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Date:         Sat, 1 Jan 2000 15:19:12 -0800
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Kirby I do not keep anything from anybody.
So if you want me I am right here come on
and tell me what it is that you have found about me
that is going to take me from the universe and
make all my experiences not valid to me.
I do not remember sending you private mailings
more than please do not kick me off you list so
that I can keep communicating about synergetics
with some of the participants that were interested
in my opinion that synergetics is based on precession
more than the volumetric sourcing that you seem to think.
The fact that precession is a principle and the most
obvious to humans as being on a ball that has now
been around the sun 2 k times since christ.
That the clock is a precessional device
and that all events are made of precession.
The volumes of which you are so involved
are freeze frame of axis models of precession
and compound precessional matrixes are the
92 elements.  The dome is only used on slow
area sweeping islands of compound precessional
volumes like earth.  The sun is much faster and
you can not build a dome it would melt in area
meshing of he and h, only slow moving elements
can make domes. Happy New year Kirby or
happy new precession of the earth around the sun.

Kirby Urner wrote:

> That was an email to your personal address, not to the list.
> Since you've made it public, I take this as permission to
> make any of your private communications to me public as well.
> Thanks.
>
> Kirby
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Subject:      KKK, again?

MESSAGE from =r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US 04-JAN-2000 15:30
 <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   04-JAN-2000 15:24
                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

  just as the Appeals Court (?) has just denied to review the case
  involving Miranda rights -- one of the key civil rights --
  there is also a case before Judge Sentelle's infamous 3-judge panel,
  concerning the Voting Rights Act in re LaRouche versus Fowler
  (et al at the DNC; he was the chairman),
  which the DNC's lawyer is arguing to be unconstitutional,
  based upon prior opinions of 4 of the Justices!

  see http://www.larouchecampaign.org
  -- there will also be more live webcasts, this week.

  --Beat the Bush (again, and if necessary again -- cloning?)
  http://ww.tarpley.net/bush12.htm

<<FORWARDED by>> Brian Hutchings                      04-JAN-2000 15:32
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Subject:      ruberstamping the Bank?

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   05-JAN-2000  3:00
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 17. The 1993 Nobel Economics Prize winners Robert Fogel and Douglass North
  shamelessly advocated slavery as an economic model. Fogel co-authored
 (with
  Stanley Engerman) Time on the Cross: The Economics of American Negro
  Slavery , which claimed that the plantation-slavery model was superior to
 the
  family farm. Gary Becker, the winner of the 1992 Economics Prize, has
 publicly
  called for setting up a market to trade in body parts, to allow those who
 can afford
  it to buy organs for transplant.

 --The Duke o'Slush! http://www.tarpley.net/bush12.htm
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Well, sure, from an economic standpoint it's better.  Free or almost free
labor.  In electronics products labor is 75% or more of the cost.  That's
why companies spend millions (billions??) to move production lines to Mexico
and third world countries.

It's the model thats in error as if fails to accound for moral and social
aspects (Like men don't want to be slaves and will resist).

By the way, whats your point and why are you posting here?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Hutchings [SMTP:r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 6:00 AM
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> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   05-JAN-2000  3:00
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  17. The 1993 Nobel Economics Prize winners Robert Fogel and Douglass
> North
>   shamelessly advocated slavery as an economic model. Fogel co-authored
>  (with
>   Stanley Engerman) Time on the Cross: The Economics of American Negro
>   Slavery , which claimed that the plantation-slavery model was superior
> to
>  the
>   family farm. Gary Becker, the winner of the 1992 Economics Prize, has
>  publicly
>   called for setting up a market to trade in body parts, to allow those
> who
>  can afford
>   it to buy organs for transplant.
>
>  --The Duke o'Slush! http://www.tarpley.net/bush12.htm
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Subject:      Re: [Q-P] Econ of Slavery

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   05-JAN-2000 10:55
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 thte citation was too brief to say anything
 about the Nobelistes or their morals;
 I'd guess that the concept being used against this study,
 is the Constitutional one of the General Welfare --
 something that is *not* enshrined in the Magna Carta <spit>;
 in this repsect, slavery completely fails as moral doctrine,
 as does the feudalism of the Holy Tibetan Empire (say .-)
    the point is that, there must be some encompassing reason,
 that someone could be awarded the Bank-prize (sik),
 which no-one has yet elaborated.

 thus quoth:
  but was economically superior.  All those Quakers that sold their


 --The Duke o'Slush!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush12.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   05-JAN-2000 11:03
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 here's the context:

 The old, pre-Fifteenth-Century political model, under the Babylonian,
 Roman, and medieval systems, was the same model so crudely and shamelessly
 professed, later, by fanatical defenders of the Confederacy and its system
 of African-American chattel slavery. Those moral degenerates who
 apologized for the Confederacy's system of slavery as "a peculiar
 institution," insisted that slavery had enabled "The South" to produce a
 class of (self-esteemed) "genteel" parasites, the latter esteemed, by
 these parasites, as of a nobler culture than Yankee industrialists and
 other louts. fn.17 That is typical of the Roman imperial tradition, the
 Babylonian-Roman tradition of the state as the property of a ruling class
 of oligarchical "shareholders," and the subjects of that state, as
 Vice-President Al Gore's Earth in the Balance argued, as virtually classes
 of expendable "human cattle," "human cattle" to be nourished, fattened,
 milked, and slaughtered at the pleasure of the gentry which owned them.
 Such is today's revival of the Nazi-like doctrine, that human beings are
 just other animals, with the same rights, and lack of human rights, as
 beasts of the farm, forest, and brushlands.

 The same perverted viewpoint of the old Confederacy was continued, with a
 certain slyness, by fanatical "post-bellum" Anglophiles of the "Nashville
 Agrarian" type, such as Robert Penn Warren and Harvard Professor William
 Yandell Elliot. All of these sundry expressions of oligarchism, saw the
 only meaning for even the very existence of the victims of oligarchical
 rule, to lie within the sundry classes of services and amusement which a
 suitably obedient class of stupefied "human cattle"--a virtual class of
 rutting, babbling "Yahoos," as Jonathan Swift used that term--provided a
 ruling, aristocratic, class or race.

 As any secondary-school graduate should know real-life history, for the
 Roman and feudal systems, as for the evil system of Babylon, earlier, the
 subject classes and "races" were viewed as justifying their existence only
 to the degree this suited the convenience, and the whims of the ruling
 oligarchy. The same oligarchical view of the populations of Africa, South
 America, and Asia, has been lately expressed by the Club of Rome, in
 Vice-President Al Gore's Earth in the Balance, fn.18 as Professor Elliot's
 former protige , National Security Advisor Henry A. Kissinger's 1974
 National Security Study Memorandum 200 , fn.19 and the outgoing Carter
 Administration's Global 2000 fn.20 and Global Future fn.21 expressed the
 same Malthusian doctrine.

 As long as the imperial Code of Diocletian cast its brutish shadow legacy


 see http://www.larouchecampaign.org/pages/educationwpch5.html
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   06-JAN-2000  4:07
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 The re-creation of that experience of mankind during pre-historic and
 ancient historic times, ought to be an integral, and crucial part of the
 activity of the pupils, even at pre-secondary levels. Rather than
 attempting to interpret the mere words used to describe astronomical
 patterns, as today's superstitious believers in the cult of astrology do,
 the students should share the experience of the individual pupil's direct
 observation of the night sky, as ancient man first adduced the idea of
 fixed universal laws from such observations. The idea of {validatable
 universal physical principles}, has been developed in known history,
 chiefly as a by-product of the development of empirical astrophysics, into
 the direction of the conceptions established by the successive development
 of astrophysics by, chiefly, Kepler and Gauss. Physics means, chiefly, the
 search for the same quality of validatable universal physical principles
 in the very small, as astrophysics defines universal principles
 empirically in the very large. The study of such principles operating at
 those extremes, is the standpoint of reference for the literate use of the
 term "universal laws" in all fields of inquiry.

 There are four classes of observed effects, which taken together, form the
 evidentiary basis for all notions of objective, experimental scientific
 inquiry. These four classes of effects, and their adducible correlations,
 provide the foundations for all competent policies of science education in
 secondary and higher education today.

 One of these, is experienced, as I have just emphasized, on the scale of
 astrophysics. A second, is experienced on the scale of microphysics. A
 third, is the clinical evidence of a qualitative, categorical difference,
 between living and non-living processes, even when the contrast is between
 observed processes composed of what are ostensibly virtually the same
 chemical materials. The fourth, is the difference between the mind of the
 human individual and the behavior of the beasts. The issue of the way in
 which living processes serve as the medium in which the development of
 cognition has occurred, is the key challenge for all the fundamental
 issues of modern scientific knowledge.

 --The Duke o'Slush!  (http://www.tarpley.net/bush12.htm)

 [the book that can defeat the nexus o'the Bush'00 Cmte. -- at "WAND;" Beat
 the Bush (Again) and Wipe the Gore (Anew) !-]
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      06-JAN-2000 10:13
                 r007883@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 if you take the Aryan (Theosophist pseudo-Dravidian anthropo, but
 probably applicable to Dalai Lamas 1-13, at the least [*]) cult
 of the oligarchical Thule Society, which inculcated Hitler et al,
 then it is quite literal as to their respect of other "races,"
 having no-more rights than animals.
         however, as a founding member (and vice president)
 of Vegetables First!, I'd say that most of you are the spawn
 of the Devil, mercilessly canning and
 preserving the Vegetable Kingdom for your "Xian" harvest!
         anyway, the footnote & body of text was excerpted
 from http://www.larouchecampaign.org/pages/educationwpintro.html
 -- that was footnote 17, in the fifth part of that.

 ----
 * just note that the Director's Cut of *Kundun* was the one
 that was released; everything that was left on the floor,
 was incorporated in cryptic format in "7 weeks in Argentina,
 filming this ****" (sik); oy, Hitler -- oy, Heinrich Harrer!

 --The Duke o'Slush
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush12.htm
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Brian I am going to tell the bfi about you.
HRRRRrrrrr!er!
education automation is now the net and we have only
to see Qualcom and the cdma format to hit the sats and
back to our palmtechnet units and bingo we are all talking
world peace together from solar energy celled phones.
Invest in techs and make it happen faster. Yeah!

Brian Hutchings wrote:

> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      06-JAN-2000 10:13
>                  r007883@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  if you take the Aryan (Theosophist pseudo-Dravidian anthropo, but
>  probably applicable to Dalai Lamas 1-13, at the least [*]) cult
>  of the oligarchical Thule Society, which inculcated Hitler et al,
>  then it is quite literal as to their respect of other "races,"
>  having no-more rights than animals.
>          however, as a founding member (and vice president)
>  of Vegetables First!, I'd say that most of you are the spawn
>  of the Devil, mercilessly canning and
>  preserving the Vegetable Kingdom for your "Xian" harvest!
>          anyway, the footnote & body of text was excerpted
>  from http://www.larouchecampaign.org/pages/educationwpintro.html
>  -- that was footnote 17, in the fifth part of that.
>
>  ----
>  * just note that the Director's Cut of *Kundun* was the one
>  that was released; everything that was left on the floor,
>  was incorporated in cryptic format in "7 weeks in Argentina,
>  filming this ****" (sik); oy, Hitler -- oy, Heinrich Harrer!
>
>  --The Duke o'Slush
>  http://www.tarpley.net/bush12.htm
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Subject:      Geodesic structure weight resistances

I am an undergraduate mathematics student doing research on geodesic
structures.  In particular, I am interested in the weight and stress
resistance of geodesic domes.  In looking through this listserv's archives I
have noticed there seems to be a method of calculating this information
using matrices.  Is this true?  Can anyone point me to specific
articles/resources which explain this method to me?  Thanks- Eric
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Bucky's last geodesic dome prototype was a deresonated tensegrity; see:

http://www.bfi.org/slideshtml/imag0019a.htm   color pic

http://www.bfi.org/slideshtml/imag0020a.htm   close-up

For more details see:

'Your Private Sky, RBF: The Art of Design Science' pages 432-3, 435 & 452.

