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Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:51:27 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?eBay_item_1745911873_=28Ends_Jul-07-02=A0192149_PDT_=29_-_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?30'_Geodesic_Dome_Kit?= Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 30' diam dome kit up for bid on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1745911873 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:54:58 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: save the dome Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ernie, Yes. See http://www.karlhartig.com/dome/dome.html ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 7:43 AM Subject: save the dome > From: "Ernie" > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:09:42 -0700 > > "One architect calls the dome the only important building > in Louisiana. " Wonder if it is still there? > http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2001-03-06/cover_story.html > photo - http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-U.htm > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:24:23 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Round Subject: Interesting Geodesic Article MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit July, 2002 Inc. Magazine has a feature article on a Geodesic Patent by a guy named Arthur Battaglia. He is seeking to develop and market head and knee gear in the athletic-equipment environment. Mike Round ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:13:46 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Pledge of allegiance <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 02-JUL-2002 9:13 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us oops. I just saw the whole text in a storefront, and I now realize that "under God, indivisible" is a combined form, that I've been using since my grade-school days in the late '60s. thus saith: aren't you referring, Bob Jiggins, to Ramsey's "fascism with a friendly face?" as for the pledge of alliegance, today's LATimes has a letter to the editor, noting that it used to be, "one nation, indivisible," not "under God" -- and I distinctly recall my entire classes reciting this, --Strep Throat @30; boycott Post et al (ad vom.) http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION (tm/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/29crash.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT OF MARCH 30, 1981 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:33:13 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Pledge of allegiance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It goes, "one nation, under guard, indivisible, with liberty and justice on hold." Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 02-JUL-2002 9:13 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > oops. I just saw the whole text in a storefront, and > I now realize that "under God, indivisible" is a combined form, > that I've been using since my grade-school days > in the late '60s. > > thus saith: > aren't you referring, Bob Jiggins, > to Ramsey's "fascism with a friendly face?" > as for the pledge of alliegance, > today's LATimes has a letter to the editor, > noting that it used to be, "one nation, > indivisible," not "under God" -- and > I distinctly recall my entire classes reciting this, > > --Strep Throat @30; boycott Post et al (ad vom.) > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html > > --Oil Platform 2000!... > The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols > of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION (tm/sic))/ > BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/29crash.htm. > Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): > 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT OF MARCH 30, 1981 (87K) > 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) > 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) > 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) > 21 -- OMAHA (25K) > 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) > 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) > 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) > 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) > > -- Formactive: http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:18:30 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Environmental resoures and environmental disaster <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 02-JUL-2002 14:18 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, you have completely missed the point. however, I defy you to find a chemistry-textbook definition of the term, "fossil fuels," which I aver is just a commonplace useage of The Industry, not a scientific term -- which it cannot be, by the proper uses of those two component words! yes; you may find such a definition, but is it really not just a sales-tool? thus quoth: WHy do you think the term fossil fuels is meaningless? It has an EXACT meaning: they are fuels that some from dead plants or animals, whose large biological molecules have broken down into small mostly-carbon molecules that still have some of the energy that was required to FORM the living being years ago. How many years could be discussed: I as a chemist myself do NOT believe in the exactness of the carbon-14 dating method, since it is quite possible that carbon-14 had a shorter half-life in the past than now. --Strep Throat @30; boycott Post et al (ad vom.) > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html > > --Oil Platform 2000!... > The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols > of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION (tm/sic))/ > BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/29crash.htm. > Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): > 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT OF MARCH 30, 1981 (87K) > 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) > 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) > 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) > 21 -- OMAHA (25K) > 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) > 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) > 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) > 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 07:58:03 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Geometry Models Comments: To: Jeff Tupper / Pedagoguery Software Inc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, Thanks for the info. I'll add your products to my Geom/Models list. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Tupper / Pedagoguery Software Inc" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Geometry Models > Joe, > > I came across your page at http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/GeomModels.htm > and thought that I'd let you know that our Poly program > (http://www.peda.com/poly) and Poly Pro program > (http://www.peda.com/polypro) both offer some geodesic spheres and > domes for users to look at and make. We also offer some geometric > models (http://www.peda.com/models) including shapes that Fuller was > interested in, but no "proper" geodesic spheres or domes yet (just > the 1-frequency tetrahedral, octahedral, and icosahedral spheres, > which are just tetrahedra, octahedra, and icosahedra). > > Best wishes, > Jeff > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:20:43 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Geometry Models Comments: To: Round12345@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, Thanks for the review of Jeff Tupper's POLY modeling software. Ref: http://www.peda.com/poly ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Geometry Models > Joe: > > This is an outstanding program ... my daughter (now 5) loves to rotate, > change colors, etc., with the basic Poly program. > > Mike Round > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 09:45:55 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: shelter Comments: To: cheap shelter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Long address. Big topic. Emergency shelter. Other people are working on the problem. http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:uhNIdGnt7k4C:ackbar.mindtel.com/users/rasmussene/public/Afghan%2520stuff/Dymax%2520Shelter%2520Project%2520Overview.doc+Steven+Elias+fuller&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:38:54 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Dymax Shelter Project Overview Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A Proposed Not-for-Profit Shelter Initiative Between the Buckminster = Fuller Institute and Dymax Designs = http://ackbar.mindtel.com/users/rasmussene/public/Afghan%20stuff/Dymax%20= Shelter%20Project%20Overview.doc =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:09:59 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] ADMIN:: Topics option <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 06-JUL-2002 10:09 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us not only was I thrown-off of my other list, quaker-p@earlha.edu, but my provider, Homestead.com, has a new "upgrade" that's prevented me from editing my pages for about 2 weeks. it's very suspicuous, or perhaps they're being attacked by England's new religious, the Kn'OBE wans (and the Royal Order of Druids, Bards and Ovates: "We do cropcircles, properly: en masse" !-) is this what can happen, using zero security? anyway, if anyone's got a guess on ol'Bob Woodward's "secret honor," after 30 years of sitting on the pot & stewing it -- the ******* a-hole, along with the Post and its current editors -- please, save it til I can get a guestbook on my /DeepPool.html page, or post it to the list. --Strep Throat @30; boycott Post et al (ad vom.) http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION (tm/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/29crash.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:22:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Things that really love a hard vacuum? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 06-JUL-2002 10:22 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us sorry, for not pointing this out last week, but I'll post the included URLs, when Homestead.com enables it. the prior New Scientist has a turgid article, promoting an abstruse hypothesis on queer (?) matter, that could only have (supposedly) formed within the first 10e-43 seconds after The Big Bang; that's a 43 leading zeroes before the first significant figure. I'd also take this moment to note that, for a series of their issues, recently, they had an ongoing "dialog" with Greenpeace about technology (Should we, or not?) -- which was notably conflated with a series of their most goofy QM cover-features. you're supposed to believe it, because it's from the Holy British Empire (f.k.a) ?? --Strep Throat @30; boycott Post et al (ad vom.) http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (tm/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/29crash.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Things that pull the hardest vacuum! <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 06-JUL-2002 10:40 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us in line with my two last posts, let me call for a rechristening (as they see it) of the Holy Order ... Knights of the Holy Order of DRUIDS, Celts, Saxons, no Normans, BARDS-but-not-Shakespeare-but-including-Tolkien-and-Rowling, OVATES (what ever they be) and, especially, Solopsists, because "It's all in Our Head, good Subjects!" --Strep Throat @30; boycott Post et al (ad vom.) http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (tm/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/29crash.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:03:59 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Things that really love a hard vacuum? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the interesting, small thing in one of those issues, was a litte, obfuscatory diagram of the fullerenes, *up to* C-60. this was exactly what Sir Michael was getting at, in a clumsy way, when he appeared at a UCLA math colloquium. I explained it to him, but he wouldn't even give me a copy of his paper (that's called, snobbery, if you've never experienced in this lifetime .-) the current *Science* has an article that I'm about to look at, on capturing atoms in a geodesic-like crytal, using "nothing but van der Waals forces" -- as well as a few other things of interest. thus saith: I'd also take this moment to note that, for a series of their issues, recently, they had an ongoing "dialog" with Greenpeace about technology (Should we, or not?) -- which was notably conflated with a series of their most goofy QM cover-features. --Strep Throat @30; boycott Post et al (ad vom.) http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:42:23 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: geodesic kneepads Comments: To: gsroka@mmsa.com Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gabriel, Thanks for the reference. Wish I had a copy of the actual article. Mr = Battaglia posted a comment on BFI's web site about his patent. See = http://www.bfi.org/guest_comments.htm (scroll down to June 25, 2001). =20 Also, see US Patent #6,260,212 B1 "Head-Protective Helmet with Geodesic = Dome", July 17, 2001. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: gsroka@mmsa.com=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: geodesic kneepads article in Inc magazine July 2002 (not on their web site inc.com, yet) = about Art Battaglia's patent 5,524,641 for geodesic kneepads and helmets = (including [not necessarily very nice] sidebar about Fuller) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:36:58 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Bucky speaking engagement mystery Comments: To: Michael Stutz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Michel, Nope, I have no record of Bucky being in Asheville in 1975 & no record of a Thomas Wolfe in my files. Of course, the only way to know for sure is to go through his archives at Stanford. One thought comes to mind: Maybe the Asheville town library or newspaper might have a clue. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Stutz" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: Bucky speaking engagement mystery > Hi Joe, > > I'm investigating a mythical Bucky speaking engagement and was > wondering if you'd have any clues that might help. > > A friend of mine is one of the founders of the Thomas Wolfe Society, > which had begun in the late 1970s. Before TWS was founded, there was a > festival every year in Wolfe's hometown of Asheville, NC. It was > called the "Wolfe Fest." The first one my friend believes happened in > 1975 and this went on for maybe three years until TWS took over the > job. > > My friend says that at the first festival, in summer 1975 or sometime > close to that, Bucky was the guest speaker! He said that Bucky was in > town at the time and so they asked him to speak -- presumably about > Wolfe and his writing. > > Now, I had never heard of this, never heard of Bucky even mention > Wolfe or any of that period's writers (save e.e. cummings). Thought > that if anyone would know about this, it'd be you. Have you ever heard > of Bucky ever making such a speaking engagement? > > Regards... > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:56:04 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: RBF archives Comments: To: Julie Martineau MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Julie, Here is the official Buckminster Fuller Archives website at Stanford: http://www.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead/stanford/mss/m1090/@Generic__BookVie= w;cs=3Ddefault;ts=3Ddefault =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Julie Martineau=20 To: Joe S Moore=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: RBF archives Hi Mr. Moore, Where can I know more about Buckminster Fuller's archives at Standord? = Can we have access to them? Thank you! Julie M. Montreal ***************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:15:10 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Domes and such Comments: To: Ron Swenson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron, I used to live in the Capitola area but when I retired I bought a house in Tucson, AZ, for 1/3 what it would have cost along the coast of California. I kept my web site at Cruzio & just update it by phone in the middle of the night from time to time. I'm aware of the domes at UC Davis & I think there's an entry about them in my web site somewhere. I would like to hear more about your experiences with Bucky. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Swenson" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: Domes and such Joe, I noticed your website at Cruzio. I too am in Santa Cruz. FWIW, I had some interesting experiences with Bucky Fuller along the way, and built a bunch of domes at UC Davis. (We just had our 30th reunion, which prompted me to update my website.) http://www.ecotopia.com/baggins.end/. Cheers! Ron Swenson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:56:34 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Domes and such Comments: To: Ron Swenson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron, Go to the following page and type in Buckminster Fuller in quotes: http://130.65.100.1/search/w (San Jose State Univ library) All the Fuller tapes should show up plus more. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Swenson" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: RE: Domes and such Joe, Well, I probably heard those lectures first-hand. I've wondered about those tapes; I remember we recorded most of his talks, and recall there were some on video, but perhaps I'm confusing that with later times. Video recording was pretty hard to come by in those days. Oh, wait a minute... There were quite a few videos. My memory is still working. I found something of yours... My god, you're serious. Looking up dates when I saw Bucky, I found this: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/By-Itinerary-1976.htm And then this, http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/By-Itinerary-1966.htm On March 1st, you list: Lecture: Structures for Tomorrow; audio/videotape. I believe that was the "Swenson Lecture" -- for which my father put up an honorarium. He wen through the motions but was pretty puzzled by the whole thing! As for the web, I'm off to a good start... Http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/bucky/. Thanks for the suggestion. I once heard that those SJS videotapes were tossed out, but I found it hard to believe. Perhaps you know something about that? If those particular ones still exist, I'd like to track them down and see them with some of my friends. Cheers, Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe S Moore [mailto:joe_s_moore@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:33 PM > To: Ron Swenson > Cc: Moore, Joe S. > Subject: Re: Domes and such > > > Ron, > > Thanks for responding. I've listened to all the Bucky audio > tapes in San > Jose State's library. Took me several days as I remember. I > got so tired I > thought my ears would fall off! > > I noted your article in my Table of Contents for Domebook One; see > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/About-BkTOC-DomebookOne.htm > (scroll down to "U. Plastic Foam" > > Maybe you could start building a section on your website about your > encounters with Bucky? I always find it interesting to hear > peoples stories > about him. > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Swenson" > To: "Joe S Moore" > Cc: "List, The Geodesic" > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:29 PM > Subject: RE: Domes and such > > > Joe, > > After a miserable year at UCLA (grad school 1964-1965), I was > set to go to > Australia to get an advanced degree, but the draft board > wouldn't let me out > of the country. So I found a job teaching (making possible a > deferment), > working under Norm Gunderson, the Dean of Engineering at San > Jose State. He > offered me a chance to co-teach "Cybernation and Man," a course in > Engineering that dealt with the impact of technology on > society (and vise > versa, I suppose). In the spring of my first year of teaching > that course, > Bucky came for two months as our visiting professor, and I > wound up spending > many hours like so many others, listening to Bucky weave a > story which has > influenced my own mission ever since: > http://www.ecotopia.com/ecosystems/. > > Around 1970 I wrote an article for DomeBook One which opened > the door to > designing and managing the dome project at UC Davis. Over the > years I bumped > into Bucky many times; I just seemed to find myself in the > same place he > was -- Vancouver, Yale University, Athens, San Francisco, and > even here in > Santa Cruz. So the design principles for spaceship earth sank > in pretty > deep. > > Well, that's some kinda short version. Thanks for asking. > > Regards, > > Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe S Moore [mailto:joe_s_moore@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:15 PM > > To: Ron Swenson > > Cc: List, The Geodesic > > Subject: Re: Domes and such > > > > > > Ron, > > > > I used to live in the Capitola area but when I retired I > > bought a house in > > Tucson, AZ, for 1/3 what it would have cost along the coast > > of California. > > I kept my web site at Cruzio & just update it by phone in the > > middle of the > > night from time to time. > > > > I'm aware of the domes at UC Davis & I think there's an entry > > about them in > > my web site somewhere. > > > > I would like to hear more about your experiences with Bucky. > > > > ============================== > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > > ============================= > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron Swenson" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:54 PM > > Subject: Domes and such > > > > > > Joe, > > > > I noticed your website at Cruzio. I too am in Santa Cruz. > > FWIW, I had some > > interesting experiences with Bucky Fuller along the way, and > > built a bunch > > of domes at UC Davis. (We just had our 30th reunion, which > > prompted me to > > update my website.) > > > > http://www.ecotopia.com/baggins.end/. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Ron Swenson > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:18:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: oops -- back online? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 11-JUL-2002 14:18 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I'm happy to report that Homestead's online screenpainter now works; actually, it seems as if it always did, but the "upgrade" left the only workable button in an obscure place, apparently associated with some "new management" of some odd sort. it also requires hitting a "no" button, many more times than was required, before. please, put in your 2 cents worth on Strep Throat -- or admit to the crime, yourself, if plausibly! --'Strep Throat' @ 30: boycott the Post, Bob, John et al (ad vom.) http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:28:33 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: New Book re Domes Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New book about domes: _House as Teacher: Building the Future, Now_ by Twintreess & Ursela Gurau City?, Treehouse Press, 2002 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:17:08 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: RBF archives <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 15-JUL-2002 9:17 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us hey, see the button on http://quincy4board.homestead.com/Funny.html that is just under the counter, "Bucky, a WW2 Spook?" --Strep Throat @30; boycott Post et al (ad vom.) http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:03:02 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: oops? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-JUL-2002 10:03 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I thought that I'd sent a notice of my new stuff re' Harry's Birthday! quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:51:15 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: strongest fiber Comments: cc: synergeo@groups.yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It Slices! It Dices! Nanotube Struts Its Stuff July 16, 2002 By KENNETH CHANG In the last decade, the cylindrical molecule of carbon known as a nanotube has become a do-all, wonder substance. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/16/science/physical/16NANO.html?ex=1027875894&ei=1&en=ed4f2d3ef0132b38 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Hutchings 17-JUL-2002 14:06 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I'm about to post the URL's for the papers by the weirdmatterguy that was the subject of an article in the recent New Scientist; please, forgive me! if I don't get it done, today, probably will by tomorrow, on http://quincy4board.homestead.com/Funny.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:50:57 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: valentini theory (oy heil; it's British) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ah, so; I forgot that *NS* posts its stuff on line, but I also didn't know that it was only the current issue ... or that's the way it is, now, so you can't read the silly article online -- unless you subscribe, which I guess is "free." so, now, if you look at the PDF of the one paper that I linked, you'll see that there's no inkling in the abstract of Valentini's weirdmattertheory of a hypothesis -- other than to fulfill certain supposed conditions in the "post 10e-43 second era," and to account for the supposed prevalence of darkmatter (which is a working hypothesis to explain the way that galaxies spin, so strangely -- when only considering that gravity works "long-range" .-) thus saith: > I'm about to post the URL's for the papers > by the weirdmatterguy that was the subject of an article > in the recent New Scientist; please, forgive me! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/Funny.html --Strep Throat @30; boycott Post et al (ad vom.) http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:54:52 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Homestead censorifique? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm getting pissed. it seems that HS is not allowing my changes to my page to be seen, til they look at it, or do something. a friend also reported that my index page had changed, a lot, when all of my changes are quite incremental. so, either he's BSing me (which seems likely enough) or at least one entity is spoofing my site (possibly him !-) --Strep Throat @30; boycott Post et al (ad vom.) http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 04:20:23 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: BioInformatics Institute Of India Subject: For BioInformatics Aspirants!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Friends, If you are interested in one of the most Happening fields of today... 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Health - Feel better, live better ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:53:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Dome for Sale Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott Greiff's dome home for sale in San Jose, CA, USA: http://www.greiff.org/seftrust/buyers.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:21:33 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Dymaxion Car -> Merlin Roadster MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here is a link to a three wheeled vehicle with the same footprint as the Dymaxion car. However, it has front wheel steering. http://www.corbinmotors.com/products_merlinroadster.html -Tony. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:22:05 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: help? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 26-JUL-2002 10:22 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us be sure to get anyhting that 's not priomary sopurces in mgeometry! --Dump the Washington POST; protect Woodstein's sorry butt from retribution by his source; 30 years is too-long for a journalist-spook to live in fear! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:15:05 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Polyhedrons Comments: To: Nick MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nick, Thanks for the complement! For some reason the graphics on your Polyhedra pages are not visible to = me. For instance, all I see on the Platonic/Tetrahedron page is a grey = square (http://www.geowood.com/001S.html). I'm using Microsoft's IE = browser version 6.0.26. The graphics on your Products pages are OK. = The graphics that I can see look good. I sent a Cc to the Geodesics List where there are people with similar = interests to yours. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nick=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:48 AM Subject: Polyhedrons You have a very cool and comprehensive site. I am very interested in = polyhedrons, tessellation and the combination of different shapes. I do = my constructions in 3D and also carve from solid wood. Please feel free = to visit my web site. I would like to make an acquaintance with some = people who have a similar interest. Also, I would appreciate your = comments on my interactive polyhedron content. (java required). later--- nick http://www.geowood.com (I put a colon and www in order to make your = link hot) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:42:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: sources in the schoolroom etc. <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 27-JUL-2002 10:42 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us oops. let me rephraze that, in slightly less of a hurry. sources, as with the Post's rotten caricature-in-hiding (whether in-drag or post-mortem go-between), have always been the bane of research. however, in using the usual textbook, one has to be doubly on guard for the reader's digest gloss -- even if you can find the political aspirations behind it. I use the great example in the study of the so-called Civil War of Shelby Foote (on PBS et al ad vom.) and Allan Salisbury (subtitle, America's Battle with Britain (dates added)). in mathematics, Bucky left-out just about every thing, although there are some great pointers-to, as with Napier's (pentagonal) rule o'spherical trig. (but you'll never get any where with that, in the navigational sense, without grokking "polar trigona" .-) you can see the vested interests that have settled around the prosaical and metaphorical "schoolbook depository." or is it, suppository? --Dump the Washington POST; protect Woodstein's sorry butt from retribution by his source; 30 years is too-long for a journalist-spook to live in fear! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html thus quoth: be sure to get anyhting that 's not priomary sopurces in mgeometry! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:14:46 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: sources in the schoolroom etc. <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 28-JUL-2002 10:14 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us OK, let me make a newly-educated (but long-suspected) guess about the usership of this list (and "Buckywitches" in general): there may not be a single one of us who knows Napiers rule of spherical trigonometry, or ever knew it. draw your own inference, boys and girls! oh, by the way, I couldn't get _S_ to load, or Gray's site; is any thing wrong with it?... I also tried from the link at BFI. does anyone have a link to Kirby Urner's page, or does he have one? his business was pdx4d, or 4d Solutions, and his site used to be on teleport.com. thus saith: in mathematics, Bucky left-out just about every thing, although there are some great pointers-to, as with Napier's (pentagonal) rule o'spherical trig. (but you'll never get any where with that, in the navigational sense, without grokking "polar trigona" .-) you can see the vested interests that have settled around the prosaical and metaphorical "schoolbook depository." or is it, suppository? --Dump the Washington POST; protect Woodstein's sorry butt from retribution by his source; 30 years is too-long for a journalist-spook to live in fear! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:17:10 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: sources in the schoolroom etc. <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 28-JUL-2002 10:17 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us oops: PPS: i shouldve' said about 'Strep Throat,' it was possibly, a "whether in-drag or post-mortem go-between" -- exclusing the "or!" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:39:21 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: sources in the schoolroom etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have done all of my calculations for geodesic domes with spherical=20 trig, which of course means Napier's rule as well. Calculations up to 16v. Scientific calculator, pencil and paper. 1990. Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian =BFQuincy! Hutchings 28-JUL-2002 10:1= 4 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us >=20 > OK, let me make a newly-educated (but long-suspected) guess > about the usership of this list (and "Buckywitches" > in general): > there may not be a single one of us who knows Napiers rule > of spherical trigonometry, or ever knew it. >=20 > draw your own inference, boys and girls! >=20 > oh, by the way, > I couldn't get _S_ to load, or Gray's site; > is any thing wrong with it?... I also tried > from the link at BFI. does anyone have a link > to Kirby Urner's page, or does he have one? > his business was pdx4d, or 4d Solutions, and > his site used to be on teleport.com. >=20 > thus saith: > in mathematics, Bucky left-out just about every thing, > although there are some great pointers-to, > as with Napier's (pentagonal) rule o'spherical trig. (but > you'll never get any where with that, > in the navigational sense, > without grokking "polar trigona" .-) > you can see the vested interests > that have settled around the prosaical and > metaphorical "schoolbook depository." >=20 > or is it, suppository? >=20 > --Dump the Washington POST; > protect Woodstein's sorry butt > from retribution by his source; > 30 years is too-long for a journalist-spook > to live in fear! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html >=20 >=20 --=20 Formactive: http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:04:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Comments: To: Nighthawk Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, Take a look at my collection of info about dome model-building: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-M.htm (scroll down to = "Models") =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nighthawk=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 12:07 PM How can I find a miniature dome kit that i can set up and experiment = with? I have a vision of puttin clay around the dome and firing it from = within. John Coelho 206-634-1848 dorf@jps.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:15:48 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: sources in the schoolroom etc. <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 29-JUL-2002 7:15 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Steve (?), you've made me so happy; there is now at least *one* in the usership who knows it. so, I'll forgo (for now) making-up "the Rhyme of the Mariner for Dummies" -- which includes Brian, of course, since I've never actually been *any* where by boat. I'm glad to see taht _S_ is still "up," but you can't seem to get the color plate of Napier's rule -- which was mistaquen, as i recall, in a minr way. here's the write-up: http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s10/p5000.html#1050.39 --Dump the Washington POST; protect Woodstein's sorry butt from retribution by his source; 30 years is too-long for a journalist-spook to live in fear! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:51:01 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: spherical trigonometry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is a little more complicated than regular trigonometry, because of the central angles. Scientific calculators are a big help, since the tables are cumbersome. Of course, scientific calculators are taken for granted now. When I was in college in the early 70s they cost $400.00. That would be like paying $2000.00 now. I used a slide rule and trig tables then. I got into spherical trig after I bought my first scientific calculator. Bucky used an adding machine. A single page in Domebook 2 describes the spherical trig process. Synergetics is more helpful, with imagery to explain subdivision and relating plane geometry concepts to spherical cases (i.e. crossings and reflections). -- Formactive: http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:12:48 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Polyhedrons Comments: To: Nickem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nick, I downloaded the Java plugin for my browser & now everything works! = Thanks. I had assumed that Java was automatically included in = Microsoft's browser; guess I was wrong. Your site is very nice; you obviously have done a lot of work. Do you = have any plans to generate higher frequency domes based on the tet, oct, = cube, icosa, ve, etc? There's a web site & list for people interested in geodesic domes; see = http://www.domegroup.org/ Also there is a list for people interested in Buckminster Fuller in = general; see = http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dgeodesic&A=3D1 And a group especially for those interested in Fuller's geometry: = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/synergeo/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nickem=20 To: Joe S Moore=20 Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Polyhedrons there is a link on the polyhedron page (Java). You can use it to get = the Java plug-in from java.sun.com. It should work, but some people = with windows ME and other newer versions have had problems with it too. = If you find a solution, let me know and I will incorporate it in my = site. later--- nick ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe S Moore=20 To: Nick=20 Cc: List, The Geodesic ; Moore, Joe S.=20 Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: Polyhedrons Nick, Thanks for the complement! For some reason the graphics on your Polyhedra pages are not visible = to me. For instance, all I see on the Platonic/Tetrahedron page is a = grey square (http://www.geowood.com/001S.html). I'm using Microsoft's = IE browser version 6.0.26. The graphics on your Products pages are OK. = The graphics that I can see look good. I sent a Cc to the Geodesics List where there are people with = similar interests to yours. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nick=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:48 AM Subject: Polyhedrons You have a very cool and comprehensive site. I am very interested = in polyhedrons, tessellation and the combination of different shapes. I = do my constructions in 3D and also carve from solid wood. Please feel = free to visit my web site. I would like to make an acquaintance with = some people who have a similar interest. Also, I would appreciate your = comments on my interactive polyhedron content. (java required). later--- nick http://www.geowood.com (I put a colon and www in order to make = your link hot) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:59:02 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Please Update listing Comments: To: Faze Change Produx Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wil, Thanks for the heads-up; I will correct your address with my next = update. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Faze Change Produx=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Please Update listing Dear Joe, Please update our listing on the list of manufacturers. It has been incorrect for four years. Our correct address for both Econ-O-Dome and Faze Change Produx is below: Faze Change Produx Creators of Econ-O-Dome RR#1 Box 295B Sullivan IL 61951 PH TOLL FREE 1-888-DOME-LUV website www.one-eleven.net/econodome e-mail fazechange@one-eleven.net Thanks: Wil Fidroeff, P.S. I'm the guy who stored the Fly's Eye Dome for the Fuller = Institute after Bucky died. I kept it at my place in the Mojave Desert = until it was given to the Pasadena Arts Center to set up for Earth Day = 1990. You can ask John Ferry about it sometime, he should remember me. = =20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:52:43 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: spherical trigonometry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I won't leave it to look-up in _S_, since it is a simple observation: spherical trig. is simpler, in the sense that there is no "confuzing" mixture of angles and lengths; it's all angles!... here is my question, which I have never studied to answer: given the spatial analog of planar trig., tetragonometry (ne, tetrahedronometry, not to be confuzed with Schoute's polygonometry, which is one o'those abstruse "n-dim." things), is there any "round" analog of if, or is it simply an ill-formed question? >It is a little more complicated than regular trigonometry, because of >the central angles. Scientific calculators >are a big help, since the tables are cumbersome. Of course, scientific >calculators are taken for granted now. >When I was in college in the early 70s they cost $400.00. That would be >like paying $2000.00 now. I used a slide rule >and trig tables then. I got into spherical trig after I bought my first >scientific calculator. Bucky used an adding machine. >A single page in Domebook 2 describes the spherical trig process. >Synergetics is more helpful, with imagery to explain subdivision >and relating plane geometry concepts to spherical cases (i.e. crossings >and reflections). --Strep Throat @30; boycott Post et al (ad vom.) http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:10:34 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: spherical trigonometry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Plane trig is limited to a zero degree central angle. I am unsure of your question, but will attempt an answer. The arcs on the sphere are described by degrees, which belong to the central angle. The chords are expressed as 2sin (theta/2). Even with plane trigonometry, it is all degrees. Lengths are degrees of the central angle, which is always zero. In spherical trig terms, all of plane trigonometry takes place on a single dimensionless point. Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > I won't leave it to look-up in _S_, since > it is a simple observation: > spherical trig. is simpler, in the sense that > there is no "confuzing" mixture of angles and lengths; > it's all angles!... here is my question, > which I have never studied to answer: > given the spatial analog of planar trig., > tetragonometry (ne, tetrahedronometry, > not to be confuzed with Schoute's polygonometry, > which is one o'those abstruse "n-dim." things), > is there any "round" analog of if, or > is it simply an ill-formed question? > >> It is a little more complicated than regular trigonometry, because of >> the central angles. Scientific calculators >> are a big help, since the tables are cumbersome. Of course, scientific >> calculators are taken for granted now. >> When I was in college in the early 70s they cost $400.00. That would be >> like paying $2000.00 now. I used a slide rule >> and trig tables then. I got into spherical trig after I bought my first >> scientific calculator. Bucky used an adding machine. >> A single page in Domebook 2 describes the spherical trig process. >> Synergetics is more helpful, with imagery to explain subdivision >> and relating plane geometry concepts to spherical cases (i.e. crossings >> and reflections). > > > --Strep Throat @30; boycott Post et al (ad vom.) > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html > > --Oil Platform 2000!... > The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols > of the Elders of Kyoto: > (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ > BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. > Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): > 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) > 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) > 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) > 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) > 21 -- OMAHA (25K) > 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) > 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) > 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) > 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > -- Formactive: http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:43:05 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: sources in the schoolroom etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oy heil. you can see the Brito-centrism of Bucky's speak, from the "footnote 8" that I've excerpted in the following. of course, the initial idea is Bucky's neat-o pronouncement, which I hadn't recalled in that form. oops; I just read that, wrong. so, let me add the thought: a "flat trigon" is one, whose edges are approximately of zero degrees measure (from the center of the sphere that it's on). anyway, the "decimals" weren't invented by Napier, not the Arabs, but by Simon Stevin in the 15th CCE, when the mercantile class took ot around. thus quoth: symmetric polyhedra. A circle is a spherical triangle each of whose three corner angles is 180 degrees. 1050.38 To find the value of all the central angles (sides) and surface (corner) angles of any spherical triangle, we can always start by dropping a perpendicular from any vertex of that triangle upon its opposite side__making it into two "right" triangles. In order to discover all six angular values of a given triangle it is necessary to know__in addition to knowing the 90-degree corner__the surface- or central-angular values of any other two of the to-be-solved triangle's five other parts: A, B, a, b, c. Many mathematicians have devised strategic formulas for coping with trigonometric solutions, most of them involving plus or minus quadrant symbols that invite errors of calculation. 1050.39 To make the trigonometry of the sea captain's celestial navigation as simple and foolproof as possible the mathematician Lord Napier (1550 1667)8 evolved the following diagrams and procedures. To avoid what is known in navigation as "the 180- degree error"__going in exactly the opposite direction from that which will get you where you want to go__Napier arranged the five non-90-degree "parts" of a triangle in a five- segment "clock." (Footnote 8: Napier was the first to use the decimal point; he also invented logarithms for numbers. His mathematical ingenuity contributed greatly to the attainment of world ocean supremacy by the East India Company and the Royal Navy.) thus quoth: > I'm glad to see taht _S_ is still "up," but > you can't seem to get the color plate > of Napier's rule -- which was mistaquen, > as i recall, in a minr way. here's the write-up: > > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s10/p5000.html#1050.39 > > > --Dump the Washington POST; > protect Woodstein's sorry butt > from retribution by his source; > 30 years is too-long for a journalist-spook > to live in fear! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx