From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 12 18:50:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from acsu.buffalo.edu (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.57]) by linux00.LinuxForce.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with SMTP id g8CMoNL2011122 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:50:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200209122250.g8CMoNL2011122@linux00.LinuxForce.net> Received: (qmail 10192 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 22:26:04 -0000 Received: from listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 22:26:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:26:04 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Buffalo (1.8d)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9612" To: Chris Fearnley Status: RO Content-Length: 339407 Lines: 8257 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 10:40:38 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Dunaj Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Subject: Re: Software Licensing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy Lewis wrote: > > This MAY be effective for future software created with ToolBook but I don't > see the legal basis for changing a past contract. Do they make a legal > argument? > > >Hi, I need help to understand off-the-shelf software licensing. Suppose 4 > >years back you bought X software which happens to be an authoring tool. > >You checked the licensing agreement and created X++ software using X > >software. > > > >Today, the software company has decided to change their licensing > >agreement. All of a sudden you find that your investment of software, > >hardware, time and aspirations all vanish overnight so to speak because > >they have made your X++ software illegal. > > > >Question: Can a software company selling a off-the-shelf development tool > >change its licensing agreement so drastically? If Microsoft and Borland > >were to announce that they have both decided to change their licensing > >agreement so that the EXE and DLL you created with C/C++ will require you > >to pay them a royalty fee if you want to distribute them; will you > >accept? Is this kind of action legally enforceable. > > > >Thank you for your reply. Please do not send your reply via private > >e-mail. The software X in question is Asymetrix ToolBook. However, they > >have an exception which is Express Author from IAT. Asymetrix claimed > >that Express Author is legal because IAT is their business partner cum > >authorized training centre. Can Asymetrix use this excuse to decide > >whether a software is legal while another is illegal. Asymetrix's general > >counsel is Steven Esau . > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Andrew Lewis > > Mission Critical, Inc. > voice: 608-233-8000 > fax: 608-233-9700 > e-mail: alewis@msn.fullfeed.com > WWW: http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~alewis/ With the business ethics of today I.E. NONE. They will. They have deeper pockets than you. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 04:19:24 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Bono Organization: HiLINE Internet Services, Inc. Subject: Dome 4.6 for Macintosh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello All! Many thanks to Marc St-Jean for compiling and testing DOME 4.6 on 68k & PowerPC Apple Macintosh systems. DOME is freeware and is available at http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/html/domes.html Hope to see many great things soon from MacDOME users! Rick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 07:03:24 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: amdomehead@AOL.COM Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING CAR Joe, Is this car road-worthy, (street legal) ? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 23:22:43 +0100 Reply-To: Meeënheide@ping.be, 83A@ping.be, B3600@ping.be, Genk@ping.be, Belgium@ping.be Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tognon Marco Subject: Re: joe's HTML (and cutting down on email-bloat) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helo friends, We all saw this message and I think it is good to react on it. Maybe Joe has a ISDN (64KBit or more) line, but we have to be happy if our 28.8 modems deliver that amount of bits... So, Joe, Insert the URL and We decide if the picture is worth a go. Downloading a 1 MEG picture takes about 40 minutes, when everything is well. I will not be happy, and numerous others, if we have to wait for your pictures to download. I have to say that the many URL's you gave us where good. Thanks for that. Before attaching these pictures, ask around. Thanks and cheers, Marco > > -Quite often I will just copy directly from the browser > -page into the body of an email post. If there is some > -kind of a graphic (picture, gif anim, video, > -movie, sound, etc), the graphic will be replaced by a > -<______> with a description of the graphic, such as > -. The graphic is not actually included in > -the email; you would have to go to that actual web > -page to see the graphic. But at least you would know > -that there IS a graphic, if you were interested. > - > -Fairly soon I will start including actual graphics as > -attachments to my email, not just pointers. And later > -I hope to include graphics in the body of my email > -(called "in line"), not as attachments. > - > -I think multimedia mail is exciting! > - > -Joe > - ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 19:28:31 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: GEODESIC supports searching Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey there! Just noticed that our GEODESIC list (currently 175 subscribers) is better archived than ever via http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/geodesic.html (am in the process of rewiring the bfi.org archives.html page with the new URL. The new archive is keyword searchable, including by author email address. This may be old news to some of you. Someday, Synergetics-L will be searchable in this way. In the meantime, you have to download megs to your local drive and search with a personalized version of Alta Vista (yes Bonnie, it's now available -- you talked about this months ago having read about it in the NYT -- and no, I haven't tried it yet). Kirby BFI webmaster Note: easy to see how the author of the posting below (me) would three years later come to write such as 'Brainstorming on BuckyWorks' (http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/bworks.html) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 22:22:36 PDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 4D Solutions Subject: 4D Lives! Greetings "buckyophiles"! My second upload in as many hours. This is my first attempt at RoboUploading. I composed this offline, saved it as TELIX.UPL, and then told my Norton Scheduler to trigger the process. If all went well, I sat sipping coffee while the logon/upload/logoff took place without my lifting a finger. Application: next time maybe I'll let the computer do it in my sleep (while I sleep that is). Being a computophile, I understand why Fuller's vision was to mass-assemble domiciles like we mass-assemble computers. They come as clones (hey, the boxes do too, if you hadn't noticed), with lots of "expansion slots", like customize your own from aftermarket catalogs of products. We'd have not just 110V sockets around the walls but data plugs, video plugs. God, Mary Daly would smirk for my being such a typically male plugophile! (cite: Websters' First New Intergalactic Wickedary). People who like "This Old House" and the old way of pfutzing around, doing carpentry and caulking etc. can still keep their boxes. I'd rather be buying more RAM for my solar-powered dish-downloader, or buying the latest EnergyWise software upgrade to better control my energy use (turns off lights when motion sensors detect no motion for 10 mins!). I want to get into that supercompact Japanese everything-folds-into -everything origami kind of aesthetic, where ads me with the latest no-waste, recyclable, ecosmart items that also automate, cybernate and cut down on my need to cerebrate about what I after all could automate. As Bucky was fond of pointing out, Universe is 99.99% automatic, beyond our conscious control. Technophobes who shout about humans wanting to speed up and robotize everything forget that nature's default/preferred speed is the speed of light (faster than a speeding bullet), and sophisticated electronics began with worms, nanotechnology with fullerenes. Nature is technosmart beyond our wildest imagined abilities! -- Kirby from his 1920s Portland box via his new CyperSpacey RoboUploader ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 21:41:20 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian K Petroski Subject: Re: joe's HTML (and cutting down on email-bloat) In-Reply-To: <32A20533.62C6@ping.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 1 Dec 1996, Tognon Marco wrote: > Helo friends, > > We all saw this message and I think it is good to react on it. > > Maybe Joe has a ISDN (64KBit or more) line, but we have to be happy if > our 28.8 modems deliver that amount of bits... > Some of us are on more limited budgets where computer upgrades are not a high priority. I'm still on a 386 with a 14.4 modem. Some of the pictures I've seen posted in newsgroups wouldn't even fit in my computer's memory even if I did take the time to download them! Brian Petroski Just your stereotypical polysexual, bisexual solitary pagan from St. Paul, Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:53:05 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "J.P. Morere" Subject: Re: joe's HTML (and cutting down on email-bloat) > >[snip] (And if you can > >post the URLs together in one posting, even better. And if you can post 1 > >URL pointing to your list of URL's, even better! :-) ) > > i agree with pat's plea, especially the above excerpt about combining a > list of urls rather than posting them separately, a point i've previously > tried to make myself. > > --danu I agree with the above sentiment: I would like to see a list of URLs compiled for a day or few, then posted as one message - make it a lot easier on many of us (on-line time, fewer messages to sift through ...) I do have to say also: Thanks Joe, for some really interesting URLs to browse around.. J.P. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 23:35:53 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Preview a curriculum for tomorrow, today, at Synergetics on the Web Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Preview a curriculum for tomorrow, today, at Synergetics on the Web! ----------------- Artfully presented and designed, Kirby Urner's Synergetics on the Web is one of the finest and most cohesive Web sites yet created on any subject. Synergetics is Fuller's approach to replacing the standard mathematical coordinate system in geometry. He thought synergetics could properly chart the universe and, in essence, map how God thought. Urner's explanation of the subject matter is first rate here, as he discusses the subject describing synergetics a "geometry of lumps in which even points occupy volume, however infinitesimal." Each of the articles here are hotlinked to other related source material covering everything from Euclid and Euler to tetrahedrons. http://www.ibm.net/tw/archive/090396.html ----------------- When you take Synergetics and GST [general systems theory] together, you get a formidable set of concepts that should allow us to impact degree- granting programs in several disciplines, and help get more of the Fuller syllabus, with hyperlinks to lots of work by other writers, raised to 'required reading' status. If this interim goal is accomplished, then it will be far easier to broadcast the news that humanity has the option to revector its considerable energetic resources in service of a new set of storyboards, wherein the futuristic lifestyle options such as you and I envision, both for Africa and elsewhere, become a living possibility in more people's minds. http:www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/docs/planning.html ----------------- The archetypal resonance of pure number, coupled with pure conceptuality in the form of primitive polytopes, brings new rationality and streamlining simplicity our language. By anchoring system in a matrix containing a wealth of simple whole number relationships connecting systems thinking with topology and geometry, we work with the grain of the curriculum as a whole. The geodesic sphere becomes a picture of conceptual system even as our conceptual system finds a new place for archetypal geometry at its core. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/system.html ----------------- Does this mean the noble ideals of Freedom and Democracy, fundamental to the rhetoric of USA institutions, are destined to fade away? Humanity cannot afford this option. An army of literally soulless corporations, endowed with immortality, human rights, and the power to limit the liability of their shareholder creators, stalk the planet, consuming its resources with little thought for the future. People with the power to challenge these goliaths might form one global network, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. USA iconography and the republican ideals for which it stands might carry over into cyberspace for use by the pioneers of a newly democratic operating system -- or call it USA OS. Log in, and ask not what cyberspace can do for you, but what you can do for cyberspace. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/usaos.html ---------------- Synergetics is a geometric vision pumped full of as much significance as possible. Getting all experiences to mean something in terms of geometry might seem undoable at first, but the tack is to get a view of thinking itself, to present the thinking process in terms of a geometric model. By thinking about thinking in terms of geometry, all thought content is thereby brought within its scope. The synergetics model of thinking is derived by analogy to the electro- magnetic spectrum. It helps that we already have a vernacular wherein like-minded people are "on the same wavelength" and wherein ideas get "tuned in". In synergetics, the brain is the metaphorical "TV transceiver" wherein sense-relayed programs are presented to experience. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/omnihalo.html ----------------- In fact, expanding enrollment in the "knowledge worker" sector is what will allow us to use global distance education circuits to channel inventory to work-study programs in the field. The global university metaphor serves to overlay the economy, one map among many. Our starving students, quite literally starving, need better access to work-study curricula that will net them the kinds of goods and services needed to complete their courses. That our students are starving en masse right now serves as testament to the weakness of our curriculum, the insufficiency of our syllabi, the poverty of our language and imaginations. Seen through these lenses, our concern should be less with voting the bums out and more with updating our textbooks -- or discarding them for curricula on the net. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/gstwork.html ----------------- Western science originally portraryed race and class as characteristics of a person's blood which, as such, could be subdivided in proportion to a person's ancestry, "blood" being treated as a mathematical quantity, contributed in equal proportions by one's parents. Hence such terms as "octamaroon" (one eighth black). Whereas "class" is no longer regarded as a genetic entity, "race" has remained a popular concept for grouping genetic characteristics, even if the link to blood is no longer made. Like anthropologist Ashley Montague, Fuller felt the concept of "race" had outlived its usefulness, that the cross-breeding of the world's people, especially evident in North America, was exposing the old racial categories as mere snap-shots of genetic traits thrown together by the exigencies of time, but available in any number of permutations from that vast grab bag of traits known as the human gene pool. In the Fuller lexicon, a racist is perhaps most straightfowardly defined as someone who believes in races. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/terms.html ----------------- Bottom line: I think new invention in Language will permit the emergence of new forms of human collaboration that is less Babel-like by many orders of magnitude. We might actually start getting some real work done, in a dramatic change for the better, instead of wheel-spinning idly while watching the sun go down. I don't look to political discourse to lead the way, but to the everyday communications of ordinary human beings concerned and engaged with the challenges before them. I look to computerized networking, to our free-wheeling e-lists. The first step is to see the Sea of Ignorance in which we toss, and then for each one of us to place a hand firmly on the tiller, to "take control" even when we do not see the results of our efforts. Causation is no simple matter in the real world. Of course every sailor knows that "control" is a relative term on the high seas, and humility before Nature is another meaning of sanity. Humans live and die by the same rules as stars and moons. Steering is not an experience of "forcing" but of keeping an open heart and mind in the faith that a way ahead will open. The future is not up to "powers that be" if that means anyone but you and me. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/politics.html ----------------- Synergetics on the Web, over 11,000 hits since March 1996 ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 21:24:14 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Hyperlinks: Alliance & Bucky Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hyperlinks between The Alliance for Democracy (Poplism 1990s) and R. Buckminster Fuller (top of the recommended reading list). Kirby 4D Solutions ----------------- November 25, 1996 NEW YORK TIMES Texas Meeting Seeks a Rebirth of Populism By SAM HOWE VERHOVEK [H] UNT, Texas -- In 1877, a group of poor and angry farmers gathered in the hill country of Texas, vowing to fight the banks, railroads and other "monied interests." It was the spark that set off the Populist movement, a network of cooperatives and political action that grew into one of the largest democratic insurgencies in the nation's history. Invoking that same spirit and directing their ire at modern forces like health-insurance companies and entertainment conglomerates, some 250 unabashedly left-leaning activists from 32 states met here in the hill country this weekend for the founding convention of what they pledged would be a populist alliance for the 21st century, "a new national force to end the corporate rule of America." Just how significant this new movement will become is anybody's guess, though 45 local "alliances" -- most urban-based and committed to projects like gardening cooperatives, protests against NAFTA and "sweatshop watch" programs -- have quietly sprouted around the country in the last 15 months. See also: http://www.igc.org/alliance/ ------------------------------- >From http://www.igc.org/alliance/biblio.htm Books on related issues recommended by various Alliance members (but not officially endorsed by The Alliance): CyberLib's Recommended Reading List 25 February 1996 Fuller, R Buckminster, _Grunch of Giants_ (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1983) Bucky departs from his usual apolitical technology endeavors, and analyzes global corporate hegemony. Fuller, R Buckminster, _Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth_ (New York: Pocket Books, Simon & Schuster, 1970) Bucky's system view of world history shines forth, as he exposes the British Empire as bit of a hoax -- the "White Man's Burden" being a ruse to enlist the British people in making the world safe for the East India Company (dubbed the "Great Pirates".) Especially interesting is his analysis of pre-radio navies, and the problem of distributed control. He traces the invention of academic specialization, as a way of preventing technologists from achieving ascendancy over capital. He describes how Elizabeth I's dabbling in international shipping led the to corporate form in England, as a way to avoid financial responsibility. Lots of good stuff packed into a very small volume. ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:59:15 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Deming/bfi approach Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd be interested in reading stuff by authors knowledgable about both Deming's and Bucky's writings which offers some picture, perhaps only a sketch, of what the synergy might look like, plus a synopsis of each body of work taken individually, with an eye towards making the blend. I'm not suggesting that authors dump their slaved-over magnum opi into the public domain, just thumbnail cameos would be sufficient. I'm well versed in the Fuller Syllabus don't don't know diddly about Deming. Looking at the website below didn't reveal a whole lot in the short time I browsed, other than that resources exist for those willing to dig. At this point, I'm more interested in seeing what others, already competent in this material, can tell us about the potential convergence here. One thing I'll say is I'm not really worried about Bucky's stuff needing to piggy back on some other vehicle to reach its target audience. The Fuller School may be small, but it is not lacking in talent, nor in friends in high places. True, we want to share Bucky with a huge audience of folks who are right now only dimly aware, if at all, of what Fuller was up to. But in terms of implementing key design science strategies, that's already happening, big time. Kirby 4D Solutions bpaton@inforamp.net. (bill paton) wrote: >I came across some interesting information about Bucky and Richard Deming >on Steve Brant's website: > >http://www.trimtab.com > >This led me to the following links about Richard Deming who has very >similar interests and ideas as Bucky. > > >http://deming.clemson.edu > >http://deming.eng.clemson.edu/pub/den/ > >I think these links are relevant not only because of the similarity to >Bucky's ideas, but also they are along the lines that I think the BFI >should go to have Bucky's message get across effectively. > >I would be interested in what others think about this and if people would >be interested in starting something along these lines regarding Bucky. > >-- >Bill Paton --Solutioneer >bpaton@inforamp.net >THE DIRECTOR'S TEMPLATE >http://www.inforamp.net/~bpaton ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 21:31:26 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: why dogs play fetch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "C. J. Monahan" wrote: >"Only Humans play "deceive yourself and you can fool the world"; or "I know >what it's all about"; or "Life is just chemistry"; and "We humans invented >and are running the world." Dogs play "Fetch it" to please their masters, >not to deceive themselves. The most affectionate of dogs do not play >"Burial of our dead" or "Chemistry is for real." Only humans play the game >of masks and monuments. Fictional history. Historical architecture. Crab >walk sideways; but only human society keeps its eyes on the past as it >backs into the future. Madison Avenue aesthetics and ethics. Comic strips >and cartoons . . truly emergent, laughing at self-deception . . . momentary >fleeting glimpses of glory, inadvertently revealed through faithful >accuracy of observation - lucid conceptioning - spoken of as the music of >the stars, inadequate to the mystery of integrity." > - R. Buckminster Fuller, Synergetics (1975), 1025.11 Good one! Synergetics 1024.25 in my edition. Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:09:54 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Bucky & StarTrek: First Contact Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Brant wrote: >I highly recommend you see the new movie, Star Trek: First Contact, >because it predicts what I believe to be a key element of Bucky's vision >- the elimination of money as the basis for the world's economic system. > Given your focus on exploring the school uniform option in the New York area, you might see connect-the-dots potential vis-a-vis Star Trek, where Federation Science types where their uniforms with pride. Remember that juror in the news who got kicked off by the judge, not because she showed up for jury duty in a Star Trek uniform day after day, but because she finally broke down and decided to tell the press what it was about: conveying the message that this positive future environment, where 'bettering ourselves' takes priority over amassing space junk, is where we want to go today (listening Microsoft?). I'm not sure about kids giving up their uniforms for new ones -- jeans and leather jackets etc. have their sex appeal. But I can see where dress codes fit in, from gang ID to military rank within hierarchical pyramids (I see some women at the top!). The Fuller School definitely has some iconography to go with its texts. Lots of sea serpents 'n stuff. Vaguely Vulcan perhaps, or maybe along the lines of that Nora Slatkin outfit on CBS the other night. Nice. Elegant. Yours, Kirby 4D Solutions ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:55:20 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING CAR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I understand it, yes. Why don't you browse their website (I don't have their URL at my fingertips at the moment). Or you could email them directly. ---------- > From: amdomehead@AOL.COM > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING CAR > Date: Saturday, November 30, 1996 11:03 PM > > Joe, > Is this car road-worthy, (street legal) ? > .- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:23:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: URLS, PICS, ETC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everybody, It is becoming very obvious to me that I need to establish my own web site whether I want to or not. Therefore, I have decided to try to set up my own web site if I can learn how to create and upload webpages to my provider's hard drive. I've chosen to use Microsoft's FrontPage97 software and 1 meg of disk space comes with my basic subscription. I will post the proposed outline of my site's content in a separate email. Bravely stumbling into the future, Joe ============================ Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:30:10 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: syn-l: New version of Syn-l Info MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Kirby Urner > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: syn-l: New version of Syn-l Info > Date: Sunday, December 01, 1996 8:44 PM > > FYI, this is the blurb that goes to all new subscribers to > this list. A few changes since the last version. > > Kirby > > -- > BACKGROUND INFORMATION > > SYNERGETICS-L is a list for the discussion of R. Buckminster > Fuller's Synergetic Geometry. > > For Fuller, Synergetics was embedded in the context of a design > science revolution which, within a decade of its inception, could > launch humanity on a sustainable evolutionary path with high > living standards for all aboard Spaceship Earth. So jumping back > and forth between Synergetics and its applications and related > individual initiatives is not out of bounds. > > For example, threads around design science projects, such as > STRUCK for creating and exploring elastic interval geometry, > related to tensegrity, and DOME for outputting VRML, CAD and > ray-tracable geodesic domes, also intertwine. > > SYNERGETICS-L has been archived since December 1995 (earlier > materials, manually collated by Karl Erickson may have been > added by now). You will find a link to these downloadable > archives via http://www.bfi.org/synergetica. No automatic > facility is yet provided for searching/retrieving old posts. > > List Owner: Kirby Urner, pdx4d@teleport.com > > Primary books: > > RBF = R. Buckminster Fuller > EJA = Ed Applewhite > > RBF/EJA Synergetics: explorations in the geometry of thinking. > Macmillan Publishing Co., 1975. > ISBN 0-02-065320-4 > or ISBN 0-02-541870-X (v.1) > Q295.F84 > > RBF/EJA Synergetics 2, Macmillan Publishing Co., 199 > ISBN 0-02-541880-7 (v.2) > Q295.F84 (includes index to both volumes) > > Many additional relevant published materials, such as the EJA's > Synergetics Dictionary (4 volumes), posthumous book Cosmography > edited by Kiyoshi Kuromiya, Fuller on audiotape may be tracked > down using the resources listed below. > > Another list with broad-ranging discussions of Fuller's work, > with a focus on geodesic domes is: > > geodesic@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu > > Subscribe with a message: SUBSCRIBE GEODESIC > sending to: listserv@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu > > This list is mirrored as a newsgroup: bit.listserv.geodesic > > GEODESIC, like SYNERGETICS-L, has a web-based archive > accessible via BFI at http://www.bfi.org/archives.html. > This archives is keyword searchable. > > The World Wide Web provides a wealth of Fuller-related pages. > You might want to start with the Buckminster Fuller Institute > home page at http://www.bfi.org/ and explore from there. IBM > provided reviews of some Bucky-related sites as of September, > 1996 at http://www.ibm.net/tw/archive/090396.html. > > Querying the search engines re "Synergetics" "Buckminster > Fuller" and "Geodesic Dome" will also give you lots of pages to > check out. > > You may retrieve the latest version of this information sheet > (updated infrequently) at any time by sending the message: > > INFO synergetics-l > END > > To: majordomo@teleport.com (or listserv@teleport.com) > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ > > .- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:43:28 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Re: Preview a curriculum for tomorrow, today, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Does this mean the noble ideals of Freedom and Democracy, fundamental to the >rhetoric of USA institutions, are destined to fade away? Humanity cannot >afford this option. An army of literally soulless corporations, endowed >with immortality, human rights, and the power to limit the liability of >their shareholder creators, stalk the planet, consuming its resources >with little thought for the future. People with the power to challenge >these goliaths might form one global network, under God, indivisible, with >liberty and justice for all. USA iconography and the republican ideals for >which it stands might carry over into cyberspace for use by the pioneers of >a newly democratic operating system -- or call it USA OS. Log in, and ask >not what cyberspace can do for you, but what you can do for cyberspace. I fully support the idea of a global, principle-based OS. However, I think that the corporate sector can be included in the final result. Look at how Disney just stood up to China's demand that they not release their film about the Dali Lama. GM was just recognized by BusinessEthics magazine for their commitment to recyling packaging materials. (You can also read about GM's plans for marketing their new electric car through their Saturn dealers in this week's BusinessWeek magazine.) I know this may sound strange, but I can imagine a scenario in which the business community becomes a strong ally in the quest to create a world that works for everyone. For more on the beginning of this thinking, check out Business for Social Responsibility at http://www.bsr.org - Steve Steve Brant Trimtab Management Systems 81 Ocean Parkway, Suite 3H Brooklyn, NY 11218-1754 "Charting new routes to the 21st Century" (718) 972-0949 (voice) (718) 972-3465 (fax) sbrant@trimtab.com http://www.trimtab.com (beta Web Site now on-line) -------------------------------------------------- "Only integrity is going to count..." - R. Buckminster Fuller -------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:11:07 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Re: Deming/bfi approach Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In response to the following from Kirby. . . > >I'd be interested in reading stuff by authors knowledgable about >both Deming's and Bucky's writings which offers some picture, >perhaps only a sketch, of what the synergy might look like, >plus a synopsis of each body of work taken individually, with >an eye towards making the blend. > >I'm not suggesting that authors dump their slaved-over magnum >opi into the public domain, just thumbnail cameos would be >sufficient. > >I'm well versed in the Fuller Syllabus don't don't know diddly >about Deming. Looking at the website below didn't reveal a whole >lot in the short time I browsed, other than that resources exist >for those willing to dig. At this point, I'm more interested in >seeing what others, already competent in this material, can >tell us about the potential convergence here. . . .there are no articles or books that I am aware of that discuss the potential synergy that exists between Bucky and Deming. Robert Kiyosaki, who specializes in "Accelerated Learning" and is very concerned about childresn' education, did a 1-hour talk on education at John Denver's Windstar Foundation's annual conference 5 or 6 years ago. He mentioned both Bucky and Deming in his talk. A video of this talk was sold at the conference and may still be available. I have begun to write on the subject (or write on various subjects in which I show how their work applies), and their two philosophies underpin much of my own work. I can e-mail an article I wrote on "Reinventing the United Nations" to anyone who would like to read an example of what I'm talking about. The article runs approximately 1000 words. - Steve Steve Brant Trimtab Management Systems 81 Ocean Parkway, Suite 3H Brooklyn, NY 11218-1754 "Charting new routes to the 21st Century" (718) 972-0949 (voice) (718) 972-3465 (fax) sbrant@trimtab.com http://www.trimtab.com (beta Web Site now on-line) -------------------------------------------------- "Only integrity is going to count..." - R. Buckminster Fuller -------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:52:14 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. Subject: Re: joe's HTML (and cutting down on email-bloat) Joe writes: > -Fairly soon I will start including actual graphics as > -attachments to my email, not just pointers. And later > -I hope to include graphics in the body of my email > -(called "in line"), not as attachments. > - > -I think multimedia mail is exciting! > - > -Joe Yes, we live in very exciting times... I'm glad the technology is working so well for Joe. I, however, regret to say that, if attached graphics start coming in through the e-mail gateway to my workplace, I will be obliged to unsubscribe to this listserv... while email has not been a burden, it would not be fair to make the company I work for carry the cost for the increased email activity that the frequent transfer of large MIMEs and binhexes would bring with it. I understand Joe's feelings... and agree with them. However, the reason I subscribe to this email list is PRECISELY because it is an EMAIL LIST... meaning text-based info with low bandwidth requirements. When I want to browse the Web, I dialup our ISP and get a PPP connection and use Netscape or Cyberdog. Technological developments notwithstanding, I think it will be a shame if email doesn't remain a low-resource alternative to the multimedia of the World Wide Web. In any case, whatever you decide... and it's been great listening in. J. Michael Rowland 800-899-0021 voice ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:54:58 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Greg Mills Subject: Re: Fw: syn-l: New version of Syn-l Info In-Reply-To: <9612020927.aa21391@inside.cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Subscribe with a message: SUBSCRIBE GEODESIC > sending to: listserv@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu Yes, but how does one UNsubscribe. I have been sending an "unsubscribe" command to the above listserv address and what I get back is a message explaining that GEODESIC is a privately modearted group and thus the Buffalo listserv can't get me off the lsit. (No offense Kirby. I was hoping for a little more about Fuller's media theory and I don't think I'll be building a dome any time soon. But the posting have been an education and a window on to a different way of approaching some very serious problems. I commend all of you for your thoughtful exploration and dynamic scholarship.) Thank you, Greg Mills ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:43:32 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Menu user Organization: University Library Utrecht Subject: Re: VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING CAR Comments: cc: wholesys-l@netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit general patterns means general and not in details; they are easily integrated to each other, they inform the learner about the state of the system and to the larger system and to the whole. specialization go into groves that shines inside but not outside of the boundries; a scientist is elightend in this grove, but usualy does not like neither epistemology nore philosphy. acuses general learning to be unscientific, scientests are liable to be criticisized as much as philosphers, they do not have inaliable rights, or a last word on reality. they have usualy no interest in the meaning of reality, their grove, like a black hole, is a dead end. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 05:58:34 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: design science, GST, economics, 4D etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: design science, GST, economics, 4D etc. An HTML version of this letter, with hyperlinks, is now a part of my website -- provides useful overview from a personal perspective. See: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/docs/planning.html This letter has gotten some good reviews e.g.: "Thank you for sharing...Nice! Elegant!" John R. Wish, Visiting Professor, Economics Lewis and Clark College "...when I glance at your letter Kirby I got electrified. You seem to be the bunch of people I was searching for." Dr. Heiner Benking, Club of Budapest Kirby 4D Solutions http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ------------------- 11-29-96 Dr. Richard Meier Univeristy of California Department of City and Regional Planning Dear Dick -- Thanks for your booklet (Information Technology for Development: Africa, UC Berkeley, 1996) which came in the mail today. I think dad's chosen focus, under your tutelege among others, of Urban Planning, when that discipline was still emerging via the University of Chicago and Harvard, predisposed me to adopting a big picture viewpoint early on. Walking through dad's offices in Italy, I was always impressed by the number of maps and charts of huge land areas, color coded to suggest future growth according to some rational scheme -- in this case maps of Libya. And lets not forget the numerous family slide shows of aerial photographs of the Libyan desert. So I began early on to take for granted that we humans were responsible for our own futures at this big picture level, thinking fifty or more years into the future as clearly as feasible, sketching storyboards for succeeding generations to ponder and elaborate upon. On the other hand, mom's Quaker-informed mysticism balanced the need to plan ahead with the sense that if we remain attentive to our own innermost gyroscopes, a positive way ahead will reveal itself, these gyroscopes being more attuned to eternal principles than the sum of our stored up experiences to date. So it seems natural, in retrospect, that I would find Bucky Fuller's perspective so resonant with my own, informed as mine is by parental example. Here was a big picture 'plan ahead' type with a spiritual bent, the last New England Transcendentalist (some would label him) with an interest in Ekistics. Bucky encouraged humans to think and talk big about their responsibilities, but also to remain humble in the face of the superior design integrity of nature, which, he felt, is intent upon making humans a success, our spiritual preoccupation with teleological concerns being part of our natural endowment as a species with access to eternal principles. Of course each of us has an individual journey to work out; I'm more than simply the sum of what's gone into my psycho- logical makeup. I've got my own mission to fulfill. These days, that has to do with Project Renaissance, as I call it, which I started writing about in the 1980s, while still at the Center for Urban Education, a nonprofit providing tech support, mostly around computers, to other nonprofits. Project Renaissance is about public/private partnerships in the days when Grunch has more than the latest military designs to chew on. Sure we can knock out yet another faster, cooler fighter jet than the world has ever seen, maybe some star wars ray guns 'n stuff too. But this under utilizes our design capabilities. Our aerospace engineers would love some new challenges, ala your comsat cluster info-pods for Africa, for example, over and above the same old killingry stuff, which is intensely boring compared to some of the storyboards we could be working on, minus the political pressure to always furnish more of the same. 