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Date:         Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:36:47 -0800
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From:         "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
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Dear Sir,

In your 8-24-95 playlist the following item appears: Buckminster
Fuller "Critical Path"

Do you have any details on that item?  I would like to forward the
info to the GEODESIC LIST which discusses anything having to do with
the work of R. Buckminster Fuller.  Thank you.

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Date:         Fri, 1 Nov 1996 02:58:05 CST
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From:         "J. Michael Rowland" <jmr@MANAGEMENT21.COM>
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Subject:      Re: What Bucky book should I read?

"BuckyWorks" by J. Baldwin is probably the most accessible (easiest to read)
book about Fuller.
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From:         Kenneth Goldsmith <kennyg@BWAY.NET>
Subject:      Re: CRITICAL PATH
Comments: To: "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com>

At 4:36 PM 10/31/96, Joe S. Moore wrote:
>Dear Sir,
>
>In your 8-24-95 playlist the following item appears: Buckminster
>Fuller "Critical Path"
>
>Do you have any details on that item?

Sure. It's from a 2 record set called "Revolutions Per Minute (The Art
Record)  published in 1982 by the Ronald Feldman Gallery, 31 Mercer St.
NYC. It's 2:52 of Bucky giving his rap about how an unknown individual
might be able to to benefit humanity in ways that nations, religions, or
corporations might not (using himself as the best example). I wish it was
longer but it's extremely powerful in its brevity.

Kenny

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kennyg@bway.net                  work: http://www.ubuweb.com
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From:         James Fischer <jfischer@SUPERCOLLIDER.COM>
Subject:      Re: What Bucky book should I read?

        You could start with "Nine Chains To The Moon",
        and work forward through ALL the Bucky books by
        the date the book was published, but Nine Chains
        might be a hard book to find.

        In actual fact "A Fuller Explanation", and other
        "survey/overview books" ABOUT Bucky, but not BY
        Bucky might be a better way to start.

        I myself like the book "Buckminster Fuller - An
        Autobiographical Monologue/Scenario" by Robert
        Snyder as a "first book" I might hand someone.
        A good overview.  Sort of an "interview" of
        Bucky with pictures, and decent explanations of
        major events.

        "A Fuller Explanation" might also be a good place
        to start.  "Fuller's Earth" is also good, as it is
        the BEST intro to the basic concepts behind Bucky's
        structures.  Most people ignore it, since it is
        supposed to be "for kids".  Bull.  It is a workshop
        and lecture in one easy-to-use package!

        (I am writing this on yet another airplane, so I cannot
        walk to my den to get the ISBNs and other such info for
        these books. Will someone post the details?  I have no
        idea when I will decide to go home.)

        From these starting points, you could pick up whatever
        interests you...

      Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes!

james fischer                  jfischer@supercollider.com
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Be sure to look at the actual patent in the "Inventions" collected
patents of Buscky Fuller book.
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From:         "C. J. Monahan" <monahan@EDEN.COM>
Subject:      Re: What Bucky book should I read?

The Snyder book contains the saying Bucky heard when he decided not to
commit suicide:
"You need no longer await temporal attestation to your thoughts."

This statement says more about his intelectual courage than perhaps
anything else I've read by/about him.

An excellent read/starting point.

>        You could start with "Nine Chains To The Moon",
>        and work forward through ALL the Bucky books by
>        the date the book was published, but Nine Chains
>        might be a hard book to find.
>
>        In actual fact "A Fuller Explanation", and other
>        "survey/overview books" ABOUT Bucky, but not BY
>        Bucky might be a better way to start.
>
>        I myself like the book "Buckminster Fuller - An
>        Autobiographical Monologue/Scenario" by Robert
>        Snyder as a "first book" I might hand someone.
>        A good overview.  Sort of an "interview" of
>        Bucky with pictures, and decent explanations of
>        major events.
>
>        "A Fuller Explanation" might also be a good place
>        to start.  "Fuller's Earth" is also good, as it is
>        the BEST intro to the basic concepts behind Bucky's
>        structures.  Most people ignore it, since it is
>        supposed to be "for kids".  Bull.  It is a workshop
>        and lecture in one easy-to-use package!
>
>        (I am writing this on yet another airplane, so I cannot
>        walk to my den to get the ISBNs and other such info for
>        these books. Will someone post the details?  I have no
>        idea when I will decide to go home.)
>
>        From these starting points, you could pick up whatever
>        interests you...
>
>      Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes!
>
>james fischer                  jfischer@supercollider.com
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From:         Kiyoshi Kuromiya <kiyoshi@CRITPATH.ORG>
Subject:      Re: What Bucky book should I read?

>At 2:03 PM 10/31/96, Don Schenck wrote:

>>Anyway ... now that I've been "baptized" into the world of Buckyology <g>,
>>I want to read MORE about this 20th century genius.
>>
>>What should I read, and in what order???


Don--
   I would suggest these RBF books in the following order:

1.  Critical Path-- the overview of his thinking in a political, economic,
historic, and evolutionary context.
2.  Cosmography-- his last iteration of his geometry in a narrative context
3.  Synergetics I and II-- the definitive framework (whole system) of his
thinking
4.  Inventions-- the collected patents of RBF, working models of his thinking

--Kiyoshi
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Guide to the Manuscript Collections

Entries beginning with "D", "E", and "F"

"FULLER, R. BUCKMINSTER (1895-1983). PAPERS, 1928-75. 0.4 cu. ft.
Poet, philosopher, inventor, engineer, and architect who developed
the geodesic dome, a ground based dome with no limiting dimensions.
Collection consists of correspondence and articles by Fuller and
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Date:         Sat, 2 Nov 1996 09:37:12 -0700
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From:         Kirby Urner <pdx4d@TELEPORT.COM>
Subject:      Re: Seeking Information
Comments: To: "B.D.S. Rallon" <dsrallon@philonline.com.ph>
Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com

Dear Sir --

Thanks for you inquiry.

Historically, the dome concept came later in Fuller's architectural drawings
than more vertical, skyscraper-like constructions.  As you probably know, Fuller
was aware of tension and compression as the two co-operative principles in any
structure, and analyzed these two into 90 degree relationships.  A favorite
example is the tensed roped which, because of the applied tension,
wants to squeeze-contract around its girth, at 90 degrees to this applied
force.  Another example is the old wooden barrel, made of staves (curved
wooden panels, wedge-shaped and arranged in a cylindar, side-by-side).  The
barrel has a metal band midway about its girth, to counter the outward
bulging of the water's pressure.  The staves want to explode outward, radially,
while the metal band runs circumferentially around the outside, at 90 degrees
to the radial tendency, provided the countering tension needed to keep the
barrel functional.  My understanding is that modern skyscrapers such as the
World Trade Center have a similar tendency to bulge outward girth-wise, given
the tremendous weight of the supported tower, so that banded steel is sometimes
given a tensile role in keeping this kind of structure functional -- I don't
have intimate knowledge of WTC design however, so you should check my facts
here and not use me as an authority on this topic.

Leading from this analysis of a 90-degree complementary relationship between
tension and compression, Fuller came to a second point, which is that you can
get a lot more bang for your buck (figuratively speaking) if you invest in
tensile strength primarily, compressive strength secondarily.  For example,
very strong glues are able to withstand amazing tensile loads, with the
proverbial metal safe hanging from a small surface area where some high
powered super glue is affixed.  Similarly, metal cables have an easier time
supporting the weight of a traffic-laden bridge that would the same metal
invested in purely compressive strategies.  You can hang by a thread, but
you can't support your weight using thread in compression (Indian rope trick
notwithstanding).

Given the above, Fuller's strategy from early on was to look for ways to give
tension the starring role in his structures.  To this end, his tower designs
were more like suspension bridges:  a central mast thrust vertically through
the core of the building.  This 'utility pole' would be the place to put some
elevator shafts, plumbing, wiring i.e. it could be hollow.  The floorspace
would then be suspended from this central mast, by running tension cabling
out and down, perhaps with horizontal undergirders supporting each floor by
attaching the the utility mast at the center, and fanning out to the tensile
outer sheath, giving us a cylindrical building.  This strategy (central mast,
tensile sheath) rolled forward in time, taking different shapes, such as the
Dymaxion House.  When the dome came along, Fuller saw it as handling tension
and compression in the shell itself, the so-called 'tensegrity dome' (or
sphere) illustrating the isolate nature of compression, versus the binding
tensile schematic, in which the compression-islands are embedded.  And when
it comes to showing tension and compression in pure demonstration, you can't
beat the artwork of Ken Snelson.[1]

The other structure you mention "the tetrahedron space frame thing" was also
pioneered by Alexander Graham Bell [2], much as Fuller's dome had a precursor in
the design of Walter Bauersfeld [3] -- seems our age was meant to have these
discoveries.  The so-called octet-truss is the skeletal framework left over
when you pack spheres together, 12 around a nuclear one, and outwardly from
there in successive layers, a growing cuboctahedron with 12, 42, 92... spheres
in each layer.  This is identical to the so-called 'face-centered cubic packing'
(fcc) but minus the fixation of the cube as the object of reference.  I find
Fuller's nucleated cuboctahedron a far more intuitively satisfying scenario for
generating the octet-truss than the cube-based one, another demonstration of
how going with a more 60-degree-based schema (the cubocta is 4 intersecting
hexagons).  Once you've got the spheres, you connect adjacent centers with
rods and disappear the spheres:  voila, the octet truss.  It consists of
tetrahedral and octahedral voids, of relative volume 1:4 and relative abundance
of 2:1 respectively.[4]

This octet truss, or isotropic vector matrix, might be more conducive to the
modular architectures you talk about.  It can be shaped into any number of
structures, leaving spaces to swap in various modules of various shapes.
It's a kind of all-purpose skeleton with a lot of structural integrity.  You
could use it as a floatable platform on the ocean (anchored with tension
cables) while building a superstructure of some complexity using some of
the same skeleton, plus throw in some domes or spheres (theaters, green spaces,
agricultural enclosures).  This floating environment could be designed with
a lot of modularity, such that new solutions could be swapped in, old ones
airlifted away for disassembly and recycling (or reuse in more appropriate
settings).  You could have an airstrip or two.  We're looking at something
like an aircraft carrier with less need to self-propel (the individual modules
that comprise the structure may have been outfitted to self-propel, but once
the assembly is complete and anchored, there's no intent to have this thing
move around -- though it would certainly be a good base for other floatables
and submersibles that do.

As a footnote to all this, I wonder if you heard about the plan to put a huge
geodesic dome at the old Subic Naval Base, now looking for a new mission,
perhaps
as some kind of Universal Studios for the Asian-based multimedia industry (this
is the latest plan I heard).  The engineer charged with looking into this was
in San Diego in July of 1995, where he sought out Don Richter, Amy Edmondson,
and ran into myself.  I gave him Rick Bono's geodesic dome software package [5]
(express mailed it when I got back to PDX).  He had dome-building experience
already, but the prospect of a 1000 ft. dome was a bit duanting.  He was hoping
to maybe scale back the Philippine government's expectations in this regard.
Anyway, I thought this was an interesting idea with a lot of potential.  For
a little more on this thread, check the footnotes (there the text says Clark,
but I think maybe the idea was for Subic).[6]

Yours,

Kirby


NOTE:

[1] http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/snelson.html
[2] http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/bell.html
[3] http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/domehist.html
[4] http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ivm.html
[5] http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/html/domes.html
[6] http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/geni2.html

PS:  I'm forwarding my reply to Synergetics-L and Geodesic in case others want
to pick up the ball and run with it.

At 07:18 PM 11/2/96 +0800, you wrote:
>
>                                                            02 November 1996
>
>Dear Mr. Urner,
>
>        I'm a graduating architecture student of the University of the
>Philippines. I'm doing a thesis on capsule architecture. Capsule
>architecture is a concept developed by Arch. Kisho Kurokawa of the
>Metabolist Movement of Japan. It involves buildings or structures that allow
>one to plug in spaces or remove spaces from a building  without compromising
>the structural integrity of the whole building. What I'm trying to do in my
>thesis is to create a new kind of capsule architecture blending the
>synergetics concept (the tetrahedron space frame thing) of Mr. Bucky Fuller
>and Arch. Kurokawa's capsule architecture concept.
>
>        I would like to know if this concept of Mr. Fuller is limited only
>to geodesic domes. What I'm trying to do is apply the concept of geodesic
>domes into a skyscraper. Is this concept possible?
>If you're aware of any building employing the tetrahedron concept of Mr
>Fuller can you please
>send me more information?
>
>        Your response would help me greatly in completing my thesis.
>
>        Thank you.
>
>
>                                    B. Dino S. Rallon
>
>                                    dsrallon@philonline.com.ph

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I was cruzing and found this web site. It needs everyones attention.
Please check it out.
HTTP://web4rb.com/hdhs/
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On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, Aaron H wrote:

> I was cruzing and found this web site. It needs everyones attention.
> Please check it out.
> HTTP://web4rb.com/hdhs/

     Why would anyone waste the time to check out a web site with no hint
regarding what it is about?

     Is this any better than spamming?  Can we have people removed from
the list for pointless advertising that obviously has nothing to do witht
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Subject:      Request for interview.

        My name is Tali Sanvik and I am a Sophomore at the Singapore
American School.  I am working on a persuasive research paper to identify
who I consider to be the most important and influential person of the
twentieth century. Many students have chosen Sigmund Freud and Hitler, but
I wanted to chose someone others didn't know:  Richard Buckminster Fuller.
        My research paper must include two interviews, but i am having
difficulty finding people with sufficient knowledge of Buckminster Fuller
to interview in Singapore.  In scanning the Internet, I ran across your
e-mail address and hoped that you might assist me.
        If you are able to, please answer the following questions and
e-mail me at:
                sanvik@pacific.net.sg
        I would truly appreciate your help  in making this research paper a
great one. If you have any other information you would to allow me to use,
I would be very grateful. Thanks again.
* What influence do you believe Fuller has on people today?
* How and when did you become aware of Fuller?
* Did Bucky influence you in any way? If so, how?
* How did people's views change after the geodesic dome was created?
Synergetic Geometry?
* In general, what do you think about Bucky's work?
* Do you believe he was one of the most important and inspiring people of
the twentieth century? If so, why?
        Thanks again, I would love to hear from you as soon as possible. I
truly appreciate your helpfulness!
                                                        THANK YOU,
                                                                Tali Sanvik
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"Certainly one of the more bizarre Holy Modal Rounders shows was held
in
Philadelphia, PA, in the mid 1970's.  They were booked into the
Cherry Tree Club. One of the people who was helping run the
cooperative was working in the office of Buckminster Fuller (the
developer of the geodesic dome, the dymaxion auto, and the first to
suggest that the hot water taps be coded red and the cold ones blue--
among other accomplishments), Bucky-- then in his late 80's, opined
that he always wanted to be a "song and dance" man.  So "Professor
Fuller, from the University" did a guest set of three songs,
accompanied by the Holy Modal Rounders. He sang (if we could call it
that--he was deaf as a post) two of his compositions: "Roam home to a
dome" and "My Dymaxion Baby" and then did a vaudville number he
recalled from his chidhood.  It was a hoot.  Someone from the U.of P.
got it on video."

Julian Winston <jwinston@ACTRIX.GEN.NZ>

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Date:         Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:14:35 -0600
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From:         Chuck Knight <cknight@FLASH.NET>
Subject:      Bucky SINGS?!

> So "Professor
> Fuller, from the University" did a guest set of three songs,
> accompanied by the Holy Modal Rounders. He sang (if we could call it
> that--he was deaf as a post) two of his compositions: "Roam home to a
> dome" and "My Dymaxion Baby" and then did a vaudville number he
> recalled from his chidhood.  It was a hoot.  Someone from the U.of P.
> got it on video."

Is this the one that he was singing at the end of the "Thinking Out
Loud"
documentary?  "Like Groepius, Corbu (sp) and Wright...  Roam, home to a
dome..."  If so, Fuller wasn't all *that* bad.  He was certainly a
better
singer than many of the so called "artists" today.  (rap was invented
for
the tone-deaf)

     -- Chuck Knight
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Date:         Mon, 4 Nov 1996 04:08:11 CST
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From:         "J. Michael Rowland" <jmr@MANAGEMENT21.COM>
Organization: Management 21 Inc.
Subject:      Re: http://online.anu.edu.au/ITA/ACAT/drw/jitterbug.mov

Joe sends:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

> ------=_NextPart_000_01BBC89F.B5C59240
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> Jitterbug anim (95K Quicktime movie)
> ====================================================

I'm just curious; did anyone else actually receive a MIME-encoded QuickTime
movie as part of or attached to this post? (Usually, MIMEs, even those my UUCP
gateway can't translate, come through as attached text files that I can then
decode using Mpack.)
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Date:         Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:00:59 GMT
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From:         "Robert E. Kuunders" <Kuunders@GEO.TUDELFT.NL>
Organization: Geo-Information
Subject:      Vacant chairs in GIS at Faculty of Geodetic Engineering
Comments: To: GEOGRAPH@SEGATE.SUNET.SE

Faculty of Geodetic Engineering
Delft University of Technology
The Netherlands

ABOUT THE FACULTY OF GEODETIC ENGINEERING
The Faculty of Geodetic Engineering provides the academic education
leading to the degree of geodetic engineer. Teaching and research focus
on physical geodesy, satellite geodesy, mathematical geodesy, land
surveying, photogrammetry, remote sensing, gis technology,
cartography, geo-information engineering, land information, land
consolidation, urban land development and real estate law.

The Faculty of Geodetic Engineering currently has two openings for
full professors (tenured):

PROFESSOR F/M OF GIS TECHNOLOGY (full time)

and

PROFESSOR F/M OF GEO-INFORMATION ENGINEERING (full time)

For more information look at:

http://www.geo.tudelft.nl/positions/

or send e-mail to: kuunders@geo.tudelft.nl
with a subject line: GIS PROF ADVERT

It will bounce back the plain text of the announcement.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:07:08 -0800
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From:         "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
Subject:      Fw: syn-l: Tensegrity structures and membranes
Comments: To: DOMES LIST <DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com>

----------
> From: David Christie <dc@netscape.com>
> To: synergetics-l@teleport.com
> Subject: Re: syn-l: Tensegrity structures and membranes
> Date: Tuesday, November 05, 1996 12:42 PM
>
> Chuck Knight wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps someone could help me.  My old interest in buoyant
aircraft
> > (blimps et al) has resurfaced, and a thought occurred to me.  I
was
> > building tensegrity structures a while back with rubber bands
> > providing tension.  How would it change, if I used a membrane to
> > provide this same tension?  I tried to work out the force vectors
in
> > my mind, and I kept getting confused.
>
> I have done something similar, which is to skin a tensegrity with
fabric
> panels.  I think I can describe the geometry you need for your
membrane.
>
> The particular tensegrity I worked with was a 6-push icosa.
(Struck
> .RBF file attached -- twice, once as plain text and once as encoded
> binary.)  I will use this as an example, because it's simple, but
you
> can use this approach with any tensegrity geodesic.
>
> Here are some things to consider about "skinned" tensegrities:
>
> 1.    There is no need for elastic members (rubber bands) in a
tensegrity.
> Fuller and Snelson's tensegrities mostly used aircraft cable and
steel
> or aluminium rods -- not especially elastic!  In fact they were a
tiny
> bit elastic, as all materials are, and a tiny bit is all that is
> required to make a tensegrity not-quite-rigid, giving it some
"spring".
> When building models, use non-elastic wire and rigid rods, rather
than
> stretchy components like rubber bands.  If you calculate the
dimensions
> of the cables and rods correctly, the structure will still be tense
and
> have a little spring (because even rigid wire stretches a little
bit,
> and even rigid rods bend or compress a little bit).  That's all you
want
> -- so it's tight as a bowstring.  In fact, a guitar string or
bowstring
> is a great example of what you should seek -- neither is like a
rubber
> band, both are almost but not quite inelastic. Ever try to play a
guitar
> strung with rubber bands?  Shoot an arrow with a bungie cord for a
> bowstring?  Way too saggy.
>
> 2.    The skin of a tensegrity can be made from inelastic materials.
To
> enclose my 6-push sphere, I used fabric panels, but I could have
used
> plywood sheets, so long as I taped them together at their edges so
that
> they could fold along the edges.  There was no need for the skin
panels
> themselves to bend -- they all remained flat and the same shape,
always,
> no matter how the tensegrity flexed.  The flexing caused the
dihedral
> angles between adjacent faces to change, but not the shapes of the
> faces.  Each face also rotated and moved in and out in space (its
> corners moved) but the face's shape did not distort.  I could have
used
> granite slabs, with hinges joining them along their edges!
>
> 3.    In the 6-push tensegrity icosa, you can't skin all 20 faces of
the
> icosahedron, but you can still make a complete enclosure (but not
one
> that's completely convex).  That's because 6 of the 30 icosa edges
are
> not present in this tensegrity.  These 6 edges are omitted (not
strung
> with cables) although the other 24 each correspond to a cable.  The
> tensegrity therefore has 6 "sinuses" or concavities, one for each
of its
> 6 push rods, just "outboard" of the push rod.  (See the attached
Struck
> model.)
>       To make a skin of triangular panels that won't distort when the
> tensegrity flexes, you skin 8 of the 20 triangles of the icosa, and
then
> you skin each concavity with two inward-slanting triangles (12 more
> triangular panels).  The 8 triangles are equilateral, and each
touches 3
> of the rod ends at its corners.  The 12 triangles are isosceles,
and
> each touches two rod ends with two of its verticies and uses
another rod
> as the opposite edge -- that is, its longest edge runs along the
push
> rod it slants in towards.  Every one of the 8 equilateral
triangular
> faces is surrounded by 3 isosceles faces.  You can see how this
works
> from the Struck model, with a bit of peering (you have to imagine
the
> panels because Struck only does "wireframe" models).
>       Other tensegrity geodesics will have different geometries, but all
will
> need some concavities.  If you build a wire-and-dowel model of you
> favorite tensegrity first, you will easily discover where the rigid
> panels can be attached to completely enclose the sphere.  Some will
be
> "on the surface" and some will be "angled inward", forming
concavities.
> The flexing of the tensegrity will change the dihedral angles
between
> these panels very slightly, but will not distort the shape of any
panels
> -- in fact it holds the shape of those faces even in a wireframe
model,
> where there are no rigid face panels.
>
> 4.    Even with rigid panels, you still need rigid push rods, to hold
this
> skin "open" and keep it tensed, or it will fold in on itself.  The
> triangular face panels themselves (8 equilateral and 12 isosceles)
can
> replace all the cables, as long as they are made of material that
won't
> stretch much.  Just tape them together at their edges, or use edge
> hinges, but be sure they can fold at their edges a bit (just a few
> degrees is enough).  You don't need cables at all if the panels are
made
> of non-stretchy material -- even fabric or polyethelene might be
OK,
> those these materials do stretch a bit.
>
> 5.    In the 6-push icosa, the correct dimensions are calculated
according
> to the "golden mean", or Phi.  If the cable length (also the edge
length
> of the 8 equilateral triangles) is 1, then the push rods should be
> exactly 1.61803398 or as close as you can get, a constant called by
the
> greek letter "Phi" which is equal to (sqrt(5)+1)/2.  Phi defines
the
> "golden mean" because 1:Phi as Phi:(1+Phi), that is, if two things
are
> related in this golden ratio then it is also the case that the
bigger of
> them is related to their sum in this golden ratio.
>       You can make the rods slightly bigger than Phi to make the
tensegrity
> "extra tight", but this isn't necessary, and will bend the rods or
> stretch the tension members (cables or skin), distorting the
geometry.
> The structure is already "perfect tight" if the rod length is
exactly
> Phi, provided the rods are rigid and the tension members are not
very
> elastic.  To make a perfect tensegrity, use the most rigid
materials you
> can, and use exactly the golden ratio.
>       Other tensegrity geodesics require different rod-to-cable ratios;
these
> are only for the 6-push icosa, of course.
>
> Chuck Knight wrote:
> >
> > I think something as simple as a tensegrity structure could
provide
> > the needed framework, and the outer envelope itself could become
> > structural.
> > This would have great benefits in weight reduction and simplicity
of
> > design and construcion.
>
> I think this is an interesting idea.  One of the weaknesses of
> dirigibles was that their frames were not sufficiently resilient,
and
> could "crack" under sudden wind gusts.  A tensegrity frame would be
far
> stronger, because it would simply compress the gas a bit under
stress,
> then come back.
>
> > I just don't know how to model the inner continuous membrane.
Even
> > Struck uses discrete tension vectors...anyone done this kind of
thing?
> > I would think it would be similar to a membrane roof design.
>
> Remember, the continuous membrane is the tension membrane (cable
net, or
> contiguous net of face panels).  The compression forces are
provided by
> push rods, which are always discontinuous (their ends don't touch).
>
> Although Struck uses discrete tension vectors, the "blue" or tensed
> vectors form a complete closed network, or "mesh bag" like the kind
of
> thing you carry oranges in.  The "red" or compressed vectors are
like
> sticks propped across the interior of the mesh bag, to hold it
open.
> They always are "in the interior", except at their ends, though the
> larger the frequency of the geodesic, the closer to the surface
they lie
> (and the more vulnerable to collapse the structure is from
"dimpling").
>
> You can use Struck for your modelling.  There is nothing different
> structurally between Struck's wireframe models and the kind of
> rigid-panel skinned structures I have described here.  Their
dynamic
> behavior will be the same.  Just get the dimensions right!
>
> Good luck in your project.
> --
> David Christie          Netscape Communications Corporation
> dc@netscape.com         685-1 East Middlefield Road
> 415-937-4407            Mountain View, CA  94043
> RBF_Begin
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> J 0.380147 -0.889741 -0.079931
> J 0.685849 0.680586 0.057761
> J -0.690774 -0.679728 -0.057697
> J 0.785982 -0.106122 -0.557244
> J -0.107868 -0.460596 -0.845249
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> S0 0 1
> S0 0 6
> S0 9 0
> S0 2 0
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> S0 3 1
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> S0 5 2
> S0 3 2
> S0 3 5
> S0 4 3
> S0 8 4
> S0 7 4
> S0 11 5
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Date:         Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:44:17 -0500
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From:         Blaine DAmico <damico@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Subject:      URL SPAM
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SGI.3.91r.961102152956.20540A-100000@freenet>

On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, Brian K Petroski wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, Aaron H wrote:
>
> > I was cruzing and found this web site. It needs everyones attention.
> > Please check it out.
> > HTTP://web4rb.com/hdhs/
>
>      Why would anyone waste the time to check out a web site with no hint
> regarding what it is about?

I decided to check it out.  Seems we aren't the only ones who got hit with
this.  The webmaster posted the following message at this url.

"Due to the inconsiderate act by one of my customers, the URL referenced
in the message posted to your newsgroup has been changed. It has
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with your newsgroup. I apologize for this and any
inconvenience this might have caused.

webmaster@web4rb


Saturday, November 02, 1996 10:55:12 PM"

Hopefully the guy got his net rights revoked as well.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:53:05 -0500
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From:         Aaron Fiske <ride0098@RIDE.RI.NET>
Organization: Student
Subject:      High School Research Project

I'm a Senior at a High School in Massachusetts.  I have to do a project in
physics for a science fair as well as for the class.  I've been interested
in the works of Bucky Fuller for some time, since I found Grunch of Giants
in the library.

Anyhow, the point is:  I want to do my project on something like the
tetrahedral coordinate system, geodesic domes, or tensegrity.  I'd just
like some ideas on how to go about this, if you have the time and
inclination :)  I plan on getting a few of his books also, but I've been
reading the replies to the 'What books to read?' thread, so there's no need
to be using space on that.

I don't want to make it look like I'm just mooching off people, I _do_ plan
to do the work myself.  Any random ideas, or help you could provide if
you're around SE Mass, though, would really help.

Thanks!

(I'd also be willing to share the results, if they turn out worthwhile in
any way :))

Aaron Fiske
ride0098@ride.ri.net           afiske@usa.net
http://www.aasp.net/~cmodules/test/aaron.html
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Date:         Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:51:38 -0800
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From:         "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
Subject:      Fw: Final program of IFIP conference at SENAI,
              Brazil next February

----------
> From: Tak Utsumi <utsumi@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
> To:
> Subject: Final program of IFIP conference at SENAI, Brazil next
February
> Date: Wednesday, November 06, 1996 1:56 PM
>
> <<November 6, 1996>>
>
> Dear Electronic Colleagues:
>
> (1)   ATTACHMENT I below is the final program of the International
Conference
>       of the International Federation of Information Processing
(IFIP) to be
>       held at SENAI in Florianopolis, Brazil from February 3 to 5,
1997.
>
> (2)   ATTACHMENT II below is an excerpt of our paper "Low Cost
>       Teleconferencing for Affordable and Accessible Electronic
Distance
>       Education" which will be presented during our one day
workshop on
>       February 3.
>
>       When the funds will be available from the InfoDev of the
World Bank, we
>       will conduct various demonstrations in the afternoon of the
February
>       3rd, as described in the excerpt.
>
> (3)   I highly commend you to attend this conference.
>
> (4)   Hope to see you there.
>
> Best, Tak
>                    ****************************************
>
>                                  ATTACHMENT I
>
>
>                            International Conference
>
>                  Information Technology for Competitiveness -
>          Experiences and Demands for Education and Vocational
Training
>                      http://www.ctai.rct-sc.br/ifip-wg9.4
>
> IFIP (International Federation of Information Processing)
> Working Group 9.4: Information Technology in Developing Countries
>
> in cooperation with
>
> - UNESCO Brasilia
> - DSE German Foundation for International Development, Bonn
> - CIET International SENAI Center for Education, Labour and
>         Technology Transfer, Rio de Janeiro
> - SBC Brazilian Computer Society, Rio de Janeiro
> - UFSC Federal University of Santa Catarina, Florianopolis
> - CTAI/SENAI Technology Center for Automation and Informatics,
Florianopolis
>
> Coordinates:   Florianopolis, Santa Catarina, Brasil
> Location:      CTAI/SENAI - Centro de Tecnologia em Automacao e
Informatica
> Date:          February, 3 - 5 1997
>
>    Monday, February 3:     Tutorials
>
>    Tuesday, February 4:    plenary sessions in the morning,
>                            parallel working groups in the afternoon
>
>    Wednesday, February 5:  plenary sessions in the morning,
>                            parallel working groups in the afternoon
>
>
> Aim of the Conference
>
> - To establish a better understanding for the need of international
> cooperation within Mercosul, South America and engaged countries
between
> training institutions in the field of information technology and
> telecommunication for education and vocational training via
computermediated
> communication, multimedia, Internet, videoconferencing, etc.
>
> - To support small and medium sized enterprises (SME) to improve
regional and
> global competitiveness by introducing information and
telecommunication
> technology for networking
>
> - To exchange experiences, strategies, challenges with the new
approach of
> Internet services
>
> - To improve links and cooperation between universities, training
centers and
> companies
>
> - To look at different sectors for understanding the
interrelationship between
> innovation, training, and competitiveness
>
>
> President of International Program Committee
>
> Guenther Cyranek
> CTAI - Centro de Tecnologia em Automacao e Informatica
> Rodovio SC 401, No 3730, Saco Grande
> 88032-000 Florianopolis - Santa Catarina
> Brazil
>
> Tel /Fax +55-48-238 51 77
> e-mail      cyranek@ctai.rct-sc.br
>
>
> International Program Committee
>
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------
> Alaciel Almeida, Brazilian Internet Society, Brasilia, Brazil
> Sergio Arruda, CTAI/SENAI, Florianopolis, Brazil
> Chrisanthi Avgerou, London School of Economics, London, United
Kingdom
> Subhash Bathnagar, Indian Management Institute, Bombay, India
> Ricardo Baeza-Yales, University of Chile, Santiago, Chile
> Gui Bonsiepe, Polytechnic Cologne, Germany
> Guenther Cyranek, CTAI/SENAI, Florianopolis (Chairman), Brazil
> Marilene Garcia, University of Sao Paulo, Brazil
> Pertti Jaervinen, University of Tampere, Finland
> Lea Fagundes, Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul, Porto
Alegre, Brazil
> Renata LaRovere, Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
> Jaime Nascimento, CTAI/SENAI, Florianopolis, Brazil
> Paulo Krahe, CIET - International SENAI Center for Education,
Labour and
>    Technology Transfer, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
> Antonio Castro Lechtaler, University of Buenos Aires, Argentina
> Claudio Menezes, UNESCO, Brasilia, Brazil
> Joerg Meyer-Stamer, German Development Institute, Berlin, Germany
> Francois Nicolet, SI Informatique, Zurich, Switzerland
> Afonso Orth, PUC Rio Grande do Sul, Porto Alegre, Brazil
> Ary Plonski, University of Sao Paulo, Brazil
> Victor Prochnik, Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
> Ricardo Reis, Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul, Porto
Alegre, Brazil
> Fanny-Michaela Reisin, Technical College, Berlin, Germany
> Silene Seibel, Instituto Euvaldo Lodi, Florianopolis, Brazil
> Judith Sutz, University of the Republic, Montevideo, Uruguay
> Eduardo Testart Tobar, Group Eight, Vina del Mar, Chile
> Takeshi Utsumi, Global University, New York, USA
> Raul Wazlawick, Federal University of Santa Catarina,
Florianopolis, Brazil
>
>
> Organizing Committee at SENAI/CTAI
>
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------
> Elisabeth Schirmer
> Guenther Cyranek
> Marco Aurelio Medeiros
> Margarete Pereira
> Natalino Uggioni
> Osnilda Leite
> Selma Kowalsky Fernandes
> Sergio Roberto Arruda
> Wolney Andrade (Coordinator)
>
>
> Documentation
>
> IFIP Publisher Chapman & Hall, London, UK
>
>
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----
>    Monday, February 3: Workshops
>
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----
>
> 08:30   Opening for Tutorials/Workshops:
>         Jaime Nascimento, Sergio Arruda, Director CTAI
>
> 09:00 - 12:00, Lunch, 14:00 - 17:00
>
> A.    Computer Supported Cooperative Work - Case Studies
> [CSCW]   Concepts for CSCW, Experiences in SME, Demonstration with
NOTES
>       Joerg Allmann, Notes Development, Hannover, Germany
>       Karl-Heinz Roediger, University of Bremen, Germany
>
> B. Low Cost Teleconferencing for Affordable and Accessible
> [Tele]  Electronic Distance Education
>       Utsumi Takeshi, Global University in the U.S.A.,
>                         Flushing, NY, USA
>       Roger Lee Boston, Distance Education / College without Walls,

>                         Houston, TX, USA
>       W. R. Klemm, Texas A&M University, TX, USA
>       Jim Miller, SYNECTICS, Seattle, USA
>
> C. Services for Vocational Training via Internet - Virtual Concepts
> [Train]  Carlos Seabra, Centro de Estudos de Informatica e Educacao
-
>                         CIESP, University of Sao Paulo, Brazil
>
> 14:00 - 17:00 (free of charge)
>
> D.    Internet Services for Small and Medium-sized Enterprises
(SME).
> [SME]   Introduction and Demonstration
>       Sergio Charlab, Internet World, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
>       SME Electronic Commerce on the Internet:
>       Tools, Telecommunication Infrastructure, Costs
>
>
>
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> Tuesday, February 4: plenary sessions, working groups
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>
> 08:30 Opening: Jaime Nascimento, Sergio Arruda, Director CTAI;
>     Ot=E1vio Ferrari, Director SENAI Santa Catarina
>
> 09:00 Challenges and Opportunities in the Information Society for
Training
>    Alexandre Figueira Rodrigues, National Director of SENAI,
>                 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
>
> 10:00 Break
>
> 10:30 Networks for Cooperation within Latin America
>    IT and Technology Transfer between Universities, Training
>                 Institutions and SMEs
>    Alberto Albertin, Fundacao Getulio Vargas Business School
>    Ary Plonski, Cooperacao Universidade Empresa,
>                 University of Sao Paulo, Brazil
>
> 11:30    Informatisation of Social Security System in Uruguay - A
Case Study
>    Judith Sutz, Universidad de Republica, Montevideo, Uruguay
>
> 12:15    Lunch
>
> 12:15    First IFIP 9.4 Regional Meeting  for Latin America and the
Caribbean:
>    Chrisanthi Avgerou, Chair of IFIP WG 9.4, London School of
Economics, UK
>    Renata LaRovere, Institute of Economics, Federal University of
>                 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
>
> 14:00-16:30  Parallel Working Groups on IT implications
>
>    1 A- Textile and Clothing Industry
>    2 A- Telecommunication Needs for Information Society
>    3 A- Mechanical-Electrical Industry
>    4 A- Software-Export: Strategies and Results
>    5 A- Cooperation Brazil - Africa
>
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> 1 A:    Textile and Clothing Industry
> [Tex]    Chair: Elisa Justino, Polo Avan=E7ado T=EAxtil e
Confec=E7=E3o,=
>  Blumenau, Brazil
>
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>
> 14:00 Brazil and Apparel Production - Competitiveness through High
Tech ?
>    Hans Prayon, Vice-Presidente de Sindicato das Industrias des
Fiacao,
>    Textilage e Vestuario de Blumenau, Brazil
>
> 14:30 The Role of Information Technology for the Competitiveness of
Textile
>    and Clothing Industry in Chile
>    Eduardo Testart Tobar, Group Eight, Vina del Mar, Chile
>    Jorge Sepulveda Haugen, Mercados Ambientales, Chile
>    Alejandra Zapata Beghelli, Santa Maria University, Chile
>
> 15:00 Technological Changes:
>    Implications for Training in the Textile and Clothing Sector
>    Lucio Taboada Tenan,
>    Centro de Tecnologia da Industria Quimica e Textil
>    CETIQT; Robert Hirschler, UNIDO, CETIQT, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
>
> 15:30 Work Organisation and IT Skills in Dressmaking
>    Karl-Heinz Roediger, University of Bremen, Germany
>
> 16:00 Internet for Training in Clothing Industry:
>    A Case Study on Fashion Information
>    Eduardo d'Avila, Guenther Cyranek, Leticia Burigo Tomelin,
>    CTAI, Florianopolis, Brazil
>
>
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> 2 A:       Telecommunication Needs for Information Society
> [Telecom] Chair: CTAI, Florianopolis
>
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>
> 14:00 Telecommunications in LDCs:
>    Issues that Must be Resolved in the Next 5 Years
>    Joseph Ben-Dak, United Nation Development Program - UNDP,
>    Global Technology Group, New York, USA
>
> 14:45 Benefits and Costs of Using Satellites for Ecological
Management
>    Werner Brede, Free University Berlin, Germany
>
> 15:30 Telecommunications Infrastructure for an
>    Interactive Multimedia Services Network
>    Geraldo Ernesto Mondardo, Marcos de Souza Silva, TELESC,
>    Florianopolis,Brazil
>
>
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> 3 A:    Mechanical-Electrical Industry
> [El-Mec]Chair: CIET, Rio de Janeiro
>
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>
> 14:00 Impacts of EDI on jobs and qualifications in the automobile
industry
>    Paulo Bastos Tigre, Institute of Industrial Economics,
>    CIET Research Project, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
>
> 14:45 The Application of the Anthropocentric Production Systems
>    Concepts in Service Sectors
>    Tarcisio P. Trindade, University of Maringa, Brazil
>    Lidia M. Segre, Federal University Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
>    Itana M. S. Gimenes, University of Maringa, Brazil
>
> 15:15 An Alternative Approach in Technology Education:
>    The Concurrent Engineering Laboratory
>    Milton Borsato, Federal Center for Education in Technology,
>    Curitiba, Brazil
>
> 15:45 Training:  Proportional Hydraulics in Industrial Hydraulic
Circuits
>    Natalino Uggioni, CTAI, Florianopolis, Brazil
>
>
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> 4 A:    Software-Export: Strategies and Results
> [SW-Exp]Chair: IEL, Florian=F3polis
>
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>
> 14:00 Software Export from India: Bridging the Person Power Gap
>    Subhash Bathnagar, Indian Institute of Management, Bombay, India
>
> 14:45 The Brazilian SOFTEX 2000 Program
>    Sergio Andrade, SOFTEX 2000, Campinas, Brazil
>
> 15:15 The Role of Information Technology on the Establishment of
Competitive
>    Software Enterprises in a Global Market
>    Fabio Silva, Federal University of Pernambuco, Recife, Brazil
>
> 15:45 Software-Export: Strategies and Results in Latin America
>    Carlos Correa, University of Buenos Aires, Argentina
>
>
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> 5 A:    Cooperation Brazil =96 Africa
> [BR-AF]  Chair: Guenther Cyranek, CTAI, Florianopolis
>
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>
> 14:00 Cooperation in the Field of Information and
>    Telecommuication Technologies:
>    Opportunity for Partnership between Developing and Developed
Countries
>    Claudio Menezes, UNESCO, Brasilia, Brazil
>
> 14:45 Cooperation Programs with Portuguese Speaking African
Countries
>    Renate Stille, Brazilian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Brasilia,
Brazil
>
> 15:15 Technical Cooperation within SENAI System with
>    Portuguese Speaking  African Countries
>    Ricardo Machado de Azevedo e Souza, Donald Nelson Uhlig,
>    SENAI, National Department, National and International
>    Cooperation Advicery - ANIC, Brasilia, Brazil
>
> 15:45 Project to Implement the Internet in Angola
>    Aristides Cardoso F. Safeca, Ministry of Transport and
>    Communication, Luanda, Angola
>    Pedro Mendes de Carvalho, Amilcar Frederico Safeca, Project
Internet
>    in Angola, Technical University Dresden, Germany
>
> 16:30 Break
>
>
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> 17:00-19:00    Panel
>           Global Information Infrastructure -
>           Winners and Loosers of the Information Society.
>                Case Studies and Strategies
>           Moderator: Sergio Charlab, Internet World, Rio de
Janeiro, Brazil
>
> Argentina   Access to and Use of Information in Internet.
>                 The Case of Argentina
>       Carlos Correa, Universidad de Buenos Aires, Argentina
>
> Brazil      Observations on the Brazilian Telephony Services
Expansion Plan
>       Victor Prochnik, Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
>
> Cuba     A Broad Diffusion of Knowledge about Internet will Permit
>       the Major Use of its Possibilities in Cuba
>       Mirta Valdes Morris, National Center for Automated
Information=2 0
>          Exchange =96 CENIAI, Havanna, Cuba
>
> Guatemala   The Dawn of the Internet Era in Guatemala
>       Grete Pasch, University of Texas, Austin, USA
>       Carmen Valdes, Guatemala
>
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>
>
> Wednesday, February 5: plenary sessions, working groups
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> 09:00 The Learning of Cooperation and Autonomy:
>    A New Paradigm of Human Ressources
>    Edla Maria Faust Ramos, UFSC-Edugraf, Florianopolis, Brazil
>    Lea Fagundes, Laboratorio de Estudos Cognitivos
>    do Instituto de Psicologia da UFRGS, Porto Alegre, Brazil
>
> 10:00 Training Issues in an Information Society: The Case of Europe
>    Chrisanthi Avgerou, Tony Cornford, Katerina Nicolopoulou,
>    London School of Economics, United Kingdom
>
> 11:00 Break
>
> 11:30 A SENAI Approach for Educational Technology
>    Selma Kowalsky Fernandes, Guenther Cyranek, CTAI, Florianopolis,
Brazil
>
> 12:15    Lunch
>
> 14:00-17:00 Parallel Working Groups on IT implications
>
>        1 B: Information Technology for Business
>        2 B: Telecommunication Needs & Internet Applications
>        3 B: Mechanical-Electrical Industry
>             4 B: Networked Teaching and Learning
>        5 B: Cooperation Brazil =96 Africa
>
>
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> 1 B:       Information Technology for Business
> [Business] Chair: Victor Prochnik, UFRJ, Rio de Janeiro
>
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>
> 14:00 Challenges of Information Technology Diffusion Policies for
>    Small and Medium-Sized Enterprises
>    Renata LaRovere, Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
>
> 14:30 Developing a Platform for Implementing Cooperative Enterprise
Concepts
>    Francisco E. D. Pereira, Marcius F. H. de Carvalho,
>    Mauro F. Koyama, Olga F. N. de Araujo,
>    Foundation Technical Center for Informatics, Campinas, Brazil
>
> 15:00 An analytic Framework for Evaluating Marketing Information
Systems
>    Elmano Pontes Cavalcanti, State University of Paraiba, Brazil
>    Luiz Clementino Vivacqua de Oliveira, University of Arizona,
Tucson, USA
>
> 15:30 How far Can a Web Site Go?
>    Jairson Vitorino do Santos, Alessandro Barbosa Lima,
>    Federal University of Pernambuco, Recife, Brazil
>
> 16:00 A System for Prospection and Analysis of Market and
Technology
>    Information System
>    Jose Eduardo Fiates, Horacio Pinho Amarilho,
>    CELTA, Florianopolis, Brazil
>
> 16:30 Factors Influencing IT Applications in Small and Medium Scale
>    Industries in Developing Countries
>    Lalith Munasinghe, D. P. W. Jayawardena,
>    University of Kelaniya, Sri Lanka
>
>
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> 2 B:       Telecommunication Needs and Internet Applications
> [Internet] Chair: CTAI, Florian=F3polis
>
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>
> 14:00 Leading Steps by Use of ICTs: The Role of IDRC as Knowledge
Broker
>    Alicia Richero, International Development Research Centre
(IDRC),
>    Montevideo, Uruguay
>
> 14:45 Public Internet Kiosks in Third World - The hiperNet Project
>    Luiz Fernando Bier Melgarejo, UFSC-EDUGRAF, Florianopolis,
Brazil
>    Marcio Marchini, OTI, Ottawa, Canada
>
> 15:30 Internet's Video Conferencing Tools: A Distance Educational
Approach
>    Cesar Olavo de Moura Filho,
>    Federal University of Ceara, Fortaleza, Brazil
>    Mauro Oliveira, Federal Technical School, Fortaleza, Brazil
>
> 16:15 Virtual University. The Experience at UFSC with Training,
>    Retraining, Qualifying, and Formation of Hand Labor
>    for the Globalized Economy
>    Ricardo Miranda Barcia, Federal University of Santa Catarina
>                 (UFSC-PPGEP), Florianopolis, Brazil
>
>
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> 3 B:     Mechanical-Electrical Industry
> [El-Mec] Chair: CTAI, Florianopolis
>
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>
> 14:00 Revitilizing Training and Learning in Industries in Brazil
>    Jose Armando Valente, Jaures Mazzone, Maria Cecilia Calani
Baranauskas,
>    NIED-UNICAMP, Campinas, Brazil
>
> 14:30 Knowledge-Based System for Advanced Manufacturing
>    System Design Verification
>    Denis Borenstein, Federal University of Pelotas, Brazil
>
> 15:00 Jonas - The Jonah agent in a computer-based learning system
>    M. Cec=EDlia C. Baranauskas, Marcos Augusto Francisco Borges,
>    State University of Campinas, Brazil
>
> 15:30 Educational Framework for the Development of Mechanical
Manipulators
>    Adriana Souza, Alexandre Moretto Ribeiro, Andre Adami, Carine
Webber,
>    Cristian Koliver, Getulio Lupion, Greice Viecelli, Heitor
Strogulski,
>    Helena Grazziotin Ribeiro, Jose Eduardo Bussmann, Lia Claudia
Matte,
>    Ricardo Vargas Dorneles, Robson Rodrugues Lemos, Ruben Gerardo
Sellanes,
>    Sandra Rovena Frigeri, University of Caxias do Sul, Brazil
>
> 16:00 Development of Didactic CNC Machine Simulator
>    Alessander Pires Oliveira, Fernando Schirmbeck, Janer
Gon=E7alves Esteves,
>    Juarez Poletto Jr., Marcelo Cohen, Nilo Cesar Oliveira
Guimaraes,
>    Mechatronics Technological Center, Caxias do Sul, Brazil
>
> 16:30 Professional Training:
>    Theory and Practice in Microcontrollers Used in Industry
>    Joao Roberto Lorenzett, SENAI, CTAI, Florianopolis, Brazil
>
>
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> 4 B:        Networked Teaching and Learning
> [Net Learn] Chair: Marilene Garcia, Escola da Futura, University of
Sao=
>  Paulo
>
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>
> 14:00 The Role of Computer Networks in Development
>    and the Challenge for Teacher Training Systems in Developing
Countries
>    Horst Lazarek, Techical University Dresden, Germany
>    Afonso I. Orth, PUCRGS, UNISINOS, Porto Alegre, Brazil
>
> 14:30 Interaction Models for the Operatory Analysis of Cooperative
>    Computacional Environments
>    Patricia Alejandra Behar, Antonio Carlos da Rocha Costa,
>    Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul,Porto Alegre, Brazil
>
> 15:00 A Networked Environment for Inquiry-Based Learning
>    Credine Silva de Menezes, Orivaldo de Lira Tavares,
>    Federal University of Espirito Santo, Brazil
>
> 15:30 Content Analysis in a Remote Learning System Based on a
Computer Network
>    Cirano Iochpe, Adriana Silveira de Souza, Andrea Schneider
Maranhao,
>    Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul, Porto Alegre, Brazil
>
> 16:00 A Strategy for the Elaboration of Distance Education Courses:
>    Towards Virtual Academies on the WWW
>    Marcello Peixoto Bax, Jo=E3o Paulo Kitajima,
>    Federal University of Minas Gerais, Belo Horizonte, Brazil
>
> 16:30 Enhancing Distance Learning through Student Control
>    Julika Siemer, London School of Economics, United Kingdom
>
>
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> 5 B:    Cooperation Brazil - Africa
> [BR-AF]  Chair: Guenther Cyranek, CTAI, Florianopolis
>
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>
> 14:00 Formal Education, Vocational Training and the Internet in
Mozambique
>    Venancio Massinge, Eduardo Mondlane University, Maputo,
Mozambique
>
> 14:30 Experience of the United Kingdom Open University
>    with Open Learning in Developing Countries
>    Simon Bell, Andy Lane, Open University, Milton Keynes, United
Kingdom
>
> 15:00 Systems of Exchange of Long Distance Formation:
>    Speech, Cognition, Evaluation
>    Patrick Chardenet, Consulat General de France, Sao Paulo, Brazil
>
> 15:30 A  Case Study for Cooperation with Africa
>    Vocational Training via Internet in French speaking African
Countries
>    Bernard Dumont, University of Paris - Denis Diderot, France
>
> 16:00 Panel with speakers of both sessions:
>    Neccessary Steps for Cooperation
>
> 17:00 Break
>
> 17:30-18:30 Institutions for Professional Training
>                 in Latin America and the Caribbean:
>                 Preparing for Technological Development
>                 Pedro Weinberg, Centro  Interamericano de
investigacion y
>                 documentacion sobre formacion profesional -
CINTERFOR,
>                 Montevideo, Uruguay
>
>                 Plenary Discussion
>
> THE END
>
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>
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>
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> CTAI
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>                    ****************************************
>                                  ATTACHMENT II
>
>
>                     GLH/Brazil on February and August, 1997
>                           (Diagram is omitted here.)
>
>    Many less developed countries are without good telephone
network, let alone
> advanced telecommunication infrastructure such as Internet access.
After a
> highly successful demonstration of ShareVision's interactive
connections from
> CTAI/SENAI in Florianopolis, Brazil with UNESCO/Paris, Houston
Community
> College and the World Bank in Washington, D.C. via an analog
INMARSAT-A
> satellite on July 26, 1996, a series of GLH will be held at the
international
> conferences organized by the IFIP/Working Group 9.4 and 9.5 at
CTAI/SENAI from
> February 3 to 5, and from August 11 to 13, 1997, respectively.
>
>    This GLH will demonstrate inexpensive high-speed wireless
telecommunication
> network to access worldwide Internet (even from individual home)
for global
> electronic distance education and telemedicine consultation and
diagnosis with
> high-resolution images and graphics, and also 3D web teaching
materials, thus
> bringing economic advantage to them.  Major objectives are;
>
>    *  To demonstrate high-speed wireless telecom technology
[Diagram 2.1]:
>       CTAI/SENAI will be connected by spread spectrum wireless
units at 2 Mbps
>       with an Internet node at the Federal University of Santa
Catarina (UFSC)
>       which already have 2 Mbps connection with other major
Brazilian
>       universities through Brazilian inter-university Internet
network and
>       with the U.S.  The local hub at CTAI/SENAI will then be
connected with
>       personal computers at local residents' homes by another kind
of less
>       expensive spread spectrum wireless unit at 2 Mbps.  The
existing local
>       packet-radio network will also be connected with this UFSC
and
>       CTAI/SENAI connection.  The objective is to demonstrate the
possibility
>       of extending Internet inexpensively from an academic hub to
nearby high
>       schools, libraries, public organizations, hospitals,
governmental
>       facilities, and then even to local residents (e.g., teachers
and
>       students) home, etc.  If successful, this scheme will
accelerate the
>       spread of distance education and telemedicine in remote/rural
>       regions/areas, and save considerable investments for hard
wiring them by
>       telecom industries, especially in developing countries, and
also solving
>       the last-mile problem.
>
>    *  To demonstrate the high-speed wireless telecom network with
>       videoconferencing with colleagues around the world and
accessing World
>       Wide Web (multimedia with audio, video, 3D animation) of
GLOSAS
>       KNOWLEDGEBASE via Internet.  The objective is to demonstrate
the
>       possibility of gathering experts from anywhere around the
world (even
>       where there is no adequate POTS) -- yet, without spending
much costs.
>       If successful, this will lead to the possibility of
telemedicine
>       consultation (among many others) from remote areas of Brazil
(or
>       anywhere else) to worldwide experts.
>
>    *  To initiate a technology transfer of HiperNet of UFSC to the
University
>       of Coimbra in Portugal.  The UFSC is now operating HiperNet,
as a desire
>       to design and implement groupware software that would help
people to
>       search for information, and produce knowledge and, above all,
interact
>       in a constructive way.  This is a hypermedia storage, capable
of
>       containing sounds, bitmaps, texts, digitized video, or other
forms of
>       media that can be stored and transferrable using the existing
network
>       support.  This HiperNet extends Internet at low speed (2.4 to
19.2 Kbps)
>       to several high schools, a few dozen homes of packet-radio
licensees,
>       and public locations where local user can come and retrieve
web and
>       access e-mail with friendly forum software for citizens
discussions free
>       of charge.  This technology is to be transferred to Coimbra
University
>       in Portugal, which is now forging ahead to create a
GLOSAS/PORTUGAL with
>       Portugal Telecom, Center Region Coordination Commission,
Health
>       Ministry/Department of Computing/Telemedicine Project,
Development
>       Telematics Association for Coimbra.
>
>    *  To demonstrate the connection of digital video compression
units (e.g.,
>       PictureTel, etc.) with the high speed wireless telecom
network.  The
>       demonstration at the IFIP international conference in August,
1997 will
>       connect televideo units (desktop computer type with TCP/IP
protocol) at
>       SENAI and the UFSC via the high-speed wireless telecom
network which
>       will be established on the occasion of the IFIP February
conference at
>       SENAI.  This connection will exchange high resolution images
of
>       pathology and/or radiology for telemedicine diagnosis.  The
digital
>       video compression unit at the UFSC will also connect with a
computer
>       which has a BeingThere (and/or QuickTime) televideo
capability via the
>       UFSC's Brazilian inter-university Internet.  This will enable
>       participation of medical experts scattered around the world.
We also
>       plan to broadcast this GLH through Brazilian domestic and
INTELSAT
>       international satellites, as obtaining support, endorsement
from
>       UNESCO/Paris headquarters (IFIP is a NGO under UNESCO), the
United
>       Nations, INTELSAT/Project ACCESS, and EMBRATEL of Brazil.
The objective
>       is [1] to demonstrate such connection for global telemedicine
>       consultation, diagnosis and education in remote/rural areas,
and [2] to
>       demonstrate the possibility of gathering worldwide experts
with
>       televideo system via Internet for joint consultation and
discussion.
>
>    *  To initiate the establishment of a model city of global
electronic
>       distance education in Latin America, as the initial pilot
project of
>       Global (electronic) University System.  This may be emulated
in many
>       other Latin American countries and also in the Distance
Education/9
>       countries (DE9) of Learning Without Frontiers program of
UNESCO/Paris.
>
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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:28:07 -0800
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Subject:      Fw: syn-l: Re: thanks

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> From: Kirby Urner <pdx4d@teleport.com>
> To: Melissa Du <myduarch@mozcom.com>
> Cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com
> Subject: syn-l: Re: thanks
> Date: Thursday, November 07, 1996 7:41 AM
>
> Melissa --
>
> I personally don't have a lot of current information about actual
> large scale floating platform construction projects now underway.
> This is leading edge technology on a grand scale and most of the
resources
> are still tied up in weapons-basing schemes.  Civilian investments
on this
> scale are a thing of the future, I'm sure, but we're only slowly
rewiring
> our curriculum to accommodate that future trend.  There's no reason
that
> current logistical know how, embedded in Navy training for example,

> couldn't be used towards making humans safe and secure in the face
of
> onrushing challenges to their well being.  Having the floating
platform
> technology mastered would be helpful down the road if we start
having
> big time trouble with global warming and the polar caps, although I

> don't personally have information that this is a definite
likelihood
> (but I'm not up to date on all the topics I'd like to be).
>
> I have a web page (http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/curriculum.html)
> where I talk about my 4D Solutions software package known as
Atlantis,
> still on the drawing boards of my network affiliates.  Atlantis is
> primarily a teaching tool, built around a hypothetical floating
city.
> You get a lot of environmental challenges and opportunities with
this
> concept, both above and below the water line (you might have at
least
> as much going on below the surface as above in some designs).
>
> Not that such a tool couldn't be used to design a real floating
environment
> (plus a lot of models, many of which would have uses in special
effects
> mock ups for helping us fantasize together -- i.e. simulate -- via
movies
> and TV, about how life in this floating environment might go (lots
of
> pitfalls, dangers to avoid -- lots of good and useful science
fiction here)).
> But you can learn a lot from working with different designs, and
yet not be
> able to marshall the resources and investments needed for more than
one or
> two right away.  I wouldn't be surprised if the initiative were
coming from
> Japan.  The land problem and commitment to technology-based
solutions is
> very high in Japan.
>
> But these are more general remarks without any links to actual
> construction projects underway.  If you're using the web, then the
> best I can suggest is entering key words in one of the many search
> engines, e.g. Alta Vista at http://www.altavista.digital.com/.
> I've also copied your letter and this response to my Synergetics-L,
> a list shared by a lot of high level thinkers brainstorming about
> the future in a big way.  Maybe this will result in some more
> relevant communications.
>
> Yours,
> Kirby
> 4D Solutions
>
> PS:  Although I think it inevitable that 'floating city'
terminology
> will be employed, I try to keep the picture open with terms like
> 'floating environment' because 'city' predisposes us to imagine
> urbanscapes of today, which may partially blind us to some of the
> designs that might, for example, have far more photosynthesis going
> on than most cities.  These might be biosystems with a lot of
wildness
> in some cases, with humans providing optimal conditions for a lot
of
> natural growth of above and below water life forms, but there might
> not be a whole lot of control over the results in some cases,
resulting
> in 'floating jungles' or 'floating reefs' that have some uses as
> scientific study spots (marine biology), harvesting spots, vacation
> spots etc.  My point is that human planning can leave a lot of room
> for 'unplanned' natural activity.  The 'floating city' metaphor may
> have us thinking more in terms of control, hierarchy, bureaucracy,
> and lots of uniform behavior and so on.  I'm not saying there isn't

> a time and place for such more organized experiments, but we should

> keep our options wide open and at a general level during this
initial
> storyboard phase and not think we already know exactly what the
future
> has to look like, which we obviously do not.
>
> At 11:52 PM 11/7/96 +0800, you wrote:
> >Thank you very much Kirby!  I'm so glad that finally someone took
the time
> >to respond to me.  Have you heard about floating structures? such
as Sea
> >Structures Inc.  they make patented flotation units to make
floating
> >islands...cities...
> >Could you help me acquire more information regarding the said
technology and
> >the materials to be used which will be condusive for the
environment at sea?
> >Please respond soon. The triton project of Fuller would have been
really of
> >great help.  Do you know if the project is being considered in
Japan? I read
> >that the Japanese patron died and the project became very
ineteresting for
> >Baltimore. Do you know what happened next?  Are there existing
floating
> >cities or structures of some sort?  What is the method of
construction?
> >Also...Bucky's "cloud nines"  is there one built like it
presently?  I have
> >so many questions...sorry if I'm too inquisitive and pushy....I
really need
> >your help.  Thanks again.....God bless...always...
> >
> >Melissa Du
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Kirby Urner  "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU
> Email: pdx4d@teleport.com
> Web:   http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/
>
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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:36:02 -0500
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From:         Aaron Fiske <ride0098@RIDE.RI.NET>
Subject:      HS Research (Retry!)

I was informed that my message didn't get sent properly, so here it is
again.  I'm really sorry for any inconvenience, and I thank those who
kindly pointed it out.

I'm a Senior at a High School in Massachusetts.  I have to do a project in
physics for a science fair as well as for the class.  I've been interested
in the works of Bucky Fuller for some time, since I found Grunch of Giants
in the library.

Anyhow, the point is:  I want to do my project on something like the
tetrahedral coordinate system, geodesic domes, or tensegrity.  I'd just
like some ideas on how to go about this, if you have the time and
inclination :)  I plan on getting a few of his books also, but I've been
reading the replies to the 'What books to read?' thread, so there's no need
to be using space on that.

I don't want to make it look like I'm just mooching off people, I _do_ plan
to do the work myself.  Any random ideas, or help you could provide if
you're around SE Mass, though, would really help.

Thanks!

(I'd also be willing to share the results, if they turn out worthwhile in
any way :))

Aaron Fiske
ride0098@ride.ri.net           afiske@usa.net
http://www.aasp.net/~cmodules/test/aaron.html
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From:         jterouky@AOL.COM
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Subject:      Re:
              http://www.ozemail.com.au/~caveman/Creative/Software/Geodesic.htm

how does one join?
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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:35:44 GMT
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From:         Kirby Urner <pdx4d@TELEPORT.COM>
Organization: 4D Solutions
Subject:      Re: http://online.anu.edu.au/ITA/ACAT/drw/jitterbug.mov

"Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM> wrote:

>Jitterbug anim (95K Quicktime movie)
>====================================================
>123456789|123456789|123456789|123456789|123456789|123456789|
>
>Joe S. Moore

Re: http://online.anu.edu.au/ITA/ACAT/drw/jitterbug.mov

This is the Richard Hawkins QT movie.  Has been available
through my site and his for over a year.  Wish
David.Worrall@anu.edu.au at least gave the artist's name,
and maybe a link.

Kirby

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Date:         Fri, 8 Nov 1996 02:56:35 GMT
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From:         Michael Salmons <justwink@AOL.COM>
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) (1.10)
Subject:      Re: Fw: syn-l: Tensegrity structures and membranes

I have also been thinking lately about tensile versions
of tensegrity systems, and was surprised to find that
some work has been done in the area.  Bucky dabbled a
little with the idea, though his material has not been
widely distributed.  Also, in Tony Pugh's AN INTRODUCTION
TO TENSEGRITY, he describes the construction of a dome
built with a vinyl skin and interior compression members,
though not of the traditional configuration.  A photograph
is included (pages 65 & 66).
I also considered the concept in the context of lighter-
than-air vehicles (actually a misnomer: such vehicles are
almost exclusively heavier than air when trimmed for
flight).  Seems very promising, and not really investigated,
so far as I know.  Ron Resch, pioneer of folded-plate
structures, did publish a paper concerning his concepts
as applied to airships.
I have heard of a Japanese gentleman who displayed a
tent of this nature recently at a conference, but do not
have a name.  Surely, this would be a great way to make
camping tents.  Just crawl inside, start pushing foldable
struts outward until they lock, and you're done (except
for anchors, not always necessary).

C.E.Peck
Author, A TAXONOMY OF FUNDAMENTAL POLYHEDRA AND
TESSELLATIONS
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From:         "Cossman, Michael" <COSSMAN@VAX1Z.SCZ.SSI1.COM>
Subject:      Re: Fw: syn-l: Tensegrity structures and membranes

 hey listmates,

             how do i subscribe to syn-l ?
             what is the adderess?

                        thanks    m,cossman
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Date:         Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:39:08 +0100
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Subject:      Re: HS Research (Retry!)
Comments: To: Aaron Fiske <ride0098@RIDE.RI.NET>
In-Reply-To:  <v02140b00aea7ea05523c@[128.148.19.61]>

Op Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Aaron Fiske schreef:

> I was informed that my message didn't get sent properly, so here it is
> again.  I'm really sorry for any inconvenience, and I thank those who
> kindly pointed it out.
>
> I'm a Senior at a High School in Massachusetts.  I have to do a project in
> physics for a science fair as well as for the class.  I've been interested
> in the works of Bucky Fuller for some time, since I found Grunch of Giants
> in the library.
>
> Anyhow, the point is:  I want to do my project on something like the
> tetrahedral coordinate system, geodesic domes, or tensegrity.  I'd just
> like some ideas on how to go about this, if you have the time and
> inclination :)  I plan on getting a few of his books also, but I've been
> reading the replies to the 'What books to read?' thread, so there's no need
> to be using space on that.
>
> I don't want to make it look like I'm just mooching off people, I _do_ plan
> to do the work myself.  Any random ideas, or help you could provide if
> you're around SE Mass, though, would really help.
>
> Thanks!
>
> (I'd also be willing to share the results, if they turn out worthwhile in
> any way :))
>
> Aaron Fiske
> ride0098@ride.ri.net           afiske@usa.net
> http://www.aasp.net/~cmodules/test/aaron.html
>
    brain stormin" :about your progect.
    Read Fuller explanation By Amy Edmson
         good book about string theory
         read about some laws in chemistry- like avogadro law
         poyle laws, structure of elements in
         chemistry  throw th eye of a chemist
         know that the Greeks knew about the law
         of multiplication by division and
         the say that number 2 is 4 tringles
         means each edge ot tringle is divded into
         2.
         i heard that Alphapet of the heart is
         a book which deals with physics and Fuller.

         and check my email soon, about education
         and nonsense to see if you can apply
         the general idea to find what you looking for.


      i hope this is not so bad
      tagdi
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Subject:      SYNERGETICS GEOMETRY SOFTWARE
Comments: To: jterouky@aol.com

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See Kirby Urner's Software Gallery web page at

http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/sw_gall.html

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> From: jterouky@aol.com
> To: Joe S. Moore <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
> Subject: Re: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~caveman/Creati
> Date: Thursday, November 07, 1996 1:10 PM
>
> send info about software please.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:56:24 -0700
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From:         Kirby Urner <pdx4d@TELEPORT.COM>
Subject:      TrimTab articles on the web
Comments: To: AFSNYDER@aol.com
Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com, bpaton@inforamp.net

                         MEMORANDUM

TO: Allegra Fuller Snyder
FR: Kirby Urner, outgoing BFI webmaster
RE: TrimTab & webmaster position

Hi Allegra!

Just got my TrimTab in the mail today.  Ya'll have done a very
fine job!  Excellent work with the web pages section (interesting
to note how the browser down in SB doesn't confine the tables to
the WIDTH=526 parameter (on my screen, the text is never much
wider than those graphical 'tabs' across the top of most bfi.org
pages, but browsers vary in how they interpret the underlying
HTML (which can be ugly))).

Bill Paton <bpaton@inforamp.net> has more valuable material on
the Stockades patent, which'd help fill out our list (I understand
from a Bonnie email, many months old by now, that *all* the patent
info is ready, as per Bucky's wishes (to share expired patents),
with pictures, in a specific desk drawer at BFI, which, if so,
would save a lot of work plus keep people from trying to scan a
copyrighted book).

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to decode Bill's large picture, which
tied up my computer for 30 minutes.  I requested that he save this
material for the next webmaster, whomever that might be (might be
someone far distant from either SB or PDX, given the internet
cares naught about geography vis-a-vis the BFI webmaster position).

I've made it clear for my archives that I'm hoping BFI will
capitalize on this webmaster turnover opportunity to continue
building BFI's image as a free-standing public service NGO
that is not using EBF (the family estate) as a crutch or vice
versa, so that we can maybe close the chapter on all these
questions about tax write offs, copyright ownership, private
versus public domain collections and so on.

But this whole controversy is of fading relevance to me.  BFI
will survive or it won't.  Either way, the Fuller School is
bound to live long and prosper.

I asked Bill to hold on to his patents materials for the next
webmaster to work on.  I'm available to do minor tweeks at the
site, but as I we both know, there's no reason why that kind
of stuff can't be managed from SB, with a little training
(readily available). Although I've officially set my resignation
date for Dec 21, I think we should consider me 'gone' for most
intents and purposes.

Of course I'll be available as a background resource person for
whomever wants to occupy this position next.  They may want to
call on me -- or not.  As I said to Bill, the next webmaster may
want to toss out everything I've done so far and start from
scratch.  That should be her or his right.  My designs are OK,
but the web moves on and there's lots to keep up on -- certainly
I wouldn't want to saddle future webmasters with a lot of
'legacy' crap that gets mindlessly perpetuated, even though
it's become completely obsolete.  That'd be very unFullerSchoolerish
of me!

As always,

Kirby
4D Solutions
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Kirby Urner  "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU
Email: pdx4d@teleport.com
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Date:         Fri, 8 Nov 1996 21:32:38 GMT
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From:         "Michael A. Mishchenko" <PIDP@PIDPMO.MSK.RU>
Organization: PIDP Inc.
Subject:      I'm looking for "Atlas GIS" system. Who knows where it can be
              found?

<>
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Date:         Sat, 9 Nov 1996 13:45:41 -0800
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From:         "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
Subject:      Re: <no subject>
Comments: To: sunstar@aloha.com

Elan,

I'm not sure what service you are referring to.  All I do is post
stuff that I think is relevant to Buckminster Fuller's work.  It's up
to others to include whatever they want of my posts in their web
pages, if they so choose.  I don't have any web pages of my own.
Everything I post is meant to be in the Public Domain.  What did you
see in DOME magazine?  What is your home page URL?

Joe

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> From: SunStar <sunstar@aloha.com>
> To: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Subject: <no subject>
> Date: Saturday, November 09, 1996 3:25 AM
>
> Joe/ What a gret service you have. I was re ordering Dme magazine
and
> saw your service.tell me more about it. My web site is
Sunstock.com.
>
> All hte best
> Elan Star
> .-
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Date:         Sat, 9 Nov 1996 18:07:47 -0800
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Subject:      Re: DRISCOLL DOME
Comments: To: sunstar@aloha.com

You might try contacting the author through Don Hoflin
<donh@hoflin.com>, the publisher of DOME magazine at
http://www.hoflin.com

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> From: SunStar <sunstar@aloha.com>
> To: Joe S. Moore <joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com>
> Subject: Re: <no subject>
> Date: Saturday, November 09, 1996 4:40 AM
>
> Joe
>   ALoha
>   I guess that note to you was misleading.  I did like your
listings.  The
> reference to Dome magazine might not be applicable to you.  I was
trying
> to find someone from Finland that wrote an article about Judge
> Driscoll's dome in Houston Texas from the spring '94 issue of Dome
but
> you may not know anything about that.  Your service is great.
>   My address is   http://www.sunstock.com.
>
> Elan Star
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Subject:      Re: DOME MATERIALS
Comments: To: sunstar@aloha.com
Comments: cc: DOMES LIST <DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com>

I myself haven't developed any domes, but there are others who have.
They may be interested in sending you pics and info about their
projects.  I'm forwarding a copy of this post to the Geodesic and
Dome lists which have many subscribers interested in various aspects
of dome technology.

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> From: SunStar <sunstar@aloha.com>
> To: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Subject: <no subject>
> Date: Saturday, November 09, 1996 4:07 AM
>
> Aloha
>    Can you please send me as many printed materials and photos of
your
> domes  when you have time?  I am very interested in your domes and
would
> like to know more about your work.
> http://www.sunstock.com
>
> address: 1600 a mokulua drive
> kailua, hawaii 96734
> 808 262-8375  & 261-6132
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Subject:      Fw: Query Q001, 2 hits: FIND geodesic and buckminster

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> Subject: Query Q001, 2 hits: FIND geodesic and buckminster
> Date: Saturday, November 09, 1996 6:56 PM
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> 2 documents found (1397973 scanned)
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>  1. Nov-06  97 Re: Why do things fl rec.arts.sf.science
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>  2. Nov-09  91 Re: Why do things fl rec.arts.sf.science
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>
> Hit-Number: 1
> Article-ID: 11_1996&1355807
> Score: 97
> Subject: Re: Why do things float?
> From: rkihara@ccnet.com (Ron Kihara)
> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:26:54 -0800
> Message-ID: <rkihara-0611961926540001@h98-191.ccnet.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
>
> In article <55kk41$c3l@phunn1.sbphrd.com>,
> Frank_Hollis-1@sbphrd.com.see-sig (Triple Quadrophenic) wrote:
>
> > What about a sphere with walls made from 1cm thick steel? If you
had such a
> > sphere with a radius of 200m then the mass of displaced air will
be greater
> > than the mass of the steel. This works because the mass of the
steel rises
> > as the square of the radius and the mass of the displaced air
rises as the
> > cube.
>
> Actually the sphere can be an open mesh structure.  Check out "The
> Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller" by Buckminster Fuller and
Robert
> Marks, p. 236.  Fuller points out that a geodesic sphere a half
mile in
> diameter has an air-to-structural-weight ratio of 1,000:1.  A
temperature
> difference of only one degree F, generated by sunlight bouncing
around the
> interior of the open structure will be sufficient to float the
sphere.
>
> This is a pretty big structure, though I seem to remember that he
had
> proposed putting a one-mile diameter dome over manhattan for the
New York
> World's Fair.  At the time this book was published the largest
geodesic
> structure spanned about 120 meters.
>  ... end of message ... text also available at
http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/go?choice=message&table=11_1996&mi
d=1355807&hilit=BUCKMINSTER+GEODESIC
> --------------------------------
>
> Hit-Number: 2
> Article-ID: 11_1996&1368988
> Score: 91
> Subject: Re: Why do things float?
> From: linc0015@sable.ox.ac.uk (rupert smith)
> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 13:00:36 -0800
> Message-ID: <562rbi$gdb@news.ox.ac.uk>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
>
> In article <rkihara-0611961926540001@h98-191.ccnet.com>,
rkihara@ccnet.com (Ron Kihara) wrote:
> >In article <55kk41$c3l@phunn1.sbphrd.com>,
> >Frank_Hollis-1@sbphrd.com.see-sig (Triple Quadrophenic) wrote:
> >
> >> What about a sphere with walls made from 1cm thick steel? If you
had such a
> >> sphere with a radius of 200m then the mass of displaced air will
be greater
> >> than the mass of the steel. This works because the mass of the
steel rises
> >> as the square of the radius and the mass of the displaced air
rises as the
> >> cube.
> >
> >Actually the sphere can be an open mesh structure.  Check out "The
> >Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller" by Buckminster Fuller and
Robert
> >Marks, p. 236.  Fuller points out that a geodesic sphere a half
mile in
> >diameter has an air-to-structural-weight ratio of 1,000:1.  A
temperature
> >difference of only one degree F, generated by sunlight bouncing
around the
> >interior of the open structure will be sufficient to float the
sphere.
>
> the problem was that the thread required it to be vacuum inside..
>
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Subject:      Tensegrity coatrack plans

TENSEGRITY COATHANGER

I have just recently built a TENSEGRITY COATRACK which looks amazing and
works really well.  It uses all of the principles of Tensegrity but has a
useful function as well. I'm giving some helpful hints if you wish to
build one. It costs roughly $10.00 to build and should take under an hour.
Variations I'm working on are ones out of Hockey Sticks and a really neat
floor lamp.

REQUIRONS:

WOOD VERSION
-3x  7 foot pieces of 1x3s or 1x2 or 2x2
-Binder twine.
-Drill
-Tape measure
-Knife
-Saw (Optional)

METAL VERSION
-3x pieces of 7 foot EMT (ELECTRICAL METAL TUBING)
-Wire-1 strand
-18x  Tiny Washers
-3 turnbuckles
-Drill
-Tape measure
-Pipe cutter (Hacksaw if desperate)
-Wire cutters
-Sandpaper


Basically the idea of tensegrity is the components want to fall away from
each other but are held in position (suspended) by equal tension from the
other elements. These principles are extremely important in suspension
structures such as Suspension Bridges, Skyscrapers, Geodesics, and many
more. It is important because metals and other elements are usually
stronger in tension rather than compression. It was explored in detail by
R. Buckminster Fuller in his books on "Synergetics."

My original idea was from pictures of Bucky with them and also sculptures
by Snelson. I found some excellent pictures of how to make them out of
rubber bands and pencils at the following site:

http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/tenseg1.html

I made some small versions with dowel and eyehooks at the end, along with
miniature bungie cords. I then moved up to larger sized wood. I made a
smaller version then a successful one using 1x3s boards. Basically I used
7 foot long wood and drilled holes 12 inches from the ends.You basically
want the wood or struts to be almost like an M.C. Escher type sculpture
where they are basically falling away from each other. The only thing that
prevents this happening is a string connecting another one pulling it
back, then another string pulling it the opposite way, keeping the struts
and the strings balanced in tension. (I believe Dr. Doolittle called his
dog a "Push-Me Pull-Me" which describes what is happening)


The same notes apply to a metal or wood strutted Coatrack with obvious
corrections based on the mediums. Use non-slip twine or strong wire as
applicable. For knots I used a "BOWLINE" for the top and bottom struts and
a "ROUND TURN AND TWO HALF HITCHES" for the Up and Down connections for
tightening ability.

I found it was easy to work with if you connect the center parts together
with a temporary string or bungie cord to hold them in position.
Especially when you get started. I will talk about the METAL VERSION since
it is the nicest looking one.

 1. Using a pipecutter, cut 1/2" EMT (ELECTRICAL METAL TUBING) or another
rigid pipe like copper. EMT is dirt cheap--about $2.00 for 10 feet.

2. Using a really thin bit drill the pipe all the way through 12" from
each end. This is a good distance to show off the "trick".  Ensure your
holes are in line with each other from end to end. Not essential but will
look better.

3. Place your UP/DOWN WIRES out of both ends of each EMT. They will be in
the "Outside" holes of the ENT. Have about 6 feet coming out of each end
and leave it aside. I connected them by threading the wire around a tiny
washer and tying it securely. This allows you to diferentiate between the
"Inside" and "Outside" holes.

4. Connect the bottom struts together in an equilateral triangle using the
"Inside" holes. In other words connect X to Y, Y to Z, and Z to X.  This
was hidden inside the EMT. I recommend your final wire length about 14-18
inches. Ensure the lengths are exactly the same or it will be warped.

5. Spread out the equilateral triangle and crisscross the pipes so they
will splay and the tops are directly over a bottom pipe and they are
"falling away" from each other. In other words if you connected each to
the pipe directly below it then it would fall away from the centre rather
than towards it. Secure this arrangement in the centre by either tape,
wire, bungie or string. You may wish to identify the TOP/BOTTOM Pairs with
tape-0, 1, 2 wraps of tape.

6. Connect the top struts together in an equilateral triangle like step #4
using the inside holes. Ensure these lengths are equal and the same as in
#4.

7. Connect the TOP and BOTTOM Pairs in a semi-strong manner using the
turnbuckles. You may need to keep tightening the wire as you go. Keep
working until it is rigid and tight.

You should be able to pick up one of the struts and it will all come. Keep
tightening the turnbuckles if necessary. That's all there is to it. You
may find that you need to widen or lengthen the top and bottom lengths.
Remember (and I can prove this) R. Buckminster Fuller pointing out that it
takes at least 3 prototypes to finally get something to work. The first is
a basic "Proof of Concept" of the principles involved, second is ironing
out the major problems, and third is fine tuning the little details. I can
say that this is true which is why I'm passing along some of the tips I
found.



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...............\....\|/..../
...................|\....\./
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......../..../..|....|........\....\
..../..../......|....|...........\....\
/..../..........|....|...............\....\
................................................
Y2..............X2...................Z2


Prepared by: Bill Paton, Solutioneer
08 NOV 1996
bpaton@inforamp.net
http://www.inforamp.net/~bpaton

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Date:         Sun, 10 Nov 1996 07:33:56 -0600
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From:         Andy Lewis <alewis@MSN.FULLFEED.COM>
Subject:      Re: Tensegrity coatrack plans

A scanned picture would be helpful in visualizing, if you get a chance.

Thanks.

Andy


TENSEGRITY COATHANGER
>
>I have just recently built a TENSEGRITY COATRACK which looks amazing and
>works really well.  It uses all of the principles of Tensegrity but has a
>useful function as well. I'm giving some helpful hints if you wish to
>build one. It costs roughly $10.00 to build and should take under an hour.
>Variations I'm working on are ones out of Hockey Sticks and a really neat
>floor lamp.
>
>REQUIRONS:
>
>WOOD VERSION
>-3x  7 foot pieces of 1x3s or 1x2 or 2x2
>-Binder twine.
>-Drill
>-Tape measure
>-Knife
>-Saw (Optional)
>
>METAL VERSION
>-3x pieces of 7 foot EMT (ELECTRICAL METAL TUBING)
>-Wire-1 strand
>-18x  Tiny Washers
>-3 turnbuckles
>-Drill
>-Tape measure
>-Pipe cutter (Hacksaw if desperate)
>-Wire cutters
>-Sandpaper
>
>
>Basically the idea of tensegrity is the components want to fall away from
>each other but are held in position (suspended) by equal tension from the
>other elements. These principles are extremely important in suspension
>structures such as Suspension Bridges, Skyscrapers, Geodesics, and many
>more. It is important because metals and other elements are usually
>stronger in tension rather than compression. It was explored in detail by
>R. Buckminster Fuller in his books on "Synergetics."
>
>My original idea was from pictures of Bucky with them and also sculptures
>by Snelson. I found some excellent pictures of how to make them out of
>rubber bands and pencils at the following site:
>
>http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/tenseg1.html
>
>I made some small versions with dowel and eyehooks at the end, along with
>miniature bungie cords. I then moved up to larger sized wood. I made a
>smaller version then a successful one using 1x3s boards. Basically I used
>7 foot long wood and drilled holes 12 inches from the ends.You basically
>want the wood or struts to be almost like an M.C. Escher type sculpture
>where they are basically falling away from each other. The only thing that
>prevents this happening is a string connecting another one pulling it
>back, then another string pulling it the opposite way, keeping the struts
>and the strings balanced in tension. (I believe Dr. Doolittle called his
>dog a "Push-Me Pull-Me" which describes what is happening)
>
>
>The same notes apply to a metal or wood strutted Coatrack with obvious
>corrections based on the mediums. Use non-slip twine or strong wire as
>applicable. For knots I used a "BOWLINE" for the top and bottom struts and
>a "ROUND TURN AND TWO HALF HITCHES" for the Up and Down connections for
>tightening ability.
>
>I found it was easy to work with if you connect the center parts together
>with a temporary string or bungie cord to hold them in position.
>Especially when you get started. I will talk about the METAL VERSION since
>it is the nicest looking one.
>
> 1. Using a pipecutter, cut 1/2" EMT (ELECTRICAL METAL TUBING) or another
>rigid pipe like copper. EMT is dirt cheap--about $2.00 for 10 feet.
>
>2. Using a really thin bit drill the pipe all the way through 12" from
>each end. This is a good distance to show off the "trick".  Ensure your
>holes are in line with each other from end to end. Not essential but will
>look better.
>
>3. Place your UP/DOWN WIRES out of both ends of each EMT. They will be in
>the "Outside" holes of the ENT. Have about 6 feet coming out of each end
>and leave it aside. I connected them by threading the wire around a tiny
>washer and tying it securely. This allows you to diferentiate between the
>"Inside" and "Outside" holes.
>
>4. Connect the bottom struts together in an equilateral triangle using the
>"Inside" holes. In other words connect X to Y, Y to Z, and Z to X.  This
>was hidden inside the EMT. I recommend your final wire length about 14-18
>inches. Ensure the lengths are exactly the same or it will be warped.
>
>5. Spread out the equilateral triangle and crisscross the pipes so they
>will splay and the tops are directly over a bottom pipe and they are
>"falling away" from each other. In other words if you connected each to
>the pipe directly below it then it would fall away from the centre rather
>than towards it. Secure this arrangement in the centre by either tape,
>wire, bungie or string. You may wish to identify the TOP/BOTTOM Pairs with
>tape-0, 1, 2 wraps of tape.
>
>6. Connect the top struts together in an equilateral triangle like step #4
>using the inside holes. Ensure these lengths are equal and the same as in
>#4.
>
>7. Connect the TOP and BOTTOM Pairs in a semi-strong manner using the
>turnbuckles. You may need to keep tightening the wire as you go. Keep
>working until it is rigid and tight.
>
>You should be able to pick up one of the struts and it will all come. Keep
>tightening the turnbuckles if necessary. That's all there is to it. You
>may find that you need to widen or lengthen the top and bottom lengths.
>Remember (and I can prove this) R. Buckminster Fuller pointing out that it
>takes at least 3 prototypes to finally get something to work. The first is
>a basic "Proof of Concept" of the principles involved, second is ironing
>out the major problems, and third is fine tuning the little details. I can
>say that this is true which is why I'm passing along some of the tips I
>found.
>
>
>
>.......X1........Y1............Z1.
>...........................................
>.......\....\....|...|........./..../
>..........\....\|...|....../..../
>...............\....\|/..../
>...................|\....\./
>................./.../\....\
>............./..../..|...\....\
>......../..../..|....|........\....\
>..../..../......|....|...........\....\
>/..../..........|....|...............\....\
>................................................
>Y2..............X2...................Z2
>
>
>Prepared by: Bill Paton, Solutioneer
>08 NOV 1996
>bpaton@inforamp.net
>http://www.inforamp.net/~bpaton
>
>--
>Bill Paton --Solutioneer
>bpaton@inforamp.net
>THE DIRECTOR'S TEMPLATE
>http://www.inforamp.net/~bpaton
>
>
__________________________________________________
Andrew Lewis

Mission Critical, Inc.
 voice:  608-233-8000
   fax:  608-233-9700
e-mail:  alewis@msn.fullfeed.com
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Date:         Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:36:35 -0800
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From:         Patrick Salsbury <salsbury@BOOTSTRAP.SCULPTORS.COM>
Subject:      Synergy Ball page online (was Re: Tensegrity structures and
              membranes)
Comments: cc: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com, stuq@mhv.net
In-Reply-To:  <9611061002.aa28489@inside.cruzio.com> (joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM)

> 2.    The skin of a tensegrity can be made from inelastic materials. To
> enclose my 6-push sphere, I used fabric panels, but I could have used
> plywood sheets, so long as I taped them together at their edges so that
> they could fold along the edges.  There was no need for the skin panels
> themselves to bend -- they all remained flat and the same shape, always,
> no matter how the tensegrity flexed.  The flexing caused the dihedral
> angles between adjacent faces to change, but not the shapes of the
> faces.  Each face also rotated and moved in and out in space (its
> corners moved) but the face's shape did not distort.  I could have used
> granite slabs, with hinges joining them along their edges!
>
        Yes! This is the same principle that I used in my Synergy Ball, to
provide a rigid structure that still had the signature "tensegrity flex" when
you exerted pressure on it.
        I used paper and/or thin plastic film in my models, but as you said,
you could just as easily use honged plywood, metal, or granite. :-)

        I've put together a page to show some models of the Synergy Ball, and
will be expanding it as time goes on. I've been meaning to get off my butt and
do this for ages, so I used this as an impetus. Thanks for the post! :)

        Joe, here's one for the growing list of URL's:

http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Synergy/

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From:         James Fischer <jfischer@SUPERCOLLIDER.COM>
Subject:      Re: Tensegrity coatrack - it looks like...

