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Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 09:13:00 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: understanding math MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Independent verification of randome(pat.pending) construction. The conspiracy grows, Lyndon. Thanks, Adrian. Dick ... >>QQQ: >> There's only one thing that you could shingle, >> apparently, and that is ****. Go and fly a kite, ... >Dick: > I keep saying there are no problems shingling. You say > there are. That's where things stand. Why don't you just > say what problems you are talking about, if you can. ... Adrian: When building one of these shapes you can always add a cone module which overlaps only on the outside of modules already part of the shape. If you build the shape like this then there are no shingling issues which can stop you completing the shape. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 10:44:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: GENI income and expense In-Reply-To: <3E1227EC.5070908@geni.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I want to thank you Peter for all your hard work for 2002, and all the years before. I hope you won't take my comments as criticisms, which they are certainly not intended to be. And Peter, I hope you get a raise this year! Hell, I hope we all get raises LOL! > From: P Meisen > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:27:40 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: GENI income and expense > > TO: Geodesic listserve: > I cannot respond for BFI, but GENI does not lose or make money. We > spend pretty much all that comes in. In good years, we may be able to > add a part-time staffer, exhibit at a extra global meeting, expand our > data base and yearly mailing, or create a CD ROM. On slower years, we > move forward but at a slower pace. > > While GENI doesn't have final figures just yet for 2002, our income > looks to be about $105,000 and I can almost gaurantee we invested just > about all of that in our work. The Director was paid about $16,000 in 2002 > > The other questions from your previous e-mail will be answered as time > allows. Specifically, GENI's plans and goals for the year 2003 will be > forthcoming > > Thanks, > Peter Meisen > President, GENI > peter@geni.org > > Leifur Thor wrote: > >> Thanks Joe again for answering my questions, and for posting the info. >> >> I have one last silly question regarding what you've said. If both >> organizations are losing such large amounts of money, how are they able to >> exist? Or could this be one of those tax things... >> >>> From: Joe S Moore >>> Organization: (Retired) >>> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >>> >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:53:35 -0700 >>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: Re: 2001-330473889-1-9 >>> >>> Leifur, >>> >>> Every year I post the tax returns of BFI & GENI. If they would ever start >>> posting that info on their web sites, then I wouldn't have to. >>> >>> It would appear that BFI's income was about $280,000 in 2001, & their >>> expenses were about $370,000. >>> >>> GENI had about $158,000 income & about $145,000 expenses. >>> >>> BFI reports about $10,000 in Administrative expenses & GENI $79,000. >>> >>> Neither organization lists who their contributors are, just the total >>> amount. >>> >>> GENI's website lists the following projects: >>> http://www.geni.org/energy/projects/projects.html >>> >>> BFI lists their plans on the following page: >>> http://209.196.135.250/about_this_website.htm >>> >>> ============================== >>> Joe S Moore >>> joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >>> http://buckminster.info <========== N E W >>> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute >>> ============================= >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Leifur Thor" >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:01 AM >>> Subject: Re: 2001-330473889-1-9 >>> >>> >>>> Thanks Joe for posting these. Since I'm fairly new here, can you tell me >>>> >>> if >>> >>>> you post BFI's, and GENI's tax returns every year, or is this a new thing? >>>> >>>> Also, I'd like to admit ignorance as an accountant, and ask anyone who's >>>> read these if they could summarize- >>>> >>>> How much net revenue the two organizations made? >>>> How much salary are the principles getting? >>>> How much grant money they received, and from where? (so I can apply too >>>> LOL!) >>>> >>>> Also on another note, I'm curious what BFI and GENI's plans are for 2003? >>>> Anyone know any details. >>>> >>> (snip) >>> >> > > -- > The Global Energy Network Institute focuses on the interconnection of > electric power networks between nations and continents, with an emphasis on > tapping abundant renewable energy resources. This strategy is the highest > priority of the World Game simulation developed by Dr. Buckminster Fuller > three decades ago. > TEL: 619-595-0139 peter@geni.org http://www.geni.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 10:44:10 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: GENI income and expense In-Reply-To: <188.1382740d.2b4397c5@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think I get it now. This list is comprised of anticipatory design scientists, which at times means engineers, dreamers, math buffs, writers, and poets! > From: Mark Stehly > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:00:53 EST > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: GENI income and expense > > If they are lacking in funds and/or not making money consistantly they are > either spun (internal sabotage), hindered (external sabotage), and /or inept > (lack of creative spark *irony*). Bucky's work does echo/exercise the > traditonal sacred math, Carl Munck's work being but one of the unspun best > discoveries. HREF="http://www.pyramidmatrix.com">http://www.pyramidmatrix.com > I garauntee it's something Intell will not like having Bucky's on the trail > of. Make sure to review Ralph Abram's work, along with a Ramanujan crib's > notes. > Bucky's ideas actually built and operated in societal applications will > inspire genius like few others, and they just can't have that. Like three > dimensional expression of the appreciation of nature a constant reminder of > harmonious genius potential. > Nope, can't have that. > Better tell 'em > Remember the Maine > Remember the Lusitania > Remember Pearl Harbor > Remember Gulf of Tonkin > Remember 9-11 > and too many more > > Life's currently a flea circus with hall monitors. > > I think LL is bad news, Quincy, if I'm wrong.... You'll recieve 2 grass > fed steaks, a case of beer, 2 bottles of wine (one Thunderbird, to remind the > winner of humility or resentment, I forget which) *if you win this deal*. > Remember what we lose if you've been given incomplete or carefully spun > transnational money bought information - follow the money who has it (in > abundance) and who has the money to spare to further a cause? same folks, you > guessed it the nuclear mafia is in bed with all the worst of them. > I think we can use the intelligence of this boared(sic!) to eliminate > potential pResidential hopefulls and might as well start with favorites(yours > N' mine). These questions certainly apply. > > El Marko, the White Knight (nay the kkk typeology - think King > Arthur riding a turbo Magna Carta horse), or Don Quixote. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:33:48 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Subject: space frame system Comments: cc: dicabi@libero.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello, Biagio, Regarding your question about the construction of the "trussed Buckyball" shown on http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/megadomemodels.msnw?Page=1, it is made using die-cut folded hubs, and cut and punched plastic drinking straws. I have added a picture which shows the hub construction for 5- and 6-prong hubs. The method for hubs in a truss, which can contain up to 12 struts, is similar; just add hub segments. One result is that the more struts are connected, the bigger the hub gets, and so this must be taken into account when calculating lengths. (fudge factors) I have got a patent on this system, mostly out of the belief that it would facilitate getting people interested, and getting it into production. So far this has not proved to be the case. Its easy to make the connectors; its a standard die-cutting process. But cutting and punching the straws has proved to be more challenging, partly because there is no limit to the structures which can be built, and therefore to the chord lengths required for a given kit. Presently I'm working on the design of a cheap punch, and would be glad to talk with anyone who has ideas about this. Happy New Year! Bob ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:52:32 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: solid angle name Comments: To: sphere , synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is there a name for the solid angle equal to 60 degrees? I notice that one sphere equals 12.5664 sterads of solid angle. A sterad is abouy 57 degrees, equal in area to the radius squared. One sphere also equals 12 solid angles equal to 60 degrees, does it not? If we name that angle, maybe quarton or quadron or whatever, we could say, instead, a sphere is 12 quartons. This is much neater than 12.5664, isn't it? We could also say the central plane of a sphere equals 4 quarads. The only difference between a sterad and a quarton is about 3 degrees. If it already has a name, I'd really like to know what it is. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:22:16 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Subject: buckyball model Comments: To: dicabi@libero.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello again, In my email this morning I did not explain the chord factor data for the "trussed Buckyball" model. I used chord factors from Joe Clinton which I changed somewhat. The model consists of an inner shell which is a 2-frequency tricon, made of two lengths; an outer shell which is what I am referring to as a Buckyball: hexagons and pentagons all made up of a single strut length, and two diagonal lengths connecting the inner and outer shells. You could make this model with the two shells very nearly the same diameter, or with very different diameters. I would think that in designing a trussed structure, one would want the shells as close together as possible, while still maintaining the desired strength. (In many modern wooden buildings, the entire second floor is made up of trusses, for reasons I don't understand) The data that I got from Joe Clinton produced a model where the inner shell diameter was 3/4 the outer shell diameter. I changed the lengths so that the inner shell was more like 7/8 of the outer shell so that the diagonal bracing was at a shallower angle, and there was more central space. I did this by trial and error by changing the lengths of the two diagonals, while aiming to keep a single length for the outer shell. In the picture http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/megadomemodels.msnw?Page=1 the outer shell is green, the diagonals are pink and red, and the inner shell is yellow and orange. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:25:27 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: solid angle Comments: To: sphere , synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone know? 1 sphere = 41252.961 square degrees 1 sphere = ????? triangle degrees __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:55:33 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: solid angle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is the solid angle equal to angular deficit of the surface? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 04:38:57 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Gravity uncurved? Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I don't know that it's not true that "to a spacetime corresponds a riemannian manifold --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX >Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 13:50:37 -0600 > From: rybo6 >Subject: Gravity not curved > >Lee Smolin pg. 333 > > "The reader may be disturbed that i have described general >relativity while making no mention of geometry, curved spacetime, and so >on. This is because, while the analogy between spacetime, as Einstein's >theory describes it, and geometry is both beautiful and useful, it is >only an analogy. It has little physical content apart from the ideas I >have already described here. Further, the analogy is in an important >sense not completely true. >Subject: Re: 120-degree triangle triples. > >I was distracted for a few weeks. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 04:56:34 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: understanding math Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed He was referring to fractal "self-similarity." Subject: octane I have two questions, can a B-A module build it's larger self? http://www.cartan.pair.com/ --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 04:55:40 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: projection of "Das Klown" Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Of course, one of those stars is the Sun, but only in the daytime (unless you have a REALLY big mirror). Thus saith: it was never intended to be equal-area, just conformal, and to always indicate a True Heading of a ship, as found by looking at stars & compass. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 05:00:24 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: projection of "Kruste Klown" Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Saith "Dick:" You've seen one version of Fischbeck's map, looks like this; pressed for time, Alaska got severed: I don't think that you made this; or, how did you do so?... Any example from what you did is fine; you don't have to give-away the whole "patent-pending" process! Anyway, those straight lines that are drawn across a set of trigona cannot be GCs (and can't be, as far as I know, for any "general position" line across any flat map). As for Brianchon, it only applies to hexagona (or fewer-sided shapes). For that mater, as I recall, you can draw a conic through any 5 points on the plane, but not any six. (Haven't looked at the following, and I don't want to !-) Thus quotH: http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=84 Re: Brianchon If the vertexes of a randome(pat.pending) are connected with lines and those lines are bisected, each vertex gets surrounded by a n-gon. A circle or ellipse can be drawn inside each n-gon, as Brianchon showed. That's what I'm http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/combgeom/handout3.pdf Also, what is the relationship between the solid angle deficit and the axial angle deficit? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 04:59:21 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: understanding math Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Why do I always have to bite it? Firstly, what is *your* definition of "frustrum?" So, there are plenty of questions that arise with such a virtual construction -- considering that you don't actually *seem* to've built one, so far, or you might have asked some of them -- like, Does the "solid angle" of a cone change, if it's distorted in any way?... And, make sure that you "complete the spheric," or it's still a completely empty experiment.... Sorry, but you seem to have already noticed that the solid angle may not be the same, although you can keep the perimeter of the what-ever-cross-section the same -- if you don't have to "crumple the cone" -- but that wasn't really your cone; was it? By the way, http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/combgeom/handout3.pdf is an OK set-up for making a proof of Descartes theorem on the angular deficit (and you already "know" the answer as a formulism, if you know Bucky), but you still have to finsish the proof. I also don't see that Adrian's say-so about making the cone "just right" -- which wouldn't be that easy -- gets around the problem of shingling: you either have to shingle, or construct the cones with special tabs, or provide some sort of cone-element-edge-joinery. That's a ways from "patent pending," although you could possibly incorporate this stuff into your "notebook" ... so much for trolling the net! Duh, and don't think, I didn't notice the slapstick humidour about giving Alaska back to the British ... I mean, in the following reply to "Re: projection of 'Birth of a Nation!'" Thus quoth: The thing I just built is an irregular spherical honeycomb. The elements are frustums of acute cones all with the same solid angle. I'll get a picture up soon. Correction: different solid angle, same perimeter. If solid angle is area, then the hexagons definitely do not have the same area. All vertexes have the same deficit. Duh, and don't think, I didn't notice the slapstick humidour about giving Alaska back to the British ... I mean, in the following reply to "Re: projection of 'Birth of a Nation!'" --A HYDROGEN (sic; cracked methane) ECONOMY?... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER 25 -- THYROID STORM http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 01:21:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: space frame system Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed you're giving us a machine-tool to do it with -- Bucky'd dig that! thus qutoh: But cutting and punching the straws has proved to be more challenging, partly because there is no limit to the structures which can be built, and therefore to the chord lengths required for a given kit. Presently I'm working on the design of a cheap punch, and would be glad to talk with anyone who has ideas about this. http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/megadomemodels.msnw?Page=1 --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 01:29:41 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed [another NB: I've got an excerpt form the IOM report on hemp, that is as devastating as the coverage of it on the radio was "lite, plus!"] I looked at a couple of your cites, including the third one for Lyn. John Foster "Chip" Berlet is a horrible loud-mouth from the "left," who has laundered the defamatory garbage of the ADL -- whose was the very first quoted, there -- as well as the booklength slander from Larry King (which was originally going to be a page-one slander in the NYTimes, but "we" found out about it & exposed the two reporters in a press-conference, so that the "foundations" turned it over to King to be serialized in a local freebie, *Our Town* (whence the book). The ADL is not a Jewish organization per se, although their mother "lodge," B'nai B'rith, is; the ADL is not even a membership org, but just a front for channeling money from credulous Jews into hate-mongering (such as their "multicultural curriculum" that is taught in US schools; is it worse than Harry-the-Bad-Potter, or "A History of US" from Oxford?... I don't know, yet). One question for you, Marky: *Where* is Mt. Pinatubo, and what is the name of the night-time weather formation, o'er Antarctica? [*] Anyway, there was a great letter-to-the-editor in Science News, which I have quoted on PEN, by a vulcanolgist who'd attended the then-latest intl. conference, and it's a little more specific than Limbo's quote. Perhaps he'd used Maduro's book from EIR, though. Also, what is the gist of http://www.pyramidmatrix.com? ----- * Note added in proof (once you get the answers :-) just when I turned-on the dumb-wing AM talkradio, mister [you-know-his-voice, old commentator] was referring to "a couple of Irishmen" and their expedition to cross Antarctica on skis, pulled by kites; I wouldn't have thought of that, but it makes perfect sense that they had to quit for lack of wind! Thus quoth: are causing the ozone depletion, yet Mount Pinatubo has put 570 times the amount of chlorine into the atmosphere in one eruption than all of man-made chlorofluorocarbons in one year." Thus quoth: http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclc3.html Thus saith: I simply ask that people a) review the UNSCEAR 2000 report on it, and b) that they look at the actual science on the 21st C. website, by someone who has a long experience with the bureaucracies. I haven't looked at any of these cites, but I can say a few things about a) hemp for haemorrhoids (as a panacea and/or Stupid-plant Economy; "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 02:53:03 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blair Wolfram Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " John Foster "Chip" Berlet is a horrible loud-mouth from the "left" who has laundered the defamatory garbage of the ..." So Quincy, is he sitting next to you, or on your lap? Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > [another NB: > I've got an excerpt form the IOM report on hemp, > that is as devastating as the coverage of it > on the radio was "lite, plus!"] > > I looked at a couple of your cites, including the third one > for Lyn. John Foster "Chip" Berlet is a horrible loud-mouth > from the "left," who has laundered the defamatory garbage > of the ADL -- whose was the very first quoted, there -- as well > as the booklength slander from Larry King (which was originally going > to be a page-one slander in the NYTimes, but > "we" found out about it & exposed the two reporters > in a press-conference, so that the "foundations" turned it over > to King to be serialized in a local freebie, *Our Town* > (whence the book). The ADL is not a Jewish organization per se, > although their mother "lodge," B'nai B'rith, is; > the ADL is not even a membership org, but just a front > for channeling money from credulous Jews into hate-mongering > (such as their "multicultural curriculum" that is taught > in US schools; is it worse than Harry-the-Bad-Potter, or > "A History of US" from Oxford?... I don't know, yet). > > One question for you, Marky: > *Where* is Mt. Pinatubo, and > what is the name of the night-time weather formation, > o'er Antarctica? [*] Anyway, > there was a great letter-to-the-editor in Science News, > which I have quoted on PEN, by a vulcanolgist > who'd attended the then-latest intl. conference, and > it's a little more specific than Limbo's quote. Perhaps > he'd used Maduro's book from EIR, though. > Also, > what is the gist of http://www.pyramidmatrix.com? > ----- > * Note added in proof (once you get the answers :-) > just when I turned-on the dumb-wing AM talkradio, > mister [you-know-his-voice, old commentator] was referring > to "a couple of Irishmen" and their expedition > to cross Antarctica on skis, pulled by kites; > I wouldn't have thought of that, but > it makes perfect sense that they had to quit > for lack of wind! > > Thus quoth: > are causing the ozone depletion, yet Mount Pinatubo has put 570 times the > amount of chlorine into the atmosphere in one eruption than all of man-made > chlorofluorocarbons in one year." > > Thus quoth: > http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclc3.html > > Thus saith: > I simply ask that people a) > review the UNSCEAR 2000 report on it, and b) > that they look at the actual science on the 21st C. website, > by someone who has a long experience with the bureaucracies. > I haven't looked at any of these cites, but I can say a few things > about a) > hemp for haemorrhoids (as a panacea and/or Stupid-plant Economy; > > "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) > http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:27:37 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: 120-degree triangle triples. Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks, man. Sierpinski's monograph is just called, I think, _Pythagorean Triangles_; it's pretty old. It shouldn't be too hard to prove that those are the only integer-sided trigona. For instance, the fact that the cosine giving 1/2 works, is just because of the factor of 2 in "+/- 2ab," and (I think) it's easy to show (in Sierpinski e.g.) that every *right* trigon has at least one even edge of the two on the right corner ... so, anyway, what can you say about other factors "on the left-hand side" of cc = aa + bb =/- 2ab(cos(theta)) ?? (http://ray.jhax.net/NaturalCoordinateSystem.html) --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:20:34 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I wouldn't speculate upon Chip's proclivity for yo'face, dude ... well, I wouldn't type it out, at any rate! thus quoth: " John Foster "Chip" Berlet is a horrible loud-mouth from the "left" who has laundered the defamatory garbage of the ..." So Quincy, is he sitting next to you, or on your lap? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:30:07 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: projection of "Kruste Klown" Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm getting sick of this pretension, but it seems that "Dick" and his imaginary inventor, in inventing a "new map," have at least made a keen observation in tehir VR. However, since one's experience of geography on land is so peculiar to the terrain & the development thereof, the whole desideratum of "near-equal-area" is not a big deal, although the apposite gesture of maximizing the o'er-water trigona is good, insofar as it might reduce the problem of going from one, to the next (on the trip; psyber, in this case .-) as for "shingling," you've really got to be kidding, as for the use of statistical language. thus quoth: --A HYDROGEN (sic; cracked methane) ECONOMY?... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 23 -- Googolplex (tm) 24 -- New Order (Yahoo!s (tm)) "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:33:01 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: projection of "Kruste Klown" Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed on the wayside, it has mothing to do with the GCs, themselves, not being "straight" (as a ruler) on a map. thus quoth: Right, the air routes from Oslo are not perfectly straight, as is true of any flat map. Because the "one-island" triangles are minimized, there'd be somewhat less distortion in this map compared to an icosahedral map, while still keeping gores in the ocean. "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:59:07 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: projection of "Kruste Klown" Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed OK; here's a little problem for trigonated maps (which also applies to polygonated maps of any sort, trivially): Can you find a Moebius transform from one trigon of the map, to an adjacent one?... in particular for a map that is made of identical (or equigonal) trigona, is there a famous "law" or constraint that applies to the GC "line" in its crossing from one trigon to the next?... I'm just guessing, now, at this rule, and it may nto be quite that simple. thus saith: it has mothing to do with the GCs, themselves, not being "straight" (as a ruler) on a map. "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:08:05 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: understanding math Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I hate these moron-savants, like the Genitalia-on-Mars guy [*]. ----- * well, where are they, "doctor" Dick?... I mean, I hate to love these guys! thus quoth: http://www.pyramidmatrix.com/nazca_lines.htm --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:29:56 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: understanding math Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed not surprisingly, this Munck critter has a list of surreal links, along with fellow planet-artist Hoagland his very first link is to Fart Smell. I'll post the words on tonight's guest, but you have to sign-up to listen to the clowns of prior nights, such as Sean David Morton and his tactical "predictions" at the "Delphi Inst." these guests make me puke, which is one reason that it's so healthy to listen to talkradio; it's an emetic! thus quoth: Glynis McCants is a professional numerologist. Weekend host Barbara Simpson will chat with her about the ancient science that defines who you are using vibrations of the numbers 1 through 9. McCants' website is called numberslady.com. "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX --A HYDROGEN (sic; cracked methane) ECONOMY?... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS 21 -- OMAHA "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:49:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: more models Comments: To: sphere , synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here are pictures of the latest kitchen-table-built models. http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=117 http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=118 I still want to know what the relationship is between angular deficit and solid angle. So far I get: a=b/(360+2b), or b=180a/(360-a), where alpha, a, is angular deficit and beta, b, is solid angle. Any help with this? Maybe some knows. Dick Fischbeck Randome (pat.pending) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 16:34:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: fuller's works Comments: To: taliesin@umisatsang.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Taliesin, See this McGill University webpage: http://ww2.mcgill.ca/mchg/research/research.html They sell that booklet for $5.00 ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taliesin" To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: fuller's works > I am trying to track down a copy of WATER CONSERVATION > & THE MIST EXPERIENCE by MORSE, ET AL, 1978. I see > the table of contents on your site. Would it be > possible to obtain a copy from you? Or perhaps, you > could give me information as to where I could borrow > or buy a copy of this work? In appreciation > > > Taliesin > > ===== > - Taliesin > > Education is a process of conditioning the youth of society to function in a reality that no longer exists, and has been obsolete for some time. > -- Bucky Fuller (paraphrase) > > http://www.umisatsang.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:11:05 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Subject: Re: understanding math In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable El 28/12/02 00:03, "Bob" escribi=F3: > Quincy asks how I could have built an 8 frequency sphere model using > the spherical coordinates from "Geodesic Math and How to Use it" > while maintaining that I found the book overwhelming. >=20 > I determined to read every sentence in the book, resisting the > impulse to throw it across the room, and understanding almost > nothing. The author's assertions that he was not a mathematician, but > I think an English teacher, did not help. The big breakthrough for me > was plugging the spherical coordinates he provided into the formula > he also provided: > d =3D sqrt(2-2{costheta1costheta2+cos[phi1-phi2]sintheta1sintheta2}) >=20 > Blindly plugging spherical coordinates into a complicated-looking > formula in order to derive chord factors, probably puts me in the top > .0001 % of mathematical geniuses. It certainly impressed my friends. > And the model, an 8 ft diameter sphere with something over 1700 > struts, hangs serenely in the loft of the barn where I have my > office. Its somewhat deceptive: there is a 1/8 dia aluminum rod > around the equator, which is suspended by 5 invisible pieces of > fishing line. It shows that you don't have to know what you're doing > in order to accomplish something! >=20 > Bob Sanderson mr bob,=20 Talk to me please.=20 Fank=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:01:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: more models Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed notice that "Dcik" didn't give the "N," because he's using his papier-mache "craft" method, and couldn't complete the sphere (or won't, becuase of the problems of shingling; just takes too long). that is, he might a-posteriori give us an n, or have trid to measure the angular deficit of his consituten unit-umbrellas, but he was probably already falling-over from the martinis. the gores are cute, but stupid, I must say of your minion, Kruste. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX thus quoth: >What kind of globe was it that you could make the folds? Light weight >cardboard? > > http://www.geocities.com/kruste_klown/Map/mobe.html thus quoth: >http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=117 >http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=118 > >I still want to know what the relationship is between >angular deficit and solid angle. > >So far I get: > >a=b/(360+2b), thus quoth: >Ha! I love it! Umbrellas! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:54:41 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: more models Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed it's impossible to believe anything that "Dick" or his Klown say, at this point -- not that he's lying, of course. why, then, does he not ever say any thing about what he did to deal with shingling the qua-cones (viz, they can *not* be cones, with double-curvature, and that should have been the end of this BS, long-ago) ?? I'd guess that this papier-mache "construction" is really some thing that was trolled from the net, because there is simply no indication from "Dick," as to hwo he might have bulit it. some of you are so credulous (or at least one of you is .-) at least, "Dick" is a supreme bullshitter, or perhaps some sort of junior spy (Mossad, al Queda, what ever !-) thus qutoh: > > http://www.geocities.com/kruste_klown/Map/mobe.html thus quoth: >http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=117 --A HYDROGEN (sic; cracked methane) ECONOMY?... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:01:16 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: projection of "Kruste Klown" Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'll stick with my conjecture about the "law," as it applies to projections made to equigonal trigona, but I'm not even sure that affine transforms are also Moebius ones, and so forth. of course, some of my knowledge is merely "encyclopedic." thus saith: OK; here's a little problem for trigonated maps (which also applies to polygonated maps of any sort, trivially): Can you find a Moebius transform from one trigon of the map, to an adjacent one?... in particular for a map that is made of identical (or equigonal) trigona, is there a famous "law" or constraint that applies to the GC "line" in its crossing from one trigon to the next?... I'm just guessing, now, at this rule, and it may nto be quite that simple. "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:05:21 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: more models Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Quincy Quincy Quincy >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: more models >Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:54:41 +0000 Wasn't it Quincy the one that once said: "this is a family list"? In this Shakespearean Synergy play, who is the deficit, who's the angle? More seriously, has anybody gauged Fuller's ideas from a synergetically point of view? I mean, shuouldn't one look for the alloys? isn't it that one should be seeking for somebody (Mr. Fuller cannot talk anymore) in the big leagues saying "I coalesce"? I mean: aren't alloys made of similar materials? I can say "I love foghouse theater play on Fuller", but who cares? Not even Lyndon Larouche blinks his eye, and I do not feel Mr. Larouche is a big big leaguer. I would like to hear an opinion from somebody like John F. Nash, but he wouldnt't answer my e-mails. Maybe he would say in good old New England style: "Mr. Fuller talked about sinergy at the same level of individuality, so, be sinergetic departing from my ideas, or make your own Fuller-size ideas" happy year Gerardo García Tampico, México PS. Good to hear that (New England style) Quincy is as opposed to war as was Thoreau. > >it's impossible to believe anything that "Dick" or his Klown say, >at this point -- not that he's lying, of course. why, then, >does he not ever say any thing about what he did > at least, "Dick" is a supreme bullshitter, or >perhaps some sort of junior spy (Mossad, al Queda, >what ever !-) > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:41:45 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: more models MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A cone is a single curvature figure. Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > it's impossible to believe anything that "Dick" or his Klown say, > at this point -- not that he's lying, of course. why, then, > does he not ever say any thing about what he did > to deal with shingling the qua-cones (viz, > they can *not* be cones, with double-curvature, and > that should have been the end of this BS, long-ago) ?? > I'd guess that this papier-mache "construction" is really > some thing that was trolled from the net, because > there is simply no indication from "Dick," > as to hwo he might have bulit it. some of you are so credulous > (or at least one of you is .-) > at least, "Dick" is a supreme bullshitter, or > perhaps some sort of junior spy (Mossad, al Queda, > what ever !-) > -- Formactive: http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:54:25 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Christ-o? thus quoth: Praise be to all-AH, the crap people have to put up with from the unbeliever.... http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1\ --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 04:55:50 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: FLT questions, any answers ? Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed let us say that we only concern ourselves with prime exponents ("n;" duh .-) I'm not sure that for 3, the curves are elliptical, because one is solving for a hypoteneuse (sik) that is not linear (or zero?); of course, it's true for xx + yy = zz, although it's always a circle. it's only of some note that "i," as the "square" root of minus one, is such an ideal. I'd certainly assume that Wiles' "proof" (sik; which I shall never, ever be able to construct) was able to prove any *partciular* exponent, even if they have to be divided amongst a few classes of proofs ... "else it wouldn't be a prove of FLT." "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 05:00:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: On Kanada's latest pi computation Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed any string of the chosen alphabet (excluding spaces?) can be gotten from any string *of* the alphabet -- such as a ring of the 26 letters in any order -- except the orignal text from the backwards text. just kidding. Ronald Bruck wrote in message news:<060120031324103805%bruck@math.usc.edu>... >Try looking for > > I-P-R-E-D-I-C-T-Y-O-U-W-O-N-T-F-I-N-D-M-A-N-Y-A-S-L-O-N-G-A-S-T-H-I-S "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:29:40 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: On Kanada's latest pi computation Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed modulo 25, to get the backwards text.... oops; that'll replace every letter with the letter before it, replacing A with Z e.g., a slightly different problem (a-hem). I think the context was the awful "skip codes" a la the Aish Ha-ha-ha-tor-ah-ah-ah cult, but using digits of pi ... in the base of 26?... as I recall, Borwein and Borwien's algorithm will allow you to find any nth digit in any base of 2^i, so that you could start any old where in the sequence. (this is one of the things that Drosnin, Satinover et al are incapable of noticing, because of their slack-jawed adherence to the ex-post-facto "predictions:" the Babel-decoders take any old chunk from the Bible, and form it into m-by-n rows, so that the diagonals (incl. verticals) will embody the skips, as ransacked overnight by a computer .-) thus saith: any string of the chosen alphabet (excluding spaces?) can be gotten from any string *of* the alphabet -- such as a ring of the 26 letters in any order -- except the orignal text from the backwards text. just kidding. "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:38:48 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Yasushi Kajikawa Comments: To: mail@biagiodicarlo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Biagio, Go to the bottom of my home page and search for Kajikawa. You should get 8 hits. See also http://web.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~aly/dome/dome.html and http://www.scipress.org/journals/forma/abstract/0201/02010001.html ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Newsgroups: alt.bucky-fuller Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Yasushi Kajikawa > > Please, where I can find on the web other informations about > Yasushi Kajikawa? Thank you very much, > > Biagio Di Carlo > via berlino 2, villa raspa, spoltore. > 65010 PESCARA, Italy. +085 411588 > http://www.biagiodicarlo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:30:06 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: ending my stay at list Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed you're welcome, Steve-o! --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX >to those at Synergeo... > > In so much as it appears that I now have completed my wish list for >waterman objects, and any reasonable overlaps with synergetics explored, it >seeems time to remove myself from the Synergeo mailing list. > > I have gained much useful info and enjoyed many interesting >conversations >and explorations. Thanks to all of you, for your sharing of knowledge, >musing and expertise. > > I can still be reached at my email address, should anyone wish to >contact >me...about non-synergetic matters: in particular, about things covered at >my >site. > >steve waterman _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:39:30 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mobe Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I was referring to the parasols of Dick-o, who will never reply to any query of his so-called models, because "the dog *always* eats my homework; it's a regular part of his diet ." as for your "map," it is just a joke, and one has to wonder about your own notes, because "every one is supposed to know" that the edges cannot be put-together, as you show them, without a lot of banging -- and it was clear from the picture that there were lots of dings on it, although the "overhead" view obscures the lack of joining of the edges. if "Herschel" and "Dick" are not the same person, they are just two sides of the same syndrome. thus quoth: No papier-mache is involved. True, the triangles could have been better positioned to avoid splitting some countries, (but not all) and that can be changed. Not really in favour of trying to have a map that shows the land mass thus saith: > I'd guess that this papier-mache "construction" is really >some thing that was trolled from the net, because >there is simply no indication as to hwo he might have bulit it. some of you are so credulous > > > http://www.geocities.com/kruste_klown/Map/mobe.html > >http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw? action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=117 --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:48:15 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Solid angle Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed there's no reason, as "mature refraction" on the non-integral result of your calculation may bear, for a round *or* flat tetragonal degree ... til you find a good one. do the "lunes" proof of the Pythagorean theorem (again !-) (there's a bunch o'crap in Bucky's _S_, about the "T- and E-modules," because of his initial assumption that a rhombic triacontahedron, or some thing, held exactly 5 tetrahedral volumes of liquid. no; it was the sphere, itself, and it was fairly dang close !-) Lewis Mammel wrote in message news:<3E1BC419.FB1D0212@worldnet.att.net>... >That used to bug me, too. I went so far as to calculate the >area of a spherical square in terms of a side. I got >4*arcsin( tan( a/2) ^2 ) ( I originally got this by integrating. >I can get it from spherical trig, but not easily - I require >several hairy identities. ) > >It comes out to about 1.00005 square degrees for a side of 1 degree. >If you measure across the center, the formula is 4*arcsin( sin(a/2)^2 ) >and measured this way the area is 0.999975 square degrees. > >After mature reflection, I don't see anything wrong with a flat >square degree. After all, how do you define area on a sphere? >It's the same thing. "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 17:02:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Looking for a model Fuller used Comments: To: Michael T Grofsorean MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, See the BFI Dymaxion Catalog: http://209.196.135.250/search.html . Click on "Models & Toys" and scroll down to "Vector Flexor" (Jitterbug). I think it is what you are looking for. Bucky made his out of 1/4" wooden dowels and surgical tubing. The book 'Bucky for Beginners' has a nice section on how to build & manipulate a Jitterbug (Activity 16); see BFI Catalog under "Books". ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael T Grofsorean" To: "Joe S. Moore" Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: Looking for a model Fuller used Dear Mr. Moore, About 25 years ago, I had the good fortune of recording a lecture given by Buckminster Fuller at Oakland University in Rochester, Michigan. During his talk, he used a model to demonstrate principles concerning triangles and other structures. It consisted of flexible rubber joints into which he could insert small sticks. I'm interested in getting a copy of this model for several purposes, including having my son use it for a science demonstration project for his third grade class. I have a copy of the "Geo Twister" made by DaMert Company, which has the elements I want, but the joints don't appear to be of the quality Fuller used. Using the internet, I've been, thus far, unable to find Fuller's old Philadelphia office which I'm assuming has long since closed. I found your web site as well as the Buckminster Fuller Institute in California. Can you offer me some direction? And thank you for your site. It led me to Amy Edmondson's book online which I've begun reading. Sincerely yours, Michael Grofsorean 734.668.1526 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:50:01 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: physical significance of " i "(sq rt of -1) Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed yeesh; owing to Jim Ferry's ideas of "havingness," I can see where the use of "minus I" is not so hot. thus saith: --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:45:58 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: physical significance of " i "(sq rt of -1) Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the electrician's complex amplitude can be seen as a projection of the electronic wave-form -- as in the ocsilloscope -- as it courses through the waveguide (wire); its inefficiency as a waveguide is that most of the action is on the surface of the wire, because of inter-electron repulsion (seeing the flow as particulate .-) I wasn't aware of anyone referring to the second-root of minus-one as just "-1," but only as "-i." thus qutoh: significance of 1 is. And of -1, and 1/2. thus quoth: Argand proposed: Since multiplying by -1 is rotation through 180 degrees, then multiplying by i can be visualized as rotation through 90 thus quoth: It's just the complex number (0,1) and one of the two square roots of the complex number (-1,0) which we casually (but erroneously) call "-1." thus quoth: James Ferry, UIUC/CSAR, `` A Fast Eulerian Method for Particle-Laden Flows'', CSAR Noon Seminar, 12:00, Wednesday, March 8, 2000, 2240 DCL. Ken.Pledger@vuw.ac.nz (Ken Pledger) wrote in message news:... > You may like the rather old little book by W.W. Sawyer, >"Mathematician's Delight." Its last chapter is a good elementary approach >to complex numbers, including a short section "Complex Numbers and >Electricians." --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:57:44 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: physical significance of " i "(sq rt of -1) Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I become alternately angered & amuzed, when I wonder if the answer was derived with the help of an electronic symbolic equation-thingy (isomorphizer?). is the original thing, to reduce the consequence of applying "factorial," iteratively, to a simple factorial equation? at least, I got *that* off of my chest. "r.e.s." wrote in message news:... > > > First, let f(m) = m!!!! (damn notation), the 4-multifactorial. > > > In other words, f(m) = > > > > > > product{k=1 to floor((m+3)/4)} (m + 4 - 4*k) > > > Let a(m) = > > > (-1)^(m+1) * (8*m^2 +1) f(2m-3)^2 /(m 2 f(2m-1)^2) > > > > Evaluate the continued fraction: > > > > a(1) + 1/(a(2) + 1/(a(3) + 1/(a(4) +........))) > > Solution: > > The continued fraction equals: > > > > 2/(4 -pi) > >How does one prove that? --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 01:04:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: physical significance of " i "(sq rt of -1) Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed for a detailed dysproof of the "mystaque," see _S_, if you really want to (this might be a "golden aide" to learning how to prove a theorem, for some, solitary, impossible-to-imagine person ... not like me, though. QncyMI@netscape.net (Brian Quincy Hutchings) wrote in message news:... >or some thing, held exactly 5 tetrahedral volumes >of liquid. no; it was the sphere, itself, and >it was fairly dang close !-) --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 01:26:48 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: physical significance of " i "(sq rt of -1) Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed this "multiverse" stuff is what I refer to as "QBS." I cracked into Deutsch's recent book, and it was rather funny what he does with Solipsism, although I thought, it might be avoided (at any or some cost !-) of course, there *is* a sense in which solipsism is the absolute truth, which I refer to as, the rectal dysplay unit. Rick Sobie wrote in message news:... >Same thing. Whats done, is done. (Unless the entire universe, >is spun back. Possible in pantheism -deja vu) > >However, if you travel back, you are visiting previous time-lines and world >lines which are in and of themselves, vibrations, >as part of the universe as a whole. > >You merely blend in with that time. -A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 01:34:57 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: physical significance of " i "(sq rt of -1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed what is the meaining of the comma in cos(what, ever) ?? "Ignacio Larrosa Ca estro" wrote in message news:... >cos(b(i+1), b(i+2)) = (b(i+1)^2 + b(i+2)^2 -b(i)^2)/(2*b(i+1)b(i+2)) -A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:19:48 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Foerd Ames Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yesterday, I finally constructed Design Science Toys "The Globe Project"- twenty precut paperboard pieces with excellent satellite generated earth surface imagery. Near completion, it dawned on me that the predominant icosahedral grid was skewed from RBF's original 1939 Dymaxion Sky/Ocean World layout and so I cannot neatly use it with prior data. I called Design Science Toys and did not receive adequate reason for the schism. It was brought to my attention that a designer/consultant was used for the project and, alas, when I looked in The Globe Project book, acknowledgment is made to Joe Moore. So, I guess I'm directing my inquiry to you, Joe. Why was RBF's original grid changed? When I wrote Bucky and asked whether I could change it for a mapping project I was (and am) doing, he essentially stated that virtues of one world island and one world ocean would be lost (see www.owec.com> OWEB Map> click R. Buckminster Fuller underline link). Foerd Ames Ocean Wave Energy Company 20 Burnside Street Bristol, RI 02809 USA email: foerd@owec.com web site: www.owec.com voice and fax: 401-253-4488 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:31:16 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Foerd Ames >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:19:48 -0500 Dear Foerd, once in this list I asked if the next three cities (Paraná, Entre Ríos, Argentina; Tampico, Tamaulipas, México; and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) could be considered within a Fuller's great circle (or should I say: a "Fuller's great circle concept"). The result was varied, but this message of yours makes me believe that nobody had a map, actually. Maybe I am not wrong while thinking that maybe it is not so important to know what are the means to get the final or intermediate goals (as a matter of fact, Fuller did not spare --very Emersonianlly?-- words when he felt that "metsaphysics" was the subject) as knowing what are the goals. And, this concept: "one island" (something that Bucky would not spare, as far as I understand from your message) seems to be an obligatory precondition. What sense would it make to have the "space era" housing, cropping, transportation, medicine, if you are not sure that you are on the way to the final goals?. Maybe the concept "totalization" was the source of many disputes, but it was identified as a megatrend before the disputes. Maybe "globalization" could be a lighter term, but in the end, both terms mean "one island" (and one people within it). I guess there must be a balance (maybe T. de Chardin's --or whoever, who cares-- one unified science: "science of man"). And certainly, the map is a beautiful metaphor (and a tool, for a painful few). thanks for your message Gerardo García Tampico, México >Yesterday, I finally constructed Design Science Toys "The Globe Project"- >twenty precut paperboard pieces with excellent satellite generated earth >surface imagery. Near completion, it dawned on me that the predominant >icosahedral grid was skewed from RBF's original 1939 Dymaxion Sky/Ocean >World layout and so I cannot neatly use it with prior data. I called Design >Science Toys and did not receive adequate reason for the schism. It was >brought to my attention that a designer/consultant was used for the project >and, alas, when I looked in The Globe Project book, acknowledgment is made >to Joe Moore. So, I guess I'm directing my inquiry to you, Joe. Why was >RBF's original grid changed? When I wrote Bucky and asked whether I could >change it for a mapping project I was (and am) doing, he essentially stated >that virtues of one world island and one world ocean would be lost (see >www.owec.com> OWEB Map> click R. Buckminster Fuller underline link). > >Foerd Ames > >Ocean Wave Energy Company >20 Burnside Street >Bristol, RI 02809 USA > >email: foerd@owec.com >web site: www.owec.com >voice and fax: 401-253-4488 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:09:10 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Foerd Ames Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gerardo, Your discussion is interesting but my inquiry is pragmatic. Several (dare I say all) prior publications of the Dymaxion Map adhered to the RBF icosahedral overlay orientation with respect to land mass. I don't argue that the grid may be relatively rotated any which way, I happen to agree with RBF's final selection with regard to easily creating one world island and one world ocean, but my little problem is trying to make prior imagery of an Ocean Wave Energy Web, OWEB, conform to The Globe Project orienation. It seems to me that the default orientation should have explicable reason for straying from all the prior RBF map iterations. It is a fine map/globe, otherwise, with nicely detailed surface imagery. Foerd Ames Ocean Wave Energy Company 20 Burnside Street Bristol, RI 02809 USA email: foerd@owec.com web site: www.owec.com voice and fax: 401-253-4488 -----Original Message----- From: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works [mailto:GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Gerardo Garcia Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:31 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth >From: Foerd Ames >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:19:48 -0500 Dear Foerd, once in this list I asked if the next three cities (Paraná, Entre Ríos, Argentina; Tampico, Tamaulipas, México; and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) could be considered within a Fuller's great circle (or should I say: a "Fuller's great circle concept"). The result was varied, but this message of yours makes me believe that nobody had a map, actually. Maybe I am not wrong while thinking that maybe it is not so important to know what are the means to get the final or intermediate goals (as a matter of fact, Fuller did not spare --very Emersonianlly?-- words when he felt that "metsaphysics" was the subject) as knowing what are the goals. And, this concept: "one island" (something that Bucky would not spare, as far as I understand from your message) seems to be an obligatory precondition. What sense would it make to have the "space era" housing, cropping, transportation, medicine, if you are not sure that you are on the way to the final goals?. Maybe the concept "totalization" was the source of many disputes, but it was identified as a megatrend before the disputes. Maybe "globalization" could be a lighter term, but in the end, both terms mean "one island" (and one people within it). I guess there must be a balance (maybe T. de Chardin's --or whoever, who cares-- one unified science: "science of man"). And certainly, the map is a beautiful metaphor (and a tool, for a painful few). thanks for your message Gerardo García Tampico, México ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:44:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Foerd Ames >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:09:10 -0500 Foerd, I remember Fuller's words about climate,and about defense strategies in WWII ("the coldest weather was found going east, not north", "the shortest way to go and bomb Germany, through the north pole"). I do not understand geometrics a lot, but couldn´t a single map serve for every use: geopolitics, climate, world ocean wave behavior? best regards Gerardo García Tampico, México > >Gerardo, > >Your discussion is interesting but my inquiry is pragmatic. Several (dare I >say all) prior publications of the Dymaxion Map adhered to the RBF >icosahedral overlay orientation with respect to land mass. I don't argue >that the grid may be relatively rotated any which way, I happen to agree >with RBF's final selection with regard to easily creating one world island >and one world ocean, but my little problem is trying to make prior imagery >of an Ocean Wave Energy Web, OWEB, conform to The Globe Project orienation. >It seems to me that the default orientation should have explicable reason >for straying from all the prior RBF map iterations. It is a fine map/globe, >otherwise, with nicely detailed surface imagery. > >Foerd Ames > >Ocean Wave Energy Company >20 Burnside Street >Bristol, RI 02809 USA > >email: foerd@owec.com >web site: www.owec.com >voice and fax: 401-253-4488 > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:48:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: map(was-Re: Largest Domes on Earth) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know if Hershel's map was posted here yet. The same thing can be done using the dymaxion projection vertexes. I have to get a flexible globe and start cutting. http://www.geocities.com/kruste_klown/Map/mobe.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:19:11 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My father was a weather observer in WW2 in Greenland. As a boy,15 years=20 later,I had difficulty understanding why they put him there. Gerardo Garcia wrote: >> From: Foerd Ames >> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >> >> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth >> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:09:10 -0500 >=20 >=20 > Foerd, >=20 > I remember Fuller's words about climate,and about defense strategies in= WWII > ("the coldest weather was found going east, not north", "the shortest w= ay to > go and bomb Germany, through the north pole"). I do not understand > geometrics a lot, but couldn=B4t a single map serve for every use: > geopolitics, climate, world ocean wave behavior? >=20 > best regards >=20 > Gerardo Garc=EDa > Tampico, M=E9xico >=20 >=20 >> >> Gerardo, >> >> Your discussion is interesting but my inquiry is pragmatic. Several=20 >> (dare I >> say all) prior publications of the Dymaxion Map adhered to the RBF >> icosahedral overlay orientation with respect to land mass. I don't arg= ue >> that the grid may be relatively rotated any which way, I happen to agr= ee >> with RBF's final selection with regard to easily creating one world is= land >> and one world ocean, but my little problem is trying to make prior ima= gery >> of an Ocean Wave Energy Web, OWEB, conform to The Globe Project=20 >> orienation. >> It seems to me that the default orientation should have explicable rea= son >> for straying from all the prior RBF map iterations. It is a fine=20 >> map/globe, >> otherwise, with nicely detailed surface imagery. >> >> Foerd Ames >> >> Ocean Wave Energy Company >> 20 Burnside Street >> Bristol, RI 02809 USA >> >> email: foerd@owec.com >> web site: www.owec.com >> voice and fax: 401-253-4488 >> >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/featuredemail >=20 --=20 Formactive: http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:54:23 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mobe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I also believe in meridians, every 72 degrees; yeeha! thus quoth: I think you have no choice, if you want to stay geo-consistent with a coordinate system. Thus, an icosahedron is drawn tangent around earth with a pair of opposite apexes aligned with the North nad South poles. (period.) You don't get to adjust for aesthetics except by fused rotation of the icosa's two five-vertex "waists," from which, you get 36 regular degrees per vertex, 10 major divisions of longitude (decimal degrees?). Rotate the icosa on its and earth's poles until you see a 'best fit' that aesthetically pleases you or has other redeeming virtues, and Bingo! there you are. Project sphere to icosa; cut along the 'projected' dotted lines (icosa edges). "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:58:44 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mobe Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed strictly speaking it's not a map, but an attempt at humor; and it's a good thing that Bucky is POST-humous. thus quoth: I don't know if Hershel's map was posted here yet. The same thing can be done using the dymaxion projection vertexes. I have to get a flexible globe and start cutting. http://www.geocities.com/kruste_klown/Map/mobe.html "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 21:28:55 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Foerd, What!!! I have nooo idea what they are talking about. No one has ever asked me to consult on anything. I sure would like to see a copy of The Globe Project Book. I have never been involved with the Globe Project people. Besides, I would never change the way Bucky set up his Projection. I don't think anyone could do any better. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foerd Ames" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth > Yesterday, I finally constructed Design Science Toys "The Globe Project"- > twenty precut paperboard pieces with excellent satellite generated earth > surface imagery. Near completion, it dawned on me that the predominant > icosahedral grid was skewed from RBF's original 1939 Dymaxion Sky/Ocean > World layout and so I cannot neatly use it with prior data. I called Design > Science Toys and did not receive adequate reason for the schism. It was > brought to my attention that a designer/consultant was used for the project > and, alas, when I looked in The Globe Project book, acknowledgment is made > to Joe Moore. So, I guess I'm directing my inquiry to you, Joe. Why was > RBF's original grid changed? When I wrote Bucky and asked whether I could > change it for a mapping project I was (and am) doing, he essentially stated > that virtues of one world island and one world ocean would be lost (see > www.owec.com> OWEB Map> click R. Buckminster Fuller underline link). > > Foerd Ames > > Ocean Wave Energy Company > 20 Burnside Street > Bristol, RI 02809 USA > > email: foerd@owec.com > web site: www.owec.com > voice and fax: 401-253-4488 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 04:38:54 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Heisenberg's Gamma-ray Photon Microscope Analog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed does anyone know what a "standard magnetic tetrahedron" is? thus quoth: IV. Procedure: (Allow a minimum of 30 minutes for exploration.) 1. Place the sheet of paper on a flat desk or table top. 2. Place the base magnet on the paper, near one end. 3. Place a magnetic tetrahedron so that one vertex repulses above the base magnet. (Best to use an N2S2 isomer.) 4. Trace the outline of the base magnet and mark the two points where the magnetic tetrahedron makes contact with the paper. 5. Write the word, "electron" on the paper signifying that the base magnet, the gap, the magnetic tetrahedron, the paper, desktop and the entire support system, collectively, is "the electron". 6. Adjust the handheld probe magnet so that it is repulses the top vertex of "electron". 7. Mentally label the handheld probe as "the gamma-ray photon". 8. Bring the gamma-ray photon in proximity to the electron at a variety of speeds and from various angles. 9. Record all visual, auditory, and tactile observations. When the system changes state, place a mark on the paper where the third vertex lands and make a note of the sound made during the shift. Reposition the electron to a dynamically balanced state. 10. Give all elements in the analog model one-half spin; re-position and repeat the exercises. 11. Split into pairs and have one person repeat exercises with eyes closed while the other person records what the person reports as having happened. --A HYDROGEN (sic; cracked methane) ECONOMY?... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 25 -- THYROID STORM "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 21:48:42 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Foerd, According to Design Science Toy's webpage http://www.dstoys.com/products/DesignScienceToys/GP Stuart Quimby and Cary Kittner were the designers of the Globe Project globe. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foerd Ames" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth > Yesterday, I finally constructed Design Science Toys "The Globe Project"- > twenty precut paperboard pieces with excellent satellite generated earth > surface imagery. Near completion, it dawned on me that the predominant > icosahedral grid was skewed from RBF's original 1939 Dymaxion Sky/Ocean > World layout and so I cannot neatly use it with prior data. I called Design > Science Toys and did not receive adequate reason for the schism. It was > brought to my attention that a designer/consultant was used for the project > and, alas, when I looked in The Globe Project book, acknowledgment is made > to Joe Moore. So, I guess I'm directing my inquiry to you, Joe. Why was > RBF's original grid changed? When I wrote Bucky and asked whether I could > change it for a mapping project I was (and am) doing, he essentially stated > that virtues of one world island and one world ocean would be lost (see > www.owec.com> OWEB Map> click R. Buckminster Fuller underline link). > > Foerd Ames > > Ocean Wave Energy Company > 20 Burnside Street > Bristol, RI 02809 USA > > email: foerd@owec.com > web site: www.owec.com > voice and fax: 401-253-4488 > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:49:15 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: anybody sees a face? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed in http://www.solwaygallery.com/Pages/closepack.html it would cost 20,000 to start a cult Gerardo García Tampico, México _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:04:01 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl In-Reply-To: <148.65e052a.2b4247d9@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Yo marco,=20 Pancho heyre. I been thinkin about This quincy cubed dude. Who in the world, besides ex cia ex fbi etc have enough time to compose (huh?) as many email diatribes a= s this guy? Could he be a plant? Wallflower maybe. lO que sea. molleja El 31/12/02 03:07, "Mark Stehly" escribi=F3: > Yo, Quince Man!! >=20 > Not so fast there you hit N' run poet. Howzziss for apocalyptic eviden= ce > vis a vis Chernobyl? > HREF=3D"http://www.ratical.org/radiation/overviews.html#CHOR">http://www.ra= tical > .org/radiation/overviews.html#CHOR > HREF=3D"http://www.ratical.org/radiation/">http://www.ratical.org/radiation= / > Scroll down to # 8 to see specific Chernobyl links & be prepared to > peruse further after linking to both scientific and science/philosophy > papers. > Bring a lite beer or 2 to balance, seein it's heavy(water) readin'. >=20 > Since the rest of the Ratical page on nuclear power is not in agreemen= t > with yur favorite common-tator (the very Intell LL), perhaps we can open = up > the board for some point/counterpoint regarding this most important of > subjects. > Invite some of the scientists involved in the opposing publications t= o > debate club on Bucky forum? >=20 > As for the "Cannitt 'appen 'ere, mate?" nuclear question, allow > yourselves a brief review of these pages HREF=3D"http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id2165/pg5/"> > http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id2165/pg5/ > and HREF=3D"http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id2165/pg2/">http://www.disinf= o.com > /pages/article/id2165/pg2/ >=20 > N' Quincy, about yur fixation on this LL kkkaracter.....very Intell 'di= s > Lyndon LaRouche....though one must look through & past his mixed nuts > history... > N' a 1 HREF=3D"http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclc1.html">http://www.publiceye.= org/l > arouche/nclc1.html > N' a 2 HREF=3D"http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclc2.html">http://www.publiceye.= org/l > arouche/nclc2.html > N' a 3 HREF=3D"http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclc3.html">http://www.publiceye.= org/l > arouche/nclc3.html >=20 > Lyndon LaRouche aka Mitch Miller on ONI political steroids with an intell > feeding toob. >=20 > N' don' it make you jus' quivah all ovah, Quincy; when Rush Dumbo quotes > LL's science magazine? HREF=3D"http://www.fair.org/press-releases/limbaugh-debates-reality.html"> > http://www.fair.org/press-releases/limbaugh-debates-reality.html > On 1 of your favorite dis's, yet....global warming...Volcano, indeed!? >=20 > Q. May I add yet one more serious question for the advocate of the > elderly memory box, with aforementioned attached feeding toob, LL? > A. Yes, I may... Awrighty then... > I have a copy of his usefull book, Dope, Inc. where he points out the lon= g > history of secret governments, organised crime, local crime and foreign > agents who have inevitably shown up at any prohibition (shoot, do ya figu= re > they "lobbied" for the damn thangs *prohibitions* wherever & whenever the= y've > arisen). > Adding LL's Dope, Inc to the list of 40 or more good to excellant > books detailing prohibitions' history of inevitable submission to subvers= ion > by both profitering friend & foe alike. Peter Dale Scott's site for 1 > example: > HREF=3D"http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/index.html">http://socrates.b= erkel > ey.edu/~pdscott/index.html > Yet, inexplicably the would be world fixer LL suggests that he can > direct a successfull prohibition. Nothing like rebooting a millennial+++ > loser like prohibitions. > Methinks nada.....details upon request. > Q. Iahm feelin' soz good, I'm gonna venture one more query, if I may? > A. Indeed I shall > I remember a serious blurb from tho' (Quincy) concerning hemp lies (in > reference to it's usefullness) and offer you, in retort, a picture refere= nce > to Henry Ford's hemp car (Drug War - Dan Russell, pg. 154) & verbal > description of parts made from hemp....body panels, glass, seats, dash, > steering wheel, and as Rudolph Diesel intended, capable of running on the > 1,000 gallon per acre hemp oil. > I raise you 1 Ratical.org page, listing hemps other uses : > HREF=3D"http://www.ratical.org/renewables/">http://www.ratical.org/renewabl= es/ A> > A plant that can conceivably feed, clothe, house (& more) the world in > 1-5 years is nuttin to be misinformed about - eh? Canadian humor there. > Your comments please, oh wise(ass) one. Convert me if tho' canst, oh > squire. >=20 > El Marko ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:39:42 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Hey Joe, could we talk on the phone? Comments: To: Leifur Thor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leifur, Go to Bibliofind http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/books/misc/bibliofind.html/102-88440 80-6381722 click on any word, type in buckminster or geodesic, and then click on "Go". You should find tons of used books by or about Buckminster Fuller and/or geodesic domes. They have 7 copies of Education Automation. Or go to Alibris http://www.alibris.com/ and do the same thing. I've bought quite a few used Bucky books in the last year or so. Try Half.com also http://half.ebay.com/products/books/index.cfm Or Abebooks http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookSearch Shop around for the lowest price. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leifur Thor" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: Re: Hey Joe > (snip) > I'd love to get my hands on all of his other books like the one you > mentioned, yet their all out of print! Arg... > (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:58:16 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: super ellipse Comments: To: mail@biagiodicarlo.com Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Biagio, See the website of John Rich http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~jw.rich/people.htm He specializes in elliptical domes. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 11:07 PM Subject: super ellipse > I am interested in making the model of the super ellipse reported in > SHELTER , page 126. Please have someone more details about peel pattern > ? There is online the article from sept ( 63 or 65) issue of > SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN ? > > Grazie, Biagio Di Carlo. > -- > biagio di carlo > via berlino 2, villa raspa, spoltore. > 65010 PESCARA, Italy. +085 411588 > http://www.biagiodicarlo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:10:10 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Geodesic Math and How to Use It Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geodesic Math & How to Use It available at AllBookstores.com for $25!!! http://www.allbookstores.com/book/0520029240 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:48:21 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Foerd Ames Subject: map(was-Re: Largest Domes on Earth) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Joe, Thanks for the info. I doubt they'll change the presses... too bad. Foerd Ames Ocean Wave Energy Company 20 Burnside Street Bristol, RI 02809 USA email: foerd@owec.com web site: www.owec.com voice and fax: 401-253-4488 -----Original Message----- From: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works [mailto:GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Joe S Moore Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:49 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Largest Domes on Earth Foerd, According to Design Science Toy's webpage http://www.dstoys.com/products/DesignScienceToys/GP Stuart Quimby and Cary Kittner were the designers of the Globe Project globe. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:04:21 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable LOL!!! > From: Frank > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:04:01 +0100 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl >=20 > Yo marco,=20 >=20 > Pancho heyre. >=20 > I been thinkin about This quincy cubed dude. Who in the world, besides e= x > cia ex fbi etc have enough time to compose (huh?) as many email diatribes= as > this guy? Could he be a plant? Wallflower maybe. >=20 > lO que sea. >=20 > molleja >=20 > El 31/12/02 03:07, "Mark Stehly" escribi=F3: >=20 >> Yo, Quince Man!! >>=20 >> Not so fast there you hit N' run poet. Howzziss for apocalyptic evidence >> vis a vis Chernobyl? >> >=20 HREF=3D"http://www.ratical.org/radiation/overviews.html#CHOR">http://www.rati= c a>> l >> .org/radiation/overviews.html#CHOR >> >=20 HREF=3D"http://www.ratical.org/radiation/">http://www.ratical.org/radiation/<= / A>> > >> Scroll down to # 8 to see specific Chernobyl links & be prepared to >> peruse further after linking to both scientific and science/philosophy >> papers. >> Bring a lite beer or 2 to balance, seein it's heavy(water) readin'. >>=20 >> Since the rest of the Ratical page on nuclear power is not in agreement >> with yur favorite common-tator (the very Intell LL), perhaps we can open= up >> the board for some point/counterpoint regarding this most important of >> subjects. >> Invite some of the scientists involved in the opposing publications to >> debate club on Bucky forum? >>=20 >> As for the "Cannitt 'appen 'ere, mate?" nuclear question, allow >> yourselves a brief review of these pages > HREF=3D"http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id2165/pg5/"> >> http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id2165/pg5/ >> and >=20 HREF=3D"http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id2165/pg2/">http://www.disinfo.= c o>> m >> /pages/article/id2165/pg2/ >>=20 >> N' Quincy, about yur fixation on this LL kkkaracter.....very Intell 'dis >> Lyndon LaRouche....though one must look through & past his mixed nuts >> history... >> N' a 1 >=20 HREF=3D"http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclc1.html">http://www.publiceye.or= g />> l >> arouche/nclc1.html >> N' a 2 >=20 HREF=3D"http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclc2.html">http://www.publiceye.or= g />> l >> arouche/nclc2.html >> N' a 3 >=20 HREF=3D"http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclc3.html">http://www.publiceye.or= g />> l >> arouche/nclc3.html >>=20 >> Lyndon LaRouche aka Mitch Miller on ONI political steroids with an intel= l >> feeding toob. >>=20 >> N' don' it make you jus' quivah all ovah, Quincy; when Rush Dumbo quotes >> LL's science magazine? > HREF=3D"http://www.fair.org/press-releases/limbaugh-debates-reality.html"> >> http://www.fair.org/press-releases/limbaugh-debates-reality.html >> On 1 of your favorite dis's, yet....global warming...Volcano, indeed!? >>=20 >> Q. May I add yet one more serious question for the advocate of the >> elderly memory box, with aforementioned attached feeding toob, LL? >> A. Yes, I may... Awrighty then... >> I have a copy of his usefull book, Dope, Inc. where he points out the lo= ng >> history of secret governments, organised crime, local crime and foreign >> agents who have inevitably shown up at any prohibition (shoot, do ya fig= ure >> they "lobbied" for the damn thangs *prohibitions* wherever & whenever th= ey've >> arisen). >> Adding LL's Dope, Inc to the list of 40 or more good to excellant >> books detailing prohibitions' history of inevitable submission to subver= sion >> by both profitering friend & foe alike. Peter Dale Scott's site for 1 >> example: >> >=20 HREF=3D"http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/index.html">http://socrates.ber= k e>> l >> ey.edu/~pdscott/index.html >> Yet, inexplicably the would be world fixer LL suggests that he can >> direct a successfull prohibition. Nothing like rebooting a millennial+++ >> loser like prohibitions. >> Methinks nada.....details upon request. >> Q. Iahm feelin' soz good, I'm gonna venture one more query, if I may? >> A. Indeed I shall >> I remember a serious blurb from tho' (Quincy) concerning hemp lies (in >> reference to it's usefullness) and offer you, in retort, a picture refer= ence >> to Henry Ford's hemp car (Drug War - Dan Russell, pg. 154) & verbal >> description of parts made from hemp....body panels, glass, seats, dash, >> steering wheel, and as Rudolph Diesel intended, capable of running on th= e >> 1,000 gallon per acre hemp oil. >> I raise you 1 Ratical.org page, listing hemps other uses : >> >=20 HREF=3D"http://www.ratical.org/renewables/">http://www.ratical.org/renewables= / <>> / >> A> >> A plant that can conceivably feed, clothe, house (& more) the world in >> 1-5 years is nuttin to be misinformed about - eh? Canadian humor there. >> Your comments please, oh wise(ass) one. Convert me if tho' canst, oh >> squire. >>=20 >> El Marko ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 20:13:05 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pancho, Greetings dear friend and a gentleman's bow returned to you No need to play Japanese see-saw tho' http://Narconews.com/ & http://anncol.com/ real news for the "other"=20 Americas Viva Chavez! Viva Lula! Viva Lucio! Yes, indeed Pancho, I share the same misgivings 'bout LL N' Q quit= e=20 capable of pointing out some of Rocky(feller)'s excesses in societal=20 manipulations, yet suspiciously bereft of investigative accuracy when it=20 comes to some of the largest societal affronts via Rocky Bull-winks. Once again the list, with references for your respected perusal &=20 subsequent undictatated conclusions. Nuclear 1. Please do read the UNSCEAR 2000 (UnScare) and tell me=20 truly if nuclear still sounds like a "good risk". Much of it's content tends= =20 to reinforce the side that expresses caution and/or alarm. 2. Add to that just how close we've come here http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id2165/pg1 Take note that at the bottom of the page is the next pag= e=20 click (7 N all) A terrifying & quick read. =20 3. Check the tab on these where we have goofed http://downwinders.o= rg/ and http://downwinders.com/<= /A>=20 A treasure trove of articles by acknowledged experts. 4. http://www.= ratical.org/radiation/ nor are the=20 credentials lacking here And after that, compare to a pyrolethic converter found about 1/10t= h=20 down the page here http://www.he= mpforus.com/17.htm . Energy independance in 2=20 years with no nuclear fears. ( http://fornits.com/curiosity/hemp/biomassa.htm=20 is the correction for the link at the top of that page). http://www.crrh.org/cannabis/biodiesel.html=20 =20 A reminder on page 154 of Dan Russel's indispensable "Drug War" is=20= a=20 pic of Henry Ford and his "car from the ground"; body panels, glass, seats,=20 dash N' more made from hemp fibers/resins. Ford of Europe & Mercedes are=20 currently developing new hemp plastics for their autos. The first 40,000 landmark Model T's ran on hemp fuel and for the=20 first 35 years Rudolph Diesel's namesake ran on veggie fuels *primarily=20 hemp*. Kansas City & St. Louis airport run a majority of their service=20 vehicles on veggie fuels and just last year a gentleman drove across the=20 contiguous 48 using hemp fuel. I can go to the internet and order hemp clothing, plastic products,=20 etc., ....the list is literally exhausting. "Peace porridge hot, peace porridge cold, peace porridge in the pot 9 days old" is a ditty honoring the hemp=20 plant for saving Russia from starvation. 1. All 18 Amino Acids in perfect proportion (protein). 2. Udo Erasamus, considered to be the world's leading expert on oil= s=20 for the body is quoted that hemp is the perfect source of Omega 3 fatty acid= s=20 (N' no fish breath) 3. Adequate chloryphyl & fiber essentially a perfect food plant.=20 =20 One of the essentials for the setting up for the foreclosure of the=20 family farms in the Midwest was the elimination of the Hemp plant, as it had= =20 so many market outlets for the farmer. Combine your hemp knowledge with a=20 book by Lindsey Williams "Syndrome of Control" where he documents the bell=20 curve financial tricks, allowing for the foreclosure of a percentage of farm= s=20 each year by knowledge of the farmers profit margins. Manipulation of the prices of materials, interest rates, and taxes,=20 mixed with the control of the markets by the same cartels are how we ended u= p=20 with 3 mega companies owning the largest farms. Elimination of the hemp plan= t=20 was & is a major factor. Essential reading for global warming bashers: http://www.google.com/custom?q=3Dglobal+warming&sa=3DSea= rch& cof=3DLW%3A113%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.ratical.org%2Fimages%2Frathaus2.gif%3B= LH%3 A107%3BAH%3Aleft%3BAWFID%3A0e8ebe91783b2eb0%3B&domains=3Dratical.org& sitesearch=3Dratical.org Volcano's indeed ?!? "Chlorine from natural sources is soluble, and so it gets rained out of the=20 lower atmosphere," the journal Science explained (6/11/93). "CFCs, in=20 contrast, are insoluble and inert and thus make it to the stratosphere to=20 release their chlorine." Science also noted that chlorine found in the=20 stratosphere-- where it can eat away at Earth's protective ozone layer--is=20 always found with other byproducts of CFCs, and not with the byproducts of=20 natural chlorine sources. "Ozone depletion is real, as certain as=A0Neil=20 Armstrong's landing on the moon,"=A0Dr. Sherwood Rowland, an atmospheric=20 chemist at the=A0University of California at Irvine, told Extra!. "Natural=20 causes of ozone depletion are not significant."=20 Now let's see, LL & Q are championing an energy source with a 30,000=20 year lethal residue that requires flawless storage, covering the CFC=20 producers butts with a tired argument on a subject that could terminate life= =20 for many or all on the planet, and in denial about one major source of energ= y=20 that can remedy both. Do I have that straight? Q, I just dunked, snuffed, and dunked again in ya face. It'd be a=20 funny clever line a little longer if humanities future didn't ride on it. So Q, where's your one & only Hemp question, that supposedly scared Jack=20 Herer?=20 =20 I'll take it right now. As I said before. Not later....now. Don't tell me about a paper you read that's a "scathing report" on=20 hemp, give me (& the others) a link or place to look it up for ourselves.=20 Considering the hemp facts I've laid out and referenced above (& done=20 before), your due. Considering the ramifications of the subject matter were talking here,=20 yur overdue. Bucky would expect nothing less from the members of this board than to=20 make this a part of this years quest for sorting out the truth. Control of=20 this board may be one of Intell's goals, as you are looked to conciously &=20 unconciously by your associates, acquaintances, friends and family as=20 accurate sources of information. A ripple effect, if you will, with many tributaries. Keeping you seperated from the truth also prevents you from functioning=20 optimally. =20 That has it's importance in subtle physics and sacred mathematics (gematria)= . I'll answer Quincy-y's question on the importance of pyramidmatrix.com and=20 the math there on my next post.