From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Jun 15 11:49:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from acsu.buffalo.edu (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.57]) by linux00.LinuxForce.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i5FFnSa6011918 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:49:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200406151549.i5FFnSa6011918@linux00.LinuxForce.net> Received: (qmail 12453 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 15:49:27 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 15:49:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:49:27 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Buffalo (1.8e)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG0302" To: Chris Fearnley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.71, clamav-milter version 0.71 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on linux00.LinuxForce.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.5 required=5.7 tests=BAYES_70,DEAR_SOMETHING, HTML_MESSAGE,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: xxxxx Status: RO Content-Length: 150034 Lines: 3811 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 09:16:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: [geodesic dome homes] hexadome Comments: To: youngwillyd@hotmail.com Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Willy, I'm not sure if any of these are Hexadomes, but go to http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-N.htm and scroll down to "North Carolina". You might also try contacting Hexadome directly; see http://members.cts.com/portfolio/h/hexadome/ (new address) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 7:23 AM Subject: [geodesic dome homes] hexadome > > I am wanting to see a hexadome. Does anybody know of one within a few > hours drive of central North Carolina? I have found a geodesic dome > just a few miles from my house. It is deep in the woods so someone > has to tell you where it is or you will never find it. > > Thanks > > Willy ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:00:03 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: *MONTHLY POSTING* - GEODESIC 'how-to' info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the monthly "How To" file about the GEODESIC list. 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Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:00:45 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Spherical cube Comments: To: sphere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How many steradians are there in one face of a cube? 12pi/6 or 2pi, maybe? Dick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 23:45:33 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Spherical cube Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed 4pi divided by um 7? thus quoth: How many steradians are there in one face of a cube? --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) crackment) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER COUP d'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDER du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:15:23 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Hey Joe, I just started a new group and could use your help Comments: To: Leifur Thor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leifur, Yeh, I'll join. If it starts to take up too much time, I can always unsubscribe--like I had to do with the group that specializes in Synergetics geometry (Kirby urner et al). See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/synergeo/ FYI, see the more general Bucky group that I started a while back at MSN: http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller My collection of 700+ Bucky pics are at http://www.buckminster.info//Pics/ Please keep in mind that they are made available under the "Fair Use" provisions of the Copyright law. If a person wants to use them for non-educational purposes, ie commercial use, then one would have to track down the copyright owner(s) I was fortunate enough to see the Bucky play when it first opened in San Diego. It is excellent! It really covers most of Bucky's basic ideas. Better than any videotape that presently exists. I hope it's OK with you that I am forwarding a copy of this reply to the Geodesic list. There are quite a few people there that should be interested in this new communication link. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leifur Thor" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Hey Joe, I just started a new group and could use your help > It's a yahoo group primarily set up for folks who've seen the one man play > about Bucky, and wish to continue dialog about design science and any other > thoughts about the play or things they are doing or would like to do > regarding design science. > > I was hoping you could help the forum out with some of the images you have, > and more importantly offering the same excellent resource referrals to folks > who are looking for more info about Bucky, domes, design science etc. > > If you'd be interested in helping out, here's the link to sign up. You're > the first one I've contacted about this because if you could seed the forum > with images from your archives in the photo section within the groups area, > and hang in there as it begins to fill up with more and more folks. > > This was my idea to create a virtual community where people could come and > continue the discussion and dialog. And I can sure use all the help I can > get from the people like yourself with more experience. > > this is the first group I've ever created, so there may be some bumps along > the way. I've put the settings to where I'd like to have them though for > folks who sign up. > > It's hours old, and so there's no one but me signed up, but I'm hoping in > the next week or two to get as many as we can get signed on to it. > > To learn more about the Design_Science group, please > visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Design_Science > > It would also help me to know if you're able to sign up with it so you get > emails like the geo list we're on now, and that they're commercial free. > > If you don't want to participate, I'll totally understand. > > > Thanks, > > Leifur Thor > ____________________________ > Design Scientist > 415-681-3519 > www.home.earthlink.net/~lthor/ > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:43:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Hey Joe, I just started a new group and could use your help Comments: To: Leifur Thor Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leifur, I forgot to mention the three geodesic domes group at Yahoo. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Domes/ , http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icosahedrondome/ and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dome_Living/ -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leifur Thor" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Hey Joe, I just started a new group and could use your help > It's a yahoo group primarily set up for folks who've seen the one man play > about Bucky, and wish to continue dialog about design science and any other > thoughts about the play or things they are doing or would like to do > regarding design science. > > I was hoping you could help the forum out with some of the images you have, > and more importantly offering the same excellent resource referrals to folks > who are looking for more info about Bucky, domes, design science etc. > > If you'd be interested in helping out, here's the link to sign up. You're > the first one I've contacted about this because if you could seed the forum > with images from your archives in the photo section within the groups area, > and hang in there as it begins to fill up with more and more folks. > > This was my idea to create a virtual community where people could come and > continue the discussion and dialog. And I can sure use all the help I can > get from the people like yourself with more experience. > > this is the first group I've ever created, so there may be some bumps along > the way. I've put the settings to where I'd like to have them though for > folks who sign up. > > It's hours old, and so there's no one but me signed up, but I'm hoping in > the next week or two to get as many as we can get signed on to it. > > To learn more about the Design_Science group, please > visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Design_Science > > It would also help me to know if you're able to sign up with it so you get > emails like the geo list we're on now, and that they're commercial free. > > If you don't want to participate, I'll totally understand. > > > Thanks, > > Leifur Thor > ____________________________ > Design Scientist > 415-681-3519 > www.home.earthlink.net/~lthor/ > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:01:11 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Hey Joe, I just started a new group and could use your help Comments: To: Leifur Thor Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leifur, Sorry for all the emails but I also failed to mention three Bucky-related groups at MSN: http://groups.msn.com/GeodesicDomeHomes/home.htm , http://groups.msn.com/RichardBuckminsterFuller/home.htm and http://groups.msn.com/TheGlobalLivingryService/home.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leifur Thor" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Hey Joe, I just started a new group and could use your help > It's a yahoo group primarily set up for folks who've seen the one man play > about Bucky, and wish to continue dialog about design science and any other > thoughts about the play or things they are doing or would like to do > regarding design science. > > I was hoping you could help the forum out with some of the images you have, > and more importantly offering the same excellent resource referrals to folks > who are looking for more info about Bucky, domes, design science etc. > > If you'd be interested in helping out, here's the link to sign up. You're > the first one I've contacted about this because if you could seed the forum > with images from your archives in the photo section within the groups area, > and hang in there as it begins to fill up with more and more folks. > > This was my idea to create a virtual community where people could come and > continue the discussion and dialog. And I can sure use all the help I can > get from the people like yourself with more experience. > > this is the first group I've ever created, so there may be some bumps along > the way. I've put the settings to where I'd like to have them though for > folks who sign up. > > It's hours old, and so there's no one but me signed up, but I'm hoping in > the next week or two to get as many as we can get signed on to it. > > To learn more about the Design_Science group, please > visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Design_Science > > It would also help me to know if you're able to sign up with it so you get > emails like the geo list we're on now, and that they're commercial free. > > If you don't want