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(Can be in the same message.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (You may want to save this file to forward on to people who are interested, as it tells what the list is about, and how to subscribe and unsubscribe.) Pat _____________________________Think For Yourself______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:46:39 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Mitchell Subject: Re: Square thinking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit when it comes to roots I like sassafras! By the way looking for the true black ho!! Once the world electric systems is used then someone will say they are the ones that did it not bucky he is dead, right! Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian Q. Hutchings 27-FEB-2000 7:44 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > well, when you're wrong, you're wrong; but > you're not wrong -- I am! > > thus quoth: > Ummm ... wouldn't it be 1/3 not the third root? They don't care about > volume, just the sum of the three dimensions. > > --The Duke of Oil! > http://www.tarpley.net/bushint.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:48:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Mitchell Subject: Re: Square thinking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They would check you balls. Ross Keatinge wrote: > I'm busy packing for an overseas trip. The airline specifies that the sum of > width, height and length of my items of checked-in luggage can't be more > than 159 cm. > > I wonder what would happen if I showed up with a spherical suitcase :) > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:00:33 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: sercret code? Cliff, It is much easier to understand Bucky's written 4-Color Theorem proof if one has a picture to look at. See: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetGeomTheorem4-ColorProof.htm Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ "Clifford J. Nelson" wrote in message news:38BF0BCC.D246B5C1@gte.net... > > Bucky Fuller used a secret code to hide things from those pesky > specialists who don't know their place. The secret code is called the > English language. Look at the reaction I got to one of his encoded > messages. See: > > Regarding Bucky Fuller's Section 541.20 Solution of Four-Color Theorem. > > http://www.forum.swarthmore.edu/epigone/geometry-research/kumfrousmy > > Cliff Nelson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:07:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Any body know this reference Comments: To: Tetworld Global Advisory Committee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To the best of my memory, I have never heard or read of Bucky saying anything like the sentence marked (XXX) below. Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Siegmund" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:38 AM Subject: Any body know this reference > Tetworld Global Advisory Committee - http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/advisory.html > > Anybody know the reference below? > > thanks, > mark > ---------- > > From: Prasad Kaipa > > Organization: Mithya Institute for Learning > > Reply-To: prasad@mithya.com > > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:36:45 -0800 > > To: Mark Siegmund > > Subject: Do you know where to find this quote? > > > > Dear Mark: > > I hope you can or know somebody who can answer this question: > > I heard a quote that is ascribed to Bucky that goes like this: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > We move between one percent of what we know and one percent > > of what we don't know without ever bothering about 98% of > > what we don't know that we don't know. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > Have you heard this before. Is it Bucky's? Do you know where it > > is from? > > thanks a million! I am finishing up proofing a paper on knowledge > > architecture. An editor has suggested that quote and I am looking > > for reference. > > Thanks in advance > > Prasad > > > > -- > > Prasad Kaipa, Ph. D. (408) 871-0462 > > Mithya Institute for Learning (408) 871-0461 (Fax) > > and Knowledge Architecture > > 268 E. Hamilton Avenue, Suite D prasad@mithya.com > > Campbell, CA 95008-0239 > > > > Mithya Institute Web page: http://www.Mithya.com > > > > New on web site: Updated Mithya Wheel - personal coaching for > > Value based decisions! > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to adcomm-unsubscribe@listbot.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > Advertisement: > Enter to win $1000 at winfreestuff.com! > What else do you want to win? If you want cash, gourmet foods, palm > pilots, and other great prizes don't look any further than > winfreestuff.com! We've got what you want. Check it out at: > http://www.listbot.com/links/winfreestuff2 > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:46:28 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: sercret code? In-Reply-To: <001901bf84ab$e48bbb60$123cfea9@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:00 PM 03/02/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Cliff, > >It is much easier to understand Bucky's written 4-Color Theorem proof if one >has a picture to look at. See: > >http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetGeomTheorem4-ColorProof.htm > >Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com >Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ I never found this convincing. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 05:43:32 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Q-P] Fwd: Gay Marriage Ban Splits Community <> Brian Q. Hutchings 03-MAR-2000 5:43 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us wha'd'y'expect from a bunch o'Beltway Yahoo!s, anyway? thus quoth: Announcement: America Online has added Reuters newswires to News Profiles. News item: the Los Angeles Times and the Daily News, the 2 "papers of record" of Greater LA, both failed to note any results of the Democratic primaries in VA and ND, although the triumph of "JR" Gore in WA was the frontpage headliner. the results of these races were coming in, presumably, as the LATimes/LaOpinio/CNN "debate" between 2 of the 3 Dems on the Ballot in CA was going on, the 3rd having been excluded from all notion of proper existential glee. the mystery Democrat was the only Dem on the ballot in Michigan, winning hands-chopped-off, as the DNC and state party apparat, presumably "assimilated" by the Skull'n'Bones networks in the consolidated, cartelized, cabbalized media, worked like Hell to get all Good Dems to vote for McCain -- to make it look, good, in the R race with Earth's dumbest candidate! "You are entitled to La Opinion!" (tm) -- -- The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:13:07 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: sercret code? <> Brian Q. Hutchings 03-MAR-2000 6:13 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us the picture is ambiguous, because you cannot tell that the internally-adjacent facets of the tetrahedra are supposed to be of the *same* color, but which is stated in the text -- I think; it's been years, since I read that. there may actually be a basis for a proof in that paragraph, or it may just be some sort of neccesary condition. if that is so, doctor Conway's immense knowledge may have already yielded the requisite sufficiencies! Bucky's key insight was, the tertrahedron (tetragon, or "tetravertexia," to use Bucky's awful neologism of his _Posthumous Scenario_ for us all ) is the simplest shape to conceptualize, were we not so habituated to the hexahedron (octagon). --Beat Back the Bush Clowns (or you have been assimilated .-) http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:19:59 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Q-P] URGENT: Stop the "Keep the Sanctions on Iraq letter" <> Brian Q. Hutchings 03-MAR-2000 6:19 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us this antidote to the letter to Congress, from some Yahoo! Dems in it, is about as fungible as a pi-dollar bill. there is one, truly national Dem presidiential candidate who has repeatedly & unequivocally stated that the sanctions on Iraq must be taken down -- and most other continuities of the Gorey "Principals Committe" in the Cabinet, with the Yahoo! policies of Sir George, must also be ripped-out root & branch, domesstically as well. we won in Michigan, and perhaps also in VA and ND (the local meidameisters only reported results in WA, where Gore won); the Wall of Ignorance is Falling! --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:06:05 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: sercret code? <> Brian Q. Hutchings 03-MAR-2000 8:06 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us you are wrong. I think it is, any of the semiregular (archimedean) patterns can be covered with 2 colors, iff all of the vertices are 2n-way (even number of shapes meeting at each vertex), a la chessboards; of course, this applies to a regular trigonal net, but not to a tetrahedron with its 3-way vertices. the other aspect is how any map can be triangulated, with the addition of vertices & edges, and how this can be applied to generic/irregular maps; this may have been one aspect of the in/famous Appel-Haken proof; I wouldn't know! thus quoth: So if Bucky is correct and my interpretation is correct, then Bucky has exceeded all expectations and has proved that any map can be colored with just 2 colors! --Beat Back the Bush Clowns (or you have been assimilated .-) http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:21:04 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Mitchell Subject: Re: Any body know this reference MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never heard him say this in my 16 years with him but he could have, he did say he could tell the diameter of a woman's leg a block away and that the brain has many more things happening that we do know about and to trust your intuition as it were. He could have stated this? Ask one of the copy cats like Applewhite or his bashing gang like Kirby. OH! yes kirby never met bucky, did you kirby? Joe S Moore wrote: > To the best of my memory, I have never heard or read of Bucky saying > anything like the sentence marked (XXX) below. > > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Siegmund" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:38 AM > Subject: Any body know this reference > > > Tetworld Global Advisory Committee - > http://members.tripod.com/~Tetworld/advisory.html > > > > Anybody know the reference below? > > > > thanks, > > mark > > ---------- > > > From: Prasad Kaipa > > > Organization: Mithya Institute for Learning > > > Reply-To: prasad@mithya.com > > > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:36:45 -0800 > > > To: Mark Siegmund > > > Subject: Do you know where to find this quote? > > > > > > Dear Mark: > > > I hope you can or know somebody who can answer this question: > > > I heard a quote that is ascribed to Bucky that goes like this: > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > > We move between one percent of what we know and one percent > > > of what we don't know without ever bothering about 98% of > > > what we don't know that we don't know. > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > > > Have you heard this before. Is it Bucky's? Do you know where it > > > is from? > > > thanks a million! I am finishing up proofing a paper on knowledge > > > architecture. An editor has suggested that quote and I am looking > > > for reference. > > > Thanks in advance > > > Prasad > > > > > > -- > > > Prasad Kaipa, Ph. D. (408) 871-0462 > > > Mithya Institute for Learning (408) 871-0461 (Fax) > > > and Knowledge Architecture > > > 268 E. Hamilton Avenue, Suite D prasad@mithya.com > > > Campbell, CA 95008-0239 > > > > > > Mithya Institute Web page: http://www.Mithya.com > > > > > > New on web site: Updated Mithya Wheel - personal coaching for > > > Value based decisions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, write to adcomm-unsubscribe@listbot.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Advertisement: > > Enter to win $1000 at winfreestuff.com! > > What else do you want to win? If you want cash, gourmet foods, palm > > pilots, and other great prizes don't look any further than > > winfreestuff.com! We've got what you want. Check it out at: > > http://www.listbot.com/links/winfreestuff2 > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 01:48:55 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jim Lehman Subject: Re: Looking for Rick Flowerday Rick Flowerday's email is: flowerday@tucker-usa.com Jim Lehman (new kid on the block) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 09:10:41 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: N + CL = CP4E In-Reply-To: <200003031606.IAA30762@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Numeracy + Computer Literacy = Computer Programming for Everybody -- that's been my theme over the the Python edu-sig (sig = special interest group). Now I'm ready to show this stuff to more math teachers, as it sets some new and interesting precedents which at least progressive faculties will enjoy discussing. http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/numeracy3.html is now on line, the fourth and last part of my 'Numeracy and Computer Literacy' series, linked from: http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/cp4e.html ==== Links especially interesting to students of Bucky's stuff: Section 1 ties-in the jitterbug and Fuller's 10 f^2 + 2, makes the virus link. Section 2 mentions the jitterbug, in the context of dealing with phi and root(2). We got to Phi from continued fractions and the Fibonacci series (the later from Pascal's Triangle) in Section 1. Section 3 is about prime and composite numbers, ending up with Pascal's Tetrahedron (Pascal's Triangle and Tetrahedron are major themes througout -- direct tie-in to sphere packing here). Section 4 relinks the jitterbug, talks about the streamlining advantages of Fuller's concentric hierarchy. Does random IVM tetras with whole number volumes demo. ==== Every section is full of examples of Python code, with all source modules downloadable. Python is a state of the art VHLL (very high level language) and is a candidate first language for today's students (kind of like BASIC was some year ago). Python is free and cross-platform (www.python.org). Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 09:15:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Any body know this reference In-Reply-To: <38C1FCCF.79F36A93@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MSM wrote: >gang like Kirby. OH! yes kirby never met bucky, did you kirby? > We shared an auditorium once (Hunter College -- air pockets), with some Vulcan mind meld type exercises leading up to that event. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 05:50:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: N + CL = CP4E <> Brian Q. Hutchings 05-MAR-2000 5:50 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us it looks like you flubbed on the writing, herein: The goldbach function returns such 2- and 3-term sums, turning odd number cas making 3 be one of the primes. The algorithm used in -- but not much. there is a very interesting (non "iff") relation between twin-primes and Goldbach's conjecture, as you might expect, found in Math Mag. is R.Grey's proof of integral volume of of IVM-verticed tetrahedra, available with a link?... I don't recall, if he had posted it on your list. --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 05:55:50 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Any body know this reference <> Brian Q. Hutchings 05-MAR-2000 5:55 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us >if Bucky did say it, it was one of his dumber slurs; >a heavy speaking-load, and peristalsis occurs! > apply Godel's theorem and recursify. > >thus quoth: > > > > We move between one percent of what we know and one percent > > > > of what we don't know without ever bothering about 98% of > > > > what we don't know that we don't know. > > >hopefully, we shall nver know, nor >ever use such utterances as a shill to name-drop, again! >--The Duke of Oil! >http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:58:48 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: N + CL = CP4E In-Reply-To: <200003051350.FAA03359@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:50 AM 03/05/2000 -0800, Brian Hutchings wrote: ><> Brian Q. Hutchings 05-MAR-2000 5:50 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > it looks like you flubbed on the writing, herein: > The goldbach function returns such 2- and 3-term sums, turning odd number cas > making 3 be one of the primes. The algorithm used in Wow, Brian surfs! Time was, all these URLs would never get your comment -- you'd dish 'em out, but couldn't seem to eat 'em. > > -- but not much. Not sure wherein the flubbing lies. If you follow the link to "Goldbach's Conjucture" a little higher up (not to the bio, but to the one before), you'll see more source for this writing. Are they inconsistent? > there is a very interesting (non "iff") relation > between twin-primes and Goldbach's conjecture, as you might expect, > found in Math Mag. Care to share it? > is R.Grey's proof of integral volume of of IVM-verticed tetrahedra, > available with a link?... I don't recall, if > he had posted it on your list. He did post it on Synergetics-L, in Aug 1995 I think it was, but it'll take some digging, as Syn-L doesn't have the nice web-based interface like GEODESIC does (one of my pet peeves and reason enough to terminate Synergetics-L, even if Teleport weren't doing it for me -- for all of us). At some point, I'll hope to wire a permanent link to Bob's vector-algebraic proof (has various corollaries). Plus I'm still looking for an inductive proof, where you assume a whole number volumed tet N and let vertex A go to any of 12 neighboring, prove all options whole numbered (so back to case N). That's like proving for N and (N+1), kinda, with unit-volume tet a case by definition. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 09:05:31 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: N + CL = CP4E <> Brian Q. Hutchings 05-MAR-2000 9:05 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us thus quoth: still looking for an inductive proof, where you assume a whole number volumed tet N and let vertex A go to any of 12 neighboring, prove all options whole numbered (so back to case N). That's well, it does sound plausible! I have the proof at home; it's very short, but I don't recall the gist (after reading it the first time, and for years after that, I thought it was "iff", although neither conjecture is proven .-) the "flub" is that you don't have to "make" a prime of 3; it just is (unless you mean 3+0i). ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:23:10 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: N + CL = CP4E In-Reply-To: <200003051705.JAA03700@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > the "flub" is that you don't have to "make" a prime of 3; > it just is (unless you mean 3+0i). > Oh, I see what you mean. I just meant that when dealing with odd numbers, we want them to always be the sum of three prime numbers. Nowhere in the rules does it say that one of these primes _has_ to be 3, but I just declare 3 to be one of the terms (what I mean by "making 3 be one of the primes"). This then gets me to an even number -- after which we're just using the same algorithm I use for even number cases (even = sum of two primes). I.E. even.goldbach() = prime + prime odd.goldbach() = 3 + even.goldbach() = 3 + prime + prime Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:35:52 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: NCTM 2000 Standards: Historical Dimension In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000305162310.007614b0@pop.teleport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's a "typo's fixed" version of something I just posted to the NCTM 2000 Standards website at the Math Forum (NCTM = National Council of Teachers of Mathematics): http://forum.swarthmore.edu/nctm.standards.2000/index.html (see Discussion Area 1: Areas of Mathematics) Some months ago, I actively participated in a brainstorming session around how to more effectively bring in the historical dimension in math teaching -- something many posters felt was insufficiently spelled out in the newest guidelines (I also recall Ralph Abraham emphasizing this time dimension at the Oregon Math Summit: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/mathsummit.html). Here I'm talking about how my most recent 'Numeracy + Computer Literacy' series (as per the recent N + CL = CP4E thread on GEODESIC) is perhaps living up to our new standard, at least to some degree. Kirby ======================= Based on the foregoing discussion, I think I've successfully prototyped some materials that follows our suggested guidelines. Here's what people asked to see: 1. the historical nature of mathematics, 2. how mathematical contributions, both historical and current, enhance our society in new and interesting ways, 3. that most major theorems and other mathematical objects have been named after people whose contributions to mathematics ought to be recognized, 4. the great, interesting, and in many cases still unsolved problems of the past, and 5. the historical partnership between mathematics and science in the development of both fields, and the importance of the interplay between them. Where I implement some of these guidelines is in a 4-part essay linked from: http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/cp4e.html I call this my 'Numeracy + Computer Literacy' series, because as per prior posts (of mine), I consider these to be convergent goals -- partly why I'm not a big fan of rigidly dividing "mathematicians" from "non-mathematicians" along university departmental lines (as per today's bureaucracies) -- because many leading lights in the past _cannot_ and _should not_ be pigeon-holed too neatly into just one category. Anyway, let me go through the exercise of indicating in what way I've at least partially met our own proposed NCTM criteria: ========== 1. the historical nature of mathematics, (a) I go back as far back as BC times, with Erastosthenes, showing how his thinking is still relevant to today. (b) In mentioning that the Chinese were familiar with Pascal's Triangle, I'm showing how different cultures may follow similar threads using different terminology and conceptual frameworks. (c) And in talking about how the lowly numberline, introduced in early grades, might be recast as an implementation of vectors, ala Grassmann, Clifford, Gibbs et al, I'm showing how later work has the effect or recontextualizing the earlier stuff. All of the above are indicative of important patterns, which we encounter over and over, when studying the history of mathematics (continued relevance, parallel/convergent tracks, recontextualization of the old by the new). ========== 2. how mathematical contributions, both historical and current, enhance our society in new and interesting ways Given that I'm using well-known mathematics as a basis for phasing in a recent, state of the art, VHLL (very high level language), this theme is somewhat implicit: "Thanks to mathematical contributions at many levels, you the student are able to learn math using fancy computers and languages like Guido's Python, relatively easy to use compared to what your ancestors had to struggle with". Given this same computer language, and synergy of Python + Povray, is what's used to produce the majority of the illustrative graphics, this message is also clear: your aesthetic environment is being altered by pioneering work in mathematics (hits home with kids, given how many are already immersed in video games and computerized cartoons). ========== 3. that most major theorems and other mathematical objects have been named after people whose contributions to mathematics ought to be recognized I don't mention many theorems, but I do mention Goldbach's Conjecture (still unproved), and Grassmann algebra (naming an algebra for a guy). Objects such as vectors, quaternions, turtles (graphics cursor), polyhedra etc. are _not_ named after individuals. So I guess I'm sort of making the opposite point as well: many important objects in math are not named after people. Johann Carl Friedrich Gauss has the Guassian Distribution named after him -- and he's definitely one of the heros in this presentation (starting from early boyhood). Others mentioned: Blaise Pascal, Rene Descartes, Waclaw Sierpinski, Sir William Hamilton, Willard Gibbs, Robert Gray, David Chako, Leonard Euler, Russell Towle, Tim Peters, Tom Ace, Gerald de Jong, Jim Nugent, Leonardo Fibonacci (some of these just get a "thanks" in the source code). ========== 4. the great, interesting, and in many cases still unsolved problems of the past, and Ibid: Goldbach's Conjecture. I also branch to the topic of prime number explorations, which push the computing frontier. Only thanks to modern high speed computers do we have such a huge list of verified primes (still growing). 5. the historical partnership between mathematics and science in the development of both fields, and the importance of the interplay between them. This is especially important to my approach, and I agitated to retain point 5 in earlier discussions. Among those cited in my essay who might not be neatly pigeon-holed as "just mathematicians" are: Isaac Newton (physicist), Willard Gibbs (scientist), Johannes Kepler (astronomer), William Barlow (crystallographer), R. Buckminster Fuller (philosopher), Alexander Graham Bell (inventor) and Hermann Grassmann (he got into sanskrit, when more established mathematicians of his day were more into ripping him off than giving him credit (another important pattern in math (see (a))). Yes, I know these are "dead white males" (dunno about Erastosthenes for sure), but I consider the genetic commonalities fairly irrelevant: it's the memes, not the genes, we need to be focussing on, when doing intellectual history (which doesn't mean we should ignore socio-economics, sexism, racism or classism, all relevant factors when explaining how "mathematics" came to be as we know it -- or refuse to recognize it -- today). Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:49:56 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Mitchell Subject: Re: NCTM 2000 Standards: Historical Dimension, not! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You forgot unitivity stupid. This in Bucky's own words states that precession rules! http://www.Channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/bucky/index.html with the archive permission please read. Tensegrity is the result of precession at any level nano to macro, this shows that nothing touches and is in precession as my theory of unitivity insists. Thank you ! The radii is all that changes with all events and the area of sweep out. E=AC2 orbitronics rules! My idea, mine mine mine!!!!!! Now lets here your syntrivity. I want to thank Bob for sending me the letter copy to make public. This is a letter sent to him by buck after Applewhite had gotten out of the way. This is his final letter on synergetics and should be a chapter that takes the general systems view. At least he got it out before he died. Thank god. MSM Thank you bob. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:23:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: NCTM 2000 Standards: Historical Dimension, not! Comments: cc: bobwb@juno.com In-Reply-To: <38C32AE4.C1C20146@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From: Michael Mitchell >Subject: Re: NCTM 2000 Standards: Historical Dimension, not! >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >You forgot unitivity stupid. >This in Bucky's own words states that precession rules! <> >orbitronics rules! My idea, mine mine mine!!!!!! Now lets here your >syntrivity. Not sure who this was addressed to -- what's "syntrivity"? Notice that in: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/bucky/section1.html Bucky makes the distinction between orbiting and precessional freedoms -- not the same: All systems have six primitive... "degrees of freedom." ... (1) axial rotation, (2) torque... (5) orbital travel, (6) precession.... Seems you've never been very clear on the difference -- as Bucky was. >I want to thank Bob for sending me the letter copy to make public. So _you_ made this thing public? Bob never mentions you at his web site that I can find. Hasn't this been up for awhile? Maybe I'm confusing it with something else. Anyway, nevermind, I don't need to know the details. Good to see this thing up on the web. >Thank you bob. Yeah, thanks bob. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:12:36 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Mitchell Subject: Re: N + CL = CP4E blah, blah, blah, tetra-blah. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit blah, blah, blah, tetra- blah, blah, blah, blah, tetra- blah, tetra- tetra- blah! Have you tattle tailed to Applewhite that he is a little brat to hide behind you yet, ? Are you not having a great time ganging up on the little carbondale boy, mickey mitchell.? I suppose you have erased your past posts that show you hate the bfi around and come over to say where is the proof? If people knew how anti bucky you are in reality they would barf at your site. But please I can stand your pip squeak frontal attacks from Applewhite's secret posts to you to sell his books. Tell us some cosmic fish tails now and flop around like a fish out of urinal water but brain.. You came over to spam the synlist again just what you kicked me off for, sharing your stupidity with the geo list to show how over specialized your but brain is. Cube head. Your turn blab-ber brain. sea ya! By the way have you seen my dome in the new Fuller book, it looks great. I suppose the pile of wood as you say, should have been torn away years ago, now Bill Perk will make a park out of it and then you will say oh! yes that is what I wanted to see, as being in my club of haves, mr. Kin Star, or george bush of the buckities. I am glad I never had a teacher like you, wow how boring. Why not get chicken shit Ed over here to help you talk about selling the books. HUH! MMMMMMH, maybe he can't spread himself that thin, he is so high and out of reach. Tell Applewhite that I and others that I met along the way think he is an ass hole for his insults to us when we were little student people and he was working with bucky. Thank god he was not around bucky much. It might have distracted him from other things he had to do. Cosmic fishing is all about trying to corner bucky to & to copy some of my tapes transcribed by the secretaries at Carbondale. He will tell you he used my tapes transcribed from the 1960 Design Department for synergetics. 60 hours. As well as many others. You guys are not such a big deal!!! I was suppressed that he has taken you in for his son, even when you attacked Allegra and the family. And then you stated he was along with the attack with you. I feel sorry for you guys, picking on bucky's only daughter like that. What ass holes. Please others do not open if you hate the truth. I do not hate these guys, I am just laying the facts out for the record from another point of view. If I do not do it, no one will know how these idiots have played the game. I am at peace and hope you will say your sorry to Allegra some day and I will forget about it. But no you have to keep the hate up against the bfi and posted it for a year before I got my computer, until then you got away with it, and as Mike Riversong stated you were running away with synergetics and stealing the show making it a private club. YOu think the the synlist is the private club for synergetics, run by you and Applewhite, real-estate that you killed the indians and took over then along comes me and states how big a crook you are to do this, and go against the bfi that gives you the books to do it. What a stupid move you did. Please say you are sorry to the bfi at least. for your own soul. How is your turf, doing, has Jamie called you, " his nickel" that was such a cheap shot at Jamie. Jamie is worth a million of you kirby, a billion. Ass hole.. You really have nerve to use bucky's synergetics and attack his own family. I do not hate you, I pity you. As Allegra has stated you were a great student and then you turned on her and the bfi. for power, having to put up with people like you and others that infringe on the fuller integrity are the worst things that the family has to do. But they have survived your attacks with dignity and they have done the right thing they gave the archive to Stanford, not to Henry Ford, with you being the manager in your plan, right.!!! You are a power hungry selfish bigot to bucky, and all those people that you aspire to be, behind you like GENI, You guys should just try and close world game and the bfi and take it over, that is what you want. Then you can be the big power plays for the world, You think you are smarter than everyone else, well not me, I caught you. You guys are just rip offs. Fuller rip off artists. bye for now.!!!! That Applewhite supports you is mind blowing. I use to respect him even though he was rude to everyone. After reading cosmic fishing I see how this all fits together, he is a glory hog taking advantage of bucky to leave his name on something for being a file clerk and even though it was hard for bucky to communicate with Applewhite he put up with it to get most of it out. I was with bucky a lot around the time that was happening and bucky told me some stories at that time. About meeting one of the board members of Macmillian etc. Anyway lets put it this way, Applewhite was a lot like Brendon O'reagon, perverted selfishness attached. Opportunists, bucky could work with anyone to get a design out, and he did. Ed Schlosberg was the one that really got the Applewhite project off the ground first if I recall right. He was my first student teacher with Herb Roan at the Design Department 2 years before Jay Baldwin arrived. Hey, you guys stick together and cover each ones back, so everyone will think you are smart, smart, smart, Sea YA! by the way you are a chicken sucking tetrahedron. Kirby Urner wrote: > > the "flub" is that you don't have to "make" a prime of 3; > > it just is (unless you mean 3+0i). > > > > Oh, I see what you mean. > > I just meant that when dealing with odd numbers, we want them > to always be the bum of three prime numbers. > > Nowhere in the rules does say that one of these primes _has_ > to be but I just declare to be one of the terms (what I > mean by "making be one of the primes"). > > This then gets me to an even number -- after which we're just > using the same algorithm I use for even number cases > I.E. > > even.goldbach() = prime + prime > odd.goldbach() = + even.goldbach() = prime + prime > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:43:02 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re blah, blah, blah (with apologies) In-Reply-To: <38C33E44.877E3264@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:12 PM 03/05/2000 -0800, Michael Mitchell wrote: >blah, blah, blah, tetra- blah, blah, blah, blah, tetra- blah, tetra- >tetra- blah! MSM -- That was a reply to Brian about something in my new Bucky- related essay on the web. You didn't need to waste so much time on it, as it's not something you appear to have any interest in. How about you just skip my posts, as I do most of yours, rather than getting worked up and sounding off (redundantly) -- and no, I haven't deleted any posts from the GEODESIC archives, couldn't if I wanted to. I think you've made your view of the drama clear: you're the defender/hero and I'm the evil, power-mad BFI/family-hater, somehow in cahoots with Applewhite to sell books and steal fame and glory. Great. I got it. Now let's move on, shall we? My apologies to the list for taking any more time with this. Kirby PS: for those new to GEODESIC, MSM and I have had our little differences, going back to when he was still trying to sell the dome that Bucky and Anne used to own in Carbondale, IL (for $200K I think it was, then $100K... dunno exactly what Bill ended up forking over for it). If you want to know more about me, I have a bio page at http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/kirby.html -- and MSM has a "to whom it may concern" letter from Bucky he'd like you to read (he'll gladly give you the URL). ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:00:39 -0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: Guardian article MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013B_01BF879E.43A48060" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013B_01BF879E.43A48060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For British readers on this list (are there any, apart from me?): Nice reference to Fuller in Guardian article by Jonathan Glancey on Eden = Project in Cornwall, with large colour picture of geodesic domes. "Such domes, which dissolved the boundary between wall and roof, offer = the maximum volume of space for least possible mass. These lightweight = structures seem to match the astonishing strength, flexibility and = beauty of the plants they house." Regards, Paul Taylor. ------=_NextPart_000_013B_01BF879E.43A48060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For British readers on this list (are = there any,=20 apart from me?):

Nice reference to Fuller in Guardian = article by=20 Jonathan Glancey on Eden Project in Cornwall, with large colour picture = of=20 geodesic domes.

"Such domes, which dissolved the = boundary between=20 wall and roof, offer the maximum volume of space for least possible = mass. These=20 lightweight structures seem to match the astonishing strength, = flexibility and=20 beauty of the plants they house."

Regards,

Paul Taylor.

------=_NextPart_000_013B_01BF879E.43A48060-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:16:58 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Guardian article MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF876E.405492E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF876E.405492E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul,=20 Does the Guardian have a web site? If so, do you have a link to that = particular article? If not, do you have the formal name of the = newspaper, date and page(s) number? I'm always looking for more = references to add to my collection. Thanks, Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Taylor=20 Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 11:00 AM Subject: Guardian article For British readers on this list (are there any, apart from me?): Nice reference to Fuller in Guardian article by Jonathan Glancey on = Eden Project in Cornwall, with large colour picture of geodesic domes. "Such domes, which dissolved the boundary between wall and roof, offer = the maximum volume of space for least possible mass. These lightweight = structures seem to match the astonishing strength, flexibility and = beauty of the plants they house." Regards, Paul Taylor. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF876E.405492E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Paul,

Does the Guardian have a web site? If so, do = you have a=20 link to that particular article? If not, do you have the formal = name of=20 the newspaper, date and page(s) number? I'm always looking = for more=20 references to add to my collection.

Thanks,

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminste= r Fuller=20 Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore= /

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Paul = Taylor

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To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO= .EDU=20

Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 = 11:00=20 AM

Subject: Guardian article

For British readers on this list (are = there any,=20 apart from me?):

Nice reference to Fuller in Guardian = article by=20 Jonathan Glancey on Eden Project in Cornwall, with large colour = picture of=20 geodesic domes.

"Such domes, which dissolved the = boundary between=20 wall and roof, offer the maximum volume of space for least possible = mass.=20 These lightweight structures seem to match the astonishing strength,=20 flexibility and beauty of the plants they house."

Regards,

Paul=20 Taylor.

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF876E.405492E0-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 06:53:21 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: NCTM 2000 Standards: Historical Dimension, not! <> Brian Q. Hutchings 06-MAR-2000 6:53 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I'm not saying that you "have" an organic brain syndrome, or that you *are* one, but that there is no continuity within your diatribe about syntrivity/orbitronics/etc., nor from diatribe to diatribe. plus, thy're not easy to read, even if it were not entirely fatuous as a study, or hypothesis; it may not be, of course, butt we'll never know! --Trim the Bushes! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:38:14 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: N + CL = CP4E <> Brian Q. Hutchings 06-MAR-2000 8:38 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us no, I take it back; remember, energy hath shape, and, generally, each of your "next twelve" tetrahedra are not similar. there is an "easy" proof, I think. if you take vertices of a trigonal grid, it is easy to show by "deconstruction" that all trigons on 3 of the vertices are of whole-trigon area; likewise, just by using the altitudes and equal bases. what complication enters, in trying to prove this for tetrahedra, on the vertices of the IVM ?? thus saith: thus quoth: still looking for an inductive proof, where you assume a whole number volumed tet N and let vertex A go to any of 12 neighboring, prove all options whole numbered (so back to case N). That's well, it does sound plausible! I have the proof at home; it's very short, but I don't recall the gist (after reading it the first time, and for years after that, I thought it was "iff", although neither conjecture is proven .-) the "flub" is that you don't have to "make" a prime of 3; it just is (unless you mean 3+0i). I did know what you meant and (3,0) is not prime, in the comlex domain. --Trim the Bushes! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:47:28 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: N + CL = CP4E <> Brian Q. Hutchings 06-MAR-2000 8:47 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us oops; the usual term is *decomposition* of a shape, not "deconstruction" !! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:52:28 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: you've only heard good things about him <> Brian Q. Hutchings 06-MAR-2000 8:52 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us "He's a Bad Guy, But We Can't Say, Why!" http://www.larouchecampaign.com/pages/usvslarouche.html#anchorIntroduction --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:48:26 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: N + CL = CP4E In-Reply-To: <200003061638.IAA08267@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > I did know what you meant and (3,0) is not prime, > in the comlex domain. Now you know. Might be several proofs aside from Gray's. Am not giving up on inductive, despite not-similar cases. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:23:34 -0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: Re: Guardian article MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0089_01BF87CB.5F90CFE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01BF87CB.5F90CFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe, Sorry not to give more references. I wrote in a hurry. Try this URL: http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/arts/story/0,3604,143664,00.html Regards, Paul Taylor. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01BF87CB.5F90CFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Joe,

Sorry not to give more references. I = wrote in a=20 hurry.

Try this URL:

= http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/arts/story/0,3604,143664,00.html

Regards,

Paul Taylor.

------=_NextPart_000_0089_01BF87CB.5F90CFE0-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:54:43 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: philip szeto Subject: Guido Python interesting Comments: To: pdx4d@teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_4445f5ff_89504f8$4017afbf" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_4445f5ff_89504f8$4017afbf Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_5875f2be_89504f8$4017afbf" ------=_NextPart_001_5875f2be_89504f8$4017afbf Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I scan these mathematicians often for Type III Math similarities. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_001_5875f2be_89504f8$4017afbf Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed

I scan these mathematicians often for Type III Math similarities.

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminste= r Fuller=20 Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore= /

----- Original Message -----=20

From: Noel = Boylan=20

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Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 3:38 PM

Subject: Starplate

Hi,

I have a pack of Starplates for = building a=20 structure. But I have lost the manual that came with it..

Can anybody help me???

Reply to my email address.

Regards,

Noel Boylan

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF9512.DEA88800-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:58:40 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Fw: Need plans for elliptical kit - info, please Comments: To: _DomeHomeList MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "George" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 1:57 PM Subject: Need plans for elliptical kit - info, please > hello, would like to build but a typical circular base on uneven and > unworkable terrain seems more problematic > than the elliptical would be. Any advice appreciated. > Please remove NO-SPAM from e-mail address. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:37:10 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: King Dome, Buckyballs etc. (plus errata) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000323174443.032d997c@pop.teleport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Remember to delete the King Dome in Seattle on Tuesday, >... >Get's blown up on Sunday. No, I don't know why I said "Tuesday" in the first sentence. Sunday is when the demolition begins, with a BANG! Speaking of errata, I also misrepresented the time elapsed since that dino-killer asteroid with the ET buckyballs presumably reached our planet: should have said 65 million years ago, not 650 million. The lesson plan, and the erratum, are both posted at the Math Forum (k12.ed.math). http://mathforum.com/epigone/k12.ed.math/stitulveh http://mathforum.com/epigone/k12.ed.math/dwayclingquul Paul Flavin got back to me saying I was being too conventional, posted a lot of Java links, but I don't see it as either/or: http://mathforum.com/epigone/k12.ed.math/rorpherdbring http://mathforum.com/epigone/k12.ed.math/vanyaxdwax Gotta have a mix of "gee whiz" and "nuts and bolts" to anchor any special case reality. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:08:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: LOADING TIME Comments: To: kingdome@mmedia.is Comments: cc: _DomeHomeList MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Einar, A friendly suggestion: You have some important material on your web site, however, some of your web pages with pictures take FOREVER to load, which tends to discourage one from looking at them. I respectfully encourage you to split those web pages into several separate pages. (Ref: http://www.kingdomes.com/) Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:26:12 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Mitchell Subject: Re: ending,synlist ( RIP)!YEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You mean that you have to hide the fax because it shows how chicken shit you all are. OK! See truth is not in your realm of thinking, only back stabbing, and gossip just like you did with the BFI. You, Applewhite, Jay, and Perk, always have to go behind everyone's back and act like your better than others. This post is proof. Some people never learn. You guys are ass holes. > At 04:46 PM 03/21/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >Would you please post Bill Perks Fax to you warning you about me > > No, it was a private fax. I don't know Bill well and > don't think I should test our relationship in this way. > > Furthermore, it's not clear that I even have it. If > I do, it's backed up to a CDROM someplace. I purged > old faxes off my computer long ago -- don't have a > hard copy that I'm aware of. > > But even if I did have that fax, I don't think I'd post > it here. I do think there's a time and place for private > communications, as well as public ones. > > Sometimes I've emailed you privately and you've responded > in a public forum, quoting my email. That's taking a > liberty. It didn't surprise me in your case, because > you don't appear to have a finely tuned sense of netiquette, > being relatively new to the internet. > > At the risk of being offensive, I'll say that you're one > of those people I wouldn't be quick to take into my confidance > on many topics, especially re BFI, RBF, or people we might > both know in common. > > I retain my suspicions and judgements. I can't make them > go away. My impression is lastingly negative. But I > appreciate what you've contributed and thank you for providing > companionship and service to Bucky. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:35:36 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: ending,synlist ( RIP)!YEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <38DC5C04.82B10671@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Some people never learn. You guys are ass holes. > And I thank Bucky for the companionship he provided for you as well (a two way street). Trully he was a great man -- I really don't see how he did it. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:31:54 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Deborah J Kaesemeyer Subject: Re: Metal Framed Geodesic Kit Homes In-Reply-To: <000501bf9618$2a9a4cc0$123cfea9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello! I want to build a 50 foot diameter geodesic dome home as a family project. We are interested in purchasing a kit that has a metal frame with some type of cladding other than wood. We would like to set this dome on either a 15 foot block wall or 15 foot geodesic metal frame which will act as an above groud basement. So far the only companies who seem to offer this structure on our internet searches are companies geared to industrial uses. Does anyone out there have any recommendations? Also, am interested in information on financing for kit homes and any experiences others have had with obtaining building permits, etc. for this type of kit home... Thank you, T. F.and Deborah Kaesemeyer ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:10:34 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Metal Framed Geodesic Kit Homes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Deborah, See "Domes/Manufacturers/..." http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Dome-Dt.htm Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah J Kaesemeyer" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Metal Framed Geodesic Kit Homes > Hello! > > I want to build a 50 foot diameter geodesic dome home > as a family project. We are interested in purchasing > a kit that has a metal frame with some type of cladding > other than wood. > > We would like to set this dome on either a 15 foot block > wall or 15 foot geodesic metal frame which will act as > an above groud basement. > > So far the only companies who seem to offer this structure > on our internet searches are companies geared to industrial > uses. Does anyone out there have any recommendations? > > Also, am interested in information on financing for kit homes > and any experiences others have had with obtaining building > permits, etc. for this type of kit home... > > Thank you, > T. F.and Deborah Kaesemeyer > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:12:33 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: FWD: Late competition and conference announcement Comments: cc: domesteading@bootstrap.sculptors.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Got this in the "geodesic-request" box, so I don't think it made it to the main list. Also CC'ing to domesteading... Looks interesting. Pat ------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:44:55 -0800 From: Randolph Monroe Fritz To: tasman@ap.buffalo.edu, aia@aiaportland.com, architecture.guide@about.c om, karinw@arch.kth.se, ingrid_whitehead@mcgraw-hill.com, info@architecturemag.com, cnuinfo@cnu.org, mario.cipresso@deathbyarch.com, aiaonline@aiamail.aia.org, arcology-owner@eGroups.com, archistuds-owner@eGroups.com, CNU-request@LSV.UKY.EDU, GEODESIC-request@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU, LARCH-L-request@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU, conversation-request@crest.org, greenbuilding-request@crest.org, suburbs-owner@listbot.com, requests@n2town.com Subject: Late competition and conference announcement - --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sixth Annual Eco-Design Arts Conference >THE ECOLOGY OF HOME< April 13-16, 2000 H.O.P.E.S. is an interdisciplinary student organization dedicated to creating sustainable communities and environments. Each year we host the Eco Design Arts Conference at the University of Oregon's School of Architecture and Allied Arts. It is an opportunity for participants to network, collaborate, and share ideas about the relationships between design and ecology. Events include workshops, lectures, panel discussions, exhibitions, a design charette, and more. This year's H.O.P.E.S. conference will strive to bring sustainability into the mainstream of our culture. It will provide a forum for sharing local solutions to global problems by celebrating grassroots efforts around the country and around the world. We will use our home, Eugene, Oregon, as a model to explore the challenges facing the diverse and spirited communities that are at a crossroads of environmental change. As citizens, designers, artists, and visionaries, we all play active roles in shaping the livability and sustainability of our communities. We invite you to bring your own stories, experiences, and ideas to the conference. We believe that your solutions can lead the world towards realizing a new and continued commitment to the places we call home. For more information, contact: H.O.P.E.S. School of Architecture and Allied Arts 5249 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-5249 (541) 346-0719 hopes@laz.uoregon.edu http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~hopes Link to us! Add the following HTML to your web page: HOPES door

Holistic Options for Planet Earth Sustainability - --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="competition_announcement.txt" DESIGN CHALLENGE H.O.P.E.S., Holistic Options for Planet Earth Sustainability, an ecological design arts conference, is seeking design entries in accordance with this year's theme: THE ECOLOGY OF HOME Ecological solutions must be brought into the mainstream of places, politics and planning. This years HOPES conference provides a forum for sharing local solutions to global problems by celebrating grassroots efforts around the country and around the world. We will use our home, Eugene, Oregon, as a model to explore the challenges facing the diverse and spirited communities that are at the crossroads of environmental change. As citizens, designers, artists and visionaries, we all play active roles in shaping the livability and sustainability of our communities. We invite you to bring your own stories, experiences and ideas to our conference. We believe that your solutions can lead the world towards realizing a new and continued commitment to the places we call home. THE CHALLENGE HOPES would like to celebrate and recognize your efforts in bringing ecological solutions into communities. + IF YOU have a design, idea, solution-in-progress, program or brainchild that will (or has) positively affected your ecological community; + IF YOU believe that other communities can learn from your idea; and, + IF YOU want others to know about your ideas on the future of ecological thinking for our communities; + THEN WE want to see what you are doing! This design competition is open to EVERYONE: groups, individuals, architects, designers, artists, planners, students, teachers, ... anyone who makes it their goal to bring ecological action to the forefront of community life. THE PRIZE First Place: $500 award Second Place: $250 award All winning entries will be displayed in the University of Oregon's School of Architecture and Allied Arts and will be submitted to journals around the country for publishing. SUGGESTIONS It is our belief that even small efforts make a huge difference. It is our intention that all disciplines feel comfortable submitting entries to this challenge. We strongly suggest that your entry: 1. Clearly presents your SOLUTION to a universal ecological PROBLEM. 2. Describes your solution with graphics (drawings, pictures, diagrams, & labels) and integrated text. Make it readable for any audience. 3. Identifies a NEED for similar solutions in other communities. 4. Shows pride in its potential and its reality. INVITED JURORS Patrick Condon - William A. McDonough - Clare Cooper Marcus RULES & LOGISTICS Whatever your project is, we want to see it. There will be no presentations, so your project must speak for itself. Your entry will be reviewed by a jury of artists, architects,landscape architects, planners and interested students during the weekend of the H.O.P.E.S. Conference. There is an entry fee of $25.00 for students and $75.00 for firms and professionals. Design Challenge participants will also receive a $10.00 discount on their conference entry fee. 1. All projects must be submitted on no more than TWO 24 x 36 boards. 2. Entries MUST address the theme: The Ecology of Home 3. Submit relevant contact information (ie name, address, phone number, email, fax) in a sealed envelope attached to the back of the entry. Please do not put your name on the front of the presentation. 4. Return postage and packaging must be included if you would like your entry returned. (NOTE: Winning entries will be retained for three months for publication and display.) 5. All entries must be received by April 7, 2000. Submit entries to: H.O.P.E.S Design Challenge University of Oregon School of Architecture and Allied Arts Lawrence Hall 5249 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-5249 Send questions to: Maren Zieba, Design Challenge Coordinator H.O.P.E.S. Office (541) 346-1709 hopes@laz.uoregon.edu Link to us! Add the following HTML to your web page: HOPES door

Holistic Options for Planet Earth Sustainability - --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- ------- End of Forwarded Message Pat ___________________Think For Yourself____________________ Patrick G. Salsbury - http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ Fuel Cells: Electricity for home, car, or business. 0% emmissions, 0% charge-time. - http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Fuel-Cells/ --------------------------------------------------------- "The Sony Vaio machines have replaced the impersonal and unhelpful Microsoft error messages with their own Japanese haiku poetry. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Windows NT crashed. I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 08:45:02 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: General Science <> Brian Q. Hutchings 26-MAR-2000 8:45 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us 12:678) GENERAL SCIENCE Brian Hutchings 23-MAR-20 14:28 ... and every parallelopiped is inscribed by a pair of "twin" tetrahedra; every tetrahedron (and its twin) is circumcribed (outscribed) by a parallelopiped. - - - - - 12:679) GENERAL SCIENCE Dragons in Dungeons 24-MAR-20 11:46 I'm pretty sure that is correct... --Trim the Bushes! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 08:48:39 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Q-P] saving water <> Brian Q. Hutchings 26-MAR-2000 8:48 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Subject: Re: [Q-P] saving water MESSAGE from =PorchGreg@AOL.COM 22-MAR-2000 10:06 << In our house we've never had a dishwasher and we've always used a dish because that's how I grew up. I >> Although I don't have a dishwasher (my house is too old), the dishwashers currently on the market use much less water then washing by hand does, if fill the dishwasher completely before running it the dishwasher is many t more effecient then hand washing. Dishwashers are able to use less water pumping the same water through the jets and a filtering screen over and o again. Greg Austin Newtown Square Monthly Meeting - - - - - <> Brian Hutchings 22-MAR-2000 10:31 well, one can use very little water, by hand, as well! greywateris fine, butit's proably better to put it through a sandfilter, firstly, if not a flowform; the sand actually forms a biological skin (*schmutzdrek* in German .-) --Trim the Bushes! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:09:32 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: I can't believe you didn't mention your hero... <> Brian Q. Hutchings 27-MAR-2000 11:09 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us you mean, my Fearless Leader ?!? I'll try to portray what his stances are on these things. we certainly want to get ri of the death penalty, perhaps with notably "Republican" exceptions. NAFTA would immediately be consigned to the electronic garbage collction o'history, which is within the power of the President, I think. we support universal healthcare, with a particular historical emphaisis upon the Hill-Burton Act (which is still on the books, I think .-) we support *different* "Pentagon" spending. handguns & "assault" weapons are not the problem, but violence in the media & video games certainly are *training* a whole generation to be EZ-killas; see the March 17 issue of EIR: the speech by Helga --e.g.re Pokemon!-- and the interview with Lt.Col. (ret.) Grossman. we support the immediate removal of sanctions againt Iraq, and certainly do not support Blair-and-Gore's warcriminal attitude toward what was the most progressive Arabic nation, til Maggie-and-George's "Thyroid Storm". I'm not sure aboput Cubaa, but it is important to note that Castro is not some benevolent philosopher-king, but the head of the Sao Paolo Forum; eh? we won't cut taxes per se, but will use them in the way that other *drigiste* administrations have, meaning not what Wall Street's paiod-for drueling candidates, Gore, Bush, Bradley, McCain would do, with their fervent belief in "free" trade & globalization. thus quoth: Given the same shorthand, where stands your Mr. LaRouche? --Dan Clark now, you can see why, the DNC is so afraid of us, and why Gore/Bradely would not debate with us; so? > --The Duke of Oil! > http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:50:57 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: -- <> Brian Q. Hutchings 27-MAR-2000 11:50 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, I love to sound like a Neandertal --see the latest issue of *Sci.Am.*!-- but I have to wonder how many of those pollees beleive *only* in the "literal" Devil-guy, or if that adjective was even used in the trick-question (so, I'm cynical .-) on the other hand, Chomsky probably does believe that. unfortunately, the "Enlightenment" has horribly poisoned the waters of any rational view of the metaphor of Creation, vis-a-vu the platonic investigation of the work of creation, such that Galileo is considered to have been a more-than-mildly-put-upon "scientist," and the "theory" of evolution is used as little-more than a justification of *social* darwinism -- exactly as intended by Darwin and his cousin, Galton: http://www.tarply.net/deadhand.htm thus quoth: their takeover of the Texas state school board show (and Texas is the second largest purchaser of school texts in the United States today) now *that* is terrifying, by itself! --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:54:43 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: King Dome, Buckyballs etc. (plus errata) <> Brian Q. Hutchings 27-MAR-2000 11:54 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I'm glad you qulified that, barely. to coin a phrase, This is the best of all possible solar systems, and ET bombardments are not that liekly, unless Her Grey (Alien) Emminence, Betty Dos, has the technology to *aim* them at us republicans -- nasty "lady" !?! thus quoth: Speaking of errata, I also misrepresented the time elapsed since that dino-killer asteroid with the ET buckyballs presumably reached our planet: should have said 65 million --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:32:02 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Q-P] -- <> Brian Q. Hutchings 28-MAR-2000 7:32 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Chomsky believes that most readers of the Bible believe only in the literal (English) meaning(s) -- and that he is not a Yahoo! (tm). (as a not-quite-self-professed Fabian, he is almost the exactly technical definition of Swift's coinage: a rutting British Subject .-) as for Darwin, we consider him to have been more of a social engineer, than a scientist or naturalist, since these social constructs were quite prevalent in feudal society; if you will, a scientific apologist for the oligarch. later, Galton attempted to parameterize this stuff, much as we now have "Stanford 9" and "Reading at 9" (here in LATimes-land) and the worship of Number Nine.... (the article by Lyn may be on www.larouchepub.com .-) anyway, I still thank Dr.Noam for Algol 68! --The duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:47:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: DNC Violates VRA -- don't tell anyone! <> Brian Q. Hutchings 28-MAR-2000 7:47 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us SUBJECT: Bad Morning, America! MESSAGE from ="List 20-MAR-20 14:11 <> Brian Q. Hutchings 20-MAR-2000 13:56 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Dear Editor; We know the need of a struggling paper --of real biomass!-- to recycle stuff that is syndicated by the wires, or established "papers of record;" that's just fine. However, as entertaining as the piece from the New Yawk Times was, the accuracy of the title as a metaphor was belied by the typical attitude for a day at the horsey races, and lack of substance. "The Morning After," one is left with the dire need of the political equivalent of the morning-after PILL, like RU-x86, to flush-away the idea that we are stuck with these two, bad clowns, Dumber and Dumbest. To put it bluntly, it ain't true, and this paper could be amongst the first to break that news! Of course, I realize that most of you in Journalism already feel, the hot-bad-breath'd kiss o'death already puckering at you, leeringly obscene, for breaking this taboo; They might even bomb your virtual office! Really, though, it depends upon how you do it, if you have the gumption. The Big News Item is that, not only was there a Democratic Primary in Michigan, it was very strange: the only Democrat won it, of course, after the Democratic National Committee politely asked both Gore and Bradley to petition to have their names removed from the ballot --or else!- and both of them did so, dutifully. This was the last straw for the campai of Bradley, a total capitulation to the apparatchiks of The Party, and Gore The DNC let the word get out that there was NO primary, then turned-aound and said that all Good Dems should hustle into the Open Primary -- and vote for McCain, to put some willies into Dumbes-- I mean, Dubya-est. Now, that is not the worst thing that the DNC has done, this past year, but completely par for the course, thus far in most states, of the elections, and in violation of the Voting Rights Act of 1965: a curse upon a "democratic" party, if there is one! In spite of the bread-and-circuses antics of the RNC and DNC, delegates are not actually beholden to these bodies; the Democratic delegations are not written in granite for eight moths, or, if they are, these virtual tombstones must be toppled, peacefully; we have delegated our authority as voters unto these folks, and we must demand that they follow their consciences, for instance, if they find that they have been misled -- or for some other, good reason. Sincerely, Brian Q. Hutchings ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:24:52 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Bucky development projects Comments: To: advisory committee Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, Bucky did some work in the area of development (city,nation) and I'm wondering if anyone out there has some details about what was done and approaches/techniques used. 1. The Old Man River Project 2. As I remember, perhaps it was from Nine Chains to the Moon, that Bucky did some kind of study/report on/about development in/for a South American country, I think it was Brazil. Any/all info. appreciated. Thanks, Mark ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:31:26 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: -- <> Brian Q. Hutchings 29-MAR-2000 12:31 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us one man's "we" is another man's "They" -- or "US," as the case could be. anyway, I'm referring to the Nat'l Caucus of labor Committees, sometimes erroneously a.k.a. "that notorious Nazi frontgroup!" 1. wihtout actually knowing fully what a Fabian Socialist was, that was my impression of "doctor Moan;" then, I read a similar name-calling in a publication (can't recall if it was "ours" or Theirs/yours, but this is still my impression, after learning more of the Fabians -- more than I need !-) the following is from http://www.larouchepub.com/wells.html: To understand how all this occurred, how the most powerful civilization ever crafted, brought itself, like the fabled {Ozymandias}, to this present point of degradation and self-destruction, listen to a true story which begins with the Sept. 6, 1901 assassination of patriotic U.S. President William McKinley, by an imported terrorist protege of New York's Emma Goldman's Henry Street Settlement House, Leon Czolgosz. The mortal wounding effected by this assassin's attack, an attack steered by self-anointed "tyrannicide" Goldman herself, brought a nasty spawn of the Confederacy, Theodore Roosevelt, into the U.S. Presidency, on Sept. 14, eight days later. About the same time, in England, a pathetic, perverse, but, subsequently, very influential British publicist, Herbert George Wells (1868-1946), escaped from what had been well-deserved obscurity. This Wells would later describe his personal acquaintance and ideological ally, Theodore Roosevelt, aptly, as "The Big Noise of America." (6) That intersection of these two personalities, Wells and Theodore Roosevelt, with the accession of Prince Edward Albert as Britain's King Edward VII, typify a century gone wrong from the start, the century of 1) two World Wars, 2) a terrifying nuclear balance of power, which Wells was the first to propose publicly and widely, beginning 1914, and, 3) the recent thirty-odd years of worldwide reign of a global, neo-Malthusian nightmare, the latter another Wells dogma. These three factors, including the two dogmas, the one proposed, the other adopted by Wells, became, significantly through his contributing influence, the principal proximate cause of the presently ongoing worldwide economic-breakdown crisis. Wells' Nuclear Balance of Power In these and other ways, among literate historians and other relevant authorities on the matter, H. G. Wells has notable importance for our understanding the strategic, political, economic, and moral crisis now enveloping this planet. An unlikely candidate for fame and influence? He was, admittedly, like fellow Fabian tribesman George Bernard Shaw, essentially a shallow {poseur}, in the literal sense of the Latin derivation of "vanity": a miserable, invidious, misanthropic wretch, a picaresque eternal lout of immense vanity, of a personal character to be compared, and that not too favorably, with the popular image of a "mafia boss." He was, in short, exactly the sort of lackey the British oligarchy would employ and cultivate to do a particularly nasty bit of thuggery. From the time of this English {Sparafucile}'s rocketting out of obscurity, at the beginning of this century, he is to be compared with the notorious textbook case of Typhoid Mary; like her, incontestably a figure who has, in his time, radiated a certain unpleasant influence. To appreciate Wells' high-ranking, and generally rising importance in relevant world events, during the interval 1901-1939, think of him as, like Adolf Hitler, or his fellow-criminal Bertrand Russell, a carrier of what has proven to be an extremely virulent strain of cultural syphilis.(7) Wells did not destroy our civilization by himself; but, he played a key, and exemplary part, as a tissue in which the relevant killer-strain of infection was cultured and disseminated. Both Wells' depraved admirers and the populist's typically associative, Hobbesian view of a "world government conspiracy," treat Wells, and other lackeys of his type, as either admirable, or despicable geniuses. Wells was no genius; his talent was, as he implictly describes himself, a man with a pimp's insight into the susceptibility of a depraved clientele's not-so-hidden private sexual fantasies.(8) In each case an influential idea is attributed to Wells, whether by devotees or detractors, we discover that no such originality ever existed. His role was never that of a discoverer of principles; indeed, there is nothing of principle in Wells' vocabulary. Wells was not an inventor, but, rather, a publicist, a man like Dick Morris, the recently notorious cousin of the late Roy M. Cohn, a pathetic creature who turned his pimp's instinct for the sexual perversities of a general public, into a public-relations career. This is a crucial point, so we should add a few more relevant observations on the distinction we have just made. For example, Wells' writes: "The {New Machiavelli}(9) is all the world away from overt eroticism. The theme...stressed the harsh incompatibility of wide public interests with the high, swift rush of imaginative passion--with considerable sympathy for the passion. ...I was not indulging myself and the world in artistic pornography or making an attack upon anything I considered moral. ...I was releasing, in these books, a long accumulation of suppression. I was working out the collateral problems with an ingenuous completeness ... In a world where pressure on the means of subsistence was a normal condition of life, it was necessary to compensate for the removal of traditional sexual restraints, and so my advocacy of simple and easy love-making had to be supplemented by an adhesion to the propaganda of the Neo-Malthusians. This I made in my {Anticipations} (1900)(10) and continued to write plainly on that subject in a period when Neo-Malthusianism was by no means the respectable movement it has become."(11) eh-heh! 2. I mistyped. doctor Moan is more of the Hnynym, or however it was spelled, if they were supposed to represent the aristocracy. rather, whoever'd be their apolgists, however well-meant or "radical" -- well, I should have a better formulation, I guess -- and that may be what Orwell was, also: if you think of these writings less as criticism, and more like scripting; eh? 3. "rutting British Subject" is more evocative of, say, soccer hooligans than the average Joe English, but it is only the metaphoric extreme of the general problem of the system of World Empire. as for Darwin's "engineering," that article is on the same site but I couldn't find it. here is a related footnote, though: 3.In presenting his famous work, Charles Darwin explained that he had arranged his data to fit the dogma of Thomas Malthus' 1798 Essay, which, in turn, had originally been advanced to promote the British government's policies for increasing the death-rates among Britain's "useless eaters": through proposed, Gingrich-like repeal of the Elizabethan "Poor Laws." Malthus, in turn, had cribbed his doctrine from the English translation of Giammaria Ortes' 1790 Reflessioni sulla Popolazione della Nazioni. After a Club of Rome project, The Limits to Growth (Washington, D.C.: Potomac Associates, 1972), authored by a group of Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)-based charlatans, Donnella and Dennis Meadows and Jay Forrester, had been exposed as a hoax, the present-day international neo-Malthusian cult, headed by Prince Philip and Prince Bernhard's World Wildlife Fund, during the course of the 1980s, dumped the untenable crudity of Malthus' plagiarism, to revive Ortes' orginal argument for "carrying capacity." See Webster G. Tarpley, "Giammaria Ortes and the Venetian Hoax of Carrying Capacity," New Federalist, June 20, 1994. sorry, dudes-and-dudettes@MIT.edu! (see http://www.larouchepub.com/descent_to_bush.html) thus quoth: 1. Chomsky is a "not-quite-self-professed Fabian"? What makes you think so? 2. A "not-quite-self-professed Fabian" is what Swift meant by "Yahoo"? What makes you think so? 3. What do you mean by "a rutting British Subject"? Was, say, George Orwell "a rutting British Subject"? --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:45:41 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Bucky development projects MESSAGE from ="List 29-MAR-2000 11:06 Hi, Bucky did some work in the area of development (city,nation) and I'm wondering if anyone out there has some details about what was done and approaches/techniques used. 1. The Old Man River Project 2. As I remember, perhaps it was from Nine Chains to the Moon, that Bucky did some kind of study/report on/about development in/for a South American country, I think it was Brazil. Any/all info. appreciated. Thanks, Mark - - - - - <> Brian Hutchings 29-MAR-2000 12:45 r007883@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us both are covered in _Critical Path_, if not extenisvely! --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:10:03 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: VERTIGOES (Please, Al, Retire !-) <> Brian Q. Hutchings 29-MAR-2000 14:10 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Vertigines, or Keep Al's Dragons in Dungeons (Things That You May Know about the Veep) by Brian Q.Hutchings (Copyr.February, 2000) This short essay is aimed at the folks at Digitial Domain, one of the premiere special-effects houses -- that is to say, cubicles-full of programmers & their "farms" of computers -- in Venice, where Gore spoke about the wonders of the New Information Age. (Apparently, some in management were hoping to inspire a bunch of allegedly apolitical hackers with a strident patriotism, based upon "one of their own" telling them, what they wanted to hear in spades.) Hollywood Gore FX ad vomitorium gigantum; bread-and-circuses on the Romantic/Venetian model?) Let's start with blazers blasting. Founding the "D" analog of Gingrich's Congressional Clearinghouse on the Future, Gore was not only just sucked into Alvin Toffler's Third Wave/Way/Whatever crappola with Newt, who was Al's "best friend" in Congress -- the very idea of post-industrialism, as if industry was supposed to do-away with the family farm, or agriculture in general -- but went into the coolest fridge of futurology, to get a lick of the so-called remote-viewing experiments at Stanford Research Intl. (SRII); in other words, he got brain-frozen by a bunch o'deluded spooks, or victims of the "softserv" side of MK-ultra.... POKeMON (tm) for Bigger Kids? This is the same folks, along with the Mother of All Thinktanks, the "WAND" Corp., that gave us the doctrine, (via Kissinger, MacNamara, Chomsky et al) of Mutually Assured Destruction, and are now promoting the bogus, "off-shelf," ballistical version of Lyn's SDI, which was rightfully belittled as Star Wars. (These goons'd hijacked SDI, as soon as Reagan had announced it.) Now, this missile-on-missile paradigm is known as the Nuclear Missile Defence, and is really nothing but a causus beli for those countries that the CFR, Trilats, "WAND" et al habitually designate as "rogue nations" for their Great Game of geopolitiques.... POKeMON for Wee Adults? Ominously, the Veep seems to be in a rage. Somehow, most of the President's Cabinet came, for this trigger-finger context, to be the choices of Gore, as Congress managed to shoot-down all of Clinton's people; these folk, Secretary of State Albright, the playboy Secretary of Defense et al et sic Al -- with the sole exceptions having been Sandy Burger and Robert Rubin -- are the ones who have formally manipulated Clinton into his worst continuance of the ugly follies, foreign and domestic, of the Bush Administration(s -- de facto: consider his almost-complete coup of EO#12333, in complete control of the NSC "loop" -- and most covert operations, in & out of government: see http://www.tarpley.net/bushint.htm). It has been this so-called Principals Committee, chaired by the insolent Veep, that has kept Saddam in his role as a virtual Nebuchadnezzer, as shamelessly instigated by Thatcher and Bush, now by Blair and Gore. "Hey, George-- er, Bill; let's you and Saddam, boogie!" A vertiginous aspect of Gore's reality is, ultralinearized mathematical modelling is inadequate to deal with Universe -- and computers can make it spin, badly. A case in point: there is simply a giant conceptual chasm between the programs that forecast global weather, a month-or-so in advance, and the "GCMs" that are supposed to guess, what is happenning with the climate; the ad hoc assumptions in both instances are incompatible!... For instance, there is no model of "mesoscale eddies" in either ocean or air, on the GCMs; one has only to ask of the UNIPCC et al, with their consensual "science," How big is meso?, to see the rampant principle of theory, ignoring the maelstrom of the (non-urban-heat-islanded) ground-data, and from satellites: garbage up; garbage down? Or, the satellite data is abused, as in the junkscience of the "hole" in the ozone -- back the TOMS tape up a bit, to see the round shadow of polar night, but only from'78!... But how does the Times-Mirror Corp. cover this?... Look at their October'98 (?) coverstory in Popular Science, with the 3 godlike pictures of our 3 mortal modellers, and the bad mugshot of doctor S.Fred Singer -- why didn't they mention, Fred was the founder of Computer Professionals for Social Responsiblity (another antinuke cult, alas, spun-off from Helen "The sky is glowing!" Caldicott's), and went on to head the Office of Technology Assesment? (See letter, Science News of Sept.9, 1995. Another example: the golly-gee-whiz sighting-by-satellite of the largest calving iceberg, we've ever seen, instantaneously imprecating that this is a harbinger of the "global" or overall warming, that was the first-off model of Svente Arrhenius, circa 1896 -- the one that does no justice to an ordinary glass house -- without noting that the Ross Ice Shelf, whence it came, is floating on the sea; it can't change sealevel, at all. Besides, how does one know that it doesn't mean, there's greater snowfall on Antarctica -- Rhode-Island-size fall?... Well, mister OTA has a paper on it !-) So, these simulacra are treated as Oracles by the mainstream science press, thence channelled to the levellest common denominator, as with Art Bell's "Ghost to Ghost, AM" and his bevy of remote-viewing, nostradamusizing MK-ultra "graduates" and/or followers of the Cult of Isis. (The same Texas M&A syndicate also owns the billboards in the airspace; truckers, beware of interactivity !-) Even so, the misbegotten study of Chaos (the mother of Chronos!), which has become paradigmatic in computer science (as a reification of statistical measures of uncertainty have become in quantum theory; viz, the frothing virtual barf of zero-point energy, a la the "Copenhagen" cult), is belied by the benchmark: the floating-point (IEEE-755) standard is a March'80 article in Computer, diversely implimented on chips; thus, the "magnification" of fractals is inherently chaotic, with artifacts such as the "universality of the M-set," as confirmed by monsieur M., at Royce Hall, UCLA, y.a.... We now have the phrase, Creative dependence upon intermediate cognition! (tm) [I've been unable to find a supposed successor standard, IEE-855.] Vertigoes?: http://www.larouchepub.com/gore_war_2614.html http://www.larouchepub.com/rosenblatt_stimson_2611.html http://www.larouchepub.com/lar_go_with_flow_2546.html Calf o'the iceberg?: http://www.larouchepub.com/wells.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:10:19 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: VERTIGOES (Please, Al, Retire !-) In-Reply-To: <200003292210.OAA27674@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > benchmark: the floating-point (IEEE-755) standard is a March'80 article in > Computer, diversely implimented on chips; thus, the "magnification" of FRACTINT (freeware fractal software) doesn't use floating point math (or is able not to, if you don't have an FPU). Wondering how this fits (or doesn't) with your paradigm. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:54:48 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Siegmund Subject: Re: Bucky development projects In-Reply-To: <200003292045.MAA27452@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks! > From: Brian Hutchings > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:45:41 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Bucky development projects > > MESSAGE from ="List 29-MAR-2000 11:06 > Hi, Bucky did some work in the area of development (city,nation) and I'm > wondering if anyone out there has some details about what was done and > approaches/techniques used. > > 1. The Old Man River Project > 2. As I remember, perhaps it was from Nine Chains to the Moon, that Bucky > did some kind of study/report on/about development in/for a South American > country, I think it was Brazil. > > Any/all info. appreciated. > > Thanks, > Mark > - - - - - > > <> Brian Hutchings 29-MAR-2000 12:45 > r007883@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > both are covered in _Critical Path_, if not extenisvely! > > --The Duke of Oil! > http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:39:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: VERTIGOES (Please, Al, Retire !-) <> Brian Q. Hutchings 30-MAR-2000 9:39 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us that was a purposeful "mystaque," in that I don't know that doctor Moan had anything to do with MAD -- just because he was at "WAND". certainly, MacNamara and Kissinger did, the latter as a spiritual acolyte of Metternich, the former as an operative of the Ford Foundation. they are not 3 of a kind, and there's no other threesies in poker! thus quoth: In all my years I've never once seen the list "Kissinger, MacNamara, Chomsky et al." Is there some sort of reasoning I have seen more glass "valves" in the USA, than metal tubes, but Roswell has since saved us from this dystinction (except for those ungrateful rockers .-) the reference to hyperlinearized models is probably inexact; I don't know any fluiddynamics, but almost enough about the global circulation models (GCMs) to wonder, how they can possibly give confidence to these predictions -- especially when they veer so far from the telemeterized data. the reference to mesoscale eddies -- there *is* work on them, I recently read -- serves to show the common problem of forecasting & blue-skying GCMs, whereas the "chasm" between the 2 sorts of models is merely inferred, whether or not the use of linear differential equations predominates amongst them. thus quoth: What do you mean by "ultralinearized mathematical modelling"? floating-point ops are the workhorse of numerical analysis, but there is plenty of literature about their "rounding" errors, including an excellent one re "chaos" from Cambridge U. Press (of'95, I think; name was McCarthy orlike that). I have assumed (but never tested) that "arbitrary-precission" arithmeticware will, for instance, get rid of the "mini-M-sets" in the Mandelbrot set, because there is no neccesary reason for them in the continuum of the "real" numbers -- however long, it might take. in any case, the complex plane serves to highlight these artifacts, the sufficiency of which is given by the "seed" of rounding-off, going into the next "magnification;" there is a (e.g.) an 80-bit register that is variously chopped. according to the implimentation of IEEE-755 (and -855, reputedly). most workstations had (have?) a "single-" and "double-precission" setting, normally left on double, it seems, in the virtual lab (at UCSC's CS Dept., they did, and also refused to see if changing it'd make a difference .-) thus quoth: > benchmark: the floating-point (IEEE-755) standard is a March'80 article in > Computer, diversely implimented on chips; thus, the "magnification" of FRACTINT (freeware fractal software) doesn't use floating point math (or is able not to, if you don't have an FPU). Wondering how this fits (or doesn't) with your paradigm. the article, http://www.larouchepub.com/wells.html, makes it clear, Wells was a "fellow Fabian tribesman" or member of the Round Table?... once you grok the role of Bertrand Russell in working with Kruschev to create the "Cuban missile crisis" --of course unknown to Pres.Kennedy-- you can begin to see the broadest outlines of Wells' "open conspiracy" (some parts of which are more open, than others !-) Chomsky and Orwell are not conscious apologists for the oligarch, but fit harmlessly within their purview, since they don't address it, except as a faceless adjunct to supranational corporations. at least, Chomsky is conversant with the CFR, Trilats etc., if not with their oligarchical origins; that is, with the scriptwriters for the Open Conspiracy (the heavy-breathers of literature .-) thus quoth: I don't quite understand what you're saying here. Chomsky is an apologist for the aristocracy? And Orwell might have been the same? Is _this_ the case you're trying to argue? --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushint.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:59:54 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Q-P] Why Were Gov't Propaganda Experts Working on News A t C <> Brian Q. Hutchings 30-MAR-2000 9:59 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us re my essay, "Vertigenes" --an implicit reference to the internal world of the Littleton killers-- and the linear model of "Limits to Growth," has quite a bibliography of oligarchical fore-runners, which we amply describe. thus quoth: >From this excerpt I can only infer that the author(s) never read or understood _The_Limits_to_Growth_. (By the way, that Venetian was a monk named Gianmaria Ortis.) > sorry, dudes-and-dudettes@MIT.edu! Do you feel a need to apologize? Why? re THIS topic, Ted Turner has shown himself to the perfect foil for psyops, in reticulating Ted Roosevelt's version of his imperialism, in one of his TNN productions, "The Rough Rider"; if you believe that ****, you can eat it, two! thus quoth: and written by an Army officer ("Military Operations in the CNN World: Using the Media as a Force Multiplier") urged military commanders to find ways to --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net/bushint.htm