'Grunch' by the way, is Bucky's coin for 'buncha giants' (the corporations), and also an acronym for 'gross universal cash heist.' In Bucky's view, the synergies stemming from the combined megatrends in computerization and networking would shift the 'space program' away from its narrow focus on probing the solar neighborhood, and expand it to encompass our home base, Spaceship Earth. This shift would involve reinvestment of currency assets in new storyboards, hence the heisting of all the cash by supranational corporations, with or without the assistance of yesteryear's cash-sourcing national sovereign- ties, which latter the Grunch now works to sponsor within scenarios largely of its own devising. That same public/private symbiosis which brought us our currently high standards of living owing to 'spin offs' aimed at taking us into space, via the Apollo and Soyuz programs, would operate anew, with private enterprises moving to converge their R&D efforts within the public sector, tooling up to tackle the severe life support system challenges now facing our biosphere, with advanced artifact-based solutions. The new tools, combined with ever-creative human adaptability, will inspire and encourage many new ecosystem-aware lifestyle options which we cannot now predict, but which we can assume with some confidance will be less destructive and counter- productive than our own. As always, we wish the best for our children, and their children, for generations to come. The public sector is the place to prototype and demo, the 'school of hard knocks' in which to stress new systems to their limits. Systems that have proved their robustness in the field then become commercial sector goods, backed with the tech support and replacement part warrantees won from the hard work of prototyping on the front lines. This is not a new model. It describes how many civilian technologies came into being, including modern medicine, with the public sector military serving in the proving ground, in the global warfare 'theaters' of tragic death and destruction. In the next chapter, we need to tackle the root causes of war directly and proactively, rather than waiting for our collective inattention to ecosystem realities to provoke us into brutish and inappropriate responses to our global situation, which is still far from hopeless. The Apollo program took some of the critical path planning developed by the Navy during WWII and adapted it to quasi-civilian purposes, along with a lot of the rocket science and avionics knowledge gained from that war. As a kid growing up in the Apollo Era, I could absorb the imagery of high tech competence, of mission control and orbital spacecraft, minus the military decals and overtly destructive targeting that would have made such fantasies ideologically less acceptable to our Quaker family. Given the space program, I could realistically dream of a positive future minus nightmarish visions of explosives detonating in populated areas, although I was not especially lacking in the stereotypical boyhood fascination with high energy events. Of course despite Apollo, the specter of nuclear holocaust never left us, nor the reality of helicopter gunships, land mines, tank warfare, napalm and all the rest of it. My relatively privileged life to date has been against a world backdrop of terror, combined with the profligate spread of high tech weaponry to any clients with ready cash, a harbinger of more of the same, or worse, to come. Now that I'm on the other side of several years of expensive education, some of the best curriculum on tap, and had a chance to find my ecological niche in the computer world, get into raising a family and so on, I'm able to look back on my boyhood and think about my hopes and concerns of that time. I was worried about overpopulation for example. In the 8th grade I did an independent study project for Fred Craden, my sociology teacher, on the Club of Rome research, and their computer modeling. My dad's Futurist magazine was a primary source. I was not, at that time, tuned in to Fuller. I was a big fan of Isaac Asimov's all through high school, both of his fiction and nonfiction, and managed to hear him speak live when I got to Princeton. His line was similar to yours: give women more opportunities to prosper outside their traditional roles and watch living standards improve for everyone (although he wasn't especially hopeful that this would occur). Bucky had a similar revelation at some point, and pushed for the passage of the ERA. He dedicated his 'Grunch of Giants' to three women, in recognition of the dawning of this new era of coequal partnership versus patriarchal dominance. If we can manage to bring high technology into the domestic scene more successfully, in service of those human needs traditionally of central concern to women, e.g. child care, early education, health care, day to day operations of the family, we'll be short circuiting the obsolete system of reaping these benefits only as the sidebar results of military sector R&D, traditionally of central concern to men. Fuller's suite of prototypes was about freeing humans from both drudgery and from enslavement within systems depending on the indebtedness of the many to the few. He placed a lot of emphasis on what he considered an innate human drive to demonstrate competence, to shine against some dramatic backdrop in various interesting plot lines. So he wasn't worried about higher living standards resulting in a lot of laziness and ugliness. Lifestyle ugliness is more a result of hopelessness and a lost sense of participating in a worthwhile storyline. Against the backdrop of the world as a whole going to hell, finding worthwhile storylines is indeed an uphill battle, and we suffer many casualties along the way, in both the military and civilian sectors. By providing new 'theater props' of direct relevance to the domestic scene, and against a back drop of working to make humans a global success, we are refocusing our considerable talents on providing the kinds of life support needed to avert future warfare, thereby revitalizing a sense of mission, in a positive feedback cycle that should spiral us out of much of the apathy and narrow-focus thinking that keeps so many of us feeling powerless and disengaged. Given this more direct focus on livingry, the Grunch will be freed of some of its tax obligations, as it shifts more R&D into the public sector, in lieu of underwriting redundant and inefficient bandaid-style programs administered from Washington DC and other such seat-of-government centers. Real solutions don't necessarily require lawyer-politicians to design and appropriate funds for them. What this looks like in practice is more local control and participation, more democracy, and more options to invest personal income in local solutions, versus mailing it off to some nebulous entity riddled with black holes wherein time/energy receipts tend to unaccountably disappear. This doesn't mean people will retreat into obsessive concern with their local scene only, the world be damned. On the contrary, the internet is facilitating both distance education and cyberdollar investment/procurement around the world. The future curriculum will be about dispersing credits and access to appropriate resources in the context of getting on with learning new skills, aquiring new knowledge. The curriculum is also about brainstorming new storyboards, putting up websites to attract funding, and recruiting star players to implement the planned events, thereby reaping whatever rewards for whatever stakeholders and clients. This is a game we can, and do, play at the global level, drawing participants and funding from far away, and dispersing the benefits and newly gained experiences likewise. Bucky called this World Game, given that the various subplots would need to make sense within a more globally operative system of constraints and preferences, which critical feedbacks could be shared and updated routinely via various Fuller Projection data displays. My personal focus is on new curriculum components: general systems theory and 4D geometry. GST provides context for Project Renaissance, presenting this view of the public sector as the logical proving ground for private R&D and eventual commercial market assets. 4D geometry is what's behind a lot of the inventions and structures used by Fuller and others to sketch out positive future storyboards, to provide the presently-attainable props needed to stage "humans make a success of themselves" versus "humans bomb and/or overcrowd themselves into oblivion." On the GST front, I've taken up a strategy of positioning this discipline as competition for Economics. Economists are always saying how healthy competition is good for business overall, if not always for this or that particular business. GST agrees, and notices that Economics, the discipline, has established quasi-monopolistic hegemony over how to best conceptualize about providing life support and other basic survival issues. GST is therefore planning to give Economics a run for its money, suggesting that it's time to share turf. This is the kind of potentially constructive interdepartmental warfare that attracts attention in academia and sometimes rouses otherwise bored-to-tears students. The overall impact should be positive, both on economics and on systems theory, which ultimately have a lot to learn from one another. On the 4D geometry front, I've found that computer graphics people are especially receptive to Fuller's 'geometry of lumps' wherein even points occupy volume. For example, ray tracing software needs 'points' to be miniature spheres or relatively small shapes of some kind, if the computed light paths are going to register their presence at all. This is where Fuller was headed with his non-Euclidean definitions of 'point' and 'line' classes and subclasses. None of these basic objects need point back to a conceptual schema wherein 'height, width and depth' need be enshrined as independent 'dimensions', such that one could extend in one of these but not the others. This Cartesian framework and 'dimension' concept has been replaced with a more intuitively based and experientially informed one in 4D geometry where, conceptually speaking, space and its objective occupants are considered volumes. Directed energy enters the picture in vectorial terms, ala Gibbs and Feynman, in conjunction with the 'frequency' concept, which synchronizes pure shape to a special case time/size context, energy having an underlying waveform characteristic, as revealed by quantum phyics. With 'frequency', a purely conceptual cube becomes an actual one, somewhere persisting as a paperweight or cardboard box, having a trajectory relative to various sensing systems -- fast approaching systems having a higher frequency profile, given the Doppler Effect. In 4D geometry, the 4-faced tetrahedron replaces the cube as the topological primitive, as the unit of volume. This doesn't force us to jettison the old 'xyzt' way of doing things, but does provide another foot in the door for phasing new thinking into the curriculum. When you take Synergetics and GST together, you get a formidable set of concepts that should allow us to impact degree-granting programs in several disciplines, and help get more of the Fuller syllabus, with hyperlinks to lots of work by other writers, raised to 'required reading' status. If this interim goal is accomplished, then it will be far easier to broadcast the news that humanity has the option to revector its considerable energetic resources in service of a new set of storyboards, wherein the futuristic lifestyle options such as you and I envision, both for Africa and elsewhere, become a living possibility in more people's minds. Yours, Kirby Urner 4D Solutions Cc: 4D Solutions trackers and backers ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 14:35:42 +0900 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gib Cooper Organization: Tradewinds Bamboo Nursery Subject: Starplate System Does anyone have the manufacturers address and tel., email etc, for the Starplate Building System Connectors Thanks Gib ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:31:56 -0800 Reply-To: webhead@BuildingOnline.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "BuildingOnline: Alan Wickstrom" Organization: BuildingOnline Subject: Re: Dome 4.6 for Macintosh Comments: To: Rick Bono MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ** http://www.BuildingOnline.com ~ A Building Industry Search Engine ** ** 10,000 web site visitors per month, 11,400 files served per day! ** ** Established August 1995 ** Rick, My name is Alan Wickstrom, the webhead at BuildingOnline . 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Subject: Tensegrity & Water Tensegrity Experiment with water I don't know if Bucky wrote anything about Tensegrity in terms of water, but I remember doing an interesting experiment when I was 10 or so which I realize now showed how water could be held in tensegrity form. Take a large coffee tin (or a juice container can work, as long as it holds a fair bit of water). Punch in three or four holes near the bottom with a very thin nail (a finishing nail would do) approximately 1/8" apart ( 2-3mm) and fill it up with water. While the water is draining out, twist the water together by putting your fingers close by and twisting your fingers in the same way you snap your fingers. With practice you should be able to get all of the 3 or 4 streams to be twisted around each other. The water is held in tensegrity against and away from each other. I assume this is what water does in rapids and streams. I am interpreting this as having the water in tensegrity, but I may be completely wrong in my understanding of both water and/or tensegrity. Bill Paton, Solutioneer -- Bill Paton --Solutioneer bpaton@inforamp.net THE DIRECTOR'S TEMPLATE http://www.inforamp.net/~bpaton ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 02:47:33 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Earthballs This may be of interest along the lines of WORLD GAMERS FAIRHAVEN, WA USA Spherical Visions recently introduced the Nightglow Earthball, putting a new spin on their popular Earthball reality globes, the only inflatable globes with cloudforms, representing Earth's essential atmosphere. Featuring glow-in-the-dark cities, the Nightglow Earthball brings a new dimension of realism to the world of global imaging. 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Box 4226 Bellingham WA 98227 \\\|/// \\\|/// \\ - - // \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ( @ @ ) +----oOOo----(_)----oOOo------------------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------+ // Eric James Morris @@@ Spherical Visions // http://spherical.com/earth AND http://www.nas.com/~eric // Tel: 360-671-8108 @@@ Fax: 360-671-9668 // +-----------------Oooo----------------------------------------Oooo-------+ oooO ( ) oooO ( ) ( ) ) / ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \ ( (_/ \_) \_) -- Bill Paton --Solutioneer bpaton@inforamp.net THE DIRECTOR'S TEMPLATE http://www.inforamp.net/~bpaton ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:42:28 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Hyperlinks: Alliance & Bucky In-Reply-To: <329f52c1.10278713@news.teleport.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ------------------------------------------------------------- DE DIGITALE STAD Op Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Kirby Urner schreef: > Hyperlinks between The Alliance for Democracy (Poplism 1990s) and > R. Buckminster Fuller (top of the recommended reading list). > > Kirby > 4D Solutions geodesic and synergetic web pages could, but not necassary file their adreses to the Internet directories under other names, since the subjects of synergetics and geodesic can be many. just a thought, i am not informed about how the directory and web pages work; the listing of number of users for geodesic or synergetics is knowing only one part of the whole. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:57:52 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Fw: syn-l: New version of Syn-l Info In-Reply-To: <9612020927.aa21391@inside.cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII F talks about urban planning in his book education automation , in relation to Boston; he mentioned that to be realistic U.P must be consider internationaly. please list any material conserning international u.b planning. engnieers are limited by condition and requirments of solving design problems, one limitation is time. engneeres know less theortical science, also are osbcure to the public as creative indivisuals. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 07:39:48 +0900 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gib Cooper Subject: Starplate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am a new member of the list but an old dome builder from domebook days. As a bamboo professional for 20 years, I have been aware of the bamboo strut possibilities for a while. One product, the Starplate connector seems to be made to order for use with bamboo. Does anyone have the manufacturer's address and tel. number? I would be interested in hearing about other connectors that are cheap and may work well with bamboo. Thanks Gib /H\\H H //H H /H \ Gib Cooper H\ Voice/Fax: 541-247-0835 /H\\H \ /H H Tradewinds Bamboo Nursery /H bambugib@harborside.com / H HH H\ H\\H\ 28446 Hunter Creek Loop H \ H\H\HH\ H H /H\ Gold Beach, OR 97444 H /H H HH H /H\HH \\ http://www.harborside.com/bamboo/ H H HH\\H\ H HH // H H HH /H H H H ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 08:19:36 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: Starplate System Comments: cc: DOMES _LIST , bambugib@HARBORSIDE.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Starplate Building Systems C/O East-West Design, Inc. P.O.Box 6022 Madison, WI 53716-0022 Info from Popular Science mag articles dated 7-1-85. ----------------------------------------------------- Stromberg's Chicks & Gamebirds P.O. Box 400 Pine River, MN 56474 Contact: Stromberg Tel: 800-720-1134 Tel: 218-587-2222 Fax: - Email: - Notes: $40 for Starplate struts to build a dome shed/greenhouse up to 14' diam Web Page: - Verified: ___ 1995 Info from http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/domes/lists.html ------------------------------------------------- I'm forwarding a copy of this post to the DOME list. If you find more current info would you mind posting it? Thanks. ============================================= > From: Gib Cooper > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Starplate System > Date: Sunday, December 01, 1996 9:35 PM > > Does anyone have the manufacturers address and tel., email etc, for the > Starplate Building System Connectors > > Thanks > > Gib > .- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 08:37:50 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: Deming/bfi approach MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve and Everyone, Please feel free to post to the Geodesic list anything that you think is relevant to the many aspects of Fuller's works. Even though the list itself has only about 175 subscribers, it is gatewayed to the geodesic newsgroup which probably has several thousand readers. Joe ---------- > From: Steve Brant > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Deming/bfi approach > Date: Monday, December 02, 1996 1:11 PM (snip) > I have begun to write on the subject (or write on various subjects in > which I show how their work applies), and their two philosophies underpin > much of my own work. > > I can e-mail an article I wrote on "Reinventing the United Nations" to > anyone who would like to read an example of what I'm talking about. The > article runs approximately 1000 words. > > Steve Brant > Trimtab Management Systems > 81 Ocean Parkway, Suite 3H > Brooklyn, NY 11218-1754 > > (718) 972-0949 (voice) > (718) 972-3465 (fax) > sbrant@trimtab.com > http://www.trimtab.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 22:15:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Combining Deming & Fuller: 1000 word article Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable At Joe Moore's suggestion, I am posting to the list an article I = wrote which combines the thinking of Bucky and Dr. Deming. The = subject: making the United Nations capable of achieving its = originally intended mission. Enjoy! - Steve -----------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------- REINVENTING THE UNITED NATIONS Can the spirit of New York City and quality management's principles help the United Nations exceed its "customer's expectations?" =A9 1995, Steven G. Brant Sometimes I think that, as a quality management professional, I work = in the most remarkable, yet least understood, profession there is. = Other times I think my situation stems from having been born and = raised in New York. Either one could explain why I am predisposed to = coming up with large-scale solutions to problems affecting one aspect = of society or another. If you're interested in improving how organizations work, there is no = better place to go than the quality management profession. Founded = by people such as Dr. W. Edwards Deming and Dr. Joseph M. Juran, it = is a profession dedicated to helping organizations become creative, = team-oriented places to work and to developing "whole systems" = solutions that "grow organizations out of their problems." By the = way, please don't confuse me with those who say that "downsizing" is = the first thing a company should do to become more productive. My = ideas are designed to create jobs. As for my New York background, I've always felt that I was living in = the center of the Universe -- or, at least, the Capital of the World. = Even before Mayor Giuliani started using that phrase, I thought of = New York that way. I'd read that we had the only City Council that = passed resolutions on international issues. I remember people = referring to Mayor Koch as the only mayor in America who had a = "foreign policy." When I worked for the City's Department of = Transportation, I found out that we really did have a foreign = policy. No city contracts were given out to companies with ties to = South Africa. Personally, there are two reasons why I've always felt = New York was the Capital of the World. The first is that more pure = information and experiences are available here than anywhere else. = The second is that we are the home of the United Nations. I have seen stores in New York that sell thousands of magazines. = We've got every kind of museum, educational institution, media, and = performing artist imaginable. Practically every culture on Earth has = its own neighborhood within our five boroughs. For me, however, the = final meeting ground for experiences is our subway system. I've seen = every manner of person thrown together in the same subway car during = rush hour. If you want to come in contact with ideas, if you want to = experience other people (past or present), New York City is the place = for you. My biggest thrill, however, is that New York is the home of the = United Nations. I think that since 1945 people have looked at the UN = with the same hopes and dreams that emigrants to America have always = had when they saw New York. In both cases, people see an opportunity = for a new beginning, for a fresh start at life. This is why I'm so = excited that the UN seems to be in need of a fresh start today. = Maybe New York City's spirit can help. I've read about how the UN is working right now. Some people say it = is bloated and inefficient. Some even say the UN is a nice idea that = was destined to fail, because it's goal of world peace is = unattainable. At the June 26th anniversary of the signing of the = UN's Charter, President Clinton said something I thought was very = significant. He said, "As its board of directors, all of us -- we = the member states -- must create a UN that is more flexible, that = operates more rapidly, that wastes less and produces more, and most = importantly, that inspires confidence among our governments and our = people." Well, we New Yorkers are known for having an opinion about = everything; and, given my background, I've formed an one about the = UN. Here's what I say is the problem with the UN and its solution. If the UN's primary mission is to create world peace and it hasn't = achieved that in 50 years, then no wonder it doesn't "inspire = confidence." We're talking customer service here. After all these = years, the UN hasn't lived up to its customers' expecta-tions. So, = who's fault is this? Well, in quality management, we don't look for = who is at fault. We look to see if the assumptions that were used = when a system was set up are still correct. We do this because the = world is constantly changing; and a design that worked yesterday may = not work today. Sure enough, as I see it, the UN's prob-lems are the = result of a change in the world that occurred after the UN was = founded in 1945. Here's where my having lived in New York City comes into play. In = 1983, I attended a lecture at Hunter College at which I learned = something that is very relevant to the problems the UN is having = today. At this lecture, I heard Dr. R. Buckminster Fuller say that, = throughout history, humanity had discovered things that had enabled = it to constantly improve its standard of living. He described how = this process was part of our inherent nature. Bucky said that = humanity constantly seeks out new information and then uses that = information to solve local problems. What Bucky then said was that around 1955 humanity finally developed = the technical capability to take care of everyone's basic survival = needs. What I learned that day was that the principle assumptions = that had governed the world throughout recorded history -- that = scarcity of resources was the rule and that survival of the fittest = had to control our behavior -- were no longer technically true. This = development occurred ten years after the United Nations was created, = so its founders can't be blamed for not knowing it. In fact, if = you've never come across Bucky's work, or that of Gerard Piel, the = founder of Scientific American, you've probably never heard this news = either. Fortunately, in quality management, we don't worry about = what we didn't know yesterday. We focus on using new information = we've learned today to make our organizations work better. I think = the UN's "board of directors" should do just that. When I look at the UN through the lense of "quality and Bucky = Fuller," I see a clear -- although somewhat monumental -- path that = will enable the UN to "inspire confidence" in its work; because it = will finally have all the "design principles" it needs to create true = world peace. While this path entails changing the sociological = under-pinnings of the UN's system, I believe that, one step at a = time, this can be done. (In quality management this is called = shifting the culture of the organization.) If the sustainable use of technology will enable everyone's survival = needs to be met, how can we not "reinvent the United Nations system" = no matter what it takes? If you're into computers, think of this = project as developing "United Nations, Version 2.O" software. Using = the new principles of "sufficiency" and "cooperation", the new UN can = help create a one world team. (I can see the T-shirts now.) = Shridath Ramphal, Co-Chair of The Commission on Global Governance = recently said at a conference I attended, "We can't create a new = world if we are still part of the old world. We must change = ourselves." When I think about this project, I know it will require = that we change the way we think; but look at what else we could get = for our efforts. Thanks to the amazing movie "Apollo 13", when I imagine a "reinvented = United Nations," my mind immediately starts thinking about manned = space travel. Given humanity's innate desire to explore, I can = imagine a scenario in which -- while at the same time developing = plans for the sustainable sharing of our planet's resources -- the = United Nations' member states commit themselves to a full-blown, = cooperative effort to resume humanity's exploration of the final = frontier -- the Moon, Mars, and beyond. I imagine a "reinvented United Nations" igniting throughout the world = the feeling that humanity has a higher purpose than constantly waging = war. If the worlds of quality and Bucky Fuller are joined - in the = city that is the home of new beginnings - then perhaps the ripple = effect will give birth to a new United Nations and the beginning of = "team planet Earth." Steve Brant Trimtab Management Systems 81 Ocean Parkway, Suite 3H Brooklyn, NY 11218-1754 "Charting new routes to the 21st Century" (718) 972-0949 (voice) (718) 972-3465 (fax) sbrant@trimtab.com http://www.trimtab.com (beta Web Site now on-line) -------------------------------------------------- "Only integrity is going to count..." - R. Buckminster Fuller -------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:33:28 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Jonathan B. Thompson" Subject: Geodesic strength calculations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody know of a way to accurately determine the strength of a geodesic structure, given x material, y cross section, etc. such that it could be determined as to how much stress at any given point would not result in structural deformation? I am involved in a project of my own design that must truly make the most with the least (a type of aircraft, theoretical at this point) and will be using geodesics with extreme, varying stresses, and I would like to know how to calculate what I can get away with. I will be subjecting spheres to stress at vertexes and everywhere in between. Along these same lines, does anyone know what would be suitable material for such a craft that would be light enough, inexpensive enough, etc. This craft will be powered and more maneuverable than most things, and must tolerate high winds, and will be using many spheres. This craft will not be an airship (at least not at the size I wish to and can build the prototype at, though scaled up (if it works) like geodesic sphere cities, it would get more efficient as it got bigger) and I wish to power it with a low horse power model engine I can afford. I need material that is airtight, or very low air flow, and I also need to have (preferably) enough stiffness that I don't need to have a frame. I do not currently have a way of working metal to any real degree beyond a hack saw, and I think metal would be a bit heavier than I wish, even aluminum. coolbear@earthlink.net In the Circle City "Wander Indiana" is not just a license plate slogan, it's a way of life! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:09:58 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: BUCKY QUOTE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The tetrahedral model of the quantum as the minimum structural system of Universe is a prime component in producting the conceptual bridge to span the vast chasm identified by C.P. Snow as having for so long existed between the one percent of the world people who are scientific and the 99 percent of humanity comprehendingly communicated with by the writers in literature and the humanities." "This chasm has been inadvertently sustained by the use of an exclusively mathematical language of abstract equations on the part of scientists, thus utterly frustrating the compurehension of the scientists' work by the 99 percent of humanity that does not communicate mathematically." "This book, Synergetics, contains the conceptualizing adequate to the chasm-bridging task, and it does so in vectorially structured geometry and in exclusively low-order prime numbers in rational whole-number accounting." [Buckminster Fuller, Synergetics 2, 935.24] ============================ Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:31:49 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian K Petroski Subject: Re: Geodesic strength calculations In-Reply-To: <199612041824.KAA04417@andorra.it.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Jonathan B. Thompson wrote: > Along these same lines, does anyone know what would be suitable material > for such a craft that would be light enough, inexpensive enough, etc. This > craft will be powered and more maneuverable than most things, and must > tolerate high winds, and will be using many spheres. This craft will not > be an airship (at least not at the size I wish to and can build the > prototype at, though scaled up (if it works) like geodesic sphere cities, > it would get more efficient as it got bigger) and I wish to power it with a > low horse power model engine I can afford. I need material that is > airtight, or very low air flow, and I also need to have (preferably) enough > stiffness that I don't need to have a frame. I do not currently have a way > of working metal to any real degree beyond a hack saw, and I think metal > would be a bit heavier than I wish, even aluminum. Can't help you with the calculation (which I'd love to have myself to calculate the stresses for an earth sheltered dome). For the materials though you might look into corregated plastic. Not sure about the stress it will take but I obtains a large pile of it for free. It was used as lawn signs during the election. I see many other places it is used as signs so you might go to a printer to get the misprints they would throw away. I've been building small domes from it and it works easily and seems very stable. Working up to building one big enough to be a garage out of the plastic with no other framing, just bending the endges of the plastic in a panel construction like the aluminum sun dome in Domebook 2. Brian Petroski Just your stereotypical polysexual, bisexual solitary pagan from St. Paul, Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:02:29 GMT+0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Venter, Dawie" Organization: Infoplan, Cape Regional Office Subject: Re: Geodesic strength calculations Hi Jonthan On Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:33:28 -0500 you wrote: > Does anybody know of a way to accurately determine the strength of a > geodesic structure, given x material, y cross section, etc. such that it > could be determined as to how much stress at any given point would not > result in structural deformation? Check out: Dave Misch's URL (http://cdswww.cdc.com/ie/people/dmisch/geo1.html), Structural Behaviour of a Geodesic Sphere. On: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:00:11, I also wrote: Hello All To anybody who has a twitch more than a casual interest in structural analysis, but lacking formal training in this regard, I think I have found just the book to put matters right. The book is called: "Structures or why things don't fall down", by J.E. Gordon. Published as a paperback by Penguin Science, ISBN 0-14-013628-2, recommended selling price U.K. stlg8.99, AUST. $ 19.95 and CAN. $15.99. I've downloaded finite element analysis programs such as "FElt" and "GBEAM", even managed to construct nice models of domes on these packages, but was soon at a loss for want of terms like: Poisson's ratio, Stress [in an engineering sense : ) ], Young's modulus etc. This book managed to take the mystery out of structural engineering in an entertaining and thought-provoking style, especially to those who have only an elementary proficiency in maths and no structural analysis training. Table of contents of the book: ..... ----------------------snipped for brevity----------------- Hope this helps... Regards Dawie Venter ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:43:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: internet@IMLLTD.ON.CA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi guys, Look at this ad I saw last week. I thought you might be interested. *********************** IT's HOT! ************************* *************** 4 in 1 LIVE DATELINE ****************** ******** LOCAL in your area or NATIONWIDE ******** YOU'VE READ ABOUT IT, NOW WE'VE GOT IT! THE NATION'S MOST POPULAR DATELINE. 1. Listen to Personal Messages! 2. Record Personal Messages! 3. Leave Replies! 4. "PRESS A KEY" AND TALK *LIVE* **ONE-ON-ONE**! 1-900-860-7444 Ext.# 467 http://www.pwrnet.com/freepg6/900Dateline see ya soon! John ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 07:00:21 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian K Petroski Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19961128212718.006879a0@imlltd.on.