        Andy said:

>A scanned picture would be helpful in visualizing, if you get a chance.

        From the description, I suspect that the item is
        a simple 3-strut prism.  The e-mail said, in part:

                >TENSEGRITY COATHANGER...

                >>-3x  7 foot pieces of 1x3s or 1x2 or 2x2

        This is a dead giveaway.  A 3-strut prism looks like
        a "pup tent", but the three struts which make up
        the roof ridge and the two bottom edges are NOT
        parallel, as they would be with a pup tent.

        The two triangles which make up the "front" and
        "back" of the "tent" are out of alignment, twisted
        around a line that would connect the center of
        the "front" and "back".

        Now that you have imagined all that, take the
        "pup tent", and set it so that the "door" faces
        straight up.  This is my best guess at the basic
        structure.

Manipulating 1s and 0s is not an art.  Getting paid to do it is.

james fischer                  jfischer@supercollider.com
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From:         "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
Subject:      Re: syn-l: Spherical TimeStar
Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com
Comments: cc: DOMES LIST <DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com>

Absolutely beautiful!!

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> From: richard hawkins <chardhawk@nets.com>
> To: synergetics-l@teleport.com
> Subject: syn-l: Spherical TimeStar
> Date: Monday, November 11, 1996 9:42 PM
>
> Spherical icosa with 5 spherical timestar tetra.
>
> Richard Hawkins <chardhawk@nets.com>
>
>
>
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From:         "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
Subject:      Fw: syn-l: Struck Lightning Tutorial
Comments: cc: DOMES LIST <DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com>

1.2 megs so takes a little over 10 minutes with a 14.4 modem, but
well worth the wait.

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> From: richard hawkins <chardhawk@nets.com>
> To: synergetics-l@teleport.com
> Subject: syn-l: Struck Lightning Tutorial
> Date: Monday, November 11, 1996 3:09 PM
>
> http://www.rt66.com/~charhawk/strucktut.html
>
> This is a "work in progress" animation  showing some of the basics
of
> the Struck modeler. I uploaded it to my fast server, so at 28.8 it
> should download in less than 5 minutes. You will need Quicktime
Plug-In.
> Gerald, Karl, and Kirby have helped with some suggestions. Any
others
> would be much appreciated. The "tutorial" has been designed to
appeal to
> students and even small children to stimulate interest in this
amazing
> Synergetic modeler.
>
> Richard Hawkins <chardhawk@nets.com>
> .-
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Date:         Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:10:44 +0100
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From:         tom aagdii <aagdii@MAIL.DDS.NL>
Subject:      Re: Fw: syn-l: Struck Lightning Tutorial
Comments: To: "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
In-Reply-To:  <9611112227.aa01043@inside.cruzio.com>

> > This is a "work in progress" animation  showing some of the basics
> of
> > the Struck modeler. I uploaded it to my fast server, so at 28.8 it
> > should download in less than 5 minutes. You will need Quicktime
> Plug-In.
> > Gerald, Karl, and Kirby have helped with some suggestions. Any
> others
> > would be much appreciated. The "tutorial" has been designed to
> appeal to
> > students and even small children to stimulate interest in this
> amazing
> > Synergetic modeler.
> >
> > Richard Hawkins <chardhawk@nets.com>
> > .-
>
   how about using natural photography as a background for
   some geometrical shaps- a sort of integral synthesis.
   i lost contact with synetgetics, so this might be
   used in other areas rather than this particular Time
   star event-reflex.

    tagdi
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Date:         Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:41:05 -0800
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From:         "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Fw: syn-l: Struck Lightning Tutorial
Comments: To: tom aagdii <aagdii@fatima.dds.nl>

Yes.  Keep in mind that most of the progress (doing more with less)
is in the invisible realm of atoms and molecules (such as Fullerenes,
electronics, etc.) and in inventions such as software.  Such progress
is not readily visible.

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> From: tom aagdii <aagdii@mail.dds.nl>
> To: Joe S. Moore <joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com>
> Subject: Re: Fw: syn-l: Struck Lightning Tutorial
> Date: Tuesday, November 12, 1996 10:41 AM
>
>     hi joe,
>
>     how is it going, do you think we are going in the right
direction.
>
>      tagdi
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Date:         Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:37:33 +0100
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From:         tom aagdii <aagdii@MAIL.DDS.NL>
Subject:      Re: Tensegrity coatrack plans
In-Reply-To:  <5602s4$9r0@news.inforamp.net>

nonsense staff:

Fuller changed the words to sunview, and suneclipse- later
changed it to suncut.

i was thinking, it may be necassary to link these words to
the action itself-to an observer; so, that i can say i see
the suncut, i see the sunview. or are there other words
that express the experience much better.


 i was also wondering if the law of area still holds if
 Pythogras tringle was spherical,


 - the quantum theory in its ealy phases used numerology
   firtously, just trial and erro way to find solution
   to certain formula.

   the numbers gave the correct solution; well, when one
   think about, the reason that the numbers were satisfactory
   is that they came from Universe and that numbers exprese
   integrality-  part of Universe. we normaly think of them
   as borrowed and isolated, as if they express extra from
   NonUniverse;  that way, i, and others learned the numbers
   at school. it could be amuzing if numbers found to be
   the quantume of metaphysical Universe.

   tagdi

   p.s the Greek knew that you can multiply by dividing;
        and they knew it by dividing the tringle, is there
        a hidden clue there! it is not easy to correct
        your view, is it!
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Date:         Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:03:17 -0800
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From:         "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
Subject:      Fw: syn-l: Re: Floating Environments

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> From: Kirby Urner <pdx4d@teleport.com>
> To: Melissa Du <myduarch@mozcom.com>
> Cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com
> Subject: syn-l: Re: Floating Environments
> Date: Wednesday, November 13, 1996 8:05 AM
>
> Hi Melissa --
>
> Re: RBF & Floating Platforms
>
> Today's local paper (The Oregonian, Nov 13, A10) has exactly the
> info you're looking for in terms of 'working version' i.e. more
> than a concept, of the floating platform.  Oil companies are
> using the design sketched in Critical Path, although on a smaller
   (pages 332-5)
> scale and for the special purpose of drilling for oil.
>
> Here's an excerpt (the part dealing with the platform itself,
> minus the pictures, all of which I could snailmail if you like):
>
(quote)
> Floating Football Fields
>
> From top to bottom, Shell Oil's pioneering tension-leg platforms
> are twice as tall as the Sears Tower. They are designed to
withstand
> 70-foot ocean waves and hurricane-force wind of 140 mph.
>
> The flaoting platforms weight 23,000 tons, are as big as a football
> field and have made it possible to drill for oil in the Gulf of
Mexico
> at depths once unimaginable.
>
> Soon, the second such platform will begin its journey from shore to

> half-mile-deep water 130 miles from New Orleans.  It is expected to
> begin pumping oil this year in almost 3,000 feet of water.
>
> The first platform has been in operation for two years.
>
> In 1990, Shell concluced that the typical derrick-like structures
> that have dotted the gulf's shallower waters for decades would be
> unable to drill in deep water.
>
> Its engineers went to work.
>
> Unlike the derrick, a fixed structure embedded in the sea bottom,
> the tension-leg platform floats on the water surface and can move
> as far as 100 yards in each direction to counter strong winds and
> high waves.
>
> With living quarters, a helicopter pad, drilling derrick and oil
> processing tanks, the platform rests on four drums standing on
> end, each 162 feet high and 74 feet in diameter.
>
> The drums resemble silos and weight 20,000 tons.  They rest on
> four 35-foot-wide pontoons that allow the structure to float.
>
> Twelve spindly tendons, three on each corner, stretch to the gulf
> floor to hold the floating rig secure.  Each tendon actually is a
> half-mile-long metal pipe, 28 inches in diameter, that is attached
> to a 375-foot-long pile driven into the ocean floor by hydraulic
> hammer.
(unquote)
>
> Kirby
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Kirby Urner  "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU
> Email: pdx4d@teleport.com
> Web:   http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/
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Date:         Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:51:39 +0100
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From:         tom aagdii <aagdii@MAIL.DDS.NL>
Subject:      Fuller Map
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SUN.3.90.961113201222.16184I-100000@dds.dds.nl>

usualy we learn to remember our country map, and if someone asked we can
darw it on a paper.

here is some tips about how to rmember the world 20 tringle map:

this is part of the map:
if you view the map from the leftside, you will see 2 f tringle standing,
and crossed by another 2f in revers-the base is on the top.
if you number the top 3 tringls 1,2,3, and the botom abc
then you can see that number 1 contain the tip of africa which
facing toward the vertex of tringle number 1; 3 contains a
bit of the bulge and the rest of the tringle is empty.
the rest of africa including  ost of soud arabia are in
tringle 2.

some of india and south east asia are in tringle a,
china and some of russa in tringle b and the rest of china and arctic
are in tringle c.

this gives a general way to remember, and even if you
forget. you will remember some of them. and it might
give a different feeling if you work in this style.

tagi
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Date:         Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:38:54 +0000
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From:         Robert Horley <roberth@IINET.NET.AU>
Subject:      Geodesic Sphere Loading

Hi:

I wonder if anyone could tell me how well a geodesic sphere can deal with an
internal load on its lower members.  I'm interested in the use of a geodesic
spherical structure to give rigid support to a spherical airship.  Cargo
would be in the bottom section of the sphere, while the lifting cells would
be in the upper part of the sphere.

Robert Horley
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Date:         Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:04:52 PST
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From:         Jan Allbright <jana@CORP.HP.COM>
Subject:      Re: Geodesic Sphere Loading
In-Reply-To:  <2.2.32.19961115133854.008549ec@mail.iinet.net.au>; from "Robert
              Horley" at Nov 15, 96 1:38 pm

>
> Hi:
>
> I wonder if anyone could tell me how well a geodesic sphere can deal with an
> internal load on its lower members.  I'm interested in the use of a geodesic
> spherical structure to give rigid support to a spherical airship.  Cargo
> would be in the bottom section of the sphere, while the lifting cells would
> be in the upper part of the sphere.
>
> Robert Horley
>

An interesting side bar...according to Bucky's calculations a dome
with a diam of about a mile would float because the air inside would
be hotter and thus lighter than the surrounding air. The added weight
of people would be "trivial" (don't know how many people he was talking
about). This was accompanied by a picture of a HUGE dome floating in
the Grand Canyon.

What a mind......

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VRML Dome Generator

Grafman's VR World is a Grafman production
and has been brought to you as a service of GraphComp.

All of the text/images/sounds/animation/vrml used in the above worlds
are original works of Robert M. Free and may not be used, in part or
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SVT's Housing Programme (India)

"(3) Progress so far and acceptability of the design. SVT has built
12 dome houses, both at Devipuram and in the village of Gangavaram.
Apart from the ones at Devipuram, they currently house the Mahila
Mandals started by SVT, in various villages. The houses at Devipuram
serve as guest-houses to visitors. About 50,000 people from various
sections of society visited these domes during a festival in February
1994, and commented on the excellent feeling they had being inside
them. This is a very positive indicator of the acceptability of the
design. In fact, two families in Gangavaram village are so pleased
with the design of the dome-house in the village, that they have
started building such a house by themselves. Further, two dome houses
have been built using SVT's design by a private entrepreneur at
Parvatipuram, and were very well received by the Tribal Development
Corporation of the Andhra Pradesh Government.

SVT is also constructing dome houses for its evening schools in the
nearby villages. The Government's NFE programme has agreed to cover
25% of the costs for these schools, 25% of the expenses will be
provided by the villagers (in terms of labour and cost), and SVT will
cover the remaining 50%. SVT will complete 15 such schools by March
1995, at which point it will begin a socio-economic survey of the
acceptability of the structure to the villagers."
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"Sri Vidya Trust (SVT) is a registered voluntary secular organisation
functioning in rural areas near Anakapalle in Vishakhapatnam
District, Andhra Pradesh. Its goal is to solve poverty-related
problems in the region by providing basic education for children,
building low-cost permanent houses for the poor, and by organising
rural thrift co-operatives. SVT also aims to use communications media
to develop skills in adults, and to promote awareness in the
community about family issues such as health care. SVT was founded by
Dr. Nishtala Prahlada Sastry."
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"Dr. Sastry, the founder of SVT, now works as a voluntary consultant
for SVT. Smt. K. Rama, a civil engineer, is the chairperson of SVT
now, while Shri. K. V. Prabhakar is the Secretary and Shri. Sitarama
Sastry is the Treasurer. Shri. M. K. Gurunath, a civil engineer who
has designed and built the Express Towers at Nariman Point in Bombay,
works as a voluntary consulting civil engineer for SVT."
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Date:         Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:00:25 -0800
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Subject:      NEW BUCKY PIC!
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NCSU Libraries - University Archives Photograph Collection, Students
(122K black & white JPG pic)

"Buckminster Fuller leads a group of students from the School of
Design on a project to design a geodesic dome for a cotton mill, ca.
1950."

http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/libraries/archives/dome.jpg

North Carolina State University Libraries
Special Collections Department
Raleigh, North Carolina USA

See _Critical Path_, pages 323-27.
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Date:         Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:32:14 -0800
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Subject:      BUCKY AUDIO TAPES

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Synergetics (The Pajaro Dunes Tapes)

Fuller offers the culmination and synthesis of his own personal
50-year experiment. With his extraordinary technological grasp of the
universe, his desire is to facilitate what the individual can do, in
very specific ways, on behalf of humanity. He presents the
fundamental data of Synergetics, the central core of his conceptual
work.*

*The Synergetic diagrams he drew while lecturing are included with
the tapes.

FULLER: Synergetics - 1977, Santa Cruz, CA; 00704, Eight Audiotapes,
$72
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The Critical Path

Fuller relates the experience of the incredible acceleration of
change that came about in his lifetime. He explains his vision of how
the universe works and how its laws have been discovered for the
purpose of igniting our curiosity.

FULLER: The Critical Path - 1982, Maui, HI; 00701, Two Audiotapes,
$18
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Integrity Day

Integrity, Fuller believes, is equal to or greater than any of the
other guiding forces of the world. During a period of recuperation
from hip surgery, he had a vision of creating a forum where
individuals could address the power of personal integrity in the
world.

FULLER: Integrity Day - 1983, San Rafael, CA; 00702, Four Audiotapes,
$36
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Designing Environments

FULLER: Designing Environments - 1967, Esalen, CA; 00703, Two
Audiotapes, $18
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Date:         Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:24:49 GMT
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Organization: bp ent.
Subject:      Re: Tensegrity coatrack plans

In article <199611101333.HAA17695@fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com>, Andy Lewis
<alewis@MSN.FULLFEED.COM> wrote:

> A scanned picture would be helpful in visualizing, if you get a chance.

I found some excellent pictures of how to make them out of
> >rubber bands and pencils at the following site:
> >
> >http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/tenseg1.html

Also, to clarify things, here are the 9 connections required. Each hole
has 3 connections with other struts.


CONNECTIONS:

TOP (T)  BOTTOM (B)

T1 to T2, T3, B3
T2 to T3, B1
T3 to B2
B1 to B2, B3
B2 to B3

--
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In-Reply-To:  <9611131754.aa02502@inside.cruzio.com>

i think  that epistomology in the back of Fuller Synergetics 1 can
tigh the whole book together. i call this the back of Fuller.

epistmology is the clue to coherent way to study comprhensivly;
suppose you go to a University which teaches generalists-synergetic
University, wholistic what other respectable name!

when you go to see the course book for the first year, you will
see 1.Epistemology 101
    2.general symentic 102, how to use everday language to learn about
                          gradioses ideas, akin to the change of San Jose
                          dismisal of extra lard of
                           normal books.
    3.system theory103
    4.senarios related to epistmology 101
    5.design work shop 104, learn by doing


    total 15 hour credits.


    this does not mean to strucutre synergetic according to formal
    descipline; but just to give some order, you change as you go.
    does this mean that learning should be a trimtab event.
  tagdi


     who wants to be a teache on this university; requirments
     you have to be good at one of these subjests listed upove.
     just a suggestion, nothing realy seriouse.
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From:         tom aagdii <aagdii@MAIL.DDS.NL>
Subject:      How to become a world citizen- introductary steps...
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SUN.3.90.961116122440.8550B-100000@dds.dds.nl>

Fuller projection
left to right.
in the begining of the map there  are 2tringles of second frequency
crossing each other. next comes a tringle and then another 2 frequency
tringle.  tringle  between the 2 big tringles(2f tringles)
i number it 4,
then i go
on  5,6,7,,8 and then 1/2 tringle that contain part of the antiarctic.

so we can number the serious of tringles-the big stretch 1 to 8
that is an octave, and the top a b c d e total of 5.

then all you need to do is describe what continent or part of
it in what tringle and state the direction of each for easy remembring.

after you learn part of the map, you can try to draw it.
i have a nice experience drawing from memeory in multidirection,
 there
is no need, anymore to draw a map linearly. the effect in
the brain is strange, i feel there is more to it, but you
need time to see it.


tagdi


 if you have question, you can write back....
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Subject:      Re: Big Sur Tapes Link
Comments: To: Big Sur Tapes <bigsur@well.com>

I don't have a web site of my own.  I just post a lot to the Geodesic
list.  I'm sending a copy of this reply to the Geodesic list for
their information.  By the way, did your company used to be called
"Workshop Cassettes", located in Big Sur, CA?  And also, do you sell
an edited version of  "Buckminster Fuller at Pajaro Dunes"?  Thanks
for writing.  JSM
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> From: Big Sur Tapes <bigsur@well.com>
> To: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Subject: Big Sur Tapes Link
> Date: Thursday, November 14, 1996 3:35 PM
>
> We're sending you our "link letter" because we carry some wonderful
Bucky
> audio tapes recorded from 1967-1982 by Paul Herbert from Esalen
Institute
> which we carry in our catalog that may interest your web site
visitors:
>
> Hello from Big Sur Tapes, We will be linking to your site, and
would like
> you to consider linking your site to ours, so that we
> can directly reach people who have a particular interest in our
speakers
> and their subject matter. Please visit our site to see
> what we have to offer. Big Sur Tapes was founded in 1989 to
preserve and
> publish the audio archive of over 8,000 hours
> recorded by Paul Herbert, primarily at Esalen Institute, from the
early
> 1960's to the present. Our efforts have expanded to
> include other audio archives which may be either at physical risk
or
> known about by only a few. We are now the caretakers for
> many archives big and small, including those of the San Francisco
Jung
> Institute and Aldous Huxley. If you would prefer to
> have a button to access our web site, please let us know, and we'll

> provide one. Linking to those who might find our materials
> useful is very important to us, so we would appreciate hearing from
you
> regarding this, and with any other suggestions you may
> have. Looking forward to hearing from you, Janica Fox Anderson
Curator
> and Publisher Our web site address is:
> http://www.bigsurtapes.com  Our E-mail address is:
linking@bigsurtapes.com Our
> phone number is: (800) 688-5512 Our fax
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Subject:      _LIGHTFUL HOUSING_ QUOTE

(Buckminster Fuller unpublished document:  Lightful Housing, 1928,
pages 41 & 42, posted by Bonnie DeVarco)
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> From: DeVarco@aol.com
> To: Synergetics-l@teleport.com
> Subject: syn-l: Fwd: 4D Timelock Part 1
> Date: Friday, November 15, 1996 3:10 PM
(snip, snip)
> Bottom line is the 4 and 5-fold dichotomy.  It is hard to do them
both
> together - that was Bucky's last challenge and his very first when
he wrote
> the first manuscript (which was hidden) for 4-D Timelock.  The
following
> paragraph is the most important part of that Lightful housing
document from
> 1928 (I assume you all have seen and read the full doc last year).
>
>(All caps appear as Bucky originally typed them in the manuscript.)
>
> "Now for a segment on SPHERES..."
>
> "... Now here is the real statement of things as they are visible
or
> invisible, soundful or silent, tangible or intangible, etc.  ALL
MATTER
> visible or invisible is naturally a perfect sphere or spheroidal in
shape.
>  Due to dynamic forces and contacts of other spheres of greater
kinetic
> energy none of our spheres are perfect in shape.  In as much as
they cannot
> exist witout time they all have a time dimension.  ALL THE SPHERES
OF
> MATERIAL THINGS BE THEY OF OUR BODY OR OF STONE (organic or
inorganic, so
> improperly called) ARE, like radio waves, EXPANDING SPHERES AND
THEY KEEP ON
> EXPANDING ON A FIXED WAVE LENGTH FOR THE TIME LIMIT OF THEIR
EXISTENCE.  As a
> cross sectional demonstration of the fourth dimension, let us go to
the stone
> dropped in the pool of water it creates waves which radiate out
until they
> are overpowered with some dynamic force, when they subside.
Measuring from
> the center where the stone was dropped to the final extreme outer
circle
> reached we have the time limit or life of existence.  Now returning
to
> mathematics that is the abstract one that of aritmatic and algebra
we find
> that they, knowing no material bounds were correct, and that
inasmuch as we
> can have as many right angle lines addressing the surface of a
sphere as we
> may wish to infinity, we can therefore keep raising any figure,
indicative of
> a mathematical division of matter, to any power we wish, merely
indicating
> the size of that much greater sphere by the distance from the
center of the
> sphere by that much greater a time unit.  In as much as time then
is space
> (not a line) between the center and the surface which would be
indicated by
> the radii of the sphere we realize that time alone is the shortest
distance
> between two points, for starting with matter actually as it is and
taking the
> roots of it or dividing it up we can do so to any degree we wish
for we can
> never eliminate matter by dividing it.  Revolve that sensation over
in your
> mind till familiar with it, all matter in unforced state is
spheroidal not
> cubistic and these spheres are expanding for the life of their
existence at a
> fixed rate."   (BF unpublished document:  Lightful Housing 1928 p.
41 & 42.)
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Subject:      BUCKY QUOTE

Bucky said in Synergetics 2
1130.25:

 "The reality is always systematically spiro-orbital.  Orbit =
circuit.  For
instance, all terrestrial critical-path developments inherently orbit
the
Sun.  No path can develop as curvature free linearity.  All paths are
precessionally modulated by remotely operative forces that produce
curvi-wavi-spiralinear paths.  Increasingly complex
curvi-wavi-spiralinear,
system-embracing circuits are diffusive -- ergo, spinoff prone; ergo,
system-mass reducing; ergo ultimately bit-by-bit self-annihilative.
Spun off
simplexes may come into critical interattractiveness with other
diffusely
detached simplexes to form other young complex systems, to
syntropically
initiate new, mass-increasing, cosmically-local-traveler, complex
system-defining, new intercelestial orbiting circuits."

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Date:         Sat, 16 Nov 1996 14:42:49 -0800
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Subject:      BUCKY QUOTE

_Synergetics 2_, 1052.68

"The physical Universe is an aggregate of frequencies.  Each chemical
element
is uniquely identifiable in the electromagnetic specturm by its
special set
of unique frequencies.  These frequency sets interact to produce more
complexly unique cycle frequencies, which are unheard by human ear
but which
resonate just as do humanly hearable musical chords or dissonances.
Thus
occurs a great cosmic orchestration, ranging from the microcosmic
nuclear
isotropicity -- directly undetectable by the human senses -- through
the
minuscule range detectable by humans, to the very complex,
macrocosmic,
supra-to-human-tunability symphonies of multiaggregates of
isotropically
interpositioned galaxies."  R. Buckminster Fuller

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Subject:      BUCKY QUOTE

Bonnie DeVarco <DeVarco@aol.com> posted the following recently to the
Synergetics list:

Now consider this dialogue from a transcript of the 1962 BBC Horizons
special
"World of Buckminster Fuller" (the first of the series which is the
precurser
to NOVA), Bucky talked with virologist Aaron Klug (who with Donald
Caspar and
Robert Horne had just discovered the icosahedral structure of viruses
through
the electron microscope photographs) about structure (surrounded
appropriately with Klug's solid polyhedra models and Bucky's
geo-d-stix
vector models of polyhedra) at Cambridge.  As they both are looking
closely
at a geo-d-stix strut and flexible hub model they said:

Bucky: "The elasticity of the model shows spherical trigonometry."

Klug:  "People often ask me if I can do spherical trig.  The answer
is, "Yes, but I don't use it."

Bucky:  "What nature does is she puts it together in the simplest way
and
then she tries to get more comfortable so she stretches into the
spherical
trig... because there is just enough oscillating differences there."

Klug:  "One of the things that we try to teach electron microscopists
is that
shape is incidental -- the thing turns out to be whatever shape it
turns out
-- it doesn't matter...   But in fact there is many rounded versions
where it
has the shape of a spherical icosahedron.

"One of the things I have learned from the way you make your things
is that
you abandon traditional classical mathematics when discussing making
real
objects and although this is a useful step you have got to 'learn to
forget'.
That in my own work was the hardest step because I'm a physicist by
training...

"I always thought of the icosahedron in the Greek sense as a perfect
object."
But when you see an edge, you actually see it as made of real rods
and
struts and things.  This took some forgetting I can tell you, in fact
one of
the stumbling blocks that we had was we tried to think of structures
as
spherical bodies.  We made this mistake... we always wanted to make
the greek
ideal and never the real thing.  But nature doesn't care less about
ideals"

Bucky:  "For instance I discovered that two lines couldn't go through
the
same point at the same time ...  The very essence of this skewing is
that
things will not go through the same point at the same time"

Klug:  "When I read your notes and I went I read one of your theorems
that
two lines can't intersect, it seems a bit odd, for instance you laugh
at it
because it is not what you learned in school, but when you think of
the real
world of objects you see that it is absolutely bound by this.  And I
have
known that."

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Subject:      Latest hits tally (synhome.html)

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 508 http://www.yahoo.com/Science/Mathematics/Geometry/Synergetics/
 474 http://www.critpath.org/bfi/
 367 http://www.tcp.com/~prime8/Orbit/Bucky/
 360 http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/mathhist/fuller.html
 287 http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html
 284 http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/
 220 http://www.li.net/~george/pavilion.html
 187 http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=geodesic
 178 http://www.pbs.org/wnet/bucky/syner.html
 173 http://www.newciv.org/worldtrans/whole/bucky.html


Report code by K. Urner using MSFT VFP
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Kirby Urner  "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU
Email: pdx4d@teleport.com
Web:   http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/
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Date:         Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:44:47 +0100
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From:         tom aagdii <aagdii@MAIL.DDS.NL>
Subject:      feeling of sphericity of the Earth.

Tagdi,

I just put a post card in the mail to you. Let me know if you receive it.
As for your weather question: 1) I can only give basic descriptions; 2)
You must be thinking I'm near the Antarctic Penninsula- the long horn of
land that juts out from the continent which is almost across the horn
from the tip of South America. McMurdo is south of New Zealand. Even so,
I flew here in a plane and don't have any experience navigating.


Right Now the ice edge-where the frozen sea meets the open ocean-is about
40 miles from McMurdo. Next Month the ice will be melted enough for ice
breaker ships to cut a path through the Ross Sea to McMurdo.

By January the Sea should be pretty well melted. However, it freezes over
again in April. Out by our town the sea ice is over 6 feet thick! Ice at
this depth can support an entire runway facility for large aircraft. The
ice runway where I work-at the ice galley (or kitchen) has services six
large cargo planes and 5 small aircraft fro transporting teams of science
personell to the field.

Joe
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Date:         Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:49:02 +0100
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From:         tom aagdii <aagdii@MAIL.DDS.NL>
Subject:      thinking or is feeling the  high f geodesic earth.

I forgot to tell you that Yes, I can tell about being inverted here. To
understand this just look at the moon...upside down.i correct( outside
in.
 That is how I see
the moon. Look more like the face of a Weddell Seal thatn the traditional
'Man in the Moon.'

AND, are you sure we're 40 miles from NZ? Why would it take 8 hrs by air?
On the traditional map our nautical location is 77 degrees 30 minutes
South latitude-165 degrees 00 minutues East longititude.

Thanks,

Joe
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Date:         Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:53:12 -0800
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From:         "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
Subject:      Re: syn-l: re 4D ...for Bonnie
Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com

Thomas,

The physical universe is made out of energy which is always in motion.

A given amount of energy going in a certain direction for a certain amount
of time is called a "vector".  (By definition a vector already embodies 3
aspects of the physical universe: Time, direction, and quantity.)

By experimentation it can be determined that the minimum and only stable
structure that can be constructed out of vectors is a triangle. Therefore,
nature must be building everything out of triangles!

What shapes can be built out of self-stabilizing, equilateral triangles?

2 triangles just flop around or make a hinge, but do not make a stable
shape.

3 triangles will form a stable shape called a tetrahedron.  It is the
minimum shape in the physical universe.  It has 3 triangles around each
vertex.

4 triangles around each vertex forms a shape called an octahedron.

5 triangles around each vertex formes a shape called an icosahedron.

6 triangles around a vertex forms a plane and, therefore, they will not
close back upon themselves to enclose a volume.

By experimentation, then, we have now discovered for ourselves that nature
must be building everything out of various permutations and combinations
of only 3 basic shapes: the tet, the oct, and the icosa!  What an
incredable insight!  This is the essence of Synergetics.

Joe
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> From: ThomasM451@aol.com
> To: synergetics-l@teleport.com
> Cc: tmmandel@wwa.com
> Subject: Re: syn-l: re 4D ...for Bonnie
> Date: Sunday, November 17, 1996 10:39 AM
>
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Date:         Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:00:04 -0500
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From:         loretta lorance <llorance@EMAIL.GC.CUNY.EDU>
Subject:      Save Sesame Street!!
Comments: To: GEODESIC@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
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I hope this is not too far from the main topic.

Subject: Save Sesame Street!!
>>
>>>
>>>>>>Dear Friends:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please help save Sesame Street from being canceled!!!
>>>>>>Just add your name to the list and send the message to everyone you
>>>>>>know.
>>>>>>This message is brought to you by the letter "H" (for help) and the
>>>>>>number "1,000,000"  (for the number of names we want to sign)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                   THE CHILD IN YOU, THANKS YOU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>          Save Sesame Street from being cancelled!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is a petition to save Sesame Street.  ALL YOU DO IS ADD YOUR
>>>>>>NAME TO THE LIST AT THE BOTTOM, then forward it to everyone you
>>>>>know.
>>>>>>The only time you send it to the included address is if you are the
>>>>>>50th,100th, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Send it on to everyone you know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>PBS, NPR (National Public Radio), and the arts are facing major
>>>>>>cutbacks in funding.  In spite of the efforts of each station to
>>>>>>reduce spending costs and streamline their services, the government
>>>>>>officials believe that the funding currently going to these programs
>>>>>
>>>>>>is too large a portion of funding for something which is seen as
>>>>>>"unworthwhile."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal $1.12 per
>>>>>>person per year, and the National Endowment for the Arts equals
>>>>>>$.64 a year in total. A January 1995   CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll
>>>>>>indicated that 76% of Americans wish to keep funding for PBS,
>>>>>>third only to national defense and law enforcement as the most
>>>>>>valuable programs for federal funding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Each year, the Senate and House Appropriations commitees each have
>>>>>>13 subcommitees with jurisdiction over many programs and agencies.
>>>>>>Each subcommitee passes its own appropriation bill. The goal each
>>>>>>year is to have each bill signed by the beginning of the fiscal
>>>>>year,
>>>>>>which is October 1. In the instance of the Corporation of Public
>>>>>>Broadcasting, the bill determines the funding for the next three
>>>>>years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When this issue comes up in 1996, the funding will be determined for
>>>>>
>>>>>>fiscal years 1996-1998. The only way that our representatives can
>>>>>>be aware of the base of support for PBS and funding for these types
>>>>>of
>>>>>>programs is
>>>>>>by making our voices heard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please add your name to this list if you believe in what we stand
>>>>>for.
>>>>>>This list will be forwarded to the President of the United States,
>>>>>the
>>>>>>Vice President of the United States, the House of Representatives
>>>>>and
>>>>>>Congress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th, etc. signer of this
>>>>>>petition, please forward to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         kubi7975@blue.univnorthco.edu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This way we can keep track of the lists and organize them. Forward
>>>>>>this to everyone you know, and help us to keep these programs alive.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------<
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   1.  Elizabeth Weinert, student, University of Northern
>>>>>Colorado,
>>>>>>>>Colorado.
>>>>>>>>   2.  Nikki Marchman, student, University of Northern Colorado,
>>>>>>>>Colorado.
>>>>>>>>   3.  Laura King, Salt Lake City, Utah
>>>>>>>>   4.  Mary Lambert, San Francisco, CA
>>>>>>>>   5.  Sam Tucker, Seattle, WA
>>>>>>>>   6.  Steve Mack, Seattle, WA
>>>>>>>>   7.  Stacy Shelley, Sub Pop Records, Seattle, WA.
>>>>>>>>   8.  Amy Saaed, Seattle, WA
>>>>>>>>   9.  Jill Hudgins, Atlanta, GA
>>>>>>>>  10. Alex Goolsby, student, Colgate University, Hamilton, NY
>>>>>>>>  11. Aisha K. McGriff, North Carolina School of Science and Math
>>>>>>>>  12. Amy Brushwood, North Carolina School of Science and Math
>>>>>>>>  13. Mason Blackwell, student The College of William and Mary
>>>>>>>>  14. Melinda Murphy, student, St. Mary's College of Maryland
>>>>>>>>  15. Amy Raphael, student, University of Pennsylvania
>>>>>>>>  16. Nancy Adleman, student, Stanford University
>>>>>>>>  17. Paul Bodnar, student, Stanford University
>>>>>>>>  18. Kunal Bajaj, student, University of Pennsylvania
>>>>>>>>  19. Sharon Seltzer, student, University of Pennsylvania
>>>>>>>>  20. Sugirtha Vivekananthan, student, University of Pennsylvania
>>>>>>>>  21. Ann Wang, student, University of Pennsylvania
>>>>>>>>  22. Seth Resler, student, Brown University
>>>>>>>>  23. Leslie Ching, student, Brown University
>>>>>>>>  24. Sylvia Barbut, student, Carnegie Mellon University
>>>>>>>>  25. Karri Plotkin, student, Carnegie Mellon University
>>>>>>>>  26. Kamilla Chaudh, student, Emory University
>>>>>>>>  27. Jon Gordon,student,Princeton University
>>>>>>>>  28. Nadine Knight, student, Princeton University
>>>>>>>>  27. Erica Amianda, student, Johns Hopkins University
>>>>>>>>  30. Rachel Pletcher, student, Johns Hopkins University
>>>>>>>>  31. Janet Aardema, student, Davidson College
>>>>>>>>  32. Kelly Kiefer, student, Davidson College
>>>>>>>>  33. Jane Ruschky, student, Davidson College
>>>>>>>>  34. Courtney Pace, student, Davidson College
>>>>>>>>  35. Allison Patten, student, Northwestern University
>>>>>>>>  36. Chad Ballentine, student, Franklin Road Academy
>>>>>>>>  37. Allison Patten, student, Northwestern University
>>>>>>>>  38. Rachel Allen, student, Rhodes College
>>>>>>>>  39. Mary Rose Herbert, student, Guilford College
>>>>>>>>  40. Christie Todd, student, Rhodes College
>>>>>>>>  41. Athena Petropoulos, Rhodes College
>>>>>>>>  42. Kathryn Hoang, student, Rhodes College
>>>>>>>>  43. Lan To, student, Rhodes College
>>>>>>>>  44. Ben Hagy, student, Reed College
>>>>>>>>  45. Stephanie Marrs, student, University of Pennsylvania
>>>>>>>>  46. Meg Smith, student, Rice University
>>>>>>>>  47. Julian Zinn, student, University of Texas
>>>>>>>>  48. Adam Talianchich, student, University of Texas
>>>>>>>>  49. Michael GLazner, student, Southwestern Universirty
>>>>>>>>  50. Katherine Rainwater, student, Southwestern University
>>>>>>>>  51. Will O'Brien, student, Southwestern University
>>>>>>>>  52. Meridith McConnell, student, Southwestern University
>>>>>>>>  53. Amy Cassata, student, Trinity University
>>>>>>>>  54. Heather Hanchett, student, Trinity University
>>>>>>>>  55. Mike Elsner, student, Trinity University, San Antonio
>>>>>>>>  56. ND Victor Carsrud, student, University of Texas Medical
>>>>>>>>      Branch,Galveston
>>>>>>>>  57. Michael Eisenstein, Engineer, Dallas, TX
>>>>>>>>  58. Tehmina Banatwala, English Teacher, Houston, TX
>>>>>>>>  59. Paula Leigh Cox, Account Executive, San Antonio, TX
>>>>>>>>  60. Jennifer Franks, Account executive, San Antonio, TX
>>>>>>>>  61. Mike Mineo, student, UT medical school, Houston, TX
>>>>>>>>  62. Andre de Launay, Amer. Grad. School of Intl.Mgmt, Glendale,
>>>>>AZ
>>>>>>>>  63. Tawne Bachus, Thunerbird, the American Grad School of Intl.
>>>>>>>>Mgmt.,
>>>>>>>>      Glendale, AZ.
>>>>>>>>  64. Ty Bachus, graphic designer, Herndon, VA
>>>>>>>>  65. Thomas Inskip, software engineer, Washington, DC.
>>>>>>>>  66. Dana Hollish, Green Seal
>>>>>>>>  67. Neil Payne, St. Mary's College, MD
>>>>>>>>  68. Douglas G. Davis, Gainesville, Fl.
>>>>>>>>  69. Paula Garfinkle, Potomac, MD
>>>>>>>>  70. Jeff Boodman, Falls Church, VA
>>>>>>>>  71. Erica Sangster, Graduate School of Design, Cambridge MA
>>>>>>>>  72. Nathalia Glickman, Graduate student, University of Oregon,
>>>>>>>>Eugene, OR.
>>>>>>>>  73. Chee Chan, Ex-Pat, Singapore
>>>>>>>>  74. Justin Tan, University of Toronto, Canada
>>>>>>>>  75. Sue Burrows, McMaster University, Hamilton, Canada
>>>>>>>>  76. Kelly Cox, York University, Toronto, Canada
>>>>>>>>  77. Amanda Holt, Ryerson Polytechnic University, Toronto, Canada
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  78. Sara Fisher, University of Guelph, Guelph, Canada
>>>>>>>>  79. Elliot Salmons, Ryerson Polytechnic University, Toronto,
>>>>>>Canada
>>>>>>>>  80. Dori Skye, Ryerson Polytechnic University, Toronto, Canada
>>>>>>>>  81. Jana Atkins, York University, Toronto, Canada
>>>>>>>>  82. Joshua Engel, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
>>>>>>>>  83. Haim Gorodzinsky, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
>>>>>>>>  84. Melissa Medley, Loyola University Chicago, IL
>>>>>>>>  85. Kim Puhr, Loyola University Chicago, IL
>>>>>>>>  86. Lena Dukic, Chicago, IL
>>>>>>>>  87. Betsy Greer, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC
>>>>>>>>  88. Lisa Thompson, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  89. Ryan Emanuel, Duke University, Durham, NC
>>>>>>>>  90. Gautham Venkat, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  91. Christina Varughese, u of penn, phila, pa
>>>>>>>>  92. John Varghese, student,University of Md at Baltimore County
>>>>>>>>  93. Jason Putsche, student, University of Md at Baltimore County
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  94. Melissa Koponen, student, St John's University, Queens, NY
>>>>>>>>  95. Peter C. Frank, student, New York Law School, New York, NY
>>>>>>>>  96. Mark J. Bousquet, student, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute,
>>>>>
>>>>>>NY
>>>>>>>>97.
>>>>>>>>      Roberta E. Chase, student, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute,
>>>>>
>>>>>>NY
>>>>>>>>  98. David A. Phillips, student, Rensselaer Polytechnic
>>>>>Institute,
>>>>>>NY
>>>>>>>>  99. James E. Charbonneau, student, Virginia Tech, VA
>>>>>>>> 100. Sara M. Eells, student, Virginia Tech, VA
>>>>>>>> 101. Courtney Reiter, student, Virginia Tech, VA
>>>>>>>> 102. Larissa Buccolo, student, Virginia Tech, VA
>>>>>>>> 103. Amanda Hill, student, Indiana University, IN
>>>>>>>> 104. Tony Grimes, student, Indiana University, IN
>>>>>>>> 105. Laurie Metzger, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 106. Amy Smith, student, University of Maryland, College Park, MD
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 107. Michelle Crispino, student, University of Maryland, College
>>>>>>Park,
>>>>>>>>MD
>>>>>>>> 108. Antonella Cavallo, student, University of Maryland, College
>>>>>>Park,
>>>>>>>>MD
>>>>>>>> 109. Ranjana Varghese, student, University of Maryland, College
>>>>>>Park,
>>>>>>>>MD
>>>>>>>> 110. Jennifer McCloskey, student, University of Maryland, College
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Park, MD
>>>>>>>> 111. Jenni DuBreuil, student, Salisbury State University, MD
>>>>>>>> 112. Greg Zapiec, student, Salisbury State University, MD
>>>>>>>> 113. Helen Woods, student, Salisbury State University, MD
>>>>>>>> 114. Gary Bringman, student, Salisbury, State University, MD
>>>>>>>> 115. Dave Rabinovitz, Fan of Snuffulluffagas, New Rochelle, New
>>>>>>York
>>>>>>>> 116. Thea S. Lovallo, Dated Elmo, Port Chester,NY  (student)
>>>>>>>> 117. Scott Johnson, I am the Cookie Monster... Coo Coo Ca Choo
>>>>>>>>      Nashville, TN (musician)
>>>>>>>> 118. Emily Johnson, Bert & Ernie fan, Nashville, TN
>>>>>>>> 119. Greg Engel, I count numbers, Pittsburgh, PA (dentist)
>>>>>>>> 120. Franco Sicilia, Jr., I loved Mr Hooper, Philadelphia, Pa
>>>>>>>> 121. Kelly Icardi, Bitten by The Count, Pittsburgh, PA
>>>>>>>> 122. Lisa Yaszek, graduate student, University of Wisconsin,
>>>>>>Madison,
>>>>>>>>WI
>>>>>>>> 123. Grant Carmichael, Sesame St. makes great use of TV, Grand
>>>>>>Rapids,
>>>>>>>>MI
>>>>>>>> 124. Jeffery J. Glasen, Coopersburg, PA
>>>>>>>> 125. Laura Trausch Snyder, High School Math Teacher, Lisle,
>>>>>>Illinois -
>>>>>>>>      Please don't take away Big Bird!
>>>>>>>> 126. Christine Holguin - San Diego Ca.  - Grew up on Sesame
>>>>>>Street!!!
>>>>>>>>Save
>>>>>>>>      it for my kids!!!!!
>>>>>>>> 127. Bess Baer, San Diego, CA
>>>>>>>> 128. Candice Anderson, Newport Beach, CA
>>>>>>>> 129. Rachel Goodwin, M.S., San Francisco, CA  I still watch
>>>>>Sesame
>>>>>>>>Street!!
>>>>>>>>      It's the greatest.  Just today I saw Oscar teach Sloppy to
>>>>>>>>wiggle.
>>>>>>>> 130. Judy Corse, Jr. High Teacher, Eagle Rock, CA
>>>>>>>> 131. W. Bruce Watson, Livermore, CA
>>>>>>>> 132. Ed Costello, Pleasanton, CA.  Brought to you today by the
>>>>>>number
>>>>>>>>'5'.
>>>>>>>> 133. Julie Buehler, San Bruno, CA
>>>>>>>> 134. Denise Ann Maurer, Palo Alto, CA  Save the Snuffle-up-a-gus!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 135. B. Kyle Partridge, Somerville, MA  "Mana manam.  Doot doo
>>>>>dee
>>>>>>doo
>>>>>>>>doo!"
>>>>>>>> 136. A.Y. Laury, Somerville, MA  The seeds planted by Sesame can
>>>>>>one
>>>>>>>>day
>>>>>>>>      save the world...
>>>>>>>> 137. Alexis M. Scott, Lexington, MA
>>>>>>>> 138. S. Steele, Woodbridge, VA
>>>>>>>> 139. Alexander Whitney, Associate Scientist, Plainsboro, NJ
>>>>>>>> 140. Monica Belton, Assistant Microbiologist, Andover, NJ
>>>>>>>> 141. Marika Skiadas, Assistant Microbiologist, Somerset, NJ
>>>>>>>> 142. Ann Skiadas, Environmental Engineer, Somerset, NJ
>>>>>>>> 143. Sharone Menczel, law student, University of Pennsylvania
>>>>>where
>>>>>>>>are the
>>>>>>>>      ten missing numbers? (doug anderson, who will be 158)
>>>>>>>> 153. Beth Ritter, Awards Coordinator-MTV Networks New York
>>>>>>>> 154. Julie Kellman MTV Animation-MTV Networks New York
>>>>>>>> 155. Rachelle Etienne MTV Production-MTV Networks, New York
>>>>>>>> 156. Doug Anderson- Associate Producer- MTV SPORTS, NYC
>>>>>>>> 157. Cinnamon-Anne Booth-Production Coordinator,MTV House of
>>>>>>Style,NYC
>>>>>>>> 158. Brian Cooper- Production Coordinator, MTV On Air Promos, NYC
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 159. Marisa Fazzina- Coordinator, MTV On Air Graphics, NYC
>>>>>Sesame
>>>>>>>>      Street is
>>>>>>>>      part of American History!!!
>>>>>>>> 160. Lynne Mishele- Freelance Producer, NYC
>>>>>>>> 161. July Lopez-MTV On Air Graphics,NYC
>>>>>>>> 162. Henry Lescaille - MTVN Human Resources, NYC
>>>>>>>> 163. Matthew Larsen - MTVN Human Resources, NYC
>>>>>>>> 164. Jennifer Langheld - MTV Traffic Assistant, NYC
>>>>>>>> 165. Alyson Leonard- Coordinator, MTV Production Library, NYC
>>>>>>>> 166. R.J. Murphy - Studio Manager, MTV Animation, NYC
>>>>>>>> 167. Michelle Volpe - Office Manager, Cambridge Technology
>>>>>>Partners,
>>>>>>>>NYC
>>>>>>>> 168. Nandita Bery - Software Developer, CTP, NYC
>>>>>>>> 169. Mike Apmann - Ernie & Bert rock.  Computer Geek, Pepsi Cola,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Somers NY
>>>>>>>> 170. Sal Ulto - Pepsi Cola Somers NY
>>>>>>>> 171. Melissa Ulto - Freelance Productions, NY
>>>>>>>> 172. Grace M. Church - Warner Brothers/Space Jam, Los Angeles CA
>>>>>>>>"MANA-MANA
>>>>>>>>      DOOT DO DE DOOT!"
>>>>>>>> 173. James C. Sommers - Warner Borthers/Space Jam, Los Angeles CA
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 174. Lisa Furst- Warner Brothers/Space Jam, Los Angeles CA
>>>>>>>> 175. Jon Gunn - Warner Brothers/Space Jam, Los Angeles CA
>>>>>>>> 176. Patrick Fitch - Warner Brothers/Space Jam, Los Angeles CA
>>>>>>>> 177. Evan Fisher - Warner Brothers/Space Jam, Los Angeles CA
>>>>>>>> 178. Beth Tigay - Los Angeles CA
>>>>>>>> 179. Hillel Tigay - Los Angeles CA
>>>>>>>> 180. Dan O'Halloran - B.D. Fox/Los Angeles CA
>>>>>>>> 181. Laurie G. Osmond - ABC/Los Angeles, CA 182.
>>>>>>>> 182. Steven J. Davis - ABC/Los Angeles, CA 183.
>>>>>>>> 183. Jennifer M. Miles - ABC/Los Angeles, CA
>>>>>>>> 184. Vincent A. Malizia - Los Angeles, CA
>>>>>>>> 185. Chris R. Dunn - Los Angeles, CA
>>>>>>>> 186. Matthew Coppola - New York, New York
>>>>>>>> 187. Yolanda Sablo-Murray/New York, New York
>>>>>>>> 188. Yvette Jones-Gaines/ ABC/ New York
>>>>>>>> 189. Phyllis Carter/ABC News, New York
>>>>>>>> 190. Melody Finnegan - ABC News, New York
>>>>>>>> 191. Rita Ienco - ABC News, New York
>>>>>>>> 192. Henry Guglielmo - ABC News, New York
>>>>>>>> 193. Laureen Clarke- ABC News, New York
>>>>>>>> 194. John Pfersching-ABC Sports, New York
>>>>>>>> 195. Laura Prego-ABC Sports, New York
>>>>>>>> 196. Mike Webb-ABC Sports, New York - Big Bird Rules!!!!!!
>>>>>>>> 197. Lynn Cadden - ABC Sports, New York - I LOVE ELMO!!!!!
>>>>>>>> 198. Stefan Petrat - ABC News, New York
>>>>>>>> 199. Alison Panico - NTV International Corporation, New York
>>>>>>>> 200. TJ Magill - Derwent Information, Washington, DC
>>>>>>>> 201. Patty Gallagher - Derwent Information, Washington, DC
>>>>>>>> 202. Lesley Weller, cookie lover, Alexandria, VA
>>>>>>>> 203. Kathleen Rumfola, Bethesda, MD
>>>>>>>> 204. Tanja Gatz, Arlington, VA
>>>>>>>> 205. Lori Lefkowitz, Bethesda, MD
>>>>>>>> 206. Terri Monahan, Herndon, VA
>>>>>>>> 207. Marcia Call, Alexandria, VA
>>>>>>>> 208. Nancy Bauer, Alexandria, Va
>>>>>>>> 209. Joyce Eicholtz, for all you Henson fans, LA LA LAND
>>>>>>>> 210. Les Kumagai, Fan As A Child/Fan As a Parent, Redondo Beach,
>>>>>CA
>>>>>>>> 211. Lynne J. Williams, MCI,  Oakland, CA
>>>>>>>> 212. Elizabeth Gates, MCI, Pasadena, CA
>>>>>>>> 213. Diana Calderoni, MCI, Sherman Oaks, CA.
>>>>>>>> 214. Sheila Medley, MCI, Atlanta, GA
>>>>>>>> 215. Mary Noyes, Stackig Advertising & PR, McLean, VA
>>>>>>>> 216. Christy Strazzella, Stackig Advertising & PR, McLean, VA
>>>>>>>> 217. Sara Stein, poppe.com (Poppe Tyson) - New York, NY
>>>>>>>> 218. Alice Hines, poppe.com (Poppe Tyson - New York, NY
>>>>>>>> 219. Erik Hoffman, Klemtner Advertising, New York, NY
>>>>>>>> 220. Laura Horstman, St. Louis, MO
>>>>>>>> 221. Debra Kennard, saved by Super Grover, Chicago, IL
>>>>>>>> 222. Marian Powell, Chicago, IL There's a Cookie Monster in me.
>>>>>>>> 223. Audrey Collins, GE Capital, Chicago, Il
>>>>>>>> 224. Nancy Ropelewski, Washington, DC
>>>>>>>> 225. Lauren ("I can count to 20 thanks to Elmo") Williamson, age
>>>>>2
>>>>>>>> 225a. David Williamson (Lauren's daddy) San Mateo, CA
>>>>>>>> 226. Yonna Yapou, art historian, Reston VA
>>>>>>>> 227. Alfred Kromholz, management/software analyst, Reston VA
>>>>>>>> 228. Arthur M. (Art) Spanier, Ph.D. - Father of 4, New Orleans,
>>>>>LA
>>>>>>>> 229. Sharon Spanier Mother of 4 - Educator - New Orleans, LA
>>>>>>>> 230. Adam Spanier - LSU Medical School - New Orleans, LA
>>>>>>>> 231. Holly Spanier - H.S. Senior - Louisiana School for Math,
>>>>>>Science
>>>>>>>>&
>>>>>>>>      the Arts.  Natchitoches, LA
>>>>>>0>> 232. Rebecca Spanier - H.S. Freshman - "Save Ms. Piggy" - New
>>>>>>Orleans,
>>>>>>>>LA
>>>>>>>> 233. David Spanier - 4th Grader - Your signature counts, says the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Count"
>>>>>>>>      New Oleans, LA
>>>>>>>> 234. Edmund W. Stiles - Professor of Biology, Rutgers University,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Piscataway, NJ
>>>>>>>> 235. Boyd R. Strain - Professor of Botany, Duke University
>>>>>>>> 236. Kate Lajtha - Associate Professor, Oregon State University
>>>>>>>> 237. Tom Fisher - Professor, University of Maryland, CEES
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In his book "Utopia or Oblivion" (1969), R. Buckminster Fuller made the
case that there is enough for everybody, that the alternatives today are
abundance for all or survival for none. Bucky spent a lifetime documenting
how this abundance can be achieved through design science.

http://www.ccil.org/~dwat/

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Subject:      Re: Tensegrity coatrack plans
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bill paton (bpaton@inforamp.net.) wrote:
: In article <199611101333.HAA17695@fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com>, Andy Lewis

: Also, to clarify things, here are the 9 connections required. Each hole
: has 3 connections with other struts.

: CONNECTIONS:

: TOP (T)  BOTTOM (B)

: T1 to T2, T3, B3
: T2 to T3, B1
: T3 to B2
: B1 to B2, B3
: B2 to B3

Ah! It sounds like perhaps a tensegrity octahedron?

I recall years ago building tensegrity icosahedron models this way;

1) Build a paper cube of correct size...
2) Cut wooden dowells of correct length...                 ___|___
3) Attach dowells across center of faces of cube with tape. o[|]o
                                                           ~~~|~~~
4) String thread from end points of dowells, attach with map pins.
5) Collapse and remove the paper cube from center.

Of course I forget the correct relationship between the size of cube, and
length of dowells... someone with more patience and pythagoreean knowlege
can easily figure that out for you. (Perhaps that should be step 1?)

The coat rack sounds neat, perhaps for X-mass gifts... mmmm

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"A 20th Century Renaissance", Buckminster Fuller
Audio Forum, 1 cassette, 1 Hour.
Bucky explains it all in 60 minutes. Who would've thought? 10.95

Write to us at : BIG RADIO Audio Books, 37 Central Square, Lynn, MA 01901
Or call us at : 1 800 717-6888
Or by E Mail to : bigradio@shore.net

http://www1.shore.net/~bigradio/philo.htm

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North Carolina State University
Architectural Courseware Project / CATALOG 1 / slides 1 - 10

/ Climatron / St. Louis, Missouri / 1960 / Buckminster Fuller (1895- 1983)
with Murphy and Mackey / Early 20th Century Technological Innovation /
Technological / Slide 8 / picture             (146K jpeg, color,
excellent!)

http://www2.ncsu.edu/ncsu/design/pictures/large/PLZ.00008.JPG

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On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, Donald MacDonald-Ross wrote:

> I recall years ago building tensegrity icosahedron models this way;
>
> 1) Build a paper cube of correct size...
> 2) Cut wooden dowells of correct length...                 ___|___
> 3) Attach dowells across center of faces of cube with tape. o[|]o
>                                                            ~~~|~~~
> 4) String thread from end points of dowells, attach with map pins.
> 5) Collapse and remove the paper cube from center.
>
> Of course I forget the correct relationship between the size of cube, and
> length of dowells... someone with more patience and pythagoreean knowlege
> can easily figure that out for you. (Perhaps that should be step 1?)

The relationship between the dowel length and the cube side length
is the golden mean ( (1+sqrt(5))/2 = 1.618... ).
This is the same relationship between the side of
a pentagon and a chord between two non-adjacent vertexes.

By the way, I picked up a book years ago called:
Connections, The Geometric Bridge between Art and Science.
It was written by Jay Kappraff.  ISBN 0-07-034250-4.
Incredible book.  It touches on tensegrity structures
and has the tensegrity icosohedron you are speaking of
on page 311.

               -Mike McGary
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Buckminster Fuller (i vit kostym) stolt uppvisande sin egendesignade och
egenproducerade "Dymaxion" p Chicago World Fair, 1934.

Buckminster Fuller: "4-D" Auto-airplane (1928), flygande amfibiebil med
uppblsbara vingar.

Buckminster Fuller: "4-D" Transport (1932), aerodynamisk marktransport med
uppfllbar stjrtfena fr stabilitet i hga hastigheter.

Buckminster Fuller: Den frsta "Dymaxion"-biler, fotograferad utanfr
fabriken 12:e juli 1933.

Buckminster Fuller: "Dymaxion Tudor Sportster (1939)

Buckminster Fuller: "D-45" (1943) med utskjutbart bakhjul, tre motorer och
trehjulsstyrning.

http://www.stud.unit.no/studorg/a/Ades94sid/15.html

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STYROFOAM DOME BUBBLE LAMP

In NOMADIC FURNITURE by James Hennessey and Victor Papanek p111 (which is
an excellent book about how to make your own furniture) there are pictures
for making a hanging lamp using old styrofoam cups that resembles a
Geodesic dome. It is a shell surrounding a hanging bulb in the center. It
gives a very soft and beautiful light and it re-uses something we use
daily and throw out. (Bucky talked about how pollution was merely useful
products poorly distributed)

They were very popular in the 1970s and still have use today. To make them
you use styrofoam cups of any size, being consistent with the size. The
size of the cups will determine the size of the dome. Standard cups end up
being about 42" diameter. Using smaller or larger cups will vary the size.

It takes about 250 cups to build one. The best way to build it is with
regular white glue and use clothespegs to hold the lamp parts together
while drying. Start with one cup and keep adding, rather than building two
halves and fit them together. Obviously the bottom of the cup faces inward
so the slope allows for the outside edge. You will see how one cup
(circle) fits exactly 6 cups (circles) around it.

--
Bill Paton --Solutioneer
bpaton@inforamp.net
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Correct date is November 17, 1996

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> From: Joe S. Moore <joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com>
> To: GEODESIC LIST <GEODESIC@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
> Cc: SYNERGETICS LIST <synergetics-l@teleport.com>
> Subject: syn-l: WORLD POPULATION
> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 1996 3:58 PM
>
> "World Population Growth in Surprising Slowdown"
>
> "A new survey by the United Nations has found that the world's
population
> is growing almost everywhere more slowly than expected even a few years
> ago."
>
> "The study also found that the number of people added to the world each
> year has begun to fall sooner than anticipated."
>
> Article in the San Jose Mercury News, Nov. 11, 1996, page 11A.
> ============================
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> From: DeVarco@aol.com
> To: Synergetics-L@teleport.com
> Subject: syn-l: Accelerating Acceleration
> Date: Sunday, November 17, 1996 8:58 AM

(snip)

> I agree and I think it is one of the more provocative of his statements
in
> that section.  Although throughout all of his writings and talks, BF
often
> invoked the Navy experience as a foundation of his thought and of his
> perspective shift, you do not see such strong differentiation between
the two
> perceptions of the world (water based and land based) in many of his
> published books.  Three exceptions would be his writing on Naga which is
> sparse except for the impressive and unpublished almost drawer full of
> manuscripts surrounding the book-in-progress he has in the archives, his
> unpublished manuscript from 1942 I think called "The Ballistics of
> Civilization" and my favorite 1944 essay, "Fluid Geography" published in
> Neptune Magazine (xeroxes of this piece are circulated by BFI as an
inclusion
> to the Dymaxion Map Info Packet - you have probably already seen and
read it).
(American Neptune, April 1944, pages 119-36)

> I have long felt this essay to be one of the most brashly poetic pieces
BF
> has written about shifting from a static to a dynamic view of the
Universe.
>  It also foreshadows his way of viewing our planet as "Spaceship Earth"
even
> though it was written seven years before he coined the phrase.  Fuller's
use
> of naval and water analogies permeate this piece as well as give them a
> mooring, because they are radial and relational, dynamic and processual.
 It
> was in this essay that he approached the subject of the speed of change
and
> invited us "landlubbers" to enhance our relationship to movement and to
build
> momentum by learning from the perceptual gifts of the sailorman.  It is
bold
> and brash and filled with engineering metaphors and brusque references,
such
> as mother nature as "that dame."
>
> Written as an explanation of the importance of his newly patented map, a
> device for which he states: "The mathematics will be found to be as neat
and
> stark as the buckets within a turbine casing," and which he boasts "is
the
> joint result of a new mathematical discovery on the one hand and on the
other
> of emancipation from the formal cartographic tyranny traditionally
imposed by
> the Poles."
>
> In his explanation of the generic difference between a "sailorman and a
> landlubber" he underscores the sailor's uniquely dynamic perspective in
order
> to deal "directly and daily with the mechanics of the stars" and his
reliance
> on "scientific imagining":
>
> "Without thinking of themselves as cosmogonists,
> sailors naturally develop a spontaneous cosmic
> viewpoint.  They view the world from the outside;
> they 'come upon the land...  "The ceaseless universal
> motion of the sailorman's life persists in his brain
> even when he's landed 'on the beach' ...  "He sees
> everything in motion from the slopping of the coffee
> in the pot to the perigrinations of the major magnitude
> stars.  Amongst all of these relative motions, the pole
> star alone seems to float motionless as the world's  mooring."
("Fluid Geography", pages 1 & 2)

> Bucky discusses that the difference between the land and sea is in the
slow
> or speedy articulation of the physical laws:
>
> "The landsman stables the horse, garages the car, or
> merely walks into his house and sits down.  Inertia,
> unchallenged, promotes careless philosophy.  Everyday
> the seafarer is exposed to three times the necessitous
> experience, for even when off watch he is still in a
> dynamic environment.  Moreover, the mutability of the
> liquid state and the proportions of tonnage and velocity
> to which a sailor is continuously exposed are many times
> those encountered on the land.  Thus by compounding of
> factors, technology advances far more rapidly at sea."
("Fluid Geography", page 3.)

> Then he applies this naval understanding to airmanship at a time when
> aeronautical engineering was still really in its infancy, extending a
> prognostication that sailors, aviators and landsmen were "all
crossbreeding
> into a dynamic world citizenry":
>
> "...and with historical events accellerated from a
> frequency interval of centuries to intervals of hours,
> all men are, so to speak, now in the same boat and
> are necessitious among other items of a precise means
> for seeing the world from the dynamic, cosmic, and
> comprehensive viewpoint."
("Fluid Geography", page 3)

> And Bucky finally captures in a beautiful example of the tides and the
moon,
> the most intuitive rendering of the difference between this dynamic and
> static understanding of the world and offers shades of Spaceship Earth:
>
> "To the static-minded landsman, it is an insensible
> statistic that the moon is about 239,000 miles away
> from the earth.  To the sailorman, it is a natural
> sensation that the moon-earth pull is so great as twice
> daily to be able to lift many feet aloft the thunderous
> tonnages of water upon which he sails.  By measured
> reasoning he 'sees' the moon lifting the water as it circles
> after its rotating and orbiting mothership Earth.  So fast is
> the orbiting that the sailor knows it is difficult to obtain
> an accurate navigational sight from the moon.  However
> to the static landsman, that moon seems to hang motionless
> as a luminous flat medallion in the periodically glimpsed
> scene."
("Fluid Geography", page 2)

(snip)

> Yes!  You have hit it right on the mark.  Bucky did embrace cyberspace
writ
> large in his understanding of computers.  I also felt that (during my
> research for the World Game quotes) it all came together in relationship
to
> that great strategic game.  But yes, you can see how he was talking
about
> cyberspace and the linkages in all of his discussions of computers and
> computer capability going as far back as the 20s.  It goes right back to
> those earliest quotes from "Lightful Products" essay and the "Conning
Tower"
> piece from Shelter Magazine.
("Conning Tower", November 1932, 2 pages)

> I think computers are especially relevant in Fuller's understanding of
> "dynamic artifacts" although I do not think he ever used the term.  In
your
> response to Baker's essay on card catalogues you mention that they "were
> hated for many reasons, not least because they were "frozen" and "out of
> date."
>
> I think we can all agree that databases and search engines and the web
> itself, with their endless mutability and accellerated curve of change
are
> dynamic - perhaps embodying the best of what Donald A. Norman (whose
books
> "Machines that Make Us Smart" and others look at the human side of
interface
> design) calls "conceptual artifacts."
>
> Bucky was a master of the dynamic artifact.  And a dynamic artifact is a
> living, changing set of relationships defined by the intersection
between
> humans and their tools.  It is more than a tool, it is a set of tools.
And
> dynamic artifact is only what it is in relation to the patterns of human
use
> around it.  It is mobile and mutable and ephemeral.  I think in respect
to
> the dynamic artifact, BF's notions of technology were humanistic, above
and
> beyond the understanding that Nature is technology.  Somehow I wanted to
open
> up just such a topic with my analogy of his dwelling machine being to a
house
> what a search engine was to a card catalog but did not know quite where
to
> start.
>
> Just as Bucky's understanding of the computer was not simply as a piece
of
> technology but rather as the relationship between a fully operating
> computerized global network of humans, he was seeing it as a dynamic
rather
> than static thing.  As a scenario rather than an object.  He defines it
by
> its use, not by its physical characteristics.  Even way back in Fluid
> Geography (again), while looking at migration patterns, BF makes such a
> distinction between the static and the dynamic artifact as he compares
the
> difference between looking at land based-artifactual ruins and looking
at
> present day nautical technologies that still bear resemblance to their
> ancient origins:
>
> "In marked contrast to the fragmentary character of
> man's land-evolved mechanics, dug up only from ruins,
> every one of the boats and sailing types evolved
> throughout these earliest historical motions of man
> are still in use and may be found in operation today
> under the same rules of technologic logic and thinking
> as characterized by their slow invention in the very
> same environment and part of the world where they  were created."
("Fluid Geography", page 9)

> As Bucky explains the virtues of the many reconfigurations that are
possible
> in his AirOcean Projection, BF calls each one a "picture psychology."
To BF
> everything is an artifact, from his shelter systems to this cartographic
> tool, a dynamic, strategic device for shifting and sharpening one's
> perception of change, for navigating through the world's trends,
locating
> problem areas and testing solutions.
>
> "The sailorman, alert to currents, can see the flows
> of history as the static historian fails utterly to do.
> He sees how some people have turned adversities
> into technical advantages, how they have gradually
> reduced their limitations to their elected motions and
>  how they have in fact accellerated their movements."
("Fluid Geography", page 6)

> Best!  Bonnie
(former BFI archivist)
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 Here's a little information on geodesic domes for those of you
interested.
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<h1><img src="ticons08.gif" alt="icon" align=bottom width=50 height=60> Good
Karma</h1>

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<table width=100%>

<tr><td valign=top width=257><img src="Tshlt10a.gif" align=bottom width=257
height=276></td><td valign=top><p>Good Karma Enterprises has had 25 years of
experience

in building geodesic domes. The basic structure is Icosa

Hedron, a hub and bolt system. Available are 3,4, and 5

Frequency domes and elliptical domes. The domes range

from 10 ft to 100 ft in diameter. The domes range from

10 ft to 100 ft in diameter, and are either do-it-yourself

kits or custom on-site construction. </p>

<p><strong>Good Karma Enterprises</strong> </p>

<blockquote>

<p>Mr. James Lynch<br>

6802 NW 16th Street (Suite 21G)<br>

Oklahoma City, OK 73106<br>

(405) 789-8291</p>

</blockquote>

</td></tr>

<tr><td colspan=2><blockquote>

<p>Let me be blunt, contractor's are building houses the way they did 2,000

years ago. Squares are not structurally sound. That's why they put that big

triangle on top (roof), then the roof weighs so much you have to put all these

walls under it for support. A huge waste of material and labor that you end

up paying for. In conventional housing the roof area is wasted space. They

won't stand up to hurricanes, tornadoes or even earthquakes with any fair

comparison to the geodesic dome. The sphere is one of the strongest

structures known to man, enclosing the most amount of area with the least

amount of material. A mathematical maxim, nature builds round. The sphere

is the most wind resistant structure. Air also circulates naturally in a round

structure so it costs less to heat and cool. Energy efficient.</p>

</blockquote>

<blockquote>

<blockquote>

<p>James Lynch, President<br>

<strong>Good Karma Enterprises</strong><br>

</p>

</blockquote>

</blockquote>

<p>Note: Prices quoted below are 1996 prices. </p>

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<table width=100%>

<tr><td colspan=2 width=100%><font color="#0000FF"><font size=4><strong>Fair
Play Series</strong></font></font><hr>

</td></tr>

<tr><td width=50%>We try to customize our domes as much as possible. If you
want to cut out and build your

own dome, I will furnish a list of materials and details of how many struts
with length and

angles, along with a diagram for erection. I would advise this only for a
professional

carpenter to construct. </td></tr>

</table>

<p></p>

<table width=650>

<tr><td width=90%>3 frequency, any size to 30 ft. diameter</td><td align=right
width=10%>$500</td></tr>

<tr><td width=90%>4 frequency, any size to 50 ft. diameter</td><td align=right
width=10%>$750</td></tr>

<tr><td width=90%>5 frequency, any size to 60 ft. diameter</td><td align=right
width=10%>$1,000</td></tr>

</table>

<p></p>

<table width=100%>

<tr><td colspan=2 width=100%><font color="#0000FF"><font
size=4><strong>Whirlaway Series</strong></font></font><hr>

</td></tr>

<tr><td width=50%>Dome kit consists of struts cut to length with axial angle
dehidrial angles and heavy duty

hub.</td></tr>

</table>

<p></p>

<table width=650>

<tr><td valign=top>*</td><td width=90%>4 freq. hemisphere, 2x6 strut, up to 40
ft. dia. <br>

1256 sq. ft. - 2000 sq. ft. with loft (loft not included)</td><td align=right
width=10%>$4,200</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top>*</td><td width=90%>5/8 4 freq. 2x6 strut, up to 40 ft. dia.
26 ft. ceiling</td><td align=right width=10%>$4,800</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top>*</td><td width=90%>4 freq. 2x8 strut, up to 40 ft. dia.
</td><td align=right width=10%>$5,400</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top>*</td><td width=90%>5/8 4 freq. 2x8 strut, up to 40 ft. dia.
26 ft ceiling.</td><td align=right width=10%>$6,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top>*</td><td width=90%>5 freq. hemisphere, 2x6 strut, up to 40
ft dia.</td><td align=right width=10%>$5,400</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top>*</td><td width=90%>5/8 freq. 2x6 strut, up to 40 ft.
dia.</td><td align=right width=10%>$6,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top>*</td><td width=90%>50 ft dia. 1890 sq. ft. with 1.2 loft
2840 sq. ft.</td><td align=right width=10%></td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top>*</td><td width=90%>5 freq. hemisphere, 2/6 strut, up to 50
ft. dia. </td><td align=right width=10%>$6,800</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top>*</td><td width=90%>5/8 freq. 2x6 strut, up to 50 ft dia.,
30 ft. ceiling</td><td align=right width=10%>$7,400</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top>*</td><td width=90%>5 freq. hemisphere, 2x8 strut up to 50
ft. dia.</td><td align=right width=10%>$8,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top>*</td><td width=90%>5/8 freq. 2x8 strut, up to 50 ft. dia.,
30 ft. ceiling</td><td align=right width=10%>$8,400</td></tr>

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<p></p>

<table width=100%>

<tr><td colspan=2 width=100%><font color="#0000FF"><font
size=4><strong>Man-O-War Series</strong></font></font><hr>

</td></tr>

<tr><td width=50%>Our most complete Dome Kit is called the Man-O-War series,
after the great race horse

man-O-War. It incorporates the strongest method of building a dome. Using
double struts

and no hubs. It is also the easiest to erect. Panels are already insulated with
2 1/2 inches of

foam (approximate R value=30). The exterior sheeting, 1/2 inch plywood, is in
place, as is

the interior sheetrock. All that is required for the come is: shingles, stucco
or your choice

of weather proofing.</td></tr>

</table>

<p></p>

<table width=650>

<tr><td valign=top width=10>*</td><td width=90%>4 freq. hemisphere, 2x6 strut,
up to 40 ft. dia. 1256 sq. ft. - 2000 sq. ft.

with loft (loft not included)</td><td align=right width=10%>$12,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top width=10>*</td><td width=90%>5/8 4 freq. 2x6 strut, up to 40
ft. dia. 26 ft. ceiling</td><td align=right width=10%>$14,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top width=10>*</td><td width=90%>4 freq. 2x8 strut, up to 40 ft.
dia. </td><td align=right width=10%>$14,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top width=10>*</td><td width=90%>5/8 4 freq. 2x8 strut, up to 40
ft. dia. 26 ft ceiling.</td><td align=right width=10%>$16,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top width=10>*</td><td width=90%>5 freq. hemisphere, 2x6 strut,
up to 40 ft dia.</td><td align=right width=10%>$16,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top width=10>*</td><td width=90%>5/8 freq. 2x6 strut, up to 40
ft. dia.</td><td align=right width=10%>$18,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top width=10>*</td><td width=90%>50 ft dia. 1890 sq. ft. with
1.2 loft 2840 sq. ft.</td><td align=right width=10%></td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top width=10>*</td><td width=90%>5 freq. hemisphere, 2/6 strut,
up to 50 ft. dia. </td><td align=right width=10%>$22,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top width=10>*</td><td width=90%>5/8 freq. 2x6 strut, up to 50
ft dia., 30 ft. ceiling</td><td align=right width=10%>$24,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top width=10>*</td><td width=90%>5 freq. hemisphere, 2x8 strut
up to 50 ft. dia.</td><td align=right width=10%>$28,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top width=10>*</td><td width=90%>5/8 freq. 2x8 strut, up to 50
ft. dia., 30 ft. ceiling</td><td align=right width=10%>$30,000</td></tr>

<tr><td valign=top width=10>*</td><td>60 ft. dia. 5 freq. start at 2826 sq. ft.
first floor, 2826 sq. ft. second floor

(5852 total square footage)</td><td align=right>$28,000</td></tr>

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"World Population Growth in Surprising Slowdown"

"A new survey by the United Nations has found that the world's population
is growing almost everywhere more slowly than expected even a few years
ago."

"The study also found that the number of people added to the world each
year has begun to fall sooner than anticipated."

Article in the San Jose Mercury News, Nov. 11, 1996, page 11A.
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What is the web address for Good Karma domes?

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> From: DeVarco@aol.com
> To: synergetics-l@teleport.com
> Cc: llorance@email.gc.cuny.edu
> Subject: syn-l: Re: _LIGHTFUL HOUSING_ QUOTE
> Date: Wednesday, November 20, 1996 11:20 AM
>
> Dear Loretta,
>
> I remember our couple conversations and I am quite excited about your
work.
>  During my years at BFI, I was priveleged to assist a large number of
> researchers.  I am no longer there.  We only found the Lightful Housing
> document about two years ago.  It was never shown to anyone or referred
to by
> Bucky ever.  It is unpublished.  But for various projects there are a
number
> of people who have copies (Ed, Kiyoshi, Kirby I think, YC Wong whose
> dissertation should be out soon, Joachim Krausse who with Claude
Lichtenstein
> are working on the most comprehensive exhibit on the evolution of
Bucky's
> work to debut in Europe in "98 and Jay Baldwin.
>
> The archives is owned by Allegra.  I would never circulate my copy
without
> express permission and I do not feel it is my place.  I feel like the
best
> approach would be to wait until you are in the archives and I would most
> pleased to assist you in navigating because I learned a lot about it and
at
> this point there is nobody there who knows where everything is.  I
archivally
> prepared most of the early materials in acid-free boxes with easy
indexing so
> they should be very accessible to you.   Please refer also to my paper,
> "Life, Facts & Artifacts on the archive at http://www.wnet.org/  click
on the
> dome and go into the Guinea Pig B section. Allegra also has an excellent
> essay, "Experience and Experiencing in that same section.  YC Wong would
be
> extrememly helpful to you but he is quite busy teaching classes on the
> History of Architecture at the University of Singapore.  But perhaps his
> dissertation is almost complete.  There is no one except Joachim who
knows
> that perioed better than YC.  Also, if you want to email me about any
> questions before you go, I would most pleased to assist you.
>
> My best to you!
>
> Bonnie
>
> >Dear Bonnie,
>
> >I think we've corresponded when you were at the BFI. And, I hope I'm
not
> >being too forward in asking if it would it be possible for me to obtain
a
> >copy of the document on lightful housing from you. Or, could  you tell
me
> >where in the archives I could find the original.
>
> >I'm writing my dissertation on the development of the 4D house and am
> >planning to visit the BFI in January.
>
> >Thanks.
>
> >L.
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Can you attach a drawing to your email, or use ASCII art to illustrate
your idea?

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> From: tom aagdii <aagdii@dds.nl>
> To: Joe S. Moore <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
> Cc: GEODESIC@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
> Subject: Re: FLUID GEOGRAPHY QUOTES
> Date: Thursday, November 21, 1996 5:40 AM
>
>   about fluid geography:
> >
> > > I have long felt this essay to be one of the most brashly poetic
pieces
> > BF
> > > has written about shifting from a static to a dynamic view of the
> > Universe.
>
>     Not all sailors feel dynamic when they  on the land. We will
>     learn it as we go on; the learning process in the ship is
>     dynamic; you read, get instruction between activities while
>     you tending to sail, engine, or clearning the board.
>
>  Written as an explanation of the importance of his newly patented map,
a
> > > device for which he states: "The mathematics will be found to be as
neat
>
>   I sent a description on how to draw a F.map, for the first time
>   you can draw the world map from memory in multidirection.
>   But no one comment on this; i wonder if it was not important.
>
>   Does an idea have to be uttered from the mouth of Fuller to
>   be important, he did not know everything; we have to avoid
>   making him the thinker.
>
>   By drawing it a lot of concepts will arise, and a lot of connections
>   as time go on; no one even noticed.
>
>   tagdi
> .-
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Subject:      BUSCH GARDENS AVIARY DOME
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S * P * I * R * O   Query Results
(U of Calif-Berkeley Architecture Slide Library)
<Black & White 5K Picture>

Call Number
tW1 +B4 Av80-2

Object Name
Busch Gardens Aviary

Location
Tampa, Florida

Period
20th Century

Start Date
unknown or not applicable

End Date
unknown or not applicable

Personal/Group Name -- Role
__

Source
Hancocks, David
Animals and architecture
New York, Praeger Publishers, 1971
p.170
(BOOK)
http://nardac.mip.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/spiro_detail?94/134/94-134-006
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GIF anim (288K) by Ralf Hller

Osannstrasse 36
64285 Darmstadt
Germany
Phone: +49.6151.43658
Fax:      +49.6151.43658

http://www.uni-stuttgart.de/UNIuser/lftinfo/start.html

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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:08:44 -0800
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Subject:      AFFORDABLE HOUSING DESIGN
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The Farm
Summertown, Tennessee, USA

Ecovillage Training Center

Please send details of your "Affordable Housing
Design" classes:

"Everything about creating indoor space from the inventor of Econ-O-Dome.
One day of this workshop will be building a 40-foot hubless geodesic dome.
Wilford Fiderof
$250"

Thank you.
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Subject:      Question

Hi

I wonder if the north and south pool are moving with respect to eatchother
?.
Plesae help me to figure out this problem.

Bengt-Olof Drugge
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> From: tom aagdii <aagdii@dds.nl>
> To: Joe S. Moore <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
> Cc: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> Subject: Re: FLUID GEOGRAPHY QUOTES
> Date: Thursday, November 21, 1996 12:50 PM
>
> > Can you attach a drawing to your email, or use ASCII art to illustrate
> > your idea?
>
>     i don't think the one i am using  can recieve or send drawings

                                                 /\                   How
about using
                                              /      \                the
symbols on
                                           /            \             your
keyboard?
                                        /--------------\           (It's
tedius, I know)

It's called ASCII art.

>        Some loose explanation: the usual layout puts africa facing
>        to your left-hand. That triangle is 2 frequency, next to it.

>          -------
>           a  b  c         d    e
>
>        1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 1/2
>          --------     -------
>          2 3 4 is the base of a f2 triangle, abc also 2f triangle which
is
>         inverse to 234 and crossing it.
>          5 is triangle by itself, and 678 another 2f triangle, 9 is
triangle
>          topped by e, then comes the 1/2 of the triangle.
>
>          if you draw whatever part of a continent and describe it
>           to yourself in whatever triangle, you will see more of
>           it that you can remember.
>
>           Africa is in a b c, with the tip facing the vertex in a.
>          You should have the map to see it.

Are you using some kind of labeling system to identify
each of the 20 triangles of the icosahedron?
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Jonathan,

In the "To:" line put      listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

Leave "Subject" line blank

In the body of message at the left margin put:

subscribe geodesic yourfirstname yourlastname


This should work; if not, let me know.

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Date: Thursday, November 21, 1996 7:56 PM

coolbear@earthlink.net
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> From: loretta lorance <llorance@email.gc.cuny.edu>
> To: Joe S. Moore <joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com>
> Subject: Re: _LIGHTFUL HOUSING_ QUOTE
> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 1996 8:43 AM

> development of the 4D house. If you have any obscure references or

(See "4D" extract from the Bucky Fuller Master Index below.  For the
complete index available by FTP see:

                ftp://cpp.critpath.org/pub/Fuller/Index/

The BFMI is a compilation of published indexes only; it does not include
any unindexed materials.)

> Also, the 10 vol. of microfilm at the NY Public Library are copies of
> newspaper articles, references to RBF in the press. They are not copies
of
> the chronofile. As soon as I finish reading my present bibliography,
I'll

You're right.  In the U of Toronto Graduate article (12-67) he says
"published items".

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4D.....................................................................Dyma
xion World,   page   018.00
.....Company...................................................BF's
Universe,        page   129.00
.........Formation
of.........................................BFAtHomeInUniv,  page   103.00
.....Dymaxion House....................................BFAtHomeInUniv,
pages  097-98
...........................................................................
...............................................101-03
...........................................................................
..................................illus     102.00
...........................................................................
..................................pages  108-09
...........................................................................
................................................117.00
...........................................................................
...............................................173.00
..........................................................................D
ymaxion World,    pages  018-21
...........................................................................
............................................... 057-58
..........And Shelter Utility Companies........Dymaxion World,   page
020.00
..........Cost........................................................Dymax
ion World,   pages  019-20
..........Design as Implement.........................Dymaxion World,
page    019.00
..........MacLeish's Defense of......................Dymaxion World,
pages  020-21
..........Patents Offered to Am.Inst.of Arch.Dymaxion World,   page
020.00
..........Scale Model
of.....................................BFAtHomeInUniv,  page   104.00
..........Special Features.................................Dymaxion World,
  pages  018-19
..........Standards for Materials.....................Dymaxion World,
pages  021-22
..........See: DYMAXION HOUSE
....House......................................................... BF's
Universe,        pages  121-22
...........................................................................
................................................126-32
....Monograph................................................ Critical
Path,           page    135.00
...........................................................................
Grunch of Giants,  page      xv.00
....Multi-Story Building
........Alternate Forms of.................................Dymaxion World,
  fig       029.00
........Cutaway View of....................................Dymaxion World,
  fig       031.00
....... Triangulated Tension Network..........Dymaxion World,   figs
034-39
....Office Building
........100-Deck..................................................Dymaxion
World,   fig       026.00
........Twin Tower.............................................Dymaxion
World,   fig       030.00
....Omni-Directional Transport....................Dymaxion World,   fig
   029.00
....Time Lock (Book by RBF).......................BFAtHomeInUniv, page
103.00
...........................................................................
BF's Universe,       page  130.00
...........................................................................
Critical Path,           page  137.00
...........................................................................
Dymaxion World,  page   018.00
....Tower Apartment House, Advantages
........10-Deck....................................................Dymaxion
World,   figs     016-17
........12-Deck....................................................Dymaxion
World,   fig       021.00
.......Compared to Regular 6-Rm House  Dymaxion World,   fig       032.00
........Interior.....................................................
Dymaxion World,   fig       031.00
....Tower Garage...........................................  Dymaxion
World,   fig       033.00
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> From: DeVarco@aol.com
> To: synergetics-l@teleport.com
> Subject: syn-l: Buckyballs & Silicon
> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 1996 2:39 PM
>
> A gift to danu and gerald and tom and kirby and brian:
>
> This just entered my sphere from:
> NEW YORK TIMES, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 1996
>
> "Scientists in Switzerland have invented an ultraminiature abacus, in
which
> spherical carbon molecules sliding along microscopic copper grooves act
as
> the counting beads for perfomring arithmetic calculations.
>
> "The invention, announced last week by the I.B.M. Zurich Research
Laboratory
> in Switzerland, is not likely to replace conventional
electroniccomputing
> systems anytime soon;  Dr. James M. Gimzewski, a member of the group
that
> built the molecular abacus, described its ungainly operation oas
comparable
> to using the Eiffel Tower to move around the beads of an ordinary
abacus.
>  But I.B.M> and other companies specializing in high-speed computation
> constantly explore the limits of nanotechnology -- the fabrication of
devices
> little larger than single molecules -- as the means of making better
> computers.
>
> "The creation of the molecular abacus was a tour de force of
miniaturization.
>  The "beads" it uses to make simple calculations are "buckyballs,"
molecules
> shaped like soccer balls, each assembled from 60 carbon atoms.
Buckyballs,
> named for the architect R. Buckminster Fuller, whose geodesic domes they
> resemble, were discovered 11 yers ago at Rice University in Houston.
Dr.
> Richard E. Smalley, Dr. Robert F. Curl Jr. and Dr. Harold W. Kroto
shared the
> Nobel Prize in chemistry last month for their discovery.
>
> "The IBM group in Zurich created a framework for the abacus by etching a
fine
> washboard texture on a sheet of copper, each ridge of which is only
about the
> height of a single atom.  Each groove, like the gutter of a bowling
alley,
> can accommodate any number of balls, and the balls are manipulated by
the tip
> of a device called a scanning tunneling microscope.  (The invention of
this
> microscope by the same IBM laboratory was honored by the Nobel physics
prize
> in 1986, shared by Dr. Gerd Binnig and Dr. Heinrich Rohrer.)
>
> "Although the molecular abacus is not yet a practical computing device,
Dr.
> Gimzewski and his colleagues, Dr. M.T. Cuberes and Dr R. R. Schittler,
said
> its speed and utility would greatly improve.  Its advantage, they say,
is
> that thousands of buckyballs can be lined up along a groove only as wide
as a
> typical device on a conventional chip.  The speed of the abacus's
operation
> could be greatly increased by using many microcope probes instead of
just
> one, they reported in the journal Applied Physics Letters."
>
> "The Rice University laboratory where buckyballs were discovered
meanwhile,
> has devised a new kind of probe for the atomic force microscope, which
is
> similar in many respects to the scanning tunneling microscope.  The Rice
> group replaced the whisker generally used in such microscopes with an
> ultrathin carbon molecule similar in structure to buckyballs
>
> "The conventional probe used in an atomic force microscope is a shard of
> diamond, usually sharpened at the tipto a thickness of only a few atoms,
and
> a system for scanning the tip barely above the surface of a sample.
When the
> probe and the sample are close enough clouds of atoms in the sample
repel the
> cloud of electrons surrounding the atooms at the probe tip, and the
repulsive
> force, which varies with the peaks and troughs on the sample surface, is
> translated by computer into an image of the surface so fine that it
reveals
> the shapes and positions of individual molecules.
>
> "The scanning tunneling microscope, a close relative of the atomic force
> microscope, can be used to manipulate as well as make images of
individual
> atoms and molecules.  But the distances involved are minute, and the
> slightest error in moving the probe tip along just above the atomic
hills and
> valleys of a smooth surface can result in an accidental "crash," in
which the
> tip is broken and the experiment ruined.
>
> "Dr. Smalley's group reported in the current issue of the journal
Nature,
> however, that carbon "nanotubes," microscopic tubes that are actually
long
> molecules of carbon atoms arrayed in a nested cylindrical chicken-wire
> pattern, are far more resilient than the metal whiskers usually used as
> probes in the scanning tunneling microscope.  If a nanotube accidently
comes
> into contact with the surface of a sample, it does not break but merely
bends
> and snaps back when the tip is withdrawn from the sample.
>
> "The Rice group prepares carbon nanotubes as tangled bundles of very
thin
> hollow fibers simply by passing a strong electric current between carbon
> electrodes and allowing the resulting carbon vapor to condense under
> controlled conditions.
>
> "One nanotube fiber separated from the bundle is then touched by a tiny
dot
> of glue at the end of the silicon scanning arm of an atomic force
microscope
> and serves as the instruments.
>
> "An advantage of carbon nanotubes over conventional probes, the Rice
group
> said, is that flexible carbon molecules can probe much more deeply into
> surface features, revealing greater detail.  The scientists are
developing a
> variation of the probe using single walled carbon nanotubes capped at
the
> ends with buckyball hemispheres.  Single-walled tubes will be able to
heal
> minor damage to themselves, Dr. Smalley said."
> [New York Times, Tuesday,  November 19, 1996 Science Section]
>
>
> One nanotube fiber touched by a tiny dot silicon glue...
>
> This kissing cousin of carbon
>
> When carbon and silicon unite.
>
> A buckyball lens
>
> that is self-regenerating
>
> Media tertia
>
> Tertia media
>
> Bonnie
> .-
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To All:

Those who were planning on attending the dome raising in Ostrander, OH
(near Columbus) need to be alerted that it has been postponed at the
last minute.

