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Anyone know what's up with that? Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:51:16 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: geodesic houses Comments: To: mike dix Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, Go to this page http://buckminster.info/Index/Dome-Dt.htm & scroll down = to "Manufacturers"; hopefully, by going through the lists, you will find = what you are looking for. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mike dix=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: geodesic houses I am very interested in geodesic building systems for homes and = industry. Can you tell me how to find out specifics on what is available ? I know you are the webmaster but I thought you might be able to put me = in touch ? Thanks Either way Mike Dix Arch Industries Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:52:50 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: geodesic houses In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mike What specific interest do you have in geodesic structures? Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Mike, > > Go to this page http://buckminster.info/Index/Dome-Dt.htm & scroll > down to "Manufacturers"; hopefully, by going through the lists, you > will find what you are looking for. > > -------------------------------------------- > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > ------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mike dix > To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:20 PM > Subject: geodesic houses > > > I am very interested in geodesic building systems for homes and > industry. > Can you tell me how to find out specifics on what is available ? > I know you are the webmaster but I thought you might be able to put > me in touch ? Thanks Either way Mike Dix Arch Industries Inc. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:14:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: geodesic houses Comments: To: thedomeguy@domeincorporated.com Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blair, Forgot to reply re Dick Boyt. No info except he developed the Rotegrity domes in 1970 (from Clinton's CD). -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:24 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: geodesic houses > Hi Joe; > (snip) > > Did you hear from Dick Boyt and his rotegrity domes? > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:26:04 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: new Motro book on tensegrity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rene Motro, Tensegrity, London: Hermes Penton Science, 2003. ISBN 1903996376. 280 pages. I found this in the WorldCat database at MIT. They say only 2 libraries worldwide have it. It's listed at Amazon for $110. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:38:49 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: new Motro book on tensegrity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, This book was just published last month. Don't know too much about Dr Motro except he is a prof at the University of Montpellier in Montpellier, France. He contributed a chapter in the book _Beyond the Cube_; see http://buckminster.info/Biblio/About-BkTOC-BeyondTheCube.htm. Also, he wrote an article in the 1996 issue of International Journal of Space Structures on "Structural Morphology of Tensegrity Systems" (don't know the month, just vol 11 nos 1&2, but it's on pages 233-40). Barnes & Noble has it for $95.00 (Don't yet know if it is worth the price.) -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Burkhardt" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 6:26 AM Subject: new Motro book on tensegrity > Rene Motro, Tensegrity, London: Hermes Penton Science, 2003. ISBN > 1903996376. 280 pages. > > I found this in the WorldCat database at MIT. They say only 2 libraries > worldwide have it. It's listed at Amazon for $110. > > Bob ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:53:50 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Gandhi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Way to go, Bill! http://www.bsudailynews.com/vnews/display.v/ ART/2003/10/03/3f7d095b7a177 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:19:49 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Fuller Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For everyone's information, the Buckminster Fuller Archives at Stanford = University's Library are fully searchable by word or phrase. =20 Please see the box in the upper left corner of the home page: http://dynaweb.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead/stanford/mss/m1090/ Very handy. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:25:23 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Shape of Universe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CNN.com article Oct 9, 2003: "Scientists think universe shaped like soccer ball" http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/10/09/universe.soccer.ball.reut/index.= html -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:17:14 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Shape of Universe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed typical British ideal, we know that "Scientists think universe shaped like soccer ball" -- so let's conquer it -- from Reuters. --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac --A church-school McCrusade (Blair's ideals?): Harry-the-Mad-Potter want's US to kill Iraqis?... http://www.tarpley.net/bush25.htm ("Thyroid Storm" ch.) http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/plates.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/curriculum/Cosmo.PCX --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 23 -- Le FIN d'HISTOIRE 24 -- L'ORDEUR du MONDE NOUVEAU 25 -- THYROID STORK !?! --les ducs de Buffet; vote NONE OF THE BELOW on Trickier Dick Cheney's California Recall & e-Dereg! http://larouchepub.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:47:39 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: new Motro book on tensegrity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, $95 (thanks for tracking this down) is better than the list price of $110, but I can't remember when I've paid that much for a book. Motro has published a lot in the academic journals, and wrote the keynote survey "Tensegrity Systems: The State of the Art" in the special 1992 issue of International Journal of Space Structures devoted entirely to tensegrity. His name appears frequently as a co-author in articles in academic journals on tensegrity. I'm trying to catch up on the recent things he and his collaborators have done. I read the 1996 article you mentioned, but I think I'll look it over again to refresh my memory. The latest thing he's involved with seems to be double-layer tensegrity trusses and beams based on linear and planar aglomerations of the "half cuboctahedron". The latter is a four-fold tensegrity prism with the tendon lengths at one end and the sides equal to 1/sqrt(2) times the tendon lengths of the other end. With those measurements, the smaller tendons exactly duplicate the edges of half a cuboctahedron. I hesitate a bit with these aglomerations since one has to connect struts together pair-wise which introduces complex joints, but that may be what's needed to introduce sufficient rigidity in tensegrity structures. An engineer who knows those sorts of joints might hesitate less than I do, and the series of struts interweave with each other and with the tendons in a very interesting way that brings to mind Snelson's discussions of tensegrity and weaving in the "Structure" section at www.kennethsnelson.net. And it's a very regular structure which doesn't require the sort of apparatus I've developed to do tensegrity computations. Motro's certainly one of the people I would like to see write a book on tensegrity. Bob Joe S Moore wrote: >Bob, > >This book was just published last month. Don't know too much about Dr Motro >except he is a prof at the University of Montpellier in Montpellier, France. >He contributed a chapter in the book _Beyond the Cube_; see >http://buckminster.info/Biblio/About-BkTOC-BeyondTheCube.htm. Also, he >wrote an article in the 1996 issue of International Journal of Space >Structures on "Structural Morphology of Tensegrity Systems" (don't know the >month, just vol 11 nos 1&2, but it's on pages 233-40). Barnes & Noble has >it for $95.00 (Don't yet know if it is worth the price.) > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:48:03 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: Fuller Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Very neat. Thanks Joe. -----Original Message----- From: Joe S Moore [mailto:joe_s_moore@HOTMAIL.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:20 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Fuller Archives For everyone's information, the Buckminster Fuller Archives at Stanford University's Library are fully searchable by word or phrase. Please see the box in the upper left corner of the home page: http://dynaweb.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead/stanford/mss/m1090/ Very handy. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:12:17 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: MIT OpenCourseWare MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ref: http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html Haven't tried this yet, but it seems like a good resource for a design scientist in training and I will. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:45:25 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Six Interviews MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Color Quicktime interviews with six Bucky collaborators at the Stanford = Humanities Lab website(Ed Applewhite, Stuart Brand, Shoji Sadao, Thomas = Zung, Allegra Snyder, & Edwin Schlossberg): http://www.stanford.edu/group/shl/Bucky/public_web_content/bucky_conversa= tions.html# -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:23:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Bucky Stuff at SHL Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bucky projects at Stanford Humanities Lab: 6 Interviews Anims of 11 selected archive models The Dymax Vehicle (Michael J Gorman) Movie about geodesic domes (Ellyn Ruschak) http://www.stanford.edu/group/shl/research/bucky.html# -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:45:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Dignity Village in Portland Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe they could use a geodesic dome or 2. Anyone from Portland know anything more about this? We need more models of ultra-low-cost housing options. Is Homelessville USA still going in Los Angeles? Omnidomes there. Ted Hayes was a founder. http://www.outofthedoorways.org/proposal/DignityProposal.html >From New York Times: By SARAH KERSHAW Published: October 5, 2003 ARTICLE TOOLS PORTLAND, Ore., Sept. 28 — Dignity Village, a tiny community on the northeastern edge of Portland, convened an emergency session of its legislature the other evening. The 26 representatives present sat in a circle on ragtag chairs collected over the years from garbage dumps and curbsides, near a wide puddle they call Lake Dignity. The chairman of the nine-member Dignity Village governing council was there, along with the heads of most departments: the treasurer, the secretary and chairwoman of the tents and population committee, the security chairman, the trash and sanitation chairman, the toilet meister and the coffee meister. They had an urgent item on the agenda: the uncertain future of their village, an unusual encampment of more than 60 homeless people, living in tents or one-room shacks built of plywood, tarpaulins, plastic sheeting and anything else that could be scavenged and hauled in old wheelchairs and shopping carts. Dignity Village is no squatter's camp. Its residents describe it as a "self-governing urban village" and it is one of the nation's few government-sanctioned homesteads for the homeless. It rents land from the city of Portland, runs a nonprofit corporation, adopts an annual budget, has bylaws and an executive and a legislative branch of government and is working to create a court system. But its permit for camping on city land is expiring, two years after city officials decided to rent an acre of public land for the encampment — a move that the Portland mayor, Vera Katz, acknowledged at the time might have sounded "absolutely crazy" when New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and other cities were cracking down on their homeless residents. The village is losing the support of some officials, who say it has overstayed its welcome. And the village's latest bid to buy a private lot and build portable houses made of straw and clay fell through in August. Still, the villagers, many of whom met more than three years ago, when they were living in tents on a stretch of mud under an Interstate highway bridge here, said they were undeterred. The consensus at the legislative session was that whatever happened, as long as they remained homeless, they would stay together. "We have something," said Jack Tafari, 57, the chairman of the Dignity Village Council. "It's a lot better than nothing, but we're going to have more." The city seems amenable to allowing the villagers to stay at least a few more months. They plan to present a formal proposal to the city by Oct. 15, and city officials have agreed to postpone a final decision until then. The Dignity Village Legislature — which includes anyone who lives there — will now debate whether to try to stay put for the foreseeable future, on an asphalt lot at a city leaf-composting plant near the Portland Airport, and possibly propose expanding. But there is growing opposition to the village in Portland, a city of 530,000 where roughly 1,800 people sleep in shelters or on the streets on a given night. That number is growing along with the city's poverty rate, city officials say. Critics say that Dignity Village is unsafe, that fire hazards abound, that the encampment, a 40-minute bus ride from downtown Portland, is too isolated. They say the city, which is absorbing about $15,000 annually in maintenance and rent costs for the village, should funnel that money to other services for the homeless. "I respected the intent and desire of the people who back Dignity Village," said Jim Francesconi, one of the five Portland city commissioners, including the mayor. "I just never thought it would work, and I also don't believe that camping in the city is the most humane way of treating the homeless." Mr. Francesconi voted with the minority in August 2001, when the City Council voted to allow Dignity Village — then called Camp Dignity — to inhabit public land. Still, Dignity Village has many loyal supporters here, including a particularly devoted Portland businessman, Lee Larson, a retired transportation company executive. Mr. Larson gave residents an old airport shuttle bus to use as a library; has paid the city $40,000, covering their rent over the past two years; and is determined that Dignity Village not disband. "It's really kind of the American dream," said Mr. Larson, 62, who heard about this group of homeless people when they were living under the Fremont Bridge and wondered how he could help. "You have homeless people pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps." "I mean, they've done all this," he said during a visit to the village, pointing to the ramshackle structures, the windmill that provides electricity, their outdoor kitchen, the propane-heated showers, the portable toilets and the communal meeting area under a tarp, where couches are available for those without a tent or shack. "It's really neat, it's a neat thing." Many at the encampment said they had no desire to abandon their dream now. They have survived too much — frequent police sweeps under the bridge and confrontations with the City Council before the city finally legalized their new camp. There were Portland's relentless rains, continuing criticism of the village and political battles among the villagers. The ultimate goal, they said, is to create a workable model of self-sufficient villages for homeless people across the country. Many had slept in shelters, in the streets or under the Fremont Bridge. They say that village life is better than sleeping on benches or in doorways or even in shelters, where they cannot store their possessions or keep pets, and where couples are split up. Dignity Village requires those who live there to look for work or go to school, said Brenda Howard-Gray, who as chairwoman of the tents and population committee works on "intake" of new residents at the committee meeting every Tuesday at 10 a.m. About 25 residents have full- or part-time jobs, and most villagers receive food stamps or other benefits. Among the residents, some have mental illnesses or physical disabilities. Some are highly educated — there is a former nurse and an unemployed engineer — and only recently fell on hard times. People with children are discouraged from living in the village. Drinking is not allowed. Breaking that rule, stealing, being violent or causing other problems can lead to banishment by the Village Council — for 24 hours, a week, 30 days or permanently, depending on the seriousness of the offense. Gaye Reyes, the villager who is proposing a Dignity Village court, said that as with any bureaucracy, moving proposals through the village government could take forever. "You know, you wouldn't think so, but a lot of homeless people are Type A," said Ms. Reyes, who left her job in accounting a few years ago at the age of 50, became deeply depressed, lost her apartment and now uses a wheelchair. "They have very specific ideas, and so everything around here is a battle royale." "The village isn't for everybody," she added. "If you want to lay around and suck on a bottle for the rest of your life, fine. But you can't do it here." No matter what the city allows, residents said they would continue raising money to buy their own property. They have $8,000 in a land fund, and several private donors, including Mr. Larson, have said they will contribute substantially more to a land purchase. "I want to see this thing through," said Benjamin Howard, a member of the Village Council, who lost his job on an oil tanker last year and lives in Dignity Village with his wife, Ms. Howard-Gray, who is also the village secretary. "I want to see it thrive. I don't necessarily want to be a permanent village resident, but whether the village survives here or not, most of us want to be a part of the village." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:17:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: R. Motro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob B. I ran across this letter from Snelson to R. Motro. In the unlikely chance you have not seen it, here is the link: http://www.grunch.net/snelson/rmoto.html Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:03:56 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: R. Motro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, Thanks. I've read it. As it notes, it was published in the Int'l Journal of Space Structures which I keep up on since they seem to have the most on tensegrity of any journal I've found. With three people contending for inventor of tensegrity (Fuller, Snelson and Emmerich), and one dead Latvian artist (Ioganson) who others discovered built a t-prism in 1921 or so (destroyed by Soviet art critics in 1925 or so), I find discussings of that issue mind-bending at times, but it's getting more comprehensible to me. The Wong thesis was good for this. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >Bob B. > >I ran across this letter from Snelson to R. Motro. In the unlikely >chance you have not seen it, here is the link: > >http://www.grunch.net/snelson/rmoto.html > >Dick > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:10:48 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Bridges2003-Granada Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~sequin/ART/BRIDGES2003/ArtExhibit/ http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~sequin/ART/BRIDGES2003/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:02:22 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: R. Motro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed uh-oh. wasn't Bucky in Russia at this time, per _Critical Path_ ... or was he just reporting on the US-led industrialization of the SU? is there a precis of the "Wong thesis," or is it because of the amount of artifacts that are documented in it? thus quoth: and one dead Latvian artist (Ioganson) who others discovered built a t-prism in 1921 or so (destroyed by Soviet art critics in 1925 or so), I find discussings of that issue mind-bending at times, but it's getting more comprehensible to me. The Wong thesis was good for this. --les ducs de Buffet; vote NONE OF THE BELOW on Trickier Dick Cheney's California Recall & e-Dereg! http://larouchepub.com _________________________________________________________________ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:21:24 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: R. Motro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The table of contents is a reasonable precis for the Wong thesis. The part on the tensegrity controversy is not very long. I didn't think Bucky visited Russia until he built the dome in Moscow during Kruschev's tenure. He did interview people who had worked in Russia during the 30's (and 20's?) as part of his work for the Bureau of Economic Warfare during WWII (as mentioned in Critical Path). Bob Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > uh-oh. wasn't Bucky in Russia at this time, > per _Critical Path_ ... or > was he just reporting on the US-led industrialization of the SU? > is there a precis of the "Wong thesis," or > is it because of the amount of artifacts that are documented in it? > > thus quoth: > and one dead Latvian artist (Ioganson) who others discovered built a > t-prism in 1921 or so (destroyed by Soviet art critics in 1925 or so), I > find discussings of that issue mind-bending at times, but it's getting > more comprehensible to me. The Wong thesis was good for this. > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:38:31 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: indigs, zero-nine and Scheherezade numbers ? Comments: To: jim egan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, Unfortunately, I know of no one who is doing any follow-work regarding indigs, zero-nine or Scheherezade numbers. -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim egan" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: indigs, zero-nine and Scheherezade numbers ? > Joe, > Do you know of any sites or people that are following up on Bucky's work in > Synergetic 1 and 2 about indigs, zero-nine and Scheherezade numbers ? > > Thanks, > Jim Egan > Jim Egan Photography > 150 Chestnut St. > Providence, RI 20903 > jim@jimegan.com > 401-331-6220 studio > 401-331-6278 fax > 401-447-6757 cell > www.jimegan.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:49:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: hi joe Comments: To: Gabriel Sroka Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gabriel, Try as I might, I couldn't find any info on the Discovery Science Channel's website re that show about Building the Ultimate. I have toured Biosphere II since I live only a few miles from it. I was a little disappointed since the two "Lung" domes were not geodesic, and the full potential of the octet truss was not realized. They didn't use tensegrity octet trusses and they cut some of the octahedra in half, thereby making them unstable & weak. In case you're interested, here's the website for Biosphere II http://www.bio2.edu/ and here's the Eden Project website http://www.edenproject.com/ -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Sroka" To: Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: hi joe > there was a great show last night on Discovery's Science Channel. 60 minutes of Biosphere 2, Eden > Project geodesic domes in England and trips to Mars. > > "Eden - an enclosed space-age plastic dome houses a garden in the rolling green hills of southern > England" > > show's called Building the Ultimate: Nature Under Glass > > enjoy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:18:13 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "" Subject: Re: Bridges2003-Granada In-Reply-To: <20031014211048.63408.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Great link Dick. Blair Quoting Dick Fischbeck : > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~sequin/ART/BRIDGES2003/ArtExhibit/ > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~sequin/ART/BRIDGES2003/ > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:29:04 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Bridges2003-Granada In-Reply-To: <1066227493.3f8d572551adf@webmail.domeincorporated.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks. That was posted at the other geodesic list at google. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=bit.listserv.geodesic Did anyone here attend? I thought Chris F. was going. Chris? Dick --- "" wrote: > Great link Dick. > > Blair > > > Quoting Dick Fischbeck : > > > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~sequin/ART/BRIDGES2003/ArtExhibit/ > > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~sequin/ART/BRIDGES2003/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:11:15 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Spherical spirals of balls MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a recent post to synergeo by Adrian: "Hi All A while back Dick mentioned spiralling non-overlapping circles on a sphere. Here is a first version of a program which does what may be the same thing (depending on Dick's method), spiralling points on a sphere with a common (straight line) distance between succesive points. I'm not sure how to find the points mathematically so I use an iterative method to find where on the spiral to place the next point. At the moment it is only possible to set the distance between points. I would also like to be able to set the number of points as an alternative but I haven't thought how to do that yet (well, not without lots of computing). I've included the program below. It generates a set of points which can be used as input to the polyform program. Here is an image of a set of points generated with pg_spiral.py -S .32 and shown as maximum size non-overlapping spheres http://groups.yahoo.com/group/synergeo/files/polyhon/pgs1.png I also want to look at is distributing points like the seeds of a sunflower, by plotting points at the intersections of (sets of) spirals." Adrian. -- Adrian Rossiter Email: adrian_r@t... Web Site: http://www.terra.es/personal/adrian_r --------------------------------- This is a picture of a spiral of circles on a ball. Adrian's sphere cluster will intersect a surface in the same way. http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/ shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=127 Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:09:43 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: spiral packing Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- In synergeo@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Rossiter wrote: > Hi Dick > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Dick Fischbeck wrote: > > F=root[(131-2)/10]=3.6 > > > > 155+64+13+1=233 > > > > Sound possible? > > > > In other words, if the outer shell has 131 balls, the next inward > > shell can have 69 balls, the next 27 and the next 5. Or something > > close to that. > > It sounds like a possible outcome, but doesn't explain to me exactly what > the formula applies to. > > For example, 3 spheres on a single shell is a valid spiral pack - > > F = sqrt((3-2)/10) = sqrt(0.1) > Total spheres: > (10/3)F^3+5F^2+(11/3)F+1 = > 0.10540926 + .5 + 1.1595018 + 1 = > 2.76 (approx) > > a 4 sphere single shell spiral pack is also possible - > > F = sqrt((4-2)/10) = sqrt(0.2) > Total spheres: > (10/3)F^3+5F^2+(11/3)F+1 = > 0.2981424 + 1 + 1.6397832 + 1 = > 3.94 (approx) which is pretty close to 4... > > But then if you choose a spiral of zero turns and small spheres half the > size of the shell sphere there are 4 spheres on an outer shell and room > for an inner shell of one sphere, making a 5 sphere pack for this same > 3.94 value. Adrian Have you studied Kirby's site? For example, see: http://www.grunch.net/synergetics/sphpack.html The formula I referred to above is the standard cuboctahedral ball counting tool. Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:55:58 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: indigs, zero-nine and Scheherezade numbers ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed other than the "casting-out of nines," there is almost nothing in the Scheherazade numbers, other than the idea of having lots of factors, so that you are more likely to get a rational fraction (with no rounding errors due to decimal interpolation, or what ever). that's why I often refer to him as Are Buckafka Fullofit -- no question about it, on some things. in other words, if you're really into it, get an elementary book on numbertheory, or it's basically hopeless. truly fascinating, once you can stand it! --UN HYDROGEN (sic; Methanex (TM) reformanteurs) ECONOMIE?... La Troi Phases d'Exploitation de la Protocols des Grises de Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (content partiale, below): 17 -- L'ATTEMPTER de COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 --les ducs de Buffet; vote NONE OF THE BELOW on Trickier Dick Cheney's California Recall & e-Dereg! http://larouchepub.com _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:29:48 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Wight Biennial exhibit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Quincy and all Anyone near UCLA can see an 11 foot diameter randome outside the Kinross building. Oscar Tuazon and I collaborated on the installation. I'll send pictures soon. Dick From: http://www.arts.ucla.edu/Default.asp?dTbID=1305&page= calendar&calPage=detail&calFr=10/9/2003&calTo=10/9/2003 Thursday, October 9, 2003 Events 2003 Wight Biennial October 9 through November 6, 2003 Open: M T W T F Opening Reception: 5–8 p.m., Oct. 9 New Wight Gallery/Kinross, 103 Kinross Building Gallery Hours: 9 a.m.-4:30 p.m., Monday-Friday Free An exhibition of work selected from graduate programs around the world, curated by graduate students in the UCLA departments of art and art history. The curators are Alice Cisternino, Kirsten Everberg, Skylar Keitzman, Lauren Lavitt, Shana Lutker (art) and Mika Yoshitake (art history). Artists represented are Laura Daroca and Brian McKinnon (Art Center College of Design, Pasadena); Gal Kinan and Rhona Yefman (Bezalel, Tel Aviv); Ingram Ober and Gustavo Herrera (Claremont Graduate University); Noah Fisher and Marc Handelman (Columbia University); Michael Wilkinson (Glasgow School of Art); Simon Clark and Doug Fishbone (Goldsmiths College, London); Ichiro Okada (Kyoto City University of Art); Jesse Ash (Royal College of Art, London); Oscar Tuazon (Whitney Independent Studio Program, New York); and Adam Helms and Nicholas Herman (Yale University). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:47:46 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: looking for Bucky quote Ed, I can only find two places where that definition occurs (even though I suspect that there are more): Synergetics Dictionary, Volume 2, p 243 I Seem to Be a Verb, p 67-B -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- "Ed Dickerson" wrote in message news:bmp783$gul$1@ins22.netins.net... > Hi, I'm looking for Fuller's definition of a human. It goes something like: > > A twenty-eight jointed, bipedal. . . . > > Can anyone help me? > > Ed Dickerson ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:55:21 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: looking for Bucky quote MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Nine Chains to the Moon" at the beginning of Chapter 4, "The Phantom Captain" is another one. Bob Joe S Moore wrote: >Ed, > >I can only find two places where that definition occurs (even though I >suspect that there are more): > >Synergetics Dictionary, Volume 2, p 243 > >I Seem to Be a Verb, p 67-B > >-------------------------------------------- >Joe S Moore >joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >http://buckminster.info >------------------------------------------- >"Ed Dickerson" wrote in message >news:bmp783$gul$1@ins22.netins.net... > > >>Hi, I'm looking for Fuller's definition of a human. It goes something >> >> >like: > > >>A twenty-eight jointed, bipedal. . . . >> >>Can anyone help me? >> >>Ed Dickerson >> >> > >. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:40:29 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Belt Subject: Re: looking for Bucky quote (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: looking for Bucky quote This reply to Ed Dickerson' search for Fuller's definition for a human. The definition below is listed in: Volume 2: F-M of Synergetics Dictionary / The Mind of Buckminster Fuller Garland Publishing, Inc New York and London 1968 This four volume set Compiled and Edited by E.J. Applewhite with an introduction and appendices. --Cite: I Seem to Be a Verb, Queen, May '70 Note: There are 0ver forty index cards starting with the word human or human..., This card most closely matches the quote request. the index card on topic reads: RBF DEFINITIONS (note: copy below as printed on the index card reprints in dictionary) page 243 of Synergetics Dictionary: card 1 Humans as Machines: "Man? "A self-balancing, twenty-eight-jointed adapter base biped; an electrochemical reduction plant, integral with segregated stowages of special energy extracts in storage batteries, for subsequent actuation of thousands of hydraulic and pneumatic pumps, with motors attached; 62,000 miles of capillaries; millions of warning signals, railroad and conveyor systems; crushers and cranes (of which the arms are magnificent twenty-three-jointed affairs with self- surfacing and lubrication systems, and a universally distrib- uted telephone system needing no service for 70 years if well managed); the extraordinarily complex mechanism guided with exquisite precision from a turret in which are located telescopic and microscopic self-registering and recording range finders, a spectroscope, etcetera, the turret control being closely allied with an air conditioning intake- and-exhaust, and a main fuel intake. "Within the few cubic inches housing the turret mechanisms, there is room, also, for two sound-wave and sound-direction- finder recording diaphragms, a filing and instant reference system and an expertly devised analytical laboratory large enough not only to contain minute record over every last" card 2 "and continual event of up to 70 years' experience, or more, but to extend, by computation, and abstract fabrication, this experience with relative accuracy into all corners of the observed Universe. There is also a forecasting and tactical plotting department for the reduction of future possibilities and probabilities to generally successful specific choice. "Finally, the whole structure is not only directly and simply mobile on land and in water, but indirectly and by exquisite precision of complexity, mobile in air, and, even in the intangible, mathematically sensed electrical 'world, ' by means of the extension of the primary integral mechanism to secondary mechanical compositions of its own devising, operable either by a direct mechanical hook-up with the device, or by indirect control through wired or wireless electrical impulses." -Cite: I SEEM TO BE A VERB, Queen, May '70 (_Not_ in Bantam version) -Cite: NINE CHAINS TO THE MOON, pp.18-19, 1938 ...... ...over sixty programs...commercial exhibitors... .......................................................................... John Belt, Design Faculty Studio Phone: 315-312-2867 / voice mail Department of Technology Office Phone: 315-312-2868 / no voice m Oswego State University DEPT FAX-Attn/jb 315-312-3363 Oswego, New York 13126 .......................................................................... cell phone used only when traveling 315-529-5732 > >"Ed Dickerson" wrote in message > >news:bmp783$gul$1@ins22.netins.net... > > > > > >>Hi, I'm looking for Fuller's definition of a human. It goes something > >> > >> > >like: > > > > > >>A twenty-eight jointed, bipedal. . . . > >> > >>Can anyone help me? > >> > >>Ed Dickerson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:31:55 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Wight Biennial exhibit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed um, why didn't you tell us about the reception, for those of us in the Groovy Los Angeles Area? does the installation *say* it's a "randome," or is this just more of your wishful thinking? thus quoth: Anyone near UCLA can see an 11 foot diameter randome outside the Kinross building. Oscar Tuazon and I collaborated on the installation. I'll send pictures soon. Dick From: http://www.arts.ucla.edu/Default.asp?dTbID=1305&page= calendar&calPage=detail&calFr=10/9/2003&calTo=10/9/2003 Thursday, October 9, 2003 Events 2003 Wight Biennial October 9 through November 6, 2003 Open: M T W T F Opening Reception: 5–8 p.m., Oct. 9 New Wight Gallery/Kinross, 103 Kinross Building --Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish? http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/ http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:56:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: bio Comments: To: Gabriel Sroka Comments: cc: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gabriel, Sorry for not replying sooner--I've been working pretty hard on my website. If you are going to spend the time & money to visit Arizona, there's at least three sites you should visit: The Walkup Skydome (502' diam) at Northern Arizona Univ in Flagstaff, AZ: http://www.westernwoodstructures.com/ (click on "Timber Domes" & then scroll to "Northern Arizona Univ" & click on it) The Round Valley Ensphere (440' diam) at the Round Valley High School between Eager & Springerville, AZ: http://www.slettencompanies.com/round_valley_ensphere.htm And the Biosphere II complex near Oracle, AZ: http://www.bio2.edu/ If you decide to visit Arizona, let me know. I've never seen the dome in Flagstaff & Eager; maybe we can tour all three venues together. I'm retired & so my schedule is very flexable. For a list of domes in Arizona see: http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-Arizona.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Sroka" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:06 AM Subject: Re: bio > Joe, > > I'm so jealous that you live close to the Bio2. I've been wanting to go there for a long time. In > fact, this fall, my family and I might make the trip from SoCal. Perhaps I can stop by and visit > you then. > (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:03:39 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Isamu Noguchi's writings Comments: To: marifi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ms Estonilo, The book, Isamu Noguchi: A Sculptor's World, is out of print; however, = the internet used book store, AbeBooks, has at least 17 copies. = Unfortunately, the lowest price seems to be about $83; see: = http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/BookSearchPL Has he considered an inter-library loan? -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: marifi=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: Isamu Noguchi's writings Greetings! I am writing on behalf of Mr Colin Okashimo, who is doing his PhD is = Fine Arts Chelsea, London. One of his readings pertain to Isamu = Noguchi's writings, "A Sculptor's World", which, in our research, turns = out to have a foreword by R. Buckminster Fuller. Would appreciate your kind help in hopefully providing information on = how we could source for the above-titled writing, or if it is available = in R. B. Fuller's text-writings. My apologies for this favor. And my sincere gratitude for your kind = reply. Respectfully, Marifi J. Estonilo (Ms) for Colin Okashimo ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:37:16 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: wight biennial Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oscar Tuazon reports on UCLA randome construction. Pictures when they arrive. Dick Oscar wrote: "When I arrived, the panels were all painted blue and ready to go. I started building according to what we discussed: a randomized arrangement of six spirals from the top. I had a little help painting, but during the riveting I was basically on my own. The riveting was actually more difficult that I anticipated-- just reaching inside to hold the washers in place was sometimes tricky. But it was incredible how quickly the skin rigidified as I moved around the center, adding more panels. And I thought it looked really amazing-- the blue was very nice, and the shape of the cones gave a nice texture." "As I neared the end of the construction, I realized that the structure as I was building it would be approximately 4 meters across, but with a height of only 4 feet or so-- less than the 6 feet I had anticipated. I'm not sure if this had to do with the way I was building, overlapping the edge of one cone about 4 inches from the center of the next cone. But it seemed that if I overlapped the cones closer together (edges touching the center of the next cone), the diameter of the structure would obviously shrink. So I split the difference, and undid two of the seams running the length of the dome to tighten them. The final structure stands more than 4 feet at the apex, and is still 4 meters across, so several people can hang out inside comfortably. Finally, I cut a nice semi-circular doorway into the dome and reinforced it with conduit, laid a new blue tarp over the floor, and placed a small solar-powered garden light by the entrance for good measure, so that you can see inside at night. I came back the next day to find that someone had been hanging out in there reading the paper. Cool." "Even as I was building it, I was afraid that the structure wouldn't support itself-- and I don't think I was the only one. People kept coming by and asking "what is this thing" "when will it be finished?" But it was truly amazing to build a completely random dome!! Parts of the dome are pretty haphazard, somewhat distorted looking blobs, and to me that is what makes it so amazing-- these panels will form into a dome no matter what you do with them!" "So there it is, a big blue randome at UCLA! I'll send pictures as soon as they're developed, and they made a catalogue for the show which has a nice picture of our proposal inside. I hope you're happy with how it went, and I hope you like the pictures. For my part, I had a great time working with you and learned first hand how amazing the randome idea is. I can't wait to do more!" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:50:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: wight biennial Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here is Oscar's original proposal. We later decided using 0.019 aluminum instead of cardboard. Dick Oscar wrote: Wight Biennial Project Proposal temporary, Oscar Tuazon A geodesic randome erected outside the Wight Biennial exhibition extends the exhibition outside-- at the same time, it creates an autonomous area outside the exhibition. The structure, large enough for 2-3 people to sit inside, will provide a comfortable place for a private conversation. Inside the dome, the address of the temporary listserv will be available to anyone interested in participating in an ongoing conversation about experimental shelters. Randomes, developed by dome builder Dick Fischbeck, are a class of spherical geodesic domes using shingled conical panels. Requiring no math in their construction, randomes can be quickly and intuitively assembled into regular or irregular spherical domes. One of the primary applications of randomes proposed by Fischbeck is for use as transitional refugee shelters. Fischbeck’s randomes belong in the sphere of experimental practices at the margins of architecture and planning. Unrecognized beyond a small community of interest, the work of Fischbeck and others like him explores the practical and political potential of small-scale, adaptive housing strategies. The temporary randome, constructed from cardboard, will be a full-scale model and prototype for simply-produced shelters. The temporary listserv aims to address the community of interest that exists around the design and deployment of temporary shelter. Initiated by invitation to online communities devoted to temporary, emergency, and shelter architecture, the list will generate a space of collaboration and exchange. The listserv, which sends member emails to all other members of the list, produces and distributes specific knowledge among a group of participants. The aim of the project is to create and sustain a system of closed circulation that is both available in the context of the Wight biennial and independent from it. Alongside the realization of a functional prototype, the project aims to establish new networks of interconnection and activity. Technical Requirements Linux or OSX hosting capacity for listserv. Recycled cardboard (approx. 200 boxes—randome 8ft. diameter) Listserv Invitees (working list) Dick Fischbeck Icosa Village Joe Moore, Buckminster Fuller Institute Genesis Project, Los Angeles LOT-EK Einar Thorsteinn, Kingdome Steve Baer, Zomeworks Corp. John Belt, SUNY Oswego Design Dept. Lloyd Kahn, editor, Domebook 1 & 2 Simon Velez, architect Clark Richert, painter __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:24:33 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: wight biennial Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii See 1st photo at: http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/ shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=170 Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:59:19 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: wight biennial MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks good so far. Those disks must be kinder and gentler than the square sheets with the sharp corners.. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >See 1st photo at: > >http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/ >shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=170 > >Dick > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > >. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:09:56 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: designobject/fall 2003/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ref: http://www.designobject.com/main/index.html?product=314&catagorys_id=33 An inflatable geodesic pod. Thanks to Webmonkey.com for this link. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:14:13 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: inflatable chair MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ref: http://www.delias.com/cat/html/item.cepl?c=roomwares&XRF=c2&i=53055 Another inflatable treasure. Said to be a chair. Link also from Webmonkey.com. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:16:19 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: designobject/fall 2003/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Very Neat ! When will they be in my Walmart ? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Burkhardt [mailto:bobwb@CHANNEL1.COM] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:10 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: designobject/fall 2003/ Ref: http://www.designobject.com/main/index.html?product=314&catagorys_id=33 An inflatable geodesic pod. Thanks to Webmonkey.com for this link. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:53:18 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: wight biennial Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed did you say it was in front of Kinross, or is it in the back, between the buildings? anyway, i;ve got a use for it: it'll let water through, so make it out of clear stuff, and use it as a greenhouse. mathematically, as you say, it's not even wrong: these are not cones, but you may have opened the way to a science of "post-stressed conoid thingies." so, stop telling folks that they're cones, just because the initial, unstressed elements are. hey, at least, i know that Oscar now has a comprehension of "shingling," or the lack thereof. and tell monsieur Petit! http://groups.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=170 on the wayside, are you working for Hulkboy, the "elected?" --les ducs de Buffet; vote NONE OF THE BELOW on Trickier Dick Cheney's California Recall & e-Dereg! http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3041shultz_arnie.html _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:09:11 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Four-fold Tensegrity Obelisk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ref: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/x4l4obelisk1.html Here's a report on the latest tensegrity obelisk I assembled. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:20:40 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Four-fold Tensegrity Obelisk In-Reply-To: <3F96E3E7.6000408@channel1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob Isn't there a kind of satifaction in building the 1st(I assume) of something? Congrats. Models mean everthing in this business! Dick --- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > Ref: > > http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/x4l4obelisk1.html > > Here's a report on the latest tensegrity obelisk I assembled. > > Bob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:22:27 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Gingerbread Dome Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A Nov '83 Mother Earth News article about how to make a Gingerbread = Dome: http://www.motherearthnews.com/menarch/archive/issues/084/084-026-01.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:49:06 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: Four-fold Tensegrity Obelisk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes it is satisfying, but it takes a lot of energy. I think this design is unique to me. I took a zig-zag design and triangulated it completely. The four-fold symmetry I think is unusual and I think could be useful for the stability the square base lends the structure. I now realize a triangular base is very unstable, real prone to tipping. Models do mean a lot. For me there's a lot of theoretical wheel grinding behind the scenes as well, so I can't say the model is everything. Doing an outdoor model is interesting and has more impact for me than the dowel and fishing-line things I assemble indoors. Bob Dick Fischbeck wrote: >Bob > >Isn't there a kind of satifaction in building the 1st(I assume) of >something? Congrats. Models mean everthing in this business! > >Dick > >--- Bob Burkhardt wrote: > > >>Ref: >> >> >> >> >http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/x4l4obelisk1.html > > >>Here's a report on the latest tensegrity obelisk I assembled. >> >>Bob >> >> > > >_______ > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:30:02 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Four-fold Tensegrity Obelisk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I was going to say the same thing, the other day when a story came out about a 3-wheeled car venture taht went belly-up: it was unstable, and this must be the case for the Dymaxion Car. when you stop to think about it, it's obvious that a tripod is fine for a static/bolted case, but.... thus quoth: I think is unusual and I think could be useful for the stability the square base lends the structure. I now realize a triangular base is very unstable, real prone to tipping. --les ducs de Buffet; vote NONE OF THE BELOW on Trickier Dick Cheney's California Recall & e-Dereg! http://larouchepub.com _________________________________________________________________ Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:18:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: wight biennial MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Quincy You said the dome leaks. Is that a design flaw or assembly flaw. Where will water get in, besides through the rivets, which we did not seal. Dick Oscar Tuazon wrote: The pictures are on the way-- they look really nice I think, a sort of funny shelter in a very odd location, framed by large buildings behind it. I had buckminster fuller in mind while I was building, too-- the history of dome building is of course full of failed experiments, adventurous ideas, and learning-as-you-go. I hope we can start using this list to 'publish' other projects people have done that relate to temporary housing; I have some ideas and will hopefully have some material soon that can be posted and discussed, and that can attract other interested people to the discussion. I'll keep you updated. cool, Oscar __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:48:52 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: wight biennial Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I hadn't looked too hard, and I'd have seen it, if the parkinglot entrance weren't cut off for construction. you've really got to be kidding, about leaking. even if it's powwible that this craft technique can be made into a reasonable structure -- it's kinda hard to say, with that little piece of ... pi -- you still would have to solve the shingling; if that works, then it may not be too difficult. is anyone uwing the listserv, and why would they?... it's just not ready for prime time; maybe you *do* need to learn some math, after all. thus quoth: You said the dome leaks. Is that a design flaw or assembly flaw. Where will water get in, besides through the rivets, which we did not seal. --les ducs d'Enron! http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/ http://larouchepub.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:48:58 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Comments: To: Bob McAlister MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dr McAlister, Please see BFI's Spaceship Earth website: http://www.spaceshipearth.org/ and the sucessor to World Game, O.S.Earth: http://www.osearth.com/ There's nothing like what you describe on TV--yet. Some of the old materials related to the World Game are online; see http://www.bfi.org/worlddesign/index.htm Here's some references about World Game: http://buckminster.info/Index/World.htm (scroll to "Game") Wish I could be of more assistance, -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob McAlister=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 8:47 AM Dear Mr. Moore, Several years ago I read a short article concerning the satellite view = of earth and how nice it would be if there was a TV channel dedicated to = showing the earth from space. Twenty four hours a day you would be able = to turn to this channel and see the view that has been privy only to = space travelers. I'm not sure if it was Stewart Brand or an author in = the Trimtab or someone else. At the time I thought this was a wonderful = idea and as the years pass I wonder if anyone still pursues this idea. = Imagine the possibilities! Geosphere data could be superimposed to = convey all types of information; population, resources, current events, = historical data and trends, weather data, you name it, available 24 = hours a day to anyone with a TV. Please let me know if you know of = anyone who may be pursuing this idea as I am very motivated to be of any = assistance. I am a General Practice physician who has been an avid = follower of Mr. Fuller's ideas and philosophies since the late '70's. = Thank you very much for your time and I hope to hear from you soon. Sincerely, Bob McAlister, M.D. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:54:48 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Fw: making the 4th row of a 3f dome circular and flat Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Please note: Forwarded from bit.listserv.geodesic newsgroup. Replies should be directed to "Kim" with possibly a cc to DomeHome list.) -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: making the 4th row of a 3f dome circular and flat > Does anyone have 3D models of a 3f sphere they can post me? > I want to lengthen the base struts on the 4th row of a 3f dome to make it > flat and circular. > I am trying to calculate angles etc and have inventor 5 but can't get dxf to > import. DWG might be better > Windome and polypro's dxf won't import. > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:17:36 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Four-fold skew tensegrity prism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ref: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/sk4prsm2.html Here's my second attempt to reconstruct a skew 4-fold prism from data in a paper by Motro and collaborators. I didn't manage to completely duplicate all their results, but I think I got closer this time. I think something got garbled when they wrote down the results of their calculations for that particular structure as the figure the show in the paper isn't at all skew and threw off my previous attempt to duplicate their results. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:58:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Dome homes in Spokane, Reno, Prescott, NM, El Paso? Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James, Please see the following lists of domes by state: Washington: http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-W.htm Nevada: http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-Nevada.htm Arizona: http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-Arizona.htm New Mexico: http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-N.htm Texas: http://buckminster.info/Index/Domes-Texas.htm -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:50 AM Subject: Dome homes in Spokane, Reno, Prescott, NM, El Paso? > From: James Waldby > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:07:54 -0800 > > We are in Spokane WA today and wonder if anyone knows > of any great-looking domes here to see. Do Spokane > or WA have any rules relevant to dome building? > > Later we will travel through Reno NV, Prescott Valley > AZ, Mimbres NM, and El Paso TX, should anyone know of > similar info for those towns. > -jiw > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:15:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Carbondale Dome Comments: To: "List, DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A new organization, RBF DOME NFP, trying to preserve Fuller's dome = residence in Carbondale, IL: http://www.buckysdome.org/ -------------------------------------------- Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:48:46 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Shape of Universe to Come (etc.) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm glad to see this research. Big Bang theory is hopelessy circular, as it is! I hope that that farmer, who wants the cropcircle folks to pay him for the ruined soy, posits a method that they might have used. as it is, the "field" of crapcirclology simlply relies on ET, calling this home, when it's as clear as a muddy day in the South of England, that it's the Royal Order of Druids, Bards and Ovates!... (and, so, now you know how the "poll finds biggest English religion is 'Jedi Knights'" was organized: the State Church and its schools, the actual Oxfordian Don authors of Lord of the Rings, Harry-the-Mad Potter and Austin Powers.) note to JS: I deleted teh stuff about Newspeak, as I'm not completely sure that it was directed at you. go & configure. as to Roswell, do you have any idea of the technolgical cache that it *does* have with WW2, for which this ET crap is just a diversion (or denial, as the case could be) ?? Deflated Narcissist wrote in message news:<3F9F137E.F47D7A3D@posting.google.com>... > > abundance of "hard" evidence garnered from Roswell, Kecksburg, and other > > UFO crash sites), is to wallow in a state of denial so all-embracing > > indistinguishable from magic" > > --Sir Arthur C. Clarke >http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/SegalConf.html >Conformal Groups are related to Moebius Transformations > EUPHEMISMS; WEASEL WORDS. >http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/ >((({}))) > ([....]) >When asked if he feels any unease or discomfort at the fact that some >Americans feel the United States was suckered into a war under the false >pretenses of disarming Saddam of weapons of mass destruction, Chalabi >replies, "No. ... We are in Baghdad now." > >Iraqi exile Kanan Makiya, a longtime supporter and advisor of the INC, says >that while he did believe that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the United >States, the primary rationale for war shouldn't have been weapons of mass >destruction. To most Iraqi exiles, Makiya says, the war had a far grander >purpose -- one that more than justifies their efforts to convince the >United States to take on Saddam. > >"We're talking about beginning something in Iraq which eventually changes >the perception of the United States in that part of the world," Makiya >says. "The spread of the idea that the United States is associated with the >liberation of peoples from tyranny. ... The benefit will be that the rest >of the Middle East will suddenly have something upon which to cement >itself, a hope for the future, which it doesn't have at the moment." And >yet, he concedes, "Nothing like this has ever been tried before. ... There >are no rules for what is going on here. ... There are no guarantees." >"The most amazing thing about this whole story is the fact that we can go >out there and try and figure out the shape of the universe," Cornish said. >"... Regardless of what the results are, I think it's great for people to >know this is even a possibility." >http://www.montana.edu/commserv/csnews/nwview.php?article=1304 >Authors: Neil J. Cornish, David N. Spergel, Glenn D. Starkman, Eiichiro >Komatsu >Comments: Submitted to PRL > >The first year data from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe are used >to place stringent constraints on the topology of the Universe. We search >for pairs of circles on the sky with similar temperature patterns along >each circle. We restrict the search to back-to-back circle pairs, and to >nearly back-to-back circle pairs, as this covers the majority of the >topologies that one might hope to detect in a nearly flat universe. We do >not find any matched circles with radius greater than 25 degrees. For a >wide class of models, the non-detection rules out the possibility >that we live in a universe with topology scale smaller than 24 Gpc. > > >1 parsec = 3.2 light years distance >1 Megaparsec (Mpc) = 3.2 light years distance times 1,000,000 >1 Gigaparsec (Gpc) = 3.2 light years distance times 1,000,000,000 > > 24 Gpc = 24 times 3.2 light years times one billion (size) > >76,800,000,000 Light Years!! > > [Uhhhmmm... is that radius or diameter?] > >Our universe, so they say, is 13.7 billion years old since the Big >Bang... > >[[Cosmology Tutorial: >]] > >Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe >WMAP: http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/ > >LAMBDA: Legacy Archive for Microwave Background Data Analysis >http://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/ > "If you got here from the New York Times soccer ball story or the >story about the Nature paper suggesting that the Universe is a >dodecahedron, you'll find our paper ruling it out here. The point is >that the dodecahedron model predics matched circles exactly opposite >each other in the sky just like a bagel (but six pairs instead of one), >which our paper ruled out. See also the more thorough upcoming circle >paper by Spergel, Starkman and Cornish. Soccer enthusiasts will note >that a soccer ball is made up of pentagons and hexagons >and isn't a dodecahedron." > http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~max/wmap.html > >"Angelica de Oliveira-Costa" writes" > http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~angelica/topology.html > "... all toroidal universes (cubes and rectangles) are also ruled >out..." Can the lack of symmetry in the COBE/DMR maps constrain the >topology of the universe? http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/9510109 >Dark Matter, Extra Dimensions Related And Possibly Detectable > A team of scientists that > includes a University of > Florida physicist has > suggested that two of the > biggest mysteries in > particle physics and > astrophysics -- the > existence of extra time > and space dimensions > and the composition of > an invisible cosmic > substance called dark matter -- may be connected. > http://www.spacedaily.com/news/cosmology-03o.html > >Neuroblast Wormhole Behaviorism, a.k.a. > "The Portal", to Dodecahedron Head >http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/mt90.htm >http://www.unknowncountry.com/img/news/092003/ccircle-1.jpg >[...] "Farmer Dale Mark doesn't buy theories aliens from >outer space left the geometric designs etched into his >soybean field. Mark thinks it was the work of pranksters, >and he wants them to pay him $1,200 for the damaged beans >he can't harvest. He said he has no insurance to cover the >loss. 'I think it's people who've done it, myself,' Mark >said. 'I really don't believe in aliens.' He says he's >waiting to see whether anyone comes forward before filing >a report with the sheriff's office. "I'd just like to find >out who it is. I don't want them to do it again.' [...]" --il duce d'Enron! http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3041shultz_arnie.html _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:56:10 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: minimum foam (question on googolplex) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Earth to "Dick Fischbeck of Randome, LLC:" welcome to the Rectal Dysplay Unit -- welcome home! >Neuroblast Wormhole Behaviorism, a.k.a. > "The Portal", to Dodecahedron Head >http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/mt90.htm --les ducs de Buffet; vote NONE OF THE BELOW on Trickier Dick Cheney's California Recall & e-Dereg! http://larouchepub.com _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:30:28 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: minimum foam (question on googolplex) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops; I thought that that might have been this: http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/graphics/pix/Video_Productions/Not_Knot/NKposter.1500.html thus saith: "The Portal", to Dodecahedron Head http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/mt90.htm --ils duces d'Enron! http://www.movisol.org/ http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3042shock_awe_wwii.html http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3040cheney_pirates.html http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3040iraq_witness.html http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3040cleanbreak.html http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3041cody_on_recall.html http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3021synarchism.html http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/ _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:49:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: minimum foam (question on googolplex) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > oops; I thought that that might have been this: > http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/graphics/pix/Video_Productions/Not_Knot/NKposter.1500.html This what-ever-it-is has 6 edges per vertex. Minimum foam has 4 edges per vertex. I'm sure you know this. Are you sending up smoke now? Dick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:56:12 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: LA conference MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii QQQ or any LA synergeticists Why not volunteer! Subject: Call for VOLUNTEERS for BFI's Los Angeles Event! Call for Volunteers! Volunteer opportunities are available at our upcoming event in Los Angeles Nov. 2, from 2 to 6 pm at SCI-Arc. If you would like to be part of the team that makes this event happen, please call Lauren Darges 707-824 2242 or e-mail at lauren@bfi.org (phone call preferred). Volunteer benefits include: - free admission to the event - free Crewmember Spaceship Earth t-shirt - the satisfaction of being part of the event team We need people for: registration, membership table, refreshment table, a time keeper, set up, break down and more. Details for the event are posted again below. Best thoughts, Lauren Darges ______________________________________ The Buckminster Fuller Institute Invites you to attend a unique and inspiring event Sunday, November 2nd from 2-6 pm hosted by the Southern California Institute of Architecture Join us for a lively afternoon to meet the leadership of BFI, connect with a Los Angeles based network of Fuller inspired innovators, and share your work and ideas. Program begins at 3pm. Presentation will include among others: Joshua Arnow, President of the Board of Directors, BFI; Jay Baldwin, design outlaw, educator, author of Bucky Works; Anna Bogdanovich, Emmy-nominated producer, songwriter; Bonnie DeVarco, founder, VLearn3D Initiative; education technology consultant; Terrence Glassman, co-founder, SCIARC, president, DAETRIX; Peter Meisen, founder, GENI project; Celia Pearce, Arts Research Manager/ Associate Director, Game Culture & Technology Lab Cal- (IT)2; Peter Pearce, principal, Pearce Research & Design, author, Structure in Nature Is a Strategy for Design; Victoria Vesna, artist, professor and chair of the department of Design | Media Arts at the UCLA School of the Arts; Greg Watson, VP, Massachusetts Technology Collaborative, former Executive Director, New Alchemy Institute, Board member BFI; Chris Zelov, producer, Ecological Design: Inventing the Future; executive editor, Design Outlaws on the Ecological Frontier refreshments served. sliding scale donation students free SCIARC: 960 East Third Street Los Angeles, CA 90013 RSVP: 707 824 2242 or lauren@bfi.org http://www.bfi.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:04:31 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Zig-Zag Tensegrity Arch Construction Data MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ref: http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/photos/x3l8arch2b.html I haven't assembled this yet. The asymmetry will make it challenging. Scroll to the bottom for the pictures. Bob