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 internet@IMLLTD.ON.CA wrote: > Hi guys, > > > Look at this ad I saw last week. I thought you might > be interested. > > > *********************** IT's HOT! ************************* > > *************** 4 in 1 LIVE DATELINE ****************** > ******** LOCAL in your area or NATIONWIDE ******** [rest of ad deleted] How did this get on the mailing list? The reason I subscribe to mailing lists is to avoid this kind of crap. Brian Petroski Just your stereotypical polysexual, bisexual solitary pagan from St. Paul, Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:46:56 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Jonathan B. Thompson" Subject: Re: Geodesic strength calculations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Brian K Petroski > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Geodesic strength calculations > Date: Wednesday, December 4, 1996 5:31 PM > Can you give me some ideas as to the weight and thickness you are speaking of? My initial model will be a full size mockup that will include 18 2 foot diameter spheres and 1 6 foot diameter sphere, and I'd like to fly it with a 3 or less HP motor, since I don't have oodles of money to spend on something so experimental. I know a lot of the principles this will be based on are sound, but there are some I have not tested yet, and my knowledge of fluid dynamics with the air flow I need to be concerned about are fuzzy at best. I honestly don't even know if the forces in use will cancel each other out or not, and I really need to have this be of a weight that is not prohibitive of at least flying slowly. I am looking at using >339 square feet of material, and would like the craft to be less than 20 pounds if possible. > > Can't help you with the calculation (which I'd love to have myself > to calculate the stresses for an earth sheltered dome). For the > materials though you might look into corregated plastic. Not sure about > the stress it will take but I obtains a large pile of it for free. It > was used as lawn signs during the election. I see many other places it > is used as signs so you might go to a printer to get the misprints they > would throw away. I've been building small domes from it and it works > easily and seems very stable. Working up to building one big enough to > be a garage out of the plastic with no other framing, just bending the > endges of the plastic in a panel construction like the aluminum sun dome > in Domebook 2. > > > > > Brian Petroski > > Just your stereotypical > polysexual, > bisexual > solitary pagan > from St. Paul, Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:49:25 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Jonathan B. Thompson" Subject: Re: Geodesic strength calculations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks! I will check it out! ---------- > From: Venter, Dawie > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Geodesic strength calculations > Date: Thursday, December 5, 1996 5:02 AM > > Check out: Dave Misch's URL > (http://cdswww.cdc.com/ie/people/dmisch/geo1.html), Structural > Behaviour of a Geodesic Sphere. > > On: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:00:11, I also wrote: > > Hello All > > To anybody who has a twitch more than a casual interest in > structural analysis, but lacking formal training in this regard, I > think I have found just the book to put matters right. The book is > called: "Structures or why things don't fall down", by J.E. Gordon. > Published as a paperback by Penguin Science, ISBN 0-14-013628-2, > recommended selling price U.K. stlg8.99, AUST. $ 19.95 and CAN. $15.99. > > I've downloaded finite element analysis programs such as "FElt" and > "GBEAM", even managed to construct nice models of domes on these > packages, but was soon at a loss for want of terms like: Poisson's > ratio, Stress [in an engineering sense : ) ], Young's modulus etc. > This book managed to take the mystery out of structural engineering > in an entertaining and thought-provoking style, especially to those > who have only an elementary proficiency in maths and no structural > analysis training. > > Table of contents of the book: ..... > ----------------------snipped for brevity----------------- > > Hope this helps... > > Regards > Dawie Venter ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 07:50:58 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian K Petroski Subject: Re: Geodesic strength calculations In-Reply-To: <199612051338.FAA12285@iceland.it.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Jonathan B. Thompson wrote: > Can you give me some ideas as to the weight and thickness you are speaking > of? My initial model will be a full size mockup that will include 18 2 > foot diameter spheres and 1 6 foot diameter sphere, and I'd like to fly it > with a 3 or less HP motor, since I don't have oodles of money to spend on > something so experimental. I know a lot of the principles this will be > based on are sound, but there are some I have not tested yet, and my > knowledge of fluid dynamics with the air flow I need to be concerned about > are fuzzy at best. I honestly don't even know if the forces in use will > cancel each other out or not, and I really need to have this be of a weight > that is not prohibitive of at least flying slowly. I am looking at using > >339 square feet of material, and would like the craft to be less than 20 > pounds if possible. THe ones I have lying around are about 1/4" thick. I weighted a couple of them and come out with about 2.5 oz per square foot. For your 339 square feet that would work out to be aproximately 53 pounds, well over double the weight you are aiming for, but I can't image you will find anything lighter that is still rigid and yet affordable. Brian Petroski Just your stereotypical polysexual, bisexual solitary pagan from St. Paul, Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:01:53 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Iman Adler Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is there anything we can do about receiveing this kind of drek? At 12:43 AM 12/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hi guys, > > >Look at this ad I saw last week. 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Moore" Subject: GEODESIC COMPUTATION SOFTWARE Comments: To: SYNERGETICS _LIST , DOMES _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit EleGeodesic - Geodesic Computation Software "EleGeodesic approximates a minimum-length geodesic between given endpoints on a multidimensional manifold (surface). It returns the shortest path found. For a complete description, access 'Netlib' and read comments in source code." "A version of 'EleGeodesic' called 'Geodes' is in the Netlib repository of numerical software administered by Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Mathematical Science Section and AT&T Bell Laboratories." "Geodes can be extended by: Allowing indefinite metric with null geodesic(s). Optimizing grid points dynamically. Using recursion. Optimizing performance control values dynamically. Finding families of geodesics. Add localized salients (bumps) to the manifold. Plotting geodesic in both parameter and ambient space." "Some of these capabilities are implemented in Elements Engineering-Scientific Workspace." Elements Research 7501 Windyrush Road Charlotte, NC 28226-3115 elements@ix.netcom.com 704-543-9180 http://pw1.netcom.com/~elements/geodes.html ============================ Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:21:07 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Dymaxion Car & the future DYMAXION CAR: RETHINKING by Bill Paton, Solutioneer, Dec 96 I have been intrigued by R. Buckminster Fuller's DYMAXION CAR for some time. This is partly because of my interest in his ideas of "Doing more with less" which encouraged looking after our resources. It is also because I am intrigued by the rogue inventor who seems to go against "the system" like Preston Tucker did with his famous car that had such radical design features like mandatory seatbelts. This essay offers thoughts about Car Prototyping as well as various practical resources and information sources available online. The interesting thing about improving on a car is that it is something that we are all reasonably familiar with and can offer some input into. Areas of improvement include all aspects from CONcept, CONstruction up to CONsumer. Looking at the repercussions of a car based/gas guzzling society are horrendous. Air pollution, noise pollution, vehicle accidents, environmental impact and the car's effect on urban sprawl and loss of community are just a few of the car's cause and effect. The Persian Gulf War has led to many deaths attributed directly to the lust for oil. I am sure I am talking to the converted here. Enough said about that. Our western society is largely based on consumerism. It is consumerism that makes our economy run, we think, so having the ultimate fashion statement (housing excepted) of a new flashy car is the zenith of this. Yet, interestingly enough because governments and ideologists haven't really seized it, INFORMATION is the new commodity. As Alvin Toffler points out in his trilogy of "Future Shock, The Third Wave, and Powershift" we are in an Information age, and information is the ultimate commodity because it can be re-used by many people simultaneously or sequentially. It never wears out and has essentially little or no impact on the environment. Look at Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft and said to be the richest man in the world. His entire fortune is based on Information and the manipulation of Information. His software sells for hundreds of dollars, while the material costs of the disks, CD-Roms, or downloads are essentially worthless. It is what you can do with it that makes it valuable. If we examine the impact of this change in consumption habits, we might be able to see a more positive future towards the environment. Since profits and fortunes can be made by what is in essence "notions" rather than "materiel" (SOFT vs HARD wares), it may be quite realistic to create entire societies or Earthwide societies which depend entirely on "Soft" supplies and any "Hard" supplies such as food, shelter, communication, travelling etc can be seen as secondary. In a world like this, self-sustainability can be a realistic and important goal for societies and communities to have. Perhaps an updated version of the wartime "Victory Gardens" can be brought back along the lines of Bucky Fuller's Garden of Eden dome and Jay Baldwin's Pillowdome. As our information age continues (somewhat blindly) forward, I believe our priorities will shift to informational prowess being important (as opposed to consumption prowess) and I think we will have the luxury of being able to re-examine and re-configure many of our outdated notions that have led "logically" to the brink of nuclear holocaust. I think we have to re-vamp our thinking and logic systems and promote basic values. How does this all relate to prototyping of cars, you may ask. I believe that a car which has little impact on the environment (other than roads etc) can be a true artifact of the Information age. A non-polluting car is a major priority in our world. Also, because a car is relatively easy to understand and to find out about, it makes a great starting point for a "Proof of Concept" Project. An old car can be used as a starting point of the newer version (Fuller used a Ford engine for his Dymaxion car) and expenses can be relatively inexpensive. What it requires is largely your time. Bucky knew and promoted that individuals and small teams can always work more efficiently than any large company. With fibreglass techniques, computers, robotics, box beaming and power tools, prototyping and manufacturing which was in Bucky's day outrageously complicated and expensive, can now be brought home for reasonable amounts of money. Saturn Cars, which is a division of General Motors, is coming out with an electric car. Saturn itself is a very interesting approach to a company. It is bringing back the small team, quality environment, worker to consumer bond back into manufacturing. It is an interesting company to explore, along the "through design" that Bucky promoted in his ideas that when you design a tractor seat you must be concerned with the whole manufacture and distribution of food to consumers. I believe areas to explore, or re-explore, or re-think, in the areas of cars include: hydrogen based cars, solar cars, hydrogen fuel cells, human powered cars, car sharing, "transportation", ride sharing, car ownership and more. It is a truly complex and detailed task. I think the future depends largely on those brave enough to explore these. "Bucky usually asked students to organize into teams, each with a specific task. Teams then divided the work among their members. Individual responsibility and a common goal soon developed noncompetitive cooperation that greatly speeded the project. "--from Buckyworks. This may be a realistic approach to take. SOME AREAS OF EXPLORATION Dymaxion Car Patent http://www.bfi.org/patents/DymaxCarPatent.html DEVELOPING AND PROTOTYPING How to Develop, Protect and Market New Product Ideas http://www.netzone.com/~rqriley/new-prod.html Product Design and Development: The Generic Process for Developing New Product http://www.netzone.com/~rqriley/pro-dev.html The Role of Appearance Models and Mockups: A Case Study of the ARRIS Design http://www.netzone.com/~rqriley/models.html One-Off Construction Using Fiberglass Over Urethane Foam http://www.netzone.com/~rqriley/how-to-1.html AUTOMOBILES Automobile Ride, Handling, and Suspension Design. http://www.netzone.com/~rqriley/suspensn.html Three-Wheelers in Automotive Application. http://www.netzone.com/~rqriley/3-wheele.html DIY Alternate Fuel Conversion http://www.wps.com/LPG/lpg-how-to-book.html ELECTRIC VEHICLES Electric Vehicle Association of the Americas http://www.evaa.org/ Electric Vehicle Links http://www.evaa.org/library/index.html Electric and Hybrid Vehicles: The Benefits, Challenges, and Technologies. http://www.netzone.com/~rqriley/ev-tech.html Electric Vehicle Plans http://www.netzone.com/~rqriley/plans.html HYDROGEN POWER American Hydrogen Association http://www.getnet.com/charity/aha/index.html HYDROGEN FUEL CELLS THE ENVIRONMENT Transportation's Impact on Energy and the Environment: http://www.netzone.com/~rqriley/energy.html Ecological Design Institute http://www.trope.com/edi/eden/ Ecological Design Education Network http://www.trope.com/edi/eden/ MANUFACTURING/DESIGNING RESOURCES Thomas Register of American Manufacturers http://www.thomasregister.com:8000/ Design Resources Online http://www.dh.umu.se/vlib.html Machine Framing Resources http://robotics.com/framing.html HUMAN POWER International Huma Powered Vehicle Association http://www.ihpva.org/Builders/carbon_fiber.html Carbon Fibre Handmade Bicycle Description http://www.ihpva.org/Builders/carbon_fiber.html Nomadic Research Labs http://www.microship.com/ Homemade Human Powered SUBMARINES http://www.esm.vt.edu/phantom/phantom.html http://www.webcom.com/sknkwrks/submarin.html ERGONOMICS http://www.ergoweb.com THINK TANKS, ASSOCIATIONS and INDEPENDENT RESEARCH http://www.pitt.edu/~ian/resource/thinktk.htm Bucky said that evolution makes many starts, maybe his Dymaxion car will be a first evolution that will lead to your true evolution. PASSION PERSUADES--Anita Roddick -- Bill Paton --Solutioneer bpaton@inforamp.net THE DIRECTOR'S TEMPLATE http://www.inforamp.net/~bpaton ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:01:07 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Dunaj Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Subject: Re: Geodesic strength calculations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan B. Thompson wrote: > > ---------- > > From: Brian K Petroski > > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: Geodesic strength calculations > > Date: Wednesday, December 4, 1996 5:31 PM > > > Can you give me some ideas as to the weight and thickness you are speaking > of? My initial model will be a full size mockup that will include 18 2 > foot diameter spheres and 1 6 foot diameter sphere, and I'd like to fly it > with a 3 or less HP motor, since I don't have oodles of money to spend on > something so experimental. I know a lot of the principles this will be > based on are sound, but there are some I have not tested yet, and my > knowledge of fluid dynamics with the air flow I need to be concerned about > are fuzzy at best. I honestly don't even know if the forces in use will > cancel each other out or not, and I really need to have this be of a weight > that is not prohibitive of at least flying slowly. I am looking at using > >339 square feet of material, and would like the craft to be less than 20 > pounds if possible. > > > > Can't help you with the calculation (which I'd love to have myself > > to calculate the stresses for an earth sheltered dome). For the > > materials though you might look into corregated plastic. Not sure about > > the stress it will take but I obtains a large pile of it for free. It > > was used as lawn signs during the election. I see many other places it > > is used as signs so you might go to a printer to get the misprints they > > would throw away. I've been building small domes from it and it works > > easily and seems very stable. Working up to building one big enough to > > be a garage out of the plastic with no other framing, just bending the > > endges of the plastic in a panel construction like the aluminum sun dome > > in Domebook 2. > > > > > > > > > > Brian Petroski > > > > Just your stereotypical > > polysexual, > > bisexual > > solitary pagan > > from St. Paul, Minnesota Your flying machine is going to use the Coanda Effect? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:49:43 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Re: Dymaxion Car & the future Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >SOME AREAS OF EXPLORATION The Rocky Mountain Institute (mostly in the person of Amory Lovins) has done a tremendous amount of research on the subject of the future of the automobile. I believe they call it the hypercar project. The institute can be reached at http://www.rmi.org Steve Brant Trimtab Management Systems 81 Ocean Parkway, Suite 3H Brooklyn, NY 11218-1754 "Charting new routes to the 21st Century" (718) 972-0949 (voice) (718) 972-3465 (fax) sbrant@trimtab.com http://www.trimtab.com (beta Web Site now on-line) -------------------------------------------------- "Only integrity is going to count..." - R. Buckminster Fuller -------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:01:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: syn-l: to Joe: haiku-tet Comments: To: DOMES _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: danu@monitor.net To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Subject: syn-l: to Joe: haiku-tet Date: Thursday, December 05, 1996 5:51 PM Four For Bucky Dual-Unity does at minimum involve four that relate through six. He gave of himself- Beyond pain he found our joy; How can we do more? Heart, Hands and Head weave A garment of Love for Life Discovering Light. He let us all See- Not extra-ordinary; Anyone can play... --danu, 12/5/96 .- ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:55:38 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: Fw: syn-l: to Joe: haiku-tet In-Reply-To: <9612052158.aa17013@inside.cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Four For Bucky > > Dual-Unity does > at minimum involve four > that relate through six. > > > He gave of himself- > Beyond pain he found our joy; > How can we do more? > > > Heart, Hands and Head weave > A garment of Love for Life > Discovering Light. > > > He let us all See- > Not extra-ordinary; > Anyone can play... > > > --danu, 12/5/96 > suggestion contraray to ... Fuller was hardly sentimental, was very sober and tough but that i think related to his connection with universe the channels of the brain were open, that generated his confidence and not ego as some say. sifting throught ideas to find symetries, might be the clue to Fuller mind. Obsrvables, visible and invisible volcanic patterns, begining prodcasting, personal experience are the angle of descernment of Fuller the sailer-the young boat builder. when we celebrate Fuller, we are celerbrarting principles of coordination different form the fixiation of society with fixes itself in vanity. we are deeply protesting at the stupidity that is running the world, we are deeply religuous inspite of those mediocres who sit by the news desk and criticize. it is extraordinary tagdi i have charted a map of learning that accomodates different wave size and frequencies of study and action, have doen it with gre cost, now i need to open the channels of my brain. 2 year may be.....? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:43:14 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Menu user Organization: University Library Utrecht Subject: Re: Geodesic strength calculations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, Gordon book have no analysis of geodesic whatsover, the only thing you can learn is some understanding of what tension is. i am realy democratic, but if i have to give advice, i would say that a lot of materials are not red because we dont know how to search. i suggest making list of books that might contain some of information one needs using library catalogous in the computer, bu chosing different words. if geodesic analysis have not been doen yet, i would thing that one can make experiments by creating different kinds of coorelations. tagdi extra: Joe add to your chrono file these new inventions: 1. mini submorine that can go to 7 miles ocean depth. 2. minivideo camer from sony. 3. water discoverd on the moon. 4. srange( i dont know this word), injection apparataus, which uses helium to inject powder antes into the body with supersonic speed- no more pain specially for children; few years to enter the market. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:01:41 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Dymaxion (Car) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bill Paton said: >I have been intrigued by R. Buckminster Fuller's DYMAXION CAR >for some time.... As an aside, the book "Mr. Blanding's Deam House" (made into a Carry Grant movie) contains a line (uttered by Mr. Blanding's daughter) expressing an interest in a Dymaxion house. The line did not make its way into the movie. The scariest words spoken by Darth Vader in "Star Wars" were: "Gentlemen, I'm here to help you get this project back on schedule..." james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:15:55 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Menu user Organization: University Library Utrecht Subject: Re: Dymaxion Car & the future, and thinking out loud Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit first i want to say that thinking out loud was an insult to Fuller, i dont regret seeing the film but i think they were mean, or ignorant. marginalized Fuller and used pathatic language to demoralize his vision. someone else can do better, i think. just because you chose a great man doesnt mean that your film going to be good. i might even say that it was exploitation of the man to make money. ---------------------------------------------------------------- i was wondering if you can make a dymaxian bus, ugly may be. the car! will never decrese in number, Fuller knew it. congestion does not mean overpopulated area. there was only 1/4 million of miles increase in the 20 century of roads in the U.S. the best way to circulate traffic is the straight victor roads that pass by the center of a city. 1920 there were 2 million cars, 1900 there were 50,000 cars, sport marcades cost 30,000 pounds. traffic problem cant be solved by rechanniling roads; work, electronic commmunication,ect are the synergetic component of the solution. the automobil production started the fuel oil revolution. probably oil companies look back in the rear mirror of geopolitical analysis which hocked to primary producers overlooking * the new technology which will genrate electricity in the home these ephemeralization could possibly bring the world of plenty of fuller prodcasted. i have a hint that the disorder of information comes from the inability to sift through it for symetries. profound thought but have no accurate evidence. *Power surge- world watch books tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 07:18:00 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: MY NEW WEB PAGES Comments: To: DOMES _LIST , SYNERGETICS _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everybody, The outline of my new web pages is located at http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Just started today--will add more in the next year. Joe ============================ Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:06:02 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "John H. Fisher" Subject: Re: syn-l: MY NEW WEB PAGES Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com, DOMES _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Joe, A common problem with personnel web pages is setting up read access to the rest of the world. When I click on your page I get "404 Not Found" error. This usually means you need to do a "chmod 755 *.*" command (without the quotes) on the files in your "public_html" subdirectory. That will allow others to read those files. It doesn't show up to you because you are the owner. Let me know if I'm wrong. And thanks for creating your web page. >From a fellow web page producer and long time lurker of these lists. Regards, John =============================== Email: jhfisher@worldnet.att.net Web: http://www.ccsi.com/~jhfisher =============================== ---------- > From: Joe S. Moore > To: DOMES _LIST ; SYNERGETICS _LIST ; GEODESIC _LIST > Subject: syn-l: MY NEW WEB PAGES > Date: Friday, December 06, 1996 9:18 AM > > Everybody, > > The outline of my new web pages is located at > > http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > Just started today--will add more in the next year. > > Joe > ============================ > Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar > joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 14:23:24 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: syn-l: MY NEW WEB PAGES Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danu, The BFVI link is broken. I get the message "The requested document '/G/GoatBoy/bfvi.html' does not exist on this server." Goatboy's web pages seem to have vanished! That's ONE reason I decided to set up my own. ---------- From: danu@monitor.net To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: syn-l: MY NEW WEB PAGES Date: Friday, December 06, 1996 12:33 PM Great news joe, glad to see your web page. you might want to title it "Joe Moore's Home" rather than just "Home" since there are lots of other 'Homes" on the web, and when we bookmark your page we want to see that it's YOUR home right there in the title of the bookmark. also, you might want to change the Headline at the top of your page, since there is another "The Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute" at http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bfvi.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 14:38:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: syn-l: Hi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Dave Chako > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: syn-l: Hi > Date: Friday, December 06, 1996 9:11 AM > > Hello all. > > My name is David Chako and I am new on the list. > > I look forward to sharing ideas in the spirit of RBF. > > I'll go first ... > > > Fuller notes in Synergetics that the number of balls in the n'th layer of a > closest packed nuclear agglomeration goes as (10*n*n + 2). He identifies this > superficial point count with conventional surface area and goes on to speculate > that the geometric portion of the electric and gravitational forces (namely, > scale by the surface area of a sphere at radius r to get the force at that > radius) may be the limit of (10*n*n + 2) for large n. > > This is quite interesting, since if true, it eliminates one of physics' ugliest > goblins -- the discontinuity in the radial force at the source point. > > What are the implications of this? > > Thanks in advance for your insights. > > David Chako > .- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 08:01:05 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: internetmarketing@POBOXES.COM Subject: Visa Comments: To: geodesic@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu DID YOU KNOW ANYONE CAN QUALIFY FOR A VISA CREDIT CARD Separated? Divorced? Bankrupt? BAD CREDIT? 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Isn't there some way to keep it out of here? I subscribe to mailing lists to avoid this sort of crap. Brian Petroski Just your stereotypical polysexual, bisexual solitary pagan from St. Paul, Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 10:08:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: syn-l: Hi Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes! Now you guys are talking about how Fuller's Ultra-Micro Computer works. In a cluster of close-packed atoms having ONLY 3 layers, unique set of atoms are addressable based on their distance from the center of the cluster. 1st layer = 1 set; 2nd layer = 2 sets; 3rd layer 2 sets; total = 5 unique sets per cluster. (Don't go beyond 3 layers because patterns start to repeat, which is why only 92 naturally occuring elements, BTW.) Each unique set has it's own unique set of frequencies ("colors"). Joe ---------- > From: Gerald A. de Jong > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: syn-l: Hi > Date: Saturday, December 07, 1996 10:29 AM > > David Chako: > >Fuller notes in Synergetics that the number of balls in the n'th layer of a > >closest packed nuclear agglomeration goes as (10*n*n + 2). He identifies this > >superficial point count with conventional surface area and goes on to speculate > >that the geometric portion of the electric and gravitational forces (namely, > >scale by the surface area of a sphere at radius r to get the force at that > >radius) may be the limit of (10*n*n + 2) for large n. > > > >This is quite interesting, since if true, it eliminates one of physics' ugliest > >goblins -- the discontinuity in the radial force at the source point. > > > >What are the implications of this? > > it implies that the rest of physics may have to be reconstructed > using discrete mathematics instead of calculus (math based on > "continuity"). no surprise that people are reluctant to try. > > > --- > Gerald de Jong, Rotterdam NL, gdj@xs4all.nl > Elastic Interval Geometry: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gdj > > .- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 21:01:58 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Visa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Brian Petroski asked: >> DID YOU KNOW ANYONE CAN QUALIFY FOR A >> VISA CREDIT CARD > > How is this stuff getting in the mailing lists? Isn't there some >way to keep it out of here? I subscribe to mailing lists to avoid this >sort of crap. There are a number of ways that these pop-tarts spam both e-mail addresses and e-mail lists with their useless drivel. Without a "moderated" list (and the resulting workload on the moderator to "approve" every single message), there is little that can be done to stop them. BUT... once they spam, they get sliced, diced, and recycled as playground toys. Think of it, thousands of angry people, all sending indignant e-mail (in this specific case) to the sender, (internetmarketing@poboxes.com) with copies to postmaster@poboxes.com, webmaster@poboxes.com, root@poboxes.com, and so on. The sophisticated net-heads also copy the "upstream" host (in this case "netforward.com"), just in case the host address used is a deliberate ploy to attract (and auto-reject) the mail of outraged recipients. The backlash from even a single spam can be very large. Large enough to "bring down" typical machines, and flood all available disc space at your typical ISP site. As a personal observation, everyone needs a visa, mostly when traveling. I am often asked for a visa when I go through customs on my way from here to there. The typical exchange goes like this: Storm Trooper: "Passport and Visa, please..." Me: "Here's my passport, and... ummm, lets see... (dig through passport case for a minute) Oh, dear I don't have a Visa, but I do have an American Express..." You be surprised how often they will not get the joke, shrug, forget the visa check, and go on to the questions about your luggage. The scariest words spoken by Darth Vader in "Star Wars" were: "Gentlemen, I'm here to help you get this project back on schedule..." james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 14:36:57 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Menu user Organization: University Library Utrecht Subject: Re: novice seeks advice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi Alan, read these books in the first 5 months: 1. Quantum theory for Beginners( that is if you know little about science, J.P. McEvoy 2. Fuller explanation by Amy Edmendson. 3. a book about Fuller, ask someone else for that. 4. a very simple book about system theory. 5. critical path by B.Fuller. this will help you not rush into conclusions as some have doen; after you read the above leave it and do smothing else for a while. go with your intution when you should read and when you should stop, try to demonstrate what you learn by applications. Fuller learned every word he used. i think he was very slow and patient-somthing i have not learned yet. but he did not learn every word in the dictionary, he basicaly learned the words he used-which means usual words- and then he added as he went and inventing when he needed new word. Horizon dictionary is the best i have seen to do that. if you think my advice is good one, i may be of help for the next step. best wishes tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 19:26:15 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Johnson Organization: accessU.S. Subject: Re: novice seeks advice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan Douglas wrote: > > Please help ! > I have been reading (on and off) this news group for some time now, and am > stimulated by the issues and thoughts raised herein. As a willing novice to > these mind expanding thoughts. I would be grateful if you could suggest some > introductory texts which will aid me in my curiosity. The work of BF seems > particularly interesting. > Thanks in advance > alan douglas > msc9708@ossian.geo.ed.ac.uk > ------------------------------ Alan I reccomend: Pilot for Spaceship Earth R. Buckminister Fuller Architect, Inventor and Poet by Athena V Lord as a very good biographical general introduction to bucky. I believe "Synergetics" is his master work. Regards, Steven Johnson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 03:51:52 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: justwink@AOL.COM Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Dymaxion House - was: car > As an aside, the book "Mr. Blanding's Deam House" (made > into a Carry Grant movie) contains a line (uttered > by Mr. Blanding's daughter) expressing an interest > in a Dymaxion house. > > The line did not make its way into the movie. "MR. BLANDINGS..." should be required viewing for anyone about to have a house built by contractors. There is, however, a dymaxion house in a hollywood movie. Check out THE SECRET LIFE OF WALTER MITTY (1947). Bucky's house makes a brief but memorable appearance in a most unusual context. And, speaking of films, the sci-fi film EARTH II uses the dymaxion map. I believe both films contain credit lines to Bucky. C.E.Peck ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:45:05 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: syn-l: Hi Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Dave Chako > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: syn-l: Hi > Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 7:58 AM > > On Dec 7, 10:08am, Joe S. Moore wrote: > > Subject: Re: syn-l: Hi > > Yes! Now you guys are talking about how Fuller's Ultra-Micro Computer > > works. In a cluster of close-packed atoms having ONLY 3 layers, unique > > set of atoms are addressable based on their distance from the center of > > the cluster. 1st layer = 1 set; 2nd layer = 2 sets; 3rd layer 2 sets; > > total = 5 unique sets per cluster. (Don't go beyond 3 layers because > > patterns start to repeat, which is why only 92 naturally occuring > > elements, BTW.) Each unique set has it's own unique set of frequencies > > ("colors"). > > > > Joe > > ??????????????????? > > I get 8 sets in three layers: I get a total of only 7 unique sets. > 1) First layer, one set (12 vertexes) Agree > 2) Second layer, three sets (12 vertexes, 24 mid-edge-points, 6 > mid-square-face-points) You're right! What was I thinking of? > 3) Third layer, 4 sets (12 vertexes, 48 edge-points, 24 square-points, 8 > mid-triangle-face-points I get only 3 sets: 12 Vertexes, 48 Edges, and 32 Faces. (I'm ASSUMING that the centers of the squares and triangles are the same distance from the center, but I'm not sure!) I'm looking at Syn 1, figures 222.01 and 970.20. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:10:00 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: Dymaxion House - was: car MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles, Do you have any web refs (URLs) to the book _Mr. Blanding's Dream House_ and/or the films "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" and "Earth II"? Joe ---------- > From: justwink@AOL.COM > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Dymaxion House - was: car > Date: Sunday, December 08, 1996 7:51 PM > > > As an aside, the book "Mr. Blanding's Dream House" (made > > into a Carry Grant movie) contains a line (uttered > > by Mr. Blanding's daughter) expressing an interest > > in a Dymaxion house. > > > > The line did not make its way into the movie. > > "MR. BLANDINGS..." should be required viewing for anyone > about to have a house built by contractors. > > There is, however, a dymaxion house in a hollywood movie. > Check out THE SECRET LIFE OF WALTER MITTY (1947). > Bucky's house makes a brief but memorable appearance in > a most unusual context. > > And, speaking of films, the sci-fi film EARTH II uses the > dymaxion map. I believe both films contain credit lines > to Bucky. > > C.E.Peck > .- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:03:05 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. Subject: Re: Visa SPAM Comments: To: internetmarketing@POBOXES.COM My company has a policy: We will never do business with any company or individual who abuses our Internet and/or email access. We get one SPAM from you... you go on a list. We circulate the list. I think this is the only long-term solution to this kind of pirate mentality. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:52:16 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Shawn Elliot Switenky Organization: University of Saskatchewan Subject: Re: VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING CAR Joe S. Moore (joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM) wrote: : As I understand it, yes. Why don't you browse their website (I don't have : their URL at my fingertips at the moment). Or you could email them : directly. Are you thinking of: http://www.moller.com/~mi/frames.htm They've been developing a skycar for years. : ---------- : > From: amdomehead@AOL.COM : > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU : > Subject: Re: VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING CAR : > Date: Saturday, November 30, 1996 11:03 PM : > : > Joe, : > Is this car road-worthy, (street legal) ? : > .- -- + Shawn Switenky -------------------+-- Email: Shawn.Switenky@USask.CA -----+ | Network & Systems Management | Phone: (306) 966-4983 | | Computing Services | Fax: (306) 966-4938 | | University of Saskatchewan | URL: http://red5.usask.ca/ | +-----------------------------------+-- ICBM: N52 07' 53.1" W106 37' 57.8" -+ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:16:13 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: Visa SPAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a good idea to me. Sort of like the old practice of "shunning". Enforcing integrity on the internet. ---------- > From: J. Michael Rowland > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Visa SPAM > Date: Monday, December 09, 1996 3:03 PM > > My company has a policy: We will never do business with any company or > individual who abuses our Internet and/or email access. > > We get one SPAM from you... you go on a list. We circulate the list. > > I think this is the only long-term solution to this kind of pirate mentality. > .- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:33:06 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: ALEXANDER GRAHAM BELL Comments: To: Kirby Urner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby, I like your Alexander Graham Bell web pages. http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/bell.html Here's two refs I dug out of my database that you may want to use: "The Tetrahedral Principle in Kite Structure" by Alexander Graham Bell, National Geographic (magazine), June 1903, pages 219-51. "Aerial Locomotion" by Alexander Graham Bell, National Geographic (magazine), January 1907, pages 1-34. One of these days I'll get around to sending you the refs I have on Snelson. ============================ Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:04:19 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: ULTRA-MICRO COMPUTER LINKS Comments: To: SYNERGETICS _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An tentative, unedited list of links having something to do with Buckminster Fuller's proposed Ultra-Micro Computer design.

Applied Computational Cosmography - emergent .

Computational Cosmography

Computing Sub-Page

Future Cover, 2012

illert.html at www

Laboratory for Theoretical and Quantum Computing

Many-Worlds Quantum Theory

Quantum computation a tutorial

Quantum Information Home Page

Quantum Information Links Page

text11.htm at www4

Wired Magazine Copyright

============================ Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:24:45 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING CAR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. Moller is the company I had in mind. As far as I know, they are the only people currently developing vertical-takeoff-&-landing (VTOL) personal transportation vehicles. Moller International 1222 Research Park Drive Davis, CA 95616 USA Fax: (916) 756 - 5179 Email: mi@moller.com ---------- > From: Shawn Elliot Switenky > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING CAR > Date: Tuesday, December 10, 1996 7:52 AM > > Joe S. Moore (joemoore@BBS.CRUZIO.COM) wrote: > : As I understand it, yes. Why don't you browse their website (I don't have > : their URL at my fingertips at the moment). Or you could email them > : directly. > > Are you thinking of: > > http://www.moller.com/~mi/frames.htm > > They've been developing a skycar for years. > > : ---------- > : > From: amdomehead@AOL.COM > : > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > : > Subject: Re: VERTICAL TAKEOFF & LANDING CAR > : > Date: Saturday, November 30, 1996 11:03 PM > : > > : > Joe, > : > Is this car road-worthy, (street legal) ? > : > - > -- > + Shawn Switenky -------------------+-- Email: Shawn.Switenky@USask.CA -----+ > | Network & Systems Management | Phone: (306) 966-4983 | > | Computing Services | Fax: (306) 966-4938 | > | University of Saskatchewan | URL: http://red5.usask.ca/ | > +-----------------------------------+-- ICBM: N52 07' 53.1" W106 37' 57.8" -+ > .- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:10:56 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. Subject: Re: Visa SPAM J. Michael Rowland suggests: >> My company has a policy: We will never do business with any company or >> individual who abuses our Internet and/or email access. >> We get one SPAM from you... you go on a list. We circulate the list. >> I think this is the only long-term solution to this kind of >> pirate mentality. ...to which Joe S. Moore replies: > Sounds like a good idea to me. Sort of like the old practice > of "shunning". Enforcing integrity on the internet. Of course, you have to let them know about your policy. And it has to gather enough momentum that it has an impact on the spammer. So I make a point of wasting (even more) time by writing a reply to let them know they've lost any hope of business from me ...as well as from anyone I talk to. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:19:22 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: syn-l: MY NEW WEB PAGES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, I finally figured out what was wrong. I created all my web pages on my computer within folders to keep everything organized. But my provider doesn't allow folders I NOW find out! So everything I uploaded was just dumped into my space (one folder) on their hard drive. My urls had, for example, index-page-name/sub-index-page-name/page-name and so on; so of course my provider's computer couldn't find the page on their computer. Simple--but they don't provide any instructions like that. So we newbies have to find out the hard way! But thanks for the hints anyway. I may need them in the future. BTW, I'm using Microsoft's FrontPage to create my web pages and WS FTP 95 to upload them. Thanks again, Joe ============================ Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ---------- > From: John H. Fisher > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: syn-l: MY NEW WEB PAGES > Date: Friday, December 06, 1996 9:06 AM > > Dear Joe, > > A common problem with personnel web pages is setting up read access to the > rest of the world. When I click on your page I get "404 Not Found" error. > This usually means you need to do a "chmod 755 *.*" command (without > the quotes) on the files in your "public_html" subdirectory. That will > allow others to read those files. It doesn't show up to you because you are > the owner. Let me know if I'm wrong. And thanks for creating your web page. > From a fellow web page producer and long time lurker of these lists. > > Regards, > John > > =============================== > Email: jhfisher@worldnet.att.net > Web: http://www.ccsi.com/~jhfisher > =============================== > > ---------- > > From: Joe S. Moore > > To: DOMES _LIST ; SYNERGETICS _LIST > ; GEODESIC _LIST > > > Subject: syn-l: MY NEW WEB PAGES > > Date: Friday, December 06, 1996 9:18 AM > > > > Everybody, > > > > The outline of my new web pages is located at > > > > http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > > > Just started today--will add more in the next year. > > > > Joe > > ============================ > > Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar > > joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > .- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 00:12:32 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Iman Adler Subject: Re: Visa SPAM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I like it!!!!!! At 06:10 PM 12/10/96 CST, you wrote: >J. Michael Rowland suggests: >>> My company has a policy: We will never do business with any company or >>> individual who abuses our Internet and/or email access. >>> We get one SPAM from you... you go on a list. We circulate the list. >>> I think this is the only long-term solution to this kind of >>> pirate mentality. > >...to which Joe S. Moore replies: >> Sounds like a good idea to me. Sort of like the old practice >> of "shunning". Enforcing integrity on the internet. > >Of course, you have to let them know about your policy. And it has to gather >enough momentum that it has an impact on the spammer. So I make a point of >wasting (even more) time by writing a reply to let them know they've lost any >hope of business from me ...as well as from anyone I talk to. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- David Iman Adler Solutions for Environmental Harmony Landscape Architecture-Environmental Restoration-Site Planning-Wetlands Design-Garden Design dadler@taconic.net http://www.taconic.net/adler/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:32:42 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Subscribe2@JUNO.COM Organization: Quote-A-Day Subject: Good Quotes (mssacd) Every day, we at Quote-A-Day e-mail an interesting quote to people on the Internet. The quotes are inspirational, witty and insightful. We don t charge for this service and we hope you ll want to be a part of it. If you would like to join our mailing, send e-mail to Subscribe2@Juno.com And put your name in the body of the message. Later, if you like, you can stop receiving this mailing by sending e-mail to Unsubscribe2@Juno.com (zmtqiz) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 11:56:23 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Alan Subject: Dome 101 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could someone help a domester newbie with a couple of questions? I live in a 50 ft diameter dome which was built without hubs - the triangles were individually bolted together. The outside is covered with about 4 inches of foam (I assume it was sprayed) with a layer of rubber material applied to the foam. 1. The sides of the triangles are 5 ft long. How do I determine the frequency, etc of the dome? 2. I downloaded Dome 4.6 for Mac. How do I use it? What is the argument it asks for? Thanks-- Al Barrett barretts@is.usmo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:25:13 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Re: ULTRA-MICRO COMPUTER LINKS In article <9612101501.aa17065@inside.cruzio.com>, "Joe S. Moore" wrote: > An tentative, unedited list of links having something to do with > Buckminster Fuller's proposed Ultra-Micro Computer design. This is an excellent method/system to help others to explore various areas of Bucky's work. I'd like to see you do more of these list of related links under a certain subject. It helps people like me who are interested in only certain aspects of his work and encourages people to think and research for themselves. -- Bill Paton --Solutioneer bpaton@inforamp.net THE DIRECTOR'S TEMPLATE http://www.inforamp.net/~bpaton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:54:47 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: syn-l: quartertet.RBF Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get an IBM-PC clone computer and be compatable with the rest of the world. That's what evolution wants. Everybody can easily communicate with each other without the technology getting in the way. It's a painful lesson to learn. Amiga owners learned the hard way and Mac owners are in the process of learning that lesson now. ============================ Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ---------- From: danu@monitor.net To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: syn-l: quartertet.RBF Date: Wednesday, December 11, 1996 2:48 PM At 8:34 PM 12/11/96, Gerald A. de Jong wrote: >At 07:38 PM 12/11/96 WST, dhamraj wrote: >>RBF_Begin >>[snip] >>RBF_End > >cause for celebration!! we now have a third person on Spaceship Earth >who builds and publishes springnets. > well i've been building them too since you first put your applet on the web, but as i've expressed many times, it's impossible for me to get an rbf file from the applet and i've spent weeks trying to get the standalone _for the mac_ to run struck. i've even given up on getting the $100 stereo-glasses (which i wanted so i could at least see my own productions in stereo) and bought the $100 symantec cafe instead, hoping to find a way to run it. no luck. i know you said more than once that you think it should be possible because java is cross-platform. all i can say is that i and many others have found through experience that all in the actual java world is not as it should ideally be. ie: there seems to be still a lot of bugs, especially in the various mac versions. sigh... well, i'll keep trying, but meanwhile i guess the world will have to wait for my beginner's attempts.. i just wonder how many others there may be who will have the same problems? --danu .- ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 20:17:00 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian K Petroski Subject: Re: Dome 101 In-Reply-To: <32AEF5C8.254A@is.usmo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, Alan wrote: > Could someone help a domester newbie with a couple of questions? > I live in a 50 ft diameter dome which was built without hubs - the > triangles were individually bolted together. The outside is covered > with about 4 inches of foam (I assume it was sprayed) with a layer > of rubber material applied to the foam. > > 1. The sides of the triangles are 5 ft long. How do I determine the > frequency, etc of the dome? > > 2. I downloaded Dome 4.6 for Mac. How do I use it? What is the > argument it asks for? > First I assume your dome is based on an icosahedron, about 90% of them are, but if that assumption is wrong you can throw this whole post out. You dome will have vertexes where five stuts (beams) come together (pents) and some where six struts come together (hexes). Find one of the pent vertexes. No follow a line up the side of the come until you find another pent vertex. Count the number of beams on this line between the two pents. That number if the frequency of your dome. Haven't used that program so I can't help you with the second question. Brian Petroski Just your stereotypical polysexual, bisexual solitary pagan from St. Paul, Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:16:21 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Naoki Tsubo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit photo from _Fuller's Earth: A Day with Bucky and the Kids_ (Japanese edition) "If you have any materials on R.Buckminster, texts, photos, pictures and diagrams, please let me use them in my HomePage. English-written materials are welcome. I will translate them into Japanese so that our non-English-reading fellow can touch Bucky's world." http://okiserve.ar.kagu.sut.ac.jp/okishio_lab/members/95/tsubo/e/ecf/f/ecfF 01i.html Naoki Tsubo naokit@okiserve.ar.kagu.sut.ac.jp ============================ Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:59:16 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Jonathan B. Thompson" Subject: Re: Dome 101 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, if your triangles are 5 feet long, you might try to take the diameter (50) * pi and divide by 5, which will give a rough approximation of one of the five sides of the (most likely) icosahedron. pi *50 ~=157/5=31/5=6 I would guess from what you've told me you have a dome of frequency 6, if it is based on the icosahedron. It may be a frequency 7 dome if based on the octahedron. If based on an icosahedron, the frequency is 72 degrees of the great circle divided by the number of triangles. 90 degrees= octahedron. This is at the great circle parallel with the ground. If you count the number of triangles that have their bottom sides parallel to the ground and divide by 5, the ring with the most triangles should give you the frequency if it is a 5/8 dome. ---------- > From: Alan > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Dome 101 > Date: Wednesday, December 11, 1996 12:56 PM > > Could someone help a domester newbie with a couple of questions? > I live in a 50 ft diameter dome which was built without hubs - the > triangles were individually bolted together. The outside is covered > with about 4 inches of foam (I assume it was sprayed) with a layer > of rubber material applied to the foam. > > 1. The sides of the triangles are 5 ft long. How do I determine the > frequency, etc of the dome? > > 2. I downloaded Dome 4.6 for Mac. How do I use it? What is the > argument it asks for? > > Thanks-- > Al Barrett > barretts@is.usmo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 19:37:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Joyce Burke-Jones MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit American Society of Interior Designers (ASID) "Joyce Burke-Jones, FASID, a 20-year veteran in the interior design field, serves as President-elect of the American Society of Interior Designers and is slated to become the societys twenty-third president." "Burke-Jones is the project manager and market leader for NBBJ, the second largest architectural firm in the country, where her role includes budgets of $500,000 to $15 million dollars. Corporate, university, government and healthcare clients are included in her portfolio." "Previously a principal at Buckminster Fuller, Sadao & Zung, she has been a professional member of ASID since 1981 and has also served the society as vice president, Finance and Administration and as a representative on the AIA National Interiors Committee." http://www.asidnews.com/jbjb.htm ============================ Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 19:53:33 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: BUCKY QUOTE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "To start with, here is an educational bombshell: Take from all of today's industrial nations all their industrial machinery and all their energy-distributing networks, and leave them all their ideologies, all their political leaders, all their political leaders, and all their political organizations, and I can tell you that within six months two billion people will die of starvation, having gone through great pain and deprivation along the way. "However, if we leave the industrial machinery and their energy-producing networks and leave them also all the people who have routine jobs operating the industrial machinery and distributing their products, and we take away from all the industrialized countries all their ideologies and all the politicians and political machine workers, people would keep right on eating. Possibly getting on a little better than before. "The fact is that now - for the first time in the history of man for the last ten years, all the political theories and all the concepts of political functions - in any other than as secondary roles as housekeeping organizations - are completely obsolete. All of them were developed on the you-or-me basis. This whole realization that mankind can and may be comprehensively successful is startling." _Utopia or Oblivion_, page 157. http://www.crl.com/~metaphor/bucky.html ============================ Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 20:08:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: BUCKY EXHIBIT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody have any details about this event? "...at the MIT Museum on October 28, 1991." "...(professors) take in the geodesic atmosphere of the Buckminster Fuller exhibit." http://rleweb.mit.edu/RLE45TH.HTM ============================ Joe S. Moore, Independent Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:31:15 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. Subject: Re: syn-l: quartertet.RBF Joe S. Moore writes: > Get an IBM-PC clone computer and be compatable > with the rest of the world. > That's what evolution wants. I disagree most heartily. What evolution wants is diversity. The narrower the gene pool, the shorter the path to extinction. What happens to evolutionary pathways that have narrowed down to one set of "compatible" options? Ask the dinosaurs. As for the Mac, specifically, it can be pointed to as the single most influential force in personal computing that is responsible for the innovations most of us on this list enjoy today, including, Joe, that graphical user interface that you use your multimedia email with. Do you think Microsoft would have ever come up with Windows if they hadn't first worked on programs like Word and Excel for the Mac? Have you used a DOS-based (non-GUI) version of Word? (I did, on a Toshiba laptop. It, in a word, sucked. It was nothing but a series of obstacles between the ideas in my head and the pixels I wanted on the screen.) (BTW, "compatible" has only one "a" in it.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:22:51 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. Subject: Re: ULTRA-MICRO COMPUTER LINKS bill paton writes: > This is an excellent method/system to help others > to explore various areas of Bucky's work. I'd like > to see you do more of these list of related > links under a certain subject. I agree. Organized in this way, these links are not just information... they are a resource. (I know how much work it represents on your part, Joe, putting them together in this way, and I appreciate it.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:18:12 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: ULTRA-MICRO COMPUTER LINKS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, I agree. This is an improvement. However, I hope to eventually have dozens of URLs organized by topic in the "Links" section of my web site. Joe **************************************** Joe S. Moore Independent R.Buckminster Fuller Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ---------- > From: bill paton > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: ULTRA-MICRO COMPUTER LINKS > Date: Wednesday, December 11, 1996 7:25 AM > > In article <9612101501.aa17065@inside.cruzio.com>, "Joe S. Moore" > wrote: > > > An tentative, unedited list of links having something to do with > > Buckminster Fuller's proposed Ultra-Micro Computer design. > > This is an excellent method/system to help others to explore various areas > of Bucky's work. I'd like to see you do more of these list of related > links under a certain subject. It helps people like me who are interested > in only certain aspects of his work and encourages people to think and > research for themselves. > > -- > Bill Paton --Solutioneer > bpaton@inforamp.net > THE DIRECTOR'S TEMPLATE > http://www.inforamp.net/~bpaton > .- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:55:30 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian K Petroski Subject: Re: syn-l: quartertet.RBF In-Reply-To: <0001C12A.fc@management21.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, J. Michael Rowland wrote: > Joe S. Moore writes: > > Get an IBM-PC clone computer and be compatable > > with the rest of the world. > > That's what evolution wants. > > I disagree most heartily. What evolution wants is diversity. The narrower the > gene pool, the shorter the path to extinction. What happens to evolutionary > pathways that have narrowed down to one set of "compatible" options? Ask the > dinosaurs. Your point is valid, but you choose an example that fails miserably to illustrate it. Dinosaurs as a class were among the most diverse group of animals that ever lived filling nearly every enviornmental nitch now occupied by nearly the entire phylum of mammals. But I digress. The fact is that evolution thrives on diversity. The Dinosaurs were successful for over 130 million years because they were diverse, adaptable, and continued to change to allow them to branch out into new enviornments. Computers likewise need to be able to diversify and adapt in order to reach other markets and excell at other tasks. I do find it ironic that people who preach about IBM compatibles being the only "real" computer always use Windows and always forget that it is nothing more than an imitation of the Mac. I regularly get berated by these people because I can't stand Windows and prefer to work from a DOS enviornment; the one they preached was the only true way back when there were other choices on the market by Commodore, Atari, and a half dozen others. Brian Petroski Just your stereotypical polysexual, bisexual solitary pagan from St. Paul, Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 17:12:15 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Bono Subject: Re: Dome 101 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:56 AM 12/11/96 -0600, you wrote: >Could someone help a domester newbie with a couple of questions? >I live in a 50 ft diameter dome which was built without hubs - the >triangles were individually bolted together. The outside is covered >with about 4 inches of foam (I assume it was sprayed) with a layer > of rubber material applied to the foam. > > 1. The sides of the triangles are 5 ft long. How do I determine the > frequency, etc of the dome? > > 2. I downloaded Dome 4.6 for Mac. How do I use it? What is the > argument it asks for? > Running DOME with no arguments will display a usage screen. The readme file is available at http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/html/readme.html Haven't actually run the Mac version myself but it should not really differ from DOS/UNIX usage. Rick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:28:34 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Subject: Re: syn-l: quartertet.RBF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:31 AM 12/12/96, J. Michael Rowland wrote: >Joe S. Moore writes: >> Get an IBM-PC clone computer and be compatable >> with the rest of the world. >> That's what evolution wants. > >I disagree most heartily. What evolution wants is diversity. The narrower the >gene pool, the shorter the path to extinction. What happens to evolutionary >pathways that have narrowed down to one set of "compatible" options? Ask the >dinosaurs. I share your disagreement. Joe's statement is like Bucky being told that what one individual can accomplish will never be significant and that he should get with the program. But I admire Joe's bravery to step forward and declare what evolution wants. :-) Jack Lazariuk e.mail lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:36:33 -0500 Reply-To: info@censuscd.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Brennan Organization: GeoLytics, Inc. 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I hope it wasn't too obnoxious; I thought since we had just been talking about anti-spam tactics, it might be appropriate to include Geodesics in my reply. jmr ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:36:26 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. Subject: Re: Complete U.S. Census on a Single CD-ROM Comments: To: Michael Brennan Comments: cc: postmaster@censuscd.com, abuse@censuscd.com, MAILER-DAEMON@censuscd.com Yes, my company would be very interested in your compressed census CD-ROM product. Unfortunately, since you have chosen to advertise your product by sending out unauthorized bulk email messages to recipients' PAID accounts, we will be unable to purchase your product. 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Michael Rowland Look & Feel Graphics 800-899-0021 voice ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:33:06 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: TETS & YIN-YANG Comments: To: SYNERGETICS _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "...Goldy tries putting a light inside a translucent tetrahedron." "Next she encloses the illuminated, translucent tetrahedron inside a translucent, plastic sphere." "The light at the system's center casts the shadow lines of the tetrahedron's six edges outwardly and symmetrically onto the plastic sphere to produce the outlines of a spherical tetrahedron." "Goldy draws circles around each of the spherical tetrahedron's four corners of such a unit radius that each of the four circles is tangent to each of the three others." "Using a sharp-edged cutting tool she severingly follows around the perimeter of one circle to its point of tangency with the next adjacent circle, and there she inflects her cutting tool to follow around that next tangent circle to its next point of tangency, where she once more inflects her cutting tool's severance-trace to follow around the next circle to reach the next tangent point." "She repeats this procedure until finally returning to the point of origin she completes the severance and cuts the spherical tetrahedron's surface apart in two similar equi-area sections, each of which corresponds to the two similar, dumbbell-profiled, skin sections of a baseball." "With these two similar, half-a-sphere-surface sections precessingly aimed toward one another in such a manner that the bulge of one section registers symmetrically with the half-circle valley on the other, Goldy finds that she can sew the edges of the sections together around a core to produce a baseball." "Goldy shows the bears that when you look at the baseball with the inflection point of its 'S' pattern 'stitching' located at the circle's center and aimed directly toward you, you will see that the baseball's surface pattern is the same inflection pattern as that of the most profound Oriental symbol--yin-yang." _Tetrascroll_ by R. Buckminster Fuller, page 34. **************************************** Joe S. Moore Independent R.Buckminster Fuller Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:49:27 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: danu@MONITOR.NET Subject: Re: syn-l: TETS & YIN-YANG Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 11:33 AM 12/13/96, Joe S. Moore wrote: >"...Goldy tries putting a light inside a translucent tetrahedron." >_Tetrascroll_ by R. Buckminster Fuller, page 34. thanks for the quote joe. i don't have and have never read tetrascroll (wish i did) but i remember BF refers to the baseball as a 3D yin/yang several times elsewhere. i've often wondered if that's some part of why the japanese are so fanatically in love with baseball, even more so than americans. i see from the syn-dictionary the following cite RBF at Penn Bell videotaping, Phil, 28 jan '75: "Each lobe of a baseball is simply a precessed tringle of a tetrahedron. The baseball is yin-yang-- not in a plane but in universe. The baseball is telling you about precession. Complementaries do precess." also: "Yin-Yang is a picture of a minimum tetrahedron knot interference tyin= g." cite Synergetics Sec 506.14. --danu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 23:53:38 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Jonathan B. Thompson" Organization: Cool Bear Computing Subject: Frequency 100 sphere Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BBE929.245064C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BBE929.245064C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am currently rendering a frequency 100 icosahedron based sphere using POV-Ray. I do not know how long it will take, and I might have to power down my computer due to weather, crash, etc. before it has completed. What would be the interest level in obtaining such a picture? I am rendering using a P133 with 32 megs RAM, a Jaz drive for swap, and am rendering a 24 bit (most likely will convert down to 16 bit when copied) 1024*768 picture. The data was generated with a slightly modified version of Dome 4.6, so that it could handle memory a little better. The reason I was wondering what the interest level was is to determine how readily I might terminate rendering, if I need to do something else, since the rendering is currently allocated about 250 megs of memory, and is giving my Jaz drive the longest workout I think I've tortured a drive to. It has been rendering so far for about 21 hours, and so far it doesn't appear to have done much more than parse the input file (55,791 K) so I don't how many days or weeks this might take. If I don't see proof that some noticeable percentage of scanlines has been rendered in the next day, I think I will most likely terminate it, rather than kill my drive with this constant abuse. ------=_NextPart_000_01BBE929.245064C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am currently rendering a frequency = 100 icosahedron based sphere using POV-Ray.  I do not know how long = it will take, and I might have to power down my computer due to weather, = crash, etc. before it has completed.  What would be the interest = level in obtaining such a picture?  I am rendering using a P133 = with 32 megs RAM, a Jaz drive for swap, and am rendering a 24 bit (most = likely will convert down to 16 bit when copied) 1024*768 = picture.

The data was generated with a slightly modified version = of Dome 4.6, so that it could handle memory a little better.  The = reason I was wondering what the interest level was is to determine how = readily I might terminate rendering, if I need to do something else, = since the rendering is currently allocated about 250 megs of memory, and = is giving my Jaz drive the longest workout I think I've tortured a drive = to.  It has been rendering so far for about 21 hours, and so far it = doesn't appear to have done much more than parse the input file (55,791 = K) so I don't how many days or weeks this might take.  If I don't = see proof that some noticeable percentage of scanlines has been rendered = in the next day, I think I will most likely terminate it, rather than = kill my drive with this constant abuse.

------=_NextPart_000_01BBE929.245064C0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 06:46:17 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Jonathan B. Thompson" Organization: Cool Bear Computing Subject: 100 frequency sphere Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BBE962.2AF09FA0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BBE962.2AF09FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I canceled the 100 frequency sphere, and instead did a 50 frequency sphere at 1280*1024. The minor problem (to some people, anyway) is that it ended up looking like a humongous IVM, because all of the vertexes are depicted as spheres that completely cover any of the edges. The end result is a 50,000 sphere sphere. If anyone would like a copy of this, let me know. BTW, it took 2.5 hours with 32 megs ram on a P133, so it would be easier to download it than to generate it for most computers. So, unless I dabble a little more in POVRay, I might not bother generating the 100 frequency sphere, at least not until I have nothing better to do with my computer for several days or so. Allocating 250 megs really slows things down to a painful crawl. Of course, if I just added another 64 megs of ram, it wouldn't be nearly so bad, but I can't currently afford that! ------=_NextPart_000_01BBE962.2AF09FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, I canceled the 100 frequency = sphere, and instead did a 50 frequency sphere at 1280*1024.  The = minor problem (to some people, anyway) is that it ended up looking like = a humongous IVM, because all of the vertexes are depicted as spheres = that completely cover  any of the edges.  The end result is a = 50,000 sphere sphere.  If anyone would like a copy of this, let me = know.  BTW, it took 2.5 hours with 32 megs ram on a P133, so it = would be easier to download it than to generate it for most = computers.

So, unless I dabble a little more in POVRay, I might = not bother generating the 100 frequency sphere, at least not until I = have nothing better to do with my computer for several days or so. =  Allocating 250 megs really slows things down to a painful crawl. =  Of course, if I just added another 64 megs of ram, it wouldn't be = nearly so bad, but I can't currently afford that!

