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From:         Charles J Knight <c.knight@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: You asked for it...Chililng Machines

> this may just be pure hype,

I don't know if it's true or not...but that's the way it was explained
to me by several different companies.  If it's hype, it's very pervasive
hype.

> a back-of-the-envelope idea that was given more credance
> than it deserves (not that there are not precedents,
> as in traditional Arabic architecture (see _Ceramic Houses_
> by Nader Khalili)).

I have!  I do know, however, that the black tents of the Bedouins
work along similar principles...they set up air currents which help
reject heat from the outside.

What needs to happen is the construction of a model (would it
need to be full scale?  I know we can't "model" air...how would
reynold's numbers work for this application?) for testing purposes.

I read that the dome in (?) Kabul was reported to be *too* cold,
and this was without air conditioning.  A very appealing prospect
in North Texas...our summers get to 114F on a regular basis.

Assuming that the dome works as it was explained to me, it should
be trivial to adjust the air flow for "fine" control of the temperature
inside.

     -- Chuck Knight
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On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:42:08 -0700, you wrote:

>Try the DomeHome list.  I really like it, and i think you would enjoy it.
>Very little politics, some excellent technical discussion.
>
>Here's the info:
>
>s*ubscribe/uns*ubscribe to this list (under DOG LISTS) and s*ubscribe to
>DOME at http://www.hoflin.com
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Thanks guy.

The lady with the all caps keyboard was obviously lost.
Appreciate your willingness to be a good boy scout.

Kirby
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Yea the Afganistan dome came to mind
here too. The Russians were more interested
 in the dome then the gadgets inside the dome.
It was an emergency set up for an international
display if I remember my dome history right.
It sounds like it might function as an evaporation
cooler used in hot dry climates. The principle is
that you lower the air pressure so as remove what
water is in the air since the moisture holds a lot
more thermal energy than air you can reduce the
temperature of the air itself.  The coolers we used
in Tucson added water to the air then the lower air
 pressure removed a the heated water by evaporation.
Very effective on dry days, a lot less affected by wetter
days especially prior to a monsoon.

Darn and all this time I was hoping there was
a Rube Goldberg gizmo to ponder over.  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles J Knight <c.knight@JUNO.COM>
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Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: You asked for it...Chililng Machines


>> this may just be pure hype,
>
>I don't know if it's true or not...but that's the way it
was explained
>to me by several different companies.  If it's hype, it's
very pervasive
>hype.
>
>> a back-of-the-envelope idea that was given more credance
>> than it deserves (not that there are not precedents,
>> as in traditional Arabic architecture (see _Ceramic
Houses_
>> by Nader Khalili)).
>
>I have!  I do know, however, that the black tents of the
Bedouins
>work along similar principles...they set up air currents
which help
>reject heat from the outside.
>
>What needs to happen is the construction of a model (would
it
>need to be full scale?  I know we can't "model" air...how
would
>reynold's numbers work for this application?) for testing
purposes.
>
>I read that the dome in (?) Kabul was reported to be *too*
cold,
>and this was without air conditioning.  A very appealing
prospect
>in North Texas...our summers get to 114F on a regular
basis.
>
>Assuming that the dome works as it was explained to me, it
should
>be trivial to adjust the air flow for "fine" control of the
temperature
>inside.
>
>     -- Chuck Knight
>
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Date:         Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:58:56 -0700
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RTG's were and have been flown  for decades
on deep space probes one problem with RTG's is
that they leak. Not to any dangerous degree but
has sensors become more an more sensitive
the background radiation can disrupt readings.
The Viking  space craft had their RTG's mounted on
long booms to extend them from the main body of
the craft. It works but the long booms affect attitude
stability when your moving the camera equiptment
in relation to the craft. Even spinning up the tape
recorder can create instability in a space probe.

Galileo screamed for RTG's given it's distance from
the sun and it's power eating long range sensors.
The Galileo is a flying scientific work horse it's going
to return tens of thousands of times more data points than
the
Mars rover did even on a good day. (Martian day that is.)

When then Apollo 13 astronauts ejected the Lunar Excursion
Module that they used for their life boat they dumped it
into
the ocean with it's  RTG. The ocean sediments have kept the
RTG from
corruding and by the way have slowed down any signature
to the point that ocean burial of radioactive waste is now
back
on the drawing boards.

Recheck your data points Brian the data return on the
"cheaper"
flights far exceeds what data return used to be gotten
back by heavier  more expensive space craft.

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Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: NASA more like Bucky


><<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings
31-MAR-1999 21:27
>                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
> well, normally, we don't deal with dumb-ass space-cadets,
but
> you should get a copy of our journal,
> *21st Century Science and Technology*, ne *Fusion*,
> til the Bushwhackers shut it down (and
> they are also known as Royal Luddites).
>    on the wayside,
> what NASA is upt to, not particularly due to
headbeancounter-
> fromTRW, Goldin, is what I call, Cheap, Cheaper, Cheapest!
> the non-use of a radiothermalgenerator on Pathfinder was
an example,
> as it could have run til it dropped, although
> this was largely because of the EPA and the people,
> namely environmentalists, who have been stricken by Henry
Stimson
> and the doctors Strangelovin' (just saw them freak
> over Galileo !-)
>
> thus quoth:
>  Mr. Roach, he especially doesn't seem to understand
>  the impact of technological evolution, which by the way
>  is the only real Natural Selection going on.
>
> --The Duke of Oil!
> http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm
>
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Patricia Williams wrote:
>
>  LEGACY, SMEGACY!  I DON'T GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT "FULLER'S
>  LEGACY"; FURTHERMORE, I DON'T WANT TO LEARN ABOUT IT,
>  MUCH LESS DISCUSS IT.

Too bad... You might learn something.

>  MY INTERESTS LIE ELSEWHERE, BUT I DO LOVE DOME HOMES.

But not enough to learn what they're part of, obviously.

>  I AM AN OLD WOMAN THAT HAS BACKED UP MORE MILES THAN LOTSA FOLKS HAVE GONE FORWARD.

Is this supposed to be an excuse for YELLING AT EVERYBODY??

>  I ONLY WANDERED INTO THIS NECK OF THE WOODS

So wander back out and STOP YELLIN' AT US LIKE IT'S OUR FAULT!

>  BECAUSE OF MY IMPENDING DOME RAISING.  I SIMPLY WANT TO
>  RETIRE TO MY HEAVENLY DEEP-IN-THE-WOODS DOME, RAISE MY
>  HERBS, SMELL MY ROSES, MILK MY GOATS, AND LEAVE THE
>  RABBLE-ROUSING TO THE TESTOSTERONE-IMPAIRED.

Ah, yes... progesterone-enhanced, PMS fueled misandry is so much
better...

>  I DIDN'T SIGN UP TO FULLERSLEGACY@LISTSERV.ACS,
>  I SIGNED UP TO GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACS...

The term "geodesic" simply means 'most economical path'.  As Kirby said,
domes are secondary.

>  HAD I KNOWN THAT DOMES AND POLITICS WERE BEDFELLOWS, I WOULDA' STAYED AWAY.

How COULD you know?  As you said earlier, you DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS,
and you DON'T WANT TO LEARN ABOUT IT?                moron...
>
>  IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD KINDLY POINT ME IN THE
>  DIRECTION OF THE "DOME-RELATED LISTS" SITES?
>  A PLACE WHERE THEY KNOWLEDGEABLY DISCUSS THE ASPECTS OF DOME HOMES.


To subscribe, KINDLY send email to: requests@h19.hoflin.com
with this message:  subscribe DomeHome-H

>  IF SO, I WILL TAKE MY "EMBARRASSMENT TO THE LIST" SELF AWAY FROM HERE,

Good.  Thank you.

>  BE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL,

Yeah, right...

>  AND THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
>  PATRICIA

You're welcome.  Go away
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This is a childish response to an innocent person looking for information
and someone who is just trying to be helpful.  I have at least gleaned from
your discussion that Fuller was not such an elitest as you portend to be.  I
too am "lost" as you put it, and will "educate myself" elsewhere, but It is
obvious to me that I needn't come back to the list and share it with you
because you appear to have too much already.  I was unware of, and frankly
uninterested at this time in Fuller's philosophical "legacy" and more
interested in his technological contributions.  When I spot a list named
"geodesic" my first impression is likely to be domes, and not philosophy.

Neal Bastek


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Thanks guy.

The lady with the all caps keyboard was obviously lost.
Appreciate your willingness to be a good boy scout.

Kirby
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Technology isn't just for us
dumb ass space cadets, Brian.
Technology as been around since
the first human picked up a stick
and used it to beat the snot out of LaRouches
and their zoombie followers, ancestors.


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Subject: Re: NASA more like Bucky


><<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings
31-MAR-1999 21:27
>                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
> well, normally, we don't deal with dumb-ass space-cadets,
but
> you should get a copy of our journal,
> *21st Century Science and Technology*, ne *Fusion*,
> til the Bushwhackers shut it down (and
> they are also known as Royal Luddites).
>    on the wayside,
> what NASA is upt to, not particularly due to
headbeancounter-
> fromTRW, Goldin, is what I call, Cheap, Cheaper, Cheapest!
> the non-use of a radiothermalgenerator on Pathfinder was
an example,
> as it could have run til it dropped, although
> this was largely because of the EPA and the people,
> namely environmentalists, who have been stricken by Henry
Stimson
> and the doctors Strangelovin' (just saw them freak
> over Galileo !-)
>
> thus quoth:
>  Mr. Roach, he especially doesn't seem to understand
>  the impact of technological evolution, which by the way
>  is the only real Natural Selection going on.
>
> --The Duke of Oil!
> http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm
>
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On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:19:28 -0700, you wrote:

>This is a childish response to an innocent person looking for information
>and someone who is just trying to be helpful.

Shouting in caps is obnoxious.  I'm sincerely glad that Riversong
showed her the door.  Sounds like she was too.

>I have at least gleaned from our discussion that Fuller was not such an
>elitest as you portend to be.  I too am "lost" as you put it, and will
>"educate myself" elsewhere, but It is obvious to me that I needn't come
>back to the list and share it with you because you appear to have too
>much already.  I was unware of, and frankly uninterested at this time
>in Fuller's philosophical "legacy" and more interested in his technological
>contributions.  When I spot a list named "geodesic" my first impression
>is likely to be domes, and not philosophy.
>
>Neal Bastek

I refuse to be contrite because others have no patience for the
larger ramifications of Fuller's contribution, have only a narrow
focus on domes.

I have no problem sharing GEODESIC with domies, but if they start
getting ugly and shouting in caps and saying "enough is enough",
then I'll maybe take a moment to remind them that their pettiness
is not my problem.

I'm not abusing this list by posting stuff about LAWCAP, GRUNCH
and NATO bombings in the Balkans.  I can't imagine Bucky letting
all this go by without comment either -- nor any thinking individual
with a stake in what goes on aboard Spaceship Earth for that matter.

Recall that my Kosovo posts were about putting up geodesic domes
in the refugee camps.  Some took issue with my casting of FEMA as
a relevant agency (but the FBI goes overseas to investigate crimes,
so why not FEMA to handle disasters?).

I too find some of my back and forth with Brian a bit tedious,
but want to save it for the record anyway (same w/ MSM).  It's
Bucky-related and web-archived -- GEODESIC is an appropriate tool
for the job.

Just delete my posts unread if they're a problem for you.

Certainly I wish a lot more people with some background in Fuller's
philosophy were taking a stand on issues of the day.  There'd be
a lot less public ignorance about our option to succeed, big
time, if we had a greater show of commitment and courage (duh).

It's very clear to me that Fuller had only a few serious-minded
students.  The rest just ripped off whatever they could use and
made it someone else's job to keep the central corpus alive.
I consider myself one of those few -- but certainly not the
only, and am glad for the good company I'm in.

Kirby
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Here's the link to the FEMA gov. site.

http://www.fema.gov/


Here's a link to a site that is not so pro FEMA


http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html

I've personally encountered the dreaded
black helicoptors in Arizona. The DEA use black
painted helicopters too so given I was on the
main artery (I-19)between Tucson and the Mexican
border during the encounter, the coptor that had
me in it's sights could have been a drug surveilence
aircraft. I-19 is the main artery also for drug, gun, and
illegal aliens. I'm quite aware of the long inaffective
drug war the US government as waged in the
American southwest I lived in
 Tucson for 30 + years. The drug war is sham so is
the stupid war on illegal aliens. And IT IS a war
because Mexicans are being shot to death by
 border guards. Border guards on both sides are on the
take. etc. etc. Suffice it to say the power that for
instance
the DEA has or FEMA has is not in the hands of competent
individuals. I'll pass off thier ineffectualnist to
incompetence
and stupid human turf tricks.

Sorry Kirby but the FBI's envolvement abroad
is illegal and is the equivelent of the training camp known
as the "School of the Americas". It's illegal because
the FBI is only supposed to be abroad to train. They are
training which is bad enough, but they're also operating.

It would seem that the powers that be are in general
only trying to maintain the arcaic status quo by any means
such
as drug wars, alien wars etc.

As far as Kosovo goes:
I'll put my money with a UN based emergency relief program.
And if FEMA doesn't like that, they'll have to pry my cold
dead hand
from my computer mouse. :)


Long live the decentralized desimination of information.
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Neal Bastek wrote:

>  I stand corrected as to the content of this list. I was unware of,
> and frankly uninterested in Fuller's philosophical "legacy" and more
> interested in his technological contributions.  When I spot a list
> gamed "geodesic" my first impression will likely be domes, and not
> philosophy. Neal Bastek

Neal,

I understand your difficulty in following what individuals such as Kirby
Urner, Mark Somers, Michael Mitchell, and Brian Hutchings are "talking"
about. I've been "reading" list for several years and half the time I
don't understand what their talking about either!

The problem I've observed is no matter what the subject line it (almost)
always ends up being something about differing forms of political groups
and their attitudes and actions towards other groups and the boundaries
they create.

It would be nice if we did have a subdividing of this list so it was
easier to follow only the topics that currently interest someone viewing
the list. I know that I'm interested in everything Bucky worked on or
thought about, but I do have to admit that there are times I just don't
want to read about politics (I even agree with Heinlein's view that
"Politics is the only game in town for Adults")... especially on long
days were my kids have been "having at each other" <big grin> ;-)

Could it not be possible for someone to go through the archive and find
out what the top 4 or 5 "subjects" that have been discussed on the list
is and then create a mailing list for each? I know there are several
sites that will sponsor mailing lists as well as web based newsgroup
type discussions. (Though doing this could hamper some of the freeform
discussions from happening that have happened in the past <sigh>).

Sincerely yours,
Lawrence C.

ps. boy it must be late... that's more writing than I've done in a week!

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> Tetworld - http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html
>
>
> All, the 4 processing nodes (a,b,c,d) at Tetworld are now in existence, and
> have their own pages--they remain in varying stages of development--Node A
> being the most developed.
>
> I would like to invite your reviewal and comment.
>
> Also, Node B (Global Data, Data Development, Data "Packaging") is seeking
> additional data resources, data links, etc.--your contribution or referral
> will be gratefully received.  Go to:
> http://members.tripod.com/bnodeb/nodeb.html
>
> Node C (Strategic Gaming/Planning) is seeking a lead development person(s).
> Go to:  http://members.tripod.com/nodec/grid2.html
>
> Node A (Global Purpose/Integrity) defines the game structure, system and
> methods of play.  Go to:  http://www.tc.umn.edu/~ahler002/ANODEA.HTM
>
> Node D (Communications/Marketing) could use some good "people skills"
> persons.  Go to:  http://members.tripod.com/dnoded/grid2.html
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
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Kirby,
Arrogance is bliss...
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>As far as Kosovo goes:
>I'll put my money with a UN based emergency relief program.
>And if FEMA doesn't like that, they'll have to pry my cold
>dead hand from my computer mouse. :)
>

I understand your sentiments Mark.  As I posted above, my
approach, when I come across mismanaged entities, is to
recast them in new roles.

There's a momentum thing here.  If a large, heavy train is
going in the wrong direction, do you stand in front of it,
holding out your hand and yelling stop?  Or do you run on
ahead and insert a switch, and then lay some track of your
own in a preferred direction?  Obviously, put that way, my
question is rhetorical.

I take the same approach with the CIA as I do with FEMA.
Bucky's 'Grunch of Giants' zeros in on the CIA like no
other book (although 'Critical Path' mentions it plenty).
He wanted his most serious-minded students to continue his
battles at a psychological level, cool headedly and with
the help of synergetics.  He created a context wherein
they'd have to take on the same invisible army he was
always in trouble with (but precessionally entraining).
Plus you'll find the CIA explicitly on the back of
'Synergetics 2' in many editions, in the person of Ed
Applewhite (another one of his best students). I didn't
make this stuff up -- it's what I was given to work with.

So even though our company (Dawn Wicca and Associates)
does the books for the Ben Linder Foundation (Ben was a
Portland-based engineer, brutally murdered by CIA-backed
contras), even though I'm a Quaker and committed to not
using outward weaponry, I'm still willing to lay positively
vectored track for the devil's own "agency from hell".
That's simply how I run my railroad.  Your strategies
may differ.

Kirby

Relevant reading:
http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/philosophy.html

PS:  speaking of trains, I'd like to use yours
at http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Somers/train1.jpg
as one of those departing from Grand Central at
http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ -- nevermind
whether we get around to an animated version. OK?
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On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:35:28 EST, you wrote:

>Kirby,
>Arrogance is bliss...

Thanks for the lowercase sentiments.
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[something I posted last night to a Quaker listserv -- KU]

Commenting a little more on the USA Green Party Note (shared with this
list by Peter Saint James), I consider it somewhat flawed -- but
agree that NATO has left itself open to such polemics given its own
inability to credibly articulate its position.

In actual fact, it is very much NOT in the USA's economic interests
to be pursuing the current policies. This is a very self-destructive
course, hurtful to global businesses, destructive of many trust-based
relationships.

I think the Greens make the usual mistake in the proferred statement:
they impute devilish cleverness behind events, instead of a simple
"spazzing out".  A lot of the problem is our curriculum.  People are
just sloooooow, thanks to inadequate training.

Now, more regarding my own Quaker-informed approach to a solution:

The current case needs to be contextualized against the backdrop of
a bigger picture in which a promising future is spelled out in more
detail -- I'm talking on a bigger scale than just in the Balkans.
We need to replace hostility with a yearning for peace -- because of
the interesting options and possibilities which it promises.

I realize this sounds vague -- but the imagineering department has
already been rather specific with storyboards and plausible futurism.
With most humans so easily manipulated by media, it's hard to get a
word in edge-wise.  Politicians still monopolize the world stage at
every turn.

I return to my earlier scenario (geodesic domes for Kosovar refugees).
Regardless of atrocities or property crimes against persons or
identity papers in Kosovo itself, the West has a golden opportunity
to showcase its humanitarian side in its management of the refugee
problem.

Any show of competence in this domain will immediately create a
"domino effect" wherein the public thinks "OK, if we can take care
of the Kosovar refugees, how about those folks in Africa?"  This
is a positive development, i.e. we'd like these dominos to fall.

The challenge is to apply grand scale logistics and planning of
the kind applied to warfare, and reapply it in direct service of
civilians (which means we need to stop referring to them
euphemistically as "collateral").

I know this sounds utopian and naive, but the brute fact of the
matter is we have sufficient engineering skill to supply the
necessary inventory, assets and trained personnel.

This is what the Russians are whispering to everybody through
back channels, as a part of their "moral high ground" campaign,
and I'm in a position to know that their psychological warfare
is proving rather effective.  Many journalists and politicians
are looking at the refugee situation with new eyes and thinking
"if we have any superpowers in this picture at all, then we
should have the means to take care of these people in a more
humane and intelligent manner."

If the USA politicians give the green light to its imagineering
sector (high tech and Hollywood-minded), then we'll be freed to
flood the picture with life supportive technologies -- a steep
climb out of the human tragedy confronting us right now.  If
the USA withholds this kind of support, then the Russians will
continue to gain power and credibility, as they continue to point
out (correctly, I have to say), that the USA is deliberately
refusing to mitigate the suffering of innocent Kosovars -- in
effect capitalizing on their suffering and thereby collaborating
with the Slerbs in making their lives a lot more ugly and
miserable than they need to be.

Even the political opponents to the current regime in Slerbia
opposed the bombing -- because it is serving the political
objectives of the current regime.  Clinton and Milosovic are
two sides of the same coin at this point, each using the war
to bolster their selfish political hold on power.  These two
deserve each other.

The sight of a competent and humanitarian agency in this picture
would help to diffuse the war-mongering mentality all around.
The USA is well-positioned to make this a part of the new context
in the Balkans, and the Russians are making sure that everyone
knows this -- meaning every day that goes by without a huge
escalation in humanitarian assistance for the refugees is a
day lost in this game of high stakes psychological warfare.

It's troubling to me to see the USA losing ground in this way.
I pray this slide into hell is short lived and people quickly
come to their senses.

Kirby
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I've learned of a website which engages in technoinvective
against our fearless leader.  In the interests of scholarship,
I've added links from:

http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/technoinvective.html and
http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/calculus3.html

Make sure you hit the reload button a few times to get
the full tilt of this guy's attacks -- and respond in kind!
We should not let such essays go unrebutted.

Kirby
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In a message dated 4/1/99 3:15:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU writes:

<< Shouting in caps is obnoxious. >>

  I am polite, and a lady, and I apologize.  I didn't mean it to be
"shouting".
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Patricia:
A legend in his own mind.
Just ignore Kirby he is trying to act important without
any reason for it, except to be negative...
He loves to slam dance on the screen.
To bad it is a good mind gone to waste.
SLooooowww, heee heeawww. Negative politics
ego, family man. Nato weirdo. BFI hater. DOPER
My site is number one over Robert Gray, Joe Moore,
PBS ON THE Excite search engine.  What a surprise to me.
http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html

There is a god.
It is better to weed out the weeds than to be a weed.
OR to be A WEED OR TO NOT WEED THAT IS THE
WEED DEED. MSM. We love kirby anyway! some day he
will serve a purpose more than band width without the noise.

Patricia Williams wrote:

> Kirby,
> Arrogance is bliss...
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Does anyone on this list have links or references (url's) to dome home
builders, manufacturers?

thanks,
mark
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All,

These are the Tetworld node listbots for respective node members:

Node A:  anode@listbot.com
Node B:  bnode@listbot.com
Node C:  cnode@listbot.com
Node D:  dnode@listbot.com

These are the master Tetworld listbots:

Tetworld only:  tetglobal@listbot.com
Fuller  game discussion:  Tetworld@listbot.com
Belize Development:  bzdev@listbot.com

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On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Kirby Urner wrote:
> I've learned of a website which engages in technoinvective
> against our fearless leader.  In the interests of scholarship,
> I've added links from:
>
> http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/technoinvective.html and
> http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/calculus3.html
>
> Make sure you hit the reload button a few times to get
> the full tilt of this guy's attacks -- and respond in kind!
> We should not let such essays go unrebutted.

Indeed!  Friendly debate is one thing, but the page that is linked from
'Contra Bucky' at the above URLs is out of hand.  This is the kind of
thing that holds us all back.

- Trevor

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This is what we're up against...

Bucky Fuller's lack of ethics has become so flagrant that it merits your
complete attention. And that's why I feel compelled to say something about
satanic dangerous Bucky Fuller clones. He is squalid, inimical,
lascivious, dissolute, choleric, and petulant. Need I go on? I could
substantiate what I'm saying about hate-filled degenerates, but I don't
feel that that's necessary, since we all know what they're like.

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I have a suggestion.  If you have insulting comments about another
subscriber to this listserv, why don't you send an email to only that
person, rather than to the whole list?  I subscribed to this listserv to
learn, not to read 10 emails a day of negative remarks about people on
this list.  I simply don't have the time to go through all these posts if
they're not going to help me learn.

Please, let's stop insulting one another and get back to learning from one
another.

--tami

ps. If you respond to this email please do not send it to the entire list.