'Buckminster Fuller: An Autobiographical monologue/Scenario, pages 39,48,
50-1 & 168.

http://www.compassnet.com/mrex/geodesic.jpg   Windstar Foundation

"The Deresonated Tensegrity Dome" by Amy Edmondson in Synergetica (mag),
11-86, pp 1-9.


It was going to be his home in LA, but he died before the prototype was
finished.

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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Georg,

Look in my Master Index under "Domes/Stress".

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

"georg wilhelm" <wilhelm@kallisto.rz.fht-stuttgart.de> wrote in message
news:385DE17F.2E5161C1@kallisto.rz.fht-stuttgart.de...
> Hey,
> I am looking for resources on the web about domes.
> My special intrest are dissertations about joint stiffness and the
> influence of decking or cladding of domes.
> If you have any resources please help!
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Georg
>
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Good day to everybody.
It's my first time to be a member of a mailing list.
I  have lots of things i think i have to discover. I only saw these from
Hahn's Yellow Pages. I was convinced to subscribe to this mailing list
probably to construct a model
 geodesic dome. Maybe anybody can help me on this. I only knew about
Tetrahedral structures in Chemistry.

By the way,  I'm a newly hired physics teacher although my major is
Chemistry.
Last year i assigned students to construct a model bridge out of simple
materials like papers, softdrinks straw, ice drop sticks, strings. But
when i saw and reard about geodesic dome, i thought it could also be
applied in bridges,      Was there a project or invention from Fuller
applying the same principle?

I only have read about Dymaxion House, car  and others. But i would like
to see more on this. I hope you all understand.  Thanks and i hope you
all welcome me.
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Subject:      Re: [Q-P] ruberstamping the Bank o'Sweden (Nobel Acadamy) ??

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   08-JAN-2000  8:59
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 Mitchell, you seem hardly to be aware of your surroundings,
 as far as this list goes -- Cap'n Mitch,
 are you able to navigate in open waters, without GPS?

 take you education automaton, go to HAIL britannica.com
 for lessons in empirical history, and fall in
 with the dancing chorus of "Mikado" to make light
 of British/Japanese imperialism (circa WW2) -- topsy-turvy!

 can you even swim?

 --Beat the Bush (again & again til it's dead)
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush12.htm

 thus quoth:
  education automation is now the net and we have only
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   08-JAN-2000  9:43
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 "Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland;

                 "Who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;

                 "Who rules the World-Island commands the world.

                 "Geopolitics was also invoked by some leading German
 political geographers to justify their
                 country's `Drang nach Osten' ["Drive to the East"],
 notably by Karl Haushofer adapting
                 Mackinder's concept to Germany's strategic needs. Its
 much-vulgarized echo could also be heard
                 in Adolf Hitler's emphasis on the German people's need for
 `Lebensraum' " ["living space"].

                 One suspects that Brzezinski is even more aware than he
 lets on of how Mackinder's geopolitics
                 permeated various British channels, to Karl Haushofer, and
 thence to the marcher-lord Hitler.

                 It is therefore little short of astounding that Brzezinski
 offers to present a post-modern version of
                 the Mackinder/Haushofer geopolitical doctrine, since it
 places him historically in the footsteps of
                 Hitler's geostrategic doctrine.

                 Clearly, Brzezinski's hatred of Russia is much more
 motivated by his being a British asset, than by
                 his background as heir to the lesser Polish nobility, that
 suffered so deeply from these "geopolitical
                 theories."

                 The `Survivors' Club'

 from http://www.larouchepub.com/thompson_brzezinski_2615.html
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Wilfredo,

Welcome aboard!

For just about anything you may want to know about Fuller and/or his works,
see my "Master Index" or "Selected Ideas" at my website below.  Look in the
index under "Domes", and under 'Octet Truss" for ideas about bridges.

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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From: "WILFREDO B. COCJIN JR." <jjpf-cocjin@pacific.net.ph>
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> Good day to everybody.
> It's my first time to be a member of a mailing list.
> I  have lots of things i think i have to discover. I only saw these from
> Hahn's Yellow Pages. I was convinced to subscribe to this mailing list
> probably to construct a model
>  geodesic dome. Maybe anybody can help me on this. I only knew about
> Tetrahedral structures in Chemistry.
>
> By the way,  I'm a newly hired physics teacher although my major is
> Chemistry.
> Last year i assigned students to construct a model bridge out of simple
> materials like papers, softdrinks straw, ice drop sticks, strings. But
> when i saw and reard about geodesic dome, i thought it could also be
> applied in bridges,      Was there a project or invention from Fuller
> applying the same principle?
>
> I only have read about Dymaxion House, car  and others. But i would like
> to see more on this. I hope you all understand.  Thanks and i hope you
> all welcome me.
>
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My special thanks to the following:

                   Sir Robert Conroy

                   Sir Joe S. Moore

                   Sir John Belt

                   Sir Richard J. Knight,

                            For the specific answers to all of my
inquiries.

I would say that all of you deserve to be called Sir's because of the
way you all satisfied my curiosity.

You all gave me a very valuable and informative things that was not
known to me. I'll also tell this to all my friends that i had found new
friends and Mind masters.

I already checked the web pages you all gave me, and they are great!

I hope that i could contribute something for the list but i still need
time and extra effort to be in tune with what is out there(net and
people on the net).

I remember one of my Professors stating that our country the Philippines
is 20 years behind the United States, and 50 years behind Japan in terms
of technology and i would say also information.

Thanks again for the wonderful time and efforts in preparing for all my
questions i posted on the list. I'll get in touch again, soon. TTFN


 - Wilfredo
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Date:         Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:17:28 -0800
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The concept of domes have a girth to length ratio concerning the struts, and the
state of
magnetic nuclear bonding of the material; which is relative to the amount of
heat in the surrounding
systems within the design area in the universe.
You can not build a dome on the sun. The earth has compression and tension due
to its heat norm and area sweep out of the precessional local motion of volumes
of elements.
So your design for your dome must start with the reason for the design and it's
purpose so as
to make the problem well stated and then well solved. Bucky always stated a
problem well
stated is a problem solved.



"Eric B. Brever" wrote:

> I am an undergraduate mathematics student doing research on geodesic
> structures.  In particular, I am interested in the weight and stress
> resistance of geodesic domes.  In looking through this listserv's archives I
> have noticed there seems to be a method of calculating this information
> using matrices.  Is this true?  Can anyone point me to specific
> articles/resources which explain this method to me?  Thanks- Eric
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Date:         Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:35:23 -0800
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The amount of surroundings is made of light speed packets of light in different
radii of precession.
It is important to always keep this in mind.  Only the radii length of the speed
of light is changed
making all events, elements, systems of elements together and planets, solar
systems etc.
Every thing is a solar system in miniature so to speak.  I would read the book
critical path first.
Then synergtics 1 and 2 and then Stephen W. Hawking's a brief history of time to
build a dome.
The dome is obsolete in my mind and is a monument to the design science of the
world man
specie which Fuller was the first of on the planet.  I would live now on a boat-
as i do now.
The dome is the most efficient way to enclose space on G force planets like
earth.
In outer space so to speak they are also the lightest way to orbit volume
accommodating
shelter after in orbit.  They will not work on the sun. A 10 mile dome will
orbit half in orbit and
half out, you could walk to outer space. Build it in the ocean floating first
and then
make it fly with only hot air. If you take the great circle of any dome and
multiply
times 4 you will have the area of the sphere, or the material to cover it with
an
insideness and outsideness.  If you would spin it in orbit and live inside it
with mirrors on the
ends you could have plants and water that would recycle. The spin would give it
the precessional gravity to walk on the inside.  A hot air space ship of 10 mile
radii of
it's great circles.  It would not have weight resistance inward like on earth
but outward
from the torque of the precession.

"Eric B. Brever" wrote:

> I am an undergraduate mathematics student doing research on geodesic
> structures.  In particular, I am interested in the weight and stress
> resistance of geodesic domes.  In looking through this listserv's archives I
> have noticed there seems to be a method of calculating this information
> using matrices.  Is this true?  Can anyone point me to specific
> articles/resources which explain this method to me?  Thanks- Eric
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Eric B. Brever wrote:
>
> I am an undergraduate mathematics student doing research on geodesic
> structures.  In particular, I am interested in the weight and stress
> resistance of geodesic domes.  In looking through this listserv's archives I
> have noticed there seems to be a method of calculating this information
> using matrices.  Is this true?  Can anyone point me to specific
> articles/resources which explain this method to me?  Thanks- Eric
Eric-
You want to look up the works of the geodesic dome god, Buckminster
Fuller.
--
Thanks,

Jim Hawkins,
Oregon Dome, Inc.

E-mail:  oregon@domes.com
Web:  http://www.domes.com
Address:  3215 Meadow Lane, Eugene OR  97402
Fax:  (541) 689-9275
Phone:  (800) 572-8943 or (541) 689-3443
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Date:         Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:18:57 -0800
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Eric,

Look in my index under "Domes":
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Dome-Dt.htm

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> I am an undergraduate mathematics student doing research on geodesic
> structures.  In particular, I am interested in the weight and stress
> resistance of geodesic domes.  In looking through this listserv's archives
I
> have noticed there seems to be a method of calculating this information
> using matrices.  Is this true?  Can anyone point me to specific
> articles/resources which explain this method to me?  Thanks- Eric
>
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From:         Julie Martineau <julie.martineau@MAILCITY.COM>
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Please,

Can you provide me any informations about those flying spheres Buckminster Fuller have conceived in the 60's in collaboration with Sadao?

It would be very much appreciated.
Thanks,

Julie Martineau


LYCOShop is now open. On your mark, get set, SHOP!!!
http://shop.lycos.com/
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Date:         Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:07:45 -0800
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Dick,

Go to the bottom of my website's home page and search for the words
"curriculum" and "curricula".  You should find at least 7 references.

Also, go to Kirby Urner's "Links" page
http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/links.html.  There are several references to
people doing curricula work.

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 8:12 AM
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> Joe
>
> Do you know of any information about anyone's attempts at writing a
complete
> or partial curriculum for public schools or for that mater anyschool k-12
> based upon nowknown universal principals.  Is there Bucky filtered and
> augmented books or lesson plans?  I have plenty info on the philosophy of
> education.  I seek curriculum consistant with synergy and the new
coordinate
> system to replace existing curriculum.  I would be happy to find such
> information.
>
> Thanks
> Dick
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
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Re: MODELS OF ORGANIZATIONS

The way I see it, organizations are behaving more & more like higher &
higher frequency tetrahedra.

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> Tetworld Global Advisory Committee -
http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/advisory.html
>
> All, Dan Gunter's website is at-  http://dangunter.home.mindspring.com/
>
>
> The page in his book which specifically talks about the tetrahedron
geometry
> and rationale is at-  http://dangunter.home.mindspring.com/tetbirth.htm
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Date:         Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:16:21 -0800
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Geodesic dome junglegym climbers, etc; Robin Sansonetti, owner.

Tecknico
P.O. Box 10593
Kansas City, MO
64188

http://www.swiftsite.com/tecknico/dome.htm

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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Date:         Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:47:33 -0800
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Julie,

Go to the bottom of the home page of my website & search for the word
"cloud"; you should find about a dozen references.  Super-large geodesic
domes can ONLY be designed using tensegrity technology; so search using the
word "tensegrity" also.

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> Please,
>
> Can you provide me any informations about those flying spheres Buckminster
Fuller have conceived in the 60's in collaboration with Sadao?
>
> It would be very much appreciated.
> Thanks,
>
> Julie Martineau
>
>
> LYCOShop is now open. On your mark, get set, SHOP!!!
> http://shop.lycos.com/
>
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Date:         Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:46:15 -0600
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Rick -- I've upgraded my computer, and my email address book has
"gone away."  Could you please email me back?  THANKS!

     -- Chuck Knight
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Date:         Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:03:27 -0600
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Wrong email address!


At 02:46 PM 1/19/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Rick -- I've upgraded my computer, and my email address book has
>"gone away."  Could you please email me back?  THANKS!
>
>     -- Chuck Knight
>
>
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I've gotten several responses already.  Thank you, everyone, for
Rick Flowerday's email address.  You all know how hard it is to
rebuild an address book from memory.