------=_NextPart_000_01BBE962.2AF09FA0-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:58:34 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: syn-l: Containment/Sublimation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit **************************************** Joe S. Moore Independent R.Buckminster Fuller Scholar joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ---------- > From: Tony and Bonnie DeVarco > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: syn-l: Containment/Sublimation > Date: Friday, December 13, 1996 12:34 AM > > Dear Gerald and everyone, > > I present this gift of the Bucky/Horne dialogue to you in honor of your > great leap presented to others in "containment" on the 12th day of the 12th > month of 1996. It is no accident that you name the process you have > created through your Java microscope, "voxel mitosis." In my mind you are > modeling cell growth and cell breakdown, and the dance of order and > disorder in the Universe. The fact that you have to go back to Bucky's > open triangle to come to your mathematical formula for further > visualizations could not be more perfect. > > The open triangle is the key because it is where the two contain three and > combine to form six. Two aspects containing three angles with both > positive and negative charges at each end come together to make the six > relationships. It is not a circle with an "S" like the yin yang but in 3 > dimensions the angularly coordinated open triangles that combine to form a > tetrahedron. As Bucky states: "The proton and neutron always and only > coexist as action vectors of half-quanta associable as quantum" [caption > for figure 935.23 Syn 2] Bucky also says it is the key to the > particle/wave phenomenon [please return to 935.20 to 936.20 Syn 2 - and > please note that he goes back, like Huygens before him, to the glorious > iceland spar]. In my view what you are doing is no less significant than > what Bucky says in this section. Why oh why oh why are they taking so long > to use the 60 degree coordinate system???? Is it because you have to > combine art and science to truly understand the geometry of the sphere?? > Where are all the artist/scientists in the world? > > Dialogue transcribed from debut show of BBC "Horizons" - "World of > Buckminster Fuller" 1962. > > Dialogue between Buckminster Fuller and Robert Horne, electron microscopist > at Cavendish Laboratory. > > Horne: "I have been looking at basic proteins in the electron microscope. > They're much smaller than virus particles. In fact the size of the protein > is equivalent to some of the small units that people have been seeing on > the surface of viruses. This particular protein is what we call an enzyme; > it's a type of catalyst. It has properties of breaking down chemical > components in biological systems. And this particular enzyme is an > extremely small one. It' s known as glutamic dehydroginase - a rather long > name -- it's a protein with a molecular weight of about a million. And in > the electron microscope in some of these preparations we see these roughly > triangular shaped particles, and in some cases we see a number of sort of > "v shaped or "u" shaped units. molecular levels Well as you can see the > sort of problem, we're right down now to molecular levels and we have a > pretty strong suspicion that the tetrahedal symmetry is coming up again. > > Bucky: Yes, mm hmm > > Horne: We found the icosahedral symmetry as you well know in the viruses. > And going down even further -- we're pushing the microscope more or less to > its limit here as to what we can see directly. I find it rather > fascinating that this type of arrangement is coming up over and over again. > > > Bucky: At the Massachussetts Institute of Technology a professor of > crystallography confronted the computer with the question of what the > coordinate system was. You know about Dr. Loeb? And the computer came > back and said that nature is using 60 degree coordination rather than 90 > degree coordination. That's pretty exciting because it brings us back to > our tetrahedron. > > Horne: It comes back again, yeah. > > I think there are a number of instances where we have this three-fold > symmetrical plan. But what I want to ask you as a matter of interest in > creating order out of disorder like this, What are the possible > configurations? Could you perhaps build it perhaps, of three or multiples > of three? > > Bucky: You could of course do it with six, the six edges of the > tetrahedron. But I find that you can do it very beautifully with three. > > Horne: With three? > > Bucky: Yes. > > Horne: Now this is putting two units rather than three.. > > Bucky: Yes. Two units. (Bonnie's note: Bucky shows Horne the two open > triangles made of clay [see fig. 935.23 in Syn 2 for image of open > triangle] and puts them together into a tetrahedron...) You'll see this > form. I call this an "event." Around this central line here. This is an > action, this is the reaction and that's a resultant. It's necessary to all > action there being reactions and resultants. And they do not occur in 180 > degree planes or lines. There is always a precessional effect, so that as > I call it, a negative event and a positive event and now those come > together and then they give you a tetrahedron. > > Horne: Another tetrahedron...So we could have in fact, a protein which is > folded in this way, the angles being reasonably constant... > > Bucky: Yes, yes, yes. > > Horne: But it would have a positive and negative... > > Bucky: Yes, yes." > > Dialogue transcribed from debut show of BBC "Horizons" - "World of > Buckminster Fuller" 1962. [Horizons shows in most cases turn into the > Nova episodes we see in America. Isn't it amazing to anyone else that the > first one they did featured Bucky?] > > I offer you all one more excerpt from Bucky in honor of sublimation for > those who have a copy of Cosmography (p.163 and 169) on hand. That we all > should return to and re-read at times propitious to this work: > > "[Adjuvant (Kiyoshi) 's note: The following passage, written six weeks > before his death, is Fuller's last known writing, and as such, and also > because of its relvelatory nature, it is quoted in its entirety] > > "The discovery today, Sunday, May 15, at the Good Samaritan Hospital in Los > Angeles [while attending his wife], between 3 pm and 4 pm, of the necessity > to think realistically and structurally only ion terms of the nonexistence > of spheres and therefore to think only in terms of polyvertexia. this > brought about the necessity of realizing that "closest-packed unit-radius > spheres" of the isotropic vector matrix are always polyvertexia in > different orientations with their system centers congruent with the > isotropic vector matrices' vertixes baut the their external structures not > touching each other. These different systems state (Willard Gibbs's gases, > liquids, and crystallines) had different orientations, ergo three different > system radii, i.e., (a) when situate closest to one another but not > touching vertex-to-vertex, they are single-bonded as gases; (b) anywhen > next most remotely intersituate they are edge-to-edge double-bonded as > liquids; and (c) most remotely and as yet evenly intersituated they are > face-to-face, i.e. triple-bonded as the crystalline phase of physical state. > > "Ergo, since two polyvertexia's vertexial events cannot occupy the same > space at the same time, the two outermost vertexes of each of the two > single-vertex-interbonding polyvertexia are not congruent but are at > critical proximity distance from one another to accommodate their > respective gaseous system integrity states. Teh single bonded gaseous > phase of "spherics" are not congruent and must be spaces apart, and are > only intercohered by Newton's law [see tensegrity discussion in section on > Fuller-Snyder law, Fig. 6.21]. > > "This brings us to Boyle's [Avogadro's] law: "Under identical conditions > of heat and pressure, the same number of molecules of all gases of all > elements will always occupy the same volume." Bit Boyle's [Avogadro's] law > does not say how closely to one another the molecules must be situate > within the given volume. > > "This brings us also to Willard Gibb's phase rule governing the number of > degrees of freedom or energy behavior permissions necessary for its glass > of ice water's water vapor, its water, and its ice to come together as the > same phase and thus to occupy the same volume or space in Universe. > > "Gibbs's phase rule reminds us that the present-day physicist's unit of > volumetric measure is that of the cube of water one centimeter to the edge > at a given temperature (due to expansion and contraction between gaseous, > liquid, and crystalline phases of matter). > > "All foregoing discoveries, thoughts, and accounting lead to the intuitive > holding on to the bolumetric relationship of the spherical "fiveness" > relative to the rhombic dodecahedron's sixness within which our yesterday's > "unit-radius spheres" were misconceptioned to be tangentially situated and > which "spheres" were wrongly thought of only as solids. > > "We now realize that the polyvertexia are single-bonded as gases, and in > fact are remote from one another, and only tensegrity intercoherence has > greater possible radius and lesser radiuses when double-bonded as liquid > and is of lesser radius again whencrystallinely phased (which explains why > Planck's constant is 6.625+ instead of 6.2666 . . . to correct for the cube > being threefold the unit bvolume of the tetravertexion). And all of the > foregoing make clear that all isotropic vector matrices as the framework of > reference of all energy phenomena must be considered only in their greatest > radius phase, i.e., its gaseous, singl-bonded, vertex-to-vertex cohered > tensegrity state. Since the sphere does not exist, 3.14159 . . . does no > exist and the special-case "atom" and "molecule" spheric polyvertexion > occupant of each rhombic dodecahedron of isotropic vector matrix > referencing volume of 6 can be alternate "phase" and operatively reoriented > within the volume 5 domain as its convergent-divergent average of its > interphase "state."" > > [signed] Buckminster Fuller > at the 15th hour of 5/15/83, with thanks to God, > the eternal sum of all truths. > > Cosmography (p.163 and 169) > > > And I ask you, Isn't volume really frequency???? "Lumps" are far less > elegant than harmonics. > > With great admiration, > > Bonnie > > > .- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:55:14 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: syn-l: haiku 15: Dual-Unity TET-KNOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ---------- From: danu@monitor.net To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Subject: syn-l: haiku 15: Dual-Unity TET-KNOT Date: Saturday, December 14, 1996 9:47 AM TET-KNOT Is rope in the knot or, is it 'knot in the rope' (_or__ not in the rope!) Dual-Unity does at minimum involve four that relate through six. -Haiku-Tet by danu (12/96) (Tet = Knot = self-interfering pattern integrity = 2 interlaced circles = 2 finite unities = dual-unity = 270degrees) note: 'Peace' and 'Song' should have been numbered haiku 13 and 14. .- ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 01:41:57 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian K Petroski Subject: Re: Frequency 100 sphere In-Reply-To: <01bbe953$0cd28060$b3a12299@drminddbender.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Jonathan B. Thompson wrote: > I am currently rendering a frequency 100 icosahedron based sphere using > POV-Ray. I do not know how long it will take, and I might have to power > down my computer due to weather, crash, etc. before it has completed. What > would be the interest level in obtaining such a picture? I am rendering > using a P133 with 32 megs RAM, a Jaz drive for swap, and am rendering a 24 > bit (most likely will convert down to 16 bit when copied) 1024*768 picture. Please do not post any pictures here. This newsgroup is also a mailing list so anything posted here winds up taking up space in many people's private mail boxes. With the disk space limit place on my personal account by my server pictures in here could very quickly cause my box to over flow and result in my other e-mail being bounced back. Brian Petroski Just your stereotypical polysexual, bisexual solitary pagan from St. Paul, Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 00:00:15 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: *SEMI-MONTHLY POSTING* - GEODESIC 'how-to' info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the semi-monthly "How To" file about the GEODESIC list. It has info on content and purpose of the list, as well as subscription info, posting instructions, etc. It should prove useful to new subscribers, as well as those who are unfamiliar with LISTSERV operations. This message is being posted on Sun Dec 15 00:00:10 PST 1996. 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Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 09:46:38 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ross Keatinge Subject: Re: Frequency 100 sphere In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 01:41:57 -0600, you wrote: > Please do not post any pictures here. This newsgroup is also a >mailing list so anything posted here winds up taking up space in many >people's private mail boxes. With the disk space limit place on my >personal account by my server pictures in here could very quickly cause >my box to over flow and result in my other e-mail being bounced back. Also, be aware that in some parts of the world, New Zealand for example, it is common for internet users to pay by network traffic, ie internet providers count the Mb and that is what you get billed for. Getting an unexpected large email message is usually not appreciated Regards Ross -- Ross Keatinge rossk@ihug.co.nz Auckland, New Zealand ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 11:46:24 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: syn-l: TETS & YIN-YANG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ---------- > From: Tony and Bonnie DeVarco > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: syn-l: TETS & YIN-YANG > Date: Saturday, December 14, 1996 12:09 AM (snip, snip) > From syn vol 1 613.01 Bucky writes: > > "Open Triangular Spiral Events Form Polyhedra: > Open triangular spirals may be combined to make a variety of different > figures. Note that the tetrahedron and icosahedron require both left-and > right-handed (positive and negative) spirals in equal numbers, whereas > other polyhedra require spirals of only one-handedness. . ." > > Then in 614.01 he writes: > > "A triangle's three-vector parts constitute a basic event. Each triangle > consists of three interlinked vectors. In the picture, we are going to add > one triangle to the other (see illustration 511.10.) In conventional > arithmetic, one triangle plus one triangle equals two triangles. The two > triangles represent two basic events operating in Universe. But > experientially triangles do not occur in planes. They are always > omnidimensional positive or negative helixes. You may say that we do not > have any right to break the triangle's three-sided rims open in order to > add them together, but the answer is that the triangles were never closed, > because no line can ever come completely back 'into' or 'through' itself. > Two lines cannot be passed through a given point at the same time. One > will be superimposed on the other. Therefore, the superimposition of one > end of a triangular closure upon another end produces a spiral -- a very > flat spiral, indeed, but openly superimposed at each of its three corners, > the opening magnitude being within the critical limit of mass attraction's > 180 degree 'falling-in' effect. The triangle's open ended ends are within > critical proximity and mass-attractively intercohered, as are each and all > of the separate atoms in each of all the six separate structural members of > the necklace-structure triangle. All coherent substances are 'Milky Way' > clouds of critically proximate atomic 'stars'." (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 17:11:31 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Jonathan B. Thompson" Subject: Re: Frequency 100 sphere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is why I am simply offering it. I canceled the 100 frequency one, but generated the 50 frequency one. I am not insensitive enough to impose on everyone the chunk of data for a picture to go to everybody. I've converted the 50 frequency sphere to a JPEG, and it only is about 200K, at 1280*1024 at 16 bit color. As of yet, I do not have a web page, but if you individually ask for it, I can send it. It will not be posted to the list for everyone to be required to download. If you want a copy of it, send e-mail to: coolbear@earthlink.net and ask for the 50 frequency sphere. ---------- From: Ross Keatinge To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Frequency 100 sphere Date: Sunday, December 15, 1996 4:46 AM On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 01:41:57 -0600, you wrote: > Please do not post any pictures here. This newsgroup is also a >mailing list so anything posted here winds up taking up space in many >people's private mail boxes. With the disk space limit place on my >personal account by my server pictures in here could very quickly cause >my box to over flow and result in my other e-mail being bounced back. Also, be aware that in some parts of the world, New Zealand for example, it is common for internet users to pay by network traffic, ie internet providers count the Mb and that is what you get billed for. Getting an unexpected large email message is usually not appreciated Regards Ross -- Ross Keatinge rossk@ihug.co.nz Auckland, New Zealand ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 22:57:36 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: rjbono@HILINE.NET Organization: HiLINE Internet Services, Inc. Subject: Re: 100 frequency sphere Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 14 Dec 1996 06:46:17 GMT, "Jonathan B. Thompson" wrote: >Well, I canceled the 100 frequency sphere, and instead did a 50 frequency >sphere at 1280*1024. The minor problem (to some people, anyway) is that it >ended up looking like a humongous IVM, because all of the vertexes are >depicted as spheres that completely cover any of the edges. The end >result is a 50,000 sphere sphere. If anyone would like a copy of this, let >me know. BTW, it took 2.5 hours with 32 megs ram on a P133, so it would be >easier to download it than to generate it for most computers. > >So, unless I dabble a little more in POVRay, I might not bother generating >the 100 frequency sphere, at least not until I have nothing better to do >with my computer for several days or so. Allocating 250 megs really slows >things down to a painful crawl. Of course, if I just added another 64 megs >of ram, it wouldn't be nearly so bad, but I can't currently afford that! You can change the default sphere and cylinder diameter setting to some lower value in the DOME.INC file. This should help customize the appearance. Try rendering small tests images until you get what you want then run at "full" size. generally the higher the frequency, the more you have to tweak the element sizes i n the dome.inc file. I've been using POVray for windows 3.0. This program allows you to stop and restart rendering. This is handy if you want to recover from power failures, or just want to free your machine up. I believe that the DOS verson also supports this feature (but I may be wrong). Rick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:52:00 +0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jester!!! Subject: Christmas Jokes Comments: To: PhilArch Mail List , Synergetics Mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends, Relax guys, read a joke and have some laugh.... Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you!!! Jester! *********************************** > Dearest John, > I went to the door today and the postman delivered a Partridge in > a > Pear Tree. What a thoroughly delightful gift. I couldn't have been > more > surprised. > With deepest love and affection, > Aberdeen > > December 15, 1995 > > Dearest John, > Today the postman brought your very sweet gift. Just imagine, Two > Turtle Doves! I'm delighted at your very thoughtful gift. They are > just > adorable. You big silly, what next? > All my love, > Aberdeen > > December 16,1995 > > Dear John, > Oh! Aren't you the extravagant one! Now I really must protest. I > don't deserve such generosity--Three French Hens. They are just > darling, > but I must insist, you've been too kind. > Love, > Aberdeen > > December 17, 1995 > > Dear John, > Today the postman delivered Four Calling Birds. Now, really, > they're beautiful but don't you think enough is enough? You're being > too > romantic. > Affectionately, > Aberdeen > > December 18,1995 > > Dearest John, > What a surprise! Today the postman delivered Five Golden Rings; > one for every finger. You're just impossible, but I love it. Frankly, > all these birds squawking were beginning to get on my nerves. > All my love, > Aberdeen > > December 19, 1995 > > Dear John, > When I opened the door there were actually Six Geese A-Laying on > my > front steps. So you're back to the birds again, huh? Those geese are > huge. Where will I ever keep them? The neighbors are complaining, and I > can't sleep through the racket. Please Stop. > Cordially, > Aberdeen > > December 20, 1995 > > John: > What's with you and those fucking birds? Seven Swans-A-Swimming. > What kind of goddamn joke is this? There's bird shit all over the > house, > and they never stop with the racket. I can't sleep at night, and I'm a > nervous wreck. It's not funny , so stop with those fucking birds. > Sincerely, > Aberdeen > > December 21, 1995 > > Okay Buster: > I think I prefer the birds. What the hell am I going to do with > Eight maids-A-Milking? It's not enough with all those birds and > maids-a-milking, but they had to bring their goddamn cows. There's shit > all over the lawn, and I can't move in my own house. What are you doing > to me? Just lay off me, smart-ass! > > Aberdeen > > December 22, 1995 > > Hey Shithead: > What are you, some kind of sadist? Now there's Nine Pipers > Playing. And Christ, do they play! They've never stopped chasing those > maids since they got here yesterday morning. The cows are getting upset > and they're stepping all over those screeching birds. What am I going > to > do? The neighbors have started a petition to evict me. > You'll get yours, > Aberdeen > > December 23, 1995 > > You Rotten Prick: Now there's Ten Ladies Dancing. I don't know why > they call those sluts ladies. They have been balling those pipers all > night long. Now the cows can't sleep and they've got diarrhea. My > living room is a river of shit. The commissioner of Buildings has > subpoenaed me to give cause why the building shouldn't be condemned. > I'm > going to sic the police on you. > One who means it, > Venomously, > Aberdeen > > December 24, 1995 > > Listen Fuckhead: > What's with the Eleven Lords-A-Leaping on those maids and ladies? > Some of those broads will never walk again. Those pipers ran through > the > maids and have been committing sodomy with the cows. All twenty-three > birds are dead. They've been trampled to death in the orgy. I hope > you're satisfied, you rotten, viscious swine. > You're sworn enemy, > Aberdeen > > Law Offices > Badger, Bander, and Cajole > > December 26, 1995 > > Dear Sir, > This is to acknowledge your latest gift of Twelve Fiddler's > Fiddling, which you have seen fit to inflict on our client, Miss > Aberdeen > McHolstein. The destruction, of course, was total. All correspondence > should come to our attention. If you should attempt to > reach Miss McHolstein at the Happy Dale Sanitarium, the attendants have > instructions to shoot you on sight. With this letter, please find > attached a warrant for your arrest. > > Cordially, > > Badger, Bender, and Cajole ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 04:43:03 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spenella@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Frequency 100 sphere Please send 50 frequency sphere Thank you CJ Spenella ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 05:58:17 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: paragon Organization: EBI Comm, Internet Service Provider Subject: START YOUR OWN LISTSERV NOW NOW YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN LIST SERVER FOR ONLY $5.00 A MONTH!!!!!! Any Topic, No Restrictions, No Volume Limits. Send Message by Message or Digest Format! We host and keep up the list for you..We do all the work...and have all necessary equipment. Starting your own list does not require you to have any additional equipment or even a direct full-time connection to the internet. We will host your list for only $5.00 a month. The only requirement is that you have a permanent e-mail address. Want More Info? Don't Know What a ListServ Is??? Visit our Web Page at http://pgos.com/public/listserv/index.html or you may e-mail LISTADMIN@PGOS.COM for more information. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:51:40 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. L." Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Subject: Help: S. W. Carey - The Expanding Earth theory... Help: S. W. Carey - The Expanding Earth theory... Can anyone help me to either find S. W. Carey (if he's still alive!) or any of his writings. I believe he wrote a number of papers about it as well as a book published by Standord. I'm doing some research and would like to contact him, or any other geologists with a similar frame of mind... Kindly reply by e-mail. Thanks. Cheers, Jan... * Ignorant people think it's the noise which fighting cats make that is aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening grammar they use. (Mark Twain) * No one's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. (Mark Twain) * What do politicians and porn stars have in common? They're both experts at changing positions in front of the camera. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 08:23:18 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: JustWINK Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: syn-l: TETS & YIN-YANG As to the yin-yang/baseball analogy- The symbol being discussed here (minus the opposing spots) is sometimes called a monad. In THE AMBIDEXTROUS UNIVERSE, Martin Gardner cited this correspondence (mentioning Piet Heins as well), stating that the baseball was a 3D analog to the monad. Well, I hated to be the one to correct Mr. Gardner, for whom I have great respect, and I hate even more to contradict Bucky in this group, but... IT AIN'T SO! I have gone to great lengths to render the 3D analog to the monad and a sculptor friend made a rough version. It is nothing like a baseball, but is very much like its lower-dimension analog. Think of the features of the monad and raise each one by one dimension. Or, think of the features of a baseball and lower each one by one dimension. I may be away for a week or two, so will leave those of you who are interested in this to consider the matter. Should there be sufficient interest, I will post an illustration of the shape(s) to a web page. It is a worthwhile exercise for those who wish to develop their ability to think trans-dimensionally. C.E.Peck ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:36:59 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian K Petroski Subject: Re: Help: S. W. Carey - The Expanding Earth theory... In-Reply-To: <5939js$en8_001@196-7-116-226.iafrica.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, J. L. wrote: > * No one's life, liberty or property is safe while > the legislature is in session. (Mark Twain) > * What do politicians and porn stars have in common? They're both > experts at changing positions in front of the camera. Reflecting on the first quote I would have said the answer to "What do politicians and pron stars have in common?" is that they both make a living by screwing people. Brian Petroski Just your stereotypical polysexual, bisexual solitary pagan from St. Paul, Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 01:00:19 +0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "B.D.S. Rallon" Subject: Back Issues Comments: To: Synergetics Mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To whom this may concern: How can one read the letters sent before one became a subscriber of the Geodesic and Synergetics-L electronic mailing list? I'm interested in getting the letters sent to the abovementioned mailing lists on or after 02 November 1996. B.D.S. Rallon dsrallon@philonline.com.ph ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:45:28 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: BUCKY PIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The MacTutor History of Mathematics Archive: Black & white pic of Bucky standing in front of a Temcor dome in Moscow, Russia. http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/BigPictures/Fuller.jpeg **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:03:46 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Jonathan B. Thompson" Subject: Re: 100 frequency sphere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Rick. For those who would like a copy of the 50 frequency sphere, who would like the current one (with dominating spheres, looks somewhat like a giant IVM) or would you rather wait for one that looks more like a regular structure? ---------- > From: rjbono@HILINE.NET > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: 100 frequency sphere > Date: Sunday, December 15, 1996 5:57 PM > > On 14 Dec 1996 06:46:17 GMT, "Jonathan B. Thompson" > wrote: > >Well, I canceled the 100 frequency sphere, and instead did a 50 frequency > >sphere at 1280*1024. The minor problem (to some people, anyway) is that it > >ended up looking like a humongous IVM, because all of the vertexes are > >depicted as spheres that completely cover any of the edges. The end > >result is a 50,000 sphere sphere. If anyone would like a copy of this, let > >me know. BTW, it took 2.5 hours with 32 megs ram on a P133, so it would be > >easier to download it than to generate it for most computers. > > > >So, unless I dabble a little more in POVRay, I might not bother generating > >the 100 frequency sphere, at least not until I have nothing better to do > >with my computer for several days or so. Allocating 250 megs really slows > >things down to a painful crawl. Of course, if I just added another 64 megs > >of ram, it wouldn't be nearly so bad, but I can't currently afford that! > > You can change the default sphere and cylinder diameter setting to > some lower value in the DOME.INC file. This should help customize the > appearance. Try rendering small tests images until you get what you > want then run at "full" size. generally the higher the frequency, the > more you have to tweak the element sizes i n the dome.inc file. > > I've been using POVray for windows 3.0. This program allows you to > stop and restart rendering. This is handy if you want to recover from > power failures, or just want to free your machine up. I believe that > the DOS verson also supports this feature (but I may be wrong). > > > Rick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:09:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: D'AMICO'S HOME PAGE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New web site for Blaine D'Amico! http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~damico/damico.html **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:06:38 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: BUCKY QUOTE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Foreign competition with its lower wages and prices will force U.S. labor's decision to authorize full-scale automation as the only alternative to lowering of wages and standard of living. Far more than just a 'great benefit', automation will prove to be a lifesaver." R. Buckminster Fuller, 1970 **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:42:03 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: DOME PROTOTYPE Comments: cc: DOMES _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Welcome to Orhan Beckman's Place "My friend Fred has in his back yard one of the last geodesic domes Buckminster Fuller built. It was originally constructed sometime in the late 1970s at a boat yard in Rye, New York, where Buckminster spent the last years of his life. It is self-ventilating/cooling (designed, I believe, for tropical climates), has a diameter of about 20 feet, and can be easily assembled/disassembled." If you are interested in the dome, click here: 76550.1036@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/orhan_beckman/bucky.htm **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:29:03 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: Re: Back Issues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit B.D.S. Rallon wrote: > How can one read the letters sent before one became a subscriber of > the Geodesic and Synergetics-L electronic mailing list? http://www.bfi.org/archives.html -- -k. erixon - setebos@wolfe.net http://www.wolfe.net/~setebos/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:10:00 +1000 Reply-To: practopi@future.com.au Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dean Ervik Organization: Future Reality Suite 12/67-69 Alexander St. Crows Nest, NSW 2065, Sydney,Australia. Subject: Unsubscribing to GEODESIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jaaaaane!!! Get me off this crazy thang!! (a la Jetsons) How do I unsubscribe? ....anyone? -- Dean Ervik Software Specialist Future Reality Suite 12/ 67-69 Alexander St. Crows Nest Sydney 2065 NSW, Australia mailto:practopi@future.com.au Company Web: http://www.future.com.au My Web: http://www.future.com.au/dean ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 18:29:55 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: TOGNON Marco Subject: Re: BUCKY QUOTE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even more true today. Marco from Belgium ---------- > From: Joe S. Moore > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: BUCKY QUOTE > Date: 16 December 1996 22:06 > > "Foreign competition with its lower wages and prices will force U.S. > labor's decision to authorize full-scale automation as the only > alternative to lowering of wages and standard of living. Far more than > just a 'great benefit', automation will prove to be a lifesaver." > > R. Buckminster Fuller, 1970 > **************************************** > * Joe S. Moore > * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar > * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute > * http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:38:18 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: NEW BUCKY PIC! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Figure 8: Marshall McLuhan and Buckminster Fuller, Bahamas, January 1970. http://www.media-gn.nl/people/johannvdS/mmarshall.html **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 17:35:27 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: TENSEGRITY & JITTERBUG MODELS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Online Enterprises "These geometric toys will delight you for hours as you learn about the principles of tensegrity and geodesic building." Email at glawton@best.com Fax at 415-467-1631 Phone at 415-467-8779 http://www.best.com/~glawton/ **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:21:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: DOME MANUF Comments: To: DOMES _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IDESA Geodesic Dome Aviaries <3 nice pictures> "For more than 30 years, IDESA has been building large-span structures for a large variety of industrial and architectural applications, including half-sphere geodesic dome aviaries for bird rescue & rehab centers, wildlife conservation facilities and zoos." KETTNER & ASSOCIATES, INC. (representatives) 1200 W. SIERRA LANE MEQUON, WI 53092-6054 PHONE: 414-241-4697 1-800-334-5330 FAX: 414-241-8768 E-Mail: 103061.244@compuserve.com http://www.aza.org/kettner/idesa.html **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://bbs.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:42:15 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Francis McKenna Organization: BCTEL Advanced Communications Subject: Re: Back Issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit B.D.S. Rallon wrote: > > To whom this may concern: > > How can one read the letters sent before one became a subscriber of the > Geodesic and Synergetics-L electronic mailing list? I'm interested in > getting the letters sent to the abovementioned mailing lists on or after > 02 November 1996. > > B.D.S. Rallon > dsrallon@philonline.com.ph Am I mistaken or can you not just go to Deja News and recall any past articles posted to this newsgroup? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:53:18 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Vinay Gupta Subject: Looking for level-second-tier nodes dome geometry reference Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com Somewhere in bucky's voluminous patents, he outlines a dome geometry which has the standard geodesic geometry tweaked such that the first line of nodes above the ground are all at the same height above the ground rather than following a great circle and thereby bouncing up and down relative to the ground. Does anybody know which of the published works contains this patent, or if any other book or site replicates the information? thanks, vinay gupta ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 16:25:36 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: GEODESICS IN RUSSIA Comments: cc: DOMES _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Novosibirsk Institute of Geodesic Engineering Address: 10, ul.Plakhotnogo, Novosibirsk, 630108, Russia Head: Lesnych Ivan Vasilievich Phone: (3832) 43-39-37 Fax: (3832) 43-39-37 E-mail: geoi@niigaik.nsk.su Founded: 1933 Employees: 3000 http://emir.emc.dk/NIS/NovInofGeEn/general.html **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:15:16 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: D'AMICO'S HOME PAGE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Joe S. Moore" wrote: >New web site for Blaine D'Amico! > >http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~damico/damico.html I added a link to Blaine's page from my: ftp://ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/artindex.html which is actually a web page, though it looks like maybe it isn't. Kirby Synergetics on the Web ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:19:32 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: TENSEGRITY & JITTERBUG MODELS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $15 dollars for a wood down and rubber joints jitterbug is too high in my estimation, though I don't know what BFI is charging either. Kirby BFI webmaster "Joe S. Moore" wrote: >Online Enterprises > >"These geometric toys will delight you for hours as you learn about the >principles of tensegrity and geodesic building." > >Email at glawton@best.com >Fax at 415-467-1631 >Phone at 415-467-8779 > >http://www.best.com/~glawton/ ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 17:29:32 -0800 Reply-To: oregon@ordata.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Oregon Dome Organization: Oregon Dome, Inc. Subject: Dome Raising in Florida Comments: To: geodesic@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu, DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Dome Folks, We've got a dome raising coming up down in the Ft. Meyers, FL area on December 28. I know that for many, this is a bad time of year to go out raisin', but it is a good chance to get some first hand experience with a panelized geodesic dome. If you want directions, drop me a note at the address below so I can get them to you and add you to the guest list. Keep an occasional eye on our web site, where an updated list of coming events is maintained. I completely forgot to announce last weekend's three dome raisings to the mailing lists, so the web site has been far more reliable than trusting me to post info here. -- Thanks, Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. E-mail: oregon@domes.com Web: http://www.domes.com Address: 3215 Meadow Lane, Eugene OR 97402 Fax: (541) 689-9275 Phone: (800) 572-8943 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:03:14 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Bono Subject: Re: TENSEGRITY & JITTERBUG MODELS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jitterbug models are simple to make out of 3/8" or 1/4" dowel sticks and about a foot and a half of surgical tubing. Good tubing is hard to find though. Rick At 11:19 PM 12/18/96 GMT, you wrote: >$15 dollars for a wood down and rubber joints jitterbug >is too high in my estimation, though I don't know what >BFI is charging either. > >Kirby >BFI webmaster > >"Joe S. Moore" wrote: > >>Online Enterprises >> >>"These geometric toys will delight you for hours as you learn about the >>principles of tensegrity and geodesic building." >> >>Email at glawton@best.com >>Fax at 415-467-1631 >>Phone at 415-467-8779 >> >>http://www.best.com/~glawton/ > >---------------------------------------------------- >Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU >Email: pdx4d@teleport.com >Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:44:04 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Vinay Gupta Subject: Trying to find a reference to a "truncatable" dome geometry Hi - posted on this a few days ago, but didn't see it come through - just after I subscribed I guess could have been the problem. I remember being told by a friend about a patent or other published work by that fuller fellow :-) that described a "tweaked" dome geometry which had a second level of nodes which were level with the first level - i.e. for a four frequency, one could just omit the last set of struts and be left with the classic 3/8ths dome geometry. But..... which book? Could anybody provide me with a pointer here? vinay gupta ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:17:11 -0800 Reply-To: oregon@ordata.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Oregon Dome Organization: Oregon Dome, Inc. Subject: Raisin' Dome in Portland, OR Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This January 4, we'll be raising dome in Portland, OR. It will be a 39' 5/8 sphere dome with a cupola on top. Everyone is invited, drop me a note if you wish to attend. It is a great chace to get to know the dome parts up close and personal. It will take place from 8:00 am until dusk and then again on Sunday until the dome is a complete framed and sheathed shell. -- Thanks, Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. E-mail: oregon@domes.com Web: http://www.domes.com Address: 3215 Meadow Lane, Eugene OR 97402 Fax: (541) 689-9275 Phone: (800) 572-8943 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 23:02:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: FWD: [Re: syn-l: TETS & YIN-YANG] This may not have made it to the list. It may have gotten tied up in some list processing. Just in case... ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 06:30:25 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Buffalo (1.8c)" Subject: GEODESIC: possible spam from NETNEWS@AMERICAN.EDU To: Patrick Salsbury , salsbury@NETCOM.COM ----------------- Message requiring verification (72 lines) ------------------- Received: (qmail 27145 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1996 11:30:22 -0000 Received: from auvm.american.edu (smtp@147.9.1.2) by listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 19 Dec 1996 11:30:22 -0000 Received: from AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2443; Thu, 19 Dec 96 06:28:24 EST Received: from AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (NJE origin NETNEWS@AUVM) by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3414; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 06:28:25 -0500 To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Sender: Path: auvm!paladin.american.edu!news-relay.us.dell.com!natinst.com! cs.utexas.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!worldn et.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!206.58.0.35!news.structured.net!nntp.teleport.com!n ntp0.teleport.com!usenet From: pdx4d@teleport.com (Kirby Urner) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic Subject: Re: syn-l: TETS & YIN-YANG Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 00:45:10 GMT Organization: 4D Solutions Lines: 44 Message-ID: <32b98f80.27381244@news.teleport.com> References: <19961216082200.DAA03228@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-pdx16-30.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 Xref: paladin.american.edu bit.listserv.geodesic:6318 Your research sounds fun. The baseball stitching pattern, viewed in profile, looks like a yin-yang. Simple. Nothing 'transdimensional' here, just an experiential fact. I don't know what Gardner claimed. Sounds deep. Your investigation sounds even deeper. Kirby justwink@aol.com (JustWINK) wrote: >As to the yin-yang/baseball analogy- >The symbol being discussed here (minus the >opposing spots) is sometimes called a monad. >In THE AMBIDEXTROUS UNIVERSE, Martin Gardner >cited this correspondence (mentioning Piet Heins >as well), stating that the baseball was a 3D analog >to the monad. >Well, I hated to be the one to correct Mr. Gardner, >for whom I have great respect, and I hate even more >to contradict Bucky in this group, but... >IT AIN'T SO! >I have gone to great lengths to render the 3D analog >to the monad and a sculptor friend made a rough >version. It is nothing like a baseball, but is very much >like its lower-dimension analog. >Think of the features of the monad and raise each one >by one dimension. Or, think of the features of a baseball >and lower each one by one dimension. >I may be away for a week or two, so will leave those of >you who are interested in this to consider the matter. >Should there be sufficient interest, I will post an >illustration of the shape(s) to a web page. It is a >worthwhile exercise for those who wish to develop >their ability to think trans-dimensionally. >C.E.Peck ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- Pat _____________________________Think For Yourself______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't browse the internet, study it. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 08:48:51 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Trying to find a reference to a "truncatable" dome geometry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Once upon a time, Vinay Gupta shaped the electrons to say... >I remember being told by a friend about a patent or other published work >by that fuller fellow :-) that described a "tweaked" dome geometry which >had a second level of nodes which were level with the first level - i.e. >for a four frequency, one could just omit the last set of struts and be >left with the classic 3/8ths dome geometry. > >But..... which book? Could anybody provide me with a pointer here? I would love also to see a reference, but the quickest source I can suggest is to call Natural Spaces Domes (Dennis Johnson), and ask him about this subject. He uses this "tweaked" set-up on all his domes, thus allowing a "Low Profile" (loft only) and "High Profile" (full 2nd floor) version of each dome kit he sells. The geometry is very close to "classic", but the fact that both the 5/8ths version and the 3/8ths version of the same dome have parallel truncation lines means that a purist might point out a weakness or potential deformation in a dome created from zero-width lines on paper or a computer. I am not a purist, so I simply point out that Dennis uses 2x8s for all structural struts (talk about overkill!). An updated version of "A Christmas Carol" would still have Marley's Ghost visit Scrooge, but it would be BOB Marley, playing a calypso... james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 15:50:07 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Menu user Organization: University Library Utrecht Subject: Re: hammer thrrower cosmology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit number 6 appear quite frequently; for example in avogadro number, in Planck constant, i think also in the earth weight(of course that is not exact). 6= 1 x 2 x 3. any commonts! by the way, have anyone tried Fuller experiement of asking more difficult question everyday, and answered from own experience! i first tried it 2 days ago, my first question which was i picked schotastically( i need to rest) was what was violent motion. not very intutive question, is already answered bu Aristotle Galilo and Newton. it feels that its answer seem to be mechanical, no feelin or intution went into it. my second question is what is a wave, tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 11:19:07 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: A'yin Da'ath Subject: No pi? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi. I have a question, regarding something I heard on another list. It was mentioned that Bucky Fuller was able to develop a nice system of mathematics that didn't involve the use of pi, that pain-in-the-ass number that everyone has to love and memorize to the 50th digit so as to impress their friends. Anyone know anything about this? Something preferably not TOO technical, since mathematics aren't my strong suit, generally. X -=The Bornless One=- "Life, in this world," he said, "is, as it were, a sojourn in a cave. What can we know of reality? For all we see of the true nature of existance is, shall we say, no more than bewildering and amusing shadows cast upon the inner wall of the cave by the unseen blinding light of absolute truth, from which we may or may not deduce some glimmer of veracity, and we as troglodyte seekers of wisdom can only lift our voices to the unseen and say, humbly, 'Go on, do Deformed Rabbit... it's my favorite.'" -- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:51:41 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: BUCKY QUOTE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "When we approach our problems on a universal, general systems basis and progressively eliminate the irrelevancies, somewhat as we peel petals from an artichoke, at each move we leave in full visibility the next important layer of factors with which we must deal." "We gradually uncover you and me in the heart of now." "But evolution requires that we comprehend each layer in order to unpeel it." "We have now updated our definitions of universe by conforming them with the most recent and erudite scientific findings such as those of Einstein and Planck." "Earlier in our thinking we discovered man's function in universe to be that of the most effective metaphysical capability experimentally evidenced thus far within our locally observable phases and time zones of universe." "We have also discovered that it is humanity's task to comprehend and set in order the special case facts of human experience, and to win therefrom knowledge of the a priori existence of a complex of generalized, abstract principles which apparently altogether govern all physically evolving phenomena of universe." _OPERATING MANUAL FOR SPACESHIP EARTH_ by Buckminster Fuller, page 121. **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 18:52:15 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: syn-l: Re: The imminent future MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ---------- > From: Kirby Urner > To: mn8@idt.net > Cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: syn-l: Re: The imminent future > Date: Saturday, December 21, 1996 4:29 PM > > At 03:27 PM 12/21/96 -0800, you wrote: > >Hi Kirby we here at mN8 Interactive are in early discussions with the > >Buckminster Fuller Instite to digitze and transcribe their 42 hours. We > >will be using a revolutionary new product which we here at mN8 have > >positioned in the market place. (mN8 is a Interactive Advertising and > >Marketing Agency.) We have also developed a new form of media buying for > >the web, betacapsule.com. Check us out. We (if all plans go well) will > >have a full 3 month long story inside of betacapsule about the 42 > >hours, BFI, and Digital LAVA. (Our client.) > > > >Cheers Michael Glock > > Sounds most interesting. Best wishes with your project! > > Kirby > BFI webmaster (for a few more hours) > ---------------------------------------------------- > Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ > > .- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 21:49:56 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: BUCKY FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE Comments: To: SYNERGETICS _LIST , DOMES _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everybody, I've now got a few pics installed at my web site (see below--especially in the "Selected Ideas of RBF" section. Please keep in mind that my site will probably always be "under construction". Your comments and suggestions are welcome. Joe **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 00:03:10 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: fwd [Re: hammer thrrower cosmology] ------- Start of forwarded message ------- To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Sender: Path:auvm!paladin.american.edu!news-relay.us.dell.com!natinst.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!ruu.nl!news From: Menu user Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic Subject: Re: hammer thrrower cosmology Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 16:59:11 +0000 Organization: University Library Utrecht Lines: 30 Message-ID: <32BAC5DF.11FE@ubu.ruu.nl> References: <19961216082200.DAA03228@ladder01.news.aol.com> <32b98f80.27381244@news.teleport.com> <32B9A737.846@ubu.ruu.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.211.209.110 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Xref: paladin.american.edu bit.listserv.geodesic:6328 -the hammer released at 45 degree virtically and 90 degree horizantally; i made a mistke. -some ideas of ancient cosmology expressed in Aristotle laws of motions * , and in his 4 elements which indication of familiarity of philosphers with material craftsmen. the building elements areing the nuetrons, protons, and electrons ,ect. if Fuller is correct and the electron ising icosaveraxia conceptualy then light fotons is obsorbed by the icosa which brings it into high orbit-unstable- when it returns it releases the photon. all of these obsrobtion and raditation goes through the Victor equilibruim. 6 edges of the photon is taken and relased. there are 6 edges extra when ve contracts to the icosa phase. this 6 have to do something with radiation and absorbtion. there areing 6.0x10^23 atoms in one mole, so it is quite immense number of electrons with their icosa form obsorbing -for carbon one mole equals 12 grames- tagdi * 2 kinds of motion:natural and violent; violent require force to keep it going, and also if an object ising going in the opposit direction form its natural tendency-fire goes skyword, water earthward. ------- End of forwarded message ------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 07:42:24 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: No pi? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Hi. > >I have a question, regarding something I heard on another list. It was >mentioned that Bucky Fuller was able to develop a nice system of mathematics >that didn't involve the use of pi, that pain-in-the-ass number that everyone >has to love and memorize to the 50th digit so as to impress their friends. >Anyone know anything about this? Something preferably not TOO technical, >since mathematics aren't my strong suit, generally. > Fuller thought nature wasn't using pi, that high speed operations generating bubbles in the wake of a ship don't need it etc. and so sought a 'pi-less' mode of mathematical definition and expression. But I don't think that means not using the 'pi' key on your calculator. The more obvious point is that the electronic calculator's pi isn't the non-terminating transcendental number either: it terminates. Digital processing proceeds minus any need for numbers with infinite digits. 'Pi' is more a symbol for an algorithm, like a 'start' button that starts generating digits. You can let it run as long as you like. But nature needs to resolve spherical phenomena at high speed and is likely not involved in any protracted exercise involving any such 'pi generating' process. Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 19:42:47 +0300 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "AOZT \"Ecmos\"" Subject: International forum INTERNATIONAL FORUM Science Academy of Earth Earth sciences, technology and education 19 - 23 May 1997, Moscow, Russia INFORMATION NOTICE Dear Sir, This is to inform you that in view of the 850th anniversary of the Russian capital, Moscow, an International Forum on the problems of science, technique and education will be held. The first stage of the Forum is to take place on May 19-23, 1997 ( see the enclosure). The dates for the second stage have been set as December 1997. 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In-Reply-To: <32bce4b8.189510753@news.teleport.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 22 Dec 1996, Kirby Urner wrote: > Fuller thought nature wasn't using pi, that high speed operations > generating bubbles in the wake of a ship don't need it etc. and > so sought a 'pi-less' mode of mathematical definition and expression. > But I don't think that means not using the 'pi' key on your calculator. > The more obvious point is that the electronic calculator's pi isn't > the non-terminating transcendental number either: it terminates. > Digital processing proceeds minus any need for numbers with infinite > digits. 'Pi' is more a symbol for an algorithm, like a 'start' > button that starts generating digits. You can let it run as long > as you like. But nature needs to resolve spherical phenomena at > high speed and is likely not involved in any protracted exercise > involving any such 'pi generating' process. As I understand it Fuller showed that the ratio of the surface of its sphere to its volumn can be expressed without the use of any irrational numbers such as pi. The reason for this is the fact that we live in a three dimensional universe so all object here must be three dimensional. Thereby, sphere do exist but flat circles don't. We need irrational numbers such as pi in order to do math on imaginary objects such as flat circles. Real objects such as sphere can be expressed purely in terms of real numbers. Brian Petroski Just your stereotypical polysexual, bisexual solitary pagan from St. Paul, Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 17:12:47 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Menu user Organization: University Library Utrecht Subject: Re: No pi? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit some ideas about the pi question: for Fuller there is no spher in nature; the spher as solid surface is inaccurate scientifically- for the surface is composed of billions of atoms. Fuller found that nature uses tringles to stabilize her structure, since tringles are finite, there is no need for infinity and there for no need for pi; this last point i must examine myself for careful understanding. i ask myself why nature is matemathical, think of it! tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 13:14:49 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: syn-l: Re: Solstice memo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ---------- > From: Kirby Urner > To: Rich Bauer > Cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: syn-l: Re: Solstice memo > Date: Saturday, December 21, 1996 11:13 PM > > At 01:30 AM 12/22/96 -0500, Rich Bauer wrote: > >Kirby - > > > >Is the bfi web page just going to be abandoned until a new webmaster > >materializes? Is anyone actively recruiting a replacement? What are the > >long term plans for this site ? You speak of "betokening the end of the > >old and the beginning the new." The new what ? What is beginning ? It > >sounds like the beginning of the end to me. > > > >Rich > > > > Rich -- > > I sent the following memo to BFI on November 25th. Didn't > hear anything back though so I never posted the proposed > announcement. BFI may have other ideas about what might > be the best recruitment process. Anyway, seems to me > the BFI webmaster opening should generate some interest. > > Except for the Events page, most of the information at the > site remains relevant even if static (the WNET site similar > in this regard). I see a lot of room for expansion and growth > (e.g. that mostly empty outline page). But another webmaster > might redesign the site completely, so I really don't know. > > Bonnie says the plan at one point was to donate a lot of the > WNET site to BFI, once WNET was done with it. So some future > webmaster will maybe have the challenge of converging the > material from both sites. The WNET site is getting front page > treatment in some Yahoo thing in January. I lost my inbox > announcement from Ann about that. Bonnie, maybe you'd like > to share that WNET announcement with Syn-L? > > Kirby > > -------------------------- > > MEMO > > FR: Kirby Urner, webmaster > TO: John Ferry, ops > RE: proposed announcement > > John -- > > I'm thinking something along the lines of the below > would help stir up interest in the online community. > > Also, it's customary to publicly announce openings > in the public sector, although here we're looking > for a volunteer sponsor (provider of free services). > > Any feedback from your end? > > Kirby > > PS: I'm proceeding on the assumption you decided to > pay Internic to keep bfi.org registered. > > ------------------------ > > Announcement: > Volunteer BFI Webmaster Position > Accepting applicants > > The Buckminster Fuller Institute is looking for a > new volunteer webmaster for it's site (www.bfi.org). > > If you have any interest in accepting this unpaid > position, starting Dec. 21st latest, please email > your name, along with URLs to any sample web pages > you've created, to John Ferry, Operations, BFI, > bfi@aol.com. Background and experience with the > work of R. Buckminster Fuller would be most helpful. > > The server is in Philadelphia and the site can be > maintained remotely via FTP upon arrangement. The > minimum workload need not be great (as low as a couple > hours a month) but the opportunity is to express > your vision. The BFI webmaster job is what you > choose to make of it, in coordination with the rest > of our BFI team. > > -------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------- > Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ > > .- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 20:11:00 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: NINE CHAINS QUOTE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "In connection with the phantom captain's illusion that the mechanisms of his survival are an intrinsic part of his abstract self, it is to be noted that every physical extension has been a matter of survival adequacy in the phantom captain's command of specific animal and vegetable species." "It might almost be said that a new 'type' of human animal has developed in the United States and that this type is by way of being an advance demonstration of a world-wide type, inasmuch as the evidences are all in terms of scientific world trends." "When a sufficient number of members of a species has become characterized by relatively identical extensions, these extensions may properly be called part and parcel of the 'being'-entity of that species." _Nine Chains to the Moon_ by R. Buckminster Fuller, page 27. **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 21:20:39 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: SYNERGETICS DICTIONARY QUOTE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Now a sphere is defined by the Greeks as a surface equidistant in all directions from a point." "No man has ever witnessed an impervious surface so we can't say that any more." "The definition by the Greeks of a surface equidistant in all directions means it could have no holes in it because then the radius would change." "This would be the first definition of anti-entropy that you would successfully subdivide an inwardness from and outwardness -- subdivide the Universe in two parts and have no traffic between them." "But my definition of a sphere -- really like a Hilbert point system -- is a plurality of events approximately equidistant in one direction [sic] from one event." "This is a very satisfactory one." "It accommodates a very high frequency of events, but it does change mathematics completely." "You will find it affects us." R.Buckminster Fuller _Synergetics Dictionary, Vol 3_ by E.J.Applewhite, page 693, card 1. **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 21:30:12 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: SYNERGETICS QUOTE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "If we get too semantically incisive, the reader may lose all connection with anything he has ever thought before." "That might not be a great loss." "But we assume that the reader can cope with his reflexes and make connections between the old words and new concepts with the new and more apt words." "For example, since physics has found no continuums, we have had to clear up what we mean by a sphere." "It is not a surface; it has an aggregate of events in close proximity." "It isn't just full of holes: it doesn't have any continuum in which to have holes." R. Buckminster Fuller _Synergetics_I, section 1023.11 **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 23:02:57 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: DOME AVIARYS Comments: To: DOMES _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The dome in the photo below was constructed with less than $70.00 worth of hardware." "I am offering copies of these plans for $29.95. For an additional $10.00, I would be happy to re-dimension the cut lengths to create a dome with either a smaller or larger diameter." East-Wood Products P.O. Box 2190 Edgewood, New Mexico 87015-2190 harpmakr@rt66.com http://www.rt66.com/~harpmakr/dome.htm **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 17:25:54 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. Subject: Re: No pi? Comments: To: A'yin Da'ath A'yin Da'ath ,Internet writes: > It was mentioned that Bucky Fuller was able to develop > a nice system of mathematics that didn't involve the > use of pi Very simply, Bucky found a way to envision and work with solid geometry that involves only the use of whole numbers. He eventually became convinced that nature only works in whole numbers. His whole-number geometry is based on the vectors (directional forces) that, in their simplest configuration, describe tetrahedra. I'm sure others on this list will give you a more complete, detailed (and technically corect) answer. jmr ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 18:09:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: danu@MONITOR.NET Subject: joe's NEW WEB PAGES Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just reviewed your new pages joe; lookin' good! all those jpegs are a nice Xmas present. a few suggestions: 'The Least Common Denomenator" should be 'Denominator" the 'Vectors6 has SYSTEM underlined. underlining in webspace usually means it is a hyperlink, which in this case it doesn't appear to be. i counted over 30 duplicates of pictures. some were pretty high memory hogs, from 1/3 to 4/5 meg each. this takes up to 10 meg of memory in our disk cache for unnecessary duplication (as well as in your web site). it also slows down the opening of your pages online. instead you might want to list names and descriptions of the pics (perhaps with an icon miniview) in various pages as links to a page containing the full size pict. you might also want to (at least in some cases) give attributions for the picts. i wondered if some or all of the picts were made by bucky, or collected by him, or made by you. it's a great collection joe, many of them i've never seen before. thanks for all your work collecting and showing them on the web. --danu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 20:05:42 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: joe's NEW WEB PAGES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Danu, Thank you _very_ much for the feedback! I really appreciate it. I've already started splitting some pic pages into one or even two sub-pages. I've also started to do some editing and rearranging. I'll add the spelling error and the underlined "system" to my "to do" list. When I get a chance, I plan to try to reduce the size of some of the pics--if I can learn to use my paint program. I'm still debating with myself as to whether I should combine "Basic Bucky" and "Selected Ideas" in order to eliminate some duplication. But first, I want to finish putting up the Glossary and at least the Books and Articles for 1996 thru 1990. I also want to add some explanatory text to some pics (as you noted) if I can figure out how to attach text to a pic--I know there's a way. Most of the pics I did myself; as you can see, I'm no artist. Some pics were scanned from slides I took; some from public domain sources. All the ideas are Bucky's. Some of the illustrations have never been widely published before. Eventually I hope to have everything cross-linked both internally and externally. I can't believe I actually have my own web site! I'm still pinching myself to make sure it's not a dream. (Actually, it's not as hard as I thought it would be.) Sincerely, Joe **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ---------- From: danu@MONITOR.NET To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: joe's NEW WEB PAGES Date: Wednesday, December 25, 1996 6:09 PM just reviewed your new pages joe; lookin' good! all those jpegs are a nice Xmas present. a few suggestions: (snip, snip) --danu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 20:58:43 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: BF VIRTUAL INSTITUTE Comments: To: SYNERGETICS _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everybody, The "Links", "Books by Bucky", and "Articles by Bucky" sections are now functioning. Feedback welcome. Joe **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 10:26:03 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Dunaj Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Subject: hub connections Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aside from the Starplates - good for a one frequency icosahedron - what other systems are there for hubs that can be DIY ? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:15:28 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: syn-l: BF VIRTUAL INSTITUTE Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Bo, Thanks! I'm trying to collect links to all kinds of examples in the natural world of nature's geometry (tet 3-ness, oct 4-ness, icosa 5-ness, multiples thereof, spirals based on the tet, oct, & icosa, etc, etc) such as can be seen in my web pages. I'm trying to amass evidence that Fuller did, in fact, discover the geometry that nature is using to build everything we see around us. Joe **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ---------- > From: Bo Atkinson > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: syn-l: BF VIRTUAL INSTITUTE > Date: Saturday, December 28, 1996 1:45 PM (snip) > Yes Joe!, I liked your site connections to nature. (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:41:58 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: Solstice Greeting from longtime Buckylurker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ---------- > From: Rick Merlin Levine > To: Joe Moore > Subject: Solstice Greeting from longtime Buckylurker > Date: Thursday, December 26, 1996 10:26 PM > > > %%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%% > %% %% ^---- ^------- ^--- %% %% > %% 1 9 9 6 %% Happy Holydaze From %% 2 0 0 0 %% > %% %% RickMerlin Levine %% %% > %% %% %% +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ %% %% %% > %% %% %% | http://www.halcyon.com/rlevine/xmas97/ | %% %% %% > %% %% %% +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ %% %% %% > %% %% %% %% for your millennial reading pleasure... %% %% %% %% > %%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%% %% > > .- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:59:00 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: RBF CARBONDALE DOME FOR SALE Comments: cc: DOMES _LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Message forwarded per t/c from e-mail-less person) "R.Buckminster Fuller's former Carbondale residence dome for sale. 407 South Forest Street. Asking $150,000. For more information contact the owner: Michael Mitchell 13800 Tahiti Way, Boat Box #37 Marina Del Rey, CA 90292 310-306-1913 " **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 08:56:01 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. Subject: Re: hub connections John Dunaj writes: > Aside from the Starplates - good for a one frequency > icosahedron - what other systems are there for hubs > that can be DIY ? Hubs and starplates can also be used for two-frequency icosahedral geodesics... or, for that matter, any frequency, but I don't know if they are being manufactured and marketed by anyone. I built a 30-foot (diameter) 2-frequency geodesic sphere without using any sort of connectors. The sphere was constructed of EMT, metal electrical conduit. I measured and cut the strut lengths (only two different lengths were required), flattened the ends and drilled 1/4" holes in their ends, then fastened them together with steel bolts. EMT isn't a structural material; it holds its own weight quite well, but would not support climbing. But I think you could do the same with a stronger material. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 10:32:32 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Merlin Levine Subject: Happy Holydaze to all Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Fellow Buckyfolks, My updated Fuller Links: %% %% +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ %% %%%%% %% %% | http://www.halcyon.com/rlevine/bookmarks/ | %% %%% %% %% +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ %% %% %% %% %% for your millennial reading pleasure... %% %% %% %%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%%$%%~%% % and a Solstice/NewYear Greeting... %% %% %% +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ %% %% %% %% %% %% | http://www.halcyon.com/rlevine/xmas97/ | %% %% %% %% %% %% +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ %% %% %% ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:15:32 -0800 Reply-To: oregon@ordata.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Oregon Dome Organization: Oregon Dome, Inc. Subject: Re: hub connections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't want to beat my own drum too much to this group, but don't write off panelizing as a DIY project. Your kit cost is liable to be a bit higher, but you'll make that up in materials and time. We've had a great number of builders take our panels and do the whole project themselves. There are plenty of panelizers out there who are happy to help the DIY folks get thier dream homes. John Dunaj wrote: > > Aside from the Starplates - good for a one frequency icosahedron - what > other systems are there for hubs that can be DIY ? -- Thanks, Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. E-mail: oregon@domes.com Web: http://www.domes.com Address: 3215 Meadow Lane, Eugene OR 97402 Fax: (541) 689-9275 Phone: (800) 572-8943 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 16:56:20 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ro Conroy Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: New Dome Web page All, For anyone interested in dome design and construction see my WEB page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy Bob ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:56:28 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Jonathan B. Thompson" Organization: Cool Bear Computing Subject: Re: hub connections Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BBF65E.BD0C9DE0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BBF65E.BD0C9DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't done it myself yet (I live in an apartment, it'd have to fit inside) but what you could use is the rolls of steel sold for ductwork. All you would need to cut it are tinsnips, and you could cut it out to the right lengths. If you prefer, you could use the aluminum rolls. For fastening it together, you could simply bolt it together. I suspect that you would want to smooth out the edges to keep from cutting yourself. If you cut the steel roll just right and had all of the angles setup in the hub, you wouldn't even have to worry about cutting the struts at the weird angles to mate properly. The added possible bonus would be that these type of hubs would allow a little flexing, just in case things aren't perfect. If you can cut the angles accurately enough, you could fashion wood vertexes with 5 or 6 pieces of wood. Good accurate measuring and cutting would allow this with a circular saw, for those of us not rich enough to have a table saw. I myself intend on making some geodesic furniture utilizing a circular saw and a drill, and some interesting home-crafted jigs to speed things up. Another option you could try is to find a ball or sphere to work with. If you are making models that don't require an awful lot of strength, styrofoam balls can be had in various sizes. Yet another option would be to have flexible rope joints. Just have a big knot in the middle, or use a small chunk of dowel and tie the ends of the struts to the dowel rod. This would make it fairly easy to assemble and disassemble over and over again, if needed. This would only require a saw and a drill for tools, and no strange angle cutting or miter box required. J. Michael Rowland wrote in article <0001CF8A.fc@management21.com>... > John Dunaj writes: > > Aside from the Starplates - good for a one frequency > > icosahedron - what other systems are there for hubs > > that can be DIY ? > > Hubs and starplates can also be used for two-frequency icosahedral geodesics... > or, for that matter, any frequency, but I don't know if they are being > manufactured and marketed by anyone. > > I built a 30-foot (diameter) 2-frequency geodesic sphere without using any sort > of connectors. The sphere was constructed of EMT, metal electrical conduit. I > measured and cut the strut lengths (only two different lengths were required), > flattened the ends and drilled 1/4" holes in their ends, then fastened them > together with steel bolts. EMT isn't a structural material; it holds its own > weight quite well, but would not support climbing. But I think you could do the > same with a stronger material. > ------=_NextPart_000_01BBF65E.BD0C9DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I haven't done it myself yet (I live = in an apartment, it'd have to fit inside) but what you could use is the = rolls of steel sold for ductwork.  All you would need to cut it are = tinsnips, and you could cut it out to the right lengths.  If you = prefer, you could use the aluminum rolls.  For fastening it = together, you could simply bolt it together.  I suspect that you = would want to smooth out the edges to keep from cutting = yourself.

If you cut the steel roll just right and had all of the = angles setup in the hub, you wouldn't even have to worry about cutting = the struts at the weird angles to mate properly.  The added = possible bonus would be that these type of hubs would allow a little = flexing, just in case things aren't perfect.

If you can cut the = angles accurately enough, you could fashion wood vertexes with 5 or 6 = pieces of wood.  Good accurate measuring and cutting would allow = this with a circular saw, for those of us not rich enough to have a = table saw.  I myself intend on making some geodesic furniture = utilizing a circular saw and a drill, and some interesting home-crafted = jigs to speed things up.

Another option you could try is to find = a ball or sphere to work with.  If you are making models that don't = require an awful lot of strength, styrofoam balls can be had in various = sizes.

Yet another option would be to have flexible rope joints. =  Just have a big knot in the middle, or use a small chunk of dowel = and tie the ends of the struts to the dowel rod.  This would make = it fairly easy to assemble and disassemble over and over again, if = needed.  This would only require a saw and a drill for tools, and = no strange angle cutting or miter box required.



J. = Michael Rowland <jmr@MANAGEMENT21.COM> wrote in article <0001CF8A.fc@management21.com>...
> John Dunaj <ANTONERG@WORLDNET.ATT.NET> writes:
> > Aside from the Starplates - = good for a one frequency
> > icosahedron - what other systems = are there for hubs
> > that can be DIY ?
>
> Hubs = and starplates can also be used for two-frequency icosahedral = geodesics...
> or, for that matter, any frequency, but I don't = know if they are being
> manufactured and marketed by = anyone.
>
> I built a 30-foot (diameter) 2-frequency = geodesic sphere without using any sort
> of connectors. The sphere = was constructed of EMT, metal electrical conduit. I
> measured and = cut the strut lengths (only two different lengths were = required),
> flattened the ends and drilled 1/4" holes in = their ends, then fastened them
> together with steel bolts. EMT = isn't a structural material; it holds its own
> weight quite well, = but would not support climbing. But I think you could do the
> = same with a stronger material.
>

------=_NextPart_000_01BBF65E.BD0C9DE0-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 16:11:02 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Bono Subject: Applied Synergetics Web Site Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all and happy New Year! Finally had a chance to update the web site. Many new additions, updated links and embedded VRML and such. Hope you all like it! http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/ Rick Bono ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 16:13:04 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. Subject: Re: hub connections To Jonathan's string of suggestions, I'd like to add a scheme that was suggested to me years ago by a friend named Michael Smith, a musician and student of Mathematics at Murray State University, and incidentally, the first person to explain geodesic math to me. He suggested using extruded aluminum held together with pop-rivets. To further sweeten the scheme, he suggested that, given time and effort, all the extruded aluminum one would need could be foraged from discarded aluminum storm doors and windows. The extrusions add strength and rigidity, and would be more than adequate for a high-enough-frequency geodesic structure. If you want to pay for them, though, you could buy the right shape extrusions to hold glass or plexiglas panels, cut to fit. If I live long enough, and am eventually accumulate money, I plan to build such a greenhouse structure so I can sleep under the stars and count meteors instead of sheep.