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> >Education is food, shelter and then computers. I add travel. all free!!
>
> It's not free.  You have responsibilities.  We expect you
> to learn in order to contribute.  It's not just a joy ride.
> People are dying.  This is a serious game.  This isn't about
> wasting time and just joking around.  Sorry.
>

This is why I am pissed off about the film.  When you are a design
scientistand you have the resources to do a mass communication and blow it,
it
may be the last chance.  It could have made a difference but no it
stumbled and babbled and groaned about nothing. I liked it because I met
a few of his friends that I had never met. I do not idolize bucky I
understand him
and I am a very average person that he helped become informed as he did
many.
My point is There film design was flat earth and stupid. It may have been
the last chance
we will see. Every minute counts with this and we are on borrowed time.
I may be making the same mistake you did with the bfi , but also his family
was
involved with the film as well.  If they did not understand what was going
on then
they are at fault to trust these new comers to make the film.
Tony Huston and barbara trent and you and I would have made a better film
for sure.  I would like to have a list of the names and addresses of all
that was in the
film so as to comfort them with there messages.  They were on not that close

to the real bucky in many ways lots of the time. But that was the editing
not
always them.  I hated the film. If I had the money I would make a much
more honest film.  The truth is great and few no the truth about this man.
He was a suicidal drunk.  He rehabilitated himself.  Not one thing was
mentioned about
his daughters cane, or the mystery of only the impossible happens, or
how his life moved from one miracle to another because he was honest.
The fact that comprehensive thinking is a new idea for humanity at large and

that the educational system is specialized in order to take advantage of the

population for slavery in the past and still is by proxy from serfdom.
The fact that the powerful made the system so as to run it for themselves.
Your conflict with politics is does not hold water.
We must have a vote for our ideas the only way to do this is
with designs that are backed by a party with a comprehensive plan for the
world.  All countries can vote for this party and this is the only way this
will
happen.  politics is votes, this is the only way it can happen. Violence
will
be the only alternative.  If you teach it in the schools then what.
It must go to vote. this is the only design for freedom of choice for a
planet or country to change without war.  Design the vote. Unify the vote
unify the worlds resources and unitivity at large of all events.

> >It needs a new rebirth of schools, a new complete unitific educational
> >format.
> >
>
> I hate the word "unitific" and will never use it myself.
> But you're free too.
>
> Kirby
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Then why is it that you are talking with me on your home think pad.
It is just the opposite. The world is at your finger tips.  But always
people are in your world as you  travel and most of all they are your
best friends because you are alone then everyone you meet is your best
friend. Harp on the old design if you wish but look deep into your
monitor and see me saying to you, you are a friend now as we type
just as much as if we were close in view.

Charles J Knight wrote:

> > > A classroom has many functions, only one of which is group
> > > learning.  It also provides (forced) social situations which
> > > foster relationships and social skills among the students.
>
> > money and make it all go mobil. You still have people around you
> > where ever you go.
>
> True, but a classroom *imposes* social interaction on you.  Many
> children would choose naturally to interact -- but what about the
> wallflowers?  (like me, when I was young?)  I was a very lonely,
> solitary child who never chose to interact with my peers.  School
> essentialy forced me to learn to get along with them...and increased
> my social skills in the process.
>
> I would have preferred a less annoying method, but it did work.
>
> > Just you and your think pad.
>
> Exactly my point!  *Just* you and your terminal.  It's potentially very
> isolating.
>
>      -- Chuck Knight
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It is hard to show in one statement of fact.

One must study all the religions and see them not as belief structures but as
archeological sites that in there time and space fulfilled a purpose to learn
to read and write and to being freedom to people of the earth with different
religions and languages in geography.  IF you see them in chronofile you
will see the oldest was the nagas,  then hindi, then Buddha, Judaism,
christianity
catholic and protestant, Shinto, Confucius, Mohammed and then you have
all the native indians of all the world, the eskimos, Newginnie, Egyptian, mayan

toltec, etc. all the different sites of ideas to explain the universe. The fact
is they
all have one thing in common design science on the move to understand and
live together in a more or less power sharing way together, some would kill
people a lot some would allow them to live more, as time goes on more live
for together for longer times until now, but the technology climbs with the
motion in time that we still have the bomb and have not voted to unite
all of the ideas into one of trust so we can do away with the last killing
ideas of each other.  OVer time we have learned that to eat each other
was not the reason for war any more.  That now we have enough food
to go around with out war and shelter if we plan the planet.
The planet is not yet under one management. IF you get my drift.
A unitivitist has the behavior pattern of acceptance and to use the best of
all design to make the dymaxion state to date for life on earth.  All these
religions are in fact a part of history that is still alive from the past and
should be respected and united with only the participants to agree that
all have the right to participate with their behavior as long as it does not
become war of any kind and force others to do anything.  This is the unitivity
model to allow all to be one with each other by history and live together
in the future to allow an interaction of participation for design success
for all humanity in the future.  The reasons for war are wrong.
Religion is the last reason for war. This acceptance is a result of unitivity.
The fact the the universe does not make us all one religion and that
to have the audacity to think that you an tell anyone else what to do
is wrong, unless they are at war and you must fight back.
So the paradox is only when war occurs. War on war is what unitivity is
in a social point of view.  Unitivity is what is natural in nature as one with
all
to date. The idea that all principles are really one.  That all people are one
with it, that all people should allow all others to live with the one by their
own
designs as long as it is not violent to others, and moves by vote and not
force.  Design is the way to vote and vote is a way to design.
People must have freedom to vote for there own way and this unites all of us.
One planet with one love.

Jonathan Thompson wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Mitchell
> > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 7:22 PM
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> >
> >
> > I am no longer Christian, as I was brought up to be. UP being a flat earth
> > word.
> > I am now for all religions and I celebrate with you and say yes I
> > love your
> > spirit, I am not against it nor am I mocking it, I whole heatedly see the
> > way the
>
> Michael
>
> I honestly can not understand how one can believe in all religions.  Being
> united is one thing.  Unitivity (as in everything is one, all is united)
> would appear to be greatly self-contradicting if it includes believing in
> all religions.  Being tolerant of others' beliefs is generally a good thing
> (I believe I am fairly tolerant, or at least I try to be) but it is not
> possible to believe in all religions without living in a majorly messy
> paradox.  Indeed, if you do believe in all views as correct, it is
> self-defeating, because there are combinations of opposite beliefs that
> extol the virtue of wiping out someone of a particular other religion
> (pardon the horrible contradiction of that whole statement!) because they
> are "infidels" or "gentiles" or "pagans" or "whatever".
>
> Whatever else I might think about your views (agree or disagree) I would
> suggest that this statement be rethought.  A lot of religions seem to be
> paradoxical in some of their teachings, and it is often deep and subtle.

They are not, they have diet, and mainly have planting days etc., thatcome from
calendar moments to work around the year.
They are celebrations of birth, death, growing food, and rules of the road
so to speak. When they fight over land that is claimed for certain reasons
this is your best argument on this tilt, But to die for being holy is the real
paradox and to kill for the command meant not to kill etc.
The fact is all religions say the same basic patterns, be good,
be honest, do not steal, kill, be healthy and when humanity
has an after life, a present life and a spirit etc., these all are many times
the same story that are in different languages and different terrain.
The smaller the area the more power goes to the leaders.
The larger the freedom spreads to others to be freed from
power structures etc.  They are historical meta archeological sites
of human gestation rates.  They can be traced like hands on a clock.
We now must move to allowing the clock to play itself out and this is
allowing them all to spin as one history that is nothing to deny.
They are not non interactive or we would have atomic wars over them
by now. They are working them selves out as we  live now.
My point is if it make you happy do it but mind your own business.
It is like if you are a homo sexual then that is your business if you try
and make others do it, then you are doing something that is selfish and
not allowing others to vote. I do not care on iota if anyone else is a
unitivitist.
To me it make for a better life to care and love all the ways humanity has
worked together.
It is not easy to explain, I have been around the world and went to all the
temples of all these religions and talked with the people myself.
I see and feel the same history in all of them as the world evolved
and now I see it coming back together and being easy to explain that
no one religions is king for they are all part of the human story and
if you study the archeology of them all they are all not half and
complicated as they all or different as they all would like to believe.

> The belief that all religions should all be unified and that they are all
> good and work with each other is the ultimate paradox.  And no, not all
> religions have the same general ideas of what constitutes "good" as Satanism
> is technically a religion, but twists things around in very interesting
> ways.  There are some religions that do not believe in a devil figure.

If you study archeological phonics you will see the devil is lived backwardsin a
mirror.  This is part of the polar complimentarity of science in all
stories and all events.  The positron and the electron. Live or die, etc.

The fables and stories are not half as deep as when you teach a child how
to tie his shoes.  There have been many shoes tied or religions sown, there
is only one god or one force that allows it all and we all live within it and
have
this in common with all humans that have evolved in all time.
The fact is this one force is full of stars and light and this makes everything
we and they have ever know. The world was flat and the sun went around us
when these stories were invented and when you believe that when we went
to the moon that these same stories now mean the same I think you have to
go a long way to start saying 2 thousand years ago when a power structure
king was going to kill your family because you would not build him a tomb that
you would rather find a different leader and belief system to live with.
This was the real world at these times and the life expectancy was 20 years old
so you could not teach your children anything for if at six teen when you could
have
children they would be on an average 4 years old when you died of old age.
This means they would be subject to the power structures communication
for the kings kids would live longer and have more ways to lie to you and make
you stay in the same spot.  This is what humanity is still up against in many
ways
a sort of genetic instinct to over power each other and us religions and nations

and class and race and all these separation methods to make the power stay as
it has always been.  Families would kill each other as in the history of england

and only 150 years ago you could be hung at a tree in the british isles for
eating
a rabbit.  You see we have grown so little in the past and so fast in the last
100 years that you take it for granted that the dark ages are over.
I say no separation, unify. This is the way of nature.  When all humanity is
dead and we are all dirt in the ground you could not separate us by class
race, religion, or any other departmental way. We would all be dirt.
We are all just dirt and water, but we have our spirits and we are all one
now as when we die, just dirt and water with the ability to design for the
future humans to come, do you want them to be Christian unitivitists,
Jewish unitivitist, Mohammed unitivitists, Buddha unitivitists are do you
want them to be the same old conflicting ass holes that will not allow
any thing but their own selfish way to be it or nothing. We are dirt
and all one big dirt pile here and really that dirt goes the speed of light
and it sweeps out dirt circles as it goes and the area of the dirt is very
much what we are. circles of dirt the speed of light. What I am saying is
the circles of dirt have a mean area and that is light speed, this area
has to be in relation to all other dirt area sweeping and that the radii of all
sweeps is all that separates the one universe by different volumes that cause
time. That we live in a make believe time for circles that is god. WE say the
earth went around the sun and we call it time, one year.
We are so many years old, this is precessions of earth around our
little star that is very average in size, it is one of billions of time orbiting

systems that have big stars that would have bigger time for there orbits
if they have solar systems around it this also goes for electrons they
have different sizes but they have area sweep out this is the most
unifying part of it all, I am interested in measuring gods area.
This is what I am working at.  Man is here an average of 87 sweep outs of the
sun.  The 187,000 tons of food water and air that goes through an average man
in 67 years has an area of sweep out that makes the person be as a monkey like
animal, mammal that can replicate itself, the idea of living and designing for
future replicators is what I am getting at.  WE need to design the earth to
allow
others to come not to have to fight all these holy wars of selfishness anymore.

IT is hard to explain, because it is hard to see where anyone else is thinking
from.



> In
> short, tolerance is one thing to preach and practice that can be resolved to
> some degree, but equal belief in all can not be resolved in a
> non-paradoxical manner, as to believe all are equally correct means that all
> are logically incorrect, as they refute each other.  If you took away all of
> the contradictions between them, there would be little more in common than
> the fact that we all came to exist somehow.
>

They do not happen in time a once, they are separated in time archeologicallyby
many years of orbits of the sun.

When I was at Buddha's temple in Katmandu the pictures of the ten commandments
were on the wall they had been there a long time. He was 500 years before
Jesus.   Just an example.  The fact that what information jesus has for humanity

is not taken away nor that he was any more a mystical son of god than you are.
The fact is be it fable or myth, if it gets you through the night, it helps, I
say
good, it is all good and it all has had its day and we all have a right to be
happy
with what ever we think as long as we hurt no one else. If satan is what you
like and you do not break a commandment then so be it. When you hurt some
one to make them by force to do anything then you have gone against all
the gods of all the religions and the force will not be with you luke sky
walker.

> Have a nice day!
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A mouse trap is a mouse trap.
That is funny though.
Oh! the net.

Brian Hutchings wrote:

> MESSAGE from ="List 29-NOV-1999 10:53
>  Brian Hutchings wrote:   alternatively,,
>
>  >  since the vertices are 3-way,
>  >
>
>  You may now say syntrific or 3 being in one event.My new word for this. A triangle
>  is syntrific the action
>  of syntrivity or 3 making one event. Please note this in
>  your dictionary. Thank you (c) 1999 MSM
>
>  >
>  >
>  >  --The Duke of Oil!
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> <<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      29-NOV-1999 11:25
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>  on the net, you can pimp for free!
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> Then why is it that you are talking with me on your home think pad.

Actually, it's a desktop.  But that doesn't matter.  :-)

> It is just the opposite. The world is at your finger tips.  But
> always
> people are in your world as you  travel and most of all they are
> your
> best friends because you are alone then everyone you meet is your
> best

Well, yes and no.  We are pen pals, albeit high tech ones, with a
minimal time lag.  We don't even have a *verbal* discussion going
on right now.  Indeed, realistically, I have no way to prove that you
are,
in fact, an adult male named Michael Mitchell.  I simply trust that you
are.  The internet provides anonymity, for those who wish to use it.

I would hate to think that I would have to learn *everything* about
social situations through my computer.

(However -- I do happen to agree with you on this one.  A virtual
"classroom" scenario is the next logical step, and a global
travel network would likely be next.)

> > True, but a classroom *imposes* social interaction on you.  Many
> >
> friend. Harp on the old design if you wish but look deep into your
> monitor and see me saying to you, you are a friend now as we type
> just as much as if we were close in view.

I'm just playing Devil's advocate -- but, there are serious limitations
imposed by a virtual classroom scenario, when compared to a
traditional centralized classroom.  They *need* to be addressed.
I'm sure we can "fix" it.

Remember, providing raw data is only 1 function of a classroom.

     -- Chuck Knight
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Do not get me wrong when I am in a car wreck the first thing I go to
is what ever will save me and I am right there with you again.
I say please jesus let me out of here.

Now!
I sort of feel that i am praying to the orbit of the earth through a
server and micro chip called religion with fiber optics to the satellite
and micro waved to god.  Do not get me wrong I do not believe anything
I only go by experience. This science and I do think that jesus existed
and
that his father was a boat builder and thaught him stuff from working on
the
boats when the monsoons came through.  This would allow the
sailors from the indian ocean that were Buddhists to communicate with
Jesus' father, and the nativity scene is my favorite as well.
It gives the whole ring theory of life that the family and replication
of the family goes on in this mystery of god and a humble place that
we all come from money are not.
Only truth and love works.
I mean no harm to your design please consider me some one that
can not think of a good one for you to use right now.
The seed pod dome would fold, use the waterman sphere or something.
I forgot his name not jesus, the guy that invented that don moore sphere
or
copied Don Moores idea.