The dome raising supervisor felt that there were too many things that
need to be done before the raising on Saturday to get the whole dome up
that weekend.  He felt that they could start it on Sunday, but wanted to
put it off until next weekend to make sure they had the time to get the
work done and also to allow people to attend the full raising.

Hope that this catches you before you hit the road!  If not, I hope that
you get a chance to view the dome panels and see some of the process,
but don't bug our workers too much, they've got some work ahead of them.
--
Thanks,

Nathan Burke,
Oregon Dome, Inc.

E-mail:  oregon@domes.com
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> Can you attach a drawing to your email, or use ASCII art to illustrate
> your idea?

    i don't think the one i am using  can recieve or send drawings
>
> >
> >     Not all sailors feel dynamic when they are on the land. We will
> >     learn dynmicism as we move; the learning process in the a ship as
> >     dynamic manuvering;  reading, getting instruction between activities
>       such tending to the sail, engine repering, or clearning the board.
 > >

> >   I sent a description on how to draw a F.map, for the first time
> >   you can draw the world map from memory in multidirection.
> >   But no one comment on this; i wonder if it was not important.
> >
> >   Does an idea have to be uttered from the mouth of Fuller to
> >   be important, he did not know everything; we have to avoid
> >   making him the thinker.
> >
> >   By drawing it a lot of concepts will arise, and a lot of connections
> >   as time go on; no one even noticed.
> >
> >   tagdi
> > .-
>
       some lose explanation: the usual lay out puts africa facing
       to your left-hand. that tringle is 2 frequency, next to it

         -------
          a  b  c         d    e


       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 1/2
         --------     -------

         2 3 4 is the base of f2 tringle, abc alos 2f tringle which is
        inverse to 234 and crossing it.
         5 is tringle by itself, and 678 another 2f tringle, 9 is tringle
         toped by e, then comes the 1/2 of the tringle.

         if you draw what ever part of a continent and describe it
          to yourself in whatever tringle, you will see more of
          it that you can remember.

          afric is in a b c, with the tip facing the vertex in a.
         you should have the map to see it.


         tagdi
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"The group of engineers in charge of designing the mechanical structures
of NEC products is the Engineering Design Sub-committee. The engineers are
at present busily engaged in their design work, while making great efforts
to reduce costs, cut down design schedule, and localize the design work at
production plants."

"Under these circumstances, Mr. Masashi Tani, Chairman of Engineering
Design Sub-committee, has been taking initiatives to cultivate original
ideas and intuitive creativity that will open doors to the manufacture of
new products. He is, in fact, looking at mechanical structures and a
corporate structure or organization suited best for creating new products.
Introduced here are some of the experiments being carried out in the
Engineering Design Sub-committee in the search for new structural
designs."

"Looking for new structural designs"

"The Engineering Design Sub-committee has provided special workshops in
which engineers, designers and artists, who have the different stuff of
creation in them, can try to create things together with their hands. At
the "Structure and Stability" workshop<Picture> (JPEG size: 15803byte)
provided for members to experience Buckminster's ideas and his way of
making things, for instance, the members meditated on ways of making
things while making a model of Jitterbug."

http://info.nec.co.jp/english/today/corpcomm/c_and_c/kai01/images/V24.jpg

For further information on the Engineering Design Sub-committee, have
access to the BHT54088@pcvan.nec.co.jp.
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  about flued geography:
>
> > I have long felt this essay to be one of the most brashly poetic pieces
> BF
> > has written about shifting from a static to a dynamic view of the
> Universe.


    not all sailers feel dynamic when they  on the land. we will
    learn it as we go on, the learning process in the ship is
    dynamic, you read, get instruction between activities while
    you tending to sail, engin, or clearning the board.


 Written as an explanation of the importance of his newly patented map, a
> > device for which he states: "The mathematics will be found to be as neat


  i sent a description on how to draw a F.map, for the first time
  you can draw the world map from memory in multidirection.
  but no one comment on this, i wonder if it was not important.

  does an idea have to be uttered from the mouth of Fuller to
  be important, he did not know everything; we have to avoid
  making him the thinker.

  by drwing it alot of concepts will arise, and alot of connections
  as time go on, no one even noticed.

  tagdi
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Subject:      Re: Styrofoam Dome Bubble Lamp

>     In NOMADIC FURNITURE by...
>     ...You will see how one cup
>     (circle) fits exactly 6 cups (circles) around it.

And when you're done with your lamp, you can make an
equivalent faceted polyhedra from a pile of regular
hexagons...   : )

Building such lamps (which I do like a lot) and
paying attention to the tiling pattern of adjacent circular
cups would indeed be an instructive lesson in geometry.

Actually, you can begin to build regular polyhedra with
only regular hexagonal faces - You'll just never
finish the model!  But that's another story...

C.E.Peck
**Author of A TAXONOMY OF FUNDAMENTAL POLYHEDRA
AND TESSELLATIONS**
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"In 1974, Dr. M. King Hubbert predicted that world petroleum output would
peak around 1995. Based on refinements in available data (oil resources in
virtually the entire world have now been charted), a recent study prepared
by Dr. Colin J. Campbell on behalf of PetroConsultants concluded that
world petroleum OUTPUTWILLPEAK around 1999, and will decline rapidly
thereafter. This graph <pic>, the well known "Hubbert Curve," as revised
by Dr. Campbell and based on 1,750 Gb (Giga = Billion barrels) of Ultimate
oil recovery, depicts the inevitable "Hubbert Peak" with possible
scenarios of future oil availability as reserves of cheap, pumpable oil
decline in the coming years."

http://www.ecotopia.com/hubbert/index.html

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To all:

Bowing to immense public pressure, the plans area of our web site has
been changed to include readily (depending on bandwidth and modem speed)
available gif's of a few of our plans.  The URL is:
http://www.domes.com/plans.html

OK, so it wasn't really immense public pressure, just the occasional
problem with the .tif files not being read by certain viewers.  The
plans are, at any rate, easier to view.  Keep in mind, that there are
literally hundreds of stock plans in our library and that these plans
are just a sample of what is out there.

To all of those who prompted the change, thanks for the suggestions and
ideas.  I'm sorry it took so long, it just seemed that there were a lot
of people who wanted to build domes who kept distracting me.
--
Thanks,

Nathan Burke,
Oregon Dome, Inc.

E-mail:  oregon@domes.com
Web:  http://www.domes.com
Address:  3215 Meadow Lane, Eugene OR  97402
Fax:  (541) 689-9275
Phone:  (800) 572-8943
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"Only Humans play "deceive yourself and you can fool the world"; or "I know
what it's all about"; or "Life is just chemistry"; and "We humans invented
and are running the world." Dogs play "Fetch it" to please their masters,
not to deceive themselves. The most affectionate of dogs do not play
"Burial of our dead" or "Chemistry is for real." Only humans play the game
of masks and monuments. Fictional history. Historical architecture. Crab
walk sideways; but only human society keeps its eyes on the past as it
backs into the future. Madison Avenue aesthetics and ethics. Comic strips
and cartoons . . truly emergent, laughing at self-deception . . . momentary
fleeting glimpses of glory, inadvertently revealed  through faithful
accuracy of observation - lucid conceptioning - spoken of as the music of
the stars, inadequate to the mystery of integrity."
 - R. Buckminster Fuller, Synergetics (1975), 1025.11
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Subject:      Stockade Building Patent

UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE

James Monroe Hewlett and Richard Buckminster Fuller, of Lawrence, New
York, assignant to Stockdale Building System, Inc, a corporation of New
York.

BUILDING STRUCTURE

In the patent of James Monroe Hewlett, No. 1, 604, 097, dated October 19,
1926, there is claimed a wall structure involving the use of fibrous,
substantially non-absorbent blocks. The present invention relates in a
building structure preferably utilizing such blocks, and while the present
structure is illustrated in said Hewlett patent it is not claimed therein,
as the same constitutes the joint invention of the present applicant's
rather than the sole invention of Hewlett.

According the the present invention, a wall is formed which comprises two
distinct elements, one being a weight-carrying structure and the other a
wall filling which also serves as the spacing medium for floor boards and
the like which are supported by the weight-carrying structure. The filling
medium is composed of blocks which preferably are fibrous, with large
interstices between the fibers. Such blocks are substantially
non-absorbent, but they have very little strength to resist crushing under
strains; under a load of  any substantial weight they would be readily
compressed and therefore when we refer to these blocks as "compressible"
we mean blocks which would be squashed or compressed under building loads.
These blocks are formed with appropriate openings so that the
weight-carrying structure of concrete can be cast without them. Also the
blocks are of such a nature that they can readily be cut with an ordinary
saw to permit the insertion of floor boards and the like into the side of
the wall so that such load elements may rest upon the load-carrying
structure.

The present invention can readily be understood by reference to the said
Hewlett patent and to the accompanying drawings which the figure is
substantially similar to Fig. 1 of said Hewlett patent.

FIG 1

The method of producing the blocks here llustratrated is fully described
in the Hewlett patent, but it may be stated briefly that these blocks
consist of fibrous material, such as an excelsior, coated with plaster and
loosely compacted into a mold so that the fibers will stick together but
will form a block with relatively large interstices between the fibres. In
the accompanying drawing, it will be noted that three forms of block are
illustrated. The blocks B may, for example, be 16 inches long, 8 inches
wide and 4 inches thick. These blocks have two openings through them to
receive vertical concrete columns 7 as illustrated at the right hand side
of the drawing where the blocks are shown in sections. These columns may,
for example, be about 4 inches in diameter. It is to be understood that
the appropriate reinforcing rods are used in these columns, as for example
described in said Hewlett patent.

The second type of blocks designated as B' are much thicker than Blocks B
and have the openings for the vertical columns 7 and likewise have
registering channels to form a horizontal concrete beam or girth 10. The
horizontal beams 10 are preferably provided with longitudinal tie-rods 11
and the reinforcements for the vertical columns 7 are preferably made to
extend into the horizontal beams 10, thereby tying the two together. The
beams 10 must receive all the load and distribute it to the columns so
they should be strong, preferably having a depth considerably greater than
the diameter of the columns 7. For example, they may be 8 inches deep.

In constructing a house or similar structure, the blocks B' are made with
the joints broken in every course. At each story, a course of blocks B' is
provided, so positioned that the upper face of these blocks will be
immediately below the floor beams 12. After the vertical columns 7 and the
horizontal beams 10 are poured (preferably with the tie-rods extending up
to connect additional vertical columns 7, as is well understood in the
art) a set of blocks B" is placed on top of blocks B'. The blocks B' are
exactly like the blocks B except that they are thicker, preferably being
made the same thickness as the depth of the floor beams 12. As the blocks
B" are put in place, notches are cut on the inside to receive the ends of
the floor beams 12. By this arrangement the blocks B serve as spacing
members for the floor beams, and make a very tight, air-proof packing
around the ends of the floor beams. The wall is then continued up until
the next story where the operation may be repeated. If desired, two or
more courses of blocks B may be used in place of blocks B" with their
sides appropriately notched to receive the ends of floor beams 12. If the
usual pitched roof is used, the top of the wall structure may end with the
girth blocks B' and the horizontal beams 10, the roof beams being carried
by the beams 10 either directly or through the medium of a wooden nailing
plate.

It will be understood that the girth blocks B' may be used in other
points, if desired; for example, if there is a large window opening, the
girth blocks B' may be placed directly over such opening, in whch case the
horizontal beam formed in these girth blocks will act as a lintel beam.

While this invention has been described as used with the fibrous blocks of
the aforesaid Hewlett patent, it may be used with other types of block
which are compressible and therefore not adapted to carrying building
loads.

--
Bill Paton --Solutioneer
bpaton@inforamp.net
THE DIRECTOR'S TEMPLATE
http://www.inforamp.net/~bpaton
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From:         "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
Subject:      VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING CAR
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Skycar Technical Information
<Picture>
"Moller has developed, built, and flown a two passenger prototype model of
a volantor. This volantor is a new type of aircraft that combines the
performance of airplane and the VTOL capability of helicopters in a single
vehicle without the limitations of either."

"Using a principle similar to that of the British Harrier jump jet, the
Moller volantor incorporates a patented thrust deflection vane system that
redirects thrust, enabling it to hover or to takeoff and land vertically
from almost any surface. This capability plus the added safety of ducted
fans makes it ideal for a wide variety of commercial and military
applications. These include private and charter air travel, express
delivery, news gathering, border patrol, police and fire work, and search
and rescue, to name just a few."

<Picture: Images of skycar>

Passengers:                             4
Cruise speed/ top speed:        350/390 mph
Maximum rate of climb:          7800 fpm
Maximum range:                  900 miles
Payload with max fuel:          740 lb
Fuel consumption:               15 mpg
Operational ceiling:            30000 ft
Gross weight:                           2400 lb
Engine power (8x120 hp):        960 hp
Dimensions (LxWxH):             18' x 9' x 6'
Takeoff and landing area:       35 ft dia
Noise level at 500 ft:          65 dba
Vertical takeoff and landing:   yes
Uses automotive gas:            yes
Emergency parachutes:           yes

http://www.moller.com/~mi/Tskycar.htm

Moller International
1222 Research Park Drive
Davis, CA 95616
USA
Fax: (916) 756 - 5179
mi@moller.com

(Bucky's car is here now!!)
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This web site is being created to provide information about earth systems,
environmental research, and Biosphere 2 Center. On a direct level, this
includes information about the Biosphere 2 apparatus, Columbia
University's educational programs, research on-site, and
visitor/conference information. On a higher level, we hope to use this web
site as a global forum to promote education and understanding about Earth
systems.

http://www.bio2.edu/origindex.htm

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Subject:      Bucky & StarTrek: First Contact
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I highly recommend you see the new movie, Star Trek: First Contact,
because it predicts what I believe to be a key element of Bucky's vision
- the elimination of money as the basis for the world's economic system.

In what could turn out to be a very "subliminally subversive" moment in
the film, a visitor to the starship Enterprise (which has gone back in
time to the year 2061) asks Captain Picard "How much did this thing cost
to build?"  His answer goes something like this: "I'm afraid your
question is no longer relevant.  In the 24th Century, our economic system
is no longer based on the concept of money; it is based on activities
designed to improve humanity."

(Again, this is not the exact dialogue - just the best I can remember.)

It blew my mind to think that the writers of the film thought to include
that scene.  Many of us, I assume, know that the world's current economic
system is based on a "scarcity model" and that money is something that
was invented to help people traffic in all the various pieces of the
fixed, limited pie of resources that constituted the world that existed
when "economics - the concept" was born.  I also suppose that many of us
who follow Star Trek knew that money doesn't exist in that vision of the
future; but to hear it so planely stated in a big-budget film - that's
going to be seen by millions of people - was a remarkable experience.

Hope you all get to see the film and that you enjoy that moment as much
as I did.  (The rest of the film is a lot of fun, too.)

- Steve


Steve Brant
Trimtab Management Systems
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"Charting new routes to the 21st Century"

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Date:         Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:19:16 +0000
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From:         James Fischer <jfischer@SUPERCOLLIDER.COM>
Subject:      Buckminster Fuller Books CHEAP!
Comments: To: geodesic@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu
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In the course of my usual weekend raiding and plundering of
used bookstores, I came across the following books:

   SYNERGETICS 2 (Applewhite/Bucky) 1st Edition,      $7.50 US
                 Hardbound
                                [Mint condition, except
                                for some discoloration/fading
                                on the front of the dust cover.
                                Even has the snazzy glassine
                                wrapper around the dust cover,
                                proving that the owner never
                                put ANY miles on the book.]

   THE DYMAXION WORLD OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER            $7.00 US
                (Marks/Bucky)
                The 1973 Anchor Books paperback
                                [Not mint, but very little wear]

I found both these books at:

                "Read It Again Sam" Used Books
                Front Street
                Lovingston, VA
                804-263-8323

                Hours: Monday-Saturday 10am - 7pm (EST)
                       Sunday          11am - 5pm

                They take Visa, Mastercard and, Novus(Discover)
                plastic, and they will ship anywhere.

The books are set aside (behind the sales counter), so you may have
to use my name (Fischer) to help them locate the books.  You have
roughly one week before the books go back on the shelves.



Not long ago, "hackers" were programmers, rather than criminals.
              "Spam" was found only in cans, never on my server.
              most folks thought "The Net" starred Jack Webb on TV.
              the internet ran on trust and cooperation.

james fischer                  jfischer@supercollider.com
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>>     In NOMADIC FURNITURE by...
>>     ...You will see how one cup
>>     (circle) fits exactly 6 cups (circles) around it.

>And when you're done with your lamp, you can make an
>equivalent faceted polyhedra from a pile of regular
>hexagons...   : )

        And you WILL be done with your lamp fairly
        quickly, since the melting point of a styofoam
        is well below the heat produced by even a
        60-Watt lightbulb.

        I guess the book was named "Nomadic Furniture"
        due to the fact that one will be FORCED to move
        when one's house burns down from use of the
        styrofoam lamp!!!

Not long ago, "hackers" were programmers, rather than criminals.
              "Spam" was found only in cans, never on my server.
              most folks thought "The Net" starred Jack Webb on TV.
              the internet ran on trust and cooperation.

james fischer                  jfischer@supercollider.com
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> From: Tom Genereaux <toto@idir.net>
> To: Joe S. Moore <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
> Subject: Re: VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING CAR
> Date: Sunday, November 24, 1996 9:35 AM
> ----------
> > From: Joe S. Moore <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
> > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> > Subject: VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING CAR
> > Date: Saturday, November 23, 1996 7:20 PM
> >
> > Skycar Technical Information
> > <Picture>
> > "Moller has developed, built, and flown a two passenger prototype
model
> of
> > a volantor. This volantor is a new type of aircraft that combines the
> > performance of airplane and the VTOL capability of helicopters in a
> single
> > vehicle without the limitations of either."
> >
> > (Bucky's car is here now!!)
> > ============================
> > Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar
> >
>
> Well - it isn't here yet. Moller has dumped a heck of a lot of money
into
> the project, and the car has yet to make it beyond the
> mockup stage - first flight was due to be in 1996, the schedule (per
their
> WEB pages) is now sometime in 1997.  The basic
> technology is sound - but there are some real hurdles to be overcome
yet.
> The fuel consumption issue is one - all VTOL
> aircraft use a significant fraction of their fuel load in hover
(assuming a
> non-rotary wing - helicopters don't  count.)
>
> Tom G.
>
> .-
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RBF in front of a blackboard

http://www.trimtab.com/buckybio.html

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Hi all

I'm planing a visit to the USA, specifically Scottsdale Arizona, over
the Christmas and New Year period.  I'll probably do a bit of
travelling and sightseeing around the state.  My partner and I plan to
stay a few nights in Sedona.

If the opportunity arises, I would be interested in seeing a dome or
two while I'm there :-)

With that in mind, I'd appreciate any pointers or contacts with
friendly dome owners or whatever.

Regards
Ross


--
Ross Keatinge                        rossk@ihug.co.nz
Auckland, New Zealand
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The following appears in the "Progressive Economics" column of the
Nov/Dec issue of BusinessEthics (formerly a magazine, now a newsletter
that still looks a lot like a magazine)

I suggest the appropriate people reach out to Paul Romer and Robert
Solow.  Sounds like we have some potentially powerfull allies here.

I'd be interested in knowing what you all think?

Here's the article:

"What's all this about scarcity?"

Since the science of economics began 200 years ago, it has been based on
the premise of allocating scarce goods - but economist Paul Romer from
the University of California at Berkeley is blowing that theory sky-high.
 In his view, the world isn't defined by scarcity, but is a place of
boundless opportunity, where new ideas continually create new products
and new markets.  "We're in this world, it's got some objects, sure, but
it's got these ideas, too, and all that stuff about scarcity and price
systems is just wrong," Romer said in Wired magazine, June 1996.  While
traditional economists divide the world into objects annd wants, Romer
splits it into objects and ideas.  Objects may be scarce, but ideas
aren't.  By developing new ideas in biotechnology, or microprocessor
technology, for example, humans can boost productviity, and drive growth
to unforseen heights.  Humans always underestimate how many ideas remain
to be discovered, he says.  MIT economist and Nobel laureate Robert Solow
pegs Romer as ripe to win a Nobel Prize.


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_Charas, The Improbable Dome Builders_
by Syeus Mottel
Introd. by R. Buckminster Fuller.
193 pp., folio, ill. with photographs and technical manual.
VF in F dj. f 20.00

Report on a community action group implementing Buckminster Fuller's
ideas.
(Paperboard/Ferrocement combo--JSM)

WESSELMAN BOOKS
prices are in Dutch guilders; only guilders are accepted as payment.

pwessel@xs4all.nl

http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwessel/books/archit.html

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Saint John's Abbey Quarterly
Fall 1995

"Submissions of three photo enlargements and a papercraft model of
patterns on a spherical surface by Father Magnus Wenninger were part of a
show at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City, 9 November.
The show was sponsored by the architecture department of Brooklyn's Pratt
Institute, the Buckminster Fuller Institute and other professional groups.
Father Magnus's "Patterns on a Spherical Surface" has been accepted for
publication by the International Journal of Space Structures. Stay tuned:
he's in discussion with a Minneapolis-based company that wishes to display
and promote his papercraft polyhedron models."

http://www.osb.org/osb/sja/quart/q95042.html

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[151kB GIF]
Vamp generated charge density plot for Buckminster Fullerene

http://www.oxmol.com/PRODUCTS/GIF/vamp.gif

"Vamp is a highly efficient semiempirical molecular orbital package. The
program has been optimised to produce very precise results extremely
rapidly. Compatible with standard molecular modelling packages, Vamp
easily integrates with your existing computational chemistry solution."

Oxford Molecular Group PLC

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Date:         Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:19:16 LOCAL
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Organization: Universitaet Regensburg
Subject:      Re: Tensegrity coatrack plans

In article <Pine.HPP.3.95.961118215239.14129A-100000@fohnix.metronet.com> Mike
McGary <mcgary@metronet.com> writes:
>From: Mike McGary <mcgary@metronet.com>
>Subject: Re: Tensegrity coatrack plans
>Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:04:32 -0600



>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, Donald MacDonald-Ross wrote:

>> I recall years ago building tensegrity icosahedron models this way;
>>
>> 1) Build a paper cube of correct size...
>> 2) Cut wooden dowells of correct length...                 ___|___
>> 3) Attach dowells across center of faces of cube with tape. o[|]o
>>                                                            ~~~|~~~
>> 4) String thread from end points of dowells, attach with map pins.
>> 5) Collapse and remove the paper cube from center.
>>
>> Of course I forget the correct relationship between the size of cube, and
>> length of dowells... someone with more patience and pythagoreean knowlege
>> can easily figure that out for you. (Perhaps that should be step 1?)

>The relationship between the dowel length and the cube side length
>is the golden mean ( (1+sqrt(5))/2 = 1.618... ).
>This is the same relationship between the side of
>a pentagon and a chord between two non-adjacent vertexes.

You might find that the resulting tensegrity construction is only stable,
when the dowel length ist exactly twice the length of an edge of the cube.
Of course, this is no longer a regular icosahedron, but that's just one of
the twists of tensegrity.


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in refrence to elimination of money, check the article in Wired magazine
last 2 or 3 issues. the president of City bank-a big shot in that
business- are predicting quick change to electronic money.

tagdi
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to Joe,
in refrence to data about this new airplane:
to take note of series of numbers, it is better to list 2 numbers
of importance that helps understanding of general charcteristics.
also, technical words hinder comprehension; it would be easier
to use everyday words, or at least give some definition.
i hoped that is not asking to much.

Fuller Map
you cant draw the moon with the sun in one picture!

here is the shape you asked me to draw.


            ------.------
            \  a / \  c /
                / b \
      .-----  .-------
             / \     / \
         1    2    3  4   5 to 9
           .------.------.

  i dont draw the whole map, those 2 f tringles are intersecting.
  in number a-i give alphapet to the tringles in the top for easy
   remembering and numbers in the bottom- you see the lower half
   of africa so you trace that and in c the bulge and in b the rest
   and part of south arabia.
   by specifying each tringle and what fit in it you can draw
    the whole map; take a little time to do it, then the map
   will be constructed in the brain and you can see it either
    as a whole or in part and you can make all kinds of connection.
    you can also rotated; but first try it.

   if possible, could you send this to Geni President.
    drawing the map from memory is a new discovery, i am not
    interested in my name; just little credit from friends.

    also i find it interesting to draw vertical victors on the top
    of the map; this show tension and creats real active map as
    a whole-try it. in relation to energy netwerk, you can change
     the colours of the connection on the vertical, with a particular
     colour for high priority link.

     checking the map in this way, i discovered that the most
      important area of energy production are the big rivers
      in the world.

       visualizing the map in the brain can help modeling the
       world and changes the conceptual thinking, i think.

     tagdi
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>From NEC-Japan's electronic journal:

"Mr. Hizume: Inspiration derived from quasi-crystals

"From the viewpoint of my work, the structure of a quasi-crystal<Picture>
(JPEG size: 11,810byte) alloy gave me a great shock when I first saw it in
the 1980s.

"Before the quasi-crystal was discovered, British mathematian Roger
Penrose predicted a geometric structure with his "2-D Penrose
Tiling"<Picture> (JPEG size: 12,607byte).

"It is a law of tile-setting like a puzzle. He found this law while he was
thinking about "How can this plane be filled with two different types of
rhombs?".

"Though the Penrose tiling is of a plane (2-dimension), Professor Tohru
Ogawa of Tsukuba University, Japan, believed that there would be
3-dimensional Penrose tiling, and he succeeded in filling a space with
models of two different types of rhombic polyhedrons.

"By receiving hints from the ideas of Professor Ogawa and Mr. Coffin, a
puzzle creator, I tried to make models that could illustrate a penrose
3-dimensionally with rods, and created a structure which I called it
"MU-MAGARI" (six-fold complex)<Picture> (JPEG size: 9,928byte).

"Recently, Professor Koji Miyazaki of the Graduate School of Human &
Environmental Studies, Kyoto University, Japan, and his group have
proposed a study called "Hyper Space Science".

"As far as my study is concerned, the "MU-MAGARI", a structure that is
created by projecting a "6-dimensional jungle gym" into a 2-dimensional
space, and "GO-MAGARI" (five fold complex)<Picture> (JPEG size:
16,784byte), a structure that is created by projecting the "MU-MAGARI"
2-dimensionally, are of a high-dimensional structure, too.

"The "MU-MAGARI" offers a completely new point of view from that of the
atom level. That is because a place in which an atom should be is
illustrated as an "empty" opening. I generally call such structure a "Star
Cage".

http://www.nec.co.jp/english/today/corpcomm/c_and_c/kai01/syo01/setu02.html


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Subject:      Re: Styrofoam Lamp WARNING

>        And you WILL be done with your lamp fairly
>        quickly, since the melting point of a styofoam
>        is well below the heat produced by even a
>        60-Watt lightbulb.

>        I guess the book was named "Nomadic Furniture"
>        due to the fact that one will be FORCED to move
>        when one's house burns down from use of the
>        styrofoam lamp!!!

Hmm...  The sphere of styrofoam cups in question here
is on the order of 3 feet in diameter.  The bulb assembly
is suspended in the center.
Has anyone here ever set a styrofoam cup 18  inches
away from a 60 watt light bulb and survived the
experience?

NOMADIC FURNITURE, all kidding aside, is a wonderful
book that might well be of interest to the readers of
this newsgroup, along with its sequel.
I would recommned even more highly
that you locate a copy of Victor Papanek's
DESIGN FOR THE REAL WORLD (Intro by RBF)
and perhaps his DESIGN FOR HUMAN SCALE.

I have actually built and used such a styrofoam
lamp.  I enjoyed very much the soft light that it
provided and did not burn down my house a single
time.  I will comment that they are very difficult
to dust after they get dirty.

C.E.Peck   -   WinkWorks  -
Look for our websight soon
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(The Garden of Eden story):

For the miracle answer the kings, nobles, and merchants of Mesopotamia
turned to the navigator-astronomer-priests of Babylon.

To convince everyone in the new western world that accounts of any earlier
religions or people elsewhere on earth were false, the priests said that
the beginnings of humans in the Universe had occurred nearby to Babylon in
a garden called Eden.

Their story from then on is well known.

What seems pure nonsense in the Garden of Eden story of the creation of a
woman from a man's rib is explained as follows.

Vessels of the sea are always female because they contain their crews in
their interior wombs.

The female "Eve" was the high-seas, world-around-sailable vessel; her
great strength developed when navigators discovered the backbone-mounted
rib cage employed by Nature in the design of whales, porpoises, seals and
other sea creatures.

So man built his high-seas vessel, "Eve," with strong wooden ribs rising
sidewise from her keel, planked "her" in, then leather-thong-fastened the
planks' edges together, tied them tightly into the ribs, and pitched her
seams.

Thus "Eve" the ship, built from Adam's rib cage design, was temptingly
"led on" by Naga the serpent, god of the sea, around the world, with Adam
aboard.

Thus Naga showed Adam, by means of Eve, that the earth is as round as the
apple.

R. B. Fuller, _Tetrascroll_, p.90

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Quote from _Discovering Your Psychic World_
by Annette Martin

"Intuition Often Turns Dreams Into Demonstrable Facts "
- R. Buckminster Fuller - March, 1983

It was the summer of 1982 when I had the honor of meeting one of the
greatest minds of our time, R. Buckminster Fuller, futurist, philosopher,
scientist, author, architect, cosmologist. Bucky, as he preferred to be
called, spoke on how we needed to take care of Mother Earth, at a
conference being held at the Highland Hospital on the beautiful island of
Maui.

During a cocktail party held later that evening, I turned to notice Bucky
motioning me over. My heart raced and couldn't believe that he wanted to
speak to me. I turned, thinking that he must be communicating with someone
behind my back, but no one else was standing there. I pointed to myself
and he nodded his head. Walking over to his table of five I thought to
myself, "What will I say to this extraordinary man?"

Within seconds I found myself sitting next to this incredible mind, tongue
tied for the first time in my life. Bucky smiled and asked my name and
then said, "Tell me, Annette, who you are."

"Oh, my God! Who I am?" I thought to myself. Looking into this
octogenarians bright blue sparkling eyes and knowing deep in my heart that
I had to speak the truth, I stammered, "I am a professional Psychic."

"Yes, yes!" he replied. "Now, tell me all about yourself. Start from the
beginning and tell me everything." He took my right hand and held it
gently. "Speak loudly so I can hear, this is my good ear, so we shouldn't
have to much trouble."

Before I knew it an hour and a half had passed and I was being invited to
dinner with Buckminster Fuller, an astronaut who flew to the moon, and two
other physicist. I couldn't believe what was happening.

Bucky took my hand and said, "Annette, I want you to sit on my left, so we
can talk during dinner and you can tell us how you are able to read other
people."

I began to explain my process and would get to a certain point, when Bucky
would interrupt and explain to the other's in scientific terms what I had
just said. They would all discuss the issue and ask me to go on. By the
time we finished desert I was exhausted from trying to comprehend some of
the technical terminology Bucky had been using. Everyone was smiling and
seemed to be having a good time, so I presumed they understood.

We drove back to the Hotel and stepped out of the car. I thanked them for
the lovely dinner when Bucky leaned over and hugged me. He took both of my
hands and put them up to his face. "Annette, I want you to promise me one
thing," he said gently. "Promise me that you will always continue with
your work in the psychic field, your readings, teaching and what ever form
it takes."

Tears streamed down my face as our eyes met, "Oh, yes, Bucky, I will
always continue, till my dying day. I promise you."

"Good! Now, I hope to see you sometime soon," he said shaking my hands.

I stood there in a daze as he walked off with the others.

Several months later I was fortunate to be able to attend Bucky's
world-map conference game in San Diego, which led to three other visits
throughout the United States. Each time we would sit and talk about his
philosophy and he would want to always know what I had learned since we
last met.

One of the issues that we spoke about in great detail was the belief we
both have that human continuance depends entirely upon:

The intuitive wisdom of each and every individual.

The individual's integrity of speaking and acting only on the individual's
own within-self-intuited and reasoned initiative.

The individual's comprehensive informedness.

The individual's joining action with others, as motivated only by the
individually conceived consequences of so doing.

The individual's never-joining action with others, created by
emotionalism, or by a sense of the crowd's power to overwhelm, or fear of
holding to a course by one's own intellectual convictions.

It was a sad day when I heard the news that my wonderful old friend Bucky
had passed away two hours before his wife Annie died. In my heart I feel
he knew intuitively that she would be lost without him. I am sure he
planned it this way so that he would be there to hold her hand and walk
through the light together.

This great man has made such a mark on my soul and continues to give me a
propulsion of energy to continue on.

http://www.apollo.co.uk/a/annettem/

annie@cdworld.com
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_George Nelson: The Design of Modern Design_
By Stanley Abercrombie
Published by The MIT Press (19??)
55 Hayward Street, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02142.

(In a review of the above book the following appears.  Quote:)

Nicely designed by The MIT Press, George Nelson: The Design of Modern
Design is fun to read and includes many humorous anecdotes, some to be
found in the (extensive) footnotes (for example, Nelson's remarks about
the opening exhibit of the Memphis furniture collection in 1981).
Describing Nelson and Fuller's Seating Tool (a combination of aluminum
reflector shields, a celluloid cone and a wire) Arthur Drexler points out
its "remarkable strength," but that "unfortunately anyone sitting on this
nearly invisible object completely overhung the seat, and appeared to be
balancing painfully on a knitting needle."

(Does anyone have any info about Bucky's "Seating Tool"?)

http://northshore.shore.net/~agrant/reviews.html

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From:         bill paton <bpaton@INFORAMP.NET>
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Subject:      Deming/bfi approach

I came across some interesting information about Bucky and  Richard Deming
on Steve Brant's website:

http://www.trimtab.com

This led me to the following links about Richard Deming who has very
similar interests and ideas as Bucky.


http://deming.clemson.edu

http://deming.eng.clemson.edu/pub/den/

I think these links are relevant not only because of the similarity to
Bucky's ideas, but also they are along the lines that I think the BFI
should go to have Bucky's message get across effectively.

I would be interested in what others think about this and if people would
be interested in starting something along these lines regarding Bucky.

--
Bill Paton --Solutioneer
bpaton@inforamp.net
THE DIRECTOR'S TEMPLATE
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IF AT ALL POSSIBLE PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST.
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Ascii Express

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or
 ___    ___    _____  ___    ___    ___    _  ___
(  _`\ (  _`\ (  _  )(  _`\ (  _`\ (  _`\ (_)(  _`\
| ( (_)| (_(_)| ( ) || | ) || (_(_)| (_(_)| || ( (_)
| |___ |  _)_ | | | || | | )|  _)_ `\__ \ | || |  _
| (_, )| (_( )| (_) || |_) || (_( )( )_) || || (_( )
(____/'(____/'(_____)(____/'(____/'`\____)(_)(____/'

or
  ____  _____   ___   ____   _____  ____   ___   ____
 / ___|| ____| / _ \ |  _ \ | ____|/ ___| |_ _| / ___|
| |  _ |  _|  | | | || | | ||  _|  \___ \  | | | |
| |_| || |___ | |_| || |_| || |___  ___) | | | | |___
 \____||_____| \___/ |____/ |_____||____/ |___| \____|

or

 #####  ####### ####### ######  #######  #####    ###    #####
#     # #       #     # #     # #       #     #    #    #     #
#       #       #     # #     # #       #          #    #
#  #### #####   #     # #     # #####    #####     #    #
#     # #       #     # #     # #             #    #    #
#     # #       #     # #     # #       #     #    #    #     #
 #####  ####### ####### ######  #######  #####    ###    #####

or
 ___   ___  ___  ___  ___  ___  _  ___
/  _> | __>| . || . \| __>/ __>| ||  _>
| <_/\| _> | | || | || _> \__ \| || <__
`____/|___>`___'|___/|___><___/|_|`___/

or
  ___  ____  _____  ____   ____  ___  ____   ___
 / __)( ___)(  _  )(  _ \ ( ___)/ __)(_  _) / __)
( (_-. )__)  )(_)(  )(_) ) )__) \__ \ _)(_ ( (__
 \___/(____)(_____)(____/ (____)(___/(____) \___)

or
____ ____ ____ ___  ____ ____ _ ____
| __ |___ |  | |  \ |___ [__  | |
|__] |___ |__| |__/ |___ ___] | |___

or
  __  ___   __   ___   ___  ___  __   __
 / _)(  _) /  \ (   \ (  _)/ __)(  ) / _)
( (/\ ) _)( () ) ) ) ) ) _)\__ \ )( ( (_
 \__/(___) \__/ (___/ (___)(___/(__) \__)

http://www.se.cuhk.edu.hk/~mcchau3/cgi-bin/express.html

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Organization: Management 21 Inc.
Subject:      Re: Styrofoam Lamp WARNING
Comments: To: justwink@AOL.COM

justwink@AOL.COM,Internet writes:
> I have actually built and used such a styrofoam
> lamp.  I enjoyed very much the soft light that it
> provided and did not burn down my house a single
> time.  I will comment that they are very difficult
> to dust after they get dirty.

I've also seen these made from clear styrene plastic... and the bulb doesn't
melt them.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:45:34 -0800
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>I came across some interesting information about Bucky and  Richard Deming
>on Steve Brant's website:
>
>http://www.trimtab.com

Thank you, Bill, for visiting my site.

>
>This led me to the following links about Richard Deming who has very
>similar interests and ideas as Bucky.
>
>
>http://deming.clemson.edu
>
>http://deming.eng.clemson.edu/pub/den/
>
>I think these links are relevant not only because of the similarity to
>Bucky's ideas, but also they are along the lines that I think the BFI
>should go to have Bucky's message get across effectively.
>
>I would be interested in what others think about this and if people would
>be interested in starting something along these lines regarding Bucky.

One of the underlying purposes of Trimtab Management Systems is to bring
together Bucky and Dr. Deming's life's work into a coherent whole.  Not
that Bucky's work was in some way incomplete, mind you; just that there
is tremendous synergy possible when you combine the two, if for no other
reason (and there *are* other reasons) then Dr. Deming's acceptance "out
in the business world."

Deming didn't see what Bucky saw (or at least he didn't talk about it)
until later in his life.  (Most of his life was spent focusing on the
"system of specific industries".)  But, in the end - he died at 93 in
1993 - he was talking about the system of the world.  Deming has many
followers/students.

If enough people are interested (or maybe Bill and I will talk about it
"off line"), there is one way I know of that can potentially bring the
two bodies of work together - the Community Quality Council concept.

'til next time.

Steve Brant
>--
>Bill Paton --Solutioneer
>bpaton@inforamp.net
>THE DIRECTOR'S TEMPLATE
>http://www.inforamp.net/~bpaton



Steve Brant
Trimtab Management Systems
81 Ocean Parkway, Suite 3H
Brooklyn, NY 11218-1754

"Charting new routes to the 21st Century"

(718) 972-0949 (voice)
(718) 972-3465 (fax)
sbrant@trimtab.com
http://www.trimtab.com (beta Web Site now on-line)
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"Only integrity is going to count..."
                 - R. Buckminster Fuller
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        justwink@AOL.COM said:

>> I have actually built and used such a styrofoam
>> lamp.  I enjoyed very much the soft light that it
>> provided and did not burn down my house a single
>> time.  I will comment that they are very difficult
>> to dust after they get dirty.

        and J. Michael Rowland <jmr@MANAGEMENT21.COM> added:

>I've also seen these made from clear styrene plastic... and the
>bulb doesn't melt them.

        Perhaps my concerns are misplaced.  I have
        both "Nomadic Furniture" and "Nomadic Furniture 2",
        so I am well aware of the construction details.

        I have employees who engage in Nerf-weapon
        battles to settle disagreements over design
        issues.  These battles often range from the
        lab to the house, despite my claims that they
        should respect the "DMZ" of the driveway.  My
        friends regularly bring their kids to the house,
        and the kids often find mischief of one sort
        or another to get into.  I also have a number
        of rather large dogs.  It follows that there
        is a good chance of knocking down or breaking
        a fragile item made from a flammable material.

        Your mileage may vary.

Not long ago, "hackers" were programmers, rather than criminals.
              "Spam" was found only in cans, never on my server.
              most folks thought "The Net" starred Jack Webb on TV.
              the internet ran on trust and cooperation.

james fischer                  jfischer@supercollider.com
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Bill has hit on some cool stuff here. At the school where I work we are
trying to be more heavily invested in the works of Deming, total quality,
systems thinking and learning organizations. In Peter Senge's book _ The
Fifth Discipline_ he quotes some of fuller and the idea of the trimtab.
This stuff is really hit upon in learning organizations.

Paul Kosuth



On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, bill paton wrote:

> I came across some interesting information about Bucky and  Richard Deming
> on Steve Brant's website:
>
> http://www.trimtab.com
>
> This led me to the following links about Richard Deming who has very
> similar interests and ideas as Bucky.
>
>
> http://deming.clemson.edu
>
> http://deming.eng.clemson.edu/pub/den/
>
> I think these links are relevant not only because of the similarity to
> Bucky's ideas, but also they are along the lines that I think the BFI
> should go to have Bucky's message get across effectively.
>
> I would be interested in what others think about this and if people would
> be interested in starting something along these lines regarding Bucky.
>
> --
> Bill Paton --Solutioneer
> bpaton@inforamp.net
> THE DIRECTOR'S TEMPLATE
> http://www.inforamp.net/~bpaton
>
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Economics of Ideas
by Kevin Kelley

"Bashing apart the idea of diminishing returns - the economic theory that
states that growth has its limits - Paul Romer is championing the
economics of ideas. In Romer's view, it's new ideas and new technologies
that drive growth. So far, he's been right."

http://www.hotwired.com/wired_online/4.06/romer/

(Abundance Economics rather than Scarcity Economics.  JSM)
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Date:         Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:14:31 -0700
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What have you been smoking?  {:/
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Date:         Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:16:10 -0700
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That guy doesn't have enough to do.....
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you are on some weird EM lists..
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Someone really doesn't have enough to do......
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From:         "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM>
Subject:      YOUR BOOK
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Steven Lee Combs
Syncorswim, Inc.
P.O.Box 39
Bradford, Maine 04410

Dear Steven,

Do you still have copies of your _Unrepentent Synergetics_ available?  If
so, I would be interested in acquiring one.
Thank you.

Joe S. Moore
850 Park Ave, #3-A
Capitola, CA 95010

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Date:         Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:31:56 +0100
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Ed show

> Someone really doesn't have enough to do......
>

 you need attention Ed dont you, just like the rest
 of us, welcom    deprivation. if you want to know
 what we are doing, just ask me.

 i thought a nasty reply would be following in t e
 old way of doing things-behaving.
 tagdi
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Date:         Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:20:05 GMT
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From:         NETNEWS@AMERICAN.EDU
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht, (ACCU)
Subject:      Fuller 14 questions

1.Universe
2.humanity
3.Children
4.Teleology
5.Reform the enviroment
6.General system
7.Industrialization
8.design Science
9.world service
10 ephemeralization
11.prime design initiative
12.self descipline
13.comprehensive doordination
14world community and
subcommunities of world man
---------------------------------------------------
 i am taking the first questionand the eightto answer
 1.i find i can fit these subjects
 under it: space travel, Einstein, Ancient astronomy,
 epistemology, all the general prinicples, history of
 religion, muscians way of thinking, memory, sailing
 cosmology, some great thinkers writing, reflex, anatomy.

 8. under design, i listed:aironatic data, large ships
    and their evolution, all the port operation including
    ocean going. hotels operations, city planning, airports
    airline industry operation schedualing, number of
    travelers
    milage curves-any trend that give wholistic picture,
    changes that was revolutionary in changing the course
    of soceity. future forcasting, technological lag,
    building operations, frequency modulation, ships tonage
    Joe design e-mails, energy,geodesic dome technology,
    materials
    of consern-not all. enviroment extrems, smart card,
    zeological designs.

  i refer you to Fuller saying, that he couldnt have talked
    to people had he not kept to answering this questions.
    check his Design stratgy chapter in Utopia and Oblivion.

   i have been struggling to find a way to reading, and
   i have lost so much valuble time-years. not all of us
   understand things easily; i find myself sucked by the
   wind from one subject to another.

   i realy believe that, in order to introduce young people
   to Fuller idea there is minimum requirments, lets they get
   lost in the sea of ideas; that will be in another email!

   tagdi
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From:         Whistle Blower <whistle@BLOWER.COM.SG>
Organization: Whistle Blower Anonymous
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Hi, I need help to understand off-the-shelf software licensing. Suppose 4
years back you bought X software which happens to be an authoring tool.
You checked the licensing agreement and created X++ software using X
software.

Today, the software company has decided to change their licensing
agreement. All of a sudden you find that your investment of software,
hardware, time and aspirations all vanish overnight so to speak because
they have made your X++ software illegal.

Question: Can a software company selling a off-the-shelf development tool
change its licensing agreement so drastically? If Microsoft and Borland
were to announce that they have both decided to change their licensing
agreement so that the EXE and DLL you created with C/C++ will require you
to pay them a royalty fee if you want to distribute them; will you
accept? Is this kind of action legally enforceable.

Thank you for your reply. Please do not send your reply via private
e-mail. The software X in question is Asymetrix ToolBook. However, they
have an exception which is Express Author from IAT. Asymetrix claimed
that Express Author is legal because IAT is their business partner cum
authorized training centre. Can Asymetrix use this excuse to decide
whether a software is legal while another is illegal. Asymetrix's general
counsel is Steven Esau <stevene@asymetrix.com>.
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This MAY be effective for future software created with ToolBook but I don't
see the legal basis for changing a past contract.  Do they make a legal
argument?

>Hi, I need help to understand off-the-shelf software licensing. Suppose 4
>years back you bought X software which happens to be an authoring tool.
>You checked the licensing agreement and created X++ software using X
>software.
>
>Today, the software company has decided to change their licensing
>agreement. All of a sudden you find that your investment of software,
>hardware, time and aspirations all vanish overnight so to speak because
>they have made your X++ software illegal.
>
>Question: Can a software company selling a off-the-shelf development tool
>change its licensing agreement so drastically? If Microsoft and Borland
>were to announce that they have both decided to change their licensing
>agreement so that the EXE and DLL you created with C/C++ will require you
>to pay them a royalty fee if you want to distribute them; will you
>accept? Is this kind of action legally enforceable.
>
>Thank you for your reply. Please do not send your reply via private
>e-mail. The software X in question is Asymetrix ToolBook. However, they
>have an exception which is Express Author from IAT. Asymetrix claimed
>that Express Author is legal because IAT is their business partner cum
>authorized training centre. Can Asymetrix use this excuse to decide
>whether a software is legal while another is illegal. Asymetrix's general
>counsel is Steven Esau <stevene@asymetrix.com>.
>
>
__________________________________________________
Andrew Lewis

Mission Critical, Inc.
 voice:  608-233-8000
   fax:  608-233-9700
e-mail:  alewis@msn.fullfeed.com
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i was just thinking that we should make a 'list' of the best books
 that
some of you, us,whatever, think are helpful in learning particular
subject in a nice and stimulating way( but should have relation to
learning comprehensivly). i have some titles, but lets take a week
or so; remember this should be the' best' books that you think can
fit into this program of generality.

this has relation into getting rid of the starch of textbooks that
gave me so much headechs and made me as dume as i am.

cheers
tagdi

p.s i dont know if my message got throug; twas about
 'thinking out loud', a film about fuller, this week
  and nextis going to be shown in Amesterdam.
.......>
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Subject:      Re: Buckminsterfullerene, C60
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Helo dome affecionados,

Try this site in the UK.

http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/

Department of Chemistry
Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine.
Exhibition Road, London, SW7 2AY.
Telephone: +44 171 594 5732.
Fax: +44 171 594 5804.

This year's Chemistry Nobel Prize


It discusses the Buckminsterfullerene, C60 molecular structure. It's a
chemical website, but worth visiting.
They also offer a vieuwer to download, although I couldn't menage (the net
is very slow here...)

Cheers,

Marco from Belgium
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From:         Kirby Urner <pdx4d@TELEPORT.COM>
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Joe --

Patrick said GEODESIC is moving to

geodesic@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu (for posting)
listserv@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu (for commands)

Is it your understanding that this hasn't happened
yet?  I'll email this to the above posting address
as a test.

Kirby

PS:  I suggest you add your email address to your
sig, otherwise your posts to geodesic don't
contain any handy email reply info.

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>Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar

>Jonathan,
>
>In the "To:" line put      listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
>
>Leave "Subject" line blank
>
>In the body of message at the left margin put:
>
>subscribe geodesic yourfirstname yourlastname
>
>
>This should work; if not, let me know.
>
>Joe
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From:         Harald Wolf <allegra@ISLANDNET.COM>
Organization: Allegra Management
Subject:      Bucky's cow

Back in the 70's, when I became a Bucky fan, I remember coming across a
thoroughly hilariuos description of a cow -- very definitely in the words
of Bucky the Engineer.  I've tried to find this piece recently (it's just
over a page long, at the start of a chapter), but I don't know which book,
or chapter!

Can anyone help?

TIA - Harald
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-Quite often I will just copy directly from the browser
-page into the body of an email post.  If there is some
-kind of a graphic (picture, gif anim, video,
-movie, sound, etc), the graphic will be replaced by a
-<______> with a description of the graphic, such as
-<picture>.  The graphic is not actually included in
-the email;  you would have to go to that actual web
-page to see the graphic.  But at least you would know
-that there IS a graphic, if you were interested.
-
-Fairly soon I will start including actual graphics as
-attachments to my email, not just pointers.  And later
-I hope to include graphics in the body of my email
-(called "in line"), not as attachments.
-
-I think multimedia mail is exciting!
-
-Joe
-
-
        Multimedia email _is_ exciting. It also eats a lot of bandwidth,
and disk space. (This is how the computer & software manufacturers get you
to buy new equipment! First you start with email, then move to
multimedia...What? Not enough disk space? Well, glad you asked! We have a
new model here...What? Modem's too slow? Well, glad you asked! We have a
new model here...What? Processor is too slow? Well, glad you asked...)

        Do try to remember that for every picture you send as an
attachment, it gets duplicated and sent to the (currently) 174 members of
the list, plus posted to the bit.listserv.geodesic newsgroup, which gets
copied to thousands (or perhaps tens/hundreds of thousands) of news server
machines all over the internet.
        That adds to the general congestion on the net, as well as filling
mailboxes. (And while some of us just store things on our own disk drives,
others are paying real money for their storage, and paying real money for
every message they download.)
        Just as it would be of limited audience for me to post an audio
file when not everyone has audio-capable email (I don't, for example. :) ),
it's of limited use to post graphics and MIME stuff when many people
don't have the capability to view such things.

        That's why they invented URL's, after all. So that you could send
50 bytes of data and tell someone where something IS, without having to
send that something over the wire.

        Please try to keep this in mind, everyone (not just Joe, by any
means!) when posting things. On the net, everyone has a different kind of
computer, and a different kind of software, and a different kind of
operating system. Chances are that something fancy isn't going to work for
many of the people out there, and will just take up resources. Post the
URL, and the interested folks will make their way there. (And if you can
post the URLs together in one posting, even better. And if you can post 1
URL pointing to your list of URL's, even better! :-) )



        We're all starting to suffer data overload. I have a hard time
trying to keep up with the list at all, and currently have 284 messages in
my GEODESIC mailfolder _alone_. That folder is 1.2Mb of email, and that's
more space than some people have for their entire _account_. (We were
allowed 1Mb when I was in school. Teaches you a lot about hitting the 'd'
key... ;^)  )

        We should aim for quality, not quantity. Otherwise, everyone will
always be hitting the 'd' key and skipping over 95% of the list.


        Just a few thoughts...

--
Pat
 _____________________________Think For Yourself______________________________
                 Patrick G. Salsbury <salsbury@sculptors.com>
                     http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/
                           -----------------------
                   I've seen the wiring under the board. ;^)
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Date:         Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:41:47 -0800
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              <GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
From:         Patrick Salsbury <salsbury@BOOTSTRAP.SCULPTORS.COM>
Subject:      Re: subscribing to GEODESIC
In-Reply-To:  <1.5.4.32.19961128213014.00a41c1c@mail.teleport.com> (message
              from Kirby Urner on Thu, 28 Nov 1996 14:30:14 -0700)

-Patrick said GEODESIC is moving to
-
-geodesic@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu (for posting)
-listserv@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu (for commands)
-
-Is it your understanding that this hasn't happened
-yet?  I'll email this to the above posting address
-as a test.
-
-Kirby

        It has moved. So smoothly, I didn't notice until 3 days after the
fact! :-)

        I think mailing to the old address will (for now) forward your
message to the new address, and send a message back to bark at you
reminding you of what the new address is.

        I've also set up an automated semi-monthly announcement to tell
people how to sign on/off of the list. If all goes well, you should see one
appearing on 12/1.

--
Pat
 _____________________________Think For Yourself______________________________
                 Patrick G. Salsbury <salsbury@sculptors.com>
                     http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/
                           -----------------------
      Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious
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From:         tom aagdii <aagdii@DDS.NL>
Subject:      best books..
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1. schrodinger's kittens       john gribbin
2. the new horizon dictionary  john shaw
3.the official sim city        johnny wilson
4.the first pictorial history
  of american oil and gas Industry  ruth knowles
5.symetry throught the eye of a chemist
6.geodesic math
7.constructing the universe     michel schneider
8.a fuller explantion          amy c.edmondson
9.the future of the future     john Mchale
11. no more second hand god    b. fuller


tagdi
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Date:         Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:23:35 -0600
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From:         Brian K Petroski <petroski@FREENET.MSP.MN.US>
Subject:      Re: joe's HTML (and cutting down on email-bloat)
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On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Patrick Salsbury wrote:

> -Fairly soon I will start including actual graphics as
> -attachments to my email, not just pointers.  And later
> -I hope to include graphics in the body of my email
> -(called "in line"), not as attachments.
> -
> -Joe
> -
> -
>         Multimedia email _is_ exciting. It also eats a lot of bandwidth,
> and disk space. (This is how the computer & software manufacturers get you
> to buy new equipment! First you start with email, then move to
> multimedia...What? Not enough disk space? Well, glad you asked! We have a
> new model here...What? Modem's too slow? Well, glad you asked! We have a
> new model here...What? Processor is too slow? Well, glad you asked...)
>
>[snip]
>
>         We're all starting to suffer data overload. I have a hard time
> trying to keep up with the list at all, and currently have 284 messages in
> my GEODESIC mailfolder _alone_. That folder is 1.2Mb of email, and that's
> more space than some people have for their entire _account_. (We were
> allowed 1Mb when I was in school. Teaches you a lot about hitting the 'd'
> key... ;^)  )
>
>         We should aim for quality, not quantity. Otherwise, everyone will
> always be hitting the 'd' key and skipping over 95% of the list.

     I emphatically agree Pat.  Of course I am likely working with the
most limited resources of anyone here.  I am using a text only server
with no graphics capabilities at all so any pictures just come to me as a
jumbled mess.

     A far more critical issue to me is the disk space the pictures
comsume.  On my server I am limited to a total of only 250k for my
personal account.  If I exceed that quota any additional incoming mail
for me gets bounced back to the sender.  Considering how much disk space
a single picture takes up if anyone starts including them here I would
have no choice but to drop from this mailing list.  Receiving pictures to
my e-mail would likely cause me to not receive any other e-mail at all.
I would therefor loose out on ALL the information on this list as I am
unable to access this as a newsgroup through my server. :(





                            Brian Petroski
                     <petroski@freenet.msp.mn.us>
                        Just your stereotypical
                              polysexual,
                               bisexual
                            solitary pagan
                       from St. Paul, Minnesota
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Date:         Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:47:00 -0800
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At 10:37 PM 11/29/96, Patrick Salsbury wrote:
>
> Post the
>URL, and the interested folks will make their way there. (And if you can
>post the URLs together in one posting, even better. And if you can post 1
>URL pointing to your list of URL's, even better! :-) )
>

 i agree with pat's plea, especially the above excerpt about combining a
list of urls rather than posting them separately, a point i've previously
tried to make myself.

--danu