to participate, I'll totally understand. > > > Thanks, > > Leifur Thor > ____________________________ > Design Scientist > 415-681-3519 > www.home.earthlink.net/~lthor/ > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:37:06 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Spherical cube Comments: cc: Design_Science@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed in deference to Bucky and for ease of reference, we can always refer to it as "le hexahedron," or always put "qyoob" into quotes ... because that's a dumb name?... likewise, tetragon for "square!" thus qutoh: How many steradians are there in one face of a cube? --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformant) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDER du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:48:42 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: dome playhouse Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa, For the frame I suggest taking a look at the Bamboo Dome section of Desert Domes's website: http://www.desertdomes.com/bamboo/ This is really just 3-way basket weaving; see http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTensegRigid.htm The skin should be hung internally so it won't flap in the wind; see http://buckminster.info/Ideas/08-IcosDomeLargetTents.htm Also see http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/geodesic_tent.html -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:12 PM Subject: dome playhouse > From: Lisasnote@aol.com > Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 16:47:33 EST > > I would like to build a geodesic dome play house for my > daughter made with waterproof fabric any ideas on how to > do it ? I live in Florida and they sell bamboo here I > thought it could be made with that or maybe plastic pipe > does anyone know of a good plan I can use? Any ideas on > how to make it? > > Lisa > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:11:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Fwd: Re: [Sph] Spherical cube MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Martin Trump wrote: > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:18:39 +0000 > To: Dick Fischbeck > CC: geodesic group , > sphere > From: Martin Trump > Subject: Re: [Sph] Spherical cube > > Hi Dick > > >How many steradians are there in one face of a cube? > > > >12pi/6 or 2pi, maybe? > > A unit radius sphere has surface area 4 * pi hence 4 * pi > steradians in > a sphere. > > 6 faces on a cube so 4 * pi /6 = 2/3 * pi steradians per > cube face. > > Hope I've got right this time :-) > > Regards. > -- > Martin Trump __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:46:12 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony Comments: To: Design_Science@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed sorry; I didn't compare between two strings. it was just listening alternatively between the fretted & node-touched string, the lowest-tuned one, of course. it's really just expanding on the idea of chekcing the intonation of a fretted instrument, by plucking the octave harmonic and then with the twelfth fret held. (if it isn't good, you have to move the bridge.) I suppose taht we should blame the "Well-tempered Clavier" for this usual "mystaque;" eh? QncyMI@netscape.net (Brian Quincy Hutchings) wrote in message news:... >my ranking was just relative beat-frequencies >between teh harmonics & the fretted notes; >one can take any string as the putative "C" >for the sake of the principle. > it seems taht this'll come-up >with the usual comparison between "modes," and >you can also see how it is that >the form of the Blues has vamped on this phenomenon >(that is, after extensive experience with Gospel music, >as apparently classicized via Dvorak .-) > >I think you'll see the liturgical root of this, >when you find the most harmonious mode >on the "white keys." --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformant) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDER du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:03:22 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed OK; so, ti wasn't Bucky who designed the key of "C," alas! thus quoth: You have been banned from the group Design_Science. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:44:36 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's an interesting link on subject at hand (don't fret the pun) Ouch I did it again, (no apologies to Britney's belly button) http://www.instituteforattachment.org/entry/results.php?article_id=10 http://www.hope-future.org/samonas.htm http://www.toolsforwellness.com/ce301.html Music therapy built from modern research and tried and true in medical institutes And now for something completely different, a pot shot at Q-bert's B.elief S.ystem http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=374164&host=3&dir=507 No surprise to the first Director of Lawerence Livermore Biomedical Research Divison, as well as the co-discoveror of U232 & 233, as well as P 232 & 233, and a continuing list of cutting edge research in the Nuclear industry http://www.ratical.org/radiation/CNR/RIC/chp21F.html#part1 http://www.ratical.org/radiation/inetSeries/nwJWG.html And a kicker http://www.radiation.org/pressrelease042600.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 04:28:17 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed imagine if you could see 10 octaves; you'd be tripping-out til you went to sleep. I couldn't get your thing on radiation from The Independent, but that may be because of your always-verbose URLs. anyway, this is why we always, always give a precis, or at least some indication of the "thing at hand." did the folks who dyscovered some isoptopes, somehow change the rules on stuff? do you know who collected all of the "DU" taht was scattered across Iraq in Sir George's and Dame Maggie's War? thus quoth: http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=374164&host=3&dir=507 No surprise to the first Director of Lawerence Livermore Biomedical Research --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:57:09 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Forbidden geodesic Comments: To: mail@biagiodicarlo.com Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Biagio, See http://www.travelchinaguide.com/picture/beijing/forbidden_city/000215.htm This is in front of the Gate of Supreme Harmony. See also _Shelter_, page 111. and http://www.travelchinaguide.com/picture/beijing/forbidden_city/001512.htm This one is in front of the Gate of Celestial Purity. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: Forbidden geodesic > Please where I can find more info about the sphere and the lion sculpture > from the Beijing Forbidden City ? > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:26:45 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm skeptical about any kind of "sound therapy," other than learning how to sing in a choir; you'll never know when you're out of tune, without the others in the group! --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:52:08 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: lion sphere Comments: To: mail@biagiodicarlo.com Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For info about John Warren & his work with Bucky see: http://rocknfish.com/BioWarren-Fuller.html -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mail@biagiodicarlo.com=20 To: Joe S Moore=20 Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: lion sphere About DERESONATED TENSEGRITIES My info is about John Warren , the = last Fuller works, The WINDSTAR BIODOME , Amy Edmondson .....Someting = else ? bdc ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:24:10 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Nuclear Models MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tell Andersson from Varberg, Sweden, has built beautiful models of the = various nuclear particles such as protons, neutrons, electrons, quarks, = etc, using Bucky's Minimum Tetrahedra or Mites; see = http://tell.lumbus.net/ -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 19:13:11 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Octahedron Coloring Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed also, are enantiamorphs considered toi be the same?... the octahedron and octasteron (hexahedron or "qyoob") all have the 3-fold, 4-fold and 2-fold symmetries (although the "handedness" of the latter are the same, if you switch from looking on the inside to the outside .-) "The Last Danish Pastry" wrote in message news:... > > color the vertices of the cube (the octahedron's dual) I get 7!/3=1680 >due > > to the 3 rotations of any corner. All such rotations yield >corresponding > > octahedron's where each face has the same neighbors but obviously are > > 'different' (i.e. one cannot be obtained from the other by rotating). I > > asked the student to find me two distinct octahedrons (with faces >numbered > 1 > > through 8) with face 1 colored green and colored as above which were the > > same but havn't received any takers yet? What am I missing? As I am >One face will be colored green. Make that face the base. The opposite face >can be colored in 7 different ways. > >We now have six colors left. Chose one of them. There are only _two_ >essentially different ways of using that color. Either we paint a face that >shares an edge with the bottom face, or not... --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:28:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Update on the "foam" debris Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed two things piqued my interest in the LATimes: a) that a good, old ablative insulation was not used at three times the cost (must be replaced, every cycle); b) that, as I didn't know from the fuzzy picture, the foam-hunk apparently fell-off when the shuttle was going at 1900mph. b-sub-1) what are the aerodynamic & vibrational modes of the missing foam on the external tank; b-sub-2) the foam insulation was a new process from '98, when the EPA made them get rid of Freon (tm) -- you can thank the Bronfman gang for that, in part. now, as I can't think of any other foaming-agent that is as good, how was the strenght & application of the foam, affected? a-sub-1) a big injection molding? Uncle Al wrote in message news:<3E429D87.42F4A9D1@hate.spam.net>... >Your life and a $2.1 billion vehicle depend upon the surface >perfection of 22,000 unique and perfectly gapped tiles with the >consistency of hard wheat crackers. 20 years of documentation says >debris from the external fuel tank - shed ice and even the foam >insulation itself - comes off during launch and impacts those tiles, >damaging them in large swaths. The Shuttle's leading edges and the >bottom are especially liable to damage, which is where the major >thermal loads occur. If the tiles fail you have 3000+ C heat feeding >into an aluminum airframe at Mach 16 on re-entry, noting that aluminum >undergoes structural failure by 400 C. > >Should there be an inspection procedure prior to attempted return? --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 11:50:10 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Rolf Disch's house on a pole MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Picture Gallery from Rolf Disch's house-on-a-pole Heliotrop project: http://www.rolfdisch.de/project.asp?id=103&sid=-1301429846 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:29:41 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Nuclear Models Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed so, where can we "go" to see them -- or dowe actually have to *go*, there?... OH: it was at the end of a line that didn't "carriage-return!" thus quoth: Tell Andersson from Varberg, Sweden, has built beautiful models of the various nuclear particles such as protons, neutrons, electrons, quarks, etc, using Bucky's Minimum Tetrahedra or Mites; see http://tell.lumbus.net/ --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:34:29 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Nuclear Models Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed like, very heavymetal,dood! http://tell.lumbus.net/graviton/graviton.asp thus quoth: My (strange) nuclear theory (partly) originated with a reappraisal of the cube - investigating the potential of the cube – a departure from the negative connotations placed on the cube by Fuller. The net effect of this has been a corresponding re-emergence of the VE (probably some subtle logic here) - it seems to appear almost everywhere: --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:31:20 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Quincy Quincy Quincy >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony >Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:26:45 +0000 The "medical" board of the Vienna boys were sleeping while the Hungarians, Finninsh, et al were developing a new kind of choir singing therapies: one that looked for answers in the past, one that looked for answers in the future. Static non-evolutionary choir singing can make you sick (old at least, in the sense of the Zimmerman lyrics: "I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now"). choir singing is a collective activity not signaled (or perceived) as counter-individualistic. Maybe you should recommend Sadam and Bush to sing in the same choir, instead of fight each other. Gerardo García Tampico, México >I'm skeptical about any kind of "sound therapy," >other than learning how to sing in a choir; >you'll never know when you're out of tune, >without the others in the group! > >--Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected >to Board. Newsish? >http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:49:22 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Nuclear Models Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Joe S Moore >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU the nuclear models and the heliotrope on a pole http://www.rolfdisch.de/project.asp?id=103&sid=-1301429846 are the heliopostings of the list poll with this pace, the larouchepub will be posting its secrets (articles for free, patents, etc.) to the list in the next few days anybody else feels like posting worthwile secrets in the patent run, to the list? Something to work in collectively? Gerardo García Tampico, Tam. >Subject: Nuclear Models >Tell Andersson from Varberg, Sweden, has built beautiful models of the >various nuclear particles such as protons, neutrons, electrons, quarks, >etc, using Bucky's Minimum Tetrahedra or Mites; see http://tell.lumbus.net/ > >-------------------------------------------- >Joe S Moore >joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >http://buckminster.info >------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:23:28 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Teaching the Four Color Problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed well, the first part is easy. just say, Behold, The Tetrahedron! kcline17@hotmail.com (Kevin Cline) wrote in message news:... >terms, and show them that four colors are needed. Then show them that >any map can be converted to a map that is no easier to color, but >where all vertices have three edges. Show that coloring a map on a >plane and coloring a map on a sphere are the same problem. Show that >a map where all vertices are have an even number of edges can be >colored with two colors. Then give some history >of the four color problem. --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:57:32 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Fw: geodesic nightclub Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarded email: -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Styles" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:31 PM Subject: geodesic nightclub > I want to start a nightclub and was thinking a geodesic dome would be > a nice building for a nightclub. Any ideas, comments, thoughts or > suggestions? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:49:30 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Yo gerardo,=20 I suggested long ago that any politicial,, white green balck or butch, be REQUIRED to work at least 3 hours per week in a garden with a shovel and worms and the works. Might give 'em a biot more appreciation for what really matters. molleja El 9/2/03 23:31, "Gerardo Garcia" escribi=F3: >> From: Quincy Quincy Quincy >> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >> >> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony >> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:26:45 +0000 >=20 > The "medical" board of the Vienna boys were sleeping while the Hungarians= , > Finninsh, et al were developing a new kind of choir singing therapies: on= e > that looked for answers in the past, one that looked for answers in the > future. Static non-evolutionary choir singing can make you sick (old at > least, in the sense of the Zimmerman lyrics: "I was so much older then; I= 'm > younger than that now"). >=20 > choir singing is a collective activity not signaled (or perceived) as > counter-individualistic. Maybe you should recommend Sadam and Bush to si= ng > in the same choir, instead of fight each other. >=20 > Gerardo Garc=EDa > Tampico, M=E9xico >=20 >> I'm skeptical about any kind of "sound therapy," >> other than learning how to sing in a choir; >> you'll never know when you're out of tune, >> without the others in the group! >>=20 >> --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected >> to Board. Newsish? >> http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ >>=20 >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >> http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/featuredemail >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:44:57 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Yo molleja, I like your idea. Sort of lifelong reserve Civilian Conservation Corps. It is hard to get my ass off this chair and away from this computer. In China and I think other Communist countries, they seemed to go way overboard on having everyone work on the farm until they had purged all their elitist sentiments. Gross overkill. A few hour a week is more like it. Sorry, gotta run.... Bob Sanderson >Yo gerardo, > >I suggested long ago that any politicial,, white green balck or butch, be >REQUIRED to work at least 3 hours per week in a garden with a shovel and >worms and the works. Might give 'em a biot more appreciation for what >really matters. > >molleja ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:08:17 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: fwd:different twist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What a tool this is. > 1. a different twist (Anton Sherwood) > From: Anton Sherwood > To: sphere > Subject: [Sph] a different twist > > Repulsion on a sphere - with the twist that the particles > are in up to 9 > colors, and repel other colors more strongly than they > repel the same > color. At least that's one option. I can't tell what > sliders 2 and 3 > do; can you? > http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/repel/index2.html > > -- > Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:39:20 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: A call to all design scientists for some quick activity ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: salsbury Subject: A call to all design scientists for some quick activity Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:39:20 -0800 From: Patrick Salsbury - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, all! I'm sending this to multiple lists, so apologies if you get a couple copies of this. I've been working with Leifur Thor, a fellow design scientist from San Francisco to try and build a centralized clearing-house of info and links to resources of interest to the design science community. We're hoping it will become a rich portal that helps bring together many of the different projects, people, and publications covering the wide range of topics in design science. As such, we've constructed a new Wiki space (similar to the Sculptors Wiki on the Reality Sculptors website, but one that is focused on Design Science, rather than the many interwoven topics on the other wiki) and it's up and running at http://reality.sculptors.com/cgi-bin/dsc There's also an online design science forum on Yahoo, and we want to breathe life into that. This is where you all come in... We want to fill both with lots of links, images, projects and information, and show as many of the things going on in the field as possible. And since you *are* the community, who better to ask? :-) Please go to both URLs and check out the basic structure, learn how to edit and add content, then follow the existing format and add things to the pages. And if you could, please start ASAP. Leifur has been working closely with the producers of the Bucky Fuller play in San Francisco (if you're unfamiliar with this, check http://reality.sculptors.com/cgi-bin/wiki?BuckyPlay) and wants to show them what sort of resources are available online, so they'll put a mention of the new Design Science Community resources into the play program, or the lobby of the show. He's going to be giving them a demo of what we've built on *THIS* Friday night (3 days!) and we'd like to have as much there as we can. (That's why I mentioned the urgency for quick action.) I just went to see the play again last week, and it was, once again, fantastic and inspiring. And what was more exciting were the hundreds of people who had gotten excited and inspired by the play. They were asking questions, buying books and videos, and wanting to learn more about design science, and how they could get involved. To date, the play has run more than 400 shows, and been seen by more than 65,000 people! Leifur, I, and others who've been talking about it, think it's critical to provide a resource for those newly-inspired people so they can get involved and lend their mind-power to the problems facing the planet. That's what these new resources and forums are about. Yes, there are already lots of lists and websites and projects going on. Yes, we've all got a few links here and there pointing to our projects. We'd like this to become the "Yellow Pages" of the Design Science field. The first place people go, because they can find everything there. So please, jump in, and tell about your projects, provide links, and let's build it! The more we connect this community, the more synergy we'll create, and the more people/ideas/resources/support each of our projects will have to draw on. Truly a win-win-win situation. Thanks for your attention, and I hope to see your contributions on the new wiki and the forum. Pat ___________________Think For Yourself____________________ Patrick G. Salsbury - http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ Comprehensive, Anticipatory, Design Science: http://reality.sculptors.com/ --------------------------------------------------------- "Once you have the knowledge about making something better, and you have the ability to do it, then you have the responsibility." - Sanford Mazel - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Don't know what GPG is? Check http://www.pgpi.org/ iD8DBQE+SXuYHJeVqQarW2cRAhzRAKCyDh2BMOWBDKSXY/r2df5IJvA1ewCfWPiu LxnxLA/Q60swQBxlwQWhV0I= =jWaz - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:36:12 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony Comments: To: hadley howard , "jim peck GRASSJP"@aol.com In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable hola bob, Donno what i can do anymore. Even the people around me here think i=B9m nuts= . I=B9ll send you a great reprint article from long ago about ring gardening. It=B9ll hep you get off=B9n your can and be an example for butch et al. Pancho P.s. Che, gerardo. tambien en tampico........ El 11/2/03 15:44, "Bob" escribi=F3: > Yo molleja, >=20 > I like your idea. Sort of lifelong reserve Civilian Conservation > Corps. It is hard to get my ass off this chair and away from this > computer. In China and I think other Communist countries, they seemed > to go way overboard on having everyone work on the farm until they > had purged all their elitist sentiments. Gross overkill. A few hour > a week is more like it. Sorry, gotta run.... >=20 > Bob Sanderson >=20 >=20 >> Yo gerardo, >>=20 >> I suggested long ago that any politicial,, white green black or butch, = be >> REQUIRED to work at least 3 hours per week in a garden with a shovel and >> worms and the works. Might give 'em a bit more appreciation for what >> really matters. >>=20 >> molleja ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:12:30 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Emailing: www.bigpicturesmallworld MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Big Picture/Small World movie (Medard Gabel et al): http://www.bigpicturesmallworld.com/ -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:45:50 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Teaching the Four Color Problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed so, I guessthatyou noticed, Bukcy's say-so was really just about using the tetrahedron to show the *neccesity* of 4 colors, although this'd have to "formally" be extended (like, by showing that tetrgonal pyramid (half-octah.) does not need 5 colors,and so on). thus saith: well, the first part is easy. just say, Behold, The Tetrahedron! kcline17@hotmail.com (Kevin Cline) wrote in message news:... >terms, and show them that four colors are needed. Then show them that --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:55:45 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Forbidden geodesic Comments: To: mail@biagiodicarlo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Biagio, Go here http://members.msn.com/find.msnw?rr=189174171 and put Joe S in the First Name box and Moore in the Last Name box. Click on the joemoore1 in Arizona, USA. I fixed the problem. I had it set so that only MSN members could see my profile. I changed that to General Public. Thanks for the feedback. Joe -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Forbidden geodesic > JOE, I CANNOT SEE YOUR BIOGRAPHY.......biagio > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:55:40 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Intro from Kentucky Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Virginia, For a list of domes in Kentucky see: http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-K.htm (scroll down to "Kentucky") -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: Intro from Kentucky > From: Virginia Garrison > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:26:36 -0500 > > Hi, > > I am a veterinarian, changing from conventional medicine to > homeopathy, working mostly with pets and exotic animals. > > I just found this list. I live in a conventional house in > Lexington, Ky, and am still in the stages of deciding if a > dome is a doable project, given my families physical > limitations. I see that there are at least a few people on > the list from Kentucky. If anyone within a 3-4 hours drive > of Lexington would be willing to let us come by to see/help > with their dome, whether it is under construction, or > finished, please let me know. My e-mail address is > baryta@qx.net . > > Virginia Garrison ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 23:10:06 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Manhatten Dome Comments: To: ToMarsMark@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, See http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-C.htm (scroll down to "City/Manhattan") Also see http://www.buckminster.info//Pics/Icos-Dome-City-NYC-bw.jpg -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ToMarsMark@aol.com=20 To: joe_s_moore@HOTMAIL.COM=20 Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:30 AM Subject: Manhatten Dome Joe, Somewhere in my thousands of favorites awaits the link for the = picture of the Manhatten Dome. I searched for it yesterday, btu could not find it, do you mind = sending me the link? Thanking you in advance. Hope you folks don't mind me tweaking Q-bert's nose (N' more) = through the forum. It's a reflection of what I feel is an eye opening = necessary for him and those he does or would influence. be well, Mark ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:24:20 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Forbidden geodesic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed that's very amuzing, although I thought it was for a list, not your bio; just look at the ad, under "there's more about Joe, below!" http://64.4.30.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=5404e52f4d3e7b6b8494f9b217eca461&lat=1045332975&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2flistserv%2ebuffalo%2eedu%2fcgi%2dbin%2fwa%3fA2%3dind0302%26L%3dGEODESIC%26P%3dR1572 thus quoth: Go here http://members.msn.com/find.msnw?rr=189174171 and put Joe S in the First Name box and Moore in the Last Name box. Click on the joemoore1 in --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:38:43 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Massachusetts Domes Comments: To: Geoff Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geoff, Thanks for the info. I will add it ASAP. If you know of any other = domes, please let me know. If possible include address, city, state, = year and manufacturer. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Geoff=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:42 AM Subject: Massachusetts Domes There are two dome residences that I know of in Massachusetts which = you may want to add to your list when you next update. One is my home = in Otis. The other is in neighboring Sandisfield. (Both towns are in = Berkshire County). Great Website. Geoff C. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:36:35 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: b.f's car? Comments: To: Boogersnaut@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boogersnaut, Go to this page http://www.buckminster.info//Pics/ and scroll down to = Travel-Land-Car-Dymaxion. There are two pics of Bucky's car. Also, go to http://buckminster.info/Index/Dy-Dz.htm and scroll down to = Dymaxion/Car. There's a whole bunch of references to where you can get = more detailed information. I did a search for "Dymaxion car" & this is some of what I found: = http://www.thirteen.org/bucky/car.html http://www.washedashore.com/projects/dymax/ http://www.3wheelers.com/dymaxion.html http://www.cs.uwindsor.ca/meta-index/people/traylin/dymaxion.html http://www.automuseum.org/1934dymaxion.html http://rms.watertown.k12.wi.us/RMS_Staff/wollenburgm/Geodesic_Domes_Quest= /Mechanic.html -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Boogersnaut@aol.com=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 4:29 PM Subject: b.f's car? hi. i thought i had read somewhere that b.f. had developed a car that = got 62 mpg. do yuo know anything about this? if so let me know. thanks ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:51:20 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Dome Locations Comments: To: ROBERT VANCE Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, Thanks. Here's what I have so far for Delaware: http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-D.htm (scroll down to "Delaware") -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ROBERT VANCE=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: Dome Locations Joe, Our dome is located in Fenwick Island, Delaware. Bob Vance ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:17:50 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Looking for Dome using rebar. Comments: To: Ray Miller Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray, Here's a pic at BFI's website of a 16-frequency, 20' diameter welded rebar dome that Fuller did back in 1951: http://www.bfi.org/slideshtml/IMG0017.jpg -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Miller" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:28 PM Subject: Looking for Dome using rebar. > Please help me find a link I've lost with details on creating a > dome from 20 ft sections of rebar arched and tied with wire. > No hubs, no welding, no concrete. > > Also, what's a good link for a large variety of hub solutions? > > Thanks, > --------------------------- > Ray.Miller@Atsusa.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:25:45 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Partition of plane Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed using the geodesics on teh sphere (as a map of the complex plain e.g.) alleviates the distinction between inside & outside the circle ... and the circle, I guess, unless one takes teh equator (say) to be "the" circle, and one hemisphere to be inside; eh? rob@whim.org (Rob Johnson) wrote in message news:<20030216.051051@whim.org>... > >To count all the intersections, including those on and outside the > >circle, the formula would be C(C(n,2),2), which is also a fourth order > >polynomial. Its lead coefficient is 1/8, whereas C(n,4) has 1/24. > >Thus, for large n, approximately 1/3 of the intersections are inside > >the circle and 2/3 are outside. > >Actually, except in exceptional cases where several lines intersect at >the same point, there are exactly twice as many outside as inside. In >the same setup as above, the line containing A and B and the line >containing C and D intersect externally; also, the line containing A and >D and the line containing B and C intersect externally. Thus, for every >internal intersection there are exactly two external intersections. > >The formula C(C(n,2),2) counts the points of intersection on the circle >too many times. It counts the number of lines and then computes how >many intersections those lines could have. However, for n > 2, there >are n-1 lines intersecting at each point on the circle. That means that >each point is being counted C(n-1,2) times in C(C(n,2),2). > >Thus, to count only the internal and external intersections, we can use >C(C(n,2),2) - n C(n-1,2). Since there are C(n,4) internal intersections >and 2 C(n,4) external intersections, we should have > > C(C(n,2),2) - n C(n-1,2) = 3 C(n,4) > >Let us verify this: --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:36:33 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Partition of plane Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops: although "polygona" has been used to define the polyhedra, before, by Wiggener with reference to their vertices in _Spherical Models_, I've substituted "polyasteron" to avoid confusion with the "flat" ones, and also in dystinction with Bucky's neologism of "polyvertexion," although it has the same meaning ("many-starred" .-) (actually, as I recall, Wiggener didn't use it but in that most-generic sense. it's no problem, though, to use the number of identical apices, and i also add their number of legs, with a latinized Greek letter.) QncyMI@netscape.net (Brian Quincy Hutchings) wrote in message news:... >so long as the lines are in general position, taht is >that the points on the circumference are. it's the same >for a sphere divided by geodesics, which is the congruent >to a certain class of polygona having all, 4-way vertices >(polyXIastera, which is nicer than Bucky's "polyvertexion" .-) --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsoid? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:15:15 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Space Elevator MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/pdf/472Edwards.pdf The author noted that the structure of the carbon nano tubes proposed for use in this Space elevator is similar to that of geodesic domes. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:55:25 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Emailing: www.weareallastronauts Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Bucky website: We Are All Astronauts http://www.weareallastronauts.com/ -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:12:30 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Emailing: www.weareallastronauts In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Beautiful graphics, Awful interface. My browser went whacked trying to load it. > From: Joe S Moore > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:55:25 -0700 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Emailing: www.weareallastronauts > > New Bucky website: We Are All Astronauts > http://www.weareallastronauts.com/ > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:40:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: trussed buckyball model 2 ( for megadome) Comments: To: BuckminsterFuller@groups.msn.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim, For an extremely basic explanation of Synergetic geometry please see http://buckminster.info/Ideas/01-Intro.htm Nature is making everything out of various permutations & combinations = of only three basic shapes: Tetrahedra, octahedra & icosahedra. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- "Fuller wrote once that in synergetics everyone starts in the same place = wether you have phd in calculus or not, calculus is irrelvant to synergetics = anyway. but what i noted few years ago is that few pewple monopolise the discussion and they talk over the showlder of the beginners- i think they do it from compitiiton stans. i suggest that everything needs explanation, which means you have to start from the begining when you explain somthing so called advanced. starts from the begining so everybody understands, rather than share it with what you explaining with one person or two only. Tim" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:00:21 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Partition of plane Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops; I think it's WEggener.] thus saith: oops: although "polygona" has been used to define the polyhedra, before, by Wiggener with reference to their vertices in _Spherical Models_, I've substituted "polyasteron" to avoid confusion with the "flat" ones, and also in dystinction with Bucky's neologism of "polyvertexion," although it has the same meaning ("many-starred" .-) --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:05:47 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Emailing: www.weareallastronauts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My browser (Mozilla 1.1/Windows Me) did OK, but did take awhile to respond when I closed one of the windows that clicking on the website's options opened up. Lots of talk and pretty pictures, but is that it? I read through their handout. Seems mostly like an exercise in presenting information on the internet, acquainting people with the whole by randomly presenting parts. Sort of like a non-simultaneous scenario universe viewed through a kaleidoscope. Interesting to see pictures of Fuller's folded-paper great-circle structures again. Bob Leifur Thor wrote: >Beautiful graphics, Awful interface. My browser went whacked trying to load >it. > > > > > >>From: Joe S Moore >>Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >> >>Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:55:25 -0700 >>To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: Emailing: www.weareallastronauts >> >>New Bucky website: We Are All Astronauts >>http://www.weareallastronauts.com/ >> >>-------------------------------------------- >>Joe S Moore >>joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >>http://buckminster.info >>------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:52:15 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Minimum of Eight Spokes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ref: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/bikerim.html Here's a link to two photos I recently posted of an experiment I did 20+ years ago attempting to verify one of Bucky's claims in Synergetics. For me it seemed like the minimum spokes I needed was eight rather than 12. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:09:26 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: unimodular geodesic pineapple Comments: To: sphere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?Page=8 Unimodular pineapple construction. Each vertex is a 3-winged hinge. There aare no symmetry planes. It is all in the angle. Angle is general case. All chord factors can be different. Structuring as she goes. The kids are going to love snap-building with these degenerate trangles. So are the adults. http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=12\ 1 >From Kirby's site: http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/synergetica/synergetica2.html "Coxeter rather patronizingly implied that Fuller-the-architect might learn something from a real mathematician: "Summarizing our conclusions, we may say that Goldberg's classification of 'multi-symmetric' polyhedra yields a convenient classification of possible shapes for virus macro-molecules and geodesic domes. The possibility b <> c may perhaps inspire Fuller to make new domes which, like pineapples and helices, have no planes of symmetry."[6] The fact that 10F2+2 also had another parent expression in synergetics, also more general but describing sphere packings rather than classes of geodesic structuring, was left out of this and subsequent accounts.[7]" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:04:38 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Minimum of Eight Spokes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I wish I had the bicycle-repair book that gave the formulae for the length of the spokes, because it's really tetrahedral, dood!... not that hard; it's essentially a "quadrirectangular tetrah." with one edge on the spoke -- the long one, of course, Ithink/asIrecall -- and the radial line from the hub to the rim. would someone quote the raison de Bucky, as stated by Edmondson, please? thus quoth: Ref: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/bikerim.html Here's a link to two photos I recently posted of an experiment I did 20+ years ago attempting to verify one of Bucky's claims in Synergetics. For me it seemed like the minimum spokes I needed was eight rather than 12. --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:12:03 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: unimodular geodesic pineapple Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the only time that Bucky claimed a "unimod," he retracted it, later. I suggest that you do the same, til such time as you can actually do any thing with this stuff, without the hog debasing your homework. I'm not calling you a liar, of course; too paradoxical! anyway, there's no mention of the phyllotaxy of the pineapple etc., nor of any unimodularity of that. since phyllotaxy is essentially spiral, as I recall, there may be no central symmetry; eh? go, Fischstichk! --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:21:42 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: unimodular geodesic pineapple Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops, I didn't quote you (and, I guess, "the kids" won't really care if their teacher is a BSer, as long as he throws some model-buiiding materiel at them; you can claim all of the credit for their uncoveries, as you wish ... the joys of a kosher day-camp ?-) it's a bit absurd for Kirby (?) to say that about Coxeter, as he was the obvious source for a lot of the expertise -- and amongst the few to be credited, by dedication!... is that on grunch.net? it must be said taht phyllotaxy has *axial* symmetry, or it's just obvious, two; why isn't it spelled, phi-llotaxy? thus quoth: The kids are going to love snap-building with these degenerate trangles. So are the adults. http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=12\ 1 >From Kirby's site: http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/synergetica/synergetica2.html "Coxeter rather patronizingly implied that Fuller-the-architect might learn something from a real mathematician: "Summarizing our conclusions, we may say that Goldberg's classification of 'multi-symmetric' polyhedra yields a convenient classification of possible shapes for virus macro-molecules and geodesic domes. The possibility b <> c may perhaps inspire Fuller to make new domes which, like pineapples and helices, have no planes of symmetry."[6] The fact thus saith: of that. since phyllotaxy is essentially spiral, as I recall, there may be no central symmetry; eh? --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:24:54 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: unimodular geodesic pineapple Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'd like to see Goldberg's classification; does it precede, or is it better than Loeb's? http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/synergetica/synergetica2.html --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:33:27 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: unimodular geodesic pineapple Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed OK; according to Kirby's narrative, Goldberg published in '37. I'd guess that it's of a different sort than Loeb's, which is really more of a narrative process, with lots of tables & pictures of the shapes. thus saith: I'd like to see Goldberg's classification; does it precede, or is it better than Loeb's? http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/synergetica/synergetica2.html "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:44:39 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Geodesic Math Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From Rick Bono's website: January 7, 2003 I received word today that the University of California Press intends to = reprint Hugh Kenners's "Geodesic Math and How to Use It" either in late = 2003 or early 2004. You can signup for email announcements here. Select = architecture book announcements to minimize your emails. This is great = news! Ref: http://www.applied-synergetics.com/ashp/html/news.php -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:02:58 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Geodesic Math Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have to say, Bucky was Fullofit re pi. I will defend pi to my last gasp from the funky-ass Transcendentalists!... for, although, of course, pi is "irrationally" transcendtal, it is the ratio of the diameter to the circumference of a sphere, or to its area, even more bizzaarrly, to the second power -- not "squared," you silly Grreeeks! anyway, I'm sure that the author of _GDH2_ did not bother with any nasty attributes of pi, although he may have done sone thing taht was awfully irresolute, like taking the Indiana State Legislature's value, 3.2. NB: it was difficult to find the article on "CSG" in the putative journal; it seems to be more of an outline, though. thus quoth: Ref: http://www.applied-synergetics.com/ashp/html/news.php --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:10:15 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Geodesic Math In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wrong. --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > I have to say, Bucky was Fullofit re pi. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:16:00 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Geodesic Math In-Reply-To: <20030222211015.6182.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Quincy, you may want to up your medication buddy. > From: Dick Fischbeck > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:10:15 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Geodesic Math > > Wrong. > > --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: >> I have to say, Bucky was Fullofit re pi. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:02:45 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank Subject: Re: Geodesic H In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Yo leifur,=20 The doctor suggested trying a tube of preparation H, gently. pancho P.s did you guys ever have your telephone chat? P.p.s. Whats happening with your bed idea? El 23/12/03 05:16, "Leifur Thor" escribi=F3: > Quincy, you may want to up your medication buddy. >=20 >> From: Dick Fischbeck >> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >> >> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:10:15 -0800 >> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Geodesic Math >>=20 >> Wrong. >>=20 >> --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: >>> I have to say, Bucky was Fullofit re pi. >>=20 >>=20 >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >> http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:22:47 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Geodesic H MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo Pancho, Are you sure that the Doctor's recommendation wasn't a Doob of preparation Hemp, rolled lightly? Safer than any of the Rockefeller project's anti psychotics. BTW Quince jelly, Jack Herer has raised his award to 100,000 dollars. If your magic question is in that (supposedly) fine conditioned memory bank of yours, I'd say it's worth the effort to dig it up. http://www.jackherer.com is your challenge. Total fuel & energy independence in 2-5 years, eliminating nuclear in the equation. Feeding, clothing, & housing the world, + Hemp's literal thousands of other uses creating a decentralized economy vs. the dominators control oriented centralized model. Sounds like an economy to me. " Lyndon LaRouche never writes about Ronald Reagan, Robert Maheu, Howard Hughes, Paul Laxault, the Summa Company, the Hughes Medical Institute in Florida, or others who are the opposite side of the Rockefeller coin. " -Mae Brussell From the 1978 Albionics interview of Mae Brussell, the late Grand Dame of immaculately referenced conspiracy research, from about 1/2 way into the following article following a question. http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mbinterviewalbionic.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:14:40 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: ECOWAS Comments: To: "Meisen, Peter" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peter, found this while browsing: "In 1999 Professor F.T. Sparrow (director of SUFG) received a 14-month = grant in the amount of $303,000 through the USAID supported EAGER = Program (Equity and Growth Through Economic Research) to assist the = ECOWAS (Economic Community of West Africa States) in its development of = a power pool within the West Africa region. Similar grants were received = for a 2nd and 3rd year of power pool modeling for the region. Within = this total period the West Africa modeling has included extensive data = collection activities, training workshops, and policy analysis studies." https://engineering.purdue.edu/IIES/PPDG/ECOWAS/index_html -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:27:30 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Geodesic H In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable the bed idea is on a back burner at this point. It's now a sub part of a larger project. > From: Frank > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:02:45 +0100 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Geodesic H >=20 > Yo leifur,=20 >=20 > The doctor suggested trying a tube of preparation H, gently. >=20 >=20 > pancho >=20 >=20 > P.s did you guys ever have your telephone chat? >=20 > P.p.s. Whats happening with your bed idea? >=20 > El 23/12/03 05:16, "Leifur Thor" escribi=F3: >=20 >> Quincy, you may want to up your medication buddy. >>=20 >>> From: Dick Fischbeck >>> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >>> >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:10:15 -0800 >>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: Re: Geodesic Math >>>=20 >>> Wrong. >>>=20 >>> --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: >>>> I have to say, Bucky was Fullofit re pi. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >>> http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:29:02 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: ECOWAS In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit go Joe! > From: Joe S Moore > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:14:40 -0700 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: ECOWAS > > Peter, found this while browsing: > > "In 1999 Professor F.T. Sparrow (director of SUFG) received a 14-month grant > in the amount of $303,000 through the USAID supported EAGER Program (Equity > and Growth Through Economic Research) to assist the ECOWAS (Economic Community > of West Africa States) in its development of a power pool within the West > Africa region. Similar grants were received for a 2nd and 3rd year of power > pool modeling for the region. Within this total period the West Africa > modeling has included extensive data collection activities, training > workshops, and policy analysis studies." > > https://engineering.purdue.edu/IIES/PPDG/ECOWAS/index_html > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:58:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Bucky Hits Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just out of curiosity I did the following searches: "Buckminster Fuller": AlltheWeb....149,614 Google...........47,600 AltaVista........36,118 Ask Jeeves.....24,800 LookSmart............52 "geodesic dome": AlltheWeb......73,084 Google...........25,800 AltaVista........22,263 Ask Jeeves.....11,200 LookSmart............32 -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:33:00 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Newspaper Dome Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 30 second .mov slideshow of cute 3rd & 4th graders making a newspaper = dome: http://www.henry.k12.ga.us/pges/projects/geo-link.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:46:52 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Geodesic Math Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I want to thank doc Thor (of proctology) and master Dick (of geophysics) for their grasp of rhetoric in the furtherance of all, reasonable valuations of pi (axial diameter to surfacial area; "all spherics in Universe do spin" --Are Buckafka Fullofit). however, if you ask a "Bucky Witch" what his preferred value of pi is to use, he'll just glaze-over ... or do what the author of _GM&H2_ does, which is to use pi that is formed by his calculator, using what ever algorithm, probably involving Maclaurin's series as with much else on an electronic calculator ... which will be a finite approx. of the "real, transcendtal" value of it. of course, to instantiate any other would-be value of pi, one has to have a shape in mind, as well as what will constitute a diameter & circumference for a polyhedron (of course, area will already be "there," for any polyasteron (sik .-)) onward & upward with Hemporrhoidal Suppositories (tm; doc Herer !-) [NB: the following sig is tuned to this alleged concern of monsieur Herer et al ad vomitorium; do you beleive every thing that you hear, read-off by the President?] thus quoth: Quincy, you may want to up your medication buddy. >Wrong. > >--- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: >>I have to say, Bucky was Fullofit re pi. --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:53:57 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Geodesic H Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed wow, thanks for the reference. I could have sworn, the last edition taht I looked at in a bookstore, had deleted the back-cover "offer," last at $40KFRN (sik). OK, now, just from looking at the frontpage o'Jack, it's clear that he's just as silly as he ever was, post-quintuple-bypass; *some* thing must have changed, though. my guess is that he removed the most obvious error, the one that I mentioned on Roy's show, perhaps after feedback from Roy or a listener. as for the genuiness of the "offer," perhaps one is more likely to win at Lotto; is the money in a Swiss bank account, or is it just in Jack's secret stash? oh, ahd thanks, for citing Mae's devout opinion about Lyn; yeeha! thus quoth: BTW Quince jelly, Jack Herer has raised his award to 100,000 dollars. If your magic question is in that (supposedly) fine conditioned memory bank of yours, I'd say it's worth the effort to dig it up. http://www.jackherer.com is your challenge. Total fuel & energy independence in 2-5 years, eliminating nuclear in the equation. Feeding, clothing, & housing the world, + Hemp's literal thousands of other uses creating a decentralized economy vs. the dominators control oriented centralized model. Sounds like an economy to me. " Lyndon LaRouche never writes about Ronald Reagan, Robert Maheu, Howard Hughes, Paul Laxault, the Summa Company, the Hughes Medical Institute in Florida, or others who are the opposite side of the Rockefeller coin. " -Mae Brussell --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:19:22 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Spherical Truss Comments: To: info@feldmangallery.com Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ronald Feldman Gallery New York, NY, USA Dear Sirs, I thought you might like to know that the pic for the "Spherical Truss = for Ford Motor Co" is reversed; you are showing the mirror image of = Bucky's colorized blueprint. Ref: http://www.feldmangallery.com/pages/artistsrffa/artful01.html -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:29:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Book Cover Pic Comments: To: info@bfi.org Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear BFI, I noticed that you don't have a pic of the cover of the book _Your = Private Sky RBF: Discourse_; one is available here: http://www.buckminster.info//Pics/CvrBk-YourPrivateSkyRBF-Discourse.jpg I may have other book cover pics that you could use. Browse through the = CvrBk- section of my pics collection here: http://www.buckminster.info//Pics/ -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:01:10 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Geodesic Math Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed work in progress ... but the value for pi is 2, for the tetrahedron! thus saith: of course, to instantiate any other would-be value of pi, one has to have a shape in mind, as well as what will constitute a diameter & circumference for a polyhedron (of course, area will already be "there," --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:03:30 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Geodesic Math Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops; that's just a provisional value, which will be sent to the Rules Cmte. for assessment of the assumptions (taking the edge of the reg. tetrah. to be one, and the only axis that is divided by its center of gravity. thus quoth: work in progress ... but the value for pi is 2, for the tetrahedron! thus saith: of course, to instantiate any other would-be value of pi, one has to have a shape in mind, as well as what will constitute a diameter & circumference for a polyhedron (of course, area will already be "there," --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:03:33 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Geodesic Math In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Expand, please. Is the value of pi for the octa 4 and for the icosa 5? --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > work in progress ... but > the value for pi is 2, > for the tetrahedron! > > thus saith: > of course, to instantiate any other would-be value > of pi, one has to have a shape in mind, as well > as what will constitute a diameter & circumference > for a polyhedron (of course, area will already be > "there," __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:34:09 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Geodesic Math Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed probably not. the idea is to go through the assumptions, or you're just taking the proverbial bibilical value. what is the only axis of the tetrahedron, whose midpoint is on the CG? as per the standard spherical form (area = DDpi), we are making assumptions about areal mensuration. naeturally, I just took the area of the shape to be one ... but, now, I can see that, if you do that with the sphere, your D can't also be one. I was trying to use the edge of the trigon and the area the 4 of them as the units. then, if one uses the perpendicular cross-section of the tetrah. to get the "equatorial" circumference, you see that it gives a different value for pi. which poses another problem, which will probably take us back to the first problem, about using tetragona, trigona and/or circles for our mensuration. PS: make sure that the kids know, if this McCrusade goes-on for longer than a few months, they'll be in for the draft -- and no college deferments, becuase the President is a fair guy; seriously! thus quoth: Is the value of pi for the octa 4 and for the icosa 5? --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... So does Usama's MacJihad wish a 100-year War, for a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 03:05:18 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Geodesic H Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "For the pain & itching of haemorrhoidal tissues. Well, at least you won't *care* that it hurts when you have to poop -- Bogart that poultice, my friend!" this is almost frightening. read the IOM report, but the actual report, not the plethora of fluff-job digests taht you get, as well, when you wearch for it. seriosuly, it's a lof less "negative" than I'd thought, but there are also some rather impressive caveats about the immune effects, in the braodest senses. equally seriosly, the analgesic effects are also rather dichotomous, so that I may have to take-back the Preparation Hemp deal; I was going to finally make some dough, after years of pining for Jack's! and *here* is a dialog that will really blow your mind, when you compare it to Herer's "King Kong" diatribe: http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2002/2940_drug_legalization.html http://www.jackherer.com --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:49:48 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Geodesic H MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/25/03 10:05:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, space998@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > and *here* is a dialog that will really blow your mind, > when you compare it to Herer's "King Kong" diatribe: > http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2002/2940_drug_legalization.html > I've got an extended business trip today, followed by the first day of "my week in the cycle" with my kid. I will prepare for the Bucky board members tomorrow "Fillet of LL" based on this column full of his usual semantic antics. A Q. for you, Q. Does LL foam or drool when he recites this drivel? You gotta beat the grass to scare out the snakes and I will dissect this snake now-out-of-the-grass tomorrow, segment (paragraph) by segment (para graph) and prepare a nourishing journalistic dish for the members here, with references. I will even offer to Quincemeat the opportunity to put me in a supposed double wrist lock by asking him to pull up one of flim-flam "Lyn's" blurbs on how he inspired (without due credit given) Reagan's Star Wars. I ask that he add it for the board's review & reference and then I'll Houdini 'em both. To prepare the board for understanding on how to properly prepare Fillet of LL, I offer the following link to another spinner of note, Noam Chomsky, whose formula of operation is similar in it's mechanics, though not it's political angle of approach. Scroll down to the 2nd article for the piece on Noam, and take the time to read the 3rd article on MK-Ultra, regarding control of public thought via control of the press. The similarities between Rocky-feller-snake oil salesman LL and hypocrite's hellbound Noam are brought to light via the following. http://www.alexconstantine.50megs.com Noam is an eloquent, prolific, convincing and moving speaker 100 or 95% correct on 95% of the material. In car sales it's known as "agree & disarm". >From a different angle of political approach, slithering "Lyn" emerges, destined to have an adjoining room in dire need of air conditioning next to Noam's. So you understand as a result of reviewing the above link, Fillet of LL is a dish that takes carefull preparation due to it's journalistic juggling. Fishing season approaches, N' today I read they're stocking the streams later this week. I think I'll take the kid to watch N' help. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:58:20 -0700 Reply-To: kbrown@tnc.ab.ca Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Ken G. Brown" Subject: Re: Bucky Hits Comments: cc: Joe S Moore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Might I suggest keeping track of this type of data obtained on some regular schedule and plot it at some time in the future. Not sure exactly what conclusions could be taken tho but might give some hope, if Bucky hits are steadily increasing. Keep up the good work. Ken G. Brown > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe S Moore [mailto:joe_s_moore@HOTMAIL.COM] > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:59 AM > Subject: Bucky Hits > > > Just out of curiosity I did the following searches: > > "Buckminster Fuller": > > AlltheWeb....149,614 > Google...........47,600 > AltaVista........36,118 > Ask Jeeves.....24,800 > LookSmart............52 > > "geodesic dome": > > AlltheWeb......73,084 > Google...........25,800 > AltaVista........22,263 > Ask Jeeves.....11,200 > LookSmart............32 > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:41:18 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Geodesic H MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gentlemen N' gentler ladies, Due to yesterday's work blossoming into today's assignment, the preperation time for the scheduled specialty of the day "Fillet of LL" is not sufficient and will be postponed until tomorrow. The management extends it's sincere apologies to members who await that journalistic fare and offers this for your appetites today. "Leg of Sham" - After all how can a 350 million dollar woman disappoint? As it turns out, a lot, she'll likely occupy a room not too far from Noam's & LL's; Arianna's columns and talk show are a rage in the alternative politics press. Is she genuine? Methinks not. http://www.ariannaonline.com A quick sampling of her columns will reveal a familiar flavor to those who repast their psyche in political backwaters and this is no coincidence. One game of the dominators is to take what's known and write well about it, as well as to wetting their finger and sampling what the wind is blowin' into consciousness soon and again writing about it, albeit in these cases, preemptively. By wordily dragging the issue out, or responding to a straw dog opponent put out for them in controlled debate, they buy time, or yet again by leading, using "agree & disarm" poetry, eventually misdirecting the line of thought from the truth or succesfull political confrontation; keeping the whole mix in the realm of debate club not positive action. Here is one example of Arianna using her deep political knowledge persona to sabotage her listeners from discovering even darker things about her overlords(ettes). http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/JonestownDead.html Add to that her likely feigned indignation at SUV's serving to cover the deeper truths that hemp plastics and fibers being capable of building most components on today's cars sans drivetrain & major frame, along with hemp diesel & methanol capable of providing fuel independance within 2 years. From Henry Ford's 1935 "car from the ground" to Ford of Germany's & Mercedes ongoing research in hemp plastics, to the Kansas City & St. Louis airports running service vehicles on vegetable fuel (& until John "SS" Ashcroft, including hemp) and finally the individual who drove a hemp diesel auto around the contiguous 48 last year, the facts are clear, hemp is capable. Volcanoes, indeed ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:27:13 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Geodesic H Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I went to Toastmasters, just once, and in retrospect it seems as if they picked a political item for me to take a side on (any ol'side). of course, my response didn't seem to phase them, much, although I wasn't in "debating" mode. anyway, there are an awful lot of ongoing stories in the media, to which there are just those two, bogus sides: the strawman & the status quo post facto. my personal closeness to Arianna came when she was the main host for the "alternative convention" to the DNC Con2K of the "Blue Dogs," which was nothing more than a family-values N-rally (since they excluded any delegates that were not pledged to Gore, just as the RNC Con did with Alan Keyes and his peripatetic issue of anti-abortion. she refused to expose these facts, as I'd spoken with here about them, handed some stuff out etc., at the alternacon. (her role in local Universe was also apparent on KCRW-FM's "Left, Right and Center," wherein the "right" was not actually, openly represented by any of the three, except really the host from the *New Republic*, and she was deemed as the Recovering "Republican," as the word is abused. as for your mania about one, stupid plant, why don't you folks *ever* do *any* comparative studies?... I wish only to sight the work of Martin Luther King Burbank in this regard, the plants' rights leader after whom the City is named. there is some tangential history in the IoM report, thought, taht seems to address the origins of this mania (other than the Sufi-Yaqui "reefer gladness" syndrome .-) just search on "Institute of Medicine, marijuana," and avoid the silly digests -- including the ones taht seem to be packaged witht the report. so, what generation are you, Mark? thus quoth: the deeper truths that hemp plastics and fibers being capable of building most components on today's cars sans drivetrain & major frame, along with hemp diesel & methanol capable of providing fuel independance within 2 years. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:45:00 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Bucky Hits - extended; synergysed? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Ken G. Brown" >Reply-To: kbrown@tnc.ab.ca >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Bucky Hits >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:58:20 -0700 next essay http://cryptome.org/jg-wwwcp.htm has a link that states that in the internet "content is not king" A google only search (27/Feb/2003) say that the winners are: "Buckminster Fuller" : 47,400 "bucky fuller" : 3,860 "tensegrity" : 10,900 sinergy 25,100 synergy 962,000 "vector equilibrium" 1,320 cuboctahedron 2,320 earth 22,200,000 land 39,400,000 soil 7,490,000 life 91,200,000 death 31,000,000 love 67,300,000 sp (amor) 4,280,000 war 49,000,000 sp (guerra) 4,040,000 oxigen 18,900 oxygen 3,830,000 water 28,000,000 sp (agua) 1,460,000 "Linus Torvalds" 562,000 "Bill Gates" 289,000 "Jesus Christ" 1,140,000 sp (Jesucristo) 267,000 God 42,500,000 sp (Dios) 112,000 e-mail 10,400,000 Linux 53,200,000 windows 52,100,000 "MS windows" 712,000 "free sex" 624,000 sex 133,000,000 Gerardo García Tampico, México >Might I suggest keeping track of this type of data obtained on some regular >schedule and plot it at some time in the future. Not sure exactly what >conclusions could be taken tho but might give some hope, if Bucky hits are >steadily increasing. > >Keep up the good work. > >Ken G. Brown > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe S Moore [mailto:joe_s_moore@HOTMAIL.COM] > > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:59 AM > > Subject: Bucky Hits > > > > > > Just out of curiosity I did the following searches: > > > > "Buckminster Fuller": > > > > AlltheWeb....149,614 > > Google...........47,600 > > AltaVista........36,118 > > Ask Jeeves.....24,800 > > LookSmart............52 > > > > "geodesic dome": > > > > AlltheWeb......73,084 > > Google...........25,800 > > AltaVista........22,263 > > Ask Jeeves.....11,200 > > LookSmart............32 > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://buckminster.info > > ------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:06:32 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed although I don't know the difference between 3- and 4-part harmony (and "bare fifths"), your placing it into the realm of composition, brings so many more relationships into it. your 2-part harmonies with 5ths and 3rds still have to impart these extra tonalities. I guess that everyone is familiar with the "line" run on parallel fifths, as sounding discordantly "too oriental" a la Chopsticks, but some of this may evaporate if one spends a lot of time listening to pentatonic-scaled stuff (I don't .-) of course, just comparing two strings for "harmonics" is not musical but experimental (or one string succesively on two notes, more to the point of "intervalling"); isn't it the kind of experiment that a "newbie" does, or the inventor of an instrument? please note, Berlin used the pentatonic scale, exclusively, with a specially modified piano to change keys. j_891@hotmail.com (J 891) wrote in message news:<386aaf52.0302260308.4741ac18@posting.google.com>... >Also these metrics struggle to explain why some pairs of notes sound >nicer when extra notes are added. I just described a diminished 5th as >horrible yet a diminished chord containing that same interval sounds >rather nice. Similar 7ths and 9ths by themselves are not very >pleasant yet added to a triad, a 7th or 9th can be nice. > >Context is also relevant. Major 7ths and minor 9ths are usually >pretty unpleasant but Beethoven uses them to good effect in the >Moonlight Sonata. I don't think that many non-musicians would regard >this piece as discordant. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) _________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:08:05 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Geodesic Math Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed re bamboo basket (kago) and woven pattern (me), see the February *Physics Today*. --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... "HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:48:33 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Quincy Quincy Quincy >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Mathamatics of Musical Harmony >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:06:32 +0000 Maybe, the most relevant concept --regarding music-- for this list is the concept of fullness achieved with three part music: the feeling of a full chord is achieved with the fundamental note plus the third plus the fifth of the chord. NOT with a two notes chord. (the triangle Fuller parable) BUT, the resources AND psychology of music allows to simulate fullness (remember the Alamo of the Bach music for solo instruments: the chord "sounds in the psychology") Regarding the difference between 3-part and 4-part music: a composer has to have a better craftsmanship to write three part music in order to sustain the fullness sensation. BUT, you americans, should be discussing Charles Ives ideas (on music included) and find the New England links to Fuller Regards Gerardo GArcía TAmpico, México >although I don't know the difference >between 3- and 4-part harmony (and "bare fifths"), >your placing it into the realm of composition, >brings so many more relationships into it. > your 2-part harmonies with 5ths and 3rds still have >to impart these extra tonalities. I guess that >everyone is familiar with the "line" run >on parallel fifths, as sounding discordantly "too oriental" >a la Chopsticks, but some of this may evaporate if >one spends a lot of time listening to pentatonic-scaled stuff >(I don't .-) > of course, just comparing two strings >for "harmonics" is not musical but experimental (or >one string succesively on two notes, more to the point >of "intervalling"); >isn't it the kind of experiment that a "newbie" does, or >the inventor of an instrument? > >please note, Berlin used the pentatonic scale, exclusively, >with a specially modified piano to change keys. > >j_891@hotmail.com (J 891) wrote in message >news:<386aaf52.0302260308.4741ac18@posting.google.com>... > >>Also these metrics struggle to explain why some pairs of notes sound >>nicer when extra notes are added. I just described a diminished 5th as >>horrible yet a diminished chord containing that same interval sounds >>rather nice. Similar 7ths and 9ths by themselves are not very >>pleasant yet added to a triad, a 7th or 9th can be nice. >> >>Context is also relevant. Major 7ths and minor 9ths are usually >>pretty unpleasant but Beethoven uses them to good effect in the >>Moonlight Sonata. I don't think that many non-musicians would regard >>this piece as discordant. > >--A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): >Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... >"HEY, GEORGE; LET'S YOU & SADDAM FIGHT" -Dame Maggie ('92) >http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) > > >_________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:59:42 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Bucky Archives Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Two more sections of the Bucky Archives have been put online: Series 14: Non-LECO Photographs (a 11-page list) is divided into six = sub-series: Travel, Fuller Family & Friends, Artifacts, Chronological, = Extra Licensing Photographs, & Unidentified Photographs. Series 19: Artifacts (a 19-page list) is divided into three sub-series: = Geometric Models (126 mostly with pics), Architectural Models (1 pic), & = Miscellaneous Models (no pics). Please see http://dynaweb.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead/stanford/mss/m1090/ -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info -------------------------------------------