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Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:32:21 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dev Britto Subject: Re: octet >Octet truss at 20 cent/ square(?) foot: > >http://squaredomes.tripod.com/fees.htm > >That sounds pretty cheap. > >Dick That's just the design fee, no? Materials would be considerably more.. Dev ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:55:13 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: octet In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dev Britto wrote: > >Octet truss at 20 cent/ square(?) foot: > > > >http://squaredomes.tripod.com/fees.htm > > > >That sounds pretty cheap. > > > >Dick > > > That's just the design fee, no? Materials would be > considerably more.. > > Dev Oops. Duh. I didn't know there was such a thing. How does that work? What's the cheapest metal octet truss? Maybe 10 bucks a triangular meter? Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:00:27 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: rotegrity Comments: To: mail@biagiodicarlo.com Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Biagio, I believe the Rotegrity domes were developed by Dick Fischbeck. See http://www.looknfeel.com/photoblog/thumbnails.php?album=3D1&page=3D15 -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mail@biagiodicarlo.com=20 To: Joe S Moore=20 Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 12:01 AM Subject: rotegrity Ciao Joe.=20 I have seen your very interesting snec photos. Maybe does exist the = plans for building the rotegrity? Biagio Di Carlo * biagio di carlo via berlino 2, villa raspa, spoltore. 65010 PESCARA, Italy. +085 411588 http://www.biagiodicarlo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:25:45 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: blair wolfram Subject: Re: rotegrity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe; Dick Boyt developed the rotegrity dome in 1970. Dick Fischbeck developed the randome. Blair Joe S Moore wrote: >Biagio, > >I believe the Rotegrity domes were developed by Dick Fischbeck. See >http://www.looknfeel.com/photoblog/thumbnails.php?album=1&page=15 > >-------------------------------------------- >Joe S Moore >joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >http://buckminster.info >------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mail@biagiodicarlo.com > To: Joe S Moore > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 12:01 AM > Subject: rotegrity > > Ciao Joe. > I have seen your very interesting snec photos. Maybe does exist the plans for building the rotegrity? > Biagio Di Carlo > * > > biagio di carlo > via berlino 2, villa raspa, spoltore. > 65010 PESCARA, Italy. +085 411588 > http://www.biagiodicarlo.com > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:45:00 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Oswego snec conference Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rowley adds comments to a hundred pictures: http://www.looknfeel.com/photoblog/thumbnails.php?album=lastcom&cat=-1 Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:42:13 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: rotegrity Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, I made a pencil & rubber band rigid tensegrity; see http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTensegRigid.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Fischbeck" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: rotegrity > Joe Moore > > You made a pencil and rubber ball tensegrity structure that > is a special case rotegrity, but I can't find the picture. > Help. > > Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:50:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: rotegrity In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joe Do you see the connection between this and the rotegrity? The struts or beams can rotate aroung an axis defined by the midpoint of the edge/strut/beam and the center of the structure. Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Dick, > > I made a pencil & rubber band rigid tensegrity; see > http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTensegRigid.htm > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:34 AM > Subject: rotegrity > > > > Joe Moore > > > > You made a pencil and rubber ball tensegrity structure > that > > is a special case rotegrity, but I can't find the > picture. > > Help. > > > > Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:54:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: rotegrity In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Also Joe, There is a left hand and a right hand version of every tensegrity and rotegrity rotegrity constructed along this geometry, aka., Goldberg polyhedra. Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Dick, > > I made a pencil & rubber band rigid tensegrity; see > http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTensegRigid.htm > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Wednesday, A ugust 06, 2003 11:34 AM > Subject: rotegrity > > > > Joe Moore > > > > You made a pencil and rubber ball tensegrity structure > that > > is a special case rotegrity, but I can't find the > picture. > > Help. > > > > Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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I also discovered that by sliding the struts from the center toward the ends, the structure morphed into other geometric shapes--jitterbug-style; see http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriWeave3wayDomePt2.htm. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Fischbeck" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: rotegrity > Joe > > Do you see the connection between this and the rotegrity? > > The struts or beams can rotate aroung an axis defined by > the midpoint of the edge/strut/beam and the center of the > structure. > > Dick > > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > Dick, > > > > I made a pencil & rubber band rigid tensegrity; see > > http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTensegRigid.htm > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://buckminster.info > > ------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:34 AM > > Subject: rotegrity > > > > > > > Joe Moore > > > > > > You made a pencil and rubber ball tensegrity structure > > that > > > is a special case rotegrity, but I can't find the > > picture. > > > Help. > > > > > > Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:07:12 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: rotegrity Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes--I forgot to mention that. Bucky called it turbining. Fig 770.11 in Synergetics (1) (Synergetics website is down) -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Fischbeck" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: Re: rotegrity > Also Joe, > > There is a left hand and a right hand version of every > tensegrity and rotegrity rotegrity constructed along this > geometry, aka., Goldberg polyhedra. > > Dick > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > Dick, > > > > I made a pencil & rubber band rigid tensegrity; see > > http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTensegRigid.htm > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://buckminster.info > > ------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, A > > ugust 06, 2003 11:34 AM > > Subject: rotegrity > > > > > > > Joe Moore > > > > > > You made a pencil and rubber ball tensegrity structure > > that > > > is a special case rotegrity, but I can't find the > > picture. > > > Help. > > > > > > Dick > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:07:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: rotegrity In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joe To me, the IVM is just underneath the icosahedron; they are really two versions of the same thing. In other word, the jitterbug transformation happens with any number of vertexes, not just 13. The 13 vertex transformation is just the simplist example of what is happening during energy transitions. Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Dick, > > Yes. I also discovered that by sliding the struts from > the center toward > the ends, the structure morphed into other geometric > shapes--jitterbug-style; see > http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriWeave3wayDomePt2.htm. > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: rotegrity > > > > Joe > > > > Do you see the connection between this and the > rotegrity? > > > > The struts or beams can rotate aroung an axis defined > by > > the midpoint of the edge/strut/beam and the center of > the > > structure. > > > > Dick > > > > > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > > Dick, > > > > > > I made a pencil & rubber band rigid tensegrity; see > > > > http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTensegRigid.htm > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > Joe S Moore > > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > > http://buckminster.info > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:34 AM > > > Subject: rotegrity > > > > > > > > > > Joe Moore > > > > > > > > You made a pencil and rubber ball tensegrity > structure > > > that > > > > is a special case rotegrity, but I can't find the > > > picture. > > > > Help. > > > > > > > > Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:12:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Questions Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have any info on these 2 pics? http://www.looknfeel.com/photoblog/displayimage.php?album=3D1&pos=3D127 http://www.looknfeel.com/photoblog/displayimage.php?album=3D1&pos=3D130 -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:13:51 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: rotegrity In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joe The IVM can only move in two directions; twist one way or the other. Like a fiber. In spinning fiber, there are only S and Z varieties. If we bug thread or cable, there are always 2 twists possible. The chirality we see everywhere comes from this fact. Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Yes--I forgot to mention that. Bucky called it > turbining. > Fig 770.11 in Synergetics (1) (Synergetics website is > down) > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: rotegrity > > > > Also Joe, > > > > There is a left hand and a right hand version of every > > tensegrity and rotegrity constructed along > this > > geometry, aka., Goldberg polyhedra. > > > > Dick > > > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > > Dick, > > > > > > I made a pencil & rubber band rigid tensegrity; see > > > > http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTensegRigid.htm > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > Joe S Moore > > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > > http://buckminster.info > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, A > > > > ugust 06, 2003 11:34 AM > > > Subject: rotegrity > > > > > > > > > > Joe Moore > > > > > > > > You made a pencil and rubber ball tensegrity > structure > > > that > > > > is a special case rotegrity, but I can't find the > > > picture. > > > > Help. > > > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design > software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:14:11 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: rotegrity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, Yes--I think that's correct. Gotta go---Lunch -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Fischbeck" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: Re: rotegrity > Joe > > To me, the IVM is just underneath the icosahedron; they are > really two versions of the same thing. > > In other word, the jitterbug transformation happens with > any number of vertexes, not just 13. The 13 vertex > transformation is just the simplist example of what is > happening during energy transitions. > > Dick > > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > Dick, > > > > Yes. I also discovered that by sliding the struts from > > the center toward > > the ends, the structure morphed into other geometric > > shapes--jitterbug-style; see > > http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriWeave3wayDomePt2.htm. > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://buckminster.info > > ------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:50 AM > > Subject: Re: rotegrity > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > Do you see the connection between this and the > > rotegrity? > > > > > > The struts or beams can rotate aroung an axis defined > > by > > > the midpoint of the edge/strut/beam and the center of > > the > > > structure. > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > > > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > > > Dick, > > > > > > > > I made a pencil & rubber band rigid tensegrity; see > > > > > > http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTensegRigid.htm > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > Joe S Moore > > > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > > > http://buckminster.info > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:34 AM > > > > Subject: rotegrity > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe Moore > > > > > > > > > > You made a pencil and rubber ball tensegrity > > structure > > > > that > > > > > is a special case rotegrity, but I can't find the > > > > picture. > > > > > Help. > > > > > > > > > > Dick > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:34:46 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The first one is in Joe Clinton's patent collection. Maybe the second one is, too. Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Does anyone have any info on these 2 pics? > > http://www.looknfeel.com/photoblog/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=127 > > http://www.looknfeel.com/photoblog/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=130 > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:12:06 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: blair wolfram Subject: Re: Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe the first photo is of Fleischman's patent # 5,505,025 from 4-9-1996. The second photo is of Ernest Aiken's patent # 5,996,288 from 12-12-1999. Blair Dick Fischbeck wrote: >The first one is in Joe Clinton's patent collection. Maybe >the second one is, too. > >Dick > >--- Joe S Moore wrote: > > >>Does anyone have any info on these 2 pics? >> >> >> >> >http://www.looknfeel.com/photoblog/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=127 > > >> >> >http://www.looknfeel.com/photoblog/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=130 > > >>-------------------------------------------- >>Joe S Moore >>joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >>http://buckminster.info >>------------------------------------------- >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:09:33 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Emailing: index Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting dome designs by Geometrica (Houston, TX) with non-circular = footprints: http://www.geometrica.com/Bulk_Storage/index.html -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:15:08 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: Emailing: index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Amazing. This is what it's all about. I love their lighting pattern (first picture). -----Original Message----- From: Joe S Moore [mailto:joe_s_moore@HOTMAIL.COM] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:10 AM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Emailing: index Interesting dome designs by Geometrica (Houston, TX) with non-circular footprints: http://www.geometrica.com/Bulk_Storage/index.html -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:03:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Emailing: index In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow! And see: http://www.geometrica.com/Bulk_Storage/Pile_shape/Irregular/Geodesic_dome_free.htm How do they do that? Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Interesting dome designs by Geometrica (Houston, TX) with > non-circular footprints: > > http://www.geometrica.com/Bulk_Storage/index.html > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:11:48 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Emailing: index In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For construction detail, see: http://coalstorage.com/ Inside clad. Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Interesting dome designs by Geometrica (Houston, TX) with > non-circular footprints: > > http://www.geometrica.com/Bulk_Storage/index.html > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:59:24 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed that's a unique method; and almost transparent (you can see the curvature taht's induced in the predominating "hub" members, which are just flat hexagona & pentagona, and it all seems to be held toegther just by friction -- I suspect with some glue thrown-on for rigidity .-) the second one seems useless, without further elaboration! thus quoth: http://www.looknfeel.com/photoblog/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=127 http://www.looknfeel.com/photoblog/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=130 --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:10:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Emailing: index Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed there was a basic intro under their buttons, "structure" and "construction," but here are a couple that were linked to what Dick (?) found. http://www.geometrica.com/geometry/module_bs.html http://www.geometrica.com/3/3_4/3_4_a/3_4_a2/3_4_a2.html --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:16:39 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed please. "Dick Fisshbeck" developed the "randome," patent-pending . has anyone bothered to dyscern the errors of Joe's "patent-pending in cooperation with NASA" thing? thus quoth: Dick Boyt developed the rotegrity dome in 1970. Dick Fischbeck developed --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK !?! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:22:13 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: rotegrity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops; gots to maintain the thread-head. if herr Doktor-professor Fischstick has a patent-pending, well, the PTO ain't perfect (and is beset with tons of "business process" patents etc.). the fact is that, even if "randomes" were a going concern, he has never been able to explain, how that is. the same goes with Joe's "NASA published this" alleged patterning. --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:16:51 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: blair wolfram MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit QQQ, what is your first language? Blair Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > please. "Dick Fisshbeck" developed the "randome," patent-pending > . > has anyone bothered to dyscern the errors of Joe's "patent-pending > in cooperation with NASA" thing? > > thus quoth: > Dick Boyt developed the rotegrity dome in 1970. Dick Fischbeck developed > > --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... > La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: > (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ > BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. > Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): > 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 > 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE > 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU > 25 -- THYROID STORK !?! > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:24:23 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: another kind of packing Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From Anton at sphere list. The article sounds interesting. Dick > From: Anton Sherwood > To: sphere@ogre.nu > Subject: [Sph] another kind of packing > > http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-07/uocs-edi072303.php > > Surprisingly, the symmetry of these configurations has > nothing > to do with chemical bonds or quantum mechanics. The > clusters, > it turns out, obey a very simple mathematical principle > first > explored in 1995 by mathematicians N.J.A. Sloane of AT&T > Research, John Conway of Princeton, and colleagues. > Sloane and > Conway derived the structures of sphere packings that > minimize > a quantity called the "second moment of the mass > distribution." > > -- > Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:00:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: Geo::Dymaxion mapping module for Perl Programmers, and some xplanet info Comments: cc: domesteading@sculptors.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, all! (Please note that this is going to two different lists. Please trim your reply headers so it doesn't try to post to a list you're not a member of...or, join both lists! :-) ) I just found this one, which is a Perl module extending the work that Robert Gray has done in converting coordinates from traditional format into plots on a Dymaxion map. If you're a Perl coder, and into mapping stuff, you might want to check it out: http://search.cpan.org/author/SDERLE/Geo-Dymaxion-0.11/ Here's a bit from the README file: NAME Geo::Dymaxion - Plot latitude/longitude on a Fuller Dymaxion(tm) map SYNOPSIS use Geo::Dymaxion; # Suppose we have a Fuller projection of the Earth's surface that's # 800 pixels wide and 600 pixels high. my $map = Geo::Dymaxion->new( 800, 600 ); # Find the x and y coordinates in pixels of Philadelphia, PA, USA. my ($x, $y) = $map->plot( 40, -75 ); # Do the same for Sebastopol, CA, USA. ($x, $y) = $map->plot( 38.3993, -122.8259 ); DESCRIPTION "Geo::Dymaxion" allows you to draw points on Dymaxion(tm) maps using latitude and longitude data, which turns out to be quite difficult and requires some tricky trigonometry. This module strives to hide away all the ugly math and allow you to concentrate on drawing your map. The Dymaxion(tm), or Fuller, projection was invented by R. Buckminster Fuller in 1954, and is "the only flat map of the entire surface of the Earth which reveals our planet as one island in one ocean, without any visually obvious distortion of the relative shapes and sizes of the land areas, and without splitting any continents." See http://www.bfi.org/map.htm for more details. [...] I found this as a link from the Virtual Terrain Project, at http://vterrain.org/index.html (which I found as a link from a NASA mapping page, which I found as a link from the Xplanet pages at http://www.wizabit.eclipse.co.uk/xplanet/ ) Virtual Terrain looks amazing, but I've only just discovered it, so I don't know what-all it can do, yet, other than Dymaxion projections and some other nifty stuff. :-) I've been getting really into some of the planetary mapping tools that are available, as a way toward an idea I've been working on for the past 6-7 years or so. I want to build an interface to the live global data from around the planet (using news stories, primarily, for real-time stuff, but also other data available online) and have it presented in a coherent format on your desktop. Much of this was inspired by the program "xearth", which gives a view of the planet and shows light and dark sides, etc. Apparently, others were also inspired by xearth, and have put in most of the features I wanted, including satellite maps, cloud layers, customizable marker files and colors, and even near-realtime data on things like earthquakes, storms, volcanoes, satellites, etc. (Links to xearth at: http://www.google.com/search?q=xearth ) In fact, the only thing missing seems to be that interface to the news. :-) Anyway, xplanet does some amazing things, and I think it will make a great platform for those interested in live planetary data, such as disasters, resources, etc. Worth checking out if you currently use XWindows, (and perhaps inspiration to look into it if you don't!) I'd love to see a point in the future where design scientists and Reality Sculptors all over use tools like this on their wallpaper to play a realtime version of the World Game using real resource maps and live data, and can plot out their plans for trying to make the world work. For a sample view of xplanet in action, there's a screenshot of my desktop from yesterday (Aug 8, 2003) available at: http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Gifs/xplanet-screenshot1.png The view updates every 5 minutes, and the data keeps changing, of course, but that gives you a taste of what it can do. Pat ___________________Think For Yourself____________________ Patrick G. Salsbury - http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ Fuel Cells: Electricity for home, car, or business. 