From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 12 19:36:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from acsu.buffalo.edu (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.57]) by linux00.LinuxForce.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with SMTP id g8CNaPL2012741 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:36:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200209122336.g8CNaPL2012741@linux00.LinuxForce.net> Received: (qmail 14105 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 23:28:55 -0000 Received: from listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 23:28:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:28:55 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Buffalo (1.8d)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9701" To: Chris Fearnley Content-Length: 132981 Lines: 3235 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:00:05 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: *SEMI-MONTHLY POSTING* - GEODESIC 'how-to' info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the semi-monthly "How To" file about the GEODESIC list. 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Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 10:07:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: danu@MONITOR.NET Subject: WHERE CORNERS BEGIN, Haiku 17 to Gerald DeJong Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's No Point WHERE EDGES END THEIR EXISTENCE IS FUTILE THERE -WHERE CORNERS BEGIN. --To EIG-Struck Springs everywhere New Year's Day Haiku by danu (17), 01-01-97 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 14:37:39 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Paul R. Kosuth" Subject: Re: RBF CARBONDALE DOME FOR SALE In-Reply-To: <9612291300.aa15080@inside.cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear all: This past summer a small group of us, lead by Bill Perk, looked into aquiring Fullers Carbondale home. At that time, the asking price was $105,000 which he then lowered to an even $100,000. I believe that the house is appraised in the 40's, np more than 50 grand. I think that an asking price of $150,000 is an outrage. We chose not to pursue fundraising at the asking price of $100,000 . The opinions expresses are my own. Paul Kosuth prkosuth@prairienet.org On Sun, 29 Dec 1996, Joe S. Moore wrote: > (Message forwarded per t/c from e-mail-less person) > > "R.Buckminster Fuller's former Carbondale residence dome for sale. 407 > South Forest Street. Asking $150,000. For more information contact the > owner: > > Michael Mitchell > 13800 Tahiti Way, Boat Box #37 > Marina Del Rey, CA 90292 > > 310-306-1913 " > > **************************************** > * Joe S. Moore > * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar > * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute > * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > **************************************** > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:48:19 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: MY EMAIL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am unable to read my email until my provider fixes my "corrupted" folder. Hope they don't lose any posts. Will post a notice when it is fixed. JSM **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 13:21:52 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: dosemagt@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU Subject: Re: hub connections Natural Spaces located in North Branch Minnesota sells their connector system with the plans for whatever size dome that you want to build. You can call them at 800- 733-7107 or fax them at 612-674-8561. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:04:56 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Big Sur Tapes Organization: Big Sur Tapes Subject: Big Sur Tapes Link Comments: To: geodesic@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe Moore sent us a message saying he forwarded our letter to him (see below) about wanting to link our site to his because he doesn't have a web site page of his own and suggests we link to you. Please send your URL address so we can visit your site. Please take a look at our web site http://www.bigsurtapes.com and let us know if you will link to us. Many thanks, Linda "Hello from Big Sur Tapes, We will be linking to your site, and would like you to consider linking your site to ours, so that we can directly reach people who have a particular interest in our speakers and their subject matter. Please visit our site to see what we have to offer. Big Sur Tapes was founded in 1989 to preserve and publish the audio archive of over 8,000 hours recorded by Paul Herbert, primarily at Esalen Institute, from the early 1960's to the present. Our efforts have expanded to include other audio archives which may be either at physical risk or known about by only a few. We are now the caretakers for many archives big and small, including those of the San Francisco Jung Institute and Aldous Huxley. If you would prefer to have a button to access our web site, please let us know, and we'll provide one. Linking to those who might find our materials useful is very important to us, so we would appreciate hearing from you regarding this, and with any other suggestions you may have. Looking forward to hearing from you, Janica Fox Anderson Curator and Publisher Our web site address is: www.bigsurtapes.com Our E-mail address is: linking@bigsurtapes.com Our phone number is: (800) 688-5512 Our fax number is: (415) 289-5285 Our print address is: Big Sur Tapes, P. O. Box 4, Tiburon, CA 94920" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 15:21:59 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Menu user Organization: University Library Utrecht Subject: Re: RBF CARBONDALE DOME FOR SALE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a place where Fuller lived is fortune for anyone who can buy it. it is the only thinker i would say that for, and no one else. to me other thinkers are good but nothing compare to Fuller. ------------------------------------------------------------ common between Leonardo Devinci and Fuller: they took man as the center of their invistigation and learning. then the checked principles in nature that may benifit this creature, who still lives in the stone age, and persisting to do so. it is realy precariouse postion, i wonder if he can make it. On CNN program over the Future, there was a prediction for a Renisance and also education the way Fuller predicted- home and anywhere learning from great thinkers. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 16:52:23 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tccs@SPRINTMAIL.COM Organization: The Copy Cat Shop Subject: CD-R Media for Sale We have the following CD-R media for sale. 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Cordially, The Copy Cat Shop 213-650-1680 213-650-9110 Fax ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 15:32:04 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Menu user Organization: University Library Utrecht Subject: epistemology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit synergetics modeling of invisible reality is the midle way linking invisible and visible reality. i think modeling in general does just that. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 08:49:05 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: syn-l: Re: Webmaster MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ---------- > From: Kirby Urner > To: BFI@aol.com > Cc: Synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: syn-l: Re: Webmaster > Date: Tuesday, December 31, 1996 7:55 PM > > MEMORANDUM > New Year's Eve, 1996 > > TO: Hans Meyer, BFI President > FR: Kirby Urner, ex BFI webmaster > > Thanks Hans! > > I've enjoyed this opportunity to exercise my creativity and make > a contribution. We all know this is important and relevant work. > > I've tried to give some shape to the BFI webmaster position, as > you know, seeing as it was such a golden opportunity for me; > I'd like others to have this privilege to make an imprint. > > So I'm hopeful we'll experience continued turnover in this position, > even though it can sometimes seem easier to just stick with a known > quantity. > > Of course I'm not going anywhere and am ready and willing to lend > a hand as BFI continues along its trajectory into the future. > > Best wishes on completing your process. > > Kirby > 4D Solutions > > At 01:59 AM 12/31/96 -0500, you wrote: > >Dear Kirby, > > > >On behalf of the Board of Directors and the staff at Buckminster Fuller > >Institute, I would like to thank you for your enormous contribution to > >furthering the work of Buckminster Fuller at the BFI through your creation > >and maintenance of www.bfi.org. The presence of the web site is one of the > >most tangible demonstrations of both Bucky's vision and our ability to > >articulate and facilitate this vision now and tomorrow. It is our most > >sincere hope that you will continue to be an active part of the team. Your > >knowledge of this tool and understanding of its resources and potential is > >unparalled. > > > >We are pleased to let you know that we are in the process of making a final > >decision about the next Webmaster, which we hope will be in place early in > >1997. > > > >Again, we send our unbounded thanks for your tireless work on all our behalf. > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Hans Meyer > >President > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Kirby Urner "ALL realities are 'virtual'" -- KU > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ > > .- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 08:56:36 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: MY EMAIL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can read my email now. Will take a while to catch up. **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ---------- > From: Joe S. Moore > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: MY EMAIL > Date: Wednesday, January 01, 1997 5:48 PM > > I am unable to read my email until my provider fixes my "corrupted" > folder. Hope they don't lose any posts. Will post a notice when it is > fixed. JSM > **************************************** > * Joe S. Moore > * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar > * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute > * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > **************************************** > .- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 05:31:48 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961205150153.0069ee20@host.taconic.net> (message from David Iman Adler on Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:01:53 -0500) -Is there anything we can do about receiveing this kind of drek? - -At 12:43 AM 12/5/96 -0700, you wrote: ->Hi guys, -> -> ->Look at this ad I saw last week. I thought you might ->be interested. [...] It's really hard to pinpoint and eliminate spam. Unfortunately, the spammers are pretty creative, and find a new and different way of saying the same old thing each time they spam. As a result, it's hard to build filters for it. The listserv software that runs this list spots crossposts quite effectively, so there are some things that it catches before ever passing them on to everyone. However, things like the above are just kind of annoying at this point in the game. Until someone comes up with better anti-spam tools, keep your "d" key close at hand. -- Pat ___________________Think For Yourself____________________ Patrick G. Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- There is nothing harder in the world to understand than the income tax. --Albert Einstein ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 22:37:30 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Randall J. Burns" Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: Where can I get a small model dome kit? I want to get a 2-4 foot diameter model dome kit. Any suggestions where I can procure such a thing? Thanks! RJB ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:25:45 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: JustWINK Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Where can I get a small model dome kit? Randall, Perhaps you will find such a dome kit, they certainly exist. However, I would suggest that you make some models from scratch, and that you build both plate and lattice structures. If you want to spend some money on such things, buy a nice ZOMETOOL kit, which you can re-configure endlessly. Wink ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:53:10 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jan Allbright Subject: Re: Where can I get a small model dome kit? In-Reply-To: ; from "Randall J. Burns" at Jan 5, 97 10:37 pm > > I want to get a 2-4 foot diameter model dome kit. Any > suggestions where I can procure such a thing? > Thanks! > RJB > You might try cutting some pieces of bamboo skewers to cord size and assemble using "hubs" made of poly tubing with 5 / 6 holes holes ... exact measurements and procedure available on request ... -- /----------------------------------+------------------------------------\ | Mr. Jan C. Allbright | Hewlett-Packard Company | | Regional Sales Engineer | 1501 Page Mill Rd. MS 6U-O | | NetMetrix Operation | Palo Alto, CA 94304 | | jana@corp.hp.com | 415.857.4453 | \--------------------(Opinions Expressed Are My Own)--------------------/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:36:49 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. Subject: Re: Where can I get a small model dome kit? Comments: To: "Randall J. Burns" Randall J. Burns writes: > I want to get a 2-4 foot diameter model dome kit. Any > suggestions where I can procure such a thing? I bought a 20"-diameter model from Edmund Scientific, from which I extrapolated measurements for a 32-foot-diameter sphere. The kit cost about $20. To order a catalog, call 609-573-6250. The kit consisted of an indeterminate number of bamboo straws (plenty left over if you mis-measure or break some) and clear plastic tubing cut into 1/4" rings for connectors. You have to measure and cut the shorter struts, and pierce the connectors yourself. The "piercing tool" that was supposed to be included, wasn't (I used a thumbtack); and the "spreading tool" with which you stretch the holes wide enough to accept the bamboo sticks turned out to be a pointed stick. The one-page xeroxed instruction sheet gave no clue about how to pierce the connectors at the correct angles... but it's not hard to figure out. I drew pentagon and hexagon patterns on paper with a compass and eyeballed the angles from those. The plastic connectors are pretty forgiving. All in all, it was a pretty cheesy kit, and I would be embarrassed to charge that much for it (as I am in admitting I PAID that much for it) but it accomplished the objective, i.e., to get me over the conceptual visualization hurdle. I found that, after putting this one together, building the 32-foot sphere out of metal tubing was a breeze (I just expanded the lengths of the struts in the proportion of 7 to 8, i.e., the 6-inch struts became 10-footers). And it *did* make a pretty elegant-looking wooden model. (It's hanging on the wall in our living room now.) Edmund also sells other size geodesic models (I have one other, made of plastic sticks and rubber cup hubs), but I think that's the largest one. I looked in hobby stores, but the only geodesic model kits they had were high-priced educational toys... about $70 to open the box. After putting this one together, I think I can make one from scratch, just about any size I want. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:46:05 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. > Until someone comes up with better > anti-spam tools, keep your "d" key close at hand. I still insist that the only long-term effective tool against spammers is to remove the economic incentives. Let them and the whole business community know that you will not deal with spammers or anyone who pays someone else to spam for them... that it's an unacceptable business practice that brands the perpetrator as someone who holds the marketplace in contempt, who puts the customer's welfare last on the priority list. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:02:22 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Menu user Organization: University Library Utrecht Subject: World Game Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aviation and the Navy are the most extensive complex of complex system, that would be very important to underatand in relation to World Game. i speculate that the world logistic system need to be simulate in the near future if it has not already been doen. humans need to see the planet circulatig system to understand the invisible movments. programs in the media are fragmentary, even if a program is educational it alawys show a particular area with no relation to another. the most promenent charcter of Fuller writing is his linking of patterns to other significant patterns. just a guess, i would think an educational program that links logistic, design, Mn and history of adminstration would be highly educational about what humanity doings at this moment in time. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:23:59 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian K Petroski Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <0001D42B.fc@management21.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, J. Michael Rowland wrote: > I still insist that the only long-term effective tool against spammers is to > remove the economic incentives. Let them and the whole business community know > that you will not deal with spammers or anyone who pays someone else to spam for > them... that it's an unacceptable business practice that brands the perpetrator > as someone who holds the marketplace in contempt, who puts the customer's > welfare last on the priority list. I agree totally. I have tried many times to explain to these people that it is bad for business to piss off thousands of potential customers. Unfortunately this simply logic is far above the mentality of these people. I also mention that I simply would never do business with any company that advertises in this fashion. Brian Petroski St. Paul, Minnesota Just your stereotypical polysexual, bisexual, solitary pagan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:51:00 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Jonathan B. Thompson" Organization: Cool Bear Computing Subject: Re: Where can I get a small model dome kit? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BBFCA3.EAD1AFE0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BBFCA3.EAD1AFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is a ZOMETOOL kit? What, exactly, does it feature? JustWINK wrote in article <19970105232400.SAA07096@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > Randall, > Perhaps you will find such a dome kit, they certainly > exist. However, I would suggest that you make some > models from scratch, and that you build both plate and > lattice structures. > If you want to spend some money on such things, buy a > nice ZOMETOOL kit, which you can re-configure endlessly. > Wink > ------=_NextPart_000_01BBFCA3.EAD1AFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What is a ZOMETOOL kit? What, = exactly, does it feature?

