From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 11 17:21:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from acsu.buffalo.edu (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.57]) by linux00.LinuxForce.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with SMTP id g9BLLkmd019028 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:21:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200210112121.g9BLLkmd019028@linux00.LinuxForce.net> Received: (qmail 11183 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2002 21:21:47 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (listserv@128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Oct 2002 21:21:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:21:31 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Buffalo (1.8e)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9908" To: Chris Fearnley Content-Length: 721646 Lines: 15745 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:37:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "P. O. Box 2321" Subject: Synergetics & Tesselation Comments: To: Synergetics Listserv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Next week I am going to facilitate a group activity at a homeless shelter (average age: 17) on the theme 'tesselation.' I have great examples of M. C. Escher, tesselation in architecture around the world, and several how-to guides. What I would like to add to this activity is some synergetics. Fuller wrote at length about closest packing of spheres, octet-truss all-space-filling, closest packing of rods, etc. - mostly 'three dimentional' (in synergetics, four dimensional) objects. Did he at any point write about 'two dimensional' (ie 'flat') tesselation? I have built two geodesic domes with these people and brought in / made jitterbugs (aka vector equilibruims aka cuboctahedrons). Replies received by Sunday 31 July 1999 night most likely to be put into use (sorry for the short notice) but this is likely an activity that will happen again in the future. Many thanks! - Trevor Blake -- http://www.box2321.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:00:04 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: *SEMI-MONTHLY POSTING* - GEODESIC 'how-to' info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the semi-monthly "How To" file about the GEODESIC list. It has info on content and purpose of the list, as well as subscription info, posting instructions, etc. It should prove useful to new subscribers, as well as those who are unfamiliar with LISTSERV operations. This message is being posted on Sun Aug 1 00:00:02 PDT 1999. 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Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:16:31 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: "new" NATO terror <> Brian Hutchings 01-AUG-1999 14:16 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, I'm still hobbled by lack of linkages to any personal hypospace, due to no-one's fault, including my own (having forgiven Traders Mike and Dick !-) what "comes down" from time to time from me (us) is a concern that is interestingly contrasted with some of the stuff that is represesented herein, also, as Buckythought, such as the need for whacking the empirical IMF structure over their lack of foresight in bombing the Hell out of a regioun, and its main artery of transport, but not being able to "find the money" to clean it up. afterwards, a la Marshall Planning. this is whether you are thinking in terms of Bucky's sort of planned solescence, or also in terms of sovereign nations. (excuse me; what I *throw up* .-) anyway, my paltry letter seems to have been unneeded, for SACEUR Gen.Clark was given an unceremoniuos booting-out, albeit not really til next April. that goes with the negotiated award to the Chinese, as excellent diplomacy a la Clinton, and Tenet's "responsibility" is nothing, compared to Clark's, as he was the one who instituted the change of the targetting to a "realtime" computer-assisted one for the harried pilot. as for Sudan, there is still a massive effort by the Tories in State to have a war, beginning with the creation of those "no fly zones". it was reported in the Sunday (early edition) Times that Sudan actually had 2 suspects in the embassy bombing, but they were not allowed to be extradited (or what ever) by these amazing Yahoo!s (did you hear of Albright's latest song-and-dance at ASEAN ?-) the piece was too tiny to really say much about what really happenned, about 2 column-inches, next to the fold. of course, the Administration could not make Clark apologize, so they got a patsy to do it (whether he deserves it, or not, is another questionne de jour .-) thus quoth: This is a thread I follow, but not on GEODESIC. Tenet testified before Congress re his "ultimate responsibility" for the snafu, with $4 million in recompense another hot-on-its-heels story. --Candidate in Tow! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:19:40 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Spaceship Girth (Central Texas) <> Brian Hutchings 01-AUG-1999 15:19 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Well, I'm probably going to be put to sleep, in my sleep, for saying this, but then it won't much matter to me. I mean, I do appreciate the intent, I hope but, on the other hand, I get the vague impression of the Republic of Texas Meets Dymaxion Man -- not just of the normal (?) big-thinking of All Real (Union-loving) Texans. More to the point (and this is where the Yahoo!s start to loadin'their rifles), we can also sort-of-see the perfervid ghost of Arnold Toynbee hitting the Dymaxion Windshield --much more than walkin'in Ellay, a car is required in Central Texas!-- as could only matter with a spook of the Brudish Umpire, such as he, based from the old haunt of Vanderbilt U. I mean, getting back to the ambiguity in "Utopia or Oblivion", why not have your cake & blow it "up", two -- shall we *all* blow cake? I am mostly referring to the utopian ideals of Bucky, himself, but Kirby did give us an awfully important clue, which is perfectly coherent with the *mellieu* of the Transcenders. (Hopefully, you won't take me too seriously, and yourself a bit less, nor take Toynbee as both your old and new testaments of civilization; eh ?-) So, I'm just going to quote some of your *spiel*, below, mister Lawson, and comment on top of it, later. thus quoth: I just read your letter regarding EPCOT Center (http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/docs/epnote1.html) thus quoth: The pavilion housing the World Game can be converted for other uses. It can host a World Game in the daytime and convert to play soccer (the official sport of the Spaceship Earth Science City) or to host a concert that night. thus quoth: Mass-producing advanced life-support technologies, such as Dwelling Machines, and spawning other Spaceship Earth Science Cities around the globe, are the primary purposes of the Spaceship Earth Science City. In addition to production facilities, the Spaceship Earth Science City will be a theme park and tourist attraction, convention and trade center, sports and entertainment arena, research, development and prototyping facility, training and education center, media and entertainment development center, and will have many other additional facilities such as 'space-farms.' It will be a model city for a 21st century scientific civilization. It will have all of the facilities of a conventional city. thus quoth: indication that Central Texas is a prime location for building the most advance high-tech center that our 21st century technological civilization can achieve. Local authorities believe that the Central Texas area, between Houston, Austin and Dallas-Fort Worth is primed for the establishment of a high-tech center. They say that it's only a matter of time. Experts that were paramount in establishing Austin, Texas as a high-tech center have been hired as thus quoth: agricultural infrastructure that must be moved into the Space Age, Texas growing wind energy industry and dying oil industry, mild climate, close proximity to other theme parks thus quoth: other infrastructure in the region. It's central location in the United States, and all the major population centers in Texas, has made Central Texas an ever increasingly popular thus quoth: Investors are standing in line waiting for a venture like this to open up. Investors will continue to shuffle their money around wrecking havoc on the world's economy until a venture like this comes along that represents a viable transition from the old economy of scarcity to the thus quoth: clear alternative to the Apocalyptic doomsday prophecy of David Korish that Waco, Texas has come to symbolize, and which it can't seem to shake off. The tragedy in Waco and the Spaceship Earth Science City symbolize humanities race between utopia thus quoth: buckminsterfullerene, "the Official Molecule of the State of Texas." When I have time, I'll explain why the superconducting-supercolider, formerly slated for construction in Central Texas, was domed to failure from it's inception, and why the R. Buckminster Fuller Spaceship Earth Science City, strategically located in Central Texas, is destined for success. For now, I'll leave with these quotes from Cosmography. thus quoth: completely eliminating all irrational, imaginary, and irresolvable numbers and complex formulae. It is amazing that technology has been able to produce what it thus quoth: Please make note of the Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity: the Official Event of the Third Millennium (tm). The Countdown will include the First Annual Dwelling Machine Design and Trade Show, Food for Everyone: Trade Show of Space Age Agricultural Technology, and the Neumatic Universe (tm): A Dramatic Neu World of Pneumatic Technology (tm) Trade Show of Pneumatic Science and Technology. These design and tradeshows will be held under the banner of, the Design Science Exposition (tm): The Official Trade Show of the Millennial Design Science Revolution (tm). These events, scheduled for July 12-20, 2001, need sponsors and coordinators right away. --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:02:07 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: Spaceship Girth (Central Texas) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Hutchings wrote: > > (Hopefully, you won't take me too seriously, If you insist than I must comply. As long as you remain at your current level of coherency, you have nothing to fear! >and yourself a bit less, People take their entertainments very seriously, far more seriously than the work which they do grudgingly because they have to do it! A Spaceship Earth Science City is more seriously relevant than the facades that make up a Disney World, EPCOT Center and other theme parks, and yet it can provide all of the gaiety and entertainments that they offer, and much more; a 21st century adventure vacation that you won't want to miss. People will flock to watch the final countdown to complete physical success for all humanity. They'll no longer want to pay to see shallow mockups like EPCOT Center. They'll tour the Spaceship Earth Science City and see progress in action, and they'll replicate it around the world. The mind takes symbols very seriously, more seriously than anything else. Image is everything to the human mind, and you can't change that. The Disneys and corporations of the world invest heavily in the creation of metaphysical symbols that will inspire the public to part with their dollars in the belief that they are buying something that gives real substance to their longings and dreams. All they get is a facade that crumbles in their hands, but they don't stop buying it, such is the power that symbols have over us. The power in the Spaceship Earth Science City, and all of the works I've created, lies not in it's material manifestation, as relevant as that may be, but in it's metaphysical symbolism; a metaphysical symbolism that can inspire humanity to realize our greatest longings and dreams for the material fulfillment of humanity. It's a wise investment for a savvy marketer like Disney. I apologize. I guess I took myself more seriously than I intended for this posting. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:51:22 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Spaceship Girth (Central Texas) Comments: To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree but do not say this on the syn list it would be spamming and uncle kirby will kick you off for having and idea that was not his! C.R. 1999 MSM. His list is very isolated. just like his mind. Arrogant icicles dripping from his chin. Let me have more Fuller power and I will be a teacher of synergetics some day, maybe and not just watch the rest rooms for est. You must be disciplined my way he states no spamming any cool ideas that I have never heard of or that are not in the book! I have children so give me a break so I can look good. Don't make people think I am over specialized till after they grow up. Kirby, why is precession not so important in synergetics again, now because it is a spiral? You can do better than that can't you? You state there is no orbit in synergetics. I have your post here that states that? I do not think you know what you volume is that you live in. Spaceship Earth wrote: > Brian Hutchings wrote: > > > > (Hopefully, you won't take me too seriously, > > If you insist than I must comply. As long as you remain at > your current level of coherency, you have nothing to fear! > > >and yourself a bit less, > > People take their entertainments very seriously, far more > seriously than the work which they do grudgingly because they > have to do it! A Spaceship Earth Science City is more seriously > relevant than the facades that make up a Disney World, EPCOT > Center and other theme parks, and yet it can provide all of > the gaiety and entertainments that they offer, and much more; > a 21st century adventure vacation that you won't want to > miss. People will flock to watch the final countdown to > complete physical success for all humanity. They'll no longer > want to pay to see shallow mockups like EPCOT Center. They'll > tour the Spaceship Earth Science City and see progress in > action, and they'll replicate it around the world. > > The mind takes symbols very seriously, more seriously than > anything else. Image is everything to the human mind, and you > can't change that. The Disneys and corporations of the world > invest heavily in the creation of metaphysical symbols that > will inspire the public to part with their dollars in the > belief that they are buying something that gives real > substance to their longings and dreams. All they get is a > facade that crumbles in their hands, but they don't stop > buying it, such is the power that symbols have over us. The > power in the Spaceship Earth Science City, and all of the > works I've created, lies not in it's material manifestation, > as relevant as that may be, but in it's metaphysical > symbolism; a metaphysical symbolism that can inspire humanity > to realize our greatest longings and dreams for the material > fulfillment of humanity. It's a wise investment for a savvy > marketer like Disney. > > I apologize. I guess I took myself more seriously than I > intended for this posting. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:11:46 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Ephemeralization Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are spamming your list here and this is much more a sin than my one time try to help Rose finance his project if he found a buyer for my now sold bus company inwhich you kicked me off the list on your birthday for. Happy birthday you selfish king of spam. Keep advertising your list over here and then when they get there tell them that you are the only one that really knows what is true, that the Fuller family is no where and the bfi is no where because you started the only thing they had going their net site and then you turned on them and attacked them and spread rumors behind their back and you attacked them for years and when I come on and disclose your stupid acts, you kick me off your list for truth being made. Now you come over here and advertise your list, or spam it. Please I do not want to hear your lists name over here with your spam. It is an isolated egomaniac lists that has no bearing on Fuller more than ripping off good for bad politics. I have e-mailed with Ed Applewhite about you as well as other board memebers, and BFI big wiggs. You should apologize to the Fuller family for all your insults and your insults to the BFI. Please! :-) If you do not you shall be darth vader. Your lack of sacridity to the loved ones of Bucky and Anne Fuller is wrong to have spammed all these years. With out them you would have nothing to put in your site. All I ask is for you to apologize and if you do let me back on your site and teach you synergetics. You have no idea what you are talking about. I will only respond to questions and I will never mention the Darth Vaderness of your past life again, if you do not. Deal! other wise i will attack you from all truth from now on! Your trying to corner the market in a new tech tool and hold ground to you and stop the truth of the integrity of others to grow is over. Kirby Urner wrote: > 'Synergetics' contains this model of apprehension versus > comprehension. > > "Apprehension" has these secondary meanings of "apprehensive" > (anxious) and "to apprehend" (as in "to snag a culprit", which > culprit might be apprehensive about his/her possible > apprehension). > > "Comprehension" doesn't have such a downside, at least not > in my book. > > In Buckyverse, awareness is inevitably associated with "lag" > and "sorting through". The special cases events flow into > the stack for processing. But only upon reconsideration > and reflection do the puzzle pieces start fitting into > place (or not). The apprehensive phase is like when a > lot of facts and figments are in some kind of holding > pattern, sometimes nagging at one's consciousness, but > are not yet "digested" (in the sense of comprehended). > Everything is kind of "up in the air". > > The "eternal now" is posited as operational in pure principle, > is conceptualized maybe as a pin-point of concentrated > intelligence, an omega of instantaneous comprehension. This > is the black hole of "cosmic zero" towards which the special > cases gravitate. But as mortal awarenesses, it's always the > discordant haze of only partially comprehended material > which bedevils our subjectivity, is the content of Universe > itself, as cosmic zero is Nothing, or Empty. > > So the temporeal is the lagged, is the semi-comprehended, > is the unsorted, the unsequenced, and is the raw material > of awareness. As it compacts towards a center, it "densifies" > by gaining symmetry. However, it also ephemeralizes, as > the special cases lose their identity in pure logic, become > manifestations of operational mathematics, of pure principles. > This is the big bang model in reverse, a "big crunch" wherein > every aspect of Universe is reconciled to its principled, > metaphysical origins (outside of time -- definitely resonates > with Teilhard's model). > > Fuller hoped that "networks and networking" would help > transform humanity from class II to class I style evolution. > Class II is backing into the future responding nature's > cues for the wrong reasons, focussing on an institutionalized > [set of rules -- KU] containing lots of misinformation and > buggy code. Class I is responding the nature's cues for the > right reasons. > > "Working to survive" is an aspect of both, i.e. it's not > the case that Class I is about "altruism" whereas Class II > is about "completely selfish self-interest". On the contrary, > it is in our selfish self-interest to tackle humanity's > problems more comprehensively and anticipatorily than > hitherto, because we have tools to address our predicatment > that we didn't before, whereas futzing around in politics > is often to indulge in yesteryear's practice of ever putting > off and delaying action -- because we didn't have the tools, > and really there was no way (something you didn't want to > say directly, hence the fine art of political rhetoric). > > The World Wide Web is a kind of synaptic structure which > feeds our awareness by allowing us to "connect the dots" > more rapidly. This isn't to discount the fact that the > web is replete with misinformation, nor is it to discount > the importance and relevance of other networks (e.g. the > television networks) when it comes to speeding the digestion > of global data, special case events, as per more principles- > informed models (such as are furnished by general systems > theory). But the web stands out because of its metaphoric > attributes -- it seems a lot like a topology of edges and > vertices, with web pages as vertices and edges as hyperlinks. > > Kirby > > For further reading: > http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/system.html > http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/gstuniv.html > > Cross-posted from: > > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:19:13 -0700 > To: "synergetics-l" > From: Kirby Urner > Subject: [synergetics-l] Comprehension vs. Apprehension ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:20:20 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Ephemeralization In-Reply-To: <37A5A721.FDECB6C9@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:11:46 +0000, you wrote: >You are spamming your list here and this is much more a sin than my one >time try to help Rose finance his project if he found a buyer for my now >sold bus company inwhich you kicked me off the list on your birthday >for. Actually, that's not why I kicked you off my list. I let you stay after that incident. =20 I kicked you off because you're incapable of having a coolheaded=20 discussion about synergetics, which is what we'd started over there=20 (even as this tired old flame war was going on over here). I just=20 wanted to protect my subscribers from the kinds of attack posts you=20 specialize in -- that's not what they signed up for. You simply=20 don't know how to behave yourself. Not my problem. The GEODESIC list is apparently more liberal than mine, more open to all comers. As it says on my Syn-L home page (which hasn't=20 changed since before you joined it): Membership is revocable =20 4D Solutions reserves the right to unsubscribe, suspend,=20 or permanently ban any poster who consistently spams the=20 list with irrelevant posts.=20 [http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/Synergetics-L/synl.html] So how about you get over it already? Nobody here seems to care=20 that you've been banned from my e-list. Happens every day. Not=20 a big deal. Live with it and shut up already, how about? I think=20 we're all quite weary of your endless ranting. There's naturally partial overlap between what goes to GEODESIC and Synergetics-L. Sometimes what goes here goes there and vice versa. I'm not the only one who cross-posts to both, and when=20 you were a subscriber to both, you cross-posted more than anyone,=20 either before or since. So what's your problem? Nevermind,=20 forget I asked. Kirby Listowner Synergetics-L ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:54:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Anderson Subject: a short paper... A new short paper is available on my site, Full Sphere Geodesic Surfaces http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/fullsphere Nothing groundbreaking: a reconciliation of my patch techniques into whole geodesics. But there are some nice and unique images... - Dave http://w3.one.net/~monkey ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:37:23 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: a short paper... In-Reply-To: <002501bedd5b$9360a720$7c7932d1@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:54:58 -0400, you wrote: >A new short paper is available on my site, > > Full Sphere Geodesic Surfaces >http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/fullsphere > >Nothing groundbreaking: a reconciliation of my patch techniques into = whole >geodesics. But there are some nice and unique images... > >- Dave http://w3.one.net/~monkey Yes, cool pix. Black and orange. Yum. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:21:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: a short paper... Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Comments: cc: monkey@one.net >> Full Sphere Geodesic Surfaces >>http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/fullsphere > >Yes, cool pix. Black and orange. Yum. Kirby Yeah, I agree. Very nice -- and the superprojected and flat edged patches, made as full spherical models, were quite illuminating. It's hard, sometimes, to visualize what a patch will look like as a full model. -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:37:25 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: BFI NEWSLETTER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BFI's latest newsletter (6-99) is available at: http://www.bfi.org/Lauren/Trimtab/t699a.htm Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:09:43 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Empemeralization Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is you started this as you say flame war not me, and you also did this with the Fuller family and the BFI. I wish only to allow those who come in a new - see that you do not in any way represent something worth trusting with the great mind of R. Buckminster Fuller and that your constant statements that Ed Applewhite is on your side with this is not true. Your spamming this list for your syn list is an advertisement for disaster to the Fuller force and I wish to spam you back when ever you are around. I feel that this is symbiotic to protecting the Fuller family and the bfi from your slandering them throughout the last 4 years of your list. I am the only one that has fought you back to your corner of isolation and Ken Starr-ness. Tell me what patterns of synergetics will duplicate them selves from mid face vertexes? What you are protecting your lists observers from is your lack of sharing ideas with others that have something more than your struck model ideas. My experience with Fuller dwarfs yours like and Arabian Bank. You would be most rewarded to eat crow and say you are sorry to the Family and the BFI and let me contribute to synergetics. Inclusive not exclusive is the way of the Fuller Force my friend Darth. To communicate about the foundation of ideas is what I am doing. You are not to be trusted till you show love for your elders here. If the Geo list wants to go down your road of est and guard the rest rooms and not have an open list flow of ideas then they will lose the spirit as your list has. The spirit of freedom you will not allow. If you have love in your heart you will know from the very start your love will be returned. If with hate you fill your heart you will know from he very start the hate will be at your gate. This is the difference from me and you. You want to protect you and your isolated friends that you have conned into thinking you know something about bucky and his ideas, I will forgive you for this ego animalistic power struggle and not bother you if you only love and trust that if you ask for the mistake to be healed, but you are to arrogant to do this. So live with the truth that you are isolated in your ego world, I only wish to allow others not to get caught in your trap with you and will now and then come in and say look at Kirby he is better than all us average people he is the one that put the bfi and the family down, and he is the king of the fuller hill. But do not see him as end all, see all, for his is a cheap shot con man for Fuller power and should be looked at as not main stream, for he will not allow for mistakes in himself, and say he is sorry and allow the Fuller camp to be at ease. He will not preserve the integrity of the family, he is better than them and the bfi, he is the master list owner of the shitlist, I mean synlist. Please Kirby let me back on the list I beg you? You call this a flame war, you stated it, I call it allowing the truth to be know about the resources of R. Buckminster Fuller and that is what this list is for. To identify who people are is the most improtant part of the communicaton between Humans. You lack the Human ability to love and forgive and consider comprehensivly the faults of others and forgive them. You will die before you allow your slander of the bfi and the fuller family to be forgiven. This is the big crunch of your integrity. The big bang of your ego. The horizon of your singularity, that you must win and take all, no forgiving, no consideration, kick off that inwhich you do not understand, and take no prisoners. Your spirit is not big enough to get away with doing what you have done to the bfi and the family. SAY YOU ARE SORRY! If you do not you are the smallest of men. Kirby Urner wrote: > On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:11:46 +0000, you wrote: > > >You are spamming your list here and this is much more a sin than my one > >time try to help Rose finance his project if he found a buyer for my now > >sold bus company inwhich you kicked me off the list on your birthday > >for. > > Actually, that's not why I kicked you off my list. I let you stay > after that incident. > > I kicked you off because you're incapable of having a coolheaded > discussion about synergetics, which is what we'd started over there > (even as this tired old flame war was going on over here). I just > wanted to protect my subscribers from the kinds of attack posts you > specialize in -- that's not what they signed up for. You simply > don't know how to behave yourself. Not my problem. > > The GEODESIC list is apparently more liberal than mine, more open > to all comers. As it says on my Syn-L home page (which hasn't > changed since before you joined it): > > Membership is revocable > > 4D Solutions reserves the right to unsubscribe, suspend, > or permanently ban any poster who consistently spams the > list with irrelevant posts. > > [http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/Synergetics-L/synl.html] > > So how about you get over it already? Nobody here seems to care > that you've been banned from my e-list. Happens every day. Not > a big deal. Live with it and shut up already, how about? I think > we're all quite weary of your endless ranting. > > There's naturally partial overlap between what goes to GEODESIC > and Synergetics-L. Sometimes what goes here goes there and vice > versa. I'm not the only one who cross-posts to both, and when > you were a subscriber to both, you cross-posted more than anyone, > either before or since. So what's your problem? Nevermind, > forget I asked. > > Kirby > Listowner > Synergetics-L ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:35:16 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: BFI NEWSLETTER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the Book mark Joe! Wow the BFI is cooking noW! I sold the dome the same week the archive changed hands with out either of us knowing it prior. Synergy for the year 2000, dymaxion events. The keel of the ship of the Fuller Force is moving into the sea of humanity. What a huge ship, can you see it, bigger than the pyramids. I have sold the dome now and it has closed. William H. Perk is now in the process of making it a historical property and farther to make a Memorial Buckminster Fullerene Park. It will be final on August 11/ 99. Joe S Moore wrote: > BFI's latest newsletter (6-99) is available at: > http://www.bfi.org/Lauren/Trimtab/t699a.htm > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:00:01 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: Empemeralization Comments: cc: syntrivity@EARTHLINK.NET Michael, may I make an observation, and a suggestion? >The problem is you started this as you say flame war not me, This flame war is an essentially private matter, between you and Kirby. Why clutter the list with it? I appreciate that you're only defending yourself and what you believe, but why do it in such a public forum? Come on guys -- either stop it, or take it off list. >I wish only to allow those who come in a new - see that you >do not in any way represent something worth trusting with >the great mind of R. Buckminster Fuller and that your >constant statements that Ed Applewhite is on your side with Personally, I have never had a bad dealing with either you, or with Kirby. I have no inherent qualms against either one of you. As such, I won't make judgements about either one of you, except based specifically on the way you treat me. It seems that the constant "flame wars" are only serving to fan the flames of discontent and obscure some otherwise exceptional postings by other list members, for example David Anderson. BTW: David, I would like to say how much I appreciate your work with geodesic patch patterns, and your latest paper on full sphere constructs. Very nice work. -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:32:26 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Empemeralization Comments: To: "Michael S. Mitchell" In-Reply-To: <37A75A97.5548F7EB@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 21:09:43 +0000, you wrote: >The problem is you started this as you say flame war not me, Yawn. >constant statements that Ed Applewhite is on your side with No "constant statements" (unless you mean every time you=20 read earlier statements they're still the same ones). Ed's his own man and goes his own way. Probably on much=20 better footing with all concerned, given his history and=20 wisdom. I'm on my own vis-a-vis any dealings with the=20 BFI and haven't tried to drag Ed into it much (at least not beyond what's in the factual record, with my=20 inevitable bias). Ed just wrote to me a couple days ago. Short and to the point, as per usual. I replied, likewise very briefly. Anyway, it's all history by now. You can live in the past if you like, but I'm bored with this whole thread. Go=20 ahead and jump up and down about my doings if you like. Seems a waste of time to me, but it's your life, not mine (praise Allah). Keep informing newcomers with your semi-monthly slander if you like. Precessionally speaking, I think your=20 negative ad campaign is helping me ascend to even=20 greater levels power and control, so I can execute my=20 evil plan to completely transform Buckyverse in my own=20 image. Muuuuhahahahahhahahaha (guffaw). No time for the rest of this... Some other time maybe. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:58:45 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Empemeralization Comments: To: Charles J Knight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My concern is that only Kirby Urner apologize for slandering the Fuller family and the bfi for the last 4 years or so. If he would state this publicly I would not think of it again. He has on list slandered and insulted them on list, I only want to make an even playing field for all those posts from the last 4 years. I was a very good friend of Bucky and Anne. I will not let Kirby attack without being attacked back for the last 4 years of his insults. If he had the heart to say he was sorry then it is no longer a public matter. This is a corner stone issue in the fuller future. I only wish to see it set and forget about it. I when I stated enjoyed speaking of being with bucky and traveling with him and what I learned which is much different than anyone I know of on this list. I only wish to communicate that inwhich I have experienced and maybe someone would appreciate it. But along came Kirby with his your unitivity is bull S. and the bfi is no where and he doesn't care about anything but his list which is much more than anything that has ever happened in the Fuller camp. This is a public educational issue. If there is a vote of no confidence in the bfi then where do we go, to Kirby. This is my point. This makes for a rip in the Fuller Force caused by Darth Urner that is not appropriate for Bucky's integrity to be slandered. His lack of sacridity for the Fuller family and the bfi needs to be pointed out now and then. I do not wish to do anything more. I think this is a very important statement to make only because he has the syn list and in this place he is thought of as representing the bfi, for he uses the archive of Fuller to prove every point on the list. This is a bi-legaleze of conspiracy to the integrity of bucky. It is not right. He needs to be pointed out once a week.. I will post once a week then my document that attacks his artifacts of war on the Fuller legacy. How is that. I will find all his posts and put them in it to show the proof and then leave it at that, till he states he is sorry. Until then he has not answered my question, how many compound curvature, mid face cord isotropic volumes can reduplicate themselves in the universe? This is a basic synergetics fact that all should know. Which ones are they? What volume is the duplications? I am asking on G force models of course that are made on earth. All volumes are sub nano precessional events that are compound systemic. I like what David does as well. But this is not a social club it is a no hands tied truth club about the universe and its actions locally. KU has state this many times and I agree with him. The micro minded attitudes of most are not blown out enough to really get at Fuller's disciplined mind proximity's. One must be patient and the manager of this list is much more comprehensive than any on the whole net and I give him credit for that. He has not gone along with the club of kick off and think latter like the dome home list, which is the worst of the lot with the over specialization problem. Kirby's problem is a greed for need of attention by insulting the competition and using his techno-tools and early detection education with the net strategy to dominate and build his list for latter having the mayor of synergetics cigar in his mouth. This is Empermeralization - knowing the truth in a more simple and clear way of tooling for life and leaving integrity for the future humans to come. This is Empermeralization to me. It is by passing bull shit like Kirby and his miss information about the bfi, and not waiting for gestation rates and using remorse to attack for self gain. Now he has nothing to stand on for the Stanford library is much better than the Henry Ford Museum inwhich Kirby wanted to be the one hired to run it there when it went to Michigan. Now he has to eat crow for the Archive is in a much better spot and he can only attack the family now. This is the wrong way to help the Fuller force and I only want to clear out all his misinformation. Thank you for your time but it is not always cake and cookies to fight for what is right. The stakes are large and every degree of angle counts in this war of words to make the world work and everyone of us has their duty to fight for the truth as they see it and I thank you on this list for my time and I am not sorry to say what I see as the truth. Try it - it will not hurt you. Why not talk on the list and not just sit and lurk! I thank the list manager here very much and I do see that Kirby has contributed a lot over the years, but he then has used this advantage to eclipse the gestation rate of the bfi to mature and let the karma play out and use it to his own advantage to spam his syn list and politically dominate the net with his bull shit. SO I thank you for your time and my only reason for focusing on this has been to protect the Fuller Force and make it know that these new comers like Kirby who hardly met Fuller for more than an hour - IF SO! They are speculators for glory! My love goes out to the Fuller Family on Bear Island and to Edwin Schlossberg and his family as well. I am very sloppy and some times I may be not worthy to be on this list. Thank you for allowing me to think on screen with what little I do have to say and it may not be worthy of your time. It makes me feel better and I thank you all. Charles J Knight wrote: > Michael, may I make an observation, and a suggestion? > > >The problem is you started this as you say flame war not me, > > This flame war is an essentially private matter, between you and > Kirby. Why clutter the list with it? I appreciate that you're only > defending yourself and what you believe, but why do it in such a > public forum? > > Come on guys -- either stop it, or take it off list. > > >I wish only to allow those who come in a new - see that you > >do not in any way represent something worth trusting with > >the great mind of R. Buckminster Fuller and that your > >constant statements that Ed Applewhite is on your side with > > Personally, I have never had a bad dealing with either you, or > with Kirby. I have no inherent qualms against either one of > you. As such, I won't make judgements about either one of > you, except based specifically on the way you treat me. > > It seems that the constant "flame wars" are only serving to fan > the flames of discontent and obscure some otherwise exceptional > postings by other list members, for example David Anderson. > > BTW: David, I would like to say how much I appreciate your > work with geodesic patch patterns, and your latest paper on > full sphere constructs. Very nice work. > > -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:48:45 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Ephemeralization In-Reply-To: <19990804.130319.14342.0.c.knight@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Come on guys -- either stop it, or take it off list. > I agree. I took it off list three posts ago, writing everything to private email. But it's back. The way I'm seeing it, I'm tying off a few loose ends, as MSM scrapes the bottom of the bucket for new=20 allegations (Jaime Snyder banned from Synergetics-L,=20 false; dragging Ed Applewhite into the fray, false). =20 He makes them in public, I deny them in public. And=20 then we're done. I expect he has a few more up his sleave. Unless they look worth replying to, I'll let them go. After that, it's just endless repitition of allegations I've already laid to rest (from my point of view, even if he wants to recycle them). Like, I'm "this close" (hand symbol) to being finished with this thread. >It seems that the constant "flame wars" are only serving to fan >the flames of discontent and obscure some otherwise exceptional >postings by other list members, for example David Anderson. =46lame wars are difficult in some ways. In the short term, they're just clutter and a pain in the butt. In the longer term, they may be something people want to come back too. I've had some vitriolic exchanges with Brian Scott and=20 some math professor at Exeter that I think had some useful content (I've linked back to them from my website -- posted a few of them here, back when they were still going on). In other words, just because the temperature runs high=20 from time to time doesn't ipso facto mean everything in=20 the exchange is completely worthless. With the benefit=20 of hindsight, I think some "flame wars" will "mature"=20 (in the sense of paper securities) whereas others really are worthless garbage. Sometimes it's hard for anyone to know their value right at the time. MSM is a player, I'm a player. We have our differences. GEODESIC is a file cabinet. If people want to come here=20 and consult the file, they'll find what he and I have posted to one another. Possibly of some value having all this in the archives. Maybe not. Also, I've tried to use these posts to put in other info, not necessarily related. Historical tidbits, little matters of fact. All could be interesting to somebody, down the road. MSM's have likewise proved revealing on occasion..=20 I like the fact that this Listserv archives to the web=20 so conveniently. >BTW: David, I would like to say how much I appreciate your >work with geodesic patch patterns, and your latest paper on >full sphere constructs. Very nice work. > > -- Chuck Knight I agree with this assessment. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:21:31 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Countdown and Tradeshow Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit COUNTDOWN AND TRADESHOW UPDATE THE FIRST ANNUAL COUNTDOWN TO COMPLETE PHYSICAL SUCCESS FOR ALL HUMANITY (tm): THE OFFICIAL EVENT OF THE THIRD MILLENNIUM (tm) is scheduled for July 12-20, 2001, in Austin, Texas. The countdown is dedicated to the memory of R. Buckminster Fuller. The countdown will commemorate the life and work of R. Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, 1885, the first detonation of an nuclear bomb, July 16, 1945, and the first Apollo moon landing, July 20, 1969. These three events represent A PORTAL INTO HISTORY THAT WILL GUIDE US IN MEETING THE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE 21ST CENTURY. 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Thank you VERY much for the encouragement! It's been a long and lonely quest most of the time since I stumbled onto Bucky in 1970. For me it is an act of faith that sooner or later a lot of people will decide that they need a lot of Bucky info real fast. I am very lucky and privileged to be in a position to do full time (I'm retired) what I do. I amaze myself to think that I am my own self-taught webmaster at age 59. Anyway, enough about me. Again, thanks for the appreciation. Sincerely, Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message ----- From: David Culberson To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 6:14 PM Subject: BFI Newsletter > Hi Joe, > > The bfi site appears to be down. Can't get in since this morning. Your > site works fine. You have my apprecation for the great collection of > Bucky info and references. > > Regards, David Culberson > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:22:33 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: BFI Newsletter Comments: To: David Culberson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, For additional info about the "Now House" see: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/Domes-N.htm Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message ----- From: David Culberson To: Joe S Moore Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 12:35 PM Subject: Re: BFI Newsletter > Joe, > > Thanks for your reply. You're right about people needing a lot of Bucky > info. They just don't realize it yet. I'm absorbing all the Bucky info I > can and stocking up on his books and biographys by various authors. Have > you come by any info on John Warren's Turtle dome that Bucky was so > fascinated with? Robert Snyder's Bucky book has a page or two on it. BFI > site is coming through fine now. > > Regards, David Culberson > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:30:49 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Fw: GENI in Latin America! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message ----- From: GENI To: Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 4:51 PM Subject: GENI in Latin America! > On occasion, there is a significant leap forward in the progress of the > GENI Initiative. And there is those times when we definitely influenced > the process and policy-making. > > Latin America has enbraced this strategy for peace and sustainable > development! How? > Bill Richardson, US Energy Secretary, hosted all the Latin American Energy > Ministers last week in New Orleans as a part of the Summit of the Americas > begun in 1994. I was honored to be invited by the Department of Energy to > attend and set up our exhibit. > > First, we researched the web site for the conference: > www.americasenergy.org > Listed were all the North and South American ministers and contacts -- > about 50 people in all. > We pre-mailed a letter and substantive information package to each, > detailing the benefits and technical foundation of the strategy to > interconnect electrical systems. We asked them to consider this strategy > during the conference. > > What follows are 2 letters: > 1. The first is our cover letter (July 14th) sent to all the energy > ministers in the Western Hemisphere. > 2. The second is the Dept of Energy Press Release (July 29th) that states > their collective commitment: > "Energy Secretary Richardson Announces Joint Cross Border Transmission > Project" > > ((Please feel free to forward this to anyone who you think might be > interested.)) > > _________________ > > 14 July 1999 > > Bill Richardson > Secretary of Energy > US Dept of Energy > 1000 Independence Ave SW > Washington, DC 20585 USA > > Dear Mr. Richardson, > > RE: Electric Power Integration of Latin America -- Hemispheric Energy > Ministers Conference > > In Miami in 1994, the Summit of the Americas convened to foster sustainable > economic growth, increased trade and poverty alleviation. One key element > of that commitment was to cooperate on the common goal of creating > efficient, environmentally sound and secure energy markets. > > One of those goals included the electrical integration of power networks > between countries. Mercosur and the Central American nations are > progressing with regional power grids, and most nations have bilateral > energy links. The trend is positive -- yet the benefits of electrical > transmission integration remain unrealized to their highest potential: > > - load sharing between utilities > - emergency back-up power > - peak power saving through daytime power exchange > - deferral of additional capacity reqirements > - increased system reliability > - improved frequency and voltage control for operators > - ability to retire older and ecologically unsound generation > capacity > - increased trade between countries > > Canda and the U.S. are extensively interconnected, and both have > energy/capita figures that are 5 - 20 times the average citizen in Latin > America. But America runs primarily on fossil and nuclear fuels, while > Central and South America are blessed with ample hydro and geothermal > power. Power grid integration of this hemisphere will foster economic > growth and a cleaner environment. > > Please reconsider this stragegy while in New Orleans. I hope we have the > chance to meet personally. > > In partnership for the planet > Peter Meisen > President > > enclosures: > * GENI Newsletter, 2nd Quarter 1999 -- "Linking Electricity for Peace" > * IEEE Power Engineering Review: "Latin America Power Policy Reforms" > * Western Hemispheric Statistics: "Energy Consumption vs. Quality of Life > indicators" > * ENERLAC Paper: "Economic, Environmental and Developmental Benefits of > High-Voltage Interconnections between South and North America via Central > America and the Caribbean" > * The GENI Initiative with Endorsements translated into Spanish (4 pages) > _____________________________________ > > > DOE News (July 29, 1999) > > NEWS MEDIA CONTACTS FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > Jayne Brandy, 202/586-5806 July 29, 1999 > > Energy Secretary Richardson Announces Joint Cross Border Transmission > Project > Energy Department Teams with World Bank on Regional Electricity Venture > > New Orleans -- Secretary of Energy Bill Richardson today announced the > beginning of a joint cross-border electricity transmission project > co-sponsored by the World Bank and a South American Group, the Commission > for Integration of Elecriticy (CIER). The project will promote regional > integration in electricity systems and power markets in ten South American > countries. > > "This project highlights three of the issues we are discussing here at the > Hemispheric Energy Ministers Conference in New Orleans," said Secretary > Richardson. "It will reduce the cost and expand the reach of electricity > supply and mitigate the environmental impacts of production and > transmission in these South American countries and provide investment > opportunities for the private sector." > > The majority of the funding for the projcet, $430,000, will be provided by > the World Bank's Energy Sector Management Assistance Program. The > Department of Energy contributed $50,000 and the United States and South > American private sectors are also participating in the project. CIER which > represents major electricity producers in ten countries: Argentina, > Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Columbia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay, > Venezuela, will provide mostly in-kind funding of $225,000. > > The project, slated to begin in September, addresses technical, operational > and policy issues and will make recommendations on how to further expand > cross-border transmission interconnections and expand cooperative > electricity development among the South American Countries. The Energy > Department is taking an active role in the development and implementation > of the project and will act as facilitator during the project. > > End > > US DOE, Office of Public Affairs > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:47:32 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: We Can Do It Comments: To: Tetglobal , Tetworld Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The hallmark of Project Apollo was the 'can do' attitude. 'We can go to the moon. We can achieve the impossible. We can overcome all obstacles. And we can do it on time and make it look easy.' And they did! And in doing so they inspired the whole world to ask, 'If we can land a man on the moon, why can't we eliminate poverty, hunger, illiteracy and war?' So why haven't we been able to transfer that 'can do' attitude to the solving of world problems? Because we haven't been asking the right question! Einstein stated that, 'The formulation of the problem is often more essential than its solution.' The question has been addressed, 'If we can land a man on the moon "why can't we" eliminate poverty, hunger, illiteracy, and war,' not 'how can we.' It's a negative statement that immediately begs for excuses for why we can't do it. Because we haven't been stating the question as a positive 'can do' affirmation, we haven't been able to transfer the success of Apollo to the success of Spaceship Earth. Now that we've got that problem resolved, 'we can do it.' Now let's get to it. The Apollo Project for Spaceship Earth: Counting down 10 years to complete physical success for all humanity. Research shows that the most successful goal setting requires the establishment of and a commitment to a realistic but difficult timetable for the achievement of that goal. A difficult timetable must be set that gives urgency and immediacy to the task and focuses the mind intently upon it's achievement. The goal of landing man on the moon, and returning them safely to the Earth within a decade, contained all of these elements, and the goal was achieved two years ahead of schedule. 'A date should be set for freeing the world from poverty once and for all.' - Muhammad Yunus, Founder and director Grameen Bank of Bangladesh 'There is no example of any major undertaking in U.S. history that took longer than a decade to achieve. The transcontinental railroad, the Panama Canal, Hoover Dam, Project Apollo, and every war it won took roughly 10 years or less to complete.' - Timothy Morgan 'We have the capability, which can be fully realized within ten years, of producing and sustaining a higher standard of living for all humanity than that ever heretofore experienced or dreamt of by any. This is not an opinion or a hope - it is an engineeringly demonstrable fact. This can be done using only the already proven technology and with the already mined, refined, and in-recirculating physical resources. This will be an inherently sustainable physical success for all humanity and all its generations to come.' - Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:17:07 -0600 Reply-To: ecuador@egroups.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems Comments: To: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 'One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems is that of how to facilitate the swift development of all human individuals' discovery of all we know about human life on board Spaceship Earth at this moment in Universe -- and how so to learn in the shortest possible time.' -- Buckminster Fuller. Critical Path The scientific and academic establishment still cowers in the Dark Ages.' 'The dawn of scientific civilization is yet at hand. -- Buckminster Fuller. Cosmography p.63 'If man chooses oblivion, he can go right on leaving his fate to his political leaders. If he chooses Utopia, he must initiate an enormous educational program - immediately, if not sooner.' -- Buckminster Fuller "humanity largely unaware of its potential , might not exercise its options in time." -- Buckminster Fuller. Critical Path, p. 116 "All average human beings are magnificently endowed with creativity, and mysteriously capable of vastly more than any of us has ever assumed to be possible." -- Buckminster Fuller. Cosmography p. 260 'If the success or failure of this planet, and of human beings, depended on how I am and what I do; How would I be? What would I do?' - Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:38:48 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems Comments: To: ecuador@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love your ideas and support them. Thank you for the boiling away the sand from the gold. The information is the most important project of World Game. Electricity is not. But if it helps information get out. Then let it go. The highest priority is education though. As you have stated from critical path. No your talking. Spaceship Earth wrote: > 'One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems > is that of how to facilitate the swift development of all > human individuals' discovery of all we know about human life > on board Spaceship Earth at this moment in Universe -- and > how so to learn in the shortest possible time.' -- > Buckminster Fuller. Critical Path > > The scientific and academic establishment still cowers in the > Dark Ages.' 'The dawn of scientific civilization is yet at > hand. -- Buckminster Fuller. Cosmography p.63 > > 'If man chooses oblivion, he can go right on leaving his fate > to his political leaders. If he chooses Utopia, he must > initiate an enormous educational program - immediately, if > not sooner.' -- Buckminster Fuller > > "humanity largely unaware of its potential , might not > exercise its options in time." -- Buckminster Fuller. > Critical Path, p. 116 > > "All average human beings are magnificently endowed with > creativity, and mysteriously capable of vastly more than any > of us has ever assumed to be possible." -- Buckminster > Fuller. Cosmography p. 260 > > 'If the success or failure of this planet, and of human > beings, depended on how I am and what I do; How would I be? > What would I do?' - Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:24:14 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Ephemeralization Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So answer my synergetics question. What volumes duplicate them selves from mid face and what volume are they? This is to say if you put an apex in the center of a face and you connect them as connect the dots then will this duplicate themselves? How many do this in the universe & how many Euler functions are in each of them. ( omni topology functions ) What volume are the duplications? All I ask is that you say your sorry for being so over micro minded about the bfi. It is playing out that your lack of patience for the gestation rates for things to happen are showing your selfishness is un deserved. Lets talk synergetics, Please! I may learn something if you do. Your statements that I am viewing a static image volume when I speak of synergetics having one volume that is always sub-divided, is not the volume I am speaking of; I am speaking of the dymaxion volume that is always changing but always getting larger with tools and views, as the unitivity volume. This is my design, but why is it wrong? What volume do you use to work with synergetics? I am spending a lot of time on Catalina Island and am not around much for a while. See Ya! We are all equal players and most of all those that are just starting are much more valuable than those that have already understood that bucky is the only educational tool that can allow humanity to survive this space age ape wars and selfish power glory greed while we all die anyway, why keep the world so morbid when we die anyway? All these bank accounts that go back to the state to make bombs when people die. What kind of impact is this on children? Only in dreams can we change it, but Fuller has proven that it is not a dream, the big news is we have enough to go around town and the town is round, and we can make a model that has power to take the perverted war model and trash it like smoking egos, die off fast with the big bragging cigar that says I have and you do not, and I die and I am stupid enough to be egotistic about my selfishness and die of cancer on top of it. sophistication of stupidity rules. Say your sorry Kirby and you will have learned more about synergetics than you ever will!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) Kirby Urner wrote: > >Come on guys -- either stop it, or take it off list. > > > > I agree. I took it off list three posts ago, writing > everything to private email. But it's back. > > The way I'm seeing it, I'm tying off a few loose ends, > as MSM scrapes the bottom of the bucket for new > allegations (Jaime Snyder banned from Synergetics-L, > false; dragging Ed Applewhite into the fray, false). > He makes them in public, I deny them in public. And > then we're done. > > I expect he has a few more up his sleave. Unless they > look worth replying to, I'll let them go. After that, > it's just endless repitition of allegations I've already > laid to rest (from my point of view, even if he wants > to recycle them). Like, I'm "this close" (hand symbol) > to being finished with this thread. > > >It seems that the constant "flame wars" are only serving to fan > >the flames of discontent and obscure some otherwise exceptional > >postings by other list members, for example David Anderson. > > Flame wars are difficult in some ways. In the short term, > they're just clutter and a pain in the butt. In the longer > term, they may be something people want to come back too. > > I've had some vitriolic exchanges with Brian Scott and > some math professor at Exeter that I think had some useful > content (I've linked back to them from my website -- posted > a few of them here, back when they were still going on). > > In other words, just because the temperature runs high > from time to time doesn't ipso facto mean everything in > the exchange is completely worthless. With the benefit > of hindsight, I think some "flame wars" will "mature" > (in the sense of paper securities) whereas others really > are worthless garbage. Sometimes it's hard for anyone to > know their value right at the time. > > MSM is a player, I'm a player. We have our differences. > GEODESIC is a file cabinet. If people want to come here > and consult the file, they'll find what he and I have posted > to one another. Possibly of some value having all this in > the archives. Maybe not. > > Also, I've tried to use these posts to put in other info, > not necessarily related. Historical tidbits, little matters > of fact. All could be interesting to somebody, down the > road. MSM's have likewise proved revealing on occasion.. > I like the fact that this Listserv archives to the web > so conveniently. > > >BTW: David, I would like to say how much I appreciate your > >work with geodesic patch patterns, and your latest paper on > >full sphere constructs. Very nice work. > > > > -- Chuck Knight > > I agree with this assessment. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:59:01 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Ephermeralization Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ephermeralization is what is happening that you do not notice. True Emperneralization is the spirit of a principle. synergy is ephermeralization as a frequency of awareness. When you do not feel anything life is ephermeralized. Your in love Unitivity is the volume of ephermeralization top end principle. it is the most period. Universe is what is within this volume. There is unitivity - one volume of dymaxion ephermeralization then relativity - Two within the volume at minimum then syntrivity - Three events within the volume at minimum. then infinity - Multiplication by division frequency of the one volume. All events are relative to the observer or the system that is being observed. Entropic Isotropic Syntropic All volumes of systemic origin are caused by orbital precession of the above 3 relative actions. If you are on a freight car and you drop a wrench on your foot. The wrench goes straight down on your foot, you see it as a straight line. The person waiting in their car sees the wrench dependent on the speed of the train, the wrench makes a half arc from the hand to the foot as it passes by in front of them. The earth looks like it is in orbit around the sun but it makes a spiral as the sun goes 100 thousand miles around an origin of radii that the sun orbits and so on. precession is principlic and always a fact of event in the universe volume that is on going until our death. These are the simple tools of my mathematical awareness of all volumes in the whole awareness that surrounds all of us. I call it unitivity. I feel that this includes all religions, all men and women humans as one on earth and that we can say that we are all one family and that in being a unitivitist we all may see that all education is an act of making parts one and whole and change the whole system of thinking to teach all humans to unit all know facts into on unitific view of love. This is what i have come to think after living with Fuller for 16 years while he was alive and I learned. To tell the truth makes one of you and the universe, and only truth. If you do not have this you have nothing. You must start all over. The longer you can be honest and truthful with your mind and spirit the stronger you are. This is why bucky has been the strongest person that I have ever met. As Toni Huston states: Bucky is the only really great man I have ever met. This is why you felt like you were with a great man. He was sacred, and sanctuary of hope for all humanity and you and me. You could feel it in the room. Real integrity of an honest man. There are so few in this world. Man in the Oxford English Dictionary means male or female. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:09:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: BFI Newsletter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i just want to say Wow ! Joe you really have done a great job! You have taught me a lot with your posts. thank you. Michael S. Mitchell I would like to send you some money to help. Let me know where to send the donation please.. Joe S Moore wrote: > Dear David, > > I just checked BFI's website a minute ago and it's working now. > > Thank you VERY much for the encouragement! It's been a long and lonely > quest most of the time since I stumbled onto Bucky in 1970. For me it is an > act of faith that sooner or later a lot of people will decide that they need > a lot of Bucky info real fast. I am very lucky and privileged to be in a > position to do full time (I'm retired) what I do. I amaze myself to think > that I am my own self-taught webmaster at age 59. Anyway, enough about me. > Again, thanks for the appreciation. > > Sincerely, > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Culberson > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 6:14 PM > Subject: BFI Newsletter > > > Hi Joe, > > > > The bfi site appears to be down. Can't get in since this morning. Your > > site works fine. You have my apprecation for the great collection of > > Bucky info and references. > > > > Regards, David Culberson > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 04:26:57 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Energy and information is wealth. Information and education is the most important project. The highest priority of education is to provide information on the Design Science Revolution, including the Global Energy Grid, and the many social benefits that derive from linking the world's electrical grid. Two billion human beings on Spaceship Earth, 1/3 of the world's population, live without access to electricity. We cannot expect to pull humanity out of poverty without a fully electrified world. The main reason poor people have so many children is because they need them to work to survive. The fact that poor people want to have many children is counter intuitive, but that's the way it is. Simply providing them with electricity reduces their work load and increases their life support capacity. With increased electrification, they desire fewer children, reducing population growth. Electricity boost economic potential which boost education, all of which boost human rights and political stability. Increased energy production provides social benefits across the board, and that's the reason why Buckminster Fuller said that the Global Energy Grid is the number one priority. We must successfully rehouse humanity in mass-produced dwellings, increase the efficiency of our entire industrial infrastructure, convert to 100 percent renewable sources of energy, and do this all very quickly. The Design Science Revolution is a very energy intensive endeavor, and the Global Energy Grid is necessary to meet the demand. "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: > > I love your ideas and support them. > Thank you for the boiling away the sand from the gold. > The information is the most important project of World Game. > Electricity is not. > But if it helps information get out. Then let it go. > The highest priority is education though. > As you have stated from critical path. > No your talking. > > Spaceship Earth wrote: > > > 'One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems > > is that of how to facilitate the swift development of all > > human individuals' discovery of all we know about human life > > on board Spaceship Earth at this moment in Universe -- and > > how so to learn in the shortest possible time.' -- > > Buckminster Fuller. Critical Path > > > > The scientific and academic establishment still cowers in the > > Dark Ages.' 'The dawn of scientific civilization is yet at > > hand. -- Buckminster Fuller. Cosmography p.63 > > > > 'If man chooses oblivion, he can go right on leaving his fate > > to his political leaders. If he chooses Utopia, he must > > initiate an enormous educational program - immediately, if > > not sooner.' -- Buckminster Fuller > > > > "humanity largely unaware of its potential , might not > > exercise its options in time." -- Buckminster Fuller. > > Critical Path, p. 116 > > > > "All average human beings are magnificently endowed with > > creativity, and mysteriously capable of vastly more than any > > of us has ever assumed to be possible." -- Buckminster > > Fuller. Cosmography p. 260 > > > > 'If the success or failure of this planet, and of human > > beings, depended on how I am and what I do; How would I be? > > What would I do?' - Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 06:17:18 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Build It and They Will Come Comments: To: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your encouragement and support, Mark. I sent the following statement to another list, The Creative Alternatives Center mailing list, in response to a statement that it wasn't clear, "who is putting on this conference?" I think I made some important points here that may encourage others to pursue their visions, and for people to support this one and others like it. To summarize, two of the main points are, build it and they will come, and, I know you get tired of hearing me saying it, image is everything; build a big facade and people will flock to it, show them your honest, sincere, meek and humble side and they turn their back on you. The little produce stand on the side of the road has the best peaches for the best price, but everybody shops at the megagrocery. ----------------------------------------------------------- As I made clear in the last posting, there is no overarching sponsoring organization. Sponsors are being sought to host and promote different programs for the event. This is an event under development, and anyone who is inspired by the vision should not hold back with a wait and see attitude. Mel Saunders, by himself, put together a very successful Creative Alternatives Expo a while back. The Countdown and Tradeshow event will be held and we want to make it as big as possible and get world-wide publicity. It has all the elements necessary to do so. Go for the big bold visions. They're the only ones that can unite humanity in a common cause. Symbols are a very powerful thing. Image is everything to the human mind and a lot of work has gone into developing projects, such as the Countdown and Expo, that have significant symbolic meaning and we must not let it go to waste. If we miss this as a millennial event, at least some of it's power will be lost. The way this is usually done, and I've seen it many times, always with much surprise, people put up a facade, giving the impression that they're a big organization, when in fact it's a low budget, small time operation barely getting by. Many worthwhile organizations and businesses have started this way and become very successful. I'm not one to put on a false face. Amazon.com, E-Bay and many other multi-billion dollar internet businesses were started by one or two people with a single webpage. I'll probably have a front up soon enough, as soon as I get backing. Some significant people have already shown support. So don't hold back, jump in, show your support, participate and contribute your vision to make this a lasting and significant event. The tradeshow events can be held anytime, anywhere beginning right now, and will continue for years to come. And they will be hosted on the Internet full time. Pre-countdown events need to be developed as a prelude to and to promote the main millennial event, July 12-20, 2001. People are very contradictory when it comes to supporting people without credentials or institutional backing. They say that credentials and institutional affiliation aren't what's important, but the first thing they want to know is what your credentials and affiliations are, and if you don't have them they readily shrug you off. The only reason I'm doing this is because the big institutions aren't doing it. They're not doing it because they don't have the vision because they're too structured and confined to let their spirit run free, and they just haven't had the intensity and resolve that I've had. They're looking for the vision though and they're willing to support worthwhile visions, but you must show that you have support before they will do so. The reason I'm doing this, in spite of a lack of institutional backing, is because I have complete confidence in the power of this vision to make a significant contribution to the world. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 05:19:58 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems Comments: To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think the world man band tape has got your juices flowing, go ahead and send it to everyone you mention if you want it could get their ideas going as yours has. I was with bucky and drew the first grid. I know electricity is important, but I think it will be easier with wind mills and solar cells not a world grid. With the solar cells and wind mills you can have electricity to have a computer etc. without politics any where in the world. I am for the energy design of world game inwhich you speak but now it has changed, I think that you can have it all in your hand from the sun not the government. I think that rock music is the best way to get the ball rolling as you can see from my World Man Band tape. I love your ideas and they are better than any as far as a Disneyland for bucky. Great Idea,. I would think WOrld Manland would be a good name. The world is a World Man Island. Have a great summer it is just starting in southern california. IT goes now for about 2 more strong months and the surf gets high from the storms off Mexico with great surf. I am off to Catalina Island today. The Bear Island of the West. Aloha! Spaceship Earth wrote: > Energy and information is wealth. Information and education > is the most important project. The highest priority of > education is to provide information on the Design Science > Revolution, including the Global Energy Grid, and the many > social benefits that derive from linking the world's > electrical grid. Two billion human beings on Spaceship Earth, > 1/3 of the world's population, live without access to > electricity. We cannot expect to pull humanity out of poverty > without a fully electrified world. The main reason poor > people have so many children is because they need them to > work to survive. The fact that poor people want to have many > children is counter intuitive, but that's the way it is. > Simply providing them with electricity reduces their work > load and increases their life support capacity. With > increased electrification, they desire fewer children, > reducing population growth. Electricity boost economic > potential which boost education, all of which boost human > rights and political stability. Increased energy production > provides social benefits across the board, and that's the > reason why Buckminster Fuller said that the Global Energy > Grid is the number one priority. We must successfully rehouse > humanity in mass-produced dwellings, increase the efficiency > of our entire industrial infrastructure, convert to 100 > percent renewable sources of energy, and do this all very > quickly. The Design Science Revolution is a very energy > intensive endeavor, and the Global Energy Grid is necessary > to meet the demand. > > "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: > > > > I love your ideas and support them. > > Thank you for the boiling away the sand from the gold. > > The information is the most important project of World Game. > > Electricity is not. > > But if it helps information get out. Then let it go. > > The highest priority is education though. > > As you have stated from critical path. > > No your talking. > > > > Spaceship Earth wrote: > > > > > 'One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems > > > is that of how to facilitate the swift development of all > > > human individuals' discovery of all we know about human life > > > on board Spaceship Earth at this moment in Universe -- and > > > how so to learn in the shortest possible time.' -- > > > Buckminster Fuller. Critical Path > > > > > > The scientific and academic establishment still cowers in the > > > Dark Ages.' 'The dawn of scientific civilization is yet at > > > hand. -- Buckminster Fuller. Cosmography p.63 > > > > > > 'If man chooses oblivion, he can go right on leaving his fate > > > to his political leaders. If he chooses Utopia, he must > > > initiate an enormous educational program - immediately, if > > > not sooner.' -- Buckminster Fuller > > > > > > "humanity largely unaware of its potential , might not > > > exercise its options in time." -- Buckminster Fuller. > > > Critical Path, p. 116 > > > > > > "All average human beings are magnificently endowed with > > > creativity, and mysteriously capable of vastly more than any > > > of us has ever assumed to be possible." -- Buckminster > > > Fuller. Cosmography p. 260 > > > > > > 'If the success or failure of this planet, and of human > > > beings, depended on how I am and what I do; How would I be? > > > What would I do?' - Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 05:24:48 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Build It and They Will Come Comments: To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am all for it, why not put it on Catalina Island? They have a camp ground and stage. It could be like woodstock for humanities tools. I have been talking about Harmony for Humanity concerts but that doesn't fly? Maybe yours will? Spaceship Earth wrote: > Thank you for your encouragement and support, Mark. > > I sent the following statement to another list, The Creative > Alternatives Center mailing list, in response to a statement > that it wasn't clear, "who is putting on this conference?" > > I think I made some important points here that may encourage > others to pursue their visions, and for people to support > this one and others like it. To summarize, two of the main > points are, build it and they will come, and, I know you get > tired of hearing me saying it, image is everything; build a > big facade and people will flock to it, show them your > honest, sincere, meek and humble side and they turn their > back on you. The little produce stand on the side of the road > has the best peaches for the best price, but everybody shops > at the megagrocery. > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > As I made clear in the last posting, there is no overarching > sponsoring organization. Sponsors are being sought to host > and promote different programs for the event. This is an > event under development, and anyone who is inspired by the > vision should not hold back with a wait and see attitude. Mel > Saunders, by himself, put together a very successful Creative > Alternatives Expo a while back. The Countdown and Tradeshow > event will be held and we want to make it as big as possible > and get world-wide publicity. It has all the elements > necessary to do so. Go for the big bold visions. They're the > only ones that can unite humanity in a common cause. Symbols > are a very powerful thing. Image is everything to the human > mind and a lot of work has gone into developing projects, > such as the Countdown and Expo, that have significant > symbolic meaning and we must not let it go to waste. If we > miss this as a millennial event, at least some of it's power > will be lost. > > The way this is usually done, and I've seen it many times, > always with much surprise, people put up a facade, giving > the impression that they're a big organization, when in fact > it's a low budget, small time operation barely getting by. > Many worthwhile organizations and businesses have started this > way and become very successful. I'm not one to put on a false > face. Amazon.com, E-Bay and many other multi-billion dollar > internet businesses were started by one or two people > with a single webpage. I'll probably have a front up soon > enough, as soon as I get backing. Some significant people > have already shown support. So don't hold back, jump in, show > your support, participate and contribute your vision to make > this a lasting and significant event. > > The tradeshow events can be held anytime, anywhere beginning > right now, and will continue for years to come. And they will > be hosted on the Internet full time. Pre-countdown events > need to be developed as a prelude to and to promote the main > millennial event, July 12-20, 2001. > > People are very contradictory when it comes to supporting > people without credentials or institutional backing. They say > that credentials and institutional affiliation aren't what's > important, but the first thing they want to know is what your > credentials and affiliations are, and if you don't have them > they readily shrug you off. The only reason I'm doing this is > because the big institutions aren't doing it. They're not > doing it because they don't have the vision because they're > too structured and confined to let their spirit run free, and > they just haven't had the intensity and resolve that I've > had. They're looking for the vision though and they're > willing to support worthwhile visions, but you must show that > you have support before they will do so. The reason I'm doing > this, in spite of a lack of institutional backing, is because > I have complete confidence in the power of this vision to > make a significant contribution to the world. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 07:27:31 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: Build It and They Will Come Comments: To: mail@spaceshipearth.com, Tetworld Game , Tetglobal Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I think you have an important project-- it is difficult to build a project like this--which as you know is no reason not to give it a go. Tetworld is in the same boat. I'm perfectly happy to lend the Tetworld name and meaning to your effort(s) if that is useful--as a "sponsor" and/or endorsement. If you have any specific needs that I or others on these lists may at least, potentially be able to provide, please don't hesitate to communicate them. Mark > > Thank you for your encouragement and support, Mark. > > I sent the following statement to another list, The Creative > Alternatives Center mailing list, in response to a statement > that it wasn't clear, "who is putting on this conference?" > > I think I made some important points here that may encourage > others to pursue their visions, and for people to support > this one and others like it. To summarize, two of the main > points are, build it and they will come, and, I know you get > tired of hearing me saying it, image is everything; build a > big facade and people will flock to it, show them your > honest, sincere, meek and humble side and they turn their > back on you. The little produce stand on the side of the road > has the best peaches for the best price, but everybody shops > at the megagrocery. > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > As I made clear in the last posting, there is no overarching > sponsoring organization. Sponsors are being sought to host > and promote different programs for the event. This is an > event under development, and anyone who is inspired by the > vision should not hold back with a wait and see attitude. Mel > Saunders, by himself, put together a very successful Creative > Alternatives Expo a while back. The Countdown and Tradeshow > event will be held and we want to make it as big as possible > and get world-wide publicity. It has all the elements > necessary to do so. Go for the big bold visions. They're the > only ones that can unite humanity in a common cause. Symbols > are a very powerful thing. Image is everything to the human > mind and a lot of work has gone into developing projects, > such as the Countdown and Expo, that have significant > symbolic meaning and we must not let it go to waste. If we > miss this as a millennial event, at least some of it's power > will be lost. > > The way this is usually done, and I've seen it many times, > always with much surprise, people put up a facade, giving > the impression that they're a big organization, when in fact > it's a low budget, small time operation barely getting by. > Many worthwhile organizations and businesses have started this > way and become very successful. I'm not one to put on a false > face. Amazon.com, E-Bay and many other multi-billion dollar > internet businesses were started by one or two people > with a single webpage. I'll probably have a front up soon > enough, as soon as I get backing. Some significant people > have already shown support. So don't hold back, jump in, show > your support, participate and contribute your vision to make > this a lasting and significant event. > > The tradeshow events can be held anytime, anywhere beginning > right now, and will continue for years to come. And they will > be hosted on the Internet full time. Pre-countdown events > need to be developed as a prelude to and to promote the main > millennial event, July 12-20, 2001. > > People are very contradictory when it comes to supporting > people without credentials or institutional backing. They say > that credentials and institutional affiliation aren't what's > important, but the first thing they want to know is what your > credentials and affiliations are, and if you don't have them > they readily shrug you off. The only reason I'm doing this is > because the big institutions aren't doing it. They're not > doing it because they don't have the vision because they're > too structured and confined to let their spirit run free, and > they just haven't had the intensity and resolve that I've > had. They're looking for the vision though and they're > willing to support worthwhile visions, but you must show that > you have support before they will do so. The reason I'm doing > this, in spite of a lack of institutional backing, is because > I have complete confidence in the power of this vision to > make a significant contribution to the world. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to Tetworld-unsubscribe@listbot.com > MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with > your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com > -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:09:43 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: BFI Newsletter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, I appreciate your offer, but I really don't need money, just my misspent youth back. Please use the money to make your Bucky audiotapes available on the Internet, or at least available for purchase, if you can. How about a list on your website of when and where you taped Bucky? Or how about getting an Internet provider that will rent you 20 megs of hard drive space so that you could expand your web site? I suspect you have a lot of material that others would be interested in. Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Michael S. Mitchell wrote in message news: <37AB4F0B.6442AE30@earthlink.net>... > I just want to say Wow ! Joe you really have done a great job! > You have taught me a lot with your posts. thank you. > Michael S. Mitchell > I would like to send you some money to help. > Let me know where to send the donation please.. > > Joe S Moore wrote: > > > Dear David, > > > > I just checked BFI's website a minute ago and it's working now. > > > > Thank you VERY much for the encouragement! It's been a long and lonely > > quest most of the time since I stumbled onto Bucky in 1970. For me it is an > > act of faith that sooner or later a lot of people will decide that they need > > a lot of Bucky info real fast. I am very lucky and privileged to be in a > > position to do full time (I'm retired) what I do. I amaze myself to think > > that I am my own self-taught webmaster at age 59. Anyway, enough about me. > > Again, thanks for the appreciation. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David Culberson > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 6:14 PM > > Subject: BFI Newsletter > > > > > Hi Joe, > > > > > > The bfi site appears to be down. Can't get in since this morning. Your > > > site works fine. You have my appreciation for the great collection of > > > Bucky info and references. > > > > > > Regards, David Culberson > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:36:13 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: BUCKMINSTER FULLER Comments: To: livenba@ch.si.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cooper-Hewitt National Design Museum New York, NY, USA Dear Sirs, Since I couldn't seem to locate a search function at your web site, I am forced to email you with the following question: Do any of your collections contain any type of material by or about the work of R Buckminster Fuller? Thank you, Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute (California, USA) http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:30:30 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: griddiness <> Brian Hutchings 07-AUG-1999 15:30 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us perhaps this project does not require such a supranationalist attitude. I just saw a little piece in the paper, vis-a-vu the integration of the US and Russian networks, which'd be "half of the job" in a simplistic sense of the "backbone" being done. I do worry about the "monetization" of the kilowatt-hour, or the erg-second or what ever, because of the beastly attitudes --wholly supranationalist-- of the IMF and the Intl.Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD, a.k.a.the World Bank), in their post-Marshall plan role of being simple usurors. I also worry about "comleting the loop", esp.E-W, because of the danger of some sort of short-circuit. that is to say, some of us feel that the ionosphere actually serves to hold the atmosphere in, if not collect it in the first place. there isn't actually a true need for a complete, world-going-around grid, even if we were not going to rely on the ground to be "the ground", except as a redundancy. so, why do people fear nuclear power, so much? it's a rhetorical question, but you can blame Harry "Sweet" Truman -- and not MacArthur! --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:39:04 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Ephemeralization <> Brian Hutchings 07-AUG-1999 15:39 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us your question is either completely ill-posed, or trivially inapt, or simply deluded. the only thing you're duyplicating is the Rube - - yourself, and repeatedly! eve if you're referring to the tetrahedron and its dual, the tetragon (tetravertexia, in Bucky-undead-speak), it is a nonsequiter in terms of the old Greek problem, which actually refers to doubling the volume of the hexahedron (octagon). I imply that this is largely due to not knowing English, well-enough, or your "mother-tongue" in any literate sense, what is the same. that is the only "advantage" that we monolingual folks enjoy -- easy literacy! --Candidates in Tow! http://www.larouchecampaign.org ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:20:46 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: cutting the big cheeseball <> Brian Hutchings 07-AUG-1999 16:20 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I'll just do it -- in a ten-year crash-program! actually, this narrow type-casting of the Apollo Project is rather typical of those who wish to ignore what JFK was "up" to. so, if you read the book on that, _Battling Wall Street_, or any of our many books that *we* have produced on his and other examples of the "American System of political economy" that has actually been used, world-around, to various "stages" ... you'll see that much of hwat you propose is quite explicit therein, if not all. the current manifestation of near-absolute lunacy is found on the Art Bell programme & his hosting of every madcap exemplar of New Dark Info Age bullcrap that he can find -- obviously often with little notice, considering how silly they can get, which is always a problem on a 6-shows-a-week schedule. now, he is promoting his vast audience-ship to sign-on to the Ivy Leaguer SETI prgramme, to use one's home unit to sieve through the galactic oinknoise at night, to be served-back to Boston til **** hits the ventilation. they're already the second-largest group, after one week, with the goal of being the first to get the 2-minute warning from the most garrulous ET in local Universe. we say, how on Earth can you expect to interpret the manifestation of some would-be space-faring nation, or civilization, if you have allowed your own program to virtually dysintegrate, esp.under the "Republican" watch? in other words, spaceship Earth may as well be flat -- throw that Frisbee (tm) over here, dude! --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 06:15:42 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: > > i think the world man band tape has got your juices flowing, > go ahead and send it to everyone you mention if you want > it could get their ideas going as yours has. Can do! > I was with bucky and drew the first grid. > I know electricity is important, but I think it will > be easier with wind mills and solar cells not a world grid. The Global Energy Grid, and other such long-range electrical connections, make renewable energy sources more viable. In fact, converting to 100-percent renewable sources of energy requires it. When the wind is low, or the tide is out, or the water runs low, or it's nighttime in one location, other parts of the grid can help take up the slack. Off grid connections are mostly viable for small scale energy needs like Dwelling Machines. Industry requires massive amounts of energy. It's seldom economical for large industries to produce their own power. Dwelling Machines, and industries that produce their own renewable energy, can sell their surplus through the grid. Instead of homes buying electricity from big government and big business, we'll sell it to them through the grid. In fact, I can see the day when Dwelling Machines will be given away for free with a contract to buy and sell energy to the electrical utility (along with other utility contracts), as cellular phones are now given away free, in exchange for a cell phone contract, and computers are starting to be given away free or low cost in exchange for an internet service contract. Since efficiently designed Dwelling Machines don't need to be connected to utility companies, the utility companies may have to give away Dwelling Machines just to stay in business. I can see it coming. That World Man Band tape has given me the ability to see the future. > I think that rock music is the best way to get the ball rolling > as you can see from my World Man Band tape. If we are to achieve success, we must make the Design Science Revolution the dominant theme of popular culture. Since it's appallingly seductive and there's megabucks to be made, success is assured, we just have to start the fashion trend, and the mainstream will pick up on it. It's already in the works. Below, are quotes from Bruce Sterling ("The Manifesto of Jan. 3, 2000", Whole Earth, P. 5, Summer 1999) that express my sentiments. "Contemporary civil society can be led anywhere that looks attractive, glamorous, and seductive." -- We need a form of Green high fashion so appallingly seductive and glamorous that it can literally save peoples lives. We have to gratify people's desires much better than the current system does. We have to reveal to people the many desires they have that the current system is not fulfilling." > I love your ideas and they are better than any as far as > a Disneyland for bucky. Great Idea,. > I would think WOrld Manland would be a good name. > The world is a World Man Island. > Have a great summer it is just starting in southern california. > IT goes now for about 2 more strong months and the surf gets high > from the storms off Mexico with great surf. > I am off to Catalina Island today. The Bear Island of the West. > Aloha! > > Spaceship Earth wrote: > > > Energy and information is wealth. Information and education > > is the most important project. The highest priority of > > education is to provide information on the Design Science > > Revolution, including the Global Energy Grid, and the many > > social benefits that derive from linking the world's > > electrical grid. Two billion human beings on Spaceship Earth, > > 1/3 of the world's population, live without access to > > electricity. We cannot expect to pull humanity out of poverty > > without a fully electrified world. The main reason poor > > people have so many children is because they need them to > > work to survive. The fact that poor people want to have many > > children is counter intuitive, but that's the way it is. > > Simply providing them with electricity reduces their work > > load and increases their life support capacity. With > > increased electrification, they desire fewer children, > > reducing population growth. Electricity boost economic > > potential which boost education, all of which boost human > > rights and political stability. Increased energy production > > provides social benefits across the board, and that's the > > reason why Buckminster Fuller said that the Global Energy > > Grid is the number one priority. We must successfully rehouse > > humanity in mass-produced dwellings, increase the efficiency > > of our entire industrial infrastructure, convert to 100 > > percent renewable sources of energy, and do this all very > > quickly. The Design Science Revolution is a very energy > > intensive endeavor, and the Global Energy Grid is necessary > > to meet the demand. > > > > "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: > > > > > > I love your ideas and support them. > > > Thank you for the boiling away the sand from the gold. > > > The information is the most important project of World Game. > > > Electricity is not. > > > But if it helps information get out. Then let it go. > > > The highest priority is education though. > > > As you have stated from critical path. > > > No your talking. > > > > > > Spaceship Earth wrote: > > > > > > > 'One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems > > > > is that of how to facilitate the swift development of all > > > > human individuals' discovery of all we know about human life > > > > on board Spaceship Earth at this moment in Universe -- and > > > > how so to learn in the shortest possible time.' -- > > > > Buckminster Fuller. Critical Path > > > > > > > > The scientific and academic establishment still cowers in the > > > > Dark Ages.' 'The dawn of scientific civilization is yet at > > > > hand. -- Buckminster Fuller. Cosmography p.63 > > > > > > > > 'If man chooses oblivion, he can go right on leaving his fate > > > > to his political leaders. If he chooses Utopia, he must > > > > initiate an enormous educational program - immediately, if > > > > not sooner.' -- Buckminster Fuller > > > > > > > > "humanity largely unaware of its potential , might not > > > > exercise its options in time." -- Buckminster Fuller. > > > > Critical Path, p. 116 > > > > > > > > "All average human beings are magnificently endowed with > > > > creativity, and mysteriously capable of vastly more than any > > > > of us has ever assumed to be possible." -- Buckminster > > > > Fuller. Cosmography p. 260 > > > > > > > > 'If the success or failure of this planet, and of human > > > > beings, depended on how I am and what I do; How would I be? > > > > What would I do?' - Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 06:21:11 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: Build It and They Will Come Comments: cc: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks again Mark! You've provided the first of one of the most important first steps in developing a project like this, endorsements. Thank you for your support and encouragement. Will provide more information as it becomes available. Mark Siegmund wrote: > > Well, I think you have an important project-- it is difficult to build a > project like this--which as you know is no reason not to give it a go. > > Tetworld is in the same boat. > > I'm perfectly happy to lend the Tetworld name and meaning to your effort(s) > if that is useful--as a "sponsor" and/or endorsement. > > If you have any specific needs that I or others on these lists may at least, > potentially be able to provide, please don't hesitate to communicate them. > > Mark > > > > Thank you for your encouragement and support, Mark. > > > > I sent the following statement to another list, The Creative > > Alternatives Center mailing list, in response to a statement > > that it wasn't clear, "who is putting on this conference?" > > > > I think I made some important points here that may encourage > > others to pursue their visions, and for people to support > > this one and others like it. To summarize, two of the main > > points are, build it and they will come, and, I know you get > > tired of hearing me saying it, image is everything; build a > > big facade and people will flock to it, show them your > > honest, sincere, meek and humble side and they turn their > > back on you. The little produce stand on the side of the road > > has the best peaches for the best price, but everybody shops > > at the megagrocery. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > As I made clear in the last posting, there is no overarching > > sponsoring organization. Sponsors are being sought to host > > and promote different programs for the event. This is an > > event under development, and anyone who is inspired by the > > vision should not hold back with a wait and see attitude. Mel > > Saunders, by himself, put together a very successful Creative > > Alternatives Expo a while back. The Countdown and Tradeshow > > event will be held and we want to make it as big as possible > > and get world-wide publicity. It has all the elements > > necessary to do so. Go for the big bold visions. They're the > > only ones that can unite humanity in a common cause. Symbols > > are a very powerful thing. Image is everything to the human > > mind and a lot of work has gone into developing projects, > > such as the Countdown and Expo, that have significant > > symbolic meaning and we must not let it go to waste. If we > > miss this as a millennial event, at least some of it's power > > will be lost. > > > > The way this is usually done, and I've seen it many times, > > always with much surprise, people put up a facade, giving > > the impression that they're a big organization, when in fact > > it's a low budget, small time operation barely getting by. > > Many worthwhile organizations and businesses have started this > > way and become very successful. I'm not one to put on a false > > face. Amazon.com, E-Bay and many other multi-billion dollar > > internet businesses were started by one or two people > > with a single webpage. I'll probably have a front up soon > > enough, as soon as I get backing. Some significant people > > have already shown support. So don't hold back, jump in, show > > your support, participate and contribute your vision to make > > this a lasting and significant event. > > > > The tradeshow events can be held anytime, anywhere beginning > > right now, and will continue for years to come. And they will > > be hosted on the Internet full time. Pre-countdown events > > need to be developed as a prelude to and to promote the main > > millennial event, July 12-20, 2001. > > > > People are very contradictory when it comes to supporting > > people without credentials or institutional backing. They say > > that credentials and institutional affiliation aren't what's > > important, but the first thing they want to know is what your > > credentials and affiliations are, and if you don't have them > > they readily shrug you off. The only reason I'm doing this is > > because the big institutions aren't doing it. They're not > > doing it because they don't have the vision because they're > > too structured and confined to let their spirit run free, and > > they just haven't had the intensity and resolve that I've > > had. They're looking for the vision though and they're > > willing to support worthwhile visions, but you must show that > > you have support before they will do so. The reason I'm doing > > this, in spite of a lack of institutional backing, is because > > I have complete confidence in the power of this vision to > > make a significant contribution to the world. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, write to Tetworld-unsubscribe@listbot.com > > MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with > > your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com > > > > -- > Regards, > Mark Siegmund > email: siegmund@thegrid.net > Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game > Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html > Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > The Tetworld Story: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm > Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) > http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html > To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept > and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development > list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:52:13 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: second & ten MESSAGE from =MKaku@aol.com 07-AUG-1999 14:25 Remember, if you backwards in time to kill your parents before you're born, you probably are actually killing someone's parents. Your parents are alive and well and gave birth to you. But the universe probably splits, and the time stream forks into two time streams, so there is no paradox. Michio Kaku www.dorsai.org/~mkaku <> Brian Hutchings 08-AUG-1999 12:52 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:57:43 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: short shrift <> Brian Hutchings 08-AUG-1999 12:57 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us SUBJECT: Re: second & ten MESSAGE from =M@aol.com 07-AUG-19 14:25 Remember, if you backwards in time to kill your parents before you're born, you probably are actually killing someone's parents. Your parents are alive and well and gave birth to you. But the universe probably splits, and the time stream forks into two time streams, so there is no paradox. Michio Kaku www.dorsai.org/ Message 837...REPLY, PASS, DELETE, or ? for options: (pass) r Enter the text of your message. When you're finished, press the key twice. > >to be, or not to be -- a potential dilemma! > >--The End Was Nigh! >http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:59:32 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: short shrift <> Brian Hutchings 08-AUG-1999 12:59 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us REPLY from Brian Hutchings 07-AUG-19 15:51 shucks, these science fiction writers do belabor things; just "go back in the T direction" and make a hit-job on Adam -- and pray not to fall into temptation with Eve! --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:06:28 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems <> Brian Hutchings 08-AUG-1999 13:06 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us has anyone heard of the Diocletian Codes? thus quoth: fact, converting to 100-percent renewable sources of energy requires it. When the wind is low, or the tide is out, or the water runs low, or it's nighttime in one location, other parts of the grid can help take up the slack. Off grid --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:09:33 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems <> Brian Hutchings 08-AUG-1999 13:09 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us <> Brian Hutchings 07-AUG-1999 16:20 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I'll just do it -- in a ten-year crash-program! actually, this narrow type-casting of the Apollo Project is rather typical of those who wish to ignore what JFK was "up" to. so, if you read the book on that, _Battling Wall Street_, or any of our many books that *we* have produced on his and other examples of the "American System of political economy" that has actually been used, world-around, to various "stages" ... you'll see that much of hwat you propose is quite explicit therein, if not all. the current manifestation of near-absolute lunacy is found on the Art Bell programme & his hosting of every madcap exemplar of New Dark Info Age bullcrap that he can find -- obviously often with little notice, considering how silly they can get, which is always a problem on a 6-shows-a-week schedule. now, he is promoting his vast audience-ship to sign-on to the Ivy Leaguer SETI prgramme, to use one's home unit to sieve through the galactic oinknoise at night, to be served-back to Boston til **** hits the ventilation. they're already the second-largest group, after one week, with the goal of being the first to get the 2-minute warning from the most garrulous ET in local Universe. we say, how on Earth can you expect to interpret the manifestation of some would-be space-faring nation, or civilization, if you have allowed your own program to virtually dysintegrate, esp.under the "Republican" watch? in other words, spaceship Earth may as well be flat -- throw that Frisbee (tm) over here, dude! --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:27:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems <> Brian Hutchings 08-AUG-1999 13:27 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us oops, let me add one note to this supposition. I'm not sure if this is listed as a requirement in the GENI plancheck, but a complete integration (east-west) can be had without the full-circling circuit, as implicit in the concept of "grounding" already in everyday use. in fact, completing the circle merely adds one, small redundancy to the system; bidundancy?... all of this is certainly being worked upon to some extent, with the current, wild cycle of sunspot-related magnetospherical storming, but I really cannot say diddly about that. does droughth effect local grounding, as well? completing that circle might be reckless experiment, but would probably just melt on-through at the place of greatest resistance; eh? --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:48:34 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: GENI in Latin America! <> Brian Hutchings 08-AUG-1999 13:48 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us here we have, again, another example of "lawful ignorance", as opposed to the *learned* ignorance of Cusa. Gringoes, nor Angloes in general, wish to slight the nations of Ibero-America on this account, even though they often tend to be "fellow-travelers" for one-world goment, so being more-or-less consciously aghast at the whole *idea* of the nation, because they don't know what it is, except for "national socialism", say. so, the question is, Whence does this moniker of "Latin America" come?... bonus double-fudge Brownie-points to the first to answer! another unfortunate malopropsim is "renewable energy", becuase there is only one such eternal --supposedly-- source, "eternally regenerative Universe", and not some of "many, other" universes, as with some flakey metaphysicists, either!... just imagine, for a moment, using a chunk of KY Petroleum Fossil, for some thing. as for Bruce Sterling and his Green Marketeers, don't you guys ever look into who is funding them -- to answer the question, Qui bono?... is not always to say, the forner mayor of Palm Springs! thuw quoth: > America. But America runs primarily on fossil and nuclear fuels, while --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:10:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Spaceship Girth (Central Texas) <> Brian Hutchings 08-AUG-1999 20:10 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I just wanted to get this off of my chest, now, because I think that the adequqte refutaion was printed in last week's *The Nation* magazine; I mean, I read it at the bookstore, but I'm unsure of the date. it will, as they say, shock the living Heck out o'you, that a Bush administration could be so utterly cynical, as to set some thing like that to "go off" on the next guy in the office, although not totally surprising, given the first actual biography of this freak (http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm). of course, the "Lovestonite" fellow-travelling anti- commie freaks of this rag did not actually mention Sir Geroge; tsk! thus quoth: clear alternative to the Apocalyptic doomsday prophecy of David Korish that Waco, Texas has come to symbolize, and more Brownie-points for those who can name the current Mayor of Waco, and the City Molecule -- just can't get enough o'those cookies! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:50:44 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "P. O. Box 2321" Subject: Third Collection of Fuller Links Comments: To: Synergetics Listserv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Every once in a while I prune my saved messages from the synergetics-l and geodesic-l mailing lists. Here is a third sampling of URLs and info from the last few months... ===================== From: Karl Erickson okay, i've set up the 'geomodel' mailing list for discussing primarily physical model-building, so if you'd like to join it, see: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/geomodel ===================== From: Kenneth Rhodes I have developed a small program which reports the chord lengths (triangle sides) and triangle heights for the following Icosahedron faces: ===================== From: "J.W.Rich" I have finally got a website up and running. Please feel free to visit. http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/3675/ ===================== From: Joe S Moore Go to Time Inc's Picture Collection web site to see 16 new pics of Bucky. http://www.thepicturecollection.com/ Click on "Guest Visit" and then do a search using 'buckminster" or "geodesic". ===================== From: Joe S Moore RBF & Merce Cunningham; N Carolina State Univ B&W pic: http://gyoza.com/frank/html/37'fuller.html ===================== From: Joe S Moore Marc, I just stumbled across your excellent article about using carjacks to smash the ends of conduit pipe. http://thematrix.com/~majcher/dome/clamp.html In my case, I used a hydraulic jack which used a lever to pump fluid, rather than the type in your illustration. And yes, I had to glue a small metal plate to the top of the jack (the head was round and too small). We built a small (6'x 8'?) egg-shaped dome (wide enough to lie down and tall enough to stand comfortably. Don't remember what it cost. ===================== From: Tom I found two great pictures at greatbuildings.com of the Pavilion at the '67 Expo. The complete address is www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/US_Pavillion_at_Expo_'67.html. The second picture gives you a sense of how big that dome really was.  This is a picture that I had never seen before. The other picture shows how it was constructed, like giant monkey bars. ===================== From: Joe S Moore Beautiful color pic of RBF's Geoscope at Southern Illinois Univ-Edwardsville: http://www.siue.edu/PHOTO/rel.html ===================== From: Joe S Moore Color pic of interior of Mitchell Park geodesic dome: http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?s=geodesic+dome&l=geodesic+dome&b=3&a=3 &r=1&p=12 ===================== From: Joe S Moore "What the World Wants" interactive chart at World Game: http://www.worldgame.org/wwwproject/ ===================== From: Joe S Moore Nice black & white pic of Bucky holding an icosa model: http://www.apple.se/thinkdifferent/tdperson.html ===================== From: Joe S Moore Nice color pics of the Geode dome at the City of Science in Paris, France: http://www.cite-sciences.fr/new/tout_cite/geode/geode_3.htm -- http://www.box2321.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:37:40 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: FULLER AND CAPOTE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A question found on a Truman Capote BBS: Quote: Capote and Buckminster Fuller Name: Roger Smith date: 06OZ03 "ú(Thu)04Zz10.ª29.b I am curious as to whether Capote and Fuller ever met. I do know that Fuller was a member of the "Three-Hours-for Lunch Club" which met in the back room at The Gotham Book Mart and that Capote was acquainted with Andreas Brown (even though Capote probably did not hang out at the Gotham). I would greatly appreciate any information repecting this curiosity. Unquote. Roger Smith -------------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:35:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Matthew Davidchuk Subject: Losing the race against winter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I noticed that the New York Times had a headline something like 'Kosovars losing the race against winter'. Rebuilding their homes will probably take quite a while considering the current chaos. The accompanying photograph showed an eviscerated traditional brick house. Any thoughts on what steps a 'critical path' that would house Kosovars by winter would involve, including both physical and organizational requirements. As a related issue, to what extent are some of Bucky's ideas incorporated into the disaster relief industry. Regards, Matthew Davidchuk Toronto, Ontario, Canada _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:41:50 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: a bilateral schleglgram device -- ta da <> Brian Hutchings 09-AUG-1999 18:41 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I have found a new tool for polyhedral/polygonal analysis, which is just another sort of "Schlegl diagram", but with bilateral symmetry (in all of the regular and many of the archimedean shapes). see if you can configure it. the usual Schleglgram is just a projection from one of the face-centers, or actually just ouside of it, so that that facet becomes the frame of a window, through which the rest of the polyhedron is seen (if your eye were *in* the plane of the facet, then the "window" would become 3 "lines at infinity" .-) one can also start such a diagram from a vertex, in which case that vertex becomes a "point at infinity" with the lines connecting it going "straight out" from the rest of the diagram, but one generally just uses the Schleglgram for the dual of it, in that case, or if neccesary. for reference, see Coxeter's _Regular Polytopes_ or what-have-you. --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bush.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:35:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Losing the race against winter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew, Some of the refs at this web page may help you; see: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomePaperboard.htm Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Matthew Davidchuk wrote in message news: <19990809203526.29110.rocketmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com>... > I noticed that the New York Times had a headline > something like 'Kosovars losing the race against > winter'. Rebuilding their homes will probably take > quite a while considering the current chaos. The > accompanying photograph showed an eviscerated > traditional brick house. > > Any thoughts on what steps a 'critical path' > that would house Kosovars by winter would involve, > including both physical and organizational > requirements. > > As a related issue, to what extent are some of > Bucky's ideas incorporated into the disaster relief > industry. > > Regards, > Matthew Davidchuk > Toronto, Ontario, Canada > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:03:00 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Webmaster Subject: Casino news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This mail is never sent unsolicited. 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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BEE3C2.01CFAAA0-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:17:06 +0430 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: aagdii@DDS.NL Subject: STATISTIC WEB PAGE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, i am working on my statistics web page- it includes alot of important world variables. i need to connect it to some of the web engines, but i keep getting Lycon erro. can anybody help. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:06:15 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: STATISTIC WEB PAGE Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Tagdi, unfortunately I don't know how to help--but please let me know when your web page is up. thanks and good luck, Mark > hi, > i am working on my statistics web page- it includes alot > of important world variables. i need to connect it to > some of the web engines, but i keep getting Lycon erro. > can anybody help. > > tagdi > -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:19:33 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Ephemeralization MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think your right, and I am stupid that is a no brainier, but he who thinks he knows much is not true to the truth. Love is the humble truth of life. Unitivity, Relativity, Syntrivity, Infinity these are the tetrascopic visions of awareness. Entropy, Isotropy, and Syntropy explains all events. 90 degrees +, 90 degrees, and 90 degrees -, :-), My world view! All men ( male or female ) are created equal in the universe but, not to each other. The unitific method is to have a state of mind that allows all men to have a place to go in thought that allows all to be equal, Unititivy. Unitivity is the volume that we all live in at once and it is filled with light that makes all events in the volume. The volume changes dymaxionally in time and only gets larger and this is syntropic ephermeralization. I am back to Catalina Island this week, what a place! I think I am moving there before the anthrax and the world crash hits. Lets hope not! Does anyone have a wind mill, solar cells, water maker, and a couple of inverters for sale??? I could use a way to warm the boat in the winter that is non fossil fueled? I saw a great school of dolphins on the way back monday. WOW! like three at a time in the air side by side. I say a flying fish 5 years ago.. Dymaxion huh! At night they stay under the boat and you can shine a flash light on them and they have there wings in. They look like any other fish then. Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian Hutchings 07-AUG-1999 15:39 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > your question is either completely ill-posed, or trivially inapt, > or simply deluded. the only thing you're duyplicating is the Rube - > - yourself, and repeatedly! > eve if you're referring to the tetrahedron and its dual, > the tetragon (tetravertexia, in Bucky-undead-speak), > it is a nonsequiter in terms of the old Greek problem, > which actually refers to doubling the volume > of the hexahedron (octagon). > > I imply that this is largely due to not knowing English, > well-enough, or your "mother-tongue" in any literate sense, > what is the same. that is the only "advantage" > that we monolingual folks enjoy -- easy literacy! > > --Candidates in Tow! > http://www.larouchecampaign.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:39:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Losing the race against winter <> Brian Hutchings 11-AUG-1999 12:39 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us the issue is not just the Kosovars "losing to winter," but the complete lack of support for Serbia, being along the River but blocking it with emergency pontoon bridges! the Danube is the central artery & supply to most of the populations in the Balkans, such that "air delivery" of stuff (a la domes) is quite secondary as a matter of cost (costs too much). realistically, you could support our work for a Marshall-type plan for the Balkans, as a proper response to the machinations of the oligarch, to instill a Balkans War 3, ongoing, but not to be limited to eastern Europe, of course (as such was required in Rwanda e.g., but not helped one iota by the retrocolonialist breedeesh marcherlords of the Great Lakes region of Africa, and their dupes in the US State Dept., Allbright and Rice, and so on ad vomitorium). not that that impies "voting for Lyn," or "registering Democratic," or even "not being apolitikal [sik]" -- to each his/her/its own! and, No; I do not Yahoo! (tm), although I am basically forced to read/hear/eat **** from Reuters, anyway. thus quoth: Any thoughts on what steps a 'critical path' that would house Kosovars by winter would involve, including both physical and organizational --The End Was Nigh! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:45:06 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Losing the race against winter <> Brian Hutchings 11-AUG-1999 12:45 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us by the way, this may have never occurred, if "we" had not been looting Russia so horridly, viz: to wit: Mega-speculator George Soros also worked closely with the Harvard-Chubais clique, and he was given special priveleges under tge "loans-for-shares" privatization program launched under Chubais in'95. whereby banks got shares in state enterprizes in exchange for loans to the state treasury. The effect of all this, Wedel shows, was to convince Russians that the West, and especially the U.S., was to blame -- was out to loot and destroy the Russian economy. As one Russian quoted by Wedel put it: "Western policy was designed to break us up and make sure that we never, ever come up again." Wedel does not address the question of whether this was deliberate. In truth, as *EIR* has shown, it *was* intentional, and it was organized in Britain. Gaidar, Chubais and former FM Boris Fyordorov had been picked up already in the mid-1980s by that center of Mont Pelerin Society fuedalist, anti-capitalist ideology in London,, the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA). Gaidar's Inst.for the Economy in Transition was sponsored by the London IEA; it almost shut down in'91, because most of its members then entered the Yeltsin goment to carry out the British free-market assualt. --from review of _Collision and Collusion: The Stange Case of Western Aid to Eastern Europe 1989-98_ by J.R.Wedel (St.Martin's Press), in 6august's EIR thus spake: exactly, as with the radical freemarketization of Russia, along the lines suggested by the Mont Pelerin Society, a British "liberal" organization. it must be grokked, that --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:53:31 -0700 Reply-To: marshall@teleport.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Monte Marshall Subject: Why have I received this? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why did I receive the follow unsolicited (SPAM) mail? This mail is never sent unsolicited. This is a casinonews.org mailing! You have subscribed geodesic@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu to receive this information. UNSUB ALL: -forward- this entire message to deleteall@casinonews.org (be sure to *forward* the ENTIRE message, or it will not unsubscribe you!) IN This weeke Issue CNN - Casino chips showing up in church collection plates - August 3, 1999 http://www.casinonews.org/CNN/churchcollection.htm DETROIT (AP) -- Hours after Detroit's first casino opened just steps from the Most Holy Trinity Catholic Church, gambling chips began clattering in the collection plate. ... Judge rules Internet gambling subject to New York state law http://www.casinonews.org/CNN/judgerules.htm July 27, 1999 Web posted at: 10:20 AM EDT (1420 GMT) NEW YORK (AP) -- New Yorkers who gamble via the Internet are playing in a virtual casino inside their computers and are subject to state gaming laws even if the gambling company is based overseas, a judge ruled. Important Press Release http://www.atgftpzone.com/news.htm The Antigua and Barbuda Free Trade and Processing Zone regrets any inconvenience caused by the information carried by "Cariblime News" under the caption heading of "Antigua and Barbuda moves to monopolize International Internet Gaming Permits." Babbitt casino probe said winding down - July 1, 1999 http://www.casinonews.org/CNN/Babbittcasino.htm WASHINGTON (AP) -- An investigation into whether Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt lied to Congress about the rejection of a proposed Indian casino -- and whether campaign. US move on overseas gaming sites http://www.casinonews.org/CNN/US%20move%20on%20overseas%20gaming%20sites.htm By David Crowe, San Francisco The US clamp on internet gambling could be taken beyond the nation's borders as legislators come under increased pressure to suppress a swelling new business. Gambling Books! Hundreds of the best-selling books about gambling at a huge discount from Casino News http://www.casinonews.org/books/default.asp and Amazon Books! Poker Books Blackjack Books Craps Books Gambling Books Horse Racing Books Lottery Books Baccarat Books Roulette Books Slot Machine Books Track Betting Books Video Poker Books ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:03:03 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: GENI in Latin America! <> Brian Hutchings 11-AUG-1999 13:03 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I was not meaning that Bruce Sterling is not an independent figurehead for these Party-of-a-color forces, as he is quite the success, as a writer of science fiction (which I have read none of his). rather, it is the promotion by such as the Gobal Business Network with its backing by Royal Dutch/British Shell, the mardeteers of Mobilsuarus Lite under their own brands, a.k.a.Obnoxico. when Sterling had just started the maillist for this thing, someone had sent me the intro and I signed-up for it, but I did not get any reply to my concerns, at the time --nor did I expect to-- and did not want to deal with the onslaught of Green Yahoo!s that quickly ensued. this was about 2YA, I think. thus spake: of KY Petroleum Fossil, for some thing. as for Bruce Sterling and his Green Marketeers, don't you guys ever look into who is funding them -- of KY Petroleum Fossil, for some thing. as for Bruce Sterling and his Green Marketeers, don't you guys ever look into who is funding them -- --Da Duke! http://www.tarpley.net (see the chapter on "mutual funds" from a historical perspective -- Suckers ?-) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:16:46 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems <> Brian Hutchings 11-AUG-1999 13:16 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Diocletian Codes -- "zero technology"; Laissez-Faire -- "Let Our Lordships Alone"; Free Trade -- "Do as We wilt!" thus spake: has anyone heard of the Diocletian Codes? --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:20:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Fw: BUCKMINSTER FULLER -Reply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Symmes To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 12:14 PM Subject: BUCKMINSTER FULLER -Reply > In response to your inquiry regarding Buckminster Fuller, > Cooper-Hewitt National Design Museum has 4 works on paper by > him: > > Ten Deck House, c. 1928 - drawing > Ten Deck House, c. 1928 - hand-colored mimeo print and > 2 working drawings for the Dymaxion Car > > If you have further questions, please contact me or Floramae > McCarron-Cates (Tel. 212-849-8376; fax 212-849-8401) or via > email. > > Sincerely, > > Marilyn Symmes > Curator of Drawings and Prints > Cooper-Hewitt, National Design Museum > 2 East 91st St. > New York, NY 10128 > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:18:48 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: Build It and They Will Come MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: > > Harmony for Humanity concerts Good concept! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:46:56 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: July 12-20, 2001: A Portal Into History That Will Guide Us In Meeting the Challenges and Opportunities of the 21st Century Comments: To: Tetglobal , Tetworld Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The purpose of this message is to introduce the philosophy behind the Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity and the Design Science Exposition. There's a lot of philosophy and symbolic meaning incorporated into this event. It's symbolic elements are a vast and highly relevant means of educating the public about humanities unlimited potential, at this special moment in time, when people reflect on the past and take stock of the future, at the turn of the millennium. That is one reason why this event is called the "Official Even of the Third Millennium." Here is a rundown of some of the main symbolic elements of this event. THE FIRST ANNUAL COUNTDOWN TO COMPLETE PHYSICAL SUCCESS FOR ALL HUMANITY: THE OFFICIAL EVENT OF THE THIRD MILLENNIUM (July 12-20, 2001) We will rally the spirit of humanity to it's highest potential, and achieve a world of peace without poverty or want, and memorialize for posterity humanities greatest achievement. JULY 12-20, 2001: A PORTAL INTO HISTORY THAT WILL GUIDE US IN MEETING THE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE 21ST CENTURY The Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity commemorates the following historical events. R. Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, 1895, showed that the Malthusian economic doctrine of scarcity was no longer valid. He proved that humanity could achieve universal physical success for all. Based on a study of socioeconomic trends, in 1927, Buckminster Fuller predicted that before the year 2000, humanity would be ready, in every way, to achieve complete life-support abundance for all. He dedicated his life to guiding human progress toward that end. The first detonation of a nuclear bomb, July 16, 1945, ushered in the Nuclear Age, giving us a new view of physical reality, with the inherent ability to achieve totally transformation of the human environment, for the benefit of all or for the destruction of all. It was the beginning of a race between Utopia and Oblivion. First Apollo moon landing, July 20, 1969, inspired the world with a "can do" attitude, and to ask, "If we can land a man on the moon, why can't we eliminate poverty, hunger, illiteracy and war?" According to Buckminster Fuller, the spectacular advances in science and technology achieved by the Apollo space program was the crossing of an epochal threshold in humans ability to achieve life-support abundance for all, rendering it possible to achieve, within a Design Science Decade of social and technological reorientation. July 14, 1949, USSR explodes their first atomic bomb putting the nuclear arms race into high gear. July 19, 1957, first rocket with nuclear warhead fired, Yucca Flat, Nevada. The nuclear arms race goes into overdrive leading to the Cold War Race in Space. July 18, 1955, first electric power generated from atomic energy sold commercially. It is an attempt to put our Nuclear Age knowledge to peaceful, life-supporting use. July 17-19, 1975, the Cold War Space Race culminates with the first US/USSR linkup in space between the Apollo 18 and Soyuz 19 spacecraft. It was the last Apollo mission, a fitting conclusion to an inspiring program; it gave us hope that one day opposing nations would unite together to achieve world peace. UNITING TWO GREAT VISIONS TO ACHIEVE COMPLETE PHYSICAL SUCCESS FOR ALL HUMANITY (Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, 1895, and the Apollo moon landing, July 20, 1969), TO CREATE A DYNAMIC SYNERGY THAT WILL OVERCOME ALL OBSTACLES TO THAT GOAL. The first detonation of a nuclear bomb (July 16, 1945) symbolizes an obstacle to the uniting of these two great visions. But every adversity brings with it an equal or greater advantage. The Nuclear Age gave us a new view of physical reality that is necessary to achieve the total transformation of the human environment. Our new understanding of physical reality that the Nuclear Age brought is central to humanities ability to achieve world transformation. Soon, as time allows, I'll explain more deeply how significant this new world view is, and how, as a result, we now have the potential, that we did not have before, to rapidly achieve the total transformation of the human environment for the benefit of all humanity. The Countdown will be in conjunction with the Design Science Exposition: The Official Trade Show of the Millennial Design Science Revolution. These projects, and many more, will be hosted on the Spaceship Earth Science City website, the Official Website of the Millennial Design Science Revolution, dedicated to the achievement of complete physical success for all humanity within the first decade of the 21st century. More information will be found in these postings in the GEODESIC newsgroup archives. Countdown and Tradeshow Update: (More info on the Design Science Exposition and Countdown) http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9908&L=geodesic&P=R1191&m=10306 Countdown and Tradeshow Update (contains some pertinent philosophy and orientation): http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9812&L=geodesic&F=&S=&P=10853 The Official Event of the Third Millennium: Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity: http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9810&L=geodesic&P=R5474 Call me trimtab: Buckminster Fuller Biography: http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811&L=geodesic&P=R408 The Third Millennium: A Race Between Utopia and Oblivion?: http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9810&L=geodesic&P=R6730 Design Science Revolution 101 (Dwelling Machines): http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811&L=geodesic&P=R9103 The Spaceship Earth Race: Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity: http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9809&L=geodesic&P=R11067 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:11:20 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: GENI in Latin America! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Talking about high tech mutual funds - www.firsthandfunds.com does anyone have any comment on these guys? Bucky is always into high tech knowledge ahead of the rest because of his comprehensively. These guys seem to have their finger on the pulse of the new tech market horizon. Green Marketeers, don't you guys ever look into who is funding them -- ^^^^^^^^^ > You missssspelled this word! Mr. mother tougne. That's ok, you see I do not mind that much as long as the integrity of the experience is intact. GENI, = get energy network intelligence. > --Da Duke!= John Wayne* > http://www.tarpley.net > > (see the chapter on "mutual funds" from a historical perspective -- > Suckers ?-) *-) The only volume that duplicates it's self from mid face is a tetrahedron and I suppose the volume is 1/2 - the same as the octahedron. It is an isthmus tetrahedron. Is that what you stated? I am off to catalina island again! what a place if anyone ever gets to cal, go to the isthmus. Isthmus be the place! See Ya! Peter of Geni, I am sorry I attack you last spring I could be wrong./ You do a lot of good most the time. Forgive me, please./ Kirby i am sorry to attack you so strongly. You just tread on the sacred burial grounds of the biggest indian in the world. I wish you would say you are sorry to the bfi and the Fuller family. That is all I ask? Do not tread on them please anymore. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:41:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: barfburgers <> Brian Hutchings 12-AUG-1999 12:41 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us no; the volume isn't one half of the original tetrahedron, but it is truly "duplicated" by taking the cross-edge dual (but, again, not in the Greek sense of doubling !-) if htat is the Major Finding of Unitivity, I'm just all choked "up". ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:37:14 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: barfburgers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Brian, It's rich spoiled kids like you and Kirby that take the fun out of working towards a future for all of us. Your tit for tat bisque educational system - education's make for a real competitive format for you guys. I bet your father left you a pension or something and you guys sit around and smoke pot and entertain the have not's. Well they laughed at bucky and in my articles in the Los Angeles Times they stated they will laugh at me. Unitivity is very well rounded indeed. My conservation of entropy theory has not been challenged. I grew up in a 2 room house over my dads printing shop in a coal mining town called West Frankfort, Ill, which was named after a man named Frank that built a fort there. I met Bucky basically on LSD a week after and then I knew I could educate myself with this. I know nothing but Fuller and proud of it. All the spoiled rich kids that their fathers send them to study Fuller I tutored when they arrived at the office and let them copy my tapes of lectures. They now have them and I do not my house burnt to the ground with them. As far as Kirby stating I have a rich brother, it is true but he will have nothing to do with domes and Fuller and hates all this stuff. I have supported myself all my life and had a little help when I needed it, not that I did not help those that helped me along the way at some time before or after. I am one with my universe. The concept of unitivity includes people it has no boundaries. It is the world game of mathematics, it has one volume that is in a state of change always, and it has all humanity including religion, creed, color, no class, no race as its base of human participation. Name another concept that has that. The conservation of entropy principle is that the sun sweeps out in it's nano area sweep of radii the same area as all that precesses around it. This is why the corona is hotter than the center. You shall have see that in the eclipse. Know one else in the world states this but me. (c) Copy Right 1999 Michael S. Mitchell Off to the island %%%%%%%%%$-+@ SANTA CATALINA ISLAND If you have any questions hatchings let me know, affectionately Mickey. I like Space Ship Earths idea don't you. Joe Moore you sure can rock and roll with those sites. WOW! See Ya! Love to everyone! (*--*) < 0> smooch! Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian Hutchings 12-AUG-1999 12:41 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > no; the volume isn't one half of the original tetrahedron, but > it is truly "duplicated" by taking the cross-edge dual (but, again, > not in the Greek sense of doubling !-) > > if htat is the Major Finding of Unitivity, > I'm just all choked "up". ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:40:15 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: taboo arithmetic <> Brian Hutchings 12-AUG-1999 17:40 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us you had articles in the LATimes, in which they laughed at you, or did they just snicker between the lines, Cap'n Mitch? I don't usually advocate illicit drugs, or you could look for some of the more outre, legal highs from equaterward, but may be you *should* dose-up on your analog of Bear Island. just wait'l you have your boat moored, tight! yes, Bucky's daddy sent him to Milton Acadamy and Hahvahd, then got him the high-command on his own midsize naval vessel. you, on the other hand, command a navEl vassal, and with your far- seeing luck, you'll probably be there for Y20 C, when the Phantom Red Chinese Menace takes Catalina as a base for their new space program. I was born in a hospital in Phoenix, AZ, a city named after a dead bird. we actually lived in hovel of some sort in MESA, but I never grew "up" anywhere in particular; I have been to about 8 schools in my life. it is not very surprising that no-one has challenged your theory of entropy, but has anyone ever lived through it? for instance, you state that this theory is "why the corona is hotter than the center", but is just an empty asserion about precession, used as perpetually buzzing buzz-word -- pretty high! oh, well. --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:16:16 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Ephemeralization In-Reply-To: <37B15C45.497DEA5E@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Current issue of AutoWeek (Aug 9): 1 pager on Fuller's Dymaxion car. Collectors should go buy. Kirby =46rom another Fuller-related list (not mine): =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:09:12 -0700 To: "Mark Siegmund" =46rom: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Jacqueline and Technocracy Cc: tetglobal@listbot.com,tetworld@listbot.com At 04:35 PM 8/12/99 -0700, Mark Siegmund wrote: >Tetworld Peace Through Development Project - = http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > > >Hi, I think this site (Venus Project below) is strongly related to=20 >Technocracy--I'd appreciate any >reviewals or views you might have on this. Says it something like = Fuller >and Soleri. > Very fine pictures. Futurism still inspires. =20 http://www.nas.com/venus/images/cities/cybwrld.jpg looks like a World Game situation room was supposed to look by=20 1999. Maybe we're a little behind schedule? Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:22:29 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: July 12-20, 2001: A Portal Into History That Will Guide Us In Meeting the Challenges and Opportunities of the 21st Century Comments: To: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, providing the world's need in an ecologically sustainable manner was consistent with Buckminster Fuller's message. He said that we can do that while converting to 100-percent renewable sources of energy. Clearly humans have dominion over the Earth and we must act responsibly as caretakers of God's creation. claude saint-jarre wrote: > > Hello. I like very much Buckminster Fuller's philosophy. A physicist friend > of mine > after reading Critical Path and Synergetics said that it is too much " > anthropocentric", > in opposition to biocentric that you can find in books such as The dream of > the earth > or The Universe story. > So I am not sure about this, but Bucky used to link the idea of physical > success > with the fact that it could be done peacefully AND ECOLOGICALLY. Then, I > think > that the ecoogical point of view should be clear in your message. > Sincerely, > Claude Saint-Jarre > Objet : July 12-20, 2001: A Portal Into History That Will Guide Us In > Meeting the Challenges and Opportunities of the 21st Century > > > >The purpose of this message is to introduce the philosophy > >behind the Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for > >All Humanity and the Design Science Exposition. > > > >There's a lot of philosophy and symbolic meaning incorporated > >into this event. It's symbolic elements are a vast and highly > >relevant means of educating the public about humanities > >unlimited potential, at this special moment in time, when > >people reflect on the past and take stock of the future, at > >the turn of the millennium. That is one reason why this event > >is called the "Official Even of the Third Millennium." Here > >is a > >rundown of some of the main symbolic elements of this event. > > > >THE FIRST ANNUAL COUNTDOWN TO COMPLETE PHYSICAL SUCCESS FOR > >ALL HUMANITY: THE OFFICIAL EVENT OF THE THIRD MILLENNIUM > >(July 12-20, 2001) We will rally the spirit of humanity to > >it's highest potential, and achieve a world of peace without > >poverty or want, and memorialize for posterity humanities > >greatest achievement. > > > >JULY 12-20, 2001: A PORTAL INTO HISTORY THAT WILL GUIDE US IN > >MEETING THE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE 21ST CENTURY > > > >The Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All > >Humanity commemorates the following historical events. > > > >R. Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, 1895, showed that the > >Malthusian economic doctrine of scarcity was no longer > >valid. He proved that humanity could achieve universal > >physical success for all. Based on a study of socioeconomic > >trends, in 1927, Buckminster Fuller predicted that before the > >year 2000, humanity would be ready, in every way, to achieve > >complete life-support abundance for all. He dedicated his > >life to guiding human progress toward that end. > > > >The first detonation of a nuclear bomb, July 16, 1945, > >ushered in the Nuclear Age, giving us a new view of physical > >reality, with the inherent ability to achieve totally > >transformation of the human environment, for the benefit of > >all or for the destruction of all. It was the beginning of a > >race between Utopia and Oblivion. > > > >First Apollo moon landing, July 20, 1969, inspired the world > >with a "can do" attitude, and to ask, "If we can land a man > >on the moon, why can't we eliminate poverty, hunger, > >illiteracy and war?" According to Buckminster Fuller, the > >spectacular advances in science and technology achieved by > >the Apollo space program was the crossing of an epochal > >threshold in humans ability to achieve life-support abundance > >for all, rendering it possible to achieve, within a Design > >Science Decade of social and technological reorientation. > > > >July 14, 1949, USSR explodes their first atomic bomb putting > >the nuclear arms race into high gear. > > > >July 19, 1957, first rocket with nuclear warhead fired, Yucca Flat, > >Nevada. The nuclear arms race goes into overdrive leading to > >the Cold War Race in Space. > > > >July 18, 1955, first electric power generated from atomic > >energy sold commercially. It is an attempt to put our Nuclear Age > >knowledge to peaceful, life-supporting use. > > > >July 17-19, 1975, the Cold War Space Race culminates with > >the first US/USSR linkup in space between the Apollo 18 and > >Soyuz 19 spacecraft. It was the last Apollo mission, a > >fitting conclusion to an inspiring program; it gave us hope > >that one day opposing nations would unite together to achieve > >world peace. > > > >UNITING TWO GREAT VISIONS TO ACHIEVE COMPLETE PHYSICAL > >SUCCESS FOR ALL HUMANITY (Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, > >1895, and the Apollo moon landing, July 20, 1969), TO CREATE > >A DYNAMIC SYNERGY THAT WILL OVERCOME ALL OBSTACLES TO THAT > >GOAL. The first detonation of a nuclear bomb (July 16, 1945) > >symbolizes an obstacle to the uniting of these two great > >visions. But every adversity brings with it an equal or > >greater advantage. The Nuclear Age gave us a new view of > >physical reality that is necessary to achieve the total > >transformation of the human environment. > > > >Our new understanding of physical reality that the Nuclear > >Age brought is central to humanities ability to achieve world > >transformation. Soon, as time allows, I'll explain more > >deeply how significant this new world view is, and how, as a > >result, we now have the potential, that we did not have > >before, to rapidly achieve the total transformation of the > >human environment for the benefit of all humanity. > > > >The Countdown will be in conjunction with the Design Science > >Exposition: The Official Trade Show of the Millennial Design > >Science Revolution. These projects, and many more, will be > >hosted on the Spaceship Earth Science City website, the > >Official Website of the Millennial Design Science Revolution, > >dedicated to the achievement of complete physical success for > >all humanity within the first decade of the 21st century. > > snip ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:15:29 +0430 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: aagdii@DDS.NL Subject: Ideas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit trppical forest// 140,000 km is cut a year out of 8.5 km square left- correct me if i made mistake, it could be miles instead of km. the hard wood that logged from them is sold to Japan for house frames which is burned later. i dont know the whole story, but i am sticking to the main pattren if you want to add clearly to it. 50% of this hardwood is sent to Japan- mahagany is one of this woods. total sales average for the 1980's is 5 billion total of hard wood annually. it is not much to pay the logging companies to stop cutting the most complex and beautiful and unreplacable forest on earth. since Japan depends on the OPEC for oil supplies just like the U.S. they should treatend the stuffed japaness from killing our earth. one year propaganda with clear picture will do. Japan have good reputation probable due to propaganda machinary- Germany spends good money on p. please dont mess this subject up, keep up to the point if you want to add to it. --------------------- curriculum// i discovered a combination of subjects which if put on vedeo- comprise about 50 vedeos of one hour or less each- will educate anybody one year of highschool to become a generalist in one year. this the only thing i wouldnt part with without being paid for it. it might not be 100% the best but it is extremely valuble specially for the unsophisticated. would be intresting to start virtual college- do it yourself schem. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:18:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: July 12-20, 2001: A Portal Into History That Will Guide Us In Meeting the Challenges and Opportunities of the 21st Century Comments: To: mail@spaceshipearth.com, Tetworld Game , Tetglobal Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Bucky's concept of Spaceship Earth and Nature's provisioning it with its elegant life-support system is all inclusive. There's nothing inherently less biocentric because his concern is success for all humanity. As passengers and crew-we all have a vested interest in keeping the system healthy--or returning it to homeostasis--balance. Mark > > Yes, providing the world's need in an ecologically > sustainable manner was consistent with Buckminster Fuller's > message. He said that we can do that while converting to > 100-percent renewable sources of energy. > > Clearly humans have dominion over the Earth and we must act > responsibly as caretakers of God's creation. > > claude saint-jarre wrote: >> >> Hello. I like very much Buckminster Fuller's philosophy. A physicist friend >> of mine >> after reading Critical Path and Synergetics said that it is too much " >> anthropocentric", >> in opposition to biocentric that you can find in books such as The dream of >> the earth >> or The Universe story. >> So I am not sure about this, but Bucky used to link the idea of physical >> success >> with the fact that it could be done peacefully AND ECOLOGICALLY. Then, I >> think >> that the ecoogical point of view should be clear in your message. >> Sincerely, >> Claude Saint-Jarre > > >> Objet : July 12-20, 2001: A Portal Into History That Will Guide Us In >> Meeting the Challenges and Opportunities of the 21st Century >> > >> >The purpose of this message is to introduce the philosophy >> >behind the Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for >> >All Humanity and the Design Science Exposition. >> > >> >There's a lot of philosophy and symbolic meaning incorporated >> >into this event. It's symbolic elements are a vast and highly >> >relevant means of educating the public about humanities >> >unlimited potential, at this special moment in time, when >> >people reflect on the past and take stock of the future, at >> >the turn of the millennium. That is one reason why this event >> >is called the "Official Even of the Third Millennium." Here >> >is a >> >rundown of some of the main symbolic elements of this event. >> > >> >THE FIRST ANNUAL COUNTDOWN TO COMPLETE PHYSICAL SUCCESS FOR >> >ALL HUMANITY: THE OFFICIAL EVENT OF THE THIRD MILLENNIUM >> >(July 12-20, 2001) We will rally the spirit of humanity to >> >it's highest potential, and achieve a world of peace without >> >poverty or want, and memorialize for posterity humanities >> >greatest achievement. >> > >> >JULY 12-20, 2001: A PORTAL INTO HISTORY THAT WILL GUIDE US IN >> >MEETING THE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE 21ST CENTURY >> > >> >The Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All >> >Humanity commemorates the following historical events. >> > >> >R. Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, 1895, showed that the >> >Malthusian economic doctrine of scarcity was no longer >> >valid. He proved that humanity could achieve universal >> >physical success for all. Based on a study of socioeconomic >> >trends, in 1927, Buckminster Fuller predicted that before the >> >year 2000, humanity would be ready, in every way, to achieve >> >complete life-support abundance for all. He dedicated his >> >life to guiding human progress toward that end. >> > >> >The first detonation of a nuclear bomb, July 16, 1945, >> >ushered in the Nuclear Age, giving us a new view of physical >> >reality, with the inherent ability to achieve totally >> >transformation of the human environment, for the benefit of >> >all or for the destruction of all. It was the beginning of a >> >race between Utopia and Oblivion. >> > >> >First Apollo moon landing, July 20, 1969, inspired the world >> >with a "can do" attitude, and to ask, "If we can land a man >> >on the moon, why can't we eliminate poverty, hunger, >> >illiteracy and war?" According to Buckminster Fuller, the >> >spectacular advances in science and technology achieved by >> >the Apollo space program was the crossing of an epochal >> >threshold in humans ability to achieve life-support abundance >> >for all, rendering it possible to achieve, within a Design >> >Science Decade of social and technological reorientation. >> > >> >July 14, 1949, USSR explodes their first atomic bomb putting >> >the nuclear arms race into high gear. >> > >> >July 19, 1957, first rocket with nuclear warhead fired, Yucca Flat, >> >Nevada. The nuclear arms race goes into overdrive leading to >> >the Cold War Race in Space. >> > >> >July 18, 1955, first electric power generated from atomic >> >energy sold commercially. It is an attempt to put our Nuclear Age >> >knowledge to peaceful, life-supporting use. >> > >> >July 17-19, 1975, the Cold War Space Race culminates with >> >the first US/USSR linkup in space between the Apollo 18 and >> >Soyuz 19 spacecraft. It was the last Apollo mission, a >> >fitting conclusion to an inspiring program; it gave us hope >> >that one day opposing nations would unite together to achieve >> >world peace. >> > >> >UNITING TWO GREAT VISIONS TO ACHIEVE COMPLETE PHYSICAL >> >SUCCESS FOR ALL HUMANITY (Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, >> >1895, and the Apollo moon landing, July 20, 1969), TO CREATE >> >A DYNAMIC SYNERGY THAT WILL OVERCOME ALL OBSTACLES TO THAT >> >GOAL. The first detonation of a nuclear bomb (July 16, 1945) >> >symbolizes an obstacle to the uniting of these two great >> >visions. But every adversity brings with it an equal or >> >greater advantage. The Nuclear Age gave us a new view of >> >physical reality that is necessary to achieve the total >> >transformation of the human environment. >> > >> >Our new understanding of physical reality that the Nuclear >> >Age brought is central to humanities ability to achieve world >> >transformation. Soon, as time allows, I'll explain more >> >deeply how significant this new world view is, and how, as a >> >result, we now have the potential, that we did not have >> >before, to rapidly achieve the total transformation of the >> >human environment for the benefit of all humanity. >> > >> >The Countdown will be in conjunction with the Design Science >> >Exposition: The Official Trade Show of the Millennial Design >> >Science Revolution. These projects, and many more, will be >> >hosted on the Spaceship Earth Science City website, the >> >Official Website of the Millennial Design Science Revolution, >> >dedicated to the achievement of complete physical success for >> >all humanity within the first decade of the 21st century. >> > > snip > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to Tetworld-unsubscribe@listbot.com > MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with > your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com > -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:44:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Spaceship Mirth (was: ??) <> Brian Hutchings 13-AUG-1999 10:44 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us "homeostasis" is not a bad concept, but it has been revolutionized by some of the "fellow-travellers" of Vernadsky, such as covered in depth in the recent issues of *21st C.Science and Tech.* on morphogenesis (sik; not referring to Sheldrake, neccesarily .-) in other word, DYSequilibrium, in a dynamic sense. thus quoth: > message. He said that we can do that while converting to > 100-percent renewable sources of energy. of course, the whole concept (as promoted by the Oilcos with the Kyoto Protocols) of "renewable" is also rather old hat, not to mention, malthusian! --The duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bush.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:18:38 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: July 12-20, 2001: A Portal Into History That Will Guide Us In Meeting the Challenges and Opportunities of the 21st Century Comments: cc: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The humanitarian and environmental crisis are twins. It is humanities failure to achieve success that is driving environmental destruction and the mass extinction of species. Humans dominate the Earth, and species and ecosystems are no match against roving hoards of humans and machinery plundering the Earth in our attempt to earn a living and survive. We have the knowledge and ability to increase the efficiency of our life support technologies, agriculture, housing, energy, etc., and reduce their ecological impact on the Earth. We can do it. Time is running out. The humanitarian and environmental crisis is growing steadily every day. It's a race between utopia and oblivion. The Design Science Exposition and Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity has more educational potential and symbolic significance than any other millennial event. As we reflect on the past and take stock of the future at the turn of the millennium, lets take stock of the humanitarian and environmental crisis and humanities overwhelming ability to resolve it. Let us begin the final countdown to the end of the human and environmental crisis, and focus the world's attention upon it intently every year, until the job is complete. Mark Siegmund wrote: > > Well, Bucky's concept of Spaceship Earth and Nature's provisioning it with > its elegant life-support system is all inclusive. There's nothing > inherently less biocentric because his concern is success for all humanity. > > As passengers and crew-we all have a vested interest in keeping the system > healthy--or returning it to homeostasis--balance. > > Mark > > > > Yes, providing the world's need in an ecologically > > sustainable manner was consistent with Buckminster Fuller's > > message. He said that we can do that while converting to > > 100-percent renewable sources of energy. > > > > Clearly humans have dominion over the Earth and we must act > > responsibly as caretakers of God's creation. > > > > claude saint-jarre wrote: > >> > >> Hello. I like very much Buckminster Fuller's philosophy. A physicist friend > >> of mine > >> after reading Critical Path and Synergetics said that it is too much " > >> anthropocentric", > >> in opposition to biocentric that you can find in books such as The dream of > >> the earth > >> or The Universe story. > >> So I am not sure about this, but Bucky used to link the idea of physical > >> success > >> with the fact that it could be done peacefully AND ECOLOGICALLY. Then, I > >> think > >> that the ecoogical point of view should be clear in your message. > >> Sincerely, > >> Claude Saint-Jarre > > > > > >> Objet : July 12-20, 2001: A Portal Into History That Will Guide Us In > >> Meeting the Challenges and Opportunities of the 21st Century > >> > > >> >The purpose of this message is to introduce the philosophy > >> >behind the Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for > >> >All Humanity and the Design Science Exposition. > >> > > >> >There's a lot of philosophy and symbolic meaning incorporated > >> >into this event. It's symbolic elements are a vast and highly > >> >relevant means of educating the public about humanities > >> >unlimited potential, at this special moment in time, when > >> >people reflect on the past and take stock of the future, at > >> >the turn of the millennium. That is one reason why this event > >> >is called the "Official Even of the Third Millennium." Here > >> >is a > >> >rundown of some of the main symbolic elements of this event. > >> > > >> >THE FIRST ANNUAL COUNTDOWN TO COMPLETE PHYSICAL SUCCESS FOR > >> >ALL HUMANITY: THE OFFICIAL EVENT OF THE THIRD MILLENNIUM > >> >(July 12-20, 2001) We will rally the spirit of humanity to > >> >it's highest potential, and achieve a world of peace without > >> >poverty or want, and memorialize for posterity humanities > >> >greatest achievement. > >> > > >> >JULY 12-20, 2001: A PORTAL INTO HISTORY THAT WILL GUIDE US IN > >> >MEETING THE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE 21ST CENTURY > >> > > >> >The Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All > >> >Humanity commemorates the following historical events. > >> > > >> >R. Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, 1895, showed that the > >> >Malthusian economic doctrine of scarcity was no longer > >> >valid. He proved that humanity could achieve universal > >> >physical success for all. Based on a study of socioeconomic > >> >trends, in 1927, Buckminster Fuller predicted that before the > >> >year 2000, humanity would be ready, in every way, to achieve > >> >complete life-support abundance for all. He dedicated his > >> >life to guiding human progress toward that end. > >> > > >> >The first detonation of a nuclear bomb, July 16, 1945, > >> >ushered in the Nuclear Age, giving us a new view of physical > >> >reality, with the inherent ability to achieve totally > >> >transformation of the human environment, for the benefit of > >> >all or for the destruction of all. It was the beginning of a > >> >race between Utopia and Oblivion. > >> > > >> >First Apollo moon landing, July 20, 1969, inspired the world > >> >with a "can do" attitude, and to ask, "If we can land a man > >> >on the moon, why can't we eliminate poverty, hunger, > >> >illiteracy and war?" According to Buckminster Fuller, the > >> >spectacular advances in science and technology achieved by > >> >the Apollo space program was the crossing of an epochal > >> >threshold in humans ability to achieve life-support abundance > >> >for all, rendering it possible to achieve, within a Design > >> >Science Decade of social and technological reorientation. > >> > > >> >July 14, 1949, USSR explodes their first atomic bomb putting > >> >the nuclear arms race into high gear. > >> > > >> >July 19, 1957, first rocket with nuclear warhead fired, Yucca Flat, > >> >Nevada. The nuclear arms race goes into overdrive leading to > >> >the Cold War Race in Space. > >> > > >> >July 18, 1955, first electric power generated from atomic > >> >energy sold commercially. It is an attempt to put our Nuclear Age > >> >knowledge to peaceful, life-supporting use. > >> > > >> >July 17-19, 1975, the Cold War Space Race culminates with > >> >the first US/USSR linkup in space between the Apollo 18 and > >> >Soyuz 19 spacecraft. It was the last Apollo mission, a > >> >fitting conclusion to an inspiring program; it gave us hope > >> >that one day opposing nations would unite together to achieve > >> >world peace. > >> > > >> >UNITING TWO GREAT VISIONS TO ACHIEVE COMPLETE PHYSICAL > >> >SUCCESS FOR ALL HUMANITY (Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, > >> >1895, and the Apollo moon landing, July 20, 1969), TO CREATE > >> >A DYNAMIC SYNERGY THAT WILL OVERCOME ALL OBSTACLES TO THAT > >> >GOAL. The first detonation of a nuclear bomb (July 16, 1945) > >> >symbolizes an obstacle to the uniting of these two great > >> >visions. But every adversity brings with it an equal or > >> >greater advantage. The Nuclear Age gave us a new view of > >> >physical reality that is necessary to achieve the total > >> >transformation of the human environment. > >> > > >> >Our new understanding of physical reality that the Nuclear > >> >Age brought is central to humanities ability to achieve world > >> >transformation. Soon, as time allows, I'll explain more > >> >deeply how significant this new world view is, and how, as a > >> >result, we now have the potential, that we did not have > >> >before, to rapidly achieve the total transformation of the > >> >human environment for the benefit of all humanity. > >> > > >> >The Countdown will be in conjunction with the Design Science > >> >Exposition: The Official Trade Show of the Millennial Design > >> >Science Revolution. These projects, and many more, will be > >> >hosted on the Spaceship Earth Science City website, the > >> >Official Website of the Millennial Design Science Revolution, > >> >dedicated to the achievement of complete physical success for > >> >all humanity within the first decade of the 21st century. > >> > > > snip > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, write to Tetworld-unsubscribe@listbot.com > > MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with > > your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com > > > > -- > Regards, > Mark Siegmund > email: siegmund@thegrid.net > Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game > Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html > Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > The Tetworld Story: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm > Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) > http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html > To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept > and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development > list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:21:28 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Q-P] Medical care <> Brian Hutchings 13-AUG-1999 13:21 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us SUBJECT: Re: [Q-P] Medical care MESSAGE from =r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.U 13-AUG-19 13:08 <> Brian Hutchings 13-AUG-1999 11:54 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Marx and his family were literally starved by a benign neglect from Engels et al in London and abroad, which may be ironical, or proof of his insufficient comprehension of the "Invisible Handedness" of the oligarch. Engel's inheritance was based upon the outsourcing of the production of cotton to the Southern USA Slaveocracy, which was a very chivalrous young aristocracy, premised upon the clause of John Locke's S.Carolina Const.of "Life, Liberty and Property" wherein indentured servant's children were also. In other word, Imperialism. it's mostly true that Gauss' implied King of the Sciences, physical economy, is releagated in the USA to the feudal theory of *laissez-faire* in the earning of an MBA, and look no-further than our Phedrul Reezurv Chairboy, Al Greenspan, who is probably still worshipping at the grave of Ayn Rand, his mentor in the "Class of'42". however, it was not always thus! as for "lumping in" physics with auto-mechanics, someone should attempt to do that for the Queen, for the latter is the total extent of her education (aside from horse-breeding, heraldry and geneology !-) thus quoth: If I understand your question, the answer for the U.S. is "nothing at all". Economics is a non-subject in most public schools in the U.S.. If it is and, I still would like to know about the English "Public" school curriculum. in any case, the most pernicious legacy of the marxian equation of "capitalism" with British Liberal Free Trade (E.India Co.promotions of the Haleyboro College authors like Mills, Ricardo etc., but extending certainly to Smith at Edinburgh) is this bad nominalism; "capitalism" is merely a technical term of economics, not "Adam Smith's Money Love" !! I must dysagree with the other guy, that "defense is welfare for the rich" neccesarily; otherwise, all you have are the mercenaries of the imperialists who can afford them. this is why the Colombian military is politically hobbled against the narcotrafficking of the FARC, which was recntly approahced by the head of the New York Stock Exchange! (for deep background, see the book, _Dope, Inc._, now in its 3rd mass-market paper edition; "The book that drove {Sir} Henry K., crazy!" nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say-no-more, say-no-more !-) --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm anyway, how can you grok latter-day imperialism, and not square it with teh abomination of the Bush "dynasty" ?? see the book, _The End of History_, which is nothing but the officially unofficial biography of that Imperium, however based upon the failed premise of having won the'92 election -- thank God; this, in the sense that Hegel was the hagiographer (and state philosophe, Fukiyama's would-be-still role) of Prussia. however, Bush is a very extreme anglomaniac, as you can see. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:26:16 EST Reply-To: coolbear@earthlink.net Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jonathan Thompson Subject: Geodesic Math and How to Use It MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Greetings, everyone I have been searching for a copy of that book, for several years now. anyone know where I can find one (without having to wait for the very indeterminate time for it to be copied to the webpage, assuming that permission is ever given). I am in central Indiana, and I will peruse the univiersity libraries and search there, but I will be pleasantly surprised if it is available there. I have been wanting to do some physical modeling, using my computer to print out the sides of the dome /sphere, and make modifications. I would really love to find the information so I can have a complete understanding of the how and why of the calculations. I am not looking for philosophical answers, and the project I am working on requires a significantly more detailed comprehension of the math than I can grok from Dome C++ code alone. Thank you! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:31:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic Math and How to Use It Comments: To: coolbear@earthlink.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan, Go to the bottom of my Biblio web page http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/1Biblio.htm. You will see a list of used books links that may have the book you are looking for. Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Jonathan Thompson wrote in message news: <199908140018.RAA10265@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > Greetings, everyone > > I have been searching for a copy of that book, for several years now. > anyone know where I can find one (without having to wait for the very > indeterminate time for it to be copied to the webpage, assuming that > permission is ever given). I am in central Indiana, and I will peruse > the univiersity libraries and search there, but I will be pleasantly > surprised if it is available there. I have been wanting to do some > physical modeling, using my computer to print out the sides of the dome > /sphere, and make modifications. I would really love to find the > information so I can have a complete understanding of the how and why > of the calculations. I am not looking for philosophical answers, and > the project I am working on requires a significantly more detailed > comprehension of the math than I can grok from Dome C++ code alone. > Thank you! > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:07:52 +0430 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: aagdii@DDS.NL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi f, here is my web page adress: http//members.tripod.co.uk/fuel/index-4.html take in account that it is not finished yet, and that i am dumb when it comes to computers andi don know how to use page tools. i have good idea about how it should go, but i still lack sources of numbers. the idea is to give a general understanding of what is at hand and i delibratly changed some numbers. the sources are from different places. but i was not careful to record where i got the numbers. i know that i have quite correct ones in general. i was quite disorganised, well the hell, it was quite frustrating to look for all kind of materials. you will never find what i listed here together anywhere. also i have difficulty finding books-live on the fringes of the the capital security system and dont believe in money- i mean i am not motivated. i hope the adress is correct. i still need to listed it in search engines under statistics, fuels, numbers, world inventory, critical varibles, forest, logistics ect. reality is mathmatical- f - one after affect of fuller is that everyone is competing now,but in fact no one realy cares what another is doing even if they were a shakspear, i dont know why anyone wants to compete. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 09:51:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tagdi, Glad to see that you have your own web page! Only a few suggestions: Put a colon (:) after "http"; make the text a little bigger; put your name at the bottom of the page; put your email and web addresses on the bottom of the page. Great start. Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ wrote in message news: <497842396.934634272803.JavaMail.aagdii@dds.nl>... > hi f, > > here is my web page adress: > http://members.tripod.co.uk/fuel/index-4.html > > take in account that it is not finished yet, and that i am > dumb when it comes to computers andi don know how to use > page tools. i have good idea about how it should go, but > i still lack sources of numbers. the idea is to give a > general understanding of what is at hand and i delibratly > changed some numbers. the sources are from different places. > but i was not careful to record where i got the numbers. > i know that i have quite correct ones in general. > i was quite disorganised, well the hell, it was quite > frustrating to look for all kind of materials. you will > never find what i listed here together anywhere. > also i have difficulty finding books-live on the fringes of > the the capital security system and dont believe in money- > i mean i am not motivated. > > i hope the adress is correct. i still need to listed > it in search > engines under statistics, fuels, numbers, world inventory, > critical varibles, forest, logistics ect. > > reality is mathmatical- f > - > one after affect of fuller is that everyone is competing > now,but in fact no one realy cares what another is doing > even if they were a shakspear, i dont know why anyone wants > to compete. > > tagdi > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 10:16:57 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: CRITICAL PATH(S) Comments: To: GENI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter, After reviewing my collection of materials, I am shocked to realize that (to my knowledge) there are NO web pages on the Internet devoted to any of Bucky's Critical Path concepts! Also, you should know that my Master Index contains only PUBLISHED indexes; many Bucky books that may have sections dealing with critical path ideas have, as yet, not been indexed. However, in my opinion, the best Global Energy Utility critical path material is on pages 216-57 of 'Energy, Earth & Everyone' (1980) by Medard Gabel, et al. See especially pages 233-45 & 246-55. Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ PS: According to an Internet search, there is commercial critical path planning software available. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:25:40 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: verbatim <> Brian Hutchings 15-AUG-1999 15:25 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us SUBJECT: Re: [Q-P] Health Care MESSAGE from =r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.U 14-AUG-19 16:46 <> Brian Hutchings 14-AUG-1999 16:35 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us thus quoth: such laws necessary if the postal system is so efficient? Why are the frequent increases in postage required over a period when inflation has been practically zero? such is a monetarist fiction. currently, an amzing trade-deficit with global, fire-sale markets is providing this monetarist wonder, while at the same time bankrupting most of the productive sectors of society, as with such low commodity prices, til at leat recently. I mean the USA vis-a-vu developing world, in particular, and the global derivatives bubble at the top. as Sakakibara called the US, Bubble.com, and he ought to know, considering the recent bailout fiasco of Tiger Mgmt., with the screaming help of the "Yen carry trade". Qui bono? thus quoth: Every study I've seen indicates that the U.S. Social Security system is producing returns far far below returns on blue chip private securities [which are probably as safe or safer]. Presuming that those securities are same thing. particularly look at the historical suckers-market for what are now called mutual funds; see the relavent chapter of Tarpley's new book-on-disk, http://www.tarpley.net, as with Eddie George's recent scam of literally stealing the gold of the Bank of England for a closed bid at depressed prices, after a co-ordinated sell-off thorughout the Emp-- I mean, Commonwealth, with help from other central banks. perhaps, some of us are going to be culled from the *shallow end* of the gene pool, at any moment. --The duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:26:10 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings <> Brian Hutchings 15-AUG-1999 15:26 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:27:03 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: verbatim <> Brian Hutchings 15-AUG-1999 15:27 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us SUBJECT: Re: [Q-P] Health Care MESSAGE from =r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.U 14-AUG-19 16:46 <> Brian Hutchings 14-AUG-1999 16:16 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us thus quoth: a "socialist" government. This "wave of famine" is being accomplished by the US and its little brother the UK. The illegal bombing in Yugoslavia right-o, Mate: the Commonwealth is only 57 countries, and the Queen who is the head of it has no power, whatsoever -- "British Intel. HQ" is just a Monty Python skit, as with the cuddly Austin Powers, although it's the largest such organization on Earth. and when Tony Blair's Commander in Chief gets PMS, watch out for small, flying wars! thus quoth: illegal US bombing of Cambodia, and the US support of Pol Pot. now, wouldn't you rightly blame Sir Henry the K.for that, as much as any single person?... this is the guy who gloated, in a speech at Chatham House, that he'd always taken more advice from the Foreign Office than from his own State Dept. now, as for the US/UN intransigence in Indochina and particularly Cambodia, recall the vast voting-bloc for the day-to-day legislation and operations of the UN, just mentioned; is that significant, with the role of Sir Henry? thus quoth: was socialist in the sense that the US is socialist. It was largely industrialists who backed Hitler. Workers never owned the means of this is simply a cover-story, perhaps not yours. the unelectable Hitler required the financial backing that was given to him by the Brown Bros Harriman private, angloamerican banking syndicate, the largest at the time, through the largesse of the CEO of Union Bank, a wholly-owned subsidiary headed by Prescott Bush. this bank was charged under the Trading with the Enemy Act, but Truman let it slip by, at the behest of Averell Harriman (as with the 2 bombs, lobbed over MacArthur's head). the "Nazis" used the most dispicable form of "primitive accumulation", the working to death of human chattle, which society dooms itself to ever-worsening returns on its "investment" in slave-labor camps and so on. but Hitler was no wayward Lone Nut; Hjalmar Schacht could never have promoted him without the help of his mentor, Montagu Norman of the Bank of England. (as for WW1, see the article, "E7, the Demi-urge of WW1" in the New Federalist newspaper -- the "evil" demi-urge! the full story of "Poppy" Bush is in the below-linked book. --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:30:27 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: verbatim <> Brian Hutchings 15-AUG-1999 15:30 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us SUBJECT: [lula] Saint Nick's OS ?!? <> Brian Hutchings 12-AUG-1999 2:22 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, that icky paper that had no takers, tonight?... well, it's worth knowing that it was originally known as New Solidarity, but it was forced into bankruptcy (ch.13) by the goment, along with the publications now known as EIR and Fidelio. these decisions were later overturned as "constructive frauds upon the court" -- although 3 political prisoners are still on ice, as a direct result of that bogus sting (and 4 on parole). so, perhaps you were the wiser in denying it; after all, the 5 Stages can be reduced to: Denial ... Death! that wasn't athreat, folks! for those who hold with the quaint ideal of the "objectivity" of science, please see the speech by Webster Tarpley, http://www.tarpley.net/deadhand.htm (I know the guy who asked the question, that led to the European source docs that proved this "higher hypothesis", in Cusa's terminology, of Tarpley). here's a bonus question, that Robert Anton Wilson either cannot know, or would refuse to acknowledge (the former, I think, having heard him on the radio): What was our (the USA's) 3rd war with Great Britain< but is this a trick question? the Revolution shall not be digitized; shall it? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:56:26 +0430 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: aagdii@DDS.NL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi- the statistic page again. http://members.tripod.co.uk/fuel/index-5.html still in progress, it will be finished hopefully by year 2000. i will try to correct the adress if it doesnt work. please dont be annoyed if i send few post few emails. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:00:18 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "P. O. Box 2321" Subject: FS: Applewhite PARADISE MISLAID Comments: To: Synergetics Listserv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Applewhite, E. J.: PARADISE MISLAID / BIRTH, DEATH, AND THE HUMAN PREDICAMENT OF BEING BIOLOGICAL. New York, St. Martin's Press 1991. First Edition, Fine in Fine dust jacket. 480 pages, out of print. >From 'A note to the reader' by E. J. Applewhite... "In my later years, after I had lost the solace of religion, I found I was nevertheless still obstinately concerned with salvation. [...] In forsaking the mystical realm of Christian doctrine for the physical world of nature as described by science, I still wonder whether there might be some prospect of a secular salvation, a survival of consciousness after death - ordained by biological evidence rather than religion. "The result is that, thouth I am not a biologist or a philosopher, I have come up with a book raising biological and philosophical questions about the limitations of natural life and the prospects of artificial life. [...] "After leaving the government [five years in the U.S. Navy, 25 years in the CIA] at the age of 50, I spent a decade working with Buckminster Fuller in the writing of 'Synergetics,' his system of philosophical geometry. In this book I have drawn a number of personal allusions with an indulgence approaching the autobiographical. In the case of Fuller, I realize that not everyone shares the taste I acquired many years ago for his maverick genius; as my mentor, his spirit dwells in these pages, and I quote from him copiously in anticipation of his rightful place in the world of letters." This book is a thorough examination on the definition of 'life' - or, rather, that there is no definition of 'life' that encompases all of what we consider 'alive.' Applewhite says: "I spent five years as a wandering minstrel among the learned journals of science foraging for an insight to the processes of our mortality only to come to the conclusion that living and dying are easier to describe in common everyday terms - in the vernacular - than in the disciplined language of the evolutionary and molecular biologist." Some books do not provide many answers but ask all the right questions. 'Paradise Mislaid' is such a book: informative, thought provoking, of interest to the amateur and the professional scientist alike. $17.50 postage paid anywhere in the world. Checks or money orders payable to "Trevor Blake" and payable in US currency only, please: no credit cards or cash. E-mail to reserve your copies. Trevor Blake Post Office Box 2321 Portland OR 97208-2321 USA -- http://www.box2321.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:52:44 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: danu@MONITOR.NET Subject: Re: [synergetics-l] FS: Applewhite PARADISE MISLAID Comments: To: box2321@box2321.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Trevor-- pls reserve me a copy. I'll send you a check on the 1st of Sept. Thanks for the notice & opportunity.. --Danu 978 Esther Dr. =46orestville, CA 95436 At 6:00 PM -0800 8/16/99, P. O. Box 2321 wrote: >Applewhite, E. J.: PARADISE MISLAID / BIRTH, DEATH, AND THE HUMAN >PREDICAMENT OF BEING BIOLOGICAL. New York, St. Martin's Press 1991. >First Edition, Fine in Fine dust jacket. 480 pages, out of print. >$17.50 postage paid anywhere in the world. Checks or money orders payable >to "Trevor Blake" and payable in US currency only, please: no credit cards >or cash. E-mail to reserve your copies. > >Trevor Blake >Post Office Box 2321 >Portland OR 97208-2321 USA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:20:29 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ideas of synergetics are that volumes of space are in shape without size and static to eternity. That what you do not know, is synergetic until it happens and then it is still not synergetic after that for it is known. That models of volumes are made on earth like dodecahedrons and icosahedrons etc. They are meaningless on the sun. What is true as blue sky is that all is in precession as volumes of all sizes of events, this I call in unitivity - volumetrics. For all volumes are within and with out always of other volumes from micro to macro. What I like to think about is that radii make all volumes. That these radii when they are always considered with the longest of any great circle of any precessional event. When the longest radii of any precessional event makes 4 cycles it has the area in the sweep out of the sphere it has been a radii of. All cycles are part of a potential volume sphere of its area sweep out halo. It comes to mind that all precessional events has a potential volumetric halo. At some time the radii of the earth will sweep out the area that it sweeps out around the sun and that at some time it will be equal in volume around the sun if it were a sphere if all the nano volumetric halo's of the earth and the radii of the earth's volumetric halo volume would equal the volumetric halo of its yearly orbit of the sun. These are the real workings of bucky's ideas in the future. I predict that when these numbers of data are equal that history will be made for the knowledge of order in the universe will be so precise that we shall all be awed to tears. Now unitivity concerns the process of streamlining the complex vocabulary of comprehensive anticipatorial design science as well as throwing in the glory of allowing all humans to have any thought to be included and a place for all humanity to allow no mans land of bias. To be a unitivitist is to allow the truth of human history to stand without bias and also to add that fact that gods of all kinds can live together in one cosmic volume of geometry that is on going macro and micro./ The unitific method is to always include and add together data to make principles and order to design a better model in the volume for all humanity. Each person has their unitivity volume that is defined in their way. It is always from the center of their head out from their brain. All our brains are within a 4,500 mile radii earth, except for the few that get out another 250K with Warners and Goderds rockets. The educational system should be changed to the unitific method and all humans should become unitivitists, then we would be striving to be one and not parts as we do now with war tools to hold pattern. Unitivity allows a volume for all religions to exists within and have a common ground, god is what ever you want it to be and for what ever it is it is a volume around your head. So if people have a religion that doesn't have a volume to be in it is ok as well for it will not come out and get you. Any way, radii may sweep out areas equal in many ways. a radii 1/2 the length but twice the sweep speed may be equal in the same time. I am always speaking in the same time for the areas to be equal. Like Mercury sweeps out the same area as earth in the same time but earth's orbit is much slower and bigger and fatter a circle but mercury may go around 1 and 1/2 times in the same time and make out for the loss. This goes for all the planets. They sweep out the same area in the same time. SO if the volumes of there volumetric halo's are doing the same the volumes of the radii formed would also do the same. This is where the future of synergetics is, not how many parts you can make out of a static tetrahedron. This is important, but it is a static view and the universe that we live in that is full of volumes going the speed of light makes chopped liver of these ideas as basic synergetics now. Any origin of radii forms a volume from it's behavior of being in precession from it's entropic, syntropic isotropic being. This explains all the elements and the quanta - and future synergetic compounds to be invented and discovered. Sea ya! (c) Copy Right 1999 Michael S. Mitchell Who ever you are hutch your a cool dude. Lets say you are - know Cydippe! ? :-) Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian Hutchings 12-AUG-1999 17:40 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > you had articles in the LATimes, in which they laughed at you, or > did they just snicker between the lines, Cap'n Mitch? > I don't usually advocate illicit drugs, or you could look > for some of the more outre, legal highs from equaterward, but > may be you *should* dose-up on your analog of Bear Island. > just wait'l you have your boat moored, tight! > yes, Bucky's daddy sent him to Milton Acadamy and Hahvahd, > then got him the high-command on his own midsize naval vessel. > you, on the other hand, command a navEl vassal, and with your far- > seeing luck, you'll probably be there for Y20 > C, when the Phantom Red Chinese Menace takes Catalina > as a base for their new space program. > I was born in a hospital in Phoenix, AZ, a city named > after a dead bird. we actually lived in hovel of some sort in MESA, > but I never grew "up" anywhere in particular; > I have been to about 8 schools in my life. > > it is not very surprising that no-one has challenged your theory > of entropy, but has anyone ever lived through it? > for instance, you state that this theory is "why the corona is hotter > than the center", but is just an empty asserion about precession, > used as perpetually buzzing buzz-word -- pretty high! > > oh, well. > > --The Duke of Oil! > http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 03:41:58 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic <> Brian Hutchings 17-AUG-1999 3:41 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us first of all, the Keplerian "sweep-out" is not the same for all orbits; it's all in the Third Law (orbital constraint). secondly, radii are not operational; diameters (axes) are for all spinning systems. anyway, you confuse are with volume, perhaps because Bucky was fixated upon the latter in his "hierarchy". the best thing about Analtivity is that you can't smell your own stink!... anyway, maybe you're looking for Leibniz' concept, that we may live in "the best of all possible worlds", or the corrolary of "may you live in interesting times, Honey!" in short, you have no theory, but a giant Halo of swarming buzzwords; eh? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:22:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: it's just feudalism, Baby <> Brian Hutchings 17-AUG-1999 16:22 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us SUBJECT: Re: [Q-P] in the Sunday L.A.Times -- Sir Henry speweth MESSAGE from =r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.U 17-AUG-19 15:52 <> Brian Hutchings 17-AUG-1999 11:17 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us need I point out, the bizarre compilation of "no soveriegnity, domestic politics, universal slogans", again? yes, for those who believe that "capitalism=laissez-faire, equals imperialism". mais, non, not quite, although you can certainly think of imperialism as the application of *laissez-faire*, extra-domestically; at home, it's just feudalism. eh? --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:29:54 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Parabolic Domes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Spencer, Very nice! -- Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Spencer W Hunter wrote in message news:7pciko$7re$1@news.ccit.arizona.edu... > For those interested, I've posted instructions on how to construct an > hexangonal parabolic dome along with pictures of my experimental parabolic > solar reflector at: > > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~shunter/cads.html > > Look under the "Parabolic Domes" directory. > > -- > Spencer W. Hunter, Tucson, AZ. | shunter@u.arizona.edu > gopher://www.u.arizona.edu:80/hGET%20/~shunter ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:04:01 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Bonnifield Subject: taboo arithmetic and Kepler's 2nd Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Like Mercury sweeps out the same area as earth in the same time but > earth's orbit is much slower and bigger and fatter a circle but mercury may > go around 1 and 1/2 times in the same time and make out for the loss. > This goes for all the planets. They sweep out the same area in the same time. This looks like a misunderstanding of Kepler's second law, that the radius vector of a planet sweeps out equal areas in equal times, as shown in Fig. 791.01(3) in Synergetics 2. The areas are equal at different positions of the SAME planet, not for different planets. For instance, Earth sweeps out an area of pi (square Astronomical Units) in one year. That is, with a radius of 1 A.U., the pi*r*r area of Earth's orbit is 3.14 square A.U., with r=1. Mercury's orbit has a radius of 0.387 A.U., and the period of its orbit is 0.241 years. So in one year it orbits the sun 1/.241 = 4.15 times. The area enclosed in the orbit is pi*.387*.387 = .47 square A.U. That area is swept 4.15 times in the same time (1 yr) as Earth sweeps 3.14 square A.U. So Mercury sweeps 4.15 * .47 = 1.95 square A.U., not the same as Earth's 3.14. Jupiter has an orbital radius of 5.2 A.U., and a period of 11.86 years. So in one year it sweeps an area of pi * 5.2* 5.2 / 11.86 = 7.16 square A.U. Pluto (radius 39.46, period 247.7) sweeps 19.7 square A.U. in one year. Of course the planets' orbits are not exactly circular as I implied by referring to "the" radius of an orbit, but the numbers I used are actually the "semimajor axis", close enough. Kepler's discovery would not be impressive with circular orbits, it would just imply a constant speed. Kepler knew the orbits were ellipses and the speeds are not constant. Bucky drew Fig 791.01(3) with a much larger eccentricity than any of our planets have. Kepler related the small but detectable eccentricity of planetary orbits to the small changes in angular speed. The planet moves faster when it is near the sun, so the pie wedge between points A and B in Bucky's figure is wider but shorter than the pie wedge between points E and F swept out in the same time when the planet is far from the Sun and moving more slowly. For a given length of time, for ONE planet (call it X) the area swept in that time is the same (call it A), no matter where X is in its orbit. For the same length of time, another planet (Y) will sweep out a different area (call it B). No matter where Y is in its orbit, B is always the same for the same time. But A does not equal B unless X and Y have the same semimajor axis. Mercury and Earth do NOT sweep out the same areas in the same times as each other. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:20:31 +0430 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: aagdii@DDS.NL Subject: maximum memory /Fuller Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi mark, did you check the page, please tell me if you can access it. i worked a bit on it today, so now it is more full of numbers. numbers are tiring and confusing, the arrangment make them less so. and they are meant to be used as refrence. i find that when i read if i cut the information and remember only 2 of each type then i can better remember. of course you need to review later. an example i know few types of wood and 2 kinds of dogs. i have the feeling that this was the way fuller built his cosmos- two things here one there two ther two here three there and so forth. how did he precive events? still one of my questions. tagdi http://members.tripod.co.uk/fuel/index-5.html sorry: how can you have an adress automaticly attached to your email. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:03:33 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: FW: Synergetics site and correction on Tetworld Comments: cc: Tetworld@listbot.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- >From: "Mark Siegmund" >To: joemoore@cruzio.com >Subject: Synergetics site and correction on Tetworld >Date: 18, Aug 1999, 8:59 AM > > Hi Joe, found this synergetics site: > http://www.omniscient-home-school.com/index.htm > > Also at your game index I noticed the Tetworld url is: index.html > > The url which goes to the Tetworld Main Page is: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > > At any rate, thanks for the listing and your work (on my Google search > under Bucky Fuller--your site was listed--different links--hundreds of > times--very, very, excellent! > -- > Regards, > Mark Siegmund > email: siegmund@thegrid.net > Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game > Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html > Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > The Tetworld Story: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm > Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) > http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html > To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept > and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development > list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > and select the desired option. > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:42:03 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian Hutchings 17-AUG-1999 3:41 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > first of all, > the Keplerian "sweep-out" is not the same for all orbits; All planets sweep out the same area in the same time. Yes! > it's all in the Third Law (orbital constraint). secondly, > radii are not operational; diameters (axes) are > for all spinning systems. anyway, > radii sweep out areas at all levels the axes is theorigin of radii. The volumes caused by these radii as they precess as well cause halos of volume as do brass rings if you spin them. > you confuse are with volume, perhaps because > Bucky was fixated upon the latter in his "hierarchy". > > the best thing about Analtivity is that > you can't smell your own stink!... anyway, > maybe you're looking for Leibniz' concept, > that we may live in "the best of all possible worlds", or > the corrolary of "may you live in interesting times, Honey!" > in short, you have no theory, > but a giant Halo of swarming buzzwords; eh? This is your alcoholic father speaking I would suppose. four events explain simply all events; unitivity the volume of all events know till now. relativity at minimum two for any data to be known. sytrivity the reaction to data for design, at minimum three. infinity the multiplication by division of data relativity - theory of funcitions. All events are volumes in orbit and precession. they have three possible syntrivity events to occur; entropy or precession less than 90 degrees. isotropy or precession adding to exactly 90 degrees. syntropy or precessional orbits being less than 90 degrees. So what is your problem with this..? I have heard bucky state Kepler's amazement of finding the planets sweeping out the same area in the same time many times. He measured them for 21 days. The pie in the sky is equal for all of them. The second law of angular momentum also shows the isotropic area sweep out what I am saying is this happens on a nano level that was not even thought of until I thought of it. Please show me another example of someone else thinking this way and I will go along with your analtivity. Take another shot at it. I think you are wrong on this one hutch. So SOrry ~ :-) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:54:37 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic and Kepler's 2nd Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this, what I am saying is in the same time all planets sweep the same area of pie around the sun. What my theory is - is - that when the earth goes around the sun the nano level sweeps of all the 92 elements that make earth and the moon as well as the radii of the moon as well, are equal to the earths primitive sweep area sweep out. They should be exactly equal in my conservation of entropy theory. OR i hope to say law someday. I am not speaking or the second law everyone knows that. :-) just kidding. Thank you for the reply. Hutch thinks I am lost in space, but there is no such thing as space it always has attraction in it, caused by the area sweep outs. This is the reason for gravity to equal all the areas of sweep out in the opposite and equal reaction law of volumes or precession. The biggest volume in the dymaxion sense is always the unitivity volume. I am a unitivitist. Hi! Lee Bonnifield wrote: > > Like Mercury sweeps out the same area as earth in the same time but > > earth's orbit is much slower and bigger and fatter a circle but mercury > may > > go around 1 and 1/2 times in the same time and make out for the loss. > > This goes for all the planets. They sweep out the same area in the same > time. > > This looks like a misunderstanding of Kepler's second law, that the > radius vector of a planet sweeps out equal areas in equal times, as > shown in Fig. 791.01(3) in Synergetics 2. The areas are equal at > different positions of the SAME planet, not for different planets. > > For instance, Earth sweeps out an area of pi (square Astronomical > Units) in one year. That is, with a radius of 1 A.U., the pi*r*r area > of Earth's orbit is 3.14 square A.U., with r=1. Mercury's orbit has a > radius of 0.387 A.U., and the period of its orbit is 0.241 years. So > in one year it orbits the sun 1/.241 = 4.15 times. The area enclosed > in the orbit is pi*.387*.387 = .47 square A.U. That area is swept 4.15 > times in the same time (1 yr) as Earth sweeps 3.14 square A.U. So > Mercury sweeps 4.15 * .47 = 1.95 square A.U., not the same as Earth's > 3.14. > > Jupiter has an orbital radius of 5.2 A.U., and a period of 11.86 > years. So in one year it sweeps an area of pi * 5.2* 5.2 / 11.86 = > 7.16 square A.U. Pluto (radius 39.46, period 247.7) sweeps 19.7 > square A.U. in one year. > > Of course the planets' orbits are not exactly circular as I implied by > referring to "the" radius of an orbit, but the numbers I used are > actually the "semimajor axis", close enough. Kepler's discovery would > not be impressive with circular orbits, it would just imply a constant > speed. Kepler knew the orbits were ellipses and the speeds are not > constant. Bucky drew Fig 791.01(3) with a much larger eccentricity > than any of our planets have. Kepler related the small but detectable > eccentricity of planetary orbits to the small changes in angular > speed. The planet moves faster when it is near the sun, so the pie > wedge between points A and B in Bucky's figure is wider but shorter > than the pie wedge between points E and F swept out in the same time > when the planet is far from the Sun and moving more slowly. > > For a given length of time, for ONE planet (call it X) the area swept > in that time is the same (call it A), no matter where X is in its > orbit. For the same length of time, another planet (Y) will sweep out > a different area (call it B). No matter where Y is in its orbit, B is > always the same for the same time. But A does not equal B unless X and > Y have the same semimajor axis. Mercury and Earth do NOT sweep out the > same areas in the same times as each other. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:08:27 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Spaceship Earth--Tetworld--control/game room? Comments: To: tetworld@listbot.com Comments: cc: tetglobal@listbot.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, I was thinking about the visual representation of a (or the) world game as envisioned by Fuller. Huge dome, huge electronic dymaxion map with millions of display bulbs, tier for players overlooking same, etc.. I think it would be great to have that image at the Tetworld site...and am wondering if anyone knows of such an drawing/image--and if so, possibly, how to obtain it for use? -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:13:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics site and correction on Tetworld Comments: To: Mark Siegmund MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mark, Really appreciate the feedback. Will make corrections with next update in a month or 2? (Always seems to take longer than I figure). Your site keeps getting better & better! Too bad we didn't have these tools years ago, but I guess Evolution has its reasons. Anyway, I feel privileged to be doing what I'm doing. Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Siegmund To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 8:59 AM Subject: Synergetics site and correction on Tetworld > Hi Joe, found this synergetics site: > http://www.omniscient-home-school.com/index.htm > > Also at your game index I noticed the Tetworld url is: index.html > > The url which goes to the Tetworld Main Page is: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > > At any rate, thanks for the listing and your work (on my Google search > under Bucky Fuller--your site was listed--different links--hundreds of > times--very, very, excellent! > -- > Regards, > Mark Siegmund > email: siegmund@thegrid.net > Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game > Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html > Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > The Tetworld Story: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm > Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) > http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html > To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept > and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development > list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > and select the desired option. > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:26:39 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: t,g Re: Synergetics site and correction on Tetworld Comments: To: tetworld@listbot.com, tetglobal@listbot.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi again Joe... Me too... You know if we had something (anything) like what you are doing, for Tetworld...we'd be at least half way there... Mark > Hi Mark, > > Really appreciate the feedback. Will make corrections with next update in a > month or 2? (Always seems to take longer than I figure). Your site keeps > getting better & better! Too bad we didn't have these tools years ago, but > I guess Evolution has its reasons. Anyway, I feel privileged to be doing > what I'm doing. > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Siegmund > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 8:59 AM > Subject: Synergetics site and correction on Tetworld > > >> Hi Joe, found this synergetics site: >> http://www.omniscient-home-school.com/index.htm >> >> Also at your game index I noticed the Tetworld url is: index.html >> >> The url which goes to the Tetworld Main Page is: >> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html >> >> At any rate, thanks for the listing and your work (on my Google search >> under Bucky Fuller--your site was listed--different links--hundreds of >> times--very, very, excellent! >> -- >> Regards, >> Mark Siegmund >> email: siegmund@thegrid.net >> Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game >> Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html >> Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html >> The Tetworld Story: >> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm >> Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) >> http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html >> To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game > concept >> and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development >> list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html >> and select the desired option. >> > > -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:35:10 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Update re Quadrays etc. In-Reply-To: <199908181603.JAA26314@pop.thegrid.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some of you have been tracking the quadrays thread. Like Cliff Nelson, a few of us have been looking at alternative non-xyz coordinate systems with applications to Fuller's=20 synergetic geometry. Our efforts were launched on=20 Synergetics-L by David Chako, who sparked some interest, and continues to pioneer related concepts under the heading of "tetrays". Tetrays use the (k,k,k,k) freedom (see below) to introduce a time "axis" in supplement to the spatial=20 aspect of vectors. Cliff has been working on yet another system, using Mathematica as his primary development=20 environment. Coupled with synergetics, quadrays give an easy way of mapping the concentric hierarchy. I've developed a 26-point vocabulary (A-Z) of key points, working out from the tetrahedron thru duo-tet, octahedron, rh dodecahedron and cuboctahedron. My rhombic triacontahedron class, a subclass of Poly, inherits=20 these 26 points, and jitterbugs a few of them, to form the=20 basis points for building 5-fold symmetric members: the=20 icosahedron and its dual, the pentagonal dodecahedron. Here's some Python code showing the building of the 26 points, and a graphic showing where they are in the concentric hierarchy: #A-Z form the basic "vocabulary" of needed vertices. The Rhtriac #subclass jitterbugs O-Z to support derivative points a-t (lowercase) #(Icosa and Pdodeca are both subclasses of Rhtriac) A=3DVector(quad=3D(1,0,0,0)) B=3DVector(quad=3D(0,1,0,0)) C=3DVector(quad=3D(0,0,1,0)) D=3DVector(quad=3D(0,0,0,1)) =20 E=3D-A; F=3D-B; G=3D-C; H=3D-D I=3DA+B; J=3DA+C; K=3DA+D; L=3DB+C; M=3DB+D; N=3DC+D; =20 O=3DI+J; P=3DI+K; Q=3DI+L; R=3DI+M; S=3DN+J; T=3DN+K U=3DN+L; V=3DN+M; W=3DJ+L; X=3DL+M; Y=3DM+K; Z=3DK+J =20 Graphic at: http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/oop6.html Quadrays are a brand of simplicial coordinates, or at least seem very close to these -- different perhaps in that the=20 former are generally presented as zero-normalized, meaning=20 if you have vertex (a,b,c,d), then a+b+c+d=3D0. Quadrays permit=20 this as an option, as shown to me by Tom Ace (I'd been=20 a bit dim witted about this before, thinking zero-normal- ization, even as an option, would cramp my style). Quadrays bear a family resemblance to barycentric coordinates=20 (championed by Mobius) but not the same. I had an article published, in part about about the quadray system, in=20 =46oxPro Advisor, in March of this year. The emphasis here, as in a lot of my writing, was curriculum design (teaching object oriented programming using polyhedra, streamlined=20 through quadrays and synergetics, is my idea of a useful 21st century approach to relevant knowledge/skill aquisition). Back to quadrays: as explained on my intro page, you can=20 normalize to all-positive, which is my default, as this form=20 shows how every point in volume might be expressed as a sum=20 of 4 scaled, tetrahedron center-to-vertex vectors, without=20 the need for mixing signage (xyz needs positive and negative=20 add symmetry -- the 3 positives alone don't have the balance=20 of the 4 quadrays, are supplemented with 3 negatives to form=20 the classic xyz "jack" apparatus). It's this 4-basis vector approach to volume which ties directly to Fuller's usage=20 pattern around the meme "4D". He didn't mean 3D + Time. He meant the tetrahedron is primitive. The 4 quadray vectors are indeed "basis vectors" (linearly independent) if we=20 restrict "scaling" to mean "grow/shrink" and not "reversal" (which is what the negative sign accomplishes). I discuss this matter at http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/quadphil.html Simplicial coordinates are also typically presented as a projective geometry, perhaps orthogonally projected as=20 when (a+k,b+k,c+k,d+k)=3D(a,b,c,d) -- as with quadrays. But when 4-tuples get used, that typically flags R^4 or=20 "hyperspatial" to the mathematically sophisticated, but quadrays have a "dared to be naive" interpretation, which=20 leaves us in ordinary volume. (k,k,k,k) simply refers=20 to a "force diagram" of vectors splayed to the corners=20 of a regular tetrahedron. As such (k,k,k,k) is self- canceling, which is why (a+k,b+k,c+k,d+k)=3D(a,b,c,d). So=20 nothing 4-D about it (except in Fuller's sense of 4D, which is different -- see above). On the other hand, the=20 projective analogy from R^4->R^3 is still there and usable=20 if you want it (Tom used this analogy in some of his=20 derivations). Thanks again to Tom Ace, we now have native quadray=20 methods for incremental rotation around any of the=20 four basis vectors (1,0,0,0)(0,1,0,0)(0,0,1,0)(0,0,0,1), plus dot and cross products (the latter in 4x4 determinant form), plus a simplified distance formula (using the=20 aforementioned "normalization to zero" option). =20 I've been using Tom's input to "feed my Python" having=20 migrated from Xbase (Visual FoxPro) to Java, and most=20 recently to this 1990s very high level language (VHLL)=20 using "programming polyhedra" as my target application=20 (including variable frequency geodesic spheres). Python=20 is downloadable at no charge and free to use without=20 royalties, even in commercial applications. It runs=20 on UNIX/LINUX, Mac, and Microsoft platforms, among=20 others. O'Reilly publishes to excellent books on the language: 'Learning Python' and 'Programming Python'=20 (both available from amazon.com or your local technical=20 bookstore -- language itself at www.python.org). Tom writes CAD software for doing circuit designs and has come to quadrays without buying into the synergetics philosophy as necessarily relevant to his own -- proof=20 that you don't need to be a Buckynaut to make a positive difference and serious-minded contribution to the Fuller School. Tom is also a since-boyhood friend of my college=20 roommate Rick Sonnenfeld (Rick is now a disk drive engineer in Silicon Valley).=20 Like Rick Bono's DOME and Gerald's STRUCK, my programs=20 write out to POV-ray (and VRML), a high quality freeware=20 rendering program. Thanks to the POV-ray connection,=20 creative artists and power users such as Karl Erickson=20 (also a Java programmer by this time) have filled the=20 web with a lot of synergetics-relevant graphics, including=20 animations (the Richard Hawkins digital archive of=20 synergetics animations, on the other hand, has grown up=20 independently of POV-ray, given Richard's Silicon Graphics=20 background). =20 STRUCK also outputs in RWX format, which has allowed Alan=20 =46erguson and John Braley (among others) to populate AWStruck=20 with lots of synergetics sculptures (Braley's 'Caltrop recently sparked debate, as screen shots of it prompted Ken Snelson to wonder if he was being overlooked -- he wasn't -- an episode chronicled at my website, where do some webmastering for=20 Ken: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/snelson.html). AWStruck=20 is an "active world" wherein users congregate as "avatars"=20 (animated characters), and fly around while chatting, able=20 to discuss their creations in real time. Bonnie Goldstein=20 has done a great deal to pioneer this virtual worlds approach=20 to curriculum enhancement and staged several lectures in=20 ActiveWorlds, including one by Gerald de Jong and Karl=20 Erickson, about STRUCK. Unfortunately, AWStruck is Windows- only at this time. Bonnie also brought a lot of us together in real time=20 in Santa Cruz a few years ago, to explore a lot of these=20 emerging technologies and their synergizing potential. =20 Bruce Damer, author of Avatars! got to meet Gerald (in=20 the Bay Area from Rotterdam for JavaOne), and many other=20 useful meetings of the mind occured. Some of that made it to a previous writeup in '4D Chronicler' (the last issue in fact) at http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/4dv4n1.html =46or an introduction to quadrays, see: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/quadintro.html =46or a look at how these have featured in object oriented programming of polyhedra, check out my 6 chapter=20 presentation starting at http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/oop.html (Chapter 7: Playing with Python, is in the works). =46or examples of Richard Hawkins animations, follow the=20 link at the bottom of my=20 http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/modules.html, which goes to his modules animations (A and B modules). =46or Karl Erickson's STRUCK community home page, visit: http://www.critpath.org/idioverse/struck/ (based at Kiyoshi Kuromiya's Critical Path website). Check out Avatar Contest, link to danu, even my "spooky castle" MPEG if you're in the mood. =46or some screen shots of AWStruck, visit Peter Adderley's website at: http://www.acay.com.au/~adderley/awestruck/ ActiveWorlds home page: http://www.activeworlds.com/ Speaking of animations, lets not forget the gorgeous=20 Great Circle Railway cartoon, done by Mark Somers and=20 posted about to this listserv on several occasions: http://homepages.go.com/~marksomers/animatedtrain2.gif Kirby 4D Solutions ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:13:12 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Spaceship Earth--Tetworld--control/game room? Comments: To: Mark Siegmund Comments: cc: tetworld@listbot.com, tetglobal@listbot.com In-Reply-To: <199908181708.KAA10982@pop.thegrid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I think it would be great to have that image at the Tetworld site...and am >wondering if anyone knows of such an drawing/image--and if so, possibly, >how to obtain it for use? Seems that holographic globe at the Venus Project does a pretty good job. I'm not sure the "millions of bulbs" concept is any longer current design science. Sure, stadium scoreboards have gotten a lot higher rez, and the same technology might apply. But I'm thinking large screen monitors provide sharable access, without requiring everyone to go to some particular building. Or if we have such a building, then perhaps there's still a better technology than mini-bulbs for displaying global data. Pixels just make more sense to me. We shouldn't forget that Fuller was writing in the 1970s and 1980s. A lot of his artifacts made a big difference in the metaphysical realm, by sparking imaginations. But their actual physical realization, to the extent necessary, may involve technologies which are quite a bit more ephemeralized than those used in Fuller's sketches. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:49:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: Spaceship Earth--Tetworld--control/game room? Comments: To: Kirby Urner Comments: cc: tetworld@listbot.com, tetglobal@listbot.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby, all that you say is valid--it could very well be that an updated version of the concept would be better...and while I think there's a lot to be said for decentralization--and the internet is certainly that...there's also something important about symbols. There may yet remain something useful about having at least (conceptually) one "playing" site, replete with supercomputers and a vast electronic map--pixel driven or not--and the idea that world leaders/thinkers/doers would gather on the great tier above the map and "play" the game--televised for all the world to see...that is not to say, that those of us in front of our computer screens would not be tied into, and participating in that particular scenario. In fact, this concept of decentralization (e.g., internet--communications and data retreival/searches) may be integral to any updated vision as balanced against the older, earlier vision. If all of this, the centralized and decentralized vision could be captured in an artist's rendering I think it would be, if nothing else, a symbol of this (Bucky's) vision that could move us onward--as the earlier version has done for me. What elements would comprise the rendering is I guess, what we're thinking about and discussing. Would love to hear from others... Mark >>I think it would be great to have that image at the Tetworld site...and am >>wondering if anyone knows of such an drawing/image--and if so, possibly, >>how to obtain it for use? > > Seems that holographic globe at the Venus Project does a pretty > good job. > > I'm not sure the "millions of bulbs" concept is any longer current > design science. Sure, stadium scoreboards have gotten a lot higher > rez, and the same technology might apply. But I'm thinking large > screen monitors provide sharable access, without requiring everyone > to go to some particular building. Or if we have such a building, > then perhaps there's still a better technology than mini-bulbs for > displaying global data. Pixels just make more sense to me. > > We shouldn't forget that Fuller was writing in the 1970s and 1980s. > A lot of his artifacts made a big difference in the metaphysical > realm, by sparking imaginations. But their actual physical > realization, to the extent necessary, may involve technologies > which are quite a bit more ephemeralized than those used in > Fuller's sketches. > > Kirby > > -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:16:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "P. O. Box 2321" Subject: Re: Spaceship Earth--Tetworld--control/game room? Comments: To: Kirby Urner In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990818141312.03426de0@pop.teleport.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Kirby Urner wrote: > We shouldn't forget that Fuller was writing in the 1970s and 1980s. > A lot of his artifacts made a big difference in the metaphysical > realm, by sparking imaginations. But their actual physical > realization, to the extent necessary, may involve technologies > which are quite a bit more ephemeralized than those used in > Fuller's sketches. An important point well stated. This is also why Fuller's math will be relevant longer than his artifacts; making a Dymaxion Car that is 50 years ahead of its time is still an obsolete car in 50+ years, but synergetics is a much longer-term projection. - Trevor -- Post Office Box 2321 Portland OR 97208-2321 USA http://www.box2321.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:55:42 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Spaceship Earth--Tetworld--control/game room? Comments: To: Mark Siegmund Comments: cc: tetworld@listbot.com, tetglobal@listbot.com In-Reply-To: <199908182150.OAA07201@pop.thegrid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >map--pixel driven or not--and the idea that world leaders/thinkers/doers >would gather on the great tier above the map and "play" the game Might happen, but it sets up a caste (cast) system wherein some people (on camera) are projected as "leaders" while others (passive viewers) are not. That's a problem with the centralized building model. The point of World Game (as I see it), is I'm not sitting around twiddling my thumbs waiting for some president or general to do my thinking for me. Given the caliber of most politicians, I'm reluctant to let them hog the limelight yet again, with more of their tiresome "games" (World or otherwise). But given the need some people have to imagine themselves as world leaders, I can imagine Hollywood going to the trouble, with government backing. I'd probably consider any such "symbol" as just that (a symbol, or maybe as a "decoy"), but the movie production values might still be appreciable (just like all those other "situation room" aesthetics, of which the movies are already full). Re the Project Venus rendering, it appears that your chief beef with it is that the technicians are "below" the holographic world, vs. "one the great tier" looking down. I'm not sure how big a difference this makes. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:01:59 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: Spaceship Earth--Tetworld--control/game room? Comments: To: Kirby Urner Comments: cc: tetworld@listbot.com, tetglobal@listbot.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >>map--pixel driven or not--and the idea that world leaders/thinkers/doers >>would gather on the great tier above the map and "play" the game Kirby, how about if they all wear masks--many Lone Rangers working together. Or, if you don't like the leaders idea...how about featuring various teams...watching them go through their paces? Or, like a hands-on science museum...providing a "playing" experience for the visitor---again televised. Nothing like real life drama--especially if the drama is as big as this one will be. > Might happen, but it sets up a caste (cast) system wherein some > people (on camera) are projected as "leaders" while others > (passive viewers) are not. That's a problem with the centralized > building model. The point of World Game (as I see it), is I'm > not sitting around twiddling my thumbs waiting for some president > or general to do my thinking for me. Given the caliber of most > politicians, I'm reluctant to let them hog the limelight yet > again, with more of their tiresome "games" (World or otherwise). > > But given the need some people have to imagine themselves as > world leaders, I can imagine Hollywood going to the trouble, > with government backing. I'd probably consider any such "symbol" > as just that (a symbol, or maybe as a "decoy"), but the movie > production values might still be appreciable (just like all > those other "situation room" aesthetics, of which the movies > are already full). I don't have any beef with the project Venus rendering..but it is their vision of their project. I think looking down on the earth is more satisfying than looking up at it...just a psychological quirk of mine. Mark > Re the Project Venus rendering, it appears that your chief > beef with it is that the technicians are "below" the holographic > world, vs. "one the great tier" looking down. I'm not sure > how big a difference this makes. > > Kirby > > > -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:40:40 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: Spaceship Earth--Tetworld--control/game room? Comments: To: Kirby Urner Comments: cc: tetworld@listbot.com, tetglobal@listbot.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Tetworld Peace Through Development Project - > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > > At 08:01 PM 8/18/99 -0700, Mark Siegmund wrote: >>Tetworld Peace Through Development Project - > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html >> >>> >>>>map--pixel driven or not--and the idea that world leaders/thinkers/doers >>>>would gather on the great tier above the map and "play" the game >> >>Kirby, how about if they all wear masks--many Lone Rangers working together. >> > > Sounds good. I have a mask all ready: > http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/images/Kirby13a.jpg > Well I don't--other that is, than the mask I wear everyday. I've seen your mask before--is it all-purpose? Mark ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:31:44 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Spaceship Earth--Tetworld--control/game room? Comments: To: Mark Siegmund Comments: cc: tetworld@listbot.com, tetglobal@listbot.com In-Reply-To: <199908190302.UAA22133@pop.thegrid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:01 PM 8/18/99 -0700, Mark Siegmund wrote: >Tetworld Peace Through Development Project - http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > >> >>>map--pixel driven or not--and the idea that world leaders/thinkers/doers >>>would gather on the great tier above the map and "play" the game > >Kirby, how about if they all wear masks--many Lone Rangers working together. > Sounds good. I have a mask all ready: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/images/Kirby13a.jpg >Or, like a hands-on science museum...providing a "playing" experience for >the visitor---again televised. My favorite. Local hands-on science museum (OMSI) was like a religious site when I was little, a destination of many pilgrimmages. A giant World Game kind of display would have fit well near the giant walk-through heart (with lub dub sound effects). >I don't have any beef with the project Venus rendering..but it is their >vision of their project. I think looking down on the earth is more >satisfying than looking up at it...just a psychological quirk of mine. > "Theirs" "ours", same diff -- with World Game, there's only "we". Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:17:09 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Spaceship Earth--Tetworld--control/game room? Comments: To: Mark Siegmund Comments: cc: tetworld@listbot.com, tetglobal@listbot.com In-Reply-To: <199908190340.UAA25710@pop.thegrid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>Kirby, how about if they all wear masks--many Lone Rangers working together. >>> >> >> Sounds good. I have a mask all ready: >> http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/images/Kirby13a.jpg >> >Well I don't--other that is, than the mask I wear everyday. > >I've seen your mask before--is it all-purpose? > >Mark > Pretty much -- mostly it's to entertain the five-year-old. Here's an especially frightening mask I wore recently, to better fit in with the Quakers (North Pacific Yearly Meeting): http://members.tripod.com/dfabik/npym/pages/NPYM_062.htm Or this, with shades (to spare people those penetrating eyes :-): http://members.tripod.com/dfabik/npym/pages/NPYM_061.htm (warning: these load slowly (those extra chins take time)). Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:06:18 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: Spaceship Earth--Tetworld--control/game room? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>Kirby, how about if they all wear masks--many Lone Rangers working > together. >>>> >>> >>> Sounds good. I have a mask all ready: >>> http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/images/Kirby13a.jpg >>> >>Well I don't--other that is, than the mask I wear everyday. >> >>I've seen your mask before--is it all-purpose? >> >>Mark >> > > Pretty much -- mostly it's to entertain the five-year-old. > > Here's an especially frightening mask I wore recently, to > better fit in with the Quakers (North Pacific Yearly Meeting): > http://members.tripod.com/dfabik/npym/pages/NPYM_062.htm > > Or this, with shades (to spare people those penetrating eyes :-): > http://members.tripod.com/dfabik/npym/pages/NPYM_061.htm > > (warning: these load slowly (those extra chins take time)). > > Kirby > Well, of the 3, I think 062 is the best (albeit, scariest)! Mark -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:07:30 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: Spaceship Earth--Tetworld--control/game room? Comments: To: Kirby Urner Comments: cc: tetworld@listbot.com, tetglobal@listbot.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Tetworld Peace Through Development Project - > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > > > >>>>Kirby, how about if they all wear masks--many Lone Rangers working > together. >>>> >>> >>> Sounds good. I have a mask all ready: >>> http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/images/Kirby13a.jpg >>> >>Well I don't--other that is, than the mask I wear everyday. >> >>I've seen your mask before--is it all-purpose? >> >>Mark >> > > Pretty much -- mostly it's to entertain the five-year-old. > > Here's an especially frightening mask I wore recently, to > better fit in with the Quakers (North Pacific Yearly Meeting): > http://members.tripod.com/dfabik/npym/pages/NPYM_062.htm > > Or this, with shades (to spare people those penetrating eyes :-): > http://members.tripod.com/dfabik/npym/pages/NPYM_061.htm > > (warning: these load slowly (those extra chins take time)). > > Kirby > > Well, of the 3, I think 062 is the best (albeit, the scariest)! > Mark > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to Tetworld-unsubscribe@listbot.com > MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with > your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com > -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:03:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Dome Communities Comments: To: langford@internorth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Mr Langford, Please see my web page on "Cities": http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityDowntownCover.htm Also, copies of those articles should be available from the Buckminster Fuller Institute; their catalog http://www.bfi.org/shopping/purchasenew.htm contains the books that I refer to. The book '50 Years of Design Science Revolution & the World Game' is a collection of reprints and includes the "Think" magazine article. Please also see: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCrater.htm for other refs on covered cities. Oasis dome http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeOasis.htm Golf Course Dome http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeGolfCourse.htm Yacht Harbor Dome http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeHarborYacht.htm There is a search feature available at the bottom of my home page. All info at my web site is intended to be in the public domain. Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Cooper Langford To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 5:58 AM Subject: Dome Communities > Hi Joe.... My name is Cooper Langford and I work for a magazine based in > Yellowknife, NWT, Canada, called Up Here. Each year, we publish an > annual called Winter Living and I am currently working a story for this > issue about the concept of dome communities. > > I noticed some references to articles by Buckminster Fuller on your > website and was wondering if you knew how I could get copies. > Specifically, I'm looking for "Why Not Roofs Over Our Cities" from IBM's > Think magazine (1/2 1968) and "The Age of the Dome" from Build > International (7/8 1969). > > Any assistance you can provide in tracking down these articles is > greatly appreciated. Also, I'm trying to find information on BF's 1968 > proposal to build a dome over New York City. Do you know where I can > find more info? > > Thanks, > > > Cooper Langford > Editor, Up Here > Box 1350 > Yellowknife, NT > Canada > X1A 2N9 > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:04:13 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: GEODESIC DOMES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/D.htm -- Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:04:15 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Update re Quadrays etc. Comments: To: Kirby Urner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby, Very nice graphic of Bucky's Unified Field Model! Kirby Urner wrote in message news: <37bbdbd7.153305405@alumni.princeton.edu>... > (snip) > > Graphic at: http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/oop6.html > and http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/graphics/fancy.jpg > (snip) (See also my UFM page at http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IntroGeomUnifiedField.htm) Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:01:03 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: FW: tgb Kirby's gone and done it again! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, I have to say that your home-made model ain't too shabby either! Mark ---------- >From: "Mark Siegmund" >To: tetglobal@listbot.com >Subject: tgb Kirby's gone and done it again! >Date: 19, Aug 1999, 9:58 AM > > Tetworld Belize Development Project - > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html > > Kirby, I'll second Joe on this one! Very Nice! > > Mark > > ---------- >>From: Joe S Moore >>To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >>Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>Subject: Re: Update re Quadrays etc. >>Date: 19, Aug 1999, 9:04 AM >> > >> Kirby, >> >> Very nice graphic of Bucky's Unified Field Model! >> >> >>> >>> Graphic at: http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/oop6.html >>> >> and http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/graphics/fancy.jpg >>> >> (snip) >> >> (See also my UFM page at >> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IntroGeomUnifiedField.htm) >> >> Joe S Moore >> mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com >> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute >> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to bzdev-unsubscribe@listbot.com > MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with > your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:00:59 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: was:Re: Spaceship Earth--Tetworld--control/game room? <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 11:00 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us oops. <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 4:45 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us excuse me, but this is somwhat annoying, for folks to quote a giant ream of ****, and then add a sinly line of comment at the very end, but without even any spacing to delineate it, and so forth. I won't say *how* annoying it is, because I'm just such a civil guy. thus quoth: ... hm; my paste isn't working; oh, well. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:04:29 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Update re Quadrays etc. <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 11:04 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us >what is the Unified Field Theory? > >thus quoth: > > Graphic at: http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/oop6.html > > > and http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/graphics/fancy.jpg > > > (snip) > > (See also my UFM page at > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IntroGeomUnifiedField.htm) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:45:42 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Update re Quadrays etc. In-Reply-To: <000101beea5c$7c3213a0$123cfea9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey thanks Joe. =46olks, I meant to mention in my recent update that Joe Moore=20 was one of the Buckynauts I finally got to meet in person at Bonnie's shindig in Santa Cruz that time. And it's Bonnie DeVarco, not Goldstein (was getting my chapters mixed up). Joe is a big friendly guy with a garage full of aging models, and a website chock-o-block with Buckynalia, a veritable=20 =46ullerama of exhibits. Speaking of exhibits, got my latest TrimTab today, re the=20 exhibit in Switzerland, new website, and the move to=20 Stanford U. Glad to see that mailing coming out with=20 greater frequency these days. Enhancements to the website are welcome too. Kirby >Kirby, > >Very nice graphic of Bucky's Unified Field Model! > >Kirby Urner wrote in message news: ><37bbdbd7.153305405@alumni.princeton.edu>... >> >(snip) >> >> Graphic at: http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/oop6.html >> >and http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/graphics/fancy.jpg >> >(snip) > >(See also my UFM page at >http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IntroGeomUnifiedField.htm) > >Joe S Moore >mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com >Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute >http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:05:02 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Update re Quadrays etc. In-Reply-To: <199908191804.LAA30149@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:04:29 -0700, you wrote: ><> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 11:04 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > >what is the Unified Field Theory? Sounds like someone's terminology for the concentric hierarchy,=20 which is what's depicted. Sounds like a namespace usage that'd collide with others, if not properly qualified, if ya know what I mean. But Joe Moore is properly qualified, so hey, what's to worry? Alfred E. Newman and I plan to not.[1] Rest assured that my marketing of Quadrays [TM] keeps the hype=20 to a minimum. I take the hyperspace *out* of 4-tuple geometry in fact (where the voguish thing this century has been to pack in as much "hyper" lingo as feasible -- and lets not forget=20 "turbo" in the PC realm). Which isn't to say we can't get=20 mileage out of the R^4 connection. After all, R^4 is chock-o- block with smart cookies, and it'd be a waste not to tap into all that talent and skill. If Joe wants to congratulate me for a snapshot of the UFT,=20 I'm easy: I've got my own resonance patterns to fit with that. =20 But if I'm talking to an MIT professor, I'll switch lingos=20 ("when in Rome...") so as not to cross wires too seriously. =20 We call this "diplomacy". Kirby [1] There's a rumor afoot that Alfred E. Newman is somehow related to subgenius founder Bob Dobbs -- perhaps a godfatherly connection, although the more subversive of rumor mongers=20 suggest Bob might have actually sired the boy. Compare mug shots and draw your own conclusions: Alfred: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5324/alfred.gif Bob: http://rampages.onramp.net/~searcy/dobbs.jpg > >thus quoth: > > > Graphic at: http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/oop6.html > > > > > and http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/graphics/fancy.jpg > > > > > (snip) > > > > (See also my UFM page at > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IntroGeomUnifiedField.htm) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:17:31 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic In-Reply-To: <37BA71DB.79C14D00@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I have heard bucky state Kepler's amazement of finding the >planets sweeping out the same area in the same time many times. >He measured them for 21 days. The pie in the sky is equal for all of = them. > The same planet sweeps out the same area in the same time. Earth sweeps out area X in 21 days. In the next 21 day period, it sweeps=20 out the same area: X. =20 Does Mars sweep out area X in 21 days? No. Does Jupiter? No. =20 Jupiter sweeps out area Y in 21 days, where X and Y are not the same. =20 And in the next 21 days, Jupiter sweeps out another Y, while Earth=20 does its X. Mars, meanwhile, does its Z. Here's a table, perhaps from some astronomical journal of higher learning, which summarizes this information in a way I expect you will understand (given you're an expert in Unitivity Theory): Areal Time increment in Cosmological Units: sweepout of: 21 days 21 days 21 days = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Earth X X X Jupiter Y Y Y Mars Z Z Z If you're preaching that all planets sweep out the same "pie in the sky" as *each other* in 21 days, then you're totally out to lunch. Speaking of lunch, I believe it's time. Urner out. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:42:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Update re Quadrays etc. <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 13:42 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us does this also unhinge the doctor of *Dr.Dobb's Journal* "of 1984" ?? thus quoth: Alfred: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5324/alfred.gif Bob: http://rampages.onramp.net/~searcy/dobbs.jpg Lyn: http://www.larouchecampaing.org (I was told that Dobbs, in the same NYC mellieu at the time, was an assiduous reader of *Campaigner*, *Fusion* et al .-) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:45:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Update re Quadrays etc. <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 13:45 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us don't blame me for this, because I was only an occaisonal visitor to the BFI in Culver City, where Bonnie G. met Bobby de; just an acquaintance. thus quoth: DeVarco, not Goldstein (was getting my chapters mixed up). ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:53:05 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: the Union label! <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 13:53 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us STATE OF THE UNION Please enter your response: > > SUBJECT: Re: [Q-P] capitalism vs. socialism > MESSAGE from =r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.U 19-AUG-19 13:06 > <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 11:47 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > to steal from Dow Jones, Inc., > "daffynitions" -- > Capitalism is capital against Man; > Socialism man against Capital. > this seems to be akin to the mainstream dysjuncture > between the perfervid MBA schools of neolib/neocon free-tradism, and > the necromarxist ideologs of the secular, state universities, > esp.in Gr.Britain (and the Commonwealth). > that the republican form was laways predicated upon the cause > of the General Welfare, since the time of Louis XI > --"la Republique Premiere", and try to ignore Napoleon's version!-- > seems to be lost in the definitional fray; eh?... anyway, > the whole purpose of the republic is to promote the general welfare, > via dirigist flows of *national* credit-making > to "promote manufactures" and the building & maintenance > of infrastructure, and whatever is *required* for the general welfare. > I happenned to find a copy of the MYTimes, over a year ago, > and a letter from a professor of history showed that > the NYC water-system had to be taken-over by the City, > when the private operators had been found to be causing an epidemic > of cholera. this was the Chase-Manhattan syndicate, > which later got into another business . > it's not that such things cannot be provided by the "private sector", > but *deregulation* is not the way to do that (I say this, > in wathcing what is going on with the DWP, here in LA, > led by an appointee of a radical free-trader, > the Mayor and "investment banker"). > > anyway, these *supranational* entities and their "trilateralite" cross- > memberd boards, whould not be called just "international" or > "multinational", because they are anti-nation-state (republic). > this includes the austerity-mongering IMF and World Bank > as sub-UN agencies. > as for Castro, he is the longtime head of the Sao Paolo Forum, > which is "the central committee" of the Ibero-American narcoterrorists. > "Latin America" is the formulation of the bloody dictator, > the Hapsburg Maximillian Emperor of Mexico, whose defeat\ > by Juarez and Lincoln is celebrated on Cinco de Mayo. he was als known > as one of "Palmerston's 3 Stooges". Castro is a "Synarchist" > from the Sorbonne, associated with Jacque de Menil and his wife, > Mitterand etc. -- what is in a name? > > thus quoth: > Not true at all. The countries af the third world are > being run like giant slave camps to provide cheap labour > for the large internationals. They profit greatly from > this. > > > well, that is not to say anything nice about Teddy Roosevelt and > his Cuban imperialism, nor Dick Nixon's Bay of Pigs invasion! > > --"The Bay of Pigs thing!" > http://www.tarpley.net/bushjfk.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:56:08 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: the Union label! <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 13:56 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us SUBJECT: Re: [Q-P] Health Care - again Pt. IA MESSAGE from =r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.U 19-AUG-19 13:06 <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 12:17 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us "recitation of cultural history" is quite central to this; it has been said that the "multiculturalism" curricula, such as the "World of Difference" programme of the ADL of B'nai B'rith --it's not a Jewish organization per se, in spite of the Hebrew-- is a travesty education, because "there is one culture of the USA, that is the republican one", not a Jacobin "democracy" of the corporatist elite (CFR, Trilateral Commission etc.; see Holly Sklar or, even Nim Chimpsky -- or just go to the source, such as the TC's programmatic "Crisis in Democracy" series of Zbiggy et al "geopoliticains" !-) you seem to assume that the cost-increases are strictly due to the goment's not knowing what the "Hand Invisible" is up to, and getting in the way of "private vices, pulbic virtues", but we have traced a long-standing *monetarist* thwarting of our national (USA) ideals, as most-humbly embodied on the platform-plank of "controlled disintegration of the economy", in speeches both here & in England (Chatham House, I think it was), from the '70s. however, monetarism was halfway enshrined by the Reserve Act, anyway, which modeled El Phed upon the Bank of England; this was one of Kennedy's little problems, that he tried to change via Executive Order (11110, as I recall). thus quoth: movement from a fee for service system toward a public system is responsible for the massive increases in the price of medical care that have occurred in the U.S. in recent decades. I see no counter ARGUMENTS --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushjfk.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:57:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: the Union label! <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 13:57 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us SUBJECT: Re: [Q-P] Definitions MESSAGE from =r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.U 17-AUG-19 18:18 <> Brian Hutchings 17-AUG-1999 16:20 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us this dictionary is clearly influenced by the Chicago School of Dewey et al, and his predecessors like John Stuart Mills, who was East India Co.Intel., and all of the "British Liberal" establishment of the Hellfire Club & so forth. I mean, why do you think Nobelist Friedman is such a laissez-faire feudalist?... most of our Nobel economists hail from Chicago U. !! the Chicago Boys' first experiment in *laissez-faire* involved Sir Henry, "the CIA" and country in South America, and was a travesty upon the Monroe Doctrine (of John Q.Adams). it is very unfortunate that the followers of Adam Smith are so hegemonic in USA academe and so on -- "Adam Smith's Money Love". several of the departments of CU, if not the whole thing, were taken-over by a bunch of Fabian Socialists; so, what is in a name? thus quoth: Capitalism: 1. The economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned and operated for profit originally under fully competitive conditions. 2. The principles, power, etc. of capitalists. Capitalist: 1. A person who has capital; owner of wealth used in business. 2. An upholder of capitalism. 3.Loosely, a wealthy person. Fascism: 1. The doctrines, methods, or movement of the Fascisti. 2. A system of government characterized by dictatorship, belligerent nationalism and racism, glorification of war, etc.; first instituted in Italy in 1922. oy; what about Sparta, Honey -- waht about the Diocletian Code, or the Aechmenid Empire? --The Hitler Project! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:26:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Update re Quadrays etc. MESSAGE from ="List 19-AUG-1999 14:54 <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 13:42 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us does this also unhinge the doctor of *Dr.Dobb's Journal* "of 1984" ?? thus quoth: Alfred: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5324/alfred.gif Bob: http://rampages.onramp.net/~searcy/dobbs.jpg Lyn: http://www.larouchecampaing.org (I was told that Dobbs, in the same NYC mellieu at the time, was an assiduous reader of *Campaigner*, *Fusion* et al .-) - - - - - <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 15:26 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us here's a hypothetical progenesis: Alfred and Lyn did *not* meet at a Trotskyist rally, and begat Bob, anyway, spontaneous (Platonic!) combustion. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:40:43 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Update re Quadrays etc. In-Reply-To: <199908192226.PAA31647@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:26:17 -0700, you wrote: >http://www.larouchecampaing.org Maybe you or Tarpley should run for the nation's=20 highest office? Sounds like LLR is in search of seasoned proteges: That much said in the way of general observations,=20 let us now focus upon the process I propose for=20 the coming periods of the Year 2000 campaign. If some other candidate could be recruited and=20 groomed for election, I would have to play a=20 significant catalytic role in providing that=20 candidate my assistance in pointing out the special qualifications needed to address=20 effectively the crucial economic and most=20 critical foreign-policy issues which will decide the outcome of the presently deepening=20 world economic and political crises. In other=20 words, I would have to fill the function which=20 the philosopher Plato identified as that of a=20 "philosopher king," a wise man to groom and=20 guide suitable younger prospective candidates=20 for head of state. He seems so envious of the role he imputes to the Anglo- Venetian oligarchic conspiracy, just as anxious to have=20 the ear of a next generation of "world leader" as he=20 supposes the competition to have already. So much into Goodies and Baddies that guy. What I'd call a "true blue Manichean". But what has this to do with Buckminster Fuller and=20 his works? I think it's that design science is not=20 about waiting for political big wheels to turn. They're at the slow end of the spectrum, those wheels, whereas=20 the faster action is in the higher frequency realm=20 (invisible, but where a lot of critical path innovation=20 is really in the works). Ephemeralization, TrimTabs=20 and all that, what? Kirby PS: I plan to be in the Kingdom of Lesotho for Y2K. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:16:23 -0700 Reply-To: bward@metro.net Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bruce Ward Organization: chhhyehh...right... Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > > ideas of synergetics are that volumes of space are in shape without size > and static to eternity. > > Now unitivity concerns the process of streamlining the complex vocabulary > of comprehensive anticipatorial design science > Each person has their unitivity volume that Warners and Goderds rockets??!! > > The educational system should be changed to the unitific method and > > Any way, radii may sweep out areas equal in many MICHAEL!! Christ on a Crutch, Boy!! You are about a half-bubble off plumb, and a few turns short of a full coil. The last time I heard anyone lay out that much densely packed, run on nonsense, it came from a guy who had been playing with methedrine waaayy too long. It appears to me that you are confusing long term memory with flashbacks. You may have followed Bucky around and made tapes, but you did NOT pick up an understanding of Synergetic Geometry by osmosis. I believe I bought some tapes from you (World Symposium on Humanity, Toronto, '78 or '79). Four tapes covered two speakings on two separate days. Good Sony tape, shitty recording quality, and the handwritten labels, in water soluble ink, ran at the first humidity. What concerns me most is that your ongoing and voluminous spewing of your misunderstanding of Bucky's work is going to cause a disconnect from his work by potential students. Newcomers to Bucky will not continue their search, if their first contact with him is reading the nonsense you're laying out. Stop vomiting this "unitivity" crap (or, at LEAST, stop connecting it to Bucky), and go spend some time actually studying Synergetics before you do any more damage. Thank you and Good Luck ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:33:27 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: We Can Do It Comments: To: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are three organizations that have verified that they want to participate in the First Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity and the Design Science Exposition, to be held in Austin, Texas, July 12-20, 2001. They are aware that the project is situated on a small footing at this time, but they see the potential of this vision. Roxanne Meadows has been Jacque Fresco's closest associate for almost 30 years. She writes that, "People talk around the issues but they all try to fix things within our existing system, which causes most of the problems in the first place." I hope to make their work a major part of the Expo. They have so much to offer. Check out their website. Famous designer Jacque Fresco's The Venus Project: The Redesign of A Culture. Jacque Fresco has created a comprehensive blueprint for a new and better futuristic society incorporating advanced technology and has been compared to Buckminster Fuller and Paolo Solieri as a comprehensive futuristic visionary. http://www.nas.com/venus/ Win Wenger is one of the world's foremost authorities on methods to enhance teaching, learning and creativity (http://www.winwenger.com). He founded Project Renaissance, and I believe that Buckminster Fuller was a member of the board of directors. Win Wenger has been very enthusiastic about promoting and participating in the Countdown, even though he has other obligations scheduled at that time. He has offered to help promote the event on his website and through his mailings. Mark Sigmund believes that the project deserves support and has given his endorsement and sponsorship to the event. Mark Sigmund developed the Tetworld Peace Through Development Project (http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html), is associate editor of The International Journal of Humanities and Peace (http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/ijhp1.html), and is also a former international business consultant. I have complete faith in the power of this vision to gain world-wide support and media attention. But the hardest part is the first part, getting initial supporters, sponsors, and endorsements for a new startup event. With increasing support, things begin to snowball, and we can garner the big media support that can make this a world-wide video-conferencing event. I want to hold a year 2000 event as a rehearsal and to promote the main event. The event needs sponsors and coordinators. I would especially like to hire conference and tradeshow management companies to manage the event. This would be very helpful. It is an annual event, and they could realize a substantial income working for a good cause. One important idea I have is that there are countless promoters and management companies handling the many millennial events world wide. They will be looking for an encore, and what better one is there than this. They can latch onto this event and pull it behind their other millennial events after they're over. It's an excellent idea that just needs promoting. Please let me know of anyone that can help carry these things out. Y'all get as much work done as you can. And I'll catch up with you just as soon as I can. I'll try to prioritize and get a website up. It just might help to have one in this internet age. mailto:mail@SpaceshipEarth.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:28:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic Comments: To: bward@metro.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your opinion and do not read my statements and talking for the rest of the universe then. I know what I am speaking of and I have freedom of speech to do so in this country and on the net, thank you. Just because you see something you do not comprehend then attack it not the person that is speaking. This is much like Kirby has done in the past , now ask questions and I will tell you why I think the way I do and keep the attacks to the volume at hand. I did work with bucky for 16 years alive. I do know what I am talking about so attack the message not the messenger, please. So what is it you do not understand, man! I do not do drugs as you suppose and I did 30 years ago, but bucky taught me to get out of it. TO be a unitivitist one must be one with the truth of the universe and this means being honest at all times. So lets talk about it and not attack what is not concerned with science as you have in your last statement please. Your insults are off origin of radii of the subject. I am streamlining the ideas and I did inspire bucky to invent the word syntropy with my first unitivity paper copy right 1967 when I first brought out conservation of entropy and complained that anti entropy was not a good word for the opposite of entropy. SO lets talk synergetics and I will respond accordingly about the science of life not you political opinion. Thank you in advance. :-) So what is it you do not understand what I am talking about. The exploration of thought as geometry is synergetics just because I have original thoughts this is the way it should be. Prove my thoughts wrong and I will subside to the truth otherwise tell me the reason I am wrong in my ideas, please. I do not attack you only your ideas of how everyone should think, I give options not commands. What is it you do not understand and I will calmly and considerately reply, You are the first post I have answered now I will go see what Kirby has to say. Hutch have you any more questions. Get Ed Applewhite on here and lets talk synergetics guys. I am not trying to get away with anything I am here for the duration. I make a stand on my ideas that is all. IT is like religion if you do not like it do your own. This does not allow you to take others and say they are wrong. Unititivy is all inclusive with all religions it has a volume that allows them all to be in and no one is told that they are wrong for it is only a volume of all radii that is known till now. IF new persons come on line, let them decide, I have a letter from bucky saying that he likes my integrity and my thought and that it is important see my old site which I will be rebuilding soon, before I sold his dome to The honorable William Perk. http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html By the way many of the Fuller heroes have also taken LSD before. I do not think it is a good idea to tell all. But I am honest. I took it 30 years ago when it was legal. I have not done even a joint for 10 years, i did have a hit for Christmas about 6 years ago, but only one hit and i did not inhale much. It caused cancer and as bucky stated is a communist plot to cause the Americans to lose integrity. I am against drugs 100%. They kill your integrity. I am taking a drug test soon for my drivers license if you want I will post it if you do the same. The spirit of synergetics OR energetic, synergetic geometry which was the real name, is exploration. The omni directional halo we all live in is one volume that is on going and expands with the new orbital radio telescope and is around 15 billion light years radii now last I heard. This is the unitivity volume. When you and I talk about the volume it is three events happening this is syntrivity, three events being one. Each one of us has our relativity to the universe and that is what we speak about to each other. The subdivision of the universe by division is the only path to multiplication or the theory of functions which is x and y always and only coexists or the polarity and complementarity total mode reciprocity events of precession that makes all know events. Any Questions? I have to work on my boat now, sea ya! I will read Kirby latter. You are most likely in his wolf pack. I am kicked off the syn list because he has a lack of comprehensively as well. This is what happened to bucky, if you see something new kick it out. This is why he has been neglected and my LA Times News Paper Article stated they would do the same to me. And yes see how you are acting, when you do not understand do not ask questions about the facts attack the person. This is politics as Kirby has done with the BFI and the Fuller family. It stinks. Lets talk synergetics and not attack each other as he has always done to me and others - like Michael Riversong. Mr. Riversong has great music to work on the web with. Get his tapes they are great harp music. He also has the greatest John Lennon song. He sang it on my boat once. I am working on a cruise like bucky would take with the Dioxides cruise in the Mediterranean each year, where the best minds would go for a ride on a boat and talk. If anyone is interested in going let me know? It would be 24 persons chip in on expenses and go to Santa Catalina Island and camp out for a week end and talk and eat and play music and look at the stars. Camping is 8 dollars a night per person and that is it. The boat to Santa Catalina island - Isthmus cove, for more persons would be 36 dollars round trip. I do not have a date to do so, but if anyone that is interested wants they can e-mail me and I will send the info to them. If enough people are interested I would pay for Medard to put on a world game there. The map would have to be out side there for they have no auditorium. Medard can you put it on dirt if your out there? Lets make one for dirt! We still need one the size of a foot ball field as buck and I with you talked about in 1983 in Washington D.C. Taboo arithmetic! the gods are watching? Please do not burn me at the stake for thinking what is not in the book of synergetics. This is not what Fuller is about. THink different.! Be honest though! Tell me one event in the physical universe that does not have precession in it and I will sign off the list. Bruce Ward wrote: > > > Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > > > > ideas of synergetics are that volumes of space are in shape without size > > and static to eternity. > > > > > Now unitivity concerns the process of streamlining the complex vocabulary > > of comprehensive anticipatorial design science > > > > Each person has their unitivity volume that > > Warners and Goderds rockets??!! > > > > The educational system should be changed to the unitific method and > > > > > Any way, radii may sweep out areas equal in many > > > MICHAEL!! > Christ on a Crutch, Boy!! > You are about a half-bubble off plumb, and a few turns short of a full > coil. > > The last time I heard anyone lay out that much densely packed, run on > nonsense, it came from a guy who had been playing with methedrine waaayy > too long. It appears to me that you are confusing long term memory with > flashbacks. > > You may have followed Bucky around and made tapes, but you did NOT pick > up an understanding of Synergetic Geometry by osmosis. I believe I > bought some tapes from you (World Symposium on Humanity, Toronto, '78 or > '79). Four tapes covered two speakings on two separate days. Good Sony > tape, shitty recording quality, and the handwritten labels, in water > soluble ink, ran at the first humidity. > > What concerns me most is that your ongoing and voluminous spewing of > your misunderstanding of Bucky's work is going to cause a disconnect > from his work by potential students. Newcomers to Bucky will not > continue their search, if their first contact with him is reading the > nonsense you're laying out. Stop vomiting this "unitivity" crap (or, at > LEAST, stop connecting it to Bucky), and go spend some time actually > studying Synergetics before you do any more damage. > > Thank you and Good Luck > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:37:50 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tell me where to see this data, please for a fact. Bucky has stated for many years that they sweep out the same area in 21 days. I think I trust him more than you. Thank you. X,Y,Z sweep out the same area, this is what he told me? Prove it! I trusted him and I still do. This was Kepler"s discovery of course. I am not speaking of the 2nd law of angular momentum. I know that is true. This is not part of unitivity it is part of the conservation of entropy theory of mine concerning the nano area of sweep out vs/ the primitive sweep out of the radii of any volume around an origin of radii. At some point they will be the same area this is the conservation of entropy point, this will still be there if it is not equal; but I think it is still a fact for now. I have not calculated it but I did think of it. That is why it is still a theory for now. IF it is true then I deserve a Nobel Prize. If not it is a great idea of exploration anyway. I have faith in it being a break through for the unified field theory on a physical level at any rate. Kirby Urner wrote: > >I have heard bucky state Kepler's amazement of finding the > >planets sweeping out the same area in the same time many times. > >He measured them for 21 days. The pie in the sky is equal for all of them. > > > > The same planet sweeps out the same area in the same time. Earth > sweeps out area X in 21 days. In the next 21 day period, it sweeps > out the same area: X. > > Does Mars sweep out area X in 21 days? No. Does Jupiter? No. > > Jupiter sweeps out area Y in 21 days, where X and Y are not the same. > And in the next 21 days, Jupiter sweeps out another Y, while Earth > does its X. Mars, meanwhile, does its Z. > > Here's a table, perhaps from some astronomical journal of higher > learning, which summarizes this information in a way I expect you > will understand (given you're an expert in Unitivity Theory): > > Areal Time increment in Cosmological Units: > sweepout > of: 21 days 21 days 21 days > ======================================= > Earth X X X > Jupiter Y Y Y > Mars Z Z Z > > If you're preaching that all planets sweep out the same "pie in the > sky" as *each other* in 21 days, then you're totally out to lunch. > > Speaking of lunch, I believe it's time. Urner out. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:41:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: We Can Do It Comments: To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not go to micro soft they are helping world game. Try to make world game a big part of it for that is really what you are re-inventing as GENI has. There is nothing wrong with that for at least it stops the dark ages we are in. WE only live once and our designs are all we leave behind. Artifacts are for the future and our tombstones for life. I suggest you get music and rock behind it and a movie. Spaceship Earth wrote: > Here are three organizations that have verified that they want to > participate in the First Annual Countdown to Complete Physical > Success for All Humanity and the Design Science Exposition, to be > held in Austin, Texas, July 12-20, 2001. They are aware that the > project is situated on a small footing at this time, but they see the > potential of this vision. > > Roxanne Meadows has been Jacque Fresco's closest associate for almost > 30 years. She writes that, "People talk around the issues but they > all try to fix things within our existing system, which causes most > of the problems in the first place." I hope to make their work a > major part of the Expo. They have so much to offer. Check out their website. > > Famous designer Jacque Fresco's The Venus Project: The Redesign of A > Culture. Jacque Fresco has created a comprehensive blueprint for a > new and better futuristic society incorporating advanced technology > and has been compared to Buckminster Fuller and Paolo Solieri as a > comprehensive futuristic visionary. > http://www.nas.com/venus/ > > Win Wenger is one of the world's foremost authorities on methods to > enhance teaching, learning and creativity (http://www.winwenger.com). > He founded Project Renaissance, and I believe that Buckminster Fuller > was a member of the board of directors. Win Wenger has been very > enthusiastic about promoting and participating in the Countdown, even > though he has other obligations scheduled at that time. He has > offered to help promote the event on his website and through his mailings. > > Mark Sigmund believes that the project deserves support and has given > his endorsement and sponsorship to the event. Mark Sigmund developed > the Tetworld Peace Through Development Project > (http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html), is associate > editor of The International Journal of Humanities and Peace > (http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/ijhp1.html), and is also a > former international business consultant. > > I have complete faith in the power of this vision to gain > world-wide support and media attention. But the hardest part > is the first part, getting initial supporters, sponsors, and > endorsements for a new startup event. With increasing support, things > begin to snowball, and we can garner the big media support that > can make this a world-wide video-conferencing event. I want > to hold a year 2000 event as a rehearsal and to promote the > main event. The event needs sponsors and coordinators. I > would especially like to hire conference and tradeshow > management companies to manage the event. This would be very helpful. > It is an annual event, and they could realize a substantial income > working for a good cause. One important idea I have is > that there are countless promoters and management companies > handling the many millennial events world wide. They will be > looking for an encore, and what better one is there than this. They > can latch onto this event and pull it behind their other millennial > events after they're over. It's an excellent idea that just needs > promoting. Please let me know of anyone that can help carry these > things out. > > Y'all get as much work done as you can. And I'll catch up with you > just as soon as I can. I'll try to prioritize and get a website up. > It just might help to have one in this internet age. > > mailto:mail@SpaceshipEarth.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:53:01 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Dome Communities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe S Moore wrote: > Dear Mr Langford, > > Please see my web page on "Cities": > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityDowntownCover.htm > > Also, copies of those articles should be available from the Buckminster > Fuller Institute; their catalog > http://www.bfi.org/shopping/purchasenew.htm > contains the books that I refer to. The book '50 Years of Design Science > Revolution & the World Game' is a collection of reprints and includes the > "Think" magazine article. This document has the only know to me communication about homosexuality that bucky stated should be considered a part of nature. What happens in the universe is technology and natural. I am not a homosexual but I do agree with bucky and think that we all should allow the freedom of the truth to be respected. Being a unitivitist all must be inclusive as truth heals. Only truth heals. All humanity must integrate with inclusive acceptance of truth to be comfortable with life. Women as well should be considered independent of gender in respect to data integration matrixes. My opinion! ~ :-) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:40:24 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic <> Brian Hutchings 20-AUG-1999 13:40 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I think, Cap'n Mitch was referring to Goddard, and his German counterpart, Ehricke (sp.?), whose work got a lot further (using a movie) but was unfortunately taken-over bythe Nazis. see the book, _How We Got to the Moon: the Story of the German Space Pioneers_ by Marsha Freeman (Copyr.'93 by 21st Century Science Associates; 703/777-7473) oops; just looking at the book: Ehricke *saw* "The Woman in hte Moon* at 17yo, which was a production of Oberthe, whose movie was a side-trip and prelude to experiments comprabable to Goddard's -- the peri-Roswell phenomenon of junque from the sky, or maybe the very same junk! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:12:25 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Update re Quadrays etc. <> Brian Hutchings 20-AUG-1999 14:12 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us as you say, m'Bwana! re Manicheans, see the feature-length article on the relations between the Venetian and Mongol empires, as represented in the latter days by the House of Windsor (head of Brit.Commonwealth --Sun don'rise on it-- and of largest financial empire), and the Dalia Lama #14 (head of the Holy Tibetan Empire, America's favorite airhead) -- the Godking and Godqueen of the East and West, respectively ... in New Federalist of a while ago. many pervert Plato's "philospher king" as an example of justifying oligarchism, when it merely exemplifies the philosopher, and that the best ruler (or elected official) should be that, two. so, I thank you for supporting --nay, launching!-- my candidacy for the Presidency, but I'll have to decline, but by any means support Webster T.in his bid, if any! as for "whats's to do with" Bucky, not much, coming from his self-imposed apolitical mindframe, apparently hailing from Toynbee, the Agrarian case-officer at Vanderbilt for the Brit.Empire, a university established by a Tory rail-magnate. (we have this all written "up" .-) recall the Critical Path of Apollo, and demand that the "Republicac" Congress get back to a real, manned program, instead of this "cheap, cheaper, cheapest" ideal that Goldin is now forced to fight against. obvviously, the "manning" is where "geodesics" will be most useful, and in support of such technologies "on the ground", such as in Turkey (or Los Angeles) today (tomorrow). I mean, why does "ephemeralization" have to mean that humans are precluded from Universe, beyond the upper atmosphere, just because Toynbee would've preferred that? thus quoth: PS: I plan to be in the Kingdom of Lesotho for Y2K. --The Hitler Project! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:48:30 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Dome Communities Comments: To: Cooper Langford MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cooper, No, I am not familiar with Mr Fitzgibbon or his domed community, but I would like to find out more. Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Cooper Langford To: Joe S Moore Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 5:06 AM Subject: Re: Dome Communities > Hello Joe, > > Thanks for the assist. BFI is faxing a copy of the article to me in advance > of the book. By the way, I was wondering if you were familiar with James > Fitzgibbon and his design for a domed community over Frobisher Bay (now > called Iqaluit) on Baffin Island. Again, any direction you can offer would > be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > Cooper > > ---------- > >From: "Joe S Moore" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Dome Communities > >Date: Thu, Aug 19, 1999, 5:03 PM > > > > > Dear Mr Langford, > > > > Please see my web page on "Cities": > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityDowntownCover.htm > > > > Also, copies of those articles should be available from the Buckminster > > Fuller Institute; their catalog > > http://www.bfi.org/shopping/purchasenew.htm > > contains the books that I refer to. The book '50 Years of Design Science > > Revolution & the World Game' is a collection of reprints and includes the > > "Think" magazine article. > > > > Please also see: > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCrater.htm > > for other refs on covered cities. > > > > Oasis dome > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeOasis.htm > > > > Golf Course Dome > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeGolfCourse.htm > > > > Yacht Harbor Dome > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeHarborYacht.htm > > > > There is a search feature available at the bottom of my home page. > > > > All info at my web site is intended to be in the public domain. > > > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cooper Langford > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 5:58 AM > > Subject: Dome Communities > > > > > >> Hi Joe.... My name is Cooper Langford and I work for a magazine based in > >> Yellowknife, NWT, Canada, called Up Here. Each year, we publish an > >> annual called Winter Living and I am currently working a story for this > >> issue about the concept of dome communities. > >> > >> I noticed some references to articles by Buckminster Fuller on your > >> website and was wondering if you knew how I could get copies. > >> Specifically, I'm looking for "Why Not Roofs Over Our Cities" from IBM's > >> Think magazine (1/2 1968) and "The Age of the Dome" from Build > >> International (7/8 1969). > >> > >> Any assistance you can provide in tracking down these articles is > >> greatly appreciated. Also, I'm trying to find information on BF's 1968 > >> proposal to build a dome over New York City. Do you know where I can > >> find more info? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> Cooper Langford > >> Editor, Up Here > >> Box 1350 > >> Yellowknife, NT > >> Canada > >> X1A 2N9 > >> > >> > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:49:17 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic In-Reply-To: <37BD3E0E.BDB7F526@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:37:50 +0000, you wrote: >Tell me where to see this data, please for a fact. >Bucky has stated for many years that they sweep out the >same area in 21 days. I think I trust him more than you. So you're telling us Fuller never understood Kepler's=20 2nd law? I trust Fuller more than I trust you, too. That's why I don't believe he miscommunicated the=20 facts the way you do -- which garbled facts you then=20 turn around and attribute to him. >Thank you. X,Y,Z sweep out the same area, this is what >he told me? Prove it! I trusted him and I still do. The problem is you trusted yourself without taking the trouble to verify what you thought you were getting. =20 All planets sweep out equal areas in equal times --=20 but that's comparing each planet to itself, NOT each=20 to all the others. You simply heard it wrong, drew=20 a conclusion in a sloppy manner -- something we've=20 seen you do time and time again right on this list. I hold Fuller blameless for your ignorance. You were simply one of his worst students, ever. Kirby PS: it takes about 30 seconds to find web pages on=20 Kepler's laws, if you ever want to take the trouble: http://www.cvc.org/science/kepler.htm http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/features/movies/kepler.html (movies) If you want proof, consider that Mercury=20 does a full orbit in 88 days, with an=20 average radius of 58 million kilometers. Consider that the Earth is 149.6 million clicks (on average) and sweeps an orbit in 365 days. So the area of Earth's orbit (approximating with a circle) is: PI 149.6^2 =3D 70309.34 And Mercury's: PI 58^2 =3D 10568.31 Now, what fraction of 365 is 88? 4.148. Takes Earth about 4 times longer to do an orbit than Mercury. So if equal areas in equal times meant what you thought it meant, then Earth should do Mercury's sweepout in 88 days -- about 1/4th its total area. 70309.34/4 =3D 17577.335 Not even close. Notice Mars is about 228 million clicks, and has a period of 1.88 earth years. Does it have a sweepout equal to that of the Earth's in=20 1.88 years? Earth (in time it takes Mars to do one orbit):=20 1.88 * 70309.34 =3D 132181.56 square kilometers Mars: PI 228^2 =3D 163312.55 square kilometers. Again, not no equal areas here. =46igures from: http://www.horizonenergycorp.com/hpo/solarsystem/Orbital.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:49:41 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Update re Quadrays etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, See 'Synergetics' sections 982.61 & 982.62 http://www.servtech.com/~rwgray/synergetics/toc/frameit.html and http://www.servtech.com/~rwgray/synergetics/plates/figs/plate09z.html Brian Hutchings wrote in message news: <199908191804.LAA30149@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us>... > <> Brian Hutchings 19-AUG-1999 11:04 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > >what is the Unified Field Theory? > > > >thus quoth: > > > Graphic at: http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/oop6.html > > > > > and http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/graphics/fancy.jpg > > > > > (snip) > > > > (See also my UFM page at > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IntroGeomUnifiedField.htm) > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:10:28 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: We Can Do It Comments: To: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes sir Michael, I would like to have World Game (http://www.worldgame.org/) and GENI (http://www.geni.org/) play a big part in this event. Tetworld Peace Through Development Project (http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html) is leading the pack to get this thing off the ground, and I certainly admire Mark Siegmund's vision in extending his support. Microsoft and other computer and internet companies would be important supporters that could help make the event a world-wide video-conferencing event. We'll power the event with some inspiring, hard driving rock 'n roll; We'll call it the Global Energy GEG: A Gillion Gigawatts of Punk Rock Energy (The Revolution Begins with the Punks: http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9809&L=geodesic&P=R8034) And I have a beautiful futuristic music video concept that I know you will just love. The problem for me is the time to promote the event. You can help. Help get the word out and show your support and enthusiasm for the event, and the support to make it a reality will come. Thank you Michael! Peace on Earth! mailto:mail@SpaceshipEarth.com "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: > > Why not go to micro soft they are helping world game. > Try to make world game a big part of it for that is really > what you are re-inventing as GENI has. There is nothing > wrong with that for at least it stops the dark ages we are in. > WE only live once and our designs are all we leave behind. > Artifacts are for the future and our tombstones for life. > I suggest you get music and rock behind it and a movie. > > Spaceship Earth wrote: > > > Here are three organizations that have verified that they want to > > participate in the First Annual Countdown to Complete Physical > > Success for All Humanity and the Design Science Exposition, to be > > held in Austin, Texas, July 12-20, 2001. They are aware that the > > project is situated on a small footing at this time, but they see the > > potential of this vision. > > > > Roxanne Meadows has been Jacque Fresco's closest associate for almost > > 30 years. She writes that, "People talk around the issues but they > > all try to fix things within our existing system, which causes most > > of the problems in the first place." I hope to make their work a > > major part of the Expo. They have so much to offer. Check out their website. > > > > Famous designer Jacque Fresco's The Venus Project: The Redesign of A > > Culture. Jacque Fresco has created a comprehensive blueprint for a > > new and better futuristic society incorporating advanced technology > > and has been compared to Buckminster Fuller and Paolo Solieri as a > > comprehensive futuristic visionary. > > http://www.nas.com/venus/ > > > > Win Wenger is one of the world's foremost authorities on methods to > > enhance teaching, learning and creativity (http://www.winwenger.com). > > He founded Project Renaissance, and I believe that Buckminster Fuller > > was a member of the board of directors. Win Wenger has been very > > enthusiastic about promoting and participating in the Countdown, even > > though he has other obligations scheduled at that time. He has > > offered to help promote the event on his website and through his mailings. > > > > Mark Sigmund believes that the project deserves support and has given > > his endorsement and sponsorship to the event. Mark Sigmund developed > > the Tetworld Peace Through Development Project > > (http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html), is associate > > editor of The International Journal of Humanities and Peace > > (http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/ijhp1.html), and is also a > > former international business consultant. > > > > I have complete faith in the power of this vision to gain > > world-wide support and media attention. But the hardest part > > is the first part, getting initial supporters, sponsors, and > > endorsements for a new startup event. With increasing support, things > > begin to snowball, and we can garner the big media support that > > can make this a world-wide video-conferencing event. I want > > to hold a year 2000 event as a rehearsal and to promote the > > main event. The event needs sponsors and coordinators. I > > would especially like to hire conference and tradeshow > > management companies to manage the event. This would be very helpful. > > It is an annual event, and they could realize a substantial income > > working for a good cause. One important idea I have is > > that there are countless promoters and management companies > > handling the many millennial events world wide. They will be > > looking for an encore, and what better one is there than this. They > > can latch onto this event and pull it behind their other millennial > > events after they're over. It's an excellent idea that just needs > > promoting. Please let me know of anyone that can help carry these > > things out. > > > > Y'all get as much work done as you can. And I'll catch up with you > > just as soon as I can. I'll try to prioritize and get a website up. > > It just might help to have one in this internet age. > > > > mailto:mail@SpaceshipEarth.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:02:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic (math is taboo for *certain* people) <> Brian Hutchings 20-AUG-1999 16:02 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us here's a citation for you (although I seriously even doubt Bucky's competence in "celestial mechanics", if not astronomy-per-navigation): Feynman's "Forgotten" Lecture. however, you can find the formulation of Kepler's law in any dictionary, and pehaps wrok it out algebraically from there (although Kirby did it from a table for you , that doesn't count .-) can you (count, htat is) ?? thus quoth: still a theory for now. IF it is true then I deserve a Nobel Prize. the preoper terminology is not hypothesis or theory, but science fantasy! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:11:36 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: We Can Do It Comments: To: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: > > Try to make world game a big part of it for that is really > what you are re-inventing as GENI has. Mark Siegmund has reinvented the world game with the Tetworld Peace Through Development Project (http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html). I too have reinvented the world game with a project tentatively called the Neu World Game, one of many projects that branch off from a far-reaching project called the Neumatic Universe: A Dramatic Neu World of Pneumatic Technology; You've never seen pneumatic technology like this before because you've never had a view of the universe like this before. It incorporates the extensive use of pneumatic science and technology to create a realistic, hands on demonstration of how to make the world work for the benefit of all humanity. I think it could become an up-and-coming thing, with home versions for children to play: a Design Science Revolution action set. As you probably know, soap bubbles have a prominent position in Buckminster Fuller's Synergetic Geometry, and pneumatic technologies were featured throughout many of Fuller's works, from his Dymaxion Dwelling Machines, to his promotion of compressed air power. His geodesic domes are models of soap bubbles and he said that a structural analysis of geodesic domes could only be done through pneumatics and hydraulics. Buckminster Fuller said that tensegrity structures are "pure pneumatic structures without gas support." It's a radical concept that literally turns pneumatic technology on it's head, and the Neumatic Universe is a far-reaching project with enormous educational and inspirational potential. A trade show of pneumatic science and technology needs to be an important part of the Design Science Exposition. I've been chaffing at the bit to get a good intro out on this project, but can't seem to get it out. So much vision, so little time. mailto:mail@SpaceshipEarth.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:48:32 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Update re Quadrays etc. In-Reply-To: <199908202112.OAA03583@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:12:25 -0700, you wrote: ><> Brian Hutchings 20-AUG-1999 14:12 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > as you say, m'Bwana! > re Manicheans, see the feature-length article > on the relations between the Venetian and Mongol empires, > as represented in the latter days by the House of Windsor > (head of Brit.Commonwealth --Sun don'rise on it-- and > of largest financial empire), and the Dalia Lama #14 > (head of the Holy Tibetan Empire, America's favorite airhead) > -- the Godking and Godqueen of the East and West, respectively > ... in New Federalist of a while ago. Interesting concept of "Empire" -- kinda turns the tables=20 to put the displaced and exiled in the drivers' seat, as=20 in "lording it over" (over whom, pray tell?). But in the=20 realm of ephemera, I guess I know what you mean (or at=20 least what I mean): there's political nation-state claptrap,=20 and then there's cohesion made of deeper stuff (schools of=20 thought are often more tightly bonded than some of these=20 nationalistic flavors of gas, wherein allegiance is only skin deep, easily "turned"). =20 "We humans" is what the design science ethic is after=20 (identification of your "we" with my "we", nevermind which one of us is Russian or whatever): a sense of cohesion=20 that's anathema to politics, which thrives on projecting an "other", to the point of excessive demonization and=20 ever-recycling mob-rallying war cries. =20 But with more cool headed engineering in the picture,=20 I think we can strengthen political rhetoric as well --=20 hold it to a higher standard. That's a hope anyway, with our global curriculum the focus (we identify globally as university students and faculty, only more locally as=20 decal-covered Olympians -- be those sovereign logos or=20 commercial ones). The USA is of many layers, inheriting from AngloRoman=20 traditions as just one among many. I sometimes enjoy the=20 cosmopolitan flavors that emerge from the mix, spontaneously=20 self-ordering some of the time, though foolish and short- lived on other occasions. Certainly the Anglo heritage=20 is a powerful ingredient -- although again, we're talking=20 many twisted strands, the true complexity of which I think=20 gets lost in LLR's "goodies versus baddies" story-telling,=20 which is semi-entertaining nonetheless. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:10:49 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic (math is taboo for *certain* people) In-Reply-To: <199908202302.QAA04196@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > you can find the formulation of Kepler's law > in any dictionary, and pehaps wrok it out algebraically > from there (although Kirby did it from a table for you , > that doesn't count .-) Except I didn't confirm or work out Kepler's 2nd law from a=20 table. I just plugged in some numbers to show that even if=20 we simply ASSUME the 2nd law holds, it DOES NOT follow that=20 planet A and planet B both sweep out the same area in equal=20 time as ONE ANOTHER -- we only compare a planet (or comet)=20 to itself. Earth does X,X,X... while Mars does Y,Y,Y... and=20 X is not Y. =20 Kepler never asserted that all the planets sweep out the same=20 area in 21 days, and Bucky, to the best of my knowledge, never=20 did either. But MSM has all this time willfully persisted in=20 deeply misunderstanding them both, because once he latches on=20 to an idea, however bogus, he never lets go of it. =20 MSM's belief is that not only all planets sweep out identical=20 areas in the same time, but electrons as well, as if planets=20 around solar nucleii. We tried to disabuse him of this base- less notion over on Synergetics-L, but to no avail. He just=20 tells us we're closed minded and refuse to think outside of=20 what's printed in the 'Synergetics' volumes. He's a brain- washed follower in a cult of one, himself the fearless leader=20 of same. More seriously, I think what happened to MSM is perhaps a strong=20 indication that a diet of "just Bucky" is not necessarily good=20 for you. He claims RBF provided the sum-total of his formal=20 education (all those hours of recording audio). Judging from=20 the result, it's high risk to train in such a narrowly- focused curriculum (Bucky himself would not have advised it):=20 the Guinea Pig M experiment did not turn out well. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:20:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic (math is taboo for *certain* people) <> Brian Hutchings 20-AUG-1999 18:20 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us how could you have determined those periods & radii, if you were not using some form of table, sans the laws? I just looked'em up (in about the 3rd book that I tried, and it was not in the dictionary), and it says that the 2nd law is where we get conservation of angular momentum. the 3rd law is PP/RRR = K, where K is a constant for your units-used (same for all planets), P is the period of the planet (its year) and R is the planet's semimajor axis. it is easy to see from this, that if the *sweep-out* were "X" for *all* planets for some time "T", then K'd be indeeterminate, or just undefinable -- making hogwash of any sort of "dimensional analysis" !! incidentally, the area of an ellipse is easy to compute, but the (linearized) length of the path of the orbit, requires "elliptical functions" which are rather complex. another way of sort-of-dysproving Cap'n Mitch's thing, is to see that it makes no sense, at all, for hyperbolic orbits (of comets), but that is rather niether here nor there, I guess. thus quoth: Kepler never asserted that all the planets sweep out the same area in 21 days, and Bucky, to the best of my knowledge, never --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:38:58 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: holy claptrappings, Ballboy! <> Brian Hutchings 20-AUG-1999 18:38 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us this "ephemera" is perfectly lawful, if you look at the dudes that Mister Numero Fortnight is reincarnating, not to mention his mentoring by an SS officer and his hobnobbing with the Queen and Consort of the West; in esesnce, he is the Mongolian Godking, and has never renounced this pretension, that I've heard-of, nor has he even mentioned it to his fawning media (or they're habitual droolers, and just didn't *report* it .-) the USA foundational stuff is hardly Angloroman, more like explicitly republican (although there are vast stains of "precedent" from that, that we have been stuck with, as witness the witless love for the Magna Carta -- about which 3 Shakespearean trajedies were writ !-) the logos of the USA is not its Logoes (tm), such as the Union Jack with its "holy cross, holy grail" symbolism shorn by Betsy Ross -- what sacrilege, against hte Holy British Empire! what is the sound one applause, caught? thus quoth: an "other", to the point of excessive demonization and ever-recycling mob-rallying war cries. --Candidate in Tow! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:03:21 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic (math is taboo for *certain* people) In-Reply-To: <199908210120.SAA04676@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:20:36 -0700, you wrote: ><> Brian Hutchings 20-AUG-1999 18:20 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > how could you have determined those periods & radii, > if you were not using some form of table, sans the laws? I _was_ using a table -- just not to derive any laws, merely to compare areal sweepouts (whatever they turned out to be). > incidentally, the area of an ellipse is easy to compute, but > the (linearized) length of the path of the orbit, > requires "elliptical functions" which are rather complex. I was approximating with a circle, to get some gross numbers. Nothing too smart. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:18:57 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: holy claptrappings, Ballboy! In-Reply-To: <199908210138.SAA04712@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:38:58 -0700, you wrote: ><> Brian Hutchings 20-AUG-1999 18:38 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > this "ephemera" is perfectly lawful, if you look > at the dudes that Mister Numero Fortnight is reincarnating, > not to mention his mentoring by an SS officer and his hobnobbing I weighed in on this a long time ago, doesn't bear repeating (don't know if Deja.com even goes back that far). > with the Queen and Consort of the West; > in esesnce, he is the Mongolian Godking, and > has never renounced this pretension, that I've heard-of, That's a term being applied from without, and therefore a projection, at best a translation. I don't dispute that=20 there's an institution, a role, a philosophy. I simply=20 questioned your use of "Empire" against a landless bunch of Tantric Buddhists. I know LLR has friends in certain circles (Chinese) and=20 plays his cards strategically. Always fun to guess who=20 makes it to the "baddies" list next. Sometimes I guess=20 it right by extrapolation. In this case, I should have=20 known. > nor has he even mentioned it to his fawning media (or > they're habitual droolers, and just didn't *report* it .-) I'm sure LLR would appreciate more fawning and habitual drooling -- he never seems to get enough of it, when he gets it at all. Mostly, I just hear envy speaking. He wants a loyal following (beyond what even you and Tarpley have supplied) and resents others who appear=20 more successful in this regard. > the USA foundational stuff is hardly Angloroman, I don't recall saying "foundational". I'm talking about a mix of traditions, not the formalized exhibits in=20 hallowed halls, of Federalist Papers or whatever else. =46ollowing the thesis in 'Lila' (Pirsig), I'd 2nd the notion that Eurocentric world views ain't the whole=20 story in these parts, either -- not a new thesis). > more like explicitly republican (although > there are vast stains of "precedent" from that, > that we have been stuck with, as witness the witless love > for the Magna Carta -- about which > 3 Shakespearean trajedies were writ !-) I'm sure you can read it into a few more, with clever gloss. > the logos of the USA is not its Logoes (tm), > such as the Union Jack with its "holy cross, holy grail" symbolism > shorn by Betsy Ross -- what sacrilege, > against hte Holy British Empire! Lotsa logos, including the funny pyramid with the eyeball. I think an FDR cohort was partial to that one, read the story a few times on the web -- mostly into debunking that we should read out any secret Masonic meanings ("read out" being a Quaker term of art). Anyway, FDR is on the LLR goodies list, so the pyramid eye must be OK (did I extra- polate right? Or did Venice get its paw on the money=20 somehow?). > what is the sound one applause, caught? In the echo chamber of your brain, I have no idea. I have limited insight into your "private theater" (transceiver-TV), which seems to receive a lot of programming from sources=20 I don't read (praise Allah) -- or stopped reading because=20 I found the storytelling somewhat mediocre (not to mention embarassingly self-aggrandizing), although sometimes fun=20 and factoid-packed. > thus quoth: > an "other", to the point of excessive demonization and > ever-recycling mob-rallying war cries. Dunno why the quoth. Might see about getting the lithp=20 dealt wiff. Modern dentistry does wonders (just got an acrylic "crown" put in -- makes me a part of the anglo conspiracy no doubt). Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:56:13 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: holy claptrappings, Ballboy! <> Brian Hutchings 21-AUG-1999 4:56 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us this quoth of thee was borne out of neccesitie, of using this wantonly --purposfully!-- kludged mailer; as soon as I used it, I realized that it might have been a bit of a parody of a bare inkling that I got of the Quaker meeting formula, or formallity, perhaaps from the Q-Peace maillist. as it is only words, I decided to stay with it, over some possible offense, and because it seems aptly concise, although this may have been wrong, for which I finally apologize. in retrospect, we will all die a-giggling, perhaps! I haven't looked it "up," but it did just occur to me that "claptrap" is a device to rouse them Jacobin rabbles, to really the mob as you said. FDR was *consciously* using the dirigist forms of Lincoln et al, in opposition to the nasty, anglophile policies of his cousin Teddy (he got into office, courtesy of the mellieu of a fave of the Left, Emma Goldman (or was it Jane Addams?... same hallowed movement, at any rate). if you look at _Against Oligarchy_, though, you'll see that Tarpley has some rather acerbic things to say about FDR and Kennedy. the masonic stuff really is largely obfuscatory, a la RAWilson, even if mostly true. not all who were card-carrying, went the whole route to the 33rd degree & worship of Baal, or what ever, or were just honorarily so-made, like Andrew Johnson, for being a Confederated good-ol'boy. Franklin started his own "open & free" sort of masons, the antithesis of the British societies of secrecy, mostly strictly of political organization, not "hiding the technology" of the Pyramids, say. Mozart belonged to a German equivalent. Clinton was just a junior mason -- yeeha, but most of the kids on the Warren Commission were deep into it, or at least Ford and Warren were. it's good that y'all "read out" that stuff on the eyeball (although I'm unsure as to the "term of art" from your punctuation), but the Freemasons have it all down on paper in "The New Age", how the Bland Mugwump (?) of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite were organizing Seccesh, over the desires of the white tenant-farmers etc. the King Lear plays were based upon John's accession to the demands of the feudal barons, signing their Magna Carta. when "the Vast" Lama ever names his selves that were genocidal maniacs, that'll be the day of political samadhi, I suppose. when I went to see "Kundun" at the premiere (for the KPFK Filmclub), everyone was given a brochure, with a map of the full-on historical extent of the Mongolian homeland, under a differnt label, but DL#14 may have a block on this memory! in any case, it is perpetually amusing that all of the media that I have seen on His Upness, which will otherwise insist upon the supposed "Deism" of our Founding Parental Units and absolute separation of church from state from superstitious folks, kiss this guy's 28 buttocks (carefull to leave no hickeys. of course .-) as Heinrich Herrer might say, Ve must sustain ze illusion at all cost(s) -- seven veeks in Argentina, filming zis **** !! thus quoth: polate right? Or did Venice get its paw on the money somehow?). what kind of a question is that -- must we now go to mention "the creature on Jekyl Island" ?? oh, no; ephemeralization may already be such, the Eyeball is watching you! --Dynasty !?! http://www.tapley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:25:47 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: holy claptrappings, Ballboy! In-Reply-To: <199908211156.EAA05725@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > in retrospect, we will all die a-giggling, perhaps! > I'm even more mystified. Why "purposely" kludged? And what's especially Quakeresque about it? Your quote just seemed to=20 dangle out of context. In future I'll just think "kludged"=20 I guess -- hard to tell the difference between "on purpose" and "not really in control" in your posts, in any case. > I haven't looked it "up," but it did just occur to me that > "claptrap" is a device to rouse them Jacobin rabbles, > to really the mob as you said. Whatever. "Jacobin" is not an adjective I'm prone to use. Sounds musty-dusty and affected to my ears, like from=20 some propaganda hack so used to a certain lingo he doesn't=20 realize it fails to rally the Jacobin rabbles any more :-) > FDR was *consciously* using the dirigist forms "dirigist" is also affected. You use it a lot, thinking=20 to communicate volumes I suppose. Marks you as one mired in a jargon I'd say, therefore programmed. Of course=20 people who speak "Buckyese" (however they've concocted it) are likewise branded, in the ears of many, as=20 "disciples" for this same reason. > the masonic stuff really is largely obfuscatory, I hit your button on this topic I see. Ye ol' juke box puts "the Mason record" (a 45) on the spindle. But the=20 question was about USA iconography and in particular=20 about stuff on the money. I guess if it's not pre-recorded, it's not worth brainstorming about. Maybe "I don't know" would have been a good answer. > or at least Ford and Warren were. it's good that > y'all "read out" that stuff on the eyeball (although > I'm unsure as to the "term of art" from your punctuation), but To "read out of Meeting" meant to "excommunicate" in the=20 Quaker style (disavow someone's membership in the Society). But I hasten to add I wasn't saying anything anti-Mason, merely that I was not "reading in" meanings that weren't there in the first place. > when "the Vast" Lama ever names his selves that were genocidal maniacs, > that'll be the day of political samadhi, I suppose. when I went > to see "Kundun" at the premiere (for the KPFK Filmclub), > everyone was given a brochure, with a map > of the full-on historical extent of the Mongolian homeland, > under a differnt label, but DL#14 may have a block on this memory! He has said on more than one ocassion that Tibet must have strayed from the straight and narrow in some ways to have gotten in such a pickle today (clearly my paraphrase). You seem to buy into the metaphysics to justify your criticism (accepting a picture of reincarnation to bolster your charges=20 of Imperialism). But it's not literally the "same guy" in=20 the Tantric teaching -- more complicated than that comic=20 book version. =20 And what has your fearless leader said about the Panchen Lama=20 business? As you must know, Chinese authorities are encouraging=20 one of their own selection, whereas HHDLXIV has favored another,=20 who has been taken into custody "for his own protection". This role is of some import, as the Panchen Lama helps hold the=20 fort between the Dalais. I've been in touch with State about this. State says the whole business is complicated (not the usual run of the mill stuff, I agree). > in any case, it is perpetually amusing that > all of the media that I have seen on His Upness, > which will otherwise insist upon the supposed "Deism" > of our Founding Parental Units and absolute separation > of church from state from superstitious folks, > kiss this guy's 28 buttocks (carefull to leave no hickeys. > of course .-) Superstition comes in many forms -- in political camps as much as in the religious. > as Heinrich Herrer might say, > Ve must sustain ze illusion at all cost(s) -- > seven veeks in Argentina, filming zis **** !! > > thus quoth: > polate right? Or did Venice get its paw on the money > somehow?). > > what kind of a question is that -- must we now go > to mention "the creature on Jekyl Island" ?? > oh, no; ephemeralization may already be such, > the Eyeball is watching you! Nevermind. Sorry I asked. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:19:07 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: A General Educational Development Course for a Failing Humanity Comments: To: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Posted below is a letter that was sent to Dr. Win Wenger (http://www.winwenger.com), in which topics, relevant to his field, are briefly discussed for inclusion in the Countdown and Design Science Exposition. Dr. Wenger was a colleague of Buckminster Fuller and is the world's foremost authority on teaching, learning and creativity. Dr. Wenger says that, "I would like to make a flock of presentations including a pre- or post-conference workshop, for reasons apparent in my latest of 48 published books: DISCOVERING THE OBVIOUS: TECHNIQUES OF ORIGINAL, INSPIRED SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY, TECHNICAL INVENTION, AND INNOVATION." (http://www.winwenger.com/dto.htm) Dr. Wenger says that this book is probably the closest in spirit to Buckminster Fuller's books of any he has written. Dr. Wenger has published many other books, including THE EINSTEIN FACTOR and BEYOND TEACHING AND LEARNING (http://www.winwenger.com/books.htm). Dr. Wenger holds an annual Renaissance Festival and other events (http://www.winwenger.com/events.htm) Dr. Wenger has been very enthusiastic about the Countdown and Expo, even though he has other work scheduled at that time. He says, "That's something we'll just have to work around some way." I attended Dr. Wenger's Renaissance Festival about 6 months after the Buckminster Fuller Symposium in San Diego, in '95. Dr. Wenger's work will make the utmost contribution to the event. 'One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems is that of how to facilitate the swift development of all human individuals' discovery of all we know about human life on board Spaceship Earth at this moment in Universe -- and how so to learn in the shortest possible time.' Dr. Wenger doesn't know this, but I wanted to make his work "the" central focus of the event before he ever contacted me (although I sometimes loose track of priorities they eventually come back into focus). As Buckminster Fuller said in Critical Path: The main theme of the Countdown is "COMPELLING VISION." It is noteworthy that Dr. Wenger's methods for expanding learning and creativity rely heavily on visualization as well as "association." (Creative Problem Solving Techniques: http://www.winwenger.com/mind.htm) Dr. Wenger has put some of his own inventions into the public domain, including the down to earth Beach Builder, a technique for solving coastal erosion (http://www.winwenger.com/beachbld.htm), and his far out Space Launch Invention (http://www.winwenger.com/launch.htm). For airship enthusiast there is his Semi-Dirigible, Inflatable Helicopters (http://www.winwenger.com/diricopt.htm). Below is the letter sent to Dr. Wenger, with minor additions. -------- E-MAIL TO DR. WENGER -------- Dear Dr. Wenger: Thank you for your prompt and courteous reply. 'Confronted with the prospect of success, most people who have low self-esteem will unconsciously change their behavior to avoid that success and to keep on going with their familiar self-image of failure.' -- Win Wenger, Beyond Teaching and Learning, p. 252 Humanity's low self-esteem and self-image of poverty and failure is a debilitating condition that has hindered humanity from reaching our full potential and achieving global success. This event will transform humanities image of poverty and failure into one of overwhelming potential. We will increase humanities confidence and self-esteem by building an image of success for all humanity. Humanities development is retarded, but like Einstein's early retarded development, humanity is poised on the brink of realizing our genius. While the seemingly impossible moon landing was achieved with surprising quickness, with one great big concerted effort, the seemingly impossible to achieve dream of a world without poverty will finally be reached, and the barriers to that goal will fall as quickly and as surely as did the Berlin Wall. As the world renowned authority on teaching, learning and creativity, and the founder of Project Renaissance, which Buckminster Fuller participated in, it would be an honor to have your participation in the Exposition and Countdown. Your presence will be an utmost contribution to the event. I want to move the conference fully into the internet age, with video conferencing and online events and programs. As Buckminster Fuller often pointed out, the most advanced technologies are first developed and used by the military in an attempt to kill people with ever greater efficiently, and later, these same technologies become widely used in the general population to increase the life support capacity of humanity. The internet has evolved from a communications tool designed to fight and survive a nuclear war to a communications technology designed to achieve universal life-support for all humanity. The main theme for the event is, "COMPELLING VISION." A few of the many program ideas that you and your colleagues will contribute greatly to include: Successful Goal Setting for Spaceship Earth Networking for Success Speeding Up the Process of Human Development to Conform With Our Space Age Potentials Accelerated Learning 101: A Remedial Course in Accelerated Learning A General Educational Development Course for a Failing Humanity Synergetics: Explorations in the Geometry of Thinking. Buckminster Fuller was surprised that humanity has been able to achieve so much using a crippling mathematical system that has no basis in nature. Buckminster Fuller set our to discover natures coordinate system and relates his discoveries in Synergetics. Synergetics gives humanity unprecedented new capabilities to transform the human built environment. Humanities Final Physics Examination on Spaceship Earth. After four-million years of study, the human built environment is as clumsy and unstable as a toddler's wobbly stack of toy blocks. In our final physics examination on Spaceship Earth, we are required to demonstrate that we have gained enough proficiency, in applying the laws of physics, to design a life-support system stable and efficient enough to provide the life support needs of all humanity. Curriculum required: a remedial course in physics and the architecture of nature. Overcoming the Dysfunctional Condition of the Human Family: Not only can a dysfunctional human being overcome the problems that limit their functioning, many people with psychological and neurological disorders and physical handicaps achieved greatness and made significant contributions to society in spite of their disorders, just as humanity has often achieved great things in the face of overwhelming problems. No problem is a barrier to success. Managing Humanities Attention-Deficit-Disorder: ADD is a neurological condition that affects both children and adults. A person with ADD needs brain management and coaching to increase organization. ADD like all problems can be helped through awareness of the problem. Retraining Humanity for the 21st Century: As we begin an historically unprecedented Millennial Design Science Revolution, over the next decade, humanity will require more total reeducation and retraining than at any other time in history. Solving Unsolvable World Problems (Your title.) A Challenge to the World Leaders in Every Field of Endeavor to Rally the Spirit of Humanity to Its Highest Potential and Achieve a World of Peace Without Poverty or Want (Foremost in this respect is the world leaders in teaching and learning, such as you and your colleagues.) The main thing that the Countdown and Expo needs is a venue and coordinators for the different functions. I hope that you have colleagues that can assist in this. It is best to have a professional conferencing and tradeshow management company, working on commission, to get sponsors, set up the venue, and manage the different programs. Please provide suggestions for ones in this particular field. This will be a ever growing annual and international event, and they will profit substantially from it. I look forward to corresponding with you further in regards to these and other matters, and I look forward to collaborating with you in furthering our endeavors for the betterment of all humanity. For the Benefit of All Humanity! Sincerely, James Lawson "Win Wenger, Ph.D." wrote: > > I am scheduled to be teaching a large number of teachers at that time, at the National Institute for Teaching Excellence, Cambridge College in Massachusetts, but maybe with that much lead time I might be able to arrange something. I would like to make a flock of presentations including a pre- or post-conference workshop, for reasons apparent in my latest of 48 published books: DISCOVERING THE OBVIOUS: TECHNIQUES OF ORIGINAL, INSPIRED SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY, TECHNICAL INVENTION, AND INNOVATION. If I can't break away from Cambridge, there are several ways I might still be able to contribute to events and to even make a presentation or so. Please advise me if you see this as potentially feasible, and if so, to whom I should send a review copy of that book. Thank you. --win wenger > > At 05:45 PM 8/4/99 -0600, mail@SpaceshipEarth.com wrote: > > > > > >Design Science Exposition & Countdown to Complete Physical > >Success for All Humanity > > > >THE FIRST ANNUAL COUNTDOWN TO COMPLETE PHYSICAL SUCCESS FOR > >ALL HUMANITY (tm): THE OFFICIAL EVENT OF THE THIRD MILLENNIUM > >(tm) is scheduled for July 12-20, 2001, in Austin, Texas. The > >countdown is dedicated to the memory of R. Buckminster > >Fuller. The countdown will commemorate the life and work of > >R. Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, 1885, the first > >detonation of a nuclear bomb, July 16, 1945, and the first > >Apollo moon landing, July 20, 1969. These three events > >represent A PORTAL INTO HISTORY THAT WILL GUIDE US IN MEETING > >THE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE 21ST CENTURY. > > > >The Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All > >Humanity will be held in conjunction with the DESIGN SCIENCE > >EXPOSITION (tm): THE OFFICIAL TRADE SHOW OF THE MILLENNIAL > >DESIGN SCIENCE REVOLUTION (tm). > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:23:21 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: A General Educational Development Course for a Failing Humanity In-Reply-To: <37BED17C.D26B36FF@SpaceshipEarth.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >'One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems >is that of how to facilitate the swift development of all >human individuals' discovery of all we know about human life >on board Spaceship Earth at this moment in Universe -- and >how so to learn in the shortest possible time.' [the above paragraph ----------------------------------------- | >Dr. Wenger doesn't know this, but I wanted to make his work "the" | >central focus of the event before he ever contacted me (although I | >sometimes loose track of priorities they eventually come back into | >focus). As Buckminster Fuller said in Critical Path: | | [goes here <------------------------------------------=20 >As the world renowned authority on teaching, learning and >creativity, and the founder of Project Renaissance, which ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey cool, I didn't know we had another Project Renaissance going. I named a project that same thing awhile back: Project Renaissance is an approach for integrating=20 public and private enterprising into a unified model=20 or rubric. The concepts are in the public domain and=20 no trademark or copyright ownership of the central=20 Project Renaissance name or literature is expressed=20 or implied.=20 [http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/pr.html] I hope Dr. Wenger isn't offended that I was unaware of his Project Renaissance at the time. If we're both advancing=20 towards the same goal, then synergy and convergence would be more the expected outcome. >Accelerated Learning 101: A Remedial Course in Accelerated Learning Hah hah. I like the oxy"moronic" sound of this one. Sign=20 me up! >A General Educational Development Course for a Failing Humanity > Hmmmmmm... bums me out that we're failing. Glad to see the rush of assistance into Turkey, even though it's woefully insufficient.=20 This kind of humans assisting humans is really a full time, around=20 the clock expenditure of resources (better than bombing -- leave=20 it to nature to provide the calamities). It needs to grow and=20 become a steady background feature for quite some time, much as=20 the world military is today (convergent goals in the Project=20 Renaissance scenario -- glad to see the Marines taking action). It's not like we can't afford it or anything. Lots of global=20 services to work in, lots of trainings needed. >Synergetics: Explorations in the Geometry of Thinking. Buckminster >Fuller was surprised that humanity has been able to achieve so much >using a crippling mathematical system that has no basis in nature. This is hype I don't buy. He considered the maths somewhat on the awkward side, given the cubist focus, but didn't preach that all mathematicis has no basis in nature. To write the brochures with this language is just to invite misunderstandings IMO. >enough to provide the life support needs of all humanity. Curriculum >required: a remedial course in physics and the architecture of nature. > I'm starting to not enjoy the patronizing and condescending tone=20 of this. We're looking for peers, co-workers, not people to=20 preach at as if they're in need of remedial learning. We all=20 need to learn from one another. >Managing Humanities Attention-Deficit-Disorder: ADD is a >neurological condition that affects both children and adults. >A person with ADD needs brain management and coaching to >increase organization. ADD like all problems can be helped >through awareness of the problem. This seems to come from left field. I thought your central focus=20 with Pneumatics. Then it's Dr. Wenger (who has a scheduling conflict), then it's ADD. That means you'll have pharmaceutical company booths as well? Is ADD one of Dr. Wenger's foci? >A Challenge to the World Leaders in Every Field of Endeavor >to Rally the Spirit of Humanity to Its Highest Potential and >Achieve a World of Peace Without Poverty or Want (Foremost in >this respect is the world leaders in teaching and learning, >such as you and your colleagues.) Too many caps. Lowercase is still "in" -- thanks to unix. >> >Design Science Exposition & Countdown to Complete Physical >> >Success for All Humanity >> > >> >THE FIRST ANNUAL COUNTDOWN TO COMPLETE PHYSICAL SUCCESS FOR >> >ALL HUMANITY (tm): THE OFFICIAL EVENT OF THE THIRD MILLENNIUM >> >(tm) is scheduled for July 12-20, 2001, in Austin, Texas. The >> >countdown is dedicated to the memory of R. Buckminster >> >Fuller. The countdown will commemorate the life and work of >> >R. Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, 1885, the first >> >detonation of a nuclear bomb, July 16, 1945, and the first Seems a bit odd to throw the bomb in here, given that the tone=20 is one of dedication (connotes appreciation, celebration). "Bucky, Bomb and Blastoff" -- does that work? >> >Apollo moon landing, July 20, 1969. These three events >> >represent A PORTAL INTO HISTORY THAT WILL GUIDE US IN MEETING >> >THE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE 21ST CENTURY. "Portal into History" has a kind of "stargate" ring to it. =20 Might work. But is it the past or the future that we're=20 focussing on here? Will there be a Smithsonian Institution=20 feel to it, with exhibits about the bygone century? >> >The Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All >> >Humanity will be held in conjunction with the DESIGN SCIENCE >> >EXPOSITION (tm): THE OFFICIAL TRADE SHOW OF THE MILLENNIAL >> >DESIGN SCIENCE REVOLUTION (tm). The (tm) stuff only goes so far to create an aura of credibility and establishment support. Don't overdo it, is my recommendation. > > Kirby Question: does Dr. Wenger have a first name, or is it Dr.? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:52:17 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: THE NEUMATIC UNIVERSE (tm) Comments: To: synergetics-list , Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the near future, I hope to introduce the Synergetics list (http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/Synergetics-L/synl.html) to a major project called the NEUMATIC UNIVERSE (tm): A DRAMATIC NEU WORLD OF PNEUMATIC TECHNOLOGY (tm); You've never seen pneumatic technology like this before because you've never had a view of the universe like this before. It is perhaps my most visionary, far reaching work, and is briefly introduced below. You synergetics heroes can help work out any "bugs" in the project's concepts. Never show unfinished work until you've had it peer reviewed. I hope that this brief introduction to these projects stimulates thoughts which may lead to more discoveries in these realms. The Neumatic Universe emerged a month before the Buckminster Fuller Centennial Celebration in San Diego, in '95, but it's roots go back to some surprising developments that emerged on the first night that I began formal work on the Apollo Project for Spaceship Earth. (The Spaceship Earth Race: Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity: http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9809&L=geodesic&P=R11067) The Neumatic Universe is a popular and visionary look at fluid and vacuum science and technology and related fields. Topics range from vacuums, bubbles, quantum foam, and zero-point energy, to compressed air cars, fusion energy and a whole host of current and futuristic pneumatic technologies. The importance, and widespread application of pneumatic technologies is little recognized. It is a highly significant but little thought of field. Significant new developments in pneumatic technologies of all kinds are emerging rapidly. It's an obscure field that appears to be on the verge of bubbling over into the mainstream. It's a field ripe for popularizing and bringing to the attention of the general public. The Neumatic Universe will "glamorize" pneumatic science and technology and reveal its status as a cornerstone of world technology. The Neumatic Universe Tradeshow of Pneumatic Science and Technology will be a prominent feature on the internet and at the Design Science Exposition (http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9908&L=geodesic&P=R1191&m=10306), to be held in conjunction with the ANNUAL COUNTDOWN TO COMPLETE PHYSICAL SUCCESS FOR ALL HUMANITY (July 12-20, 2001). (http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9810&L=geodesic&P=R5474 and http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9908&L=geodesic&P=R3963&m=10306). Soap bubbles have a prominent position in Buckminster Fuller's Synergetic Geometry, and pneumatic technologies are featured throughout many of Fuller's works, from his Dymaxion Dwelling Machines, to his advocacy for wind energy, and promotion of pneumatic power tools and energy storage systems. His geodesic domes are models of soap bubbles and he said that a structural analysis of geodesic domes could only be made through pneumatics and hydraulics. Buckminster Fuller said that tensegrity structures are "pure pneumatic structures without gas support." It's a radical concept that literally turns pneumatic technology on it's head, where (vacuum) tension is the primary force and compression is a minor secondary force (the wind doesn't blow, it sucks). All structures, from the atom to the universe itself, are tensegrity structures. I found that, traced back to it's ancient Greek and Latin roots, the term pneumatic means, literally, the eternal, regenerative, creative life force -- GOD! As an unabridged dictionary reveals, like God, the term pneumatic is all encompassing, covering the fields of psychology, theology, science and technology, physics, and metaphysics, and thus the story of the Neumatic Universe becomes an all encompassing one. The main thrust is, with the discovery of the Neumatic Universe, we're now poised to achieve the much heralded "quantum leap" in human development like the sudden and spontaneous bursting forth of a soap bubble. The Neumatic Universe is a far-reaching project with enormous educational and inspirational potential. A large body of projects have been developed that branch off from it, including: Mr. NeuMan, the Vacuum Cleaner Salesman of the Universe. Nature adores a vacuum cleaner salesman! A Neu View of the universe and a Neu World at your door with the all-in-one home appliance that you can't live without. The Neu World Game, a version of Buckminster Fuller's World Game concept, incorporates the extensive use of pneumatic science and technology to create a realistic, hands-on demonstration of how to make the world work for the benefit of all humanity. I think it could become a popular game, with home versions for children to play: a Design Science Revolution action set. We must make the Design Science Revolution a part of popular culture if we are to ever achieve its goals. The Neumatic Universe connects with another project, "Airships for the Environment" which is a radical look at environmental design. The basic thesis is, as a result of the discovery of natures weightless-tension-forces, and it's application to human engineering, all environmental design is approaching "lighter-than-air." The thrust of this fact is, we now have the ability to achieve so much with so little material resources that, we can readily achieve life-support abundance for all humanity with air-deliverable, lightweight infrastructure. With emerging developments in aerogels, nanotechnology, buckminsterfullerenes and virtual environments, you can readily see where Airships for the Environment leads. Airships for the Environment is also all encompassing, and this only represents one aspect of it. These projects, and many others like them, including the Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity, are all part of a plan to create a convincing and compelling vision that can inspiring humanity to use our potential to eliminate world poverty in a sudden burst of human development, like a soap bubble bursting forth. mailto:mail@SpaceshipEarth.com I obtained these links from a recent article in Discover magazine on bubbles, which should be of interest to some. Proof of the hexagonal honeycomb conjecture: Bubbles minimize their own area by settling into a mosaic of hexagons, a pattern, recently proven, as using the least energy. http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/math.mg/9906042 Bubbles contain a surprisingly awesome amount of power. Cavation - bubble implosion - can make pieces of steel look as if they've been pummeled by artillery. http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/suslick Exploratorium's Bubble Page: http://www.exploratorium.edu/science_explorer/bub_dome.html Soap Films: http://cnls.lanl.gov/Highlights/1998-02/ Image file of dolphins blowing ring bubbles: http://earthtrust.org/delringgallery.html Pictures and information about fluid dynamics: http://fluids.mel.dbce.csiro.au/~richman/home.html NEUMATIC UNIVERSE, PNEUMATIC UNIVERSE, and DRAMATIC NEU WORLD OF PNEUMATIC TECHNOLOGY are all trademark/servicemarks of NeumaticUniverse.com and PneumaticUniverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:06:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: LENGTH OF POSTS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, et al, A word to the wise: If your posts were shorter, more people might actually read them. Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:23:59 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: A General Educational Development Course for a Failing Humanity Comments: To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder why his name doesn't appear in any of the indexes of any books by or about RBF? Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Spaceship Earth wrote in message news: <37BED17C.D26B36FF@SpaceshipEarth.com>... (snip) > Dr. Wenger was a colleague of Buckminster Fuller and ... (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:33:09 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you concern yourself with the ellipses they should be equal. I only took bucky's word for it and still do. your figures are not much off in areas and this could allow for it. The area changes in ellipses independent of the 2nd law of equal area concerning speed. I do not give up yet. I will study this more as I have time and I still have faith in the theory. Thank you for helping figure it out. :-) At some time they are the same and it is there that is the most important of all. This is the street for important discovery in synergetics I am certain. The nano level is what I see as the most interesting. I feel the area sweep out of the 92 elements is equal to the radii of the earth around the sun as well, with the radii of the moon and the moons 92 nano sweeps and the spin of the earth and of course the moon does not spin. I will have time in a few months to work hard on this and then I will have more leverage on the theory. New data takes time, time is precession! :-) Kirby Urner wrote: > On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:37:50 +0000, you wrote: > > >Tell me where to see this data, please for a fact. > >Bucky has stated for many years that they sweep out the > >same area in 21 days. I think I trust him more than you. > > So you're telling us Fuller never understood Kepler's > 2nd law? I trust Fuller more than I trust you, too. > That's why I don't believe he miscommunicated the > facts the way you do -- which garbled facts you then > turn around and attribute to him. > > >Thank you. X,Y,Z sweep out the same area, this is what > >he told me? Prove it! I trusted him and I still do. > > The problem is you trusted yourself without taking the > trouble to verify what you thought you were getting. > > All planets sweep out equal areas in equal times -- > but that's comparing each planet to itself, NOT each > to all the others. You simply heard it wrong, drew > a conclusion in a sloppy manner -- something we've > seen you do time and time again right on this list. > > I hold Fuller blameless for your ignorance. You were > simply one of his worst students, ever. > > Kirby > > PS: it takes about 30 seconds to find web pages on > Kepler's laws, if you ever want to take the trouble: > > http://www.cvc.org/science/kepler.htm > http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/features/movies/kepler.html (movies) > > If you want proof, consider that Mercury > does a full orbit in 88 days, with an > average radius of 58 million kilometers. > Consider that the Earth is 149.6 million > clicks (on average) and sweeps an orbit > in 365 days. > > So the area of Earth's orbit (approximating > with a circle) is: PI 149.6^2 = 70309.34 > > And Mercury's: PI 58^2 = 10568.31 > > Now, what fraction of 365 is 88? 4.148. > Takes Earth about 4 times longer to do an > orbit than Mercury. So if equal areas in > equal times meant what you thought it meant, > then Earth should do Mercury's sweepout in > 88 days -- about 1/4th its total area. > > 70309.34/4 = 17577.335 > > Not even close. > > Notice Mars is about 228 million clicks, and > has a period of 1.88 earth years. Does it have > a sweepout equal to that of the Earth's in > 1.88 years? > > Earth (in time it takes Mars to do one orbit): > 1.88 * 70309.34 = 132181.56 square kilometers > > Mars: PI 228^2 = 163312.55 square kilometers. > > Again, not no equal areas here. > > Figures from: > http://www.horizonenergycorp.com/hpo/solarsystem/Orbital.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:38:15 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic (math is taboo for *certain* people) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have faith and thou shalt see the light! If you guys prove it with me I will share the prize! Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian Hutchings 20-AUG-1999 16:02 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > here's a citation for you (although > I seriously even doubt Bucky's competence > in "celestial mechanics", if not astronomy-per-navigation): > Feynman's "Forgotten" Lecture. however, > you can find the formulation of Kepler's law > in any dictionary, and pehaps wrok it out algebraically > from there (although Kirby did it from a table for you , > that doesn't count .-) > can you (count, htat is) ?? > > thus quoth: > still a theory for now. IF it is true then I deserve a Nobel Prize. > > the preoper terminology is not hypothesis or theory, > but science fantasy! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:39:41 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic In-Reply-To: <37BE8065.6B9BCBF4@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:33:09 +0000, you wrote: >If you concern yourself with the ellipses they should be equal. >I only took bucky's word for it and still do. I was afraid you'd say that. Please find a direct quote from Fuller's published writings wherein the only unambiguous interpretation is that he=20 believed, like you, that all planets and comets sweep=20 out the same area (call it X) in 21 days (or whatever=20 time interval). Until you can substantiate your claim that this is what=20 =46uller was telling you, I cannot accept it as true. >I will have time in a few months to work hard on this and >then I will have more leverage on the theory. >New data takes time, time is precession! :-) > So far, you've had a number of years to get out a=20 calculator and disprove your hypothesis in a few minutes. I'm not going to sit around waiting for you to do your homework at this point. You have no track record to=20 suggest you'll ever get around to it. Anyway, let me know when you get that Nobel Prize. In the meantime, I'll plan to remain mute re this absurd tangent to Fuller's and/or Kepler's thinking. I've said my piece -- any further harping will just sound like pointless bullying. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:48:00 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: LENGTH OF POSTS MESSAGE from ="List 21-AUG-1999 11:09 Brian, et al, A word to the wise: If your posts were shorter, more people might actually read them. Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ - - - - - <> Brian Hutchings 21-AUG-1999 11:48 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Joe and Co., if your posts weren't so God-am terse, people might actually link from them. --Dynasty !?! http://www.tarpley.net/bushintro.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:59:20 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic (math is taboo for *certain* people) Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit don't be so cruel as you are to the Fuller family so be it for any new idea. Hold your horses for a few months and I will get to this with some energy slaving. Try attacking the message and not the messenger for a while. I thank you for your response for it shows that you have some integrity after all. I am very busy working on my boat with solar cells and a wind mill to live on the anchor in santa Catalina island next summer and will try to defend what I see fit. Your are only 7K kilometers off the earth and the mercury orbit and Pi is not the right figure to use for we have summer and winter for a reason. The distance between the earth and moon vary 31,ooo miles for it has an elliptical orbit, the earth does the same and if you add the orbit to the moon to the earths it may add to mercury for mercury has no moon. I do not think Kepler add the moons orbit. Bucky stated he used the elliptical orbits and x and y are the same. This is why you have the wrong data. These are big ideas and take a lot of care and time to make certain. Please consider asking an expert in this who is more comprehensive so that I may be understood for what I have experienced without bias but science. The Apogee and the Perigee of both planets must be calculated Pi does not do the trick! The aphelion of the earth to the sun is 94.5 million miles and the perihelion is 91.5 million miles. This is 3-million miles variability in distance between the earth and the sun during a year and a component of the radii area variability. Since Mercury has less in it's variability you may see that it gets closer to the mark with this syzygy causing the differences among all the planets. They are all in precession and effect each other this is why they have no pi in the sky. You will find the areas the same. If this comes true to you then I will expect that I am not so bad a student after all. Thank you :-) IF this is not true and I have miss read this all along the last 30 years then I would suppose that if you add the radii of the earth sweep out and the nano level of the earth and moon and the radii of the moon that it will equal the same as something and what ever that is will be the most interesting data in science to date when taken in comparison with the other planets data of the same. Kirby Urner wrote: > > you can find the formulation of Kepler's law > > in any dictionary, and pehaps wrok it out algebraically > > from there (although Kirby did it from a table for you , > > that doesn't count .-) > > Except I didn't confirm or work out Kepler's 2nd law from a > table. I just plugged in some numbers to show that even if > we simply ASSUME the 2nd law holds, it DOES NOT follow that > planet A and planet B both sweep out the same area in equal > time as ONE ANOTHER -- we only compare a planet (or comet) > to itself. Earth does X,X,X... while Mars does Y,Y,Y... and > X is not Y. > > Kepler never asserted that all the planets sweep out the same > area in 21 days, and Bucky, to the best of my knowledge, never > did either. But MSM has all this time willfully persisted in > deeply misunderstanding them both, because once he latches on > to an idea, however bogus, he never lets go of it. > > MSM's belief is that not only all planets sweep out identical > areas in the same time, but electrons as well, as if planets > around solar nucleii. We tried to disabuse him of this base- > less notion over on Synergetics-L, but to no avail. He just > tells us we're closed minded and refuse to think outside of > what's printed in the 'Synergetics' volumes. He's a brain- > washed follower in a cult of one, himself the fearless leader > of same. > > More seriously, I think what happened to MSM is perhaps a strong > indication that a diet of "just Bucky" is not necessarily good > for you. He claims RBF provided the sum-total of his formal > education (all those hours of recording audio). Judging from > the result, it's high risk to train in such a narrowly- > focused curriculum (Bucky himself would not have advised it): > the Guinea Pig M experiment did not turn out well. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:54:29 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: From the Oregon Curriculum Network In-Reply-To: <199908192226.PAA31647@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the risk of over-taxing attention spans, here's a rather=20 lengthy cross-post showing how I'm sharing my curriculum=20 writing in newsgroups (in this case misc.education). No explicit mention of synergetics in this one, but of course the pointers lead back to 'Synergetics on the Web'. My thought is that for all that's controversial and hard=20 to accept in Fuller's writings (for whatever reasons),=20 there's a core which by this time really needs to poke=20 into the mainstream K-12 curriculum as just more everyday=20 stuff, in the category of "what any educated person should=20 know". Once might take the Coxeter view (or my characterization thereof), which is that 'Synergetics' organizes well-known=20 material in a streamlining and connected way, meaning its=20 originality is more in the networking than the actual=20 content. Fine. So lets take advantage of that organization. Rather than quibble about how much credit is owing to Fuller=20 (an argument scholars can have off in a corner someplace),=20 the goal should be to not let one more generation pass=20 through the gates without the benefit of at least some of=20 the curriculum innovations I'm pushing below. This may sound=20 like I'm suffering from delusions regarding my own importance,=20 but the fact of the matter is that I'm very much not alone in=20 wanting to see the curriculum improved, and many educators=20 would sign on to the below, just as I would affix my own signature to their agendas -- this is very much a group=20 effort, in other words. Kirby =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D =46rom: urner@alumni.princeton.edu (Kirby Urner) Newsgroups: misc.education Subject: Update from Oregon Curriculum Network Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:14:59 GMT In FoxPro Advisor, March 1999, I have an article espousing the virtues of Microsoft Visual FoxPro as a "teaching language". The features I highlight are its interactive command line=20 environment, lack of variable declarations (as to their type), and object orientation. I'd like to add that I have since been exploring Python and=20 consider it an ideal teaching language for precisely these same reasons, on top of which it's free and runs in Mac and Linux/Unix, as well as Windows. My primary application for imparting some programming savvy=20 in K-12 has been to latch onto polyhedra as my paradigm objects. Because they _are_ objects, in the literal sense, and because they come with methods and attributes, in the computer science sense. At http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/oop.html I have a six=20 chapter piece going through the exercise of programming=20 polyhedra, first in Xbase (Visual FoxPro) and next in Java. A seventh chapter, now in the works, will be entitled=20 'Playing with Python', and will cover a lot of the same ground (because the purpose of these chapters is, in fact, to explore the very same application of computer programming, looking through the lens of different languages). On a related front, those of you who explore my polyhedra=20 pages will see that I introduce and consistently elaborate=20 a secondary thread: quadray coordinates. Thanks to Tom=20 Ace, currently active on geometry_research, we now have=20 native dot, cross and incremental rotation matrices, plus a simplified distance formula, associated with this alternative, non-XYZ coordinate system. Quadrays are accessible to the high school set, and provide a useful introduction to an alternative coordinate system, where the concepts of vector scaling and addition also=20 feature (in addition to the above operations). This=20 provides an opportunity to reinforce important concepts=20 and to lay some groundwork for non-XYZ approaches (something we've traditionally done with polar coordinates -- polar, XYZ and quadray formats all being interconvertible). Quadrays start with 4 basis vectors pointing from (0,0,0,0) -- the origin -- the the 4 corners of a regular tetrahedron, labeled (1,0,0,0),(0,1,0,0),(0,0,1,0),(0,0,0,1). These=20 basis vectors are in ordinary volume, not R^4, although=20 one might use the same algebra to talk about an R^4->R^3=20 projection. The fact that (a,b,c,d)+(k,k,k,k)=3D(a,b,c,d) is given a simple geometric interpretation: (k,k,k,k)=20 represents 4 vectors in a self-cancelling "force diagram" which nets to zero, i.e. (k,k,k,k) =3D (0,0,0,0). =20 Although similar to the barycentric coordinate system=20 championed by Mobius, quadrays are not the same, are=20 easier to use, especially with methods programmed in=20 some computer language, such as Python. I use the quadray format as the "base format" for my vector class, with=20 xyz() and polar() methods converting from all non-negative 4-tuples on the fly. =46or more on quadrays: =20 http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/quadintro.html =46inally, I want to reiterate that I'm pushing sphere=20 packing as a great way to introduce square and triangular numbers (as sequences) and from there, the notions of sums of sequences, or series. This takes us to the=20 Bernoulli Numbers and Pascal's Triangle, keeping a=20 geometric tie-back as we delve into polynomials and=20 probability/statistics (Pascal's Triangle connects to the Gaussian Distribution, a kind of "Bell Curve" -- and of course to the Binomial Theorem derived by the young Newton (good place to get into permutations and combinations, at the notational and computer programming level)). The sphere packing focus is good, because both the=20 quadrays and the polyhedra also embed in a lattice. The general idea here is to get "beyond flatland" in the 21st century and use computers to take a thoroughly volumetric approach to analytic geometry (instead of doing all our geometry on a plane, and most of our=20 graphing in XY). This is in concert with the "3D=20 gaming" aesthetic, i.e. gives students a lot of clues about what it takes to write a computer game. Along these same lines, linear or "matrix" algebra should=20 spend less time talking about "simultaneous linear=20 equations" and more time on "scaling, translation and rotation" -- another application for matrix=20 concepts, and more relevant in the computer graphics world by a long shot. Kirby Urner Curriculum Writer Oregon Curriculum Network ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:10:40 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic (math is taboo for *certain* people) In-Reply-To: <37BE8687.634EE68F@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:59:20 +0000, you wrote: >don't be so cruel as you are to the Fuller family so be it for >any new idea. Hold your horses for a few months and >I will get to this with some energy slaving. I agree that I shouldn't bully you. It just sounds vindictive after awhile. And speaking of my relationship to RBF and BFI, I've done a rewrite of http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/bfihist.html. The focus is more on my own life and doings -- doesn't directly mention Fuller's family at all. You'll probably like it better -- or not (OK with me either way). Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:30:08 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You will see. The point of which any volume orbits another is the point that the volume in it's entropic state is conserved. All volumes as in the 92 elements are formed of volumes of other volumes, they are all radii formed states of on going volumes. The area of the radii sweeps is the most interesting of what Albert E. called inertia. The angle and frequency of orbital volumes forms all awareness around all of us, no exceptions. When you make a model on earth as the earth spins the models apexes is sweeping out radii to the center of the earth and the earth around the sun and the sun around its radii. All in precession. The area of the conservation of entropy radii is always in all events. Bodies go in a straight line until acted upon by other bodies. The fact is they are always acted upon and there is no up. The point that a radii is formed is the conservation of entropy radii and will form an area. This is syergetics in it newest form. All volumes are formed by these radii and they are within one volume known as the universe to date, this is what I call the unitivity volume. There is no reason to deny me my ideas for I do not deny yours as long as they stay away from the social bulling as you have the bfi. Please mind the science and not your bullyness. Thank you.. I have known bucky for 16 years alive. I have heard him say that the planets sweep out the same area for 16 years. Ask Ed Applewhite I think he will solve your interest for me. Please lets no argue about attacks on each other for the sake of bucky, :-) I am only interested in ideas and new ones at that. YOu have not ever heard of my idea so give it time sir. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:23:50 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: THE NEUMATIC UNIVERSE (tm) <> Brian Hutchings 21-AUG-1999 12:23 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us can you say, Perfervid, Boys and Girls?... I *knew* that you could -- whoah, and give such a *good* example. I don't know if I can live-up to the formulation of your Dymaxion Comicbook Superheroes (tm/sm/AM-FM), but I am always happy to offer criticism (moo-ha-ha. anyway, I did have to agree with Kirby's spontaneous assessment of D.R.Wenger, who will doubtlessly "be there for you" if your marketting does not go totally awry (sp.?)) in the mean time of critical path mapping, there are a number of coherent milestones to configure, such as the Big Silly Problemma of the Y20C creature (hasten to note that it is a modulo 100 problem, to avoid mid-air collisions with pneumatic millennial fervor, or any other Kinds .-) then, there's the Jubillee of Judeao-Christendom, which may also have provenance in Islam, which the Pope has conceded (apparently) to celebrate In The Year 20C, for obvious tactical/marketing reasons --the Pigs In Space are coming in for a hard landing!-- instead of beginning January 1, 2001, the "right" time. (actually, I have heard this said, repeatedly, but in "CCE" dead-reckoning, or birth-reckoning, ol'Daddy Jesus may as well have (for calendric nicety) been born at the *beginning* of the Year 1 CCE ... oh, right. so, we throw in an extra year for gestation and round "up!" and watch the Hell out for the not-anti-choice hordes (you get the choice between crucifixion & castration -- Sing Hi, Sweet Chariot !-) anyway, these links, alone, were worth the seminal marketing-plan. Proof of the hexagonal honeycomb conjecture: Bubbles minimize their own area by settling into a mosaic of hexagons, a pattern, recently proven, as using the least energy. http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/math.mg/9906042 Bubbles contain a surprisingly awesome amount of power. Cavation - bubble implosion - can make pieces of steel look as if they've been pummeled by artillery. http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/suslick Exploratorium's Bubble Page: http://www.exploratorium.edu/science_explorer/bub_dome.html Soap Films: http://cnls.lanl.gov/Highlights/1998-02/ Image file of dolphins blowing ring bubbles: http://earthtrust.org/delringgallery.html Pictures and information about fluid dynamics: http://fluids.mel.dbce.csiro.au/~richman/home.html sonoluminescence?... I can't spell it, either! --Dynasty !?! http://www.tarpley.met/bushintro.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:37:42 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: From the Oregon Curriculum Network Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > take a thoroughly volumetric approach to analytic geometry > (instead of doing all our geometry on a plane, and most of our > graphing in XY). > Kirby Urner > Curriculum Writer > Oregon Curriculum Network I agree darth. I am very much on your side on most all things except your lack of saying you are sorry to those you have attacked for your lack of understanding gestation rates. Please consider your human side to be more established and stop being such a bully for no reason but ego. There is no reason to be a prince of darkness. Try a more human radii please, thank you - +) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:43:06 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: A General Educational Development Course for a Failing Humanity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've never heard of him? DR. ? I have to work on my boat so please leave me alone for a while. Hutch I do not mind your long posts they are poetry to me. Stupid but good. Try a longer orbit ~ slower area. Joe you never stop amazing me with your site! It has to be the Fuller site of the Century. I will send you some new photos soom if I can get around to it. Put William Perk as the new owner of bucky's dome. I owned it from 1972 1/2 to 1999 and 1/2. Joe S Moore wrote: > I wonder why his name doesn't appear in any of the indexes of any books by > or about RBF? > > Joe S Moore > mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > Spaceship Earth wrote in message news: > <37BED17C.D26B36FF@SpaceshipEarth.com>... > (snip) > > Dr. Wenger was a colleague of Buckminster Fuller and ... > (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:42:44 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: blowing & sucking (was: Re: THE NEUMATIC UNIVERSE (tm)) <> Brian Hutchings 21-AUG-1999 12:42 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us now, I don't know if everything listed actually fits into the Neumatic Cornucopia, which is certainly a very stretchable envelope, I suppose. the Fuller 'Cuum Man might be infringing upon certain "truth in advertizing" laws. there are 2 aspects of this. firstly, 99.44%++ of matter in universe is neither hydraulic nor pneumatic, although magnetofluiddynamics do apply; it's plasma, mostly hydrogen, thus far. lack of interest in this fact is responsible for the hegemony of the Big Bang in cosmology, which subsists entirely on a diet of gravitational effects, per General Relativity, and a very pedantic insistence upon interpreting the "3-degree background radiation" e.g. secondly, some formulations, like "quantum foam" and "zero-point energy" belong strictly in the Perfervid Math Arena, and are just too baroque for mathematical (experimental) physics, although ther're just fine for science fiction writing. (I think, Bucky wouldn't touch'em without a gun to his head -- a Fog Gun (tm) !-) the same applies to quantum computation, as far as I have seen, because of the diffculty in "isolating the qubits" from reality -- but you could address *hydraulic* computers. have a Dymaxion (tm) life! --Dynasty !?! http://www.tarpley.net/bushintro.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:02:08 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: holy claptrappings, Ballboy! <> Brian Hutchings 21-AUG-1999 14:02 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us "Jacobin" and "dirigist" are perfectly complimentary terms. one refers to a "democratic" horde, a mob, specifically the *paid* mob of the Duc d'Orleans which stormed the empty Bastille, and more generally the entire, bloody wipe-out of the French Revolution, and the Napoleonic scourges that followed. the salutory note is that *the* Jacobins were a Scottish bunch, which is where a lot of the mucky-muck came from, i.e.Jeremy Bentham, and his friends Danton, Marat, Robespierre etc.ad vomitorium; salutory, that the French could not have done it, themselves, without "help" from the British! (this was original research by Tarpley et al, a proven hypothesis.) "dirigistes" were those associated with Carnot, the "author of victory" in Napoleon's crumbling war-drive, who was totally opposed to his imperialism, and ministers de la Republique Troisieme (?) such as Richlieu, in furthering the goals, finally, of the dirigism of Louis XI, which was developed, itself, by the same circles that produced Leonardo da Vinci (the Brothers of the Common Life). this is just a simple word, however affected. as for reading meanings into the vast claptrap of freemasonry, Wittgenstein had a saying for that. suffice it to say, the "free" boys don't get their hands dirty with rockwork, or much of anything else; they let the rabble at it! I have read HHtDL#14 state that there may not *need* to be a #15, but does that mean that he must take responsibility for his heritage, if not denounce it?... while there is no question, in general, of the Pope's catholicity, there were very "bad" popes, before His Current Dudeness! as it stands, he has not renounced the Holy Tibetan Empire per se, in spite of "concessions" to the PRC, but does he really have any support amongst ethnic Tibetans?... there is no basis for such a conjecture, other than the mere say-so of the absolutely fawning mainstream media, which should probably learn a thing form the Spanish Inquisition, metaphorically. most of the putative reports of the abuse of the Tibetan culture of bhuddo-shamanism, the monks & their ayries, are strictly anachronisms, way-back to Mao -- who was taught by the British, two! (see the book by Tsering.) "Kundun" was illustrative in one respect, in spite of having been white-washed during the filming of "7 Years in Tibet," when Heinrich Harrer was exposed as a "vacationing" member of the Waffen SS. it showed how a peasant family with a fancy of its child, could send that child off for a no-return cultural hazing, predicated upon the absolute spiritual & political rule of one guy, who must neccesarily know the shape & heft of the family jewels of all those who preceded him, if only for his own illusion. (originally, there was a division between the political Khanante and the spiritually "Vast" Lama, although the latter may have been a reference to his Bhudda-like girth ... or an acronym, the Man from DALAI ?-) --Dynasty !?! http://www.tarpley.net/bushintro.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:44:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: ??????? Comments: To: Marcus Brown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEEC1E.53DB2F40" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEEC1E.53DB2F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Marcus, Excellent question! =20 After a person has verified for himself the engineering of Fuller's = various inventions (it took me a half dozen years or so), and realizes = that so much more could be done with so much less (using existing = technology), then, if a person decides he wants to do something, it = would be useful to know what others are already doing so as not to = duplicate their efforts. My site makes it easy to study Fuller's ideas and easy to become aware = of the projects of others. I don't know if Fuller's ideas will ever be implemented, but I think it = is worth a try. If implemented, his family of inventions would at least = double the wealth of the world. I can't think of a bigger challenge. I am 59 yrs old and retired; I am the self-taught webmaster of the BFVI; = I do this as a labor of love at my own expense. Everything at my site is intended to be in the public domain. Sincerely, Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Marcus Brown=20 To: joemoore@cruzio.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 9:01 PM Subject: ??????? This is not to sound offensive. I am just interested. What is the purpose of the Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute? I = read the Grand Strategy, and find it somewhat interesting, but I don't = think that the end goal will ever come to existence. There is no chance = that the world with all of its nations will come to peace. (Not until = Christ comes back.) I also think that it is very unlikely that the = majority of the population will live in domes. Also, Imagine the task = of trying to put a dome over an entire city, a small town maybe. Who are you? Do you maintain this site? Is your interest in domes a hobby or a career, or both? How did you become involved with domes. I look forward to hearing from you. I tried looking at the Master Index, and the Selected Ideas, but it = did not make sense to me. Sincerely, Marcus I am studying architecture at Virginia Tech. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEEC1E.53DB2F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Marcus,
 
Excellent question!  =
 
After a person has verified for himself the=20 engineering of Fuller's various inventions (it took me a half dozen = years or=20 so), and realizes that so much more could be done with so much less = (using=20 existing technology), then, if a person decides he wants to do = something, it=20 would be useful to know what others are already doing so as not to = duplicate=20 their efforts.
 
My site makes it easy to study Fuller's = ideas and easy=20 to become aware of the projects of others.
 
I don't know if Fuller's ideas will ever be=20 implemented, but I think it is worth a try.  If implemented, his = family of=20 inventions would at least double the wealth of the world.  I can't = think of=20 a bigger challenge.
 
I am 59 yrs old and retired; I am the = self-taught=20 webmaster of the BFVI; I do this as a labor of love at my own=20 expense.
 
Everything at my site is intended to be in = the public=20 domain.
 
Sincerely,

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminste= r Fuller=20 Virtual Institute:
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Marcus = Brown
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 = 9:01=20 PM
Subject: ???????

This is not to sound offensive.  I am just=20 interested.
 
What is the purpose of the Buckminster Fuller = Virtual=20 Institute?  I read the Grand Strategy, and find it somewhat = interesting,=20 but I don't think that the end goal will ever come to existence.  = There=20 is no chance that the world with all of its nations will come to = peace. =20 (Not until Christ comes back.)  I also think that it is very = unlikely=20 that the majority of the population will live in domes.  Also, = Imagine=20 the task of trying to put a dome over an entire city, a small town=20 maybe.
 
Who are you?
Do you maintain this site?
Is your interest in domes a hobby or a career, or=20 both?
How did you become involved with = domes.
 
I look forward to hearing from you.
I tried looking at the Master Index, and the = Selected Ideas,=20 but it did not make sense to me.
 
Sincerely,
Marcus
I am studying architecture at Virginia = Tech.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEEC1E.53DB2F40-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:27:31 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Project Renaissance (was: Re: A General Educational Development Course MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes Kirby, I've been aware of your Project Renaissance, and it's correlation with Win Wenger's organization, [http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/pr.html] since I got on the internet. I've had some minor correspondence with Win Wenger since the early '80s or mid-'80s. Apparently he's been using that name since well before then. A search on AltaVista found 524 web pages for "project renaissance." Win Wenger was at the top. http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&kl=XX&stype=stext&q=%22project+renaissance%22&search.x=23&search.y=3 I sent your reply to him so he can check it out. Kirby Urner wrote: > > >As the world renowned authority on teaching, learning and > >creativity, and the founder of Project Renaissance, which > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Hey cool, I didn't know we had another Project Renaissance > going. I named a project that same thing awhile back: > > Project Renaissance is an approach for integrating > public and private enterprising into a unified model > or rubric. The concepts are in the public domain and > no trademark or copyright ownership of the central > Project Renaissance name or literature is expressed > or implied. > > [http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/pr.html] > > I hope Dr. Wenger isn't offended that I was unaware of his > Project Renaissance at the time. If we're both advancing > towards the same goal, then synergy and convergence would > be more the expected outcome. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:30:31 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: THE NEUMATIC UNIVERSE (tm) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's something in your message there that we can use. Excuse the big snip (tm). Didn't want to bore your readers again with stale hash (like I've been doing). Brian Hutchings wrote: > > Dymaxion Comicbook Superheroes ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 06:45:36 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: A General Educational Development Course for a FailingHumanity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby Urner wrote: > > >A General Educational Development Course for a Failing Humanity > >Curriculum required: a remedial course in physics and the architecture of nature. >> > I'm starting to not enjoy the patronizing and condescending tone > of this. We're looking for peers, co-workers, not people to > preach at as if they're in need of remedial learning. We all > need to learn from one another. To resolve this problem, you need to jump in with your well developed curriculum and cadre of elite forces. Peers and coworkers have to pass through kindergarten first. You're status is at the higher end of the educational spectrum, and that's great, but there's a great shortage of high-tech people, and a lot more need to be trained. The vast majority of people are like me and need a lot of training. There may be a better way of promoting what we're trying to do than this, but this actually reflects the current situation. Personally, I think this imagery will attract a lot of people, even well educated people. Apparently Win Wenger liked it. But you need different programs to accommodate different people. I've noticed that your perspective is on the "elite forces." But I, and most other people, don't qualify. My focus is on my level, which is Design Science Revolution 101, and the world at large isn't even at that level yet. The impoverished masses need techniques that will allow them to pull themselves up by their boot-straps. Take a look at the perspective of Low Technologies in the Space Age, listed below. Many of Fuller's developments fall into the category of advanced technologies that can be learned and implemented by the unskilled and uneducated, for instance, space-frame and geodesic structures, and compressed air energy storage. There are many such examples. My contention is that we can achieve so much with so little money, energy, materials and resources, and just as important for the illiterate and unskilled masses, little knowledge and skill, that the impoverished have the potential of pulling themselves out of poverty; and in fact pockets of them often do. All it takes is a little knowledge. > I thought your central focus [is] > with Pneumatics. I don't think I said that. Perhaps my enthusiasm for the Neumatic Universe implied that, but Dwelling Machines are the most important. The fact that they are so important and need so much development makes them the top priority, and this is another reason why your elite forces are greatly needed. Buckminster Fuller said that the Global Energy Grid is the most important. He said that Dwelling Machines are a top priority. He said that education was one of the world's most important needs. We have a lot of priorities, and the Design Science Expo must reflect that. The purpose of the Expo and Countdown is to educate, motivate and inspire the public. That is the central focus. Teaching, learning, creativity, and inventiveness fall into the category of the Design Science Expo, preferably within it's own program. The Design Science Exposition is an all inclusive design science event, but there are several technology fields that can be focused on including: A Dwelling Machine Design and Tradeshow (this is the most important and needs the most work) Food For Everyone: A Tradeshow of Space Age Agricultural Technology The Neumatic Universe: A Dramatic Neu World of Pneumatic Technology Low-Technologies in the Space Age: Modern developments in technology, and modern science applied to age-old primitive technologies, has resulted in the development of many efficient, highly advanced, life-support technologies that are low-technologies in their simplicity of design and function, materials used, and level of skill required for construction and operation. With levels of productivity that sometimes exceed modern industrial technologies, they are as suitable for the First World as the Third World, and will allow developing countries to make a giant leap out of impoverishment and into life-support abundance for all. mailto:mail@SpaceshipEarth.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:40:35 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: FW: t,Bucky toys? Comments: cc: Tetworld@listbot.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone help? ---------- >From: Magda1994@aol.com >To: siegmund@thegrid.net >Subject: Re: t,g,b,a,c Published Tetworld Membership >Date: Sun,Aug 1999, 9:10 AM > > Hi, Mark > I know you're not in the toy model business, but do you off-hand know of > any toy or science stores that might have physical models of some of > Fuller's ideas> > > Magda > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:08:11 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: FW: t,Bucky toys? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Magda, See my Geometry/Models page http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/GeomModels.htm and my Domes/Models page http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/DomesModels.htm Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Mark Siegmund wrote in message news: <199908221640.JAA08097@pop.thegrid.net>... > Can anyone help? > ---------- > >From: Magda1994@aol.com > >To: siegmund@thegrid.net > >Subject: Re: t,g,b,a,c Published Tetworld Membership > >Date: Sun,Aug 1999, 9:10 AM > > > > > Hi, Mark > > I know you're not in the toy model business, but do you off-hand know of > > any toy or science stores that might have physical models of some of > > Fuller's ideas> > > > > Magda > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:08:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: THE NEUMATIC UNIVERSE (tm) Comments: To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian & SSE, The "Buck Rogers" comic strip was inspired by Bucky and his ideas. See 'Critical Path' page 262. Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Spaceship Earth wrote in message news: <37BFC338.CD458763@SpaceshipEarth.com>... > There's something in your message there that we can use. Excuse the > big snip (tm). Didn't want to bore your readers again with stale hash > (like I've been doing). > > Brian Hutchings wrote: > > > > Dymaxion Comicbook Superheroes > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:49:53 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: holy claptrappings, Ballboy! In-Reply-To: <199908212102.OAA06699@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:02:08 -0700, you wrote: ><> Brian Hutchings 21-AUG-1999 14:02 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > "Jacobin" and "dirigist" are perfectly complimentary terms. I'm sure, and at one time they came packaged with the sought-for associations. But to cling to those 45s (78s whatever) is to=20 tell later generations that it's their duty to channel associations through long-gone historical filters, or at least learn those ins and outs. =20 Whereas I have nothing against learning a lot of history, the=20 human condition is such that you needn't place these demands on your readers to trigger cooperative brainstorming and thinking=20 together. In adopting these anachronistic terms, you are more=20 signalling that your mode is that of the lecturist, or one who=20 wants to be approached as the authority, the "answer man". =20 So I'm not surprised that the audience is small -- referring to=20 LLR's, given he is likewise mired in anachronistic modes of=20 self-expression. As if future generations are duty-bound to=20 even care about European travails in the time of Napolean. =20 Stories of the past are something to entice people into, not=20 presume they always want or need to know. Sounds like "empty=20 show of learning" and is a turn-off minus this willingness to start with contemporaries. Means you do not condescend to=20 meet your potential readers even half way -- or are simply=20 unconscious of how stilted and hackish is your kludgey style. =20 Brands you as a "has been" -- dangerous for someone your age=20 (?) to be infected with that so early. =20 LLR is an old-enough guy after all, way over the hill and=20 entitled to his self-romanticizing ageism, but you shouldn't=20 have been made a wizened prune before your time. Too bad=20 that it happened that way. Maybe relativistic effects were at work (some kind of gravity well suck you in?). > I have read HHtDL#14 state that there may not *need* > to be a #15, but does that mean that he must take responsibility These are not the statements to which I was referring. > for his heritage, if not denounce it?... while there is no question, > in general, of the Pope's catholicity, there were very "bad" popes, > before His Current Dudeness! No question about it. > as it stands, he has not renounced the Holy Tibetan Empire per se, > in spite of "concessions" to the PRC, but does he really have any = support > amongst ethnic Tibetans?... there is no basis for such a conjecture, You demand a renounciation of what I wonder? Kind of like holding it against the Apaches or Lakota that they maybe never officially=20 renounced all claim to North American territories. They should=20 suck up to the Great White Father and beg forgiveness for having=20 held sway over vast lands at some point in the past? The PRC isn't innocent of its Imperialism either, by the same token. If it's the "blame game" you want to play, then of course history is piled with plenty of ammo for all sides to reignite whatever feuds they wish. So? > metaphorically. most of the putative reports of the abuse > of the Tibetan culture of bhuddo-shamanism, the monks & their ayries, > are strictly anachronisms, way-back to Mao -- who was taught > by the British, two! (see the book by Tsering.) There's a dam going in right now, World Bank funded, about which ethno-Tibetans are up in arms, because of the population pressures behind it, and what this could mean in terms of seeing their=20 culture swallowed up. Unlike yourself, I don't need the movies or LLR to spoonfeed=20 me with images about what life is like in a Tantric Buddhist=20 culture, nor with intelligence as to how enthno-Tibetans feel about the Dalai Lama. =20 To the fertile south of Tibet is Bhutan, where red hats have=20 a hierarchy not unlike that of the yellow hats, though modulated=20 with time, as Tibet's likely would have been (the blueprints=20 for a new Tibet don't have the same kind of "pyramid power"=20 as the old -- but may only be implemented in practice at the=20 "global level", with Tibet being one of the first of the=20 "network nations", a system of dots and sites, and institutions=20 -- like Hilton-Avis-Hyatt-Hertz (not enclosed by continuous=20 national border lines, but illuminated as vertices and edges=20 around the world)). =20 Bhutan was headquarters for Urners, still is if you count the=20 Swiss hyperlink, which remains strong (Urner being a Swiss=20 Canton as per urner.html). I've talked directly with enough=20 Tibetans and observed enough of Tantric culture to have formed my own views. No hack propaganda handed to me by a spoonfed=20 LaRouchie is going to substitute for first hand experience. > the spiritually "Vast" Lama, although the latter may have been a = reference > to his Bhudda-like girth ... or an acronym, > the Man from DALAI ?-) The Panchen Lama is actually a check and/or balance on the=20 Dalai -- that's an historical wrinkle you may not have gleaned. Like, I think we've strayed from what your well-programmed juke box can handle. =20 Guess I'll let you go back to your stack of "New Federalists"=20 piled like fading porn under teenager's bed, the "real world"=20 still very much an abstraction, filtered through professionally=20 slanted and doctered projections (Kundun, or whatever).=20 Beneath your studied worldiness, a vast ignorance remains=20 imprisoned, denied proportional representation in your system=20 of self-governance. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:57:20 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: From the Oregon Curriculum Network In-Reply-To: <37BE8F86.94129FE1@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I agree darth. I am very much on your side >on most all things except your lack of saying you >are sorry to those you have attacked for your lack >of understanding gestation rates. Please consider Thanks to you, I understand gestation rates much better=20 now, as in "I'll grow up when it suits me, not when it=20 was high time." Way too late now. But not my problem=20 (praise Allah). Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:05:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: FW: t,Bucky toys? Comments: To: Mark Siegmund Comments: cc: Tetworld@listbot.com In-Reply-To: <199908221640.JAA08097@pop.thegrid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:40 AM 8/22/99 -0700, Mark Siegmund wrote: >Tetworld Peace Through Development Project - http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > > >Can anyone help? http://www.dstoys.com/ is a good link. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:47:50 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings <> Brian Hutchings 22-AUG-1999 21:47 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us wow, I think, Lyn has enough enemies in high places, without being yelled at from Bhutan. while it is certainly so, that my "worldy" education has been greatly intermediated by Lyn and company, it's "good" company, and some of that "classical" stuff just has to rub off. your characterization is quite awful, and also secondary, when you could easily make direct criticisms. to pretend that some sort of illiterate immersion in Tibetan culture is going to substitute for that History, however hidden by Their Feudal Upnesses -- no remotely-knowledgable folks, Tibetan or otherwise, have ever denied this aspect of the Lama system of absolute spiritual & temporal authority -- is going to get us all in trouble, in the proverbial repetition of history, with regard for "sensitivity to intermediate conditions". I just did look-up those 2 wrods, and what do you know, but "dirigism" is not in my Funk and Wagnalls' 2 volumes, although dirigation comes awfully close, in a humorous way!... even so, it is very worth-while to use, per the history of republicanism, although Transcendentalists may not seek *any* dictionary. the Rennaissance "would not have happenned" without this definition of Colbert, Richlieu et al, to refer to la Republique Premiere of Louis XI, out of which it came (not to say, something "better" may not have occurred, alon with peristalsis). at leat, any literate Frenchman will recognize its awful counterpart, Jacobinism, which my F&W defines as "a member of a French revolutionary society that inaugurated the Reign of Terror, 1793; dissolved, 1799. 2 Hence, an extreme revolutionist." (I mean, the Renaissance wouldn't have occurred without Louis XI's reforms, as it did, but they could have used a different word; perhaps, a Monty Python skit could be made from this, and inserted into the Cannon of British Humour, retroactively or by use of a time-machine or Art Bell's dumb-ass audience .-) a primary problem is the dysgusting, pavlovian admiration that the French Revolution is given in the "mainstream", which in this case is just a big sewer; there were just 7 prisoners in the Bastille, who were released from a rather pleasant solitude, into a waiting carnage (butt de Sade dug it, I guess). since it is not my place to have any influence upon what the Dalai "mister Peace" Lama has to say about any of his past lives, however cognized, you know, maybe you could *ask* him about those baddies -- just pretend that you're an ignorant Westerner, seeking light in the deep hole of Tibetan prominence. but as for "Kundun", beyond the neccesity for a certain artisitic integrity, it is as fawning & scripted-for-His-Worship as anyhting could be, and not beat you over the head with it. "spoonfeeding" is a lot more apt for this stuff, as fun as it is to absorb. (that is the only Tibeto-movie that I've seen, and I was using the opportunity to hand a tract on His Upness to the Filmclub membership.) the Tibetan Resettlement Program of the US State Dept.has provided these exiles with quite a base of nominal support for the vast rach of the Holy Tibetan Empire (for it was surely *their* map that was handed-out at the movie), which is only matched by that in London, and the midaeval sorts of Hindus amongst which they live in India. this is political, or "geopolitical" in the sense of a Kissinger or a Brzezinski, who have always supported these "democratic" movements, and created them from anthropolgical chaff. by the way, the 3 Gorges Dam is not in Tibet, although it may be on the border of Greater Tibet (of the map of the Mongolian Empire). thus quoth: Bhutan was headquarters for Urners, still is if you count the Swiss hyperlink, which remains strong (Urner being a Swiss Canton as per urner.html). I've talked directly with enough Tibetans and observed enough of Tantric culture to have formed The Growing List of Wholly Proscribed Words: dirigist Jacobean Tantric anything His Holiness, Your Holiness, Their Holiness, Its Holiness teh unbearable whiteness of City Council in Santa Monica! --Dynasty !?! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:49:53 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: A General Educational Development Course for a Failing Humanity] Comments: To: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger: The book by Dr. Shlain sounds interesting. I'll add it to my bibliography. Your message was sent to me, the author of the original message. I don't think it was sent to Mark and the list, as it was obviously intended to be, so I'm forwarding it to the list. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: A General Educational Development Course for a Failing Humanity Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:45:56 EDT From: RSmith7957@aol.com To: mail@spaceshipearth.com CC: RSmith7957@aol.com Mark, et al. This is fabulous! Exciting! Great work, Mark! You are a real leader and you have both my "trust" and deeply-felt gratitude. When I read this, I was prompted, as usually I am, to go to my library to pull a book; in this case, Dr. Leonard Shlain's wonderful book "Art and Physics: Parallel Visions in Space, Time & Light" which was published 1991. Dr. Shlain is a surgeon who practices in California. "In 1979," he writes in the Preface, "I took my twelve-year-old daughter to visit the Museum of Modern Art in New York City. I was somewhat concerned that her California upbringing might have deprived her of Western civilization's rich cultural legacy, and wanted her to see some outstanding examples that existed on the East Coast.... "With the penetrating innocence of a child, who announced her view that for much of the art, the Emperor had no clothes! I recognized," he writes, "that though I knew the intellectual context of each modern movement, I too didn't really `get it.' I felt annoyed with the artists who made comprehension so difficult for us; who refused, as it were, to let us in on some important secret.... "When, in the ensuing years," he goes on, "I began to probe the new physics on my own, I was struck by the sheer abstruseness of many of its basic ideas; a thought that was to recur to me while on my museum excursion in New York. Several days later while distractedly standing before a huge abstract painting in the Whitney, I wondered how a system of thinking about the world...could stand beyond the grasp of most intelligent members of society.... "It was then I had the epiphany that inspired this book--and my work for the next decade. Perhaps, I mused, there was a connection between the inscrutability of modern art and the impenetrability of the new physics.... Left-brained logic, reason, and abstract thinking are the stepping-stones leading to the vast scientific literature's arcane tenets. The need in my profession," he declares, "to shuttle back and forth constantly between these two complementary functions of the human psyche has served me well of this project." In Chapter 1, "Illusion/Reality," Dr. Shlain writes: "The artist employes image and metaphor; the physicist uses number and equation. Art encompasses an imaginative realm of aesthetic qualities; physics exists in a world of crisply circumscribed mathematical relationships between quantifiable properties.... Revolutionary art and visionary physics are both investigations into the nature of reality.... The physicist, like any scientist, sets out to break `nature' down into its component parts to analyze the relationship of those parts. This process is principally one of reduction. The artist, on the other hand, often juxtaposes different features of reality and synthesizes them, so that upon completion, the whole work is greater than the sum of its parts. There is considerable crossover in the techniques used by both. The novelist Vladimir Nabokov wrote, `There is no science without fancy and no art without facts.'" [pages 7 - 16]. All of this, and the work which all of you are doing here, is at the very heart of my own private efforts. The fact that I have "connected" with all of you is of profound import to me and I cheer you on... I cheer us on. Mark, et al.: I have included this tidbit about Dr. Shlain because it seems clear to me that he would be a perfect candidate to invite to the Exposition. Warm regards, Roger Key West ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:28:05 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: A General Educational Development Course for a FailingHumanity Comments: To: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clearly, if the Countdown and Design Science Exposition are to achieve their goal, complete physical success for all humanity within the first decade of the 21st century, than we must assemble an advanced curriculum and a cadre of "elite forces" capable of carrying it through. At the same time, we must educate the public at all levels, and, as NASA was able to achieve for the space program, we must make the Millennial Design Science Revolution a major aspect of popular culture. mailto:mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Spaceship Earth wrote: > > Kirby Urner wrote: > >We're looking for peers, co-workers, not people to > > preach at as if they're in need of remedial learning. We all > > need to learn from one another. > > To resolve this problem, you need to jump in with your well developed > curriculum and cadre of elite forces. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:28:51 +0430 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: aagdii@DDS.NL Subject: nonsense Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit writing nonsense just need to write compulsivness. self like a shell the info have to travel to the tips of the star very unconnecting for spescialist but who could say that they were comprhensivest in fact. bull dog have good teeth, i wonder what that meants in the cosmology of eventss after the eclipse. slowness of the politicians a disaster. and what of journalist- punch of maladjusters at least most. basing the subconsiousness, would you think that Fuller 9 chins to the moon was the most psychological of his books. and if you want to know about death, death to yesterday was beautiful- i had the expeirence- beauty of the unknown we were missing- but never mind. i think we need to have a visual system of logistic systems around the world- so that when a ship was passing a city coast say of Nambia ;you would see it. was it 15 % of cargo by value travels by airplane. so how can you eliminate all these meetings and get into the matter of supplying and unlocking the ego by lowering the resistance to movment. i know the trouble how can you connect the information in the heads and save the 90% of the dollar wasted sitting somwhere. tagdi summay: logistics, wasted dollar, visual system, ego. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 05:18:47 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: taboo arithmetic (math is taboo for *certain* people) Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When i stated that the elliptical would vary the area sweep out I meant that the velocity inwhich the elliptical sweep out would make the differences of area of the great circle in time for each planet. The Pi does not mean anything without the speed for this is the area giving factor of a radii. The moon does not spin so it would have a 0 area for its primitive radii sweep. An angstrom of an hydrogen atom would have a radii of a certain speed one millionth of an inch in diameter of its great circle. If we state it is going the speed of light in its radii as A.E. does then we have a certain area that we can extrapolate to all the 92 elements. I feel that in Univitity one would do this with planets, elements, galaxies and so on for they would all be the same relationship of angle of frequency of radii lengths and speeds of precession causing areas to occur that are dependent on the gravitational volumetric halos formed by the areas of the great circles spinning as they unfold giving another radii at 90 degrees of another volumetric halo factor. The idea here is at some time all radii turn to 90 degrees and form a conservation of entropy and orbit to form a great circle of some form of elliptical or true circular, at any rate isotropic area sweep out system or insideness for the halo to be formed by the potential spin of the great circle. This is a balanced system of syntropy and entropy of its precessional radii that is isotropic in its area sweep out with the 2nd law of angular momentum by Kepler. SO as I stated last with out focusing the area would change with the elliptical orbit I mean to say with its speed for the elliptical orbit would not change its area at all for it sweeps in the same amount of time the same always, but if another planet does this faster the velocity of the sweep is the factor that is missing in your model. I still feel that I was not miss informed or that I understand it wrong. All the planets sweep out the same area in 21 days. Pluto is a skinny piece of pie and Mercury is a fat one but the same. If I am wrong it still does not take away the significance of the greatness of this theory for at some place they are the same and these are the building blocks of reality in the view of the universe in the future. I am not wrong yet as I suppose. Your on your own with the Fuller family stuff, so I will forget about it and as you say you have covered your past insulting tracks by taking them off your site, that I may say thank you for. Your opinions of the bfi are unfounded and self righteous in there least. I have seen many people over the years just like you think they know how fuller should run his life as you have. They have always been uneasy for they did not understand gestation rates are a factor of life that can not be sped. Karma is not personal design except on the long run, built on the precessions of the moment. :-) I am only interested in talking taboo arithmetic now adays. The bfi has proven their worth by the Stanford transfer, which is a much better alternative than the Henry Ford deal. I support the bfi and Allegra and Jamie and Alexandra and all the grand children as well. I think Bob Snyders films are the greatest films ever, they make Thinking out loud look like floor footage. Without bob snyder no one would have a real chance to know bucky. It is very lucky for humanity for Allegra to marry a film crew (c) copy right 1999 ms mitchell Kirby Urner wrote: > On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:59:20 +0000, you wrote: > > >don't be so cruel as you are to the Fuller family so be it for > >any new idea. Hold your horses for a few months and > >I will get to this with some energy slaving. > > I agree that I shouldn't bully you. It just sounds vindictive > after awhile. And speaking of my relationship to RBF and BFI, > I've done a rewrite of http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/bfihist.html. > The focus is more on my own life and doings -- doesn't directly > mention Fuller's family at all. You'll probably like it better > -- or not (OK with me either way). > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 05:25:55 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: nonsense MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > so how can you eliminate all these meetings and get > into the matter of supplying and unlocking the ego > by lowering the resistance to movment. > i know the trouble how can you connect the information > in the heads and save the 90% of the dollar wasted > sitting somwhere. > > tagdi > summay: logistics, wasted dollar, visual system, ego. WORLD Game that is how. support world game the only way the world can become a well managed system for all humanity. Use all possible education and informational energy to allow humanity to find out about world game, movies, rock music, sitar music, the Internet. Our only design to do so is world game, this is bucky's greatest artifact as was stated on stage at the bi centennial of Notre Dame University when he was given an honorary doctorate. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:19:06 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Quotes From John F. Kennedy (Was: Working Model for Spaceship Earth) Comments: To: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable J. Q. Scott wrote: >Yes - thank you for the reminders -- and JFK it was reported wanted >us to link up THE THREE AMERICAS...Technocracy would accomplish this >at least with Central America, The Caribbean and the north part of >>South America as all part of this quadrant of the planet. >As someone proposed -- if we can't do it -- who CAN? >Jacqueline Dear Jacqueline: Below I've posted some quotes from John F. Kennedy that I've collected. = I've been looking for quotes from John F. Kennedy to go along with my statement that, "Before his death, John F. Kennedy sought to achieve a vision for the development of the Third World that would rival his vision for a crash program to land man to the moon." I haven't had time to find what I want. I know that this is basically correct, although he may not have stated it in exactly those words. = He started the Peace Corps with Third World development in mind, but this was before his speech to send man to the moon. = Although there are several newsgroups and mailing list devoted to the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's work, other than conspiracy related list, there are none devoted to the discussion of Kennedy, or I would post my question there. Perhaps readers on the list can offer inspiring or relevant quotes that reflect, in some way, this sentiment. Here are some inspiring quotes from John F. Kennedy that I've collected. I'll post seperately quotes from his American University speech about world peace. 'The supreme reality of our time is... the vulnerability of our = planet.' John F. Kennedy, speech, 28 June, 1963 'Never before has man had such capacity to control his own = environment, to end thirst and hunger, to conquer poverty and = disease, to banish illiteracy and massive human misery. We = have the power to make this the best generation of mankind in = the history of the world - or to make it the last. - John F. = Kennedy, speech, United Nations General Assembly, New York = City, Sept. 20, 1963 'Throughout the world the people of the newly developing nations are = struggling for economic an social progress which reflects their deepest desires. Our own freedom, and the future of freedom around the world, depend, in a very real sense, on their ability to build growing and independent nations where men can live in dignity, liberated from the bonds of hunger, ignorance, and poverty.' - John F. Kennedy. Special message to Congress, announcing the foundation of the Peace Corps, = March 1, 1961 'The time has now come for us to associate more closely together than = ever in the past in a massive and concerted attach=E9 on poverty, = injustice, and oppression, which overshadow so much of the globe. When the threat of military aggression was the primary one, our posture was defensive. But when the contest is one of human liberty and economic growth ... we have the resources [and] ... we have an opportunity in our time to fulfill our responsibilities.' - John F. Kennedy. June 2, 1961 'The war against hunger is truly mankind's war of liberation.' - John F. Kennedy. Speech, World Food Congress, June 4, 1963 'The great battleground for the defense and expansion of freedom today is the [developing nations] of the globe ... the lands of the rising peoples. Their revolution is the greatest in human history. They seek an end to injustice, tyranny, and exploitation. More than and end, the seek a beginning.' - John F. Kennedy. Supplementary State of the Union Message to Congress, May 25, 1961. 'Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of = its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the = deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths, and encourage = the arts and commerce. - John F. Kennedy. Inaugural address, = January, 20, 1961. We, in this country, in this generation, are - by destiny rather = than by choice - the watchmen on the walls of world freedom. = We ask, therefore, that we may be worthy of our power and = responsibility, that we may exercise our strength with wisdom = and restraint, and that we may achieve in our time and for all = time the ancient vision of "peace on earth, good will toward = men." That must always be our goal, and the righteousness of = our cause must always underlie our strength. For as was = written long ago: "except the Lord keep the city, the watchmen = waketh but in vain." -- Quotes from speech to have been delivered by John F. Kennedy at the Trade Mart, Dallas, November 22, 1963= "Hungry men and women cannot wait for economic discussions = or diplomatic meetings -- and their hunger rests heavily on the = consciences of their fellow men." 'When written in Chinese, the word "crisis" is composed of two = characters - one represents danger and one represents = opportunity.' - John F. Kennedy "With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the = final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own." "We seek not the world-wide victory of one nation or system = but a world-wide victory of man. The modern globe is too = small, its weapons too destructive, and its disorders too = contagious to permit any other kind of victory." "I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any = other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the = devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country = and all who serve it -- and the glow from that fire can truly = light the world." = Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are = not free. -- Berlin speech, June, 25, 1963 'This job might be fun if the world weren't in such a mess.' - President John F. Kennedy =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Quotes from JFK's Inaugural Address, January, 20, 1961 The world is very different now, for man holds in his mortal = hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all = forms of human life. - John F. Kennedy. Inaugural Address, = United. . .there is little we cannot do in a host of co-operative = ventures. Divided. . .there is little we can do. . .for we dare not meet a powerful challenge, at odds, and split asunder. To those people in the huts and villages of half the globe = struggling to break the bonds of mass misery: we pledge our = best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period = is required. . .not because the Communists may be doing it, not = because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free = society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the = few who are rich. To our sister republics south of our border: we offer a special = pledge. . . to convert our good words into good deeds. . .in a new alliance for progress . . .to assist free men and free = governments in casting off the chains of poverty. Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of = its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the = deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths, and encourage = the arts and commerce. Let both sides unite to heed in all = corners of the earth the command of Isaiah. . .to "undo the = heavy burdens. . . let the oppressed go free." And so, my fellow Americans. . .ask not what your country can = do for you. . .ask what you can do for your country. My fellow = citizens of the world. . .ask not what America will do for you, = but what together we can do for the Freedom of Man. Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the = world, ask of us here the same high standards of strength and = sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only = sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds; let us go = forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, = but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our = own. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:19:51 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Quotes from John F. Kennedy's American Univerity speech on world peace Comments: To: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit American University speech, June 10, 1963 'There are few earthly things more beautiful than a university,' wrote John Masefield, in his tribute to English universities - and his words are equally true today. He did not refer to spires and towers, to campus greens and ivied walls. He admired the splendid beauty of the university, he said, because it was `a place where those who hate ignorance may strive to know, where those who perceive truth may strive to make others see.' I have, therefore, chosen this time and this place to discuss a topic on which ignorance too often abounds and the truth is too rarely perceived - yet it is the most important topic on earth: world peace. What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time. I speak of peace because of the new face of war. Total war makes no sense in an age when great powers can maintain large and relatively invulnerable nuclear forces and refuse to surrender without resort to those forces. It makes no sense in an age when a single nuclear weapon contains almost ten times the explosive force delivered by all of the allied air forces in the Second World War. It makes no sense in an age when the deadly poisons produced by a nuclear exchange would be carried by wind and water and soil and seed to the far corners of the globe and to generations yet unborn. Today the expenditure of billions of dollars every year on weapons acquired for the purpose of making sure we never need to use them is essential to keeping the peace. But surely the acquisition of such idle stockpiles - which can only destroy and never create - is not the only, much less than most efficient, means of assuring peace. I speak of peace, therefore, as the necessary rational end of rational men. I realize that the pursuit of peace is not as dramatic as the pursuit of war - and frequently the words of the pursuer fall on deaf ears. But we have no more urgent task. ... every thoughtful citizen who despairs of war and wishes to bring peace, should begin by looking inward - by examining his own attitude toward the possibilities of peace, ... First: Let us examine our attitude toward peace itself. Too many of us think it is impossible. Too many think it unreal. But that is dangerous, defeatist belief. It leads to the conclusion that war is inevitable - that mankind is doomed - that we are gripped by forces we cannot control. We need not accept this view. Our problems are manmade - therefore, they can be solved by man. And man can be as big as he wants. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings. Man's reason and spirit have often solved the seemingly unsolvable - and we believe they can do it again. So let us persevere. Peace need not be impracticable, and war need not be inevitable. By defining our goal more clearly, by making it seem more manageable and less remote, we can help all peoples to see it, to draw hope from it, and to move irresistibly toward it. Today, should total war ever break out again - no matter how - our two countries would become the primary targets. It is an ironic but accurate fact that the two strongest powers are the two in the most danger of devastation. All we have built, all we have worked for, would be destroyed in the first 24 hours. And even in the cold war, which brings burdens and dangers to so many countries, including this Nation's closest allies - our two countries bear the heaviest burdens. For we are both devoting massive sums of money to weapons that could be better devoted to combating ignorance, poverty, and disease. We are both caught up in a vicious and dangerous cycle in which suspicion on one side breeds suspicion on the other, and new weapons beget counterweapons. All this is not unrelated to world peace. 'When a man's ways please the Lord,' the Scriptures tell us, 'he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.' And is not peace, in the last analysis, basically a matter of human rights - the right to live out our lives without fear of devastation - the right to breathe air as nature provided it - the right of future generations to a healthy existence? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:26:57 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: A General Educational Development Course for a Failing Humanity] Comments: To: mail@spaceshipearth.com, Tetworld Game , Tetglobal Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Tetworld - http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html > > Roger: > > The book by Dr. Shlain sounds interesting. I'll add it to my > bibliography. Your message was sent to me, the author of the original > message. I don't think it was sent to Mark and the list, as it was > obviously intended to be, so I'm forwarding it to the list. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: A General Educational Development Course for a Failing Humanity > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:45:56 EDT > From: RSmith7957@aol.com > To: mail@spaceshipearth.com > CC: RSmith7957@aol.com > > Mark, et al. > > This is fabulous! Exciting! Great work, Mark! You are a real > leader and > you have both my "trust" and deeply-felt gratitude. > All, I am deeply flattered by the above and very grateful for such kind and sincere words--gives me a warm glow...however...also, a bit embarrassed...if there's one thing that I think is essential, it is for all of us to be "leaders"--or perhaps, "co-leaders"--and not in any elite sense. I always resist the temptation to retain hierarchies (implicit or explicit) between and amongst us..e.g., leaders and followers. We are lifting all boats--our own boats included. Everyone's a star. Thanks, Mark ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:12:43 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: From the Oregon Curriculum Network Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When your a big bully somebody has to adjust your after burners. Cool down and lets talk synergetics, or the behavior of whole systems as we are a part of them. The area sweep out of gestation rates of angular momentum is what awareness is. All awareness. The speed of light norm, what ever it is. everything else is an extension of the events of angular sweep out of all micro and macro volumes caused by the same. Do we agree that we all live in one volume that is synergetic and that energetically we have the radio telescope measurement in light years of this dymaxion volume. What do you call this volume, as you know I call it the unitivity volume. What do you call it as an event? Why is my invented word unitivity so bad as you have stated? Show me where bucky states in synergetics any remark about the volume in mind, that is on going in its development not static. I am not talking static. :-) Kirby Urner wrote: > > I agree darth. I am very much on your side > >on most all things except your lack of saying you > >are sorry to those you have attacked for your lack > >of understanding gestation rates. Please consider > > Thanks to you, I understand gestation rates much better > now, as in "I'll grow up when it suits me, not when it > was high time." Way too late now. But not my problem > (praise Allah). > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:27:43 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: FW: Bz-Culture: water pumps Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- >From: "Mark Siegmund" >To: bz-culture@psg.com >Subject: Bz-Culture: water pumps >Date: Mon,Aug 1999, 9:11 PM > > This message sent to the Bz-Culture Mailing List from "Mark Siegmund" > : > > FYI, > > Mark > > Please check out my home page > http://members.tripod.com/nxtwave/gaiatech/index.html for a type of pump > which would be especially useful to people with low head hydro sites. The > pump has no moving parts and I am advertising it over the internet. However, > with the internet, I cannot hope to reach the poor people who most need this > sort of thing. Perhaps you know of an organization or person who is > interested. The pump isn't super efficient but it is reliable, easy to > make, inexpensive, and uses low head power which is typically unusable by > any other means. Links to the page are welcome. Recomended improvements to > the layout are welcome too! Brian White Check out > http://members.tripod.com/nxtwave/gaiatech/northern_lights.htm for an energy > saving measure which small northern and southern countries could implement > to reduce their lighting costs, and to improve conditions for tourism. I > would appreciate any comments on the subject (tweaking time zones) in this > news group. Brian White > Thank You for using the Bz-Culture Mailing List > To subscribe/unsubscribe send to bz-culture-request@psg.com the message: > subscribe or unsubscribe > Send comments to bz-culture-owner@psg.com > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:36:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: maximum memory /Fuller Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tagdi, yes I could access it...a lot of work. You might be interested to see similar kinds of data at the Tetworld Node B: http://members.tripod.com/bnodeb/nodeb.html Or you can go to the Tetworld main page at: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and go to Node B in the links section. Mark > > hi mark, > did you check the page, please tell me if you can access it. > i worked a bit on it today, so now it is more full of > numbers. > numbers are tiring and confusing, the arrangment make them > less so. and they are meant to be used as refrence. > > i find that when i read if i cut the information and > remember only 2 of each type then i can better remember. > of course you need to review later. an example i > know few types of wood and 2 kinds of dogs. > > i have the feeling that this was the way fuller built his > cosmos- two things here one there two ther two here > three there and so forth. > > how did he precive events? still one of my questions. > > tagdi > http://members.tripod.co.uk/fuel/index-5.html > > sorry: how can you have an adress automaticly attached > to your email. > -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:42:31 +0430 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: aagdii@DDS.NL Subject: 100% OF HUMANITY Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there is not much difference between 1975 when Fuller calculated the energy slaves availble for each individual human and now 2000. the only difference is that now we have more tools and artifacts which might be used in the coming future. my speculation is that not the year 2000 as Fuller expected evolution to take care of the 100%. i knew he was wrong few years ago. my hunch based on the numbers and the little i know, i think it would be year 2005 when the whole thing will take off. if i want to be more accurate i would look at the change of GNP of China and India in the last 40 years- 10 year sequence. India as slow at this moment, we might even expect a war there. -- casualy i am searching the subject of paper use in relation to oil, defrostation, office work, computer. looking for hints and refrences. ---- i am also looking forward to make a new home page for solutions and relationships only. i dont know if it is a good idea. if you have any realtionship laws or solution to a problems you can send them to me and i will list them. the relationship i am talking about is similar to Fuller energy calculations, the law population and standard of living, the law that if your incom is law you spend more on food, the calculated incomes in 9 chains to the moon. and others- solutions tetrahedron cities, world game, the higher calbar staff. it should not take more than one pargraph of 10 lines. tagdi aagdii@hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:11:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: VTOL CAR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vertical Take-Off & Landing vehicle: http://www.sjmercury.com/svtech/news/breaking/merc/docs/skycar082499.htm Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:17:18 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: NEW DOME MANUF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Applied Geodesics, Inc, Vancouver, WA, USA http://www.agidomes.com/ Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:37:18 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: NEW DOME MANUF Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, do you know of a geodesic dome manufacturer who could make a 300'-400' diameter dome? thanks, Mark > Applied Geodesics, Inc, Vancouver, WA, USA > > http://www.agidomes.com/ > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:34:55 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Nuclear Age (Was: General Educational Development Course) Comments: To: Tetworld Game , Tetglobal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby Urner wrote: > The > >> >countdown is dedicated to the memory of R. Buckminster > >> >The countdown will commemorate the life and work of > >> >R. Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, 1885, the first > >> >detonation of a nuclear bomb, July 16, 1945, and the first > > Seems a bit odd to throw the bomb in here, given that the tone > is one of dedication (connotes appreciation, celebration). > "Bucky, Bomb and Blastoff" -- does that work? Yea! It freaked me out too, at first. But it looks like you need a little remedial study yourself or you'd readily see the connection to Fuller's philosophy. This nuclear test was the first dramatic demonstration of Einstein's new world view. Buckminster Fuller not only made it clear that our nuclear age knowledge gives us the ability to achieve complete transformation of the human built environment in an explosion of development, before he wrote Nine Chains to the Moon, he was already predicting that Einstein's new world view would give us this ability. When I fist saw this ominous nuclear test standing right square in the middle, symbolically blocking the uniting of these two great visions, I felt very uncomfortable. I said, "I don't like this." Then I said, "I'll think about it," and then I forgot about it. Later, when I was reminded of it again, a flood of imagery swept over me and I sat down and typed up six pages of notes on the potential our nuclear age knowledge of reality gives us to achieve world transformation. It applied to everything; It scattered like fallout. This nuclear test was the beginning of a race between utopia and oblivion, but every adversity brings with it an equal or greater opportunity. We can transform this barrier that separates these two great visions into a bridge that unites them. Until I have time to give a more complete presentation on this subject, more information can be obtained from these postings in the GEODESIC newsgroup archives. July 12-20, 2001: A Portal Into History That Will Guide Us In Meeting the Challenges and Opportunities of the 21st Century http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9908&L=geodesic&P=R3963&m=10306 Countdown and Tradeshow Update (contains some pertinent philosophy and orientation): http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9812&L=geodesic&F=&S=&P=10853 (Design Science Exposition and Countdown) http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9908&L=geodesic&P=R1191&m=10306 The Official Event of the Third Millennium: Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity: http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9810&L=geodesic&P=R5474 Call me trimtab: Buckminster Fuller Biography: http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811&L=geodesic&P=R408 Design Science Revolution 101 (First Annual Dwelling Machine Design and Trade Show): http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811&L=geodesic&P=R9103 The Third Millennium: A Race Between Utopia and Oblivion?: http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9810&L=geodesic&P=R6730 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:12:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: NEW DOME MANUF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, See http://www.temcor.com/profile.html Temcor makes domes up to about 1,000 feet in diameter that can withstand winds of about 200 mph. Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Mark Siegmund wrote in message news: <199908250337.UAA28208@pop.thegrid.net>... > Joe, do you know of a geodesic dome manufacturer who could make a 300'-400' > diameter dome? > > thanks, > Mark > > > > Applied Geodesics, Inc, Vancouver, WA, USA > > > > http://www.agidomes.com/ > > > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:17:34 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Emergence through Emergency (Was: General Educational Development Course) Comments: To: mail@spaceshipearth.com, Tetworld Game , Tetglobal Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of Nine Chains to the Moon--one of the chapters is entitled, I think, Emergence Through Emergency. (again, over the course of many years, that book and many other treasures have disappeared). Anyway, synthesizing the thoughts in that chapter with later work on Anticipatory Design Science, there emerges in my mind, the concept of "fulcrum" or "leverage" with respect to strategic approaches to the job of making the world work for everyone. Basically, the thread is, at it might be applied at a world game, or at Tetworld, is: Because current attitudes and approaches to dealing with emergencies, is all too often, re-active (as we've just seen in Turkey)--as opposed to pro-active---and world gamers having worked through the elements of a Grand Strategy and the sub-strategies comprising it, the question remains, how to implement it (them)? One great advantage that Anticipatory Design Science (ADS) offers, is the possibility to provide, in advance of the emergency, on-the-shelf "plug-ins" for remediation. For example, in the case of devastating hurricanes or earthquakes. When emergencies occur, responsible "authorities" have no plans to put in place, following the event to provide solutions that will prevent the next great damage from the next event. At this point they are "vulnerable", or put more positively, "open" to solutions. ADS having anticipated the circumstance and prepared a "package" solution, is then able to step-in immediately, the first on-scene, offering the hows, why and wherefores--a complete solution strategy--intrinsically replete with the design elements that in the larger sense, take the entire process of making the world work, into the larger strategic application mode--or phase. Package elements might include: air deployable geodesic housing, complete plans for and costing for a local manufacture of geodesic units--replete with power generation, waste treatment, satellite relayed links for communications and information, education--designs for medical care units, a strategy for deployment--funding sources--technology and artifact acquisition methods, etc...anyway, a complete package which resonates with, and represents, the overall global strategic goal of putting into place, strategically, those elements, which will over time, synergetically, constitute an "evolutionary" shift to human success. So emergencies, provide opportunities, to make significant anticipatory strategic world gaming advances. Conceptually, perhaps analagously akin to acupuncture/acupressure. If anyone could scan and put on our list the chapter on Emergence through Emergency--I for one, would be deeply grateful. thanks, Mark > > Kirby Urner wrote: >> > The >> >> >countdown is dedicated to the memory of R. Buckminster >> >> >The countdown will commemorate the life and work of >> >> >R. Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, 1885, the first >> >> >detonation of a nuclear bomb, July 16, 1945, and the first >> >> Seems a bit odd to throw the bomb in here, given that the tone >> is one of dedication (connotes appreciation, celebration). >> "Bucky, Bomb and Blastoff" -- does that work? > > Yea! It freaked me out too, at first. But it looks like you need > a little remedial study yourself or you'd readily see the connection > to Fuller's philosophy. This nuclear test was the first dramatic > demonstration of Einstein's new world view. Buckminster Fuller not > only made it clear that our nuclear age knowledge gives us the > ability to achieve complete transformation of the human built > environment in an explosion of development, before he wrote Nine > Chains to the Moon, he was already predicting that Einstein's new > world view would give us this ability. > > When I fist saw this ominous nuclear test standing right square > in the middle, symbolically blocking the uniting of these two great > visions, I felt very uncomfortable. I said, "I don't like this." Then > I said, "I'll think about it," and then I forgot about it. Later, > when I was reminded of it again, a flood of imagery swept over me and > I sat down and typed up six pages of notes on the potential our > nuclear age knowledge of reality gives us to achieve world > transformation. It applied to everything; It scattered like fallout. > This nuclear test was the beginning of a race between utopia and > oblivion, but every adversity brings with it an equal or greater > opportunity. We can transform this barrier that separates these two > great visions into a bridge that unites them. > > Until I have time to give a more complete presentation on this > subject, more information can be obtained from these postings in the > GEODESIC newsgroup archives. > > July 12-20, 2001: A Portal Into History That Will Guide Us In Meeting > the Challenges and Opportunities of the 21st Century > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9908&L=geodesic&P=R3963&m= 10306 > > Countdown and Tradeshow Update (contains some pertinent philosophy > and orientation): > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9812&L=geodesic&F=&S=&P=10 853 > > (Design Science Exposition and Countdown) > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9908&L=geodesic&P=R1191&m= 10306 > > The Official Event of the Third Millennium: Annual Countdown to > Complete Physical Success for All Humanity: > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9810&L=geodesic&P=R5474 > > Call me trimtab: Buckminster Fuller Biography: > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811&L=geodesic&P=R408 > > Design Science Revolution 101 (First Annual Dwelling Machine Design > and Trade Show): > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811&L=geodesic&P=R9103 > > The Third Millennium: A Race Between Utopia and Oblivion?: > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9810&L=geodesic&P=R6730 > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to Tetworld-unsubscribe@listbot.com > MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with > your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com > -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:50:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: The Game Room? Comments: To: tetglobal@listbot.com, tetworld@listbot.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, there's (at the link below) a domed building and an interior shot--it looks to be a "small" sports arena with bleachers on an upper tier--I can "see" a player's tier (for world gaming) being where the second tier of bleachers are--and the "flat" dymaxion map being where the basketball court is...what do you think? It's at: http://www.temcor.com/arch.html And many thanks to Joe Moore, The Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute, who provide the link. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:39:32 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: NEW DOME MANUF Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Joe, muchimas gracias > > Below, is the post re your link that I sent to our lists... > > Tetworld Peace Through Development Project - > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > > > All, there's (at the link below) a domed building and an interior shot--it > looks to be a "small" sports arena with bleachers on an upper tier--I can > "see" a player's tier (for world gaming) being where the second tier of > bleachers are--and the "flat" dymaxion map being where the basketball court > is...what do you think? > > It's at: http://www.temcor.com/arch.html > > And many thanks to Joe Moore, The Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute, who > provide the link. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to Tetworld-unsubscribe@listbot.com > MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with > your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com > > Mark, > > See http://www.temcor.com/profile.html > > Temcor makes domes up to about 1,000 feet in diameter that can withstand > winds of about 200 mph. > > Joe S Moore > mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > Mark Siegmund wrote in message news: > <199908250337.UAA28208@pop.thegrid.net>... >> Joe, do you know of a geodesic dome manufacturer who could make a > 300'-400' >> diameter dome? >> >> thanks, >> Mark >> >> >> > Applied Geodesics, Inc, Vancouver, WA, USA >> > >> > http://www.agidomes.com/ >> > >> > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com >> > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ >> > >> > -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:02:12 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: (no subject) Comments: To: Magda1994@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Magda, Click on -> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/GeomModels.htm I was there a second ago. Let me know if you have trouble again. Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 5:33 PM Subject: (no subject) > Hi, Joe, > Thanks for responding to my inquiry about Bucky toys. I > reached"cruzio,com.", but couldn't get joemoore/links/geomodels. I > entered:http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/GeomModels.htm but the message > said"this page does not exist at this site". > Can you help me get into the site? > > Thanks, > Magda(on the Tetworld list) > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:12:44 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Anderson Subject: Spaceframes Part I: Rectangular Spaceframes A short introduction to the rectangular-celled spaceframes. http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/spaceframe1 VRML renderings are included. - Dave http://w3.one.net/~monkey ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:22:42 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Spaceframes Part I: Rectangular Spaceframes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, "Spaceframes" are not as strong as "octet trusses" because the open squares of the half-octahedras are not triangulated. Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ David Anderson wrote in message news: <000401beefab$8ab95380$5a6332d1@computer>... > A short introduction to the rectangular-celled spaceframes. > > http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/spaceframe1 > > VRML renderings are included. > > - Dave http://w3.one.net/~monkey > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:28:27 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: Working Model for Spaceship Earth Comments: To: Kirby Urner Comments: cc: tetglobal@listbot.com, Tetworld@listbot.com, synergetics-l@telelists.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to blow my own horn here, but I discovered and developed the Tetworld system concept and design in 1980--that's an interval of 19 years before there is significant application, e.g., at Lufthansa. As best I can see, Lufthansa's application is an exact duplicate, or replication, of the tetworld systems design and concept. what is even more remarkable at Lufhansa, is that they understand the non-hierarchical "nature" of the system. the holographic "nature" of the tet as well. Now that Lufthansa, a mighty corporation to be sure, has the confidence to use the system, I hope others will join us at Tetworld to help with its (the Tetworld tet system) development as applied to world gaming. thanks so much, Mark > Mark -- > > FYI, Lufthansa has gone with a "tetworld" style conceptual > networking diagram at: http://www.pob.de/_fr_home.htm > > Thanks to Gerald de Jong for noticing. > > Kirby > > Related reading: > http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/system.html > > -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:38:46 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Emergence through Emergency (Was: General Educational Development Course) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6F65C95C1F4DA9DFE73E6FC1" --------------6F65C95C1F4DA9DFE73E6FC1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have heard and watched the dark ages that we live in get darker as the technology grows and more manager types that have power hide their head from the light. We must have a vote to change this management. That means someone needs to run for president that can work for bucky. Ed Schlosberg would be a good person to do this. OR his wife. If we do not have a person in the management we shall all be talking on the out skirts for ever about it as the special interest pay off everyone inside to stop good design for humanity and love to spread over the earth with help and success for all humanity. We do not need to tear the top down as bucky has stated we do more with less to build the bottom up. Up and Down being flat earth concepts, I should say in; and out.? The only way we can change the world without war is to vote. We must make someone to vote for that is a bucky minded matrix. To unite the world with one successful management that includes and takes war and makes it livingry is the only vote, other wise we all die in the end. As the universe wants this to happen if we do not respond more things will happen to make us respond. As the world shoots each other for seemingly no reason this is the real reason. There is no plan for the future to be happy about, only less for more and this means war as the tools for war become more efficient and able to be used by have nots that see no other way to communicate but war. Brace your self for the arms race in your own back yard. I hope that we can make the test work out for the youth. We are in the dark ages as the year 2000 passes. Kiby what do you call the volume we live in? Do you have a general system theory? Where is it in the book? I still say the planets sweep out the same area in the same time. Mark Siegmund wrote: > Speaking of Nine Chains to the Moon--one of the chapters is entitled, I > think, Emergence Through Emergency. (again, over the course of many years, > that book and many other treasures have disappeared). > > Anyway, synthesizing the thoughts in that chapter with later work on > Anticipatory Design Science, there emerges in my mind, the concept of > "fulcrum" or "leverage" with respect to strategic approaches to the job of > making the world work for everyone. > > Basically, the thread is, at it might be applied at a world game, or at > Tetworld, is: > > Because current attitudes and approaches to dealing with emergencies, is all > too often, re-active (as we've just seen in Turkey)--as opposed to > pro-active---and world gamers having worked through the elements of a Grand > Strategy and the sub-strategies comprising it, the question remains, how to > implement it (them)? > > One great advantage that Anticipatory Design Science (ADS) offers, is the > possibility to provide, in advance of the emergency, on-the-shelf "plug-ins" > for remediation. For example, in the case of devastating hurricanes or > earthquakes. > > When emergencies occur, responsible "authorities" have no plans to put in > place, following the event to provide solutions that will prevent the next > great damage from the next event. At this point they are "vulnerable", or > put more positively, "open" to solutions. > > ADS having anticipated the circumstance and prepared a "package" solution, > is then able to step-in immediately, the first on-scene, offering the hows, > why and wherefores--a complete solution strategy--intrinsically replete with > the design elements that in the larger sense, take the entire process of > making the world work, into the larger strategic application mode--or phase. > > Package elements might include: air deployable geodesic housing, complete > plans for and costing for a local manufacture of geodesic units--replete > with power generation, waste treatment, satellite relayed links for > communications and information, education--designs for medical care units, a > strategy for deployment--funding sources--technology and artifact > acquisition methods, etc...anyway, a complete package which resonates with, > and represents, the overall global strategic goal of putting into place, > strategically, those elements, which will over time, synergetically, > constitute an "evolutionary" shift to human success. > > So emergencies, provide opportunities, to make significant anticipatory > strategic world gaming advances. Conceptually, perhaps analagously akin to > acupuncture/acupressure. > > If anyone could scan and put on our list the chapter on Emergence through > Emergency--I for one, would be deeply grateful. > > thanks, > > Mark > > > > Kirby Urner wrote: > >> > > The > >> >> >countdown is dedicated to the memory of R. Buckminster > >> >> >The countdown will commemorate the life and work of > >> >> >R. Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, 1885, the first > >> >> >detonation of a nuclear bomb, July 16, 1945, and the first > >> > >> Seems a bit odd to throw the bomb in here, given that the tone > >> is one of dedication (connotes appreciation, celebration). > >> "Bucky, Bomb and Blastoff" -- does that work? > > > > Yea! It freaked me out too, at first. But it looks like you need > > a little remedial study yourself or you'd readily see the connection > > to Fuller's philosophy. This nuclear test was the first dramatic > > demonstration of Einstein's new world view. Buckminster Fuller not > > only made it clear that our nuclear age knowledge gives us the > > ability to achieve complete transformation of the human built > > environment in an explosion of development, before he wrote Nine > > Chains to the Moon, he was already predicting that Einstein's new > > world view would give us this ability. > > > > When I fist saw this ominous nuclear test standing right square > > in the middle, symbolically blocking the uniting of these two great > > visions, I felt very uncomfortable. I said, "I don't like this." Then > > I said, "I'll think about it," and then I forgot about it. Later, > > when I was reminded of it again, a flood of imagery swept over me and > > I sat down and typed up six pages of notes on the potential our > > nuclear age knowledge of reality gives us to achieve world > > transformation. It applied to everything; It scattered like fallout. > > This nuclear test was the beginning of a race between utopia and > > oblivion, but every adversity brings with it an equal or greater > > opportunity. We can transform this barrier that separates these two > > great visions into a bridge that unites them. > > > > Until I have time to give a more complete presentation on this > > subject, more information can be obtained from these postings in the > > GEODESIC newsgroup archives. > > > > July 12-20, 2001: A Portal Into History That Will Guide Us In Meeting > > the Challenges and Opportunities of the 21st Century > > > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9908&L=geodesic&P=R3963&m= > 10306 > > > > Countdown and Tradeshow Update (contains some pertinent philosophy > > and orientation): > > > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9812&L=geodesic&F=&S=&P=10 > 853 > > > > (Design Science Exposition and Countdown) > > > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9908&L=geodesic&P=R1191&m= > 10306 > > > > The Official Event of the Third Millennium: Annual Countdown to > > Complete Physical Success for All Humanity: > > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9810&L=geodesic&P=R5474 > > > > Call me trimtab: Buckminster Fuller Biography: > > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811&L=geodesic&P=R408 > > > > Design Science Revolution 101 (First Annual Dwelling Machine Design > > and Trade Show): > > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811&L=geodesic&P=R9103 > > > > The Third Millennium: A Race Between Utopia and Oblivion?: > > http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9810&L=geodesic&P=R6730 > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, write to Tetworld-unsubscribe@listbot.com > > MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with > > your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com > > > > -- > Regards, > Mark Siegmund > email: siegmund@thegrid.net > Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game > Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html > Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > The Tetworld Story: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm > Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) > http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html > To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept > and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development > list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > and select the desired option. --------------6F65C95C1F4DA9DFE73E6FC1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have heard and watched the dark ages that we live in get darker as
the technology grows and more manager types that have power
hide their head from the light.  We must have a vote to change this
management.  That means someone needs to run for president that
can work for bucky.  Ed Schlosberg would be a good person to do
this.  OR his wife.  If we do not have a person in the management we
shall all be talking on the out skirts for ever about it as the special interest
pay off everyone inside to stop good design for humanity and love to
spread over the earth with help and success for all humanity.
We do not need to tear the top down as bucky has stated we
do more with less to build the bottom up. Up and Down being flat
earth concepts, I should say in; and out.?
The only way we can change the world without war is to vote.
We must make someone to vote for that is a bucky minded matrix.
To unite the world with one successful management that includes and
takes war and makes it livingry is the only vote, other wise we all die
in the end.  As the universe wants this to happen if we do not respond
more things will happen to make us respond.  As the world shoots
each other for seemingly no reason this is the real reason. There is no
plan for the future to be happy about, only less for more and this means
war as the tools for war become more efficient and able to be used
by have nots that see no other way to communicate but war.
Brace your self for the arms race in your own back yard.
I hope that we can make the test work out for the youth.
We are in the dark ages as the year 2000 passes.
Kiby what do you call the volume we live in?
Do you have a general system theory?
Where is it in the book?
I still say the planets sweep out the same area in the same time.

Mark Siegmund wrote:

Speaking of Nine Chains to the Moon--one of the chapters is entitled, I
think, Emergence Through Emergency. (again, over the course of many years,
that book and many other treasures have disappeared).

Anyway, synthesizing the thoughts in that chapter with later work on
Anticipatory Design Science, there emerges in my mind, the concept of
"fulcrum" or "leverage"  with respect to strategic approaches to the job of
making the world work for everyone.

Basically, the thread is, at it might be applied at a world game, or at
Tetworld, is:

Because current attitudes and approaches to dealing with emergencies, is all
too often, re-active (as we've just seen in Turkey)--as opposed to
pro-active---and world gamers having worked through the elements of a Grand
Strategy and the sub-strategies comprising it, the question remains, how to
implement it (them)?

One great advantage that Anticipatory Design Science (ADS) offers, is the
possibility to provide, in advance of the emergency, on-the-shelf "plug-ins"
for remediation.  For example, in the case of devastating hurricanes or
earthquakes.

When emergencies occur, responsible "authorities" have no plans to put in
place, following the event to provide solutions that will prevent the next
great damage from the next event.  At this point they are "vulnerable", or
put more positively, "open" to solutions.

ADS having anticipated the circumstance and prepared a "package" solution,
is then able to step-in immediately, the first on-scene, offering the hows,
why and wherefores--a complete solution strategy--intrinsically replete with
the design elements that in the larger sense, take the entire process of
making the world work, into the larger strategic application mode--or phase.

Package elements might include:  air deployable geodesic housing, complete
plans for and costing for a local manufacture of geodesic units--replete
with power generation, waste treatment, satellite relayed links for
communications and information, education--designs for medical care units, a
strategy for deployment--funding sources--technology and artifact
acquisition methods, etc...anyway, a complete package which resonates with,
and represents, the overall global strategic goal of putting into place,
strategically, those elements, which will over time, synergetically,
constitute an "evolutionary" shift to human success.

So emergencies, provide opportunities, to make significant anticipatory
strategic world gaming advances.  Conceptually, perhaps analagously akin to
acupuncture/acupressure.

If anyone could scan and put on our list the chapter on Emergence through
Emergency--I for one, would be deeply grateful.

thanks,

Mark
>
> Kirby Urner wrote:
>>
> The
>> >> >countdown is dedicated to the memory of R. Buckminster
>> >> >The countdown will commemorate the life and work of
>> >> >R. Buckminster Fuller, born July 12, 1885, the first
>> >> >detonation of a nuclear bomb, July 16, 1945, and the first
>>
>> Seems a bit odd to throw the bomb in here, given that the tone
>> is one of dedication (connotes appreciation, celebration).
>> "Bucky, Bomb and Blastoff" -- does that work?
>
> Yea! It freaked me out too, at first. But it looks like you need
> a little remedial study yourself or you'd readily see the connection
> to Fuller's philosophy. This nuclear test was the first dramatic
> demonstration of Einstein's new world view. Buckminster Fuller not
> only made it clear that our nuclear age knowledge gives us the
> ability to achieve complete transformation of the human built
> environment in an explosion of development, before he wrote Nine
> Chains to the Moon, he was already predicting that Einstein's new
> world view would give us this ability.
>
> When I fist saw this ominous nuclear test standing right square
> in the middle, symbolically blocking the uniting of these two great
> visions, I felt very uncomfortable. I said, "I don't like this." Then
> I said, "I'll think about it," and then I forgot about it. Later,
> when I was reminded of it again, a flood of imagery swept over me and
> I sat down and typed up six pages of notes on the potential our
> nuclear age knowledge of reality gives us to achieve world
> transformation. It applied to everything; It scattered like fallout.
> This nuclear test was the beginning of a race between utopia and
> oblivion, but every adversity brings with it an equal or greater
> opportunity. We can transform this barrier that separates these two
> great visions into a bridge that unites them.
>
> Until I have time to give a more complete presentation on this
> subject, more information can be obtained from these postings in the
> GEODESIC newsgroup archives.
>
> July 12-20, 2001: A Portal Into History That Will Guide Us In Meeting
> the Challenges and Opportunities of the 21st Century
>
http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9908&L=geodesic&P=R3963&m=
10306
>
> Countdown and Tradeshow Update (contains some pertinent philosophy
> and orientation):
>
http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9812&L=geodesic&F=&S=&P=10
853
>
> (Design Science Exposition and Countdown)
>
http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9908&L=geodesic&P=R1191&m=
10306
>
> The Official Event of the Third Millennium: Annual Countdown to
> Complete Physical Success for All Humanity:
> http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9810&L=geodesic&P=R5474
>
> Call me trimtab: Buckminster Fuller Biography:
> http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811&L=geodesic&P=R408
>
> Design Science Revolution 101 (First Annual Dwelling Machine Design
> and Trade Show):
> http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811&L=geodesic&P=R9103
>
> The Third Millennium: A Race Between Utopia and Oblivion?:
> http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9810&L=geodesic&P=R6730
>
>
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  --------------6F65C95C1F4DA9DFE73E6FC1-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:41:25 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: The Game Room? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This monument to design is the old model, it should be on the net and that is that. Why have a place that only you can go and no one else can afford to travel there around the world. This screen is the place, period. We are here now. Mark Siegmund wrote: > All, there's (at the link below) a domed building and an interior shot--it > looks to be a "small" sports arena with bleachers on an upper tier--I can > "see" a player's tier (for world gaming) being where the second tier of > bleachers are--and the "flat" dymaxion map being where the basketball court > is...what do you think? > > It's at: http://www.temcor.com/arch.html > > And many thanks to Joe Moore, The Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute, who > provide the link. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:06:26 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Working Model for Spaceship Earth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Life on earth has just aged a billion years. Bucky would cut out articles and hang them on clothes hangers and made his first records of chronofiles of scientific discoveries. Washington (AP) Scientists studying Australian rocks have found evidence that primitive forms of life existed 2.7 billion years ago - a billion years earlier than had been previously shown. " The molecular fossils we report are the oldest preserved biological molecules in the world," Said researcher Jochen J. Brocks. This age should provide a new calibration point for molecular clocks and the universal tree of life," Brocks and his fellow Australian researchers reported. The evidence pushes back life to the Archean era, the period from the beginning of Earth to about 2.5 billion years ago. This could show that many species could have come and gone many times on earth, and that life on this planet has a great unknown mystery to its history. This article is from the Southern Illinoisan, August 13, 1999. Mark Siegmund wrote: > Not to blow my own horn here, but I discovered and developed the Tetworld > system concept and design in 1980--that's an interval of 19 years before > there is significant application, e.g., at Lufthansa. > > As best I can see, Lufthansa's application is an exact duplicate, or > replication, of the tetworld systems design and concept. > > what is even more remarkable at Lufhansa, is that they understand the > non-hierarchical "nature" of the system. the holographic "nature" of the > tet as well. > > Now that Lufthansa, a mighty corporation to be sure, has the confidence to > use the system, I hope others will join us at Tetworld to help with its (the > Tetworld tet system) development as applied to world gaming. > > thanks so much, > Mark > > > Mark -- > > > > FYI, Lufthansa has gone with a "tetworld" style conceptual > > networking diagram at: http://www.pob.de/_fr_home.htm > > > > Thanks to Gerald de Jong for noticing. > > > > Kirby > > > > Related reading: > > http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/system.html > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Mark Siegmund > email: siegmund@thegrid.net > Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game > Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html > Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > The Tetworld Story: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm > Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) > http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html > To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept > and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development > list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:03:20 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: t,g, quadtet, et al Comments: To: tetglobal@listbot.com, Tetworld@listbot.com Comments: cc: synergetics-l@telelists.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, here is what I call the quadtet, which is the same configuration that Lufthansa is using--you just have to imagine the additional vector lines leading from each of the 4 tets to each other--only my truly rudimentary skills at rendering graphics prevented me from drawing them in. http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/quadtet.jpg The quadtet is a link at Node D, which in turn is linked at the links section at the Main Tetworld page at: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The descriptions of information flows, functions, sequencing and types are to be found at the bottom of the page, at: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm and again at Node D: http://members.tripod.com/dnoded/grid2.html -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:32:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: tetworld design vindication Comments: To: tetworld@listbot.com, tetglobal@listbot.com Comments: cc: pdx4d@teleport.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, I've been sitting here transfixed, watching the Lufthansa systems model going through its paces...I've really got to hand it to those people..what a beautiful presentation--it even shows information flows in action. If I didn't know better, I'd say it's pure sci-fi. I can't possibly thank them enough for vindicating the tetworld systems model. Thank you guys and gals at the Lufthansa Systems Design Team! -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:44:13 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Anderson Subject: Re: Spaceframes Part I: Rectangular Spaceframes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe - Yes, I know. However, these forms are in common use in the industry, and Triangular Spaceframes will follow in an upcoming installment. - Dave -----Original Message----- From: Joe S Moore Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Spaceframes Part I: Rectangular Spaceframes >Dave, > >"Spaceframes" are not as strong as "octet trusses" because the open squares >of the half-octahedras are not triangulated. > >Joe S Moore >mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com >Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute >http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > >David Anderson wrote in message news: ><000401beefab$8ab95380$5a6332d1@computer>... >> A short introduction to the rectangular-celled spaceframes. >> >> http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/spaceframe1 >> >> VRML renderings are included. >> >> - Dave http://w3.one.net/~monkey >> > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:53:52 +0430 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: aagdii@DDS.NL Subject: project reniscance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit more web pages that keep complicating the subject, business in the middle to make money. if you like to be trainer and another confrence for the mutilated and another confrence for this and that. accelerated learning is another subject. i think we should move toward simplification- at least in communication. of course at this moment we dont know how to educate humanity. how about somthing fun, somthing like the stupid gue or colour and build houses programs. musty i dont know if it is musty enough(is musty mean rusty) from Baldwin book. i think Baldwin hit it on the nose, he is doing the project- can we use him as model. just more ideas in the fire to see if something new comes about. fun program that teaches without you know it. rather that more of full thank text. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:25:04 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: t,g, quadtet, et al MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not to interested in this, and I am not sure why. IT seems like a world game rip off like Geni. But to imitate is the highest flattery, or something like that. I would suppose that we all are monkey see monkey do so I do the same thing, the fact is that this practice may bring about a new way to live that will allow humanity a clear and concise alternative that will work. SO I will keep trying to see how this fits. I think the idea of making a tetrahedron out of everything is a bit, over rated. I had a page in Ed Schlossbergs good news in 1965 ( ( I think this was the year ) Ed, if you are out there let me know if it is not.)) - that had the tetracomprahedronal states of : Intellect energy communication design It was called comprahedron, Having total scope and was the matrix inwhich I formed unitivity on the long run. These were what I thought was the 4 most important states of point of view. SO you see I have had the same sort of tetra stuffing action myself. As bucky would say to me, if it has integrity he is all for it. What is integrity is the questions!? Mark Siegmund wrote: > All, here is what I call the quadtet, which is the same configuration that > Lufthansa is using--you just have to imagine the additional vector lines > leading from each of the 4 tets to each other--only my truly rudimentary > skills at rendering graphics prevented me from drawing them in. > > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/quadtet.jpg > > The quadtet is a link at Node D, which in turn is linked at the links > section at the Main Tetworld page at: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > > The descriptions of information flows, functions, sequencing and types are > to be found at the bottom of the page, at: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm and again at Node D: > http://members.tripod.com/dnoded/grid2.html > -- > Regards, > Mark Siegmund > email: siegmund@thegrid.net > Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game > Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html > Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > The Tetworld Story: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm > Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) > http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html > To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept > and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development > list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:19:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: (no subject) Comments: To: Magda1994@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Magda, I'm mystified as to what is going on! I just tried accessing my web site from both my computer and a friend's and they both worked. 1) Try http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ or http://gate.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ 2) If you get that far click on "Links" http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/0Links.htm. 3) Then click on "G" http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/G.htm. 4) Scroll down to "Geometry" and click on "Go to the Geometry Links page" http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/Geom.htm. 5) Scroll down to "Models" and click on "Go to the Models page" http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/GeomModels.htm. Once you get to the models page, some of the references have a link outside my site to another web site (person, organization, company, etc.) Some of those links may have become obsolete. The date next to a link (links are underlined in blue) is the last time I checked that link. If you can't get to step 5, I don't know what's wrong. Can you get to step 1? Step 2? 3? 4? 5? Tell me how far you get. Quote the exact text of the "error" message. Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 2:06 PM Subject: Re: (no subject) > Hi, Joe, > That address says This site is not listed, or something to that effect, > but it does send me into the internet store. Interesting items, but I don't > see the models. > Further suggestion appreciated. > Thanks, Joe, > Magda > (I just asked a friend to check out the original listing and he also got This > site ....not listed. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:13:47 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Spaceframes Part I: Rectangular Spaceframes <> Brian Hutchings 27-AUG-1999 23:13 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, this is the famous "toothpick centric" model of "structure" -- I lost my glasses! thus quoth: "Spaceframes" are not as strong as "octet trusses" because the open squares of the half-octahedras are not triangulated. --Dynasty !?! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:39:11 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re [Q-P] Public goods? <> Brian Hutchings 28-AUG-1999 0:39 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well. thankfully, there is at least "one person on this list who can costruct an argument with sound resaons" -- we salute him: Hallelujah!... presumably, the compliment is reflected back to he of sound mind who so-judge! anyway, I don't know what Tobin said about the relative increase of medical costs, but he did come-up with the Tobin Tax, which is a porposal to cool-down teh derivatives and other bubbles, with a small transaction fee, to reign the arbitrageurs in etc. thus quoth: pointed out on this list] clean drinking water, and airwave broadcasting and and [the list is endless]. And, of course, if these things aren't publically provided the price will skyrocket because of the massive economies to scale [what, it went down dramatically in each instance, well, it's just a fluke]. this is not neccesariky a fluke per se, take electricity deregulation, which I've been following in Los Angeles. before Council passed the "green e" program to mandate the City's own operations to use "renewable" energy (not "fossilized" fuels), deregulation had been mandated on the state level, and implimented with a shake-up in the management of the Dept.of Water and Power: a guy who used to head the Tennessee Valley Authority was used as a shill to promote solar collectors & so forth (he even quoted Roosevelt, using documentation that I'd supplied, apparently, to his opposite ends). what the various "Green" closet-partiers, on Council, will not acknowledge, is that the Greens support the Kyoto Protocols on Glass House Gas emmissions -- they don't go far enough! of course, these protocols (if ratified by Senate) will more than invalidate the putative savings of deregulation, and to whose benefit?... remember, that BP is now the largest dystributor of gasoline in the USA, now, or will be if the merger with Arco is allowed. the way this works is by depressing the price artificially, impovershing those countries that rely on oil-production, and stopping doemstic exploration (and development of other sources, such as fusion, or "cold" fusion). or, just take the recent operation of Eddie George et al to "steal the Bank of England's gold", by promoting a Commonwealth-wide sell-off and "selling cheap", contrary to the stated maxims of the neolib/neocon varieties of religion. thus quoth: Efficient physics has given us the H-bomb and depleted (U-238) bullets. [efficient economics may also feed everybody in India and China, and efficient physics may yet give us cheap solar power; like I said, morally how can you say, Economics is as morally neutral as physics, when physics as a study that was promoted by the state Academies of Science, like the ones created by Leibniz, required the funds of that state treasury?... as Gauss impiled, Physical Economy is the King of the Sciences. of course, it is very easy to dystinguihs between the economics of a Hjalmar Schacht, and that of a John Kennedy; shall we? thank you for questioning the accounting practices of the so-called Republican party! --Dynasty !?! -http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:32:25 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: gernot at xarch Comments: To: gernot@xarch.tu-graz.ac.at MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gernot, Bear Island is just BELOW the one with the red circle! http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/gernot/dymaxionmap/worldzoom04.html Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:34:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: URL UPDATE Comments: To: dwat@ccil.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, My web pages are now located at the URL below \/ (Ref http://www.ccil.org/~dwat/future.html) Thanks, Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ <=========== ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:15:46 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Welcome to the Future Comments: To: Tetworld Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I viewed the video, "Welcome to the Future," produced by the Venus Project, and sent a request for more information on implementing a resource based economy, and the following land bridge which corresponds with the building of a Global Energy Grid: "Building of a land bridge or dam across the Bearing Strait, which would bridge Asia and Europe with the US. This could generate enough power to eliminate much of the suffering and scarcity of the Third World countries." = Posted below is the reply that I received. = Further information on the Venus Project can be obtained at: = World renown futurist - industrial designer, Jacque Fresco's The Venus Project: The Redesign of A Culture. Jacque Fresco has created a comprehensive blueprint for a new and better futuristic society incorporating advanced technology and has been compared to Buckminster Fuller and Paolo Solieri as comprehensive futuristic visionaries. http://= www.nas.com/venus/ RESOURCE-BASED ECONOMY: = http://www.nas.com/venus/txt01.shtml#RB-Econ JACQUE FRESCO BIOGRAPHY: = http://www.nas.com/venus/txt01.shtml#bio Information on the video, Welcome to the Future and other books and videos from the Venus Project: http://www.nas.com/venus/ps.shtml -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Welcome to the Future From: Organization: The Venus Project Building of a Land Bridge: The dam can serve not only as a land bridge, hydro-electric generating station but direct the flow of ocean currents which in turn could modify the climate. The dam would include a step system to permit the migration of fish with spillways and with flood locks we can easily make the necessary adjustments to comply with the natural symbiotic processes required to maintain dynamic equilibrium in the flow of ocean currents. Within the dam a series of tunnels would be used for the transport of goods and passengers without being subject to the weather. Portions of the damn would be used as weather monitoring and ocean surveillance stations. Across this vast land bridge we can locate mariculture stations and fish farms. It will also house pharmaceutical-processing plants and support wind generators for additional power requirements. This is just a brief description of this project but the dam could serve many other useful purposes. This of course would be a joint international venture as part of the common heritage to serve all of the earth=92s inhabitance. Caution: Non of these mega-projects will be started without a comprehensive environmental impact study regarding the possible negative retroaction of each project. Therefor this land bridge and its entire function must be designed in accordance with the maintenance of the natural and necessary allowances for oceanographic equ= ilibrium. Achieving a resource based world economy: We would like to produce a major motion picture, which will hopefully reach many people in the shortest time possible. It is tentatively titled =93And the World Will be One=94. This will show in a story form th= e economic advantages for all nations when science and technology is applied with human concern and cooperation rather than for self centered national gain. This film or series could help people to understand the advantages of common heritage of resources in a world resource based economy. We already have this in a book form that may be published this fall. We also hope to build a theme park, which will present a visual presentation of our proposals and how it will improve the lives of all people everywhere if implemented. It will demonstrate how a resource based economy would raise the standard of living for all people, rather than a selected few, while emphasizing creativity and individuality. It will help clarify how all nations could enjoy the benefits of science and technology without the creation of debt, the need for armament, or territorial disputes. This in turn may help to build an international organization dedicated to the aims of The Venus Project. The funding from the theme park, films, books, publication and donations will help provide the funding for the building of the first experimental city designed to test the validity of The Venus Project=92s proposals. At this time we will also call upon universities and students to voluntarily participate in the project of the redesign of the culture. The survival or the world=92s civilizations depends upon all people to accept the responsibility for our future and the future for generations to come. This would not produce any kind of uniformity or elitism technical or otherwise. In all probability it may take an economic breakdown to awaken people to search for new and workable alternatives to the old and outworn monetary system and it=92s attendant values. It is not up to just us to bring this about, it takes people like yourself to help in anyway that you can. We deeply appreciate the exposure that you have been giving these ideas. We seem to have so much in common. Warm Regards mail@SpaceshipEarth.com wrote: > Dear Jacque and Roxanne: > > Thank you for the book and video. I've watched the video and have > posted below the notes that I took from it so you can see where our > interest correspond. > > Please provide more information on this: > > "Building of a land bridge or dam across the Bearing > Strait, which would bridge Asia and Europe with the US. > This could generate enough power to eliminate much of > the suffering and scarcity of the Third World > countries." > > Converting from a monetary to resource based economic system seems > = to be a very intuitive and not too difficult to implement idea. How > do = you plan on achieving it? > > I'll continue to keep in close contact with you, and I look forward > t= o your participation in the Design Science Exposition and = Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All = Humanity. > > Sincerely, > > mailto:mail@SpaceshipEarth.com > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:18:49 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: gernot stangl Subject: Re: gernot at xarch Comments: To: Joe S Moore In-Reply-To: <000001bef19c$d1f2e020$123cfea9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Joe S Moore wrote: > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:32:25 -0700 > From: Joe S Moore > To: gernot@xarch.tu-graz.ac.at > Cc: _Geodesic > Subject: gernot at xarch > > Gernot, > > Bear Island is just BELOW the one with the red circle! > http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/gernot/dymaxionmap/worldzoom04.html > > Joe S Moore > mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > yikes! it was hard to find a good map of maine here in austria so i used www.mapquest.com (not very precise) and took some hints from an article published in the book "the artifacts of r. b. fuller" - it was more the work of a detective than simply reading a map. i have to admit i was never really sure i had got the right one but i knew i was close to it. what made this island ABOVE bear island so attractive was the presence of a building (above the red circle) and the white dots on the sea surface, which could be boats if you like. the story is more about the zoom sequence and how the images are connected with each other. so from that point it doesn't hurt. perhaps i should change the captions. a list of credits and links to fuller resources (like your website) will follow as well - i owe it to the public. regards, gernot stangl ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:08:42 +0800 Reply-To: qiaoxh@public.sti.ac.cn Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Qiao Xiao Hong Subject: Please open the file. 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physical security, he values detailed knowldge of his subject, his subject ising quite localized. he knows his boundries but not explicity. he knows where not to trodden but he cant put his hand on the fence, his world and boundries are invisible to him as they are to any other person. if he exposed to interdesplinary or difussion of scatered ideas he would immiditely becoms alarmed and try to escape, leave or avoid the subject. he would also look with condescending smirk on the person who indulges in quarrel with himself to coordiante ideas that dont want to order themselves due to difficults of mixing indexes- buzzel. the generalist on the other hand has no disrespect for the specialist, in fact he admires him for his hard work. the specialiset hidding always thinking that he is the norm. occupied he have things to do, he have to keep abreast, he is important, he is presured by responsiblity toward the institution. the institution imprints him with convulsions no one knows the source of, perhaps political necassity that had established the speciality in the first place. to be continued: tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:13:50 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Subscription instructions again please? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could someone please tell me the subscription to the list procedure again (I've forgetten), so I may pass it on.? Thanks, Mark -- Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html Main page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html The Tetworld Story: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html To subscribe to Buckminster Fuller discussion list about global game concept and proposal, or to join the Tetworld Game list or the Belize Development list, go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html and select the desired option. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:05:46 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Subscription instructions again please? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, Scroll down to "Newsletters" at http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/N.htm Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ PS: If you put "mailto:" (without quotes) in front of your email address it will become "hot". Mark Siegmund wrote in message news: <199908301513.IAA18160@pop.thegrid.net>... > Could someone please tell me the subscription to the list procedure again > (I've forgotten), so I may pass it on.? > > Thanks, > Mark > -- > Regards, > Mark Siegmund > email: siegmund@thegrid.net <======== > Tetworld Peace Through Development Project & Game > Introductory Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/world1.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:53:32 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: project reniscance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buckminster Fuller said: 'One of the world-around's most immediately critical problems is that of how to facilitate the swift development of all human individuals' discovery of all we know about human life on board Spaceship Earth at this moment in Universe -- and how so to learn in the shortest possible time.' -- Buckminster Fuller. Critical Path "All average human beings are magnificently endowed with creativity, and mysteriously capable of vastly more than any of us has ever assumed to be possible." -- Buckminster Fuller. Cosmography p. 260 People are at their most mindful when they're at play, their senses are fully engaged, and their physical and mental abilities are at their highest. Having fun is the best way to learn. So let's have fun. Making the world work for the benefit of all humanity requires comprehensive solutions. The Countdown and Exposition should reflect this by creating a comprehensive learning environment. Most people will turn away from complicated subjects presented in a complicated manner. The challenge is to simplify, educate, entertain, attract and hold the attention of a broad spectrum of the general public, and above all to inspire and motivate them to change. Please don't be so rash to judge the Countdown and Design Science Exposition as a business to make money. It's purpose is to unleash an abundance of wealth for all humanity. Sincerely, mailto:mail@SpaceshipEarth.com aagdii@DDS.NL wrote: > > more web pages that keep complicating the subject, > business in the middle to make money. > if you like to be trainer and another confrence for > the mutilated and another confrence for this and that. > accelerated learning is another subject. > i think we should move toward simplification- at least > in communication. > > of course at this moment we dont know how to educate > humanity. how about somthing fun, somthing like the > stupid gue or colour and build houses programs. > musty i dont know if it is musty enough(is musty mean > rusty) from Baldwin book. > i think Baldwin hit it on the nose, he is doing the > project- can we use him as model. > > just more ideas in the fire to see if something new > comes about. > > fun program that teaches without you know it. > rather that more of full thank text. > > tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:08:19 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Welcome to the Future Comments: To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear SS, For further info re the Global Energy Grid see: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/EndEnergyDistribGrid.htm Scroll down to global energy grid http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/Energy.htm Scroll down to the Popular Mechanics article (4-1-94) about the Alaska-Siberia Bridge (an EXCELLENT description!) http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/AboutBFArticles-94.htm Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Spaceship Earth wrote in message news: <37C9E953.9D6BEFDB@SpaceshipEarth.com>... > I viewed the video, "Welcome to the Future," produced by the Venus > Project, and sent a request for more information on implementing a > resource based economy, and the following land bridge which > corresponds with the building of a Global Energy Grid: > > "Building of a land bridge or dam across the Bearing > Strait, which would bridge Asia and Europe with the US. > This could generate enough power to eliminate much of > the suffering and scarcity of the Third World > countries." > (snip) > > Information on the video, Welcome to the Future and other books and > videos from the Venus Project: http://www.nas.com/venus/ps.shtml > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Welcome to the Future > From: > Organization: The Venus Project > > Building of a Land Bridge: > > The dam can serve not only as a land bridge, hydro-electric generating > station but direct the flow of ocean currents which in turn could > modify the climate. The dam would include a step system to permit the > migration of fish with spillways and with flood locks we can easily > make the necessary adjustments to comply with the natural symbiotic > processes required to maintain dynamic equilibrium in the flow of > ocean currents. Within the dam a series of tunnels would be used for > the transport of goods and passengers without being subject to the > weather. Portions of the damn would be used as weather monitoring and > ocean surveillance stations. Across this vast land bridge we can > locate mariculture stations and fish farms. It will also house > pharmaceutical-processing plants and support wind generators for > additional power requirements. This is just a brief > description of this project but the dam could serve many other useful > purposes. This of course would be a joint international venture as > part of the common heritage to serve all of the earth’s inhabitance. > > Caution: Non of these mega-projects will be started without a > comprehensive environmental impact study regarding the possible > negative retroaction of each project. Therefor this land bridge and > its entire function must be designed in accordance with the > maintenance of the natural and necessary allowances for oceanographic equilibrium. > (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:22:38 -0600 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Alaska-Siberia Bridge (Was: Welcome to the Future) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The last time I looked for information on the internet for the Alaska-Siberia "Intercontinental Peace Bridge" I only found brief mention, but that has changed. Check out these links. http://www.popularmechanics.com/popmech/sci/9404STTRAM.html Intercontinental Peace Bridge: http://www.winsell.com/ipbarc.htm = Joining Asia Russia (Siberia) to America (Alaska): = http://www.winsell.com/Bridngestart1.htm Joe S Moore wrote: > = > Dear SS, > = > For further info re the Global Energy Grid see: > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/EndEnergyDistribGrid.htm > = > Scroll down to global energy grid > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Links/Energy.htm > = > Scroll down to the Popular Mechanics article (4-1-94) about the > Alaska-Siberia Bridge (an EXCELLENT description!) > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/AboutBFArticles-94.htm > = > Joe S Moore > mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > = > Spaceship Earth wrote in message news: > <37C9E953.9D6BEFDB@SpaceshipEarth.com>... > = > > I viewed the video, "Welcome to the Future," produced by the Venus > > Project, and sent a request for more information on implementing a > > resource based economy, and the following land bridge which > > corresponds with the building of a Global Energy Grid: > > > > "Building of a land bridge or dam across the Bearing > > Strait, which would bridge Asia and Europe with the US. > > This could generate enough power to eliminate much of > > the suffering and scarcity of the Third World > > countries." > > > (snip) > > > > Information on the video, Welcome to the Future and other books and > > videos from the Venus Project: http://www.nas.com/venus/ps.shtml > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: Welcome to the Future > > From: > > Organization: The Venus Project > > > > Building of a Land Bridge: > > > > The dam can serve not only as a land bridge, hydro-electric generatin= g > > station but direct the flow of ocean currents which in turn could > > modify the climate. The dam would include a step system to permit the= > > migration of fish with spillways and with flood locks we can easily > > make the necessary adjustments to comply with the natural symbiotic > > processes required to maintain dynamic equilibrium in the flow of > > ocean currents. Within the dam a series of tunnels would be used for > > the transport of goods and passengers without being subject to the > > weather. Portions of the damn would be used as weather monitoring and= > > ocean surveillance stations. Across this vast land bridge we can > > locate mariculture stations and fish farms. It will also house > > pharmaceutical-processing plants and support wind generators for > > additional power requirements. This is just a brief > > description of this project but the dam could serve many other useful= > > purposes. This of course would be a joint international venture as > > part of the common heritage to serve all of the earth=92s inhabitance= =2E > > > > Caution: Non of these mega-projects will be started without a > > comprehensive environmental impact study regarding the possible > > negative retroaction of each project. Therefor this land bridge and > > its entire function must be designed in accordance with the > > maintenance of the natural and necessary allowances for oceanographic= > equilibrium. > > > (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:42:57 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: gernot at xarch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gernot, Take a look at the cropped hydrological chart at my site. Bear Island is directly below Great Spruce Head Island in the upper left: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/AboutBFArticles-10s.htm I found the original chart for Penobscot Bay, Maine, USA, at: http://mic6.nos.noaa.gov/mfimages/Charts/13305_1.gif (Warning: Huge file!) For Bear Island refs see: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/B-Biblor.htm (scroll down to "Bear" I love the Zoom Sequence; very nice! Joe S Moore mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ gernot stangl wrote in message news: ... > > yikes! > it was hard to find a good map of Maine > here in Austria so I used > www.mapquest.com (not very precise) and > took some hints from an article > published in the book "the artifacts of > r. b. fuller" - it was more the work of > a detective than simply reading a map. I > have to admit I was never really sure I > had got the right one but I knew I was > close to it. what made this island ABOVE > bear island so attractive was the > presence of a building (above the red > circle) and the white dots on the sea > surface, which could be boats if you > like. > the story is more about the zoom > sequence and how the images are > connected with each other. so from that > point it doesn't hurt. perhaps I should > change the captions. > a list of credits and links to fuller > resources (like your website) will > follow as well - I owe it to the public. > regards, > gernot stangl >