On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Michael S. Mitchell wrote:

> Patricia:
> A legend in his own mind.
> Just ignore Kirby he is trying to act important without
> any reason for it, except to be negative...
> He loves to slam dance on the screen.
> To bad it is a good mind gone to waste.
> SLooooowww, heee heeawww. Negative politics
> ego, family man. Nato weirdo. BFI hater. DOPER
> My site is number one over Robert Gray, Joe Moore,
> PBS ON THE Excite search engine.  What a surprise to me.
> http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
>
> There is a god.
> It is better to weed out the weeds than to be a weed.
> OR to be A WEED OR TO NOT WEED THAT IS THE
> WEED DEED. MSM. We love kirby anyway! some day he
> will serve a purpose more than band width without the noise.
>
> Patricia Williams wrote:
>
> > Kirby,
> > Arrogance is bliss...
>

True genius without heart is a thing of naught--for not great
understanding alone, not imagination, nor both together make genius--
Love! Love! that is the soul of genius!

--Gottfried Von Jacquin
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      01-APR-1999 11:37
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 oy; this sounds suspiciously like the ridiculous "method"
 of McLuhan, his "tetrads", which I think were inspired
 by Bucky.  when I confronted a local rpomoter
 of "cultural events" surrounding McLuhan (and Joyce etc.),
 over the silliness of a few of the metaphors that I'd skimmed,
 he tried to declaim that _The Medium is the Message_ was not
 one of his better books (I found the paperback
 in some Dumpster (tm)) !!
    tell me, it ain't so, please.

 thus quoth:
  > All, the 4 processing nodes (a,b,c,d) at Tetworld are now in existence, an
  > have their own pages--they remain in varying stages of development--Node A
  > being the most developed.

 --The Duke of Oil!
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      01-APR-1999 11:43
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 ramshackle "debate" on the so-called drugwar is for children;
 see the "classic" text on the roots of the dope trade,
 now in 4th paperback edition, _Dope, Inc._ (in Spanish,
 _Narcotraffico, S.A._).  call 800/4534108, please.

 Just say, Doh!

 --The Permian Basin Gang!
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      01-APR-1999 11:55
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 unfortunately, Bucky's _GRUNCH_ is far too much of a cartoon,
 to be any sort of viable guide to the history of the Company,
 and its roots in "breeteesh eentellii-gents";
 Ed does nothing to help, whether that's because
 he's from the "analytical side" and id dyscreet, or
 from the "ops side" and wouldn't dare say, Boo!
    on the wayside,
 Art Bell just admitted that his wife also practices "the craft";
 is that why *he* is such a jerk?

 thus quoth:
  He wanted his most serious-minded students to continue his
  battles at a psychological level, cool headedly and with
  the help of synergetics.  He created a context wherein
  they'd have to take on the same invisible army he was
  always in trouble with (but precessionally entraining).

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm
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What are you wearing?

tami wrote:

> I have a suggestion.  If you have insulting comments about another
> subscriber to this listserv, why don't you send an email to only that
> person, rather than to the whole list?  I subscribed to this listserv to
> learn, not to read 10 emails a day of negative remarks about people on
> this list.  I simply don't have the time to go through all these posts if
> they're not going to help me learn.
>
> Please, let's stop insulting one another and get back to learning from one
> another.
>
> --tami
>
> ps. If you respond to this email please do not send it to the entire list.
>
> On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Michael S. Mitchell wrote:
>
> > Patricia:
> > A legend in his own mind.
> > Just ignore Kirby he is trying to act important without
> > any reason for it, except to be negative...
> > He loves to slam dance on the screen.
> > To bad it is a good mind gone to waste.
> > SLooooowww, heee heeawww. Negative politics
> > ego, family man. Nato weirdo. BFI hater. DOPER
> > My site is number one over Robert Gray, Joe Moore,
> > PBS ON THE Excite search engine.  What a surprise to me.
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
> >
> > There is a god.
> > It is better to weed out the weeds than to be a weed.
> > OR to be A WEED OR TO NOT WEED THAT IS THE
> > WEED DEED. MSM. We love kirby anyway! some day he
> > will serve a purpose more than band width without the noise.
> >
> > Patricia Williams wrote:
> >
> > > Kirby,
> > > Arrogance is bliss...
> >
>
> True genius without heart is a thing of naught--for not great
> understanding alone, not imagination, nor both together make genius--
> Love! Love! that is the soul of genius!
>
> --Gottfried Von Jacquin
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      01-APR-1999 12:08
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 what is your source for this "bachchannel" stuff;
 what about the IMF et al UN entitities, crushing Russia?

 thus quoth:
  This is what the Russians are whispering to everybody through
  back channels, as a part of their "moral high ground" campaign,
  and I'm in a position to know that their psychological warfare
  is proving rather effective.  Many journalists and politicians
  are looking at the refugee situation with new eyes and thinking
  "if we have any superpowers in this picture at all, then we
  should have the means to take care of these people in a more
  humane and intelligent manner."

  If the USA politicians give the green light to its imagineering
  sector (high tech and Hollywood-minded), then we'll be freed to
  flood the picture with life supportive technologies -- a steep

 _The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      01-APR-1999 12:16
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 hey, you've heard of Panspermia.  (admittedly,
 these first encounters can be rough !-)
    anyway, do check our scientific journal,
 for a general readership, like you & me (I mean,
 I wish that *I* weren't such a jerk .-)

 thus quoth:
  Technology as been around since
  the first human picked up a stick
  and used it to beat the snot out of LaRouches
  and their zoombie followers, ancestors.

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net
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Ok.  I give up.  I'll leave the listserv.
:(



On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Michael S. Mitchell wrote:

> What are you wearing?
>
> tami wrote:
>
> > I have a suggestion.  If you have insulting comments about another
> > subscriber to this listserv, why don't you send an email to only that
> > person, rather than to the whole list?  I subscribed to this listserv to
> > learn, not to read 10 emails a day of negative remarks about people on
> > this list.  I simply don't have the time to go through all these posts if
> > they're not going to help me learn.
> >
> > Please, let's stop insulting one another and get back to learning from one
> > another.
> >
> > --tami
> >
> > ps. If you respond to this email please do not send it to the entire list.
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Michael S. Mitchell wrote:
> >
> > > Patricia:
> > > A legend in his own mind.
> > > Just ignore Kirby he is trying to act important without
> > > any reason for it, except to be negative...
> > > He loves to slam dance on the screen.
> > > To bad it is a good mind gone to waste.
> > > SLooooowww, heee heeawww. Negative politics
> > > ego, family man. Nato weirdo. BFI hater. DOPER
> > > My site is number one over Robert Gray, Joe Moore,
> > > PBS ON THE Excite search engine.  What a surprise to me.
> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
> > >
> > > There is a god.
> > > It is better to weed out the weeds than to be a weed.
> > > OR to be A WEED OR TO NOT WEED THAT IS THE
> > > WEED DEED. MSM. We love kirby anyway! some day he
> > > will serve a purpose more than band width without the noise.
> > >
> > > Patricia Williams wrote:
> > >
> > > > Kirby,
> > > > Arrogance is bliss...
> > >
> >
> > True genius without heart is a thing of naught--for not great
> > understanding alone, not imagination, nor both together make genius--
> > Love! Love! that is the soul of genius!
> >
> > --Gottfried Von Jacquin
>

True genius without heart is a thing of naught--for not great
understanding alone, not imagination, nor both together make genius--
Love! Love! that is the soul of genius!

--Gottfried Von Jacquin
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Mark I've got one link to
a dome manufacturer here.
http://www.domehome.com/welcome.html

but recently I've found on this list
that the hub type construction used
by Timberline is an inferior method
of construction.

I'l try to find the other links I have
for manufacturers who use the non hub
method.



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Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:34 AM
Subject: Dome Homes?


>Does anyone on this list have links or references (url's)
to dome home
>builders, manufacturers?
>
>thanks,
>mark
>--
>Regards,
>Mark Siegmund
>email:  siegmund@thegrid.net
>Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game
>Introductory Page:
http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world.html
>Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html
>The Tetworld Story:
>http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm
>Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game
article)
>http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html
>To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about
the world game
>concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or
the Belize
>Development list, go to:
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>and select the desired option.
>
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How Romantic.
Unky Mike are you hitting on Tami????
hahahahahahahaha



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>What are you wearing?
>
>tami wrote:
>
>> I have a suggestion.  If you have insulting comments
about another
>> subscriber to this listserv, why don't you send an email
to only that
>> person, rather than to the whole list?  I subscribed to
this listserv to
>> learn, not to read 10 emails a day of negative remarks
about people on
>> this list.  I simply don't have the time to go through
all these posts if
>> they're not going to help me learn.
>>
>> Please, let's stop insulting one another and get back to
learning from one
>> another.
>>
>> --tami
>>
>> ps. If you respond to this email please do not send it to
the entire list.
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Michael S. Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> > Patricia:
>> > A legend in his own mind.
>> > Just ignore Kirby he is trying to act important without
>> > any reason for it, except to be negative...
>> > He loves to slam dance on the screen.
>> > To bad it is a good mind gone to waste.
>> > SLooooowww, heee heeawww. Negative politics
>> > ego, family man. Nato weirdo. BFI hater. DOPER
>> > My site is number one over Robert Gray, Joe Moore,
>> > PBS ON THE Excite search engine.  What a surprise to
me.
>> > http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
>> >
>> > There is a god.
>> > It is better to weed out the weeds than to be a weed.
>> > OR to be A WEED OR TO NOT WEED THAT IS THE
>> > WEED DEED. MSM. We love kirby anyway! some day he
>> > will serve a purpose more than band width without the
noise.
>> >
>> > Patricia Williams wrote:
>> >
>> > > Kirby,
>> > > Arrogance is bliss...
>> >
>>
>> True genius without heart is a thing of naught--for not
great
>> understanding alone, not imagination, nor both together
make genius--
>> Love! Love! that is the soul of genius!
>>
>> --Gottfried Von Jacquin
>
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> Mark I've got one link to
> a dome manufacturer here.
> http://www.domehome.com/welcome.html
>
> but recently I've found on this list
> that the hub type construction used
> by Timberline is an inferior method
> of construction.
>
> I'l try to find the other links I have
> for manufacturers who use the non hub
> method.
>
thanks Mark-

Mark
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Yes enough!

Precession is the key to everything, and if we are in a known universe
that is a volume how do we know we are not one of twelve that
are surrounding another volume.  This would me we have 12 other
universes as we have here.  Because the center one is the 13th.
So we always have 12 more universes to make the real universe.
This means we have 12 more lives to make the rounds.
WE MAY ALL MEET AGAIN IN THESE OTHER
UNIVERSES? This is synergetic geometry thinking about
the exploration of thought, Excuse me tami I am only trying
to laugh at the idea that it stops cancer, like Norman Cousins
would say.  To laugh is to live, What are you wearing?
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I am going to see the Van Gogh exhibit now,
wow I can not wait. See Ya! I am going to
keep the Fuller dome for another year or so.
NO one realises it is a van gogh in Architecture.
Every one missed the chance to get it, now.


Mark Somers wrote:

> Mark I've got one link to
> a dome manufacturer here.
> http://www.domehome.com/welcome.html
>
> but recently I've found on this list
> that the hub type construction used
> by Timberline is an inferior method
> of construction.
>
> I'l try to find the other links I have
> for manufacturers who use the non hub
> method.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Siegmund <siegmund@THEGRID.NET>
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> <GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:34 AM
> Subject: Dome Homes?
>
> >Does anyone on this list have links or references (url's)
> to dome home
> >builders, manufacturers?
> >
> >thanks,
> >mark
> >--
> >Regards,
> >Mark Siegmund
> >email:  siegmund@thegrid.net
> >Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game
> >Introductory Page:
> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world.html
> >Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html
> >The Tetworld Story:
> >http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm
> >Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game
> article)
> >http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html
> >To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about
> the world game
> >concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or
> the Belize
> >Development list, go to:
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> >and select the desired option.
> >
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I've got a pretty good list of URLs:
http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/domeman.html

Kirby

>To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
>
>Does anyone on this list have links or references (url's) to dome home
>builders, manufacturers?
>
>thanks,
>mark
>--
>Regards,
>Mark Siegmund
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On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:08:55 -0800, you wrote:

><<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      01-APR-1999 12:08
>                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
> what is your source for this "bachchannel" stuff;
> what about the IMF et al UN entitities, crushing Russia?

Not Lyn, if you can conceive the notion.

Kirby
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>
>  I am polite, and a lady, and I apologize.  I didn't mean it to be
>"shouting".

You are very gracious.

I hope you find what you're looking for on one of these lists.
Lots of professional domies lurking.

Kirby


PS:  http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/domeman.html for my list
of vendors and providers.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe S Moore [mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 11:14 AM
> To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU
> Subject: RE: Contra Bucky!
>
> The piece below was automatically generated anonymously by
> software called the "Automatic Complaint Letter Generator"; see:
> http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint
>
> Joe S Moore
> mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works
> > [mailto:GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Kirby Urner
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 9:13 AM
> > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> > Subject: Contra Bucky!
> >
> > I've learned of a website which engages in technoinvective
> > against our fearless leader.  In the interests of scholarship,
> > I've added links from:
> >
> http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/technoinvective.html
>
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Yes Joe.  Today is April First, after all.

Kirby

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe S Moore [mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 11:14 AM
>> To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU
>> Subject: RE: Contra Bucky!
>>
>> The piece below was automatically generated anonymously by
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>> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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At 09:26 AM 4/1/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Does anyone on this list have links or references (url's) to dome home
>builders, manufacturers?
>
>thanks,
>mark

Mine pretty good, links to another that may be better:

http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/domeman.html

Reposted this to GEODESIC as well.  For all my rhetoric re
keeping the frequency band wider than "just domes" (when
tuning in Bucky Fuller), I'm certainly looking forward to
an Earthala-style community in the wilderness someplace.
Fingers crossed in this life even.

Kirby

PS:  for more on Project Earthala, check the (literary)
essay at my AFSC website:

http://members.xoom.com/Urner/afsc/earthala.html

Lots of unfamiliar abbreviations, I realize, but I decode
them at the bottom.  Links to the Gaviotas Project (in
Colombia).
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Subject:      Re: Yes, enough

MESSAGE from ="List 01-APR-1999 16:55
 Yes enough!

 Precession is the key to everything, and if we are in a known universe
 that is a volume how do we know we are not one of twelve that
 are surrounding another volume.  This would me we have 12 other
 universes as we have here.  Because the center one is the 13th.
 So we always have 12 more universes to make the real universe.
 This means we have 12 more lives to make the rounds.
 WE MAY ALL MEET AGAIN IN THESE OTHER
 UNIVERSES? This is synergetic geometry thinking about
 the exploration of thought, Excuse me tami I am only trying
 to laugh at the idea that it stops cancer, like Norman Cousins
 would say.  To laugh is to live, What are you wearing?
- - - - -

<<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      01-APR-1999 17:07
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
 she's wearing everything, just like everything is in your brain,
 competing for scarce resource(s).
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MESSAGE from =urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU 01-APR-1999 16:55
 On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:08:55 -0800, you wrote:

 ><<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      01-APR-1999 12:08
 >                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
 >
 > what is your source for this "bachchannel" stuff;
 > what about the IMF et al UN entitities, crushing Russia?

 Not Lyn, if you can conceive the notion.

 Kirby
- - - - -

<<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      01-APR-1999 17:08
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 **** that **** ??
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I went to see Vincent today the Van Gogh painter.
It was, It was a lot like bucky on canvas.
It was to small a canvas to put what bucky had
to put on a canvas. Brian why don't you cut off your cyber ear
and send it to everyone.

I was the only one in the Gallery that had a big magnifying glass
about 7 inches.  They let me use it to look at the paintings.
His brush strokes are many times 1/4 inch deep, and very
symmetrical time consuming dot like impressionists dribble on
with stubble brush and all other ways. Maybe a spatula at times.
His bed room is a 3 foot by 3 foot painting much bigger than most.
The potato eaters are also 3X3.  The flowers, and fields are
the greatest color parades and always hard working people in the
paintings with hard stories searching for one more chance at life.
Thank god for bucky he has made the canvas the whole earth and
we can paint our own picture for the future, with design science and
tools, and bring us all to home together for our future species
to make good of the use of this planet. Vincent had a humming bird
that was made with a dot of paint but you could see it was a humming
bird with the magnifying glass and it was as if he teleported the paint to
make it, it was luck, or was it faith, or was it mind paint, teleported
mind paint into a humming bird, you could almost hear it fly.
Yes enough! Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmming!~~~~~~ :- )
it was so little outside the window of a farm house as a lady was walking
into
the front door all else was dark, a little red humming bird was outside the

window, with out the glass you would think it was a drop of paint that
was a mistake. with it you could see the wings, and sort of tail, with a
head.
It was definitely a humming bird. the rest of the picture was so
depressing,
the humming bird saves the picture to joy, it was the reason for the whole
painting and no one ever sees the bird I bet. It is the size of a candle
wick in
the window but outside the window, I saw it with the magnifying glass.
Yes enough.

Brian Hutchings wrote:

> MESSAGE from ="List 01-APR-1999 16:55
>  Yes enough!
>
>  Precession is the key to everything, and if we are in a known universe
>  that is a volume how do we know we are not one of twelve that
>  are surrounding another volume.  This would me we have 12 other
>  universes as we have here.  Because the center one is the 13th.
>  So we always have 12 more universes to make the real universe.
>  This means we have 12 more lives to make the rounds.
>  WE MAY ALL MEET AGAIN IN THESE OTHER
>  UNIVERSES? This is synergetic geometry thinking about
>  the exploration of thought, Excuse me tami I am only trying
>  to laugh at the idea that it stops cancer, like Norman Cousins
>  would say.  To laugh is to live, What are you wearing?
> - - - - -
>
> <<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      01-APR-1999 17:07
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>  she's wearing everything, just like everything is in your brain,
>  competing for scarce resource(s).
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Please don't shoot your self over this, I love you.
Don't be a apoiled brat like Kirby and leave the list
all the time. Van Gogh would not leave the list.
He would shoot him self. LOVE LOVE LOVE
IS ALL WE NEED!

tami wrote:

> Ok.  I give up.  I'll leave the listserv.
> :(
>
> On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Michael S. Mitchell wrote:
>
> > What are you wearing?
> >
> > tami wrote:
> >
> > > I have a suggestion.  If you have insulting comments about another
> > > subscriber to this listserv, why don't you send an email to only that
> > > person, rather than to the whole list?  I subscribed to this listserv to
> > > learn, not to read 10 emails a day of negative remarks about people on
> > > this list.  I simply don't have the time to go through all these posts if
> > > they're not going to help me learn.
> > >
> > > Please, let's stop insulting one another and get back to learning from one
> > > another.
> > >
> > > --tami
> > >
> > > ps. If you respond to this email please do not send it to the entire list.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Michael S. Mitchell wrote:
> > >
> > > > Patricia:
> > > > A legend in his own mind.
> > > > Just ignore Kirby he is trying to act important without
> > > > any reason for it, except to be negative...
> > > > He loves to slam dance on the screen.
> > > > To bad it is a good mind gone to waste.
> > > > SLooooowww, heee heeawww. Negative politics
> > > > ego, family man. Nato weirdo. BFI hater. DOPER
> > > > My site is number one over Robert Gray, Joe Moore,
> > > > PBS ON THE Excite search engine.  What a surprise to me.
> > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
> > > >
> > > > There is a god.
> > > > It is better to weed out the weeds than to be a weed.
> > > > OR to be A WEED OR TO NOT WEED THAT IS THE
> > > > WEED DEED. MSM. We love kirby anyway! some day he
> > > > will serve a purpose more than band width without the noise.
> > > >
> > > > Patricia Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Kirby,
> > > > > Arrogance is bliss...
> > > >
> > >
> > > True genius without heart is a thing of naught--for not great
> > > understanding alone, not imagination, nor both together make genius--
> > > Love! Love! that is the soul of genius!
> > >
> > > --Gottfried Von Jacquin
> >
>
> True genius without heart is a thing of naught--for not great
> understanding alone, not imagination, nor both together make genius--
> Love! Love! that is the soul of genius!
>
> --Gottfried Von Jacquin
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What do you want to know about domes. I own Bucky and Anne's
dome home in Carbondale the original first and only dome of Bucky.
I worked with bucky very closely for 16 years and traveled around the
world with him once in 1972.  Would you like to buy his dome
from me and not build your one in the woods. I am now asking
200K after I have seen the Van Gogh exhibit here in LA, the dome
in Carbondale is the only single family dome that bucky designed.
It is a master piece of architecture and most critics of it are just
harshly jealous of it not being theirs.  If you would like to see it
go to my site, to make a park out of it.
http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrvity/index.html
If you have any questions about bucky and domes
I am an expert or I mean a comprehensivists or I mean
and expert comprehesivists expert specialists, comprehensisvisttiststttttt.
I am really a unitivitist, one who units all events into one cosmic
reality that is easy to understand and feel special with the understanding
that it is just love and that is all us monkeys need most as you say.
I love you. Michael S. Mitchell Marry me.

tami wrote:

> Ok.  I give up.  I'll leave the listserv.
> :(
>
> On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Michael S. Mitchell wrote:
>
> > What are you wearing?
> >
> > tami wrote:
> >
> > > I have a suggestion.  If you have insulting comments about another
> > > subscriber to this listserv, why don't you send an email to only that
> > > person, rather than to the whole list?  I subscribed to this listserv to
> > > learn, not to read 10 emails a day of negative remarks about people on
> > > this list.  I simply don't have the time to go through all these posts if
> > > they're not going to help me learn.
> > >
> > > Please, let's stop insulting one another and get back to learning from one
> > > another.
> > >
> > > --tami
> > >
> > > ps. If you respond to this email please do not send it to the entire list.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Michael S. Mitchell wrote:
> > >
> > > > Patricia:
> > > > A legend in his own mind.
> > > > Just ignore Kirby he is trying to act important without
> > > > any reason for it, except to be negative...
> > > > He loves to slam dance on the screen.
> > > > To bad it is a good mind gone to waste.
> > > > SLooooowww, heee heeawww. Negative politics
> > > > ego, family man. Nato weirdo. BFI hater. DOPER
> > > > My site is number one over Robert Gray, Joe Moore,
> > > > PBS ON THE Excite search engine.  What a surprise to me.
> > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
> > > >
> > > > There is a god.
> > > > It is better to weed out the weeds than to be a weed.
> > > > OR to be A WEED OR TO NOT WEED THAT IS THE
> > > > WEED DEED. MSM. We love kirby anyway! some day he
> > > > will serve a purpose more than band width without the noise.
> > > >
> > > > Patricia Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Kirby,
> > > > > Arrogance is bliss...
> > > >
> > >
> > > True genius without heart is a thing of naught--for not great
> > > understanding alone, not imagination, nor both together make genius--
> > > Love! Love! that is the soul of genius!
> > >
> > > --Gottfried Von Jacquin
> >
>
> True genius without heart is a thing of naught--for not great
> understanding alone, not imagination, nor both together make genius--
> Love! Love! that is the soul of genius!
>
> --Gottfried Von Jacquin
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It is not as much as what we write about as that we focus on one list
that will allow the true nature of humanity to come together with
thoughts that will make us lift the species to a higher level.
I know that if enough focus is out there on the net, I can make
mind matrix ideas that I have had in my the back of my mind
that come out with the fact that all these idiots are watching.
I mean colleagues. I have not been with bucky for
16 years the same amount of time I worked with him.  To
remember some times takes the knowing fact that others never
met him and I need to make true facts about him apparent to others.
He was a great man because as tami states he had love for the whole
human species, equal and looked out for them with ideas for design
to save the species  from extinction.  HE was very interesting in he
as Norman Cousins would say he made you proud to be human,
this is a new idea in this world of war, and hunger. The most
interesting
thing about ideas that bucky had and offers to us all is that no one
else has these ideas and he has no competition in this regard.
The educational system has him off the radar screen and his ideas
are the only one of there kind that will solve all the worlds problems.
WE here on this list will make the revolution of the design science
new age make the world work, world game, Geni type scams work
and make the world work for all black, white, brown, yellow,
all must have equal futures and in time we shall all be happy to
have worked for this end.  IT is not communism to help your children
eat and train them how to hold a fork, or chop sticks, it is not
communism to help feed the world, it is love. WE are the only
humans that really care that know bucky, the rest are in a Darwin
and Malthusian dream of dog eat dog. War, for what, to save oil
so you can come back from Nam and have the price of gas
be doubled after you had your knees blown off to get the gas.
This is bad planning. We need management on this planet, I would
vote for Kirby for president over the rest of these gas chiefs, pip
squeaks.
President of the world, The computer should be president and we
should all just program in the problems and let it spit out the
Ed Applewhite award for the best design to date. Dymaxion
government, on a  world level. We must first form a vortex
mind matrix that will allow all humans to be on the same wave
of interaction to start with.  My design for this is unitivity.
This is a mind vortex matrix that will allow all agreement to
come together and allow  co-operation on a grand scale.
IT is the idea that we have a state of mind to allow
integration of all people of all thought programs to
have a place of truce to allow   all race, class and religions
a place to say we put our hatchets in the ground and lets
talk out how we can make the future work and then we
can all live together with our differences and be proud.
This is using the unitific method, integration not specialization.
Comprehensive mind matrix modes for the millennium..
http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      02-APR-1999  2:02
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 for the sake of the readership (or leadership),
 I am going to mak the supreme effort, following this post,
 to not engage Mitchell and his Vulcan Mind Meld of himself,
 a.k.a. Analtivity (sik .-)
    let me just drop an atomic mindbomb,
 albeit just a blank to make the scene worthy of Hollywood,
 as we must for the sake of finally getting a Bucky Bicentennial
 from the USPO.  actually,
 just for the Virtual High Frontier crowd of one, himself.

 no, wait; I better extend this across 2 messages,
 maybe tomorrow to be continued!

 --Yes, we have bananas -- in the Cabinet!
 http://www.larouchepub.com
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      02-APR-1999  2:06
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 oops:

  To: geodesic@listserv.ascu.buffalo.edu
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  <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      01-APR-1999 17:27
                   r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

   we *did* have a "backchannel" to the SU, or were one,
   when Reagan was going with Lyn's SDI.  unfortunately,
   the hacks at the Heritage Foundation slandered this,
   putting up their own *ballistical* missile defense,
   which has always been a geopolitical joke, as now,
   when the so-called Republicans are gunning for the same thing,
   strictly to incite pandemonium in China & so on,
   not as any co-operative decimation of MAD.
      the "High Frontier" was an L5 Society and Atomic Strangelovin' *attack*
   upon SDI, which was really more of an effort
   to get "up" to space, than any thing else.  not some thing
   that you'd read about in The Times, though.

   the current round of bombing was instigated, again,
   by Al Gore, who made the call to Primakov,
   who was on the way on a plane.  this is why this guy has *got* to go,
   either by strictly limiting his "activities" to his official ones,
   or preferably by removal from office.
      your NGOs did not remove Suharto;
   it was their friends at the IMF, who made a genocidal dysaster,
   there, to "make it so".

   --The Duke of Oil!
   http://www.tarpley.net

  --RAA07695.923016422/pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us--

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Kirby I've finish playing
around with the choo choo train
and here's the newer image.

http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Somers/train2.jpg

Some how the government (The secret one you know)
found out about me making changes to the train and last
night I had a backyard full of black helicopters from
the National Transportation Safety Board. They informed
me that I needed to install, along with the rail ties, air
bags.
Where apon realizing that they were in Montana and we here
don't have any of that new fangled indoor plumbing, they
abruptly left.

I didn't put any lettering on the train as you'll notice,
but given
the holiday I was tempted to put a half dozen or so little
Easter
bunnies in the Cow catcher. Their flufy little butts stuck
in
between the bars, replete with their little paws clutching
tenaciously to the handles of what's left of their Easter
baskets, but I remembered your web site is family oriented.


I didn't put
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I am truly on your wavelength...and it makes me amused as I remember the
names they called us for saying those things back in the '60's - and again
now!  Domes are much more than a collection of triangles.  "The whole is
more than the sum of its parts".  We really can't avoid the philosophy - but
there is a delete key for those who would rather not deal with it now...
<G>lenn

Michael S. Mitchell <syntrivity@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote in message
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> It is not as much as what we write about as that we focus on one list
> that will allow the true nature of humanity to come together with
> thoughts that will make us lift the species to a higher level.
> I know that if enough focus is out there on the net, I can make
> mind matrix ideas that I have had in my the back of my mind
> that come out with the fact that all these idiots are watching.
> I mean colleagues. I have not been with bucky for
> 16 years the same amount of time I worked with him.  To
> remember some times takes the knowing fact that others never
> met him and I need to make true facts about him apparent to others.
> He was a great man because as tami states he had love for the whole
> human species, equal and looked out for them with ideas for design
> to save the species  from extinction.  HE was very interesting in he
> as Norman Cousins would say he made you proud to be human,
> this is a new idea in this world of war, and hunger.
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but
there is a delete key for those who would rather not deal with it now...
<G>lenn

Michael S. Mitchell <syntrivity@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote in message
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> It is not as much as what we write about as that we focus on one list
> that will allow the true nature of humanity to come together with
> thoughts that will make us lift the species to a higher level.
> I know that if enough focus is out there on the net, I can make
> mind matrix ideas that I have had in my the back of my mind
> that come out with the fact that all these idiots are watching.
> I mean colleagues. I have not been with bucky for
> 16 years the same amount of time I worked with him.  To
> remember some times takes the knowing fact that others never
> met him and I need to make true facts about him apparent to others.
> He was a great man because as tami states he had love for the whole
> human species, equal and looked out for them with ideas for design
> to save the species  from extinction.  HE was very interesting in he
> as Norman Cousins would say he made you proud to be human,
> this is a new idea in this world of war, and hunger.



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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      02-APR-1999 11:38
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 "acid-head" ??
    seriously, domes really *are* "more than a bunch of trigona";
 they're a bunch of "vertexia" !!

 thus quoth:
  names they called us for saying those things back in the '60's - and =
  again
  now!  Domes are much more than a collection of triangles.  "The whole is
  more than the sum of its parts".  We really can't avoid the philosophy - =

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      02-APR-1999 12:02
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 I don't want to belabor this, but if you want
 to see some supra-Times coverage of this thread on Kosovo,
 look at the homepage of my political associates.
 there's a very concise statement, just underneath the garish cover
 of the Gore pamphlet, whose whole text is linked therefrom
 in an Acrobat file (this is a new, humoruos pic of Ozymandius Al,
 though, that I had not seen .-)

 http://www.larouchepub.com

 let me just note in afterthought,
 that the same  oldmoneyed doofus that was bankrolling the NGOs
 that were behind the Starr Chambers assault on Clinton,
 is the very same doofus who was funding the Get LaRouche mob,
 following the near-success of Operation Juarez, and
 the threatened success of SDI, in the mid-'80s.  similarly,
 anyone who sides with Tinny Blair, Newt & Toffler, and Gore,
 and their "third way" retrofascist, anti-nation-state balderdash,
 are enemies of the US, the old SU, and most everyone
 who is not in the "upper" 5% of less-useless eaters;
 they'd probably just rather have a nice war, but
 they also own the bodybag factory.
    dug?
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Earth Day was inspired and started by Bucky Fuller many have
forgotten this fact.  I went to one here in LA and not one word
was stated so.  This is Bucky's inspired space ship earth day.
He was the first to use the word ecology and to show that
the world was not flat so waste is finite as well as the trash bin,.
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Unitivitist.
I accept all unless there is violence that harms physical
beings.  If you are an acid head I still love you.
Many that have worked with bucky were first involved with
LSD.  I would not like to name them all, I do not
think this would be Kosher to do on the Holidays.
I took it once in Carbondale in 1963 a day or so before
I met bucky and anne at the Fowler poetry reading.
Osly.  IT was such a religious experience that I needed
someone like bucky to allow me to understand the
volume of interest that is available to an individual.
I am not sorry I did it, and it was legal at this time.
I do not base any ideas on this experience but I do
think that it blows the ego out of the picture enough
that you can drive a truck through. I have to go to
work, we all can't sit in the library like you huck.

Brian Hutchings wrote:

> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      02-APR-1999 11:38
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  "acid-head" ??
>     seriously, domes really *are* "more than a bunch of trigona";
>  they're a bunch of "vertexia" !!
>
>  thus quoth:
>   names they called us for saying those things back in the '60's - and =
>   again
>   now!  Domes are much more than a collection of triangles.  "The whole is
>   more than the sum of its parts".  We really can't avoid the philosophy - =
>
>  --The Duke of Oil!
>  http://www.tarpley.net
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Subject:      Earth Day April 22.

MESSAGE from ="List 02-APR-1999 16:51
 Earth Day was inspired and started by Bucky Fuller many have
 forgotten this fact.  I went to one here in LA and not one word
 was stated so.  This is Bucky's inspired space ship earth day.
 He was the first to use the word ecology and to show that
 the world was not flat so waste is finite as well as the trash bin,.
- - - - -

<<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      02-APR-1999 16:55
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 what BS, man!...  it was started by Stew Brand and Ira Einhorn
 -- who is still a fugitive, but not for this reason!
    so, what *other* words did you hear Bucky saith,
 for the first time in *your* life?

 oy, and I said, I wouldn't respond to you, but
 I wasn't finished!
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Many here in Wisconsin give credit to our former Senator Gaylord Nelson for
the start of Earth Day.  But we are all right.  After all it was, and must
be a collective thing.
<G>lenn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works
> [mailto:GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Brian Hutchings
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 6:56 PM
> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> Subject: Earth Day April 22.
>
>
> MESSAGE from ="List 02-APR-1999 16:51
>  Earth Day was inspired and started by Bucky Fuller many have
>  forgotten this fact.  I went to one here in LA and not one word
>  was stated so.  This is Bucky's inspired space ship earth day.
>  He was the first to use the word ecology and to show that
>  the world was not flat so waste is finite as well as the trash bin,.
> - - - - -
>
> <<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      02-APR-1999 16:55
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  what BS, man!...  it was started by Stew Brand and Ira Einhorn
>  -- who is still a fugitive, but not for this reason!
>     so, what *other* words did you hear Bucky saith,
>  for the first time in *your* life?
>
>  oy, and I said, I wouldn't respond to you, but
>  I wasn't finished!
>
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the truth is that we are all in precession as well as everything that is not
us.
this is more important than anything else. We must all precess together with
all the rest of it, with truth in our heart and love in our minds for all that
we
can.  Dylan is playing here in LA with Paul Simon, I wish they would play
for the humans in harmony concert for the year 2000 to make the world
work and make earth day everyday.  Maggy Mead started it maybe.
Bucky did more than anyone to make earth day.  He talked to 2k people
a week on average personally. The spark of humanities ability to comprehend
that the earth is for all of us as a space ship was inspired by bucky alone.
The rest is history.  He is the rainbow baboon of earth day 2K.

Glenn Norgren wrote:

> Many here in Wisconsin give credit to our former Senator Gaylord Nelson for
> the start of Earth Day.  But we are all right.  After all it was, and must
> be a collective thing.
> <G>lenn
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works
> > [mailto:GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Brian Hutchings
> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 6:56 PM
> > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> > Subject: Earth Day April 22.
> >
> >
> > MESSAGE from ="List 02-APR-1999 16:51
> >  Earth Day was inspired and started by Bucky Fuller many have
> >  forgotten this fact.  I went to one here in LA and not one word
> >  was stated so.  This is Bucky's inspired space ship earth day.
> >  He was the first to use the word ecology and to show that
> >  the world was not flat so waste is finite as well as the trash bin,.
> > - - - - -
> >
> > <<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      02-APR-1999 16:55
> >                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
> >
> >  what BS, man!...  it was started by Stew Brand and Ira Einhorn
> >  -- who is still a fugitive, but not for this reason!
> >     so, what *other* words did you hear Bucky saith,
> >  for the first time in *your* life?
> >
> >  oy, and I said, I wouldn't respond to you, but
> >  I wasn't finished!
> >
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Here's another train image
Kirby, different camera angle
ans smaller.

http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Somers/train3.jpg

Here's a link to the first one again

http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Somers/train2.jpg

Brian, I was watching Peter Jennings "The Century"
and he had never before seen footage of Szilard with
Einstein and I was right Szilard didn't twist Einstein's
arm instead he used one of those Three Stooges
nose holds on him.

Nyuk nyuk nyuk  nyuk
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In alt.politics.org.cia, urner@alumni.princeton.edu (Kirby Urner) wrote:



As usual, the Brits are quicker on the uptake, realizing
that any deaths among the Kosovar Albanians (aside from
those attributable to old age, which would be difficult
to assign, after all this exacerbating trauma) while
under NATO's care (i.e. in a refugee holding pattern),
is a blow to NATO's credibility as an humanitarian agency
(the humanitarian cause of the Kosovars was the whole
point of the bombing campaign, if you still recall the
opening gambit rhetoric).

I've heard whispers from a well placed source that MI5
is secretly drawing up plans to bump paying customers off
the QE2 and send this luxury cruise liner to the Adriatic
to pick up a load of the most seriously endangered Kosovars.
Britain is hoping other NATO countries with cruise liners
will follow suit, and start a Humanitarian Armada.

For its part, the USA has many office buildings with hotel-
grade plumbing, suitable for evacuating and filling with
refugees.  Given USAers have two places of residence
(office and home), the displaced workers will be entitled
to full pay and benefits as they retire to their homes,
in some cases telecommuting to keep the paperwork flowing
(in many cases, that won't be necessary).  Businesses
with no credible Y2K plans might be first in line to
surrender to this FEMA-orchestrated bail-out.

All this will be way more effective than helpless hand-
wringing and waiting for USAers to voluntarily part with
their extra garage-stowed hand-me-downs. This cannot be
treated like some typical Christian guilt trip operation,
where the focus is keeping a trickle going out the back
door (apparently, DCers miscalculated, thinking that kind
of piss poor treatment would be sufficient in this case).
Rather, this is an emergency situation that will require
real sacrifices. If the geodesic dome option is too high
tech and logistically challenging for NATO to take on in
the short run, then I think this British maneuver (cruise
ships) coupled with the CIA initiative (empty the office
buildings for refugees) is more likely to bear fruit in
a hurry.

I've glued to my TV, watching for news of these
developments.  The intelligence agencies aren't always
listened to these days (obviously), given the crying
need of certain politicians (some of them disguised
in military uniforms) to hog the limelight and press
scenarios which contain very few IQ points (thereby
playing into the hands of the high IQ Russians, as
per usual).

Kirby
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You know if the Russians
were really interested in the refugees
they'd take em in. That act would
strike a blow to NATO. It also would make
logistics easier than loading a lot of
folks on boats. Plus just has having the refugees
stay in the States or in Britian would also give
them protection so would I think giving them
access to Russian territory.
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Here's another train
pic from another camera
angle.

http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Somers/train4.jpg


And of course I should be pluging
this site: "A Fuller Explanation"

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/marksomers/40.html
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Kirby how about forming a
Shelter Tiger Team?

1.) Get assesments from dome builders
who frequent this message list for starters.

a.) Are their air deliverable units on the
market now?

 b.) If not air deliverable now then witch company
 if any can best accomadate the quickest deployment.


2.) Construction bids etc for 1,000 to 10,000 units.

a.) Also include transport costs.

b.) Unit delivery times etc.

c.) Include costs for integrating heating/cooling.

3.) Can a package be put together
including other resources, food, blankets?

4.) How long would these units be needed?

a.) Maintenence?

b.) Refugee involvement for on site construction and
or set up?
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Tel. 202-362-1078 Fax 202- 966-7704
12 volt electric blankets.  They have been in business for25 years.
Run your electric blanket off your wind mill or solar cell, for cots
or in a car, boat etc.  These are very good for refugee articles for
survival design. Bunk Warmer.  74 dollar singel, 89 double size.
Lemania LLC, 6917 Western Ave. NW, Wash. DC 20015

Mark Somers wrote:

> Kirby how about forming a
> Shelter Tiger Team?
>
> 1.) Get assesments from dome builders
> who frequent this message list for starters.
>
> a.) Are their air deliverable units on the
> market now?
>
>  b.) If not air deliverable now then witch company
>  if any can best accomadate the quickest deployment.
>
> 2.) Construction bids etc for 1,000 to 10,000 units.
>
> a.) Also include transport costs.
>
> b.) Unit delivery times etc.
>
> c.) Include costs for integrating heating/cooling.
>
> 3.) Can a package be put together
> including other resources, food, blankets?
>
> 4.) How long would these units be needed?
>
> a.) Maintenence?
>
> b.) Refugee involvement for on site construction and
> or set up?
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Kirby your letters are turning brown from deification articulation.
I am not selling the dome of Bucky and Anne any more there
is not enough interest to sacrifice the greatest dome in the world
for 54K to make a park.  When it gets around 100K I will
let the park happen. I hope that someone will give me 100K
to invest in Fuller projects of my own choice and make
a park out of it in Carbondale before the year 2k.

http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html

We all only learn by mistakes, But only the first time
it is made does it not count after that the second ones
count,.  Joe Moore is a great example of a non-ego design
site integrity; say not, do only' being.
You Kirby talk about you , me, me, me, and I, I , I and
you never even met bucky but once for 30 minutes.

this is not to say that you have to meet him to see his ideas
for humanity as a design for integrity.  But you use them for
ego design, so your parents can rationalize the money they spent on
your education.  You hide behind Ed Applewhite as if he makes your
mind clean and clear of guilt of selfish ego games.  We all love you
anyway,
but try and let others have some fun as well.  Kosovo will bring a lot
of hurt to a lot of people and Pearl Harbor may be around the corner
in this respect you may be right to say World Game is information that
all those participating in the war do not know anything of this option.
But politics becomes noise fast.  I agree that bucky was A political and

your slobbering lines are just part of your covering up how ignorant you

really are of bucky and his ideas. I forgive you. WE do have to talk
about
something and domes get boring after while as well, I want to talk about

unitivity and no ones cares but at least it is new and original. I feel
it is
more pertinent to bucky than anything else, it took me 30 years of
work to get to the ideas I have.  I only studied bucky and that is it.
Of course this means everything in the universe. I wish you and
yours as well as all others happy holidays to the Jewish persons, and
the easter persons and so on. MSM
Don't be so surprised your ignorance is deeper than the ocean on
that one.  You are reprimanded more than anyone on all these
Fuller sites.  YOu are just a computer freak gone mad, try
and find more to die for than defending your ego for the sake
of humanity, try caring more about people on this list.
You have made me into a mad man just to get past the
dragon at the entrance of the cave, you.  You make this list
angry and I have plenty of e-mails that say if Kirby just wasn't
dominating the lists we could get some real heart filled info
and a warm feeling that bucky had with this tool,  You make
it a slam dance of ego's and you have made me make a fool
of myself cleaning up your mess all the time.  I would like to
talk about real truthful ideas that can help us all share
in the ideas more and not just wait for your judgment for the record
that you are leaving for your imaginary followers in the future.
Enough already! Calm your self and let others participate with
dignity and not have to slay the dragon to get an idea across.

Kirby Urner wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:32:11 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >I agree!
> >
> >
> >Joe S Moore
> >mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
> >Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
> >http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
> I'm surprised!
>
> Kirby
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Technology is what nature will allow.
Bucky stated to me ask your girl friend if she will
let you next to her technology, to get this point across.
stars are technology,  nature is technology.
Mark Somers wrote:

> Technology isn't just for us
> dumb ass space cadets, Brian.
> Technology as been around since
> the first human picked up a stick
> and used it to beat the snot out of LaRouches
> and their zoombie followers, ancestors.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: NASA more like Bucky
>
> ><<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings
> 31-MAR-1999 21:27
> >                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
> >
> > well, normally, we don't deal with dumb-ass space-cadets,
> but
> > you should get a copy of our journal,
> > *21st Century Science and Technology*, ne *Fusion*,
> > til the Bushwhackers shut it down (and
> > they are also known as Royal Luddites).
> >    on the wayside,
> > what NASA is upt to, not particularly due to
> headbeancounter-
> > fromTRW, Goldin, is what I call, Cheap, Cheaper, Cheapest!
> > the non-use of a radiothermalgenerator on Pathfinder was
> an example,
> > as it could have run til it dropped, although
> > this was largely because of the EPA and the people,
> > namely environmentalists, who have been stricken by Henry
> Stimson
> > and the doctors Strangelovin' (just saw them freak
> > over Galileo !-)
> >
> > thus quoth:
> >  Mr. Roach, he especially doesn't seem to understand
> >  the impact of technological evolution, which by the way
> >  is the only real Natural Selection going on.
> >
> > --The Duke of Oil!
> > http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm
> >
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We are monkeys and we chatter in the trees. some times one monkey can
help another monkey and not know it.  IF HELPING EACH OTHER
IS IN ALL OUR HEARTS IT IS WORTH THE TROUBLE TO
PUT UP WITH THE CHATTER. As you may have figured out
by now I am interested in selling Bucky's home to make a park.
I would like to share what little I can before I die in some stupid way
as you know, they come synergeticly and who knows what is next.
I would like to sell the dome and hope they make the Fullerene
Memorial Park out of it. Take this money write my Fuller book and
die in piece.  I hope your health is good and blessings to you on
the holy days ahead. to me any day is a holy day and the whole
world is holy land. Every person is a jewel of god and I hope you
get more than just politics out of my being on this list.  I hate that
which is not scientifically proven over and over again.
It takes one person to dominate a list and tilt it to oblivion.
I try to tilt it back towards the way It would be better for
the fuller family and people to try and see the truth about bucky
he was the only comprehensivists and the only real world man
yet on earth.  A mold for others to become happy on earth, this
is what he did for me and I can only speak for me, he inspired
me to be good, honest and care for humanity with all my heart.

Lawrence E. Couey wrote:

> Neal Bastek wrote:
>
> >  I stand corrected as to the content of this list. I was unware of,
> > and frankly uninterested in Fuller's philosophical "legacy" and more
> > interested in his technological contributions.  When I spot a list
> > gamed "geodesic" my first impression will likely be domes, and not
> > philosophy. Neal Bastek
>
> Neal,
>
> I understand your difficulty in following what individuals such as Kirby
> Urner, Mark Somers, Michael Mitchell, and Brian Hutchings are "talking"
> about. I've been "reading" list for several years and half the time I
> don't understand what their talking about either!
>
> The problem I've observed is no matter what the subject line it (almost)
> always ends up being something about differing forms of political groups
> and their attitudes and actions towards other groups and the boundaries
> they create.
>
> It would be nice if we did have a subdividing of this list so it was
> easier to follow only the topics that currently interest someone viewing
> the list. I know that I'm interested in everything Bucky worked on or
> thought about, but I do have to admit that there are times I just don't
> want to read about politics (I even agree with Heinlein's view that
> "Politics is the only game in town for Adults")... especially on long
> days were my kids have been "having at each other" <big grin> ;-)
>
> Could it not be possible for someone to go through the archive and find
> out what the top 4 or 5 "subjects" that have been discussed on the list
> is and then create a mailing list for each? I know there are several
> sites that will sponsor mailing lists as well as web based newsgroup
> type discussions. (Though doing this could hamper some of the freeform
> discussions from happening that have happened in the past <sigh>).
>
> Sincerely yours,
> Lawrence C.
>
> ps. boy it must be late... that's more writing than I've done in a week!
>
> --
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Lawrence E. Couey
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>      (CATT/FXi)
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> ---------------------------------------------
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>  What my employer thinks is what he thinks.
>     Sometimes there is a union,
>       sometimes an intersection,
>         and sometimes an empty set.
>
>                 -- Lawrence Couey, (c) 1994
> ---------------------------------------------
>
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Hey little guy, I haven't made it hard for you to post
to Synergetics-L.  You subscribed when you chose to and
have been here ever since, posting whatever and whenever
you like.

Forgive me if I take the same liberties myself, but I
don't institute a liberal set of guidelines just for
your benefit and not for mine.  I have the same freedoms
as you do.

Your holding out how well you knew Bucky is quite pathetic.
Likely his greatest students are as yet unborn.  I am
just one player among many.  I'm got my strengths and
weaknesses, like anyone.  One of my weaknesses as I allow
myself to respond to your utter crap from time to time.

I know Joe Moore, have met him in person, have had private
email exchanges with the guy, and believe it or not it's
OK for me to register surprise.  I'm not telling him he's
wrong or bad -- just saying I'm surprised, that's all.
Very simple.  You make a big doo doo out of it.

You really do seem extremely jealous of your relationship
with Bucky and want our adulation based on that friendship.
As far as I'm concerned, you haven't earned our respect
and leaning on Bucky the way you do is sad.  I don't know
why you say I hide behind Ed, as I simply reposted something
he sent to the list, with my thanks.  Many people have the
same opinion. You have really made a gigantic fool of
yourself, is my reading.

Joe Moore subscribes here as well and knows I've always
respected his scholarship and best efforts, any disagreements
aside.

You, on the other hand, I do not respect at all.  You're a
greedy parasite, a sell out, milking your supposed friendship
with Bucky for all it's worth financially, dangling the dome
in front of the family and making them jump through your hoops.
Anytime someone has an honest disagreement with you about the
value of your silly albatross plywood fabrication in Carbondale,
you go through the roof, calling Jay Baldwin "Hitler" for
example.  That's just your gut talking -- you want your 100K
bucks and no one had better stand in your way.

Then, when you're worried about how you're coming across (I'd
certainly worry, if I were you), you coat your posts in a lot
of lovey dovey "we love you, we forgive you" sycophantic suck-
up language.  Sugar coated shit, is your trademarked product.

I'm frankly quite disgusted.  But it's your own grave you've
made for yourself.  Sounds like you're quite happy with it.
Rest in peace then.  I have no real desire to continue this
conversation, which is highly repetitive and gets us nowhere.

I apologize to this list for indulging in another round with
this guy.  I've made my position absolutely clear and this
really doesn't add anything.  In future, I'll simply post
the URL for this one, if anyone ever asks me what I think
of MSM and his "unitivity" bullshit, which has nothing to
do with synergetics and is a discredit to Bucky.  MSM was
one of Fuller's worst students, that much is crystal clear.

Kirby
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I swear this the last update
to the choo choo train. (Yea right!!)
:)

http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Somers/train5.jpg

No quick delivery domes but we've got solar
powered blankeys.
That's a start I guess.

I've created a Buckyball page equipted with eye crossing 3d
images.

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/marksomers/c60molecule.html

that is connected off my desert dome page.

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/marksomers/desertdome.html

Which non are connected off of "A Fuller Explanation"

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/marksomers/40.html

OK I'm done.
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From:         "Michael S. Mitchell" <syntrivity@EARTHLINK.NET>
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Happy easter big bunny.
I do not dangle the dome in front of the family.
I dangle the dome of Bucky and Anne's in front of those
that would like to pay me back the money I have in it.
The family supports me all the way, doo doo bird.
You on the other hand are locked out.
You are the monster that makes it so hard on all these
lists to get to a loving and happy go lucky communication
around here.  You and your Hitler Jay who thinks wood domes
are out of date and his pillow dome is twice as good as any in
the world.  You speak highly of your own artifacts and low
of  Bucky and the institute.  This put you in a no defense position
except to hide behind your visit with Ed as still in the ok bucky
club.  I am on the peoples side of this. I want to help others have
a clear road when they come in here. I have run into a brick wall
from the start just like any new comer will, you.  You always make
every one think you are the prince of Fullers new world.  I am.
Not you. Or at least I am a much more loving person than you are
but as said before arrogance like you and Jay is bliss.  I am here to
bulldoze you guys into mediocrity and allow others to see that
for the truth of Fuller's ideas you both are just parrots out to show
your feathers I have 10 lines of original thinking for every word of
yours.  You should allow your humble strengths to lead you not
your anger that you are not king of tetrahedrons.  I have made your
mistakes before and that is why I tell you chill out as king tut.
My dome home in Carbondale is the first bucky ball dome home
in the world.  I have letters to prove it. I have statements that the
BFI approves of the dome becoming what it should be.  The
example that the first world man, or average person out to help
all humanity can start in a humble hick town in no where and make
the world turn its head and listen to the truth about how to make
it work right.  Jesus and Buddha, Allah, and other the other great
profits said be good and tell the truth , but none of them could
tell you how to plan and design the whole earth to make all humans
live in heaven here on earth, in this respect the dome is the manger
that allowed the ideas to originate.  Roam home to a dome, My
home that is the real place of birth of these ideas in the time they
occurred.  You can call me names and my ideas bs, but at least
they are mine, I do not see you doing any better at all.  My ideas
are extensions of bucky's in a real sense. How do I know.
I sit in front of him for 16 years and spent more time with
him than you, Jay, I will put that to most anyone in fact, except
Jamie and of course his lovely daughter and the one the deserves
the most credit for holding out and letting people like you run
the archives.  You would put a Mc Donald's in the middle of it.
You and people like you would take the freedom of the average
person away from seeing the truth.  Keep it for yourself and be
king of info. I am so glad that the family runs it, why, they knew
what Bucky wanted to do with it. They knew him best it is
right they should.  You only know how to fight, that is your forte.
You will learn by your mistakes and some day I will respect you for
it.  Until then I personally will not speak for others as you do.
I will hate you for what you are. A selfish pip squeak.
Someone sent me a sign off acting like it was me, just as the other
individual stated about Contra Bucky, TO THAT SITE THAT
ALLOW THE NAME OF THE PERSON SENDING IT TO
NOT BE ON RECORD THIS IS ALSO PRECESSION
THAT In my mind looks like it could have originated from you.
Who else.  Joe smo, he makes the internet sing with bucky,
thank god for Joe. My site is tops on the Excite Web Search for
bucky but I would rather it be Joe, the average person can
explore with ease and self articulation, the BFI site is getting
better as well, The thinking out loud film was terrible.
It would have been better it you did it. That is the best
I can say for your thinking, as far as you alone, I see nothing
wrong with mistakes as long as they are tending to subside.
Good luck!  If others do not like to see our disputes
delete them when on screen, this is your freedom of
design, take it if you need need that much freedom.
The worst you can say about me as bucky
taught me to see, I took drugs and i lied
and was sneaking around with them and
my life, I was lost.  I learned to tell the truth
and to stop taking drugs because they made
you lie about everything.  Iwas a doped up
liar, I quit and I am so glad.
I am an honest red neck beer drinker
now and a glass of wine when I am with
friends.  I stole every book of Fuller's from
the library in SIU in 1965 and I told Bucky and
took them all back.  I stole the first plan of the
world game and took it back from the office.
I said I was sorry, and he stated if you really
are you should be forgiven.  He also stated this
to Ezra Pound latter in Italy. I wrote him a letter
stating all that I had done, it is in the archives.
He stated to me you will always be glad you
wrote that letter. If you apologize for all you have done
to everyone on both lists and to Allegra.
You will feel what it is like to feel real precession.
The unitivity type, that you know you are one with
god, universe and all the moving parts of life, not
separated by lies.  This is the most important part of
my learning that if you tell the truth the universe will
love you, if you lie it will make you the most unhappy
person on earth. This is what the simple truth can or
can not do, this is the most obvious of all design science
to tell the truth. It is not taught in any school, this is how
backwards humanity is. Malthus, Darwin, economics is
hide the truth and beat the other guy or kill him if
this does not work, like the Mexicans were killed
by the spanish or the indians were by the cowboys,
it goes on for ever.  When will we ever learn?
Enough Already, this is not a soap box that people should
feel like they are cheating others to use. they help others to
do it. Please participate you others more and the isolation
of this new tool will explode. Help make Fullers integrity
grow it is the only chance in my mind to make the world
a success for all humanity or any one person on earth. For
sure in our life. time.  Soon if one person will be unhappy
that one person with the technology will be able to kill the
world.  We must make the world work for every single
person that is born to come. This is the real war.
The internet and giving money to causes like the world
game and bfi and giving me money for the park will do this
for I will spend every cent towards making the world work
from my point of view.

http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html

Kirby Urner wrote:

> Hey little guy, I haven't made it hard for you to post
> to Synergetics-L.  You subscribed when you chose to and
> have been here ever since, posting whatever and whenever
> you like.
>
> Forgive me if I take the same liberties myself, but I
> don't institute a liberal set of guidelines just for
> your benefit and not for mine.  I have the same freedoms
> as you do.
>
> Your holding out how well you knew Bucky is quite pathetic.
> Likely his greatest students are as yet unborn.  I am
> just one player among many.  I'm got my strengths and
> weaknesses, like anyone.  One of my weaknesses as I allow
> myself to respond to your utter crap from time to time.
>
> I know Joe Moore, have met him in person, have had private
> email exchanges with the guy, and believe it or not it's
> OK for me to register surprise.  I'm not telling him he's
> wrong or bad -- just saying I'm surprised, that's all.
> Very simple.  You make a big doo doo out of it.
>
> You really do seem extremely jealous of your relationship
> with Bucky and want our adulation based on that friendship.
> As far as I'm concerned, you haven't earned our respect
> and leaning on Bucky the way you do is sad.  I don't know
> why you say I hide behind Ed, as I simply reposted something
> he sent to the list, with my thanks.  Many people have the
> same opinion. You have really made a gigantic fool of
> yourself, is my reading.
>
> Joe Moore subscribes here as well and knows I've always
> respected his scholarship and best efforts, any disagreements
> aside.
>
> You, on the other hand, I do not respect at all.  You're a
> greedy parasite, a sell out, milking your supposed friendship
> with Bucky for all it's worth financially, dangling the dome
> in front of the family and making them jump through your hoops.
> Anytime someone has an honest disagreement with you about the
> value of your silly albatross plywood fabrication in Carbondale,
> you go through the roof, calling Jay Baldwin "Hitler" for
> example.  That's just your gut talking -- you want your 100K
> bucks and no one had better stand in your way.
>
> Then, when you're worried about how you're coming across (I'd
> certainly worry, if I were you), you coat your posts in a lot
> of lovey dovey "we love you, we forgive you" sycophantic suck-
> up language.  Sugar coated shit, is your trademarked product.
>
> I'm frankly quite disgusted.  But it's your own grave you've
> made for yourself.  Sounds like you're quite happy with it.
> Rest in peace then.  I have no real desire to continue this
> conversation, which is highly repetitive and gets us nowhere.
>
> I apologize to this list for indulging in another round with
> this guy.  I've made my position absolutely clear and this
> really doesn't add anything.  In future, I'll simply post
> the URL for this one, if anyone ever asks me what I think
> of MSM and his "unitivity" bullshit, which has nothing to
> do with synergetics and is a discredit to Bucky.  MSM was
> one of Fuller's worst students, that much is crystal clear.
>
> Kirby
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Subject:      Re: [synergetics-l] Re: Enough already...

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      04-APR-1999 18:18
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 3 things stood out from your endless train of antimatter, although
 I probably missed some other thing(s) of marginal interest,
 Captain Mitchell: a)
 the dang-near unbelievable "statistic" that your site is Numero Uno,
 re Bucky (butt, then, such raw statistics can be big white lie,
 meaning very far off but quite harmless); b)
 you stole every Bucky book in your local Universe, and
 returned it to the author -- good attention-getter, proving that
 drugs really *can* be of occaissional pyschic come-uppance; c)
 unitivity is comprehended by exactly one dude, for ever --
 til further development(s) (a-hem,
 such as the death of ye olde paradigme, meaning its artist-scientist
 (singular, herein !-))

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      04-APR-1999 19:04
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

  Who is Milosevic?
    Since1991, Serb dictator Slobodan Milosevic has had a green light
 for his bloody "Greater Serbia" adventure -- in Coratia, Bosnia, and
 Kosova.  As EIR has pointed out repeatedly, the force behind Milosevic
 is not Russia, as superficial media analysis about the pan-Slavic,
 pan-Orthodox "brotherhood" keeps repeating.  Milosevic started his career
 as a pro-IMF banking manager, and he was an "economic liberal,"
 in the sense that he favored the usurious policies coming from the West.
 Milosevic enjoyed a close relatioship with the gang of Henry K.and
 Lawrence E., nd the most effective support for Greater Serbia,
 for examplt in Bosnia, came from intelligence officials
 of the British or French armies, who were sometimes labelled "traitors," but,
 according to experts, they were "deployed into a complex operation."
    Milosevic could have been stopped ,uch, much earlier.
 His supposed invulnerability, the image projected by the Western media
 of the Serb evil superman challenging the wrld, was a pathetic fraud.
 Milosevic was protected exactly because he was themost efficient provacateur
 on the market.  For example, few doubt that
 the British officials who made sure that Milosevic could carry
 out his ethnic cleansing, had not fallen in love with the idea
 of a Greater Serbia; they were just preparing th conditions so that
 the "experiment" could take place.
    With Kosova, the the experiment had reached the critical new point.
 The "new NATO (see article which follows), which was prepared
 also starting in 1991, suddenly discovered its "humanitarian" vocation.
 The problem of stopping Milosevic became the ket issue.  Brit.PM
 Tinny Blare became the most impassioned spokesman
 of the "humanitarian" line.  His hysterical appeals ("Britain does not end
 at the Channel") to "fight oppression," to "stop the massacre,"
 were braodcast while he was pusing for the deployment in Kosova
 of Gen.Sir Michael Jackson and hsi Rapid Reaction Corps.  What
 the flaming "humanitarian" Blare forgot to say, is that
 Sir Jackson was one of the butchers of the 1972 "Bloody Sunday"
 in Derry, N.Ireleand, and a specialist in intelligence warfare --
 including deployment of "gangs" and "countergangs"
 to fuel confrontation.

 Rambouillet's military annexes

 --nasty VPs of history!
 http://www.laroucehpub.com
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Subject:      Refugee Tiger Team

MESSAGE from ="List 04-APR-1999 17:40
 Kirby how about forming a
 Shelter Tiger Team?

 1.) Get assesments from dome builders
 who frequent this message list for starters.

 a.) Are their air deliverable units on the
 market now?

  b.) If not air deliverable now then witch company
  if any can best accomadate the quickest deployment.


 2.) Construction bids etc for 1,000 to 10,000 units.

 a.) Also include transport costs.

 b.) Unit delivery times etc.

 c.) Include costs for integrating heating/cooling.

 3.) Can a package be put together
 including other resources, food, blankets?

 4.) How long would these units be needed?

 a.) Maintenence?

 b.) Refugee involvement for on site construction and
 or set up?
- - - - -

<<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      04-APR-1999 19:08
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 great, now send it to the proper, national (nationalist) authority,
 not some oligarch-allied NGO creepshow; thank you!
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Here's something I posted earlier today to a Quaker listserv.  Lots
of interest in Bucky Fuller's philosophy developing among the Friends,
judging from emails coming back.  Probably I should do more of my
sharing re Fuller's legacy in this more receptive forum, leaving
GEODESIC to those with more relevant concerns.  If I hear anything
newsworthy re domes (that would include domes for refugees, wherever),
I'll be sure to share it here.

Ciao for now,
Kirby
(unsubscribing)

PS:  Brian, I'll keep you informed too, by private email, from
time to time -- pass anything back to your colleagues.

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Date:         Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:08:33 -0700
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From: Kirby Urner <pdx4d@TELEPORT.COM>
Subject:      [Q-P] Military Orwellianism
To: QUAKER-P@yang.earlham.edu

>Military Keynesianism was a problem a long time ago, but it has nothing to
>do with current U.S. military adventurism.
>
>Bill Samuel, Landover Hills, MD, USA, wsamuel@cpcug.org

I'd disagree with Bill here and suggest that Ju-chang is the more
astute analyst when it comes to the USA economy.

The new orders for military equipment and the non-appearance of
any peace dividend post the Cold War proves that the prime contractor
irrigation system (military Keynesianism) is still lawyer-capitalism's
best answer as to how to pump the economy using government spending.

Even though the USA is $5 trillion in debt (the annual surplus a mere
drop in the bucket), it continues its profligate spending on killingry,
and pushes very hard to get governments and military gangs (those
legitimized by DC) to purchase large orders of same.

In order to justify such a course, the USA needs to prove that its
arsenal is an instrument of foreign policy and a vital asset on
the world stage.  This means bringing situations to a boiling point
in critical areas where these weapons can be used.

The idea is to keep the Russians compliant using loans as leverage,
and to keep hatred and suspicion of the Chinese at a low boil,
while meanwhile using lots of cruise missiles and bombers on TV,
making the case to USA viewers that big military budgets are the
way to go for the foreseeable future.

In this sense, the picture has become entirely Orwellian, as the
hype for military solutions feeds a mindset which sees an endless
need for interventions of the military kind.  Both political parties
now push the same agenda, with the Democrats merely shaving a few
percentage points off the Republican proposals.  The driving engine
of jobs jobs jobs in congressional districts where military
contracting and basing continues is as powerful as ever, roaring
ahead at full throttle, even though the configuration has changed
(more high tech, less ground troop garrisons).

The USA is a highly militarized society, verging on a police state
internally, with more of its population incarcerated (percentage
wise) than just about any advanced economy's.  As Peter Saint James
pointed out, corporate control is pretty much complete.  As Medal
of Freedom R. Buckminster Fuller wrote in 'Grunch of Giants': "the
USA we have known is now bankrupt and extinct."  The DCers are by
this time mere puppets of the supranationals, and a side show
used to keep the compliant and easily hoodwinked USAers believing
they still have an intact democracy.

One question is whether China will have the power to interrupt
this vicious circle of self-fulfilling Orwellianism (I prefer
that term to "military Keynesianism") or will be forced to play
the game as well, bolstering its side in various hot spots
around the world, guarenteeing an endless need for new hardware
and military-minded men and women.  Russia tried to step off the
merry-go-round and is making a tough go of putting the brakes
on unbridled militarism, but so far the USA has refused to follow
suit and its liberalism is starting to embrace the "last/only
superpower" ethos, girding itself to moralize about why these
endless wars are necessary -- as usual, the middle class has
little choice but to ape the corporate party line.

I still think there's a chance of changing the USA's Orwellian
course.  My angle is to expose the weakness of the curriculum
to students, so they'll learn to question the authority of grade
school teachers early in life -- something with a "trickle up"
effect.  The math/science curriculum is especially in a shambles
and exposing incompetence and/or willful misdirection is easiest
in these departments.

As children and younger people awaken to the fact that the adults
around them are planning a very ugly and militarized future for
them, they may opt out.  But then, this is always the hope.  It
usually turns out that we save only barely enough souls to keep
from destroying the planet altogether, and then the next cycle
begins.

One wonders if God needs high drama and suspense just to stay
amused, or whether our planet is rather in the hands of a devil,
Christ Jesus being one who worked galliantly to save us from
ourselves (many say we're already saved, but if that's true, why
do we make this such a hell hole I wonder?).

Kirby
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>MESSAGE from ="List 04-APR-1999 17:40
> Kirby how about forming a
> Shelter Tiger Team?
>
> 1.) Get assesments from dome builders
> who frequent this message list for starters.
>
> a.) Are their air deliverable units on the
> market now?
>
>  b.) If not air deliverable now then witch company
>  if any can best accomadate the quickest deployment.
>
>
> 2.) Construction bids etc for 1,000 to 10,000 units.
>
> a.) Also include transport costs.
>
> b.) Unit delivery times etc.
>
> c.) Include costs for integrating heating/cooling.
>
> 3.) Can a package be put together
> including other resources, food, blankets?
>
> 4.) How long would these units be needed?
>
> a.) Maintenence?
>
> b.) Refugee involvement for on site construction and
> or set up?
>- - - - -
>
><<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings
04-APR-1999 19:08
>                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
> great, now send it to the proper, national (nationalist)
authority,
> not some oligarch-allied NGO creepshow; thank you!
>

Well I just thought I'd give it a shot Brian.
If I had my way everyone would be invited to
participate, somehow. Television, internet.
Whatever.
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      04-APR-1999 23:59
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 Kirby, what a wuss; pretty convenient for you to blow the scene,
 as soon as your geopolitical lovin'of the breeteesh umpire is questioned;
 I guess you knew, I'd follow-up, two, alas!
    to portray the problem as (USA) Keynesian Militarist Orwellianism,
 is to almost put a proper Anglo-American slant on it, excpet that
 the US is clearly your Bogeyman.  this is the horrid "geopolotics"
 that is being plotted by the Zbiggys and Henrys of nightly news,
 as weirdly geriatric homicidal nutcases, treated as statesmen
 (both of these of dystinct British backing, naturally, but
 I hope, it's not just a matter of being *scared* of them.
    unfortunately, Keynes was the problem, or part of it,
 not the *dirigiste* solution.  you seem to fail to give up one inch,
 on the dictatorship of the IMF userors,
 now being enforced by the "new NATO" post-Gulfwar self-sovereignity
 (that is, in service to the "globalized" empire or BAC
 (British-American-Commenwealth), as promulgated since'91, and
 to be vetted this month (I was just reading about this,
 in some detail, in the latest *EIR* (800/453-4108).

 but why am I arguing?
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      05-APR-1999  0:21
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 if this geopolitical pap is really what the Friends are seeing,
 it seems rather hoepless (were it to be, so .-)
    as for your critique of the math/science curriculunm,
 your wholesale condemnation rests upon a rather meager set
 of uncoveries -- as great as a few of them were.  as it is,
 a lot of this stuff is to be found in the exercises.  true,
 it probably lacks classically crucial experiments,
 such as compass-constructions -- yours & theirs?

 the fact is that we are leading an insane wardrive, or
 rather Britain is "trimtabbing" it,
 designed to destroy our relationship with Russia, China,
 the Mideast.

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net
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It makes sense that the US
would be taking it's cues more so
from the IMF, It seems that the IMF
is more like what Wall Street used to
be. (Or at least what people believe it to be)
The Stock market is so damn precious
these days and fragile. We're living on the
 margins. So when and who is going to
call the margins? Tune in next week kids
for the next episode of "International Money
Juggling".

Tee shirts and caps sold in the lobby.

Now the new "Thing" is that the refugee's need not
wonder to far because they'll be going home soon.
Yea right, NATO is going to turn a good portion
of Kosovo into a kill zone.

So how much is Yugoslavia in debt? And does this
mean we're going to bomb Japan again?
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MESSAGE from =urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU 04-APR-1999 23:18
 Here's something I posted earlier today to a Quaker listserv.  Lots
 of interest in Bucky Fuller's philosophy developing among the Friends,
 judging from emails coming back.  Probably I should do more of my
 sharing re Fuller's legacy in this more receptive forum, leaving
 GEODESIC to those with more relevant concerns.  If I hear anything
 newsworthy re domes (that would include domes for refugees, wherever),
 I'll be sure to share it here.

 Ciao for now,
 Kirby
 (unsubscribing)

 PS:  Brian, I'll keep you informed too, by private email, from
 time to time -- pass anything back to your colleagues.

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 Date:         Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:08:33 -0700
 Sender: Quaker-P List <quaker-p@earlham.edu>
 From: Kirby Urner <pdx4d@TELEPORT.COM>
 Subject:      [Q-P] Military Orwellianism
 To: QUAKER-P@yang.earlham.edu

 >Military Keynesianism was a problem a long time ago, but it has nothing to
 >do with current U.S. military adventurism.
 >
 >Bill Samuel, Landover Hills, MD, USA, wsamuel@cpcug.org

 I'd disagree with Bill here and suggest that Ju-chang is the more
 astute analyst when it comes to the USA economy.

 The new orders for military equipment and the non-appearance of
 any peace dividend post the Cold War proves that the prime contractor
 irrigation system (military Keynesianism) is still lawyer-capitalism's
 best answer as to how to pump the economy using government spending.

 Even though the USA is $5 trillion in debt (the annual surplus a mere
 drop in the bucket), it continues its profligate spending on killingry,
 and pushes very hard to get governments and military gangs (those
 legitimized by DC) to purchase large orders of same.

 In order to justify such a course, the USA needs to prove that its
 arsenal is an instrument of foreign policy and a vital asset on
 the world stage.  This means bringing situations to a boiling point
 in critical areas where these weapons can be used.

 The idea is to keep the Russians compliant using loans as leverage,
 and to keep hatred and suspicion of the Chinese at a low boil,
 while meanwhile using lots of cruise missiles and bombers on TV,
 making the case to USA viewers that big military budgets are the
 way to go for the foreseeable future.

 In this sense, the picture has become entirely Orwellian, as the
 hype for military solutions feeds a mindset which sees an endless
 need for interventions of the military kind.  Both political parties
 now push the same agenda, with the Democrats merely shaving a few
 percentage points off the Republican proposals.  The driving engine
 of jobs jobs jobs in congressional districts where military
 contracting and basing continues is as powerful as ever, roaring
 ahead at full throttle, even though the configuration has changed
 (more high tech, less ground troop garrisons).

 The USA is a highly militarized society, verging on a police state
 internally, with more of its population incarcerated (percentage
 wise) than just about any advanced economy's.  As Peter Saint James
 pointed out, corporate control is pretty much complete.  As Medal
 of Freedom R. Buckminster Fuller wrote in 'Grunch of Giants': "the
 USA we have known is now bankrupt and extinct."  The DCers are by
 this time mere puppets of the supranationals, and a side show
 used to keep the compliant and easily hoodwinked USAers believing
 they still have an intact democracy.

 One question is whether China will have the power to interrupt
 this vicious circle of self-fulfilling Orwellianism (I prefer
 that term to "military Keynesianism") or will be forced to play
 the game as well, bolstering its side in various hot spots
 around the world, guarenteeing an endless need for new hardware
 and military-minded men and women.  Russia tried to step off the
 merry-go-round and is making a tough go of putting the brakes
 on unbridled militarism, but so far the USA has refused to follow
 suit and its liberalism is starting to embrace the "last/only
 superpower" ethos, girding itself to moralize about why these
 endless wars are necessary -- as usual, the middle class has
 little choice but to ape the corporate party line.

 I still think there's a chance of changing the USA's Orwellian
 course.  My angle is to expose the weakness of the curriculum
 to students, so they'll learn to question the authority of grade
 school teachers early in life -- something with a "trickle up"
 effect.  The math/science curriculum is especially in a shambles
 and exposing incompetence and/or willful misdirection is easiest
 in these departments.

 As children and younger people awaken to the fact that the adults
 around them are planning a very ugly and militarized future for
 them, they may opt out.  But then, this is always the hope.  It
 usually turns out that we save only barely enough souls to keep
 from destroying the planet altogether, and then the next cycle
 begins.

 One wonders if God needs high drama and suspense just to stay
 amused, or whether our planet is rather in the hands of a devil,
 Christ Jesus being one who worked galliantly to save us from
 ourselves (many say we're already saved, but if that's true, why
 do we make this such a hell hole I wonder?).

 Kirby
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<<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      05-APR-1999 11:48
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 what ever you say, is so!
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>> a.) Are their air deliverable units on the
>> market now?

I remember seeing air deployable tension domes in Popular Science
back in the 70s or early 80s.  From a guy that did designs for Arabian
dignitaries and their families.  They were designed specifically for
deployment in war torn countries.

They looked a lot like big versions of the geodesic camping tents.

Why couldn't something like that be air dropped in...and then sprayed
with gunnite, ala Monolithic Domes, to make it permanent.

I wonder if we could get some tent manufacturers to donate their
products, to this end?  Tent cities are very cost effective...and if
they could be made permanent...

>> a.) Also include transport costs.

There are facilities to transport this type of thing.  (Uh oh, religion)
The 700 Club and the Trinity Broadcasting Network both send
supplies to refugees by the cargo plane full...they have the facilities,
so why not use *it?*

>> b.) Refugee involvement for on site construction and
>> or set up?

Those tents are pretty darned easy to erect...let the refugees
put them up themselves!

     - -Chuck Knight
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      05-APR-1999 12:41
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 >sorry, if that was a repeat, but Kirby@woodroW is the only one
 >on th list, apparently, that doesn't *come* from the list.
 >       I was just so dysgusted with the weird "geopolitical" flavor
 >to what the Friends were apparently up to, and shocked that
 >I could not deal with it, directly, after just having read
 >a feature-length article on the Fabian geopolitical hoaxsters,
 >such as Halford Mackinder's "geographical epiphenomena" as a cover
 >for Edward 7's instigation of WW1, not really a script -- fascinating,
 >at the least!  just see the last issue (none on Easter week)
 >of The New Federalist, "The Shape of Things to Come", and
 an issue of a couple of years back for "E7, the Evil Demi-urge of WW2".
    I'm not saying that what the Friends are doing is not potentially
 valuable.  Kirby made a great "save" of his role for PHEEMA e.g.,
 by having it place refugees in "virtually bombed-out" office-buildings
 -- I can just see Wall Street and "the City" of London,
 becoming great, humanitarian havens, over the undead bodies
 of QE2 and His Goreyness and/or Bushiness!...  however,
 as he knows & has not commented upon, PHEEMA is tributary
 to El Phed, as constituted by PVolcker "under" Carter;
 it is part of the "management of crisis" and not constitutional.
    the problem with the Empire, and its toadies like Gore and Bush,
 is that it's hidden itself, since the mid-'80s, officially;
 most of its power & media-domination stem from this very hiding;
 dug?...  in any case, make no mistake,
 the "new NATO" on its 50th anniversary, this April, is intended
 to be its creature, against designated "rogue states",
 who dare to challenge the IMF et al UN agencies -- remembering that
 the Commonwealth countries are a huge voting block at the UN,
 thus controlling day-to-day legislative matters, for the most part --
 or against (say) "Islamic" terrorism that happens to be safe-housed
 in London (in the words of Lawd Avebury, "one man's terrorist
 is another man's freedom-fighter" -- as long as they don't harm
 any Subjects o'da Queen; these are mostly their publishing & fund-
 rasing operations).
    NATO was actually supposed to have died, by now, but
 Kirby and Co. are just going to comandeer it, to plant some domes!

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      05-APR-1999 13:17
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 I can't see what bearing Bucky's Medal of Freedom has
 on *any* thing, since we have no clue as to *why* Reagan gave it
 to him.  I doubt that it has anything to do
 with any republican tradition that it's associated to, since
 Bucky was worse-htan-naive on such ideas;
 he was blissfully ignorant, which allowed him to entertain
 amongst his Brahmin society, friends and supporters.  it's clear
 as a bell, from Aunt Margaret's flaming Transcendentalist associations,
 that they left a very shallow, but wide imprint on his forehead!
    Orwell was a Policeman for the Raj in Burma.  none
 of his work has much bearing on *avoiding* "1984", because
 Orwellians have no sense of republican culture,
 which is not mainstream American culture, at the moment!
    Keynes monetarism was a warmed-over attempt
 to put "American System" or dirigist methods into an emprical box,
 namely a central banking system, such as Woodrow Wilson's Phed,
 which is unconstitutional; it is a private bankers club,
 not a U.S.Bank for the emission of low-interest credit
 for national projects, industry, agriculture & so on.
 Keynes thesis, out of school, was actually published,
 in a journal in post-Weimar Germany, if y'know what i mean.
    that is where Kirby's problem with the IMF arises, although
 he generally replaces their acronym with "USA" and
 its supposedly organic imperialism; he *likes* it too much.

 --The Duke of Oil!
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      05-APR-1999 13:41
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 correction: in saying that analtivity (ne unitivity) was grokked
 by "exactly one" hominid, I must have implied that
 it was understood by at *least* one;
 I really, devoutly did not mean to imply such a thing, since
 it sure as Hell ain't me!
    also, I didn't mean to defecate any of my relatives
 or precursors in any tress, any where.

 --The Duke of Oil!
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Thanks Charles,
As it looks now some 1 million people
may become displaced that's at least
100, 000 shelters. Some 100,000 refugees
will be taken in by Europeans. And some 20,000
 to the US and Canada.
The tent/ monolithic idea sounds appealing in that
it would create a more permanent shelter.

Another more sophisticated proposal might be
a complete set up shelter with water purification etc.
so the refugee camps don't suffer
the usual problem of the spreading of disease.

The latest stuff about donations is that the powers that
be would like people to donate money in lew of stuff
from their garages.

I don't think the refugees would really have a problem
with pitching in to do any labor that might be needed
it's that with travelling the distances some of them had to
travel and the violent uprooting of them that occured,
they may be physically and emotionally exhausted for awhile.
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I'd also like to note that the time
and materials to create the dome shelters
need not be without compensation. If NATO
gets involved it comes out of our pockets in taxes
and if Hughs Missile Systems can get paid
to kill people I don't think it's wrong for some
dome suppliers to get paid to keep people
alive.
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If anyone is interested, the stats for my website can be viewed at:
http://w101.hitbox.com/Stats?hb=W34903035542

Joe S Moore
mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
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Woah, this response made me smile in a guilty sort of way (we build the
panels without using the hub and strut system).  It should be known that
the hub and strut dome system will get you a fine dome, it just usually
costs a little more (in the long run) than the panelized dome system.
Our website is http://www.domes.com

Now that I've done my dome industry good deed for the day, can I go
home?

Mark Somers wrote:
>
> Mark I've got one link to
> a dome manufacturer here.
> http://www.domehome.com/welcome.html
>
> but recently I've found on this list
> that the hub type construction used
> by Timberline is an inferior method
> of construction.
>
> I'l try to find the other links I have
> for manufacturers who use the non hub
> method.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Siegmund <siegmund@THEGRID.NET>
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> <GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:34 AM
> Subject: Dome Homes?
>
> >Does anyone on this list have links or references (url's)
> to dome home
> >builders, manufacturers?
> >
> >thanks,
> >mark
> >--
> >Regards,
> >Mark Siegmund
> >email:  siegmund@thegrid.net
> >Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game
> >Introductory Page:
> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world.html
> >Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html
> >The Tetworld Story:
> >http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm
> >Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game
> article)
> >http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html
> >To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about
> the world game
> >concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or
> the Belize
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> >

--
Thanks,

Nathan Burke,
Oregon Dome, Inc.

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From:         Charles J Knight <c.knight@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Tiger Team

>As it looks now some 1 million people
>may become displaced that's at least

Yikes, that's a LOT of new construction.  It's going to take a lot of
effort
to house all those people...not to mention a lot of money.

This is probably why "tent cities" are so popular for this type of
application.
They're temporary...just where and when they're needed...and they don't
ruin the land in the process.  They're pretty cheap too.

Come to think of it, why would someone want to relocate "permanently"
into a refugee camp?  (granted, it could be arranged to make nice
neighborhoods, etc, but they usually aren't)

>The tent/ monolithic idea sounds appealing in that
>it would create a more permanent shelter.

But...where to put this permanent structure?

>Another more sophisticated proposal might be
>a complete set up shelter with water purification etc.
>so the refugee camps don't suffer
>the usual problem of the spreading of disease.

Well, step one is to get them out of the elements, and provide
some basic human desires, esp. privacy.  Domes and/or tension
tents would supply this part very efficiently.

Step two is to provide an infrastructure...water purification, etc,
which could easily be communal.  That would be a single "unit"
brought in to service a neighborhood...same for toilet facilities,
let's face it.  A porta-potty (chemical toilet) could suffice...2 or
3 of them could probably service a small "neighborhood" in an
emergency situation.  Minimal environmental impact.

>The latest stuff about donations is that the powers that
>be would like people to donate money in lew of stuff
>from their garages.

Well, if a manufacturer donated 10,000 big tent units, I doubt
they'd turn them down.

Similarly, a communal dome or tensile pavillion would be cheap
and easy to erect.  Again, the monolithic stuff can use local concrete
and labor...and build a huge structure capable of servicing a LOT
of refugees.

Check out http://www.monolithicdome.com for the basic info on
their process.  (inflating a balloon is pretty easy!!!)  It can be
applied to pneumatically inflated membranes *or* tensile membrane
structures!!!

     -- Chuck Knight
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No Nathan you can't go home yet.
:)
Charles brought up a good point about a
communal shelter. From what I've seen
on the news a few hosipitals are needed now, as well
as center too organize.

The stay could be longer than temporary.
I'm thinking about a year, if not longer. In some
cases I'm betting that some if not the majority
of young Albanians might not at all be interested
in returning espicially after what they've just gone
through.

To me it sounds like the Serbs are hunkering
down for a long war. The Albanian refugees
are/were the majority population. That's why
the high numbers of them.

Charles, a donation of some thousands of tents
would more than likely be excepted. I think the
people involved in transportation just don't want
some of the junk that was being donated during
the Honduras emergency. But even then they were
having problems with delivering bottled water
that was being donated.

People chipping in and purchasing an onsite water
purification system would seem to make more
sense than buying gallon jugs of water and donating
 them. The cost of transport alone would be greater
than the cost of the water to begin with.

I noticed your concern with environmental impact
Charles I agree that done correctly there should be
little impact.
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Hi,

I just received this message, and thought it might interest list-members.
It reminds me of Fuller's idea of giving people grants to go away and think
rather than earn a conventional living. (I haven't had time to visit the
site myself yet, but why wait for me?)


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OPINION: starting today, trAce will feature personal views of the internet
by writers at the forefront of the debate. Every month there will be a new
article and a chance for you to respond and join the discussion.

Kicking off is Australian author Dale Spender, who believes everyone should
be given a computer free of charge. She says:

"The raw material of today's global community is intellectuality and
creativity, which is why everyone needs a computer, an ISP, a national
information infrastructure, and a support system. The government who buys
every member of society a computer is sure to get a great deal, and an
excellent customer service agreement. Not to mention a head start in the
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I've gotten my train to move
but alas just this little animation
is a pretty big file.

It's 303K, so it'll take awhile.

http://209.185.180.230/~Mark_Somers/trainanima3.gif

This train thing is fun but very time consuming.
And I only have 15 days to use the Giff animation
program, before it expires. It's Ulead.

To make this work on a television screen what
format does it need to be in? Or exportable to
TV I guess is what I mean.
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MESSAGE from ="List 05-APR-1999 15:31
 <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      05-APR-1999 13:17
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  I can't see what bearing Bucky's Medal of Freedom has
  on *any* thing, since we have no clue as to *why* Reagan gave it
  to him.  I doubt that it has anything to do
  with any republican tradition that it's associated to, since
  Bucky was worse-htan-naive on such ideas;
  he was blissfully ignorant, which allowed him to entertain
  amongst his Brahmin society, friends and supporters.  it's clear
  as a bell, from Aunt Margaret's flaming Transcendentalist associations,
  that they left a very shallow, but wide imprint on his forehead!
     Orwell was a Policeman for the Raj in Burma.  none
  of his work has much bearing on *avoiding* "1984", because
  Orwellians have no sense of republican culture,
  which is not mainstream American culture, at the moment!
     Keynes monetarism was a warmed-over attempt
  to put "American System" or dirigist methods into an emprical box,
  namely a central banking system, such as Woodrow Wilson's Phed,
  which is unconstitutional; it is a private bankers club,
  not a U.S.Bank for the emission of low-interest credit
  for national projects, industry, agriculture & so on.
  Keynes thesis, out of school, was actually published,
  in a journal in post-Weimar Germany, if y'know what i mean.
     that is where Kirby's problem with the IMF arises, although
  he generally replaces their acronym with "USA" and
  its supposedly organic imperialism; he *likes* it too much.

  --The Duke of Oil!
  http://www.tarpley.net
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<<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      06-APR-1999 16:49
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 the primary difference between the outlooks
 of Orwell and Keynes, as contemporaries, is that
 one is a Lord of the Realm, the other a Subject;
 there are no Citizens in the Commonwealth --
 whe's holding that, two, in trust for them!

 --The End Was Nigh!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm
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Duen,

Education Automation is available at the BFI site (http://www.bfi.org); see:
http://209.196.135.250/education_automation.htm

Joe S Moore
mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 3:14 PM
> To: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Subject: Education Automation essay
>
> Hi!
>
> Would you happen to know if Fuller's essay "Education Automation" appears
> anywhere on the web? It is reprinted in his book R. Buckminster Fuller on
> Education, but I would like an html formatted version.
>
> Aloha!
>
> Duen
>
>
>
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>Charles brought up a good point about a
>communal shelter. From what I've seen
>on the news a few hosipitals are needed now, as well
>as center too organize.

Big structures can be put to almost any use...we should look
to solutions having that level of flexibility.  A hospital is one
good use...so is a warehouse for food/clothing/whatever that
is donated.  However they want to use them, large structures
are a necessity to setting up a workable community for these
people.

>The stay could be longer than temporary.
>I'm thinking about a year, if not longer. In some

>I noticed your concern with environmental impact
>Charles I agree that done correctly there should be
>little impact.

I don't know where these refugees are living.  Is it a designated
"permanent" refugee camp, or is it an area that was seized and
put to use?

If it's public land, I assume that its destruction would be distasteful.

Imagine America's reaction, if 100,000 refugees were housed in
tent cities, at YellowStone!  High population concentrations cause
damage...

Alternately, if it's not public land, it must be private.  I can picture
my family's farm holding 1000 refugees, as they ruin the orchard,
trample the grass, poison the fields with human waste and chemicals,
etc.  It's probably not on purpose, but...you get that many people
together in a small location, and nature *will* suffer.

Throw in some concrete work, and you've turned a farm into a
parking lot...practically forever.  Helping refugees should not
cause hardship to those who try to help.

     -- Chuck Knight
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Mark Somers wrote:

> Kirby how about forming a
> Shelter Tiger Team?
>
> 1.) Get assesments from dome builders
> who frequent this message list for starters.
>
> a.) Are their air deliverable units on the
> market now?
>
>  b.) If not air deliverable now then witch company
>  if any can best accomadate the quickest deployment.
>
> 2.) Construction bids etc for 1,000 to 10,000 units.
>
> a.) Also include transport costs.
>
> b.) Unit delivery times etc.
>
> c.) Include costs for integrating heating/cooling.
>
> 3.) Can a package be put together
> including other resources, food, blankets?
>
> 4.) How long would these units be needed?
>
> a.) Maintenence?
>
> b.) Refugee involvement for on site construction and
> or set up?

What about plywood dome shelters? Their quick to erect and can be done
by anyone. A couple of version only take 20 sheets of 8x4 plywood (cut
to 6x4) and approximately 41 bolts, nuts and lock washers.

They can be shipped flat and put up in a couple of hours...

Lawrence C.
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      08-APR-1999  3:51
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 oops.

  <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      06-APR-1999 17:17
                   r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

   correction: in the following, I meant, not "whe's",
   but "She's holding that, two, in trust for them!"

   thus saith:
    <<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      06-APR-1999 16:49
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     the primary difference between the outlooks
     of Orwell and Keynes, as contemporaries, is that
     one is a Lord of the Realm, the other a Subject;
     there are no Citizens in the Commonwealth --
     whe's holding that, two, in trust for them!

     --The End Was Nigh!
     http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm

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Brian it's really great that
you can read stuff that gives a glimpse of
the behind the scenes going ons as far
has who may or may not be pulling the
power strings and at times you've even
implied that Fuller really didn't know what
he was talking about. I think you miss the point
entirely. As Hugh Kenner has pointed out Fuller
made up very believable and rational scenarios
but mostly to keep the revelent points of his
hypothosis in an easily rememberable mythology.
Power is a tangible thing that changes hands
and Fuller's main point in that aspect was to pass
on the torch, so to speak to the populace at large; more
so probably that the torch of power be taken to the
populace, by means of understanding the main springs
of power; and that is technology. So although on La Rouches
pages there are technology oriented articles what's not
on La Rouches pages is that technology is the ultimate
 power. Which is obvious because that would suggest a
 higher power than La Roach. So clever guys come and go but
the
 power never wavers since the real power on Earth political
etc. is
technology. The real tree huggers are more powerful than any
politician because the real huggers of trees know the
 intricate and extraodinary technology called nature. A tree
will
tell you how to get to Mars or kill every Serbian. A tree
makes more of an
impact than the IMF, Hitler, blowjobs in the white house or
even
the models in Sports Illustrated's Swimsuit edition.
Althouth the swimsuit
models do come in a really nice close second.





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><<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings
08-APR-1999  3:51
>                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
> oops.
>
>  <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings
06-APR-1999 17:17
>                   r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>   correction: in the following, I meant, not "whe's",
>   but "She's holding that, two, in trust for them!"
>
>   thus saith:
>    <<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings
06-APR-1999 16:49
>                     r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>     the primary difference between the outlooks
>     of Orwell and Keynes, as contemporaries, is that
>     one is a Lord of the Realm, the other a Subject;
>     there are no Citizens in the Commonwealth --
>     whe's holding that, two, in trust for them!
>
>     --The End Was Nigh!
>     http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm
>
>  --RAA20886.923444247/pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us--
>
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The final installment of the series, includes patch patterns for the =
first five frequency geodesics for the tetrahedron, octahedron, and =
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Date:         Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:50:46 -0700
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The current list of the world's wealthiest people...

   Linkname: 1998 The World's Richest People
        URL: http://www.forbes.com/tool/toolbox/billnew/1998.asp

... seems to confirm (1) real wealth is information (2) the age of the
'great pirates' is ending.  Of the ten listed at the above URL...

#       Source of Wealth
5       Information (software, telecommunications, publishing)
3       Information and 'physical' resources (diversified)
2       'Physical' resources only (cement, oil, railroads)

It is significant to note that none - not one - of the above aquired their
wealth through arms trading or the use of arms, which was _the_ source of
weath through most of human history.

Killingry is out: livingry is in.  The Design Science Revolution is
succeeding.  Humanity will be a success in Universe.

- Trevor Blake

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Pamela,

The Buckminster Fuller Institute's new web address is:

http://www.bfi.org/


Joe S Moore
mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      08-APR-1999 14:35
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 dare to be naive, but don't stick your head where the sun don't shine.
    the directorates of their "multinational" (transworld) companies
 are interlocked (each one is on many boards of directors).
    there have been about 6-million killed
 in the Great lakes region of Africa, this past couple of years,
 at the behest of breeteesh marcherlords
 like Yoweri "the mustard seed" Museveni,
 trained at the prototypical breeteesh nihilist school,
 Dar Es Salaam.  not reported in your news; eh?
    in particular, the media-publishing stuff is over-run
 by the cronies of the IMF neolib/neocon drive for privatization,
 against the nation-state system.

 like Cap'n Mickey said,
 Bucky was a bit off of the wall -- an
 not just because it was perpendicular to the floor!

 thus quoth:
  It is significant to note that none - not one - of the above aquired their
  wealth through arms trading or the use of arms, which was _the_ source of
  weath through most of human history.

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      08-APR-1999 14:50
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 springtime for Hitler with blowjob?
    let me assert to you that the real corpus
 for our scientific work is not on the webpage;
 it is the 2 journals, *21st Century Science & Technology* and
 *Fidelio*; dug?
    the most tenacious element of Bucky's "speculative prehistory"
 is about the primacy of the water-peoples' in the development
 of science & technology, which is very similar to Lyn's.  after that,
 though, you may as well chuck it into the ashtray of story!
    the "mainstream" prehistory is the "riparian" story,
 which is a hoax that has been perpetrated by the Empire,
 for reasons that are not ineluctable.  oh, and today,
 we refer to it as the Commonwealth, with a little, Kipling tear
 on our cheek & a TR giggle in our eye;
 we are *still* the Great White Hunter.

 thus quoth:
  Power is a tangible thing that changes hands
  and Fuller's main point in that aspect was to pass
  on the torch, so to speak to the populace at large; more
  so probably that the torch of power be taken to the
  populace, by means of understanding the main springs

 loc.cit., http://www.larouchepub.com
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      08-APR-1999 14:54
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 oh, and there's a special Class of Person in the Commonwealth,
 between Common Subject and (old/new/honorary) Noble:
 The Beatles!

    <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      06-APR-1999 17:17
                     r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

     correction: in the following, I meant, not "whe's",
     but "She's holding that, two, in trust for them!"

     thus saith:
      <<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      06-APR-1999 16:49
                       r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

       the primary difference between the outlooks
       of Orwell and Keynes, as contemporaries, is that
       one is a Lord of the Realm, the other a Subject;
       there are no Citizens in the Commonwealth --
       whe's holding that, two, in trust for them!

       --The End Was Nigh!
       http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm
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Quote:

"let me assert to you that the real corpus
for our scientific work is not on the webpage;
it is the 2 journals, *21st Century Science & Technology*
and
*Fidelio*; dug?"


So then you're saying Brian, that the web page stuff
doesn't really reflect the philosophy of Le Rouche,
since what I refered to earlier contrasts drastically with
what is being published on his web site. That the crux of
all Fuller's philosophical excersizes is that technology is
 where the real power is ultimately, as in all the spooky
drug and world weapon stuff of centuries and minutes
gone by are really irelevent.


The internet at this moment is acting as a tool of
communication, enlightenment if you will, concerning
the war in Yugoslavia. Even propaganda once found
out to be propaganda is enlightenment.
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David Anderson wrote:

>  The final installment of the series, includes patch patterns for the
> first five frequency geodesics for the tetrahedron, octahedron, and
> icosahedron. They may be printed, cut out, folded, and taped into
> geodesic shells.     http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/folding3 Have
> fun! - Dave ( http://w3.one.net/~monkey )

Nice job Dave!

Lawrence C.
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      09-APR-1999  2:04
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 I'm not saying that, but you seemed to have typed it.
    we do not have this peculiar descartesian "2 cultures" problem
 that you seem to think that we have, or that you may have, or that
 Bucky had, as a dystinctively Brahnminoid protective mechanism
 -- Hahvahd, the 5th Generation!
    our website is an organizing tool, politically, and
 our journals are a part of our funding-base,
 with quite original works that are on a par
 with anything in the "mainstream", if not better, but
 you'd have to actually find a copy, to configure this for Cap'n Mitch.
    if you really want to know about classicalt science,
 "go" to Webster Tarpley's vitual book, _Against Oligarchy_,
 which is a series of speeches given at our national (NCLC) and
 international (ICLC) conferences.  in partoicular,
 look at "The Dead Hand of Science".

 thus quoth:
  So then you're saying Brian, that the web page stuff
  doesn't really reflect the philosophy of Le Rouche,
  since what I refered to earlier contrasts drastically with
  what is being published on his web site. That the crux of
  all Fuller's philosophical excersizes is that technology is
   where the real power is ultimately, as in all the spooky
  drug and world weapon stuff of centuries and minutes
  gone by are really irelevent.


  The internet at this moment is acting as a tool of
  communication, enlightenment if you will, concerning
  the war in Yugoslavia. Even propaganda once found
  out to be propaganda is enlightenment.

 wow, in deed.  *21C.Science and Tech.* was ne *Fusion*,
 til it was illegally shutdown (Chapter 13 bankruptcy, forced,
 later anulled as a "fraud upon the court") as means
 to stop the repayment of political loans for the campaign-cycle,
 thus creating the bare hook for an over-the-top prosecution
 of kafkaesque proportions.  same with 2 other publishing units!
    so, we no-longer take any loans, as a precaution.

 if you believe that you are axiomatically "apolitical",
 you may not be a part of the solution; dyg?

 --The End Was Nigh!
 http://www.tarpley.net
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Brian here's the whole message from where
I got the quote, so it's not something I just
typed up as you claim. And now you're saying that the
web site is a political tool? OK that's cool. So just to be
clear: Your philosophy is that the political arena is
where the power is, Right?

Brian, I didn't realize that the reality of Mr La Rouches
intelligents gathering was more to fight political foes
than to enlighten the populace.

To quote Shakespear: When one goes in search of
revenge one need dig two graves.


<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings
08-APR-1999 14:50
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

springtime for Hitler with blowjob?
    let me assert to you that the real corpus
for our scientific work is not on the webpage;
it is the 2 journals, *21st Century Science & Technology*
and
*Fidelio*; dug?
    the most tenacious element of Bucky's "speculative
prehistory"
is about the primacy of the water-peoples' in the
development
of science & technology, which is very similar to Lyn's.
after that,
though, you may as well chuck it into the ashtray of story!
    the "mainstream" prehistory is the "riparian" story,
which is a hoax that has been perpetrated by the Empire,
for reasons that are not ineluctable.  oh, and today,
we refer to it as the Commonwealth, with a little, Kipling
tear
on our cheek & a TR giggle in our eye;
we are *still* the Great White Hunter.

thus quoth:
  Power is a tangible thing that changes hands
  and Fuller's main point in that aspect was to pass
  on the torch, so to speak to the populace at large; more
  so probably that the torch of power be taken to the
  populace, by means of understanding the main springs

loc.cit., http://www.larouchepub.com
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Fantabulous, I always hit your sites Joe, You go Joe.
Thank you for your eyes and highs against lies.

Joe S Moore wrote:

> Duen,
>
> Education Automation is available at the BFI site (http://www.bfi.org); see:
> http://209.196.135.250/education_automation.htm
>
> Joe S Moore
> mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Duen Hsi Yen [mailto:yen@noogenesis.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 3:14 PM
> > To: joemoore@cruzio.com
> > Subject: Education Automation essay
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Would you happen to know if Fuller's essay "Education Automation" appears
> > anywhere on the web? It is reprinted in his book R. Buckminster Fuller on
> > Education, but I would like an html formatted version.
> >
> > Aloha!
> >
> > Duen
> >
> >
> >
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I bet Home depot ( < spelling ? )would do it.

Lawrence E. Couey wrote:

> Mark Somers wrote:
>
> > Kirby how about forming a
> > Shelter Tiger Team?
> >
> > 1.) Get assesments from dome builders
> > who frequent this message list for starters.
> >
> > a.) Are their air deliverable units on the
> > market now?
> >
> >  b.) If not air deliverable now then witch company
> >  if any can best accomadate the quickest deployment.
> >
> > 2.) Construction bids etc for 1,000 to 10,000 units.
> >
> > a.) Also include transport costs.
> >
> > b.) Unit delivery times etc.
> >
> > c.) Include costs for integrating heating/cooling.
> >
> > 3.) Can a package be put together
> > including other resources, food, blankets?
> >
> > 4.) How long would these units be needed?
> >
> > a.) Maintenence?
> >
> > b.) Refugee involvement for on site construction and
> > or set up?
>
> What about plywood dome shelters? Their quick to erect and can be done
> by anyone. A couple of version only take 20 sheets of 8x4 plywood (cut
> to 6x4) and approximately 41 bolts, nuts and lock washers.
>
> They can be shipped flat and put up in a couple of hours...
>
> Lawrence C.
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Unititvity is one!
I have made mistakes including taking drugs
a little and know it is bad, period.
Bucky told me to stop and i did.
It works better without it, and if
one is honest, and seeks only the truth.
I have not lied for about 10 years on purpose.
That is when I stopped smoking pot, because I
would have to hide and sneak and lie.  This is
why I stopped so I would not have to hide my life
style.  It is not worth the deceit.
I do the best I can to tell the truth every time
and it is the first question I have to ask my self
with every step of existence.  This makes one
at peace with the one and one with the peace.
Do you have another attacks for me to fend off.
Big shot!? I took the books because the librarian
would not help me and I was tired of waiting for
her, I did return them and it was good to do so.
To be dishonest is the greatest sin to one's self.
If anyone else understands unitivity or cares to is
a personal design.  I am very happy with my ideas and
I agree with you that I am alone with this fact.
I respect your place in the universe and if you want
to come over to my boat and kill me that is your decision.
Good luck to you.
It is amazing how much a mouse pad can help
with the design of use with the computer.
I have three buyers for the dome in Carbondale
that was buckies only dome home he ever owned.
Is anyone else interested in buying it now!
http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html

Brian Hutchings wrote:

> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      04-APR-1999 18:18
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  3 things stood out from your endless train of antimatter, although
>  I probably missed some other thing(s) of marginal interest,
>  Captain Mitchell: a)
>  the dang-near unbelievable "statistic" that your site is Numero Uno,
>  re Bucky (butt, then, such raw statistics can be big white lie,
>  meaning very far off but quite harmless); b)
>  you stole every Bucky book in your local Universe, and
>  returned it to the author -- good attention-getter, proving that
>  drugs really *can* be of occaissional pyschic come-uppance; c)
>  unitivity is comprehended by exactly one dude, for ever --
>  til further development(s) (a-hem,
>  such as the death of ye olde paradigme, meaning its artist-scientist
>  (singular, herein !-))
>
>  --The Duke of Oil!
>  http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm
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Just because you and others do not understand me
with unitivity does not mean I am wrong it just means
that I am not miss understood which is one fact that
Bucky would strive for every time he attempted something.
This is one thing I respect you for at least I know you have
studied bucky more than anyone else that I see on the screen.
Many may not realize this fact that you are very well read with
the Fuller cosmic fish and if I were to suggest that you are
next to me the best. You could even become a unitivitist
if you get your head out of your ass. I think you are someone else
that is not whom you really are.  I think that Rick Dryfus is who you
really are and you want to play bucky in a movie. RIGHT!

Brian Hutchings wrote:

> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      04-APR-1999 18:18
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  3 things stood out from your endless train of antimatter, although
>  I probably missed some other thing(s) of marginal interest,
>  Captain Mitchell: a)
>  the dang-near unbelievable "statistic" that your site is Numero Uno,
>  re Bucky (butt, then, such raw statistics can be big white lie,
>  meaning very far off but quite harmless); b)
>  you stole every Bucky book in your local Universe, and
>  returned it to the author -- good attention-getter, proving that
>  drugs really *can* be of occaissional pyschic come-uppance; c)
>  unitivity is comprehended by exactly one dude, for ever --
>  til further development(s) (a-hem,
>  such as the death of ye olde paradigme, meaning its artist-scientist
>  (singular, herein !-))
>
>  --The Duke of Oil!
>  http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm
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costmo or kosomo, modoe, slowdose, natos, grows the nose,
world game is not even in the plan boardings.  I have great respect for
you Mr. SOmers, even in the winter.  Gas has gone up here, UP as in flat
earth
, 30% in two weeks. Fill your tanks now if it is still low where you
are.
It is $1.61 a gallon here in LA, what is it where the tiger is in your
tank?
Mark Somers wrote:

> I'd also like to note that the time
> and materials to create the dome shelters
> need not be without compensation. If NATO
> gets involved it comes out of our pockets in taxes
> and if Hughs Missile Systems can get paid
> to kill people I don't think it's wrong for some
> dome suppliers to get paid to keep people
> alive.
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Go to Time Inc's Picture Collection web site to see 16 new pics of Bucky.

http://www.thepicturecollection.com/

Click on "Guest Visit" and then do a search using 'buckminster" or
"geodesic".


Joe S Moore
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RBF & Merce Cunningham; N Carolina State Univ B&W pic:

http://gyoza.com/frank/html/37'fuller.html

Joe S Moore
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The angles needed to make effective hubs are determined.

    http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/radial

I am not sure there's anything left to write about!

- Dave ( http://w3.one.net/~monkey )


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Date:         Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:39:07 +0000
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Thanks Joe that was great.

Joe S Moore wrote:

> Go to Time Inc's Picture Collection web site to see 16 new pics of Bucky.
>
> http://www.thepicturecollection.com/
>
> Click on "Guest Visit" and then do a search using 'buckminster" or
> "geodesic".
>
> Joe S Moore
> mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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Michael S. Mitchell wrote:

> The axis of any plane of precession has a potential field that
> is omni directional as a ball that the radii could and may as well
> as may have already or may in the future sweep out around the
> radii origin of any event that is precessional.  This means that all
> events on the as you say Quantum level are little solar systems of
> events.  When you call them models of static geometric shapes as
> a 3 frequency cube etc. this makes me wonder how the little solar
> system of nano volumes that are also in precession as a volume can
> be considered a static model of a 3F cube.  The amount of volumes that
> are in the system of relativity that are in what you may call the volumes with
> in a certain radii of event may be considered as having the same amount of
> parts of that event, but unless the event is for instance like spinning a cube
> of 3 freq. with its tetra volume of 3 then I think it is to Newtonian to consider
> for a real model.  Relativity is a radius always, and all events are radius volumes
> of potential field orbital systems like for instance going to the moon.  It will be
> some where within a certain systematic radius from close to farther away in it's
> ellipse.  the total potential of its radius sweep out in an omni directional volume is
> it potential or volume field of precession.  All events have this volume of
> precessional
> potential of inertia field.  It is the gravity field of all volumes and they are all
> going the
> speed of light in order to sweep out the areas of there radii fields.  A one mile
> radii will sweep out Pie R, Squared of 1 mile.  This will be its area of radii sweep.
> Since it is in motion this always looks like a spiral of area, like the earth sweeps
> out
> a radii of 4,701 miles or something like that and as it travels it spins 1100 miles
> per hour on its axis and it travels 60k miles per hour around the sun.  This seems
> for you that are NEWTONIAN THINKERS that, that is all the sweeping going on
> but with the mass of the earth that is sweeping out this area of PIE R squared in this
> spiral of 60,000 miles per hour at 1100 miles per hour spin, there is also all the
> 92 elements of the earth that are doing there quantum spin or I call the nano
> precessional
> Keplerian area sweep outs of there radii the speed of light.  This is sweeping out
> along
> with the sun because they share the radii of the earth as one system a total sweep out
> area
> in any given amount of time.  Pie r, squared that whole world, all the nano sweeps of
> all
> the 92 elements that make the earth and because the moon shares the same radii you will
> have the moons 52 month sweeps etc.  You must use the same amount of time for
> all the sweeps to mean anything, or frequency relative as there angular sweeps are in
> all
> different frequencies of area sweeps with there own frequency of spin as well.  It you
> add
> all these spins, sweeps and angular ins and outs of elliptical sweeps of all the masses
>
> involved, i call them volumes not masses.  They should sweep out the same area as that
> inwhich the radii from the sun does to the center of the earth.  This is my theory
> of conservation of entropy in my unitivity idea. Get it?
> The sun is very simple with two elements sweeping out like hell
> a lot of radius, this should be the same as all the planets orbits and the
> elements nano sweeps that make these planets.  A black hole is a place where
> areas of sweep out are in exchange without a center of simple radii as a mass
> only as potential mass vertexes to be sweeping from. Like the true center
> of the moons orbit is way off center from the earths center and the center
> can at times be not even with in the earths radii, like a comet would be with
> the sun.  In that sense a black hole is produced as a radii that only has
> attraction with out mass.  The area of sweep is the true inertia of the universe
> not the mass and gravity. This is the common opposite and equal reaction law
> that one gets in playing billiards but on an area Kepler type area sweep out of
> all event horizon volumes in harmony together. This is what I learned
> from buckies inspirational arm chair science. Precession is the dominate
> factor and your model of the cube as a way of making the parts fit is a bit
> non precessional unless you make it spin the speed of light while being a cube
> of 3 frequency. I am a unitivitist I agree with everything and then put it in its
> place in the most economical order to unite all events into one event. Unitivity.
> I do this with the known awareness that I am being relative in relativity when
> I do this and unitivity is a speculation of the dymaxion state of awareness that
> moves through time.  Thank you for your time and volume, MSM : - )
> (c) Copyright 1999 Michael S. Mitchell
>
> John Mac Cosham wrote:
>
> > Michael S. Mitchell wrote:
> >
> > >   In a nut shell smaller is just that smaller of
> > > what is larger. Simple as that.
> >
> > In relationship to my letter the above is all that makes sense to me.
> >
> > I am actually trying to introduce Tell Anderson's work who now in my opinion has
> > carried Synergetics farther then Bucky. He's picked up the ball and run with it,
> > creating a cardboard modelling system and a text that introduces geometric
> > modelling to quantum physics. We can model a nucleus with polyhedra made from A and
> > B modules.  Multiply the number of protons the element by 120 and that is the
> > amount of quanta modules that is needed in the model. It can have a void.
> >     So for instance oxygen 16 is a three frequency cube with a 24 module
> > tetrahedral void.
> >     I consider this the most exciting stuff I have ever looked into.
> >
> > dharmraj
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Subject:      Re: Orwellianism (T plus 15 years and counting)

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      11-APR-1999 20:21
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us


 nota bene: this quote is symptomatic, of "a democracy";
 democracy can just mean rule-by-the-mob, or effective fascism
 (a.k.a. corporatism or industrial guildism).  in other words,
 reasoned democratic governance is only (always) possible in a republic.
    or, to paraphrase, Larry Flynt,
 Relax, it's just politics, Honey!

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm
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Marc,

I just stumbled across your excellent article about using carjacks to smash
the ends of conduit pipe.
http://thematrix.com/~majcher/dome/clamp.html

In my case, I used a hydraulic jack which used a lever to pump fluid, rather
than the type in your illustration.  And yes, I had to glue a small metal
plate to the top of the jack (the head was round and too small).

We built a small (6'x 8'?) egg-shaped dome (wide enough to lie down and tall
enough to stand comfortably.  Don't remember what it cost.

Joe S Moore
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Subject:      Last call for Journal Articles
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February, 1999

The International Journal of Humanities and Peace (IJHP)
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Dear Colleagues and Friends:

  1999 is the 15th Anniversary of The International Journal of Humanities
and Peace, and we would be honored to have your article for our  Volume 15,
1999  on any topic of your choice related to
Peace/Science/Art/Development/Humanities.

  Your article may consist of 800 or 1,600 or 2,400 words--and submitted as
3 hard copies, a floppy disk (formatted for ClarisWorks/Appleworks if
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Please send 2 hard copies to me (Vasant Merchant), and 1 hard copy, and
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Date:         Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:35:45 -0700
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Info on emergency shelter parachute domes:
http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/domes/parachute.html

Joe S Moore
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Subject:      Monolithic Domes

I am new to the list and am relocating to the Dallas area later this year and
was wondering if anyone new of any builders in Dallas that build the cement
monolithic domes.

thanks Jen
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Subject:      GeoDomes Woodworks, Inc.

Has anyone built a kit from them in the last 2 years or know of anyone that
has built a kit.
Does anyone know if Glen Van Doren is still in charge.
Thanks.
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Subject:      Constructing Geodesic Patch Surfaces, Part III

The final installment of the series, includes patch patterns for the first
five frequency geodesics for the tetrahedron, octahedron, and icosahedron.
They may be printed, cut out, folded, and taped into geodesic shells.

    http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/folding3

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From:         Glenn Norgren <waux@GENEVAONLINE.COM>
Subject:      Re: [synergetics-l] Re: Enough already...

I smoke grass and it always makes me tell the truth...at least for the last
30 years.
<G><G>lenn

Michael S. Mitchell <syntrivity@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote in message
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> Unititvity is one!
> I have made mistakes including taking drugs
> a little and know it is bad, period.
> Bucky told me to stop and i did.
> It works better without it, and if
> one is honest, and seeks only the truth.
> I have not lied for about 10 years on purpose.
> That is when I stopped smoking pot, because I
> would have to hide and sneak and lie.  This is
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If this is true you must not live in the USA.
They will take your car, house, boat, and put you in jail.
If you tell the truth about it.
You have to hide it and this will make you not tell the truth
at times and this stops the precession of your integrity.
It over specializes your relationship to the universe.
I know this may sound stupid to you, I smoked grass from
1963 in Mexico till 1989. So I lied about it that whole time
and that hurt me more than the grass. All my friends lied
as well and I do not have friends that smoke now or I
try to drop them if I can.  I do not like dopers like you
any more. If it was legal it would be different but it still
makes one stupid to some degree.  When I want to be stupid
I drink beer, it is cheaper and legal and I do not have to lie.

Glenn Norgren wrote:

> I smoke grass and it always makes me tell the truth...at least for the last
> 30 years.
> <G><G>lenn
>
> Michael S. Mitchell <syntrivity@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote in message
> news:370E1CC7.513E8559@earthlink.net...
> > Unititvity is one!
> > I have made mistakes including taking drugs
> > a little and know it is bad, period.
> > Bucky told me to stop and i did.
> > It works better without it, and if
> > one is honest, and seeks only the truth.
> > I have not lied for about 10 years on purpose.
> > That is when I stopped smoking pot, because I
> > would have to hide and sneak and lie.  This is
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I have many buyers that are between 50K$ and 57K$.
Do I have any other offers at this time?

I will take 60K cash now.

http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
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Subject:      Calculating Geodesic Radial Vertex Angles

The angles needed to make effective hubs are determined.

    http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/radial

I am not sure there's anything left to write about!

- Dave ( http://w3.one.net/~monkey )
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<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
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Hello All,
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; I found two great pictures at greatbuildings.com of the
Pavilion at the '67 Expo. The complete address is
www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/US_Pavillion_at_Expo_'67.html.
The second picture gives you a sense of how big that dome really was.&nbsp;
This is a picture that I had never seen before. The other picture shows
how it was constructed, like <u>giant</u> monkey bars.
<p>Tom
<p>Please note spam blocker -xxxx</html>
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I am selling R. Bukcminster Fuller's original dome home
in Carbondale Illinois at SIU.  Any interested parties
contact me now, I am going to keep it if I do not
have contacts soon for this historical property.
Interested parties see site below or contact me
at 310 306-1913
http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
I had two buyers that have recently backed out.
I want 60,000 dollars for it cash now if a person
wishes to collect a very special property for the
future.  It may be used for a tax deduction after
made into the registry for historical architecture
and a large deduction obtained over its bought worth.
I hope to find someone to help me make into the
Buckminster Fullerene PARK dedicated to Bucky
and Anne Fuller in the City of Carbondale.
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Hi old friends, whereever you are. Here is an excerpt from my new web site,
which I finally got up, after several years delay.
There are also articles about "Geodesic Dome Education" as well as
"Carbon 60" .
Bill Lauritzen

http://Earth360.com

Tell your friends, link up. I'm still expanding the site.
Send feedback.


Atlantis

Introduction: Continent Lost

        The story of Atlantis is one of the strangest, most mysterious, and most
bizarre stories in the history of civilization.
        A famous Greek philosopher, Plato, who was a student of Socrates, wrote, in
only twenty-some pages (see the appendices), about a continent which he called
Atlantis. Plato was perhaps one of the most brilliant minds in history. He
helped to lay the foundation of Euro-American philosophic thought, and his
works are still studied today after 2300 years.
        Plato described a marvelous civilization that in just one day was destroyed.
This civilization had a main city with a royal palace made of ivory, gold, and
silver. This city also had bridges, canals, harbours, ships, fountains, many
temples, baths, and a track for racing horses. However, Plato says that
 afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day
and night of misfortune ... the island of Atlantis ... disappeared into the
depths of the sea.
        Whether Plato s story was fact or fiction, or some combination of these, has
been a intense topic of debate ever since Plato wrote the story. He is the only
source of information about  Atlantis.  Therefore, strictly speaking, Atlantis
is not folklore.
        In my opinion, Plato s description of this wonderful place, was probably part
fact, part fiction. In other words, Plato was attempting to describe an ideal
city-state, but he did draw on historical material.

The Occult and Atlantis

        The Western reader has possibly had some exposure to Atlantis by way of TV
documentaries, or one of the many books on the subject. There is often mention
of Alien visitations, nuclear power, flying ships, genetic manipulation, and
past lives.
        Unfortunately, in order to get temporarily higher ratings, the TV producers
emphasize these bizarre or occult phenomenon.
        Wherever there is lack of any firm evidence or firm knowledge, this is ripe
ground for growing unsubstantiated and bizarre beliefs. In other words, since
no one seems to know where Atlantis really is, why not just  channel  the
information from an extraterrestrial source? Who can disprove you? Or go into a
 trance state  and contact your own past life in Atlantis. Again, who is to say
you are wrong?
        Originally, I was open to some parts of this occult aspect. I waded through
many volumes of occult books in order to try to find something of value. I
found a lot of hope and a lot of hype, but no firm evidence.
        The occult can be seductive, intoxicating, and exhilarating. But reality often
isn t. And intoxication is toxic.
        To me the occult sort of represents the brainstorming function of society. In
the occult, any and all ideas are accepted as valid. Then it is up to the
scientists to winnow out the real and the good from the pure flights of
fantasy. So oddly enough, this brainstorming may be a valuable and necessary
function. Unfortunatetly, some people never look at the conclusions of science
which would allow them to leave the speculation behind.
        The serious researcher gets sick of hearing about these bizzare elements and
refuses to deal with them.

Science

        I realize that science is not perfect. It can be stultifying or resistant to
change. It functions, like all of us, within a political context. It encourages
compartmentalization of knowledge, so that frequently, no one looks at the big
picture or combines several disciplines together. Graduates students frequently
turn out mediocre dissertations that are, at best, moping up a field that was
created long before by an innovative thinker.
        In its favor, it probably needs to be resistant to change or every new,
half-baked idea would gain acceptance.

Atlantis Time Line

        Here are a few important events from the occult, the scholarly, and the
scientific, along with my comments:

7 560 BC:  according to Plato, a famous Greek statesman, Solon, visits Egypt
and hears from the priests at Sais, then the capital of Egypt, the story of an
ancient civilization that was destroyed 9000 years earlier.
7 360 BC: Plato first writes Solon s story and calls the civilization
 Atlantis.
7 300 BC-100 AD: various classical Mediterranean authors such as Crantor,
Strabo, Diodorus Siculus, Pliny the Elder, and Plutarch mention Atlantis.
Belief in the lost continent is divided.
7 1553: a Spaniard, Francesco Lopez de Gomara, makes the suggestion that
Atlantis was in America. However, as you will see, in many ways America does
not match the description given by Plato.
7 1860: Abbe Brasseur de Bourbourg, a French scholar, travels through middle
America for many years. He feels that Mayan glyphs document the volcanic
destruction of Atlantis. I think Brasseur was partly right about the Mayan
glyphs documenting a destruction, but I do feel that this was the destruction
of Atlantis. I feel it was the destruction of local villages and cities in
Mayan America.
7 1879: famous Mayan archeologist, Edward Herbert Thompson, defends the idea
that the Maya were descendants of an Atlantean race. (Of course, if Atlantis
was the first civilization, or first place that Homo sapien evolved, then all
civilizations would be descendants of Atlantis.)
7 1880s-1890s: Augustus Le Plongeon publishes Sacred Mysteries Among the Mayans
and Quiches (1886) and Queen Moo and the Egyptian Sphinx (1896) after ten years
of study in the Yucatan with his wife. He claims that Egyptian civilization, as
well as all other civilizations, came from the Mayan. He states that Queen Moo
was originally from Atlantis (which Le Plongeon calls Mu and situates in the
Atlantic Ocean), but when Queen Moo seeks refuge there, she finds it gone, and
goes on to Egypt were she was known as Isis and founded the Egyptian
civilization. Le Plongeon s work is interesting, but he made some fundamental
errors. We shall see that Atlantis was probably not in the Atlantic. Although
there may have been limited contact between Egyptian and Mayan cultures, a
point that has yet to be firmly proved, it appears that the two cultures
evolved largely separately.
7 1883: Ignatius Donnelly, a former member of the US Congress writes Atlantis:
the Antediluvian World, a popular book which went through fifty editions and is
still in print after 100 years. He claims Atlantis was the source of all
cultures of the world. Many scientists call his approach slanted and find
technical errors in his work. Donnelly was a lawyer and took a lawyer s
approach to his writing. Instead of presenting the pros and cons, he stated all
the pros only. We shall see that his location for Atlantis was probably wrong.
Whether different cultures developed independently or by diffusion is a hotly
debated question. I tend to think there were certain minute amounts of
diffusion.
7 1880s: Madam Blavatsky, sometimes called the Grandmother of the  New Age
movement, includes Atlantis in her occult and bizarre reconstruction of
history. For example, because of humanities widespread preoccupation with
dragons, she believes that humans existed at the time of the dinosaurs. In
1908, Rudolf Steiner continues with his bizarre version of Atlantis. He
eventually breaks away from Blavatsky, and forms his own schools. Today, they
are known as Waldorf schools.
7 1909: In an anonymous letter to the London Times, classical scholar K. T.
Frost points out similarities between the Mediterranean culture of Crete (also
known as Minoan after King Minos who lived on Crete) and Plato s  Atlantis.
Although there are similarities, Plato s description of Atlantis does not match
well that of ancient Crete.
7 1930s: Edgar Cayce becomes famous in the US for going into a trance and then
prescribing remedies for ill people. During these trance states he sometimes
mentions living in Atlantis in a past life. He predicts that a mysterious  Hall
of Records  will be found near the Sphinx describing Atlantis. He also predicts
Atlantis would rise again from the ocean. He makes mostly bizarre guesses that
are often interpreted by followers as somehow correct. For example when certain
symmetrical rocks, probably natural formations called  beach rocks,  were found
near Bihimi Island in the Bahamas, followers claimed that these were evidence
of Atlantis  rising again.
7 1931: author James Churchward writes, The Lost Continent of Mu. He claims to
have seen  sacred  tablets in India which described the creation of the world
and the lost continent which he calls Mu. He places Mu in the Pacific. His work
seems to be largely derived from that of Le Plongeon.  No one ever saw these
ancient tablets, and people wonder if they really ever existed. Although
interesting to read, his work remains in the category of questionable
speculation.
7 1939: a Greek archeologist, Spyridon Marinatos, suggests that the destruction
of the island of Thera (near Crete and now part of Greece), in 1500 BC, and the
resulting tsunami was what caused the collapse of the Minoan civilization. In
1950 he suggests the Atlantis myth derives from this event. His paper is not
published in English until 1969. Many modern scientists accept Thera as a
possible Atlantis, however, we shall see that Plato s description is not a good
match with Thera.
7 1954: L. Sprague de Camp first publishes Lost Continents, a Dover classic.
However, De Camp is probably better known for his science fiction writing about
 Conan: the Barbarian.  De Camp is a firm skeptic when it comes to Atlantis. He
flatly states that Plato made up the story. Interestingly, he also says that
Wagner s Continental Drift Theory is  very doubtful.  (A 1970 edition, however,
corrected this statement.)
7 1973: Geologist Dorothy Vitaliano writes Legends of the Earth and includes a
chapter on Atlantis. She correctly points out that there is nowhere in the
Atlantic ocean that Atlantis could have existed. An excellent scientific book,
even though somewhat dated geologically.
7 1974: James Bramwell writes Lost Atlantis, perhaps one of the most rational
and balanced accounts of the controversy ever published. Though parts of it are
dated, his book often amazes one with in its insight and depth.
7 1975: Indiana University hosts a panel discussion  Atlantis: Fact or
Fiction,  including several notable scholars. While most of them dismiss the
Atlantis story as pure fiction, John V. Luce (Professor of Classics, Dublin
University) presents the view, which I agree with, that Plato s Atlantis story
is part fiction, part fact, and based on ancient legends.
7 1960s-1970s: seismologist A. G. Galanopoulos, another Greek, also tries to
link  Atlantis  to the volcano on the island of Thera. He claims that an error
in translation made all numbers in Plato s text multiplied by 10, and that this
is why Thera is ten times smaller than Plato described.. This  ten error  has
been effectively refuted by some scholars (Vitaliano, Luce). Also, there are
many other mismatches between Thera and Atlantis (Pointed out nicely by
Vitaliano).
7 1992-present: William Lauritzen, the author of this text, based on his study
of oceanography, geology, mythology, and religion, develops and presents the
idea that periodic massive explosion-eruptions of the volcano Krakatau, on the
Sunda Shelf between Sumatra and Java, may have developed into the legend that
eventually became the Atlantis story. Mr. Lauritzen first publicly stated his
hypothesis on a newsgroup in 1995.

I do not attempt to cover all the vast previous literature on Atlantis. That
would require a separate book and I feel has been done adequately by other
authors. One of the functions of this book is not to state the problem, but to
state a possible solution to the mystery of the location of the lost continent.

        The many suggestions for this location include (but are not limited to): an
island-continent in the Atlantic, North Africa, America, Crete, Carthage,
Spain, South Africa, Malta, Central France, Tunisia, the Arctic, the
Netherlands, Palestine, Nigeria, North Sea, Mexico, Greenland, Brazil, West
Indies, Sweden, Morocco, Great Briton, and recently, unbelieveably, Antarctica
and Peru. However, probably none of these are correct.
        As I said, Plato s Atlantis may have been PART FACT--PART FICTION. Where it
was located? is the question we will now discuss.


Continent Found?

******
        As we stood at the base of one of the world s most deadly volcanoes, our
guides tried to talk us out of going any further. The language was difficult to
understand, but the message was clear. They had just brought us across a 5-hour
stretch of ocean in an old fishing boat, but they knew that to go further was
to risk their own lives as well as ours.
        Ahead, there were no plants or animals. Just boulders and rocks. Scattered
here and there amidst the boulders were vents, emitting poisonous sulfur gas
from the inside of the volcano.
        This dragon was sleeping now, but a few years ago it had taken the lives of
several Americans. Just over 100 years ago, in a fit of rage, it had exploded
violently and the resulting tidal wave had killed over 36,000.
        Our small expedition was composed of two Dutch, two Danish, two French, and
myself, the American. I had chartered the boat from a small fishing village to
the north and managed to gather together these others to help with the cost. We
all hesitated for a moment, then four of us went on without the guides or the
others. The guides knew there was nothing they could do to stop us. They told
us to be back in an hour, probably hoping to minimize our exposure to the
volcano.
        In the heat of the equatorial sun, we hiked up the lunar-like terrain ....
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Beautiful color pic of RBF's Geoscope at Southern Illinois
Univ-Edwardsville:
http://www.siue.edu/PHOTO/rel.html


Joe S Moore
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Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
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Subject:      HI we need help for a project

Hello, My name is Rosemary, I am in 7th grade, I am doing a math project with 2
of my friends we are bulidg a geodesic dome, It is located in Epcote Center,
Disney World in flordia. If you have any info. or pictures plase send them to
me at CHICAPEA99@AOL.COM  thanyou for your time!

                                    Rosemary, Stephanie, and Kristina
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I now have three persons that are interested in putting together a
syndicate
of interest in making my dome that I bought from bucky and anne into
a park.  I want to get a measly 54K for the property.
If we can have 5 persons at 11K we have a park for the year
2000 and 105th birthday for bucky and anne's anniversary for marriage as
well.
It is 100 percent tax deductible to give this money to cauldwell banker
who will
take the money and make the title change over to the persons initiating
this
great deed.  I will donate 4,000 dollars of the 54 and supervise the
closing costs
and all money not used for closing will be put towards the restoration
of the dome
for the persons donating the funds.  They will be the owners.  After
this happens
the dome will be put onto the historical registry of Carbondale I have
already receive
the papers to do this once.  Once this is done the dome will apply for a
historical
state registry inwhich is an easy OK because The National Trust of
Historical
Preservation has stated long ago that they would accept this as a very
important
National Monument.  The tax deduction after only the registry to the
Carbondale list
for historical property will be a shoe in and will increase the tax
deduction a great deal for
the donors whom would then donate the property of Bucky and Anne Fuller
for the

R. Buckminster and Anne Hewlett Fuller Memorial Fullerene Park

THE DOME WILL BE A BREAD AND BREAKFAST PLACE FOR THE
CITY AND ANOTHER BUILDING IS PLANNED TO BE FOR EXHIBITS NEXT TO A LARGE
OPEN PARK THAT WOULD BE THE WHOLE PARK.

To see a map made by the city see my site.

http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html

YOUR MONEY WILL BE GIVEN TO CALDWELL BANKER AND YOU
WILL OWN THIS YOURSELF.  You may all decide what you want to do.
You will be given a plaque for yourself, invitation for the dedication
on Bucky's birthday on July 4, 2000 and a large tax deduction when the
appraisal increases with the new registry of Historical significance.
This is not a scam or a tax dodge it is a real great thing to do for the

city of Carbondale and for humanity to see how humble a home this
great man owned and wrote the greatest books and ideas for humanity
ever conceived.  The dome is a 3 frequency icosa cap dome, it is the
same as
a C 60 , bucky ball, carbon fullerene molecule named after bucky, The
town
is called Carbondale this is a real chance to see a very mysterious
truth
end with a good deed, yours to the first geodesic dome of the inventor
of the
geodesic dome and the only hope for your children in this world, that to

celebrate this man will allow a future for everyone and he is the only
one.
No other plans have been made to make the world work for all humanity
to be a success.  Only this celebration for this humble dome can start
the new
century off with a celebration that will allow the world to see the news
that this
park is commemorated to the future to make the whole world a park for
all humanity to live in by using the war, money for livingry.
This plan has already been signed on to by the city of carbondale it is
ripe
and there is no blocks except some work on the dome and fence and the
paper work. The taxes are 1400 per year and insurance is 360 dollars per
year.
It is now rented for 600 per month.  The UNIVERSITY of SOUTHERN ILLINOIS
has a new Chancellor and Preservation is a high priority in the new mind
set.
Please help make this happen to help bring attention for all mankind's
options.

If you wish to do so, contact me at 310 306-1913 or e-mail me above.
Thank you,

Michael S. Mitchell
13800 Tahiti Way, BB# 37
Marina Del Rey, Ca. 90292
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John,

Try http://gyoza.com/frank/html/37'fuller.html.  It worked a few minutes
ago.

Joe S Moore
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Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
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> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 1999 4:49 PM
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>       Hi Joe,  Just wanted to check with you about the Merce
> Cunningham website address since my attempt to locate it came
> back with a no file found.  Thanks for all the great work you
> are doing.
>
>       Best Regards,
>
>       john
> ..........................................................................
> John Belt, Design Faculty         Studio Phone:  315-341-2867 / voice mail
> Department of Technology          Office Phone:  315-341-2868
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David Anderson wrote:

> The angles needed to make effective hubs are determined.
>
>     http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/radial
>
> I am not sure there's anything left to write about!
>
> - Dave ( http://w3.one.net/~monkey )

Dave,

Sure there's more to write about! How about Elliptical and
Super-Ellipitical domes? Or Egg shaped? Or free-form domes? Or Torus
shaped domes? Or that pointed dome shape one observes on the Kremlin's
towers? Or ... ;-)

What you've done (so far ;-) is BEAUTIFUL! You and Joe Moore are a
couple of the greatest "things" that have happened to both this list and
to the continuation of Bucky's study of geodesic forms. Thank you very
much. (Now if only I can find more time to study the works of you both
<sigh>).

Lawrence C.
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Rosemary et al,

See "Disney" at http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/Domes-D.htm.  Browse
around for other info about domes.

Joe S Moore
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Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
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> Hello, My name is Rosemary, I am in 7th grade, I am doing a math
> project with 2
> of my friends we are bulidg a geodesic dome, It is located in
> Epcote Center,
> Disney World in flordia. If you have any info. or pictures plase
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> me at CHICAPEA99@AOL.COM  thanyou for your time!
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Roger,

Look under "Dome Manufacturers" in the following section:
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/DomeManuf-G.htm

I believe Glen is still the President of GDW.

Joe S Moore
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Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
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> Has anyone built a kit from them in the last 2 years or know of
> anyone that
> has built a kit.
> Does anyone know if Glen Van Doren is still in charge.
> Thanks.
>
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Jen,

Look in the "Dome Manufacturers" section:
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/D.htm

Joe S Moore
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> I am new to the list and am relocating to the Dallas area later
> this year and
> was wondering if anyone new of any builders in Dallas that build
> the cement
> monolithic domes.
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> thanks Jen
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Color pic of interior of Mitchell Park geodesic dome:
http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?s=geodesic+dome&l=geodesic+dome&b=3&a=3
&r=1&p=12

Joe S Moore
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What information do you need?

CHICAPEA99 wrote:

> Hello, My name is Rosemary, I am in 7th grade, I am doing a math project with 2
> of my friends we are bulidg a geodesic dome, It is located in Epcote Center,
> Disney World in flordia. If you have any info. or pictures plase send them to
> me at CHICAPEA99@AOL.COM  thanyou for your time!
>
>                                     Rosemary, Stephanie, and Kristina
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      19-APR-1999 10:54
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 there are everal points in your chronology where the breeteesh fwee-
 masonic "twadition" shows-on-through, as with the crazen Blavatsky
 and her Great White Brotherhood (or you could dig into her association
 with the grotesquely mysterious geopolitician, Gurdjief, if
 you *really* wanted to get your hands *that* dirty -- or
 read about Zbiggy Brzezinski and Sir Henry the K., if
 you want to be soiled to the bottom of your being .-)
    but, why bother?...  you did not even mention the specific *work*
 of Plato in which Atlantis is mentioned, nor the importance of Solon
 9in the creation of the "classical" Greek Republic, or
 Plato's to the "asemitic" method of Jesus X.
    whatever the "reality" of the story-setting Atlantis,
 anyone who thinks that "The Republic" is some sort of a blue-print
 for a once-existant civiliztion, cannot use a metaphor
 ro unfold his way out of a paper bag!
    there is a much-better approach to this whole subject,
 avoiding the breeteesh poisoning of the well of archeology & anthropology,
 and their promotion of the Cult of Isis via Blavatsky, Crowley et al.
 see the latest issue of *21st C.Science and Tech.*,
 on Maui's circumnavigation and Ulysses transatlantic voyage (800/453-4108).

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net
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All I got was a file not found message.
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Go to the "Frank" website (an int'l journal of contemporary writing & art):
http://gyoza.com/frank/

Click on "Literary North Carolina"; left side scroll down to "Buckminster
Fuller/Merce Cunningham photograph" and click.  A black & white pic of Bucky
& Merce should appear.  The pic, BTW, is also in Robert Snyder's book 'R
Buckminster Fuller: An Autobiographical Monologue Scenario' on page 85.

Joe S Moore
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I've finished for now my animated
great circle train. To be honest the gif animation
program I downloaded expired. And these
guys are smart cuz you can't download another
copy for even more evaluation. hahahahaha.
Guess I'll just have to buy the darn program.

318 K , 320 by 240

http://homepages.go.com/~marksomers/animatedtrain2.gif


Atlantis? Isn't that in Georgia somewhere?
And is Plato on the Republican ticket?
Errr maybe I have him confussed with someone
else because I don't remember reading about Plato
dancing naked on any bars.
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DELETE STUPID
SOME PEOPLE MAY LIKE TO SEE THE FIRST DOME
MADE INTO A PARK OF THE INVENTOR OF THE
GEODESIC DOME IT WOULD BE GOOD TO CELEBRATE
THE DOME BEING INVENTED IT MAY HELP SPREAD THE
MESSAGE THAT THE WORLD COULD WORK FOR ALL
HUMANITY________ LETS STOP EARTH DAY THEN AS WELL

Matthew Altaras wrote:

> STOP SENDING ME THIS SHIT!!!!
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Uncle Captain Mikey
 why don't you get Home Depot
 to sponsor your project?
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A Synergetic / Geodesic Contribution to the refugee crisis in Kosovo and =
future Kosovos

Regugee Camps: Market Forces create demand for Instant Cities.

The refugee situation in the Balkans is deplorable and needs immediate =
constructive responses. The overnight creation of tent cities full of =
people struggling to survive is the unimaginable made real by the =
horrors implemented by narrow minds and unfeeling hearts. Brought home =
in life and death colours by the magic of television. Can the World =
Economy satisfy the projected demand for instant cities that its polices =
seem to create?=20

Cloud 9 as a model for the manufacture and delivery of Cities on Demand

Somewhere there is a crater or open pit mine within which a =
manufacturing infrastructure could be installed to produce mile diameter =
spherical domes for the purpose of delivering and becoming a remote =
urban center. Before these new cities can become full blown transient =
Cloud 9s floating about in the stratosphere an interim phase of =
implementation will cater to those less willing to cast off our intimate =
connection to the ground.=20

These interim structures will be a hybrid of rigid and semi rigid domes =
capable of Lighter Than Air (LTA) flight. The conversion of a crater or =
open pit mine to a huge geodesic jig will permit the rapid assembly of =
rigid hemispheric geodesic frames. When the frame is complete a =
spherical bladder will be added to:=20

=B7 provide lift for the delivery phase and=20

=B7 the double walled skin of the dome upon installation at a remote =
site.

Upon delivery the bladders will be evacuated while skycranes rotate and =
lower the rigid dome into position. The bladders involute becoming the =
roof, solar collector and water barrier. If the bouyant gas used during =
transport were hydrogen (assuming it can be controlled during flight) it =
would serve as fuel and when oxidized a water source.=20

Of course a roof does not make a home nor a city. The capability of =
modularly constructing the internal supports for individual dwelling =
spaces and work spaces must also be provided although essential services =
(hospital, food preparation, water purification, storage, distribution =
and logistical controls) could be preconstructed as part of the rigid =
shell. With the East St. Louis Project as a model for urban layout it is =
conceivable that an internal slip form machine be incorporated which =
could convert local materials and air delivered materials into an =
organized whole (dwellings, internal transport [bicycle paths and =
elevators], sanitation, communications) capable of supporting the =
immediate needs of a displaced population. With good design these could =
become permanent settlements.

The Balkan situation is just the wake up call to a world whose =
population is increasingly prone to rapid massive refugee migrations =
from war and environmental catastrophe. This same technology could also =
address the chronic problem of homelessness which affects 1000 times =
more people than the displaced Kosovars. Adopting these urban =
environments could also break the wests car culture addiction that fuels =
planetary degradation. Wake up world and make your own bed.




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<P>Regugee Camps: Market Forces create demand for Instant Cities.</P>
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immediate=20
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people=20
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colours by=20
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demand for=20
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Demand</P>
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manufacturing=20
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domes for=20
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willing=20
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<P>These interim structures will be a hybrid of rigid and semi rigid =
domes=20
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and lower=20
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solar=20
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were=20
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fuel=20
and when oxidized a water source. </P>
<P>Of course a roof does not make a home nor a city. The capability of =
modularly=20
constructing the internal supports for individual dwelling spaces and =
work=20
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preparation, water purification, storage, distribution and logistical =
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[bicycle paths=20
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immediate=20
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chronic=20
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Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 12:42 PM
Subject: Great circle train show and tell


>I've finished for now my animated
>great circle train.

It seems to me that the train number should be 31 not 99.
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The dome in Long Beach Bucky told me was the lightest structure in the
history of the world for its radii and volume of enclosed omni directional
shelter control.  It is a very inspiring dome next to the Queen Mary which
was used in WWll, What a contrast. My point is you can always make it
lighter, any dome. Or how light can you go is a good question?
Do more with less. *<( : - ) ~ Compound curvature makes the radial angle
change/

Lawrence E. Couey wrote:

> David Anderson wrote:
>
> > The angles needed to make effective hubs are determined.
> >
> >     http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/radial
> >
> > I am not sure there's anything left to write about!
> >
> > - Dave ( http://w3.one.net/~monkey )
>
> Dave,
>
> Sure there's more to write about! How about Elliptical and
> Super-Ellipitical domes? Or Egg shaped? Or free-form domes? Or Torus
> shaped domes? Or that pointed dome shape one observes on the Kremlin's
> towers? Or ... ;-)
>
> What you've done (so far ;-) is BEAUTIFUL! You and Joe Moore are a
> couple of the greatest "things" that have happened to both this list and
> to the continuation of Bucky's study of geodesic forms. Thank you very
> much. (Now if only I can find more time to study the works of you both
> <sigh>).
>
> Lawrence C.
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Robert Snyder's book is the greatest bucky book ever, why?
because. This goes for his films as well.  No one would ever
see bucky under a microscope with out Allegra's great film
crew family with Bob and Jamie.  How lucky we all are to
have this mass media man in the family.  It is like Van Gogh
you can not see how large it is until you see it in time.
Humanity will be able to see bucky's integrity from
a family view for ever for this reason that bob snyder
married allegra Fuller. Do not put asunder what god hath
put together, it came to pass, thank god. ~

Joe S Moore wrote:

> Go to the "Frank" website (an int'l journal of contemporary writing & art):
> http://gyoza.com/frank/
>
> Click on "Literary North Carolina"; left side scroll down to "Buckminster
> Fuller/Merce Cunningham photograph" and click.  A black & white pic of Bucky
> & Merce should appear.  The pic, BTW, is also in Robert Snyder's book 'R
> Buckminster Fuller: An Autobiographical Monologue Scenario' on page 85.
>
> Joe S Moore
> mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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great stuff Brian, your mind is an art fact.

Brian Hutchings wrote:

> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      19-APR-1999 10:54
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  there are everal points in your chronology where the breeteesh fwee-
>  masonic "twadition" shows-on-through, as with the crazen Blavatsky
>  and her Great White Brotherhood (or you could dig into her association
>  with the grotesquely mysterious geopolitician, Gurdjief, if
>  you *really* wanted to get your hands *that* dirty -- or
>  read about Zbiggy Brzezinski and Sir Henry the K., if
>  you want to be soiled to the bottom of your being .-)
>     but, why bother?...  you did not even mention the specific *work*
>  of Plato in which Atlantis is mentioned, nor the importance of Solon
>  9in the creation of the "classical" Greek Republic, or
>  Plato's to the "asemitic" method of Jesus X.
>     whatever the "reality" of the story-setting Atlantis,
>  anyone who thinks that "The Republic" is some sort of a blue-print
>  for a once-existant civiliztion, cannot use a metaphor
>  ro unfold his way out of a paper bag!
>     there is a much-better approach to this whole subject,
>  avoiding the breeteesh poisoning of the well of archeology & anthropology,
>  and their promotion of the Cult of Isis via Blavatsky, Crowley et al.
>  see the latest issue of *21st C.Science and Tech.*,
>  on Maui's circumnavigation and Ulysses transatlantic voyage (800/453-4108).
>
>  --The Duke of Oil!
>  http://www.tarpley.net
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Joe,

When I received your email, the URL was "chopped" at the "'" (single quote mark)
by Netscape Communicator (see quoted texted below). I cut the URL and pasted it
into NC's Location field and it found the photo. Bucky sure looks like he's
having fun! ;-)

Lawrence C.

