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Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:43:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: foam Comments: To: sphere , synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here is a model of foam built out of paper: http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=164 Is this obvious? Are there pictures of foam models around on the web? Anyone know? Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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See http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s10/p2000.html#1025.10 -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Fischbeck" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: Re: foam > Here is a model of foam built out of paper: > > http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=164 > > Is this obvious? Are there pictures of foam models around > on the web? Anyone know? > > Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 06:46:42 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: foam In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joe Isn't this the same as the polyhedron in Kelvin's minimum area conjecture? Notice the hexagons are curved slightly. The blades of the vertex elements I am using seem to need an occastional slight twist to join them together, too. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/KelvinsConjecture.html There should 14 sides for each cell, or an average of 14 sides per cell. I'll do some counting and report back. But there is also the WEAIRE-PHELAN foam, which I don't get yet. It might have 14 sided polyhedra and 12 sided polyhedra in equal numbers. See page 4 to view the 3-winged-hinge vertex elements I also used at: http://torus.math.uiuc.edu/jms/Papers/foams/forma.pdf Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Dick, > > I believe bubbles (cells, etc) can be modeled as > close-packed > all-space-filling truncated tetrahedra. See > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s10/p2000.html#1025.10 > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: foam > > > > Here is a model of foam built out of paper: > > > > > http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=164 > > > > Is this obvious? Are there pictures of foam models > around > > on the web? Anyone know? > > > > Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:58:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: oswego to vilnius Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii September 12th, the week after next, Oscar Tuazon, new york artist, is including jmr's june 2003 snec Oswego, new york conference photos in a show in Vilnius, Lithuania! http://www.cac.lt/en.php/exhibitions/future/_247_wilno__nueva_york_visa_para/_247_wilno__nueva_york_visa_para/892 dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:31:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: foam Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aluminum foam close-up: http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=167 Random sphere-cluster dual? The spheres are different sizes and are squeezed into polyhedra. In Darcy Thompson's book he writes about squeezing lead shot with high pressure. He is left with mostly 14 sided, 24 vertex, 36 edged polyhedron, like the truncated octahedron. I'll check and find the passage. Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:29:17 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: foam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed how do we know that you made those -- hom many summercamp-kidhours went into that little model? I had to read into it, but Bucky's description is the same as the tetrakaidecahedron (or tetra-kai-icosaLAMBDAasteron; I just realized the letter for that, if not GAMMA), a.k.a. the truncated octahedron (chop the vertices off, but not so that adjacent cuts join), which is Kelvin's without the curvature, with the truncation of the (remaining) tetrahedral edges. the WeairePhelan thing is pretty, although I don't think they actually proved taht it was the best; surprizing, if not. thus quoth: But there is also the WEAIRE-PHELAN foam, which I don't get yet. It might have 14 sided polyhedra and 12 sided polyhedra in equal numbers. See page 4 to view the 3-winged-hinge vertex elements I also used at: http://torus.math.uiuc.edu/jms/Papers/foams/forma.pdf --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:54:49 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: saraceno cloud No. 9 Comments: To: Tomas Saraceno Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tomas, See http://buckminster.info/Index/Clod-Compaq.htm (scroll down to = "Cloud") and http://buckminster.info/Ideas/08-IcosDomeCityCloud.htm and http://buckminster.info/Ideas/08-IcosDomeCityCloudDetail.htm Also, go to the bottom of my home page & search for the word cloud; you = should get about 18 hits. Please keep in mind that any dome large enough to act as a giant hot air = balloon would have to be constructed using double-layer geodesic = tensegrity technology. See http://buckminster.info/Ideas/04-OctaRegTensegTruss.htm and http://buckminster.info/Ideas/04-OctaIrregTensegTrussDouble.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tomas Saraceno=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: saraceno cloud No. 9 Hello =20 My name is Tomas Saraceno, I am an artist-architect from Argentina. At = the moment I am living in Berlin sharing some activities with Olafur = Eliassonn and Einar Thorsteinn who was giving me your e-mail. =20 I am really interested in the project "cloud No. 9" of Buckminister = Fuller and I would be really glad if you could tell me, where it is = possible to find more information about this project. If there is more = detailed information like drawings etc. If you could answer me, it will be really helpful, since I really = believe in that project and his vision. At the moment I am traying to = building a solar balloon with a diameter of 14.5 m with the idea to = presented at the "Utopia Station" in the actual Venice Biennale. If you = like could be a pleasure in the next e-mail send you some images. =20 Thank you very much for your time.=20 Best regards=20 Tomas Saraceno =20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:22:22 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: foam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, I'm not familiar with Kelvin's Minimum Area Conjecture. A truncated octahedron has 14 faces, true, but I was referring to a double truncated tetrahedron, where not only are the vertices cut off, but the edges are sliced off too, giving a total of 14 faces. See Synergetics I, sect 1025.14 -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Fischbeck" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:46 AM Subject: Re: foam > Joe > > Isn't this the same as the polyhedron in Kelvin's minimum > area conjecture? Notice the hexagons are curved slightly. > The blades of the vertex elements I am using seem to need > an occastional slight twist to join them together, too. > > http://mathworld.wolfram.com/KelvinsConjecture.html > > There should 14 sides for each cell, or an average of 14 > sides per cell. I'll do some counting and report back. > > But there is also the WEAIRE-PHELAN foam, which I don't get > yet. It might have 14 sided polyhedra and 12 sided > polyhedra in equal numbers. > > See page 4 to view the 3-winged-hinge vertex elements I > also used at: > > http://torus.math.uiuc.edu/jms/Papers/foams/forma.pdf > > Dick > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > Dick, > > > > I believe bubbles (cells, etc) can be modeled as > > close-packed > > all-space-filling truncated tetrahedra. See > > > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s10/p2000.html#1025.10 > > -------------------------------------------- > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://buckminster.info > > ------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:43 PM > > Subject: Re: foam > > > > > > > Here is a model of foam built out of paper: > > > > > > > > > http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=164 > > > > > > Is this obvious? Are there pictures of foam models > > around > > > on the web? Anyone know? > > > > > > Dick > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:35:29 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: fernando sierra Subject: Re: foam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have heard about the truncated octahedron as a filling space figure proposed for the shape of soap bubbles squized together, but theres also another candidate, the rombic dodecahedron (I have no images to post). this same figure appears in the interior of the honey combs, when two layers meet together. Fernando Sierra Joe S Moore wrote: > Dick, > > I'm not familiar with Kelvin's Minimum Area Conjecture. > > A truncated octahedron has 14 faces, true, but I was referring to a double > truncated tetrahedron, where not only are the vertices cut off, but the > edges are sliced off too, giving a total of 14 faces. See Synergetics I, > sect 1025.14 > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:46 AM > Subject: Re: foam > > > Joe > > > > Isn't this the same as the polyhedron in Kelvin's minimum > > area conjecture? Notice the hexagons are curved slightly. > > The blades of the vertex elements I am using seem to need > > an occastional slight twist to join them together, too. > > > > http://mathworld.wolfram.com/KelvinsConjecture.html > > > > There should 14 sides for each cell, or an average of 14 > > sides per cell. I'll do some counting and report back. > > > > But there is also the WEAIRE-PHELAN foam, which I don't get > > yet. It might have 14 sided polyhedra and 12 sided > > polyhedra in equal numbers. > > > > See page 4 to view the 3-winged-hinge vertex elements I > > also used at: > > > > http://torus.math.uiuc.edu/jms/Papers/foams/forma.pdf > > > > Dick > > > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > > Dick, > > > > > > I believe bubbles (cells, etc) can be modeled as > > > close-packed > > > all-space-filling truncated tetrahedra. See > > > > > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s10/p2000.html#1025.10 > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > Joe S Moore > > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > > http://buckminster.info > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:43 PM > > > Subject: Re: foam > > > > > > > > > > Here is a model of foam built out of paper: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=164 > > > > > > > > Is this obvious? Are there pictures of foam models > > > around > > > > on the web? Anyone know? > > > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:30:44 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: foam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed it's the same shape, the tetrakiadecahedron or trunc. octahedron, Joe; get your cheese tets out of the freezer! that is to say, six tetragona & eight hexagona meeting at 24 3-way vertices (all, identical, thus the "tetrakaiicosaGAMMAasteron.") it's true that the rhombical dodecahedron (tetrakiadecaXIasteron) *could* be bubbles, but they're not usually, unless you count honeycombs as such. --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK !?! _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:09:28 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Fuller Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable More details of the R Buckminster Fuller Archives have been posted on = Stanford University's library website = http://dynaweb.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead/stanford/mss/m1090/ Series 2: Dymaxion Chronofile ...Subseries 1: Volumes (346 pages) ...Subseries 2: Copies of Outgoing Correspondence (12 pages) ...Subseries 3: Hamilton Extracts (8 pages) ...Subseries 4: Gene Fowler Correspondence (2 pages) ...Subseries 5: Card Index (2 pages) Series 15: Slides (8 pages) -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:00:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: P Meisen Subject: Re: Fuller Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, Thank you for notifying us. This is a critical resource that will soon be available to all. And kudos to Stanford U. Peter Joe S Moore wrote: >More details of the R Buckminster Fuller Archives have been posted on Stanford University's library website http://dynaweb.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead/stanford/mss/m1090/ > >Series 2: Dymaxion Chronofile >...Subseries 1: Volumes (346 pages) >...Subseries 2: Copies of Outgoing Correspondence (12 pages) >...Subseries 3: Hamilton Extracts (8 pages) >...Subseries 4: Gene Fowler Correspondence (2 pages) >...Subseries 5: Card Index (2 pages) > >Series 15: Slides (8 pages) > >-------------------------------------------- >Joe S Moore >joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >http://buckminster.info >------------------------------------------- > -- The Global Energy Network Institute focuses on the interconnection of electric power networks between nations and continents, with an emphasis on tapping abundant renewable energy resources. This strategy is the highest priority of the World Game simulation developed by Dr. Buckminster Fuller three decades ago. TEL: 619-595-0139 peter@geni.org http://www.geni.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:30:54 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed of course, Tipler is rather goo-ga, himself; mea culpa? thus quoth: demeanor. He is following on the well defined wake of countless others before him not just in the field of mathematics, but in all fields of human learning. >How about this one: > >"[Teilhard de Chardin's book] cannot be read without a feeling of >suffocation, a gasping and flailing around for sense ... the greater >part of it is nonsense, tricked out by a variety of metaphysical >conceits, and its author can be excused of dishonesty only on the >grounds that before deceiving others he has taken great pains to deceive >himself." P.B. Medawar, "Critical Review of 'The Phenomenon of Man'", in >Mind 70(1961), 99-106, quoted in John D. Barrow and Frank J. Tipler, >"The Anthropic Cosmological Principle". --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! 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Second, is there anyone on the listserv that lives or knows = of someone who lives in a dome in Europe or South East Asia (Japan, = Thailand, Vietnam...)? If possible I would like to visit with some = people that live in domes along my travels. Thanks for your help, Aaron Lisberg a_lisberg@hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:41:29 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: nanocables MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is from the other geodesic site: jim nugent wrote: In the sixties Bucky envisioned connecting the North American and Asian energy grids across the Bering Straits so power could flow from the lighted hemisphere to the darker areas of our planet. The energy industry and electric transmission experts said it would never work. Now, Dr. Smalley of Rice University, has proposed that strings of identical nanotubes could be woven into long wires that would be more efficient conductors than copper, yet far lighter. To top it off, those efficient conductors are made with fullerene nanotubes, from the family of molecules named in honor of Bucky because they resembled his geodesic structures. New York Times - Monday, Sept 2. 2003 see paragraph 15 -- SCIENTIST AT WORK Small Thoughts for a Global Grid By BARNABY J. FEDER It is not as though Dr. Richard E. Smalley, a winner of the 1996 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his role in discovering a new form of carbon, needed another obsession when he began pondering the world's energy future a year and a half ago. Dr. Smalley, a 60-year-old Rice University professor, is the closest thing to a celebrity in the world of materials science. He was busy with research on carbon nanotubes, the astonishingly strong cylindrical molecules that researchers created as a follow-up to the work that earned him the Nobel. He was chairman of a company trying to commercialize the nanotubes. He had classes to teach and joint custody of a young son. Moreover, he was in constant demand as a speaker on nanotechnology, the rapidly growing field of research and business revolving around materials with dimensions measured in nanometers, or billionths of a meter. But as Dr. Smalley pursued the promise of the submicroscopic world, including its potential to create new materials for generating, transmitting and storing energy, he began to suspect he knew too little about the larger world he wanted to affect. So he set out to understand what the world's energy needs were likely to be in 2050 and the role of technology in addressing them. Initially pessimistic, Dr. Smalley has become increasingly hopeful about the effectiveness of conservation programs and the potential of new technologies based on hydrogen and renewable energy sources like wind and solar power. Now, as he speaks to researchers, students, businesses and government officials, Dr. Smalley tells them that success hinges not just on policy changes but on attracting more researchers to that field. "Without a major resurgence of U.S. citizens' entering the physical sciences and engineering, the solution to the energy challenge will be too slow in coming," Dr. Smalley said. "And when it does finally come, the core technology may very well be Asian." Although Dr. Smalley says he intends to focus more on his carbon nanotube research this fall, some energy experts who have seen him in action say any retreat to the lab will be a blow to the energy debate. "He's becoming too important a voice to put it down," said Matthew Simmons, a Houston investment banker who specializes in work for the oil industry. Dr. Smalley grew up in suburban Kansas City showing no inclination for serious study, or even regular school attendance, until he excelled in a high school chemistry course. He worked for four years as a research chemist for Shell Oil after graduating from the University of Michigan before obtaining a Ph.D. from Princeton for pioneering work developing high-speed laser systems to study the behavior of molecules. He moved to Rice in 1976. His challenge today is to stay at the leading edge of research on the novel carbon materials his laboratory discovered in 1985. The field he and his research colleagues pioneered has become one of the hottest in science because such carbon exhibits so many unusual electrical, thermal and optical properties, along with extraordinary strength. The original spherical molecules discovered in 1985, which he called buckyballs because they resembled the geodesic domes designed by Buckminster Fuller, led to the creation of a large family of carbon "fullerenes," including the cylindrical molecules known as carbon nanotubes. Researchers are using them to pursue, among other things, new forms of drug delivery, low-cost computer memories, superstrong construction materials and clothing and energy devices like solar cells or fuel cells. Besides teaching at Rice and running his laboratory, Dr. Smalley is chairman of Carbon Nanotechnologies, a privately held company he helped found three years ago. Dr. Smalley attends most Monday morning staff meetings, is deeply involved in filing and protecting patents and occasionally delivers talks to the research groups of potential customers like the International Business Machines Corporation, according to Dr. Robert Gower, Carbon Nanotechnologies' chief executive. "He's like a rock star in technology circles," Dr. Gower said. That would be plenty, especially for a man who rues his limited role in bringing up Chad, his 34-year-old son from the first of his three marriages. Dr. Smalley, a trim survivor of a tough battle with cancer, is now single and sharing custody of his second son, Preston, 6. He says he is taking fatherhood much more seriously this time around. "Preston is the real Nobel Prize," said Dr. Smalley, recounting with a mixture of sheepishness and delight the circumstances of his son's birth nine months after the Nobel partying. When he takes the time to talk about energy policy, Dr. Smalley says meeting the needs of 2050 will require a commitment to new technology and forward-thinking policies like the one enunciated by President John F. Kennedy in his 1961 call to put an American on the moon. "If the current administration would embrace this, it would be political poetry, like Nixon going to China," Dr. Smalley said. Dr. Smalley's approach so far has focused on creating support for his vision in the government agencies that deal with energy and among business and technical groups, largely steering clear of politicians. He lacks the taste for the public limelight exhibited by Nobel winners like Linus Pauling, an outspoken opponent of the Vietnam War and later a champion of vitamin C. Dr. Smalley delivers his standard speech with the careful pacing and calm of a scientific paper rather than the passion of a plea. He starts with population projections for 2050, which range from 8 billion to 10 billion people, up from 6.5 billion today. He then presents a list of challenges the world faces and the observation that the problems people put highest on the list in most polls — including water, food and the environment — can be dealt with only if the world has adequate clean energy supplies. Dr. Smalley then lays out the relative roles of major energy sources and the prevailing opinion that the largest by far, oil and gas, will be declining in production before 2050, and perhaps as soon as 2020. Next, he reviews the pluses and minuses of proposed alternatives, pausing to describe technologies that will have to develop further to play an important role. Dr. Smalley generally slips quickly over the environmental dimensions of competing technologies because the Bush administration has taken such a strong stand against factoring climate change into policy. "I'm trying to hold one hand behind my back and not use the climate issue," Dr. Smalley said. Instead, he dwells on a point calculated to alarm Americans of every political stripe — a graph showing that so few young Americans are becoming physicists and engineers that the nation is on its way toward becoming 90 percent dependent on Asia for new energy expertise. Dr. Smalley plans to press forward looking for opportunities to shape the energy debate for another six months or so. But the discussion about energy has gotten him increasingly excited about one area of his research, the challenge of creating self-replicating batches of nanotubes that consist entirely of single-walled cylinders, which are more uniform than multiwalled tubes and thus more likely to strongly exhibit the nanotubes' most interesting properties. Strings of identical nanotubes, called clones although they are not alive, could be woven into long wires that would be more efficient conductors than copper yet far lighter, Dr. Smalley said. Working on such wire, which could make it much cheaper to move solar and wind power to places it is needed, is a way of addressing energy needs in 2050. "Working on nanotubes is the most relevant thing I can do," Dr. Smalley said. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - jim nugent - chicago - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Coping with the totality of spaceship earth and universe is ahead for all of us." - R. Buckminster Fuller __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:14:40 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: dymaxion dwelling machine Comments: To: Revekka Merson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rivka, Assuming you are talking about his Wichita house, you may already have these, but-- See http://buckminster.info/Index/Wh-Wilk.htm (scroll down to "Wichita") And http://buckminster.info/Index/Dymax-Dz.htm [scroll down to "Dymaxion/House (Wichita)"] and http://buckminster.info/Ideas/09-SuspendGeneral.htm Go here http://www.buckminster.info/Pics/ and scroll down to "House/Wichita" The Wichita House is on public display at the Henry Ford Museum http://www.hfmgv.org/museum/dymaxion.asp Click on "The Dymaxion House" I did a search for "Wichita House" on the web; see http://host.uniroma3.it/progetti/design/3_RICPROG/CORSETTI/casa%20futuro/casa_futuro.htm http://specialcollections.wichita.edu/wdl/graphics/wschm_R2dymax5-Dymaxion.jpg http://www.students.a.csbsju.edu/agmalone/Buckminster.htm http://www.detnews.com/2001/decorating/0110/22/e03-323109.htm http://www.hilferty.com/dymaxionhouse/ http://www.wnyc.org/studio360/images/flaws/1.html Hope this helps, -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Revekka Merson" To: Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: dymaxion dwelling machine > hi, > i am an architecture student in new york city and i have a project involving bucky's dymaxion dwelling machine. i was wondering, after taking alook at your site, if you could send me links, photos and any information on his Wichita project. plans, sections, and elevation drawings would be greatly appreciated. > thank you very much for your time, > rivka ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:23:40 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Design Scientists and Dome Dwellers In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sorry, I'm in SF. Best of luck with your efforts though. Leifur Thor ____________________________ Design Scientist 415-681-3519 www.leifthor.com > From: Aaron Lisberg > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:08:03 -0500 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Design Scientists and Dome Dwellers > > Hi guys, > > I am in the process of finishing up my proposal for the Watson Fellowship, its > due next Monday, and am looking for a couple of things. First, does anyone > know of a design scientist, other than Yasushi Kajikawa, in Europe or South > East Asia (Japan, Thailand, Vietnam...) that I could contact and maybe spend > some time with during my fellowship? Second, is there anyone on the listserv > that lives or knows of someone who lives in a dome in Europe or South East > Asia (Japan, Thailand, Vietnam...)? If possible I would like to visit with > some people that live in domes along my travels. > > Thanks for your help, > Aaron Lisberg > a_lisberg@hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:04:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: virtual vertex Comments: To: sphere , synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just like a virtual edge or a vitual face, we can also have a virtual vertex. See foams at: http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=168 http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=169 Also, check out page 8 in Ken's Structure section. There does not seem to be anything but a generalized vertex in these structures either: http://www.kennethsnelson.net/ Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:50:23 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: saraceno cloud No. 9 Comments: To: Tomas Saraceno Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tomas, Sorry for not replying sooner; I've been busy add new material to my = website. There are two particular references that should help you: An article that appeared in many US newspapers about May 6, 1979, with a = title like "Fuller's Symphony of Triangles May One Day Float 19 Miles = above Earth", and an article entitled "Lighter than Air" in the Construction Specifier of = Jan 1980. Here's a picture of the model in the Fuller Archives at Stanford = University's Library: http://insight-prod.stanford.edu/content/fuller/large/model_0032.jpg Go to Papers/Series 19/Subseries 1 for additional pictures of tensegrity = models: http://dynaweb.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead/stanford/mss/m1090/ Also, see two of Fuller's US patents: 3,354,591 (also in Inventions, pp 248-55) 4,207,715 ( " " " , pp 286-93) -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tomas Saraceno=20 To: Joe S Moore=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: Re: saraceno cloud No. 9 Hello=20 Thank you very much for your e-mail I was looking at the web pages that you suggested me, then I was = ordering some of the books but unfortunately not all are available. I would like to ask you if it is possible to find more detailed = drawings regarding double-layer geodesic tensegrity technology that you = recommend. =20 Do you know if there is some project, companies which were working = further on this idea, or if there is a company that you could recommend? =20 PD: I attach 2 pictures of one of the latest exhibitions which I did = at the University of Kaiserslautern=20 Joe S Moore wrote:=20 Tomas, See http://buckminster.info/Index/Clod-Compaq.htm (scroll down to = "Cloud") and http://buckminster.info/Ideas/08-IcosDomeCityCloud.htm and http://buckminster.info/Ideas/08-IcosDomeCityCloudDetail.htm Also, go to the bottom of my home page & search for the word cloud; = you should get about 18 hits. Please keep in mind that any dome large enough to act as a giant hot = air balloon would have to be constructed using double-layer geodesic = tensegrity technology. See http://buckminster.info/Ideas/04-OctaRegTensegTruss.htm and http://buckminster.info/Ideas/04-OctaIrregTensegTrussDouble.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tomas Saraceno=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: saraceno cloud No. 9 Hello =20 My name is Tomas Saraceno, I am an artist-architect from = Argentina. At the moment I am living in Berlin sharing some activities = with Olafur Eliassonn and Einar Thorsteinn who was giving me your = e-mail. =20 I am really interested in the project "cloud No. 9" of = Buckminister Fuller and I would be really glad if you could tell me, = where it is possible to find more information about this project. If = there is more detailed information like drawings etc. If you could answer me, it will be really helpful, since I really = believe in that project and his vision. At the moment I am traying to = building a solar balloon with a diameter of 14.5 m with the idea to = presented at the "Utopia Station" in the actual Venice Biennale. If you = like could be a pleasure in the next e-mail send you some images. =20 Thank you very much for your time.=20 Best regards=20 Tomas Saraceno =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Internet GRATIS es Yahoo! Conexi=F3n. Usuario: yahoo; contrase=F1a: yahoo Desde Buenos Aires: 4004-1010 M=E1s ciudades: clic aqu=ED. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:04:24 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: RBF/Synergetics Listserve Comments: To: Foerd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Foerd, Yes, I remember you. See your entry in my Master Index:=20 http://buckminster.info/Index/Am-Annao.htm (scroll down to "Ames"). I suggest subscribing to the Geodesic list=20 http://listserv.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dgeodesic&A=3D1=20 for general info re Bucky;=20 and the DomeHome list=20 http://www.domegroup.org/ for dome-related info. Also, Yahoo & MSN have several groups that discuss Bucky, domes, etc: http://groups.yahoo.com/ http://groups.msn.com/ Search for Buckminster, geodesic, synergetics, etc -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Foerd=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: RBF/Synergetics Listserve Hi Joe, =20 It's been a long time and you may not remember me. I hope everything = is well with you. I used to participate in your RB Fuller discussion = group and then it seemed to fall off the Earth. I am wondering if it = still exists and, if so, how to return. =20 Sincerely,=20 =20 Foerd Ames =20 Ocean Wave Energy Company 20 Burnside Street Bristol, RI 02809 USA=20 =20 email: foerd@owec.com web site: www.owec.com voice and fax: 401-253-4488 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:09:25 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: saraceno cloud No. 9 Comments: To: Tomas Saraceno MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tomas, I forgot to mention that there are now quite a few used Bucky-books = available on the several used-book websites; for example see: http://www.abebooks.com/ http://www.alibris.com/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/books/misc/bibliofind.html/104-23= 50109-8473559 Search for Buckminster, geodesic, tensegrity, etc -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tomas Saraceno=20 To: Joe S Moore=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: Re: saraceno cloud No. 9 Hello=20 Thank you very much for your e-mail I was looking at the web pages that you suggested me, then I was = ordering some of the books but unfortunately not all are available. I would like to ask you if it is possible to find more detailed = drawings regarding double-layer geodesic tensegrity technology that you = recommend. =20 Do you know if there is some project, companies which were working = further on this idea, or if there is a company that you could recommend? =20 PD: I attach 2 pictures of one of the latest exhibitions which I did = at the University of Kaiserslautern=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:23:10 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: virtual vertex MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, Thanks for your foam models and the reference to Snelson. I've characterized tensegrity as a knitted structure. I will be curious to study Snelson's structure notes and his comparison with weaving more closely. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >Just like a virtual edge or a vitual face, we can also have >a virtual vertex. See foams at: > >http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=168 > >http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=169 > >Also, check out page 8 in Ken's Structure section. There >does not seem to be anything but a generalized vertex in >these structures either: > >http://www.kennethsnelson.net/ > >Dick > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:31:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: tensegrity help Comments: cc: Aaron Lisberg In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Could you explain to me in general terms > about > tensegrity and how it relates to synergetics? Hi Aaron Tensegrity is the heart of geodesic structuring. Other people explain it better than me, especially Bucky. So I'll let them inform you. The main idea is that tension in a structure is continuous and compression is in a structure discontinuous(but first learn what makes a structure a structure!). Tension is an inward directed force and compression is an outward directed force. Inward is toward the structure's center and outward is away from the center. Compression and tension are only and always at ninty degrees to one another. Here is the definitive answer from Bucky: http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s07/p0000.html Here is a clear article: http://www.synearth.net/TensegrityHtml/Tensegrity.html Ken Snelson was the first to make one in 1949. He is at: http://www.kennethsnelson.net/ Have you read Amy Edmonton's book, _A Fuller Explanation_? It is online at: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/marksomers/40.html There is a ton on the net about tensegrity but don't let Carlos Castaneda's adoption of the word get in the way of tensegrity's technical meaning. Good luck. It is not that dificult a concept to grasp. The best way to understand tensegrity is to make one, a 10 minute job. You must make one. Also, my fighting words a few days ago to you are metaphysical, of course. Don't actually hit anyone!! And go ahead and post your emails on the list. You'll get more feedback that way. Peace Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:46:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: virtual vertex In-Reply-To: <3F63B4EE.5010705@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Bob On the other list I asked a foam question. Maybe you can answer it. Is there a minimum and a maximum foam? In a maximum foam with all irregular tets, each vertex would have 12 edges connected and 20 tets around it, and each edges would have 5 faces connected. In a minimum foam with all irregular dodecahedra, each vertex would have 4 edges connected and 4 dodecas around it, and each edge would be connected to 3 faces. Do you think those are the limits to foam? Here is the direct link to Snelson's IVM weave: http://www.kennethsnelson.net/new_structure/structure8_new.htm I guess all the edges are spiral. Dick --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > Dick, > > Thanks for your foam models and the reference to Snelson. I've > characterized tensegrity > as a knitted structure. I will be curious to study Snelson's > structure > notes and his comparison with weaving more closely. > > Bob > > Dick Fischbeck wrote: > > >Just like a virtual edge or a vitual face, we can also have > >a virtual vertex. See foams at: > > > >http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=168 > > > >http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=169 > > > >Also, check out page 8 in Ken's Structure section. There > >does not seem to be anything but a generalized vertex in > >these structures either: > > > >http://www.kennethsnelson.net/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:41:13 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: virtual vertex MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, I plan to do some 3D weaving at some point. That caught my interest most reading through Snelson's "Structure" section. I also noticed his simplest 3D X-structure is identical topologically to the 3-fold t-prism and the reduced-symmetry version thereof I was bringing to the attention of this list recently. I'll have to look into the X-module further as well. I'd like to get a more helical looking tower somehow analagous to the way triple-bonded tets are strung together to get a tetrahelix, but I couldn't see how to do it with the X-module without linking struts together. The foam stuff looks interesting, and I appreciate you bringing it to our attention, but it's not something I have any insights into. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >Hi Bob > >On the other list I asked a foam question. Maybe you can answer it. Is >there a minimum and a maximum foam? In a maximum foam with all >irregular tets, each vertex would have 12 edges connected and 20 tets >around it, and each edges would have 5 faces connected. In a minimum >foam with all irregular dodecahedra, each vertex would have 4 edges >connected and 4 dodecas around it, and each edge would be connected to >3 faces. Do you think those are the limits to foam? > >Here is the direct link to Snelson's IVM weave: > >http://www.kennethsnelson.net/new_structure/structure8_new.htm > >I guess all the edges are spiral. > >Dick > >--- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > > >>Dick, >> >>Thanks for your foam models and the reference to Snelson. I've >>characterized tensegrity >>as a knitted structure. I will be curious to study Snelson's >>structure >>notes and his comparison with weaving more closely. >> >>Bob >> >>Dick Fischbeck wrote: >> >> >> >>>Just like a virtual edge or a vitual face, we can also have >>>a virtual vertex. See foams at: >>> >>> >>> >>http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=168 >> >> >>http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=169 >> >> >>>Also, check out page 8 in Ken's Structure section. There >>>does not seem to be anything but a generalized vertex in >>>these structures either: >>> >>>http://www.kennethsnelson.net/ >>> >>> > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:23:21 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Stairway to heaven a reality as space elevator talks begin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Stairway to heaven a reality as space elevator talks begin THE GUARDIAN Sunday, Sep 14, 2003,Page 6 If climbing a stairway to heaven sounds like too much hard work, then a conference of 70 scientists and engineers opening in Santa Fe, New Mexico, yesterday may offer hope of a more leisurely way into space. In two days of discussions, the scientists aim to turn into a reality an ambition that has been around for at least a century: the creation of a space elevator that would deliver satellites, spacecraft and even people thousands of kilometers into space along a vertical track. Engineers say that recent advances in materials science -- particularly in the development of carbon nanotubes -- mean that such a system, which first gained widespread attention when the science fiction writer Arthur C Clarke described it in his 1979 novel Fountains of Paradise, is no longer pure science fiction. Clarke -- who once said a space elevator would only be built "about 50 years after everyone stops laughing" -- was due to address the scientists at the Santa Fe conference yesterday by satellite link from his home in Sri Lanka. The American space agency NASA is no longer laughing. It is putting several million US dollars into the project under its advanced concepts program. At the heart of a space elevator would be a cable reaching up as far as 100,000km from the surface of the Earth. The earthbound end would be tethered to a base station, probably somewhere in the middle of the Pacific ocean. The other end would be attached to an orbiting object in space acting as a counterweight, the momentum of which would keep the cable taut and allow vehicles to climb up and down it. A space elevator would make rockets redundant by granting cheaper access to space. At about a third of the way along the cable -- 36,000km from Earth -- objects take a year to complete a full orbit. If the cable's center of gravity remained at this height, the cable would remain vertical, as satellites placed at this height are geostationary, effectively hovering over the same spot on the ground. To build a space elevator, such a geostationary satellite would be placed into orbit carrying the coiled-up cable. One weighted end of the cable would then be dropped back towards Earth, while the other would be unreeled off into space. Mechanical lifters could then climb up the cable from the ground, ferrying up satellites, space probes and eventually tourists. No scientist has yet succeeded in making a material, which many expect will be made out of carbon nanotubes, strong but light enough to make the cable, but Rodney Andrews, a carbon nanotube expert from the University of Kentucky will tell the conference: "Until some of the basic science concerning how to connect nanotubes together and transfer load between them in a composite is understood it will remain elusive, but a lot of progress is being made." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:40:07 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: SPACE EXPLORATION ACT OF 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain http://www.sciscoop.com/story/2003/9/12/74714/9918 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:09:45 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: tensegrity help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob What did you ask Bucky that he responded to with this letter? What a letter! http://209.196.135.250/burkhardt/section1.html Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:51:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: virtual vertex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I was wondering if a phenomenological description of tensegrity, vis-a-vu both Bob's dyscovery of the minimum 8-spoke (and 2-hub) config., and the usual (or reduced?) 3-prism element, exists. as for those wild speculations about foams, it reminds me of that guy, John B. who was going nuts with his T-verse crap. I finally realized that he'd simply taken most of his original conjectures out of one of the accounts of the alleged proof of Kepler's conjecture (including the arbitrary parameter of "within 2.5 radii being 'neighbors.'") as for your recent model, Dick, how did you make it? thus quoth: http://209.196.135.250/burkhardt/section1.html --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:50:19 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: virtual vertex In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > as for your recent model, Dick, > how did you make it? http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/ shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=169 It is about 100 3-winged paper hinge elements glue together so that 3 wings of 3 elements intersect at approximately 120 degrees. The edges do twist a little. I will get a better picture soon. This one doesn't show much depth. Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:18:19 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: tensegrity help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My letter was pretty short although I don't have a copy of it any more. You can read the story and some of the correspondence at http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/bucky/index.html. Bucky's letter doesn't seem to be linked into the BFI site anymore though I guess it's still available and search engines know about it. I displayed it on my site for awhile, but my attempts to renew the permission went unanswered so I withdrew it. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >Bob > >What did you ask Bucky that he responded to with this letter? What a >letter! > >http://209.196.135.250/burkhardt/section1.html > >Dick > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:07:43 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: tensegrity help In-Reply-To: <3F670D9B.9080809@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob The entire letter is still at BFI. It is just missing the 'l' in html for some reason. See: http://209.196.135.250/burkhardt/section1.html http://209.196.135.250/burkhardt/section2.html http://209.196.135.250/burkhardt/section3.html http://209.196.135.250/burkhardt/section4.html http://209.196.135.250/burkhardt/section5.html Thanks. Dick --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > My letter was pretty short although I don't have a copy of it any > more. > You can read the story > and some of the correspondence at > http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/bucky/index.html. > Bucky's letter doesn't seem to be linked into the BFI site anymore > though I guess it's still available and search engines know about it. > I > displayed it on my site for awhile, but my attempts to renew the > permission went unanswered so I withdrew it. > > Bob > > Dick Fischbeck wrote: > > >Bob > > > >What did you ask Bucky that he responded to with this letter? What a > >letter! > > > >http://209.196.135.250/burkhardt/section1.html > > > >Dick > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:07:11 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: conjecture Comments: To: sphere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi All If my 3d hub element is constructed with 6 edges/beams lashed together at their centers around 1 virtual vertex, the edges of the hub radiating in an icosahedral pattern, I can splice/overlap hub elements together to form an irregular tetrahedral lattice that fills space. Yes? Does this work? Structuring this way from the inside out, there is enough of everything to go around. What could we run out of? Isn't this maximum foam? Minimum foam could be constructed in a similar manner but in this case each hub element has 4 edges lashed together, and not lashed at their centers but at their ends, and radiating out in a tetrahedral arrangement. Here too, there is nothing to run out of as the foam grows to what ever size. Increasing the overlap of the edges uses less space. Decrease the overlap uses more space. Throughout both of these foams, edges are approximately uniformly distributed. Edges are wavy. Is this trivial? Is it correct? Time to experiment. Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:13:42 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Buckminster Fuller's dome house Comments: To: "Romy E." Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Romy, Sorry for not replying sooner; I've been busy adding new material to my website. Go to this page http://buckminster.info/Index/Dome-Dt.htm and scroll down to Dome/Manufacturers. By going through the lists, you should be able to find what you are looking for. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Romy E." To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Buckminster Fuller's dome house > Hello Joe, > My name is Romy. I live in Hawaii planning to build a > dome house. A friend of mine lives in Japan has > Buckminster Fuller's dome house. She purchased the > dome kit from the States. I"d like to know how I can > get information to buy a dome house kit and I'd like > to see a brochure if they have. If you know about the > information, please e-mail me at romy7@yahoo.com or > send the information to: > Romy Iizuka > P.O. Box 1938 > Honokaa, HI 96727 > Thank you, Aloha, > Romy Iizuka > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:20:01 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: G'day from Downunder Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg, Here's my list of domes in Australia: http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-Australia.htm DOME magazine is no longer being published. Here's my introductory page for domes: http://buckminster.info/Index/Dome-Dt.htm Hope this helps, -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: G'day from Downunder > From: "Babic, Greg" > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:04:40 +1000 > > Hello everybody! > I am a new convert to the beauty of the geodesic dome and I > want to build myself one to live in down here in Australia. > Believe it or not, however, I have never seen one in the > flesh... > That's right! Not a one. I seem to recall reading somewhere > that you have over 50,000 of them in the U.S. of A.!!! Well, > here in Sydney, where I've lived for the last forty years, > I've never seen one! > Now, with respect to this list, this is all new to me, but > here are some questions someone might be able to answer: > 1) If anyone on this list lives in Sydney and knows the > location of a dome home I can go and see, please let me know > where it is... > 2) I seem to recall having read somewhere on the net that > there is a Dome magazine. Is this still around? Where might > I get subscription details? Is it possible to buy back > issues somewhere? Please send me details. > 3) Are there any dome builders/suppliers that have > built/shipped to Australia? Please send me details. > 4) Would anyone like to share their experiences - good or > bad - about having built their dome home? Please send me > details. > 5) What resources could people recommend, send, copy, etc? > Every single book I have identified on the web seems to be > out of print or no longer available. Does anyone have a > book they want to flog off to a real rube? Please send > me details. > 6) If I have broken protocol with these questions, please > excuse me. I will keep reading the list to see how things > are done, and do better next time (I promise). I am just > so excited to have found a forum that (I hope) will answer > my many questions about building my own dome home. > My contact details are: > Mr Greg Babic > 51 Amphitheatre Circuit > Baulkham Hills NSW 2153 > AUSTRALIA > Telephone +61 2 9620 4714 (preferably after 7 p.m. Australian > Eastern Standard Time) > Take care one and all. > I look forward to any responses I might receive, and thank > you all in advance. > Cheers > > > > .:'':. > .::::::::. The DomeHome Email List . http://www.domegroup.org > > > ** subscribe/unsubscribe to this list (under DOG LISTS) at > http://www.hoflin.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:24:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: n-ball cluster problem Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi All Can anyone say exactly what we can know about an n-ball cluster? From; http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Algorithm.html "Algorithm" "A specific set of instructions for carrying out a procedure or solving a problem, usually with the requirement that the procedure terminate at some point. Specific algorithms sometimes also go by the name method, procedure, or technique. The word "algorithm" is a distortion of al-Khwarizmi, a Persian mathematician who wrote an influential treatise about algebraic methods. The process of applying an algorithm to an input to obtain an output is called a computation." JBw Here is a suggestion. Why don't we see what we can say about a cluster of n-balls. This might somehow tie into the model of your discription which you have discussed many times before. It is not the same question you are asking but it might relate mathematically to the xverse idea. With one ball there is no cluster. 0 relations. With 2 balls there is 1 edge, 1 relation. With 3 balls there are 3 edges and 1 area, 3 relations. With 4 balls there are 6 edges and 4 areas and 1 volume, 6 relations. With 5 balls there are 9 edges and 6 areas and 2+ volumes, 10 relations. With 6 balls there are 12 edges and 8 areas and 4 volumes, 15 relations. With each new ball there are 3 new edges, 2 new areas and more volume and many more relations. There might be more that we can say about the n-ball cluster. We might even be able to give a figure for its diameter and circumference. This model's center is virtual. This model has icosahedral symmetry. It is probably not new. Anybody? Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:08:34 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: 7 planes transform into 14 Comments: To: sphere , synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This from Edmondson: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/marksomers/97.html "In a space-filling array of closepacked spheres, these seven planes extend indefinitely—with neither curve nor bend. A cross-section of such a packing has a square or triangular arrangement, depending on which way the packing is sliced. So although we started with only triangulated layers (in order to create a maximally dense array of spheres), square cross-sections automatically arose, just as octahedral cavities automatically arose next to the radiating tetrahedra in the vector equilibrium. This is the shape of space." I just had to share the idea. I still don't really get it. I guess the 12 edges are perpendicular to the 14 faces. Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:21:42 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: outdoor tensegrities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's pictures and reports on two tensegrities I assembled outdoors last week. The tensegrity bean teepee which I think I've reported to this list before: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/teepee.html And a new tensegrity prism: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/x7prism.html Bob ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:38:29 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Trigonal Geometry and Co-ordinate Systems (Sec. 15.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed http://caswww.colorado.edu/courses.d/IFEM.d/IFEM.Ch15.d/IFEM.Ch15.pdf --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:27:06 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: 7 planes transform into 14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the "12 edges" aren't perpendcular to the 3 tetragonal sections, nor to the 4 trigonal ones, as is easily seen by simply looking at the 6 edges of a tetrahedron (and its tetragonal corss-sections). [12 directions and 6 lines]. thus quoth: which way the packing is sliced. So although we started with only triangulated layers (in order to create a maximally dense array of spheres), square cross-sections automatically arose, just as octahedral cavities automatically arose next to the radiating tetrahedra in the vector equilibrium. This is the shape of space." I just had to share the idea. I still don't really get it. I guess the 12 edges are perpendicular to the 14 faces. --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK !?! _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:37:25 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: n-ball cluster problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed did you get this from "John Brawley," the one who (I guess) filched from Szpiro's book, his whole gedanken on his balls?... and why was he so-compelled? it's easy to answer, because it's also simple combinatorics -- you have to also include the "simplices" beyond tetrahedra. ah, well, what could taht mean? anyway, the n-ball situation does *not* in general "have icosahedral symmetry." your problem is that you always seem to be on a Fishing Trip, because your questions are so general as to (usually) go uncommented-upon (as with your little forays into sci.math). thus quoth: JBw Here is a suggestion. Why don't we see what we can say about a cluster of n-balls. This might somehow tie into the model of your discription which you have discussed many times before. It is not the same question you are asking but it might relate mathematically to the xverse idea. With one ball there is no cluster. 0 relations. With 2 balls there is 1 edge, 1 relation. With 3 balls there are 3 edges and 1 area, 3 relations. With 4 balls there are 6 edges and 4 areas and 1 volume, 6 relations. With 5 balls there are 9 edges and 6 areas and 2+ volumes, 10 relations. With 6 balls there are 12 edges and 8 areas and 4 volumes, 15 relations. With each new ball there are 3 new edges, 2 new areas and more volume and many more relations. --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:19:58 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: christoph gengnagel Subject: Geodesic Dome at Wood River Illinois MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello currently I'm working on my PhD at the department of structural design at the Technical University Munich. (TUM). The theme of the thesis is the history and the development of rapid assembly and deployable structures, especially wide span shelter systems. The first part of the work includes a research about existing systems and patents to achieve a morphological overview about this type of structures. The work of Buckminster Fuller is full of interesting ideas and projects for deployable and lightweight structures. A lot of them could I find in the book " Your private Sky" but now I'm looking for a specific project, the: Geodesic Dome at Wood River Illinois, as a first example for using a inflatable balloon for the erection. Unfortunately I can't get any information or pictures about this project in our libraries. Could you help me please with photographs or other information's about this project? Thank you in advance Christoph Gengnagel -- ______________________________________ Dipl. Ing. Christoph Gengnagel Wiss. Assistent Fakultät für Architektur TUM Lehrstuhl für Tragwerksplanung Arcisstraße 21 D-80290 München Telefon: 089 / 289-23157 Telefax: 089 / 289-23153 e-mail: c.gengnagel@lrz.tum.de http://www.lt.arch.tu-muenchen.de/ ______________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:41:32 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic Dome at Wood River Illinois Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cristoph, Go to the bottom of my home page and search for "Wood River" (with the quotes); 6 of the 8 hits should be relevant to what you are looking for. Go to these pages & search for "river": http://buckminster.info/Biblio/By-BkTOC-TheDymaxionWorldOfBuckminsterFuller-B.htm http://buckminster.info/Biblio/About-BkTOC-BuckminsterFuller[Pawley].htm Wong's MIT thesis, The Geodesic Works of RBF, 1948-68, volumes 1 & 2, is online; there is some info about Wood River; see http://theses.mit.edu/Dienst/UI/2.0/Page/0018.mit.theses%2f1999-159/796 and the text section at 3.4 http://buckminster.info/Biblio/About-BkTOC-TheGeodesicWorksOfRBF48-68-v1.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "christoph gengnagel" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: Geodesic Dome at Wood River Illinois > Hello > > currently I'm working on my PhD at the department of structural design > at the Technical University Munich. (TUM). The theme of the thesis is > the history and the development of rapid assembly and deployable > structures, especially wide span shelter systems. > > The first part of the work includes a research about existing systems > and patents to achieve a morphological overview about this type of > structures. The work of Buckminster Fuller is full of interesting ideas > and projects for deployable and lightweight structures. A lot of them > could I find in the book " Your private Sky" but now I'm looking for a > specific project, the: Geodesic Dome at Wood River Illinois, as a first > example for using a inflatable balloon for the erection. Unfortunately I > can't get any information or pictures about this project in our > libraries. Could you help me please with photographs or other > information's about this project? > > Thank you in advance > > Christoph Gengnagel > ______________________________________ > > Dipl. Ing. Christoph Gengnagel > Wiss. Assistent > > Fakultät für Architektur TUM > Lehrstuhl für Tragwerksplanung > > Arcisstraße 21 > D-80290 München > Telefon: 089 / 289-23157 > Telefax: 089 / 289-23153 > > e-mail: c.gengnagel@lrz.tum.de > http://www.lt.arch.tu-muenchen.de/ > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:47:59 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: P Meisen Subject: Global Energy Network is WIRED MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently, we have seen a blackout in the US Northeast and Canada leave 50 million people without power for 2 days. Then Hurricane Isabelle tore apart power lines and service to 2 million people during the past week. London and Stockholm have gone dark for several hours. What's going on? It's important to first understand that we expect electricity to function 24/7, whenever we flip the switch. The interconnected grid, linking power generators via high voltage transmission lines to your home and business is the largest, finely tuned machine in our modern world. It's taken for granted until a failure, which is when you realize how critical electricity is to our quality of life. The Global Energy Network Initiative is featured in this month's issue of WIRED Magazine. Please read and share with your own community. http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/library/media_coverage/Wired/PowerUp/index.shtml ( original link: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/start.html?pg=17 ) If you would like to receive GENI's monthly e-zine, please sign up at: https://www.geni.org/globalenergy/features/action_items/newsletter_subscription.shtml In partnership, Peter Meisen -- The Global Energy Network Institute focuses on the interconnection of electric power networks between nations and continents, with an emphasis on tapping abundant renewable energy resources. This strategy is the highest priority of the World Game simulation developed by Dr. Buckminster Fuller three decades ago. TEL: 619-595-0139 peter@geni.org http://www.geni.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:00:30 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: artificial diamonds Comments: To: James MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James, See http://buckminster.info/Index/Di-Disc.htm (scroll down to "Diamond") -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "James" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: artificial diamonds > I've been reading about artificial diamonds. > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html > > It says, "the Federal Trade Commission said that it was "unfair or > deceptive" to call a man-made diamond a "diamond," > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html?pg=3&topic=&topic_set= > > In one of Fuller's books, or somewhere, Fuller said there's no such thing as > synthetic diamond. Man made diamonds are real diamonds. I don't see that > quote in Synergetics, Critical Path, or Grunch. Do you know where it is? > Feel free to post this. > > Best, > James ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:50:34 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Solar cooker Comments: To: dominic Michaelis Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dominic, Very nice! The Desert Domes website has a Dome Calculator that should be able to give you the information that you need; see http://www.desertdomes.com/ Also, the used-book websites have quite a few Bucky-related books these days; see http://www.abebooks.com/ and http://www.alibris.com/ or http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/books/misc/bibliofind.html/104-8470057-7683131 -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "dominic Michaelis" To: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Solar cooker > Dear Joe S Moore, > We make this solar cooker derived from 6 frequency icosahedron Bucky > geometry. > I works very well. > Unfortunately, the Domebook disappeared, as good books do, > and I was wondering if there is a website where I can find the exact > figures again. > I can of course measure from the cooker itself, but I suspect that some > dimensions are not quite right and may need correcting. > Well done for keeping Bucky with us. > Best regards > Dominic Michaelis > website: www.solarenergyltd.net > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----