=20 The Eagles are on & it's time to watch grown men, trained to the peak of=20 their physical ability run into one another. =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:17:58 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Amazon.com Books Geodesic Math and How to Use It Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geodesic Math & How to Use It available at Amazon.com for $88 = http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520029240/qid=3D1042352502= /sr=3D1-25/ref=3Dsr_1_25/102-8844080-6381722?v=3Dglance&s=3Dbooks =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:16:41 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Mark Stehly >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl >Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 20:13:05 EST Please allow me to quote Brian: "this is a family list". It is a surprise that an AOL account holder backs Lula, etc. > Viva Chavez! Viva Lula! Viva Lucio! I think that much of the anti-Chávez feelings are racist, but please have some consideration towards a middle class used to go to Miami every vacation and a country electing a Miss Universe every third year. I don`t know about Lucio. I like Lula, but reading Frei Betto stealing JFK`s "don't ask what your country can do for you .....", puts me directly back to the Clinton's reelection illegal campaign funds senate hearings: Confucio's "love is born from generosity". I prefer no great leaders, even the size of Vaclav Havel (nobody is praying for a Gandhi anymore.... maybe a Gandhi with a Havel velvent nation splitting technology) I do not even understand myself, but, from your message Mark: ok, we legalize drugs; what is then going to happen to the people that depend economically on them? are they known for giving up without a fight? do they care about sinergy or a clean fight, if they are going to be the losers in a legalizing war? are they going to be considered under a disabilities act? Maybe from Mérida (with the boshitos and literary bombas) you can tell us how much would it cost to grant a millionaire life grant for all people related with drug dealing (something Fuller wanted for everybody) I would not complain about Quincy. If not for him you would not have to maintain your e-mail account, and this list would be less alive. Gerardo García Tampico, México _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:07:41 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Hey Joe, could we talk on the phone? In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Joe, you rock. I'm out the door for now, but will look this up in the next day or two. Thanks again! Leifur > From: Joe S Moore > Organization: (Retired) > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:39:42 -0700 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Hey Joe, could we talk on the phone? > > Leifur, > > Go to Bibliofind > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/books/misc/bibliofind.html/102-88440 > 80-6381722 > click on any word, type in buckminster or geodesic, and then click on "Go". > You should find tons of used books by or about Buckminster Fuller and/or > geodesic domes. They have 7 copies of Education Automation. > > Or go to Alibris http://www.alibris.com/ and do the same thing. I've bought > quite a few used Bucky books in the last year or so. > > Try Half.com also http://half.ebay.com/products/books/index.cfm > > Or Abebooks http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookSearch > > Shop around for the lowest price. > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info <========== N E W > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leifur Thor" > To: "Joe S Moore" > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:30 PM > Subject: Re: Hey Joe > > >> (snip) >> I'd love to get my hands on all of his other books like the one you >> mentioned, yet their all out of print! Arg... >> (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:30:59 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gerardo, I'm uncertain what you mean by "this is a family list" Shall I ask you and the pro nuke power Q-bert (Quincy) how the families= =20 of the 400,000 people evacuated from the Chernobyl region feel how this site= =20 supports family? Or how about the Russian (& other) Doctors who have treated the 100%=20 increase in childhood lukemia cases or the 24 fold increase in thyroid=20 cancers? Their families? The victims? If you want to bring liveliness to this board, perhaps I can invite som= e=20 of the Russian Doctors who have had to treat these people for a group=20 discussion over a few days. I've got the contacts, let me know. Or how about the survivors of the 800,000 liquidators, signed up to clea= n=20 up Chernobyl, of whom 13,000 have died? Do their families feel supported by=20 unchallenged pro nuke references? Reference : http://www.adiccp.org/facts/chernobyl-facts.html Now, I admit this next page, picturing some of the children born since=20 Chernobyl, ventures beyond family entertainment (no arms, no legs, etc.). So= =20 be prepared. Tell the kids to go to the next room. http://www.adiccp.o= rg/imagery/abandoned.html=20 How close have we been to that here? I submit (again) http://www.d= isinfo.com/pages/article/id2165/pg1=20 Where have we (USA) goofed and what are the results already? Just 2=20 examples: http://downwinders.com/ & http://downwinders.org/=20 I'll also repost the link to articles from well degreed and=20 internationally acknowledged experts found here http://www.ratical.org/radiation/ The Chernobyl section is not to be mi= ssed,=20 especially for families (in my opinion). All this for a technology that leaves a lethal residue requiring 30,000=20 years of flawless storage. Won't future families be proud of us for not examining all sides of this= =20 argument. (sarcasm, of course) For those of you inbetween books, an in depth critique from a PhD type. http://www.ieer.org/re= ports/npdz.html =20 Then consider absolutely no nuclear power is necessary. http://fornit= s.com/curiosity/hemp/biomassa.htm=20 http://www.hempforus.com/17.= htm & http://www.hem= pforus.com/reseaag5.htm=20 Go back to the top, review the human cost and the lingering legacy of=20 it's accidents and the necessity of it's continued flawless storage for=20 30,000 years while repeating to yourself "none of nuclear is necessary"=20 Instead;=20 "Energy Farming works by installing in every county a pyrolethic converter.=20 (About every fifty miles across the country.) Bio-Mass produces several type= s=20 of fuel, Methanol, Butane, Ethanol, Diesel, and briquettes, (charcoal).=20 Methanol can be burned in motor vehicles, and distributed much like natural=20 gas. Briquettes can be used by industry with furnace facilities.Just imagine= ,=20 the United States could lead the rest of the world in Bio-Mass conversion,=20 using our technology to develop the most effective procedures. The U.S. coul= d=20 be fuel independent in two years. More important, we could lead the countrie= s=20 of the former Soviet Union, those dependent on the sixteen dangerous,=20 outdated, nuclear reactors, responsible for serious radiation contamination=20 upon the planet, to a safe energy farming alternative" The above paragraph is excerpted from the "hemp for us" link above. And to repeat for those of us desiring to ascertain the sophistication of= =20 the pro global warming community this link is offered again : http://www.google.com/custom?q=3Dglobal+warming&sa=3DSe= arch& cof=3DLW%3A113%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.ratical.org%2Fimages%2Frathaus2.gif%3B= LH%3 A107%3BAH%3Aleft%3BAWFID%3A0e8ebe91783b2eb0%3B&domains=3Dratical.org& sitesearch=3Dratical.org To spur your interest in the above, I directly challenge the popular=20 volcano theory often pushed here by Q-bert : =20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Volcano's indeed ?!? "Chlorine from natural sources is soluble, and so it gets rained out of the=20 lower atmosphere," the journal Science explained (6/11/93). "CFCs, in=20 contrast, are insoluble and inert and thus make it to the stratosphere to=20 release their chlorine." Science also noted that chlorine found in the=20 stratosphere-- where it can eat away at Earth's protective ozone layer--is=20 always found with other byproducts of CFCs, and not with the byproducts of=20 natural chlorine sources. "Ozone depletion is real, as certain as=A0Neil=20 Armstrong's landing on the moon,"=A0Dr. Sherwood Rowland, an atmospheric=20 chemist at the=A0University of California at Irvine, told Extra!. "Natural=20 causes of ozone depletion are not significant Is it dangerous to challenge the power brokers of industry and the=20 profiteers of the prohibition?=20 "Is it safe to leave them run the show?" is my reply. In fact, they don't even wait for people to act. They've gone pro=20 active. http://www.boydgraves.com http://www.boydgraves.= com/flowchart/=20 http://www.bo= ydgraves.com/letters/010803.html Whose DNA marker do they insert next? I know Mexicans aren't high on=20 their list of favorites. As for people no longer praying for a Ghandi, perhaps you need to look=20 in your own backyard, Gerardo.. http://www.narconews.com/botey1.html =20 ..Ghandi's, all Prohibition's dangers go beyond the purposely more addictive,=20 inconsistant dosages, dangerous mixes, police state mechanics, corruption,=20 and facilitation of the basest animalistic "top dog" psychologies generated=20 at all levels. Amongst the other dangers are to be included walking around the wrong=20 corner at the wrong time, as this report relates. http://www.maraleveritt.com/botthome.htm That could be you in Tampico, my friend, as I know the Mexican drug gang= s=20 reputation for violence ranks up there with the Russian Mafia, the Triads,=20 the CIA/DEA/SpecOp traitors, or the Yakuza (whose prohibition profits have=20 them controlling the majority *98%* of the California banks), et al. Even on the seemingly mundane level, when drug profiteers buy into=20 legitimate businesses, they inevitably have more interest free available=20 capital to upgrade equipment, sorroundings, etc. Not all prohibition violenc= e=20 is measured at the end of a gun. The honest business person cannot compete. The same people who bring us this prohibition and it's blasphemies, are= =20 the unconscionable souls who are attempting to bring us a war with=20 (currently) Iraq. Cracks in the wall are appearing, opposition is worthwhile and the=20 correct action of a responsible citizenry in the face of governmental=20 tyranny. for war = http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011203_time_poll.html http://www.antiwar= .com/comment/helen.html=20 http:= //www.truthout.org/docs_02/011103A.blair.hold.htm http:/= /www.truthout.org/docs_02/011103B.uk.revolt.htm for prohibitions http://www.drugwar.co= m/phighcourt.shtm http://www.drugw= ar.com/zombieshockwave.shtm =20 Yes, a variant on Bucky's solution is part of what I'd suggest. Your=20 statement about cost infers that society would (once again) have to foot the= =20 bill. I say thee, nay!!! I say sue to free up these funds & if the suit is=20 denied or delayed turn to public referendum. That's part of one potential=20 solution. http://cafr1.com/ & the 3.3 trillion= that the DoD & HUD can't find as=20 chronicled on Catherine Austin Fitts site www.sol= ari.com=20 As far as Q-bert goes, I feel the subject matter and it's listed=20 ramifications are too critical to worry about one person's ego reaction. I=20 feel he has seriously erred and is potentially moving some members of this=20 board into flase flag position, dictated by the powers that be through a=20 supposed rebel politico (Lyndon LaRouche "LL"). If Quincy takes his toys and goes home, I suggest we ask Franklin Thomas= =20 to join us for a month or three, as well as later, Chuck Hoberman, and then=20 later still, a rep from monolithicdome.com (you'll want me in on that). =20 Enuff for now. =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:43:55 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ seeing as we are suppozed to go to war over "oil," or rather electricity & gasoline, please, take the hysteria with a grain of salt, and the mysterious role of the 'WAND' Corp. -- see the fall 2000 *WAND Weview* for the pre-election & very 'ericblarian' exegesis -- in the Administration's strict "yes, we really doo love nuclear" policy ... of "let *The Economist* decide, handily (and invisibly)" ... with no actually stated policy (other than the mothballing of the Hanford Breeder-reactor; not surprized, if you didn't hear about that, though it was in the paper (about page 37 in a Sunday L.A.Times) !-) as for your adduced hysteria & sources, here is a "hit" from a search, which is some guy with his own excerpts, most of which seem totally omninous, til you get to this one, which he seems to have ignored, as to its portent (read through "in the Gomel region"): The report then goes in to molecular biology (again making clear that issues of cellular signaling etc. are the critical factors with no clear association of cancer with specific deletions, etc. The end of the section has 2 paragraphs: ******** (c) Summary 308. There can be no doubt about the relationship between the radioactive materials released from the Chernobyl accident and the unusually high number of thyroid cancers observed in the contaminated areas during the past 14 years. While several uncertainties must be taken into consideration, themain ones being the baseline rates used in the calculations, the influence of screening, and the short follow-up, the number of cases is still higher than anticipated based on previous data. This is probably partly a result of age at exposure, iodine deficiency, genetic predisposition, and uncertainty that surrounds the role of 131I compared with that of short-lived radioiodines. The exposure to short-lived radioiodines is entirely dependent on the distance from the release and themode of exposure, i.e. inhalation or ingestion. It was only in the Gomel region, the area closest to the Chernobyl reactor, that Astakhova et al. [A6] found a significantly increased risk of thyroid cancer. It has been suggested that the geographical distribution of thyroid cancer cases correlates better to the distribution of shorter-lived radioisotopes (e.g. 132I, 133I and135I) than to that of 131I [A7]. 309. The identification of a genomic fingerprint that shows mea culpa, dude, and Hemp for Haemarrhoids (Bogart that poultice, I beg of you !-) thus quoth: 1. Please do read the UNSCEAR 2000 (UnScare) and tell me truly if nuclear still sounds like a "good risk". Much of it's content tends to reinforce the side that expresses caution and/or alarm. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:47:48 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops, I was wrong; this guy appears to be a contrarian, from his comment at the very end of this page; then, I read the side-bar at the top, with his personal experience of thyroid cancer. http://cnts.wpi.edu/rsh/Docs/OtherDocs/UN-Chernobyl/ThyroidCancer.htm http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ seeing as we are suppozed to go to war over "oil," or rather electricity & gasoline, please, take the hysteria with a grain of salt, and the mysterious role of the 'WAND' Corp. -- see the fall 2000 *WAND Weview* for the pre-election & very 'ericblarian' exegesis -- in the Administration's strict "yes, we really doo love nuclear" policy ... of "let *The Economist* decide, handily (and invisibly)" ... with no actually stated policy (other than the mothballing of the Hanford Breeder-reactor; not surprized, if you didn't hear about that, though it was in the paper (about page 37 in a Sunday L.A.Times) !-) --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:57:39 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Putting a Lid on Chernobyl Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/sample.html two scrolls down is an article on the UNSCEAR 2000 Report, which is also what you type-in to find the report, itself. also, see (a favorite) "How to Build Maui's *Tanawa*" (some thing t'do with longitude .-) http://cnts.wpi.edu/rsh/Docs/OtherDocs/UN-Chernobyl/ThyroidCancer.htm http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ seeing as we are suppozed to go to war over "oil," or rather electricity & gasoline, please, take the hysteria with a grain of salt, and the mysterious role of the 'WAND' Corp. -- see the fall 2000 *WAND Weview* for the pre-election & very 'ericblarian' exegesis -- --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:21:10 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Heisenberg's Gamma-ray Photon Microscope Analog Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oooh, I found a mistake; doens't he mean, 'where the tetrahedron falls on its *fourth* vertex?' thus quoth: 9. Record all visual, auditory, and tactile observations. When the system changes state, place a mark on the paper where the third vertex lands and make a note of the sound made during the shift. Reposition the electron to a dynamically balanced state. 10. Give all elements in the analog model one-half spin; re-position and repeat the exercises. 11. Split into pairs and have one person repeat exercises with eyes closed while the other person records what the person reports as having happened. "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 04:09:00 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mobe Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Rischelle, the imminent fusing of "Dick" and "Herschel." this is strictly absurd, since you can actually see how the gores don't fit, together, which "everyone knows" from a banana peel. thus quoth: >Good point JB, here is an "adjusted" mode map: >http://www.geocities.com/kruste_klown/Map/mobe.html My, my.... That's rather a nice layout (both forms). I see it turns out that one need not split the geographic entities/areas in --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis! http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:20:42 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chris Fearnley Organization: Synergeticists of the NorthEast Corridor (SNEC) Subject: Exhibit and Synergetic Geometry Symposium on January 25 & 26th Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Synergetic Geometry Symposium: important items: - Please pre-register by 19 January so final plans can be made. - Use the form at http://snec.cjfearnley.com/registration.html - Exhibit Space reservations must be submitted by 21 January (see below). Synergeticists of the NorthEast Corridor present a two day symposium on A Fuller Explanation: Building on Amy Edmondson's Explanation of The Synergetic Geometry of R. Buckminster Fuller with a Synergetic Geometry Exhibit When: Saturday 25 January 2003, 12 PM - 6 PM Sunday 26 January 2003, 9 AM - 3 PM Where: Design Science Toys, Ltd 172 Pleasantvale Rd, Tivoli, NY 12583 Web Site: http://snec.cjfearnley.com/ Exhibit Space: Exhibit space will be available for showing artifacts. Space must be reserved by 21 January. To make arrangements for space, send a request with the dimensions of your piece(s) to Stuart Quimby . Please bring a card with a brief description of your work for display in the exhibit area. Travel Directions: http://dstoys.org/cmf/projects/EastCoastConference/Travel%20Instructions On-Line Registration Form: http://snec.cjfearnley.com/registration.html Printable Registration Form: http://snec.cjfearnley.com/registration.pdf Costs: Please submit registration and mail payment by January 19th. $40 registration fee $20 student registration fee $10 for lunch each day Note: $25 surcharge for at-the-door registrations. -- The lesson of history is that our firmest convictions are not to be asserted dogmatically; in fact they should be most suspect; they mark not our conquests but our limitations and our bounds. -- Morris Kline Christopher J. Fearnley | Explorer in Universe Chris@CJFearnley.com | Design Science Revolutionary http://www.CJFearnley.com | "Dare to be Naïve" -- Bucky Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:31:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Links Comments: To: "Thorsteinn, Einar" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Einar, Here is a list of relevant links: Geodesic list: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/geodesic.html DomeHome list: http://www.domegroup.org/ Bucky Archives at Stanford: = http://www.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead/stanford/mss/m1090/@Generic__BookVie= w;cs=3Ddefault;ts=3Ddefault Windmill dome: = http://www.buckminster.info//Ideas/10-EndEnergyWindmillDome.htm Dome manufacturers: http://www.buckminster.info//Index/Dome-Dt.htm = (scroll down to "Manufacturers") Domes/Iceland: http://www.buckminster.info//Index/Domes-I.htm (should be = available when I update my website in a week or so) --------------------------- University of Phoenix Online: http://www.uopdegreesonline.com/index.jsp Microsoft Education: http://www.microsoft.com/education/default.asp -------------------------- HitBox website stats: http://www.hitboxcentral.com/ FreeFind website searches: http://www.freefind.com/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:56:05 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Guide to Tensegrity Design MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm resending this, since I sent it the first time from the wrong email address. Sorry if it gets duplicated. In preparation for my presentation at the Synergeticists meeting, I've been converting the contents of my book to HTML. The first two chapters are available at: http://bobwb.tripod.com/tenseg/book/index.xml It requires a MathML-aware browser like Mozilla 1.1. The first two chapters cover my approach to computations for three simple tensegrities: the t-prism, the t-octahedron and the t-tetrahedron. Comments/questions would be welcome. The book was done in 1994 using TeX and the first chapter is sort of dated. I plan to revise things and have a new edition by 2004. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:12:28 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mobe Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the caption, alone, was enough of an emetic! thus paraphrased: "The shortest route fron Tahiti to your house goes 'over' the center of Earth; please, be aware of Tahitian humor!" thus quoth: >Here's the short cut: > >http://www.geocities.com/kruste_klown/Map/travelin.html > >Kruste No pictures. You can't just leave these on your C drive dude. file:///C:/My%20Pictures/Web%20Page/USTa1.jpg --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis. "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:16:37 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mobe Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed clown's to the left o'me, jokers on the net -- there you are! thus quoth: No problem: just change your view of the Mobe... http://www.geocities.com/kruste_klown/Map/distance.html and you can travel between any 2 countries of your choice. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX --A HYDROGEN (sic; cracked methane) ECONOMY?... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS 21 -- OMAHA 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER 25 -- THYROID STORM _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:01:21 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: 120-degree triangle triples. Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed that's just perfect, man (the part I read, til the math .-)... oh; and, Copyr. by me, except for the part by you, Ray! thus quoth: You must be referring to integral triangles, since I would be hard-pressed to classify non-integer legs as either even or odd. It is obvious by simple inspection of the Pythagorean theorum that all three sides of an integral triangle cannot be odd since the sum of two odd squares is not odd. And if c were even, being a square, it would have to have a factor of four, which is impossible if a and b were both odd, so c can never be the only even side (if there is any odd side, c will be odd together with one other leg). There could be other relationships that hold true for triangle families of angles other than 90-degree, since the distortion of the Pythagorean theorum is by double the rational cosine of the angle. In the case of a 120-degree triple, it is clearly possible to get a triangle where all sides are odd since aa + bb + ab = cc, such as 3-5-7. More importantly, it is not clear to me yet why I care much about the even-sided characteristics since I would produce the formulae for generating these with a specified angle in a standard way regardless of whether or not all sides may be odd. For the angle opposite the length 3 leg in the 3-4-5 triangle whose cosine is 4/5: aa + bb - (8/5)ab = cc or 25aa + 25bb - 40ab = 25cc or (5a - 4b)^2 + (3b)^2 = (5c)^2 Substituting with the parameterization for pythagorean triplets for m and n where: a'a' + b'b' = c'c' a' = mm - nn b' = 2mn c' = mm + nn we then have 5a - 4b = mm - nn 3b = 2mn 5c = mm + nn so a = (mm + (8/3)mn - nn)/5 b = (2/3)mn c = (mm + nn)/5 scaling by 15 to eliminate fractional results a = 3mm + 8mn - 3nn b = 10mn c = 3mm + 3nn Now, we can generate lots of triples that share the angle opposite 3 in the 3-4-5 triangle and satisfy: aa + bb - (8/5)ab = cc (1,1) gives 8,10,6 (4-5-3) (2,1) gives 25,20,15 (5-4-3) (3,1) gives 48,30,30 (8-5-5) (3,2) gives 63,60,39 (21-20-13) etc. With a bit more work, we can find the triple to approximate an arbitrary second angle, as I did on the web pages for 90 and 120 triples. Since such angles (besides 60, 90, or 120) do not evenly divide a circle, it is not obvious how these angles besides 60, 90, and 120 with rational cosine would be a good basis for a coordinate system, though, as I did with the others. I had missed the now-obvious result that no integer triangles can have, for example, a 72-degree angle in them due to lack of a rational cosine. >so, anyway, >what can you say about other factors "on the left-hand side" >of cc = aa + bb =/- 2ab(cos(theta)) ?? As you have given it, cc is on the left-hand side. There are many ways to rearrange it, but it is not clear to me specifically what you are pointing to. > >(http://ray.jhax.net/NaturalCoordinateSystem.html) --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis. "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:30:43 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: 2001-330473889-1-9 Comments: To: gsroka@mmsa.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gsroca, Sorry about that. After I wrote that I discovered the page that you = mention. However, in the form that they file with the IRS, no donors = are listed. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: gsroka@mmsa.com=20 To: joe_s_moore@HOTMAIL.COM=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:52 AM Subject: 2001-330473889-1-9 >>> Neither organization lists who their contributors are, just the = total >>> amount. i seem to recalling finding my name on BFI's web site or their = newsletter. i donated a whopping $50. (don't hit me up for any more ;-)=20 in fact, here it is: donors and members from 2000:=20 http://209.196.135.250/about_this_website.htm=20 gotta love google ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 02:47:02 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mobe Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed that is almost funny; it looks as if you reassembled the globe, in order to get back to the future. enjoy your stay ad finitum! if there's any thing more to this wonder of dissectio, then speak now or for ever hold your pieces! thus quoth: Thanks for the info, has now been corrected > >So you want to go to Tahiti ... say from LA. > >http://www.geocities.com/kruste_klown/Map/travelin.html --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis. "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 03:05:41 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mobe Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed that is almost funny; it looks as if you reassembled the globe, in order to get back to the future. enjoy your stay ad finitum! if there's any thing more to this wonder of dissectio, then speak now or for ever hold your pieces! thus quoth: Thanks for the info, has now been corrected > >So you want to go to Tahiti ... say from LA. > >http://www.geocities.com/kruste_klown/Map/travelin.html --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis. "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:22:55 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Starplate sheds Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James, See http://www.avonelectric.co.nz/starplate/ and http://www.strombergschickens.com/starplate_building_system/starplate_index. htm and http://www.baskingspot.com/iguanas/cagepage/starplate.html ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: re: Starplate sheds > From: "James Collins" > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:56:02 +1000 > > Sorry, can someone give me a more detailed idea of what > a starplate shed is? I suspect It is something I know > about but I am unfamiliar with the terminology. > > James C > james@dovenetq.net.au > > Subject: Starplate sheds > > > > From: Rwdemay@aol.com > > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:19:47 EST > > > > Just for discussion, what are members' experiences > > with and uses for these unique structures; why were they > > built, how were they finished, what sizes were found most > > useful.......Were they successful and would members > > contemplate building more? > > Ross W. De May > > As I plan to erect one, I would appreciate your > > comments......RWD....... > > > > .:'':. > .::::::::. The DomeHome Email List . http://www.domegroup.org > > > ** subscribe/unsubscribe to this list (under DOG LISTS) at > http://www.hoflin.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 01:29:32 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nisha Mittal Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote:Saith "Dick:" You've seen one version of Fischbeck's map, looks like this; pressed for time, Alaska got severed: I don't think that you made this; or, how did you do so?... Any example from what you did is fine; you don't have to give-away the whole "patent-pending" process! Anyway, those straight lines that are drawn across a set of trigona cannot be GCs (and can't be, as far as I know, for any "general position" line across any flat map). As for Brianchon, it only applies to hexagona (or fewer-sided shapes). For that mater, as I recall, you can draw a conic through any 5 points on the plane, but not any six. (Haven't looked at the following, and I don't want to !-) Thus quotH: http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=84 Re: Brianchon If the vertexes of a randome(pat.pending) are connected with lines and those lines are bisected, each vertex gets surrounded by a n-gon. A circle or ellipse can be drawn inside each n-gon, as Brianchon showed. That's what I'm http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/combgeom/handout3.pdf Also, what is the relationship between the solid angle deficit and the axial angle deficit? 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Sign up now ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:08:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Discrete Global Grids Comments: To: "Ames, Foerd" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Foerd, Kevin Sahr at the Terra Cognita website may be able to help you with = your mapping problem. http://www.sou.edu/cs/sahr/dgg/index.html See especially the DGGRID grid generation program=20 http://www.sou.edu/cs/sahr/dgg/dggrid/dggrid.html=20 and the Icosahedral DGG Orientations = http://www.sou.edu/cs/sahr/dgg/orientation/orient.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:39:30 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: in interesting experiment In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I asked a friend of mine who teaches high school math if I could show his students a bit about synergy, ephemeralization, and push pull technology. He agreed and on Tues. I went in. There were 25 students, and they were really thrown off from what I had to say coming out of left field. Some of what was brought to them included- Most of what they're learning now is a waist of time, and a ploy to degenious them. Many forces outside their classroom were telling them to be or act a certain way, and that they should start listening to their intuition (perhaps a dangerous suggestion to a teenager lol). And that to be effective they should ask themselves what they want to learn and go and learn it IE initiative. That the building they were in (a box), and all the buildings we use every day are continuous compression, and inefficient, further explaining what compression tension buildings look like and how they behave. That as an example, my family weigh 335 pounds and my home weighs roughly 200 tons, making the weight ratio for shelter 1,194 times our shelter's weight to our family's weight. And that no creature in nature used this much resource for shelter. That much of what they had learned was a myth. And if this wasn't enough, that it was up to my, theirs, and their children's generation to save our planet from long term destructive consequences. They really didn't want to hear that one, and on reflection I'll probably hold back that one in the future. I held back nothing. Nor did they. Their questions were to the point, and they felt in many ways me hostile to their comfort. When I was asked if I was trying to make them act or feel a certain way, I responded that I hoped they felt angry, hurt, frustrated, anything so they wake up and act on those feelings. By the end of the session, I felt they had been thrown for a loop, and didn't like that too much. But they also appreciated that here was someone who actually cared about them, and what they thought about, that they mattered. Teenagers have excellent bullshit radar. Here were the results of a feedback form I asked them to fill out anonymously. 1. I found the material presented- a. Very interesting (7) b. Interesting (4) c. Sort of interesting (8) d. Lame (0) 2. Leif's presentation- a. Well delivered (6) b. Good (8) c. Ok, but could use more work (3) d. Lame (1) 3. Regarding the material presented, I understood- a. Everything (3) b. Most of the material (8) c. Some of the material (7) d. Totally did not "get it" at all (2) 4. Was the material presented- a. Funny (4) b. Scary (2) c. Empowering (8) d. Boring (4) 5. Would you like to learn more about synergy, ephemeralization, and push/pull technology- a. Definitely (7) b. Probably (5) c. Not sure (4) d. No (2) 6. Do you think the material presented is relevant in your life- a. Definitely (9) b. Probably (3) c. Not sure (4) d. No (2) More than anything I learned some really important stuff for the future. One thing for sure is that that linear lecturing model is awful. I realized the students left much as those who see the play about Bucky do (long explanation there). Anyway, later my wife who's been a teacher really opened my eyes to what my intent, goal, and some other methods how best achieve it could be. The operating word is "dynamic" over linear. Like having them build something (hey Jay isn't this what you do?), work in smaller groups, have them teach each other individual parts? Anyway, if any of you have read this far thanks for listening, and I welcome any feedback you might offer. My intent is to reach as many as possible in a way that produces a positive result. We are all Ohana (family), and I don't just mean those in this group (even Quincy). ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:58:49 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Discrete Global Grids Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops. an infinity of conics pass-through 3 points, as for 4 points if they're arranged in a rectangle, but only one goes through 4 points "in general position," UNSUBSCRIBED. thus quoth: as I recall, you can draw a conic through any 5 points on the plane, but not any six. (Haven't looked at the following, and --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:55:18 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Discrete Global Grids Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I like the "ISEA" one, having edge-centers at the poles ... not that I'd use it for any thing! thus quoth: and the Icosahedral DGG Orientations http://www.sou.edu/cs/sahr/dgg/orientation/orient.html --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:04:38 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: 120-degree triangle triples. Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed sorry; I meant the usual "on the right-hand side," not the C-to-the-second-power side of the equation; factors of the 3 terms of the former. thus quoth: , we can generate lots of triples that share the angle opposite 3 in the 3-4-5 triangle and satisfy: aa + bb - (8/5)ab = cc (1,1) gives 8,10,6 (4-5-3) (2,1) gives 25,20,15 (5-4-3) (3,1) gives 48,30,30 (8-5-5) (3,2) gives 63,60,39 (21-20-13) etc. With a bit more work, we can find the triple to approximate an arbitrary second angle, as I did on the web pages for 90 and 120 triples. Since such angles (besides 60, 90, or 120) do not evenly divide a circle, it is not obvious how these angles besides 60, 90, and 120 with rational cosine would be a good basis for a coordinate system, though, as I did with the others. I had missed the now-obvious result that no integer triangles can have, for example, a 72-degree angle in them due to lack of a rational cosine. >so, anyway, >what can you say about other factors "on the left-hand side" >of cc = aa + bb =/- 2ab(cos(theta)) ?? As you have given it, cc is on the left-hand side. There are many ways to rearrange it, but it is not clear to me specifically what you are pointing to. > >(http://ray.jhax.net/NaturalCoordinateSystem.html) --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 04:03:23 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed shucks; it looks like the first line seems like a command to listserv (below). OK, now; imagine what you say if you were standing in front of the local schoolboard -- yes, folks who'd been through the same, horrible traumas of New Math as is still so main-o'the-stream, all the way from l'Ecole General (not Saint) Nick, as you, who have so clearly suffered a mortal-intellectual blow! he actually said, what Bucky saith (un citation, plesieurs): Most of what they're learning now is a waist of time, and a ploy to degenious them. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX thus quoth: >Subject: Rejected posting to GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:58:09 -0500 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:36:00 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: in interesting experiment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leifur, You thinks I wuz too hard on Quincy? As a former teacher of basic massage, anatomy, sports massage and an international instructor of advanced rehabilitative massage; I'd say those grades were very good for a first effort. To leave 8 empowered & 2 scared is a major accomplishment, and the 4 funny ones depend on whether you intended to be funny or not & or just had a few innocent fau pauxs (R sumtin' like that). If you were drooling, stuttering, fumbling for notes, they don't count. Remember the walls your breaking through. The TV violence prepares them for something different than the realisation that must be brought closer to the surface when you show them where we could be if Bucky's and say Arthur C. Clarke's ideas had been integrated. The real violence of their own leaders and the general apparant long term nature of it's horrors. It's quite shocking to perceive how easy it is to see the common sense, once discussed, then the teah buts begin to emerge. That you walked away with well over half the class consistantly grading you good to excellant on a first run is promising. Conciousness takes wing and begins to lift the psyche out of whatever safe space it has lied dormant with the presentation of work like this. Simply remain in the state of conciousness that has dawned in it's unique way in you and realize that all students will often come around in a class, if you give them enough time and keep your "eyes" open when you start to leave someone behind. Most of those you can walk through the steps slower, while making it confirmatory to the rest of those who got it. Expect the understanding to arise from those who got it and it does. Ask me about problem students if you like on the next exchange. And do your pyramidmatrix.com math Be well, Mark P.S. As a footnote, the nuclear researchers from the Ratical.org site include the first man picked to head up the health related branch of the Atomic Energy Commission, and the only scientist to develop a process to remove radioactivity from waste, on site. The government knows of it and it's proven research, yet still ships N-waste to be stored for thousands of years, go figure. http://members.cox.net/theroyprocess/ And still Dr Roy's opinion was that we should not utilise it. I'm waiting on a return call before I come back at Quincy on those points and a few others. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 04:58:40 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed just a question: did the teacher know what you were up to, and what did he think?... oh, and: was he your friend, the substitute math teacher? thus saith: all the way from l'Ecole General (not Saint) Nick, as you, who have so clearly suffered a mortal-intellectual blow! he actually said, what Bucky saith (un citation, plesieurs): Most of what they're learning now is a waist of time, and a ploy to degenious them. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:01:15 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Leifur Thor >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: in interesting experiment >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:39:30 -0800 Great! next time you take Quincy with you. Just to test the kids's radar. I guess they might love him, that would be a sign to us all. Otherwise, it would be good for Quincy too: if kids don't follow him... time to change. Great concept: kids are not stupid. I think it is time to begin putting some of Bucky's ideas in a fiction box (at least for a while). Except epehmerelization that should ecompass all of us (Quincy included). I like Emerson's: "take care of the causes, consequences will take care of themselves". That should include some of Bucky ideas. Leifur, I sometimes feel that Bucky's "story" is his most important legacy, not his ideas as something somebody should feel obliged to follow. If you transmit the feeling of Bucky's story, I feel that you transmit the most important thing of his. When the devices are ready (transportation, energy, shelter) any kid will "buy" it with the same easyness they buy nintendos. Maybe we should be booing the companies that pretend to change transportation (hypercar) energy (coleman-ballard) etc. at their space era style technology pace (imposed by the sacrosanct principles of copyryght, market, etc.) that promise to make millionaire life style only for them, and fill the rest of the world with another generation of "ephemeral" devices. Can you imagine the pace that would be imposed if every developing technology would be open in the internet?. REmember linux, and just follow Microsoft, MS is opening its windows code (for governments and for security's sake, ha ha ha ha). They are opening it because of linux, a free open code systeme available in the net. Do you remember the picture "Lorenzo's oil", can you imagine the old guy close to retiring, arguing copyright reasons, or loyalty to his company?. What is the difference between Lorenzo's sickness and any other sickness? (being it of any kind: shelter, transportation, etc.) are we going to keep arguing the psycobla bla bla of always?: "the market, the copyright, etc." great work Leifur. Our hopes must be put in the kids, not in Bucky, Larouche, Quincy or me. They will make the difference, we make the list. Gerardo García TAmpico, México >I asked a friend of mine who teaches high school math if I could show his >students a bit about synergy, ephemeralization, and push pull technology. > >He agreed and on Tues. I went in. > >There were 25 students, and they were really thrown off from what I had to >say coming out of left field. > >Some of what was brought to them included- > >Most of what they're learning now is a waist of time, and a ploy to >degenious them. > >Many forces outside their classroom were telling them to be or act a >certain >way, and that they should start listening to their intuition (perhaps a >dangerous suggestion to a teenager lol). And that to be effective they >should ask themselves what they want to learn and go and learn it IE >initiative. > >That the building they were in (a box), and all the buildings we use every >day are continuous compression, and inefficient, further explaining what >compression tension buildings look like and how they behave. > >That as an example, my family weigh 335 pounds and my home weighs roughly >200 tons, making the weight ratio for shelter 1,194 times our shelter's >weight to our family's weight. And that no creature in nature used this >much >resource for shelter. > >That much of what they had learned was a myth. And if this wasn't enough, >that it was up to my, theirs, and their children's generation to save our >planet from long term destructive consequences. They really didn't want to >hear that one, and on reflection I'll probably hold back that one in the >future. > >I held back nothing. Nor did they. Their questions were to the point, and >they felt in many ways me hostile to their comfort. When I was asked if I >was trying to make them act or feel a certain way, I responded that I hoped >they felt angry, hurt, frustrated, anything so they wake up and act on >those >feelings. > >By the end of the session, I felt they had been thrown for a loop, and >didn't like that too much. But they also appreciated that here was someone >who actually cared about them, and what they thought about, that they >mattered. Teenagers have excellent bullshit radar. > >Here were the results of a feedback form I asked them to fill out >anonymously. > >1. I found the material presented- >a. Very interesting (7) >b. Interesting (4) >c. Sort of interesting (8) >d. Lame (0) > >2. Leif's presentation- >a. Well delivered (6) >b. Good (8) >c. Ok, but could use more work (3) >d. Lame (1) > >3. Regarding the material presented, I understood- >a. Everything (3) >b. Most of the material (8) >c. Some of the material (7) >d. Totally did not "get it" at all (2) > >4. Was the material presented- >a. Funny (4) >b. Scary (2) >c. Empowering (8) >d. Boring (4) > >5. Would you like to learn more about synergy, ephemeralization, and >push/pull technology- >a. Definitely (7) >b. Probably (5) >c. Not sure (4) >d. No (2) > >6. Do you think the material presented is relevant in your life- >a. Definitely (9) >b. Probably (3) >c. Not sure (4) >d. No (2) > >More than anything I learned some really important stuff for the future. > >One thing for sure is that that linear lecturing model is awful. I realized >the students left much as those who see the play about Bucky do (long >explanation there). Anyway, later my wife who's been a teacher really >opened >my eyes to what my intent, goal, and some other methods how best achieve it >could be. > >The operating word is "dynamic" over linear. > >Like having them build something (hey Jay isn't this what you do?), work in >smaller groups, have them teach each other individual parts? > >Anyway, if any of you have read this far thanks for listening, and I >welcome >any feedback you might offer. > >My intent is to reach as many as possible in a way that produces a positive >result. > >We are all Ohana (family), and I don't just mean those in this group (even >Quincy). _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:06:39 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: geodome vs geosphere Comments: To: Ilija Gorgevic Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Llija, Go to this page http://www.buckminster.info//Index/Domes-S.htm and scroll down to "Spherical" and http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-R.htm (scroll down to "Residential/Spherical") See also http://www.buckminster.info//Ideas/07-IcosDomeHomeHiTech.htm and http://www.buckminster.info//Ideas/07-IcosDomeFlyEyeModel.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ilija Gorgevic" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 2:54 AM Subject: geodome vs geosphere > Hello, > > There are many residential geodesic domes. Still I don't know any > example of geodesic sphere house. I would appreciate any comments . > > Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:13:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: in interesting experiment In-Reply-To: <171.194c2042.2b58e230@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm just tease Quincy because he makes no sense to me (must be over my head), and he likes to type a lot. Thanks for the input Mark. I'm formulating a class of sorts that will involve building some stuff including a geodesic dome. I'm all ears for ideas of what kind of geodesic you all think we should have kids build. Big? small? permanent? temporary? useful, like in as a shelter for a homeless person? what materials should we use? Any suggestions for donars for this project? come on everyone, let's use our collective minds (notice I didn't say brains lol) and throw those ideas out there. > From: Mark Stehly > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:36:00 EST > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: in interesting experiment > > Leifur, > > You thinks I wuz too hard on Quincy? > > As a former teacher of basic massage, anatomy, sports massage and an > international instructor of advanced rehabilitative massage; I'd say those > grades were very good for a first effort. > > To leave 8 empowered & 2 scared is a major accomplishment, and the 4 > funny ones depend on whether you intended to be funny or not & or just had a > few innocent fau pauxs (R sumtin' like that). If you were drooling, > stuttering, fumbling for notes, they don't count. > > Remember the walls your breaking through. The TV violence prepares them > for something different than the realisation that must be brought closer to > the surface when you show them where we could be if Bucky's and say Arthur C. > Clarke's ideas had been integrated. The real violence of their own leaders > and the general apparant long term nature of it's horrors. > It's quite shocking to perceive how easy it is to see the common sense, > once discussed, then the teah buts begin to emerge. That you walked away with > well over half the class consistantly grading you good to excellant on a > first run is promising. > > Conciousness takes wing and begins to lift the psyche out of whatever > safe space it has lied dormant with the presentation of work like this. > Simply remain in the state of conciousness that has dawned in it's unique > way in you and realize that all students will often come around in a class, > if you give them enough time and keep your "eyes" open when you start to > leave someone behind. > Most of those you can walk through the steps slower, while making it > confirmatory to the rest of those who got it. Expect the understanding to > arise from those who got it and it does. > Ask me about problem students if you like on the next exchange. > And do your pyramidmatrix.com math > Be well, > > Mark > > P.S. As a footnote, the nuclear researchers from the Ratical.org site > include the first man picked to head up the health related branch of the > Atomic Energy Commission, and the only scientist to develop a process to > remove radioactivity > from waste, on site. The government knows of it and it's proven research, yet > still ships N-waste to be stored for thousands of years, go figure. > > HREF="http://members.cox.net/theroyprocess/">http://members.cox.net/theroyproc > ess/ > > And still Dr Roy's opinion was that we should not utilise it. > I'm waiting on a return call before I come back at Quincy on those > points and a few others. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:13:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: in interesting experiment In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hope this answers your questions Quincy... -did the teacher know what you were up to Yes and no -what did he think? He liked it as a whole, and because he is my friend he didn't take offense. -was he your friend, the substitute math teacher? He's the regular math teacher. > From: Quincy Quincy Quincy > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 04:58:40 +0000 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: in interesting experiment > > just a question: > did the teacher know what you were up to, and > what did he think?... oh, and: > was he your friend, the substitute math teacher? > > thus saith: > all the way from l'Ecole General (not Saint) Nick, > as you, who have so clearly suffered a mortal-intellectual blow! > > he actually said, what Bucky saith (un citation, plesieurs): > Most of what they're learning now is a waist of time, and a ploy to > degenious them. > > --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): > Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? > "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) > http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:28:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: in interesting experiment In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > Leifur, I sometimes feel that Bucky's "story" is his most important legac= y, > not his ideas as something somebody should feel obliged to follow. If yo= u > transmit the feeling of Bucky's story, I feel that you transmit the most > important thing of his. When the devices are ready (transportation, ener= gy, > shelter) any kid will "buy" it with the same easyness they buy nintendos. thanks for your support Geraldo, I couldn't agree with you more in that our hopes do lie with the kids, and ourselves. Bucky was great, but he's also dead (sorry, his pattern integrit= y has moved elsewhere) I strongly feel Bucky was a messenger though, and not the message. This doesn't make him any less great than he could ever be with those who've bee= n affected by him, like myself. Unfortunately the information he brought to our attention is so deeply woun= d up in the man himself. My intent is to teach the kids about the very non-fictional concept of ephemeralization, and synergy, as well as push pull technology. Bucky was just one example of what any human being can accomplish utilizing universal principles. I like to think of the universal principles as thread= . It's the strongest thread I've ever seen, and can weave incredible things. But no two people are going to come up with the same artifacts with it. This is what Bucky meant when he suggested we look to see what needs to be done, and do it. It's not what we do, but what context (perception) we are doing it from.=20 > From: Gerardo Garcia > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:01:15 +0000 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: in interesting experiment >=20 >> From: Leifur Thor >> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >> >> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: in interesting experiment >> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:39:30 -0800 >=20 > Great! >=20 > next time you take Quincy with you. Just to test the kids's radar. I gu= ess > they might love him, that would be a sign to us all. Otherwise, it would= be > good for Quincy too: if kids don't follow him... time to change. >=20 > Great concept: kids are not stupid. >=20 > I think it is time to begin putting some of Bucky's ideas in a fiction bo= x > (at least for a while). Except epehmerelization that should ecompass all= of > us (Quincy included). >=20 > I like Emerson's: "take care of the causes, consequences will take care = of > themselves". That should include some of Bucky ideas. >=20 > Leifur, I sometimes feel that Bucky's "story" is his most important legac= y, > not his ideas as something somebody should feel obliged to follow. If yo= u > transmit the feeling of Bucky's story, I feel that you transmit the most > important thing of his. When the devices are ready (transportation, ener= gy, > shelter) any kid will "buy" it with the same easyness they buy nintendos. >=20 > Maybe we should be booing the companies that pretend to change > transportation (hypercar) energy (coleman-ballard) etc. at their space er= a > style technology pace (imposed by the sacrosanct principles of copyryght, > market, etc.) that promise to make millionaire life style only for them, = and > fill the rest of the world with another generation of "ephemeral" devices= . > Can you imagine the pace that would be imposed if every developing > technology would be open in the internet?. REmember linux, and just foll= ow > Microsoft, MS is opening its windows code (for governments and for > security's sake, ha ha ha ha). They are opening it because of linux, a f= ree > open code systeme available in the net. >=20 > Do you remember the picture "Lorenzo's oil", can you imagine the old guy > close to retiring, arguing copyright reasons, or loyalty to his company?. > What is the difference between Lorenzo's sickness and any other sickness? > (being it of any kind: shelter, transportation, etc.) are we going to kee= p > arguing the psycobla bla bla of always?: "the market, the copyright, etc= ." >=20 >=20 > great work Leifur. Our hopes must be put in the kids, not in Bucky, > Larouche, Quincy or me. They will make the difference, we make the list. >=20 > Gerardo Garc=EDa > TAmpico, M=E9xico >=20 >> I asked a friend of mine who teaches high school math if I could show hi= s >> students a bit about synergy, ephemeralization, and push pull technology= . >>=20 >> He agreed and on Tues. I went in. >>=20 >> There were 25 students, and they were really thrown off from what I had = to >> say coming out of left field. >>=20 >> Some of what was brought to them included- >>=20 >> Most of what they're learning now is a waist of time, and a ploy to >> degenious them. >>=20 >> Many forces outside their classroom were telling them to be or act a >> certain >> way, and that they should start listening to their intuition (perhaps a >> dangerous suggestion to a teenager lol). And that to be effective they >> should ask themselves what they want to learn and go and learn it IE >> initiative. >>=20 >> That the building they were in (a box), and all the buildings we use eve= ry >> day are continuous compression, and inefficient, further explaining what >> compression tension buildings look like and how they behave. >>=20 >> That as an example, my family weigh 335 pounds and my home weighs roughl= y >> 200 tons, making the weight ratio for shelter 1,194 times our shelter's >> weight to our family's weight. And that no creature in nature used this >> much >> resource for shelter. >>=20 >> That much of what they had learned was a myth. And if this wasn't enough= , >> that it was up to my, theirs, and their children's generation to save ou= r >> planet from long term destructive consequences. They really didn't want = to >> hear that one, and on reflection I'll probably hold back that one in the >> future. >>=20 >> I held back nothing. Nor did they. Their questions were to the point, an= d >> they felt in many ways me hostile to their comfort. When I was asked if = I >> was trying to make them act or feel a certain way, I responded that I ho= ped >> they felt angry, hurt, frustrated, anything so they wake up and act on >> those >> feelings. >>=20 >> By the end of the session, I felt they had been thrown for a loop, and >> didn't like that too much. But they also appreciated that here was someo= ne >> who actually cared about them, and what they thought about, that they >> mattered. Teenagers have excellent bullshit radar. >>=20 >> Here were the results of a feedback form I asked them to fill out >> anonymously. >>=20 >> 1. I found the material presented- >> a. Very interesting (7) >> b. Interesting (4) >> c. Sort of interesting (8) >> d. Lame (0) >>=20 >> 2. Leif's presentation- >> a. Well delivered (6) >> b. Good (8) >> c. Ok, but could use more work (3) >> d. Lame (1) >>=20 >> 3. Regarding the material presented, I understood- >> a. Everything (3) >> b. Most of the material (8) >> c. Some of the material (7) >> d. Totally did not "get it" at all (2) >>=20 >> 4. Was the material presented- >> a. Funny (4) >> b. Scary (2) >> c. Empowering (8) >> d. Boring (4) >>=20 >> 5. Would you like to learn more about synergy, ephemeralization, and >> push/pull technology- >> a. Definitely (7) >> b. Probably (5) >> c. Not sure (4) >> d. No (2) >>=20 >> 6. Do you think the material presented is relevant in your life- >> a. Definitely (9) >> b. Probably (3) >> c. Not sure (4) >> d. No (2) >>=20 >> More than anything I learned some really important stuff for the future. >>=20 >> One thing for sure is that that linear lecturing model is awful. I reali= zed >> the students left much as those who see the play about Bucky do (long >> explanation there). Anyway, later my wife who's been a teacher really >> opened >> my eyes to what my intent, goal, and some other methods how best achieve= it >> could be. >>=20 >> The operating word is "dynamic" over linear. >>=20 >> Like having them build something (hey Jay isn't this what you do?), work= in >> smaller groups, have them teach each other individual parts? >>=20 >> Anyway, if any of you have read this far thanks for listening, and I >> welcome >> any feedback you might offer. >>=20 >> My intent is to reach as many as possible in a way that produces a posit= ive >> result. >>=20 >> We are all Ohana (family), and I don't just mean those in this group (ev= en >> Quincy). >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Ddept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:27:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed that's (lately as a nom de wha) W.C.Lovegrove (not Sir Arthur); and it's awfully grim, from just reading the first-few pages of (I think) the thick second (paperback) volume of a trilogy. you know, the Royal Definition of Magic. now, to see who's in charge of the cropcircles (and they can at least *say* that Doug and Dave are making all of the chemtrails ... seeing as they are mostly water .-) thus quoth: the surface when you show them where we could be if Bucky's and say Arthur C. Clarke's ideas had been integrated. The real violence of their own leaders --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:39:48 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed this is a joke. there was an article in the LATimes, the other day, about the 'successful clean-up' of the low- (or "high-?") level waste at the Hanford facility. one cannot "remove radioactivity" without using the energy; one can only move the material taht is radiating. of course, they never refer to the fact that it's the site of the Fast-breeder Reactor program, which takes the 19/20 of the uranium in the rods that is U-238 (and nicknamed "depleted uranium" or DU) and makes them into usable isotopes (I don't know the numbers for plutonium etc.) so, one might ask, where in Hell is the "waste" being taken, besides being made into ballistic paperweights. you've just got to look beyond the hype of Caldicott et al ad vomitorium, and realize that. probably, most of the stuff does *not* vaporize (but, even if it did, it would settle faster than anything else, even in its ionic state (?). also, as a complimentary (sik) feature, the DU is used as plating on the tanks. A-hem. thus quoth: P.S. As a footnote, the nuclear researchers from the Ratical.org site include the first man picked to head up the health related branch of the Atomic Energy Commission, and the only scientist to develop a process to remove radioactivity from waste, on site. The government knows of it and it's proven research, yet still ships N-waste to be stored for thousands of years, go figure. http://members.cox.net/theroyprocess/ And still Dr Roy's opinion was that we should not utilise it. I'm waiting on a return call before I come back at Quincy on those points and a few others. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:46:14 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed OK, I'll bite it. doctor Roy says that we ("still") should not use it -- for what?... is this the Secret Alien Back-engineered Junk from Roswell, dug-in to the bunkers of Area 51? PS: why your URLs always so verbose with HTML? thus quoth: from waste, on site. The government knows of it and it's proven research, yet still ships N-waste to be stored for thousands of years, go figure. http://members.cox.net/theroyprocess/ And still Dr Roy's opinion was that we should not utilise it. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:50:21 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed well, looks like -- definitively: What they probably do not know is that as a young graduate student back in 1947, he had a chance to spend an afternoon with Albert Einstein discussing what Einstein felt was his failure to develop a Grand Unification Theory that would reconcile all four forces of nature. He admonished Ernest that if he were to embark on any similar ambitious endeavor, he should "take a cobblers job" and spend a lifetime free to make his mistakes in private. Accordingly, Ernest accepted a job at Westinghouse in the 1950s to develop radiation imaging equipment for use in space research and medicine, allowing him to spend his free time for the next 50 years working on a revolutionary cosmology that may answer all the puzzles left unexplained by the Standard Big Bang model--at the same time working on problems of low-level radiation health effects. http://www.radiation.org/bbb.html thus saith: for what?... is this the Secret Alien Back-engineered Junk from Roswell, dug-in to the bunkers of Area 51? thus quoth: from waste, on site. The government knows of it and it's proven research, yet still ships N-waste to be stored for thousands of years, go figure. http://members.cox.net/theroyprocess/ And still Dr Roy's opinion was that we should not utilise it. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:42:31 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Watkins Subject: Re: in interesting experiment MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Quincy, I'm not aware of the details in this instance, but the idea of a clean-up is not necessarily a joke. In one sense you are right, 'one cannot "remove radioactivity" without using the energy,' However, a big part of the problem with radioactivity waste sites is that the radioactive material is usually mixed with vast amounts of material that is not radioactive. A few ounces of radioactive material contaminates tons of non-radioactive material. Strategies that reduce the total volume of waste by separating the radioactive material from the non-radioactive material are in some sense a clean up and are of value. Take care, Dave Watkins > this is a joke. there was an article in the LATimes, > the other day, about the 'successful clean-up' > of the low- (or "high-?") level waste at the Hanford facility. > one cannot "remove radioactivity" without using the energy; > one can only move the material taht is radiating. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:46:51 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Koji Miyazaki Comments: To: mail@biagiodicarlo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Biagio, I tried a dozen used book websites with no luck. Why don't you try Harvest Book Co's Booksearch? See http://www.harvestbooks.com/index.asp ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: Koji Miyazaki > > An Adventure in Multidimensional Space : The Art & Geometry of Polygons, > Polyhedra & Polytopes (1986) > Author: Koji Miyazaki > > Where I can find this out of print book ? > > biagio di carlo > via berlino 2, villa raspa, spoltore. > 65010 PESCARA, Italy. +085 411588 > http://www.biagiodicarlo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:56:16 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: in interesting experiment In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Gerardo Garcia wrote: > I think it is time to begin putting some of Bucky's ideas > in a fiction box > (at least for a while). Which idea's would these be to you? > Except epehmerelization that > should ecompass all of > us . > Leifur, I sometimes feel that Bucky's "story" is his most > important legacy, > not his ideas as something somebody should feel obliged > to follow. Bucky would never say "follow." The only ideas of his worth anything are the ones that are true, experimentally evident, and simple. That includes most of his work, that I can see. > If you > transmit the feeling of Bucky's story, I feel that you > transmit the most > important thing of his. What feeling? Explain please. > When the devices are ready > (transportation, energy, > shelter) any kid will "buy" it with the same easyness > they buy nintendos. Yes they will. Artifacts were always Bucky's objective. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:11:00 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: in interesting experiment In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Leifur Thor wrote: > I'm just tease Quincy because he makes no sense to me > (must be over my > head), and he likes to type a lot. > > Thanks for the input Mark. I'm formulating a class of > sorts that will > involve building some stuff including a geodesic dome. > > I'm all ears for ideas of what kind of geodesic you all > think we should have > kids build. > Big? > small? > permanent? > temporary? > useful, like in as a shelter for a homeless person? > what materials should we use? > Any suggestions for donars for this project? Randomes would hold the kids interest because they could understand them intuitively. An fifth grade boy I work with just built 75 cm paper ball. It had approximately 200 vertex elements. That's bigger than a 4 frequency icosa. It took him about 4 hours of cutting and stapling. He's never even heard of trig. It's beautiful. He can't wait until Monday to show his class! Now he wants to build one for the back yard, a club house for him and his buddies. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:32:45 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: TECHNOLOGY- Harmos Steel Guitars MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An octet truss guitar: The Harmos Steel Guitar http://www.harmosmusic.com/tech.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:20:05 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Leifur Thor >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: in interesting experiment >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:13:53 -0800 c'mon, Leifur, everybody knows that the sumum of architecture and tensegrity is a "spinning compression component" structure, that receives its energy for the spin from the sun or something like fuel cells. As far as movement is not included in the compression components and, the tension components reduced to nothing, we are behind the standards Bucky discovered. Anything in between must be highly ephemeral and recyclable. >>I'm all ears for ideas of what kind of geodesic you all think we should >>have >kids build. >Big? >small? >permanent? >temporary? >useful, like in as a shelter for a homeless person? >what materials should we use? >Any suggestions for donars for this project? > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:41:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Dick Fischbeck >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: in interesting experiment > > I think it is time to begin putting some of Bucky's ideas > > in a fiction box > > (at least for a while). > >Which idea's would these be to you? > The idea that there is a separation between metaphysics and artifacts. Philosphy is an artifact as much as the dymaxion car was an artifact. Bucky insisted in the devices because he was entrenched in the copyright system. If you open each and every discussion (right now I have two guys from Latvia besides me in the internet place chatting withe their fellow countrypeople) the devices come to be at the speed of light (this was a Mcluhan-friend-of-Bucky term: speed of light of the fiber optics) just think about the chronology glimpse of the world nets: the VANs (value added networks) of the great corporations (IBM, GE, Sterling Software, etc.) dreaming (as well as Microsoft with its MSN) with monopolizimng world communications, and graciously declining under the internet weight. The same way Microsoft is graciously opening its windows code under the pressure of linux. > > Except epehmerelization that > > should ecompass all of > > us . > > Leifur, I sometimes feel that Bucky's "story" is his most > > important legacy, > > not his ideas as something somebody should feel obliged > > to follow. > >Bucky would never say "follow." The only ideas of his >worth anything are the ones that are true, experimentally >evident, and simple. That includes most of his work, that I >can see. > > > If you > > transmit the feeling of Bucky's story, I feel that you > > transmit the most > > important thing of his. > >What feeling? Explain please. > the feeling that somebody can leave everything and dedicate to the service of the others. That kind of love for the others. > > When the devices are ready > > (transportation, energy, > > shelter) any kid will "buy" it with the same easyness > > they buy nintendos. > >Yes they will. Artifacts were always Bucky's objective. > but I think that from now on, there is no excuse for not doing the artifacts in a world consensus, the internet does not like excuses, it only grows. Communications technology is almost ripe, you have the senate and the congress hearings in cable, ergo, you can have EVERYTHING on line. instead of equity bullshit news promising benefits from doing nothing compared with what Bucky did. not Shakespearean at all but: what is the standard? what the device? Gerardo García Tampico, México PS. Leifur, is Geraldo good? or was? should I change my name? > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:45:40 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Dick Fischbeck >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: in interesting experiment >Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:11:00 -0800 This sounds great, no doubt this kind of programs should be included in elementary, high schools, universities, and manor houses, BUT, explaining that we are going towards spinning components. Please don't be ridgid, Even Quincy is more flexible than that Gerardo García Tampico, México > >Randomes would hold the kids interest because they could >understand them intuitively. An fifth grade boy I work with >just built 75 cm paper ball. It had approximately 200 >vertex elements. That's bigger than a 4 frequency icosa. >It took him about 4 hours of cutting and stapling. He's >never even heard of trig. It's beautiful. He can't wait >until Monday to show his class! Now he wants to build one >for the back yard, a club house for him and his buddies. > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:50:41 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: in interesting experiment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leifur, I suggest that you have them "build" , or learn from Chuck Hoberman's designs and "toys". Ref. http://www.hoberman.com/fold/hoberman_new.htm An expanding dome from a flat slinky'd beginning, topped off with an exercise in Dick's (Fishbeck) overlapping panels, having the kid's "discover" what's possible when the spirit of innovation & advancement is brought to a great inventor's ideas; as well as the initial thorough understanding of the original genius and then from that base it's continued flowering. That is what Bucky sought to additionally inspire; the ability to awaken & recognise organic intelligence in all, sparking the confidance to facilitate & further the sparks & fires of genius that inevitably emerge. I can imagine Bucky saying "Rather than seeing me as more intelligent, see me as slightly more awakened than most to my potentials, with improved intelligence as a natural byproduct. With that comes the sober & joyus responsibility in troubled times to act as a beacon, according to the best of my ability." Stimulate thought in the direction of house size versions deliverable by another of Bucky's favorites, an airship to areas like the rural impoverished south, Appalachia, internationally, etc. Think of stacked (Hoberman) pancakes, ready to be placed and unfurled, capped w/ Dick's panels(delivered in boxes by airship)(or by Quincy pulled oxcart ;-) ). If you'd like to add slides, or anime, I can help with the airship slides or anime from these folks, as I know some of the officers. http://aerosml.com Even bringing up Bucky's "beyond just dome" thinking is a good angle to open the student's intelligence in that it points out when one enters passionately into a sphere of thought and runs into additional challenges, they are often empowered by their already gained confidence in their successfully opened intelligence to produce innovative solutions in fields of interrelationship. Open up a new application for the students of the material just learned by starting a casual conversation about the challenges facing colonization of the Moon. Normally taking more than one building/trailer along would prove to be a cumbersome & abysmally expensive undertaking. A Hoberman variant with Dick's panels stored in the middle, along with support materials, offers an intriguing possibility in an arena of thought (space exploration) that captivates attention. The stacked pancake solution for transport; hollow space in the middle of folded Hoberman's for the balance of assembly materials. Viola! Every beauty queens stated desire(at least one ;-) ) solving housing problems (the others being of course, hunger & clothing, & ooops, this is a famil...nudge, nudge, wink, wink) and every fledgling Buck Rogers inspiration (an advancement to easy access to space & happy beauty queens). You'll have their attention. Please do not mention that any of the materials necessary to build these units can be made from hemp products, as that would cause Quincy abdominal cramping, forcing him to cease ox-cart training and the resulting flatulence might cause high velocity cranial ejection. Though that result just might allow for him to not see only "hemorrhoid" whenever he reads hemp related texts. Not to mention Nu-clear thinking and a warming of his cranial globe. I do love ya' Quincy, N' ta prove it I offer these well wishes forthwith: 1. May these birds not drop on you http://www.newscientist.com/news/print.jsp?id=ns99993220 2. Accept no tooth necklaces from your godchildren till checked http://www.emagazine.com/may-june_2002/0502gl_health.html http://www.radiation.org/floridateeth.html 3. Use a lower dose medical X-ray, & then only when absolutely needed http://www.ratical.org/radiation/REHW691.html 4. Avoid swimming in Lake Karachay http://www.antiatom.ru/entext/030113anc.htm 5. A simple test to determine if your woman's health is at risk http://www.mothersalert.org/breastcancer.html Why so many HTML's? So others can read for themselves. Words that shift paradigms should be read for oneself Political news for the day here: http://emperors-clothes.com/gilwhite/Israel.htm http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/ringstrue.htm Q, you can always purchase one of these and mail to me http://www.bonestamp.com/default.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:22:23 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed this is probably a hamper full o'diapers. Einstein was still working on a GUT in the '50s (see the Cartan-Einstien stuff on "torsion," about which I know no thing but the name). I don't believe Fuller's *rendezvous* with the godfather, either, although it sounds perfectly plausible, taht he'd compliment Bucky on his ability to generate an everyday metaphor ... Mrs. O'Leary's Broomstick? the improtance of being Ernest: if he was a grad at Princeton, it's somewhat more plausible. thus quoth: What they probably do not know is that as a young graduate student back in 1947, he had a chance to spend an afternoon with Albert Einstein discussing what Einstein felt was his failure to develop a Grand Unification Theory that would reconcile all four forces of nature. He admonished Ernest that if --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:29:43 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed there is a constant demand in the media for "nuke-yellar" hype, which was officially launched by Jimmy Carter, a physicist under admiral Rickover in the nuke-subs, with that nasty pronunciation (OK, blame LBJ !-) today, for instance, some yokels in Ukraine are bitching about "contaminated" metal from Chernobyl being somehow dyspersed, as part of a program, but these are things like copper piping, whose induced radioactivity is very low, if any. the whole field was contaminated by totally unrealistic estimates on dosages, which are way-below natural background radiation in most places -- and some places have very high levels, compared to Chernobyl, 3MI etc. see the new, proposed dosimetry on the 21st C. site. anyway, where did they *put* the "cleaned-up" stuff, now that it is so, fron Hanford? thus quoth: is not radioactive. A few ounces of radioactive material contaminates tons of non-radioactive material. Strategies that reduce the total volume of waste by separating the radioactive material from the non-radioactive material are in some sense a clean up and are of value. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:35:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "I am not lying; honestly!..." actually, my favorite of Russell's dim-bulb "paradoxes," which really means a misapplication of thought, is the "Town Barber Paradox," because it is so easy to refute, as a matter of language. as for "randomes, patent pending," forget it!... but it just sounds like mental molestation, at this juncture; what school does he go to, and will you get a report, back? thus quoth: Randomes would hold the kids interest because they could understand them intuitively. An fifth grade boy I work with just built 75 cm paper ball. It had approximately 200 vertex elements. That's bigger than a 4 frequency icosa. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:49:40 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: TECHNOLOGY- Harmos Steel Guitars Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed interesting, even if the music-theory is dubious (since the structure only has one fundamental resonance, the fact that it's 2 octaves higher than the usual "solidbody" guitar seems rather inconsequential, if not the fact that it's stiffer & lighter .-) thus quoth: An octet truss guitar: The Harmos Steel Guitar http://www.harmosmusic.com/tech.htm --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:52:50 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: TECHNOLOGY- Harmos Steel Guitars Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed hemp is for haemaorrhoids, not abdominal cramping; it's a plant, Stupid (not an economy ... unless you're a Rastafarian in Jamaica, in which case it might be your "hole" economy .-) as for believing in "Dick" and his alleged "randomes," you must be as much of a doofus in geometry as he is. thus quoth: Please do not mention that any of the materials necessary to build these units can be made from hemp products, as that would cause Quincy abdominal cramping, forcing him to cease ox-cart training and the resulting flatulence might cause high velocity cranial ejection. Though that result just might allow for him to not see only "hemorrhoid" whenever he reads hemp related texts. Not to mention Nu-clear thinking and a warming of his cranial globe. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:58:22 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed this is the 64 nanocent question, because the only "policy" that the administartion has on nuclear power, is to dysperse the most useful part -- and by far the largest -- of our uranium mines, the U-238; are they shipping it to Iraq? perhaps, this is the policy of the 'WAND' Corp., since they have Rice and Rumsfeld, still, on the cabinet. thus saith: where did they *put* the "cleaned-up" stuff, now that it is so, fron Hanford? --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:18:27 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Foerd Ames Subject: Re: Discrete Global Grids In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, Joe. I appreciate the information though had a little trouble getting some of it. Maybe I'll give Kevin a shout, per your suggestion. Foerd Ames Ocean Wave Energy Company 20 Burnside Street Bristol, RI 02809 USA email: foerd@owec.com web site: www.owec.com voice and fax: 401-253-4488 -----Original Message----- From: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works [mailto:GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Joe S Moore Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:08 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Discrete Global Grids Foerd, Kevin Sahr at the Terra Cognita website may be able to help you with your mapping problem. http://www.sou.edu/cs/sahr/dgg/index.html See especially the DGGRID grid generation program http://www.sou.edu/cs/sahr/dgg/dggrid/dggrid.html and the Icosahedral DGG Orientations http://www.sou.edu/cs/sahr/dgg/orientation/orient.html ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:07:56 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed well, that may be going too far; don't sue me for libel! thus saith: you must be as much of a doofus in geometry as he is. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:11:06 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops; this was a tiny, 1" item in today's LATimes. of course, the area around Chernobyl is a "nature preserve," now, although I suppose there's a quite exception for the locals to hunt in it -- not just with a geiger-counter! thus saith: today, for instance, some yokels in Ukraine are bitching about "contaminated" metal from Chernobyl being somehow dyspersed, as part of a program, but these are things like copper piping, --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:20:57 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I mean, Mrs. O'Leary's and her Dymaxion Broomstick; fueled by U-238 !?! on the wayside, I want to recommend a hilarious book on Area 51, _The Dreamland Chronicles_ by Darlington, because I think, he really got to the linguistical root of the "problem;" the fact that Leo "doc Strangelove" Liszard worked, there, is certainly paradigmatic of that!... just happenned upon it in the "001 Dewey Decimalland," which I hit about once/year (that's about the only event that I'd use the awful term, "brainfart," on .-) oh, and a guess: Bob Lazar is Leo's son, if not an outright liar (or, even if he still is). thus saith: taht he'd compliment Bucky on his ability to generate an everyday metaphor ... Mrs. O'Leary's Broomstick? --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:29:29 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I thought that I said, Jack Herer actually lied about some thing that I'd noted on Roy Tuchman's radio-show, with a low-key ascent from Roy that it was so, when I brought it to a forum that he was the star of. by now, he may not be using that one thing, any more, as impressive as it must have been to the non-agriculturists out there in la-la-land, lo all those years that he'd offered thousands of dollars to prove that any one thing was wrong in his book -- and there are others, of a rather generla nature, as well as some prickly specifics. (I think, the offer is no-longer, if it ever really was; i tried for 3 years to get it via KPFK-FM !-) thus quoth: Words that shift paradigms should be read for oneself Political news for the day here: http://emperors-clothes.com/gilwhite/Israel.htm http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/ringstrue.htm Q, you can always purchase one of these and mail to me http://www.bonestamp.com/default.htm --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:14:26 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: TECHNOLOGY- Harmos Steel Guitars In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit now that's cool! > From: Joe S Moore > Organization: (Retired) > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:32:45 -0700 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: TECHNOLOGY- Harmos Steel Guitars > > An octet truss guitar: The Harmos Steel Guitar > > http://www.harmosmusic.com/tech.htm > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info <========== N E W > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:25:17 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I just made an error, in the effort to link the fruitcake Lazar to "The Weaponeer [*]" Szilard ... anyway, the book did note a certain *kind* of connection, although not mentioned *specifically* between the two of them, as part of a larger stratum of professionals (and/or fruitcakes .-) * Sagan's Petroleum (British) System documentary of that name, pluralized; Leo was his meantor! thus quoth: Szilard," unless you're deliberately making a pun. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, [Sir] GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:32:33 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I was lying in the prior sentence, when i said that I was *not* a lying mofo; really, honestly!... *thith* statment is unprovable, and that'th the truth-th-th-th. well, just make sure that *your* dog doesn't eat *his* notes, so you'll have some from Kinko's. thus saith: as for "randomes, patent pending," forget it!... but it just sounds like mental molestation, at this juncture; what school does he go to, and will you get a report, back? --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, [Sir] GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:43:57 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: in interesting experiment In-Reply-To: <20030118161100.21599.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Great idea Dick. Do you have a link to one I can look at? > From: Dick Fischbeck > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:11:00 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: in interesting experiment > > --- Leifur Thor wrote: >> I'm just tease Quincy because he makes no sense to me >> (must be over my >> head), and he likes to type a lot. >> >> Thanks for the input Mark. I'm formulating a class of >> sorts that will >> involve building some stuff including a geodesic dome. >> >> I'm all ears for ideas of what kind of geodesic you all >> think we should have >> kids build. >> Big? >> small? >> permanent? >> temporary? >> useful, like in as a shelter for a homeless person? >> what materials should we use? >> Any suggestions for donars for this project? > > Randomes would hold the kids interest because they could > understand them intuitively. An fifth grade boy I work with > just built 75 cm paper ball. It had approximately 200 > vertex elements. That's bigger than a 4 frequency icosa. > It took him about 4 hours of cutting and stapling. He's > never even heard of trig. It's beautiful. He can't wait > until Monday to show his class! Now he wants to build one > for the back yard, a club house for him and his buddies. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:22:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: How to make a dome starting with 2x4's and pvc pipe hubs Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pacific High School's web site: http://www.tdl.com/~crichard/phs/ ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: re: How to make a dome starting with 2x4's and pvc pipe hubs > From: domeman@uswest.net > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:16:07 -0700 > > Ernie, went looking for Pacific High School in domebook 2. > cant find it. I wish I had a scanner, to post some of this > stuff. I found the following pages, while looking for the > high school (For those of us who are lucky enough to have > dome book 2) > pages 3,21,23,24,39,40,51,52,57,61,66 and 119 all show > examples of domes built with pipe/strap hubs. > Loren > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:12:14 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Subject: Re: TECHNOLOGY- Harmos Steel Guitars In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable He quincy cubed, =20 I do all the doctoring on this list, so carefuyl when you go diagnosing people. Could get you in more hot heavy water with the fda and state licensing boards Dr molleja,=20 They know me in tampoca............. El 18/1/03 22:52, "Quincy Quincy Quincy" escribi=F3: > hemp is for haemaorrhoids, not abdominal cramping; > it's a plant, Stupid (not an economy ... unless > you're a Rastafarian in Jamaica, in which case > it might be your "hole" economy .-) > as for believing in "Dick" and his alleged "randomes," > you must be as much of a doofus in geometry as he is. >=20 > thus quoth: > Please do not mention that any of the materials necessary to build > these units can be made from hemp products, as that would cause Quincy > abdominal cramping, forcing him to cease ox-cart training and the resulti= ng > flatulence might cause high velocity cranial ejection. > Though that result just might allow for him to not see only > "hemorrhoid" whenever he reads hemp related texts. Not to mention Nu-clea= r > thinking and a warming of his cranial globe. >=20 > --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): > Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? > "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) > http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:28:51 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Do-no-van Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed does not mean "the car Jesus would be using this days" Donovan was a singer that would be singing this days: Frank is mad about Quincy Quincy is mad about Dick but what worries me is that Fuller was not mad about T. de Chardin and T. de Chardin was not mad about him and lately Nader is not mad about Nash and John Forbes Nash is not mad about him or BFI.org mad about Nader could anybody comment http://www.counterpunch.org/nader01202003.html ? could this be close to the "weaponry towards livingry" analysis? Gerardo García Tampico, México PS. Frank, "molleja" is no so Spanish-universally used. Here, it only means a part of the chicken digestive system, and some people find it tasteful. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:10:43 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Subject: Re: Do-no-van In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ancient Chinese saying: when people nearly agree on a radical=20 position, small differences assume huge significance! Could anyone comment? Bob Sanderson >does not mean "the car Jesus would be using this days" > >Donovan was a singer that would be singing this days: > >Frank is mad about Quincy >Quincy is mad about Dick > >but what worries me is that Fuller was not mad about T. de Chardin >and T. de Chardin was not mad about him > >and lately > >Nader is not mad about Nash >and John Forbes Nash is not mad about him > >or BFI.org mad about Nader > >could anybody comment > >http://www.counterpunch.org/nader01202003.html ? > >could this be close to the "weaponry towards livingry" analysis? > >Gerardo Garc=EDa >Tampico, M=E9xico > >PS. Frank, "molleja" is no so Spanish-universally used. Here, it only >means a part of the chicken digestive system, and some people find it >tasteful. > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:57:25 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Do-no-van Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Bob >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Do-no-van Recent Chinese saying (supposedly Jiang Ze Min told Bush: "nuke the Afghans" after 11/9/01): at (http://www.counterpunch.org/boylenukes.html) search "nuke" in the left side of the page. A radical position, big difference, almost the same significance. Gerardo García Tampico, México PS. C'mon Quincy, don't say I'm not on your side with this one. I will even demonstrate: One peaceful world, one megadome science!!! >Ancient Chinese saying: when people nearly agree on a radical position, >small differences assume huge significance! > >Could anyone comment? > >Bob Sanderson > >>does not mean "the car Jesus would be using this days" >> >>Donovan was a singer that would be singing this days: >> >>Frank is mad about Quincy >>Quincy is mad about Dick >> >>but what worries me is that Fuller was not mad about T. de Chardin >>and T. de Chardin was not mad about him >> >>and lately >> >>Nader is not mad about Nash >>and John Forbes Nash is not mad about him >> >>or BFI.org mad about Nader >> >>could anybody comment >> >>http://www.counterpunch.org/nader01202003.html ? >> >>could this be close to the "weaponry towards livingry" analysis? >> >>Gerardo García >>Tampico, México >> >>PS. Frank, "molleja" is no so Spanish-universally used. Here, it only >>means a part of the chicken digestive system, and some people find it >>tasteful. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:57:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: in interesting experiment In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Go to: http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?Page=5 http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?Page=6 http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?Page=7 All there is to know is 720/n=alpha aand, 360/(n-2)=beta. Alpha is the angular deficit, or curvature at the vertex. N is the number of vertexes. Beta is the solid angle of a face. Dick --- Leifur Thor wrote: > Great idea Dick. Do you have a link to one I can look at? > > > Randomes would hold the kids interest because they > could > > understand them intuitively. An fifth grade boy I work > with > > just built 75 cm paper ball. It had approximately 200 > > vertex elements. That's bigger than a 4 frequency > icosa. > > It took him about 4 hours of cutting and stapling. He's > > never even heard of trig. It's beautiful. He can't wait > > until Monday to show his class! Now he wants to build > one > > for the back yard, a club house for him and his > buddies. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:33:55 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Do-no-van MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/03 5:58:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, garciacabrero@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > http://www.counterpunch.org/nader01202003.html ? > Garcia, I read the linked article and also read the 3 other articles concerning nukes and did not find the referred to request from Jiang Ze Min either on the 1st page or the other 3. If Jiang said it, he fuggin' nutz, considering the location of China in reference to Afghanistan. Send me the link if you have it. As far as the article itself, contemplation of the use of nuclear weapons once you own them is to be expected of the military brass. Ditto a redo once the military, who have to contemplate such madness. Stuff like this can be released for spin control, sort of like a controlled burn in front of a forest fire, taking up a few writers time writing and readers time reading. Watch the left hand, while the right hand does..... or, there's too much noise about these subjects so let's give 'em this to.... or, "our survey says" thumbs up or down It does not make it any less reprehensible or illegal, along with the potential for opening the same type of contemplations by the "other" side. For anyone to think that these conversations and contemplations have not gone on behind closed doors is denial or ignorance. All the more so when one reviews the attitude brought to the table just by the military/Intel crew that helped China, the British , & the Dutch push Japan into a corner, then purposely fail to inform the Pearl Harbor commanders that the Japanese were about to strike. To further reveal the wall of madness in a nuclear age, contemplate the fact that Ho Chi Minh approached Truman in the late 40's after helping the US fight the Japanese, asking for help in removing colonial France, while promising a Vietnamese Declaration of Independance based on the USA's. Instead of aiding the Vietnamese, we funded the French, to the tune of Billions per annum, in their war to prevent Vietnamese independance, while Air Force Intel Gen Ed Lansdale forcibly moved 1-2 million plus from "North" to "South" Vietnam (reinforcing our creation of N & S) and setting up our puppet Diem. He essentially teed up 'Nam like a golf game, using techniques he made famous in the Phillipines and other places. The Vietnamese were natural enemies of the Chinese & were only pushed to communism (& never entirely), by our back stabbing actions. 58,000 dead, 300,000 wounded, and 150,000 post war suicides, along with 3 million Vietnamese dead, a lasting environmental legacy of Agent Orange, Kissinger's carpet bombing of Cambodia, CIA turbo charging the Laotian criminal syndicates through the heroin trade (up 3000%) (often shipping it in the body cavities of our dead to the US - Ref. our highest decorated ever Green Beret, Col. "Bo" Gritz) The purpose there was to create stateside addicts, in order to sabotage the anti-war movement. In the face of potential nuclear madness, the actions of our military elite offer no surprise at all in a news release like this, when measured on a continual line from long past. There is little consideration of our Armed Forces lives, nor ultimately our citizenry and the psychological/spiritual health of the nation is devastated, ready to be manipulated, according to formulas existing for centuries. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:10:37 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: in interesting experiment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quincy, I'm concerned about you, brother. Your ramblin', & sound stressed Pull up a chair, grab some herb, roll one up N' chill, dude Waddya think, Dr. Molleja? Good presricption? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:40:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: buckminster fuller ebay auction Comments: To: m x MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel, See http://www.buckminster.info//Biblio/About-Articles-1981.htm (scroll down to May 1). I appreciate your feedback. I only have a fraction of all the 5,000+ articles about Bucky. To search my website go to the bottom of my home page. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "m x" To: Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: buckminster fuller ebay auction > With all the other great info you have on your website, I thought you might be interested in this ebay auction which is a 1981 copy of high times magazine with a bucky interview in it. I looked around on your site but did not find this mentioned. And, no I am not the seller, just a person interested in bucky and his ideas. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2906975887 > > Sincerely, > Daniel Jackson > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:31:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: berlin calls Comments: To: einar thorsteinn Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable berlin callsEinar, I think he is talking about American Ingenuity = (http://www.aidomes.com/). I like them because their domes can't burn, = rot, or be eaten by bugs. (Only dome manufacturer in the world as far = as I know that can make this claim.) But their product does have to be = assembled with equipment that can handle the weight & finished by pros. = The dome was designed for high humidity environments with problems of = rot & bugs. (And hurricanes in the Southeast USA.) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: einar thorsteinn=20 To: Joe S Moore=20 Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:53 AM Subject: berlin calls Thanks Joe, what do you think of this one: Svara p=F3sti Svara =F6llum =C1framsenda Ey=F0a=20 Sko=F0a haus =20 Fr=E1: "Thomas R. Grady" Til: kingdome@mmedia.is Titill: seeking advice for a dome structure church building. Dagsetning: 18-01-2003 22:03 Vi=F0hengi 1 [unknown] text/PLAIN 2 kb Hi, I am surfing the web under "dome structures" and came upon your = site. A local church has asked me to serve as the general contractor for = them in building a geodesic dome structure. They found a company in Florida which sells kits for the 40' diameter dome they have selected. I saw a model of = one such dome neqrby to my office, and am frankly unimpressed. The seams between the exterior concrete panels have to be cemented in after the dome is erected, and then painted. It looked uneven and amateurish. I'm thinking that maybe there is a company which would make sip = panel domes, leaving an exterior surface of wood that could have styrofoam bonded to it and over which a finish such as STO or DRYVIT could be applied. ? I would apreciate you assistance and direction, for a fee if you = wish. Please contact by e-mail or call: Tom Grady 1829 Northwood Blvd. Royal Oak, MI 48073 USA gradytj@yahoo.com 248-399-7062 Thanks -------------------------------------------------------- Margmi=F0lun hf. - =FEj=F3nusta vi=F0 silfur- og = gull=E1skrifendur =ED s=EDma 575 7070 og =E1 netfanginu hjalp@mi.is. Fr=ED- og brons=E1skrifendur hringja =ED 908 2626, 99,90 = kr/m=EDn=FAtan. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:53:12 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: in interesting experiment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quincy, Amorphus references to a question I haven't yet heard with an assumptive "only the knowing" blurb concerning an agricultural wisdom that may or may not be, Has that question lost it's magic that you cannot voice it now? Thrice I've said I'd field it *immediately* As I do again, now quatro Thrice you've returned your (B)elief (S)ystem Now that it's 4, will I have to ask more? Does this "SuperKaliFragilListIck" question change or affect the following? 1. Henry Ford's 1935 "car from the ground" - Body panels, seats, dash, glass, carpet made from hemp fibers and/or resins with 1935 plastics technology Ford of Europe and Mercedes currently studying utilisation of hemp in their future cars. Add in the methanol, diesel, and motor oil possibilites. 2. The hemp jeans, shirts, shoes, sails, socks, lingerie; and in general clothing that historically and in the now can be purchased readily. 3. The food value represented with perfect amino acid protein profile (it & Quinoa the only plants to display same), it's perfect balance of Omega 3 fatty acids, as stated by Udo Erasmus, considered the world authority on fats for the body, adequate chloryphyl & fiber 4. The building materials that are already available for purchase in many countries; insulation, fiberboard, paints, paper, shingles, (hemp plastic)2 x 4's, carpet. 5. That the plant is naturally pest & weed resistant, does not have Kudzo root side effects, and replaces nutrients in the soil that many of the staple crops remove. 6. With the pyroletic plants, power. Let's see, food, fuel, clothing, housing, power, and across the board, low cost farm benefits. Sounds like an economy to me. The type the dominators would hate to see most of all. Local communities, becoming capable of supplying their own needs. "Decentralisation" vs. the dominator "depend on me-we got you by the short hairs" centralisation I simply request a reiterration of the question for my benefit and for those of the board. Waddup? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:49:59 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: dome_financing Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Financing Your Dome by American Ingenuity (Microsoft Word doc; 21 pages) http://www.aidomes.com/dome_financing.doc =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:15:52 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: in interesting experiment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, Have smaller projects for younger kids and return each year (every other?) and up the ante (size) of the products. The Annenburg Foundation's main focus is on education. Here is one group that used challenge money to build a home. http://myschoolonline.com/site/0,1876,33082-3549-35-248,00.html I couldn't find my link for the Annenberg foundation from my favorites, though I Know it's there. If you can't find it on a search engine, let me know. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:12:39 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: in interesting experiment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those interested in the economic benefits of the hemp plant see the following articles: Popular Mechanics, February 1938, p ?, "New Billion-Dollar Crop". San Diego Earth Times, July 1996, p ?, "Hemp: New Look at an Ancient Resource". San Jose (CA) Mercury News, April 1990, p 4-B, "What Can Save the Earth? A Small, Green Plant". The Hemp Industries Association has a website at http://thehia.org/ ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stehly" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: Re: in interesting experiment (snip) > 1. Henry Ford's 1935 "car from the ground" - Body panels, seats, > dash, glass, carpet made from hemp fibers and/or resins with 1935 plastics > technology > Ford of Europe and Mercedes currently studying utilisation of > hemp in their future cars. Add in the methanol, diesel, and motor oil > possibilites. > > 2. The hemp jeans, shirts, shoes, sails, socks, lingerie; and in > general clothing that historically and in the now can be purchased readily. > > 3. The food value represented with perfect amino acid protein > profile (it & Quinoa the only plants to display same), it's perfect balance > of Omega 3 fatty acids, as stated by Udo Erasmus, considered the world > authority on fats for the body, adequate chloryphyl & fiber > > 4. The building materials that are already available for > purchase in many countries; insulation, fiberboard, paints, paper, shingles, > (hemp plastic)2 x 4's, carpet. > > 5. That the plant is naturally pest & weed resistant, does not > have Kudzo root side effects, and replaces nutrients in the soil that many of > the staple crops remove. > > 6. With the pyroletic plants, power. > > Let's see, food, fuel, clothing, housing, power, and across the > board, low cost farm benefits. Sounds like an economy to me. The type the > dominators would hate to see most of all. Local communities, becoming capable > of supplying their own needs. > > "Decentralisation" vs. the dominator "depend on me-we got you by > the short hairs" centralisation > > I simply request a reiterration of the question for my benefit and > for those of the board. Waddup? > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:22:47 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: in interesting experiment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all, Thought for today. http://yonip.com/peace/vietnam.htm Let's see, organising & empowering blacks, minorities, and all people. Speaking out convincingly and powerfully against the manufactured war. That's why this happened. http://www.realhistoryarchives.com/collections/assassinations/mlk.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:48:07 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: in interesting experiment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Joe Here we hear from the late stoner Terence McKenna on the mathematics he divined from the I Ching. Q-bert ;-), take note stoner does not necessarily equal stupid. http://www.levity.com/eschaton/waveexplain.html http://www.deoxy.org/mckenna.htm#tz Among other things, what Terence discovered (whilst high) was the same timeline rythyms that are enscribed on the Mayan temples(that accurately predicted the early 90's total eclipse over Mexico) are/were likewise, albeit hidden, in the I-Ching. All religions have a set of gematria. Here is the genuine Old Testament set http://www.meru.org/ The grid in architecture encoding advanced physics, right in front of humanities eyes all these centuries here---> http://pyramidmatrix.com/ N' those crafty's thought putting the pyramid on the back of the dollar bill would keep us in line via the collective unconscious. Huh! Thanks for links, Joe. I recommend this woman's site. So good the FBI stole her computer at one point. The Rocky-fella's (et al ad naseum)corporate police acting in support of the prohibition for toxic oil, bio-chem, and plastics profits. http://www.hempforus.com/reseaag5.htm http://www.hempforus.com/17.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:28:18 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post In-Reply-To: <17e.15817870.2b5e1707@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit To the point- Lecturing is out for teaching Synergy, ephemeralization, push pull technology etc. Too linear, slow and outdated. Winning solution- -web site with viewable and downloadable programs (projects) for students of varying ages. -the students teach each other the above concepts through hands on projects -Easy for teachers to understand and direct -opportunity for students to showcase their work in design science They can learn how to- =build domes =understand energetic geometry =study and research world resources =teach others of equal or lower age how to learn same =learn how to think in new and different ways i.e.: practice initiative Also place where organizations and companies practicing design science can show how this material is relevant to our world now Long term offering opportunity to match those who are learning (becoming design scientists) with those organizations/companies needing design scientists. ability to focus on both sides better to match people to organizations/companies ---------THE POINT OF THIS POST---------- Does anyone know of anyone or any sites already doing this? I'd hate to recreate the wheel... If you know of anyone doing this now, please reply with links or any info thanks! Leifur ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:44:31 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Subject: Re: in interesting experiment In-Reply-To: <54.7ce0925.2b5df80d@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Molleja say, best thing for ole quince cubed be, Cardiovascular exercise, fresh mountain (not heavy) water, ( not coors niether), and maybe some emerson, when he gits too lonely. =20 El 21/1/03 02:10, "Mark Stehly" escribi=F3: > Quincy, > I'm concerned about you, brother. > Your ramblin', > & sound stressed >=20 > Pull up a chair, grab some herb, roll one up N' chill, dude >=20 > Waddya think, Dr. Molleja? Good presricption? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:11:59 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: berlin calls In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aren't there any aluminum domes? Or don't they fit the criteria? Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > berlin callsEinar, > > I think he is talking about American Ingenuity > (http://www.aidomes.com/). I like them because their > domes can't burn, rot, or be eaten by bugs. (Only dome > manufacturer in the world as far as I know that can make > this claim.) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:51:23 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Do-no-van Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Mark Stehly >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Do-no-van >Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:33:55 EST Mark, have you ever tried to get a response from Ralph Nader www site, out of questions apart from their own programs? I read counterpunch.org because I don´t pay for it. The article about Jiang Ze Min was one that would cost you to subscribe (?) or some other money. I do not know. For me it makes sense: after 09/11/2001, the Chinese would not be a precocious ejaculators adhering Bush' consensus (as was the former Mexican foreign affairs minister, or Blair in GB). I feel that it is the kind of response of a power that had such a grip on Hong Kong decades before it was given back from the British, and a power that (suspectedly) had illegally contributed to both democrats and republicans presidential campaigns in 1996. No doubt that there was a space era mediator in the senatorial hearings that suposedly wanted to derail Clinton: Mr. John Glenn. Mark, I do not feel that the problem is the people with the weapons in the hands, it is us that battle so much trying to agree on something. Regards Gerardo García Tampico, México >In a message dated 1/20/03 5:58:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, >garciacabrero@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > > http://www.counterpunch.org/nader01202003.html ? > > > >Garcia, > > I read the linked article and also read the 3 other articles >concerning >nukes and did not find the referred to request from Jiang Ze Min either on >the 1st page or the other 3. > > If Jiang said it, he fuggin' nutz, considering the location of China >in >reference to Afghanistan. Send me the link if you have it. > > As far as the article itself, contemplation of the use of nuclear >weapons once you own them is to be expected of the military brass. Ditto a >redo once the military, who have to contemplate such madness. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:53:24 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Tensegrity Guide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I revised my Tensegrity Guide excerpt so it's a little more accessible to browsers that can't handle MathML (seems like most everything except Mozilla 1.1 and its derivatives, e.g. Netscape 7.0). The new link is http://bobwb.tripod.com/tenseg/book/cover.html. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:32:28 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ** yours, "Brother." listen, "man:" there's a very simple way to avoid the form of *ad-hominemania*, and that is to always present an example of wht you refer to -- at least one. otherwise, if you can't take the fire, get out of the God-am kitchen. thank you! thus quoth: I'm concerned about you, brother. Your ramblin', NB: no forward to Synergeo-l, because Kirby removed me for "multiple netiquette violations" -- it's the law, apparently!... OK, I wouldn't have forwarded it to the other list, since it was nothing but a reply to a fluff-head. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:44:16 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed dude, I don't have a copy of the book (because my own callousness at the event got my boughten copy, stolen; c'est la vie), so I can't say what edition that *you* might have, but if it was published before last year, you should be able to find it ... might have to cut-back on the number and/or depth of the bong-hitting, though. anyway, that copy *I think* had the same back-of-the-book "offer" of (and it may have been increased, again, because this is just the last figure that I heard on KPFK-FM, on a "hemp night," which is always a Monday or Tuesday (which latter is always a "health night") $40K. since there was more than one thing that I'd found (although the one that I brought to "Some Things Happenning" is the only one that I recall, now) in the book that was "short of the absolute truth," any thing that you find will be acceptable. also, there's a nasty political one, not really nasty, except "by association." oh, and, truthfully, I don't *know* that a hemp puoltice will do *any* thing for haemarrhoids, but that could be a good, "high" school science project for you (or "Dick" -- any thing to get him away from phony geometry .-) --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:26:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: berlin calls MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops. I was thinking only of residential domes. Yes, commercial domes made out of metal would meet the criteria. Wish some were available for homes. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <========== N E W Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Fischbeck" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: Re: berlin calls > Aren't there any aluminum domes? Or don't they fit the > criteria? > > Dick > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > berlin callsEinar, > > > > I think he is talking about American Ingenuity > > (http://www.aidomes.com/). I like them because their > > domes can't burn, rot, or be eaten by bugs. (Only dome > > manufacturer in the world as far as I know that can make > > this claim.) > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:33:36 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Eisenhowers Commentary on our Current Situation Comments: To: Darcy Knight , "Collette (E-mail)" , "DAN KALENAK (E-mail)" , "D Tillery (E-mail)" , "Doug Massey (E-mail)" , "Eric Kalenak at Home (E-mail)" , "Eva Lois At School (E-mail)" , "Harry Shearer (E-mail)" , "Janis C. Test (E-mail)" , "Jill Allen (E-mail)" , "John Curtis (E-mail)" , "Justin Zatovich (E-mail)" , "Lane Salvato (E-mail)" , "Leifur Thor (E-mail)" , "Leslie Libby at work (E-mail)" , "Liz & VanHoffman (E-mail)" , "Michael Hand (E-mail)" , "Phil Bedrick (E-mail)" , "PiperSurveyingCo@aol. com (E-mail)" , "Stacy Lee Pruit Johnston (E-mail)" , "Sean Fields (E-mail)" , "Steve Baker (E-mail)" , "Steve Miller (E-mail)" , "Susie Whitman (E-mail)" , "Tom Pitt at work (E-mail)" , "Ward Whitfield (E-mail)" , "Windstar - Jim McMillan (E-mail)" , "Debra DAy (E-mail 2)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961 Public Papers of the Presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960, p. 1035- 1040 My fellow Americans: Three days from now, after half a century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor. This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen. Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all. Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on issues of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the Nation. My own relations with the Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and, finally, to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years. In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the national good rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the Nation should go forward. So, my official relationship with the Congress ends in a feeling, on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together. II. We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment. III. Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad. Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology -- global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger is poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle -- with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment. Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research -- these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel. But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs -- balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage -- balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration. The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well, in the face of stress and threat. But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. I mention two only. IV. A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea. Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations. This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades. In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government. Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society. V. Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow. VI. Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect. Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield. Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war -- as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years -- I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight. Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road. VII. So -- in this my last good night to you as your President -- I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future. You and I -- my fellow citizens -- need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nation's great goals. To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing aspiration: We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:10:56 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blair Wolfram Subject: Re: berlin calls MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, Dome Incorporated manufactures steel frame domes suitable for homes. Our unique claim. www.domeincorporated.com Blair > Oops. I was thinking only of residential domes. Yes, commercial domes made > out of metal would meet the criteria. Wish some were available for homes. > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info <========== N E W > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: berlin calls > > > Aren't there any aluminum domes? Or don't they fit the > > criteria? > > > > Dick > > > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > > berlin callsEinar, > > > > > > I think he is talking about American Ingenuity > > > (http://www.aidomes.com/). I like them because their > > > domes can't burn, rot, or be eaten by bugs. (Only dome > > > manufacturer in the world as far as I know that can make > > > this claim.) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:58:23 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Confirm Comments: To: ToMarsMark@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed as a self-described "stoner," you betray that particular method ... maybe that's why Dick never found the Genitialia on Mars (what a load o'piss that guy is, with his silly "monuments" .-) in other words, the "findings that you guys have are simply akin to the "ideograms" that one finds in the clouds, looking "up," or in a Rorschach blot ... chemical acoutrements can really help, via synesthesia! another, recondite example is "chemtrails," which are indystinguishable from water clouds --as a matter of fact, since highlighted by their absence after 9/11, virtually all clouds o'er the USA have been seeded by jetcraft-- but probably have their genesis in folks who *used* to look "down" at funny white lines; dig it? I'm also very chary of Arguelles and his ****, which is just a lot of prettied-up, and very simple math (modular arithmetic; see Fermat, please, and don't bother me til you've at least *tried* to grok it). oops; viz your "timewave" etc. and his. as for Lyn and "ONI," go back under the rock that you dug out from under; sheesh & shat ever!... if you're referring to the lingam and the yoni, this is a family venue!... anyway, the Birch Society has been taken-over by the British, just like the Coors Foundation (now, "Heritage"), when they were used to trash Lyn and co., along with the ADL using the same "report!" --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX > If I understand you correctly, I'll have to discover if I can >contribute without a foil. > I know you put a lot into it. > Do check out the pyramid matrix (.com) it's the real deal, math >wise. I >know he doesn't directly link to crop circles, which I've only read >superficially. >http://pyramidmatrix.com/ > Did you catch my last post relating to Terence McKenna and Timewave >zero, extracted from the King Wen sequence of the I-Ching. The "timewave" >matches the rhythms of time encoded on the Mayan pyramids that accurately >predicted to the (hour/day) the total solar eclipse over Mexico City in >199(1)(?). > Two cultures, same knowledge, long forgotten, rediscovered by a stoner >(no kiddin' - guess I got ya' one last time). HREF="http://www.levity.com/eschaton/waveexplain.html"> >http://www.levity.com/eschaton/waveexplain.html > HREF="http://www.deoxy.org/mckenna.htm#tz">http://www.deoxy.org/mckenna.htm#tz > When one door closes, others open. > Be careful with LaRouche, I'm not at liberty to repeat from whom I >received the information, so you'll have to take this with a grain of salt; >the Birch & Commie histories' pale to the far lesser known ONI grooming. > Peace, > > Mark _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 03:54:51 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed PLYDOMES, DEFINITELY -- so that you'll finally have to deal with the hoary subject o'shingling. not that you were lying, of course, "Dick!" thus quoth: >>Thanks for the input Mark. I'm formulating a class of >>sorts that will >>involve building some stuff including a geodesic dome. >> >>I'm all ears for ideas of what kind of geodesic you all >>think we should have >>kids build. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:15:12 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Subject: Re: Eisenhowers Commentary on our Current Situation In-Reply-To: <2F175DC588EFD211B37C0060088FAC39313B5D@pscserver3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Tony Thanks for submitting Eisenhower's farewell address to the Geodesic listserve. I intend to forward it to the local newspaper. Bob Sanderson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:03:22 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: Eisenhowers Commentary on our Current Situation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob, I'm glad you appreciate it. I know it is a bit "off topic" for the list., But I consider the group a body of free-thinkers who might appreciate some historical perspective. Bucky advocated getting away from "Killingry" and devoting more resources to "Livingry". Eisenhower's speech outlines some of the difficulties we face in that regard. -Tony. -----Original Message----- From: Bob [mailto:megadome@MEGANET.NET] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:15 AM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Eisenhowers Commentary on our Current Situation Tony Thanks for submitting Eisenhower's farewell address to the Geodesic listserve. I intend to forward it to the local newspaper. Bob Sanderson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:24:59 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Eisenhowers Commentary on our Current Situation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, Thanks for the post on Ike. We can even travel farther back in time to discover other prominant Americans wrting & speaking forcefully about the hidden from *plain* sight profiteers & empire builders residing within these borders. Another succinct and pointed indictment of the military war machine comes from, of all sources, Major General Smedley Butler, the Marine's Marine. At the end of his career, which through the first quarter century of the 20th century saw Gen Butler participate in every major conflict the USA was involved in, he wrote "War Is A Racket", offering it as a guide for a society to use in the exposing of the war profiteers. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html It is a short read and all the more powerful for it. Mark Twain hails from a few generations earlier and has a long list of essays, speeches and treatises on the subject. http://www.boondocksnet.com/sys/ads/vclick250x250pop.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:49:36 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: berlin calls In-Reply-To: <3E2DE190.626096BD@domeincorporated.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Blair Yeah but... What about the OSB sheathing? Can you point me to the all metal dome on the site? Is Joe right that there are no metal residential geodesic structures? If so, I'd sure like to be the one to change that! regards Dick --- Blair Wolfram wrote: > Joe, Dome Incorporated manufactures steel frame domes > suitable for homes. Our > unique claim. > www.domeincorporated.com > Blair > > > > > Oops. I was thinking only of residential domes. Yes, > commercial domes made > > out of metal would meet the criteria. Wish some were > available for homes. > > > > ============================== > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://buckminster.info <========== N E W > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > > ============================= > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:11 AM > > Subject: Re: berlin calls > > > > > Aren't there any aluminum domes? Or don't they fit > the > > > criteria? > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > > > berlin callsEinar, > > > > > > > > I think he is talking about American Ingenuity > > > > (http://www.aidomes.com/). I like them because > their > > > > domes can't burn, rot, or be eaten by bugs. (Only > dome > > > > manufacturer in the world as far as I know that can > make > > > > this claim.) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:00:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: in interesting experiment In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is what operational mathematics is all about. Nicely put. Bucky said the same thing. Example: Make models. --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > always present an example of wht you refer to -- > at least one. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:35:50 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: might be important Comments: To: sphere , synergeo Comments: cc: cheap shelter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:38:16 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: alpha== Comments: To: sphere , synergeo Comments: cc: cheap shelter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii n=alpha/beta+2 where alpha is the angular deficit of the vertex and beta is the solid angle associated with that angle. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:56:21 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: n=alpha/beta+2 Comments: To: sphere , synergeo Comments: cc: cheap shelter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii N=alpha/2beta+2 where alpha is the angular deficit of the vertex and beta is the solid angle associated with that vertex. N is the number of vertexes Tet- alpha=180 degrees, beta=~328.4 Octa- alpha=120 degrees, beta=90 degrees Icosa- alpha=60 degrees, beta=190.3 degrees This ain't right but it is on the track. More to come. Regards Dick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:53:06 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Eisenhowers Commentary on our Current Situation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Tony Kalenak >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Eisenhowers Commentary on our Current Situation >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:03:22 -0600 I don't think it is "off topic", it is exemplary in the sense that the military people won't accept a volatile pension fund scehema for their space era millionaire life style forever grant. They need more security, but Quincy won't tell me what is the amount needed to retire them. Time is the remedy for evertything, and time transformed Eisenhower's words into poetry. Gerardo García Tampico, México >Bob, >I'm glad you appreciate it. I know it is a bit "off topic" for the list., >But I consider the group a body of free-thinkers who might appreciate some >historical perspective. >Bucky advocated getting away from "Killingry" and devoting more resources >to "Livingry". >Eisenhower's speech outlines some of the difficulties we face in that >regard. > >-Tony. > > > -----Original Message----- >From: Bob [mailto:megadome@MEGANET.NET] >Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:15 AM >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Eisenhowers Commentary on our Current Situation > >Tony > >Thanks for submitting Eisenhower's farewell address to the Geodesic >listserve. I intend to forward it to the local newspaper. > >Bob Sanderson _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:28:02 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed in days of old, this is a program of "classical" education, as instituted by the Brothers of the Common Life -- some where in Europe -- and producing such as . a good example was l'Ecole Polytechnique, as developed by Carnot et Monge (Carnot is also known as the "Angel of Victory" for his organizing under Napoleon, not that he was himself an imperialist Yahoo! (tm), by any means). of course, the best proponents of this that I know of, is the National Caucus of Labor Committees and the Schiller Inst. see http://www.schillerinstitute.org/ and http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/ -- please! --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:33:17 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed if you really want some exercise, come see me at the rings at (the original) Muscle Beach; the beach air is just fine, I guess, but watch-out for those tsunamis & hurricanes. I don't care for Emerson, although I found some cool excerpts from his private letters, because a) he wasn't anything like a "woodsman" as you'd think from _Walden_ (just read an article on that) and b) he was such a momma's boy (of course, I have been, as well .-) thus quoth: Cardiovascular exercise, fresh mountain (not heavy) water, ( not coors niether), and maybe some emerson, when he gits too lonely. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:46:44 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the date of the speech is ambiguous, there at the top. anyway, when he said this, he must have been aware that the 'WAND' Corp. had largely assumed this role of organizing the "MIC," probably now better-known as the "post-industrial, utopian, primitively accumulating complex of supranational one-world goment," or some thing. what is so hoary about this is, they have three very-recent boardmembers on the Cabinet (although the shuffling-off of the Chairman, O'Neill, to be replaced by the so-called "father of supply-side econ" is surely a dubious change). see the fall 2000 issue, online, of the *WAND Weview*, and know the true meaning of "ericblairian" doublespeak. thus quoth: toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:49:57 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blair Wolfram Subject: Re: berlin calls MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, our web site refers to coverings of galvanized sheet metal and copper, although they aren't priced. As you know, its all about the money. You can cover our steel frames with metal sheathing of several different grades. My engineer says concrete as well, but I'll stay away from concrete for now. Blair Dick Fischbeck wrote: > Hi Blair > > Yeah but... > What about the OSB sheathing? Can you point me to the all > metal dome on the site? Is Joe right that there are no > metal residential geodesic structures? If so, I'd sure like > to be the one to change that! > > regards > Dick > > --- Blair Wolfram wrote: > > Joe, Dome Incorporated manufactures steel frame domes > > suitable for homes. Our > > unique claim. > > www.domeincorporated.com > > Blair > > > > > > > > > Oops. I was thinking only of residential domes. Yes, > > commercial domes made > > > out of metal would meet the criteria. Wish some were > > available for homes. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Joe S Moore > > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > > http://buckminster.info <========== N E W > > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > > > ============================= > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:11 AM > > > Subject: Re: berlin calls > > > > > > > Aren't there any aluminum domes? Or don't they fit > > the > > > > criteria? > > > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > > > > berlin callsEinar, > > > > > > > > > > I think he is talking about American Ingenuity > > > > > (http://www.aidomes.com/). I like them because > > their > > > > > domes can't burn, rot, or be eaten by bugs. (Only > > dome > > > > > manufacturer in the world as far as I know that can > > make > > > > > this claim.) > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:56:44 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed please. don't pretend to be the Great Model Maker, from a fishing-trip on the web. at least, you've never given any indication of the viability of your "skunkworks" -like method of instantaneous models. go, Fischstichk! --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:54:02 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "little did he know" about the fascist coup taht Butler averted, from dumping FDR. here are a bunch of search-finds: http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=Smedley+Butler&sp-k=&sp-a=00062861-sp00000000 ... well, that probably wont work off of the site, since it seems to pan-out to that service, so, just do the search on www.larouchepub.com ("all of Lyn-pubs" .-) thus quoth: the end of his career, which through the first quarter century of the 20th century saw Gen Butler participate in every major conflict the USA was involved in, he wrote "War Is A Racket", offering it as a guide for a society --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:01:07 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: in interesting experiment Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops; you'd a\said, in reply to me about ad-hominem comments, that one *should* make models as well; and well taht you should! so, is this "cheap-shelter@Yahoo!s," another attempt to foist your so-called randomes? thus saith: please. don't pretend to be the Great Model Maker, from a fishing-trip on the web. at least, you've never given any indication of the viability of your "skunkworks" -like method of instantaneous models. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:40:20 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How did the Brothers of the Common Life fumble the successes of their collective Club of Cincinattus zeal? How did Shao Lin lose monks and at times collective directive beyond the chop wood, carry water poet warrior, lovingly examining/participating in all life? For the one a clue is held in the 2nd century St Augustine chronicalling the reports from recruiters of the 15 near identical pre existing messianic stories form V birth (with a star!) to up in 3 after a cross hanging always promising to return 5 centuries later it was considered news when another pointed it out Blasphemous enough to help start the crusades. Ah all those Messy-I-Ahs Ah, yeah...I'll be right back; Devil's in charge till then. See ya, remember we'll get 'em then. And no, there's no way you can be anywhere's close to where I was, so even when it's right in front of your face, you won't see it. The other often looks to the carrier of the message of the great void (in one version, BTW is one of those 15) Many lifetimes to journey, only a few break through at any one time. There's always another run around the Buddhic maypole of reincarnation. Acquiescence loses luminescence, and signals it's unheralded challenge by the mirror of erupting dysfunction I'm not even gonna get started on Quetzacotal Another mythologic symbolic puzzle Follwing the trail of the Joyce-cian riddle fundamentalists logic revealed as awfully brittle To bad for Jung he pulled back the curtain of mythos to reveal a flea circus with it's crack in the door letting in more light than the inhabitants were accustomed to and in his weekly readers for students ok'ing master race prudence unknowing dark mage or kow towing to the puppeters of the Mr. Mustache WW2 show Aided and abetted by Hoover & Prescott, the pair, whose accomplices thought Smedley would knock FDR off his chair ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:47:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed as I only barely understand it, Hoover was a vicitim of Coolidge's policies, although he always gets the blame from the "vast rightwing conmspiracy." so, I doubt if his "accomplices" were involved, although he may have been acquainted with some of them. nor is it neccesary to implicate Prescott Bush, just because his company dealt with the Nazis (that is, a subsidiary of Brown Bros., Harriman, the anglo-american & largest private bank on Earth, then. I didn't know about that stuff in Augustine, nor about the Club of Cincinattus. I had read of Jung's 'great white hope,' though, at Borders, when I also found the ersatz _Cracking the Bible Code_ by Satinover, the Dupe, in a book all-about that aspecy of Jung. thus quoth: and in his weekly readers for students ok'ing master race prudence unknowing dark mage or kow towing to the puppeters of the Mr. Mustache WW2 show Aided and abetted by Hoover & Prescott, the pair, whose accomplices thought Smedley would knock FDR off his chair --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:57:25 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed here's the footnote from http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2000/lar_baby_doomers_2728.html#fn0 [5] The coup project, exposed by Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler (USMC), was launched sometime between April-June 1933, and was to take place in either late 1934 or early 1935, using fascist paramilitary networks, armed through monies provided by individuals and organizations associated with the Morgan-Mellon-run American Liberty League. It was exposed by Butler in testimony before the House Un-American Activities Committee in November and December 1934. The coup project was not launched until after the failed February 1933 Miami assassination attempt on FDR, which killed Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak. See L. Wolfe, "Morgan's Fascist Plot Against the United States and How It Was Defeated," New Federalist, June 27, July 4, July 18, and July 25, 1994. thus quoth: whose accomplices thought Smedley would knock FDR off his chair --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:08:16 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Confirm Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed having just perused a bit of it, and seen other comments about it on sci.math, I feel sure that Bucky'd have owned this book. thus quoth: D'Arcy Wentworth Thompson: "On Growth and Form" (1917) After an introductory chapter on philosophy - ultimate causes, and that sort of thing - he begins as he intends to continue, with no hesitation about writing down equations. He deals first with the basic ideas of dimensions and scaling: Why do elephants have such thick legs in proportion to those of grasshoppers? Because weight scales with the third power of linear size, and the supporting strength of a bone scales with only the second power of its linear dimension (i.e. the cross- sectional area). At the other end of the scale, the form of cells and unicellular organisms can largely ignore gravity: here simple rules of geometry kick in to govern the shapes that objects form. He has a memorable section on gnomons, self-similar shapes typified by mollusc shells and curly rams' horns; as in so many cases, apparently unrelated items are in fact only mathematical variants on a theme. That is an extremely cursory skim over the themes of this book, but so many things fell into place once I had read it, that I would consider it the single most essential book in this list. After original publication in 1917, D'Arcy Thompson expanded the content in the second edition (1942). Then John Tyler Bonner produced the abridged version (only 330 pages) in 1992: this is the version I read (a few years back), and the one I would recommend. Review from http://imaginatorium.org/books/topten.htm#4 --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html ttp://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:53:27 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed as ERASMUS. a good example was l'Ecole Polytechnique, as developed by Carnot et Monge (Carnot is also known as the "Angel of Victory" for his organizing is the National Caucus of Labor Committees and the Schiller Inst. see http://www.schillerinstitute.org/ and http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/ -- please! --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:08:13 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Confirm Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed really, I had thought it was just a picture-book, all of these years! thus saith: having just perused a bit of it, and seen other comments about it on sci.math, I feel sure that Bucky'd have owned this book. thus quoth: D'Arcy Wentworth Thompson: "On Growth and Form" (1917) --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:12:25 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I still want to know, if "Confucius" (as Latinized) was a martial artist, or if the Taoists simply took him as a mascot, later. thus quoth: How did Shao Lin lose monks and at times collective directive beyond the chop wood, carry water poet warrior, lovingly --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis; so does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:25:48 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Far as I know, the Taoists embraced Confucious for the societal dialogue and citizen participation, as well as his living life poetic insights, yet somewhere along the line they got a little too drunk on their connection with nature and their effective exercises for imporoving health and body ecstasy (both baseline natural body chemical production, brain wave states, & in their art of nookie) to carry forward his governmental suggestions of continious interaction with and monitoring of those that are in charge. Seems like Ben Franklin's sage advice to the women meeting him outside of Independance Hall following Constitutional ratification "We have given you a Constitutional Republic Ma'am, if you can keep it." applies to the situation in more than one country. As a footnote, our governmental woes are matched tit for tat in China. During the late 1980's a ten year study was completed on the Chi Kung exercises that the Taoists (and others) have assembled and the equivalent of their Surgeon General made a public pronouncement that they were first class medicine; producing measurable results in immune system response, blood chemistry, neurochemistry, intelligence tests, brain wave activity, etc. Yet when Falun Gong became a little too political, being emboldened by their heightened state perhaps, the Chinese government was not amused their treatment has been abysmal, human rights wise. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:55:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Emailing: index Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pic of Expo '67 dome model from Your Private Sky exhibit: http://rtfm.bytecamp.net/~su/bucky/index.php?bild=3D04 -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:58:34 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Emailing: index Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pic of model of proposed Condo Dome from Your Private Sky exhibit: http://rtfm.bytecamp.net/~su/bucky/index.php?bild=3D08 -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:18:39 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I hope I'm putting this out there in good taste and within the format of this forum. That is if someone posts a subject, that anyone using that same subject line in any kind of a response make sure their post has some relevance to the post's subject... I posted a question with this subject some time ago, and have seen many emails with this subject line and no relevance at all to the original post. Is this List PC? Leif > From: Quincy Quincy Quincy > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:53:27 +0000 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of > this post > > as ERASMUS. a good example was l'Ecole Polytechnique, > as developed by Carnot et Monge (Carnot is also known > as the "Angel of Victory" for his organizing > > is the National Caucus of Labor Committees and > the Schiller Inst. see http://www.schillerinstitute.org/ and > http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/ -- please! > > --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): > Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? > "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) > http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:18:39 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Emailing: index In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Say Joe or anyone else who can answer this... What was the price tag of the Expo 67 dome? Breakdown of materials and labor would be good. Also, how long did it take to contruct? > From: Joe S Moore > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:55:56 -0700 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Emailing: index > > Pic of Expo '67 dome model from Your Private Sky exhibit: > > http://rtfm.bytecamp.net/~su/bucky/index.php?bild=04 > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:38:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Emailing: index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leifur, I've never seen those figures, but Bucky's two architectural partners should know where to get them. See: Shoji Sadao at http://www.noguchi.org/foundation.html (scroll down for email address) and Thomas T K Zung at http://www.spaceshipearth.org/ABOUTSE/thomas_zung.html For articles about Expo'67 go to the search function on the bottom of my home page. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leifur Thor" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:18 PM Subject: Re: Emailing: index > Say Joe or anyone else who can answer this... > > What was the price tag of the Expo 67 dome? > Breakdown of materials and labor would be good. > > Also, how long did it take to contruct? > > > From: Joe S Moore > > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:55:56 -0700 > > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Emailing: index > > > > Pic of Expo '67 dome model from Your Private Sky exhibit: > > > > http://rtfm.bytecamp.net/~su/bucky/index.php?bild=04 > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://buckminster.info > > ------------------------------------------- > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:44:17 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: Emailing: index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would like some constructions details, too. I even send a snail-mail request for such to BFI, but received no response. -Tony. -----Original Message----- From: Leifur Thor [mailto:lthor@EARTHLINK.NET] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 11:19 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Emailing: index Say Joe or anyone else who can answer this... What was the price tag of the Expo 67 dome? Breakdown of materials and labor would be good. Also, how long did it take to contruct? > From: Joe S Moore > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:55:56 -0700 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Emailing: index > > Pic of Expo '67 dome model from Your Private Sky exhibit: > > http://rtfm.bytecamp.net/~su/bucky/index.php?bild=04 > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:25:29 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit a minimal amount of cell size, like 2? Goal- to have ___ amount of cell sizes able to make domes of different sizes. this is in regard to a dome with no frame, just cells attached to one another. or is each dome individual in it's cell size. I know frequency plays in to this, but I'm not clear how. Any of you math wizes out there got an answer? Thanks ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:32:18 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Emailing: index In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey thanks Joe, oh great keeper of all Bucky knowledge :-) I'll look in to it. > From: Joe S Moore > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:38:36 -0700 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > Leifur, > > I've never seen those figures, but Bucky's two architectural partners should > know where to get them. See: > > Shoji Sadao at http://www.noguchi.org/foundation.html (scroll down for email > address) > and > Thomas T K Zung at http://www.spaceshipearth.org/ABOUTSE/thomas_zung.html > > For articles about Expo'67 go to the search function on the bottom of my > home page. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leifur Thor" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:18 PM > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > >> Say Joe or anyone else who can answer this... >> >> What was the price tag of the Expo 67 dome? >> Breakdown of materials and labor would be good. >> >> Also, how long did it take to contruct? >> >>> From: Joe S Moore >>> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >>> >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:55:56 -0700 >>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: Emailing: index >>> >>> Pic of Expo '67 dome model from Your Private Sky exhibit: >>> >>> http://rtfm.bytecamp.net/~su/bucky/index.php?bild=04 >>> >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> Joe S Moore >>> joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >>> http://buckminster.info >>> ------------------------------------------- >> ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:01:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Say more about this, Liefur. Say it 2 or three times and maybe I'll get it. It sounds interesting. What is a cell? Dick --- Leifur Thor wrote: > a minimal amount of cell size, like 2? > > Goal- > to have ___ amount of cell sizes able to make domes of > different sizes. this > is in regard to a dome with no frame, just cells attached > to one another. > > or is each dome individual in it's cell size. I know > frequency plays in to > this, but I'm not clear how. > > Any of you math wizes out there got an answer? > > Thanks __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:05:02 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Emailing: index In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A side note: Shoji Sadao said the other day, Bucky's estimates on projects were usually one tenth of the actual cost. It was a bit of a joke about Bucky, I guess. Dick --- Leifur Thor wrote: > Hey thanks Joe, oh great keeper of all Bucky knowledge > :-) I'll look in to > it. > > > From: Joe S Moore > > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster > Fuller's works > > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:38:36 -0700 > > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > > > Leifur, > > > > I've never seen those figures, but Bucky's two > architectural partners should > > know where to get them. See: > > > > Shoji Sadao at http://www.noguchi.org/foundation.html > (scroll down for email > > address) > > and > > Thomas T K Zung at > http://www.spaceshipearth.org/ABOUTSE/thomas_zung.html > > > > For articles about Expo'67 go to the search function on > the bottom of my > > home page. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Leifur Thor" > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:18 PM > > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > > > > >> Say Joe or anyone else who can answer this... > >> > >> What was the price tag of the Expo 67 dome? > >> Breakdown of materials and labor would be good. > >> > >> Also, how long did it take to contruct? > >> > >>> From: Joe S Moore > >>> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster > Fuller's works > >>> > >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > >>> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:55:56 -0700 > >>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>> Subject: Emailing: index > >>> > >>> Pic of Expo '67 dome model from Your Private Sky > exhibit: > >>> > >>> http://rtfm.bytecamp.net/~su/bucky/index.php?bild=04 > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------- > >>> Joe S Moore > >>> joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > >>> http://buckminster.info > >>> ------------------------------------------- > >> __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:19:27 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: <20030127200108.17257.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sure Dick, The cell is the area between the frame. I want to design a dome that uses a minimal amount of shape and size cells to create a mutiple choice of sizes of a dome one might wish to put together. sample: I want a dome of _______ width. To get this I'll need _______many of _____size cells, and ______many of the _______size cells. and then by joining them in ________pattern, I'll get the dome of the size I'm looking for. note- there is no frame prior to the cells installation. the cells by attaching to one another create the frame in the end. > From: Dick Fischbeck > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:01:08 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... > > Say more about this, Liefur. Say it 2 or three times and > maybe I'll get it. It sounds interesting. > > What is a cell? > > Dick > > --- Leifur Thor wrote: >> a minimal amount of cell size, like 2? >> >> Goal- >> to have ___ amount of cell sizes able to make domes of >> different sizes. this >> is in regard to a dome with no frame, just cells attached >> to one another. >> >> or is each dome individual in it's cell size. I know >> frequency plays in to >> this, but I'm not clear how. >> >> Any of you math wizes out there got an answer? >> >> Thanks > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:19:47 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Emailing: index In-Reply-To: <20030127200502.83734.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Now that sounds like Bucky LOL! > From: Dick Fischbeck > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:05:02 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > A side note: > Shoji Sadao said the other day, Bucky's estimates on > projects were usually one tenth of the actual cost. It was > a bit of a joke about Bucky, I guess. > > Dick > > --- Leifur Thor wrote: >> Hey thanks Joe, oh great keeper of all Bucky knowledge >> :-) I'll look in to >> it. >> >>> From: Joe S Moore >>> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster >> Fuller's works >>> >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:38:36 -0700 >>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: Re: Emailing: index >>> >>> Leifur, >>> >>> I've never seen those figures, but Bucky's two >> architectural partners should >>> know where to get them. See: >>> >>> Shoji Sadao at http://www.noguchi.org/foundation.html >> (scroll down for email >>> address) >>> and >>> Thomas T K Zung at >> http://www.spaceshipearth.org/ABOUTSE/thomas_zung.html >>> >>> For articles about Expo'67 go to the search function on >> the bottom of my >>> home page. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Leifur Thor" >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: Emailing: index >>> >>> >>>> Say Joe or anyone else who can answer this... >>>> >>>> What was the price tag of the Expo 67 dome? >>>> Breakdown of materials and labor would be good. >>>> >>>> Also, how long did it take to contruct? >>>> >>>>> From: Joe S Moore >>>>> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster >> Fuller's works >>>>> >>>>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>>>> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:55:56 -0700 >>>>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> Subject: Emailing: index >>>>> >>>>> Pic of Expo '67 dome model from Your Private Sky >> exhibit: >>>>> >>>>> http://rtfm.bytecamp.net/~su/bucky/index.php?bild=04 >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>> Joe S Moore >>>>> joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >>>>> http://buckminster.info >>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:26:10 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: Emailing: index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I can believe that. I venture to say, It is very hard to estimate R&D, which is what Bucky's projects were, generally. If you have something you have done a thousand times in the same way, then your estimates and scheduling can be very precise. If you are developing new technologies, then the unknown factors inherent to the process, make an estimate little more than an educated guess of what it will take to develop the artifact in question. And we all know how optimistic Fuller was. -Tony. -----Original Message----- From: Dick Fischbeck [mailto:dick_fischbeck@YAHOO.COM] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:05 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Emailing: index A side note: Shoji Sadao said the other day, Bucky's estimates on projects were usually one tenth of the actual cost. It was a bit of a joke about Bucky, I guess. Dick --- Leifur Thor wrote: > Hey thanks Joe, oh great keeper of all Bucky knowledge > :-) I'll look in to > it. > > > From: Joe S Moore > > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster > Fuller's works > > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:38:36 -0700 > > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > > > Leifur, > > > > I've never seen those figures, but Bucky's two > architectural partners should > > know where to get them. See: > > > > Shoji Sadao at http://www.noguchi.org/foundation.html > (scroll down for email > > address) > > and > > Thomas T K Zung at > http://www.spaceshipearth.org/ABOUTSE/thomas_zung.html > > > > For articles about Expo'67 go to the search function on > the bottom of my > > home page. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Leifur Thor" > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:18 PM > > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > > > > >> Say Joe or anyone else who can answer this... > >> > >> What was the price tag of the Expo 67 dome? > >> Breakdown of materials and labor would be good. > >> > >> Also, how long did it take to contruct? > >> > >>> From: Joe S Moore > >>> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster > Fuller's works > >>> > >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > >>> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:55:56 -0700 > >>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>> Subject: Emailing: index > >>> > >>> Pic of Expo '67 dome model from Your Private Sky > exhibit: > >>> > >>> http://rtfm.bytecamp.net/~su/bucky/index.php?bild=04 > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------- > >>> Joe S Moore > >>> joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > >>> http://buckminster.info > >>> ------------------------------------------- > >> __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:39:01 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leifur, Do you mean panels? Also I failed to properly file the original post for the thread where Q N' I got off track, on the "has anybody..." sequence mark ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:39:28 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Emailing: index In-Reply-To: <2F175DC588EFD211B37C0060088FAC39313B89@pscserver3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tony Kalenak wrote: > I can believe that. > > I venture to say, > It is very hard to estimate R&D, > which is what Bucky's projects were, generally. > > If you have something you have done a thousand times in > the same way, > then your estimates and scheduling can be very precise. > > If you are developing new technologies, > then the unknown factors inherent to the process, > make an estimate little more than an educated guess > of what it will take to develop the artifact in question. > > And we all know how optimistic Fuller was. I am sorry, but Bucky himself said he was not an optimist. I agree with him. Survival was always touch and go to him. Dick > -Tony. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick Fischbeck [mailto:dick_fischbeck@YAHOO.COM] > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:05 PM > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > A side note: > Shoji Sadao said the other day, Bucky's estimates on > projects were usually one tenth of the actual cost. It > was > a bit of a joke about Bucky, I guess. > > Dick > > --- Leifur Thor wrote: > > Hey thanks Joe, oh great keeper of all Bucky knowledge > > :-) I'll look in to > > it. > > > > > From: Joe S Moore > > > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster > > Fuller's works > > > > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:38:36 -0700 > > > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > > > > > Leifur, > > > > > > I've never seen those figures, but Bucky's two > > architectural partners should > > > know where to get them. See: > > > > > > Shoji Sadao at http://www.noguchi.org/foundation.html > > (scroll down for email > > > address) > > > and > > > Thomas T K Zung at > > http://www.spaceshipearth.org/ABOUTSE/thomas_zung.html > > > > > > For articles about Expo'67 go to the search function > on > > the bottom of my > > > home page. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Leifur Thor" > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > > > > > > > >> Say Joe or anyone else who can answer this... > > >> > > >> What was the price tag of the Expo 67 dome? > > >> Breakdown of materials and labor would be good. > > >> > > >> Also, how long did it take to contruct? > > >> > > >>> From: Joe S Moore > > >>> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster > > Fuller's works > > >>> > > >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > >>> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:55:56 -0700 > > >>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>> Subject: Emailing: index > > >>> > > >>> Pic of Expo '67 dome model from Your Private Sky > > exhibit: > > >>> > > >>> > http://rtfm.bytecamp.net/~su/bucky/index.php?bild=04 > > >>> > > >>> -------------------------------------------- > > >>> Joe S Moore > > >>> joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > >>> http://buckminster.info > > >>> ------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:41:49 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Emailing: index In-Reply-To: <2F175DC588EFD211B37C0060088FAC39313B89@pscserver3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tony Kalenak wrote: > I can believe that. > > I venture to say, > It is very hard to estimate R&D, > which is what Bucky's projects were, generally. > > If you have something you have done a thousand times in > the same way, > then your estimates and scheduling can be very precise. > > If you are developing new technologies, > then the unknown factors inherent to the process, > make an estimate little more than an educated guess > of what it will take to develop the artifact in question. I do agree with you on all this, Tony. This is well put and something I had not thought about much. Thanks. Dick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:55:00 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We might be on the same wavelength. Your cells are vertexes, and each one can be identical. The only thing that needs to vary is the distance between the vertexes. Euler says: v+f=e+2 By knowing v, the number of vertexes(your cells), we know the ratio of faces and edges. For omnitriangulated polyhedra, there are 3 edges per 2 faces per each (vertex minus 2). 10f^2+2=n, therefore, f=root[(n-2)/10] Each cell can have the same alpha, angular deficit. 720/n=alpha Dick --- Leifur Thor wrote: > Sure Dick, > > The cell is the area between the frame. I want to design > a dome that uses a > minimal amount of shape and size cells to create a > mutiple choice of sizes > of a dome one might wish to put together. > > sample: > > I want a dome of _______ width. To get this I'll need > _______many of > _____size cells, and ______many of the _______size cells. > and then by joining them in ________pattern, I'll get the > dome of the size > I'm looking for. > > note- there is no frame prior to the cells installation. > the cells by > attaching to one another create the frame in the end. > > > From: Dick Fischbeck > > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster > Fuller's works > > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:01:08 -0800 > > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes > possible with... > > > > Say more about this, Liefur. Say it 2 or three times > and > > maybe I'll get it. It sounds interesting. > > > > What is a cell? > > > > Dick > > > > --- Leifur Thor wrote: > >> a minimal amount of cell size, like 2? > >> > >> Goal- > >> to have ___ amount of cell sizes able to make domes of > >> different sizes. this > >> is in regard to a dome with no frame, just cells > attached > >> to one another. > >> > >> or is each dome individual in it's cell size. I know > >> frequency plays in to > >> this, but I'm not clear how. > >> > >> Any of you math wizes out there got an answer? > >> > >> Thanks > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:52:08 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leifur, Lecturing is definitely not out, at least as I see it. Reason being that there is no other current outlet for the kids to be inspired provided to them by the school system and it's a longshot that they will be directed to websites given the mind control of school and TV/entertainment directing them to have interests in othere web surfs. Your a can opener in the flesh, radiating your beliefs and real time interactive when your a guest teacher, along with the kinestetic learning you can provide when you work out what 3D project you'll include. Then a reference to a website will be followed up on. I think there are a number of websites that have the essentials in place to be contributors to a super website dedicated to the projects we'd like to see moved forward. We don't have to reinvent the wheel, just seperate the wheat from the tare. Then unite & conquer ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:03:42 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: Emailing: index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I beg to differ with you, Dick, on this point. I guess it is relative. Compared to whom was he an optimist or not? Compared to the Chicken Littles prophesying the planets doom by over population, etc, he was optimistic. He definitely thought that we have the option by doing more with less, of being able to feed and house humanity through appropriate and thoughtful and comprehensive design. He devoted his life to this goal. He didn't throw up his hands in resignation.... Declaring "It is Hopeless !". He worked on solutions . Not that it is a sure thing.... Thus the title of one of his books "Utopia or Oblivion". -Tony. -----Original Message----- From: Dick Fischbeck [mailto:dick_fischbeck@YAHOO.COM] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:39 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Emailing: index --- Tony Kalenak wrote: > I can believe that. > > I venture to say, > It is very hard to estimate R&D, > which is what Bucky's projects were, generally. > > If you have something you have done a thousand times in > the same way, > then your estimates and scheduling can be very precise. > > If you are developing new technologies, > then the unknown factors inherent to the process, > make an estimate little more than an educated guess > of what it will take to develop the artifact in question. > > And we all know how optimistic Fuller was. I am sorry, but Bucky himself said he was not an optimist. I agree with him. Survival was always touch and go to him. Dick > -Tony. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick Fischbeck [mailto:dick_fischbeck@YAHOO.COM] > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:05 PM > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > A side note: > Shoji Sadao said the other day, Bucky's estimates on > projects were usually one tenth of the actual cost. It > was > a bit of a joke about Bucky, I guess. > > Dick > > --- Leifur Thor wrote: > > Hey thanks Joe, oh great keeper of all Bucky knowledge > > :-) I'll look in to > > it. > > > > > From: Joe S Moore > > > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster > > Fuller's works > > > > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:38:36 -0700 > > > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > > > > > Leifur, > > > > > > I've never seen those figures, but Bucky's two > > architectural partners should > > > know where to get them. See: > > > > > > Shoji Sadao at http://www.noguchi.org/foundation.html > > (scroll down for email > > > address) > > > and > > > Thomas T K Zung at > > http://www.spaceshipearth.org/ABOUTSE/thomas_zung.html > > > > > > For articles about Expo'67 go to the search function > on > > the bottom of my > > > home page. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Leifur Thor" > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: Emailing: index > > > > > > > > >> Say Joe or anyone else who can answer this... > > >> > > >> What was the price tag of the Expo 67 dome? > > >> Breakdown of materials and labor would be good. > > >> > > >> Also, how long did it take to contruct? > > >> > > >>> From: Joe S Moore > > >>> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster > > Fuller's works > > >>> > > >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > >>> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:55:56 -0700 > > >>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>> Subject: Emailing: index > > >>> > > >>> Pic of Expo '67 dome model from Your Private Sky > > exhibit: > > >>> > > >>> > http://rtfm.bytecamp.net/~su/bucky/index.php?bild=04 > > >>> > > >>> -------------------------------------------- > > >>> Joe S Moore > > >>> joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > >>> http://buckminster.info > > >>> ------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:27:19 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blair Wolfram Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tell me what I'm missing. If all the vertexes are the same, you by definition are identifying an icosahedron. The size of an icosa can vary by changing the edge length, but not the number of faces, edges or vertexes. If there is any variation causing non identical vertexes, you are increasing frequency. Blair Dick Fischbeck wrote: > We might be on the same wavelength. Your cells are > vertexes, and each one can be identical. The only thing > that needs to vary is the distance between the vertexes. > > Euler says: > > v+f=e+2 > > By knowing v, the number of vertexes(your cells), we know > the ratio of faces and edges. For omnitriangulated > polyhedra, there are 3 edges per 2 faces per each (vertex > minus 2). > > 10f^2+2=n, > > therefore, > > f=root[(n-2)/10] > > Each cell can have the same alpha, angular deficit. > > 720/n=alpha > > Dick > > --- Leifur Thor wrote: > > Sure Dick, > > > > The cell is the area between the frame. I want to design > > a dome that uses a > > minimal amount of shape and size cells to create a > > mutiple choice of sizes > > of a dome one might wish to put together. > > > > sample: > > > > I want a dome of _______ width. To get this I'll need > > _______many of > > _____size cells, and ______many of the _______size cells. > > and then by joining them in ________pattern, I'll get the > > dome of the size > > I'm looking for. > > > > note- there is no frame prior to the cells installation. > > the cells by > > attaching to one another create the frame in the end. > > > > > From: Dick Fischbeck > > > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster > > Fuller's works > > > > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:01:08 -0800 > > > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes > > possible with... > > > > > > Say more about this, Liefur. Say it 2 or three times > > and > > > maybe I'll get it. It sounds interesting. > > > > > > What is a cell? > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > --- Leifur Thor wrote: > > >> a minimal amount of cell size, like 2? > > >> > > >> Goal- > > >> to have ___ amount of cell sizes able to make domes of > > >> different sizes. this > > >> is in regard to a dome with no frame, just cells > > attached > > >> to one another. > > >> > > >> or is each dome individual in it's cell size. I know > > >> frequency plays in to > > >> this, but I'm not clear how. > > >> > > >> Any of you math wizes out there got an answer? > > >> > > >> Thanks > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:53:22 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: <68.2c345cf3.2b66f2e5@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit no prob Mark. and yes I mean what are usually panels, or whatever material is used to cover to dome. I mean it in the sense of separating each panel or cell. > From: Mark Stehly > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:39:01 EST > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... > > Leifur, > > Do you mean panels? > > Also I failed to properly file the original post for the thread where Q > N' I got off track, on the "has anybody..." sequence > mark ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:15:40 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: <3E35C057.B846E8FB@domeincorporated.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dick, Blair and anyone else interested in this topic, Let me try to explain a little better what I'm looking for... Let's imagine a company that produces domes. Let's further imagine that these domes unlike prior domes are built connecting individual cells together, and that the edges of these cells make up the frame of the dome. The frame is integrated into the cell's edges. Now let's imagine if it was possible to design the cells so that to build a dome of different sizes, this company would only need to manufacture 2 or 3 different size cells to accommodate a number of size domes. If this would be possible, two questions arise- 1. What size each size cell would need to be, or is there a range to play with, like would it works with a cell that's 10' across to 12" across. 2. might it depend on the pattern of the layout of how the cells are assembled, like in- for a 20ft dome the pattern is A,B,A,B for a 40ft dome the pattern is A,A,B,A,A,B does this make any sense? The purpose of all this is to see if it would be possible to manufacture as few sizes cells as possible while offering a dome of multiple sizes. Not to mention it would allow people to increase their dome by simply purchasing more cells and rearranging them, if #2 is relevant. This would be doing more with less, on a manufacturing level... I think you may have answered my question Dick, but I'm not understanding your response just yet. So far I see the edge of what you're describing, but not quite the whole tamale. > From: Blair Wolfram > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:27:19 -0600 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... > > Tell me what I'm missing. If all the vertexes are the same, you > by definition are identifying an icosahedron. The size of an > icosa can vary by changing the edge length, but not the number > of faces, edges or vertexes. If there is any variation causing > non identical vertexes, you are increasing frequency. > > Blair > > Dick Fischbeck wrote: > >> We might be on the same wavelength. Your cells are >> vertexes, and each one can be identical. The only thing >> that needs to vary is the distance between the vertexes. >> >> Euler says: >> >> v+f=e+2 >> >> By knowing v, the number of vertexes(your cells), we know >> the ratio of faces and edges. For omnitriangulated >> polyhedra, there are 3 edges per 2 faces per each (vertex >> minus 2). >> >> 10f^2+2=n, >> >> therefore, >> >> f=root[(n-2)/10] >> >> Each cell can have the same alpha, angular deficit. >> >> 720/n=alpha >> >> Dick >> >> --- Leifur Thor wrote: >>> Sure Dick, >>> >>> The cell is the area between the frame. I want to design >>> a dome that uses a >>> minimal amount of shape and size cells to create a >>> mutiple choice of sizes >>> of a dome one might wish to put together. >>> >>> sample: >>> >>> I want a dome of _______ width. To get this I'll need >>> _______many of >>> _____size cells, and ______many of the _______size cells. >>> and then by joining them in ________pattern, I'll get the >>> dome of the size >>> I'm looking for. >>> >>> note- there is no frame prior to the cells installation. >>> the cells by >>> attaching to one another create the frame in the end. >>> >>>> From: Dick Fischbeck >>>> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster >>> Fuller's works >>>> >>>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>>> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:01:08 -0800 >>>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes >>> possible with... >>>> >>>> Say more about this, Liefur. Say it 2 or three times >>> and >>>> maybe I'll get it. It sounds interesting. >>>> >>>> What is a cell? >>>> >>>> Dick >>>> >>>> --- Leifur Thor wrote: >>>>> a minimal amount of cell size, like 2? >>>>> >>>>> Goal- >>>>> to have ___ amount of cell sizes able to make domes of >>>>> different sizes. this >>>>> is in regard to a dome with no frame, just cells >>> attached >>>>> to one another. >>>>> >>>>> or is each dome individual in it's cell size. I know >>>>> frequency plays in to >>>>> this, but I'm not clear how. >>>>> >>>>> Any of you math wizes out there got an answer? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Do you Yahoo!? >>>> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >>>> http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >> http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:57:08 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: huh? Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Former 'WAND' Chairman Paul H. O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees. News Unleashed? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:51:50 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dick is an imaginary character with trolled results. "he" even mentioned le monsieur Petit, from whom he got the misapplication of hydrodynamics, namely "cones" that miraculously fit, smoothly together -- did he ever offer any helpful feedback to this guy, or would he not accept it, graciously? your question is strictly empty, because per the dictum o'bucky, "energy hath shape," not some nebulous "masonic" specification on bricks: you're trying to do every thing with no thing -- which is also some thing that Bucky suggested, and so very zen of him (and his Nippo-associates .-) thus quoth: If this would be possible, two questions arise- 1. What size each size cell would need to be, or is there a range to play with, like would it works with a cell that's 10' across to 12" across. 2. might it depend on the pattern of the layout of how the cells are assembled, like in- for a 20ft dome the pattern is A,B,A,B for a 40ft dome the pattern is A,A,B,A,A,B does this make any sense? The purpose of all this is to see if it would be possible to manufacture as few sizes cells as possible while offering a dome of multiple sizes. Not to mention it would allow people to increase their dome by simply purchasing more cells and rearranging them, if #2 is relevant. --Dec. 2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H. O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees. News? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:56:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I don't plan to be a Yahoo! (tm) for much longer, at any rate -- if it is not impossible to escape! thus quoth: > > >> Any of you math wizes out there got an answer? > > >> > > >> Thanks > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H. O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees. News? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:01:01 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed what a crank; didn't you notice that the forumla are different for differnt trigonated shapes, viz the hexasteron (octahedron) ?? thus quoth: Euler says: v+f=e+2 By knowing v, the number of vertexes(your cells), we know the ratio of faces and edges. For omnitriangulated polyhedra, there are 3 edges per 2 faces per each (vertex minus 2). 10f^2+2=n, therefore, f=root[(n-2)/10] Each cell can have the same alpha, angular deficit. --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H. O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees. News? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:42:29 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Actually Quincy, I didn't notice anything per say about his formula that didn't seem right. I would put this to you though Quincy. Why are you so critical, of everything and everyone? If you are as enlightened as you profess to be, I would think you'd have more hope in others and humanity. Lighten up Quincy, and try something new. See if you can spend an entire day without telling anyone how you are feeling, or your critical opinion of someone else. > From: Quincy Quincy Quincy > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:01:01 +0000 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... > > what a crank; > didn't you notice that the forumla are different > for differnt trigonated shapes, > viz the hexasteron (octahedron) ?? > > thus quoth: > Euler says: > > v+f=e+2 > > By knowing v, the number of vertexes(your cells), we know > the ratio of faces and edges. For omnitriangulated > polyhedra, there are 3 edges per 2 faces per each (vertex > minus 2). > > 10f^2+2=n, > > therefore, > > f=root[(n-2)/10] > > Each cell can have the same alpha, angular deficit. > > --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H. O'Neill, reelected > to Board of Trustees. News? > http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ > > --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): > Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... > So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, > for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" > "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) > http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:03:15 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: huh? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/03 10:57:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, space998@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ Hey Quince, scuse my ignorance on this one hoo-ziss Paul O'Neal, and what's bein' said about him in this lame magazine? Drug addiction article? Considering the man's degree and if I'm correct the Rand thang is a (s)think tank, right? Addiction? 1. Prohibition mixes versus village apothacary 2. Drugs mimic "enlightenment high's" A. Marijuana, Alpha state, the first level enjoyed in meditation & bio feedback. B. Cocaine a jet fuel poison added to a health food plant, that when chewed stimulates the sensory cortex in pleasurable sensations, the same as the second stage acheived in the above referenced methodologies. C. LSD/mushrooms/ecstasy Serotonin tweakers, the first, in example, derived from ancient Greek ceremonial mystery school ergot. In Greece, it was used *after preperation* by a Priesthood & trials in (Joycian) mystery training at the Temples of Alyusis (sic?) on a Full Moon night. Mimics effects of 5 days sleeplissness and ceremonial chanting, aided by habitated daily meditation, diet, and lifestyle, best kept alive in Eastern traditions, but more common worldwide at one point. D. Alcohol - Supresses societally acceptable behavior discipline of individual to social triggers and mores, while giving one an inflated sense of self. Otherwise known as standard bar asshole, though both behaviors are supprresed unconcious "poet warrior" aspects in a society as genocidal as ours has been. That which "new agers" would label as the spiritual self, Christians as the Christ within, etc. E. Heroin - Endorphin, the chemical of love (& choclate), no wonder people get "drunk" & addicted. Another chemical that is self produced if the human is following certain behaviors, having all their needs met, and contributing to positive movement in society that is taking place in a forward moving society, in terms of compassion & attention to the details of correcting dysfunctions. Like a fractured hologram, the semi concious individuals move towards the burst through of enlightenment provided by drugs as an experiential ecstasy in the face of limited chances for experiential ecstasy, made near impossible from the never ending assault on decency and the human psyche, which makes it difficult to enjoy these same states. This is properly seen as an intended target of government's actions, the purposeful inhibition of ecstatic life. The society is not there as a co facilitator when this level of genocidal deception is tolerated. In any country, BTW Just like ancient wise men/women occasionally did in the past, a violent break from the ground in mindset via the excstatics, answering the call to adventure. Thinking outside of the box, because the box has people in it's violence inducing grasp for centuries. These things can be tools, yet ultimately are not needed. Not that many interspresed current lumanaries don't demonstrate healthy function on the inebriants, though I'm not endorsing the use, I have to make truthful note of people like the founder of John Hopkins Hospital and the man still considered the father of modern surgery, was a lifelong Morphine addict and it surprised his friends to discover it. The human yearning for enlightenment, or states associated with ecstatic life, all of which can be cultivated by lifestyle and other factors outside of drugs, yet those very techniques are denied the individual moving through society. Then there's this letter section piece. N' let's see, I've got Helga H. Professor, Transatlantic Foreign & Security Policy, Political Science and Sociology Department(too busy talking?), Free(no wonder) University of Berlin Oh, Helga, over here, girlly 1. Did you miss that Slobodan Milosevich is the one who was preventing massacres, NATO pulled a *180* press release and the NATO'ised world press spewed it back out at us, their blood drippping lies convincing us we're the good guys. Guees you missed that, huh Helga? www.tenc.net will giv yu the scoop Helga, you ole hotty, you 2. What to do about the UN? What have they said about the depleted Uranium used on a peoples who we're not committing genocide? "Oops?" Nada Even Col David Hackworth has had to put in print that 100,000 US soldiers are dead from the first gulf war not 600-+ some. The most likely culprit? Depleted Uranium. The Army's former Depleted Uranium Project director speaks here http://downwinders.org/rokke.htm www.tenc.net also has the DU stories from the Balkans. 3. Did she miss the European press reports of a year plus back, pointing out that our "local heroes" KLA were responsible for a 300% increase in Heroin traffic in the region? Col. Hackworth (not my favorite, a frequent delayed spinner for pressure release and breakout control for the press, with pertinant Army personal issue articles interspresed) commenting again, locateable on his Defending America columns. Financial pressures between Europe, the US and SE Asia? Awhh, common now Helga, you mena the fact that the EU auditors would not approve the EU budjet because they couldn't gaurantee that any more than 5% of the taxpayer monies would be spent properly; whose gonna bail out Russia from the US led banking attack that withered it's economy; might become an issue, that SE Asia, which saw (ex-Nazi symp)George Soros, that flea circus controlled left operator of, (using pocket change for him), The Lindesmith Center, dedicated to preventing any real prohibition ending activeties; is the same gentleman who joined forces with cronies in the devastation of Thailands and all of SE Asia's currency, completing the West's insult to SE Asia. Those insults including conquering Vietnam by a teed up golf game war(with complimentary Agent Orange - birth defect rate up 25%), corrupting Laos with Heroin gangs & still mass bombing them, inserting Suharto for Sukarno (name coincidence? Not!), N' how about that Pol Pot (with a compliment of carpet bombs). You mean to say these and other things might have an effect on the world economy? Along with Turkey, Argentina, and the treasure trove of IMF'd near bankrupts? Your pretty sharp there, Helga. Nuttin' gets by you. All of this with major facilitation from the society that pats itself on the back for managing to quell it's homicidal urges long enough to herd a few Indians into internment camps, not to mention the low lives they pick out, & give a boost to, from the cultures they abuse who reside and are a part of those same cultures. Vadda planet! Well, waddya think there, Helga? Think we can address the problem of the US as you suggest? Hey, I've got a thing or 2 I'd like you to mention to George. And Helga, the only thing I have to say to NATO is to "engineers not executioners" and hope it sets in. An immediate societal mandate for the genocidal masters of NATO to immediately commence with on the spot basic & advanced engineering training and rebuild the areas they now stand poised to ravage and have ravaged. Waddya say, gurl? Think you could go with that one Helga? Hey Rander's digest these articles. Beware, Hoffman, #2 below, is a holocaust denier, but he has an article written by a 29 year CIA ranking vet along with his 16 year CIA vet wife. Go figure. http://emperors-clothes.com/gilwhite/Israel.htm http://www.hoffman-info.com/news.html http://www.propagandamatrix.com/puppet_on_a_string.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:19:00 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Euler's formula is for the general case polyhedron, as you must know. 10f^2+2=n applies to the cuboctahedron(and icosa) and I am analysing all polys as a fractional frequency of the cubocta, thank you. Did you ever have a mother? What did she tell you? > > From: Quincy Quincy Quincy > > what a crank; > > didn't you notice that the forumla are different > > for differnt trigonated shapes, > > viz the hexasteron (octahedron) ?? > > > > thus quoth: > > Euler says: > > > > v+f=e+2 > > > > By knowing v, the number of vertexes(your cells), we > know > > the ratio of faces and edges. For omnitriangulated > > polyhedra, there are 3 edges per 2 faces per each > (vertex > > minus 2). > > > > 10f^2+2=n, > > > > therefore, > > > > f=root[(n-2)/10] > > > > Each cell can have the same alpha, angular deficit. > > > > --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H. O'Neill, reelected > > to Board of Trustees. News? > > > http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ > > > > --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): > > Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... > > So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, > > for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" > > "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie > ('92) > > http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) > > > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html > > > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:23:50 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > Dick is an imaginary character with trolled results. Do you really think this???? I've even given you my SS number and address. Give me a call. Who created this character?? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:32:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Leifur Thor wrote: > I think you may have answered my question Dick, but I'm > not understanding > your response just yet. So far I see the edge of what > you're describing, but > not quite the whole tamale. Have you made a randome model? It doesn't take long and you will understand quicker than with words. Just cut some great circle arcs, form them into acute cones and attach them edge to edge. It is that simple. You are desrcibing the same idea as the randome. Identical vertex elements, described by alpha, connected into a polyvertexion. Dick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 06:45:44 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- John Belt wrote: > Easier to understand if seen, Dick received positive > reviews for the > method, but asked to stop calling it geodesic in nature. > The praise > came from Ron Resch, this was good enough for me. Ron said I could call a randome a synergetic dome, so that's what I'll do. I like the sound of that. I do not understand Ron's definition of a geodesic dome. It is something about all vertexes falling on vertexes of a spherical icosahedron. I thought a geodesic dome was an omnitriangulated structure made of great circle chords. This is what a randome is but I guess that's not the definition of a geodesic dome. Anyone have the official definition? Dick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:20:11 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Belt Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: <20030128144544.71257.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NOTE: the note below was in a direct mail to Dick and Leifur, and did not appear on the list. Ron Resch's comments were made at the SNEC, (Synergestists of the NorthEast Corridor) on this past Sunday, January 26th/'03, in Kingston, Ny. The small conference was held at Design Science Toys, inc. On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Dick Fischbeck wrote: > --- John Belt wrote: > > Easier to understand if seen, Dick received positive > > reviews for the > > method, but asked to stop calling it geodesic in nature. > > The praise > > came from Ron Resch, this was good enough for me. > > Ron said I could call a randome a synergetic dome, so > that's what I'll do. I like the sound of that. I do not > understand Ron's definition of a geodesic dome. It is > something about all vertexes falling on vertexes of a > spherical icosahedron. I thought a geodesic dome was an > omnitriangulated structure made of great circle chords. > This is what a randome is but I guess that's not the > definition of a geodesic dome. > Dick, I didn't recall him saying that during your presentation, but may have in private conversation, but that was the point of my question to him and Joe Clinton. But I do like the comment and agree in total. Seeing your models in person and hearing your comments really helped me to understand your concept and the difference and it's merit. Thanks for making the long trip from Maine to attend, hope you can make the Oswego meeting. thanks, john belt ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:25:04 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: <3E35C057.B846E8FB@domeincorporated.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Blair Wolfram wrote: > Tell me what I'm missing. If all the vertexes are the > same, you > by definition are identifying an icosahedron. The vertexes all can have the same angular deficit. The edge lengths can all be different. Any shape is possible. > The size of > an > icosa can vary by changing the edge length, but not the > number > of faces, edges or vertexes. If there is any variation > causing > non identical vertexes, you are increasing frequency. Frequency is size but size also depends on what the prime vector length is. Not all 2 frequency polyvertexia are the same size. Double the strut length gives 4 times the surface area and 9 times the volume. Isn't that right? Frequency can increase one vertex at a time. Frequency does not have to be whole round numbers, or so it appears. Frequency can be fractional. For example, a vertexion with 41 vertexes is slightly smaller than one with 42 vertexes. The 42 vertex structure is 2 frequency. With 41 vertexes, it'd be a little less. If the equation n=10f^2+2 is solved for f, it is f=root[(n-2)/10] If n=41, f=1.974841766 Dick Randome(pat.pending) Anyone can experiment with randomes. Production for profit is a different matter. > > 720/n=alpha __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:37:29 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Emailing: index In-Reply-To: <2F175DC588EFD211B37C0060088FAC39313B8A@pscserver3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tony Kalenak wrote: > I beg to differ with you, Dick, on this point. > > I guess it is relative. Compared to whom was he an > optimist or not? > Compared to the Chicken Littles prophesying the planets > doom by over > population, etc, > he was optimistic. > > He definitely thought that we have the option by doing > more with less, > of being able to feed and house humanity > through appropriate and thoughtful and comprehensive > design. Big agreement here. > He devoted his life to this goal. > He didn't throw up his hands in resignation.... Declaring > "It is Hopeless > !". > He worked on solutions . > > Not that it is a sure thing.... Thus the title of one of > his books "Utopia > or Oblivion". > > > -Tony. He understood that we can make it. He was less sure that we would. With the end of the cold war, I think we are much more likely to make it. Of course, we might fry the planet with climate change and that would make making it much harder. I don't know why he did not like being thought of as an optimist. But that is what he said, I think. More than anything, he was naive. Which is a good thing. Dick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:22:51 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blair Wolfram Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, define angular deficit for me. Blair Dick Fischbeck wrote: > --- Blair Wolfram wrote: > > Tell me what I'm missing. If all the vertexes are the > > same, you > > by definition are identifying an icosahedron. > > The vertexes all can have the same angular deficit. The > edge lengths can all be different. Any shape is possible. > > > The size of > > an > > icosa can vary by changing the edge length, but not the > > number > > of faces, edges or vertexes. If there is any variation > > causing > > non identical vertexes, you are increasing frequency. > > Frequency is size but size also depends on what the prime > vector length is. Not all 2 frequency polyvertexia are the > same size. Double the strut length gives 4 times the > surface area and 9 times the volume. Isn't that right? > > Frequency can increase one vertex at a time. Frequency does > not have to be whole round numbers, or so it appears. > Frequency can be fractional. For example, a vertexion with > 41 vertexes is slightly smaller than one with 42 vertexes. > The 42 vertex structure is 2 frequency. With 41 vertexes, > it'd be a little less. If the equation n=10f^2+2 is solved > for f, it is > > f=root[(n-2)/10] > > If n=41, f=1.974841766 > > Dick > Randome(pat.pending) > Anyone can experiment with randomes. Production for profit > is a different matter. > > > > 720/n=alpha > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:37:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: <20030128133235.6591.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit No Dick I've never made a randome model. Do you have a link to a pic so I know what I'm aiming towards? > From: Dick Fischbeck > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:32:35 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... > > --- Leifur Thor wrote: >> I think you may have answered my question Dick, but I'm >> not understanding >> your response just yet. So far I see the edge of what >> you're describing, but >> not quite the whole tamale. > > Have you made a randome model? It doesn't take long and you > will understand quicker than with words. > > Just cut some great circle arcs, form them into acute cones > and attach them edge to edge. It is that simple. > > You are desrcibing the same idea as the randome. Identical > vertex elements, described by alpha, connected into a > polyvertexion. > > Dick > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:37:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: <20030128152504.51023.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dick, could you email me your ph# personally. I'd like to talk with you on the phone about this if that's alright with you... > From: Dick Fischbeck > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:25:04 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... > > --- Blair Wolfram wrote: >> Tell me what I'm missing. If all the vertexes are the >> same, you >> by definition are identifying an icosahedron. > > The vertexes all can have the same angular deficit. The > edge lengths can all be different. Any shape is possible. > >> The size of >> an >> icosa can vary by changing the edge length, but not the >> number >> of faces, edges or vertexes. If there is any variation >> causing >> non identical vertexes, you are increasing frequency. > > Frequency is size but size also depends on what the prime > vector length is. Not all 2 frequency polyvertexia are the > same size. Double the strut length gives 4 times the > surface area and 9 times the volume. Isn't that right? > > Frequency can increase one vertex at a time. Frequency does > not have to be whole round numbers, or so it appears. > Frequency can be fractional. For example, a vertexion with > 41 vertexes is slightly smaller than one with 42 vertexes. > The 42 vertex structure is 2 frequency. With 41 vertexes, > it'd be a little less. If the equation n=10f^2+2 is solved > for f, it is > > f=root[(n-2)/10] > > If n=41, f=1.974841766 > > Dick > Randome(pat.pending) > Anyone can experiment with randomes. Production for profit > is a different matter. > >>> 720/n=alpha > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:40:47 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post In-Reply-To: <138.1a1dbc39.2b670408@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit not sure if I responded to you Mark on this... I think you make a good point. I'd also be lying if I said I don't enjoy the look in kids eyes when they begin to "get it". > From: Mark Stehly > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:52:08 EST > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of > this post > > Leifur, > > Lecturing is definitely not out, at least as I see it. > > Reason being that there is no other current outlet for the kids to be > inspired provided to them by the school system and it's a longshot that they > will be directed to websites given the mind control of school and > TV/entertainment directing them to have interests in othere web surfs. > > Your a can opener in the flesh, radiating your beliefs and real time > interactive when your a guest teacher, along with the kinestetic learning you > can provide when you work out what 3D project you'll include. > > Then a reference to a website will be followed up on. > > I think there are a number of websites that have the essentials in place > to be contributors to a super website dedicated to the projects we'd like to > see moved forward. We don't have to reinvent the wheel, just seperate the > wheat from the tare. > > Then unite & conquer ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:53:04 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blair Wolfram Subject: a dome structure of differing sizes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick wrote: "The vertexes all can have the same angular deficit. The edge lengths can all be different. Any shape is possible." We are on different pages, as I thought we were talking about geodesic domes. In geodesic domes, you cannot exclusively have 41 different edge lengths. As well, spherical is the only shape possible here. "Frequency does not have to be whole round numbers" Again, if we were on the same page, frequency in geodesics has to be in whole round numbers. Frequency is the breakdown of an icosahedron face into smaller spherical triangulations. "Production for profit is a different matter." Are you saying if Dome Incorporated wasn't profitable, or for that matter if Dome Incorporated were profitable, we would change our objective or process as far as manufacturing? Would we use different math? Would we try to be less efficient, or we would try to be more efficient? Is this only about the money? Blair ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:56:21 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The last 2 pictures on this page are good examples. http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?Page=7 The parasol dome is made of overlapping paper umbrellas, aka obtuse cones. The randome dual is made of great circle arcs looped back on themselves to form acute cones. What happens is compound curvature, in the form of a cone, is being distributed more or less evenly around an invisible center point. This curvature always totals 720 degrees for a closed system. We could call it construction using unit curvature. Bucky said, nature is structuring as she goes. --- Leifur Thor wrote: > No Dick I've never made a randome model. Do you have a > link to a pic so I > know what I'm aiming towards? > > > Just cut some great circle arcs, form them into acute > cones > > and attach them edge to edge. It is that simple. > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:07:44 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leifur, Yeah, that look in the eye that they get it is the teachers reward in an uncertain world. In those moments of connection you find your own reassurance that your not alone on spaceship Earth. They get it and they get you as a true embodiment of what you preach, all too rare a combo in today's world, as a bonus they get their eyes directed to the light at the end of the tunnel for humanity, and they experience hope based on real time solutions, equating to genuine inspiration. What a privilege to be a teacher in that situation. You light the fire and the kids & the website(s) will flourish. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:15:29 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: a dome structure of differing sizes In-Reply-To: <3E36B570.149430E7@domeincorporated.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Blair Randome is about getting millions of people inside. Randome is about giving the average person a way to make an efficient, ultra-low-cost shelter. If this is a novel approach and patentable, I'd like people to know where it came from. If not, then it is a moot point. That's all. Bucky said the only reason we ever heard of him is because he had a good patent attorney. It is lastly about money, actually. If I didn't want people to have access to this information, I would not be blabbing about it. Royalties are a small part of the business world. I did not design this financial system. Make some models and let me know if you think it is a new approach to spherical construction. You are already in the dome business. If you see a value in this construction method, I do hope you make use of it. I have no idea what the licensing fee might be. If I ever get anything monetary from this work, I am going to continue to work toward the succuss of people everywhere, just like Bucky. I admit I am naive. But this does not embarass me. I am no longer using the term geodesic in association with randomes. I am saying they are synergetic domes. I think I'll go hide now. Dick --- Blair Wolfram wrote: Would we try > to > be less efficient, or we would try to be more efficient? > Is this only about the money? > > Blair __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:21:02 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: a dome structure of differing sizes In-Reply-To: <3E36B570.149430E7@domeincorporated.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Blair Wolfram wrote: > Dick wrote: > "The vertexes all can have the same angular deficit. The > edge lengths can all be different. Any shape is > possible." > > We are on different pages, as I thought we were talking > about geodesic domes. In geodesic domes, you cannot > exclusively have 41 different edge lengths. As well, > spherical is the only shape possible here. Yes, Ron made a similiar point. I dropped the geodesic tag on randomes, although these structures are omnitriangulated and constructed of great circle chords. Synergetic domes works for me. > "Frequency does not have to be whole round numbers" > > Again, if we were on the same page, frequency in > geodesics > has to be in whole round numbers. Frequency is the > breakdown > of an icosahedron face into smaller spherical > triangulations. Okay. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:28:47 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: <3E36AE5B.F791AB4@domeincorporated.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A tetrahedron has an angular deficit of 180 degrees per vertex. Alpha for an octa is 120 degrees. Alpha for an icosa is 60 degrees. It is the difference between the 360 and the total number of degrees surrounding a vertex of a polyhedron, aka polyvertexion. --- Blair Wolfram wrote: > Dick, define angular deficit for me. > > Blair > > > > Dick Fischbeck wrote: > > > --- Blair Wolfram > wrote: > > > Tell me what I'm missing. If all the vertexes are the > > > same, you > > > by definition are identifying an icosahedron. > > > > The vertexes all can have the same angular deficit. The > > edge lengths can all be different. Any shape is > possible. > > > > > The size of > > > an > > > icosa can vary by changing the edge length, but not > the > > > number > > > of faces, edges or vertexes. If there is any > variation > > > causing > > > non identical vertexes, you are increasing frequency. > > > > Frequency is size but size also depends on what the > prime > > vector length is. Not all 2 frequency polyvertexia are > the > > same size. Double the strut length gives 4 times the > > surface area and 9 times the volume. Isn't that right? > > > > Frequency can increase one vertex at a time. Frequency > does > > not have to be whole round numbers, or so it appears. > > Frequency can be fractional. For example, a vertexion > with > > 41 vertexes is slightly smaller than one with 42 > vertexes. > > The 42 vertex structure is 2 frequency. With 41 > vertexes, > > it'd be a little less. If the equation n=10f^2+2 is > solved > > for f, it is > > > > f=root[(n-2)/10] > > > > If n=41, f=1.974841766 > > > > Dick > > Randome(pat.pending) > > Anyone can experiment with randomes. Production for > profit > > is a different matter. > > > > > > 720/n=alpha > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:20:57 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blair Wolfram Subject: ia dome structure of differing sizes... Comments: To: geodesic@listserv.buffalo.edu. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, what advantage does a randome of irregular angular deficits have over a geodesic? It seems it can't be mass produced as efficiently, nor assembled by pros or novices as easily as a geodesic. In fact, isn't the uniform repitition of the geodesics what make it far simpler and stronger than its cousins the Lamella and Schwedler domes? Blair ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:00:44 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: ia dome structure of differing sizes... In-Reply-To: <3E36CA09.AFC6C6CB@domeincorporated.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Great question. There are several advantages that I am so far aware of. Two are the big ones- simplisity and functionality. First, the method of construction simplifies the math to a degree such that a 4th grade child(or younger) can build one of these structure with a five minute lesson. They need no concept of trig of calculas or any of that. This makes available to almost anyone direct access to very efficient, inexpensive shelter, provided they have materials and fasteners. Second, the membrane can be in the form of conical shingles, or like scales a fish, so that leaks are virtually impossible. The elements overlap. Third, anyone can assemble these domes in a random, organic-looking arrangement. Again, in five minutes, a person can understand where to locate the next structural element. Eyeball exactness is all that is needed. Becaause all elements can be(but don't have to be) identical, mass production becomes a breeze, stamping them out as fast as practical. The elements stack/nest together to reduce space during shipping. Another useful characteristic of the membrane-type randome is that it can be roled into a cigar-shaped form, lending itself to easier trucking. There may be more advantages to be discovered. Thanks for asking. Dick --- Blair Wolfram wrote: > Dick, what advantage does a randome of irregular angular > deficits have over a geodesic? It seems it can't be mass > produced as efficiently, nor assembled by pros or novices > as > easily as a geodesic. In fact, isn't the uniform > repitition > of the geodesics what make it far simpler and stronger > than > its cousins the Lamella and Schwedler domes? > > Blair __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:16:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: ia dome structure of differing sizes... In-Reply-To: <3E36CA09.AFC6C6CB@domeincorporated.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well since Dick has been the only one able to speak of a design for a dome that could come in one cell fits many sizes dome, there's a pretty big advantage right there. Got any links to pics of the other domes? > From: Blair Wolfram > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:20:57 -0600 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: ia dome structure of differing sizes... > > Dick, what advantage does a randome of irregular angular > deficits have over a geodesic? It seems it can't be mass > produced as efficiently, nor assembled by pros or novices as > easily as a geodesic. In fact, isn't the uniform repitition > of the geodesics what make it far simpler and stronger than > its cousins the Lamella and Schwedler domes? > > Blair ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:16:10 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: a dome structure of differing sizes In-Reply-To: <3E36B570.149430E7@domeincorporated.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Great question Blair! No and yes LOL! why? Because if it isn't profitable, and any accounting system be it quantifiable (like say money), or qualifiable (like say improving happiness) it doesn't matter. Besides I hold a different definition of profit to begin with. Money has about 50% to do with qualifiable profit. Happiness & stability make up 100% of success, money sits on both sides of the fence having 50% to do with both combined. If we ignore ephemeralization in business (eco business included) we would only be repeating the mistake others have made. It comes to this- Ask the primary question- I want to build a structure. If I can build this structure with a minimum of type parts, should I or Do I want to look a certain way... Bucky used to say he didn't care how things looked, because he knew if he followed natures rules of efficiency and strength, it would naturally look great. > From: Blair Wolfram > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:53:04 -0600 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: a dome structure of differing sizes > > Dick wrote: > "The vertexes all can have the same angular deficit. The > edge lengths can all be different. Any shape is possible." > > We are on different pages, as I thought we were talking > about geodesic domes. In geodesic domes, you cannot > exclusively have 41 different edge lengths. As well, > spherical is the only shape possible here. > > "Frequency does not have to be whole round numbers" > > Again, if we were on the same page, frequency in geodesics > has to be in whole round numbers. Frequency is the breakdown > of an icosahedron face into smaller spherical > triangulations. > > "Production for profit is a different matter." > > Are you saying if Dome Incorporated wasn't profitable, or > for that matter if Dome Incorporated were profitable, we > would change our objective or process as far as > manufacturing? Would we use different math? Would we try to > be less efficient, or we would try to be more efficient? > Is this only about the money? > > Blair ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:16:10 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of this post In-Reply-To: <11a.1dac6fb8.2b6812e0@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wow, hey thanks Mark. > From: Mark Stehly > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:07:44 EST > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of > this post > > Leifur, > > Yeah, that look in the eye that they get it is the teachers reward in an > uncertain world. In those moments of connection you find your own reassurance > that your not alone on spaceship Earth. > They get it and they get you as a true embodiment of what you preach, all > too rare a combo in today's world, as a bonus they get their eyes directed to > the light at the end of the tunnel for humanity, and they experience hope > based on real time solutions, equating to genuine inspiration. > What a privilege to be a teacher in that situation. You light the fire > and the kids & the website(s) will flourish. > Mark ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:16:10 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: a dome structure of differing sizes In-Reply-To: <20030128171529.30255.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Bucky said the only reason we ever heard of him is because > he had a good patent attorney. > LOL LOL LOL!!! That's hilarious, and frighteningly true. He didn't make hardly a dime until people started infringing on his dome patent. Thanks to his attorney's excellent steel clad patent, they lost and had to pay him. > I am no longer using the term geodesic in association with > randomes. I am saying they are synergetic domes. i like the sound of it, if it's the thing I think it is I've seen in here. > From: Dick Fischbeck > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:15:29 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: a dome structure of differing sizes > > Blair > > Randome is about getting millions of people inside. Randome > is about giving the average person a way to make an > efficient, ultra-low-cost shelter. If this is a novel > approach and patentable, I'd like people to know where it > came from. If not, then it is a moot point. That's all. > > Bucky said the only reason we ever heard of him is because > he had a good patent attorney. > > It is lastly about money, actually. > > If I didn't want people to have access to this information, > I would not be blabbing about it. > > Royalties are a small part of the business world. I did not > design this financial system. Make some models and let me > know if you think it is a new approach to spherical > construction. > > You are already in the dome business. If you see a value in > this construction method, I do hope you make use of it. I > have no idea what the licensing fee might be. > > If I ever get anything monetary from this work, I am going > to continue to work toward the succuss of people > everywhere, just like Bucky. I admit I am naive. But this > does not embarass me. > > I am no longer using the term geodesic in association with > randomes. I am saying they are synergetic domes. > > I think I'll go hide now. > > Dick > > --- Blair Wolfram wrote: > Would we try >> to >> be less efficient, or we would try to be more efficient? >> Is this only about the money? >> >> Blair > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:48:36 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blair Wolfram Subject: Re: ia dome structure of differing sizes... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, how can your randome possibly be simpler than a geodesic with all the uncommon edge lengths? Your proposed shingling method is certainly not exclusive to your randome, it would work the same for geodesic, if it will work at all. And, if your elements are identical, you're back to describing an icosahedron. A geodesic has the greatest number of common elements for enclosing a sphere, not a randome, so a geodesic would be easiest to manufacture. Blair Dick Fischbeck wrote: > Great question. There are several advantages that I am so > far aware of. Two are the big ones- simplisity and > functionality. First, the method of construction simplifies > the math to a degree such that a 4th grade child(or > younger) can build one of these structure with a five > minute lesson. They need no concept of trig of calculas or > any of that. This makes available to almost anyone direct > access to very efficient, inexpensive shelter, provided > they have materials and fasteners. > > Second, the membrane can be in the form of conical > shingles, or like scales a fish, so that leaks are > virtually impossible. The elements overlap. > > Third, anyone can assemble these domes in a random, > organic-looking arrangement. Again, in five minutes, a > person can understand where to locate the next structural > element. Eyeball exactness is all that is needed. > > Becaause all elements can be(but don't have to be) > identical, mass production becomes a breeze, stamping them > out as fast as practical. The elements stack/nest together > to reduce space during shipping. > > Another useful characteristic of the membrane-type randome > is that it can be roled into a cigar-shaped form, lending > itself to easier trucking. > > There may be more advantages to be discovered. Thanks for > asking. > > Dick > > --- Blair Wolfram wrote: > > Dick, what advantage does a randome of irregular angular > > deficits have over a geodesic? It seems it can't be mass > > produced as efficiently, nor assembled by pros or novices > > as > > easily as a geodesic. In fact, isn't the uniform > > repitition > > of the geodesics what make it far simpler and stronger > > than > > its cousins the Lamella and Schwedler domes? > > > > Blair > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:23:10 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: ia dome structure of differing sizes... In-Reply-To: <3E36DE94.D4AEAE1A@domeincorporated.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Blair Wolfram wrote: > Dick, how can your randome possibly be simpler than a > geodesic > with all the uncommon edge lengths? It is called the randome because the distance between vertexes is arbitrary. They are not located in a predetermined way. Eyeballing is enough. > Your proposed shingling method is certainly not exclusive > to > your randome, it would work the same for geodesic, if it > will > work at all. Very true. It is nateral in the case of the randome because the elements overlap in a randome pattern. > And, if your elements are identical, you're back to > describing > an icosahedron. You might think so. Maake a model to see. > A geodesic has the greatest number of common elements for > enclosing a sphere, not a randome, so a geodesic would be > easiest to manufacture. A randome has exactly one element to manufacture. It is a surprise. > > Blair > > > > Dick Fischbeck wrote: > > > Great question. There are several advantages that I am > so > > far aware of. Two are the big ones- simplisity and > > functionality. First, the method of construction > simplifies > > the math to a degree such that a 4th grade child(or > > younger) can build one of these structure with a five > > minute lesson. They need no concept of trig of calculas > or > > any of that. This makes available to almost anyone > direct > > access to very efficient, inexpensive shelter, provided > > they have materials and fasteners. > > > > Second, the membrane can be in the form of conical > > shingles, or like scales a fish, so that leaks are > > virtually impossible. The elements overlap. > > > > Third, anyone can assemble these domes in a random, > > organic-looking arrangement. Again, in five minutes, a > > person can understand where to locate the next > structural > > element. Eyeball exactness is all that is needed. > > > > Becaause all elements can be(but don't have to be) > > identical, mass production becomes a breeze, stamping > them > > out as fast as practical. The elements stack/nest > together > > to reduce space during shipping. > > > > Another useful characteristic of the membrane-type > randome > > is that it can be roled into a cigar-shaped form, > lending > > itself to easier trucking. > > > > There may be more advantages to be discovered. Thanks > for > > asking. > > > > Dick > > > > --- Blair Wolfram > wrote: > > > Dick, what advantage does a randome of irregular > angular > > > deficits have over a geodesic? It seems it can't be > mass > > > produced as efficiently, nor assembled by pros or > novices > > > as > > > easily as a geodesic. In fact, isn't the uniform > > > repitition > > > of the geodesics what make it far simpler and > stronger > > > than > > > its cousins the Lamella and Schwedler domes? > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:02:16 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Emailing: index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the SNEC meeting, Shoji did attribute Bucky's low estimates to his optimism. I remember Bucky liked the song "Accentuate the positive, minimize the negative". Maybe he disdained the optimist label for its implications that maybe he didn't have hard facts behind his rosy outlook. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >--- Tony Kalenak wrote: > > >>I beg to differ with you, Dick, on this point. >> >>I guess it is relative. Compared to whom was he an >>optimist or not? >>Compared to the Chicken Littles prophesying the planets >>doom by over >>population, etc, >> he was optimistic. >> >>He definitely thought that we have the option by doing >>more with less, >>of being able to feed and house humanity >>through appropriate and thoughtful and comprehensive >>design. >> >> > >Big agreement here. > > > >>He devoted his life to this goal. >>He didn't throw up his hands in resignation.... Declaring >>"It is Hopeless >>!". >>He worked on solutions . >> >>Not that it is a sure thing.... Thus the title of one of >>his books "Utopia >>or Oblivion". >> >> >>-Tony. >> >> > >He understood that we can make it. He was less sure that we >would. With the end of the cold war, I think we are much >more likely to make it. Of course, we might fry the planet >with climate change and that would make making it much >harder. I don't know why he did not like being thought of >as an optimist. But that is what he said, I think. > >More than anything, he was naive. Which is a good thing. > >Dick > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 03:17:43 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Is anyone doing this already-there's a question at the end of Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed wasn't your topic about ... there's no topic in your topic, but I htought taht it was about education -- although I know I posted to a reply or three with the wrong header, due to my method of using Hotmial, of late. perhaps, this is your quaint way of referring to doing "everything with nothing." of course, taht's the same thing as the converse (?), doing no thing with every thing. what ever serves, I guess, to get Harry-the-Mad-Potter's war on; as you say, but this list is not quite as PC as Synergeo! thus quoth: I posted a question with this subject some time ago, and have seen many --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H.O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees; news? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 03:25:17 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed in one of Bucky's books (_CP_?), he'd thought taht he had a unit-strut that'd suffice to build any "freq" of tensegrity, alas, withdrawn as an absurdity. Euler's formula for space-strucures (as opposed to just simple polyhedra is E+C=V+F. of course, you can derive the "cells" for that simple case. better yet, prove the formula, which isn't hard (as I vaguely recall .-) --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H.O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees; news? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 03:29:19 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed whoah; I thought that you were referring to the *volume* of the cells, or polyhedra; the "area" would refer to their facets, usually. thus quoth: The cell is the area between the frame. I want to design a dome that uses a minimal amount of shape and size cells to create a mutiple choice of sizes --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H.O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees; news? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:42:11 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blair Wolfram Subject: dome structuring of different size MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, help me. You say there are arbitrary distances between the vertexes, yet you say there is one size element. Aren't you contradicting yourself? Blair ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 03:40:30 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I thought that I'd harped on you, yesterday; what happenned? that formula that you jerked from _S_, only has one very tiny application, and doesn't apply to your "n" crappola; for instance, teh formula is different for n-freq octahedra, but it doesn't really apply to *any* other shape, but the shape *before* it is "freq'd." (show, why that is so, as an exercise ... and no-one should openly help "Dick," for at least a week & only if he asks in a way that we can see that he at least has a good, pertinent question of his silly errors; eh? sorry, that I didn't notice this, earlier, but I gave-up on _S_ a long time ago, because you can't really learn much geometry from it; I'm only recalling this basic thing, as i don't recall the formula for the octah. or tetrah. e.g.: the factor of 5 in your formula should have tipped you off, some time in these past months. talk about doing nothing with everyhting? if you really try to learn some math, then you'll learn how to define "neccesity" and "sufficiency," and the need for both, together; this is a very nice thing, just on the level of philology -- just ask Phil(s)!... and that's why I omitted every thing after "therefore:" it just don't follow, Fischstichk thus quoth: By knowing v, the number of vertexes(your cells), we know the ratio of faces and edges. For omnitriangulated polyhedra, there are 3 edges per 2 faces per each (vertex minus 2). 10f^2+2=n, therefore, --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H.O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees; news? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 03:56:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed concision is not your problem. O'Neill was just cosmetically removed from the Administration, while Rice and Rumsfeld remain as the 'WAND' folks in the cabinet -- and they replaced him with the "father of supply-side econ!" not every thing taht WAND soes is awful, by any means, like their meta-study on "DU" -- a horrible misnomer, although quite acurate as to its radioactive peril to humans (its chemical toxicity is more of a concern, and it *is* excreted). the stuff about "GWS" is simply statistically irrelevent (as compared with any other group of vets, say, Operation Just Because .-) Herer is card-carrying freak, although not all of his research is bad; he only believes the "good ****" & ignores the rest, so see the Inst. of Medicine report. --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H.O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees; news? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 03:57:13 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: huh? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed [oops] concision is not your problem. O'Neill was just cosmetically removed from the Administration, while Rice and Rumsfeld remain as the 'WAND' folks in the cabinet -- and they replaced him with the "father of supply-side econ!" not every thing taht WAND soes is awful, by any means, like their meta-study on "DU" -- a horrible misnomer, although quite acurate as to its radioactive peril to humans (its chemical toxicity is more of a concern, and it *is* excreted). the stuff about "GWS" is simply statistically irrelevent (as compared with any other group of vets, say, Operation Just Because .-) Herer is card-carrying freak, although not all of his research is bad; he only believes the "good ****" & ignores the rest, so see the Inst. of Medicine report. --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H.O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees; news? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:01:18 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: huh? Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed no way. since the cuboctah. (dodecaXIasteron) can be tweaked into an icosahedron by dubdividng the tetragonal facets, the formula may apply in some way (although I don't know how, since the tetragona are "incomeasurable" with the trigona; perhaps, it's just "not even wrong" .-) my mother wasn't a cubotahedron! thus quoth: Euler's formula is for the general case polyhedron, as you must know. 10f^2+2=n applies to the cuboctahedron(and icosa) and I am analysing all polys as a fractional frequency of the cubocta, thank you. --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H.O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees; news? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:16:30 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blair Wolfram Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick wrote: (regarding geodesic domes) "Anyone have the official definition?" >From U.S. Patent Office #2,682,235 Richard Buckminster Fuller. Definition of terms; Geodesic.- Of or pertaining to great circles of a sphere, or of arcs of such circles; as a geodesic line, hence a line which is a great circle or arc thereof; and as a geodesic pattern, hence a pattern created by the intersections of great circle lines or arcs, or their chords. Blair Dick Fischbeck wrote: > --- John Belt wrote: > > Easier to understand if seen, Dick received positive > > reviews for the > > method, but asked to stop calling it geodesic in nature. > > The praise > > came from Ron Resch, this was good enough for me. > > Ron said I could call a randome a synergetic dome, so > that's what I'll do. I like the sound of that. I do not > understand Ron's definition of a geodesic dome. It is > something about all vertexes falling on vertexes of a > spherical icosahedron. I thought a geodesic dome was an > omnitriangulated structure made of great circle chords. > This is what a randome is but I guess that's not the > definition of a geodesic dome. > > Anyone have the official definition? > > Dick > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:21:46 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Blair Wolfram Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From the same patent below: Spherical icosahedron.- An icosahedron "exploded" onto the surface of a sphere; bears the same relation to an icosahedron as a spherical triangle bears to a plane triangle; the sides of the faces of the spherical icosahedron are all geodesic lines. Blair Wolfram wrote: > Dick wrote: (regarding geodesic domes) > "Anyone have the official definition?" > > >From U.S. Patent Office #2,682,235 Richard Buckminster Fuller. > > Definition of terms; > Geodesic.- Of or pertaining to great circles of a sphere, or > of arcs of such circles; as a geodesic line, hence a line > which is a great circle or arc thereof; and as a geodesic > pattern, hence a pattern created by the intersections of great > circle lines or arcs, or their chords. > > Blair > > Dick Fischbeck wrote: > > > --- John Belt wrote: > > > Easier to understand if seen, Dick received positive > > > reviews for the > > > method, but asked to stop calling it geodesic in nature. > > > The praise > > > came from Ron Resch, this was good enough for me. > > > > Ron said I could call a randome a synergetic dome, so > > that's what I'll do. I like the sound of that. I do not > > understand Ron's definition of a geodesic dome. It is > > something about all vertexes falling on vertexes of a > > spherical icosahedron. I thought a geodesic dome was an > > omnitriangulated structure made of great circle chords. > > This is what a randome is but I guess that's not the > > definition of a geodesic dome. > > > > Anyone have the official definition? > > > > Dick > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:57:04 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: ia dome structure of differing sizes... Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed tlansration: "make the model for me, do the math, and be sure to explain it in babytalk ... no particular reason for that, of course, I'm just playing to the list." heh-heh. of course, the proviso is, "or fail miserably & you won't see Dick no mo'!" thus quoth: You might think so. Maake a model to see. >A geodesic has the greatest number of common elements for >enclosing a sphere, not a randome, so a geodesic would be >easiest to manufacture. A randome has exactly one element to manufacture. It is a surprise. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 05:01:09 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: ia dome structure of differing sizes... Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed it's also important to note (as I've noted, before) that there could be some thing to this, after all, if you're talking about pre- or post-stressed elements -- whether or not the idea of "randomity" has any validity per se, at all. as shingling is a verb, Dick completely misses the reality, with his obsession with the "unit-shingles," like some qabbalistic, freemasonic whack-o. thus quoth: >Second, the membrane can be in the form of conical >shingles, or like scales a fish, so that leaks are >virtually impossible. The elements overlap. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:08:03 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic domes Comments: To: Bronwyn C Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bronwyn, See my replies below: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bronwyn C" To: "joe s moore" Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: Geodesic domes > dear mr. Moore, > I am a grade six student studying geodesic > domes.i had afew quetions for you.I got your > e-mail from Mr.Littlewood.Here are some of my > questions for you. > 1. What is the math behind geodesi domes and triangles? http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-M.htm (scroll down to "Math/Geometry" and "Manufacturers"). A lot of the dome manufacturers have web sites with more details about the geometry and math. See also http://www.bfi.org/domes/makers.htm#hotlines > 2. What is the origin of geodesic domes? Fuller got the idea of the geodesic dome while working on his map projection. They are made out of triangulated "great circles" (or equators); see http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-Tri.htm > 3. Why aren't geodesic domes used in everyday life? For a list of domes by country or USA state see: http://buckminster.info/Index/Dome-Dt.htm Domes for commercial use have caught on much more than for residential use. For example see http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-C.htm for a list of domes in California, Canada, China, etc. > thankyou for your time.Any of th equestions you > could answer would be much appriecied. > P.S > could you e-mail me asap because my project > is due this Thursday > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:18:40 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: dome structuring of different size In-Reply-To: <3E374D93.2CC4647@domeincorporated.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The elements are vertex elements rather than edge or face elements. A vertex is, at minimum, one tetrahedron. The vertexes can be cones which can overlap and self adjust as they are fastened together. These are asymmetric structures even thought they can be very spherical, if that is a requirement. A vertex can be thought of as composed of three 1/2 edges, and three 1/3 faces. A vertex contains a compound angle, or cuvature. Edges and faces do not have this built-in curvature. It is this built-in curvature that allows this method of spherical construction. These cone elements crease-on-assembly to define the edges and face. This is a similiar thing that happens during construction of a plydome. A homemade model helps to understand the simplicity, which is startling. I always ask, how could this be new? How was this missed? Dick --- Blair Wolfram wrote: > Dick, help me. You say there are arbitrary distances > between > the vertexes, yet you say there is one size element. > Aren't > you contradicting yourself? > > Blair __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:28:37 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: ia dome structure of differing sizes... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > it's also important to note (as I've noted, before) that > there could be some thing to this, after all, > if you're talking about pre- or post-stressed elements -- > whether or not the idea of "randomity" has any validity > per se, at all. > as shingling is a verb, > Dick completely misses the reality, > with his obsession with the "unit-shingles," > like some qabbalistic, freemasonic whack-o. You'd know about them, traveling in their small circles. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:30:48 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: ia dome structure of differing sizes... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > tlansration: > "make the model for me, > do the math, and be sure to explain it in babytalk ... > no particular reason for that, of course, > I'm just playing to the list." > > heh-heh. of course, the proviso is, > "or fail miserably & you won't see Dick no mo'!" It's a little late for this kind of talk, Brian. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:37:17 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: <3E3756DA.3DB57FF1@domeincorporated.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Blair Wolfram wrote: > From the same patent below: > Spherical icosahedron.- An icosahedron "exploded" onto > the surface > of a sphere; bears the same relation to an icosahedron as > a > spherical triangle bears to a plane triangle; the sides > of the > faces of the spherical icosahedron are all geodesic > lines. > > Blair Wolfram wrote: > > > Dick wrote: (regarding geodesic domes) > > "Anyone have the official definition?" > > > > >From U.S. Patent Office #2,682,235 Richard Buckminster > Fuller. > > > > Definition of terms; > > Geodesic.- Of or pertaining to great circles of a > sphere, or > > of arcs of such circles; as a geodesic line, hence a > line > > which is a great circle or arc thereof; and as a > geodesic > > pattern, hence a pattern created by the intersections > of great > > circle lines or arcs, or their chords. This definition is inclusive of randomes. Randomes are asymmetric icosahedral. > > > > The praise > > > > came from Ron Resch, this was good enough for me. > > > > > > Ron said I could call a randome a synergetic dome, so > > > that's what I'll do. I like the sound of that. I do > not > > > understand Ron's definition of a geodesic dome. It is > > > something about all vertexes falling on vertexes of a > > > spherical icosahedron. I thought a geodesic dome was > an > > > omnitriangulated structure made of great circle > chords. > > > This is what a randome is but I guess that's not the > > > definition of a geodesic dome. > > > > > > Anyone have the official definition? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:44:04 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > I thought that I'd harped on you, > yesterday; what happenned? > that formula that you jerked from _S_, > only has one very tiny application, and > doesn't apply to your "n" crappola; for instance, > teh formula is different for n-freq octahedra, but > it doesn't really apply to *any* other shape, > but the shape *before* it is "freq'd." (show, > why that is so, as an exercise ... Stick with "n is greater than 11" and you will be fine. As I said, 10f^2=n is for the IVM too, which is inclusive of the tet and the octa. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:12:24 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Subject: Re: Do-no-van In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Che gerardo,=20 Donde vivo yo, algunos le gustan a las mollejas, pero depende de como esta= n preparadas. =20 Persobnalemnete, prefiero zumo de zanahoria. pancho El 20/1/03 19:28, "Gerardo Garcia" escribi=F3: > does not mean "the car Jesus would be using this days" >=20 > Donovan was a singer that would be singing this days: >=20 > Frank is mad about Quincy > Quincy is mad about Dick >=20 > but what worries me is that Fuller was not mad about T. de Chardin > and T. de Chardin was not mad about him >=20 > and lately >=20 > Nader is not mad about Nash > and John Forbes Nash is not mad about him >=20 > or BFI.org mad about Nader >=20 > could anybody comment >=20 > http://www.counterpunch.org/nader01202003.html ? >=20 > could this be close to the "weaponry towards livingry" analysis? >=20 > Gerardo Garc=EDa > Tampico, M=E9xico >=20 > PS. Frank, "molleja" is no so Spanish-universally used. Here, it only > means a part of the chicken digestive system, and some people find it > tasteful. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:41:25 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Do-no-van Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Frank >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Do-no-van >Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:12:24 +0100 Pancho, you are going to get the English speaking personnel worried: remember the General Dynamics (California based missile venue) Scottish guy saying about his working place: Black people were the strongest (could stay more than 24 hours standing) White people were the childish Jewish were the genius but (sounds like Fuller's diatribe against specialists and in favor of generalists) Latinos were the people that made a work meeting function!! an anglo-Scotthish-white-if not as children won't get into heavens kingdom-retired guy in the Malibu, Apts. (Austin, TX) laundry place dixit. Gerardo García Tampico, Tam. PS. Che, only in my greatest Argentinian dreams >Che gerardo, > > >Donde vivo yo, algunos le gustan a las mollejas, pero depende de como >estan >preparadas. > >Persobnalemnete, prefiero zumo de zanahoria. > >pancho > >El 20/1/03 19:28, "Gerardo Garcia" escribió: > > > does not mean "the car Jesus would be using this days" > > > > Donovan was a singer that would be singing this days: > > > > Frank is mad about Quincy > > Quincy is mad about Dick > > > > but what worries me is that Fuller was not mad about T. de Chardin > > and T. de Chardin was not mad about him > > > > and lately > > > > Nader is not mad about Nash > > and John Forbes Nash is not mad about him > > > > or BFI.org mad about Nader > > > > could anybody comment > > > > http://www.counterpunch.org/nader01202003.html ? > > > > could this be close to the "weaponry towards livingry" analysis? > > > > Gerardo García > > Tampico, México > > > > PS. Frank, "molleja" is no so Spanish-universally used. Here, it only > > means a part of the chicken digestive system, and some people find it > > tasteful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:32:26 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Belt Subject: Re: Do-no-van / specalization In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Gerardo Garcia wrote: <<<<>>>: > >From: Frank > >Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:12:24 +0100 > > > but (sounds like Fuller's diatribe against specialists and in favor of > generalists) > Gerardo Garc=EDa > Tampico, Tam. =2E....................................... =09Fuller's message about specialization or his major point is to NOT: _OVER_specialize. This does not mean to not specialize. The concept is even more meaningful now with the speed of change and new development. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:01:00 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Subject: Go winze-schtick In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hola wince3, =20 Just wondering if you and dipstick ever have that telephone chat? Pancho P.s. You guys give even more laughs than tz at laffaday. Go winze-schtick Tambien en tampico El 22/1/03 23:56, "Quincy Quincy Quincy" escribi=F3: > please. don't pretend to be the Great Model Maker, > from a fishing-trip on the web. at least, > you've never given any indication of the viability > of your "skunkworks" -like method of instantaneous models. >=20 > go, Fischstichk! >=20 > --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): > Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis? > "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) > http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:50:50 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed if you want some thing done, correctly ... do I have to plough through _S_, myself, to show you that you're wrong?... I don't think, so!... anyway, Euler's formula applies only to simple polyhedra, not arrays of them (and other forms apply to non-simple polyhedra of different "geni"). incidentally, I made a big mistake, because of the nebulousness of your argument, but the general idea is still there, and no "model" to which you can apply it, apparently. thus quoth: Stick with "n is greater than 11" and you will be fine. As I said, 10f^2=n is for the IVM too, which is inclusive of the tet and the octa. --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H.O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees. News? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:45:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: dome structuring of different size Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "Dick," you insufferable twinkie, just about every thing that you type is crap, and if this list weren't populated by a general lack of constr4uctive geometry (unlike herr doktor-professor Fuller), you wouldn't repeatedly make the same, bogus say-soes, thinking that I'm the only one who could do it. for instance, and very simply, how could an "n-verton" be "icosahedral," seeing as that *always-and-only* has 12 vertices? (or, we can just call it the regular dodecaPHIasteron, where "phi" is taken to mean fiveness ... unless someone knows a Greek letter that fills that, better .-) the entire application of the ne'er-defined term, random, is wrong on its face, when you use it simply because your supposed "craft" method is supposedly so slipshod-simple -- I mean, have you ever actually done it? repeating again the criticism of your so-called compound curvature -- and Steve Miller had you in the corner on this, firstly, and he's done the relavent plydome stuff, I believe -- this is *only* simple, cylindrical curvature, and is known per Bucky et al as "induced strutting." now, isn't what you are actually referring to, induced cylindrical curvature and adjacent parts, uncurved? please, go, Fischstichk! thus quoth: These cone elements crease-on-assembly to define the edges and face. This is a similiar thing that happens during construction of a plydome. --A HYDROGEN (sic; cracked methane) ECONOMY?... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER 25 -- THYROID STORM _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:01:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: geodesic Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed re shingling, which you seem to be unable to handle, it is a simple matter to plan it out, with a simple, stick-figure diagram of the polyhedron, and a suitable labelling; it's just a matter of parity or handedness! that is to say, "edge to edge" doesn't cut it, as you elide over the problem of joinery (or, at the very minimum, "shingling the shingles" -- sheesh !-) you just dig yourself ever-deeper into your bottoml;ess whole, "Dick." thus quoth: Just cut some great circle arcs, form them into acute cones and attach them edge to edge. It is that simple. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:56:55 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: geodesic Comments: cc: GeoJourney@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed yes, that's what I think, although I can't decide who you might "really" be, other than an "Eliza" -type o'bot. and, no; if you ever sent your address to the list, I didn't see it. what planet?... perhaps, the "spacetime" is different in your Universe, and this could explain your anamolous "results;" eh? thus quoth: >Dick is an imaginary character with trolled results. Do you really think this???? I've even given you my SS number and address. Give me a call. Who created this character?? --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 05:01:40 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: geodesic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed [sob: I was tossed-off o'GeoJourney, two, for trying to get at "Dick" and his ****.] did you see the explanation of what happens when GRACE orbits over a bigger mass? also, the Sunday NYT of just over two weeks ago has my ultimate reference to Harry-the-Potter, in the etymology of "brinksmanship!" --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:13:33 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Subject: H In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hola leifur et al.=20 maybe he'd fel better if'n you snail mail him a tube of preparation H? molleja El 28/1/03 07:42, "Leifur Thor" escribi=F3: > Actually Quincy, I didn't notice anything per say about his formula that > didn't seem right. >=20 > I would put this to you though Quincy. Why are you so critical, of > everything and everyone? If you are as enlightened as you profess to be, = I > would think you'd have more hope in others and humanity. >=20 > Lighten up Quincy, and try something new. See if you can spend an entire = day > without telling anyone how you are feeling, or your critical opinion of > someone else. >=20 >=20 >> From: Quincy Quincy Quincy >> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >> >> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:01:01 +0000 >> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... >>=20 >> what a crank; >> didn't you notice that the forumla are different >> for differnt trigonated shapes, >> viz the hexasteron (octahedron) ?? >>=20 >> thus quoth: >> Euler says: >>=20 >> v+f=3De+2 >>=20 >> By knowing v, the number of vertexes(your cells), we know >> the ratio of faces and edges. For omnitriangulated >> polyhedra, there are 3 edges per 2 faces per each (vertex >> minus 2). >>=20 >> 10f^2+2=3Dn, >>=20 >> therefore, >>=20 >> f=3Droot[(n-2)/10] >>=20 >> Each cell can have the same alpha, angular deficit. >>=20 >> --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H. O'Neill, reelected >> to Board of Trustees. News? >> http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ >>=20 >> --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): >> Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... >> So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, >> for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" >> "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) >> http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) >> http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html >> http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX >>=20 >> _________________________________________________________________ >> STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >> http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:22:08 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Your Private Sky exhibit Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Loren, According to the book _Your Private Sky R Buckminster Fuller, the Art of Design Science_ on page 83, Bucky made that drawing about Feb 1928, which would have made him 33 years old. Ref: http://rtfm.bytecamp.net/~su/bucky/index.php?bild=17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: re: Your Private Sky exhibit > From: domeman@uswest.net > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:04:35 -0700 > > >Joe, > > > >Thank you for taking us to the exhibit! Did you catch the > >shadow of the Expo '67 dome model on the child's drawing > >(right side)? It looks like a water mark. Did Fuller draw > >this as a young boy? > > > Loren > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:38:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Your Private Sky Traveling Exhibit Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's another Your Private Sky exhibit website (museum in Switzerland) = that has a few dome pics: http://www.museenkoeln.de/ausstellungen/mak_0212_fuller/ -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:06:11 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Equalateral Tri's in a Lattice? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed but there are in the 3D "cartesian" grid, such as every-other vertex of a hexahedron ("qyoob"), or the tetrahedron. the hexahedral grid is a subset -- every-other vertex -- of the "IVM," or the space-filling of octahedra and tetrahedra in a 1:2 ration. you can thus see why it is that this grid is of such interest. "Rainer Rosenthal" wrote in message news:... >Isn't there some nice proof, using elementary group >theory? If you had such an impossible equilateral >triangle in the square grid, then you would have a >rotation R such that R^6 = identity for quite a lot >grid points. Seems quite impossible, regarding the >symmetries of the square grid. It would be nice, if >somebody could tell something enlightening here. --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H.O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:30:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: geodesic In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't confuse acute and obtuse cones, Brian. The acute cones form a framework. The obtuse cones form the scale-like shingles. Look at fish scales to see if they shingle. This is all structuring-as-you-go. The curvature is built in to each element. --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > re shingling, > which you seem to be unable to handle, > it is a simple matter to plan it out, > with a simple, stick-figure diagram of the polyhedron, > and > a suitable labelling; > it's just a matter of parity or handedness! > that is to say, > "edge to edge" doesn't cut it, as > you elide over the problem of joinery (or, > at the very minimum, "shingling the shingles" -- > sheesh !-) > thus quoth: > Just cut some great circle arcs, form them into acute > cones > and attach them edge to edge. It is that simple. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:36:24 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: geodesic In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ask anyone who attended the SNEC meeting at Design Science Toys at Tivoli, NY last weekend if I am real. It's also on video. --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > yes, that's what I think, although > I can't decide who you might "really" be, other > than an "Eliza" -type o'bot. and, no; > if you ever sent your address to the list, > I didn't see it. what planet?... perhaps, > the "spacetime" is different in your Universe, and > this could explain your anamolous "results;" eh? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:40:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > incidentally, > I made a big mistake, because of the nebulousness > of your argument, but > the general idea is still there, and no "model" > to which you can apply it, apparently. You've had 18 months to make a model and you will not do it because you are not naive. Too bad. You'd have a lot to offer otherwise. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:29:50 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: YOUR PRIVATE SKY Comments: To: BuckminsterFuller@groups.msn.com Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For tons (700+) Bucky pics (domes, octet truss, car, Bucky, etc) go to http://www.buckminster.info//Pics/ -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:41:36 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: is a dome stucture of differing sizes possible with... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed you haven't convinced any one of your scheme, as you've simply illuded answers to any real questions; I mean, "well, do fish not play scales, dude?" etc. ad vomitorium. throughout these months of exchanges, you show the perspacity (sp.?) of a Mitnick in "social engineering," or alternatively as of the IO of an online "bot." when will you ever learn ... some constructive geometry? allusions to far-away addresses --other than your alleged boat in the Marina, here-- and longplaying videos are just BS, because you know that I have no intention of "going, there," just because I know, I won't find you, there. by "you," I mean you & your silly randomes. you are just mooning us, with back-assewards taunt of "** yours," Bucky-prheaks! for intance, you make a nonsensical reference to my confusion of "acute and obtuse cones;" just think that out, you pinned-head. anyway, the whole idea of shingling is to a) just to be able to do it by maintaing parities, and b) to do it effectively to shed water (obviously of know concern in free-fall; is *that* where you is ?-) --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul H.O'Neill, reelected to Board of Trustees. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:42:21 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: geodesic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed you haven't convinced any one of your scheme, as you've simply illuded answers to any real questions; I mean, "well, do fish not play scales, dude?" etc. ad vomitorium. throughout these months of exchanges, you show the perspacity (sp.?) of a Mitnick in "social engineering," or alternatively as of the IO of an online "bot." when will you ever learn ... some constructive geometry? allusions to far-away addresses --other than your alleged boat in the Marina, here-- and longplaying videos are just BS, because you know that I have no intention of "going, there," just because I know, I won't find you, there. by "you," I mean you & your silly randomes. you are just mooning us, with back-assewards taunt of "** yours," Bucky-prheaks! for intance, you make a nonsensical reference to my confusion of "acute and obtuse cones;" just think that out, you pinned-head. anyway, the whole idea of shingling is to a) just to be able to do it by maintaing parities, and b) to do it effectively to shed water (obviously of know concern in free-fall; is *that* where you is ?-) --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:50:55 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: geodesic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed here is the salient thing, O Great Modelbuilder in the pCy: you didn't notice what mistake I'd made; did you?... is that because your models are a tissue-mache of little white lies? at least, you can wipe yourself afterward with the "findings!" thus quoth: You've had 18 months to make a model and you will not do it because you are not naive. Too bad. You'd have a lot to offer otherwise. --UN HYDROGEN (sic; methane crackment) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (contents partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDER DE MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail