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(Can be in the same message.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (You may want to save this file to forward on to people who are interested, as it tells what the list is about, and how to subscribe and unsubscribe.) Pat _____________________________Think For Yourself______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 05:16:19 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: marksomers Subject: Photovoltalics and misc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D1FD.DB139A80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D1FD.DB139A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PG and E case study: Photovoltaics. http://www.eren.doe.gov/pv/utilitycase.html Plutonium handling: Gee wiz a contest! You think the government would = let me buy some plutonium so I could experiment with it and win 3,000.00 = dollars, maybe? http://www.bullatomsci.org/ Hydrogen. http://www.eren.doe.gov/hydrogen/ ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D1FD.DB139A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
PG and E case study: = Photovoltaics.
 
http://www.eren.doe.= gov/pv/utilitycase.html
 
Plutonium handling: Gee wiz a contest! = You think=20 the government would let me buy some plutonium so I could experiment = with it and=20 win 3,000.00 dollars, maybe?
 
http://www.bullatomsci.org/
 
Hydrogen.
 
http://www.eren.doe.gov/hydrog= en/
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D1FD.DB139A80-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 06:17:12 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: marksomers Subject: fuel cell stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D206.5C322200" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D206.5C322200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://education.lanl.gov/resources/fuelcells/ ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D206.5C322200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://education.= lanl.gov/resources/fuelcells/
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D206.5C322200-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 05:25:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Photovoltalics and misc. <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 01-MAY-2001 5:25 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us argh. firstly, this site promotes the stupid idea that hyrogen is a fuel (that makes electricity, with which one can generate more hydrogen -- this thought is hard to get out of folks' heads ... parenthetically, you can also grow hemp under those PVs; just ask Amory Lovins in his "mountain hide-away," and he'll hook you "up" with the superefficient lighting !-) the Bulletin idea is just a joke, although they are certainly hellbent on the idea that fission is bad, bad, bad, bad -- unpleasant!... it's 9 minutes til midnight; do you know where your atomic scientist is? thus quoth: PG and E case study: Photovoltaics. http://www.eren.doe.gov/pv/utilitycase.html Plutonium handling: Gee wiz a contest! You think the government would = let me buy some plutonium so I could experiment with it and win 3,000.00 = dollars, maybe? http://www.bullatomsci.org/ Hydrogen. http://www.eren.doe.gov/hydrogen/ --Les Dukes d'Enron! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 05:31:02 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: fuel cell stuff <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 01-MAY-2001 5:31 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us clearly, the most important thing about batteries, like fuelcells, is that they can be used with regenerative braking, as far as cars go. it is important to note, though, that a fuelcell can be considered to bbe an "internal combustion engine," albeit more of a solid-state job. indeed, there are "air-fuel" fuelcells, as well as ones that could use oxygen, internally. once again, a site seems to imply that the fuelcell is a source of fuel -- doh! http://education.lanl.gov/resources/fuelcells/ --Les Dukes d'Enron! >http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:58:57 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 'Bill' 'Eagleton' Subject: Re: Photovoltalics and misc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > it's 9 minutes til midnight; > do you know where your atomic scientist is? > --Les Dukes d'Enron! *Atomic battery to turbines"........................... (Get the "lead" out? LOL, ewwwwwwwww... ) BillSF9c __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 05:38:25 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Bush and May Day <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 01-MAY-2001 5:38 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us these folks are just lying. if they really wanted, as they say from their meetings with warmists, to address the issue, then they'd actually say that they're putting an especial premium on nuclear stuff, and not go balls-out with coal 'and every thing.' yesterday's LATimes had an excellent article on the existing law (partially fulfilled, to day, by FERC) regarding "market power" and the utilities, which fully justifies the FERC's lattitude in setting reasonable prices. it also had a page-one poll, allegedly showing that folks don't approve of the hegelian dialectic, "it's either the environemnt or the economy, Stupid," but apparently agree with that!... it was unusual, in that it listed the full text of the questions, so, you gotta go, Hm. thus quoth: (huge numbers of Republicans in particular have trouble with linear equations, and find exponentials beyond their capability--when they calculate how long a certain energy source is available, they simply divide incorrectly), but I suspect that Cheney et al have philosophical opposition to reducing energy--when Bush wrote the 4 Republicans to tell them that he was ignoring his carbon dioxide promise, they had expressed most unhappiness well, that was nasty! --Les Dukes d'Enron! >http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:24:03 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: marksomers Subject: Hemp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D263.84654B00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D263.84654B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't Bogart that crop futures report ............ hand it over to me.=20 Seems as though the Montana Governor has signed the Hemp law here. ( = Which in itself is unbelievable ...... as in Sir Marc Racicot defender = of the Bush Florida legal position ( Racicot endorsed the newby Gov... ) = I'll see if I can find an online copy of the law. The registration = number is SB261 ....=20 If the food and boils administration reclasses Hemp then the growing of = the stuff would be a much needed shot in the arm for the ag industry = here. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D263.84654B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't Bogart that crop futures = report=20 ............  hand it over to me.
 
 
Seems as though the Montana Governor = has signed the=20 Hemp law here. ( Which in itself is unbelievable ...... as in Sir Marc = Racicot=20 defender of the Bush Florida legal position ( Racicot endorsed the newby = Gov...=20 ) I'll see if I can find an online copy of the law. The registration = number is=20 SB261 ....
 
 
 
If the food and boils administration = reclasses Hemp=20 then the growing of the stuff would be a much needed shot in the arm for = the ag=20 industry here.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D263.84654B00-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:35:01 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Windworks Book Comments: To: barney7chaplin@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0D2E2.C78073E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0D2E2.C78073E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Mr Chaplin, You will have to contact Hans Meyer, the former President of Windworks = (which changed its name to Omnion in 1985). See = http://milwaukee.bcentral.com/milwaukee/stories/1998/06/29/story8.html If that doesn't work try searching one of the used book web sites; see = bottom of page: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/1Biblio.htm It's going to be a hard one to find, I think. Good luck, Joe ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Barney Chaplin" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:21 AM Subject: Inquiry about Windmill Design Manual by Bucky . . . Please. > To Joe S. Moore, >=20 > Today I have visited your web site: > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/index.html >=20 > And I'm hoping that you will take a moment of you time to > reply to this email address as I'm very interested in the > following book that was mentioned: > _25 Foot Diameter Sail Windmill Design Manual_.=20 > by Staff + RBF, 1974, Windworks, city?, state?, USA >=20 > Any suggestions about how I could obtain this book or any > information from it? > Once again your help would be very much appreciated thank > you. >=20 > Regards, > Barney. >=20 Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net (new) http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0D2E2.C78073E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Mr Chaplin,
 
You will have to contact Hans Meyer, the former President of = Windworks=20 (which changed its name to Omnion in 1985).  See http://milwaukee.bcentral.com/milwaukee/stories/1998/06/29/story8.= html
If that doesn't work try searching one of the used book web sites; = see=20 bottom of page: http://www.cr= uzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/1Biblio.htm
 
It's going to be a hard one to find, I think.
Good luck,
 
Joe
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Barney Chaplin" <barney7chaplin@yahoo.com>=
To: <joemoore@cruzio.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:21 AM
Subject: Inquiry about Windmill Design Manual by Bucky . . .=20 Please.

> To Joe S. Moore,
>
> Today I have visited your = web=20 site:
> http://www.cruzio.com= /~joemoore/index.html
>=20
> And I'm hoping that you will take a moment of you time = to
> reply=20 to this email address as I'm very interested in the
> following = book that=20 was mentioned:
> _25 Foot Diameter Sail Windmill Design = Manual_.=20
> by Staff + RBF, 1974, Windworks, city?, state?, = USA
>=20
> Any suggestions about how I could obtain this book or = any
>=20 information from it?
> Once again your help would be very much = appreciated=20 thank
> you.
>
> Regards,
> Barney.
>=20
Joe S Moore
joemoore@qwest.net (new)
<= A=20 href=3D"http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/">http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore= /
Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0D2E2.C78073E0-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:52:29 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Your Website Comments: To: rduchesnay@iquebec.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0094_01C0D2E5.37FC4FC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C0D2E5.37FC4FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert, It looks great! You've got a lot of pics I've never seen before. Do = you have any color pics? =20 I was sort of wondering where you got them; did you take some of them = yourself? =20 Just for your own info, as long as you don't try to make any money off = your website, it can be considered "educational" and you can use just = about any material from any source under the provisions of the "fair = use" section of the copyright laws. [Ref: http://domeartifacts.com/] [Robert Duchesnay, Montreal] Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net (new) http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C0D2E5.37FC4FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Robert,
 
It looks great!  You've got a lot of pics I've = never seen=20 before.  Do you have any color pics? 
 
I was sort of wondering where you got them;  = did you take=20 some of them yourself? 
 
Just for your own info, as long as you don't try to = make any=20 money off your website, it can be considered "educational" and you can = use just=20 about any material from any source under the provisions of the "fair = use"=20 section of the copyright laws.
 
[Ref: http://domeartifacts.com/]<= /DIV>
[Robert Duchesnay, Montreal]
Joe S Moore
joemoore@qwest.net (new)

http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore= /
Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C0D2E5.37FC4FC0-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 06:22:54 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Re: fuel cell stuff <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 02-MAY-2001 6:22 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us thus quoth: I went to this site and it doesn't claim that at all. It's you were correct; I looked that text over, again, and it was merely a bit pie-in-thte-sky. however, the first page that I found about hydrogen that was linked from it (under "Resources") has this to say: THE ONLINE FUEL CELL INFORMATION CENTER Developed by The fuel cell -- a clean, efficient energy source for all of your power needs. Generating electricity for cars, cell phones, buses, buildings, and whatever else you can think of . . . ***** As seen in the New York Times, January 18, 1999 ***** Special Section "Energy: The Power to Choose" --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 06:39:18 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Bush and May Day <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 02-MAY-2001 6:39 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us scuze me, but there *was* another category, I recalled, in the LATimes poll, something like, "no; both are equally important," given by (?) 14% -- and it was "volunteered!" the "box" gave the usual caustion on "error" and "order of questioning and wording" etc., which is always cause for wonder. however, it is the overall reportage that sucketh, as with today. for instance, 2 of 3 papers that I looked at, said Cheney was in Toronto, and the other datelined to Washington, but *none*n said, what he was doing, there! that was yesterday, along with the announcement of a dysaster- in-the-making, the nomination of a fellow Sconesman to be Ambassador to China (this is a direct link to the Opium War days, via the Russell Trust Assoc. etc.) today, we get the announcment that Oliver "Buck" Revell (of Iran Contra fame, as well as the mandate on the "global" warming funding at the NSF, lo those many years ago -- hm!) the report on the "Energy Panel Supports Relief Bill" for Calif., is next to one about a "cotroversy" about the testing of radioactivity (and "clean-up" etc.) at the Rocketdyne site, all, of course, based upon the screaming over the linear no-threshold ideal. we've got to get the Dems to stop the vast majority of these appointments! --Les Dukes d'Enron! > http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:45:01 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: marksomers Subject: For Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D327.3B277200" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D327.3B277200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 300,000 to 400,000 black berets. Buy now and beat the rush for these high quality berets. Made in ahhh = ...... Chiii ..... errr ... Asia... These are like the one modeled by = the last Commander and Chiefs girlfr........ errrrr friend.....=20 Beat the rush ....... Buy.... Buy ...... Buy ......=20 Sorry DNA samples are extra. Go Army .... and Buy lots of stuff like hell....=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D327.3B277200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
300,000 to 400,000 black = berets.
 
Buy now and beat the rush for these = high quality=20 berets. Made in ahhh ...... Chiii ..... errr ... Asia... These are like = the one=20 modeled by the last Commander and Chiefs girlfr........ errrrr = friend.....=20
 
Beat the rush ....... Buy.... Buy = ...... Buy ......=20
 
Sorry DNA samples are = extra.
 
Go Army .... and Buy lots of stuff like = hell....=20
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0D327.3B277200-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:03:56 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Query (forwarded) Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" Comments: cc: Yosef Dayan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C0D343.04FC7F60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C0D343.04FC7F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Mr Dayan, I don't have anything for sale; however, I am forwarding your query to = two groups that may be able to help you. Also, you may want to browse = through my list of dome manufacturers; see: = http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Dome-Dt.htm (scroll down to = "manufacturers) -------------Quote-------------- Dear Sirs, Our company is located in Israel. We are interested in purchasing a large tent (about 100 or 150 sq. mt). The tent we need must be portable and light enough to be carried from = place to place. It must be easy to build (one or two men should be able = to build it in less than an hour). Do your company has something that fits our needs? We would appreciate you prompt response. Thank you in advance, Tidhar Ltd., Israel --------------Unquote------------- Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C0D343.04FC7F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear=20 Mr Dayan,

I=20 don't have anything for sale; however, I am forwarding your query to two = groups=20 that may be able to help you.  Also, you may want to browse through = my list=20 of dome manufacturers; see: http://www.cru= zio.com/~joemoore/Index/Dome-Dt.htm=20  (scroll down to "manufacturers)

-------------Quote--------------

Dear=20 Sirs,

Our=20 company is located in Israel.

We=20 are interested in purchasing a large tent (about 100 or 150 sq. = mt).

The=20 tent we need must be portable and light enough to be carried from place = to=20 place. It must be easy to build (one or two men should be able to build = it in=20 less than an hour).

Do=20 your company has something that fits our needs?

We=20 would appreciate you prompt response.

Thank=20 you in advance,

Tidhar Ltd., Israel

--------------Unquote-------------

=
Joe S Moore
joemoore@qwest.net
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C0D343.04FC7F60-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:08:14 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Windworks Book Comments: To: OOWON@netscape.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, Thanks for the info re the book by Windworks. I referred him to Hans Meyer, its former President. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Windworks Book > I'm very interested in the > > > following book that was mentioned: > > > _25 Foot Diameter Sail Windmill Design Manual_. > > > by Staff + RBF, 1974, Windworks, city?, state?, USA > > > > > > Any suggestions about how I could obtain this book or any > > > information from it? > > I believe I read this in a college library in 1988. > Try www.37.com... type your city in, find the usually advertised city library, go there, they are usually linked now to all county libraries... If no luck, move over to a nearby county and retry. > > I believe this one used a car rear end differential for bearings and etc. > Not near the theoretical 59% efficiency that a "perfect" windmill might attain, but with multi colored sails, quite a fashion statement. :>) > BillSF9c > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:21:44 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Load-Bearing Capacity Comments: To: The lost one Ray or Bradberry? Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C0D345.818BC980" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C0D345.818BC980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm forwarding your message to two lists that may be able to help you. "I need structural info on load bearing capacity of a dome house." =20 The lost one Ray or Bradberry? Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C0D345.818BC980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm forwarding your message to two lists that = may be able=20 to help you.
 
"I need structural info on load = bearing capacity=20 of a dome house." 
 
The lost one Ray or Bradberry? <the13thchild@webtv.net>
Joe S Moore
joemoore@qwest.net
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore= /
Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C0D345.818BC980-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:04:35 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Travel Pods Comments: To: "Robert G. Chester" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0D3A7.B188B6E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0D3A7.B188B6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Mr Chester, Sorry for not responding sooner; I was off-line for 2 weeks during my = move to Tucson & I am only now catching up on my correspondence. The following are the only references I have about Fuller's Travel Pods = or Pallets concept: "Why Not Roofs Over Our Cities?" by R Buckminster Fuller Think (USA IBM magazine), Jan-Feb 1968, pp 8-11 The same article appears in the book _50 Years of the Design Science Revolution & the World Game_ by R B Fuller, Southern Illinois University, 1969, pp 104-09 "The Age of the Dome" by R Buckminster Fuller Build International (Netherlands mag), July-Aug 1969, 10 pages _Critical Path_ by R B Fuller St Martin's Press, New York, 1981, pp 338 & 341 Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net (new) http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0D3A7.B188B6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Mr Chester,
 
Sorry for not responding sooner; I was off-line for = 2 weeks=20 during my move to Tucson & I am only now catching up on my=20 correspondence.
 
The following are the only references I have about = Fuller's=20 Travel Pods or Pallets concept:
 
"Why Not Roofs Over Our Cities?" by R Buckminster=20 Fuller
Think (USA IBM magazine), Jan-Feb 1968, pp = 8-11
 
The same article appears in the book
_50 Years of the Design Science Revolution & the = World=20 Game_
by R B Fuller, Southern Illinois University, 1969, = pp=20 104-09
 
"The Age of the Dome" by R Buckminster = Fuller
Build International (Netherlands mag), July-Aug = 1969, 10=20 pages
 
_Critical Path_ by R B Fuller
St Martin's Press, New York, 1981, pp 338 &=20 341
 
Joe S Moore
joemoore@qwest.net (new)

http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore= /
Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0D3A7.B188B6E0-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:29:58 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Out-of-Print Bucky Books Comments: To: rcohen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C0D3AB.3D4D0520" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C0D3AB.3D4D0520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Randi, Check out the bottom of my Bibliography page. You'll find links to = several used book sellers. At least one of them probably has what = you're looking for. http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/1Biblio.htm ---------Quote--------- great site! now, might you have any idea as to where i might find these two books??? (I believe they are out of print) -- and you seem to be an = expert on this! 1.- Synergetics Dictionary - The mind of Buckminster Fuller, compiled = and edited by E.J. Applewhite 2.- The Artifacts of R. Buckminster Fuller - A comprehensive collection = of his designs and drawings. thanks! randi cohen --------Unquote------ Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net (new) http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/=20 Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C0D3AB.3D4D0520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Randi,
 
Check out the bottom of my Bibliography page.  = You'll=20 find links to several used book sellers.  At least one of them = probably has=20 what you're looking for.
http://www.cr= uzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/1Biblio.htm
 
---------Quote---------
great site! now, might you have any = idea as to=20 where i might find these
two books??? (I believe they are out of = print) --=20 and you seem to be an expert on this!

