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Date:         Mon, 1 Apr 2002 05:57:41 -0800
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From:         Brian Hutchings <r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US>
Subject:      Re: [Quaker-P] water and food

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            01-APR-2002  5:57
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 wow, that is really some thing, and way-beyond
 what's been done in California.  in other words,
 Jeb is the head of a rather Green state, naturally, and
 we should ask ralfN about Gore's deal with the Supreme's, since
 he shorely wasn't responsible for what occurred
 --namely, peristalsis--
 in Florida; eh?

 thus quoth:
  Virtually all of our golf courses use recycled water.  Separate piping
 has
  been installed.  There is a waiting list for recycled water.

  We have  a progressive rate for water.  The first couple of thousand
 gallons
  are one price and it goes up significantly.  We have watering
 restrictions
  (1 day per week) on lawns even if one has a separate well)  If one waters
 a
  small 8000 square foot yard, s/he would receive a bill of about $150.00
 per
  month.   We have had reports of some wealth individuals on the coast who
  spend thousands a month on watering their lawns.  These are reported in
 the
  press.

 of course, we may have been ahead o'you on toilets!

 --Mugabe must go; don't ask, Why!
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Date:         Mon, 1 Apr 2002 06:05:45 -0800
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Subject:      Re: [Quaker-P] Re:  pentagon & pentagrams

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            01-APR-2002  6:05
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 it may be advantageous to have more sides (5),
 than fewer (3, say), but thte idea that it was "because
 of the roads," or that other happenstance supposition
 about the site, is simply too absurd for the word (absurdem).
    since the symbol can be taken either way,
 it's a matter of looking Bergstrom et al "up,"
 to determine whether he was, say, a Freemason (in which case,
 he'd have had to sold his soul by the 33rd degree, or so .-)

 but that would just be a matter of their ilk scoring an occult,
 esoteric symbolic point, at most, becuase
 if you don't know how to construct a pentagon (with compasses),
 then you don't know the literal frist thing
 about science.

 thus quoth:
  The Pentagon was designed by George Edwin Bergstrom, a Los
  Angeles architect working for $1.00 a year.  I doubt that he
  intended the design to honor Satan, however we may interpret
  his clear support for the U.S. war effort.  The official
  story is that "The building's pentagonal shape was a result
  of the road configuration at the original site."

  http://renovation.pentagon.mil/history-construction.htm

 --Today's is Ceasar Chavez Day and/or Lincoln's B-day ?!?
 http://quincy4board.homestead.com/
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Date:         Mon, 1 Apr 2002 06:18:57 -0800
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Subject:      Re: [Quaker-P] when Friends deny the best understanding of the sc

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            01-APR-2002  6:18
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 there is no amount of media headlining
 --if enough of the particulars are laid-out,
 to show the awesome amibuities involved in the old. bad phrase,
 "global warming," such as that the Ross Ice Shelf and
 all other "shelves" are akin to floating ice cubes (bergs,
 as yet unbroken and still attached to the landed sheet;
 this was stated in the first *sentence* of the NYTimes piece
 that I saw, the other day)--
 that can cause a "concensus" to become thte truTh.
    I may not be the only one in these venues to question it,
 but it really is a matter of computerized simulacra,
 not the actual observations, and headlines in papers, and
 talking heads reading them.  I mean,
 how many standard deviations are involved
 in an "Abrupt end of the Eemian Interglacial, *sensu strictu*" ??
    while, *you* were careful not to say "warming,"
 the UNIPCC has been very careful to make sure that,
 when they say "change," they mean, "The ice is melting!"
 -- and that the "deviation" goes in only one way.

 thus quoth:
  I understand skepticism. When I teach students about the Bernoulli effect
  and airplanes flying, they nod. I ask how can you nod, do you know how
 much
  airplanes weigh? They tell me that they had empirical evidence that
  airplanes can fly. And I had difficulties with everything in physics
 after
  the Rutherford gold-foil experiment, that showed the nuclei of atoms are
  small. The first problem came in second year physics with the tunnel
  effect--electrons that don't have enough energy to go over an energy wall
  sometimes tunnel through. I didn't believe this at all, though I was
 aware
  that people who did believe it had invented tunnel diodes and the
 tunneling
  electron microscope.

  The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says (go to the local
  bookstore that sells university press, or see http://www.unep.ch/ipcc for
  the complete reports; vols 1 and 2 are more than 1,000 pages each, vol 3
 is
  much shorter),
   An increasing body of observations gives a collective picture of a
 warming
  world and other changes in the climate system

 --Today's is Ceasar Chavez Day and/or Lincoln's B-day ?!?
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Date:         Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:42:52 -0800
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Subject:      Re: [Quaker-P] Collapsing the doubts on warming

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            01-APR-2002 11:42
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 this was the same "Rhode-Island-sixed" edge o'the Lawson B *shelf*,
 that the NYT article'd referred to up-front,
 as being *floating*, already, "down" in Antarctica.
    all that one has to do is read the whole article,
 generally, to see that there is a lot of leeway
 to the godforsaken "models," as shown in the article:
 Scambos was quick to say over the telephone that not all of Antarctica is
 melting as fast as the wicked witch of the west. Some parts of the frozen
 continent show signs of thickening. Global warming theories include
 conflicting patterns of heat and cold across the planet. The inescapable
 overall fact is that the temperature at the earth's poles has risen 4.5
 degrees in the last half-century, five times faster than the temperature of
 the rest of the planet.

 as for the inescapability of that fact,
 I'd have to see what the author was referncing, because
 this wasn't stated;
 sounds like a UNIPCC crystal-ball smashing
 (you'd be upset, as well, at those models .-)

 --Mugabe must go; don't ask, Why!
 >      >>http://quincy4board.homestead.com/

 thus quoth:
 http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/081/oped/Collapsing_the_doubts_on_warming+.

  shtml
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Date:         Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:46:22 -0800
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            01-APR-2002 11:46
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 John von Neumann was brought into Rand to develop the games section. Soon,
 how one used the simulations themselves became an independent discipline
 at Rand, called ``strategic systems analysis''--which came into general use
 under the name ``systems analysis.''

 The tragic effects of Rand's utopian influence became clear in the Vietnam
 War, where a company commander could not call for air support until he had
 checked with the Pentagon directly: Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara,
 a systems analysis fanatic, had to make sure that such support was within
 the parameters of the currently running scenario!

 Almost all of today's video combat simulations for the civilian population
 are based on hardware and software originally funded by Rand and the Air
 Force, for military use. Simulation training, like chess, has its uses.
 However, the dominance of computerized scenario games in every pore of
 today's U.S. society could never have occurred without the takeover of U.S
 military thinking by H.G. Wells's soulless utopian ideas.

 http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/utopians.htm

 --Mugabe must go; don't ask, Why!
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Date:         Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:05:41 -0700
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Ecological Design: Inventing the Future showGabriel,

I'll have to check my local listings.  Haven't seen the video or read =
the book, but I'm familiar with their website =
http://www.designoutlaws.com/index.html

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Joe S Moore
joe_s_moore@hotmail.com
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Sroka, Gabriel=20
  To: 'Joe S. Moore'=20
  Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:55 AM
  Subject: Ecological Design: Inventing the Future show


  ...was on my local pbs affiliate this weekend. have you seen it? see:=20
  www.designoutlaws.com=20
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Date:         Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:20:04 -0700
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Lamont,

Why don't you try to contact BFI directly?
See http://www.bfi.org/about_this_website.htm#h
I'm sure they would be glad to accommodate you.

PS: I don't sell anything myself.

==============================
Joe S Moore
joe_s_moore@hotmail.com
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lamont Mohammed" <z00723@rocketmail.com>
To: "Joe S Moore" <joemoore@cruzio.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:50 PM
Subject: Will you accept a money order for GRUNCH ?


>      I want to buy the GRUNCH of Giants, but your
> shopping cart only offers me the option of paying by
> credit card. Is there a way I can purchase GRUNCH by
> money order ?
>
> --- Joe S Moore <joemoore@cruzio.com> wrote:
> > Lamont,
> >
> > BFI's web address is now http://www.bfi.org/
> >
> > Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute:
> > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lamont Mohammed" <z00723@rocketmail.com>
> > To: "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@mail.cruzio.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 1:26 PM
> > Subject: The URL you gave me is not working for me.
> >
> > >
> > > --- "Joe S. Moore" <joemoore@mail.cruzio.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > Lamont,
> > > >
> > > > The Buckminster Fuller Institute sells all of
> > > > Bucky's books.  Check out
> > > > their web site at http://www.critpath.org/bfi/ .
> >
> > > > Ask them for a copy of
> > > > their latest catalog and newsletter.
> > > >
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Subject:      Re: Will you accept a money order for GRUNCH ?

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            02-APR-2002 13:09
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 did you know that it's online?...  er,
 I haven't actually looked to see if it's got every thing
 that the printed edition has, but
 there *is* a link on my site, if you scroll a-ways:

 http://quincy4board.homestead.com/MiltonAcademy.html

 scroll to the big red _S_ book, and
 it's just to the right o'that.

 --les ducs d'Enron!
 http://quincy4board.homestead.com/MiltonAcademy.html
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Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:19:29 -0800
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More food for thought:

http://www.midcoast.com/~bo/CurlyGeodesics.html

http://www.midcoast.com/%7Ebo/TetMold.html

http://www.midcoast.com/%7Ebo/BiaxGen.html



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Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:05:17 -0800
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The positions of these crystals in the spherical container
probably follow geodesic lines that are a result of
packing.

http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~ppc/lcconf.html

Dick

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The following referral was submitted on Wed Apr 03 13:00:31 CST 2002.

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Referred by : Peter Meisen

Company : GENI

Article Title : Increased Demand Spurs Improved Fullerene Production Capabilities

Article Link : http://www.industrialinfo.com/showNews.jsp?newsitemID=3108&productNumber=FREE

Comments : The demand for Buckyballs, and there multiple uses, is growing around the world.
This is great news for design science -- and for more awareness of Bucky's lasting impact.
Peter Meisen

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Subject:      Re: [Quaker-P] THE GREAT FLORIDA EX-CON GAME

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            03-APR-2002  6:25
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 mister Palast, Project Censored et al could cut the crap,
 and report on the March 27, 2001 deal
 that Al, Jr. cut with le court supreme d'Etats Unis.
 (he was just at the local "left" bookstore in SM, and
 claimed to know nothing about it; of course,
 since it was reported (as far as I know) only
 by the folks who brought the suit against the DNC,
 for infractions of the VRA o'65 that occured
 in the 1996 presedential elections,
 I believe him, iimplicitly !-)
    the point is that this is the *key* constitutional issue,
 in that the decision (refusal to hear the appeal) allows
 for the state and national parties to morph their corporate forms
 at the proverbial drop of a hat-check.

 (I dyscussed this, last night, at the same bookstore,
 with folks who are active around the local pacifica outlet.)

 thus quoth:
  Florida-DBT contract (marked "Secret" and bConfidentialb) holds DBT
  responsible for bmanual verification using telephone calls.b in
 fact, with
  the statebs blessing, DBT did not call a single felon. When I asked
 Roberts
  about the contract during an interview for BBC television, Roberts ripped
 off
  his microphone, ran into his office, locked the door, and called in state
  troopers to remove us.

 --God save the queen (by roayal edict !-)
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Subject:      Re: geodesic

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            03-APR-2002  6:32
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 y'know, "Dick,"
 some of these are really, cool, and
 they'd be even coolest, if you'd take about 35 seconds
 to think about them, and deposit a commentary; that is,
 for every single one, so as not to seem like
 you're a hoary old troller.

 thus qouth:
  http://www.midcoast.com/~bo/CurlyGeodesics.html

  http://www.midcoast.com/%7Ebo/TetMold.html

  http://www.midcoast.com/%7Ebo/BiaxGen.html

  The positions of these crystals in the spherical container
  probably follow geodesic lines that are a result of
  packing.

  http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~ppc/lcconf.html

 the latter was mildly interesting, but
 your comment was utterly frivolous, if not merely trivial
 -- grab the fork in the road & hang onto it
 for dear life (without stabbing yourself
 in the tongue, hopefully !-)

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            03-APR-2002  6:40
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 Watson is the guy who's been in charge
 of slowly peeling the about half of the scientists
 who wouldn't agree with the concensus known as "global" warming
 (circa 1896 by Svente Ahrrenius) --
 from the very beginning of the UNIPCC.
    the guy that is said to be the main other choice is an Indian,
 who was an offical at the World Bank and an ecologist (or
 some thing; I forget).

 meanwhile, Iraq is pusing for a new embargo of Arab oil, while
 the super-cartel of the Protocol of the Elders of Kyoto (sik)
 is already being implimented by Great Britain,
 using the wirldfamous emmissions-trading scheme
 that just one a shitpile of Oscars.
    can you say,
 the modern science of mental health?

 at this juncture,
 it's impossible to see that
 the Indian guy'd be any different, although
 they *do* have a somewhat braoder range
 of climates *in* India (that's a beeg heent,
 folks .-)

 thus quoth:
  Dispute Arises Over a Push to Change Climate Panel

  April 2, 2002

  By ANDREW C. REVKIN


  After a year of urging from energy lobbyists, the
  administration is seeking the ouster of an American
  scientist who heads a global warming panel.


 http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/02/science/02CLIM.html?ex=1018822638&ei=1&e
 n=1c8
 c34e9a0404e79



  HOW TO ADVERTISE

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            03-APR-2002  7:12
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 Sorry, but my site-provider has a glitch, such that
 I can't change my home page;
 here's the new reference til it's fixed, if ever, so that
 I can attach new buttons and "news" etc.:

 http://quincy4board.homestead.com/Funny.html

 (it's also the core of the curriculum
 for my schoolboard campaign .-)

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My latest discovery(new to me) is the relationship of the
number of spheres in a cloud or cluster, and it volume.

2/5(n-2)^3 = v^2

were n is the number of spheres in the shell, and v is the
volume.

Has anyone seen this before?

Dick

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--- Brian Hutchings <r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US>
wrote:
> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings
> 03-APR-2002  6:32
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  y'know, "Dick,"
>  some of these are really, cool, and
>  they'd be even coolest, if you'd take about 35 seconds
>  to think about them, and deposit a commentary; that is,
>  for every single one, so as not to seem like
>  you're a hoary old troller.

I seem to be incomprehencable to you, Brian, so why ask for
commentary?

Dick
>
>  thus qouth:
>   http://www.midcoast.com/~bo/CurlyGeodesics.html
>
>   http://www.midcoast.com/%7Ebo/TetMold.html
>
>   http://www.midcoast.com/%7Ebo/BiaxGen.html
>
>   The positions of these crystals in the spherical
> container
>   probably follow geodesic lines that are a result of
>   packing.
>
>   http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~ppc/lcconf.html
>
>  the latter was mildly interesting, but
>  your comment was utterly frivolous, if not merely
> trivial



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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            04-APR-2002  7:42
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 what does it mean, a "cloud" and a "shell" --
 just the visible layer or balls?
    it doesn't look like it fits, at any rate, but
 Who could tell from your description.

 undoubtedly, thoughyou're still trying to rescue "randomes,"
 so it is probably pure crappola!

 "Energy always-and-only (OR ELSE) hath shape!"
 --RBF.

 thus quoth:
  My latest discovery(new to me) is the relationship of the
  number of spheres in a cloud or cluster, and it volume.

  2/5(n-2)^3 = v^2

  were n is the number of spheres in the shell, and v is the
  volume.

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            04-APR-2002  8:01
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 the ICC is an awfully supranational hack
 at the sovereignity of nation-states.
    if you really want Sir Henry the K. in the docket,
 than address *your* governemnt to conform
 to the papers of extradidtion (e.g.).

 thus quoth:
  INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT:  On April 11, 2002, the sixtieth
 ratification
  of the Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court (ICC) will be
  recorded in a ceremony at the United Nations in New York.  Yet, the
 United
  States will not be among that number.  In fact, the Bush administration
 is
  considering removing the U.S. signature from the Statute, which was
  authorized in the final days of the Clinton administration.

  ACTION: Is Bush always wrong, or
 is he really going to cave-in to the "internationalists"
 on his Cabinet, and sign this unconstitutional treaty?

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            06-APR-2002  3:58
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 March 27, 2001 was when (it was, at least, officially announced
 that) the Supreme Court refused to hear the appeal
 of LaRouche versus Fowler et al.
    I know of no "(reliable) source" other than our own periodicals,
 although it must be in the records of the Supremes,
 some where (they not being on the web, last I heard of it .-)

 thereby, it has become the law of the land
 and the Creed of the Democratic Party.

 thus quoth:
  what deal? can you point me to a (reliable) source or two


  " mister Palast, Project Censored et al could cut the crap,
  and report on the March 27, 2001 deal
  that Al, Jr. cut with le court supreme d'Etats Unis"

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            06-APR-2002  4:11
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 well, some Quakers have a rather constrained view of the ICC.
    how many is 60 ratifiactions,
 over those of the Entity Formerly Known
 as the Holey Brutish Umpire?

 (Hint: it has 57 votes on the General Assembly .-)

 thus quoth:
  There are two key points.  The first is that it seeks to indict
 individuals
  regardless of nationality.  A war crime is a war crime, whoever and
  wherever.  The only problem with spoilsports like the US is that they
 would
  be unlikely to co-operate over extradition.  The sixty ratifications show
  that the world is ready for it.  In contrast to most previous tribunals,
 it
  would look less like 'victor's justice'.

  The second point is that it only covers crimes committed after it has
 come
  into effect (60 days after 60th ratification).  Langley can sleep easy,
 in

 Langley -- home of Earth's largest agence d'intelligence,
 vous disez?

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            06-APR-2002  4:21
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 this reminds of a real media horror,
 the continuous say-so that the USA is not signed the treaty
 on landmines; at least, the President of the time did, so!

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Here's an interesting tensegrity application at MIT's AI lab which is
just getting off the ground apparently:

http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/living-machines/projects/nervous-systems.shtml

Bob
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Thanks for the fascinating link Bob:)

Leifur

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> Here's an interesting tensegrity application at MIT's AI lab which is
> just getting off the ground apparently:
>
> http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/living-machines/projects/nervous-systems.shtml
>
> Bob
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            08-APR-2002 11:40
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 the following is Standard British (Empirical) Speak,
 which includes the presumption that
 "capitalism," a very simple word that was coined
 by Gauss , not Marx, is the same thing
 as "British Liberal Free Trade;" is it?

 on the wayside, mister Martin,
 Margaret Thatcher violated the Monroe Doctrine,
 with the help of a conniving General Haig;
 that, too, was not Reagan's fault, along
 with so many other things that fall at the feet
 of Sir George Bush, teh ultimate British suck-up
 (according to Lady Maggie's memoirs !-)

 thus quoth:
  Certain Margaret Thatcher helped a great deal. She was one of my
 favorites.

 thus quoth:
 <something about capitalism being free trade
 by Bob Jiggins !-.

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What we are talking about is Bucky's vertexion, my verton,
your asteron, and someone else said spheron. Same subject,
and yes, randomes are in there. We are talking about a
spherical collection of spheres, just like any sphere
packing problem, but the container of this 'cloud of
spheres' is spherical.

In an aggregate of systems, or a collection of spheres, how
ever way you want to say it, such as a big ballon full of
marbles, we can say the number of marbles touching the
balloon is the number of balls in the shell of the whole
collection of marbles.

If there are, say 92 marbles in the shell, n=92.

2/(92-2)^3=291600=v^2 , so volume is,

V=sqrt291600=540

That is volume in tets.

Say n=100, then,

2/5(100-2)^3= 400000,

v=632

This formula allows us to see the growth of a sphere of
spheres, one marble at a time. It is similiar to Bucky's
20f^3=volume, but this formula accounts for incremental
change.

I have not seen this relationship yet anywhere in Buckyland
or anywhere else for that matter. Have you?

Dick


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> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings
> 04-APR-2002  7:42
>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
>  what does it mean, a "cloud" and a "shell" --
>  just the visible layer or balls?
>     it doesn't look like it fits, at any rate, but
>  Who could tell from your description.
>
>  undoubtedly, thoughyou're still trying to rescue
> "randomes,"
>  so it is probably pure crappola!
>
>  "Energy always-and-only (OR ELSE) hath shape!"
>  --RBF.
>
>  thus quoth:
>   My latest discovery(new to me) is the relationship of
> the
>   number of spheres in a cloud or cluster, and it volume.
>
>   2/5(n-2)^3 = v^2
>
>   were n is the number of spheres in the shell, and v is
> the
>   volume.
>
>  --les ducs d'Enron!
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Brian- I heard nothing back from you on this last post. Did you miss it?

Dick

>What we are talking about is Bucky's vertexion, my verton,
>your asteron, and someone else said spheron. Same subject,
>and yes, randomes are in there. We are talking about a
>spherical collection of spheres, just like any sphere
>packing problem, but the container of this 'cloud of
>spheres' is spherical.
>
>In an aggregate of systems, or a collection of spheres, how
>ever way you want to say it, such as a big ballon full of
>marbles, we can say the number of marbles touching the
>balloon is the number of balls in the shell of the whole
>collection of marbles.
>
>If there are, say 92 marbles in the shell, n=3D92.
>
>2/(92-2)^3=3D291600=3Dv^2 , so volume is,
>
>V=3Dsqrt291600=3D540
>
>That is volume in tets.
>
>Say n=3D100, then,
>
>2/5(100-2)^3=3D 400000,
>
>v=3D632
>
>This formula allows us to see the growth of a sphere of
>spheres, one marble at a time. It is similiar to Bucky's
>20f^3=3Dvolume, but this formula accounts for incremental
>change.
>
>I have not seen this relationship yet anywhere in Buckyland
>or anywhere else for that matter. Have you?
>
>Dick
>
>
>--- Brian Hutchings <r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US>
>wrote:
>> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian =BFQuincy! Hutchings
>> 04-APR-2002  7:42
>>                  r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>>
>>  what does it mean, a "cloud" and a "shell" --
>>  just the visible layer or balls?
>>     it doesn't look like it fits, at any rate, but
>>  Who could tell from your description.
>>
>>  undoubtedly, thoughyou're still trying to rescue
>> "randomes,"
>>  so it is probably pure crappola!
>>
>>  "Energy always-and-only (OR ELSE) hath shape!"
>>  --RBF.
>>
>>  thus quoth:
>>   My latest discovery(new to me) is the relationship of
>> the
>>   number of spheres in a cloud or cluster, and it volume.
>>
>>   2/5(n-2)^3 =3D v^2
>>
>>   were n is the number of spheres in the shell, and v is
>> the
>>   volume.
>>
>>  --les ducs d'Enron!
>>  http://quincy4board.homestead.com
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            09-APR-2002  7:57
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 how did you arrive at this so-called relationship (formula),
 that is supposedly shape-independent (unlike Bucky's
 for numbers of balls) ??
    if you try to do some dimensional analysis on it,
 by explicitly using the parameters that are supposed
 to be involved with each term, you'll either a)
 dysprove it or b)
 grok it.

 thus quoth:
  >In an aggregate of systems, or a collection of spheres, how
  >ever way you want to say it, such as a big ballon full of
  >marbles, we can say the number of marbles touching the
  >balloon is the number of balls in the shell of the whole
  >collection of marbles.
  >
  >If there are, say 92 marbles in the shell, n=92.
  >
  >2/(92-2)^3=291600=v^2 , so volume is,
  >
  >V=sqrt291600=540
  >
  >That is volume in tets.
  >
  >Say n=100, then,
  >
  >2/5(100-2)^3= 400000,
  >
  >v=632
  >
  >This formula allows us to see the growth of a sphere of
  >spheres, one marble at a time. It is similiar to Bucky's
  >20f^3=volume, but this formula accounts for incremental
  >change.
  >
  >I have not seen this relationship yet anywhere in Buckyland
  >or anywhere else for that matter. Have you?

