From <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-LISTSERV@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Sun Feb 5 03:19:45 1995 Received: from netaxs.com (root@netaxs.com [198.69.186.1]) by access.netaxs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA08612 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 03:19:45 -0500 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu [128.205.2.1]) by netaxs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA02912 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 03:19:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199502050819.DAA02912@netaxs.com> Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9153; Sun, 05 Feb 95 03:19:32 EST Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3751; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 03:19:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 03:19:31 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at UBVM (1.8a)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9208" To: "Christopher J. Fearnley" Status: RO ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1992 22:31:00 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: ALUCKETT@UTOROISE.BITNET Subject: Dome Dwellers We live in a 28 foot, 4 phase, 5/8 dome which we built out of 2x4 and plywood in the early 70's. We finally shingled it with composite shingles when we could beat the leaks with hi-tech solutions. The temperature range here in central Ontario is from -40 (F or C) to 38 C (100 F) [in a real summer] so the dome expands and contracts alot over the year. I'm new to the list. I'd love to hear from other dome dwellers/builders. -- Arleigh Luckett ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1992 00:09:37 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Marshall Gilula Subject: Re: Dome Dwellers I would love to have the privilege of living in a Dome. I have played music with Michael Mitchell, a Bucky devotee who bought Fuller's original Dome in Carbondale, Illinois, and the musical experience was wonderful from both a sonic and an "energetic" point of view. -73- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@newssun.med.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG NeXTMail Welcome Virtual Virtual Realities, German Shepherds, and Steinbergers. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1992 18:49:43 EDT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Trimtab Subject: Re: USENET gating - problems(?) In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:41:42 GMT from Welcome to geodesic. No the discussion has never been limited to geodesic (syn ergetic) geometry and we have run the gamut in our discussions. Pat Salsbury h as been running the list for as long as I've been on (1+ year). We have discus sed future cities, Fuller's new book (Cosmography), Tensegrity, the jitterbug, and any of the thousands of topics that Fuller touched on in his work. Where d oes your interest in Fuller come from and (as my philosophy professor, Peter Ca ws said to me when I wrote "Paradise in a Cardboard Shack" describing Fuller's paperboard dome as a solution to `houselessness') "what are you going to do wit h it?" Has anyone read "GRUNCH of Giants". ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1992 13:56:15 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: OPIRG Subject: Interest (was: Re: USENET gating - problems(?)) In article BDAMICO@GWUVM.BITNET (Trimtab) writes: > ... Where does >your interest in Fuller come from and (as my philosophy professor, Peter Ca >ws said to me when I wrote "Paradise in a Cardboard Shack" describing Fuller's >paperboard dome as a solution to `houselessness') "what are you going to do >with it?" About seven years ago, my uncle lent me a copy of Fuller's autobiography. Suffice it to say he never got it back. I was instantly facinated by what he wrote about, his engineering and architecture, and his philosophy. I read the book so much that the binding wore out, and I still read the 'loosleaf' copy (much more convenient for presentations, copying drawings, etc...) I have, unfortunatly, since read few works, either by or about him, the primary exception being _Fuller's Earth: a day with Bucky and the kids_ (title from memory), which I also enjoyed immensly. I have done many projects about his work, and constructed (or attempted to construct) many models, largly of domes. These, however, were frequently unsuccessful, partially due to lack of any good materials (toothpicks and peas just don't seem very durable), and partially because I have little idea about the math involved. This list may serve as an adequate remedy to the latter problem. I too am interested in how others 'discovered' Fuller's work. Christopher Allen (wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1992 16:58:15 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Unregistered Shareware User From: Gary Lawrence Murphy Subject: Bucky Brainstorms In-Reply-To: <92Aug6.195741edt.10238@mail.uunet.ca> (Gary Lawrence Murphy) In <92Aug6.195741edt.10238@mail.uunet.ca> (Trimtab ) writes: > Where does your interest in Fuller come from and (as my philosophy > professor, Peter Caws said to me when I wrote "Paradise in a > Cardboard Shack" describing Fuller's paperboard dome as a solution > to `houselessness') "what are you going to do with it?" I'll take this! (it is very good to see 'Trimtab' on this list! Where can we get a copy of that paper?) My own first exposure to Fuller came through composer John Cage's books, which lead to Marshal McLuhan's and Bucky as natural progressions --- to a young kid from Winnipeg, this trio was to ever caste me among the wierd-of-thought ;-) ... I later discovered Sun Ra and the cast was set in stone :-) I didn't much consider Fuller other than for his economics theories and a few of his smaller books (the epic poem on Industrialization among them), but I tinkered with domes of my own figuring, somewhat unsuccessfully, and wondered if tensegrities, from bamboo poles and fibre rope, might not be a solution to 3rd World homelessness (that was until I attempted my first 'crude-precission' tensegrity ;-) Later in my career, I met with John Cage over some plans of his for software, and discovered his room mate at the time was another Bucky fan, having worked extensively building tensegrity-based instruments (using transducers to pick up the symmetric vibrations) --- I was mostly tickled to be working with Cage and any excuse was Just Fine By Me. We never actually got that software project going (his usual programmer came back on-line :-( ), but Cage did introduce me to Udo Kasemets, a champion of the Synergetics cause in the architecturally bland city of Toronto. This was the premier collaboration of my career! Udo and I have worked on a number of Fuller-based expositions, including his geo(sono)scope world-sound-inventory, a computer controlled 2-meter diameter LED girded earth with 15 tapeloop input, tetrahedral quad output computer coordinated sound mixer --- we ran out of money several times, but the beast _is_ limpingly operational in his Toronto studio (if anyone knows an interested buyer :-). When I met him, Udo was teaching Experimental Art at the Ontario College of Art, and this really meant teaching kids about Bucky --- the rest follows naturally. During the course of our main collaborations, I read a lot of Fuller, obtained the Hugh Kenner books and learned how to really make model domes, and also had the tremendous benefit of Udo's long experience with all aspects of Fuller's works. After his retirement from OCA, we became very busy with Real Projects for several years (including another shot at geo(sono)), and even came very close to organizing a Symposium of Synergetics in the Arts (until the minister responsible for our funding became embroiled (and later aquitted) with some sort of scandal :-(. Unfortunately, my programming work drew me away from Toronto to the wilds of Ottawa, and later our respective lady-friends both fell into devestating conditions; our collaborations are in a temporary limbo, but our intentions remain. > Has anyone read "GRUNCH of Giants". Yes and has anyone heard any further developments on the possible link between the electrical grids of East and West across the Bering Straight? After that last 'war', Grunch makes most scary reading. On related themes, and for those of you new to all this it might make a good start, I thoroughly enjoyed "Ideas and Integrities" as an overview of Buckythink. One Christmas I also found five copies of "Tetrascroll" in a remaindered-book store and gave them out as gifts, making an easy five new converts :-) well, 71 lines of this is enough for anyone to suffer through... Anyone else want to add to the thread? ps anyone know what's happening with the Old Man River project? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy -- garym@maya.isis.org -- (613) 230-6255 -------------------------------------------- "The present moment is a powerful goddess." - Goethe ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:20:10 CDT Reply-To: mcnamara@mgi.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: mcnamara@VIXVAX.MGI.COM Subject: Minimal Systems? I have been wondering lately what the minimal system is. It seems clear that it is an entity distinct from its environment, implying a boundary and some energy (information) exchange across the boundary. Fuller (in _Synergetics_, vol 1, sect 400) states quite clearly that a system has to have four components (tetrahedral) or more. These components would appear to be the "nodes" of the tetrahedron, and the interconnections between the nodes (six total) could represent some internal structure. For an example, the physical components of a control system could be represented by the nodes (comparator, reference, input function, and output function), and the information/energy flow between these components the tetrahedral interconnections. In this representation the connection (s) to the external world (system boundary) is not obvious (it is implicit). Anyone out there have comments? Can you think of a better mapping to the tetrahedron than a control system? How can the connection to the external world be made more explicit? Curt **************************************************************************** Curt McNamara (mcnamara@mgi.com) |"The present would be full of all Mgmt. Graphics, Inc. |possible futures, if the past had 1401 E. 79th St. |not already projected a pattern Mpls., MN 55425 |upon it." Andre Gide ****************************************************************************