From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Jun 15 11:54:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from acsu.buffalo.edu (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.57]) by linux00.LinuxForce.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i5FFsYa6012169 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:54:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200406151554.i5FFsYa6012169@linux00.LinuxForce.net> Received: (qmail 17887 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 15:54:34 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 15:54:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:54:34 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Buffalo (1.8e)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG0307" To: Chris Fearnley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.71, clamav-milter version 0.71 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on linux00.LinuxForce.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.7 tests=CASH_BONUS,HTML_MESSAGE, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: xx Status: RO Content-Length: 165459 Lines: 4934 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:00:02 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: *MONTHLY POSTING* - GEODESIC 'how-to' info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the monthly "How To" file about the GEODESIC list. 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Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:45:12 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: blair wolfram Subject: Re: itVillage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will all geodesic domes get lighter per square foot as they get larger? Blair Joe S Moore wrote: >James, > >What we need is a multi-million-player, real-time, online, global simulation >along the lines of Bucky's old World Game. Maybe there is some way to >charge a fee and maybe earn academic credits. There are plenty of global >statistics available for free now, and there are plenty of alternatives to >Bucky's copyrighted version of a global map. >-------------------------------------------- >Joe S Moore >joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >http://buckminster.info >------------------------------------------- >----- Original Message ----- >From: "James" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:15 PM >Subject: itVillage > > > >>Hi Joe, >> >>I've been off the geodesic list for a long time. Thought I'd show you this >>page I put up temporarily. It'll give you an idea of the direction I'm >>heading with Buckminster fuller's work. >> >>http://www.itVillage.com >> >>Best, >>James >> >> > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:28:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: tesselsphere Comments: To: sphere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nicholas What happened to your site? Dick --- In polytopia@yahoogroups.com, > I enjoyed looking at your images very much, Nicholas. >I'd be interested in Beta testing your program when >available. Thanks for your interest. The TesselSphere web site is in progress so keep an eye out for new developments. Right now I'm working on the geodesic module and hope to upload new images soon. Thanks for your offer to beta-test the program. I'll put you on the list and let you know. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:44:49 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: itVillage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed that's the general idea, *if* the "frequency" is getting larger, as the structure's span is. I mean, it doesn't have to, but should, if you want the roughly similar strength/area for each dome. the same applies to soap-bubbles & dinosaur-legs! --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... For a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, JIMMY; LET'S US and SU FIGHT" -then-PM of England & Zbiggy http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 12:59:19 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: sigma Comments: To: sphere , synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is sigma in Kniffen's calculation? I don't get it. See: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GeodesicDome.html Is the paper available, anyone know? Thanks Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 21:52:10 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic List Serve Comments: To: Madamstephanie@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephanie, To subscribe to the Geodesic List (newsletter) go here: http://listserv.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dgeodesic&A=3D1 You might want to also subscribe to the DomeHome list: http://www.domegroup.org/ There are also several relevant Groups, such as Yahoo Groups http://groups.yahoo.com/ or MSN Groups http://groups.msn.com/ Search for the words buckminster, geodesic, and dome. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Madamstephanie@aol.com=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: Geodesic List Serve Greetings Joe S. Moore from Stephanie Green, Vice President of the = organization that Bucky Fuller and Thomas Zung created in East St. = Louis, Illinois back in the early 1970's. The organization name is the = Old Man River Community and Economic Development Corporation. We = developed plans to build a 2 mile diameter geodesic dome city on the = riverfront. I have recently completed a telephone conversation with Thomas Zung in = Medina, Ohio and Lauren at the Buckminister Fuller Institute. Lauren = suggested that I contact you about the geodesic list serve group, to = register ourselves to communicate with others about the geodesic housing = village we began building on property in the Lake of the Ozarks in = Central Missouri. Can you provide me the information I need to register = with this group. If so please forward us instructions or call us at = 1-314-733-0100 at our office in Saint Louis, Missouri. Thank you so much and I look forward to seeing you again. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 12:39:20 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: I am trying to use your site! Comments: To: rob2929@cox.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Rob2929, Go to this page first to get an overall view of what Fuller was trying to do: http://buckminster.info/Strategy/GrandStrategy.htm Then work your way through chapters 1-10 of Selected Ideas: http://buckminster.info/Ideas/00-SelectrdIdeas-TOC.htm The rest of the site contains reference materials such as: a Bibliography: http://buckminster.info/Biblio/1-Bibliography-TOC.htm a Master Index: http://buckminster.info/Index/0-IndexTOC.htm a Glossary: http://buckminster.info/Glossary/0-GlossaryTOC.htm and over 1000 pictures: http://www.buckminster.info/Pics/ I used to have several thousand external links, but they became too difficult to keep up-to-date. I'm working on linking everything internally. Hope this helps--- -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 10:34 PM Subject: I am trying to use your site! > No offense, but I'm getting frustrated. I keep getting long lists of things > that contain no links, that don't explain themselves or have any text to > speak of. Can you help me? Thanks for your time. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:40:32 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Sculpture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Find Buckminster's Galatea at: http://www.thompsonfineartsinc.com/Sculpture.html Bob ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:13:03 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Sculpture Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Bob Burkhardt >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Sculpture >Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:40:32 -0400 Help ! this place is getting alive! no electric grid-geodesic-math-but-two-ladies-in-a-row-one-from-the-old-river-boat-the-other-one-even-mentions-teilhard-de-chard(ON)- what is it Bob? trying to relate everything with everything? is it not a out-of-terror subject? It might be a good idea to invite MIchael Moore to Bucky's Foghouse play quincy takes us confessed!! great for this fresh air Gerardo García still in Tampico, México > >Find Buckminster's Galatea at: > >http://www.thompsonfineartsinc.com/Sculpture.html > >Bob _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:25:45 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Earthquakes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the last 100 years there have been an average of 19 major earthquakes = (7.0 and higher) per year somewhere on planet Earth. (That's 1.6/month = average.) Ref: http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/mag7.html -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:50:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic List Serve Comments: To: Madamstephanie@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephanie, I'm pleased that I could help. I would like to suggest in the strongest way possible that your = organization should establish a website. They're not expensive (mine = costs $33/month for 60 megs of hard drive space) and you would reach = people from all over the world. (I get 500 unique visits/day.) You = could post text, pictures, plans, audio & video clips, animations, etc. = I have about 800 pages of information & over 1000 pictures and I'm only = using about 2/3 of the space I rent. People that visited your site = might be inspired to want to help in some way--donations, volunteer = time,etc. Here's a few references to Bucky's Old Man River proposal: http://buckminster.info/Ideas/08-IcosDomeCityCrater.htm and dome-enclosed cities: http://buckminster.info/Ideas/08-IcosDomeCityDowntownCover.htm Any really large dome would, of course, have to be a tensegrity: http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTenseg.htm You must have quite a Bucky collection if you started in the 1960s! I = started in 1970 & my collection (which is 100 lineal feet long) is the = basis of my website. Looking forward to your new website address, -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Madamstephanie@aol.com=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 6:37 AM Subject: Re: Geodesic List Serve Thank you so much Joe. I, and Michael Duncan hope someday you can come = visit our geodesic rental housing village. We are seeking others to help = us create a Geodesic Construction Training Center. I have spoken with = Thomas Zung a real good friend who is going to tell Sadao about what we = are doing and hopefully they can visit us soon also. If you would like = information on where we are, I can mail you a map with driving or flying = or passenger train directions. As past business associates and friends of Bucky since the late 1960's = from the East St. Louis, Il and Saint Louis, Missouri area we are so = excited about finally getting structures built. We are looking for = others who want to become involved as paid consultants or those who = would like to spend time learning about all the history and work of = Bucky Fuller. I personally have been collecting information since the = 1960's from many people who met and communicated with Bucky. And I have = a plans to create a special dedication section in my new dome library, = similar to the library which Bucky had in his home. I have a picture of = his home library. Well hopefully you can call me someday, I have pattern = much of my life in the same manner in which Bucky said a human should. I = think about Bucky's statement on the card which Thomas gave me a few = years ago which says: If The Success or Failure of This Planet, and of Human Being, Depeneded on How I am & What I Do; How Would I Be? What Would I Do? "If Humanity Does Not Opt for Integrity We Are Through Completely. It Is Absolutely Touch and Go, Each One Of Us Could Make The Difference." Well, I have fused what I have learned personally from communicating = with Bucky, and I will always try to make a difference in which the way = all srvive on Spaceship Earth. Stephanie Green 1-314-733-0100 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:23:12 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: super ellipse Comments: To: mail@biagiodicarlo.com Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Biagio, See John W Rich's website: http://www.geocities.com/geodesicsnz/index.htm He specializes in elliptical domes; see: http://www.geocities.com/geodesicsnz/more.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 9:49 AM Subject: super ellipse > Someone that was able to construct the super ellipse model published on > page 126 of Shelter, 1973 ? > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:48:09 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: sigma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ref: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520239318/qid=1057525367/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-3982649-6293465?v=glance&s=books Kind of peculiar that the dome illustrated on the reissue of "Geodesic Math and How to Use It" isn't geodesic. I got this link following the references to Dick's link to the Wolfram site. Dick, in regard to your question about sigma, I think one needs to refer to the original article there to figure out what's going on. Like I don't see anywhere that "B" is defined, and what the difference between an "old" and a "new" polyhedron vertex is. Maybe the Sky & Telescope website has back issues, though 1994 may be asking a lot. Bob Dick wrote: What is sigma in Kniffen's calculation? I don't get it. See: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GeodesicDome.html Is the paper available, anyone know? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:28:01 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: sigma In-Reply-To: <3F0AE7B9.1090200@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob Joe C. is sending the article to me. I'll let you know what is up with this. Dick --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > Ref: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520239318/qid=1057525367/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-3982649-6293465?v=glance&s=books > > Kind of peculiar that the dome illustrated on the reissue > of "Geodesic > Math and How to Use It" isn't geodesic. I got this link > following the > references to Dick's link to the Wolfram site. > > Dick, in regard to your question about sigma, I think > one needs to refer to the original article there to > figure out what's > going on. Like I don't see anywhere that "B" is defined, > and what the > difference between an "old" and a "new" polyhedron vertex > is. Maybe the > Sky & Telescope website has back issues, though 1994 may > be asking a lot. > > Bob > > Dick wrote: > > What is sigma in Kniffen's calculation? I don't get it. > See: > > http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GeodesicDome.html > > Is the paper available, anyone know? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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There is quite a variation in chord lengths, though. http://www.insite.com.br/rodrigo/bucky/geodome.jpg Dick --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > Ref: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520239318/qid=1057525367/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-3982649-6293465?v=glance&s=books > > Kind of peculiar that the dome illustrated on the reissue > of "Geodesic > Math and How to Use It" isn't geodesic. I got this link > following the > references to Dick's link to the Wolfram site. > > Dick, in regard to your question about sigma, I think > one needs to refer to the original article there to > figure out what's > going on. Like I don't see anywhere that "B" is defined, > and what the > difference between an "old" and a "new" polyhedron vertex > is. Maybe the > Sky & Telescope website has back issues, though 1994 may > be asking a lot. > > Bob > > Dick wrote: > > What is sigma in Kniffen's calculation? I don't get it. > See: > > http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GeodesicDome.html > > Is the paper available, anyone know? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:22:35 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: sigma In-Reply-To: <3F0AE7B9.1090200@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob What about this one? It is nothing but small circles. http://www.creative-science.org.uk/galwood.html Dick --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > Ref: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520239318/qid=1057525367/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-3982649-6293465?v=glance&s=books > > Kind of peculiar that the dome illustrated on the reissue > of "Geodesic > Math and How to Use It" isn't geodesic. I got this link > following the > references to Dick's link to the Wolfram site. > > Dick, in regard to your question about sigma, I think > one needs to refer to the original article there to > figure out what's > going on. Like I don't see anywhere that "B" is defined, > and what the > difference between an "old" and a "new" polyhedron vertex > is. Maybe the > Sky & Telescope website has back issues, though 1994 may > be asking a lot. > > Bob > > Dick wrote: > > What is sigma in Kniffen's calculation? I don't get it. > See: > > http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GeodesicDome.html > > Is the paper available, anyone know? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:24:01 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: sigma In-Reply-To: <3F0AE7B9.1090200@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob What about this one? It is nothing but small circles. http://www.creative-science.org.uk/galwood.html Dick PS- I guess they are cones, not circles. --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > Ref: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520239318/qid=1057525367/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-3982649-6293465?v=glance&s=books > > Kind of peculiar that the dome illustrated on the reissue > of "Geodesic > Math and How to Use It" isn't geodesic. I got this link > following the > references to Dick's link to the Wolfram site. > > Dick, in regard to your question about sigma, I think > one needs to refer to the original article there to > figure out what's > going on. Like I don't see anywhere that "B" is defined, > and what the > difference between an "old" and a "new" polyhedron vertex > is. Maybe the > Sky & Telescope website has back issues, though 1994 may > be asking a lot. > > Bob > > Dick wrote: > > What is sigma in Kniffen's calculation? I don't get it. > See: > > http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GeodesicDome.html > > Is the paper available, anyone know? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:26:07 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: blair wolfram Subject: Re: sigma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be a diamatic or ribbed dome for the first two top rings, and lamella from there down. Blair Dick Fischbeck wrote: >--- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > > >>Ref: >> >> >> >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520239318/qid=1057525367/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-3982649-6293465?v=glance&s=books > > >>Kind of peculiar that the dome illustrated on the reissue >>of "Geodesic >>Math and How to Use It" isn't geodesic. >> >> > > >That is funny! > >http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0520239318.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:18:17 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: sigma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They are composed of arcs of great circles predominantly, but really the peculiar thing about the new Geodesic Math cover is that it is of a completely different breed than what is discussed in the book. Seems like they could have done better. And my alma mater no less. Sigh. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >Bob > >How are geodesic domes defined commonly? Does this one >qualify, would you say? The maximum face angle appears to >ninty degrees. All vertexes are 6-way or less. Vertexes all >seems to be on the surface of a sphere. There is quite a >variation in chord lengths, though. > >http://www.insite.com.br/rodrigo/bucky/geodome.jpg > >Dick > > >--- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > > >>Ref: >> >> >> >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520239318/qid=1057525367/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-3982649-6293465?v=glance&s=books > > >>Kind of peculiar that the dome illustrated on the reissue >>of "Geodesic >>Math and How to Use It" isn't geodesic. I got this link >>following the >>references to Dick's link to the Wolfram site. >> >>Dick, in regard to your question about sigma, I think >>one needs to refer to the original article there to >>figure out what's >>going on. Like I don't see anywhere that "B" is defined, >>and what the >>difference between an "old" and a "new" polyhedron vertex >>is. Maybe the >>Sky & Telescope website has back issues, though 1994 may >>be asking a lot. >> >>Bob >> >>Dick wrote: >> >>What is sigma in Kniffen's calculation? I don't get it. >>See: >> >>http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GeodesicDome.html >> >>Is the paper available, anyone know? >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:25:24 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: sigma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess that's the advantage of the lamella is a smaller variety of chord lengths. It seems to me the Spruce Goose dome had that design except for its cap which was a geodesic design, so I guess it has something to recommend it if a geodesic shop like Temcor would use it. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >Bob > >How are geodesic domes defined commonly? Does this one >qualify, would you say? The maximum face angle appears to >ninty degrees. All vertexes are 6-way or less. Vertexes all >seems to be on the surface of a sphere. There is quite a >variation in chord lengths, though. > >http://www.insite.com.br/rodrigo/bucky/geodome.jpg > >Dick > > >--- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > > >>Ref: >> >> >> >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520239318/qid=1057525367/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-3982649-6293465?v=glance&s=books > > >>Kind of peculiar that the dome illustrated on the reissue >>of "Geodesic >>Math and How to Use It" isn't geodesic. I got this link >>following the >>references to Dick's link to the Wolfram site. >> >>Dick, in regard to your question about sigma, I think >>one needs to refer to the original article there to >>figure out what's >>going on. Like I don't see anywhere that "B" is defined, >>and what the >>difference between an "old" and a "new" polyhedron vertex >>is. Maybe the >>Sky & Telescope website has back issues, though 1994 may >>be asking a lot. >> >>Bob >> >>Dick wrote: >> >>What is sigma in Kniffen's calculation? I don't get it. >>See: >> >>http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GeodesicDome.html >> >>Is the paper available, anyone know? >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:37:21 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: blair wolfram Subject: Re: sigma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Spruce Goose dome is a lamella around the lowest third of the dome, and changes to a geodesic based on polyhedra for the top 2/3 's. One advantage of the lamella is it offers a horizontal truncation line at any height, making it much easier to build a low profile dome. In the Goose's case, the highest horizontal truncation line is the lowest most plane of the upper geodesic, and the top plane of the lamella. Blair Bob Burkhardt wrote: > I guess that's the advantage of the lamella is a smaller variety of > chord lengths. > It seems to me the Spruce Goose dome had that design except for its cap > which > was a geodesic design, so I guess it has something to recommend it if a > geodesic > shop like Temcor would use it. > > Bob > >> >> > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:14:03 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Subject: Re: sigma In-Reply-To: <3F0C09B4.4070902@channel1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know the Spruce Goose has gone North. Is the dome gone? Was it not=20 a geodesic? Bob Sanderson >I guess that's the advantage of the lamella is a smaller variety of >chord lengths. >It seems to me the Spruce Goose dome had that design except for its cap >which >was a geodesic design, so I guess it has something to recommend it if a >geodesic >shop like Temcor would use it. > >Bob > >Dick Fischbeck wrote: > >>Bob >> >>How are geodesic domes defined commonly? Does this one >>qualify, would you say? The maximum face angle appears to >>ninty degrees. All vertexes are 6-way or less. Vertexes all >>seems to be on the surface of a sphere. There is quite a >>variation in chord lengths, though. >> >>http://www.insite.com.br/rodrigo/bucky/geodome.jpg >> >>Dick >> >> >>--- Bob Burkhardt wrote: >> >> >>>Ref: >>> >>> >>> >>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520239318/qid=3D1057525=20 >>367/sr=3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/103-3982649-6293465?v=3Dglance&s=3Dbooks >> >> >>>Kind of peculiar that the dome illustrated on the reissue >>>of "Geodesic >>>Math and How to Use It" isn't geodesic. I got this link >>>following the >>>references to Dick's link to the Wolfram site. >>> >>>Dick, in regard to your question about sigma, I think >>>one needs to refer to the original article there to >>>figure out what's >>>going on. Like I don't see anywhere that "B" is defined, >>>and what the >>>difference between an "old" and a "new" polyhedron vertex >>>is. Maybe the >>>Sky & Telescope website has back issues, though 1994 may >>>be asking a lot. >>> >>>Bob >>> >>>Dick wrote: >>> >>>What is sigma in Kniffen's calculation? I don't get it. >>>See: >>> >>>http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GeodesicDome.html >>> >>>Is the paper available, anyone know? >>> >>> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >>http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:52:33 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Subject: Re: sigma In-Reply-To: <3F0C1A91.5000207@domeincorporated.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Yes, but.... Since you need to get that flat truncation, why not put it at the base where you want it? If you go lamella to a certain point, and then switch to geodesic, aren't you actually increasing the number of component dimensions? Was the truncation level between the geodesic and lamella on the Goose dome a natural flat truncation for the geodesic? Wasn't that about a 16f structure? Clearly over my head here. Bob Sanderson >The Spruce Goose dome is a lamella around the lowest third of the dome, >and changes to a geodesic based on polyhedra for the top 2/3 's. One >advantage of the lamella is it offers a horizontal truncation line at >any height, making it much easier to build a low profile dome. In the >Goose's case, the highest horizontal truncation line is the lowest most >plane of the upper geodesic, and the top plane of the lamella. > >Blair > >Bob Burkhardt wrote: > >>I guess that's the advantage of the lamella is a smaller variety of >>chord lengths. >>It seems to me the Spruce Goose dome had that design except for its cap >>which >>was a geodesic design, so I guess it has something to recommend it if a >>geodesic >>shop like Temcor would use it. >> >>Bob ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:48:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: sigma Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed it's clearly the result of adding diagonals to a tetragonally-gridded sphere, the usual "long. and lat." coordination. that is to say, it needs more work. same with the presentation of formulae that you started this out with; if it's not bogus, it needs a lot more work! --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 13:33:13 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: sigma In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Geodesic? Why or why not? http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~nj2t-hg/ilpov29e.htm Dick --- Bob wrote: > Yes, but.... > > Since you need to get that flat truncation, why not put > it at the > base where you want it? If you go lamella to a certain > point, and > then switch to geodesic, aren't you actually increasing > the number of > component dimensions? Was the truncation level between > the geodesic > and lamella on the Goose dome a natural flat truncation > for the > geodesic? Wasn't that about a 16f structure? > > Clearly over my head here. > > Bob Sanderson > > >The Spruce Goose dome is a lamella around the lowest > third of the dome, > >and changes to a geodesic based on polyhedra for the top > 2/3 's. One > >advantage of the lamella is it offers a horizontal > truncation line at > >any height, making it much easier to build a low profile > dome. In the > >Goose's case, the highest horizontal truncation line is > the lowest most > >plane of the upper geodesic, and the top plane of the > lamella. > > > >Blair > > > >Bob Burkhardt wrote: > > > >>I guess that's the advantage of the lamella is a > smaller variety of > >>chord lengths. > >>It seems to me the Spruce Goose dome had that design > except for its cap > >>which > >>was a geodesic design, so I guess it has something to > recommend it if a > >>geodesic > >>shop like Temcor would use it. > >> > >>Bob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:56:17 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: blair wolfram Subject: Re: sigma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd say none of these are geodesic as they aren't multi-polar and aren't designed from a polyhedral base. Some of these may be non-spherically geodesic like the elephant example. Blair Dick Fischbeck wrote: >Geodesic? Why or why not? > >http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~nj2t-hg/ilpov29e.htm > >Dick > >--- Bob wrote: > > >>Yes, but.... >> >>Since you need to get that flat truncation, why not put >>it at the >>base where you want it? If you go lamella to a certain >>point, and >>then switch to geodesic, aren't you actually increasing >>the number of >>component dimensions? Was the truncation level between >>the geodesic >>and lamella on the Goose dome a natural flat truncation >>for the >>geodesic? Wasn't that about a 16f structure? >> >>Clearly over my head here. >> >>Bob Sanderson >> >> >> >>>The Spruce Goose dome is a lamella around the lowest >>> >>> >>third of the dome, >> >> >>>and changes to a geodesic based on polyhedra for the top >>> >>> >>2/3 's. One >> >> >>>advantage of the lamella is it offers a horizontal >>> >>> >>truncation line at >> >> >>>any height, making it much easier to build a low profile >>> >>> >>dome. In the >> >> >>>Goose's case, the highest horizontal truncation line is >>> >>> >>the lowest most >> >> >>>plane of the upper geodesic, and the top plane of the >>> >>> >>lamella. >> >> >>>Blair >>> >>>Bob Burkhardt wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I guess that's the advantage of the lamella is a >>>> >>>> >>smaller variety of >> >> >>>>chord lengths. >>>>It seems to me the Spruce Goose dome had that design >>>> >>>> >>except for its cap >> >> >>>>which >>>>was a geodesic design, so I guess it has something to >>>> >>>> >>recommend it if a >> >> >>>>geodesic >>>>shop like Temcor would use it. >>>> >>>>Bob >>>> >>>> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:05:54 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: blair wolfram Subject: Re: sigma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem with lamella is at the poles there are many (16?) circle lines converging to one single point. This is a very inefficient design, strut overkill, and although lamella may ( or may not) allow a fewer number of strut lengths, it requires many more struts than a geodesic. Some lamella domes omit every other strut at the poles, and still there are many more than needed. The truncation level for both domes is horizontal, and that is the only reason the two can be combined. I don't think lamella uses the term' frequency' to determine its identity. Blair Bob wrote: > Yes, but.... > > Since you need to get that flat truncation, why not put it at the > base where you want it? If you go lamella to a certain point, and > then switch to geodesic, aren't you actually increasing the number of > component dimensions? Was the truncation level between the geodesic > and lamella on the Goose dome a natural flat truncation for the > geodesic? Wasn't that about a 16f structure? > > Clearly over my head here. > > Bob Sanderson > >> The Spruce Goose dome is a lamella around the lowest third of the dome, >> and changes to a geodesic based on polyhedra for the top 2/3 's. One >> advantage of the lamella is it offers a horizontal truncation line at >> any height, making it much easier to build a low profile dome. In the >> Goose's case, the highest horizontal truncation line is the lowest most >> plane of the upper geodesic, and the top plane of the lamella. >> >> Blair >> >> Bob Burkhardt wrote: >> >>> I guess that's the advantage of the lamella is a smaller variety of >>> chord lengths. >>> It seems to me the Spruce Goose dome had that design except for its cap >>> which >>> was a geodesic design, so I guess it has something to recommend it if a >>> geodesic >>> shop like Temcor would use it. >>> >>> Bob >> > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:08:38 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: blair wolfram Subject: Re: sigma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, if the dome wasn't 'clearly over your head,' the design scientists would have simply failed! Blair Bob wrote: > Yes, but.... > > Since you need to get that flat truncation, why not put it at the > base where you want it? If you go lamella to a certain point, and > then switch to geodesic, aren't you actually increasing the number of > component dimensions? Was the truncation level between the geodesic > and lamella on the Goose dome a natural flat truncation for the > geodesic? Wasn't that about a 16f structure? > > Clearly over my head here. > > Bob Sanderson > >> The Spruce Goose dome is a lamella around the lowest third of the dome, >> and changes to a geodesic based on polyhedra for the top 2/3 's. One >> advantage of the lamella is it offers a horizontal truncation line at >> any height, making it much easier to build a low profile dome. In the >> Goose's case, the highest horizontal truncation line is the lowest most >> plane of the upper geodesic, and the top plane of the lamella. >> >> Blair >> >> Bob Burkhardt wrote: >> >>> I guess that's the advantage of the lamella is a smaller variety of >>> chord lengths. >>> It seems to me the Spruce Goose dome had that design except for its cap >>> which >>> was a geodesic design, so I guess it has something to recommend it if a >>> geodesic >>> shop like Temcor would use it. >>> >>> Bob >> > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1904 18:49:47 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank SPENCER Subject: Re: Sculpture In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Che gerardo.......43=BA ayer aqu=ED por la tarde. Phoof. Mejor en las islas. f El 6/7/03 22:13, "Gerardo Garcia" escribi=F3: >> From: Bob Burkhardt >> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >> >> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Sculpture >> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:40:32 -0400 >=20 > Help ! >=20 > this place is getting alive! >=20 > no electric > grid-geodesic-math-but-two-ladies-in-a-row-one-from-the-old-river-boat-th= e-oth > er-one-even-mentions-teilhard-de-chard(ON)- >=20 > what is it Bob? trying to relate everything with everything? is it not a > out-of-terror subject? It might be a good idea to invite MIchael Moore to > Bucky's Foghouse play >=20 > quincy takes us confessed!! >=20 > great for this fresh air >=20 >=20 >=20 > Gerardo Garc=EDa > still in Tampico, M=E9xico >=20 >>=20 >> Find Buckminster's Galatea at: >>=20 >> http://www.thompsonfineartsinc.com/Sculpture.html >>=20 >> Bob >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:55:17 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Sculpture Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Qué onda Frank? por acá ha estado a 44C y aquí el factor humedad te pone a parir desde bastante menos grados, pues estamos rodeados de lagunas, ríos y mar un saludo Gerardo García _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:18:04 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: SNEC pictures Comments: To: synergeo Comments: cc: sphere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii JMR's pictues from Oswego: http://www.looknfeel.com/SNEC200306/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:46:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Tucson Domes Comments: To: "Hunter, Spencer W" Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Spencer, I found some more domes in Tucson. On the Davis-Montham AFB near the SW = corner of S Wilmot Rd & E Irvington Rd are 3 tanks with geodesic dome = roofs. The best way to view them is to use the Tucson Community = Property Online site (http://www.ci.tucson.az.us/ed/ed.htm). It zooms = in the closest. The other aerial photo services, MapQuest & = Terraserver, don't zoom in nearly as close. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:30:10 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SNEC pictures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed like, wow. this is the only way to truly comprehend the Schlegl "diagram," as it's really a projection. that is to say, of an icosahedron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK !?! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:54:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: july12, 1895 Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bucky was 108 yesterday. That's gettin' up there. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:32:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Elliptical Domes Comments: To: mail@biagiodicarlo.com Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Biagio, I forgot about the following references: Domebook 2; see Chapter 13, pages 35-9, and pages 111-12 for the chord = factors. Dome Builder's handbook #2, pages 40-3 & 51-2. Paper Houses, pages 55-7 Color slide at BFI: http://www.bfi.org/slideshtml/imag0100.htm Article about elliptical domes in Popular Science (mag), Jan 1990, pages = 74-5. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:27:28 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Elliptical Domes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joe Do you know anything else about this model? What's it made of? Who made it? Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Color slide at BFI: > http://www.bfi.org/slideshtml/imag0100.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:39:05 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Elliptical Domes Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, See http://www.bfi.org/line_view4.htm It was probably built by one of his students. Here's some additional refs: Geodesic Math and How to Use It, pages 84-94 Dome Builder's Handbook #2, pages 40-3, 49-55, & back cover See also http://zan.zoom.free.fr/zome_planet/zapoche_en.html -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Fischbeck" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Elliptical Domes > Joe > > Do you know anything else about this model? What's it made > of? Who made it? > > Dick > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > > Color slide at BFI: > > http://www.bfi.org/slideshtml/imag0100.htm > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:10:11 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Still hoping for information about Fuller's time in Sherbrooke! Comments: To: mattshepherd@videotron.ca Comments: cc: deborah@bfi.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: Still hoping for information about Fuller's time in = Sherbrooke!Matthew, Here's the info that I have re the city of Sherbrooke, Canada: Fuller worked as an apprentice millwright at the Connecticut Canada = Textile Co cotton mill in 1913-14 after getting kicked out of Harvard = the first time. Buckminster Fuller's Universe, pages 21-2, 25 Your Private Sky R Buckminster Fuller, Discourse, pages 49 & 303 Ideas and Integrities, pages 11-12 Sorry, don't have the actual address. The Fuller Archives at Stanford = may be able to help you: http://dynaweb.