THANKS!

     -- Chuck Knight
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Date:         Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:56:49 -0800
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Subject:      RIGID TENSEGRITIES
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Helen,

Pluter wanted a list of rigid ("deresonated") tensegrity references.  Here
is the latest updated & expanded references that I have.  I will eventually
post them to my web site.  (Sorry, the  table formatting & links were lost
in the process of cutting & pasting.)

Rigid (Deresonated) Tensegrities
-

"Deresonated Tensegrity Dome"
11-86
Synergetica (mag)
pp.1-9
Santa Monica
CA
USA

"BF Prunes Dome Material"
07-82
Dome Consumer News & Design (mag)
pp1 & 7
Evanston
IL
USA

An Introduction to Tensegrity
<1976
17' Prototype at SIU; cut from plywood
pp67-8
Carbondale
IL
USA

bf:autobiograph monolog/scenario
<1980
??' Prototype; 2 x 4's
39,48,50-1,168
Bear Island
ME
USA

Geodesic Math & How to Use It
11-76
75' Formulas & Calculations; 2 x 4's
pp41-44
-
-
USA

Ph 1,Doc 2:The Design Initiative
??-56
72' Prototype at SIU; 2 x 4's
p44
Carbondale
IL
USA

Your Private Sky,BF:art of des sci
11-99
BF's Last Home; Never Built
432-3,435,452
Los Angeles
CA
USA

People:     Cook, Robert
11-95
Windstar Biodome Team
-
Tucson
AZ
USA

Edmondson, Amy
01-99
Former RBF's Staffer
-
Cambridge?
MA
USA

Image 0019a
01-2000
BFI color slide-overview
-
Sebastopol
CA
USA

Image 0020a
01-2000
BFI color slide-closeup
-
"
"
"

Southern Illinois University
11-61
World Design Sci Decade, Doc 2;'72
p.44
Carbondale
IL
USA

Windstar Biodome Greenhouse
11-86
7-84; Synergetica (mag)
pp.1-9
Snowmass
CO
USA

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??-84
Windstar newsletter, spring/summer
pp1-3
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Windstar Rigid Tenseg
04-99
"Deresonated"
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Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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The precessional awareness of the moon and earths shadow on it tonight shows
the omni presents of how the volumes of the known universe work together
from nano to macro with each other.  It is stated that showing the shadow of
the
earth on the moon was the first proof that the world is round and gave
confidence for early captains to get others to go to sea and voyage around the
world.

The rotation of volumes and gravitational angular momentum of all bodies
(volumes)  make
the gyro - variations of all events. Precession is heart of synergetic
geometry.
All volumetrics are a result of precession.

The eclipse of the moon shows the power of precession in our life.
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This sort of bothers me that this is considered bucky's last project.
He was very much aware that world game was his greatest project
to communicate the option for the world to work.  World Game
was and will stand as his last project.
You may say this was his last modeling for sheltering humanity.
Or the last meeting with a model, but last project is over specialized to say.

Joe S Moore wrote:

> Bucky's last geodesic dome prototype was a deresonated tensegrity; see:
>
> http://www.bfi.org/slideshtml/imag0019a.htm   color pic
>
> http://www.bfi.org/slideshtml/imag0020a.htm   close-up
>
> For more details see:
>
> 'Your Private Sky, RBF: The Art of Design Science' pages 432-3, 435 & 452.
>
> 'Buckminster Fuller: An Autobiographical monologue/Scenario, pages 39,48,
> 50-1 & 168.
>
> http://www.compassnet.com/mrex/geodesic.jpg   Windstar Foundation
>
> "The Deresonated Tensegrity Dome" by Amy Edmondson in Synergetica (mag),
> 11-86, pp 1-9.
>
> It was going to be his home in LA, but he died before the prototype was
> finished.
>
> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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The earth is 3/4 water. Only 2.9 % of this is fresh water.
9% surface ground water
69% is glacier ice cap water
30% is deep ground water
only 1/100th% of the fresh water on earth is at our
design freedom to use.  This is not much. We are
killing our selves with the lack of  integrity to our fresh water.
I will be buying a water maker for my boat soon and use
solar cells and wind mills on my boat to make water out
of salt water.  In this way I will not be doing any thing to hurt
what I feel is important. My big boat has 2 gas engines but
I do not use it much maybe One hour a week to keep it in
good order.  I row every where and use a bike as much as
possible.  I have a sail boat as well that I keep on my big
boat to use when I wish to go sailing along with my dingy
named splinters. These are good habits
and better than land habits in my mind. When Qualcomm comes
out with the mobil internet phone with their cdma chip I will
be able to leave the land complete. Fish and row in to get what
I need anywhere on the california coast. I anchor the big boat and
use it as a base, free rent then. It is insured if it sinks.
I will be able to have all solar run internet, phone, water,
lights, heat, from wind and sun. This is very interesting.
I can put a sail on my boat and would change to a sail
boat if I were to go far, but I wish to stay in the LA area.
For this reason the motor boat has much more real-estate
aboard.  It has 3 floors including fly bridge..2 bed rooms
fridge, freezer, two computers, sleeps 6 if i want and has
110 and 12 volt electric systems. This is all under 50K$.
The rent for a boat with electricity at a marina is 3,051$ per year
here in San Pedro and includes water and electricity.
If you anchor out in the free anchorage it is free but without
110, electricity. You may live anywhere off the coast of California
free - 100 yards off the shore and surf in or row in.
I may live at Malibu beach surfing spot
free and surf in and out every day with a year parking
pass at the beach for about 60 dollars a year for parking.
This is a remarkable way to live. It allows for exercise as
part of your life style to get home. I have done this for a few
days at a time and it is very refreshing to stay at the surf spot
all night and wake and have breakfast and surf in and see your friends
that had to drive home and back that night.
This can only be done here in southern ca. without hurricanes.
The east coast would be hard to do this.  The weather here
is fantastic every day and warm and bright.  For those that are
not caught in a trap of security and the rat race I say all this for
you to consider this heavenly way to live.
Floating on clouds of water.
Mickey

http://home.earthlink.net~syntrivity/index.html
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For all those who may be interested in the many various aspects of the
tetrahedron, please see my collection of references & links at:

http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Tetra.htm

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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Here's an addition for your references to rigid tensegrities:


http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/prospect/prospect.htm
A Technology for Designing Tensegrity Domes and Spheres
Robert Burkhardt
Tensegrity Solutions
Box 426164
Cambridge, MA 02142-0021
USA
bobwb@juno.com
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Greetings!

You are cordially invited to visit the new webpage, Center for Studies of
the Tetrahedron-- devoted and dedicated to the Tetrahedron--its uses (past,
present and future)--its applications (past, present and
future)--possibilities (past, present and future)--in the arts, sciences,
professions--and from everyday life--everything to do with the tetrahedron.

The url is:  http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/magician/939/index.html

please scroll to the bottom of the page and click-on Tetrahedron link

I would be grateful to have any references, urls/links to add to the site.

Thanks,
Mark Siegmund
http://Tetworld.tripod.com
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THis is more like it, not copying anything and something that has a mystery of
what to do to it.
Thank you for your idea. This is an idea that one can do alone even if you ask
to collaborate.
The teterahedron has more axis with the least functions than any other system.

Mark Siegmund wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> You are cordially invited to visit the new webpage, Center for Studies of
> the Tetrahedron-- devoted and dedicated to the Tetrahedron--its uses (past,
> present and future)--its applications (past, present and
> future)--possibilities (past, present and future)--in the arts, sciences,
> professions--and from everyday life--everything to do with the tetrahedron.
>
> The url is:  http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/magician/939/index.html
>
> please scroll to the bottom of the page and click-on Tetrahedron link
>
> I would be grateful to have any references, urls/links to add to the site.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Siegmund
> http://Tetworld.tripod.com
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Thanks Michael,

Mark
Center for Studies of the Tetrahedron
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>
> THis is more like it, not copying anything and something that has a mystery of
> what to do to it.
> Thank you for your idea. This is an idea that one can do alone even if you ask
> to collaborate.
> The teterahedron has more axis with the least functions than any other system.
>
> Mark Siegmund wrote:
>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> You are cordially invited to visit the new webpage, Center for Studies of
>> the Tetrahedron-- devoted and dedicated to the Tetrahedron--its uses (past,
>> present and future)--its applications (past, present and
>> future)--possibilities (past, present and future)--in the arts, sciences,
>> professions--and from everyday life--everything to do with the tetrahedron.
>>
>> The url is:  http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/magician/939/index.html
>>
>> please scroll to the bottom of the page and click-on Tetrahedron link
>>
>> I would be grateful to have any references, urls/links to add to the site.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark Siegmund
>> http://Tetworld.tripod.com
>
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Subject:      Re: Fozzilized Foolz

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   24-JAN-2000 11:08
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

  SUBJECT: Re: [Q-P] Re use of fossil fuels
  MESSAGE   from =r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.U 24-JAN-20 10:59
  <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   24-JAN-2000 10:47
                   r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

   oops; sorry about the miss-sent posts: the 3 from yesterday follow


    <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      23-JAN-2000  6:37

     zat ist korrect, und der Great King (UberFuhrer), His Upness,
     Prince Charles, vill mandate hencefort dat all of the liqui fuels
     VILL BE FOSSILIZED az qvikly az pozzible!

     (this public service announcement paid for be Mobilsaurus Tex
     -- Bush, Again !?!)

     --The Permian Basin Gang!
     http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm



    <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      23-JAN-2000  8:03

     the IPCC is a politically horrible entity that had
     to get rid of the half of its members that did not agree,
     at the beginning, with the consensus.  we have quotes
     from the leading-ologists, like S.Schneider, about the necessity
     of fudging on the side of this consensus -- lying.
             just look at the primary anomalies from the *ground* data,
     of greater rise in temperature at night & winter;
     that is the key.  then, you must look at the satellite and
     the balloon data, which completely belie the consensus of the thugs.
             the latter data were the basis of a recent report
     by the NSF, in which they strove mightily to make them fit
     with Svente Ahrrennius' old, shitty model -- now available
     on a supercomputer near you, with the latest in "visualization"
     (strap-on/insert the teledildonics !-)
             I am not saying that there are not greater *differentials*
     of global weather -- there are -- but that the circa 1896 "model"
     of "overal" or global warming is as fungible
     as a pi-dollar bill.  yet, this is what the ad hoc GCMs are built
     around: a hysteria that is mandated by the key benefactors
     of the Kyoto Protocols (e.g.), which of course is the cartels
     of what you famously refer --in line with that cartel-- to
     as "fossilized" (granted, in the case of peat bogs & coal,
     though, or patially so .-)

     if one wishes to grok this stuff, one whould be
     passingly familiar with the whole of the Quatenary Period;
     see J.D.Hamaker's book, and anything by Hugh Elsassear, or
     the the lates issue of *21st Cent.Science and Tech.*,
     with the article by ZJ (a polish guy whose name
     I am not at leisure to recall .-)

     thus quoth:
      Turkish earthquake; storms there are expected to become much more
      severe and much more lethal and we will continue to ignore them.

