From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 12 18:50:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from acsu.buffalo.edu (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.57]) by linux00.LinuxForce.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with SMTP id g8CMo8L2011105 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:50:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200209122250.g8CMo8L2011105@linux00.LinuxForce.net> Received: (qmail 10054 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 22:25:57 -0000 Received: from listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 22:25:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:25:57 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Buffalo (1.8d)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9607" To: Chris Fearnley Status: RO Content-Length: 321881 Lines: 7750 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 05:39:40 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Filip De Vos Organization: University of Ghent, Belgium Subject: Re: Brainstorming on BuckyWorks James Fischer (jfischer@SUPERCOLLIDER.COM) wrote: : >How can using non-local materials be a problem? : If the subject is a housing "solution", one must think : of the transport costs associated with a design that : requires high-tech components like machined steel, : seals between layers of plastic, and argon gas. If we Huh? How are machined steel or plastic seals hi-tech? As for the Argon gas, it may not be neccesary. : built one of these domes in a 3rd-world nation, how : would the local residents/occupants repair and maintain : the structure? Would "spare parts" be affordable? : >What exactly is a _local material and in what way is it superior to a : >non-local one? : Not very long ago, a typical joe could build an : acceptable house from materials no more than 1/2 ... but not any more. The US has lost 90% of its forest cover in a century or so. As for the 'acceptable' part, that is not thrue any more, either. This is exactly the reason a world dwelling service is neccesary. : mile or so from the building site. The small-scale : sawmill made the process more efficient, and made : the result better-quality. By using local materials, : costs were reduced, and repair was easy. : Anyone in the US who has owned a British (Jag), : German (BMW), or Swedish (Volvo) car can tell you : about the higher costs, delays, and confusion inherent : in being forced to depend upon high-tech components : that are not made on the same side of the planet as : the consumer. There are several mailing lists on : the net with the sole purpose of being a planet-wide : flea market for hard-to-find auto parts, and at least : the MG/Jaguar list is VERY active. Exept for the MG/Jaguar, which probably is for older (not in production) cars, this sounds more like an organisation problem than a show stopper. Several companies are establishing parts ware houses at or near Federal Express' headquarters in Memphis for exactly this reason. : >Bucky thought that a house made of highly standardised components, : >mass-fabricated in a specialised factory was superior to the current : >practise of building. : And this pitch was a neat way to attract the : attention (and funding dollars) of a post-war : government, "stuck" with a massive industry : built up to make weapons for the war, but : facing layoffs due to the sudden lack of need : to build so many planes, tanks, ships, whatever. : If the concept had made sense, at least one factory : owner would have started manufacturing the parts for : homes, rather than loose his shirt and walk away from : his factory. What was the biggest problem that Pretty soon after the war, the Cold War started and saved the industry. : prevented Bucky's idealistic view from being implemented? : The cost of transporting materials made the resulting : house more expensive than other designs, which used : more local, less high-tech materials. Nonsense. If mass-produsing had started, the price of the house would be about the same as a car, transport costs included. The single biggest impediments to adoption of factory-build, standardised homes were institutional, like building codes and inter-union squables like electricians wanting to rip out wiring emplaced by aerospace workers and then replacing it. The cost of transportation was trivial: the Dymaxian home (_not a dome) fitted in an airtransportable container and weighted 3 tons Contrast this with the typical homes 150 tons and you can have the house's factory quite a bit away from the home before it becomes uncompetitive. : I guess if there had been massive consumer demand for : the design, the logistical problems could have been : solved, since an infrastructure could have been justified. Well, there was massive consumer demand for new homes, but it was solved by the traditional building industry, aided by State support like subsidised loans. : >: requires insane amounts of engineering, and makes : >Mostly allready done. Certainly DuPont does not consider the : >engineering neccessary to produce Tefzel insane. : I was not talking about DuPont. Lets imagine that : you had an infinite number of rolls of Tefzel, an : infinite amount of pipe, and wanted to build or : repair a Baldwin structure without help from : outside your own local community: Why impose this constraint? Do you have to know personally everybody neccesary to build a traditional house? Or supply their tools yourself? [snip] : Contrast this with a house made of local materials: : 1) Even if civilization itself falls, Aw, come on. You are not a 'survivalist', are you? : it is possible to "reinvent" methods : of cutting wood, making nails (or using : joinery to reduce nail applications), and : thus building and repairing houses. : 2) Local people can gain skill in the use : and manipulation of these local materials. : In SE Asia, one can see very high scaffolds : used by construction workers. While the : building might be steel, concrete, and glass, : the scaffolds are BAMBOO!! This is an argument for domes, not against. According to Baldwin, local Inuit workers could assemble a dome for the DEW line in fourteen hours, but unionised workers in Washington, D.C. took a month. So putting specialised knowledge in a factory, and easily acquired knowledge out of the way of rigid minds is the way to go. : >: the occupant dependent upon a high-tech support/supply : >: infrastructure, just to keep this roof of dubious : >: value over his head. : >I fail to see why a finished pillowdome has to be dependent on a high : >tech support/supply infrastructure. The dome requires no maintenance. : Buy a vowel! Everything requires maintenance. The plastic : pillows alone are a potential maintenance nightmare: : 1) Plastic degrades when exposed to sun, Tefzel does not degrade. It is proved to last thirty yeas in a tropical climate. Actual life unknown. Therefore, no maintenance. : cold, heat, and acid rain. Talk to : anyone who owns a plastic-covered : greenhouse. Irrelevant : 2) Even a small failure in the plastic : would cause the argon to escape, and : leave a loose "pillow", flapping in : the wind. Loose plastic on greenhouses : can be reduced to shreds by even a : minor breeze in less than a day! Agreed. : 3) Hail storms, the weight of a snowfall, : high winds, and even the tiny claws of : little birds present problems that could Hail, even birds bounce off the pillows, and snow quickly slides off. Please do not apply your experience with inadequate 'plastics' to this new material. It and the idea of keeping the pillows under pressure are sufficient to overcome all these objections/drawbacks. : destroy significant percentages of the : total number of "pillows" in a short : time. : >Argon can be bought from an industrial gasses firm. : And where are they? What does it cost to ship a They are everywhere there is a need for industrial gasses. : cylinder a few thousand miles? Can one ship a Probably less than all the bricks in a house a couple of hundred kilometers. : pressurized cylinder by other than surface or Why is air transport neccesary? Building materials do not generally travel by air, exept in rare circumstances like war or to inaccesible regions like the arctic or the inlands of Irian Yaja. Even then, proper care and attention it will be quite possible. : boat after the Valu-Jet disaster? Can one get : such pressurized cylinders though customs? Personal air cylinder adventures snipped as irrelevant. If an industry of Ar-inflated pillowdomes develops, and a need for air-transporting Ar-cylinders develops, then the FAA and the airlines will impose safety standards and require Ar-vessels to withstand outside low pressure when fully pressurised, or even vacuum. The need for inflation with Ar is not demonstrated. If CO2 is good enough, then no air transportation of Ar filled cylinders will materialise. : Granted, Baldwin has some neat ideas, but Like Bucky, you mean :-) : paper solutions make for paper heroes. : We have too many paper heroes now, and don't need more. : I'd ramble on more about the pillowdome, but it is : Saturday, and I must grab my nail gun and go work on ^^^^^^^^ First you complain to me about how building a pillow dome needs specialised materials, then you use a hi-tech tool to build a dome yourself! : a REAL home, being built by REAL people, using mostly : local materials. In the summer, Saturday is : "Habitat For Humanity day". I still do not agree about the 'local' part. The point is that a pillow dome has very little structural mass. Therefore, transportation costs are trivial, compared with traditional structures and building materials. : I hope to drive at least one nail for each character : in this message. (10,458) Happy dome building! Now, could you please keep an open mind for new ideas like pillowdomes? -- Filip De Vos Better, Faster, Cheaper means *NO SHUTTLE* FilipPC.DeVos@rug.ac.be -Cathy Mancus- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:21:40 GMT+0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Venter, Dawie" Organization: Denel Informatics, Cape Reg Office Subject: Re: Brainstorming on BuckyWorks Hi Filip I simply adore your comments to James Fisher about brainstorming on BuckyWorks, especially the closing :-) > Happy dome building! Now, could you please keep an open mind for new > ideas like pillowdomes? Actually in my reply to Kirby Urner's original posting who started the brainstorming thread, I was'nt aware of a "pillowdome" type design, nor was I referring to an inflatable form type structure. I was under the impression that Kirby referred to a "yet-to-be-defined" type of structure, possibly a dome maybe even something else. After all, this is supposed to be the whole idea of brainstorming, it is to invent new and better solutions. Also one of the rules of brainstorming is not to challenge any contributions, but to expand on it and grow it into a new and even better ideas. (Green hat thinking -De Bono). Kirby Urner wrote: >>"the question becomes one of how to move these artifacts from >>the drawing board or, in many cases from a realized prototype >>phase, to full implementation as plentifully supplied assets." Dawie Venter replied >>The only alternative that remains (and I'm purely brainstorming >>here), is that the "converted" do it for themselves. >>The problems to be solved by the "converted" is to establish >>(1) the standard for this optimum dwelling, James' reply to Dawie >Standard? Why must they all be the same? Once > one has the tooling to make the "pillows"...(snip). By standard, I was referring to design-to goals for the product e.g: Desired insulation properties, fire resistance, standardisation of components, re-cycle ability of materail, durability, ideal volume, maintainability, transportability, ease of construction, special tools requirements bla, bla, bla. Each of these categories will be assigned a relative priority (weight) against which the eventual design must comply. >(2) design the product, > Done. You have your choice of off-the shelf vendors > right now. Nope, not done yet, 'cause we aint set the standards yet. (rest cut for brevity) Maybe this a good starting point to continue the brainstorming thread, and that is to compile and prioritise a list of the most desired feartures your ideal dwelling should have and mail it to me. I propose to moderate the list and post the results to the NG. This should provide an interesting insight if indeed common features exist and what relative importance people assign to these. Any new design should at least display these characteristics before anybody will move into it. Regards Dawie Venter ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:07:46 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Brainstorming on BuckyWorks In-Reply-To: > to hide?!! :) ] describes prototype domes that are skeletons of steel or > aluminum tubing struts with the triangles covered by plastic "pillows". > The pillows were formed out of two heat-sealed layers of Tefzel (a > transparent Dupont plastic) and inflated to 0.5 psi with argon gas (chosen > for its thermal and fire-extinguishing properties an all-around > inertness). The pillows served as greenhouse windows with an insulating > dead air space (dead argon space? How do you kill an argon? How can you > tell, since it's already inert?) to help retain heat in the winter. Some > triangles were hinged so they could be opened to regulate temperature. synergetic dome, the 2 metals, 1 plastic, 1 gas > than each alone. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:41:25 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Brainstorming on BuckyWorks In-Reply-To: > > "answer", looking for a question... > > This is earth, circa 1996. Steel and aluminum tubing are neither > particularly high tech nor high tolerance. I can build my own domes out of > (low tech) steel EMT tubing that I buy at a hardware store and cut with a > hacksaw in my garage. I also use other materials, many of them discards > from existing industrial processes or demolition of existing buildings. > Each part of the world has these types of industrial flotsam and jetsam, > which I think count as local materials. > the average tonage recieved by a country is well above 200,000 tone, for the smallest importers of materials. italy for example recieves over 400 million tonnes a year of material. this information is not accurate, it was long ago since i studied this staff. but this can give a picture how bussy the 100s world ports. just to repeat what i have long time ago said, the total gulf war logistic millage of equipment and weaponary tranported was enough to e qual going around the glop 2,500 times.( refrence here is logistic of the gulf war, written by the head of logistic for the war, who was a dishwasher when he was young). so you can use some of the millage for solving word problem; that was what fuller had in mind. by the way sanfranciso port in 1960, just got this from system book by chrurchman, recieves 8 chips a day, i think the average ship is 8000 tonns. folks, we are lubricating the mind for different kinds of information, is it relvant, no clue. the navy prolifration of board in the second ww, was mostly managerial due to the intractable number of materials needed to conduct the war. to have mastered all the informatio of the second war, you would be an expert in world afair. during the same war the navey had more than 100 supplier, fuller talked about the president of united states having no power to mobilize in peacful time to solve the world problem in the same way that he had in war time. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:21:13 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bd81064@BINGHAMTON.EDU Subject: Re: RBF MASTER INDEX U-UZ Comments: To: Joe Moore In-Reply-To: <9606282107.aa22925@cruzio.com> Hi Joe! This index is astounding! I'm wondering why UTOPIA wasn't included in this section. Thanks for the hard work. Marcia Blackburn Art History Department Binghamton University Binghamton, NY 13905 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:08:21 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: STARNET INTL UPDATE Comments: cc: DOME HOME LIST STARNET INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION UPDATE, 7-96 (Formerly Dome East and later Space Structures) Starnet International Corporation 200 Hope Street Longwood, Florida 32750 USA Phone: 407-830-1199 Fax : 407-830-1817 Email: starnetint@aol.com Wendel R. Wendel, President Starnet has built domes all over the world. Ask them to send you their info packet which contains reprints of various articles and Mr.Wendel's Professional Profile. Also, Mr.Wendel has maintained an extensive file of dome manufacturers for many years. ----- >From THOMAS REGISTER "Supplier Finder": QUOTE: STARNET INTERNATIONAL CORP. Designers, Engineers, Fabricators & Assemblers Of Spaceframes, Arches & Dome Enclosures With Integrated Metal Decking, Membrane, Glass & Acrylic Cladding Options. UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:28:16 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: RBF MASTER INDEX U-UZ Comments: To: bd81064@binghamton.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "bd81064@binghamton.edu" at Jul 2, 96 12:21 pm bd81064@binghamton.edu writes: > This index is astounding! I'm wondering why UTOPIA wasn't included in > this section. Because 'Utopia or Oblivion' (and many other books by and about Bucky) doesn't have an index. If someone would create indexes for those other books, then their indexes could be integrated into the Master Index. Also, someday I would like to see all of Bucky's articles indexed and added to the Master Index. > Thanks for the hard work. > > Marcia Blackburn > Art History Department > Binghamton University > Binghamton, NY 13905 My pleasure. I've been dreaming about it for years. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:15:10 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: MILITARY OUTLAYS MILITARY SPENDING AS A PERCENT OF GDP, 1990-95 1990 1995 WORLD 3.6 2.4 USA 5.3 3.5 RUSSIA 8.4 3.1 See: "Fewer Guns, More Butter", Business Week, 7-1-96, page 22. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 20:18:04 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FERROCEMENT DOME DESIGNER Comments: cc: DOME HOME LIST FERROCEMENT DOME ARCHITECT/CONSULTANT Lloyd Turner Boulder Creek, CA 95006 Phone: 408-338-7757 Email: turner@telis.org See article "Life in a Bubble", San Jose Mercury News, 6-22-96, pages 1G-2G. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:49:20 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: MILITARY OUTLAYS Joe Moore wrote: > MILITARY SPENDING AS A PERCENT OF GDP, 1990-95... Without a doubt, one of our most gross national products. Very gross. Veni, Vidi, Video -- I came, I saw, I surfed on... james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:29:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: A'yin Da'ath Subject: Re: MILITARY OUTLAYS At 02:15 AM 7/3/96 +0000, you wrote: > MILITARY SPENDING ...is currently equivalent to 22 cents of the tax dollar, which means that it's 22% of government spending. Exactly, may I ask, what the hell is the pentagon doing with that kind of money, and why? X Nechesh - NChSh - Nun Cheth Shin - 358 - The Serpent of Initiation ayindaath@worldnet.att.net http://users.aol.com/ayindaath/ -=The Abyss of A'yin Da'ath=- Webmaster for http://users.aol.com/sophieweb/ -=The Sophie Marceau Shrine=- Scored a 46.4% on his Nerdity Test and an 84% on the Purity! Congradulate him! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:22:43 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: HEXADOME OF AMER UPDATE Comments: cc: DOME HOME LIST The "HEXADOME OF AMERICA UPDATE 7-96 Hexadome of America 47 Heritage Square P.O.Box 2351 La Mesa, CA 91943 USA Phone: ? Fax: ? Email: ? Eugene E. Hopster, President Hexadome has been building domes worldwide since 1970. Mr.Hopster has contributed many articles to DOME magazine. The "Dome Builder's Handbook #2' mentions Hexadome on pages 100-01. See the article "Build Your Own Dome" in the Spring 1990 issue of DOME magazine on pages 25 and 28. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:04:14 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Thank you Joe Moore! I want to thank Joe Moore publicly for putting together the Fuller Master Index. That shows outstanding dedication to Buckminster Fuller's ideals. Sincerely, Bill Paton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:15:11 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TEMCOR UPDATE Comments: cc: DOME HOME LIST TEMCOR UPDATE 7-96 Temcor Verified: Feb 1996 24724 S. Wilmington Ave. Pres ? Email: ? Carson, CA 90745 USA Tel: 310-549-4311 Fax: 310-549-4588 Sales Office: 79 W 12TH St. New York, NY 10011-8565 Tel: 212-629-9022 Fax: ? Large commercial and industrial aluminum clear span dome systems for arenas, gymnasiums, ice hockey rinks, tank covers, bulk storage facilities, etc. See 'Dome Builder's Handbook #2', page 109. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:06:51 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: MILITARY OUTLAYS In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960703102931.006c3940@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Wed, 3 Jul 1996, A'yin Da'ath > At 02:15 AM 7/3/96 +0000, you wrote: > > > MILITARY SPENDING > > ...is currently equivalent to 22 cents of the tax dollar, which means that > it's 22% of government spending. Exactly, may I ask, what the hell is the > pentagon doing with that kind of money, and why? > somtime ago, i red in this newgroup that the total military spending is 800 billion dollars for the whole world. totla gnp world wide is about 12 to 13 trillion dollars 1985. i have no refrence i just remember it. i know that japan gnp 1.5 trillion or so, U.S is 4 trillion in 1985. germany about 700 billion. no one know how much neo billion dollars, let alone 1 trillion. so getting a close number can help. F mentions that you can buy everything on the soli of U.S for 6 trillion dollars( utopia or oblivion) around 1970. if you have problem with numbers, just remember one everythime. or is it worthless to remember them, may be just to have them in a file somewhere is enough. tunisia 5 billion $ alos in 1985. libya oil sales around 7-8 billion. the oil 1995( intrenet page i think) is inexpensive this days, 18 dollars a barrel. i sight this numbers just for comparison. you can ask all sort of questions, but they will do no good. the only solution is get the wealth to high level and every one will relax, then they start to think about demilitarization. i think it is good idea to learn about how everythin is organized specially in the second ww. and how the arms contractors work with the establishment, also the international weapon dealings. a sort of a system point of view, the first to use systematic mangment is the military of U.S in the ww2, simplly becuase they found themselves dealing with enormous quantity of supplies. here is a clue to get general view about this things: a book about mobilization ww2, contrators and their relation with the goverment, nato, gun dealers world wide, bankers finace wall street connection, oil companies secrets. somthing like the above or more carful, will give a wide picture. the rest is politics. sorry if the above is not good enough. tagdi what is exactly is the military budget of U.S i know social security is about 350 billion dollars, but myself i dont understand social security, i think that this amount have relation to paying the retired. i thin from news week last year issue. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:41:17 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BOOKS WITH RBF CONTRIBS 40 BOOKS WITH CONTRIBUTIONS BY R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER Compiled by Joe S. Moore, July 3, 1996 N__A__M__E O__F B__O__O__K A_U_T_H_O_R YR T_Y_P_E PAGES Alcohol as Fuel Blume 86 Foreword ?? Approaching the Benign Environment Littleton 70 Chapter 15-110 Bali, Behind the Mask Daniel 81 Foreword ?? Barna Leikur Thorsteinn 77 Intro ?? Article 149-55 The Case for Early Reading Stevens/Orem 65 Article ?? Charas: The Improbable Dome Builders Mottel 73 Intro 12-4 Charles Fort--Prophet of the Unexplained Knight 70 Intro ?? Climate and Architecture Aronin 85 Intro ?? Confessions of a Trivialist Rosenberg 72 Intro ?? Design for the Real World Papanek 71 Intro ?? Designing for People Dreyfuss 55 Foreword ?? Dreamrunner Ballard 86 Intro ?? Expanded Cinema Youngblood 70 Intro 15-35 Article 37-9 The Futurists Toffler 72 Article ?? Generation of Narcissus Malcolm 71 Intro ?? Guide to Alternative Colleges, Universities Blaze et al 74 Foreword ?? Industrialization in the Building Industry Sullivan 80 Intro ?? Learning Tomorrow:Commentary on Future of Ed Wagschal 79 Chapter ?? Montessori and the Special Child Orem 69 Intro ?? My Harvard Lant 80 Chapter 1 Naga: Cultural Origins in Siam & W.Pacific Jumsai 88 Intro ?? Networking Book:People Connecting w/ People Lipnack 86 Foreword ?? New Learning Environment Cohen 71 Foreword ?? The New York Guidebook Kouwenhoven 64 Article ?? Non-Being,Somethingness:Selection from Comic Allen 78 Intro ?? Out of This World: American Space Photos Dickson 77 Foreword ?? Project Survival Playboy Eds 71 Article 221-38 A Question of Priorities Higbee 70 Intro ?? Rules of Thumb Parker 83 Article ?? Science & Technology in World of the Future Bronwell 70 Chapter7 149-64 A Sculptor's World Noguchi 68 Foreword ?? Structure in Art and in Science Kepes 65 Chapter 66-88 Symbol Source Book:Authoritative Guide to.. Dreyfuss 72 Intro 14-21 This or Else Dastur 74 Foreword ?? Three Mile Island: Turning Point Keisling 80 Intro ?? TM:Discovering Inner Energy,Overcoming Stres Bloomfield 75 Intro xiii-xxvi Uncommon Sense:Life,Thought of L.Bertalanffy Davidson 83 Foreword ?? University Portraits: Nine Paintings Plochman 79 Intro ?? What I Have Learned unknown ed 68 Chapter ?? Worlds Beyond: The Everlasting Frontier Geis/Florin 78 Article 2-4 Article 32-8 Article 275-80 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 02:00:01 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Re: MILITARY OUTLAYS I'm not sure, but I think that 22% doen NOT include the annual payment of the debt the Federal gov't has incurrent to finance past Pentagon budgets. When you include the payment on the Pentagon-related debt, I wouldn't be surprized if the percentage is much higher. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:10:58 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: A'yin Da'ath Subject: Re: MILITARY OUTLAYS At 06:00 AM 7/4/96 +0000, you wrote: >I'm not sure, but I think that 22% doen NOT include the annual payment of the >debt the Federal gov't has incurrent to finance past Pentagon budgets. >When you include the payment on the Pentagon-related debt, I wouldn't be >surprized if the percentage is much higher. > Payment of that debt is either 4% or 8%- I can't remember the exact figure. That's the national debt, so a bit of it is composed of failed civic services, Social Security and stuff, but most of it is sitting in nuclear stockpiles awaiting (supposedly) demolition. X Nechesh - NChSh - Nun Cheth Shin - 358 - The Serpent of Initiation ayindaath@worldnet.att.net http://users.aol.com/ayindaath/ -=The Abyss of A'yin Da'ath=- Webmaster for http://users.aol.com/sophieweb/ -=The Sophie Marceau Shrine=- Scored a 46.4% on his Nerdity Test and an 84% on the Purity! Congradulate him! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 21:24:46 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: index In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960703102931.006c3940@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> what is the use of index? i mean this in general, not only related to Joe more. is this stupid to ask? tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:35:37 -0400 Reply-To: WENNE1 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WENNE1 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Did Bucky learn from others? Seen the Bucky video being distributed by the BFI? It was interesting "meeting the man," even though I had read a few of his books years ago. However, upon viewing it I was sturck by the question, "Did Bucky learn anything from anyone else?" It seems that he just went out and discovered things by himself, no mentor, no collaboration. I'm not saying that is inherrently bad, but I just wonder how much greater his contribution would have been if he added LISTENING to his arsenal of talents! -KIM W. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 22:16:06 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: mobolization WW2 In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960703102931.006c3940@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> 1940 lack of material, facility for productionm lead to the navey reorganization with the navy taking responsibility of contracts, scheduling, production requirments. 1942 the navy afloat was divided into 3 fleets, with the atlantic fleet assuming more importance. most [potential problems faced by the navey: 1. distribution of contract 2. material inspection 3. material statistics, and program coordination 4. contract to small manufactures 3 large companies , Du pont, Bethlehem steel and G.M recieved very large % of the national dfense contracts, while majority 185,000 U.S manufatures recieved no prime contracts. the above lead to rapid gorwth of unused manu facilities. the Navy 's procurement items seemed to require special facilities to manufacture. contract service field offices were established in the main branch offices of the federal reserve system through out the country with the intention to use the banking system as a means of reaching smaller producers. they were to believed to be in the best position to estimate their comunity's industrial potential. each office was directed by industrialist with staff of engineers- to develop subcontracting and obtain additional prime contracts. to avoid the political problem of constituency, the system worked from main contractars to subcontractors(branching). with the emphsise on the nigbourhood of the prime contractor to subcontracters, a voiding transportation costs. 1941 3/4 of army and navy material contracts in terms of $ went to 56 companies, 6 of whom held 3 billion $ worth of contracts. the other 5 great corps were New York Shing, G.M, Gurtiss Wright, New port News shipbuilding, and Du Pont. there was need for a central office with accurate up to date statistical informtion, and the ability to speak for the navy as a whole. a job which the navy was unable to do as when asked to obtain immediately the names of manufacture plants holding essential navy contracts. personnel in the navy's inspection service grew from 4000 in 1941 to 71,000 tagdi p.s i have a problem wtih english, and also my ability in comprhension is not so good; i tried my best to summaries the ideas in this chapter; the book itself is quite mess, full of burue, office names , and other departmental burucratic staff. and dont ask me to improve my english and comprhension, because i think i cant; it is disfunctional( or is it neurotic). i hope it is informative. the title of the book: the navy and industrial mobilization in ww2 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:47:58 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Paul R. Kosuth" Subject: Re: index In-Reply-To: On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, tom aagdii wrote: > what is the use of index? > i mean this in general, not only related to Joe more. > is this stupid to ask? > > tagdi > No, I don't think that this is stupid to ask. For me I think that this makes the Fuller archeives/memorabilia all the more accessable.... my students in the fall can then find out about Fuller, his artifacts, etc in a more systematic and efficient way. Paul Kosuth prkosuth@prairienet.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:11:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Boyer Subject: Infinitude of Superabundant Numbers On July 1, 1996, Mr. Ben Weiss sent an interesting proof of the infinitude of superabundant numbers, which are similar to versatile (or highly composite) numbers. It is interesting because it uses factorials and the harmonic series, which is monotonic increasing _and_ divergent, to show that the versatility index of numbers can be increased without bound. The most fascinating part is that the infinitude of superabundant numbers is established without even necessarily using superabundant numbers. A non-constructive proof is one that shows the existence of something without actually determining what the thing is (i.e. without constructing the object). Mr. Weiss's proof seems to take this to an extreme. We are having some ongoing work which includes Mr. Matt Conroy, who has found that there are some numbers which are versatile (highly composite) but not superabundant. Although the concepts are similar, superabundant numbers are based on a different definition than versatile (highly composite) numbers. Thus, Mr. Weiss's statement that his proof also applies to the infinitude of versatile numbers would only be true if we could prove that the set of superabundant numbers is a proper subset of the set of versatiles. Although Mr. Conroy's empirical results suggest that this conjecture is true, we do not currently have a proof. In any case, I've managed to modify my own former proof of infinitude of versatile numbers so that the result establishes the infinitude of superabundant numbers. Like the former one and also like Mr. Weiss's proof, it is non-constructive. However, it does follow the principal of mathematical induction more closely by establishing a finite computational process for generating a larger superabundant number than one that is given. So, we start with a superabundant number, then generate a larger number that is an upper bound on where the next one might be. The infinitude of the superabundants is established because if we ran this process indefinitely, it would never run out of superabundants to generate-- there would always be a larger one if only we had more time to construct it. Copyright (c) 1996 by John Boyer. Anyone may refer to or present this proof in any work whatsoever provided bibliographic reference to the copyright holder is made. Definition: The versatility index of a positive integer N is defined to be V(N) = SD(N)/N where SD(N) is the sum of the divisors of N including 1 and N. Definition: A superabundant number is a positive integer N such that V(N)>V(X) for all X such that 0 < X < N. Informally, a superabundant number has a higher versatility index than any number which precedes it. Theorem: The set of superabundant numbers is an infinite set. Proof: Degenerately, 1 is superabundant with versatility index of 1. Also, 2 is a superabundant number with a versatility index of 1.5. This is the inductive base. Now consider the arbitrary superabundant number Si, which has the versatility index V(Si) = SD(Si)/Si. Notice that for each divisor D we have D*G = Si for some value G. However, by substitution, commutative property or simply the definition of divisor (take your pick) we see that G is really another divisor of Si. Since we run through _all_ divisors D, the list of divisors D must be identical must contain the same values as the list of G values. For example, the product 12 can be computed with integral factors using 1*12, 2*6, 3*4, 4*3, 6*2, and 12*1. The D values are 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and 12 and the G values are 12, 6, 4, 3, 2, and 1. Compute the next prime P > Si, then the number N = Si*P. Every divisor D of Si is also a divisor of N because D*G*P = N. Furthermore, each value of G*P must be a divisor of N, but since P > Si, the G*P divisors are unique from the D divisors. Thus, SD(N) >= sum(D) + P*sum(G). However, since the G values are equivalent to the D values, we find that SD(N) >= SD(Si) + P*SD(Si). This implies that V(N) > V(Si). By substitution, V(N) = SD(N)/(Si*P) >= (SD(Si)*(P+1)) / (Si*P) >= V(Si)*(P+1)/P > V(Si). Since N has a higher versatility index, it is either superabundant or some number with an even higher versatility index exists between Si and N. Thus, given any superabundant number Si, we can assert the existence of Si+1 and bound its value to the range (Si, N]. Since we've already computed the inductive anchor (S1=1 and S2=2), the principle of mathematical induction allows us to conclude that the set of superabundant numbers is infinite. QED ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 06:53:08 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: boosalis@IMAP2.ASU.EDU Organization: Arizona State University Subject: dome magazine? Can anyone provide me with the address to these people? Subscription info? (Dome Magazine -- as in Dome *homes* I hope?) Thanks, Chris ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 02:59:27 -0400 Reply-To: KDDM Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: KDDM Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Did Bucky learn from others? I think he did learn from others. It's even a bit disputed as to whether he really invented the geodesic dome (previous examples do exist, just somewhat in somewhat different forms). I think that his math concerning domes was his more original idea. Certainly, anything anyone does is always based (at least) in some small way on their experiences and other people. Does it really matter? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:21:36 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Presidential Elections/Bucky "Presidential elections give us only one chance every four years to vote for the least objectionable candidate. One tends to vote 'against' rather than 'for'." --RBF from "I seem to be a verb" page 27A I remember reading Marshall Mcluhan talking about elections that he thought they were worse in the long run than not having them because they acted as steam valves, releasing the pressure in society so that people wouldn't get upset and think they had some control in their future. Alvin Toffler talks about how voters only have influence every election, where self-interest groups, lobbyists and that are continuously having influence on the government, so they have more long-term control. I think we need to re-examine our political systems to try to determine a new method of answering people's concerns. I think the current systems are no longer effective to our rapidly changing society. Bill ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:20:55 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: GEODESIC HULLS Comments: cc: DOME HOME LIST GEODESIC AIROLITE BOATS, PLANS AND KITS Monfort Associates RFD 2, Box 416 Wiscasset, Maine 04578-9610 USA Phone: ? Fax: ? Email: ? Platt Monfort, President Snowshoe 12 Canoe 13 pounds, One 190-pound person, $?? Classic 12 Boat ?? pounds, Three 200-pound persons, $?? See 'Bucky Works', pages 108 and 237. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:36:57 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DYMAXION CAR LOCATION OF DYMAXION CAR # 2 The National Automobile Museum Lake and Mill Street Reno, Nevada 895__ Phone: 702-333-9300 Fax: ? Email: ? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:10:01 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKYTUBES BUCKYTUBES ARTICLE There is a good article, "Carbon Nanotubes" by Thomas W. Ebbesen, in the June 1996 issue of PHYSICS TODAY on pages 26-32. This may lead to new high-strength fibers, submicroscopic test tubes, and new semiconductor materials. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:19:21 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: MICRO PHOTOS MICRO PHOTOS The June issue of POPULAR SCIENCE has an article entitled "It's a Small World" by Dawn Stover (pages 102-3) which has sample photos from the book 'Journeys in Microspace' by Dee Breger. One of the pics is of the skeleton of a radiolarian, which looks just like a high frequency geodesic dome. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:49:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Venable Organization: CTS Network Services Subject: Re: dome magazine? In article <4rie4k$c2m@news.asu.edu>, boosalis@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > Can anyone provide me with the address to these people? Subscription > info? (Dome Magazine -- as in Dome *homes* I hope?) > > Thanks, > > Chris Chris, You can check out http://www.hoflin.com/DOME.html, and here is their contact info, taken from that page: DOME magazine $12 ea. 1 year (4 issues): $40 U.S., $44 outside U.S. 2 years: $76 U.S., $84 outside U.S. MC/Visa/Discover 303/420-2222, 6am to 6pm Denver time email donh@hoflin.com 4401 Zephyr St. Wheat Ridge, Colorado 80033 Hope this helps, Walt Venable ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 05:48:58 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Help Allegra Fuller Snyder find footnotes (Synergetics Dict, on sale now!) pdx4d@teleport.com (Kirby Urner) wrote: > >Forwarded request from Allegra Fuller Snyder, Chairwoman BFI: > >If any of you Synergetics Dictionary owners out there have the time, you >could help Allegra with the footnote hunt. Time is running out! (the >magazine wants to go to press). > >The article itself is at http://www.wnet.org:80/bucky/allegra.html >-- highly recommended! > NOTE: the quotes turned out to be in Critical Path. Ed Applewhite, creator of the Synergetics Dictionary, gets the prize for finding them. > * * * > >Also, for those of you who didn't see it in TrimTab, the Synergetics Dictionary >is being offered for $150 (originally $500) and only a few are left. Also >the Artifacts of Buckminster Fuller. This is your chance to own these >collector's Apologies -- as James pointed out, these have all been sold. Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:27:04 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Presidential Elections/Bucky In-Reply-To: Op Fri, 5 Jul 1996, bill paton schreef: > "Presidential elections give us only one chance every four years to vote > for the least objectionable candidate. One tends to vote 'against' rather > than 'for'." > --RBF from "I seem to be a verb" page 27A > > I remember reading Marshall Mcluhan talking about elections that he > thought they were worse in the long run than not having them because they > acted as steam valves, releasing the pressure in society so that people > wouldn't get upset and think they had some control in their future. > > Alvin Toffler talks about how voters only have influence every election, > where self-interest groups, lobbyists and that are continuously having > influence on the government, so they have more long-term control. > > I think we need to re-examine our political systems to try to determine a > new method of answering people's concerns. I think the current systems are > no longer effective to our rapidly changing society. > > Bill > check an article in "the sciences" about the state of science research in the U.S, " falling from grace" - the article is about the goverment, budget cuts, the scientists beginning for the first time lobbying. the clarity of the article is supurb; the sort of articles i like to get but with more data from different departments of goverment. i tell you more next email. i think the writer is very clear about the subject of science policy. it is about 2 pages, if it is doesnt violate copy rights i can type it tomorrow. issue date, may/ june tagdi p.s & some time ago, there were some posts about nano technology, also an article in new scintist; about the actual production of these nanomachines. just for the extra of it, i will be looking at a book in near future with the title "the mess in Washington D.C" no idea if it is good, i never seen the book, just found the title when i was looking to find somthing under mobilization and war. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 11:14:48 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: A'yin Da'ath Subject: Re: Presidential Elections/Bucky At 12:21 PM 7/5/96 +0000, you wrote: >"Presidential elections give us only one chance every four years to vote >for the least objectionable candidate. One tends to vote 'against' rather >than 'for'." >--RBF from "I seem to be a verb" page 27A I believe it was Terry Pratchett who said that the reason elections work so well is that, inevitably, we elect someone everybody hates. X Nechesh - NChSh - Nun Cheth Shin - 358 - The Serpent of Initiation ayindaath@worldnet.att.net http://users.aol.com/ayindaath/ -=The Abyss of A'yin Da'ath=- Webmaster for http://users.aol.com/sophieweb/ -=The Sophie Marceau Shrine=- Scored a 46.4% on his Nerdity Test and an 84% on the Purity! Congradulate him! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:29:34 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY WORKS TOC Comments: cc: DOME HOME LIST BUCKY WORKS: BUCKMINSTER FULLER'S IDEAS FOR TODAY by J. Baldwin, 1996 DEDICATION ACKNOWLEDGMENTS 1 pic CREDITS AND COPYRIGHTS PREFACE A GRAIN OF SALT 1 pic 01. THE MISSION OF GUINEA PIG B A. Success and Failure 1 pic B. Guinea Pig B 1 pic C. The Chronofile D. Wind Sucks 02. THE LIGHTFUL HOUSE A. Life in 4D 1 drawing B. Ephemeralization 1 pic C. 4D Towers 2 drawings D. The 4D Dymaxion House 3 pics 2 drawings E. The Dymaxion Mobile Dormitory 8 pics F. The Autonomous House G. Packaging Toilets H. Fog Guns I. The Dymaxion Bathroom 1 pic J. Corrugated Cottages 8 pic K. Swords Into Plowshares 16 pics 3 drawings L. The Wichita House Lives On 5 pics 03. THE DESIGN SCIENCE REVOLUTION A. The Revolution B. High-Frequency Sleep and Odd Diets C. Synergetics 11 drawings 1) The Octet Truss 2) Buckminsterfullerene 1 drawing 3) Tensegrity 8 drawings 4) Dr.Ingber's Cells 2 pics D. Was Bucky Right? 04. GETTING AROUND 1 pic A. Dymaxion Transport 1 drawing B. Dymaxion Plummeting 1) Dymaxion Cars 12 pics 3 drawings 2) The Little Car That Wasn't 5 drawings 3) A Dymaxion Hypercar 4 drawings C. Ship Yourself 5 drawings D. Rowing Needles 1 pic E. Geodesic Boats 2 pics F. Beam Me a Pizza 05. DOMES 1 pic A. Why Domes? 2 pics B. Chilled Domes 1 pic 3 drawings C. What Makes a Geodesic Dome Special? 5 pics D. Growing Pains 2 pics E. Leaks 06. THE SORCERER'S APPRENTICES 3 pics A. Students at Work 9 pics B. Learn a Lot, Learning Fast 07. INSTANT DOMES A. Flying Seedpod Dome 3 pics B. U.S.Marine Corps Dome 3 pics C. Trade Fair Domes 2 pics D. North Face Tent Domes 4 pics E. Hoberman Expandodomes 4 pics 08. THE GARDEN OF EDEN A. Indoors Outdoors 7 pics B. Skybreaks 7 pics 2 drawings C. Climatron 2 pics D. Montreal 5 pics E. Pillowdomes 13 pics 1 drawing 09. MEGASTRUCTURES 1 pic A. Old Man River's City 2 pics B. Triton City 1 pic C. An Outrageous Postcard 1 pic D. Cloud Nine 1 pic 10. SPACESHIP EARTH A. It's a One-Town World 1 drawing B. The World Game Institute 1 pic 1 drawing C. GENI 1 drawing D. A Global Dwelling Service E. Fly's Eyes 5 pics 8 drawings F. The Whole Earth Catalog 1 pic G. Syntegrity 6 drawings 11. JOBS AND WORK A. Security B. Jobs, Work, Duty, and Earning a Living 1 pic 12. APPENDIX A--SELECTED BIBLIOGRAPHY A. Selected Books by R. Buckminster Fuller B. Selected Books About Buckminster Fuller C. Video and Audio Tapes 13. APPENDIX B--RESOURCES A. Organizations B. Periodicals C. Models D. Commercial Dome Designers and Manufacturers INDEX PATTERNS FOR PLATONIC SOLIDS -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:12:35 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Franklin Wayne Poley Subject: Re: Presidential Elections/Bucky In-Reply-To: On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, tom aagdii wrote: > Op Fri, 5 Jul 1996, bill paton schreef: > > > "Presidential elections give us only one chance every four years to vote > > for the least objectionable candidate. One tends to vote 'against' rather > > than 'for'." > > --RBF from "I seem to be a verb" page 27A > > > > I remember reading Marshall Mcluhan talking about elections that he > > thought they were worse in the long run than not having them because they > > acted as steam valves, releasing the pressure in society so that people > > wouldn't get upset and think they had some control in their future. > > > > Alvin Toffler talks about how voters only have influence every election, > > where self-interest groups, lobbyists and that are continuously having > > influence on the government, so they have more long-term control. > > > > I think we need to re-examine our political systems to try to determine a > > new method of answering people's concerns. I think the current systems are > > no longer effective to our rapidly changing society. > > > > Bill > > > > check an article in "the sciences" about the state of science research in > the U.S, " falling from grace" > - the article is about the goverment, budget cuts, the scientists > beginning for the first time lobbying. the clarity of the > article is supurb; the sort of articles i like to get but > with more data from different departments of goverment. > i tell you more next email. i think the writer is very > clear about the subject of science policy. > > it is about 2 pages, if it is doesnt violate copy rights > i can type it tomorrow. > > issue date, may/ june > tagdi > > > p.s & some time ago, there were some posts about nano technology, > also an article in new scintist; about the actual production > of these nanomachines. > > just for the extra of it, i will be looking at a book in > near future with the title "the mess in Washington D.C" > no idea if it is good, i never seen the book, just found > the title when i was looking to find somthing under > mobilization and war. > Buckminster Fuller was, as we all know, a great philanthropist as well as a great scientist.I think those principles of philanthropy would serve us very well in articulating a "Culture X" on both structural and functional levels. On the structural level I am impressed with the concept of having very light weight housing units which can be moved about, e.g. by helicopter.Have to admit I am not gung ho on the aesthetics of the Fly's Eye Dome house.But the same principles could be applied to light weight rectangular apartments for example, which would slide between girders and could be removed and transported elsewhere.The Fuller automated cotton mill and mechanical growth house could be extended to a variety of Culture X factories. I like the idea of a large central Sky City Dome which could be used as a Political Centre and lofted into the air when the politicians need to be "recalled".On a more serious note, why not just build in an electronic democracy system for control over the public administrators we hire (i.e. politicians).If Culture X is built on the coast here in B.C. we should also construct a Triton City in the harbour.Does anybody know how I could find the original HUD plans? FWP. ***CULTURE X*** ***THE PROBLEM:To design a culture totally anew for 130,000 global citizens on 12 mi.x12 mi. of land using the best of current technology and budgets affordable to those citizens;then submit it to the U.N. for Membership.THE SOLUTION:A multi-talented group of discussants from the Global Village.Contact Moderator at *** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:13:25 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Presidential Elections/Bucky In-Reply-To: ; from "Franklin Wayne Poley" at Jul 6, 96 5:12 pm Franklin Wayne Poley writes: > administrators we hire (i.e. politicians).If Culture X is built on the > coast here in B.C. we should also construct a Triton City in the > harbour.Does anybody know how I could find the original HUD plans? FWP. The National Technical Information Service (NTIS) sells a document called "A Study of a Prototype Floating Community" by the Triton Foundation, Inc. Ask for document # PB 180 051/LC. It cost $20 back in 1986. United States Department of Commerce National Technical Information Service 5285 Port Royal Road Springfield, VA 22161 The original models are in the Lyndon B. Johnson library in Texas. See pages 332-5 of 'Critical Path'. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:16:48 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: A 4th wave idea (fwd) Todd P. Phillips writes: > From asis.com!todd Sun Jul 7 09:46:28 1996 > Message-ID: <31DFEA29.104B@asis.com> > Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 09:47:41 -0700 > From: "Todd P. Phillips" > Reply-To: todd@asis.com > Organization: The Photo Group > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > Subject: A 4th wave idea > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I've been thinking about what the fourth wave might be myself. > More than likely we are headed towards a more spiritually oriented > wave. I don't mean religious...anyway just a thought. Todd/ > todd@asis.com > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:13:42 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKYBALL BOOKS BUCKYBALL BOOKS 'Perfect Symmetry: The Accidental Discovery of Buckminsterfullerene' by Jim Baggott 1994, Oxford University Press 'The Most Beautiful Molecule' by Hugh Aldersey-Williams 1995, John Wilwy & Sons, Inc. See: 'Bucky Works', pages 74-5 'Cosmography', page 67 note -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:51:36 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TENSEGRITY CELL MODELS TENSEGRITY CELL MODELS See: 'Bucky Works' by J.Baldwin (1996), pages 78-9 'A Fuller Explanation' by Amy Edmondson (1987), page 257 "Cellular Tensegrity: Defining New Rules of Biological Design that Govern the Cytoskeleton" by Donald Ingber, JOURNAL OF CELL SCIENCE (vol 104, 1993), pages 613-27 "Mechanotransduction Across the Cell Surface and Through the Cytoskeleton" by Donald Ingber, SCIENCE, May 21, 1993, pages ?? Email: ingber_d@a1.tch.harvard.edu -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:04:02 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: ECO Organization: ECO Subject: New Intellectual GIS developed, looking for partners - my_news2.txt [1/1] New Intellectual GIS developed, look for contacts with partners. Intellectual Geographical Informational System (IGIS) includes new fundamental methods of morphometric analysis, classifications, corresponding technologies, software. It differs from usual GIS by a set of new methods for Digital Elevation Models (DEMs) treatment, working with both vector, and raster data. Its applications refer to a wide spectrum of disciplines, such as geology, ecology, hydrology, because IGIS not only stores data, but is also able to produce a new knowledge, using DEMs treatment methods. I believe, that my principal finding is that the morphometric analysis is a separate science, which allows a classification, and implies a new reach set of methods. Not all from them are discovered yet, and they have so large field of applications, that people will not live without them in the nearest future. Currently available new methods are used to solve geophysical, geoecological and hydrological tasks (karst processes evaluation, ground water vulnerability, contaminants redistribution prediction,...), geological ones (lineaments and central type structures decoding,...), for soil science (automated large-scale soil maps production), forestry, for complex terrain analyses. Peter A. Shary e-mail ECO@adm.pgu.serpukhov.su ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:19:29 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rob Beezer Subject: PlayDome Page The PlayDome is a children's climbing toy in the shape of a geodesic dome, constructed from 21 used automobile tires. The design was created by Curt Flowers and after building one myself, I have created a few WWW pages with photos and advice on its construction (along with plans provided by Curt). While it sounds like a wild idea, the kids love it and it beats sending the tires to a landfill. Check out http://buzzard.ups.edu/playdome.html If you maintain a site devoted to geodesic structures, feel free to add a link to these pages - the URL will be quite stable. For those with sites devoted to geodesic homes, this might make a nice complement in outdoor play equipment. Robert Beezer Professor Department of Mathematics and Computer Science University of Puget Sound Tacoma, WA 98335 beezer@ups.edu http://buzzard.ups.edu/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:19:45 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rob Beezer Subject: SUMMARY: Geodesic framework as playground equipment Back in early April I posted a query about using geodesic structures as climbing toys for children, and I promised to post a summary of what I discovered back to the list. Here it is - the original question is reproduced at the end. ***************************************************************** Joe Moore suggested trying Toys R Us and the like for kits. I struck out looking at our local Toys R US. ***************************************************************** Bill Paton recalled a "Pipehenge" made by the Carter Observatory in New Zealand (http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~bankst/) that might be similar, though it was designed for viewing stars through (or something like that). ***************************************************************** Popular Science ran an article (December 1982, "Low-cost, high-efficiency, geodesic solar concentrator", by James A. Baggett) that describes a geodesic framework made from electrical conduit. It is designed to hold a parabolic reflector that tracks the sun across the sky. While it is possible that this idea could be converted into a climbing toy, few details are given and the "patented system is available for licensing." ***************************************************************** Ross Keatinge did a lot of leg work and discovered the manufacturer of the "GeoGym": Eric Haywood Leisure Lifestyles 113 Ngamotu Rd New Plymouth New Zealand Ph +64 6 7513079 Ross says: The product looks very good for what it is intended. It is just a simple 2 frequency dome 2.1 metres diameter at the base. Its called the Geo Gym. I think that is all the company makes along these lines. Quoting a few bits from the brochure: Geo Gym, manufactured from PVC tubing, has been designed for the younger children to use as an introduction to climbing. For the very young, it is warm to touch, not cold like steel. Therefore it is inviting. Children learn to climb in what is a reasonably safe environment. If a child should fall upon one of the structs, it gives with them. This eliminates broken arms etc that are associated with steel jungle-gyms. Geo Gym fits in with most pre-school maths syllabus. Within the dome there are a number of shapes: (Triangles, Pentagons, Hexagons, Diamonds, Parallelograms and of course a Circle). Geo Gym also makes a good framework for children to throw covers over and create their own playhouse. (end of quote) It has been tested by Telarc who do the ISO certifications here. Maximum load at top is 105 kg and max load at a strut is 55 kg. I could sit on top but might have trouble on one of the structs :-) The hubs are a single bolt through flattened ends of the tubing. It costs $295 plus freight and there is a playhouse cover for $175 plus freight. That's $NZ which these days is about 68 cents US. They have design and trademark registrations pending. ***************************************************************** On my own, I found one manufacturer of playground equipment that makes domes: L.A. Steelcraft Products, Inc. (Pasadena) 818-798-7401, 213-681-9335 Beehive Geodesic Climbers 4' height, 8' diameter, $330 5' height, 13' diameter, $997 7' height, 18' diameter, $1247 The smallest one has 65 struts that are 1 inch in diameter and 30 or 27 inches in length. It requires 10 anchors sunk in concrete (12 in deep, 6 in diameter). My local dealer is Pacific Playgrounds, Tacoma, WA 1-800-962-5048, 206-564-5559 if you need another place to contact. ***************************************************************** Anthony R. Trow of Premier Polysteel Playgrounds responded to an email message as follows: Most companies have discontinued them because of poor sales and safety issues. I have found them for sale at Playworld Systems. Their model Super Dome 0388 retails for $1,220.00. They can be reached at 1 800 233 8404. Good Luck. ***************************************************************** Curt Flowers sent me plans for a geodesic dome made from 21 used automobile tires, and I built one (which was great fun). While it sounds like a wild idea, the kids love it. *All* the details can be found on the WWW at http://buzzard.ups.edu/playdome.html ***************************************************************** Original question, April 12, 1996, Rob Beezer : Could anyone give me some pointers to where I could purchase a kit that would create a geodesic dome structure that would be appropriate for children to climb on? I'd like to assemble one for use in my backyard. Having all the parts available, and simply assembling it sounds best to me, but specialized parts ("star joints"?) together with plans that required more commonly available materials (steel pipe?) would be another possibility. A real nice plus would be if a partial dome could be constructed now while my kids are smaller, and when they get bigger perhaps it could be expanded to achieve slightly greater height and wider base. Robert Beezer Professor Department of Mathematics and Computer Science University of Puget Sound Tacoma, WA 98335 beezer@ups.edu http://buzzard.ups.edu/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:40:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Walt Venable Organization: CTS Network Services Subject: Re: PlayDome Page Rob, I checked out the playdome page and really enjoyed it. "Evolution makes many starts" as Bucky was wont to say, and a friend and I also came up with this idea (see the picture at the bottom of the "Dome Portfolio" page at my site, http://members.aol.com/wvenable/). We used 1/2" diameter bolts, and only got as far as the top six tires (one small and 5 large). At that point we stopped because we did not feel the structure was going to be rigid enough to support the weight of an adult standing on the top (due to bending of the tires) even with a cable running around the bottom to prevent spreading. Did you find this to be the case, as well, or is the completed dome sturdier than the partial dome we built? Is your structure designed for small (light weight) children? I would be interested to find out how to get this to work since I still have a pile of tires in my side yard! BTW, you forgot to mention how exhausting it is to drill & connect all those tires (downright tire-ing, in fact...) Keep up the good work... -- Walt Venable In article <2.2.32.19960708211929.006f444c@buzzard.ups.edu>, Rob Beezer wrote: > The PlayDome is a children's climbing toy in the shape of a geodesic dome, > constructed from 21 used automobile tires. The design was created by Curt > Flowers and after building one myself, I have created a > few WWW pages with photos and advice on its construction (along with plans > provided by Curt). While it sounds like a wild idea, the kids love it and > it beats sending the tires to a landfill. > > Check out > > http://buzzard.ups.edu/playdome.html > > If you maintain a site devoted to geodesic structures, feel free to add a > link to these pages - the URL will be quite stable. For those with sites > devoted to geodesic homes, this might make a nice complement in outdoor play > equipment. > Robert Beezer > Professor > Department of Mathematics and Computer Science > University of Puget Sound > Tacoma, WA 98335 > beezer@ups.edu > http://buzzard.ups.edu/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:35:16 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Curt Flowers Organization: University of Illinois - AISS, CSD Subject: Re: PlayDome Page Walt, I read your post below and looked at your web page. I think you just stopped completing the structure too soon. If you continue to put in the additional 'rows' of tires the tire dome will begin to hold itself up. The tire domes (at 5/9 3v icosahdron) I built stand on their own 5 feet, so to speak, quite well. They get even more stable when the lowest course is anchored to the ground. We had 4 and five adults standing on ours for pictures. Rob Beezers dome (http://buzzard.ups.edu/playdome.html) is also quite stable. Try again and good luck! In article wvenable@sd.cts.com (Walt Venable) writes:>From: wvenable@sd.cts.com (Walt Venable) >Subject: Re: PlayDome Page >Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 23:40:14 -0700 >Rob, >I checked out the playdome page and really enjoyed it. "Evolution makes >many starts" as Bucky was wont to say, and a friend and I also came up >with this idea (see the picture at the bottom of the "Dome Portfolio" page >at my site, http://members.aol.com/wvenable/). We used 1/2" diameter >bolts, and only got as far as the top six tires (one small and 5 large). >At that point we stopped because we did not feel the structure was going >to be rigid enough to support the weight of an adult standing on the top >(due to bending of the tires) even with a cable running around the bottom >to prevent spreading. Did you find this to be the case, as well, or is the >completed dome sturdier than the partial dome we built? Is your structure >designed for small (light weight) children? I would be interested to find >out how to get this to work since I still have a pile of tires in my side >yard! BTW, you forgot to mention how exhausting it is to drill & connect >all those tires (downright tire-ing, in fact...) >Keep up the good work... >-- Walt Venable >In article <2.2.32.19960708211929.006f444c@buzzard.ups.edu>, Rob Beezer > wrote: >> The PlayDome is a children's climbing toy in the shape of a geodesic dome, >> constructed from 21 used automobile tires. The design was created by Curt >> Flowers and after building one myself, I have created a >> few WWW pages with photos and advice on its construction (along with plans >> provided by Curt). While it sounds like a wild idea, the kids love it and >> it beats sending the tires to a landfill. >> >> Check out >> >> http://buzzard.ups.edu/playdome.html >> >> If you maintain a site devoted to geodesic structures, feel free to add a >> link to these pages - the URL will be quite stable. For those with sites >> devoted to geodesic homes, this might make a nice complement in outdoor play >> equipment. >> Robert Beezer >> Professor >> Department of Mathematics and Computer Science >> University of Puget Sound >> Tacoma, WA 98335 >> beezer@ups.edu >> http://buzzard.ups.edu/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:53:44 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: HYPERCARS HYPERCARS Proposals for an updated Dymaxion car by Amory Lovens and Robert Cumberford. Rocky Mountain Institute 1739 Snowmass Creek Road Snowmass, Colorado 81654-9199 Phone: 970-927-3851 Fax: 970-927-4178 Email: orders@rmi.org See: 'Bucky Works', pages 102-3 and 237 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:03:06 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Integrated Domes (fwd) DomeHome-H writes: > From ns-1.csn.net!h19.hoflin.com!domehome-h Tue Jul 9 15:56:11 1996 > Message-Id: <01BB6DBF.E8C498C0@laotzu.tx.iex.com> > From: DomeHome-H > Sender: Tom Ray > To: 'Dome List' > Subject: Integrated Domes > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:56:07 -0500 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Since I am new on this list, I'll start with an intro on my situation = > and (current) ideas. > > Am considering the construction of a dome as part of a home in the 2-3 = > year timeframe. I own a piece of land (52+ acres) outside of Dallas that = > includes a small lake/pond (~1/2 acre) that the home can overlook from a = > slight hill. The hillside is currently barren, making an ideal = > construction site. The major environmental concerns are that it gets hot = > as hell in the summer (100+ F) and there can be terrific wind/hail = > storms (including the occasional tornado). > > The idea that I'm currently considering is to build a dome as the = > central structure of the home, both for its structural integrity and = > architectural presentiment. I would like to add to this central dome = > with either conventional or "round" (e.g., Daltec or Eagle's Nest = > pre-fabs) constructs, resulting in a home of ~3500 sq. ft. I have = > contacted some of the (perceived) larger dome manufacturers (e.g.,Oregon = > and Timberline) about information, but they aren't very forth-coming = > with details that would help me in my studies. > > Thus, my initial questions are: > > 1) Has anyone out there done/thought about something like what I am = > describing? Know of any companies that excel in working with these kind = > of ideas? > > 2) Know some good sources of information about dome dimensions, = > architectural drawing and/or models that would help me design/model such = > a structure? (I have looked at a few webpages and gotten some book = > titles that look interesting - any feedback that would constrain my = > search would be appreciated.) > > > Thanks, > Tom > > Tom Ray > > ray@iex.com > 214/301-1234 (day) > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:35:04 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rob Beezer Subject: Re: PlayDome Page Comments: cc: Walt Venable , cjflower@UIUC.EDU Walt, I checked out your page (nice photos!) and I'll simply echo Curt's comments - I think you just need to proceed and build a larger tire dome with the extra tires you have laying around. When constructing it, I started from the ground up - you might want to get the bottom 15 tires in place, and then hoist your current six up on top. I have seen seven or eight pre-schoolers crawling around on the dome I built, and I have seen a third-grader jump up and down on it with all his might, and I have stood on top of it myself (I won't disclose my mass ;-). In none of these instances have I seen it give any hint of buckling or collapsing. Anchoring the bottom 5 tires below ground level helps a lot with the stability, though I don't think it is crucial. And, yes, it is pretty physical work to get it put together. Check the PlayDome pages (http://buzzard.ups.edu/playdome.html) for lots of details on building one. Using a hole saw to drill the holes sounds like a good idea. Any problem getting through the steel belts? When you get yours built, let me know - we can start a gallery of PlayDome photos! ;-) Rob >Rob, > >I checked out the playdome page and really enjoyed it. "Evolution makes >many starts" as Bucky was wont to say, and a friend and I also came up >with this idea (see the picture at the bottom of the "Dome Portfolio" page >at my site, http://members.aol.com/wvenable/). We used 1/2" diameter >bolts, and only got as far as the top six tires (one small and 5 large). >At that point we stopped because we did not feel the structure was going >to be rigid enough to support the weight of an adult standing on the top >(due to bending of the tires) even with a cable running around the bottom >to prevent spreading. Did you find this to be the case, as well, or is the >completed dome sturdier than the partial dome we built? Is your structure >designed for small (light weight) children? I would be interested to find >out how to get this to work since I still have a pile of tires in my side >yard! BTW, you forgot to mention how exhausting it is to drill & connect >all those tires (downright tire-ing, in fact...) > >Keep up the good work... > >-- Walt Venable > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:39:47 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DOME CONSULTANT Comments: cc: DOME HOME LIST DOME DESIGNERS AND CONSULTANTS Fuller, Sadao Architects 13000 Shaker Blvd. Cleveland, Ohio 44120 USA Phone: 216-752-3500 Fax: ? Email: ? Source: 'Bucky Works', page 238 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:56:22 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: STARNET DOMES Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST Mr Wendel of Starnet International has brought to my attention that "Starnet specializes in only non-residential projects with most of the domes typically 100' in diameter. Please add to our listing that we design/build commercial projects such as amphitheaters, stadiums, arena covers, etc." Starnet International Corp. 407-830-1199 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:47:28 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Domes in Dallas (fwd) Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST Mike Adkins writes: > From inetg1.arco.com!arco.com!madkins Wed Jul 10 08:18:25 1996 > Message-Id: <31E3CB40.13BD@arco.com> > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:24:48 -0500 > From: Mike Adkins > Organization: ARCO-AEPT-SCT-SWS > X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; U) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > To: joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > Subject: Domes in Dallas > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I built my 45' 5/8 in 1985/86. I used Geodesic Domes & Homes in > Whitehouse Tx (S. of Tyler). At that time they were good people to work > with. They had many plans/blueprints/styles. They have also done many > churches, businesses, etc... and may have plans for the combo dome/house > you are looking for. Their addr is on some of the dome web pages. > > Regards > > Mike > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:29:30 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: To Joe ref-hyper-car-em, Leonardo Type-the hell with authority of , specialists. In-Reply-To: <9607032141.aa15769@cruzio.com> The Gudraian july 10 1996. Amory Lovins was onece voted by wall street journal editors as one of the 28 people most likely to chnage the face of the world industry. high praise for a man whom few people have heard of. summary of the article: hyper car is no longer theory, its' coming as sure as climate change. comines carbon tiber constructionf with electric propulsion; can save from 400 to 1000 per cent fuel efficiency. can drive on less than a gallon from London to Edinburgh. possibility of genarating solar electricity for the grid while standing still(96% of the time), putting massive power station out of business. first car will be produced in 1998. industry spent 1 billion dollars to data on the idea. 12 auto makers, are competing with each other tobe firs in the market with a hyper car.he put the idea in the public domain instead of obtaining a patent, to get everyone fighting. the above contain 1/2 of the article. tagdi as far as i can remember car recycilng is mostly located near big cities. some of us doing whatever we can for nothing, the last thing we want is criticism from coach brain potato. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:22:32 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: HLD PUBLISHING Organization: HLD PUBLISHING COMPANY Subject: Is your computer being bugged???? 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"Structural Design Concepts for Future Space Missions: A Conceptual Investigation of Rotation-Translation Transformation of Platonic Polyhedra" by Joseph D.Clinton, NASA Progress Report (Contract NsG-607) 11-1-65, page 9 (Lunar Soft-Lander & Walker Concept). -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:23:14 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FULLERENE SURPRISE FULLERENE SURPRISE Scientists have discovered that fullerenes are so strong that they can survive the force of meteor impacts with the earth. In addition, they have found that some of these tough carbon cages contain nobel gases (such as helium isotopes) from long-dead stars. The article has a nice picture of a fullerene molecule from the N.Carolina State Univ. Science Photo Library. See: "Stardust-Filled Fullerenes", POPULAR MECHANICS, July 1996, page 18. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:18:26 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TELEPORTATION REFS QUANTUM TELEPORTATION REFERENCES "Teleporting an Unknown Quantum State via Dual Classical & Einstein-Podolsky- Rosen Channels" by Bennett, Brassard, Crepeau, Jozsa, Peres, Wootters, Phys. Rev. Lett., vol.70, pp.1895-99 (1993). "Purification of Noisy Entanglement,Faithful Teleportation via Noisy Channels", Bennett, Brassard, Popescu, Schumacher, Smolin, & Wootters, Phys. Rev. Lett., vol.76, p.722 (1996). "Instant Teleportation" by Tony Sudbury, Nature, vol.362, pp.586-87 (1993). " ? " by Ivars Peterson, Science News, April 10, 1993, p.229. "A Fun Talk on Teleportation" by Samuel Braunstein, ? mag, 19??, p ??. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:24:44 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Re: Is your computer being bugged???? Can you believe the balls on this guy? Claiming he's going to bill people $95 if they cancell his solicitations? Pretty strange!! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:12:37 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: A'yin Da'ath Subject: Re: Is your computer being bugged???? At 03:22 PM 7/11/96 +0000, you wrote: >Is your computer being monitored by someone else? > Is someone using your computer without your knowledge? > Is your mate chatting online with someone else? > Are your children chatting online with the wrong crowd? > > Now , you can monitor your computer with my private collection of > keyboard recoders from around the world. > Also known as:Keyboard Grabber, Keyboard Key Logger, Keyboard Monitor. Nice to see someone cashing in on the paranoid feelings of your average joe (or jody). I mean, what IF my computer is being monitored by someone else? All my school papers! Gasp! Someone using the computer without my knowledge? What ARE they doing to my word-processor? My mate chatting with someone else online? OH DEAR LORD NOOOOOO!!!!! Not a cyber-sex partner! I feel to violated and used by my mate, now. My kids chatting with the wrong crowd? You mean the socialists? Please say no. Or the goths? Druggies? What if they're influenced and join one of the those damned satanic cults? I mean, young minds ARE impressionable... Seriously, folks, if you have that much feeling of paranoia, then seek help. Our government may be out to catalogue us and kill the misfits, but it helps to keep a smile of grim determination on your face. X Nechesh - NChSh - Nun Cheth Shin - 358 - The Serpent of Initiation ayindaath@worldnet.att.net http://users.aol.com/ayindaath/ -=The Abyss of A'yin Da'ath=- Webmaster for http://users.aol.com/sophieweb/ -=The Sophie Marceau Shrine=- Scored a 46.4% on his Nerdity Test and an 84% on the Purity! Congradulate him! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:32:34 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marc Visconte Organization: Dis-Roganized, All Hail Eris! Subject: Is your computer being bugged???? No, but *I* am! Steve Brant wrote: > > Can you believe the balls on this guy? Claiming he's going to > bill people $95 if they cancell his solicitations? > Pretty strange!! I think you missed his message... he was saying that if you PAY him, HE will cancel his abusive mail practices. If his email address is correct (and there's no guarentee that is it), I've sent 8 copies of his letter back to him. If he pays me $1,000,000, I'll stop. Grin. But you are correct in your "Pretty Strange" assessment. I've heard that if you can find the server this bozo operates from you can post to the server-master (web-master?) and ask that this cretin's email priveleges be monitored to prevent him from doing dumb spams like that. ObligGeoDesicMaterial: One of the books I checked out years ago showed how to use geodesics to form non-spherical forms. Eggs, weird bulges, etc. My thoughts, before I know about free-span construction, was that a flat wall with geodesic strength would be cool, or better yet, bus/car/truck/trailer structures, which are pretty lame for torsion, would benefit from applying geodesics to the "cube-tube" design. I eventually did see a commercial car-trailer which had the front based on a geodesign. Didn't look to smooth, but sometimes we do things because we can, or because they work well, not because of how they look. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:03:05 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: QUANTUM COMPUTING REFS QUANTUM COMPUTING REFERENCES "On the Power of Quantum Computation", Daniel R. Simon, ? mag, page ?, month ?, day ?, 1994 "Algorithms for Quantum Computation: Discrete Log & Factoring", Shor, ? mag, page?, month ?, day ?, 1994 "Two-Bit Gates are Universal for Quantum Computation", David P.DiVincenzo, ?mag, page ?, month?, day?, 1994 "Results on 2-Bit Gate Design for Quantum Computers", DiVincenzo & Smolin, ? mag, page ?, month?, day?, 1994 "Reduction of Quantum Entropy by Reversible Extraction of Classical Info", Bennett, Brassard, Jozsa, Mayers, Peres, Schumacher & Wootters, Journal of Modern Optics, page ?, month ?, day ?, 1994 "Strengths & Weaknesses of Quantum Computing", Bennett, Bernstein, Brassard, & Vazirani, ? mag, page ?, month ?, day ?, 1994 "Quantum Coding", Benjamin Schumacher, Phys. Rev. A., vol.51, p.2738 (1995). "Elementary Gates for Quantum Computation", Barenco, Bennett, Cleve, Smolin, DiVincenzo, Margolus, Shor, Sleator, Smolin & Weinfurter, Phys.Rev.A., vol.52, p.3457 (1995) "Quantum Computers, Factoring & Decoherence", Chuang, Laflamme, Shor, Zurek, mag ?, month ?, day ?, 1995 "5 2-Bit Quantum Gates are Sufficient to Implement the Quantum Fredkin Gate", Smolin & DiVincenzo, 1995?, Phys.Rev.A., vol.53, p.2855 (1996). "Progress Towards Quantum Computation", Bennett & DiVincenzo, Nature, 10-95 "Concentrating Partial Entanglement by Local Operations", Bennett, Bernstein, Popescu and Schumacher, 1995, Phys. Rev. A., to appear. "Quantum Error-Correcting Codes Need Not Completely Reveal the Error Syndrome", Peter W. Shor & John A.Smolin, 1996, submitted to Phys.Rev.Lett. "Mixed State Entanglement & Quantum Error Correction", Bennett, DiVincenzo, Smolin, and Wootters, 1996, submitted to Phys. Rev. A. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:16:37 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: RBF master index Comments: To: trimtab@CAM.ORG In-Reply-To: <9607120619.AA00263@fuller.HIP.CAM.ORG>; from "trimtab@CAM.ORG" at Jul 12, 96 1:18 am trimtab@CAM.ORG writes: > I've been following the bit.listserv.geodesic news group for some = > time. I find your compilations most informative. Recently, you = > have posted a Master Index that cross-references many key themes = > accross the work of RBF. Where can we find an integral version of = > this index? The people at Critical Path have indicated that they wanted to make the Index available both by FTP and HTTP. However, there has been no formal announcement, yet. Also, one other person wanted to install the index on his web pages but, again, there has been no announcement. In the meantime, the index is in the May and June '96 archives of the Geodesic list. See: http://ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu/~listserv/GEODESIC/ > Many thanks, > > Olivier Drolet > trimtab@cam.org > > P.s.: A few years ago, I stumbled upon the b.l.g. news group and = > rediscovered Fuller all over again. For so many years I had been = > incapable of communicating to anyone the importance of Fuller's = > work. Your contributions, and those of so many other, whether they = > be accessible through the Usenet or the WWW, are an invaluable = > source of information. Please, do carry on!= -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:26:37 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: FULLERENE SURPRISE Joe Moore said: > FULLERENE SURPRISE Sounds like a name for a new dessert. "Take 2 cups of carbon-60, 1/4 cup of carbon 70, and bake (using a laser) for 10 min..." >Scientists have discovered that fullerenes are so strong that >they can survive the force of meteor impacts with the earth. This is not so big a surprise. While a meteor impact is a destructive thing, breakdown of molecules in an explosion is rare - a nuclear explosion is one of a very few events where molecular breakdown is a "sure thing". If molecular breakdown was a "risk" of even a large explosion, the forensic people would have little luck in finding clues. Plain old graphite has such weak bonds that even the pressure of your hand can cause the bonds to shear, and hence explains the action of pencils. Perhaps the comparison Joe quoted was a "surprise" as compared to graphite. Buncha Pop-Tarts, what did they expect? I used to Kick Butt, but now I Click Butt james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:31:29 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: (FYI) Copy of My E-Mail to Cinenet.net Just thought that all would like to see how to deal with BS like the "Is Your Computer Being Bugged" spam. I will also post any reply I get from Cinenet.net. I expect that they will reply rather quickly. <><><><> If You Cut Here, You May Damage Your Display <><><><> Shahril Ibrahim Chris Steinke Suresh Rajagopolan Postmaster (generic alias) Webmaster (generic alias) Cinenet Communications 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 406 Marina Del Rey, CA 90292 310-301-4500 Sirs: The attached e-mail was sent to the address: GEODESIC@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU which is the address of a e-mail mailing list, the "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works". This list is also "echoed" by the newsgroup: bit.listserv.geodesic This spam e-mail/posting: A) Is a blatant commercial spam, of no specific interest to any reader of this list. B) Contains a notice at the end of the message that refuses IN ADVANCE to stop spamming any group that makes such a request. C) Goes on to claim that they will attempt to bill a group or individual who cancels any newsgroup posting made by them, and turn such bills over to a "collection agency". It is therefore a "classic" example of misuse of internet privileges by the user(s) responsible for sending the message. It is also clearly extortion. Extortion is a criminal violation under both state and federal law. If more than one party engages in such extortion, RICO statutes apply to any and all conspirators. Please take action to halt this practice, and confirm that you have done so via e-mail to this address. For you own personal protection, and the protection of your business, you should report this activity to your local prosecutor, and cooperate fully with his/her investigation. While such "junk e-mail" causes no great harm to either the Bedford Advanced Technology Test Lab Effort (BATTLE), or the Information Supercollider itself, it does tend to confuse our e-mail parser/router. If the practice continues, we will conclude that you endorse or profit from the specific spam in question, and we will contact your upstream provider. 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A bill with proof >of cancellations made will be sent to all parties involved, plus, it will >of cancellations made will be sent to all parties involved, plus, it will >automatically be sent to Attorneys Specializing in Collections nationwide >automatically be sent to Attorneys Specializing in Collections nationwide >and worldwide. HLD PUBLISHING COMPANY will protect and maintain its interest. >and worldwide. HLD PUBLISHING COMPANY will protect and maintain its interest. > > I used to Kick Butt, but now I Click Butt james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:33:23 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tognon Marco Subject: Re: Is your computer being bugged???? No, but *I* am! >Steve Brant wrote: >ObligGeoDesicMaterial: > >One of the books I checked out years ago showed how to use geodesics to >form non-spherical forms. Eggs, weird bulges, etc. My thoughts, before >I know about free-span construction, was that a flat wall with geodesic >strength would be cool, Helo Steve, My name is Marco. Can you possibly find some references on that book you mention in your message? I'm very much interested in the basics of the non-spherical domes. I like to understand them. No where information on this topic is available. I checked "Dome 4.2" from our friend Rick Bono. Cool, but I like to understand the deformation of a sphere to get that result. Thank you from here in Belgium. Cheers, Marco ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:19:40 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: NONSPHERICAL GEODESICS (was bugged computer) In-Reply-To: <199607121833.UAA26085@ping1.ping.be>; from "Tognon Marco" at Jul 12, 96 8:33 pm Tognon Marco writes: > >Steve Brant wrote: > >ObligGeoDesicMaterial: > >One of the books I checked out years ago showed how to use geodesics to > >form non-spherical forms. Eggs, weird bulges, etc. My thoughts, before > >I know about free-span construction, was that a flat wall with geodesic > >strength would be cool, > Helo Steve, > My name is Marco. > Can you possibly find some references on that book you mention in your message? > I'm very much interested in the basics of the non-spherical domes. > I like to understand them. No where information on this topic is available. > I checked "Dome 4.2" from our friend Rick Bono. Cool, but I like to understand > the deformation of a sphere to get that result. > Thank you from here in Belgium. > Cheers, > Marco See: 'Geodesic Math & How to Use It' by Kenner, pages 84-94. 'Domebook 2' by Kahn, editor, pages 35-9, 111 and 124 'Dome Builder's Handbook No.2' by Yarnall, pages 40-3, 49-55 & back cover. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:11:39 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ralf Hoeller Subject: Re: RBF master index At 08:16 12.07.96 PDT, you wrote: >index is in the May and June '96 archives of the Geodesic list. See: > >http://ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu/~listserv/GEODESIC/ > Hi, whats wrong with your computers http://ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu/~listserv/GEODESIC/ The requested URL could not be retrieved was all i got. and when i tried http://ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu/~listserv/ i got: NPC-L National Press Club List HTTP/1.0 400 Cache Detected Error Server: squid/1.0.0 Date: Friday, 12-Jul-96 21:09:57 GMT Expires: Thursday, 01-Jan-70 00:00:00 GMT Last-Modified: Friday, 12-Jul-96 21:09:57 GMT Content-Type: text/html Content-Length: 570=20 The requested URL could not be retrieved While trying to retrieve the URL: http://ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu/~listserv/= =20 The following error was encountered:=20 Read Error=20 The system returned:=20 (131) Connection reset by peer This means that:=20 The remote site or network may be down. Please try again. normally i wouldn=B4t say anything, butits not the first time, to be honest i never ever got the geodesic page on my screen. regards ralf Gruss Ralf +---------------------------------------+ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | R a l f H oe l l e r | | diplomingenieur | | + architekt | | Osannstrasse 36 | | D-64285 Darmstadt | | Phone:+49.6151.43658 | | Fax:+49.6151.43658 | | | +---------------------------------------+ e-mail: Ralf.Hoeller@darmstadt.netsurf.de ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:02:56 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Brainstorming on BuckyWorks I wonder if in building greenhouse domes, if one used the small circle contruction, in which the lines around the dome were parallel to the ground, if one could then build solar relecting curtains which merely would be closed, over as much of the south facing part of the dome as was necessary, during the summer. Has anyone tried anything like this? Any reason why this would not work? Of course the rods would be curved and I don't know the best material for them. William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 08:49:33 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: Coxeter - summary chapter by chapter Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <31E6B356.44AD@netscape.com>; from "David Christie" at Jul 12, 96 1:19 pm Could someone post the Table of Contents of Coxeter's 'Regular Polytopes'? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 09:30:15 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: UBVM LISTSERV PROBLEMS The listserver at the Univ of Buffalo seems to be having major growing pains. All of the archives for all of their lists are not available, for now. I kept getting the message: "Alert--Unexpected network read error; connection aborted" Hopefully they will get things fixed within a reasonable period of time. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:27:02 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: 4-D rendering in Struck? Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <31E84239.47F3@wolfenet.com>; from "Karl Erickson" at Jul 13, 96 5:41 pm Karl Erickson writes: > btw, it seems i won't be able to get ahold of coxeter until tomorrow >From the above I assume Coxeter is still alive. Does he have an email address? Does he have a web page? What is his snail mail address? Do you have his phone number? His fax number? > -k. erixon - setebos@wolfe.net > http://www.wolfe.net/~setebos/ -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:35:07 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BUCKY'S BIRTHDAY Yesterday, July 12, was Bucky's birthday; he would have been 101 years old. It was also his wedding anniversary. Happy birthday, Bucky! -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 20:13:58 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gordon Smith Subject: Re: BUCKY'S BIRTHDAY We had a little geodesic cake for Bucky's Birthday, July 12. Also born on July 12 :Andrew Wyeth,Milton Berle, Pablo Neruda, Oscar Hammerstein,Modigliani,George Eastman,Henry David Thoreau,and last but not least, Julius Caesar. What a great day to be born! Best wishes! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 00:43:32 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Re: BUCKY'S BIRTHDAY I took the occation to call up BFI (where they were having a very quiet day) and order a copy of Thinking Out Loud, the PBS film. Happy Birthday Bucky! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 01:28:00 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: am27 Subject: Re: BUCKY'S BIRTHDAY In-Reply-To: <960714004332_433759402@emout15.mail.aol.com> Happy Birthday, to a real prophet and visionary - BUCKY!! -a. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:00:15 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Filip De Vos Organization: University of Ghent, Belgium Subject: Vickers Wellington Can somebody tell if the WWII medium bomber for the RAF, the Vickers Wellington, really was a 'geodesic' construction? And did this have advantages (strenght, low weight)? And why was this method of construction not used with other, later designs? (difficult to build?) -- Filip De Vos Better, Faster, Cheaper means *NO SHUTTLE* FilipPC.DeVos@rug.ac.be -Cathy Mancus- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 08:23:31 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Is your computer being bugged???? No, but *I* am! In article <31E653F2.F82@freenet.vcu.edu>, Marc Visconte writes: >Steve Brant wrote: >> >> Can you believe the balls on this guy? Claiming he's going to >> bill people $95 if they cancell his solicitations? >> Pretty strange!! > >I think you missed his message... he was saying that if you PAY him, HE >will cancel his abusive mail practices. If his email address is correct >(and there's no guarentee that is it), I've sent 8 copies of his letter >back to him. If he pays me $1,000,000, I'll stop. Grin. >But you are correct in your "Pretty Strange" assessment. I hope that we don't eventually have an internet that resembles commercial TV. William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:46:44 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Vickers Wellington In-Reply-To: <4sacuv$n60@infoserv.rug.ac.be>; from "Filip De Vos" at Jul 14, 96 9:00 am Filip De Vos writes: > Can somebody tell if the WWII medium bomber for the RAF, the Vickers > Wellington, really was a 'geodesic' construction? > And did this have advantages (strenght, low weight)? > And why was this method of construction not used with other, later > designs? (difficult to build?) > Filip De Vos Better, Faster, Cheaper means *NO SHUTTLE* > FilipPC.DeVos@rug.ac.be -Cathy Mancus- Can't answer all your questions, but I know of one book that has a picture and some description. See: 'The Bombers' by Robin Cross (1987), pages 88-9. Macmillan Publishing Co., New York, NY, USA According to the article the "fuselage was constructed using the geodetic method evolved in 1919 by Dr.Barnes Wallis..." Two of the advantages cited were "reserves of strength gave bombing aircraft the potential to absorbe heavy punishment and still remain airborne"; and "repair could be speedily effected by cutting out and replacing the small pieces of basketwork". One of the drawbacks was "a more complicated production process". The article doesn't really explain why the design was dropped. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 11:26:08 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: COXETER Comments: cc: Synergetics List PROFESSOR EMERITUS H.S.M. COXETER Department of Mathematics Sidney Smith Hall (North Wing) 100 St. George St., Room 4072 University of Toronto Toronto, ON, Canada, M5S 3G3 Email: mars@math.toronto.edu Phone: (416) 978-3323 Fax : (416) 978-4107 http://www.math.toronto.edu/~coxeter/ -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 00:11:35 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tognon Marco Subject: Books on Geodesic Maths; Again? Sure, why not? Wel, here I'm back again... >From time to time I ask where some one gets his information from. I allways receive the same answers, so I assume they are truth. Do I have to think then, that these books that are referenced in the answers, are only available in the US? That only the US can have that knowledge? I can be wrong, but then tell me so and prove it to me. I can not find a way to lay my hands on the following books, to start with: 'Geodesic Math & How to Use It' by Kenner. 'Domebook 2' by Kahn, editor. 'Dome Builder's Handbook No.2' by Yarnall. I posted once a message about copy rights on these books. Are they still copy right? May they be copied? Can they be found some where? If some one out there is ready to sell me a copy, or send it to me so that I can have a look at the contents, let me know. It would be very much appreciated. Bye for now and thanks, Marco Tognon ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:49:35 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: syn-l: Coxeter Table of Contents (fwd) David Christie writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Sun Jul 14 18:36:03 1996 > Message-ID: <31E9A110.7729@netscape.com> > Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 18:38:24 -0700 > From: David Christie > Organization: Netscape Communications, Inc. > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win95; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: syn-l: Coxeter Table of Contents > References: <9607130849.aa27816@cruzio.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > Joe Moore wrote: > > > > Could someone post the Table of Contents of Coxeter's > > 'Regular Polytopes'? > > > Well, OK. But I'm not typing it ALL in. (I gotta buy a scanner.) > > Regular Polytopes > H.S.M. Coxeter > Third Edition > Dover Publications, New York > (It's $8.95 paperback.) > > > Preface to the Third Edition > > Preface to the First Edition > > > > As the for the analogous figures in four or more > dimensions, we can never fully comprehend them by direct > observation. In attempting to do so, however, we seem > to peep through a chink in the wall of our physical > limitations, into a new world of dazzling beauty. Such > an escape from the turbulence of ordinary life will > perhaps help to keep us sane. On the other hand, a > reader whose standpoint is more severely practical may > take comfort in Lobatschewsky's assertion that "there > is no branch of mathematics, however abstract, which > may not some day be applied to phenomena of the real > world". > > > > 1. Polygons and Polyhedra > > 1.1 Regular Polygons > 1.2 Polyhedra > 1.3 The five Platonic Solids > 1.4 Graphs and maps > 1.6 "A voyage round the world" > 1.6 Euler's formula > 1.7 Regular maps > 1.8 Configurations > 1.9 Historical remarks > > 2. Regular and Quasi-regular Solids > > 2.1 Regular polyhedra > 2.2 Reciprocation > 2.3 Quasi-regular polyhedra > 2.4 Radii and angles > 2.5 Descartes' Formula > 2.6 Petrie polygons > 2.7 The rhombic dodecahedron and triacontahedron > 2.8 Zonohedra > 2.9 Historical remarks > > 3. Rotation Groups > > > > 4. Tessellations and Honeycombs > > > > 5. The Kaleidoscope > > > > 6. Star-Polyhedra > > > > 7. Ordinary Polytopes in Higher Space > > 7.1 Dimensional analogy > 7.2 Pyramids, dipyramids, and prisms > 7.3 The general sphere > 7.4 Polytopes and honeycombs > 7.5 Regularity > 7.6 The symmetry group of the general regular polytope > 7.7 Schlafli's criterion > 7.8 The enumeration of possible regular figures > 7.9 The characteristic simplex > 7.x Historical remarks > > 8. Truncation > > 8.1 The simple truncations of the general regular polytope > 8.2 Ceasro's construction for {3,4,3} > 8.3 Coherent indexing > 8.4 The snub {3,4,3} > 8.5 Gosset's construction for {3,3,5} > 8.6 Partial truncation, or alternation > 8.7 Cartesian coordinates > 8.8 Metrical properties > 8.9 Historical remarks > > 9. Poincare's Proof of Euler's Formula > > > > 10. Forms, Vectors, and Coordinates > > > > 11. The Generalized Kaleidoscope > > > > 12. The Generalized Petrie Polygon > > > > 13. Sections and Projections > > 13.1 The porincipal sections of the regular polytopes > 13.2 Orthogonal projection onto a hyperplane > 13.3 Plane projections of [generalized tet, octa, cube] > 13.4 New coordinates for [generalized tet and octa] > 13.5 The dodecagonal projection of {3,4,3} > 13.6 The triacontagonal projection of {3,3,5} > 13.7 Eutactic stars > 13.8 Shadows of measure polytopes > 13.9 Historical remarks > > 14. Star-Polytopes > > > > Eplilogue > > Definition of Symbols > > Tables > > I Regular polytopes > II Regular honeycombs > III Schwarz's triangles > IV Fundamental regions for irreducible groups generated by > reflections > V The distributions of verticies of four-dimensional polytopes > in parallel solid sections > VI The derivation of four-dimensional start-polytopes and > compounds by faceting the convex regular polytopes > VII Regular compounds in four dimensions > VIII The number of regular polytopes and honeycombs > > Bibliograpgy > > Index > > -- > David Christie Netscape Communications Corporation > dc@netscape.com 501 East Middlefield Road > 415-937-4407 Mountain View, CA 94043 > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:15:24 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Books on Geodesic Maths; Again? Sure, why not? In-Reply-To: <199607142211.AAA05486@ping1.ping.be>; from "Tognon Marco" at Jul 15, 96 12:11 am Tognon Marco writes: > Wel, here I'm back again... > From time to time I ask where some one gets his information from. > I allways receive the same answers, so I assume they are truth. > Do I have to think then, that these books that are referenced in the answers, > are only available in the US? That only the US can have that knowledge? > I can be wrong, but then tell me so and prove it to me. I can not find a way > to lay my hands on the following books, to start with: > > 'Geodesic Math & How to Use It' by Kenner. > 'Domebook 2' by Kahn, editor. > 'Dome Builder's Handbook No.2' by Yarnall. All out of print. > I posted once a message about copy rights on these books. > Are they still copy right? Yes > May they be copied? Not without the copyright owner's permission. > Can they be found some where? > If some one out there is ready to sell me a copy, or send it to me so that > I can have a look at the contents, let me know. > It would be very much appreciated. > Bye for now and thanks, > Marco Tognon Have you tried the interlibrary loan service of your local library? I've borrowed books from all over the US and Canada. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:08:44 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: B-stormin' on B-works (B2) - Ch 1: The User Interface Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com, wholesys-l@netcom.com Comments: cc: bfi@aol.com DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT Brainstorming on BuckyWorks Chapter 1: The User Interface by Kirby Urner 7-15-96 A dwelling utility with Java-enabled appliances and environment controls would need control panels from whence users could manually override and otherwise manipulate any user-inputs. A cost-effective approach to panel design uses HTML-embedded Java applets, which allows for easy reformatting and customization of controls according to well-known standards, while providing continuity with remote-server accessibility. Tech support could easily call up a troublesome page and help operators debug various problems. Java's security features will keep the dwelling's environment controls from being meddled with by unwelcome intruders, even at times when certain controls may have been made accessible, for debugging or discussion purposes. Of course HTML is good for embedding more than simply Java. A Windows-based pod might tie the coffee-maker, air conditioning, light depolorizers (variable-light windows), solar collectors, battery units etc. to custom applications with an OLE link to HTML front ends. The reason for favoring Java might be the pedigree of the Java language: it originally grew up in a device-controlling context (but then so did C, or even ADA for that matter). There's nothing to keep an operator from gathering her own favorite devices and drivers and writing controlling language in Visual FoxPro, for example. Here, the devices themselves will be 'black boxes' concealed in wrapper classes, with the user's native language cementing the devices in a common database table-driven environment, which may be ideal for some applications (our dwelling units are not uniformly deployed, we must keep reiterating -- it's not useful to overspecialize the dwelling unit concept when giving broad parameterizations regarding their internals). In any case, the central schematic is of user-controllable electronics with automatic features, based on various optimization schemes, including fuzzy logic. Especially with regard to environment controls, where counterproductive heating and cooling strategies can gobble precious wattage, taking away from the other electronics, optimization is critical. The downloading dish (or other device) will allow operators in the field to try out the most robust beta and commercial device driver suites, which will be tied into the dwelling's other parameter sets (e.g. battery level, collector efficiency, insulation rating etc. -- both constant and variable settings) to provide optimized ways of providing comfort amidst a unique, customizable ensemble of trade-offs and constraints. The village model brings a new level of VLSI to the picture, with a central server keeping tabs on numerous workspace-level stats, while having central responsibility for shared resource and energy harvesting equipment (e.g. the communal solar farm and hydrogen-by-electrolysis fuel harvesting plant). Village-level software needs to accommodate both long and short term needs, e.g. building up the hydrogen supply during off-peak usage periods. Villages with power-feed respons- ibilities, e.g. those tending micro-hydel or other energy- source inputs to a more central grid, will likewise use control panelling on a more central server to balance village needs with export/trade formulas negotiated over time, used to bring in various currencies and credits required for accessing remote hosts (which might be other villages, institutions of higher learning, or corporate inventories). Whether Java comprises the low-level device driving language for all of these dwelling unit and village level applications is not an issue to speculate about: people with strong competence in whatever device-control language will be in a position to bundle useful tools with software controls and a well-defined parameter set (output readouts) plus API (callable routines). Middle-ware can get between the device API-readouts and the user, sometimes hiding low-level device controls in Java wrapper classes or some other language more familiar to the end user. The market needs to keep the space for user-intervention wide open, as many of the operators who download new controllers will also be in the business of writing the next generation and need to be allowed into whatever internals have relevance to their task, provided they have the requisite training (test modeling requires relatively little training, but software bound for FTP sites and the general public will have to go through stringent testing, meaning its developers will retreat to the drawing boards numerous times in any typical scenario where total quality management practices are in effect). Prototyping of cooling controls in the Arizona desert can be uncomfortable work for those field-testing next year's model, but the work is interesting, and we'll presume last year's Airstream in the background, with its clunky, inefficient air conditioning, available as a fall-back. The after market here envisioned parallels the desktop computer industry in that hardware is sold bundled with device driving software and documentation. The higher end hardware has EPROM or other FLASH-type memory allowing as much of the device driving as is practical to remain at the software level, hardware electronics phasing in only at the level where dedicated mechanics are required to optimize performance (where speed and throughput considerations usually predominate). Since changes to the API will have ripple effects when devices are embedded in the local ecology, upgrade paths must be well signed. Users who download a new driver for their coffee-maker need to be clearly warned if the ON switch has been coupled with a self-turnoff default or of any other bell/whistle that, if not documented, might result in cold coffee at 6 AM, or worse. Most standard configurations of dwelling machine will be leased with preinstalled drivers all known to be well-behaved and compatible with one another, and the models used to control these devices will be standardized around a few simple concepts. The fine tuning and super-optimization experiments resulting in highly efficient designs for desert living and so on, will be part of the after market, with standard unit vendors having the option to enter into this field or not, depending on a host of factors. A vendor based in a harsh environment, like Siberia, had better provide robust heat control ensembles or go out of business. But this vendor may rely on distant sources for its Siberia-rated hardware/software (Nordic input is likely on this front). Whereas the standard model has internal climate-control and internet/intranet capabilities, specialized models will add or subtract features as needed. One of the more specialized add-ons is the pneumatic VR workstation, which supports the user on a spatially adjustable platform, usually a chair, where tilt and roll are software-linked to the display (either in-helmet or on screen). Some kinds of development work, either for the entertainment industry, flight, submarine or terrain vehicle simulation, require such pneumatic (or other servo-mechanism) controls for realism. Pods which combine such features with standard kitchenette, head, studio, and sleep space will be prone to their own brand of problem. Tech support for VR requires a special breed of remote user, willing to patch in to an operators problem VR program and feel the buck-and-twist of Mr. Toad's Wild Ride through some wild simulation. In special situations, crash dummies should be substituted for the flesh and blood user. --------------------- You saw it first on: synergetics-l, geodesic, wholesys-l ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:57:58 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Query Q001, 1 hits: FIND geodesic and buckminster (fwd) Comments: cc: Synergetics List User-Services@Reference.COM writes: > From frodo.reference.com!reference.com!query-bounces Mon Jul 15 16:53:18 1996 > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:44:21 -0700 (PDT) > Message-Id: <199607152344.QAA14546@frodo.reference.com> > Subject: Query Q001, 1 hits: FIND geodesic and buckminster > From: User-Services@Reference.COM > Reply-To: Email-Queries@Reference.COM > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Precedence: bulk > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > X-Expires-At: Thu Jun 26 14:27:44 1997 > X-Run-Every: 1 day > X-Last-Run-At: Sun Jul 14 16:43:14 1996 > > -------------------------------- > For a user manual: User-Manual@Reference.COM > For human help: User-Services@Reference.COM > For further queries: Email-Queries@Reference.COM > > This query brought to you by ILP > "Dedicated to making India 100% literate" > http://www-plateau.cs.berkeley.edu/people/radhika/ilp/ilp.html > > 1 documents found (1446536 scanned) > -------------------------------- > > Article-ID: 07_1996&1417150 > Score: 92 > Subject: "Build America" talks about "BUCKY" on this week's show..."Live" on the Interent..!!! > From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" > Date: Sun Jul 14 17:58:42 1996 > Message-ID: <4sc542$68g@twizzler.callamer.com> > Newsgroups: alt.architecture > > Don't miss this week's "Build America Radio News Magazine, when Randy and > Steve will talk to J. Baldwin, who worked with the inventor of the > geodesic dome and genius: Buckminster Fuller for over 30 years, and is the > author of "BUCKY WORKS - BUCKMINSTER FULLER IDEAS FOR TODAY". Mr. Baldwin > will share his experiences and storys about his life with "Bucky", who is > regarded as the "Leonardo da Vinci of the 20th century". > > And of course, we'll have our regular features: Webhead Alan Wickstrom and > the "BuildingOnline Web Review", and the "Build America Tool Box" with > Andrea Butz....ALL OF THE LATEST AND GREATEST NEWS AND INFORMATION ABOUT > THE HOME IMPROVEMENT, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY...heard "Live" on > the Internet every Monday at 4:05 PDT. Check out the "Build America" web > site at http://www.buildamerica.com for information about the show and how > to hear it on a computer near you... > > Talk to you in cyberspace........!!! > > ---------------------------------- > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:45:21 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Paging Ted Zeigler Is Ted Zeigler a member of this group? I see from his literature that he discovered Bucky in 1964 and, eventually, started the Nomadic Display company. If he is (or if any of you know him), I would like to talk to him about his product (a wonderful system for promoting one's business at a convention. All the structures expand from a compacted stored condition.) Thanks, everyone. Steve Brant ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:02:13 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: First Contact (fwd) DomeHome-H writes: > From ns-1.csn.net!h19.hoflin.com!domehome-h Tue Jul 16 09:52:54 1996 > Message-Id: <199607161649.JAA16421@sonnet1.sonnet.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:55:24 -0800 > To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com > From: DomeHome-H > Sender: Dave & Kathy > Subject: First Contact > > Hello out there... > > My name is Dave, and I've been a dome addict for 18 years. Ignoring advice > from my father the engineer, my partner the building contractor, and my > neighbor the lumber mill owner, I started my project in July 1978. > > My dad had a 40 acre parcel on top of a 3000ft mountain. Perfect for a > dome since nobody could build an ugly square house next to me making mine > the stupid looking one. > > I elected to build a 39 footer. I liked the 8 foot increments. I tucked > it into the mountain with a half-basement, and used a 4ft riser to give the > loft more... loft. The redwood deck around it is a giant square. > > I'm a professional musician. Banjo, Mandolin, Fiddle... that kind of > crap. I'm in a successful duo called "Doodoo Wah." I doubt if you've > heard of us, but you may have heard one of our songs. "We're all working > for the Japanese" was recorded by Ray Stevens and rose to #53 on the > Country charts before being quashed for it's political incorrectness. > Check out our Web Page. The address is so long, I don't even know it! > Just go to Yahoo (or any other search generator) and enter "Doodoo Wah" > you'll find us. > > I don't want this intro letter to go on and on, so I'll finish here with > the hope that you will contact me with any comments or questions. > > Later... > Dave Cavanagh > kukuwah@sonnet.com > > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:46:06 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Menno-Jan Kraak Organization: Faculty of Geodetic Engineering Subject: SDH NEWS FLASH Comments: To: geo-newsgroups@geo.tudelft.nl ************************************************* NEWSFLASH Seventh International Symposium on SPATIAL DATA HANDLING August 12-16 ************************************************* FINAL PROGRAMME & INVITATION TO ATTEND ************************************************* Registration Fee: Dfl. 675.00 Student Fee: Dfl. 425.00 detailed information: http://www.geo.tudelft.nl/~sdh96/ alternative lodging: http://www.xxlink.nl/cities/delft or e-mail to sdh96@geo.tudelft.nl ************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:11:40 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: syn-l: About Phi and tree houses (fwd) David Christie writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Wed Jul 17 03:50:00 1996 > Message-ID: <31EC8DF2.3CFA@netscape.com> > Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:53:43 -0700 > From: David Christie > Organization: Netscape Communications, Inc. > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win95; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: "Gerald A. de Jong" > CC: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: syn-l: About Phi and tree houses > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6AB1257A5ECA" > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------6AB1257A5ECA > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Gerald, long ago I asked you why Phi was important to Spring Theory, and > you replied. > > The trouble with being grown up is you start forgetting your childhood. > > I recently remembered I have encountered Phi before, in the tensegrity > icosahedron. The 6 rods in it are of length Phi where the cables > (icosa edges) are of length 1. I recall using the 1.61... fraction to > calculate the rod and cable lengths when I built a tensegrity icosa > circa 1970, seventy five feet up in a white pine tree in Vermont. The > rods were about eight feet long, the edges about five feet. > > It served as the frame for a tree house, and had the unique property > that it allowed the two trees supporting it to move independently. > > You know the six rods in a tensegrity icosa? Three pairs, with each > pair parallel and one edge distance apart? The three pairs are oriented > like x,y,z axes, but pairs of axes instead of single axes. You probably > know this structure well, but below is my .rbf file for it. A unique > property of the rods is that they move only in their respective planes, > toward and away from their partners. So one pair moves along the x > axis, one along the y, and one along the z, as the structure oscillates > around equilibrium. Each pair moves only in one dimension, so to speak. > > The thing was built in a tree with two trunks, nearly parallel and about > five feet apart at a height of 75 feet from the ground. The trunks > served as one pair of rods - cable ends were secured to ring bolts > through the trunks at two points on each trunk, 5 * Phi feet apart. > > One of the other pair of rods was horizontal and supported the tree > house itself, which was a kind of boat, on rollers. It was about 8 feet > by four (one sheet of plywood) in floor area, and fit between the tree > trunks leaving them some room to move toward each other without > touching it. As the trees moved together and apart, the tensegrity > structure flexed, and the horizontal rods moved back and forth (toward > and away from each other) under the floor rollers, but they always > remained horizontal with respect to the ground and at the same distance > from the ground, and so did the house. > > A system of sliding connections to the third pair of rods, which were > above and below the tree house, kept it centered, so it did not move at > all. This third set of rods moved up and down, but never sideways. The > end result was that everything moved except the house itself -- all the > rods, all the cables, the tree itself -- but not the house. > > Actually if both trunks swayed north together, the house moved north, of > course. But when they swayed toward or away from each other, the house > stayed in place. > > Most importantly, the trees were allowed their usual independent motion, > but still supported the house. Their motion was restrained or dampened > if it got too severe by the tension in the structure, which tried to > remain at equilibrium and keep the trunks their natural distance apart. > So the tree was stronger than without the structure in it -- rather > like the cables tree surgeons add to strengthen tree limbs, but less > rigid. > > A white pine is a very pliable tree, and the winters in Vermont are > severe -- I feared rigid structures secured directly to the trunks > would damage it. I wanted to hang the whole thing from ring bolts > to avoid damaging the soft bark, but I didn't want the house to > tilt. This way it remained absolutely horizontal. Anyway it was great > fun building it. I have never found another practical (?) use for the > tensegrity icosa, which surely deserves one, it is such a great > structural invention. > > Years later, the piece of land it was on was sold, and the new owner > logged it. I found the wreckage of the tree top afterwards. The > tensegrity had come down in one piece; obviously the first trunk had > hung up on the second and come down only after the second was cut. The > structure deformed only after the structure hit the ground and some of > the rods shattered (they were made of lumber, and the cable fittings on > their ends broke). The structure was intact modulo some broken rods and > the two treetops were still yoked together. > > Now I recall that Hugh Kenner's book, "Geodesic Math", explained the Phi > relationship and other geometric properties of the tensegrity icosa. > Unfortunately I lost the book years ago, and have been unable to replace > it, since it's out of print. I did a used book search without success. > That was a neat book, very well written. You have probably seen his > famous book on Fuller entitled "Bucky", which is also marvelous, but > "Geodesic Math" is less widely known. > -- > David Christie Netscape Communications Corporation > dc@netscape.com 501 East Middlefield Road > 415-937-4407 Mountain View, CA 94043 > > --------------6AB1257A5ECA > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="t-icosa.rbf" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="t-icosa.rbf" > > RBF_Begin > J -0.785718 0.107209 0.557375 > J -0.102412 -0.601884 0.752118 > J 0.107705 0.459564 0.847042 > J 0.789648 -0.201717 0.524656 > J 0.380147 -0.889741 -0.079931 > J 0.685849 0.680586 0.057761 > J -0.690774 -0.679728 -0.057697 > J 0.785982 -0.106122 -0.557244 > J -0.107868 -0.460596 -0.845249 > J -0.375272 0.888668 0.079792 > J -0.789476 0.202825 -0.524546 > J 0.102189 0.600938 -0.754077 > S1 0 3 > S1 7 10 > S1 1 8 > S1 2 11 > S1 4 5 > S1 6 9 > S0 1 6 > S0 0 1 > S0 0 6 > S0 9 0 > S0 2 0 > S0 4 1 > S0 3 1 > S0 2 9 > S0 5 2 > S0 3 2 > S0 3 5 > S0 4 3 > S0 8 4 > S0 7 4 > S0 11 5 > S0 7 5 > S0 10 6 > S0 8 6 > S0 7 11 > S0 7 8 > S0 10 8 > S0 10 9 > S0 11 9 > S0 11 10 > RBF_End > > --------------6AB1257A5ECA-- > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:03:02 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marco Tognon Subject: Re: Books on Geodesic Maths; Again? Sure, why not? OK, I'm stuborn, but at least I try, try and try again. Tell me what else can I do. If I have to look at the messages that have been returned, I have to conclude that only a very few of us do own the books mentioned. I found out that the Interlibrary Loan Service in Belgium is not the same as in the US. They told me if the books are not available, then they have to be ordered in the US. And what happens next? Guess what? They make copies (in the US....) and the copies will become mine.... (we do not mention the cost, they think it will become a bit expensive) So, I say, what about the copyrights then? Are libraries a sort of "copy whatever you want and pay not..." and we, poor little men, prosecuted in the event of such a copyright enfringment? I'm wordless. But to come back to the books mentioned; You say that the copyrights are to the copyrights owners. Fair enough and I understand this for a 100 percent. But what if they are dead? What if the books are out of print (like now) I like to pay a fair price for a legal copy of these books. The question is now how to get such a legal copy. Now, the next step is obvious and who is to blame? I like to get reactions from not only you Joe, but also from others. It's time to try to bring these books in circulation again. People must have the chance to read them, to understand the matter and to bring it into practice. Or are we only a group of weird geodesic fanatics? >Tognon Marco writes: >> Wel, here I'm back again... >> From time to time I ask where some one gets his information from. >> I allways receive the same answers, so I assume they are truth. >> Do I have to think then, that these books that are referenced in the answers, >> are only available in the US? That only the US can have that knowledge? >> I can be wrong, but then tell me so and prove it to me. I can not find a way >> to lay my hands on the following books, to start with: >> >> 'Geodesic Math & How to Use It' by Kenner. >> 'Domebook 2' by Kahn, editor. >> 'Dome Builder's Handbook No.2' by Yarnall. > >All out of print. > >> I posted once a message about copy rights on these books. >> Are they still copy right? > >Yes > >> May they be copied? > >Not without the copyright owner's permission. > >> Can they be found some where? >> If some one out there is ready to sell me a copy, or send it to me so that >> I can have a look at the contents, let me know. >> It would be very much appreciated. > >Have you tried the interlibrary loan service of your local library? I've >borrowed books from all over the US and Canada. Bye for now and thanks, Marco Tognon ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:12:10 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: No More "Is Your Computer Bugged" As promised, I am posting the reply to my complaint about the above-mentioned recent spam. Here it is: >Return-path: >From: Si8888@aol.com >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:23:18 -0400 >To: jfischer@supercollider.com >Cc: sraja@cinenet.net, cjs@cinenet.net >Subject: Re: Extortion By One Of Your Customers > >Hi > >The user hldco has been cancelled - we do not condone his >actions and our policy is to reprimand and >terminate users who spam the internet > >Sincerely > >Shahril Ibrahim I used to Kick Butt, but now I Click Butt james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:33:51 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DOME BOOKS UPDATE Comments: cc: kmorrill@unlinfo2.unl.edu BOOKS ABOUT BUILDING GEODESIC DOMES by Joe S. Moore, Revised 7-17-96 YEAR T_____I_____T_____L_____E A__U__T__H__O__R 1968 GEODESICS EDWARD POPKO 1970 DOMEBOOK ONE LLOYD KAHN, EDITOR 1971 DOMEBOOK TWO LLOYD KAHN, EDITOR 1973 DOME BUILDER'S HANDBOOK JOHN PRENIS, EDITOR 1975 DOME NOTES PETER HJERSMAN 1975 BUILD YOUR LOW-COST HOME HEXADOME STAFF 1976 POLYHEDRA: A VISUAL APPROACH ANTHONY PUGH 1976 GEODESIC MATH AND HOW TO USE IT HUGH KENNER 1978 DOME BUILDER'S HANDBOOK NO. 2 WILLIAM YARNALL 1979 THE OWNER BUILD DOME HOME: A HOW-TO-DO-IT BOOK GENE HOPSTER 1981 HOW TO DESIGN AND BUILD YOUR DOME HOME GENE HOPSTER 1981 GEODESIC FLOOR PLANS CATHERDRALITE STAFF 1981 THE DOME SCRAP BOOK GEODESIC SERVICES, INC. 1981 DOMES COME TRUE NATURAL SPACES STAFF 1985 GEODESIC DOMES, INC., CATALOG G.D.I. STAFF 1987 ANTENNAS FOR COMMUNICATIONS CATALOG RONALD POSNER 1988 THE GUIDE TO CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT ROGER BOOTHE 1991 TIMBERLINE GEODESICS CATALOG TIMBERLINE STAFF 1992 TIMBERLINE GEODESICS FLOOR PLANS TIMBERLINE STAFF 1993 GEODOMES ARCHITECTURAL PLANS BOOK GEODOMES WOODWORKS STAFF 1993 GEODOMES CUSTOM HOME KITS GEODOMES WOODWORKS STAFF 1993 ALL ABOUT DOMES NATURAL SPACES STAFF 1996 SHELTER SYSTEMS CATALOG BOB GILLIS -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:28:31 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Buckminister and Bunder Comments: To: LBunder@aol.com In-Reply-To: <960717155057_362836882@emout07.mail.aol.com>; from "LBunder@aol.com" at Jul 17, 96 3:50 pm LBunder@aol.com writes: > I am running searches on my family name which is Bunder and I am curious when > I ran a search on the Internet you posted the following details. Could you > explain what it is? > > 24. BALE BUNDER "WINDHU ANNE BALI UBUD CAMPUAN" DOME, 1967 R.Buckminster Fuller attended a series of meetings in Penang, Malaysia, called the Campuan Meetings. I assume the above sentence is in whatever language they speak in Malaysia. "Anne" was Fuller's wife's first name. See: The Artifacts of R.Buckminster Fuller, Volume Four (1985), page 143. > Leslie Bunder -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:10:46 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Merlin Levine Subject: BUCKYBALL BOOKS: The best!? For those interested in the leading edge of science, cosmology, and 5-fold symmetry: The best book on buckminsterfullerenes that I've come across is: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ FULLERENCE C60: History, Physics, Nanobiology, Nanotechnology ~ ~ by Djuro Koruga, Stuart Hameroff, James Withers, ~ Raoulf Loutfy, and Malur Sundareshan ~ ~ Published by Elsevier Science Publishers B.B ~ Amsterdam, The Netherlands ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The frontispiece of this book reads: C60, twindle star! Tell me now how you are. I am smiling at the Sun, I love thee; I am goddess of the New Moon, I love thee; I am a calm lightning point: The Golden Mean! As a Being of the Sun, That you have seen. >From the Preface: "...Althought Buckmisnter Fuller, from whom Fullerenes get their name, lived in the century, the Fullerene story (with its ties to symmetry) predates modern science. The history of fivefold symmetry and the icosahedron as mathematical-philosophical concept started with the ancient civilizations of Egypt, China, India, Greece, and the Mayans. ... " The structure of the book: PART I: SCIENCE of FULLERENE C60 "Universe is not a system. Universe is not a shape. Universe is a scenario. You are always in Universe. You can only get out of Systems." -RBF- 1. History of Fullerence C60, including Life of Bucky and Synergy Concept 2. The Icosahedron: Symmetry and Golden Mean Properties 3. Symmetry of Electronic and Vibrational Structure of C60 4. Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Images and Vibrational-Rotational Spectra of C60 PART II: FROM NANOBIOLOGY TO NANOTECHNOLOGY "Universe is technology -- the most comprehensively complex technology. Human organisms are Universe's most complex local technologies." -RBF- 5. Bio-Fullerenes 6. Intelligence Within Cells: Bio-Fullerene Information Processing 7. From Nanobiology to Nanotechnology: Basic Concept PART III: Bullerence C60 Production, Technology & Applications "The scenario events of Universe are the regenerative interactions of all other and me. Universe is the starting point for any study of synergetic phenomena. Universe is the minimum of inter-transformings necessary for total self-regeneration." -RBF- 8. Fullerene Production 9. Nanotechnology of C60 10. Electrochemistry of Fullerenes and Its Applications >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joe Moore wrote: >BUCKYBALL BOOKS > >'Perfect Symmetry: The Accidental Discovery of Buckminsterfullerene' >by Jim Baggott >1994, Oxford University Press > >'The Most Beautiful Molecule' >by Hugh Aldersey-Williams >1995, John Wilwy & Sons, Inc. > >See: 'Bucky Works', pages 74-5 > 'Cosmography', page 67 note > >JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > > / \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \ \_/ Rick Merlin Levine, Redmond WA _/ \ VOX (206)882-3481 \_/ \_/ / \_/ \ rlevine@halcyon.com http://www.halcyon.com/rlevine/ / \_/ \ \_/ \_/ ------------------------------------------------------- \_/ \_/ / \_/ "When the digital revolution rolls over you, you're _/ \_/ \ \_/ \_ either part of the streamroller or part of the road." / \_/ \_/ / \_/ \_/ \_/ (W I R E D M A G A Z I N E ) \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:34:21 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Re: No More "Is Your Computer Bugged" Let's here it for Jim Fischer, all around protector of our list from strange people with no integrity. Maybe we should call him Jim "GAMMD" Fischer (as in Go Ahead, Make My Day). Steve Brant ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:56:15 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: BUCKYBALL BOOKS: The best? Rick Merlin Levine said: >The best book on buckminsterfullerenes that I've come across is: > FULLERENCE C60: History, Physics, Nanobiology, Nanotechnology I rather liked: "Perfect Symmetry: The Accidental Discovery of Buckminsterfullerene" (Jim Baggott, Oxford University Press, 1994) As it provided both a non-technical story line for the general public AND enough detail to keep a physics or chemistry major interested. But, each to his own... I used to Kick Butt, but now I Click Butt james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:34:56 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marco Tognon Subject: Books on Geodesic Maths; Again? Sure, why not? OK, Some reactions got in. A list with books and up to date... > BOOKS ABOUT BUILDING GEODESIC DOMES > by Joe S. Moore, Revised 7-17-96 >From Michael Rowland, > >We are weird... > >Marco brings up a good question, though. How about those precious volumes that >are no longer in print? I would LOVE to see some of the books mentioned in the >conversations in this List. I find myself wishing that some new or existing >foundation (hint, hint) would take on the task of acquiring legal right to >distribute such intellectual materials. > >How about it? Give us your thoughts and tell us what YOU like to happen next... Marco Tognon, Belgium ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:32:43 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Wuerdeman Organization: Wuerd Systems Subject: Re: DOME BOOKS UPDATE OK, now how about a list of "monolithic" dome books! Todd ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:36:07 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: DOME BOOKS UPDATE In-Reply-To: <31EE915B.1373@pcix.com>; from "Wuerdeman" at Jul 18, 96 12:32 pm Wuerdeman writes: > OK, now how about a list of "monolithic" dome books! > Todd I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean. A list of books from Monolithic Domes Co? Or a list of books about domes constructed in a monolithic way? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:02:47 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Christina Goestl Subject: Re: Books on Geodesic Maths; Again? Sure, why not? >A list with books and up to date... >> BOOKS ABOUT BUILDING GEODESIC DOMES >> by Joe S. Moore, Revised 7-17-96 > >>From Michael Rowland, >> >>We are weird... >> >>Marco brings up a good question, though. How about those precious volumes that >>are no longer in print? I would LOVE to see some of the books mentioned in the >>conversations in this List. I find myself wishing that some new or existing >>foundation (hint, hint) would take on the task of acquiring legal right to >>distribute such intellectual materials. >> >>How about it? > >Give us your thoughts and tell us what YOU like to happen next... > >Marco Tognon, Belgium > > Hi ! Ok, I'll tell you: Reprint "Synergetics" ! Make it available ! I've borrought it from a lucky person but - you know - its something you wanna have next to you for years or even all your life long. Christina aka Kagran kagran@t0.or.at networker Public Netbase http://www.t0.or.at ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:22:57 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FULLERENE FUEL PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 Contact: Jim Doyle, JPL FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE December 4, 1991 A soccerball-shaped carbon molecule may be the perfect propellant for a type of spacecraft engine that produces thrust by expelling charged atoms or molecules. Stephanie D. Leifer, an engineer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and Winston A. Saunders of the California Institute of Technology, propose to use the molecule Carbon 60 as a fuel in ion engines. These engines, which generate thrust by ionizing and accelerating propellants, use less fuel than conventional chemical thrusters. Leifer believes Carbon 60 has properties that will reduce the energy required to ionize the propellant. "For applications where it is desirable to operate at relatively low to moderate exhaust velocity, ion engines using low ion mass propellants become less efficient," Leifer said. "A large molecule such as Carbon 60 would allow for more efficient operation at low exhaust velocities," she said. Because the structure of Carbon 60 resembles a geodesic dome, it also is called "buckminsterfullerene" in honor of the dome's inventor, R. Buckminster Fuller. Scientists informally refer to the molecules as buckyballs. JPL and Caltech have started a joint effort to examine the use of Carbon 60 in ion thrusters. The program will study basic properties of the molecule important to ion propulsion, and will evaluate it as a fuel in a small ion engine testbed. The first practical application of ion engines most likely will be in orbital transfer missions and station-keeping for satellites in geosynchronous orbit 22,300 miles above Earth. Later, Carbon 60 could give advanced ion engines much higher thrust and power levels than are possible today. "This project is an excellent example of looking beyond one's sub-specialty to find new and potentially useful technologies," said Saunders. "Stephanie and I got together over lunch one day to talk about using clusters in ion thrusters. I knew something about Carbon 60, but nothing at all about ion engines. She knew about the current limitations and requirements of ion engines. On the spot we cooked up this idea to use C60 and within 2 weeks we had filed a patent disclosure. "It's the kind of synergistics Buckminster Fuller advocated," he added. #1405 12/3/91jjd -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:01:05 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marco Tognon Subject: Re: DOME BOOKS UPDATE >OK, now how about a list of "monolithic" dome books! > >Todd > > Helo Todd, The only way to find out, is to keep on asking. I do it and if you do it and every body else, then maybe we will find the books where every body is talking about and refering to in km-long listings and references. It's time to wake up and do something about it. Maybe this can be something for Hoflin publising, the publischers of "Dome Magazine" Titles: The return of Eduard Popko and his geodesic math, The return of Lloyd Khan and his Domebooks, The return of Hugh Kenner and how to use geodesic maths, etc, etc, etc... I'm willing to pay a fair price and that the copyright owners will receive their share. Only if we keep on asking, something will change. But if we stay and do not move, nothing will happen. I'll ask again; "What about reprinting these books?" Question to you all... Marco from Belgium ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:06:58 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marco Tognon Subject: Re: Books on Geodesic Maths; Again? Sure, why not? Good, something is coming(?) a reaction: > >Hi ! >Ok, I'll tell you: >Reprint "Synergetics" ! Make it available ! >I've borrought it from a lucky person but - you know - its something you >wanna have next to you for years or even all your life long. > >Christina aka Kagran > > > >kagran@t0.or.at > networker >Public Netbase >http://www.t0.or.at > So what can we do? Who is the publisher of "Synergetics", name and address? what is the ISBN number? Who can of has any knowledge to reprint theis book in small volumes? What will be the price? Who is the copyright owner? Who can answer? Maybe there is a chance that it will happen. " HELLO THERE, IS THERE ANYBODY ? ", I scream in the dark of the NET. Marco, from Belgium ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 21:30:16 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: No More "Is Your Computer Bugged" GOOD WORK JAMES!! William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 16:55:07 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Christina Goestl Subject: Re: Books on Geodesic Maths; Again? Sure, why not? >So what can we do? > >Who is the publisher of "Synergetics", name and address? >what is the ISBN number? >Who can of has any knowledge to reprint theis book in small volumes? >What will be the price? >Who is the copyright owner? > >Who can answer? > >Maybe there is a chance that it will happen. > >" HELLO THERE, IS THERE ANYBODY ? ", I scream in the dark of the NET. > >Marco, from Belgium > > Some answers: The name of the book is: "Synergetics - Explorations in the Geometry of Thinking" R. Buckminster Fuller in collaboration with E.J. Applewhite Preface and Contribution by Arthur L. Loeb, Harvard University published by: Macmillan Publishing Company 866 Third Avenue, New York, N.Y. 10022 ISBN 0-02-065320-4 That should encrease the chance that it will happen. Christina aka Kagran kagran@t0.or.at networker Public Netbase http://www.t0.or.at ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 10:23:10 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BIOSPHERE CANADA Comments: cc: DOME HOME LIST I found the following information about the former EXPO'67 dome when I did a search using the phrase "geodesic dome". QUOTE: Quebec International, Vol. 13, No 2, Fall 1995 SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY WATER, WATER EVERYWHERE AT THE NEW BIOSPHERE An awareness of flow and light strikes you the moment you step inside. It may have something to do with the fact that the Biosphere museum was built inside Buckminster Fuller's geodesic dome, the former US pavilion at Expo 67 in Montrial. Or maybe it's simply that there really is water everywhere. And with good reason: this is Canada's first environmental observation centre to focus uniquely on the enormous Great Lakes/St. Lawrence River ecosystem that is also the country's main commercial waterway. The brand new museum was officially opened by astrophysicist Hubert Reeves, who serves as its ambassador around the world. Computers and multimedia play a big part in the interactive displays designed to educate and inform people about the impact of human society on water and how this essential resource can be protected. One display illustrates the process of erosion and another, navigation. A giant screen shows various approaches to water conservation. At interactive stops, visitors can test their knowledge about pollution or aquatic wildlife. And what better way to end the tour than at the top of the 20-storey dome, with its magnificent view of the St. Lawrence River itself. The Biosphere is more than a traditional museum. A whole network of observers has been set up along the river to gather vital information about the ecosystem, the river banks, algae growth, fish, pollution indicators, etc. The information is fed into a data bank used by researchers and the Biosphere, thus promoting further study and dialogue. Partners in the network include the Saguenay-Saint-Laurent Marine Park and the Black Creek, Ontario, and Ocianopolis (Brest, France) observation centres. Innovation is also apparent in the Biosphere's construction and design. Its architects and engineers had sustainable development in mind, choosing materials, equipment and technology that minimize environmental impact and are resource-efficient. Since most of the energy goes into heating, a geothermic design unique in Canada was developed specifically for the new Biosphere. It draws heat from the water table which has a constant temperature of 11 C and lies more than 90 metres beneath the dome. It is estimated that the system uses about 40% less energy than conventional heating systems. The Biosphere Nle Sainte-Hilhne Montrial (Quibec) CANADA H3C 4G8 Tel.: (514) 283-5000 Fax: (514) 283-5021 American architect Richard Buckminster Fuller saw the Earth as a spaceship sent on an endless journey with limited resources. An ecologist well ahead of his time, he would have been delighted to see his geodesic dome "recycled" as a centre dedicated to water preservation and contributing to a more rational use of Earth's resources. UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 10:39:18 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: WONDERS OF LIFE DOME Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST Here's some info re Disney's "Wonders of Life" dome; QUOTE: DISNEY'S EPCOT CENTER WONDERS OF LIFE Wonders of Life DNA strand Marked out by the 72 foot high steel DNA molecule, this golden geodesic dome houses a humourous, but informative looked at health. Costing in the region of $100 million, this attraction is housed in a 100,000 square foot geodesic dome, along with two adjoining buildings and guests can enjoy a combination of serious, amusing and dramatic looks at fitness, health and modern lifestyles. From the entrance, guests overlook the Fitness Fairgrounds. Looking upwards guests can admire the centerpiece of the dome, a 50 foot in diameter mobile, suspended from the 65 foot high ceiling, which gently drifts in the air currents circulating round the building. This pavilion is usually a hive of activity and often crowded, particularly during the middle part of the day. Presented by Met Life. Black Dot Attractions Black Dot Shops Black Dot No Menu Available Pure and Simple _________________________________________________________________ 1 June 1996 Greg Orwin (Tigger@dial.pipex.com) -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 09:09:02 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DOME QUESTION Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST I ran across the following message whwn I did a search using the phrase "geodesic dome". She is in Thailand (th). Quote: Path: newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!au!au1!u3520013 From: u3520013@au.ac.th (Catherine Minguet) Newsgroups: alt.cad Subject: Geodesic Dome Design Date: 16 Nov 1995 20:43:47 GMT Organization: AuNet Assumption University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <48g7q3$97j@abac.au.ac.th> NNTP-Posting-Host: au1.au.ac.th X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I am trying to create GEODESIC DOMES in fiber glass using identical panels. I have been trying to find the formula for calculating the angle of which the panels of a GEODESIC DOME may be formed. The panels may be triangular or pentagonal. Each of the panels will have to have an edge on all sides. This edge will have to stand at a very precise angle in relation to the panel in order to have all the panels come together and form a geodesic dome when assembled. I will be extremely grateful to anyone who can supply the formulas, or advise me of any on-line sources where I may be able to search for it. I can be contacted at u3520013@au2.au.ac.th Please help. Thank you. Unquote. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 15:00:44 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: EPCOT DOME Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST QUOTE: DISNEY'S EPCOT CENTER SPACESHIP EARTH Spaceship Earth Spaceship Earth is the centerpiece of Future World and as such it looms impressively over EPCOT. It is a very impressive 17-story high structure somehwat resembling a spaceship that is ready to take off. Many visitors can't help but to simply stop and stare in awe at it's magnificent size. Technically the globe is a wonder in it's own right. It weighs some 16 million pounds and is 165 feet in diameter and 180 feet in height which renders some 2,200,000 cubic feet of space inside. The sphere is held aloft by 6 legs supported by pylons sunk some 100 foot into the ground. On the outside the surface comprises some 954 triangular panels. The panels are made of a polyethylene core sandwiched between two anodized aluminium plates and contrary to popular belief the panels are not all the same size & shape. It is held by many that the globe is a geodesic dome, this is not so, it is a geosphere, a term coined by the designers to describe the structure as there is no such structure in existance anywhere else. A geodesic dome is a semi-sphere, ie it is half a sphere, while Spaceship Earth is completely round, well technically it is not even completely round. The requirements of the steelworkers resulted in slightly uneven dimensions for the sphere. Presented by AT&T. _________________________________________________________________ Black Dot Attractions Black Dot Shops 1 June 1996 Greg Orwin (Tigger@dial.pipex.com) UNQUOTE. For what Bucky thought of the above claims, see the Buckminster Fuller Institute newsletter (vol 1, #1), Feb 1983, page 1. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 15:05:57 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Adler Organization: Taconic Technology Corp. - TNET Subject: Help us with our Dome! Hello, if this is the wrong place to put this I apologize. Please let me know. I am the director of a mountain retreat center in the Berkshires on the New York, Massachusetts border. We currently use a 60 foot diameter tent for our large group sessions. Recently we have been having a lot of trouble with the tent and have come up with the idea of putting a dome up where the tent now stands. We would like to do this next spring. As we are a non-profit organization and operating on a limited budget we have been trying to figure out how to do this for the least cost possible. What we do best here is run retreats and workshops and similar events. We have come up with the idea of presenting a dome building workshop. My background is in construction and I have worked with volunteers in most states in the US on community built projects, mostly playgrounds. I have the necessary skills to organize and get a lot of people to work and I know how to set up fabrication shops and do mass cutting and etc. What I don t have is the skill to run a dome building workshop and to teach people how to build domes specifically. What I am looking for is someone, or the name of someone, who would have the expertise to work with us over the next few months in finalizing a design and then come here in the spring of 1997 and run a 1-2 week building workshop at the end of which we would have our dome, the presenter would have some cash and the people who come would gain skills in construction and dome building. This past spring we had a work camp on our site that was very successful. Twenty Two people attended and it became a great group of friends, and almost family. We also provided opportunities for mindfulness working and for spiritual practices and meditation for those that were interested. I would appreciate any information or help or suggestions that you might have and I am happy to join in with this newsgroup. David Iman Adler dadler@taconic.net Aegis at the Abode of the Message ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 21:15:26 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: BUCKY'S BIRTHDAY Comments: cc: rich@critpath.org On July 12, Gordon wrote: >We had a little geodesic cake for Bucky's Birthday, July 12. Also born >on July 12 :Andrew Wyeth,Milton Berle, Pablo Neruda, Oscar >Hammerstein,Modigliani,George Eastman,Henry David Thoreau,and last but >not least, Julius Caesar. What a great day to be born! Best wishes! > Gordon-- One of the individuals on your list was born on the SAME DAY as Bucky Fuller. Which one? --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> Answer: Oscar Hammerstein II born July 12, 1895. --Kiyoshi Kuromiya _____________________________________________________________ Kiyoshi Kuromiya Critical Path AIDS Project Address: 2062 Lombard St, Phila., PA 19146 Email: kiyoshi@critpath.org Hotline: (215) 545-2212 (24-hr) Fax: (215) 735-2762 or (215) 545-2212 Internet or BBS: (215) 463-7160 Web Home Page: http://www.critpath.org Beeper: (800) 973-8084 for toll-free call-back ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 19:21:35 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: MORE DOME COMPANIES Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST TWO MORE DOME COMPANIES Geosign P.O. Box 741 Warrenton, MO 63383 USA plans only Living Shelter Crafts P.O. Box 4069 W. Sedona, AZ 86340 USA 800-899-1924 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 19:20:33 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: RBF PAPERS--VIRGINIA TECH BUCKY PAPERS AT VIRGINIA TECH QUOTE: SPECIAL COLLECTIONS DEPARTMENT UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES VIRGINIA TECH Guide to the Manuscript Collections (Snip) FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER (1895-1983). PAPERS, 1928-75. 0.4 cu. ft. Poet, philosopher, inventor, engineer, and architect who developed the geodesic dome, a ground based dome with no limiting dimensions. Collection consists of correspondence and articles by Fuller and others on architecture and the geodesic dome, nature, utopian design, space, and science. Ms75-007. UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 19:19:20 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ASM INT'L DOME Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST ASM INTERNATIONAL DOME QUOTE: ASM's World Headquarters is located on nearly 600 acres at Materials Park, in northeastern Ohio. The unique semi-circular building is capped by a striking geodesic dome (119 K picture), invented by R. Buckminster Fuller. The dome stands 103 feet high and is 272 feet in diameter. It is made of 13 miles of extruded aluminum tubing and rods weighing 80 tons, and sits on five pylons. The mineral garden, which contains about 80 raw ore specimens donated by individuals and organizations throughout the world, is located directly beneath the dome. The site has been a popular tourist attraction since its dedication in 1960. UNQUOTE. ASM International 9639 Kinsman Rd. Materials Park, Ohio 44073-0002 USA TEL: 216-338-5151 FAX: 216-338-4634 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:16:50 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BARRY WHITE RBF SONGS BARRY WHITE SONGS ABOUT BUCKY FULLER QUOTE: Rhinos Records Rerelease of a Classic: [IMAGE] Barry White Sings Buckminister Fuller With such almost hits as "Love Is Omni-Directional" and "How Far is the Moon -- Nine Chains", and Barry's irrepressible voice, it's surprising that this record or singles from it never reached the charts. Buckminster Fuller is best known as the inventor of the Geodesic dome and the Dymaxion Car. His children's book did become quite popular in the last several years, but his songs never hit a responsive chord. This Phos4 reviewer found himself tapping along with the catchy melodies, here arranged by Oliver Nelson. And who but Mr. White could mold these lyrics into their rightful blend of sexiness and technospeak? In "You and Me Baby, We Got Sin-er-gy!", Mr. White glides through the lyric,"Your big brown spherical, multi-directional, self-focusing visible light detecting globes are driving me crazy." The Long Play album also includes: "How High The Dome" "Love Tetrahedron" and the dance version of: "Dymaxion My Action" This is a great addition to any 4D-Dymaxion-Stereophonic -appreciating-bi-pedalvibration -enthusiast. [IMAGE] Copyright © 1996 Jon Armstrong return to the cover of Phos 4 UNQUOTE. http://www.phos4.com/barry'n'bucky.html -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:15:44 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: CLIMATRON DOME Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST MISSOURI BOTANICAL GARDENS DOME (CLIMATRON) QUOTE: [IMAGE] Missouri Botanical Gardens The natives call it Shaw's Garden, after famed naturalist Henry Shaw, who founded it. It is the jewel of the city. If you have time for no other tourist attraction, skip the Big Silver Buried Coat-Hanger (the Arch) and go here. [IMAGE] Yes, even in the winter. Maybe even, especially in the winter. Because the coolest attraction here is the Climatron, a large Fuller geodesic dome with about an acre of reconstructed rain forest under it. As soon as you step in, you're overwhelmed by the green, by the comfortable air and mist, by the sound of running water everywhere, and the raw beauty of it. A trail meanders through the dome, with many benches where you can sit and meditate for a while. Or kill an afternoon reading. Or hang out with friends, or whatever. The educational exhibits are tasteful (well, except for the stupid animatronic talking orchid), well-done, and incredibly helpful. [IMAGE] The gardens also include a huge rose garden, an enclosed long building full of beautiful and fragrant camelias, the largest Japanese formal gardens in the world, an informative home gardening center, beautiful lilly ponds framed by Van der Miles sculpture (facing the dome), a large exhibit hall with constantly changing seasonal exhibits (you must see the orchid show), and more. My summer favorite is the English Woodland Garden, which is basically a bunch of deeply shaded wood-chip walking paths through a tight grove of tall trees. Spring through fall, I spend long hours sitting and reading in the beautiful Moorish garden patio inside the Mediterranean House building. [IMAGE] I could go on for hours. I haven't mentioned the art gallery, the porceline sculptures on display, the Arboretum they maintain west of town, the hedge maze, the herb gardens, the fact that they maintain one of the largest and most important herbariums in the world, or the Garden Shop, which is huge and one of the coolest places to shop in the whole city. And it's very cheap, too, $3 or less. So just go, alright? [IMAGE] To get there by car, take either US-40 or I-44 to Grand Boulevard, and go south on Grand. Just a few short blocks after I-44, turn right (the only way you can turn) onto Shaw Boulevard. It'll be a couple of very long blocks ahead on your left, an entire city block surrounded by a light gray stone wall. The entrance is on the north (Shaw) side in the middle. This is not the way that most of the natives would tell you to go. Screw them. The Kingshighway/Vandeventer route is twisty, poorly marked, and hard to spot. I've lived here 35 years and I still can't get it on the first try. Use Grand. If you don't have a car with you, take MetroLink to the Central West End station, paying the extra 10 cents for a transfer; consult the sign at the station to find out what bus takes you to the Missouri Botanical Gardens. UNQUOTE. This is part of _The Low Bullshit Guide to St. Louis_ by J. Brad Hicks, jbhicks@inlink.com -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:10:02 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: MAX PROTETCH GALLERY RBF EXHIBIT BUCKMINSTER FULLER EXHIBIT AT THE MAX PROTETCH GALLERY, 11-9/12-2, 1995 The Max Protetch Gallery and the Buckminster Fuller Institute had a centennial exhibition of the great American architect, designer, scientist and inventor R. Buckminster Fuller. The exhibition consisted of drawings, photographs, and blueprints which concentrated on the projects listed below: 1. THE 4D HOUSE, 1928: Fuller's first solution to the problem of low-cost housing; 2. THE FORD DOME, 1953: Built in four months as a major highlight of the company's fiftieth anniversary in June, 1953; 3. THE PROPOSED D-45, DYMAXION CAR FOR HENRY J. KAISER, 1943: Designed with a seven foot driving divan, convertible into a large bed; 4. THE YOMIURI GOLF CLUB GEODESIC DOME, TOKYO, 1961-1963: One of Fuller's first aspension structure designs; 5. THE OCTET TRUSS PATENT, 5/30/61: The most versatile construction unit, filling any form or space; 6. PREPARATORY STUDIES FOR THE GEODESIC DOME: THE ICOSAHEDRON'S THIRTY-ONE GREAT CIRCLES, 1947: Conceived as total abstractions and developed into a method of transcribing the surface of the earth to a flat surface; 7. 15 DRAWINGS FROM THE "GREAT CIRCLE MAPPING DEVICE BOOKLET ", LATE 1940. 8. DYMAXION GEODESIC STRUCTURES: TWENTY-FIVE AND THIRTY-ONE GREAT CIRCLES, 1949: These blueprints show the transformation between the geometry of the sphere and its concrete counterpart, the geodesic dome; 9. RADOMES, 1954: Lightweight, fiberglass components, easy to assemble; 10. FIFTY-FOOT MAGNESIUM GEODESIC HANGER FOR THE U.S. MARINE CORPS, 1954: These small, inexpensive helicopter hangers could actually be transported by the helicopters they housed; 11. GEODESIC DOME PATENT, #6,129,154: These structures explore natures's coordinate system. Also coinciding with the 100th anniversary of Fuller's birth was an international exhibition "Contemporary Development in Design", 11-9-95/ 1-3-96 (organized by the Pratt Institute) and a special tribute to Fuller on 11-9-95 at 8 pm, which included an address by architect William McDonough and a multi-media collage of Fuller's work. Both events were hosted by the Cathedral of St. John the Divine, 1047 Amsterdam Ave. New York, NY (212-316-7493). Max Protetch Gallery 560 Broadway New York, NY 10012-3938 USA [From: Arch-Online NY | Event Calendar] [Voice: 212-274-0928 ] [Fax: 212-274-9580 ] [Email: webmaster@arch-online.com ] -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:11:03 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SOUTH POLE DOME Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST ANTARCTICA (S.POLE) DOME QUOTE: Between the Geographic South Pole and the Ceremonial Pole was a post with a lot of names of places on it. At the opposite side, about 300 meters away, is the symbolic geodesic dome of the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station. Image: Name post. The dome was built in 1975, and had almost been buried by drifting snow. The entrance to the dome was basically under the ground. If you have just arrived at the Pole, and are having altitude sickness because of the 680 millibar air, you would have problems just walking up the slope. In front of the dome, leading to the left and right, were two long archways that were being used for fuel storage and generator room, clinic, gym, and garage. Image: Symbolic geodesic dome of the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station. In the 55-meter diameter dome, there are several buildings: a dining room where most major activities take place, a communication center, computer terminal rooms, a library, a small shop, a big refrigeration room that needs no power to run, and most important for people who station at the Pole for the whole year: the berth. The dome was a good idea to eliminate the need for clearing the drifting snow that tends to bury buildings in a matter of years, and perhaps more importantly, shielding the connections to essential buildings from the impact of severe weather, especially when the temperature drops to under -100F in winter. Image: Inside the dome. UNQUOTE. >From Multiworld! (VOL.1, NO.1, JUNE 1995) article "To the Bottom of the Earth" by Maohai Huang. mw_editors@garnet.berkeley.edu. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 20:35:36 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Ken G. Brown" Subject: Joe Moore's Master Index via ftp I have uploaded Joe Moore's Buckminster Fuller Master Index to Kiyoshi's machine where it is available for anonymous ftp access in the directory. It is available as separate BinHexed text files (saved as text-only from MS Word 4 on my Mac) for each letter of the alphabet as well as all 26 text files in one compressed and BinHexed Stuffit archive file . The complete index merged into one text file is also there in uncompressed BinHex format . I will be uploading this merged file as a BinHexed compressed Stuffit archive in the near future. I tried uploading the text files without BinHexing first however when I retrieved them they were damaged. BinHexing them first seemed to solve that problem. Please let me know if you experience any difficulties with any of the files. Also if anyone can convert the index files to .zip format please contact me and we can post them in that format as well. Thanks to Kiyoshi for offering the storage space and of course to Joe Moore for all his work in creating the index. -Ken- _____________________________________________________________________ Ken G. Brown, BscEE, PEng. Internet: kbrown@tnc.com Syngen Industrial Control Phone: 403.986.1203 206 Building B, 5904 - 50th Street Fax: 403.986.5299 Leduc, Alberta, Canada T9E 6J3 _____________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 20:24:59 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: USES OF DYMAX MAP USES OF THE DYMAXION SKY-OCEAN MAP Appears on the cover page of the U.S.Customs Service booklet entitled "The International Activities of the U.S.Customs Service"; Included in the package of "Pink Whale" chocolates; Incorporated into the face of a clock made by Thomas Shannon of New York City; Was a cut-out map in the U.S.Information Agency journal "The English Teaching Forum" in 1984; Appears on a stamp issued in 1982 known as Korean #1289; Included in an article in 'Von Nostrand's Encyclopedia'; Appeared as a 15' x 30' painting by Jasper Johns (1967); Is the inside cover of John Denver's record album "It's About Time"; Used as a 70' x 35' permanent wall display at the St.Louis Science Center; Was included in an exhibit in 1990 at the Deutsches Post Museum in Frankfurt, Germany; Appeared on the front cover of 'Leonardo' magazine in Nov.1991; Appeared on the front and back cover of a Ernst & Young brochure; Used as the centerfold of a brochure for the Japanese company GLAXO; Used in the 1991 Annual Report of RJR Nabisco; Appears in _The Map Catalog_ which is updated every year; Appeared in the March 1990 issue of "FACES: The Magazine About People"; Was a 3' x 6' poster insert in the magazine "The Big Picture"; Appears in a Japanese 7th grade math textbook; Decorates an exterior wall of the Forsythe Elementary School in St.Louis. See: Buckminster Fuller Institute Newsletter, Summer 1984, pages 5-6. Trimtab, Autumn 1992, page 8. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:20:32 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: BUCKY'S BIRTHDAY In-Reply-To: Op Sat, 20 Jul 1996, Kiyoshi Kuromiya schreef: > > Gordon-- > One of the individuals on your list was born on the SAME DAY as Bucky > Fuller. Which one? i think fuller is jemini, if so i am also, born in 11 juni 1953 but i only celebrated my birthday one time as a joke in high school. no girls mix with boys in that country. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:14:34 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: MORE DOME BOOKS Comments: cc: DOME HOME LIST 1989 Design and Building Ideas Oregon Dome, Inc. staff 1989 Planning Concepts Oregon Dome, Inc. staff Both books were updated in 1993-94. Oregon Dome, Inc. 3215 Meadow Lane Eugene, OR 97402-6505 USA Tel: 503-689-3443 and 1-800-572-8943 Fax: 503-689-9275 Web: http://www.domes.com -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:43:50 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lawrence Couey Subject: Geodesic Math and University of California Press Comments: To: Marco.Tognon@PING.BE Everyone, Sorry for my last posting pointing everyone to UCP. They are not reprinting Hugh Kenner's book. I did post an "plea-gram" email to them asking that the check out the number of people on the list who are interested in getting a copy and to either reprint it or make it available electronicly... Maybe if all of use emailed them? They can be reached at ucpress@ucop.edu. Contents of my letter to UCP: University of California Press Dear Gentle Being, I have been trying for some time to find a copy of Hugh Kenner's _Geodesic_Math_and_How_to_Use_It. I know of quite a few people who would like to get a copy of it. If you would check the bit.listserv.geodesic news group as well as the mailing list: GEODESIC@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu, you would find a lot of interest in it. If you have no more plans to reprint it again, could you be so kind as to make the contents available through the World Wide Web (WWW)? It would be very benificial. If you'd like help in making it available I'd be happy to help convert it to electronic copy (HTML and/or ASCII text). Thank you for you time and help. Sincerely, Lawrence Couey : // Kenner, Hugh: Geodesic Math and How to Use It // by Hugh Kenner // University of California Press [c1976] // xi, 172 p.; ill. // // SUBJECTS: // Geodesic domes, Mathematical models // Polyhedra, Tables // // LC: 74027292 Class: TA660.D6 // ISBN: 0-520-02924-0 Lawrence C. ==> What I think is what I think. ==> What my employer thinks is what he thinks. ==> Sometimes there is a union, ==> Sometimes an intersection, ==> and sometimes an empty set. -- Lawrence_Couey@Novell.COM ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:01:54 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Society and Media Mike Markowski said: >If people not only turned off tv news, but voiced their reasons to >those companies for doing so, and instead tuned their shortwaves to >BBC - or whatever your favorite alternative is - you can bet there'd >be a change in short order. Overall, the news operations do a decent job, so "Turning them off" will only encourage those who would rather have all news be nothing but more and more fluff and celebrity coverage. Which would you rather watch - Ted Koppel's "Nightline", or muckraking "Inside Edition"? Guess which has better ratings? What I have learned from being one step short of having a coax cable connected to the base of my skull for 10 years is that one cannot judge the overall quality of news coverage by events such as the OJ Simpson trial, a terrorist attack, or a plane crash. Coverage happens, even if there is nothing to say, and nothing much to see. As far as general news coverage, everyone puts their own slant or spin on the news. The BBC is no better than any of the rest in many cases. The surprise up-and-coming news operation on the planet seems to be Radio Moscow!!! They have gotten much better, and much more even-handed than I ever thought possible. Regardless of the media, "the press" has a way of transforming "news" in the process of reporting it. Talk to anyone who has been the subject of a "news story", and you will get a tale of woe and betrayal. Carpe Modem! james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 00:30:56 -0400 Reply-To: WBlackledg Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WBlackledg Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Media Analysis: TWA 800 Don't take this the wrong way but if your looking for answers from the Media your barking up the wrong tree. Those idiots couldn't find there own butt's in phone booth with a flashlight. Remeber their qualifications for having the job they have: College: Did bad in Math, Science, or practically anything useful, but Majored in English where they could construct sentences and get a grade. Good speaking voice, Photographs well, and can read english if its not thrown at them very fast. That's about it. You take away the teleprompter from these clods and you might as well be learning about world news from a parakeet. If the civilization ever comes to a "Road Warrior" type end, these guys main function will be sex toys for motorcycle gangs( and most of them know it) A good example is this guy who wrote "Primary Colors" He swore he didn't do it. And now the rest of the media acts like he is the first reporter to every LIE! Crap, they lie all the time, and they do it because we accept whatever they say as gospel. Dan Rather is more interested in shaping your mind in his own image then telling you the days events. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:39:32 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: GEORGIA DOME Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST GEORGIA ASPENSION DOME QUOTE: [IMAGE] World's largest covered oval stadium, featuring a fabric covered Tenstar cable dome structure that spans 770 x 610 feet. 70,500 seats. * Completion Date: 1992 * Total Construction Cost: $173 Million * Owner: Georgia World Congress Center Authority * Architect: Heery International * Architect: Rosser Fabrap & Thompson Ventulett Stainbec _________________________________________________________________ The Georgia Dome, designed and constructed within a 30 month period, is located in downtown Atlanta. The most innovative feature of the structure is the cable-supported Teflon-coated fabric roof, a milestone in the development of lightweight structures. The patented Tenstar Dome structure, the first of its kind to be built, adapts tensegrity geometry to the standard oval of stadium design. Buckminster Fuller was the first to propose the use of tensegrity structures, which are based on patterns of repetitive interlocking triangles, to cover large areas. In a Tenstar structure, triangulated tension cables and floating compression posts are combined with stretched fabric membranes in hyperbolic paraboloid configurations. The challenge for engineers was to develop constructible details and maximize their repetition for economy, despite the complicated geometry. The scale was also a challenge. The 9 acres of hyperbolic paraboloid fabric sections that cover the Georgia Dome were clamped to the cable structure on site. There isn't a bad seat in the house. The roof structure's web of posts and cables is anchored above eye level to a concrete cast-in-place compression ring, 2300 feet in circumference. The ring floats on bridge-type pot-bearing pads and is supported by concrete columns cantilevered 52 feet in the air from the upper deck, which is part of the basic superstructure frame. Structural components, such as the node weldments, steel pipe posts, steel strand bridge-type cables, and concrete stands, were prefabricated, saving site set-up time and more than a million dollars. Home of the Atlanta Falcons football team, the Georgia Dome serves as a multipurpose structure for sporting events, trade shows, group meetings, multimedia concerts, political conventions, and other major public activities. The structure is easily converted to other uses from a network of catwalks that form part of the roof structure. Despite the airy and festive atmosphere created by the tent-like roof, the impression is one of permanence and security. Minimal light is needed for daytime use due to the translucency of the Teflon-coated fiberglass fabric roof, and at night the dome glows, creating a radiant landmark visible from all parts of the city. [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] Some pictures at other web servers: 96 Olympics, Georgia Dome Home Page, wwcd _________________________________________________________________ Awards: * NYACE Engineering Excellence Award 1992 * Industrial Fabrics Association Design Award 1992 * Lincoln Arc Welding Award 1991 Point of Contact: * Matthys Levy (212) 563-5200 _________________________________________________________________ Showcase Index Next: Javits Convention Center _________________________________________________________________ WAI Home Structures Applied Science Transportation Copyright ) 1995-96, Weidlinger Associates, Inc. All Rights Reserved. UNQUOTE -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:05:50 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: PROOFREADING Comments: To: Joe Moore At 08:54 AM 7/25/96 PDT, you wrote: >Kirby, > >I noticed that on your "Design Science and Art Galleries" page under the >letter "D" the second Design Online link label should probably read "pundits" >rather than "Bucky Index". > Thanks Joe, I appreciate this kind of meticulous feedback. I'll check into this during this very internet session. >Also, is the BFI site supposed to have a label for "Events"? If so, I couldn't >find it. > There's an http://www.bfi.org/events.html page at the BFI website, though there ain't much on it right now (still has an obsolete link to that Jay Baldwin internet radio show, which I learned about through your posting to GEODESIC, which I missed, which turns out never have happened as planned, as Jay's voice never got patched through). If you have trouble navigating the BFI website, it may be that you're still using a text-only browser. The BFI pages use a graphical imagemap across the top, with 'hot' file folder icons to take the browser from page to page. I supply no text-only equivalent at this point (unlike at my Synergetics on the Web, where my imagemap is supplemented with text-only hotlinks across the bottom). One of my clients here in Portland is Vision Northwest, a non-profit devoted to serving adults suffering from macular degeneration and other severe vision-loss problems, leading to legal blindness and beyond. So I am aware of this population and its special needs vis-a-vis the internet. Some browsers are feeding web page text through a voice synthesizer to make sense of the content, I realize. I also realize that strict interpretation of the ADA (American Disabilities Act) may require me to provide more in the way of text-only aids at the BFI site -- or that Federal sites at least may wish to abide by this standard. All in good time. I'm copying this to GEODESIC so that we'll have an archived record of my concern, which translates to my future accountability on this score. In the meantime, those who have good vision and are still using text-only browsers are not my concern. They can fend for themselves. Kirby BFI webmaster ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:44:50 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TEST This is a test. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:03:22 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TENSEGRITY BEAM QUOTE: TENSEGRITY BEAM INTEGRATES SCIENCE PLAYGROUND [IMAGE] New York Hall of Science Interactive Playground (20K jpeg) A beam will appear to float above the new interactive Science Playground in Queens like a bolt out of the blue, challenging young viewers to learn about the tensegrity principles that hold it in place. Supported by cables hung from steel bents, the beam and the walkway below will form a highway in the sky, and the bents a march of wooden soldiers spanning the site. This is the first time that a science park has made structure an integral part of its program. Weidlinger Associates worked closely with the design team of BKS/K Architects, Chermayeff & Geismar, and Jane Clark Chermayeff Associates to develop innovative exhibits for the New York Hall of Science playground. Building on precedents set in India in the 1970's, the designers studied other science parks and exploratoriums, as well as amusement parks, play equipment catalogs, and physics books. The goal was to translate sophisticated scientific ideas into "full-body" activities. Children will climb a space net, use the sun to activate propellers, hold cross-playground conversations using parabolic reflectors and speaking tubes, and control the switching mechanisms on a ball roller coaster. They will play with simple machines in the Construction Zone, and with pumps, cascades, turbines, dams, and Archimedes screws at the 45-meter-long continuous water trough. Several strategies were used by the design team to merge the 3000-square-meter playground with the existing museum, which opened in 1964 for the World's Fair. The blue of the beam echoes the blue of the museum's glass front. A boardwalk forms a curved edge along the length of the site and mirrors the building's shape. A seating platform for adults, the boardwalk also incorporates the water trough. Bridges span the water to a landscaped area that provides a link to Flushing Meadows-Corona Park. Entrance to the armature is from the terrace of the Great Hall or up a ramp from the new outdoor eating plaza to a platform cantilevered from the structure. Principal in Charge: Matthys Levy (212) 563-5200; Project Manager: Tian-Fang Jing (212) 563-5200. UNQUOTE. >From the Weidlinger Associates, Inc. Newsletter, Spring, 1995, Vol 8, # 1; Helen Oppenheimer, editor; (212) 563-5200 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:06:11 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: The ADA and WebSites? Kirby said: >One of my clients here in Portland is Vision Northwest, a >non-profit devoted to serving adults suffering from macular >degeneration and other severe vision-loss problems, leading >to legal blindness and beyond. So I am aware of this population >and its special needs vis-a-vis the internet. Some browsers >are feeding web page text through a voice synthesizer to make >sense of the content, I realize. Commendable that you take on pro-bono work for non-profits, Kirby. As for text-only support, there is still a small portion of Lynx browser users out there amongst all the Netscape and Explorer users. In addition, a VERY large number of people turn off images to speed up the speed with which a page is downloaded. This means that websites need to be somehow useable in a text-only mode, or a text-only version of the page needs to be linked to the "main" page. One can certainly tell if the browser being used is Lynx. For example, with the NCSA server, the cgi-bin code simply reads an "environment variable": <><><><><><><><><><> $WhichBrowser=$ENV{"HTTP_USER_AGENTD_SINCE"}; ($Browser, $Version) = split("/", $WhichBrowser); if ($Browser =~/Lynx/) { # We have a Lynx Browser } <><><><><><><><><><> The various browsers and versions can be handled depending upon their (lack of) features. One thing to recall is that all versions of Netscape still call themselves "Mozilla" when examined with code like the above. When a user "turns off" images, one can assume that the Browser somehow tells your webserver to not send images of any sort. I presume (BUT I HAVE NOT TESTED) that this is reflected in the type of "Accept Header" sent from the browser to the webserver. The problem is that while any browser certainly will claim to your webserver that it will accept all content-types ("Accept: */*"), this does not mean that it knows what to do with them all. My advice is to ignore any "Accept: */*" fields in the long laundry list of "Accept:" values. How I would parse the Accept data in perl would be to look and see if the browser at hand is accepting gifs and jpegs. If not, they are using Lynx or they have images turned off. This, therefore is the most bullet-proof method I can think of (at least for this morning): <><><><><><><><><><><><><> $accepts_gifs = 0; #assume no gifs until disproven $accepts_jpegs = 0; #assume no jpegs until disproven $text_only = 1; #assume text-only until disproven @accept = (split("," , $ENV{'HTTP_ACCEPT'})); foreach $image_type (@accept) { if ($image_type =~ /image\/gif/) { # the browser supports gifs $accepts_gifs = 1; $text_only = 0; } if ($image_type =~ /image\/jpeg/) { # the browser supports jpegs $accepts_jpegs = 1; $text_only = 0; } } <><><><><><><><><><><><><> There is lots of other stuff you can read from the accept fields, like "Quality Factors" and "Maximum Image Sizes", but it is enough to decide between a fancy image-based click map and a text-bullet menu. >I also realize that strict interpretation of the ADA >(American Disabilities Act) may require me to provide >more in the way of text-only aids at the BFI site -- >or that Federal sites at least may wish to abide by >this standard. This is a VERY creative reading of the act. I would suggest that the act says no such thing, but supporting a minimalist version of any webpage still makes sense, given the miserable throughput with which most people are stuck. If you need help with this, ask. I still have a certain irrational fondness for Perl, and I guess we should all pitch in on the BFI website. Carpe Modem! james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:27:29 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: STIX-TRIX REVIEW STIK-TRIX TENSEGRITY MODELING KIT QUOTE: Journal entry for Wednesday, February 15, 1995 Assignment: Toy Analysis [IMAGE] ((STIK [IMAGE] TRIX )) [IMAGE] __________________________________________________________________________ Stik-Trix, by Tensegrity Systems, is a construction kit based on the principles of tensegrity. Tensegrity uses two elements, rods and elastics, that act on each other through tension and compression. The rods have slots in each end, and the elastics hook into the slots. When tension is applied to the elastic, it is balanced by compression in the rods. By connecting the rods and elastics in a closed system, each member of which acts on a few of the others, the tension and compression forces can be made to balance, creating shapes that are illustrative of the forces that hold them together. The introductory paragraph in the instruction booklet reads, in part, as follows: Space has fascinating properties that can be described by dynamic geometry. Dynamic geometry is different from traditional solid geometry because it links shape and structure. When you build with tensegrity, the shapes you make represent structural forces in balance . . . The energy you use to build the shapes becomes a part of the shapes themselves. [IMAGE] Stik-Trix, then, provides a concrete illustration of these two fundamental physical principles. By building with it, children (and adults) can actually feel the forces acting, and thus develop a better sense of balance, torque, and structure. Stik-Trix is an incredibly kinestheic system. It is extremely difficult to grasp the relationships between the parts (and of the parts to the whole) through visual inspection: [IMAGE] Obviously, looking at the 3D version would be a little better, but only by picking up the objects that are built, pulling on the rods, manipulating and squeezing the structure can the physical system that holds it together be truly understood. Thus, an eletctronic version or a 3D animation, even a VR version of this toy, would not have the same effect as these simple wood and elastic elements. [IMAGE] The toy comes with a booklet that explains how to get started, and has detailed instructions for 20 different shapes. Even so, it is difficult to follow the directions, and can be frustrating. The toy is an introductory version of the original TENSEGRITOY, a system with 30 sticks, each a foot long, and extensive documentation. From playing with two sets of Stik-Trix for a while, shapes beyond the initial 20 are possible. With the addition of smaller rubber bands, still more ideas present themselves. This toy is quite flexible in that sense, since it is a building system. The tensegrity concept does seem limited to building radially symmetrical shapes though, unless parts of the shape are anchored to a table or desk. In playing with the toy, I created a few improvised kinetic systems, using the elastic bands to provide energy for twirling sticks or flying objects (I made a slingshot). This use was probably not intended by the designers... [IMAGE] All in all, the toy is a lot of fun to explore and play with. It is frustrating at times, but the principles that it illustrates hold a certain fascination that makes you smile when you finally get the thing to hold still as a coherent 3D shape. [IMAGE] _________________________________________________________________ . . . next journal entry: feb 22, 1995. _________________________________________________________________ . . . back to matt's homepage. _________________________________________________________________ Matt Gorbet, mgorbet@mit.edu (2/15/95) UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:44:04 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TENSEGRITOY QUOTE: THE TENSEGRITOY The Tensegritoy is an educational kit available at various science stores. [IMAGE] [IMAGE] _________________________________________________________________ The more complicated structure on the right has 30 rods and the manual that comes with the kit describes it as an icosahedron ( suggesting that you build it with the rods touching at the ends, five converging at each vertex, and then spreading the ends apart, yeilding a truncated icosahedron ). ( see: The Platonic Solids ) Tensegritoy Design Science Toys LTD. 1362 Route 9 Tivoli, NY 12583 ( USA ) Phone: 1-800-227-2316; FAX: 914-756-4223 The basic Tensegritoy kit comes with 30 twelve inch hardwood dowels and it retails for about $30. Tensegritoy is a registered trademark of Tensegrity Systems Corporation, Tivoli, NY 12583 I have no relationship with this company and am in no way associated with the product. LINKS: Fuller faq-4 Tensegrity structures and domes. Matt Gorbet's Journal Entries for MAS123 An MIT student goes geeky on the toy. Buy it on the web: Catalog: kits for building geodesic domes and tensegrity structures. Catalog entry: Tensegritoy I have no relationship with these outlets, and I am not endorsing them. A related topic: The Platonic Solids: The dodecahedron and the rest. _________________________________________________________________ [home.gif] My humble Home Page Previous Page: ( Tensegrity Structures #3 ) First Page: ( Tensegrity Structures #1 ) _________________________________________________________________ Last modified: 05/06/96 ( draft ) First Created: 05/06/96 _________________________________________________________________ Copyright © 1996 by Paul Flavin. All rights reserved. The images above were obtained from the above sites and to the best of my knowledege are not copyrighted. The computer generated images were created with the author's Imager++ program. --> UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:44:54 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: TENSEGRITOY REVIEW QUOTE: MILLENIUM WHOLE EARTH CATALOG Learning PLAY TOOLS __________________________________________________________________________ TENSEGRITOY [IMAGE] Bucky Fuller claimed that the strongest structures using the least material would be made according to the principle of tensegrity -- where the compressive and tensile components of a structure are separate from one another. The first tensegrity model was made by a student of Fuller's, Kenneth Snelson. He must have been quite adroit: Tensegrity models are notoriously difficult to make. The clever Tensegritoy kit allows even the undextrous to make models of several geometrical forms. The parts are nicely made from painted wood and elastic, and the directions are illustrated in minute detail. The resulting models are aesthetically nifty and instructive. --J. Baldwin Tensegritoy $30 ($36.50 postpaid). Buckminster Fuller Institute, 2040 Alameda Padre Serra, Suite 224, Santa Barbara, CA 93103; 805/962-0022, fax 805/962-4440. Copyright 1995 Internet Literacy Consultants and Point Foundation Feedback appreciated: webmaster@matisse.net UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:09:16 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SCIENCE WORLD DOME Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST SCIENCE WORLD (EXPO '67) DOME QUOTE: [IMAGE] SCIENCE WORLD's famous silver geodesic "golf ball" building was originally constructed for Expo '86. The building opened in May 1985 as the Expo Preview Centre. Following the Vancouver World's Fair, an intensive lobbying campaign was launched to secure the landmark building for SCIENCE WORLD, which was then operating as the Arts, Sciences & Technology Centre in downtown Vancouver. With all levels of government backing the centre's proposal, the BC provincial government designated the building as SCIENCE WORLD British Columbia. The announcement was made in September 1987, after which a massive fund-raising campaign was launched, with the federal, provincial and municipal governments, the GVRD, the private sector, foundations and individuals contributing $19.1-million to build an addition to the Expo Centre, redesign the interior and fabricate the exhibits. SCIENCE WORLD opened to the public on May 6, 1989 and quickly established itself as a major attraction and educational facility. Over the years, SCIENCE WORLD has played host to many dignitaries and famous people. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II dedicated the Expo Centre as "SCIENCE WORLD. A science centre for the people of British Columbia" in October 1987. Former president of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachev participated in a student forum at the centre prior to speaking at a fund-raising dinner for SCIENCE WORLD in March 1993. Dr. Stephen Hawking, the famous physicist, visited in June 1993 to talk with some 150 students with disabilities about how he manages his disability-- the life-threatening disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS). SCIENCE WORLD is a non-profit organization which raises over 90 per cent of its annual operating budget. The balance of funds are generated through grants, donations and special fund-raising events. [IMAGE] Fast Facts About SCIENCE WORLD's Building The SCIENCE WORLD "golf ball" is actually a geodesic dome, the design of which was created by American inventor R. Buckminster Fuller (1895-1983). Fuller patented 28 inventions in his lifetime; perhaps the most famous is the geodesic dome which was patented on June 29, 1954. One of the most famous geodesic domes in the world was the American pavilion at Expo '67 in Montreal. The building was constructed for Expo '86 and served as the Expo Centre. During the world's fair the pavilion housed the Futures Theatre. The film "A Freedom to Move" was featured in the OMNIMAX® Theatre. The original architect was Bruno Freschi; the architect for the additions made to transform the Expo Centre into SCIENCE WORLD was Boak Alexander. The building is 155 feet tall. The building's foundation is reinforced steel in a cement slab. There are 182 piles supporting the building. The clearance of the deck at high tide is one foot. There are 185 parking spaces in the guest lots, included four spaces for guests with disabilities. There are 391 lights and 766 triangles on the SCIENCE WORLD dome. The dome shines because it is made from stainless steel sheeting. SCIENCE WORLD has a total building area of 10,220 square metres; total exhibit area is 4,275 square metres. The building's volume is 36,790 cubic metres. SCIENCE WORLD uses an average of 7,200 kilowatts of electricity a day. Before going "Power Smart," the centre consumed 9,600 kilowatts a day. The centre's air-conditioning system uses chilled water for cooling and gas-fired boilers for heating. The length of the ramp leading to the OMNIMAX® Theatre is equal to the length of two football fields. The OMNIMAX® Theatre seats 400 people. Its screen is 27 metres in diameter and is five stories high. The theatre's sound system uses high-fidelity, six-channel, two-way sound with sub-bass to create an unparalleled surround sound experience. Twenty-eight speakers are located in clusters behind the theatre's screen. A 45-minute film requires about four kilometres of OMNIMAX® film stock. The 15,000 watt xenon lamp that lights the screen is so bright that if you placed it on the surface of the moon and focussed it at a spot on Earth, you could actually see its light. [IMAGE] [IMAGE] Click here to return to SCIENCE WORLD's Home Page. [IMAGE] UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:10:18 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SCIENCE WORLD REVIEW Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST SCIENCE WORLD REVIEW QUOTE: Experience a family adventure into the world of science at Science World British Columbia. A major attraction and educational facility, its geodesic dome building is a landmark in Vancouver. Until May 12, 1996, Science World is featuring "Science in Toyland", a special exhibit offering thirteen play areas where children can learn basic scientific principles just by playing with toys. Sounds like fun to me. Or how about the 3-D Laser Theatre which features a mind-altering show called "The Illuminated Brain" where "synapses dance, nerve impulses vanish into the horizon and neurons float within arms reach." Science World even has a movie theatre with a twenty-seven metre dome screen. Screenshot of Science World Web page. Vancouver's Science World is on the Web! Visit this site if you have a yen for combining family fun with educational scientific adventure. Find out about these offerings and more on Science World's home page at http://www.scienceworld.bc.ca/ UNQUOTE. >From the newsletter of Computing and Communications, University of British Columbia, March 1996; Cindy-Wynne Kolding -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:23:40 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SCIENCE WORLD ADDRESS Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST SCIENCE WORLD (EXPO '86) DOME QUOTE: Exterior and welcome SCIENCE WORLD's home page is supported in part by BC Net logo Designed and maintained by Nelson Eng and Gillian Lunde Last updated June 21, 1996 [IMAGE] [IMAGE] Information for Visitors [IMAGE] Information for Schools and Groups [IMAGE] Links to Other Science, Education & Tourism Sites [IMAGE] SCIENCE WORLD British Columbia is a vital community resource that celebrates curiosity, creativity and the thrill of learning by promoting the exploration of the arts, sciences and technology. SCIENCE WORLD British Columbia 1455 Quebec Street Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6A 3Z7 Phone: (604) 268-6363 (24-hour information) Phone: (604) 443-7440 (Administration) Fax: (604) 682-2923 [IMAGE] people have accessed this page since June 1, 1996. UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:26:24 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lawrence Couey Subject: STIX-TRIX REVIEW -Reply Comments: To: joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM Joe, I appreciate your informational messages to the mail list, only... When you email a "cut-n-paste'd" WWW page, could you please include the URL!?!?! I'm having to use YAHOO (and other search services) to find where you got the info from. This is especially true with documents containing images (where you've replaced them with "[IMAGE]") that I'm interested in. The information is VERY MUCH appreciated though, please keep doing it B-) Lawrence C. ==> What I think is what I think. ==> What my employer thinks is what he thinks. ==> Sometimes there is a union, ==> Sometimes an intersection, ==> and sometimes an empty set. -- Lawrence_Couey@Novell.COM ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:53:32 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: critical path bbs Alan-- All services are free. The Critical Path AIDS Project BBS and web page can be reached: (215) 463-7160. Or via WWW at: http://www.critpath.org --Kiyoshi > Could someone tell me how to obtain access to the critical path >bbs? Do I need to pay for access? > thanks, Alan Ferguson > _____________________________________________________________ Kiyoshi Kuromiya Critical Path AIDS Project Address: 2062 Lombard St, Phila., PA 19146 Email: kiyoshi@critpath.org Hotline: (215) 545-2212 (24-hr) Fax: (215) 735-2762 or (215) 545-2212 Internet or BBS: (215) 463-7160 Web Home Page: http://www.critpath.org Beeper: (800) 973-8084 for toll-free call-back ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:32:56 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DOME STRESS ANALYSIS Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST QUOTE: AN ANALYSIS OF THE STRUCTURAL BEHAVIOR OF A GEODESIC SPHERE Dave Misch Dec 11, 1986 Objective: The purpose of this project was to analyze the structural behavior of geodesic domes. So the results would apply to a self-constructed home/cottage, domes with a diameter of 40 feet were analyzed with the assumption that they would be built out of standard sized lumber. Introduction: The geodesic dome was invented by R. Buckminster Fuller. Fuller asserts that "There is no way for structural analysis to analyze a geodesic dome. This continues to be true, I think it is reprehensible." (1) While a dome may be difficult to analyse with a pencil and paper, Fuller's statement is certainly false in the age of the computers and finite element methods. All geodesic domes are derived from the spherical icosahedron. Higher "frequency" domes are built by subdividing each of the 20 spherical triangles of the basic icosahedron. Note that in the icosahedron (1 frequency) all vertices connect five lines. In other domes the frequency can be determined by the number of segments between pentagons, as seen in the 5 and 9 frequency domes of below. [IMAGE] [IMAGE] Nastran Model A preprocessor was written (attachment 1) to generate the nodes and connectivity of a general geodesic dome. This was a difficult phase of the project since the domes are not easily definable in spherical, cylindrical or Cartesian coordinated. The program will deal with domes of any frequency and radius and will output the complete NASTRAN bulkdata in the proper format. The models are conservative in that the only structural members are the rods or bars connecting the nodes. No triangular plates were included in the model, although they were assumed to prevent buckling of the two-node elements. The NASTRAN elements CROD and CBAR were used and will be referred to as rods and bars. The CROD element has extensional and torsional stiffness, while the CBAR element has extensional and torsional stiffness, and bending stiffness and transverse shear flexibility in two perpendicular directions. The two-node elements represented 'structural select' 2x4's and 2x6's cut from Douglas fir. Strength data, which accounts for expected knots and defects is presented: Modulus of elasticity1.75E6 psi Specific gravity 0.47 Strength tension parallel to grain 1200 psi compression parallel to grain 1600 psi shear parallel to grain95 psi Actual dimensions used for section properties were, in inches, 1.5x5.5 (2x6) and 1.5x3.5 (2x4), The larger of these dimensions was oriented towards the center of the dome. Four load cases were analyzed. The first case was a 1g gravity load resulting from the weight of the two-node elements. The acceleration specified in the GRAV card in conjunction with the mass matrix, produces this loading. The other three loadings were applied by producing FORCE cards in the preprocessor. The non-structural mass was estimated by calculating the mass of the average triangle on the dome. The area of the triangle was multiplied by the density of plywood, a thickness of 5/8 inch, and a scaling factor, A scaling factor of 2.5 was used throughout the analysis to account for shingling, metal joints, and nails. The mass was equally distributed to the three nodes of the triangle. A wind load was calculated according to the following relation: F = Cd Aeff p v^2/2 Cddrag coefficient of 0.6 Aeffprojected area of triangle on dome in wind direction vwind velocity pdensity of air Fwind load, distributed equally to three nodes No back side forces were applied and loads were applied only in the direction of the wind velocity. This is a somewhat limited model of the wind force, but the 100 mph wind speed is extreme and accounts for model limitations. The fourth load case was a 500 pound concentrated force normal to surface of the dome, applied at the top of the dome. This represents two heavy persons standing on top of the dome, though clearly one would not want to attempt this in 100 mph winds. A SUBCOM card was used to give the combined load of the four cases. Due to CPU cost restraints, high frequency domes were not analyzed. The following dome configurations were analyzed: freq rods bars 1 x 2 x x 3 x x Since 3-frequency domes are common for dwellings (they give reasonable span lengths for domes in this size range), a 3-frequency model with 2x4 bars was also analyzed. All other analysis was performed assuming 2x6 lumber. Analysis Although MSC/NASTRAN is a thoroughly proven code, the following checks were performed on the results. Forces and moments were summed at a number of nodes and the total was zero (within numerical limits). Total external loads were found to be equal to the reaction forces for the total system. Also, NASTRAN puts out an 'epsilon' value which indicates the difference between the internal and external work; this value was always below 1E-13 for the analyses presented. Results: The following summary of the results is presented for 40 foot domes. The margin of safety is output by NASTRAN based on strength limits supplied to it and is numerically one less than the safety factor. The compressive and tensile strengths used for the safety calculation were 1600 psi and 1200 psi respectively. ANALYSIS SUMMARY ------ rods ---------- ----- bars ------------- minimum minimum load strain tip safety strain tip safety freq case energy defl. margin energy defl. margin ---- ---- ------ ----- ------ ------ ----- ------- 1 grav 139 .061 11.0 2x6 wind 705 1.6 conc f 3 .011 63.O comb 2.3 2 grav 115 .O4 8.8 114 .039 8.8 2x6 wind 543 2.3 539 1.6 conc f 5 .021 35.0 5 .020 22.0 total 3.0 2.6 3 grav 92 .0296 lO.O 90 .0290 10.0 2x6 wind 410 3.2 404 1.8 conc f 7 .0303 23.O 7 .0270 11.0 total 3.5 3.0 3 grav 143 .O46 6.0 2x4 wind 641 1.5 conc f 11 .O45 7.9 total l.7 Gravity loads [IMAGE] It is seen that for gravity loads, there is not an appreciable difference in the behavior of the rod structure and bar structure; the safety margins and the deflections predicted at the top of the dome are essentially equal. This is because gravity loads all nodes in the same manner and the stresses are distributed around the skin of the dome in an even fashion. The element force output from Nastran for the bars verifies that the bending moments are negligible compared to the axial loads, The safety margins for this load case indicate that more non-structural mass could be added. Unfortunately, the available postprocessor would only display deflections, so the gravity load applied to each node is shown for only one node. Also shown is a tensegrity sphere, This is a variation of a geodesic dome where a tensile fiber holds the compressive members in a geodesic arrangement. This photo illustrates the ability of a geodesic dome to distribute loads throughout the structure. Notice the similarity of tensegrity sphere's deflected shape to the FEM deflection Plots. Wind load [IMAGE] The severity of the 100 mph wind load is seen in the tabulated strain energy figures. The safety margins for this load case are acceptable, however. It is interesting that the bar dome had lower safety margin than the rod dome, This is the result of the fact that the wind load varied in magnitude between adjacent nodes and tended to flatten the side of the dome that faced the wind, This flattening was resisted by the bending stiffness of the bars and the resulting stress combination was unfavorable. With the rods, the flattening was not resisted by bending stiffness and the wind loads were distributed to the rest of the dome, Although the axial loads were greater in the flattened region, no bending stresses were superimposed upon the cross-section. The total strain energy in the rod dome was greater but it was more evenly distributed. Concentrated load at top of dome Concentrated loads normal to the surface of the dome produce smaller deflections with the bar dome than with the rod dome. This can be deduced by considering bars with infinite bending stiffness. A concentrated load at the top node of such a dome would be vertically distributed to the adjacent five nodes, Alternatively, with rods, the vertical component of element forces must resist the applied load. With higher frequency domes, the vertical component in the rods becomes a smaller fraction of the total and the resistance to point loads is decreased. This effect due to increased dome frequency is evident in the tip deflection data in the previous table and is shown in figure 11. With very high frequency domes there must be some bending stiffness in the skin of the dome and often a dome-within-a dome construction is used, as in figure 16. Although the deflections are smaller for bars the safety margin is also less because of the superimposition of the bending stresses on the axial stress. As in the wind loading, large node-to-node differences in the load vector cause a bending effect in the skin of the dome. This is resisted by bending stiffness in the bars and the loads are prevented from being efficiently distributed to the rest of the structure (as they would with a tensegrity sphere or a ball-jointed rod dome). The combined load is dominated by the wind load and acceptable safety margins are predicted. The safety margin is actually increased over the wind load case because gravity compresses the element that was critically in tension due to the wind load, The analysis also shows that a 3-frequency dome constructed with 2x4's is sufficiently strong for the load cases studied. Discussion: With the safety margins predicted a number of variations on the loading and/or construction of the proposed dome are possible. More non-structural mass could be added to the structure for drywall and the like. Alternatively, less than structural select lumber could be used. A second level could be added to the dome with a central post and joists fanned out to appropriate joints. Note that for this type of setup and for the domes which were analyzed, slight geometry modifications are needed for the nodes/joints to lie in horizontal planes for flooring. The safety margins are desirable in that the actual structure will not have perfect joints, as the model did. The elements will have to be fastened to joints of appropriate geometry in an actual dome and stress concentrations and wood-splitting forces will be present. Commercially available dome kits would have to be examined for these considerations to be included in the analysis. The method of fastening at the joints will determine whether the structure will behave more like the rod or bar structures presented (not appreciably different under gravity load). Mounting 2x4's or 2x6's as pinned joints might amplify the stress concentration and wood-splitting effects, however. Summary of results: A geodesic dome is stable without the use of structural members that support bending; two-node elements with extensional stiffness are sufficient. Concentrated loads normal to the surface of the sphere produce smaller deflections when structural members can transmit bending moments. This effect is emphasized in higher frequency domes. A 40 foot diameter dome can be constructed with select structural 2x4's or 2x6's as the load bearing members with adequate safety factors for gravity, wind and concentrated loading. _________________________________________________________________ REFERENCES 1 _Synergetics_, R. Buckminster Fuller, MacMillan Publishing, 1975 2 Marks _Standard Handbook for Mechanical Engineers_, T. Baumeister, E. Avallone, T. Baumeister III, McGraw Hill, pages 6-128. UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:33:52 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DOME STRESS AUTHOR Comments: To: DOME HOME LIST QUOTE: DAVE MISCH'S PERSONAL HOME PAGE Thanks for stopping by my home page. I have been doing some java lately... Check out these groovy 3d applets... Java Parametric 3d models Surface z=f(x,y) [IMAGE] Sphere rho=f(phi,theta) [IMAGE] _________________________________________________________________ Back in 1986, I was taking a Finite Element Analysis course. In college I had become interested in Buckminster Fuller and geodesic domes. For the class, I wrote "An Analysis of the Structural Behavior of a Geodesic Sphere". [IMAGE] _________________________________________________________________ * Control Data's Home Page * Info*EngineTMHome Page * Other Personal Home Pages _________________________________________________________________ This page was produced for Dave Misch's personal use and is not supported by Control Data Systems, Inc. Feedback regarding these web pages may be sent to david.j.misch@cdc.com. UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:42:32 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: STIX-TRIX REVIEW -Reply In-Reply-To: ; from "Lawrence Couey" at Jul 26, 96 10:26 am Lawrence Couey writes: > Joe, > I appreciate your informational messages to the mail list, only... > When you email a "cut-n-paste'd" WWW page, could you please include the > URL!?!?! I'm having > to use YAHOO (and other search services) to find where you got the info from. > This is > especially true with documents containing images (where you've replaced them >with > "[IMAGE]") that I'm interested in. I'm using a text-only browser (LYNX) so what you see is what I see. Sorry. Sometimes in my haste I forget to note the URL. I've been using Altavista lately with the keyword "geodesic dome". > -- Lawrence_Couey@Novell.COM -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:35:03 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SUNCOAST ASPENSION DOME Comments: cc: DOME HOME LIST THE SUNCOAST ASPENSION DOME QUOTE: [IMAGE] Located in downtown St. Petersburg, the suncoast features a fabric dome that is 688 feet in diameter-the largest cable-supported, clear-span roof in the world, bigger than the astrodome and nearly every other air-supported fabric stadium roof. Another distinctive feature is its 6 degree tilt, designed to reflect the trajectory of a fly ball. The structure is known as a "cabledome". The system is intended to look like an air-supported structure without the attendant problems and expenses of inflation. The design features a primary structure consisting of a perimeter compression ring beam, concentric tension hoops, diagonal & ridge cables, compression struts and a center tension ring. The compression struts are arranged in concentric rings. The bottom of each ring of struts is connected by a tension hoop. The hoops and struts are "hung" from the tops of the adjacient struts by diagonal cables, which are arranged radially in plan and are bundled with the ridge cables The suncoast dome is a four-hoop structure with 140 0.6"diameter strands making up the largest hoop and 40 stands making up the smallest. The diagonal cables vary from four stands at the center tension ring to 52 strands at the outer post. The outermost set of diagonals connects the largest tension hoop--called "d-hoop" by the engineers--to the perimeter ring beam. The next ring of struts, at "c-hoop" is carried by the diagonal cables from the top of the d-struts to the bottom of the c-struts. The system repeats itself with the hoop elevations increasing to the conter. The innermost diagonals connect the top of a-struts to the lower center tension ring. Another way to look at the system: The ridge cables pull the hoops upward, holding the struts in place. The ridge cables are actually a cluster of cables, the greatest number of which are at the compression ring-- essentially the outer wall of the stadium. As each cable cluster passes over the top of a strut toward the center tension ring, a few cables drop off, thus serving as the diagonal cable cluster that tensions the next adjacent hoop. The structural system allows gravity loads to accumulate in the structure from the center to the perimeter. Thus, unlike a truss system--where the heaviest members are in the center of the span--the cabledome has its heaviest members at the perimeter of the span. The fabric membrane is stressed between the radial ridge cables of the primary structure and the radial valley cables, which in effect hold down the fabric. Installation of the entire roof, including fabricqation of the fabric pieces, was handled by Birdair Inc. and required about one year's work with a crew of about 30. [image] Go back to NJIT homepage. UNQUOTE. See: "Aspension" Jul 7, 1964 by R. Buckminster Fuller U.S.Patent 3,139,957 'Inventions' 1983 by R. Buckminster Fuller pages 201-13 "Cable Domes", Popular Science (magazine) 11-1-87 by John Free pages 88-89 Florida Suncoast Dome 1 Stadium Dr. St Petersburg, FL _____ USA (813)825-3100 http://www.freeways.com/findit/maps/TPA/STADIUM/4706.html Also, check out the Paperless Design of Fabric Structures project at the New Jersey Institute of Technology, especially the paper "The Role of Computing in the Design and Construction of Tensile Membrane Structures" by David M. Campbell. http://koenig.njit.edu/civil/suncst.html -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:35:38 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve White Organization: alpha dot net, corp. Subject: New Web Site Greetings, Earthlings, I have recently put up a web site that is going to be the springboard for a dome home and possibly an education center for renewable resources, alternative energy sources and living. Please browse http://www.barkingcat.org/ and leave your ideas and input on what we could do with the site regarding links, information and such. I won't go into detail here, simply visit our web site and let us know what you think. Also, it's a newborn web site (ie. not very pretty but practical ;-) so be kind when judging the page. Thanks for your attention. - Steve Steve White Technical Manager Alpha dot Net, Corp. - Milwaukee, WI, USA mailto:steve@alpha.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 22:03:51 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Adler Organization: Taconic Technology Corp. - TNET Subject: Re: Media Analysis: TWA 800 You'll have to pardon my ignorance, being a new member of this newsgroup and all, but what does this have to do with geodesic domes? Isn't there a alt.media.screwups or something? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:11:52 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: DOME STRESS AUTHOR Comments: To: James Fischer In-Reply-To: <199607270159.VAA14360@mujibur.inmind.com>; from "James Fischer" at Jul 26, 96 9:58 pm James Fischer writes: > Joe: > > DAVE MISCH'S PERSONAL HOME PAGE > Do you recall the URL? I presume it is at > cdc.com, but Control Data is a big company. http://cdswww.cdc.com/ie/people/dmisch > This guy seems to have done a simple version of > the Finite Element work that I have been putting > off for some months on one pretext or another. Sorry about that. I have seen the error of my ways. From now on I will include URLs. > james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:19:18 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: Struck and manufacturing Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <9607271411.AA07980@highway1.com.au>; from "John Mac Cosham" at Jul 27, 96 10:11 pm John Mac Cosham writes: > Eliminating the hubs of an octet truss would bring the price right down. A > machine could be made to assemble or weave octet trusses on site. I know > that Bucky once wrote that they could be woven. > I am talking of making trusses from wire or small steel rod. The high > strength of an octet truss allows for a superior weight to strength ratio. > Less material less cost. > Cheap simple octet truss building could see them being used in new ways, in > contrast to the expensive ones we usually see. > dharmraj See _Dymaxion World of RBF_, figures 283-91 (page 173). -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:13:15 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: MISC RBF URLS Comments: cc: DOME HOME LIST MISCELLANEOUS URLS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN RECENT POSTS Tensegrity models of cells. http://www.med.harvard.edu/bbs/fac/ingber.html Tony Gwilliam resume (former BFI exec). http://www.austria.eu.net/gv95/TonyGwilliamPers.html Tensegritoy model-building kit. http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/tenseg4.html Paul Flavin--tensegrity buff. http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/ Tensegrity beam. http://www.wai.com/Newsletter/Spring95/wanews1.html Georgia Dome, Atlanta, Georgia. http://www.wai.com/Showcase/Georgia/show-georgia.html Articles by R. Buckminster Fuller: 1928-1989 http://radon.gas.uug.arizona.edu/~shunter/rbf.txt Structural Behavior of a Geodesic Sphere by Dave Misch http://cdswww.cdc.com/ie/people/dmisch/geo1.html Virtual Synergetics Gallery. Struck Models. http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/html/struckvrml.html What I Am Trying to Do, by R. Buckminster Fuller http://www.ecomall.com/activism/bucky2.htm Hurricane Proof Rebuilding. Kauai, Hawaii. By: Bill Peay http://planet-hawaii.com/~billpeay/TECHT22.html Solid modelling project outline: Write c program for use in SilverScreen to allow user to design three-dimensional tensegrity structures. Ed Bruno. http://www.ecsel.psu.edu/~ebruno/outline.html Whole Earth Catalog review of Tensegritoy. http://www.well.net/mwec/learning/366.tensegritoy.html Snelson's Tensegrity Needle Tower at Kroller Museum, Otterlo, Holland. 1992. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/snelson.html The Superefficiency Trust Dymaxion House project. http://www.critpath.org/bfi/sedymax.html R. Buckminster Fuller. http://epf.org/pi/fuller.html "The Role of Computing in the Design and Construction of Tensile Membrane Structures" by David M. Campbell. (aspension domes) http://koenig.njit.edu/civil/skele.html -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 20:49:20 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: tensegrity Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com >Return-Path: wfc@virtu.com >Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 22:53:30 -0500 >From: Bill Collins >Organization: virtual image >To: pdx4d@teleport.com >Subject: tensegrity >X-URL: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/index.html > >I just put up a home page with scanned photos of tensegrity sculptures >I've done, its at > >http://www.virtu.com/wfc4 > >comments are welcome, and you could put a link there if you want to. >thanks, bye. > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 19:05:25 +1000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rob Lusher Subject: Starplate Does anyone know where I might obtain the "Starplate" building connectors from? They are a pressed metal plate with 5 attachment points suitable for building icosahedrons. Many thanks for help. PS...are there any Aussie dome enthusiasts out there?? Rob Lusher ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 09:57:12 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: STARPLATE CONNECTORS Comments: cc: DOME HOME LIST STARPLATE BUILDING SYSTEMS INFO Updated by Joe S Moore, 7-28-96 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Bolt-Plate Shelters for Your Yard" by Al Lees, 7-85 Popular Science,pp88-91 Kant-Sag/United Steel Products Starplate Bolt Plates Box 80 Miter Plates (Dealer?) Montgomery, MN 56069 Roof Cap ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Shop Talk" by Al Lees, 'Popular Science' magazine, 7-85, page ??. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- East-West Design, Inc. P.O.Box 6022 (Manufacturer) Madison, WI 53716-0022 1982 Patent Pending ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Starplate Connectors are available from: Stromberg's Chicken & Gamebirds Unlimited Box 400 Pine River, MN 56474 USA 1-800-720-1134 $42.95 plus shipping. These are boxed sets of 11 for constructing simple partial-icosahedral frameworks (henhouses, in this case). We've used them to build portable shade structures for our native plant nursery. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:14:24 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Bono Organization: HiLINE Internet Services, Inc. Subject: Re: critical path bbs In article <000018e3+0000076e@msn.com>, ASF1@msn.com says... > > Could someone tell me how to obtain access to the critical path >bbs? Do I need to pay for access? > thanks, Alan Ferguson Tried the BBS a couple of weeks ago. If you are on the internet try to telnet to: critpath.org Enter FIX at the login. The BBS is free. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:35:34 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marco Tognon Subject: Re: Books on Geodesic Maths; Again? Sure, why not? At 16:55 20/07/96 +0200, Christina Goestl wrote: >Some answers: > >The name of the book is: >"Synergetics - Explorations in the Geometry of Thinking" >R. Buckminster Fuller in collaboration with E.J. Applewhite >Preface and Contribution by Arthur L. Loeb, Harvard University > >published by: >Macmillan Publishing Company >866 Third Avenue, New York, N.Y. 10022 > >ISBN 0-02-065320-4 > >That should encrease the chance that it will happen. > >Christina aka Kagran > Thanks Christina, I noted the details of the book in my list. Today I received 2 other books by mail. I have to read them first. I do not give up to try to get other books. People as you are of great help. Thanks again. Marco Tognon from Belgium. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:53:17 GMT+0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Venter, Dawie" Organization: Infoplan, Cape Regional Office Subject: Re: Structural Behaviour Geodesic Sphere With reference to Dave Misch's URL (http://cdswww.cdc.com/ie/people/dmisch/geo1.html), Structural Behaviour of a Geodesic Sphere. The interesting thing about Dave's analysis was the structural loading applied to the model during the FEM analysis, and the dome's strength, even when 2x4 structural select lumber was used. If I interpret the information correctly, it appears that a 40 ft diameter dome, constructed of 2x4 Douglas Fir, still has a safety margin of 1.7, in spite of having the following combined load cases applied to it: 1) 1g gravity load resulting from the weight of the struts, plus... 2) the strut triangles were loaded by the equivalent mass of 5/8 inch plywood, scaled by a factor of 2.5 in the analysis to allow for the mass of shingling, metal joints and nails, plus.... 3) A 100 mph wind force applied in the direction of the wind velocity! (This wind speed is extreme. The Beaufort scale gives a winds peed of 73+ mph as a Hurricane), plus.... 4) A 500 pound concentrated force applied at the top of the dome. In the FEM analysis model, the plywood was sheeting was considered to be "non-structural" mass, thus not contributing to the strength of the 2x4 struts. In practice, I am of the opinion, that the plywood sheeting is not just a mass burden to the structure, but also contributes significantly to the overall structural strength. As Dave Misch concludes, the predicted safety margins makes variations on the loading and/or construction of the proposed dome possible. i.e. less than structural select lumber could be used. dawie.venter@iplan.co.za ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:42:02 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Oregon Dome, Inc" Subject: Re: Structural Behaviour Geodesic Sphere To all: Much of this information is not really new. It is nice to see it posted by other sources though. We have been building domes using 2x4's for years. In most cases, these domes require an additional insulation package added to the outside in the form of rigid foam which is bonded to an additional layer of sheathing (see the brochure Energy Advantages, #8 in our Oregon Dome Information Series). One of the important things to be aware of in this is that the douglas fir is the ideal wood for building domes with. Its flex strength is really remarkable, and we take advantage of it in not only the construction, but in the dome raising process, where it is used to push the panels into place. At 11:53 AM 7/30/96 GMT+0200, you wrote: >With reference to Dave Misch's URL >(http://cdswww.cdc.com/ie/people/dmisch/geo1.html), Structural >Behaviour of a Geodesic Sphere. > >The interesting thing about Dave's analysis was the structural loading >applied to the model during the FEM analysis, and the dome's >strength, even when 2x4 structural select lumber was used. If I >interpret the information correctly, it appears that a 40 ft >diameter dome, constructed of 2x4 Douglas Fir, still has a safety >margin of 1.7, in spite of having the following combined load cases >applied to it: > >1) 1g gravity load resulting from the weight of the struts, plus... >2) the strut triangles were loaded by the equivalent mass of 5/8 >inch plywood, scaled by a factor of 2.5 in the analysis to allow for >the mass of shingling, metal joints and nails, plus.... >3) A 100 mph wind force applied in the direction of the wind velocity! (This >wind speed is extreme. The Beaufort scale gives a winds peed of 73+ >mph as a Hurricane), plus.... >4) A 500 pound concentrated force applied at the top of the dome. > >In the FEM analysis model, the plywood was sheeting was considered >to be "non-structural" mass, thus not contributing to the strength >of the 2x4 struts. In practice, I am of the opinion, that the >plywood sheeting is not just a mass burden to the structure, but >also contributes significantly to the overall structural strength. >As Dave Misch concludes, the predicted safety margins makes >variations on the loading and/or construction of the proposed dome >possible. i.e. less than structural select lumber could be used. > >dawie.venter@iplan.co.za > > Thanks, Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. E-mail: oregon@domes.com Web: http://www.domes.com Address: 3215 Meadow Lane, Eugene OR 97402 Fax: (541) 689-9275 Phone: (800) 572-8943 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:09:52 GMT+0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Venter, Dawie" Organization: Infoplan, Cape Regional Office Subject: Re: Structural Behaviour Geodesic Sphere Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc, wrote: > One of the important things to be aware of in this is that the douglas fir > is the ideal wood for building domes with. Its flex strength is really > remarkable ...(snipped for brevity). Hi Nathan, good to hear from you again. The predicted safety margin for the 2x4 douglas fir geodesic dome, with reference to Dave Misch's FEM analysis, is directly dependent on the material properties assigned to the lumber used. In the FEM analysis model, the following were applied: Modulus of elasticity 1.75E6 psi. Tension parallel to the grain 1200 psi. Compression parallel to the grain 1600 psi. Shear parallel to the grain 95 psi. Specific gravity 0.47 (no unit of measure provided) I've got an engineering text book, which provides completely different properties for kiln dried douglas fir structural timber. Could you perhaps assist in providing some reliable information about the required material properties for structural grade 2x4 douglas fir. The reason for this is that I am still developing my fibreglass dome, and would be very interested to calculate what glass laminate configuration has the equivalent (or better) material properties of douglas fir. Dawie Venter ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:50:21 -0400 Reply-To: WENNE1 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WENNE1 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Geodesic Math and University of California Press I have a photocpy of the book Geodesic Math and How to Use It on 8.5" x 11" paper. With UCB Press' cooperation, I would contribute what little I can in an effort to get the book into electronic form. (UCB Press owns the copyright, not Hugh Kenner.)Email me directly, I am rarely in this news group. How'd I get the photocopy? When I lived in Berekely I visited the UCB Press building where I found nice, cooperative, friendly people who loaned me an archive copy of the book for my expressed purpose of photocopying it.