1.- Synergetics Dictionary = - The=20 mind of Buckminster Fuller, compiled and edited by E.J. = Applewhite

2.-=20 The Artifacts of R. Buckminster Fuller - A comprehensive collection of = his=20 designs and drawings.

thanks!

randi cohen <rcohen@postbox.acs.ohio= -state.edu>


--------Unquote------
Joe S Moore
joemoore@qwest.net (new)

http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore= / 
Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C0D3AB.3D4D0520-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:15:22 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Bush and May Day <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 03-MAY-2001 9:15 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us [also Re: [Quaker-P] Re: fuel cell stuff] don't forget to put hemp under those e-panels! seriously, the fuelcells are fine batteries for whatever source, including fission or fusion (with possible crossover in using catalytic fusion "both ways," as well); for instance, with a certain ubiquity of electricity in cities, as now, it's not hard to imagine that vehicles could be charged, at the traffic stops. my primary question is (and has been for some time, but no-one's admitted to grokking it) on the nature of "fossil" fuels, which is readily discernible by jettisoning the F-word (for starters .-) sorry, but I forgot to complete my sentence on Revell. his was the last name in a long list in the LATimes, to replace Freeh at the FBI (only the one well-known guy was listed in the NYT). given his role, all the details of shich I forget, in the dumping of overall "cooling" in favor of warming, against the predominating thoughts of climatologists in the 70s -- and very little based upon the 'rectal dysplay unit' of these compurterized "predictions" that are so outlandish -- he is the man they would most want, I suppose, to fill-out the role of Teddy Roosevelt's Bonapartist apparatus, anew (the first Director of the Natl.Bureau was C.Bonaparte, who was instrumental in forcing the agancy on Congress, via an Abscam-like set-up) -- although Freeh was darn good at giving Clinton a Hell of a time! (all that I recall is from the "Solar Age of Ice Age Bulletin," some sort of documentation from the Tree War Assembly, of this conference or meeting where "Buck" laid-out the new parameters o'funding. if anyone wants to follow-up, Don Weaver was the editor, in Burlingame, CA.) thus saith: that was yesterday, along with the announcement of a dysaster- in-the-making, the nomination of a fellow Sconesman to be Ambassador to China (this is a direct link to the Opium War days, via the Russell Trust Assoc. etc.) today, we get the announcment that Oliver "Buck" Revell (of Iran Contra fame, as well also, one other paper that I saw, also gave "Washington" for the source of "PM" Cheney's advisory; what was he doing in Toronto -- is he on the Hollinger board, these days, to replace Sir Henry, perhaps? ----Les Dukes d'Enron! > http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:25:35 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Bush and CTBT <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 03-MAY-2001 9:25 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us yikes; this was the main UNSCOM player, who was running Iraq "events" to dysable Clinton from more important things (meeting with Primakov e.g.). not to say that the Butler neccesarily "does it" with any civility, propriety etc.! Sir Colin's opinions as a former head of the JCS are invalid, since he bent down to the Colonel-in-Chief of the Royal Armed Forces, who did not follow-through on the fore-stroke. that is, Her Upness showed divine mercy to him! thus quoth: Restarting the Nuclear Race By RICHARD BUTLER Reduction of the nuclear threat can best be accomplished directly through arms control and disarmament, not missile defense. --Les Dukes d'Enron! > http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:20:25 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Pennsylvania deregulation <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 03-MAY-2001 13:20 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us oops! thus quoth: Unlike California, restructuring in PJM did not lead to substantial changes in the ownership of generating assets. The majority of the electricity in PJM comes from self-supplied generation of vertically integrated utilities that face retail price caps. The effect of market power will be diminished since firms' incentives to drive up price depend on the degree to which production exceeds their native loads. I find that the PJM spot market had costs exceeding those of a perfectly competitive market by $224 million during the summer of 1999. If similar markups affected demand met with bilateral contracts, my measure of the total cost of market power increases to $827 million. Download this paper in Adobe Acrobat format: http://www.ucei.org/PDF/pwp083.pdf --Les Dukes d'Enron! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:51:25 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: magz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Roger's Connection toys have a new competitor, Magz. www.utoypia.net/construction4.htm They are cheaper and smaller. Very cool. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 03:27:15 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] environmental organizations <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 04-MAY-2001 3:27 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us the most interesting thing was your comment that PCAST had said, NOT to go for deregulation, but seeing that LA DWP mgr.Freeman was the (or one of the chief) architect of "green-e," at Green Cross, along *with* e-dereg, I have to wonder about the alleged shortsightedness of Greenpieces et al (esp. WWF, which has explicit roots in the post-Nazi thoughts of two princes, Philip and Bernhard). mr. Freeman has lately been saying that he's going to take the mantle of FDR, as he should, as a former head of the TVA, but it is an uphill battle aginst the "hardline free traders" of the Administration, and its FTAA/NAtlanticFTA hard-charging (don't think, in the current climate of such belief that Adam Smith was akin to a founding parental unit, in Congress, that the process-fornerly-known-as Fast Track is at all needed, please !-) when you refer to "Rachel," it must mean Carson, whose foremost and successful goal, tha banning of DDT, was a truculent fraud, and still an issue in most countries (because "auge" can occur in England and the USA, two), but was carried-out by the first EPA Administrator, Ruckleshouse, against the bulk of the scienctific studies of the time. when you refer to the "paper versus plastic," you are more than correct on the importance, because the processing of "petroleum" into plastic uses far-less energy, than the processing of trees (hemp, what ever) into paper. perhaps, the former process constitutes fossilization; eh? as for ms. Rider's "real pricing," all of these have been put under near-complete control by the energy cartels, in oppositiion to a dirigist policy of applying a tariff, to benefit both the producers & consumers of the would-be fossilz. so, I'm working on getting the so-called Dems that caved-in to *not* fillibustering Ashcroft (because of his 100% rating in the IT biz, I guesses), to oppose virtually all of the nominees that are in the offing, if they come form the Mont Pelerin Soc. or Federalist Soc. affiliates, most especially, or from Dad's Cabinet cum Iran-contra crew. that, as a wedge to get the President to dump the hole lot of retreads from Dad's and Nixon's Cabinet, as a bunch of unreconstructed 'WAND' Corp. neolib/neocon "neoclassical econ" dupes, and mad geopoliticians like Albright and Rice and Armitage and Perlman etc. ad vomitorium. I will volunteer for janitorial service, in the aftermath !-) thus quoth: groups have strongly and consistently addressed individual behavior. Higher gasoline pricing and "real" pricing is, in my experience, a hallmark of environmentalist messages. --Les Dukes d'Enron! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 03:35:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] [Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: Here Comes the Sun] <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 04-MAY-2001 3:35 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us thus quoth Friedman's article: The hole Ghana has dug itself into is really, really deep. Half of Ghana's government budget goes to pay just the interest on its domestic and foreign debts, accumulated over years of idiotic African Socialism, plunder by leaders and weak governance, compounded by poor oversight by the I.M.F. and World Bank. this is the normative journalistic standard in bearing the tidings of globalisation to free and "socialist 3rd world," which has never quite been lead out of the relation of the empires to their colonies, which is simply called, "liberal" free trade. of course, there is no "objective" journalism, nor science. the other half of the standard, as mouthed aplenty at the summit in Canada, is "democracy;' i.e. Ollie North's Project Democracy, or the Brzezinski's (Trilateral Pres.) "Crisis in Democracy," and so on til one pukes. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/04/opinion/04FRIE.html?ex=989978785&ei=1&en =e258 d77a1f6ca32b --Les Dukes d'Enron! > http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 07:15:30 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Test Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0D533.2B23F8C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0D533.2B23F8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0D533.2B23F8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Joe S Moore
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Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0D533.2B23F8C0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 03:00:46 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: capitalism is an educational blast <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 05-MAY-2001 3:00 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us this is from =pen@publiceducation.org. the first one (excerpted) and "unintended consequences" and --epseically-- "larger federal role in education," are interesting, when you consider the implied, knee-jerk definition of "capitalism" (the one from Chicago U. Nobels, Dewey, and Fabian Socialists; "but, I thought that *every* body loves money" !-) VOUCHER SCHOOLS: WHOSE LIES & DISTORTIONS? The past six months have brought major disappointments to those pushing for private school vouchers. Both white and African American voters decisively rejected voucher initiatives in Michigan and California last November. These developments may explain why voucher advocates are turning up the heat, embracing rhetoric that is increasingly shrill. People For the American Way Foundation has produced an analysis of Howard Fuller's recently published defense of the Milwaukee voucher program and finds them factually challenged. http://www.pfaw.org/issues/education/voucher.whoselies.shtml NEW YORK CITY'S PUBLIC SCHOOLS: FACTS ABOUT SPENDING & PERFORMANCE In the wake of an important court decision, many people argue that New York City's public schools are underfunded. Is that true? And just as importantly, can citizens be confident that any significantly increased funding would be put to good use? This examination of recent patterns in New York City's public school spending and performance finds that spending in the City schools has gone up over 30 percent in the last four years while test scores have barely moved. http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cb_26.htm CREATING PUBLIC PRESSURE TO IMPROVE SCHOOLS IN HATTIESBURG, MISSISSIPPI In its early years, the Hattiesburg Area Education Foundation-a local education fund-tackled traditional school partnerships like grants to innovative teachers and adopt-a-school programs. But, beginning in the early 1990s, the foundation took advantage of national grants to engage citizens in improving schools for all children. http://www.publiceducation.org/lef/success1.htm UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF SCHOOL REFORM According to some groups, capitalism produced a great America, and those same market forces can produce better readers and more competent teachers. Some proposals to improve schools, however well intended, are offered by people who suggest that an educational "slash and burn" policy may be the only way to improve America's urban and rural poor schools. The solution, they say, is simple: Start over. Let every school operate according to the needs and values of a particular community. Do the facts support these assertions? http://www.edweek.org/ew/ewstory.cfm?slug=33lasley.h20 THE COLOR OF ZERO TOLERANCE Racial disparities in the application of school disciplinary policies have long-been documented. The disparities are quite troubling. Most recent data from the Department of Education indicates that while African-American children only represent 17% of public school enrollment nationally, they constitute 32% of out-of-school suspensions. White students, 63% of enrollment, represent only 50% of suspensions and 50% of expulsions. A recent study by the Applied Research Center shows that black children, particularly black males, are disciplined more often and more severely than any other minority group. http://www.law.harvard.edu/civilrights/conferences/zero/zt_report2.html#i ntro END HOMEWORK NOW This article argues that educators should stop squeezing time out of family life for the questionable benefits of homework. Parents say that teachers require it. Teachers say that parents demand more of it. Politicians call for grading parents on their ability to help with it. Citizens run for school board seats on no-homework platforms. Some dismiss the current anti-homework outcry as just the latest swing of the opinion pendulum. School boards and politicians dictate homework policies for political rather than pedagogical reasons. Teachers say that they are increasingly uncomfortable about handing over to parents the learning for which teachers are accountable. Welcome to the homework wars. http://www.ascd.org/readingroom/edlead/0104/kralovec.html A LARGER FEDERAL ROLE IN EDUCATION Education legislation now taking shape amid intense negotiations between Democratic lawmakers and the White House is likely to fundamentally alter the relationship between the federal government, the states, and America's 14,500 public school districts. If the legislation passes Congress in coming weeks, which is by no means certain, it will give Washington a greater say in evaluating public-school performance. http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/2001/04/26/fp1s1-csm.shtml ARE YOU A "MATHLETE?" Every sport uses numbers in some way, whether it's for scoring, determining averages, or figuring percentages. And when numbers are involved, it usually means math is as well. Even though computers have saved us from having to calculate a lot of math manually, it is still useful to know how to do so. How could you play a friendly game of basketball without knowing how to keep score? How could you figure out your best friend's batting average? How would you know how many pins you needed to knock down in the last two frames of a bowling game in order to beat your opponent? The answers to these questions require some basic math skills. http://www.richmond.edu/~ed344/webunits/math/sport.html A CRITICAL FORK IN THE ROAD States that have become too dependent on high-stakes, high-standards tests have another option: build an accountability system that helps students focus on producing quality work, helps teachers focus on improving the quality of student work, and helps school systems create portfolios of quality schools. http://www.edweek.org/ew/ewstory.cfm?slug=30wagner.h20 WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO PLAY? Kids are spending less time frolicking freely, though fun is one of the best things for them. Play doesn't just make kids happy, healthy, and human. It may also make them smarter. Play refreshes and stimulates the mind, it seems. And frequent breaks may actually make kids more interested in learning. http://www.time.com/time/education/article/0,8599,107264,00.html BAROMETER FOR POLITICAL CONDUCT This useful tool lays out five factors of political conduct for candidates; six for news media; and six for citizens. For each factor, the Barometer helps people get to the heart of the matter: what is it that people say they usually see in politics and what Americans say they want to see. http://www.theharwoodinstitute.org/barometer/index.htm A NATIONAL DIALOGUE ON STANDARDS-BASED REFORM The term "education reform" has evolved from a well-intentioned concept to a politically charged catchphrase. Many standards-based assessment and accountability systems have come under fire, particularly when the stakes for students are so high. Given this backdrop-where a movement that arose from concern for children often has been mired in division, polarization, and politicization-the challenge is clear: to raise the quality and productivity of public discourse on education reform. To facilitate this discourse, the National Dialogue on Standards-Based Education has been created. http://www.nationaldialogue.org/bkground/why.htm PRESIDENT'S TESTING MANDATE ESTIMATED AS HIGH AS $7 BILLION The National Association of State Boards of Education (NASBE) has estimated the cost to states of implementing annual assessments in grades 3-8 in reading and math as proposed by President George W. Bush to be as high as $7 billion. Even estimating conservatively using simpler, cheaper tests would put the minimum cost at $2.7 billion. The Bush Administration requested only $320 million for testing in its recently released FY02 budget. http://www.nasbe.org/press_release.html GEORGIA DROPOUT RATE HIGHEST IN NATION Barely half the children entering ninth grade in Georgia earn a regular diploma four years later, giving the state the worst high school graduation rate in the nation. Years of reform achieve little, and some fear testing will only worsen problem http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/sunday/news_a3be 6ad4f 17dd10f007c.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 22:03:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Davod Mohahmadi Subject: heloo Comments: To: geodesic@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii heloo how are you __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 22:49:19 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Research Domes--Sudbury Neutrino Detector Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0D67E.C925E0A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0D67E.C925E0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice color pics of the Sudbury, Canada, geodesic dome neutrino detector = (SNO): http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/sno/images/phototube_support/index.html Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0D67E.C925E0A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nice color pics of the Sudbury, = Canada, geodesic dome=20 neutrino detector (SNO):
 
http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/sno/images/phototube_support/index.ht= ml
 
Joe S Moore
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Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0D67E.C925E0A0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 22:56:11 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: heloo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Davod, Welcome to the Geodesic newsletter ("list"). For info about various aspects of Buckminster Fuller's work see my web site below. Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davod Mohahmadi" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 10:03 PM Subject: heloo > heloo how are you > (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:27:06 -0700 Reply-To: pdx4d@teleport.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Earth At Night In-Reply-To: <000801c0d6ba$6b9baf00$02b8fea9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit View of Earth at night, remapped to a flat projection, clouds eliminated: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/Images/earth_lights_lrg.jpg Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:21:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: \"Global Warning\" <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 07-MAY-2001 8:21 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us this is excerpted from a letter-to-editor of a local paper; they've never used mine, before, but the article was too good, to let go uncommented. For it is the adumbration of the Democrats to the supposed wonders of the "free"market that must be fought, still, against the phalanx of appointees from the so-called Federalist Society, and the ones from the foundational affiliates of the Mont Pelerin Society (Heritage etc. ad vomitorium), after they had the 42 votes to fillbuster now-A.G. Ashcroft - who has a "100% rating" in the infotech industry (The Industry Standard, ed.) - and didn't bother, though Sen. Feinstein called for it. Regarding the incipient drive for "education automation," as Bucky Fuller called it, or canned lessons, what is the lawful result in the net-enabled schools, without sufficient human oversight by caring pedagogical units (heh-heh) - demanded by the unions as a whole - the nominee for the FTC is just as alarming. --Les Dukes d'Enron! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb/htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:38:24 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: mastaneh shabanie Subject: Re: \"Global Warning\" In-Reply-To: <200105071521.f47FLQ825467@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii recieve it --- Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings > 07-MAY-2001 8:21 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > this is excerpted from a letter-to-editor of a > local paper; > they've never used mine, before, but the article > was too good, > to let go uncommented. > > For it is the adumbration of the Democrats to > the supposed wonders of > the "free"market that must be fought, still, > against the phalanx of > appointees from the so-called Federalist Society, > and the ones from the > foundational affiliates of the Mont Pelerin Society > (Heritage etc. ad > vomitorium), after they had the 42 votes to > fillbuster now-A.G. Ashcroft - > who has a "100% rating" in the infotech industry > (The Industry Standard, > ed.) - and didn't bother, though Sen. Feinstein > called for it. Regarding > the incipient drive for "education automation," as > Bucky Fuller called it, > or canned lessons, what is the lawful result in the > net-enabled schools, > without sufficient human oversight by caring > pedagogical units (heh-heh) - > demanded by the unions as a whole - the nominee for > the FTC is just as > alarming. > > --Les Dukes d'Enron! > http://www.tarpley.net/bushb/htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:20:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Online Jack, Sorry for the lack of clarity. I am retired now & live in the city of Tucson, AZ. I am a "refugee" from California. Housing here is at least half the cost of what it is in central coastal CA. I now have a separate room just for my Bucky stuff! Desk, bookcases, space for models, wall space for maps & posters, etc, etc. To get a little flavor of the area check out this virtual tour put together by the Univ of Arizona: http://tour.arizona.edu/tucson/tucson1.shtml -- Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute "jack Lazariuk" wrote in message news:Lazariuk-307CEC.23075407052001@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com... > In article , > "Joe S Moore" wrote: > > > I'm back online now from the beautiful high desert city of Tucson, Arizona. > > You mean you are back from Tucson and are online? Or are you saying that > you are back online and you are greeting us from Tucson? > > Either way welcome back. > > Jack ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:47:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: mastaneh shabanie Subject: Re: Online In-Reply-To: <001601c0d7e3$225333c0$038efea9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks for your mail --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Jack, > > Sorry for the lack of clarity. I am retired now & > live in the city of > Tucson, AZ. I am a "refugee" from California. > Housing here is at least > half the cost of what it is in central coastal CA. > I now have a separate > room just for my Bucky stuff! Desk, bookcases, > space for models, wall space > for maps & posters, etc, etc. To get a little > flavor of the area check out > this virtual tour put together by the Univ of > Arizona: > http://tour.arizona.edu/tucson/tucson1.shtml > -- > Joe S Moore > joemoore@qwest.net > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > > "jack Lazariuk" wrote in message > news:Lazariuk-307CEC.23075407052001@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com... > > In article > , > > "Joe S Moore" wrote: > > > > > I'm back online now from the beautiful high > desert city of Tucson, > Arizona. > > > > You mean you are back from Tucson and are online? > Or are you saying that > > you are back online and you are greeting us from > Tucson? > > > > Either way welcome back. > > > > Jack __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:07:19 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: mastaneh shabanie Subject: Re: Online In-Reply-To: <001601c0d7e3$225333c0$038efea9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanx it is no problem. --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Jack, > > Sorry for the lack of clarity. I am retired now & > live in the city of > Tucson, AZ. I am a "refugee" from California. > Housing here is at least > half the cost of what it is in central coastal CA. > I now have a separate > room just for my Bucky stuff! Desk, bookcases, > space for models, wall space > for maps & posters, etc, etc. To get a little > flavor of the area check out > this virtual tour put together by the Univ of > Arizona: > http://tour.arizona.edu/tucson/tucson1.shtml > -- > Joe S Moore > joemoore@qwest.net > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > > "jack Lazariuk" wrote in message > news:Lazariuk-307CEC.23075407052001@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com... > > In article > , > > "Joe S Moore" wrote: > > > > > I'm back online now from the beautiful high > desert city of Tucson, > Arizona. > > > > You mean you are back from Tucson and are online? > Or are you saying that > > you are back online and you are greeting us from > Tucson? > > > > Either way welcome back. > > > > Jack __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 06:26:54 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Old Stuff Re: Deregulation <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 09-MAY-2001 6:26 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us much that is noted (cutback on Army Corps projects; cutback on floodplain insurance) point to the de facto greenness of the Administration. an article in a local freebie is titled, like, "Solar Now Affordable!," vis-a-vu the e-crisis that has been placed upon us "in California." (of course, the LATimes does not report about the many protests in other states where deregulation is hitting, nor on their legislatures' regulatory measures.) of course, the article was geared to those in LA City with private houses, although the DWP subisidies are avail. to any customer. last night, one of the SM Councillors noted the big savings he'd already gotten, pre-crisis, by replacing his pool's water-pump, which circulates a lot more water for a lot less e (he lives in the most remote part of the "garden dystrict" .-) the fact that the FERC is lawlessly ignoring its mandate from FDR, while awaiting the turn-over of the law -- just as the Financial Services Modernization Act of '99 tore down the "socialist firewalls" between baning, brokerage & insurance, using the slushfunds from the infamous 527 cmtes., as was recently pointed-out to me -- has ensured further reductions in consupmption (according to the WSJ (?), Calif. is using substantially less energy, than the same date of a year ago, as you might expect). the fact is that Scty. O'Neill's Alcoa could, instead of shutting-down plants all over the US, get into the cogeneration biz with the modular HTGRs, which could be used also for recycling (thinking of Bucky's famous study for Phelps-Dodge on its copper operations, concerning his forecasted glut o'scrap from the WW2's ending .-) --Les Dukes d'Enron! > http://www.tarpley.net/bushb/htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 06:33:51 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Old Stuff Re: Deregulation <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 09-MAY-2001 6:33 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I might also add the reputed Administration-sought legislation, regarding emergency powers for energy dystribution,\ not just production (as you might expect from the fulmigation o'Cheney's taskforce), as well as the floating of the ideal of the NSAdvisor's "portfolio" to include even more of trade issues than the Negotiator, although this was quickly (supposedly) countermanded, for the sake of the latter's qua-Cabinet level enshrinement! --Les Dukes d'Enron! > http://www.tarpley.net/bushb/htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 06:54:13 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: moral rearmament? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 09-MAY-2001 6:54 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us The short answer to that crucial question is, the establishment was determined to prevent any qualified candidate from becoming President at this time. In short, fragmentation grenades are not chosen for their intelligence. Think of President Bush in the White House, as a political, strategic human bomb. His lack of powers of comprehension, is the virtue which recommended him for the probably brief period of the role he is intended to play. Bush has been playing in a parody of "Hitler in the Bunker" since the moment the Carl Schmitt look-a-likes, Associate Justice Antonin Scalia et al., chose to rip up the U.S. Constitution, to make Bush the President-elect. Now, with yesterday's proclamation, we have the Josef Goebbels-type promise of "miracle weapons" to match the "Hitler in the Bunker" image. The physical meaning of the term "reality" is not in the vocabulary of President Bush's mental life. His qualifications for the role he plays lie in his proudly exhibited, awesome lack of both knowledge and cognitive capacity, as typified by his tendency to speak proudly in fractured synapses, sometimes like an escaped factory-reject from the robot production-line. Somewhere between his eyes and his teleprompter, one hears his mind scraping its bearings and rattling: "Me like!" "Me not like!!!" Bush was selected for his present "human bomb"-like role as President, because his lack of intellectual or moral intelligence fitted him for the role of a trustworthy fool, too dumb, too immoral to shirk the role his sponsors had selected for him. He now dwells within a parody of Hitler's bunker; now come the Goebbels-style packages of "miracle weapons." Whether any of those weapons actually perform as proposed, or not, is not the question. The questions are: will this rearmament swindle buy a little time, and create some opportunities for creating crisis-management diversions, before the inevitable general financial collapse occurs? Will it make some Bush appointees and their corporate associates rich in the meantime? Graham Crackers The Heritage Foundation's Lt.-Gen. (ret.) Daniel Graham is dead, and in due course will be judged accordingly in the appropriate court, but, the evil he did during the last years before his final sickness gripped him, lives with us still. As I knew him by his actions from the 1977-1984 interval, he was not an honorable man, nor a notably sane one. His role as a double-dipping cat's-paw of the Mont Pelerin Society's Heritage Foundation, in his direct personal attacks on me, and upon Dr. Edward Teller, during 1982-1983, was a crucial factor in wrecking the SDI proposal which President Ronald Reagan delivered publicly to the Soviet government in a famous March 23, 1983 address. Thus, the specter of the evil done by Graham, haunts Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and Rumsfeld's rearmament package, today. Combine Aviation Week's well-paced case on the subject of recent changes in Boeing's capabilities, with the ruin done to the U.S. military-science capabilities by the policies of the Heritage Foundation's Graham. This puts the finger exactly on the spot which defines President Bush's proclaimed rearmament policy as a Goebbels "miracle weapons" diversion, repeated as farce. http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2001/2819laronbushrearm.html This article appears in the May 18, 2001 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. President Bush's Rearmament Scam: Goebbels in Bush's Bunker On May 2, 2001, LaRouche in 2004, the political campaign committee for Lyndon LaRouche's candidacy for the Democratic nomination for President in 2004, released this statement. It was written by candidate LaRouche in immediate response to President George W. Bush's May 1 rearmament speech, which included announcement of White House intent to scrap the 1972 ABM treaty and build a national missile defense. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:25:54 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: BLC boogie! <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 09-MAY-2001 13:25 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well,anyone who's in LA, youcan probably still grab the past week's L.A.Weekly, which has an implosive article on the Belmont Learning Center: "Is This Any Place for a School? Yes." although they don't day it in this many words, the gist is that the Mayor's (hoepfully,now,temporary) scuttling of "the half-completed school," was based on enviromaniacal hearsay. (not even on the old Linear No-threshold boogie of the EPA et al. actually, near as I can tell, they just have to put the windows in and turn the utuilities (eek, but latter-day efficiency, at the least) on -- and stop bussing the 2000 kids to the Valley !-) --Les Dukes d'Enron! > > http://www.tarpley.net/bushb/htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:53:20 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: Creating a Sustainable Boston: Innovations and Indicators for the Future Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3072340401_5241494_MIME_Part" > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3072340401_5241494_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Here is an invitation to the World Future Society Greater Boston Chapter Ma= y Event - Creating a Sustainable Boston: Innovations and Indicators for the Future Please note: Space is limited. There is an RSVP and entrance fee. Greater Boston Chapter - May Event Topic: Creating a Sustainable Boston: Innovations and Indicators for the Future Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 Time: 5:45 - 8:00 p.m. Location: Fast Company Magazine, 77 N. Washington Street, Boston, MA Cost: $5 GBC Members/$10 Non-Members (light refreshments will be served) THIS EVENT IS LIMITED TO THE FIRST 35 RSVPs ONLY. To RSVP, and for more information (including directions), please call or email Michele Bowman at (781) 642-8758 or mauka@ix.netcom.com. About the Meeting: The U.N. estimates that by 2025, nearly two-thirds of th= e Earth=B9s population will live in cities. Finding sustainable, equitable solutions to the challenges of urban life will take center stage in the 21s= t century. Facing these challenges requires an approach that considers the social, political, economic and environmental dimensions of cities in a systemic way. This session will explore trends impacting the future of cities =AD and Boston in particular =AD from this sustainable development perspective. We invite you to join us for an exciting evening guaranteed t= o open your eyes to new possibilities for cities in the future! About the Speakers: >From 1995 to 2000 Geeta Pradhan founded and served as Director of Sustainable Boston with the City of Boston. Geeta is the co-author of Wisdom of Our Choices: Boston=B9s Indicators of Progress, Change and Sustainability, a nationally acclaimed report that provides measures in ten categories of civic and community life to evaluate the city=B9s current and future sustainability. In addition to co-authoring Wisdom of Our Choices, Charlotte Kahn is the Director of the Boston Community Building Network at the Boston Foundation, a project that is working to expand Boston=B9s capacity as a learning community. Seth Itzkan is a Boston area futurist and president of Planet-Tech Associates. He is currently managing a technical and market assessment of fuel cell power generation in the Haverhill "cyber-district". About our Sponsor: Fast Company, the leading business magazine, has generously agreed to host this meeting. The magazine=B9s "Report from the Futurist" is a must-read each month! You can check out Fast Company on the web at www.fastcompany.com. - Seth -- Seth J. Itzkan Planet-TECH Associates http://www.planet-tech.com sitzkan@planet-tech.com 781-874-0206 --MS_Mac_OE_3072340401_5241494_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Creating a Sustainable Boston: Innovations and Indicators for the Fu= ture Hi all,

Here is an invitation to the World Future Society Greater Boston Chapter Ma= y Event -
Creating a Sustainable Boston: Innovations and Indicators for the Future

Please note: Space is limited.  There is an RSVP and entrance fee.



Greater Boston Chapter -  May Event

Topic:  Creating a Sustainable Boston: Innovations and Indicato= rs for the Future
Date: Tuesday,  May 29, 2001
Time:  5:45 - 8:00 p.m.
Location: Fast Company Magazine, 77 N. Washington Street, Boston, MA=
Cost: $5 GBC Members/$10 Non-Members (light refreshments will be served)
THIS EVENT IS LIMITED TO THE FIRST 35 RSVPs ONLY.  To RSVP, and= for more information (including directions), please call or email Michele B= owman at (781) 642-8758 or mauka@ix.netcom.com<= /FONT>.

About the Meeting: The U.N. estimates that by 2025, nearly two-third= s of the Earth=B9s population will live in cities.  Finding sustainable, = equitable solutions to the challenges of urban life will take center stage i= n the 21st century.  Facing these challenges requires an approach that = considers the social, political, economic and environmental dimensions of ci= ties in a systemic way.  This session will explore trends impacting the= future of cities =AD and Boston in particular =AD from this sustainable develop = ment perspective.  We invite you to join us for an exciting evening gua= ranteed to open your eyes to new possibilities for cities in the future!

About the Speakers:
From 1995 to 2000 Geeta Pradhan founded and served as Director o= f Sustainable Boston with the City of Boston.  Geeta is the co-author o= f Wisdom of Our Choices: Boston=B9s Indicators of Progress, Change and Sust= ainability, a nationally acclaimed report that provides measures in ten = categories of civic and community life to evaluate the city=B9s current and fu= ture sustainability.

In addition to co-authoring Wisdom of Our Choices, Charlotte Kahn= is the Director of the Boston Community Building Network at the Boston = Foundation, a project that is working to expand Boston=B9s capacity as a learn= ing community.

Seth Itzkan is a Boston area futurist and president of Planet-Tech A= ssociates.  He is currently managing a technical and market assessment = of fuel cell power generation in the Haverhill "cyber-district".
About our Sponsor: Fast Company, the leading business magazin= e, has generously agreed to host this meeting.  The magazine=B9s "Re= port from the Futurist" is a must-read each month! You can check out Fast Company on the web at www.fastcompany.com.