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead/stanford/mss/m1090/ -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Buckminster Fuller Institute=20 To: Joe S Moore=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:16 PM Subject: FW: Still hoping for information about Fuller's time = inSherbrooke! Hi Joe,=20 Here is a trivia question that I do not have the answer to... Do you know and are you interested in responding? Cheers,=20 Deb -- Deborah Grace Buckminster Fuller Institute deborah@bfi.org http://www.bfi.org =20 707-824 2242 707-824 2243 fax ******* "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing=20 model obsolete" -R. Buckminster = Fuller The Buckminster Fuller Institute (BFI), a 501 (c)(3) nonprofit = organization, is a diverse group of individuals committed to a = successful and sustainable future for 100% of humanity. Founded in 1983 = and inspired by the design science principles pioneered by the late = Buckminster Fuller, BFI serves as an information resource to students, = educators, authors, designers and concerned citizens working to advance = humanity's option for success. ---------- From: Matthew Shepherd Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:28:45 -0400 To: info@bfi.org Subject: Still hoping for information about Fuller's time in = Sherbrooke! Hello, I wrote you a short while ago, but from a different computer, = requesting a specific piece of information. I'm not sure the e-mail got = through (the other computer was a bit buggy), so I'm trying again.=20 I was astonished the other day to learn (from The Dymaxion World...) = that Buckminster Fuller had worked, briefly, at a cotton mill in = Sherbrooke, Quebec. I was wondering if you could provide any more = information on that mill: specifically its address, so I might visit = where it stands/stood. Thank you, Matthew Shepherd Sherbrooke, Quebec ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:31:14 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: Nature's Magic: Synergy in Evolution and the Fate of Humankind In-Reply-To: <003501c33db8$7d57f8e0$8f9e4d51@s5c8j9> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Nature's Magic: Synergy in Evolution and the Fate of Humankind by Peter Corning (Author) Hardcover: 454 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.33 x 9.18 x 6.30 Publisher: Cambridge University Press; (May 2003) ISBN: 0521825474 AMAZON - US http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521825474/darwinanddarwini AMAZON - UK http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521825474/humannaturecom Book Description: In Nature's Magic Peter Corning advances a bold new vision of the evolutionary process - from the Big Bang to the 21st century. Corning proposes that synergy is not only a ubiquitous phenomenon in the natural world but it is also a wellspring of creativity and the "driver" of the broad evolutionary trend toward increased complexity, in nature and human societies alike. In contrast with the many theories of emergence or complexity that rely on some underlying force or "law," the "Synergism Hypothesis," as Corning calls it, is in essence an economic (or "bioeconomic") theory of biological complexity; it is fully consistent with mainstream evolutionary biology. Among the many important insights that are provided by this new paradigm is a scenario in which Corning proposes that the human species in effect invented itself; synergistic behavioral and technological innovations were the "pacemakers" of our biological evolution. Synergy has also played a key role in the evolution of complex modern societies, he concludes. The final chapter addresses our current challenges and future prospects. >From the Preliminary Reviews: "I like this book. It's exciting, well-documented, and well-argued. It's very informative both for professional biologists and well-read lay people; it will change their minds and get them to see synergies everywhere." - Professor Jack Cohen, Warwick University, author of Figments of Reality, and Evolving the Alien (with Ian Stewart). "If you are under the impression that synergy is not particularly important, just try to tie your shoes with a single hand. The book will appeal to anyone interested in the place of evolutionary thinking in general intellectual culture. It will also be esteemed a particularly valuable contribution to the emerging discipline of bioeconomics." - Professor Michael Ghiselin, California Academy of Sciences. PRAISE FOR THE SYNERGISM HYPOTHESIS: A THEORY OF PROGRESSIVE EVOLUTION (McGraw-Hill, 1983) By Peter A. Corning "This is a remarkable book, first of scholarship, and also of ideas. The scholarship is almost overwhelming...It certainly stands out as a remarkable achievement, even though it is one that is almost impossible to review because of its richness and complexity...My view [of evolution] supplements rather than contradicts the Corning hypothesis, with which I find myself in substantial agreement. Corning's book is an important contribution to [a multi-disciplinary] synthesis, and one hopes it will be widely read and taken very seriously." - Kenneth Boulding, Review for Science Digest "The basic thesis is sound...and Corning's erudition lends great solidity to the work." - Michael T. Ghiselin, California Academy of Sciences "A brilliant work...a masterful as well as innovative synthesis...enormous theoretical as well as pragmatic implications." - William Reckmeyer, Former President, American Society for Cybernetics "A New Synthesis bringing together an awesome knowledge of biological processes....A major achievement." - Roger Masters, Dartmouth College ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:42:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: URGENT query: First World Game Comments: To: Deborah Grace MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Deborah, The first World Game took place at the New York Studio School of Painting & Sculpture in NYC from June 12 thru July 31, 1969. It was both audio and video taped. An article about it appeared in IBM's Think magazine on Nov 1, 1969, and the LA Free Press did a series by Gene Youngblood in Dec 1969. For refs about Scholssberg see: http://buckminster.info/Index/Sch-Sek.htm (scroll to "Sclossberg") -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Grace" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: URGENT query: First World Game > Joe, > > This reporter is in a rush to get to the info about where the first World > Game was run (she is writing an article about Schlossberg) and she needs > this info by noon pacific time... > > I am searching to help out but two are better than one! > > Cheers, > > Deborah > ---------- > From: "Groves, Martha" > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:05:12 -0700 > To: "'deborah@bfi.org'" > Subject: First World Game > > Where was the first World Game held? This info is for a story about Edwin > Schlossberg, who is credited with organizing that first World Game. > Best, and thanks, > Martha > > Martha Groves > Metro Reporter > Los Angeles Times > 1717 Fourth Street > Santa Monica, CA 90401 > > phone: 310.314.1270 > fax: 310.450.2819 > > martha.groves@latimes.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:11:22 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ref: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html This is a model I built of a tensegrity I found in the civil engineering literature. It's asymmetric in a dramatic way. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:15:02 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Isn't it an asymmetric tensegrity octahedron? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Burkhardt [mailto:bobwb@CHANNEL1.COM] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:11 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism Ref: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html This is a model I built of a tensegrity I found in the civil engineering literature. It's asymmetric in a dramatic way. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:02:47 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism In-Reply-To: <2F175DC588EFD211B37C0060088FAC396035F5@pscserver3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Strictly speaking, all tensegrities are asymmetric. Nice model. Dick ?< Kalenak wrote: > Isn't it an asymmetric tensegrity octahedron? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Burkhardt [mailto:bobwb@CHANNEL1.COM] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:11 PM > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism > > Ref: > http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html > > This is a model I built of a tensegrity I found in the > civil engineering > literature. It's > asymmetric in a dramatic way. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:15:43 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain A regular tensegrity Octahedron is very symmetrical (geometrically and statically). Main Entry: sym*me*try 2 : the property of being symmetrical; especially : correspondence in size, shape, and relative position of parts on opposite sides of a dividing line or median plane or about a center or axis -- compare BILATERAL SYMMETRY, RADIAL SYMMETRY It is symmetrical around all three internal compressive axis. "A point in every direction is the same as no point at all." Firesign Theater "Waiting for the Electrician or Someone Like Him" -----Original Message----- From: Dick Fischbeck [mailto:dick_fischbeck@YAHOO.COM] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:03 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism Strictly speaking, all tensegrities are asymmetric. Nice model. Dick ?< Kalenak wrote: > Isn't it an asymmetric tensegrity octahedron? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Burkhardt [mailto:bobwb@CHANNEL1.COM] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:11 PM > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism > > Ref: > http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html > > This is a model I built of a tensegrity I found in the > civil engineering > literature. It's > asymmetric in a dramatic way. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 06:28:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism In-Reply-To: <2F175DC588EFD211B37C0060088FAC396035F9@pscserver3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm just talking about tolerances. --- Tony Kalenak wrote: > A regular tensegrity Octahedron is very symmetrical > (geometrically and > statically). > > > Main Entry: sym*me*try > > 2 : the property of being symmetrical; especially : > correspondence in size, > shape, and relative position of parts on opposite sides > of a dividing line > or median plane or about a center or axis -- compare > BILATERAL SYMMETRY, > RADIAL SYMMETRY > > It is symmetrical around all three internal compressive > axis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A point in every direction is the same as no point at > all." > > Firesign Theater > "Waiting for the > Electrician or Someone Like > Him" > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick Fischbeck [mailto:dick_fischbeck@YAHOO.COM] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:03 PM > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism > > Strictly speaking, all tensegrities are asymmetric. Nice > model. > > Dick > > ?< Kalenak wrote: > > Isn't it an asymmetric tensegrity octahedron? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob Burkhardt [mailto:bobwb@CHANNEL1.COM] > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:11 PM > > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism > > > > Ref: > > > http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html > > > > This is a model I built of a tensegrity I found in the > > civil engineering > > literature. It's > > asymmetric in a dramatic way. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:13:06 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topologically it's a 3-prism. I think an octahedron would have three more tendons. Bob Tony Kalenak wrote: >Isn't it an asymmetric tensegrity octahedron? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Burkhardt [mailto:bobwb@CHANNEL1.COM] >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:11 PM >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism > >Ref: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html > >This is a model I built of a tensegrity I found in the civil engineering >literature. It's >asymmetric in a dramatic way. > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:17:15 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A "standard" 3-prism exhibits 3-fold symmetry, meaning you get the same figure when you rotate it 120 degrees about its central axis. It also has a 2-fold symmetry axis through it's side, meaning if you turn it upside down you using that axis, you get the same figure. The "asymmetric" figure I submitted doesn't exhibit the 3-fold symmetry, but I think it still exhibits the 2-fold symmetry. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >I'm just talking about tolerances. > >--- Tony Kalenak wrote: > > >>A regular tensegrity Octahedron is very symmetrical >>(geometrically and >>statically). >> >> >>Main Entry: sym*me*try >> >>2 : the property of being symmetrical; especially : >>correspondence in size, >>shape, and relative position of parts on opposite sides >>of a dividing line >>or median plane or about a center or axis -- compare >>BILATERAL SYMMETRY, >>RADIAL SYMMETRY >> >>It is symmetrical around all three internal compressive >>axis. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>"A point in every direction is the same as no point at >>all." >> >>Firesign Theater >> "Waiting for the >>Electrician or Someone Like >>Him" >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dick Fischbeck [mailto:dick_fischbeck@YAHOO.COM] >>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:03 PM >>To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism >> >>Strictly speaking, all tensegrities are asymmetric. Nice >>model. >> >>Dick >> >>?