0% emissions, 0% charge-time. - http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Fuel-Cells/ --------------------------------------------------------- Politicians are the root of most evil. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Don't know what GPG is? Check http://www.pgpi.org/ iD8DBQE/Ne2lHJeVqQarW2cRAg9ZAKDSlD1iQ1ETvIh0CGZi6w2bv56mOgCgmvdn GMQxMNopws+FsN6BZHMicc4= =Ht+t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:00:13 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Tensegrity Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI, a Google search for the word "tensegrity" now produces 1,650 hits! = My, how things are changing! -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:31:06 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Tensegrity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You filtered out references mentioning Carlos Castaneda I hope. He's an interesting guy, but on a different line of thought than what we think of as tensegrity I think. Bob Joe S Moore wrote: >FYI, a Google search for the word "tensegrity" now produces 1,650 hits! My, how things are changing! > >-------------------------------------------- >Joe S Moore >joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >http://buckminster.info >------------------------------------------- > > >. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:42:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: rotegrity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought IVM referred to a three-dimensional array of cuboctahedra alternating with octahedra. Aren't you talking about a single vector equilibrium (aka cuboctahedron or jitterbug) here? I can't find chirality in my dictionary. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >Joe > >The IVM can only move in two directions; twist one way or >the other. Like a fiber. In spinning fiber, there are only >S and Z varieties. If we bug thread or cable, there are >always 2 twists possible. > >The chirality we see everywhere comes from this fact. > >Dick > >--- Joe S Moore wrote: > > >>Yes--I forgot to mention that. Bucky called it >>turbining. >>Fig 770.11 in Synergetics (1) (Synergetics website is >>down) >> >>-------------------------------------------- >>Joe S Moore >>joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >>http://buckminster.info >>------------------------------------------- >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Dick Fischbeck" >>Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:54 AM >>Subject: Re: rotegrity >> >> >> >> >>>Also Joe, >>> >>>There is a left hand and a right hand version of every >>>tensegrity and rotegrity constructed along >>> >>> >>this >> >> >>>geometry, aka., Goldberg polyhedra. >>> >>>Dick >>> >>>--- Joe S Moore wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Dick, >>>> >>>>I made a pencil & rubber band rigid tensegrity; see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTensegRigid.htm >> >> >>>>-------------------------------------------- >>>>Joe S Moore >>>>joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >>>>http://buckminster.info >>>>------------------------------------------- >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Dick Fischbeck" >>>>Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Wednesday, A >>>> >>>> >>>ugust 06, 2003 11:34 AM >>> >>> >>>>Subject: rotegrity >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Joe Moore >>>>> >>>>>You made a pencil and rubber ball tensegrity >>>>> >>>>> >>structure >> >> >>>>that >>>> >>>> >>>>>is a special case rotegrity, but I can't find the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>picture. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Help. >>>>> >>>>>Dick >>>>> >>>>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design >>> >>> >>software >> >> >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:44:25 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Emailing: index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for these links. Quite something to see. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >For construction detail, see: > >http://coalstorage.com/ > >Inside clad. > >Dick > >--- Joe S Moore wrote: > > >>Interesting dome designs by Geometrica (Houston, TX) with >>non-circular footprints: >> >>http://www.geometrica.com/Bulk_Storage/index.html >> >>-------------------------------------------- >>Joe S Moore >>joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >>http://buckminster.info >>------------------------------------------- >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:56:59 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Tensegrity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're searching images! Just searching text gives about ten times as many. What was your count on images before? Bob Joe S Moore wrote: >FYI, a Google search for the word "tensegrity" now produces 1,650 hits! My, how things are changing! > >-------------------------------------------- >Joe S Moore >joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >http://buckminster.info >------------------------------------------- > > >. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:08:59 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Tensegrity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, You're right. A text search gives 15,200 hits. And no, I didn't filter out Carlos Castenada. I don't remember how many hits I got about a year ago. I guess I should have recorded it somewhere. A text-only search for Carlos Castenada gives 3,150 hits. Therefore 15,200-3,150 leaves 12,050 Bucky-related hits. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Burkhardt" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Tensegrity > You're searching images! Just searching text gives about ten times as > many. What was your count on images before? > > Bob > > Joe S Moore wrote: > > >FYI, a Google search for the word "tensegrity" now produces 1,650 hits! My, how things are changing! > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:21:11 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Global Electricity Transmission Lines Comments: To: "Meisen, Peter" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peter, FYI, Platts publishes annually a 3' x 5' World Energy Map that shows, = among other things, the Major Transmission Lines in the world. = Unfortunately, they charge $295.00! http://public.resdata.com/rdimaps/html/DetailTemp.asp?d=3D1&i=3D418 -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:25:41 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Tensegrity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the picture search, filtering out Castaneda doesn't affect things much -- a 20 hit difference. Bob Joe S Moore wrote: >Bob, > >You're right. A text search gives 15,200 hits. And no, I didn't filter out >Carlos Castenada. I don't remember how many hits I got about a year ago. I >guess I should have recorded it somewhere. > >A text-only search for Carlos Castenada gives 3,150 hits. Therefore >15,200-3,150 leaves 12,050 Bucky-related hits. >-------------------------------------------- >Joe S Moore >joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >http://buckminster.info >------------------------------------------- >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Burkhardt" >Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 7:56 AM >Subject: Re: Tensegrity > > > > >>You're searching images! Just searching text gives about ten times as >>many. What was your count on images before? >> >>Bob >> >>Joe S Moore wrote: >> >> >> >>>FYI, a Google search for the word "tensegrity" now produces 1,650 hits! >>> >>> >My, how things are changing! > > > >. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:37:16 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: ALOSS Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Ishikawa Lab at the Fukui University in Japan has compiled an Album = of Space Structures (ALOSS). Only some of the entries are octet trusses = and geodesic domes, but it's still interesting; see http://www.anc-d.fukui-u.ac.jp/~ishikawa/Aloss/data/space%20frame/Catalog= /catalog1.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:52:10 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: rotegrity In-Reply-To: <3F38FCF2.1010008@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob See: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Chiral.html --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > I thought IVM referred to a three-dimensional array of > cuboctahedra > alternating with octahedra. It does. > Aren't you talking about a > single vector > equilibrium (aka cuboctahedron or jitterbug) here? The IVM itself can torque/jitterbug. This is an assumption I am making. Can you see a reason it could not? Of course, edge length must vary during the proces for this to occur. Dick > I > can't find > chirality in my dictionary. > > Bob > > Dick Fischbeck wrote: > > >Joe > > > >The IVM can only move in two directions; twist one way > or > >the other. Like a fiber. In spinning fiber, there are > only > >S and Z varieties. If we bug thread or cable, there are > >always 2 twists possible. > > > >The chirality we see everywhere comes from this fact. > > > >Dick > >>Yes--I forgot to mention that. Bucky called it > >>turbining. > >>Fig 770.11 in Synergetics (1) (Synergetics website is > >>down) > >>>Also Joe, > >>>There is a left hand and a right hand version of every > >>>tensegrity and rotegrity constructed along > >>this > >>>geometry, aka., Goldberg polyhedra. > >>>Dick > >>>>Dick, > >>>>I made a pencil & rubber band rigid tensegrity; see > >>http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTensegRigid.htm > >>>>>Joe Moore > >>>>>You made a pencil and rubber ball tensegrity > >>structure > >>>>that > >>>>>is a special case rotegrity, but I can't find the > >>>>picture. > >>>>>Help. > >>>>>Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:14:04 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: rotegrity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed hot quite, because the cuboctahedron (dodecaXIasteron) is hollow, although you *can* place a vertex in the center and "connect the dots," which gives you the 2:1 packing of tetrah. and octah. but, yeah; it's the same pattern. thus quoth: >I thought IVM referred to a three-dimensional array of >cuboctahedra >alternating with octahedra. --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:09:03 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Aaron Lisberg Subject: Advisor Search MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, My name is Aaron Lisberg and I recently signed up to be part of the Listserv. I am currently in the process of applying for the Thomas J. Watson fellowship, a fellowship which allows graduating college seniors to travel around the world during the year following their graduation pursuing a passion. My passion is the work of Fuller and I have decided I would like to study significant geodesic domes throughout the world. I do not have much knowledge about domes, so I need an advisor, preferably with an advanced degree, to help me formulate my proposal. If you would be willing to help me with my proposal please email me at a_lisberg@hotmail.com or give me a call at 763-374-5936. The proposal is due September 15th so if you could get back to me ASAP that would be great. Thanks, Aaron Lisberg ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:03:45 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: rotegrity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks. Hadn't seen that one. Where's something chiral I can look at? I know about right and left-handed versions, but that's not chiral right? It goes beyond it? As far as IVM is concerned, I think we're on the same wavelength. Yes it can rotate like a vector equilibrium. Bucky used that behavior to model electromagnetic radiation I think. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >Bob > >See: > >http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Chiral.html > >--- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > > >>I thought IVM referred to a three-dimensional array of >>cuboctahedra >>alternating with octahedra. >> >> > >It does. > > > >>Aren't you talking about a >>single vector >>equilibrium (aka cuboctahedron or jitterbug) here? >> >> > >The IVM itself can torque/jitterbug. This is an assumption >I am making. Can you see a reason it could not? Of course, >edge length must vary during the proces for this to occur. > >Dick > > > > >>I >>can't find >>chirality in my dictionary. >> >>Bob >> >>Dick Fischbeck wrote: >> >> >> >>>Joe >>> >>>The IVM can only move in two directions; twist one way >>> >>> >>or >> >> >>>the other. Like a fiber. In spinning fiber, there are >>> >>> >>only >> >> >>>S and Z varieties. If we bug thread or cable, there are >>>always 2 twists possible. >>> >>>The chirality we see everywhere comes from this fact. >>> >>>Dick >>> >>> > > > >>>>Yes--I forgot to mention that. Bucky called it >>>>turbining. >>>>Fig 770.11 in Synergetics (1) (Synergetics website is >>>>down) >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>>Also Joe, >>>>>There is a left hand and a right hand version of every >>>>>tensegrity and rotegrity constructed along >>>>> >>>>> >>>>this >>>> >>>> >>>>>geometry, aka., Goldberg polyhedra. >>>>> >>>>> > > > >>>>>Dick >>>>> >>>>> > > > >>>>>>Dick, >>>>>>I made a pencil & rubber band rigid tensegrity; see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>http://buckminster.info/Ideas/02-TriDomeTensegRigid.htm >>>> >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>Joe Moore >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>You made a pencil and rubber ball tensegrity >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>structure >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>>>that >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>is a special case rotegrity, but I can't find the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>picture. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>Dick >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:25:43 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Tensegrity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Bob Burkhardt >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Tensegrity >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:25:41 -0400 I think it is the opposite, Castaneda's pointing to the term affected Fuller's audience: it increased it by one (me) by the way, sex (without city) in mozilloogle: 100,000,000 love : 60,000,000 Gerardo García México, D.F. >For the picture search, filtering out Castaneda doesn't affect things >much -- a 20 hit difference. > >Bob > >Joe S Moore wrote: > >>Bob, >> >>You're right. A text search gives 15,200 hits. And no, I didn't filter >>out >>Carlos Castenada. I don't remember how many hits I got about a year ago. >>I _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:41:54 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Tensegrity In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Gerardo Garcia wrote: > by the way, sex (without city) in mozilloogle: > 100,000,000 > > love : 60,000,000 > > Gerardo García > México, D.F. > Geraldo That's good, right? Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:45:35 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Tensegrity In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone know? Is there a list available or a method to find out what the top 100 words are. Dick --- Gerardo Garcia wrote: > >From: Bob Burkhardt > >Subject: Re: Tensegrity > >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:25:41 -0400 > > I think it is the opposite, Castaneda's pointing to the > term affected > Fuller's audience: it increased it by one (me) > > by the way, sex (without city) in mozilloogle: > 100,000,000 > > love : 60,000,000 > > Gerardo García > México, D.F. > > > > >For the picture search, filtering out Castaneda doesn't > affect things > >much -- a 20 hit difference. > > > >Bob > > > >Joe S Moore wrote: > > > >>Bob, > >> > >>You're right. A text search gives 15,200 hits. And > no, I didn't filter > >>out > >>Carlos Castenada. I don't remember how many hits I got > about a year ago. > >>I __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:56:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: rotegrity In-Reply-To: <3F395631.5080102@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > Thanks. Hadn't seen that one. Where's something chiral > I can look at? Pineapple, dna, sunflower, shells, antlers, almost everything, I think. > I know about right and left-handed versions, but that's > not chiral > right? It goes beyond it? No. That's all it is. > As far as IVM is concerned, I think we're on the same > wavelength. Yes > it can > rotate like a vector equilibrium. Bucky used that > behavior to model > electromagnetic > radiation I think. When a dish rag is rung out, it's chiral again, same this. There are 2 ways to go. Rope is S or Z. 2 ways to twist. Most molecules are chiral(pronounced ki'-ral) Every system has a neutral axis. That axis is twisted to get chiral. > >http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Chiral.html > >>I thought IVM referred to a three-dimensional array of > >>cuboctahedra > >>alternating with octahedra. Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:25:21 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Belt Subject: Re: Tensegrity In-Reply-To: <20030812224535.95271.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dick, I heard John Maeda of MIT give a talk and think he tracks this type of information. He gave some word facts in regard to his tracking of words. At the time, a couple of years ago, "information" was the most used word online. Check his site by going to: He has published also. john belt ........................................................................ On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Dick Fischbeck wrote: > Anyone know? > > Is there a list available or a method to find out what the > top 100 words are. > > Dick > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:34:32 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: blair wolfram Subject: Re: Advisor Search MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I advise you to stay in the U.S. if you truly are seeking examples of significant geodesic domes built by Fuller. You should start and spend a few weeks at Stanford, then visit all of Bucky's domes you can. Joe Moore's list is the easiest place to start. If you can figure out how, back-track to Drop City and then Pacific High School and the original Pacific Domes. Go through Carbondale, then zig zag through to East St. Louis, and after 50 or so domes, end up in Montreal or Disney World. Disney has at least 5 domes. You'll learn far more from an interview with one of the associates of Fuller that make their dome whereabouts known, than you will walking through any dome anywhere. The greatest number of these design scientists are in the U.S. Sure, Antarctica would be the greatest place to see, but admit you're not going there to look at the dome. The greatest concentration of Fuller's work is North America. Blair Aaron Lisberg wrote: >Hi, > >My name is Aaron Lisberg and I recently signed up to be part of the >Listserv. I am currently in the process of applying for the Thomas J. Watson >fellowship, a fellowship which allows graduating college seniors to travel >around the world during the year following their graduation pursuing a >passion. My passion is the work of Fuller and I have decided I would like to >study significant geodesic domes throughout the world. I do not have much >knowledge about domes, so I need an advisor, preferably with an advanced >degree, to help me formulate my proposal. If you would be willing to help me >with my proposal please email me at a_lisberg@hotmail.com or give me a call >at 763-374-5936. The proposal is due September 15th so if you could get back >to me ASAP that would be great. > >Thanks, >Aaron Lisberg > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:32:34 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Advisor Search MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aaron, In my website I have lists of domes by the name of a country and a USA state. see http://buckminster.info/Index/Dome-Dt.htm. Hope this helps. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Lisberg" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:09 PM Subject: Advisor Search > Hi, > > My name is Aaron Lisberg and I recently signed up to be part of the > Listserv. I am currently in the process of applying for the Thomas J. Watson > fellowship, a fellowship which allows graduating college seniors to travel > around the world during the year following their graduation pursuing a > passion. My passion is the work of Fuller and I have decided I would like to > study significant geodesic domes throughout the world. I do not have much > knowledge about domes, so I need an advisor, preferably with an advanced > degree, to help me formulate my proposal. If you would be willing to help me > with my proposal please email me at a_lisberg@hotmail.com or give me a call > at 763-374-5936. The proposal is due September 15th so if you could get back > to me ASAP that would be great. > > Thanks, > Aaron Lisberg > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:48:30 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: 4-Color Theorem Comments: To: Plus@maths.cam.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +Plus Editors, Regarding your review of the book _Four Colours Suffice_, http://plus.maths.org/issue25/reviews/book2/index.html, R Buckminster Fuller published his geometric proof of the 4-color = Theorem in 1975; please see: http://buckminster.info/Ideas/03-TetGeomTheorem4-ColorProof.