- Seth

--
Seth J. Itzkan
Planet-TECH Associates
http://www.planet-tech.com
sitzkan@planet-tech.com
781-874-0206



--MS_Mac_OE_3072340401_5241494_MIME_Part-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:20:02 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: School Building Info Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Temcor is now in Carson, CA; see http://www.temcor.com/ Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: re: School Building Info > From: Bill Perk > Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:00:35 -0500 > > Seems to me you have a job for TEMCOR (they have done many similar > jobs, and can send you literature, specs, etc., etc.). They are the > firm that built the world's largest dome (to house the "Spruce > Goose", next to the Queen Mary docked in Long Beach, CA), a dome over > the South Pole, and numerous schools, banks, commercial buildings of > all kinds. TEMCOR was the firm spun off from Kaiser Aluminum, > spearheaded by Don Richter, with Bucky on the Board of Directors. > They still operate out of Torrance, California, I believe. > > Good luck! Bill Perk (SIU Emeritus; BFI Advisory Board) > > >From: "J.M. Snow" > >Organization: University of Idaho > >Reply-To: jsnow@uidaho.edu > >Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:13:28 PST8PDT > > (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:54:04 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Tensegrity References Comments: To: asquared@hooked.net, arthur_abraham@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr Abraham, See the bottom of this web page: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/1Biblio.htm . There's a list of used-book web sites that might have a listing for the books you're looking for. Mr Grip's booklet is probably impossible to find; however, it's only 20 pages long & so if you email me your US(?) mailing address, I'll mail you a copy. I don't think Mr Grip would mind. Also, you might check out the Ebay auction site. http://pages.ebay.com/index.html . More & more Bucky-related material has been appearing there lately. For my collection of tensegrity refs see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Tem-Tetq.htm (scroll down to "Tensegrity") Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net (NEW) <========= http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Abraham" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:42 PM Subject: Tensegrity References > Mr. Moore, > > I am very interesting in obtaining a copy or reproduction of either or > both of these works: > > "Tensegrity" by Anthony Pugh > > "Tensegrity: Introductory Theory & Model Construction" by Robert > Grip which I am sure you are familiar with. > > About a year ago I made the mistake of loaning my copy of Pugh's book to > my cousin, who has since lost it. > > Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you in advance, > > -Arthur Abraham ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:52:44 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Getting energy from tides <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 10-MAY-2001 12:52 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us a colleague of mine had a company with the idea to simply divert portions of the flow through turbines, but this seems to be an improvement! Note on energy technology from Living on Earth. Did you know that even if you can not get this on your local NPR station you can download transcripts from www.loe.org? Would appreciate any comments. Andrea Palmer, Swarthmore MM May 4, 2001 environmental technology note from Jennifer Chu. CHU: Dams have long been a source of contention from the salmon whose migration they block to the people they displace. But the hydroelectricity they generate is cheap and abundant. Now, a new breakthrough promises the power without the problems. Scientist Alexander Gorlov has invented a new kind of turbine. It looks like an oversized eggbeater, but Gorlov says it could rehabilitate the world's hydropower system. Conventional turbines require a strong, confined flow of water to work efficiently. But Gorlov's design can harness 35 percent of the energy in a naturally-flowing river. And unlike other turbines, this one captures power regardless of the water's direction, so it could be used in tidal flows as well as rivers. The so-called Gorlov Helical Turbine is being tested now on a remote stretch of the Amazon River, where local residents are using it to charge car batteries to power their televisions. And South Korea has asked Gorlov to design a system for one of its shipping channels. Gorlov points out that since 95 percent of the world's rivers are unsuitable for conventional hydropower, his giant eggbeaters could fill the gap. That's this week's technology note. I'm Jennifer Chu. --Les Dukes d'Enron! http://www.tarpley.net/bushb/htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:03:03 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Getting energy from tides <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 10-MAY-2001 13:03 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Sasha Gorlov is a professor emeritus in the Department of Mechanical, Industrial, and Manufacturing Engineering at Northeastern University in Boston. He works in the Hydro-Pneumatic Power Laboratory, which does not yet have a web-site, but you can read a little bit about his work here: http://www.coe.neu.edu/Depts/MIM/mime/Contents.html To get in touch with Gorlov himself, see: http://www.coe.neu.edu/Depts/MIM/mime/faculty/bios/a_gorlov.htm --Les Dukes d'Enron! >http://www.tarpley.net/bushb/htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:09:44 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] population growth <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 10-MAY-2001 13:09 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us OK, ms. Street; you are one of the most analytical of folks on this list, so, can you, please, tell us why -- other than mere habit or tradition -- this gooey stuff is refered to as being fossilized, or in some manner associated with fossilization? oh, and it comes in at least 3 phases! I see we have a number of members of No Population, herein; eh? although I have sired no children, I cannot say that I am without any sin on this matter; sorry! thus quoth: overconsumption of fossil fuels, in particular, and --Les Dukes d'Enron! >>http://www.tarpley.net/bushb/htm that's what the First and Second Georges call them, two, I'm sure. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:13:15 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Population and sex education <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 10-MAY-2001 13:13 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us parenthetically, I cannot see what is wrong with that approach per se, given some assumptions. I mean, the methods have become a small plethora, but absitnence definitely still works, in any case! thus quoth: outside of the context of marriage is likely to have harmful pyschological and physical effects." Furthermore, under this proposed law, publicly funded programs would be forbidden to discuss birth control or safe-sex techniques, except to highlight their shortcomings. --Les Dukes d'Enron! >>>http://www.tarpley.net/bushb/htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 02:53:40 +0900 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Son Ho Jin Subject: I got it Comments: To: "julia@vental.com julia"@vental.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey, lu Sorry, it took longer than i expected but I found the site, it's http://www.multiopen.com the site will make your web surfing very convenient. And here goes one more, it's http://www.mysimon.com this one will help your online shopping Get to the site and mail me after bye~ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:56:08 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Tets and Octs Comments: To: camber@sb2000.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0DC7D.A0933AC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0DC7D.A0933AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr Bruce Camber, Exec Producer PBS Series "Small Business 2000" Dear Sir, You may find the following links of interest: Tetrahedra http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Tetra.htm Octahedra http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Oct-Omnh.htm (Ref: http://sbschool.net/model.html ) Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0DC7D.A0933AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mr Bruce Camber, Exec Producer
PBS Series "Small Business 2000"
 
Dear Sir,
 
You may find the following links of = interest:
Tetrahedra http://www.cruzi= o.com/~joemoore/Index/Tetra.htm
Octahedra http://www.cr= uzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Oct-Omnh.htm
 
(Ref: http://sbschool.net/model.html )
 
Joe S Moore
joemoore@qwest.net
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore= /
Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0DC7D.A0933AC0-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:05:00 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: New Bucky Book Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007E_01C0DCA0.64715180" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C0DCA0.64715180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apparently the second book in the series _Your Private Sky: Discourse, = R. Buckminster Fuller_ is finally available. Amazon.com has it now for = $36. Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C0DCA0.64715180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apparently the second book in the series _Your Private Sky: = Discourse, R. Buckminster Fuller_ is finally available.  Amazon.com = has it=20 now for $36.
Joe S Moore
joemoore@qwest.net
http://www.cruzio.com/~= joemoore/
Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C0DCA0.64715180-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:25:35 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] "Arabic" numbers <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 14-MAY-2001 12:25 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us the "decimal system" didn't exist til the 15th CCE; it was Simon Stevin (Latin version of his Dutch name) who added the "point" and the stuff to the right of it, on an algebraically soncistent footing. indeed, it is a toy (restricted) algebra, or just hte model for the rest. source: _History of Number Theory_ by Oystein Ore. thus quoth: numerals changed some and the decimal system remained intact. My point is not --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:02:04 -0700 Reply-To: peter@geni.org Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Peter Meisen Subject: Bucky theater to Seattle -- P/T sales position MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Buckyfiles, The play: "Buckminster Fuller, the History (and Mystery) of the Universe" will be opening in Seattle next month: Opening June 8th. The initial run is to July 7th, but the producers anticipate extending the show to July 15th. (see www.foghouse.com) Bucky said that you can "either make money or make sense". . . but the two are mutually exclusive. Well I am no one to argue with Bucky -- but we still want to offer the following to a fellow Seattle theater mole: MAKE MONEY AND MAKE SENSE! The venue is the Intiman Theater at the Seattle Center. This is a 480 seat theater located in downtown Seattle. (www.intiman.org) GENI will be hosting a Bucky audio, video map and models table at every show. We give theater patrons the opportunity to purchase some of Bucky's artifacts while they are still in the glow of a great theater experience. The actor, Ron Campbell, brings Bucky's ideas to life and challenges people to find their own passion. We are looking for a Part Time GENI Manager(s) who would can run the sales exhibit at the show (Tuesday - Sunday, with matinees on Saturday and Sunday). In the past, we have had two people alternate during the week. The ideal person should know a bit about Bucky's work, have high integrity (you will be responsible for keeping track of inventory and money), have evening and weekend availability from June 8 through the July 15, and live close by convenient transportation in the Seattle area. We can offer you a commission of sales. Your income would be about $30 - $40 per night if the average sales remain the same. (This is based on experience of Chicago, San Diego and San Francisco shows). Also, the GENI Manager would invite one additional person to assist each show as a volunteer. Many people return to see the show 2 - 3 times, and this has been a straightforward scheduling task based on past experience. Please e-mail Peter Meisen, or you can call me at 619-595-0139 for more information. Thank you, Peter Meisen p.s. Past experience also reveals that talking with theater guests every night about Bucky's ideas will deepen your own understanding and commitment to the planet -- i.e. Spaceship Earth. GENI-- engineering peace and sustainable development. http://www.geni.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:50:23 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Missile Defence <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 15-MAY-2001 8:50 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Perhaps not everyone believes, what's presented in the NYTimes (say, or perhaps they give credence to the the Washington Times, because if *the* Messiah should have his own newspaper, this one, does; of course, if you're dealing with someone who believes in multiple universes or time-travel, forget matters of "efficient causality" altogether do you know where your atomic scientist is ?-) The LATimes (or the Tribune Co., the third-largest conglomerate of newspapers *in* the USA, which actually owns an "option" with the next-largest paper in Los Angeles, which it insists it won't use) recently changed its format on a Sunday, with a strange kow-tow to the President, to the effect that he's taking charge of the agenda, and another, similarly odd article about him. (One gets the impression of the lurking of Sconesmen & women, like the undead, mostly offstage, but it could mostly be a matter of culture and hiPCness.) What is really disgruntling is the pitched level of "polarization," which is most obvious in the environmental fights, when the writing has been on the wall for a long time - you just can't see it, now, after sunset. A more prosaic one might be "medical" marijuana, obviously dear to the hearts of the Million Marijuana Marchers, although it's clear that the primary indication, for the Munchies, is attainable with the synthetic THC - but this was the first time that I read of that, which I'd long-suspected! Base closures - coming out of both sides of the 'WAND' Corp. maw! Name your favorite, please! --The Duke of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 05:16:31 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Youth Opportunity <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-MAY-2001 5:16 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us where in all of this, is the justification for the Supreme Court's "southern strategy" of nullifying the Voting Rights Act of 1965, as of March 27, 2000 -- do they even know about it? thus quoth: -Butterfly Ballots, Roadblocks & Pregnant Chads: the Florida Election -Historic Voting Rights Struggles & How They Continue Today -Overt & Discriminatory Actions Against Voters of Color -How Electoral Issues Connect w/ Other Struggles for Social & Economic Justice -Public-not corporate!-Financing of Political Campaigns -Opening Up the System & Making Voting Easier -Equal Access for Third Party & Nontraditional Candidates -Why 50% of the Population Has Dropped Out of Politics -and every point of the Voters' Bill of Rights* Organizing --Les Dukes d'Enrons! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 05:20:08 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Youth Opportunity <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-MAY-2001 5:20 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us ah, I found it, at the end (although we have to abjure the jacobin rabble's call for the abolishment of the electoral college, rather than the censure of every single collegian, this past election, for not saying a god-am word !-) thus quoth: **Voters' Bill of Rights: Strict enforcement of the Voting Rights Act; Abolition of the Electoral College; Clean money elections; Instant Runoff Voting; Proportional Representation; Voting rights for ex-prisoners; Make voting easier and more reliable; Easier candidate access to the ballot, media and debates; Independent and non-partisan election bodies; Statehood for the District of Columbia --Les Dukes d'Enrons! >http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:56:38 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Moller VTOL SkyCar Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0DE39.EFBB3720" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0DE39.EFBB3720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A MSNBC article (today) about the latest version of Fuller's Omni-Medium = Transport: "BELIEVE IT or not, the flying car is not that far away. Paul Moller, = head of Moller International and developer of the Moller SkyCar has been = working for over 30 years on passenger vehicle that will take off = vertically, travel at 350 mph as far as 900 miles on a single tank of = gas, and park in your own garage. Moller has built a prototype of the = SkyCar that is nearing its first test certification flight and may = someday soon be available for sale to the public at what he imagines = will be in the range of most high-end luxury vehicles = ($80,000-$100,000.)" http://www.msnbc.com/news/574461.asp See also http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/EndTransVTOLvehicle.htm Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0DE39.EFBB3720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A MSNBC article (today) about the latest = version of=20 Fuller's Omni-Medium Transport:
 
"BELIEVE IT or not, the flying car is not = that far=20 away.  Paul Moller, head of Moller International and developer of = the=20 Moller SkyCar has been working for over 30 years on passenger vehicle = that will=20 take off vertically, travel at 350 mph as far as 900 miles on a single = tank of=20 gas, and park in your own garage.  Moller has built a prototype of = the=20 SkyCar that is nearing its first test certification flight and may = someday soon=20 be available for sale to the public at what he imagines will be in the = range of=20 most high-end luxury vehicles ($80,000-$100,000.)"  = http://www.msnbc.com/news/574461.asp
 
See also http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/EndTransVTOLvehicle.htm
 
Joe S Moore
joemoore@qwest.net

http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

= Buckminster Fuller Virtual=20 Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0DE39.EFBB3720-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:41:18 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Deregulation (old) <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 17-MAY-2001 6:41 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us maybe there should be a checklist for electoral collegians, per the law on their assumed function in the state capitols; "What part of the General Welfare Clause do you not understand?" anyway, per subjectum, I thought it was completley clear, by now, that the administration is relying on the market forces --theones that shoved'em back into office, as a part of the new "Republican" ideology of Reincarnation-- to fall-out into a de facto "CAFE" for the American consumer (withe the usuak "fleet" of one per .-) that was the second shocker that I learned about MTBE, this week. does it not say, the use of the "oxygenate" in gasoline, more than counteracts its alleged reductions in emissions, in reducing mikeage?... this appears to be another coup of the Greens and ADM (Supermarket to the world, and you), for turning food into fuel. soon, I won't be surprized if the administration not-only backs "medical" marijuana, but as the ultimate panacea for a solar economy -- after they let their balloon of nuke-yellar power for California burst in the volley of environmentalist concensual hype. hemp for haemorrhoids! thus quoth: > They still oppose CAFE standards. thus quoth: We discovered that the expected fuel mileage (EPA Estimated) cannot be reached with gasoline that has MTBE added, because of the lower burning temperature that results. Our overall mileage is barely 40 mpg, and we drive slowly and easy. I believe, that was compared with a touted 70mpg, as another said! --The Dukes of Oil! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:05:06 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: education automation <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 17-MAY-2001 11:05 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Ijust went through and interesting rigamorole. I saw an ad in a local free paper (New Times) with an invitation to come to a USC Annenberg School thing on digital entertainment. as it was pulbished the night before, I was late, but was told by security ofthe hotel to leave. afterhaving argued with them,and leaving after catching them in a lie, I camback,just in time for a final panel, featuring a Q&A with kids from a localpublic highschool, about their experineces using software in school & out, and got toask a question of them (my standard survey: did youget to do the compassconstrucitons in geometry,or was it "totallyleftbrained," as in myexperience? I have a feeling their attemptto exclude me (and I didn't bother trying to go to the cocktails, after) has to do with all of the publicity around the Mayor, a USC alumnus, and the recent exposure of his scammingto a) close a much-needed new high school,downtown, over mere hearsay, reported in May 4th's LAWeekly.com, and his having the Central Librarynamed after him,before kindly dying (in this week's NewTimesLA.com; the joke is, they should tranfer the name to the ready-to-go school, to becomethe infamous Riordan Learning Center, which I have been digging away at for a year and a half .-) (personally, it seemsthat "computer literacy" is some thing of a big joke, with the primary thing to be "making a powerpoint (tmMS) presentation !-) --Les Dukes d'Enron! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:07:42 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: education automation <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 17-MAY-2001 11:07 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us How Mankind Developed For as long as we know, mankind's economy has been dominated by the oceans. Contrary to all these theories that the British Biblical archeologists tell you, civilization did not come from England and march down the rivers and the seas, it went the other way. What we know from especially information on the internal characteristics of ancient astronomical calendars, shows that they were predominantly calendars used by a trans-oceanic maritime culture, functioning over a long period of time when most of North Eurasia was under a giant glacier, for about 100,000 years. During that period, most of what later became civilization, was running around the oceans. From the time that these maritime cultures came back into Eurasia following the melting of the glacier about 20,000 years ago, when that began, they began to move inland. The first direction was to move along the great riverways inland, to move along the coastways, close to the seas and to maritime traffic. If you look at the map of the world, you find the characteristic of long development is the lack of the ability to utilize the inland areas, the land-locked areas, of the world, with the same degree of efficiency and productivity that was used in the coastal areas and chief riverways. Look at Asia today. In China, you have the coastal areas which reflect this, they are more highly developed, relatively speaking, and the inland is poorly developed, the population has a poorer standard of living and poorer opportunities for development. This extends then into Central and North Asia as a whole. Therefore, if we conquer this area, what happens? Take transportation alone. People who don't think, think that ocean freight is the cheapest way to move freight. That is not true. The cheapest way is across land, but not by truck; trucks running up and down the highway tell you that the economy is being dismantled. It costs too much, it's intrinsically bad. Railways are much better. Integrated transport systems, featuring railways, especially magnetic levitation systems, are excellent. Magnetic levitation systems move passengers more rapidly, but those same systems for moving freight, that is really a wonder. That's where the payoff comes. If you can move freight from Rotterdam to Tokyo at an average rate of 300 kilometers per hour, without much stopping along the way, and if for every 100 km of motion across that route, you are generating the creation of wealth through production as a result of the existence of that corridor, then the cost of moving freight from Rotterdam to Tokyo is less than zero. What ocean freight can do that? Did you ever see a large supercargo ship producing wealth while travelling across the ocean? And at what speed? A Turning Point in Technology http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2001/2819badschwalbach.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:03:03 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: New Starplates Dealer Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0DF03.FFB4AA60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0DF03.FFB4AA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just discovered a company in New Zealand that sells Starplates: Avon Electric Ltd PO Box 19748 Christchurch, New Zealand 8030 http://www.avonelectric.co.nz/starplate/ Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0DF03.FFB4AA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just discovered a company in New Zealand that sells=20 Starplates:
 
Avon Electric Ltd
PO Box 19748
Christchurch, New Zealand 8030

 http://www.avon= electric.co.nz/starplate/
 
Joe S Moore
joemoore@qwest.net
http://www.cruzio.com/~= joemoore/
Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0DF03.FFB4AA60-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:23:39 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Syncorswim, Inc. swims on Steven, Welcome back. Your web site looks promising. The Spring man is Gerald de Jong; see http://www.beautifulcode.nl/ -- Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net (new) http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute "diana combs" wrote in message news:9du1ee$gk8$1@nntpsp2-ld.pvd.loa.net... > I just wanted to say hi after a long absence from the net. My name is Steven > Combs and my bucky project is Syncorswim, Inc. I haven't surfed much but I > did see Kirby Urner's site and Chris Fearnley's and Joe Moore's > all of whom I recall from before. Who was the guy with the Springs? I > think he was from the Netherlands. > Syncorswim's site is only under construction at > www.web.corporate.com/syncorswim a lot needs to be done - but at least I'm > doing it. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:50:00 -0700 Reply-To: pdx4d@teleport.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Sting re one of his songs... In-Reply-To: <004501c0df41$8e59ec20$f895fea9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "History Will Teach Us Nothing" I once asked my history teacher how we were expected to learn anything useful from his subject, when it seemed to me, to be nothing but a monotonous and sordid succession of robber baron scumbags devoid of any admirable human qualities. I failed history. The most palatable history of the world I ever read is only 120 pages long and part of Buckminster Fuller's book, "Critical path". The robber baron scumbags are still there but some attempt is made to explain their pathology and why they're still around today. [ http://users.otenet.gr/j/jnako/sting-says.htm ] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 05:58:28 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Youth Opportunity <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 18-MAY-2001 5:58 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us thet evidence that *has* been presented has not been followed-up, becvause of the intransigence of a) the media cartels, and b) the DNC's absolute refusal to utilize the Voting Rights Act of 1965 in the lawless Supreme Court trial, toward the salvation of the dysenfrachized voters of color --what ever color-- if any. why, Rhenquist actually gave Boies an extra 2' in which to do so, as he even mentioned the VRA (or he hinted at it), but he, Gore's lawyer, refused the point. that, my old phriend, is the fruit of the Southern Strategy. (see the April 26 (?) *New Fed* for historical coverage of this plague, since Nixon and Carter caught it, crucially with excerpts from Kevin Phillips, who is an oft-published pundit in the LATimes' Sunday Opinion section, and was one of the key strategizers for Tricky (and I'm not promoting his books (The Cousins?) and views, herein !-)) thus quoth: -Overt & Discriminatory Actions Against Voters of Color Same comment as above. I want to see EVIDENCE of discrimination based on color and see if it is any higher than any other class. I believe that you will find more leniency with "persons of color" than with the rest of the population. --Les Dukes d'Enron! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 04:40:25 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: marksomers Subject: Hey now all you sinners! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0E01D.D243B560" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0E01D.D243B560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Puts your lights on! Hey now!!! all you lovers. Puts your lights on. .................................................... Wisper into my ear ..... You all have a purpose to serve ..... ...................................................................... Hey now!! all you killers. Puts your lights on ................ ............................................................ Hey now all you children=20 ........=20 Put your lights on........ There's an angel in my life... Put your life on ........=20 Hey now!!!!!!! Hey now!!!!!!! Put your lights on!!!!!!! All you children leave your lights on!!!! 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0E01D.D243B560-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 04:49:30 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: marksomers Subject: Shine like a star. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0E01F.175AAB80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0E01F.175AAB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shine like a star!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.angelfire.com/mt/marksomers/40.html Like the ocean under the moon ........................ ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0E01F.175AAB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Shine like a = star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0E01F.175AAB80-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 08:50:17 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Collective invention Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear members of the list, Would anybody help define and/or help holding an internet php4/Mysql definition poll on "collective invention". My (free) web site provider (crosswinds.net) serves php4 scripts (do not know what database) for their own internal use but I have not had a response about writing scripts myself. I pretend to hold or redirect a poll from (http://www.crosswinds.net/~ggce/index.html) Firstly inspired by Teilhard de Chardin works ("Man´s place in nature" talks about collective investigation/invention as a second power of the individual mode) I find Fuller´s definition of the term invention unsurpassable. At the same time the big coincidences between both authors (and several other post WWII writers, the Argentinian Jorge Luis Borges included) and lack of mutual acknowledgment intrigue me greatly. Sincerely Gerardo García Tampico, México _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:24:51 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: Re: Collective invention Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable >From: Gerardo Garcia >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >Subject: Collective invention >Date: Sat, May 19, 2001, 13:50 >I find Fuller=B4s definition of the term invention unsurpassable. At > the same time the big coincidences between both authors (and several othe= r > post WWII writers, the Argentinian Jorge Luis Borges included) and lack o= f > mutual acknowledgment intrigue me greatly. Hi Gerardo, It's a very interesting game to try and figure out what Fuller's influences were in the sense of what books he may have read, since he had the unfortunate habit of hardly ever mentioning other authors. Coincidences of the sort you mention may of course be no coincidence: it ma= y often be that "the time is ripe" for particular ideas, as, for instance in the case of Wallace and Darwin, and their theories of natural selection. On the other hand, correspondences between authors' ideas may only be apparent or based on the vagueness of the notions concerned. Teilhard de Chardin's biological theories are perhaps woolly enough to invite compariso= n with many other global schemes. Borges is brilliant rather than woolly, and I would be interested to know what correspondences you find between him and Fuller. What about Borges' hexagonally-chambered universal library? Regards, Paul Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:28:13 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: Re: Hey now all you sinners! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3073127293_132969_MIME_Part" > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3073127293_132969_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >Hey now!!! all you lovers. Mark, Are you the Hank Kingsley of poetry? Regards, Paul Taylor (Larry Sanders fan) --MS_Mac_OE_3073127293_132969_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Hey now all you sinners! >Hey now!!! all you lovers.

Mark,

Are you the Hank Kingsley of poetry?


Regards,

Paul Taylor

(Larry Sanders fan)
--MS_Mac_OE_3073127293_132969_MIME_Part-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:54:42 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Dome For Sale Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0E112.E4B1EAA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0E112.E4B1EAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A list of domes for sale maintained by Natural Spaces Domes: http://www.naturalspacesdomes.com/domefor.htm Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0E112.E4B1EAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Joe S Moore
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Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0E112.E4B1EAA0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:46:39 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Your Private Sky RBF-Discourse Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of Contents 001-003 Title, Authors, Publisher 004-006 Table of Contents 007-043 Earthwalking-Skyriding by Joachim Krausse & Claude Lichtenstein 044-045 Fuller as a Poet of Technology by E.J. Applewhite 046-047 Influences on My Work commentary by J Krausse 048-061 "Influences on My Work" by R Buckminster Fuller 062-063 Lightful Houses commentary by J Krausse 064-075 "Lightful Houses" by RBF 076 4D Correspondence commentary by J K 077-079 "On Margaret Fuller Ossoli" by RBF 080-081 "On Paul Nelson" by RBF 082-083 Dymaxion House Lecture for the Arch League, NY commentary by C L 084-103 "Dymaxion House Meeting Architectural League, NY" by RBF 104-105 Nine Chains to the Moon commentary by C L 106-114 "The Phantom Captain" by RBF 115-116 "Ephemeralization" by RBF 117-120 "Scrap--Coup d'Etat of the Random Element" by RBF 121 Sperry Gyroscope commentary by CL 122-125 "Sperry Gyroscope Theory & Practice of the Spinning Wheel" by RBF 126 Fluid Geography Commentary by CL 127-139 "Fluid Geography" by RBF 140 Profile of the Industrial Revolution/Earth, Inc commentary by JK 141-144 "On Profile of the Industrial Revolution" by RBF 145-156 "Earth Inc" by RBF 157-159 Synergetic Geometry commentary by JK 160-168 "Dymaxion Comprehensive System" by RBF 169-170 "Energetic Geometry" by RBF 171-173 "Einstein Letter" by RBF 174-175 "Eureka--Eureka" by RBF 176 Noah's Ark #2 commentary by JK 177-225 "Project Noah's Ark #2" by RBF 226 Tensegrity commentary by JK 227-228 "Mast in the Earth" by RBF 229-241 "Tensegrity" by RBF 242 The Comprehensive Designer commentary by JK 243-246 "The Comprehensive Designer" by RBF 247 Proposal to the Internat'l Union of Architects commentary by JK 248-252 "Proposal to the International Union of Architects" by RBF 253-260 "New Forms vs Reforms" by RBF 261 World Design Initiative commentary by JK 262-278 "World Design Initiative" by RBF 279 Vertical Is to Live, Horizontal Is to Die commentary by CL 280-291 "Vertical Is to Live, Horizontal Is to Die" by RBF 292 Mistake Mystique commentary by CL 293-296 "Mistake Mystique" by RBF 297-301 Dymaxion Artist by Elaine de Kooning 302-307 Experience by Allegra Fuller Snyder 308-309 Starting from Scratch by E.J. Applewhite 310-315 Bibliography 316-319 Index 320 Credits Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:06:58 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Fuller Archives Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0E179.3086B1C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0E179.3086B1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The index to the R Buckminster Fuller Archives at Stanford University = are now partially available online: = http://www.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead/stanford/mss/m1090/@Generic__BookVie= w;cs=3Ddefault;ts=3Ddefault Of the 20 series, 2 & 17 are now available: =20 Series 2, Dymaxion Chronofile, is 5 pages Series 17, Media, consists of 7 subseries: 1, Reel-to-Reel Tapes, is 41 pages 2, Cassette Tapes, is 20 pages 3, Wire Recordings, is 2 pages 4, Phonographs, is 1 page 5, Videotapes, is 16 pages 6, Pro Videotape for TV, is 2 pages 7, Film, is 1 page Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0E179.3086B1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The index to the R Buckminster Fuller Archives at = Stanford=20 University are now partially available online: http://www.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead= /stanford/mss/m1090/@Generic__BookView;cs=3Ddefault;ts=3Ddefault
 
Of the 20 series, 2 & 17 are now = available:
 
Series 2, Dymaxion Chronofile,  is 5 = pages
 
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1, Reel-to-Reel Tapes, is 41 pages
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Joe S Moore
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Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0E179.3086B1C0-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:26:12 +0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: misszen Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C4=E3=BA=C3=A3=A1?= Comments: To: "ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =C4=E3=BA=C3=A3=A1 = =D2=F2=CC=D8=CD=F8=B7=E7=C3=D2=C8=AB=C7=F2=CA=B1=B4=FA=A3=AC=C4=FA=D4=DA=CD=F8= C9=CF=B0=B2=BC=D2=C1=CB=C2=F0=A3=BF=C4=FA=D3=D0=CD=F8=C9=CF=B5=C4=C9=CC=B1=EA=A3 =A8=D3=F2=C3=FB=A3=A9=C1=CB =C2=F0=A3=BF=C8=E7=B9=FB=C3=BB=D3=D0=A3=AC=C4=C7=D2=AA=B8=CF=BF=EC=D0=D0=B6=AF=D 2=D4=C3=E2=B4=ED=CA=A7=C1=BC=BB=FA=B6=F8=D4=EC=B3=C9=B2=BB=B1=D8=D2=AA=B5=C4=CB= F0=CA=A7=A1=A3=C4=E3=C3=C7=BB=B9=BF= =C9=D2=D4=B3=C9=CE=AA=CE=D2=C3=C7=B5=C4=B4=FA=C0=ED=C9=CC=A1=A3 = =CC=EC=D3=F2=CD=F8=C2=E7=A3=A8http://www.777a.net=A3=A9=CC=E1=B9=A9=D3=F2=C3=FB =D7=A2=B2=E1=BA=CD=D0=E9=C4=E2=D6=F7=BB=FA=B7=FE=CE=F1=A3=AC=B2=A2=C7=D2 =BF=C9=D2=D4=CF=C8=D7=A2=B2=E1=BA=F3=B8=B6=BF=EE=A3=AC=CF=C8=CA=B9=D3=C3=D4=D9=B 8=B6=BF=EE=A3=AC=BE=F8=B6=D4=C1=E3=B7=E7=CF=D5=A1=A3=CF=D6=D4=DA=B4=D9=CF=FA=C6= DA=BC=E4=D6=BB=D2=AA=C4=FA=C9=EA=C7= =EB=D2=BB =B8=F6=D0=E9=C4=E2=D6=F7=BB=FA=CE=D2=C3=C7=BE=CD=BB=E1=CB=CD=C4=E3=D2=BB=B8=F6=B 9=FA=BC=CA=B6=A5=BC=B6=D3=F2=C3=FB=A1=A3=C1=ED=BC=D3=CE=E5=B8=F6=D2=D4=C4=FA=D3= F2=C3=FB=CE=AA=BA=F3=D7=BA=B5=C41= 0M =B5=E7=D7=D3=D3=CA=CF=E4=A3=AC=BC=DB=B8=F1=D6=BB=D0=E8350=D4=AA=A1=A3 =CF=EA=C7=E9=C7=EB=B7=C3=CE=CA=CE=D2=C3=C7=B5=C4=CD=F8=D5=BE:http://www.777a .net/ =CF=A3=CD=FB=C1=AA=CF=B5 E-mail=A3=BAweb@777a.net =D7=A3 =C9=CC=EC=F7=A3=A1 =CF=C3=C3=C5=CA=D0=D6=D0=D7=CA=D4=B4=CD=F8=C2=E7=B7=FE=C E=F1=B9=AB=CB=BE -=CC=EC=D3=F2=CD=F8=CA=C2=D2=B5=B2=BF =C1=AA=CF=B5=B5=E7=BB=B0=A3=BA0592-2222583 =B9=AB=CB=BE=B4=AB=D5=E6=A3=BA0592-2220123 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 05:26:41 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Collective invention Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks for the answer Paul, > >Hi Gerardo, > >It's a very interesting game to try and figure out what Fuller's influences >were in the sense of what books he may have read, since he had the >unfortunate habit of hardly ever mentioning other authors. > Previous message from Joe S. Moore mentions an "Influences on My Work" by Fuller. In "Everything_I_Know # 12" html file I read this: On Marshall McLuhan: "[...]and society was missing some very important things, so he decided really, taking things he had read about that other people had written and began to get society to know about it. But he gets so enthusiastic that he didn't necessarily always say, I am extending this person's idea. His idea he began to make it his own as he began to develop it, which is very reasonable. But he is a man of integrity, so if you check with him about it, he will say, yes, that is correct. That his enthusiasm carried away and he forgot to give footnotes of where he got that." >Coincidences of the sort you mention may of course be no coincidence: it >may >often be that "the time is ripe" for particular ideas, as, for instance in >the case of Wallace and Darwin, and their theories of natural selection. > >On the other hand, correspondences between authors' ideas may only be >apparent or based on the vagueness of the notions concerned. Teilhard de >Chardin's biological theories are perhaps woolly enough to invite >comparison >with many other global schemes. > Bonnie DeVarco in her beautiful and brilliant essay on Fuller, says that "[Fuller was] acutely aware of the processes of globalization long before the world could fathom such a concept or had a word for it." In this case I do not think it is useful to state who said if first, but the word that T. de Chardin used was "totalization", and at least once asked not to confuse with other meanings or uses of the word. I would not regret the fact that such geniuses as Fuller did not try to make a collective achievement or did not insist in gathering forces with such other geniuses (DeVarco writes "[a document by Fuller]It contains his exhaustive 1948 draft to Einstein about the relevance of such geometry--a letter which was finally, never sent."). It may be that people like T. de Chardin, that foresaw collective invention and investigation as a second power version of the individual mode, did not insist in including some others in the responsibility of the "heresies" they were discovering. My concern is with us (lesser personalities) that "harvest" in the different study groups, and many times the "talking about the same things" of the different authors can´t be added in a result "greater than the sum". When I read about the tens of thousands of killed people in India´s earthquake, or the big efforts of the Mexican authorities to lessen the number of deads in the 1985 Mexico city´s quake, does the importance of Fuller (having being friend of Nehru and Indira Ghandi may have talked many times about the quake resistant dome houses) diminish, or our responsibility increase? >Borges is brilliant rather than woolly, and I would be interested to know >what correspondences you find between him and Fuller. What about Borges' I guess it was Borges´father who told his son "Watch the military uniforms carefully so you can tell your grandsons they ['killingry' pret-à-porter] once existed". >hexagonally-chambered universal library? > I think that Borges read such texts that according to Umberto Eco: "It has been necessary a genius interpreter as de Bruyne to understand, for instance, that in the Grossatesta´s discussions on light was enclosed an esthetic vision of the universe; and, Panofsky or Von Simon were necessary to demonstrate that the Neoplatonic metaphysics of the luminous energy were in a non casual relation with the works of the crystal masters and the cathedral constructors [...]" On the other hand, Borges was a close friend of the Mexican writer Alfonso Reyes, and necessarily knew of the repeated first half of XX century Reyes writings about peyote, a plant many say turns the invisible visible (luminous energy,eg). Didn´t the Borges fictional "Babel Library" already contained the "future" texts (Fuller´s included)? >Regards, > >Paul Taylor In the DeVarco´s essay last paragraph: "Bucky did not hold anything back while telling the story that is told in the intellectual artifact that he left and hoped someday that anyone who wanted would have access. Although this is not possible in its physical state of today and it would be a crime to lose all that was built up in a few short years of unlimited rifling, those of us who have been inside his archives hope that day will not be too far away. And, as Bucky would have wanted it, someday it will belong, unconditionally, to everyone." I would like to stress the concept "intellectual artifact". Is it only a metaphor or is it a valid intuition towards a next step in the modeling? After Richard Feynman´s nanotechnology starter "There´s plenty of room at the bottom", nobody said that it could be a metaphor for peace more than a business model. I hope that businesses can achieve both the peace of investors and lesser people. Gerardo García _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 05:44:00 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Collective invention <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-MAY-2001 5:44 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Fuller was hardly the first to denote globalisation as a process; it is imperialism!... Chardin's bastardized version of Vernadsky's noosphere, is the geopolitical order-of-the-day from the 'WAND' Corp., who have just gotten 3 of their directors onto the "Canibals from the Bush" Cabinet, including the last Chairman, the new Scty.of Treasury. they call it, "noopolitik," in imitation of the kissingerite atrocities of the last 50 years of the last millenium (CE), although clothed in the jesuitical (but apostate) goodness of Chardin ... "bastardized" is not the correct term, in those precincts! the most likely hypothesis on Bucky's a/political indoctrination, comes from his floating around Einstein, when he was at the Advanced Studies Inst. (Princeton), which was pretty-much all of E's life, after the war. viz, Toynbee. thus quoth: >Chardin's biological theories are perhaps woolly enough to invite >comparison >with many other global schemes. > Bonnie DeVarco in her beautiful and brilliant essay on Fuller, says that "[Fuller was] acutely aware of the processes of globalization long before the world could fathom such a concept or had a word for it." In this case I do not think it is useful to state who said if first, but the word that T. de Chardin used was "totalization", and at least once asked not to confuse with other meanings or uses of the word. I would not regret the fact that such geniuses as Fuller did not try to make a collective achievement or did not insist in gathering forces with such other geniuses (DeVarco writes "[a document by Fuller]It contains his exhaustive 1948 draft to Einstein about the relevance of such geometry--a letter which was finally, never sent."). It may be that people like T. de COMPLICITY IS PROCURING THE DUCT-TAPE OF SILENCE HTTP://WWW.TARPLEY.NET/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 05:46:57 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: PEN Weekly NewsBlast for May 18, 2001 <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-MAY-2001 5:46 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us IS YOUR KID WORTH $1 A WEEK? The Alliance for Quality Education, a local education fund in South Carolina, is leading the charge to pass an historic school bond referendum. Greenville voters are being asked to approve additional funding to support increases in teacher pay and new library resources. 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These machine-gun bursts of top-down change have continued throughout the first two years of Bersin's tenure as he consolidates his changes and plows ahead with further reorganization and initiatives. But his victories have come at a cost. http://www.latimes.com/news/learning/20010422/t000033992.html SCHOOLS THAT STRETCH: AMERICA'S BEST SCHOOLS Time Magazine searched America for educational pioneers. They have one trait in common: great expectations. Is there good news about America's schools? Yes: some of them are simply great, even against great odds. What makes them that way? To start with, gifted teachers and inspiring principals. But an exemplary school must also set great expectations-for instructors, students and parents. Great schools ask everyone to stretch. http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101010521/intro.html MAKING SCHOOLS "LEARNING ORGANIZATIONS" A fascinating report on applying the lessons of the management bible "The Fifth Discipline," to creating an organization and school culture that promotes high levels of student achievement. Author Peter Senge says that "new insights fail to get put into practice because they conflict with deeply held internal images of how the world works, images that limit us to familiar ways of thinking and acting. That is why the discipline of managing mental models--surfacing, testing, and improving our internal pictures of how the world works--promises to be a major breakthrough for building learning organizations." http://info.med.yale.edu/comer/senge.html SCHOOL BOARD CHECKPOINTS These 15 "checkpoints" can signal a school board's dysfunction. If your board keeps hitting potholes, try to determine which of the checkpoints might be related to your bumpy ride; if your school board is doing okay, use them as reminders that will keep you on course. http://www.msbanet.org/archives/showme-education/Fall99/15checkpoints.htm SPINNING WHEELS OF SCHOOL REFORM: GETTING UNSTUCK Rick Hess writes that the constant proposing and enacting of new reforms ensures that only rare measures receive sustained support by school districts. By continuously proposing and marketing quicker and better ways to improve schools, reformers increase the pressure to examine new initiatives while encouraging unrealistic public expectations for change. http://brookings.nap.edu/books/0815736355/html/177.html#pagetop CASH-STRAPPED SCHOOLS TAP TECH-SAVVY STUDENTS FOR COMPUTER HELP Dwindling budgets and a dearth of support staff are forcing more schools to offer tech-savvy students academic credit for maintaining computer hardware and helping to teach computer classes. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/education/A22838-2001May13.html WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT POVERTY IN AMERICA? Americans aren't thinking a lot about the poor these days. Only one in ten Americans identifies poverty, welfare, or a similar social problem as one of the two top issues demanding government action. A new report found that more than half of those surveyed (64%) felt the federal government's definition of poverty--a yearly income of $17,029 for a family of four--was too low. The report also found that approximately half of those surveyed felt that the poor are not doing enough to help themselves out of poverty, while the other half felt that poverty was attributable to circumstances beyond the control of individuals. http://www.kff.org/content/2001/3118 FOR-PROFIT SCHOOL PLAN SUFFERS SETBACK: EDISON'S HIGH COSTS ACKNOWLEDGED Edison is a private, for-profit company that runs public schools nationwide. In recent efforts to expand into new school districts, Edison has been newly forced to acknowledge that its schools cost districts considerably more to operate than do other district schools. The company formerly claimed that it could run schools for the same cost per student as other district schools. http://www.educationnews.org/parents_advocating_school_accoun1.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:33:33 -0700 Reply-To: pdx4d@teleport.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Ongoing trimtabbing... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I've posted about to this list from time to time, my strategy for moving Bucky-style design science approaches closer to center stage is to focus on the school curriculum. Applewhite has agreed this gives me considerable leverage, although critics on this list have suggested that school itself, as an institution, is what's obsolete. However, I'm using "school" in a broader sense -- as in "school of thought". In this sense, the various "store front" schools (bricks and mortar) are like the martial arts academies -- outlets for more metaphysical and invisible systems or networks (ways of wiring it all up). To this end (curriculum overhaul), I launched what I called a Math Makeover campaign in Novermber of '97, with an eye toward '98 as a banner year. The exhibit page is still at my website, though dated: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/makeover0.html and this page in turn leads to a more up-to-date workhorse page: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/makeover1.html The text and pictures on this latter haven't changed, but I continue updating the links in the for further reading, in order to chronicle the evolution of this strategy (a kind of chronofile). Now you might think that I'm getting heavy into left-wing politics what with the picture of Chomsky up top. But if you actually read the text, you'll seem I'm making an analogy: Chomsky is entrenched at MIT as a tenured professor, and has the respect of peers in linguistics for his transformational grammar, a contribution to a technical literature. For this reason, Chomsky, can't be easily dismissed as an irrelevant crackpot and therefore his views have some currency, a following. Likewise, I'm suggesting the Fuller's innovations make it harder to dislodge his thinking from the network of relevant ideas, as passed onward to new generations via the university systems etc. Indeed, this was part of his rationale for taking out those patents: to embed himself in the historical record as a creative, contributing individual able to generate working, practical inventions that were potentially advantaging to all humans. He wanted to have a credible track record. In this, he succeeded admirably. Of course it's entirely possible for us to accept a portion of a person's contribution while neglecting the balance. A case in point is Newton's corpus. We celebrate and pass on his contributions to physics and mathematics, while leaving his writings on theology and more alchemical matters on the shelf. This strategy of compartmentation has been employed with Fuller as well: his name will appear in the index of an architecture book, in connection with the domes, but as a philosopher, his thinking has been largely ignored by the mainstream philosophy departments. 'Synergetics' in particular has been bleeped over as a somewhat indecipherable discourse, is a 'work without genre' as Applewhite puts it. However, within 'Synergetics' one finds a good many ideas which (a) are linked inextricably to already accepted and implemented inventions, as per the patents and (b) are accessible to young children, are in no way obscure or impenetrable, and in fact represent major advances in pedagogy. And so the corpus tends to hang together, as a kind of tensegrity. So as 'Synergetics' starts to enter mainstream academia as a magnum opus worthy of legitimate scholarship, via such essays as the one by Krausse and Lichtenstein introducing volume 2 of 'Your Private Sky', the strategy of compartmentation, looking at one aspect of Fuller's contribution while entirely ignoring the balance, is revealed in retrospect to have been a short term coping mechanism only -- doomed to failure over the long haul. As E.J. Applewhite said to me over the phone some time ago, he could "die a happy man" now that he'd seen 'Private Sky' volume 2 in print (he got his copy early, as a contributor -- mine just came from Amazon recently). As the director of Physicians for Social Responsibility put it at a World Peace Conference here in Portland recently, we don't hold prehistoric cave people accountable for not using a knife and fork or having 20th century table manners. Emily Post hadn't written her book yet. No contemporaries of the average cave person set the standard, showing us in retrospect that it was humanly possible to have reached this level of civilization as yet. But on the other hand, when you have contemporary humans advancing an ethical code and realistic strategies for achieving the betterment of the human state, then others living at the same time, yet contributing only strategies for increasing violence and misery in the world, do indeed come off as barbaric and/or moronic in retrospect -- even if the number of contemporaries with the relatively enlightened viewpoints are only a few in absolute numbers. They nevertheless represent human potential at that point in history. Over and over Fuller insisted he was but an average human being, albiet one hell-bent on serving omni-humanity. His assertion was undermining of those who would dismiss him as a freak of nature, a fluke, a mutant -- and, being something of a professional subversive, he was well aware how undermining was his avowal of averageness. Likewise, the Dalai Lama these days takes every opportunity to assure us that he's just like the rest of us, both physically and psychologically, once superficial differences are removed. This frustrates our tendency to set up a double standard, one for "higher beings" and another for ourselves -- because if it's not a question of being a "higher being", then we can't use that as an excuse for not living up to the average, healthy human standard. We will all be judged by the same criteria. So we are now in a position to interpret historical events in light of Fuller's and others' design science initiative proposals -- and that gives us leverage, as these interpretations become the legacy of individuals self-conscious about what will be said about them later. The analysis and concrete proposals of Leonardo-types like Fuller, for raising living standards, abolishing death by starvation and so on, comprise an ethical yardstick with which to measure the relative height or moral stature of others -- so many of whom will turn out to be moral midgets in retrospect, not to be taken seriously as the sophisticated "movers and shakers" they so want others to see them as being. As Applewhite puts it, we're confronted with a new "technological imperative", now that we have the metaphysical know-how, in principle, to improve our physical state. This changes the variables in so many equations. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 04:44:49 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Ongoing trimtabbing... <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 22-MAY-2001 4:44 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, I'm glad to hear that the V.14 is the "just a reg'lar dude" version of The Godking of The Holy Tibetan Empire (His Upness, The Dalai Lama; did he take his cue from Scorcese ?-) as for the Newtonian Corpus, you dig that "up" at your own risk. I prefer to think of him in the veign of Harry Potter, as the Minister of the Office of Misinformation (formally known as the President of the Royal Society .-) who is holding that function, now, is s question of *divide et impera*, but we can say that the USA office is held by Dick Cheney, who is also known (by The Economist) as the "Muggles PM". thus quoth: mathematics, while leaving his writings on theology and more alchemical matters on the shelf. This strategy of compartmentation has been employed with Fuller as well: his name will appear in the index of an architecture book, in connection with the domes, but as a philosopher, thus quoth: To this end (curriculum overhaul), I launched what I called a Math Makeover campaign in Novermber of '97, with an eye toward '98 as a banner year. The exhibit page is still at my website, though dated: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/makeover0.html and this page in turn leads to a more up-to-date workhorse page: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/makeover1.html The text and pictures on this latter haven't changed, but I continue updating the links in the for further reading, in order to chronicle the evolution of this strategy (a kind of chronofile). Now you might think that I'm getting heavy into left-wing politics what with the picture of Chomsky up top. But if you actually read the text, you'll seem I'm making an analogy: Chomsky is entrenched at MIT as a tenured professor, and has the respect of peers in linguistics for his transformational grammar, a contribution to a technical literature. For this reason, Chomsky, can't be easily dismissed as an irrelevant crackpot and therefore his views have some currency, a following. COMPLICITY PROCURES THE DUCT-TAPE OF SILENCE > HTTP://WWW.TARPLEY.NET/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:03:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Essay favoring decentralized electrification In-Reply-To: <002c01c0bd5d$5898f000$8e0efbcf@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Walden Bello, with whom I've had lunch at least once, writes useful analysis re development policies, in South Asia especially. Even as we monitor the development of a global grid ala the GENI model, we need to look at ways in which power generation might local and close to home. I think Bhutan has an interesting and viable approach, with an emphasis on micro-hydel stations. Kirby ************************************************* The Paradigm Crisis behind the Power Crisis By Walden Bello (This article is based on the author's talk at the Teach-in on "Technology and Globalization" sponsored by the International Forum on Globalization on Feb. 24-25, 2001, in New York City.) In many developing nations today, state-owned centralized power systems are mired in mismanagement, corruption, and debt. And in country after country, influential multilateral agencies such as the Asian Development Bank and the World Bank, have come up with a cure-all: privatization and deregulation. This is the case in India, Thailand, and the Philippines. Yet the state ownership versus privatization debate obscures the complexities of the crisis of power generation and delivery in the Third World. For what is behind the troubles of giant agencies such as the Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand (Egat) and the National Power Corporation (Napocor) in the Philippines is not the "natural"inefficiency of state-managed enterprises but the crisis of the paradigm that underpins them: centralized electrification. Centralized technologies are inextricably linked with the politics of domination of our countries by central elites-- by technocrats, urban elites, and local and foreign big business. Behind the crisis of these technologies is the unraveling of a longtime developmentalist alliance among technocrats, multilateral agencies, and private corporations dedicated to foisting devastating technologies on developing nations in the name of a vision of modernity and the search for profitability. The power industry, in particular, illustrates this destructive symbiosis of modernity and profitability. One of the earliest expressions of the sense that generation and distribution of power was a central test of modernity was made by Lenin in 1921, when he defined socialism as "Soviet Power plus Electricity." But it was not only Soviet Marxists who equated electric power with the desirable society. Jawaharlal Nehru, the dominant figure in post-World War II India, called dams the "temples of modern India," a statement that, as Indian author Arundhati Roy points out, has made its way into primary school textbooks in every Indian language. Big dams have become an article of faith inextricably linked with nationalism. To question their utility amounts almost to sedition." Centralized Electrification The technological blueprint for power development for the post- World War II period was that of creating a limited number of power generators--giant dams, coal or oil-powered plants, or nuclear plants--at strategic points which would generate electricity that would be distributed to every nook and cranny of the country. Traditional or local sources of power that allowed some degree of self-sufficiency were considered backward. If you were not hooked up to a central grid, you were backward. Centralized electrification with its big dams, big plants, big nukes became the rage. Indeed, there was an almost religious fervor about this vision among technocrats who defined their life's work as "missionary electrification" or the connection of the most distant village to the central grid. It was, it must be noted, a grand mission that was supported in India, Thailand, South Vietnam and the Philippines by millions of dollars worth of grants from the US Agency for International Development. Not surprisingly, this generosity was not unconnected to the less than salutary mission of pacifying rural areas permeable to communist agitation. In any event, in the name of missionary electrification, India's technocrats, Roy observes in her brilliant essay, "The Cost of Living," not only built "new dams and irrigation schemes...[but also] took control of small, traditional water-harvesting systems that had been managed for thousands of years and allowed them to atrophy." Here Roy expresses an essential truth: that centralized electrification preempted the development of alternative power systems that could have been more decentralized, more people- oriented, more environmentally benign, and less capital intensive. Centralized electrification, like every ideology, served certain interests, and these were definitely not those of the ordinary masses. The key interest groups were: - key bilateral and multilateral development agencies. In Asia, the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank (ADB) became the biggest funders of centralized power technologies for export to Third World countries while, as noted earlier, USAID supported rural electrification. Centralized power development provided a grand rationale for the existence and expansion of these institutions into giant bureaucracies. - big multinational contractors like Bechtel or Enron, which made tremendous profits building dams or providing power consulting services. - exporters of power plants, including nuclear plants, like General Electric and Westinghouse, whose costs were subsidized by government export agencies, like the US Eximbank, with the taxes of citizens in the developed countries. - powerful local coalitions of power technocrats, big business, and urban-industrial elites. Despite the rhetoric about "rural electrification," centralized electrification was essentially biased toward the city and industry. Essentially, especially in the case of dams, it involved expending the natural capital of the countryside and the forests to subsidize the growth urban- based industry. Industry was the future. Industry was what really added value. Industry was synonymous with national power. Agriculture was the past. Aside from being an element in counterinsurgency programs, rural electrification was simply a small concession to the countryside to pacify opposition to city-oriented centralized electrification. Large "multipurpose" dams that allegedly provided countries simultaneously with the benefits of power and irrigation were concerned first and foremost with power for the urban sector. Costs... While these interests benefited, others paid the costs. Specifically, it was the rural areas and the environment that absorbed the costs of centralized electrification. Tremendous crimes have been committed in the name of power generation and irrigation, says Roy, but these were hidden because governments never recorded these costs. - In Thailand, for instance, the government has no records on how many communities and rural peoples have been displaced by the score of massive hydroelectric and irrigation dams built since the 1950's. Very few have been paid compensation. Communities relocated, vanished, or were simply absorbed into urban slums. - In India, Roy calculates that large dams have displaced about 33 million people in the last 50 years, about 60 per cent of them being either untouchables or indigenous peoples. Like Thailand, India, in fact, does not have a national resettlement policy for those displaced by dams. Neither does the Philippines. - The costs to the environment have been tremendous: in Thailand, hundreds of thousands of hectares of primal forest land were submerged, rivers changed their courses, fishing as a livelihood atrophied among riverine communities, and many species of fish simply vanished. In India, Roy points out, "the evidence against Big Dams is mounting alarmingly--irrigation disasters, dam- induced floods, the fact that there are more drought prone and flood prone areas today than there were in 1947. The fact that not a single river in the plains has potable water." Meager Harvest Yet what benefits have 50 years or so of centralized electrification really brought? - After imposing such high human and ecological costs, the amount of power generated by the controversial Pak Mun Dam in northeastern Thailand can barely supply the daily electricity needs of a handful of shopping malls in Bangkok. - In India, 22 per cent of power generated is lost in transmission and system inefficiencies. The proportion for the Philippines is at least 25 per cent, which is probably the standard for developing countries. - In the Philippines, after 50 years of massive electrification, over 30 per cent of rural households have no access to electricity. In India, some 70 per cent have no access to electricity. Beneficiaries Yet, this is not surprising, since centralized electrification was never really meant principally to deliver affordable power to people in an effective way. What it really meant to deliver were different: - First of all, centralized electrification was geared to deliver a vision of modernity to satisfy the ambitions of technocrats and authoritarian elites like Marcos of the Philippines, who identified his power with the power that was to be delivered by the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant. - It sought to deliver taxpayers-subsidized profits for multinational and local dam contractors and the builders of power plants like the ubiquitous Bechtel. - Centralized electrification sought provides a rationale for the maintenance and expansion of giant multilateral bureaucracies like the Asian Development Bank and the World Bank. - Centralized electrification did not aim to provide a program of coherent, balanced development but to trigger a process of destabilizing, lopsided, urban-oriented hyperdevelopment which would leave most of the countryside behind as national resources were focused on building a manufacturing and industrial sector in the manner of the West. The New Panacea Today, these systems of centralized electrification run by governments have become terribly expensive to maintain. Now the IMF, World Bank, and Asian Development Bank want governments to privatize and deregulate these systems. While governments had to keep electricity prices controlled to justify the existence of expensive generation, transmission, and distribution facilities, the private sector will be expected to raise prices and streamline services--meaning, it will simply eliminate from the rolls of consumers those who cannot pay. After having been taken for a ride by the ideology of centralized electrification, people will now be taken on another, equally dangerous spin by the ideology of privatization--by propaganda about the greater efficiency of the private delivery of essential services. Footing the Bill Not surprisingly, it is the consumers--rural and urban--who will foot the costs of the transition, for the private sector corporations--many of them transnational firms like Enron or KEPCO--will not be pushed to absorb the full costs of these capital-intensive systems purchased with massive loans by governments. In the Philippines, consumers will subsidize the sale of the National Power Corporation to the private sector by paying a tax designed to collect $10 billion in stranded costs. In country after country today, the physical assets of centralized systems are being divided up among private firms. But this is not among many small and medium firms, which would at least be consistent with philosophy of free enterprise. No, the model for us in the Third World is the system of power deregulation that California initiated in the early 1990's. For we are now told by technocrats and big business that the "economies of scale" dictate that the power facilities should go to a few, so-called efficient generators of energy. Thus, the dream of big centralized power that so many of our technocrats associated with national power has turned out to be a bad dream. It has turned out to be simply a phase in the delivery of electric power to the hands of private monopolies, many of them foreign transnationals. And with the botched California deregulation as a model, it need hardly be stated that we are likely to be headed for a much bigger economic disaster than the crisis of state-run centralized power systems. People are, however, underestimated. For throughout the Third World at this point, in places like Narmada in India, in Pak Mun in Thailand, people are actively engaged in struggles against the implementation of centralized technologies bent on delivering the illusion but not the reality of national progress. These struggles in the distant countryside are beginning to wake up the supposed urban beneficiaries of centralized electrification to the reality that this obsolete and flawed paradigm of national advance is actually turning out to be phase in the delivery of horribly expensive national assets at their expense to the hands of private monopolies, like the power distributor Meralco in the Philippines, a corporation that is the quintessential representative of the incestuous union of electricity, monopoly, and super-profitability. People, in short, are increasingly aware that the struggle for community, for independence, for the future is now inextricably linked to the struggle against bad centralized technologies that simply promote domination, dependence, and dissolution. Walden Bello is the executive Director of Focus on the Global South and can be contacted at waldenbello@hotmail.com ************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:04:12 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: marksomers Subject: Home depot or bust. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0E335.0ACF3F20" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0E335.0ACF3F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Morgan Fairchilds bust actually, But seriously folks. ( drum roll ) ..... spaaaaaaaa ... My last post consisted mostly of lyrics to a Santana song ( Yes I know = "A bunch of damn hippies" ) ,,,, I song I felt compelling .... 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0E33D.D4A3F900-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:29:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: Cyberdome - Interactive computer-generated theater Comments: To: domesteading@sculptors.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just found this one. It's a planetarium-style theater that seats 170 people, has realtime computer generated movies, and each seat has a 5 button control pad, so the audience can explore the space in realtime. The one I just discovered is in Wichita, Kansas. It's the second one built. http://www.exploration.org/html/cyberdome.html The first one is in Chicago. http://www.es.com/pressroom/2000archive/pr06-13-2000.html Are there any list members in either of these locations who've been to this thing? It sounds really cool! Pat ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:45:42 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Fwd from philosophy list (w/ typos fixed) In-Reply-To: <200105231730.f4NHUYp30578@bootstrap.sculptors.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Fixing typos, reposting from elsewhere... ========================================== From: "Kirby Urner" Date: Wed May 23, 2001 12:15 pm Subject: Re: Cultural Presumptions --- In epdg@y..., Sophia Wong wrote: > Kirby, I read your comments with interest and hope that you find my > thoughts just as "philosophically relevant" as your own. As > someone who has tried on various "labels" at different times, I > believe there is significant philosophical content in the words we > choose to describe ourselves and others. > > Sophia Wong Sure I do. When I said "Oriental vs. Occidental" might be useful in some contexts, I was thinking primarily of etymologies, of corporation names in particular. Northwest Orient Airlines was one of the first to connect cities like Minneapolis to places like Tokyo. Pan American airlines is long gone, but the name gives a sense of its original business plan. And then there was Trans World Airlines (TWA), now being bought up by... Then we have companies like Occidental Petroleum. Still around? The word "Occidental" seemed to become quaint, archaic, old-sounding, a lot sooner than "Oriental" did, yet originally the two were a pair. It wasn't "Westerner vs. Oriental" but "Occidental vs. Oriental". As for language games with "East", it's all rather confusing. I live in what's called the "Far West" by some. Further to the west, we've got the "Far East", closer to where I sit than Jerusalem and Aman in the so-called "Near East". That whole "Near vs Far East" dichotomy has a very Eurocentric flavor, having grown up vis-a-vis trade by sea between harbors in these various regions. It's not a suitable conceptual apparatus for my neck of the woods and I don't think in those terms. The concept of the "Pacific Rim" has some appeal. It resonates with "American Lake" -- a term used derisively of those "manifest destiny" types who treat the Pacific as some "back yard" wherein to perpetrate untold mischief -- as when the Atomic Energy Commision declared the entire northern Pacific off limits shipping in order to play with hydrogen bombs (the crew of a small boat known as the Phoenix was one of those which challenged the legal and ethical basis of this declaration -- and the Phoenix story is still to this day part of the shared cultural lore in my neck of the woods, with the crew as role model heros, and AECers as arrogant fools). I've got white skin and a largish frame, stand 6' 1" (if I'm not slouching) and speak a fairly standard American-style English. I spent a lot of my boyhood growing up in Asia (the Philippines in particular). No, my family is not military (Quaker, to be precise -- no, not missionaries), although I spent some time on USA military bases (we had access to the PXs and such). My friends and associates in the international schools I attended (Overseas School of Rome, Italy, during much of my six years in that city -- Junior English School of Rome before that, where I developed an "English accent" -- subsequently lost it)) were from all over the map. So I'm maybe one of those people who "doesn't look the part" (whatever that means). My parents left Portland (the city in which I'm sitting in now), when I was about six, and subsequently lived in Rome, Washington DC, Bradenton, Manila, Cairo, Dhaka, Thimphu and Maseru (most would need to check an Atlas to find where some of those are -- Bradenton is in Florida, one of those Gulf Coast USA states). When I showed up for college (Princeton, New Jersey) from the Philippines, I looked and acted sort of "normal", but didn't seem to have an up to date understanding of popular music or some other essential aspects of USA culture -- so my friends got to educate me, almost as if I were from another planet (nothing new -- even in the Philippines I was nick-named "the Martian" sometimes, thanks to Josh Hoyt, but that doesn't mean I was unpopular -- just when they invited me to represent the USA in that model United Nations, I made a speech to the delegates that these little flag thingys were kinda silly and obsolete and we should reject being categorized as to "nation of origin" -- I tossed my flag from the desk, and the others did likewise -- a united "nations" we were no more (much to the chagrin of our corporate sponsors) but we felt more bonded in spirit I think, thanks in part to my favorite Martian ice-breaker tactics). Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:39:56 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Geodesic domes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c3.10ffe210.283e4d0c_boundary" --part1_c3.10ffe210.283e4d0c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I am a new subscriber. My 11 yr old son is studying Buckminster Fuller as his "Great American" project. We would like to build a small geodesic dome for a display item. We only have a week so we are looking for something simple that can be made with household/craft materials. If we can't make something, we would like to purchase a kit, but the BFI store is too slow ... won't get here in time. Any ideas? Thanks Art Bell --part1_c3.10ffe210.283e4d0c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi

I am a new subscriber.  My 11 yr old son is studying Buckminster Fuller as
his "Great American" project.  We would like to build a small geodesic dome
for a display item.  

We only have a week so we are looking for something simple that can be made
with household/craft materials.  If we can't make something, we would like to
purchase a kit, but the BFI store is too slow ... won't get here in time.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Art Bell
--part1_c3.10ffe210.283e4d0c_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:54:44 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: Geodesic domes Comments: cc: ABell9086@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_29de.326d.31a9 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_29de.326d.31a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a new subscriber. My 11 yr old son is studying Buckminster Fuller as his "Great American" project. We would like to build a small geodesic dome for a display item. We only have a week so we are looking for something simple that can be made with household/craft materials. If we can't make something, we would like to purchase a kit, but the BFI store is too slow ... won't get here in time Sure, no problem. My favorite dome is the 3-frequency dome. OK, do you have any background with geodesic domes? A little background: Geodesic domes are fully triangulated trusses, which are inherently stable and self supporting. They are usually derived from the basic Platonic solids, the tetrahedron, the octahedron, and the icosahedron. Each of these basic shapes is made from equilateral triangles, and the icosahedron is "kind of" spherical to start with. Now, frequency: In a triangle, there are 3 sides. This is a 1-frequency triangle. If you split each side into 2 pieces, and "connect the dots," you end up with 6 triangles -- a 2-frequency triangle. If you split the sides into 3 pieces each, and connect the dots, you end up with 9 triangles and a 3-F triangle. This is the basis for my favorite dome, the 3F icosa. You just divide each of the original triangles up to be 3F triangles, and you have a 3F dome. The reason I like this dome, is that it is easy to build, but sufficiently complex to be interesting. It also ends up using the same geometry as a soccer ball -- hexagons and petagons touching each other. In fact, you might get a soccer ball as a visual aid, to explain the geometry in a simple and "familiar" way. So, let's build a dome. Get yourself some drinking straws and some pipe cleaners (chenille stems) as your basic materials. Cut your pipe cleaners into short lengths and fold them into "L" shapes. You will use these as your hubs, and simply stick them into the ends of the drinking straws to make the connection. Friction will hold it together. Now -- you'll have to cut your straws into 3 exact lengths. There is a thing called a "chord length" which is well documented on the web. What it is, is a ratio -- the length of the straw as it relates to the diameter of your dome. Let's say you want a 1 foot diameter dome. The lengths needed for a 3F dome would be ~0.338 feet , and two others (that I can't remember right now). See how it works? If you want a 30 foot diameter dome, you need 30*0.338 = 10.14 foot long struts. Now, you can find chord lengths and construction details online, at quite a few sites. Start with http://www.one.net/~monkey which is a VERY good site for geodesic construction details, and which has tables for chord lengths for frequencies up to 5. Hope this helps... -- Chuck Knight P.S. Are you *the* Art Bell, from the radio? ----__JNP_000_29de.326d.31a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Each of these basic shapes is made from equilateral triangles, and=20 the
icosahedron is "kind of" spherical to start with.
 
Now, frequency:  In a triangle, there are 3 sides.  This is = a=20 1-frequency
triangle.  If you split each side into 2 pieces, and "connect the= =20 dots," you
end up with 6 triangles -- a 2-frequency triangle.  If you split = the=20 sides
into 3 pieces each, and connect the dots, you end up with 9 triangles<= /DIV>
and a 3-F triangle.
 
This is the basis for my favorite dome, the 3F icosa.  You just = divide=20 each
of the original triangles up to be 3F triangles, and you have a 3F=20 dome.
 
The reason I like this dome, is that it is easy to build, but=20 sufficiently
complex to be interesting.  It also ends up using the same = geometry=20 as
a soccer ball -- hexagons and petagons touching each other.
 
In fact, you might get a soccer ball as a visual aid, to explain the <= /DIV>
geometry in a simple and "familiar" way.
 
So, let's build a dome.  Get yourself some drinking straws and=20 some
pipe cleaners (chenille stems) as your basic materials.
 
Cut your pipe cleaners into short lengths and fold them into "L"
shapes.  You will use these as your hubs, and simply stick them=20 into
the ends of the drinking straws to make the connection. =20 Friction
will hold it together.
 
Now -- you'll have to cut your straws into 3 exact=20 lengths.  There is a
thing called a "chord length" which is well documented on the web.
What it is, is a ratio -- the length of the straw as it relates to=20 the
diameter of your dome.
 
Let's say you want a 1 foot diameter dome.  The lengths = needed=20 for a 
3F dome would be ~0.338 feet , and two others (that I can't= =20 remember
right now).  See how it works?  If you want a 30 foot = diameter=20 dome,
you need 30*0.338 =3D 10.14 foot long struts.
 
Now, you can find chord lengths and construction details online,
at quite a few sites.  Start with http://www.one.net/~monkey which
is a VERY good site for geodesic construction details, and which
has tables for chord lengths for frequencies up to 5.
 
Hope this helps...
 
     -- Chuck Knight
 
P.S.  Are you *the* Art Bell, from the radio?
----__JNP_000_29de.326d.31a9-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:01:13 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: Geodesic domes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain You could try a small version of my cardboard dome. You could Xerox copies of the panel layouts onto cardstock, cut them out and tape (or otherwise fasten) them together. http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/domes/kalenak/ Good Luck with your project. -Tony Kalenak. -----Original Message----- From: [SMTP:ABell9086@AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:40 AM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Geodesic domes Hi I am a new subscriber. My 11 yr old son is studying Buckminster Fuller as his "Great American" project. We would like to build a small geodesic dome for a display item. We only have a week so we are looking for something simple that can be made with household/craft materials. If we can't make something, we would like to purchase a kit, but the BFI store is too slow ... won't get here in time. Any ideas? Thanks Art Bell ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:00:11 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Robert Conroy Subject: Geodesic domes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Art Bell wrote: <> I have a zip file with a 2/5 38' diameter geodesic set on a kneewall whic= h can be printed out on card stock, then cut with a scissors, and then scot= ch taped together. = URL: http:members.aol.com/gmdome/36co-gif.zip For more detailed information go to URL: http://hometown.aol.com/dometruss ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:27:23 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Geodesic domes Comments: cc: ABell9086@AOL.COM In-Reply-To: <2F175DC588EFD211B37C0060088FAC39186E5F@pscserver3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Trevor Blake's 'How to Build a Geodesic Dome Model' is also good, for learning about the dome. Linked from http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/domeres.html My list of dome manufacturers, vendors is at http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/domeman.html -- many have kits available. Kirby At 09:01 AM 5/24/2001 -0500, you wrote: >You could try a small version of my cardboard dome. >You could Xerox copies of the panel layouts onto cardstock, cut them out and >tape (or otherwise fasten) them together. >http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/domes/kalenak/ > >Good Luck with your project. > >-Tony Kalenak. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:18:41 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 'Bill' 'Eagleton' Subject: Re: Geodesic domes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > I am a new subscriber. My 11 yr old son is studying Buckminster Fuller as his "Great American" project. We would like to build a small geodesic dome for a display item. > > We only have a week so we are looking for something simple that can be made with household/craft materials. > Art Bell There is a Christmas ornament you can do as an heirloom, so adapt this... Take wrapping paper from 20 dif packages from gifts/folks youi treasure. Draw a circle on the back of the paper with a glass or can as a template. Marke 3 120 degree spots on all, done most easily with a triangle from ceareal box cardboard, again, 1 for a template. Mark all 20 circles on the back, preferable drawing a triangle. Fold these as tabs, so a triangle results from the circle. Glue 2 together, and continue so that you get 5 together, as a 3D pentagon. Do this with 5 others, yield in 2, 3D pentagons. (Tabs for an "ornament, are nicest when "out" but you can do this with tabs inward too.) Now glue a triangle to every tab left on each pentagon... these will mesh with the other pentagon w tabs, like teeth of a gear, to be glued... forming a duodecahedron. The MOST sides a structure can have with 1 shape only, found in nature as galena or garnet I believe... garnet... galena is for catwhisker radio detectors... BillSF9c __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 05:30:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Geodesic domes <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 24-MAY-2001 5:30 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us you're not Art "Captain Radio Contrails" Bell; are you?... if you're up to it, use "a pair" of compasses to make the template, the equigonal trigon (equilateral triangle), as an exercise in synthetic geometry with the kid; eh? is it true, that a nonequigonal template would still make for a constructable (glue-able, in this case) "sphere" ?? well, I thought that the "2F" icosah. had the futbol symmetry; dividing each trigon at the edges, causes 6 small ones to meet, there!... as for Bill's definition, of course, it's the icosahedron (dodecasteron) is the shape that has the most *regular* facets, that is convex. thus quoth: duodecahedron. The MOST sides a structure can have with 1 shape only, found in --Les Dukes d'Enron! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 05:51:05 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: a year at the races <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 24-MAY-2001 5:51 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us as I argue in an "open letter to LA Dems," there is really no point in "controlling" Congress, or in fighting the "need" of the administration for "fast track;" why? because most of them, and us, have been inculcated for decades with the ideology of "trade is freedom," even though this procurement of *globalisation* is done by imperialism, as it is properly known. it is also anti-American, anti-republican, and anti-democratic-republican -- so, there! parenthetically, I was unable to deliver my letter to the local Dem Club meeting, because I was given the wrong address, by an officer of the club -- which represents a bit of a turning-point, I guess! the other main element of my letter, was to note the ominous parallel between the national races take-over by the "Financial Services Modernization Act of '99" (and its 527 Cmtes.), and California's Prop.34 infusion of bucks into the mayoral and all other California races. COMPLICITY PROCURETH THE DUCT-TAPE OF SILENCE > HTTP://WWW.TARPLEY.NET/bushb.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:21:37 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Pillow Dome Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0E497.84654D80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0E497.84654D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A b&w pic of J Baldwin's Pillow Dome at Pacific High School in the hills = above Los Gatos, CA, in about 1970: = http://www.tdl.com/~crichard/phs/5.html _Domebook One_, pages 21-24 & back cover _Domebook 2_, pages 41-44 Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0E497.84654D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A b&w pic of J Baldwin's Pillow Dome at Pacific = High=20 School in the hills above Los Gatos, CA, in about 1970: http://www.tdl.com/~cric= hard/phs/5.html
 
_Domebook One_, pages 21-24 & back = cover
_Domebook 2_, pages 41-44

Joe S Moore
joemoore@qwest.net
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore= /
Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0E497.84654D80-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:03:44 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: For Buckminster Fuller Comments: To: Hema Srinivasan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Mr Srinivasan, There must be some misunderstanding; I don't have any project underway at this time, except maintaining my free website. However, I do have information available about proven earthquake-resistant structures. See "Geodesic Domes/Stress" http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-S.htm (scroll down to "Stress Analysis"). Please feel free to use any material on my educational web site as it is intended to be in the public domain. Please contact me if you have any questions. Sincerely, Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hema Srinivasan" To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:54 AM Subject: For Buckminster Fuller > Dear Sir > Allow me to introduce our magazine. Indian Architect and Builder is India's > niche architectural magazine that features good architectural projects from > all over India. We also have a section called International that features > projects from other countries. > > For our June issue we are doing a feature on Earthquake resistant homes. > This is in response to the earthquake that struck Gujrat, India on 26th Jan > , 2001. Naturally we lacked in being prepared and even the rehabilitation > process lacks good technology. For which I write to you. I believe it would > help very much for people to know what an earthquake could do, and how they > can be prepared for it. For the same I would like to feature your project in > our magazine. I would appreciate it very much if you could send me the > material in the form of high resolution photographs and a brief text > explaining the technology involved. Also please include the firm profile so > that it helps in future interaction. > > As we have a readership of more than 3 lakhs it would help you to reach to a > wider audience. But as our issue closes on 30th May, I request you to send > me the material immediately by courier. Hoping for a favorable reply. > Thank you and best regards, > > Hema Srinivasan > Writer-IA&B > > Should you have any doubts , please feel free to contact me at: > 206-210,2nd flr, balrama bldg, > Bandra-Kurla complex, Bandra-east > Mumbai - 400 051 > Tel: 022-6592636/37 > Fax: 022-6591592 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:05:02 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Your Private Sky Exhibit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E7B1.7B463440" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E7B1.7B463440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable According to the BFI, the exhibit "Your Private Sky R Buckminster = Fuller" will be in Japan as follows: June 2nd - Sept. 2nd, 2001 The Museum of Modern Art Kamakura, Japan Sept. 14th - Nov. 4th, 2001 Aichi Prefectural Museum of Art Nagoya, Japan Nov. 29th, 2001 - May 6th, 2002 The Watari Museum of Modern Art=20 Watari-Um, Tokyo, Japan For further info see: http://www.bfi.org/private_sky.htm Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E7B1.7B463440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
According to the BFI, the exhibit "Your Private Sky R = Buckminster=20 Fuller" will be in Japan as follows:

June 2nd - Sept. 2nd, 2001
The Museum of Modern Art
Kamakura, Japan
 
Sept. 14th - Nov. 4th, 2001
Aichi Prefectural Museum of Art
Nagoya, Japan
 
Nov. 29th, 2001 - May 6th, 2002
The Watari Museum = of Modern=20 Art
Watari-Um, Tokyo, Japan
 
For further info see: http://www.bfi.org/pr= ivate_sky.htm

Joe S Moore
joemoore@qwest.net
http://www.cruzio.com/~= joemoore/
Buckminster=20 Fuller Virtual Institute
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E7B1.7B463440-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:04:16 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Dymaxion house plans? Eric, Go to the following page: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Dy-Dz.htm Scroll down to "Dymaxion/Dwelling Machine/Henry Ford Museum" Also scroll further down to "Dymaxion/House (Wichita)/Patent" See also http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/AboutBFbookTOC-TheArtifactsOfBFvol2.h tm (scroll down to #3) Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute "Usenetserver" wrote in message news:32UQ6.57585$gc5.2344410@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com... > Anyone know if there are blueprints for the house? > If I can get my hands on them, I'm thinking of trying to build one... > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:15:59 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Workweek length Comments: To: Jeffery J SMITH MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeffery, See http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Will-Work.htm (scroll down to "Work") Also see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/La-Lan.htm (scroll down to "Labor") In addition, go to the bottom of my Home page and do a search for "work week"; you should get 16 hits. Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net (NEW) http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffery J SMITH" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Workweek length > Hi. > > Twenty years ago, I read Bucky. One passage sticks with me, about how > long the work week could be. Bucky took the basic wealth Americans > consume - food, clothes, shelter, medicine, transportation, communication > - took the manhours used to produce the goodies, divided that by the > total adult workforce, and came up with two hours per week for each of > us. Does this ring a bell? I can't remember which of his books and essays > I read it in. A friend definitely could not find it in "Critical Path" > (1981), which he just bought, the last book he ever wrote. Can you > reference this for me? Thanks. > > SMITH, Jeffery J. > President, Geonomy Society, www.progress.org/geonomy > Share Earth's worth to prosper and conserve. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:48:05 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: simulate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This site may be of interest to non-programming people. Or anyone. http://atoms.org.uk/ Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:25:22 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Marnie A. Jackson" Subject: Re: GEODESIC Digest - 25 May 2001 to 28 May 2001 (#2001-141) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't remember how I got on this e-mail list, but I would like to get off now. Can anyone offer assistance? Thanks, Marnie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:06:08 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 'Bill' 'Eagleton' Subject: Re: GEODESIC Digest - 25 May 2001 to 28 May 2001 (#2001-141) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > I don't remember how I got on this e-mail list, but I would like to get off now. Can anyone offer assistance? > Thanks, Marnie I think instructions come along ever 2 weeks. BillSF9c __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:52:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jeffery J SMITH Subject: Workweek shrinks Comments: To: joemoore@qwest.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 29 May 2001 22:15:59 -0700 "Joe S Moore" writes: > Jeffery, > > See http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Will-Work.htm > (scroll down to "Work") > > Also see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/La-Lan.htm > (scroll down to "Labor") > > In addition, go to the bottom of my Home page and do a search for > "work > week"; you should get 16 hits. Joe S Moore, dear, Huge thanks. Very helpful. Much more so than the other two BF sites. BTW ... The world works in wonderous ways. Did you know … The World Bank’s chief economist got fired for his beliefs? A geonomic bill got as far as the Virginia governor’s desk? Somewhere tax evasion is 90% and a tax increase was 700%? A near consensus of Yanks want what geonomics delivers? Why America’s erstwhile top city fell almost to the bottom? Microsoft should be $10 billion in the red? The IRS is demoralized by fewer indictments? A sci-fi bestseller envisions a geotopia? Some large landowners once yielded rent for roads? A conservative DC thinktank critiques capitalism? Check out these stories and more in the latest issue of *The Geonomist* at http://www.progress.org/geono94.htm Tell a friend. SMITH, Jeffery J. President, Geonomy Society, www.progress.org/geonomy Share Earth's worth to prosper and conserve. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:17:46 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: GEODESIC Digest - 25 May 2001 to 28 May 2001 (#2001-141) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Send Message to=20 LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU =20 With command in subject or body of email (I forget which). LISTSERV=AE version 1.8d - most commonly used commands INFO Order documentation (plain text files) SUBscribe listname Subscribe to a list SIGNOFF listname Sign off from a list SIGNOFF * (NETWIDE - from all lists on all servers Query listname Query your subscription options Search listname keyword... Search list archives SET listname options Update your subscription options INDex Order a list of LISTSERV files GET filename filetype Order a file from LISTSERV There are more commands; send an INFO REFCARD command for a = comprehensive reference card, or just INFO for a list of available documentation = files. If you prefer, you can use LISTSERV through its web interface = at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa (the full manuals can = also be browsed online at this URL). This server is managed by: listmaster@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu =20 -----Original Message----- From: Marnie A. Jackson [SMTP:marnie@JUDGEMENT.COM] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:25 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: GEODESIC Digest - 25 May 2001 to 28 May 2001 (#2001-141) I don't remember how I got on this e-mail list, but I would like to get off now. Can anyone offer assistance? Thanks, Marnie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:28:16 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Triton City Comments: To: bspanjer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bart, Go to the bottom of my home page and do a search for Triton; you should get 14 hits. If you can get ahold of the books mentioned, you should have plenty of drawings, specs, etc. Hit #2 is the study that Fuller did on the proposed Triton project; it's available from the US government. Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net (NEW) http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ----- Original Message ----- From: "bspanjer" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: Triton City > Dear Joe, > I'm a student architecture from the Netherlands and working on my > graduation-thesis about the Triton city project. > I have been searching for data about Triton for a long time now, but am > still unable to find sufficient data, specifications and especsially > plans of Triton. I have visited your site for a few times and wondered > if you could help me out.. > I allready spoke to some people of the Stanford University if they found > any original plans of Bucky, but unfortunately they are still working on > the re-archiving and havent found anything sofar. > Please help me if you can, my time is rapidly running out.. > a desperate student from Amsterdam. > Best regards, > Bart Spanjer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:33:29 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: PEN Weekly NewsBlast for May 25, 2001 <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 30-MAY-2001 11:33 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us CONGRESS, TEACHERS, AND THE PERILS OF MERIT PAY Catherine Lugg examines a Congressional bill to use federal funds to help promote merit pay programs for public schools. Lugg reports that the bill ignores years of research suggesting merit pay systems usually don't work, particularly in education. http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/CERAI/edpolicyproject/cerai-01-19.html ONLINE PETITION OPPOSES HIGH-STAKES TESTS You are invited to add your "cyber signature" to a petition that indicates your support for authentic long-term assessment in schools. The petition was created to create public awareness of the dangers of high-stakes testing and to provide an opportunity for concerned citizens to speak out. http://www.rohan.sdsu.edu/~rgibson/petition/ A GREATER CALL FOR GUIDANCE Once dedicated chiefly to helping high school students get into college, guidance counselors are now spread among all the schools to keep the social machinery running. The issues of discipline, bullying, gossip and even grief fall to these counselors, each of whom is responsible for hundreds of students. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/education/A30949-2001May15.html CREATING RESPONSIVE CLASSROOMS The responsive classroom is a concept that stresses the critical importance of social skills in learning, familiarity with the developmental needs of each student, and partnership with parents. http://www.pdkintl.org/kappan/khor9911.htm POWERFUL, CREATIVE CLASSROOMS A free 30-minute video and teaching guide explores the many ways students benefit from a creative learning environment and provides a virtual tour through the classrooms of several Disney's American Teacher Awards Honorees. These materials are intended to promote a dialogue among educators and administrators about the role of creativity in teaching and learning. To request a free copy, send an email to Disney.Learning@disney.com To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit: http://www.PublicEducation.org/news/signup.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:14:00 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] [Fwd: Memorial Day - Howard Zinn] <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 30-MAY-2001 12:14 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us it's a bit vapid of Sir Howard to cite Thoreau's protest of the Mexican War, to ignore Lincoln's legislative attack. I wonder, in the same vein (artery?), if Bush's Cinco celebration bothered to make the connection for that most-important American holiday, but I saw no a word of it in the papers! thus quoth: > And also Thoreau, who went to jail to protest the Mexican War. --Les Dukes d'Enron! http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:21:08 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [QUAKER-P] memorial day <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 30-MAY-2001 12:21 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us again, I must ask that you safegaurd your assertion, as a subject o'the godqueen, that these companies are not, in the main, anglo-american cartels that are quite anti-republican. in particular, since April Fool's-before-last, when a british conglomerate became the USA's #1 dystributor of "petrol," and now that Canada is getting a huge windfall on their nat'l gas, since "Texan companies" (sic) started ripping us off (what was that toll-free number sponsored by the AFL-CIO, that I saw in a NYTimes in support of CA; 888/xRIP-OFF ?-) thus quoth: international economic scene, the *control* of that resource is the source of great power, not only economically, but politically as well. I believe my country, Canada, has enough supplies to fuel itself also. COMPLICITY PROCURETH THE DUCT-TAPE OF SILENCE http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:07:21 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Triton City Comments: To: weaimtodevellop@space.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bart, The study itself that Fuller did is not online--just the Table of Contents. It is however available for purchase from the (USA) National Technical Information Service in Springfield, VA, for about $23 (in 1986). It's document # is PB 180-051/LC. It has lots of text, tables & charts, but NO drawings or pics. I suggest looking through the refs to other books; they have lots of pics & drawings. If you have access to a good library with its inter-library loan service, you should be able to borrow some of these books. A few are actually even available for sale either new or used. A few books by or about Fuller are online, but they don't discuss the Triton project (to the best of my memory). Here is a rather poor pic of a Triton-type structure: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Pics/Octet-City-Harbor2-color-021k.gif See this page also: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetPyramidCityOcean.htm Joe S Moore joemoore@qwest.net http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:55 AM Subject: Re: Triton City > Dear Joe, > Thank you for your fast reply, i tried to read Bucky's study straight away, but i could just read the index of that study, not the actual info like measurements etc. > Is there another site of the gouvernment with that data or did i just see the first page(i couldn't find any link/button on that page)... > I allready found quite some descriptions but am looking for plans and specifications right now. > Thanks you for your time and effort, > best regards, > Bart Spanjer ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:34:18 +0200 Reply-To: directoriosalud@saludlatina.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Directorio Salud Subject: DirectorioSalud.com, el portal de los portales sanitarios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Mediante este mensaje queremos informarle de la nueva creacisn de DirectorioSal ud.com ( http://www.directoriosalud.com ), portal sanitario desde el cual se pod ra acceder a los mejores portales especmficos dentro del campo de la Salud. 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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:53:44 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: trihedron? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is sort of a trihedron, or trivexion, or something. http://www.ipfw.edu/math/Coffman/images/Steinim1.gif What say you, Brian? Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:25:29 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: trihedron? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Escher meets Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Dick Fischbeck [SMTP:dick_fischbeck@YAHOO.COM] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 4:54 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: trihedron? This is sort of a trihedron, or trivexion, or something. http://www.ipfw.edu/math/Coffman/images/Steinim1.gif What say you, Brian? Dick