Charles J Knight wrote:

> > I am no longer Christian, as I was brought up to be. UP being a flat
>
> Well, Christian or not, most people know what the nativity scene
> looks like, and what would be appropriate.
>
> My goal is to provide an appropriate looking vignette.  I've even
> managed, with a few optical tricks, to produce the "Catholic"
> golden halo around the baby Jesus, which appears in so many
> of their paintings.
>
> A geodesic dome, though easy to build and quite attractive,
> just wouldn't look right in a very traditional nativity scene.  Any
> thoughts about how I could make a "Jerusalem" style dome
> that would look right, and yet be collapsible?
>
> I got one suggestion about using foil faced foam, which would
> be painted to provide the correct appearance.  This might work,
> but I'm not convinced of how flexible the foam would be.  (It must
> be curved...not faceted)
>
>      -- Chuck Knight
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>(However -- I do happen to agree with you on this one.  A virtual
>"classroom" scenario is the next logical step, and a global
>travel network would likely be next.)
>

Case in point:  a subscriber to my synergetics list just posted
some parametric equations for a spiral a couple days ago.  Something
he'd been thinking about on his own.

Tonight I programmed the equations in Python and generated some
ray tracings, and uploaded my results to the web, which anyone
can check at http://urnerk.tripod.com/projects/chako.html

All very informal -- just throwing stuff together, playing around.
This is all learning behavior, which is play like, doesn't involve
wasting a lot of time on formal presentations, trying to make
an impression (because we're just throwing ideas around inhouse,
so to speak).

This is a global classroom.  Other times some of us use voice to
chat over the internet, plus Fluidiom (what used to be Struck) is
now groupware.  We also join one another in ActiveWorlds.  This
is all a reality today -- a virtual "classroom" for people studying
design science, synergetics or whatever.  Meeting in person still
happens of course, but less and less do we need to wait for those
opportunities before we start getting work done.

Plus I'm about to depart for South Africa, day after tomorrow,
to push my end hunger agenda at the World Parliament of Religions
in Cape Town.  So the travel part is in it too.  I'll likely be
able to continue these collaborative projects while in the other
hemisphere, enjoying summer time for awhile.  Will post from there
next time.

Kirby
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I would go for the gold dome look as in Moscow on the Kremlin
open brick church area.  I think a light show would be better
like a dance ball with a light on it keep it open but do a light show.
No weight, just lights focues at different angles and some bright
that look like search lights from wwll in england that spin in the sky
for bat man or super man.

Bruce Ward wrote:

> > A geodesic dome, though easy to build and quite attractive,
> > just wouldn't look right in a very traditional nativity scene.  Any
> > thoughts about how I could make a "Jerusalem" style dome
> > that would look right, and yet be collapsible?
> >
> > I got one suggestion about using foil faced foam, which would
> > be painted to provide the correct appearance.  This might work,
> > but I'm not convinced of how flexible the foam would be.  (It must
> > be curved...not faceted)
> >
> >      -- Chuck Knight
>
> Chuck,
> the foil faced foam I recommended will curve on one axis to a limited
> degree, but won't permit compound curvature.  The thinner the sheet, the
> tighter the curve it will accept without breaking.  Still not sure I
> understand the shape you're trying to generate.
>
> Best regards,
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I would go for the gold dome look as in Moscow on the Kremlin
open brick church area.  I think a light show would be better
like a dance ball with a light on it keep it open but do a light show.
No weight, just lights focus at different angles and some bright
that look like search lights from wwll in england that spin in the sky
for bat man or super man.

Bruce Ward wrote:

> > A geodesic dome, though easy to build and quite attractive,
> > just wouldn't look right in a very traditional nativity scene.  Any
> > thoughts about how I could make a "Jerusalem" style dome
> > that would look right, and yet be collapsible?
> >
> > I got one suggestion about using foil faced foam, which would
> > be painted to provide the correct appearance.  This might work,
> > but I'm not convinced of how flexible the foam would be.  (It must
> > be curved...not faceted)
> >
> >      -- Chuck Knight
>
> Chuck,
> the foil faced foam I recommended will curve on one axis to a limited
> degree, but won't permit compound curvature.  The thinner the sheet, the
> tighter the curve it will accept without breaking.  Still not sure I
> understand the shape you're trying to generate.
>
> Best regards,
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> I would go for the gold dome look as in Moscow on the Kremlin
> open brick church area.  I think a light show would be better
> like a dance ball with a light on it keep it open but do a light
> show.
> No weight, just lights focues at different angles and some bright
> that look like search lights from wwll in england that spin in the
> sky
> for bat man or super man.

You know, I was considering doing a LASER light show last
year -- picked up some low powered diode and gas LASERS,
and everything.  The county had no problem with me doing it
either.

Might be fun to do that, on the inside of a translucent fabric dome.

The searchlights would be pushing it "over the top" for my
design, though.  :-)  Besides -- the power bill!

     -- Chuck Knight
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Eric,

In the Buckminster Fuller Master Index scroll down to "Snyder, Jaime" at the
following page:
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Sho-Sper.htm

He is co-executor with his mom of the Buckminster Fuller Estate in
Sebastopol, CA, USA.

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

----- Original Message -----
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> Tetworld Global Advisory Committee -
http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/advisory.html
>
> To: All

(snip)

> San Francisco Bay with Werner Erhard, Bucky and his grandson Jaime Snyder.
I
> worked with Jaime building models for a new venture called "Worldworks"
and
> thought we were really going to make a difference in the world! (actually
we
> did!) Werner asked me to be the skipper of his new sailboat and once I got
> married, I lost track of Jaime. I studied Astronomy at UC Berkeley for a
>
(snip)

> Eric Lowe
> ericandjayne@bigplanet.com
>
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> went wrong, e.g. when the car flipped -- through no fault of Bucky's I
realize).

Why did the dymaxion car flip? The "Thinking Out Loud" program narrator says
that no one really knows what caused the crash,  but the coroner's
investigation cleared the car. Martin Pawley says, if I hear correctly,

"You're travelling in this car, the steering wheel moves outside the track
of the front two wheels at speed, another vehicle comes in between, and the
car rolls over, someone dies."

I couldn't read the details of the newspaper clippings on screen. Did
another car
come between the dymaxion car's location and where it was going?
I think at low speed it was normal,  if you wanted to make a very tight
turn, for the single steering wheel at the rear to move outside the track of
the front wheels.  When Bucky was pivoting around the cop in the
intersection it looks like the turning radius is about 3 feet. Probably  the
steering wheel never needs to get outside the track to accomplish the larger
radius turns you normally encounter at higher speeds.  But, nothing stops
you from steering hard into a  3' circle at 60 mph, except that  when  the
rear wheel gets far enough out, the forward momentum of the car will cause
it to roll. The driver (who was killed) and his two passengers  had never
ridden in the car before. I'm guessing at some of those details, is that a
reasonable description?
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      06-DEC-1999 15:42
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 be that as it may, I was just reading about the Audi TT,
 designed without enough testing, had a rounded,
 lift-surface-like body, which tended to lift in the rear,
 losing traction (it also had a frontwheel drive & engine,
 compounding the problem, or some thing).

 --Beat the Bushes!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      07-DEC-1999  9:41
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 if thou sayest, So, but, then,
 what is the "Laffer-Mundell" curve supposed to be about?
    I refer you all to the (unsigned) editorial
 in *national Review*, called "Global Warning,"
 about the notorious Mont Pelerin Society (past pres.ident,
 MF !-)

 thus quoth:
  No one has won, or will ever win, a Nobel Prize in Economics
  for "this supply-side stuff."

 also, refer to a chapter of the Bushbook, below.

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      07-DEC-1999 10:36
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 George Bush, the WTO, the Pacifica News Revolution and The End of History

 Originally at Midnight Special Books, FAIR'd scheduled Contreras to review
 some biography of "Dubya," the dubious 3rd generation from Skull and
 Bones, the "racist nightmare at Yale," but as rich as that might be,
 Junior has just not had enough time to generate a rapsheet like his
 father's, which a compliant mainstream kept deep under its churning
 surface, in much the same manner as they are still, allowing the twin
 turds or clown princes, Gore and Bush, to bob prayerfully in the front of
 their races.
    Seeing a Bush'00 Cmte., with its full-house of former Presidential
 aides from the Halcyon (tm) days of Iran-Contra -- itself of the ongoing
 *Cubano* theme & personnel of the Bay of Pigs fiasco -- and its ration of
 wonks from the "WAND Corp.", it is certainly an easier, or rather, looming
 target, to concentrate on one of the 3 books that were published in time
 for Sir George Bush's defeat at the polls, and which were presumably a
 cause of it. We will concentrate on that one [*], "as seen in the movie,
 The War Room" -- a bright orange paperback, you can't miss -- that was a
 product of a group that was actually jailed, in part, by Bush and company.
    Firstly, it is apropos to discuss the replacement topic of FAIR, the
 WTO, in that it quite exemplifies Bush's satyric New World Order, commonly
 associated with that doctrine (of the court *philosophes* of the French
 feudal lords of the time) of the Physiocrats, of *laissez-faire,
 laissez-passez*.  (In many marxist texts, this is often confused with
 capitalism, a technical term from Gauss that refers to "increasing the
 productive power of labor *per capita*.")
    Unfortuntaely, the key issue of sovereignity, though often mentioned,
 is not given its central role in defining the scope of the nation-state in
 enabling the General Welfare clause of the Constitution.  It is so sad
 that Roosevelt's anti-colonial legacy, over which he fought Churchill and
 his "eighteenth century methods," was largely subverted by Truman and his
 anglophilic advisors, like the Dulles bros., who gave us the "Red or Dead"
 paradigm of the Cold War, while the "special trade relations" of the
 colonies were kept intact by the colonizers, indeed aided by postwar USA
 transport & logistics [**].  Instead, we are often given a false dialectic
 between a chauvanist "nationalism" and an even more-rabid "globalization,"
 always forgetting that "free trade" is simply what the Empire imposes on
 its satraps and colonies!
    In the annals of that form of imperialism which the Bushes exemplify,
 although it is anathema to the purposes of our Founding Parental Units
 (and of Leibniz and his "pursuit of hapiness," and not property *per se*,
 as in the founding document of the Confederacy, the Constitution of
 S.Carolina by John Locke), Sir George's favorite is Teddy Roosevelt --
 TR's version [***].
    As with the current attempt to suppress 1 out of the 3 Democratic
 presidential candidates, to the point of simply not mentioning that he
 exists [****], ever, again, Teddy, the "Bull Moose" split the Republican
 Party to give the election to his fellow anglophile, Woodrow Wilson, who
 gave us the Federal Reserve Board (modelled after the Bank of England) and
 who revived the Ku Klux Klan from the White House (theretofore known as
 the Executive Mansion) with a premiere of "Birth of a Nation."  The
 "Republicans" now appear to want to split the vote between 2 policywise
 weak candidates, especially seeming to prefer Gore, because of his (and
 Senoir's) association with Armand Hammer, as well as his own many blots on
 the resume [***** e.g.].)
    Of course, it is not just NPR that is promoting this "anglophilic"
 vision, but the Pacifica News Network. After just a few years of leading
 the FAIR newsteam, Laura Flanders, a (former?) British Subject, has lept
 to the head of PNN programming.  It is not that she may be a whitting
 "agent" of the undead empire, euphemistically known as The Commonwealth,
 but rather the usual educational attainment of a Subject of the Crown
 [******], her mindset -- also scantily available to others with a Rhodes
 scholarship (N.B: Clinton didn't finish the programme, given the treat-
 ment by his "betters," of the awful colonialist, thankfully, and was a
 student of Quiggley's _Tragedy and Hope_).
    To know what those who go against "B2K," the interrputed Bush "'Nastic"
 Succession, from their OWN write, you must look at the "unofficially
 official history" of the Bush imperium, by another flunky from the "WAND"
 Corp., Francis Fukiyama, in the meign of Hegel or Heidegger (for Prussia
 and the Nazis, repsectively) -- but, they lost it. The book is, _The End
 of History_, and it should be buried with the Bush 'Nasty, soonest.

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 * _The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush_ by Chaitkin and Tarpley was
 published in one printing of a 100,000 copies, for distribution throughout
 Capitol Hill; out of print, but the entire text has been put online, with
 a bonus Chapter 18b, at http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm.

 ** See "FDR's Fight Against the British in East Asia" in *Executive
 Intelligence Review*, Nov.'99.

 *** An interesting adumbrage of this historiography is the cartoonish "A
 History of US" series for public school "social studies," recently
 published by Oxford U.Press.  The small book that is for "1870-1917,"
 contains large portions which are devoted to lionizing TR, the anglophilic
 imperialist who was pushed into politics by his uncle, the Confederate
 spymaster and supplier of British ships & material. The "textbook method"
 is so open to this kind of nasty revision, so, take care with that
 curriculum, SMMUSD!
    An interesting name, out of no-other in McKinley's Cabinet, was
 Treasury Secretary Olney's. One has to wonder, given KCRW's playing-along
 with the "only 2 candidates" lie.

 **** Lyn speaks, LIVE by satellite, at the Airport Marriott Hotel,
 December 11th Saturday 10 AM, by webcast at www.larouchecampaign.org.

 ***** See http://www.larouchepub.com/gore_war_2614 -- how Gore "turned
 Primakov's plane, around."

 ****** It is important to note a distinction, between the Public
 (Anglican) schools, and whatever the others are called!
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On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, Lee Bonnifield wrote:
> Why did the dymaxion car flip?

All the Bucky biographies agree: an unnamed low-level political figure was
racing/taunting the Dymaxion (and may have 'tapped' it) when it wrecked.
The other car was removed from the scene.  The first wave of news reported
it as the fault of the 'freak car.'  The second wave (less seen) stated
the car was not at fault.  The driver was a professional driver.  Read any
biography of Bucky and you'll read something like the above.

All that said, more details must surely exist but have not been published
widely yet.  Some day I hope Bucky achieves enough social merit that books
are written about single aspects of his life: the car, the domes, the
math, etc.

- Trevor

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Verlag der Kunst
Dresden, Germany

Dear Sirs,

Is your book _Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth_ by R Buckminster Fuller
still available?  (I'm sorry; I don't know how to translate the title into
German.)  You published it in May 1998.

Joe S Moore
mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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Joe, Operating Manual is I think at your site, but if not, a link to it can
be found in the links section at:
http"//members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/index.html
Mark

> From: Joe S Moore <joemoore@CRUZIO.COM>
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>
> Verlag der Kunst
> Dresden, Germany
>
> Dear Sirs,
>
> Is your book _Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth_ by R Buckminster Fuller
> still available?  (I'm sorry; I don't know how to translate the title into
> German.)  You published it in May 1998.
>
> Joe S Moore
> mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
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The German version of _Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth_ is located at:
http://www.txt.de/vdk/fuller.htm

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Joe S Moore" <joemoore@cruzio.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 1:00 AM
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> Dear Mr. Moore,
> The book _Buckminster Fuller: Bedienungsanleitung für das Raumschiff
Erde_.
> is avalible. It was published in our FUNDUS series. The price is DEM
28,00.
>
> Best regards,
> Barbara Schmidt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <verlag-der-kunst.dd@t-online.de>
> Cc: _Geodesic <GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 7:53 AM
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>
>
> > Verlag der Kunst
> > Dresden, Germany
> >
> > Dear Sirs,
> >
> > Is your book _Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth_ by R Buckminster
> Fuller
> > still available?  (I'm sorry; I don't know how to translate the title
into
> > German.)  You published it in May 1998.
> >
> > Joe S Moore
> > mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
> > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
> > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
> >
> >
>
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Bucky told me that a cab ran a stop sign and hit his car and it rolled over.
The news papers stated freak car roll over kill people.
It was not the cars fault at all, because bucky does not lie.

Lee Bonnifield wrote:

> > went wrong, e.g. when the car flipped -- through no fault of Bucky's I
> realize).
>
> Why did the dymaxion car flip? The "Thinking Out Loud" program narrator says
> that no one really knows what caused the crash,  but the coroner's
> investigation cleared the car. Martin Pawley says, if I hear correctly,
>
> "You're travelling in this car, the steering wheel moves outside the track
> of the front two wheels at speed, another vehicle comes in between, and the
> car rolls over, someone dies."
>
> I couldn't read the details of the newspaper clippings on screen. Did
> another car
> come between the dymaxion car's location and where it was going?
> I think at low speed it was normal,  if you wanted to make a very tight
> turn, for the single steering wheel at the rear to move outside the track of
> the front wheels.  When Bucky was pivoting around the cop in the
> intersection it looks like the turning radius is about 3 feet. Probably  the
> steering wheel never needs to get outside the track to accomplish the larger
> radius turns you normally encounter at higher speeds.  But, nothing stops
> you from steering hard into a  3' circle at 60 mph, except that  when  the
> rear wheel gets far enough out, the forward momentum of the car will cause
> it to roll. The driver (who was killed) and his two passengers  had never
> ridden in the car before. I'm guessing at some of those details, is that a
> reasonable description?
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I met the girl that did this book in Japan once
with Buzz Aldrin after he sobered up. or out.

Joe S Moore wrote:

> The German version of _Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth_ is located at:
> http://www.txt.de/vdk/fuller.htm
>
> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dr. Barbara Schmidt" <verlag-der-kunst.dd@t-online.de>
> To: "Joe S Moore" <joemoore@cruzio.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 1:00 AM
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>
> > Dear Mr. Moore,
> > The book _Buckminster Fuller: Bedienungsanleitung für das Raumschiff
> Erde_.
> > is avalible. It was published in our FUNDUS series. The price is DEM
> 28,00.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Barbara Schmidt
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joe S Moore <joemoore@cruzio.com>
> > To: <verlag-der-kunst.dd@t-online.de>
> > Cc: _Geodesic <GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 7:53 AM
> > Subject: OPERATING MANUAL
> >
> >
> > > Verlag der Kunst
> > > Dresden, Germany
> > >
> > > Dear Sirs,
> > >
> > > Is your book _Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth_ by R Buckminster
> > Fuller
> > > still available?  (I'm sorry; I don't know how to translate the title
> into
> > > German.)  You published it in May 1998.
> > >
> > > Joe S Moore
> > > mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
> > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
> > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
> > >
> > >
> >
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Refrigeration is another form of unitivity.

There is only loss of heat in the universe and this is a matter
of angular area sweep out being divided in time by radius
length. Time is a radii sweep out anyway so unitivity is
a subdivision of radii sweep outs relative to all other area
sweep outs. The unitivity radii is the main one and only one that
all other are sweeping from. so there.
Heat is high area sweep out in a small radii, cold is to lengthen the
radii and reduce the speed. This is solid, liquid,  and gases. All the same

radii just different speeds. All the same energy just different radii.
Energy is the area not the radii or speed. This is unitivity stuff.
Conservation of entropy.
Think about it and happy holidays, they are having a boat parade here
in San Pedro, lots of lights and people yelling.
Lots of area sweeping over here.
Latter, Sea Ya!
Think I will have another galss of wine.
:-)

Brian Hutchings wrote:

> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      29-NOV-1999 10:58
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  you hit upon the other name for the Science of Unitivity:
>  What Ever!
>
>  thus quoth:
>   are "infidels" or "gentiles" or "pagans" or "whatever".
>
>  --The Duke of Oil!
>  http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm
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Mark,

_Nine Chains to the Moon_ is available at the BFI website; see STORE/BOOKS:
http://www.bfi.org/

Also, the Table of Contents for 9 Chains is available at:
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/ByBFbook-NineChainsToTheMoon.htm

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> Tetworld Global Advisory Committee -
http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/advisory.html
>
(snip)
>
> I lost my copy of Nine Chains many years ago--but I remember one
especially
> important chapter, entitled something like--"Emergence Through
> Emergency"--in which Fuller says something like:  It is important to do a
> thorough survey of world conditions and in anticipation of potential
> emergencies as revealed from the survey, prepare a solution for it--in
> advance.  When the emergency occurs (due to the short-sighted, reactive
> thinking in politics), and there's no good solution immediately in sight,
> step forward with the anticipated for emergency solution, because it is at
> that point (the emergency) when the system is most vulnerable, and a good
> solution (consistent with a global strategy) can be interjected.
>
> I'm not sure of the reliability of my memory here--though the theme and
> thrust seem to fit--so if anyone has a copy of the chapter, and could send
a
> copy of it to me--so that it can be included at Tetworld, I would be very
> grateful.
>
> My mailing address is:
>
> Mark Siegmund
> HC2 Box 434H2
> Wonder Valley, California  92277
>
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Halim,

The answer is YES!
Domes of about a mile in diameter would have to be of the "Tensegrity" type;
see:
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityDowntownCover.htm
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-C.htm
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCrater.htm
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/OctaIrregTensegTrussDouble.htm

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

"Ernie Aiken @ Worldflower Garden Domes" <wgd@gtwn.net> wrote in message
news:38569641.982D20AE@gtwn.net...
> Subject:    large domes
>    Date:   Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:35:58 +0400
>    From:    Halim Hani <a4b3c2d1@emirates.net.ae>
>      To:     wgd@gtwn.net
>
> Dears,
>
> we are planing the
> " DESERT SNOW VILLAGE " in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
> The snow village will have an area of 3000 ft x 5000 ft x 1000 ft high,
> enclosed within an air structure system with a varying winter temp.
> of  28c and a summer of 50c outside. Also Humidity levels remain
> between 50% - 100%, whilst we maintain a constant temp.
> of 0 c to + 10c within the enclosed structure.
> Some of the facilities to be provided in the snow village include,
> hotels and restaurants, motels , housing and  furnishing apartments,
> shopping malls, carcables, and ski slopes with an artificial mountain of
> 330 ft height (100m), indoor amusement center  with high tech Virtual
> reality,
> outdoor leisurepark, theatre,nursery, medical center, ice-skating , 360
> o cinema ,
> monorails  and monorailtaxi connected to center city , sport facility to
> the international standard like tennis court , bowling and billiard, rugby
> stadium, mini golf and many other activities.
>
> estimation cost about $ 1.000 Millions with a complete return within 5
> to 6 years
>
> The expected daily influx of visitors is between 10.000 to 15.000  or
> maybe more.
> All in all making DESERT SNOW VILLAGE - DUBAI a unique worldwide of it's
>
> kind. most of our residencce house having a double view
> one side you look to the desert and their beauty
> the other side you look to the snow mountain and their beauty.
>
>
> our question now is :
>
> can you built a  " 5000 " ft dome out of steel framing or aluminiun ???
>
> I know that's such size is so huge but will be the first of it's size
> worlwide
>  awaiting your early reply
>
> With our best regards,
>
>
> Halim Hani
> general manager.
>
> Our mailing address :
>
> Al Salamah International Trading & Marketing Est.
> Tourist Club Area
> P.O. Box : 43944
> Abu Dhabi
> United Arab Emirates
>
> Tel  : 00971 2 793 500
> Fax : 00971 2 748 956
> E-mail: [deleted]
> ========================
>
> I referred him to these groups more experianced with megadomes-
>  http://www.synergeticsinc.com/Default.htm
>  http://www.starnetint.com/
> http://www.temcor.com/
> http://www.geometrica.com/
> = = =>>Happy Holidays<<= = = =
> Fr. Magnus y2k dome -->
> http://www.employees.csbsju.edu/mwenninger/2000.html
> "The millennium ball is foremost a symbol of celebration,"....
> http://www.machinedesign.com/edit/features/120999/120999ball.pdf
> = = =>>Happy Holidays<<= = = =
> Ernie
> http://www.gtwn.net/~wgd/temp/newsletter1.html
>
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Joe, thanks--as always the Virtual Institute stands ready to be of
assistance!
Mark

> From: Joe S Moore <joemoore@CRUZIO.COM>
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> works"<GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
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> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> Subject: Re: Notes about postings--
>
> Mark,
>
> _Nine Chains to the Moon_ is available at the BFI website; see STORE/BOOKS:
> http://www.bfi.org/
>
> Also, the Table of Contents for 9 Chains is available at:
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/ByBFbook-NineChainsToTheMoon.htm
>
> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Siegmund" <siegmund@thegrid.net>
> To: "Global Advisory Committee" <adcomm@listbot.com>; "Tetglobal list"
> <tetglobal@listbot.com>; "Tetworld" <Tetworld@listbot.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 11:23 AM
> Subject: Notes about postings--
>
>
>> Tetworld Global Advisory Committee -
> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/advisory.html
>>
> (snip)
>>
>> I lost my copy of Nine Chains many years ago--but I remember one
> especially
>> important chapter, entitled something like--"Emergence Through
>> Emergency"--in which Fuller says something like:  It is important to do a
>> thorough survey of world conditions and in anticipation of potential
>> emergencies as revealed from the survey, prepare a solution for it--in
>> advance.  When the emergency occurs (due to the short-sighted, reactive
>> thinking in politics), and there's no good solution immediately in sight,
>> step forward with the anticipated for emergency solution, because it is at
>> that point (the emergency) when the system is most vulnerable, and a good
>> solution (consistent with a global strategy) can be interjected.
>>
>> I'm not sure of the reliability of my memory here--though the theme and
>> thrust seem to fit--so if anyone has a copy of the chapter, and could send
> a
>> copy of it to me--so that it can be included at Tetworld, I would be very
>> grateful.
>>
>> My mailing address is:
>>
>> Mark Siegmund
>> HC2 Box 434H2
>> Wonder Valley, California  92277
>>
>
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I am concerned that most schools have an old view of education.
The fact that comprehensivity is the greatest resource humans have
over all other specie, and we learn to ignore this fact in our educational
system.  This is why as I met a black lady yesterday in the Library
and she was stating that the reward for finding a witness for the killing
Drive by shooting of her son was only 25 grand and that this was not
enough for the 40 witnesses that saw it happen to say anything.
This is the state of the school grounds today, why?
Over specialization.
A flame war seems to be to be based on ego and lies.
My attempt to communicate ideas is based on what I see
as the truth, and I would call it hot but not flames.

I have won all my wars as far as I am concerned in this regard and
hope to see more challenging communication on the horizon.

Bucky appeals to all because he is honest and comprehensive.
All the education system produced students today have very little
to offer in most cases.  Bucky opens the doors for them to renew
thier visions and restudy what they have learned from a top view.
We are all monkeys on the same planet and we have the same needs.
The act of designing to share and care for all is the only way to make
it heaven on earth. This is what the idea of life is all about to me.

prkosuth wrote:

> >
> > So in the midst of this recurring flame war, i appeal to all list members,
> > to please ignore the conflict.  Instead, let's concentrate on what is most
> > needed at this time -- a sensible and workable gradient which would allow
> > students at all levels to effectively apply Fuller's principles.
> >
> I concur ....
>
> Lets start talking about what is really cool and relevant to us about
> Fuller ..
>
> I for one like how he appeals to students of all ages .. when I list his
> accomplishments, outputs, close calls (The shores of Lake  Michigan) to my
> students they are in awe ... Fullers ability to tie it all together is what
> excites me ...
>
> What excites you ??
>
> Paul Kosuth
> prkosuth@midwest.net
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Really great ! These can be precessional rows of volumetric systems that
form
the helix and in many ways this is a model of all events frozen in time.
Thank you for the effort and communication.

Robert Burkhardt wrote:

> My attempt to use POV-Ray to render a tetrahelix and a double helix so
> both the strut and the sphere manifestations are visible simultaneously
> is available at
> http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/helices.html.
>
> I have been much impressed with POV-Ray and thank you all for
> introducing me to it.
>
> Bob
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Subject:      [Q-P] Mundell-Laffer phase-space

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      15-DEC-1999 14:47
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

  SUBJECT: [Q-P] Mundell-Laffer phase-space
  MESSAGE   from =r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.U 13-DEC-1999 15:47
  <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      13-DEC-1999 15:36
                   r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

      Although the Bank of Sweden avoids mention
   of Mundell's development of supply-side economics
   in its communique awarding him the Nobel Prize,
   this is the primary theory for which he is known,
   and promoted, today.  Mundell's theory on capital flows
   and excahnge rates is a key tenet of his supply-side economics.
   Mundell relates that in 1971, he attended a meeting
   of "distinguidhes economists," where he suggested that
   to support the US dollar, which was then falling, and
   to stinulate the economy, which was then stagnating,
   the US must follow a tight-money policy (by rasing interest rates,
   which'd support the dollar) and an expansionary budget policy
   (by cutting taxes, which'd supposedly stimulate the economy).


   ... and that's just the theory, folks,
   from a 4.5-page article; just another reason,
   why poor Ronnie got alzhiemer's, I guess.

   --The Duke of Oil!
   http://www.tarpley.net
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WOW!  Beautiful models.  Makes me want to snag POVray and find some
time...  :<)
Liked your tensegrity models as well.  Yeah, wire bites the handler and
nylon stre-e-e-etches
way too much (like 50%).  Find some braided Dacron (polyester) fishing
line.  The stretch is only 1 or 2%.

Also,  I gave up eye screws.  Don't need'em.  Way too expensive.  For my
dowel struts, I make a small boring jig with a drill and band clamp and
a couple of V-blocks.  After boring a
1/16'' hole in each end, I 'sharpen' the ends slightly by rounding them
down on a belt sander.  Next, I insert a finish nail coated with wood
glue into each end leaving about 3/16" (or slightly less) exposed.  The
braided dacron tendons are attached using only the clove hitch. After
assembly, final adjustments to tendon length are easily made by pressing
a strut tip inward to slacken the tendon and casting another half-hitch
over the nail head. I've made some 30 strut tensegrities with 1/2"
dowell and 70# test line that I cranked in until they bounced like
crazed basketballs.  ;<)   Enjoy!



> Robert Burkhardt wrote:
>
> > My attempt to use POV-Ray to render a tetrahelix and a double helix so
> > both the strut and the sphere manifestations are visible simultaneously
> > is available at
> > http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/helices.html.
> >
> > I have been much impressed with POV-Ray and thank you all for
> > introducing me to it.
> >
> > Bob
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Subject:      Re: [Q-P] the WTO, again

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      16-DEC-1999 12:56
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

  SUBJECT: Re: WTO again
  MESSAGE   from =dks@afn.org                       16-DEC-1999 12:14


    Brian Hutchings writes:

    >  [...] unfortunately,
    >  the "mafia" in Russia is supported to the hilt
    >  by the demands of the IMF, WTO etc.etc.ad vomitorium.
    >     these demands are further enforced by such "watchdogs"
    >  of the same, wicked elite, such as Transparaency Intl.,
    >  whose primary rhetoric against "crone capitalism" and
    >  otherwise *dirigiste* protections against the "will
    >  of the free market," is never directed against such
    >  as Soros "the golem," operating at a level
    >  that makes them able to smash whole economies,
    >  viz the Thai Baht to start the "
    >  Asian Crisis" -- insane!


  That the Russian Mafia enjoys its so-called "free market"
  and would not like a return to the old days is clear to me.

  That the IMF and like institutions make demands on the
  Russian government that (1) hurt the vast majority of Russians
  and (2) profit the Russian Mafia (among others) is also clear
  to me.  (It may not be clear to people who imagine that US
  policy is "friendly towards Russia," but that's another story.)

  That the people at Transparency International do not rail
  against *every* evil that runs rampant in the world is clear
  to me -- but then, how *could* they?

  That George Soros is a powerful man is clear to me; and that
  his actions often hurt innocent people is also clear to me.
  On the other hand, I have also noticed him doing good things,
  and I have not noticed him doing anything illegal.  He simply
  profits from the global financial system as it is.  Lots of
  people do that -- and unlike George Soros, they don't suggest
  reforms designed to make their own profiteering impossible.
  (Not to say that what Soros does is necessarily justifiable;
  only that the picture of his actions is more complicated than
  you make it out to be.)


  Cheers,
  Dhanesh

    Cambridge, Massachusetts
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      16-DEC-1999 12:58
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 > SUBJECT: Re: WTO again
 > MESSAGE   from =dks@afn.org                       16-DEC-1999 12:14
 >
 >
 >   Brian Hutchings writes:
 >
 >   >  [...] unfortunately,
 >   >  the "mafia" in Russia is supported to the hilt
 >   >  by the demands of the IMF, WTO etc.etc.ad vomitorium.
 >   >     these demands are further enforced by such "watchdogs"
 >   >  of the same, wicked elite, such as Transparaency Intl.,
 >   >  whose primary rhetoric against "crone capitalism" and
 >   >  otherwise *dirigiste* protections against the "will
 >   >  of the free market," is never directed against such
 >   >  as Soros "the golem," operating at a level
 >   >  that makes them able to smash whole economies,
 >   >  viz the Thai Baht to start the "
 >   >  Asian Crisis" -- insane!
 >
 >
 > That the Russian Mafia enjoys its so-called "free market"
 > and would not like a return to the old days is clear to me.
 >
 > That the IMF and like institutions make demands on the
 > Russian government that (1) hurt the vast majority of Russians
 > and (2) profit the Russian Mafia (among others) is also clear
 > to me.  (It may not be clear to people who imagine that US
 > policy is "friendly towards Russia," but that's another story.)
 >
 > That the people at Transparency International do not rail
 > against *every* evil that runs rampant in the world is clear
 > to me -- but then, how *could* they?
 >
 > That George Soros is a powerful man is clear to me; and that
 > his actions often hurt innocent people is also clear to me.
 > On the other hand, I have also noticed him doing good things,
 > and I have not noticed him doing anything illegal.  He simply
 > profits from the global financial system as it is.  Lots of
 > people do that -- and unlike George Soros, they don't suggest
 > reforms designed to make their own profiteering impossible.
 > (Not to say that what Soros does is necessarily justifiable;
 > only that the picture of his actions is more complicated than
 > you make it out to be.)
 >
 >
 > Cheers,
 > Dhanesh
 >
 >   Cambridge, Massachusetts
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Subject:      Re: Jamie Happy Holidays - mike
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Don't mind me to much I am just having fun with the web,
have a great holiday.  I look forward in seeing your progress
in life. Good Luck! You are doing great from here.
I miss bucky, I am sure you do much more.
Thanks for your kind words.
Your mother and father are great period.
Say hello to your sister.
Sea Yea! Your dad's book and films are the best!
mike
:-)
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> I think you're focusing too much on the negative spin.  I found
> a lot of positive in that film as well.  It's not the last word
> on Bucky, in any case.
>

No I am focusing on the fact that we have little time to change the
worldwith world game and this first film in public domain put bucky on the
same
shelf as all the other boring bull shit that he is not.
He is the first real chance for humanity on earth to do something
together and not slaughter and brag about it. Those days are over
and we have to do better than heads talking about their ego trips and
not his discoveries and inventions that will allow humanity to survive.
We do not have time and space for this sort of show off try to doing.

Bucky would have smiled and hated it. Bob Snyder's films blow this one
away.
It was a documentary of people that saw him go by.  They did not get the
spirit and the truth of bucky in this stupid film.
Any one that does not see this is just not educated about Fuller.
If some one knows enough to say this film stinks then they may
be on the right track with the Fuller spirit. It was over specialized
and a waste of precious time for humanities clock that is ticking away
and will take much longer because of the small focus of this dumb film.
Happy Holidays.
I hope the bomb doesn't drop on midnight 2000.
This film did not help stop it that is for sure!
It's a drunken cocktail party of editing.

> Kirby
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>I hope the bomb doesn't drop on midnight 2000.
>This film did not help stop it that is for sure!
>It's a drunken cocktail party of editing.
>

Fine.  We have different opinions.  I agree that
Bucky gave it his best shot, but declined being
labeled an optimist.  If it all goes to hell in
some way, I'm not going to blame it on this film,
as there are already enough people with leverage
to make a difference.  We don't need a lot of
big budget propaganda films to spread some gospel
according to Bucky.

It's a free country and film makers can make
the films they want.  I'm not interested in fostering
some regime that insist people toe the party line.
If we don't like the film, better to make a better
one than whine and complain.

Personally, I don't think you help advance design
science very much given the stuff you post -- you're
not at all like Bucky.

I'd have people (including young students) watch that
film as a way to gain some exposure to a great guy's
thinking, over having them read your unitivity stuff,
any day of the week.

Kirby
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Yasuhiko,  see below

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
=20
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  From: Yasuhiko Kimura=20
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  Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 7:11 PM
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  Tetworld Global Advisory Committee - =
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  Dear Mark:=20

  What's Joe Moore's website address for the Virtual Institute?=20

  Yasuhiko=20

  (snip)

    : Yasuhiko Kimura <genku@primenet.com>=20
    Reply-To: Tetglobal <tetglobal@listbot.com>=20
    Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:25:33 -0800=20
    To: Tetworld Global Advisory Committee <adcomm@listbot.com>=20
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Dear Mark & Joe:

Thank you.  Another great opportunity for web site-seeing.

Yasuhiko

Joe S Moore wrote:

> Tetworld Global Advisory Committee -
> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/advisory.htmlYasuhiko,  see below
>
> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Yasuhiko Kimura
>      To: Tetglobal
>      Cc: Tetworld Global Advisory Committee ; Tetworld
>      Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 7:11 PM
>      Subject: Re: Notes about postings--
>       Tetworld Global Advisory Committee -
>      http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/advisory.html
>
>      Dear Mark:
>
>      What's Joe Moore's website address for the Virtual
>      Institute?
>
>      Yasuhiko
>
>      (snip)
>
>     > : Yasuhiko Kimura <genku@primenet.com>
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>     > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:25:33 -0800
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<p><font face="Book Antiqua"><font color="#000099"><font size=-1>Thank
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<br>Joe S Moore: <a href="mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com">joemoore@cruzio.com</a>
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Kimura</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:tetglobal@listbot.com" title="tetglobal@listbot.com">Tetglobal</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:adcomm@listbot.com" title="adcomm@listbot.com">Tetworld
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 16, 1999
7:11 PM</div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Notes about postings--</div>
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<p><font face="Book Antiqua"><font color="#000099"><font size=-1>Dear Mark:</font></font></font>
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      18-DEC-1999  9:02
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 according to Jim Berkland (retired USGS),
 the fact that this upcoming full (or new?) moon occurs
 near both perihelion and lunar perigee, means that
 there are more likely to be quakes in the MM 3 to 6 scaling
 (of course, that may also make larger ones more common,
 in the ordinary course of things
 (there are "always" ten times as many 2s as 3s e.g.)
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That's open mindedness from a point of view if I ever
saw one.  You see you like to separate and that
is why kids are shooting each other because of your
type educational model.

My model includes and unites all people and all classes
and all events.  Name one event that does not use my
unitivity model of precessional radii and volume distribution
interaction and I will eat my hat. As Hawking states
it must be all pervasive and it must be able to predict
an experiment. The interaction of precession does all this
and nothing is without it.  All electron quanta and gravity
interaction is the same unified field of precessional radii
interaction. This is the real model for the unified field theory.
The radii changes length and the distance inwhich it sweeps
that causes area is the only changes that make all events.
E = AC2 Mass is area swept out by precession.
This works with any size event.
This is way better than string theory.
You live in the static world of volume with your
models, I see them as frame freeze of axis volumes.
How many axis's you have is the main question
not the volume, it is second to axis. Nothing starts
without axis first and all axis are radii of another event.
As far as the film go's wasted footage for another era.
A film for the dark ages that you now protect,.
Unitivity is a matrix of thinking that allows all humans
and design to live in peace for it is a no mans land of
bias and hate. It is comprehensive and fresh.  It is what
you hate not your idea. http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html

let some of us average non princetonites live in peace.
Oh great god of Fuller light.  You think if someone has a better
idea that Fuller is a cult figure, or something.  These are my ideas
and as you say we all share and care for one another on the net,.
What if what I am saying happens to be true, then you are treating me
just like they did bucky when he was just starting.  Thanks for your
observations, happy holidays even though they are obsolete foot prints
of
celebrations of living past Caesar and the pope. Saint a claus is
neptune in my book.
Part of the naga study I did as I went around the world.
Stephen if your out there hello! Don't mind the maggots here.

Kirby Urner wrote:

> >I hope the bomb doesn't drop on midnight 2000.
> >This film did not help stop it that is for sure!
> >It's a drunken cocktail party of editing.
> >
>
> Fine.  We have different opinions.  I agree that
> Bucky gave it his best shot, but declined being
> labeled an optimist.  If it all goes to hell in
> some way, I'm not going to blame it on this film,
> as there are already enough people with leverage
> to make a difference.  We don't need a lot of
> big budget propaganda films to spread some gospel
> according to Bucky.
>
> It's a free country and film makers can make
> the films they want.  I'm not interested in fostering
> some regime that insist people toe the party line.
> If we don't like the film, better to make a better
> one than whine and complain.
>
> Personally, I don't think you help advance design
> science very much given the stuff you post -- you're
> not at all like Bucky.
>
> I'd have people (including young students) watch that
> film as a way to gain some exposure to a great guy's
> thinking, over having them read your unitivity stuff,
> any day of the week.
>
> Kirby
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As you may see that brie is on to the precessionary relationship of mass
attraction and the radii changing that causes the unified field theory to
pop out of unitivity, mind Quake that shakes kirby to his tetra vertexes.
All the area swept out that makes larger motions and smaller motions
are constant in one regard they are the speed of light in radii packed
or unpacked. The shorter the radii the more of them the longer
the less of them relative to us. The longest are light period the short are

92 elements mean low radii volumes..
Precession rools...  F=M.V   Mass = area radii with in a radii.  Velocity
is
distance of radii in other radii.  Energy is the larger radii that is
within
the area of radii that is being considered.
Time is radii period.  All is relative radii to other radii. Get it!
!-) Area is radii resultant.  360 degrees = one radii.
four radii = 720 degrees and would be systemic to each other
but within one radii for all four events.
It takes 4 precessional events to make a tetrahedron.
The tetrahedron will always have one radii that it is a volume
at the end of. When the tetrahedron spins with its 14 axis it may
have different amounts or area that is swept out.
This makes the elements and forces that we see out side of us.
color, hardness, air, fire, liquid, solids and gases.  This is all
dependent on the area spun out by radii of volumes that are all
other radii volumes and so on to the universal volume that is
the unitivity volume.  This will now bring analtivity from other
humans to precess with. Happy Holidays.


Brian Hutchings wrote:

> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      18-DEC-1999  9:02
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  according to Jim Berkland (retired USGS),
>  the fact that this upcoming full (or new?) moon occurs
>  near both perihelion and lunar perigee, means that
>  there are more likely to be quakes in the MM 3 to 6 scaling
>  (of course, that may also make larger ones more common,
>  in the ordinary course of things
>  (there are "always" ten times as many 2s as 3s e.g.)
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At 08:24 PM 12/11/99 +0000, you wrote:
>Refrigeration is another form of unitivity.
>
>There is only loss of heat in the universe and this is a matter
>of angular area sweep out being divided in time by radius
>length. Time is a radii sweep out anyway so unitivity is
>a subdivision of radii sweep outs relative to all other area

Your emphasis on area is too flat for my taste.  Planets have
their spiralling trajectories, which in cross-section define
a vaguely eccentric circle, i.e. an ellipse, but many times
when we talk radius and "omni sweepout" we're looking at a
*volume* -- not an area.  Fuller's picture of photons
broadcasting as spiralling tetrahedra from a common focus,
with the sphere being the wavefront, is much more the model
in electrodynamics, where div and curl get calculated with
respect to a volume-enclosing surface, not an area-defining
perimeter (except in special case).

>sweep outs. The unitivity radii is the main one and only one that
>all other are sweeping from. so there.
>Heat is high area sweep out in a small radii, cold is to lengthen the
>radii and reduce the speed. This is solid, liquid,  and gases. All the same
>
>radii just different speeds. All the same energy just different radii.

Fuller's intuitions seem more plausible to me.  He relates the
phases to degrees of freedom, not to say that chemical links are
literally point, hinge and face (as illustrated by two tetrahedra
joined tip-to-tip, along an edge, or face-bonded: gas, liquid,
solid), but that we might find some mathematical/topological
"average freedom" among the particles signified by these simple
states.  In liquids, vertices slip by one another, flow, but aren't
in "universal joint" conformation so much as in gases.  And in the
solid regime, the entities behave more in lockstep, marshalled,
turning as a unit.  Fuller talks about liquid as a home base
state, with the gaining or losing of a degree of freedom (in the
direction of gaseous or solid) being relatively "eccentric"
vis-a-vis a going with the flow hinge bonded experience.  Between
the lines, I read in whatever alchemical meanings, related to
human psychology, thinking about how we crave "rigid" logic at
times, but that the pendulum often swings, in reaction, into a
more gaseous phase, rebellious and romantic vis-a-vis the so-called
analytical or "mechanistic" or "reductionist" belief systems,
which (along with other forms of dogma) do more to answer our
need for "solids" in our metaphysical cogitations.

As to the unitivity link to radii, I don't know if this makes much
sense.  Water reaches its densest point while still in liquid phase,
at 4 below, with the ice phase being relatively vacuous (which is
why ice displaces liquid with tips to spare, in the form of ice
bergs, i.e. ice floats). So it's not accurate to say that liquids
always come with greater radii.  And I would think a solid being
subjected to extremes of some type might develop more kinetic
energy per molecule than a liquid cooled into placid calmness.
Certainly we have no simple correlation between phases and
temperature, given some solids are way hotter than some gases
and so forth.  The chemical components have their own repective
boiling and melting points -- part of what the Phase Rule is all
about (the fact of multiple components is a part of the equation).

>Energy is the area not the radii or speed. This is unitivity stuff.
>Conservation of entropy.

Again, if you're into modeling kinetics, you'd do well to get away
from area and start talking about volume.  Fuller's picture of an
ideal gas combines Avogadro's Number (same number of gas atoms
at same temperature/pressure) with the isotropic vector matrix, as
an idealization of the "average location" of entities in a uniform
dispersion.  Of course the atoms are bouncing around all over the
place, but if you want to signify a uniform density, the IVM is
a way to go (vs. some simple cubic array -- more often what we
find in text books).  And the IVM allows each atom its volumetric
domain (a rhombic dodecahedron).  The idea of "areal sweepout" in
a gaseous regime is highly contrived.

>Think about it and happy holidays, they are having a boat parade here
>in San Pedro, lots of lights and people yelling.
>Lots of area sweeping over here.

You flat surface bias perhaps stems from your moored-on-a-boat
mentality.  You've forgotten the world is a sphere and think in
very planar, flatland abstractions.  In this way, you suffer from
the same disease as many students, exposes endlessly to "planar
geometry" and hardly ever liberated to think clearly and rationally
about volumetric relationships -- what synergetics works to make
accessible and obvious, compared to the turgid presentations of
the outgoing millenium.

>Latter, Sea Ya!
>Think I will have another galss of wine.
>:-)

I'm in the Kingdom of Lesotho these days, enjoying the many South
African wines grown along the southern coast, in relative proximity
to Cape Town, from whence we journeyed a couple of weeks ago.

Kirby
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At 07:51 PM 12/18/99 +0000, you wrote:
>That's open mindedness from a point of view if I ever
>saw one.  You see you like to separate and that
>is why kids are shooting each other because of your
>type educational model.

And you like to unify everything such that any allegation
you care to make (or any "scientific" argument) somehow
carries weight -- because all is one big mudpie in the
mind of one MSM.  All's fair when Bucky and his family
is on your side, right?

>My model includes and unites all people and all classes
>and all events.  Name one event that does not use my
>unitivity model of precessional radii and volume distribution
>interaction and I will eat my hat. As Hawking states

A moth fluttering around a light bulb does not trace out
equal areas in equal times -- not even if we factor in the
areal sweepout of its entrails or what it had for breakfast.
Nor is it's motion confined to any planar orbit, all talk of
axes notwithstanding.  Thinking of everything in terms of flat
orbits is mind-numbing, relative to the true complexity of
cyclic phenomena (which do have a repeating quality, I
agree -- similar to this highly repititious thread, which
I realize is "boring" in more senses than one).

More below.

>E = AC2 Mass is area swept out by precession.

In synergetics, it was the expanding spherical surface of
an energy event which Fuller associated with 2nd powering
-- the fact that radiation is "omnidirectional" and reaches
a c x c rate of areal expansion when traveling through a
non-hindering mediums -- not like a ripple in a pond (that's
just an analogy, but you seem to have forgotten that point).
Gravity, in contrast, is supposed to exert leverage at 90
degrees to the explosive force, countering not directly,
but indirectly -- by being the "shape of spacetime" or
something (more subtle?).  Gravity coheres in the way the
generalized principles cohere -- connecting around in all
circumferential directions in the sense that special cases
eventually delineate the principles at work, after which
everything is redundant, a reiteration, from the point of
view of eternal verities.

I'm not completely clear on all this -- only that "gravity"
seems to wander away from its Newtonian moorings in 'Synergetics',
sounding more like the inverse square law as we approach the
neighborhood, but taking on other colorations was we move into
alternative spheres.

Perhaps Fuller was trying to avoid Newton's fate, in that
history has put the Sir Isaac's alchemical ramblings to sleep,
left them in some unmarked grave to be forgotten, whereas
Bucky strove to weave his memes more inextricably, using this
criterion of "apparently exceptionless" to screen for content
(requires readings to ring true on several levels at once).
For this reason, I count his as a work in the humanities,
with "science" falling out only if we choose to read it in
that light, but otherwise reflecting if we wish to apply some
alternative hermeneutics.

>This works with any size event.
>This is way better than string theory.
>You live in the static world of volume with your
>models, I see them as frame freeze of axis volumes.
>How many axis's you have is the main question
>not the volume, it is second to axis. Nothing starts
>without axis first and all axis are radii of another event.
>As far as the film go's wasted footage for another era.
>A film for the dark ages that you now protect,.

I'm doing quite a bit to "unprotect" those using the national
security blanket to hide their nefarious dealings (the USA
and Bucky formed some close ties over the years, in ways the
Russians understood and appreciated) -- though not on GEODESIC,
I admit, where I'm mostly around to discuss some synergetics
and design science topics already in the literature.  Nothing
particularly groundbreaking.

>Unitivity is a matrix of thinking that allows all humans
>and design to live in peace for it is a no mans land of
>bias and hate. It is comprehensive and fresh.  It is what
>you hate not your idea. http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html

Right, not my idea.  Unitivity is yours and yours alone.
I wouldn't touch it with a proverbial ten foot pole.  And
if you're serious about it, you owe your readers something
more than these rambling posts to this listserv.  Bucky worked
hard to give form to his thinking, and once you get the hang
of his lingo, he turns out to be surprisingly lucid, actually
quite economical in his modes of expression -- in contrast to
the sterotype, which sees Bucky somewhat woolly minded, given
to padding with unnecessary phonemes.  A lot of that "padding"
is actually consequent to packing a lot in -- but if you're
filtering for a particular *kind* of sense, then of course
much of the "genetic code" comes across as useless blather
-- relates to his preference for being not understood rather
than misunderstood.  Better to have people back off, knowing
they don't know, than jumping in under the illusion that they
have this inside story.

>let some of us average non princetonites live in peace.

You're the elitist between the two of us, claiming special
authority and privileges to preach the gospel according to
Fuller, because you play politics and suck up to all the
people you think it might be strategic to suck up to.  When
you find I'm not playing that game, and don't mind calling
it the way I see it, that frustrates your little ego's plans.
Gee, that's too bad.  I'm sure you'll get over it eventually.

>Oh great god of Fuller light.  You think if someone has a better
>idea that Fuller is a cult figure, or something.  These are my ideas

Fuller worked with integrity to discourage cultish behavior around
him during his lifetime.  It's not Fuller who I'd blame if people
decide to "get religious" about the guy now that he's gone.

>and as you say we all share and care for one another on the net,.
>What if what I am saying happens to be true, then you are treating me
>just like they did bucky when he was just starting.  Thanks for your

Fuller won the quiet respect of many even fairly early in his
career.  Public image is one thing, the attitude of collaborators
and peers another.  Fuller was fortunate to be surrounded by a lot
of bright individuals, many of whom were likewise strong-willed
(how Fuller came across) and therefore better able to synergize
with the guy than would any "devotees" if the usual sickly sort.

I consider some of Fuller's detractors to be far greater contributors
to our collective well-being than some of his most appreciative
"disciples".  One Ken Snelson is worth a thousand acolytes of the
kind you typify.

>observations, happy holidays even though they are obsolete foot prints
>of
>celebrations of living past Caesar and the pope. Saint a claus is
>neptune in my book.
>Part of the naga study I did as I went around the world.
>Stephen if your out there hello! Don't mind the maggots here.
>

>From the mouth of one who "loves everyone", comes this "maggots"
epithet.  Such hypocrisy, such lack of wisdom in one so old is
unbecoming.  Fuller did what he could with this basket case,
found the same core of integrity here he found in humanity as
a whole.  We Friends call it the inner light and the more
skilled among us can find and relate to it in all encounters.
Bucky had evolved to this level.  I make no such claims in the
case of myself.

Where I'm at is I'm simply not interested in chattering with
this guy any longer. Given others complain repeatedly that I
take up some disk space to counter this school, a seemingly
endless source of allegations and innuendo, I see no reason
to belabor the issues any further (yes, I've said this before,
I know -- have taken long vacations from this list more than
once).

Anyway, these days I'm really not getting my money's worth,
given these are metered calls (even when local) in this neck
of the woods (Maseru, Lesotho, Africa).

I'll send an UNSUBSCRIBE after this, and leave MSM to his
would-be devotees (I haven't seen that he's attracted many
recruits, but maybe I'm just not paying close attention).

If any of you want to interact with me in happier climates,
please find me on some other list.  I'm as bored with all
this as you are.  Maybe I'll check back in a month or two.
In the mean time, I'll be pressing the design science agenda
on other fronts, actively and with tenacity (part of my reason
for being in Southern Africa these days).

Ciao for now.

Kirby
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Flat is also a part of a great circle that makes all radii.
Spiral is relative as dropping a wrench on your foot on a flat
bed train car, the man in the car sees it going by in an arch.
the man that drops it sees it going straight down as it were.
I see the wrench and the car and both men and the train going
the speed of light in precessional orbits that are of 92 isometric
area sweep outs with in an 8 thousand mile diameter
spinning glob of precessional light system that are called earth
and within a radii from the sun that sweeps out an isotropic area
of radii as well as all other planets and they have a radii that the sun sweeps
out
and that radii in my theory will sweep out the same area as all the planets and
the nano areas of all the elements and all the radii of all the Hydrogen and
Helium
nano sweeps of the sun angstroms etc.  This is my way of seeing it all.
It is all electric to gravity a magnetic attraction based on area sweeping of
what ever volume you wish to chose for your experiment.
The longest radii is light solo to us and it will curve around other
globs of radii as it bends around the moon etc.
The idea that this makes you think flat is not out of your realm
of wonder I suppose.  I see this as making volumes of kinetic
potential that would be forms of volumes non as ball shaped.
Mass and velocity are interchangeable and therefor the volume is
formed by potential and real elements of radii tracing at speeds that seem
ball like to us.  We use the circle of the earth around the sun to make our age
our calendar on a volume of light called earth that is made of billions and
billions
of precessional, what we call elements from the core out, we are made of the
same light volumation, and we think therefor we sweep out in ourselves billions
of miles of area with out elements as we look at this screen and ponder our
small time on this ice aged deep area sweep out universe.  IT can all be
explained with unitivity.  I see it, I hope other have a better idea. but
for now this is mine. Happy Holidays Kirby I have had a lot of fun
thinking around with you, thank you
I have a new C1 sony computer with a notion camera.  This thing is
so small it is like picking buggers out of your nose.
:-))

Kirby Urner wrote:

> At 08:24 PM 12/11/99 +0000, you wrote:
> >Refrigeration is another form of unitivity.
> >
> >There is only loss of heat in the universe and this is a matter
> >of angular area sweep out being divided in time by radius
> >length. Time is a radii sweep out anyway so unitivity is
> >a subdivision of radii sweep outs relative to all other area
>
> Your emphasis on area is too flat for my taste.  Planets have
> their spiralling trajectories, which in cross-section define
> a vaguely eccentric circle, i.e. an ellipse, but many times
> when we talk radius and "omni sweepout" we're looking at a
> *volume* -- not an area.  Fuller's picture of photons
> broadcasting as spiralling tetrahedra from a common focus,
> with the sphere being the wavefront, is much more the model
> in electrodynamics, where div and curl get calculated with
> respect to a volume-enclosing surface, not an area-defining
> perimeter (except in special case).
>
> >sweep outs. The unitivity radii is the main one and only one that
> >all other are sweeping from. so there.
> >Heat is high area sweep out in a small radii, cold is to lengthen the
> >radii and reduce the speed. This is solid, liquid,  and gases. All the same
> >
> >radii just different speeds. All the same energy just different radii.
>
> Fuller's intuitions seem more plausible to me.  He relates the
> phases to degrees of freedom, not to say that chemical links are
> literally point, hinge and face (as illustrated by two tetrahedra
> joined tip-to-tip, along an edge, or face-bonded: gas, liquid,
> solid), but that we might find some mathematical/topological
> "average freedom" among the particles signified by these simple
> states.  In liquids, vertices slip by one another, flow, but aren't
> in "universal joint" conformation so much as in gases.  And in the
> solid regime, the entities behave more in lockstep, marshalled,
> turning as a unit.  Fuller talks about liquid as a home base
> state, with the gaining or losing of a degree of freedom (in the
> direction of gaseous or solid) being relatively "eccentric"
> vis-a-vis a going with the flow hinge bonded experience.  Between
> the lines, I read in whatever alchemical meanings, related to
> human psychology, thinking about how we crave "rigid" logic at
> times, but that the pendulum often swings, in reaction, into a
> more gaseous phase, rebellious and romantic vis-a-vis the so-called
> analytical or "mechanistic" or "reductionist" belief systems,
> which (along with other forms of dogma) do more to answer our
> need for "solids" in our metaphysical cogitations.
>
> As to the unitivity link to radii, I don't know if this makes much
> sense.  Water reaches its densest point while still in liquid phase,
> at 4 below, with the ice phase being relatively vacuous (which is
> why ice displaces liquid with tips to spare, in the form of ice
> bergs, i.e. ice floats). So it's not accurate to say that liquids
> always come with greater radii.  And I would think a solid being
> subjected to extremes of some type might develop more kinetic
> energy per molecule than a liquid cooled into placid calmness.
> Certainly we have no simple correlation between phases and
> temperature, given some solids are way hotter than some gases
> and so forth.  The chemical components have their own repective
> boiling and melting points -- part of what the Phase Rule is all
> about (the fact of multiple components is a part of the equation).
>
> >Energy is the area not the radii or speed. This is unitivity stuff.
> >Conservation of entropy.
>
> Again, if you're into modeling kinetics, you'd do well to get away
> from area and start talking about volume.  Fuller's picture of an
> ideal gas combines Avogadro's Number (same number of gas atoms
> at same temperature/pressure) with the isotropic vector matrix, as
> an idealization of the "average location" of entities in a uniform
> dispersion.  Of course the atoms are bouncing around all over the
> place, but if you want to signify a uniform density, the IVM is
> a way to go (vs. some simple cubic array -- more often what we
> find in text books).  And the IVM allows each atom its volumetric
> domain (a rhombic dodecahedron).  The idea of "areal sweepout" in
> a gaseous regime is highly contrived.
>
> >Think about it and happy holidays, they are having a boat parade here
> >in San Pedro, lots of lights and people yelling.
> >Lots of area sweeping over here.
>
> You flat surface bias perhaps stems from your moored-on-a-boat
> mentality.  You've forgotten the world is a sphere and think in
> very planar, flatland abstractions.  In this way, you suffer from
> the same disease as many students, exposes endlessly to "planar
> geometry" and hardly ever liberated to think clearly and rationally
> about volumetric relationships -- what synergetics works to make
> accessible and obvious, compared to the turgid presentations of
> the outgoing millenium.
>
> >Latter, Sea Ya!
> >Think I will have another galss of wine.
> >:-)
>
> I'm in the Kingdom of Lesotho these days, enjoying the many South
> African wines grown along the southern coast, in relative proximity
> to Cape Town, from whence we journeyed a couple of weeks ago.
>
> Kirby
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Kirby Urner wrote:

> At 07:51 PM 12/18/99 +0000, you wrote:
> >That's open mindedness from a point of view if I ever
> >saw one.  You see you like to separate and that
> >is why kids are shooting each other because of your
> >type educational model.
>
> And you like to unify everything such that any allegation
> you care to make (or any "scientific" argument) somehow
> carries weight -- because all is one big mudpie in the
> mind of one MSM.  All's fair when Bucky and his family
> is on your side, right?
>

Yes i so like to unify because that is the way the universe has us anyway!
We must all love and manage together or we all perish.
Bucky's family has not said one word about me to anyone and
we have only past experiences together to take the integrity where it is
today. I am not the bucky poster child like you are, but I do feel the the
most important part of bucky's archive is the family and it is growing.
I feel that they are a great resource and that they have a hard time having
to defend themselves from others because of the integrity they have to be
kind and comprehensive yet hold the rudder where the wind is.
Many people have different ideas where to go, I think they have made
great strides in the mist of heavy rude situations of new comers along the
way like you and others that take and do not give with their associations
with them.  Most people are on the take or give a little and take a lot.
I have paid my own way the whole time for the many years with bucky and
donated hundreds of hours of audio tapes that are now in Stanford U.
I have ask for nothing in return.  I paid my own travel expenses and
bucky was very happy to get the archive. We had a great time!
What friendship I have with the family is because bucky was friends
with me first.  I love Bob Snyder's films and his book an autobiographical
monologue scenario Buckminster Fuller.  Bucky was very busy and that was
all he was if you were busy then he respected you for that.  Design is
just that busy doing designs.  I made an audio archive without me those
many years before Jaime did it would have been lost. Most people could
not travel all over the world and do it. I did with no pay, the archive will
show
up some day and people will see how this is the only spontaneous archive that

is left from the point of view of his average everyday life across the nation
and
the world, which I went around the world in formation with him once.
Because of the india war in 1972 we were diverted to England where I made a
few tapes
before coming back around to the usa.  I was in dozens of states and colleges
and many
more than twice in the states.  I still am finding some tapes that I did not
know I had
in my storage.  I will donate those to the bfi as well.  Your politics of the
bfi was not
what I call a platform for your stature that you seem to take.  I like you
anyway
for after you make enough mistake you will learn and then I think you may
become
the Fuller prince you always wanted to be.  Until then I like at least
someone
that has opinions as you do to bounce off of.  People like Applewhite and
Jay Baldwin do not have the guts to deal with us average people out here.
At least you will show your face.
The Fuller Family is not on my side or anyone's side
they are an integrity of their own and they have no allegiance to anyone.
This makes me very proud if they even talk to me for I know the pain and
grace that bucky came from.  They are the product of a suicidal drunk
that rehabilitated him self to the point that he is the replicator model of
brain power for the next century.

> >My model includes and unites all people and all classes
> >and all events.  Name one event that does not use my
> >unitivity model of precessional radii and volume distribution
> >interaction and I will eat my hat. As Hawking states
>
> A moth fluttering around a light bulb does not trace out
> equal areas in equal times -- not even if we factor in the
> areal sweepout of its entrails or what it had for breakfast.
> Nor is it's motion confined to any planar orbit, all talk of
> axes notwithstanding.  Thinking of everything in terms of flat
> orbits is mind-numbing, relative to the true complexity of
> cyclic phenomena (which do have a repeating quality, I
> agree -- similar to this highly repititious thread, which
> I realize is "boring" in more senses than one).
>
> Yes it does in the elements that makes its wings and body.

Just as the planet sweeps out equal area around the sun the quarks and
elections have isometric area orbits in time as does the flame it flies to
death to.
precession is the ruling factor in all events and you cannot build a dome on
the
sun only where gravity has radii of certain areas in the universe.

hyper radii acceleration and para radii acceleration are radii events that
are the
same as syntropic and entropic.  More or less than 90 degrees can explain all
events
in precession.  IT is all relative to the origin of radii that one makes as
the primitive
experiment to form data from in the universe. Deep time is only deep
precession.
Time is cycles of precession. The atomic clock or the solar clock or the
galactic clock
all the same.  Unitific actions of the whole.

>
>
> >E = AC2 Mass is area swept out by precession.
>
> In synergetics, it was the expanding spherical surface of
> an energy event which Fuller associated with 2nd powering
>

The volume is 35 billion cubic miles of volume in one second.


> -- the fact that radiation is "omnidirectional" and reaches
> a c x c rate of areal expansion when traveling through a
> non-hindering mediums -- not like a ripple in a pond (that's
> just an analogy, but you seem to have forgotten that point).
> Gravity, in contrast, is supposed to exert leverage at 90
> degrees to the explosive force, countering not directly,
> but indirectly -- by being the "shape of spacetime" or
> something (more subtle?).

This is precisely the fact of what I call conservation of entropy or
at 90 degrees average precession or isotropy that makes systems
appear at all.  Without this nothing would stay the same long enough to
be known to exists.  Space time is distance and speed caused by
precessional ring theory of cycles per year, second, angstroms, ice ages
your life time, generations etc. happy new year.


Gravity coheres in the way the generalized principles cohere -- connecting
around in all

> circumferential directions in the sense that special cases
> eventually delineate the principles at work, after which
> everything is redundant, a reiteration, from the point of
> view of eternal verities.

What you are trying to say is the frequency one is the universe
and I say this one has only one radii and total area that adds
to all that is within it as know universe. This is unitivity thinking.
The mathematics of the cosmic principle of oneness is that all
parts are a result of division and that multiplication is a result
of division of the one only.  The one can be experienced when
a principle of science is found and this means the parts show
a prediction for the future. Replicator awareness.
Frequency is two or more at minimum as is relativity.
Radii are relative and at minimum two.  We are one radii
and the universe is the other. We are part of this fat radii that is
a sphere of other radii mosaic around us called energy.  The mean
center of gravity of each system, defines it's relativity and what
it needs in symbiotic response to its gestation rate of being.
The system that we are or anything else will loose radii to other radii
and what relatively we would call death occurs. relative to the unitivity
radii this is all meaningless and we all live in motion of radii as we all
do anyway.  This is why being honest and truthful will not make you
loose anything and giving.  You die anyway but you have designed
an event the has altered the integrity of the small radii to harmonize
with the one radii of the whole.. when you are selfish you hold
back humanities future for comfort on earth by design, like war etc.
the Unitific method is to associate with love and design comfort for the
future by doing away with failure and making management systems for
all humans to understand and live comfortable on earth while we are here
on a radii of molten rock called earth with a watery crust and ice
and photo radiation of radii angular modulatory vegetables etc.



I'm not completely clear on all this -- only that "gravity"

> seems to wander away from its Newtonian moorings in 'Synergetics',
> sounding more like the inverse square law as we approach the
> neighborhood, but taking on other colorations as we move into
> alternative spheres.

Newtonian Kepler are real non corporate thinkers as was Fuller.

When you care what others think it is like Heisenberg it alters your
intuition.

>
> Perhaps Fuller was trying to avoid Newton's fate, in that
> history has put the Sir Isaac's alchemical ramblings to sleep,
> left them in some unmarked grave to be forgotten, whereas
> Bucky strove to weave his memes more inextricably, using this
> criterion of "apparently exceptionless" to screen for content
> (requires readings to ring true on several levels at once).
> For this reason, I count his as a work in the humanities,
> with "science" falling out only if we choose to read it in
> that light, but otherwise reflecting if we wish to apply some
> alternative hermeneutics.

Just getting to where the earth is round as well without getting killed
was the big one.  Just as Hawking is paid to say nothing and stay in his
social place for selfish agreement with others.  String theory is a
breakthrough
because it shows how delicate all this soap opera ghost thinking is.
Hawking is great in this respect he is a referee to say does it work
to show the future.



>
> >This works with any size event.
> >This is way better than string theory.
> >You live in the static world of volume with your
> >models, I see them as frame freeze of axis volumes.
> >How many axis's you have is the main question
> >not the volume, it is second to axis. Nothing starts
> >without axis first and all axis are radii of another event.
> >As far as the film go's wasted footage for another era.
> >A film for the dark ages that you now protect,.
>
> I'm doing quite a bit to "unprotect" those using the national
> security blanket to hide their nefarious dealings (the USA
> and Bucky formed some close ties over the years, in ways the
> Russians understood and appreciated) -- though not on GEODESIC,
> I admit, where I'm mostly around to discuss some synergetics
> and design science topics already in the literature.  Nothing
> particularly groundbreaking.
>
> >Unitivity is a matrix of thinking that allows all humans
> >and design to live in peace for it is a no mans land of
> >bias and hate. It is comprehensive and fresh.  It is what
> >you hate not your idea. http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html
>
> Right, not my idea.  Unitivity is yours and yours alone.
> I wouldn't touch it with a proverbial ten foot pole.  And
> if you're serious about it, you owe your readers something
> more than these rambling posts to this listserv.

I worked hard with bucky as well traveling with him.
IT is not easy to fix a flat in 10 minutes to make the
plane sometimes or you miss the lecture taping.
It was not easy to follow him all over the world
and make these tapes good.  I did it and some day
others will thank me for all that resource that was hidden.
This work is a lot like Vincent Van Gogh, the pictures
will be appreciated when people want to see him for real.

> Bucky worked
> hard to give form to his thinking, and once you get the hang
> of his lingo, he turns out to be surprisingly lucid, actually
> quite economical in his modes of expression -- in contrast to
> the sterotype, which sees Bucky somewhat woolly minded, given
> to padding with unnecessary phonemes.  A lot of that "padding"
> is actually consequent to packing a lot in -- but if you're
> filtering for a particular *kind* of sense, then of course
> much of the "genetic code" comes across as useless blather
> -- relates to his preference for being not understood rather
> than misunderstood.  Better to have people back off, knowing
> they don't know, than jumping in under the illusion that they
> have this inside story.

People have no idea of the value of comprehensive thinking
of putting together events as a whole. This is what intelligence is
this is what the schools are not. The alfred North Whitehead dilemma
of over specialization of the educational system as in education automation
book.  We see the world as a space ship when I was in college he was the
only one that looked at it that way, everyone does now and this is the value
of education and the result is from unification of events, unitivity is when
you stop beating around the bush and go for it.  Life is one big unit
the bigger the picture the better for all of us.
These things are a personal choice.

>
> >let some of us average non princetonites live in peace.
>
> You're the elitist between the two of us, claiming special
> authority and privileges to preach the gospel according to
> Fuller,

This is from him not me, Look at my letter I did not ask
him to say that, he did it and I have a bunch more like it
after that.

> because you play politics and suck up to all the
> people you think it might be strategic to suck up to.  When
> you find I'm not playing that game, and don't mind calling
> it the way I see it, that frustrates your little ego's plans.
> Gee, that's too bad.  I'm sure you'll get over it eventually.

This is slander that as Bucky would say if it is not true you have
nothing  to worry about. If you steal ideas or lie or cheat it is your
fault and then you pay the radii.
i do not suck up I suck down.
These are flat earth up and down ideas.
If people respect me it is because I am honest at least
other wise I would not respect them. IF you are talking
about the Fuller Family then I would say I am treated just as
another average human from them with what they have experienced
nothing more nothing less.  When I saw you slandering them I was mad
and now it is all over, you lost the argument and I win.
They put the archive in a much better hands than you and the others
that got so bent out of shape because they wanted to be the chosen ones
etc.  These things have happened many times in other office models over
the years, after hanging around the archive people start thinking they are
the ones that run it.  Bucky gave it to the family the family has done the
right thing, and in the end a better choice for waiting for the a better
gestation radii to ride.

>
> >Oh great god of Fuller light.  You think if someone has a better
> >idea that Fuller is a cult figure, or something.  These are my ideas
>
> Fuller worked with integrity to discourage cultish behavior around
> him during his lifetime.  It's not Fuller who I'd blame if people
> decide to "get religious" about the guy now that he's gone.
>

I agree and so do I.

>
> >and as you say we all share and care for one another on the net,.
> >What if what I am saying happens to be true, then you are treating me
> >just like they did bucky when he was just starting.  Thanks for your
>
> Fuller won the quiet respect of many even fairly early in his
> career.  Public image is one thing, the attitude of collaborators
> and peers another.  Fuller was fortunate to be surrounded by a lot
> of bright individuals, many of whom were likewise strong-willed
> (how Fuller came across) and therefore better able to synergize
> with the guy than would any "devotees" if the usual sickly sort.
>

Fuller was going so fast even those that worked close with him had no
idea what he was doing all the time.  Most people collected mail
and answered the phone as he was paying the bills with his lectures.
John Mc Hale was the best in my eyes, Applewhite was a great
file clerk and this was very much needed.  He was always hoarding
bucky for himself and would not like young people around as he
would insult them and laugh. A hard nosed gov.com.
a great file clerk though. He never shows out here where
it counts does he always sending you e mails to get rid of me
so he can sell christmas books and see his name in lights.
I have never seen someone that has so much fun insulting people
I think I was influenced by him to much some times.
At least he is honest.

> I consider some of Fuller's detractors to be far greater contributors
> to our collective well-being than some of his most appreciative
> "disciples".  One Ken Snelson is worth a thousand acolytes of the
> kind you typify.

Snelson smellson. He is not around here either.
He is to busy reading about himself and how he was
ripped off by fuller when he was back in black mountain.
Sure he was making tenserity models independent of fuller
sure he was.  He never saw a triangle before black mountain.
Who is he kidding. Bucky inspired a lot of people and they forget
they learned things and claim he was their student as Snelson does.
I like his mind and I think he should be honored for his models but
the malthusian flag flies high around him. I like his stuff don't get me
wrong, but it is easy after Bucky dies to say I told you so.
How much was prior to that.  Anyway who cares.
Like who cares who made a dome in Thailand 2 k years ago first
bucky made a world map, the world game, took us from Euclidean
schooling or shock therapy and brought us into the new century
with out being embarrassed for being monkeys.

> >observations, happy holidays even though they are obsolete foot prints
> >of
> >celebrations of living past Caesar and the pope. Saint a claus is
> >neptune in my book.
> >Part of the naga study I did as I went around the world.
> >Stephen if your out there hello! Don't mind the maggots here.
> >
>
> From the mouth of one who "loves everyone", comes this "maggots"
> epithet.  Such hypocrisy, such lack of wisdom in one so old is
> unbecoming.

I do not really like what Hawking is focusing on in his movies
it is so self religious.  The great people have less tenure
to show off in my mind. Like the guy that found the reason the
orbitor blew up or out.  That guy was a real bongo player.
I have higher hopes for hawking, maybe he will see unitivity.


old,  i'm only earth cycles old in in your mind, I use the orbit of Jupiter
for my age. I will be surfing Malibu beach on christmas
there is a swell coming in from the south.
I can surf orbits around you any day kid.
Age has nothing to do with truth and my girl
friend is better looking than any one out there.
she is to kill for.

> Fuller did what he could with this basket case,
> found the same core of integrity here he found in humanity as
> a whole.

Your the one that has been calling his family names not me.
That's uncool!

> We Friends call it the inner light and the more
> skilled among us can find and relate to it in all encounters.
> Bucky had evolved to this level.  I make no such claims in the
> case of myself.

The skilled and the ones that evolved to our ( your ) level like bucky huh!

> Your friends in the inner light sounds like jim jones.

I know that est look into my eyes stuff.

>
> Where I'm at is I'm simply not interested in chattering with
> this guy any longer.

Thanks great god for you taking the time off your little syn list
turf and toxic school house and visiting us over here from your
beverly hills site, huh! You better come back from africa and
tell us all about how special you are again.
I like talking to you about events but not all this self pity politics.
I hope you just talk with me about ideas and why and how
they relate to life not all this as usual me and you ego stuff.

Given others complain repeatedly that I

> take up some disk space to counter this school, a seemingly
> endless source of allegations and innuendo,

This is your format not mine since you have left the fuller family
alone. I have no beef with you and your site good luck for the new year!

> I see no reason
> to belabor the issues any further (yes, I've said this before,
> I know -- have taken long vacations from this list more than
> once).
>
> Anyway, these days I'm really not getting my money's worth,
> given these are metered calls (even when local) in this neck
> of the woods (Maseru, Lesotho, Africa).
>

The world man speaks. Great for you kid. Glad to see you
off and thinking! Maybe you will see that they need to unite with the rest
of the world and make the world work. Tech supply line is cut off over there
and we need new management of this planet. Africa needs to go in
as one of the states of the usa.

>
> I'll send an UNSUBSCRIBE after this, and leave MSM to his
> would-be devotees (I haven't seen that he's attracted many
> recruits, but maybe I'm just not paying close attention).

I have no devotees jim. Only humans in the universe that can take it or leave
it.


>
> If any of you want to interact with me in happier climates,
> please find me on some other list.

>  I'm as bored with all
> this as you are.

Owe you poor boy.

> Maybe I'll check back in a month or two.
> In the mean time, I'll be pressing the design science agenda
> on other fronts, actively and with tenacity (part of my reason
> for being in Southern Africa these days).
> Oh! aren't you prfect.

HOw spoiled have you been all your life prince.
spam your site kid.
Don't step in any cow dung while your over there.:-}

>
> Ciao for now.
>
> Kirby

Sea you stupid.
Lets try and talk synregetics and not your afraonics.
Next time. You sign on and off here as if it meant something.
You are only over here because you get tired of being king on your
own turf site that you have kicked me off of for being so comprehensive.
Go back  to your boring self now and kick someone else off. How many
have you kicked off now that dis- agree with your majesty now.
The last count it was two me and hutch right are has someone
else ruffled your feathers.
You can go back and spam sonny applewhites book now on the wed.
I am sorry I got in the way of your advertisement that you do for him.
You should name the site no new thinking out loud and make a film about it.
Call it bucky is not dead and we are bucky, follow us to the higher light.
SUch bull shit..Happy holidays --==============================>
:-)happynewyear>toot!
I tried to get through here with out bad words sorry.
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      20-DEC-1999  7:38
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 what an absurd statement;
 Newton worked for the ultimate corporate board,
 just as assuredly as Hawking is (whther the latter knows it,
 is a good question).  that is a clue to the origins
 of "Star Trek" as well, since they hagiographed those 2 guys
 in a movie-lenghth version.
    at least, Hawking is not known to be a cabbalistic basket-case,
 as Newton was; who was minding the mint, in deed?

 thus quoth:
  Newtonian Kepler are real non corporate thinkers as was Fuller.

 --The Duke of Oil!
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I'm signing off the synergetics and the geodesic listservs for now.  I
expect to participate again irregularly at some point later on.  While I
may be leaving this dialogue, my research and efforts in design science
and synergetics continue; less talk, more work.  I continue to be
available at the address listed here.  Many thanks to all, especially Joe
Moore, Ed Applewhite and Kirby Urner.

Doing more with less,

- Trevor Blake

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      20-DEC-1999 14:39
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 here is a query for the list, that I must send
 through someone other than the moderator,
 who seems to be  a bit to PC for this correspondent.  that is,
 please forward it to the list with your comment,
 or to mister Kegel if you must.


 I'd like to know what has been done out there,
 on the Y20C Centipede [*], in regard to trifling matters.
    first of all, as the actuaries will tell you,
 there are really not that many things --except in finance,
 to some degree, and some scientific endeavrs (can you name any?)--
 that involve a year-difference of more than 99, obviously
 because of average human lifespan.
    secondly, while most of these ideas of "compressing" the full date
 by as much as is possible have been covered to death, please,
 look at these 2 related ones:
 as with handheld electronic meters,
 a "half-digit" of a single "1" can be used for the 1900s,
 with no such digit leading a 3-digit year, assignated for the 2000s;
 similarly, we can just use the expedient of a "leading zero" or nine
 for a 3-digit date, with clearly demarcated ambiguity -- alas!

 while it is certainly too late for this to be of much use, if any,
 I feel that it's important to cover some of the lacunae
 that may have come from an insufficient knowledge of numbers,
 or numbertheory per se -- and that may have been promoted,
 by a conspicuos silence over the years,
 by (say) the Thomas Watson Centres of IBM (where,
 for instance, Mandelbrot was working on the "fractals"
 of the cotton market, but never bothered to ask any
 of the engineers about the floating-point standard (IEE-755 et seq.;
 actually an article in *Computer* magazine, '80 .-)
    there seems to be a lot of backpedalling by many
 of the government agencies, about how cool everything is, and
 the state of readiness for this artificial problem.  certainly,
 there will be every-other militia-man & his cousin,
 saying the most lurid things, or just repeating'em.  however,
 there is also much that is already doing, so to say, and
 wherein there is the possiblity of using Y20C as "cover."
    for instance, there is the pumping-up of the M3 money-supply
 by the Fed, at last report at an annualized rate of over 16%,
 which is beginning to be hyperinflationary, although
 the only reason given is to liquidity for Y20C.  in the meantime,
 they all just created a huge, past surplus by fiat,
 while the market has been ballooning at a grotesque rate,
 historically a bullmarket that began with the "tight money" nostrums
 of Nobel laureate Mundell, as dumped on the Reagan-Bush Admin., but
 already in place with Carter's Volcker --
 who actually campaigned (in England!) with the slogan,
 "controlled disintegration of the economy" (those of you
 who are into computerized "chaos theory" -- again,
 without knowing anyhting about the FP standard or implimentations,
 in all their garden varieties, as that relates
 to the "obvious" notion of "sensitive dependence
 upon intermediary conditions" [**] -- may get a thrill from this .-)

 ----
 * if one says "Y2K", one may get lumpt with the Millennialist
 Manic-depressives
 ** what a difference a word makes!

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net
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Dear Paul,

I know of only two references!  See

http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosHouseShowerScientific.htm

Also http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/AboutBFBooks-U-Z.htm

'Water Conservation & the Mist Experience' is for sale at
http://www.mcgill.ca/mchg/research/research.html

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> Hi
>    i have been trying to find some detailed designs for what Bucky called
> his fog gun
> as i plan on building one. I was wondering weather you would possibly have
a
> copy
> of them or would know were i could continue looking as so far dead end
city
> is
> were i keep ending up.Any help at all would be greatly appreciated .
>             Thank You and Take Care
>                                    Paul        :)
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Everybody,

According to a postcard I just received in the mail, the BFI has moved.
Their new contact info is:

Buckminster Fuller Institute
111 North Main St
Sebastopol, CA 95472

707-824-2242   voice
800-967-6277   sales

>From now on their catalog will only be available on their web site:
http://www.bfi.org/

Apparently their newsletter will only be available online also, but I'm not
sure.
Also, I'm assuming the Santa Barbara office is now closed.

The staff will apparently be Jaime, Lauren, Deborah & John.

Anyone willing to visit the new office & post a report?

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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Subject:      bog fun?

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      21-DEC-1999  3:50
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 how must I say it -- or spray it?
    the McGill fog-gun is as fungible as a pi-dollar bill!
    true, there are bicycle tyres with pressures up to,
 at least, 120 PSI; yeeha.  so,
 the plans may not be totally un-upgradeable!

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

 (read this book *before* Y20C, or suffer the consequence
 of blissful ignorance .-)
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The US National Science Foundation will study the feasibility of electronic
voting.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/348725.asp

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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Subject:      ELECTRONIC VOTING

MESSAGE from ="List 21-DEC-1999  4:23
 The US National Science Foundation will study the feasibility of electronic
 voting.
 http://www.msnbc.com/news/348725.asp

 Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
 Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
- - - - -

<<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      21-DEC-1999  4:28
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 let me also suggest the book, VoteScam
 (I understand the relative feasability of using encryption,
 compared to most of these proprietary machines that are extent, but
 I also tend to concur with the central positive argument
 of the freaky Collier bros., that the humanscale of voting
 must be retained .-)

 --Born in a Bank!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush1.htm

 (read, or eat **** and live !-)
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Look your post is interrupting my sucking up to what ever krupto
urner was talking about oh! yes I was sucking up to the fuLLER family
like they care about sucking up, look kirby Fuller lost a child just like
yours
the family fought their way up the the ladder of life and you use the words

sucking up like as if they are stupid or something. you have the nerve
to use these words on line about them. You are a Fuller pip squeak.
certified and if Applewhite is with you so it he.  The idea for the FULLER
dictionary was Ed Schlossberg not Applewhites any way. Ask Edd
and Big Johns daughter!  Buttocks.

Brian Hutchings wrote:

> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      21-DEC-1999  3:50
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  how must I say it -- or spray it?
>     the McGill fog-gun is as fungible as a pi-dollar bill!
>     true, there are bicycle tyres with pressures up to,
>  at least, 120 PSI; yeeha.  so,
>  the plans may not be totally un-upgradeable!
>
>  --The Duke of Oil!
>  http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
>
>  (read this book *before* Y20C, or suffer the consequence
>  of blissful ignorance .-)
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great news Joe your site grows and grows. I love it than you I hope the people
remember The Bill Of Rights amendment 1.

Joe S Moore wrote:

> The US National Science Foundation will study the feasibility of electronic
> voting.
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/348725.asp
>
> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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i MUST WARN THOSE THAT ARE NOT AWARE.
hERE IN sAN pEDRO CA. a TREE FELL ON A WIRE THAT
GIVES US ELECTRICITY AND AS THEY SAY HERE AT
THE FISHERMANS BREAKFAST PLACE IT IS Y TREE k THAT
WAS AT FAULT.
So watch out for Y - Tree - K.
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Subject:      less than 8 shopping-days -- THEN BACK TO SCHOOL

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      22-DEC-1999  6:51
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 >dear  mister Roseman;
 >   I've heard that there's a meeting in January.  assuming that
 >theri is actually electricty & so forth at the time,
 >I'll be there to glare at you throughout the proceeding,
 >til you do some thing for my case.  why have I recieved no response,
 >whatsoever, other than your copy of the letter to the Cmte.??
 >   Iam not expecting admission of putative guilt
 >from the shadowy ex-funders of the service, but
 >I certainly would like "generaous" terms for being put-out,
 >like this -- now.  now, there is too much to be done,
 >regarding "the centipede" of the fiasco of the year-date, as well
 >as simply having a campaign to run, against a constant tirade of lies,
 >or simply refusing to allow for the very existence of the candidate
 >(my fearless leader .-)
 >
 >why, for instance, is the mainstream allowed
 >to create a "frontrunner" from a certified clown like W?...  and
 >why do they refuse to report that Gore's own lawyer, Keeney, Jr.,
 >has actually argued in court for the nullification
 >of the
 >Voting Rights Act, based on the opinions or Rhenquist et al,
 >in a case that we brought against the former Chairman of the DNC,
 >for violating it?...  well, most folks are not even aware
 >of one of the biggest newspaper conglomerates, Hollinger, or
 >its ugly history and Board!
 >
 >--Beat the Bushes!
 >http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

 PS: please, at least, fill the bathtub with water and don't take a bath;
 that is the minimum but also the best preparation for what may come.
        Greenspan was quoted, over a year ago, about a fear
 of "cascading cross-grid defaults"; also, apparently,
 the FDIC deposits are not proved by one's own paperwork, but
 only by the bank's records!...  Gary North was actually asked
 a smart question by Art, about the "fiscal year" roll-overs,
 ?before the actual new year, and he hadn't heard of any problem.
        there are 2 aspects of this:
 firstly, there is actually almost no special relevance
 of "00" in modular arithmetic, except for "carrying" and that
 zero itself signifies "no quantity" -- anything
 with a year-difference of less than 100 is not supposed to be a problem;
 however, given the awesome ups & downs of the market, and
 its continuing hyperinflationary expansion, ever since
 Volcker and Mundell's tight-money/supply-side quackery,
 the losses of such corporate entities by such "fiscal" accounting errors,
 if any, may have been completely unnoticed -- or covered-up
 by the raiders in their asset-stripping voraciousness.  (notice that
 I gave no names, but how many *school* systems could have been seized
 for "cradle-to-grave capitalism" and so forth ?-)

 is Gary North related to Ollie, the Bushwhacker?
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Less than two days to get all those bombs for school kids.
Try bucky's educational system first though you might
find out how easy it is to make the world work without
the over specialization and paying all these idiots to
go to buildings that this little computer takes the place of
that I can put in my pocket and take pictures with.
every homeless person could have a few for all those
buildings and teacher setters that are out there
making money smoking in the bath rooms.
Let them off to go drink beer at home and watch
foot ball and let the kids learn something for a change.
All those 6 figure pro school teachers would have to
go to mc Donald's and get a job.
The dymaxion computer is the sony vaio c1 kids get
a few.
by the time you pay off the internet payments you could buy
a few and the net will be free in 6 months.
y2k I hear the sleigh bells high jacked in the sky.
Why do people have to hold on to the past so hard?
It is killing us all.
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Sir Norman Foster
Foster & Partners
London, England

Dear Sir,

Several sources have indicated that you "cooperated with Buckminster Fuller
on a number of projects between 1968-83".  Could you please provide a list
of those projects?  Your website indicates only one project in 1982, an
"Autonomous Dwelling".

Thank you,

Joe S Moore
mailto:joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
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Joe thank you for having the bfi site on your post I just donated for this
year.
Kirby why are you not on the list if your so pure and perfect?

Joe S Moore wrote:

> Everybody,
>
> According to a postcard I just received in the mail, the BFI has moved.
> Their new contact info is:
>
> Buckminster Fuller Institute
> 111 North Main St
> Sebastopol, CA 95472
>
> 707-824-2242   voice
> 800-967-6277   sales
>
> >From now on their catalog will only be available on their web site:
> http://www.bfi.org/
>
> Apparently their newsletter will only be available online also, but I'm not
> sure.
> Also, I'm assuming the Santa Barbara office is now closed.
>
> The staff will apparently be Jaime, Lauren, Deborah & John.
>
> Anyone willing to visit the new office & post a report?
>
> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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I don't see Geni on the list as well.  IF you use the map from them
why not pay them for it with all that money you made pete?

I don't see jay or Ed's name there as well?

You guys make a living off the archive why not give a little back?

You to Joe. and Mr. Tet world. out there.

All you fuller leeches come on donate.

Joe S Moore wrote:

> Everybody,
>
> According to a postcard I just received in the mail, the BFI has moved.
> Their new contact info is:
>
> Buckminster Fuller Institute
> 111 North Main St
> Sebastopol, CA 95472
>
> 707-824-2242   voice
> 800-967-6277   sales
>
> >From now on their catalog will only be available on their web site:
> http://www.bfi.org/
>
> Apparently their newsletter will only be available online also, but I'm not
> sure.
> Also, I'm assuming the Santa Barbara office is now closed.
>
> The staff will apparently be Jaime, Lauren, Deborah & John.
>
> Anyone willing to visit the new office & post a report?
>
> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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Date:         Fri, 24 Dec 1999 22:33:36 -0800
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Date:         Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:47:59 -0800
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From:         Michael Mitchell <syntrivity@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject:      Re: less than 8 shopping-days -- THEN BACK TO SCHOOL
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This is not hate mail I am referring to education automation and the
fact that all students could travel while at school around the world
while keeping in touch with studies via the sony c1.
Your Johnny cochran editing techniques to display a hate
mail campaign against me is your right.
I do not think your idea of my mad magazine
attitude towards your opinion is worth all your trouble to have a
personal vendetta towards me as you did the bfi.
Why you think the bfi should be so against me while you have slammed
them more than anyone on earth goes past the fact
that you always take a negative attitude of something that was meant
to be a joke, but when you do it you act like some kind of bucky god.
By the way there was a hijacking this week after Imentioned it,
and bombs have been in schools on the
front page of time magazine so I am not just making this up you may see.
I am not a hater I am a lover.  This RE: above was from Brian Hutching
and you will act like I started this post as usual.
I am donating to the bfi and world game are you?
by the way.
Happy Holidays any way!
I am sure you will type over my statements a little
and change them as you have in the past.
It makes it look as if I implied something else.
I say a lot of stupid things I admit but I am having fun on the web and
what I say is backed by principles.  I love the fuller family
what ever they think about me so say all you want stupid.
I let people know what I think, and you have been a
real brat to the bfi and so has all the board members.
They can see that the family has better Karma than they all
thought now.  Gestation rates are longer than ego rates.
So let us all get behind the bfi and push so that we can
see a future for your children as well as the rest of the
worlds.  I pull no punches I do not like this school system
and the mayor of LA has called it here the worst in america.
He will fund some of his friends to make something worse but
that is the way it goes for now. Until Fuller maps are in
every school on earth we are all in trouble.
Just because I know more synergetic math than you
means you can't take it huh!
Sea Ya!
Mickey :)

Kirby Urner wrote:

> I forwarded this to many of my teacher friends as an example
> of the kind of hate speech that does not in any way represent
> my own views or feelings, as another admirer of Bucky's work.
>
> I want them to know without a doubt that you in no way speak
> for me or have any affiliation with me whatsoever, so that
> they don't get confused and think design science is something
> they should be fighting, versus embracing as a godsend source
> of wonderful new curriculum material.
>
> I am also warning BFI about you, as I think you're a dangerous
> fool who is hurting Bucky's reputation.  I will be referring
> people to our dialogs on GEODESIC (archived on the web) as
> evidence of why I think this way.  They can then come to
> their own conclusions.
>
> Kirby
>
> At 10:18 PM 12/22/99 -0800, Michael Mitchell wrote:
> >Less than two days to get all those bombs for school kids.
> >Try bucky's educational system first though you might
> >find out how easy it is to make the world work without
> >the over specialization and paying all these idiots to
> >go to buildings that this little computer takes the place of
> >that I can put in my pocket and take pictures with.
> >every homeless person could have a few for all those
> >buildings and teacher setters that are out there
> >making money smoking in the bath rooms.
> >Let them off to go drink beer at home and watch
> >foot ball and let the kids learn something for a change.
> >All those 6 figure pro school teachers would have to
> >go to mc Donald's and get a job.
> >The dymaxion computer is the sony vaio c1 kids get
> >a few.
> >by the time you pay off the internet payments you could buy
> >a few and the net will be free in 6 months.
> >y2k I hear the sleigh bells high jacked in the sky.
> >Why do people have to hold on to the past so hard?
> >It is killing us all.
> >
> >
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Date:         Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:59:07 -0800
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From:         Brian Hutchings <r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US>
Subject:      umph

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      27-DEC-1999  7:59
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 in Ideas:1013, Michelson said that item 10 *is* working, but
 it stil does not for me (nor is it in the menu);
 it seems that they may have just reconfigured my own account,
 so that I can't use Ideas:10

 !!!
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Date:         Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:11:03 -0800
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From:         Brian Hutchings <r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US>
Subject:      Beat the Bushes!

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      28-DEC-1999  8:11
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 this is a test pre-B2K (bush second kingdom).

 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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Date:         Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:05:47 -0700
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From:         Bruce Ward <bward@METRO.NET>
Organization: chhhyehh...right...
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Joe S Moore wrote:
>
> Everybody,
> According to a postcard I just received in the mail, the BFI has moved.
> Their new contact info is:
>
> Buckminster Fuller Institute
> 111 North Main St
> Sebastopol, CA 95472
> 707-824-2242   voice
> 800-967-6277   sales
>
> >From now on their catalog will only be available on their web site:
> http://www.bfi.org/
> Apparently their newsletter will only be available online also, but I'm not sure.
> Also, I'm assuming the Santa Barbara office is now closed.
> The staff will apparently be Jaime, Lauren, Deborah & John.
> Anyone willing to visit the new office & post a report?

Hi All,
Walked in to the new BFI office in Sebastopuddle.  Met Deborah and
Lauren.  Nice ladies.  Small office, maybe 15' x 20', upstairs, but
right on the MAIN CORNER  of DOWNTOWN ;<)
(such as it is...).  Sebastopol has maybe 7500 people.

Introduced myself, offered volunteer time, bought one of the satellite
photo world maps.  They're still kinda unpacking.  Glad they moved
here.  I'm only about 6 miles away, so I hope to be able to make myself
useful.

gottagolaterbye
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Date:         Thu, 30 Dec 1999 06:34:27 -0800
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From:         Brian Hutchings <r007883@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US>
Subject:      Re: [Q-P] Violence and Nonviolence

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      30-DEC-1999  6:34
                 r007883@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 in regard to John Brown, although taht Sanborn should not have
 been forced to "confess" (of course),
 there certainly was a "conspiracy" around Brown,
 to inflame the tensions between North and South.
         likewise with the many abolitionists,
 who decried slavery but did not lift a finger (or voice)
 against the British Empire's colonial meign,
 nor its benefit from "American" slavery (and supply of it).
         but this is still ongoing in the Commonwealth,
 as with the warmongering say-soes of "Christian" Solidarity
 toward Sudan (which I experienced at the Museum of Tolerance;
 they designed a nasty presentation which made
 for guilt-by-association (in the presentation, at least)
 of the problematic Mauritania (I didn't know that,
 til then) with the one-sided "investigation" of Sudan by CSI.
 (fortunately, Clinton has managed to waylay Albright in Sudan,
 to promote the long-ongoing process of peace,
 mainly being thwarted by the SPLA).  see www.larouchepub.com

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net
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Date:         Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:28:38 -0800
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From:         Brian Hutchings <r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US>
Subject:      Yahoo!s on the march (the British are coming, again)

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   30-DEC-1999  7:28
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 this is only a testimonial.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:40:41 -0800
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MESSAGE from ="List 30-DEC-1999  7:31
 <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   30-DEC-1999  7:28
                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

  this is only a testimonial.

<<FORWARDED by>> Brian Hutchings                      30-DEC-1999  7:40
                 r007883@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
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Date:         Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:03:40 -0800
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From:         Brian Hutchings <r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US>
Subject:      poor man's butter

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   30-DEC-1999  8:03
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 hey, look at this --
 this seems to prove that either a)
 the outgoing mail was always still OK, or b)
 in adding a new account to circumvent the "problem"
 of no mail either way, they partially cleared it "up" --
 if there ever *was* a problem.  (it was an obvius hack, because
 the item in which most of my documentation of "things that suck
 in PEN" had been deleted, or so it appeared;
 when another user said, it was still there, I realized that
 someone had just "forgotten" that item in ny config for PEN, and
 I merely remembered it, back !-)

 --Beat the Bush (again and, if necessary, again -- cloning?)
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

 PS: am I really related to John Adams, after all?  (signed,
 Brian Quincy Hutchings .-)
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Date:         Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:44:34 -0500
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From:         plan 2000 <elhofi@INTOUCH.COM>
Subject:      this is the Plan of 2000....Get it.!!
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LOOK AT THIS!

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  if you have questions about the program then you are through or if you
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...
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  I was earning a good living as a lawyer, but as anyone
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similar letters going around. What made this one different is the fact that
there are seven names on the
letter, not five like most others. This fact, alone, resulted
in more returns. The other factor was the advice I gave
him in making sure the whole thing was perfectly legal,
since no one wants to risk doing anything illegal.

I bet now you are curious about what changes I told him to
make. Well, if you send a letter like this out, to be legal,
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I told him that anyone sending a dollar out must receive
something in return. So when you send a dollar to each
of the seven names on the list you must include a piece
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include your name and mailing address.

Follow these simple instructions exactly and in less
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************************************************************
Here are THE STEPS:
*******************
STEP 1:
=======
A) IMMEDIATELY SEND $1 (wrapped in a piece of blank paper) to each of
the seven names below. Include a note (typed or handwritten saying "Please
add me to your mailing list" .
and include: your name and mailing address.
You MUST include this note for this to be legal.
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 Mailing list NAMES:
====================
 1. MB Neely 4867 Ashford Dunwoody Rd. #5302, Dunwoody, GA 30338

2. Anthony Merck, 20202 SW Butler Road, Rose Hill, Kansas 67133

3. J. Newman, PMB449, 31855 Date Palm Drive Suite 3, Cathedral City, CA
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4. AHMED NABIL- EL SHAIMAA PHARMA- malak hefni-asafraa-Alex/EGYPT

5. Rudy Smith 102 Valley View Drive Coatesville, PA 19320

6. R.T. Medford PO Box 540747 Green Acres, FL 33454

7. N.Moh.ABDEL KADER,ahmed fouad darwich, bulkly-Alexandria-Egypt
==================================================
STEP 2:
=======
B) Remove the name next and ADDRESS NEXT to #1 at the top of the list and
move the rest of the names up one position.
Then place your name in the #7 spot. This is done by saving this to a file
and the entering your information on line #7. Be very careful when you type
the addresses and be sure to proof read them.

C) When you have completed the above instructions you have an option of
mailing your new letter in two ways.
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2) through e-mail.
This letter has been proven perfectly legal for both ways as long as you
follow the above instructions, because you're purchasing membership in our
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Send this letter to thousands, even millions. This will bring you big
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(refer to title 18, section 1302 & 1342 of the U.S. Postal and Lottery
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Assume for example, that you get 7.5% return rate, which is very
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out $1.00
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send you $1.00
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          MAKE YOUR DREAM COME TRUE...

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<B>LOOK AT THIS!</B><BR>
<BR>
<B>THIS MAY BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT LETTER YOU RECEIVE THIS YEAR!!</B><BR>
<BR>
 May I have your permission to send you free information of an exciting<BR>
and very profitable home business which exploding in 1999?<BR>
it is truly the EASIEST and the HOTTEST home business Today it is NOT chain=
 letter, not AN ILLEGAL  get rich quick scam it is a legitinate business wh=
ich has been around for over THREE years..!<BR>
this program has always been successfull , bu now it has become even more a=
ttractive because of three facilities about which I shall tell at the end o=
f the letter.<BR>
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  if you have questions about the program then you are through or if you ne=
ed help getting start e-mail me..Iwill be more than happy to help you ....<=
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otmail.com?subject=3Dremove</A><BR>
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<B>Please follow the instructions of this letter very carefully,</B><BR>
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Greetings,<BR>
<BR>
Hopefully, my name is still on the list. When I first read this letter,<BR>
I thought it was some off-the-wall idea to make money. A week later I met a=
gain with my client to discuss the issue. I told him that the letter origin=
ally brought to me was not 100% legal.I advised him to make a small change =
in the letter and it would be alright.<BR>
<BR>
I was curious about the letter, so he told me how it works.<BR>
I thought it was a long shot, so I decided against participating.Before my =
client left, I asked him to keep me updated as to his results. About two mo=
nths later he called to tell me that he had received over $800,000 in cash!=
! I didn't believe him so he asked me to try the plan and see for myself. I=
 thought about it for a few days and decided that there was not much to los=
e. I followed the instructions exactly and mailed out 200 letters. Sure eno=
ugh the money started coming in!! It<BR>
came slowly at first, but after three weeks I was getting more than I could=
 open in a day. After about three months the money stopped coming. I kept a=
 precise record of my<BR>
earnings and at the end they totaled $868,439.00!<BR>
<BR>
  I was earning a good living as a lawyer, but as anyone<BR>
in the legal profession will tell you, there is a lot of stress<BR>
that comes with the job. I told myself if things worked<BR>
out I would retire from practice and play golf. I decided<BR>
to try the letter again, but this time I sent out 500 letters.<BR>
Well, three months after that I had totaled $2,344,178.00!!<BR>
I just couldn't believe it. I met my old client for lunch to find<BR>
out exactly how this program works. He told me that there were a few simila=
r letters going around. What made this one different is the fact that there=
 are seven names on the<BR>
letter, not five like most others. This fact, alone, resulted<BR>
in more returns. The other factor was the advice I gave<BR>
him in making sure the whole thing was perfectly legal,<BR>
since no one wants to risk doing anything illegal.<BR>
<BR>
I bet now you are curious about what changes I told him to<BR>
make. Well, if you send a letter like this out, to be legal,<BR>
you must sell something if you expect to receive a dollar.<BR>
I told him that anyone sending a dollar out must receive<BR>
something in return. So when you send a dollar to each<BR>
of the seven names on the list you must include a piece<BR>
of paper saying "please put me on you mailing list" and<BR>
include your name and mailing address.<BR>
<BR>
<B>Follow these simple instructions </B>exactly and in less<BR>
that three months you will receive over $800,000.00.<BR>
************************************************************<BR>
<B>Here are THE STEPS:</B><BR>
<B>*******************</B><BR>
<B>STEP 1:</B><BR>
<B>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</B><BR>
A) <B>IMMEDIATELY SEND $1 </B>(wrapped in a piece of blank paper) to each o=
f <BR>
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se add me to your mailing list"</B> .<BR>
and include: your name and mailing address. <BR>
You MUST include this note for this to be legal.<BR>
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</B><BR>
<B> Mailing list NAMES:</B><BR>
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 1. MB Neely 4867 Ashford Dunwoody Rd. #5302, Dunwoody, GA 30338<BR>
<BR>
2. Anthony Merck, 20202 SW Butler Road, Rose Hill, Kansas 67133<BR>
<BR>
3. J. Newman, PMB449, 31855 Date Palm Drive Suite 3, Cathedral City, CA<BR>
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   31-DEC-1999  9:19
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 this is a testimony.
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Subject:      help!

MESSAGE from Brian Q. Hutchings 31-DEC-1999 10:09

 Thing That Sucks (Santa Monica's "PEN")

 of course, I have been trying to get this "out there,"
 albeit without any homepage than the that is internal to PEN --
 the "Public Electronic Network," which has been progressively abandoned
 by the City and its Council, especially starting several months
 before the last General Election (notwithstanding that
 there was a cosmetic change to the City's homepage, and
 campaign verbiage about "e" everything, including a whole document
 from the Telecomm.Working Group that Council sponsored).
    this turned-out to be a material "bad" for my campaign for Council,
 because I had actually expected them to live-up to some
 of this hype, in spite of my own dysgust with jacobin/populist forms;
 as it was, I was the only candidate that actually addressed issues
 on this forum -- and am now one of the few users, left,
 after this prolonged period of malign neglect (PEN had its 10th Anniv.
 in February !-)

 here is a short list of the grotesque features:
 no dial-up for the GUI part of the City databases;
 mail only via the old, textual PEN, which is "left for dead";
 that mail is a horrible "kludge" that has never been fixed or replaced;
 there has been no newsletter to the public for over 5 years, so that
 folks really don't know that it's a) been on the web and b)
 has world-around mail.

 all of this has been documented in PEN, in an item therein,
 "This Is Your Mind on PEN" (Ideas:1013), which is just a file, and
 thus readily posted to a mailist or newsgroup -- nor is it very long.
 I might have put it onto a "free" page, but I have had a problem
 with my unique hardware, and also ban Yahoo! (tm) and avoid Yahoo!s,
 anyway, as much as I can (it seems that many of the "free" services
 are just front-ends for Yahoo! -- yeeha .-)
    now, before the change of SM's City Manager, she told me
 what is just the latter-day version of the excuse for doing nothing,
 the proverbial d-day scenario, Y20C (the Centipede,
 as I prefer to call it); even more recently, she actually said that
 there might be public terminals (all of which have been removed;
 you can still get into it from the library, if you can find PEN)
 put into the new Police HQ -- to be finished in 2001.

 since in speaking to the CM and the Director of Info Sys Dept,
 in the past week, I realized that they may still be planning
 to prosecute me for "trespassing," because neither bothered
 to volunteer anything about dropping the case.  of course,
 this charge was made in the course of finally, frantically,
 trying to get the outgoing CM to do something "as a matter
 of propriety," and I did not even get into the courtyard
 via illegal means (it was only a half-hour after closing etc.)
    much of the ongoing caginess & lying ("for Brian's info") seems
 to be cnetered around this fiasco of the 2-digit bug,
 which happens to coincide with a millennial odometer-spin; indded,
 with the "WAND" Corp. being directly across the street
 from City Hall, as a longtime home & promoter of both geopolitics
 and neolib/neocon "trade is freedom" ideology, they ought to know,
 who might be "making a killing".

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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<<REPLY from  >> Brian Q. Hutchings                   31-DEC-1999 10:22
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 now, the big deal for me, personally, is that *if*
 there is a big problem with this silly bug, and *if*
 there is martial law induced (although there already is,
 more or less, in SM and LA because of the earthquake), then
 I am not going to get much of a trial, or any jury --
 and I already have a "history" of trespassing, unfortunately.