From <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-LISTSERV@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Sun Feb 5 03:20:02 1995 Received: from netaxs.com (root@netaxs.com [198.69.186.1]) by access.netaxs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA08657 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 03:20:02 -0500 Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu [128.205.2.1]) by netaxs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA02950 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 03:20:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199502050820.DAA02950@netaxs.com> Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7686; Sun, 05 Feb 95 03:19:45 EST Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3779; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 03:19:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 03:19:42 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at UBVM (1.8a)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9311" To: "Christopher J. Fearnley" Status: RO ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 08:53:35 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: MR BRUCE A JOHNSON no mail info ? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 11:15:04 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Jeff Weiner Subject: Octet Design Does anyone know of any PD/sharware programs available for designing octet trusses? Jeff Weiner jeff@ican.com Fido 1:115/738 * Origin: I CAN! BBS * (ican.com) * 312-736-7388 (1:115/738) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 22:18:42 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 4D Solutions Subject: 4D Lives! Feedback from a reader of GLOSAS NEWS The Electronic Bulletin of GLOSAS/USA and Simulation in the Service of Society Email distribution: GLOSAS@vm1.mcgill.ca ISSN-1188-6307 Vol.II No.3 November 1993 From Kirby Urner 4D Solutions pdx4d@igc.org > With regard to development of international "peacegaming," > directors of the project have already spoken with U.S. military > institutes about adapting state-of-the-art wargame strategies for > peacekeeping purposes and have been thus far favorably received. > Needless to say, the ambitious scope of the 2GMO [2nd Generational > Multinational Forces] project lends itself ideally to the > communication capabilities that we are all seeking to develop, > to global networks realizing a "virtual consensus" leading to > real cooperation. FROM Sarah Lum Project Coordinator of the US-Russian Teleconferencing Project at Brown University Providence, Rhode Island lums@brownvm.brown.edu Feedback: Wondering if you're aware of the World Game Institute with its far less sophisticated peacegaming approach. Less sophisticated except insofar as its world map interface, which many of us feel is replete with desirable futuristic connotations, not to mention real advantages. minimal distortion including in high latitudes no sinus cuts into land masses apolitically polar-centric hardwired in the literature to civilian deployment strategies on a scale that would arm-chair military masterminds feel right @ home World Game sells its Global Recall software which shows data on the map -- the deflated, unfolded, orthonormal, omnitriangulated icosaspheric projection. DISCLAIMER: I am not in any way connected or affiliated with the World Game Institute. This is not to be construed as a sales pitch by a party with a direct or even indirect financial interest in success of World Game, Inc. ******************************************* > NEWIDEA simulates the consequences of alternative approaches that > the environmentalists might use in transmitting their new idea to > the society....Many of the model runs indicate that quick aggressive > action is counterproductive and leads to an "immune" response by the > public. However, early concentrated activity of this sort > generates social debate and also provides valuable experience for > the group. A gradual, gentle approach that may appear optimal > actually results in backlash also, in this case from public > boredom with the issue. > > Under another strategy, the action group devotes a large amount > of time and energy on a few recruits to increase their > effectiveness and insure against their reversion to the old > views. This strategy works quite well within the model. FROM Book Review: Managing a Nation - The Microcomputer Software Catalog, 2nd edition, Gerald O. Barney, W. Brian Kreutzer, and Martha J. Garrett eds. Reviewer John McLeod in E-S3, Vol.2, No.4, Part One, section MISSION EARTH Feedback: Some of my colleagues sharing via GEODESIC@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (a mail reflector) have been doing realtime strategizing where NEWIDEA="global design science revolution". Fuller's hypothesis was that lag times in social acceptance of new artifacts is a function of a natural gestation rate associated with different technological arenas e.g. novelty electronics proceed from drawing boards to end-users in a matter of years, whereas adoption of fundamental changes in household architecture is measured in decades. Obviously changes occur along different scales (geologic thru atomic). Some NEWIDEAs people have latched onto come with glacial-paced agendas that no amount of cleverness in strategy will accelerate beyond a top limit. Wondering if feedback loops might have a way of simulating this range in scales. ******************************************* > Some content on intercontinental ballistic missiles is included, and > an explanation of MIRVed warheads (Multiple Independent Re-entry > Vehicles). The program allows role playing of nuclear command and > control procedures, giving students first-hand experience with issues > related to nuclear decision-making. Small experiments can be carried > out on the effects of different types of decision information > (ethical, rational, superior orders) in political and military > applications...Through the Telnet system for bitnet/internet sites, > the program should be accessible internationally, and as close as the > nearest computer terminal. It also works very well as a participatory > demonstration after viewing the short National Film Board of Canada's > documentary "Push Button Weapons". > For further information or to obtain the telnet address and account > number to access the program, contact FROM Dr. Craig Summers, Department of Psychology, Laurentian University, Ramsey Lake Road, Sudbury, Ontario P3E 2C6 CANADA Feedback: Just returned from a conference on the still-present danger of nuclear warfare in the post-Cold War Era, held at MIT/Cambridge over the Halloween weekend (sponsored by AFSC and a number of other orgs). Dr. Sergei Rogov, Deputy Director, Institute for USA and Canadian Studies thinks its only a matter of time before the Ukrainian whiz-kids crack the security codes on the Russian nukes -- unless they accept nuclear free status in exchange for a more promising future. Daniel Ellsberg recommends fingerprinting all nuke inventories now (using some new-fangled tagging system), and establishing an clearinghouse for tracking them. Note, this is not a simulation. Comments on feedback? email Kirby Urner pdx4d@igc.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 16:24:41 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Gartner Subject: Re: 4D Lives! PLease remove me from the list ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 02:35:34 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Alan R Glasser Subject: Works of Buckminster Fuller I have enjoyed reading the works and Buckminster Fuller. Do you have a list so that I may purchase them and/or get them thru the public or univeristy library. Thanks ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 19:32:00 LCL Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gary_Booker@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM [Text item: Text_1] subscribe Gary_Booker@Intersolv.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 22:59:22 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 4D Solutions ACK ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 23:00:22 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 4D Solutions query geodesic ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 15:48:12 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 4D Solutions Subject: 4D Lives! Greetings friends in GEODESIC land. Are we a quiet crew, or what? Was chatting with Russ Chu the other night -- he's a long time BFI affiliate and good with hands-on artifact-making. Worked with Terry Gwilliam on tensegrity furniture & stuff... Anyway, I was asking him about the GENESIS II in the LA area. A dozen domes (looks like 1 doz. eggs?) sits by the freeway, sheltering the homeless. NPR (Natl Public Radio) did a spot the other evening. Russ says American Temporary Shelter, Inc. is behind those fiberglass domes, which appear to be about 5/8ths of an icosasphere -- I don't know what frequency. Has this crew already hashed threw Genesis II in previous mail? I'd be 'preciative of further details. NPR said homeless around the country were praying this model community would be a success. -- Kirby pdx4d@igc.apc.org PS/private: re: ACK, query etc. thanks for the tip, Townsend. I got it right a few minutes later. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 05:12:12 +0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bruce Ward Subject: Re: 4D Lives! In-Reply-To: On Sat, 20 Nov 1993, 4D Solutions wrote: > Greetings friends in GEODESIC land. Are we a quiet crew, or what? >=20 > Was chatting with Russ Chu the other night -- he's a long time BFI > affiliate and good with hands-on artifact-making. Worked with > Terry Gwilliam on tensegrity furniture & stuff... >=20 > Anyway, I was asking him about the GENESIS II in the LA area. > A dozen domes (looks like 1 doz. eggs?) sits by the freeway, > sheltering the homeless. >=20 > NPR (Natl Public Radio) did a spot the other evening. Russ says > American Temporary Shelter, Inc. is behind those fiberglass domes, > which appear to be about 5/8ths of an icosasphere -- I don't know > what frequency. >=20 > Has this crew already hashed threw Genesis II in previous mail? > I'd be 'preciative of further details. NPR said homeless around the > country were praying this model community would be a success. >=20 > -- Kirby > pdx4d@igc.apc.org >=20 Kirby, I'd like to know more about those homeless shelters, too. Like, Size, Frequency, Cost, and Source? Are they readily available for other communities? How is the interior finished? Etc. Thanks in ad=F8=C4vance f= or any data you can share. Bruce Ward =20 bward@nermal.santarosa.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 12:58:03 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: 4D Lives! Bruce Ward asks about the size, frequency, cost and source of GENESIS II shelters for the homeless. Responding to my earlier message. The cost, as I hear from NPR (Natl Public Radio) is about $6500 per unit. Russell Chu guessed the diameter to bewg/b"~H!F+C;AD*v -b6NDqRb=ioC%j3 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 13:00:06 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: 4D Lives! Sorry about that last message folks. Someone picked up the other phone and when I tried to terminate it slipped out over the wire. Anyway, as I was saying, GENESIS II domes cost about $6500 apiece. Hoping to hear more from the more informed. -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 22:13:55 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: sally bujold Subject: Energy Generation fron the Sea (fwd) Hello Bucky fans-- New to the list myself I found the following Marine question right up the alley of an interest of mine. Did Fuller write/talk/work with any Maritime subjects? I would like to find more thoughts on long term energy conserving/generating travel on water. What would be the live aboard sailboat of the future? Are ther viable options for remote navigation of smaller floating objects like bouys/sculpture? Thanks for any leads-- Sally ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 20:26:48 +0200 From: baskin lester To: Multiple recipients of list MARINE-L Subject: Energy Generation fron the Sea Hi. I'm looking for any information, experts in the field, leads to the creation - conversion - of the ocean's wave energy into a viable commodity. Of particular interest is "capturing" the sea's vertical and horizontal wave energy to generate energy via a generator. Any help and/or pointer will be most appreciated. Thanks in advance. Please send all responses to me directly at: whart01@ccsg.tau.ac.il and not to the list as I am not a current subscriber to this list. Best Regards, Lester Baskin whart01@ccsg.tau.ac.il ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 11:41:20 EST Reply-To: ae610@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brady Thompson Subject: Re: 4D Lives! There was a short article on the project GENESIS II reprinted in the Toronto Sta r from a LA Times article. As I recall, the cost of the units was about $8,000 U.S. and the interior lining was ferro-concrete. -- Brady Thompson The longest journet ae610@freenet.carleton.ca begins with the or THOMPSB@gov.on.ca shortest step ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 16:08:13 -0700 Reply-To: testpop@UCSD.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was mfulmer@POPMAIL.UCSD.EDU From: Marjorie Fulmer Please let me know if this list is still in existence. I subscribed about a week ago, but haven't seen any activity on the list? Marjorie Fulmer mfulmer@ucsd.edu