JustWINK <justwink@aol.com> = wrote in article <19970105232400.SAA07096@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Randall,
> Perhaps you will = find such a dome kit, they certainly
> exist. However, I = would suggest that you make some
> models from scratch, and that = you build both plate and
> lattice structures.
> If you want = to spend some money on such things, buy a
> nice ZOMETOOL kit, = which you can re-configure endlessly.
> Wink
>

------=_NextPart_000_01BBFCA3.EAD1AFE0-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:23:23 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. Subject: Re: your mail Brian K Petroski writes: > Unfortunately this simply logic is far above the mentality of these > people. True, but eventually the bottom line speaks to them, else they could not have stayed in business long enough to be advertising :-) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 06:34:52 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: JustWINK Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Where can I get a small model dome kit? >What is a ZOMETOOL kit? What, exactly, does it feature? ZOMETOOL is a plastic hub & strut building system sold by BioCrystal, Inc. in Boulder, CO. It is derived from the remarkable 31-zone system pioneered by Steve Baer many years ago. Interest in this system was renewed a few years ago when researchers created crystals with true 5-fold symmetry, long believed to be an impossibility. ZOMETOOL is a very well made system consisting of ball hubs with 62 holes of 3 shapes and 9 different struts, all of very durable plastic (practically unbreakable). The struts are shape and color coded, making assembly somewhat self-guiding. The hub has the symmetry of an icosahedron, yet the system can build certain systems of 2,3,4 symmetry. The coming addition of a 4th type of strut will enable the construction of regular tetrahedrons and octahedrons as well. I believe their web sight is at zometool.com, and that their email is zometool@aol.com. Highly recommended! C.E.Peck WinkWorks ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:55:54 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Menu user Organization: University Library Utrecht Subject: Re: Where can I get a small model dome kit? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit to all the model fanatics: models: last week i saw an advertisment for softwar that builds all kinds of polyvertaxias; a computer magazine, i dont recall the name-just to let you know that somthing new exist. there is also somthing very interesting, but first i have to ge read about it first. may be in the next 3 months i tell you. who knows the next century might be the model century. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:31:47 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Organization: Management 21 Inc. Subject: Re: Where can I get a small model dome kit? tagdi writes to all the model fanatics... I add: I use a small shareware program on the Mac called MacMolecule. It's designed for chemistry, but works well for geodesic modeling, and it's very low-overhead in terms of RAM, disk space, CPU requirements, etc. It's available from many FTP sites, including AOL's libraries and the InfoMac archives. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:17:17 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Vinay Gupta Subject: Error in Fuller's chord factors for 4-frequency?! Comments: cc: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com, synergetics-l@lists.teleport.com I'm having some trouble building a model of the 4-frequency truncatable dome geometry described in Fuller's "Laminar Geodesic Dome" patent, as reprinted in "Inventions" (in the hardcover, p228->). Specifically, when I use the chord factors for the four-frequency dome, listed on p. 238, I find that the pents formed by the AAAAA struts are *too*flat*; this isn't a minor effect - in a very carefully constructed model some three feet across, the deviation is of the order of half an inch. I've spoken to a fellow who's built house-sized domes from this geometry and had the same problems in buildings. So.... does anybody know the correct value for the chord factor, or some other place where the error could be creeping in? vinay PS: chords as printed listed below AB 0.22019 <- the dodgy number BB 0.25958 BC 0.32942 BD 0.30907 CD 0.31287 DD 0.32492 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 20:57:45 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "J.P. Morere" Subject: Re: Where can I get a small model dome kit? > I want to get a 2-4 foot diameter model dome kit. Any > suggestions where I can procure such a thing? > Thanks! > RJB > If you want a 'kit', I could make one and send it to you, but you would have to pay for it!:-) I made a 5 foot 3 freq dome out of 1/4" dowels and vinyl tubing hubs. Cut the tubing into about 1.5" lengths, punch a hole in the middle and attatch 2 or 3 (for different hubs) with nut & bolt, or pop rivets (as I used). I used DOME 4.2 (now DOME 4.6) to generate the center to center strut lengths, then subtracted 3/4" for the hubs. If you would like, I could post my numbers, or mail them to you. It was a fun project - one which I will be duplicating on a larger scale. The next one will probably be 14.8 feet using full length 36 inch dowels for the maximum length. Ah, the toys we play with. What useful purpose will the big dome serve? Nothing in itself, but just a precursor to even bigger projects. By the way, what do you want your dome for? Fun, study, ???. J.P. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 07:47:57 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian K Petroski Subject: How do I unsubscribe? In-Reply-To: <32D3C38A.70EB@ubu.ruu.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My new internet service will now allow me to read this as a newsgroup, so how do I unsubscribe from the mailing list? Brian Petroski St. Paul, Minnesota Just your stereotypical polysexual, bisexual, solitary pagan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:59:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: syn-l: Cobras are coiling; Haiku-tet 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ---------- From: danu@monitor.net To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Subject: syn-l: Cobras are coiling; Haiku-tet 2 Date: Tuesday, December 31, 1996 11:29 PM Metaphysical Haiku-tet 2 Cobras are coiling sinuous spirals of sound winding through each here.. Ascending falcons in ever-widening gyres extend wing tipped gaze What mutant being waits in uterine waters waving to be borne? Plumed Serpent rising gills extending wide feathered antenae.. --d anu 12/96 1/97 .- ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:04:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: QOL/Phoenix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ---------- > From: John McLeod > To: m-e listserv > Cc: Curt@pauline.sdsc.edu > Subject: QOL/Phoenix > Date: Wednesday, January 01, 1997 5:23 PM > > THINKING ABOUT QOL > by John McLeod (leaning on Curtis Johnson) > > When participants at a MISSION EARTH session at the Summer > Computer Simulation Conference in Portland, Oregon last > July undertook to determine the practicality and usefulness > of including a QOL (Quality of Life) variable in environmentally > related models, they determined nothing - except "that's a good > question!" > > A good, AND important question! But before going further I > would like to redefine the subject for consideration to be not > just the quality of life for some target population, but rather the > possibility and desirability of including a variable in a model > that would be directly related to the "fuzzier" question "How'm I > doing?" as changes are made in the model in a search for improvement. > For now let's just call that variable "q" (for quality?). > > The "fuzzy" question begins to get "nasty" as one gives further > thought. For beginners, consider the probably divergent interests > of the different parties involved in most large simulations: There > is the customer, who is concerned with the results; the modeler and > the programmer, not necessarily the same person, concerned with the > validity of the model; and the financial sponsor, possibly an > otherwise disinterested granting agency. There may be others, and > it is unlikely that all will agree on what might constitute a > suitable "q". > > And there, as Curtis Johnson* points out, is where philosophy enters > and starts shoving the mathematics around. For instance, he points > out, recently attention has more properly, and more importantly, been > directed toward environmental and social costs. > > The following is excerpted from a letter received from Curtis Johnson. > ----------- > Back to q, why is it so elusive? > > Because it is subjective. We can list several factors almost > anyone would consider important, but then how do we put numbers on > them so a computer can understand how to make decisions? Here I > invoke that sage of the back hills, Mammy Yokum, for an example: > "Goodness is better than badness because it's nicer!" > > So we have several things to consider: > > What factors should be used to define QOL? > How should these factors be weighted? > How should they be combined in calculating QOL? > Is it possible to consider variations in QOL within the group? > > How to account for a variation in individual factors is beyond me. > > So what factors should be considered, i.e., assigned a value? > > Here are a few ideas: > > 1. One factor stands out above all others, and that is nutrition. > If people don't have enough to eat to be able to survive, they > have a very low QOL. If calories and protein are available but > not distributed equitably, QOL must still be at a low value. > > 2. Income. Average per capita income can be a measure of QOL, > but I would modify this factor with some measure of the percentage > of the population who live below the poverty level. Perhaps median > rather than average income is a better factor. > > 3. Health. What measures are best here? Life expectancy (used, > I believe, in one measure of QOL I read about)? Average sick days > per year? > > 4. Public safety. Perhaps more than one factor needs consideration > here. > a. Crime. How would you assign a QOL factor if the probability > that you would die in a violent crime within one year is almost 100%? > I would give it a value of zero, and the same for my overall QOL. > b. Minor crime and other irritations. > > 5. Amenities. How would you rate a well-developed technological > community that did everything "right" but had no library, symphony, > theater, athletic fields, open spaces, etc.? > > These are a few items that immediately come to mind. Each can yield > its own q. We can, and may, argue interminably over what the various > terms to consider should be, and how q values should be determined. > > But let me review some major points. > > 1. We have to have a reason for taking up time to discuss QOL. > I believe it is a useful concept because we need something to serve > as a factor to optimize. > > 2. If so, QOL (or q), is the linkage between a simulation model and an > optimization procedure. > > 3. Q should probably consist of a mathematical combination of various q > values determined from conditions under which a society lives. > ----- > R. Curtis Johnson is Professor Emeritus, Chemical Engineering > Department, University of Colorado, Boulder, CO 80302. He wrote the > letter from which I excerpted the foregoing comments in response to my > invitation to participate in a MISSION EARTH session at the Society > for Computer Simulation 1997 Western Multiconference to be held in the > Sheraton Crescent Hotel, January 12-15. Although he will not be able to > participate in our discussion Dr. Johnson has promised further thoughts > on the subject which I will present for consideration at the MISSION > EARTH session. > > Comments are invited via this MISSION EARTH Server. > (mission-earth@scs.org) both for discussion here, and at the Conference. > > Please let us have the benefit of your opinion. > > John McLeod > > .- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:30:48 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Fw: Bonnie's Poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit **************************************** * Joe S. Moore * Independent Buckminster Fuller Scholar * joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com * Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute * http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ **************************************** ---------- > From: Tony and Bonnie DeVarco > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: > Date: Friday, January 03, 1997 11:34 AM > > For you, anu, danu > > > There's a place > In the center > Of a convex cave > Deep in a center and > Much sharper than the lathe > > We are known for the center > of the concave lens > in the center of the many wheres, > the many many whens > > Polishing, > the agentry of two convex lens > in the moment of a > workshop as receptive > concave blends > > Telescope, sidereal magnifier > A starbound lens > Brought the mem'ry of the micro cell > Enlarged into the tens > > Spectacles, the center > Discovered looking at the sky > Appearing in small and large > Living spheres of the eye > > A telescope without a tube > Concave, convex > Idiosyncracy of viewers > Perfect sight, perplexed > > From the inside to the outside > Of a spherical lens > Could the buckyball find silicon > and take us whence > > Galileo, Kepler, Huygens > In the polarized sense > took evolution of the glasses > to the spherical lens > > Saw the movements of the heavens > Saw the rings of Saturn hence > and magnified potential uses > Of a spherical lens > > From 9 power to 20 power > To well beyond thense, > Saw astronomy behind their work > To a more ancient lens > > It was not before discovered > For well hidden in the cave > Was convex, its binding serpent > Which needed not the lathe > > It was the Maya, and the Arabs, > On which the telescope depends > The Egyptions and the seers > Who built precessional lens > > In the calendar of time beyond > The farthest reach of space > Was a great sideareal messenger > perhaps a sister to this place > > Using vectors and their motions > Four moons of Jupiter laid fresh > Using soundlights and fine crescents > Using instrumental flesh > > Sounding cryptic and iconic > Sounding loud but very faint > Using brushes to write symbols > While the meaning was the paint > > Using water, cutting stones > And creating written sound > Deeper lenses opened vistas > They were laid out in the round > > Our ancestral crystal voices > Listen close into your cells > Find the alphabet of numbers in > Your digits, in her shells > > Instrumental means of searching > Lead us right back to ourselves > Imagine familiar landmarks > That we hold upon our shelves > > To philosophers and scientists, > Children nursing at the breast > In the mothers and the innocents > All great minds have come to rest > > Carbon's tight expressive powder, > Write great gilded words of old > On the vellum of our mem'ry > In a lens of gems and gold > > Carbon's hardest ice reflector > Love's great symbol on our hand > Take us to the great infinity > In an ancient, future land > > Carbon's finest round container > Filled with pentacles and stars > Take us well beyond the future > In our cells and out to Mars > > In our water, out to Venus > In one single airborne spor > In an earthbound seed, a virus > In light darkness is no more > > Open triangles a messenger > union of the binary stars > Coming close but not together > As you see in Iceland Spars > > A human dual tetrahedron > living amplifier of sound > Once a tilted cube > Now polar shift > A fresh new orbit comes around > > > bonnie jeanne > > > > .- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:46:13 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. 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