Joe S Moore wrote:

> John,
>
> Try http://gyoza.com/frank/html/37'fuller.html.  It worked a few minutes
> ago.

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Until someone buys the dome from me I am dedicating the
dome the Michael S. Mitchell Geodesic original dome park.
WORLD PARK SERVICE FOR WORLD PEACE AND FREEDOM

I am announcing myself to be candidate for president on the
Bucky Fuller ticket.
I have taken LSD, and many other things over my life.
I have straightened my life out for many years now,
I am clean and against all drugs by experience.
I am for the Fuller life, education, etc. The whole omni
trip of bucky and anne's integrity.
I ONLY TELL THE TRUTH EVEN IF i DIE FOR IT.
I am a unitivitst.  I love all people and am for
comprehensive design science as my plank of justice for
all humanity to live on earth as one family.  No shit.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael S. Mitchell <syntrivity@EARTHLINK.NET>
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<GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 1:34 AM
Subject: The Michael S. Mitchell Memorial Park


>Until someone buys the dome from me I am dedicating the
>dome the Michael S. Mitchell Geodesic original dome park.
>WORLD PARK SERVICE FOR WORLD PEACE AND FREEDOM
>
>I am announcing myself to be candidate for president on the
>Bucky Fuller ticket.
>I have taken LSD, and many other things over my life.
>I have straightened my life out for many years now,
>I am clean and against all drugs by experience.
>I am for the Fuller life, education, etc. The whole omni
>trip of bucky and anne's integrity.
>I ONLY TELL THE TRUTH EVEN IF i DIE FOR IT.
>I am a unitivitst.  I love all people and am for
>comprehensive design science as my plank of justice for
>all humanity to live on earth as one family.  No shit.
>


So all you kids out there tuning in on this
thread, let Uncle Captain Mickey serve has an
example of what drug use can do to your brain
cells.


Dole for Prime Miniskirt of Britain in 2000.
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Subject:      Should I? 1721

http://www.eureka-erotica.com/adultsex/pornplaza/
Go on then!
Over 18s only.
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Hey! mark get your own park.


Mark Somers wrote:

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> <GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 1:34 AM
> Subject: The Michael S. Mitchell Memorial Park
>
> >Until someone buys the dome from me I am dedicating the
> >dome the Michael S. Mitchell Geodesic original dome park.
> >WORLD PARK SERVICE FOR WORLD PEACE AND FREEDOM
> >
> >I am announcing myself to be candidate for president on the
> >Bucky Fuller ticket.
> >I have taken LSD, and many other things over my life.
> >I have straightened my life out for many years now,
> >I am clean and against all drugs by experience.
> >I am for the Fuller life, education, etc. The whole omni
> >trip of bucky and anne's integrity.
> >I ONLY TELL THE TRUTH EVEN IF i DIE FOR IT.
> >I am a unitivitst.  I love all people and am for
> >comprehensive design science as my plank of justice for
> >all humanity to live on earth as one family.  No shit.
> >
>
> So all you kids out there tuning in on this
> thread, let Uncle Captain Mickey serve has an
> example of what drug use can do to your brain
> cells.
>
> Dole for Prime Miniskirt of Britain in 2000.
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Oh! mark I tried coke but I could not get the
cans up my nose.

Mark Somers wrote:

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> <GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 1:34 AM
> Subject: The Michael S. Mitchell Memorial Park
>
> >Until someone buys the dome from me I am dedicating the
> >dome the Michael S. Mitchell Geodesic original dome park.
> >WORLD PARK SERVICE FOR WORLD PEACE AND FREEDOM
> >
> >I am announcing myself to be candidate for president on the
> >Bucky Fuller ticket.
> >I have taken LSD, and many other things over my life.
> >I have straightened my life out for many years now,
> >I am clean and against all drugs by experience.
> >I am for the Fuller life, education, etc. The whole omni
> >trip of bucky and anne's integrity.
> >I ONLY TELL THE TRUTH EVEN IF i DIE FOR IT.
> >I am a unitivitst.  I love all people and am for
> >comprehensive design science as my plank of justice for
> >all humanity to live on earth as one family.  No shit.
> >
>
> So all you kids out there tuning in on this
> thread, let Uncle Captain Mickey serve has an
> example of what drug use can do to your brain
> cells.
>
> Dole for Prime Miniskirt of Britain in 2000.
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I am only kidding about bucky's dome with my name,
If anyone wants to put up (out) 57K July 4, 2000
we will have the park.  Let me know.
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"What the World Wants" interactive chart at World Game:
http://www.worldgame.org/wwwproject/

18 Strategies for Confronting the Major Systemic Problems Confronting
Humanity:

Introduction
What We Have and What We Want
Synergies of the Whole

1. Eliminate Starvation and Malnourishment
2. Provide Health Care & AIDS Control
3. Provide Shelter
4. Provide Clean Safe Water
5. Eliminate Illiteracy
6. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Efficiency
7. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Renewables
8. Retire Developing Nations Debt
9. Stabilize Population
10. Prevent Soil Erosion
11. Stop Deforestation
12. Stop Ozone Depletion
13. Prevent Acid Rain
14. Prevent Global Warming
15. Remove Landmines
16. Refugee Relief
17. Eliminating Nuclear Weapons
18. Build Democracy

Joe S Moore
mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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You forgot a bucky and anne fuller park.
need 57K and we can make the park reality
July 4, 2000 on Bucky and Anne anniversary.
http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
Dear joe I have some new photos to put on my site
but I can not get them to load.  What CAN AND
WHERE CAN I GET VIRUS SHIELDING?
from he internet.
If only we could vote for the below designs to
be done and to hell with those that fight it.

Joe S Moore wrote:

> "What the World Wants" interactive chart at World Game:
> http://www.worldgame.org/wwwproject/
>
> 18 Strategies for Confronting the Major Systemic Problems Confronting
> Humanity:
>
> Introduction
> What We Have and What We Want
> Synergies of the Whole
>
> 1. Eliminate Starvation and Malnourishment
> 2. Provide Health Care & AIDS Control
> 3. Provide Shelter
> 4. Provide Clean Safe Water
> 5. Eliminate Illiteracy
> 6. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Efficiency
> 7. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Renewables
> 8. Retire Developing Nations Debt
> 9. Stabilize Population
> 10. Prevent Soil Erosion
> 11. Stop Deforestation
> 12. Stop Ozone Depletion
> 13. Prevent Acid Rain
> 14. Prevent Global Warming
> 15. Remove Landmines
> 16. Refugee Relief
> 17. Eliminating Nuclear Weapons
> 18. Build Democracy
>
> Joe S Moore
> mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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Yes Joe I have a new picture on page 4 of my site
of bucky and anne in the library at their home dome
in Carbondale, very rare picture not in any books.
I wish you could see it regular size anne's
eyes are stunning.  The picture you recently had of them
was out of the LA times article for the Centennial of LA.
I have the whole paper it you do not have it and could scan
and send you some of them if you want. I am not to good
yet at this scan and send stuff.

Check out the new picture.
http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html

Joe S Moore wrote:

> "What the World Wants" interactive chart at World Game:
> http://www.worldgame.org/wwwproject/
>
> 18 Strategies for Confronting the Major Systemic Problems Confronting
> Humanity:
>
> Introduction
> What We Have and What We Want
> Synergies of the Whole
>
> 1. Eliminate Starvation and Malnourishment
> 2. Provide Health Care & AIDS Control
> 3. Provide Shelter
> 4. Provide Clean Safe Water
> 5. Eliminate Illiteracy
> 6. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Efficiency
> 7. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Renewables
> 8. Retire Developing Nations Debt
> 9. Stabilize Population
> 10. Prevent Soil Erosion
> 11. Stop Deforestation
> 12. Stop Ozone Depletion
> 13. Prevent Acid Rain
> 14. Prevent Global Warming
> 15. Remove Landmines
> 16. Refugee Relief
> 17. Eliminating Nuclear Weapons
> 18. Build Democracy
>
> Joe S Moore
> mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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Subject:      mental suitcase stinkbomb

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      25-APR-1999 13:46
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 FLASH: the City of West Hollyweird has declared War
 on Greater Serbia, in order to move President Clinton
 to either ****, or get off of their faces <fart> !!
    seriously, they really did decalre their support
 for WW3, as it were, butt I have no idea what this portends
 for Gays in the Military, or Giddy Happiness, or
 even the General Welfare and the Right to Bare Arms, or
 Long Silk Gloves, or Latex Ones, or What Doo You!

 --The Duke of Oil!
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Michael,  see below:

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> Mitchell
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 1999 3:31 AM
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>
(snip)
> eyes are stunning.  The picture you recently had of them
> was out of the LA times article for the Centennial of LA.

What was the date & page numbers?  I'd like to add that article to my
list--if I don't already have it.

> I have the whole paper it you do not have it and could scan
> and send you some of them if you want. I am not to good
> yet at this scan and send stuff.
>
> Check out the new picture.
> http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
>
Joe S Moore
mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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Subject:      test

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      25-APR-1999 18:05
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 just tseting.
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Subject:      one for the money

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      26-APR-1999 15:02
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 testing 3 2 1 0 <pop>.
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Temcor now says that they can build domes of about 1000' diameter ("over 300
meters"); see:
http://www.temcor.com/profile.html


Joe S Moore
mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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This is the best dome company in the world, no problem!
Michael S. Mitchell owner of bucky and anne's home
please help and give me 57K dollars to make the
Bucky and Anne Fuller, Fullerene Park in Carbondale.
http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
We all hope to have the park dedicated July 4, 2000.
This is the memorial of bucky and anne passing into the
no more second hand god omni directional halo.
It would be the 83 anniversary of their wedding.
I am sure that Allegra would dedicate it, with the
first lady and the president if ask.  I would be bucky's
114 birthday and Anne's 115 birthday.  These are precessional
facts of the earth going around the sun, the fact that we all go
around the sun together makes the point that we are all
one on one space ship earth and the captains and first mates
cabin is in Carbondale Illinois in the exact center of the USA
and the fly bridge if you look at my site you will see bucky and anne
in the library fly bridge where the first world man couple started
world game to help make all humans rights the fact of design on
on little planet of the apes.  Please help make this humble dome home
the first historical property and home that is the same as a C60
bucky ball in design. It is a carbon molecule in Carbondale. On a
little planet that has a lot of monkeys that have a lot of carbon in them.
Please give me 57K tax deductible to donate this dome to Carbondale
as a monument against war and to make the world work park.
Thank you for your gracious time.
Michael S. Mitchell owner of the first dome home
of Bucky and Anne Fuller the world man team first on earth.
To make the world work starts with one little dome home.
The origin of the idea of world game was here as well as the
home of the captain of space ship earth. The captains cabin.
Call me trim tab, call the dome  home the captains cabin of
Space ship earth. The is the real Hugh dome.  This is the
manger of domes, the home of R. Buckminster Fuller and most
of all his angel wife, the greatest inspiration that is over looked
in Fuller's life, his wife, the one that without he would have never
been know to exists.  HE WAS HERE BECAUSE OF HER ONLY.
She is the reason we all are here to think of him. God bless her.
Michael S. Mitchell
Thank you Joe for making so much information available while
the great BFI gets their site moving.  They are on the move
so watch out Joe here they come. God Bless!
Joe S Moore wrote:

> Temcor now says that they can build domes of about 1000' diameter ("over 300
> meters"); see:
> http://www.temcor.com/profile.html
>
> Joe S Moore
> mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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http://iris.npr.org/plweb-cgi/fastweb?getdoc+npr+npr+18259+0+wAAA+buckminster

--
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On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Joe S Moore wrote:

> Temcor now says that they can build domes of about 1000' diameter ("over 300
> meters"); see:
> http://www.temcor.com/profile.html
>
>
  The stadium they show, like most others is really a cylinder or rounded
rectangle with a done cap, which isn't nearly a whole hemispere.

 Eric
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Are there any kits for making model geodesic domes, or any
instructions for making model domes from thin wood or plastic sheets?
I have the vague impression that you start with triangles and just
keep splicing the edges together, but I'm sure there's more to it than
that.  I'd like to be able to build a model dome or three about the
size of a basketball.

Thanks!


William Smith    wpns@compusmiths.com    N1JBJ@amsat.org
ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc.    www.compusmiths.com
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check out the papers on my site. http://w3.one.net/~monkey

- Dave

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Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 5:20 AM
Subject: Model dome kits?


>Are there any kits for making model geodesic domes, or any
>instructions for making model domes from thin wood or plastic sheets?
>I have the vague impression that you start with triangles and just
>keep splicing the edges together, but I'm sure there's more to it than
>that.  I'd like to be able to build a model dome or three about the
>size of a basketball.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>William Smith    wpns@compusmiths.com    N1JBJ@amsat.org
>ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc.    www.compusmiths.com
>
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From:         Brian Hutchings <r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US>
Subject:      Re: HUGE DOMES

MESSAGE from ="List 28-APR-1999  2:35
 On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Joe S Moore wrote:

 > Temcor now says that they can build domes of about 1000' diameter ("over 300
 > meters"); see:
 > http://www.temcor.com/profile.html
 >
 >
   The stadium they show, like most others is really a cylinder or rounded
 rectangle with a done cap, which isn't nearly a whole hemispere.

  Eric
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<<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      28-APR-1999  3:29
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 you mean, a half-cylinder with 2 henispherical caps?
    "geodesically" there is very little distinction
 between the "dome" and the "dome + vault",
 as with surface-to-area ratios.  the strngth
 of the compound-curvature is carried by the simple-curvature
 of the vault (if you removed the "caps",
 the whole thing might buckle to the ground).
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      28-APR-1999  4:21
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 or I should say, it wouldn't really "fold" so easily, since
 there do not have to be any fold-lines of trigonal edges,
 that are parallel to the "straight" geodesics (and the axis
 of the cylinder; the 3-way 'vectors" ought to stabilize the 2-degrees-
 of-freedom (s0-called) surface.

 thus saith:

   you mean, a half-cylinder with 2 henispherical caps?
      "geodesically" there is very little distinction
   between the "dome" and the "dome + vault",
   as with surface-to-area ratios.  the strngth
   of the compound-curvature is carried by the simple-curvature
   of the vault (if you removed the "caps",
   the whole thing might buckle to the ground).

 The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net
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Subject:      Re: WHAT THE WORLD WANTS

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      28-APR-1999  4:45
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
 oh, yeah; Utopia and/or Oblivion -- which ever comes, next!
    I have really never seen such a coherently "jacobin" programme;
 mon Dieu!...  some of the "wants" are certainly inarguable,
 others *strictly* and badly utopian, and some just ignorant slogans, if
 you consider the "analysis situs" of the situation
 (you'll be, there, then -- quite shortly !-)
    in short, it's sort of a watered-up Fabian Socialist rant,
 which has never cared a whit for anyone, if you look
 into the wroks of Bertrand Russell, HGWells ad vomitorium:
 the "World Encyclopedia" is going to tellyou what to do, next --
 just wait, prayerfully!

 thus quoth:
 "What the World Wants" interactive chart at World Game:
  http://www.worldgame.org/wwwproject/

  18 Strategies for Confronting the Major Systemic Problems Confronting
  Humanity:

  Introduction
  What We Have and What We Want
  Synergies of the Whole

  1. Eliminate Starvation and Malnourishment
  2. Provide Health Care & AIDS Control
  3. Provide Shelter
  4. Provide Clean Safe Water
  5. Eliminate Illiteracy
  6. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Efficiency
  7. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Renewables
  8. Retire Developing Nations Debt
  9. Stabilize Population
  10. Prevent Soil Erosion
  11. Stop Deforestation
  12. Stop Ozone Depletion
  13. Prevent Acid Rain
  14. Prevent Global Warming
  15. Remove Landmines
  16. Refugee Relief
  17. Eliminating Nuclear Weapons
  18. Build Democracy


 so, building democracy is a republican effort, and
 don't you forget it.  America; love it or we'll fertilize it --
 with your blood!

 --The End Wa Nigh!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm
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William,

The following web pages may help you:
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/DomesModels.htm
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/GeomModels.htm

Joe S Moore
mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of William P.N.
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:47 PM
> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> Subject: Model dome kits?
>
> Are there any kits for making model geodesic domes, or any
> instructions for making model domes from thin wood or plastic sheets?
> I have the vague impression that you start with triangles and just
> keep splicing the edges together, but I'm sure there's more to it than
> that.  I'd like to be able to build a model dome or three about the
> size of a basketball.
>
> Thanks!
>
> William Smith    wpns@compusmiths.com    N1JBJ@amsat.org
> ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc.    www.compusmiths.com
>
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Please check out the new picture of Bucky and Anne page four.

http://homelink.net/~syntrivity/index.html

This is the Captains Cabin of Space Ship Earth.
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Ok

Brian Hutchings wrote:

> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      28-APR-1999  4:45
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>  oh, yeah; Utopia and/or Oblivion -- which ever comes, next!
>     I have really never seen such a coherently "jacobin" programme;
>  mon Dieu!...  some of the "wants" are certainly inarguable,
>  others *strictly* and badly utopian, and some just ignorant slogans, if
>  you consider the "analysis situs" of the situation
>  (you'll be, there, then -- quite shortly !-)
>     in short, it's sort of a watered-up Fabian Socialist rant,
>  which has never cared a whit for anyone, if you look
>  into the wroks of Bertrand Russell, HGWells ad vomitorium:
>  the "World Encyclopedia" is going to tellyou what to do, next --
>  just wait, prayerfully!
>
>  thus quoth:
>  "What the World Wants" interactive chart at World Game:
>   http://www.worldgame.org/wwwproject/
>
>   18 Strategies for Confronting the Major Systemic Problems Confronting
>   Humanity:
>
>   Introduction
>   What We Have and What We Want
>   Synergies of the Whole
>
>   1. Eliminate Starvation and Malnourishment
>   2. Provide Health Care & AIDS Control
>   3. Provide Shelter
>   4. Provide Clean Safe Water
>   5. Eliminate Illiteracy
>   6. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Efficiency
>   7. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Renewables
>   8. Retire Developing Nations Debt
>   9. Stabilize Population
>   10. Prevent Soil Erosion
>   11. Stop Deforestation
>   12. Stop Ozone Depletion
>   13. Prevent Acid Rain
>   14. Prevent Global Warming
>   15. Remove Landmines
>   16. Refugee Relief
>   17. Eliminating Nuclear Weapons
>   18. Build Democracy
>
>  so, building democracy is a republican effort, and
>  don't you forget it.  America; love it or we'll fertilize it --
>  with your blood!
>
>  --The End Wa Nigh!
>  http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm
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Date:         Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:50:07 -0700
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Subject:      Re: WHAT THE WORLD WANTS

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      30-APR-1999  2:50
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 OK, let's just take the most dubious "wants" in order,
 keeping in mind that they are mostly ultra-PC tokens
 of a post-deconstructionist some thing --
 that's what we're here, for!

 7. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Renewables -- define your terms, here;
 I'm reasonably aware of Bucky's promulgations, like his citation
 of the awesome power of a single hurricane, but his ditty
 about "petroleum" as a bygone, relic product of dinosaur teats is,
 mostly, straight from the maw of Obnoxico (commercial cartoons
 from Mobil e.g., whether they believe it, or not, Madison Avenue does.
 the so-called energy crisis of'73 was totally manipulated, although
 I don't quite recall the author-witness that I saw, mya,
 revealing this -- why does Doctor Sir Henry the K.always seem
 to pop-up in these exposes?)  keep in mind, also, Brian's dictum;
 How do you grow dope under a solar-collector?...  Gro-Lites!

 12. Stop Ozone Depletion
 13. Prevent Acid Rain14
 14. Prevent Global Warming -- well, maybe I should pass on these;
 after all, a monumental exercise like the UN-IPCC *must* have some
 of those "tactical forces" at their dysposal -- Captains Planet ?!?

 17. Eliminating Nuclear Weapons
 15. Remove Landmines -- well, now, we're *really* getting
 in to some sticky wicket, but we all know that (if not how)
 it is that the dead Princess' cause was used
 to attack President Clinton, and to destabilize the Koreas
 (at a time when one is starving, and the other "contagioned").
 I'll leave criticism of St.Caldicott for later, though.

 thus quoth:
    1. Eliminate Starvation and Malnourishment
    2. Provide Health Care & AIDS Control
    3. Provide Shelter
    4. Provide Clean Safe Water
    5. Eliminate Illiteracy
    6. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Efficiency
    7. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Renewables
    8. Retire Developing Nations Debt
    9. Stabilize Population
    10. Prevent Soil Erosion
    11. Stop Deforestation
    12. Stop Ozone Depletion
    13. Prevent Acid Rain
    14. Prevent Global Warming
    15. Remove Landmines
    16. Refugee Relief
    17. Eliminating Nuclear Weapons
    18. Build Democracy
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hutchings <r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US>
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Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: WHAT THE WORLD WANTS


><<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings
30-APR-1999  2:50
>                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
> OK, let's just take the most dubious "wants" in order,
> keeping in mind that they are mostly ultra-PC tokens
> of a post-deconstructionist some thing --
> that's what we're here, for!
>
> 7. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Renewables -- define your
terms, here;
> I'm reasonably aware of Bucky's promulgations, like his
citation
> of the awesome power of a single hurricane, but his ditty
> about "petroleum" as a bygone, relic product of dinosaur
teats is,
> mostly, straight from the maw of Obnoxico (commercial
cartoons
> from Mobil e.g., whether they believe it, or not, Madison
Avenue does.
> the so-called energy crisis of'73 was totally manipulated,
although
> I don't quite recall the author-witness that I saw, mya,
> revealing this -- why does Doctor Sir Henry the K.always
seem
> to pop-up in these exposes?)  keep in mind, also, Brian's
dictum;
> How do you grow dope under a solar-collector?...
Gro-Lites!
>
> 12. Stop Ozone Depletion
> 13. Prevent Acid Rain14
> 14. Prevent Global Warming -- well, maybe I should pass on
these;
> after all, a monumental exercise like the UN-IPCC *must*
have some
> of those "tactical forces" at their dysposal -- Captains
Planet ?!?
>
> 17. Eliminating Nuclear Weapons
> 15. Remove Landmines -- well, now, we're *really* getting
> in to some sticky wicket, but we all know that (if not
how)
> it is that the dead Princess' cause was used
> to attack President Clinton, and to destabilize the Koreas
> (at a time when one is starving, and the other
"contagioned").
> I'll leave criticism of St.Caldicott for later, though.
>
> thus quoth:
>    1. Eliminate Starvation and Malnourishment
>    2. Provide Health Care & AIDS Control
>    3. Provide Shelter
>    4. Provide Clean Safe Water
>    5. Eliminate Illiteracy
>    6. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Efficiency
>    7. Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Renewables
>    8. Retire Developing Nations Debt
>    9. Stabilize Population
>    10. Prevent Soil Erosion
>    11. Stop Deforestation
>    12. Stop Ozone Depletion
>    13. Prevent Acid Rain
>    14. Prevent Global Warming
>    15. Remove Landmines
>    16. Refugee Relief
>    17. Eliminating Nuclear Weapons
>    18. Build Democracy
>

Stabilize Population?
Even Fuller pointed out that the planet could
support at least double the population.

And what's with the emphasis on Aids?
What about the epidemic called violence?
And why only control Aids, why not eliminate it?

 Numbers 6 and 7 are basically the same thing
not to mention (but I will) that in pursuit of 6 and
7 you'll find a lot of the environmental stuff will get
handled.

Another inconsistency is priority.
An example is; refugee stuff is now an emergency
building democracy is a long term thing and democracy
isn't built but it evolves, well except in the U.K.

And lastly, if I mght add, communication is most probably
priority numero uno. And cumminication isn't even on the
list.

Retire Nations debts? Uncle Brians global cabal conspiracy
 research would colapse and he would then be left with
no other option but to hang out on UFO web sites.
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On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, William P.N. Smith wrote:
> Are there any kits for making model geodesic domes, or any
> instructions for making model domes from thin wood or plastic sheets?
> I have the vague impression that you start with triangles and just
> keep splicing the edges together, but I'm sure there's more to it than
> that.  I'd like to be able to build a model dome or three about the
> size of a basketball.

GEODESIC DOMES
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Everything You Need is Here or Linked to Here - Explore!
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