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            09-APR-2002  8:07
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 Dame Maggie was an imperialist, in that
 she successfully abused the USA's Monroe Doctrine
 in "defending" Los Islas Malvinas" from Gen. Sendellin and
 Argentina (the adjacent nation-state).  of course,
 it also seemed to help get her re-elected.
    the fact that whe was a staunch supporter
 of "Liberal Free Trade" is more of an indication
 of her imperialism (aside from having been a mere Subject
 of the Holy B.E., of course .-)

 thus quoth:
  please take them as a package!

  actually I was a little unfair on Thatcher and Milosevic. Hitler wanted
  Germany merely for the Germans (there were in fact 'grade's but I'll
 leave
  that). Thatcher was an English nationalist who saw Britain in that
 context
  and M used extreme nationalism and again saw YU through Serb eyes. Its
  worth remembering that Serbs have always seen themselves as the
  guarenteers of YU. THe bottom line is that neither of the latter are
  genocidal - however unpalatable.

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            09-APR-2002  8:11
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 well, need I say more, mister-Subject Bob J. !?!

 thus quoth:
  new liberal imperialism

  Senior British diplomat Robert Cooper is widely regarded as a key
 influence
  on the international thinking of British Prime Minister Tony Blair,
 helping
  to shape Blair's calls for a new internationalism and a new doctrine of
  humanitarian intervention which would place limits on state sovereignty.
 This
  article contains the full text of Cooper's essay on "the postmodern
 state",
  written in a personal capacity, an extract from which appears in the
 print
  edition of The Observer today. Cooper's call for a new liberal
 imperialism
  and admission of the need for double standards in foreign policy have
  outraged the left but the essay offers a rare and candid unofficial
 insight
  into the thinking behind British strategy on Afghanistan, Iraq and
 beyond.

  http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,680093,00.html

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            09-APR-2002 14:17
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 just a reminder, my home page has a glitch, such that
 I can't edit it, so my temporary default is /Funny.html,
 with a big "Oops?" button for my new entries (unfortunately,
 the online editor doesn't allow moving stuff
 from page to page, alas).
    I included the link to The Observer's article
 about "The New [Anglo-american] Imperialism" of Tony Blair,
 underlaying a button about the Kyoto Protocol (them elders,
 tee-hee !-)

 in particular, it must be said that the hysteria,
 notably "British scientists" as in the March 30th Science News,
 about the Larsen-B ice shelf, is generally contradicted
 by the actual text of the articles; in that one,
 note that the shelf has apparently only been there,
 *since* "before 12,000 y.a.," that is to say,
 around the *end* of the last glacial phase.
    look at last Tuesday's NYTimes "Science Times" front page,
 for an eccellent overview -- if
 you include a look at the Ross Ice Shelf,
 from which the prior "record-since-we-been-lookin'" bergs
 had calved -- you'll see what a tempest in a teapot
 it really is (although
 the scales between the 3 main shelves are not apparent,
 alas; I can guess .-)

 --The Shelves Are Floating!
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Before I go there, I thought I'd through this equation out
there, too. It seems to work.

For any collection of balls, or points, such as an asteron
or a vertexion, the radius, or frequency, can be written in
terms of the number of balls in the shell.

(n-2)/10=r^2 , or (n-2)/10=f^2

So, in a spherical shell made of 10,002 one-inch-diameter
glass marbles, the radius, or frequency, will be,

r^2=(10,002-2)/10

r^2=1000

r=31.6227766 inches

Seems plausible.

Dick

>
>  how did you arrive at this so-called relationship
> (formula),
>  that is supposedly shape-independent (unlike Bucky's
>  for numbers of balls) ??
>     if you try to do some dimensional analysis on it,
>  by explicitly using the parameters that are supposed
>  to be involved with each term, you'll either a)
>  dysprove it or b)
>  grok it.
>
>  thus quoth:
>   >In an aggregate of systems, or a collection of
> spheres, how
>   >ever way you want to say it, such as a big balloon
full
> of
>   >marbles, we can say the number of marbles touching the
>   >balloon is the number of balls in the shell of the
> whole
>   >collection of marbles.
>   >
>   >If there are, say 92 marbles in the shell, n=92.
>   >
>   >2/(92-2)^3=291600=v^2 , so volume is,
>   >
>   >V=sqrt291600=540
>   >
>   >That is volume in tets.
>   >
>   >Say n=100, then,
>   >
>   >2/5(100-2)^3= 400000,
>   >
>   >v=632
>   >
>   >This formula allows us to see the growth of a sphere
> of
>   >spheres, one marble at a time. It is similar to
> Bucky's
>   >20f^3=volume, but this formula accounts for
> incremental
>   >change.
>   >
>   >I have not seen this relationship yet anywhere in
> Buckyland
>   >or anywhere else for that matter. Have you?
>
>  --les ducs d'Enron!
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Subject:      Re: geodesic

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            10-APR-2002  6:40
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 waht a tyro, and it's obvious that you're just *trying*
 to manipulate some old equations, without any hypothesis.
    you're "work-throw" can't be correct, since
 volume is proportional to diameter (or radius)
 to the *third* power.

 thus quoth:
  For any collection of balls, or points, such as an asteron
  or a vertexion, the radius, or frequency, can be written in
  terms of the number of balls in the shell.

  (n-2)/10=r^2 , or (n-2)/10=f^2

  So, in a spherical shell made of 10,002 one-inch-diameter
  glass marbles, the radius, or frequency, will be,

  r^2=(10,002-2)/10

  r^2=1000

  r=31.6227766 inches

  Seems plausible.

 seems like you didn't state your premise very fairly,
 viz "any collection of balls,"
 when you're just handling a pair!
    so, no-one can refute your silly formula,
 because we know not what in Hell it means.

 --les ducs d'Enron!
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Subject:      Re: [Quaker-P] killing fish

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            10-APR-2002  6:48
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 it's also not obvious, whence these changes are occuring, or
 if they rather represent climactic shift(s).  most particularly
 with the revelations from Antarctica, and the continued floating
 of the ice chelves (albeit in smaller pieces than e'er seen,
 before, away from the shoreline).
    or look at any article, say on coastal Eskimos (or
 what ever their known as), and you'll see that
 it isn't "black & white," except for the headline.

 thus quoth:
  true.  Fish that are farmed are not overfished.  Lobsters taken
  through the lobstermen's system of "you trap here, I trap there" are
  not overfished.  If fish of a certain type in a certain area were
  owned by a fishermen's association, which had the right to control
  catches of that fish, then the fish would cease being overfished.  But
  how do you get there from here?  Not obvious.

 thus quoth:
  The Gulf of California is not dead, but it is exhausted from
  overfishing, which has caused every important species of
  fish there to decline.


 <http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/10/international/americas/10MEXI.html?ex=1
 01945
 2719&ei=1&en=72f6e033951859f2>

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            10-APR-2002  7:07
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 my Mayor, last night at Council, prevented me
 from also referring to the pincher between the 11%
 of USA oil imports from Iraq, and the (I think) larger amount
 from Venezuela, which is playing into the hands
 of the Kyoto Protocol (cartel).
    I was trying to get some sort of symbolic reference
 to the 'WAND' Corp.'s influence, since the Mayor was waiving the fee
 for the "Calif.Comm.on [some thing] and the New Economy"
 to hold a hearing in the Chambers
 --I'd suggested a Voodoo-doll of [former Chairman] O'Neill, and
 was going to pointedly annoint the doll as restricted
 to his role at the WAND, although suredly with the same costume/
 piece-of-a-business-suit-- but
 he shouted me down from the very beginning of my 3',
 actually from *before* the beginning, as well,
 as is his wont.
    he's the only mayor I've cussed at, and if
 I can refrain from doing that, I'm sure that
 he can present himself, better, as [one of?] the premiere Greenies
 to get into that office.  as it is,
 it plays as being a lackey of those folks from across the street (and
 the Triumvirate on the Cabinet !-)

 as for "American Victoriousness," that's almost as bad
 as the take on Prometheus as being forever tortured.
    if you take his statement about Zeus as an acurate forecast,
 then his liver gets a timely reprieve (or he stops drinking, so much).
 likewise, perhaps, Anglo-american imperialism can be felled, as well,
 and not just in favor os some other world-empire.

 thus quoth:
  Venezuela Woes Worsen as State Oil Company Calls Strike

  April 9, 2002

  By JUAN FORERO


  A six-week tussle over President Hugo Chavez's management of

 thus quoth:
  "America Victorious has been our country's postulate since its birth. Tom
  Engelhardt, with a burning clarity, recounts the end of this fantasy,
 from
  the split atom to Vietnam. . . . As powerful as a Joe Louis jab to the
 solar

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            11-APR-2002 12:13
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 is Hugo Chavez a Syndicalist (like, oh, President Fidel) ??

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Subject:      Help?

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            11-APR-2002 12:18
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 I'm not sure, if "PEN" is going to come tumbling-down, soon,
 because I've recieved an official notice to the effect that
 "the Pentium-2 is so old" -- it has been running
 for about five years -- and even though
 the whole thing could easily be transferred
 to one of the City's *other* Unix systems
 (PEN was put onto its own Linux server,
 apparently for no other reason than to say that we did it
 ... you might be able to configure another reason, though).

 there's a new, strange glitch that seems to go in and out,
 which is that messages dyssapear from my box,
 just from looking at them (that is,
 without deleting them).
    of course,
 as per the notice (see it on my home page),
 I am essentially the only user!

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            12-APR-2002 10:46
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 per the officially rumoured (sik) some-when impending fate
 o'PEN (the Public Electronic Network o'SM),
 here is a piece of junkmail that I've been getting,
 2 or 3 times per diem, since shortly after
 the quasi-official announcement.

 thus quoth:
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 Your message has been forwarded to the person's new e-mail
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 see the person's new e-mail address, click here: <a
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 security code when prompted:<br> bff58b3e6298a310703d474ce8b7bc76

 sorry, about the re-formatting
 (I just realized a fix that might've worked,
 some time ago, since I have two accounts !-)

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Subject:      Re: Oops?

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            13-APR-2002 10:44
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 I just found a set of articles
 that were collected on "where the Sun don't rise"
 -- for what ever reason -- on this planet,
 as well as the essence of Hamaker's conceptual model
 of climate, near the end of my temporary defualt page.

 --les ducs d'Enron!
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 there's a few simple things to add to the "model,"
 though.
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            15-APR-2002 12:02
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 I could agree about Yucca Flats being the only "one
 of two possiblities" (the other being above-ground, as currently),
 since the Administration moth-balled Hanford, and
 the breeder-reactor program.
    if you can't utilize the "DU," well,
 you can always put in golf-club heads, paperweights, and
 so on!...  as if the technology wasn't "out there," already.

 the rest of the nergy policy is a joke,
 with it seeming as if ANWR is dead on arrival, no-matter
 how much it may compare (in the short term)
 to our use from Iraq (~9%) or Venezuela (~15%).
    the one that really gets me is the new (Daschle?) add-on
 for ethanol, which'd hit the worst in California (and
 I'll bet that Guv Davis'd be happy about that, at last,
 what with the burgeoning detail re the Enroniacs .-)

 this is why I hate the NYTimes and all-other Tory papers;
 they assiduously play both sides (ot the Atlantic,
 you must realize).  at the same time,
 I spend way-yoo-much-time reading them, alas!

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            15-APR-2002 12:11
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 I no that it was covered in al-Haaretz, before, but
 I didn't recall that the IDF'd done a study
 of the Nazi attack on the Warsaw Ghetto.

 --Sharon's Final Soution?
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            16-APR-2002  7:06
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 please, don't get mad at my unFriendly reply,
 right away.
    from what I've read
 --even once in the L.A.Times (as an outside opinion, I think)--
 Arafat didn't have the option to accept Israeli control
 of all of Jerusalem (or E.Jerusalem), because
 you can imagine what might happen if the Likudnuks were in power,
 or some folks that are more ortho-wing (sik).
    yes, he had the option qua being the head of a soveriegn,
 secular state, but that has not occurred, at the moment-being.

 as for, your ambiguous statement about "decisions,"
 the only thing I care to know about it is,
 Did most of the parties survive ?!?

 thus quoth:
  essence, it's OK because we're right.) One of my earliest supporters when
 I
  began raising environmental questions with Friends had gone through 2
 years
  of decision-making on her marriage.

  The same anti-military expressions were on both lists, but I hear on
  Quaker-P that people don't know how Jewish Israelis got into this mess. I
  hear, through omission, that Friends are not aware that many such as
  Mitchell believe that the last peace treaty was a good one, but that
 Arafat
  did not prepare his people. That is a big detail to have missed in

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Subject:      Re: [Quaker-P] New French strategy for Afghanistan

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            17-APR-2002 13:10
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 woo-hoo; y'mean, like,
 Fidel Castro and Pol Pot and Franz Fanon?

 thus quoth:
  mission. Sorbonne graduate Belmondo, a very intense
  and unshaven young man in a black pullover,
  gesticulated wildly and said, "The Taliban are caught
  in a logical fallacy of the most ridiculous. There is
  no God and I can prove it. Take your tongue out of my
  ear,
  Juliet, I am talking."

 --L.A.Times Book Festival keynote author of millennial tome,
 _Burn This Book, Please_, to be read by All Good Angelenos!
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            18-APR-2002 14:15
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 the L.A.Times just did an absurd overview
 of the new, "rightwingnut a la American Spectator" New York Sun,
 with no mention that Lord Conrad is the first-ever Canadian Subject
 to be on the British Parliament.
    hit the "Oops?" button on my page,
 then the yellow button, which leads to a few words on this,
 as well as a link to the articles (which will become defunct
 in about a week or so).

 it's an interesting article, though, I must say, and
 a "special to the Times."

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            20-APR-2002  5:06
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 why must one always kow-tow to the say-so
 of the neolib/neocon press?...  I know, there're good resons!
    I'll just take exception to two of your assertions,
 that we -- meaning Clinton and Bush, respectively -- haven't signed
 either the Landmines Treaty or the Kyoto Protocol.
    technically, I suppose you're correct on both accounts, since
 it's better to state one's reservations publicly, than
 to sign it with a little notation & hope for the best --
 that's what Clinton did with respect to the Korean DMZ, but
 what'd you have done?
    as for the Protocol, don't make me laugh.  if you look
 at the current (or just-before) *Science News*,
 it has an ad for books they're hawking,
 including one on electoral stuff, a mathematical analysis, and
 guess what is featured in its little blurb -- what's the connection
 to the Protocol and the FCC auction of airwave bandwidths?

 thus quoth:
  We have refused to sign: Child soldiers, Land Mines, Biological Weapons?,
  Rights of the Child, Kyoto protocol

  1. We have signed the Vienna Convention(?) but have not followed it in
 that
  we have not permitted foreign arrestees to speak to  their consular
  representatives.  This was true under law and order Bush when he was
 Governor
  of Texas.

  2. Attack on The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons
 (OPCW)
  which  enforces the chemical weapons convention.
  http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,685123,00.html
  Chemical coup d'etat
  The US wants to depose the diplomat who could take away its pretext for
 war
  with Iraq
  George Monbiot
  Tuesday April 16, 2002
  The Guardian

  3. Financial obligations to the UN

 the latter is also largely crap.  as it was published
 in the lead article, some time ago, in *Foreign Affairs*,
 the in-kind largesse of the USA, including troop-commitments,
 dwarfs that of any other nation, and
 a proper accounting might be interesting (perhaps,
 as opposed to Jesse Helms', who wrote the article before he died !-)

 our strangest bedfolk of all,
 may well-be those of the Canadian Domionate; eh?

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Subject:      Re: [Quaker-P] US and oil lobby oust climate change scientist

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            20-APR-2002  5:09
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 another example of stupid media crappola.
    what it amounts to is the exchanbge of one World Bank official,
 for another offical of the World Bank.  apropos:

 How Oslo Was Wrecked
 The most effective means by which the Oslo Accords were sabotaged, was
 through economic policy. No sooner had the ink dried, than the World Bank
 issued a report on "development," whose parameters were simple: High
 priority would go to labor-intensive projects, and the lowest priority for
 basic infrastructure, like the canals, ports, energy, and transportation
 mentioned in the annexes. The World Bank report was an operative doctrine,
 which governed the way in which funds from donor nations were allocated.
 Thus, a gambling casino was considered a good investment, as was "repair of
 existing infrastructure" in Gazaa cruel joke, since no infrastructure
 existed. It was only through European Union efforts, that any major
 infrastructure projects were built: the Gaza airport and sea port, for
 example, as well as water treatment plants and the Palestinian radio and
 television center. All these major projects were defined as military
 targets and systematically destroyed by Sharon's rampage in 2002.

 The World Bank's ban on great projects was complemented by the closure
 policy introduced by Netanyahu, whereby, following any episodes of
 Palestinian violence, entire cities would be blockaded. Palestinians who
 travelled daily into Israel for work, were prevented from doing so, and the
 economic consequences were devastating. In 1993 and 1994, due to closures,
 unemployment went up to 10% and 15%; by the end of 1995 and early 1996, it
 reached 20%, and in March and April during closures, it hit 50%. In 1999,
 only 600 Palestinians were allowed to enter and exit the West Bank and
 Gaza, while the remaining 2 million were confined. Following Sharon's
 provocation at al-Haram al-Sharif in September 2000, violence broke out,
 and the Israeli regime responded with further closures. According to a UN
 report, in the weeks thereafter, P.A. GDP was cut in half. The number of
 Palestinian workers allowed into Israel for their jobs, was reduced by 53%.
 The effects on living standards were catastrophic, as 1998 reports on
 poverty in the P.A.the first of their kinddocumented. Palestinians were
 living in crowded quarters, school facilities were lacking water,
 electricity, and toilets, and food supplies were inadequate. In the rapidly
 growing Palestinian population2.89 million in 199747% were under the age
 of 15. In Jenin, the site of the most intransigent Palestinian resistance,
 the water shortage was rendered severe due to the Israeli siege.

 Nor was the suffering only economic in nature. Parallel to the closure
 policy, the Israelis, beginning with the Netanyahu government in 1996,
 accelerated their violations of the political clauses of the Oslo Accords.

 Most important were the Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory. It
 was explicitly stated in those accords, that they prohibit "any change in
 the status of the West Bank, etc." Instead, every Israeli government since
 Oslo has continued the policy of expanding settlements. Since Barak took
 office in July 1999, tenders for the construction of at least 3,499
 settlement housing units were issued in the occupied territories, and
 construction began on 2,270 units. Twenty-seven new settlement outposts
 (habitations not contiguous with settlements) were built since the signing
 of the Wye Plantation agreements in 199611 after March 1999. Fifteen new
 settlement outposts were approved for construction following the
 inauguration of Sharon in March 2001.

 The settlements are connected one to the other, and to Israel, by bypass
 roads, which have created a new phenomenon in transportation geography,
 whereby all Israeli settlements are linked up, but Palestinian villages and
 cities are isolated, like so many apartheid-era bantustans. The
 Palestinians are not allowed to use these roads. The road connections
 between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, promised in the Oslo Accords,
 have not been built. Crazy schemes for an elevated highway to connect the
 two, without touching "Israeli land," have been floated. All this is in
 blatant violation of the Oslo Accords, which promised links between the
 Palestinian West Bank and Gaza, considered an inseparable unit!

 The Israeli military withdrawal and redeployment (even before Sharon's
 reoccupation began), has also been a farce. Area A, where the P.A. is
 supposed to have complete control over security and civil administration,
 accounts for 18% of the total area of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
 Area B accounts for 24%, and Area C, where Israel has total control, is
 59%. Israel controls all borders to the Palestinian territories, and
 therefore the passage of persons and goods. Israel controls all roads in
 East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza, except for those in Area A. Israel
 controls 80% of the water resources, and all of Gaza's territorial waters.

 Thus, if one wants to talk about violation of the Oslo Accords, one has to
 recognize, they have been made on the Israeli side, under a succession of
 governments: economic cooperation denied, infrastructure development
 blocked, transport communications sabotaged, economic life stifled, and
 political autonomy denied.

 The Anti-Terrorism Fraud
 http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2915oslo_mrdrd.html

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Subject:      Re: [Quaker-P] Le Pen

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            22-APR-2002 14:10
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 I wonder if the UN (WB) plan is consistent
 with the educational policies of the other Wandites
 on the Cabinet (Rice and Rumsfeld; recall that
 the former was the Provost -- what ever that is --
 at Stanford, and there was an amuzing article
 in the LATimes Sports section, last week,
 in which she showed what a follower o'hte NFL she is, and
 collegiate sports was a part of her purview, thereat).

 thus quoht:
                Wolfensohn said he was "extremely heartened by the
  support" for the plan
                shown by members of a policy-setting committee that
  represented the
                bank's 183 member nations, including Treasury Secretary
  Paul H. O'Neill,
                who represented the United States.

                "What I hoped to get today on education. . . . I got,"
  Wolfensohn said. "It
                was a whole-hearted endorsement." The British aid group
  Oxfam
                International hailed the plan as "a major breakthrough in

 what was it that Osfam was just so famous for approbing of?...
 oh, yes: British Liberal "Free Trade!"

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Subject:      Re: [Quaker-P] great shows

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            22-APR-2002 14:15
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 isn't it rather unfortunate that
 this play promotes the super-mystical "Copenhagen iinterpretation"
 of quantum stuff?...  is that it's primary lesson?

 thus quoth:
  I second these recommendations!  I will add the caveat that "No Man's
  Land" can be very depressing, but it is excellent and makes one think.
  "Copenhagen" is wonderful.  I saw a bench reading of it, with a panel
  discussion afterwards that included Heisenberg's son.

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If anyone is interested.....
I have just posted a PDF file of Fuller's 1954 Building Construction patent
to my web site server.
http://cableone.net/amkalenak/fuller%20patent%201.pdf
<http://cableone.net/amkalenak/fuller%20patent%201.pdf>

It is a 2mb file, so be patient and let it fully load before you start
moving around in it.

I have several other of his patents that I am going to scan and integrate
with my site:
http://geodesemetry.net <http://geodesemetry.net>

-Tony.

Parkhill, Smith & Cooper, Inc.
5214 Thomason Dr.
Midland, Texas
79703

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Subject:      Book Review -- Johann Sebastian Bach: The Learned Musician

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            24-APR-2002  6:47
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 His opening chapter, ``Prologue: Bach and the Notion of `Musical
 Science,'|'' begins by properly defending Bach from the attacks made upon
 him in his day, that Bach had pushed music beyond entertainment, that he
 needlessly complicated matters. Rather, Bach fought for truth, and hence
 developed music. Here, Wolff cites Bach's dedication of some music (part of
 which would later be incorporated into his B Minor Mass), as an example of
 Bach's scientific view of music: ``To your Royal Highness [the Elector of
 Saxony] I submit in deepest devotion the present small work of that science
 which I have attained in `musique.'|'' Unfortunately, Wolff then
 identifies that science: ``Bach's music--his search for truth--was affected
 more, both subconsciously and consciously, than that of any other
 contemporary musician by the spreading culture of Newtonianism.'' Wolff
 develops this line with two illiterate whoppers:

 1. ``Newton by 1750 represented the undisputed paradigm of the scientist
 as genius.''

 2. Newton ``was especially revered in Leipzig, whose university had in
 Bach's time become the center of Newtonianism in Germany.''

 Even the contemporary proselytizers of Newtonianism, could not have
 managed these illiteracies. First, the ``undisputed paradigm'' of 1750 was
 much disputed. The undisputed and lazy image of our modern world, regarding
 both Newton and science, is the unfortunate product of the wrong side of
 those intense disputes in Bach's time. For the last two decades of Bach's
 life, Maupertuis and Voltaire were manufacturing those disputes against the
 actual science of Gottfried Leibniz, as a way of trying to promote Newton.
 And Bach was more than aware of this. In 1747, with his Musical Offering
 to Frederick the Great, he personally intervened in defense of Leibniz's
 method, against the Newtonian.

 Second, Wolff's proof that Leipzig University was the German center of
 Newtonianism is, according to his footnote, as follows:

 http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/bach.htm

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            24-APR-2002 12:39
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 so, did anyone visit the Bucky exhibit at Milton Academy,
 that I'd linked-to on my site, or
 was it already over when I did that?

 has anyone been reviewing the recent re-issue
 of _Modern Pure Solid Geometry_ from Chelsea Publ.,
 that appeared after I made several mentions of it
 on synergetics-l?...  I mean, if you think that
 Coxeter is hot ****, then this is ... nevermind!
 (of course, no-one notified the list of the re-issue,
 alas .-)

 did anyone see the recent issue of *Nature*,
 with the water-molecule network-graph thingy
 on the cover.  it sort-of reminded me of Brawley's icosanots
 -- not, that that'd really help, but it could, some how!

 see for the notice of "Showman Bucky's" show:
 http://quincy4board.homestead.com/Funny.html -- and push the button.

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Subject:      Re: [Quaker-P] Another attack: they have shot the messenger

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            24-APR-2002 13:06
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 reading into page 4 of the "memo" is quite interesting, although
 I haven't gotten to the supposedly awful part
 about changing-out the World Bank officials,
 Watson for the Indian guy.  the interesting thing, to me,
 thus far, is the plenary session that to meet in London
 for the "concesual Synthesis Report" -- oy heil!

 also, let me agree to dysagree on some of these takes
 on the Administration's dyssing of some treaties (clearly,
 I don't know much about most of them):

  21. UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of
 Genocide,
  1948. The US finally ratified in 1988, adding several "reservations" to
 the
  effect that the US Constitution and the "advice and consent" of the
 Senate
  are required to judge whether any "acts in the course of armed conflict"
  constitute genocide. The reservations are rejected by Britain, Italy,
  Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain, Greece, Mexico, Estonia, and others.
  17. Optional Protocol, 1989, to the UN's International Covenant on Civil
 and
  Political Rights, aimed at abolition of the death penalty and containing
 a
  provision banning the execution of those under 18. The US has neither
 signed
  nor ratified and specifically exempts itself from the latter provision,
  making it one of five countries that still execute juveniles (with Saudi
  Arabia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria). China abolished the
  practice in 1997, Pakistan in 2000.
  16. In 1984 the US quit UNESCO (UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural
  Organization) and ceased its payments for UNESCO's budget, over the New
 World
  Information and Communication Order (NWICO) project designed to lessen
 world
  media dependence on the "big four" wire agencies (AP, UPI, Agence
  France-Presse, Reuters). The US charged UNESCO with "curtailment of press
  freedom," as well as mismanagement and other faults, despite a 148-1 in
 vote
  in favor of NWICO in the UN. UNESCO terminated NWICO in 1989; the US
  nonetheless refused to rejoin. In 1995 the Clinton administration
 proposed
  rejoining; the move was blocked in Congress and Clinton did not press the
  issue. In February 2000 the US finally paid some of its arrears to the UN
 but
  excluded UNESCO, which the US has not rejoined.
  15. In 1986 the International Court of Justice (The Hague) ruled that the
 US
  was in violation of international law for "unlawful use of force" in
  Nicaragua, through its actions and those of its Contra proxy army. The US
  refused to recognize the Court's jurisdiction. A UN resolution calling
 for
  compliance with the Court's decision was approved 94-2 (US and Israel
 voting
  no).
  12. International Plan for Cleaner Energy: G-8 group of industrial
 nations
  (US, Canada, Japan, Russia, Germany, France, Italy, UK), July 2001: the
 US
  was the only one to oppose it.
  11. September 2001: withdrew from International Conference on Racism,
  bringing together 163 countries in Durban, South Africa
  7. Kyoto Protocol of 1997, for controlling global warming: declared
 "dead" by
  President Bush in March 2001. In November 2001, the Bush administration
  shunned negotiations in Marrakech (Morocco) to revise the accord, mainly
 by
  watering it down in a vain attempt to gain US approval. *
  6. Land Mine Treaty, banning land mines; signed in Ottawa in December
 1997 by
  122 nations. The United States refused to sign, along with Russia, China,
  India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Egypt, and Turkey. President
 Clinton
  rejected the Treaty, claiming that mines were needed to protect South
 Korea
  against North Korea's "overwhelming military advantage." He stated that
 the
  US would "eventually" comply, in 2006; this was disavowed by President
 Bush
  in August 2001.
  4. April 2001, the US was not re-elected to the UN Human Rights
 Commission,
  after years of withholding dues to the UN (including current dues of $244
  million)-and after having forced the UN to lower its share of the UN
 budget
  from 25 to 22 percent. (In the Human Rights Commission, the US stood
  virtually alone in opposing resolutions supporting lower-cost access to
  HIV/AIDS drugs, acknowledging a basic human right to adequate food, and
  calling for a moratorium on the death penalty.)
  3. UN Agreement to Curb the International Flow of Illicit Small Arms,
 July
  2001: the US was the only nation to oppose it.
  1. In December 2001, the United States officially withdrew from the 1972
  Antiballistic Missile Treaty, gutting the landmark agreement-the first
 time
  in the nuclear era that the US renounced a major arms control accord.

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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            24-APR-2002 13:09
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 oops; here's the URL for the horrible oil co. "memo:"

  -- For information on the ExxonMobil memo urging the
  Bush Administration to remove Dr. Watson from his position
  as IPCC Chair,
  < http://www.nrdc.org/media/docs/020403.pdf >.

  -- For information on the Saudi connection, see the
  summary by Jeremy Leggett, author of "The Carbon War", at
  < http://www.carbonwar.com/ccchrono.html  >.

  -- IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change: The
  Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was
  established in 1988 under the auspices of the United Nations
  Environment Programme and the World Meteorological
  Organization for the purpose of assessing "the scientific,
  technical and socioeconomic information relevant for the
  understanding of the risk of human-induced climate change."
  To date, the IPCC has issued three comprehensive
  assessments. The first assessment report (FAR) was released
  in 1990, the second assessment report (SAR) was released in
  1996, and the third assessment report (TAR) was released in
  2001. These assessments are based on "published and peer
  reviewed scientific technical literature"

  For more information see < http://www.ipcc.ch >
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I visited the RBF exhibit at Milton. It was excellent.

Foerd
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            25-APR-2002 11:57
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 well, I did get to look at page 5 of the memo, the last one,
 as it turns-out.  talk about a tempest
 in a computerized simulacrum, although I can grok the concerns
 of most Greenies re that other "corporate" Watson (as if
 the original from the WB was somehow an icon of purity
 of intention, Sherlock .-)
    the worst thing about the old Mr.W. is that
 he is in an excrucitaingly specilized field
 that relies to such a huge extent on these simulacra,
 which are impossible to connect with those
 that manage to forecast the weather to a year-out,
 more or less.  so,
 in excchanging WB personnel at the head of the UNIPCC,
 it certainly behooves them to get someone who is a little more
 of a generalist, if also from the (FKA) HBE.  of course,
 knowing the epitome of the genesis of the IPCC,
 from the Montreal Protocol days that wre forced
 by the DuPont Co. "under new/weird management,"
 one can say that virtually any other Mr. Watson would
 be an improvement ... excusez-moi, Herr *Doktor* W.

 thus saith:
   reading into page 4 of the "memo" is quite interesting, although
   I haven't gotten to the supposedly awful part
   about changing-out the World Bank officials,
   Watson for the Indian guy.  the interesting thing, to me,
   thus far, is the plenary session that to meet in London
   for the "concesual Synthesis Report" -- oy heil!

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What is the URL ?

-Tony.




http://geodesemetry.net

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I visited the RBF exhibit at Milton. It was excellent.

Foerd
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Here's one.

http://www-sul.stanford.edu/geninfo/fullersadao.htm


Fuller/Sadao: Partners in Design highlights the nature of
the creative collaborations between two visionaries.
Curated by Russell Flinchum at the Century Association in
New York, the exhibition traveled to Milton Academy in
Milton, Massachusetts, before arriving at Stanford.  The
exhibition at Stanford will feature objects on loan from
private collections and galleries and from the R.
Buckminster Fuller archive, acquired by the Department of
Special Collections at the Stanford University Libraries in
2000.

LOCATION:
Peterson Gallery, Green Library
Bing Wing, Second Floor
Stanford University, Stanford, CA

HOURS:
Gallery hours through December 14, 2001 are:
Mon. - Sat. 10 am – 6 p.m. ; Sun. 1 - 6 p.m.
Gallery hours from December 15 through January 7 are:
Mon. - Fri. 10 a.m.– 6 p.m.; Saturday 10 am to 5 p.m.;
closed on Sundays.

For gallery hours after January 7, or for more information
about the exhibition, please call Elizabeth Fischbach at
650-725-1020.

In conjunction


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> What is the URL ?
>
> -Tony.
>
>
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> http://geodesemetry.net
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            26-APR-2002  9:14
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 wow; I didn't know that MtBE is only detectable by a twentieth
 of us, although I'd heard that it was "turpentine-like"
 in "very small" amounts.  it's made from natural gas,
 11% by volume in gasoline (like about 10% ethanol in gasohol).
  this is particularly offensive, becuase in California,
 the new power-plants being built are "environmentally fiendly,"
 which is code (I guess) for natural gas-powered,
 as have been all of the plants built for 15 years or so.  of course,
 it apparently also happens to come from Canadian Methanex Corp.,
 thanks to CAFTA/NAFTA and beyond the horizon
 (the American FTA, the North Atlantic FTA etc.)
    please, don't just "up" the price at the behest
 of "either" the oil co.s or the Kyoto Cartel, but
 impose a simple tariff on oil -- if
 that hasn't been skotched by the Administrations waffling
 on steel.

 so, Karen,
 are you going to take a stab at, once and for all,
 defining the terminolgy of "fossilized fuels"
 for an entire industry, which has never bothered to do so?
    perhaps mister Hubble had a definition,
 since I didn't read much of the Scientific American issue
 devoted to taht mainstream theory of that industry (anyway,
 it says that D-day is in 2004, some week on the market;
 so much for the statistics of the truTh !-)

 thus quoth:
   in lieu of an agricultural policy, several Midwestern states have an
  ethanol policy. For people who haven't been following this issue
 (everyone
  outside California), ethanol is one of two oxygenates that reduce carbon
  monoxide produced by internal combustion engines. Well, they did, but in
  some 90 - 95% of either automobiles, or California and New York approved
  automobiles (the lecture I heard was about California), improvements in
 new
  cars make oxygenates worthless.

 I agree about ANWR "not really being wanted" by that industry
 --other than by BP, the biggest concern going, there, perhaps--
 although it certainly might provide enough
 to offset hijinx in Iraq or Venezuela, if not both.

 --les ducs d'Enron!
 >  http://quincy4board.homestead.com/Funny.html (still no fix)
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Subject:      Re: geodesic

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            27-APR-2002  7:43
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

  SUBJECT: domes
  MESSAGE   from =schatze@io.com                    27-APR-20  7:39
  I noted some of your messages;  I am not pleased with politics as
  apparantly you are not either.  I do not think that rational argument in
  a society that stresses conformity over education has a chance.  I
  recall a comment once:  "when you have them by the balls, their minds
  and hearts will follow."  I am like a bearer, not a creator, of the
  olympic torch.  I have knowledge of an aircraft that makes helicoptors
  obsolete and can be built using modern materials.  My interest now,
  however is shelter and I need hole patterns for plydomes of 4v and 6v.
  The 2v case is trivial.  If you or anyone you know can supply me with
  the patterns, do not hesitate;  send them now to my e-mail address:
  schatze@io.com.  If we need to work out a way to send such information,
  contact me.  If I must, I will solve this myself although this may be a
  considerable project.  Please remember the story about the little red
  hen.  Look it  up if you do not know of it.  The time is now right to
  attack this task. This is not a  small matter.  Please try to become
  part of the solution as I am trying, soon. Thanks.

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 >don't accept "hole patterns"
 >-- what ever those are --
 >from anyone.
 >        you can do that geometry!
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 >--les ducs d'Enron!
 >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/Funny.html
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Date:         Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:57:37 -0700
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From:         Joe S Moore <joe_s_moore@HOTMAIL.COM>
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Subject:      eBay item 1533808633-GEODESIC MATH AND HOW TO USE IT
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_Geodesic Math & How to Use It_ up for auction on Ebay:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1533808633

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Joe S Moore
joe_s_moore@hotmail.com
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
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Wil,

Thanks for your info update;  I will make the changes to my website.

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Joe S Moore
joe_s_moore@hotmail.com
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Faze Change Produx---Creators of Econ-O-Dome Kits=20
  To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 2:40 AM
  Subject: update to list of manufacturers


  Dear Joe,  My name is Wil Fidroeff.  In the eighties after Bucky =
passed on I took care of the Fly's Eye Dome & molds.  You can verify =
this with John Ferry.  Anyway, I really need some help now.  Since the =
80's I've been developing the Econ-O-Dome.  My company name is Faze =
Change Produx.  The server I was using no longer carries my website. So, =
I made a new website. =20
  Could you please (in the list of manufacturers) change the info after=20
  Econ-O-Dome
  to read:
  See www.one-eleven.net/econodome
  located in Sullivan, IL
  & info after
  Faze Change Produx
  to read:
  See www.one-eleven.net/econodome=20
  located in Sullivan, Illinois
  Thanks Joe,  this way perhaps some people can find my website.  And, =
if you do not wish to enter websites, could you enter my phone number =
1-888-DOME-LUV
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Subject:      Re: geodesic

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            29-APR-2002  9:41
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 oops.

  <<MESSAGE from>> Brian ?Quincy! Hutchings            27-APR-2002  8:07
                   r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

   well, it happens that the Fuller/Sadao exhibit *was* at Stanford;
   is it now back in Gotham?

   --les ducs d'Enron!
   >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/Funny.html
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Subject:      Re: [Quaker-P] Federalist Papers

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings            29-APR-2002  9:52
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 here's the first page of results on a search,
 minus the first too-provocative cite, on "Federalist Papers:"
 2. How The Dead Souls of Venice Destroyed Science
 HOW THE DEAD SOULS OF VENICE DESTROYED SCIENCE By Webster Tarpley Speech
 to Schiller Institute Conference, September 4, 1995. Printed in The
 American Almanac , January, 199
 http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/venscien.htm

 3. British Fellow Travellers, and British Direct Control Major U.S. Media
 British "Fellow Travellers", and British Direct Control Major U.S. Media
 Printed in The American Almanac , May 5, 1997. Radio and television Direct
 British control of
 http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/travel.htm

 4. The Other War: FDR's Battle Against Churchill and the British Empire
 The Other War: FDR's Battle Against Churchill and the British Empire by L.
 Wolfe Printed in The American Almanac , August 28, 1995. Introduction The
 Protagonists A
 http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/FDRlw95.htm

 5. John Quincy Adams, the Amistad, and the Ideal of the Inalienable Rights
 of Man
 John Quincy Adams, the Amistad Case, and the Idea of the Inalienable
 Rights of Man by Denise M. Henderson Printed in the American Almanac ,
 August, 199
 http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/amistad.htm

 6. Has The New Ice Age Already Begun?
 HAS THE NEW ICE AGE ALREADY BEGUN? Why "Global Warming" Is A Scientific
 Hoax by Laurence Hecht Printed in The American Almanac , October 13, 1997
 Figures and
 http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/hecht1.htm

 7. American Prometheus -- The American System
 The American Promethus, Part II: Philadelphia and Germany by Anton
 Chaitkin Printed in The American Almanac , 1989. First printed in New
 Solidarity Newspaper, August 22,
 http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/prometh2.htm

 8. John Quincy Adams and Universal America
 John Quincy Adams and Universal America by Anton Chaitkin Printed in the
 Executive Intelligence Review , October, 1998. Washington's policy of
 neutrality A Turning
 http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/quincy98.htm

 9. Brainwashing: How The British Use the Media For Mass Psychological
 Warfare
 BRAINWASHING: How The British Use The Media for Mass Psychological Warfare
 by L. Wolfe Printed in The American Almanac , May 5, 1997. The Tavistock
 "Mother" The
 http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/warfare.htm

 10. American Prometheus -- The American System
 The American Promethus, Part III: The USA and Peru's War of the Pacific --
 America vs. Imperialists by Anton Chaitkin Printed in The American Almanac
 , 1989. First printed
 http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/prometh3.htm

 --les ducs d'Enron!
 http://quincy4board.homestead.com/Funny.html