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:22:34 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: kissing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Dick Fischbeck >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: kissing >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:09:40 -0700 Definitively Fuller had a copyright problem (and I am still waiting BFI puts 9 chains for free to download, at least the chapter on Einstein); according to the director of the play on Fuller (foghouse), Mr. Fuller had the copyright on balls, but I see Newton also had a rod to hit them. Gerardo García México, D.F. > >Fun page: > >http://plus.maths.org/issue23/features/kissing/ > >Dick > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:00:39 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: kissing In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gerardo I wonder if BFI would let me scan that chapter and put it online? Maybe I'll ask. Dick --- Gerardo Garcia wrote: > >From: Dick Fischbeck > >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster > Fuller's works > > > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: kissing > >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:09:40 -0700 > > Definitively Fuller had a copyright problem (and I am > still waiting BFI puts > 9 chains for free to download, at least the chapter on > Einstein); according > to the director of the play on Fuller (foghouse), Mr. > Fuller had the > copyright on balls, but I see Newton also had a rod to > hit them. > > Gerardo García > México, D.F. > > > > >Fun page: > > > >http://plus.maths.org/issue23/features/kissing/ > > > >Dick > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:18:24 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: all tets and only tets Comments: To: sphere sphere , synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: http://buckminster.info/Ideas/ 03-TetGeomTheorem4-ColorProof.htm "Polygonally all spherical surface systems are maximally reducible to omnitriangulation, there being no polygon of lesser edges." "And each of the surface triangles of spheres is the outer surface of a tetrahedron where the other three faces are always congruent with the interior faces of the 3 adjacent tetrahedra." RBF Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:28:55 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Advisor Search In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aaron See also: http://theses.mit.edu/Dienst/UI/2.0/Describe/ 0018.mit.theses/1999-159 Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Aaron, > > In my website I have lists of domes by the name of a > country and a USA > state. see > http://buckminster.info/Index/Dome-Dt.htm. Hope this > helps. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1904 08:20:37 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Frank SPENCER Subject: what the world needs now, 60,000,003 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Che gerado, If'n we could only git ole cusin ariel, an' cuszin abu, and ole uncle butch to sing along with deane warwick, maybe we could up the hits on love: The quincy familly and marco know what i mean gizzard El 12/8/03 22:25, "Gerardo Garcia" escribi=F3: >> From: Bob Burkhardt >> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >> >> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Tensegrity >> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:25:41 -0400 >=20 > I think it is the opposite, Castaneda's pointing to the term affected > Fuller's audience: it increased it by one (me) >=20 > by the way, sex (without city) in mozilloogle: 100,000,000 >=20 > love : 60,000,000 >=20 > Gerardo Garc=EDa > M=E9xico, D.F. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> For the picture search, filtering out Castaneda doesn't affect things >> much -- a 20 hit difference. >>=20 >> Bob >>=20 >> Joe S Moore wrote: >>=20 >>> Bob, >>>=20 >>> You're right. A text search gives 15,200 hits. And no, I didn't filte= r >>> out >>> Carlos Castenada. I don't remember how many hits I got about a year ag= o. >>> I >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:44:31 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Aaron Lisberg Subject: Response to Blair MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blair, Your plan sounds great but the only problem is that the Watson requires you to leave the U.S. for the entire year. They are very strict about this point and do not even let you come home if a family member becomes ill. So, if I can't study the domes in the US, where should I go? I have a $22,000 budget and really can go anywhere to carry out my project. You refer to associates of Fuller as a good resource for my project. Are there any such individuals outside of the US that I could contact and maybe spend some time with during my year abroad? Thanks for your help, Aaron ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:22:52 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Response to Blair MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aaron, In a private e-mail I had recommended a visit to Franklin Thomas of Canada, worthy of an extended stay due to his "Universal City" found at Astralstar.com. His forwarding of Bucky's Manhatten dome concept represents a major advancement of Bucky's work. You could follow this up with a visit to Vietnam to aid the folks @ http://www.nnn.se/vietnam/environ.htm in their efforts to rebuild the Vietnamese ecology. (Giant greenhouse usages cultivating soil for replacement of Agent Orange saturated areas and reprocessing/purifying of contaminated soils.) The possibility of building domes over or to replace their tropical cities so frequently assaulted with tropical deluges and oppressive heat may also bear fruit. There's a start. Hey Joe !!! How's about we invite Franklin to lead a discussion about his domes for a 2 week/1 month period? Egads! I saw my name and Q-b-doo-bee-do's used in the same sentence in another post. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:09:47 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Response to Blair In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aaron Lisberg wrote: > Blair, > > Your plan sounds great but the only problem is that the > Watson requires you > to leave the U.S. for the entire year. They are very > strict about this point > and do not even let you come home if a family member > becomes ill. > > So, if I can't study the domes in the US, where should I > go? I have a > $22,000 budget Does this budget include plane fare? Do a google search on geodesic and exclude US sites. You'll find tons of people, if not domes, around the planet. Dick and really can go anywhere to carry out my > project. You refer > to associates of Fuller as a good resource for my > project. Are there any > such individuals outside of the US that I could contact > and maybe spend some > time with during my year abroad? > > Thanks for your help, > Aaron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:14:13 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Aaron Lisberg Subject: Re: Response to Blair MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the budget includes air fare... Aaron ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:16:21 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: 4-Color Theorem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed this is a necessary but insufficient proof; that is, IF the map is a triangulated network, it may be true that one can thus 4-color the map. yes, you can subdivide any map into one that has countries of only 3 borders. of course, it's a great idea to spatialize the problem like that. now, a careful perusal of the noted book will show that it wasn't proven by these guys; I didn't read the whole thing, and there are other famous "proofs," like that, as well! thus quoth: http://plus.maths.org/issue25/reviews/book2/index.html, R Buckminster Fuller published his geometric proof of the 4-color Theorem in 1975; please see: http://buckminster.info/Ideas/03-TetGeomTheorem4-ColorProof.htm --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... 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Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:28:58 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: what the world needs now, 60,000,003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo Giz', Please refrain from using my name & Q-da-loo-da-loo's in the same line in the future. ;-) required Bucky-ite reading http://emperors-clothes.com/misc/burns.htm & http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/encircle.htm http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/stein.htm The recently added 14 part lecture series pitting 3 professors against Professor Francisco Gil-White on the above site in a debate over the Israel/Palestine situation is myth exploding and revealing. I recommend reading the somewhat lengthy almost as recent Israel-Palestine series first and then jumping into the 14 part series. A thought to carry entering into the study is the unusual agreement between "left" & "right" in both the press mainstream & alternative concerning Israel's supposed heavy handedness. An eye opener and head clearer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:10:50 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Response to Blair MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, Who is Franklin Thomas? I'm not familiar with his work. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stehly" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Response to Blair > Aaron, > > In a private e-mail I had recommended a visit to Franklin Thomas of > Canada, worthy of an extended stay due to his "Universal City" found at > Astralstar.com. > > His forwarding of Bucky's Manhatten dome concept represents a major > advancement of Bucky's work. > You could follow this up with a visit to Vietnam to aid the folks @ > http://www.nnn.se/vietnam/environ.htm in their efforts to rebuild the > Vietnamese ecology. > > (Giant greenhouse usages cultivating soil for replacement of Agent > Orange saturated areas and reprocessing/purifying of contaminated soils.) > The possibility of building domes over or to replace their tropical > cities so frequently assaulted with tropical deluges and oppressive heat may > also bear fruit. > > There's a start. > > Hey Joe !!! How's about we invite Franklin to lead a discussion > about his domes for a 2 week/1 month period? > > Egads! I saw my name and Q-b-doo-bee-do's used in the same sentence > in another post. > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:22:44 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: Response to Blair MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, Franklin Thomas lives in Canada and has advanced Bucky's Manhatten Dome concept, along with being the designer of advanced concept solar panels. His website is Astralstar.com and the domed city "Universal City". ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:08:39 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: blair wolfram Subject: Re: Response to Blair MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't this like spending a year studying the New York Yankees, but being forced to stay and research in Los Angeles? Outside the U.S. you might try and find Yasushi Kajikawa of Japan. After traveling three or four days to reach each foreign dome destination, and after standing with your mouth gaping open for about ten minutes while you look up, what more do you plan to do as far as dome research? Blair Aaron Lisberg wrote: >Blair, > >Your plan sounds great but the only problem is that the Watson requires you >to leave the U.S. for the entire year. They are very strict about this point >and do not even let you come home if a family member becomes ill. > >So, if I can't study the domes in the US, where should I go? I have a >$22,000 budget and really can go anywhere to carry out my project. You refer >to associates of Fuller as a good resource for my project. Are there any >such individuals outside of the US that I could contact and maybe spend some >time with during my year abroad? > >Thanks for your help, >Aaron > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:25:48 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Subject: Re: Response to Blair In-Reply-To: <3F3B6DB7.7070700@domeincorporated.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Aaron- You want to study Fuller? Well, there's Fuller and then there's Fuller. So many different manifestations of his legacy, and it might be hard to know what he'd think of all of them. As Blair points out, one could try to see as many geodesic domes as possible, but would this be very informative? Not to get too religious... but in the case of Christianity and perhaps other religions, there seems to be a difference between studying the teachings, and worshiping the teacher- not to mention endless squabbles over exactly what the teacher really meant. Anyone want to summarize Fuller's essential teaching? For me, its: there's plenty to go around, if we can extract ourselves from the illusion of shortage which results from the limitations of our technology. For example: the world is overpopulated. Bob Sanderson >Isn't this like spending a year studying the New York Yankees, but being >forced to stay and research in Los Angeles? > >Outside the U.S. you might try and find Yasushi Kajikawa of Japan. > >After traveling three or four days to reach each foreign dome >destination, and after standing with your mouth gaping open for about >ten minutes while you look up, what more do you plan to do as far as >dome research? > >Blair > > > > >Aaron Lisberg wrote: > >>Blair, >> >>Your plan sounds great but the only problem is that the Watson requires you >>to leave the U.S. for the entire year. They are very strict about this point >>and do not even let you come home if a family member becomes ill. >> >>So, if I can't study the domes in the US, where should I go? I have a >>$22,000 budget and really can go anywhere to carry out my project. You refer >>to associates of Fuller as a good resource for my project. Are there any >>such individuals outside of the US that I could contact and maybe spend some >>time with during my year abroad? >> >>Thanks for your help, >>Aaron ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:58:28 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Response to Blair In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aaron Start locating people around the world building geodesic shelters. There are many, many of them and it should not be hard to get their email addresses. Write a letter of introduction and send out a few hundred of them. I bet you will get tons of interest in your project. Many people will love to share what they have learned about Bucky, synergetics and domes. They may even let you set up your tent in the backyard and feed you breakfast! Dick > >>So, if I can't study the domes in the US, where should > I go? I have a > >>$22,000 budget and really can go anywhere to carry out > my project. You refer > >>to associates of Fuller as a good resource for my > project. Are there any > >>such individuals outside of the US that I could contact > and maybe spend some > >>time with during my year abroad? > >> > >>Thanks for your help, > >>Aaron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:07:32 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Response to Blair Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Dick Fischbeck >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Response to Blair >Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:09:47 -0700 seems that Watson has become more strict than Holmes, I would doubt they could give advice to young people, if they don´t allow to visit your ill relatives. Do they design tensegrity coffins for graduation day? just in case. Gerardo GArcía México, D.F. >--- Aaron Lisberg wrote: > > Blair, > > > > Your plan sounds great but the only problem is that the > > Watson requires you > > to leave the U.S. for the entire year. They are very _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:04:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: octet(was sqaredomes) Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve, Conservatek Industries has been using geodesic technology since 1977; see http://www.conservatek.com/companyoverview.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 7:38 AM Subject: re: octet(was sqaredomes) > From: Steve Miller > Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2040 18:56:39 -0400 > > Yes. Nice RENDERINGS. Nothing real. That is the problem > with internet crap. A lot of empty business sites with > handsome pictures that are images, nothing more. It is > important to know that triangulation and high tech > appearance does not guarantee a viable structure. Some > of these sites look impressive; but they are more a > portfolio of computer imaging skills than actual dome > making. If you engage one of these individuals you will > be their first client. > > The DomeHome List wrote: > > > From: "Ernie" > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:23:37 -0500 > > > > More on octet trusses nice renderings: > > http://www.conservatek.com/htm/spectraSET02.htm > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:29:53 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: octet(was sqaredomes) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll bet it was their work I saw as part of the wastewater treatment plant over in Lowell, MA, when I toured it in the early 80's. Bob Joe S Moore wrote: >Steve, > >Conservatek Industries has been using geodesic technology since 1977; see >http://www.conservatek.com/companyoverview.htm >-------------------------------------------- >Joe S Moore >joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >http://buckminster.info >------------------------------------------- >----- Original Message ----- >From: "The DomeHome List" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 7:38 AM >Subject: re: octet(was sqaredomes) > > > > >>From: Steve Miller >>Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2040 18:56:39 -0400 >> >>Yes. Nice RENDERINGS. Nothing real. That is the problem >>with internet crap. A lot of empty business sites with >>handsome pictures that are images, nothing more. It is >>important to know that triangulation and high tech >>appearance does not guarantee a viable structure. Some >>of these sites look impressive; but they are more a >>portfolio of computer imaging skills than actual dome >>making. If you engage one of these individuals you will >>be their first client. >> >>The DomeHome List wrote: >> >> >> >>>From: "Ernie" >>>Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:23:37 -0500 >>> >>>More on octet trusses nice renderings: >>>http://www.conservatek.com/htm/spectraSET02.htm >>> >>> >>> > >. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:01:34 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Fuller projection Comments: To: James MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit James, Thanks for pointing out the article; I hadn't seen it. Yes, it's a shame that they didn't use Bucky's map, but it is still good that an article was written about the global electricity distribution grid. It is already about 50% in place, and about 2/3 of the people in the world have electricity. We're making progress. See http://www.geni.org/energy/multimedia/slideshows/animated/a_solution.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "James" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 4:29 AM Subject: Fuller projection Joe, Did you notice this article doesn't use the Fuller projection map? It's the same map in the PDF download, and it leaves a lot to be desired. James ------ reference: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/start.html?pg=17 Issue 11.09 - September 2003 Power Up! Twenty years from now, the whole world will be sharing electricity through one grid. Some 30 years ago, Buckminster Fuller came up with a plan to plug all the world's continents into the same electrical grid. The idea was to let power flow between, say, Siberia and the northwestern US, or Norway and Laos. Energy companies dismissed the notion as pie in the sky - and then proceeded to build such a grid. To get the most use of their generation capacity and to maintain an emergency reserve, power companies found it efficient to connect their grids to their neighbor's, who then connected to their neighbor's. The result, according to Peter Meisen of the Global Energy Network Institute, is that the electricity grids of all the nations of North and South America should be interconnected within the next 10 years. The Eastern Hemisphere could follow a decade later, as companies like Eskom, the largest energy firm in South Africa, plow ahead with plans to install high-capacity transmission lines across Africa and into Europe. Once the grid is fully functional, the only excuse for power shortages will be greed. When demand is high in one region, it's almost certain to be low in another. By making electric power as easily transferrable as data, analysts expect a global grid to smooth the market spikes out of the world's most useful commodity. - Patrick Di Justo Copyright © 1993-2003 The Condé Nast Publications Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright © 1994-2003 Wired Digital, Inc. All rights reserved. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:30:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Fuller projection In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I forwarded a copy of this post to wired.com. I wonder if anyone will read it. Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > James, > > Thanks for pointing out the article; I hadn't seen it. > Yes, it's a shame > that they didn't use Bucky's map, but it is still good > that an article was > written about the global electricity distribution grid. > It is already about > 50% in place, and about 2/3 of the people in the world > have electricity. > We're making progress. See > http://www.geni.org/energy/multimedia/slideshows/animated/a_solution.htm > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James" > To: "Joe S Moore" > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 4:29 AM > Subject: Fuller projection > > > Joe, > > Did you notice this article doesn't use the Fuller > projection map? It's the > same map in the PDF download, and it leaves a lot to be > desired. > > James > ------ > reference: > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/start.html?pg=17 > > Issue 11.09 - September 2003 > > Power Up! > > Twenty years from now, the whole world will be sharing > electricity through > one grid. > > Some 30 years ago, Buckminster Fuller came up with a plan > to plug all the > world's continents into the same electrical grid. The > idea was to let power > flow between, say, Siberia and the northwestern US, or > Norway and Laos. > Energy companies dismissed the notion as pie in the sky - > and then proceeded > to build such a grid. To get the most use of their > generation capacity and > to maintain an emergency reserve, power companies found > it efficient to > connect their grids to their neighbor's, who then > connected to their > neighbor's. > > The result, according to Peter Meisen of the Global > Energy Network > Institute, is that the electricity grids of all the > nations of North and > South America should be interconnected within the next 10 > years. The Eastern > Hemisphere could follow a decade later, as companies like > Eskom, the largest > energy firm in South Africa, plow ahead with plans to > install high-capacity > transmission lines across Africa and into Europe. > > Once the grid is fully functional, the only excuse for > power shortages will > be greed. When demand is high in one region, it's almost > certain to be low > in another. By making electric power as easily > transferrable as data, > analysts expect a global grid to smooth the market spikes > out of the world's > most useful commodity. > > - Patrick Di Justo > > Copyright © 1993-2003 The Condé Nast Publications Inc. > All rights reserved. > Copyright © 1994-2003 Wired Digital, Inc. All rights reserved. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:22:23 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: rotegrity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reading the Aug. 9, 2003 issue of Science News, I find in the article "Layered Approach" a reference to "a property known as chirality" which the author of the article says is exemplified by "drug molecules that have the same chemical structure but are mirror images of each other". The Wolfram definition of "chiral" is "Having forms of different handedness which are not mirror-symmetric." which I find hard to reconcile with what I'm seeing in Science News or even figure out really. I tried looking in Coxeter's Introduction to Geometry and couldn't find "chiral" there. Anyway, my working idea is that it's things which occur in instances which are (perhaps approximately) mirror images of each other. This would include antlers, but not pineapples and shells or even DNA since I think none of these actually occur in mirror symmetric versions although maybe a genetic engineer could perhaps make that happen, or can you show me two instances of a shell of a species where one is approximately the mirror image of the other? Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >--- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > > >>Thanks. Hadn't seen that one. Where's something chiral >>I can look at? >> >> > >Pineapple, dna, sunflower, shells, antlers, almost >everything, I think. > > > > >>I know about right and left-handed versions, but that's >>not chiral >>right? It goes beyond it? >> >> > >No. That's all it is. > > > >>As far as IVM is concerned, I think we're on the same >>wavelength. Yes >>it can >>rotate like a vector equilibrium. Bucky used that >>behavior to model >>electromagnetic >>radiation I think. >> >> > >When a dish rag is rung out, it's chiral again, same this. >There are 2 ways to go. Rope is S or Z. 2 ways to twist. >Most molecules are chiral(pronounced ki'-ral) > >Every system has a neutral axis. That axis is twisted to >get chiral. > > > >>>http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Chiral.html >>> >>> > > > >>>>I thought IVM referred to a three-dimensional array of >>>>cuboctahedra >>>>alternating with octahedra. >>>> >>>> > >Dick > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:35:24 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Rottegriddy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed neologism rotten + grid + griddy Gerardo García México, D.F. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:49:23 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: 4-Color Theorem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed for the "necessary" condition, you'd also have to prove that one can always stick the one-layer depth of tetrahedra together, with always different colors a-facing, although it seems very plausible by the illustration. the cited book, as I recall, supplies a lot of the required graphtheory. thus saith: you can subdivide any map into one that has REGIONS of only 3 borders. of course, thus quoth: http://plus.maths.org/issue25/reviews/book2/index.html, R Buckminster Fuller published his geometric proof of the 4-color Theorem in 1975; please see: http://buckminster.info/Ideas/03-TetGeomTheorem4-ColorProof.htm --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:55:30 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: 4-Color Theorem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed OOPS. I just noticed that the tetrahedron in front must have its green facet facing the green one in the center, so that the tetrahedra are "bonded" by the *same* colors. that may not make any difference to finishing the proof, but I'd never been able to configure it from the drawing, before; that's quite an exemplary illustration! http://buckminster.info/Ideas/03-TetGeomTheorem4-ColorProof.htm --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK !?! _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:32:48 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Dodeca Sundial Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting application: A dodecahedron sundial at Trinity College, = Hartford, CT. http://sundials.org/conference/1999/confpix/trin3.jpg -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 06:59:59 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: postage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/14/national/main568318.shtml "A stamp reproducing a famous 1964 Time magazine cover will honor designer R. Buckminster Fuller, while a set of five note the contributions of Japanese-American sculptor and designer Isamu Noguchi. Interestingly, a car designed by Fuller and Noguchi together appears on the Fuller stamp, while Fuller's daughter danced for Balanchine." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:18:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: octet(was sqaredomes) Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve, See http://buckminster.info/Index/Octet.htm It's not specifically a list of octet truss manufacturers, but it might help. As my next project maybe I should compile a list? -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:16 PM Subject: re: octet(was sqaredomes) > From: Steve Miller > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:51:48 -0400 > > Is anyone producing a true loadbearing octet truss > that is used for floors? I have seen decorative metal > trusses in malls, but am not aware of an industrially > produced utilitarian octet truss. It would only cost > a few thousand dollars to produce on a small scale. > > The DomeHome List wrote: > > > From: "Joe S Moore" > > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:04:36 -0700 > > > > Steve, > > > > Conservatek Industries has been using geodesic technology > > since 1977; see > > http://www.conservatek.com/companyoverview.htm > > -------------------------------------------- > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://buckminster.info > > ------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >>From: Steve Miller > >>Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2040 18:56:39 -0400 > >> > >>Yes. Nice RENDERINGS. Nothing real. That is the problem > >>with internet crap. A lot of empty business sites with > >>handsome pictures that are images, nothing more. It is > >>important to know that triangulation and high tech > >>appearance does not guarantee a viable structure. Some > >>of these sites look impressive; but they are more a > >>portfolio of computer imaging skills than actual dome > >>making. If you engage one of these individuals you will > >>be their first client. > >> > >>The DomeHome List wrote: > >> > >> > >>>From: "Ernie" > >>>Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:23:37 -0500 > >>> > >>>More on octet trusses nice renderings: > >>>http://www.conservatek.com/htm/spectraSET02.htm > > > -- > Formactive: > http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ > > > > .:'':. > .::::::::. The DomeHome Email List . http://www.domegroup.org > > > ** subscribe/unsubscribe to this list (under DOG LISTS) at > http://www.hoflin.com > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:43:15 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Clinton Patent Collection Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if Joe Clinton has any plans to make his patent = collection available on a website? That sure would make a nice = reference resource. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:43:22 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: P Meisen Subject: Global Energy Grid feature in Wired Magazine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Blackout of 2003 showed how interconnected our society has become. The power grid is the largest, integrated system in the world today. And as we have seen, it operates under some very tight tolerances. This grid network works 99.8% of the time -- and gets attention only when it fails. As Bucky said, we often emerge from emergency -- and the US energy grid will probably get upgraded due to the blackout of 2003. Now, we need to extend the electricity services that we all enjoy to the 2 billion people on the planet who have none! And we need to hasten the transition to renewable energy resources in the process if we hope to reverse the CO2 buildup in the atmosphere. GENI is proud to share with you the article in this month's WIRED magazine on Bucky's energy grid. Please share this with all your personal lists. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/start.html?pg=17 Peter Meisen President -- The Global Energy Network Institute focuses on the interconnection of electric power networks between nations and continents, with an emphasis on tapping abundant renewable energy resources. This strategy is the highest priority of the World Game simulation developed by Dr. Buckminster Fuller three decades ago. TEL: 619-595-0139 peter@geni.org http://www.geni.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:23:09 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: ico-sphere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know anything about Thomas or the ico-sphere? A web search turned up nothing. From: http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=85113&command=displayContent&sourceNode=85112&contentPK=6706354 REVOLUTIONARY DOME HOME IDEA 13:16 - 14 August 2003 "A homeless man from Penzance is meeting with Penwith Council and Penwith Housing Association today to put forward revolutionary building ideas he believes could solve the housing crisis. John Thomas will be giving a presentation on 'Ico-Sphere housing' - geodesic dome homes, which he believes will be eco-friendly, cheap to build, and climate change resistant. John told The Cornishman that the design was inspired by the 'Golden Section' and the 'Spiral of Archemedes' - which were used by the great Greek architects who designed the Parthenon in Athens. The principle has been adapted to form a 20 sided Icosahedron - an incredibly strong structure that is found in nature. Each of these 20 sides is triangular - and John has designed a super strong 'space frame' that could be mass produced and sent flat packed to building sites. These would then be erected and filled with concrete to form the shell of a Ico-Sphere dome home. An Ico-Sphere with a diameter of 50ft could create a three story dwelling. John would like to see this space used for multiple occupancy - and believes it could easily accommodate six or seven one bedroomed apartments. "I would envisage a community of these being built," said John. "I am delighted that senior housing and planning officials will be in attendance at the meeting to hear a short exposition of innumerable benefits of low cost, first-class, affordable, rapid build, extremely strong, high longevity, highly adaptable and comfortable Ico-Sphere Housing. I'd like to thank Penwith's head of housing, Allan Hampshire, for helping to convene this meeting". At today's meeting John and builder Ken Colvin will be calling on Penwith Housing Association and Penwith Council to help them build a prototype shell, so he and designers can work how best to use the space inside." Thanks Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:02:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: ico-sphere Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, Nope. No record in my files of a John Thomas or an Ico-Sphere. Sounds like a good idea, though. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Fischbeck" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:23 AM Subject: ico-sphere > Does anyone know anything about Thomas or the ico-sphere? A > web search turned up nothing. > > From: > > http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=85113&command=displayContent&sourceNode=85112&contentPK=6706354 > > REVOLUTIONARY DOME HOME IDEA > > 13:16 - 14 August 2003 > > "A homeless man from Penzance is meeting with Penwith > Council and Penwith Housing Association today to put > forward revolutionary building ideas he believes could > solve the housing crisis. John Thomas will be giving a > presentation on 'Ico-Sphere housing' - geodesic dome homes, > which he believes will be eco-friendly, cheap to build, and > climate change resistant. > John told The Cornishman that the design was inspired by > the 'Golden Section' and the 'Spiral of Archemedes' - which > were used by the great Greek architects who designed the > Parthenon in Athens. > The principle has been adapted to form a 20 sided > Icosahedron - an incredibly strong structure that is found > in nature. Each of these 20 sides is triangular - and John > has designed a super strong 'space frame' that could be > mass produced and sent flat packed to building sites. These > would then be erected and filled with concrete to form the > shell of a Ico-Sphere dome home. > An Ico-Sphere with a diameter of 50ft could create a three > story dwelling. John would like to see this space used for > multiple occupancy - and believes it could easily > accommodate six or seven one bedroomed apartments. "I would > envisage a community of these being built," said John. > "I am delighted that senior housing and planning officials > will be in attendance at the meeting to hear a short > exposition of innumerable benefits of low cost, > first-class, affordable, rapid build, extremely strong, > high longevity, highly adaptable and comfortable Ico-Sphere > Housing. I'd like to thank Penwith's head of housing, Allan > Hampshire, for helping to convene this meeting". > At today's meeting John and builder Ken Colvin will be > calling on Penwith Housing Association and Penwith Council > to help them build a prototype shell, so he and designers > can work how best to use the space inside." > > Thanks > Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:12:13 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Adrian Rossiter Subject: Re: ico-sphere In-Reply-To: <20030819142309.5867.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Dick On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Dick Fischbeck wrote: > Does anyone know anything about Thomas or the ico-sphere? ... > "A homeless man from Penzance is meeting with Penwith Not really related, but Penzance is only around 50 miles away from the Eden Project domes - http://www.edenproject.com/ Adrian. -- Adrian Rossiter Email: adrian_r@teleline.es Web Site: http://www.terra.es/personal/adrian_r ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:15:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerardo Garcia Subject: Re: Global Energy Grid feature in Wired Magazine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: P Meisen >Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Global Energy Grid feature in Wired Magazine >Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:43:22 -0700 thanks for the article. it allowed me to rethink the roots of the neologism ROTTENGRIDY it comes from rotten = rotatory tensegrity grid = get rid greedy = green + edy together it means: green edy got rid of the rotatory tensegrity Gerardo García México, D.F. > >GENI is proud to share with you the article in this month's WIRED >magazine on Bucky's energy grid. >Please share this with all your personal lists. > >http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/start.html?pg=17 > >Peter Meisen >President > >-- >The Global Energy Network Institute focuses on the interconnection of >electric power networks between nations and continents, with an emphasis on >tapping abundant renewable energy resources. This strategy is the highest >priority of the World Game simulation developed by Dr. Buckminster Fuller >three decades ago. >TEL: 619-595-0139 peter@geni.org http://www.geni.org _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:59:42 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Global Energy Grid feature in Wired Magazine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I was dysappointed that the stamp wasn't a fold-up tetrahedron, as Bucky'd have *said* that he wouldn't want Guinea Pig #B on it. anyway, the blackout is just "the phony CA crisis d'e," Phase 2, although it may not specifically have been on purpose (as far as I've read, it's not). I live here, where it's being used to try to mount a phony, slack-plurality/strong-man governorship, in concert with a) the Administration's "caveat emptor" energy policy (as memorialized with an Oscar for "The Invisible John," the make-over for the math inside of the Kyoto Protocol -- see my old sig), and b) the 'WAND' Corp.'s self-same nonpolicy "Bandaid (tm)" (see the Fall 2000 *Review*, on their website). here's a reference to counter your Global Business Network cronies, as well as the EU's "hydrogen econ" crappola, with Rifkin as a paid mouthpiece: http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3032blackout.html The contrary sort of political behavior, is the populist politician who says to his constituent: "I am small-minded, like you. I know that you are concerned with the immediate interests, here and now, of yourself, your family, and your community. I stick to those issues in the small." Arnie the actor is playing the part of that all-too-typical, small-minded politician, a typical small-minded, right-wing populist charlatan, like the wild-eyed exterminator from Houston, Texas' Tom DeLay, or former Senator Phil Gramm's wife, Wendy, of Enron notoriety. The Gramms, both of whom played a key role in bringing Enron to California, were among the worst of the small-minded political types which Arnie is mimicking in his own style today. --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK !?! _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:04:04 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: rotegrity In-Reply-To: <3F3EBCAF.5050001@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > Reading the Aug. 9, 2003 issue of Science News, I find in > the article > "Layered Approach" > a reference to "a property known as chirality" which the > author of the > article says is exemplified > by "drug molecules that have the same chemical structure > but are mirror > images of each other". > The Wolfram definition of "chiral" is "Having forms of > different > handedness which are not mirror-symmetric." which I find > hard to > reconcile with what I'm seeing in Science News or > even figure out really. Bob I can't see why they wouldn't be mirror images. Maybe it is an error. I'll check some additional sources and get back to you. Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:10:26 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: ico-sphere Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed gotta read your own serfings, Dick. it plainly said, "to build a prototype" or some thing. as for the definition of chiral, how many hands was the Wolframite using? without having looked the word "up," maybe it's just to diffenetiate from the prototypical handedness of spirals (pre vertical mirrors .-) --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:58:47 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Global Distribution Grid Comments: To: "Meisen, Peter" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peter, Thanks for pointing out the recent Wired magazine article. =20 In your comments you pointed out that the grid could connect the = dispersed sources of renewable energy. =20 Bucky also envisioned that the grid would connect=20 "a world-around system of high altitude lakes or hilltop reservoirs=20 (that are pumpingly filled by all non-demand hour natural energy = income)". =20 Please see Ekistics (mag), May 1978, page 170 (last right-hand = paragraph). PS: Here's a nice article on wind energy from yeaterday's MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.com/news/954571.asp?0cv=3DCB20 -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:44:49 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Kepler's Conjecture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.georgeszpiro.com/index.asp?page=kepler/ chapter10.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:03:08 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: press inquiry from new zealand Comments: To: "David Killick (CPL)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, I presume you are talking about Fuller's 1944 house ( aka Wichita House); he designed one in 1928, but it was never built. I don't have any pics of the resolution you need as I try to have all my web pages load within 30 seconds assuming a 56k connection. However the Henry Ford Museum where the house is now on public display may be able to help you; see http://www.hfmgv.org/dymaxion/contents.html Also, here's a list of references I have collected: http://buckminster.info/Index/Dymax-Dz.htm (scroll down to "Dwelling" and "House" Hope this helps, -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Killick (CPL)" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:20 PM Subject: press inquiry from new zealand > Hello Joe, > > Can you help? I am writing an artocle for our At Home section, The Press, > Christchurch, on futuristic houses, and would like to obtain a pic of the > Dymaxion Dwelling Machine. Do you have one? If so, it needs to be high-res, > (8MB, compressed to 500KB, JPEG). > > I need to know as soon as possible, so I'm crossing my fingers you can help. > > Regards, > > David Killick > (At Home editor) > The Press > Christchurch, > New Zealand > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:14:43 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: electromagnetic clamp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: http://www.magnetechcorp.com/AC_Plug-in_Electromagnets.htm "Do not use electromagnets over people." We are building an aluminum sheet metal randome, 4 meter diameter. Has anyone had experience electromagnetically clamping 2 sheets of aluminum together while fastening the sheets together, say installing rivets? Each sheet of metal is 0.019" thick. Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 04:25:24 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: syn coordinates Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii New(?) mathworld page: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SynergeticsCoordinates.html Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:43:59 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: syn coordinates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd hesitate about giving Bucky credit for triangular coordinate systems. Soil scientists have used them and I think others as well long before Bucky came on the scene. I'm not a scholar on this though, so maybe he did. They are very useful in dealing with geodesic coordinates etc. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >New(?) mathworld page: > >http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SynergeticsCoordinates.html > >Dick > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:04:11 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: foam Comments: To: sphere sphere , synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This looks like random sphere packing where the spheres can vary in diameter. Left and right handed space, aka positve and negative space, are almost obvious in this picture: http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/vostok_pix/foam.jpg from: http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast05mar98_3.htm Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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