and how much is needed to keep the coop warm, and how much is leftover. The leftover energy can go into heating the water inside the solar closet, which can be very well-sealed with insulation all round during the night, and never used for house heating on an average day, if the house contains sufficient thermal mass of its own... At this point we might have a solar heated greenhouse with an 8' solar wall running 16' west to help keep it warm, and a solar heated chicken coop in the other corner of that 30 x 50' rectangle. They would both lose heat to the outdoor air through two sides of their structures. We might extend the solar wall and build more straw walls and put a lightweight air-supported roof over the 30 x 58' rectangle between the SW corner of the chicken coop and the ridge of the greenhouse, like this: straw ..................... .s . .t . straw N .r chicken coop . 12' | 16' | Aa A..........................................A .w . straw wall ................. --- A...................A........................... A . . . 20' | <- 30' -> . . . . s . . . . . t . . . . . r . 38' x 66' membrane cover . . . . a . . . . . w . | . . . . . W . . . 32' E . w .26' . . . . a . . . . . l . | . . . . l . . . . . . . . . . A........................................... . . . straw wall . . . A....................................................glAss...... --- . 4' solar wall . A..............................................................A.......... . . reflecting pool . 16' made from a single roll of 20' wide . EPDM rubber roofing material . . <-- 100' --> . <......................................................................... . S . air-inflated cover? . ....A..................................................A --- . . . ..... ~4' . . . . --- . chicken coop . . c c . . . 9' tall solar wall . T c c . ~5' . . B i p p i B . . B w p p w B . .............................................................................. The cover might attach along lines with corners marked A above. It could be rectangular in shape, as seen from above, and curved as seen from the east or south. It might be made in a north and a south section, and the main part, the north section, perhaps 2/3 of the cover, might be opaque and roughly parabolic in the NS profile and reflective underneath to help keep heat inside the structure, and to bounce and concentrate winter sun down into an indoor pond, as in Howard Reichmuth, PE's very successful full-size Ecotope concentrating greenhouse built 20 years ago, in cloudy Seattle, which has half the winter sun of Philadelphia and a fourth of New Mexico's. We also want to avoid summer overheating with this opaque north section, while the steep-sloping south section would be more transparent to let in light, and let in the heat of the winter sun. The cover might rise 18' above the wall at the highest point, with an average south-facing height of 9' above the straw wall, to admit a daily average total winter sun heat of Ein = 18' x 66' x 1000 Btu/ft^2/day x 1.5 = 1.8 million Btu, ie 522 kWh, with a peak sun power input of about 157 kW or 210 horsepower. The main heat loss from this enclosure would be through the cover, with somewhat less heat lost through the greenhouse. Ignoring the greenhouse and walls for the moment, what would the average R-value for the 1500 ft^2 cover have to be to keep the inside 66 F for 24 hours a day in December? Ein = 1.8 million Btu = 24 (66-36) 1500 ft^2/Rcover ==> Rcover = 1.7. We might use an R1 clear plastic for the south part, and something like the Ludvig Svensson aluminized environmental screen (R3.2?) for the north half, described on page E-5 of the current Stuppy catalog this way: "The permeable closed-structure construction allows the transfer of humidity to prevent condensation, while providing a light-controlled environment for your crops." This material costs 32 cents/ft^2, with additional small fabrication charges for sewing custom sized pieces out of standard 10-14' widths, adding tapes and grommets and hooks, etc, as specified. A less expensive possibility for the north section is Klerk's K-white Tri-Layer Greenhouse Film, a "strong EVA copolymer resin for excellent durability," treated with UV inhibitors and filled with titanium dioxide white pigment to give a 45% light transmission. This material costs 7.8 cents/ft^2, and it has a 3 year guarantee. It might last longer with no southern exposure. It comes in rolls up to 50' wide, 6 mils thick. I would guess it is recyclable. In either case, it seems prudent to have a few flagpoles and wires underneath in case the fabric rips or pressure is lost, and some ropes attached to some points overhead to control wind flapping. A more permanent solution would be a Monolithic Dome cap (800) 608-0001, costing about $20/ft^2, put up as a turnkey shell, with 2" of reinforced concrete under 3" of polyurethane foam, all sprayed on from the inside under the inflated airform. The thermal mass and conductivity of the concrete inside the foam insulation would make this an excellent solar structure. One might reduce the cost by leaving out the concrete or using thin ferrocement instead, on a geodesic framework faced with wire mesh. How large a thermal mass would we need to keep this enclosure at 66 F for 5 days without sun when the outdoor air temperature is 36 F? Suppose the thermal pond has a temperature of 100 F, with an 16' x 40' area, and the cover has an average R-value of 2. Then the enclosure will lose about 24 (66-36) 1500/2 = 540K Btu/day, or about 2.7 million Btu over 5 days. If the pond can keep the enclosure at 66 F until the water reaches 70 F, and each cubic foot of pond water stores 62 Btu when heated 1 degree F, and the pond has a depth of D feet, 62 x 16 x 40 x D (100F-70F) = 2.7 million Btu, so D = 2.3'. It would be interesting to observe the organisms that evolve over time in this indoor wetland, vs the one outdoors... We would need a smaller or cooler thermal storage pond if the roof were better insulated. One way to accomplish this is to use a tensile structure with the profile shown below, from the east: . . . . . . . . . .16'. ........... . . . . . . . chicken . pond . . . coop . ......................................................................... This might look like a 16' x 66' transparent wall from the south, perhaps with a sag in the middle. The main roof, the ie north slope, might be made with 4' wide chicken wire strips running north and south, joined with galvanized metal strips that sandwich the chicken wire. The wire web might be covered with 1/2" of cement, and it might have a layer of fluffy plant material on top, eg composted water hyacinths, with a synthetic waterproof breathable fabric layer tied on over that. The pole supports at the SE and SW corners might be telephone poles wrapped with ferrocement, ie a layer of chicken wire with some cement on top to strengthen and weatherproof them. This taller south wall would benefit from a wider frozen reflecting pond in the NS direction, since winter sun only reaches a height of 26 degrees above the horizon in this area, and tan(26) = 0.43, ie the sun from a mirror 37' wide in the NS direction would just strike the top of the 16' solar wall at noon on 12/21. So we might make the reflecting pond 38' wide using 2 strips of EPDM rubber roofing material, perhaps with an EW standing seam in the middle. We might use that pond for sewage treatment... US EPA Design Manual number 74, "Subsurface Flow Constructed Wetlands for Wastewater Treatment," written by Sherwood C. Reed, PE, is available for about $12 from the Small Flows Clearinghouse at West Virginia University at POB 6064, Morgantown, WV, 26506-6064, (304) 293-4191 or (800) 624-8301. Here's a quote: The proponents of subsurface inlet manifolds claim they are necessary to avoid the buildup of algal slimes on the rock surfaces and resulting clogging adjacent to a surface manifold. The disadvanatages of a subsurface manifold are the inability for future adjustment and the limited access for maintenance. In one case, a buried manifold became clogged with turtles which entered the piping system from the preliminary treatment lagoon and had to be removed. There is a lot of nice, simple math in this manual, which explains how to build a natural wastewater treatment system for a home or community. The manual doesn't say where the frogs came from :-) Reed's book _Natural Systems for Waste Management and Treatment_ describes how to build ponds, lagoons and artificial wetlands, and predict their performance. McGraw Hill, 1995, second edition, ISBN 0-07-060982-9, 434 pages, about $55. The back cover says: Here is your chance to learn about biologically-based systems for handling waste that are fast becoming the technology of choice in communities and municipalities across the United States... the new edition of this classic reference will introduce you to low-cost, low-energy methods of processing waste and wastewater naturally... Here are some quotes: Serious interest in natural methods for waste treatment reemerged in the US following the passage of the Clean Water Act of 1972... The major initial response was to assume that the "zero-discharge" mandate of the law could be obtained via a combination of mechanical treatment units capable of Advanced Wastewater Treatment (AWT). In theory, any specified level of water quality can be achieved via a combination of mechanical operations, However the energy requirements and high cost of this approach soon became apparent, and a search for alternatives was commenced... ...as more and more systems were built... it was noticed that these natural systems... could usually be constructed and operated for less cost and with less energy... ...there were about 400 municipal land treatment systems using wastewater in the US in the early 70's. That number had grown to at least 1400 by the mid 1980's and is projected to pass 2000 by the year 2000. Stabilization ponds have been employed for treatment of wastewater for over 3000 years... The most common type is the facultative pond. Other terms commonly applied are oxidation pond, sewage lagoon, and photosynthetic pond. Anaerobic fermentation occurs in the lower layer and aerobic stabilization occurs in the upper layer... a continuous ice layer on a facultative pond will lower performance [but a partial ice layer on a cold day might make a very nice solar reflector--NP]... The occasional high concentration of suspended solids (SS) in the effluent... is the major disadvantage of pond systems. The solids are composed primarily of algae, not wastewater solids. Aquatic treatment is defined as the use of aquatic plants or animals as a component in a wastewater treatment system. In many parts of the world, wastewater is used for the production of fish... The floating aquatic plants with the greatest potential for wastewater treatment include water hyacinths, duckweeds, pennywort and water ferns... Hyacinths are one of the most productive photosynthetic plants in the world. It has been estimated that 10 plants could produce 600,000 more during an 8 month growing season and completely cover 0.4 ha (1 acre) of a natural freshwater surface. The rate can be even higher in wastewater ponds... The dense canopy of leaves shades the surface and prevents algal growth... The plant can survive and grow in anaerobic waters, since oxygen is transmitted from the leaves to the root mass. The attached biological growth on the root mass is similar to... rotating biological contactor (RBC) slimes. Bacteria, fungi, predators, filter feeders and detritovores have been reported in large numbers on and among the plant roots... An effective mosquito control method is to stock each basin with Gambusia or other small surface feeding fish that prey on the mosquito larvae... [Other species include goldfish, frogs, grass shrimp, blue tilapia and Japanese koi. The hyacinths are sometimes harvested and processed in a biogas digestor or used for animal feed...] ...duckweeds are the smallest and simplest of the flowering plants and have one of the fastest reproduction rates... Lemna sp. grown in wastewater effluent (at 27 C) doubles in frond numbers, and therefore area covered, every 4 days. [Not surprisingly, ducks like to eat duckweed, a lot--NP] ...duckweed can grow at least twice as fast as other vascular plants. The plant is essentially all metabolically active cells, with very little structural fiber... Duckweeds are more cold-tolerant than hyacinths, and are found throughout the world. In 1992 there were at least 15 operational wastewater treatment facilities designed specifically as duckweed systems... mosquito larvae will not be able to penetrate a fully developed duckweed mat, and are therefore not a problem... Duckweed, like hyacinth, contains about 95% water... duckweed contains at least twice as much protein, fat, nitrogen and phosphorous as hyacinth. Several nutritional studies have confirmed the value of duckweed as a food source for a variety of birds and amimals [footnote]... The harvested plants may be used directly in the wet state as poultry or animal feed. Composting... is also feasible. Pond systems in colder climates can be designed for the seasonal use of duckweed to significantly improve performance durign the normal algal growth season... Duckweed plants form a "winter bud" at the onset of cold weather. This "winter bud" has a high specific gravity and sinks to the bottom of the pond, where it remains all winter [under the reflective ice layer--NP.] In the following spring they float and repopulate the pond... The aquatic animals that have been considered for use in wastewater treatment include Daphnia, brine shrimp, and a wide variety of fish, clams, oysters and lobsters... Except for the predatory fish and the lobsters, the primary function of the other species is the removal of the suspended solids or algae. Assuming that the animals are routinely harvested, this will in turn also improve nutrient removal... Fish activity is highly dependent on temperature, and most of the species... with the exception of catfish... require relatively warm water... The final lightly loaded cells in wastewater pond systems can be used for fish culture if a market for the harvested fish exists. At present, federal and state health regulations prevent the sale of such fish for direct human consumption, even though microbiological studies have not detected any contamination... major markets for this harvested material would be bait fish, pet food or fertilizer. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 10:59:51 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Article about Toronto by RBF Comments: To: Bill Paton In-Reply-To: <3166A210.5C89@inforamp.net>; from "Bill Paton" at Apr 6, 96 4:55 pm Bill Paton writes: > Thanks so much for the list of articles you posted on > bit.listserv.geodesic. I appreciate them. > I wonder if you are familiar with an article Bucky wrote in The > Toronto Star in either 1976 (I believe it was) or 1966, about the My database shows no entry for "Toronto Star", only an article by Lehmann in the Montreal Star on 5-25-74. > future of Toronto in 1996. I have tried to find out about it because I > would like to re-examine it and have it re-published, perhaps along > with some more notes. I can't remember where I came along this > information, but anything you could do to help would be appreciated. My DB is far from complete. RBF's office only published a list of "major" articles by him. I've supplemented that as best I could, but I'm sure there are many more articles by RBF that I'm not aware of--yet. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:56:37 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jan Lamprecht Organization: Internet Africa Subject: HELP! Refractive index of light in Polar regions..... HELP! Refractive index of light in Polar regions..... I am busy doing research for a documentary and would appreciate some help with the following problem: What is the refractive index of light in the atmosphere, in the Polar regions? I'm interested in a phenomenon called the Water-sky (and also navigation) in the Polar regions. I need information on the refractive index of light in these regions. The number I'm using for my calculations is 1.00029 (STP) - however this must surely be much higher in polar regions. Kindly reply by e-mail. Cheers, Jan... * Ignorant people think it's the noise which fighting cats make that is aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening grammar they use. (Mark Twain) * No one's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. (Mark Twain) * What do politicians and porn stars have in common? They're both experts at changing positions in front of the camera. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 23:13:45 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Another example Here's one: 1. friend in London tracks me down thru the internet out of the blue, old college friend. Has recently wiped out on a motor bike. Leg severely injured. 2. artist in New York tracks me down thru the internet within a couple weeks, also out of the blue. I was first introduced to his work a long while back by friend (1) (they don't know each other at all). 3. artist writes that he's just wiped out on his bicycle, hurt his leg (not severely though). 4. London friend's email address <..>@hobble.demon.co.uk Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 23:27:51 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Another example pdx4d@teleport.com (Kirby Urner) wrote: >Here's one: > >1. friend in London tracks me down thru the internet out of >the blue, old college friend. Has recently wiped out on a >motor bike. Leg severely injured. > >2. artist in New York tracks me down thru the internet within >a couple weeks, also out of the blue. I was first introduced >to his work a long while back by friend (1) (they don't know >each other at all). > >3. artist writes that he's just wiped out on his bicycle, >hurt his leg (not severely though). > >4. London friend's email address <..>@hobble.demon.co.uk > >Kirby > >---------------------------------------------------- >Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU >Email: pdx4d@teleport.com >Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ This was actually intended for alt.psychology.synchronicity -- posted it to 'geodesic' by mistake (appropriately, since the artist's work is connected to Buckminster Fuller's). ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:30:35 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: NEW URLS Comments: cc: Synergetics List I just found two very interesting URLs: http://ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu/~listserv/GEODESIC/ The monthly logs of the Geodesic list from 1992 to present. --------- http://guaraldi.cs.colostate.edu:2000/form SavvySearch which can search up to 17 search engines and integrate the results! -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:41:51 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: cross platform Richard and Gerald Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <9604081153.AA16011@highway1.com.au>; from "John Mac Cosham" at Apr 8, 96 7:52 pm John Mac Cosham writes: > In a nut shell there is a great divide between Richard and Gerald's work. > As I see it a Mac is far better for viewing Richard's work. I > downloaded Quicktime for windows to use on the Pc and it was not nearly as > good as Peter's player on the Mac. > Struck Java is fantastic on the PC. > I am trying to integrate both their work for myself. That is jump > between Richard's graphics and the struck rbf files at will and I have hit > problems. One is that Richard's FTP site seems no longer available to my > Mac, but I can get into it with the PC. The other problem is that the PC > is more difficult to use. I am adapting but as I say viewing the movies is > just not as good. I am a beginner, no doubt. But there could be a lot more > beginners waiting to come and look. So forget about CD's. The beautiful > linking of Web pages may be all that is needed to kick start Synergetics. > dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au I agree. If materials are not available to the world over the Internet, they're not available. Paper, videotapes, audiotapes, CDs, etc, are not readily "available", to my mind. If I can't download it from my livingroom, forget it! Too expensive, too inconvenient, too slow--you know? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:03:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: ll Subject: Watch Bucky Film -- Play the World Game "Change the World in April" Watch "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud" on PBS this April 10th! It's an excellent 90 minute summary of the life, work and genius of Bucky Fuller. Then: Join us in playing the most exciting role-playing game ever! Where? San Diego (April 26-27) and Santa Barbara (April 28). The World Game addresses issues that we as individuals feel helpless about: pollution, starvation, war, disease, and it encourages us to experience that we can make a difference! You get to be a world leader, and the world will never look the same again. To contact GENI, just activate REPLY, or ring us on (619)595-0139. To find out more, check our homepage: http://www.geni.org/ GENI 'Global Energy Network International' will host the World Game in San Diego (April 26-27) and in Santa Barbara (April 28) in conjunction with the Buckminster Fuller Institute. The World Game is the most important global educational experience on the planet. It's purpose is to "make the world work for 100% of humanity in the shortest possible time through spontaneous cooperation without ecological damage or disadvantage to anyone." Our Honorary Chairman, Astronaut Buzz Aldrin, said about the event, "Walking around on the World Game Big Dymaxion Map is the best experience I've had of the Earth since returning from the moon." You can play on the world's largest and most accurate map, full of global citizens developing strategies and working together to solve the world's problems. The LA Times (Sept. 95) - "This Game is Anything but Child's Play. Buckminster Fuller's creation aims to fight the real enemies of mankind: starvation, disease and illiteracy." Contact GENI at: (619)595-0139 or INTERNET: genierf.net or Compuserve: 75543.520 Our homepage: http://www.geni.org/ GLOBAL ENERGY NETWORK INTERNATIONAL Peter Meisen P.O.Box 81565 San Diego, CA 92138 (619) 595-0139 FAX: (619) 595-0403 Visit the GENI World Wide Web Home Page: http://www.geni.org/ Email: Internet: geni@cerf.net Compuserve: 75543.520@compuserve.com GENI is a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation conducting education and research into the interconnection of renewable energy resources around the world. This was proposed as the highest priority objective from the World Game of 20th century visionary, Dr. R Buckminster Fuller. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:19:23 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Christopher Rywalt Organization: WestNet Internet Services Subject: Bucky on PBS Hi ho. I haven't been around in a while, what with working and all -- I'm sure Bucky would be horrified -- but I had to post this. From what I can see, no one else has yet. Anyone who lives in or near America, check your local PBS listings; here in New York, this Wednesday they're airing the episode of ``American Masters'' entitled ``Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud''. Here in New York it's on at 9:00 pm Wednesday night; one station in Montana (which happens to have a Website, KUSM) has it on at 8:00 pm. I'll be taping it -- both because I'll be out at a friend's band's show and because it's a new episode of ``Law & Order'' that night. Anyway, look for it. Here's the blurb from KUSM http://www.kusm.montana.edu/visions/ProgramGuide/dailies/04/0010.html A true Renaissance man, R. Buckminster Fuller is best remembered as an architect and creator of the geodesic dome -- but he made an equally dramatic mark as an engineer, inventor, philosopher and iconoclast. This is the first retrospective look at this remarkable man, who urged people to think "globally" and "ecologically" decades before the words were even popular, much less understood. Chris. crywalt@westnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:25:33 -0400 Reply-To: OREGDOME Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: OREGDOME Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Oregon Dome Events Oregon Dome has several events planned over the next few weeks that we would love to have people attend. Hereafter (unless people prefer that I post here), events will be announced on our index page, located at: http://www.domes.com (I'm not having any problems with the brain-hand bandwidth today) The events: April 11-14 HBA's Rocky Mountain Home Show. Linda Boothe, Marketing Director of Oregon Dome will be at the Oregon Dome booth answering questions and handing out literature. A dome model will be available for viewing, as will a sample set of plans and a great deal of photographs. Design Consultation will be available on a follow up basis due to the volume of people at the show. April 13-19 Colorado Dome Raising! Jack and Rachel Rinehart, our dealers in the Colorado Springs area, will be raising a dome in Peyton, Colorado. People are welcome to visit. Arraingements to attend should be made through the Rineharts at their work phone number (719) 590-7242. April 27 Tennessee Dome Raising! Frank and Beth Rogoyski will be supervising the raising of a new dome in Knoxville. Visitors are welcome. Make arraingements with the Rogoyskis at their work phone number at (606) 243-1303. Again, I will attempt to keep these commercial posts to a minimum. My web page developer promised me that a new version would be up by today with these dates, but I wanted to be sure that people had instant access to the Colorado dates since they are coming up so soon. Thanks, Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:27:53 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Christopher Rywalt Organization: WestNet Internet Services Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS By the way, I find if you visit http://www.pbs.org/ you can find your local PBS station (a lot of them have Web sites) and find out when ``BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THINKING OUT LOUD'' will air in your area. Chris. crywalt@westnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:02:22 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Cathedralite "Geodesic Floor Plans" TOC (fwd) Michael Rader writes: > From kirk.dnaco.net!dnaco.net!michael Mon Apr 8 20:20:05 1996 > From: Michael Rader > To: Joe Moore > Subject: Cathedralite "Geodesic Floor Plans" TOC > Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:11:29 -0400 (EDT) > Priority: NORMAL > X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.2 > X-Authentication: none > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > > Joe - > > I received the copy of Cathedralite's "Geodesic Floor Plans" I ordered > from Amazon.com over the weekend. It is similar to the "Dome Scrap > Book", in that it is really just a series of floor plan ideas available > from the company in question (in this case, Cathedralite, no longer in > business). My comments are the same as for "Geodesic Floor Plans". > It's nice to see some different plans to get an idea of what you > do/don't want in a dome interior. As you requested, the table of > contents is as follows: > > > > Geodesic Floor Plans > Catherdralite > Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company, c1981 > > > Table of Contents > > > Introduction > > Fully Engineered Designs > Horizon Series > Odyssey Series > Alta Series > Cuesta Series > Del Mar Series > Vista Concept > Vista 30 ft. Plans > Vista 35 ft. Plans > Vista 39 ft. Plans > > Photographs of Completed Domes > > Plan Service > > Order Form > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Rader > michael@dnaco.net > Growing Spaces "Growing Dome" page - > "http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/growing-spaces/" > "Geodesic Domes - Structures and Homes" page - > "http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/domes/" > "If it isn't a dome, it's not a home" > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:19:43 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: NEW BUCKY WEB SITE! Comments: cc: Synergetics List WNET-TV (PBS station in NYC) has added an extensive set of pages to their web site in conjunction with their airing of the upcoming Bucky special Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud. Worth checking out! http://www.wnet.org/bucky.cgi -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:49:06 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Filip De Vos Organization: University of Ghent, Belgium Subject: High Frontier [ Article crossposted from sci.space.policy ] [ Author was ] [ Posted on 9 Apr 1996 07:41:15 GMT ] George Herbert (gherbert@crl.com) wrote: : wrote: : >sgloor@netinfo.com.au (Stephen Gloor) wrote: : >>I have just re-read Gerard K O'Neill's High Frontier. After reading : As visionary as he was, the starting conditions for his vision are : not met by the world today, and never have been (and probably will not : be in the forseeable future). I just got the idea : Build a Fuller dome under the rectenna. Or Build the rectenna on top or as part of a Fuller dome. Bucky would love it!!! -- Filip De Vos "Manned exploration initiatives will be difficult to afford when transporting a fidevos@eduserv.rug.ac.be single meal to the US space station will cost $15.000" Lt Col John R. London III -- Filip De Vos "Manned exploration initiatives will be difficult to afford when transporting a fidevos@eduserv.rug.ac.be single meal to the US space station will cost $15.000" Lt Col John R. London III ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:43:54 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: High Frontier In-Reply-To: <4kd4pi$s2n@infoserv.rug.ac.be>; from "Filip De Vos" at Apr 9, 96 7:49 am Filip De Vos writes: > I just got the idea : > Build a Fuller dome under the rectenna. Or Build the rectenna on top or > as part of a Fuller dome. > Bucky would love it!!! > -- > Filip De Vos "Manned exploration initiatives will be > difficult to afford when transporting a > fidevos@eduserv.rug.ac.be single meal to the US space station will > cost $15.000" > Lt Col John R. London III What is a "rectenna"? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:25:40 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: ActionVerb Organization: SBT, Inc. Subject: American Masters show To all Domeheads & Bucky fans, Our state Public Television is running a show this week about Bucky Fuller as part of the American Masters series. In Iowa, it's on Wednesday from 9:00 pm - 10:30 pm. A friend of mine in Cincinnati, OH told me about it, so it's running there too. Check your local listings. Cheers! Steve Henck A.K.A. shenck@sbt.net ActionVerb@aol.com exnihilo@cedarnet.org http://users.aol.com/ActionVerb/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:11:36 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Christopher Rywalt Organization: WestNet Internet Services Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS There is an excellent Web page, relating to the Bucky show on PBS, at http://www.wnet.org/bucky.cgi Anyone with Web access should check it out. Chris. crywalt@westnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:37:09 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ann Willmott Andersson <73004.3005@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Bucky Fuller web site & TV show Hello, Many of you already know about the film Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud and WNET's web site related to the film. In case you don't: www.wnet.org Click on the big geodesic dome! Meanwhile, I'm writing to invite all of you to visit our site and participate in the discussion forum section. You can submit questions to the filmmakers and/or start your own topics. Come by! --Ann Willmott Andersson, producer ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:16:03 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jake Johnson Organization: Texas Tech Academic Computing Services Subject: Re: A solar greenhouse In-Reply-To: <4k5qqh$o8@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu> hello...my name is jake and i'm interested in some info concerning quality architecture colleges and their tuition. anyone have any bits of knowledge or advice i would certainly appreciate it. i attend texas tech university, have not declered arch. major yet because i dont really want to stay here. the arch. college here is supposed to be very good. im interested in design and want to incorporate the arts into my architecture. i appreciate any help out there .....jake johnson-----lubbock,tx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:16:01 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: High Frontier (fwd) curtis palmer writes: > From dewey.mindlink.net!mindlink.bc.ca!curtis_palmer Tue Apr 9 12:38:00 1996 > Message-Id: > X-Sender: curtis_palmer@pop.mindlink.net > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 12:38:09 -0700 > To: Joe Moore > From: curtis palmer > Subject: Re: High Frontier > > > >What is a "rectenna"? > > > >-- > It is a receiving antenna for microwave power transmission from space. It > is used extensively in the Pheonix project, which won a design competition, > circa 1991 in Japan. The Phoenix project dealt with Carbon reduction in > the atmosphere and proposed satellite power stations to beam microwave power > to Earth. Rectennas to be placed on manmade floating atolls and in > deserts. Also much use of domes to reverse desertification. > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:10:43 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BFVI-96 Comments: cc: Synergetics List BUCKMINSTER FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE (BFVI OR BUCKY BOOKMARKS) Compiled by Joe S. Moore, Updated April 9, 1996 * = New or Changed PD = Public Domain =========================================================================== TABLE OF CONTENTS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER AGRICULTURE FTP ORGANIZATIONS FULLERENES ATMOSPHERE PATENTS GENERAL PICTURES BOOKS GEOMETRY POPULATION GLOSSARY CALENDARS QUOTES CITIES IRC CLASSES SEARCHES CLOTHING SIMULATIONS STATISTICS DEBT DEMOCRACY MAPS TRANSPORTATION DOMES MEDIA, MAGNETIC MEDICAL ENERGY, RENEWABLE MUSIC EDUCATION WATER NEWS (GROUPS, LETTERS, LISTS, MAGAZINES, UPDATES) =========================================================================== GENERAL INFORMATION: OVERVIEWS, SUMMARIES, ETC. ARTICLES, ESSAYS, ETC. (ELECTRONIC) Bucky Fuller (Article by Robert A. Wilson) http://www.nets.com/site/raw/fuller.html Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute (by Joe S. Moore) * EcoMall http://www.ecomall.com/activism/bucky2.htm * Henderson, Richard http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html Bucky's Grand Strategy (by Joe S. Moore) http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html Doing the Right Things (by Medard Gabel & Evan Frisch) * http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/doright/.www.html Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ by Chris Fearnley) * http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf/fuller-faq.html Guinea Pig "B" (from 'Inventions' by R. Buckminster Fuller) * http://www.westnet.com/~crywalt/inventions/inv_000.html World Game Article (by Robert A. Wilson) http://www.nets.com/site/raw/game.html What the World Wants...and How to Pay for It (by WGI staff) * http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/doright/wwants.html * WNET-TV (PBS Affiliated Chanel 13, New York, NY) * http://www.wnet.org/bucky.cgi DATABASES * Central Intelligence Agency (US) World Factbooks * http://www.ic.gov/ * http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/95fact/index.html * Geodesic List Monthly Logs (June 1992 to Present) * WWW http://ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu/~listserv/GEODESIC/ * Email (Command: INFO) listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Global Recall 2.0 (WGI) http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/GR.html * NASA's Mission to Planet Earth * http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/NASA_homepage.html * United Nations * http://www.undep.or.at/unlinks.html PICTURES (DIGITAL) Bucky Public Domain 1 http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/jm_gall.html Bucky Public Domain 2 http://www.newciv.org/Bucky/BuckyPics.html Planet Earth 1 http://www.nosc.mil/planet_earth/photos.html Planet Earth 2 http://www.nosc.mil/planet_earth/earth_images.html Satellite Images http://gopher.awis.auburn.edu:70/I/images/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AGRICULTURE DEFORESTATION * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/doright/ *ECOLOGY * EcoWeb http://ecosys.drdr.virginia.edu/EcoWeb.html FOOD (HUNGER) * GENI http://www.geni.org/ * HungerWeb http://www.hunger.brown.edu/hungerweb * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/doright/ NEWSGROUPS Food sci.agriculture SOIL EROSION * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/doright/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ATMOSPHERE ANIMATIONS Spherical Anims of Earth's Cloudforms (Pending; Eric J. Morris; PC?) Spherical Visions eric@pacificrim.net OZONE DEPLETION ARTICLES * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/doright/ *POLLUTION * GENI http://www.geni.org WARMING, GLOBAL ARTICLES Global Warming * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/doright/ SIMULATIONS Windows for Image (Greenhouse Effect Simulation & Analysis; IBM-PC) ME ftp://ftp.santafe.edu/pub/gmk/2050/Modeling/wim94-demo/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- BIBLIOGRAPHIES ARTICLES ABOUT RBF * List of Articles "Relevant" to RBF's Work * http://radon.gas.uug.arizona.edu/~shunter/cads.html * Richard Buckminster Fuller, Architect: 20 Yrs of Journal Reviews * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com BY RBF ? BOOKS ABOUT RBF ? BY RBF ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- BOOKS (PAPER UNLESS NOTED "D" FOR DIGITAL) * Online Academic Press Catalogs (Via Princeton) * gopher://gopher.pupress.princeton.edu/11n%3a/aaup BY BUCKY * 4D Timelock * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * And It Came to Pass--Not to Stay * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Artifacts of R.Buckminster Fuller, volumes 1-4 * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * Basic Biography (by BFI staff) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Buckminster Fuller Reader * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Cosmography: A Posthumous Scenario for the Future of Humanity * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Intertain http://intertain.com/store/welcome.html * Critical Path * A-albionic Research http://a-albionic.com * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Earth, Inc. * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Education Automation * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Grunch of Giants * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Humans in Universe * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * Ideas and Integrities * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Dave Morrison Books; used morrison@teleport.com * Intuition * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Inventions * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Nine Chains to the Moon * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * No More Second Hand God * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Operating Manual for SpaceShip Earth * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * R.Buckminster Fuller on Education * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * Synergetics (I): Explorations in the Geometry of thinking * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Tetrascroll: Goldilocks & the Three Bears * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Dave Morrison Books morrison@teleport.com * Utopia or Oblivion: The Prospects for Humanity * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi World Game:Integrative Resource Utilization Planning Tool (DIGITAL) Table of Contents (PD) http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html BY OTHERS 50 Years of Design Science Revolution & the World Game (?, ed) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Barna Leikur (Thorsteinn) (Intro by RBF) * Kingdomes http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome Basic Bucky (PD; D) (Moore) http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html Bucky: A Guided Tour of Buckminster Fuller (Kenner) Dave Morrison Books morrison@teleport.com Bucky for Beginners (Laycock) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Bucky's 100 (publication pending) (Hoberman, ed) ??? http://??????????? * BuckyWorks: Buckminster Fuller's Ideas Today (Baldwin) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * Buckminster Fuller (Pawley * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * Buckminster Fuller (Potter) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * Buckminster Fuller's Universe (Sieden) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com Buckminster Fuller: Autobiographical Monolog/Scenario (Snyder) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Dave Morrison Books morrison@teleport.com * Basic Structural Elements of Nature Workbooks (3) * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy Development Pattern of Geometric Structures (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is * Kingdomes http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller (Marks) Dave Morrison Books morrison@teleport.com Dome-It-Yourself Instruction Book (Thorsteinn) kingdome@mmedia.is * Kingdomes http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome * Dome Scrap Book (Swanson) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com EDC Booklet (163 Domes & Projects '72-92) (Thorsteinn) kingdome@mmedia.is * Kingdomes http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome * Fuller Explanation, A (Edmundson) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Geodesic and Geolatic Domes & Space Structures (Morgan) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * Geodesic Domes (Van Loon) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * Geodesic Floor Plans (Cathedralite staff) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com ? Ho-Ping: Food for Everyone (Gabel) WGI xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu * Mind's Eye of Richard Buckminster Fuller (Robertson) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com Nature's Forms (Thorsteinn) kingdome@mmedia.is * Kingdomes http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome * Networking Book, The * Networking Institute http://www.netage.com Non-Being and Somethingness (Hample) Dave Morrison Books morrison@teleport.com * Richard Buckminster Fuller, Architect: 20 Yrs of Journal Reviews (Casper) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * Spherical Models (Wenninger) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * Study of a Prototype Floating Community, A (Triton Foundation) * Nat'l Technical Info Serv http://galaxy.einet.net/hytelnet/BBS068.html *Synergetic Stew: Explorations in Dymaxion Dining (BFI staff) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com Synergetics Dictionary (Applewhite) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi World Game Map Teacher Resources Guide (staff) WGI wgi@worldgame.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CALENDARS (PAPER UNLESS NOTED OTHERWISE) 1995 Buckminster Fuller Centennial Calendar * http://www.critpath.org/bfi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CITIES (IN, ON, UNDER) AIR ? LAND ? SEA Oceania Project http://oceania.org/ SPACE NASA http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/NASA_homepage.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CLOTHING, JEWELRY, ETC. EARRINGS Celestial Orb (Design Science Toys) stuq@mhv.net KEY RINGS * Marble Globe (GENI) http://www.geni.org/ MUGS Earth from Space (Geosphere Project) http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html NECKLACES Pendant Celestial Orb (Design Science Toys) stuq@mhv.net T-SHIRTS * Global Awareness Unfolding (BFI) http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Connect the World with GENI (GENI) http://www.geni.org/ Earth From Space http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html Natural Spaces Dome Logo (NS) c/o donh@hoflin.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPUTER, ULTRA-MICRO ARTICLES ? HARDWARE Applied Synergetics (Rick Bono) http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/index.html Bono's Picture Gallery http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/rb_gall.html SOFTWARE Applied Synergetics (Rick Bono) http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEBT *National http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/doright/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEMOCRACY, ELECTRONIC *Commission on Global Governance * http://www.fsk.ethz.ch/D-REOK/fsk/cgg/cgg_home.html *Voting By Phone Foundation (Evan Ravitz) * http://www.vote.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOMES, GEODESIC ARCHITECTS, CONSULTANTS, DESIGNERS, ETC. Chu, Russell (Tensegrity Structural Systems) RCHU@aol.com Clinton International Design Consultants Joseph D. Clinton USA c/o donh@hoflin.com * Fuller & Sadao, PC USA c/o EdApple@aol.com * Fuller, Sadao & Zung USA c/o EdApple@aol.com * Thorsteinn, Einar, DI ICELAND kingdome@mmedia.is Kingdomes Home Page http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome/ EXAMPLES (PICTURES, TEXT, ETC.) Araki, Yoshiaki (Synergetics Institute, Japan) * Pine Dome Project http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/ Birth of the Geodesic Dome--How Bucky Did It (Lloyd Seiden) * http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/ * Bloedel Floral Conservatory Dome (Vancouver, BC, Canada) * http://www.sutton.com/1stwest/tour/attractions.html * Butts-Mehre Heritage Hall Dome (Athens, GA, USA) * http://www.grady.uga.edu/megalabinc/athensvenueguide/buttsmear.html * Caravan of Dreams Rooftop Grotto Bar and Cactus Garden Dome * Ft.Worth, TX, USA http://www.fortworth.com/pressrel.htm * Casa Manana Theater Dome (Fort Worth, TX, USA) * http://www.cityview.com/fortworth/theaters.html * Climatron Dome in the Missouri Botanical Gardens, St.Louis, MO * http://www2.ncsu.edu/ncsu/design/pictures/large/PLZ.00008.JPG * http://www.inlink.com/~jbhicks/stl_must_see.html * DeMoor Winery Dome (Napa valley, CA, USA) http://www.freerun.com/napavalley/winetxt/demoor/demhist.html Dickson, Stewart (Geometry & Geodesic Domes) * http://mathsource.wri.com/~mathart/portfolio/ * Dinosaur State Park Dome (Tolland, CT, USA) * http://www.highridge.com/village/cattract.htm * DOME magazine (Paper, Don Hoflin, ed, Quarterly, CO, USA) * Miscellaneous Reprints http://www.hoflin.com Domes in Australia (Victoria Laurie) http://www.iinet.com.au/~mktrecom/corringe/wilja.html Earthquake in Japan (Yoshiaki Araki) http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/disaster.html * Expo '86 Dome Info * http://www.scienceworld.bc.ca/HISTORY.HTML * Ferrocement Domes in India * http://wings.buffalo.edu/publications/reporter/vol25/vol25n12/9a.txt * Fly's Eye Dome Model * http://www.prysm.net/nightlife/Fly'sEye.GIF * Free, Bob * http://www.graphcomp.com/home/bfree/arch/domes.html Geary, Carol Stained Glass Dome http://sunsite.unc.edu/otis/pers/Geary_C.html * Howard Auditorium Dome (Oral Roberts U, Tulsa, OK, USA) * http://www.oru.edu/campus/howard.html * Polymedia Performance Space Dome (Sidney, Australia) * http://online.anu.edu.au/ITA/ACAT/drw/Articles/TheDome/TheDome.html * Rhodes College Dome (Memphis, TN, USA) * http://gray.music.rhodes.edu/scenes.html * Rywalt, Chris * Miscellaneous http://www.westnet.com/~crywalt/photos/photos.html * Science World Dome (Expo '86; Vancouver, BC, Canada) * http://www.scienceworld.bc.ca/HISTORY.HTML Siqueira, Rodrigo (Tensegrities pics & text) * http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/ * South Pole Dome (U.S. Headquarters, Antarctia) * http://www.sjmercury.com/features/archives/intl2.htm * Sudbury Neutrino Observatory (SNO) * http://snodaq.phy.queensu.ca/SNO/sno.html Wright, Vedder Plastic Fork Dome http://world.std.com/~vwright/hobbies.html MANUFACTURERS, DEALERS, ETC. Aluminum Geodesic Spheres (AGS) USA c/o donh@hoflin.com * Antennas for Communications (AFC) USA * http://www.ocala.com/afc American Ingenuity, Inc. U.S.A. c/o donh@hoflin.com * Canadian Space Services Ltd. CANADA * http://www.magi.com/~css/ * Dome Technology Co. USA * http://www.netib.com/manufacturing/dome/page1.html * Domespace Co. (BMI) USA * http://www.branch.com/dome/dome.html * Econ-O-Dome Domekits@aol.com * Envisioneering CANADA * http://www.ottawa.net/~envision GeoDomes Woodworks USA c/o donh@hoflin.com * Growing Spaces USA * http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/growing-spaces Hexadome of America, Inc. USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Key Dome USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Kingdomes USA * http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome * http://www.olworld.com/olworld/mall/mall_us/c_misc/m_kingdo/index.html * L.L.Bean Geodesic Backcountry Tents * http://www.llbean.com/products/wintercamping/WJ48-2/ * Lundahl Scientific USA * http://snake.srv.net/~que/index.html * http://beep.roadrunner.com/~lundahl/ Monolithic Constructors, Inc. USA * http://www.connect.net/monolith Natural Spaces, Inc. USA c/o donh@hoflin.com * Oregon Domes, Inc. USA * http://www.domes.com * Shelter Systems USA * http://www.shelter-systems.com Timberline Geodesics USA TLineDomes@aol.com * Thomas Register of American Manufacturers * http://www.thomasregister.com * Wilderness Furnishings * Dome Tents USA http://www.wildfur.com/Tents/ MODELS 1 2 3 4 Sphere Kit (21") by A.G.S. Products * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * BuckyBall Kit (C-60) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Mondotronics mondo@mondo.com * C-60 Model (by A.G.S. Products) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Dome Kit I * Pitsco http://www.usa.net/~pitsco/pitsco/t20/domekit.html * Geodesic Sphere & Dome Kit (3') * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Geomorph 12 * Binary Arts Corp http://www.puzzles.com Glitter Globes (Karl Schmidt) * Transtronics http://www.xtronics.com/ggkit.htm * Hoberman Sphere * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Design Science Toys stuq@mhv.net Kingdome Models (5) by Einar Thorsteinn * http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome Synergy Ball (Pat Salsbury Designer) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Design Science Toys stuq@mhv.net TensegriToy (by Tensegrity Systems) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Design Science Toys stuq@mhv.net * Online Enterprises http://www.lon.com * Zometool * Biocrystal, Inc. http://mathart.com/ZomeTool/ZomeTool_home.html NEWSGROUPS Architecture alt.architecture.alternative SOFTWARE * DOME (Rick Bono) * http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/html/domes.html ftp://ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/bin/dome350.zip Dome Data Generator (Andy Wardley) ftp://ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/povray/utilities/geodome.zip Dome Generator avalon.chinalake.navy.mil/pub/utils/misc/geodesic_obj.uue Geodome (Software, Pics and Text) * http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/ * STRUCK (Gerald de Jong) * http://www.xs4all.nl/~gdi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDUCATION CLASSES, COURCES, LECTURES Dome (Natural Spaces, Inc.) c/o donh@hoflin.com Kingdome Correspondence Course kingdome@mmedia.is CURRICULA Project Synergy (Gerry Segal) GERRY@BNK2.BNKST.EDU EVENTS * Buckminster Fuller Institute http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Global Energy Network International http://www.geni.org/ * Museums, Galleries, Etc. * http://www.artincontext.com/listings/pages/artist/j/3gsaj02j/exhib.htm * National Public Radio http://www.npr.org/ * Public Broadcasting System (TV) http://www.pbs.org/ * WNET (New York) http://www.wnet.org/ * World Game Institute http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/workshops ILLITERACY * WGI http://www.worldgame org/~wgi/doright/ WORKSHOPS (WGI) * Corporate http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/corp/ * Diversity http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/workshops Energy ????????? * Environmental http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/workshops * K-12 School http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/workshops * World Issues http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/workshops ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ENERGY, RENEWABLE DISTRIBUTION (GLOBAL ENERGY GRID) ANIMATIONS Global Electrical Grid (10 min; IBM-PC Compatible; Russell D. Hoffman) * GENI geni@cerfnet.com Compuserve (Keyword: ANISOFT) ( VGA) GENI_VGA.ZIP (Keyword: ANISOFT) (SVGA) GENI.ZIP America On-Line (Keyword: ANIMATED SOFTWARE) ( VGA) GENI_VGA.ZIP (Keyword: ANIMATED SOFTWARE) (SVGA) GENI.ZIP ESSAYS/ARTICLES The Global Energy Grid * Robert Anton Wilson http://www.nets.com/site/raw/grids.html * World Game Institute) http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/doright/ The GENI Model: The Interconnection of Global Power Resources to Obtain an Optimal Global Sustainable Energy Solution (Dekker, Meisen & Bruton) * http://www.geni.org/ EFFICIENCY ??????? ARTICLES Energy Efficiency * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/doright/ NEWSGROUPS General sci.energy Renewable alt.energy.renewable * Solar alt.solar.thermal PRODUCTION ? STORAGE ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL (FTP) DOWNLOAD & UPLOAD SITES Critical Path Project (UL) cpp.critpath.org/incoming/ New Civilization Network (DL) ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/ New Civilization Network (DL) ftp.newciv.org/pub/Synergetic_Geometry/ New Civilization Network (UL) ftp.newciv.org/incoming/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/bin/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/docs/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/images/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (DL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/movies/ Synergetics-on-the-Web (UL) ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/in.coming/ * Wardley, Andy (DL) ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/povray/HALL_OF_FAME/geodome.gif * Wardley, Andy (DL) ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/povray/HALL_OF_FAME/geodome.jpg * Wardley, Andy (DL) ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/povray/HALL_OF_FAME/geosmall.gif ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- FULLERENES ANIMATIONS Carbon-60 http://chem-www.mps.ohio-state.edu/~lars/moviegif/ex6.mpg *BIBLIOGRAPHY * UCLA http://www.chem.ucla.edu/chempointers.html MODELS Bucky Ball Carbon-60 Molecule (Mondo-Tronics) * http://www.critpath.org/bfi Bucky Ball Carbon-60 Molecule (Mondo-Tronics) mondo@mondo.com One-Piece Carbon-60 Sphere (A.G.S. Products) * http://www.critpath.org/bfi PICTURES Fullerene Structure Library (USA) http://sbchm1.sunysb.edu/msl/fullerene.html Mitshuho Yoshida's Fullerene Gallery (JAPAN) * http://cochem2.tutkie.tut.ac.jp:8000/member/yoshida/fuller/Fuller.html SUNY-Stony Brook University (USA) http://buckminster.physics.sunysb.edu/ Sussex University (ENGLAND) http://www.susx.ac.uk/Users/kroto/fullgallery.html TEXTS Buckyball: An Excruciatingly Researched Report (Rodrigo Siqueira) * http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/ UPDATE SERVICES (AUTOMATED E-MAIL) Articles (Body: "help") bucky@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu News http://www.physik.uni-oldenburg.de/bucky/htmls/bucky.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- GEOMETRY, SYNERGETICS DATABASES, POLYHEDRA Index Page http://www.netlib.org/polyhedra/index.html GENERAL * Grey, Robert Robert W. Gray http://vivanet.com/~rwgray9/graypg2.html Synergetics-on-the-Web (Kirby Urner) Home Page http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html Art Gallery Index http://www teleport.com/~pdx4d/ftp/artindex.html MODELS Celestial Orb by stuq@mhv.net Cubocta-Flex (Stuart Quimby) by stuq@mhv.net Dodeca by stuq@mhv.net Dodeca-Flex by stuq@mhv.net FeeBee/WeeBee by stuq@mhv.net Flex-Star-3 by Orb Factory stuq@mhv.net Flex-Star-4 by Orb Factory stuq@mhv.net Flex-Star-6 by Orb Factory stuq@mhv.net Icosa-Flex by Orb Factory stuq@mhv.net * Jitterbug * Online Enterprises http://www.lon.com OctaBug * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Design Science Toys stuq@mhv.net PolyGonzo by stuq@mhv.net Quad-Rhom by stuq@mhv.net Quix-I by Orb Factory stuq@mhv.net Quix-II by Orb Factory stuq@mhv.net Rhoma by stuq@mhv.net RhomBlocks by stuq@mhv.net Roger's Connection * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Design Science Toys stuq@mhv.net Stik-Trix by stuq@mhv.net Tetra-Star-8 by Orb Factory stuq@mhv.net Turn-About by ? stuq@mhv.net Vector Flexor (VE) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi VectorSphere-I by Orb Factory stuq@mhv.net VectorSphere-II by Orb Factory stuq@mhv.net VexaHedron by ? stuq@mhv.net MOVIES (ANIMATIONS) Hawkins, Richard Synergetics Movies http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/ PICTURES De Jong, Gerald Gallery http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/gdj_gall.html Fearnley, Chris Gallery http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/cf_gall.html Getty, Tom Polyhedra http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tgettys/poly.html Hart, George Pavilion of Polyhedreality http://www.li.net/~george/pavilion.html Hawkins, Richard Synergetics Pics http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/ Plank, Jim _ http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/pics/origami/keleido-pics/pics.html Origami http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/pics/origami/origami.html Urner, Kirby Polyhedra http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ku_gall.html SOFTWARE * DOME (Rick Bono) * http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/ Geometry Center (Univ. of Minnesota) software@geom.umn.edu Geometry Forum http://forum.swarthmore.edu/ Geomview 1.1 (3mb) ftp://geom.umn.edu/pubgeomview/geomview-bin.tar.Z Miscellaneous http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/sw_gall.html PolyWog 3-D Modeling program by Elizabeth Kommit chao@CRL.COM * STRUCK (Gerald de Jong) * http://www.xs4all.nl/~gdi TEXTS Essay on Synergetics (Gerald De Jong) * http://www.xs4all.nl/~gdj/synerget.html Comments About the Book 'Synergetics' * http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- GLOSSARY Bucky Glossary http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC) Discussion of Fuller's Ideas (Sundays) /join #geodesic Discussion of Synergetics Modeling (Sundays) /join #struck ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAPS, GLOBES, ETC. *ARTICLES (PAPER) A New World Map for a New World Order * WGI wgi@worldgame.org CARDS (PAPER) GREETING * BFI (4" x 8") http://www.critpath.org/bfi POSTCARDS SpaceShip Earth World Map (Color; 5.5" x 3.5") * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi CHARTS Star http://galaxy.einet.net/mall/Jill-Swift/geodome.html GLOBES FOLD-UP (PAPERBOARD) Dymaxion Sky-Ocean (5.5"diam; Color w/Population; S.S.Earth ed.) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Fuller Projection (5.5"diam; Color) * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/ Dymaxion Globe (6.0"diam; 4-Color) * GENI http://www.geni.org/ INFLATABLE-NONINFLATABLE EarthBall (??" x ??"; Satellite Images; Morris) Spherical Visions eric@pacificrim.net * Geodesic Globe * Online Enterprises http://www.lon.com POP-UP (PAPERBOARD) Earth from Space (5"diam; Color) GeoSphere http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html MAPS CLASSROOM (PAPER) (12' x 26' Vinyl-Covered) * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi GYMNASIUM (35' x 70' Vinyl-Covered) * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi OUTLINE (PAPER) ( 3' x 6' Laminate) * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi PLAYGROUND (31' x 65' Stencil) * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi WALL (PAPER) 34" x 22" Color Raleigh Edition * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi 35" x 22" Grip-Kitrick Edition * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi 38" x 23" Color Donnelley Edition * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * ??" x ??" Satellite Photo Mosaic (Paper) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * WorldSat International (Digital) worldsat@geomatics.com * For additional info see Robert W. Gray http://vivanet.com/~rwgray9/ *PICTURES (DIGITAL) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * COLLECTIONS * PCL Map Collection http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/Map_collection.html POSTERS (PAPER) Dymaxion Map with Global Energy Grid (34" x 22"; 4-Color) * GENI http://www.geni.org/ Geosphere (Six Global Views: 24" x 36") GeoSphere Project http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geospher.html PROJECTS GeoSphere Project (Tom van Sant) http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geospher.html PUZZLES * Dymaxion World Map (Wood; Color; ??" x ??") Pacific Puzzles * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi SOFTWARE MAPS Global Recall 2.0 (Countries, World) * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/GRMaps.html ANIMATIONS (MOVIES) Spherical Anims of Earth's Cloudforms (Pending; Morris; PC?) Spherical Visions eric@pacificrim.net * Unfolding Globe (Chris Rywalt) * http://www.westnet.com/~crywalt/unfold.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MEDIA, MAGNETIC COMPACT DISKS (CD'S) Introduction to Bucky Fuller (Pending) Blaine D'Amico damico@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu * World Game (Pending) wgi@worldgame.org DISKS FLOPPIES * Global Recall 2.0 http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi HARD, REMOVABLE CARTRIDGES ? TAPES AUDIOTAPES (BY RBF UNLESS NOTED OTHERWISE) Around the Universe in 90 Minutes (90 min) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * New Dimensions http://www.newdimensions.org * Artifacts of B.Fuller by Applewhite, et al (?? min) * SOUNDPRINT http://soundprint.brandywine.american.edu * B.Fuller: A Primer Conversation (?? min) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * New Dimensions http://www.newdimensions.org * B.Fuller Mini-Festival by Pacifica Radio (127 min) * Pacifica Radio Archives http://www.pacifica.org * B.Fuller on Spaceship Earth (video soundtrack) (55 min) * Pacifica Radio Archives http://www.pacifica.org * B.Fuller on Synergetics (54 min) * Pacifica Radio Archives http://www.pacifica.org * B.Fuller: The 50 Year Experiment (90 min) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * New Dimensions http://www.newdimensions.org * Conversations with Bucky (60 min) * New Dimensions http://www.newdimensions.org * Everything I Know ("All I Know" videotapes soundtracks) (41 hrs) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Is There Enough to Go Around? (60 min) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * New Dimensions http://www.newdimensions.org * Outstairs and Instairs (34 min) * Pacifica Radio Archives http://www.pacifica.org * Progress Through Fear (39 min) * Pacifica Radio Archives http://www.pacifica.org * Rearranging the Scenery (53 min) * Pacifica Radio Archives http://www.pacifica.org * Revolution in Design, A (57 min) ppspacific@igc.apc.org * Pacifica Radio Archives http://www.pacifica.org * Vietnam War, B.Fuller & Earth Resources by Cage & Feldman (58 min) * Pacifica Radio Archives http://www.pacifica.org COMPUTER TAPES ? VIDEOTAPES * All I Know (2,450 min; 41 hrs) bfi@aol.com * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi/ * A Win-Win Solution (15 min) geni@cerfnet.com * GENI http://www.geni.org/ * Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud (92min) * WNET http://www.wnet.org Dome-It-Yourself (45 min) kingdome@mmedia.is * Kingdomes http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome Dymaxion Lab:Experiment in Individual Initiative (?? min) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Dymaxion Lab: What Individual Can Do (60 min) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Ecological Design: Inventing the Future (?? min) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi * Explore the Great Indoors (10 min) * Timberline Geodesics TLineDomes@aol.com Modeling the Universe (15 min) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * Race to Catch a Buckyball (60) WGBH http://www.wgbh.org Selected Ideas of Buckminster Fuller (PD) (55 min) * GENI http://www.geni.org/ What If...A New Global Option (15 min) * GENI http://www.geni.org/ * World Game (10 min) * WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi World of Buckminster Fuller (90 min) * AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi * World Population Growth: 1000 BC-1965 AD (3 min) * BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MEDICAL AIDS Aids (Icosa Virus Pics) http://www.bocklabs.wisc.edu/virusviz.html HEALTH * Health Care http://www.worldgame/~wgi/doright/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MUSIC ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEWS FILTERING SERVICES NetNews Filtering Server (Body: "help") netnews@db.stanford.edu NEWSGROUPS ENERGY Energy sci.energy Energy, Renewable alt.energy.renewable Solar alt.solar.thermal FOOD Agriculture sci.agriculture GENERAL R.B.Fuller (Geodesic List Gateway) bit.listserv.geodesic HOUSING Housing alt.architecture.alternative POPULATION * GENI http://www.geni.org/ SYSTEMS Global alt.earth.system.science TRANSPORTATION ? 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LAND Mass Transit ? SEA Submarines ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WATER * Acid Rain http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/doright * Drinking http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi/doright ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:14:38 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Sleepless in Amherst Organization: Hampshire College, Amherst MA Subject: Re: A solar greenhouse It's a tough field out there, trying to get into architecture schools, Jake. It's more difficult even since I started college, I noticed... (I'm trying to get back into architecture school after having left for (OH NO!) a liberal arts education, but having no success...applied to five schools been rejected by four so far). As far as cost...it depends where you go. If you go to a state school, it will be less than at a private school like Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Columbia, or similar. As far as the arts are concerned...architecture is an art. Just remember that, and you should be OK. 8) Vince ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:21:56 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jan Lamprecht Organization: Internet Africa Subject: Refraction of light in Geodesy..... Is this Newsgroup about geodesy? I have a question: At what stage in the development of geodesy did the scientists begin to take the refraction of light into account when measuring their own latitude and longditude? I'm thinking especially of the early days when people were still trying to determine the length of a degree and they did their first triangulations of France, etc. Kindly reply by e-mail. Cheers, Jan... * Ignorant people think it's the noise which fighting cats make that is aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening grammar they use. (Mark Twain) * No one's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. (Mark Twain) * What do politicians and porn stars have in common? They're both experts at changing positions in front of the camera. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:17:00 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Burginger Subject: syn-l: NEW MEMBER WEB SITE! Comments: cc: Synergetics List After much encouragement from Richard Hawkins,... I would like to introduce myself and my work. I am posting a new web page http://www.electriciti.com/balloon/modular.html This page will concentrate on a unique approach to modular geometry. The Modular Form Building Element is explored in detail with an Adobe Acrobat file which can be downloaded from the site. Please excuse the size, I will work at trimming it down. I have been a subscriber to this list for several months and I enjoy it very much. Yes, I have been STRUCK! I am still working on learning it. Thank you Mark Burginger balloon@electriciti.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:22:02 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: A solar cabin A friend writes: >I am interested in your solar closet for home heating and water heating. Good... >I have a vacation cabin in East Tennessee that I will eventually retire to. Well, I see from the NREL _Solar Radiation Data Manual for Buildings_ (http://rredc.nrel.gov) that Knoxville gets 940 Btu/ft^2/day of sun on a south wall on an average day in December, the average 24 hour outdoor temperature is 40 F, and the average daytime temp is 50 F. Sounds like a pretty good climate for solar heating... Microclimate could matter a lot near the Smokies. I camped outdoors on Mt LaConte once, with a bear huffing and puffing around my sleeping bag at 3 AM :-) Is there a lot of fog around your cabin? Are there lots of bears? What's the south wall look like? Is it shaded much by trees, etc.? Do you have a south porch you could enclose, or could you add a lean-to sunspace? With a reflecting pond in front of the sunspace? >It is 970 square feet and is presently heated by two 110VAC in the wall >strip heaters and a wood stove. Can you guess how much fuel it might use per year if it were occupied all the time? A cord of wood is something like 100 gallons of oil or 3000 kWh of electrical energy or 100 ft^2 of south glazing over a winter. How well is the cabin insulated? Can you make it fairly airtight? A square cabin that size might have about 1000 ft^2 of ceiling and 1000 ft^2 of walls. With R11 insulation (fiberglass in a 2x4 wall), the thermal conductance might be about 2000 ft^2/R11 = 180 Btu/hr/degree F, so on an average 40 F day in December it would need about 24 hours (70F - 40 F) 180 = 130 K Btu/day to keep it at 70 F inside. Water heating for 3 showers a day, each lasting 10 minutes at 3 gpm, would need another 3 x 10 min x 3 gpm x 8 lb/gal x (110F - 60F) = 36K Btu/day, so the house total might be 170K Btu/day, not counting internal heat gain from electrical consumption. Where you are, a square foot of sunspace with no reflecting pond might gain 865 Btu/day and lose 6 hours (80F - 50F) 1 ft^2/R1 = 180 Btu/day, for a net gain of 700 Btu/ft^2/day, so to provide a total of 170K Btu/day, you might need 170K/700 = 240 ft^2 of sunspace, ie a sunspace running the length of the south wall, 30' long x 8' tall. It might be some very clear single-layer polycarbonate glazing that comes in rolls 4' wide, attached to 8' 2x4s or 12' 2 x 6s leaning against the cabin wall. Or a steep south polycarbonate roof. Or... some very clear long lasting mylar film (eventually), starting out now with polyethylene film, which costs about 4 cents/ft^2, and has a 3 year guarantee and comes in very wide rolls and can be replaced like a large bedsheet and recycled every three years, less often perhaps if the sunspace is covered with greenhouse shadecloth in the summer. This might be a curved sunspace, with the film stretched over galvanized pipes. It could be very large and inexpensive, less than $1 per square foot. How does that sound? Behind or inside that, you might store heat for 5 days without sun in a small insulated room, ie a solar closet storing 5 days x 170K = 850K Btu of heat. A gallon of water at 130 F stores useful house heat until the water reaches 80 F or so, ie (130-80) 8 lb/gal = 400 Btu of house heat. So you might have 850K/400 = 2000 gallons of water in your solar closet, in the form of 40 55 gallon plastic drums stacked up 2 high and 2 deep in a row 20' long, ie a solar closet that is roughly 4' deep x 20' long x 8' tall. Or you might use 400 5 gallon plastic pails with lids, sitting on shelves made from cement blocks and boards. If it turns out you don't need that much thermal mass, you could put something else on the shelves. For water heating, it might be good to have two sections of closet at different temperatures, with the hotter section better-insulated and used as a last resort for house heating, and the cooler one containing the section of fin-tube pipe loop with the cold water input. You might have an electric water heater in the closet with a small circulating pump, or a small fan powered by a PV panel in the sunspace, drawing air down from the ceiling and pushing it out the bottom of a 4' wide, 4" thick duct built onto an inside wall, past 8' of fin-tube along the duct bottom, in a U-shape. A better place for an electric water heater (whose heating element almost never turns on) might be on the floor above, so it could use a natural warm water convection loop. I wonder if you have any sort of attic above the south wall, or you would like to make a small sunspace up there... The solar closet glazing inside the sunspace glazing might have an area of 8' x 20', a little more than half of the sunspace glazing. An ASCII picture from above: <-- old | new --> 30' 4' ........................................... . . . . . . . . . . . refl . . .SC . surf? . . . . . . . . .20' . . . . . . . . .30' South --> . existing cabin . . SS . . . . . . . ..... . reflective . . . surface? . . . . . . . . . 12' . ........................................... . . . . <-- old | new --> Or perhaps like this? | 8' | 8' | 8-16'? straw wall? -- ................. . . . . s . s. . t . t. refl . . | r . SC r. surf? . 16' a . a. . | w .......w. . . ? . ?. s . . sauna . u . reflective ............................... n . surface? . South --> . 30' . s . . . p . . . a . . 30' 16'. c . . . . e . . . . . . . . existing cabin ......... . . . . . . 8' . . These pictures make more . . sense when viewed in a . . non-proportional font . . like courier... . . ............................... If your existing cabin has little thermal mass, you might want to add some, because it would be nice (but not necessary) if the cabin could get through an average December night with no help from the solar closet. Is 55F at night OK? Starting at 75 F at dusk, your cabin might need 18/24 x 130K = 100K Btu to keep warm until dawn, ie 100K Btu = (75-65) M, where M is the number of pounds of water in the house, so here, M = 5000. That's a lot of water... 10 more 55 gallon drums sprinkled around the house, or another 110 5 gallon pails here and there :-) Perhaps the solar closet should provide some overnight heat in this case, or the cabin should have more insulation. At any rate, you see how this works. The sunspace and solar closet and cabin thermal mass could be smaller if the cabin were better insulated. Half the size with R22 insulation, a third as big with R40, I guess. Surround the cabin with strawbale/mortar walls? >If you are interested in designing a solar >closet for my cabin please let me know what you would charge. Hey, I just did it, free :-) Let me know how it works! Would you like me to help you build it in May, August or September? Send me a sketch if you like, or let me know if you would like to talk about modifications or if you have questions. I could check out a specific design with a simulation using 30 years of Knoxville hourly weather data, if a certain physics student or professor would get that data off a CD-ROM. We would really like to see this technique tried out on a larger scale than our 2x4x8' outdoor test box... Nick Nicholson L. Pine System design and consulting Pine Associates, Ltd. (610) 489-0545 821 Collegeville Road Fax: (610) 489-7057 Collegeville, PA 19426 Email: nick@ece.vill.edu Microprocessor hardware, memory, ASIC, and computer design. Telecommunication system design. Computer simulation and modeling. High performance, low cost, residential solar heating and cogeneration system design. BSEE, MSEE. Senior Member, IEEE. Registered US Patent Agent. Fluent in French. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:40:36 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Robert A. Hettinga" Organization: e$ Subject: Re: High Frontier In article <9604090843.aa18619@bbs.cruzio.com>, Joe Moore wrote: | What is a "rectenna"? Rectifying antenna. It's what you receive microwaves from a solar power satellite with. Cheers, Bob Hettinga -- Robert Hettinga e$ 44 Farquhar Street Boston, MA 02131 The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:59:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Bucky film makers request: fax newspaper reviews Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com I'm posting this to Bucky web sites but also via email. Kirk Simon is one of the film makers. He'd like us to send reviews. This may result in massive redundancy and an overheated fax machine -- or a small trickle of faxes. We shall see. Kirby >Subject: Buckminster Fuller: Thinking OUt Loud > >Kirby - > >Hope you are well. We are very curious to see reviews of the film from the >newspapers around the country. Is there a way for you to post a request at >the Bucky sites for people to fax reviews from their local papers to us at >212/721-0922? (We are grant funded and can't afford a clipping service...) > >Thanks a million > >Kirk > ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:03:17 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Butterfly Organization: Evolutionary Acceleration, Inc. Subject: Space launches from sea. (Magazine article) There's an interesting article in a recent (March/April '96) issue of Popluar Science which talks about the SeaLaunch Corporation. Their plan is to bring spacecraft/rockets out to sea and launch them from the decks of sea-based ships. They want to do the launches from the equator, to take advantage of the earth's spin to assist in the launch. It's just a short blurb, but interesting. Those of you who've been on the list for a long time might remember our discussions of floating cities 4-5 years ago. One idea was that of locating a city on the equator to act as a spaceport. :) Interested parties may want to read my paper on Floating Cities. You can get it via my public-files automailer. Instructions are in my .sig, below. -- Pat _____________________________Think For Yourself______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury Web: http://seneca.sco.com/pat.html Mail with "send-file-info-please" in subject line to get my public-files list. ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:13:20 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Cook Subject: Thinking Out Loud:A Response Greetings everyone--I haven't been active on the list for quite sometime, but I simply had to share some of my impressions of the long-awaited Thinking Out Loud piece broadcast on PBS just hours ago. For me it was great to see again several special teachers in my life as well as other interesting people who I met along the way and who were, in one way or another, a part of Bucky's life. Second, there was a wealth of good film documentation of Bucky's evolution as an inventor/developer despite the lopsided coverage of his business failures. But where was reference to his synergetics work and its connections to establishment science? (The two letters between Fuller and Einstein would have helped--even the correspondance of geodesics to protozoa and virus strucures) Where was the synthesis of his work and its message and meaning to all of us now and into the future? Finally where was disclosure of his deep faith and source of support from the Universe. The last time I saw Bucky was at the National Dome Builders Association Meeting in Tucson in April 1983. He said at that time that he couldn't have possibly led the life he did without a deep faith in God and deep sense of love and purpose in what he was doing. Though the producers showed glimpses into how he infected people (particularly in the late sixties/early seventies) with that wonderful purpose of everyone in the world having a good and "regenerative" life support system, there was not enough! Ed Schlossberg was shown saying how some people's lives changed as a result of being around him. But there was not enough of looking into that. Above all, Bucky was a great teacher and a 20th century model of creativity at work. Bob Cook bcook@pimacc.pima.edu Development Center for Appropriate Technology P.O. Box 41144 Tucson AZ 85717 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:08:03 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Filip De Vos Organization: University of Ghent, Belgium Subject: Re: High Frontier Joe Moore (joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM) wrote: : Filip De Vos writes: : > I just got the idea : : > Build a Fuller dome under the rectenna. Or Build the rectenna on top or : > as part of a Fuller dome. : > Bucky would love it!!! : > -- : > Filip De Vos "Manned exploration initiatives will be : > difficult to afford when transporting a : > fidevos@eduserv.rug.ac.be single meal to the US space station will : > cost $15.000" : > Lt Col John R. London III : What is a "rectenna"? check out O'Neill, Gerald K. The High Frontier Human Colonies in Space ISBN 0-9622379-0-6 Space Studies Institute Press 1989 First published in 1976 The concept is that of giant 5GW Solar Power Satelites, built with Lunar Materials. They beam their energy down to earth onto a rectenna. Rectenna = rectifier/antenna This transforms the microwaves into electricity for the grid. They take the form of rows of inclined frames filled with chickenwire, over a really big surface, 9 by 15 km. In O'Neill's idyllic vision, cows could graze under the installation, because very little microwave leaks through the rectenna. I think building an integral megastructure is more synergistic. Alternatively, we could build the whole thing floating in the sea. Maybe a bit big for a Fuller dome, but maybe the intensity of the beam can be increased. -- Filip De Vos "Manned exploration initiatives will be difficult to afford when transporting a fidevos@eduserv.rug.ac.be single meal to the US space station will cost $15.000" Lt Col John R. London III ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:28:30 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Subject: Thinking Out Loud Just adding my wavelet to the series of ripples: 1) Did Bucky write any books? You would never know it from the PBS show. Oh sure, they managed to promo their own video at 39.95 but did not mention a single Bucky title for the interested viewer. 2) Two words were conspicuously absent - synergetics and tensegrity. It's bad enough to do a bio that fails to mention the book that is widely considered to be the culmination of the man's life work, but to fail to even utter the name of the "design science" that he created is unbelievable. 3) What the heck is a "dymaxion"? Did I miss it, or was the word never defined for the audience as "dynamic maximum tension"? 4) Cage's chuckle - One very positive moment was the warm chuckle from Mr. Cage at the mention of Bucky's name. When I first started to circulate the Synergetic Atomic Model, I was met with almost universal scorn and derision. Anyone willing to discuss it told me that I was trying to do the impossible - despite the fact that I was doing it. The mention of Bucky's name not only did not engender interest in my work as an extension and application of his but drew even more derision. Except for IBM Watson Labs. When I told the person there about my work and its relation to Bucky, I heard that same warm chuckle as I did last night. He said, "Bucky, the guy with the geodesic domes," and laughed warmly again. Only IBM was willing to consider what I was working on. And prior to their reorganization, they were still considering it. That one chuckle brought back the memory of their kind and thoughtful response. 5) This film would make a nice background source for a college course based on Synergetics I & II and Critical Path. As a Bucky fan of the generation that will never meet him, it was nice to see the old footage and hear interviews with those who were there. The Second Century Club I graduated college in 1983, the year Bucky died, with a degree in Economics. My professors were actively teaching the fundamental rule of supply and demand economics - scarcity. Thomas Malthus was assigned reading and considered to be fully accurate. Bucky had an honorary degree from my school, Villanova University. He had an office at UPenn just up the road. But the impact of his work was just beginning to be felt. Synergetics I & II and Critical Path were published in the last ten years of Bucky's life. It took me five years to get through Synergetics II with an understanding of its implications. My point is that Bucky's life was just the beginning - it is the next hundred years that will either finish the job or finish us off. So let us take heart, it should neither surprise nor dismay that the bio of Bucky was so woefully inadequate in addressing synergetics and the design science revolution. It was a movie about a man. For those of us who will never meet him, it was a taste of what he was like and how hard his life was. Turning synergetics into a science and moving forward with the design revolution is up to us. Sincerely, Steven Lee Combs Syncorswim, Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:51:50 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leo Elliott Subject: Re: [Fwd: Your Bio-conversion article] (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:08:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Leo Elliott To: Jim McNelly Subject: Re: [Fwd: Your Bio-conversion article] Yow! The closer about Easter Island (and our not changing until we approach their levels [have you seen _Rapa-Nui_ yet, or did we watch that here?] really rang a bell, as I've been having the same gongs go off in my study of ancient Egyptian culture, prior to our vacation there this fall. Perhaps we have let commerce itself, or consumption, become its own end, with the computer replacing the pyramid as the sacred symbol for us to die inside of (as we used the automobile up to now). Did you see the PBS special on Bucky? I was of course brought to near tears more than a few times with the power of the man's belief -- in fact, one of the interviewees (some architect I believe) referred to him as "the last of the great believers", since we obviously, in this postmodern era, don't believe in anything anymore. However, I was most struck by the comments of Hugh Kenner (my favorite of RBF's biographers, and who looked like he has suffered a stroke), who said quite candidly that he thought that sinc about 1980 or so, or since Bucky reached his 80s, he began to realize that his plans to revolutionize the world via domes, etc., were not really going to come about, and that he then began to concentrate more on simply "preaching the gospel" of the design process itself. This observation would seem to be born out by the focus of his last few books (Critical Path, Grunch of Giants, et al.), and would seem to reiterate Mr. Mertus(?) points about how the "real revolution", if there is to be one, must focus more on the economic system than the ecological one per se; iow, if, as Bucky hypothesized, there is "more than enough to go around" for everyone to live life at a level far superior to any Pharoah, etc., then this condition must have been true throughout all human history -- only recently have we amassed the data to "prove" this rationally, and only recently have we acquired the technology to re-distribute resources on a scale that would enable the kind of living standards Bucky envisoned. Therefore, if the above argument is valid, it would seem that "the problem" is with the values built into the economic system, not only those Malthusian assumptions of scarcity which Bucky thought he disproved, but moreso the notion that there are serfs and peons and general under-classes of people who "by nature" are not capable of higher standards, etc. (back to the UB's "degenerate stocks"?). And in this case, the basic issue becomes one of distribution of resources like housing -- relying as much as possible, as Bucky would have it, on local resources, but allowing for what he also thought, at least earlier on, would be the inevitable "centralizing of industry" and mass production of housing components, e.g., to then be distributed worldwide. If this is so, then the problem becomes not that we lack or could not easily create or convert our current manufacturing processes to mass- produce geodesic housing components, but that no one feels drawn to do so because no one really feels there's any profit to be made by doing so. And the shift from the standards of the 8-foot 2x4 and the 4x8 sheet of plywood to precisely calculated and cut dome struts simply will not come about, under the present regime, unless and until someone presents a more compelling argument than Bucky did regarding the profitability (not the feasibility or the necessity) of making such a conversion. Does this make any sense? Leo ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:52:47 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leo Elliott Subject: [Fwd: Your Bio-conversion article] (fwd) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1430325511-1157856382-829230767=:4891 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII --1430325511-1157856382-829230767=:4891 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: >From mertus@speech.cog.brown.edu Wed Apr 10 05:46:04 1996 Received: from speech.cog.brown.edu by magellan.cloudnet.com via SMTP (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for compost id AA24264; Wed, 10 Apr 96 05:46:04 -0500 Received: by speech.cog.brown.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) id 1; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 05:44:06 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 05:44:05 EDT From: mertus@speech.cog.brown.edu To: compost Message-Id: <009A0A29.315916A0.1@speech.cog.brown.edu> Subject: Your Bio-conversion article Status: R X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Jim, I finally had time to read your bio-conversion article, you bring up some interesting points. But my feelings are that the problem is economic. To give an example, people keep cats and feed cats. Cats are great hunters and their population in urban areas have eliminated some types of birds and reduced the numbers of others (A cira 1980 survey done in the UK). On their own, such a population of cats could not exist; they would starve. But we keep them and bird populations suffer. So with humans, its hard to calculate how many humans the planet can hold, that depends upon highly upon the economic levels people are willing to live with. But even the best managed bio-friendly ecosystem can only absorb X number of people. Is that X 100 billion, or 1 billion. I tend to think it is 1 billion (although I have no scientific arguement for it.) Beyond that, we must use technology to support ourselfs. I'm not anti-technology, but large scale usese of it can cause major problems, and if the problems are not easily identifiable, then the economic interest win and "slash/burn" technology takes over. (I belive nuke power could be safe, and may be much better for our enviornment then coal burning. But there is a famous law in enginneering that says something like, "saftey will be reduced until an accident occures." So if we have nuke power, we will reduce safty until an accident occures. Like plane crashes) So I see the problem as economic/population. Recycling wastes will just allow more people, so we are 50% more efficent, if we increase the population 100%, we have gained nothing. My main points is that we don't have to believe that consumption means a better life, I live a pretty good life, but try to wear things out, like my shoes, and then repair them, adding new soles if possible. I live close to work and commute 200 days/year by bicycle. But still I consume, and I may use less, recycle more, but enough of me will still cause your carbon problem. We will not change until we become like the people of Easter Island, who drove their economy until their ecosystem collapsed. -jam --1430325511-1157856382-829230767=:4891-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:56:24 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Thinking Out Loud In-Reply-To: ; from "Steven L Combs" at Apr 11, 96 9:28 am Steven, Could you please post a brief description of your "Synergetic Atomic Model" for those of us who do not know or may have forgotten what it is? Thanks. Joe PS: Is there more info at a web site? If so, what is the URL? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:09:57 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: [Fwd: Your Bio-conversion article] (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from "Leo Elliott" at Apr 11, 96 9:51 am In all my 26 years of studying Bucky's ideas, I have never come across a really detailed economic analysis of exactly how much money could be made by satisfying the pent up demand for really affordable, scientifically-designed housing. I've seen studies on how many dwelling units the world currently needs, how many per year need to be produced to meet the demand within a reasonable time, etc, etc. But never how profitable it could be! Why not? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:19:06 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY ANAGRAM I put the word "buckminster" into an anagram-generator the other day, and this is what popped out, among others: BUCK-MEN-STIR -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:23:57 WST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Mac Cosham Subject: Re: Thinking Out Loud Thank you Steven for that letter. I enjoyed it very much. Dharmraj ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:33:07 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Fuller dome in Montreal Comments: To: Dorsey Hudson In-Reply-To: <316CAF2F.370F@mail.orci.com>; from "Dorsey Hudson" at Apr 11, 96 12:05 am Dorsey Hudson writes: > I watched 1 1/2 hr. show on PBS about Buckminster Fuller tonite, and I was wondering if > the dome he designed for a World Fair in Montreal is still standing. Probably not, huh? > Could you tell me anything about what happened to it after the fair? > Sorry for butting in here, but I couldn't find any Web sites that answered that > question. See the press release that I'll post next. The Expo '67 dome is still standing and being used. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:39:27 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: EXPO '67 UPDATE Comments: To: dorsey19@rocky.orci.com QUOTE: [IMAGE] CANADA NEWSWIRE [IMAGE] GIVE US YOUR MESSAGE. WE'LL GIVE YOU THE WORLD. _________________________________________________________________ Attention News Editors: ONTARIO TO BE PART OF BIOSPHERE'S ECOWATCH NETWORK MONTREAL, May 30, /CNW/ - The former American Pavilion of Expo '67 ``Man and his World'' in Montreal, is now undergoing final changes toward what will become the new Biosphere, headquarters of an extensive Ecowatch Network in keeping with the visionary ideas of the geodesic dome's founding architect, Richard Buckminster Fuller. Fuller's sphere is a landmark in the history of contemporary architecture, and the most important building of its type in the world. The Biosphere, an initiative of Environment Canada in collaboration with the City of Montreal will become a tool to safeguard, the St. Lawrence River, the Great Lakes and water in general. As Canada's first Ecowatch Center, the Biosphere's mandate is to encourage the exchange and dissemination of information about water and the St. Lawrence-Great Lakes ecosystem. It will also inspire citizens and communities to actively participate in water and ecosystem conservation and set up and run a network of ecowatchers, all in keeping with its founding architect's vision. The Ecowatch Network and its components will not only vigilantly monitor the St. Lawrence-Great Lakes ecosystem, but also increase the ability of all individuals involved to take immediate action when necessary. The Network will extend across the St. Lawrence-Great Lakes territory, on both the Canadian and American sides of the border. The actions of the ecowatchers and the Biosphere's partners will help promote Canada's expertise in the environmental field and safeguard the quality of life of Canadians for generations to come. The Biosphere is scheduled to open to the public on June 6th and Ontarian visitors are most welcome to come and discover the centre. For further information: Suzanne Blais, La Biosphhre,(514) 496-8300 10:28e 30-MAY-95 To view other releases from this company UNQUOTE. (I failed to record the URL of this web page, but I'm sure it could be found with a proper search. JSM) -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:54:15 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Fwd: Please forward to Joe Moore Comments: To: ll In-Reply-To: <199604111616.JAA15634@nic.cerf.net>; from "ll" at Apr 11, 96 9:16 am ll writes: > From: "Gary L. Peterson" <103576.3030@CompuServe.COM> > Mr. Joe Moore, > Earlier today I spoke with Peter Meisen who offered to forward this > message to you. > I own and operate Twenty First Century Books a mail order bookstore > which > specializes in material related to the work of Nikola Tesla. I am > interested in > acquiring a few copies of a book titled "A Fuller Explanation" by Amy > Edmunson > to carry at a conference bookstore that I am setting up. > After speaking with a person at the Buckminster Fuller Institute I now > understand the book has gone out of print. Can you advise me as to > how I might > acquire one or more copies of this item? > Sincerely, > Gary L. Peterson, 103576.3030@compuserve.com > > Twenty First Century Books > P.O. Box 2001, 0437 SCR 528 > Breckenridge, CO 80424-2001 > (970) 453-9293, 453-6692 (Fax) I'm surprised to hear that _A Fuller Explanation_ is out of print. The Amazon.com online bookstore (http://www.Amazon.com) is still listing her book in their catalog. But if it is, you might try contacting the author, Amy Edmondson, at ace@isr.harvard.edu. Maybe she has a few copies returned by the publisher. Other than that, I don't know what to suggest. Offer to publish it yourself? I'm forwarding this response to the Geodesic list; maybe someone out there in Buckyland can help you. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:13:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Curt Flowers Organization: University of Illinois - AISS, CSD Subject: Thinking Out Loud - Great! There were drawbacks to the show. Many of them will be emunerated here in this forum. Especially important is: "The show did not go far enough!" It could have covered far more material. It could/should have been hours long. It should be a mini series. But,.... For what it was, in my opinion, it was great! To see and hear Bucky again was an inspiration! Hopefully, this show will be just the start of a surge of interest in Fuller and his ideas. Yes, we can make it as humans! And, if nothing else, the show brought out that optimism of Fuller. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:10:33 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Danu Smith Subject: Bucky film not carried on No.Bay Cal. PBS Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Channel 6 (Sacramento) is the only channel to carry "Thinking Out Loud" and it is carried by none of the broadcast stations or none of the 5 cable companies supplying the many California Northbay counties. The Press Democrat even had a picture of Bucky featuring the film (on channel 6), even though none of the counties the PD primarily serves can receive channel 6! (Perhaps those lucky enough to have Satellite dishes may be able to get it). Perhaps complaints or requests to PBS channels 9 & 22 could get them to run = it? in-out:yin-yang; push-pull:yang-yin; rotate-translate:yin-yang revolution-evolution=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 =00=00 =3D spiral lovelution Hang with yang & Swim in Yin =A7>\||/<=A7 |_"""_| (O) (O) ---oOOO--(_)--OOOo----------------------- \|||||/ =A7=A7=A7=A7 =A7=A7=A7=A7 -danu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:15:12 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Paul R. Kosuth" Subject: thiking out loud All things considered I think that _Thinking Out LOud_ was an excellent experience. As a mattre of fact my students are watching the video now. Though nothing could really go far enough, I think that this was an excellent intro to the man and his works. We, as people who are very invested in the man and his works, should not be too critical of what was presented. It did show the man more critically than I have viewed him (ex: the Witchita house experience) Our work is to use the info as a springboard. To energize ourselves and to energize others. This is an oportunity for all of us. Paul Kosuth prkosuth@prairienet.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:32:05 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Andrea Chase Subject: Re: Bucky film not carried on No.Bay Cal. PBS In-Reply-To: I haven't been following the discussion so forgive if this is old=20 information... For those in the Bay Area who didn't get to see "Thinking Out Loud", the=20 Castro theater in San Francisco will be running it for two days, April 15 &= =20 16. Bucky on the big screen. Vera says check it out! On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Danu Smith wrote: > Channel 6 (Sacramento) is the only channel to carry "Thinking Out Loud" a= nd > it is carried by none of the broadcast stations or none of the 5 cable > companies supplying the many California Northbay counties. >=20 > The Press Democrat even had a picture of Bucky featuring the film (on > channel 6), even though none of the counties the PD primarily serves can > receive channel 6! (Perhaps those lucky enough to have Satellite dishes m= ay > be able to get it). >=20 > Perhaps complaints or requests to PBS channels 9 & 22 could get them to r= un it? >=20 > in-out:yin-yang; push-pull:yang-yin; rotate-translate:yin-yang > revolution-evolution=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 > =00=00 =3D spiral lovelution > Hang with yang & Swim in Yin >=20 > =A7>\||/<=A7 > |_"""_| > (O) (O) > ---oOOO--(_)--OOOo----------------------- > \|||||/ > =A7=A7=A7=A7 > =A7=A7=A7=A7 -danu >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:54:36 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Heeney Subject: Re: Fuller dome in Montreal >See the press release that I'll post next. The Expo '67 dome is still >standing and being used. The frame is still standing, but the plastic hexagonal and pentagonal bubbles burned off in a spectacular fire years ago. The concrete platforms from the original dome are still there, and "conventional" rectangular buildings have been constructed inside the dome shell, using these platforms. When I was there last November, the "Biosphere" was open to the public, and there are various exhibits with an ecological theme, focussing primarily on water. There is a bit of stuff about Bucky. Before the fire, but after Expo, the dome was converted into a fabulous greenhouse. ----------------------------------------------------------- David Heeney, IndEco Strategic Consulting Inc Surfing the Web? try http:// www.io.org/~heeney ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:41:17 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: (no subject) Comments: To: Ian Woofenden In-Reply-To: <199604112159.OAA07531@olympic>; from "Ian Woofenden" at Apr 11, 96 3:02 pm Ian Woofenden writes: > Bad link at http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html, bottom of > page. Thanks. I'll see if I can get the owner, Richard Henderson (richard@henderr.demon.co.uk) to fix it. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:09:56 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Thinking Out Loud:***** Five stars to this film. I don't care that it didn't have any synergetics. Film is a visual medium and the film makers exploited that. They followed the theme of Bucky's interest in housing (very visual) and made a movie not just about Fuller, but about a guy that persists onward despite repeated failure until he achieved recognition and success. When that helicopter took off with the dome I felt such a good feeling that, as the film said, Bucky had finally got his dream: a flying house. No reiterate: The beauty of the film was it simplicity and the following in general of the one theme. To do more would have weighed it down, made it hard to follow for the average person, and taken it into some not-so-visual domains. In my humble opinion: Excellent job! William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:15:24 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: R. Buckminster Fuller Show on PBS. Comments: To: Roan Carratu Comments: cc: NCNdiscuss-l@newciv.org >> Is there some inherent reason that these designs are not widely being used to >> meet human needs, or was it simply a matter of the people of the time's >> disenchantment with the concepts and Fuller's lack of financial wherewithal? >> >> Synergetically Yours, >> >> J.C. Graham >Roan Carratu >To answer your question: The industries are pyramidal structures, with a very >few people at the top making the decisions as to what choice all the rest of >the citizens of our civilization have. They choose our choices by controlling >what options exist for us. Fuller argued that whereas we might have had command and control at the top of pyramidal structures in the 1800s latest, when science/technology went off the visible spectrum, especially into ultra-micro realms (chemistry, electronics), the 'great pirate' paradigm came to an end: specialization, which used to be a 'divide and conquer' way of keeping intelligence concentrated at the top, became headless: the divided & conquered lived on in their various academic fields and disciplines, whereas the globally integrating mindset (which Fuller thought he witnessed the tail ends of at Anapolis Naval Academy), vanished. What remains in control, more than some privileged class of individuals, is a lot of conditioned reflexing, people going through the motions doing what's been handed down to them -- especially as encoded in lots of legalese and formulaic responses to 'big questions'. The whole systems perspective has given way to a lot of misinformed knee-jerk responding. It's not a "clever rulers outwit the masses and keep 'em in poverty" scenario, but 'a headless chicken dances on the brink of disaster' tragicomedy (not altogether tragic because humans have the option to demonstrate competence, are not condemned in advance -- pure tragedy usually requires a greater sense of inevitability than the current scene commands (the Great Pirates of old had a more tragic backdrop, as their science as yet had no realistic solutions to world hunger, for example)). Fuller hoped, through education, through networking, through world game, to respark humanities ingrained sense of competence and metaphysical mastery. By doing our own thinking, maybe we'd free ourselves from a GIGO economy which commits senseless acts because... well, how do your rationalize senselessness? It is in the financial best interests of the wealthy to commit resources towards Fuller's design science agenda pronto. The other road leads to Road Warriors and other such negative scifi (and down which we've already traveled a more-than-safe distance). Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 02:43:16 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Re: R. Buckminster Fuller Show on PBS. I beg to differ, Kirby. When I see how Disney now owns ABC/Capital Cities, Westinghouse now owns CBS, and General Electric owns NBC (not to mention what Ruppert Murdoch is doing in the world of media control) I am still very concerned that there are a few (I'm not sure how many) individuals who are looking to keep things "the way they like it." Control of information, internet or no internet, not to mention politics (until such day as campaigns are completely funded by public funds) is still IMHO in the hands of those with the money in this world. I'm willing to dialogue on this one. Steve Brant ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 02:49:12 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Re: Thinking Out Loud:***** I just thought I'd offer my review of the film for "public consumption." I offered it to "In Context" -- too long. (So I sent them a short version.) Can anyone think of other magazines that might accept it? (That's assuming you like what I say, I suppose.) Happy trimtabbing! - Steve Brant The Bad News: The film doesn't do it. It's up to us. The Good News: The film doesn't do it. It's up to us! (What???) "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud" A Simon & Goodman Company production "We wanted to show what Buckminster Fuller believed, as well as the comments of his friends and associates on those beliefs." With those words, Kirk Simon, one half of the Simon & Goodman Company, spelled out why the new film "Buckmnster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud" won't be very useful to those of us working to transform society. It will be hard for us to use it as an educational tool. Personally, I'll never build a workshop around it, because it would mean spending a lot of time explaining why there are as many people laughing at Bucky in the film as praising him. It will, however, be very useful to us in one way. I'll get to what that way is in a moment. On April 2nd I attended the New York premiere of "Buckmnster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud" at The Museum of Television & Radio. Mr. Simon made the above remark when I asked him what kind of "artifact" he had meant to create in making the film. In the context of that answer, the film is a success. If it were my film, I would have done it differently. As the film started, I hoped that it would clearly advocate for the "new truth" that constituted the major discovery at the core of Bucky's work. I hoped that it would declare once and for all -- perhaps using cinematic techniques in ways that would reach more people then Bucky was ever able to reach with his lectures and books -- that humanity achieved, a relatively short time ago, the evolutionary milestone of being technically capable of taking care of everyone on the planet's survival needs. If you happen to be new to Bucky Fuller's work, this is his major contribution to humanity: his realization that the root cause of all human conflict -- scarcity of resources -- no longer exists. Why do I say "root cause"? Because when there's not enough to go around, what do you do? You make sure that those people like you -- those people that are part of your "family", be it religious, political, or whatever -- have what they need to survive. The rest be damned. This weight that has suppressed mankind's innate desire to share and cooperate for centuries has finally been conquered, at the technological level. Unfortunately, the sociological legacy of living in a world of scarce resources century after century -- this "you or me world" that is a product of there having really not been enough for everyone for all that time -- has proven a lot harder to conquer. In our society, it's not always the most "useful" way of thinking that people go for, it's what people are most "used to" thinking that they gravitate towards. Time and time again, Bucky attempted to lead society to the water of "we now finally have the capability for all of humanity to live at a higher standard of living then has ever been known before," and time and time again not enough of society got the message to form the critical mass necessary to shift the sociological paradigm of the larger whole. And now here comes "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud." While you will find many of the right words in the film, they are presented in a totally objective context. Or, perhaps more accurately, they are presented in the context of the story of one man's admittedly remarkable life. As a result, the truth that Bucky saw remains locked in the context of opinion. Which, of course, still leaves open the possibility that some people will see what Bucky saw when they view the film. It's just that the film's design leaves that possibility much more open to chance, which I personally feel is a shame. So, how is it that I see this film as being useful? It is useful precisely because it doesn't "do it for us." Because it is not a "magic bullet" that will transform anyone who watches it into someone working to create a world that "works for everyone," that job is still left to us! Which, when I think about it, is probably the way Bucky would have wanted it to be. I don't think he would have wanted us to be able to sit back and have this film do our work for us. He would want us to continue working to be the "trimtabs" that we are all capable of being. Transforming society is the job of people, not films. Sure, it would be nice if this film were a better tool for us to use in our individual trimtabing efforts; but, since it isn't, we're just going to have to use our own individual creativity. We will have to demonstrate by the work we all do the power of human cooperation and creativity to enable society to "do more with less." Eventually, that critical mass will be reached, as a result of the work of a lot of "ordinary individuals" like you and me. Reviewed by Steve Brant, Quantum Management Systems (Email: trimtab@walrus.com) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:22:05 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: Fuller dome in Montreal In article <2.2.16.19960411154928.376f03ea@io.org>, David Heeney wrote: > The frame is still standing, but the plastic hexagonal and pentagonal > bubbles burned off in a spectacular fire years ago. The concrete platforms > from the original dome are still there, and "conventional" rectangular > buildings have been constructed inside the dome shell, using these platforms. > > When I was there last November, the "Biosphere" was open to the public, and > there are various exhibits with an ecological theme, focussing primarily on > water. There is a bit of stuff about Bucky. > > Before the fire, but after Expo, the dome was converted into a fabulous > greenhouse. What was so fabulous about it.? That dome in Montreal is such a monument to the lack of imagination and thinking given to Bucky's ideas. Yes, as they proclaimed in "Thinking out Loud" that just being in the dome gave one a sense of it's greatness. At least until you looked around and saw what the American Expo 67 commitee put in it. It was filled with nothing. A little American trivia. When you contrast this with Bucky's original proposal for using it to launch the World Game, being there would have made you cry. After Expo 67 they had to decide what to do with it. The city of Montreal had trouble deciding if it was worth the $ 1.00 that was being asked. The city asked for proposals for what could be done with it. They received some brilliant proposals and if my memory serves me correctly this included a proposal from Bucky. What they choose was to fill it with some plants and some exotic birds. After all it was a building covered in plastic - What else do you do with a building covered in plastic ? I wouldn't have found him guilty if Bucky himself started the fire that burned away the outside. This building that he named "Ann'e Taj Mahal" in celebration of his 50 year marriage. Althought it gave him so much recgonition I'm sure he must have felt that people were missing the point in praising the structure and not the ideas behind it. Who else felt that the show "Thinking out Load" was alot like that.? The fire came - caused by some welder's accident and the whole building went into flames. Imagine - there was no structural damage. Since then it has been turned into a biosphere. As David pointed out "When I was there last November, the "Biosphere" was open to the public, and there are various exhibits with an ecological theme, focussing primarily on water. There is a bit of stuff about Bucky." Well David did you see anything there that really excited your imagination or that you believed was constructive activity toward making the world successful for 100% of humanity.? I doubt it. I sure didn't. Now from reading Joe's post one would think that something new is going to happen there that is in keeping with the inspirations of Buckminster Fuller. Sure would be nice we'll have to wait and see. Jack ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 04:17:08 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: A bubble wall? Certain standard works like the PSIC Guidelines for Passive Solar House Design teach inefficient passive solar house design. But to me the principles of efficient passive solar house design aren't hard to learn. UNlearning is often the hard part. A couple of days ago, I explained most of them in 2 hours to a smart 13 year old, working thru 7 pages of simple equations and examples together. I had asked her if she had studied algebra in school yet (she was reading a physics text as I walked up to her at a science fair), and she said "no, but I know all that" :-) And she did. There was also a 12 year old doing bubble experiments. She discovered that if she doped her standard bubble mix (1/2 cup green Dawn, 3 Tbs glycerin, and 2 quarts of water) by adding 1/4 tsp of lemon juice, the bubbles lasted 111 seconds at 80 F and 506 sec at 45 F, vs 309 sec and 185 sec for the standard solution. 1/4 tsp of maple syrup changed this to 431 and 345 sec. She also tried adding jello, perfume, and another dozen substances... Her parting thought was quite serious: "Dust is the enemy of bubbles." So, led by this little child, let's all buy some glycerin, and try to invent a bubble wall, eg two pieces of single-layer polycarbonate plastic with butyl tape over a plastic 1x3" frame that can be filled between with bubbles at night that emerge from a PVC pipe with a few holes immersed in a soapy solution at the bottom, connected to a small aquarium air pump with a timer? This could be very useful in a passive solar house, like Beadwall. Simple movable insulation. During the day, the sun shines in on some thermal mass, and at night the glazing fills up with bubbles, keeping the heat in. Commercial greenhouses use two huge layers of UV-treated polyethylene film inflated to form an air pillow 4" thick. A tiny 50 watt blower can inflate a 1 acre greenhouse. Would bubblewalls work with poly film pillows? Bubbles tend to last longer in cold humid condtions. A layer of frozen bubbles inside an outside glazing might be very good insulation on a very cold night. Perhaps there is an optimal bubble size for insulation. Too small, and convection losses might be small, but conduction losses and air pump power and water transport thermal losses might be large. Too big, and convection losses go up. Steve Baer tried making solar collectors with bubblewalls years ago, but he let the sun shine though the bubbles during the day, vs leaving the bubblewall cavity empty. He found that the walls of his bubbles were too thin to block IR re-radiation, altho he read later that others had had more success. A bubblewall that is empty during the day could be filled at night with bubbles with thicker or more opaque walls, made with some viscous opaque solution, perhaps containing some green dye. I guess we have to let a little air leak out of the top of the glazing cavity, but we would want to break the bubbles at the top and let the water run back down through the cavity. Ohm's law for heatflow is a good start: the amount of heat Q in Btu/hour that flows through a wall with area A ft^2 and R-value R and temps Ti (F) on one side and To on the other, is Q = (Ti-To)A/R. Here's one bubble wall test setup, a 2' cube divided in half by a bubble wall that might have an R-value of 2 when empty and 12 when full. We might make the cube out of 2" Styrofoam with an R-value of 10. One side could be kept at 32 F with some melting ice at the top, with some foam on top and around the ice tray, and the other side could be kept at 132 F with a thermostat and a light bulb, with a piece of aluminum foil to shade the bubblewall from the bulb. How much ice water might we collect in an hour with the bubblewall empty and full of bubbles? What might we get for readings in each case if we hook up the light bulb to a kWh meter? It's nice to have two ways to check the heatflow through the bubble wall. ......................... 70 F room . ice .. . . ......................... . . .. . . . To .. Ti . R10 . 2' 2' . 32 F .. 132 F . . . .. light . . . .. bulb . . ......................... 2' 1' 1' ^ |___ bubble wall It takes 144 Btu to melt a pound of ice, and there are 3410 Btu in a kWh. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:51:58 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: [Fwd: Your Bio-conversion article] (fwd) In article <9604110809.aa08562@bbs.cruzio.com>, Joe Moore wrote: > In all my 26 years of studying Bucky's ideas, I have never come across a > really detailed economic analysis of exactly how much money could be made by > satisfying the pent up demand for really affordable, scientifically-designed > housing. I've seen studies on how many dwelling units the world currently > needs, how many per year need to be produced to meet the demand within a > reasonable time, etc, etc. But never how profitable it could be! Why not? > Yes that would be interesting along with a study of how financially devastating it would be to so many governments, banks and corporations to have a global industry arise that could satisify that demand with really affordable scientifically-designed housing. How many mortgages are tied up in placing a high value on the existing state of affairs. Bucky seemed aware that this was what was stopping his plans. We are having problems with money - not wealth. If you ask the question "How profitable it would be ?" You have to also ask how unprofitable it would be for others? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:27:52 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Paul R. Kosuth" Subject: film // money // control There were a coupla msg about things changing for the better through networking and internetting versus control being concentrated in the hands of a wealthy few (Steve Brant ?) I think that the number of wealthy few is about 400 - 500 people who control about 90 percent of the wealth. I'll try to find the reference (I saw it an ad on the back of _Covert Action Quaterly_ --- excellent watchdog mag by the way) I tend to still think that the information and power is still very concentrated -- even in "democratic" USA. My hope is to keep working with the kids and get the msg out that there are alternatives. Paul Kosuth prkosuth@prairienet.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:49:16 GMT+0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Venter, Dawie" Organization: Denel Informatics, Cape Reg Office Subject: Re: Affordable housing. In article <9604110809.aa08562@bbs.cruzio.com>, Joe Moore wrote: > satisfying the pent up demand for really affordable, scientifically-designed > housing. In South-Africa we are going through some interesting changes at present, the least pleasant of which is to see massive informal settlements mushroom on vacant land around the big cities. People are flocking there in search for a "better" life, but the living conditions in these shanty towns are extremely tough. Basic services (electricity, waste removal, water, sewerage etc.) have been provided to the larger settlements. A number of socio economic problems exist, but to me the most compelling seems to be quality of shacks built by the people there. Most are built with wood plastic sheeting, corrugated iron sheets and other very combustible materials. The dwellings are also built very close together and the risk of fire is a very real hazard. Recently there have been a spate of fires, raising an amazing number of shacks in a very short space of time. Any small fire often gets out of control very quickly because of windy conditions and the nature of combustible substances kept in the dwellings, such as propane cylinders and lamp fuel. One conciliation in the aftermath of a recent fire is that the residents agreed to better "town planning" principles and allowing routes in for emergency vehicles. I would like to share with the group, a housing "innovation" which are being tried out to build new and replace destroyed shacks. I've been told that military-type sand bags are being used to build the structure of some of these new houses. The bags are made of a very strong plastic weave material are very cheap and the filling is even cheaper, it is free. Depending on the soil-type a little cement powder is added to the filling, which eventually compacts to a brick-like consistency. The filled bags are neatly stacked to form the walls of the dwelling, leaving openings for doors and windows .The sandbag walls have better insulation than anything else used previously, are fire-proof, durable, can be re-arranged and are very cheap. The soil excavated to fill the bags is taken from around the perimeter of the house, leaving a neat drainage ditch. Any additional comments towards this type of structure would be welcome. P.S. Has anyone ever thatched a geodesic dome yet? :-) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:31:46 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Heeney Subject: Re: Fuller dome in Montreal >> Before the fire, but after Expo, the dome was converted into a fabulous >> greenhouse. >What was so fabulous about it.? That dome in Montreal is such a monument >to the lack of imagination and thinking given to Bucky's ideas. Only the structure itself. I'd certainly agree with your statment. >Since then it has been turned into a biosphere. As David pointed out "When >I was there last November, the "Biosphere" was open to the public, and >there are various exhibits with an ecological the >Well David did you see anything there that really excited your imagination >or that you believed was constructive activity toward making the world >successful for 100% of humanity.? I doubt it. I sure didn't. No I didn't. In fact on the whole I found it quite boring. However, I was surprised that Bucky was even mentioned. They had a video of Bucky playing in th e lobby (though not when I went through), and some other discussion of the dome itself. I also found the building itself quite depressing. My recollection (which may be wrong) was of a bunch of cubical concrete buildings which just happened to be in the space inside the dome's frame. They had no relationship to the dome. >Now from reading Joe's post one would think that something new is going to >happen there that is in keeping with the inspirations of Buckminster >Fuller. >Sure would be nice we'll have to wait and see. It would. Unfortunately, Joe's post sounded only slightly different from what's already there. ----------------------------------------------------------- David Heeney, IndEco Strategic Consulting Inc Surfing the Web? try http:// www.io.org/~heeney ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:17:18 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FULLER INFO EXCHANGE BBS I just found out by accident that the Fuller Information Exchange BBS run by Kiyoshi Kuromiya and Richard Bauer in Philadelphia is available by TELNET. No long distance phone calls! telnet://critpath.org/ login: fix -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:00:42 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Paul R. Kosuth" Subject: money // power Better grounded facts than I had (in haste) posted earlier.... 1 % of the population owns 40 % of the wealth the richest 1% make more money than the other 92 % 400 people paid out 40,000,000 dollars in campaign contributions last year. Paul Kosuth prkosuth@prairienet.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:49:29 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Danu Smith Subject: Buckyballs from outer space discovered in Canada Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Chronicle Front Page > [Image] Feedback > The Gate >---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > Friday, April 12, 1996 =B7 Page A7 =A9 1996 San Francisco Chroni= cle >---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >Carbon Molecules From Distant Star Found in Ancient Crater > >Charles Petit, Chronicle Science Writer > >Astounded scientists are reporting today that they have found, locked in th= e >blackened rock of an old and immense meteor scar in Canada, pockets of >preserved gas from a distant star that died long before the sun was born. > >The apparent samples of ancient star stuff are tucked inside buckyballs -- >peculiar, hollow molecules of carbon that scientists discovered in the lab >only in 1985. > >But a profusion of buckyballs was found more recently in the eroded remains >of a crater 60 miles long and 45 miles wide near the town of Sudbury in the >province of Ontario. It marks where an object at least 10 miles across hit >in a titanic collision 1.85 billion years ago. > >``We only just learned such molecules can exist at all. Now they may be the >oldest complex molecules ever found on Earth,'' said Jeffrey Bada, a marine >geochemist at the University of California's Scripps Institution of >Oceanography in San Diego. He is an author of a paper on the find, publishe= d >in today's issue of the journal Science. > >Consisting of hollow balls of either 60 or 70 carbon atoms linked in a >pattern like the hexagonal seams of a soccer ball, buckyballs are also >called fullerenes. Both terms derive from the first such molecule >discovered, the buckminsterfullerene. The name reflects their resemblance t= o >the geodesic domes promoted by the late American designer Buckminster >Fuller. > >Bada said that until a few years ago, he would have assumed that an object >the size of Mount Everest hitting Earth at about 50,000 miles per hour, >unleashing energy thousands of times that of the world's nuclear arsenals, >would destroy any complex molecules on board. > >The lead author is Bada's former student, Luann Becker, a fellow at the NAS= A >Ames Research Center in Mountain View. She is currently in New Zealand >looking for ancient buckyballs in other deposits left by asteroids or comet= s >colliding with Earth. A third author, Robert J. Poreda of the University of >Rochester, analyzed the buckyballs' contents. > >Discoverers of the Sudbury buckyballs believe that they formed in the outer >atmosphere of a giant, red star that ballooned into space many billions of >years ago and helped seed the nebula that later formed the sun and planets. > >The key to the idea is the helium that lab tests found inside the Sudbury >buckyballs. The ratio of isotopes -- versions of the helium > >--is unlike that of natural minerals on Earth but is similar to that of >interstellar space. > >The Sudbury crater region is famed for rich deposits of nickel and iron tha= t >the impact apparently churned up from deeper in the Earth. Bada estimates >that buckyballs and their stardust cargoes account for up to 10 parts per >million of a 500-meter-thick layer of blasted rubble, whose circular shape >is a remnant of the long-eroded crater. That percentage, while small, ``is >incredibly high for fullerenes,'' Bada said. ``It's a real mother lode.'' H= e >estimated that a million tons of buckyballs are in the crater deposits. >Becker first reported two years ago that the Sudbury crater remnants are >peculiarly rich in buckyballs. She and her colleagues assumed that they had >formed in the fireball rising from the impact. > >``We thought they might have samples of ancient Earth air in them,'' Bada >said. ``We never imagined they would have what looks like the atmosphere of >another star.'' > >``It seems hard to believe,'' said Kevin Zahnle, an authority on comet >impacts at NASA Ames, ``but I think they (the authors) have put this >together correctly. Assuming their numbers are right, I don't see any way t= o >make these fullerenes on Earth.'' > > Chronicle Search Feedback Chronicle Front Page The Gate Home Page >=A9 The Chronicle Publishing Company Now THAT'S what I call Permanent Housing!! Is this vindication of Bucky's theories re: efficient structures or what? in-out:yin-yang; push-pull:yang-yin; rotate-translate:yin-yang revolution-evolution=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 =00=00 =3D spiral lovelution Hang with yang & Swim in Yin =A7>\||/<=A7 |_"""_| (O) (O) ---oOOO--(_)--OOOo----------------------- \|||||/ =A7=A7=A7=A7 =A7=A7=A7=A7 -danu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:20:06 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leo Elliott Subject: thinking (and talking) out loud Comments: cc: Jim McNelly 55 The world presents itself to me, not chiefly as a complex of visual sensations, but as a complex of aural sensations. The fact explains many of my prejudices and weaknesses -- for example, my defective appreciation of painting. It explains something a good deal more elusive: my taste in women. I seldom give much heed to the faces and forms of females, and I almost never notice their clothes. But when one of them has a low-pitched and soft voice, with a good clang-tint, she is free to consume my wealth and waste my time whenever the spirit moves her. H.L. Mencken (Minority Report, 1956) -------------------------------------------------------- I was struck watching "Thinking Out Loud" the other night, not only with the _sight_ of Bucky, in action, in each of the decades of his life, but almost as much by the sound of his voice, especially when he was giving his first (?) filmed presentation on the dymaxion house, presumably sometime after the death of his daughter and his excursion into Lake Michigan, and his subsequent quiescent retreat period (did he _really_ not talk to anybody but Anne for _two years_?) Anyhow, he definitely had the look of a haunted man, standing there next to his paper model. His voice, while still as froggy as ever (sorry Bucky), was decidedly less animated (as one might expect from one who had been in seclusion for so long?), and his delivery was almost as if reading from cue cards -- semi- spontaneous perhaps, but hardly the captivating sparkplug we heard later on in clips from the 50s through the 80s. There were one or two other clips, I believe from the late 30s or 40s (when Bucky appeared to be in his plump phase) wherein his voice sounded positively syruppy, enhancing the point the filmmakers were making at the time, about Bucky's smarmy charminess -- they surely chose an apt clip. And then of course there were the Bucky-as-mesmerizer clips, speaking to university or business audiences, holding forth in the midst of hippie masses, etc. His delivery definitely seemed to become more stacatto as his voice became less resonant, perhaps related to his hearing loss. I was also struck by the clip showing Bucky with wings spread on Bear Island(?), encouraging his guests to do likewise so they could feel the earth moving (accompanied by a feeling of pressure on the left foot?) -- I had to laugh with a flashback to my own earlier decades, when it was not unusual to encourage a group to engage in some outrageous experiment like this, usually preceded by some kind of psychoactive indulgence, and often accompanied by eager anticipations... "... pfffffft!.... oooh wow man... are you gettin' off yet?" Leo Elliott homeboy@esinet.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:30:09 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rob Beezer Subject: Geodesic framework as playground equipment Please pardon me if this an FAQ - I've reviewed last month's archives of this discussion list, checked out several of the related WWW pages, and searched the WWW through Alta Vista, and I have not been able to find a good answer to my question. Could anyone give me some pointers to where I could purchase a kit that would create a geodesic dome structure that would be appropriate for children to climb on? I'd like to assemble one for use in my backyard. Having all the parts available, and simply assembling it sounds best to me, but specialized parts ("star joints"?) together with plans that required more commonly available materials (steel pipe?) would be another possibility. A real nice plus would be if a partial dome could be constructed now while my kids are smaller, and when they get bigger perhaps it could be expanded to achieve slightly greater height and wider base. If you would prefer to respond to me directly at beezer@ups.edu I can then post a summary of the responses. Thanks in advance for your help. Rob Robert Beezer Associate Professor Department of Mathematics University of Puget Sound 1500 North Warner Tacoma, WA 98416 beezer@ups.edu http://buzzard.ups.edu/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:33:26 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: syn-l: south africa housing (fwd) tom aagdii writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Fri Apr 12 13:31:08 1996 > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:29:45 +0200 (MET DST) > From: tom aagdii > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: syn-l: south africa housing > In-Reply-To: > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > to Venter,Dawie > > hello joe could you forward this to geodesic. > > i think you should go for the big shot, try to arrange a meeting > with Mandela. south arfica had the most stratigic location in world > sea trade in the last 300 hundred years. it is very important > place; i was thinking that Japan, china, or india might ge > geodesic domes mass produced; put i think that these countries are > to bussy to think about such things, it might be south africa which will > bring it about, just a hunch. > i am sure when the building technic is easy( mass production)they will > spread like mashrooms. > go for it try; > Tagdi > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:42:24 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic framework as playground equipment Comments: cc: Synergetics List In-Reply-To: ; from "Rob Beezer" at Apr 12, 96 3:30 pm Rob Beezer writes: > Please pardon me if this an FAQ - I've reviewed last month's archives of > this discussion list, checked out several of the related WWW pages, and > searched the WWW through Alta Vista, and I have not been able to find a > good answer to my question. > Could anyone give me some pointers to where I could purchase a kit that > would create a geodesic dome structure that would be appropriate for > children to climb on? I'd like to assemble one for use in my backyard. > Having all the parts available, and simply assembling it sounds best to me, > but specialized parts ("star joints"?) together with plans that required > more commonly available materials (steel pipe?) would be another > possibility. A real nice plus would be if a partial dome could be > constructed now while my kids are smaller, and when they get bigger perhaps > it could be expanded to achieve slightly greater height and wider base. > If you would prefer to respond to me directly at beezer@ups.edu I can > then post a summary of the responses. Thanks in advance for your help. > > Robert Beezer > Associate Professor > Department of Mathematics > University of Puget Sound > 1500 North Warner > Tacoma, WA 98416 > beezer@ups.edu > http://buzzard.ups.edu/ I've seen playground dome climbers in Toys-R-Us and also in the yellow pages under "Playground Equipment". Some toy stores also carry dome climber kits. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:07:50 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Fuller Projection Digital Map From WorldSat A while back, someone posted a message that said: A 4km cloud-free composite-satellite-image Fuller Projection Map created using a computer program written by Robert Gray and Jim Knighton and processed by Robert, Stacey and Knighton is now available. This sounded nice, since I collect remote sensing imagery as "art", and I have toyed with the idea of dedicating a few gigs of storage on the trusty Supercollider to an implementation of Bucky's "GeoScope" idea. I sent some e-mail asking about prices for the digital version of the map, and got a reply from Emery Miller (emery@worldsat.ca) as follows. Even if you don't know/don't care about remote sensing imagery and technical specs, scroll down and look at the PRICES!!!! >The Fuller image is an actual (not simulated) image of the Earth >as seen from an altitude of 820 km (520 miles) above the Earth's >surface. This imagery is further enhanced by WorldSat's ocean >floor relief and digital elevation data covering the whole Earth >and providing accurate terrain data for the underlying imagery. >While the image is based on NOAA LAC (1km) data, coregistered to >1,000 meter elevation data the actual resolution of the image is >4km (pixel size = 4km). The data used to create the mosaic was >gathered over a 2 year period and generally sorted as to season to >maintain consistent ground cover. However, where necessary, off >season images were used and adjusted to reasonably represent the >expected seasonal ground cover condition. > >Specifically, the image is based on 1 infrared channel and 1 >visible channel of NOAA data from which 3 RGB bands of data are >generated such that when displayed they produce a natural colour >image. While the imagery has been blended to eliminate visible >scenes boundaries, it has not been colourized. > >Imagery data can be provided in a number of formats. The >preferred format is TIFF although TARGA, PIC, GIF and raw data >such as BSQ, BIL or pixel interleaved can be provided based on 3, >8 bit bands of data. > >Pricing of the imagery is as follows: > >Cost for single system License for whole Earth digital dataset (US $) > > Resolution Image Elevation Shaded R > > 4 kilometer 2,000 1,000 1,000 > 2 kilometer 6,000 3,000 2,000 > 1 kilometer 20,000 10,000 5,000 > 250 meter 30,000 15,000 7,500 So much for my idea about a Web-Based implementation of Bucky's GeoScope. Cycles and bandwidth I have, but $30,000 bucks for a map? Ouch. Anyone have any ideas on something slightly CHEAPER??? Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" Have Rest Stops. Why? james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:34:33 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Stoddart Organization: Pinwheel Subject: Re: Geodesic framework as playground equipment Rob Beezer wrote: > > Could anyone give me some pointers to where I could purchase a kit that > would create a geodesic dome structure that would be appropriate for > children to climb on? I'd like to assemble one for use in my backyard. I remember a children's climbing gym being published in Popular Science Magazine. Struts were conduit, ends mashed flat and bent, holes drilled, bolted together. It may have been a solar / green house originally. Chris Stoddart ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:54:28 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Fuller Projection Digital Map From WorldSat In-Reply-To: <199604130410.AAA07137@crucible.inmind.com>; from "James Fischer" at Apr 13, 96 12:07 am WorldSat Int'l (digital) worldsat@geomatics.com Robert W. Gray http://vivanet.com/~rwgray9/ Above parties did new Fuller Projection map (paper version available thru BFI. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:00:28 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: geodesic buckminster (fwd) Comments: cc: Synergetics List Please send your reply to netnews@hotpage.stanford.edu. writes: > From hotpage.stanford.edu!no-one Fri Apr 12 21:57:09 1996 > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:57:07 -0700 (PDT) > Message-Id: <199604130457.VAA24491@hotpage.Stanford.EDU> > Subject: geodesic buckminster > From: "Please send your reply to netnews@hotpage.stanford.edu." > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at bbs.cruzio.com > > To unsubscribe from the service, please send a message to > netnews@sift.stanford.edu with the following three lines in the message body: > > user joemoore@cruzio.com > unsubscribe > end > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Subscription 1: geodesic buckminster > > Article: sci.engr.metallurgy.6200 > Message-ID: <4kh854$oe0@gateway.asm-intl.org> > From: LHChom@po.ASM-Intl.org (Leslie Chom) > Subject: Buckminster Fuller special on PBS > Score: 100 > First 20 lines: > The PBS station in New York has put together a special on Buckminster Fuller, which should be airing > April 10 in many US markets. For those of you unfamiliar with Bucky, he's the man that invented the geodesic dome. > (and is the name sake for the Fullerene molecule, which looks much like the dome) More information about > the dome and his many other inventions, including video clips, can be found at > http://www.wnet.org > The headquarters of ASM International, one of the leading societies for metallurgy and materials science, is housed > under the world's largest of these domes. A piicture of our headquarters can be found on our website at > http://www.asm-intl.org > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > Leslie Chom (LHChom@po.asm-intl.org) > Visit the ASM Online Book Catalog at http://www.asm-intl.org > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > For help information, send email SIFT Netnews Server > with word 'help' in message body netnews@sift.stanford.edu > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:08:23 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: Comments on Thinking Out Load (fwd) Jack Lazariuk writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Fri Apr 12 23:44:02 1996 > Message-Id: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:50:57 -0500 > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > From: Jack Lazariuk > Subject: Re: syn-l: Comments on Thinking Out Load > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > At 11:28 PM 4/12/96, Kirby Urner wrote: > >A > >>>2) They gave no information on any of the world maps which Bucky > >>> created (nor why he thought that his world maps were important.) > >>> They did mention World Game, but only superficially. They should > >>> have gone into more depth. > >> > >>It apparently is the only map granted a patent. Worth mentioning ! > >>> > >>Jack Lazariuk > >>e.mail lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com > >> > > > > > >I'm somewhat skeptical that Fuller was the only one granted a patent > >for a world map. Point your browser at > > > >http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/images/BoormanGlobe.jpg > > > >to see what I mean. > > I looked at what you pointed me to. It seems to be part of a patent from > the 1800's. In my comment I used the word apparently because I was relying > on my memory of a book I read by the patent agent who granted Bucky his > patent. I seemed to remember him writing that it was the only patent given > out by the U.S. Patent department. > I certainly could be wrong. Does anyone have a copy of that book. > > Jack Lazariuk > e.mail lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com > > A doctor, a lawyer and a mathematician were discussing the relative > merits of having a wife or a mistress. > > The lawyer says: "For sure a mistress is better. If you have a wife > and want a divorce, it causes all sorts of legal problems. > > The doctor says: "It's better to have a wife because the sense of > security lowers your stress and is good for your health. > > The mathematician says: " You're both wrong. It's best to have both so > that when the wife thinks you're with the mistress and the mistress > thinks you're with your wife --- you can do some mathematics. > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 09:36:36 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Subject: Synergetic Atomic Model YeogdzmiUXUgCU3vXy3cuan6Nigt ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 07:52:48 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: A bubble roof? A quote from _The Unbelievable Bubble Book_, by John Cassidy (Klutz Press, 1987): Once the World's Leading Fizzicist, Dr. Aristid V. Grosse, for many years the director of the Research Institute at Temple University, spent his youth in the study of high-energy particle physics. He worked on the Manhattan Project, joined the faculty at Temple, became president of a well-known consulting company, published numerous scientific papers and to all appearances, pursued a dignified, as well as distinguished, scientific career. Meanwhile though, he was privately conducting a series of strange experiments that have made him an expert... on the subject of bizarre bubbles and funny foams. Dr. Grosse once modified a 55 gallon steel drum with a copper tube apparatus that looked suspiciously like a still. When connected to a tank of helium and a source of soapy water... the drum suddenly began to spew out large gobs of aerodynamic foam. "Skyfoam"... could climb to altitudes of 30,000 feet. As basketball-sized blobs of foam headed off into the blue, Dr. Grosse would speculate on the... practical applications. Speculation, incidentally, whether practical or not, was Dr. Grosse's strength. Once, after wondering about the ability of huge blobs of foam to quell street riots, he buried himself in a tankful of a specially formulated foam. "You can't see a thing," he reported back. "You can't hear a person three feet away unless he shouts." Dr. Grosse used to experiment with special formulations of bubble solution that could generate gel-like bubbles with some very peculiar un-bubbly properties... they could be decorated and hung around a room like party balloons. Dr. Gross had several in his office with sequins on them... He even had plans involving the creation of a 40 foot long hot-dog shaped gel-bubble that would function as a parade float. I've been unable to locate Dr. Gross through Temple University. I wonder what he might have proposed for the roof of the structure below? It might have a 9' tall strawbale and mortar wall with a commercial plastic film greenhouse on top, one 30' wide made with curved galvanized pipes on 4' centers and two layers of inflated polyethylene film stretched over that, a standard commercial film greenhouse technique, except for the stemwall. Such a greenhouse top, eg a "Northerner" from E C Geiger, might cost about $1 per square foot, but that seems expensive, and it would not be well-insulated, with an R-value of 1.2. Perhaps we could put a lightweight air-supported roof over the 30 x 58' rectangle between the chicken coop and the greenhouse, like this: straw ..................... .s . .t . straw N .r chicken coop . 12' | 16' | Aa ...........................................A .w . straw wall ................. --- ................................................ . . . . 20' | <- 30' -> . . . . s . . . . . . . . t . . . . . r . 38' x 66' membrane cover . . . . a . . . . . . . . w . | . . . . . . post . post . post . W post. . . . 32' E . w .26' . . . . a . . . . . . . . l . | . . . . l . . . . . . . . . . . . . ............................................ . . . straw wall . . . .....................................................glass...... --- . 4' solar wall . A..............................................................A.......... . . reflecting pool . 16' made from a single roll of 20' wide . EPDM rubber roofing material . . <-- 100' --> . <......................................................................... . S . air-inflated cover? . A..............................................................A --- . . . . . ~4' . . . . --- . chicken coop . . c c . . . 9' tall solar wall . T c c . ~5' . . B i p p i B . . B w p p w B . .............................................................................. The cover might attach along lines with corners marked A above. It could be rectangular in shape, as seen from above, and curved as seen from the east or south. Suppose the roof support had four posts, 9' tall, with EW and NS ceiling joists and NS ropes with a 15' span on 4' centers, that sagged 2' down from the 9' wall edges at a point midway between the long walls and the EW joists. With a 15 psf snow load, each rope would have to support 960 pounds, ie a vertical tension of Ty = 480 pounds on each side of the center, with a horizontal tension Tx = 4Ty such that the rope tension T = sqr(Tx^2+Ty^2) = sqr(17Ty^2) = 1980 lb. Let's see... The breaking strength of 1/8" dacron rope is something like 600 pounds, so 1/4" rope might work. Perhaps 1/2" rope for a safety factor of 5. The EW beam would support about 2000 pounds over a 12' span, so if f = 1200 psi, L = 12', W = 2000, M = 2000x12x12/8 = 36K in-lb, S = 36K/1.2K = 30 in^3, and if b = 4.5" d = sqr(6S/b) = 6.32". We might use 3 2x8s for the EW beam. On top of the beam and the ropes we might have a layer of 30% black greenhouse shadecloth, eg Stuppy's item number 2363, costing $0.088 per square foot, with a small additional charge for sewing it into a 30 x 58' piece with hems and grommets along the edges. On top of that might be a layer of UV resistant greenhouse polyethylene film, eg E C Geiger's catalog number 23-3432100, a 4 mil clear poly film in a 32' wide folded roll costing about 5 cents/ft^2. On top of that might be a layer of 6 mil film, and they might be attached at the edges with E C Geiger's Unilock aluminum extrusion clamps, costing about 64 cents/linear foot. Then we might have another layer of shadecloth over the top with a few grommets in the middle for some ropes on 4' centers over the top to stabilize the top in the wind and resist inflation forces. The top might bulge up 3' in the middle, and it might be whitewashed in summer. The upper poly film might need replacing and recycling every 5 years. Here's what Stuppy has to say about inflation: "a rule of thumb is: for every 10,000 square feet of pillow area, use a one-thirtieth (1/30) horsepower blower." Yeager's new 30 x 80' greenhouse on route 113 south of Phoenixville, PA uses one such 50 watt blower for inflation. Stuppy recommends inflating unsupported poly film pillows to a pressure of 0.3" WG. With shadecloth and rope backing the films might be inflated to a higher pressure, making a sturdier structure. How would we insulate this roof? Bubbles, of course. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:05:32 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bruce Hoglund Organization: NWES, Inc. Subject: Re: A bubble wall? In article <4kl3i4$rv2@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>, nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote: [snip] > So, led by this little child, let's all buy some glycerin, and try to invent > a bubble wall, eg two pieces of single-layer polycarbonate plastic with butyl > tape over a plastic 1x3" frame that can be filled between with bubbles at > night that emerge from a PVC pipe with a few holes immersed in a soapy > solution at the bottom, connected to a small aquarium air pump with a timer? > This could be very useful in a passive solar house, like Beadwall. Simple > movable insulation. During the day, the sun shines in on some thermal mass, > and at night the glazing fills up with bubbles, keeping the heat in. [snip] Hi Nick, Your bubble wall moveable insulation wall is a clever idea, which reminded me of a TV (Discovery Channel?) show I saw fairly recently (~ <1 year) about an artist who makes "sculptures" of double panes of glass with bubbles between. It was quite beautiful, and he got surprising amounts of money for his art, of course art prices always surprise someone like me who has an extensive collection of Black Velvet Elvis & Dogs Playing Poker "art" ;-) Unfortunately, I don't remember much about the TV article. Perhaps someone else does? Bruce Hoglund ____________________________________________________________ NOTE: The thoughts & comments above are mine alone! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 15:48:17 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Re: Geodesic framework as playground equipment > Rob Beezer wrote: > > > > > Could anyone give me some pointers to where I could purchase a kit that > > would create a geodesic dome structure that would be appropriate for > > children to climb on? I'd like to assemble one for use in my backyard. > One of the most interesting type of this that I have seen was on the tv show Beyond 2000 where a New Zealand scientist designed a geodesic type dome playground structure, but it was set up along the ideas of North and south, and the winter and summer solstice, in effect, a very simple real life planetarium that you could learn various information in the real world. It reminded me of the geoscope since there was one spot where you could sit, and look and see the various stars and what not. I've been trying to find out information about it, but so far with no luck. I'm still trying though. Bill Paton ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:00:50 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Subject: Synergetic Atomic Model In Synergetics II 986.862, Bucky explores the relationship between the tetravolume 6 rhombic dodecahedron and the tetravolume 5 rhombic triacontahedron. He also describes two versions of the rhombic triacontahedron: one composed of 120 T Quanta Modules with a volume of exactly 5 tetravolumes and a center to plane-face-center vector of .9995V and one composed of 120 E Quanta Modules with a volume of 5.007758031 tetravolumes and a center to plane-face-center vector of 1.0V . Since the ratio between proton mass and electron mass is 1:.0005 , Bucky wrote that the vectors of the two rhombic triacontahedrons ( 1 and .9995) seemed to display a similar relationship as a neutron and proton/electron pair. 1 = .9995 + .0005 . Further on, (Synergetics II 986.702) Bucky modifies Einstein's E=mc^2 to read E=2V^2 with V representing the center to plane-face-center vector of a given particle model. In the Synergetic Atomic Model, I use the rhombic triacontahedron as a neutron model. But I modified Bucky's equation E=2V^2 to read E=(SumV)^2. I think this is a critical difference since the vectors from a rhombic triacontahedron's center to its vertexes and plane-face-centers are of three different lengths. By summing all the vectors, I include more information in the equation. I then sought to find other geodesic shapes that would produce (SumV)^2 values that were in the same proportion to my neutron model as the observed values for those particle masses. The current version of the Synergetic Atomic Model has proportional geodesic models for neutron, proton, electron, eta, kaon, pion, muon, and tau neutrino. All vector values are strictly relative with the tau neutrino being modeled as a vector-equilibrium/cuboctahedron with a center to vertex vector of s' (Dymaxion Vector Constant / 2). I have a graph showing the comparative curves of Relative Observed Energies & Model Quantized Energies , but on a screen this size there would be no visible difference. The particle models: neutron -- rhombic triacontahedron 939.56 MeV -- 4464.2 V^2 -- 120 Q proton -- vector equilibrium + duo skew icosahedra + E Quanta Module 938.27 MeV -- 4458.3 V^2 -- 120 Q eta -- tetrakaidecahedron + stellated tetrakaidecahedron 547.45 MeV -- 2682.5 V^2 -- 72 Q kaon0 -- pentagonal dodecahedron + stellated tetrakaidecahedron 497.67 MeV -- 2350.2 V^2 -- 60 Q kaon+/- -- pentagonal dodecahedron + tetrakaidecahedron 493.64 MeV -- 2207.1 V^2 -- 60 Q pion+/- -- skew icosahedron + icosahedron 139.56 MeV -- 662.03 V^2 --18 Q pion0 -- tetrakaidecahedron 134.97 MeV -- 632.37 V^2 --18 Q muon -- pentagonal dodecahedron 105.65 MeV -- 476.71 V^2 --12 Q tau neut.- vector equilibrium 35. MeV -- 149.74 V^2 -- 3 Q The Q values represent the work of Tell Andersson (Quanta Modules & Physics). I find something quite satisfying in the tau neutrino being modeled by a vector equilibrium energy vector star and a 3 Quanta mite/isomatrix tetrahedron space wave. I think of it as the Tao neutrino! Obviously this is a visual model that needs to be seen to be appreciated. I think Gerald's Struck program will do a nice job of turning my vectors into phi spiral springs, if I can update my equipment to run it. I also need to incorporate Dan Winter's toroidal field effects generated by phi spirals emanating from dodecahedra. The Synergetic Atomic Model is currently a 60+ page pamphlet consisting primarily of pictures of the model shapes. I stopped mailing out hard copies after sending one to Australia (the karma hedgehog was my last pencil and paper effort). From now on I vow to do this electronically, particularly to access the 25,000 address Stanford Linear Accelerator database. I know I've posted most of this before, but Joe asked for an update and I'm all wound up from watching Thinking Out Loud. Babbling On, Quietly - Steven Combs ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:18:13 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: R. Buckminster Fuller Show on PBS. Steve Brant wrote: >I beg to differ, Kirby. When I see how Disney now owns ABC/Capital Cities, >Westinghouse now owns CBS, and General Electric owns NBC (not to mention what >Ruppert Murdoch is doing in the world of media control) I am still very >concerned that there are a few (I'm not sure how many) individuals who are >looking to keep things "the way they like it." > >Control of information, internet or no internet, not to mention politics >(until such day as campaigns are completely funded by public funds) is still >IMHO in the hands of those with the money in this world. > >I'm willing to dialogue on this one. > >Steve Brant I agree with you that lots of people have an investment in the status quo. Not all of them are rich either. However, I think it important to understand that Fuller's villification of capitalism was within certain constraints and was not about inflaming hatred towards some invisible or semi-visible class of controlling individuals. >From Grunch of Giants: In making these observations in regard to inanimate corporations we do not infer antisocial attitudes on the part of the corporate officers. A corporation's executives are elected by its board of directors. The directors are elected by the number of shares of stock as voted directly by their holders or as voted by the holders of their share's proxies. This voting is not on a democratic one stockholder/one vote basis but on an as many votes as sharesowned basis. This being so, the corporations' lawyers have no alternative to reminding any altruistic, socially concerned executives that the corporation is committed by law only to making money for its shareholders, and therefore that any socially concerned, altruistic proclivities of any corporate executive must be realized outside the corporation and at the executive's own expense. ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:36:53 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Affordable housing. "Venter, Dawie" wrote: >In article <9604110809.aa08562@bbs.cruzio.com>, Joe Moore > wrote: > > >> satisfying the pent up demand for really affordable, scientifically-designed >> housing. > >In South-Africa we are going through some interesting changes at >present, the least pleasant of which is to see massive informal >settlements mushroom on vacant land around the big cities. People >are flocking there in search for a "better" life, but the living >conditions in these shanty towns are extremely tough. I would add that many of the people living in these areas were forcibly moved into them from more valuable tracts of land in the way of urban growth patterns. In Cape Town, for example, entire neighborhoods were bull-dozed and people were relocated to the surrounding townships. Also,the 'massive informal settlements' were vast long before any of the recent changes (i.e. are not a direct consequence of the ending of apartheid, but are a continuation of an existing, long term trend). All major cities in South Africa have them, as an underclass needed to do the low pay, menial jobs in the glistening cities where, historically (and now as a matter of unaffordability) the underclass has never been able to live. This is, of course a pattern well-known to the industrialized world (and characterizes the world as a whole, if we think of the megalopolis or 'cosmopolis' surrounded by an labor pool of neglected and exploited humans), but is just more exaggerated in the RSA. The shanty towns of South Africa are most definitely a problem in need of solutions. Many have been tried, including some new housing prototypes. Not all of the communities are of the same low grade either, as Dawie points out (some lack any kind of basic service -- no garbage pick up, no mail delivery, nothing). Domes can be built over large areas, creating basic shelter within which family structures may be engineered more for privacy than for withstanding the elements. How this might work in practice I don't know, and I a don't think shanty towns should necessarily serve as guinea pigs. I see big budgets going for Hollywood blockbusters and wonder why we can't get some useful prototyping out of Hollywood for a change. Build it for the movie (sci-fi no doubt), yes, but get real engineers and design scientists in on the job, so that the props left over have some potential as usable, real-world livingry, not just back lot curiousities at Universal Studios or Disney. Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 21:59:00 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Bucky Books Available Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com A bookstore in Charlottesville, VA called me to offer me the following Bucky books in "good but less than excellent" condition: Book Price Ideas and Integrities $5.95 (Paperback) Operating Manual For $5.47 Spaceship Earth (Paperback) I have both books, and do not need additional copies, but if anyone wants them, call The Book Cellar at 804-979-7787 or write them at: The Book Cellar 316 E. Main St. Charlottesville, VA 22902 If you do not know of these books, they are among the most readable of Bucky's works, in that they present basic concepts in plain english, and avoid complex language. Shipping would be extra, so I would suggest using a credit card to order. The owner is very reputable, and I am willing to vouch for his honesty, something I cannot say about many "antiquarian and used book dealers". I cannot offer pick these books up for anyone, as they are a 2 hour drive from my home, and the weather has (at last!) turned warm enough that I can play catch-up on the non-greenhouse gardening. Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" Have Rest Stops. Why? james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 23:01:28 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: FULLER INFO EXCHANGE BBS Joe Moore wrote: >I just found out by accident that the Fuller Information Exchange BBS run by >Kiyoshi Kuromiya and Richard Bauer in Philadelphia is available by TELNET. No >long distance phone calls! > > telnet://critpath.org/ > > login: fix Hey Joe! Thanks for the tip. I bet this capability has been in place for some time. I was one of the early FIX users who gave up because I couldn't deal with the long distance problem. Being able to Telnet into that Magpie BBS is a dream come true. Question is: is there potential to build community and get work done in that space? Also, those with browsers and an interest in Fuller, and especially with regard to the film Thinking Out Loud: WNET has a Forum page where people can post comments. Some of us have, but I'd say the more the merrier. http://www.wnet.org:80/cgi-bin/bucky-bin/netforum/bf/a/1 Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 00:00:35 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: paul milligan Organization: Nando.net Public Access Subject: Re: A bubble roof? In article <4ko4ig$dpf@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>, nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote: ~~>A quote from _The Unbelievable Bubble Book_, by John Cassidy ~~>(Klutz Press, 1987): ~~> ~~> Once the World's Leading Fizzicist, Dr. Aristid V. Grosse, for many years ~~> the director of the Research Institute at Temple University, spent his ~~> youth in the study of high-energy particle physics. He worked on the ~~> Manhattan Project, joined the faculty at Temple, became president of a ~~> well-known consulting company, published numerous scientific papers and ~~> to all appearances, pursued a dignified, as well as distinguished, ~~> scientific career. Nick, I think you should take a sabbatical, and do a long involved study that features Dr. Grosse standing in front of one of your collectors. After his years on the Manhattan Project, you might get some interesting results, which you could post about. :-) :-) :-) Paul _________________________________________________________ No Disclaimer needed - This is my own PPP account, and my employer doesn't care what I think anyway ! :~) _________________________________________________________ http://www.elitesoft.com/sci.hvac/ is the home page of sci.engr.heat-vent-ac ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:59:24 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: Comments on Thinking Out Load Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <1.5.4b12.32.19960413182710.0075b2bc@pop.teleport.com>; from "Kirby Urner" at Apr 13, 96 11:27 am Kirby Urner writes: > >I was relying on my memory of a book I read by the patent agent who > >granted Bucky his patent. I seemed to remember him writing that it > >was the only patent given out by the U.S. Patent department. > >I certainly could be wrong. Does anyone have a copy of that book. > >Jack Lazariuk > >e.mail lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com > > The patent agent could also have been wrong. > Kirby > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ It was the first UNITED STATES map patent granted since 1900. See intro to map patent in _inventions_. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 23:19:47 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: syn-l: Comments on Thinking Out Load Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com >It was the first UNITED STATES map patent granted since 1900. See intro to >map patent in _inventions_. > > >JOE S. MOORE Still looking into this. The photo-duplicated patent materials I previously pointed out at: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/images/BoormanGlobe.jpg has a Washington, DC lithographer's logo, indicating it's likely part of a US patent application. See: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/images/BoormanStamp.jpg Still looking into it. Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 18:34:23 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Geoff Armstrong Subject: Thinking Out Loud I am clearing my partner's e mail whilst he is away and came across the "Thinking Out Loud" thread. I am only superficially familiar with Bucky's ideas, and living in France did not get to see the film (hopefully it will be available in video later). Geoff has subscribed to this list for a few months now and to be honest most of the technical posts that I have seen are way over my head. I found the thread on Thinking Out Loud extremely illuminating and found myself questioning my inherent responses to the "scarcity as economic model", which I have taken to be matter of fact in the past. Whatever the failings of the film, the discussion it spawned had me calling the States to order Bucky books (thanks James Fischer). I think it is inevitable that the film will fall short for those already converted, but if it opens the doors for those who are receptive but lack exposure to the ideas, then surely it will have fulfilled its task. Patricia Osborne ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 12:30:17 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BFI CATALOG 4-96 http://www.critpath.org/bfi QUOTE: BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE DYMAXION CATALOG Design Science Educational Resources Phone: (805) 962-0022; Fax: (805) 962-4440; email: bfi@aol.com Updated April 10, 1996 4-D Timelock, 1928. Fuller's first book, written in 1938 discusses what he calls the great economic problem of the age - the home. Extensively illustrated with high quality sketches by Fuller. #100 - $10.00 50 Years of Design Science Revolution and the World Game. This unique compendium of historic newspaper and magazine articles includes commentary documenting Fuller's artifact designs and philosophy, including the historic Fortune issue of February, 1940. #101 - $6.95 Buckminster Fuller: An Autobiographical Monologue/Scenario By Robert Snyder. Fuller's life and work in his own words, copiously illustrated and compiled by Academy Award winning documentary film maker Robert Snyder.C Hardback. #104 - $17.95 Basic Biography of R. Buckminster Fuller. A compilation of Fuller's history in 20 different categories: academic; awards; chronology of past and present prime and secondary functions; publications; Dymaxion Chronofile correspondence, etc.. #105 - $2.95 Bucky for Beginners by Mary Laycock. This workbook style book allows children of all ages to follow a series of simple exercises and have first-hand experience of many principles Bucky taught.C It offers simple methods for building models as well as uncomplicated exploration into synergetics. #106 - $7.95 Collectors' Edition Catalog. Beautiful catalog presents some of Bucky's models as high quality art objects and collectors' items in color. #107 - $2.95 Critical Path In one of Fuller's most accessible and widely read works, he addresses the social, political, cultural and economic issues of our critical path ahead. Highly recommended for those interested in obtaining a overview of Fuller's thinking. Paperback. #109 - $14.95 Education Automation An elegantly simple and pioneering Design Science statement written by Fuller in 1962, Education Automation discloses a prophetic vision of our electronic age and a comprehensive strategy for "re-geniusing" our society. #110 - $7.50 Ho-Ping Food for Everyone by Medard Gabel. This book is the most comprehensive study on the planet's food situation drawn in part from research of the Laboratory from a global perspective. There are 48 world maps plus over 150 charts, diagrams and illustrations detailing food resources and production potential. #111 - $14.95 No More Second Hand God. This collection of poems and essays includes "Omni-Directed Halo" which E. J. Applewhite called one of his two finest essays. #112 - $7.50 Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth. This is one of the most influential syntheses of Fuller's thinking, presenting the then revolutionary concept of Earth as a whole system. #113 - $8.95 Synergetics Stew. This is a book of recipes by Bucky's friends originally printed in the Chautauqua Celebrity Cookbook. #115 - $4.95 Synergetics I: Explorations in the Geometry of Thinking. (E.Applewhite) Fuller's magnum opus presents his system of energetic-synergetic geometry which forms the basis for all of his inventions and concepts. #116 - $21.95 Tetrascroll. Based on the story of Goldilocks and the Three Bears, as used by Fuller to explain Universe to a child with 22 Fuller lithographs. #117 - $7.95 Inventory of World Resources, Document 1. World Resources Inventory. Human Trends and Needs. World Design Science Decade: 1965-75 Phase I. #118 - $15.00 Inventory of World Resources, Document 4. World Resources Inventory. Human Trends and Needs. World Design Science Decade: 1965-75 Phase I. #119 - $15.00 Nine Chains to the Moon, 1971. Fuller's earliest published work. The book's title is based on the idea that if the world's population were to stand on one another's shoulders, it would form nine chains from Earth to the moon and back. The seeds of Fuller's later work can be found in this book and their influence reverberates throughout his subsequent writings. #122 - $17.00 Grunch of Giants, 1983. The title of this short book is Fuller's acronym for "Gross Universal Cash Heist." Written in the 1980s in allegorical form, this serious satire about the rise of multi-national corporations, capitalistic selfishness and the technological revolution emphasizes that our present economic system, and the theories on which it is based are no longer useful because of its false assumption of scarcity. #123 - $10.00 The Buckminster Fuller Reader, edited by James Meller, 1970. This book contains some of Fuller's earliest essays which span a period between the 1920s and 1960s. He explains the genesis of his Dymaxion Map in "Fluid Geography" (1944), talks to post-WWII engineers about his proposed "whole system" dwelling service industry in "Designing a New Industry" (1945-46) and explores elements of comprehensive life-long education in "The Comprehensive Man" (1959) and "Total Thinking" (1949). Other early essays include explanations of Fuller's "Chronofile", the development of his synergetic geometry and housing concepts. #124 - $25.00 Utopia or Oblivion, 1969. Fuller demonstrates that humans now have the technological capability to provide successful living for all, provided we adopt a "Spaceship Earth" viewpoint. Education is key to adopting this viewpoint. This book captures his education philosophy by covering the themes of Spaceship Earth, doing more with less, the false assumptions of Malthusian economics, and the World Game, among others. #125 - $17.00 And It Came To Pass - Not To Stay, 1976. Although Fuller referred to himself as "apolitical", this elegant book written in poem forms distills his social and political philosophy. He outlines our present world crisis and offers predictions and prescriptions for our future. Includes Fuller's 3000 word, one sentence credo "What I Am Trying To Do". #126 - $12.00 Ideas and Integrities, 1963. Although many of the essays in this book date from the 1940s, it is an intimate look at Fuller and his motivations. Includes a section on education in "The Comprehensive Man" that puts forth Alfred Whitehead's ideas on the over specialization of education. #127 - $17.00 Intuition, 1983. This book contains Fuller's poems on brain, mind, love and intuition in an attempt to describe the human mind and spirit. Named after Fuller's favorite sailing craft, "Intuition," this inspiring set of essays is referred to by Fuller as a "metaphysical mosaic". #128 - $12.00 Synergetics Folio - Limited edition The original color posters reproduced in Synergetics Folio represent a distillation of Fuller's synergetic concepts. This publication arose out of an exhibition of Fuller's work at the Penang Museum in March of 1978, probably the first Asian showing of his original Synergetics posters. Bucky was present at this exhibition, where he gave an inspiring and comprehensive opening address. He readily agreed that these limited edition posters should be made available to a wider audience in a convenient format. Synergetics Folio was published with the assistance of Alpha Gallery of Singapore. This out of print book is now a collector's item. #130 - $90 BuckyWorks: Buckminster Fuller's Ideas for Today by J. Baldwin An exciting and provocative book by J. Baldwin presenting Bucky's ideas from a very new and completely "now" perspective. Contains over 150 illustrations. A limited number of autographed copies are available. #133 - $29.95 Around the Universe with R. Buckminster Fuller (Audio) An excellent introductory survey of Design Science thinking. In this program, Bucky discusses cosmic cost accounting, being a "comprehensivist" rather than a specialist, doing more with less, free thinking, experiential knowledge, and the ultimate challenge to the future of humanity. (Formerly known as "Around the Universe in 90 Minutes.") Beautiful new packaging makes this a great gift! 2 cassette tapes. #200 - $15.95 "Everything I Know" Audio Tapes #201-207 - (individually priced @ $35.00/each) "Everything I Know" Audio Tapes In 1975, Buckminster Fuller said, "I can tell you everything I know in 40 to 50 hours." The result of that statement was an extraordinary series of twelve consecutive "thinking out loud" sessions by Bucky over a two week period. Tapes come in 7 six-cassette volumes together with a detailed 24 page log created by E..J. Applewhite which enables listeners to follow entire series of lectures. #208 (set priced @ $225/set) "World of Buckminster Fuller" Videocassette This 85 minute color videocassette documentary by Robert Snyder has been called by the L. A. Free Press, "The definitive, synthesized lecture by one of the great teachers and minds of our time, transcribed in sight and sound the archives of posterity." Includes footage of Dymaxion Car, Dymaxion House, the Montreal Dome and Fuller's summer home in Maine. #209 - $29.95 "Buckminster Fuller: The 50 Year Experiment" Audio Tape This one 90 minute audio cassette records a three part radio show by New Dimensions Radio giving an overview of Fuller's life work - an excellent introduction. #210 - $9.95 "The Dymaxion Laboratory: What the Individual Can Do." Edited video tapes prepared for BFI's educational program, "The Dymaxion Laboratory: What the Individual Can Do," a series of courses that focus on the principles of individual initiative that Fuller discovered. The volume contains six 5 to 15 minute concisely edited segments of Fuller discussing specific topics. Perfect for discussion groups, this volume comes with a manual that includes transcripts of the videos, background and material, and articles by and about Fuller. #211 - 1 (Video & Book) $65.00 #211 (Video only) $39.95 "Modeling Universe" Video This short video directed by Buckminster Fuller's grandson, Jaime Snyder, is an excellent introduction to Bucky viewing and relating to the Universe as the basis for Synergetics. Includes "Modeling the Universe: Topics for Discussion". 15 minutes. #212 - $13.95 The Dymaxion Laboratory: Module II - Experiment in Individual Initiative (video) This is the second volume of the newly edited videotapes prepared for BFI's educational program, The Dymaxion Laboratory: What the Individual Can Do. Drawn from the Everything I Know and Integrity Day sessions, this tape provides a concentrated and accessible collection of Bucky thinking out loud on key points. This volume contains five 10-15 minute segments on the following topics: Doing Your Own Thinking; Dare to Be Naive; Experiments in Individual Initiative; Only the Impossible Happens; and Precession. Comes with a manual that includes transcripts of the video, background material and key articles by and about Fuller. Running time is 50 minutes. #213 - $65.00 Ecological Design: Inventing the Future (video) NEW Conceived and produced by Chris Zelov & Brian Danitz This educational documentary film illuminates the emergence of ecological design in the 20th century. The film features the ideas and artifact prototypes of pioneering designers who have led the development of sustainable design. Winning seven awards on the American film festival circuit, the film includes the interdisciplinary perspectives of such noted designers and thinkers as Jay Baldwin, Mary Catherine Bateson, Stewart Brand, Hazel Henderson, Amory Lovins, William McDonough, Ted Nelson, Paolo Soleri, John Todd and many others. A powerful educational tool, Ecological Design provides a practical and interdisciplinary basis for learning about the environment and about our capability to design a desirable and sustainable future. Running Time: 64 minutes #214 - $34.95 Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud (video) A 90 minute comprehensively biographical film by Emmy award winning and three-time Oscar nominee filmmakers Kirk Simon & Karen Goodman. Contributing their recollections to help recreate Fuller's dramatic life story are his old friends and colleagues (John Cage, Arthur Penn, Phillip Johnson, Merce Cunningham, Paul Goldberger, Al Hirshfield, and Schuyler Chapin). Contains previously unseen personal papers and artifacts. Narrated by Morley Safer. #216 - $39.95 Dymaxion Map Postcards (set of 10) Colored Spaceship Earth postcards. #301 - $1.95/set Raleigh Edition Dymaxion Map This elegant edition of the Dymaxion Map was first designed in Raleigh, NC. The ocean is colored grey and the land masses are softly color coded for mean annual temperatures. It is printed on 34" x 22" 80 lb. glossy stock. #302 - $7.95 Morph-A-Map. NEW A globe, a map, a magnetic puzzle to explore geography, all combined into one great educational toy! Perfect for exploring the transformation of a globe into a flat map, as well as how the world fits together. This six-inch globe uses the new Fuller Projection Satellite Map printed onto 20 beautifully colored, triangular, magnetic puzzle pieces (you probably have a business card or two similar to this on your fridge at home). The pieces fit on a lightweight icosahedron globe base made from recyclable styrene and painted with a thin metallic coating to hold the magnetic pieces. Designed for ages 7 and up. #304 - $29.95 Fuller Projection Satellite Air-Ocean World Map New for the Centenary Celebration, the latest edition in our series of Spaceship Earth (TM) World Maps. Fondly called "Our Spaceship Earth," this map combines the latest in natural color satellite photograph technology with the accuracy of the Fuller Projection to created a truly stunning, cloud-free image of our world. Richly colored blues, greens and ambers glow against a deep, matte black background. Sunlight is fixed at 45 degrees over the horizon in a north-north-east orientation, creating a uniform shadow that clarifies relief for an excellent delineation of the mountains, plains and ocean floor features. Created in collaboration with WorldSat International, the map is printed on 24" x 36" extra heavy-gauge paper. #305 - $16.00 Dymaxion World Puzzle This participatory puzzle facilitates the assembly of the Dymaxion Map to think about the world in a new way. Great for all ages. #307 - $25.00 Vectorsphere. NEW An intriguing, transformable assembly that models wave motion. Precisely built from carbon-steel wire and aluminum tubes, the Vectorsphere will expand into a cuboctahedron and collapse into a cube. It can also be disconnected at two joints, folded inside-out like a sock, and reconnected to form a completely new transformable object. The Vectorsphere can be completely disassembled and reassembled into various other configurations, including chains of linked tetrahedra. Includes an illustrated booklet. For ages 12 to adult. #400 - $42.00 Vector Flexor Also know as the Jitterbug, this is our most famous model toy. Simple and profound, this intriguing model can be transformed into a myriad of geometrical shapes. Fuller says the jitterbug contains "the whole phenomenology of Universe." Made from colorful dowels and latex connectors, instructions are included. #402 - $11.95 Tensegritoy This popular modeling kit is based upon Bucky's principles of tensegrity. Tensegritoy models the distribution of forces in all matter by using tensional and compressional materials together. The kit includes 30 wooden struts, elastic connectors, and an illustrated book. Available in 4 colors: black, blue, red and yellow. (Specify color on the order form.) #403 Black -- $30.00 #404 Blue --- $30.00 #405 Yellow - $30.00 #406 Red ---- $30.00 Tensegritoy Extender Kit Sixty struts and elastic connectors. No instruction manual included. #407 - $46.00 One Piece Carbon 60 Sphere This easy to assemble kit creates a paper buckyball 4 inches in diameter in a matter of minutes. This model is a single sheet which folds into place using tabs. Great for the classroom. #408 - $2.00 Bucky Ball Carbon 60 Molecule Model This easy to assemble model interlocking plastic faces which snaps together to form a buckyball 6.5 inches in diameter. Includes illustrated assembly instructions and educational information on buckminsterfullerene molecules. #409 - $9.95 1,2,3,4 Sphere Kit This geodesic model kit uses isosceles triangles to form a 3 dimensional sphere measuring accuracy. Lightweight and easy assembly, this model can be constructed without tape, glue or staples. #410 - $24.95 Octabug A geometric kinetic puzzle for ages 12-adult. An intriguing project that once assembled becomes an oscillating, multidimensional, kaleidoscopic model of wave motion. Contains eight die-cut and pretaped multicolored paper forms with illustrated instructions for construction and operation. #411 - $8.25 Synergy Ball A paper construction project for ages nine and up. Synergy Ball is an economical way to explore the concepts of tensegrity. It is simple to assemble yet makes a visually intricate and amazingly strong model. The clever die-cut design eliminates cutting and pasting because the pieces lock together instantly. Makes one seven inch diameter sphere. Please note either Blue or Red on order form. #412 - $5.50 Roger's Connection Magnetic Sculpture Toy for ages four and up. Magnets have never been so addictive! Roger's Connection is a luxury construction kit for free-form and regular geometric shapes. The special high power magnets make a satisfying tactile experience while the matte black struts and shiny steel balls make a visual statement that attracts serious builders of all ages. #413 - (Large) $35.00 ; #414 - (Small ) $22.00 Hoberman Sphere This is Fuller's geodesic and great circle models coming to life anew! Made up of six intersecting circles, this 9.5" sphere transforms miraculously into a 30" geodesic sphere when you pull on the outer edges. This new, improved version now comes fully assembled with re-engineered parts made of sturdy polypropylene plastic for more playability. Comes with attached line and pulley for hanging at home or office. Just pull on the bottom hub and the system of polymer links expands. Then, push up and watch it contract. Recommended for school age children to adult. #415 - $49.95 Global Recall version 2.0 This geographical and informational Macintosh software product from World Game provides you with vital statistics about the countries of the world using the Dymaxion Map and Hypercard program. #502 - $70.00 Fuller Projection Dymaxion Air-Ocean World. An elegantly colored version of our Dymaxion Map, combining the best of Fuller's final and most advanced map with our most popular edition, the Spaceship Earth map. Re-designed and published in 1992 with the help of award-winning R. R. Donnelley Cartography Services, the Fuller Projection Air-Ocean World features world temperature zones in attractive colors, updated city names, and includes an illustration showing the transformation of the flat map to a spherical globe. This map measures 23" x 38" and is printed in full-color on 80-lb. glossy paper. Of course, we still offer our best-selling Dymaxion Globe version, which punches out and folds up into a 5-1/2" globe to illustrate the synergetic geometric principles behind this revolutionary design. Wall map #303 - $15.00 Fold-up globe #300 - $6.00 T-Shirt #507 - $16.00 (Printed with water-based inks. This design is printed on front and back on 100% natural unbleached cotton. Blue Dymaxion Map on front and on back reversing the transformation from two to three dimensions. Indicate size on order form: M, L, XL) Tensegrity T-shirt. #505 - $12.95 Synergetica Journal, Vol. 1. - #1 thru #4 and Vol. 2 - #1 This debut journal published by BFI features "The Invention Behind the Inventions: Synergetics in the 1990's by Kirby Urner. Future issues will present scholarly and innovative articles about the latest developments in applied synergetics and Design Science. #701 -705 $3.00 each. Trimtab Back Issues #710 - $2.50 each Everything I Know log. #711 - $1.00 Tensegrity-Introductory Theory (Gripp) photocopy #712 - $3.00 Introduction to R. Buckminster Fuller (Information Pak) #800 - $11.00 Dymaxion Map (Information Pak) #801 - $11.00 Synergetics (Information Pak) #802 - $11.00 Geodesic Dome (Information Pak) #803 - $11.00 Tensegrity (Information Pak) #804 - $11.00 Educational Ideas (Information Pak) #805 - $11.00 Dymaxion Lab Module 1 (Manual) #901 - $20.00 Dymaxion Lab Module 2 (Manual) #902 - $20.00 Dymaxion Lab Module 3 (Manual) #903 - $20.00 UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 09:34:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Barbara Greene Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Subject: Free old thesis info Some friends typed the old thesis in and everyone is welcome to it. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 11:47:11 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: A tensile roof? paul milligan wrote: > nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote: >~~>A quote from _The Unbelievable Bubble Book_, by John Cassidy... >~~> >~~> Once the World's Leading Fizzicist, Dr. Aristid V. Grosse, for many years >~~> the director of the Research Institute at Temple University, spent his >~~> youth in the study of high-energy particle physics. He worked on the >~~> Manhattan Project... published numerous scientific papers and to all >~~> appearances, pursued a dignified... distinguished, scientific career... > Nick, I think you should take a sabbatical, and do a long involved >study that features Dr. Grosse standing in front of one of your collectors. Hey, I don't work at Villanova... I'm always on sabbatical :-) And I don't do "collectors." OK, OK, OK, that bubble roof might not be very practical for the location near the high school, because some students might find it amusing to pop the roof with their knives in fits of pique. So maybe we should cover it with some burlap and chicken wire and 1/2" of cement, and replace the telephone pole posts and beams underneath with 2 x 4s to hold up the plastic film ceiling over the shadecloth. But that lets out daylighting thru the ceiling.... Hmmm. Let's take another more fundamental look. We don't really want sun shining thru the ceiling in summertime, but we do want light and heat coming in thru the south wall in the winter, and we would still like to try to take advantage of the spirit of section 1610.2 of the 1993 BOCA code, which defines a "continuously heated greenhouse" as a production or retail greenhouse with a constantly maintained interior temperature of 50 F or more during winter months... the greenhouse roof material shall have a thermal resistance (R) less than 2.0... Which we'd interpret to mean that one can turn off the bubble pump and reduce the R-value when it is snowing, thus melting the snow with stored solar heat, which is similar to the practice of local commercial growers, who deflate their poly film greenhouse pillows when it snows to reduce their R-value from 1.2 to 0.8. Section 1610.4 of the code goes on to say "The flat-roof snow load on continuously heated greenhouses shall be calculated using the following formula..." which comes out to be 12 psf where I live... And it further drones on: Retail greenhouse: A greenhouse occupied for growing large numbers of flowers and plants and having general public access for the purposes of viewing and purchasing the various products. Included in this category are greenhouses occupied for educational purposes. So how about looking again at something like that tensile structure with the profile shown below, from the east: . . . . . . ferrocement . . . .16'. poly film bubble ceiling . ........... .-24'. . . . . . . chicken . pond . .<- 38' . ->. coop . ............................................p ~~~~~~~~~ p................ thermal storage pond-> ppppppppppp This might look like a 16' x 66' transparent wall from the south. The roof might be made with 4' wide chicken wire strips running north and south, wired together and joined with pressure-treated 2x4s that sandwich the chicken wire, like this: ......... . NS 2x4. ......... -- 1/2" cement -- ccccccccc cccccccccc chicken wire bbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbb burlap pppppppppppppppppppppppp poly film or EPDM ......... . NS 2x4. ......... .............................................................. 2 x 4 on edge, running EW .............................................................. . spacer. . . . . . . ......... steel cable Let's see. How big does the steel cable have to be? If the roof has a nice slump in the middle, and the distance from top to cable is, say, 6', we need roughly 20 psf x 32 x 4'/2 = T 4'/32', where T is the cable tension, so T = 10240 pounds. A 10K/50K diameter steel cable every 4'? That's not bad, but there will be a lot of force trying to collapse the north and south walls inwards... This would work better with a few posts in the middle, as before. Then we can reduce the height of the south roof peak to 16', vs 24'. We don't need THAT much solar heat. Recall that we only needed a roof R-value of 1.7 with bubbles in place to make this work. So the roof might look like this in slightly more detail, with different dimensions: 48' r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r . 32' P ppp P ppp P ppp P P . 16' PpppppppPpppppppPpppppppP PpppppppPppppppp. P P P P P P P 8' .....P.......P.......P.......P... ...P.......P.......P...... PsssssssPsssssss. p is the poly film ceiling here, . . . made in 3 16' x 32' pillows, . . . sloped slightly upwards from . . . north to south, with the bubble PsssssssPsssssss. pipes along the north edge. . . . . . . The poly film would attach along . . . struts s, which would be in PsssssssPsssssss. compression to keep the roof . . . from collapsing. . . . . . . PsssssssPsssssss. There would be a layer of greenhouse shadecloth under the poly film and ropes on 4' centers under that. Struts s might look like this from the south: poly film poly film poly film poly film ww ww aluminum extrusion clamps 30% greenhouse shadecloth ......... . NS 2x4. (on 16' centers) ......... . 2 . <--EW rope . x . EW rope --> ...NS rope... . 4 . ... NS rope... ..... | 4' | There, is that better, Paul? Nick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 18:03:18 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leo Elliott Subject: profits for prophets? Comments: cc: Jim McNelly Joe writes, ----------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:09:57 PDT From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: [Fwd: Your Bio-conversion article] (fwd) In all my 26 years of studying Bucky's ideas, I have never come across a really detailed economic analysis of exactly how much money could be made by satisfying the pent up demand for really affordable, scientifically-designed housing. I've seen studies on how many dwelling units the world currently needs, how many per year need to be produced to meet the demand within a reasonable time, etc, etc. But never how profitable it could be! Why not? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe, I can't help but wonder if this could be the 'missing link', as it were, in Bucky's (and several other 'utopian visionaries', if I may be so bold) scheme of things. This is to say that, while Bucky certainly had his finger on a grass-roots economic need (for affordable and energy-efficient housing), and had technically-workable solutions to this need, AND while he was also able to 'sell' or 'convert' not only the masses who read and heard his prophesies and prognostications, but also the 'Giants' who would have to finance his industrially-based 'design science revolution', he was not, it seems to me, very clear on the economic techniques (or even the necessity?) which would provide for the network of middlemen to market/sell/distribute his dymaxion houses or later inventions. I recognize that Bucky thought the world of Henry Ford, another pioneer in meeting a universal need of the common man (for cheap, reliable transportation), but I can't recall from my reading if Fuller ever endorsed the kind of distribution network that Ford set up, for better or worse. Apart from this kind of provision for distribution and profit-making for the salespeople and Value-added-resellers (?), many a "great idea" or miraculous invention seems to have floundered. Perhaps Bucky thought that there was no 'value' to be added to his dymaxion house, for example, once it left the factory in its air-deliverable cylinder full of parts easily assembled by one or two men, etc. etc. Yet he must have foreseen some kind of a need for licensing or some other methodology of distribution other than the mort-gage system he so detested. And this system would seem to imply the need for re-sellers to make a buck in the passing along. Ford's automobiles were a good deal more ready-to-use than Fuller's houses once they left the factory. (One could also make a case, imo, that Ford catered more to the 'convenience factor' in providing his cars as finished units, whereas Fuller relied on a tertiary order of product assemblers, either owner-users or labor unions, which, as history shows, were far more into protecting their own economic turf than in helping Fuller with his design science revolution.) I know Bucky also stressed the use of local materials, later, to make his domes. But his earlier housing projects seem to have implied the need for the centralized, mass-produced industry which required millionaire- Giants to finance. Bucky seems to have had no problem converting at least some of this type, along with the working-class user who would become the ultimate beneficiary of his dymaxion housing. Is it an overstatement to imply that this lack of provisioning, in Fuller's scheme of industrial production, for the middle-men reseller network, (or perhaps assuming that the middle-men would be just as enrolled as he?) amounts to a significant oversight, and one which may have led to more than one of his business failures? (And possibly have some bearing on how/why Fuller's domes have yet to receive any significant market embrace, despite their technical adequacies? Several months ago I passed on a comment I came across from Stewart Brand, from a review of his new book in the _Utne Reader_, wherein Brand is said to have basically repudiated the notion that domes will ever 'fit in' to a construction industry based on the 4x8 sheet of plywood. Perhaps there was some follow-up to this which I missed?) Leo Elliott homeboy@esinet.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 02:42:55 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: MIR Radar Stethoscope Project Here is an interesting Design Project from MIT for their students. I think it is along the lines of approaches that we could take to work on as Comprehensive Anticipatory Design Scientists. It is a real-life scenario which is an interesting exercise. If anyone is interested in doing it, contact me at:bpaton@inforamp.net and we can work on this. I am also posting a message which is Background to this project. Bill 2.744 Project 2 handout Project 2 Assignment: Design of a product concept Micropower Impulse Radar (MIR) is a new and versatile technology. This $10 radar chip is 25 mm square, 10 mm thick, and will run continuously for eight years on one pair of AA batteries. Potential applications for the device are numerous: stud finders, fluid sensors, motion detectors, and cruise controls are a few possibilities. The Radar Stethoscope An MIR chip can be applied to the chest and used to measure pulse and respiration rate, perform echocardiograms, and detect fluid accumulation in the lungs. An MIR stethoscope also promises improved data-processing potential and the ability to quickly assess and record patient history at the bedside. However, the successful introduction of an MIR stethoscope is hardly a safe bet. The conventional stethoscope is deeply entrenched. It is a simple and reliable friend well-understood by doctors, nurses and patients. In the extreme, one might argue that it is a care-giving icon. On the other hand, the conventional stethoscope is not without shortcomings. Some patients become anxious due to the intrusive nature of the conventional stethoscope procedure, which could affect the diagnosis. At the same time, only the doctor is able to observe the patients' vital signs P and although some patients want to know their stats and actively see test data, there are some situations in which that may not be to the patient's benefit. The Design Task Your task is to design an MIR stethoscope that will be used to obtain FDA approval and foster acceptance in clinical use. Approximately 1000 units will be manufactured for this introduction. The device should be portable. It may incorporate a color LCD display up to 75x75mm. If you decide to include downloading capabilities, assume an RS-232 port is required. While the diagnostic potential of the MIR stethoscope is large, the possibility of initially confusing the user and thereby condemning the product is equally great. Therefore, the design goal is to develop a friendly and self-explanatory device (represented by a visual model) that will, when further developed, introduce the MIR stethoscope to the medical community. As the product designer, you should learn about current stethoscope use and decide on the introductory product's capabilities and form. Required functions and optional capabilities are suggested on the following page. Background information you gather may be emailed to the class (bpaton@inforamp.net) to encourage a cooperative design atmosphere. You will present your final product concept in a series of 10 minute presentations to design review juries on Thursday March 23 (NOT APPLICABLE). The juries (composed of practicing designers) will have an important role in determining your grade. A visual model is required, but supporting visuals (or demonstrations) may also be helpful. If your device has software interface, story boards will be required. You may also render a future generation of the product if you desire. The jury will demand reasonable volume and weight characteristics. For instance, if you decide to incorporate the functionality of a personal digital assistant, it will probably have to be bigger than a credit card! Be prepared to provide the rationale behind your design decisions. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 02:48:05 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: MIR Radar Stethoscope Project Background This information and more can be found at:http://www-lasers.llnl.gov/lasers/idp/mir/files/MIR_info.html This is some background for the MIR Radar Stethoscope Project Background. Bill Paton (bpaton@inforamp.net) Micropower Impulse Radar (MIR) Technology Overview The MIR technology was developed at LLNL in 1993 as an evolution of government sponsored work on radar combined with technology developed for our R&D 100 award-winning 33-gigasample per second transient digitizer. The digitizer was developed to record sub-nanosecond events generated by LLNL's 100-trillion-watt Nova laser. MIR technology is embedded in numerous innovations which are now available for licensing. Generally, a number of the inventions listed below will be bundled into each limited field-of-use license. Some, but not all, fields-of-use currently available for licensing are: 1. Medical 2. Speech Technologies 3. Security and energy conservation 4. Residential, commercial and industrial automation 5. Transportation 6. Entertainment 7. Material evaluation 8. Tools 9. Communication 10. Underground detection 11. Buried military mine and ordnance detection 12. Military, other than buried mine and ordnance detection 13. Radar Camera 14. Other fields not expressly listed or previously excluded Specific inventions are listed below. Additional innovations are in development and can be discussed at LLNL under a non-disclosure agreement. 1. MIR motion sensor, or "stealth" concealable burglar alarm. The MIR motion sensor is a revolutionary security sensor that can be fully concealed behind walls or inside drawers while detecting intruders at ranges up to 20 feet or more. In addition to being able to "see" through walls, it features a sharply bounded detection range that is easily adjusted for any situation. The sensor can be designed to operate continuously for several years using ordinary alkaline batteries, simplifying installation and eliminating dependence on AC main power. The operating principle of the MIR sensor is based on a novel form of radar known as ultrawideband (UWB) impulse radar. A very short electromagnetic impulse is propagated from the sensor and only the echoes that reflect from a defined range are detected. The echo acceptance range, or range gate, forms a thin, invisible detection shell that is projected about the sensor. When an intruder penetrates the shell, the reflected signal within the range gate is modulated and thereby detected. Only motion modulated signals are detected to eliminate triggering on stationary room "clutter." MIR can also project a set of shells to generate a filled volume of sensitivity. MIR does not respond to objects outside its range gate, and it does not false trigger on near objects such as insects. The exact pulse emission and detection times are randomized for three reasons. First, continuous wave (CW) interference, such as from radio and TV station harmonics, may cause beat frequencies with the received echoes that can trigger false alarms. The MIR receiver continuously averages about 10,000 samples of the echoes, and random samples of CW interference are effectively averaged to zero. Second, random operation also means that multiple MIRs can be co-located without interfering with each other. Channel allocations are no longer needed, and a nearly unlimited number of sensors can be co-located even though they occupy the same wideband spectrum. Third, randomizing also spreads the sensor's emission spectrum to the point that it resembles random thermal noise, making it difficult to distinguish from background noise, and thus, quite stealthy. A primary application for the MIR motion sensor is home intrusion detection. As an example of its use, the MIR sensor can be mounted on a ceiling, perhaps disguised as a smoke alarm, and its range gate, or detection shell, can be set to six feet to intercept intruders below while not extending down to the floor where pets may trigger it. Other concealment possibilities spring to mind: in a cookie jar, in a hollowed-out book on a shelf, behind a wall-painting near the front door, or in a shoe box in a closet. In a typical installation, the MIR would use a radio transmitter to alert a central alarm system. With the freedom provided by battery operation and the ability to operate through barriers, MIR can be installed in seconds. Installation typically involves no more than setting the desired operating range and perhaps a radio transmitter code, and then hiding the unit. The MIR sensor provides an unprecedented combination of features: o Ability to "see" through walls, allowing concealment o Sharply defined maximum operating range, reducing false alarms o Several year battery life, simplifying installation o Co-location of multiple units without interference, simplifying installation o Randomized spread-spectrum emissions, making the sensor difficult to detect o Very low cost, using entirely off-the-shelf components o Single silicon chip integration is possible, for low cost and size. General Specifications 360 degrees with a dipole antenna, Antenna pattern 160 degrees with a cavity-backed monopole and (H-plane) narrower with horn/reflector/lens Center frequency 1.95 or 6.5GHz +/-10% Emission bandwidth 500MHz @ 1.95GHz center Average emission power ~1 5W (measured) Duty cycle <1% PRF (average) 2 MHz +/- 20% PRF coding Gaussian noise, or low coherence swept FM, or pseudo-noise Receiver noise floor <1 5V rms Receiver gate width 250 ps for 1.95 GHz system Range delay RC analog, pot/DAC controllable Range delay jitter <1 ps rms Range delay stability RC component limited over temperature (drift in range delay expands/shrinks shell) Detection range adjustable from 2 in. to >20 ft Motion passband 0.3 to 10 Hz, Doppler-like signature Analog output ~0.1-2V peak on motion sensing, hand motion at 6' gives ~300 mV peak Receiver gain 70 dB Power 5 V @ 8mA, normal power mode, 2.5V @ 20uA, long battery life version Size 1.5-in. square SMT PCB with 1.5-in. long wire dipole elements 74AC00 CMOS (1 ea), bipolar or CMOS op amps (2 ea, Semiconductors quads), Si-bipolar RF transistor @ >4 GHz ft (2 ea.), Schottky diodes, Cj (0) <1 pF (2 ea) A recent phase-coding technique has been incorporated that introduces intermediate frequencies to the MIR receiver to make it unresponsive to radio frequency interference. By employing a statistical detector, the MIR receiver becomes desensitized in the presence of interference without ever triggering a false alarm. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 07:37:05 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: thinking (and talking) out loud Leo Elliott wrote: >I was struck watching "Thinking Out Loud" the other night, not >only with the _sight_ of Bucky, in action, in each of the decades >of his life, but almost as much by the sound of his voice >Leo Elliott >homeboy@esinet.net I too was struck by these changes in tone, emphasis, timber. Part of it, I think, was the passage of time. The national tone and timber changed considerably in this decade. Fuller sounded in the 20s like, well, a man in the 20s. He wrote in Critical Path about how radio did a lot to single out a 'proper' voice/accent/enunciation (to which attach tonalities etc.) for the nation as a whole. He said he changed his dress code to 'look like a banker' so that people would pay attention to his ideas, rather than his clothes. I'd say his changes in voice pattern probably likewise had something to do with 'fitting in'. ------------- >From CRITICAL PATH: The people who were selected as broadcasters by the radio stations were selected for the commonality of their diction in contradistinction to the millions of esoteric jargons with which the parents had communicated. The radio people were also picked for the size and richness of their vocabularies and the facility with which they drew upon such conventionalized vocabularies. Because it was self evident to the children that the radio people were greater authorities than their parents, the children now emulated the diction and vocabularies of the radio people. Not to be belittled in their children's estimation, the parents learned the commonly accepted radio people's pronunciation of an ever enlarging conventional vocabulary Within half a century (two human generations) this completely altered and improved the world's languages. ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 07:57:16 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Danu Smith Subject: Re: thinking (and talking) out loud At 11:37 PM 4/14/96, Kirby Urner wrote: >Leo Elliott wrote: > >>I was struck watching "Thinking Out Loud" the other night, not >>only with the _sight_ of Bucky, in action, in each of the decades >>of his life, but almost as much by the sound of his voice >>Leo Elliott >>homeboy@esinet.net > >I too was struck by these changes in tone, emphasis, timber. > >Because it was self evident to the children that the radio people >were greater authorities than their parents, the children now >emulated the diction and vocabularies of the radio people. Not to be >belittled in their children's estimation, the parents learned the >commonly accepted radio people's pronunciation of an ever enlarging >conventional vocabulary Within half a century (two human generations) >this completely altered and improved the world's languages. > >---------------------------------------------------- >Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU >Email: pdx4d@teleport.com >Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ Well! PBS Channel 9 for Northbay Cal finally showed "Thinking Out Loud" last Sun night.....at 11PM! The only chance for us dedicated provincials to see it :) Speaking of generalized diction and provicialism, I was amused by the Southern TV announcer who called him Buck Minister Fuller..... in-out:yin-yang; push-pull:yang-yin; rotate-translate:yin-yang revolution-evolution=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 =00=00 =3D spiral lovelution Hang with yang & Swim in Yin -danu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:39:44 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Mind over Matter (fwd) Helen W. St. Cyr writes: > From svpal.svpal.org!svpal.org!5889ww Mon Apr 15 07:34:24 1996 > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 07:35:23 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Helen W. St. Cyr" <5889ww@svpal.org> > Subject: Mind over Matter (fwd) > To: Joe Moore > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > Hi, Joe, > > FYI. > > Helen > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 10:05:20 +0100 > From:agerley@aix1.danadata.dk > To: ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS > Subject: Mind over Matter > > I am forwarding the below message, which might interest some of you, > since the conference in question deals with the topic of reducing > resource consumption through design. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: o2global@knoware.nl (O2 Global Network) > Subject: O2 Broadcast: Mind over Matter - immaterial design > > Friday April 19, 1996, from approximately 11.00 to 22.30 Danish time > (5.00 am - 16.30 New York City, 19.00 Friday - 6.30 am Saturday > Australia/Japan), O2 Global Network will provide live e-mail > reporting and discussion of the one day Danish conference : > > MIND OVER MATTER: IMMATERIAL DESIGN IN THE AGE OF MATERIAL LIMITS > > Immaterial or "virtual" design is a new phenomenon in the field of > design. Its importance lies in the belief that it can lighten the load > - both directly and indirectly - on the finite and fragile resources > of our planet. > > Solid evidence shows that a radical reduction in the consumption of > matter and energy is needed within a generation - a factor 10 to 20 > reduction. Designers are challenged to change their traditional > material way of thinking. Success, whether of an individual or of a > company, can no longer be measured in purely material terms. Other > less tangible factors - such as health, well-being, and responsible > and ethical actions - are increasingly seen as critical values. > > More information can be found at > http://www.kulturtilskud.min.dk/Designfonden/Mom.html > > Speakers: > > Harald Agerley, Danfoss, Managing Director > John Thackara, Netherlands Design Institute, Director (Doors of > Perception) > Claude Fussler, Dow Europe, Vice President > Ezio Manzini, Domus Design Academy, Italy > Thomas Ray, Evolutionary biologist, ATR Human Information Processing > Research Lab > Fumi Masuda, Open House, design producer > and many others.. > > What is an O2 Broadcast? > An O2 Broadcast is a meeting using e-mail. Every 15 to 30 minutes, a > message containing parts of the live report are sent out to all who > attend the meeting. These can send an e-mail in reply with questions, > which are forwarded to the speakers and the other attendees. In this > way, you can remotely 'listen' to the speakers and discuss with them > or with the Internet audience. (As an experiment, the report and the > comments will automatically be published in an WWW page.) > > There are two ways of participating: 1. read and reply to messages > during the conference: you are part of the live Internet audience 2. > receive the whole text in one message afterwards (transcript). We are > especially interested in receiving questions and comments during the > conference, so that we can add a virtual audience to the 'real' > audience in Copenhagen. > > How to join the O2 Broadcast? Send a note to o2global@knoware.nl > stating that you want to attend. Let us know whether you want to > attend as live Internet audience or receive a transcript. You will > receive more details before the conference. Please send the message > well before the conference. > > Kind regards, > > O2 Global Network > > > > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 07:07:30 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Optical concentration of solar energy David Jones wrote: >...does anyone know of a source for a magnifying lens to concentrate sunlight >in a straight line, instead of the usual circular form. Edmund Scientific and 3M sell cylindrical lens material, but for a large area, perhaps a linear parabolic reflector would be less expensive, eg this solar greenhouse and water heater that might be built quickly for less than $1,000 in materials to provide winter space heating and domestic hot water and fresh vegetables and flowers for a nearby home or the urban building or swimming pool underneath a flat roof. . --- . . . . <- S. . 12' . y . (32' long) . | z / .| / . / . / x <...........................f............. --- water trench->. . ..... The reflective sheathing might be screwed to 16' kerfed 2 x 4s bent into a 4.5:1 concentrating parabolic shape, with the reflective surface inside the greenhouse. This reflector would have a focus at about f=2.68' (y^2 = 4fx). Howard Reichmuth, PE, designed the Ecotope greenhouse, a similar structure built 20 years ago near Seattle. He's built several steam generators with concentration ratios of 5 or 6. His advice: "Don't stand in the focus. I almost melted a pair of boots." US Patent number 4,129,120, expired 12/12/95, inventor Norman Saunders, PE, describes an efficient concentrating steam generator using a flat transparent boiler with a dark grate inside, just under the water surface. Copies of US patents can be obtained for $3 each from the Superintendent of Patents and Trademarks, Washington, DC 20231. > The idea is to use for domestic heating and/or energy generation a >linear shaped lens to concentrate solar energy on a pipe where the focus >of the lens corresponds to the shape of a pipe ie. a line of focused >sunlight instead of a spot. Duffie and Beckman's _Solar Engineering of Thermal Processes_, 2nd edition, Wiley, 1991, covers the design of these and other _non-focusing_ Winston CPCs, concentrators which accept all light coming from within a certain beamwidth... >I would guess this to be a cheap item to produce if someone is doing it... Richard Komp is doing it at SunWatt, RR 1, Box 7751, Jonesport ME 04606, 207-967-5945. His hybrid 2:1 concentrating solar panels produce 150 Watts of electric power and 1600 Watts of water heating power simultaneously, rounding up half the usual number of photovoltaic suspects. > I live in Texas and have an abundance of sunlight for most of the >year, so would like to experiment with saving energy and money. Hey, c'mon over to the Renewable and Alternative Energy Conference in Abilene from 4/22-23, where I'll be holding forth on solar closets and sunspaces for house and water heating. The cost is only $40 to cover meals. Call Johnnie Lou Avery at 915-235-7332, or send her a check at Texas State Technical College, 300 College Drive, Sweetwater, TX 79556. Or come to Roland Winston's concentrator workshop in Philadelphia on 5/3, from 10:30-3 PM. $50/person by 4/22, ($15 for students, not including lunch.) Send your checks or Faxes with credit card numbers to Kathleen DeLuca at The Franklin Institute, Benjamin Franklin Parkway at 20th Street, Phila, PA 19103-1194, Fax 215-448-1364. Mike Nicklas, AIA, Bill Marshall, NREL, Robert Bickmire, Institute for Energy Conversion and Morton H. Lerner, Engineering Consultant will also be there. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 07:29:34 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Nick Pine wrote: There was also a 12 year old doing bubble experiments. She discovered that if she doped her standard bubble mix (1/2 cup green Dawn, 3 Tbs glycerin, and 2 quarts of water) by adding 1/4 tsp of lemon juice, the bubbles lasted 111 seconds at 80 F and 506 sec at 45 F, vs 309 sec and 185 sec for the standard solution. 1/4 tsp of maple syrup changed this to 431 and 345 sec. She also tried adding jello, perfume, and another dozen substances... Her parting thought was quite serious: "Dust is the enemy of bubbles." So, led by this little child, let's all buy some glycerin, and try to invent a bubble wall, eg two pieces of single-layer polycarbonate plastic with butyl tape over a plastic 1x3" frame that can be filled between with bubbles at night that emerge from a PVC pipe with a few holes immersed in a soapy solution at the bottom, connected to a small aquarium air pump with a timer? This could be very useful in a passive solar house, like Beadwall. Simple movable insulation. During the day, the sun shines in on some thermal mass, and at night the glazing fills up with bubbles, keeping the heat in... Ohm's law for heatflow is a good start: the amount of heat Q in Btu/hour that flows through a wall with area A ft^2 and R-value R and temps Ti (F) on one side and To on the other, is Q = (Ti-To)A/R. Here's one bubble wall test setup, a 2' cube divided in half by a bubble wall that might have an R-value of 2 when empty and 12 when full. We might make the cube out of 2" Styrofoam with an R-value of 10. One side could be kept at 32 F with some melting ice at the top, with some foam on top and around the ice tray, and the other side could be kept at 132 F with a thermostat and a light bulb, with a piece of aluminum foil to shade the bubblewall from the bulb. How much ice water might we collect in an hour with the bubblewall empty and full of bubbles? What might we get for readings in each case if we hook up the light bulb to a kWh meter? It's nice to have two ways to check the heatflow through the bubble wall. ......................... 70 F room . ice .. . . ......................... . . .. . . . To .. Ti . R10 . 2' 2' . 32 F .. 132 F . . . .. light . . . .. bulb . . ......................... 2' 1' 1' ^ |___ bubble wall It takes 144 Btu to melt a pound of ice, and there are 3410 Btu in a kWh. Nobody seems to have figured this out yet. Here's a hint: 32 F 132 F 70 F ----wwww----|----wwww----|----wwww----70F R10/A (R2 or R12)/4 R10/A ----> <---- ----> Q1 Q2 Q3 Nick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:19:37 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: A lightweight plywood/bubble daylighting roof? (Attn: Hayden Cochran) Nick Pine wrote: >paul milligan wrote: >> nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote: >>~>A quote from _The Unbelievable Bubble Book_, by John Cassidy... >>~> >>~> Once the World's Leading Fizzicist, Dr. Aristid V. Grosse, for many years >>~> the director of the Research Institute at Temple University, spent his >>~> youth in the study of high-energy particle physics... >> Nick, I think you should take a sabbatical, and do a long involved >>study that features Dr. Grosse standing in front of one of your collectors. Well, maybe you don't like all that chicken wire. How about this? Still trying to take advantage of the spirit of section 1610.2 of the 1993 BOCA code, which defines a "continuously heated greenhouse" as a production or retail greenhouse with a constantly maintained interior temperature of 50 F or more during winter months... the greenhouse roof material shall have a thermal resistance (R) less than 2.0... . . . . . . . <-- plywood or OSB under EPDM rubber . . . .20'. poly film bubble ceiling . ........... . . . . . . . . chicken . pond . .<- 38' . ->. coop . ............................................p ~~~~~~~~~ p................ thermal storage pond-> ppppppppppp In more detail, with different dimensions: 48' . r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r . 32' P ppp P ppp P ppp P P . 20' PpppppppPpppppppPpppppppP <--S PpppppppPppppppp. P P P P P P P 8' .....P.......P.......P.......P... pond.P.......P.......P...... PsssssssPsssssssP p is the poly film ceiling here, . E E E . made in 3 16' x 32' pillows, . W W W . sloped slightly upwards from . B B B . north to south, with the bubble PsssssssPsssssssP pipes along the north edge. . E E E . . W W W . The poly film would attach along . B B B . struts s... PsssssssPsssssssP . E E E . EWB are the East West Beams. . W W W . . B B B . r might be 2x4 rafters. PsssssssPsssssssP The roof might weigh about 15 psf, with 12 lb of snow load and 3 lb of dead load. If the plywood or Oriented Strand Board roof has rafters on 2' centers with 8' spans we might have f=1200 psi, W=8x2x15=240 lb, M=WL/8 =240x8x12/8=2880 in-lb, S=M/f=2.4 in^3, b=1.5" and d=sqr(6S/b)=3.09", so we might use 2x4s as rafters. The EWBs need to hold up 32x48x15x15/5/3=1536 pounds over their 16' span, so if M=1536x16x12/8=36864 in-lb, S=30.72 in^3, b=3" ==> d=7.8", so we might use 2 2x10s for EWBs, or a couple of 2x6s with a downwards king post and a wire. Suppose we use diagonal tension supports like this, as seen from the east: 20'P P \ EWB P K EWB P t K / P \ EWB P \ K t P t K / P P K / P \ K t P 8'P..............K...............P................K/.............P P P P P P P P P P pond.P..............................P...............................P... P P P | 32' | If the kingposts K were 6' long, the diagonals t might have an approximate tension T such that 1536/2 = 6T/8 ==> T=1024 lb. Some twangy wires with good attachments... Each post P would have a load of about 32x48x15/12=1920 lb. Suppose they are Eastern Spruce 4x4s with Cp=750 psi and E=1,200,000 psi. Then L/d=8'x12"/3.5" =27<50, C=1920/(3.5"x3.5")=157 psi ...NS rope... . 4 . ... NS rope... ..... | 4' | The struts would only be holding up poly film pillows filled with 1-2' of bubbles. The pillows would act as solar collectors for some of the 960x1.3x20x66'= 1.65 million Btu or 483 kWh/day average sun that would fall on the south wall of the Perkiomen Valley wetlands structure in December. The peak solar power would be about 160 kW. Some of that heat would be stored in the thermal pond, with a little warm water pumped back up through the collapsed pillows infrequently, to melt the snow off the roof. The roof could be painted white underneath, or covered with 4' wide builder's foil under the rafters, with an operable vent door to the rafter cavity, and another to the outside. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:53:43 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: CHUCK HOBERMAN REFS http://www.hoberman.com/associates QUOTE: [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] Here is a list of places where the work of Chuck Hoberman has appeared. Books and Magazines * The New Yorker magazine, April 15, 1991 issue The Talk of the Town column, "Neat" * Discover magazine, March 1992 issue. "The New World of Unfolding Architecture" Cover story. Back issues, if available, may be ordered for $3.95 from Discover, PO Box 420103, Palm Coast FL 32142-0103 USA or call toll free in the US: 800-829-9132. * Sites Architecture magazine. (Issue number 24) Two Articles. Extensive drawings and photographs. Available through Sites at 446 W. 20th Street, New York NY 10011 USA, phone: 212-989-7944. The cost of the magazine is $15.00. Shipping costs within the US is $2.00 for 1st magazine and $.50 for each additional. * A short article in the May/June 1993 edition of ID, (International Design) Magazine. Address orders and inquiries to I.D., PO Box 11247, Des Moines, IA 50340-1247 (In the US call 1-800-284-3728.) * L'Arca, an Italian architecture magazine in Italian and English. #73, July/August, 1993. "The Iris Dome". Ask at bookstores carrying architectural and art books. Or contact: Speedimpex USA Inc., 35-02 48th Ave, Long Island City, NY 11101. Tel. 718-392-7477. * A.D. Architectural Design magazine (Profile No 102 "Folding in Architecture" with an article by Chuck Hoberman. The magazine is distributed by VCH Publishers Inc, Suite 909, 220 East 23rd Street New York NY 10010. US $24.95 plus shipping. * P.A. Progressive Architecture magazine, May, 1994 News Briefs column: "Retractable Dome at MoMA". Call Dennis Lawrence at 203-348-7531 to purchase a copy. * Architecture magazine, June, 1994 Article on MoMA show, "Structural Inventor". * New York Nomadic Design, book by Ronald Christ/Dennis Dollens, Featuring the Expanding Globe installation at Liberty Science Center. Isbn: 84-252-1621-4. Book distributed in the US by Rizzoli International Publications Inc., 300 Park Ave S. New York NY 10010-5399 TEL.(212) 387-3400, Fax: (212) 387-3535. * 40 Under 40, Chuck Hoberman was selected to be among the 40 featured designers and architects in a book published by Vitae Publishing. Available November, 1995. Available at better bookstores and design centers throughout the US, Pacific Rim and Europe. Cost: $34.99. * ANY Magazine, Feb. 1995 "Mech-in-tecture"issue, article titled: Three engineers sitting around talking. * Interiors Magazine, Sept, 1995 issue on 40 Under Forty. Published by BPI Communications, Inc., 1515 Broadway, New York NY 10036. Newspaper Articles * The New York Times, January 26, 1991, Patents Column by Edmund L. Andrews, "Structures Developed For Compact Use". * The Wall Street Journal October 5, 1993. A short article in the Form & Function Column by John Pierson, "Toys,Tents and Domes That Began as Art". * The Greenwich Time, October 16, 1994, "Chuck Hoberman dreams of a world of kinetic architecture" by Sydney Stanton. * The New York Times, March 1994, Art in Review, Review of exhibit at The Museum of Modern Art. * New York Times, March 1995, "ItUs the Future and ItUs Wierd" (Profile of Liberty Science Center). Installations and Shows * A large expanding geodesic sphere which transforms from a diameter of 4 1/2' to a diameter 18' is now completed and installed in the atrium of Liberty Science Center in Jersey City, New Jersey. The museum opened January, 1993. Call 201-200-1000 for information. * A 9' maximum diameter expanding geodesic sphere was installed at Technorama, a science museum in Switzerland near Zurich. For information write: Technorama, Tech-noramastrasse 1-3, CH-8404 Winterthur, Switzerland. Tel. 052 243 05 05, Fax: 052 242 29 67. * "Projects" show at the Museum of Modern Art, New York City featuring The Iris Dome. A 4' diameter Iris-roof model and a motorized room-sized section were installed in the gallery along with computer graphics images. The show ran from February 24th to April 12th, 1994. Brochure essay written by curator, Matilda McQuaid. * Coming Spring 1997: New exhibit of an expanding Hyparparaboloid (spanning 50-feet when open!) at the Los Angeles Museum of Science and Technology. Television (United States) * A show called "Invention" on the Discovery Channel broadcast throughout 1992 and 1993 featuring Chuck Hoberman and his folding structures. Contact Discovery channel viewer information at 301-986-1999. * A piece on CNN, in 1993, by Norma Quarles and featuring the expanding globe at Liberty Science Center. * "Beyond 2000"segment (see below) is currently being aired on the Discovery channel. Call the Discovery Channel viewer information at 301-986-1999 for the next broadcast time. * "The Eddie Files" an educational program for children to be shown in schools and will be aired on Public television starting in late 1995. Episode 103 entitled: "Invasion of the Polygons". Contact: FASE Productions, 4801 Wilshire Blvd, Suite Two Fifteen, Los Angeles CA 90010. Phone: 213-965-8794, Order the tape (20 mins.) through PBS Video: 800-344-3337. * "Dateline NBC" segment, coming sometime in 1996. Television (Outside the US) * "Beyond 2000" Show 17, series 10, 1994. featured Chuck HobermanUs work. For information: Beyond 2000, 34 Hotham Parade, Artarmon NSW 2064 Australia. Ph +61-1-438-5155, Fax: +61-2-439-6549. Internet: beyond@mhs.oz.au; Compuserve: 100036,103. * The science program "Quantum" in Australia first broadcast: May 12, 1993. Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Television Features Dept., GPO Box 9994, Sydney 2001 Australia. * In England, Chuck Hoberman appreared live on the science program, "Tomorrow's World"; BBC, October, 1992. * In Japan, an interview with Chuck Hoberman appeared on cable program, "High-tech Shower", 1992. Products * The HOBERMAN Sphere, a 30"maximum diameter expanding globe for ages 8 to adult is available, in retail shops, art and science museum stores. Comes fully assembled. Suggested retail price: $50 +$5. postage; Call Hoberman Designs Inc. to order: 212-941-6329. * A poster entitled "Unfolding Architecture"is available from Hoberman Designs. (18"x 20" black and white); Cost: $5.00 for each poster plus $3.00 shipping. [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] _________________________________________________________________ Questions? Comments? Write to Hoberman Designs Please report any problems with this web site to the webmaster. All contents © 1996 Hoberman Associates Design by Perry Hoberman Revised 4-10-96 PH END QUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:02:58 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: CHICKEN COOP DOME Hey Nick, When are you going to get around to designing a solar-powered chicken coop dome? Joe -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:17:20 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: AMER SOC OF METALS DOME http://www.asm-intl.org QUOTE: ASM WORLD HEADQUARTERS ASM's World Headquarters is located on nearly 600 acres at Materials Park, in northeastern Ohio. The unique semi-circular building is capped by a striking geodesic dome (119 K picture), invented by R. Buckminster Fuller. The dome stands 103 feet high and is 272 feet in diameter. It is made of 13 miles of extruded aluminum tubing and rods weighing 80 tons, and sits on five pylons. The mineral garden, which contains about 80 raw ore specimens donated by individuals and organizations throughout the world, is located directly beneath the dome. The site has been a popular tourist attraction since its dedication in 1960. WNET in New York has recently produced a special program on "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking out Loud", which details the life and many accomplishments of this 20th century renaissance man. Return to ASM outline. END QUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:01:35 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ann Willmott Andersson <73004.3005@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: CHUCK HOBERMAN REFS Comments: To: Joe Moore Chuck Hoberman's web site address has changed and can now be found at: http://www.hoberman.com/fold Please update any links. --Ann Willmott Andersson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:06:57 -0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Ken G. Brown" Subject: Earth Architecture domes Thhe back cover of Fine Homebuilding mag. for May 1996 has domes! Affordable Domes "I am looking to design housing that will enable two people to create their own home with no machinery and very little money, using the earth beneath their feet as the primary building material," says architect Nader Khalili, who founded the California Institute of Earth Architecture (10177 Baldy Lane, Hesperia, CA 92345; 619.244.0614) in 1992 to develop such housing. _____________________________________________________________________ Ken G. Brown, BscEE, PEng. Internet: kbrown@nisku.blackgold.ab.ca Syngen Industrial Control Phone: 403.986.1203 206 Building B, 5904 - 50th Street Fax: 403.986.5299 Leduc, Alberta, Canada T9E 6J3 _____________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 21:35:13 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Dome-H list Comments: To: "Donald R. Hoflin" In-Reply-To: <193767.ensmtp@hoflin.com>; from "Donald R. Hoflin" at Apr 15, 96 2:55 pm Donald R. Hoflin writes: > list server and are considering doing a list for dome enthusiasts. Is there a There is a Geodesic list for Bucky stuff in general: listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu subscribe geodesic YourFirstName YourLastName ---------- and a Synergetics-l list for his geometry: majordomo@teleport.com subscribe synergetics-l YourFirstName YourLastName > need for such a list? Do you know anyone who might want to help > supervise/moderate such a list? There is no list specializing in geodesic dome technology. Both above lists are unmoderated (though both have an "owner"). So glad you are finally online. Your DOME magazine performs a valuable service. Do you plan to have a list of all prior issues and articles with instructions how to get copies? For your information, the Geodesic list has about 157 subscribers worldwide and is gatewayed to the newsgroup bit.listserv.geodesic which has an estimated 8,000 readers. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 21:49:25 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BF THINKING OUT LOUD "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud" VHS, Color, Stereo, 90 min videotape, US$39.95 Buckminster VHS P. O. Box 2284 South Burlington, VT 05407 USA 1-800-336-1917 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 22:04:17 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Oceana:_A_floating_city_for_the_Future (fwd) Patrick G. Salsbury writes: > From mail5.netcom.com!netcom.com!salsbury Mon Apr 15 21:55:54 1996 > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 21:56:59 -0700 > From: "Patrick G. Salsbury" > Message-Id: <199604160456.VAA15958@mail5.netcom.com> > To: joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > Subject: Oceana:_A_floating_city_for_the_Future > > Oceana: A Proposal For A New Country > > > > > Final Project for > "Society, Technology, and Cultural Change" > Magda C. McHale, Instructor > State University of New York at Buffalo > > Submitted by Patrick G. Salsbury > (salsbury@netcom.com) > May 5th, 1992 > > Permission freely given to reproduce, > {In full, and fully credited, please.} > Please email with comments or questions. > I'd like to know where this is ending up! :) > > ***************** > > The following is a proposal for the founding of a new country on > planet earth. Tentative completion of Phase I (initial construction and > formation of basic self-support systems for 5000 people) is set for the year > 2025. > In this proposal, I will attempt to look at a variety of factors > necessary for consideration in the development and construction of such a > country. Some of the factors to be discussed will be location, construction > materials and methods, power systems, economics and trade, food supply, > education, and industry. > > I. Location > > This country will not be land-based. It will be a completely man-made > structure, situated in the deep ocean. A free-floating city-state that can > expand at will, and perhaps even move about, if desired. It will be starting > off small, as a city, and growing as needs present themselves, and as > population and industry grow. > The reasons for an ocean-based city are many, and the benefits of one > are considerable: > -Given the current and foreseeable socio-political trends of the > current nations of earth, attempting to situate a country on a current land > mass (except perhaps Antarctica) will most likely be met with anything from > public outcry to declarations of war. > -Constructing an entirely new city allows for the use of the most > advanced materials and techniques of construction and also provides a "clean > slate" to work with; there is no existing framework to be built upon, and thus > no limitations or hindering factors to development. > -The city, (which we will call "Oceana," for the sake of argument), > would be outside of the jurisdiction of any one country, and thus would answer > only to International Law. This would be of possibly great benefit, not only > to members of the city, but of the outside world as well. If the city is not > subject to the laws of landed states, then its researchers and scientists > would be able to do medical/drug research that may be impossible on land due > to controlled substance laws. Likewise, other laws that have been enacted over > time for various protectionist reasons (like laws which guarantee one company > protection from competition in order to foster its economic growth) would not > be in effect. Thus, medical and technological research and development could > be carried out which may potentially benefit everyone on the planet. > -There would be no question about who "owns" the "land" of Oceana, as > it is a construct. It would not be subject to frequent raids as the > "homelands" of the Middle East often are. > -Protection from invasion. Oceana's primary function is that of a > service industry, providing for the furthering of human knowledge. If it is > perceived that Oceana "belongs" to the entire planet, and is working as an > independent, large scale research and development center for improving global > conditions, then any country attempting to take violent action towards it will > be attacking the "resources" of the rest of the peoples of earth. > Initially, Oceana will be located in equatorial waters in the Pacific > ocean. This will allow it to take advantage of the warm and fairly calm > weather at the equator for use in power generation, food production, and > economic development as a space port providing frequent space launches. > Equatorial location is desirable for a space port because earth's > rotation at the equator provides the greatest amount of centrifugal force to > assist in launches, and is the most economical place on the planet (energy > expenditure-wise) to launch from. > The warmer surface waters of the equator, in conjunction with the cold > waters of the deep ocean, provides a prime area for Ocean Thermal Energy > Conversion (OTEC) power generation. > OTEC is a process based upon the principles of a heat pump. A > temperature differential is created (in this case, between the warm surface > waters and the cold waters of the deep) and the natural tendency of heat to > flow towards cold is used to drive a turbine and generate power. Thus, a > clean, practically limitless source of energy is employed, with several added > side benefits. > Since the OTEC plant will be bringing up cold water from the deep, > this can be used to simulate naturally occurring Cold Water Upwellings which > are the best sources of fishing in the oceans. The colder water is very rich > in nutrients. Also, cold water is able to hold more oxygen than warm water. > These two factors provide a prime situation for mariculture, or "fish farming" > in holding lagoons built around the city. > Another use of the cold waters of the deep is in the production of > ammonia for industrial and commercial use. Ammonia is used in a variety of > chemical processes, and is a primary ingredient in many agricultural > fertilizers. > > II. Economy > > Oceana's socio-economic structure is based upon the ideas of the > R.I.C.H. Economy, as put forth by Robert Anton Wilson in his "Schrodinger's > Cat Trilogy" and "Illuminati Papers." > R.I.C.H. stands for "Rising Income through Cybernetic Homeostasis." > Essentially, the economy is not based upon the idea of labor and jobs as > end-goals, but upon the idea of employing technology to its fullest extent to > free people up from common labor and allow them to devote their time to the > development of education and mind power. > For the most part, R.I.C.H. employs technology to its greatest > advantage, using labor-saving devices and robotics to replace human workers > whenever and wherever possible. This is not viewed as a "bad thing" in the > R.I.C.H. economy. Structured, as it is, towards the goal of improving human > standards of living, the city and its people view labor as an "old tech" way > of keeping people busy. Time which those people could probably better employ > for themselves in other ways, pursuing their own interests. > The R.I.C.H. model recognizes that people have various interests, and > that people tend to perform better when they are doing a job that they are > genuinely interested in. Keeping this in mind, the workforce is allowed to > self-sort so that people move towards the fields that they are interested in > (and thus care enough about to do a good job) and hopefully, no one ends up in > a position where they "HAVE" to do a job that they really hate. > When faced with this proposition (everyone getting to do what they > want) many people instinctively rebel against the idea, posing questions such > as "Well, who will you get to dig ditches? No one wants to do that!" > Supposing, for a moment, that a floating city would HAVE ditches, the R.I.C.H. > economy participant would reply to the above: "Machines. They can dig faster, > don't get tired, don't take coffee-breaks, and don't get hurt." If this is > countered with: "Well, who's going to BUILD the machines?" then the answer > would most likely be: "People who like robotics and building machines, > obviously." > As to the question of "But what will people do in order to EAT?" the > R.I.C.H. model proposes a solution in the form of "Trade Aids." > Trade Aids are based upon the GNP of a country for the previous year. > The citizenry of this city is viewed as a rather large partnership, and as > such, each person profits when the whole profits. GNP is divided by the number > of citizens, and each person is issued that value in Trade Aids each year. As > GNP increases, so does the amount each person receives (provided population is > constant.) > Essentially, Trade Aids act as money, but with a few limitations: > Trade Aids do not bear interest and they decrease in value at the rate of 1% > of face value per month. Thus, it doesn't benefit people to hoard them, as > they will be completely worthless in 8 years and 4 months (100 months). > However, if people use them, it furthers the economy, as more spending is > being carried out. > Also, since each man, woman, and child receives the Aids, in addition > to whatever salary they may hold, people will still be able to buy food and > clothing, even if they are unemployed for a time, or engaged in schooling. > (This may become more prevalent as jobs become scarcer due to increased > mechanization, but as we've seen, when machines increase production due to > their ability to work longer and quicker than people, GNP increases, which > directly benefits the citizenry...thus, Rising Income through Cybernetic > Homeostasis.) > > III. Education > > Oceana will be very education oriented, with a primary focus on > furthering human knowledge and education, and dispensing same around the > planet with improved designs and solutions to problems. It is hoped to be > almost like a giant university, training people in new ways of thought, and > sending them back out in the world to employ those thoughts and solve current > (and upcoming) crises. > Population, as with most universities, would be mixed, although, at > least at first, while Oceana is relatively small, there would most likely be > some sort of selection process to determine who could become a resident. This > would most likely be similar to applications to current universities and > corporations, to select the people who can initially contribute the most to > the growth of Oceana, and it's establishment as a productive world-member. > Since education is such a focal point of the operations of Oceana, it > is hoped that most dealings of the people will be based upon mutual respect > and intelligent thought. It is hoped that most functions that are currently > carried out by governmental authorities and enforcement agencies will either > be seen as trivial non-issues, or as second nature, and thus requiring no > enforcement. In essence, a society of mature people who respect one another > and think for themselves. > In the event that some law DOES need to be formed, it will, by > default, expire after 10 years, unless it is reviewed and deemed to still be > necessary. This is in view of the fact that society changes constantly, and is > done in an effort to streamline "The System" as much as possible, to prevent > the sort of legal morass that is prevalent in the United States in present > times. > Education, as with most things in Oceana, will be geared towards the > future, stressing application of mind power as well as the highest currently > available technologies. Computers will be of great interest and use, and > information-processing will be a major part of life and trade in Oceana. > > IV. Industry > > Oceana will have a multitude of possible industries, ranging from > aquaculture ("fish-farming"), salt production, and the mining of manganese > nodules from the ocean floor, to power generation and sale of excess power to > the mainlands, and ammonia production through the OTEC plant for sale as > fertilizer (See Figure I). Also, Education, Research and Information > dissemination, and the development of new technologies will be of highest > importance, as well as functions as a Space Port. > > [Diagram missing from ASCII Text Version] > Figure I: An OTEC Ammonia Production Plant > (U.S. Department of Energy) > > Another sea-related resource that may be produced and employed by the > people of Oceana is salt. There are many different salts dissolved in > seawater, and these may be extracted easily by sequential evaporation, a > process which takes advantage of the fact that different salts come out of > solution at different times. Thus, by simply pumping seawater from one > evaporation tank to another at certain points of evaporation, you are left > with an almost pure bed of a certain salt. This can be continued through a > multitude of tanks precipitating out one specific salt in each. > Bromine is derived from ocean salts, and is used widely in pharmacy. > Other salts are used for food processing, chemicals, dyes, textiles, soap, and > use in the tanning processes of the leather industry. > Manganese (Mn) is used in the airplane industry and also in the > chemical industries. It can be found in small "nodules" which are scattered > across the ocean floor. These nodules contain about 30% manganese oxide by > weight, and thus are a much richer source than manganese ore taken from the > ground. The nodules also contain other metals, and are viewed as a very > promising source of metals for the future, since they need merely be > "harvested" from the ocean floor, rather than dug up. > Oceana will remain a free port, without import tariffs, or other > nationalist restrictions. This allows it to attract the most business, which > is a necessity for what is effectively a small island nation. This also should > serve to avoid problems arising from political squabbling between nations. > Oceana should be viewed as a planetary resource and knowledge pool. It should > remain neutral to politics, and work towards the goal of improving living > standards for all humans, so that dissention over things such as "limited > resources" or ignorance can be superceded. > As implied earlier, Oceana's location in international waters will > allow it to conduct medical research with a range of pharmaceuticals which > would be unavailable in any landed states. Given its research orientation, the > medical scientists of Oceana will be able to study a wide variety of > substances, and publish their findings such that other nations may be able to > re-evaluate their positions. (Many pharmaceuticals in the US, for example, > have been declared illegal to even do research on, and without further > research, they can never be proved safe or harmful. Thus, a catch-22 > develops.) Oceana will hopefully be able to provide an escape from that > circular logic. > > V. Food > > Food production, aside from trade with landed states, will be > accomplished primarily with the aforementioned aqua/mari-culture. This is > easily done with the oxygen and nutrient-rich waters brought up from deep > ocean by the OTEC plant. > Pens can be built around or even under the city to hold fish, > shellfish, shrimp, seaweed, or a variety of nutrient- and protein-rich > plankton which can then be harvested and used for either trade, or food stores > of the city itself. > Hydroponics will also be used for traditional land-grown foods, as > this method provides the most output per unit area of any of the currently > known agriculture techniques. This is an important consideration, since space > will be at a premium. > > VI. Power > > Power generation may be carried out by a variety of methods. Among > these are wave energy, solar power, possibly wind (although the equatorial > region is generally calm) and with the aforementioned OTEC heat-exchange > system. (See Figure II) > > [Diagram missing from ASCII Text Version] > Figure II: An OTEC Power Plant > (Lockheed Missiles and Space Company, Inc.) > > There are many designs for systems to capture these types of energy. > Some proposed, and some currently in use. Also, new techniques will be > developed as time goes on. > One other system of particular note is that of Fuel Cells. These are a > chemically based power source that derive electrical energy from chemical > reactions, rather than using combustion to produce heat or drive pistons. > Essentially, a fuel cell is running a reverse hydrolysis reaction. It > chemically combines hydrogen and oxygen, and produces electricity and water. > If you are using pure hydrogen and oxygen as fuels, then your only > waste-product is drinkable water. (Some fuel cells run with a hydrocarbon > based fuel, like methane or propane, and this produces a small amount of > pollution, but not nearly as much as combustion would. (See Chart I) > > [Diagram missing from ASCII Text Version] > Chart I > (Business Week - December 24, 1990 pp. 40-41) > > Fuel cells can be produced in just about any size, from a large-scale > plant that would be able to supply a city, to the 200 pound cells that power > the space shuttle. They can be utilized in cars to provide electric power that > doesn't rely on batteries, doesn't need recharging, and doesn't require a > sunny day. (You just drive up to the "gas station" and pump in more > hydrocarbon fuel, and you can even draw the oxygen straight out of the air if > you use "scrubbers" to filter out the other gases.) > > VII. Construction > > Actual construction of Oceana will be done using non-standard methods > of construction. Since the city must float, care will be taken to use > lightweight, strong materials, and intelligent design, rather than brute force > and lots of concrete. This principle is what architect/designer R. Buckminster > Fuller called Ephemeralization. > By designing intelligently, one can supercede most of the problems in > current construction methods. Using lightweight, high strength, non-corroding > metal alloys along with plastics, ceramics, cermets (a VERY durable > ceramic-metal matrix), and aerogels in the various structural members, > structures can be produced which are not only more durable than most currently > in use, but also lighter in weight, and cheaper in cost when produced in > quantity. > If mass-production designs like geodesic domes are used, a large > quantity of structural members may be produced for a relatively low price, and > construction time is also greatly reduced, since each building doesn't become > a uniquely hand-crafted structure. > The base strata of Oceana will need to be some sort of reinforced > multiple-hull structure. Here again, smaller units, repeated many times will > allow for ease of production, modular construction, and incremental growth of > Oceana as population increases. > The main hulls of the city will most likely be formed by > electrodeposition of the ocean's own minerals, thereby allowing for a > structure that can be "grown" like a coral reef, that can strengthen itself > over time as new material is added, and that can also "heal" any damages > incurred over time, as coral reefs will slowly repair themselves. > The process of electrodeposition is carried out by immersing a piece > of metal in water, and putting a very small electric current through it. This > current begins to attract minerals that are dissolved in the water, and they > being to collect on the metal. In a short period of time, layers of mineral > deposits form on the metal. If a piece of screen or mesh of some sort is used > instead of a simple wire, the electrodeposition process quickly fills in the > gaps of the screen and you end up with a sheet of mineral material similar to > shells and coral. > The electrodeposition process continues as long as current is put > through the metal, so hulls could continue to grow thicker over the course of > months or years if desired. Also, the process can be reversed if the current > is reversed, and the minerals will slowly dissolve back into the ocean. > Thus, if wire-mesh hull shapes were suspended in the ocean waters with > floats of some kind, and an electrical generator or some sort of solar array > is attached to it to provide the low level current, hulls can be "grown" to > provide the basic foundation of the city for a very low price. > I propose the use of circular hulls, roughly hemispheric, and roughly > 50 to 100 meters in diameter as the basic hull unit. The initial hull units > will be placed in a "closest packing" arrangement, starting with one at the > center, surrounded by six, and then extending outwards in any of a variety of > geometric patterns. In this way, hull units can be produced when needed, and > suspended around the outer perimeter of Oceana and new portions can be grown. > (See Figure III) > Once the gaps in the mesh of the hull units have filled in and become > sufficiently electrodeposited to be structurally sound, residual water may be > pumped out of the inverted dome and it will begin to float. Overlaying > material can then be added to make sure the hull unit is firmly attached to > the main body of Oceana and to fill in the spaces between hull units which are > left open by the "closest packing" arrangement. Once this overlay material > (perhaps it would even be sheets of electrodeposited material) is in place, > new construction may be started to expand the city. In this way, Oceana should > be able to grow and adapt very quickly to changing population and commercial > requirements. > > [Diagram missing from ASCII Text Version] > Figure III: Various Closest-Packing Arrangements of Circles > > VIII. Financing > > As with any major undertaking, the question of where the money will > come from is always a consideration. In an undertaking of this magnitude, even > more so. In this light, I would like to borrow an idea from Timothy Leary and > George A. Koopman from their privatized space colony proposal for custom built > H.O.M.E.S. (High Orbital Mini Earths). > In their proposal, Leary and Koopman propose the selling of "shares" > in the H.O.M.E., (in our case, Oceana) for the price of $100,000 per share. > This was calculated, in 1976, to be roughly the minimum cost an individual > would pay for a home on earth, after taking bank financing and mortgages into > consideration. In present day calculations, this may need to be adjusted. > At this price range, the Phase I target of 5000 individuals would > produce a starting revenue of $500,000,000 to work with. As we've seen, the > cost of producing electrodeposited hulls and structural members is very low, > and the use of mass-producible parts and materials for other structures will > help to keep their prices low. Also, as initial industries are set up, outside > research monies and contracts will begin to provide revenues as well. > > IX. Transport > > Since Oceana will be a research institution, a good deal of > experimentation and innovation will hopefully be taking place. It is hoped > that materials, tools, and methods can be developed here that will serve as a > model for the entire planet. > Due to the limited size, initially, of Oceana, there may be little > need for mass transportation, other than perhaps small electric cars, or even, > perhaps, golf cart-type vehicles. (Given that Oceana will be equatorially > located, roofed and windowed transport will probably not be desired other than > to provide shade and keep off rain.) Eventually, however, some sort of light > electric monorail system will most likely be implemented to provide quick > transportation around the city. This will avoid problems of traffic > congestion, and associated pollution problems. > Other options are various fixed-track or "tube" cars that run between > areas, and "moving sidewalks" as are seen in major airports. > > X. The Future > > As Oceana begins to grow, further openings may appear, and new people > may join into the partnership. Hopefully, a good balance can be struck between > population and economic growth, such that Trade Aid National Dividends don't > decrease due to a sudden population boom. > After the completion of Phase I, when Oceana has stabilized, Phase II > may begin, which will include growth of the city, and further functioning as a > Space Port and off-world research and development. Work may begin on Space > Migration and development of space cities and perhaps a lunar base. Asteroid > mining for resources will probably be the most likely avenue for deep-space > construction. > The commercialization of space for use in communications has already > been seen as a very profitable venture. It is generally agreed that medical > research in zero-gravity will produce new pharmaceuticals and methods > unavailable on earth. Those who are first to actualize these goals stand to > gain much, and a private collective of motivated people, such as the people of > Oceana will hopefully be, should be able to accomplish these goals quicker > than any nation presently on earth, by bypassing much of the red tape and > system redundancy. > It is hoped that this proposal has provided a brief view of the type > of integration necessary for successful planning of the future, and provided a > starting point for further thought and investigation by the reader. The future > is ours to do with what we want, and the time has come to gather together and > work towards our goals. > In the words of Xerox PARC researcher Alan Kay: > > "The best way to predict the future is to create it." > > > Bibliography and Further Reading: > > A Fuller Explanation: The Synergetic Geometry of R. Buckminster Fuller (c) > 1987 by Amy C. Edmondson [Design theory, hull geometry] > > Business Week - December 24, 1990 pp. 40-41 [Fuel Cells] > > Earth, Energy, and Everyone (c) 1975 by Medard Gabel and the World Game > Laboratory > > Electrical Power System Training Manual (EPS2102) April 1988 - Mission > Operations Directorate Training Division - Flight Training Branch NASA - > Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center Houston, Texas [Fuel Cells] > > Extropy: The Journal of Transhumanist Thought Published by Max More > (more@usc.edu) Info and subscriptions available from: Extropy P.O. Box 77243 > Los Angeles, CA 90007-0243 (312) 746-5571 [General philosophies] > > H.O.M.E.S. A Real Estate Proposal (c) 1976 by Timothy Leary and George A. > Koopman (Published in Neuropolitique - (c) 1988 by Timothy Leary) [Financing] > > Ho-Ping: Food for Everyone (c) 1979 by Medard Gabel and the World Game > Laboratory > > Essentials of Oceanography (3rd Edition) (c) 1990 by Harold V. Thurman > [Location, weather patterns, ocean resources] > > Schrodinger's Cat Trilogy (c) 1979 by Robert Anton Wilson [R.I.C.H. Economy] > > Space Shuttle Spacecraft Systems (Bibliographic information unavailable - > taken from photocopy) pp. 214-241 - Electrical Power System [Fuel Cells] > > Synergetics: Explorations in the Geometry of Thinking (c) 1975 by R. > Buckminster Fuller [Design theory, hull geometry] > > Synergetics 2: Further Explorations in the Geometry of Thinking (c) 1979 by R. > Buckminster Fuller [Design theory, hull geometry] > > The Illuminati Papers (c) 1981 by Robert Anton Wilson [R.I.C.H. Economy] > > The New York Times - July 26, 1989 [Fuel Cells] > > Special thanks to: > Peter Lange - League City, TX, for his help in obtaining NASA Fuel > Cell information. > Gregory J. Sandelli - South Windsor, CT > Manager - Advanced Programs: International Fuel Cells, for his help in > obtaining Fuel Cell information. > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 07:51:27 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Fwd(2): Re: Dome-H list Comments: To: "Donald R. Hoflin" In-Reply-To: <194308.ensmtp@hoflin.com>; from "Donald R. Hoflin" at Apr 16, 96 2:00 am Donald R. Hoflin writes: > Joe - > We just did put the past issues online - along with the DOME directory. Great! I'll have to check your site again--it's been a while. > Do you know anyone who would be willing to help with a Dome-H list, who has > an interest in actually implementing and doing domes? No; but I'll forward this to both the Geodesic and Synergetics lists in the hope that someone out there may be willing to help you. > We now have a list server (Macintosh) and it would be easy for us to add a > list on domes, but I would need to have someone help supervise/moderate it. > :-) Don -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 07:59:12 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: syn-l: Re: MIME Encoding (fwd) James Fischer writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Tue Apr 16 06:17:50 1996 > Message-Id: <199604161305.JAA15808@crucible.inmind.com> > X-Sender: jfischer@supercollider.com > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 09:15:50 +0000 > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > From: James Fischer > Subject: syn-l: Re: MIME Encoding > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > Joe Moore asked: > > >What is MIME format? > > MIME is the encoding standard invented by Marcel Marceau. > Most people do not use their MIME encoder/decoder, and this > is unfortunate; a MIME is a terrible thing to waste. > > Seriously, there are 3 common ways to attach a binary file > to an e-mail message: > > MIME - Used by many "up to date" e-mailers on PCs. > BinHex - Used by most Macintosh systems, and some PCs. > Uuencode - A Unix utility, ported to nearly everything. > > The only one of the three I know much of anything about is > Uuencode, but I have found that you need all three to get by > on the net. Suffice to say that they all convert an attachment > (which could consist of 8-bit bytes) into "safer" 7-bit bytes > that will survive the abuse of SMTP and other beasties. > > The Supercollider uses a public domain program named m-UnPack > (for MIME UnPack) from Carnegie Mellon Univ. If your e-mail > package will not handle MIME, you can get a pre-compiled > executable for nearly any machine, and run it on a saved > attachment. > > On the other hand, there are more and more shareware e-mail > programs appearing all the time, and it would be nicer if your > mailer did the decoding for you. > > Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" > Have Rest Stops. Why? > > james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 01:36:12 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: money // power In article , "Paul R. Kosuth" wrote: > Better grounded facts than I had (in haste) posted earlier.... > > 1 % of the population owns 40 % of the wealth > They may own 40% of the money, but until they get my son's smile they don't own 40% of the wealth. Jack ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 09:57:22 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ABUNDANCE ECONOMICS http://www.newciv.org/worldtrans/whole.html QUOTE: ABUNDANCE ECONOMICS by Flemming Funch, 26 November 1994. I strongly believe, or desire at least, that we in the not too distant future will see a viable society based on economics of abundance. That is, enough of the members of society will assume a whole-systems view, realize that there really is an abundance of resources and start cooperating in utilizing them best. The current society is based for a great deal on scarcity. The idea that there isn't enough of everything is widespread and gets promoted incessantly in the mass media. Current economics is based mostly on exchanging scarcities. That is, if you OWN something that is scarce and that others want, then you can hoard it and make it available a little at a time to others, for a fee. The majority of the population live in the state of mind of perpetual scarcity. There doesn't quite seem to be enough of everything. You HAVE to work hard to keep up with all the things you HAVE to have, and there always seems to be more that is needed. But really, if I look around me, I don't see scarcity. The nature of this planet is abundant with life and resources. There are plenty of people around who can contribute work. There is plenty of technology to make things easier. So, how come that I, like most people, feel that I don't really own all that wealth, that it all belongs to somebody else, including my belongings bought on credit, and my work which I owe to an employer, and my money which I owe to the IRS. I really don't believe that at all. I think the scarcity idea is fake and that society would work drastically different if enough people see though it and base their actions on abundance. I think scarcity is artificially created and maintained. I suppose that abundance economics would include giving one's ideas and actions freely, because one feels like it, because one sees the need for it, and because one understands that when you contribute to the whole, we all benefit. The Internet is a good example of some of the principles of giving freely and of abundance. So many resources here are given freely, without expecting anything directly in return. So many people are willing to help each other, even though they don't really have to and they don't get "paid" for it. I think there are many times more power in actions that are done freely, because one sees a need for improvement, than in actions that are done reluctantly, because one is forced by lack. - Flemming END QUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:10:19 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ken Starcher Organization: ALTERNATIVE ENERGY INSTITUTE Subject: Re: Optical concentration of solar energy Check out Entech, they have solar collectors that are long troughs and use a thin film to focus light in the center of the valley, then they rotate the entire tube to track the sun. ENTECH P.O. Box 612246 1015 Royal Lane Dallas Ft. Worth Airport, Texas 75261 PH 214-456-0900 fax 214-456-0904 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 11:19:49 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: STAR SHIP EARTH http://www.newciv.org/worldtrans/whole.html QUOTE: STARSHIP EARTH by Donovan Sullivan <DSULLIVO@WOODHILLS.LEGENT.COM> 7 Jun 95. While reflecting on several other threads in wholesys recently, and formulating a response, I started using the 'starship earth' approach. I don't claim any originality, I think Bucky said this some time ago, but I was struck by how useful an analogy it was. For example, starship earth has different decks. The people on those decks have different cultures, based on which deck they are on, and what their 'job' (in an extended sense, their job, their avocations, their hobbies, their assistance) is. People can move between decks. Some of the people don't know there are other decks there. See 'The gods must be crazy' movie for depiction of a culture that didn't know there were all these other 'decks' there. Different decks have different capabilities such as communications, transport, instrumentation, supplies, services etc. The crew tends to have some of the same needs however. Regardless of deck. 1. The crew needs life support (air, food, potable water, bathing water, water for other reasons, raw materials, protection from raditiation, gaseous poisoning). 2. The crew needs freinds, family, and other crew members. 3. The crew needs to communicate, and learn. 4. The crew needs the truth, and trust, and virtue, honesty, and keeping of words, minimal harm, assistance. 5. The crew needs repair capabilities. 6. The crew needs spiritual, philosophical 'food'. It's not clear where starship earth is going. It's not clear that anyone is running the ship. It's not clear that the crew should trust others in the crew who want to run the ship. On the starship earth, the speed of communications between crew members varys dramatically. From no communications, to virtually instantaneous. Some of the crew in the past has tried to take over the entire ship, as they knew it. Relics of the cultures created by the past crew still exist in present, making it confusing to other decks. It's very hard to see that a practice by your deck, isn't done by all decks, but many are not. Such as driving on the right/left of the road, what games are watched heavily, soccer / american football. Relics of common law in the us, the napoleanic code, other legal systems. The crew doesn't agree on a common set of laws, or a common command / service (to command is to serve) structure. Or even a common language. Or even common measurements. Some of the crew is cleaning up some of the decks, and creating a new culture on the ship. This is fought by the crews who want to continue the old cultures. There is a lot of damage to the ship, and a lot of the crew is dying, but there aren't enough damage control parties, or medical personnel / basic life support providers to fix the damage or make sure unnecessary deaths aren't prevented, and the crew brought back. If there is a command center where you can tell accurately what is happening on the ship, it doesnt' seem to exist, or the displays are turned off, or not connected or need servicing, since they are providing much inaccurate data. It's not clear how much life support we have left. The education systems on the ship don't seem to train the crew very well. The people on the ship don't want more crew, and in fact think there should be less crew, but no one actually knows how big the crew should be. The ship started off with a large gene pool with many species but seems delighted in killing off a great deal of that pool. This would be okay, if the crew could create the gene pool again, but this crew doesn't know how to create new parts of the pool. The crew often blames "NATE TOUR", perhaps one of the original builders or captains for what's wrong with the ship. If some of the crew doesn't understand something, or feels that the ship is going wrong, they say NATE TOUR will get the ship, or don't mess with mother "NATE Tour". I guess if Nate is pretty powerful, his mother would be even more impressive. Since NATE Tour and his mother are so powerful, we'd better learn how to live cooperatively with them. There are some larger points I want to make with this analogy (it's not reality - it's an analogy): 1. If this actually was a starship it would be the most screwed up one I ever heard of. 2. Any changes to all of the crew on all of the decks have to contend with the huge variance between capabilities, speed, and culture of the individuals that make up the crew. 3. Let's fix it up any ways. I like this starship, and Nate and his mother. Regards, Donovan L. Sullivan Damage control / Engineering crew member American Deck Starship Earth copyright (c) 1995 Donovan L. Sullivan UNQUOTE -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:44:54 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "John H. Fisher" Subject: Re: money // power >They may own 40% of the money, but until they get my son's smile they >don't own 40% of the wealth. >Jack Very Well Put ____________________________________________________ John H. Fisher jhfisher@ccsi.com Austin, Texas http://www.ccsi.com/~jhfisher/ ____________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:17:38 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: MOTHERBOARD EARTH http://www.newciv.org/worldtrans/whole.html QUOTE: New Circuit Designs for Motherboard Earth by Kirby Urner 4 June 1995 (You saw it first on WHOLESYS-L) I propose we look at starship earth using another metaphor as well: that of 'motherboard earth'. I tip my hat to the criticism that this is another off-base nerdy engineering lense through which to misperceive a living planet and that, although the 'mother' part is apt, linking to circuit boards is just more Newtonian mechanism, more of which we simply don't need. But I don't see it that way myself. I think of the powerful film images I've seen linking urban-scapes from high altitudes with microchips. Good native American- sounding titles like Powasqaatsi and Koyanisqaatsi come to mind (both interesting films). And the energy bathing our motherboard is more than metaphorically electrical. In sum, I don't see 'motherboard' as necessarily whiteman talk at all, but a clear-eyed snapshot of what, in fact, our eco-economy is: a set of spherical circuits, layer upon layer, some phased in with humans just a split second ago, on the geologic timescale. BANKING: THE FEAR OF 'LEAKAGE' Moving on, I look at the psychology of banking, which seems to view this pool of liquid capital, called gold or currency or whatever it is that's convertible to just about anything of value, as the one thing we cannot afford to "leak" away. The whole investment banking circuitry is about wiring up projects and programs and powering them with 'juice' (liquid capital) only if it appears the return will exceed the investment. The only electronics on the motherboard that interests bankers is the kind that 'nets a return' -- meaning it has to return all the juice received, and then some. If I think of my computer as the motherboard, and the wire plugged into the wall as my umbilical link to the sun, then I start to wonder about the intelligence of microcode which plans to starve motherboard assets which are not designed to amplify and return juice. I mean, the way a computer is designed is like a water wheel: current flows downhill to the ground, in the meantime turning wheels which turn other wheels and so on. Yes, the liquid electricity all drains out the bottom, but serious work got done in the meantime. Capacitors and storage batteries pool current for a time, before allowing it to surge onward (the banking idea of savings). But nowhere is the motherboard (the computer I'm using) designed to return juice to the wall -- let alone 'with interest'. I look at TV images of human skeletons, either getting a little charity, or dying in droves, or both, with economists off to the side shaking their heads: no way to organize these humans into projects which will net a return to the bankers, and we can't allow our precious 'juice' to just 'leak away'. So we let our human families starve to death. That's just the way it is... but is nature our model here, or banking? The sun is broadcasting terawatts of energy in our direction, second by second. What we do is insert our programmable circuitry, our gizmos, our wheels turning wheels, and reap the benefits. Within this game, we have liquid asset accounts, and transactions, and trade. But the overall big picture is of a motherboard plugged into the sun -- and human circuitry that is designed to starve large portions of the motherboard based on some dogma about needing to retain precious liquid, currency, without regard for the true state of affairs, which is that the great global ecosystem is not about returning juice to the sun, anymore than my computer is about returning juice to the wall socket. Doing useful work, yes. Keeping energy from flowing downhill, no way. NEW CURCUIT DESIGNS So that's why I propose General Systems Theory, which has a clear view of the sun-powered motherboard, the humanly programmable circuitry which interlayers with nonhuman circuitry, and the pain and suffering of numerous humans who are left out because they don't have magic 'juice returning powers' -- why I propose that GST build itself as antithetical to the juice-worshipping tribes who use their primitive 'economics' to justify the status quo media programming. GST takes inventory of human inventions, artifacts, and storyboards multi-media deployment scenarios, casting humans in new, interesting, intelligent roles, and sees that we have the props, and the actors necessary, to make the real-world scenario entitled: Humans Make a Success of Themselves (lots of subplots). But instead, the old curriculum directors continue to produce episode after episode of The Great Tragedy, claiming that they are the sophisticated ones, whereas we, the success-oriented directors, are naive, because they don't properly understand their Theory of Juice. GST has a different view of juice, it's true. I say we can afford to drive programming, using solar inputs, that will not only prevent starvation, but enroll the starving in new distance education programs that nets them lots of other relevant assets besides food: medical care, shelter, information, entertainment, vehicles for self-expression, opportunities to see more of the planet before they die. I say we don't have to expect our global university students to pay back their scholarships in any silly literal kind of way, but that the work of learning a living, of demonstrating competence, of being a star in world game scenarios worthy of high caliber acting, is repayment enough. Do the work of Making Humans a Success, and forget about 'netting a return' in the traditional bankers' sense. Create wealth (life support), not just more money, and find out how much better off we will all find ourselves in short order. Lets co-invent General Systems Theory to light the way forward. And lets leave Economics behind, in the current Dark Age, where it belongs. Kirby ------------------------------------------------------------ Kirby Urner & Dawn Wicca "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:38:46 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Fred Organization: Intermind.net Subject: Re: Optical concentration of solar energy >David Jones wrote: >>...does anyone know of a source for a magnifying lens to concentrate sunlight >>in a straight line, instead of the usual circular form. There is an interesting product made in Japan called the "sun flower" that focuses sunlight for transmission through a fibre optic cable for lighting indoor/underground areas for growing, etc. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:05:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: money // power In-Reply-To: >They may own 40% of the money, but until they get my son's smile they >don't own 40% of the wealth. >Jack That's marvelous. Also, they DON'T have "40%", according to Bucky; see Hugh Kenner's _Bucky: A Guided Tour of Buckminster Fuller_, for a very different concept of "wealth." Chapter Six, "Dymaxion Messiah." Best Wishes! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:40:32 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Laurie Neverman Organization: Public Energy Systems Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Bruce Hoglund wrote: > > In article <4kl3i4$rv2@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>, nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu > (Nick Pine) wrote: > > [snip] > > > So, led by this little child, let's all buy some glycerin, and try to invent > > a bubble wall, eg two pieces of single-layer polycarbonate plastic with butyl > > tape over a plastic 1x3" frame that can be filled between with bubbles at > > night that emerge from a PVC pipe with a few holes immersed in a soapy > > solution at the bottom, connected to a small aquarium air pump with a timer? > > This could be very useful in a passive solar house, like Beadwall. Simple > > movable insulation. During the day, the sun shines in on some thermal mass, > > and at night the glazing fills up with bubbles, keeping the heat in. > > [snip] > > Hi Nick, > > Your bubble wall moveable insulation wall is a clever idea, which reminded > me of a TV (Discovery Channel?) show I saw fairly recently (~ <1 year) > about an artist who makes "sculptures" of double panes of glass with > bubbles between. It was quite beautiful, and he got surprising amounts of > money for his art, of course art prices always surprise someone like me > who has an extensive collection of Black Velvet Elvis & Dogs Playing Poker > "art" ;-) > > Unfortunately, I don't remember much about the TV article. Perhaps > someone else does? > > Bruce Hoglund > > ____________________________________________________________ > > NOTE: The thoughts & comments above are mine alone! It was on the Discovery Channel, and his sculptures were displayed in malls and airports and other places. I think he had some patents on bubble making apparatus. -- ******************************************************************** Laurie Neverman Public Energy Systems email: pes@netnet.net URL: http://www.netnet.net/energy/ voice: 414-465-6563 fax: 414-4659894 ******************************************************************** Energy Alternatives and More -- Focusing on Applied Solar Technology ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:02:27 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Robert A. Hettinga" Organization: e$ Subject: Re: High Frontier One of the neat things to note here is that Bucky was one of the original board members for Gerry O'Neill's Space Studies Institute. All threads point to Bucky. Cheers, Bob Hettinga -- Robert Hettinga e$ 44 Farquhar Street Boston, MA 02131 The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:04:03 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Full Text/Pictures of Fuller's Patents??? I am looking for some of Bucky's Full Text patents as well as any drawings included for Bucky's inventions. The full texts of his last five as follows are posted in the Buckminster Fuller Institute website, but without pictures. Geodesic Hexa-Pent May 14, 1974 3,810,336** Floating Breakwater February 4, 1975 3,863,455 Non-symmetrical tensegrity February 18, 1975 3,866,366 Floating Breakwater January 30, 1979 4,136,994 Hanging Storage Shelf Unit March 22, 1983 4,377,114 The Dymaxion car patent is posted complete with pictures: Dymaxion Car December 7, 1937 2,101,057 The following patents are not yet posted: Stockade(Building Structure) June 28, 1927 1,633,702 Stockade(Pneumatic Forming Process) July 5, 1927 1,634,900 4D House (April 1, 1928) (1,793) Unpatented* Dymaxion Bathroom November 5, 1940 2,220,482 Dymaxion Deployment Unit(sheet) March 7, 1944 2,343,764 Dymaxion Deployment Unit (frame) June 13, 1944 2,351,419 Dymaxion Map January 29, 1946 2,393,676 Geodesic Dome June 29, 1954 2,682,235 Paperboard Dome April 14, 1959 2,881,717 Plydome September 22, 1959 2,905,113 Catenary November 24, 1959 2,914,074 Octetruss May 30, 1961 2,986,241 Tensegrity November 13, 1962 3,063,521 Submarisle March 12, 1963 3,080,583 Aspension July 7, 1964 3,139,927 Monohex August 3, 1965 3,197,927 Laminar Dome August 31, 1965 3,203,144 Octa Spinner (March 17,1965) (349.021)* Star Tensegrity (octahedronal truss) November 28, 1967 3,354,591 Rowing Needles August 17, 1970 3,524,422 Anything that can be added to this index would be much appreciated. You can e-mail me any information at: bpaton@inforamp.net Thanks in advance. Bill ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:42:14 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DOME MAG DIRECTORY http://www.hoflin.com/DOME.html (Edited for clarity only, JSM.) QUOTE: [IMAGE] DOME MAGAZINE & DIRECTORY [ Hoflin Home Page ] DOME is a magazine about the geodesic dome, invented by Buckminster Fuller. While not a popular building type today, we believe it will be in the future, as it does so much more with so much less. The magazine contains articles, interviews with important dome personalities, a directory of dome services, and much more. The only magazine on domes in the world. 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If you would like to be included, you must subscribe to DOME and request to be included in the free (to paid subscribers) directory. Listed in zipcode order by state. KEY TO ABBREVIATIONS A - architect B - builder D - dealer E - electrical F - foundation G - engineer H - heating I - information J - insulation K - interiors L - landscaping M - manufacturer N - materials Q - other O - owner T - painting P - plans U - plumbing R - realtor V - roofing W - windows ALASKA BMU , - - , Human Endeavors P. O. Box 278 , Healy , AK 99743 ARIZONA IO , - - , Masonry Domes, Mason Rumney P. O. Box 3439 , West Sedona , AZ 86340 CALIFORNIA I , 213-837-7710, Buckminster Fuller Institute 2040 Alameda Padre Serra, #226, Santa Barbara , CA 93103 COLORADO M , 719-596-5337, Earthwhile, David Falasco 4209 Maxwell Road , Colorado Springs, CO 80909 BDV , 719-593-0570, Jack L. Rinehart 5695 Flintridge Drive , Colorado Springs, CO 80918 FLORIDA IO , - - , Frederick F. 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Curtis 122 South 332nd Place, #1208 , Federal Way , WA 98003 WEST VIRGINIA I , 304-863-8283, Libby Auville Route 1, Box 22 , Washington , WV 26181 _________________________________________________________________ [ Hoflin Home Page ] [IMAGE] UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 22:28:00 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: george Organization: Mechanical Engineering Subject: Re: A bubble wall? :> > So, led by this little child, let's all buy some glycerin, and try to invent :> > a bubble wall, eg two pieces of single-layer polycarbonate plastic with butyl :> > tape over a plastic 1x3" frame that can be filled between with bubbles at :> > night that emerge from a PVC pipe with a few holes immersed in a soapy :> > solution at the bottom, connected to a small aquarium air pump with a timer? :> > This could be very useful in a passive solar house, like Beadwall. Simple :> > movable insulation. During the day, the sun shines in on some thermal mass, :> > and at night the glazing fills up with bubbles, keeping the heat in. hmmm...the thermal conductivity of soap film isn't in my heat transfer text. I'm guessing its a reasonable conductor - it your "wall" is thin (like a double paned window) you wouldn't gain anything filling it with bubbles. If you had a thicker wall you might gain something assuming you could get the bubbles to stay put. Of course if your aim is to impress the neighbors go for it :-) -- george george@mech.seas.upenn.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 01:15:17 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: syn-l: Comments on Thinking Out Load OK, I'll agree, first since 1900. But the patent imaged below, granted in 1877, shows why one has to qualify that query to exclude pre-1900 patents: Cite: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/images/BoormanPg1.jpg http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/images/BoormanGlobe.jpg What's shown is a system for mapping the earth using five-fold symmetric polyhedra -- similar (but not identical to) Fuller's technique. Kirby --------------------------------- Joe Moore wrote: >Kirby Urner writes: >> >I was relying on my memory of a book I read by the patent agent who >> >granted Bucky his patent. I seemed to remember him writing that it >> >was the only patent given out by the U.S. Patent department. >> >I certainly could be wrong. Does anyone have a copy of that book. >> >Jack Lazariuk >> >e.mail lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com >> >> The patent agent could also have been wrong. >> Kirby >> Email: pdx4d@teleport.com >> Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ > >It was the first UNITED STATES map patent granted since 1900. See intro to >map patent in _inventions_. > >-- > >JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 20:36:17 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: A bubble wall? george wrote: >...the thermal conductivity of soap film isn't in my heat transfer text. I wonder what heat transfer text you are using. I guess it's like a very thin film of water, or anything else, eg plastic film, as far as stopping convection, and good enough to stop some of the IR radiation, ie the bubble wall would ideally be thick enough or opaque enough slow down IR losses considerably. >I'm guessing its a reasonable conductor - The wall itself, yes, but the air inside the bubble is less conductive. >it your "wall" is thin (like a double paned window) you wouldn't gain >anything filling it with bubbles. Can you define "anything"? :-) >If you had a thicker wall you might gain something >assuming you could get the bubbles to stay put. That's the idea... Nick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 08:20:32 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: GREAT PIRATES http://www.newciv.org/worldtrans/whole.html QUOTE: [IMAGE] THE GREAT PIRATES by Flemming Funch, 7 December 1994. In his book "Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth", in the chapter "Origins of Specialization", Buckminster Fuller tells the story about what he calls "The Great Pirates". This is my greatly shortened version of it: _________________________________________________________________ Some hundreds of years ago the technology of ship building advanced so that it became practical to travel the oceans for extended periods of time. Thus whole new territories were opened to exploration and possible domination. It became clear that it was impractical to assume that the law and order of the land could be applied to the sea. Thus the oceans became a zone of lawlessness and a battleground for whomever chose to enter the arena. It also became clear that those who fared best were those who mastered all the elements of survival at sea and who did their business under the veil of secrecy. It is those who mastered this game that we can call The Great Pirates. A Great Pirate succeeded because of his comprehensive command of a whole set of different disciplines. He had a high proficiency in dealing with celestial navigation, the sea, the storms, the ship, the men, economics, biology, geography, history, and science. The better the Great Pirate could understand and anticipate the whole scene, the better he would do. Great Pirates would travel, bargain, plunder, plan, negotiate, battle, and much more. He would use the science of ship building to amass a fleet, he would use his people skills to manage his crew and to negotiate with representatives of far away lands. He would do his activities out of sight of people on land and of his competitors. A Great Pirate would naturally want to maintain his position, and he had to sleep once in a while. He therefore at first surrounded himself with dull-witted but loyal men of muscle. Only he himself planned and coordinated his operations, and his men simply did what they were told. However, when the Great Pirate expanded his operations it became clear that he needed something more than that. The Great Pirate invented the brilliant scheme of specialization. It is both the way to expand his empire with skilled assistance and at the same time the insurance that only HE will ever know the full picture of what is going on. The Great Pirates started to encourage and employ people of great skill in specialized areas. There might be, for example, a greatly skilled and experienced Navigator. And there might be a master Weapon Builder, an accomplished Master Historian, a Politician, a Ship's Captain, a General, and so forth. Each of those people were cultivated to a high level of skill. But also, it was made clear to each one that they had better stay within their specific field, or they would lose their head. The Great Pirate himself would be the ONLY person who knew the whole picture. He would know the plan, he would know where ships would go and why, he would know what they would find, who they would meet, he would know what to trade and what to steal, he would know who to trust and who not to. None of his people would ever be allowed near the full picture, and none of them could therefore possibly replace him. And thus his position was safe from any coup by those close to him. He always kept the true full picture in utmost secrecy and kept the skills and knowledge of all his people perpetually compartmentalized. Through the ingenious scheme of specialization and compartmentalization of knowledge, the Great Pirates were able to expand their business immensely. They were able to expand their influence into different lands through carefully chosen and educated front people. They would chose local strong men in different territories, supply them with what they needed to assume power, educate them to present a proper public facade, but never giving them the knowledge of all the pieces in the game. The local strong man might be maneuvered into a position of King, assumed by his people to be the utmost authority, but in essence simply being another of the specialized agents of the hidden Great Pirates. The Great Pirate would naturally also cultivate agents in the fields of religion, education, science, military, banking, and so forth, and would naturally be able to play them out against each other if any one of them ever got ambitious beyond his assigned role. The Great Pirate knew the world was round when everybody else were kept in the belief that it was flat. He knew about grand logistical schemes, he knew about international exchange media and trade balancing, and much more. He was the only one who saw the whole picture of the planet and its resources, and was therefore able to play his game totally unnoticed by the vast majority of the population of the planet. All through the magic of specialization ... _________________________________________________________________ It goes without saying that specialization today has become so much part of our society that most people take it for granted. It is perfectly acceptable to base one's whole life and career on a small subsection of a certain very specific subject. It is perfectly acceptable that people are so specialized that most other people have no idea what they are talking about. I find it a VERY enlightening view that this can be regarded as a scheme for keeping people in ignorance so that they can't do anything about the whole situation, and they can't talk with each other. Everybody's busy with their little chunk of the world, so busy that they don't notice what is really going on. Time has come to move beyond this, and this time make the knowledge of whole systems and the interactions between different fields available to greater numbers of people. - Flemming UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:12:08 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Bucky' Windmills? I know from reading "At Home in the Universe" by Alden Hatch that near the end of his life Bucky was involved in researching windmills. I know he didn't patent anything in this area, but I'm wondering if anyone has any knowledge about what work he did specifically in this area. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:38:51 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Bucky' Windmills? In-Reply-To: ; from "bill paton" at Apr 17, 96 12:12 pm 4-17-96 Bill Paton (bpaton@inforamp.net) Dear Bill, Here's the sections about "Wind" in my unfinished RBF MASTER INDEX: WIND: WINDS: WINDPOWER Synergetics 1, sect . Synergetics 2, sect . As World Resource Critical Path, page 221 Blowing of Cosmography, page 104-5 Drafting of Critical Path, page 253 Electric Power Generation and Critical Path, page 208 Geodesic Dome and Critical Path, page 210-12 Petroleum Industry and Critical Path, pages xvii 110 Prevailing Critical Path, pages 34 277 Southeast Drafts of Critical Path, page 277 Tween-Monsoon Easterlies Critical Path, page 17 See: ATMOSPHERIC HIGHS AND LOWS ENERGY ACCOUNTING, INCOME ROARING FORTIES TRADE WINDS WIND-LOADING, IN GEODESIC DOME Critical Path, pages 190, 338 WINDMILL Critical Path, page 249 WINDWORKS Critical Path, page 208 -------------- Plus, here's some refs about wind from _Basic Bucky_: "ENERGY ECONOMICS" by R. B. Fuller, EKISTICS magazine (5-78), PP.164-171. _ENERGY, EARTH AND EVERYONE_ by Medard Gabel (1980), Pages 204-7. "ENERGY THROUGH WIND POWER" by R.B.Fuller, NEW YORK TIMES newspaper (1-17-74) "Wind: The Answer?" by RBF, SOLAR ENGINEERING magazine, 11-79, page 10. -------------- I like the way you have reorganized BFVI! I've decided not to set up my own web pages. How about posting your htmlized BFVI and seeing if anyone picks up on it? Should be tempting--the hard work has already been done. The refs about Bucky's books and articles are in the Geodesic list archive and BFI's volunteer webmaster, Kirby Urner, is aware of that. I haven't talked to him about his plans for the BFI web pages, but I suspect he will be adding a list of Bucky books and articles, as he gets time. He has a family and job that limit the amount of time he can devote to volunteer work. BTW, the Geodesic list archives are searchable by both web and email commands. Faithfully yours, Joe -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:44:19 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: StruckJava (fwd) Gerald A. de Jong writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Wed Apr 17 09:16:09 1996 > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:03:58 +0200 > Message-Id: <199604171603.AA15375@xs1.xs4all.nl> > X-Sender: gdj@xs4all.nl > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > From: "Gerald A. de Jong" > Subject: Re: syn-l: StruckJava > X-Mailer: > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > >What's "Gamelan"? > > www.gamelan.com is currently one of the coolest hot spots for locating > interesting Java applets. you'll find StruckJava under.. > > Education/Mathematics and > Multimedia/Graphics > > they didn't approve a new title "Synergetics" as i requested. :) > > --- > Gerald de Jong, gdj@xs4all.nl, http://www.xs4all.nl/~gdj > [[ the robust i, a distributed 1 ]] [[ i as we ]] [[ earth pull ]] > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 17:56:51 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Albrecht Kadlec Organization: TU Wien Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Hi Nick, nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) writes: > > george wrote: > > >...the thermal conductivity of soap film isn't in my heat transfer text. > > I wonder what heat transfer text you are using. > > I guess it's like a very thin film of water, or anything else, eg plastic > film, as far as stopping convection, and good enough to stop some of the > IR radiation, ie the bubble wall would ideally be thick enough or opaque > enough slow down IR losses considerably. I always care about radiation losses last: conduction and convection losses come first. So from my point of view, it could be a problem that the thing is NOT SOLID: The trick in using bubble plastic is, that the walls are too thin for heatloss via conduction. And the air in the bubbles is trapped in such small bubbles, that no convection can take place in the bubbles. The only losses left are radiation losses. With soap bubbles, the water around the bubble can move: So a water molecule could absorb energy, and while the bubbles are going up, I'd expect warmer bubbles to go up faster. So on each sloping or curved construction they tend to reach the outside pretty soon, losing their heat energy via conduction to the PE film / outside. The bubbles would be great if they were stationary. (not moving) I can't believe they're of great value, when they're moving up, especially, if the air is exhausted to the outside. I'd expect it to be equivalent to have a 50 Watt blower blow air between the two PE sheets which is exhausted through various gaps to the outside. Maybe even worse, since the air would absorb some moisture thus also absorbing heat from the surroundings. (evaporative cooling!!!!) just imagine the HUGE water surface the bubbles create. Evaporative cooling would be eliminated, if the PE sheets were leak free and the water AND air would be cyclead over & over (sucking air from the top to create the new bubbles). So what is left is the cycling of the water & air from the inside sheet to the outside sheet: There would be a significant amount of water running down the inside sheet (it's a curved/sloped construction, and gravity does it's job), absorbing pretty much heat from the inside. Some of this water is then contacting the outside sheet as it's re-bubbled, losing its energy to the outside. What we would need to gain any profit over the blower-alone approach would be an air-tight construction of the two sheets and a liquid that'd produce very "sturdy" bubbles, so that the air-movement rate could be lowered. As long as we're moving much air, we'll be seeing these convection/conduction losses. just my thoughts.... cheers, albrecht ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:38:35 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BOB GILLIS >From an article in Outside magazine, January 1994, entitled: "The Cosmic Conception of Fat Boy" By Henry Godbout QUOTE: The seminal advances in outdoor equipment have usually occurred this way, at the hands of experimenters dissatisfied with the status quo... ............................................In the mid-1970s, an avid backpacker named Bob Gillis, along with designers from The North Face, applied Buckminster Fuller's nature-inspired theories of synergetic geometry to outdoor shelter and devised the geodesic dome tent, a great leap forward over the heavy, unstable A-frames and Pop-Tents of the day. The North Face produced the Oval Intention in 1975 and refined the concept into the lighter, sturdier VE-23 and VE-24, the ancestors of the best tents available today................ END QUOTE. Robert E. (Bob) Gillis Shelter Systems http://www.shelter-systems.com -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:07:55 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: WORLD GAME WORKSHOP --- http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi QUOTE: How to schedule a World Game Workshop _________________________________________________________________ How it works: Most World Game Workshops use the Big Map (35' X 70') as a game board to simulate global problems, resources, and regional interdependence. As participants interact on the map, they are charged with improving the standard of living in their region, and ultimately the world. The Workshops take advantage of sight and sound through props and a full multimedia presentation. The planet becomes a living, interconnected reality rather than a set of isolated statistics. Workshops are conducted by two facilitators from the World Game Institute. Workshop staff consist of highly skilled and motivated professionals who are knowledgeable about world issues, trained in group dynamics and fun to work with. Workshop facilitators will travel to your city from the World Game Institute in Philadelphia, PA, USA, or from a regional office such as the Pacific Northwest. _________________________________________________________________ What you will need: Participants. * The number of participants will depend on the type of workshop you have chosen. World Game Institute will help you publicize the event and attract participants. A large room: * The Big Map we bring is approximately 35 feet by 70 feet. * The room must have clear, clean floor space, at least 40 feet wide, and 70 feet long, or 55 feet square. * We prefer uncarpeted floor. * The room should have good acoustics and the ability to be darkened enough to show slides. * A ballroom is ideal; a gymnasium will do. A/V Equipment: * 2 carousel slide projectors with identical zoom lenses * 1 overhead projector * 1 large screen (big enough for all your participants to see slides) * 1 clear sound system with 2 wireless microphones and cassette tape player * AC extension cords and multi-plugs to access from the middle of the room Time: * Our events are usually 3-5 hours long. * We need 2-3 hours before the event to set up, and at least 1 hour afterward to take down. Fees: * The standard fee for most college or adult World Game Workshops is $3,500 (US Dollars) plus travel costs and expenses for two facilitators and the Big Map. * Pilot programs are being launched in some areas of the world to provide programs for high schools, middle schools and even elementary schools at a lower fee. Right now these places include: Pacific Northwest, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New York, Japan and New Zealand. * We also offer specially designed workshops for corporations or conferences. Please contact the World Game Institute for details and fees. _________________________________________________________________ Bringing a World Game Workshop to your location is easy! If you are located in the Pacific Northwest (including AK, BC, WA, OR, CA, ID, MT), visit the Pacific Northwest Regional Representative. If not, contact the World Game Institute to arrange for a date and contract. You can e-mail to World Game Institute right now! _________________________________________________________________ This page has been accessed 25 times. _________________________________________________________________ Global Recall and The World Game are registered trademarks of World Game Institute 3215 Race St. Philadelphia, PA 19104 USA (215) 387-0220 E-Mail: wgi@worldgame.org Or West Coast/Pacific Northwest office: cdingee@worldgame.org _________________________________________________________________ map © 1995 World Game Institute END QUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:28:34 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: george Organization: Mechanical Engineering Subject: Re: A bubble wall? :>it your "wall" is thin (like a double paned window) you wouldn't gain :>anything filling it with bubbles. : :Can you define "anything"? :-) my premise is that if the gap is thin enough then convection is not a big issue. So the effect of the bubbles is merely to ad an (admittedly small) conduction path. : :>If you had a thicker wall you might gain something :>assuming you could get the bubbles to stay put. I was imagining that you fill the chamber with bubbles and they somehow just stay there. Or are they continuously moving up and breaking with the soapy water draining back to be recycled. (might be pretty anyhow ) -- george george@mech.seas.upenn.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:31:43 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: george Organization: Mechanical Engineering Subject: Re: A bubble wall? :What we would need to gain any profit over the blower-alone approach I'm not getting the blower approach at all. You blow cold outside air through the pane? You blow warm air from inside in and vent it to the outside? Sorry if this is old hat, but you know you posted this to a bunch of groups where we aren't all up on the latest enviro-tech.. -- george george@mech.seas.upenn.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:01:19 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Larry W. Bottorff" Organization: UM@Columbia/Medical Informatics Group Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS Hello, I saw the special, but had some problems with it. Mainly, it seemed a bit to celebrity-business oriented. There were all the famous people giving us their 2-cents worth, then there was the development of all his business ventures. As a parttime follower of Fuller, I was not aware of all the business aspects of his ideas, nor am I all that interested. What the special seemed to duck on was any real hashing out of his theories or ideas about life in general. No mention of synergetics or systems theory. His classic "Great Pirates" discussion in "Operating Manual. . ." could have been forwarded--among many other such gems. Instead, I felt like I had seen some commercial TV special on Lewis Carrol. All in all, I don't think it was put together by "techies", rather, by "artsies" who decided to bail on the real meat. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:25:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: <31754E0F.1607@monk.mig.missouri.edu> >Hello, > >I saw the special, but had some problems with it. Mainly, it seemed a bit to >celebrity-business oriented. There were all the famous people giving us their >2-cents worth, then there was the development of all his business ventures. As >a >parttime follower of Fuller, I was not aware of all the business aspects of etc. Hi. I'm new to the list, and I'm not an engineer, or even an expert on Bucky's stuff; I'm just a girl who wants a domehome! But I appreciate the freedom and "holism" of Bucky's ideas. I've been reading Hugh Kenner's book about Bucky, *Bucky: A Guided Tour of Buckminster Fuller*, and it's been amazing to me. Twenty years ago, Bucky's poetry meant a lot to me - especially his notion that we must now become 'conscious participants' in our own evolution. And now today, reading this one book, I've been so impressed with the integrity and spirituality of his vision. I think this book would answer some of the questions in your post; it's a great read, and even makes his science more understandable to a `non-science' type like me. (I'm building a tensegrity sphere for my brother's birthday, and JEEZ, I actually UNDERSTAND it!!!) I imagine most folks on the list know about this book already, but in case some don't, i mention it again. If you're a "Bucky Layman", like me, it will change the way you think about a lot of things (just as imagining living in a domehome, will change your concept of "housing" forever!) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 01:32:42 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: BFVI-96 html Here is the new and improved BFVI-96. It is already htmlized. We are looking for places that want to post it; feel free. BUCKMINSTER FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE (BFVI OR BUCKY BOOKMARKS)
Compiled by Joe S. Moore and Bill Paton Updated April 15, 1996
* = New or Changed since July 12, 1985
PD = Public Domain
GENERAL INFORMATION: OVERVIEWS, SUMMARIES, ETC. ARTICLES, ESSAYS, ETC. (ELECTRONIC)
Buckminster Fuller Institute
Great online resource. RBF Archives. Publishes "Trimtab"
Synergetics on the Web.(Kirby Urner)
Great webpages and Synergetics resources. Bucky Links.
4D Chronicler
Excellent free online magazine about Bucky. Online back issues.
The R. Buckminster Fuller FAQ
Frequently Asked Questions taken from the Geodesic list.
Bucky's Grand Strategy (by Joe S. Moore)
Excellent Bucky introduction by Joe. S. Moore
WNET-TV (PBS Affiliated Chanel 13, New York, NY)
Great Website with alot of Bucky information, essays, pictures.
21st Century Online
Online Magazine with many Bucky pages.
The Bucky Fuller Travelling Miracle Medicine Show
Pictures and Quotes from Bucky's life by Chris Rywalt. Guinea Pig B essay
Bucky Glossary
Great Glossary of "Fuller words."by Joe. S. Moore
GENI: Global Energy Network:
Interconnection of Global Power for Sustainable Energy Institute.
World Game Institute
Explanation of World Game's Intentions and approach.Software. Resources.Workshops.
Mission Earth
Computer Simulation to help Spaceship Earth.
Windstar Foundation
Founded by John Denver. Organization with Bucky's intentions.
Synagetics Institute Japan
Bucky resources. "Pine Dome" and more.
New Civilization
New Concepts, Inspirations and Visions. Synergetics and whole systems.
Bucky and Whole Systems
Article about Bucky related to whole systems.
World Transformations
Whole systems studies. Bucky links and alot more. Excellent resource.
Bucky Fuller and the Future
Articles by Robert A. Wilson. (Trajectories:The Journal of Futurism and Heresy.)
Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute
An excellent resource for Bucky sources and links by Joe S. Moore.
New Dimensions
Audiotapes, pictures and more about Bucky.Vendors.
Utopia or Oblivion 40 Questions (page 308)
List's Bucky's 40 essential questions and promotes feedback.
Geosphere Project.
One of Bucky's projects coming to life. World Globes.
Essay on Synergetics
Gerald De Jong's essay about Synergetics.
3-D 4-D House
VRML3-D Dymaxion 4-D House
Applied Synergetics
Synergetics on the web. Great links. Software. Utilities
Robert W. Gray's Fuller Notes
Some excellent illustrated notes about Fuller's work. Maps. Links.
Design Online
Assorted Bucky stuff
Pavilion of Polyhedreality
All kinds of Polyhedral designs and links
Geodesic Domes and Charts of the Heavens
History of Geodesic Domes--before Fuller's time
Orbit Magazine on Buckminster Fuller
Some excellent Bucky quotes and pictures.
Essay on Bucky's Definition of the Universe
Interesting Interpretation of Bucky's work.
The Dymaxion House Project Superefficiency Trusts attempt at building a self-sufficient house and car.
Oceania--The Atlantis Project
Bucky's floating islands soon to be a reality?
Kenneth Snelson (Tensegrity Sculptor) and Bucky
Some fascinating articles and pictures of their relationship.
Hoberman Spheres
Chuck Hoberman: called the Fuller of our time.
Friends of Habitat 96
Goal: to create a billion new houses and make the world work.
Comprehensive Anticipatory Design Science
Gopherlike Menu on Geodesic Domes, Fuller articles.Drafting Geodesics.
Geodesic List Monthly Logs
June 1992 to Present Records of Geodesic Newsgroup discussions.
Bucky Public Domain 1
Synergetic Pictures by Joe Moore.
Synergetic Geometry
Synergetic Geometry Images and Animations.
Whole Earth Review
Quarterly Eco Magazine. Inspired by Bucky. Whole Earth Catlog.

NEWSGROUPS, NEWSLETTERS, MAGAZINES (DIGITAL UNLESS NOTED OTHERWISE) LISTS, SUBSCRIPTION (ELECTRONIC NEWSLETTERS)
bit.listserv.geodesic
Command: subscribe GEODESIC YourFirstName YourLastName
Lively mailing list discussion group of RBF's Works.
bit.listserv.geodesic
Same list as a Newsgroup.
Synergetics-l (Synergetics Discussion) majordomo@teleport.com
* Command: subscribe SYNERGETICS-L YourFirstName YourLastName
Discussion mailing list about Synergetics topics.
alt.architecture.alternative
Alternative architecture newsgroup. Alot of Dome threads.
Mission-Earth (Whole Earth Simulation)
* Command: subscribe MISSION-EARTH YourFirstName YourLastName
Whole Earth Simulation mailing list. Similar to World Game.
Wholesys-l (Abundance Economics ) listserv@netcom.com * Command: subscribe WHOLESYS-L YourFirstName YourLastName
Topics about Worldwide abundance mailing list.

INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC)
Discussion of Fuller's Ideas (Sundays)
/join #geodesic
Discussion of Synergetics Modeling (Sundays)
/join #struck

CRITICAL PATH PROJECT (CPP) kiyoshi@critpath.org
* Telnet ConnectionFuller Information Exchange login = "fix"

Bucky Quotes
* Critica l Path (Pages xxi-xxii, 58-9, 78-9)
Quotes about the Great Pirates in history; The East India company.
* Everything I Know (Audio Clip) * Set 1, Tape 5
* How Little I Know (from _What I Have Learned_, ?, editor)
No More Second Hand God * Pages 10-17
Ch 3, pp 41-4
* Dymaxion Car Patent (Text)

BOOKS (PAPER UNLESS NOTED "D" FOR DIGITAL)
Online Academic Press Catalogs (Via Princeton)
Online Academic Press Searchable Catalog
BY BUCKY
4D TimelockPublished 1928. Bucky's First book.
Bucky discusses the great economic problem of the age-the home.
* And It Came to Pass--Not to Stay1976. MacMillan Publishing
Bucky's social and political philosophy in poem form.
* Artifacts of R.Buckminster Fuller, volumes 1-4

* Basic Biography (by BFI staff)
Simple booklet published by BFI
Buckminster Fuller Readeredited by James Meller, 1970. Published by BFI.
Various Bucky essays.
Cosmography: A Posthumous Scenario for the Future of Humanityedited by Kiyoshi Kuromiya.
Bucky's final manuscript with historical background of his ideas.
Critical Path An excellent introduction to Fuller. Simple and easy to follow.
* Earth, Inc.Doubleday and Company 1973. Out of Print
Book ?????
* Education AutomationSouthern Illinois University 1962
Simple statement on education and the electronic age.
* Grunch of GiantsSt. Martins Press. 1983
The "Gross Universal Cash Heist" and the Global Economic Crisis.
* Humans in Universe

* Ideas and IntegritiesPrentice Hall. 1963
An intimate look at Bucky and his motivations.
Intuition1983
Bucky's poems on brain, mind, love and intuition in an attempt to describe the human mind and spirit.
* InventionsSt. Martins Press 1983
The patented works of R. Buckminster Fuller
Nine Chains to the MoonDoubleday 1963.
Various Bucky essays.
* No More Second Hand God Southern Illinois University Press
Bucky's approaches in poemlike form.
* Operating Manual for SpaceShip EarthPenguin Books 1963.
Influential synthesis of Bucky's thinkings of Earth as a whole system.
* R.Buckminster Fuller on Education Some of Bucky' thoughts on education.
* Synergetics (I): Explorations in the Geometry of thinking
All about Synergetics.
Synergetics (II): Explorations in the Geometry of Thinkingwith E.J. Applewhite. 1979
Expands on Vol I. Index for both.
Tetrascroll: Goldilocks & the Three BearsSt. Martins Press 1975.
Explaining Universe to a child based on the fairy tail.
* Utopia or Oblivion: The Prospects for HumanityBantam Books 1969.
Series of lectures on the future of Spaceship Earth.
World Game:Integrative Resource Utilization Planning Tool (DIGITAL)
Table of Contents (PD)

BY OTHERS 50 Years of Design Science Revolution & the World Game (?, ed)

* Barna Leikur (Thorsteinn) (Intro by RBF)

Basic Bucky (PD; D) (Moore)

Bucky: A Guided Tour of Buckminster Fuller (Kenner)

Bucky for Beginners (Laycock) Bucky's 100 (publication pending) (Hoberman, ed)

* BuckyWorks: Buckminster Fuller's Ideas Today (Baldwin)
A practical look at Bucky's ideas today.
* Buckminster Fuller (Pawley)
* Buckminster Fuller (Potter)

* Buckminster Fuller's Universe (Sieden)
An excellent biography of Bucky, explaining concepts in laymans terms.
Buckminster Fuller: Autobiographical Monolog/Scenario (Snyder)

Development Pattern of Geometric Structures (Thorsteinn)

Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller (Marks)
An inspiring book about all of Bucky's inventions.
Dome-It-Yourself Instruction Book (Thorsteinn)
* Dome Scrap Book (Swanson)

EDC Booklet (163 Domes & Projects '72-92) (Thorsteinn)

* Fuller Explanation, A (Edmundson)

* Geodesic and Geolatic Domes & Space Structures (Morgan)

* Geodesic Domes (Van Loon)

* Geodesic Floor Plans (Cathedralite staff)

* Mind's Eye of Richard Buckminster Fuller (Robertson)

Nature's Forms (Thorsteinn)

* Richard Buckminster Fuller, Architect: 20 Yrs of Journal Reviews (Casper)

* Spherical Models (Wenninger)

* Study of a Prototype Floating Community, A (Triton Foundation)
* Nat'l Technical Info Serv
*Synergetic Stew: Explorations in Dymaxion Dining (BFI staff)
Cookbook includes recipes, drawings and poems for Bucky.

Synergetics Dictionary (Applewhite)

WORLD GAME
World Game Article (by Robert A. Wilson)
Good article about the World Game and its role.
What the World Wants...and How to Pay for It (by WGI staff)
How to approach the World Game's solutions.
Doing the Right Things (by Medard Gabel & Evan Frisch)
An essay about the importance of the World Game
* Central Intelligence Agency (US) World Factbooks
Good online sourcebook for World Facts. Planet Earth 1
Planet Earth 2
Satellite Images

DOME MANUFACTURERS WEBSITES
Antennas for Communications, Inc
Makers of Radomes
ArkaTents
Dome tents
Cascade Domes (IMS, Inc.)
Dome Kits, Aluminum frames, catalog. email: ims@domes.com
Dome Technology Co.
Concrete domes Domespace Co. Wood domes. UFO looking rotating domes.
Envisioneering
Triodetic components; domes, trusses, etc. email:envision@ottawa.net
Growing Spaces, Inc.
Greenhouses. email: michael@dnaco.net
KingDomes
EDC Booklet (European design, 163 solutions, kits, math)
Lundahl Scientific
Kits and Dome information email: que@srv.net

Any links to add or change? Contact Joe Moore or Bill Paton ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:32:45 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: LORETTA LORANCE Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS As one of the "artsies" who work on Fuller, I would suggest that you spend some time reading HIS words on his housing designs. Fuller was devoted to developing a low-cost, mass-producable house. This was his true life's work as can be ascertained simply by surveying his career from start to finish. Or, by asking the question: what problem was he continuously trying to solve from the beginning of his career to the end? Many of Fuller's "techy" accomplishments were tools for improving his designs for "machines for living in". Again, I suggest you read what Fuller had to say on this. Also, Fuller wanted, perhaps desperately, to be an "in pirate" of the architectural profession. His housing designs addressed and, in certain ways, fulfilled the tenets of the international style. Fuller did not adhere to the stylistic criteria of modern architecture. This has led some architects, critics and historians, as completely demonstrated by "Thinking Out Loud", to evaluate his designs on their formal, or stylistic, properties, not their theoretical base. That Fuller thought his housing designs were superior to those of Frank Lloyd, Le Corbusier, Walter Gropius and Mies van der Rohe is apparent in his song "Roam Home to a Dome". I suppose these are names one could pull out of a hat, but they are also the names of some of the most important and influential architects of the twentieth century. What was his argument with their architecture and why did he believe a dome to be a better living environment than their houses? I suggest you read the letters appended to his first book "4D Timelock" and his essay on the Bauhaus. Whose "real meat" are we talking about here? Loretta Lorance llorance@email.cuny.gc.edu At 03:01 PM 4/17/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I saw the special, but had some problems with it. Mainly, it seemed a bit to >celebrity-business oriented. There were all the famous people giving us their >2-cents worth, then there was the development of all his business ventures. As >a >parttime follower of Fuller, I was not aware of all the business aspects of his >ideas, nor am I all that interested. What the special seemed to duck on was any >real hashing out of his theories or ideas about life in general. No mention of >synergetics or systems theory. His classic "Great Pirates" discussion in >"Operating Manual. . ." could have been forwarded--among many other such gems. >Instead, I felt like I had seen some commercial TV special on Lewis Carrol. All >in >all, I don't think it was put together by "techies", rather, by "artsies" who >decided to bail on the real meat. > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:42:00 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "david (d.m.) o'farrell" Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In message " Bucky on PBS", GEODESIC@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.edu writes: >>Hello, >> >>I saw the special, but had some problems with it. Mainly, it seemed a bit to >>celebrity-business oriented. There were all the famous people giving us their >>2-cents worth, then there was the development of all his business ventures. As >>a >>parttime follower of Fuller, I was not aware of all the business aspects of > >etc. > >Hi. >I'm new to the list, and I'm not an engineer, or even an expert on Bucky's >stuff; I'm just a girl who wants a domehome! But I appreciate the freedom and >"holism" of Bucky's ideas. > >I've been reading Hugh Kenner's book about Bucky, *Bucky: A Guided Tour >of Buckminster Fuller*, and it's been amazing to me. Twenty years ago, >Bucky's poetry meant a lot to me - especially his notion that we must now >become 'conscious participants' in our own evolution. And now today, >reading this one book, I've been so impressed with the integrity and >spirituality of his vision. I think this book would answer some of the >questions in your post; it's a great read, and even makes his science more >understandable to a `non-science' type like me. (I'm building a tensegrity >sphere for my brother's birthday, and JEEZ, I actually UNDERSTAND it!!!) > >I imagine most folks on the list know about this book already, but in case some >don't, i mention it again. > >If you're a "Bucky Layman", like me, it will change the way you think about a >lot of things (just as imagining living in a domehome, will change your >concept of "housing" forever!) > To add my 2 cents' worth: Before I saw the PBS special, I had only a vague notion of who RB Fuller was and the fact that he had designed the dome. (In fact, we have an often-cited example here in Montreal, namely the US pavilion from Expo '67, now housing the BioDome. Seeing the TV show actually made me aware of the scope of his work, and got me interested enough to take a look on the Web (and subscribe to this list!). I am now looking into constructing geodesic dome mock-ups, in cardboard, plastic, etc. just to get an appreciation for the elegance of the design. By the way, I am even more of a newcomer than some others here who at least show an awareness of the books available. I think a dome would make a novel and useful structure for a "screen-dome" type of gazebo in my back yard. Anyone have an idea where I could get plans to assemble one myself? It would have to be light enough to put up and take down easily (we have winter here!). So I think the show served a useful purpose, even if some die-hards had some problems with it. Dave O'Farrell ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:27:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: <"29026 Thu Apr 18 12:42:22 1996"@bnr.ca> hi dave. a lycos search ("dome" or "geodesic") brought me a lot of info. about different companies offering various types of domes in kits. I am mostly interested in actual houses, but i seem to recall that there were other types of structures as well; perhaps many that you could adapt. I've also seen several books about geodesics; you might be able to build the kind of thing you want from scratch. -agnes ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:07:13 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Albrecht Kadlec wrote: >nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) writes: >> george wrote: >> >...the thermal conductivity of soap film isn't in my heat transfer text. >> >> I guess it's like a very thin film of water, or anything else, eg plastic >> film, as far as stopping convection, and good enough to stop some of the >> IR radiation, ie the bubble wall would ideally be thick enough or opaque >> enough to slow down IR losses considerably. > >I always care about radiation losses last: >conduction and convection losses come first. Sounds like a good idea, until you get up to some temperature. Hmmm. A black body plate with good insulation on the back and no glazing absorbing 300 Btu/hour/ft^2 of sun in still air on a (average Phila December) 36 F day with a US R value of 2/3 should have a temp of 236 F. If it had only radiation loss, ie 0.174x10^-8((T+460)^4-496^4) Btu/hr/ft^2, the temp T might be 234.7 F... It might actually get up to a temperature of 130 F or so. >So from my point of view, it could be a problem that the thing is NOT SOLID: I guess you mean "advantage" when you say "problem"? :-) >The trick in using bubble plastic is, that the walls are too thin for >heatloss via conduction. The thin bubble walls have little conductive thermal resistance for heat flowing perpendicularly thru the wall, but I guess you are talking about heat flowing parallel to the walls, lengthwise, say, somehow making it from one side of a large wall full of bubbles to another, by flowing along the thin bubble walls over a torturous random path from one side of the large wall to the other by conduction. If the bubble walls were very thick, like Swiss cheese, that could happen more easily. >And the air in the bubbles is trapped in such small bubbles, that no >convection can take place in the bubbles. Not as much as if they were big bubbles. >The only losses left are radiation losses. Steve Baer discovered that his bubbles had little IR thermal radiation resistance, because the walls were so thin, he thinks. But he was trying to solve a much harder problem, because he wanted the sun to shine through the bubbles and heat up some water in a dish to 130 F, with no glazing (as I recall.) He wanted his bubbles to have the greenhouse effect, selectively transmitting shortwave solar radiation and blocking longwave IR re-radiation in the other direction. A very nice thing, if possible to arrange. In our case, during the day there would be no bubbles, just 2 layers of glazing, and there would be no evaporation, and the temp inside the room might be 70 F, not 130 F. These bubbles would only be inside the glazing cavity at night, trying to stop ALL heat transfer in the longwave IR and shortwave visible spectra. Bubble walls thinner than light wavelengths look transparent or "black." As they get thicker, they acquire reflections and colors in the visible spectrum. We want bubbles that are at least that thick. Reflective bubbles in the visible spectrum may still be transparent to IR. I suppose these reflections mainly come from Fresnel losses, ie those resulting from the impedance mismatch or difference or between the indexes of refraction of air and water. Each air-water interface might reflect ((n-1)/(n+1))^2 of the incident normal radiation, assuming the index of air is 1 and the index of water is n (what is n for water? Less than glass. It's about 1.5 for glass, which makes the air-glass reflection coefficient rho about 4% at normal incidence. Reflection coefficients go up for non-perpendicular incidence angles. For glass-air with a 60 degree incidence angle, rho becomes 9.3%. There is a complicated formula on page 218 of Duffie and Beckman's book showing how to calculate this, starting with Snell's law.) The index and thus reflection coefficient depends on the wavelength, and rho also depends on the wall thickness somehow, and whether the water has color or not, eg some sort of dye, in the IR spectrum... Absorbing lots of energy in the bubble wall may be almost as good as reflecting it, if there are lots of small bubbles so the heat has to pass from one to the other in a long chain from indoors to outdoors. Letting the heat pass right thru the bubble walls is not good. >With soap bubbles, the water around the bubble can move: You mean the bubble wall itself... sure. Slowly, one hopes. >So a water molecule could absorb energy, and while the bubbles are >going up, I'd expect warmer bubbles to go up faster. I'd hope they wouldn't move much at all. Dr. Grosse's didn't move much. Some of his bubbles lasted more than a year. His principles of bubble health and long life are: 1. Dust is the enemy of bubbles. 2. Carbon dioxide poisons bubbles (better bubbles are not blown by humans), and 3. Bubbles love cold. They also like humidity. _The Unbelievable Bubble Book_ says (in the "Permanent Bubbles" section) As it turns out, bubble death is preventable, or certainly postponable, a discovery most definitely made by Dr. Grosse nearly 30 years ago. Among Dr. Grosse's many other scientific awards and achievements exists the lesser-known fact that he was once the owner of the world's oldest bubble. Prof. Grosse's office was home to a huge collection of aging bubbles in various states of decay. Under Prof Grosse's meticulous care, bubbles did not burst. They flattened. But it was a process that often took many months, in some cases, years. They were created out of an esoteric bubble solution, and protected fromm deadly dust particles by glass bell jars. Prof. Grosse has described his peculiar collection in this way: "My first bubbles all died in infancy. They were blown with much the same kind of soap that Isaac Newton used in his classic bubble experiments. I turned to the literature and found that a much better soap was described more than a century ago by the blind Belgian physicist Joseph A. F. Plateau, who laid the foundations of our present knowledge of soap bubbles. Bubbles blown with Plateau's solution will last for several minutes in an ordinary room and for several hours with proper protection." The book mentions that Plateau also created bubbles lasting more than a year. >So on sloping or curved construction they tend to reach the outside pretty >soon, losing their heat energy via conduction to the PE film / outside. Steve said that as he recalled, this heat transfer by moving mass wasn't a problem. Yes, if you pump air and especially liquid at a high rate thru an empty glazing cavity, that would reduce the cavity resistance, but he said that didn't seem to be a problem. >The bubbles would be great if they were stationary. (not moving) That's the idea. Bubbles that are fairly stationary, with a long lifetime. Humidity is one thing that makes bubbles burst. Dust is another. Neither would be much of a problem inside a glazing cavity. But recall that Dr. Grosse made bubble foams that he hung on his office walls, with no glazing... Sprinkled with sequins, even. >I can't believe they're of great value, when they're moving up, >especially, if the air is exhausted to the outside. I agree this should be a closed system, at least to avoid the buildup of dust. Loss of water and heatloss by massflow out of the cavity would be minor, it seems to me, even if the air were exhausted to the outside. >I'd expect it to be equivalent to have a 50 Watt blower blowing air >between the two PE sheets which is exhausted through various gaps to >the outside. That doesn't sound like a great way to insulate a window :-) >Maybe even worse, since the air would absorb some moisture thus also >absorbing heat from the surroundings. (evaporative cooling!!!!) >just imagine the HUGE water surface the bubbles create. It sure is mind-boggling. But these would be clumped bubbles, not free floating bubbles. A foam. >Evaporative cooling would be eliminated, if the PE sheets were leak >free and the water AND air would be cyclead over & over (sucking air >from the top to create the new bubbles). Good idea. I wonder how to pop the bubbles and separate the water and air at the top, so the air can go thru an aquarium air pump. Something like this? ---------------------------- | ---------------------- | sand filter?--> | | <-- | | <--bubbles | | | | | | ---------- | | | | | - air | --> | | | -- | | pump ---- | | | ---- ---------- | | | <--water |w| | | |wwww| <--water levle | | | -- | | | ---- | | | water return-> | | | --------------------- | ---------------------------- Or maybe the right kind of air pump wouldn't mind pumping a few bubbles, reliability-wise, anymore than it would mind pumping air with 100% RH. >So what is left is the cycling of the water & air from the inside >sheet to the outside sheet: Very slowly, one hopes. >There would be a significant amount of water running down the inside >sheet (it's a curved/sloped construction, and gravity does it's job), >absorbing pretty much heat from the inside. The flow rate seems like an experimental question, and a matter of picking the right bubble solution... And as you say, geometry. The flow rate would be different for a vertical window or a horizontal bubble ceiling or the sloped underside of a bubble cathedral ceiling. It would be nice if these were all minimal water flow rates. Larger air flow rates are (1000 times) more tolerable. . . . . . . . <-- plywood or OSB under EPDM rubber <-- south . . . .20'. poly film bubble ceiling . ........... . . . . . . . . chicken . refl. pond . .<- 38' . ->. coop . ............................................p ~~~~~~~~~ p................ thermal storage pond-> ppppppppppp In the above case it might be nice to try to make the bubbles flow up from the chicken coop along the underside of the sloped roof and over the peak and down the south glazed wall at night. During the day, it would be nice to have bubbles along the sloped ceiling, but not in the south glazed wall. >Some of this water is then contacting the outside sheet as it's >re-bubbled, losing its energy to the outside. Little, we hope. >What we would need to gain any profit over the blower-alone approach >would be an air-tight construction of the two sheets and a liquid >that'd produce very "sturdy" bubbles, so that the air-movement rate >could be lowered. Right. >just my thoughts.... Thanks Albrecht. Time for less gedanken experiments? Nick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:28:41 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS Larry W. Bottorff: >>I saw the special, but had some problems with it. ... >>What the special seemed to duck on was any real hashing out of his theories >>or ideas about life in general. No mention of synergetics or systems theory. ... >>I don't think it was put together by "techies", rather, by "artsies" who >>decided to bail on the real meat. Loretta Lorance: >As one of the "artsies" who work on Fuller, I would suggest that you spend >some time reading HIS words on his housing designs. Fuller was devoted to >developing a low-cost, mass-producable house. ... >Whose "real meat" are we talking about here? i find it perfectly understandable that the film would focus on fuller's housing emphasis. it is not only the most well-known and popular of fuller's many interests, but is arguably the most visually exciting - thus most filmable. to longtime members of the geodesic and synergetics-l mailing lists, however, the film was (accurately) anticipated as something that would bring new people to fuller, and particularly to our internet group. it has had just such a desired effect, as evidenced by the recent posts from newcomers. but one can't help imagining how many *more* people would have been drawn here if the film had devoted even merely a few lines to some of fuller's many other ideas, such as his emphasis on comprehensivity as manifest in synergetics, and the omniapplicability of his design ideas in general - not just to housing and automobiles. housing is certainly an important topic, but there are no doubt many people out there who might not find it compelling enough to allow them to discover the rest of bucky's wealth. but i suspect our complaints about the film are mostly gentle ones. it is having a positive effect, even if the effect might not be as great as some might have wanted. and, as at least one person has pointed out, focusing on a single topic may very well have been a good idea in terms of making it a thematically cohesive film. fuller himself harps against overspecialization, and i think it is easy to feel that the film has overspecialized, but maybe this kind of film is exactly what was needed to pave the way for something more in-depth, something that might be worthy of being called the education-automation film of synergetics. let us not forget one of fuller's favorite metaphors: precession. the film may have been intended as a light retrospective, but its actual results will be inherently more complex. -k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:51:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: <199604182028.NAA05360@wolfe.net> Did anyone tape the Bucky PBS show? I was warned it was coming on, but couldn't see it. If anyone has a copy, I'll pay $$$ for a reasonable copy!!! Let me know - I have no assurance it will be shown again. (While I'm on the subject, does anyone know if any other Bucky-stuff videos are out there?) Thanks! -Agnes ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:45:15 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY VIDEOTAPES VIDEOTAPES BY AND/OR ABOUT BUCKMINSTER FULLER Compiled by Joe S. Moore, April 18, 1996 All I Know (2,450 min; 41 hrs) bfi@aol.com BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi/ A Win-Win Solution (15 min) geni@cerfnet.com GENI http://www.geni.org/ Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud (92min) WNET http://www.wnet.org Dome-It-Yourself (45 min) kingdome@mmedia.is Kingdomes http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome Dymaxion Lab:Experiment in Individual Initiative (?? min) BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Dymaxion Lab: What Individual Can Do (60 min) BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Ecological Design: Inventing the Future (?? min) BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi Explore the Great Indoors (10 min) Timberline Geodesics TLineDomes@aol.com Modeling the Universe (15 min) BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Race to Catch a Buckyball (60) WGBH http://www.wgbh.org Selected Ideas of Buckminster Fuller (PUBLIC DOMAIN; 55 min) GENI http://www.geni.org/ What If...A New Global Option (15 min) GENI http://www.geni.org/ World Game (10 min) WGI http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi World of Buckminster Fuller (90 min) AMAZON.COM http://www.Amazon.com BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi World Population Growth: 1000 BC-1965 AD (3 min) BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 19:29:10 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DOME BOOKS TABLE OF CONTENTS OF DOME BUILDING BOOKS Compiled by Joe S. Moore, April 18, 1995 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'A STUDY OF SHELTER LOGISTICS FOR MARINE CORPS AVIATION' by H. C. LANE,'54 (R.B.Fuller Commissioned to Do Study at Quantico, Virginia) 1. FORWORD 2. INTRODUCTION 3. THE SHELTER LOGISTICS PROBLEM a. General Aspects 1) Background and Development 2) Conclusion b. Special Aspects 4. FACTORS INVOLVED IN SOLUTION a. Classification 1) Functional Suitability 2) Simplicity 3) Durability 4) Transportability 5) Constructability 6) Produceability b. Conclusions 5. MARINE AVIATION'S CURRENT SOLUTION a. Initial Concept 1) Phase I 2) Phase II 3) Phase III b. Secondary Developments c. Conclusions 6. A NEW SOLUTION a. Background b. Interim Report c. Further Study (8 Domes) 1) North Carolina State Flyable Dome Jan 1954 2) Tulane Dome Feb 1954 3) University of Michigan Dome Mar 1954 4) Virginia Polytechnic Institute Dome Apr 1954 5) North Carolina State College Dome Apr 1954 6) Special Bureau of Aeronautics Dome Jun 1954 7) Fuller Paperboard Dome Jul 1954 8) Massachusetts Institute of Technology Dome Aug 1954 d. Conclusions 7. MILITARY GEODESIC DOMES TODAY a. 36 Foot Diameter Hemispherical Personnel Shelter b. Navy Bureau of Aeronautics Formal Designs (3 Domes) 1) 36 Foot Diameter Shop Maintenance Shelter 2) 55 Foot Diameter Single Plane Aircraft Hangar 3) 117 Foot Diameter Six-Plane Aircraft Hangar c. 36 Foot Diameter One-Third Sphere Prototype d. 42 Foot Diameter Hemisphere Storage Shelter e. 42 Foot Diameter One-Third Sphere 8. EFFECTS & RESULTS OF ADOPTION a. Over-All Comparison 1) Functional Utility 2) Durability 3) Transportability 4) Constructability 5) Simplicity 6) Produceability b. Specific Comparison 1) Weight 2) Shipping Volume 3) Cost 4) Man-Hours 5) Summary c. General Comparisons and Conclusions 1) Flexability 2) Mobility 3) Hitting Power Factor 9. WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE a. Adoption of Dome Shelters b. Additional Development Necessary 1) Princeton University Study of Sept. 1954 2) 32 Foot Diameter Prototype 3) Fuller 42 Foot Diameter Dome 4) Washington University 42 Foot Diameter Structure 5) Summary c. Other Areas for Development 1) Development of Structure and Weatherproof Membrane 2) Development of Appurtenances, Components, Attachments, Refinements 3) Application of Domes for Special Functions 10. CONCLUSIONS & RECOMMENDATIONS a. Conclusions 1) Geodesic Domes Applicable to Requirements of Marine Aviation 2) Domes Applicable to 99% of Marine Aviation Shelter Needs 3) Geodesic Dome R & D Is Essential and Must Continue 4) Domes Increase Mobility, Flexibility & Operational Efficiency 5) Geodesic Dome Use Will Afford Continual Training b. Recommendations 1) Geodesic Domes Be Adopted by Marine Aviation 2) Geodesic Domes Be Phased into the Aircraft, Fleet Marine Forces 3) 55' Dome Aircraft Shelters Be Provided F, MF Immediately 4) Continuing Research & Development Be Established (NO INDEX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'GEODESICS' by EDWARD POPKO, 1968 A. INTRODUCTION B. BASIC GEODESICS 1. Polyhedra 2. Orientation 3. Breakdown 4. Frequency 5. Base Truncations 6. Chord Factors C. ILLUSTRATIONS: 106 FIGURES AND PHOTOS 1. BASIC GEODESICS (14) 2. WOODS HOLE DOME, WOODS HOLE, MASS (6) 3. STRUT AND MEMBRANE DOME, (1) 4. FORD ROTUNDA DOME, DEARBORN, MICHIGAN (1) 5. MARINE CORPS AVIATION DOME, (5) 6. EXHIBITION DOMES, (3) 7. SASAKI DOME, (2) 8. FIBERGLASS RADAR DOMES, (10) 9. PLYWOOD DOMES, (4) 10. LESSER CIRCLE DOME, (3) 11. TENSEGRITY POLYHEDRA (1) 12. WIRE- WHEEL TRUSS DOME, (2) 13. ASPENSION DOME, (2) 14. TAISEI EXPERIMENTAL TENSEGRITY DOMES, JAPAN (12) 15. UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA DOME, ASPEN, COLORADO (2) 16. AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR METALS DOME, CLEVELAND, OHIO (4) 17. CLIMATRON DOME, MISSOURI BOTANICAL GARDENS, ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI (4) 18. UNION TANK CAR DOMES, BATON ROUGE, LOUISIANA (2) 19. KAISER DOME, HONOLULU, HAWAII (3) 20. YOIMURI DOME, TOKYO, JAPAN (3) 21. EXPO '67 DOME, MONTREAL, CANADA (9) 22. SMALL CONNECTORS (1) 23. DOME ASSEMBLY TECHNIQUES (12) D. SELECTED BIBLIOGRAPHY (NO INDEX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'DOMEBOOK ONE' by PACIFIC DOMES, 1970 A. SIMPLE GEODESICS B. MODELS 1. Strut Models 2. Membrane Models C. GEODESIC GEOMETRY BY JONATHAN KANTER 1. Alternate 2. Triacon D. SPHERICAL TRIG BY JONATHAN KANTER E. SUN DOME PLANS FROM 'POPULAR SCIENCE' F. BIG SUR DOME 1. Vital Stats 2. Dome Ingredients 3. Builder's Instructions 4. Putting It Up G. PACIFIC DOME 1. Vital Stats 2. Dome Ingredients 3. Builder's Instructions 4. Making Hubs 5. Putting It Up 6. Skinning Dome H. TUBE FRAME DOME 1. Vital Stats 2. The Frame 3. Skins I. BUBBLE DOME BY JAY AND KATHLEEN J. POD DOME BY MARTIN BARTLETT K. COSTS 1. Pacific Dome: $929 2. Bubble Dome: $664 3. Pod Dome: $350 L. PLYDOME PLANS FROM PEOPLE FROM CANYON, CA M. MAST N. PARADOME O. FLOORS 1. Concrete 2. Wood 3. Experimental 4. Radial Floor Construction P. SEALING 1. Tapes 2. Caulks 3. Paints Q. WINDOWS R. DOORS 1. Rectangular 2. Trap 3. Triangle 4. Diamond S. VENTS (EXTRACT FROM ITEM "M",BOSTON BLUEPRINT DATA ARCHIVE,by R.B.FULLER) T. INTERIORS (7 PICS) U. PLASTIC FOAM 1. Introduction 2. "Foamed Plastic for Shelters" by Douglas Deeds 3. "The Use of Polyurethane Foam in Construction" by Ron Swenson V. FERRO CEMENT 1. Introduction 2. How to Do It W. FULLER PATENTS X. BUILDING INSPECTOR Y. CENTERING Z. HUBS 1. Dyna Domes Hubs for Wood Struts 2. Tony Magar's Hub for Space Grids 3. Mero- Triagonal Hub 4. Triodetic Hub 5. Jay & Kathleen's Hubs for Tube Frames AA. WHAT SIZE? BB. CHORD FACTORS AND ANGLES 1. Intro 2. 1 Frequency Icosahedron, Alternate 3. 2 Frequency Icosahedron, Alternate 4. 3 Frequency Icosahedron, Alternate 5. 4 Frequency Icosahedron, Alternate 6. 5 Frequency Icosahedron, Alternate 7. 6 Frequency Icosahedron, Alternate 8. 2 Frequency Icosahedron, Triacon 9. 4 Frequency Icosahedron, Triacon 10. 6 Frequency Icosahedron, Triacon 11. 8 Frequency Icosahedron, Triacon CC. USEFUL MATH DD. NEW MATERIALS 1. Sealants 2. Foam 3. Fiberglass 4. Tapes for Doam Seals 5. Membranes 6. Plastics 7. Miscellaneous EE. BIBLIOGRAPHY FF. UNCLASSIFIEDS GG. LAST MINUTE HH. FANTASIES (NO INDEX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'DOMEBOOK 2' by PACIFIC DOMES, 1971 PREFACE 1. SIMPLE GEODESICS 2. MODELS a. Introduction b. Strut Models c. Membrane Models 3. GREAT CIRCLES 4. SPHERICAL TRIG 5. GEODESIC GEOMETRY BY JONATHAN KANTER a. Intro b. Alternate Breakdown c. Triacon Breakdown d. Modified Spheres 6. SUN DOME (POPULAR SCIENCE, MAY 1966) 7. BIG SUR DOME 8. PACIFIC DOME 9. HUB DOMES a. Washer Hub Dome b. Plywood Hub Dome 10. ALUMINUM TRIACON DOME 11. ALUMINUM SUN DOME 12. PACIFIC HIGH SCHOOL 13. ELLIPTICAL DOMES BY PETER CALTHORPE a. Math b. Models c. Egg Dome d. Zapoche Dome 14. MUSLIN- FOAM DOME BY JONATHAN KANTER 15. TUBE FRAME DOMES 16. PILLOW DOME BY JAY BALDWIN 17. PORTABLE PILLOW DOME BY HANS MEYER 18. THE POD DOME BY MARTIN BARTLETT 19. TENT DOMES 20. 3/4 DOME BY JEFF MORSE 21. SHAKE DOME BY JIM ANDERSON 22. SHEET METAL DOME BY WAYNE CARTWRIGHT 23. INSIDE DOMES (PICTURES) 24. HOT RATS DOMES 25. THE RED ROCKERS DOME 26. ISLA VISTA DOMES BY BOB EASTON 27. STONE DOMES BY RUSSELL JENSEN 28. FERRO CEMENT DOMES BY DEREK VAN LOAN 29. PLASTIC FOAM DOMES BY JOHN NOLAN 30. PARACHUTE FOAM DOME BY JOHN WELLES 31. FLOORS 32. SEALING 33. WINDOWS 34. VENTS 35. FULLER ITEM "M" (NATURAL VENTILATION) BY R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER 36. DOORS 37. HEATING AND INSULATION 38. NEW MATERIALS 39. HOLLYWOOD HILLS DOME 40. TENSILE STRUCTURES BY HANS MEYER 41. AN INTERVIEW WITH R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER 42. DROP CITY 43. TENSEGRITY ICOSA BY HUGH KENNER 44. DIAMOND DOME BY KATHLEEN WHITACRE 45. BAMBOO DOME BY R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER 46. ANANDA DOMES 47. WRITERS 48. ZOMES 49. CONNECTIONS AND TRUNCATIONS BY PETER CALTHORPE 50. GEODESIC MATH BY JOSEPH D. CLINTON 51. CHORD FACTORS BY JOSEPH D. CLINTON 52. USEFUL MATH 53. BUILDING INSPECTOR, 54. TRIODETICS STRUCTURES LTD. 55. FOAM SHOT ON INFLATED BAG BY LLOYD TURNER 56. CHARAS CARDBOARD/FERROCEMENT DOME 57. COSTS 58. MASTS 59. DOME DESIGN 60. ANT FARM 61. LOW-COST SPIRAL STAIRWAY BY KEN KERN 62. DYNA DOMES 63. JOINING 64. THE SUN 65. WIND 66. BIBLIOGRAPHY 67. PAPER MODELS 68. UNTESTED IDEAS 69. CREDITS (NO INDEX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'THE DOME BUILDER'S HANDBOOK' edited by JOHN PRENIS, 1973 1. DEDICATIONS 2. ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS 3. PREMISE BY JOHN PRENIS 4. WHY DOMES? BY JOHN PRENIS 5. AN INTRODUCTION TO DOMES BY JOHN PRENIS 6. MODELS BY JOHN PRENIS a. Intro b. Computer Card Models c. Giant Models d. Other Model Ideas e. Commercial Model Kits (4) 7. DOME DESIGN BY JOHN PRENIS 8. MY PROCESS BY PETE HJERSMAN a. Introduction b. Tensegrity c. Triacon d. Plydomes e. Skin Pattern f. Octet-Truss g. Great Circles h. Great Circle Dome i. Tension Dome j. Icosa Dome k. Diamonds l. Model Making 9. A SIMPLE 2F TENT DOME BY JOHN PRENIS 10. A TUBE FRAME DOME BY ED COOLEY 11. SPHERICAL DOME MEMBRANES BY CAREY SMOOT a. Introduction b. Thread Size and Needles c. Details and Miscellaneous Notes 12. A 3F CANVAS SKINNED DOME BY STEVE ERVIN 13. A 3F PLASTIC-DRAPED DOME BY D. SCOTT SIMS 14. THE 16 FOOT PERSONAL DOME BY JIM BOHLEN & RUSS CHERNOFF a. Introduction b. The Dodecahedron c. Strut Construction d. Making the Hubs e. The Foundation f. The Assembly g. Framing in the Door h. Framing the Windows i. The Sheathing Skin j. Cedar Shingle Skins k. Handsplit Cedar Shakes l. Ventilation m. Heating and Insulation n. Lining the Inside of the Dome o. Bibliography 15. A THREE QUARTER SPHERE BY LONNY BROWN 16. OUR 2F TRIACON DOME BY KATHE WELLES 17. HOW TO RAISE A DOME SINGLEHANDED BY FRED BARGER 18. BETTER DOMES AND GARDENS BY ANDREW RALPH a. A Few Thoughts, Suggestions; A Little Pointing b. References 19. THOUGHTS, IDEAS, AND DREAMS OF DOMES BY W. E. WRIGHT 20. ZOMES BY JOHN PRENIS 21. GREAT LAKES ZOME BY DAVE MIELKE 22. DOMES AND ZOMES BY DOUG LAIS 23. FERRO-CEMENT "DOMES" BY THAD MATRAS 24. BIG FOOT FOAM--IMAGINATION & REALITY BY BOB SCHULER a. The Theory b. Theoretical Solution c. The Practice 25. POLYURETHANE FOAMS & DOME STRUCTURES BY GARY ALLEN a. What Is It? b. Are All Polyurethane Foams Soft and Flexible? c. Is It Expensive? d. Why Use It as a Building Material? e. How Long Does It Take to Harden? f. Isn't There Any Way to Get Around the High Equipment Costs? g. Is It Dangerous to Work With? h. Doesn't Anything Attack Polyurethane Foam? i. What About Doors and Windows? j. Is It Strong Enough to Support Snow Loads, etc? k. What Can Go Wrong? l. Can You Use Foam for Sound Proofing? m. References 26. DOME 7072 BY DON BUTLER 27. MY BUILDING CAREER BY STAN VANDENBARK 28. CHORD FACTORS BY JOHN PRENIS a. Intro b. 1 Frequency Icosahedron c. 2 Frequency Icosahedron Alternate d. 3 Frequency Icosahedron Alternate e. 4 Frequency Icosahedron Alternate f. 2 Frequency Icosahedron Triacon g. 4 Frequency Icosahedron Triacon h. 1 Frequency Octahedron i. 2 Frequency Octahedron Alternate j. 3 Frequency Octahedron Alternate k. 4 Frequency Octahedron Alternate l. 2 Frequency Octahedron Triacon m. 4 Frequency Octahedron Triacon 29. MANUFACTURER'S PAGE (10) BY JOHN PRENIS 30. SELECTED ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY BY JOHN PRENIS 31. LAST WORD BY JOHN PRENIS 32. VISION 33. DOME BUILDER'S HANDBOOK STEREO VIEWER (NO INDEX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'DOME NOTES' by PETER HJERSMAN, 1975 1. INTRODUCTION 2. RESPONSIVE ARCHITECTURE 3. BUILDING MODELS a. Edge/Strut Models b. Face/Panel Models 4. DRAWING METHODS a. Drawing Methods (10) b. Finishing Methods (4) 5. GEODESIC PRIMER a. Intro b. Frequency c. Polyhedra d. Breakdowns e. Beyond Alternate and Triacon f. Explanation of Table 6. POLYTOPES (12) 7. OCTA-DOMES a. Intro b. 2 Frequency, Octahedron-Alternate c. 2 Frequency, Octahedron-Triacon d. Triakis Octahedron e. Small Rhombicuboctahedron f. Trapezoidal Icosatetrahedron g. Hexakis Octahedron h. Tipi Octahedron Dome i. Free-Form Octa j. Relationships 8. DIAMONDS a. Types of Diamonds b. Generating Diamonds c. Diamonds from Regular and Archimedian Solids (9) d. Aggregates e. Compounds f. Diamonds from Geodesics (4) 9. TENSEGRITIES a. Introduction b. Usefulness c. Models d. Types of Tensegrities (3) e. Tensegrity Polyhedra (12) f. Progressions g. Spheres h. Tensegrity Beam i. Tensegrity Masts (3) 10. HUB TESTING a. Objectives b. Test Machinery and Method c. Results and Analysis d. Hub 1: Continuous Strap Pipe e. Hub 2: Double External Plate f. Hub 3: Internal Plywood Plate g. Hub 4: External Strap Plate h. Hub 5: Single External Plate i. Addendum 11-A. FIRE TESTING a. The Flammability of Polyurethane Foam b. Fire Spread c. Fire Tests d. Polyurethane Foam e. Behavior of Polyurethane in a Fire f. Solutions g. Fire Safety and Codes h. References 11-B. BERKELEY CORNER TEST: EFFECT OF ROOM CONFIGURATION ON FIRE DEVELOPMENT I. Background a. Description of Test Facility b. Thermocouples c. Data Acquisition d. Ignition Sources e. Test Procedure f. Previous Tests g. Corner Flame Morphology h. Objectives of Testing i. Test Sequence II. Test Report a. Construction--Dome Segment b. Construction--Coved Corner c. Description of Materials d. Test Results and Analysis e. Dome Segment Results f. Dome Test "A" g. Dome Test "B" h. Dome Tests Comparison i. Dome Tests--Geometry j. Coved Corner Test k. Progression l. Conclusion 13. COSMIC SOLIDS 14. GEODESIC DOME CLASS a. Course Description b. Course Outline c. Suggested Study Projects d. Biography and Expectations (Peter Hjersman) 15. OTHER AREAS FOR INVESTIGATION (20) 16. MATH MISCELLANY 17. CONDUIT DOME: 2 FREQUENCY, ICOSA-ALTERNATE HEMISPHERE 18. GREAT CIRCLE DOME a. Materials b. Construction c. Assembly 19. TENSION DOME a. Design Math b. Materials c. Assembly 20. PLAYYARD ICOSAHEDRON 21. ALTERNATIVE STRUCTURES GROUP 22. EVERY COIN HAS TWO SIDES a. Dome Potentials b. Dome Precautions 23. LIVING WITH YOUR DOME 24. BIBLIOGRAPHY 25. INDEX/GLOSSARY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'GEODESIC MATH AND HOW TO USE IT' by HUGH KENNER, 1976 WHAT THIS BOOK IS A. PART I: TENSEGRITY 1. Weight vs. Tension a. Introduction b. Appendix: Tensegrity Prisms 2. Spherical Tensegrities a. Introduction b. Equilibrium c. Elasticity Multiplication 3. Complex Spherical Tensegrities a. Great Circle Tensegrities b. Dip-Angle Calclations c. Calculation of Remaining Dimensions d. Appendix: Derivation of Tensegrity-Sphere Equations 4. Tendon System Minima a. Introduction b. 6-Strut Tendon Minima 5. Geodesic Subdivision 6. Rigid Tensegrities a. Introduction b. Numerical Example B. PART II: GEODESICS 1. Great Circles a. Introduction b. Great-Circle Systems c. Octahedral and Tetrahedral Great Circles 2. Symmetry Systems a. Introduction b. Envelope Contours 3. The Spherical-Coordinate System 4. Breakdown Systems a. Class I (Alternate) b. Class II (Triacon) c. Which Class? d. Which Frequency? 5. Choosing a Polyhedron a. Introduction b. Other Criteria 6. Using the Tables a. Introduction b. Planning the Work: Class I c. Accuracy d. Class II e. Appendix: Derivation of the Coordinates 7. Ellipses and Superellipses a. Introduction b. Octahedral Ellipsoids c. Icosahedral Ellipsoids d. Modifying Coordinates e. Superspheroids f. Varying two Radii g. Free Forms 8. Truncations a. Introduction b. Truncation by Rotation c. Novel Truncation Planes d. Zenith Altitude and Floor Radius 9. An Advanced Problem a. Introduction b. Quartering the Icosa c. Writing the Coordinates d. Rotating the Coordinate System e. Tabulating the Radii f. Chord Factors g. Truncation 10. Space Frames a. Introduction b. Diamond Patterns c. Trussed Frames 11. About Angles a. Axial Angles b. Face Angles c. Dihedral Angles C. PART III: DATA 1. Class I Octahedral Coordinates a. Frequencies 12, 6, 3 b. Frequencies 8, 4, 2 c. Frequencies 10, 5, 2 2. Class II Method 1 Octahedral Coordinates a. Frequencies 16, 8, 4 b. Frequencies 12, 6 3. Class I Method 1 Icosahedral Coordinates a. Frequencies 10, 5 b. Frequencies 8, 4, 2 c. Frequencies 6, 3 4. Class II Method 1 Icosahedral Coordinates a. Frequencies 12, 6 b. Frequencies 8, 4, 2 5. Tetrahedral Coordinates a. Frequencies 12, 6, 3 b. Frequencies 16, 8, 4 c. Frequencies 16, 8 d. Frequencies 12, 6 6. Class II Method 3 Coordinates and Chord Factors a. Icosa Frequencies 16, 8, 4 b. Icosa Frequencies 12, 6 c. Octa Frequencies 16, 8, 4 d. Octa Frequencies 12, 6 e. Tetra Frequencies 16, 8 f. Icosa Chord Factors g. Octa Chord Factors h. Tetra Chord Factors D. APPENDICES 1. Writing Class II Method 3 Coordinates 2. Calculator Routines (12) 3. HP-65 Programs (11) (NO INDEX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'AN INTRODUCTION TO TENSEGRITY' by ANTHONY PUGH, 1976 LIST OF PHOTOS (33) PREFACE 1. BACKGROUND, DEFINITIONS, AND GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS a. Background b. Definitions and General Characteristics 2. SOME SIMPLE FIGURES a. Two-Dimensional Figures b. Figures with Struts Passing Through Their Centers c. Triangles of Struts d. Single-Layer Figures e. The Expanded Octahedron (Icosahedron) f. Variations on the Expanded Octahedron g. Conclusion 3. THE DIAMOND PATTERN a. Single-Layer Figures b. Two-Layer Figures c. Three-Layer Figures d. Larger Figures e. Constructing Models 4. THE CIRCUIT PATTERN a. The Circuit Pattern b. Characteristics of the Pattern (5) c. Figures Based on the Platonic and Archimedian Polyhedra d. Construction of Models e. Circuit-Pattern Systems Derived from Other Diamond-Pattern Systems f. Diamond-Pattern Systems Derived from Circuit-Pattern Systems g. The Expanded Octahedron h. Final Notes 5. CIRCUIT-PATTERN SYSTEMS BASED ON THE GEODESIC POLYHEDRA OF R. B. FULLER a. The Generation of Geodesic Polyhedra b. Geodesic Polyhedra and the Circuit Pattern c. Examples d. General Note on the Construction of Models e. Final Notes 6. THE ZIGZAG PATTERN a. Some Characteristics of Zigzag-Pattern Figures b. Zigzag-Pattern Systems Based on Platonic Polyhedra c. Zigzag-Pattern Systems Based on Archimedian Polyhedra d. General Notes on the Distortion of Faces e. Figures Having Similar Numbers of Struts and Tendons f. Figures Based on the Geodesic Polyhedra of R. Buckminster Fuller g. Examples h. An Interesting Characteristic of Zigzag-Pattern Systems 7. FURTHER TENSEGRITY SYSTEMS (ALL PATTERNS) a. Four Methods of Evolving New Tensegrity Systems b. New Relationships Between Struts and Tendons c. Basing Tensegrity Systems on Other Polyhedra d. Examples e. Tensegrity Systems and the Duals of the Archimedian Polyhedra f. Relationship Between Circuit-Pattern & Zigzag-Pattern Tensegrity Systems g. Cylindrical Tensegrity Systems 8. APPLICATIONS OF TENSEGRITY,JOINING SYS TOGETHER,CONSTRUCTION OF LARGER FIGS a. Structural Characteristics of Tensegrity Systems (5) b. Joining Tensegrity Systems (3) c. The Construction of Large Figures in General d. The Construction of a Mast of Cuboctahedra e. A Dome Based on the Four-Frequency Icosahedron f. A Similar Dome with a Tensile Skin g. Tensegrity Structures with Pneumatic Struts h. A Plywood Dome Based on a Tensegrity System i. Conclusion APPENDIX 1: GENERAL MATERIALS AND TECHNIQUES FOR MAKING MODELS a. Struts b. Fitting Tendons c. Construction of Working Models d. More Permanent Models: Struts e. More Permanent Models: Tendons f. More Permanent Models: Tying the Tendons g. Recording Work APPENDIX 2: BUILDING MODELS OF CERTAIN DIAMOND-PATTERN SYSTEMS a. Example--The Twelve-Strut Three-Layer System (Photo 3) APPENDIX 3: BUILDING MODELS OF CIRCUIT-PATTERN FIGURES a. General Approach b. The Icosidodecahedron (Photo 7) c. The Small Rhombicuboctahedron and the Snub Cube (Photo 8) d. Small Rhombicosidodecahedron & the Snub Dodecahedron (Photo 9) e. The Fifteen-Strut Three-Layer Circuit-Pattern System (Photo 5) f. The Twenty--Strut Four--Layer Circuit-Pattern System (Photo 6) g. The Four-Frequency Icosahedron (Photo 10) h. The Two- Frequency Cube (Photo 12) i. The Two- Frequency Truncated Tetrahedron (Photo 13) APPENDIX 4: BUILDING MODELS OF ZIGZAG-PATTERN FIGURES a. General Method b. The Truncated Octahedron and the Snub Cube (Photo 15) c. The Truncated Cube (Photo 16) d. The Truncated Icosahedron (Photo 17) e. The Truncated Dodecahedron (Photo 18) f. The Great Rhombicuboctahedron (Photo 19) g. The Great Rhombicosidodecahedron (Photo 20) h. The Three-Frequency Dodecahedron (Photo 21) i. The Six- Frequency Octahedron (Photo 22) j. The Three-Frequency Truncated Tetrahedron (Photo 23) BIBLIOGRAPHY (NO INDEX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'POLYHEDRA: A VISUAL APPROACH' by ANTHONY PUGH, 1976 PREFACE 1. THE PLAYTONIC POLYHEDRA (3 TABLES) a. Construction of Models b. Why There Are Five Platonic Polyhedra c. Some General Characteristics of the Platonic Polyhedra d. The Sum of the Face Angles of a Polyhedron e. Triangulation and the Stability of Polyhedra f. Duality and the Platonic Polyhedra g. Introduction to the Golden Proportion h. The Golden Proportion and the Platonic Polyhedra i. Sketching the Platonic Polyhedra j. Relationships Between the Five Platonic Polyhedra k. Summary 2. THE ARCHIMEDEAN POLYHEDRA,FACIALLY REGULAR PRISMS & ANTIPRISMS (3 TABLES) a. Construction of Models of the Archimedian Polyhedra b. Some Relationships Between the Archimedian & Platonic Polyhedra c. Names of the Archimedian Polyhedra d. Description & Construction of Facially Regular Prisms & Antiprisms e. General Characteristic of Archimedian Polys & Facially Regular Prisms f. The Sum of the Surface Angles g. Triangulation and Stability h. Duality i. Variations on the Archimedian Polyhedra j. An Important Characteristic of the Archimedian Polyhedra 3. FURTHER CONVEX POLYHEDRA WITH REGULAR FACES (6 TABLES) a. Description of the Figures b. Construction of Models c. The Convex Deltahedra 4. THE DUALS OF ARCHIMEDEAN POLYHEDRA, PRISMS, AND ANTIPRISMS (3 TABLES) a. The Shapes of the Faces b. Drawing the Faces c. Constructing the Figures d. Nomenclature e. Characteristic of Duals of Archimedian Polys & Facially Regular Prisms f. Further Relationships to the Archimedian Polyhedra g. Conclusion 5. JOINING POLYHEDRA a. Six Types of Contact b. Plane Tessellations c. Close-Packing Polyhedra d. A Three-Dimensional Approach to Joining Polyhedra e. Helical Combinations of Polyhedra f. Rotating Rings of Polyhedra 6. GEODESIC POLYHEDRA OF R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER & RELATED POLYHEDRA (2 TABLES) a. A Simplified Approach to the Generation of Geodesic Polyhedra b. Comparisons of the Five Platonic Polyhedra as Principal Polyhedra c. Other Principal Polyhedra d. Other Ways of Subdividing the Faces of a Principal Polyhedra e. General Note on Figures with Nontriangular Faces f. Circumspheres, Interspheres, and Inspheres g. Small-Circle Variations on Great-Circle Geometry h. Further Geometric Modifications i. The Truncation of Geodesic Polyhedra j. Construction of Models: Conversion and Use of Data k. Construction of Models: Examples l. The 2-Frequency Icosahedron m. The 3-Frequency Icosahedron n. The 4-Frequency Icosahedron 7. SOME IRREGULAR POLYHEDRA (1 TABLE) a. Truncations of Existing Polyhedra b. Insertion of Rectangular Faces Between Edges of Existing Polyhedron c. Insertion of Triangular Faces Between Edges of Existing Polyhedron 8. THE KEPLER POINSOT POLYHEDRA & RELATED FIGURES a. Construction of Models b. Characteristic of Kepler Poinsot Polys;Comparison with Playtonic Polys c. The Five Regular Compounds d. Further Figures Produced by Stellating & Faceting Polyhedra APPENDIX 1. CALCULATIONS a. Useful Data and Formulae b. The Volume of a Regular Tetrahedron c. Express Radii of Circum-,Inter-, In-Sphere of Reg Icos in Term of Edge d. The Edge Lengths of a 3-Frequency Icosahedron e. The Calculation of a Dihedral Angle f. Solving a Problem by Constructing Scale Drawings 2. CHORD FACTORS FOR GEODESIC POLYHEDRA (8 TABLES) a. Figures Derived from the Dodecahedron by the Alternate Method b. Figures Derived from the Icosahedron by the Alternate Method c. Figures Derived from the Octahedron by the Alternate Method d. Figures Derived from the Cube by the Alternate Method e. Figures Derived from the Tetrahedron by the Alternate Method f. Figures Derived from the Truncated Tetrahedron by the Alternate Method g. Small Circle Figures Derived from the Icosahedron h. Clusters of Geodesic Polyhedra Based on the 2-Frequency Truncated Octa 3. BUILDING MODELS OF POLYHEDRA a. Sheet Materials b. Marking Out the Faces c. Cutting and Scoring d. Joining the Faces e. Glues f. The Last Piece g. Stick Models h. General Notes i. Equilateral Triangles j. Squares k. Regular Pentagons (5-Sided Polygons) l. Regular Hexagons (6-Sided Polygons) m. Regular Octagons (8-Sided Polygons) n. Regular Decagons (10-Sided Polygons) o. Checks on Accuracy BIBLIOGRAPHY (NO INDEX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'TENSEGRITY:INTRODUCTORY THEORY & MODEL CONSTRUCTION' by ROBERT GRIP,'78 A. INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS B. MODEL BUILDING 1. A Step-By-Step Example (11 Figures) 2. More Examples ( 4 Figures) 3. Building Longer-Lasting Models ( 2 Figures) C. SOME THEORY 1. One-to-One Correspondence (2 Figures) 2. Tension Patterns (3 Figures) 3. Regular Polyhedra (2 Figures) 4. Archimedean Polyhedra (2 Figures) 5. Duality (5 Figures) 6. Geodesic Spherical Tensegrities (5 Figures) D. GLOSSARY E. CLARIFYING COMMENTS (2 Figures) F. BIBLIOGRAPHY (NO INDEX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'DOME BUILDER'S HANDBOOK NO. 2' by WILLIAM YARNALL, 1978 ACKNOWLEDGMENTS LIST OF PHOTOGRAPHS (65) 1. A BRIEF LOOK AT THE DOME a. The First Domes b. Astronomy and Domes c. The Way Domes Work d. Buckminster Fuller and the Popularity of Domes e. The Role of the Dome 2. ARE YOU A POTENTIAL DOME HOME OWNER? a. Some Things to Remember About Domes b. Other Uses For Domes c. Building Codes and Permits d. Architectural Boards and Committees e. Organizing to Change Building and Zoning Regulations f. Building Yourself or Contracting g. Ken Kern's "Home Builders Test" h. Manufacturers, Contractors, and Contracts i. Inspections j. Architectural Drawings (16) k. Color Photos (60) 3. PROPERTY AND MATERIALS a. Choosing Your Property b. Site Considerations c. Foundations d. The Two Main Kinds of Domes e. Windows f. Materials 4. SOME BASICS OF DOME BUILDING a. Foundations b. Strut, Skin, and Panel Construction c. Shingling 5. DOME MANUFACTURERS a. Introduction b. Commercial Dome Home Manufacturers (19) c. Dome Building Consultants (7) d. Industrial and Commercial Manufacturers (4) 6. CUSTOM DOME BUILDING (3) 7. BIBLIOGRAPHY (NO INDEX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Dome Scrap Book by Geodesic Services, Inc., 1981 (Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company) A. Preface ...................................... v B. Introduction ................................. vii 1. Dome Energy Savings ....................... vii 2. Geodesic Living ........................... ix 3. Dome Planning, Special Considerations ..... ix a. Orientation ............................ x b. Foundations ............................ xi c. Riser Walls ............................ xi d. Lofts .................................. xi e. Roof Dormers ........................... xii f. Extensions ............................. xiii g. Insulation ............................. xiii h. Roofing ................................ xiv i. Garages and Carports ................... xv C. The 30' Diameter Domes 1. Plan 30-01 ................................ 1 2. Plan 30-02 ................................ 5 3. Plan 30-03 ................................ 9 4. Plan 30-04 ................................ 13 D. The 35' Diameter Domes 1. Plan 35-01 ................................ 17 2. Plan 35-02 ................................ 21 3. Plan 35-03 ................................ 25 4. Plan 35-04 ................................ 29 5. Plan 35-05 ................................ 33 6. Plan 35-06 ................................ 37 7. Plan 35-07 ................................ 41 E. The 39' Diameter Domes 1. Plan 39-01 ................................ 45 2. Plan 39-02 ................................ 49 3. Plan 39-03 ................................ 53 4. Plan 39-04 ................................ 57 5. Plan 39-05 ................................ 61 6. Plan 39-06 ................................ 65 7. Plan 39-07 ................................ 69 8. Plan 39-08 ................................ 73 9. Plan 39-09 ................................ 77 10. Plan 39-10 ................................ 81 11. Plan 39-11 ................................ 85 12. Plan 39-12 ................................ 89 13. Plan 39-13 ................................ 93 14. Plan 39-14 ................................ 97 15. Plan 39-15 ................................ 101 16. Plan D-39-01 (duplex) ..................... 107 F. The 45' Diameter Domes 1. Plan 45-01 ................................ 111 2. Plan 45-02 ................................ 115 3. Plan 45-03 ................................ 119 4. Plan 45-04 ................................ 123 5. Plan 45-05 ................................ 127 6. Plan 45-06 ................................ 131 7. Plan 45-07 ................................ 135 8. Plan 45-08 ................................ 139 9. Plan 45-09 ................................ 143 10. Plan D-45-01 (duplex) ..................... 147 11. Plan O-45-01 (office) ..................... 151 G. Garage and Carport Selections ................ 154 H. Useful Charts and Formulas ................... 157 I. Glossary of Dome Related Terms ............... 161 J. Plan Policy .................................. 165 K. Blue Print Ordering Information .............. 176 (NO INDEX) (TOC contributed by Michael Rader) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geodesic Floor Plans by Catherdralite, 1981 (Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company) A. Introduction B. Fully Engineered Designs 1. Horizon Series 2. Odyssey Series 3. Alta Series 4. Cuesta Series 5. Del Mar Series 6. Vista Concept a. Vista 30 ft. Plans b. Vista 35 ft. Plans c. Vista 39 ft. Plans C. Photographs of Completed Domes D. Plan Service E. Order Form (NO INDEX) (TOC contributed by Michael Rader) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:31:25 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Commendation: JOE MOORE ********************************************* I'd like to personally commend Joe Moore for taking such an active role in this newsgroup. Also for always being helpful in providing information for others. ********************************************* William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 01:54:07 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In article <9604182251.AA07232@umailsrv1.umd.edu>, am27 writes: >If anyone has a copy, I'll pay $$$ for a reasonable copy!!! You can get a good copy from BFI Buckminster Fuller Institute for about 40 $. William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:13:45 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Filip De Vos Organization: University of Ghent, Belgium Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS am27 (Agnes_M_McLEAN@UMAIL.UMD.EDU) wrote: : I've been reading Hugh Kenner's book about Bucky, *Bucky: A Guided Tour : of Buckminster Fuller*, and it's been amazing to me. Twenty years ago, Could somebody please post the ISBN number and the publisher of Kenner's book? On this side of the pond, it is kind of difficult to obtain books without these extra pieces of info. I allready asked my bookseller to check, but in the CD-ROM they get (BIP - Books In Print) no mention could be found of Kenner's book. -- Filip De Vos "Manned exploration initiatives will be difficult to afford when transporting a fidevos@eduserv.rug.ac.be single meal to the US space station will cost $15.000" Lt Col John R. London III ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:21:56 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: <4l73tp$6ck@infoserv.rug.ac.be>; from "Filip De Vos" at Apr 19, 96 4:13 am Filip De Vos writes: > am27 (Agnes_M_McLEAN@UMAIL.UMD.EDU) wrote: > : I've been reading Hugh Kenner's book about Bucky, *Bucky: A Guided Tour > : of Buckminster Fuller*, and it's been amazing to me. Twenty years ago, > Could somebody please post the ISBN number and the publisher of Kenner's > book? > On this side of the pond, it is kind of difficult to obtain books without > these extra pieces of info. I allready asked my bookseller to check, but > in the CD-ROM they get (BIP - Books In Print) no mention could be found > of Kenner's book. > fidevos@eduserv.rug.ac.be single meal to the US space station will Kenner's book is out of print; however, you might try Dave Morrison Books at: morrison@teleport.com ($50) The book was published by William Morrow & Co., Inc, New york, 1973. Don't have the ISBN number. Your best bet is through an inter-library loan. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:06:37 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: ISBN of Hugh Kenner book "Bucky" Filip De Vos asked: > (about Hugh Kenner's book about Bucky, > "Bucky: A Guided Tour of Buckminster Fuller") > >Could somebody please post the ISBN number and the publisher of >Kenner's book? Sure, here they are: Date = 1973 ISBN = 0-688-00141-6 (Hardcover) 0-688-05141-3 (Paperback) Publisher = William Morrow .....and Joe Moore Replied: >Kenner's book is out of print; however, you might try Dave Morrison >Books at: morrison@teleport.com ($50) Fifty Dollars? Who are THEY kidding? I picked up a hardcover first edition in very good condition for $9.95 two years ago. No way my investment is now worth 5 times what I paid. Ya gotta be careful of some of these book dealers. Keep one hand on your wallet at all times, same as if you were meeting with elected officals. Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" Have Rest Stops. Why? james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 20:42:11 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In article <01I3OMP8DFWY003FI0@GAUDI.GC.CUNY.EDU>, LORETTA LORANCE wrote: > he believe a dome to be a better living environment than their houses? I > suggest you read the letters appended to his first book "4D Timelock" and > his essay on the Bauhaus. Maybe if you are wanting to dicuss a man's life work you should look at his last book rather than his first. After all he was the man who said that "everytime I draw a circle I want to step out of it." Jack ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:02:15 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: <9604180225.AA06037@umailsrv1.umd.edu> > understandable to a `non-science' type like me. (I'm building a tensegrity > sphere for my brother's birthday, and JEEZ, I actually UNDERSTAND it!!!) > > I imagine most folks on the list know about this book already, but in case some > don't, i mention it again. > can you send me some copies of 2 or 3 chapters. i am asking onlu if it is poosible thanks tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:49:43 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Pat Nealy Organization: Towson Computer Subject: Any New Good Books? I have several old books on domes (>20yrs.) and was wondering if there are any newer books with designs and kit builders/sellers. Any help would be appreciated. Pat Nealy PNealy@Towson.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:40:57 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Oceana:_A_floating_city_for_the_Future (fwd) In-Reply-To: <9604152204.aa11658@bbs.cruzio.com> i am looking for titles: any good refrence to excutive power in Multinational companies ( in relation to White head delima), scientest isolation. goverment mobilization for the next election. i am going to try to see if the speech of an avrage individual is similiar to tv and radio talk. i think that is very clear in england. you find a lot of people talking the same, which make it monotonous. the radio enter the home as entertainment in 1928-9(U>S) the first game show 6 or 60 dollar quize in the mid50s i cant remeber well. but from that time to ours, what seemed to be coherent turned into propagand of words. the hours of prodcasting of radio of U>S and Russa around 2000 hours for each a week, Egypt 600 these just an approximation, these is called part of dipolocmcy, how to bring the others into your view. tagdi p.s 15% of working force is inlabor union in the U.S ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:53:47 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Matt Cheselka Organization: The University of Arizona Subject: East St Louis What ever happened to Bucky's E St Louis 'crater' project he spoke so much of in 'Critical Path'? Thanks, Matt Cheselka -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Matthew Cheselka, Philomat Center for Astronomical Adaptive Optics internet: dione@as.arizona.edu Steward Observatory wk: (520) 621-1624 hm: (520) 575-0992 http://aquarius.as.arizona.edu:8080 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:25:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Danu Smith Subject: Commendation: JOE MOORE >********************************************* >I'd like to personally commend >Joe Moore for taking such an active role >in this newsgroup. >Also for always being helpful in >providing information for others. >********************************************* > >William Gunther Lauritzen >809-D East Garfield >Glendale, CA 91205 > Ditto for me....thanks Joe! (and William) .... ((and Mark, Kirby, Richard, Steven, Gerald et al!!)) -danu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:48:43 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marc Visconte Organization: Dis-Roganized Subject: Re: [Fwd: Your Bio-conversion article] (fwd) Leo Elliott wrote: >If this is so, then the problem becomes not that we lack or could not >easily create or convert our current manufacturing processes to mass- >produce geodesic housing components, but that no one feels drawn to >do so because no one really feels there's any profit to be made by >doing so. I cannot decry the profit motive, but I think that a very good use of "goodwill" would help the Geodesic market overall... is ANY of the ravaged and/or strife torn areas on the globe, where ever there is a camera, in some manufacturers banded together and donated, and built some large domes to help house those temporarily without shelter, both humanitarian and personal (business) interests could be served. I remember reading of the cardboard dome cutouts piled in warehouses to be sent to storm torn areas (by some company whose name escapes me). What a GREAT idea to resurrect. Years ago, upon reading about it, I was thinking about how great it would be just to have the plans and patterns. HOW much could it cost to set those patterns up again to be shipped to where they are needed (and not at our 'terrorist' government's [ OUR ] expense, but DIRECTLY from the companies or interested individuals). During the "great Gulf War" farce, there was much coverage (at least here) of the "space age living quarters" that the troops had to protecct themselves from the sun and weather. An inflated air bag. You can bet that the manufacturer stood to make big bucks even if they were DONATED, which, I'd be willing to bet, they weren't. > And the shift from the standards of the 8-foot 2x4 >and the 4x8 sheet of plywood to precisely calculated and cut dome >struts simply will not come about, under the present regime, unless >and until someone presents a more compelling argument than Bucky did >regarding the profitability (not the feasibility or the necessity) >of making such a conversion. Profitability comes from sales bringing in more than costs. That is helped by advertising. Getting on NATIONAL news coverage is tremendous advertising, ESPECIALLY is the product lives up to it's reputation. If there are a FEW, LARGE corporations making things, they can pretty much call the shots. For something that ANYBODY could make, there's not much profit. But... for something that anybody COULD make, but won't for fear, effort, lack of motivation, AND, can be made reliably by smaller companies - providing cost competition against gougers, there is a market, a profit to be made, and a practical sales-price containment mechanism already in place. GETTING the WORD OUT is the thing. Paying for it directly is not really effective on a small scale. Getting it (world-wide advertising) for FREE, by donating time and materials costing less than an average advertising campaign would cost, is a stroke of genius (bowing, waiting for the cheers to die down). Getting the groups of dome manufacturers to band together without bickering or proprietary in-fighting ("ours is better", "don't let them see our plans", "if they're going to build one of THOSE, we're not contributing") will be a chore. For my part, I also support specification of large, multi-family composting or incinerating toilets (another item that will remain expensive and personally impractical until more people make them - which won't happen until more people KNOW about them) and low-voltage lighting, etc. AND, ammonia refridgerators - powered by heat, solar heating, etc. All this can wait, but the toilets are a mandatory item, I think, for sanitation of all the populace whether in a war or weather ravaged area. First step... line up where they are needed. Pick an area, any area where rescue efforts are going on. Remember the American flooding of recent years? Whole towns evacuated? THOUSANDS of townsfolks AND voluteers with no where to sleep? Next, WHAT is needed. And how many. And how large. Next, get the manufacturers designing for multi-family domes - there are already plans in some co's, I believe. Next - decide - is it band-wagon time? Do we invite lumber and building supply co's to donate or do we do it all ourselves. I vote for do it all ourselves, unless there are No-Strings-Attached donations. Next, mock-ups, dry runs, and secretive meetings (hey, we want to suprise the world, not let the local press PRE-cover it and decide it's a non-event, at whatever site is chosen) Next - get necessary permissions to go and build - governments, visas, armed guards, gold bullion (sorry, got carried away). Next, Volunteers - probably from this group and manufacturers. Have to be careful not to turn it into a "peace-corp" mission or anything else that will dilute what is being done. Next, do it. Next, follow up on it. Study - how do they hold up? How do the people like them? Are they cost effective locally? (In some places, brick, masonry, etc. are much more cost effective than wood, as are synthetics or manufactured goods). Next - find the next place, and let the donating companies keep track to see if it's cost effective for advertising. >Does this make any sense? Does it? Marc Visconte mviscont@freenet.vcu.edu -- Marc Visconte CSC, Ft Lee, VA mviscont@freenet.vcu.edu c'est moi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:50:10 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marc Visconte Organization: Dis-Roganized Subject: Speaking of Bucky and the real world... I was fascinated when I first read of the Wichita house. The fascination was there, each time I read about it, but with a growing disappointment. I wasn't going to be able to buy one. I studied it. 1200 square ft is a good size for a home, my first house was smaller and I thought THAT huge (for one guy). The engineering that went into it fascintated me. The BATHROOM design fascinated me. Describing the flooring or the layout or the window area turning it fascinated me. The windvane/ turret/ air scoop fascinated me. The fact that it could be trucked in and assembled by people like ME fascinated me. The COST _really_ (I mean _REALLY_ ) fascinated me. That it could be turned out of standard machine shops fascinated me. Now... where are the plans, are they "proprietary", protected, copyrited, etc, and is it possible to built from them? Can you imagine a several of them showing up in difference parts of the country? (Remember the "Alice's Resturant" song? - 'but if a whole BUNCH of people do it, they'll think it's a CONSPIRACY!') Now: How about a limited partnership to have a set number built from the plans (for those in the partnership) and a set number MORE built to compensate the partnership for being brave in the first place, and THEN, the rest sold from a "non-profit" organization, whose earnings go into more research, more prosthelitizing, more Bucky-project building, and more "World-game" manufacturing? Can we also put the dymaxion car back together? How about that nifty cylindrical apartment building? Marc "waiting to buy the land" Visconte mviscont@freenet.vcu.edu P.S. Anyone who knows about or understands the reverse-PTO of the dymaxion car, please explain it to me. We may have better technology to impliment two-engines-joined-to-one-differential, but I want to know how Bucky took power off of two plants without electronics, syncronizing, etc. -- Marc Visconte CSC, Ft Lee, VA mviscont@freenet.vcu.edu c'est moi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:50:24 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marc Visconte Organization: Dis-Roganized Subject: Re: R. Buckminster Fuller Show on PBS. Steve Brant wrote: >I am still very >concerned that there are a few (I'm not sure how many) individuals who are >looking to keep things "the way they like it." I agree. >Control of information, internet or no internet, not to mention politics >(until such day as campaigns are completely funded by public funds) is still >IMHO in the hands of those with the money in this world. I disagree on what you think will change things... look at the current American Government - it has always been funded by public funds, but steered (?) by private hands, no matter WHAT they tell us about "democracy" or "representation". *I* believe that, until they day that the individual CONTROLS where and how his money is spent - DIRECTLY, everything is still controlled by those without OUR interests at hand. I believe in the profit motive. I DON'T trust corporations - especially with buyouts right and left, resulting in a controlled economy - or at least, a type of distributed monopoly (polyopoly?) - where the powers that be may keep us, but keep us as pets. I don't trust public altruism (but then I prefer private prayer, also). And I DEFINITELY don't trust anyone who spouts about: The greater good of the greater people, the will of the people, 'democracy', etc. >I'm willing to dialogue on this one. And so we do. Marc Visconte mviscont@freenet.vcu.edu -- Marc Visconte CSC, Ft Lee, VA mviscont@freenet.vcu.edu c'est moi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:51:06 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marc Visconte Organization: Dis-Roganized Subject: Re: Affordable housing. "Venter, Dawie" wrote: >I would like to share with the group, a housing "innovation" which >Depending on the soil-type a little cement >powder is added to the filling, which eventually compacts to a >brick-like consistency. Any >additional comments towards this type of structure would be welcome. There are some excellent articles here and about on "rammed earth" housing, which is very similar, but (in my humble opinion) better. One source would be to search the WEB, another (repeated) source would be Mother Earth News (magazine) - which a larger library would probably get on inter-library loan. >P.S. Has anyone ever thatched a geodesic dome yet? :-) I believe I saw reference to that in a couple of instances, although ONE was actually plywood sheeting left "un-trimmed" from the sides of the dome. Kind of a "pine-cone" effect. I hope that these American-isms are understandable to you. I also encourage you to look into sanitation needs in the way of composting or incinerating toilets, food technology in the say of hydroponics, and alternative energy - solar for heat, water distillation, and ammonia coolers (powered by heat) for living conditions and food storage. As a rather pompous aside, I also encourage you to look at ways to maintain individual autonomy and sovereignty. Marc. -- Marc Visconte CSC, Ft Lee, VA mviscont@freenet.vcu.edu c'est moi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:58:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: >Maybe if you are wanting to dicuss a man's life work you should look at >his last book rather than his first. After all he was the man who said >that "everytime I draw a circle I want to step out of it." > >Jack I think he also said something to the effect of, "Don't expect me to be consistent, I am always learning." (i can't find the actual quote right now...) I think Bucky, too, would want us to start with his last book :-). -Agnes ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:13:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: BUCKY VIDEOTAPES In-Reply-To: <9604181645.aa14639@bbs.cruzio.com> Thank you so much for the lists of videotapes and books! -agnes ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:22:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Any New Good Books? In-Reply-To: I've received a brochure so far from only one of the companies i contacted; this was Faze Change Produx, in Tennessee. They also offer a planning kit, which includes a video. The address is 6444 Palomino Drive, Arlington, TN, 38002; phone number 901-829-2112 There's a company in Minnesota called "Nature Spaces" which was spoken of highly by someone else who is planning to build a domehome; when i receive their literature, i'll tell you about it. Faze Change Produx looks very interesting... The above are both companies that offer shell kits. Another book that is very useful if you're considering a domehome, is Gene Hopster's 1981 book "How to Design and Build Your Dome Home", HP Books, P.O. Box 5367, Tucson, AZ, 85703 , - ISBN 0-89586-100-3. These are not true geodesic plans, though, but a "hexadome" adaptation. The book is very informative, however, for the wealth of information it provides as to the myriad considerations - costs, contracting, land, zoning, etc.- that any home-builder will have to deal with. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:22:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: > can you send me some copies of 2 or 3 chapters. > i am asking onlu if it is poosible thanks > tagdi hi. i think i have a few excerpts typed in; tomorrow i will look and send them. i will try to type in the parts that really impressed me. if there's anyway you can find the book, though, there's no substitute for it. Kenner has a great style. -agnes ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:21:41 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Press Briefing to Reveal New View of Urban Growth (fwd) John McLeod writes: > From gw.numenet.com!numenet.com!owner-mission-earth Fri Apr 19 11:12:00 1996 > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:58:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: John McLeod > To: M-E listserv > Subject: Press Briefing to Reveal New View of Urban Growth (fwd) > Message-Id: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-mission-earth@scs.org > Precedence: bulk > X-Comment: Discussion forum on simulation to aid in world planning and survival > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:26:41 -0400 > From: NASA HQ Public Affairs Office > To: press-release-edu@mercury.hq.nasa.gov > Subject: Press Briefing to Reveal New View of Urban Growth > > Douglas Isbell > Headquarters, Washington, DC April 18, 1996 > (Phone: 202/358-1753) > > Allen Kenitzer > Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD > (Phone: 301/286-8955) > > John Fritz > University of Maryland, Baltimore County > (Phone: 410/455-6596) > > Ray Byrnes > U.S. Geological Survey, Reston, VA > (Phone: 703/648-4787) > > NOTE TO EDITORS: N96-27 > > PRESS BRIEFING TO REVEAL NEW VIEW OF URBAN GROWTH > > A new, animated view of the dramatic growth in urban > sprawl over the Baltimore-Washington metropolitan region > during the past 200 years will be the subject of a news > conference at 5 p.m. on Monday, April 22, in Room 307 of the > Baltimore Convention Center. > > Based for the first time on actual scientific data, the > computer animation visually demonstrates how environmental, > economic and demographic forces can combine to generate a > rapid change in the urban landscape. > > The news conference is part of the national convention > of the American Society for Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing > (ASPRS) and the American Congress on Surveying and Mapping > (ACSM). Participants are expected to include U.S. Senator > Barbara Mikulski of Maryland, University of Maryland > Baltimore County (UMBC) President Dr. Freeman A. Hrabowski, > III, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Director Joseph H. > Rothenberg and incoming ACSM President James R. Plasker. > > The animation and its supporting database were produced > by the Baltimore-Washington Regional Collaboratory, a > cooperative effort between UMBC, the U.S. Geological Survey > and NASA's Mission to Planet Earth enterprise. > > Developed using a combination of historical maps, census > records, satellite-based imagery and geographic information > systems, the animation tool and its supporting information > will be made available to local and regional urban planners > via the Internet, to aid land and resource management policy > development. The same process can be applied to generate > similar products for other urban areas. > > Imagery from the Baltimore-Washington study and further > background information will be available April 22 on the > World Wide Web at the following URL: > > http://www.umbc.edu/bwrdc > > Standard video technical support will be provided at the > briefing. Broadcast quality copies of the animation will be > available. The animation also will be broadcast as part of > the daily NASA TV Video File. Media planning to cover the > event are requested to notify one of the listed points of > contact by Noon on April 22. > > -end- > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:25:49 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Any New Good Books? In-Reply-To: ; from "Pat Nealy" at Apr 19, 96 11:49 am Pat Nealy writes: > I have several old books on domes (>20yrs.) and was wondering if there are > any newer books with designs and kit builders/sellers. Any help would be > appreciated. > Pat Nealy > PNealy@Towson.com To the best of my knowledge, no how-to books on geodesic domes have been published in the last 15 years! -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:33:44 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FWD>Advanced Land Imager Pi (fwd) Bruce Fairchild writes: > From gw.numenet.com!numenet.com!owner-mission-earth Fri Apr 19 14:07:32 1996 > Message-Id: > Date: 19 Apr 1996 15:44:04 -0600 > From: Bruce Fairchild > Subject: FWD>Advanced Land Imager Pi > To: "press-release-com@mercury.hq.na" > X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 > Sender: owner-mission-earth@scs.org > Precedence: bulk > X-Comment: Discussion forum on simulation to aid in world planning and survival > Subject: FWD>Advanced Land Imager Picked for First New... > > Douglas Isbell > Headquarters, Washington, DC April 10, 1996 > (Phone: 202/358-1753) > > Ernie Shannon > Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD > (Phone: 301/286-6256) > > Diane Ainsworth > Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA > (Phone: 818/354-5011) > > RELEASE: 96-67 > > ADVANCED LAND IMAGER PICKED FOR FIRST NEW MILLENNIUM EARTH SCIENCE FLIGHT > > An advanced, lightweight scientific instrument designed > to produce visible and short-wave infrared images of Earth's > land surfaces has been selected as the focus of the first > NASA New Millennium program mission dedicated to the > agency's Mission to Planet Earth enterprise. > > The capabilities of the Advanced Land Imager instrument > to be demonstrated on the flight will serve multiple > purposes, according to Dr. Charles Kennel, NASA Associate > Administrator for Mission to Planet Earth. > > The new instrument will demonstrate remote-sensing > measurements of the Earth consistent with data collected > since 1972 through the Landsat series of satellites, which > is used by farmers, foresters, geologists, economists, city > planners and others for resource monitoring and assessment. > In addition, it will acquire data with finer spectral > resolution, a capability long sought by many elements of the > Earth observation data user community, and it will lay the > technological groundwork for future land imaging instruments > to be more compact and less costly. > > "We looked at nearly a dozen different mission concepts > in some detail, and a land surface imaging mission clearly > was at the top of this year's priority list," Kennel said. > "It will ultimately enable first-class science, by > validating breakthrough technology with clear potential > capabilities, both commercially and to the future of NASA's > Earth Observing System." > > As designed, the Advanced Land Imager represents an > approximate sevenfold decrease in mass and electrical power > usage demands compared to the current Landsat 5 > multispectral instrument. In addition, it extends the > existing measurement capabilities through the incorporation > of an advanced high resolution hyperspectral imaging > "spectrometer-on-a-chip." This novel, wide-field observing > system requires no scan mirror. It is built around a > lightweight integrated silicon carbide structure and optical > system, with an innovative in-flight calibration system. > > Under project management by the Goddard Space Flight > Center, Greenbelt, MD, the Advanced Land Imager will be > developed from instrument technologies proposed by members > of the existing New Millennium Integrated Product > Development Teams. > > For this mission, the team of industry partners will be > led by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Lincoln > Laboratory, Lexington, MA, a federally funded research and > development center. Lincoln Lab and its partners will > provide open access to U. S. industry regarding the design > and performance of the Advanced Land Imager, with the > explicit purpose of expediting the transfer of this > technology into the commercial sector. > > The instrument will feature ten-meter ground resolution > in the panchromatic (black-and-white) band and 30-meter > ground resolution in its other spectral bands, using a four- > chip multispectral focal plane array that covers seven of > the eight bands of the current Landsat. Hyperspectral > capabilities, which further split these bands into highly > differentiated images, will be tested to show that they can > be combined into traditional Landsat-equivalent data sets. > > "The combination of multispectral and hyperspectral > capabilities in a future operational system would preserve > and continue the invaluable Landsat-based record of global > land cover change, while opening up new windows on the Earth > in areas like precision vegetation studies and more accurate > mineral identification," Kennel said. > > The spacecraft support structure, including advanced > electrical power and data-handling subsystems, will be > provided by Swales & Associates, Inc., Beltsville, MD, and > Litton Industries, College Park, MD. The effort also will > incorporate advanced spacecraft technologies made available > through the New Millennium Integrated Product Development Teams. > > The power and data subsystems will be provided through > a Space Act cost-sharing agreement that calls for Litton to > develop the hardware and integrate it into the New > Millennium spacecraft, while providing the company > with a two-year license to commercialize the technology. > "This innovative arrangement, which includes a major > commitment from Litton to integrate and deliver the > hardware, represents an exciting new way of doing business > for Goddard," said Center Director Joseph Rothenberg. > > Further potential industry partnerships in the mission > beyond those already identified will be solicited in a > workshop to be held during upcoming advanced definition studies. > > The total NASA cost of the first New Millennium Earth > science mission, including its Small Expendable Launch > Vehicle, has been capped at $90 million. Launch is planned > for late 1998. > > The current mission operations concept for the New > Millennium flight has the spacecraft flying autonomously > several minutes ahead of the ground track flown by the > planned Landsat 7 satellite, to provide accurate paired- > scene comparisons between the new and the traditional > observing technologies. Evolutionary versions of the > Advanced Land Imager would be candidates for flight on > future generations of NASA Earth Observing System missions, > beginning with the AM-2 spacecraft. > > Formally started in NASA's FY 1996 budget, the goal of > the New Millennium program is to identify, develop, and > flight-validate key instrument and spacecraft technologies > that can enable new or more cost-effective approaches to > conducting science missions in the 21st century. The > overall program is managed by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, > Pasadena, CA, for NASA's Office of Space Science, Office of > Space Access and Technology, and Office of Mission to Planet > Earth, Washington, DC. > > An artist's rendering of the spacecraft, in GIF and > JPEG formats, may be accessed through the Internet. Via the > World Wide Web, use the URLs: > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/images/ali.gif > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/images/ali.jpg > > Via FTP, log on to ftp.hq.nasa.gov as anonymous and go to > the directory /pub/pao/images. > > -end- > > NASA press releases and other information are available > automatically by sending an Internet electronic mail message > to domo@hq.nasa.gov. In the body of the message (not the > subject line) users should type the words "subscribe > press-release" (no quotes). The system will reply with a > confirmation via E-mail of each subscription. A second > automatic message will include additional information on the > service. NASA releases also are available via CompuServe > using the command GO NASA. > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:40:12 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FWD>Space Radar Reveals Anc (fwd) Bruce Fairchild writes: > From gw.numenet.com!numenet.com!owner-mission-earth Fri Apr 19 14:29:15 1996 > Message-Id: > Date: 19 Apr 1996 16:11:43 -0600 > From: Bruce Fairchild > Subject: FWD>Space Radar Reveals Anc > To: "press-release-com@mercury.hq.na" > X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 > Sender: owner-mission-earth@scs.org > Precedence: bulk > X-Comment: Discussion forum on simulation to aid in world planning and survival > Subject: FWD>Space Radar Reveals Ancient Segments of > > China's... > > Douglas Isbell > Headquarters, Washington, DC April 18, 1996 > (Phone: 202/358-1753) > > Mary Hardin > Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA > (Phone: 818/354-5011) > > > RELEASE: 96-77 > > SPACE RADAR REVEALS ANCIENT SEGMENTS OF CHINA'S GREAT WALL > > Scientists in China are using space radar images to > locate and study two generations of the Great Wall of China > that have been eroded and buried in places by centuries of > blowing sand. > > "In the images, we can recognize two different > dynasties that built the Great Wall. One was built in the > Ming Dynasty and is about 600 years old. The other was > built during the Sui Dynasty and is more than 1,000 years > old," said Dr. Guo Huadong, a SIR-C/X-SAR science team > member from the Institute of Remote Sensing Applications at > the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing. > > The radar images were taken by the Spaceborne Imaging > Radar C/X-band Synthetic Aperture Radar (SIR-C/X-SAR) that > flew on the Space Shuttle Endeavour in April and October of 1994. > > The Great Wall is one of several archeological sites > around the world being studied through the use of the space > radar images. Other sites include Angkor, Cambodia, the > Lost City of Ubar in Oman and the Silk Road along the desert > of northwestern China. > > "Archeology wasn't one of our original science > objectives, but the imaging radar data has been found to be > very useful for this type of research. It's an exciting > spin-off," said Dr. Diane Evans, the SIR-C project scientist > at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), Pasadena, CA. > Evans is discussing the radar's role in archeological > research this week at a symposium at the University of > Florida, Gainesville. The week-long conference has been > organized by the World Monuments Fund, the Royal Angkor > Foundation and the university, with support from the J.M. > Kaplan Fund and the Samuel H. Kress Foundation. > > The Great Wall of China dates back to the 3rd century > B.C., when it was built to protect the country from northern > invaders. The wall, which spans more than 1,860 miles, has > been periodically rebuilt and modified throughout history by > each reigning dynasty. > > The scientists are studying a segment of the wall about > 430 miles west of Beijing in a remote region of the north- > central China desert. The most recent version of the wall > was built by the Ming Dynasty during the 14th century and it > is clearly visible both on the ground and in the radar data. > An older version, built during the Sui Dynasty, runs > parallel to the present wall. > > "Part of the wall is visible on the surface, but part > of it is buried by the strong winds that blow sand dunes > across this part of the desert," Guo said. "In this region > the wall was made out of loose soil and mud, not bricks or > rocks. Usually you cannot find these segments even if you > go there, so the radar data are helping to show us the whole wall." > > "Using radar to look at archeological structures has > been very powerful because the radar is sensitive to > vertical structures, such as walls. Even if they are highly > eroded, like these segments of the Great Wall, the radar is > able to capture a reflection off it and the wall shows up > quite clearly in the radar image," said Dr. Jeffrey J. > Plaut, the SIR-C experiment scientist at JPL. "This is a > part of the world where we can also take advantage of the > radar's ability to penetrate through layers of dry sand to > image buried structures. The multiple channels of the SIR- > C/X-SAR system increases our ability to detect different kinds > of structures that a single-channel radar system would not see." > > The Spaceborne Imaging Radar project is managed by JPL > for NASA's Office of Mission to Planet Earth, Washington, > DC. SIR-C/X-SAR is a joint mission of the United States, > German and Italian space agencies. > > Radar images of the Great Wall at various resolutions > are available over the Internet on the JPL SIR-C/X-SAR home > page at the following URL: > > http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/sircxsar/ > > -end- > > NASA press releases and other information are available > automatically by sending an Internet electronic mail message > to domo@hq.nasa.gov. In the body of the message (not the > subject line) users should type the words "subscribe > press-release" (no quotes). The system will reply with a > confirmation via E-mail of each subscription. A second > automatic message will include additional information on the > service. NASA releases also are available via CompuServe > using the command GO NASA. > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:23:05 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Re: Commendation: JOE MOORE Me too! Steve Brant ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 03:43:08 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Goodall Organization: York University Subject: Build it and He will come...... Has anyone out there actually built a geodesic dome or attempted to? I'm seriously thinking about building one, but I have no idea how large a task it is, or how expensive. If you have some experience or know some websites on how to bulid them, then gimme some needed insight man. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 13:35:05 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Press Briefing to Reveal New View of Urban Growth (fwd) In-Reply-To: <9604192021.aa20300@bbs.cruzio.com> ------------------------------------------------------------- mother-board not bad, not very poetic but the idea is more digestable than saying all wealth comes from the sun. in onother email there was a talk about viewing the earth as boards of comminication. one board could recieve all the critical information from very important news groups, or important centers and check if their articles are of the most importance to the rest. the most critical articles should go to as many boards as possible. these last one whoud have star system( little silly) similar to the one used by hotels. some way of network may imerge as being significant, giving some order to the great information revlution. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:04:09 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: R. Buckminster Fuller Show on PBS. In-Reply-To: <4l8jfe$hbd@freenet.vcu.edu> > Steve Brant wrote: > > >I am still very > >concerned that there are a few (I'm not sure how many) individuals who are > >looking to keep things "the way they like it." i am sorry to say, but this way of talking is very general with no particular details of how it really works; who is controling what. who are these few- it is like saying the rich is getting richer an the poor is getting poorer. i think there should be depth research on all aspects relating to this issues. > > I agree. p.c there 750,000 millionaries In U.S in 1995. system theoroy is the clue to informing the public. new style of jurnalism. the links in the chain are the fragments disscused sepratly. i am curious, i have somtimes the feeling that if my email not respond to that someone there does not like what i write. do some of you have the same feeling, or you rather keep it impersonal; ok. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 08:13:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Build it and He will come...... In-Reply-To: <4l9mgc$k29@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> > Has anyone out there actually built a geodesic dome or attempted to? >I'm seriously thinking about building one, but I have no idea how large >a task it is, or how expensive. If you have some experience or know some >websites on how to bulid them, then gimme some needed insight man. At the risk of insulting fellow sympathisers with the "Woodstock" sensibility, who might be on the list, I will mention something that an engineer recently told me. I was looking into domehomes, and most of the literature was pretty old. I noticed that the domehomes of the 'sixties and 'seventies had a variety of problems; they were notorious for leaking, mainly. I mentioned this to someone with a background in engineering, who is a Bucky Fan and wants to build a domehome himself. He told me this: Bucky never intended these homes to be "crafted" by a couple of "longhairs" in a weekend - he meant them to be mass-produced, like cars, to very precise specifications. The industrialisation of housing was the main point of it all, and the savings in money, time and materials that this would permit. Now that there are companies actually doing this, you can buy kits; the companies also offer extensive help in planning your dome, helping you understand all the different aspects of homebuilding. (A search of the 'Net will pull up the names of these companies.) Unless you're a very experienced engineer or architect, I don't think it would be a good idea to attempt to build a dwelling from scratch. It could be a disastrous experience. If you want to build a gazebo, as someone mentioned, or a tent, or even a greenhouse, the risk of disaster is far less; but an actual home is a very serious undertaking. Unless you ARE a contractor, you will no doubt NEED a good contractor. I'm not sure if you were thinking of a real home, or something else; but there's a lot of older literature out there that can deceive you as to how "easy" it is to build a quality home this way. The first thing you have to do, is an enormous lot of research. It appears to me, so far, that a delightful home CAN be built, for perhaps a third to a half less money than a traditional one in most areas. But the undertaking itself is still just as serious and complicated as building a conventional house. Best Wishes. -Agnes. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 08:28:53 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Build it and He will come...... In-Reply-To: <4l9mgc$k29@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca>; from "John Goodall" at Apr 20, 96 3:43 am John Goodall writes: > Has anyone out there actually built a geodesic dome or attempted to? > I'm seriously thinking about building one, but I have no idea how large > a task it is, or how expensive. If you have some experience or know some > websites on how to bulid them, then gimme some needed insight man. Before you even THINK of building a full-scale dome, you better build LOTS of models. It's a lot cheaper to make mistakes with models than with the real thing. And besides, models take up a lot less room than full-scale structures. You can learn just as much with models (math, geometry, configurations, etc.), and you can even use the parts over again. Document your model-building process (photos, slides, drawings, etc.) so that you can look back and see how far you have come.You will not be able to save all your models because they will take up too much room, and the trouble and expense of buying new materials will start to become a burden. So set up a system for identifying and saving in an organized way the record of your process of exploration. It will become a valuable record for future reference. (I found slides most useful because later I scanned the best into my computer to use in various projects.) One further note: I discovered way into the process of exploring domes that TENSEGRITIES were the basis of ALL domes! So I explored tensegrities. But the point here is that I did the whole thing BACKWARDS! One should study tensegrities first, and then study domes as a special case of tensegrities. Older but wiser, Joe -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 07:59:46 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Frugal food for family Laurel Halbany wrote: >hstrynut@ix.netcom.com (Monica L. Tittle) wrote: >>In addition to all of the wonderful suggestions given here, you could >>also concider giving up meat. Or combine meat eating with house heating? One often-overlooked house heating technique is wabbits. Put enough of them in a well-insulated room, and they can keep it pretty warm... Page 9.12 of the 1993 ASHRAE Handbook of Fundamentals says that a 5.41 lb normally active rabbit makes 39.22 Btu/hour of sensible heat (and another 19.31 Btu/hour of latent heat, ie water vapor), so if the room were say, 12 x 12 x 8' tall, with R20 walls and floor and ceiling and no windows or air leaks, having a surface area of 2(12x12+12x8+12x8) = 672 ft^2 and a thermal conductivity of 672/20 = 33.6 Btu/hr/F, and it were 76 F inside and 36 F outside, one would need 1344 Btu/hr to keep it warm, ie 1344/39.22 = 34.27 bunnies weighing 5.41 pounds each, making 7.25 Btu/hr/lb of heat. The ASHRAE HOF also says that a 6.61 lb cat puts out 45.57 Btu/hr, so one would only require 29.49 cats, at 6.89 Btu/hr/lb, to heat this room. Or 1210.81 mice making 1.11 Btu/hr, weighing 0.046 lb, ie 24.13 Btu/hr/lb. Heat output might exceed normally active levels, if one co-deployed both species. Larger creatures make less heat per pound, as varmint volumes grow faster than surfaces. People only make about 1 Btu/hr/lb, even without fur. Larger houses with smaller surface to volume ratios would need proportionally smaller floorspace for their thermal menageries. A walkout basement seems like a good place to keep chickens, or cows, as the Swiss do, with a vapor barrier under the first floor. Off to Abilene... Nick There are 89 institutions of higher learning in the Philadelphia area. What is the correct collective term for such aggregations? Might one call them facultative lagoons, which accumulate sludge in winter, and decompose it in summer? Or "constipations of colleges"? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 12:31:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Frugal food for family In-Reply-To: <4lajji$43s@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu> And if you had all those rabbits, you could raise earthworms under the hutches, to feed your pet turtle. -Agnes (whose turtle is NOT a vegetarian! and likes its dinner on the hoof...) hmmm....maybe the rabbits could spin a hamster wheel, to keep the aquarium pump going... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:25:14 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: LORETTA LORANCE Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS Why is the last book more important than the first? Especially, if the themes set forth in the first are continued throughout the majority of the writings? And, could you clarify the connection of "every time I draw a circle I want to step out of it"? If by circle is implied life's work, Fuller never stepped out of his carefully constructed circle. He just kept expanding its diameter. Of course, one can also wonder about the necessity of drawing a "circle": a closed system with clearly separated interior and exterior spaces. Loretta >Maybe if you are wanting to dicuss a man's life work you should look at >his last book rather than his first. After all he was the man who said >that "everytime I draw a circle I want to step out of it." > >Jack ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:36:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: <01I3RNE6W0BM0047F7@GAUDI.GC.CUNY.EDU> >And, could you clarify the connection of "every time I draw a circle I want >to step out of it"? If by circle is implied life's work, Fuller never >stepped out of his carefully constructed circle. He just kept expanding its >diameter. I think that by "circle", in that context, he meant his ideas and perceptions about Universe; not "life's work." And as you note, those perceptions were always expanding... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 20:31:11 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul J Theriault Subject: syncswim at bigo@world.std.com Steven Lee Combs and Syncorswim, Inc. will be residing at a temporary address: bigo@world.std.com Any messages can be e-mailed there or posted to the newsgroup. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 00:43:55 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul J Theriault Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Subject: Bucky on PBS The last book is more important than the first because Bucky did not fall from heaven a complete work - he spent a lifetime becoming what he was when he wrote Synergetics I and II, Critical Path, and Cosmography. We tend to think of Bucky as a complete genuis from day one - but he was an ordinary human being who applied himself to a set of self-disciplines that produced extraordinary results in the end (and along the way). The large part of the battle as we move beyond Bucky will be to separate the man and his-story from the ideas and events he set into motion. I am a confirmed Bucky fan. But it is not necessary that we convert others to this view. It is necessary that the design science revolution proceed on its own merits, independent of the cult of personality. Sincerely, Steven Lee Combs ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 09:13:30 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Build it John Goodall asked: > Has anyone out there actually built a geodesic dome or attempted to? >I'm seriously thinking about building one, but I have no idea how large >a task it is, or how expensive. If you have some experience or know some >websites on how to bulid them, then gimme some needed insight man. I know of no detailed instructions that would apply to any and all domes, since every company that sells kits uses a different connectorization method. It is not "difficult", but if you have no construction experience, it may be beyond you. Some of the kit vendors hold periodic "dome school", which can be a big help. Prices vary all over the map. I have no idea of current prices, but be aware that the difference between the cost of the kit components and a complete home can be a difference of SEVERAL TIMES. Triangluar windows are a big shocker, since this is not something you can have cut by your local hardware store. In general, I would suggest: BUILD MODELS, MAKE SKETCHES, DO YOUR HOMEWORK 1) Make sure you understand what you are building. This means a model. Maybe more than one model. This also means lots of sketches. Start a notebook. Paper and dowel is much cheaper than real lumber. 2-D drawings on paper can be very misleading when describing a dome. 2) Make the kit vendor clearly indicate a consistent "North" for each drawing and view. Also demand a birds-eye view of the dome framework, showing which components go where. The relative locations of the different struts are a very confusing issue with even the best of plan sets. 3) Make the kit vendors bid against each other on roughly the same dome. Prepare an RFQ, and demand sealed bids. This might make some of them angry, but this is because they are used to "selling" the "dome lifestyle", rather than selling in a competitive environment. 4) Burn up some phone lines and call prior customers. Talk and learn. Write letters. Take a long week end and visit the people you call. Realize that you will not be given the names of anyone who is not a VERY happy camper, so be slightly critical in your private analysis of the things you hear. MANUFACTURING THE DOME COMPONENTS 1) Study the connectorization method of the kit vendor. Compare it to others. Think about the work required to mount the connector on a 2 x 8 or 2 x 6. 2) Buy an electric radial mitre saw with an accurate and lockable angle setting. These saws are often used for cutting molding, but are available in sizes to handle structural lumber. The "funny" angles are much easier when you use such a saw. Admit that cutting with a SkillSaw just won't hack it, and spend the money. You can sell the tools when you are done. 3) If your selected connectorization system uses bolts, buy a drill press to drill the holes accurately. A hand drill will just wear out your arm. Holes that are not square mean connectors at an angle. 4) Buy your lumber in one purchase, and buy it by the "unit". Much cheaper. Consider buying from a small-time lumber mill - there is at least one sawmill every 50 miles or so, but one must ask around to find it. Buy only the connectors and the plans from the dome-kit vendor, since shipping lumber is expensive. 5) Buy a book, and learn how to stack the lumber correctly, since it WILL shrink/expand in the months that you will spend preparing the components. 6) Plan very carefully. If the kit instructions do not outline how to minimize waste by cutting specific struts from specific lengths of lumber, sit down and figure it out yourself. 7) Set up a mass-production "line", where lumber is cut, drilled, and stacked by strut type. Just to be sure, come up with a color code, and spray some paint on each strut to identify it. 8) Create jigs or patterns for marking the drill points on each end of each type of strut. Most dome kits have a tolerance of 1/16th of an inch on the relative location of the drill holes, so the jigs/patterns are a very good idea. 9) Get serious about space. You will need some space to man-handle 6, 8, 10, and 14-foot struts, you need space to stack the prepared struts, and you need space to position your equipment. A typical (40-foot diameter) dome has enough structural struts to create a stack that pretty much fills 1/2 of a two-car garage to a height of 4 feet. 10) If you bolt the hardware to the struts "in the shop" rather than onsite, be aware that the struts will not stack as nicely with the hardware on the ends. 11) A pneumatic or electric impact wrench of the type used by tire stores is a great help when bolting things together. It will also assure that bolts are tight enough. 12) Consider the coating on the hardware. I like painting everything (except nuts/bolts) with zinc oxide paint, regardless of the claims of the vendor. I also like using anti-seize on the bolts and nuts themselves. One never knows if one might need to do some maintainance, but unrusted hardware and bolts that are not "frozen" are a good general idea. Of course, I also like aircraft-grade bolts/nuts, which is total absolute overkill which cannot be justified by any rational excuse... ASSEMBLY 1) This is not a one-man job. Enlist some friends. 2) Build the complete subfloor before you put up the first strut. You need the floor to roll the scaffolds upon. 3) Rent some scaffolding. Don't try to get by with ladders. Buy/rent everyone a hard hat. Bolts have a habit of getting dropped from high places. 4) Rain sucks. Keep the struts in the truck or trailer until they are needed. If it starts raining, your stuff is dry. (This presumes that you have loaded the truck/trailer in the correct order so that the components are grouped in the order required.) In the event of rain, scrub the assembly project, and reschedule for another day. 5) Consider paying the foundation guy to come and supervise the attachment of the first layer of triangles to the foundation sill. He/she is an expert in this area, and this will also allow you to raise an eyebrow (or perhaps fist) if things don't line up 100% properly. 6) DON'T CLIMB ON THE FRAMEWORK!!!! Many photos exist of workers climbing monkey-like on the framework of an unfinished dome. Don't even think about it. Use the scaffolds. Too many people catch their tool belt, an electric cord, or whatever, and fall. No work gets done if everyone is rushing someone to the emergency room (how far IS the hospital from your site?) 7) Make one person the "strut librarian", and allow no one else access to the strut stacks. This will keep some sanity, since the "sturt librarian" and an assitant or two can be positioning the struts required for the NEXT layer while the assemblers are putting up the present layer. 8) Make one person the "keeper of the diagrams", (this is a great job for someone with a fear of heights or a distate for manual labor) and have this person check each and every strut as it is assembled to make sure that struts are in their correct relative positions. If you make a few copies of the assembly drawings, and use colored pencil to color the struts to match your color code, the job is made simple. If you built a model, color-coding the model is even better. Check off (or attach a self-adhesive label to struts in a model) each strut as it is checked. 9) Take photos!!! I have never bothered to get someone to take photos, otherwise, I would HAVE a website with "step-by-step instructions". Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" Have Rest Stops. Why? james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 09:14:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: dome homes I posted a list of companies offering dome-home kits yesterday, and shortly after, i received a video from one of them - DOMESPACE, in New York. I thought I should let everyone know that this is NOT a geodesic dome, and if you are only interested in geodesics, you might want to omit this one from the list. The house is gorgeous on the inside, and very elegant on the outside - it looks like a flying saucer, and seems to look a lot more "natural" in the environment than a lot of the geodesics I've looked at. But the dome is constructed of trapezoidal units, not triangles. The company makes the same claims for it that the Geodesic companies do, regarding its safety in hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes If you're interested in unconventional housing in general, you might want to look at it; but it's not geodesic :-( ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 20:27:29 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Goodall Organization: York University Subject: Re: Build it and HE will come..... John Goodall (yu108582@yorku.ca) wrote: oops.....fucked up...see article below ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 18:00:16 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: springspace website Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com i just finished the beginning of the next stage of improvements to my Struck website. see: http://www.wolfe.net/~setebos/springspace.html where you'll find more introductory text, a better background, a few more links to the rest of buckyspace, and improved gif screencaptures from struck. the screencaptures i had on there before had the stereo images stored in two seperate halves so i could easily reverse them for cross-eyed vs. parallel-eyed stereo viewing. this resulted in a problem, however. on browser screens less than the proper width, the stereo images appeared one on top of another, instead of properly side-by-side. as gerald de jong was the only one i knew of who could do parallel-eyed stereo viewing with such large images, and as he is now able to do cross-eyed viewing, i decided to re-do all the gifs so that each one has both stereo-halves. they are all now cross-eyed stereo only. if anyone out there is able to make their eyes diverge enough for parallel viewing, you'll have to download, and cut-n-paste to fix these images for yourself. i've also made these images directly linkable-to from the springspace page, so that they can be easily downloaded. finally, there are a few more gifs and RBFs than there were before, and, most importantly, the way has been paved for easy expansion of the gallery and the utilization of these images in text descriptions of the explorations they illustrate. -k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 03:05:22 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Re: R. Buckminster Fuller Show on PBS. Regarding my admittedly generalized statement about the powerful few still running things, I haven't thought this the place to get into a lot of specifics. I read a lot of magazines, from Business Week and Fortune to Utne Reader and Mother Jones. Mother Jones' new issue is all about the USA's tobacco companies and how they have influenced the Republican party, including the supposedly "grass roots" organizations that campaign on the notion that the government should get off the backs of the people (and the corporations, too, of course.) I invite you all to read this particular magazine, then perhaps we could all engage in a dialogue on the nature of their investigative reporting (ie. what they've uncovered. Do we believe it or not? etc.) Steve Brant ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 22:48:06 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dan McEvers Organization: DMC Subject: Geodesic resources? Could someone point me to the archives for this group? Also, is there a bibliography for geodesic topics? Finally, as a CAD novice, I haven't figured how to get any results from importing .dxf files. How do you get a 3D dome, including abilitly to determine angles and strut lengths? Thanks. -- dmcevers@poweramp.net ==> http://www.poweramp.net/~dmcevers (Spokane, WA) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:33:10 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tom Dosemagen Subject: Re: Build it and He will come...... I have built a 44 foot diameter dome from a precut package that I purchased fromNatural Spaces. (they are one of the companies on the list) I am not a contractor but with the help of friends and relatives I managed to construct myself a fairly nice home. I'm not so sure that the cost savings is as great as memtionedhere but a dome should cost a liitle less than a box type house with the same sqaure footage. A lot of people still think that domes leak, but they are living in the dark ages. If a dome is shingled properly it won't leak. I will tell you that building a dome is a challenge because most us aarae not used to working with angles other than 45 and 90 degrees. Natural Spaces as well a toher dome manufactures offer domes building schools. I would strongly recommend going to one of these before you attempt to build yourself a dome. Good luck in your quest. Sorry about all of the typing errors but I'm a lousy typist. Domes over boxes Tom ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 07:13:29 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: NATIONAL BUCKY SPECIAL I would just like to note that to the best of my knowledge the recent Bucky special was the first on national TV in 26 years! -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 07:51:55 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic resources? Comments: cc: Synergetics List In-Reply-To: ; from "Dan McEvers" at Apr 21, 96 10:48 pm Dan McEvers writes: > Could someone point me to the archives for this group? http://ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu/~listserv/GEODESIC/ > Also, is there a bibliography for geodesic topics? Until a bibliography can be installed at the BFI website (http://www.critpath.org/bfi) you will have to dig through the archivea and/or the FAQ (http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf/fuller-faq.html) > Finally, as a CAD novice, I haven't figured how to get any results > from importing .dxf files. How do you get a 3D dome, including > abilitly to determine angles and strut lengths? > dmcevers@poweramp.net ==> http://www.poweramp.net/~dmcevers (Spokane, WA) A little over my head; maybe someone in the group can help you. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:36:25 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: BFI web site Comments: To: Bill Paton In-Reply-To: ; from "Bill Paton" at Apr 22, 96 10:19 am Bill, I think the Manifesto of the Fuller Research Foundation that you are looking for is in _No More Second Hand God_, pages 65-73 (Chapter 5). I'm fairly sure the BFI has that book for sale. Joe -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:09:17 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Paul R. Kosuth" Subject: Re: East St Louis In-Reply-To: <4l89dr$82q@news.ccit.arizona.edu> On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Matt Cheselka wrote: > What ever happened to Bucky's E St Louis 'crater' project he spoke so much of > in 'Critical Path'? > > Thanks, > > Matt Cheselka > > -- > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > Matthew Cheselka, Philomat Center for Astronomical Adaptive Optics > internet: dione@as.arizona.edu Steward Observatory > wk: (520) 621-1624 hm: (520) 575-0992 > http://aquarius.as.arizona.edu:8080 > On July 5, 1995 The Old Man River project was revisited at a meeting in E. St Louis. Bill Perk, who worked with Fuller during his Carbondale Southern Ill Univ days says that he thinks the project will be a go within the next decade. Perk was interviewed in a follow up show to _Thinking Out Loud_.. At what point the actual plans and, more importantly, the funds are at this point I don't know. Paul Kosuth prkosuth@prairienet.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:03:39 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Robert Hettinga Subject: Re: syn-l: Re: Geodesic resources? Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <9604220751.aa16814@bbs.cruzio.com> At 10:51 AM -0400 4/22/96, Joe Moore wrote: > Dan McEvers writes: > > Also, is there a bibliography for geodesic topics? > > Until a bibliography can be installed at the BFI website > (http://www.critpath.org/bfi) > > you will have to dig through the archivea and/or the FAQ > (http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf/fuller-faq.html) > Hi, folks. I'm Bob Hettinga, and I've created a kind of geodesic-money site called The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/ I'm interested in the net as a geodesic network. Since our communications structures eventually become our organizational structures, and thus our economies, I'm also a result interested in the net as a substrate for a non-hierarchical geodesic economy, with strong cryptographic protocols, like digital cash or other digital bearer certificate technologies, as the enabling agent. Take a look around! Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "If they could 'just pass a few more laws', we would all be criminals." --Vinnie Moscaritolo The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:07:45 -0400 Reply-To: OREGDOME Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: OREGDOME Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Build it and He will come...... Oregon Dome, Inc.: http://www.domes.com As a dome manufacturer, I've participated in a few dome projects, for homes, churches and restaurants. I have read several of the responses to your query and would agree to most of them. Extremely high quality domes are produced in factories by several manufacturers. Each of the manufacturers will produce a dome that will enable you to see some level of cost savings over a square/rectangle home. The packages, however, vary in level of completion. Some manufacturers produce only the hubs that are used in a hub and strut system. They then provide a plan that generally must be redrawn by an architect to fit your site requirements (this depends on state regulation and your or your carpenters level of comfort with plans that may or may not include interior wall dimensions). At Oregon Dome, we have found that the greatest level of savings is achieved by having as much produced in the factory as is possible. We produce a panelized kit that includes riser walls and all of the natural openings, which are framed to your rough opening specifications. This system produces a dome that, with the foundation and main floor system in place, can be assembled into a sheathed shell in a weekend. We also produce the most complete plans available. They are engineered for your site and do not have to be redrawn. Interior walls are measured and details are provided to aid construction. Finally, I would like to respond to the comment of the gentleman who purchased a dome and noted that the interior layout was more complicated due to the lack of square angles. Odd angles and pie-shaped rooms are only one style of design for domes. We also have many plans that feature square angles and conventional shaped rooms. While many people can debate the merits of each style of design, by producing plans with square angles, we are able to save clients thousands of dollars in carpentry costs. Sorry about the length of the response. Our web site is up with more information and pictures. Drop me a note when you have further questions. Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:15:28 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Davis Organization: Security Services / Oregon State University Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Nick Pine wrote: > > george wrote: > > >...the thermal conductivity of soap film isn't in my heat transfer text. > > I wonder what heat transfer text you are using. > > I guess it's like a very thin film of water, or anything else, eg plastic > film, as far as stopping convection, and good enough to stop some of the > IR radiation, ie the bubble wall would ideally be thick enough or opaque > enough slow down IR losses considerably. > > >I'm guessing its a reasonable conductor - > > The wall itself, yes, but the air inside the bubble is less conductive. > > >it your "wall" is thin (like a double paned window) you wouldn't gain > >anything filling it with bubbles. > > Can you define "anything"? :-) > > >If you had a thicker wall you might gain something > >assuming you could get the bubbles to stay put. > > That's the idea... > > Nick I have to agree with George. Logic tells me you have provided numerous small wet paths for energy transfer via the bubble walls. Before the bubbles transfer relied on convection in the air in the space. David davis davisd@ucs.orst.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:56:58 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: darryl parker Subject: Re: Precast Concrete Panel Domes Several years ago I found a copy of Hugh Kenner's "Geodesic Math..." book in a university library and began working with the formulas on a spreadsheet, building tensegrities, and constructing various models from posterboard. After a couple years of wearing my fingers to the bone with scissors and paper I then discovered AUTOCAD, AUTOVISION (renering), and AME (solid modeling). It cost me a substantial amount of money to get the programs, and upgrade my computer to run the programs, (not to mention the time required to learn how to draw in 3D and use the programs), but to me it was well worth the investment both in money and time. Because what formely took me several dozen hours, to make a dome model with paper and glue, now takes me less than an hour. Of course, I can't hold the computer models in my hands, but the rendering program gives me all that I need to see, allowing me to view the models from any angle. Plus the programs give me accuracy well beyond what is necessary for construction tollerances. I have yet to construct a human-sized geodesic dwelling space. But like various ones have been discussing recently, the homework must come first. My interest is also in low cost construction just for personal use. I have no interest or intention of going into the dome-building business. This is strictly a hobby to me. But I would eventually like to move out of my travel trailer and into something that has a few more square feet of floor space. I am particularly interested in precast concrete technolgy, which I believe could merge well with the geodesic technology. I have been designing some panels on my computer while consulting with an engineer in the pre-cast industry about the idea. He has answered alot of questions for me already. But so far I have not found any information about what other designers have accomplished in building pre-cast geodesic concrete structures. I strongly suspect that my idea is not novel, which doesn't disappoint me in the least. So instead of reinventing the wheel, I would like to glean from the experience of others concerning the precast panel idea. By the way, I have received information about the outfit in Florida (American Ingenuity) which makes concrete domes with foam panels. Their concept is intersting, but not what I had in mind. I am interested precast concrete panels with only about 1/2" grout gaps rather than 12" or so gaps. My calculations indicate that the precast concrete technolgy could be a very cost-effective way of building. Darryl Parker ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:38:32 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: joe.o@UKONLINE.CO.UK Organization: UK Online Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Albrecht Kadlec wrote: >Hi Nick, >nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) writes: >> >> george wrote: >> >> >...the thermal conductivity of soap film isn't in my heat transfer text. >> > Perhaps we are being just a little too restricted in our conceps here? What if we developed some' lateral thinkng' It just so happens that I have a (proven) system to which I had never considered 'air bubble technology' Why ? it never occured to me, until now. Please have a look at my site on and let me know how you see 'air bubble technology' fitting in with 'DIY Basement Renovations'? or 'Green Roof Technology' for that matter? Kind regards, Joe O'Donoghue. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:57:09 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James McCaig Subject: Re: Precast Concrete Panel Domes Dear Darryl, Your concept is very interesting to me. Do your precast panels have frames, or what method of reinforcing do you visualize. My dad was in the pre cast business years ago with a proprietary system that employed engineered panels with steel frames. The concrete used perlite in the mix for lightness and insulating properties. The panels were welded to the building framing. How would you seal these buildings? My interest is in a concrete dome, earth sheltered. The computer modeling ability that you have developed should be a cost effective system for testing various ideas. At 07:56 PM 4/22/96 -0500, darryl parker wrote: >Several years ago I found a copy of Hugh Kenner's "Geodesic Math..." book in >a university library and began working with the formulas on a spreadsheet, >building tensegrities, and constructing various models from posterboard. >After a couple years of wearing my fingers to the bone with scissors and >paper I then discovered AUTOCAD, AUTOVISION (renering), and AME (solid >modeling). > >It cost me a substantial amount of money to get the programs, and upgrade my >computer to run the programs, (not to mention the time required to learn how >to draw in 3D and use the programs), but to me it was well worth the >investment both in money and time. Because what formely took me several >dozen hours, to make a dome model with paper and glue, now takes me less >than an hour. Of course, I can't hold the computer models in my hands, but >the rendering program gives me all that I need to see, allowing me to view >the models from any angle. Plus the programs give me accuracy well beyond >what is necessary for construction tollerances. > >I have yet to construct a human-sized geodesic dwelling space. But like >various ones have been discussing recently, the homework must come first. > >My interest is also in low cost construction just for personal use. I have >no interest or intention of going into the dome-building business. This is >strictly a hobby to me. But I would eventually like to move out of my >travel trailer and into something that has a few more square feet of floor >space. > >I am particularly interested in precast concrete technolgy, which I believe >could merge well with the geodesic technology. I have been designing some >panels on my computer while consulting with an engineer in the pre-cast >industry about the idea. He has answered alot of questions for me already. > >But so far I have not found any information about what other designers have >accomplished in building pre-cast geodesic concrete structures. I strongly >suspect that my idea is not novel, which doesn't disappoint me in the least. >So instead of reinventing the wheel, I would like to glean from the >experience of others concerning the precast panel idea. > >By the way, I have received information about the outfit in Florida >(American Ingenuity) which makes concrete domes with foam panels. Their >concept is intersting, but not what I had in mind. I am interested precast >concrete panels with only about 1/2" grout gaps rather than 12" or so gaps. > >My calculations indicate that the precast concrete technolgy could be a very >cost-effective way of building. > >Darryl Parker > Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 22:00:04 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: Commendation: JOE MOORE In article , Danu Smith wrote: > >********************************************* > >I'd like to personally commend > >Joe Moore for taking such an active role > >in this newsgroup. > >Also for always being helpful in > >providing information for others. > >********************************************* > > Here Here !! I'll raise my glass Jack ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:36:05 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: CAD measurement of dxf Dan McEvers asked: >> Finally, as a CAD novice, I haven't figured how to get any results >> from importing .dxf files. How do you get a 3D dome, including >> abilitly to determine angles and strut lengths? I presume you are talking about dxf output from the famous "DOME" program. The specifics of measuring depend upon the CAD program you are using. I can help on only two CAD programs: With AutoCad: AutoCad Release 13 has a "Calculator" (Tools Menu, Calculator) which can be a big help in this regard. The "D.E.E." function (Distance from end to end) will measure strut lengths, as will the DIST function. Syntax is "dee(endpoint, endpoint)" The ANG function will measure the angle between the x axis and a line defined by two points (upon which you click). Syntax is "ang(p1, p2)" The ANG function will also measure any angle if you include the apex of the angle. Syntax is "ang(apex, p1, p2)". The problem with this function is that you must rotate your viewport to show the angle "dead-on", since AutoCad wants to project the angle onto the (x,y) plane. With Microstation, things are much easier, which is why I tend to use Microstation for my work. From the Measurement pallette, select either "Measure Distance" or "Measure Angle", depending upon what you want to measure. Click as prompted, and measurements appear. Microstation deals well with 3D space, and vectors all angles in polar terms. If you are using something other than AutoCad or Microstation, I dunno, as I have not used other CAD programs. There are Usenet newsgroups, such as comp.cad.*, which may be a better place to look. Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" Have Rest Stops. Why? james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 22:45:06 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: Build it In article <199604211314.JAA27047@crucible.inmind.com>, James Fischer wrote: > 9) Take photos!!! I have never bothered to get > someone to take photos, otherwise, I would HAVE > a website with "step-by-step instructions". Do you have photos now? Are they posted somewhere where we can have a look? Jack ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 22:28:48 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In article <01I3RNE6W0BM0047F7@GAUDI.GC.CUNY.EDU>, LORETTA LORANCE wrote: > Why is the last book more important than the first? Especially, if the > themes set forth in the first are continued throughout the majority of the > writings? If nothing else would you not agree that Bucky was interested in doing more with less. ? That seems to me to be what he was trying to do during the course of his whole life. Do you not think he acheived 'some' sucess at that? > And, could you clarify the connection of "every time I draw a circle I want > to step out of it"? If by circle is implied life's work, Fuller never > stepped out of his carefully constructed circle. He just kept expanding its > diameter. Bucky is not God. He knew that. He came to learn, more than most, how little he knew. He saw the need to use his mind like a rudder that was always steering the ship back on course because the ship was always off course. When you hear a man state "I am the most unlearned man I know. I don't know anyone who has learned how little he knows as have I" you do justice to the man by accepting that his last statements will have less error than his first. > Of course, one can also wonder about the necessity of drawing a "circle": a > closed system with clearly separated interior and exterior spaces. Read Synergetics (The geometry of THINKING ) > Loretta > > >Maybe if you are wanting to dicuss a man's life work you should look at > >his last book rather than his first. After all he was the man who said > >that "everytime I draw a circle I want to step out of it." > > Jack ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:37:04 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Bono Organization: HiLINE Internet Services, Inc. Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In article <9604190821.aa29053@bbs.cruzio.com>, joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM says... > >Filip De Vos writes: >> am27 (Agnes_M_McLEAN@UMAIL.UMD.EDU) wrote: >> : I've been reading Hugh Kenner's book about Bucky, *Bucky: A Guided Tour >> : of Buckminster Fuller*, and it's been amazing to me. Twenty years ago, >> Could somebody please post the ISBN number and the publisher of Kenner's >> book? >> On this side of the pond, it is kind of difficult to obtain books without >> these extra pieces of info. I allready asked my bookseller to check, but >> in the CD-ROM they get (BIP - Books In Print) no mention could be found >> of Kenner's book. >> fidevos@eduserv.rug.ac.be single meal to the US space station will > >Kenner's book is out of print; however, you might try Dave Morrison Books at: > >morrison@teleport.com ($50) > >The book was published by William Morrow & Co., Inc, New york, 1973. >Don't have the ISBN number. > >Your best bet is through an inter-library loan. > >-- > >JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. Sorry I don't have the info at hand. But try and download my dome program which is based on Kenner's book. The source code and text files both have full references to Kenner's book including ISBN numbers. You can download this at http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/index.html Rick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:11:09 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Build it Jack Lazariuk asked: >Do you have photos now? Are they posted somewhere where we can have a >look? Sadly, no. As I said, I have never bothered. Mistake. Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" Have Rest Stops. Why? james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:37:16 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Fuller Research Foundation notes I am interested in exploring any of Fuller's "Manifestoes" and have just studied his article on the Fuller Research Foundation. I found it quite dense and made some notes to put them into an understandable form. I know there are parts that I have probably misinterpreted, and so I would be interested in anyone's comments or corrections. They can post them here or e-mail me at: bpaton@inforamp.net Thanks, Bill Taken from: The Fuller Research Foundation, 1946-51, from "No More Secondhand God and other writings" by R. Buckminster Fuller. Copyright 1963. After World War One we became aware of the accelerating magnitude of technical advantage over dynamic environment and man now harvested the network of all history's knowledge and its derivative technology. Most important to the foundation was the direct experiences acquired while first initiating development, production, and distribution of complex products and services which embodied the new technical advantage, both in direct design and as indirect changes within arts, economics, geographical and psychological patterns. Consequently, new strategies for (A) pre-enterprise investigation and (B) technique of scientific objectivity in complex prototyping started in 1927 by me. The strategy and technique was based on worldwide knowledge of direct experimentation and measurement under itemized conditions. The term "Dymaxion" was adopted to represent this. As a result of experiences in frequently repeated "trial balance" initiations of prototype engineering; trend tendencies diferentiation and overall measurement, progressive strategy reorientation and self-education and re-education the comprehensive undertaking was formally incorporated in 1946 as the Fuller Research Foundation. The Fuller Research Foundation was clarifyingly dedicated to: 1. Creating common wealth through individually conceived, intuitively urged and spontaneously joined, search, research and enterprise in future furthuring of MAN IN DYNAMIC UNIVERSE ADVANTAGE. 2. "More with less"ing based on natural laws which through competent comprehensive designing creates artifacts, thus: 3. Creating abundance, thus avoiding the need for war and fostering mutual good will and faith. 4. But the foundation only searches, researches, or acts within areas of exploration not taken seriously and unfunded by 5. Business and government as each operates in the first phase of realization. (production) The foundation's unorthodoxy is given serious thought by practical men, who encourage/subsidize it monetarily for its undertaking which are: Businesswise outside normal budgetary efficiency and too risky and unprofitable and commercially untried. When the "routine probables" of business and the "approximate certainties" of government fail to materialize, each blames the other. However, the discovery of utterly new patterns which the foundation is professionally concerned may furnish concepts, data, and implications which may renew understanding and basic industrial strategy advance. That one in a million chance may justify its existence. The foundation's undertakings are seen governmentwise as lacking certainty and acceptability of common focus characterizing problems of public convenience, sloughed off, for example as if it were just common conern for "weather" or abundances and shortcomings or in irritating regulations based on emergency extended beyond emergency. Because the FRF projects must re-examine and invent new words, it makes idea packaging of concepts and undertakings difficult. New words and needs become obvious only after years of non obvious, yet persistent trends which are denounced or rejustified by government to business. Government subsidizes business by various means such as maintaining roads and harbours, underwriting projects and dealing with seemingly profitless enterprise which become profitable as business ventures. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:18:28 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Build it and He will come...... Comments: To: OREGDOME In-Reply-To: <4lghth$idu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> ------------------------------------------------------------- > At Oregon Dome, we have found that the greatest level of savings is > achieved by having as much produced in the factory as is possible. We > produce a panelized kit that includes riser walls and all of the natural > openings, which are framed to your rough opening specifications. This > system produces a dome that, with the foundation and main floor system in > place, can be assembled into a sheathed shell in a weekend. how much does it cost to build complete house, and how much for the kit; if you want to ship it to north africa, what is the cost Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:56:54 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: R. Buckminster Fuller Show on PBS. In article <960422030518_195983840@emout18.mail.aol.com>, Steve Brant wrote: > Regarding my admittedly generalized statement about the powerful few still > running things, I haven't thought this the place to get into a lot of > specifics. *snip* > I invite you all to read this particular magazine, then perhaps we could all > engage in a dialogue on the nature of their investigative reporting (ie. what > they've uncovered. Do we believe it or not? etc.) > Many on this list are interested in the subject. Are you familiar with the way Bucky approached the subject as detailed in 'Critical Path' and 'Grunch of Giants'. Jack ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:37:59 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: R. Buckminster Fuller Show on PBS. In-Reply-To: <960422030518_195983840@emout18.mail.aol.com> ------------------------------------------------------------- > I invite you all to read this particular magazine, then perhaps we could all > engage in a dialogue on the nature of their investigative reporting (ie. what > they've uncovered. Do we believe it or not? etc.) > > Steve Brant > i would like soon to read a littl in this area, but as you know you cant do everything at the same time. i watche a documantary in dutch, Holland is big on documantaries), my dutch is 100 times worst than my english, but it seems that it is the first time a big industry come under scruitniy and much have been exposed; it could be that this the beginning of more informative material ocmming from the Gaints closed doors. my impression was that some of these poeple are more hungry for power than money. there was a book written by famous french buroucrat who brought the thesis that goverment cant deal with country affairs because they are becoming more complex, and he predicts the end of the state as we know it. scin fiction writer predicts that politician will be out by 2050 , i think that is to long to wait, i hope it happens sooner. we hardly know anything about the oil companies, which is very critical to know about; i have a feeling about the pattern i am looking for, but unless i do some search i would not know the details. Mother jones as i remember is very political; which is good but i want the kind of sophistication Fuller zeroed on. i am just talking, no criticizm of what you are combiling, i think you are doing just fine i remember, and somtimes i think it was sort of halucination, that when Fuller was in seattle to give a lecture in a college, he came from the audiance entrence ,there was silence, i looked on my side here was F walking besid the rows of chairs, and what i noted was the chain that hang from his jacket, in the chain there were the geometrical volumes in gold; tetr, oct, ect --i hardly remember the insident( they were quite thick; he probably spent thousand for them) Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:16:42 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Organization: Philadelphia's Complete Internet Provider Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS LORETTA LORANCE (llorance@EMAIL.GC.CUNY.EDU) wrote: : Why is the last book more important than the first? Especially, if the : themes set forth in the first are continued throughout the majority of the : writings? Depends on one's perspective. I find the later works more mature. But the earlier ones have much value too. : And, could you clarify the connection of "every time I draw a circle I want : to step out of it"? If by circle is implied life's work, Fuller never : stepped out of his carefully constructed circle. He just kept expanding its : diameter. I think it's logically impossible to "step out" of one's life work. Though compared to others, I think Fuller was open minded and looked at things in a fresh unbounded way. This may be what was alluded to by "stepping out of a circle". -- Christopher J. Fearnley | Linux/Internet Consulting cjf@netaxs.com | UNIX SIG Leader at PACS http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | (Philadelphia Area Computer Society) ftp://ftp.netaxs.com/people/cjf | Design Science Revolutionary "Dare to be Naive" -- Bucky Fuller | Explorer in Universe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:50:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: <4li3la$m7u@netaxs.com> i really like your sig., "Dare to be naive." do you mind if i use it too? (where did bucky use it?) i remember a Piet Heim verse: "Naive you are if you believe life favors those who aren't naive." -agnes ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:01:21 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marc Visconte Organization: Dis-Roganized Subject: Listserv I assume, based on the "listserv" part of this newsgroup, that I can get articles mail directly to me instead of doing a mail/ newsgroup run on weekends. If I am wrong, would someone dis-abuse me of the notion? If I'm right, would someone tell me how? Marc Visconte mviscont@freenet.vcu.edu -- Marc Visconte CSC, Ft Lee, VA mviscont@freenet.vcu.edu c'est moi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:46:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Listserv In-Reply-To: <4lj221$hgf@freenet.vcu.edu> it would seem to me, that you are *subscribed*. our stuff should be sitting in your INBOX all the time. Happy BUCKYSTUFF!!!!!! -Agnes ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:24:24 -0400 Reply-To: PLonewolf Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: PLonewolf Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Commendation: JOE MOORE I'll do the same and raise the glass to a man who puts in alot of time. Thanks Joe!!!!!!! Pierre A. Lonewolf Lonewolf Communications KOTZ-AM Kotzebue, Alaska 99752 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:14:48 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS Chris-- Fuller's statement "every time I draw a circle I want to step out of it" seems to me not unlike what Tibetan Buddhists call the "Process of Going Beyond." According to this idea, all theories, structures, and limit conditions are merely constructs--that is, temporary constructs. The process of going beyond is simply keeping this in mind as one extends one's limits to more inclusive ideas or models or constructs. --Kiyoshi >LORETTA LORANCE (llorance@EMAIL.GC.CUNY.EDU) wrote: >: Why is the last book more important than the first? Especially, if the >: themes set forth in the first are continued throughout the majority of the >: writings? > >Depends on one's perspective. I find the later works more mature. >But the earlier ones have much value too. > >: And, could you clarify the connection of "every time I draw a circle I want >: to step out of it"? If by circle is implied life's work, Fuller never >: stepped out of his carefully constructed circle. He just kept expanding its >: diameter. > >I think it's logically impossible to "step out" of one's life work. >Though compared to others, I think Fuller was open minded and looked at >things in a fresh unbounded way. This may be what was alluded to by >"stepping out of a circle". > >-- >Christopher J. Fearnley _____________________________________________________________ Kiyoshi Kuromiya Critical Path AIDS Project Address: 2062 Lombard St, Phila., PA 19146 Email: kiyoshi@critpath.org Hotline: (215) 545-2212 (24-hr) Fax: (215) 735-2762 or (215) 545-2212 Internet or BBS: (215) 463-7160 Web Home Page: http://www.critpath.org Beeper: (800) 973-8084 for toll-free call-back ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:52:43 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: Re: Listserv Marc Visconte: >I assume, based on the "listserv" part of this newsgroup, that I can >get articles mail directly to me instead of doing a mail/ newsgroup >run on weekends. > >If I am wrong, would someone dis-abuse me of the notion? >If I'm right, would someone tell me how? you're right. mailto: listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu with the message: subscribe geodesic and if you are interested in _synergetics_, there is the synergetics-l mailing list as well: mailto listserv@teleport.com with the message: subscribe synergetics-l syn-l doesn't come as a newsgroup, btw. and for those of you subscribed to geodesic who might not have known, list geodesic *does* come as the newsgroup bit.listserv.geodesic - in case you want to check it out via a friend's account while on vacation or whatever. -k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:14:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: perfect rejoinder - from, I presume, Bucky's 'Adjuvant'. We are all "works in progress." -Agnes >Chris-- > Fuller's statement "every time I draw a circle I want to step out of it" >seems to me not unlike what Tibetan Buddhists call the "Process of Going >Beyond." According to this idea, all theories, structures, and limit >conditions are merely constructs--that is, temporary constructs. The >process of going beyond is simply keeping this in mind as one extends one's >limits to more inclusive ideas or models or constructs. > >--Kiyoshi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:39:33 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Listserv Comments: cc: mviscont@freenet.vcu.edu In-Reply-To: <4lj221$hgf@freenet.vcu.edu>; from "Marc Visconte" at Apr 23, 96 5:01 pm Marc Visconte writes: > I assume, based on the "listserv" part of this newsgroup, that I can > get articles mail directly to me instead of doing a mail/ newsgroup > CSC, > Ft Lee, VA > mviscont@freenet.vcu.edu In the To line put listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Leave Subject line blank In body put: Subscribe geodesic YourFirstName YourLastName --- Apparently it is possible to send email to the list without actually being a subscriber (I haven't actually tested this out--is anyone willing to experiment and report back?) If you are already subscribed the computer will tell you so. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:46:51 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Who controls what Comments: To: lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com In article <960422030518_195983840@emout18.mail.aol.com>, Steve Brant wrote: > Regarding my admittedly generalized statement about the powerful few still > running things, I haven't thought this the place to get into a lot of > specifics. *snip* > I invite you all to read this particular magazine, then perhaps we could all > engage in a dialogue on the nature of their investigative reporting (ie. what > they've uncovered. Do we believe it or not? etc.) > >Many on this list are interested in the subject. Are you >familiar with >the way Bucky approached the subject as detailed in 'Critical >Path' and >'Grunch of Giants'. I have read both books. Please let me know what your reading of those books suggested to you about this subject. Otherwise, I'm left having to guess what point you would like to make with your reference. Thanks. Steve ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:06:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: Re: Listserv joe: >Apparently it is possible to send email to the list without actually being a >subscriber (I haven't actually tested this out--is anyone willing to >experiment and report back?) just like any newsgroup, you can post to bit.listserv.geodesic, and those posts will also be distributed to all mailing-list subscribers. in other words, bit.listserv.geodesic and list geodesic are just the same, except for the interface. in fact, i believe a few regulars here (e.g. kirby?) aren't subscribed at all, but only post via the newsgroup. the newsgroup does seem to lag behind the mailing list by a few days, so anyone who feels the need to stay absolutely up-to-date here should probably subscribe. -k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:23:09 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Merlin Levine Subject: Re: GREAT PIRATES At 08:20 AM 4/17/96 PDT, Joe Moore wrote: >QUOTE: > > [IMAGE] > > THE GREAT PIRATES > > by Flemming Funch, 7 December 1994. > In his book "Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth", in the chapter > "Origins of Specialization", Buckminster Fuller tells the story about > what he calls "The Great Pirates". This is my greatly shortened > version of it: _________________________________________________________________ > > A Great Pirate would naturally want to maintain his position, and he > had to sleep once in a while. He therefore at first surrounded himself > with dull-witted but loyal men of muscle. Only he himself planned and > coordinated his operations, and his men simply did what they were > told. > The Great Pirates started to encourage and employ people of great > skill in specialized areas. There might be, for example, a greatly > skilled and experienced Navigator. And there might be a master Weapon > Builder, an accomplished Master Historian, a Politician, a Ship's > Captain, a General, and so forth. > > Each of those people were cultivated to a high level of skill. But > also, it was made clear to each one that they had better stay within > their specific field, or they would lose their head. > > The Great Pirate himself would be the ONLY person who knew the whole > picture. He would know the plan, he would know where ships would go > and why, he would know what they would find, who they would meet, he > would know what to trade and what to steal, he would know who to trust > and who not to. None of his people would ever be allowed near the full > picture, and none of them could therefore possibly replace him. > - Flemming UNQUOTE. > >JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe, Good summary, but it does leave out something very critical. Bucky would certainly want to remind us that what we call pirates, WERE the British Navy, and that the entire concept of the modern university arose from the training that was required for officers in the the navy and to hold positions in the East Indies Trading Company. The result: we've created armies of academic specialists who don't know a thing about the BIG PICTURE. They, like the crew on the Great Pirate ships, are afraid to step out of line, because they know that they DON'T KNOW how their specialism fits in to the BIG PICTURE. | This is, of course, | why Bucky preached /| GENERALISM. / | --------------------------/--|-------- Rick Merlin----------- \ IN THE CYBERSPACES, /-_-|-------- Levine -------------\ C#O#N#N#E#C#T: /-_--|----------------------------------\ \ the rest is silence /-_---|--- weaving my webs from -----\ \ & geometry /-___--| http://www.halcyon.com/rlevine/ \ \__________________/_______|_____________________________________\ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ / \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \ \_/ Rick Merlin Levine, Redmond WA _/ \ VOX (206)882-3481 \_/ / \_/ \ rlevine@halcyon.com / \_/ \_/ \_/ FAX (206)867-1202 / \ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \ www.halcyon.com/rlevine/ \_/ / \_/ "When the digital revolution rolls over you, you're _/ \ \_/ either part of the streamroller or part of the road." / \_/ \_/ / \_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/ \_/ \ (W I R E D M A G A Z I N E ) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:53:28 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: darryl parker Subject: Re: Precast Concrete Panel Domes >Dear Darryl, > >Your concept is very interesting to me. Do your precast panels have frames, >or what method of reinforcing do you visualize. My dad was in the pre cast >business years ago with a proprietary system that employed engineered panels >with steel frames. The concrete used perlite in the mix for lightness and >insulating properties. The panels were welded to the building framing. > >How would you seal these buildings? My interest is in a concrete dome, >earth sheltered. > >The computer modeling ability that you have developed should be a cost >effective system for testing various ideas. > >Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington >Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore >United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi > > jmccaig@worldweb.net Dear Maharaj, I am certainly not a structural engineer and probably need to consult with one before I proceed too much further in this project. But from what I understand so far about the nature of concrete, it has tremendous compressive strength but relatively little tensile strength. That is why a material with relatively great tensile strength, such as steel or iron, needs to be incorporated into the design wherever the structure might come into tension. So if the design can be kept in perfect compression, like bricks stacked one upon the other, then the need for steel reinforcement can be virtually eliminated. The only reason those in the precast industry incorporate steel mesh into the building panel designs is for handling purposes while the concrete is still green. They can't wait for the concrete to reach full strength before removing the panels from the forms because their living depends upon making one pour per day. Now when I talk about reinforcement steel mesh being incorporated only for early handling purposes, I am only talking here about panels which are designed to be kept in compression at all times when finally installed. Other precast members, such as beams or floors, naturally come under tension on the bottom 1/3rd cross-sections. Therefore, steel reinforcement, such as rebar, is integrated most heavily into the bottom sections of the concrete panels or beams to counteract these tensile forces. I need to have a structural engineer do some stress modeling of a concrete dome on his computer in order to determine if the structure will ever come under tension. Just setting there it ought to remain under compression, like an igloo. But when encountering high winds it might be subjected to some kind of tensional forces. Being economy minded as I am, I don't want to overkill on the use of reinforcement steel. On the other hand, I am not about to build a death trap for the sake of saving a dollar. So I am going to continue doing my homework. But as far as using a steel frame around each precast panel, I don't believe that will be necessary. Just a little wire mesh for handling purposes. My current idea is to construct an inner dome from precast concrete panels. Then stack straw bales around the dome like an igloo for insulation (R-value of 40+). Then apply wire mesh on top of the straw bale surface, followed by a layer or two of jetcrete. This should result in a super-strong, super-insulated, relatively inexpensive (as compared to conventional construction methods), shell. The jetcrete can be made fairly waterproof by adding waterglass (sodium silicate) to the mix or applying it to the surface of the concrete. Tnemic paint could also be applied to really seal it well. If straw bale insulation sounds bizzare to you and gives you imaginations of rot, mold, fungus, bugs and such, then you ought to check out the facts about straw bale constuction methods on the various available web sites. If built properly, straw bales can be almost perfectly preserved for decades, and keep you toasty too. EARTH SHELTER Now as far as your earth shelter idea, I have a few things for you to strongly consider before forking out megebucks on that idea. About a decade ago I was gung ho on the idea of building earth shelter and underground homes. Then I talked with my solar energy guru at the time, who was a pioneer in that industry and a thermodynamics whiz, about the concept. He asked me a few probing questions in response to my inquiry: "Why do you want to build underground homes?" I answered, "Because of their energy efficiency." "What makes you think they are more energy efficient than conventional construction?" "Because the ground is warmer than the outside air." Keep in mind I was living in Montana at the time where the primary concern was heating a structure during the 9 months of winter. He said, "If you compare the average underground temperature for the nine months of the heating season to the average outdoor temperature for those same nine months in Montana, you will be surprised to find out that it is actually colder underground than above ground. So the BTU loss will actually be greater for an underground structure than an above ground structure (assuming the R-values are the same). Is there another reason why building underground attracts you?" "Well, the earth-cover eliminates heat loss from infiltration (air exchanging through cracks)." "You can accomplish the same the same objective (cutting down infiltration) with an above ground structure for much less cost by applying a vapor barrier (polyethelene) on all interior walls and ceilings and carfully sealing all of the plastic seams with silicone. Plus seal the plastic around all exterior windows, doors and electrical outlets. Then apply your sheetrock and finish work. The result will be an almost perfectly air-tight structure. But the advantage will be that you don't have to spend thousands of extra dollars trying to support a massive amount of earth when you can accomplish the same objective for less than a hundred dollars with a few rolls of plastic, a few tubes of caulking, and a little extra time in construction." >From a thermodynamics point of view he had me nailed to the wall. He did mention, however that in certain parts of the country, particularly in the hot south where cooling is the primary concern, earth shelthered homes can make sence from a thermodynamics POV. They are also of some benefit in tornado country. Well, a few years after that conversation I moved to southern Oklahoma, right in the middle of tornado alley. My enthusiasm for earth shelter homes was spoiled and I was on to other adventures. Upon arrival, I was surprised to discover the number of underground and earth sheltered homes that exist around here. They seemed ubiquitous. Probably built by folks who live in constant dread of tornados. Glorified fradie holes (storm shelters, for those back in Montana). I have had opportunities to talk with owners and former owners of some of these homes and you would think some of them were relating to me a nightmare. They talk of mushrooms and mold growing under the beds, leaks that are virtually impossible to repair, the feeling of living in a cave with windows in just one end, and a constantly high level of humidity with musty odors. It is no wonder that these homes are constantly for sale. No sooner is one sold and the For Sale sign is up again by the new owners. Now I am sure that there do exist underground home owners who are very happy with their living environment, but I haven't found any yet. Anyway, please don't let me discourage you from continuing your research into the concept. Darryl Parker goldnoil@texhoma.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:16:31 GMT+0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Venter, Dawie" Organization: Denel Informatics, Cape Reg Office Subject: Re: Build it When prospecting for gold, finding the vein carrying the pay dirt (geodesic newsgroup) causes a flurry of excitement and anticipation. The good stuff is right here but you still have to sift through a lot of rubble to extract gold dust. Occasionally however, you strike it lucky and find a priceless nugget that certainly makes the effort all the more worthwhile. To me, James Fisher's reply to James Goodall concerning hints and suggestions for building a dome home is a real nugget, if ever I saw one. Thanks James, that contribution is very much appreciated. Dawie Venter ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:08:53 GMT+0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Venter, Dawie" Organization: Denel Informatics, Cape Reg Office Subject: Re: CAD and .dxf > Finally, as a CAD novice, I haven't figured how to get any results > from importing .dxf files. How do you get a 3D dome, including > abilitly to determine angles and strut lengths? > dmcevers@poweramp.net ==> http://www.poweramp.net/~dmcevers (Spokane, WA) I have obtained excellent results by running Rick Bono's DOME program. The latest DOME info can be found at http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/html/domes.html. DOME is also available via ftp from: ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/bin/dome42.zip The *.dxf files generated by the program is then imported into AutoCad or any other CAD program with a 3D drafting ability. The best result obtained was to get DOME to generate full sphere models and then deleting the bits you dont want. The model thus generated will have strut lengths equal to the chord factor. The entire model may now be scaled up to the size required. Angles, strut lengths etc. can be read directly off the model, using the dimensioning features of the CAD program. Regards Dawie Venter ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:59:17 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Geoff Armstrong Subject: Re: Commendation: JOE MOORE As a 'Bucky lurker' I just want to add my note of appreciation for the work carried out by Joe. I don't get to travel to the US very often; but I was in MIA last week and managed to get hold of both Critical Path and Synergetics at 'Border books' in Coconut Grove. So after reading these I hope I can be more active on the list. The work carried out by Joe will certainly help me follow up, as I've saved many of his references and I think they are especially useful for someone like me who is still trying to get into the fascinating world of Bucky Fuller. Geoff Armstrong ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:35:46 -0400 Reply-To: WBlackledg Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WBlackledg Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: GEODESIC DOME HUBS Hi, Does anyone know where I can get info about do it yourself Geodesic dome housing, Connectors, Plans, GEO-CAD, or anything else to do with Geodesic home building. The retail kits I have seen, seem expensive compared to the same amount of lumber at a lumber yard. Is there something about Geodesics that demand the use of a kit or can a mathmatical,mechicanical idiot like me build one from scratch? thanks, wblackledg@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:02:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: I've managed to track down a lot of Bucky books now; and it surprises me that even at this date, there doesn't seem to be a formal biography. Does anyone know if there might be someone working on one? It would be nice to have a chronicle of the human dimension of such an unusual man... I could have missed it (let me know) - but Kenner's book seems to come closest, and even he looked forward to the day when a formal biography was done. -Agnes ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:05:59 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James McCaig Subject: Re: CAD measurement of dxf Dear friends, This post from James demonstrates why the group is interesting to those of us who are Bucky fans, philosophically, but not technically up to the conversation. When this writer gets around to building a dome, James Fischer and other participants in this group will be on my shopping list. It's nice to watch pros at work and James and Darryl fill the bill. At 11:36 PM 4/22/96 +0000, James Fischer wrote: > Dan McEvers asked: > >>> Finally, as a CAD novice, I haven't figured how to get any results >>> from importing .dxf files. How do you get a 3D dome, including >>> abilitly to determine angles and strut lengths? > > > I presume you are talking about dxf output from the > famous "DOME" program. > > The specifics of measuring depend upon the CAD program you > are using. I can help on only two CAD programs: > > With AutoCad: > > AutoCad Release 13 has a "Calculator" (Tools Menu, Calculator) > which can be a big help in this regard. > > The "D.E.E." function (Distance from end to end) > will measure strut lengths, as will the DIST > function. Syntax is "dee(endpoint, endpoint)" > > The ANG function will measure the angle between > the x axis and a line defined by two points (upon > which you click). Syntax is "ang(p1, p2)" > > The ANG function will also measure any angle if > you include the apex of the angle. Syntax is > "ang(apex, p1, p2)". The problem with this > function is that you must rotate your viewport > to show the angle "dead-on", since AutoCad > wants to project the angle onto the (x,y) plane. > > With Microstation, things are much easier, which is why > I tend to use Microstation for my work. From the Measurement > pallette, select either "Measure Distance" or "Measure Angle", > depending upon what you want to measure. Click as prompted, > and measurements appear. Microstation deals well with 3D > space, and vectors all angles in polar terms. > > If you are using something other than AutoCad or Microstation, > I dunno, as I have not used other CAD programs. There > are Usenet newsgroups, such as comp.cad.*, which may be a > better place to look. > >Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" > Have Rest Stops. Why? > >james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com > Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:01:00 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Eikamp, Ron" Subject: Dome workshop roofing material I'm a new geodesic subscriber with an interest in building a workshop for a five to six year building project. The geodesic dome seems ideal for this application. I would like to build an approximately 40' diameter dome structure. It's possible that the dome would have to be dismantled when the building project is finished so the dome should be as economical as possible to build. I believe that I can construct a wood frame work for the dome from the various reference materials available. My question is how to most economically cover the structure. The covering should be watertight and able to support an upper midwest snow load. As much insulation as possible would be desirable. I anticipate a 2x4 framework. If the covering could allow some ambient lighting that would be nice, but the work has to be protected from UV radiation. The project would have use fairly commonly available construction materials. One crude idea for the covering is some sheeting material stapled to the wooden frame and the seams sealed with tape of some sort. Another is to sheet the dome with pressed board siding material, tape the seams, and cover the surface with some liquid roofing material. Any suggestions for covering my dome workspace would be very gratefully received. The building project is a 31' Trimaran sail boat, BTW. Ron Eikamp rone@is.state.sd.us ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:24:23 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Listserv In-Reply-To: <199604240206.TAA22355@wolfe.net>; from "Karl Erickson" at Apr 23, 96 7:06 pm Karl Erickson writes: > just like any newsgroup, you can post to bit.listserv.geodesic, and those > posts will also be distributed to all mailing-list subscribers. in other > words, bit.listserv.geodesic and list geodesic are just the same, except for > the interface. > -k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com Karl, You mean if a person posts to the *newsgroup*, that post will be distributed to the subscribers of the *list* also? That's not my understanding--but I could be in error. Joe Maybe we should ask Pat Salsbury--he started the Geodesic list. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:36:00 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: GREAT PIRATES In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960424052309.00d7ac00@mail.halcyon.com>; from "Rick Merlin Levine" at Apr 23, 96 10:23 pm I didn't write the Great Pirates summary, Flemming Funch did. http://www.newciv.org/ ffunch@newciv.org He has a bunch of good articles at that site; I think under "worldtrans". -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:52:06 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Commendation: JOE MOORE In-Reply-To: ; from "Geoff Armstrong" at Apr 24, 96 9:59 am Geoff Armstrong writes: > I don't get to travel to the US very often; but I was in MIA last week and > managed to get hold of both Critical Path and Synergetics at 'Border books' > in Coconut Grove. So after reading these I hope I can be more active on the > list. Dear Geoff, Thanks for the virtual pat on the back. I try to post stuff that I wish were available when I started studying Bucky. BTW, what is "MIA"? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:20:22 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: <9604241202.AA28117@umailsrv1.umd.edu>; from "am27" at Apr 24, 96 8:02 am am27 writes: > I've managed to track down a lot of Bucky books now; and it surprises me > that even at this date, there doesn't seem to be a formal biography. > Does anyone know if there might be someone working on one? > It would be nice to have a chronicle of the human dimension of such an > unusual man... > I could have missed it (let me know) - but Kenner's book seems to come closest, > and even he looked forward to the day when a formal biography was done. > -Agnes _Bucky Works_ by James Baldwin, 1996 _Buckminster Fuller_ by Martin Pawley, 1990 _Buckminster Fuller's Universe: An Appreciation_ by Lloyd Sieden, 1989 _Buckminster Fuller: An Autobiographical Monolog/Scenario_ by Robert Snyder,'80 _Pilot for Spaceship Earth_ by Athena Lord, 1978 _Buckminster Fuller: At Home in the Universe_ by Alden Hatch, 1974 _Bucky: A Guided Tour of Buckminster Fuller_ by Hugh Kenner, 1973 _Wizard of the Dome: R. Buckminster Fuller_ by Sidney Rosen, 1969 _R. Buckminster Fuller_ by John McHale, 1962 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:33:11 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Precast Concrete Darryl Parker said: >I am certainly not a structural engineer and probably need to consult >with one before I proceed too much further in this project. But from >what I understand so far about the nature of concrete, it has >tremendous compressive strength but relatively little tensile strength. This is a true statement, but most building codes will require some reinforcement bars in ANY poured concrete or pre-cast structural elements, regardless of the application or design features. I am not a mechanical/ structural engineer, so my comments below are either my personal opinion, or the opinion of some dead guy like Newton, who never saw a rebar in his life. Your actual mileage may vary. >That is why a material with relatively great tensile strength, such as >steel or iron, needs to be incorporated into the design wherever the >structure might come into tension. So if the design can be kept in >perfect compression, like bricks stacked one upon the other, then the >need for steel reinforcement can be virtually eliminated. >Now when I talk about reinforcement steel mesh being incorporated only >for early handling purposes, I am only talking here about panels which >are designed to be kept in compression at all times when finally >installed. Other precast members, such as beams or floors, naturally >come under tension on the bottom 1/3rd cross-sections. Therefore, >steel reinforcement, such as rebar, is integrated most heavily into >the bottom sections of the concrete panels or beams to counteract >these tensile forces. The panels would each span a limited surface area of the dome surface? Assuming I am visualizing your design correctly with the statement above, you WILL have some "shear forces" at work on the panels. Since the panels will be covering a "half sphere" (or some fraction of a rough sphere), you will have panels oriented at various angles in (x, y, z) space. They will be attached at the corners and/or edges, so the "dead load" of the panel itself may cause some curvature of the panels. Newton's law of translational equilibrium says that the downward force of the mass of the panel will be opposed by the tendency of the panel to equalize the forces acting upon it, so we have shear. What was a rectangular cross-section of the panel becomes a parallelogram. Once again, our old pal Newton had an excuse for this - the "moment law of rotational equilibrium". The "reactive" shear forces can be thought of several ways, and are handled by various different models, but if one looks at enough old buildings, one can find a few steel I-beams that have "buckled webs". In layman's terms, the vertical part of the "I" becomes wavy. This is due to the net effect of shear, which resolves to diagonal compression and tension on the cross-section of the beam, panel, whatever. Another concern you should have is about fatigue. Unlike most other types of structures, which are "stacked" like something a child would build with blocks, domes are under tension. A "normal" structure tries to obey gravity and fall down at the first excuse. A dome is constantly trying to FLY APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS as opposed to fall down to the ground. This means that the framework of a dome never quite "settles down", but is constantly adjusting itself here and there in response to forces and loads. (If you have a hard time following the above, model of any of the "great circles" of a dome with a 20 foot long length of PVC pipe. Get 2 friends, and have them grab an end of the pipe and walk towards each other until the pipe bends into a nice dome-like curve. Cut the pipe, but stand back when you do. What happens is that the pipe "springs" outward, trying to become two shorter and straighter pipes. That's right kids, domes never fall down until AFTER they are done EXPLODING! Just kidding.) What all of the above means in terms of fatigue is that a well-made dome will take everything thrown at it, and try to equalize the forces over the entire network of struts. This means that the framework of a dome is re-adjusting itself all the time. This single factor alone is why the early domes of the "flower children" had a habit of leaking - the flexing of the struts caused the nails holding the plywood panels to work loose. The same forces that can loosen nails on plywood skins can cause fatigue in pre-cast concrete panels. >I need to have a structural engineer do some stress modeling of a concrete >dome on his computer in order to determine if the structure will ever come >under tension. All domes struts are under tension. If the panels are attached to the struts, then they will be subjected to forces from the struts. >Just setting there it ought to remain under compression, like an igloo. The above statement may not be true. Two semi-famous examples are the domes of St. Peter's in Rome and Santa Maria del Fiore in Florence. Both these domes (while certainly not geodesic domes) were "saved" by wrapping chains around the outside of the base of the domes. These chains were added to keep the base from "failing in an outward direction", which tends to show that there is more going on than just compression. Once again, these are just some things I have learned, and things that you may want to consider. Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" Have Rest Stops. Why? james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:39:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: <9604241020.aa03310@bbs.cruzio.com> Thanks for the booklist; but I guess I was thinking of a posthumous, mainstream bio. - I'll check out the Pawley and Sieden. -Agnes ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:46:24 -0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Ken G. Brown" Subject: Stepping out of a circle?? >> Fuller's statement "every time I draw a circle I want to step out of it" I suppose this does not really relate but by coincidence, last evening a young waitress (working student) came up to a couple of us at a pizza joint and said "Do you guys know anything about math? My boy-friend told me something that's driving me crazy." The fellow I happened to be with is an engineering student so we said, somewhat hesitantly and wondering what we might be getting into, "Go ahead, we'll give it a try." Here's the problem as she related it (no tricks): Imagine wrapping a string around a ping-pong ball on the floor, as an equatorial circumference to the ball. If you then add 20 meters to the length of the string and arrange it in a circle centered at the same center and in the same plane as before, will you be able to stand between the ping-pong ball and the larger string circle? We immediately said yes, no problem. "Ok, she said, I understand that fine." Now imagine a string wrapped around the earth (assume a theoretically perfect sphere) similarly at the equator. Add 20 meters to the string's length and then arrange it circularly as before above the equator, centered at the center of the earth. Will you be able to stand between the earth and the string? Try to answer this before reading on. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- I found the answer...Yes, no problem, (after working it out)... to be quite surprising. The waitress then said "I don't understand how that can be! I understand it mathematically but it just doesn't make sense." Lost in thought and wondering if I had made some mistake, I sort of agreed with her. My intuition says this phenomena could somehow have a practical application but I have no idea what. So I humbly pass it on for your contemplation. -Ken- _____________________________________________________________________ Ken G. Brown, BscEE, PEng. Internet: kbrown@nisku.blackgold.ab.ca Syngen Industrial Control Phone: 403.986.1203 206 Building B, 5904 - 50th Street Fax: 403.986.5299 Leduc, Alberta, Canada T9E 6J3 _____________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:38:50 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Subject: Re: Stepping out of a circle?? At 1:46 PM 4/24/96, Ken G. Brown wrote: >I found the answer...Yes, no problem, (after working it out)... to be >quite surprising. You are saying that the answer to the question "Will you be able to stand between the earth and the string?" to be -YES-? How did you work that out ? I keep coming up with -No-. Jack Lazariuk e.mail lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com Although it has never been es-tablished in a double-blind, crossover study, scientists have found food to be essential to life. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:24:26 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Stepping out of a circle?? Ken G. Brown said: >...Now imagine a string wrapped around the earth (assume a theoretically >perfect sphere) similarly at the equator. Add 20 meters to the string's >length and then arrange it circularly as before above the equator, >centered at the center of the earth. Will you be able to stand between >the earth and the string? >I found the answer...Yes, no problem, (after working it out)... to be >quite surprising. Jack Lazariuk replied: >You are saying that the answer to the question "Will you be able to >stand between the earth and the string?" to be -YES-? How did you >work that out? I keep coming up with -No-. The Earth's circumference is 24,662 miles. (looked it up) 24,662 miles equals 39,681,158 meters (1,609 meters per mile). Circumference = 2 pi Radius Radius = Circumference -------------- 2 pi Radius of earth = 6,315,452.44 meters If we add 20 meters: Circumference = 39,681,158 + 20 Circumference = 39,681,178 Radius = 6,315,455.62 meters Radius delta is roughly 3.18 meters (10.23 feet) I think 10 feet is a decent height to stand under, but then I have an "advantage", being only 5 feet, 8 inches tall. Here's another fun toy to play with. I ask questions like this when interviewing, to see how (and if) applicants think: Q1: What is the Earth's circumference? A: I dunno. Q2: How far is it from New York to San Francisco? A: About 3,000 miles. Q3: How many hours of time difference? A: About 3 hours. Q4: Then how fast is the Earth rotating? A: About 1,000 miles per hour. Q5: How long does the earth take to rotate? A: About 24 hours. Q6: Then what IS the Earth's circumference? A: About 24,000 miles. This is accurate within 3%, which is damn good for a solution using guesstimates. If I am hiring for a highly technical position, I might ask a follow-up question about the impact of the extra day every 4 years, and the impact of that factor on the answer to Question 6. (I am not often THAT picky.) It is surprising how few people can "get" the answer before Question 4. More importantly, has anyone ever wondered about the convenient ratios of sizes and distances between Earth, our Moon, and the Sun? The Moon can perfectly eclipse the Sun, just enough to let us study sun spots and such during eclipses. Not only is this a decent "proof" of God's existence, but also seems to indicate that God bothered to work things out to 15 significant digits. Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" Have Rest Stops. Why? james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:52:11 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul J Theriault Subject: Golden Mean Progression / Phi Spiral Springs Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com Golden Mean Progression: 0.618033... 1.000000... 1.618033... 2.618033... 4.236067... This progression is both arithmetic AND geometric. Add any two numbers in sequence to get the next number in the sequence (arithmetic) or multiply any number by phi (1.618...) to get the next number in the sequence (geometric) or simply raise phi to the next power (exponential). Bucky fans will recall the Malthusian dilemma of geometric population growth outpacing arithmetic food production increase. A golden mean progression allows growth at a rate that maintains ratio as scale increases/decreases. This is why the Struck drawing package being developed on the synergetics-l@teleport.com list is incorporating phi. Phi (the golden mean) is, of course, the diagonal of the pentagon. Fuller fans please spare me a lecture on my digitizing phi on this post. I chuckled along with Bucky during Thinking Out Loud when he spoke of those numbers that go "out the window and over the hill". Sincerely, Steven Lee Combs Syncorswim, Inc. temporarily logging on at bigo@world.std.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:34:19 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Organization: Philadelphia's Complete Internet Provider Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS am27 (Agnes_M_McLEAN@UMAIL.UMD.EDU) wrote: : i really like your sig., "Dare to be naive." : : do you mind if i use it too? It's not mine to restrict use of. : (where did bucky use it?) In the "Moral of the Work" section at the beginning of _Synergetics_ (and elsewhere). -- Christopher J. Fearnley | Linux/Internet Consulting cjf@netaxs.com | UNIX SIG Leader at PACS http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | (Philadelphia Area Computer Society) ftp://ftp.netaxs.com/people/cjf | Design Science Revolutionary "Dare to be Naive" -- Bucky Fuller | Explorer in Universe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:35:39 -0400 Reply-To: OREGDOME Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: OREGDOME Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Dome workshop roofing material You can use any roofing material that you would like on the dome. I would recommend that you avoid getting away from conventional roofing materials though. Experemental roofing will generally cost you more in labor, materials or headaches than the stuff you can get from the local roofing supply store. As for lighting, you can use skylights that have a bronze layer that should block out the UV rays. Any dome manufacturer should have them available in multiple sizes. Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc oregon@domes.com http://www.domes.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:06:34 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: larry mintz Organization: CiteNet Telecom - Commercial Internet Service Subject: Synergia-Bucky Fuller software SYNERGIA FOR MS WINDOWS Synergia consists of 3 programs. 1) The expanded hypertext version of the Operating Manual For Spaceship By Bucky Fuller. 2) The Database Diary 3) dbClient Manager Features of the Expanded Hypertext Version of the Operating Manual... are 1) New material not included in the first book 2) Many hypertext links with nice graphics 3) Each chapter in its own scrollable window 4) You can read more than 2 chapters at once and cruise through the hypertext links. 5) Program allows you to connect to a modem 6) All three programs are integrated in the main menu. Database Diary is a diary in the form of a database. Each entry is a record. Each record is dated and time sealed. Features are: 1) Fully push buttoned. 2) Can search entries(records) by time or date 3) Can store up to 2 billion records on disk. The dbClient Manager is a personal information manager. You can store names,address,notes and bitmaps of people you know. Features are: 1)Can print labels of records 2) Can print hard of records 3) Much of software is push buttoned Software comes with manual. Reqirements: 386/40 or greater CPU VGA color monitor 1 3.5 inch disk drive 10 Megs of hard disk space 4 Megs RAM Cost : $50 CDN If interested send cash,cheque or MO to Larry Mintz c/o Geodesic Software 6625 Mackle Road #604 Cote St Luc,Qc,H4W 2Z8 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:46:55 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In article <9604232150.AA21751@umailsrv1.umd.edu>, am27 wrote: > i really like your sig., "Dare to be naive." > > do you mind if i use it too? > > (where did bucky use it?) > > i remember a Piet Heim verse: > > "Naive you are > if you believe > life favors those > who aren't > naive." Dare to be naive was how he started his book Synergetics. He challanged people to be naive enough to look at everything fresh and he suggested that every person can know almost everything that man has learned so far. Not the specific events but rather the generalized principals. Jack ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:32:06 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Randall J. Burns" Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: Has anyone here built a Tefzel Pillowdome? Has anyone here built a Tefzel Pillow dome greenhouse similar to the one at New Alchemy Institute or the ones that James Baldwin has written about? I'm thinking seriously of purchasing a dome for duel use as an office/storage space and as a greenhouse. I'd like something that is semi-portable (i.e. can be broken down and moved,though I expect I'll only need to do this a couple times in the life of the dome). The closest thing I've seen to an off-the-shelf solution is the stuff from growing spaces. They use polycarbonate for their windows-and wood framing. I've hear some negative things about condensation and this construction approach. Does anyone else have experience with these products? The growing space stuff seems like the best thing out there, but not quite state-of-art(though it may be the state of the art that is actually in production with multiple examples of sites that have been constructed and in use). I expect that I've have to take some extra steps to avoid overheating compared to a dome that would just be used as a greenhouse. The impression I got from Baldwin's new book is that this approach is close but not quite "there". Thanks for the help! RJB ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:00:07 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: A bubble wall? David Davis wrote: >I have to agree with George. Logic tells me you have provided numerous >small wet paths for energy transfer via the bubble walls. Before the >bubbles transfer relied on convection in the air in the space. A lot of little convection paths in series will have more thermal resistance than one big one... Nick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:45:42 -0400 Reply-To: OREGDOME Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: OREGDOME Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Dome Cost Info I was asked for some information about dome costs. Unfortunately, this is a broad question. Domes typically have a finished cost of about US$10.00 less per square foot than a square/rectangle house. This will, of course, vary based on region, dome size, floor plan, and the number of domes that we are constructing. Given a plan and a list of finishings, I can prepare a rather accurate cost estimate. For shipping bids, I need to know the site that we are shipping to and the size of the project. To help you get a feel for cost drivers, I'll offer some guidelines. In general, The smaller the dome, the lower the cost advantage that the domes (although there are, of course, exceptions). Regions with high building (especially labor) costs will see higher savings amounts. Plans which utilize odd angles (pie shaped rooms) tend to have higher finished costs due to added carpentry time. Plans with single plumbing walls tend to have lower costs. Plans that utilize multiple extensions will have higher costs and loose some of the advantages that domes impart in energy efficiency and disaster resistance. Any material that is available for conventional housing may be used in a dome, allowing us to avoid custom materials. Dome construction experience in your labor is not required, although experienced contractors may occasionally give lower bids. Hope this helps, Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. http://www.domes.com oregon@domes.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:50:15 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ross Keatinge Organization: Internet ProLink NZ, Auckland Subject: Re: Geodesic framework as playground equipment bpaton@inforamp.net. (bill paton) wrote: >One of the most interesting type of this that I have seen was on the tv >show Beyond 2000 where a New Zealand scientist designed a geodesic type >dome playground structure, but it was set up along the ideas of North and >south, and the winter and summer solstice, in effect, a very simple real >life planetarium that you could learn various information in the real >world. It doesn't sound like quite the same thing but I've seen a simple two frequency icosa half sphere as playground equipment here in New Zealand. The Auckland University creche which I used to walk past everyday has one. Its just the bare icosa but I could call them and ask where it came from if you like. Regards Ross -- Ross Keatinge rossk@iprolink.co.nz Auckland, New Zealand ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:24:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: >Dare to be naive was how he started his book Synergetics. He challanged >people to be naive enough to look at everything fresh and he suggested >that every person can know almost everything that man has learned so far. >Not the specific events but rather the generalized principals. >Jack I've been following a long-runnng thread on USENET, on the subject of "The Bell Curve" - long-winded arguments over statistical fine points, which seem ridiculous, after you've read Bucky on Race... and last night I realized how much Bucky's ideas have simplified my thought, on race and so many other things. He showed us how to cut away so much useless intellectual 'avoirdupois', and in the end our energy is conserved for so many more important endeavors. Arguing itself has begun to seem ridiculous to me, since Bucky; so much of it rooted in sheer Ego. He knew exactly how to put it, when he said "Dare to be Naive" - how many of the intelligentsia would welcome the dumping of all the complications that prop them up? Bucky was very courageous. -Agnes ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:14:26 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Re: Geodesic framework as playground equipment I've recently found that it came from the Carter Observatory, which have a neat website, but not about the "Pipehenge" project. They are going to send me some stuff about it by post if anyone is interested. Bill Paton bpaton@inforamp.net > >One of the most interesting type of this that I have seen was on the tv > >show Beyond 2000 where a New Zealand scientist designed a geodesic type > >dome playground structure, but it was set up along the ideas of North and > >south, and the winter and summer solstice, in effect, a very simple real > >life planetarium that you could learn various information in the real > >world. > > It doesn't sound like quite the same thing but I've seen a simple two > frequency icosa half sphere as playground equipment here in New > Zealand. The Auckland University creche which I used to walk past > everyday has one. Its just the bare icosa but I could call them and > ask where it came from if you like. > > Regards > Ross > > -- > Ross Keatinge rossk@iprolink.co.nz > Auckland, New Zealand ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:51:33 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Andreas Haffner Organization: MATFORSK Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Nick Pine wrote: > > David Davis wrote: > > >I have to agree with George. Logic tells me you have provided numerous > >small wet paths for energy transfer via the bubble walls. Before the > >bubbles transfer relied on convection in the air in the space. > > A lot of little convection paths in series will have more thermal resistance > than one big one... > > Nick Misunderstanding here, I think: Before you had one large convection path With the bubbles you have many small convection pathes and additionally many *conduction* pathes. Andreas ____________________________________________ * This is my own opinion! ........ I think * MATFORSK - Norwegian Food Research Institute Phone +47 64970168 Fax +47 64970333 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:20:46 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: geodesic home Comments: To: Natalie Tursi In-Reply-To: <317F23A0.321@ix.netcom.com>; from "Natalie Tursi" at Apr 25, 96 12:02 am Natalie Tursi writes: > I have been told that as a member of Buckminster > Fullers News you have a list of geodesic home builders. > We are looking into having a geodesic home built in the Deleware > area, aprox. 2,800 sq.ft. of living space. I would be very intrested if > you had any builders you could recomend to us. > Mail Address: N.R.Tursi Natalie > 3626 Morrell Ave > Philadelphia,PA 19114 I think the BFI (Buckminster Fuller Institute) web site has a list of dome manufacturere/dealers (http://www.critpath.org/bfi). Also you might check out "Goat Boy"'s web site (http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html). If for some reason you can't find the information at those sites (been removed by the owner, etc) let me know and I'll email my copy to you. I hesitate to get into the recommending business. All I am willing to say is that you should look for something that is not biodegradable, that is it won't burn, rot or be eaten by bugs. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:05:16 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Matthews Organization: Wake Forest University Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Andreas Haffner (andreas.haffner@matforsk.nlh.no) wrote: : : Misunderstanding here, I think: : : Before you had one large convection path : : With the bubbles you have many small convection pathes and additionally many : *conduction* pathes. Forgive me if I am off-target, since I missed the initial post. There seems to be debate over whether filling walls with some sort of bubble structure will improve insulation. As long as the bubble surfaces are thin, the answer is clearly yes. Many small convection paths within bubbles would have much lower net heat transport than one big cavity. The smaller the bubbles, the more effective the material. After all, that is what styrofoam is. Consider fiberglass. Fiberglass itself is a relatively poor insulator. Fiberglass insulation (such as the Pink Panther stuff), on the other hand, is mostly air. The principal purpose of the fiberglass in fiberglass insulation is to disrupt convection currents. It breaks the big cavity up into lots of tiny ones. Reduction in radiative transport because of the many layers is also important. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Department of Physics http://www.wfu.edu/%7Ematthews Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:18:24 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brad Lindsay Organization: GetNet, International Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Nick Pine wrote: > > Albrecht Kadlec wrote: > >nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) writes: > >> george wrote: > >> >...the thermal conductivity of soap film isn't in my heat transfer text. > >> > >> I guess it's like a very thin film of water, or anything else, eg plastic > >> film, as far as stopping convection, and good enough to stop some of the > >> IR radiation, ie the bubble wall would ideally be thick enough or opaque > >> enough to slow down IR losses considerably. > > > >I always care about radiation losses last: > >conduction and convection losses come first. > > Sounds like a good idea, until you get up to some temperature. Hmmm. A black > body plate with good insulation on the back and no glazing absorbing 300 > Btu/hour/ft^2 of sun in still air on a (average Phila December) 36 F day > with a US R value of 2/3 should have a temp of 236 F. If it had only radiation > loss, ie 0.174x10^-8((T+460)^4-496^4) Btu/hr/ft^2, the temp T might be > 234.7 F... It might actually get up to a temperature of 130 F or so. > > >So from my point of view, it could be a problem that the thing is NOT SOLID: > > I guess you mean "advantage" when you say "problem"? :-) > > >The trick in using bubble plastic is, that the walls are too thin for > >heatloss via conduction. > > The thin bubble walls have little conductive thermal resistance for heat > flowing perpendicularly thru the wall, but I guess you are talking about > heat flowing parallel to the walls, lengthwise, say, somehow making it > from one side of a large wall full of bubbles to another, by flowing along > the thin bubble walls over a torturous random path from one side of the > large wall to the other by conduction. If the bubble walls were very thick, > like Swiss cheese, that could happen more easily. > > >And the air in the bubbles is trapped in such small bubbles, that no > >convection can take place in the bubbles. > > Not as much as if they were big bubbles. > > >The only losses left are radiation losses. > > Steve Baer discovered that his bubbles had little IR thermal radiation > resistance, because the walls were so thin, he thinks. But he was trying > to solve a much harder problem, because he wanted the sun to shine through > the bubbles and heat up some water in a dish to 130 F, with no glazing (as > I recall.) He wanted his bubbles to have the greenhouse effect, selectively > transmitting shortwave solar radiation and blocking longwave IR re-radiation > in the other direction. A very nice thing, if possible to arrange. In our > case, during the day there would be no bubbles, just 2 layers of glazing, > and there would be no evaporation, and the temp inside the room might be > 70 F, not 130 F. These bubbles would only be inside the glazing cavity at > night, trying to stop ALL heat transfer in the longwave IR and shortwave > visible spectra. > > Bubble walls thinner than light wavelengths look transparent or "black." > As they get thicker, they acquire reflections and colors in the visible > spectrum. We want bubbles that are at least that thick. Reflective bubbles > in the visible spectrum may still be transparent to IR. I suppose these > reflections mainly come from Fresnel losses, ie those resulting from the > impedance mismatch or difference or between the indexes of refraction of > air and water. Each air-water interface might reflect ((n-1)/(n+1))^2 of > the incident normal radiation, assuming the index of air is 1 and the index > of water is n (what is n for water? Less than glass. It's about 1.5 for glass, > which makes the air-glass reflection coefficient rho about 4% at normal > incidence. Reflection coefficients go up for non-perpendicular incidence > angles. For glass-air with a 60 degree incidence angle, rho becomes 9.3%. > There is a complicated formula on page 218 of Duffie and Beckman's book > showing how to calculate this, starting with Snell's law.) > > The index and thus reflection coefficient depends on the wavelength, and rho > also depends on the wall thickness somehow, and whether the water has color > or not, eg some sort of dye, in the IR spectrum... Absorbing lots of energy > in the bubble wall may be almost as good as reflecting it, if there are lots > of small bubbles so the heat has to pass from one to the other in a long > chain from indoors to outdoors. Letting the heat pass right thru the bubble > walls is not good. > > >With soap bubbles, the water around the bubble can move: > > You mean the bubble wall itself... sure. Slowly, one hopes. > > >So a water molecule could absorb energy, and while the bubbles are > >going up, I'd expect warmer bubbles to go up faster. > > I'd hope they wouldn't move much at all. Dr. Grosse's didn't move much. Some > of his bubbles lasted more than a year. His principles of bubble health and > long life are: 1. Dust is the enemy of bubbles. 2. Carbon dioxide poisons > bubbles (better bubbles are not blown by humans), and 3. Bubbles love cold. > They also like humidity. _The Unbelievable Bubble Book_ says (in the > "Permanent Bubbles" section) > > As it turns out, bubble death is preventable, or certainly postponable, > a discovery most definitely made by Dr. Grosse nearly 30 years ago. Among > Dr. Grosse's many other scientific awards and achievements exists the > lesser-known fact that he was once the owner of the world's oldest bubble. > > Prof. Grosse's office was home to a huge collection of aging bubbles > in various states of decay. Under Prof Grosse's meticulous care, > bubbles did not burst. They flattened. But it was a process that often > took many months, in some cases, years. They were created out of an > esoteric bubble solution, and protected fromm deadly dust particles > by glass bell jars. > > Prof. Grosse has described his peculiar collection in this way: > "My first bubbles all died in infancy. They were blown with much > the same kind of soap that Isaac Newton used in his classic bubble > experiments. I turned to the literature and found that a much better > soap was described more than a century ago by the blind Belgian physicist > Joseph A. F. Plateau, who laid the foundations of our present knowledge > of soap bubbles. Bubbles blown with Plateau's solution will last for > several minutes in an ordinary room and for several hours with > proper protection." > > The book mentions that Plateau also created bubbles lasting more than a year. > > >So on sloping or curved construction they tend to reach the outside pretty > >soon, losing their heat energy via conduction to the PE film / outside. > > Steve said that as he recalled, this heat transfer by moving mass wasn't a > problem. Yes, if you pump air and especially liquid at a high rate thru an > empty glazing cavity, that would reduce the cavity resistance, but he said > that didn't seem to be a problem. > > >The bubbles would be great if they were stationary. (not moving) > > That's the idea. Bubbles that are fairly stationary, with a long lifetime. > Humidity is one thing that makes bubbles burst. Dust is another. Neither > would be much of a problem inside a glazing cavity. But recall that Dr. > Grosse made bubble foams that he hung on his office walls, with no glazing... > Sprinkled with sequins, even. > > >I can't believe they're of great value, when they're moving up, > >especially, if the air is exhausted to the outside. > > I agree this should be a closed system, at least to avoid the buildup of dust. > Loss of water and heatloss by massflow out of the cavity would be minor, it > seems to me, even if the air were exhausted to the outside. > > >I'd expect it to be equivalent to have a 50 Watt blower blowing air > >between the two PE sheets which is exhausted through various gaps to > >the outside. > > That doesn't sound like a great way to insulate a window :-) > > >Maybe even worse, since the air would absorb some moisture thus also > >absorbing heat from the surroundings. (evaporative cooling!!!!) > >just imagine the HUGE water surface the bubbles create. > > It sure is mind-boggling. But these would be clumped bubbles, not free > floating bubbles. A foam. > > >Evaporative cooling would be eliminated, if the PE sheets were leak > >free and the water AND air would be cyclead over & over (sucking air > >from the top to create the new bubbles). > > Good idea. I wonder how to pop the bubbles and separate the water and > air at the top, so the air can go thru an aquarium air pump. Something > like this? > ---------------------------- > | ---------------------- | > sand filter?--> | | <-- | | <--bubbles > | | | | > | | ---------- | | > | | | - air | --> | | > | -- | | pump ---- | | > | ---- ---------- | | | <--water > |w| | | |wwww| <--water levle > | | | -- | > | | ---- | > | | water return-> | | > | --------------------- | > ---------------------------- > > Or maybe the right kind of air pump wouldn't mind pumping a few bubbles, > reliability-wise, anymore than it would mind pumping air with 100% RH. > > >So what is left is the cycling of the water & air from the inside > >sheet to the outside sheet: > > Very slowly, one hopes. > > >There would be a significant amount of water running down the inside > >sheet (it's a curved/sloped construction, and gravity does it's job), > >absorbing pretty much heat from the inside. > > The flow rate seems like an experimental question, and a matter of > picking the right bubble solution... And as you say, geometry. The > flow rate would be different for a vertical window or a horizontal > bubble ceiling or the sloped underside of a bubble cathedral ceiling. > It would be nice if these were all minimal water flow rates. Larger > air flow rates are (1000 times) more tolerable. > > . > . > . . > . . . <-- plywood or OSB under EPDM rubber > <-- south . . . > .20'. poly film bubble ceiling . ........... > . . . . . > . . . chicken . > refl. pond . .<- 38' . ->. coop . > ............................................p ~~~~~~~~~ p................ > thermal storage pond-> ppppppppppp > > In the above case it might be nice to try to make the bubbles flow up > from the chicken coop along the underside of the sloped roof and over > the peak and down the south glazed wall at night. During the day, it > would be nice to have bubbles along the sloped ceiling, but not in the > south glazed wall. > > >Some of this water is then contacting the outside sheet as it's > >re-bubbled, losing its energy to the outside. > > Little, we hope. > > >What we would need to gain any profit over the blower-alone approach > >would be an air-tight construction of the two sheets and a liquid > >that'd produce very "sturdy" bubbles, so that the air-movement rate > >could be lowered. > > Right. > > >just my thoughts.... > > Thanks Albrecht. Time for less gedanken experiments? > > NickI just stumbled across your thoughts on heat movement through walls.... "radiation is my last concern"...???? Maybe in your part of the country. Here in Phoenix, we have been building test houses since 1986. What we have found is radiation the primary source of heat movement. This was proven in our last house using no insulation, only a reflective film (radiant barrier) in the walls. The 2400 sq ft home consumed $56.00 in electricity in the month of August! A comparable home would use $300+ with standard insulation products which focus on limiting conductive and convective heat movement. I can be reached at: blindsay@getnet.com Brad Lindsay ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:14:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Martin Tays Subject: Re: Stepping out of a circle?? -Reply Comments: To: lazariukj@PROCESS.CYANCORP.COM ** Top Secret ** >>>>>> You are saying that the answer to the question "Will you be able to stand between the earth and the string?" to be -YES-? How did you work that out ? I keep coming up with -No-. Jack Lazariuk e.mail lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com >>>>>> Did I do the math wrong? My back of the envelop doodling came up with a head room of some 3 meters and change... Martin Tays - mtays@teletechusa.com "I have no pithy comment." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:12:39 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marc Visconte Organization: Dis-Roganized, All Hail Eris! Subject: Re: Golden Mean Progression / Phi Spiral Springs Paul J Theriault wrote: > > Golden Mean Progression: > 0.618033... > 1.000000... > 1.618033... > 2.618033... > 4.236067... > This progression is both arithmetic AND geometric. Add any two > numbers in sequence to get the next number in the sequence (arithmetic) > or multiply any number by phi (1.618...) to get the next number in the > sequence (geometric) or simply raise phi to the next power (exponential). My favorite trick as a child (OK, I was wierd. Was?) was to take it (1.618...) subtract 1, invert THAT (1 / 0.618...) and get what I started with. I would do this for hours at a time. (It's not clear as to whether I was bored, had no friends, or just didn't trust the constancy of math). ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:12:08 -0400 Reply-To: DeVarco Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: DeVarco Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS > I've managed to track down a lot of Bucky books now; and it surprises me > that even at this date, there doesn't seem to be a formal biography. > Does anyone know if there might be someone working on one? > It would be nice to have a chronicle of the human dimension of such an > unusual man... > I could have missed it (let me know) - but Kenner's book seems to come closest I also look forward to a comprehensive, posthumous biography on Bucky. And what a Biography that would be! The myth of Bucky may not be nearly as interesting as the real story when it gets written. It would take many years in his archives, I assume, and perhaps the work of many people. Why? Because there would be no room for inference - he kept it all documented as part of his Guinea Pig B experiment. Joe has offered a great list of Bucky bios and read together, there is still so much more to write about. If anybody wants to know just how comprehensive Bucky's archive is, take a look at the WNET web page, Guinea Pig B section. In "Life, Facts & Artifacts" I attempted to give just a thumbnail sketch of what little I know from spending some years within it. It may help one see why the big bio hasn't yet been done. Bonnie Goldstein DeVarco - DeVarco@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:03:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lawrence Couey Subject: Stepping out of a circle?? -Reply It's fairly simple: C = circumference r = radius # = 3.14159... (pi) C = 2#r from that r = C/(2#) So if an amount, x, is added to the cicumference, C, then the new radius, r', will be: r' = (C+x)/(2#) which becomes: r' = [C/(2#) + x/(2#)] by substituting, r=C/(2#), this leads to: r' = [r + x/(2#)] Since 2# is always a constant, any change in the circumference of x amount, will produce a constant change in r of x/(2#). The change is always directly proportional to x. Lawrence C. ==> What I think is what I think. ==> What my employer thinks is what he thinks. ==> Sometimes there is a union, ==> Sometimes an intersection, ==> and sometimes an empty set. -- Lawrence_Couey@Novell.COM ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:48:42 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Subject: Re: Stepping out of a circle?? -Reply Comments: To: Martin Tays At 10:14 AM 4/25/96, Martin Tays wrote: > >Did I do the math wrong? My back of the >envelop doodling came up with a head >room of some 3 meters and change... I did the math wrong. Hanging my head in shame. Jack Lazariuk e.mail lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com Above all, I am motivated by the most mysterious drive we ever experience-- that of love...I don't think there's any influence on my life that compares with love. --R. Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:13:10 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Andreas Haffner wrote: >Nick Pine wrote: >> David Davis wrote: >> >I have to agree with George. Logic tells me you have provided numerous >> >small wet paths for energy transfer via the bubble walls. Before the >> >bubbles transfer relied on convection in the air in the space. >> >> A lot of little convection paths in series will have more thermal resistance >> than one big one... >Misunderstanding here, I think: Perhaps so... >Before you had one large convection path Right... >With the bubbles you have many small convection paths and additionally many >*conduction* paths. That may not be so bad... Water has a US R-value of about 0.25 ft^2-hr/Btu per inch, as I recall, eg for downward heat conduction. So what would we have as the simple aggregate conductive thermal resistance owing to the water films, from one side of a wall to the other, if the 4" wall space were filled with a regular matrix of 1/4" cubical bubbles with a 0.0001" (approx 12 micron, on the order of an 80 F black body IR wavelength) wall thickness, ie if the wall cross section were 2500 parts air and 1 part water in each direction? A 2500 x 2500 foot wall would have the equivalent of a 1 ft^2 thermally conductive water shunt 4" thick with a US thermal resistance of 1, so the wall would have an effective thermal conductance of 1/(2500^2 ft^2) or an R-value of 6,250,000. Not bad :-) This is more easily investigated by experiment. We need a few more serious 12 year old scientists... Nick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:41:55 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Telecom Deregulation Comments: To: netwatch@pulver.com This is so funny, I hope no minds me posting this. This is copyrighted material, so please limit your forwarding to (ahme) "Friends and Family". <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >From USA TODAY, DATE: 04/19/96 By Kevin Maney Sometime in 1999: ``Hello. This is Bell Atlantic-Nynex-MCI-TCI-America Online customer service. May I help you?'' ``Yes, I'd like to report a problem with my telephone.'' ``Our records show you don't have local phone service through us.'' ``How'd you know who I am? 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I've already called those two other companies with long names.'' ``Oh, right. OK, see, it looks like you don't have anything at all with us. Now, we could make your life easier by giving you all the services so you'd know who to call. Except in your area, we only offer movies on demand over the Internet, so that could be a problem.'' ``No, really, I just want to get my phone fixed.'' ``My guess is you must have your local phone service through AT&T. That's the only other company left in the business.'' ``OK, I'll try AT&T.'' Click. Dial. Ring. ``Hello. AT&T. Bob Allen speaking.'' ``Bob Allen? The chairman of the board of AT&T? I'm sorry. I wanted customer service.'' ``No problem. Hold on a moment.'' Pause. Rustling sounds.``Hello. Customer service. Bob Allen speaking.'' ``Mr. Allen, I really just wanted customer service.'' ``This IS it. We spun off everything but my office. It goes totally against the megamerger trend. Our shareholders love it. I'm getting paid $55 billion this year!'' ``Well, sir, my phone line doesn't work right, and I think I need someone to come fix it.'' ``Be right there, as soon as I can find my tool belt.'' Copyright (c) 1996 Gannett/USA TODAY Electronic News Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" Have Rest Stops. Why? james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:39:09 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Brad Lindsay wrote: >Nick Pine wrote: >> Albrecht Kadlec wrote: >> >nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) writes: >> >I always care about radiation losses last: >> >conduction and convection losses come first. >>Nick, I just stumbled across your thoughts on heat movement through walls... Good... >"radiation is my last concern"...???? That was Albrecht's thought, not mine. It looks like the >> >'s above somehow got out of sync. >Maybe in your part of the country. Definitely. We are more concerned about heating than cooling here, and for that, R-values work pretty well up to some temperature like 200 F. >Here in Phoenix, we have been building test houses since 1986. What we >have found is radiation the primary source of heat movement. This was >proven in our last house using no insulation, only a reflective film >(radiant barrier) in the walls. The 2400 sq ft home consumed $56.00 in >electricity in the month of August! Sounds nice, but why so much? How about ventilating your adobe house at night or building a tower with a few 55 gallon drums full of water behind your frame house, with some south glazing on top? In the summer, allow the sun to heat up the top drums during the day and vent the whole tower at night with cooler night air, using the top as a solar chimney with stored heat from the day. Allow this cool night air to circulate into the house as well. Close the outer vents during the day. Putting a wet mesh over the lower vent would further lower the night temp on an average August day, swamp-cooler-style. And pumping some water up from a shallow pond in the ceiling above the cool drums to a shallow pond on the roof would allow additional radiative cooling on clear still nights when the roof pond could be up to 20 F cooler than the air temp, owing to night-sky radiation. You might use one window AC for dehumidification. And solar heat all the water drums in the winter. >A comparable home would use $300+ with standard insulation products which >focus on limiting conductive and convective heat movement. Sounds better and cheaper :-) Nick Nicholson L. Pine System design and consulting Pine Associates, Ltd. (610) 489-0545 821 Collegeville Road Fax: (610) 489-7057 Collegeville, PA 19426 Email: nick@ece.vill.edu Microprocessor hardware, memory, ASIC, and computer design. Telecommunication system design. Computer simulation and modeling. High performance, low cost, residential solar heating and cogeneration system design. BSEE, MSEE. Senior Member, IEEE. Registered US Patent Agent. Fluent in French. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:00:45 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Precast Concrete James Fischer wrote: > Darryl Parker said: > >>That is why a material with relatively great tensile strength, such as >>steel or iron, needs to be incorporated into the design wherever the >>structure might come into tension. So if the design can be kept in >>perfect compression, like bricks stacked one upon the other, then the >>need for steel reinforcement can be virtually eliminated. Yes. As I recall, monolithic hemispheres are like this, with a strictly downwards force at the foundation. Smaller sections, eg 3/8 domes, are strictly compressive above, but need some sort of tension ring foundation. > Another concern you should have is about fatigue. Unlike > most other types of structures, which are "stacked" like > something a child would build with blocks, domes are under tension. Some domes are, perhaps. But what of a masonry structure? >A "normal" structure tries to obey gravity and fall down at the first excuse. So do masonry arches and domes, but they can't do that without crushing, or buckling in more than one place. >A dome is constantly trying to FLY APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS as opposed >to fall down to the ground. I'm not sure what you mean here, but I don't think that applies to masonry domes. You might picture making a layer of unreinforced cement over a dirt pile, then washing away the dirt from the inside... >>Just setting there it ought to remain under compression, like an igloo. Right. > The above statement may not be true. Two semi-famous examples > are the domes of St. Peter's in Rome and Santa Maria del Fiore > in Florence. Both these domes (while certainly not geodesic > domes) were "saved" by wrapping chains around the outside > of the base of the domes. These chains were added to keep > the base from "failing in an outward direction", which tends > to show that there is more going on than just compression. Those tension rings made sure the domes were in compression. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 23:09:02 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: darryl parker Subject: Re: Precast Concrete James Fischer wrote: > I am not a mechanical/ > structural engineer, so my comments below are either my > personal opinion, or the opinion of some dead guy like > Newton, who never saw a rebar in his life. Your actual > mileage may vary. > First of all, I sincerely appreciate your comments and personal opinions concerning my concrete dome project. All such feedback is important because it helps me consider things I might not have considered otherwise. That is one of the reasons I am making long-winded replies: to stimulate thinking and ideas of others, and to draw from your experience and knowledge. > The panels would each span a limited surface area of the > dome surface? > > Assuming I am visualizing your design correctly with the > statement above, you WILL have some "shear forces" at > work on the panels. Since the panels will be covering > a "half sphere" (or some fraction of a rough sphere), > you will have panels oriented at various angles in > (x, y, z) space. They will be attached at the corners > and/or edges, so the "dead load" of the panel itself > may cause some curvature of the panels. You seem to be visualizing correctly. And depending on the size of the panels, sagging could happen, I suppose. I am trying to keep the size of the panels fairly small, for manhandling purposes, which means the spans would also be kept small (under 3 or 4 ft.). Depending on the size of the dome, the frequency would therefore be a little higher than most dome homes. Wire mesh reinforcement ought to be enough to counteract these "sheer forces", as you call them. > Another concern you should have is about fatigue. Unlike > most other types of structures, which are "stacked" like > something a child would build with blocks, domes are under > tension. A "normal" structure tries to obey gravity and > fall down at the first excuse. A dome is constantly trying > to FLY APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS as opposed to fall down to > the ground. This means that the framework of a dome never > quite "settles down", but is constantly adjusting itself > here and there in response to forces and loads. > > (If you have a hard time following the above, model of any > of the "great circles" of a dome with a 20 foot long length > of PVC pipe. Get 2 friends, and have them grab an end of the > pipe and walk towards each other until the pipe bends into > a nice dome-like curve. Cut the pipe, but stand back when > you do. What happens is that the pipe "springs" outward, > trying to become two shorter and straighter pipes. That's > right kids, domes never fall down until AFTER they are done > EXPLODING! Just kidding.) Again, I appreciate your comments. Still, I will admit when I am having a difficulty agreeing with any particular comment. Case in point is the statment, "A dome is constantly trying to FLY APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS as opposed to fall down to the ground." Yes I am having a hard time following this statment, just as I did when I read something similar in Kenner's Geodesic Math book. He wrote,"It resembles a contained explosion, like a balloon: compressive out-thrust held in a tensile web, with this difference, that the forces pulling outward are also coming from the web. The structural members are not falling in together, nor in any important way leaning on one another." (pg.43) The PVC pipe example you used in an attempt to help me comprehend this "fly apart in all directions" supposed phenomenon did not gel with me either. It seems to me you are mixing apples with oranges. Let me explain... A bent piece of PVC pipe does not represent the same physical factors as a bunch of individual members stacked to form an arch. The arched PVC pipe is naturally wanting to spring outwardly when cut because the molecules on the outer half of the pipe have been stretched like rubber band. Enough potential energy is thus stored in these stretched molecules to more than overcome the downward gravitational pull on the mass of the pipe. So naturally it wants to spring outward. Now lets say that PVC pipe was manufactured in the shape of an arch so that none of the the molecules were being stretched to maintain that shape. Now what would happen if you cut that pipe? Would it spring outwardly? No, Newton would say it would fall inwardly. This more accurately represents to me the nature of the dome than your example. Perhaps I am still missing what you are trying to explain and I am slow to comprehend. If so, then bear with me. > What all of the above means in terms of fatigue is that a > well-made dome will take everything thrown at it, and > try to equalize the forces over the entire network of > struts. This means that the framework of a dome is > re-adjusting itself all the time. This single factor alone > is why the early domes of the "flower children" had a habit > of leaking - the flexing of the struts caused the nails > holding the plywood panels to work loose. The same forces > that can loosen nails on plywood skins can cause fatigue > in pre-cast concrete panels. Good point. Domes do have the unique ability to try to equalize the forces over the entire network of struts. I do see that whenever one steps on a ball the whole system responds. In fact, portions, mainly around the equator (perpendicular to the load force), have a tendancy to want to squash outwardly. In this case, some struts are under tension (near the equator) while others are under compression (where the load is being exerted). > All domes struts are under tension. If the panels are attached > to the struts, then they will be subjected to forces from the > struts. I have a problem with this statement, as explained in my last comment. >>Just setting there it ought to remain under compression, like an igloo. > > The above statement may not be true. Two semi-famous examples > are the domes of St. Peter's in Rome and Santa Maria del Fiore > in Florence. Both these domes (while certainly not geodesic > domes) were "saved" by wrapping chains around the outside > of the base of the domes. These chains were added to keep > the base from "failing in an outward direction", which tends > to show that there is more going on than just compression. I agree, the base of a dome is indeed under tension. But this does not prove that all system struts are therefore under tension. Engineers of concrete dome-like tanks I have read about in books do concentrate the bulk of their reinforcement in the "base ring" as they call it. They seem to view this ring as receiving the bulk of the tensile forces. I suppose if the base ring splits, the dome might theoretically split up the side. > Once again, these are just some things I have learned, and > things that you may want to consider. > Thanks again for your comments, James. Any further imput or thoughts are welcomed. Darryl Parker ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:07:07 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Listserv Karl Erickson wrote: >joe: >>Apparently it is possible to send email to the list without actually being a >>subscriber (I haven't actually tested this out--is anyone willing to >>experiment and report back?) > >just like any newsgroup, you can post to bit.listserv.geodesic, and those >posts will also be distributed to all mailing-list subscribers. in other >words, bit.listserv.geodesic and list geodesic are just the same, except for >the interface. > >in fact, i believe a few regulars here (e.g. kirby?) aren't subscribed at >all, but only post via the newsgroup. Yes, I am not subscribed to GEODESIC but visit it via my newsreader. The newsreader format is useful (I use Agent .99) because when people reply to one another, the posts file under the the message that started the thread, giving me a kind of outline. I can also easily scroll back and forward, seeing only GEODESIC postings, not having to sift through my email in-box (with close to 3000 saved emails at last count) for the latest submissions. I also post to GEODESIC via email sometimes (unlike now -- this is via my newsreader). I simply address my email to geodesic@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu and it shows up on my newsreader, sometimes a couple days later (subscribers get the new stuff first, as Karl points out). I run an email list about Fuller's geometry called SYNERGETICS-L. Unlike GEODESIC, SYNERGETICS-L is set to only accept submissions from its subscribers. Also, unlike GEODESIC, it is not mirrored as a newsgroup. It is being automatically archived however, and also can be received in digest form. Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:17:59 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TIMBERLINE UPDATE TIMBERLINE DOMES UPDATE Compiled by Joe S. Moore, 4-25-96 According to Timberline's newsletter that came in the mail today, they have the following items of interest: A new web page! http://www.domehome.com New email addresses: info@domehome.com Info sales@domehome.com Sales rsinger@domehome.com Robert Singer, President "Explore the Great Indoors" videotape; color, 20 min; $15. _Financing Your Dome_ by Christina Pechstein, paperback, 69 pages, $5. Dome design software, $39; 386+, Windows 3.1+. Complete set of floorplans, $125. Timberline Geodesics 2015 Blake Street Berkeley, CA 94704 USA 1-800-DOME HOME Fax: 510-849-3265 1-800-366-3466 Tel: 510-849-4481 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 23:30:54 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Subject: Re: Precast Concrete At 11:09 PM 4/25/96, darryl parker wrote: >Again, I appreciate your comments. Still, I will admit when I am having a >difficulty agreeing with any particular comment. Case in point is the >statment, "A dome is constantly trying to FLY APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS as >opposed to fall down to the ground." When Fuller arrived at his concept of the geodesic dome it was the result of exploring the properties of tension. His domes were always trying to FLY APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS . This was the result of using tension to it's best advantage. You can always build domes that do not use tension to it's best advantage and they won't FLY APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS. Fuller explained that with most materials that he was interested in we get more with less by using their tensile strength rather than their compressional strength. I don't know if that is true for concrete. He did own a company with his father-in-law that manufactured reinforced concrete one time (I'm not sure if that is accurate.) >Yes I am having a hard time following this statment, just as I did when I >read something similar in Kenner's Geodesic Math book. He wrote,"It >resembles a contained explosion, like a balloon: compressive out-thrust held >in a tensile web, with this difference, that the forces pulling outward are >also coming from the web. The structural members are not falling in >together, nor in any important way leaning on one another." (pg.43) If you were to build one of the models, that I think were in that book, it would be easy to follow what he means by contained explosion. Jack Lazariuk e.mail lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com The universe must not be narrowed down to the limit of our understanding, but our understanding must be stretched and enlarged to take in the image of the universe as it is discovered. -Francis Bacon ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:42:09 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Bucky on PBS In-Reply-To: <9604240114.AA05055@umailsrv1.umd.edu> > perfect rejoinder - from, I presume, Bucky's 'Adjuvant'. > > We are all "works in progress." > > -Agnes > > > >Chris-- > > Fuller's statement "every time I draw a circle I want to step out of it" > >seems to me not unlike what Tibetan Buddhists call the "Process of Going > >Beyond." According to this idea, all theories, structures, and limit > >conditions are merely constructs--that is, temporary constructs. The > >process of going beyond is simply keeping this in mind as one extends one's > >limits to more inclusive ideas or models or constructs. > > > >--Kiyoshi > how about this, there is a game where you draw a circle, and you stay in the circle till you hit a small piece of wood which have thinner sides so it is springy to see if you can get it as far as possible first you hit it in the air with another sort of stick with hand position and when the small piece get in the air you het using newton law, well then naurtlay you have to leave the circle. here is another idea, if you consider Universe as a circle in the mind, then the nest circle is regenerative Universe. Mohamed ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:06:18 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: darryl parker Subject: Re: Precast Concrete Jack Lazariuk wrote: >At 11:09 PM 4/25/96, darryl parker wrote: > >>Again, I appreciate your comments. Still, I will admit when I am having a >>difficulty agreeing with any particular comment. Case in point is the >>statment, "A dome is constantly trying to FLY APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS as >>opposed to fall down to the ground." > >When Fuller arrived at his concept of the geodesic dome it was the result >of exploring the properties of tension. His domes were always trying to FLY >APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS . This was the result of using tension to it's best >advantage. You can always build domes that do not use tension to it's best >advantage and they won't FLY APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS. Fuller explained that >with most materials that he was interested in we get more with less by >using their tensile strength rather than their compressional strength. I >don't know if that is true for concrete. He did own a company with his >father-in-law that manufactured reinforced concrete one time (I'm not sure >if that is accurate.) > >>Yes I am having a hard time following this statment, just as I did when I >>read something similar in Kenner's Geodesic Math book. He wrote,"It >>resembles a contained explosion, like a balloon: compressive out-thrust held >>in a tensile web, with this difference, that the forces pulling outward are >>also coming from the web. The structural members are not falling in >>together, nor in any important way leaning on one another." (pg.43) > >If you were to build one of the models, that I think were in that book, it >would be easy to follow what he means by contained explosion. > >Jack Lazariuk >e.mail lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com > I have built many such models based on the formulas in Kenner's book. And yes, I have noticed that a little tension is involved in stapling the pieces together. Perhaps this tension does involve, to some degree, James Fischer's bent PVC example, in that the flat materials are being stretched a bit to form a curve. However, my observation concerning this tension is that it is only temporary, until the dome "settles", for lack of a techincal term. I can take a brand new model, pull out a few staples, and notice gaps wanting to form. If this is the contained "explosion" you guys are talking about, then I admit it does exist...at first. But if I take a model which has been setting around for a few months and pop out a few staples, nothing moves. No gaps form. Why the difference? Apparently, the molecules which were stretched during fabrication have rearranged themselves over a process of time to a state of equillibrium. It would be like securing a rubber band in a stretched position for a number of months. Eventually one could remove its restraints and it won't want to return to its original state. Somehow the potential energy has been used up in rearranging the stretched molecules to a permanent new state. I would not, however, rely on these temporary tensile forces to add strength to a permanent geodesic dwelling. It might be good to understand that this tension does exist for the first number of months or (or even years) so that one can remember to use screws instead of nails to secure the plywood. My apologies, therefore, to Mr. Fischer and Mr. Kenner (and Buckey, whose writings I'm sorry to say I have hardly read) for being slow to grasp the phenomenon they were trying to explain. Jack's comment above has helped me to see the tiny (very tiny) "explosion" you all have been talking about. These subtle tensional forces might manifest in wooden domes more than in concrete, which tends to be less stretchable. And I don't doubt that one can build so as to create a network of tension throughout a dome. Maybe even creating alot of tension. But I believe this tension is, at best, only temporary. Plus I can't see how it could, or even would want to be, incorporated into a concrete dome. Thanks for your comments Mr. Lazariuk. Darryl Parker ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:25:02 GMT+0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Venter, Dawie" Organization: Denel Informatics, Cape Reg Office Subject: Re: Precast Concrete Hi to Darryl Parker, I have been following the thread about the pre-cast concrete dome panels, and am curious if you have considered ferro cement construction at any stage? I have ordered plans from KeyDome Engineering for the construction of a 3f Icosa 40ft dome. The basic ferrocement construction method has been proven in numerous construction projects and even large yachts have been built utilising this method. Numerous advantages are obvious: 1) The concrete shell of the dome is continious and is waterproof through the inclusion of waterproofing agents in the mix. 2) Supplementary waterproofing may be added in the final finishing of the structure. 3) Fire, rot and rodant resistant 4) and finally, the concrete shell is applied over a thick styrofoam triangular panels forming a geodesic dome. This means INSULATION in abundance! The styrofoam may be finished on the inside with stucco, paneling or more concrete. 5) The design makes use of standard hand tools, the most "sophisticated" being a skill saw to cut the foam triangles and it is also not necessary to cut edge dihedral angles. The wedge shaped gaps (dihedrals) between the dome triangles are filled using expanding poly-urathane foam in a can. 6) The concrete shell can be hand stacked (budget approach) or spray applied. The plans show a single layer of fairly light mesh incorporated in the entire (50mm thick) shell of the dome. All this talk about >a dome constantly trying to FLY APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS < weell..., the plans definately show an extra ring of reinforcing bars being inserted around the circumferenceof the dome, just above the door openings. I have built a 8 meter dia dome using a similar method with no problems experienced. Similarly, over here, ferrocement "domes" are being built for low cost housing, holiday homes etc. using an inflatable balloon former on the inside. The balloon is deflated and extracted once the concrete has set. Clusters of these domes are grouped to form the various living areas of the home, eg bedroom wing or garage etc. (I have bitmap pictures if you are interested). Regards Dawie Venter (Cape Town, South Africa) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:20:40 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Precast Concrete I said, tounge firmly planted in cheek: > That's right kids, domes never fall down until AFTER they > are done EXPLODING! (Just kidding.) ...and Darryl Parker said: Again, I appreciate your comments. Still, I will admit when I am having a difficulty agreeing with any particular comment. Case in point is the statment, "A dome is constantly trying to FLY APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS as opposed to fall down to the ground." Yes I am having a hard time following this statment, just as I did when I read something similar in Kenner's Geodesic Math book. He wrote,"It resembles a contained explosion, like a balloon: compressive out-thrust held in a tensile web, with this difference, that the forces pulling outward are also coming from the web. The structural members are not falling in together, nor in any important way leaning on one another." (pg.43) This is correct for domes with struts and joints. Monolithic domes have a whole different response. >The PVC pipe example you used in an attempt to help me comprehend >this "fly apart in all directions" supposed phenomenon did not gel >with me either. Yeah, a lousy example. I withdraw it, since it introduces more confusion than clarity. So, model a dome using whatever. Cut a strut with a pair of wire cutters or sissors. Guess which way the ends of the broken strut go. Both tend to "spring" outward from the surface. >I agree, the base of a dome is indeed under tension. But this does not >prove that all system struts are therefore under tension. Engineers of >concrete dome-like tanks I have read about in books do concentrate the bulk >of their reinforcement in the "base ring" as they call it. They seem to >view this ring as receiving the bulk of the tensile forces. I suppose if >the base ring splits, the dome might theoretically split up the side. These are monolithic, or "thin shell" domes, so one has a surface to take the tension. The two models (monolithic versus frame) are very different from an engineering standpoint. I wish I could point you to a decent text on the subject, but the best non-technical treatment I know of is "Why Buildings Fall Down" by Levy and Salvadori. Anything more technical, and you are doomed to an education that can only result in the ownership of a pocket protector!! Beware!!!! If you agree: 1) that the base of the dome is under tension 2) (as you said) "Domes do have the unique ability to try to equalize the forces over the entire network of struts." ...then why don't you agree that the entire network of struts is under tension? I would think that you have worked out everything on this but the conclusion itself. Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" Have Rest Stops. Why? james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:47:25 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Returned mail: User unknown In-Reply-To: <199604251901.VAA07613@dds.dds.nl> ------------------------------------------------------------- DE DIGITALE STAD Op Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Mail Delivery Subsystem schreef: > The original message was received at Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:01:20 +0200 > from aagdii@localhost > > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- > list for the disscussion of buckminister Fuller's works > ; (unrecoverable error) > to: (unrecoverable error) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 550 list for the disscussion of buckminister Fuller's works > ;... User unknown > 550 to: ... User unknown > > ----- Original message follows ----- > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 08:58:32 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Precast Concrete In-Reply-To: <645F767599@i1.iplan.co.za>; from "Venter, Dawie" at Apr 26, 96 11:25 am Dawie, Could you post a few of your best ferrocement pics? Thanks. Joe. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:33:02 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Subject: Re: Precast Concrete At 10:06 AM 4/26/96, darryl parker wrote: >However, my observation concerning this tension is that it is only >temporary, until the dome "settles", for lack of a techincal term. I can >take a brand new model, pull out a few staples, and notice gaps wanting to >form. If this is the contained "explosion" you guys are talking about, then >I admit it does exist...at first. But if I take a model which has been >setting around for a few months and pop out a few staples, nothing moves. >No gaps form. Why the difference? I enjoy this thread, because I can talk about my experience, most of the other people on this list know this stuff alot better than I and can explain the math and scientific principles with a more comprehensive understanding. I hope they clarify any foolishness I might state and forgive my presumtion is answering your questions. The models that I built involved the use of wood dowels and high tensile strength steel wire. After years of sitting, if I were to cut one of the wires I would still witness the contained explosion. As a matter of fact one such model my son recently broke after it had been sitting for sixteen years and yes- it opened out. As you observed the amount of 'opening out' was less than when the model was new. The tension was less and the reason for that must be for the reasons that you state. The models I have can support the weight of a person sitting on them and in that situation if I were to cut one of the wires, , there would be an explosion before the fall, as James has stated. The amount of moving out of a twenty year old model under pressure would not be significantly different from a new one. *some stuff cut* >I would not, however, rely on these temporary tensile forces to add strength >to a permanent geodesic dwelling. It might be good to understand that this >tension does exist for the first number of months or (or even years) so that >one can remember to use screws instead of nails to secure the plywood. Bucky was always trying to do more with less and so this leads me to think that he aimed for structures that would always be making maximun use of tensile strength. On the other hand, for the reasons that you state of things becoming permanently stretched out, I also think that he would aim for an ever increasing tension-conpression equilibrium (forgive my spelling). This would lead to a structure that would only 'explode out' when under pressure. This leads me to thinking about choice of materials. Following the path of doing more with less and aiming for a tension-compression equilibrium I would think that one would strive for a structure that is using the principals of tension as much as one can. This would point to using materials that have a high tensile strength and a 'lightness' so as to require lease compressional strength. So the question becomes - Is concrete a wise choice for building domes ? The weight of concrete seems to me to become the primary issue. You will need to use compressional strength to carry the weight of the dome and additional pressures. To get more strength you use more concrete thus more weight. Maybe others can answer that question. This reminded me of the first reference I ever remember hearing about Buckminster Fuller. It was made by Salvador Dali who was praising Bucky as a great genius whose buildings were as light as a feather and he compared Bucky to LeCorbusier whose heavy concrete buildings were a symbol of death. (As an aside- I spoke once with someone who was involved with building his DEW-Line domes and he made the comment that these domes became positively frightening when they were getting near the point of putting the final pieces in place. His description was similar to putting an explosion back in it's box.) Jack Lazariuk e.mail lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com Although it has never been es-tablished in a double-blind, crossover study, scientists have found food to be essential to life. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 05:00:37 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Precast Concrete darryl parker wrote: >Now lets say that PVC pipe was manufactured in the shape of an arch so that >none of the the molecules were being stretched to maintain that shape. Now >what would happen if you cut that pipe? Would it spring outwardly? No... The cut pipe might not move at all, unless pushed sideways. Recall Gaudi's Sagrada Familia church made with large rocks in non-vertical columns, with no mortar, because the angles and weights were correct. He made upside-down catenary-shaped models with weights and string to find the correct angles. An arch needs to develop at least 4 hinge points before it can collapse. Many modern arches are deliberately built with 3. See the delightful $14.95 Da Capo paperback book, _Structures: Why Things Don't Fall Down_, by J E Gordon ("When we play tennis or walk down stairs, we are actually solving whole pages of differential equations, quickly, easily, and without thinking about it, using the analogue computer which we keep in our minds. What we find difficult about mathematics is the formal, symbolic presentation of the subject by pedagogues with a taste for dogma, sadism and incomprehensible squiggles.") >I agree, the base of a dome is indeed under tension... Engineers... do >concentrate the bulk of their reinforcement in the "base ring"... They >seem to view this ring as receiving the bulk of the tensile forces. If the dome is a hemisphere, there is NO tension or compression in the circle on the ground, just downward force. A shallower dome pushes outward at its base, so it needs some sort of ring to contain the dome at the base, like a rotated arch. This could be a tension ring, or it could be a collection of buttresslike foundations, like the ends of an arched bridge. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:44:54 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marc Visconte Organization: Dis-Roganized, All Hail Eris! Subject: Re: Precast Concrete Jack Lazariuk wrote: > (As an aside- I spoke once with someone who was involved > with building his DEW-Line domes and he made the comment > that these domes became positively frightening when they > were getting near the point of putting the final pieces > in place. His description was similar to putting an > explosion back in it's box.) Pretty interesting statement. Is there any other info, elaboration, other statements? While I've long been enamored with domes, I've never gotten around to building one (lack of confidence? How hard can it be?) so I can't really comprehend his/ her statement, but the image it creats is very intreguing. > Although it has never been established in a double-blind, > crossover study, scientists have found food to be essential to > life. Arf! Preliminary findings, no doubt. They said the same thing about breathing, and you know how wrong they were there. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:50:20 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marc Visconte Organization: Dis-Roganized, All Hail Eris! Subject: Re: Precast Concrete Hello, Dawie! Venter, Dawie wrote: > I have been following the thread about the pre-cast concrete dome > panels, and am curious if you have considered ferro cement > construction at any stage? > > I have ordered plans from KeyDome Engineering for the construction of > a 3f Icosa 40ft dome. The basic ferrocement construction method has > been proven in numerous construction projects and even large yachts > ... Dawie Venter (Cape Town, South Africa) In the most recent edition of Back Home magazine (or is it Back Home Woods? I thought I had it here beside me, but it must be at home) there is an article on cement dome homes. Interesting concept, but glancing through the pictures, they looked awefully dark. Probably before all of the windows/ skylights/ doors had been cut. You may want to see if the Cape Town Library can source that article and get a copy mailed or faxed to you. If you can't let me know and I'll see if I can synopsize it for you. Marc. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:03:22 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marc Visconte Organization: Dis-Roganized, All Hail Eris! Subject: Dome alone... the movie I realize now, that I have not been a faithful Buckyphile. I should have built at least a dozen domes by now, and I'm way behind. I haven't done dome one. And remember, "Dome one is Job One!" or something like that. Is there an IBM program out there that will let me calculate cord lengths for various dome sizes/ frequencies, or, better, given a "longest length", help me calculate the same, backwards? Or give the program a minimum internal height (I'm not that tall) and get cord lengths out? Each year about this time I start thinking about all the space in the back yard and about putting a staked/tethered but movable dome (Hey, I gotta cut grass) up. The Original Idea, which usually hits about February, is for a plastic coated green-house to hatch plants in to get an early start, then use the frame, with a different skin, for storage, solar projects, etc. I'm not up to a big construction job, so I figure to pick up the cheapest sound lumbar I can and build on that. That way, if the whole world comes down around my head, I'll have spend as little as possible and I can retire to my easy-chair and become an arm-chair architect. (grin). Another thought I had was to make as full a dome as I can, on a smaller scale, and cover it with fine chicken wire or course wire cloth and make a "compost ball". One of the recommendations for compost is to "turn it", so as ball, not only can I turn it, but after it's "cooked", I can roll it to where I need it and open the hatch - viola, compost, no back-breaking labor, no wheel-barrows, no heavy shoveling, and I've made my own bucky-ball (sort of). Comments? Ideas? Gentle criticism? Donations? -m. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:02:33 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Christie Organization: Netscape Communications, Inc. Subject: Ephemeral flying domes (was Re: Build it and He will come......) [This was originally something I posted to the Burning Man festival list server, burnman-list@well.com. Burning Man is an annual festival held labor day weekend in the Black Rock desert, out past Reno. See http://www.well.com/user/burnman/index.html for more info.] Geodesic domes are hard to construct out of rigid materials -- they require precise calculation of the dimensions of each piece, which are best cut with precision tools. The unusual angles involved make mating and sealing the edges tricky. That said, they are wonderful structures and there are some varieties of them that can be erected cheaply with no hassle at all. My favorites are the most ephemeral ones -- like giant geodesic spheres inflated with hot air, that rise into the air and sail off across the playa like blimps. I've made these out of garbage bags and masking tape (not at burning man -- i haven't been yet -- but elsewhere). The only trick is calculating the shape of the triangular panels exactly, which you do from a book on dome construction. For a big dome you may need four or six different shape triangles; for a little ten-foot-diameter one, just two different shapes, but they must be exactly the right dimensions. They are almost, but not quite, equilateral triangles. You make a cardboard or plywood jig in the exact shape of the panel, tape a dozen garbage bags down over it, cut around the edges with an exacto knife, and viola! Two dozen panels, perfectly sized, Repeat until you have enough (a ten foot dome takes 80 panels). Then you enlist people to tape them together using masking tape, edge to edge, with no overlap of the plastic -- the edges should meet exactly under the tape. It's more than strong enough. It helps to have a big, flat place to do this work -- that isn't too muddy, though a little dust wouldn't hurt. It also helps if you have a different color of garbage bag for each of the several shapes of triangles needed, because the dome has to be put together out of alternating shapes. This is very pretty. A ten foot dome sphere needs just two colors -- we used green and brown bags -- and the result is like a big soccer ball. MUCH bigger spheres can be made with garbage bags but it would be best to have more colors, because with size the number of different shaped trianges increases (tho the size of each triangle remains small enough to be made from a single garbage bag). Color-coding makes it much easier to avoid taping them together in the wrong sequence, which leads to a bag that isn't round and can't be closed! Done right, you get a perfect sphere out of all these triangles -- an illuminating experience all by itself. To inflate and fly them, you leave ONE triangle open, on the bottom. You make a balsa wood frame (just three light sticks tied in a triangle) for the opening. And you suspend from this with light wire a basin made out of a piece of aluminium foil -- enough to hold a pint or so of liquid (for a ten foot dome, or proportionally more for domes of larger volume). It has to be LIGHT WEIGHT -- no gas stoves or propane tanks. You fill it with ethanol (or is it methanol? Anyway "Paco" varnish remover from your hardware store is almost the pure stuff) and toss in some toilet tissue to keep it from sloshing too much. The you light it. Actually, you inflate the sphere first, using a vaccuum cleaner running backwards or other air pump; a leaf blower would work; then you put hot air inside it from some handy ground-based source, like maybe you could take heat off your car engine with a tube to your leaf blower, and finally when it's upright and filled out (hopefully it isn't too windy at the time) you pour in the Paco, light it, and let go! The last one I flew left Oberlin, Ohio (south of Cleveland) at about 10 AM, and we chased it cross-country in cars for about an hour until it sailed out over Lake Erie, several thousand feet up, still climbing. We watched it through binoculars until it disappeared from sight. I like to think it made it to Canada, and came down in someone's back yard, to delight and amaze them. That particular balloon had been flown and recovered before. That was a long time ago -- since moving to California, I haven't dared send flaming things aloft -- too much fire danger, obviously. But maybe on the playa.... You can pretty much rest assured that if it gets off the ground initially, it will climb high and not come down until it's burned out of fuel -- but launching one over dry country is still insane unless there is NOTHING down there that can burn. Oh -- one more thing -- if you use clear garbage bags, it's possible you won't need any fuel at all. Fuller once hypothesized that if you built a big enough geodesic sphere with mostly clear panels, it would impound enough solar heat to lift itself -- and a small city with all its inhabitants, inside -- the same way a greenhouse or a parked car heats up. (He wanted to do one a mile in diameter -- ahead of his time, as always.) But it would come down at night, unless you could prevent heat loss by insulating the panels somehow after dark. The BIGGER the sphere, the more likely this would be to work. Maybe on the playa where there is plenty of sun.... -- David Christie Netscape Communications Corporation dc@netscape.com 501 East Middlefield Road 415-937-4407 Mountain View, CA 94043 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:46:11 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Precast Concrete In-Reply-To: <318128FC.2553@freenet.vcu.edu>; from "Marc Visconte" at Apr 26, 96 3:50 pm Marc Visconte writes: > In the most recent edition of Back Home magazine (or is it Back Home > Woods? I thought I had it here beside me, but it must be at home) there > is an article on cement dome homes. Interesting concept, but glancing Do you think you could supply us with the following: Title of article Author Name of magazine Date of publication Pages item appears on Brief summary How to get copies -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 21:27:22 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Another swamp thang Ah'm just back from Texas. "Why do aggies think all wise men are firemen? Because they say they have come from afar." :-) Texas is two-dimensional, with more wind in the north and sun in the west. The SE corner is more humid, with warm nights in August. The NW corner is more desertlike, with cool summer nights. Texans are starting to realize that they now use more energy per capita than anyone else on earth, as net energy importers, consuming more energy than they export. These days, Texans can make $3,000 per acre per year growing cabbages and onions, vs $2,000 per acre wind farming or $1,600 per acre pumping oil. One man says "Ah have mah very own backyard gas well, 30,000 cubic feet per day at 180 pounds per square inch. It shore is nice to be warm in the winter. Ah just use it for heat. All ah do is add stinkum. Gotta do that or you'll blow yourself up. Not worth hookin' up to a pipeline, since they're run by thieves." In Abilene, electricity comes from natural gas. One frugal Abilene house uses $100/month in winter for gas heat and $100/month in summer for air-conditioning. It has 6 window air conditioners. Can the owners use less fossil fuel? Perhaps describing a particular system to help this house will help others see how this might be done more generally, as well as in other particular ways for different houses in different situations. This house needs 200 Btu/hr/degree F of heating or cooling. With an indoor max temp of 80 F on a 24 hour average 84 F July day with an average daily high of 95 F it might need 12 hr(95 F - 80 F) 200 = 36K Btu of cooling. The average minimum nightime temperature in Abilene in July is 74 F, with a relative humidity of 71%, ie a wet bulb temp of about 67 F. Suppose we store 5 days of cooling load at this temp, allowing a thermal mass C to rise from 67 to 77 F: 36K x 5 = 180K Btu = 10 x C, requires C = 18K lb of water, so we might use 36 500 lb 55 gallon drums full of water for cooling. Let's use 42 cool drums, and put another 28 on top, behind some south glazing, to make a solar chimney to move some night air up around the cool drums. Used plastic drums cost about $2 each in Abilene. Straw bales for walls should be about the same price, and chickenwire/fiberglass ferrocement costs about 20 cents/square foot. December days in Abilene have an average 24 hour outdoor temp of 46 F and an average daytime temp of 57 F, with 1400 Btu/ft^2 of south wall sun. On such a day this house needs about 24 hrs(68F-46F)200=100K Btu to keep warm. Water heating might require another 50K Btu/day. How much low-thermal-mass sunspace glazing is needed to keep this house at 68 F on an average December day? Let's assume that 100% of the of sun that falls on the sunspace glazing passes into the sunspace, which has a temperature of 87 F during an average 6 hour day, when the outdoor temp is 57 F. A shallow low-thermal-mass sunspace would lose about 6 hr (87-57) = 180 Btu/ft^2 when the sun is shining, and lose no heat at night, for a net gain of about 1200 Btu/ft^2/day, so keeping the house warm would require a minimum of about 100K/1.2K = 83 ft^2 of "solar siding," or an 8' tall x 12' wide x 4' deep sunspace, or an 8' tall x 16' long x 8' deep sunspace. The sunspace glazing could be smaller if the ground in front had a reflecting pond or a white surface. To avoid heat gain in the summer we might use a 4' overhang, some operable vent doors, and some greenhouse shadecloth hanging inside in the winter and outside over the glazing in summer. How warm would our 70 drums full of water have to be to store enough heat for 5 days without sun? Storing 5 x 150K Btu with a heat capacity C = 70 x 500 = 35,000 Btu/degree F and a minimum usable drumwater temp of about 80 F, means the fully-charged drumwater temp for this heat battery should be at least T = 80 F + 750K Btu/35K Btu/F = 101 F. night pool Suppose our swamp thing looks like this: .......... --- (from the east) g D hot. vent door . g Drums. <--south . . g....... . . cool . 16' . . . vent . Drums. . sun . house . D D . pond? . space . vent . D D . vent door ...................................................................... 8' (from the top) ........ . D D . The upper solar closet part of this structure . D D . might have 8' x 16' of south glazing, with 2 . D D . layers of drums stacked vertically. The lower . D D . 16' part might have 3 layers of vertically-stacked . D D . drums with 14 drums in each layer. There might . D D . be a shallow EPDM rubber pond on the bottom, . D D . another pond between the upper an lower parts, ........ another just under the roof, and another on top of the roof, with straw bales underneath. The floor of this drum structure might be the lower EPDM rubber pond, a few inches deep. We would need to pay attention to fire ants and termites in Abilene, as well as rodents, where the straw bales touch the ground. It seems to me that a rubble foundation wall with strawbales laid on top, surrounded by a half- inch of ferrocement would take care of all that. Here's a quote from page 468 of Aden B. and Marjorie P. Meinel's 1977 book, _Applied Solar Energy_: In our home solar heating system we used water as the thermal storage medium for an air-transfer unit, the water being contained in 1000 one-gallon polyethylene bottles stacked so that air could flow between them. They worked satisfactorily until some desert pack rats invaded the storage bin, making nests of the insulation and chewing holes in the water bottles. What will the drum temperature be after a string of average December days? With an average roof reflectivity of 60% (some aluminum paint) we might have a solar input of about 1400 x 1.6 x 128 ft^2 = 287K Btu/day. If we stored this heat all over inside the structure, we would lose heat through the 128 ft^2 of R1 south glazing during the day, and the 128 ft^2 of R30 wall behind the glazing and the other 768 ft^2 of R30 straw bale walls at night. If the energy that flows into the drum structure, Ein, equals the energy that flows out of the structure on an average day, then we have Ein = 287K, and Eout = 6 hr (T-46) 128 ft^2/R1 south glazing, day +18 hr (T-46) 128 ft^2/R30 " " night +24 hr (T-46) 768 ft^2/R30 remainder of structure, 24 hours = (T-46)(768+76.8+614.4) = 1460(T-46) = 287K = Ein, so T = 46 + 287K/1460 = 242.7 F. Of course the water won't really get that hot, because it will boil at 212 F, and radiation loss will limit the temperature sooner than that. Suffice it to say the water temp in December should be greater than 101 F, even though the structure is only half-glazed on the south side. Moving the structure away from the house so it is no longer shaded below and glazing the whole south side would make it collect more solar heat. The purpose of the EPDM rubber pond on the ground is to help transfer heat downwards from the glazed area above. We need to transfer about 80 K Btu/day from the upper drums to the lower ones, and we might do this by pumping some water up from the ground level pond to the pond under the ceiling at the top of the structure. How much water? 80K Btu/24 hours = 3.4K Btu/hour. If the upper pond water were 10 F warmer than the lower pond water, we would need to move 340 pounds of water per hour or 5.6 pounds of water per minute or 0.7 gallons per minute from the lower pond to the upper one, ie 16', which we could do with a perfect 0.003 horsepower immersion pump in the lower pond, requiring 2 watts of electrical power if it were 100% efficient. The ceiling pond might also be used to extract winter heat for the house, especially if the 55 gallon drums below had a thermal conductor like sand between their tops and bottoms. If the ceiling pond water were 10 F cooler than the drumwater, the maximum heat transfer rate via the ceiling pond might be something like 10 F (70 drums x 25 ft^2/drum) x 1.5 Btu/hr-ft^2-F = 26K Btu/hour, corresponding to an outdoor temp of 68 - 26K/200 = -63 F for this house. A fan below the ceiling pond would increase the heat transfer rate. The house might use a fan coil unit or auto radiator to transfer the heat from the ceiling pond water to the house air. Domestic hot water could be supplied via a simple concentric pipe heat exchanger located beneath the existing water heater in the house, upstream of the fan coil unit in the same circulation loop. The heat transfer rate from the house to the lower pond in the summer would also depend on the lower pond-drumwater temperature difference. If the house were 80 F, and the floor pond water were 77 F, and the outdoor temperature 95 F, the house would need 3K Btu/hour of cooling, which might come from a few $139 all-copper 2' x 2' SHW 2347 duct heat exchangers made by Magicaire, which transfer 45K Btu/hour between 125 F water and 68 F air at 1400 cfm, with a 0.1" H20 pressure drop, attached to the suction side of a few $11 window fans. How many of these fan coil units would we need to cool the house, at 95 F? At a temperature difference of 3 F, each one should transfer 45K x 3/(125-68) = 2368 Btu/hour, so one or two should be enough, especially if the house still has one window air conditioner for dehumidification. There are still a few details to work out here. Direct heat transfer from the drums to the house air via vents would be more efficient, but that might involve Legionnaire's disease or swampy smells. In the summer, we need to remove 36K Btu/day from the lower drums on an average night, by letting some 67 F moist air flow over them, drawn in by a fan, or a vacuum created by the solar chimney above (perhaps with help from a windscoop using the average 10.3 mph wind in Abilene in July.) A solar chimney with height H feet between unobstructed top and bottom vent openings each having area Av square feet, with a temperature difference of DT degrees from top to bottom will have an approximate airflow Q in cfm of Q = 16.6 Av square root (H DT). For instance, if the vents have an area of 8 ft^2 and the height is 8' and the temperature at the top of the chimney is 100 F and the temperature at the bottom is 80 F, the chimney will have an airflow of about Q = 16.6 (8 ft^2) square root (8' (100 F - 80 F)) = 1680 cfm. Suppose we make our vent doors 8 square feet, eg 8' long x 1' wide. The warm part of our chimney is 8' tall. What does the temperature difference DT between the outside air and the solar closet have to be to remove 36K Btu from the drums overnight, assuming the drums below are a perfect heat exchanger? An airstream of Q cfm with a temperature difference DT moves about DT Q Btu/hour of heat, so overnight we need DT Q cfm x 60 m/hr = 36K Btu, ie DT (16.6) (8) square root (8 DT) (60) = 36K Btu, or DT^(3/2) 1358 = 36K, or DT = (36K/1358)^(2/3) = 8.9 F. This shouldn't be too hard to manage, since with the roof reflector the summer solar input should be about the same as the winter input, which made for almost a 200 F temperature rise above ambient... The roof pond might be used for further summer cooling, by pumping some water up from the pond above the cool drums through the roof pond on a clear night with no wind. Baruch Gavoni's _Passive and Low-Energy Cooling of Buildings_ book says that under these circumstances, rooftop temperatures can be up to 10 C below outdoor air temperatures, owing to night sky radiation, even with no evaporation of water. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 09:52:27 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Danu Smith Subject: Re: Ephemeral flying domes (was Re: Build it and He will come......) At 11:02 AM 4/26/96, David Christie wrote: >[This was originally something I posted to the Burning Man festival list >server, burnman-list@well.com. Burning Man is an annual festival held >labor day weekend in the Black Rock desert, out past Reno. See >http://www.well.com/user/burnman/index.html for more info.] > >Geodesic domes are hard to construct out of rigid materials -- they >require precise calculation of the dimensions of each piece, which are >best cut with precision tools. The unusual angles involved make mating >and sealing the edges tricky. > >That said, they are wonderful structures and there are some varieties of >them that can be erected cheaply with no hassle at all. My favorites >are the most ephemeral ones -- like giant geodesic spheres inflated with >hot air, that rise into the air and sail off across the playa like >blimps. > >I've made these out of garbage bags and masking tape (not at burning man > >David Christie Netscape Communications Corporation >dc@netscape.com 501 East Middlefield Road >415-937-4407 Mountain View, CA 94043 great info David--thanks for the details! \_______/ ~ ~ (O) (O) =E7 (-) \_/ IIIII $$$$$ -danu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 22:38:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Ephemeral flying domes (was Re: Build it and He will come......) David Christie admitted: >...The last one I flew left Oberlin, Ohio (south of Cleveland) at about >10 AM, and we chased it cross-country in cars for about an hour until it >sailed out over Lake Erie, several thousand feet up, still climbing. We >watched it through binoculars until it disappeared from sight. I like >to think it made it to Canada, and came down in someone's back yard, to >delight and amaze them. That particular balloon had been flown and >recovered before... Think of the poor souls, frantically calling "Unsolved Mysteries", or perhaps Agents Muller and Scully of X-Files fame with their video-taped "proof" that UFO's are real physical objects. Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" Have Rest Stops. Why? james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 19:51:57 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: struck tutorial comments (fwd) danu@monitor.net writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Sat Apr 27 09:46:04 1996 > From: danu@monitor.net > X-Sender: danu@mail.monitor.net > Message-Id: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 09:52:55 -0800 > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: syn-l: struck tutorial comments > Cc: ThomasM451@aol.com > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > At 3:43 AM 4/27/96, Jack Lazariuk wrote: > > >What I find very interesting about Synergetics is that it is based upon > >experience. Before Bucky started working on synergetics he rejected > >everything he had ever learned and decided that he would rely solely on his > >own experience and not upon what he had been told. > > > >A good way to approach synergetics might be to rely upon your own > >experience. He held that truth was truth and had no seperate departments > >for math and chemistry and physics and art and relationships etc etc. > > > > >At minimun Two > > > >Synergy is > >the complex behavior > >of whole systems > >unpredicted by > >the isolated observation > >and consideration > >of only one or more > >parts of the system > > > >Love is the synergy > >of omnipermeative > >and inherently differentiating > >metaphysical radiation > >nonsynchronously coexisting > >with omniembracing > >and systemically integrating, > >and systemically integrating, > >eternally conserving, > >metaphysical gravity. > > > >Metaphysical radiation > >and metaphysical gravity > >eternally and only > >coexist. > > > > >Science demonstrates > >that unity is plural and at minimun two. > >with it's life-initiating > >awareness of otherness. > >No otherness, no awareness. > >No life. > >Life is inherently two. > > > >Science again demonstrates > >that unity is plural and at minimun two > >by requiring > >both an insideness and an outsideness > >of both > >the observed and the observer. > > > >Science again demonstrates that unity > >is at minimun two > >in the concomitant, > >always and only coexisting > >convexity and concavity. > >Science demonstrates > >that convexity diffuses > >and concavity concentrates > >the same impinging radiation > >wherefore the always and only > >coexisting concavity and convexity > >demonstrate that they are not > >the same function > >wherefore unity is plural > >and at minimun two. > > > >The eternally convergent-divergent > >dissynchronous juxtapositioning > >of inherently dissipative radiation > >and inherently conserving gravity > >pulsatively and resonatively propagate > >the infinite variety > >of wavelenghts and frequencies > >of nonsimultaneous, differently enduring, > >only overlappingly episoded > >only locally aborning and dying > >and only sumtotally > >eternally regenerative > >scenario Universe. > > > > > > >B.Fuller Penang, Malaysia Feb. 14, 1993 > >St. Valentine's Day/ Chinese New Year > > > > Thanks Jack for reminding us, and of course thanks Bucky! > > in-out:yin-yang; push-pull:yang-yin; rotate-translate:yin-yang > radiation-gravity: yang/yin; inside-outside: yin/yang; convex-concave:yang/y= > in > understanding-wisdom: yang/yin unity > revolution-evolution=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= > =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= > =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00 > =00=00: yin/yang spiral lovelution > > Hang with yang & Swim in Yin -danu > > =A7>\||/<=A7 > |_"""_| > (O) (O) > ---oOOO--(_)--OOOo----------------------- > \|||||/ > =A7=A7=A7=A7 > =A7=A7=A7=A7 > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 00:08:10 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Raul Almquist Organization: ShadowMAC Systems Subject: Re: Another swamp thang Nick Pine (nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu) wrote: : Texas is two-dimensional, with more wind in the north and sun in the west. : The SE corner is more humid, with warm nights in August. The NW corner is : more desertlike, with cool summer nights. Texans are starting to realize that : they now use more energy per capita than anyone else on earth, as net energy : importers, consuming more energy than they export. These days, Texans can make : $3,000 per acre per year growing cabbages and onions, vs $2,000 per acre : wind farming or $1,600 per acre pumping oil. You forgot one!!! OR, you can wind farm AND grow cabbages & onions while making $5K per acre! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 00:05:17 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: darryl parker Subject: Re: Precast Concrete Nick Pine wrote: >If the dome is a hemisphere, there is NO tension or compression in the circle >on the ground, just downward force. I did not know this. Now I do. Thanks. Darryl Parker ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 00:05:29 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: darryl parker Subject: Re: Precast Concrete Dawie Venter (Cape Town, South Africa) wrote: >Hi to Darryl Parker, > >I have been following the thread about the pre-cast concrete dome >panels, and am curious if you have considered ferro cement >construction at any stage? A friend of mine who first introduced me to the idea of cement domes several years told me during that same conversation about ferrocement boats. I started looking into the dome concept shortly after that chat. That is when I took off into an in-depth study of geodesic domes. Frankly I forgot about looking into ferrocement techonology until you reminded me. This friend told me about how tremendously strong ferrocement is and that the boat hulls made from it were thin shell (less than 1" thick). That is all I know about ferrocement at the present. > >I have ordered plans from KeyDome Engineering for the construction of >a 3f Icosa 40ft dome. The basic ferrocement construction method has >been proven in numerous construction projects and even large yachts >have been built utilising this method. Numerous advantages are >obvious: 1) The concrete shell of the dome is continious and is >waterproof through the inclusion of waterproofing agents in the mix. >2) Supplementary waterproofing may be added in the final finishing >of the structure. 3) Fire, rot and rodant resistant 4) and finally, >the concrete shell is applied over a thick styrofoam triangular >panels forming a geodesic dome. This means INSULATION in abundance! >The styrofoam may be finished on the inside with stucco, paneling or >more concrete. 5) The design makes use of standard hand tools, the >most "sophisticated" being a skill saw to cut the foam triangles and >it is also not necessary to cut edge dihedral angles. The wedge >shaped gaps (dihedrals) between the dome triangles are filled using >expanding poly-urathane foam in a can. 6) The concrete shell can be hand >stacked (budget approach) or spray applied. This construction method sounds like a close cousin to that which is used by American Ingenuity Inc. of Rockledge, FL. > >The plans show a single layer of fairly light mesh incorporated in >the entire (50mm thick) shell of the dome. All this talk about >a >dome constantly trying to FLY APART IN ALL DIRECTIONS < weell..., the >plans definately show an extra ring of reinforcing bars being >inserted around the circumferenceof the dome, just above the door >openings. I have built a 8 meter dia dome using a similar method >with no problems experienced. > >Similarly, over here, ferrocement "domes" are being built for low cost >housing, holiday homes etc. using an inflatable balloon former on the >inside. The balloon is deflated and extracted once the concrete has >set. Clusters of these domes are grouped to form the various living >areas of the home, eg bedroom wing or garage etc. (I have bitmap >pictures if you are interested). > >Regards >Dawie Venter (Cape Town, South Africa) > The man I spoke with at Allentown Pump & Gun a few days ago mentioned to me that cement construction is much more popular in Africa, and some tropical countries where people don't mind living in cement homes. He said his company exports shotcrete equipment to these countries where cement home building companies are thriving. In America, however, cement dwellings don't have near the appeal. In fact, the very thought of living in a cement home is a distasteful thought in the minds of many Americans. Some folks (who really can't afford it) would rather go into debt over their heads to build something out of wood and brick than to live in an inexpensive, virtually storm-proof, cement dwelling. If they want to become slaves to a bank for most of their lives in order to keep up with the Jones', then more power to them. We each choose our lot in life (or punishment). Personally, I hate debt. And would rather live in this travel trailer and eat beans twice a day than to sell my soul to a lending institution. (I suppose some would think that I am punishing myself living like this. Actually I thoroughly enjoy my humble existance, and the freedom I have to be a slave of Christ instead of men.) To be honest, the idea of an inflatable balloon way of constructing a cement dome is growing on me, for the simple fact that it seems like a simple, fast, and inexpensive way of building a cement dome, or even several of them utilizing the same form. Talk about doing more with less! I think you folks in South Africa have a real contribution to make in this discussion because of your experience. The reason I have been exploring the idea of precast geodesic dome panels is I have somewhat of a taste for aestetic quality, as do most Americans. Bubbles shot with concrete seem rather ugly to most Americans, including myself. But so does my travel trailer. Frankly, at this point, I don't care how ugly it is as long as it is paid for. As the bumper snicker reads, "Don't laugh, at least its paid for!" Moving into one of your South African domes would be, to me, like moving into a mansion. Precast concrete allows the designer quite a bit more control over the aestetic outcome than shotcrete...correct me if I'm wrong. And it is also a little more labor intensive to construct. But that is the price that one will need to pay in order to get an elegant looking cement dome home. Still, the finished product ought to be considerablly less expensive per square foot than a wooden dome. But don't try to nail me down on an exact price per square foot because I haven't calculated all of the costs yet. I'm still trying to engineer the silly thing. One the other hand, I would like to kindly nail you down on what it costs to construct one of your South African cement dome homes, per square foot. Of course, we need that info in American dollars, if possible. By all means, post yer pics. Darryl Parker ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 22:17:14 -0400 Reply-To: WBlackledg Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WBlackledg Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Connectors hi, does anyone/business sell just the connectors or hubs for geodesic frames? thanks, walter. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 02:15:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Merlin Levine Subject: Golden Mean/PHI/5/beauty/Fuller Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Felicitations Fellow Fullerines, Some of you know that I have written and lectured about PHI for many years. I am intrigued by its integration into the PYTHAGOREAN BROTHERHOOD, called THE SECRET ORDER OF THE GOLDEN APPLE. This was an order of initiates, who identified themselve by cutting an apple in half, horizontally, thereby display the 5-pointed star displayed by the arrangement of the seeds. Kepler called the Golden Section one of two geometry jewels, the other being the Pythagorean Theorem of Right Triangles. With these two jewels, we have geometry of 3-ness, 4-ness, and 5-ness. (3-ness from the 3 sides of the triange, 4-ness from the 90-degree angle, and 5-ness from the golden mean... The magic of phi is that it contains arithmetic, geometric, AND exponential resonance. >>> ....................... >>> Paul J Theriault wrote: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >>> Phi (the golden mean) is, of course, the diagonal of the pentagon. >>> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: It is not entirely correct to say that phi is the diagonal of the pentagon. PHI --- Phi is the mathematical ratio of aesthetic & functional perfection. Phi is related to the geometric ratios created by two intersecting diagonals of any regular pentagon. Phi is not the length of a line; it is a RATIO between things. The reason that PHI(VE) is related to the PHI(VE)-POINTED-STAR or PHI(VE)-SIDED THINGS is that when you draw TWO DIAGONALS, they intersect each other at geometrically precise points. These points denote the perfect proportion that Johannes Kepler (Astrologer & Father of Modern Astronomy) called, "THE DIVINE PROPORTION" or "THE WAY THAT GOD CREATES LIKENESS FROM SIMILARS." Phi is not the diagonal. It is the constant ratio that can be constricted using a PHI(VE) BASED GEOMETRY, rather than the traditional 4-BASE architecture that Bucky changed forever. We've been exploded out of 90-degreeness of our Saturnian STRUCTURES into a geodesic landscape/mindscape. In modern post-Fuller astrology, Saturn is understood as ENERGY RESISTANCE as in Fuller's description of TENSION/COMPRESSION DUALITY. Phi is not a thing. As four-ness creates "things," five-ness creates "no-things." It is ratio, not form. It is light, not mass. PERHAPS THIS WOULD HAVE INTERESTED GLOBAL-THINKING BUCKY: 5=penta=five=phive=phi(ve) All the great artists, mathematicians, and architects have known about the GOLDEN SECTION. Anyone who has done their homework has a collection of books on PHI, including: The Divine Proportion A Study in Mathematical Beauty by H.E. Huntley or The Power of Limits Proportional Harmonies in Nature, Art, & Architecture by Gyorgy Doczi For thousands of years, we have known of the relationship between VENUS and art, beauty, and perfection. The relationship between VENUS-THE-MYTH and VENUS-THE-PLANET was well understood by artists like Boticelli. Modern astrology understands the music of the spheres as geometry, and I know Bucky would have enjoyed that fact that VENUS beats in a PHI HARMONIC to EARTH. An EARTH-YEAR is 365.25 of our days. A VENUS-YEAR is 224.5 of our days. 365.25/224.5=1.627 or PHI (within .06%) So, VENUS-THE-PLANET represents a mass around a harmonic resonance to VENUS-THE-MYTH. 5 Earth Years = 8 Venus Years. Again, Fibonacci numbers. I am contantly re-amazed at the PHI-VENUS-FULLER-ART-NEWSCIENCE, etc. connections. And now, with the totally awesome work surrounding the greatest tribute to Fuller yet, an entire molecular classification named in his honor: buckminsterfullerenes. Again the introduction of PHI, through the pentagonal wafering, brings a magical-ness to these geodesic carbons. With application of fullerene-chemistry, we'll see Fuller eventually eclipsing Einstein and other greats. One last GOLDEN MEAN thought: In the work being done by Stuart Hameroff and Oxford Math/Physics-Guru Roger Penrose and others, there is a new understanding that MICROTUBULES, which are the structural filaments in nerve cells, are resonant, and they "quantum process," like "brains within brains." They vibrate and build critical resonance. And these hollow bio-nerve-tubes are GOLDEN-MEAN-BASED. In Penrose's newest book, SHADOWS OF THE MIND, there is an illustration (page 363) showing a view down a microtubule. It illustrates the 5 plus 8 spiral arrangement of the tubulins act similar to the optical effects of buckminsterfullerense. The most enlightening information on this developing fullerene relationship is described in the 1993 book by Koruga, Hameroff and others, entitled: FULLERENE C60 HISTORY, PHYSICS, NANOBIOLOGY, NANOTECHNOLOGY Bucky's SYNERGETICS is quoted throughout the book. There are intriguing illustrations entitled, for example, ICOSAHEDRAL VIBRATIONS FREQUENCIES: In ancient Egypt and Fullerence Science. Sorry for the length of this post. I've been bucky-lurking here for a long time, and occaisonally the phantom captain peeks out of his hole:-) I'm working some of this material into my website that I am weaving at: http://www.halcyon.com/rlevine/ I appreciate this group and its work/play. For nearly 30 years I have marvelled at Buckminster Fuller's mind. I still do. Rick. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 16:55:28 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Another swamp thang In-Reply-To: <4lucta$s0@blackice.winternet.com> central asian carvan trade- developed (200 B.C to 220) began to decline (960-1250) merchants kept few records and did not wish to reveal what they precieved to be their commercial secrets. from Afghanistan to Peking took about a year- from Constantinoople to central asia 9-10 months. obtained supplies and rested their animals in Oasis.which were hospitable and located in important geomgrphical position in mostly blaek and desolate desert. chinese stationed garisons and erected watchtowers beyond the grea twall, to provide safty line of communication for diplomate, trading caravans and other travellers who were traveling west. to be ocntinued. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 16:33:30 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: syn-l: Golden Mean/PHI/5/beauty/Fuller Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960428091521.00745df8@mail.halcyon.com> > > 5 Earth Years = 8 Venus Years. Again, Fibonacci numbers. > > I am contantly re-amazed at the PHI-VENUS-FULLER-ART-NEWSCIENCE, etc. > connections. And now, with the totally awesome work surrounding the greatest > tribute to Fuller yet, an entire molecular classification named in his > honor: buckminsterfullerenes. Again the introduction of PHI, through the > pentagonal wafering, brings a magical-ness to these geodesic carbons. With > application of fullerene-chemistry, we'll see Fuller eventually eclipsing > Einstein and other greats. Venus in Furr..... she is also the turturer.. in maschoistic myths redifining of Greek sphere sphere is a multimibillions of overlaping geodesic great circles. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 16:52:37 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Geoff Armstrong Subject: Re: Commendation: JOE MOORE >Geoff Armstrong writes: >> I don't get to travel to the US very often; but I was in MIA last week and >> managed to get hold of both Critical Path and Synergetics at 'Border books' >> in Coconut Grove. So after reading these I hope I can be more active on the >> list. > >Dear Geoff, > >Thanks for the virtual pat on the back. I try to post stuff that I wish were >available when I started studying Bucky. > >BTW, what is "MIA"? > > >-- > >JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. Dear Joe, MIA = Miami, which I saw described recently as "a postmodern nightmare". The traffic certainly is a nightmare; but the cosmopolitan atmosphere makes it fun. I used the three letter city code, which is a habit from working in the travel industry for the last 20 years. Every city's supposed to have a three letter code (well, at least if planes can land there). Geoff ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 10:54:25 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: geodesic home Comments: To: Barbara Greene In-Reply-To: <199604281459.AA17018@crl13.crl.com>; from "Barbara Greene" at Apr 28, 96 7:59 am Barbara Greene writes: > Hi Joe - > If you have such a list, I'd like to have it as well, with same caveats > you expressed. Will do, in a separate post > I am putting my old masters thesis on plydomes up as a web page so people > can download it free - I did about 10 of them almost 20 years ago, and > they are still a lowcost housing solution, at least up here in the > forests of Northern California. Please let us know your URL when you're ready > You've put some extremely useful stuff up from time to time, like your > list of links, the table of contents of various domebooks, your bibliography. > I will put that on, if its ok, as well. Everything I post is meant to be in the Public Domain, so by all means use whatever you wish. I'm trying to get as much info re Bucky into the PD as I can--legally. The internet is the perfect medium for such a project. > You sure have done a lot of work on this! > I think we will do one more up on my farm, and I want to figure out how > to project the Dymaxion Map from the INSIDE, sort of like a planetarium. Take one of the punchout maps that fold into an icosa globe and assemble it inside-out. > PArt of the mind-changing experience being, suddenly looking at the world > from the inside, being a group of people in it. (Have to dig out my old > optics texts for this one!) > Interesting to see all this come around again two decades later... I stumbled onto Bucky in 1970. > Kindest Regards, barbgreene -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 11:01:03 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Another swamp thang In-Reply-To: ; from "tom aagdii" at Apr 28, 96 4:55 pm tom aagdii writes: > central asian carvan trade- developed (200 B.C to 220) began to decline > (960-1250) > merchants kept few records and did not wish to reveal what they precieved > to be their commercial secrets. > from Afghanistan to Peking took about a year- from Constantinoople to > central asia 9-10 months. > obtained supplies and rested their animals in Oasis.which were hospitable > and located in important geomgrphical position in mostly blaek and > desolate desert. > > chinese stationed garisons and erected watchtowers beyond the grea twall, > to provide safty line of communication for diplomate, trading caravans > and other travellers who were traveling west. What source are you using for the above info? BTW, your posts to the Geodesic list are getting through. I think you had some typos in your bounced posts. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 12:39:02 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DOME REFS Comments: To: barbgrn@crl.com Barbara Greene I hope this includes the info you want. If not, let me know. I see so much email sometimes it all gets a little fuzzy! Joe. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOMES, GEODESIC ARCHITECTS, CONSULTANTS, DESIGNERS, ETC. Chu, Russell (Tensegrity Structural Systems) RCHU@aol.com Clinton International Design Consultants Joseph D. Clinton USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Fuller & Sadao, PC USA c/o EdApple@aol.com Fuller, Sadao & Zung USA c/o EdApple@aol.com Thorsteinn, Einar, DI ICELAND kingdome@mmedia.is Kingdomes Home Page http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome/ EXAMPLES (PICTURES, TEXT, ETC.) Araki, Yoshiaki (Synergetics Institute, Japan) Pine Dome Project http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/ Birth of the Geodesic Dome--How Bucky Did It (Lloyd Seiden) http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/ Bloedel Floral Conservatory Dome (Vancouver, BC, Canada) http://www.sutton.com/1stwest/tour/attractions.html Butts-Mehre Heritage Hall Dome (Athens, GA, USA) http://www.grady.uga.edu/megalabinc/athensvenueguide/buttsmear.html Caravan of Dreams Rooftop Grotto Bar and Cactus Garden Dome Ft.Worth, TX, USA http://www.fortworth.com/pressrel.htm Casa Manana Theater Dome (Fort Worth, TX, USA) http://www.cityview.com/fortworth/theaters.html Climatron Dome in the Missouri Botanical Gardens, St.Louis, MO http://www2.ncsu.edu/ncsu/design/pictures/large/PLZ.00008.JPG http://www.inlink.com/~jbhicks/stl_must_see.html DeMoor Winery Dome (Napa valley, CA, USA) http://www.freerun.com/napavalley/winetxt/demoor/demhist.html Dickson, Stewart (Geometry & Geodesic Domes) http://mathsource.wri.com/~mathart/portfolio/ Dinosaur State Park Dome (Tolland, CT, USA) http://www.highridge.com/village/cattract.htm DOME magazine (Paper, Don Hoflin, ed, Quarterly, CO, USA) Miscellaneous Reprints http://www.hoflin.com Domes in Australia (Victoria Laurie) http://www.iinet.com.au/~mktrecom/corringe/wilja.html Earthquake in Japan (Yoshiaki Araki) http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/disaster.html Expo '86 Dome Info http://www.scienceworld.bc.ca/HISTORY.HTML Ferrocement Domes in India http://wings.buffalo.edu/publications/reporter/vol25/vol25n12/9a.txt Fly's Eye Dome Model http://www.prysm.net/nightlife/Fly'sEye.GIF Free, Bob http://www.graphcomp.com/home/bfree/arch/domes.html Geary, Carol Stained Glass Dome http://sunsite.unc.edu/otis/pers/Geary_C.html Howard Auditorium Dome (Oral Roberts U, Tulsa, OK, USA) http://www.oru.edu/campus/howard.html Polymedia Performance Space Dome (Sidney, Australia) http://online.anu.edu.au/ITA/ACAT/drw/Articles/TheDome/TheDome.html Rhodes College Dome (Memphis, TN, USA) http://gray.music.rhodes.edu/scenes.html Rywalt, Chris Miscellaneous http://www.westnet.com/~crywalt/photos/photos.html Science World Dome (Expo '86; Vancouver, BC, Canada) http://www.scienceworld.bc.ca/HISTORY.HTML Siqueira, Rodrigo (Tensegrities pics & text) http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/ South Pole Dome (U.S. Headquarters, Antarctia) http://www.sjmercury.com/features/archives/intl2.htm Sudbury Neutrino Observatory (SNO) http://snodaq.phy.queensu.ca/SNO/sno.html Wright, Vedder Plastic Fork Dome http://world.std.com/~vwright/hobbies.html MANUFACTURERS, DEALERS, ETC. Aluminum Geodesic Spheres (AGS) USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Antennas for Communications (AFC) USA http://www.ocala.com/afc American Ingenuity, Inc. U.S.A. c/o donh@hoflin.com Canadian Space Services Ltd. CANADA http://www.magi.com/~css/ Dome Technology Co. USA http://www.netib.com/manufacturing/dome/page1.html Domespace Co. (BMI) USA http://www.branch.com/dome/dome.html Econ-O-Dome Domekits@aol.com Envisioneering CANADA http://www.ottawa.net/~envision GeoDomes Woodworks USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Growing Spaces USA http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/growing-spaces Hexadome of America, Inc. USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Key Dome USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Kingdomes USA http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome http://www.olworld.com/olworld/mall/mall_us/c_misc/m_kingdo/index.html L.L.Bean Geodesic Backcountry Tents http://www.llbean.com/products/wintercamping/WJ48-2/ Lundahl Scientific USA http://snake.srv.net/~que/index.html http://beep.roadrunner.com/~lundahl/ Monolithic Constructors, Inc. USA http://www.connect.net/monolith Natural Spaces, Inc. USA c/o donh@hoflin.com Oregon Domes, Inc. USA http://www.domes.com Shelter Systems USA http://www.shelter-systems.com Timberline Geodesics USA rsinger@domehome.com * http://www.domehome.com Thomas Register of American Manufacturers http://www.thomasregister.com Wilderness Furnishings Dome Tents USA http://www.wildfur.com/Tents/ MODELS 1 2 3 4 Sphere Kit (21") by A.G.S. Products BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi BuckyBall Kit (C-60) BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Mondotronics mondo@mondo.com C-60 Model (by A.G.S. Products) BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Dome Kit I Pitsco http://www.usa.net/~pitsco/pitsco/t20/domekit.html Geodesic Sphere & Dome Kit (3') BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Geomorph 12 Binary Arts Corp http://www.puzzles.com Glitter Globes (Karl Schmidt) Transtronics http://www.xtronics.com/ggkit.htm Hoberman Sphere BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Design Science Toys stuq@mhv.net Kingdome Models (5) by Einar Thorsteinn http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome Synergy Ball (Pat Salsbury Designer) BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Design Science Toys stuq@mhv.net TensegriToy (by Tensegrity Systems) BFI http://www.critpath.org/bfi Design Science Toys stuq@mhv.net Online Enterprises http://www.lon.com Zometool Biocrystal, Inc. http://mathart.com/ZomeTool/ZomeTool_home.html NEWSGROUPS Architecture alt.architecture.alternative SOFTWARE DOME (Rick Bono) http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/html/domes.html ftp://ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/bin/dome350.zip Dome Data Generator (Andy Wardley) ftp://ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/povray/utilities/geodome.zip Dome Generator avalon.chinalake.navy.mil/pub/utils/misc/geodesic_obj.uue Geodome (Software, Pics and Text) http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/ STRUCK (Gerald de Jong) http://www.xs4all.nl/~gdi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 14:47:13 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Another swamp thang Raul Almquist wrote: > OR, you can wind farm AND grow cabbages & onions while making $5K per acre! Good idea :-) For some reason, several speakers at the Abilene Renewables conference implied that with windfarming, no other land use was possible. But one of them, Michael Osborne, mentioned that a wind farm only uses up about 2% of the space under it, for foundations, roads, etc. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 23:44:22 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Notes on Third Wave by Alvin Toffler Here are my notes from the Second Wave part of the book THE THIRD WAVE. Why is this book important to Bucky fans? I believe that Fuller's basic notions such as more is lessing blend very closely with what is now happening with the third wave. I believe his criticisms of the Second Wave society to be much in line with Toffler's. The History of the Second wave and knowledge of the Third wave will help us, like Fuller, be more able to be "Anticipatory". I would be interested in any feedback that people have in regards to these notions and how Fuller's ideas blend in with Toffler. The more I learn about the concepts of "The Third Wave", the more I believe that Fuller was one of the very first "Third Wave" minds. Bill Paton (bpaton@inforamp.net) NOTES ON THE THIRD WAVE BY ALVIN TOFFLER Copyright 1980 1st Wave of Change: Agriculturalism 2nd Wave of Change: Industrialization 3rd Wave of Change: Informationalization Understanding this is the secret to making sense of much of the political and social conflict we see around us. 1st Wave: Extended Family. 2nd Wave: Move to the Nuclear Family, Mass Education, preparing people for rote and repetition, promptness, obedience, Factory. The Precondition of any civilization, old or new, is energy. The Second Wave (Industrialization) has several principles that made its unique design: 1.STANDARDIZATION: Identical products, Govt. Standards 2.SPECIALIZATION: of Jobs. 3.SYNCHRONIZATION: Punctuality, Work by clock rather than daytime or seasons time. 4.CONCENTRATION: Urban centres, People work in factories, Giant Corporations. 5.MAXIMIZATION: Big means efficient, Growth important even if shortsighted. 6.CENTRALIZATION: Centralizing of Power, Central Banking, Centralized Government. These 6 principles reinforced each other and led to rise of bureaucracy. Who runs things? The INTEGRATORS who integrate all levels of govt, society. By relieving families of need to raise children (Education) or take care of old (pensions, etc) they orchestrated the complexities of second wave civilizations. Governments act as managers rather than as creative social and political leaders. -Engineers have two types of machines: "Batch-processing", function intermittently, and "Continuous-Flow" - function all the time. Voting is Batch proceesing, Lobbying and Pressure groups are continuous flow, so they control the power. 2nd Wave Political structures are increasingly unable to cope with today's complexities. Another 2nd Wave Institution: The Nation State. -Economic Integration impossible without political integration. 2nd Wave technology could only be amortized if they produced goods for larger than local markets. -2nd Wave multiplied the number of people with a stake in the larger world, so bit by bit, psychological horizons expanded. Localism faded, National Consciousness stirred. Starting with the American (1776) and French (1789) Revolutions and continuing through the 19th Century, Nationalism swept across the industrialized world. What we call the Modern Nation is a 2nd Wave Phenomenon: (a) a single integrated political authority superimposed on or fused with (b) a single integrated economy. Expansionism took place through the "Space Race" of the 19th Century: Building Railroads. The drive towards integration did not end at nation-state borders. Industrial Civilization had to feed from without and could not survive unless it integrated the first world into the world's money system and controlled that system for its own benefit. Colonizers of the First World viewed them as backwards and underdeveloped. They needed their cheap resources. They got what they wanted through bribes or threats and then the "Law of First Price" in which the initial low prices had to be given to everyone. First wave peoples were no longer self-sufficient since they had to work around one industry. They became dependent on the marketplace they could not control. In 1944 the World (Primarily the United States) set up the Internation Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank. Countries money was pegged to the US Dollar or Gold Standard. The World Bank was established primarily to provide post-war reconstruction funds to Europe. Soon, the General Agreement of Tariffs and Trade (GATT) was established to liberalized trade but made it more difficult for poorer, less technologically advanced countries to protect their tiny industries. Then the World Bank was prohibited to make loans to countries not in the IMF or obeying the GATT. From 1944 until the early 1970s, the US basically dominated this system. The USSR did the same with its satellites and the 1st wave nations. Rampant Industrialization was more than a political, economic, or social system; it was also a way of life and way of thinking. It produced a 2nd Wave mentality. This 2nd Wave mentality is a key obstacle in creating a workable 3rd Wave civilization. Progress Principle, Second Wave society and Expansionism is based on 3 beliefs: 1) Nature is to be exploited. 2) Humans are pinnacle of long process of evolution. 3) History flows irreversibly towards the progress of a better life for humanity. -Time was standardized and seen in a linear fashion. - Space became organized: straight lines and squares; Buildings and cities. -Segmenting to smallest single units: the atom. We believed we could accomplish or understand anything if we could find the critical variables. Neither technology nor ideas or values by themselves are the driving forces of history. Split between Production and Consumption created marketplaces, stock exchanges, world markets, etc. 2nd Wave altered personality; shaped it and was shaped by it: -We savaged nature, yet rushed to it on weekends and revered it. -Learned to play society's games, yet hated them. -Nakedness became something to shame now. -2nd Wave improved standards of living and length of life. However, the 2nd Wave's energies are spent. New realities are unfolding: 1) We have reached a turning point in our war against nature. 2) We can no longer rely on non-renewable energy. 3) Our value system is in crisis. If we look closely around us at the failure and collapse we see early signs of growth and new potential: Which is the Third Wave. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 21:44:45 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: TIMBERLINE UPDATE (fwd) tline@ccnet.com writes: > From ccnet.ccnet.com!ccnet.com!tline Sun Apr 28 20:46:14 1996 > Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 20:44:46 -0700 > Message-Id: <199604290344.UAA12274@ccnet.ccnet.com> > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > From: tline@ccnet.com > To: joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > Subject: Re: TIMBERLINE UPDATE > References: <9604252117.aa09488@bbs.cruzio.com> > > An update on the update. The web site should be ready by the end of > summer, (hopefully 30-45 days). We are working hard on it. If anyone > would like a copy of the newsletter, please send us your snail mail > address. > > Thanks., > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 03:46:41 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tline@CCNET.COM Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Subject: Re: TIMBERLINE UPDATE An update on the update. The web site should be ready by the end of summer, (hopefully 30-45 days). We are working hard on it. If anyone would like a copy of the newsletter, please send us your snail mail address. Thanks., ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:01:52 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: TIMBERLINE UPDATE In-Reply-To: <4m1e31$k6o@ccnet2.ccnet.com> here is a list of books in commanders' library, the name of the ship is columbia (1838) this show how the navy were comprhensive, of course it is different in Fuller time around the beginning of the century, and still in our day we would choose differently still. i write it just for skimming over. i skip capital letter. Azuins Maritime Law acts in the 24th & 25 congress Blunts coast pilot Bowditch Navigator Brookes Gazeteer Cavallos Philosphy Chesterfield letters Clerks naval Tactics Circumaviation of the Globe Classical Dictionay Currants specehes Ceylon Almanack Dictonary of Commerce and Navigation Dictionary of Quotations Diplomacyof the U.states webster dictionary Elliots Diplomatic Code elemnts of international law east india register french grammar falconers maritime dictionary Guerney Eassys Hosbrugh east inia directions Hough on curts Martial Johnson on Climates Laws of Better Govt.of the Navy Macartneys embassy of china Macarthur on courts martial moral science Mills history of india Murray grammar marine telegraphic signals naval tactics anval poket gunner for brithish navy naval cunnery by sir dougls operation mecanic owens voyages to explore the cources of arabic africa observations instructions for theo fficers of the royal navy oriental navigator polyglott bible plans for the gov& trade in india from comm:biddle Plutarcks lives reyonlds journal round the world ruschenberger ditto rules of the navey dep"reulating the civil administration rules& regulations prepared by the navy commrs regulations of commanders^& pursers of vessels of the U.states steels atlantic& west inian vavigator seamanship system of tactics with the present practise of the british navy statisical annal of the U.States Tytler on law voyage to China sea wealth of nations wilberforce practical view of christianity book of ripvate devotion tracts tracts, chines repostiory 2 books of charts trunours in roman charcters ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:29:19 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Notes on Third Wave by Alvin Toffler In-Reply-To: ; from "bill paton" at Apr 28, 96 11:44 pm Just a thought: I wonder what the FOURTH wave would be? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:45:41 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: General Systems Theory, ala R. Buckminster (fwd) Joe Moore writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Mon Apr 29 08:43:42 1996 > Subject: Re: syn-l: General Systems Theory, ala R. Buckminster > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 8:42:45 PDT > From: Joe Moore > In-Reply-To: ; from "Jack Lazariuk" at Apr 28, 96 9:17 pm > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] > Message-ID: <9604290842.aa14092@bbs.cruzio.com> > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > Jack, > > Do you think as a favor to us Bucky fanatics that collect everything related > to him, that when you post a quote from him that you could indicate the source > and page numbers? It's no big deal if it's too much trouble, but it's useful > info if someone picks up a Bucky quote and includes it in their web page. > Eventually I can include it in my Bucky links (see Quotes section in BFVI). > > Thanks, > > Joe > > PS: If enough of us post enough quotes by Bucky, eventually we'll have a good > collection of the Best of Bucky Quotes out on the net. > -- > > JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 > CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:44:26 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tognon Marco Subject: Re: TIMBERLINE UPDATE by Tom Aagdi >here is a list of books in commanders' library, the name of the ship is >columbia (1838) >this show how the navy were comprhensive, of course it is different >in Fuller time around the beginning of the century, and still in > our day we would choose differently still. >i write it just for skimming over. > Thank you for this impressive list. I wonder what this list has to do with Timberline? Maybe the word "timber" or "line" appears in one of these books? I "follow" your comments for months, but they are a bit to "high". Maybe we can start a "High Dome" discussion subject, with T. A. as president. Any way, Tom, I enjoi some of your articles. A bit more "down to the earth" will make it easier to understand. Keep up. Marco, form Belgium. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:36:49 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: larry mintz Organization: CiteNet Telecom - Commercial Internet Service Subject: Bucky Fuller Software SYNERGIA FOR MS Windows v3.1 Synergia consists of 3 progams: 1) The Expanded Hypertext Version Of The Operating Manual For Spaceship Earth by Bucky Fuller 2) The Database Diary 3) dbClient Manager 1) Features of The Expanded Hypertext Version... are the following: 1) NEW material not found in the original book 2) Each chapter in its own scrollable window 3) Can view more than one chapter at once 4) Program allows you to use an editor and connect to a modem 5) Has an integrated IDE 2) Features of the Database Diary: 1) Integrated into the menu of The Expanded Hypertext Version... 2) Program can run as a stand-alone too. 3) Has a browse box which lists all the pages(records) of diary 3) The dbClient Manager is a PIM. Features of the dbClient Manager: 1) Integrated the menu of the Expanded Hypertext Version... 2) Can run as a stand-alone too. 3) Can print labels or the database. 4) Can store bitmaps of people you know. 5) Store up to 2 billion records. Synergia comes with a manual. Requirements: 386/40 + CPU 4 Megs RAM 1 3.5"" disk drive 10 MEGS of hard disk space Price: $50.00 CDN If interested send cash,cheque,or MO to Larry Mintz c/o Geodesic Software 6625 Mackle Road #604 Cote St Luc,Que,H4W 2Z8 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:03:39 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Still thinking about my 12 year old friend who added 1/4 tsp of lemon juice to her standard bubble mix (1/2 cup green Dawn, 3 Tbs glycerin, 2 quarts H2O) to make the bubbles last 111 seconds at 80 F and 506 sec at 45 F, vs 309 sec and 185 sec; 1/4 tsp of maple syrup instead made this 431 and 345 sec. What is a good bubble solution for blocking longwave IR radiation from a house window? What is that IR wavelength? Black bodies radiate heat at many wavelengths. Planck's law describes a curve with a peak for this, ie at wavelength lambda, a blackbody with temperature T (Kelvin) radiates with an intensity E(lambda) = C1/(lambda^5[exp(C2/(lambda T))-1]), where C1 = 3.74 x 10^-16 m^2W and C2 = 0.0144 mK. Wein's displacement law says where the peak is: the wavelength corresponding to the maximum intensity of blackbody radiation is Lmax = 2898/T microns. 80 F is about 27 C or 300 K, so the wavelength with max intensity at 80 F is about 10 microns or 0.0004 inches, ie just less than half a thousandth of an inch. How can we measure a bubble thickness like that? What makes bubble walls thick? Compared to the intensity at this wavelength, this blackbody radiates at some other wavelength L with a relative intensity of approximately Irel = (Lmax/L)^5 x exp(C2/(Lmax T)-1)/exp(C2/(L T)-1). L: 1 micron 10^5 120.5 / 7 x 10^20 = 1.7 x 10^-14 5 microns 32 120.5 / 14765 = 0.26 10 microns 1 120.5 / 120.5 = 1 20 microns 0.031 120.5 / 10 = 0.38 50 microns 0.00032 120.5 / 1.61 = 0.024 It looks like thicker bubble walls are better, up to the point where the bubble wall itself begins to be a sideways path between the two glazings. If the bubble wall were 10 times thicker than the longest interesting wavelength, (as people think about transmission lines), it might be 500 microns or 0.020" thick, which seems very thick for a bubble. A wall 4" thick filled with 0.2" bubbles like that would have a 10% water cross section, so we might think of such a 10' x 10' wall as having a 1' x 1' thermal shunt made of water with a thermal conductance of 1 Btu/hr. If that were the only thermal path, that wall would have an R-value of 100... Perhaps a bubble with a given wall thickness is a better insulator at higher temperatures with shorter wavelengths. Water has an index of refraction of about 4/3, so each air-water interface with a sufficiently thick layer of water compared to a wavelength would have a Fresnel loss of about ((4/3-1)/(4/3+1))^2 = 1/7^2 = 2%. A 4" thick wall with 20 clear 0.2" bubbles in series might have an attenuation of 1.02^20 = 1.5 for IR radiation. Not much... We may need smaller bubbles than that, perhaps with thinner walls and some dye. Let's see, an 80 F room loses about (80-30)/R2 = 25 Btu/hr/ft^2 of heat on a 30 F day through an ordinary double glazed window. Two layers of poly film with little greenhouse effect (IR blocking) have an R-value of about 1.2... And a 1 ft^2 80 F blackbody with no glazing radiates 0.174E-8(460+80)^4 = 148 Btu/hr, while the 30 F world radiates 100 Btu/hr back at it, so it loses 48 Btu/hr by radiation, ie the R-value owing to radiation is about 1 (50/48.) An attenuation of 10, ie 1.02^N=10 makes N=ln(10)/ln(1.02)=114 0.035" diam. bubbles across a 4" wall, at 28 bubbles per inch... How big are the bubbles that come out of an airstone in an aquarium? What happens if we remove the fish and fill the aquarium with some interesting soaps and IR dyes (?) and warm water, and glue some foamboard on the sides (or start with a styrofoam cooler) and put a glass lid on the top and measure how fast the water cools with two thermometers and a clock... Suppose our cooler is 1' tall x 1' wide x 2' long with a 1' x 2' glass lid, and the sides are 1" thick R4 white beadboard, coffeecup foam, with a thermal conductance of Coth = 8 ft^2/R4 = 2 Btu/hr-F. This situation might be like a bubblewall ceiling under a clear polycarbonate roof, with natural daylighting and vertical heatflow. Without the bubbles, we might have a thermal conductance of Coth + 2 ft^2/R1 = 4 Btu/hr-degree F. With bubbles, the conductance might decrease to Coth + 2/Rx, close to 2 if Rx is large. So if we filled the cooler it with 8" of 130 F water, ie 80 pounds of hot water, we might expect the box with no bubbles to lose (130-70)4 = 240 Btu to a 70 F room in an hour, reducing the water temp to 130-240/80 = 127 F. The box might be 124 F after 2 hours or 70+(130-70)exp(-4/20) = 119 F after 4 hours, since the RC time constant of the box would be about 1/4*80 = 20 hours with no bubbles. (After the first hour, the water is cooler, so it loses less heat in the next hour, so the temperature drops less in the next hour, etc.) If we measure a water temperature of Tb (F) after 20 hours, with bubbles, and Tnb without bubbles, what is Rx? T = 70+(130-70)exp(-20/RC), so RC = -20/ln((T-70)/60) = R x 80, so R = -1/(4 ln((T-70)/60). Suppose we measured Tnb = 92 F and Tb = 106 F. Then Rnb = -1/(4 ln((920-70)/60) = 0.24918 F-hr/Btu and Rb = 0.48940, so 1/Rnb-1/Rb = (Coth+2/R1)-(Coth+2/Rx) = 2 - 2/Rx, so Rx = 2/(2+1/Rb-1/Rnb) = 2/(2+2.0433-4.0132) = R33. Dr. Aristid Grosse made bubbles that lasted more than a year, as did Belgian physicist Joseph Plateau in the 1800s. Dr. Grosse's principles of bubble health and long life are: 1. Dust is the enemy of bubbles. 2. Carbon dioxide poisons bubbles (better bubbles are blown by non-humans), and 3. Bubbles love cold. They also like humidity. Glycerin helps bubbles fight humidity. Maybe we don't need it inside a glazing cavity with 100% humidity. Perhaps this should be a closed system, to avoid building up dust. Something like this? ---------------------------- | ---------------------- | sand filter?--> | | <-- | | <--bubbles | | | | | | ---------- | | | | | - air | --> | | | -- | | pump ---- | | | ---- ---------- | | | <--water |w| | | |wwww| <--water level | | | -- | | | ---- | | | water return-> | | | --------------------- | ---------------------------- Let's all try to invent an insulating bubble wall, perhaps starting with two pieces of glass or single-layer polycarbonate plastic with butyl tape or caulk over a plastic 1x3" or foamboard frame that can be filled between with bubbles at night emerging from an aquarium airstone immersed in a soapy solution at the bottom. This could really be useful in a passive solar house or a greenhouse, like Beadwall. Simple, elegant, movable insulation. During the day, the sun shines in on some thermal mass, and at night the glazing fills up with bubbles, keeping the heat in. Commercial greenhouses use two huge layers of UV-treated polyethylene film inflated to form an air pillow 4" thick. A tiny 50 watt blower can inflate a 1 acre greenhouse. Would bubblewalls work with poly film pillows? Bubbles tend to last longer in cold humid conditions. A layer of frozen bubbles inside an outside glazing might be very good insulation on a very cold night. Perhaps there is an optimal bubble size for insulation. Too small, and convection losses might be small, but conduction losses and air pump power and water transport thermal losses might be large. Too big, and convection losses go up. Ohm's law for heatflow is a good starting point here: the amount of heat Q in Btu/hour that flows through a wall with area A ft^2 and R-value R and temps Ti (F) on one side and To on the other, is Q = (Ti-To)A/R. Here's another bubble wall test setup, a 2' cube divided in half by a bubble wall that might have an R-value of 2 when empty and 20 when full. We might make the cube out of 2" Styrofoam with an R-value of 10. One side could be kept at 32 F with some melting ice at the top, with some foam on top and around the window screen ice tray, and the other side could be kept at 132 F with a thermostat and a light bulb, with a piece of aluminum foil to shade the bubblewall from the bulb. How much ice water might we collect in an hour with the bubblewall empty and full of bubbles? This might be a more accurate way to measure the R-value than the aquarium way, especially since house windows are usually vertical, with lower heat losses. What might we get for readings in each case if we hook up the light bulb to a kWh meter? It's nice to have two ways to check the heatflow through the bubble wall. ......................... 70 F room . ice .. . . ......................... . . .. . . . To .. Ti . R10 . 2' 2' . 32 F .. 132 F . . . .. light . . . .. bulb . . ......................... 2' 1' 1' ^ |___ bubble wall It takes 144 Btu to melt a pound of ice, and there are 3410 Btu in a kWh. Here is the following electrical circuit analog: Iir 32 F 132 F Ier --> | <-- | --> 70 F ---wwww---*---wwww---*---wwww--- 70 F R10/12 | Rx/4 | R10/12 = 0.83 | | = 0.83 | | --- ^ --- Ui --- | --- | Ue | --- --- - - Where Ui and Ue are flows of ice and electrical energy (Ui flows down, in this picture.) What would Ui and Ue be if Rx were 2 without bubbles and 20 with bubbles? In either case, Iir = (70-32)x12 ft^2/R10 ft^2 = 45.6 Btu/hr flows into the ice from the room, and Ier = (132-70)x12 ft^2/R10 = 74.4 Btu/hr flows out of the light bulb into the room. If Rx = 2, an additional (132-32)x 4 ft^2/R2 = 200 Btu/hr flows out of the light bulb into the ice, and if Rx = 20, only 20 Btu/hr more flows that way. The total ice and electrical energy flows would be Rx = 2 (no bubbles) Rx = 20 (bubbles) Ui 245.6 Btu/hr (27.3 oz ice water/hr) 65.6 (7.3 oz ice water/hr) Ue 274.4 Btu/hr (80.5 watts) 94.4 Btu/hr (27.7 watts) Nick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:28:39 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Use of Lateral Thinking/Edward de Bono notes. The Use of Lateral Thinking by Edward de Bono Copyright 1967 Why do some people always seem to be having new idea while others of equal intelligence never do? This book looks at this. It is an early formulation of De Bono's ideas on Creative, Designing Thinking. He later refined many of the concepts and techniques through Specific Methods in later books like Serious Creativity. -Vertical Thinking is high probability, straight ahead thinking. Lateral thinking is low probability, sideways thinking. -Ideas don't come about through sheer vertical effort. -Dominant ideas tend to polarize thought. -New info which might smash an old idea will often be incorporated into it. -Escaping dominant idea: 1) Identify dominant idea which polarizes situation, then you can recognize it and avoid it. 2) Acknowledge idea then distort it until it loses its identity and collapses. -Rejecting an idea is only exchanging positive domination for negative domination. -Freedom of thought is just as limited by rejection than acceptance of ideas. -A dominant idea seen as an obstacle rather than a convenience is the firt principle of lateral thinking. A) Principles of Lateral Thinking: 1. Recognition of dominant polarizing ideas. 2. The search for different ways of looking at things. 3. A relaxation of the rigid control of vertical thinking. 4. The use of Chance. B) With most situations what starts as a temporary and provisional manner of looking at them soon turns into the only possible way, especially if encouraged by success. C) One technique to avoid the rigidity of words is to think in terms of visual images and not use words at all. D)A very useful technique for excaping from the fixed parts of problems is to break parts down into various smaller parts and recombine them to form larger novel parts. -Problems are the jolts that shift things out of the smooth rut of mere adequacy. -Usual way is to accept something as adequate until new info proves it inadequate.Why not reverse process and develop new ways of looking at things and seeing if it proves useful? -No way of looking at things is too sacred to be reconsidered. -Another technique is to turn upside down deliberately by consciously reversing some relationship. -Another way is to transfer the relationships to an easier handled situation.- An analogy for breaking down the rigidity of particular ways of looking. -Another simple technique is to shift emphasis from one part of the problem to another. Each element is placed in spotlight. -Vertical thinking is not only ineffective in generating new ideas but is also inhibiting. -Purpose of logic should be to confirm final conclusions. - As lateral thinking has no fixed direction there is no difficulty in going away from a problem in order to solve it. -Limitations of vertical thinking include being right at every stage and having everything rigidly defined. -In its early stages an idea might exist in a form too contradictory for logical acceptance. This doesn't mean it cannot develop into a useful new idea. Too early expression may commit an idea to a pattern of development it may not naturally have followed. -A new idea can't have a form thrust on it. -Logical judgement can only deal with facts it is aware about. -Sometimes useful to try to be deliberately wrong in your evaluation and try to proceed as far as you can in each direction. A better point of view may be discovered. -With lateral thinking one wonders and wanders. No attempt to explain is given. If it gives rise to an idea, Okay, if not, Okay. But it is noted in its pure form. Open consciousness embraces all it is offered without the need to explain or classify or construct at every instant. -Chance is important in generation of new ideas. It provides something to look at when that something could never have been looked for. -Play encourages chance. It must be without direction or purpose. -Brainstorming = mutual stimulation with no inhibitions. - Wandering around new place exposes you to new stimulus, readiness to consider anything instead of a searching attitude. -Method: Deliberate intertwining of many separate trains of thought. Ways of looking at things in one field become original in another. -With practice, looking at things in different ways the capacity to find a context gets stronger. -Pick an object out of environment and try to see how it could be relevant to matter under consideration. -Don't seek out only relevant information. This relevance is judged by old ideas, not new. -Keep at it. You get better and learn to use it more. -Simplicity and Effectiveness: the two aims of Lateral Thinking. -Quite often the difficulty in looking for something is one carries in mind not the principle itself but some embodiment of it. It can be useful to try to find examples of some particular thing that is needed to try something out. -Sometimes it is amusing to look at an object and try to develop an idea from it. -The usefulness of ordinary objective in another context is often surprising. -Logic needs a direction to work. Lateral thinking does not. -The ideal of Lateral Thinking is the simplicity of extreme sophistication, the simplicity of an idea that is very effective in action and yet elemental in its form. It is the simplicity of richness, not of poverty. It is the simplicity of fullness, not emptiness. -"Intrinsic Rightness" -If you can't think laterally, you become eaten by someone who can. -The aim of Lateral Thinking is to generate new ideas. -Lateral Thinking is more a habit of thinking than knowledge of some technique. -The usefulness of an outside view of a problem is not only a new point of view but also you are not bogged down by a particular way of thinking and approaching things that has developed to those closest to a problem. -Lateral thinking serves a purpose even if only as a catalyst to set off some new train of thought. Sometimes a new idea may be tantalizingly close to hand. -Trying to always be right stops one from looking when one is wrong. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:52:31 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: darryl parker Subject: Re: Precast Concrete James Fischer wrote: > If you agree: > > 1) that the base of the dome is under tension > > 2) (as you said) "Domes do have the unique > ability to try to equalize the forces over > the entire network of struts." > > ...then why don't you agree that the entire network of > struts is under tension? I would think that you have > worked out everything on this but the conclusion itself. > Take for example a single freqency icosa. The pent cap consists of ten struts, five of which radiate downward at an angle from the apex hub to intersect a five strut pentagon which lies on a horizontal plane (assuming the system has not been rotated). The simple model which I have is made from straws and pipe cleaner. Whenever I push down on the apex (in the direction of gravity) the five radials which slope downward from the apex are obviously under compression, while the horizontal straws in the pentagon are obviously under tension. If I push down on the apex hard enough, the "radial straws" begin to flex under compression while the horizontal "pentagon straws" are taunt and begin to disjoint from their intersections. Thus proving that some struts are under compression while others, namely the horizontal ones, are under tension. Double the frequency to a two frequency icosa pent cap. Then either push down on the apex, or apply pressure more widely over the system again in the direction of gravity. You will find, as I have, that the "downward" struts are obviously under compression, while the horizontal struts are obviously under tension. This principle no doubt exists in the higher freqencies as well. Darryl Parker ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:52:42 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: darryl parker Subject: Re: Precast Concrete Jack Lazariuk wrote: >This leads me to thinking about choice of materials. Following the path of >doing more with less and aiming for a tension-compression equilibrium I >would think that one would strive for a structure that is using the >principals of tension as much as one can. This would point to using >materials that have a high tensile strength and a 'lightness' so as to >require lease compressional strength. So the question becomes - Is >concrete a wise choice for building domes ? The weight of concrete seems >to me to become the primary issue. You will need to use compressional >strength to carry the weight of the dome and additional pressures. To get >more strength you use more concrete thus more weight. Maybe others can >answer that question. To answer your question, "Is concrete a wise choice for building domes?" I surfed the web today and found some sites which should answer your question. To save you the effort of typing in a number of URLs, I made my own web page dedicated to Thin Shell Concrete Domes. It is located at: http://www.texhoma.net/~goldnoil/domepage.html I hope to expand this page in the coming days as I find more time to explore other indexes on the internet. Also, if you or anyone else reading this happen to discover other web sites dealing with the topic of thin shell concrete domes, I would greatly appreciate it if you would copy the URL and paste it in an Email to me. The web site which won the Most Fascinating award from me today was by an architect named "Bini" (on the above-mentioned web page). This man from Italy invented and patented a method of constructing reinforced concrete shell structures, ranging from 12 to 40 meters in diameter, in less than two hours! He does it without the use of either precast concrete or shotcrete. And he claims that there are over 1500 such building in use in 23 countries. Pictures of the construction process are included in the web page. Also, in 1985 Bini designed and was directly involved in the construction of the world's first self-shaping geodesic dome structure (known as Binistar) which was built in Bari (Italy). What is meant by "self-shaping" is the geodesic dome strut system is all loosly connected together flat on the ground on top of an airform (Imagine a geodesic dome squashed flat on the ground). Concrete is then poured over the entire surface area of flat round structure. Another membrane is placed over the the freshly poured concrete. Finally, air is pumped into the underlying airform and the entire structure (concrete, metal & all) is lifted into a self-shaping geodesic structure which locks into place and is already covered with concrete. It then cures into a contiuous pour dome. Concrete domes might not be "as light as a feather", as your referenced Salvador Dali as saying, but at least they won't fly away in a tornado, or burn with fire, or rot, or get eaten with bugs, or gasp! EXPLODE! (tongue firmly planted in cheek). Darryl Parker ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:38:19 -0400 Reply-To: OREGDOME Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: OREGDOME Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Dome Owners Fellow Dome Owners, Oregon Dome has started to gather a database of completed domes. This database will be used to assist our prospective dome owners obtain construction loans and current dome owners refinance mortgages. As you may know, dealing with bankers is often an obsticle in building domes, so by contributing to this, you would be assisting other potential owners. This information would also be available to you should you wish to refinance your dome. If you choose to contribute to this database, your address and phone number will not be given out, only the residence name and city of the dome. This is enough information for bankers to do their research and not enough information for them to call on you with questions. Your dome need not be an Oregon Dome. If you would like to assist us in this project, you can contact Nathan Burke at Oregon Dome, Inc. For your effort in filling out the short form that has the pertinent information, you will receive a beautiful polygon candle, handcrafted in Oregon. Thanks, Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. Web: http://www.domes.com E-Mail: oregon@domes.com Fax: (541) 689-9275 Phone: (800) 572-8943 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:32:29 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Subject: Re: Precast Concrete At 11:52 PM 4/29/96, darryl parker wrote: >To answer your question, "Is concrete a wise choice for building domes?" I >surfed the web today and found some sites which should answer your question. >To save you the effort of typing in a number of URLs, I made my own web page >dedicated to Thin Shell Concrete Domes. It is located at: > >http://www.texhoma.net/~goldnoil/domepage.html This stuff sure is interesting Darryl and is making me do alot of thinking. Thanks for sharing it with us. Jack Lazariuk e.mail lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 04:44:47 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Goodall Organization: York University Subject: Re: Build it Thanks for the "gold nuggets" brother, I'm off to do me sum research'n. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 04:48:14 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Goodall Organization: York University Subject: Re: Build it and He will come...... Thanks to everyone for the insight. Put the project in perspective for me. Time for massive research. Adios.....John Goodall ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:21:08 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: Precast Concrete In article <318127B6.7442@freenet.vcu.edu>, Marc Visconte wrote: > Jack Lazariuk wrote: > > (As an aside- I spoke once with someone who was involved > > with building his DEW-Line domes and he made the comment > > that these domes became positively frightening when they > > were getting near the point of putting the final pieces > > in place. His description was similar to putting an > > explosion back in it's box.) > > Pretty interesting statement. Is there any other info, elaboration, > other statements? While I've long been enamored with domes, I've never > gotten around to building one (lack of confidence? How hard can it be?) > so I can't really comprehend his/ her statement, but the image it creats > is very intreguing. No it was just someone who I met in a bar. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:07:32 GMT+0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Venter, Dawie" Organization: Denel Informatics, Cape Reg Office Subject: Thin shell concrete WWW page Hi Darryl I had a look at your "Thin Shell Concrete Domes" page, very impressive! Maybe you could locate another company in America called Key Dome Engineering, which sells plans for polystyrene and ferro-cement geodesic domes, not sure if they have a WWW page. Concrete certainly is a viable material for dome construction as well as being suitable for many other uses. For example, last year I used concrete door and window frames in the construction of my house (a cement brick and mortar structure, unfortunately not a dome). The concrete door frames are very strong, thin in profile, with mounting points for standard doors and jambs cast in and reversable for left and right opening. The concrete window frames also have a thin profile, takes pre-glazed aluminium opening sections, may be rotated for top-hung or side-hung window applications, and mounting points for standard burglar bars already cast into the frame. The manufacturer supplies most popular opening sizes and frames may also be "epoxied" together for a special sized opening. Matching pre-cast window sills with water barriers are part of the system. The usual benefits of concrete is available: low maintenance, no rust and rot, low cost and may be painted any colour. Regards Dawie Venter ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 07:25:26 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Dome Owners Nathan Burke wrote: >Oregon Dome has started to gather a database of completed domes. This >database will be used to assist our prospective dome owners obtain >construction loans and current dome owners refinance mortgages... This seems like a useful idea. I've heard that some bankers have come to like Monolithic Domes, eventually, and there is at least one mortgage company seeking to finance MDs. Bankers are are initially put off by their looks and weirdness, but some come to realize that they are fireproof, earthquakeproof, tornadoproof, etc, as well as extremely energy-efficient. Bankers are still leery of owner-built structures, tho (correctly perhaps), thinking that many people may end up lacking the time and money to finish them. Monolithic Domes have been FHA-financed, and get about 1/3 the fire-insurance rates of a building that is not all-masonry, including a masonry roof. Now if they were only a bit less permanent and hard to move... :-) I wonder if something like these could be made in a factory, using thinnish ferrocement/foam sandwiches in curved rectangular sections that stacked up and lapped to shed rain? With modular window and door sections, etc... Some gaskets to help make them airtight and some kind of tensile system inside, to keep them from "flying apart." But then one is still locked into a shape related to a certain diameter sphere... Perhaps a modular factory version of Steve Bear's Zome house instead, with a ceiling pond at the top, or a solar closet or adobe furniture on the ground for more thermal mass, to make a solar house with no other form of heat, and near-inexhaustable solar hot water too, with no backup system... At any rate, put a few windows or air heater sections on the south side, and one might have an excellent solar-heated structure. I'd like to help all kinds of domebuilders try to make 100% solar houses with good passive solar engineering... Nick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:01:47 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: General Systems Theory, ala R. Buckminster (fwd) ThomasM451@aol.com writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Mon Apr 29 23:37:03 1996 > From: ThomasM451@aol.com > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:39:23 -0400 > Message-ID: <960430023922_481223529@emout07.mail.aol.com> > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > cc: ThomasM451@aol.com > Subject: Re: syn-l: General Systems Theory, ala R. Buckminster > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > Taken from ISSS Proceedings > July, 1995 Amsterdam > A paper by Peter Corning > > SYNERGY: A UNIFYING CONCEPT FOR THE SCIENCES? > > ABSTRACT > > Synergy -- the combined effects produced by two (or more ) parts, elements or > individuals -- is a unbiquitous phemomenon in nature and human societies > alike. Although it plays a significant role in most, if not all, of the > scienctific disciplnes its importance is not widely appreciated because it > travels under many different aliases, including emergence, cooperativity, > symbiosis, coevolution, symmetry, order, interactions, interdependencies, > systemic effects, even complexity and dynamical attractors. In this paper it > is proposed that the term "synergy" be utilized as a pan-disciplinary lingua > franca for co-operative effects of various kinds. A number of reasons are > advanced for why this could contribute to the developement of a better > interated scientific enterprise, a long standing objective of the systems > sciences. > > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:30:10 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Precast Concrete In-Reply-To: ; from "Jack Lazariuk" at Apr 29, 96 5:21 pm Jack Lazariuk writes: > In article <318127B6.7442@freenet.vcu.edu>, Marc Visconte > wrote: > > Jack Lazariuk wrote: > > > (As an aside- I spoke once with someone who was involved > > > with building his DEW-Line domes and he made the comment > > > that these domes became positively frightening when they > > > were getting near the point of putting the final pieces > > > in place. His description was similar to putting an > > > explosion back in it's box.) > > Pretty interesting statement. Is there any other info, elaboration, DEW-Line domes refs: _Geodesics_ by Popko, figures 33-42. (Out of print--use interlib loan) _The Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller_ by Marks & RBF, figs 406-15. (oop) _Buckminster Fuller: At Home in the Universe_ by Hatch, pages 204-6. (oop) _Buckminster Fuller_ by Pawley, page 137. (In print) _The Mind's Eye of Buckminster Fuller_ by Robertson, pages 46-7 (oop) _Buckminster Fuller's Universe_ by Sieden, pages 328-31. (In print) _Critical Path_ by RBF, page 136 (In print) -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:32:19 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Ferro cement bitmap (fwd) Venter, Dawie writes: > From i1.iplan.co.za!dawie Tue Apr 30 03:30:27 1996 > From: "Venter, Dawie" > Organization: Denel Informatics, Cape Reg Office > To: joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:16:19 GMT+0200 > Subject: Ferro cement bitmap > X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Venter, Dawie" > X-Pmrqc: 1 > Priority: normal > X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > Message-Id: > > Hi Joe, > > Attached is a bitmap picture of the ferrocement domes being built > in South-Africa. The top picture shows a cluster of domes, linked by > brick archways used as a holiday cottage at a coastal resort close to > Cape Town. The stucture has just been completed when the pictures > were taken, and some of the exterior finishing (paving, screening > walls etc.) not completed yet. To the right is a garage dome, in the > centre a kitchen /lounge area and to the left the dome containing 3 > bedrooms and two bathrooms. The interior is big and feels roomy > due to the vault effect of the dome. My guess is that the dome house > (excluding the garage) covers about hundred and fourty square meters > of floor space. (The contracter charges about US$ 15.77 per ft^2 for > the building, including standard finishing, based on an exchange > rate of ZAR 4.30 = US$ 1.00). > > The second picture shows the same structure from a different angle. > I must say that the building actually looks better "in reality" than > on the photos. > > The bottom picture shows the dome during construction. The blue > shape is the inflated balloon, covered by a first layer of chicken > mesh and plaster (cement and sand mix). The balloon is made of the > same material used in the manufacture of inflatable boats, and > inflated by means of a compressor left running for the duration of > the cure of the structure. Once this has set, a second > layer of square mesh and cement is applied with the cement smoothed > to the final finish required. To the right of the picture a frame is > just visible. This is a special scaffold frame built over the dome which > supports the workers during construction. > > I have other bitmaps showing more construction details of the > balloon dome as well as me constructing a ferrocement geodesic dome, > using steel mesh space-frame construction panels in 1983. Please > advise if you are interested and managed to extract the bitmap > attached. > > Regards > Dawie Venter > > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:33:41 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: syn-l: Addition to Web Site (fwd) Mark Burginger writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Tue Apr 30 06:09:12 1996 > Message-Id: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 06:14:20 -0700 > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > From: Mark Burginger > Subject: syn-l: Addition to Web Site > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > I have recently added a small 69K movie to my site which > displays a polyhedral animation. > > http://www.electriciti.com/balloon/modular.html > > then follow link. -- Mark(I've learned how to flatten) Burginger > > > Mark Burginger - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > "How much is 5q plus 5q?" > "10q." > "You're very welcome!" - Milton Berle > > Email: balloon@electriciti.com > US: (San Diego) > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:22:39 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: darryl parker Subject: Re: Thin reinforced concrete structures Dear Bucky fans: I thought you all might be interested the following note I received today from Dante Bani, the Architect I told you about yeasterday: >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 22:57:23 -0700 >To: darryl parker >From: bini@A.crl.com (Dante N. Bini) >Subject: Re: Thin reinforced concrete structures > >Dear Mr. Parker: >Thank you for your interest in my patented construction systems. >If you provide me with more detailed informations about the applications >you have in mind, for a nominal fee of $.300 I will be happy to send to >your address some preliminary data about "Minishell" (applicable to low >cost shelters for housing) and Binishells or "Binix" (applicable to larger >multi-purpose centers, gimnasium and churhes). If your interest is >confirmed in some detail I will be happy to send to your local architect >preliminary conceptual professional designs and a local licensed contractor >may be able to provide you with the basic quotations you need. >Sincerely, > >Dr. Dante N Bini Architect > >Dante N. Bini *** http://www.webville.com/oak/bini > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:30:42 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Precast Concrete (Bini-Shell Domes) Darryl Parker said: >The web site which won the Most Fascinating award from me today was by an >architect named "Bini" (on the above-mentioned web page). This man from >Italy invented and patented a method of constructing reinforced concrete >shell structures, ranging from 12 to 40 meters in diameter, in less than >two hours! He does it without the use of either precast concrete or >shotcrete. >And he claims that there are over 1500 such building in use in 23 >countries. Bini is a person with a very good track record. To my knowledge, only two of his domes (and 1500 is an accurate total) have ever had "problems". In both cases, the problem was with the weather at the time of drying the concrete. If a weather "front" moves in after one has inflated the "bag", the change in barometric pressure can cause the bag to change size. This can cause the concrete to "bulge" or "sag", which is a problem for any monolithic thin-shell dome. Other than those two cases, all of his domes have stood the test of time. I presume that Bini now instructs contractors to check the weather VERY CAREFULLY before starting to mix concrete... Neither The "Road Of Life" nor The "Information Superhighway" Have Rest Stops. Why? james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:39:39 -0400 Reply-To: OREGDOME Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: OREGDOME Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Dome Owners In my experience, the bankers are primarily concerned with the potential resale of the domes. They generally do not seem to value the superiority of the dome concept in preparing their loans. The loan process is more difficult for owner-built projects. However, once we get the chance to speak directly to the bank and let them know that we have a long history of helping people with these projects, we are usually OK. If financing falls apart at this point, it is generally due to other reasons. The idea for the database is simply to speed the lending process along. The bankers will require comps, so having the list of comps handy and easily produced will allow us to work closer with the banks and convince a few more people that domes really are a superior and bankable building concept. Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. Web: http://www.domes.com E-mail: oregon@domes.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:32:12 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: darryl parker Subject: Thin Shell Reinforced Concrete Domes Thought some of you might like to read this document. It will also be archived in my Thin Shell web page soon: >From: "Techno Library" >Subject: Requested file 1 of 2 >To: goldnoil@texhoma.net >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:10:23 -0600 > >Attached is the file that you requested. > >><<<<<< Attached TEXT file named "Building Survivability" follows >>>>>> >Building Survivability of Thin-Shell, Reinforced Concrete Domes > >Thin-shell, reinforced concrete domes are probably the most disaster resistant >buildings that can be built without going underground or into a mountain. > >It is predicted that a wind of seventy miles per hour blowing against a thirty >foot tall flat walled building in open flat terrain will exert a pressure of >21.97 pounds per square foot (see notes). If the wind speed is increased to >300 mph the pressure is increased to 404 pounds per square foot. Wind speed of >300 mph is considered maximum for a tornado. It is far greater than that of a >hurricane. > >Against that much pressure a dome 100 feet in diameter 35 feet tall would >still have a safety margin of nearly 1 + times its minimum design strength. >In other words, the stress created by the 300 mph wind would increase the >compressive pressure in the concrete shell to a 1098 psi. The shell is >allowed 2394 psi using design strengths of 4000 psi. > >The fact is, the thin-shell, concrete dome is not flat; therefore, the maximum >air pressure against the dome of 404 pounds per square foot could not be >realized. The strength of the dome is much greater than 4000psi. The margin >of safety is probably more like 3 or 4. > >The thin-shell dome at Port Arthur, Texas, has been hit by three hurricanes. >A hurricane does not exert enough pressure on a dome to even be noticed. As >shown above, the dome can easily withstand the stresses of a tornado; >however, debris carried by a tornado could cut the surface membrane. If the >debris contained a large timber or metal object, it might be possible, if >conditions were just right, to puncture the dome. But the puncture would be >very local and would certainly never cause a serious collapse of the dome. >Possible damage to the doors or windows may occur if there was a rapid >decompression caused by the tornado. > >For most domes, the likely disaster will be earthquakes. The worst areas in >the United States are listed as seismic zone 4. From analysis (see note 2), >it is easy to see that earthquake forces do not even approach the design >strength the thin-shell, reinforced concrete dome which is built for every >day usage. It would take an external force many times greater than an >earthquake to approach the design strength of the concrete itself. > >Nuclear fallout is another disaster consideration. It is interesting to note >that the only structure left standing near ground zero at Hiroshima was the >concrete skeleton of a dome. Certainly, the thin-shell dome would be superior >to most buildings if a nuclear fallout condition occurred. Rain would tend to >wash the radiation off the building much better than conventional buildings. >Generally, domes are quite tall. Radiation strengths are inversely >proportional to the square of the distance from the source. The roof of the >dome would hold the radiation further from the occupants than many other >structures. Also, concrete itself absorbs radiation very well. The concrete >dome would greatly reduce the effects of fallout on the occupants. > > >It is interesting to note that German thin shell structures stood up to allied >Bombing in the second > >world war better than most other structures. When a bomb would hit a thin >shell, it would either bounce off the resilient exterior or would puncture a >hold through it. Since there are no single components that carry large loads, >there is nothing that can be knocked down like a beam or column. Therefore, >repair was a simple patch to cover the hole that was made when the bomb would >go through. > >Note 1: > >CONCRETE DOME SEISMIC ANALYSIS by Dr. Arnold Wilson > > >Example : Dome diameter =110' Height of dome = 37' Concrete thickness = 3" @ >top and 8" @ bottom > >PZ = PCos Sin 0 P0 = P = 0 > >Membrane Forces > >N0 = -APK21 Cos N0 = -APK2 Sin N =-APK3 Cos > >Seismic Force (UBC 1985 Edition) V = ZSICKW Zone 4, Z = 1.0 CS = .14; I = 1.5 >(Hospital) K= 2.0 (unusual building such as Dome-very conservative) > > > >Therefore: V=1.0 (1.5) (.14) (2.0) W= .420W. V= .420 (100) = 42.0 lbs/square >foot. (One square foot of shell 8" thick wieghs 100 lbs). The value of p = V = >42.0 lbs/sq. ft. Note: V= .14W for normal shear wall building. > >For demonstration purposes assume p= 60 psf. This represents earthquake >forces in excess of the most severe code requirement by a factor of 1.4. > > > > >Maximum stress due to N0 is -64.8 psi; N is -70.6 psi. Maximum bending moment >is 909.3 lbs-ft/ft. > >For a vertical live load of 40 psf in addition to the dead load of the shell, >the following stresses and moment are obtained. Maximum stress due to N= >-82.5 psi; N = -70.7 psi or +146.5 psi. The maximum bending moment is 1588.0 >lbs-ft/ft. > >The maximum compressive force in the concrete is fc = 1.33 (.45)(4000psi) >=-2394 psi. This is many times greater than the -70.6 psi needed. > >CONCLUSION > >The forces caused by a major earthquake are considerably less than normally >provided for when a dome is designed for nominal vertical loads. > >Note 2: > >CONCRETE DOME WIND ANALYSIS by Dr. Arnold Wilson > >EXAMPLE 1: > >Commercial building 30 feet high in exposure C (most severe exposure in open >flat terrain). Using design wind pressure from UBC 1985 edition, section >2311.d of 70 MPH: P=CeCqQsI; I=1.3 (building height 30ft.- exposure C); Cq = >1.3 (method 2). Therefore P=1.3(1.3)(13psf)(1.0) =21.97 lbs. per sq. ft. > >EXAMPLE 2: > >Assume same building and same exposure but with wind speed of 300 MPH. > >P = CsCaCgPVn2 (H/N)2/ Reference: Finte, Mark, Handbook of Concrete > Engineering, Nan Nostrand Reinhold, 1974. > >Assume everything is constant except the wind speed. P=CVn2=22psf for V= 70 >MPH (example 1). Therefore C=22/702=.00449; Then P=.00449Vn2 for V=300MPH; >P=404 lbs per sq. ft. > >The maximum concrete stress in dome 100 feet in diameter by 35 feet high with >P=400 psf is 1098 psi. From Note 1 we see that allowable stress is >significantly higher at 2394 psi. > >The forces caused by wind and earthquake on a concrete dome generally do not >control the design. Domes are very strong and durable and in a realistic >situation would probably still be standing when all conventional structures >had failed. > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:55:49 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marc Visconte Organization: Dis-Roganized, All Hail Eris! Subject: Re: Precast Concrete Was just checking out Nick Pine's thin shell pizza (er, no) Thin shell Concrete dome page: http://www.indra.com/jade-mtn/passivedome*.html for anybody who didn't get the address (I haven't been able to follow all of the posts, so I don't know if it's been mentioned or not). -Marc. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:21:34 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: De Bono's thinking Course notes Here are some of my notes from de Bono's Thinking Course De Bono's Thinking Course by Edward de Bono 1982. In conjunction with BBC TV series. -Thinking is a skill. -Thinking calmly allows one to focus at each stage. -Exploration is important. Hope may be more appropriate than belief. There are many intelligence traps: - Easy to construct rational & well-argued case for any point of view, rather than thinking. - Verbal fluency is oft mistaken for thinking & easily substitutes itself for it. - Ego can come from high intelligence. This creates need to always be right, clever, and orthodox. - Agreeing makes you seem a yes man. Proving someone wrong makes you feel good. You depend on other's evaluations. -High intelligent people prefer quick reactive thinking rather than projective thinking which is expansive and speculatory. - Intelligent people may theorize before all facts and not reach as clear a solution. - Highly intelligent people place cleverness higher than wisdom. AN EFFECTIVE THINKER is someone who: - is confident in his thinking. - Enjoys thinking even when it is not particularly successful. - Confident and decisive but also humble. Realizes many ways to skin cat. - treats thinking as skill to practice and observe. -treats arrogance as a major sin of thinking. -Thinking slowly means we can focus more clearly at each stage. PMI: Plus, Minus, Interesting. One of the biggest faults of thinking is to use it to back up a preformed opinion. -An attention directing tool is the P.M.I.: Plus Points, Minus Points, Interesting Points. Use this to explore a topic. It becomes intelligence test to find alot of points. (Quotas) -Scan. Do not assign values. Do not judge. The I collects neither good nor bad points. It also encourages the deliberate habit of exploring a mater outside of the judgement framework to see what is interesting about the idea or what it leads to. "It would be Interesting to see if ..." encourages one to expand the idea rather than treat it as static. - Another aspect of "I" is to see if it leads to another idea (Lateral Thinking) - The "I" trains mind to react to the interest inherent in an idea and not just to judgement feelings about the idea. -The PMI should be used especially when we have no doubt about the situation. It forces us to scan where normally we wouldn't. - Once perception is directed in a certain direction it cannot help but see and once something is seen it cannot be unseen. The key is practice. APC: Alternatives, Possibilities, Choices The real difficulty is not finding alternatives. It is setting out to find them. -Contentment is biggest block to searching for alternatives. -Proof may be no more than lack of imagination. -Existing hypothesis determine our perceptions and the sort of evidence we look for; we must generate alternatives without rejecting. -APC is a deliberate way to generate Alternatives. -Explanations refer to single happening; hypothesis to a process or trend. -APCs done at various points:a) defining problem and alternate definitions of problem. b) Reviews: something going good can still be improved. c) Designs- using different approaches and design styles. d) Decisions/Courses of Action. -Too often a proposed alternative is only one within the same basic approach. -We should keep looking for alternatives even if this works and shouldn't be afraid of other hassles. -Need for practical cut-offs and freezing of designs. PERCEPTION AND PATTERNS -Perception is the way we look at things. Processing is what we do with it. - The process of grouping makes life much easier but can stop processing. -it is a useful habit to stand back and try to pick up patterns in use in certain situations. -Excellence in processing does not make up for inadequacies of perception. LATERAL THINKING -Working within existing patterns will not lead to new patterns. To change we need humour, mistakes, or accidents. -Humour involves the escape from one pattern and the switching to another. -PO is provocative. Methods are:1) Reversal (totally opposite), 2) Exaggeration, 3) Distortion, 4) Wishful thinking, 5) The outrageous, 6) Escaping. -We use PO as a movement, stepping stone, idiom, rather than a judgement one. We obtain it by a) Extracting the principle of the idea, b) by following the moment to moment consequences, c) by focusing on the difference from the usual., d) by pointing out the positive aspects. -Try escaping by dropping a particular feature or altering it or finding an alternate way to the same end. -Random Stimulation: random use of an object, or word, or peron, or magazine, or exhibition. -Use random word from the dictionary and see how it enlightens your situation. USE: In "Stepping stone" we value movement rather than judgement. - In "Escape" we take things we take for granted and examine them. -In "Random Stimulation" we look at influences other than those we directly look for. INFORMATION AND THINKING 1. We need both info and thinking. In connection with infor there are two uses for our thinking: At info; a)getting info, obtaining max from it, checking it. : Using it: b) to decide, action, choose, plan, design, or pleasure. 2. Education is about sorting, reviewing, describing and absorbing existing knowledge. -Operacy requires thinking about priorities, the consequences, and other people and application of experience and info. 3. We tend to think Point to Point. By using Experience Scan we can think about things in longer term and less ego-centric ways. 2 tools: CAF and C&S. 4. CAF: CONSIDER ALL FACTORS. -Don't evaluate. -If item should get individual attention list it separately. -Should direct attention to all considerations. -Emphasis on "What's been left out?" and "What's to consider as well?" 5. C&S: CONSEQUENCES AND SEQUEL (Spans) -Deliberate thinking of consequences of decision. 4 time spans which can be varied: -a) Immediate Consequences: up to one year. -b) Short Term: 1-5 years. -c) Medium Term: 5-20 years. -d) Long Term: Over 20 years. -These are part of a general broadening of perception that has more about wisdom than cleverness. 6. It is important to be a good, dense reader and listener. This involves understanding what is being said and reading between the lines. Practice. 7. We must use LOGIC to get info from what info we have. 8. We must get outside of info 3 ways"a) Use of Info sources. b) Questions. c) Experiments. a) Knowing where and how to look is incredibly important. Know where you want to end up and exploring ways to get there. b) QUESTIONS i) Shooting Questions: We know what we are aiming for. Yes/No. ii) Fishing Questions: Dangle bait and wait to see what we catch. c) EXPERIMENTS: Are usually Fishing Questions. Will they work or not? -What is the most info that can be gained. - Negative info can be more important because it excludes alot [MU] 9. Selecting Info that you need is an important skill. Sometimes you have too much, usually not enough. 10. FI-FO (INFO IN-INFO OUT) -Deliberate survey of what is available (IN), inferences etc. and what is Required (OUT). Spell out gaps. Be aware of both equally. OTHER PEOPLE: Exlectics, EBS, ADI, Logic Bubbles, OPV 1. West uses "clash" system to change-especially politicians. Negative criticism is easy. Attack what is wrong rather than what's right. 2. "Exlectics" tries to find out what is good, whichever side. Joint exploration and joint listening. Later, ideas emerge. Methods include: 3. EBS: Examine Both Sides. For exploratory purposes. Be neutral and objective. Opinions after. 4. Leads to ADI: Agreement, Disagreement, & Irrelevance. 2 maps are compared and ADIs are listed. Isolate disagreements to further examine them. 5. Logic-Bubbles: Include perception of circumstance, structure, context & relationships. Useful to map out Logic Bubbles for all parties involved. Good for motivation and change. 6. OPV (Other People's Views) Put yourself in their shoes. 1st part identify who is in situation, 2nd part get in their shoes. 7. Second part of Exlectics is to do a "Constructive Design Question" of what is learned and can be done. 8. Constructive Design Questions: What are ingredients? What is to be achieved? What are the Priorities? What are the Values? Channels of Action? Constraints? Design Processes must go through many changes to finally work. 9. People have variable values for things. What is valuable to me is not to you. Judge these in order to have constructive negotiations. 10. Useful communications must be in the language of the Receiver and their attitudes and ideas. EMOTIONS AND VALUES 1. All thinking is emotional but Emotions should come in after examination, not before and not as a substitute for thinking. 2. Thinking can alter feelings so be aware of manipulation. 3. Values are the link between events and our basic emotions. There are basically 4 Ms: a) Me-values: ego, status, pleasure, etc. b) Mates-values: being accepted by a group, not letting group down, etc. c) Moral-values: religious, social custom, general values of culture. d) Mankind-values: (Relatively new) ecology, human rights, concern for whole earth. 4. Useful attention directing device to divide High & Low values. HV are those that determine action, generally and LV art the ones that have to be taken into account. 5. Our society's thinking uses alot of value-laden words to prove points, to appeal to emotions, rather than actual thought; Manipulation. 6. The examination of values is an awareness exercise. A matter of becoming aware of the values inherent in a situation, the conflict of values, the values that are perceived by the people involved, & the source of these values. MAKING DECISIONS 1. DECISION PRE-FRAME: Context, Needs, Time Scale, Type. 2. You must make conscious effort to generate alternatives so you can decide. 3.When a decision is difficult it is always worthwhile to go back and generate further alternatives. 4. Values and priorities can be set out in advance and are important. 5. 10 Decision making methods: a) Roll the Dice. b) Easiest way out (Justify) c) Justify Reasons/Spell it out. d) Knock other options. e) Ideal Solution: establish alternatives first, then propose an ideal solution and compare alternatives to ideal. Alternatives should be objective. f) Best Home:What would be best place for that alternative. g) What if...it isn't?-List bad potential scenarios. h) Simple graphing: List attributes and compare. i) Full graphing: have before/during/after attributes. j) Fear/Greed/Laziness-How each of these affect decision. 6) DECISION POST-FRAME a) Is it "you"? b) What about others? c) Consequences (C&S) Immediate/Short term/Medium Term/Long Term. d)Implementation Feasibility. e) Fall back position. 7. THE CLEARER THE PICTURE, THE MORE SUITABLE THE DECISION. THINKING AND DOING 1. Designed Courses of Action. 2. Operacy: abilities and skills required for doings. 3. 3 Ways of Doing things: a) Set up channels. b) Goal Directed Objectives. c) Wherever it goes...is where to be. 4. Do an "AGO" Aims, Goals, Objectives. Sub-objectives. Action Directing Tools. 5. Targets: Must adjust or change target to make it accessible. 6. Strategies & Tactics. What approach to take generally and specifically. Guidelines or broad strategy, Philosophy. 7. Courses of Action. Try Working Backwards from end results. 8. If-Box Maps: Divide route into A)Action Channels-where you control your destiny and "IF" BOXES-something up to someone else. Something you cannot control. 9. PLANS: Planning for flexibility and uncertainty is important. To be aware you should be sure your plan should have: a) CHANGE POINTS: to assess situation. b) MONITORING POINTS: from time to time c) ACHIEVEMENT STAGES: to check progress d) CUT-OFF POINTS: so you can carry on. -These are built into the plan, not just ways of treating it. 10. Elements to Consider within a plan: a) Situation terrain. b) People c) Risks d) Constraints. e) Resources f) Future DELIBERATE THINKING 1. Thinking should be deliberate, focused, confident & enjoyable. 2.FOCUSED: 1st step is to set out to do it, 2nd is to do it. General Questions or Specific Questions 3. CONFIDENCE: Not arrogance. It is a skill where you learn from mistakes. 4.ENJOYABLE: Exploration, hobby thought, no pressure. 5. SELF-IMAGE: I AM A THINKER. 6. TIME & DISCIPLINE: is important. Leads to dense thinking. 7. HARVESTING: Force yourself to harvest a topic, to discover what you can find in, say 30 seconds. 8. You can either think about the subject, or think about the thinking- sticking points, ideas, etc. 9. 5 minute think: TEC. a) TARGET & TASK: Subject/Task-what, review, C&S, AGO, Define them precisely. (1 minute.) b) EXPAND & EXPLORE: Opening up, CAF, Po, Experiencescan, Write all you know about. (2 minutes) c) CONTRACT & CONCLUDE: Specific answers, ideas. Full Harvesting, Objective look at thinking. (2 minutes) 10. Fuller Version (PISCO): a) Purpose: Like TARGET & TASK, but more emphasis on WHY. b) Input: Like EXPAND & EXPLORE. c) Solutions: Like CONTRACT & CONCLUDE. List alot. d) Choice: Evaluate, Decisionmaking. e) Operation: Implementation SUMMARY Formal and Deliberate methods are important at first. Newthink requires new words: Lateral thinking, Po, Movement value, Exlectics, Logic-bubble, operacy, Intelligence trap, Everest effect, Village-venus effect, Shooting & Fishing Questions, Dense Thinking, Decision Pre-Frame & Post-Frame, PMI, CAF, C&S, AGO, OPV, HV, LV. If you have seen young people given permission to think then you have seen a vision. There are notes in setting up a THINKING CLUB, but this will be dealt with in a separate FAQ. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:09:13 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Ferro cement bitmap (fwd) In-Reply-To: <9604300832.aa16189@bbs.cruzio.com>; from "Joe Moore" at Apr 30, 96 8:32 am Dawie, The bit maps didn't seem to get through--just the text. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:24:22 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: information request (fwd) John McLeod writes: > From gw.numenet.com!numenet.com!owner-mission-earth Tue Apr 30 16:10:13 1996 > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:03:23 -0700 (PDT) > From: John McLeod > To: M-E listserv > Subject: information request > Message-Id: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-mission-earth@scs.org > Precedence: bulk > X-Comment: Discussion forum on simulation to aid in world planning and survival > > > If any of your M.E. list subscribers are from > international non-governmental organizations such as The > World Bank, The Asian Development Bank, UNEP, and so forth, > I have a general question to pose to them, or to anyone who > wishes to discuss the matter: > > From the "inside" of the organizations, what do > international non-governmental organizations that are > focused on sustainability and helping developing countries > WANT TO KNOW about the use of computerized global and > regional models of integrated energy-economics- > environment-social-political systems? > > Who has what questions they need answered? > > Ron Kickert > rn_kickert@ccmail.pnl.gov > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.