< Kalenak wrote: >> >> >>>Isn't it an asymmetric tensegrity octahedron? >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Bob Burkhardt [mailto:bobwb@CHANNEL1.COM] >>>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:11 PM >>>To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>Subject: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism >>> >>>Ref: >>> >>> >>> >http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html > > >>>This is a model I built of a tensegrity I found in the >>>civil engineering >>>literature. It's >>>asymmetric in a dramatic way. >>> >>> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >>http://sbc.yahoo.com >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:19:52 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Asymmetric Four-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ref: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk4prsm.html This is a model I built of another tensegrity I found in the civil engineering literature (same paper as the last one). It's asymmetric in an interesting way. This one is a 4-prism instead of a 3-prism like the last one. I'm saying asymmetric in the sense that it has fewer symmetries than a regular 4-prism. It only exhibits 2-fold symmetry about it's vertical axis, and you don't get the same figure when you turn it upside down. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:36:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Asymmetric Four-fold Tensegrity Prism In-Reply-To: <3F184858.50609@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aka. cube. 8 vertexes. Duotet. Dick --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > Ref: > http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk4prsm.html > > This is a model I built of another tensegrity I found in > the civil > engineering literature (same paper as the last one). > It's > asymmetric in an interesting way. This one is a 4-prism > instead > of a 3-prism like the last one. I'm saying asymmetric in > the sense > that it has fewer symmetries than a regular 4-prism. It > only exhibits > 2-fold symmetry about it's vertical axis, and you don't > get the > same figure when you turn it upside down. > > Bob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:47:05 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism In-Reply-To: <3F1846C2.8040301@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 6 vertexes, 12 edges, 3 of them virtual edges. A 6vertexion, aka. octahedron. 8 triangular faces. Dick --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > Topologically it's a 3-prism. I think an octahedron > would have three > more tendons. > > Bob > > Tony Kalenak wrote: > > >Isn't it an asymmetric tensegrity octahedron? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Bob Burkhardt [mailto:bobwb@CHANNEL1.COM] > >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:11 PM > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism > > > >Ref: > http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html > > > >This is a model I built of a tensegrity I found in the > civil engineering > >literature. It's > >asymmetric in a dramatic way. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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Go thru my collection of dome manufacturers: http://buckminster.info/Index/Dome-Dt.htm (scroll to "Manufacturers" There are a few that sell just plans. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Salgoud Otipas=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: plans Hello I am interested in using some plans to construct a home. Is ther = an orderform or # I should call to obtain info? I have searched the site = nad haven't had much luck..thank you have a great day. karl lathaphobic_aphasia@yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:05:20 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: SNEC pictures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the pix. Can't remember who JMR is. That must have been Rick Flowerday with all the synetic structures and their interlocking rings. Like that simple methodology used for staking the geodesic. Should work for tensegrity as well. What's the name of that card game you were playing? :-) Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >JMR's pictues from Oswego: > >http://www.looknfeel.com/SNEC200306/ > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:11:28 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, OK. If you want throw in virtual edges you can call it an octahedron. It's topology matches that of a three-fold tensegrity prism (no virtual edges needed). Now that I check further I can't see that it has any symmetry axes. The two long struts are actually of slightly different lengths. I'm going to play with it some more. I think I can get some more interesting figures out of it. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >6 vertexes, 12 edges, 3 of them virtual edges. A >6vertexion, aka. octahedron. 8 triangular faces. > >Dick > >--- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > > >>Topologically it's a 3-prism. I think an octahedron >>would have three >>more tendons. >> >>Bob >> >>Tony Kalenak wrote: >> >> >> >>>Isn't it an asymmetric tensegrity octahedron? >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Bob Burkhardt [mailto:bobwb@CHANNEL1.COM] >>>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:11 PM >>>To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>Subject: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism >>> >>>Ref: >>> >>> >http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html > > >>>This is a model I built of a tensegrity I found in the >>> >>> >>civil engineering >> >> >>>literature. It's >>>asymmetric in a dramatic way. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:15:40 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Asymmetric Four-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry I always think tensegrity. Certainly a cube is a four-fold prism. But I've made a tensegrity cube (a strut for each edge of the Pythagorean cube -- 12 in all) and it's nothing like that. Topologically it's identical to the four-fold tensegrity prism. I think I'm speaking too loosely calling it asymmetrical since it does have symmetries. I think when I have time I'll change the title to "Reduced-Symmetry Four-fold Tensegrity Prism". Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >Aka. cube. 8 vertexes. Duotet. > >Dick > >--- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > > >>Ref: >> >> >> >http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk4prsm.html > > >>This is a model I built of another tensegrity I found in >>the civil >>engineering literature (same paper as the last one). >>It's >>asymmetric in an interesting way. This one is a 4-prism >>instead >>of a 3-prism like the last one. I'm saying asymmetric in >>the sense >>that it has fewer symmetries than a regular 4-prism. It >>only exhibits >>2-fold symmetry about it's vertical axis, and you don't >>get the >>same figure when you turn it upside down. >> >>Bob >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:42:58 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: morphing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Article of interest. Dick Spatial relations The science of morphing has created a resurgence of geometry-led architecture, writes Peter Forbes Thursday March 27, 2003 The Guardian We know what morphing is: one human face gradually becomes another thanks to the computer's ability to interpolate between two sets of pixels. This is just one aspect of morphology, the science of shape at the cutting edge of architecture and engineering. Structural morphologists believe it is geometry that drives architectural and engineering innovation. The pioneer of this approach was Buckminster Fuller, an evangelist for applying geometry to space-filling structures. He believed the standard approach to space structures - right-angled cubes and rectangular boxes - was wrong. He sought the most efficient use of materials, which meant members in tension rather than great chunks of masonry or metal in compression. To make such structures, Fuller claimed, you need structures based on triangles and tetrahedra rather than cubes. So fervent was Fuller's geometrical zeal that when he taught at Black Mountain College in the late 40s, a class joke was that "Bucky probably invented the triangle". But Fuller's quest led him into the fascinating world of polyhedral geometry - the five and only five platonic solids. Attempting to design space-frame grids for domes, he investigated the relationship between the platonic solids and spheres. The nearest approach to a sphere is the icosahedron. If you divide the faces of an icosahedron into triangles, then bash down the corners and tweak out the middles of the faces, you have a sphere composed of triangles. Turn the lines into physical struts and you have your dome. In deriving the geodesic dome from the icosahedron, Fuller performed a systematic transformation of one 3-D shape into another. This has become a recognised technique of the morphologists and it has a far longer history than you might imagine. In De la proportion des parties & portraicts des corps human (1557), Albrecht Dürer, the first artist in northern Europe to explore perspective, also explored grid transformations. Admittedly, his were only in two dimensions but he showed how different facial types could be derived by drawing a grid over the face and then stretching or squashing parts of it. Centuries later, Dürer's intuition was shown to have a basis in biology by the polymathic biologist and proto biomimetician D'Arcy Thompson (1860-1948). D'Arcy Thompson was primarily concerned with the shapes of living things and how they got that way, but he often referred to parallels with engineering. One of his most perceptive observations showed how the form of one creature could be derived from another by means of a systematic grid deformation. By this system, two apparently different fishes can be seen to be derived from each other; ditto the human skull from chimpanzees. Although a purely formal process, an exercise in the science of morphology, biology provides plausible mechanisms. Nature as a designer can only work through evolution; one structure by definition has to be derivable from another. And shape results from gradients in biochemical reactions - what the reactions are was unknown in Thompson's day and is still fairly obscure but the principle is almost certainly correct. The driving force of modern architecture is geometry, and the computer has given a great fillip to the investigation of novel shapes. The artist Tony Robbin's book, Engineering the New Architecture (1996), is a manifesto for the geometry-led architecture that has blossomed in structures such as the Haji Terminal, Jeddah, Atlanta's Georgia Dome, and the Palau Sant Jordi in Barcelona. Many of the new shapes are tried out on computer first and a program called Cordin, invented by Pieter Huybers at the University of Delft, applies Thompsonesque transformations to architectural designs and shows how what appear to be unrelated structures can be derived from each other. Usually, the overall shape is divided into triangles so that once the final form of a structure is found by means of the computer transformation, the space frame can be made by turning the triangles into struts. A related computer system is Formian, developed by Hoshyar Nooshin and Peter Disney at the University of Surrey. It is particularly good at generating the triangulated truss structures of large complex domes. Complex shell shapes can be made in many materials: thin reinforced concrete, membranes of Teflon-coated fibreglass (as in the Millennium Dome), even wood, in which there has been a resur gence of interest recently. The wooden gridshell is an astute blend of one of the oldest and most flexible materials and the new spatial thinking. The downland gridshell, at the Weald and Downland Museum, Sussex, is a brilliant piece of architecture. The gridshell, the first of its kind in Britain, marries high-level carpentry skills with the new plastic shape-making. It literally morphs during construction: it is made from oak laths end-jointed to create very long spars. There are four layers of the meshed laths and the nodes have a patented metal connnector that allows the angle between crossed laths to vary. To create the shell shape, the grid was laid out flat over a scaffold and then bent into a double hourglass shape. If it seemed to Buckminster Fuller, 70 years ago, that our spatial sense was crippled by the cube, it is now flowing freely, in every curve and material imaginable. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:57:09 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Asymmetric Four-fold Tensegrity Prism In-Reply-To: <3F19A6EC.1070501@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob According to Chris Fearney, the next SNEC conference will be centered on tensegrities. Has he contacted you yet? If not, he will I'm sure. Dick --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > Sorry I always think tensegrity. Certainly a cube is a > four-fold prism. > But I've made a tensegrity > cube (a strut for each edge of the Pythagorean cube -- 12 > in all) and > it's nothing like that. > Topologically it's identical to the four-fold tensegrity > prism. I think > I'm speaking too loosely > calling it asymmetrical since it does have symmetries. I > think when I > have time I'll change > the title to "Reduced-Symmetry Four-fold Tensegrity > Prism". > > Bob > > Dick Fischbeck wrote: > > >Aka. cube. 8 vertexes. Duotet. > > > >Dick > > > >--- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > > > > > >>Ref: > >> > >> > >> > >http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk4prsm.html > > > > > >>This is a model I built of another tensegrity I found > in > >>the civil > >>engineering literature (same paper as the last one). > >>It's > >>asymmetric in an interesting way. This one is a > 4-prism > >>instead > >>of a 3-prism like the last one. I'm saying asymmetric > in > >>the sense > >>that it has fewer symmetries than a regular 4-prism. > It > >>only exhibits > >>2-fold symmetry about it's vertical axis, and you don't > >>get the > >>same figure when you turn it upside down. > >> > >>Bob > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:03:59 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: SNEC pictures In-Reply-To: <3F19A480.2090200@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > Thanks for the pix. Can't remember who JMR is. That > must have been > Rick Flowerday > with all the synetic structures and their interlocking > rings. Like that > simple methodology > used for staking the geodesic. Should work for > tensegrity as well. > What's the name of that > card game you were playing? :-) The game is spiral vertexes, aka. fibonacci! JMR, aka. Rowley, moderates the domehome list. Ever read it? See: http://www.domegroup.org/ Dick > > Bob > > Dick Fischbeck wrote: > > >JMR's pictues from Oswego: > > > >http://www.looknfeel.com/SNEC200306/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:47:14 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed most would say that thte extra tendons are redundant, rather than "virtual." thus quoth: 6 vertexes, 12 edges, 3 of them virtual edges. A --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:03:00 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Asymmetric Four-fold Tensegrity Prism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'd guess taht, by construction, it has only one good axis of 4-fold symmetry, of either handedness. thus quoth: calling it asymmetrical since it does have symmetries. I think when I --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:38:12 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank SPENCER Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hola to the quincy family, Trying to enter your site > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX i got this message. Web=A0Site=A0Disabled =A0Access to this Web site has been disabled. Solutions? Please. fws El 19/7/03 23:47, "Quincy Quincy Quincy" escribi=F3: > most would say that thte extra tendons are redundant, > rather than "virtual." >=20 > thus quoth: > 6 vertexes, 12 edges, 3 of them virtual edges. A >=20 > --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): > Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... > http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 07:51:49 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Virtual works, though, doesn't it? --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > most would say that thte extra tendons are redundant, > rather than "virtual." > > thus quoth: > 6 vertexes, 12 edges, 3 of them virtual edges. A > > --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): > Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... > http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) > > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html > > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:08:08 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: Re: morphing In-Reply-To: <20030719204258.49663.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 7/19/03 21:42, Dick Fischbeck wrote: > Article of interest. > > Dick > > Spatial relations > > The science of morphing has created a resurgence of > geometry-led architecture, writes Peter Forbes > > Thursday March 27, 2003 > The Guardian on 3/27/03 18:06, Paul Taylor wrote: > Guardian article today discusses Fuller: > > > Spatial relations > > The science of morphing has created a resurgence of geometry-led > architecture... > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/science/story/0,12450,922353,00.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:52:31 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I prefer virtual. If they were actually inserted into the tensegrity, then maybe I'd call them redundant, or perhaps zero-force. Bob Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > most would say that thte extra tendons are redundant, > rather than "virtual." > > thus quoth: > 6 vertexes, 12 edges, 3 of them virtual edges. A > > --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): > Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... > http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > . > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:03:32 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Asymmetric Four-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It has one 2-fold axis of symmetry versus a regular 4-prism which has one 4-fold axis of symmetry which is why I'm now calling it a "reduced-symmetry" version of the 4-prism rather than an "asymmetric" version. It still retains some symmetry. Bob Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > I'd guess taht, by construction, > it has only one good axis of 4-fold symmetry, > of either handedness. > > thus quoth: > calling it asymmetrical since it does have symmetries. I think when I > > --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected > to Board. Newsish? > http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ > http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > . > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:07:18 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Another Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ref: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html I added a new model to this file. I realized the skew 3-prism reminded me of the three-triple-bonded-tetrahedra building block of the tetrahelix, so I built a version of the model with all the tendon lengths at one and the short strut at length one. It's almost there, but not quite. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:20:47 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank SPENCER Subject: Re: itVillage In-Reply-To: <3F019E78.9050205@domeincorporated.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable El 1/7/03 16:45, "blair wolfram" escribi=F3= : > Will all geodesic domes get lighter per square foot as they get larger? >=20 > Blair >=20 > Joe S Moore wrote: >=20 >> James, >>=20 >> What we need is a multi-million-player, real-time, online, global simula= tion >> along the lines of Bucky's old World Game. Maybe there is some way to >> charge a fee and maybe earn academic credits. There are plenty of globa= l >> statistics available for free now, and there are plenty of alternatives = to >> Bucky's copyrighted version of a global map. >> -------------------------------------------- >> Joe S Moore >> joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >> http://buckminster.info >> ------------------------------------------- >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:15 PM >> Subject: itVillage >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> Hi Joe, >>>=20 >>> I've been off the geodesic list for a long time. Thought I'd show you t= his >>> page I put up temporarily. It'll give you an idea of the direction I'm >>> heading with Buckminster fuller's work. >>>=20 >>> http://www.itVillage.com >>>=20 >>> Best, >>> James >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:41:28 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Another Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed what is the problem with making it have perfect 3-fold symmetry?... that is obvious "by inspection." I think it's hilarious, to denote a tendon as "virutal," when no-one has bothered to give any reason for that. admittedly, it may not be particularly "redundant," either. not having re-looked at the 4-prismatic one, I don't see why ... no; I *do* see why, I think, like the 3-prismatic one, it can only have 2-fold sym. --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:52:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: that nice place to sail to Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >It is a Senior year society which exists only at Yale. Members are >chosen in their Junior year and spend only one year on campus, the >Senior year, with Skull & Bones. In other words, the organization is >oriented to the graduate outside world. The Order meets annually - >patriarchies only - on Deer Island in the St. Lawrence River." --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... For a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, JIMMY; LET'S US and SU FIGHT" -then-PM of England & Zbiggy http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:06:27 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Another Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No problem with 3-fold symmetry. Then you'd have the 3-fold prisms Kenner has already explored pretty thoroughly. I'm trying to run down some other paths which looked interesting. Maybe we could call them "imaginary" tendons since you have to use your imagination to see them. I still like virtual, but maybe I'll like imaginary after I think about it more. Bob Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > what is the problem with making it have perfect 3-fold symmetry?... > that is obvious "by inspection." > I think it's hilarious, to denote a tendon as "virutal," > when no-one has bothered to give any reason for that. admittedly, > it may not be particularly "redundant," either. > > not having re-looked at the 4-prismatic one, > I don't see why ... no; I *do* see why, I think, > like the 3-prismatic one, it can only have 2-fold sym. > > --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected > to Board. Newsish? > http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ > http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > . > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:21:57 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Another Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Snelson's had 3-fold rotation?... doesn't a tenseg.octah. have it, left or right, using the same 3 struts, similarly at right angles? here's my meaning: if you added one of these "virtual" tendons, and then snipped one of the nine (?) that were required, would it not collapse?... if so, not even redundant, except in limiting some motions/stresses. thus quoth: No problem with 3-fold symmetry. Then you'd have the 3-fold prisms Kenner http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... For a 1000-year "anglo-american hegemony?" "HEY, JIMMY; LET'S US and SU FIGHT" -then-PM of England & Zbiggy http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:33:33 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Another Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed must have missed, when you explained your notation, and how you got the compressive & tensive (negative?) forces on those elements (1(c) etc.). http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:06:38 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: that nice place to sail to Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed am I correct, Bucky's family's summer get-away was this Deer Island in the St.Lawrance Seaway, or was it Dear Harbor?... I know, Bucky was a *Hahvahd* man. thus quoth: The undoubted political and financial power associated with Skull and Bones has given rise to many popular questions about the nature and origin of the group. Its members have fed the mystery with false leads and silly speculations. The order was incorporated in 1856 under the name ``Russell Trust Association.'' By special act of the state legislature in 1943, its trustees are exempted from the normal requirement of filing corporate reports with the Connecticut Secretary of State. As of 1978, all business of the Russell Trust was handled by its lone trustee, Brown Brothers Harriman partner John B. Madden, Jr. Madden started with Brown Brothers Harriman in 1946, under senior partner Prescott Bush, George Bush's father. Each year, Skull and Bones members select (``tap'') 15 third-year Yale students to replace them in the senior group the following year. Graduating members are given a sizeable cash bonus to help them get started in life. Older graduate members, the so-called ``Patriarchs,'' give special backing in business, politics, espionage and legal careers to graduate Bonesmen who exhibit talent or usefulness. The home of Skull and Bones on the Yale campus is a stone building resembling a mausoleum, and known as ``the Tomb.'' Initiations take place on Deer Island in the St. Lawrence River (an island owned by the Russell Trust Association), with regular reunions on Deer Island and at Yale. Initiation rites reportedly include strenuous and traumatic activities of the new member, while immersed naked in mud, and in a coffin. More important is the ``sexual autobiography'': The initiate tells the Order all the sex secrets of his young life. Weakened mental defenses against manipulation, and the blackmail potential of such information, have obvious permanent uses in enforcing loyalty among members. The loyalty is intense. One of Bush's former teachers, whose own father was a Skull and Bones member, told our interviewer that his father used to stab his little Skull and Bones pin into his skin to keep it in place when he took a bath. Members continue throughout their lives to unburden themselves on their psycho-sexual thoughts to their Bones Brothers, even if they are no longer sitting in a coffin. This has been the case with President George Bush, for whom these ties are reported to have a deep personal meaning. Beyond the psychological manipulation associated with freemasonic mummery, there are very solid political reasons for Bush's strong identification with this cult. Observers of Skull and Bones, apologists and critics alike, have accepted various deceptive notions about the order. There are two outstanding, among these falsehoods: 1) that it is essentially an American group, an assembly of wealthy, elite ``patriots''; it is in fact, an agency for British Empire penetration and subversion of the American republic; and 2) that it is somehow the unique center of conspiratorial control over the United States. This misconception is certainly understandable, given the rather astonishing number of powerful, historically important and grotesquely anti-human individuals, who have come out of Skull and Bones. But there are in fact congruent organizations at other Ivy League colleges, which reflect, as does Skull and Bones, the over-arching oligarchical power of several heavily intermarried financier families. The mistaken, speculative notions may be corrected by examining the history of Skull and Bones, viewed within the reality of the American Eastern Establishment. Skull and Bones--the Russell Trust Association--was first established among the class graduating from Yale in 1833. Its founder was William Huntington Russell of Middletown, Connecticut. The Russell family was the master of incalculable wealth derived from the largest U.S. criminal organization of the nineteenth century: Russell and Company, the great opium syndicate. There was at that time a deep suspicion of, and national revulsion against, freemasonry and secret organizations in the United States, fostered in particular by the anti-masonic writings of former U.S. President John Quincy Adams. Adams stressed that those who take oaths to politically powerful international secret societies cannot be depended on for loyalty to a democratic republic. But the Russells were protected as part of the multiply-intermarried grouping of families then ruling Connecticut (see accompanying chart). The blood-proud members of the Russell, Pierpont, Edwards, Burr, Griswold, Day, Alsop and Hubbard families were prominent in the pro-British party within the state. Many of their sons would be among the members chosen for the Skull and Bones Society over the years. The background to Skull and Bones is a story of Opium and Empire, and a bitter struggle for political control over the new U.S. republic. --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK !?! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 04:35:54 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: that nice place to sail to In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bear Island, Maine --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > am I correct, Bucky's family's summer get-away was this > Deer Island > in the St.Lawrance Seaway, or was it Dear Harbor?... I > know, > Bucky was a *Hahvahd* man. > > thus quoth: > The undoubted political and financial power associated > with Skull and Bones > has given rise to many popular questions about the nature > and origin of the > group. Its members have fed the mystery with false leads > and silly > speculations. > > The order was incorporated in 1856 under the name > ``Russell Trust > Association.'' By special act of the state legislature in > 1943, its trustees > are exempted from the normal requirement of filing > corporate reports with > the Connecticut Secretary of State. > > As of 1978, all business of the Russell Trust was handled > by its lone > trustee, Brown Brothers Harriman partner John B. Madden, > Jr. Madden started > with Brown Brothers Harriman in 1946, under senior > partner Prescott Bush, > George Bush's father. > > Each year, Skull and Bones members select (``tap'') 15 > third-year Yale > students to replace them in the senior group the > following year. Graduating > members are given a sizeable cash bonus to help them get > started in life. > Older graduate members, the so-called ``Patriarchs,'' > give special backing > in business, politics, espionage and legal careers to > graduate Bonesmen who > exhibit talent or usefulness. > > The home of Skull and Bones on the Yale campus is a stone > building > resembling a mausoleum, and known as ``the Tomb.'' > Initiations take place on > Deer Island in the St. Lawrence River (an island owned by > the Russell Trust > Association), with regular reunions on Deer Island and at > Yale. Initiation > rites reportedly include strenuous and traumatic > activities of the new > member, while immersed naked in mud, and in a coffin. > More important is the > ``sexual autobiography'': The initiate tells the Order > all the sex secrets > of his young life. Weakened mental defenses against > manipulation, and the > blackmail potential of such information, have obvious > permanent uses in > enforcing loyalty among members. > > The loyalty is intense. One of Bush's former teachers, > whose own father was > a Skull and Bones member, told our interviewer that his > father used to stab > his little Skull and Bones pin into his skin to keep it > in place when he > took a bath. > > Members continue throughout their lives to unburden > themselves on their > psycho-sexual thoughts to their Bones Brothers, even if > they are no longer > sitting in a coffin. This has been the case with > President George Bush, for > whom these ties are reported to have a deep personal > meaning. Beyond the > psychological manipulation associated with freemasonic > mummery, there are > very solid political reasons for Bush's strong > identification with this > cult. > > Observers of Skull and Bones, apologists and critics > alike, have accepted > various deceptive notions about the order. There are two > outstanding, among > these falsehoods: > > 1) that it is essentially an American group, an assembly > of wealthy, elite > ``patriots''; it is in fact, an agency for British Empire > penetration and > subversion of the American republic; and > > 2) that it is somehow the unique center of conspiratorial > control over the > United States. This misconception is certainly > understandable, given the > rather astonishing number of powerful, historically > important and > grotesquely anti-human individuals, who have come out of > Skull and Bones. > But there are in fact congruent organizations at other > Ivy League colleges, > which reflect, as does Skull and Bones, the over-arching > oligarchical power > of several heavily intermarried financier families. > > The mistaken, speculative notions may be corrected by > examining the history > of Skull and Bones, viewed within the reality of the > American Eastern > Establishment. > > Skull and Bones--the Russell Trust Association--was first > established among > the class graduating from Yale in 1833. Its founder was > William Huntington > Russell of Middletown, Connecticut. The Russell family > was the master of > incalculable wealth derived from the largest U.S. > criminal organization of > the nineteenth century: Russell and Company, the great > opium syndicate. > > There was at that time a deep suspicion of, and national > revulsion against, > freemasonry and secret organizations in the United > States, fostered in > particular by the anti-masonic writings of former U.S. > President John Quincy > Adams. Adams stressed that those who take oaths to > politically powerful > international secret societies cannot be depended on for > loyalty to a > democratic republic. > > But the Russells were protected as part of the > multiply-intermarried > grouping of families then ruling Connecticut (see > accompanying chart). The > blood-proud members of the Russell, Pierpont, Edwards, > Burr, Griswold, Day, > Alsop and Hubbard families were prominent in the > pro-British party within > the state. Many of their sons would be among the members > chosen for the > Skull and Bones Society over the years. > > The background to Skull and Bones is a story of Opium and > Empire, and a > bitter struggle for political control over the new U.S. > republic. > > --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) > ECONOMIE?... > La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises > de Kyoto: > (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ > BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. > Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, > below): > 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 > 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE > 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU > 25 -- THYROID STORK !?! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:48:59 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Belt Subject: Re: that nice place to sail to In-Reply-To: <20030724113554.5622.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Dick Fischbeck wrote: > Bear Island, Maine ....................................................................... jb: As I recall Dick lives within sight of Bear Island or at least very near Bear Island. My feeling is that Bucky was 'his own man' rather than a 'Havard man' and lived his life with evidence working for all 'people'. Don't feel the Harvard tag remained important as he developed his own agenda. In the end Harvard aligned with Fuller with the awarding of the doctorate, not Fuller aligning with a degree walk across the stage but in recognition of developing a meaningful stage to accept the honor of the Harvard degree, as did many other universities with the awarding of degrees, 45 as I recall. john belt .............................................................. > --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > > am I correct, Bucky's family's summer get-away was this > > Deer Island > > in the St.Lawrance Seaway, or was it Dear Harbor?... >I know, Bucky was a *Hahvahd* man. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:37:10 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: that nice place to sail to MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, Quince jelly is just doin' his "agree & disarm" politics as he shills= =20 for Lyndon LaRouche (LL) Formula, (in this case) 1. Take the known and comment on it A. Often this is "finger to the= =20 wind - how much do they know" information that is reaching a critical mass o= f=20 general populace knowledge 1. Intercept it at the level o= f=20 special interests, i.e. left vs. right, and spin it different ways within=20 each sub group. After they agree that your an authority, sell 'em something else. Other examples of "agree & disarm" politicos. Noam Chomsky, the MIT Mil/Ind money taker, and paradoxically, though= =20 not coincidentally a darling of the left. Noam writes eloquently, forcefully, poetically, convincingly and 100= %=20 accurately about 90-95% of the excesses of this government. It's the balance of the 5-10% that identifies him as a spin doctor,=20 ultimately emasculating the left(if being against mindless warfare &=20 exploitation is solely left) by seizing it's momentum. i.e. http://www.alexc= onstantine.50megs.com=A0 (scroll down to 3rd article=20 for Noam) http:= //www.geocities.com/mdmorrissey/chomcorr.htm for more numbNoam Spin Dr. #2 Ariana Huffington http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/JonestownDead.html=20 Spin Dr. #3 Ramsey Clark (this is the 4th article in a series) http://em= perors-clothes.com/ramsey/ramsey4.htm=20 Spin Dr. # 4 George Soros (more articles on Soros are on this site) http://empero= rs-clothes.com/news/sorry.htm To name a few. The immaculate researcher Mae Brussell had this to sa= y=20 about LL : =20 "Lyndon LaRouche never writes about Ronald Reagan, Robert Maheu,=20 Howard Hughes, Paul Laxault, the Summa Company, the Hughes Medical Institute= in=20 Florida, or others who are the opposite side of the Rockefeller coin. There=20= is a=20 battle going on between the warfare industries and war machine and the Easte= rn=20 Wall Street gang. The NCLC knows the names of some of the players. They=20 conspicuously omit others. Chase Manhattan Bank is named in Solidarity. Bank= of=20 America is never fingered. My opinion on the money question could fill your=20 entire issue. Profits are obtained by monopolizing what we need; oil, coal,=20= water,=20 transportation, minerals, gas, food, health, homes, entertainment, and=20 communications (phones).Profits are made from what we don't need; drugs, che= micals,=20 tobacco, narcotics, gambling, prostitution, kidnaping, bank robberies, white= =20 collar crimes, hijacking, weapons, over costs, guns, warfare machinery." Excerpted from the link of the 1978 Albionics interview with the late Mae= : http://newsmak= ingnews.com/mbinterviewalbionic.htm =20 Yo Q-ball, would'st tho' be so kind as to post once again LL's Q&A repl= y=20 to a query about his stance regarding the continued maintenance of the=20 societally destabilising prohibition? In a reader's feedback section of his publication was the format you ha= d=20 linked in before.=20 I intended to dissect it the last time you posted it, but got tied up=20 in other things (she wouldn't untie me until today ;-) ). Arch Q nemesis El Marko =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:46:40 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Identities Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could someone identify the following people in the pictures from SNEC = Workshop 2: Belt, Clinton, D'Amico, Fearnley, Fischbeck, Gray, O'Toole, Rowland, = Wolfram. Ref: http://www.looknfeel.com/SNEC200306/ Thanks, -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:58:41 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: Identities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain That looked like a wonderful experience. It would be good to have a caption with each picture. I look forward to the SNEC Road show ;-) Or even just a video.... -----Original Message----- From: Joe S Moore [mailto:joe_s_moore@HOTMAIL.COM] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:47 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Identities Could someone identify the following people in the pictures from SNEC Workshop 2: Belt, Clinton, D'Amico, Fearnley, Fischbeck, Gray, O'Toole, Rowland, Wolfram. Ref: http://www.looknfeel.com/SNEC200306/ Thanks, -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:59:31 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Identities In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rowley took the pictures. I don't think he is in one. Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Could someone identify the following people in the > pictures from SNEC Workshop 2: > > Belt, Clinton, D'Amico, Fearnley, Fischbeck, Gray, > O'Toole, Rowland, Wolfram. > > Ref: http://www.looknfeel.com/SNEC200306/ > > Thanks, > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:56:55 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Belt Subject: Re: Identities In-Reply-To: <20030724225931.81874.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII J.Michael Rowland took the photos. He is in the dome group shots with people on ground outside the dome and standing on the dome. 'JMR' is sitting ground inside the dome after a dash from his camera and tripod. I hope to have other photos up in August after I obtain photos from others. Will make an effort to get names to JMR within a few days for his photos. john belt, Oswego State University. .............................................................. On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Dick Fischbeck wrote: > Rowley took the pictures. I don't think he is in one. > > Dick > > > > Belt, Clinton, D'Amico, Fearnley, Fischbeck, Gray, > > O'Toole, Rowland, Wolfram. > > > > Ref: http://www.looknfeel.com/SNEC200306/ > > > > Thanks, > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://buckminster.info > > ------------------------------------------- > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:42:34 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: that nice place to sail to Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed how dare you jelly my quince, monsieur Steahly? sorry, I got the name of the island wrong on 3 of the letters, as well as the country. anyway, Mae Brussel was full of it, as far as folks like Sen. Laxalt go. are you always content to take others words for Lynski, "from the Left?..." have you seen some of the mainstream press follow EIR's/NewFed's expose of the "Leo-cons," which has the two main branches of "neo-lib" and "neo-con?" the same cabal that was after Lyn, were turned against Clinton (actually, the office of the Prez, not the Prez per se); if you like, I can look it up for you on American Almanac (see sig .-) --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 04:58:20 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Identities In-Reply-To: <2F175DC588EFD211B37C0060088FAC39603634@pscserver3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Clinton-11460 Belt-11440 D'Amico-top right-13681 Fearnley-right-13040 Fischbeck-12870 Wolfram-12880 O'Toole-10960 Gray-? > Could someone identify the following people in the > pictures from SNEC > Workshop 2: > > Belt, Clinton, D'Amico, Fearnley, Fischbeck, Gray, > O'Toole, Rowland, > Wolfram. > > Ref: http://www.looknfeel.com/SNEC200306/ > > Thanks, > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:54:17 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Another Skew Three-fold Tensegrity Prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What part of the notation don't you understand? A lot of the notation I inherited from the Motro et al. article which I reference. I computed the member lengths and forces using the techniques I describe at: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/tenseg/book/cover.html I haven't played a lot with snipping this and that. You're welcome to. Certainly many tensegrities have tendons that can be left out and a valid tensegrity will still be possible. It might not look like much (for example, degenerate to flat) and will lose stiffness. My next step for this model was to make the virtual tendons real. I didn't try to assemble the model since the struts run into each other and I didn't want to deal with that. It's rendered using POV-Ray as the bottom figure in: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html Bob Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > must have missed, when you explained your notation, and > how you got the compressive & tensive (negative?) forces on those > elements > (1(c) etc.). > > http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk3prsm.html > > --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): > Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... > http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > . > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:33:33 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: models??? (fwd) Comments: To: John Belt In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yo John Yes and also the models on the first table at this link: http://www.looknfeel.com/SNEC200306/pages/11600.htm The pineapple is real! Dick --- John Belt wrote: > > hi dick, are all the models on this table yours? > thanks, john > > http://www.looknfeel.com/SNEC200306/pages/11620.htm > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:13:49 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: New Dome Manufacturer Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gnome Dome Emigrant, MT, USA http://www.gnomedome.com -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 05:33:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: cells Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting ponder. From a google group. How about the fine structure constant. Anyone used synergetics to look for it? "Jo" wrote in message news:3EF6063C.2050404@nospam.com... > Given that cellular automata and synergetics both appeared unto the > science scene as a result of the vacuum left from the limitation of > traditional mathematics in modeling the natural systems, has there been > much done in the merging of both theories in modeling of natural > systems? Any examples, links would be appreciated. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:15:16 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: models, your question Comments: To: John Belt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, Yes, my question has been answered. Thank you! All the changes to my website won't become visible until I upload them to my IP's hard drive in another month or so. Among other things I'm entering the names of everyone who has contributed to the BFI--money, volunteer time, etc. I also added about 11,000 Master Index cross-links. Plus more pics, etc. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Belt" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:05 PM Subject: models, your question > > Hi Joe, > > Are the models on this page those you wondered whose they > were? If so they are all Dick Fischbeck's. I wrote him > to double check. Both of the tables are his. > .............................................. > http://www.looknfeel.com/SNEC200306/pages/11600.htm > > The pineapple is real! > > Dick > > --- John Belt wrote: > > > > hi dick, are all the models on this table yours? > > thanks, john > > > > http://www.looknfeel.com/SNEC200306/pages/11620.htm > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 06:24:04 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: octet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Octet truss at 20 cent/ square(?) foot: http://squaredomes.tripod.com/fees.htm That sounds pretty cheap. Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:34:57 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Fwd: Re: floor truss MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is squaredome's reply to a request for info on the octet truss. Dick --- "Dr. Tom Moriarty" wrote: > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:00:57 +0530 > From: "Dr. Tom Moriarty" > Subject: Re: floor truss > To: dick_fischbeck@yahoo.com > > Hi Dick, > > Floor trusses are the simplest Square Dome designs. They > can be flat > trusses in which the top surface is plywood, or contoured > to include drains > if necessary. > > Contoured floors are much like square domes, but inverted > to capture water > etc. at central or edge locations. Like domes they > consist of triangular > panels supported by a 3D truss made of wooden tripods. > They can be custom > designed to carry light or heavy loads, depending on your > requirement. > Because they are high-performance structures they save > money by using less > material more efficiently. > > Three dimensional trusses have the inherent ability to > distribute > concentrated loads efficiently to all the supporting > points of the floor. > That means you can have large spans that are supported > only at the edges if > preferred. This contrasts with standard floors > consisting of beams that > spread the loads to their two end points only. In > addition, beams have > material at their center that has little structural > utility, but is just > dead wood going along for the ride. In Square Dome > designs the structural > elements are in tension or compression (rather than > bending, as in beams) > making the resulting structure lighter and stronger. > > Hopefully this gives you a better idea of why Square Dome > floors are better > for most applications. Due to their ease and familiarity > of construction, > only beam floors that span very short distances would be > considered better > than truss floors. > > Attached is an order form in which you can to specify > your requirements. > Please write again if you have more questions. > > > Dr. Tom Moriarty > President > Square Domes International > http://squaredomes.tripod.com > > Square Domes International - Order Form > > Please provide the following general information. > This information will not be shared with any third > party: > > 1. Your Name: > > 2. Organization: > > 3. Your Title: > > 4. Street Address: > > 5. City: > > 6. State or Province: > > 7. Country: > > 8. Zip or Pin Code: > > 9. E-mail Address: > > 10. Billing E-mail Address: > > 11. Telephone Number: > > 12. Preliminary or Full Design Desired: > > 13. Applicable Safety Factors (if available): > > 14. Maximum Onsite Snow Load (lb/sq. ft.): > > 15. Maximum Onsite Wind Velocity (mph): > > 16. Total Number of Structures You Will Build: > > 17. Location of the Structure (Street, City, > State/Prov, Country): > > 18. Intended Use of the Structure: > > 19. Dimensions and Locations of Entrances: > > > > > > (Note: According to Sthapatya Veda, entrances > facing due east or > due north bring best effects for the health, > success and > happiness of the inhabitants and owners. Other > entrances, especially > south facing, should be avoided. Recent > research at Dartmouth > University in USA indicates the significant > effects of direction on > human neural activity.) > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Special Requirements for Your Structure: > > Material Specifications > Type of material (type of wood or tubular > metal): > > (Remainder of material specs are not required > for USA > constructions, but should be supplied if > available) > > 1. Allowable tensile stress (psi): > > 2. Allowable compressive stress (psi): > > 3. Modulus of elasticity or Young's modulus E: > > 4. Standard available material dimensions (length, > width and height): > > 5. Special material considerations: > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you are building a dome please fill in the > following: > 1. Length (ft): > > 2. Width (ft): > > 3. Height of dome peak above outer dome edge (ft): > > 4. Height of wall on which dome rests (ft): > > 5. Type of wall (wood, masonry, etc.): > > 6. 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Amount of payment > 2. Date that payment was sent > > Thank you for your order. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Agreement > > The design provided by Square Domes International > (SDI) is to meet > your specific requirements. After placing an order > with SDI may construct as many square feet of > designed structural area as you have purchased from SDI. > Designs from SDI are to be used solely for the > purpose of building the structures you have > ordered and are not to be sold or shared in whole or in > part for any other purpose. > > Ensuring that the details of an SDI design meet > local codes is the > responsibility of the constructor. To facilitate > compliance SDI will > adhere to applicable codes that are supplied with > any order. If no > safety factor is specified, SDI will apply a safety > factor of at least > 2.0 to all structural elements in the design. > > Ordering a structural design from SDI constitutes > acceptance of this > agreement. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:25:31 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: The Newark Museum on Asianart.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ref: http://www.asianart.com/exhibitions/newark/10.html A Tibetan prayer wheel with a vector equilibrium/cuboctahedron at the end of it's chain. This was brought back from an expedition during the 20's and 30's so maybe Bucky had been through earlier on a lecture tour. I hadn't heard about any trips to Tibet though. Bob