      Additionally, there is expected to be a general increase in the number o
      hot days and the temperature of the hottest days, and a decline in the
      number of cold days. A loose stab at what this means in different parts
     of
      the U.S. over the next century was made by Environmental
      Defense Fund at http://www.edf.org/programs/GRAP/90Plus/map.html
      The average number of days
      above 90 in Boston/Miami/NY/Philadelphia in 1990 was
      about 11/23/13/21.
      This is expected to grow significantly (note Miami!) to 24/121/34/45 by
      2100 by the medium increase forecast by IPCC, the Intergovernmental Pane
      on Climate Change. Go to the web site to see your city. So far, no
      particular heat wave has been definitely absolutely caused by global

     --The Duke of Oil!
     http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm


    Subject: Re: [Q-P] discussing journalism

    <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      23-JAN-2000  8:15

     a Christian could not hate Fidel; however,
     he could hate the fact that he is the head of the Sao Paolo Forum,
     and the key to the rise of the Jacobin, unicameral Assembly
     of Venezuelan Napoleon-clone, Chavez,
     whose recent performance in the dysaster of mudslides,
     in the midst of armtwisting for his new Constitution,
     is exmplary of the type.  to quote Chavez,
     "the voice of the People is God";
     "not even God or Nature will defeat us!"
     (or to the same effect.)

     the dyscussion about the lying media compeltely ignores the part
     of it that is not so USA-ey, such as the huge comglomerate
     that is based out of Toronoto, carrying hundreds of dailies & weeklies
     int hte US and Canada, the Hollinger Corp.,
     which is a direct outgrowth of the Brit. Special Operations Exec.
     (its dysgusting board includes, Kissinger, Thatcher, Zbiggy,
     Conrad Black etc.)
             you should not rely on the perview of Agee or Stockwell,
     from within the bowels of the "Grand Wurlitzer," as
     to its actual "org chart" -- as they are extruded with some force!

     --The End of History!
     http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm
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Dear Friends and Colleagues:

Greetings!  It is time again to send this invitation inviting articles for
the next issue of The International Journal of Humanities and Peace (IJHP),
Vol. 16, No. 1.  You may view the journal at:
http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/ijhp1.html

IJHP is a journal dedicated to "Peace Through Development".

IJHP is indexed on the "Uncover" database, the United Nations database, and
will be (shortly)  indexed on the H.W.Wilson Database--in the Humanties
Index.

The general topic for this issue is:  "The Culture of Peace".

Your article may consist of 800 or 1,600 or 2,400 words--and submitted as
3 hard copies, a floppy disk (formatted for ClarisWorks/Appleworks if
possible), (email attachment or email plain text preferred)   a black and
white photo of yourself (not required) and a short paragraph of your
bio-data. Deadline for submission is 30 April 1999.

Please send 2 hard copies to me (Vasant Merchant), and 1 hard copy, and
floppy disk, or email with attachment or email plain text to:

Dr. Mark Siegmund, Assoc. Editor
HC2 Box 434H2
4800 Parker Rd.
Twentynine Palms, CA  92277
Tel/Fax:  (760) 361-1780
email:  siegmund@thegrid.net

Please send us your Tel/Fax number, email  and physical address.  Authors
will receive a free copy of the journal issue containing their article.

May I hear from you?

Thanking you, with kindest regards and best wishes for the New Year.

I remain,
Cordially yours,



Vasant V. Merchant, Ph.D., LL.B.
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Mark, would this article be within the scope of IJHP's "Peace Through
Development" issue?

Global Food and Energy Service:
http://www.webpak.net/~mnuess/teleologicssubdir/gfes.html

Cordially, Mike Nuess



Mark Siegmund wrote:

> Dear Friends and Colleagues:
>
> Greetings!  It is time again to send this invitation inviting articles for
> the next issue of The International Journal of Humanities and Peace (IJHP),
> Vol. 16, No. 1.  You may view the journal at:
> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/ijhp1.html
>
> IJHP is a journal dedicated to "Peace Through Development".
>
> IJHP is indexed on the "Uncover" database, the United Nations database, and
> will be (shortly)  indexed on the H.W.Wilson Database--in the Humanties
> Index.
>
> The general topic for this issue is:  "The Culture of Peace".
>
> Your article may consist of 800 or 1,600 or 2,400 words--and submitted as
> 3 hard copies, a floppy disk (formatted for ClarisWorks/Appleworks if
> possible), (email attachment or email plain text preferred)   a black and
> white photo of yourself (not required) and a short paragraph of your
> bio-data. Deadline for submission is 30 April 1999.
>
> Please send 2 hard copies to me (Vasant Merchant), and 1 hard copy, and
> floppy disk, or email with attachment or email plain text to:
>
> Dr. Mark Siegmund, Assoc. Editor
> HC2 Box 434H2
> 4800 Parker Rd.
> Twentynine Palms, CA  92277
> Tel/Fax:  (760) 361-1780
> email:  siegmund@thegrid.net
>
> Please send us your Tel/Fax number, email  and physical address.  Authors
> will receive a free copy of the journal issue containing their article.
>
> May I hear from you?
>
> Thanking you, with kindest regards and best wishes for the New Year.
>
> I remain,
> Cordially yours,
>
> Vasant V. Merchant, Ph.D., LL.B.
> Editor
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Dear Mike,

Yes indeed it would certainly be within our scope--however the article is by
a newspaper reporter--we'd need something orginal.

Please let me know.

Thanks,
Mark

> From: Mike Nuess <mnuess@MICRON.NET>
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> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> Subject: Re: Journal article invitation!
>
> Mark, would this article be within the scope of IJHP's "Peace Through
> Development" issue?
>
> Global Food and Energy Service:
> http://www.webpak.net/~mnuess/teleologicssubdir/gfes.html
>
> Cordially, Mike Nuess
>
>
>
> Mark Siegmund wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends and Colleagues:
>>
>> Greetings!  It is time again to send this invitation inviting articles for
>> the next issue of The International Journal of Humanities and Peace (IJHP),
>> Vol. 16, No. 1.  You may view the journal at:
>> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/ijhp1.html
>>
>> IJHP is a journal dedicated to "Peace Through Development".
>>
>> IJHP is indexed on the "Uncover" database, the United Nations database, and
>> will be (shortly)  indexed on the H.W.Wilson Database--in the Humanties
>> Index.
>>
>> The general topic for this issue is:  "The Culture of Peace".
>>
>> Your article may consist of 800 or 1,600 or 2,400 words--and submitted as
>> 3 hard copies, a floppy disk (formatted for ClarisWorks/Appleworks if
>> possible), (email attachment or email plain text preferred)   a black and
>> white photo of yourself (not required) and a short paragraph of your
>> bio-data. Deadline for submission is 30 April 1999.
>>
>> Please send 2 hard copies to me (Vasant Merchant), and 1 hard copy, and
>> floppy disk, or email with attachment or email plain text to:
>>
>> Dr. Mark Siegmund, Assoc. Editor
>> HC2 Box 434H2
>> 4800 Parker Rd.
>> Twentynine Palms, CA  92277
>> Tel/Fax:  (760) 361-1780
>> email:  siegmund@thegrid.net
>>
>> Please send us your Tel/Fax number, email  and physical address.  Authors
>> will receive a free copy of the journal issue containing their article.
>>
>> May I hear from you?
>>
>> Thanking you, with kindest regards and best wishes for the New Year.
>>
>> I remain,
>> Cordially yours,
>>
>> Vasant V. Merchant, Ph.D., LL.B.
>> Editor
>
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Mark,

The article is deliberately fiction, written by me. None of the names are real.
It's framed as a 'scene we would like to have seen'.

Mark Siegmund wrote:

> Dear Mike,
>
> Yes indeed it would certainly be within our scope--however the article is by
> a newspaper reporter--we'd need something orginal.
>
> Please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> > From: Mike Nuess <mnuess@MICRON.NET>
> > Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's
> > works"<GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:55:15 +0000
> > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Journal article invitation!
> >
> > Mark, would this article be within the scope of IJHP's "Peace Through
> > Development" issue?
> >
> > Global Food and Energy Service:
> > http://www.webpak.net/~mnuess/teleologicssubdir/gfes.html
> >
> > Cordially, Mike Nuess
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Siegmund wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Friends and Colleagues:
> >>
> >> Greetings!  It is time again to send this invitation inviting articles for
> >> the next issue of The International Journal of Humanities and Peace (IJHP),
> >> Vol. 16, No. 1.  You may view the journal at:
> >> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/ijhp1.html
> >>
> >> IJHP is a journal dedicated to "Peace Through Development".
> >>
> >> IJHP is indexed on the "Uncover" database, the United Nations database, and
> >> will be (shortly)  indexed on the H.W.Wilson Database--in the Humanties
> >> Index.
> >>
> >> The general topic for this issue is:  "The Culture of Peace".
> >>
> >> Your article may consist of 800 or 1,600 or 2,400 words--and submitted as
> >> 3 hard copies, a floppy disk (formatted for ClarisWorks/Appleworks if
> >> possible), (email attachment or email plain text preferred)   a black and
> >> white photo of yourself (not required) and a short paragraph of your
> >> bio-data. Deadline for submission is 30 April 1999.
> >>
> >> Please send 2 hard copies to me (Vasant Merchant), and 1 hard copy, and
> >> floppy disk, or email with attachment or email plain text to:
> >>
> >> Dr. Mark Siegmund, Assoc. Editor
> >> HC2 Box 434H2
> >> 4800 Parker Rd.
> >> Twentynine Palms, CA  92277
> >> Tel/Fax:  (760) 361-1780
> >> email:  siegmund@thegrid.net
> >>
> >> Please send us your Tel/Fax number, email  and physical address.  Authors
> >> will receive a free copy of the journal issue containing their article.
> >>
> >> May I hear from you?
> >>
> >> Thanking you, with kindest regards and best wishes for the New Year.
> >>
> >> I remain,
> >> Cordially yours,
> >>
> >> Vasant V. Merchant, Ph.D., LL.B.
> >> Editor
> >
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Mike--good to know--thanks.

Also, what is the origin and meaning of the "futuristic" pictures at the
site?

Mark

> From: Mike Nuess <mnuess@MICRON.NET>
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> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> Subject: Re: Journal article invitation!
>
> Mark,
>
> The article is deliberately fiction, written by me. None of the names are
> real.
> It's framed as a 'scene we would like to have seen'.
>
> Mark Siegmund wrote:
>
>> Dear Mike,
>>
>> Yes indeed it would certainly be within our scope--however the article is by
>> a newspaper reporter--we'd need something orginal.
>>
>> Please let me know.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>>
>>> From: Mike Nuess <mnuess@MICRON.NET>
>>> Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's
>>> works"<GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
>>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:55:15 +0000
>>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: Journal article invitation!
>>>
>>> Mark, would this article be within the scope of IJHP's "Peace Through
>>> Development" issue?
>>>
>>> Global Food and Energy Service:
>>> http://www.webpak.net/~mnuess/teleologicssubdir/gfes.html
>>>
>>> Cordially, Mike Nuess
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Siegmund wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues:
>>>>
>>>> Greetings!  It is time again to send this invitation inviting articles for
>>>> the next issue of The International Journal of Humanities and Peace (IJHP),
>>>> Vol. 16, No. 1.  You may view the journal at:
>>>> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/ijhp1.html
>>>>
>>>> IJHP is a journal dedicated to "Peace Through Development".
>>>>
>>>> IJHP is indexed on the "Uncover" database, the United Nations database, and
>>>> will be (shortly)  indexed on the H.W.Wilson Database--in the Humanties
>>>> Index.
>>>>
>>>> The general topic for this issue is:  "The Culture of Peace".
>>>>
>>>> Your article may consist of 800 or 1,600 or 2,400 words--and submitted as
>>>> 3 hard copies, a floppy disk (formatted for ClarisWorks/Appleworks if
>>>> possible), (email attachment or email plain text preferred)   a black and
>>>> white photo of yourself (not required) and a short paragraph of your
>>>> bio-data. Deadline for submission is 30 April 1999.
>>>>
>>>> Please send 2 hard copies to me (Vasant Merchant), and 1 hard copy, and
>>>> floppy disk, or email with attachment or email plain text to:
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Mark Siegmund, Assoc. Editor
>>>> HC2 Box 434H2
>>>> 4800 Parker Rd.
>>>> Twentynine Palms, CA  92277
>>>> Tel/Fax:  (760) 361-1780
>>>> email:  siegmund@thegrid.net
>>>>
>>>> Please send us your Tel/Fax number, email  and physical address.  Authors
>>>> will receive a free copy of the journal issue containing their article.
>>>>
>>>> May I hear from you?
>>>>
>>>> Thanking you, with kindest regards and best wishes for the New Year.
>>>>
>>>> I remain,
>>>> Cordially yours,
>>>>
>>>> Vasant V. Merchant, Ph.D., LL.B.
>>>> Editor
>>>
>
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Lee,

Thanks for the link!

When Fuller referred to "rigid" or "deresonated" tensegrities he meant a
special case for tensegrity domes when the diameter is increased to the
point where the struts just touch.  At that point the struts can be
connected to each other and the tension lines removed.  The tension &
compression forces are now invisibly contained within the struts.  See:

http://www.bfi.org/slideshtml/imag0019a.htm (overview) and
http://www.bfi.org/slideshtml/imag0020a.htm (closeup of BF & dome)

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> Here's an addition for your references to rigid tensegrities:
>
>
> http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/prospect/prospect.htm
> A Technology for Designing Tensegrity Domes and Spheres
> Robert Burkhardt
> Tensegrity Solutions
> Box 426164
> Cambridge, MA 02142-0021
> USA
> bobwb@juno.com
>
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Julie,

I have absolutely NO idea what company may have the capability to build such
a structure!  One has never been built before, even though it is apparently
technically (& economically?) feasible.  I suppose NASA could do it --if
they wanted to.

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Martineau" <julie.martineau@mailcity.com>
To: "Joe S Moore" <joemoore@cruzio.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Cloud structures


> Thanks for your references about the flying spheres. Who do you think (a
company or an engineer) might be able to build such a structure that could
transport living and natural organisms and environments (a bit like in the
movie "Silent Running"). Really, I'm wondering.
> I appreciate your expertise.
> Julie Martineau
>
> --
>
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:47:33   Joe S Moore wrote:
> >Julie,
> >
> >Go to the bottom of the home page of my website & search for the word
> >"cloud"; you should find about a dozen references.  Super-large geodesic
> >domes can ONLY be designed using tensegrity technology; so search using
the
> >word "tensegrity" also.
> >
> >Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> >Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Julie Martineau" <julie.martineau@mailcity.com>
> >Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> >To: <GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> >Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 9:42 AM
> >Subject: Cloud structures
> >
> >
> >> Please,
> >>
> >> Can you provide me any informations about those flying spheres
Buckminster
> >Fuller have conceived in the 60's in collaboration with Sadao?
> >>
> >> It would be very much appreciated.
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Julie Martineau
> >>
> >>
> >> LYCOShop is now open. On your mark, get set, SHOP!!!
> >> http://shop.lycos.com/
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> LYCOShop. Thousands of products!  One location!
> http://shop.lycos.com/
>
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Subject:      Re: [Q-P] political process

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   26-JAN-2000 11:13
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 that's correct, and the now-standing (esp.since November's ruling
 by the infamous 3-judge panel of Sentelle) policy
 of the DNC is illegal under the Voting Rights Act of'65.
    to wit, although the DNC will deny this or claim ignorance,
 the judges let-stand Keeney, Jr's argument,
 which centered on the putative unconstitutionality of the Act, because
 of 3 of the Supreme Court Justices' prior opinions;
 you can guess, which 3.

 if Democrats allow this to be done, it will explode in the hands
 of the Bush thugs, with other elements of the Gore resume.  and,
 with the destruction of Glass-Steagall ('32) and Bank Holding Co.
 ('56) Acts, the resultant slushfunds will make any truisms
 about the monolithic aspect of the two-party system,
 look like Freemasonic oaths broken only upon pain
 of (political?) death.

 thus quoth:
  process. The major determinent of the rules for presidential nomination
  are the rules of the national political party which control who is
  recognized as a delegate to the nominating convention. Note that is true

 --The End Was Nigh!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   26-JAN-2000 11:32
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 what are the externalities?
    taking the worst case,
 "Chernobyl, 10YA" [*] shows how even such a dysaster had very little
 in the way of actual medical (etc.) "externality," other
 than an incredible ration of psychic trauma that was wrought
 by an incendiary, enviromaniac press (mostly upon denizens
 of Chernobyl, esp.after the initial suppression of any response
 by the KGB).  after that,
 TMI becomes an exercise in bad joking.
    enjoyed your dyscussion of deisel technology; now,
 who is going to be heading the Department of Fossilizing Fuels ?!?

 --
 * see *Exec.Intell.Rev.* of the proper year;
 I almost gave a copy to Caldicott, speaking at the local episcopagan
 church, but i stopped & just got her address in Northampton, NY.

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm

 thus quoth:
  "externalities" like Three Mile Island and Chernobyl should be taken into
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   26-JAN-2000 11:47
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 mister Shindell's model may have some merit, as it is true that
 the "precessional" effect of west-to-east winds is crossways
 to the greater N-S differential of temperature.  however,
 the primary effect of burning "fossilized" fuels within cities is, a)
 more eneergy radiated from the cities directly,
 where most of the thermometers are located, and b)
 more vapor of combustion, increasing relative humidity, as well
 as the glasshouse effect therefrom.  unfortunately,
 these "urban heat-sland" effects are seldom mentioned,
 relative to the passive ones involving cement & tarmac!
    finally, most of the putative reductions of snowfall etc.
 are regional differences that one'd expect, given any shift
 of climate, including the normative one of a new, intimate ice age.

 thus quoth:
                  "If you increase the temperature difference between the
  lower latitudes and the polar regions, then you increase the speed of those
  winds, and that's what the greenhouse gases seem to be doing."

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm
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> >From: "Julie Martineau" <julie.martineau@mailcity.com>
> >> Can you provide me any informations about those flying spheres
> >> Buckminster
> >> Fuller have conceived in the 60's in collaboration with Sadao?

> I have absolutely NO idea what company may have the capability to
> build such
> a structure!  One has never been built before, even though it is
> apparently
> technically (& economically?) feasible.  I suppose NASA could do it
> --if they wanted to.

Joe -- the Milennial dome is 1/2 mile in diameter, if memory serves.
It's a tensile membrane, and completely stable.  In its literature, it
states that the air within the dome weighs more than the structure.
Sound familiar?

What if someone took this dome, and duplicated it on the bottom.
We'd have a flying saucer shape, of sufficient size to be self buoyant.
There's nothing that says they *have* to be spherical, just that it
would be the most efficient shape.

If I'm correct, then it'd be "trivial" for any membrane design company,
for example BirdAir, to design such a structure.  We now have a
precedent for megastructures, in the Milennial dome.  It's possible,
and practical to build them on this scale.

     -- Chuck Knight
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Tempcore.

Joe S Moore wrote:

> Julie,
>
> I have absolutely NO idea what company may have the capability to build such
> a structure!  One has never been built before, even though it is apparently
> technically (& economically?) feasible.  I suppose NASA could do it --if
> they wanted to.
>
> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Martineau" <julie.martineau@mailcity.com>
> To: "Joe S Moore" <joemoore@cruzio.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Cloud structures
>
> > Thanks for your references about the flying spheres. Who do you think (a
> company or an engineer) might be able to build such a structure that could
> transport living and natural organisms and environments (a bit like in the
> movie "Silent Running"). Really, I'm wondering.
> > I appreciate your expertise.
> > Julie Martineau
> >
> > --
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:47:33   Joe S Moore wrote:
> > >Julie,
> > >
> > >Go to the bottom of the home page of my website & search for the word
> > >"cloud"; you should find about a dozen references.  Super-large geodesic
> > >domes can ONLY be designed using tensegrity technology; so search using
> the
> > >word "tensegrity" also.
> > >
> > >Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> > >Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Julie Martineau" <julie.martineau@mailcity.com>
> > >Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> > >To: <GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> > >Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 9:42 AM
> > >Subject: Cloud structures
> > >
> > >
> > >> Please,
> > >>
> > >> Can you provide me any informations about those flying spheres
> Buckminster
> > >Fuller have conceived in the 60's in collaboration with Sadao?
> > >>
> > >> It would be very much appreciated.
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Julie Martineau
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> LYCOShop is now open. On your mark, get set, SHOP!!!
> > >> http://shop.lycos.com/
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > LYCOShop. Thousands of products!  One location!
> > http://shop.lycos.com/
> >
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The temcore dome in Long Beach is the lightest largest structure in the
world volume wise,
this is what bucky told me.
Temcore is looking for people to work with them now I saw it in the paper
last week.

Charles J Knight wrote:

> > >From: "Julie Martineau" <julie.martineau@mailcity.com>
> > >> Can you provide me any informations about those flying spheres
> > >> Buckminster
> > >> Fuller have conceived in the 60's in collaboration with Sadao?
>
> > I have absolutely NO idea what company may have the capability to
> > build such
> > a structure!  One has never been built before, even though it is
> > apparently
> > technically (& economically?) feasible.  I suppose NASA could do it
> > --if they wanted to.
>
> Joe -- the Milennial dome is 1/2 mile in diameter, if memory serves.
> It's a tensile membrane, and completely stable.  In its literature, it
> states that the air within the dome weighs more than the structure.
> Sound familiar?
>
> What if someone took this dome, and duplicated it on the bottom.
> We'd have a flying saucer shape, of sufficient size to be self buoyant.
> There's nothing that says they *have* to be spherical, just that it
> would be the most efficient shape.
>
> If I'm correct, then it'd be "trivial" for any membrane design company,
> for example BirdAir, to design such a structure.  We now have a
> precedent for megastructures, in the Milennial dome.  It's possible,
> and practical to build them on this scale.
>
>      -- Chuck Knight
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> The temcore dome in Long Beach is the lightest largest structure in
> the
> world volume wise,
> this is what bucky told me.

What is its size?  The Milennial dome, I thought, is the world's largest
structure now.  Of course, it wasn't around before Bucky transfigured.
:-)

     -- Chuck Knight
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      26-JAN-2000 14:01
                 r007883@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 the Millennium Dome looks like a Royal What?

 --The Permian Basin Gang!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm
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For info re the Spruce Goose dome see the Master Index/Domes/Hangars/   :

http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-H.htm

BTW, the Millennium dome is not "geodesic".

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> > The temcore dome in Long Beach is the lightest largest structure in
> > the world volume wise, this is what bucky told me.
>
> What is its size?  The Milennial dome, I thought, is the world's largest
> structure now.  Of course, it wasn't around before Bucky transfigured.
> :-)
>
>      -- Chuck Knight
>
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Mark,

If you're referring to the GFES article's picture, the image is a compilation of
different photos that I blended together to create the scene of 3 tensegrity
spheres in route to Kosovo. The view is taken from the 3rd sphere, as the crew
views a camera image displaying on the viewing 'table' monitor.  I developed the
tensegrity spheres from an image of the Primary and Secondary Great Circle Sets of
the Vector Equilibrium, which I scanned from Synergetics2, see page 328. I did not
take the time to scale correctly the relative sizes of the moon, earth, and
tensegrity spheres.  I just wanted to relate the concept.  The fictitious story was
actually developed as a tool for explaining the image, and hopefully relates what
is only my interpretation of RBF's concepts around the technically feaasible
tensegrity spheres and their appropriate use for speeding the transition to peace.

(Actually, if you do choose to use this article, this explanatory paragragph I'm
now sending you may make a good intro to the story. It helps to orient the reader,
making the story less mysterious at the start. It also credits the one external
source I used.)

Mike



Mark Siegmund wrote:

> Mike--good to know--thanks.
>
> Also, what is the origin and meaning of the "futuristic" pictures at the
> site?
>
> Mark
>
> > From: Mike Nuess <mnuess@MICRON.NET>
> > Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's
> > works"<GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:21:52 +0000
> > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Journal article invitation!
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > The article is deliberately fiction, written by me. None of the names are
> > real.
> > It's framed as a 'scene we would like to have seen'.
> >
> > Mark Siegmund wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Mike,
> >>
> >> Yes indeed it would certainly be within our scope--however the article is by
> >> a newspaper reporter--we'd need something orginal.
> >>
> >> Please let me know.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>> From: Mike Nuess <mnuess@MICRON.NET>
> >>> Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's
> >>> works"<GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> >>> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:55:15 +0000
> >>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> >>> Subject: Re: Journal article invitation!
> >>>
> >>> Mark, would this article be within the scope of IJHP's "Peace Through
> >>> Development" issue?
> >>>
> >>> Global Food and Energy Service:
> >>> http://www.webpak.net/~mnuess/teleologicssubdir/gfes.html
> >>>
> >>> Cordially, Mike Nuess
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mark Siegmund wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues:
> >>>>
> >>>> Greetings!  It is time again to send this invitation inviting articles for
> >>>> the next issue of The International Journal of Humanities and Peace (IJHP),
> >>>> Vol. 16, No. 1.  You may view the journal at:
> >>>> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/ijhp1.html
> >>>>
> >>>> IJHP is a journal dedicated to "Peace Through Development".
> >>>>
> >>>> IJHP is indexed on the "Uncover" database, the United Nations database, and
> >>>> will be (shortly)  indexed on the H.W.Wilson Database--in the Humanties
> >>>> Index.
> >>>>
> >>>> The general topic for this issue is:  "The Culture of Peace".
> >>>>
> >>>> Your article may consist of 800 or 1,600 or 2,400 words--and submitted as
> >>>> 3 hard copies, a floppy disk (formatted for ClarisWorks/Appleworks if
> >>>> possible), (email attachment or email plain text preferred)   a black and
> >>>> white photo of yourself (not required) and a short paragraph of your
> >>>> bio-data. Deadline for submission is 30 April 1999.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please send 2 hard copies to me (Vasant Merchant), and 1 hard copy, and
> >>>> floppy disk, or email with attachment or email plain text to:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dr. Mark Siegmund, Assoc. Editor
> >>>> HC2 Box 434H2
> >>>> 4800 Parker Rd.
> >>>> Twentynine Palms, CA  92277
> >>>> Tel/Fax:  (760) 361-1780
> >>>> email:  siegmund@thegrid.net
> >>>>
> >>>> Please send us your Tel/Fax number, email  and physical address.  Authors
> >>>> will receive a free copy of the journal issue containing their article.
> >>>>
> >>>> May I hear from you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanking you, with kindest regards and best wishes for the New Year.
> >>>>
> >>>> I remain,
> >>>> Cordially yours,
> >>>>
> >>>> Vasant V. Merchant, Ph.D., LL.B.
> >>>> Editor
> >>>
> >
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> For info re the Spruce Goose dome see the Master Index/Domes/Hangars/

I know -- it's ugly, it's entire premise is ridiculously stupid and
wasteful,
and its proposed useful life (1 year) is beyond irresponsible.  But, all
that aside, it's a marvel of engineering.  A single structure, spanning
an area 1/2 mile in diameter...it boggles the mind.  It's the first true
megastructure that I'm aware of -- it's also the only precedent for the
cloud 9 type structures that we've got, despite the fact that it's not
geodesic.

     -- Chuck Knight
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Brian,

If a person wants a dome home that can't BURN, ROT, or be EATEN by bugs,
then I currently know of only one company in the world that makes such a
dome kit. See American Ingenuity in Florida:
http://www.aidomes.com

Now, a dome home could be made of steel 2 x 4's, but, as far as I know as of
right now, no one in the world makes one.  Why not?  I don't know.

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

"Brian Brown" <runner@loop.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hi,
>
> I have been surfing the web regarding dome home construction.
> Good Karma advertises kits at what seem to be reasonable
> cost.  How do I turn a kit into a house?  They mention stucco.
> Will stucco work on all sides to prevent moisture penetration?
> What are the minimum additions to make it suitable for building
> codes in southern California?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Brown
> Los Angeles
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Temcor makes one with metal, Po. box 6256, Carson, Ca 90749
They are also looking for Designer Auto cad experience and 3D expertise
required.
The head of Temcor is the best dome man in the world that I know of
and a very good friend of bucky as well.  Very Savy! Class act.
I was designing a concrete dome with bucky for a while that would be put
on shelves that would vibrate to make the closes packing while the hardened
and being sprayed with a mist in a controlled room.  Ferro Cement. The
Cinerama Dome in Hollywood is the best one that I have ever seen.
Bucky designed it  himself.

I think a tile dome fired would be interesting, I worked on that idea for a
while.
If Temcore would make an Aluminum one that was small it would be great!
They only custom design large span architectural and industrial structures.
They have a web site.  =)


Joe S Moore wrote:

> Brian,
>
> If a person wants a dome home that can't BURN, ROT, or be EATEN by bugs,
> then I currently know of only one company in the world that makes such a
> dome kit. See American Ingenuity in Florida:
> http://www.aidomes.com
>
> Now, a dome home could be made of steel 2 x 4's, but, as far as I know as of
> right now, no one in the world makes one.  Why not?  I don't know.
>
> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
> "Brian Brown" <runner@loop.com> wrote in message
> news:38908829.4147FDE4@loop.com...
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been surfing the web regarding dome home construction.
> > Good Karma advertises kits at what seem to be reasonable
> > cost.  How do I turn a kit into a house?  They mention stucco.
> > Will stucco work on all sides to prevent moisture penetration?
> > What are the minimum additions to make it suitable for building
> > codes in southern California?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian Brown
> > Los Angeles
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The Houston dome was also bucky's idea with the tension ring around the center
etc.
For the astro domes.  They ask bucky to come and talk to them and he gave them

the idea for these and proved to them they would work.  They did not want to
pay
the patent fees. He helped them anyway.  He said he could have sued the disney

project for the dome but he did not. They got his friend to do it after having
him
tell them all about it and not pay him.  John Denver got Disney to do the
dome.
john Denver was a great fan of Bucky's and his songs of world game were
great and what one man can do. etc.  =)

Joe S Moore wrote:

> For info re the Spruce Goose dome see the Master Index/Domes/Hangars/   :
>
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-H.htm
>
> BTW, the Millennium dome is not "geodesic".
>
> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles J Knight" <c.knight@JUNO.COM>
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> To: <GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Cloud structures
>
> > > The temcore dome in Long Beach is the lightest largest structure in
> > > the world volume wise, this is what bucky told me.
> >
> > What is its size?  The Milennial dome, I thought, is the world's largest
> > structure now.  Of course, it wasn't around before Bucky transfigured.
> > :-)
> >
> >      -- Chuck Knight
> >
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> Temcor makes one with metal, Po. box 6256, Carson, Ca 90749

> If Temcore would make an Aluminum one that was small it would be
> great!
> They only custom design large span architectural and industrial
> structures.

Is Temcore the one that makes the "diamond panel" domes, like the
Casa Manana theater in the round in Fort Worth, TX?  (the closest
to me)

If so, it should be possible to use their design parameters to make
a large *or* small dome with relative ease.  How hard would it be to
build a dome with aluminum newspaper printing plates and a
wooden form or press for the shape?

It should be possible to build a 3F icosa with a single panel design,
and that would give more than enough room and even visual
interest to the resident.  And those sheets are incredibly cheap.

A higher frequency dome could be made with multiple panel
sizes -- also relatively easy, but not quite as foolproof.

I came up, a while back, with a foldable paper shape that approximates
a hypar -- somewhat similar to the Synergy Ball strut design, actually.
How could these panels be joined so that they don't leak.  As I have
heard that Temcore domes can't leak, it intrigues me.

Some sort of guttering system at the joints, perhaps?

     -- Chuck Knight
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Mike--excellent I'm going to find some way of putting the page in our
journal.

Mark

> From: Mike Nuess <mnuess@MICRON.NET>
> Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's
> works"<GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
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> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> Subject: Re: Journal article invitation!
>
> Mark,
>
> If you're referring to the GFES article's picture, the image is a compilation
> of
> different photos that I blended together to create the scene of 3 tensegrity
> spheres in route to Kosovo. The view is taken from the 3rd sphere, as the crew
> views a camera image displaying on the viewing 'table' monitor.  I developed
> the
> tensegrity spheres from an image of the Primary and Secondary Great Circle
> Sets of
> the Vector Equilibrium, which I scanned from Synergetics2, see page 328. I did
> not
> take the time to scale correctly the relative sizes of the moon, earth, and
> tensegrity spheres.  I just wanted to relate the concept.  The fictitious
> story was
> actually developed as a tool for explaining the image, and hopefully relates
> what
> is only my interpretation of RBF's concepts around the technically feaasible
> tensegrity spheres and their appropriate use for speeding the transition to
> peace.
>
> (Actually, if you do choose to use this article, this explanatory paragragph
> I'm
> now sending you may make a good intro to the story. It helps to orient the
> reader,
> making the story less mysterious at the start. It also credits the one
> external
> source I used.)
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Mark Siegmund wrote:
>
>> Mike--good to know--thanks.
>>
>> Also, what is the origin and meaning of the "futuristic" pictures at the
>> site?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>> From: Mike Nuess <mnuess@MICRON.NET>
>>> Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's
>>> works"<GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
>>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
>>> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:21:52 +0000
>>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: Journal article invitation!
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> The article is deliberately fiction, written by me. None of the names are
>>> real.
>>> It's framed as a 'scene we would like to have seen'.
>>>
>>> Mark Siegmund wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Mike,
>>>>
>>>> Yes indeed it would certainly be within our scope--however the article is
>>>> by
>>>> a newspaper reporter--we'd need something orginal.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>> From: Mike Nuess <mnuess@MICRON.NET>
>>>>> Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's
>>>>> works"<GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
>>>>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
>>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:55:15 +0000
>>>>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
>>>>> Subject: Re: Journal article invitation!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark, would this article be within the scope of IJHP's "Peace Through
>>>>> Development" issue?
>>>>>
>>>>> Global Food and Energy Service:
>>>>> http://www.webpak.net/~mnuess/teleologicssubdir/gfes.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Cordially, Mike Nuess
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Siegmund wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings!  It is time again to send this invitation inviting articles
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the next issue of The International Journal of Humanities and Peace
>>>>>> (IJHP),
>>>>>> Vol. 16, No. 1.  You may view the journal at:
>>>>>> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/ijhp1.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IJHP is a journal dedicated to "Peace Through Development".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IJHP is indexed on the "Uncover" database, the United Nations database,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> will be (shortly)  indexed on the H.W.Wilson Database--in the Humanties
>>>>>> Index.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The general topic for this issue is:  "The Culture of Peace".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your article may consist of 800 or 1,600 or 2,400 words--and submitted as
>>>>>> 3 hard copies, a floppy disk (formatted for ClarisWorks/Appleworks if
>>>>>> possible), (email attachment or email plain text preferred)   a black and
>>>>>> white photo of yourself (not required) and a short paragraph of your
>>>>>> bio-data. Deadline for submission is 30 April 1999.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please send 2 hard copies to me (Vasant Merchant), and 1 hard copy, and
>>>>>> floppy disk, or email with attachment or email plain text to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. Mark Siegmund, Assoc. Editor
>>>>>> HC2 Box 434H2
>>>>>> 4800 Parker Rd.
>>>>>> Twentynine Palms, CA  92277
>>>>>> Tel/Fax:  (760) 361-1780
>>>>>> email:  siegmund@thegrid.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please send us your Tel/Fax number, email  and physical address.  Authors
>>>>>> will receive a free copy of the journal issue containing their article.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May I hear from you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanking you, with kindest regards and best wishes for the New Year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remain,
>>>>>> Cordially yours,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vasant V. Merchant, Ph.D., LL.B.
>>>>>> Editor
>>>>>
>>>
>
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Chuck,

Yes, Temcor manufactured the Casa Manana dome.  See Index/Domes/Theaters
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-T.htm

Also, for info re Temcor, see Index/Domes/Manufacturers/Temcor
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/DomeManuf-T.htm

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> > Temcor makes one with metal, Po. box 6256, Carson, Ca 90749
>
> > If Temcore would make an Aluminum one that was small it would be
> > great!
> > They only custom design large span architectural and industrial
> > structures.
>
> Is Temcore the one that makes the "diamond panel" domes, like the
> Casa Manana theater in the round in Fort Worth, TX?  (the closest
> to me)
>
(snip)
>
>      -- Chuck Knight
>
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   28-JAN-2000  7:51
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 "the media" are constantly braying only "one side" of these issues,
 which happen to be yours (or a typically hegelian dialect
 between capitalism & nature), such as what you refer to
 as "global" warming, entirely a construct of GCMs --
 which actually have no connection to forecasting the weather,
 except for ad hoc inclusions of code (I presume).
    let me give you a local (Los Angeles) example of this:
 all of the media that I've heard & read (with no TV),
 present only the schoolboard's "side" of certain construction,
 or lack thereof, and never the parents' (or mine, although
 I have given plenty of testimony & handouts).  as it happens,
 the new majority on the Board was handpicked by the Mayor,
 who funded their camp[aigns.
    your side of "global" warming, or *the* side, is promoted
 by the Big Oil Cos., along with the Kypoto Protocols, and
 you must wonder, Why in Hell they'd do that?
    I could give a local example of *that*,
 in another of my adversaries whom I grilled for local elective office,
 at the Demo Club, but I won't.

 thus quoth:
          Their premise is that today's journalism is not suited to reporting
  the most important issues of the day: global warming, societal

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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Dear Brian,

I like the idea of steel 2 x 4's also, but, as far as I know, no one has
devised a way to connect them together.  Adapt existing commercially
available hubs?  Invent a new hub?  I've never seen any drawings.

As far as skinning such a dome, I would prefer a material that meets the
performance criteria mentioned before: ie, can't rot, burn, be eaten, etc.
There must be something out there that fills the bill.

Regarding the weight of a finished triangular panel, it varies depending on
the size of the dome.  For example, the panels of a 34' diam AI dome weigh
between 125-160 lbs each, according to the company's literature.  I don't
know how that compares to conventional (read "wood") triangular panels.

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

"Brian Brown" <runner@loop.com> wrote in message
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> Dear Joe,
>
> I saw the the web page you mention.  It looks good, but
> I don't readily feel comfortable having such heavy material
> looming over my head.
>
> Say I use steel 2X4.  I like that idea since they are very
> light weight. Is there a skin that can double as the actual
> exterior?  Or would plywood be the best choice?
>
> Brian
> Los Angeles
>
> Joe S Moore wrote:
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > If a person wants a dome home that can't BURN, ROT, or be EATEN by bugs,
> > then I currently know of only one company in the world that makes such a
> > dome kit. See American Ingenuity in Florida:
> > http://www.aidomes.com
> >
> > Now, a dome home could be made of steel 2 x 4's, but, as far as I know
as of
> > right now, no one in the world makes one.  Why not?  I don't know.
> >
> > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
> >
> > "Brian Brown" <runner@loop.com> wrote in message
> > news:38908829.4147FDE4@loop.com...
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Great!  Please let me know.  I took a quick look at Tetworld , and will come back
soon to look more.  --Mike

Mark Siegmund wrote:

> Mike--excellent I'm going to find some way of putting the page in our
> journal.
>
> Mark
>
> > From: Mike Nuess <mnuess@MICRON.NET>
> > Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's
> > works"<GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:15:52 +0000
> > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Journal article invitation!
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > If you're referring to the GFES article's picture, the image is a compilation
> > of
> > different photos that I blended together to create the scene of 3 tensegrity
> > spheres in route to Kosovo. The view is taken from the 3rd sphere, as the crew
> > views a camera image displaying on the viewing 'table' monitor.  I developed
> > the
> > tensegrity spheres from an image of the Primary and Secondary Great Circle
> > Sets of
> > the Vector Equilibrium, which I scanned from Synergetics2, see page 328. I did
> > not
> > take the time to scale correctly the relative sizes of the moon, earth, and
> > tensegrity spheres.  I just wanted to relate the concept.  The fictitious
> > story was
> > actually developed as a tool for explaining the image, and hopefully relates
> > what
> > is only my interpretation of RBF's concepts around the technically feaasible
> > tensegrity spheres and their appropriate use for speeding the transition to
> > peace.
> >
> > (Actually, if you do choose to use this article, this explanatory paragragph
> > I'm
> > now sending you may make a good intro to the story. It helps to orient the
> > reader,
> > making the story less mysterious at the start. It also credits the one
> > external
> > source I used.)
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Siegmund wrote:
> >
> >> Mike--good to know--thanks.
> >>
> >> Also, what is the origin and meaning of the "futuristic" pictures at the
> >> site?
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>> From: Mike Nuess <mnuess@MICRON.NET>
> >>> Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's
> >>> works"<GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> >>> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:21:52 +0000
> >>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> >>> Subject: Re: Journal article invitation!
> >>>
> >>> Mark,
> >>>
> >>> The article is deliberately fiction, written by me. None of the names are
> >>> real.
> >>> It's framed as a 'scene we would like to have seen'.
> >>>
> >>> Mark Siegmund wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Mike,
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes indeed it would certainly be within our scope--however the article is
> >>>> by
> >>>> a newspaper reporter--we'd need something orginal.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please let me know.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Mike Nuess <mnuess@MICRON.NET>
> >>>>> Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's
> >>>>> works"<GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> >>>>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:55:15 +0000
> >>>>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Journal article invitation!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mark, would this article be within the scope of IJHP's "Peace Through
> >>>>> Development" issue?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Global Food and Energy Service:
> >>>>> http://www.webpak.net/~mnuess/teleologicssubdir/gfes.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cordially, Mike Nuess
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mark Siegmund wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Greetings!  It is time again to send this invitation inviting articles
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> the next issue of The International Journal of Humanities and Peace
> >>>>>> (IJHP),
> >>>>>> Vol. 16, No. 1.  You may view the journal at:
> >>>>>> http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/ijhp1.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> IJHP is a journal dedicated to "Peace Through Development".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> IJHP is indexed on the "Uncover" database, the United Nations database,
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> will be (shortly)  indexed on the H.W.Wilson Database--in the Humanties
> >>>>>> Index.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The general topic for this issue is:  "The Culture of Peace".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your article may consist of 800 or 1,600 or 2,400 words--and submitted as
> >>>>>> 3 hard copies, a floppy disk (formatted for ClarisWorks/Appleworks if
> >>>>>> possible), (email attachment or email plain text preferred)   a black and
> >>>>>> white photo of yourself (not required) and a short paragraph of your
> >>>>>> bio-data. Deadline for submission is 30 April 1999.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please send 2 hard copies to me (Vasant Merchant), and 1 hard copy, and
> >>>>>> floppy disk, or email with attachment or email plain text to:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dr. Mark Siegmund, Assoc. Editor
> >>>>>> HC2 Box 434H2
> >>>>>> 4800 Parker Rd.
> >>>>>> Twentynine Palms, CA  92277
> >>>>>> Tel/Fax:  (760) 361-1780
> >>>>>> email:  siegmund@thegrid.net
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please send us your Tel/Fax number, email  and physical address.  Authors
> >>>>>> will receive a free copy of the journal issue containing their article.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> May I hear from you?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanking you, with kindest regards and best wishes for the New Year.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I remain,
> >>>>>> Cordially yours,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Vasant V. Merchant, Ph.D., LL.B.
> >>>>>> Editor
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> >>>
> >
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Rubber T'S that fit between the edges I have always thought, but the sun
will do some damage.
Weld it!
Charles J Knight wrote:

> > Temcor makes one with metal, Po. box 6256, Carson, Ca 90749
>
> > If Temcore would make an Aluminum one that was small it would be
> > great!
> > They only custom design large span architectural and industrial
> > structures.
>
> Is Temcore the one that makes the "diamond panel" domes, like the
> Casa Manana theater in the round in Fort Worth, TX?  (the closest
> to me)
>
> If so, it should be possible to use their design parameters to make
> a large *or* small dome with relative ease.  How hard would it be to
> build a dome with aluminum newspaper printing plates and a
> wooden form or press for the shape?
>
> It should be possible to build a 3F icosa with a single panel design,
> and that would give more than enough room and even visual
> interest to the resident.  And those sheets are incredibly cheap.
>
> A higher frequency dome could be made with multiple panel
> sizes -- also relatively easy, but not quite as foolproof.
>
> I came up, a while back, with a foldable paper shape that approximates
> a hypar -- somewhat similar to the Synergy Ball strut design, actually.
> How could these panels be joined so that they don't leak.  As I have
> heard that Temcore domes can't leak, it intrigues me.
>
> Some sort of guttering system at the joints, perhaps?
>
>      -- Chuck Knight
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Good God man -, " your smart.!!!"                               =)

Brian Hutchings wrote:

> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   28-JAN-2000  7:51
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  "the media" are constantly "one side"  issues,
>  happen  typically
>  between capitalism & nature), what you refer to
>  as  warming, entirely a construct
> connection to forecasting
>  inclusions of code (I presume).
>  example of this:
> on struction,
>  (or mine, although
> of testimony & handouts).  as it happens,
>  the new majority on the Board was handpicked by the Mayor,
>  who funded their camp[aigns.
>     your side of "global" warming, or *the* side, is promoted

> along with the Kypoto Protocols, and
>  you must wonder, Why in Hell they'd do that?
>    *that*,  adversaries whom I grilled for
> the Demo t.
>
>  thus quoth:
>           Their premise is that today's journalism is not suited to reporting
>  issues of the day: --The Duke
>  http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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Joe I love your globes dancing around!!!! great site!!!!

Joe S Moore wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> Yes, Temcor manufactured the Casa Manana dome.  See Index/Domes/Theaters
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-T.htm
>
> Also, for info re Temcor, see Index/Domes/Manufacturers/Temcor
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/DomeManuf-T.htm
>
> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles J Knight" <c.knight@JUNO.COM>
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic
> To: <GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 6:41 PM
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>
> > > Temcor makes one with metal, Po. box 6256, Carson, Ca 90749
> >
> > > If Temcore would make an Aluminum one that was small it would be
> > > great!
> > > They only custom design large span architectural and industrial
> > > structures.
> >
> > Is Temcore the one that makes the "diamond panel" domes, like the
> > Casa Manana theater in the round in Fort Worth, TX?  (the closest
> > to me)
> >
> (snip)
> >
> >      -- Chuck Knight
> >
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The most economical is wood, low cost, but insurance is a must anyway mite as
well have
it on a home that will burn if your not in it and the cost is the same as
lumber, at about
20 dollars a triangle not including the 2 x 4;s.
The aluminum one that is welded in place would be good but will melt.
In California the fire storms are so that I helped build a cement with iron
struts
about 45 foot in Malibu in 1989 and in the Malibu fire it melted the
iron struts that were 4 inches think and the floors through the concrete caught
fire. So mite as well make it wood because a good fire will really
not stop a good fire. And it cost pennies to make it from wood and they
grow back.  This has been my main beef with Jay Baldwin that he hates wood domes

and tells everyone that his pillow dome doesn't leak in his book. This is BS and

Small talk to me. The dome I had of bucky and Anne's was the greatest
sculpture to live in and a treat to be in the summer for it opened out as if
it was all outside as well as inside one place with the privacy of the great
fence that
bucky designed.  I sold it to Bill Perk to be made into a historical property
and a
park. He now claims in the trim tab he does not know what he will do with it
inwhich he brow beat me for years to make it into a park and I hope he
does not go back on his word.  If you hate fires just build a block fence around

the whole home 8 feet high and clear all vegetation for 15 feet from it and
you will be safe unless you smoke.  It will not leak if you have any know how at
all
to keep it up. Bucky would fly off around the world for months and be there
about 3 weeks a year some times and the roof would get a leak in it and when I
got it it was easy to fix, but once the word got out that one leak was in it
over the
door hang which was true with any home, then all domes were leak factories and
the pillow dome was the new great Fuller project. If you use black tar to fix
leaks the
sun cracks it in 3 months, if you use sliver the sun reflects and it is great
for a year.
Now we have West System epoxy and can make wood absolutely water resistant.
This was not around in the 60's when it was built.

see my pictures on my old site, I am trying to get new stuff but am to busy for
now in
school.    =)  Joe your site should be a historical site. I guess it already
is.!? Thanks for the effort.
I go there all the time to search for ideas. How many books are on line now.
Amy's, Sonny's, Who else?

http://home.earthlink.net/~syntrivity/index.html

Joe S Moore wrote:

> Dear Brian,
>
> I like the idea of steel 2 x 4's also, but, as far as I know, no one has
> devised a way to connect them together.  Adapt existing commercially
> available hubs?  Invent a new hub?  I've never seen any drawings.
>
> As far as skinning such a dome, I would prefer a material that meets the
> performance criteria mentioned before: ie, can't rot, burn, be eaten, etc.
> There must be something out there that fills the bill.
>
> Regarding the weight of a finished triangular panel, it varies depending on
> the size of the dome.  For example, the panels of a 34' diam AI dome weigh
> between 125-160 lbs each, according to the company's literature.  I don't
> know how that compares to conventional (read "wood") triangular panels.
>
> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
> "Brian Brown" <runner@loop.com> wrote in message
> news:3890E9FB.D747D48D@loop.com...
> > Dear Joe,
> >
> > I saw the the web page you mention.  It looks good, but
> > I don't readily feel comfortable having such heavy material
> > looming over my head.
> >
> > Say I use steel 2X4.  I like that idea since they are very
> > light weight. Is there a skin that can double as the actual
> > exterior?  Or would plywood be the best choice?
> >
> > Brian
> > Los Angeles
> >
> > Joe S Moore wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian,
> > >
> > > If a person wants a dome home that can't BURN, ROT, or be EATEN by bugs,
> > > then I currently know of only one company in the world that makes such a
> > > dome kit. See American Ingenuity in Florida:
> > > http://www.aidomes.com
> > >
> > > Now, a dome home could be made of steel 2 x 4's, but, as far as I know
> as of
> > > right now, no one in the world makes one.  Why not?  I don't know.
> > >
> > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
> > >
> > > "Brian Brown" <runner@loop.com> wrote in message
> > > news:38908829.4147FDE4@loop.com...
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> Rubber T'S that fit between the edges I have always thought, but the
> sun
> will do some damage.

Hmmm...but rubber seals *can* leak, even though they don't usually
leak.  I remember reading something, was it in BuckyWorks(?), that
said that there are segmented domes now that *can't* leak.  That's
a very absolute statement.

> Weld it!

Weld aluminum?  YIKES!  It'd work, though.

     -- Chuck Knight
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I talked with bucky about a metal frame but strut dome like the pease
use plywood cut the 4 x 8 in diagonal etc. and have snap in t shaped
rubber
that is uv ok but has nipple snap in spots much like a scuba seal on an
air valve.

I want to live on the water because of the volatility of the land based
political
powers, tax based special interest and development over kill, along with
the
pollution standards that could poison you that are around, as well as many

other wild card factors of being over secure in the old world sense of
having a
castle.  If I want on I go to the Hilton and have a room any where.  Any
way
the Hilton is cheaper than having a house if you use it for when you need
to meet
someone for something of importance.  In La it is summer all the time and
outside is
much more healthy than the old way.  I see living on a boat much more life
and living
as a standard of happy go lucky and just as big, My boat gives me 3 floors
including
a fly bridge that I can go to as well as I can change the view any time
for ever.
I can drive 30 minutes to Catalina and anchor in perfect peace and alone
with my
friends and fish if I want.  I have three boats on my one boat, a kayak
and a rowing
dingy named splinters and a sail boat that I can lift and use at any time.
I pull a larger
18 foot 150 horse power sea going speed boat that will go 40 miles per
hour.
I can go any where fast. No traffic.  I like to take my bike and then
bike for exercise.  These are gas vehicles but I use them only when
I have to, other wise I row and bike.  I can live in all the greatest
cities of ca, if i wish, the boats are earth quake proof to a great degree
and I sleep
with a scuba lung under the bed anyway.
The dome days are over for me and I hope others find this boat way of
living.
It makes a great way to raise kids which I have none. It makes for a great
way
to spend time and boats are cheap in La area.  The east coast sucks for
this
because it will blow you away and drown.  Most people in the design of
their
life do not look as climate as part of there home.  It is much like
having a roof over your head if you do not need one like here in la, it is
70 degrees
everyday and like is great.  My only need now is a pretty wife that can
support herself
and likes boats.  This is my dome design now.  The dome is really a way of

:::::::: Passive Accomplishment::::::::  it shows this power and that is
why it is so great unless
you do temcor size domes and then you really have to use domes.  The great
design for domes
will be for space travel, that is its fortitude max dynamic. Bucky changed
the world and the dome
is not why he was here contrary to the thinking out loud film that I
hated, Bucky was put here
to save the world with world game and passive accomplishment.  This was
his highest priority.
To communicate that the world game will work over war games.  When geni
took the idea of
the passive accomplishment of electric grid sharing which is a world game
design and tried to make
a living off of it, and stated that this was the highest priority I wanted
to take the idea of
copper and say I want to raise a non-profit and make copper the highest
priority for this is what
the wire will be make out of.  When I told Peter that a boron fiber
outside of copper was how
bucky wanted to make the wire he had never heard of it.  My point is if
all these people like him
and Jay Baldwin and Ed Applewhite and Kirby Urner were not trying to make
a living off Fuller
the info may come out a little more clear.  The non profits like bfi ad
world game are always
killed by them making a little profit to survive but it is all right for
all these new people and
some entrenched people to tell them what to do when they don't even own
what they
use to make their living;  Geni, Applewhite, Urner, Baldwin they all use
the archive that is
the bfi and world games.  they then compete with them and bad mouth them.
What a bucky
bump from my little point of view.
Urner has been a very bad mouthed person about the bfi
Ed Applewhtie supports urner because he is helping his book
they both help jay baldwin sell his book so he is on their side and
jay bad mouths my wood dome of bucky's because he sells pillow domes.
He even went so far as to say the leak and that is that, what crap.
Bill Perk has been saying why did you not make the dome a historical
property
and telling everyone I am in the way of the evolution of the Fuller Park
now I sell
it to him and he states he has not decided what to do.  I hope he
remembers what he told me.
Everyone of the board members of the bfi and the archivists and managers
of the bfi were
wanting to fire Jamie and Allegra or quit at one time because the fuller
family would not
do what they wanted and give them the money they wanted to where they
wanted it.
Bucky gave it to them not the others, anyway the Fuller family found a
better place
and I know Bucky liked ca. and that is where the archive stays.  It now
makes all that
fuss over nothing a bit stupid on kirby and most the board members point
of view.
Toni Huston has stated to Allegra he is sorry.  The rest just let it
rest.  I have seen that sort
of thing happen a few times with the Fuller office but when bucky was
alive they could not
get away with fighting as hard they would not dare call him a crook and
stupid the way
this last gang of people did.  He would tell me when the office doesn't
like what he wants
he would fire them like if he is in a storm you take down the sail, I
would say you said down and
he would say I did not mean to say down.  He did not believe in up and
down and I counted them
all the time.  when I would make archive tapes audio of him I would make
xxx and ooo along my notes that
I always took to see what was on the tape latter and he would average 3
ups and 7 downs an hour,
I would at the end of the lecture state to him you do not want to use up
and down and you used so many
and he would get real mad at me.  So he would ask the audience does anyone
here use the words up and down
and then he would point at me and say not including you.  No one would
raise their hand.
    I would always raise my hand and it made him look stupid so he would
look around for me in the audience
first when he ask that.  any way trying a boat for living in ca is the
greatest way to really have an interesting life.

http://home.earthlink.net/~syntirity/index.html

Joe Moore is doing more than Kirby has with his site or ever will.
Joe your site is greater and greater, I hope you get funding from a non
profit for that.


Charles J Knight wrote:

> > Rubber T'S that fit between the edges I have always thought, but the
> > sun
> > will do some damage.
>
> Hmmm...but rubber seals *can* leak, even though they don't usually
> leak.  I remember reading something, was it in BuckyWorks(?), that
> said that there are segmented domes now that *can't* leak.  That's
> a very absolute statement.
>
> > Weld it!
>
> Weld aluminum?  YIKES!  It'd work, though.
>
>      -- Chuck Knight
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Michael,

Thanks for the complement.

I'm retired with a "comfortable" income; so I don't need any money from
anybody.

I have the time to work on my web site full time, if I wish.

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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>
> Joe Moore is doing more than Kirby has with his site or ever will.
> Joe your site is greater and greater, I hope you get funding from a non
> profit for that.
>
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   30-JAN-2000  6:49
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  <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   18-JAN-2000 11:40
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     balderdash.  yes, there are many (what I call) tories in the USA goment
     that tend to play these geopolitical games
     -- whcih the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists won't address
     with their silly clock -- however,
     the cartelized nature of most commodities, including oil,
     is completely belying of this supposed benefit
     for US consumers.  typicallly brainwashed Subject
     o'the Empire!

     (go ahead, Sir, and say that it doesn't exist !-)

     --The duke of oil!
     http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Hutchings                      30-JAN-2000  6:39
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 thus quoth:
  biomass. There are many examples of biomass being burned anyway, so let's


 show how "petroleum" is not biomassive; as an exercise?
         as for the Exxon Valdez, considering last year's article
 on organic (sik) seeps of oil (in the Gulf de Baja),
 I am a lot more concerned over Mobilsaurus Tex, the Bush Clone!...
 that was in Scientific American, which i try to look at, although
 my favorite general-science mag is *21st C. S&T*, of course.
         proponents of photovoltaics seldom bother
 with the question of the plants, they necessarily dysplace
 (if o'er undeveloped land).

 Chernobyl is the most horrid example of the bleating
 of the centralized USA media, which was the greater part
 of the problem -- notwithstanding the fact that
 the KGB allowed almost no remedial action to be taken
 for a week, while they were taking iodine tabs downwind,
 as in Ukraine!  (source:
 "Chernobyl, 10YA" in *EIR*.)
         ionizing radiation is *the* single most-studied toxin
 on Earth, since the progeny of the survivors of the terror-bombings
 of Hiroshima "and nagasaki, two," and the Chinese Longitudinal Study
 etc.etc.etc.  what the media put forth is routine, hum-drum hysteria.
         modular sodium-gas-cooled ractors are modular, and
 extremely failsafe, as well.

 thus quoth:
  The reason that nuclear power and hydroelectric power present such
 concerns to
 environmentalists is the potential damage that can occur to the
 surrounding

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   30-JAN-2000  7:24
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  <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   10-JAN-2000 15:14
                   r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

   oops.

     the sellers of US hegemony are legion, mostly Tories and
     necromarxists, who insist that the Monroe Doctrine, manifest Destiny
     etc. are merely forms of imperialism (or the "classical" economic model
     of "British Liberal Free Trade" of rentier-financiers, or
     the *laissez-faire* doctrine of the feudal landed aristocracy and
     their Physiocrat philosophs.
             instructively, while trying to study the local cable monopoly,
     Adelphia, I accidentally got onto the page of the "Adelphi Brotherhood;"
     just look at the bio of Lincoln, and freak.

     as for the sellers of German hegemony and the racial doctrine
     of "Hitler's loving executioners," one need only look
     at the Thatcher, Bush, Gorby, Mitterand support of Maastricht,
     over a supposedly-emergent "Fourth Reich," as ennunciated for her
     by Riddly.  not that such a hegemon could not be imposed,
     as with the oligarchical meddling leading into the World Wars, though!

     anyone who believes in the sanctity of globalization,
     clearly has not read the vignette of the NWO/NTO,
     that is embodied in the first unauthorized bio of Sir George --
     http://www.tarpley.net/bushint.htm
     -- wherein Thatcher et all get their deserved reputation,
     as anything but statesmen and woman.

     thus quoth:
      United States contained its erstwhile enemy, thus enabling the Western
   --Beat the Bush (again and, if required for clones, again) !!
   http://www.tarpley.net.bush12.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   31-JAN-2000 11:09
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 here is something that I'm writing-up for a local matter,
 that I reffered to, before, to compare
 with some of the "just say, No Nukes" attitudes, around here.

 thus saith:
    The uglier truth is, the issues of "child safety" and
 environmental toxicity, based (for instance) upon mere oil
 being underneath the whole area in which the Belmont Learning
 Center is situated, are hardly more than a loud drumbeat
 of numbing hysteria, based on such a "big white lie"
 as the fact that methane gas is explosive -- while
 always, almost without fail, making the usage:
 Eplosive Methane Gas.  (Just for a brief treatment of this: "Everyday,
 in the LAUSD system, Laidlaw Buses drive into campuses, loaded
 with Gallons of EXPLOSIVE Gasoline !-)


 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm