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(Can be in the same message.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (You may want to save this file to forward on to people who are interested, as it tells what the list is about, and how to subscribe and unsubscribe.) Pat _____________________________Think For Yourself______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:48:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: WORLD GAME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, I found another reference to Bucky's original World Game proposal. See _The Artifacts of R Buckminster Fuller, Volume 4_, pages 55-60. Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:33:22 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Global energy distribution MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby Urner wrote: I see GENI as an organization which works to bring about this lowering of voltage pressure (www.geni.org). WORLD GAME was invented in 1967 in Carbondale Illinois. It included the world electric grid and all that GENI has copied from the information from world game. I see the world grid as a world game department of design science and would donate money to world game prior to Geni. This would give the money more bang for it's buck towards informing humanity of the options that is ignored by all power structures today and yesterday, except for hippies and real educators. Global energy distribution is an educational problem and can be solved with rock music pulling the youth into the truth. This is the easiest way in my experience to gather humans together for new world designs. As drugs and violence are seen as no way to make the world work including war, the information revolution will take hold, but not in our life time. SO until then it is best to live as if you are a country your self and do the best you can. > A question for general systems theorists is whether we can > design a "global university" in which students and faculty > (i.e. you and I) > > World game is this design. Medard Gable is the Director. I was with Medard and Bucky when Bucky stated that this is thepurpose to give the information to the world when it is needed and educate them when they ask. I would like to ask GENI to put less competition in there information with world game and allow world game to be the parent non profit that it is. Geni is a coo coo bird in this respect, taking an egg from the parent bird and having the spouse feed it till it gets big enough to kick the other eggs out of the nest. IF Geni would suppose state that it is a department of world game and that all proceeds that go to it would be given equal to world game and bfi I would say yes it is working together, but for it to slave at winning the attention of donations the way it has from world game and the bfi with little concern for paying the bills to world game for the last 100 year celebration world game seminars, I see Geni as an opportunistic Halloween prank. Trick or treat pete. Sea yea! Mickey http://home.earthlink.net/~suntrivity/index.html > Kirby I now have my solar cells and wind mill and am installing them on my boat, I will soon be paying no rent and living with out any electric system except my own. Free ! I went to Catalina Island and lived in Catalina Harbor. It was great, what a place. Now I have lowered my rent 330 dollars by moving my boat to San Pedro from Marina Del Rey where the developers have gone mad and are destroying the place. It is so great to just move away and not have to do what the votes of special interest has in store for others who own houses. IT is so much more comprehensive to live on a boat. Roam home to a boat work hard and hope it will float where the birds fly and dive for fish in the sea roam home to a boat where the developers have no control where they raise your rent and you just pick out and go with your rent who cares what they want they are back at another dock and you can read the newspapers and see how all the land lubbers aren't free. Just return to the sea and the great sun and breeze to make geni electricity with ease. no need to donate, just float and create as you need to please. Roam home to a boat. I still love domes it is the rents and the prices of the laws that others put on you that make no sense to live with. So try a dome boat. I am soon to be solar and wind free. Sea yea! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:51:12 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: WORLD GAME In-Reply-To: <000901bf2499$c1ad0080$123cfea9@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Joe, Mark > From: Joe S Moore > Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's > works" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:48:01 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: WORLD GAME > > Mark, > > I found another reference to Bucky's original World Game proposal. See _The > Artifacts of R Buckminster Fuller, Volume 4_, pages 55-60. > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:13:14 -0800 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: Global energy distribution MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: Global energy distribution is an educational problem and can > be solved with rock music pulling the youth into the truth. This is the easiest > way in my experience to gather humans together for new world designs. Put up your acoustic guitar. Plug in your electric guitar. Get ready to rock Spaceship Earth. We've got a GEG. It's our first step out. We're building a Global Energy Grid. It's time to rock n' roll! No more waiting for GRUNCH. The Revolution begins with the punks. The Global Energy GEG: A Gillion Gigawatts of Punk Rock 'Energy' Is humanities unused potential so great that a 'group' of punks can save the world? Revolutions have always been started by a small 'band' of rebels. They're a real punk band. They can't sing, they can't dance, and they can't play music. They're a bunch of no-count, no-talent losers, with attitude -- and they just crashed your party! Now they're out to take their revolutionary brand of funk on a tour around the world. So, what's the first step out for a punk rock group named 'Energy' that's out to tour the world? The Global Energy GEG: A gillion gigawatts of punk rock Energy! We're taking Energy coast-to-coast. We're taking Energy around the world. We're plugging in everywhere. We're building a Global Energy Grid. We've got a GEG! It's our first step out. 'Energy' is multiethnic group of young people that grew up in the slums, the barrios, and the ghettos. They form a rock band to vent their frustrations, and escape from the poverty they grew up in. They think they can make a difference through their music. In their naive idealism, they think their band can save the world. Buckminster Fuller knew that it'd be left up to the naive, idealistic youth to lead the Design Science Revolution -- but he didn't know they'd be 'this' naive! It's a race between utopia and oblivion. The punk youth of today are the world leaders of tomorrow. It's a revolution in the making! See also: Santa' Production Team and the Building of a Global Energy Grid: The Gift of Abundance is A Dream We Can Achieve That's Even Better Than Santa Clause: http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9901&L=geodesic&P=R1670&m=10306 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:35:15 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Global energy distribution <> Brian Hutchings 02-NOV-1999 7:35 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us true, the media cartels of London and New York will stoop to anything -- and everything in their multicasting. the other day, I heckled a "Latino" punk band, when they started comparing Columbus to Hitler; I got the impression that Atzlan Underground had been so cocooned in the on-campus PC reality, that this had never happenned -- and they had the "geg" (that is, the microphone !-) we must all recall that the so-called British Invasion of the early 'sixties was coincidental with the assassination of JFK, the launch of the Vietnam War, and the take-down of the Space Program -- the ruination of that critical path -- which was a lot like their efforts to *prevent* the USA from becoming something more than a slaveocratic source of cheap cotton etc. now, the classically-trained mentor, insofar as music goes, of the Beatles was some sort of officer for EMI, then being a manufacturer of "high-tech" armaments. to put this on a "nice" note, we just had an attendance of about 200, at Pasadena College, for a classical event, featuring American Negro Spirituals, German Lieder, and Chinese folksong classics, and poetry, with two of the first A.Americans to get into opera, backed by classical Chinese instrumentalists. thus quoth: Get ready to rock Spaceship Earth. --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:48:04 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: RBF SKETCHBOOK TOC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit R Buckminster Fuller Sketchbook Exhibit at University City Science Center, Nov/Dec 1981 Libby Newman, Curator; Suzanne White, Assistant Curator Philadelphia, PA, USA Introduction..........................................................3 Acknowledgments...............................................4 President's Statement........................................5 Pic of BF, Car, Fly's Eye Dome........................6 Explanation...........................................................7 4-D Timelock: Back in the Dark Ages....................8-9 Twin Tower........................................10-1 Tower Garage....................................12-3 Airway Station...................................14-5 Airship Moored to House.................16-7 12-Story Model..................................18-9 Down East............................................20-1 Auto-Airplane....................................22-3 House Details.....................................24-5 4D vs Conventional...........................26-7 Multiple Solutions............................28-9 Time Interval 1 Meter......................30-1 4D Cover (4D Logo)..........................32-3 Dymaxion Flying Fish Logo............................34-5 Dymaxion Car Sketch.......................................36-7 Dymaxion House: Air Inlet Sketch................38-9 Dymaxion Comprehensive Transformation..40-1 Dymaxion, Geodesic Flattened........................42-3 Icosahedron, 31 Great Circle Grid................44-5 Fly's Eye Dome: Six Frequency...................................46-7 Sketch 1............................................48-9 Sketch 2............................................50-1 Detail..................................................52-3 Tensegrity Tet with "Me Ball"......................54-5 Quanta Modules, Orientation........................56-7 Quanta Modules, Neutron & Proton.............58-9 Wave, Quanta, Indigs.......................................60-1 Triangle, Inside Outing...................................62-3 Triangle in Cube...............................................64-5 Pic of RBF's Philadelphia Office...................66 Glossary.............................................................67-8 Bibliography.....................................................69-70 Pic of RBF.........................................................71 Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:43:24 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Domes Help Please Comments: To: david union MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF270D.9F049900" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF270D.9F049900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, I prefer email. Check out my web site--it may have the info you are = looking for. Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: david union=20 To: joemoore@cruzio.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 6:38 PM Subject: Domes Help Please Trying to reach u from Sheffield UK whats your phone number please? or voice chat on yeller? Dave Union (snip phone #) ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF270D.9F049900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave,
 
I prefer email.  Check = out my web=20 site--it may have the info you are looking for.

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The metal map was used on the wall and it was after vision 65 that was in Carbondale when education automation was published in Carbondale by SIU press. Ask Bill perk he will tell you I did not see him there but Ed was there and Medard may have been. Mike Pattera was there and Naomi smith, Dale Klaus. I designed the first world game poster that was printed by dale klaus, it stated HOW ? in big red letters at the top a picture of the earth in the middle of earth the first photo of earth as one picture it was just before Apollo 11 in 69. We had a picture of earth and this was very new then. Under that was the words WORLD GAME in brown, I wanted blue but the girl that colored it wanted an earth color I still think blue would be better. I had a copy but gave it to the BFI last year for the archive. I also traced the first world grid for the slides to be used when he talked of the world electric grid that Pete and GENI has now taken over from world game with out permission that I know of in the start? This is why I think GENI is a little out of bounds not to see that they have taken a big egg from world game and claimed it like a coo coo bird does. It would make bucky a little copy right suit if you ask me. Pete should be very proud that he is not in court over this. That Medard and Allegra do not take heed against him for this. It is needed for the lay man out there in world game land see the fact that it was taken from world game and not his idea as well as the whole info spiel that he uses for money to be given to GENI is taken from bucky and world game and in my mind world game is a better funding spot for bucky bucks. Of course I am a little no body out here on a boat that know one really cares what I think in most cases. I also think that the syn list is also a coo coo bird deal run by a coo coo guy named kirby. I would stay away from these places if better ones come on line. Now they are the only ones that are in the screen view and I hope that others will open the focus to get away from these ego maniacs that take advantage of their tech no new ness and others can speak. I have beeb censored from the syn list by rook and crook so no one will know the truth based on I was spamming a bus company that I had already sold. you should see Kirby come on line and say how he is the great prince of synergy and Pete will hide as usual so he does not have to face the facts. For those that like fuller go to Joe Moore's site and the BFI and WOrld Game site these are the real Fuller vibes the rest is scammers on the way to as the president states boiler room telemarketing to make money and power for their egos. Kirby is openly against the Fuller family and takes the angle that he knows more that they do about Fuller. Which is mind binding bull shit. Pete acts like his GENI is the most important part of Fullers whole life and that you should give him money not world game or the Bfi. This is also mind blowing bull shit. Often many people will go untold these facts and I am the only one that seems to have the impression that these subjects are part of being duty to bucky to point out the interesting influence that these bull shit artists are here. I suppose they will now act as if I never met Fuller which is true with them not me. They never met him and I have a letter at my site that gives me the right to state what I do by R. Buckminster Fuller him self. My best friend and I was called a beloved friend by him. Does any one want to bet about this? I owned his dome home for 27 years and now have given it to Bill Perk for a very considerate price to make a park out of it and make it a historical property as soon as possible. I did not have to do this and could have re bank loaned it. But I cashed in to make my self independent of all power structures by living on a boat with solar cells and wind mill power with a mobil phone I am completely independent of rent and politicians and most the artists as above. I am working on a book and if you are interested in getting a cd of the pictures etc. of my book let me know by e mail. My site is http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html Mark Siegmund wrote: > Thanks Joe, > Mark > > > From: Joe S Moore > > Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's > > works" > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:48:01 -0800 > > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: WORLD GAME > > > > Mark, > > > > I found another reference to Bucky's original World Game proposal. See _The > > Artifacts of R Buckminster Fuller, Volume 4_, pages 55-60. > > > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:19:47 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: WORLD GAME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOrld Game was orignally called comprehensive anticipatorial design science and this turned into WORLD GAME. Mark Siegmund wrote: > Thanks Joe, > Mark > > > From: Joe S Moore > > Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's > > works" > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:48:01 -0800 > > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: WORLD GAME > > > > Mark, > > > > I found another reference to Bucky's original World Game proposal. See _The > > Artifacts of R Buckminster Fuller, Volume 4_, pages 55-60. > > > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 03:12:43 -0800 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: Re: Global energy distribution Comments: To: "Michael S. Mitchell" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Michael: May I suggest that unless you are without sin, that you quit casting stones at others. If we continually accentuate the positive and negate the negative, we'll eventually arrive at Utopia. This negative bickering and infighting keeps us heading toward oblivion. We don't need any help with that. The punk rock band called 'Energy' is pure fiction. The real band exists only in imagination. 'Energy' is a story that could very productively be made into a play, a cartoon, an interactive educational game, a musical film, a short music video, a real rock band with a message, or all of the above. The intention is to provide a multicultural educational experience with a global development perspective. Michael Mitchell has offered 'Energy' the use of his excellent World Man Band tape songs. Now we're ready to rock and roll! Get ready to rock Spaceship Earth! We've got a GEG. It's our first step out. We're building a Global Energy Grid. (For a copy of the World Man Band tape, just send $10, with name and address, to PO Box 1159, Waco, TX 76703) Apparently, like Buckminster Fuller, the World Man Band was a little ahead of its time. More later on how to distribute your tape and your CD-book over the internet. I like your title for your book, "From the Front Row." Or how about, "Front Row Seat." "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: > > I tried to do it with the world man band and I failed. > Maybe they could do it, I am for it, go for it, I failed maybe > they can break through, snip ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:29:40 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Global energy distribution Comments: To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The truth is the truth. I am offering to split any of my copy righted songs with the band as stated. any way who are you to chose for anyone else what is bickering and good sound advice that bucky would agree with in my mind. If you think the world turns on my advice smoke another joint like some of the others here. If you can not make your opinion our right truthful then why have this e mail ability at all? You are the one that is now wanting to rip off my tape as kirby and pete have ripped off fullers family and world game. Go ahead I have a copy right! You must send me a contract before that happens or I have the right to all the money when they get big. Any way I am not making these statements for me I am doing it for bucky so that others do not get so deep in the hands of some of these artists of fame and fortune. I am very impressed with some of the people on the syn list it is just that it is in the hands of a mad man like kirby that makes me barf at it. Just because sonny applewhite wants to get rich off the book and stays friends with him does not make them the get with all around here. Synergetics is a modulation of topological volume exploration and now on the synlist is over specialized in the fact of freeze frame gravity force modeling. This is ok, the fact that all this is volumetrics and that it shows the inter play of points getting fat is not the point of the future of synergetic behavior it is that it is all in precession and no one cares or states this but me. I have been kicked off the list because I keep pounding precession which Kirby claims is just spiraling peel offs. That orbits are not concerning with the truth. This is all vector bull. when you play guitar you are precessing air, when the 92 elements associate on gravity force earth they are precessional states of angle and radii lengths that are determined by precession balance this is all harmonic as to the speed of light as an equal area sweep out of precession inwhich I have discovered and name the conservation of entropy principle in what I call the universal volume of precessional area one radii, which I call unitivity. SO there. This is god. If you tell the truth you may go with it if not you get more entropy simple as that. Karma is a precessional effect of human behavior of nano area sweep out of gravity volume distribution, this is the real energy grid. It is already funded by the way. Thank you for your stab in the back this is what friends are for. Mickey :-) mail@SpaceshipEarth.com wrote: > Dear Michael: > > May I suggest that unless you are without sin, that you quit casting > stones at others. If we continually accentuate the positive and negate > the negative, we'll eventually arrive at Utopia. This negative bickering > and infighting keeps us heading toward oblivion. We don't need any help > with that. > > The punk rock band called 'Energy' is pure fiction. The real band exists > only in imagination. 'Energy' is a story that could very productively be > made into a play, a cartoon, an interactive educational game, a musical > film, a short music video, a real rock band with a message, or all of > the above. The intention is to provide a multicultural educational > experience with a global development perspective. > > Michael Mitchell has offered 'Energy' the use of his excellent World Man > Band tape songs. Now we're ready to rock and roll! > > Get ready to rock Spaceship Earth! > We've got a GEG. > It's our first step out. > We're building a Global Energy Grid. > > (For a copy of the World Man Band tape, just send $10, with name and > address, to PO Box 1159, Waco, TX 76703) > > Apparently, like Buckminster Fuller, the World Man Band was a little > ahead of its time. > > More later on how to distribute your tape and your CD-book over the > internet. I like your title for your book, "From the Front Row." Or how > about, "Front Row Seat." > > "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: > > > > I tried to do it with the world man band and I failed. > > Maybe they could do it, I am for it, go for it, I failed maybe > > they can break through, > > snip ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:46:33 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: TETRASCROLL TOC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ] > > Epilever by Edwin Schlossberg.128 Joe get more on Edwin Schlossberg and you will see thathe is bucky's greatest student! Ed would say I just look into someone's eyes and I can tell... the Kennedy's are so lucky to have him around. Ed remember the time I was so stoned in your class at SIU I could not write and just drew a big picture that said," STONED". That was in 1967 or so. You were good enough not to publish it in good news thanks. My mother would have gotten mad. That was a great publication and prior to world game when you did the second one in new york latter with the real great society around with michael from egypt. IF you are out there say hello if you get a chance? Sorry about John, at least he went with adventure in his heart. To die with adventure is in some ways to die with a smile on your face. I live on a boat and will most likely drown smiling. Sea ya! Mike Mitchell. Your student in 1966 when you were student teacher for Herb Roan of the SIU Design Department in Carbondale Ill. Herb was in the book ideas and integrates when bucky was tap dancing in the picture in the middle of the book where it states. Bucky has a six pence and he is off to buy a yacht. > > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:41:50 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Global energy distribution Comments: To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit by the way mr. space ship I consider anyone even kirby and pete a friend. if anyone tells you the truth even if it is sad and hate it is friendly. the truth is always friendly at heart. To lie and not say anything is the real sin. I do not sin by the way and it is relative precession that makes a true sin heart you. I do not consider anything i have and plan to do a sin. opposite and equal reaction is not a sin, that is anything can happen but if you can not live with it, it is a sin when it takes you over. I am free and fuller has made me free over the years for i learned from him to always tell the truth and be honest and you will have no weaknesses. so this is unitivitiy, to have the universe behind what ever you do as one with it in truth. If you lie and steal and consider that which precess not you as yours it will throw you off balance. So if you sell the tape it is your sin not mine if you want to do that it is your sin, not mine. I spent many years making that tape with Ted Turner the person that I worked with who I inspired to meet Fuller and we made that tape it is 1/2 his as well for the music is his. He played with John Lennon on Imagine and this song that john wrote was inspired by Fuller, imagine. I remember when bucky would get letters in 1968 from John Lennon in the office in carbondale ill. the home of the geodesic dome. By the way Joe Moore I now live in San Pedro ca not Marina Del Rey and in you listing of me on your site please add unitivitist where Marina Del Rey is for I will be moving to Catalina Island for the summer of 2000 the west coast bear lsland. IT is like big sur on the back side of catalina island. Where the land ends life begins. Sea Ya. Mickey http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html Kirby you and pete yel - la! :-) Where are those tetrahedron sucking chickens? #^)+< Pete pay your bills to world game Kirby what do you think now about the bfi - now that they gave the archive to the best in the west. You see gestation rates pay off. You can not be an impatient rebel it never pays. guarding est toilets must smell ? did this make you a little tipsy. Tell me why precession is not a factor in the volumation of the universe now. come on. The last post from syn list is the best you ever spammed over here it must be great to have control of good thinkers thoughts and spam them on other lists. I do not mind you spamming now that the family is out of your lies. You have no beef now for they did the right thing and proved you the fool. SO you learned a lot, or did you? I only want to talk geo volumes now so come on out an play. I wont even say or scream shi_ any more now that the family has proven you to be very over specialized in that regard kid. But of course you are the republican guard of the sonny apple white club, the central isotropic arrogance club right. Mr. Applewhite can you tell me why precession has so little a part of synergetics. Why the idea of the universal volume is not an issue in the books any where? We must live in one volume no matter what else we must agree with. This volume I call the unitivity volume. My word for my new idea. This volume has only precessional volumes in it and makes for all angle and modulatory frequency of volumetric events with radii and length causing area sweep out my new idea of all volumes. All volumes have a radii and must sweep out areas, These areas have symmetric variability to velocity and radii lengths, that make for the mean speed of light. ONe thing that synergetics does is focus the mind on volume topology to evaluate the precessional state of energy in motion. synergetics is 99 percent static volume that does not happen in the universe to a very big degree. The sun does not have any static parts like a tree on it. this means that precession is the dominate factor of energy not the static models of synergetics that is presently conversed about on the synlist. Bucky was very aware of precession and has made it clear to me that this is the for front of the mind development for us to consider to get any where in the future of synergetics. The volumes are in motion not domes. They have radii always as volumes and have a halo of area sweep out that makes this volume. This is the future of synergetic energetic geometry.. Mickey Please do not take all this so seriously it is only infomotion. come on out and play Bonnie.? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 04:14:00 -0800 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Subject: WORLD MAN BAND TAPES FOR SALE Comments: To: "Michael S. Mitchell" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Michael: My mistake! I should have accentuated the positive and negated the negative, by ignoring your ranting criticism of others, and concentrated on the positive aspects of your generous offer to let the Global Energy GEG use the World Man Band tape tunes. As a result of my failure to follow my own advice and accentuate the positive, I must now defend myself from your criticism. Live and learn! You wrote: "You are the one that is now wanting to rip off my tape..." I wouldn't rip off anyone, and I resent the suggestion. You previously sent me an email instructing me to sell copies of the World Man Band Tape for $10 each and split the proceeds with you. Since I was discussing the tape in my last email, I thought I would offer copies of the tape to the list members, as per your instructions. I never asked for any use of your tape. You made the generous offer. You sent me several emails with instructions on how to handle the tape. You did not give may any ownership or copyright to the tape. The copyright clearly belongs to you and I never suggested otherwise. I'm not a businessman, I'm a philosopher at heart, and I'm not trying to go into business with your tape. I think the tape is excellent, we need more tunes like that. The chances of the Global Energy GEG making any money are remote, but it could become a popular gig and hit it big. That's what we want. That's what we need. If so, you'll get just reward for your contribution. But this is not about personal gain, it's about achieving global wealth and success for all humanity. Let's not loose sight of that. I have no other interest. I thought your offer to use your World Man Band tunes for the GEG was a real boost to the project, but your last email put a kink in things. A clear lesson in accentuating the positive and negating the negative! You're a good teacher. I will not criticize your criticism of others again. Personally, I think Peter has done an exemplary job, and that Kirby could have toned it down a bit, just like I think you could. You said that Peter is the best Buckminster Fuller promoter you've ever seen, and you're the one that's seen it all "from the front row." So accentuate that! But who am I to say? Better to remain silent. I don't want to argue with you, I just want peace. Sincerely, Your friend on Spaceship Earth P.S. Glad to see you're still friends with Peter and Kirby! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:35:21 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: WORLD MAN BAND TAPES FOR SALE Comments: To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The most reliable aspect of the new technology is to tell the truth or it fails. If I think Ed ( SOnny Apple white is a bit of a glory hog to stand behind Kirby in the back ground and say get rid of this mitchell guy so we can go on and be the synergetic kings and prince of the Fuller net, then A person that comes from a coal mining town in the middle of no where who took acid and wanted a way out to see the world as large as it had become without any proof from the educational system and runs into the greatest thinker in history and was taught personally by him in the back ground for 16 years while secretly traveling with him for many years till his grandson needed the job, has a right to say what ever he or her thinks. Being a great promoter is just what bucky did not want. Making good thinking and designs is just what he wanted. The world game does not need help from anyone as far as using the ideas and taking money away from it like Pete. Synergetics is a personal exploration that even a red neck soy bean tractor driver like me can do. when people like Kirby with his princeton telemarketing act to become the great educator for the next millennium comes over with the family of Fuller is whacko then he is whackoO. He has insulted the closest people to Fuller and most loved of Fuller. For him to go on as if nothing ever happened and take Fuller's ideas and make it his turf and kick me off for being honest is just the way he has done with Fuller's family. He wants to be top telemarketing site manager of Fuller's most precious ideas, the idea much like GENI has done with out paying for it to the designs that FUller put out himself. These guys are rip off artists in reality and at least they could do is admit it while they do it and give money to the bfi and world game when they get any for doing it. They are using his idea of the MAP, the GRID pictures that I drew in 1967 for the Grid and the Synergetics books for free. They collect money as Pete does and has world games and do not pay for them as contracted to do. Kirby maintains a constant force against the bfi that is hitler like for many years and now he is quiet because Applewhite in the back ground has stated lay low in the bushes. He can not take the truth or he would not have kicked me off the list. I was talking about precession and offered this guy a way to fund his design in passing, this was escalated on Kirby's birthday as a prize for him that day to get rid of me for I was someone that sees him for what he is. A dictator of a very important list that he has abused Fuller's family with and escalated his trust with the public that he knows better than anyone else when he never even met Fuller as close as the front row. Who is he to say that Fuller's designs of the BFI and World game are his business to use his high chair to jump on. I do not mind an opinion but I do mind one that can not take another one that is against the first. I was kicked off because I am the only one with the balls to say it like it is by my own experience with bucky myself which is many many hours and days and weeks and years of kind and greeting, eating, talking, traveling, office hours and designs of personal earnest integrity with him and Anne and the family as a whole from 1965 right after vision 65 in Carbondale. These Johnny come lately's come in after he is dead and act like they run the whole mess. What a joke. I am not bitter, I only point out the he can't take the heat from the truth, Pete can't even come on line here???? He is chicken. Kirby just acts like he is a Beverly hills math king that has to dirty his hands with this red neck. You bet.!!! Precession is the main fact of life not models of static compression and tension. These are states of micro events on a G force planet that is very special. Precession is the way the whole synergy is put together not the Cyber models of volumation ratios to infinity. The difference of ac and dc electricity is just radii and area sweep out of volumes of nano volumes. They do not touch so the only apexes are radii origins that are also ends of other radii origins. The 92 elements are radii volumetric distribution of radii origins at 90 degrees if they are more or less they are entropic or syntropic, this is the syntrivity of all events. They are isotropic, entropic, syntropic, stable, going apart, going together. This is all dependent on the radii length. Relativity is at minimum two but it is syntrivity because a third event must see the two events. All the events being one is unitivity. I see all events as one from syntrivity as a post synergetic system to the fact of relativity. This all falls in place that on earth or where there is slow moving precessional events relatively like the lst 90 elements, then you will have the syntrivity, and multiple precessional elements. The sun only has two. There are no models on the sun which there is more events as suns as planets. This means the norm is precessional in the heart of synergetic geometry, not models. The fact that we are always and only subdividing one master volume the universe itself, or what I call the unitivity volume is a fact of synergetic geometry that no one can prove other wise,. We all live and only see and measure in one volume, this is the unitivity volume. We have a finite awareness that it has one radii. This alone means it is a fact of mathematics. All other events are precessional events of subdivision of this radii of one. This is unitivity being made into syntrivity the resultant of action and reaction of relativity. Infinity then is made by subdivision of the unitivity volume. Multiplication only by division is a principle of mathematics. The fact that all radii sweep out an area is my discovery in viewing these events on the nano level. I am predicting that the radii of earth sweeps out along with the moon the same area as the nano sweep out of all the area swept out by what makes the speed of light micro orbits of all the matter that makes the earth and moon. When the fact of the matter sweeps are equal this is where the meat of the future of science is. Where the planets sweep out the same area in the same time this is where Kepler states is the harmony of the spheres. I am saying this happens at the nano level. Kirby just states that the planets do not sweep out the same area in the same time and pete only wants money. SO that is all I have to say today. Bye Sea ya I have to work on my boat so I can move out to the island before the earth breaks out here. Mickey I do not see the world man band tapes being wanted by anyone. they have not gone anywhere since 87. IF so I will spit it with you. YOu get 1/3 because Ted Turner who was in Wish Bone ASh is our partner as well. He wrote the music and words along with me on all but unite the world and one world. Those are my words alone. I spit everything with him so if you want to take over the mailing and sending and collecting then you may have 1/3 for 3 years and then a new contract will have to be made. deal? This will not be exclusive to you but what ever you can do then it is a deal.. Ted may come back with the beatles and do the tapes and take lennons place. IT would be a great thing if they would do that. He plays just as good and john but does not have the artistic mind that Lennon had. Michael Riversong has the best Lennon song I have ever heard. YOu should order his music to hear it. He is a great musician. Thanks for talking with you. I am not a teacher, a person can only teach themselves.. I am a throw away no body that has some great views of secrets of nature. mail@SpaceshipEarth.com wrote: > Dear Michael: > > My mistake! I should have accentuated the positive and negated the > negative, by ignoring your ranting criticism of others, and concentrated > on the positive aspects of your generous offer to let the Global Energy > GEG use the World Man Band tape tunes. > > As a result of my failure to follow my own advice and accentuate the > positive, I must now defend myself from your criticism. Live and learn! > > You wrote: "You are the one that is now wanting to rip off my tape..." > > I wouldn't rip off anyone, and I resent the suggestion. You previously > sent me an email instructing me to sell copies of the World Man Band > Tape for $10 each and split the proceeds with you. Since I was > discussing the tape in my last email, I thought I would offer copies of > the tape to the list members, as per your instructions. I never asked > for any use of your tape. You made the generous offer. You sent me > several emails with instructions on how to handle the tape. You did not > give may any ownership or copyright to the tape. The copyright clearly > belongs to you and I never suggested otherwise. I'm not a businessman, > I'm a philosopher at heart, and I'm not trying to go into business with > your tape. I think the tape is excellent, we need more tunes like that. > The chances of the Global Energy GEG making any money are remote, but it > could become a popular gig and hit it big. That's what we want. That's > what we need. If so, you'll get just reward for your contribution. But > this is not about personal gain, it's about achieving global wealth and > success for all humanity. Let's not loose > sight of that. I have no other interest. I thought your offer to use > your World Man Band tunes for the GEG was a real boost to the project, > but your last email put a kink in things. A clear lesson in accentuating > the positive and negating the negative! You're a good teacher. > > I will not criticize your criticism of others again. Personally, I think > Peter has done an exemplary job, and that Kirby could have toned it down > a bit, just like I think you could. You said that Peter is the best > Buckminster Fuller promoter you've ever seen, and you're the one that's > seen it all "from the front row." So accentuate that! But who am I > to say? Better to remain silent. I don't want to argue with you, I just > want peace. > > Sincerely, > Your friend on Spaceship Earth > > P.S. Glad to see you're still friends with Peter and Kirby! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:48:33 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: [synergetics-l] re: XYZ and ABC and unitivity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now you see here the person states if you fill a room and Kirby states nothing back to any degree that this will work with the whole universe. Oh! he will say that is obvious. Just like look into the obvious. No it is not. The one volume of the whole universe is the unitivity volume and this volume has not been defined in any of Fullers books. I am doing it now. This volume is the basic unit volume of all possible math problems and has one radii. The unitivity radii. My name. IT is the best name for it as well. Unitivity, relativity, syntrivity, infinity these are the tetrahedral states of all volume. Uni = 1 action Rela = 2 reaction syntri = 3 resultant infini = multiplication by division only. This is the room that is filled the one big room of the universe the unitivity room. The unitivity volume can be named anything else you wish, god, thor, universe it is a fact that it is still the same volume and that is what unitivity is all about accommodating all thought with one volume of experience to unit man under one agreement of volume. The space age mind set for man in one volume of agreement that all other agreements are within. This is fundamental synergetics. All measurements and experimental science is within one great volume that is filled with all other frequency modulations of volumes in precession. Kirby Urner wrote: > Jim: > >Kirby check me out on this: fill a room with vector equilibrium's each > fitting in > >their appropriate positions within the IVM. Connect the centers of the > >tetrahedrons in each VE then make this shape solid. The room is now > filled with > >floating cubes (not touching). Now connect the centers of the octahedrons > and the > >room is filled with floating octahedrons. Apples and oranges? > > Dual fruits of the same IVM tree I'd say. > > These cubes terminate in the tetrahedral holes of an IVM (holes > surrounded by 4 IVM spheres) whereas your octahedra terminate in > the octahedral holes (surrounded by 6 IVM spheres). > > The cubes have a volume of 3, the octahedra 4, relative to a > cuboctahedron of volume 20 (defined by 12 spheres around a > nuclear sphere). Your cubes are described by two inter- > penetrating tetrahedra, each of volume 1. > > The cube and octahedron are duals, meaning the vertices and > faces change places (as to their number), leaving the total > number of edges the same (12). Together, in combination, > these two define the rhombic dodecahedron of volume 6, with > vertices in all the 8+6=14 holes surrounding any IVM sphere. > > See: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/intro.html > > These rhombic dodecahedra fill space. The inscribed unit > radius spheres are tangent at each of the 12 rhombs and > "kiss" (touch one another) through these 12 K-points > (this is terminology I don't think Bucky invented -- not > considered quirky or idiosyncratic). > > Note that the cuboctahedron and rhombic dodecahedron are > also duals, although their edges don't cross in the > concentric hierarchy, since the latter is "shrink wrapped" > around an IVM sphere. The concept of "dual" doesn't > include any notion of relative size -- so they're still > duals. > > If you consider a rhomb (face of the rhombic dodeca) and > the two sphere centers on either side of it (connected > by a rod of length 2, through the K-point), you have the > 6 points of an irregular octahedron (rhomb contributes > 4 points, spheres centers 2). This shape is what Bucky > calls the Coupler and has a volume of 1 (same as IVM > tetrahedron). The Coupler is a space-filler. > > If you slice the Coupler in half (exposing the rhomb), > and slice each half into quarters (cross cross through > the rhomb, long and short diagonals = cuts), you get > MITEs (MInimum TEtrahedra) of volume 1/8 -- another > space filler. Each MITE breaks down into 2As and a B > module. Volume A = Volume B = 1/24. > > See: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/modules.html > > Here's a volume table of the shapes so far described: > > Shape Volume > ----------------------- > A module 1/24 > B module 1/24 > *MITE 1/8 > *Coupler 1 > | Tetrahedron 1 > / Cube 3 > \ Octahedron 4 > /*Rh Dodeca 6 > \ Cuboctahedron 20 > > * = space-filler / = dual pair | = self-dual > \ > > An alternative way to make Couplers is to take a > volume 3 cube and draw edges from a square face to > the body center. Two face-bonded cubes define a > Coupler between them. Cube volume = 3, and 3/6 = > 1/2 (1/6th cube). So again, the Coupler comes out > with volume 1. > > The above toon (scenario) shows that space-filling > rhombic dodecahedra and space-filling cubes both > define the same set of space-filling couplers. > What we're doing in the cube case is using both > sets of tetrahedral holes to define a simple cubic > lattice (= XYZ lattice). The cube face diagonals > are length 2. > > By activating the octahedral holes, you fill half > your space-filling cube centers. These, plus the > IVM spheres already activated (centers of rhombic > dodecahedra) define a body-centered cubic lattice > (bcc) i.e. a simple cubic lattice with centers of > cubes also included. This is equivalent to 4 IVMs. > > See: http://www.inetarena.com/~pd4d/ocn/xtals101.html > > In XYZ, a cube of face diagonal 2 would have edges > of root(2) and a volume of root(2)^3 (root(2) to > the third power). But in synergetics the volume > of this same cube is 3. This is because synergetics > looks at the tetrahedron as a model of 3rd powering > i.e. a growing/shrinking tetrahedron has a volume > that varies as a 3rd power of edge length change. > So 1x1x1 is a modeled by a regular tetrahedron, > in contrast to the traditional/conventional > regular cube. > > So if you want to compute a volume using XYZ methods > and then convert to the corresponding synergetics > volume, you can use the third power of the Synergetics > Constant. This takes a cube of root(2)^3 to 3 i.e. > root(2)^3 * S3 = 3, so S3 = 3/root(2)^3 = root(9/8) > = about 1.06066. > > All of the above is with regard to the 4-fold symmetries > of the IVM lattice. To move to 5-fold, we use the > jitterbug transformation as a conceptual bridge, > going from a cuboctahedron of any frequency (sphere-to > -sphere intervals along an edge or radial = frequency) > to an icosahedron of the same frequency and same outer > shell sphere count (10 ff + 2). The icosa's dual is > the pentagonal dodeca, and the two combine to form a > rhombic triacontahedron, which Bucky shrink-wraps around > the unit radius sphere, just as he does his rhombic > dodecahedron. > > The shrink-wrapped rhombic triacontahedron has a > volume just a hair over 5. If you decrease it's > radius from 1 (= radius of enclosed IVM sphere) > to about 0.9998, you get a rhombic triacontahedron > of precisely 5. By criss-crossing it's surface > rhombs (as we did for the Coupler), we get > tetrahedral modules, 4 per rhomb i.e. 30 x 4 = 120. > If this is the volume 5 rhombic triacontahedron, > the modules are called Ts, and have volume 1/24, > same as As and Bs. If this is a volume 5+ rhombic > triacontahedron, the modules are called Es. > > See: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/tmod.html > > Here's an enchanced volumes table: > > Shape Volume > ----------------------- > A module 1/24 > B module 1/24 > T module 1/24 > E module >1/24 (> = more than) > *MITE 1/8 > *Coupler 1 > Tetrahedron 1 > Cube 3 > Octahedron 4 > Rh Triaconta 5 (120 T mods) > Rh Triaconta >5 (120 E mods) > Rh Dodeca 6 > Pent Dodeca ~15.35 > Icosahedron ~18.50 > Cuboctahedron 20 > > See: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/volumes.html > > Note that approximately none of this information is > currently shared with elementary or high school students > in North America as of 1999, even though all of it has > been available for at least 20 years or more. My USA OS > has been working hard to phase it into the curriculum > for integrally, but of course LAWCAP has been too slow > and/or dull to really take much notice. > > Re USA OS: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/usaos.html > Re USA vs LAWCAP: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/gst2.html > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:14:18 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: GENI Peter Meisen Subject: Re: WORLD MAN BAND TAPES FOR SALE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To whoever is interested: Michael has slandered GENI and me (along with several other Fuller advocates) several times in past messages -- so I have chosen not to participate in any of his communications To set the record straight -- GENI hosted several World Game events during the Bucky Centennial in '95. All costs were paid in full by the end of 1996. Peter Meisen GENI >The most reliable aspect of the new technology is to tell the truth or it >fails. >If I think Ed ( SOnny Apple white is a bit of a glory hog to stand behind >Kirby in the back ground and say get rid of this mitchell guy so we can go >on and be the synergetic kings and prince of the Fuller net, then A person >that >comes from a coal mining town in the middle of no where who took acid and >wanted a way out to see the world as large as it had become without any >proof from the educational system and runs into the greatest thinker in >history and was taught personally by him in the back ground for 16 years >while secretly traveling with him for many years till his grandson needed >the >job, has a right to say what ever he or her thinks. Being a great promoter >is just >what bucky did not want. Making good thinking and designs is just what he >wanted. The world game does not need help from anyone as far as using the >ideas and taking money away from it like Pete. Synergetics is a personal >exploration that >even a red neck soy bean tractor driver like me can do. when people like >Kirby with his princeton telemarketing act to become the great educator for >the >next millennium comes over with the family of Fuller is whacko then he is >whackoO. >He has insulted the closest people to Fuller and most loved of Fuller. >For him to go on as if nothing ever happened and take Fuller's ideas and >make >it his turf and kick me off for being honest is just the way he has done >with >Fuller's family. He wants to be top telemarketing site manager of Fuller's >most >precious ideas, the idea much like GENI has done with out paying for it to >the >designs that FUller put out himself. These guys are rip off artists in >reality and at least >they could do is admit it while they do it and give money to the bfi and >world game >when they get any for doing it. They are using his idea of the MAP, the >GRID >pictures that I drew in 1967 for the Grid and the Synergetics books for >free. >They collect money as Pete does and has world games and do not pay for them >as >contracted to do. Kirby maintains a constant force against the bfi that is >hitler like >for many years and now he is quiet because Applewhite in the back ground has >stated >lay low in the bushes. He can not take the truth or he would not have >kicked me off >the list. I was talking about precession and offered this guy a way to fund >his design >in passing, this was escalated on Kirby's birthday as a prize for him that >day to get >rid of me for I was someone that sees him for what he is. A dictator of a >very >important list that he has abused Fuller's family with and escalated his >trust with the >public that he knows better than anyone else when he never even met Fuller >as close >as the front row. Who is he to say that Fuller's designs of the BFI and >World game >are his business to use his high chair to jump on. I do not mind an opinion >but >I do mind one that can not take another one that is against the first. I was >kicked >off because I am the only one with the balls to say it like it is by my own >experience with bucky myself which is many many hours and days and weeks >and years of kind and greeting, eating, talking, traveling, office hours and >designs >of personal earnest integrity with him and Anne and the family as a whole >from >1965 right after vision 65 in Carbondale. These Johnny come lately's come >in >after he is dead and act like they run the whole mess. What a joke. >I am not bitter, I only point out the he can't take the heat from the truth, > >Pete can't even come on line here???? He is chicken. >Kirby just acts like he is a Beverly hills math king that has to dirty his >hands >with this red neck. You bet.!!! Precession is the main fact of life not >models of >static compression and tension. These are states of micro events on a G >force planet >that is very special. Precession is the way the whole synergy is put >together not >the Cyber models of volumation ratios to infinity. >The difference of ac and dc electricity is just radii and area sweep out >of volumes of nano volumes. They do not touch so the only apexes are radii >origins that are also ends of other radii origins. The 92 elements are >radii >volumetric distribution of radii origins at 90 degrees if they are more or >less >they are entropic or syntropic, this is the syntrivity of all events. >They are isotropic, entropic, syntropic, stable, going apart, going >together. >This is all dependent on the radii length. >Relativity is at minimum two but it is syntrivity because a third event must > >see the two events. All the events being one is unitivity. >I see all events as one from syntrivity as a post synergetic system to the >fact >of relativity. >This all falls in place that on earth or where there is slow moving >precessional >events relatively like the lst 90 elements, then you will have the >syntrivity, and >multiple precessional elements. The sun only has two. There are no models >on the >sun which there is more events as suns as planets. This means the norm is >precessional >in the heart of synergetic geometry, not models. >The fact that we are always and only subdividing one master volume the >universe itself, or what I call the unitivity volume is a fact of synergetic > >geometry that no one can prove other wise,. We all live and only see and >measure in one volume, this is the unitivity volume. >We have a finite awareness that it has one radii. This alone means it >is a fact of mathematics. >All other events are precessional events of subdivision of this radii of >one. >This is unitivity being made into syntrivity the resultant of action and >reaction >of relativity. Infinity then is made by subdivision of the unitivity >volume. >Multiplication only by division is a principle of mathematics. >The fact that all radii sweep out an area is my discovery in viewing these >events on the nano level. I am predicting that the radii of earth sweeps out > >along with the moon the same area as the nano sweep out of all the >area swept out by what makes the speed of light micro >orbits of all the matter that makes the earth and moon. >When the fact of the matter sweeps are equal this is where the >meat of the future of science is. Where the planets sweep out the same >area in the same time this is where Kepler states is the harmony of the >spheres. I am saying this happens at the nano level. >Kirby just states that the planets do not sweep out the same >area in the same time and pete only wants money. >SO that is all I have to say today. Bye >Sea ya I have to work on my boat so I can move out to the island >before the earth breaks out here. >Mickey >I do not see the world man band tapes being wanted by anyone. >they have not gone anywhere since 87. >IF so I will spit it with you. YOu get 1/3 because Ted Turner >who was in Wish Bone ASh is our partner as well. He wrote the >music and words along with me on all but unite the world and >one world. Those are my words alone. I spit everything with >him so if you want to take over the mailing and sending and >collecting then you may have 1/3 for 3 years and then a new contract >will have to be made. deal? This will not be exclusive to you but what ever >you can do then it is a deal.. Ted may come back with the beatles >and do the tapes and take lennons place. IT would be a great thing >if they would do that. He plays just as good and john but does not have >the artistic mind that Lennon had. Michael Riversong has the best Lennon >song I have ever heard. YOu should order his music to hear it. >He is a great musician. >Thanks for talking with you. >I am not a teacher, a person can only teach themselves.. >I am a throw away no body that has some great views of secrets >of nature. > >mail@SpaceshipEarth.com wrote: > >> Dear Michael: >> >> My mistake! I should have accentuated the positive and negated the >> negative, by ignoring your ranting criticism of others, and concentrated >> on the positive aspects of your generous offer to let the Global Energy >> GEG use the World Man Band tape tunes. >> >> As a result of my failure to follow my own advice and accentuate the >> positive, I must now defend myself from your criticism. Live and learn! >> >> You wrote: "You are the one that is now wanting to rip off my tape..." >> >> I wouldn't rip off anyone, and I resent the suggestion. You previously >> sent me an email instructing me to sell copies of the World Man Band >> Tape for $10 each and split the proceeds with you. Since I was >> discussing the tape in my last email, I thought I would offer copies of >> the tape to the list members, as per your instructions. I never asked >> for any use of your tape. You made the generous offer. You sent me >> several emails with instructions on how to handle the tape. You did not >> give may any ownership or copyright to the tape. The copyright clearly >> belongs to you and I never suggested otherwise. I'm not a businessman, >> I'm a philosopher at heart, and I'm not trying to go into business with >> your tape. I think the tape is excellent, we need more tunes like that. >> The chances of the Global Energy GEG making any money are remote, but it >> could become a popular gig and hit it big. That's what we want. That's >> what we need. If so, you'll get just reward for your contribution. But >> this is not about personal gain, it's about achieving global wealth and >> success for all humanity. Let's not loose >> sight of that. I have no other interest. I thought your offer to use >> your World Man Band tunes for the GEG was a real boost to the project, >> but your last email put a kink in things. A clear lesson in accentuating >> the positive and negating the negative! You're a good teacher. >> >> I will not criticize your criticism of others again. Personally, I think >> Peter has done an exemplary job, and that Kirby could have toned it down >> a bit, just like I think you could. You said that Peter is the best >> Buckminster Fuller promoter you've ever seen, and you're the one that's >> seen it all "from the front row." So accentuate that! But who am I >> to say? Better to remain silent. I don't want to argue with you, I just >> want peace. >> >> Sincerely, >> Your friend on Spaceship Earth >> >> P.S. Glad to see you're still friends with Peter and Kirby! GLOBAL ENERGY NETWORK INSTITUTE Peter Meisen P.O. Box 81565 San Diego, CA 92138 PHONE: (619) 595-0139 FAX: (619) 595-0403 Visit the GENI World Wide Web Home Page: http://www.geni.org/ Email: Internet: peter@geni.org Compuserve: petermeisen@compuserve.com GENI is a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation conducting education and research into the interconnection of renewable energy resources around the world. This was proposed as the highest priority objective from the World Game of 20th century visionary, Dr. R Buckminster Fuller. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:17:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: EXPO 67 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 360 degree view of Expo'67 dome from INSIDE! http://www.horizon.vuurwerk.nl/deschamps1.html Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:28:38 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: VIDEO CLIP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For a 3.5 minute color Real Video clip of "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud" see: http://moon.jrn.columbia.edu/NMW/1997/students/jhm35/public_html/dupont/1997 /bucky.html Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:32:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: WORLD MAN BAND TAPES FOR SALE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Altaras wrote: Please do not leave buy some world man band tapes first from space ship earth. God bless you ! Mickey ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:21:50 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: WORLD MAN BAND TAPES FOR SALE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to the world game books you still owe money. Slander is to not tell the truth. World Game is the design that the world electric system was derived with bucky's map. Do you agree? You have taken this idea and made a lot of money from it. Yes? This is the truth and it is not slandering therefor. one who utters false or untrue statements is a slanderer. I have documents to prove that you did not pay your bill to world game for both seminars. Namely a letter claiming so from the director. This was written well after 1996! Your me, me, me attitude and the fact that communication is the highest priority not the electric system in bucky's own written words shows that I do not slander I make certain your actions are accounted for. your high pressure tactics to upstage the bfi and the world game with a small department of world game that you have copied in your Jim Jones style of high priest to Fuller makes for a cheap shot to make money. Your using my print picture of bucky with a space station in your adds show that you charge ahead and use every bit of self enhancement that you and muster to get donations. You are a very selfish individual and your talent to promote and con can be used in a good way. I hope that you can share more of your spot light with the world game whom you have ripped off the idea from and take many donations from and act as if Medard works for you and not that you have taken the idea from him and bucky without any real permission from prior acceptance, only bolder dashing into something that is already been around for many years. You are basically taking an idea of bucky's and cashing in on it to get rich. Most of the money goes to you and your quest for more. Please post the budget and show us what happen to the money. How much did you get and spend on travel as well? I know you will not come out and make this public because it will show you cut short your payment to world game. I know this. You had many meetings for Geni on my boat and I know how it works. The enigma of your budget shows in your over projection of importance as if GENI is the most important project of all of bucky's life. This is to slander bucky in real, for his most important project was to save humanity and to communicate this to the world. World game includes his map that you use as if it were yours. My point is not to bring down your soul, but to put the white Fuller heat to your feet and let you become more humbled to the fact that you and your fund raiser designs are using a small part of Fullers already grand design of world game that you tend to act is not as good a place to put your donations as you are. This is slanderous in my mind to bucky himself. I am willing to go to court to show this and I have enough facts to prove my points are so. You have not one leg to stand on. It is true that you are a hard sell to funding and that you did not invent your goals they are copied. You are like a coo coo bird in this respect and that is a fact not slandering. A coo coo bird takes anothers eggs and plants his own and takes over the nest and food that is brought to the nest as would be money donated to world game will surely go to Geni if they have not heard of world game or the bfi. You wanted Tony Huston to make a pitch of you to film and bring out while using the big map of world games, to promote your fund raising with there map and say GENI is more important. This is not true as well. SO IF YOU WANT TO STATE I SLANDER YOU THEN COME ON AN SUE ME! I am in the same state. IF you lose you pay my legal fees. As far as others that I have slandered, you must prove that it is not the truth to be slandering, only your friends like Kirby which you must fight back to back with to defend what i see as a farce. Neither of you ever met Fuller or worked with him enough to cook a burger. Kirby hates Fuller's family because it takes power from his intellectual kingdom on line, and he could not run the office the way he wanted it, just as Bonnie and family all got hot under the collar about. This has happened with many people over the years way before you all came along. The family runs it and that is the way bucky made it. Medard runs world game and that is the way bucky made that. You are spin offs of power ego plays, just keep your cool and remember that always some one knows just where your at. ME> It is a free communication design here so let me have your side of it then. I am not here to attack you and Kirby only your designs inwhich you have made artifacts of the out side world and to let others participate in the big view of things and events. It is ok to work for what you do just make it clear that you are given the right to do this by Medard and Allegra not they work for you as you put across. Kirby has had to eat crow now that the bfi has given and sold to stanford the archive and he has only to say he is sorry to be clean with me to the family. He will not do this nor will you for being so greedy about your fund raising methods. It is something that everyone talks about after you walk out of the room. My main beef is you leave bucky, the bfi, and world game out of the picture to much and you horde money from them. As Tony Huston states, " I can not spend my whole life making Pete rich." Even your best comrades see you as you are. A Fuller Jim Jones fund raiser! You can take the arrow out of your heart now pete. I will be friends if you want just take it from me do not tread on the world game and the bfi like you have in the past. You owe them all!!!! Act like it. You can go hide again now. Just say you will do better and I will leave you alone... If Kirby will say he is sorry publicly to the fuller family I will leave him alone.. Other wise I am here till I die to make my point. Thank you for your time to all and the truth is all I ask and pray. My soul lies with bucky fuller and with that i speak. I drew the first world grid in Carbondale at the Ira Parrish building with Michael Paterra. GENI Peter Meisen wrote: > To whoever is interested: > Michael has slandered GENI and me (along with several other Fuller > advocates) several times in past messages -- so I have chosen not to > participate in any of his communications > > To set the record straight -- GENI hosted several World Game events during > the Bucky Centennial in '95. All costs were paid in full by the end of > 1996. > Peter Meisen > GENI > > >The most reliable aspect of the new technology is to tell the truth or it > >fails. > >If I think Ed ( SOnny Apple white is a bit of a glory hog to stand behind > >Kirby in the back ground and say get rid of this mitchell guy so we can go > >on and be the synergetic kings and prince of the Fuller net, then A person > >that > >comes from a coal mining town in the middle of no where who took acid and > >wanted a way out to see the world as large as it had become without any > >proof from the educational system and runs into the greatest thinker in > >history and was taught personally by him in the back ground for 16 years > >while secretly traveling with him for many years till his grandson needed > >the > >job, has a right to say what ever he or her thinks. Being a great promoter > >is just > >what bucky did not want. Making good thinking and designs is just what he > >wanted. The world game does not need help from anyone as far as using the > >ideas and taking money away from it like Pete. Synergetics is a personal > >exploration that > >even a red neck soy bean tractor driver like me can do. when people like > >Kirby with his princeton telemarketing act to become the great educator for > >the > >next millennium comes over with the family of Fuller is whacko then he is > >whackoO. > >He has insulted the closest people to Fuller and most loved of Fuller. > >For him to go on as if nothing ever happened and take Fuller's ideas and > >make > >it his turf and kick me off for being honest is just the way he has done > >with > >Fuller's family. He wants to be top telemarketing site manager of Fuller's > >most > >precious ideas, the idea much like GENI has done with out paying for it to > >the > >designs that FUller put out himself. These guys are rip off artists in > >reality and at least > >they could do is admit it while they do it and give money to the bfi and > >world game > >when they get any for doing it. They are using his idea of the MAP, the > >GRID > >pictures that I drew in 1967 for the Grid and the Synergetics books for > >free. > >They collect money as Pete does and has world games and do not pay for them > >as > >contracted to do. Kirby maintains a constant force against the bfi that is > >hitler like > >for many years and now he is quiet because Applewhite in the back ground has > >stated > >lay low in the bushes. He can not take the truth or he would not have > >kicked me off > >the list. I was talking about precession and offered this guy a way to fund > >his design > >in passing, this was escalated on Kirby's birthday as a prize for him that > >day to get > >rid of me for I was someone that sees him for what he is. A dictator of a > >very > >important list that he has abused Fuller's family with and escalated his > >trust with the > >public that he knows better than anyone else when he never even met Fuller > >as close > >as the front row. Who is he to say that Fuller's designs of the BFI and > >World game > >are his business to use his high chair to jump on. I do not mind an opinion > >but > >I do mind one that can not take another one that is against the first. I was > >kicked > >off because I am the only one with the balls to say it like it is by my own > >experience with bucky myself which is many many hours and days and weeks > >and years of kind and greeting, eating, talking, traveling, office hours and > >designs > >of personal earnest integrity with him and Anne and the family as a whole > >from > >1965 right after vision 65 in Carbondale. These Johnny come lately's come > >in > >after he is dead and act like they run the whole mess. What a joke. > >I am not bitter, I only point out the he can't take the heat from the truth, > > > >Pete can't even come on line here???? He is chicken. > >Kirby just acts like he is a Beverly hills math king that has to dirty his > >hands > >with this red neck. You bet.!!! Precession is the main fact of life not > >models of > >static compression and tension. These are states of micro events on a G > >force planet > >that is very special. Precession is the way the whole synergy is put > >together not > >the Cyber models of volumation ratios to infinity. > >The difference of ac and dc electricity is just radii and area sweep out > >of volumes of nano volumes. They do not touch so the only apexes are radii > >origins that are also ends of other radii origins. The 92 elements are > >radii > >volumetric distribution of radii origins at 90 degrees if they are more or > >less > >they are entropic or syntropic, this is the syntrivity of all events. > >They are isotropic, entropic, syntropic, stable, going apart, going > >together. > >This is all dependent on the radii length. > >Relativity is at minimum two but it is syntrivity because a third event must > > > >see the two events. All the events being one is unitivity. > >I see all events as one from syntrivity as a post synergetic system to the > >fact > >of relativity. > >This all falls in place that on earth or where there is slow moving > >precessional > >events relatively like the lst 90 elements, then you will have the > >syntrivity, and > >multiple precessional elements. The sun only has two. There are no models > >on the > >sun which there is more events as suns as planets. This means the norm is > >precessional > >in the heart of synergetic geometry, not models. > >The fact that we are always and only subdividing one master volume the > >universe itself, or what I call the unitivity volume is a fact of synergetic > > > >geometry that no one can prove other wise,. We all live and only see and > >measure in one volume, this is the unitivity volume. > >We have a finite awareness that it has one radii. This alone means it > >is a fact of mathematics. > >All other events are precessional events of subdivision of this radii of > >one. > >This is unitivity being made into syntrivity the resultant of action and > >reaction > >of relativity. Infinity then is made by subdivision of the unitivity > >volume. > >Multiplication only by division is a principle of mathematics. > >The fact that all radii sweep out an area is my discovery in viewing these > >events on the nano level. I am predicting that the radii of earth sweeps out > > > >along with the moon the same area as the nano sweep out of all the > >area swept out by what makes the speed of light micro > >orbits of all the matter that makes the earth and moon. > >When the fact of the matter sweeps are equal this is where the > >meat of the future of science is. Where the planets sweep out the same > >area in the same time this is where Kepler states is the harmony of the > >spheres. I am saying this happens at the nano level. > >Kirby just states that the planets do not sweep out the same > >area in the same time and pete only wants money. > >SO that is all I have to say today. Bye > >Sea ya I have to work on my boat so I can move out to the island > >before the earth breaks out here. > >Mickey > >I do not see the world man band tapes being wanted by anyone. > >they have not gone anywhere since 87. > >IF so I will spit it with you. YOu get 1/3 because Ted Turner > >who was in Wish Bone ASh is our partner as well. He wrote the > >music and words along with me on all but unite the world and > >one world. Those are my words alone. I spit everything with > >him so if you want to take over the mailing and sending and > >collecting then you may have 1/3 for 3 years and then a new contract > >will have to be made. deal? This will not be exclusive to you but what ever > >you can do then it is a deal.. Ted may come back with the beatles > >and do the tapes and take lennons place. IT would be a great thing > >if they would do that. He plays just as good and john but does not have > >the artistic mind that Lennon had. Michael Riversong has the best Lennon > >song I have ever heard. YOu should order his music to hear it. > >He is a great musician. > >Thanks for talking with you. > >I am not a teacher, a person can only teach themselves.. > >I am a throw away no body that has some great views of secrets > >of nature. > > > >mail@SpaceshipEarth.com wrote: > > > >> Dear Michael: > >> > >> My mistake! I should have accentuated the positive and negated the > >> negative, by ignoring your ranting criticism of others, and concentrated > >> on the positive aspects of your generous offer to let the Global Energy > >> GEG use the World Man Band tape tunes. > >> > >> As a result of my failure to follow my own advice and accentuate the > >> positive, I must now defend myself from your criticism. Live and learn! > >> > >> You wrote: "You are the one that is now wanting to rip off my tape..." > >> > >> I wouldn't rip off anyone, and I resent the suggestion. You previously > >> sent me an email instructing me to sell copies of the World Man Band > >> Tape for $10 each and split the proceeds with you. Since I was > >> discussing the tape in my last email, I thought I would offer copies of > >> the tape to the list members, as per your instructions. I never asked > >> for any use of your tape. You made the generous offer. You sent me > >> several emails with instructions on how to handle the tape. You did not > >> give may any ownership or copyright to the tape. The copyright clearly > >> belongs to you and I never suggested otherwise. I'm not a businessman, > >> I'm a philosopher at heart, and I'm not trying to go into business with > >> your tape. I think the tape is excellent, we need more tunes like that. > >> The chances of the Global Energy GEG making any money are remote, but it > >> could become a popular gig and hit it big. That's what we want. That's > >> what we need. If so, you'll get just reward for your contribution. But > >> this is not about personal gain, it's about achieving global wealth and > >> success for all humanity. Let's not loose > >> sight of that. I have no other interest. I thought your offer to use > >> your World Man Band tunes for the GEG was a real boost to the project, > >> but your last email put a kink in things. A clear lesson in accentuating > >> the positive and negating the negative! You're a good teacher. > >> > >> I will not criticize your criticism of others again. Personally, I think > >> Peter has done an exemplary job, and that Kirby could have toned it down > >> a bit, just like I think you could. You said that Peter is the best > >> Buckminster Fuller promoter you've ever seen, and you're the one that's > >> seen it all "from the front row." So accentuate that! But who am I > >> to say? Better to remain silent. I don't want to argue with you, I just > >> want peace. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> Your friend on Spaceship Earth > >> > >> P.S. Glad to see you're still friends with Peter and Kirby! > > GLOBAL ENERGY NETWORK INSTITUTE > Peter Meisen > P.O. Box 81565 > San Diego, CA 92138 > > PHONE: (619) 595-0139 > FAX: (619) 595-0403 > > Visit the GENI World Wide Web Home Page: > http://www.geni.org/ > Email: Internet: peter@geni.org > Compuserve: petermeisen@compuserve.com > > GENI is a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation conducting education > and research into the interconnection of renewable energy resources around > the world. This was proposed as the highest priority objective from the > World Game of 20th century visionary, Dr. R Buckminster Fuller. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:28:58 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Hollywood Comments: To: charles prickett MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was just and idea, I have tons of tools. check out the GEO LIST List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's work I am fighting with some of the biggest people in the fuller field for bucky in my mind for some of them need to be tuned up to be around and have the weight they throw. There is a complete archive that I have been communicating on for a year or so. Check it out and maybe help and maybe you can help me fight them for bucky. charles prickett wrote: > Dear Mike, > Thanks for the messages. Susan is going to Florida tomorrow, so we won't > be going with you to Hollywood. We will be coming to the L.A. area > sometime in the not too distant future, and we will get together. > I would be glad to help you with your boat. If I can bring any tools or > supplies, let me know. > Charlie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:35:20 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Tetworld Center Advisory Committee Comments: To: synergetics-l Comments: cc: Tetglobal list , Tetworld , Yasuhiko , Joe S Moore Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! The Tetworld Center for Peace and Global Gaming is pleased to introduce to you, the members of its newly formed Global Advisory Committee-- Global Advisory Committee Members Magda Alice Daly Yasuhiko Kimura Michelle LeSeur Vasant Merchant Joe S. Moore Mark Siegmund Roger Smith Don Tilley Ernesto Velarde These members and the others who accept an invitation to join the committee over the coming weeks and months, will have the opportunity and responsibility for guiding Tetworld towards its goal of "Making the World Work for Everyone--100% of Humanity". Peace through Development. As you may know, Tetworld is a computer and internet based (virtual) effort, which we believe, by definition, provides the global means and opportunity for people anywhere on Earth to join together and work with others via the internet, in a common interest and truly global effort to bring Buckminster Fuller's original concept for a strategic global game into a living reality. Internal communications at Tetworld are currently by way of 2 listbot lists (or discussion groups), i.e., tetworld lisbot which is for general discussion of Bucky's concept(s), and, tetglobal listbot which is for work on, and discussion about, the Tetworld game. A third listbot will be added shortly, for communications between members of the advisory committee. You are cordially invited to visit and review the Tetworld Peace Through Development Project, and the new Tetworld GlobalGame Complex... -- Thanks, and, Regards, Mark Siegmund email: siegmund@thegrid.net Tetworld Center for Peace and Global Gaming Visit the Main Introductory Page, at: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm Visit the Tetworld Gaming Complex at: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/center.html Tetworld Systems and Gaming page at: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html Tetworld Center Global Advisory Committee, at: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/advisory.html Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:23:32 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Tetworld Center Advisory Committee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How does this differ from World Game? What map do you use? Pete, I as soon as I install my 4 solar cells and wind mill will use no fossil fuels unless I move my boat with the motors. This means that with around 1500 dollars I have become a member of the world grid without any donations from anyone and without waiting for anyone to vote it in to do this in the future. So why is this not a better design for world electric solutions. IF I put a sail on my boat I will be total solar powered. I use one gallon a mile if I move the boat. This is not very often being that it is 12 tons I prefer to stay in one place and sail with a smaller boat or drive ride my bike for health. This solves the tetworld and electric grid problem for me, I think that if we solve these problems alone we have the best design now in our life time. For you to ask money to do this in the future is not fair to the people alive today. The best design is to do it now. I can use a battery powered dingy motor to fish by and row to and from where i need to go. This makes for exercise and solves my health problems. i must use the telephone for the internet as of now but will soon go solar on this with a mobil phone powered by the sun. I will have no rent because I will move to where I can live on the hook as they say in boating or by anchor. I leave the land alone and do not disturb it at all. The animals the birds do not have to become hangers on to the tables around in and out burger with me. SO this is my personal solution. I do not need bills for power, votes to stop traffic and over population for where I go no one is there most the time. since 3/4 of the world is water this is available to all people for two years electic bills in many instances. Why do I need to help Geni if I can do this and become one of the persons that Geni can not help even if Geni does take Bucky's idea and makes it work with donations..? I do not need GENI. I do not need Tet world. I am for world game because it is the origin of your copy cat ideas. I do feel that world game is worth while to convince the United Nations and the rest of the world to make management of the planet more comprehensive to help the individual wealth of all humans. As long as you do copy bucky's ideas then you should at least make foot notes that you are doing this with a big foot, like a boot note. Knee high. Maybe even fishing boots to your shoulders like for fly fishing. Or an Oneal surf suit or a hard hat even. That is to say why are you trying to butt into something that is already being done and take away from Fuller his own designs,. You are in my mind copy cat rip offs. It takes all kinds so go ahead embarrass yourselves. At least Space ship earth had the idea of a Disneyland for world game now this is a different idea, you guys just copy word for word. I am a unitivitist this is my own word for my own idea to make one of all experiences in the most economical way. Science is to put in order in the most economical way experience. Unitific method goes one step farther and states to make it one with all other experiences,. This means all unification into one management plan always. This is new. I am not copying anyone. Syntrivity means three events coming together like a triangle or a tree or a crack in the walk, or me you and the universe, or the screen me and the universe, or three events that are a result of relativity. Relativity is at minimum two i did not think of this, A E. did. SO at least I am trying not to copy bucky I try to add and make new angles of ideas and invent, I could have said to bucky in 1967 hey lets call the world game, tet world after you idea of the tetrahedron or lets take your idea of the electric system after all I drew it first for you I can call it GENI and it is mine and I will get people to give me money for this. HE would have kicked me out of his office in total repulsion because you guys have a lot of nerve to just plain rip off the greatest ideas of this humble man that cared for humanity as much and has done so much for the plans and future of humanity. YOu should be ashamed of your selves I think. What ever. I am just one person that will be using less electricity than you guys and riding my bike and telling everyone how your ideas are really a big rip off to the greatest man ever in the human race. The first world man, R. Buckminster Fuller. You guys are a different specie if you ask me you are dark age darwin dogs that have no integrity in my mind. You will blow away in the wind of time as the copy cat Fuller freaks that had nothing of your own to say. Sea Ya! Mickey. Mark Siegmund wrote: > Greetings! > > The Tetworld Center for Peace and Global Gaming is pleased to introduce to > you, the members of its newly formed Global Advisory Committee-- > > Global Advisory Committee Members > > Magda Alice Daly > Yasuhiko Kimura > Michelle LeSeur > Vasant Merchant > Joe S. Moore > Mark Siegmund > Roger Smith > Don Tilley > Ernesto Velarde > > These members and the others who accept an invitation to join the committee > over the coming weeks and months, will have the opportunity and > responsibility for guiding Tetworld towards its goal of "Making the World > Work for Everyone--100% of Humanity". Peace through Development. > > As you may know, Tetworld is a computer and internet based (virtual) effort, > which we believe, by definition, provides the global means and opportunity > for people anywhere on Earth to join together and work with others via the > internet, in a common interest and truly global effort to bring Buckminster > Fuller's original concept for a strategic global game into a living reality. > > Internal communications at Tetworld are currently by way of 2 listbot lists > (or discussion groups), i.e., tetworld lisbot which is for general > discussion of Bucky's concept(s), and, tetglobal listbot which is for work > on, and discussion about, the Tetworld game. > > A third listbot will be added shortly, for communications between members of > the advisory committee. > > You are cordially invited to visit and review the Tetworld Peace Through > Development Project, and the new Tetworld GlobalGame Complex... > -- > Thanks, and, > Regards, > Mark Siegmund > email: siegmund@thegrid.net > Tetworld Center for Peace and Global Gaming > Visit the Main Introductory Page, at: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.htm > Visit the Tetworld Gaming Complex at: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/center.html > Tetworld Systems and Gaming page at: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html > Tetworld Center Global Advisory Committee, at: > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/advisory.html > Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) > http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:28:44 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: worldvoid (was: Re: Tetworld Center Advisory Committee) <> Brian Hutchings 10-NOV-1999 20:28 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us syntryvyty is like the 3 walnut shells -- guess again! we don'need no worldgrid -- we just need about 6-billion more boatslips; which will be doable, once the tide goes out to the continental shelfline! --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:26:25 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: worldvoid (was: Re: Tetworld Center Advisory Committee) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One great point that I must make is: We will all be extinct soon anyway one way or another as individuals or as a specie. Bucky was a new specie, my point in blasting out of the water tet world, synergetic-l, little L with little KU very appropriate, and Geni or get every niche of income for pete, I must share with you that If you have to do these stupid acts of intelligence have pride that at least you are copy cats, the greatest copy cats in the world so have pride that at least you have the ability to cheat with greatness. I would like to make in time and space an agreement that in the end of world games success it will still only mean that a truthful smile will be on the face of humanity. Happiness and a great Fuller grin is the result as we all go into stardust dirt we stand on, and become again. Drowning in dirt again we go, ho ho ho! star dust dancing in the wind of time. Or precessional conservation of entropy unitivity. Free ha ha ha, free! :-) By the way I am not getting married I have found that I need someone else. SO if there are any species out there that are interested in communicating with a testerestral unitivitist ; call me 310 514-0010. I only go out with fox types that are broke, but need attention and love for real. Must not be married like the last one. 18 to 55 with no children please, maybe. I have the money, honey if you have the time. This is what Kirby calls spamming I would get kicked off the silly list. or sin list. I have great respect for patrick the owner or what ever he is of this list the geo list. It is the best spot for all the copy cats to tune into. No joke Pat or what ever your name is you really are cool, your site is very prolific and very inspiring. When the history of the universe is written this list will be a part of the bible and it will be called what ever his name is book. The sculptor. No kidding you are someone that I can point at and say to Pete, Tet, and Kirb be like this guy and then you will see your way. He is a natural, and has only what he does to show and does not need anyone like me around to take out the garbage on. He has no garbage. No Fuller garbage like you guys are. Tarpley is a tea isn't it Hutch...? we will all be dead soon the way the developers are going. They just found a rocket 1 mile off angels gate here in long beach next to Fuller's dome by the Queen mary. It is live and they are going to try to take it off the bottom of the sea here with out it going off. No one knows how it got there. BOOOM! The glaciers are coming! Run for your boats. Weigh anchor oh sailors of the sea weigh anchor When Fuller died they sang the sea songs at metals park, the sea songs to save the sailors of the seas. Sailors of syntrivity with the sails of unitivity from sea to shinning sea.. Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian Hutchings 10-NOV-1999 20:28 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > syntryvyty is like the 3 walnut shells -- guess again! > > we don'need no worldgrid -- we just need about 6-billion > more boatslips; which will be doable, > once the tide goes out to the continental shelfline! > > --The Duke of Oil! > http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:39:02 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The electromagnetic force strong weak gravity can all be explained with the underlying sublime simple idea of unitivity which is that the areas of precessional sweep out are in equal and opposite reactions. This will allow all these ideas of particle to gravitational research to combine into the conservation of entropy theory of unitivity or the unified field theory. It is a simple but easy to understand way to see all volumes of any size through syntropy, isotropy, and entorpy are all relative to the origin of radii of all events. All volumes are in a active radii of a larger system at all times. The atoms in any space you pick in your room have radii of quarks etc, making neutrons, protons, electrons, and these make elements, molecules as the radii lengthens and the speeds are different in the area of sweep out of the volumes of nano sweeps of the 92 elements. These are in a state on earth somewhere which is a packed radii island of grand precessional atomic ball 8,000 miles thick, with the moon circling it as well all on one radii to the sun. My theory states that the sweep out of the radii to the sun is equal to the area of sweep out of the radii of all the nano precessional sweep outs of the atoms and elements that make the earth and moon. This would show a unified field theory of what I call the unitivity physical theory of conservation of entropy. The lengths of radii can change and because of the speed of area sweeping of the radii, may have the same area sweep out. Like if a one angstrom sweep out is half the speed of a 2 angstrom radii sweep out the areas would be the same. They both may add to the speed of light at all times but still have different speeds not at once. This is to say the speed of precession ;and the length of radii are inter changeable, this allows the stretching and waning way inwhich the vibration of heat and speed and density and gas liquid, solid etc. as well as the melting of the moons of Jupiter have ice coming out when they get close to the planet, the heat of gravity is the area of sweep increased to make this heat do to the increase of area to keep in tune with the radii speed as the moon gets closer to the planet as in the keplerain 2nd law of angular momentum. SO you see I have found the unified field theory that we have all heard about that everyone is looking for. cosmogic constant of area sweep out of angular momentum is the result of time and space as we know it. Electromagnetic field in a wire is making the radii of atoms the center of the earth for the time that it flows as well as its area sweep out as a nano angstrom field. If you get what I mean? All volumetrics are precessional events of area sweep outs of radii controlled angle and frequency. Synergetics is the freeze frame science of the volumes inwhich compound electro magnetic radii compress in a gravity field relative to earths gravity.Know mainly as the 92 elements. The sun can not have such models for there is only two radii motors. Hydrogen and Helium. They have no compression states and most the unitivity volume of the universe or the known radii of experience inwhich I call the unitivity volume has star motor radii factor data to choose from. So here on earth the dome is a big thing, on the sun the precession doesn't even have compression as we know it. We are in a very weak radii sweep out area of the volume of life that surrounds us. We are weak star dust, but we can see the sun everyday as it precesses around and we call this a day, and we are so old as the sun is seen to have been precessed by our earth as one year, and when it blows out we will be gone before that I suppose. It does not matter for the entropy of our bodies or the radii of our cells make to other radii and leave us dead as we know it, the unified field works and this is time, area sweep out is time nano to macro and it is one force, the force of unitivity. Now send your money to me and I will make the world work. :-) helium nuclei and hydrogen nuclei is the big stuff. 1/4 of the universe is helium gas. these are the real area sweep out machines of the universe. My theory states that the sun sweeps out in it as a nano sweep machine in angular momentum with these two elements all the area swept out by the rest of the planets and the nano sweeps of all the elements that make all the planets and there moons. The grand unified theory and the gravity force are one force in my theory of univtivity through area sweep out. This is a new idea. This is the theory lacking and many are looking for it, here it is. I have hit on it. I see the way the creation works. It is simple but it is topological area sweep out for radii of volumetric angle and frequency that transcends the universe. This is space time and means that it is all one area of sweep out in one event that we are stuck in as an area relativity that can see it as it precesses cosmically. cause and effect are the same area. If you say that basket ball is there it is really a volume with a radii of air in it. the air are atoms that have just like the basket ball area sweep out in it but not air, nor is air air it is volumetric light ball halo sweeps of area precessional volumes just as is our earth, the suns, the radii of the galaxies and so on. The speed of light is the harmonic mean of area sweep out of a single system measurement of relatively to us. We are all light volumes and this means conserved entropy spheres of radii of light in the whole light ball volume, the unitivity volume lastly know as god, now an act of precession that permeates all the universe, truth is the only way to keep the precession in your life or else your area will dissolve into entropy and your integrity will fold. Unitivity means all people are the same under the same laws of one system that all laws and religions fit within. perfect symmetry of area sweep of all bodies this is god. This also makes all events the same even if they are different in volumes, it allows all events to have one thing in common, area of sweep out of the nano radii of precessional radii in larger events; being equal. If a radii changes speed fast or slow of it's precession it can also lengthen or shorten its radii at the same time, these two valving events will allow all events to occur when spread out omni directionally as volumetric frequency modulations of area sweep outs. The areas may be the same and adjusted the speed of light to be of equal area at all times. Where the areas are the same is the most important place for the mind to focus. Why, because this is the simplest place to look that has not been looked at before in the nano level of events relative to the macro events. Tease me if you want but I have fallen in love with this idea. It works for me. Unitivity! I think bucky would have liked it. He inspired it. Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian Hutchings 10-NOV-1999 20:28 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > syntryvyty is like the 3 walnut shells -- guess again! > > we don'need no worldgrid -- we just need about 6-billion > more boatslips; which will be doable, > once the tide goes out to the continental shelfline! > > --The Duke of Oil! > http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:47:17 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: [synergetics-l] re: XYZ and ABC and unitivity In-Reply-To: <3826D4B1.9F162A6A@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:48 PM 11/8/99 +0000, Michael S. Mitchell wrote: >Now you see here the person states if you fill a room and Kirby states nothing >back Dunno what this is about yet. Been on a biz trip. Just back, reading my emails out of order. Off to Eugene in a few minutes. >to any degree that this will work with the whole universe. >Oh! he will say that is obvious. No, I'll say I have no idea what this is about. We may share "one volume" in some sense, but we're all looking in different directions, and a lot of us, having lived our lives from cradle to grave already, are dead. How does unitivity deal with death? Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:39:48 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: [synergetics-l] re: XYZ and ABC and unitivity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I as well looked into the Jerry springer geo list to see your post. Death is a lack of precession on the earth around the sun relative to one persons syntropic volume being isotropicly tuned to the point that at last the entropy for the volume to stay intact changes radii to other radii. Life is precession to see the stars in the sky is to see past death with unitivity. The process of harmonic distribution of precession tuned to be human for a certain amount of time is a short sighted form of life to some degree if one does not see that they are part of the whole. The idea that we are here to only raise the IQ of the specie and participate in designing and mapping out alternatives to make it a smile a while as we process is the game here, not who has the most money or toys or power to show off to the other monkeys. The process is to have as much fun as possible for all humans on earth this is the goal of world game after the need for primitive design ( food, boats, internet, sports) are taken care of maybe in 20 years if we pass this bomb test. WHich I have little faith we will in 20 years unless this posting net takes off with some money behind the world game. But no one is going to fund world game only war games. It is easier to kill everyone than talk to them. There is no death just as there is no life there is only eternal precession with or without humans. So we are not humans per say we are a force of area sweep out of precessional light harmony with the unitivity principle of one volume that we live in together with all other frequency modulations of volumes within it. Death is an illusion just as life, Unitivity is bigger than both and inclusion of both. Before we are born is the same as after we die, so we can say it is also the same as when we are alive principlicly. With brain and mind intact we see relativity, this may be the only change that unitivity is before and after death without relativity, while we are alive we have brain this is the difference and while we make extensions of the brain while we are here we can make it more comfortable for those children for all to come by design science and this is why bucky is the greatest man I know of; he loves not just humanity but the truth and this transcends into all humanity to come as well. The selfish technocrat investor wants to win and the others can starve this is the economical system we call the greatest on earth. Bucky with world game has stated that this is wrong, and leads always to war. We profit more when we have no threat from anyone else and can use the resources of war to live with. Love is precessional harmony and design science to expand this for another.. For one to live before death one must be honest and design for life for all humans to come as one lives for one's self, this is world man living. living for all the world and man as a term for specie not gender. World man is therefor a new specie on earth in the last 5 billion years that it has precessed into a water planet from star particle volumes of precession. Death is an old religious attitude from flat earth Pharaohs. I have been to the TOmbs of Egypt and behind the Sphinx is 12 stones that are like the stones of many other places that show the calendar months of the moon like Stone Hinge, etc. Now we can understand that all is one and what is not united must be united as an educational system of management. Unitivity is this method to do so, change all the schools to unitivity schools. It allows all religions, peoples history, all past found artifacts in time to exists without any bias, a world game for the mind to unite humanity with itself in one volume that can be called what anyone else wants to call it but closure is the main fact, that all religions can have one room to hang out in while in a no mans land of unitivity a mathematical volume for the masses to unite. Death is the time the test is over to design the most with the least to make humanity happy while earth in time to come after you are gone. The unitific method is how to do this, make and integrate all departments of education, all countries so war resources are shared not hoarded, to make the dark ages light now right now. The best way to do this is to start with music and the world man band was invented to do this, It was not copied like tet world or geni form anyone else, it is an idea that if you are not greedy and you wait you will come to your own ideas to do. To copy is greed and a lack of respect for the gestation rates of the precessional synergetic universal volume to produce to show you that being truthful pays off. Most people do not trust the truth it is the best way to die, honest. One must do their best to be honest and this is health and happiness designed to harmonize with the 12 positive precessinal not the negative. If you go out and shoot everyone in sight you will find that your precessional integrity will not be happy as a result and even when it is for your country it makes you feel like shit and then a smile becomes along way away. Why do we invest so much money in this possibility? Because bucky was not born soon enough and the information program was not available till he was here. World game not war games this is the big news for the next 50 days after 2000 our test will be handed out and if we do not know that war games is investing in death and lack of designs for the children to come, the millions of children as the head of this list has written that starve to death because we have to buy bombs, this shows the stupidity that we dark age in. I am not afraid to say that the whole management of this planet stinks! I live on my own little space ship, Popeye my boat you can have the rest until someone starts funding world game in a big way the world is a world bent on death. Death is lack of time to design for smiles. YOur in passing and having to leave without thinking don't mind the maggots great prince. There is nothing new about having a one pointed mind but it is new to attach it to the map your house is on the round earth with a geometry that is what unitivity does. It is the mathematical volume that all measurement of experiments are within and it has one radii that is synergetic to the tools that we measure with the electromagnetic telescopes. It is a 15 billion light year radii for now and as tools grow so does this unitivity volume. the volume of unitivity includes the synergetic and the energetic. That which we know is finite and definite or isotropic and syntropic from inside that which is out side this real of the omni directional halo of tools is entropic to us and synergetic. The volume out side is not a volume it is a principle of volume, what is inside is the unitivity volume that we know finite. We do know that the principlic synergetic volume and the energetic volume of unitivity has the same radii. This is the only actual measurement having the integer one that exists. It is the great precessional radii all other radii make the rest of the volumes in volumetrics, light forms etc. death is non existent in this in truth, but to be human we always use the precession of the earth around the sun for us our dogs, cats stars, light speed etc. The origin of radii that makes each person can only be extended by designs left for other brains to comprehend, write, work, designs that is all we can do to extend our life after death for others and I am sure the sun will not know the difference it will only be part of the mass that makes the radii to it. This does not mean we are any less important to the whole than the sun mind you. We should be glad that we have the chance to clean the planet of all this anguish with world game. At least we know what to do and how to do it. We only need to tell everyone else and hope they participate before they die. Money is put in the back and not spent and given to the children whom it may be to late for them if we do not spend it on world game. Kirby Urner wrote: > At 01:48 PM 11/8/99 +0000, Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > >Now you see here the person states if you fill a room and Kirby states > nothing > >back > > Dunno what this is about yet. Been on a biz trip. Just > back, reading my emails out of order. Off to Eugene in > a few minutes. > > >to any degree that this will work with the whole universe. > >Oh! he will say that is obvious. > > No, I'll say I have no idea what this is about. > > We may share "one volume" in some sense, but we're all looking in > different directions, and a lot of us, having lived our lives > from cradle to grave already, are dead. How does unitivity > deal with death? > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:45:16 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Fwd: ATM deposit envelopes. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I received this e-mailed me concerning the atm envelopes. i don't know if you > heard this or not but a women died from licking her envelope she was about > to deposit. someone laced the envelope with cyanide. the authorities found 6 > more envelopes in the slot. they are suggesting spitting and sealing or > carrying tape to seal the envelopes. no more licking guys. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:00:28 -0800 Reply-To: oregon@domes.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Oregon Dome Organization: Oregon Dome Subject: Dome Raisings, Books, and Linda Boothe Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com, domesteading@sculptors.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Folks, Once again, I've been lax in announcing dome raisings this year. However, I've got a whole stack of them scheduled for November-March, so it's time to see which hearty souls are ready to brave the chills (there are a few warm weather locations, but not many) and see some dome action. I'm just going to list the locations here, dates and instructions on how to get yourself invited are all listed on our website at: http://www.domes.com/events.html Here comes the list: Washougal, WA Cottage Grove, OR Livermore, CO Castle Valley, UT Marysville, OH Broadview Heights, OH Zephyr Hills, FL Valley View, OH Pittsboro, NC Asheville, NC Thomasville, GA There are a few others listed at the site, but these are further off at the moment, and there are a few more yet to be announced. If you don't see anything near you here that you can make it to, check again in another couple of weeks, when these "floating" raisings should start to settle into a schedule. Finally, for any who are interested, we've finally printed up the new Design and Building Ideas book. It's got quite a few new pictures and a definitely new. Details on ordering it are also available at the website. Finally, I want to let everyone know that Linda Boothe, Oregon Dome's President and Design Coordinator, is now hooked up to these various lists. Since I've got a few too many things on my personal plate at the moment, she's going to step in and join the groups, contributing where she can and deleting everything else. To those who are concerned about this sort of thing, I'm sorry about the cross-posting and the length and the "Oregon Dome News" orientation of this post. I'm just doing my housekeeping and should be done for a while now. -- Thanks, Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. E-mail: oregon@domes.com Web: http://www.domes.com Address: 3215 Meadow Lane, Eugene OR 97402 Fax: (541) 689-9275 Phone: (800) 572-8943 or (541) 689-3443 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:22:40 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Thanks again, Trevor! Comments: To: box2321@BOX2321.COM In-Reply-To: <382A0216.7F11A24E@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Trevor -- Thanks again for your work on that 'Critical Path' thread. I chatted about this with Kiyoshi as well (adjuvant on that book) -- he'd quasi-forgotten those subs. Below is recent to/from Mr. Applewhite re my visit. Your name came up as the source of the 'Command Line' piece, which I left with him, to his obvious pleasure. Yrs, Kirby Cc: GEODESIC ========== Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:54:54 -0800 To: Ed Applewhite From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Neal Stephenson Howdy Ed -- I'm glad you liked the manuscript. Stephenson was generous to put that essay on the web for free downloading -- my friend Trevor Blake, a fan of Stepenson's science fiction, bound it for me to read on the plane. This is the copy you now have. I will relay your appreciation of that piece to Trevor, along with your offer to send it back. He may be in touch with you regarding the Stephenson thread. I too greatly enjoyed our visit. Of course I've long associated that dish across from La Mediterranee with my artwork at http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/gst1.html even since the first moment I laid eyes upon it. To learn this visit from the staff that the attached building is used to sell and dispatch inventory to TV viewing consumers (ala the "crassly commercial" QVC channel -- on which channel Roger Silber sometimes appears to hawk his Roger's Connection -- mass produced in the USA by Design Science Toys, Ltd., which I just visited in New York State [1]) is poetically-speaking entirely appropriate (HAVE phase) -- as was our BE phase chatter re using $100M to give TV viewers access to design-science-savvy, yet commerically aware, curriculum programming (whether the NEA likes it or not). Kirby PS: thank you again for a copy of 'Beyond the Cube', which I have been avidly perusing. This was the one treasure I most welcomed getting delivered to my door this morning, after the airline grounds crew couldn't manage to open the cargo bay doors last night, meaning all checked bags were stuck in the aircraft's belly for the night. This is my first opportunity to catch up on emails. [1] Design Science Toys: http://www.dstoys.com/ (Roger's Connection listed under 'Product Catalog' -- Stuart Quimby has done some amazingly good and sophisticated DO phase design work to make this popular product mass-producible (the guy's a genius, no question about it)). At 11:39 AM 11/8/99 EST, you wrote: >Kirby, > >Got halfway through the Stephenson manuscript you left with me, when I >checked with Amazon.com. Find out that the paper is being published this >very day as a paperback original. Title: "In The Beginning was the >Command Line." I have ordered it. as I find his use of metaphor very >helpful. He is a very good writer, really beautiful. So glad you >brought this my way. Are you sure you don't want the manuscript back? > >Thanks for the visit. I enjoyed it thoroughly. And thanks for easing me >over into Active Worlds. > >Hope the rest of your trip is going well. Havae a great family New >Year's > >Ed > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:16:13 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. <> Brian Hutchings 12-NOV-1999 13:16 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us just say, Duh! thus quoth: The electromagnetic force strong weak gravity can all be explained with the underlying sublime simple idea of unitivity which is that the areas of precessional sweep out --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:12:52 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "P. O. Box 2321" Subject: US Forgives 36 Debtor Nations Comments: cc: Synergetics Listserv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This _is_ design science. See URL for complete story. Wish I knew more about the US decision listed below... http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/health/newsid_517000/517191.stm Friday, November 12, 1999 Published at 13:18 GMT 'Cancel debt for sake of children' The UK should act now to cancel the debt owed to it by developing countries and so save the lives of millions of children, says a leading charity. Save the Children Fund (SCF) says the UK is owed 1.5bn by 41 of the world's poorest countries. Cancelling this debt could have a major impact on child health. The call came during a major seminar on child health and poverty on Friday co-organised by the Institute of Child Health and the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health in London. [... text deleted... ] The US recently announced plans to cancel 100% of the debt owed to it by 36 of the world's poorest countries providing the money was spent on basic needs. -- Post Office Box 2321 Portland OR 97208-2321 USA http://www.box2321.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:11:58 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know what your thinking... That deaf, dumb, blind kid sure can play pinball~! A principle must be everywhere. Precession and area sweep out are everywhere. The only differences are radii lengths and area sweep outs. This works throughout the whole. This unified field theory of conservation of entropy works. Name me one place, or volume that has no radii. Quarks to galaxies are compound volumetric precessional radii frequency modulations of area sweep out. Time itself is a radii frequency so is space they are the same. The truth is all radii are connected in motion as light speed relative to us as the mean sweep out mode. All the tensegrity of super electro magnetic to gravity are angular momentum radii gyrometric events color and light isotropic packages of the 92 elements and bigger compound systems of inertia as planets and stars etc. The harmony of radii is what the world we see is. Volumes are a result of the orbital halo that is mostly area swept outness not solids. This is simple and it is experiential. This is the unified field answer. Tease me if you want, ? Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian Hutchings 12-NOV-1999 13:16 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > just say, Duh! > > thus quoth: > The electromagnetic force > strong > weak > gravity > can all be explained with the underlying sublime simple idea > of unitivity which is that the areas of precessional sweep out > > --The Duke of Oil! > http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:06:44 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Unitivity Comments: To: S.W.Hawking@damtp.cam.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello! I have worked with R. Buckminster Fuller for 16 years till 1983. When he died. I have a very clear view of the universe: what i have named unitivity. When ideas are so simple that they seem unworthy they may be most worthy. I conduct my conversation with you to begin to explain my idea matrix. 1. We live in one volume. This volume is omni Directional as you might call horizontal in all directions which as out tools grow more delicate becomes larger as a radii of awareness to us. The fact is it is one volume. I call this the unitivity energetic volume. The outside of this is unknown or synergetic. This is the synergetic unitivity volume. Both together are unitivity. Relativity is at minimum two. The relativity of these two volumes cause what I call syntrivity or 3 events as one. syntrivity is you and the two volumes that make the universe. Now this untivity volume which is always the most primitive principlicly to all division of the universe into other volumes. Synergetic geometry invented by bucky is the most interesting way to subdivide the volumes. At any rate - All events are division of the one volume and are called names as quarks, planets, solar systems etc. The size is not dependent, they are precessional events no doubt. Now this means that all events are a result of radii having an origin of orbital motion, in motion as well no matter. The main point that I make with this is: All radii of precessional events in the universe sweep out an area as in Kepler's second law of angular momentum. When these areas are the same we would be most interested in. The speed of light is a harmonic of area sweep out. This is the most interesting view of all events the areas of the radii. I feel in what I call the conservation of entropy theory: That the area of sweep out of the suns nano precessional halo is equal to all the area swept out by the planets and there nano sweeps of the elements that make them and the moons. This would be a isotropic area sweeping of opposite and equal reaction. now. Say that the sweep of the planet itself may equal the area of only it's nano sweeps of all the elements angular precessional area on the nano level. This would of course be the same through out the whole universe and bingo you have the unified field theory. Unitivity. I look at all events less that the unitivity volume has three facts to consider. If the orbit is more than 90 degrees it is entropic to the origin of radii, If it is 90 degrees it is isotropic and a system as an element holding its pattern. If it is less than 90 degrees to it's origin of radii it is syntropic. These 3 events can explain all events of precession relative to all other precessional events. Since nothing touches etc., these actions explain all events. I have been talking about it for a year or so and thinking about it for ever. I am in the archives of the geo list that you will find above. If you are interested look into the archives. Any questions may make me explain it better for I myself am only teleported the idea myself. You have then: Unitivity The one volume Relativity Two polar complemetary total mode reciprocities ( Two events as one ) Syntrivity ( Three events as one ) This would be science occuring. Infinity All events as one while in multiplication ( only by division of the one volume ) I call the frequency modulation of the unitivitiy volume, ( Volumetrics ) I am a unitivitist. One who makes one of all events. This also comes along with the idea that all men are one on one world and all education should always be united. My main communication is the the unified field theory can be made with the area of sweep out of radii in precessional forces throughout the whole universe and that light speed is a harmonic display of the areas being at a mean level. Keep in touch if you can, I hope you can stick around for a while longer. Unitivitist - Michael S. Mitchell http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html Please communicate with me about this I am interested in your past experience being handy. I also would like to know if any of the planets have areas of there orbits in time that are equal. Bucky always told me they are the same in the same amount of time. Am I mistaken on this point? You may communicate with my along or on the list above. Or not at all I may add. Good luck kid! Mickey I live on a boat in San Pedro Ca. - only worked with bucky. No other education to speak of except I did travel with him to many universities including yours around 1973. I do not want to know much. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:44:10 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. In-Reply-To: <382C829E.6D3D5382@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >A principle must be everywhere. >Precession and area sweep out are everywhere. You told us earlier that you were going to do some work on Kepler's Law re equal areal sweepouts in equal times. I claimed Fuller held to the standard understanding of this law, which applies to single orbiting bodies, comparing its sweepouts in equivalent time intervals i.e. it is NOT the case that Pluto and Mars have equal-to-one-another areal sweepouts in the same 30 seconds of time -- much less planets and electrons, which cycle in entirely different regimes. You told us to wait, and you'd get back to this -- you wondered if this was your ticket to a Nobel Prize. We're still waiting. Until you've resolved this little point, one way or another, I have a hard time taking all your many references to precession with much seriousness. From my point of view, you're pushing a mangled reading of both Kepler and Bucky and therefore are a source of misinformation (about a lot of stuff actually). Even if I agree we operate within a shared volume, thanks to lightspeed creating closely synchronized events aboard Spaceship Earth (8 minutes from the sun), ala your unitivity model, the fact remains that our _interpretations_ of our experiences vary greatly from one to another. From the standpoint of "spin", I'd say you and I live in completely different worlds, i.e. I can hardly imagine what it must be like to experience the world the way you do. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:13:30 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Unitivity In-Reply-To: <382C8F74.EB004FCA@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I also would like to know if any of the planets have areas >of there orbits in time that are equal. Bucky always told me >they are the same in the same amount of time. >Am I mistaken on this point? I think you are mistaken that this is what Bucky was telling you. Given how you've mangled things others have posted to this list, jumped to completely unwarranted conclusions, I have no difficulty whatsoever understanding how you could misunderstand Bucky just as surely as you seem to misunderstand just about everything you read. I also want to point out that it is one of the refreshing and central notions of Bucky's synergetics philosophy that Universe is not something static or conceptual, not a volume. He talks a lot about how people get confused by asking what is outside Universe, as if it were a container, like a box, like a tetrahedron. For Fuller, Universe is eternally aconceptual. Anything volumetric is what he calls conceptual, and is, in a starkly geometric sense, a result of subtracting 720 degrees, which begets curvature, which begets a system (subtracting a negative tetrahedron begets a positive tetrahedron -- but neither is Universe, each is at best a system, and will tend to leak sense over time). So your insistence on picturing Universe as a static volume shared by all beings, with the known and unknown being a division in volume, is less Bucky's philosophy, and more some dark ages cosmology, similar to the intuitive view most people hold when compelled to conceptualize what Bucky defines (repeat _defines_) as eternally aconceptual. Does this mean you have no right to post about Unitivity? Of course not -- post all you want. I just don't want you to get away with "guilt by association" i.e. please do not misinform newcomers to this list that your unitivity theory is the latest and greatest version of what Bucky was into. That claim is easily refuted, by digging just a little beneath the surface. When you harp on how you knew the guy, and followed him around with your audio equipment, it sounds like you're maybe claiming some special privilege or authority, as if we're supposed to accept your pronouncements on this basis alone. You also claim to represent the "common man" and advertise yourself as a "redneck". Anyone who questions your claims to authority and special privileges must therefore be some elitist anti common man snob. This seems to be your pose, your self-characterization -- which I find quasi- ridiculous (so I put on my clown suit and join you on stage -- check out these monster glasses!). In actual fact, you appear to be semi-oblivious regarding what's in the synergetics volumes. One reason Bucky put so much energy into getting these published (with the assistance of Mr. Applewhite) was to give any serious-minded scholar a level playing field on which to create a relationship to the material. We all have access to 'Synergetics' (now on the web) and have the same opportunity to study the philosophy. So, in actual fact, the "common man and woman" have been well served. We don't need to depend on intermediaries or people with "special friendships" to explore this geometry of thinking. There is no "inner circle" based on caste, class, or race within the Fuller School. This is as Bucky would have wanted it. This makes plenty of room for newcomers from all walks of life to come along and make serious contributions. Fuller's greatest students are no doubt as yet unborn. >I do not want to know much. > This says a lot about how you operate. Readers be warned. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:55:54 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: US Forgives 36 Debtor Nations In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >The US recently announced plans to cancel 100% of the debt owed to >it by 36 of the world's poorest countries providing the money was >spent on basic needs. We shouldn't forget that the USA itself is deeply in debt and very much in need of debt forgiveness. I wonder if this same "basic needs" stipulation applies in this case. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:13:49 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Bonnifield Subject: Re: Unitivity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I also would like to know if any of the planets have areas > of there orbits in time that are equal. Bucky always told me > they are the same in the same amount of time. > Am I mistaken on this point? None of the planets in our solar system sweep out an area equal to the area swept out by any other planet in the same time. Column 4 of this chart shows the area swept out by the planets in one Earth year: Planet Semimajor Axis in Period Area Swept Astronomical Units in Years in one year Mercury 0.387 0.241 1.95 Venus 0.723 0.615 2.67 Earth 1.000 1.000 3.14159 Mars 1.524 1.881 3.88 Jupiter 5.203 11.86 7.17 Saturn 9.539 29.46 9.70 Uranus 19.19 84.02 13.8 Neptune 30.07 164.8 17.2 Pluto 39.46 247.7 19.7 I copied the numbers in columns 2 and 3 from my college "Analytical Mechanics" text. I calculated the fourth column by neglecting the negligible eccentricities of the orbits and using the semimajor axis as the radius of a circle. The radius squared times pi is the area swept out when the planet makes one complete orbit. Dividing the area of the whole orbit by the period gives column 4, the area (in square Astronomical Units) the planet sweeps out in the time it takes Earth to make one complete orbit, that is, one year. I'm sure Bucky correctly understood that Kepler's second law applies to every planet INDIVIDUALLY. The areas are equal at different positions in the orbit of ONE planet, not for different planets. It is hard to write a sentence that is unambiguous on this topic. Bucky wrote (Synergetics 2, 791.01(3)) "In a given amount of time all of the planets `sweep out' equal areas." This statement is true about all of the planets, but as the rest of the paragraph and Figure 791.01(3) make clear, the areas being compared are areas within the orbit of ONE planet. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:35:17 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian La Subject: Dome info, please. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi; I'm a Dome nut from way back. I don't own one of my own, but have built many models in the past. I would be interested in learning more about what you are doing with them. Thanks; Brian ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:53:46 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am talking with steve and see if he can help me get along with this. I am saying that at some point area sweep out is equal and this is my new view of the universe. Your concept of spin is not what I am talking about. until the facts are in I am not proven wrong. Till then I am open for ideas as much as anyone else. What percentage of area is swept out by the planets in 21 days. This is my showing of facts. Where else does this amount occur in the universe and they you will have the idea of my unified field concept. This has yet to be discovered as if it is true, this is my point, until then it could be synergetic that my idea of area swept out by the nano could over lap in the same areas with another event. We are not in different worlds we are both in the same omni directional volume, this is a fact of science. This is the unitivity volume. Which means the dymaxion state of a know radii to humans in a cosmic sense. Does anything else mean this? This is the physical volume I am speaking of. Unitivity includes the fact it is synergetic there on out side the known radii. Unitivity also means all the ativities inside the radii and us. IT is a mathmatical matrix of god. Kirby Urner wrote: > >A principle must be everywhere. > >Precession and area sweep out are everywhere. > > You told us earlier that you were going to do some work on > Kepler's Law re equal areal sweepouts in equal times. I > claimed Fuller held to the standard understanding of this > law, which applies to single orbiting bodies, comparing > its sweepouts in equivalent time intervals i.e. it is NOT > the case that Pluto and Mars have equal-to-one-another areal > sweepouts in the same 30 seconds of time -- much less planets > and electrons, which cycle in entirely different regimes. > You told us to wait, and you'd get back to this -- you > wondered if this was your ticket to a Nobel Prize. We're > still waiting. > > Until you've resolved this little point, one way or another, > I have a hard time taking all your many references to precession > with much seriousness. From my point of view, you're pushing > a mangled reading of both Kepler and Bucky and therefore are > a source of misinformation (about a lot of stuff actually). > > Even if I agree we operate within a shared volume, thanks to > lightspeed creating closely synchronized events aboard > Spaceship Earth (8 minutes from the sun), ala your unitivity > model, the fact remains that our _interpretations_ of our > experiences vary greatly from one to another. From the > standpoint of "spin", I'd say you and I live in completely > different worlds, i.e. I can hardly imagine what it must be > like to experience the world the way you do. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:20:26 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: Dome info, please. Comments: To: brlabarr@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm a Dome nut from way back. I don't own one of my > own, but have built many models in the past. I would > be interested in learning more about what you are > doing with them. What would you like to know about them? If you've built a lot of dome models (and who among us hasn't?) then you already know how they work. Some of the most interesting work (to me) is being done with multi-layered domes. Check out http://www.one.net/~monkey for some details on 12f domes and multi-layered domes, as well as some other interesting treatises. -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:38:54 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Unitivity Comments: To: S.W.HAWKING@damtp.CAM.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here comes your hatchet attitude again. I see no class as well but time spent is time earned with bucky. If you were ed applewhite saying this it mite mean something to me. because one speaks of a volume in no way means it is static. You are mixing the Newtonian ideas with mine I was understanding this when you were standing in front of the EST course bath rooms guarding them. You mean to tel me that you think that volume and motion can not be at one place in the same time your are arguing just to do so. If you think this argument means much I am sorry this is why your concern about the books are over played. You do no understand it your self. I attack the message not the messenger like you. These ideas of yours do not hold. You do not understand the concept of energy in motion only freeze fried topology. All matter is in motion of precession, name me one event that is not now. Then tell me that volume is not mostly involved with the distances of the parts of any volume. A volume is full of gravity at all times no matter what size. The precession of all matter in volume makes the gravity. This is not a static view and your argument is sophomoric at best from a Fuller point of view. You mite argue volume is curved or it comes back on itself, or it's radii bends with mass attraction or something like that but to state we do not live in a volume means we could not go to the moon, or leave the room. Get serious and read Fuller sometime for real. You are using an argument of Einstein's against Newton, I am not the one to try that with. My 1967 copy right that Applewhite has points out the 720 degrees, this is why it is really 1440 degrees not 720 degrees. I will get into that latter. I do not want to know much is because as The greatest have stated simple is the fact of truth. You can play your horn all you want I do have a written letter from bucky that you do not. It states in his own words that he has respect and thinks my thinking is important. This goes a long way from what you say. If you like what he writes like in his books. Take my letter as a possible significant artifact and ask why and what and not attack me and defend you. All men are created equal, there ideas are made to help make it more so. I am in a state of design science with what I say, if you think they are worthless prove it with facts. A volume that is measured by the orbiting telescope and is full of billions and billions of events macro and a googol plex more times a googol plex of nano events that all share the same respect of motion namely what is a scientific fact, PRECESSION then where do you get off acting like this is all false! It is a fact that all bodies are in motion but in a very special motion precession. They all must then have a radii, this radii is always in motion as well. The fact is they all from the atom to the star or black hole radii have precessional proof to show they are there, this means that all facts of events are in an area sweep out proof the I dare you to find me anyone that has stated this in all history, the facts show that even the electron sweeps out area. When you add these areas how much area is in a hydrogen atom in keplarian swept radii. How does this amount fix with the rest of the larger radii in the motion of bodies in precessional relationships. This is not in Synergetics. This is my idea. The idea of one volume is not in synergetics, this is my idea as well. The words Unitivity, syntrivity, Isotropy, are my ideas. Where is your ideas and state them. I learned these on my own. I am not saying these are bucky's ideas. I have other written documents that say that bucky loves me. He has kissed me on the lips. He has called me his beloved friend. He has spent an enormous amount of time with me. I will not let him down. I hold my precessional orbit on these ideas till I see proof that I am wrong. I do like to talk and speak about the truth and if i am bad then say so. I will tell you why I am bad. I am not in the real of gossip. I call it the way I see it. Slander is not the truth. I there is something that is true I say it. I have a lot of respect for your ability to communicate and i share all your ideas about bucky and have listened to bucky as much if not more than many people close to him. I owned his home and wrote back and forth with Anne. I traveled a lot with both of them and had dinners with them as I did many times. He in a respect raised me. I will always love him for that. He let me in to the inside and travel on planes with him and cars and walk with him. hundreds of times we did this. If you could see the list of audio tapes I made you would see this. I am glad you are here. You prove that someone that did not know him can be just as involve as one like me who did. I do not care who did or not. The facts of science are not made of relationships of people they are made of precessional events and this is the under tow of all events. All matter goes the speed of radiation any siZe matter. it is always in precession. The earth goes around the sun the sun goes around the black hole it goes around goes around. A black hole is caused by the precession around it as does all gravity as a top spins makes it's own. Electromagnetic flow beings nano gyromagnetic to the earths radii and becomes a glacier flow of light in globs, all globs are light globs in precssion and they have an area of sweep out of the radii. This is where the unified fire is. Thank you for the syntrivity. I have written Mr. Steve hawkings and I hope he can clear this out for the rest of you. I know what I see and it is far out! Maybe he will come on line and help us with questions. He mite learn something? As well as us. What else is life for? Death is a waste of time I know that much. :-) Kirby Urner wrote: > >I also would like to know if any of the planets have areas > >of there orbits in time that are equal. Bucky always told me > >they are the same in the same amount of time. > >Am I mistaken on this point? > > I think you are mistaken that this is what Bucky was telling you. > Given how you've mangled things others have posted to this list, > jumped to completely unwarranted conclusions, I have no difficulty > whatsoever understanding how you could misunderstand Bucky just > as surely as you seem to misunderstand just about everything you > read. > > I also want to point out that it is one of the refreshing and > central notions of Bucky's synergetics philosophy that Universe > is not something static or conceptual, not a volume. He talks > a lot about how people get confused by asking what is outside > Universe, as if it were a container, like a box, like a > tetrahedron. > > For Fuller, Universe is eternally aconceptual. Anything > volumetric is what he calls conceptual, and is, in a starkly > geometric sense, a result of subtracting 720 degrees, which > begets curvature, which begets a system (subtracting a negative > tetrahedron begets a positive tetrahedron -- but neither is > Universe, each is at best a system, and will tend to leak sense > over time). > > So your insistence on picturing Universe as a static volume > shared by all beings, with the known and unknown being a > division in volume, is less Bucky's philosophy, and more > some dark ages cosmology, similar to the intuitive view most > people hold when compelled to conceptualize what Bucky > defines (repeat _defines_) as eternally aconceptual. > > Does this mean you have no right to post about Unitivity? > Of course not -- post all you want. I just don't want you to > get away with "guilt by association" i.e. please do not > misinform newcomers to this list that your unitivity theory > is the latest and greatest version of what Bucky was into. > That claim is easily refuted, by digging just a little > beneath the surface. > > When you harp on how you knew the guy, and followed him > around with your audio equipment, it sounds like you're > maybe claiming some special privilege or authority, as if > we're supposed to accept your pronouncements on this basis > alone. You also claim to represent the "common man" and > advertise yourself as a "redneck". Anyone who questions > your claims to authority and special privileges must therefore > be some elitist anti common man snob. This seems to be your > pose, your self-characterization -- which I find quasi- > ridiculous (so I put on my clown suit and join you on > stage -- check out these monster glasses!). > > In actual fact, you appear to be semi-oblivious regarding what's > in the synergetics volumes. One reason Bucky put so much energy > into getting these published (with the assistance of Mr. Applewhite) > was to give any serious-minded scholar a level playing field on > which to create a relationship to the material. We all have access > to 'Synergetics' (now on the web) and have the same opportunity > to study the philosophy. So, in actual fact, the "common man > and woman" have been well served. We don't need to depend on > intermediaries or people with "special friendships" to explore > this geometry of thinking. > > There is no "inner circle" based on caste, class, or race within > the Fuller School. This is as Bucky would have wanted it. This > makes plenty of room for newcomers from all walks of life to > come along and make serious contributions. Fuller's greatest > students are no doubt as yet unborn. > > >I do not want to know much. > > > > This says a lot about how you operate. Readers be warned. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:59:33 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. In-Reply-To: <382DC1CA.A84F1821@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:53 PM 11/13/99 +0000, you wrote: >I am talking with steve and see if he can help me get along with this. >I am saying that at some point area sweep out is equal and this >is my new view of the universe. Your concept of spin is not what I >am talking about. >until the facts are in I am not proven wrong. I think the facts were in hundreds of years ago. >Till then I am open for ideas as much as anyone else. >What percentage of area is swept out by the planets in 21 days. Depends on the planet. >This is my showing of facts. Where else does this amount occur in >the universe and they you will have the idea of my unified field >concept. >This has yet to be discovered as if it is true, this is my point, until >then >it could be synergetic that my idea of area swept out by the nano could >over lap in the same areas with another event. I think you're fooling yourself. >We are not in different worlds we are both in the same omni directional >volume, this is a fact of science. This is the unitivity volume. It's non-simultaneous, because information propagates, is not instantaneous. So some people find out much later in time, about various events. Information does not come to everyone in the same order. >Which means the dymaxion state of a know radii to humans in a cosmic >sense. >Does anything else mean this? This is the physical volume I am speaking >of. Depending on where you are located, you will see a star explode long before someone else does. In what sense do we all share the same volume, when we're all dealt different hands when it comes to information? >Unitivity includes the fact it is synergetic there on out side the known >radii. >Unitivity also means all the ativities inside the radii and us. IT is a >mathmatical >matrix of god. My point was that unitivity is not the same as synergetics, is taking it's own path. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:27:16 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Unitivity In-Reply-To: <382DCC5E.1A404551@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:38 PM 11/13/99 +0000, you wrote: >Here comes your hatchet attitude again. I simply want to cut the umbilical chord between synergetics and unitivity. I don't think a hatchet is necessary. Takes about 10 minutes with the source documents. >I see no class as well but time spent is time earned with bucky. What people manage to get from time spent varies greatly from one to another. >If you were ed applewhite saying this it mite mean something to me. My whole point is I'm not trying to mean something -- I'm not claiming special privileges. I'm just another guy who has access to the works, plus I have the ability to do my own thinking and make my own judgements. >because one speaks of a volume in no way means it is static. Sounds static to me, like a big room. >You are mixing the Newtonian ideas with mine I was understanding >this when you were standing in front of the EST course bath rooms >guarding >them. You mean to tel me that you think that volume and motion can not I didn't guard any bathrooms. I guarded the door into the EST room, to make sure people looking for their bus didn't barge in and interrupt something worthwhile. > >be at one place in the same time your are arguing just to do so. >If you think this argument means much I am sorry this is why >your concern about the books are over played. You do no understand The books are highly valuable. Your posts to GEODESIC are a flash in the pan by contrast, highly forgettable, not destined to mean diddly. Because you refuse to mature. >it your self. I attack the message not the messenger like you. I'm registering skepticism. My right in a free country. >These ideas of yours do not hold. You do not understand What ideas? >the concept of energy in motion only freeze fried topology. >All matter is in motion of precession, name me one event that >is not now. Then tell me that volume is not mostly involved with >the distances of the parts of any volume. If you're saying energy requires both time and size, then I agree. Energy is expansive and fills spacetime. Duh. >A volume is full of gravity at all times no matter what size. >The precession of all matter in volume makes the gravity. >This is not a static view and your argument is sophomoric at best >from a Fuller point of view. I have no response, because I don't know what to make of this stuff. Good thing we have the books, and don't have to rely on you to communicate what Fuller was thinking. >You mite argue volume is curved or it comes back on itself, or >it's radii bends with mass attraction or something like that >but to state we do not live in a volume means we could not >go to the moon, or leave the room. Get serious and read Fuller >sometime for real. You are using an argument of Einstein's against >Newton, I am not the one to try that with. If you think of the Universe as one big room, then you're not thinking of it the way Fuller did. >My 1967 copy right that Applewhite has points out the >720 degrees, this is why it is really 1440 degrees not 720 degrees. Yawn. >I will get into that latter. >I do not want to know much is because as The greatest have stated >simple is the fact of truth. You can play your horn all you want >I do have a written letter from bucky that you do not. Irrelevant. That letter has nothing to do with anything. Plus I got a letter too. I know the archive has a copy. >It states in his own words that he has respect and thinks my >thinking is important. This goes a long way from what you say. It says we shouldn't worry about you. He probably knew we would. The letter says you're harmless, is my reading. >If you like what he writes like in his books. Take my letter >as a possible significant artifact and ask why and what and not >attack me and defend you. I consider that letter close to meaningless, in the context of trying to make sense out of unitivity. I'm merely pointing out that Bucky's philosophy is highly evolved and coherently expressed in the books he left us. Yours, on the other hand, is sloppily presented in the context of a few posts to GEODESIC. I don't want newcomers to confuse unitivity with synergetics -- not even in the same ballpark. >All men are created equal, there ideas are made to help make >it more so. I am in a state of design science with what I say, >if you think they are worthless prove it with facts. I think we've already seen a lot of proof. And I don't think all your ideas are worthless. I never said that. >A volume that is measured by the orbiting telescope and is full >of billions and billions of events macro and a googol plex more >times a googol plex of nano events that all share the same >respect of motion namely what is a scientific fact, Those stars are the ends of light beams started by events billions of years ago. The stars you see in your Hubble photos are the way they looked long before the earth ever existed. Light takes a long time to get to us. It's not like one big volume here and now, when you look at the starry night. You're getting emails, some of them sent a long time ago. Others, elsewhere, are getting these emails in a different order. The news is not the same everywhere. Events don't register likewise for all players. Do you disagree? >PRECESSION then where do you get off acting like this is all false! I think your interpretation of Kepler's law is false, and your claim that Bucky believed as you do regarding that law is likewise false. >It is a fact that all bodies are in motion but in a very special motion >precession. They all must then have a radii, this radii is always in >motion as well. Your observations oscillate between the trivial and the incorrect. >The fact is they all from the atom to the star or black hole radii have >precessional >proof to show they are there, this means that all facts of events are in >an area >sweep out proof the I dare you to find me anyone that has stated this in > >all history, the facts show that even the electron sweeps out area. When >you >add these areas how much area is in a hydrogen atom in keplarian swept >radii. How does this amount fix with the rest of the larger radii in >the motion >of bodies in precessional relationships. This is not in Synergetics. >This is my idea. Yes, correct, this is NOT synergetics. Praise Allah. >The idea of one volume is not in synergetics, this is my idea as well. I completely agree. >The words Unitivity, syntrivity, Isotropy, are my ideas. You're welcome to them. >Where is your ideas and state them. I've done so at length already. >I learned these on my own. I am not saying these are bucky's ideas. Good. I'll remember to come back here to get this quote, when I need to. >I have other written documents that say that bucky loves me. Likely he did. >He has kissed me on the lips. More than we need to know. >He has called me his beloved friend. He was an effusive gentleman. >He has spent an enormous amount of time with me. I feel sorry for him. >I will not let him down. As long as you make sure to keep your ideas from contaminating his, I think you're keeping the faith. >I hold my precessional orbit on these ideas till I see proof that >I am wrong. I've seen several people offer proof. I don't know what it will take. Why not do your own homework, instead of making it be someone else's problem to disabuse you of your fantasies? >I do like to talk and speak about the truth and if i am bad then say so. > I'm not concerned about "bad" in this context. I just want the record to be clear. >I will tell you why I am bad. >I am not in the real of gossip. I call it the way I see it. >Slander is not the truth. I there is something that is true I say it. >I have a lot of respect for your ability to communicate and >i share all your ideas about bucky and have listened to bucky >as much if not more than many people close to him. >I owned his home and wrote back and forth with Anne. >I traveled a lot with both of them and had dinners with them >as I did many times. >He in a respect raised me. He had many sons. >I will always love him for that. >He let me in to the inside and travel on planes with him >and cars and walk with him. >hundreds of times we did this. >If you could see the list of audio tapes I made you would see this. >I am glad you are here. You prove that someone that did not know him >can be just as involve as one like me who did. Bucky and I were in touch. He had a tremendous number of relationships. He was generous with you, but you do not own him, nor do I. >I do not care who did or not. >The facts of science are not made of relationships of people >they are made of precessional events and this is the under tow of >all events. OK. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:06:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: US Forgives 36 Debtor Nations <> Brian Hutchings 14-NOV-1999 12:06 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us this was just another failed "reform" using the same "structure of sin" (to aim the Pope at it) of the IMF; yes, it certainly *is* intended to be aimed at US. thus quoth: >The US recently announced plans to cancel 100% of the debt owed to >it by 36 of the world's poorest countries providing the money was >spent on basic needs. We shouldn't forget that the USA itself is deeply in debt and very much in need of debt forgiveness. I wonder if this same "basic needs" stipulation applies in this case. Kirby --Borne in a Banke! http://www.tarpley/net/bush1.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:55:30 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Unitivity Comments: To: Stephen W Hawking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK granted now what you have not added is the radii of the spin of the planets as they make the sun orbit, if you add the spin radii sweep out to this then you may have the same areas. If you calculate the areas of all the elements that make each planet and add this to the areas, as well as the spin of all the elements that make the planets and the moons of each planet as well as the nano sweep out of all the elements that make the moons then it could be the same. Where the areas are the same will be the proof of a very important product of thinking. The entropy would be conserved in a hidden harmony. So we need the mass of all the planets and an area sweep out of all that mass at the speed of light. All these areas should equal that swept out by the H and He of the sun. I am saying there will be some thing here to base a great deal of awareness on some day. Remember synergetics is the exploration in the geometry of thought. This is my exploration idea to look for the keplerian factors in nano events. It would be a very great thing if I am right. If I am wrong it is just exploration for better tries. I contend that this will show a path that all bodies of any size can be considered volumes of radii sweep out as the most regular simple way to explain the universal activity of energy. (c) Copyright 1999 Michael S. Mitchell :-) Thank you for participating. I am forwarding this to Stephen Hawking as well as you to see what he thinks god willing or precession filling. E=MC tirangled bucky would say not squared. By the way bucky was one of only 16 persons given persimmon by Albert Einstein to write about relativity. I have an autographed book of Alberts and was married once by a friend of his named Paul Schillp at SIU university. The marriage was a preccessional failure but the experience was great for a while. By the way anyone out there I need a date. Female of course. I am 55 years old and horney. Excuse me steve I have to use this media for something useful some times. Just say no to sex. Is that what I should be saying? I precess my case. Mickey :-) one more smile. . Lee Bonnifield wrote: > > I also would like to know if any of the planets have areas > > of there orbits in time that are equal. Bucky always told me > > they are the same in the same amount of time. > > Am I mistaken on this point? > > None of the planets in our solar system sweep out an area equal to the > area swept out by any other planet in the same time. Column 4 of this > chart shows the area swept out by the planets in one Earth year: > > Planet Semimajor Axis in Period Area Swept > Astronomical Units in Years in one year > > Mercury 0.387 0.241 1.95 > Venus 0.723 0.615 2.67 > Earth 1.000 1.000 3.14159 > Mars 1.524 1.881 3.88 > Jupiter 5.203 11.86 7.17 > Saturn 9.539 29.46 9.70 > Uranus 19.19 84.02 13.8 > Neptune 30.07 164.8 17.2 > Pluto 39.46 247.7 19.7 > > I copied the numbers in columns 2 and 3 from my college "Analytical > Mechanics" text. I calculated the fourth column by neglecting the > negligible eccentricities of the orbits and using the semimajor axis > as the radius of a circle. The radius squared times pi is the area > swept out when the planet makes one complete orbit. Dividing the area > of the whole orbit by the period gives column 4, the area (in square > Astronomical Units) the planet sweeps out in the time it takes Earth > to make one complete orbit, that is, one year. > > I'm sure Bucky correctly understood that Kepler's second law applies > to every planet INDIVIDUALLY. The areas are equal at different > positions in the orbit of ONE planet, not for different planets. It is > hard to write a sentence that is unambiguous on this topic. Bucky > wrote (Synergetics 2, 791.01(3)) > > "In a given amount of time all of the planets `sweep out' equal areas." > > This statement is true about all of the planets, but as the rest of > the paragraph and Figure 791.01(3) make clear, the areas being > compared are areas within the orbit of ONE planet. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:59:33 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: US Forgives 36 Debtor Nations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lets not forget that the idea of Nations are as stupid as shooting each other which is what everyone is doing out or frustration now a days on the street. Why not make the Ussr part of the United states and everywhere else that may want to do so. We may get some money back from war tools then. No plank for this in our life time, to much greed to plant the seed. Kirby Urner wrote: > >The US recently announced plans to cancel 100% of the debt owed to > >it by 36 of the world's poorest countries providing the money was > >spent on basic needs. > > We shouldn't forget that the USA itself is deeply in debt and > very much in need of debt forgiveness. I wonder if this same > "basic needs" stipulation applies in this case. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:16:20 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You must agree that all humans are on earth and that the volume that is around us as far as any tool can gather we share together. Is this not true? This is my point the precessional effects of time and space inside this tooling is another matter that I agree with you on these effects it is that they are all sweeping out areas that is my idea that you have never heard on a nano level this is my point of order. I do not have the time after the working day always to go over every letter like you do and at the end of the day I would like to if I did not have to sleep. So please forgive me for not being as special in my communication as you. Exploration of the geometry of thinking is synergetics so no matter what you say I am talking about synergetics no matter what I do. That is if you are a Fuller freak like me. Of course this is my synergetic exploration, if you are so defensive as to always say to the new people that I am not Fuller that is easy to see. I am a unitivitist the only one in the world. Bucky liked me, if you do not then so be it. I am not trying to do anything but find out the truth about how simple ways to explain the way the universe works and the simple way to say it to others. Unitivity is a simple way to say that I am in the same world with all others that they may think what ever they want and I will not fight with them, for I am a person that unites all ideas into one and the gestation rates of humans on the planet should allow all truths to be equal in history as long as they are not hurting anyone physically and that all people are created equal in the same volume of reality that the earth is a volume and has a weight do to precessional as well as all other forms of energy, this gives a person the freedom to be one with all without a fight. This means that a person is interdiciplinary with the ideas of education and that all information should be shared and studied and united as much as possible. This makes for comprehensive learning and simple awareness of truth, and that one should be honest so as to be in harmony with the way the principles of the universe which are all precessional. One has a clean clear orbit with all else as a unitivitist and includes never excludes. To do more with less in order to be more simple and one with the universe, do not pollute etc.LOve everyone and stop the investment in killingry and put it into livingry and support world game to do this. By the way I have to send out a check to the bfi and the world game before the year ends. Kirby Urner wrote: > At 07:53 PM 11/13/99 +0000, you wrote: > >I am talking with steve and see if he can help me get along with this. > >I am saying that at some point area sweep out is equal and this > >is my new view of the universe. Your concept of spin is not what I > >am talking about. > >until the facts are in I am not proven wrong. > > I think the facts were in hundreds of years ago. > > >Till then I am open for ideas as much as anyone else. > >What percentage of area is swept out by the planets in 21 days. > > Depends on the planet. > > >This is my showing of facts. Where else does this amount occur in > >the universe and they you will have the idea of my unified field > >concept. > >This has yet to be discovered as if it is true, this is my point, until > >then > >it could be synergetic that my idea of area swept out by the nano could > >over lap in the same areas with another event. > > I think you're fooling yourself. > > >We are not in different worlds we are both in the same omni directional > >volume, this is a fact of science. This is the unitivity volume. > > It's non-simultaneous, because information propagates, is not > instantaneous. So some people find out much later in time, > about various events. Information does not come to everyone > in the same order. > > >Which means the dymaxion state of a know radii to humans in a cosmic > >sense. > >Does anything else mean this? This is the physical volume I am speaking > >of. > > Depending on where you are located, you will see a star explode > long before someone else does. In what sense do we all share > the same volume, when we're all dealt different hands when it > comes to information? > > >Unitivity includes the fact it is synergetic there on out side the known > >radii. > >Unitivity also means all the ativities inside the radii and us. IT is a > >mathmatical > >matrix of god. > > My point was that unitivity is not the same as synergetics, is > taking it's own path. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:13:01 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Unitivity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I simply want to cut the umbilical chord between synergetics > and unitivity. I don't think a hatchet is necessary. Takes > about 10 minutes with the source documents. > To study and explore is the way all should do not just bea copy cat if we did that Stephen Hawking would not get his chair and bucky would not be bucky. > My whole point is I'm not trying to mean something -- I'm not > claiming special privileges. I'm just another guy who has > access to the works, plus I have the ability to do my own > thinking and make my own judgements. > Me as well but I have had a great deal of time with bucky.This was my investment and others did not do this and that was their investment in time. > >because one speaks of a volume in no way means it is static. > > Sounds static to me, like a big room. > A big room is not static it has gravity in it and air and what elseyou put into it like light etc. Just because light bends in radii to our eye over a speed in the volume does not stop it from being a volume. Volume is independent of time and space it is a measurement of potential time and space. IT is the mode of all geometry and topology at least in my unitivity model. Volume is the clean slate that all happens in omni directional awareness. It is energetic and synergetic and there is only one volume that we all share if you do not see this then you are very alone in your vision. Newton's formula F=mv was changed to E=mc2 this is your argument and I am not talking in this respect this is all you can get out of the book to assist you in your best case. It is not yet proven that the planets do not sweep out the same area in the same time. The area of the sweep out has not been calculated yet on a nano level. > I didn't guard any bathrooms. I guarded the door into the EST > room, to make sure people looking for their bus didn't barge > in and interrupt something worthwhile. > You stated bathrooms last year. Ask Hutch he replied to you. anyway it was a game you played no harm. > > > The books are highly valuable. Your posts to GEODESIC are a flash > in the pan by contrast, highly forgettable, not destined to mean > diddly. Because you refuse to mature. > This is not a mature argument.you have always been the one that did that. I am here simply to learn and communicate as everyone else is and explore this new way to share learning and ideas and opinions just as all humans have done in the last 5 billion years of development from precessinal atoms from star dust. > >it your self. I attack the message not the messenger like you. > > I'm registering skepticism. My right in a free country. > > >These ideas of yours do not hold. You do not understand > > What ideas? > > >the concept of energy in motion only freeze fried topology. > >All matter is in motion of precession, name me one event that > >is not now. Then tell me that volume is not mostly involved with > >the distances of the parts of any volume. > > If you're saying energy requires both time and size, then I > agree. Energy is expansive and fills spacetime. Duh. The way this energy associates is always in precession I do not thinkyou know what that is yet. Everything goes the speed of light in precession around all of us making colors elements, trees, planets, stars, and it is all within one volume called the unitivity volume. This is Einsteinium for it is full of light and gravity, radiation which is radii dependent. Radii - ation radii dependent. Your argument is always in defense of your list not the geometry, you want to focus on your list and this is why you are always so defensive that idea may get out of your list that are not under your control and centered on your site. This how monkeys patrol the trees. And we are monkeys do you not agree? > A volume is full of gravity at all times no matter what size. > The precession of all matter in volume makes the gravity. > This is not a static view and your argument is sophomoric at best > from a Fuller point of view. > I know you do not know what this means, > I have no response, because I don't know what to make of this > stuff. Good thing we have the books, and don't have to rely > on you to communicate what Fuller was thinking. > Well I love the books as well but some time you have to put them downand stop being the jim jones of synergetics and think for your self. You are not the real issue that idea that energy is angular momentum at all times and the area sweep out is my idea and this is what I am putting to. > >You mite argue volume is curved or it comes back on itself, or > >it's radii bends with mass attraction or something like that > >but to state we do not live in a volume means we could not > >go to the moon, or leave the room. Get serious and read Fuller > >sometime for real. You are using an argument of Einstein's against > >Newton, I am not the one to try that with. > > If you think of the Universe as one big room, then you're not > thinking of it the way Fuller did. That is a point that I may agree or may not agree. Just because theuniverse is a non simultaneous overlapping of events is what your talking about does not mean that we humans are not with in the same events as a whole and that, that whole is not a volume to deal with. It most certainly is or we could not go to the moon in the volume. many people did not think the moon was in our volume but look now. We all live in a cosmic volume that is one, this is what I call the univitity volume. Fuller or not. When bucky divided volumes by other volumes he was meaning it in a principlicly sense just as the 720 degree subtraction is principlicly a system or not. SO I do not agree I find him starting with a unitary volume the whole but he did not focus on it because the frequency modulations of a and b particles are easier to get along with with out the redefining of god, which is what the unitary cosmic volume is. So he left it out so as to make it easier to digest I would suppose. > > > >My 1967 copy right that Applewhite has points out the > >720 degrees, this is why it is really 1440 degrees not 720 degrees. > > Yawn. Yawn but Sonny stated he has seen it in his files.This copy right was in 1967- before you ever heard of bucky. Yawn is all you can do. I hate this attack method to use each other as a form of communication and not the facts of science. so I am signing off for now. This is to social and that makes for a big yawn. You may please try and focus on the science not the persons. You have still not named me one non precessional event in the universe. Please tell me what you think precesssion is. Do you have an idea of what it is? > Those stars are the ends of light beams started by events > billions of years ago. The stars you see in your Hubble > photos are the way they looked long before the earth ever > existed. Light takes a long time to get to us. It's not > like one big volume here and now, when you look at the > starry night. You're getting emails, some of them sent > a long time ago. Others, elsewhere, are getting these > emails in a different order. The news is not the same > everywhere. Events don't register likewise for all players. > Do you disagree? > NO I DO NOT DISAGREE. That fact is that the radii of the universe did not change with all this going on within it. That radii is the unitivity radii. Get it. It is not dependent on special case radiation events within it to be there. There is true north and there is magnetic north I am speaking true north in this sense. The volume of the universe known to man with the dymaxion tools is always the energetic unitivity volume. The synergetic volume is outside of that. They to be systems are divided by 1440 degrees. This is the amount of degrees in univitity. > >PRECESSION then where do you get off acting like this is all false! > > I think your interpretation of Kepler's law is false, and your > claim that Bucky believed as you do regarding that law is > likewise false. I did not say bucky believed that way I do, I thought this myself itis my idea to take nano sweep outs of the Keplerain laws in an omni directional sense. I stated that I thought bucky had also thought of the planets sweeping out equal areas. I see this is true for each planet, I always wondered if it was true for all of them on a nano level, this is my idea. It is not yet proven wrong. The aspects of this maybe equal to a unified field theory, this is a fact. If precessional opposite and equal reactions are hidden from us in the nano sweep outs of the atom level then it would explain the cosmic unified field theory. Until the nano spin as well as radii are approximate then we do not know this is why I call it the conservation of entropy theory. > > > >It is a fact that all bodies are in motion but in a very special motion > >precession. They all must then have a radii, this radii is always in > >motion as well. > > Your observations oscillate between the trivial and the incorrect. > This not true this is a slanderous remark with out proof. > >The fact is they all from the atom to the star or black hole radii have > >precessional > >proof to show they are there, this means that all facts of events are in > >an area > >sweep out proof the I dare you to find me anyone that has stated this in > > > >all history, the facts show that even the electron sweeps out area. When > >you > >add these areas how much area is in a hydrogen atom in keplarian swept > >radii. How does this amount fix with the rest of the larger radii in > >the motion > >of bodies in precessional relationships. This is not in Synergetics. > >This is my idea. > > Yes, correct, this is NOT synergetics. Praise Allah. > This is not in the book but it is exploration of thought which is on the coverof the book as the main thing about synergetics. So it is a form of exploration and since synergetics is all I know, it comes from the book. > >The idea of one volume is not in synergetics, this is my idea as well. > > I completely agree. > > >The words Unitivity, syntrivity, Isotropy, are my ideas. > > You're welcome to them. > > >Where is your ideas and state them. > > I've done so at length already. > With out content I may add and boring occurs to all of us. > I bet. SO thank you for your thoughts, and keep up the good work.Hope to see what Dr. Hawking has to say about nano sweep outs. To all a good night. :-) Hope that I am not in bad taste with my ideas. Mickey I do not have time to answer the way you do each sentence at a time as if a legal document. I never proof read and have a lot to do each day on my boat so this time I went back to every sentence and as you do pushed through it with out the poetry of motion that comes with a free mind like bucky's. It is hard work to communicate with some and you make hard work of it. :-) Sea YA! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:25:05 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Global energy distribution MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At one time in the office when we were working on the idea of the grid in 1966 and 67 the idea of making a wire from one pole to the other came about and that it may be that a flow of electricity may occur if primed because the earth is like a big electric motor. This was Charles Pricketts idea i think. The solar cell and wind mill has been a very big priority to bucky and Hans who is president of the bfi was the first that I heard of using wind power that bucky invested in to help I think back then. I am now in the process of putting a windmill and solar cells on my boat and becoming a country of my own so to speak. Independent of property taxes and politicians that make you do things on land. Just float and hope that the world gets better some day. Michael Riversong is an expert on Tesla he may know. Check out my site he is on my site top right first page. also the connection to dog pile the best search engine for fuller that I have found. http://home.aerthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html Matthew Davidchuk wrote: > Is anyone out there familiar with Nikola Tesla's > idea for world-wide wireless distribution of > energy. He wanted to use the earth itself as the > conductive medium by which a high-frequency > electrical wave could be transmitted to points > around the world, relying on the geometry of the > earth. Supposedly, all that would be needed to > extract the energy would be a simple grounded > apparatus. > > My question is: Has this been discussed as a method > for implementing Bucky's global energy grid? > > Regards, > Matthew Davidchuk > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:24:33 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. In-Reply-To: <382EFC74.61C65BE8@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:16 PM 11/14/99 +0000, you wrote: >You must agree that all humans are on earth and that the volume that >is around us as far as any tool can gather we share together. >Is this not true? Sure. But is this the basis of a philosophy? We share a planet. You seem to want to copyright that idea. >I do not have the time after the working day always to go over >every letter like you do and at the end of the day I would like >to if I did not have to sleep. But you do have the time to pester Stephen Hawking with your foolish drivel. A world class thinker with precious little free time. How thoughtless and disrespectful of you to just spew your poorly contrived mush in his direction. By mixing in Bucky's name, you make the uphill battle to achieve some recognition for Bucky's work all that more difficult -- because people read your stuff and think "god, that Bucky stuff sure is wild and kooky!" You don't have time to read the emails, but you do have time to make a mess on the floor. >So please forgive me for not being as special in my communication >as you. No, I don't think I'll forgive you any time soon. I think I'll hold you accountable and document for all time what a nuisance you allowed yourself to be. First by holding on to the dome for a robber baron's price, dangling it in front of everyone's nose, promising them money if it got sold (so, how much have you contributed to WGI and BFI since the sale? -- remember your promises). Then by capitalizing on some scrawled note from Bucky, trying to parley that into something you could survive with. It's all very predictable and trite. But one still wonders how you could cheapen your evident friendship with the guy in this way. Wait until he dies, then announce to the world that you're Mr. Unitivity, the next act. >Exploration of the geometry of thinking is synergetics so no matter >what you say I am talking about synergetics no matter what I do. Right, so if I say the moon is made of green cheese, that's synergetics. Whoopee doo. >That is if you are a Fuller freak like me. Of course this is my synergetic >exploration, if you are so defensive as to always say to the new >people that I am not Fuller that is easy to see. I am a unitivitist the Plus you are not relaying his synergetics philosophy. You are piggy backing on your friendship with him, using his letter as some kind of implicit endorsement for ideas that will earn you eternal ridicule. Why do you do this to yourself? I'd think your own sense of self-preservation would tell you to be more careful. >only one in the world. Bucky liked me, if you do not then so be it. I don't think this is about who likes whom. It's about who is muddying the waters. This has been a real uphill battle, getting some recognition for Fuller's contribution. You're not helping. You're making it more difficult, by jumping on stage in your clown suit and running around tooting your own horn. That gets in the way of what really committed and busy people are attempting to accomplish -- and I'm not just talking about me (I know lots and lots of people working to advance design science -- all of them contributing way more than you have, even on a bad day). You're a road hog, a grand stander. You cheapen synergetics by trying to blend it with your unitivity garbage. >I am not trying to do anything but find out the truth about how >simple ways to explain the way the universe works and the simple way >to say it to others. Unitivity is a simple way to say that I am >in the same world with all others that they may think what ever they want and I can't imagine anyone disagreeing with this point, that we share a planet in a solar system (a "volume" as you call it). Most 6-year-olds have absorbed this insight. Why do you make such a big deal out of it, and about the fact that things go around other things? That's like publishing a book called "The Sky is Blue" and spending 200 pages telling us that you've discovered this truth for yourself, copyright 1999. I'd ignore it completely, except I'm concerned that people will see all your horn tooting about your connection with Bucky and jump to the (erroneous) conclusion that you typify the average student of the Fuller syllabus. It's like if I were the dean of a college and one of the alumni goes around spitting wads of tobacco in public places, urinating on the bus, and claiming this is what he learned to do in my institution of higher learning. How will this impact my school's reputation? Most people just tell me to ignore the whole problem -- just a minor footnote. But you can't blame me for being just a little concerned -- especially if you're sending all this crap to Stephen Hawking, making us the laughing stock of Cambridge. I turn red with embarrassment just thinking about it. They must think I'm just another one of those oblivious numbskulls like MSM. Why should I forgive this kind of negative PR, when so many people are working so hard to make something valuable out of Fuller's legacy? >I will not fight with them, for I am a person that unites all ideas into one >and the gestation rates of humans on the planet should allow all truths to be >equal in history as long as they are not hurting anyone physically and that How about metaphysically? Are you willing to even consider the notion that you're acting irresponsibly and damaging others as a consequence? We all share a planet, right? Unitivity and all that. So how about you take that to heart -- your own favorite teaching? Learn to share in a clean and ethical manner for a change. Grow up (even at 55, it's not too late). >all people are created equal in the same volume of reality that the earth >is a volume and has a weight do to precessional as well as all other >forms of energy, this gives a person the freedom to be one with all >without a fight. This means that a person is interdiciplinary with the The freedom to just do as he damn well pleases, right? Regardless of how this might impact others. That's your code of ethics apparently. Plus you live in a "getaway boat" so if things get ugly, you can just head out to sea, cut and run. I think we should name your craft the "USS Cowardly". The opposite of what Bucky was about. He stood his ground and fought for a bright future, at great personal expense. There's no "getaway boat" for humanity. We're just going in circles. Either we shape up and make our planet ship shape, or we perish for lack of a quality education. Utopia or oblivion. Grabby title. Stark choice. >ideas of education and that all information should >be shared and studied and united as much as possible. >This makes for comprehensive learning and simple awareness >of truth, and that one should be honest so as to be in harmony with >the way the principles of the universe which are all precessional. You're just blowing hot air. You think if you string together words like truth, education, shared, united, comprehensive, that we should all just be bowled over by the beautiful music of it all. But hey, it's really easy to make pretty speeches. But what does it all mean, if you then turn around and mail your word-farts to Stephen Hawking? >One has a clean clear orbit with all else as a unitivitist and includes >never excludes. To do more with less in order to be more simple and >one with the universe, do not pollute etc.LOve everyone and stop Everyone pollutes. Excrement is part of the cosmic cycle. Unitivity is living proof of this fact. At that level, I guess I can learn to live with it. We'll recycle your toxic waste, scatter it back to the elements. >the investment in killingry and put it into livingry and support >world game to do this. By the way I have to send out a check to the >bfi and the world game before the year ends. Yes, that would be the least you could do, after all your promises. I'm surprised you've held back for so long. I hope you put your money where you mouth is and give generously. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:47:43 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Unitivity In-Reply-To: <382F09BD.40B77CB4@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Yawn but Sonny stated he has seen it in his files.This copy right was in >1967- before you ever heard of bucky. So? Ed keeps just about everything. His apartment is a memory palace, every room stacked with folders and boxes full of papers. >Yawn is all you can do. Are you surprised? You repeat yourself over and over and over. Back in the days of turntables, we'd say "the needle is stuck". But kids today don't always know what that means anymore. >I hate this attack method to use each other as a form of communication and >not the facts of science. so I am signing off for now. This is to social and >that makes for a big yawn. You may please try and focus on the >science not the persons. You're being hypocritical. You focus on your relationship with Bucky and make that mean something, in terms of the credibility you want people to attach to your stuck needle philosophy. Then you whine and complain about my making this be about relationships. But according to your own philosophy, we share a planet. As per my previous post, I think think you're doing real damage by putting out all this negative spin PR around the Fuller School, mailing your tasteless word-mush to busy people like Stephen Hawking. >You have still not named me one non precessional event in the universe. >Please tell me what you think precesssion is. >Do you have an idea of what it is? Here's from my website: Separately islanded systems in a tensive medium precess one another. A spinning system does not have to yield ground at 90 degrees by simply "falling in" as when meteors give up the ghost and crash into the Earth's atmosphere, heating to umpteen degrees, evaporating to become atmosphere. Large spinning axials, when tugged at, tend to yield in some sideways direction. A gyroscope tilts in a plane perpendicular to the line of force. This sidewise yielding is what humans need to learn about when they set out to operationally produce wealth in their local energy harvesting units. Simple tugging does not necessarily yield simple results. All systems are interprecessing. No straight lines. Everything is affected by everything else. Things are normally in motion, accelerating, always. Clear? >> I think your interpretation of Kepler's law is false, and your >> claim that Bucky believed as you do regarding that law is >> likewise false. > >I did not say bucky believed that way I do, I thought this myself itis my Actually, you did. We can go back and find the claim. >idea to take nano sweep outs of the Keplerain laws in an >omni directional sense. I stated that I thought bucky had also thought of >the planets sweeping out equal areas. Equal areas in equal times -- for the same planet, not for all planets compared to each other. >I see this is true for each planet, I always wondered if it was true >for all of them on a nano level, this is my idea. It is not Except in your last post you immediately changed your claim when confronted with contradictory data. Your new claim is that if we add up all the spin inside each planet (each atom), then maybe we get some sweepout equivalence. This is a whole new theory, plus it contradicts the idea that each atom alone is doing the same areal sweepout, because now you want to count the atom sweepout as part of the planet's -- somehow (you don't say how, as your idea is to keep fudging your thinking so you can die with a smile on your face, thinking "gestation rates" applies to you too (I wish it did)). >> >Where is your ideas and state them. >> >> I've done so at length already. >> With out content I may add and boring occurs to all of us. You've added your own words after the >>. You are very sloppy with this quoting thing. > >> I bet. > >SO thank you for your thoughts, and keep up the good work.Hope to see what >Dr. Hawking has to say about nano sweep outs. I cringe when I think he might actually read your email. >To all a good night. :-) Hope that I am not in bad taste with my ideas. I think you have horrible taste. I'm going downstairs to rinse with Listerine. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:38:39 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: Global energy distribution MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > in 1966 and 67 the idea of making a wire from one pole to the other > came about and that it may be that a flow of electricity may occur > if primed because the earth is like a big electric motor. This was > Michael Riversong is an expert on Tesla he may know. > Check out my site he is on my site top right first page. Aren't you talking about an "N-machine?" (brief description, a cylindrical magnet and a conductive disk which, when spun, allows a current to flow at the edge. Look up details on http://www.keelynet.com or http://www.eskimo.com/~billb ) There is a LOT of Keely and Tesla information available on those sites. BTW: Newton, himself, invented this particular device. -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:57:39 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >You must agree that all humans are on earth and that the volume Actually, on what do you base this statement? Religious doctrine? (Personally, I'm Christian and believe that we humans are exclusive to this world. I'm just presenting an opposing view. Bucky never took things "for granted," so why should we?) Who is to say that humans have not been transplanted onto other worlds, or perhaps that we did not originate elsewhere? > people read your stuff and think "god, that Bucky stuff sure > is wild and kooky!" Well, Bucky stuff always *has* been wild and kooky, like his weird little domes and that strange pair of rowing needles. Michael might be right, and be heralded as a visionary. He might be wrong and be called a kook. But, if I understand Bucky's philosophy, we need to allow him to explore his "kooky" ideas, and see what comes of them. > But you can't blame me for being just a little concerned -- > especially if you're sending all this crap to Stephen Hawking, Stephen? Oh...I've always wanted to meet him -- I'd love to hear his views on Miguel Alcubierre's propulsion theories. (Alcubierre published a "wacko" theory which was mathematically sound, on the way a warp in spacetime could function as something akin to Star Trek's warp drive.) -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:25:47 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. In-Reply-To: <19991114.220050.-262735.1.c.knight@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Well, Bucky stuff always *has* been wild and kooky, like his weird >little domes and that strange pair of rowing needles. Michael >might be right, and be heralded as a visionary. He might be wrong >and be called a kook. But, if I understand Bucky's philosophy, we >need to allow him to explore his "kooky" ideas, and see what >comes of them. Sure, he should be allowed to explore as much as he likes. I just don't want Bucky's stuff to come bundled as a package with this other guy's stuff in some "buy one, get one free" deal. The two products are miles apart in the supermarket. MSM seems to think a letter from Bucky means he can shrink-wrap the two philosophies together and arbitrarily confuse the two. Bucky had a lot of self-discipline. Even if his ideas were sometimes unusual, he went to a lot of work to up the plausibility level (the little/big domes and strange rowing needles actually worked, after all). I don't see that MSM shares any of these valuable traits. Just another buffoon -- a dime a dozen on the internet. Anyway, I've said my piece. Every so often I file my counterspins to MSM's spins for posterity (I feel it's a job that needs doing -- maybe someone else wants to relieve me here). Time to move on to more enjoyable tasks. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 06:32:27 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Matthew Davidchuk Subject: Re: Global energy distribution MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A follow-up to my first request: With regard to the Tesla through-the-earth transmission I found something which may be of interest to Bucky enthusiasts. (I haven't studied electrical engineering or physics so hope this is not stating the obvious.) Tesla claimed that the loss of energy through the transmission medium, the earth, would be minimal. The resistance of a conductor is proportional to its length and inversely proportional to its cross-sectional area. A normal wire is a cylindrical conductor. By using a 'spherical wire' you can lower the resistance by making it larger. A huge sphere, like the earth, would have an extremely low resistance even if it were completely made of a good insulator. The big problem is not loss of energy through the earth but getting the current from your generating station into the earth. I'm not sure what the definition of a super-conductor is (what percentage loss of energy qualifies as a super-conductor) but if the numbers that I have seen conjectured are true then the earth might be one. To me this seems similar to the geodesic dome idea using the simple but amazing geometry of the circle and sphere. Matthew Davidchuk ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:59:24 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: Global energy distribution MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Tesla claimed that the loss of energy through the > transmission medium, the earth, would be minimal. > The resistance of a conductor is proportional to its > length and inversely proportional to its > cross-sectional area. A normal wire is a cylindrical Resistance is also affected by frequency. What Tesla did was to experimentally determine the resonant frequency of the earth, and pulse power into it at that frequency. From memory, it was something like 4.7Hz -- might be wrong on that number. He used this analogy to explain it. It's like pushing a child on a swing. Each push adds a minimal amount of energy to their motion, but added together, and at the right frequency (i.e. not pushing at the wrong time) the results speak for themselves. > The big problem is not loss of energy through the > earth but getting the current from your generating > station into the earth. See above. He set up a wave within the earth, which bounced aorund inside the earth from side to side, and then "pushed" at the right time -- he was able to maintain a huge potential with only minimal losses. > I'm not sure what the definition of a super-conductor > is (what percentage loss of energy qualifies as a > super-conductor) but if the numbers that I have seen > conjectured are true then the earth might be one. As I understand it, a superconductor has *no* resistance -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:52:12 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Global energy distribution <> Brian Hutchings 15-NOV-1999 8:52 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us it may well have superconducting *layers*; that may be a good criterium for determining which of the layers of the mantle really *are* solid (crystalline), and which may fantastically be "liquid". thus quoth: earth but getting the current from your generating station into the earth. --Borne in a Banke! http://www.tarpley.net/bush1.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:48:11 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "P. O. Box 2321" Subject: syn-l and geo list owners Comments: To: Synergetics Listserv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been using computers since 1975. I am not given to spreading false alarms about computer viruses. There are new computer viruses which can be activated by reading e-mail while using some of the most popular e-mail programs. These viruses do not require executing a program or opening attachment: merely opening the e-mail does the trick. More information can be found at... http://www.icsa.net/services/consortia/anti-virus/news.shtml ... in the mean time, I recommend the owners of the synergetics list and the geodesic list make it impossible for HTML e-mail to be sent to these lists. I recommend users turn off the HTML features of their e-mail programs. - Trevor -- Post Office Box 2321 Portland OR 97208-2321 USA http://www.box2321.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:24:03 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "P. O. Box 2321" Subject: Performance of "Bucky" in NYC Comments: cc: Synergetics Listserv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII See URL for details on ArtSci99... http://www.asci.org/artsci99/index.html ... I am sad that the perfect artist (sculpture) / scientist (atoms) who even lives in the area, Kenneth Snelson, is not listed as attending. - Trevor Blake -- Post Office Box 2321 Portland OR 97208-2321 USA http://www.box2321.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:24:32 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: FW: Excited In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Mark Siegmund > Reply-To: "Tetworld Global Advisory Committee" > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 04:53:43 -0800 > To: Global Advisory Committee , Tetglobal list > , Tetworld > Subject: FW: Excited > > Tetworld Global Advisory Committee - > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/advisory.html > > I received this private email from a member, and I thought it an excellent > distillation, full of energy and vision--so I thought I might share it with > you... > Mark > > >> Hey Mark, >> I looked over the tetworld game tonight, Seeing all the details involved >> for the first time. Upon looking it over I am very excited to get a game >> going. This sounds like a plan that would work for our entire planet. >> Eliminate governing pursuits altogether and co-ordinate with all others >> on everyones immediate needs. I would like to do whatever I can to get a >> game going right away. After viewing over the advisory board it looks as >> if we have enough people together to form the neccesary teems and pursue >> our first purpose. ? about belize, our there members residing in belize? >> .....Networking is the key my brother. The more people trying to >> bring about change we can link together the closer we will all get to >> our final goal. "AWORLD THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE" >> One thing I noticed about the tetrahedron is it infinite fractal >> design. It's a geometric model of the building blocks of the universe. >> So the structure of a check from every angle has a solid working >> history. Which I think will work amazingly. How will we be pursuing this >> game? Via chatroom, discussion forum, or actual program. I believe with >> the right co-ordination a chat-room would work. Or I saw the pages for >> each individual node, this could also work. But I think in the future we >> should look towards an actual working program where we could all connect >> and play. First thing we need to do though which Ive seen you've been >> trying to co-ordinate is a scheduled group discussion. >> How exactly get you get linked to sunstars site? I know of many >> other sites with much traffic where I could certainly draw in quite a >> few members. But I think we need to get a working game going before our >> membership board grows to much. >> You are cordially invited to visit and review the Tetworld Peace Through Development Project, and the new Tetworld GlobalGame Complex... -- Thanks, and, Regards, Mark Siegmund email: Tetworld@tripod.net Tetworld Center for Peace and Global Gaming Visit the Main Introductory Page, at: http://go.to/TetworldGlobalGame Visit the Tetworld Gaming Complex at: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/center.html Tetworld Systems and Gaming page at: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/+index.html Tetworld Center Global Advisory Committee, at: http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/advisory.html Award winning ezine"21st" (Tetrahedron and the Game article) http://www.vxm.com/link.siegmund.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:05:09 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: syn-l and geo list owners MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you ! P. O. Box 2321 wrote: > I have been using computers since 1975. I am not given to spreading false > alarms about computer viruses. > > There are new computer viruses which can be activated by reading e-mail > while using some of the most popular e-mail programs. These viruses do > not require executing a program or opening attachment: merely opening the > e-mail does the trick. More information can be found at... > > http://www.icsa.net/services/consortia/anti-virus/news.shtml > > ... in the mean time, I recommend the owners of the synergetics list and > the geodesic list make it impossible for HTML e-mail to be sent to these > lists. I recommend users turn off the HTML features of their e-mail > programs. > > - Trevor > > -- > Post Office Box 2321 Portland OR 97208-2321 USA > http://www.box2321.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:42:50 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your open mind, Kirby just can't take not being the prince of Fuller vile and making him king of the site. If anyone comes in he puts a spin on it that he knows more than Bucky's family his friends and the only friend he has is Ed Applewhite that seems to back him for using his book on his site. I do not see how Ed can back someone that has openly gone against Bucky's own family and the bfi and letters that prove in his bucky's own hand writing that I am accepted as someone that can speak for myself relative to bucky and other ideas. I wrote Unitivity in 1967 and gave it to Bucky first and he liked the attempt to put in order my ideas. It inspired him to invent the word synergy a few weeks latter. Before that he used the word anti -entropy you can see it in his books and then it changes to syntropy. Anyway Kirby is just a bad vibe that will not learn to share the spot light with anyone concerning his opinion. You can see how tormented he is with anyone that has a little input that he can not control. Him and his Hitler list that he kicked me off of for just giving my opinion. I like a lot of his ideas when he copies Fuller but his own are all insults. Please Kirby just share ideas not insults. It is not worth the trouble to write about it, and a waste of time for all of us to have to listen. Show me where in synergetics a volume that is considered the unitivity volume I speak of is. Then show me one event in the universe that does not sweep out area. I have stated that the nano level of sweep out in a new idea and it is mine. I* have never seen it anywhere else. Ever. I have been sitting on the idea since 1967 and have not seen it anywhere except in the 2nd law of angular momentum of Kepler and that was before F= MV. This is way back there before nano was considered capable of sweep out. Every event such as in string theory but in my case it is conservation of entropy theory can be explained by area sweep out much like the decibel system. It is only a change in radii length in motion. This makes for an omni directional angular momentum way of calculating the reason for the 92 elements, all masses packaged in to area sweep out precessinal events. Please attack the science not the scientist. IT makes us look bad for you to be so violent over here on this list. Keep it to your own list if you just want to insult people please. I do not insult people I insult their ideas, like copying world game by Geni, or you spamming your site over here all the time. Or your insulting the Fuller family all the time for asking you to leave the bfi for being the big brat that you are. You just do not have the humility to say you are sorry when you are wrong and this goes a long way in saying how disturbed you are with your life. Please lets be friends and just talk about the science. I have stated that the freeze frame synergetics of topology is only available in the real world as when it is in spin, this means that all your models put on axis and spun the speed of light will give you different areas of sweep out on the nano level and that "as I have always stated where they are in equal sweep out as other more primitive radii that is where to look. " The volume of sweep out is by 8 the areas are at 4 the radii is halved it is attracted 4 times more between masses, that are made of area nano precessional sweep outs. The speed of the area being swept out makes for different elements and volumes of hallooed precession. This is what makes all events as volumes from micro to macro. The V of area swept at C is equal to the radii length times the speed of sweep. The constant of area swept is what I am asking Doctor Hawking. So please let him speak to me on the list without your harassment. You just want to hog the show here and get him on your list so you can brag to everyone about it. SO shut up and go away. I could have ask him alone but I wanted to share this with all of you so we might have some fun. Stay out of it except for the science please. YOu are being a big brat again. Thank you. Michael S. Mitchell {Mickey} :-) Charles J Knight wrote: > > >You must agree that all humans are on earth and that the volume > > Actually, on what do you base this statement? Religious doctrine? > > (Personally, I'm Christian and believe that we humans are > exclusive to this world. I'm just presenting an opposing view. > Bucky never took things "for granted," so why should we?) > > Who is to say that humans have not been transplanted onto > other worlds, or perhaps that we did not originate elsewhere? > > > people read your stuff and think "god, that Bucky stuff sure > > is wild and kooky!" > > Well, Bucky stuff always *has* been wild and kooky, like his weird > little domes and that strange pair of rowing needles. Michael > might be right, and be heralded as a visionary. He might be wrong > and be called a kook. But, if I understand Bucky's philosophy, we > need to allow him to explore his "kooky" ideas, and see what > comes of them. > > > But you can't blame me for being just a little concerned -- > > especially if you're sending all this crap to Stephen Hawking, > > Stephen? Oh...I've always wanted to meet him -- I'd love to hear > his views on Miguel Alcubierre's propulsion theories. (Alcubierre > published a "wacko" theory which was mathematically sound, on > the way a warp in spacetime could function as something akin to > Star Trek's warp drive.) > > -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:18:52 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles J Knight wrote: > > >You must agree that all humans are on earth and that the volume > > Actually, on what do you base this statement? Religious doctrine? > Science. > (Personally, I'm Christian and believe that we humans are > exclusive to this world. I'm just presenting an opposing view. > Bucky never took things "for granted," so why should we?) > I was born Christian and went to church for 11 years with out mission one sunday once.I then ran into Fuller and studied him for 16 years and stopped going to church. I thought it was not a fact that if I was not in church that I could go to heaven. I then learned Albert Einstein's ideas and was married by a fiend of his Paul Schillp in a dome on the lake at SIU in Carbondale. I traveled with bucky from 1966 to when he died in 1983 I was with him and had supper alone with him after he spoke to the world affairs conference in Washington DC his last year alive and at the large convention center event Integrity day at LA. When I last saw him and Anne alive. I was taking up the big map alone everyone else had gone to see him in another room. After I took out the north pole and started on north america some others begin to help. I was wearing my red jacket from Bali. You can see me in the video sweeping the little red radii of atomic bombs up ( flat earth Up word, ha ) when you see the video of integrity day. That was the last day I saw him and Anne some how deep I knew it? Anne was very frail and precession was a foot. When she came along the isle to go on stage I was in my chair on the front row that I sit for years on end. The right front seat facing the stage as she went by me to go on stage she stated you are always here and smiled. I met her and bucky as they were leaving and she had this very big smile on her face. The first thing said, " was by I and I stated you sure have a beautiful smile. Bucky stated do you know how much I love you as Jamie gave me an arm around my neck. I stated it is equal and he stated I was looking for you and did not see you and I stated i was working on the map to get it out. They stated take care and so did I and that was the last time we saw each other. Anyway. > Who is to say that humans have not been transplanted onto > other worlds, or perhaps that we did not originate elsewhere? > What I am saying in my conservation of entropy crap is that precession of area sweep outis a motion of volumes of gravity in all sizes that can form anything with only the change of radii with the same stuff. That humans being water and carbon etc., are in a certain gravity state that makes for the area swept resultant that we are, IF you have the same area in different radii anywhere else it may not be humans, but it is the same thing that makes anything, only the radii volumes make the differences like the 92 elements that we find in nature. SO god is radii resultants in all sizes only taken as one volume that I call the unitivity volume. This means that if you wish to establish yourself as information willing to Jesus as a factor of explanation then a unitivitist agrees with you for it is the same basic stuff that makes for what you think anyway, so you are not wrong you are making your right to your own radii explanation matrix. The history of thought and time are made of many explanations, the events and unitary event that is being explained is made of the same stuff and doing all the time the same principlicly. My point is that a unitivitist allows this to be the explanation for it, this allows people freedom of religion and theory. Jesus could not build a computer but his laws of human behavior and the 10 commandments allow man to count and get along without eating each other so fast. This is just as big a jump as the unified field theory. In respect to allowing us to live together. Without this you would not have schools and respect for human life, so in effect it is as important as the unified field theory. This goes for Buddha, Confucius, Mohammed, all of them along the path of social and scientific ladders. Man is a monkey that has to be trained as a whole in ways to allow the mind to take charge of the world around us so we may live as a whole on earth as one family under the great rules of the universe of truth. We have to have one management of the earth to survive or we will poison our self and kill each other with our technological weapons. This is why I have invented the idea of unitivity. This is a matric for the mind to file the physical world in a way to allow the whole to integrate without need of fighting. The schools should have the unitific method. Put all knowledge together and be comprehensivists. > > people read your stuff and think "god, that Bucky stuff sure > > is wild and kooky!" > > Well, Bucky stuff always *has* been wild and kooky, like his weird > little domes and that strange pair of rowing needles. Michael > might be right, and be heralded as a visionary. He might be wrong > and be called a kook. But, if I understand Bucky's philosophy, we > need to allow him to explore his "kooky" ideas, and see what > comes of them. > He is only wild and kooky to those that are special in thinking and closed mindedas Kirby is to me and bucky's family I may add. > > But you can't blame me for being just a little concerned -- > > especially if you're sending all this crap to Stephen Hawking, > > Stephen? Oh...I've always wanted to meet him -- I'd love to hear > his views on Miguel Alcubierre's propulsion theories. (Alcubierre > published a "wacko" theory which was mathematically sound, on > the way a warp in spacetime could function as something akin to > Star Trek's warp drive.) > > I am not afraid to speak the truth to anyone and that is what people like Hawking knows or he could not be where he is.At first I did not like him and now that I see how his mind has such leverage on the world as a person that is seemingly out of this world but so deep in it that he can now make some real strides for humanity. It is sort of having someone back as Einstein and can re make the history for the future ahead of time, this is why I am taking this step, to show him my ideas and see if he sees the step, I see string theory in the paper and I see it a time that is ripe to show my cards and say look at this area sweep out at nano levels I have to get off the electricity here is starting to waver and i may loose this whole letter on the screen, there is a large electric drop on and off so bye for now ! > -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:01:49 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. In-Reply-To: <3833D82A.F4568123@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Or your insulting the Fuller family all the time for asking you to leave >the bfi for being the big brat that you are. Nobody asked me to leave the bfi and I'm not insulting Fuller's family all the time. I don't have negative relationships with most people working in this field -- just with you. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:14:12 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. In-Reply-To: <3833E09B.DA5399D7@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >He is only wild and kooky to those that are special in thinking and >closed mindedas Kirby is to me and bucky's family I may add. > No, I only have a problem with you. I've described the soap opera around BFI in some detail on this list (board member resignations, lots of strongly worded letters, both email and snailmail). I was one player among many. Even after this I became the BFI's first webmaster and a whole issue of 'TrimTab' was pretty much devoted to the website I created and coordinated with Kiyoshi (Allegra did most of the work on this issue herself, teaching herself PageMaker in the process). You've simplified it all so that you can cast yourself as a hero of some kind, a defender (even though you weren't active at the time -- your name never came up during any of this trauma and drama). But that chapter is long finished by now. I have no plans to revisit it. Kirby Here's a letter to me from then president of BFI, after I finished my term as volunteer webmaster: === Dear Kirby, On behalf of the Board of Directors and the staff at Buckminster Fuller Institute, I would like to thank you for your enormous contribution to furthering the work of Buckminster Fuller at the BFI through your creation and maintenance of www.bfi.org. The presence of the web site is one of the most tangible demonstrations of both Bucky's vision and our ability to articulate and facilitate this vision now and tomorrow. It is our most sincere hope that you will continue to be an active part of the team. Your knowledge of this tool and understanding of its resources and potential is unparalled. We are pleased to let you know that we are in the process of making a final decision about the next Webmaster, which we hope will be in place early in 1997. Again, we send our unbounded thanks for your tireless work on all our behalf. Sincerely, Hans Meyer President === ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:16:30 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >You must agree that all humans are on earth and that the volume > > > > Actually, on what do you base this statement? Religious doctrine? > > Science. Michael, what scientific methodology is used to prove that we, the species Homo Sapiens, are unique to this planet? I know of no way to say *absolutely* that we are or are not unique to this world. Like I said before -- just playing Devil's advocate. -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:59:09 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not so sure of what you are observing that I am. I see us as monkeys that have eaten what is around us and made tools. The area sweep out of each and every element that makes us and the food and the horizon of elements that turn into a sun particle in orbit of 5 billion years that we have gestated into the Darwin communicating monkeys that we are and the tools that we have made of the elements around us, to stop killing and eating each other has come to the point in time today. I see all religions and great profits along the way as part of the evolution from and to each point in space and time in which the gestation rates of communication and experience has taken us. The truth is still the truth. If other planets are like ours and other monkeys may be there as well. It is a precessional evolution of gravity volumes that give pressures of levels of area sweep outs that cause the different volumes in inertia and leverages of spin and radii speeds that make it all, god has one radii the unitivity radii that all happens within and without. It is possible to have radii get fat and become volumes of any kind. Radii may bend. But all in all the area will be there that is swept out. This is the main factor in my idea that is new. Area sweep out at nano level relative to the macro sweep outs. Whether other humans are out there is no great concern to make the ones here on earth love each other more to the point that we can succeed in making this planet work while we die anyway. I hope there are others but no one knows yet. The bet is high that it is possible but what if there is or isn't what counts is making life stick here on earth by design science. Charles J Knight wrote: > > > > >You must agree that all humans are on earth and that the volume > > > > > > Actually, on what do you base this statement? Religious doctrine? > > > > Science. > > Michael, what scientific methodology is used to prove that we, the > species Homo Sapiens, are unique to this planet? I know of no > way to say *absolutely* that we are or are not unique to this world. > > Like I said before -- just playing Devil's advocate. > > -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:23:13 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "P. O. Box 2321" Subject: Re: Performance of "Bucky" in NYC Comments: To: Synergetics Listserv In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, P. O. Box 2321 wrote: > ... I am sad that the perfect artist (sculpture) / scientist (atoms) who > even lives in the area, Kenneth Snelson, is not listed as attending. I stand corrected: I am told Kenneth Snelson was a part of this event. -- Post Office Box 2321 Portland OR 97208-2321 USA http://www.box2321.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:40:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why is it then that everyone in the bfi hates you? No one wants to hear your name spoken it is a sin there. You turned on the bfi big time and they do not defend themselves for they will not bend that low to deal with the likes of you. I came along because I have always been the bucky garbage man and point out the idea that all the board and you that rebelled was wrong no matter what, you were all wrong for bucky gave it to his family not to a bunch of hanger on-ers like you. SO get over it and say you are sorry that you treated them like dirt. You have to admit that Stanford is the best option here on the coast and like Allegra stated bucky always thought the West Coast is the best place for the future to be stored for it is open to the future for it is the newest past. The north west spiral of humanities critical path has come to the California coast, when you go on around you go back into history farthest. The new world is now in the water to the Pacific in the south west Californian coast, where the weather is clear and fair all year. No storms that can not be dealt with. No cyclones or hurricanes. Kirby Urner wrote: > >Or your insulting the Fuller family all the time for asking you to leave > >the bfi for being the big brat that you are. > > Nobody asked me to leave the bfi and I'm not insulting Fuller's > family all the time. I don't have negative relationships with > ^^^^^^^^ just most the time right! > most people working in this field -- just with you. > How about Riversong, and the Fuller family, you just have Applewhite and your advertisement of the books rightor Jay Baldwin and his advertisement of his pillow dome. I advertised my dome to make a park out of it, so I do not mind. But when you use your association with them because of your net skills to bang and bash the bfi and Fuller's family, they hate you for this. You name is forbidden to be sounded around them for you turned on them with malice. Big deal you can put out sites all over the place with your free band width with your site and try to mass message it away from others to see the real you. Any way I want to speak about the unified field motion of the universe and you butt in with all this noise that has nothing to do with it. If you take the mass of a planet does that planet have area sweep out of its nano Keplerian micro angular momentum in the same time equal to any other area of sweep out that it is associated with in precession. Where they are equal is the place to look for. This can show an under lying order that can demonstrate the unified field theory mathematically, I suppose. This is my idea. That is what I am focusing on here with Mr. Hawking if you did not scare him off already with your jealous rage. It is possible that if you add the radii of the moons and the nano mass of the moons along with all the planets suns orbits that all the nano level areas can, along with the sun areas be the same. This is not yet known. The areas of the nano particles may have a spin as well but if they are close this all may be the new way of seeing the unified field theory at work. That is all I am trying to get at with out any more bs about who or what thank you. It is not so bad to make certain where we all stand, so I do not really mind the bs, go ahead if you want on second thought it allows everyone to see who and what which is really important I suppose. :-) (c) Copyright 1999 M.S. Mitchell > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:54:15 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby Urner wrote: > >He is only wild and kooky to those that are special in thinking and > >closed mindedas Kirby is to me and bucky's family I may add. > > > > No, I only have a problem with you. > > I've described the soap opera around BFI in some detail on this > list (board member resignations, lots of strongly worded letters, > both email and snailmail). > > I was one player among many. Even after this I became the BFI's > first webmaster and a whole issue of 'TrimTab' was pretty much > devoted to the website I created and coordinated with Kiyoshi > (Allegra did most of the work on this issue herself, teaching > herself PageMaker in the process). > > You've simplified it all so that you can cast yourself as a hero > of some kind, a defender (even though you weren't active at the > time -- your name never came up during any of this trauma and > drama). But that chapter is long finished by now. I have no > plans to revisit it. > > Kirby > > Here's a letter to me from then president of BFI, after I finished > my term as volunteer webmaster: > > === > > Dear Kirby, > > On behalf of the Board of Directors and the staff at Buckminster Fuller > Institute, I would like to thank you for your enormous contribution to > furthering the work of Buckminster Fuller at the BFI through your creation > and maintenance of www.bfi.org. The presence of the web site is one of the > most tangible demonstrations of both Bucky's vision and our ability to > articulate and facilitate this vision now and tomorrow. It is our most > sincere hope that you will continue to be an active part of the team. Your > knowledge of this tool and understanding of its resources and potential is > unparalled. > > We are pleased to let you know that we are in the process of making a final > decision about the next Webmaster, which we hope will be in place early in > 1997. > > Again, we send our unbounded thanks for your tireless work on all our behalf. > > Sincerely, > > Hans Meyer > President > > ===Here is my letter from bucky- http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html Of course you have one some where but you just can't find it??? Why because god sees you and he is hiding it. Look the bfi hates you so what do you do to some one as dangerous as you, write a niece letter to get them out of here with the least mess. You were the only one that knew how to use a computer at the time. You were in the right place at the right time, but you are not patient enough to wait for gestation rates to happen, this is the big beef of all of you office people at the time, when the drama etc. IT is not the first time and we are all monkeys that chatter like you all did anyway. In the end the BFI did the right thing and all is well. It was not wrong to do what they did and you all must eat crow now that is all. Forget about it and get along with my unified field theory of unitivity. Name one thing you have invented. WE SHOULD ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO THINK without excuses why to ignore. To think that the ideas of man are going to stand still are crazy, little motions of thought some times makes for ages of knowledge. I have to work on my boat now, Sea ya! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:21:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. In-Reply-To: <383696BF.9B307E9C@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:40 PM 11/20/99 +0000, you wrote: >Why is it then that everyone in the bfi hates you? That's not my experience, but then it's none of your business anyway. >not to a bunch of hanger on-ers like you. SO get over it and say >you are sorry that you treated them like dirt. You have to admit You live in a dream world. Enjoy. End of story. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:23:52 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. In-Reply-To: <383699F7.2A5511A5@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Name one thing you have invented. Hypertoons: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/hypertoon.html >WE SHOULD ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO THINK without Try it sometime, you might enjoy it. >excuses why to ignore. To think that the ideas of man >are going to stand still are crazy, little motions of thought some times >makes for ages of knowledge. > >I have to work on my boat now, Sea ya! Not too soon I hope. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:43:07 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would have to be mad not to state that the models freeze frame made by struck is not art and fine images of possible freeze frame event awareness. Hyper toon must be that hyper is always the inside of the view. Para toon would be outside I would suppose. These volumes are in the book and part of the methodology of the logic of synergetic modeling. Your inspiration to name your site 4 D of course is another rip off of the name of Fullers first article in 1924 or so. I love the stuff do not get me wrong. I love the modeling and the new tech views of the computer to do so. When they are spun as in the real world that goes the speed of light but slowly so we can measure the radii area sweep out of each radii when not isotropic will be a great break through. My point is that all volumes have light speed and the radii inwhich they do this is what differs. This makes for the radii trail of difference in the physical world giving the different volume fields of pattern and aberration within unitivity. This is a syntrific event for each of us always. The physical the metaphysical and us. The volumes in axis shall also sweep out a volume trail this would be formed always by the radii of other volumes until all volume is filled. Volume is filled with gravity or radiation. Both always have a volume and are high and low tide of the unitivity volume. Polar complementary reciprocities. All energy can be explained with the E = Area swept.C triangle. A or E=AC2. Mass becomes area swept in the same time. The more sweep the heavier etc. Density and volume are all variable, the area swept is sweeping always the same speed only the radii changes to make all events in any volume. The speed of a radii make stay the same but it's radii may get longer allowing for more area with the same speed. All the universe events are compound area radii events of precession therefor with the constant of light = Conservation of entropy theory. I like this better than string theory in the big bang. I commend you on your site of models and that you have given the names of others. This is great. Thank you. MSM I never said you are all bad. I agree with most everything that you copy. I like the word hyper toon, or toon at least. The para or hyper depends on the out or in of a systems curvature I would suppose if this is what you mean? Thank you. If I were you I would erase all the defending sites of your past with others for you are very one sided with them. You should have been a lawyer for your ability to make a thin object look large is something to behold. The manager of this site has made the best models that I have seen of some what like circles that make spheres in the sense of precessional compound volumes. This is more like out of G force models that I think and if I had the ability and tools to use would make and look at. Spin all your models volumes and the percentage of area swept out by all the radii of each system and it particular volumation would be of great interest in my mind. Thank you and congratulations for making these with your friends I in no way do not respect you ability to do these. Your first site for the bfi is a great thing as well, the use of it as to take away the control of the family of bucky is what went wrong with all of your associates that participated. Ezra Pound was for Hitler for a while and was just swept up in the sweep out momentum so please just apologize and go on. I know you will not for you are not humble in anyway. Now get your hatchet out and start chopping. My message of my ideas is all I am interested in making public so when I die which will be sooner than latter someone will have seen my ideas somewhere. That is a right that I feel all of us should have. Let us please just talk ideas not who should be president of hate. Kirby Urner wrote: > >Name one thing you have invented. > > Hypertoons: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/hypertoon.html > > >WE SHOULD ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO THINK without > > Try it sometime, you might enjoy it. > > >excuses why to ignore. To think that the ideas of man > >are going to stand still are crazy, little motions of thought some times > >makes for ages of knowledge. > > > >I have to work on my boat now, Sea ya! > > Not too soon I hope. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:24:13 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: worldvoid of the unified field theory of mine unitivity. In-Reply-To: <3836F9CA.46AFE388@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:43 PM 11/20/99 +0000, you wrote: >I would have to be mad not to state that the models freeze frame made >by struck is not art and fine images of possible freeze frame event >awareness. I'm not writing about Struck. However, I'd disagree. Karl especially has done some work I'd consider art. >Hyper toon must be that hyper is always the inside of the view. >Para toon would be outside I would suppose. >These volumes are in the book and part of the methodology of the logic >of synergetic modeling. > I used synergetics as my primary example of appropriate content, yes. >Your inspiration to name your site 4 D of course is another rip off of the >name of Fullers first article in 1924 or so. It's an obvious allusion, yes. I tell people this is where I got '4D' from. Clearly I've been influenced by Fuller, duh. >within unitivity. This is a syntrific event for each of us always. >The physical the metaphysical and us. The volumes in axis shall also You view is not inconsistent with the Newtonian view of Universe as a giant clock. You have big slow turning gears and little fast turning ones. But they're all meshed together. >with the constant of light = Conservation of entropy theory. >I like this better than string theory in the big bang. But for it to really be a theory, it needs to have some experimental data to back it up. You were going to do some research. Other posters (including myself) have offered numbers from the astronomical tables. If your theory has merit, we should be able to verify at least some aspect of it. >I commend you on your site of models and that you have given >the names of others. This is great. Thank you. >MSM Thanks. >I never said you are all bad. I agree with most everything that you copy. >I like the word hyper toon, or toon at least. The para or hyper depends >on the out or in of a systems curvature I would suppose if this is what you >mean? Thank you. If I were you I would erase all the defending sites I get "hyper" from "hyperlink" -- that which connects one web page to another. The idea with hypertoons is we can develop webs on interconnected animated segments which terminate in a finite number of share key frames (nodes). When you're watching a hypertoon, you see smooth, continuous action, with no pauses. You see some segments repeated (if you watch long enough). You're mostly aware of things transforming into each other, possibly at high speed. Certainly synergetics feeds this awareness, and people would become familiar with the content on some level just by watching a few minutes of such a display. >to do these. Your first site for the bfi is a great thing as well, the use >of it as to take away the control of the family of bucky is what went wrong >with all of your associates that participated. Ezra Pound was for Hitler >for a while and was just swept up in the sweep out momentum so >please just apologize and go on. Like you, I'm happy to see the archives moved to Stanford. I don't think it really matters, in terms of scholarship, what my relationship with Fuller's immediate family is, was, or will be. Anyone is free to do as I do, as you do also, which is to study whatever is accessible, and make use of it, help explain it. The the university world, teachers make a living teaching this or that subject, but may have no personal contact with any living members of a thinker's family. People teach about Picasso, Rembrandt, George Fox, Voltaire, Ada Byron and so on, but maybe don't know who can still trace their family line directly to one of this figures. I don't think the huge numbers of people inspired by Fuller, wanting to make a difference using some of his ideas, should be forced to channel their focus through any narrow bottle neck, in order to receive some official stamp of approval, meaning they have to join some large family network of affiliates, some sprawling dynastic structure -- more like what we'd find in the wake of a Chinese Emporer. In my experience, Fuller was far more democratic than that, and counted on people to be resourceful. So whereas I think Allegra especially has done some good and sincere organizing to keep her dad's ideas in the public radar, I don't think we should view the burden of carrying forward as resting solely on the family's shoulders. This is not how history works. The normal thing is for families to be spared having to carry on the work of a luminary in their midst, and to live their own lives, enjoying the spectacle of others carrying the ball forward. Nor am I saying it depends on me, either. I just want to make it clear that I'm not acting like some inner circle celebrity. Nobody has to kiss my ass or win my approval to move ahead with whatever aspect of design science. I'm always on the lookout for collaborators, people who'd like to share the challenges, but not necessarily because of my "connections" or special status as some celebrity. I'm just some guy with a website. >I know you will not for you are not humble in anyway. >Now get your hatchet out and start chopping. I'm just trying to be clear. I don't think Fuller had any intention of founding a dynasty. While he was alive, he made every effort to involve his grandson as a partner, this is true. But design science isn't about creating some kind of Hollywood-style "who's who" of party-goers who call each other "darling" and bask in the reflected light of one another's fame. Friendships grow up in this field, no question, as scenarios partially overlap. But it's not required that you knew Fuller personally, or any of his family. That would exclude all the new life just coming on board -- and Fuller was always very committed to opening opportunities for new life. His work was for omnihumanity -- I actually take him at his word in this regard. >My message of my ideas is all I am interested in making public so when I die >which will be sooner than latter someone will have seen my ideas somewhere. >That is a right that I feel all of us should have. Let us please just talk >ideas not who should be president of hate. I understand your motivations. You've already made a contribution by doing all those audio tapes. It's not required that you also win a Nobel Prize for Unitivity, or go down in history in that way. You can shoot for the moon if you like though. You can also go to Las Vegas and bet the boat and everything you own on one roll of the dice. My view is you have already performed a service and that's sufficient. But if that's not enough for you, then no one will stop you broadcasting whatever ideas you like. My view is that you're defining a character in a dramatic sense -- people are getting a better sense of you as a real person. That's useful to scholarship because it gives us a lot more insight into the kinds of people Bucky allowed to be close to him on a regular bases. He was a gracious and unusual man. I'm not at all like Bucky, don't claim for a second to be like him. I'm not that gentle genius with the gravelly board room drawl or any of that. That was all trademarked Bucky. I call him the last of the New England Transcendentalists. That must mean I don't consider myself to be one of those myself -- and I don't (I'm not from New England in any case). I'm in many ways a product of a different age and time. I was born well after WWII. In any case, because I don't see Bucky founding a dynasty, nor an office or position that gets passed on from one age to the next, I certainly don't see myself as in any sense the "next Bucky". I don't think there will ever be a "next Bucky" and I'm certainly not on the lookout for one. Mostly, I think we live in a very dark age. Millions of people die of starvation, yet the food supply is adequate. Out of negligence and a sense of resignation, we've turned over the show to political leaders who don't have the foggiest idea how we got here or how to move us forward. This gross abdication of responsibility makes this age fair game for a total panning by the reviewers, by future generations. They'll shout "booooo!" when the see the late 20th Century on screen -- or just walk out in disgust. I'm working with the Hunger Project around documentary films that will be reminiscent of the ones we see from WWII. Lots of skeletal people, either still walking around or being thrown in large burial pits -- the victims of 20th century barbarism and brutality. There won't be any one "Hitler" to serve as a scapegoat for this vast slaughter of innocents, in which so many were complicit. But we will have Bucky's statements for contrast: he told us it didn't have to be this way, that we had an opportunity to bring this to an end. If we choose not to do so, then I have no problem with us all frying in hell for all eternity. See ya there. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:55:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: The M.A.N. from Hyposyntoonia? <> Brian Hutchings 21-NOV-1999 11:55 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us let Mikey say it -- he'll say anything, if it has "Bucky" associated with it! --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm thus quoth: Para toon would be outside I would suppose. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:19:50 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Q-P] Dalai Lama answers questions <> Brian Hutchings 21-NOV-1999 12:19 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us as a Christian, I really doo cherish the Bush Dynasty; as a republican, I have to "seek & destroy" it, politically (and metaphorically .-) please note that HU the Godking of the Holy Tibetan Empire has nicely ennumerated his list of 5 Q&A and 5-minute pratice, to the larger factor of the base of ten -- and two 5' practices, last 10' -- in order to stress the sacredness of that base, and the number of Hi Holy Fingers, and the extraspecialimportance of a Thousand Year Rei-- I mean, Period of Time! the Guy really carress! --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm --the book that Midnight Special Books cannot read (even if in print) thus quoth: five most important questions to be considered, moving into the new thus quoth: 4 Continue this practice no matter what happens or what anyone does to you. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:45:43 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: The B.O.Y.S. from Hyposyntoonia? <> Brian Hutchings 21-NOV-1999 12:45 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Watch out for Charlatans 4. What Defines a National Culture? Taiwan: A Case in Point The Matter of Culture Listening with "The Third Ear" Culture Begins with the Verb see http://www.larouchecampaign.org/pages/sovereigntycover.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:16:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: [Q-P] Dalai Lama answers questions In-Reply-To: <199911212019.MAA28162@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Dalai Lama: Tibetan independence not my aim (JP) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- By news agencies Jerusalem Post LOD (November 21) - Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, said yesterday he is not seeking Tibet's independence from China and stressed the importance of good relations with Beijing. "I'm not seeking independence. There is no single Tibetan interested in reaching our old system, or old way of life. No one is thinking or wishing that," he said at a news conference at Ben-Gurion Airport, after arriving here for a religious conference. The Dalai Lama fled Tibet in 1959 after it was occupied by Chinese Communist troops. Many in the region want independence, but Beijing insists Tibet is an historic part of China and uses heavy military force to keep it under control. Last month, China said it was willing to hold talks with the Dalai Lama if he stopped separatist activities, stopped advocating independence, and if he admitted Taiwan and Tibet are part of China. "So I'm not seeking independence. But the Chinese government has always accused me... still of seeking independence," he said. Tibet is "materially very backward" he added. "If we remain within the big nation, we might get greater benefit." Awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989, the Dalai Lama has said he favors negotiations for autonomy under Chinese rule that could preserve and promote Tibetan cultural, religious, and linguistic autonomy. The Dalai Lama also said yesterday that he hopes his five-day visit would not cause controversy between Israel and China. Knesset Speaker Avraham Burg has refused to bend to Chinese pressure to cancel a meeting with the exiled Tibetan leader on Wednesday, one day before Burg is slated to meet with the No. 2 in the Chinese Communist party's hierarchy, Li Peng. The Buddhist leader said he is eager to meet with Burg but does not want to stir up any trouble. Many officials around the world have given in to Chinese pressure and chosen not to meet with him, he added. "If the government is a little inconvenienced then I always say, deep in my mind, that I should not cause any embarrassment to their government," said the Dalai Lama. He said he does not have a problem with Burg's meeting with Li. The Dalai Lama, clad in saffron and burgundy Buddhist robes, lit a candle and took part in a traditional Buddhist scarf-exchanging ceremony at the airport. He stressed the importance of good Sino-Tibetan ties. "Good relations with China are very important... If the Speaker [Burg] finds it convenient he can help to reduce suspicions." Religious leaders including US Black Islam leader Wallace Dean Mohammed and Vatican representative Michael Fitzgerald are also due to attend the interfaith conference, which will examine the role of religion in promoting peace. The Dalai Lama praised Israelis for their "very strong spirit." "We Tibetans often say among ourselves we must learn how the Jewish people succeeded to keep their tradition and spirit, in some cases under hostile conditions, in other parts of the world." The Dalai Lama last visited Israel in June. He is expected to visit the Peres Center for Peace and receive a prize from Ben-Gurion University later in the week. At 12:19 PM 11/21/99 -0800, you wrote: ><> Brian Hutchings 21-NOV-1999 12:19 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > as a Christian, I really doo cherish the Bush Dynasty; > as a republican, I have to "seek & destroy" it, politically (and > metaphorically .-) > please note that HU the Godking of the Holy Tibetan Empire > has nicely ennumerated his list of 5 Q&A and 5-minute pratice, > to the larger factor of the base of ten -- and > two 5' practices, last 10' -- in order to stress the sacredness > of that base, and the number of Hi Holy Fingers, and > the extraspecialimportance of a Thousand Year Rei-- I mean, Period > of Time! > > the Guy really carress! > > --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm > --the book that Midnight Special Books cannot read (even if in print) > > thus quoth: > five most important questions to be considered, moving into the new > > thus quoth: > 4 Continue this practice no matter what happens or what anyone does to you. > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:56:42 +0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. 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More information about AIT and its School of Civil Engineering can be obtained from Homepages www.ait.ac.th and www.sce.ait.ac.th, respectively. For more infromation, please contact the Dean, Prof. Worsak Kanok-Nukulchai (scedean@ait.ac.th) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:47:36 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991120152352.03960ee0@pop.teleport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Echoing Mr. Jensen's famous monologue to Howard Beale, the gone-berzerk anchorman in the movie "Network" (1976), Medal of Freedom winner R. "Bucky" Fuller declares the USA we have known "bankrupt and extinct" (1983).[1] Mr. Jensen: Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale? You get up on your little 21 inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today. Just another curious fact for the history books -- that a Medal of Freedom would go from a USA president (Ronald Reagan) to a man whose ideas the New York Times labels "deeply subversive" (July 17, 1999). The new on-line Encyclopedia Britannica entry for Fuller points to this same historical datum via its first related web site selection: http://home.earthlink.net/~lkuper/arkitect/Fuller.html But this is all nebulous print world stuff, or twilight zone web-based. At one time, that was what counted, and wheels turned based on what got published in books (we had an "intelligensia" predisposed to take print media seriously). But these days, that doesn't count for much any more, as the print media no longer have the impact -- people simply don't read the way they used to. Stuff doesn't really make a difference until it's communicated through the tube. As I wrote in a post to geometry-research recently: "Literacy" and "numeracy" still need to be imparted, but the underlying media mix is shifting. In future, I "fully literate" person will know how to make TV segments, not just how to read and write. As Mr. Beale cogently observes: "Right now, there is a whole, an entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube! This tube is the gospel, the ultimate revelation; this tube can make or break presidents, popes, prime ministers; this tube is the most awesome goddamn propaganda force in the whole godless world, and woe is us if it ever falls into the hands of the wrong people..." Kirby [1] see http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/grunch.html -- the primary link page for all entries relating to Fuller, LAWCAP etc. in Robert Anton Wilson's new book "Everything is Under Control", (1998) an A-Z dictionary for conspiracy buffs). ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:09:24 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants <> Brian Hutchings 22-NOV-1999 18:09 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Firstly, Wilson's gigantic ouevre d'Illuminati, however skilled and dysinterested his research, obcures the fact that the masonic and suchlike secretive societies have been largely political; the "freemasonic" form connotes no tie to such useful activities as construction, and has been used solely --since the Egyptian Builders Guild folded with a dynasty-- as a means of the rentier-financier & landed oligarchs to obstruct republican movements. Mazzini's "Young Italy", Young Israel, Young America etc. ad vomitorium are prominent examples; the Young Turks, who started the genocide of the rmenians, are one of these (*la Jeune Turques Secondly, I can find no evidence that President Raegan had any idea of the "subversive" revelations o'Bucky, although it may still be ironical. of interest to determine how this award was prompted, in the first place; it may *be* quite a hoot. Lastly, while "mister Jensen" clearly knows the directorial structure of hte mass-media, and while most of the institutions are greatly influenced by the oligarchical tentacles, the media is also totally superficial, in this respect: it's just a part of the Bubble, and will pop; what Bucky referred to as the systemic bankruptcy of USA et al, is fully documented by decades of *Executive Intelligence Review*. Penintimately, Britannica is Imperial History. thus saith: in creating a huge network of *private* schools and canned curricula (online garbage like PM Churchill's version of WW2 in Britannica: "Gentlemen, history shall be very kind to us!"), often buying-out "failing" public schools? thus quoth: There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today. --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:40:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants In-Reply-To: <199911230209.SAA01295@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:09 PM 11/22/99 -0800, Brian Hutchings wrote: ><> Brian Hutchings 22-NOV-1999 18:09 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > Firstly, Wilson's gigantic ouevre d'Illuminati, however skilled and > dysinterested his research, obcures the fact that the masonic and The A-Z book isn't part of the Illuminati series, which were billed as fiction no? Dunno to what extent it obscures political aspects -- not clear that you've done an independent analysis either. > Secondly, I can find no evidence that President Raegan had any idea > of the "subversive" revelations o'Bucky, although it may still be ironical. Indeed, the Grunch book (readable as satirical, as is the movie 'Network') is quite explicit re Reagan's cluelessness re the Grunch. Let's see how long it takes to find said paragraph at the BFI website, where the entire text has been public domain for some time (took me about 50 seconds): At the termination of his presidency, Eisenhower expressed his shocked dismay over the exclusively self-concerned military-industrial complex that he had found to be growing inexorably as a malignant economic organism. There is no question of Eisenhower's innocence of such a phenomena as he assumed his great responsibility. In the same way I am confident that Reagan is utterly unaware of the existence, magnitude, and nature of the supranational colossus. He knows he is dealing with rich and business-wise-proven individuals whose organizational management effectiveness is of a high order. Because the colossus is operating an invisible tech- nology, and society is so specialized that each individual is acquainted with only a few of the billions of other specialized invisibilities, and because of the invisibility of who the supranational shareholders may really be and where they are, I am confident that Reagan truly thinks that he is operating strictly within the historic limits of a U.S.A. national government and not as a stooge of an invisible Grunch of literally soulless supranational giants. I don't think David Rockefeller or any of the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court, or Volcker, head of the Federal Reserve Bank, or Margaret Thatcher, or the heads of any of the world's governments think of their problems in the realistic terms of their being governed entirely by the inanimate, socially unconcerned, supranational colossi, as the possibly lethally nonhuman growth could prove to be. However, quite aside from this question of "what Reagan knew", I find it interesting how this historical datum barely merits a footnote, is not considered a fascinating plot twist in American history. But then I guess most people don't know about Mark Twain's writings re the American-Philippine war either. We make do with stereotypes, cardboard cut-outs. Bucky was some fatherly Buck Rogers type of guy with a lot of useful Popular Science type ideas. End of story. > of interest to determine how this award was prompted, in the first place; > it may *be* quite a hoot. > Lastly, while "mister Jensen" clearly knows the directorial structure > of hte mass-media, and while most of the institutions are greatly influenced > by the oligarchical tentacles, the media is also totally superficial, > in this respect: it's just a part of the Bubble, and will pop; > what Bucky referred to as the systemic bankruptcy of USA et al, > is fully documented by decades of *Executive Intelligence Review*. EIR has been predicting some bubble popping event for quite some time now. Lots of calamities that just never seem to happen on cue. As an anticipatory design scientist, LLR has had some useful "science driver" ideas though. I've said that before. His all- knowing, patronizing air, homophobia and other attributes I can live without. And I wasn't just a tourist in Bhutan by the way. My dad was an employe of that country's government for many years (mom too), and I wrote a telex billing system for the Royal Insurance Company of Bhutan (RICB), as well as a national budget database. You'll find a bit of this in print in the "About the Author" paragraph in the March 1999 issue of FoxPro Advisor (Advisor Communications, Inc.) -- which is about quadrays and the concentric hierarchy in part (though doesn't mention Fuller, or his synergetics, directly). > Penintimately, Britannica is Imperial History. > One of the key writers/editors for Britannica has published some rather critical "Bucky the Cold Warrior" material, anthologized I forget where (I filed a rebuttal right here on Geodesic, years ago, copy to the guy -- never heard back). The guy clearly hadn't done his homework all that thoroughly. It's actually quite easy to spin Bucky as an establishmentarian if you like, given his Board of Economic Warfare experience, work with the Marine Corps, and close affiliation with E.J. Applewhite, former deputy inspector general of the CIA (that's what it says about Ed right on the back cover of 'Synergetics 2'). A number of analysts have taken this approach, pooh poohing the silly hippys' fascination with a romanticized pipe dream view of the guy and all their goofy drop out dome communes. Alternatively, one old hippy I know thinks his generation finally "humanized" Bucky and got him to see the error of his earlier ways. Personally, I subscribe to neither of these schools of thought. > thus saith: > in creating a huge network of *private* schools and canned curricula > (online garbage like PM Churchill's version of WW2 in Britannica: > "Gentlemen, history shall be very kind to us!"), > often buying-out "failing" public schools? Col. Prouty quotes Churchill approvingly re the latter's allusion to some High Cabal (of which Churchill apparently felt more at the effect of than cause), writes Bucky Fuller in 'Critical Path' was likewise hot on the trail of this "behind the scenes" network -- the kind of thing Robert Anton Wilson pokes around for, looking to unveil. So probably Prouty would add Churchill to the list quasi-clueless, as per the above quoted GofG passage. What Prouty tells us (in his 'JFK') is this "secret government" is Malthusian, always on the lookout for opportunities to off-load excess humans (wars very good tool for this). As long as they can keep it from going thermonuclear, the "daily kill of innocents" Bucky writes about will remain a perfectly legal cost of doing business. Kirby PS: http://www.thehungersite.com/ good for its "Worldometer" approach. I've seen Fuller Projection versions, maybe even at the worldgame website (don't recall for sure). ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:29:33 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby Urner wrote: > One of the key writers/editors for Britannica has published some > rather critical "Bucky the Cold Warrior" material, anthologized > I forget where (I filed a rebuttal right here on Geodesic, years > ago, copy to the guy -- never heard back). The guy clearly hadn't > done his homework all that thoroughly. He could not do as bad as the makers of Thinking out Loud. This film wasted a lot of money, time, and effort missing the target off to the dome. Yes the dome, he was here for the dome and what a con man, what a guy we hated Johnson states but we loved it he had nothing to do with architecture, he was just a dome con man that was a sex fiend that ran off from his wife and made cars and not one word of the world map or the world games real significance to humanity. Only the dome, con man that wanted to die. What a bunch of shit that was.MSM I saw these great stupid Fuller buffs that want to make a name in film got even an award for this shit. I could have made a film that stupefied the whole world for 100 years on what they left on the floor. What stupidity it was to have these idiots try and define someone that they did not understand except in sound bites. That is what they had sound bite mania, talking heads of all the ones that hated him or did not understand him at least 50 % of the time. They could see only the finish and the profit of attention and lost the main point of bucky to allow humanity the wall flower to make the world work. The map was not event mentioned not synergetics. He was the con man with a dome. Who blew his chance to make money off the Wichita House. What a buck it of shit. Sorry that I am screaming sh i t again but it is legal. The person Anne what ever her name is states he really wanted to die at the end. What shit. To use that film on PBS is the greatest waste of time to miss inform humanity and make bucky have to be defined as a crack pot, sex maniac that happened onto the dome with luck and made it into history as a big ego maniac. I goes to show you how stupid us monkeys can be. At least Allegra even thought it was out of control in the end. Who ever gets another chance to do this please call me. The east coast Fuller intellectuals are so micro minded it scares me as far as film is concerned./ Great Tetrahedrons. The Tibetan chief was a block from me in San Pedro a month ago. He stated in the area not to make things worse than they already are. SO I am trying to do this to say please who ever did that last film please do not make any more. I am not talking about Meddard, Amy, Shoji, kioshi, Ed Schlosberg, Sonny, and Sharon. The rest of the east coast needs an est course. Cash Heist film company. Gets award for greediest stupid film in history This century and maybe next. IF there is a god he will come back and re cut that film. IF you film people are on this list please come on out of lurking and defend your self, as if you had a chance as it were. If you think, this film was thinking out loud, wow what a thought. Talking heads tear bucky apart with there small minds should have been the name. OR lets see how little we can make the greatest mind in the world. I say great mind for he is the first city planner to get to world planner and the first man to make hyper space ( compound volumation ) available to the average mind as well as the first world man, all united attitude of all facts for all truth to be used for truth for all and freedom for all from star to shinning star. Take all the countries and put them in a hat, put them all together - that is where it is at. In ten years we shall be 10 billion people we are out of gas in 10 years, we have no water from poisoning the air and water and no where to grow food when it all breaks down, flat earth down. SO get ready for the show down on the first 10 years of the have nots. There will be a lot of rich people that have no car, food and no where to run after they have destroyed the world with greed and lies. Get a boat, wind mill, and solar cells, so you can sail away from hell. I hope it changes but the dark ages needs light, bucky is this light but you have to have eyes to see the light. No eyes, no light. I suggest to make your own utopia in your own life time and leave as much love as you can as you go with truth. Do not ask for help. I do not expect Hawking to help me with unitivity, but he may copy it. If he does then I will know it when it happens it will be on the first page of the news paper. Anyway who cares. I am talking to much excuse meeeeee! Sea ya! :-) E=Ac2 Mass is area of sweep out that makes the mass. This is radii dependent any size event and therefor the unified field is explained. Take the mass of the whole solar system or the mass of H and you will have an area of sweep out of the radii. It is all going the speed of light at c2. Energy is defined this way in my eyes from now on. Precession is all events and all event measurements. A light year is a large radii of light going for one precessional circle of the sun of our planet. Just as you are in age, time is precessional areas. great circle areas and non great circle areas are entropy and syntropy circles. Isotropic radii sweep out the same area if they share the same axis, etc. IF the radii moves along the axis off the great circle its area changes to less. My point is that the regulation of a precessional system has so many ways to change area while in motion that this is the focusing motion of all energy. Good night I am tired of wasting your time. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:31:29 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Hutchings wrote: CAN ANYONE TELL ME where Qualcomm stands for internet wireless race? Who is the best company to come out with this for my boat? who does it now? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:32:55 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Hutchings wrote: Hutch? qcom stock? CAN ANYONE TELL ME where Qualcomm stands for internet wireless race? Who is the best company to come out with this for my boat? who does it now? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:33:18 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants In-Reply-To: <3839D1DD.95A3FA8F@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >What a bunch of shit that was.MSM I think you're confusing the documentary with the talking heads it included. People have their viewpoints. The documentary did a good job of presenting what these were (although it also left out as much as it included, because of the very limited time slot). >I saw these great stupid Fuller buffs that want to make a name >in film got even an award for this shit. I think it was a good film. Allegra didn't think it was half-bad either. A whole website was done around this documentary, at WNET. It's still there, and linked from my http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/links.html >I could have made a film that stupefied the whole world for >100 years on what they left on the floor. Easy to say, tough to do. >the world work. The map was not event mentioned not synergetics. The maps was shown, if not discussed in any detail. Synergetics was mostly left out of it, very true. >He was the con man with a dome. Who blew his chance to make >money off the Wichita House. What a buck it of shit. You're too focussed on the remarks of just a few of the talking heads. They said he was a show man, not a con man. He had flair. So what? >Who ever gets another chance to do this please call me. If I get a chance, I probably won't call you. >I am not talking about Meddard, Amy, Shoji, kioshi, Ed Schlosberg, >Sonny, and Sharon. The rest of the east coast needs an est course. Erhard would have made another interesting talking head re Bucky. S'been a long time since I've seen hide or hair of that guy. Pity. For better or for worse, est was part of the American scene, and it's a shame to pretend none of it ever happened. We should be doing more serious-minded post mortems on the late 1900s, given we're close to the end of them. >Cash Heist film company. Gets award for greediest stupid film in history >This century and maybe next. I really don't share your harsh opinion of this flick. It's one of many that could be made, likely will be made. But you have to realize that people are sophisticated and not a little cynical in their attitudes. I think if we made a film closer to what you'd want to see, it'd get a lot of criticism for trying to make Fuller larger than life, some kind of demi-god. People don't buy that stuff, unless their into a cult mentality. >Talking heads tear bucky apart with there small minds should have been >the name. OR lets see how little we can make the greatest mind in the Actually, I might send a crew to get your head talking. Whether we leave your head on the cutting room floor is another question. Depends how much unitivity blather you bore us with I guess. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:35:19 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants In-Reply-To: <3839D2A7.3B5FA323@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:32 PM 11/22/99 +0000, you wrote: >Brian Hutchings wrote: > >Hutch? >qcom stock? >CAN ANYONE TELL ME where Qualcomm stands for internet >wireless race? Who is the best company to come out with this for my boat? >who does it now? > How about you keep your private business dealings off this list? You spewed them onto mine and no one appreciated it there either. Asking for dates because you're horny (cite previous posts) is really bad form as well. Adds to my gut feeling that, as a talking head, you'd do more damage to Fuller's reputation than all those heads on PBS put together. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:48:31 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Help with dome project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love this list. In the spirit of Thanksgiving, I'd like to say thank you to everyone on this list, for all the wonderful information I've read over the years. I've learned about spherical geodesics and understand them much better now...branched into the world of fabric structures too. But, I could use a little help on a Christmas project. My Christmas display is always rather elaborate, and we decorate across nearly 2 acres. It's a life-sized nativity, made in porcelain by a lady in our small town. She provides the figures for several large displays across the town. (tiny town, population 286, yet our town has been featured in "Texas Highways" magazine for our Christmas displays) My family has the nativity, which I light with a "theatrical" flair. But, once thing has always bothered me. The stable looks more like something from America's "wild west" than something from Jerusalem. Most buildings in that area, which were permanent, were built with a rectangular floorplan, and the tops of the walls were angled in to produce a domed roof which terminated in a point. No, it's not an onion dome -- just a "pointed" rectangular dome. Well, I would like to build something resembling this -- I want it to be light and collapsible though. Remember -- life sized! I have to store this building somewhere, during the other 11 months of the year. Does anyone have any thoughts about a way to recreate this basic look with minimal materials and cost? I was thinking about "bowed" PVC pipe and a fabric skin painted to resemble these domes. But, there's got to be a better way, and one that doesn't look like a 2000 year old circus tent. HELP! -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:13:54 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jonathan Thompson Subject: Method to calculate buckball formations with planar hexagons and pentagons > frequency 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought that there needed to be a more useful topic discussed than character and belief assassinations and other slander defending and slinging battles full of great unhappiness, as the majority of recent posts have been going into my /dev/null or its' local O.S. equivalent. Now, with that header out of the way, here is something that is more desirable to keep for the majority of list members. I have looked in my various sources that I know of, including Inventions, Geodesic Math and How to Use it, and what I seem to remember of Rick Bhono's Dome program, and the Monkey House geodesics page. I have not found a discussion of a technique of calculating the geometry of a buckyball formation sphere with planar hexagons and pentagons. The basic f3 buckyball (C60 is a nice visual example, as is the typical pattern found on most soccer balls sold here in the U.S., don't know if that is true for all soccer balls) is plainly (planely? ) easy to see an example of a buckyball with planar sides. Dome calculates the struts for a buckyball formation sphere where f%3=0, but I have noticed that that vertices are not planar for the hexagon openings, and (I have not verified) may not be, but I expect they are planar for the pentagon openings. As a result, where Dome will generate POV-Ray data for a regular sphere with face data to create opaque faces (easily made transparent or translucent with judicious editing of the resulting file) it does not provide face data for buckyballs, due in large part to the fact that the face data must be planar in nature in the form of polygon definitions in the POV-Ray description. I was pondering the geometry requirements of a frequency%3=0 sphere and noticed that there seems to be a fairly easy way to modify the geometry of a regular frequency%3 sphere to get planar hexagon sides. I do not yet know if my thoughts are correct, however. The observation relies upon the fact that hexagons are essentially 6 small triangle parts of a larger triangle that is divided into 9 smaller triangles, specifically that a hexagon is a truncated triangle with the 3 vertices lopped off, which is a statement of the obvious for the sake of discussion. The thought of how this all fits together is to calculate the vertices for a sphere at 1/3 the frequency of the buckyball that is being calculated, and use those 3 vertices of the triangle that the hexagon is 2/3 of to place the alternating segments of the hexagon on, where the alternating lines in question would be placed on the outside edges of the triangle. Due to the obvious physical limitations that 3 points can not be coplanar, it stands to reason that the joining segments (on the inside of the larger triangle) must also as a desired side effect complete the definition of a hexagonal plane. This is readily seen with a truncated icosahedron (standard C60 style buckyball). Can the list readers either confirm or deny the validity of the above thoughts? Thank you! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:47:02 -0700 Reply-To: bward@metro.net Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bruce Ward Organization: chhhyehh...right... Subject: Re: Help with dome project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck, look at the foil faced polyurethane or polyisocyanurate foam insulation board made by Johns-Manville Co. or Celotex Co. It is stiff enough to stand on its own, can be cut with a pizza wheel or breadknife, and taped together with foil tape. Knives are preferable to saws; the sawdust is light, takes a static charge, goes everywhere, clings to everything, probably not good to inhale, etc., etc. A 4' x 8' sheet 1" thick weighs a couple of pounds, and costs $11.17 around here (Sonoma County). Primed and painted, it can look like anything you want. Taped seams can be sliced apart for storage. It's cheaper, lighter and easier to work than plywood. I used 27 sheets recently to generate a 3 freq dome that is 20' in diameter and about 11'8" tall. Two people can lift it. We've moved it 3 times so far, and when I (or more likely, my wife ;<) ) decide where, exactly, we like it, I'll probably wrap it in wire mesh and coat it with cement. Charles J Knight wrote: > > I love this list. In the spirit of Thanksgiving, I'd like to say thank > you to everyone on this list, for all the wonderful information I've > read over the years. I've learned about spherical geodesics > and understand them much better now...branched into the world > of fabric structures too. > > But, I could use a little help on a Christmas project. > > My Christmas display is always rather elaborate, and we decorate > across nearly 2 acres. It's a life-sized nativity, made in porcelain > by a lady in our small town. She provides the figures for several > large displays across the town. (tiny town, population 286, yet > our town has been featured in "Texas Highways" magazine for > our Christmas displays) > > My family has the nativity, which I light with a "theatrical" flair. > But, > once thing has always bothered me. The stable looks more like > something from America's "wild west" than something from > Jerusalem. > > Most buildings in that area, which were permanent, were built with > a rectangular floorplan, and the tops of the walls were angled in to > produce a domed roof which terminated in a point. No, it's not an > onion dome -- just a "pointed" rectangular dome. > > Well, I would like to build something resembling this -- I want it to > be light and collapsible though. Remember -- life sized! I have to > store this building somewhere, during the other 11 months of the > year. > > Does anyone have any thoughts about a way to recreate this basic > look with minimal materials and cost? I was thinking about > "bowed" PVC pipe and a fabric skin painted to resemble these > domes. But, there's got to be a better way, and one that doesn't look > like a 2000 year old circus tent. > > HELP! > > -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:03:40 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Method to calculate buckball formations with planar hexagons and pentagons > frequency 3 In-Reply-To: <000001bf363a$b3eb2b40$1d5afea9@coolbear> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Can the list readers either confirm or deny the validity of the above >thoughts? Thank you! > You get a buckyball from a 3-frequency omnitriangulated sphere by bashing the spokes out of hex and pent windows. Higher frequencies ok of multiples of 3 yes? Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:44:20 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Method to calculate buckball formations with planar hexagons and pentagons > frequency 3 In-Reply-To: <000001bf363a$b3eb2b40$1d5afea9@coolbear> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:13 AM 11/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >I thought that there needed to be a more useful topic discussed than >character and belief assassinations and other slander defending and slinging >battles full of great unhappiness, as the majority of recent posts have been >going into my /dev/null or its' local O.S. equivalent. Slinging some of your own I see. Join the fun! Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:39:53 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: Help with dome project Comments: To: bward@metro.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Chuck, look at the foil faced polyurethane or polyisocyanurate foam > insulation board made by Johns-Manville Co. or Celotex Co. It is I'm going to run by Home Depot tonight, anyway, so... > A 4' x 8' sheet 1" thick weighs a couple of pounds, and costs > $11.17 Is the stuff flexible? I need to make a smooth curve, not a faceted geodesic. (I don't want baby Jesus "landing" in his space pod) I'm trying for something that looks appropriate to the era...I need the look of a "traditional" dome for this project. I could whip together a geodesic in a day or less...but it's inappropriate. I could do it with PVC pipe and a radial arch design, with a rigid cover, but that is going to be relatively weak, and there is no obvious way to attach the skin to the pipe. Maybe the cover, being a stable structure itself (I hope), will need only minimal support. If it's mildly flexible, that stuff should work pretty well. Thank you! > I used 27 sheets recently to generate a 3 freq dome that is 20' in > diameter and about 11'8" tall. Two people can lift it. We've moved I'm thinking of something along the lines of a 10-15 foot domed stable. But a low profile dome...no more than 4-5' tall...and supported on pillars. The "tent fabric" can hide the steel fence posts that will hold it up. -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:07:57 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jonathan Thompson Subject: Re: Method to calculate buckball formations with planar hexagons and pentagons > frequency 3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991124080340.0394e8ec@pop.teleport.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This works fine for a frequency 3 sphere, but does not work for frequencies higher than 3. Do a careful thought analysis with a sphere (frequency >3, preferably multiples of 3) and take out the spokes of surrounding triangles that meet at a common center vertex. Pick two of the vertices that define one of the line segments of the resulting hexagon. Pick the segment that is closest to being parallel to that segment on the other side (above frequency 3, I expect that standard geometry will not allow perfect hexagons, except for maybe the center hexagon on an icosahedron based face). Now, notice that there are the two remaining vertices. They divide that plane, but in terms of a plane, they are not on an intercept coarse for lines drawn across from one point of those segments parallel to the other. Yes, all of the points are the same distance from the sphere center. However, we have removed the center vertex from that group of 6 adjoining, edge connected triangles. That middle vertex is the 3rd defining plane coordinate for 6 different triangles that have two outer vertices equidistant from the sphere center. They do not meet in a coplanar fashion at the common vertex. I believe that the frequency 3 sphere is a special case where the hexagon formed by removing the central spokes and considering the vertices of the hex as the definition of the plane actually is true. Without varying the vertex locations of a modulo 3 frequency sphere and removing the center vertices to define hexagons, at absolute minimum you will end up with two planes that use 4 points each, maybe worse (I haven't done the math to verify). > -----Original Message----- > From: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > [mailto:GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Kirby Urner > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 11:04 AM > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Method to calculate buckball formations with planar > hexagons and pentagons > frequency 3 > > > >Can the list readers either confirm or deny the validity of the above > >thoughts? Thank you! > > > > You get a buckyball from a 3-frequency omnitriangulated sphere by > bashing the spokes out of hex and pent windows. Higher frequencies > ok of multiples of 3 yes? > > Kirby > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:13:14 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Method to calculate buckball formations with planar hexagons and pentagons > frequency 3 In-Reply-To: <000001bf36a6$d6053600$1d5afea9@coolbear> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" C60 is just a truncated icosa, so you can imagine slicing off all the tips, after marking edges in thirds. Is the question whether higher frequency fullerenes can have perfectly flat faces? Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:33:22 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings <> Brian Hutchings 24-NOV-1999 15:33 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us "truncated icosahedron" (or stellated dodecah.) is the usual term, but it may not be adequate to describe the model for the actual atomic configuration. C-60 is not a truncated-anything-else, but "primitively" consists (in diagramattical form) of 60 "point" vertices, connected by 90"line" bonds, at least as the primary configuration. alternatively,, since the vertices are 3-way, it's 60 trigonal "flat" facets or windows, connected by the same (sort-of) 90 bonds. and there are other way(s) to do it. it's im=portant to note tha the "truncation" is complete, or you'd have the icosadodecahedron. thus quoth: triangle. Due to the obvious physical limitations that 3 points can not be coplanar, it stands to reason that the joining segments (on the inside of the larger triangle) must also as a desired side effect complete the definition of a hexagonal plane. This is readily seen with a truncated icosahedron (standard C60 style buckyball). --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:08:49 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants <> Brian Hutchings 24-NOV-1999 16:08 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us so, now I have to believe in Lt.Col.Proutty's naieve estimation, at the time, that Churchill was some sort of war-hero, as well as a patron of "Western Values" ??... well, OK! anyway, compare & contrast to Elliot Roosevelt, who was there in the heated negotiation between FDR and WC, concerning the latters "18th-century methods" that would have to be abandoned; that is, His Majesty's Crown Colonies! what Bucky saith regarding Rockefeller, Thatcher, Volcker et al \might be perfectly coherent, unless they were a part of that so-called Cabal (Roy of Hollywood, on KPFK-FM, has played that tape of Proutty's, and (I think) a corresponding one of Bucky's, late at night). a useful look-up is the directorship of the Hollinger Corp. -- it's must worse than that of the "WAND Corp." e.g. !! "what Regan knew" or could have known, before he was shot by that avquaintance-of-a-son-of-a-Bush, is not very material, considering his nearly only act of cognition, before succumbing to the horrible mellieu of the Bush imperium (EO#12333 was signed in the first months of Reagan's first term), was the attmpeted launch of SDI (or Star Wars for the circus of detractors; now, they are complimented by the "Republican" Yahoo!s who insist on a "theater defense" of lobbing missiles at missiles -- suitable only against putatively "rogue" nations). while I share the designation of the soulless entities, as supranational, not at all multinational (although this "MNC" has been hardwired into the mainstream of economics & political science (sic), it's also important to ennumerate the actual centers of ideological "capitalism," wheresoeverat the True, High Cabal takes its tea-time; what are the biggest "markets" and centers of cartelization? the bubble is a-popping with perhaps a deflationary wheeze, abroad, as "capitalism" loots developing countries, in order to maintain a ballooning deficit of trade, esp.with the USA (this is somewhat concealed, by the fact that many of the bailing-out oligarchs tend to invest (horde) *in* the USA, from world-around; "Y2K" is being used as the contrived-but-serious cover for some of this, with the passage of the dyssolution of the Glass-Steagall Act ('33) and the Bank Holding Reform Act ('56). I could not even begin to delve into the obsession with the "Illuminati" that requires a fictionalized trilogy; i think, the very programme of setting-forth an "encyclopedia" of conspiracies also speaks for itself. that is to say, I hadn't planned on reading, either! anyway, you can all bare your fang-- I mean, critiques, at the Townmeetings on Dec.11, Saturday at 7pm (Pacific time), which will be webcast from http://www.larouchecampaign.org. --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm thus quoth: It's actually quite easy to spin Bucky as an establishmentarian if you like, given his Board of Economic Warfare experience, work with the Marine Corps, and close affiliation with E.J. Applewhite, well, anyone who worked with JJAngleton may still be in need of a serious debriefing/retreat; the Manchurian Co-author ?!? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:24:44 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants In-Reply-To: <199911250008.QAA13158@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:08 PM 11/24/99 -0800, you wrote: ><> Brian Hutchings 24-NOV-1999 16:08 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > so, now I have to believe in Lt.Col.Proutty's naieve estimation, > at the time, that Churchill was some sort of war-hero, > as well as a patron of "Western Values" ??... well, OK! I didn't say anything close to that. You might be referring to some other passages by Prouty? Dunno what you mean by "at the time" either. The book I cited ('JFK') came out in 1992. My point was simply that we have some evidence that Churchill himself felt there to be an even more inner circle than his own, which made stuff happen. I linked this to Robert Anton Wilson's A-Z list of paranoias. > the bubble is a-popping with perhaps a deflationary wheeze, "Wheeze" and "pop" aren't quite the same metaphor -- but whatever. > "Y2K" is being used as the contrived-but-serious cover > for some of this, with the passage of the dyssolution > of the Glass-Steagall Act ('33) and the Bank Holding Reform Act > ('56). Yes, some interesting goings on in high finance. Do you see this as the final roll-back of the New Deal? An end to FDR-style programming? Keeping up the illusion of a democratic USA seems to be the game, while quietly pulling the plug on those who don't want to (or don't have the means to be) rapacious. > i think, the very programme of setting-forth an "encyclopedia" > of conspiracies also speaks for itself. that is to say, > I hadn't planned on reading, either! I didn't think so, but you're quite free with your comments about authors and projects of which you have no personal knowledge (keeping up the appearance of having done a lot of homework). Have to keep reminding myself how narrowly focused is your belief system. > anyway, you can all bare your fang-- I mean, critiques, > at the Townmeetings on Dec.11, Saturday at 7pm (Pacific time), > which will be webcast from http://www.larouchecampaign.org. Let me know if anything interesting transpires. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:58:54 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: You have a postcard! Comments: To: Mike Nuess MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01BF38BE.0388C560" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BF38BE.0388C560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, I took a look at your web site--very nice. I especially like your "Tensegrity Ships" at=20 http://www.webpak.net/~mnuess/teleologicssubdir/gfes.html . For further references regarding lighter-than-air ships see: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCloud.htm The "Lighter Than Air" article goes into detail on how to assemble a = giant tensegrity sphere. Also, your "Geodesic Bioship" is very interesting. See the following at my site: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeHomeHiTech.htm Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Nuess=20 To: joemoore@cruzio.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 5:28 AM Subject: Re: You have a postcard! Hi Joe,=20 (snip) great deal, and I'm attempting to reflect that as I develop the = Teleologics section of my website:=20 http://www.webpak.net/~mnuess/teleologics.html ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BF38BE.0388C560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Kirby ============= 21st Century Math Classroom Nov 27, 1999 by Kirby Urner 4D Solutions The math classroom on the drawing boards for the coming decades will give each student a workstation, and provide a larger screen at the front of the classroom. The workstation screens will be recessed in a "counter top" arrangement (console) so that monitors cannot easily be knocked to the floor, and will not be too obstructive of the student's view of the front of the class. The teacher will have a library of software and DVD clips to choose from. Monitors and the projector screen in front will double as computer screens and TV screens. Also, any student monitor may have its content projected to the main screen in front. The teacher will, in many setups, be able to view what is on any student monitor, and jump in with a keyboard to assist. In some designs, headphones will be an option (as in language labs today). The console counters will be modular and allow easy swapping of monitors, keyboards and other devices in and out. Mice and other I/O plugs will be in front, not behind. Cables will be inside the consoles, not freely drapped where easily caught on things. Some models will have removable plastic insets, in place of which various optional panels of controls (knobs, switches, instruments of other kinds) may be inserted. This will open the computer to live data from outside sources, via RS232 or other I/O port. It will also give teachers opportunities to explore programming around controls that aren't simply on screen. Not every classroom will need to invest in these "workbench" or "laboratory" options. The layout is similar to what we think of as a "mission control" design, although not necessarily on such a large scale. Designs will differ depending in part on whether new construction is involved. Older schools will have fewer freedoms when it comes to such variables as the slope of the floor. Lesson plans will typically be presented in hypertext format, in the context of thin client front ends (browsers). Teachers will therefore be able to avoid having to customize each desktop. The lesson plan software will be centralized on a server, either special to the classroom, or elsewhere in the school building. Of course many times a lesson will take students to remote servers via the internet. The opportunities for schools to share digital assets with one another has never been greater. A central asset in this picture will be the DVD archives, large collections of video shorts on myriad topics, including math topics. Teachers will have thumbnail previews of these DVDs, and the ability to retrieve them by key word. Lesson planning will typically involve coming up with a series of segues between documentary segments, interactive workstation activities, exercises of the traditional sort, and Q&A. During Q&A, a teacher will be calling up DVD clips in response to specific student questions. Students will make their own DVD segments and educational applets as well, and some of these will make their way to the school's long term database. 3rd graders will get to pull up drawings and essays written by their peers years ago, or in other parts of the world. The sharing of student-authored content over the net will be one of the most exciting aspects of the 21st century classroom. Although my focus in this essay has been the math classroom, students and teachers can well imagine how this same technology will be useful in other subject areas as well. Indeed, with such immediate access to video clips and websites, it will be harder to keep all the subject areas seperate, and many teachers will find their lesson planning leads to a larger amount of overlapping than ever before. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:47:27 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mike Nuess Subject: Re: US Forgives 36 Debtor Nations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I took interest in Trevor's post and found more. Turns out there's a 'relatively' large groundswell behind the concept, including a reference to Clinton's recent take on it... Intro: BBC News: http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/health/newsid_517000/517191.stm Background: University of Ottawa Fulcrum: http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/health/newsid_517000/517191.stm Headquarters: Jubilee 2000 Coalition: http://www.jubilee2000uk.org/main.html "P. O. Box 2321" wrote: > This _is_ design science. See URL for complete story. Wish I knew more > about the US decision listed below... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/health/newsid_517000/517191.stm > > Friday, November 12, 1999 Published at 13:18 GMT > > 'Cancel debt for sake of children' > > The UK should act now to cancel the debt owed to it by developing > countries and so save the lives of millions of children, says.... > l ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:28:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants <> Brian Hutchings 27-NOV-1999 13:28 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > at the Townmeetings on Dec.11, Saturday at 7pm (Pacific time), > which will be webcast from http://www.larouchecampaign.org. compared to the laughablly rip-snoring "debate" between Gore and Bradley at Dartmouth, consisting wholly of 90-second count-pointercount, there is no comparison to our meetings, really, unless it's to the Lincoln-Douglas debates (whole-day marathons) or too the Kennedy-Nixon debates. that is to say, actual debating! as for Anton Wilson, I've heard him a few times on KPFK-FM, and although he's really knowledgeable, he does not get into the actual nature of masonry, except as a sort of hermetic entity unto itself --as itself'd have it-- or as a sort of an extruded faction of the Catholic Church (which is also accurate, as far as he goes .-) there was a time when I was really going to read him! the "illusion of a democratic USA" is almost beside the point, because "being a democracy" has always been a Jacobin programme; that is to say, freemasonic, oligarchical programmes to trash any upstart republic, such as Indonesia re Timor (the "tale of both halves"; I have no conclusion, or guess, as to whether Mathew Jardine is such an operative, but simply being related to the notorious Jardine-Matheson is *enough* of a problem, potentially !-) clearly, any warm-fuzzy-feeling that Proutty suffers, in respect to Churchill, was unencumbered by any research, and can be forgiven. as Winnie said, regarding his multivolume hsitory of WW2, "Gentlemen, history shall be very kind to us!" Proutty was at a vrey few meetings with these guys, but nothing to compare with Elliot Roosevelt's travelling with his father. Truman shot-down FDR's anti-colonial plans for the UNO/WB/IMF etc. apparatus. so, when Churchill demurs on some Upper Cabal, to which he is not privvy --as he was to the Privy Council, of course-- he and Her Upness are undoubtedly referring to the Galactic Federation, to which they are perforce directly related, as veritable Godfolks. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:32:50 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants In-Reply-To: <199911272128.NAA19547@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > clearly, any warm-fuzzy-feeling that Proutty suffers, > in respect to Churchill, was unencumbered by any research, > and can be forgiven. as Winnie said, regarding his multivolume hsitory You impute. Nothing warm and/or fuzzy was suggested. Churchill's quote was about the "High Cabal", and you've added the rest, purely out of reflex. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 22:41:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mike Nuess Subject: Re: You have a postcard! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for looking Joe. Also, it's very nice to see that multiple references to these subjects are available at your website. Makes it a nice tool for refinding the places where I once read about these topics somewhen before....and for finding new places.... Mike Joe S Moore wrote: > Hi Mike,I took a look at your web site--very nice. I especially like > your "Tensegrity Ships" > athttp://www.webpak.net/~mnuess/teleologicssubdir/gfes.html . For > further references regarding lighter-than-air ships > see:http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCloud.htm The > "Lighter Than Air" article goes into detail on how to assemble a giant > tensegrity sphere. Also, your "Geodesic Bioship" is very > interesting.See the following at my > site:http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeHomeHiTech.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 01:47:54 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Harsh film thinking out loud! Failed the design mark. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Cash Heist film company. Gets award for greediest stupid film in history > >This century and maybe next. > > I really don't share your harsh opinion of this flick. It's > one of many that could be made, likely will be made. But > you have to realize that people are sophisticated and not a > little cynical in their attitudes. I think if we made a film > closer to what you'd want to see, it'd get a lot of criticism > for trying to make Fuller larger than life, some kind of > demi-god. People don't buy that stuff, unless their into > a cult mentality. Design science is a cult, rich kids get their big chance to act big. If Tony Huston would have done this or anyone else with some real time behind traveling with him, they could have been more honest. These two producers just heard of him only 5 years before the film was made or so. You are defending your brown nose position of the film. This film was a complete failure from bucky's point of view. Allegra was short sighted to let them run with this because she has a big heart and is gun shy from people like you in her past. She had second thoughts is in the trim tab news. No secret. What was good in that film was only by accident frankly. MSM The new york groupie called him a con man. This vamp stated Anne was not interested in sex even though they had 2 children. This is time spent on stupid footage, when the map could be explained, or world game. IT was stupid. Fuller is the only world planning individual of this century. Cult or not. The world was not round to the average man until he started on it. Pollution was not a resource, war was the mean of human life, volume was a stack of sticks. You just like to argue. This film was a waste of time to make him a crack pot and spread a lot of miss understanding. It will take years to get past this rot. IT shows how history is made, and how much weight you can put on it. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 01:50:55 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby Urner wrote: > At 11:32 PM 11/22/99 +0000, you wrote: > >Brian Hutchings wrote: > > > >Hutch? > >qcom stock? > >CAN ANYONE TELL ME where Qualcomm stands for internet > >wireless race? Who is the best company to come out with this for my boat? > >who does it now? > > > > How about you keep your private business dealings off > this list? You spewed them onto mine and no one appreciated > it there either. Asking for dates because you're horny > (cite previous posts) is really bad form as well. Adds > to my gut feeling that, as a talking head, you'd do more > damage to Fuller's reputation than all those heads on > PBS put together. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 02:13:41 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Method to calculate buckball formations with planar hexagons and pentagons > frequency 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 5 pentagons always have the little hexagon triangles of the 3 frequency Icosa hedron missing. These always add to 720 degrees or one tetrahedron if you count the inside and outside as different systems then it is 1440 degrees missing at all times to make an enclosed system. My argument with bucky was that a tetra hedron has 1440 degrees because the inside has 720 and the outside has 720. This means that the amount of angle should be doubled in all systems that are now considered in synergetics. But that is another thinging. Sorry to be harsh and real about some things but once I have pointed it out then I do not have to think about it anymore. According to the data there was a c70 and some other shapes Kroto found first. Then the c60 came out strong. That was missing from the film as well. Sorry if I am to real about things sometimes. The truth is the truth. I am not really sorry, they should be for this film. We are monkeys and we must chatter. Other wise it is domination of the most sneaky polite and political that just dominate the scene. Some body has to put them in their place. Most people do not have the experience with bucky to know what was happening. I do. As I beat my chest. by the way some of us are still single on this list kirby. Being horney is part of synergetics. I miss spelled it on purpose you see. A 3 frequency icosa hedron with only the hex and pents is a c60. A truncated icosa hedron would have 20 pentagons only in it wouldn't it? That is not a bucky ball as we know it. I could be wrong. :-) Jonathan Thompson wrote: > I thought that there needed to be a more useful topic discussed than > character and belief assassinations and other slander defending and slinging > battles full of great unhappiness, as the majority of recent posts have been > going into my /dev/null or its' local O.S. equivalent. Now, with that > header out of the way, here is something that is more desirable to keep for > the majority of list members. > > I have looked in my various sources that I know of, including Inventions, > Geodesic Math and How to Use it, and what I seem to remember of Rick Bhono's > Dome program, and the Monkey House geodesics page. I have not found a > discussion of a technique of calculating the geometry of a buckyball > formation sphere with planar hexagons and pentagons. The basic f3 buckyball > (C60 is a nice visual example, as is the typical pattern found on most > soccer balls sold here in the U.S., don't know if that is true for all > soccer balls) is plainly (planely? ) easy to see an example of a > buckyball with planar sides. > > Dome calculates the struts for a buckyball formation sphere where f%3=0, but > I have noticed that that vertices are not planar for the hexagon openings, > and (I have not verified) may not be, but I expect they are planar for the > pentagon openings. As a result, where Dome will generate POV-Ray data for a > regular sphere with face data to create opaque faces (easily made > transparent or translucent with judicious editing of the resulting file) it > does not provide face data for buckyballs, due in large part to the fact > that the face data must be planar in nature in the form of polygon > definitions in the POV-Ray description. > > I was pondering the geometry requirements of a frequency%3=0 sphere and > noticed that there seems to be a fairly easy way to modify the geometry of a > regular frequency%3 sphere to get planar hexagon sides. I do not yet know > if my thoughts are correct, however. > > The observation relies upon the fact that hexagons are essentially 6 small > triangle parts of a larger triangle that is divided into 9 smaller > triangles, specifically that a hexagon is a truncated triangle with the 3 > vertices lopped off, which is a statement of the obvious for the sake of > discussion. The thought of how this all fits together is to calculate the > vertices for a sphere at 1/3 the frequency of the buckyball that is being > calculated, and use those 3 vertices of the triangle that the hexagon is 2/3 > of to place the alternating segments of the hexagon on, where the > alternating lines in question would be placed on the outside edges of the > triangle. Due to the obvious physical limitations that 3 points can not be > coplanar, it stands to reason that the joining segments (on the inside of > the larger triangle) must also as a desired side effect complete the > definition of a hexagonal plane. This is readily seen with a truncated > icosahedron (standard C60 style buckyball). > > Can the list readers either confirm or deny the validity of the above > thoughts? Thank you! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 02:28:32 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Help with dome project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When the high schoolers tear it down I hope it is not their 3 strike. You could go with circus ola, and a tent tensegrity like the German kind that look like a napkin that has posts at each end and the other two sides staked to the ground. The same as in the world fair in 1967 next to the dome in Canada. It is all right with me for all to bring their religious faiths in to the grin of life. I would go to the real manger in Israel and build it there, but look out for the brief cases that will be left by those in funny suits. The PBS has shed a lot of light on the history of Jesus lately and it brings a very different record to the idea of history. I do believe in the 10 commandments. You do say dome project above. Jesus in a dome sounds very christmasy to me as well. The celebration of having children is the real purpose of this to me and I wish I had some, but the design has not come along that I know of. have some more for me. I am in to dymaxion orgasms my self. Micro soft orgasms. just kidding please. put stock into mirco soft. I am so sorry, said the china man. Charles J Knight wrote: > > Chuck, look at the foil faced polyurethane or polyisocyanurate foam > > insulation board made by Johns-Manville Co. or Celotex Co. It is > > I'm going to run by Home Depot tonight, anyway, so... > > > A 4' x 8' sheet 1" thick weighs a couple of pounds, and costs > > $11.17 > > Is the stuff flexible? I need to make a smooth curve, not a faceted > geodesic. (I don't want baby Jesus "landing" in his space pod) I'm > trying for something that looks appropriate to the era...I need the > look of a "traditional" dome for this project. I could whip together a > geodesic in a day or less...but it's inappropriate. > > I could do it with PVC pipe and a radial arch design, with a rigid > cover, but that is going to be relatively weak, and there is no > obvious way to attach the skin to the pipe. Maybe the cover, being > a stable structure itself (I hope), will need only minimal support. > > If it's mildly flexible, that stuff should work pretty well. Thank you! > > > I used 27 sheets recently to generate a 3 freq dome that is 20' in > > diameter and about 11'8" tall. Two people can lift it. We've moved > > I'm thinking of something along the lines of a 10-15 foot domed > stable. But a low profile dome...no more than 4-5' tall...and supported > on pillars. The "tent fabric" can hide the steel fence posts that will > hold it up. > > -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 02:34:23 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Hutchings wrote: alternatively,, > since the vertices are 3-way, > You may now say syntrific or 3 being in one event.My new word for this. A triangle is syntrific the action of syntrivity or 3 making one event. Please note this in your dictionary. Thank you (c) 1999 MSM > > > --The Duke of Oil! > http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 02:43:12 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: A classroom context for Fluidiom, Dome, Povray etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well if you have to have class rooms I think it is wrong. I would take all the money for the real-estate and give it to the kids first, then give them a nomad computer to go to class in. Give them free transportation around the world for the lunch money that would be spent on trucking the food and do away with the trucks, and the electric bills, and water, and real-estate taxes and the teachers. Give the money as well to the parents that need it to spend some time with the kids to learn with them. This is the new class room. Like the salvation army first food, then sleep shelter, then save their souls with the computer. You will be in your class room and then a bomb will come through the ceiling from the have nots that are starving from Iraq. We must start kids traveling to see the out side world and how it is everywhere. The airplane seats are empty and could be used for kids as schools. and sex education as well. Kirby Urner wrote: > Here's a futuristic vision giving a sense of how the > programming efforts building in our community might > eventually find a home in the classroom. All we need > are some teachers who feel at home in this kind of > environment. > > Cross-posted from Synergetics-L, with one typo fixed. > > Kirby > > ============= > > 21st Century Math Classroom > Nov 27, 1999 > by Kirby Urner > 4D Solutions > > The math classroom on the drawing boards for the > coming decades will give each student a workstation, > and provide a larger screen at the front of the > classroom. The workstation screens will be recessed > in a "counter top" arrangement (console) so that > monitors cannot easily be knocked to the floor, > and will not be too obstructive of the student's > view of the front of the class. > > The teacher will have a library of software and DVD > clips to choose from. Monitors and the projector > screen in front will double as computer screens and > TV screens. Also, any student monitor may have its > content projected to the main screen in front. The > teacher will, in many setups, be able to view what > is on any student monitor, and jump in with a keyboard > to assist. In some designs, headphones will be an > option (as in language labs today). > > The console counters will be modular and allow easy > swapping of monitors, keyboards and other devices > in and out. Mice and other I/O plugs will be in > front, not behind. Cables will be inside the > consoles, not freely drapped where easily caught > on things. Some models will have removable plastic > insets, in place of which various optional panels > of controls (knobs, switches, instruments of other > kinds) may be inserted. This will open the computer > to live data from outside sources, via RS232 or other > I/O port. It will also give teachers opportunities > to explore programming around controls that aren't > simply on screen. Not every classroom will need to > invest in these "workbench" or "laboratory" options. > > The layout is similar to what we think of as a > "mission control" design, although not necessarily > on such a large scale. Designs will differ depending > in part on whether new construction is involved. > Older schools will have fewer freedoms when it comes > to such variables as the slope of the floor. > > Lesson plans will typically be presented in hypertext > format, in the context of thin client front ends > (browsers). Teachers will therefore be able to avoid > having to customize each desktop. The lesson plan > software will be centralized on a server, either > special to the classroom, or elsewhere in the school > building. Of course many times a lesson will take > students to remote servers via the internet. The > opportunities for schools to share digital assets > with one another has never been greater. > > A central asset in this picture will be the DVD archives, > large collections of video shorts on myriad topics, > including math topics. Teachers will have thumbnail > previews of these DVDs, and the ability to retrieve > them by key word. Lesson planning will typically > involve coming up with a series of segues between > documentary segments, interactive workstation > activities, exercises of the traditional sort, and > Q&A. During Q&A, a teacher will be calling up DVD > clips in response to specific student questions. > > Students will make their own DVD segments and educational > applets as well, and some of these will make their way > to the school's long term database. 3rd graders will > get to pull up drawings and essays written by their > peers years ago, or in other parts of the world. The > sharing of student-authored content over the net will > be one of the most exciting aspects of the 21st century > classroom. > > Although my focus in this essay has been the math classroom, > students and teachers can well imagine how this same > technology will be useful in other subject areas as well. > Indeed, with such immediate access to video clips and > websites, it will be harder to keep all the subject > areas seperate, and many teachers will find their > lesson planning leads to a larger amount of overlapping > than ever before. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 02:48:44 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This man is mowing his yard and a pretty blonde next door comes out to her mail box and slams the door shut on it the man says why are you so mad as you do that she states my stupid computer keeps saying I have mail. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:22:05 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: Help with dome project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > When the high schoolers tear it down I hope it is not their 3 strike. You know, the amount of vandalism has been very minimal. The life sized figures are made of a porcelain material -- one figure's finger was broken off. Easily repaired by the lady who made them for the town. There are probably 50 of these life sized figures -- victorians ice skating in the park and riding penny farthings, a father Christmas, some others, and of course the life sized nativity which my family gets to host. It's quite beautiful, really -- I look forward to doing this every year. > two sides staked to the ground. The same as in the world fair in > 1967 > next to the dome in Canada. It is all right with me for all to If memory serves, Frei Otto did that structure -- he used multiple hypars to create the shape. Simple engineering, but not really appropriate for something representing a 2000 year old vignette. > You do say dome project above. Jesus in a dome sounds very > christmasy to me as well. The celebration of having children is the Yes. Most permanent buildings in that area, from that time, were domed. They would build 4 vertical walls, and at the top they would "step" them inwards. Eventually the square dome would terminate in a "point" at the top. It's a characteristic shape of their architecture, and one which I would like to respect. Any thoughts on how to achieve that type of shape? -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:12:10 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Harsh film thinking out loud! Failed the design mark. In-Reply-To: <384089C9.B7D3253D@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Design science is a cult, rich kids get their big chance to act big. >If Tony Huston would have done this or anyone else with some >real time behind traveling with him, they could have been more honest. >These two producers just heard of him only 5 years before the film was >made or so. You are defending your brown nose position of the film. They were experienced documentary makers. They'd already done one previously that one them some fame -- I forget who about. It's not required that documentary makers spend their whole lives becoming familiar with a subject. What Simon and Goodman did is splice together a lot of personal impressions from different people, in a way that told a story. I liked their use of music and said so at the time (coming back to the melancholy sounds when things went wrong, e.g. when the car flipped -- through no fault of Bucky's I realize). I encountered points of view I'd never heard before and found that useful. I thought it was an interesting document of record. It was about Bucky's contemporaries, and what they want to say about him, as much as it was about the guy himself. This isn't entirely "beside the point" from the point of view of scholarship however. Yes, I'm defending my position. I don't know if I'd call it a "brown nose" position as I have no financial ties to any of these people and am not personally trying to suck up to or curry favor with Simon and Goodman. >This film was a complete failure from bucky's point of view. I wouldn't take your word for "bucky's point of view". You speak for yourself, not for bucky. >Allegra was short sighted to let them run with this because she has >a big heart and is gun shy from people like you in her past. Cheap shot. >of human life, volume was a stack of sticks. You just like to argue. No, I just like to be free to share a different point of view. >This film was a waste of time to make him a crack pot and spread >a lot of miss understanding. It will take years to get past this rot. >IT shows how history is made, and how much weight you can put >on it. I think you're focusing too much on the negative spin. I found a lot of positive in that film as well. It's not the last word on Bucky, in any case. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:16:22 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: A classroom context for Fluidiom, Dome, Povray etc. In-Reply-To: <384096BF.A62A71A0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:43 AM 11/28/99 +0000, you wrote: >Well if you have to have class rooms I think it is wrong. I don't think classrooms will disappear any time soon. Sure, having an education "on the move" is more feasible today then ever before (for older students especially). But even a nomadic lifestyle will likely be punctuated with spells in a special room designed for group learning -- what a "classroom" amounts to according to this model. I think this design is consistent with what Fuller writes about in 'Education Automation', by the way. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:06:47 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: A classroom context for Fluidiom, Dome, Povray etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Well if you have to have class rooms I think it is wrong. > > I don't think classrooms will disappear any time soon. > > Sure, having an education "on the move" is more feasible > today then ever before (for older students especially). A classroom has many functions, only one of which is group learning. It also provides (forced) social situations which foster relationships and social skills among the students. This is as much a part of the educational process as is formalized learning. -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:56:57 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Harsh film thinking out loud! Failed the design mark. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My friend Barbara Trent won an oscar in 93. She was a great friend of bucky. I wish she and tony huston would have done it and it would not be so sophomoric and inquiring minds, star type - Jerry Springer flick done be miss informed and yuppie bulldozing into something they had no business doing. If the world can be saved with world game and Fuller mainly on this planet as an information format then this film halted the inertia a great deal. As my friend Doctor Hector states after this film I have to defend bucky which is the wrong place to start with this great mind. Small minds make great minds look small. Kirby Urner wrote: > >Design science is a cult, rich kids get their big chance to act big. > >If Tony Huston would have done this or anyone else with some > >real time behind traveling with him, they could have been more honest. > >These two producers just heard of him only 5 years before the film was > >made or so. You are defending your brown nose position of the film. > > They were experienced documentary makers. They'd already done one > previously that one them some fame -- I forget who about. It's not > required that documentary makers spend their whole lives becoming > familiar with a subject. What Simon and Goodman did is splice > together a lot of personal impressions from different people, in > a way that told a story. I liked their use of music and said so > at the time (coming back to the melancholy sounds when things > went wrong, e.g. when the car flipped -- through no fault of > Bucky's I realize). > I liked the music, big deal as bucky is called the dome man that was the reason he was puton earth, the dome. Bull.!! The dome was one ice berg spot that was taken as so great that nothing else he does is worth looking into. It is a bit like potters world in its a wonderful life with Jimmy stewart. If bucky had not traveled for 50 years talking the world would look a lot different now. He changed the world in a large way that most will never know how short sighted the world was until he came along. He spoke at the top 600 universities of the world many times. He changed the absolute foundation of education in many ways. Very few people know this. The whole political view of world design was stated by his vision. He is the only comprehensivists with a track record in this last century. He is the first world man. He is a lot bigger than we can imagine from what I have seen him do personally. I have seen him speak to at least 10 million people personally. I was with him on many tv shows, news casts, university tv and radio programs, live shows were always at least 2,000 per week. many times 1,000 at a time. I know no one that speaks as much as he did. He never wrote what he was going to say. This was thinking out loud, not a bunch of heads talking about his sex life and whether he lost money with the Wichita house. He invented for the first time in 500 years a map of the world. This was bigger than the dome alone. The problem is no one understand bucky and that was stated in the film all along. This is why it should have been made to make people understand him not how much defeat he had in his life with others that did not understand him. This man was as great as you get, kid. This man was hurt with life and restored himself and took it to the limit that any man can do - to show that war was no longer needed that it is because of mans short sighted ideas and low image of life and design and faith in them selves that stop them from having utopia on earth. That all people are on the same boat and that resources are a mind set not a Malthusian fact. More with less, to integrate knowledge, to stop the serfdom of educational systems, to rethink the future to allow success for all people with out war, this is the real Fuller not that he had a car that a taxi cab ran a stop sign and killed the driver and he failed at one of his money making try's. What bull shit. These people screwed up a big chance to teach humanity about one of the greatest heroes of life on earth and they blew it.!!! For get about it~* just do not let some one screw this up again please everyone tell them it is not the dome it is the future of your children at your feet and whether they will have a life and we will not kill everyone on earth, do not make him the dome man make him the world man that we all must become together or we die. that we clean the earth from stupidity of resources and greed that poisons us with bad design, to make life stick here with out fear. To let us vote for things that mean something to the future of children not the money for the backers of the leaders today. Rock the vote! where is someone to vote for. We need a leader that believes in Fuller. Other wise we will all starve from the truth that will save the world in the near future from war and suicide and gun play all over as it grows every day. Happiness is made by powerful designs that worked with science and forward thinking and love for all. > I encountered points of view I'd never heard before and found that > useful. I thought it was an interesting document of record. It > was about Bucky's contemporaries, and what they want to say about > him, as much as it was about the guy himself. This isn't entirely > "beside the point" from the point of view of scholarship however. > > Yes, I'm defending my position. I don't know if I'd call it a > "brown nose" position as I have no financial ties to any of these > people and am not personally trying to suck up to or curry favor > with Simon and Goodman. > > >This film was a complete failure from bucky's point of view. > Bucky would have hated this film and rather it not be shown.that is my opinion. He hated politics and that is all this film is. Philip Johnson the idiot of all idiot architects what a joke he is to ask to speak. He hates fuller because fuller invented when he copies from Wright. He is such a bitch. He does not deserve to be in the same film. > I wouldn't take your word for "bucky's point of view". You > speak for yourself, not for bucky. > I spent a lot of time with bucky and man this film was not bucky. The word world man was not even in the film. > >Allegra was short sighted to let them run with this because she has > >a big heart and is gun shy from people like you in her past. > > Cheap shot. > SHe let the kids do what they wanted, what else can a mother do? > >of human life, volume was a stack of sticks. You just like to argue. > > No, I just like to be free to share a different point of view. > Me too. > >This film was a waste of time to make him a crack pot and spread > >a lot of miss understanding. It will take years to get past this rot. > >IT shows how history is made, and how much weight you can put > >on it. > What is at hand is a planet that has little time to spare to make the space ship work, this film tripped it up out of step with the motionthat was at hand. They need to make another one and see what happens with their new view of him. If they even know how stupid they look. Have tony huston and barbara trent do it with them this time and they will see a new energy that is needed. The greatness that is there is lost. You have to see it to show it they could not see it, so could not show it. Bucky was a mother F ---ker. He had class - he made you feel like a king was in the room the king of mind making. Everyone was always amazed of how high he could get with his thinking. He thought big, clear and with reason and proof. Every tool is an extension of your body, all design could be made better. As tony huston stated they do not have the spirit. Bucky's spirit was the greatest I have ever seen in any human. Only when you live the truth for many years do you get this gift. As one person stated in the film, what he had I do not. The film found many old friends that is good, it had great footage from the archive but the spirit was all off and the aim was to low it was not the truth, it was not the real story, it was made up and it was short sighted and it was one of the general apexes of his life to go on PBS etc., the thing was they blew it and fell with all that resource, made short. It is a fact. Maybe we have a lot of time and like you gestation rates are making me crazy. I willdie soon and then maybe there is plenty of time for man to survive. SO back to the boat work. :-) > I think you're focusing too much on the negative spin. I found > a lot of positive in that film as well. It's not the last word > on Bucky, in any case. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:07:33 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: A classroom context for Fluidiom, Dome, Povray etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you make mistakes you learn more. SO what ever. All the money for all this building for political base gifts and by the time the green grass is cut all the money is spent on anything but education. Education is the truth. Without the truth in the political design the whole thing will always be failed in the start. The guns are in the schools because everyone knows it is bad and everyone knows it is a waste of money and that the people in them will go to war if they have no money and the rich will go to a better school and get out of it. It is all so failed it is one 1/2 step from being in prison which is really what they want to do just send them all straight to prison and save money and time. The school system with out a truthful teacher is lost. SOmetimes a good teacher can make it all happen, but it has nothing to do with the rest of it. The key is to take the money and put it where it does the most. travel and experience with the computer nomadic class room. The problem is you can not travel much for wars. This is the real fact of life, people can not even live on the same world yet. Education is food, shelter and then computers. I add travel. all free!! this will help a lot. People have to sell dope if they can not get a job, or they have to rob others, this is not a good safety net for schools. If the parents can not get the food then get a gun. This is the reason that it is all falling apart. It should fall apart. It needs a new rebirth of schools, a new complete unitific educational format. Kirby Urner wrote: > At 02:43 AM 11/28/99 +0000, you wrote: > >Well if you have to have class rooms I think it is wrong. > > I don't think classrooms will disappear any time soon. > > Sure, having an education "on the move" is more feasible > today then ever before (for older students especially). > But even a nomadic lifestyle will likely be punctuated > with spells in a special room designed for group learning > -- what a "classroom" amounts to according to this model. > > I think this design is consistent with what Fuller writes > about in 'Education Automation', by the way. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:14:16 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: A classroom context for Fluidiom, Dome, Povray etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles J Knight wrote: > > >Well if you have to have class rooms I think it is wrong. > > > > I don't think classrooms will disappear any time soon. > > > > Sure, having an education "on the move" is more feasible > > today then ever before (for older students especially). > > A classroom has many functions, only one of which is group > learning. It also provides (forced) social situations which > foster relationships and social skills among the students. > > This is as much a part of the educational process as is > formalized learning. > This is true but why in one place. I started in 1965 or so following buckyto many schools, then I started recording him, then I flew around the world with him and then as I went I was still always with the same situation that you speak of. Only they world from all over the world and schools from around the world. You are still with people. If you take all the seats from all the airplanes that are not used and give them a tax off for allowing students to use the seats then you can have schools all over the world for students all over the world and the idea of defending a bock with your hommy that you shoot people from the next block will become a joke. The idea of race and class will fade and the idea of one world will grow. The schools should be in planes and large ships that go around the world all the time. There are 100's of ships that are stored all over the world that would be a great resource for schools. Sell the school property to the developers and take the money and make it all go mobil. You still have people around you where ever you go. Just you and your think pad. > -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:21:46 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Help with dome project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am no longer Christian, as I was brought up to be. UP being a flat earth word. I am now for all religions and I celebrate with you and say yes I love your spirit, I am not against it nor am I mocking it, I whole heatedly see the way the story of all the religions single and together are artifacts of history of communication and development of humanity on earth. I believe in all of them as if i were one of each of those that do. This allows me to celebrate them all and if one says I can not I say yes I can for I see clearly how each has been used in each history of earth that each has come from. They do all say the same, charity, hope, love, truth, joy, and to make life work. I am a unitivitist. Charles J Knight wrote: > > When the high schoolers tear it down I hope it is not their 3 strike. > > You know, the amount of vandalism has been very minimal. The > life sized figures are made of a porcelain material -- one figure's > finger was broken off. Easily repaired by the lady who made them > for the town. > > There are probably 50 of these life sized figures -- victorians ice > skating in the park and riding penny farthings, a father Christmas, > some others, and of course the life sized nativity which my family > gets to host. > > It's quite beautiful, really -- I look forward to doing this every year. > > > two sides staked to the ground. The same as in the world fair in > > 1967 > > next to the dome in Canada. It is all right with me for all to > > If memory serves, Frei Otto did that structure -- he used multiple > hypars to create the shape. Simple engineering, but not really > appropriate for something representing a 2000 year old vignette. > > > You do say dome project above. Jesus in a dome sounds very > > christmasy to me as well. The celebration of having children is the > > Yes. Most permanent buildings in that area, from that time, were > domed. They would build 4 vertical walls, and at the top they would > "step" them inwards. Eventually the square dome would terminate > in a "point" at the top. It's a characteristic shape of their > architecture, > and one which I would like to respect. > > Any thoughts on how to achieve that type of shape? > > -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:50:44 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Harsh film thinking out loud! Failed the design mark. In-Reply-To: <3841C149.4E671C0D@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I liked the music, big deal as bucky is called the dome man that was the >reason he was puton earth, the dome. Bull.!! The dome was one ice berg I agree, bull. Domes were a small part of the Fuller legacy. To narrow his contributions to domes alone is stupid. I agree. But that's still what a lot of people associate with the guy. I don't think Simon and Goodman are responsible for changing the spin -- more they just presented a spin they were handed. They never interviewed me for the film either. That being said, I still think it was an OK flick. If Bucky's whole program can be derailed by one documentary, then it was too fragile to begin with. I think you have a lower estimation of his network than I do, given you think such a film has such power to slow us down. >Very few people know this. The whole political view of world design was Yes, very few people know much about Bucky, I agree. Those that only know about domes are probably more ignorant than those who know nothing at all, because they're already stuck in a paradigm. Not that I have anything against domes. Domes are great. >been made to make people understand him not how much defeat he had in his >life with others that did not understand him. I don't think that many people understand Bucky. I agree that future documentaries remain to be made. But I think it sets a bad precedent to get all bent out of shape just because we didn't get to start with the propaganda film of your dreams. Don't worry, we'll get some of those too (and a lot of those will be way pukey compared to this one). >Rock the vote! where is someone to vote for. We need a leader that >believes in Fuller. This is what I don't like about your slant. You fall back into politics and say things like Bucky was out of politics so the rest of us could get back into it. I don't know why anyone thinks they have the job to get on TV and represent 300 million people. I don't need "leaders" like that myself. We have such clowns, so we work with them, do as good a job as we can with politicians. But that doesn't mean you have to encourage them. >Bucky's spirit was the greatest I have ever seen in any human. However, if the whole program deflates into Bucky worship, he'd hate that too. I think he wouldn't have felt to badly about the movie because he didn't want to be deified. The film puts the onus back on us. If everyone was Bucky, fine, the world would be great. But each one of us is different, and if we're to make this a better world, we won't get there by sitting around talking about how wonderful Bucky was. That's an abdication of responsibility. Making it be a problem for political leaders is also an abdication. >resource, made short. It is a fact. Maybe we have a lot of time >and like you gestation rates are making me crazy. I willdie soon >and then maybe there is plenty of time for man to survive. >SO back to the boat work. :-) You can be sure that as Bucky's network is seen to be more effective, more people will come out of the woodwork with critical remarks. We haven't even begun to hear the hew and cry we'll get when people look at 'Synergetics' again. Most straitjacketed academics don't want that book to ever resurface, want to forget about it entirely. And yet the network is saying it's required reading if you want to get a PhD in philosophy. This is making people crazy. Many of them hate Bucky without even knowing why (just because his students seem to be undermining their authority in the classroom). Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:59:37 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: A classroom context for Fluidiom, Dome, Povray etc. In-Reply-To: <3841C3C5.F3DF0B32@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:07 AM 11/29/99 +0000, you wrote: >the schools because everyone knows it is bad and everyone knows it is Yeah, school wastes kids' time like there's no tomorrow. We talk about how it's to prepare them for life, but we don't even teach much economics in K-12. How many seniors graduate knowing about interest payments, copay, premium, deductible, stocks, bonds, mortgage, profit, expense, payroll tax. If we were really teaching kids to survive, we'd at least give them an overview of the game board as it is. In fact, the biggest factor in social change would be for a lot more people to simply understand the systems as they are currently designed, in great detail. But we don't do that. We distract them, keep their minds on other things. They know their survival is not a priority, they get the message that they're to be disadvantaged (or the privileged learn a sense of entitlement -- you think I'm a rich brat but I never grew up with those ethics), while wasting their time thinking about things that no one will ever want them to think about once they exit the academy. Make them drink, smoke, use charge cards, buy stuff, work in a cube, and die. >just send them all straight to prison and save money and time. Actually, prison is a better environment than what many city streets provide in gangland. People want to survive, to live another day. Sometimes your chances are greater on the inside. Outside, they'll kill you with a gun. >The problem is you can not travel much for wars. This is the real fact >of life, people can not even live on the same world yet. I've been lucky and been to many many places on the planet. This was critical to my understanding of the world. >Education is food, shelter and then computers. I add travel. all free!! It's not free. You have responsibilities. We expect you to learn in order to contribute. It's not just a joy ride. People are dying. This is a serious game. This isn't about wasting time and just joking around. Sorry. >It needs a new rebirth of schools, a new complete unitific educational >format. > I hate the word "unitific" and will never use it myself. But you're free too. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:13:21 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jonathan Thompson Subject: Unitivity is paradoxical In-Reply-To: <3841C71A.37A27781@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > [mailto:GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Michael S. > Mitchell > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 7:22 PM > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Help with dome project > > > I am no longer Christian, as I was brought up to be. UP being a flat earth > word. > I am now for all religions and I celebrate with you and say yes I > love your > spirit, I am not against it nor am I mocking it, I whole heatedly see the > way the Michael I honestly can not understand how one can believe in all religions. Being united is one thing. Unitivity (as in everything is one, all is united) would appear to be greatly self-contradicting if it includes believing in all religions. Being tolerant of others' beliefs is generally a good thing (I believe I am fairly tolerant, or at least I try to be) but it is not possible to believe in all religions without living in a majorly messy paradox. Indeed, if you do believe in all views as correct, it is self-defeating, because there are combinations of opposite beliefs that extol the virtue of wiping out someone of a particular other religion (pardon the horrible contradiction of that whole statement!) because they are "infidels" or "gentiles" or "pagans" or "whatever". Whatever else I might think about your views (agree or disagree) I would suggest that this statement be rethought. A lot of religions seem to be paradoxical in some of their teachings, and it is often deep and subtle. The belief that all religions should all be unified and that they are all good and work with each other is the ultimate paradox. And no, not all religions have the same general ideas of what constitutes "good" as Satanism is technically a religion, but twists things around in very interesting ways. There are some religions that do not believe in a devil figure. In short, tolerance is one thing to preach and practice that can be resolved to some degree, but equal belief in all can not be resolved in a non-paradoxical manner, as to believe all are equally correct means that all are logically incorrect, as they refute each other. If you took away all of the contradictions between them, there would be little more in common than the fact that we all came to exist somehow. Have a nice day! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:58:34 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Unitivity is omnidoxical <> Brian Hutchings 29-NOV-1999 10:58 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us you hit upon the other name for the Science of Unitivity: What Ever! thus quoth: are "infidels" or "gentiles" or "pagans" or "whatever". --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:08:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Harsh film thinking out loud! Failed the design mark. <> Brian Hutchings 29-NOV-1999 11:08 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us really, to get a PhD in Philosophy (those whacky, redundant Greeks) ?!?... is this one o'those automated educational devices at Princeton? thus quoth: want to forget about it entirely. And yet the network is saying it's required reading if you want to get a PhD in --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:25:37 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings MESSAGE from ="List 29-NOV-1999 10:53 Brian Hutchings wrote: alternatively,, > since the vertices are 3-way, > You may now say syntrific or 3 being in one event.My new word for this. A triangle is syntrific the action of syntrivity or 3 making one event. Please note this in your dictionary. Thank you (c) 1999 MSM > > > --The Duke of Oil! > http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm - - - - - <> Brian Hutchings 29-NOV-1999 11:25 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us on the net, you can pimp for free! >--The Duke of Oil! >http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:37:58 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants MESSAGE from ="List 29-NOV-1999 10:53 > clearly, any warm-fuzzy-feeling that Proutty suffers, > in respect to Churchill, was unencumbered by any research, > and can be forgiven. as Winnie said, regarding his multivolume hsitory You impute. Nothing warm and/or fuzzy was suggested. Churchill's quote was about the "High Cabal", and you've added the rest, purely out of reflex. Kirby - - - - - <> Brian Hutchings 29-NOV-1999 11:37 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I am merely suggesting an act of misdirection on the part of His Lordshi*, the influence of the Commander of the Allied Forces, til FDR and the USA came-in, upon a young officer of West Point. --The Dead-end of History! http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:54:13 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Grunch of Giants <> Brian Hutchings 29-NOV-1999 11:54 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us note that the Pacific Time is really 10 AM in the morning, to give a transnational mid-day event, although it'll be 7pm in Wiesbaden, where Lyn is at. SUBJECT: Re: Grunch of Giants MESSAGE from ="List 29-NOV-1999 10:53 <> Brian Hutchings 27-NOV-1999 13:28 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > at the Townmeetings on Dec.11, Saturday at 7pm (Pacific time), > which will be webcast from http://www.larouchecampaign.org. compared to the laughablly rip-snoring "debate" between Gore and Bradley at Dartmouth, consisting wholly of 90-second count-pointercount, there is no comparison to our meetings, really, unless it's to the Lincoln-Douglas debates (whole-day marathons) or too the Kennedy-Nixon debates. that is to say, actual debating! as for Anton Wilson, I've heard him a few times on KPFK-FM, and although he's really knowledgeable, he does not get into the actual nature of masonry, except as a sort of hermetic entity unto itself --as itself'd have it-- or as a sort of an extruded faction of the Catholic Church (which is also accurate, as far as he goes .-) there was a time when I was really going to read him! the "illusion of a democratic USA" is almost beside the point, because "being a democracy" has always been a Jacobin programme; that is to say, freemasonic, oligarchical programmes to trash any upstart republic, such as Indonesia re Timor (the "tale of both halves"; I have no conclusion, or guess, as to whether Mathew Jardine is such an operative, but simply being related to the notorious Jardine-Matheson is *enough* of a problem, potentially !-) clearly, any warm-fuzzy-feeling that Proutty suffers, in respect to Churchill, was unencumbered by any research, in respect to Churchill, was unencumbered by any research, and can be forgiven. as Winnie said, regarding his multivolume hsitory of WW2, "Gentlemen, history shall be very kind to us!" Proutty was at a vrey few meetings with these guys, but nothing to compare with Elliot Roosevelt's travelling with his father. Truman shot-down FDR's anti-colonial plans for the UNO/WB/IMF etc. apparatus. so, when Churchill demurs on some Upper Cabal, to which he is not privvy --as he was to the Privy Council, of course-- he and Her Upness are undoubtedly referring to the Galactic Federation, to which they are perforce directly related, as veritable Godfolks. --The Dead-end of History! http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:32:57 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Harsh film thinking out loud! Failed the design mark. In-Reply-To: <199911291908.LAA24650@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:08 AM 11/29/99 -0800, you wrote: ><> Brian Hutchings 29-NOV-1999 11:08 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > really, to get a PhD in Philosophy (those whacky, > redundant Greeks) ?!?... is this one > o'those automated educational devices at Princeton? > Yes, 100% computerized. :-D -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:41:43 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: A classroom context for Fluidiom, Dome, Povray etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > A classroom has many functions, only one of which is group > > learning. It also provides (forced) social situations which > > foster relationships and social skills among the students. > money and make it all go mobil. You still have people around you > where ever you go. True, but a classroom *imposes* social interaction on you. Many children would choose naturally to interact -- but what about the wallflowers? (like me, when I was young?) I was a very lonely, solitary child who never chose to interact with my peers. School essentialy forced me to learn to get along with them...and increased my social skills in the process. I would have preferred a less annoying method, but it did work. > Just you and your think pad. Exactly my point! *Just* you and your terminal. It's potentially very isolating. -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:48:17 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: Help with dome project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I am no longer Christian, as I was brought up to be. UP being a flat Well, Christian or not, most people know what the nativity scene looks like, and what would be appropriate. My goal is to provide an appropriate looking vignette. I've even managed, with a few optical tricks, to produce the "Catholic" golden halo around the baby Jesus, which appears in so many of their paintings. A geodesic dome, though easy to build and quite attractive, just wouldn't look right in a very traditional nativity scene. Any thoughts about how I could make a "Jerusalem" style dome that would look right, and yet be collapsible? I got one suggestion about using foil faced foam, which would be painted to provide the correct appearance. This might work, but I'm not convinced of how flexible the foam would be. (It must be curved...not faceted) -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:35:03 -0700 Reply-To: bward@metro.net Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bruce Ward Organization: chhhyehh...right... Subject: Re: Help with dome project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > A geodesic dome, though easy to build and quite attractive, > just wouldn't look right in a very traditional nativity scene. Any > thoughts about how I could make a "Jerusalem" style dome > that would look right, and yet be collapsible? > > I got one suggestion about using foil faced foam, which would > be painted to provide the correct appearance. This might work, > but I'm not convinced of how flexible the foam would be. (It must > be curved...not faceted) > > -- Chuck Knight Chuck, the foil faced foam I recommended will curve on one axis to a limited degree, but won't permit compound curvature. The thinner the sheet, the tighter the curve it will accept without breaking. Still not sure I understand the shape you're trying to generate. Best regards,