From MAILER-DAEMON@netaxs.com Sat Apr 26 23:50:27 1997 Return-Path: <> Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.57]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA21461 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 23:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704270350.XAA21461@access.netaxs.com> Received: (qmail 1851 invoked from network); 27 Apr 1997 03:50:11 -0000 Received: from listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 27 Apr 1997 03:50:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 23:50:09 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Buffalo (1.8c)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG9603" To: cjf@NETAXS.COM Status: O ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:38:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Burr Subject: Re: Using DOME 4.2 output in CAD systems In-Reply-To: <199602240153.UAA17216@crucible.inmind.com> from "James Fischer" at Feb 23, 96 08:53:23 pm Thanks James for your comments... they are very helpful and truely appreciated. > Yes, works great from Dome to Microstation. I refuse > to use AutoCad on artistic grounds, so I have not used > AutoCad since "AutoCad For Windows" came out and convinced > me that AutoDesk needs a cranial-rectal extraction. I'm using an even lower quality system than AutoCad - can't afford it for my limited usage. Wish I could use our CATIA system at work but that's a real big NO-NO. > suggest that you output the FULL SPHERE, and delete the parts that > you do not need. Recall that you are dealing with surfaces rather > that an empty "wireframe" framework, so rendering as "filled solids" > can help you to see "where" you are, and prevent errors caused by > clicking on the "far" side of the structure when you wanted the > "near" side. Yes, I'm playing around with this idea too - but it appears that the sphere is rotated slightly so that you can't simply cut the sphere in half along the normal XZ plane. It seems to require a rotation and without knowing the exact degrees it's proving very awkward to get it exact. I need it exact because I'm scaleing it up to 60' and don't want to be off by more than 1/8th inch. > No software will ever be able to compress information to the > extent a human female does when she merely raises an eyebrow. Pretty funny... and oh so true - Lempel-Ziv you've met your match! ------------ Michael Burr: mburr@coho.halcyon.com Renaissance Man wannabe ---- Have you hugged your planet today? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:11:04 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: eric steven sommer Subject: Stewards Planetary House Dear People, I believe that the following information about the `just-being-born' Stewards Planetary House will be of special interest to all those who seek to learn from, and to extend, Buckminster Fuller's work on behalf of `spaceship earth'. THE STEWARDS PLANETARY HOUSE "Whenever you are in doubt...apply the first test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man (or woman) whom you may have seen, and ask yourself if the step you contemplate is going to be any use to him. Will he gain anything from it? Will it restore him to a control over his own life and destiny? True development puts first those that society puts last". - Mahatma Gandhi. Dear People, The Stewards Planetary House is now seeking organizers/members to establish itself as a new way of life for underclass or poor people throughout the planet. We are particularly interested at this time in connecting with interested people in the Vancouver, B.C. Canada area, and in North America generally, although inquiries from interested people anywhere are welcomed. (Our internet address is: esommer@direct.ca) The Stewards Planetary House (SPH) is a new inquiry-based way of life, social movement, and planetary institution which we refer to as `the other way to live'. The purpose of the SPH is to organize the planetary underclass - beginning with ourselves - as the `Stewards' or caretakers of the world. Stewards work together to build the Stewards Planetary House as their `organized planetary intelligence' - a planet-wide `house of the underclass' which is: a) planetarily-networked ; b) informationally-integrated; c) locally land-based, and d) available to, and at the service of, unemployed people, working poor people, members of the `non-traditional' highly-educated underclass, and all others throughout the planet who may be won over to Stewardship or caring for the earth. Stewards work together through the SPH to meet one another's material, self-esteem, and higher-level spiritual and creative needs, while simultaneously caring for the world and its beings. The elements of the Stewards `household intelligence' include the following: A) `The Stewards Code' This is a code of conduct and communication designed to enable Stewards to inquiringly work together to discover - and to enact - patterns of interaction through which they can best promote one another's being, together with that of the planet. This code is built, and amended as needed, by the Stewards themselves. All members of the Stewards Planetary House are distinguished by their adherence to this code, which serves them as a `planetary linking language' for `communication, collaboration, and co-ordination' with one another and with the world. B) The socio-political organization of poor or underclass people - beginning with ourselves - into local `Steward's Houses'. These houses are the local `instantiation' of the Stewards Planetary house. They are not primarily physical structures. They are rather informationally-integrated, extended-family-like `social units of co-operation' which in certain respects resemble the traditional `noble houses' such as `The House of Windsor' found in Europe. C) Acquisition of local land in each area as geographic `bases' for the Planetary Stewards House. The Stewards strategy may be paraphrased as `converge locally; connect globally'. The land basis of Stewardship supports the Stewards' houses in achieving stable life, subsistence or livelihood, Stewardship management of the land, contact with the natural world, and space to build planetary information linkages. D) The informational networking together of the entire Steward's Planetary House. The emerging `planetary information system' is an integral part of the Stewards Planetary House. In-depth informational networking, advanced data-basing, CSCW computer-supported co-operative work), and CSCL (computer-supported co-operative learning) are key features of the Stewards Planetary House. Network and other informational technologies will be used to connect Stewards for `communication, collaboration, and co-operation', in their joint planetary endeavor to become increasingly able to care for and promote one another's being together with that of the land and the planet. This `informationing' together of the Stewards forms a key part in: 1) Connecting all members of each local Stewards house; 2) Connecting all members of all houses within the planetary house; 3) Connecting all members of all houses with the entire planetary underclass, and with all other people, beings, resources, and potentialities of the planet as a whole. E) Stewards work together through the SPH to build a new kind of `Networked Wholistic Service Economy' - an economy which replaces the traditional socialist `labour theory of value' , and the western capitalist `utility theory of value', with the collaborative endeavor to discover, create, and deliver `being values' to one another. Stewards work together through the SPH to meet one another's material, self-esteem, and higher-level spiritual and creative needs, while simultaneously caring for the world and its beings. F) A flexible inquiry-based program of `Total Human Development' for all Stewards. This program involves the total physical, mental, emotional and spiritual development of human beings. It is an inquiry-based endeavor, whose essential goal is that of discovering - and enacting - methods which optimally enhance the functioning of individual Stewards, while simultaneously amplifying their ability to interact or work together to care for - and to promote - one another's being, together with that of the planet. Network technology, advanced data-basing, CSCL (computer-supported co-operative learning), and other information technologies will all eventually be used to support both research and delivery in this area. Traditional as well as new `leading-edge' methods of personal development will be made available. G) Political action in support of all legitimate poor people's rights. These rights include subsistence or survival rights to adequate food, shelter, clothing, transportation, as well as sufficient access to information and social institutions to allow normal participation in cultural life. The SPH aims to enable any group of poor people, anywhere on the planet, to link-up with the SPH - and to work together through their own local `Steward's Houses'. The ultimate purpose of the SPH is to form the organized, planetary intelligence of Underclass Stewardship. Detailed works on the central role of openness and inquiry in Stewardship, and on the philosophical, economic, political, spiritual, communicative, informational, and other aspects of Stewardship are available free on request. If you would like to join us, or if you would like to enter into dialogue with us, we can be reached at esommer@direct.ca We particularly need people with information technology-related capabilities such as computer programming skills; people with land access/land management skills; people with participatory-democratic management skills; and people with skills related to education and total human development. However, all people, regardless of their skills, are welcome to inquire about our planet-wide-house in the-making. Addendum: Two points which may require clarification. 1. What is meant by the Stewards' `organized planetary intelligence'? The `organized planetary intelligence' of the Stewards is made-up of: 1) the individual Stewards, together with 2) all of the means which they employ to increase their ability to hear and see and know one another and to work with one another, as well as the other beings of the world, in order to care for and promote one another's being together with that of the other beings of the world. This conception has many practical implications - including a powerful new approach to the nature of economic value and its practical creation. 2. What is the link between the planetary underclass and Stewardship? The spirit of the underclass/stewardship link is exemplified in the quote from Ghandi at the beginning of this document. Stewardship involves caring for the world including all of its beings - human, natural, and divine. Underclass people, a category which many of us fit into whether we like it or not, are a high proportion of the world's population. Underclass people are also generally the segment of the population most in need. So compassionate Stewardship requires creation of a `vehicle' - which we call the Stewards Planetary House - which underclass people can use to care for and to nurture one another together with the planet. Alongside this `special concern' with underclass people, however, the door of the Stewards House is also open to all people who sincerely wish to practice Stewardship. Another reason for emphasizing the underclass is that it is one of the fastest expanding sectors on the Earth. The modern underclass is by no means restricted to the `rough people' or `people of the street'. They are, in fact, by far its smallest part. Rather, the underclass is composed of all of the working poor, of formerly middle class people being driven down into the base of society, of highly-skilled and highly-educated people subsisting on part-time or low-paid/low-skill service sector work, of people living on state transfer payments such as welfare or UIC, and many others. This underclass sector is expanding partially with breathtaking speed partially because of the very information technologies which form, along with the land, such an integral part of the Steward's Planetary House. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:27:37 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Ferrocement question ? There has been some interest in making integrated solar collector/thermal storage water tanks out of ferrocement. Here are some books that may be helpful to anyone who wants to try that... 1. Swamy, R. N., Ferrocement 8/94 Van Nostrand Reinhold 0442304900 TXT $99.95 2. Daniel, J. I./Shah, Thin Section Fiber Reinforced Concrete and Ferrocement (Sp 124), 6/88 Amer Concrete Inst 9991045074 PAP $66.75 3. ACI Committee 549, Guide for the Design Construction and Repair of Ferrocement, 6/88 Amer Concrete Inst 9990534136 PAP $21.95 4. Watt, Simon B., Septic Tanks and Aqua-Privies from Ferrocement 10/84 Intermediate Technology Pubns Ltd 0903031957 PAP $11.50 5. Watt, Simon B., Ferrocement Materials and Applications (Sp 61) 6/79 Amer Concrete Inst 9999026613 PAP $57.95 6. Watt, S. B. Ferrocement Water Tanks and Their Construction (118P) 6/78 Intermediate Technology Pubns Ltd 0903031515 PAP 793056260 $9.75 7. Tucker, Robert, Fitting Out: Ferrocement Hulls 10/77 Beekman Pub, Inc. 0846410974 TXT OP $34.95 8. Abercrombie, Stanley Ferrocement, Building With Cement, Sand and Wire Mesh 7/77 Schocken Books Inc 0805236430 TRD OP 76604888480 $12.95 9. Bingham, Bruce, Ferro-Cement: Design, Technique and Application 1984 Cornell Maritime 0-87053-317-8 PAP $28 10. Whitener, Jack R., Ferro-Cement Boat Construction 1971 0-87033-140-Y $7.50 Nick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:55:22 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: Stewards Planetary House eric steven sommer writes: >Dear People, >I believe that the following information about the `just-being-born' >Stewards Planetary House will be of special interest to all those who seek >to learn from, and to extend, Buckminster Fuller's work on behalf of >`spaceship earth'. i shall try to read the rest, but for now i just have to tell you that the homless in Holland, in some cities, have thier news paper. in Utrech they are selling it in the street to make some money. of course the usual way to solveproblem is by creating problems and waste. it is realy quite bizzar to see that every effort is going in reverse side, just read few newspapers and watch a little T.v. anyway, now i tink they have been selling for more than8 months and they are still in the street. this proves that realy the business is in power, and the goverment cant do nothing- they assume that if they can protest they can force them, it is not yet conclusive. now you have to remember that 1/2 the building where you can see the homless are empty. one time i wanted to make a video about empty buildings and homlesness and add little bit about the shops which are full of goods stored, just like money in a safe. are you familiar with los Angels project, using 3 or more domes to take care of the homless in intown L.A i shall try to see if i can connect the manger of the project in Utrech to your organization. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:25:47 GMT+0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Venter, Dawie" Organization: Denel Informatics, Cape Reg Office Subject: Geodesics outside USA? Hi All, I am wondering how much geodesic dome building activity is being carried out in other parts of the world? If I'm not mistaken, about 98% of the information pertaining to dome building, I've seen on this group, eminates from the "States". Surely there must be some dome building activity elsewhere in the world? If not, this could be an interesting phenomena to explore. Is it because being on-line is not as prevalent elsewhere, or don't other citizens like domes, or has'nt the Bucky "crusade" reached those parts of the world yet? Let's hear it from "domers" (short for dome builders) from other parts of the world. The response may point out the "geodesically speaking" dark contnents of the world :-) Regards from Dawie Venter (Cape Town, South Africa) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 08:45:10 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Ferrocement question ? In-Reply-To: <4h5qr9$95q@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>; from "Nick Pine" at Feb 29, 96 10:27 pm Nick, Thanks for all the ferrocement references. There seems to be quite a bit of interest in ferrocement technology. Looks like a ferrocement poopsheet will need to be pulled together one of these days, and placed on someone's web pages for easy reference. Joe -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:30:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: eric steven sommer Subject: Re: Stewards Planetary House Thank you for your information. If you can open a communications channel between the people in Utrech and ourselves, that would be appreciated. As you will see if you read all of the introductory document you received from us, the modern underclass - from our perspective - includes both street people and the homeless. But they are by far its smallest part. Rather, the underclass is composed of all of the working poor, of formerly middle class people being driven down into the base of society, of highly-skilled and highly-educated people subsisting on part-time or low-paid/low-skill service sector work, of people living on state transfer payments such as welfare or UIC, and many others. This underclass sector is expanding partially with breathtaking speed partially because of the very information technologies which form, along with the land, such an integral part of the Steward's Planetary House. Please keep in touch, Eric. >eric steven sommer writes: > >>Dear People, > >>I believe that the following information about the `just-being-born' >>Stewards Planetary House will be of special interest to all those who seek >>to learn from, and to extend, Buckminster Fuller's work on behalf of >>`spaceship earth'. > >i shall try to read the rest, but for now i just have to tell you >that the homless in Holland, in some cities, have thier news paper. >in Utrech they are selling it in the street to make some money. >of course the usual way to solveproblem is by creating problems >and waste. >it is realy quite bizzar to see that every effort is going in >reverse side, just read few newspapers and watch a little T.v. > >anyway, now i tink they have been selling for more than8 months >and they are still in the street. this proves that realy the >business is in power, and the goverment cant do nothing- they >assume that if they can protest they can force them, it is >not yet conclusive. > >now you have to remember that 1/2 the building where you can see >the homless are empty. one time i wanted to make a video about >empty buildings and homlesness and add little bit about the >shops which are full of goods stored, just like money in a safe. > >are you familiar with los Angels project, using 3 or more domes >to take care of the homless in intown L.A > >i shall try to see if i can connect the manger of the project >in Utrech to your organization. >Tagdi > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:14:27 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Procrastination; Idea in Head, Wrench in Hand One of the things that I most admire about Bucky is that he was a real DOER. He was a man with "IDEA IN HEAD, WRENCH IN HAND". For this reason I post a list of reasons about why we procrastinate. With the type of goals that Bucky set, I think he would feel guilty if he procrastinated. He is also really disciplined, which can come with practice. I hope this is a reminder to all of us. WHY WE PROCRASTINATE 1. Things are too big. Don't know where to start.Overwhelming. Break it down. 2. Fear of Failure. If you don't try you won't fail. 3. Things are Unpleasant. Related to first two. Just do it. 4. Perfection Paralysis. Want to do it right so wait for right time. 5. Old Habits. You always procrastinate. WHICH REASON ARE YOU USING NOW? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:03:49 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: eric steven sommer Subject: Use of Fuller's work by underclass or poor people. Dear People, Does anyone know of applications of Fuller's theoretical principals - or use of his design inventions such as geodesic domes - by poor or underclass people to address their housing or other needs? I am a member of the Stewards Planetary House, which is now seeking to establish itself as a new way of life for underclass and poor people throughout the planet. We have a unique and coherent program - a program through which underclass and poor people can become increasingly able to work together to meet one another's basic material, self-esteem, and higher level creative and spiritual needs. Housing, in both rural and urban settings, is of course a primary concern for us. And I suspect that Bucky Fuller may have something to teach us in this area. Sincerely, Eric. P.S. Further information is available by e-mail to anyone interested in our work. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:09:31 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mike Markowski Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Subject: Re: Dymaxion Map Flag In article , bill paton wrote: >I would be interested in getting a Flag (Various sizes) with the Dymaxion >map. It seems to me to be the perfect map promoting a new world, since it >is apolitical (unlike the United Nations Flag) and it shows the entire >world. Anyone else interested in this before I submit the idea to the >Buckminster Fuller Institute? I think it's a great idea. Out of curiosity, why do you consider the UN flag to be political? Mike -- Mike Markowski http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~markowsk/ PGP Public Key http://world.std.com/~franl/pgp/pgp-keyservers.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:51:33 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Eric S Peltier Organization: University of Minnesota Subject: Re: Ferrocement question ? could someone be so kind as to describe in a few sentences what exactly "Ferrocement" is? And, if you have the time, it's advantages? Be as specific as you want, I'm a civil student. Feel free to just mail it to me or post it. Thanks! -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Eric Peltier pelt0007@gold.tc.umn.edu http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/g337/pelt0007 +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:39:14 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: Re: syn-l: modeling technique Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com tagdi: >i hope that you are talking about just normal models, and not tensgrity. yes, i'm talking about 'normal' models that involve rigid struts connected at flexible joints. of course, tensegrity is everywhere. with straw & elastic models, the tension lines just happen to be *inside* the compression struts. with the technique i suggest, the rubber bands are the tension lines, and they would run right along the outside of the compression struts. fuller's 'tensegrity models' are the ones where the tension lines are seperated from the compression struts. design science toys has a kit called 'tensegritoy' which is good for this - but again they are rather spendy (about a dollar a strut). gerald's 'struck' program also does tensegrity, because the vectors are springs. when the springs are at 'rest length', they work just like 'non'-tensegrity models. >zoomtool is expensive i think, but they say it is the best. i've heard about zometool, and it does look quite interesting. it is pretty expensive - the design science toys catalog lists it as $35 for 96 struts and 25 connectors. less expensive than some models. the connector is a plastic ball with icosahedral symmetry. there are holes in the balls at the icosa vertices, edges, and faces - a total of 62 holes. unless i'm somehow mistaken, i believe the icosahedral symmetry therefore precludes the building of tets, octs, IVM, etc. with the zometool. also, the joints wouldn't be flexible with these connectors. >children rather build models with kandy than any models manufactured >up to now. gumdrops and toothpicks is a great, cheap technique, but it has its limitations as well. the gumdrops don't make for very flexible joints, and i think it would be hard to make large, complex models. i'm basically looking for the 'legos' of synergetics. i want to be able to easily build some outlandishly wild artifacts... and i believe kids would want to, as well. there's probably a way to engineer something that would be a lot better than the clip/straw/rubberband technique, but i wouldn't want the result to be too expensive. people should be able to buy a huge amount of building materials for, say, thirty bucks. -k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:09:35 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: geodesic buckminster (fwd) Please send your reply to netnews@sift.stanford.edu. writes: > From hotpage.stanford.edu!no-one Fri Mar 1 16:21:23 1996 > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:21:06 -0800 (PST) > Message-Id: <199603020021.QAA02718@hotpage.Stanford.EDU> > Subject: geodesic buckminster > From: "Please send your reply to netnews@sift.stanford.edu." > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at bbs.cruzio.com > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Subscription 1: geodesic buckminster > > Article: rec.arts.disney.parks.15781 > Message-ID: <4h1ou0$1p5m@news.gate.net> > From: sunken@gate.net (L.A.) > Subject: Re: Epcot Center Sphere > Score: 100 > First 20 lines: > Kyle N. Foster (kfoster@argon.GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU) wrote: > : On 23 Feb 1996, Alexander Chen wrote: > : Spaceship Earth is a Geodesic Dome. This idea first came from the > : visionary Buckminster Fuller. It is 16 million pounds in weight, it > : measures 165 feet in diameter and is 180 feet tall. It encompasses > : 2,200,000 cubic feet and is covered with 954 triangular panels. > : Now a question for you to ponder. Why is it that when it rains, no water > : falls off of Spaceship Earth onto the guests drenching everyone around it? > : It's fairly obvious but fun to think about. > [Spoiler] > The water is suctioned off at the corners of the aluminum triangles by > little air hoses to keep the water from collecting and falling on the > guests. Now if they could figure out how to dry the castle forecourt so > that they don't have to cancel all the shows after a rainstorm in the > summer, that would be a true innovation. > Louis Allen > sunken@gate.net > > Article: sci.econ.28796 > Message-ID: > From: rah@shipwright.com (Robert A. Hettinga) > Subject: e$: Walking "Down" the Hierarchy > Score: 100 > First 20 lines: > --- begin forwarded text > Sender: e$@thumper.vmeng.com > Reply-To: rah@shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > From: rah@shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga) > Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:48:54 -0500 > Precedence: Bulk > To: Multiple recipients of > Subject: e$: Walking "Down" the Hierarchy > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > e$: Walking "Down" the Hierarchy; Reliability, Differentiation and the > Emergence of Internet Syndicalism > Practically my only rant these days is about how the exponential collapse of > microprocessor prices has mutated our communication structures, and thus our > social structures. This creates interpersonal and organizational networks > which are, as George Gilder likes to say, "heterarchical", instead of > hierarchical. The interesting thing is, if you look back in history, we > didn't really have the ferociously large multilevel hierarchical > organizations we've all come to know and love until communications > technology started to accellerate, beginning with railroads, through > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > For help information, send email SIFT Netnews Server > with word 'help' in message body netnews@sift.stanford.edu > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 23:15:36 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brent Hall <75512.1013@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: S.I.P. Domes? As a residential builder and long time Bucky fan, I've really enjoyed reading the postings here. The ferrocement postings gave me an idea that I'd like to share with you and perhaps get some input. Has anyone tried contructing a dome from S.I.P.s (structural insulated panels consisting of a sandwich of foam-type insulation between two layers of plywood or oriented strand board)? Though I've only built one "regular" home using them, I know they are being used in residential construction both structurally (no other framing support) and non-structurally (over other framing, usually a post and beam structure). I would like to use them structurally, if possible, with no or minimal other framing to minimize parts and maximize insulation value. Brent p.s. Can anyone post a list of "Bucky" related 'net sites other than web sites? My hardware is minimal at best for the web. Thanks ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 01:02:49 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "David F. Watkins" Subject: Bucky Article In Whole Earth Review Just got my Spring 1996 issue of "Whole Earth Review". First thing I saw on the cover was "BUCKMINSTER FULLER'S Design Genius Today", with a picture of a young Bucky next to a picture of a Fly's Eye. There are a dozen pages on Bucky. Mostly excerpted from J. Baldwin's "Bucky Works: Buckminster Fuller's Ideas for Today". If there's anybody on the list not familiar with "Whole Earth Review", I recommend that you check it out. The original "Whole Earth Catalog" was inpired by Bucky and it's various incarnations since then (wow, over 25 years) have all reflected a good portion of his world view. Now to get offline and read it. Dave Watkins ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:01:34 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Mac Cosham Subject: Re: Ferrocement question ? >John Mac Cosham (dharmraj@highway1.com.au) wrote: >>This sounds very interesting. Could you describe these in more detail. Were >they hand made?< > >Hello John > >The steel space frame panels were factory manufactured and intended >to be used for the construction of dwelling walls, up to two stories >high. It comprises of two layers of square welded re-inforcing >mesh, spaced about 35 mm from each other by means of welded wire >spacers. The wire spacers are of the same gauge wire as the mesh >itself, and spot-welded to the two mesh layers at an angle of about >60 degrees. The angled spacers and mesh results in very rigid space >frame construction panel. (Sounds terribly complicated in words, >but will provide a bitmap if required). Dear Dawie: I understand your description, but what is a bitmap? I have never seen a space frame panel as you describe. I am in western australia. What company makes those space frame panels. Maybe they make them here, also. I have followed your posts and know that you are into making fiberglass domes. I am interested in synergetics and make some steel models in the back shed just using rod and a small mig. I don't have anyplace to erect a dome other then the back yard of a rented house. I think about them though. swami dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 02:48:37 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Use of Fuller's work by underclass or poor people. Eric, of Stewards Planetary House, asked: >Does anyone know of applications of Fuller's theoretical principals - or use >of his design inventions such as geodesic domes - by poor or underclass >people to address their housing or other needs? Well, I dunno who is going to take it upon themselves to label someone else as "underclass", but "poor" at least seems a term that can be linked to some sort of impartial metric (like income, or cash on hand), despite the presumptious overtones. 1) The USA "dome boom" of the 60s and 70s was largely a result of the relocation of large numbers of "city folk" to less urban areas. Few of them had much money, many would have been called "hippies" by both their old and new neighbors. Very few of them had practical skills, fewer still had any grasp of engineering basics. The surprising thing is that so many of the domes went up and stayed up. 2) As I recall, there was at least one street gang that built a number of specific Bucky-concept structures. (Help me out here folks, the years have killed far too many of my brain cells.) I >> THINK << this may have been the "plydome", but I may be wrong. 2a) Pop Quiz - What's the difference between a street gang and the Board Of Directors of a multinational corporation? Street gangs dress with more style. Aside from that, they are identical. 3) Habitat For Humanity is building ferrocement domes overseas at what appears to be a very rapid rate. In general, joining Habitat would be a good move for anyone who wants to make a tangible contribution to the worldwide housing problem. Anyone can form a local group affilated with Habitat, and they may adopt whatever name pleases them. The requirements are very minimal, and the experience base one gains in the bargin is a big advantage over "going it alone". 4) The majority of Fuller's concepts require a large tooling investment and a mass-production commitment to even be considered as viable. If one flips through any "Bucky Book", one finds machined metal. Lots of it. Not the kind of stuff one can knock out in one's garage, even if one has bought every tool Sears has ever offered for sale. Not a good idea to use such components if you want to build houses in third-world nations. Think local materials, and local labor. Dymaxion bathrooms are a great idea, but who's gonna pay the shipping? Where do replacement parts come from? Game over, dude - insert new quarter. 5) There are too many groups reinventing the wheel on doing good, saving the planet, and other "good" things. There are too many "paper heroes", and much too much talk by people with clean fingernails about the problems of "the poor" for my taste. If you want to help solve the housing problem, JUST BUILD SOME HOUSES! Don't worry about "design", you can find lots of house plans in any bookstore. When you are done, send everyone who worked on the houses out to train more unskilled people to how to build houses. If you just keep going, the designs will refine themselves, the number of people with houses will be larger, and the process will snowball. You won't win any design awards, and you won't have much to feed you own ego, but you will have fun, and you will solve part of the problem. When I arrive at a Habitat site, I pull out my Seneco 120psi nail gun, and drive REAL nails into REAL wood, which builds REAL houses for people who REALLY need them. Great fun. Great folks. A good time is had by all. This whole "housing crisis" thing is a fairly recent problem. Somewhere along the line, people lost the knack of being able to build their own homes. If you read some history, those at the bottom of the economic ladder were never "homeless" - they built their houses with simple tools from whatever was lying about. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 02:48:43 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Homeless Peoples' Newspaper Tagdi observed, in reply to an announcement from the latest group aiming to save the world by next Tuesday: >i shall try to read the rest, but for now i just have to tell you >that the homless in Holland, in some cities, have thier news paper. >in Utrech they are selling it in the street to make some money. Does this seem unusual to anyone else --- people who are homeless somehow have the tools required to write, edit and produce a newspaper? Where DO they keep the printing presses? I am, of course, being silly. The homeless do not have any say in the editorial content of these publications, nor do they see much of any of the money. I still keep a residence in Boston, so I can relate the bogus saga of Boston's "Homeless Newspaper" first-hand: 1) The usual gang of idiots in power decide that "something must be done" about the "homeless people" "panhandling" on the streets of their "fine city". They outlaw such panhandling. 2) The gangsters who run the printing plants see the new law as an "opportunity", and promptly create a publication that can be sold by the same exact people, thus allowing these people to avoid charges of panhandling. After all, they are selling "the news", and to restrict free speech and freedom of the press would be a terrible thing. 3) The idiots in power see that their plans have backfired, so they attempt to outlaw the selling of newspapers except from licensed businesses. 4) The gangsters trot out a long line of neatly dressed young "newsboys", who are putting themselves through college by selling newspapers on street corners, and make thoughtful comments about how many great men got their start as a newsboy. 4a) The usual lawsuit against the city/state/county on grounds of restraint of trade, repression of the freedom of the press, etc, etc. is also filed by the gangsters' lawyers. Such suits never loose in the US, where the concept of "freedom" has been been corrupted to mere "free trade". 5) The homeless people BUY these newspapers from fast-talking pitchmen who tell them that if they are not selling newspapers, they might be jailed for vagrancy. The papers are "sold" for the last few dollars or coins that these people might have. 6) The gross profit on each paper to the homeless person is perhaps 1/4 to 1/2 the price of the paper. So for a paper that costs $1.00, they might make 50 cents, at most. The problem is the homeless person is taking all the "risk", and there is no chance to return unsold papers for one's money (or even for the current edition). They may have a chance of making 50 cents, but they must BUY the paper for 50 cents before they sell it. 7) The homeless person is thereby victimized yet again, and driven to another form of desperation. No one WANTS to read the poor excuse for a newspaper they sell, but some are driven by guilt (or pressured by a overzealous street vendor) into buying a copy anyway. No one WANTS to sell the silly thing, but some are lured by the simple math of "doubling" the small amount of money they have in one day. >anyway, now i tink they have been selling for more than 8 months >and they are still in the street. This should not be a surprise - if the scheme really helped homeless people get off the street, the print-shop gangsters would loose business, due to a declining number of street vendors to sell the so-called "newspaper". >this proves that realy the business is in power, and the >goverment cant do nothing- they assume that if they can >protest they can force them, it is not yet conclusive. "Business" - at least reputable business - has nothing to do with such schemes, which is why the homeless do not sell the Boston Globe, Miami Herald, Cleveland Plain Dealer, The Christain Science Monitor, The Times of London, the International Herald Tribune, or La Monde. They sell a "special" newspaper, since legitimate newspapers would have nothing to do with exploiting the homeless. As an aside: "Homeless People" are NOT homeless - they are HOUSEless. They make their "homes" where they can, and are forced by the urban environment into out of the way corners where they can have some level of privacy. I, for one, have wished that a large group of homeless people would "homestead" on a golf course or two. Most golf courses have enough trees on them to construct many houses. They have adequate clearled land for rather impressive subsistence gardens, and often have decent water quality and quantity to support a small community. ...and it would be fair - why should anyone waste acres and acres on such a silly "sport" as golf, when the same land could support at least 3 families per hole? Gosh - I have 5 axes in my toolshed. Think of how much fun I could have showing about 20 houseless people exactly how to build a log cabin on the fairway of the 7th green. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 02:48:49 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Geodesics outside USA? Dawie Venter, of Cape Town, South Africa asked: >I am wondering how much geodesic dome building activity is being >carried out in other parts of the world? If I'm not mistaken, >about 98% of the information pertaining to dome building, I've seen >on this group, eminates from the "States". Surely there must be some >dome building activity elsewhere in the world? If not, this could >be an interesting phenomena to explore. I travel so much that I fill up passports before they expire, so let me make the following observations about residential domes I have seen: 1) Make a "geodesic dome" from 60 struts, all the same length, and you have a Yurt. I am not going to say that Bucky "stole" the idea, but check out the nomadic tribes for some neat ideas on structures that are simple, light, strong and easy/quick to assemble. 2) There are quite a few domes in Europe. 3) I have never seen a dome in South America or any of the Pacific Rim countries. (I have not looked hard, but I do tend to wander about when I go somewhere, so my sample is random enough and large enough to be valid.) 4) I once thought I saw a dome in East Germany, but it turned out to be a radar-dome. What does this mean? I have no idea. Perhaps domes are more acceptable in North America, simply because we have so little in the way of "style" in our, uh... "traditional" architecture. Most folks in the USA seem to work in some sort of chrome and glass monolith built to celebrate the glory of capitalism, so perhaps the dome is a visual "last stand" against the ever-encroaching blight of neon, McDonalds hamburger stands, Wal-Marts, Shopping Malls, and other artifacts of the "New World Odor". Oh... sorry, that should have been "New World ORDER". Freudian slip. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 02:23:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: eric steven sommer Subject: Re: Use of Fuller's work by underclass or poor people. Dear James, I appreciate the positive information contained in your reply, as reproduced below. However, I must reject - for the sake of accuracy - a number of your statements as both mean-spirited and erronious. First, you suggest that we are labelling "someone else" as `underclass' - and that this is a derisive term. Actually, one of the principal slogans of the Stewards Planetary House is: "Organize the planetary underclass - beginning with ourselves - as the stewards or caretakers of the world." In short, we ourselves are `underclass' or poor people - and we make no bones about it. In addition our use of the word `underclass' represents a `transvaluation of values', much as Ghandhi revalued the `untouchables' by terming them the `Harijans', meaning `the children of God'. Second, you suggest that "There are too many groups reinventing the wheel on doing good, saving the planet, and other "good" things. There are too many "paper heroes", and much too much talk by people with clean fingernails about the problems of "the poor" for my taste." This arrogant statement slanders the Stewards Planetary House, which is a movement of, by, and for poor people. In general, I think it is a good policy not to project our pet peeves and personal prejudices onto groups we know little or nothing about. If you had first requested information about our organization, you could have sparred both yourself and us the embarrasment of this exchange. Sincerely, Eric Sommer > Eric, of Stewards Planetary House, asked: > >>Does anyone know of applications of Fuller's theoretical principals - or use >>of his design inventions such as geodesic domes - by poor or underclass >>people to address their housing or other needs? > > Well, I dunno who is going to take it upon themselves to label > someone else as "underclass", but "poor" at least seems a term > that can be linked to some sort of impartial metric (like income, > or cash on hand), despite the presumptious overtones. > > 1) The USA "dome boom" of the 60s and 70s was largely a > result of the relocation of large numbers of "city > folk" to less urban areas. Few of them had much > money, many would have been called "hippies" by > both their old and new neighbors. Very few of > them had practical skills, fewer still had any grasp > of engineering basics. The surprising thing is > that so many of the domes went up and stayed up. > > 2) As I recall, there was at least one street gang that built > a number of specific Bucky-concept structures. (Help me > out here folks, the years have killed far too many > of my brain cells.) I >> THINK << this may have been the > "plydome", but I may be wrong. > > 2a) Pop Quiz - What's the difference between a street gang > and the Board Of Directors of a multinational > corporation? Street gangs dress with more > style. Aside from that, they are identical. > > 3) Habitat For Humanity is building ferrocement domes overseas > at what appears to be a very rapid rate. In general, joining > Habitat would be a good move for anyone who wants to make a > tangible contribution to the worldwide housing problem. > Anyone can form a local group affilated with Habitat, and > they may adopt whatever name pleases them. The requirements > are very minimal, and the experience base one gains in the > bargin is a big advantage over "going it alone". > > 4) The majority of Fuller's concepts require a large tooling > investment and a mass-production commitment to even be > considered as viable. If one flips through any "Bucky Book", > one finds machined metal. Lots of it. Not the kind of > stuff one can knock out in one's garage, even if one has > bought every tool Sears has ever offered for sale. Not > a good idea to use such components if you want to build > houses in third-world nations. Think local materials, > and local labor. Dymaxion bathrooms are a great idea, > but who's gonna pay the shipping? Where do replacement > parts come from? Game over, dude - insert new quarter. > > > This whole "housing crisis" thing is a fairly recent > problem. Somewhere along the line, people lost the > knack of being able to build their own homes. If you > read some history, those at the bottom of the economic > ladder were never "homeless" - they built their houses > with simple tools from whatever was lying about. > > > >The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. >Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. > > james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 11:18:44 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Re: Dymaxion Map Flag > Out of curiosity, why do you consider the UN flag to be political? > > Mike The UN flag is political because not every nation is in it and it also supports nationhood which runs against Bucky's approach. Also, they seem to have a Western oriented slant. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 07:29:06 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: S.I.P. Domes? In-Reply-To: <960302041535_75512.1013_GHJ57-2@CompuServe.COM>; from "Brent Hall" at Mar 1, 96 11:15 pm See BFVI at http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html A bit dated but contains email and ftp references -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:16:46 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Subject: Re: Paradigms, Systems, and TQM >Thanks Joe. I hope you find some material to post back to me re. what >might be called the geometry of organizations. > >TQM stands for Total Quality Management. It is one of the more startegies >through which people are trying to raise the performance of organizations. >Other strategies include BPR Business Process Engineering, Employee >Participation, Teamwork. They are all pretty limited and overall have a >miserable success rate. > I'm not sure what a "startegie" is, but I agree with 'most everything else in your post. Anyone who is interested in applying the principles of "doing more with less" to organizational management and workflow would do well to get information from a company named Management 21, Inc., about a product of theirs called TLC - The Lifetime Customer (sm) System. It's been in use for about 10 years now in many hospitals, healthcare organizations, and other service industries in the United States and a few other countries. You can e-mail Management 21 at: Mngmnt21@AOL.com, or you can phone for information at 800-871-0021. I've been involved with Management 21 for about 8 years, and what attracted me from the beginning were perceived similarities between the way TLC treats organizational energy and the way geodesic domes channel loads and stresses over the entire structure. In both cases, it's a matter of keeping energy properly channeled within a "closed" system. PS: I would never have brought this up if someone had not first asked about TQM. Please do not treat this as a spam! J. 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Will you ever use it at night? Will you grow plants in it? Does the inside have to stay above freezing at night? Perhaps it would have some railroad ties nailed to the ground with #4 rebar, with some galvanized pipes bolted to or sticking in holes drilled in the railroad ties for the south wall, and some alumimum extrusion clamps (Geiger 33-SL16 "unilock," or Stuppy 10061) costing about 60 cents per linear foot to hold some poly film around the edges of this structure. Which might have a gravel floor over some poly film. Or perhaps a large part of the floor would be a reed bed over a layer of EPDM rubber, to make a warm artificial wetland for graywater treatment, before a sand filter and a concentrating solar pasturizer with a heat exchanger that preheats the influent from the sand filter with the effluent? 160 F for 30 minutes will reduce e coli to an acceptable level, < 10 ccl, for discharge onto the ground surface or into a stream (altho cows make a lot more e coli.) And it may have some sort of work surface, some kind of table (how big?) sitting on top of some 55 gallon drums full of water, with some insulation covering every side of the drums to make a solar closet, and an air gap and a layer of hard plastic over the insulation on the south side of the drums. And perhaps a PV panel high up inside the south glazing connected to a 12 V fan to circulate air inside the solar closet, which might work without the fan if it were taller. And a door under the bench that you can open to let some warm air out of the closet, if you want to work out there on a cloudy day. The poly film could be two layers, with a 50 watt blower to inflate them when the wind blows. The wind switch might be a sealed outdoor microswitch from Grainger, on a pivoting windvane with some sort of paddle or ball attached to the switch lever. Or it might use some sort of crude thermal wind sensor. Or an Air 303 wind-electric generator attached to a small 12 volt blower. Or the structure might have only one layer of poly film, if you have very little wind in the winter, or if we can figure out a way to make a slight vacuum inside the structure when the wind blows, to keep the poly film from flapping and ripping. Look in the yellow pages to find greenhouse suppliers for poly film, etc, or call Stuppy at (800) 877-5025 and ask for their big $5 greenhouse catalog with lots of application notes in the back. Remember they mostly sell to large commercial greenhouse professional growers, so don't bug them with too many dumb questions at once. To me, a nice size would be 12' deep x 16' wide x 16' tall, with a shallow EPDM rubber reflecting pond in front. That would gather the heat equivalent of about 300 gallons of oil per year for the attached house, through the 21 kW 16' x 16' south wall. The south wall might be 5 $35 20' curved galvanized pipes on 4' centers (I think there will be less poly film wind flapping and fatigue if the film is stretched over a convex surface.) The north wall might be 5 16' 2 x 6s. The structure might look like this: . The galvanized pipes might be stuck through . D a hole drilled in a 2 x 6 that forms the . ridge, and the 2 x 6 back wall might have south .p e 3 1/2" of 23" wide fiberglass stapled to it . 16' with the paper side painted a dark color and . e e a layer of poly flim inside. The outside of WB . the north wall might be a layer of poly film e e or 1/4" painted exterior flakeboard. WB is ....T..........T...... e is endwall framing. D is a drum. 12' The south wall might want to have a layer of 15 cent/ft^2 greenhouse --e---e--- shadecloth hanging inside the glazing | j . | to keep some of the sun's heat and ---------- light off of the occupant. The endwalls | p . W | might be 2 x 4s with poly film or ---------- 16' a single layer of polycarbonate plastic | p . B | on the outside, eg Replex 20 mil flat ---------- polycarbonate, which comes in rolls | p . | 49" wide and 50-500' long (800) 726-5151. --e---e--- p is a stiffening purlin pipe, attached with U clamps about halfway up the curved pipes. EC Geiger at (800) 4GEIGER has another nice catalog, and they sell all these galvanized pipe pieces individually, which they buy from manufacturer X S Smith in northern New Jersey. (PVC pipe is not as strong, and it eats polyethylene.) Any surface exposed to the sun in contact with poly film, eg a cheaper curved kerfed 2 x 4 in lieu of a curved pipe. should be painted a light color to avoid thermal degradation of the film. Hanging the greenhouse shadecloth outside over the poly film in the summer will keep this structure cooler in summer and prolong the life of the poly film. A vent at the top of each endwall will also help. The flat Replex polycarbonate plastic above might also be used to make a very clear long-lasting single glazed south wall, with 2 x 6 straight members on 4' centers to make a tall A-frame structure, or perhaps some bent 2 x 4s. One might attach a layer of butyl tape to the outside of the 2 x 6s, put the hard flat plastic over that, and attach 1/2" wide x 1/8" thick aluminum cap strips with stainless steel screws every 3" or so. This would raise the price of the structure by about another $300. Shadecloth comes in black and green and other colors, made in a size to your specification, with grommets in the hemmed edges as you specify. I got 16' wide x 32' long piece of 80%-absorbing black shadecloth from Stuppy for about $70, including UPS from Atlanta. Delivery time was about 2 weeks. One of the endwalls of this structure (if not the backwall) should be very close to the house, perhaps with a 2' diameter UV greenhouse poly duct connecting to a house window above, with plastic film gravity one-way dampers opening into the house above and out of the house below, and a large exhaust fan that blows warm air into the house when the house is cool and the sunspace is warm. (An attached sunspace might have large motorized dampers instead of a fan.) The north wall poly film should have a 1' gap at the top and the bottom to allow airflow up through the north wall behind the inner film. The drum(s) above (with no insulation below it?) might be the air-water heat exchanger and thermal store for a low-pressure water heater, with a float valve to keep it full from the pressurized water supply, and a gravity-fed hot water system in the house, or it's low pressure antifreeze/water loop might have a circulating pump to move its warm water through a simple concentric copper pipe heat exchanger inside the house, with high pressure pure water on one side. Be extremely careful supporting the drums overhead. A 55 gallon drum full of water weighs about 500 pounds. One might support the drums from some cross ties beneath them. You might use a large cheap box fan to push air into the house through the poly duct coming out of the top of the endwall, eg the 20" Holmes fan ((800) 5HOLMES that K-Mart sells for $11, wired in series with two Grainger 2E158 $14 thermostats, one in the sunspace wired through the contacts that close on temperature rise, and one in the house that closes when the house is too cool, set above the backup house heating thermostat. Greenhouse poly duct is available through D & L Grower Supplies in Leola PA, at (800) 732-3509, for about 30 cents per linear foot, minimum order about $25. It will need replacing every few years, less often if it is painted white. I'd run the extension cord and water pipes through the poly duct below, and a stiffening brace to the house through the one above. One might also build this as a lean-to sunspace today, with the house as the back wall, and replace the cloudy greenhouse poly plastic in a few years with very clear, long-lasting Dow or Bayer polyester film which should soon be distributed by Replex and Armin plastics. This can probably be improved a lot. I am inexperienced at building things. I mainly just do computer simulations. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:50:38 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Use of the terms "underclass" and/or "poor" Eric, of Stewards Planetary House, said: >I appreciate the positive information contained in your reply, as reproduced >below. However, I must reject - for the sake of accuracy - a number of your >statements as both mean-spirited and erronious. Sigh. Another happy customer. That's what I get for answering a a question with what I laughingly call "insightful opinion". Sorry folks, but to leave such a reply unanswered would encourage the use of e-mail lists to name-call. The Information Supercollider has several text processor settings for just this sort of situation. Let's try "Deep-Fat-Fry", shall we? [Press DELETE now unless you need a few laughs, followed by a good cry] Now, let us review the specific objections voiced... >First, you suggest that we are labelling "someone else" as `underclass' - >and that this is a derisive term. I do not "suggest" it, I observe that you have done so. The derisive nature of the terms should be obvious to even the casual observer. >Actually, one of the principal slogans of the Stewards Planetary House is: >"Organize the planetary underclass - beginning with ourselves - as the >stewards or caretakers of the world." Does this mean that you feel that some portion of the population needs to be somehow "More Organized"? Are they disorganized now? Are you more organized than they are? Do they want to be organized? Do they want to be "stewards" or "caretakers"? How did you figure all this out? >In short, we ourselves are `underclass' or poor people - and we make no >bones about it. We are, are we? How poor can one be if one can afford not only to feed, clothe, and house oneself, but to also have: - a computer of some sort - an internet connection of some sort - electricity required to run the computer These are the marks of a very well-heeled life. If you still call yourself "poor" or "underclass", this is political posturing, not socio-economic fact. >In addition our use of the word `underclass' represents a >`transvaluation of values', You mean a redefinition of terms to new meanings hitherto unknown and unassociated with the original term. Keep it up, and you will soon redefine "Red" and "Green", thus causing an uncountable number of traffic accidents. >much as Ghandhi revalued the `untouchables' by >terming them the `Harijans', meaning `the children of God'. Well, Gandhi at least came up with a NEW term, and did not try to redefine the local word for "Untouchable". >Second, you suggest that "There are too many groups reinventing the wheel on >doing good, saving the planet, and other "good" things. There are too many >"paper heroes", and much too much talk by people with clean fingernails >about the problems of the poor" for my taste." I do more than suggest it, I make that observation based upon years of work in such efforts. Once again, it is opinion, so you may agree or not. Just as an aside, how's your manicure? >This arrogant statement slanders the Stewards Planetary House... The statement is neither arrogant nor slanderous. It is a simple observation, based upon the inherent entropy of overhead, management, paperwork, fundraising, and all the other things that MUST be done in order to create a positive change. If my observation causes you concern, then perhaps it has some application to the case at hand. This is not for me to decide. If you react so strongly to my opinions, perhaps it is because my words have found their mark. >...which is a movement of, by, and for poor people. Did they elect your governing body? How were such elections held? Since you seem anything but poor (see above), how did you join? I can agree that you want to be "for" poor people, but I can't see how your group could be "of" and "by" the poor. >In general, I think it is a good policy not to project our pet peeves and >personal prejudices onto groups we know little or nothing about. Yes, I agree. It is obvious from your own statements that you yourself have never been poor, nor have you had much interaction with those who are. You seem to know nothing about the people who you presume need your help to undertake a task that may be very low on their own personal priority list. Therefore, your pet peeve seems to be the "planet", and your prejudice seems to be about the very people you want to organize, utilize, or enlist for your own stated goal. >If you had first requested information about our organization, I think I have all the information I need about your organization, thank you. >you could have sparred I did not intend to spar with you. You did not spare me (or the rest of the mailing list) your reply, so you sparred with me. >both yourself and us the embarrasment of this exchange. You presume that I am embarrassed. I would only be embarrassed if your shrill whines made even a single dent in my observations. They did not, so I am not. If you are embarrassed, adjust your goals and methods accordingly. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 01:43:22 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James McCaig Subject: Re: Use of the terms "underclass" and/or "poor" At 12:50 AM 3/3/96 -0500, James Fischer wrote: Dear James, The pearl with which you close is very interesting. What changes do you envision that might affect the consciousness of humanity? Could this entail a quantum leap? HUMANITY, as we know it on this planet, is quite a large group to "raise". Do you believe, with Robert Sheldrake and others that something when learned by a small group in the population can be passed along to others by a mysterious process that is not fully understood by science? >From the mystic's perspective, as articulated by Inayat Khan, conciousness is: "In giving a definition for some terms used in esotericism, one may say that consciousness is the wakeful state of the knowing faculty; knowledge is that of which the consciousness is conscious; conscience is a sense which is born when consciousness holds before itself in a scale, on the one side an action and on the other side an ideal; and intelligence is the grasping faculty of consciousness, which by every means recognizes, distinguishes, perceives, and conceives all that is around it." and again: "And both mystic and materialist come at the end of their path to the same thing: truth. It is chiefly in their ideal that they differ. The materialist thinks that all the consciousness and intelligence that one sees in man is the natural development of life. The mystic says that this consciousness or intelligence is the same as the unlimited consciousness or intelligence which is put into different channels, and that from this intelligence that existed in the beginning all manifestation has come. Picturing the unlimited consciousness or intelligence as the ocean, the consciousness or intelligence of man is like a drop. Thus the materialist sees the intelligence of man as the natural development of humanity, while the mystic sees it as the divine essence, as one, as the source of all things." >The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. >Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. > > james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com > Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:28:14 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Mac Cosham Subject: Re: Procrastination; Idea in Head, Wrench in Hand >One of the things that I most admire about Bucky is that he was a real >DOER. He was a man with "IDEA IN HEAD, WRENCH IN HAND". For this reason I >post a list of reasons about why we procrastinate. With the type of goals >that Bucky set, I think he would feel guilty if he procrastinated. He is >also really disciplined, which can come with practice. I hope this is a >reminder to all of us. > >WHY WE PROCRASTINATE > >1. Things are too big. Don't know where to start.Overwhelming. Break it down. > >2. Fear of Failure. If you don't try you won't fail. > >3. Things are Unpleasant. Related to first two. Just do it. > >4. Perfection Paralysis. Want to do it right so wait for right time. > >5. Old Habits. You always procrastinate. > >WHICH REASON ARE YOU USING NOW? There is a beautiful zen poem. Sitting silently The spring comes and the grass grows by itself swami dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:37:43 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Mac Cosham Subject: Re: Procrastination; Idea in Head, Wrench in Hand I forgot one line in the poem. Sitting silently doing nothing the spring comes and the grass grows by itself swami dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 02:14:43 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: eric steven sommer Subject: Misrepresentation. To James Fisher, The lack of charity in your latest e-mail regarding the Stewards Planetary House is matched only by its lack of manners and glorification of ignorance. One of the many ways you initially misrepresented us was to characterizeus as a group of people `out to help' the poor, whereas we are in fact poor people organizing ourselves to care for one another together with the world. Now, having received corrective information about the actual nature of our House, you proceed to extend your slander by claiming that we can't be poor because we use computers. Believe it or not, there are poor people in this world with both the intelligence and the resourcefullness to occassionally secure access to information technology. Perhaps your real problem is that you do not want to acknowledge the existance of poor people with the intelligence to organize themselves. Sincerely, Eric Sommer ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:06:24 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: Geodesics outside USA? Dawie Venter, of Cape Town, South Africa asked: >>I am wondering how much geodesic dome building activity is being >>carried out in other parts of the world? If I'm not mistaken, >>about 98% of the information pertaining to dome building, I've seen >>on this group, eminates from the "States". Surely there must be some >>dome building activity elsewhere in the world? If not, this could >>be an interesting phenomena to explore. they are used in airports in europe, and the oct-truss is used in many places. in Holland i saw(swimming poll), and heard about another, i am sure there are more. but you have to consider that in the Nederland only houses which fit the landscape traditionaly are allowed. here, you have to wait 4 years to get apartment or a room, 1000's of student are waiting for a room. but in the same time 1/2 of the building in any city is empty at night, it is strange when you think that the paper work is about 80% of the total. may be the solution is in using the smart card. there must be consideration of artitectural landscpe and building millions of geodesic homes. i think it is not that easy to build local structure. probably how you aranage the strucutre in the enviroment which make a dome beautiful or ugly. i heard that there are a million living in Ciro cemetry, and inspite of criticism about domes these people will be glad to move into great breading volume, light weight estatic dome. and we only know so little that we might also find new way to do domes different. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:38:39 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: mysticism >mysticism will solve no problems, it might even add to them. >i wonder if the word has roots in mist. >Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 08:15:03 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: FERROCEMENT Could someone out there please explain what "ferrocement" is and also list what are its advantages and disadvantages? Thanks. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 08:20:49 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: PAPERBOARD DOMES According to Bucky, the least expensive way of providing shelter is to build domes out of cardboard using printing presses. Are there any paperboard domes commercially available? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:17:02 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Chuck Stoffregen Subject: Modeling Kit I found a source for a pretty inexpensive dome model kit. Omni Kit is made by Avionics Plastic Corperation, Hauppaauge, New York 11788. It is distributed by Pitsco, a Tech. Ed. supply house.The telephone number is 1-800-835-0686. The Dome Kit I costs $12.50 25 5-spoke hubs cost $ 3.00 25 6-spoke hubs cost $ 3.00 25 3-spoke hubs cost $ 3.00 The Dome Kit comes with plastic struts, enough for a 3-frequency dome, with instructions. I purchased the Dome Kit I and a package of both the 5 and 6 spoke hubs, they are of decent quality. You can use the hubs to build other sized geodesics by using 3/16 inch dowels. The information says that the hubs will allow 3 foot struts on a three frequency sphere. I think I might try it this summer. Chuck Stoffregen Computer Teacher Wrestling Coach Madison Area Technical College cas1276@madison.tec.wi.us Fax (608) 246-6880 Synergy - Behavior of whole systems unpredicted by the behavior of their parts taken seperately. R.B. Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:02:49 WST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Mac Cosham Subject: Re: mysticism >>mysticism will solve no problems, it might even add to them. >>i wonder if the word has roots in mist. >>Tagdi > > Universe and nature have no problems, mohammed. Problems come from man. Mysticism can be a way for an individual to come into tune with nature and the universe. Looking inwards rather then outwards all the time. dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:08:07 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: "Changing The World", if possible Maharaj James McCaig said: >The pearl with which you close is very interesting. >What changes do you envision that might affect the consciousness of humanity? Pearl? If you wish, but hold on, I was simply laying out what I see as a Catch-22 about the, ummm "global" situation: A will not change until B changes, B will not change until A changes. I am not a self-styled visionary. I have no idea what it would take to break the deadlock. All I know is that somethin's gotta give. If I were to guess, I would expect that there is a region ahead where history itself stops cold, simply due to the numbing sameness of a world where everyone is targeted as a "consumer" by the usual gang of multinational robber barons trying to make their bonus bucks. At some point: I will "Never Be Out Of Beeper Range" (SKY-TEL). I will be getting "Faxes At The Beach" (AT&T). Various far-flung parties will expect me to "Be Here Now" (Sprint), even though they are in different places. Everyone will be asking me to "Have A Coke and A Smile" (Coca-Cola), when what I wanted was a Glenfiddich, no ice. "Larry King Live" will be anything but, in 28 languages. At that point, or perhaps well before, a critical mass of people will have had enough, and will take matters into their own hands. >HUMANITY, as we know it on this planet, is quite a large group to "raise". I did not say it was easy, I merely observed that it seemed to be a prerequisite. If I had any ideas on how to break the apparent deadlock, I would be using my suggested solution as my ".sig of the month" rather than the stated paradox itself. >Do you believe, with Robert Sheldrake and others that something when learned >by a small group in the population can be passed along to others by a >mysterious process that is not fully understood by science? I have never been a big fan of "action at a distance" in any application other than photon-to-photon signaling. Photons can do it. How, we do not know. To argue that humans can do the same seems a bit premature. I do know that a snappy saying or a simple concept spreads faster than a computer virus. In short, a compelling sound bite (or byte) seems to have a "life of its own". I think the boys in the psych labs call these things "memes". THATS WHY I write these snappy little lines and put them at the bottom of the drivel I write! I hope that the ideas will spread, and thus divert the agendas of a larger number of people. Sneaky little guy, aren't I? I never said I played fair. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:57:14 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "David F. Watkins" Subject: Re: mysticism In-Reply-To: <9603040202.AA20991@highway1.com.au> On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, John Mac Cosham wrote: > >>mysticism will solve no problems, it might even add to them. > >>i wonder if the word has roots in mist. > >>Tagdi > > > > > Universe and nature have no problems, mohammed. Problems come from man. > Mysticism can be a way for an individual to come into tune with nature and > the universe. Looking inwards rather then outwards all the time. > > dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham > I agree with dharmraj. Some of the great scientist have a clear mystical element. Read Einstein's tatements about mysticism. The word mysticism is at the root of much of the discussion. It means totally different things to different people. I find religion itself to be problematic. I am Christian with an interest in most religions and an interest in science. I find many atheist with a world view closer to my own than many Christians. Generally I find religious people with a mystical foundation to their religon to be more harmonious with people of other faiths and more in touch with nature. The exeception are those with a mystical element that is firmly attached to a narrow dogma. Dave Watkins ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:30:03 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James McCaig Subject: Re: mysticism At 04:38 PM 3/3/96 CET, tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL wrote: >>mysticism will solve no problems, it might even add to them. Dear Tagdi, My Bill Gates dictionary defines mysticism as: "A belief in the existence of realities beyond perceptual or intellectual apprehension that are central to being and directly accessible by subjective experience." How would you expect such subjective experience to add to your problems. As one man's problem is another's desire it is difficult to expound on the problems of others, don't you agree? My only disagreement with the limited dictionary definition is with the word "belief". Since it is an experience, no belief is required. >>i wonder if the word has roots in mist. >>Tagdi Perhaps the root word is MYSTERY, which means it is difficult for everyone to understand. Understanding may solve no problems, but it is a useful platform from which to analyze our dealings with nature and our fellow human beings. There is no doubt that Fuller took the mystical view. It is plain to see in his political and philosophical writings. This is apparent to the perceptive reader of CRITICAL PATH. Warm regards, Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 00:39:03 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Dymaxion Map Flag bill paton wrote: >I would be interested in getting a Flag (Various sizes) with the Dymaxion >map. It seems to me to be the perfect map promoting a new world, since it >is apolitical (unlike the United Nations Flag) and it shows the entire >world. Anyone else interested in this before I submit the idea to the >Buckminster Fuller Institute? I think it would be a great idea. With the more accruate map right there on flags, trucks, helicopters, and such, the UN Peacekeeping troops would get lost much less often! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> As an aside - does anyone other than me think that the concept of sending young boys with light arms into some place where they do not speak the language seems to be a slightly brain-damaged method of "keeping the peace"? If one were to want to "keep the peace", one could do a much better job at lower risk by remote sensing. Grab data off whatever brids we have up over that area, and pinpoint the signature of an artillery battery (muzzle flashes, smoke, the usual). Call up an air strike, knock out the artillery emplacement. Same for tanks, armored cars, anything that looks and acts military. Now this may be somewhat draconian, and it does nothing about snipers and small arms, but it does have a instant impact by reducing the level of the conflict, and making attacks on civilian areas much more "labor intensive". It would also send a firm message to both sides of the sort of "brush-fire" war they have had in Bosnia: You can throw rocks at each other, and you can shoot bullets at each other. If you wish to use a weapon larger than a rifle, feel free to do so. Once. After you use a "heavy" weapon to fire the first shot, run like hell away from the thing, 'cause it will be converted into scrap metal in a matter of minutes by representatives of the same nations that might have sold you the infernal thing in the first place. Don't bother trying to move it, that will only generate a better thermal image for the heat-seeking missles that may be in the air as we speak. The blast radius of your average non-smart thermal-imaging air to ground munition? Oh, about 100 yards. But what if it is off a bit? You had better time yourself in the 220. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 00:39:13 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: mysticism dharmraj (aka John Mac Cosham) said: >Universe and nature have no problems, mohammed. Except for entropy, which is a real problem for both nature and the universe. The predicted "heat death of the universe" is just that. The end of it all. Perhaps you do not see this as a problem, but as the natural course of things. This is OK, but I would still call it a "problem". Perhaps this is a self-centered view, but I would rather have something, somewhere alive, and the 2nd law of Thermodynamics says "everything goes". >Problems come from man. Well now, hold on a sec - when our sun burns enough to weaken, become a red giant, and swallow up the inner 3 or 4 planets, are you going to blame MAN? Of course, you and I and everyone reading this will be safely and cozily dead by then, but still: 1) It is a "problem", in that a rather nice little planet gets vaporized, through no fault of its own. 2) There is little or nothing mankind can do about it. What about stars going nova? This is happening all the time, and may be happening to star systems with planets that have all sorts of "nature" on them. What man is to blame for this? More importantly, does he have a good lawyer? The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:10:14 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: mysticism John Mac Cosham writes: >>>mysticism will solve no problems, it might even add to them. >>>i wonder if the word has roots in mist. >>>Tagdi >> >> >Universe and nature have no problems, mohammed. Problems come from man. >Mysticism can be a way for an individual to come into tune with nature and >the universe. Looking inwards rather then outwards all the time. > >dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham some people spend 20 years meditating and nothing comes out of it. that is the old way, go meditation go happy. well, most of the people are controled by their job, the area they live in, and they follow a preditermined path. very little choice indeed. why,in 19 Century they thought there was little wealth for those who considered it consciously, for the rest they were kind of sleep. dreaming is nice, but it does not last. i see the misoriennatation F talked about a little. we are basically wasting our time with useless paper and administration. part of the reason is sedation, fear, helplesness, authority, ignorance and stupidity. we are so mouse like conditioned that it is hardly worth it being spirtual. If i had a smart card with 1million dollar then i think i would feel great, and if i had to die later it's no problem, at least i would not die poor opressed and never doen what i would like to have doen. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:22:32 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: mysticism James Fischer writes: > dharmraj (aka John Mac Cosham) said: > >>Universe and nature have no problems, mohammed. > > Except for entropy, which is a real problem for both > nature and the universe. The predicted "heat death > of the universe" is just that. The end of it all. > > Perhaps you do not see this as a problem, but as the > natural course of things. This is OK, but I would > still call it a "problem". Perhaps this is a > self-centered view, but I would rather have something, > somewhere alive, and the 2nd law of Thermodynamics > says "everything goes". tagdi you are asking to have your own universe, anyway without theromdynamics we would not be here to invistigate why misticism does not work. >>Problems come from man. the rest is funny. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:02:33 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Mac Cosham Subject: Re: mysticism > dharmraj (aka John Mac Cosham) said: > >>Universe and nature have no problems, mohammed. > > Except for entropy, which is a real problem for both > nature and the universe. The predicted "heat death > of the universe" is just that. The end of it all. > > Perhaps you do not see this as a problem, but as the > natural course of things. This is OK, but I would > still call it a "problem". Perhaps this is a > self-centered view, but I would rather have something, > somewhere alive, and the 2nd law of Thermodynamics > says "everything goes". > >>Problems come from man. > > Well now, hold on a sec - when our sun burns enough to > weaken, become a red giant, and swallow up the inner > 3 or 4 planets, are you going to blame MAN? Of course, > you and I and everyone reading this will be safely and > cozily dead by then, but still: > james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com Just like a nova one can make a problem out of death. We make a problem out of our own death when death is unavoidable and in the nature of our universe. Man is just making the problem in his own mind. For universe and nature it is not a problem because it is the natural flow. dharmraj swami dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:31:30 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Mac Cosham Subject: Re: mysticism > John Mac Cosham writes: > >>>>mysticism will solve no problems, it might even add to them. >>>>i wonder if the word has roots in mist. >>>>Tagdi >>> >>> >>Universe and nature have no problems, mohammed. Problems come from man. >>Mysticism can be a way for an individual to come into tune with nature and >>the universe. Looking inwards rather then outwards all the time. >> >>dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham > > some people spend 20 years meditating and nothing comes out of it. Meditation as a word could have many meanings amongst us, however as I perceive meditation it is a state of being where one is in the present and not looking towards some result and expecting something to come from it. . we are so mouse like conditioned that it is hardly > worth it being spirtual. > Tagdi I quess you speak for yourself here. I feel a spiritual side to myself and that in fact helps a great deal in my life. Personally I feel that Bucky was a mystic. A western mystic. swami dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:46:29 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerald de Jong Organization: MINT (Media Integration) BV Subject: Re: "Changing The World", if possible >The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. >Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. > james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com things *are* changing. it's just happening so slowly it's hard to notice. -- //---------------------------------------------- // gerald@mint.nl ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:44:43 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: mysticism > dharmraj (aka John Mac Cosham) said: >>Universe and nature have no problems, mohammed. > > Except for entropy, which is a real problem for both > nature and the universe. The predicted "heat death > of the universe" is just that. The end of it all. Aren't you being decidedly Newtonian (hence pessimistic) in your outlook. What about syntropy? Here is a quote from Synergetics 2: "935.17 Einstein assumed hypothetically that energies given off omnidirectionally with the ever-increasing disorder of entropy by all the stars were being antientropically imported, sorted, and accumulated in various other elsewheres. He showed that when radiant energy interferes with itself, it can, and probably does, tie itself precessionally into local and orderly knots. Einstein must have noted that on Earth children do not disintegrate entropically but multiply their hydrocarbon molecules in an orderly fashion. Einstein assumed Earthian biology to be reverse entropy." > 1) It is a "problem", in that a rather nice little > planet gets vaporized, through no fault of its own. Shit happens, eh? More certain than the heat death of the entire universe is that humankind will be ingenious enough to colonize other planets, moons, asteroids and structures of their own devising. By the way, has anyone ever read No More Secondhand God? Written in 1940 it is an epic poem on the mystical nature of man and technology. Very inspiring! elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:48:47 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: the very first steps in thinking this is not meant to be a lecture, just attempting to consider what i do when i am thinking- there might be better thinkers around. ideas in the head are not good most of the time, just association of association, or scrutinizing; preocupation with self. there is an effort to force all ideas from the memory at once. usualy we do not rely on quesions to think, rather we just go at it. thinking can be tiring. crossing of ideas in the mind are not disciplined thinking. if pondering is not purposful, it seems that it is less likely to be memreble. we need a lot of rest to think. if one is tired there is more of awarness of being so than there is thinking. graphic ensyclopidias are helpfull for memory. ideals are quite fragmented, they needs to be reconsidered in order to get better at solving problems, and answering questions. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:04:00 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Facts and figures The buddhist Stupa( a dome) provides an image for the structure of the universe. the base symbolizes the earth; the shell symboilizes the shell of heaven( located at Sanch India). one can consider Fuller dome in the same way, except the first strucutre is made of bricks. 1967 exp dome in Montereal was built from aluminum elements. in the same the time Hbitate had complex cubical housing strucutre. Europe defence budget 1995 143 billion sterlings Russia 63 = = Poland 2.6 = = Brunei : in 1929 oil was discovered- became the third largest oil producer in the british commonwealth. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:08:22 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: syn-l: pub/synergetic geometry Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com it is imposible to define a line. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:10:54 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Geometry geometry is a branch of mathematics which deals with properties, measurment, and relations of vertexes, victors, angles, and faces. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:17:56 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: Geodesics outside USA? > Most folks in the USA seem to work in some > sort of chrome and glass monolith built to celebrate the > glory of capitalism, so perhaps the dome is a visual > "last stand" against the ever-encroaching blight of neon, > McDonalds hamburger stands, Wal-Marts, Shopping Malls, and > other artifacts of the "New World Odor" Perhaps Wall-Mart will start building domes, when they realize the money that they could save on construction materials and labour, heating, earthquake resistance and the general long-term up-keep of the structure. Would the "New World Odour" become fragrant or simply take over the world with its new found efficient technology? elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:30:29 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: "Changing The World", if possible In Message Mon, 04 Mar 1996 14:46:29 +0100, Gerald de Jong writes: >>The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. >>Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. > >> james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com > >things *are* changing. it's just happening so slowly it's hard >to notice. this is getting to be fun, can you give an example. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:42:45 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: "Changing The World", if possible >>Do you believe, with Robert Sheldrake and others that something when learned >>by a small group in the population can be passed along to others by a >>mysterious process that is not fully understood by science? > I have never been a big fan of "action at a distance" in any > application other than photon-to-photon signaling. Photons > can do it. How, we do not know. To argue that humans can > do the same seems a bit premature. > Rupert Sheldrakes theories of Morphogenetic feilds have actually been **PROVEN**. Mice which were trained to run a maze, generation after generation, I believe in Japan. The youngest generation was able to run the maze more rapidly than the first generation. I guess that this was the original goal of the study. When researchers elsewhere tried to replicate it they found that their mice did the maze as fast as the fastest Japanese ones--No learning curve. Experiments have also been done on Humans. Groups of children around the world were taught nonsense languages. The learning curve for children being taught these languages declined proportianlly to the number of children that KNEW the language (in some far away country). > I do know that a snappy saying or a simple concept spreads > faster than a computer virus. In short, a compelling sound > bite (or byte) seems to have a "life of its own". I think > the boys in the psych labs call these things "memes". The guys in the psych labs probably never heard of Jung, Maslow or the entire feild of Transpersonal Psychology. elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:23:24 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL the area of a polygon = 1/2 a P a= apothem p= parameter the surface of a dome can be calculated from the numbers of penta + hexa. how much does a dome weights. how much does a 10 store building weight. 15 century's ship averages 200 ton. a chord vibrate with 200 hertz, if divided into 2 each 1/2 will vibrate with 400 h. h= 1 vibration per second. Euclid (330-270 B.C) gathered into 13 files most of the mathematical ideas of his time. Archimedes- extended Euclid's treatment of solides(polyvertaxia) to include the sphere, cylinder, and the cone. the irrational shapes come much later! Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:14:01 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Grosso Organization: WEST COAST ONLINE, Inc. Subject: Dome Home If you'd like to see some pictures of a very beautiful dome house, check out this personal (non-commercial) home web page: http://www.wco.com/~ernie/ The home was built about 15 years ago on a hillside in West Marin County, California in a redwood forest. - Paul ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:47:45 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Merlin Levine Subject: Re: "Changing The World" IS possible if you think so At 02:42 PM 3/4/96 -0500, Elias Tabello wrote: >>>Do you believe, with Robert Sheldrake and others that something when learned >>>by a small group in the population can be passed along to others by a >>>mysterious process that is not fully understood by science? >> I have never been a big fan of "action at a distance" in any >> application other than photon-to-photon signaling. Photons >> can do it. How, we do not know. To argue that humans can >> do the same seems a bit premature. >> >Rupert Sheldrakes theories of Morphogenetic feilds have actually been >**PROVEN**. Mice which were trained to run a maze, generation after >generation, I believe in Japan. The youngest generation was able to run >the maze more rapidly than the first generation. I guess that this was the >original goal of the study. When researchers elsewhere tried to replicate >it they found that their mice did the maze as fast as the fastest Japanese >ones--No learning curves. Rupert Sheldrake has presented a very powerful and testable theoretical construct that stpes beyond the narrow bounds of Newtonian physics as related to biological systems. His book "The Presence of the Past" is an important read. His newest book, "Seven Experiments That Could Change the World" addresses Elias' original question. And whether or not you "are a big fan of ACTION AT A DISTANCE", the is a body of experiencial and experimental evidence that must be contended with. Medieval Europeans were not big fans of a heliocentric planetary system or a spherical earth, but it was only their ignorance. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ / \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \ \_/ Rick Merlin Levine, Redmond WA _/ \ VOX (206)882-3481 / \_/ \_/ / \_/ \ rlevine@halcyon.com / \_/ \_/ \_/ FAX (206)867-1202 \_/ \_/ \ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ / \_/ "When the digital revolution rolls over you, you're \_/ \_/ \ \_/either part of the streamroller or part of the road." (WIRED) _/ \_/ / \_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/ \_/ \ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:50:14 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: "Changing The World", if possible In-Reply-To: ; from "Gerald de Jong" at Mar 4, 96 2:46 pm Gerald de Jong writes: > >The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. > >Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. > > james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com > things *are* changing. it's just happening so slowly it's hard > to notice. > // gerald@mint.nl The changes are becoming more and more invisible. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:32:20 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: "Changing The World", if possible In article <73833.tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl>, tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL wrote: > In Message Mon, 04 Mar 1996 14:46:29 +0100, > Gerald de Jong writes: > > >>The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. > >>Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. > > > >> james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com > > > >things *are* changing. it's just happening so slowly it's hard > >to notice. > > this is getting to be fun, can you give an example. > > Tagdi This might be a good time to step in and ask if anyone is aware of a paper that was written by (John Platt ?? Maybe) called Hierarchal Growth in Biological Systems. It was something that I came across about twenty years ago in which the author was discussing his experience with watching biological activities that he thought would change the system they were part of but which the system seemed to resist successfully. He further observed that sometimes the system being part of a larger system would become subject to the changes of the larger system and that when that happened the previous mentioned activity within the smaller system would all of a sudden become very effective. It is a paper that I have been thinking about alot lately and would like to be able to see it again. The subject seems relevant to the thread of this conversation ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:07:15 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Bucky Film I saw that the new Bucky film is to be released here in LA March 9 and 10th. I plan to see it. Does anyone have any details on this? Like where it's showing. Anyone else planning on going? William William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:18:06 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Synergetics II For Sale. I have a paperback copy of Synergetics II for sale. Good to Excellent condition. Has all color plates. Since I have two other copies hardcover, I figure why not let someone else enjoy it. I have no doubt that it will go up in value as the years go by, and I am partially interested in selling it to see how much it will go for at this date. I want a minimum of $50 plus shipping. The highest offer will take it, unless you have something else of value to trade. Make your offers now before I change my mind and will it to my heirs. Sorry I am being so capitalistic but I owe 900 dollars on car payments and another 1500 on credit cards and they want money not my philosophical manuscripts. William William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:26:56 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Books Korzibsky influenced Bucky, also Robert Heinlein, also L.Ron Hubbard. Interesting quote from page 658 "The Einstein theory could have been formulated as soon as we discovered the FINITE velocity of light, in 1676. It should be noticed that this last discovery was also over due, as it did NOT require experiments to establish the finite velocity of light. It was sufficient to establish the menaingless character of 'infinite velocity", which, on symbolic grounds, could have been accomplished much earlier, and to conclude, that the velocity of light MUST be finite." (his italics I made into caps) Gee, Albert, what took you so long? William William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:07:59 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: Dymaxion Map Flag > bill paton wrote: > > >I would be interested in getting a Flag (Various sizes) with the Dymaxion > >map. It seems to me to be the perfect map promoting a new world, since it > >is apolitical (unlike the United Nations Flag) and it shows the entire > >world. Anyone else interested in this before I submit the idea to the > >Buckminster Fuller Institute? > great idea Bill ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:51:03 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: "Changing The World" IS possible if you think so In article <199603042247.AA28503@halcyon.com>, Rick Merlin Levine wrote: *stuff cut out* > Rupert Sheldrake has presented a very powerful and testable theoretical > construct that stpes beyond the narrow bounds of Newtonian physics as > related to biological systems. His book "The Presence of the Past" is an > important read. His newest book, "Seven Experiments That Could Change the > World" addresses Elias' original question. > > And whether or not you "are a big fan of ACTION AT A DISTANCE", the is a > body of experiencial and experimental evidence that must be contended with. > Medieval Europeans were not big fans of a heliocentric planetary system or a > spherical earth, but it was only their ignorance. > Your posting on Rupert Sheldrake is very interesting. What puzzles me is the tone of your last paragraph. It didn't seem to me that James was displaying any medieval type ignorance. Many of the people who frequent this newsgroup have a degree of respect for the ideas of Bucky Fuller and share with Bucky the feeling of 'how little we know'. I think that if I used the expression that I am not a big fan of ACTION AT A DISTANCE it would imply that I was stating that it was a subject that does not have enough clarity to warrent my attention. Meaning that it is just not coming into focus as I make my deliberations. James meaning may be entirely different. I am curious why you would compare his remark to those who refused to accept that the Earth was not flat.? What issues does bringing this comparison forward address to warrent it's being used ? Does this subject have some special emotional significence to you ? Just curious Jack Lazariuk lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 04:43:16 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: "Changing The World" IS possible if you think so >In article <199603042247.AA28503@halcyon.com>, Rick Merlin Levine > wrote: >> CUT >> And whether or not you "are a big fan of ACTION AT A DISTANCE", the is a >> body of experiencial and experimental evidence that must be contended with. >> Medieval Europeans were not big fans of a heliocentric planetary system or a >> spherical earth, but it was only their ignorance. The above was a response to this statement by James: I have never been a big fan of "action at a distance" in any application other than photon-to-photon signaling. Photons can do it. How, we do not know. To argue that humans can do the same seems a bit premature. It is my suspicion that James and Rich have quite different mentalities. James works at a large superconducting facility. Rich is making a point about a new and very radical theory of nature put forth by Rupert Sheldrake. A theory which most hard-core scientists would probably dismisss if it was casually mentioned to them, and very few have the time or the inclination to keep up on new developments that are vastly outside of their domain. >I am curious why you would compare his remark to those who refused to >accept that the Earth was not flat.? What issues does bringing this >comparison forward address to warrent it's being used ? Does this subject >have some special emotional significence to you ? >Just curious >Jack Lazariuk lazariukj@process.cyancorp.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:51:30 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: mysticism dharmraj (aka John Mac Cosham) said: >>>Universe and nature have no problems, mohammed. so, planting tounge firmly in cheek, I said: >> Except for entropy, which is a real problem for both >> nature and the universe. The predicted "heat death >> of the universe" is just that. The end of it all. and elias@magi.com commented: >Aren't you being decidedly Newtonian (hence pessimistic) in your outlook. Sorry to sound so depressing, but why should the known fact that the bartender will announce last call at 2am prevent you from having a good time on a Friday night? Newton had no idea that the laws of Thermodynamics existed, so while the facts of the matter may be pessimistic, no one who states them can be tarred with the same brush as the oft unjustly discredited Newton. As an aside, Newton may have been "wrong" about a bunch of stuff, but nearly everything you see and touch is designed and built using nothing more than Newton's view of physics. Not so bad, if you ask me. (Sadi Carnot did the groundbreaking work that led to the development of the laws of thermodynamics as we know them in about 1827. Newton was long dead by then, so let's not blame poor old Newton! If not for Newton, I would be lousy at billards.) >What about syntropy? What about the tooth fairy? Neither one will save the planet, the local solar system, the local galaxy, or the universe from their collective fate. Syntropy does not exist. Entropy does. Sorry, but not everything Bucky said or wrote was fact. >Here is a quote from Synergetics 2: OK, my dissection and post-mortem on the quote is indented like this line. >"935.17 Einstein assumed hypothetically that energies given off >omnidirectionally with the ever-increasing disorder of entropy by all the >stars were being antientropically imported, sorted, and accumulated in >various other elsewheres. Translation: Einstein said "What if?" one day, after a nice lunch. Since Einstein was in theoretical physics, this sort of speculation was his day gig (nice work if you can get it!). This was pure speculation on Einstein's part, which Bucky seems to have positioned as some sort of refutation of entropy by the then hero-worshipped Albert Einstein. I can't claim to speak for either, but assure you that a person of Einstein's level knew the basic rules of the game. >He showed that when radiant energy interferes with itself, it can, and >probably does, tie itself precessionally into local and orderly knots. Well, if I were to drop a copy of Einstein's "Ideas and Opinions" into one end of a pond, and drop "Synergetics 2" into the other, the surface wave patterns created will interact with each other, and make the same sort of "local and orderly 'knots' mentioned by Bucky. Does this somehow reverse the basic process of entropy? Nope. It is just a very temporary pretty pattern. Those keeping score should note that the destruction of two perfectly good books in this test is an example of "stupidity", not "entropy". >Einstein must have noted... Here it appears that Bucky is off on a tangent, where he takes the liberty of putting thoughts in Einstein's head, and words in his mouth. Saying that Einstein "must" have noted something does not imply that he did, but tends to indicate that he did NOT, since once assumes that a quite would be used if available. >...that on Earth children do not disintegrate entropically but >multiply their hydrocarbon molecules in an orderly fashion. >Einstein assumed Earthian biology to be reverse entropy." I do not agree with this last statement by Bucky at all, and would demand strict proof that Einstein ever wrote or said anything so blantantly silly. Natural processes (including biological ones) may well increase LOCAL order, but only at the expense of creating a greater amount of disorder IN GENERAL (somewhere else). For example, when you vacumn your house, you make your little part of the world a little cleaner, but you made somewhere else (likely downwind of a coal-fired power plant) much more dirty. The net result - a loss for the universe as a whole. >> 1) It is a "problem", in that a rather nice little >> planet gets vaporized, through no fault of its own. >Shit happens, eh? No!!!! The point is that even "shit" would NOT happen. Scary, huh? >More certain than the heat death of the entire universe is that humankind >will be ingenious enough to colonize other planets, moons, asteroids and >structures of their own devising. I can't agree. There is NOTHING more certain than the eventual heat death of the universe. And "humankind", being anything BUT "kind", has some rather long odds on getting off the planet in large numbers before the lack of kindness kills everyone. Regardless, we can't exactly "run away" from the heat death issue. All we can do is accept the temporary nature of the game, and try to have fun before time is called. Not to worry, I still buy long-term tax free municipal bonds, even though I know that NOTHING is a good investment over the REAL long term. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:07:41 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: "Changing The World", if possible elias@magi.com said: >The guys in the psych labs probably never heard of Jung, Maslow or >the entire feild of Transpersonal Psychology. Well, the boys in the psych lab have often been heard to reply to complaints that it seems impossible to satisfy one's hierarchy of needs before getting very very old thusly: "You are only as Jung as you feel..." The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:05:49 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jan Lamprecht Organization: Internet Africa Subject: THE PLUMB LINE EXPERIMENTS THE PLUMB LINE EXPERIMENTS I came across the following in a very old book, probably written around 1905 or thereabouts. I am very curious about the actual experiments which were done - even if done incorrectly. 1. What was the distance between the plumb lines in the first two experiments? 2. In the 3rd experiment it talks of using two shafts instead of one - does that mean that in earlier experiments the plumb lines were in the same shaft? 3. In which direction were the plumb lines aligned? North-South, East-West? Or what? 4. Was there always a tunnel between the lines - if so - how long was it? As I say, I'd appreciate any more information about this strange little experiment, and whether anyone has done anything since then? What if it was done above ground? Would the results perhaps be different? Are there any further records about this incidenct? Did the experimeters take into account the affect the tunnel might have on the experiment? Kindly reply by e-mail - since I don't actively monitor this newsgroup. Thanks. Here is the text from my old book: Sometime prior to 1901, the French Government, wishing to determine more accurately the actual size of the Earth, so that they could revise and refine their calcu- lations regarding the distance to the sun, hit on a way to measure the difference in dis- tance apart at the top of two lines perpen- dicular to the surface of the Earth and the bottom of those same two lines. They wanted a pair of lines long enough to give them an appreciable measurement. Obviously they could not erect two parallel poles a mile high, but they did feel they could suspend two plumb bobs a mile deep into a mine shaft, and thus be able to measure the distance apart at the top and the distance apart at the bottom, which would be slightly less. They wanted to know exactly how much less. The result of these tests were very strange. So strange that the French Geodetic scientists contacted the scientists of the American Ge- odetic Survey and conveyed their results to them, with the request that similar tests be conducted in this country. Officially, nothing was done for some years, But in 1901, one of the Geodetic surveyors happened to beworking in the vicinity of the Tamarack mines near Calumet, Michigan. He contacted the chief engineer at Tamarack, and informed him of the information transmitted by the French government. Two mine shafts were selected, and plumb lines exactly 4,250 feet long were suspended in each mine. At the end of these lines a sixty pound bob was hung. In order to pre- vent movement through a horizontal direction, each bob was suspended in a tank of oil placed at the bottom of the mine shafts. |n this way, it was reasoned, magnetic forces could not effect them. The lines used to sus- pend the bobs were No. 24 piano wires. For twenty-four hours the lines were allowed to hang, so that there would be no possibility of movement from putting them in place still remaining in the lines. The measurements were begun. It was then that it was discovered that the French Geodetic engineers had not made a mistake. Careful re-checking proved that the lines , contrary to expectations , were farther apart at the bottom than at the top! There can be only one implication to such a strange result - the center of gravity is not, as previously believed, at the center of the Earth. Greatly puzzled, and not a little disturbed, the Tamarack engineer sent for Professor McNair of the Michigan College of Mines. With McNair there to check his results, the experiment was repeated, the measurements gone over again, and both men were con- vinced that no error had beenmade. Professor McNair suggested that the plumb bobs be changed to a non-magnetic metal to overcome any possibility of magnetic attraction or re- pulsion due to a magnetic ore body nearby. But when this was done, the same figures were arrived at. If magnetic influences had been at work, they would have varied with different metals, but they did not. Now, suggested McNair, it would be a good idea to prevent air currents from traveling up and down the mine shafts which might be affecting the plumb lines . Thus, both mine shafts were sealed at the top. Once more the figures remained the same. Professor McNair, when questioned, stated for publication that he had proved that mag- netic attraction from the Earth or the sides of the shaft did not cause the strange di- vergence. Then he went back to the Michigan College of Mines and wiped the whole thing from his mind. A second series of experiments were con- ducted at Calumet. This time two elevator shafts into the mine were used instead of one, those numbered two and five. These two were 4,250 feet apart, and were also 4,250 feet deep. They were connected at the bottom by a perfectly straight transverse tunnel. Now, plumb bobs were hung in each shaft, and measurements were made. This time it was found that the plumb lines were 8.22 inches farther apart at the bottom than at the top. It did not take the Tamarack engineer long to discover that this figure exactly represents the divergence that would be necessary to complete a 360 degree spherical circumfer- ence. There was only one difficulty - as expressed by the plumb lines, it would be the circumference of the inside of a sphere, and not the outside! Fllrther, the center of grav- ity, as expressed by the angles formed by the plumb lines , would be approximately 4,000 miles out in space! Obviously this could not be true, because if the Chinese were to make calculations based on a similar pair of mine shafts in their country, on the opposite side of the globe, the center of gravity would be found to be 4000 miles in the other direction. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:34:22 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerald de Jong Organization: MINT (Media Integration) BV Subject: Re: Synergetics II For Sale. In <4hgf9u$t5f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> wlauritzen@aol.com (WLauritzen) writes: >I have a paperback copy of Synergetics II for sale. >Good to Excellent condition. Has all color plates. >Since I have two other copies hardcover, I figure why not let someone else >enjoy it. I have no doubt that it will go up in value as the years go by, >and I am partially interested in selling it to see how much it will go for >at this date. >I want a minimum of $50 plus shipping. i WANT it! and i'll pay this amount. let me know if anyone else is in on the auction, cos i'll bid higher. -- //---------------------------------------------- // gerald@mint.nl ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:39:55 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: mysticism > and elias@magi.com commented: > >>Aren't you being decidedly Newtonian (hence pessimistic) in your outlook. > .........> > Newton had no idea that the laws of Thermodynamics existed, > so while the facts of the matter may be pessimistic, no one > who states them can be tarred with the same brush as the oft > unjustly discredited Newton. As an aside, Newton may have > been "wrong" about a bunch of stuff, but nearly everything > you see and touch is designed and built using nothing more > than Newton's view of physics. Not so bad, if you ask me. I agree, without Newton we probably would not have such an amazing array of technology---at this point in time. However, there are serious philosophical problems with the "Newtonian" paradigm. By "Newtonian" I mean, deterministic, cartesian, and any theories which are totaly seperated from the mind (ie philosophy). Also the psychology of B.F. Skinner and Pavlov. Now I'm not discrediting these things, but, as you know, these lines of thought have dominated this century. So look around and take a snif...do you smell the new world odour? I think that these dated paradigms which consider anything metaphysical to be a fairy tale are beginning to rot---though the clanking machinery still grinds away. >>What about syntropy? > What about the tooth fairy? Neither one will save the planet, > the local solar system, the local galaxy, or the universe from > their collective fate. Syntropy does not exist. Entropy does. > Sorry, but not everything Bucky said or wrote was fact. Of course. Syntropy has not been proven to exist. But is it not evident, perhaps in the fact that there is Life in Universe? If Entropy exists and a complementary principle such as Syntropy did not exist, how did the first atom (?Hydrogen?), the rest of the elements, simle molecules and really complex molecules (such as DNA and amino acids) ever form? Even if you plug in some theory like it all happened by chance, I'm still going to say that the chance or random events (ie, not entropic) are really syntropic events. I've got a copy of Order out of Chaos by Ilya Prigogine. I'll have to read it and get back to you. But what I'm saying is that entropy and syntropy COEXIST and the Newtonian line of thought ends at the existence of entropy, which I don't agree with so it might come across like I'm slamming Newton. >>Einstein must have noted... > > Here it appears that Bucky is off on a tangent, where he takes > the liberty of putting thoughts in Einstein's head... + > I do not agree with this last statement by Bucky at all, > and would demand strict proof that Einstein ever wrote > or said anything so blantantly silly. My fault entirely. For sake of berevity I did not include a disclaimer which was part of the section I quoted (935.17). "(This account does not presume to recapitulate the actual thought processes of Einstein at any given point in the development of his philosophy; rather it attempts to illustrate some of the inevitable conclusions that derive from his premises.)" > Natural processes > (including biological ones) may well increase LOCAL order, > but only at the expense of creating a greater amount of > disorder IN GENERAL (somewhere else). > For example, when you vacumn your house... How do plants, which take in entropically released photons from the Sun, to create local order, cause disorder? In fact, I would argue that they cause SURPLUS order! The vacum cleaner example is not a good example to support your argument since it is of human devising and we have not YET figured out how to make our technology as benign as Nature, hence it is skewed to the side of entropy. At risk of opening up the pandora's box again, it may be interesting to note Bucky's reformulation of E=Mc^2 in Synergetics. P=GR^2 Where P is the PHYSICAL: "All the physical is energy" G is SYNTROPY: "Energy associative as matter precession, gravity, magnetics, interference knotting." R is ENTROPY: "Energy as radiation, Energy disassociative." >From section 1056.20 "Cosmic Hierarchy of Comprehensively Embracing and Permeating Generalizations-of-Generalization==gg^n" What a mouth/mind-full! It is a very interesting table of 38 elements. P, G, and R are 32, 31, and 30 respectfully. 38 is the Cosmic Integrity and the last 18 are variations on the concept ME (I guess a human individual). Would be great as a web page with links to other sections of SYNERGETICS. elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:19:42 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Of Mice and Men (and mazes!) I said, in reply to Rick Merlin Levine: > I have never been a big fan of "action at a distance" in any > application other than photon-to-photon signaling. Photons > can do it. How, we do not know. To argue that humans can > do the same seems a bit premature. ...and Rick Merlin Levine retorted: >>> And whether or not you "are a big fan of ACTION AT A DISTANCE", the is a >>> body of experiencial and experimental evidence that must be contended >>> with. Medieval Europeans were not big fans of a heliocentric planetary >>> system or a spherical earth, but it was only their ignorance. then Jack Lazariuk asked Rick: >>I am curious why you would compare his remark to those who refused to >>accept that the Earth was not flat.? >> >>What issues does bringing this comparison forward address to warrent >>it's being used ? Does this subject have some special emotional >>significence to you ? Calling someone a member of the "flat earth" society is a not so subtle way of calling them an un-thinking fool. Rick is entitled to his own opinion. Likewise, I am entitled to my own opinion about the claimed "body of experiencial and experimental evidence". then Elias Tabello observed: >It is my suspicion that James and Rich have quite different mentalities. >James works at a large superconducting facility. Not at all. The only "super-conductors" I have ever met in person are Lenoard Bernstein and Michael Tilson Thomas. The Information Supercollider is my privately-owned supercomputer-class machine. It is just a big pile of silicon. It has no superconductors in it all. Not yet, anyway... >Rich is making a point about a new and very radical theory of nature put >forth by Rupert Sheldrake. A theory which most hard-core scientists >would probably dismisss if it was casually mentioned to them, and very >few have the time or the inclination to keep up on new developments >that are vastly outside of their domain. Any self-respecting scientist would have no CHOICE but to doubt a new theory that had not been subjected to sufficient testing by independent parties. I like to consider myself a scientist with a certain amount of self-respect. It is true that the area of inquiry is outside the subjects of great interest to me, but I like to stay in touch with work in other fields, if nothing else than to be able to follow the conversation at cocktail parties. I will attempt to lay out what little I do know about lab mice: The Jackson Lab (near Bar Harbor, Maine) is where the majority of rats are bred that become breed stock for the sort of experiments done where small furry creatures are required. I would suggest that we get their opinion on the claim that memory of a specific maze can be "bred into" a strain of rats. In actual fact, most "lab mice" are strains of rats based upon the "Norwegian Gray Rat". One can even patent a "mouse" these days. It is a very strange world indeed that allows a man to patent one of God's creatures or creations. I am sure that one could breed mice that were better maze-runners IN GENERAL. The entire history of the dog is a record of the success at breeding animals for very narrow specialized tasks. I cannot (yet) accept that one could somehow create a "genetic memory" of a single specific maze. There is a fine line between theory and fact, and it is called "proof". I will wait for confirmed proof on this one, folks. Overall, "science" is not "Science" (with a capital "S") until the results have been verified by multiple independent parties. I may be judged harshly for waiting, but I also took quite a bit of heat for my "wait and see" view towards reports of "cold fusion". To speculate, if solving the maze was a prerequisite for any one mouse to be allowed to breed or survive, then it would make sense that the offspring would be better maze-runners IN GENERAL. This is simple Darwin, where the experimenter is creating a new "environment" to which the mice must adapt. Those who are good at mazes survive (and/or reproduce), while those who are lousy at mazes do not (survive to) reproduce. Even if the only difference were the cheeze at the center of the maze, it may well be that the extra cheeze (protein) in the diet of the mice that solve the maze make them better able to reproduce in larger numbers, or with healthier offspring. I would be >> VERY << impressed if: a) The solution to the original maze was (for example) left, right, left, left, left, right. b) Times on this specific maze went down with each generation of mice. c) Mice placed in a DIFFERENT maze made similar ERRORS in the new maze, where their path was left, right, left, left, left, right. This would tend to indicate that the solution to a specific maze HAD been somehow passed on, rather than general maze "skills". The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:55:06 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: THE PLUMB LINE EXPERIMENTS Jan Lamprecht revealed: >THE PLUMB LINE EXPERIMENTS > >I came across the following in a very old book, probably written around >1905 or thereabouts. I am very curious about the actual experiments which >were done - even if done incorrectly. Could you name the book, publisher, author, and date? I like to collect copies of texts that address the "Lighter Side Of Gravity". I would not worry too much - I just finished wrestling with my St. Benards, and I assure you that when I was knocked off my feet (a common thing when one plays with 200 lb plus dogs), I fell TOWARD the earth, not toward a point 4000 miles away. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:50:16 GMT+0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Venter, Dawie" Organization: Denel Informatics, Cape Reg Office Subject: DOMEBOOK 2 I came across this in Domebook 2. Makes for interesting reading (in hindsight). --- begin quote --- "Preface to the third edition of Domebook 2. This book was originally written in 1971 as an instruction manual for domebuilders. It was the result of our own intensive building experimentation over a three year period, and communications with domebuilders throughout the country. In the years since, we have had the time to evaluate our experiments and as a result we have become greatly disillusioned with domes, plastics (especially urathane foams), and technological approaches to building. We now realize there will be no new or wondrous solution to housing; that the basic ingredients of sound, ecological, aesthetic homes are still simple design, natural materials, and the use of human hands. The highly processed materials usually required for domes have short lifespans, curved spaces are difficult to make liveable, and most domes leak. A few years ago we ran across a statement made by Saxton T. Pope about Ishi, the sole surviving member of California's Yahi tribe: He looked upon us as sophisticated children, smart but not wise. It seems like a metaphor for our work. Smart: the abstract idea, math, computers, new materials and technology. Yet far from wise, for we now realize there is more to wisdom of the past, to use local techniques and materials, to structures shaped by imagination, not mathematics, then in any further extension of whiteman technoplastic prowess. We continue to publish Domebook 2 for historical interest, not as an instruction manual. For these structures, materials, and methods are far from a quick technological cure-all for mankind's shelter needs. Our recent thinking is contained within the essay Smart But Not Wise on page 86, and in our new book Shelter. " --- end quote --- All I can say is: "the only way to make a comeback is to first have experienced a setback". Dome building has cetainly progressed since those early days. Dawie Venter ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 05:39:18 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak <73737.2601@COMPUSERVE.COM> Organization: Environmental Valving Subject: Re: Geodesics outside USA? James, Technical side note: To the best of my knowledge and experience (and as noted in RBF's geodesic dome patent) You can't build a geodesic dome with members of only one length. It is the difference in lengths that produce curviture. Otherwise, you have a flat surface. -- Make it so. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 06:16:22 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak <73737.2601@COMPUSERVE.COM> Organization: Environmental Valving Subject: Re: syn-l: modeling technique Karl, The simplest method i've found for modeling is to use plastic straws. Sqashing the ends and pinning them together using "ear studs" as found in hobby stores for creating ear adornments. I use the ones with big round flat heads. This is a cheap method for making basic stick figure solids. If you want to explore tensegrity structure (of a more refined type) you might try the methods described in "DOME NOTES" by Peter Hjersman. He uses notched dowels and rubber bands. tony -- Make it so. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:08:55 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: Dymaxion Map Flag Bill-- Several individuals produced a limited edition of a triangular flag with the Dymaxion map on a blue field during the early 1980s as a gesture symbolizing world peace. The use of the map was authorized by the Fuller family. The flag was inaugurated at a ceremony atop the Art Museum steps overlooking Philadelphia, presided over by Rev. Paul Washington, a prominent activist minister in the African American community. The flag was promoted over a number of years at a number of events in a number of countries around the world, including Europe and Israel (where it was carried by a swimmer and confiscated in UN-supervised restricted waters). --Kiyoshi >> bill paton wrote: >> >> >I would be interested in getting a Flag (Various sizes) with the Dymaxion >> >map. It seems to me to be the perfect map promoting a new world, since it >> >is apolitical (unlike the United Nations Flag) and it shows the entire >> >world. Anyone else interested in this before I submit the idea to the >> >Buckminster Fuller Institute? >> >great idea Bill > _____________________________________________________________ Kiyoshi Kuromiya Critical Path AIDS Project Address: 2062 Lombard St, Phila., PA 19146 Email: kiyoshi@critpath.org Hotline: (215) 545-2212 (24-hr) Fax: (215) 735-2762 or (215) 545-2212 Internet or BBS: (215) 463-7160 Web Home Page: http://www.critpath.org Beeper: (800) 973-8084 for toll-free call-back ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:55:48 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Subject: Morphogenic Fields & Syntropy If there are morphogenic fields of race memory then children would be born knowing how to tie their shoes and read and write. Obviously this is not the case. We are born blessedly ignorant so that we can learn to adapt to the special case scenario of our local universe. The infant seems to know only what to do with a nipple - every other task involves a learning curve and significant trial and error. The syntropic energy importing and sorting centers are black holes - these are the drains in the universe's heat sink. Energy/matter is entropic : Space is syntropic. The Isomatrix has 2 A modules (syntropic) for every B module (entropic). ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:55:23 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: Synergetics II For Sale. In Message Tue, 05 Mar 1996 14:34:22 +0100, Gerald de Jong writes: >In <4hgf9u$t5f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> wlauritzen@aol.com (WLauritzen) writes: >>I have a paperback copy of Synergetics II for sale. >>Good to Excellent condition. Has all color plates. >>Since I have two other copies hardcover, I figure why not let someone else > >>enjoy it. I have no doubt that it will go up in value as the years go by, >>and I am partially interested in selling it to see how much it will go for >>at this date. >>I want a minimum of $50 plus shipping. > >i WANT it! and i'll pay this amount. let me know if anyone else is in >on the auction, cos i'll bid higher. > I am, i will pay $ 51 1/2 . Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:32:37 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Geodesics outside USA? In-Reply-To: <4hj8e6$26g$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>; from "Tony Kalenak" at Mar 6, 96 5:39 am Tony Kalenak writes: > James, > Technical side note: > To the best of my knowledge and experience > (and as noted in RBF's geodesic dome patent) > You can't build a geodesic dome with members of only one length. > It is the difference in lengths that produce curviture. > Otherwise, you have a flat surface. But you can if it is a TENSEGRITY dome. See: _Dymaxion World of RBF_, figs 279-80. _Inventions_, page 191. US Patent # 3,063,521. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:42:08 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ann Cunningham Organization: Ohio University, Athens Ohio, USA Subject: Oregon Domes good/bad? Just looking for comments from people who have built a Oregon Dome home. Are they reputable? Do they have good plans? How good is their support? Are the materials of good quality? DO THEY LEAK??? Sorry about all the questions. The whole business of dome homes is fascinating, but overwhelming! Thanks in advance Ann Cunningham aa584@seorf.ohiou.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:03:10 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Geodesics outside USA? Tony Kalenak said: >Technical side note: >To the best of my knowledge and experience >(and as noted in RBF's geodesic dome patent) >You can't build a geodesic dome with members of only one length. >It is the difference in lengths that produce curviture. >Otherwise, you have a flat surface. Wanna bet? How much ya got on you? Watch carefully, at no time will my fingers leave my hands... Now the structure that results from using struts all the same length is NOT a geodesic dome, per se. I tried to make it clear that I would call the structure a "Yurt", as used by the nomads of central Europe. The technical name is a rhombo-icosa-duodekahedron, and you CAN make it, as follows: 1) Take 65 struts, all the same length. 2) The base is a circle made of 10 struts. 3) Make each base strut the bottom of a triangle. 4) Connect the tips of each adjacent triangle. 5) Make the roughly horizontal struts added in step 4 the bases of another layer of triangles. 6) You now have a pentagon-shaped "hole" at the top of the dome-like structure. Take 5 struts and "cap" the dome. This is a Yurt-like structure. Note that the "hexagons" around the sides of the structure share two triangles with the pentagons to each side, and that all the pentagons "push outward" from the surface of the shell. Another way of thinking about the shape is that you build 5 "Chrysler Logo" type pentagons (in that each pentagon has a strut running from each vertex to a central point), and attach them to each other at their respective "leftmost" and "rightmost" points to form a circle. You then fill in the spaces between them with more struts, making more triangles. You then "cap" the structure with a 6th identical "Chrysler Logo". I have a number of different models hanging on the walls and ceilings of my computer room. NO ONE has ever noticed the difference between the equal-length "yurt" and the more complex geodesics. The advantages here should be obvious. If I was to mass-produce equilateral triangles from stress skin panels, and come up with a few "door panels" and "window panels", I could ship you a complete house shell that could be assembled before you could say "Buckminster Fuller". No messy math. No complicated angles. No strange bits that can get confused with other stange bits. Anyone wanna get into the kit-house business? Send mail. >Make it so. I already did. ...but I still canna give ye wrap 8, captain! The dilithium crystals will crack fer sure! The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:51:12 -0500 Reply-To: OREGDOME Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: OREGDOME Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Oregon Domes good/bad? Ann, I hope that you get a good response. If you don't, I'd be happy to supply you with our references. Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. oregdome@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:45:54 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Scholar a poet puts events together! what is a scholar? what is integrity? for the last question there is a book which might shed light on what is not integrity: the Image Daniel J.Boorstin penguin 1962 tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:37:21 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: Morphogenic Fields & Syntropy Two questions: What exactly IS a black hole? How are biologicals NOT syntropic? elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:05:51 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Synergetics II Auction After two days I have one bid for 50, one for 51 and 1/2 dollars one for 55 dollars total. (I assume this means including shipping) one for 55 dollars. (I assume this does not include shipping) So the last one, given by Ron Posner is tops. Come on you guys. This isn't going to make much of a dent in my car repair bill :) May I remind you all that Synergetics II includes corrections to Synergetics I, as well as a very useful INDEX to BOTH volumes. :) Anyway the bidding is at 55, so, do I have another bid? William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:28:22 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: Synergetics II Auction On my way to Mexico this summer I stopped by Carlsbad California. Its a pretty boring place seemingly built out of roads near San Diego. Anyway I walked into the only used book store in town and had a look around. The elderly man who owned the place asked me if he could help me find anything. Sure I said, Buckminster Fuller and Phillip K Dick for starters. He said nope, but take a look around anyway. I immediatly picked out a hardcover copy of Synergetics II. I was on the floor and sort of under a shelf. They were asking $15, but were so glad I bought it that they threw in How to Prune Fruit Trees for free! I'll bet there are a few more copies out there gathering dust, and no matter how many book searches you buy, none beats rooting around in every old book store you see. elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:19:33 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dan McEvers Organization: P.O.W.E.R. Net Subject: DynaDome address? I tried to write DynaDome in Phoenix and got my note back, returned to sender. Have they got a new address or name? Are they still around? Does anyone have any leads on how to get some of their hub kits? Thanks. dmcevers@poweramp.net ==> http://www.poweramp.net/~dmcevers (Spokane, WA) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:37:22 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: Synergetics II Auction In Message Wed, 06 Mar 1996 19:05:51 -0500, WLauritzen writes: >After two days I have one bid for 50, >one for 51 and 1/2 dollars >one for 55 dollars total. (I assume this means including shipping) >one for 55 dollars. (I assume this does not include shipping) >So the last one, given by Ron Posner is tops. >Come on you guys. This isn't going to make much of a dent in my car >repair bill :) >May I remind you all that Synergetics II includes corrections to >Synergetics I, as well as a very useful INDEX to BOTH volumes. :) Anyway >the bidding is at 55, so, do I have another bid? the book defintly should go to gerald de jong, we are in holland and copy of II is not easy to get here, giving all the affort that gerald have doen to expand synergetic, he must get it. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:18:10 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tognon Marco Organization: PING Belgium Subject: Re: Modeling Kit Chuck Stoffregen wrote: > > I found a source for a pretty inexpensive dome model kit. Omni Kit is made > by Avionics Plastic Corperation, Hauppaauge, New York 11788. > > It is distributed by Pitsco, a Tech. Ed. supply house.The telephone number is > 1-800-835-0686. > Helo Chuck, Great to have found a supplier of these rubber thingies. I try to find them for over three years now. But alaas, it is very hard to dial the 800 number you mention. Maybe you can find another number that can be reached from OUTSIDE the USA. I think, no i'm shure, I will make a lot of wire frame domes with the information supplied by the fabulous program; Dome 4.s0 from Rick Bono. Try the one(Dome 4.20) and then the other (your rubber thingies) I know you will do all readers from outside the US a great service with another telephone or fax number. Regards, Marco Tognon, from Belgium (Marco.Tognon@ping.be) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:06:39 +1200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rose Specht Subject: Re: "Changing The World", if possible >>The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. >>Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. > >> james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com > >things *are* changing. it's just happening so slowly it's hard >to notice.--------------------------------------------- >// gerald@mint.nl Things are changing, and changing very rapidly. It is hard to notice the changes because we are in the flow of change. Like moving in a river, it is difficult to tell how far one has travelled without observing a fixed point, or being the fixed point on the shore. Right now there are no good fixed points of observation. Humanity's consciousness is evolving at an unprecedented rate. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:11:29 +1200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rose Specht Subject: Re: Morphogenic Fields & Syntropy Regarding the statement: "If there are morphogenic fields of race memory then children would be born knowing how to tie their shoes and read and write. Obviously this is not the case. We are born blessedly ignorant so that we can >learn to adapt to the special case scenario of our local universe. The >infant seems to know only what to do with a nipple - every other task >involves a learning curve and significant trial and error." > To this I reply: The fact that children are born unable to tie their shoes only proves that they are born into a morphogenic field that holds the thoughtform that "children are born blessedly ignorant." This is the morphogenic field in action--it does not disprove the morphogenic field of race memory at all. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:38:20 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Rhombo-icosa-duodekahedron (again) I said: >> The technical name is a rhombo-icosa-duodekahedron, and >> you CAN make it, as follows: [Digital Weed-Wacker Invoked] and Mike McGary said: >I followed these instructions....but I still can't arrive at your >described dome. Guess I'll have to dig out my 'Geometry of Nature' >book.... OK, try the "Chrysler Logo" approach. Each "Chrysler Logo" is made from 10 struts of equal length, as follows: 1) Make a planar (flat) pentagon. Lay it down. 2) Connect each corner of the pentagon with a strut that runs to a point centered, but ABOVE the planar surface of the pentagon. The result is that you have a pentagon made of 5 equilateral triangles. 3) Connect the 5 struts that meet at the point mentioned in step 2. Now follow the "Chrysler Logo" instructions in my prior message. (5 Chrysler logos, joined at their left and rightmost points to form a circular wall. Fill in the triangular spaces between the pentagons with more struts to form more triangles. Cap the structure with another "Chrysler Logo" subassembly.) The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:28:46 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Synergetics II Auction In article , Elias Tabello writes: >I'll bet there are a few more copies out there gathering dust, and no matter >how many book searches you buy, none beats rooting around in every old book >store you see. > > Well I got my copies of Synergetics II the same way you did, Elias, and cheaply, too. However, once I had my first copy, I doubt very much whether I would have accepted under 50,000 dollars for the book. How could I be sure there was another one? Of course I suppose I could have violated Bucky's copywrite and made a xerox of the book, but I wouldn't have felt too comfortable with that. In any case even though I have more than one copy now I am very reluctant to part with it. Since you are recommending to these people to snoop around in old book stores, perhaps you would like to put up YOUR COPY of Synergetics II for sale at much reduced price. That would be fine with me, because then I could hang on to all my copies and give them to my brother or mother or nephew. William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 04:15:36 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak <73737.2601@COMPUSERVE.COM> Organization: Environmental Valving Subject: Re: Geodesics outside USA? Several advantages are odvious, yet if the structure isn't geodesic several structural advantages are missing. The members in a geodesic dome are generally uniformly stressed and the stresses encountered by the structure are spread out evenly over the dome. If you ignore the Geodesic aspects you loose their advantages. -- Make it so. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 04:22:37 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak <73737.2601@COMPUSERVE.COM> Organization: Environmental Valving Subject: Re: syn-l: modeling technique the phase "ear studs" should read "tie tack". tie tacks hold much better than ear studs. -- Make it so. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:46:57 -0500 Reply-To: AndrsHousr Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: AndrsHousr Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: A zero-fossil-fuel studio? Hey Nick, interesting post. I am planning a 12x20 enclosed sunroom of the west face of my home. The south wall will be curved sunroom component (not sure what else to call it?) with the other walls super insulated w/ tri[le pane windows. I had intended to use a 16" concrete slab for heat storage possibly with a fluid loop to a heat exchanger. Your comments using 55 gallon barrels under the floor intrigue me. I assume I would want to place as many barrels as would fit in the space. Is there a better floor/heat transfer medium than the concrete when using barrels? Your comments (and others) welcome. andrshousr@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:39:22 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Geodesics outside USA? the rhombicosadodecahedron (I just love your quaint spelling, James; you and Quayle) is the hub for Zometool (tm) -- I forget thje patent#. it's dual, the pentagonal 62-gon, can model all of the same symmetries with one (cross-section) shape of strut. ----- "Time is the only dimension." -RBFuller Congecture on "FG#s": Non Compos Mentis!... We return thee to thou couches, Potatoes. ----- On Palmtree BBS: brihut@pro-palmtree.cts.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:53:27 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: mysticism ah, belief in Local Second Law as applying to Universe is inherent in the Religion of Bag Bing, but see "Alfven cosmology". ----- "Time is the only dimension." -RBFuller Congecture on "FG#s": Non Compos Mentis!... We return thee to thou couches, Potatoes. ----- On Palmtree BBS: brihut@pro-palmtree.cts.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:57:18 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: mysticism ooops; that was Boltzmann's "importing centers", not Einstein's! ----- "Time is the only dimension." -RBFuller Congecture on "FG#s": Non Compos Mentis!... We return thee to thou couches, Potatoes. ----- On Palmtree BBS: brihut@pro-palmtree.cts.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 04:53:22 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak <73737.2601@COMPUSERVE.COM> Organization: Environmental Valving Subject: Re: Synergetics II Auction Amen to the "nothing beats searching around old book store" thing. I found my old hard cover edition of "INTUITION" in a book sale at a church fair. -- Make it so. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 05:27:31 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: Re: syn-l: Re: Examples please... Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com brian: >you've ever seen examples of his E' language, you'd see that >the supposed elimination of "to be" in all its conjugations, or >"not to be", is largely unsuccessful... the sentiments of 'E prime' are reasonable, however. the idea is that 'is' carries too strong a connotation of identity, as opposed to simply association, and thus misleads people into a sense of 'truth' instead of a more operational sense of significance or utility. some (such as robert anton wilson) suggest replacing 'is' with such constructs as 'seems to be' - the 'seems' is an identity term, but current usage carries a connotation of doubt, an operational agnosticism. my own preferred way of considering E prime is in terms of replacing 'is' with 'as'. the result is that statements of 'fact' are transformed into context definitions, with assumed assertion of significance. 'truth as beauty, beauty as truth'... the usage creates statements that seem more palatable to anyone, simply because it creates a *considerable*, as opposed to demanding agreement. the reader need merely assent to the thinkability of the context, and proceed by looking for significance within that context. the simple replacement of all instances of 'is' (& conjugates) with 'as' often creates 'nongrammatical' sentences (no verbs) which can be awkward to decipher. this suggests that statements using the construct might be better designed while taking the construct into account - as opposed to the mere transformation of old text. bucky's writing might have benefitted quite a bit from the usage of a technique like the above. as it stands, much of his speculation comes across as assertion of certainty. the simple solution, of course, is to read his writing (and any writing) *as if* it were written in E prime. this does little to help the uninitiated reader, of course. also, i feel that there is a place for 'is' at least in realms of exceptionless truths - such as the realm of geometry or mathematics. statements of personal opinion can also non-misleadingly invoke 'is' if the defined identities are acknowledgedly subjective. 'is' is such a spontaneously usable word that it is unlikely to disappear (and i won't bother avoiding it, at least right now), so perhaps E prime is more useful as an input filter than an output filter. a healthy skepticism of any asserted truth is useful self-discipline, but it is also perhaps appropriate to be skeptical of the idea that a communication is *intended* to be dogmatic, simply because it uses terms like 'is'. bucky, for example, has said suchlike things as 'don't try to make me consistent; i'm always learning'. i think he would want his readers to avoid taking his statements for definite truth. it is better to seek out effective demonstration of significance - if an idea is useful, then it doesn't need to be 'true'... it will *be* 'true' - in the right context. -k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:58:33 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dan McEvers Organization: P.O.W.E.R. Net Subject: FAQ's/Archives ? Where are the FAQ's and archives for this list/group? Thanks... dmcevers@poweramp.net ==> http://www.poweramp.net/~dmcevers (Spokane, WA) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:30:20 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerald de Jong Organization: MINT (Media Integration) BV Subject: Re: Modeling Kit In <4hi7i3$7o4@ping1.ping.be> Tognon Marco writes: >Great to have found a supplier of these rubber thingies. >I try to find them for over three years now. i know a shop in Amsterdam where they sell all sorts of rubber thingies! -- //---------------------------------------------- // gerald@mint.nl ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:42:33 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerald de Jong Organization: MINT (Media Integration) BV Subject: Re: Synergetics II Auction >May I remind you all that Synergetics II includes corrections to >Synergetics I, as well as a very useful INDEX to BOTH volumes. :) Anyway >the bidding is at 55, so, do I have another bid? sixty five! -- //---------------------------------------------- // gerald@mint.nl ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:40:56 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerald de Jong Organization: MINT (Media Integration) BV Subject: Re: Morphogenic Fields & Syntropy In Elias Tabello writes: > What exactly IS a black hole? something so massive that the space curvature it causes doesn't even allow light to escape. > How are biologicals NOT syntropic? biologicals consume low entropy material (food) and excrete higher entropy material (----), thereby maintaining their low entropy. stopping this process (eating) quickly raises one's entropy (death). the earth itself consumes low entropy energy (X-ray,UV,visible) and excretes higher entropy energy (infrared, etc). perhaps the sun can be said to be syntropic? it exchanges gravity (compressing and heating mass until it pops) with radiation (those rays we so love). presumably (and Bucky thought this way, i believe) the radiation eventually gets tuckered out and once again plays a part in building up gravity. there's a cycle between gravity (circumferencial) and radiation (radial). nice thoughts. -- //---------------------------------------------- // gerald@mint.nl ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:49:07 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Subject: Morphogenic Fields Of Ignorance The suggestion that human's innate ignorance is morphogenically dictated is the most ridiculous backwards logic I've tripped over in a long time. Let's put this to rest with the example I use in private - sex. There can be no argument that proper sexual technique is an ability that promotes survival of the species/gene line under any circumstances. Hence, if there were a morphogenic field of transmitted human intelligence (or deliberate ignorance) it would include superior sexual performance to promote procreation. As any fumbling teenager can tell you - there is no such transmission. We continue to feel our way along via trial and error becoming better lovers (and more efficient procreators) as we learn. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:42:54 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerald de Jong Organization: MINT (Media Integration) BV Subject: Re: "Changing The World", if possible In Rose Specht writes: >>>The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. >>>Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. >> >>> james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com >> >>things *are* changing. it's just happening so slowly it's hard >>to notice.--------------------------------------------- >>// gerald@mint.nl > Things are changing, and changing very rapidly. It is hard to notice the >changes because we are in the flow of change. Like moving in a river, it is >difficult to tell how far one has travelled without observing a fixed >point, or being the fixed point on the shore. Right now there are no good >fixed points of observation. Humanity's consciousness is evolving at an >unprecedented rate. fashions wax and wane, spirituality rises and falls, but there's no strong evidence that our consciousness is evolving. we learn small bits about nature and our planet, enough to exploit its wealth on a short-term basis, but wars continue, and the atmosphere fills ever-faster with unusual gases, and the earth is ever-more overpopulated, imbalanced and polluted. you think things are improving, and then you see Buchannan on TV. :) things *are* changing, but your river image of the evolution is largely illusory. taste the water. -- //---------------------------------------------- // gerald@mint.nl ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:48:49 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Syn-II Auction: Bidding Closed NOTICE: I have received an offer that I am happy with, and which I feel does justice to the memory of Bucky, $67, and will close the bidding as soon as he confirms. I have sent an e-mail to that person. In other words please do not make any other offers even if they are higher. William William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:41:14 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics II Auction Comments: cc: Synergetics List In-Reply-To: <38245.tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl>; from "tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL" at Mar 7, 96 10:37 am tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL writes: > >May I remind you all that Synergetics II includes corrections to > >Synergetics I, as well as a very useful INDEX to BOTH volumes. :) Anyway > the book defintly should go to gerald de jong, we are in holland > and copy of II is not easy to get here, giving all the affort > that gerald have doen to expand synergetic, he must get it. The Buckminster Fuller Master Index should be ready in abput two weeks. It includes the integrated indexes of ten Bucky books, including Synergetics. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:54:36 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Syn-II Auction: Bidding Closed NOTICE: I have accepted an offer of $67 which I am happy with and which I feel does some justice to the memory of Bucky. I have notified this person via e-mail. Therefore the bidding on this book is now closed. Please do make any more offers even if they are higher. William William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:03:42 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: Synergetics II Auction Let gerald de jong have it. If you feel that you could have got more let me know. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 09:02:34 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Morphogenic Fields & Syntropy Rose Specht observed: >Regarding the statement: >>"If there are morphogenic fields of race memory then children would be >>born knowing how to tie their shoes and read and write. Obviously this >>is not the case. We are born blessedly ignorant so that we can learn >>to adapt to the special case scenario of our local universe. The >>infant seems to know only what to do with a nipple - every other task >>involves a learning curve and significant trial and error." >To this I reply: The fact that children are born unable to tie their shoes >only proves that they are born into a morphogenic field that holds the >thoughtform that "children are born blessedly ignorant." This is the >morphogenic field in action--it does not disprove the morphogenic field of >race memory at all. Rose may be pulling our legs here, but if she is not, let me point out: 1) The concept of a "race memory" (better to call it "species memory", to avoid the negative aspects of the work "race") is clearly not proven by the LACK of any particular memory. 2) If species memory existed, it would not be wasted on insuring that everyone "remembered" to be ignorant. It would be a unique advantage to early peoples, since it would allow kids to "recall" something that would be important, something that would improve their chances of survival. Of course, I often explain to people that the Unifying Theme of my paper/design/speech/whatever is that I HAVE no Unifying Theme, but this is a deliberate (and very small) joke. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 09:46:19 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Geodesics outside USA? >Several advantages are odvious, yet if the structure isn't geodesic >several structural advantages are missing. Yeah, the resulting structure is not longer strong enough to park a truck upon. So what? >The members in a geodesic dome are generally uniformly stressed and >the stresses encountered by the structure are spread out evenly over >the dome. Very true. This should (in theory) allow me to build a geodesic dome from something like 1 x 2s. Problem is, one never can, since building codes simply don't allow such "flimsy" components, regardless of application. Therefore, I end up doing what everyone else must do, which is to build a dome from 2 x 6s or some other sinful waste of massive materials (at higher cost). >If you ignore the Geodesic aspects you loose their advantages. And the trade-off is a fair one, since the geodesic aspects force me to use more than one panel size/shape. With one standard panel, one can take advantage of the economies of scale inherent in mass-production. Anyone who doubts the cost advantages of mass-production over any specific issue of technical merit need look no further than their own surrounding to find things that, while they are not "perfect" are pretty damn impressive, since the functionality that IS delivered is delivered at reasonable cost. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 10:23:00 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "David F. Watkins" Subject: Re: Synergetics II Auction In-Reply-To: <4hoeg2$qgu$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Bucky can be found at garage sales and auctions. At a recent auction my wife got a copy of Domebook 2 as part of a whole box of stuff for $1. It also included music books of The Beatles and Joni Mitchel and various less valuable stuff. I have at least a couple of extra copies of Utopia or Oblivion purchased at garage sales. It's hard to pass up something like that for 25 cents, even when you already ahve a copy. Dave Watkins On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, Tony Kalenak wrote: > Amen to the "nothing beats searching around old book store" thing. > I found my old hard cover edition of "INTUITION" in a book sale at a > church fair. > > -- > Make it so. > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 10:50:44 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James McCaig Subject: Re: mysticism Dear friends, Thought it would be interesting to put this thread to bed with a definition of mysticism from H.I. Khan, who said it in a paragraph. "The word intelligence as it is known by us, and spoken in everyday language, does not give a full idea; especially the word intelligence as used by modern science will only convey to us something which is the outcome of matter or energy. But according to the mystic, intelligence is the primal element, or the cause as well as the effect. While science acknowledges it as the effect, the mystic sees in it the cause. One may ask, 'How can intelligence create this dense earth which is matter? There must be energy behind it.' But this question comes because we separate intelligence from energy or matter. In point of fact it is spirit which is matter, and matter which is spirit; the denseness of spirit is matter, and the fineness of matter is spirit. Intelligence becomes intelligible by turning into denseness; that denseness being manifest to its own view, creates two objects: the self, and , what is known by the self. And then comes of necessity a third object, the medium by which the self knows what it knows: the sight or the mind. The Sufi poets have pictured these three in their verse as the garden, the spring, and the nightingale. And it is these three aspects of life which are at the root of the idea of Trinity. The moment these three are realized as one, life's purpose is fulfilled." These ideas, penned around 1915, but timeless throughout literature, should provide no challenge to modern scientists. Lurking within, one can see the human wisdom that later was expressed scientifically by Einstein, quantum physics and whatever science will develop that will finally bring materialism and idealism into balance. We need to remember that science, with its reliance upon proven "facts" is usually quite far from any basic truth. It wasn't that long ago, by any objective view of time (another subject worthy of discussion) that science thought the earth was flat. Coming full circle to our friend Tagdi's original post, perhaps the "mist" in mysticism is the veil through which scientists see that which cannot be fully seen or explained in words. Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:09:45 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James McCaig Subject: Re: mysticism At 01:10 PM 3/4/96 CET, tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL wrote: > we > are basically wasting our time with useless paper and administration. > part of the reason is sedation, fear, helplesness, authority, > ignorance and > stupidity. we are so mouse like conditioned that it is hardly > worth it being spirtual. If i had a smart card with 1million > dollar then i think i would feel great, and if i had to die > later it's no problem, at least i would not die poor opressed > and never doen what i would like to have doen. > > Tagdi Ah, materialism is great. Be sure, though, that your smart card is connected to a bank or society that will not be bankrupt, overthrown or subject to hyperinflation. At our present rate $1 Milllion might buy you a nice little Toyota in 20 or so years. There was a time in this century that a million marks bought next to nothing. Better spiritual and awake than depending on some government to stand behind its promise to pay. Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 08:41:52 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: PAPERBOARD DOMES Comments: To: Dan McEvers In-Reply-To: <9603091237.AA08819@nyx.net>; from "Dan McEvers" at Mar 9, 96 5:37 am Dan McEvers writes: > > In article <9603030820.aa16652@bbs.cruzio.com> you wrote: > : According to Bucky, the least expensive way of providing shelter is to build > : domes out of cardboard using printing presses. Are there any paperboard domes > : commercially available? > > Try to find the book, "Paper Houses" > .- I've got a reference to that book but I've never read it. I'm going to post my updated poopsheet about paperboard homes to the Geodesic list. If you can add to my paperboard bibliography, please do so. I think paperboard domes have great untapped potential! -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 08:54:44 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: FAQ's/Archives ? In-Reply-To: <4hovrg$ndj@pogo.poweramp.net>; from "Dan McEvers" at Mar 8, 96 9:58 am Dan McEvers writes: > > Where are the FAQ's and archives for this list/group? > > Thanks... > > dmcevers@poweramp.net ==> http://www.poweramp.net/~dmcevers (Spokane, WA) http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf/fuller-faq.html -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:58:33 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Subject: Yurt / 2f icosahedron I built a yurt (toothpicks and gluegun). This looks to me like half of a two frequency icosahedron. I don't understand the name James & Zometool are using for it. Also, why wouldn't an icosahedron serve as a single-length edge geodesic dome? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:33:57 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: Morphogenic Fields & Syntropy >> How are biologicals NOT syntropic? > >biologicals consume low entropy material (food) and excrete higher >entropy material (----), thereby maintaining their low entropy. >stopping this process (eating) quickly raises one's entropy (death). >the earth itself consumes low entropy energy (X-ray,UV,visible) and >excretes higher entropy energy (infrared, etc). > This is action-reaction thinking that ignores the resultant, ie the synergy of the entire process. The resultant is that biologicals GROW, LEARN, REPRODUCE, THRIVE & EVOLVE, (perhaps leaving behind volumes of books or rooms full of artifacts before disintegrating). I think that these things are inherently anti-entropic. When a weed dies, this can be seen as entropic if you separate the dead weed from its surroundings (or place it in a lab to do an entropy experiment). But don't we have to take into account the tens of thousands of seeds that this one plant has left behind? Many of these seeds will have NOVEL genetic material, especially when prodded by curious gardeners and large multinational interests. How about the other things that thrive on the dead plant? Is not the web of life on Earth anti-entropic?--even if it does get swallowed up in a huge fireball one day. elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:38:02 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: Synergetics II Auction >Since you are recommending >to these people to snoop around in old book stores, perhaps you would like >to put up YOUR COPY of Synergetics II for sale at much reduced price. Actually I had no intention of selling my copy, I was just advising people to snoop around in old book stores. elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:57:36 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Copyright & out of print books What is the legal status of many of Buckys out of print books. Is there some law that states that books can be reproduced if they are out of print? Are the penalties significantly less for pirating out of print books then in-print ones? Bucky's sole purpose for patenting and copyrighting was to ensure that he got proper credit for his ideas. I'm sure he's rolling over in his grave at the thought of people wanting access to his thoughts but being denied because they were not deemed profitable enough to publish. I would be willing to photocopy Synergetics II for ONE PERSON who has been a frequent contributor to this group (thus probably not an info-cop). Strings attatched: 1) the person who receives it (RECEIVER) must do the same for somebody else in this group (OTHERS). 2) The RECEIVER must pass along their copy as soon as they get a legitimate one. 3) The RECEIVER and OTHERS must become a members of BFI. 4) The RECEIVER and OTHERS must purchase copies of Synergetics II as soon as it is published again (probably will be published as a two volume set with each volume containing passages from each I and II, so you've go to get it). Please correspond via email. elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:08:50 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Copyright & out of print books In-Reply-To: ; from "Elias Tabello" at Mar 9, 96 2:57 pm The copyrights to all of Bucky's works--in or out of print--including books, articles, drawings, audio and video tapes, etc, are held by the Estate of R. Buckminster Fuller with his daughter and grandson as Trustees. If this is not correct someone please correct me. His copyrights expire 50 years after his death. Forgot to mention pictures, models, movies and patents that haven't expired yet. Glance through any good book on Intellectual Property for the current law. Also forgot his Trademarks. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:15:59 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Copyright & out of print books In-Reply-To: ; from "Elias Tabello" at Mar 9, 96 2:57 pm Also, look into the concept of "Fair Use" in USA copyright law. I'm not familiar with the copyright laws of other countries. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:01:42 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: Re: modeling technique Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com i've been playing around with this V-shaped clip modeling technique idea, and i think i've got it figured out using safety pins. using a pair of pliers, bend the loop of the safety-pin so that it is perpendicular to the V. this will open up the loop a bit, allowing a rubber-band to be inserted. the loop should then be pinched closed as much as possible (this may take a bit of fiddling) while keeping it perpendicular to the V. the sharp tip and the safety 'cap' can then be clipped off with a wirecutter. the V should be 60 degrees, and there should be three of these clips per rubber-band. the whole assembly can then be used to hold together three 2-inch pieces of drinking straw in a triangle, with the clips at the corners (one leg poking into each adjacent straw) and the rubber-band running along the inside of the triangle keeping the clips in place. the perpendicular loops keep the rubber-band straight and allow the straws to come together without interference from the rubber band. i've only done this with a single triangle thusfar. my next step is to buy a bunch of the right size of rubber-bands and safety-pins. then i'll have to do a lot of plier-work. after that i should be able to assemble and disassemble anything i could have done with the elastic-string-neckacing technique, but in a fraction of the time - 'lego-like' ease of use. -k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:24:09 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: Copyright & out of print books My offer may have been a bit rash. I think photocopies might be available thru BFI but I'm not sure. If they are I would not want to infringe on their domain. elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:54:35 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: More Non-Syntropy >>> How are biologicals NOT syntropic? >> >>biologicals consume low entropy material (food) and excrete higher >>entropy material (----), thereby maintaining their low entropy. >>stopping this process (eating) quickly raises one's entropy (death). >>the earth itself consumes low entropy energy (X-ray,UV,visible) and >>excretes higher entropy energy (infrared, etc). elias@magi.com added: >This is action-reaction thinking that ignores the resultant, ie the >synergy of the entire process. It is an accurate long-term view, in that the entropy increase is permanent, while life (of any sort) is short. >The resultant is that biologicals GROW, LEARN, REPRODUCE, THRIVE & EVOLVE, >(perhaps leaving behind volumes of books or rooms full of artifacts before >disintegrating). I think that these things are inherently anti-entropic. Sorry, it may sound cruel, but all the processes listed above that you think of any being anti-entropic are anything but. >When a weed dies, this can be seen as entropic if you separate the dead >weed from its surroundings (or place it in a lab to do an entropy experiment). >But don't we have to take into account the tens of thousands of seeds that >this one plant has left behind? Sure we do - each seed will ALSO increase the total entropy since, as you might recall from above: "biologicals consume low entropy material (food) and excrete higher entropy material (----), thereby maintaining their low entropy." >Many of these seeds will have NOVEL genetic material, especially >when prodded by curious gardeners and large multinational interests. Which may help them to be more successful plants, which may cause an EVEN GREATER number of plants, which (and by now I am sure you are sick and tried of the dogmatic aspects of the facts of life) will cause a further increase in entropy.... >How about the other things that thrive on the dead plant? They, by living, add to the entropy, and each, in its own special way, brings us that much closer to oblivion. >Is not the web of life on Earth anti-entropic?--even if it does get >swallowed up in a huge fireball one day. The "Web of Life"? Someone's kids have been watching "The Lion King" too many times. The "Web Of Life" has no choice but to follow the Second Law of Thermodynamics. I guess I need to start a new group: "The Society For Not Only The Obedience, But The Enjoyment Of The Laws Of Physics" Anyone want to sign up? I can do membership cards, and get a few Nobel winners to be the officers... The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:54:41 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Copyright & out of print books elias@magi.com asked: >What is the legal status of many of Buckys out of print books. "Out of print" does not mean "copyright free". From a practical point of view, "Out of print" simply means that one must request a book search at a used book store, and perhaps pay a bit more. Syn I and Syn II are NOT that hard to find. There is a database called "InterLock" which is used by the better USA used book stores to make other bookstores aware of their more valuable items in stock, and can be used to post "Wanted" messages. Call around. If the yellow-pages ad says "Antiquarian Books", give them a try. Tell them that you don't care about first edition, and you don't care about mint condition. Tell them that you want to READ the silly thing. That will shock them... >Is there some law that states that books can be reproduced if they >are out of print? Yes, but royalties are still due to the heirs of the author up until the end of the last copyright renewal. In most publishing agreements, if and when the publisher declares the book "out of print", the author or copyright owner then has the right to "shop" the book to other publishers, or even self-publish the book. In other words, all rights to the work go BACK to the author and/or his heirs, and the Publisher no longer has rights to squat. The author/heirs get all the marbles. Copyrights can be a pain, but here are the basic facts: Current (those works created after 01/01/78) copyrights expire 50 years after the author's death. In the case of multiple authors, the copyright expries 50 years after the LAST SURVIVING author dies. Works created before 01/01/78 were copyrighted for 28 years, and a second 28-year period could be had for a simple registration renewal. Works that were under copyright protection on 01/01/78, got a "one-shot" extension of 47 years, for a total of 75 years IF AND ONLY IF the renewal was filed BEFORE the 28-year period expired. (Note - I am not a lawyer. I hire lawyers, work them to death, and sometimes find them useful - in rather the same way that one might find an attack-trained doberman "useful"...) >Are the penalties significantly less for pirating out of print books >then in-print ones? Not a bit. >Bucky's sole purpose for patenting and copyrighting was to ensure that >he got proper credit for his ideas. This is a nice little fairy tale, but he had to make a living too, ya know. This work was his day-gig. He even had a "payroll" of sorts, which he had to somehow meet as best he could with whatever speaking fees, royalties, and other payments he could scrape in. I am sure that he did not refuse a single royalty payment. >I'm sure he's rolling over in his grave at the thought of people wanting >access to his thoughts but being denied because they were not deemed >profitable enough to publish. I have not heard anyone who could confirm that any publisher has taken that position. Macmillan, who did the original hardcover verisons of Syn I and Syn II, is now owned by Viacom. I have a few friends at Viacom. If anyone can confirm a clear "no" from a specific party, I will (ahem) see what I can do to correct the (ummmm) "misconception" about the commerical value of Bucky's and Ed Applewhite's work. >I would be willing to photocopy Synergetics II for ONE PERSON who has been >a frequent contributor to this group (thus probably not an info-cop). While I cannot endorse any such action, I think that this statement alone is sufficient proof of the commerical value of the works at issue. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:15:56 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: More Non-Syntropy In-Reply-To: <199603100254.VAA12353@crucible.inmind.com>; from "James Fischer" at Mar 9, 96 9:54 pm James, In my humble opinion, you are wrong. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:16:40 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: More Non-Syntropy James: > It is an accurate long-term view, in that the entropy increase is > permanent, while life (of any sort) is short. Can any human, group of humans, or collective human endeavor actually claim to posess an accurate long-term view of such things as entropy and life? Our thoughts are rooted in theories that are not 500 years old! >>GROW, LEARN, REPRODUCE, THRIVE & EVOLVE: >>I think that these things are inherently anti-entropic. > Sorry, it may sound cruel, but all the processes listed above > that you think of any being anti-entropic are anything but. Explain. >>When a weed dies, this can be seen as entropic if you separate the dead >>weed from its surroundings (or place it in a lab to do an entropy experiment). >>But don't we have to take into account the tens of thousands of seeds that >>this one plant has left behind? > > Sure we do - each seed will ALSO increase the total entropy > since, as you might recall from above [omitted above. e]: > > "biologicals consume low entropy material > (food) and excrete higher entropy material > (----), thereby maintaining their low entropy." Explain without circular reasoning please. > (and by now I am sure you are sick and tried of the > dogmatic aspects of the facts of life) I sure as hell am. Thats what started this whole thread-tangent in the first place. elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:06:55 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: syn-l: re: modeling technique Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199603100201.SAA09386@wolfe.net> ------------------------------------------------------------- DE DIGITALE STAD Op Sat, 9 Mar 1996, Karl Erickson schreef: > i've been playing around with this V-shaped clip modeling technique idea, > and i think i've got it figured out using safety pins. > > using a pair of pliers, bend the loop of the safety-pin so that it is > perpendicular to the V. this will open up the loop a bit, allowing a > rubber-band to be inserted. the loop should then be pinched closed as much > as possible (this may take a bit of fiddling) while keeping it perpendicular > to the V. the sharp tip and the safety 'cap' can then be clipped off with a > wirecutter. the V should be 60 degrees, and there should be three of these i thought of turning a paper clip to make a loop; but that would be another way. now the idea can be produced by safty - pin company. carful attempt to solve problem can lead to unpredicted solution. i have not read the use of useful thingness onnce mentioned by James. it talkes about these litlle thingness. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:18:25 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: some information sound travel 4.5 times fasert in water than in air, 15 fater in ALuminum and iron. most commercial radio station in the U.S broadcast on f 500-1600 kilo- sycle; 300,000,000 meter a second electromegnetic wave / 1,500,000 sycle = 200 meter. velocity of sound at 32 F ( frezing p.water)= one illion and 88 feet/s image as(is) a visible public personality as distinvquished from an inward private charcter. the airplane served to end the isolation of remote places in Brazil. experience then. as late as 1928 the travel devlpement of america express set 5 or 6 tour out west each year, and for each tour 18 poeple considered a crowed. boating long ago boats used the square sail, this illustrate humanity lack of understandig tension. man used compresion as the primary way to build structure, he replicate his understanding in the see. gradualy he manouvered at 45 degree(on either side) to the wind zigzaging to get to a particular location, this introduced the tension as principle of sailing. molded fiber glass and aluminum have gained greatly in popularity as boat building materials, surpassing wood in the number of hulls produced. there as also limited use of rubber and rubber like synthetics, plastic foam, canvas, concrete( ferrocement), and steel in boat construction. the outboard motor has made propulsion of small mass-produced boats easy and has changed boating profoundly , making it a highly popular means of receartion. trimtap old typ maybe: the sailboat prevented from blowing side ways by underwater fin( if fixed called keel, if movable called a center- board ) so that the force on the sail can be harnessed to drive the boat toward an angle , into or crose the wind as well as straight befor it. the heeling (tipping) and lifting forces of the wind on the curved shape of the sail are made to push the boat forward. coast gard boats work in seas too rough for other vessels. build of rugged hulls, designed to keep water from getting inside and to keep going in very rough water. 16 century, when the E.I Co formed, the yearly cargo made few lliions a year(to Europe and back). few illions are very meger in compersion to th 500 million tons of 1940s'. Fuller turned writing outside in and outside out in i seem to be a verb. i wonder if his brain worked this way. Tagdi ------------------------------------------------------------- m DE DIGITALE STAD ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:43:57 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: Morphogenic Fields & Syntropy >>> How are biologicals NOT syntropic? Gerald >>biologicals consume low entropy material (food) and excrete higher >>entropy material (----), thereby maintaining their low entropy. >>stopping this process (eating) quickly raises one's entropy (death). >>the earth itself consumes low entropy energy (X-ray,UV,visible) and >>excretes higher entropy energy (infrared, etc). >> ellias: >This is action-reaction thinking that ignores the resultant, ie the >synergy of the entire process. >The resultant is that biologicals GROW, LEARN, REPRODUCE, THRIVE & EVOLVE, >(perhaps leaving behind volumes of books or rooms full of artifacts before >disintegrating). tagdi you brought the idea of synergy as 90 degree precession- setting aside or exponential discovries. how could there be symetry if entropy is the king. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:55:09 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: PAPERBOARD DOMES In Message Sat, 09 Mar 1996 08:41:52 -0800 (PST), Joe Moore writes: >Dan McEvers writes: >> >> In article <9603030820.aa16652@bbs.cruzio.com> you wrote: >> : According to Bucky, the least expensive way of providing shelter is to build >> : domes out of cardboard using printing presses. Are there any paperboard domes >> : commercially available? >> >> Try to find the book, "Paper Houses" >> .- >I've got a reference to that book but I've never read it. I'm going to post >my updated poopsheet about paperboard homes to the Geodesic list. If you can >add to my paperboard bibliography, please do so. I think paperboard domes >have great untapped potential! just a useless idea, imagine a g-dome that can be hydrolicaly raised and clicked into position- using air presure some how. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:24:13 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: mysticism James McCaig writes: >Dear friends, > >Thought it would be interesting to put this thread to bed with a definition >of mysticism from H.I. Khan, who said it in a paragraph. > >"The word intelligence as it is known by us, and spoken in everyday >language, does not give a full idea; especially the word intelligence as >used by modern science will only convey to us something which is the outcome >of matter or energy. But according to the mystic, intelligence is the primal >element, or the cause as well as the effect. While science acknowledges it >as the effect, the mystic sees in it the cause. One may ask, 'How can >intelligence create this dense earth which is matter? There must be energy >behind it.' But this question comes because we separate intelligence from >energy or matter. In point of fact it is spirit which is matter, and matter >which is spirit; the denseness of spirit is matter, and the fineness of >matter is spirit. Intelligence becomes intelligible by turning into >denseness; that denseness being manifest to its own view, creates two >objects: the self, and , what is known by the self. And then comes of >necessity a third object, the medium by which the self knows what it knows: >the sight or the mind. The Sufi poets have pictured these three in their >verse as the garden, the spring, and the nightingale. And it is these three >aspects of life which are at the root of the idea of Trinity. The moment >these three are realized as one, life's purpose is fulfilled." ideas, ideas, in the hope of salvation. one in million can get elightend, so i say unless you are that one in a million forget it. ok, it might help relax the tired brain but elightment doubtful! 1970's spirtual movment did not move an inch, Europe and U.s is 1000 times more corrupt than they were in the 70's. as an exercise to relax to find a meaning ok, but not solution to the world problems. spirtuality doesn's give you a house good standard of living and acess without control, observe what one person go through to get their m&m (neutral advertisment avoides penetrating the language and therefor remains disinct) that is just added comment, nothing to do with our subejct. so when i speak about mysticism, i am speaking about world problems and actual solution, that can't be doen by mantra otherwise Maharishi would have solved the world problem by now. if mysticism was workable, Fuller would have not started. the difference between fuller and Mysticism as(is) that he changed the concept of the universe, senario does not fit into mysticism. he brought a fresh and exhostive and most difficult alternative there ever be. but it is worth it because the other way is quite ignorant, knocking on doors which might hide snackes. tagdi >These ideas, penned around 1915, but timeless throughout literature, should >provide no challenge to modern scientists. Lurking within, one can see the >human wisdom that later was expressed scientifically by Einstein, quantum >physics and whatever science will develop that will finally bring >materialism and idealism into balance. We need to remember that science, >with its reliance upon proven "facts" is usually quite far from any basic >truth. It wasn't that long ago, by any objective view of time (another >subject worthy of discussion) that science thought the earth was flat. > >Coming full circle to our friend Tagdi's original post, perhaps the "mist" >in mysticism is the veil through which scientists see that which cannot be >fully seen or explained in words. spirtualizm as a whole have a way of neutralizing everything, just like the goverment. because it is endless justification, it can fill the desciple with enlesss of the same. only few can survive, who probably can survive even without spirtualism. so i say learn the about Universe in another way (informative), taking a risk because the whole thingness is based on fear. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:49:18 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Even MORE Non-Syntropy I said: >> It is an accurate long-term view, in that the entropy increase is >> permanent, while life (of any sort) is short. ...and Elias Tabello continued as follows: >Can any human, group of humans, or collective human endeavor >actually claim to posess an accurate long-term view of such >things as entropy Properly educated ones can. It is possible to know some things beyond any doubt. >and life? Only to the extent that it is impacted by proven processes like entropy. >>>GROW, LEARN, REPRODUCE, THRIVE & EVOLVE: >>>I think that these things are inherently anti-entropic. >> Sorry, it may sound cruel, but all the processes listed above >> that you think of any being anti-entropic are anything but. >Explain. OK, I'll try again: The 2nd Law Of Thermodynamics applies to closed systems. Many students make same error you did, in that they feel that they have found an "exception" to the law. A living thing is not a closed system. The living thing is only one part of the closed system. The living thing certainly DOES reach a higher level of organization, but only at the expense of the system as a whole. Since the higher state of organization of the living thing is short-lived, the net result when all is said and done is a net increase in entropy. >Explain without circular reasoning please. Oh, I see... I provide all the facts and proofs, while you provide nothing but insults. This tends to indicate that I am wasting my time. You seem to need to read up on logic as well as thermodyamics. I really don't care - you can continue to wallow in whatever forms of ignorance you find enjoyable. When some shyster gets you to invest in a perpetual-motion machine, you will learn first-hand about the laws of thermodynamics. The hard way. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:38:28 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: mysticism tagdi >> are basically wasting our time with useless paper and administration. >> part of the reason is sedation, fear, helplesness, authority, >> ignorance and >> stupidity. we are so mouse like conditioned that it is hardly >> worth it being spirtual. If i had a smart card with 1million >> dollar then i think i would feel great, and if i had to die >> later it's no problem, at least i would not die poor opressed >> and never doen what i would like to have doen. >> James M. >Ah, materialism is great. Be sure, though, that your smart card is >connected to a bank or society that will not be bankrupt, overthrown or >subject to hyperinflation. At our present rate $1 Milllion might buy you a >nice little Toyota in 20 or so years. There was a time in this century that >a million marks bought next to nothing. Better spiritual and awake than >depending on some government to stand behind its promise to pay. > tagdi sorry to say but a sufi center would like to have my money to go on. so can you have a society without money- money being energy and that is not a joke. F was working for high standard, and that is what i meant about the million. actualy in 20 years you can buy 40 or more T if the devoluation is 3 times, giving that the future as the same. i am totaly not materialistic, i hate material, consumerism and stupidity. but i cant understand how much you have to do and obey to live a descent life. the catholic church would not bring it about. if i had Kohan book and fuller sitting next to each other i would read F. becuse the first is familiar for the the last 2 600. with all due respect, i am just voicing my opinion nothing personal. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:40:17 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: morph-fields >i have been to Sheldrick lecture, it was nice lecture but of no much >use to make the world work. >tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 07:56:41 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: entropy and syntropy the word 'entropy' seems to have a lot of negative connotation built up around it. i think of it, however, as the spontaneous motion of universe always-and-only into configurations with integrity. it should be obvious to any observer, however, that the vast majority of accessible configurations are chaotic, at least from a human perspective. and therefore 'entropy as chaos' (or randomness, or less-usable-energy) covers far-and-away more branches of the tree of universe-evolution, and is therefore on the rise. but evolution is also a spontaneous process. *everything* in nature is spontaneous. universe can't help but proceed in a most-economical fashion. so evolution quite simply is *not* a process *opposing* entropy - it is rather the *same* spontaneous integrity-maintaining process as entropy. perhaps the term 'entropy', with its negative connotations, only usefully labels those portions of this process that are, from our perspective, chaotic. this is a useful, but artificial, distinction. evolution is not *competing* against entropy, and is not creating order *in the face of* entropy (although resulting in an overall increase of entropy), rather, *all* of universe evolves along all available paths-of-integrity, and only a very few of these paths have the kind of complex structuring that we humans appreciate. it is absurd to want it any other way. if complex structurings like life weren't in the minority, it would be a very bizarre universe. imagine a universe switched around: all of the vastness of empty space, and the chaos of energy in stars, in planet-cores, even the chaos exibited on planet-surfaces like weather, ocean, etc. replaced with complex life of some sort, and all life replaced with space or chaotic energy. that's a crowded, absurdly unimaginable universe to me. but why are we so hung up on scale? a popular philosophical bugaboo that plagues some minds is the idea that a single human is 'infinitesimal' compared to the vastness of universe. would such an individual prefer to have a planet-sized body? would that make it better? what about energy-use instead of size? would this person prefer to use the amount of energy that a planet uses in the maintenance of personal integrity? would they feel more significant compared to universe-at-large, or would this make them even more depressed, knowing that 'entropy will get them sooner'? perhaps it would be better to be a thinking-system that uses a very minimal amount of energy - that way the system would last longer. ??? i make these points simply because i feel that relating the metaphysical mind to the physical universe is what creates a fallacy as concerns the supposed 'pessimism of entropy'. furthermore, i feel that this confusion is what also pits 'syntropy' against 'entropy', making some feel that syntropy is an actual anti-entropic force, and making others feel that syntropy quite simply doesn't exist. syntropy is *metaphysical*. as fuller defines it, 'syntropy is the behavior of whole systems unpredicted by the behavior of their parts taken seperately'. if you find this definition useful, ask yourself who it is that is attempting the prediction - who it is that is trying to consider the parts seperately. it is a *human mind* that is doing these things. in other words, 'syntropy' is *human subjective*, i.e. it is that portion of universe that we don't yet comprehend, but that we know is there only because of the non-stop stream of discovery that has historically been achieved by humanity. syntropy is a metaphysical abstraction that we have overwhelming evidence for, but which is *by definition* intangible. of course, fuller draws an analogy between syntropy and all kinds of things like human know-how, gravity, etc. this is perhaps what misleads some into thinking of syntropy as a physical force competing with entropy. fuller's analogies are metaphorical, however. they are useful in some contexts, but perhaps misleading in other contexts. if we take fuller's comments as fact, we will draw the conclusion that syntropy is exactly twice as powerful as entropy, as a physical force. now, does anyone have an effective demonstration of this concept? i feel that a context can be found in which this statement is meaningful, but that such a context would *not* 'debunk' thermodynamics. rather, the context would likely be metaphorical/metaphysical. gravity-as-syntropy for example: in physics, lifting an object against the pull of gravity *creates* usable potential energy. therefore, objects falling into a gravity well 'destroy' usable energy, and in this sense gravity is actually *entropic*. this is a trivial example, but i hope it helps point out how the entropy-syntropy debate may be based on fallacies of truth-attribution as opposed to the more operational effective-demonstration via significant context (even if the context be metaphysical). there is more than one way to read _synergetics_. when we find ways that are effectively demonstrative of significance, then we can debate the significances instead of 'true' and 'false', who's right and who's wrong. -k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:50:29 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James McCaig Subject: Re: mysticism >tagdi > sorry to say but a sufi center would like to have my money to go > on. so can you have a society without money- money being energy > and that is not a joke. Don't confuse Sufism with religion. Nobody is paid to function in the International Sufi Movement and no payment is requested from anyone. Our movement is global, with a formal presence in many countries, even where harboring such ideas is punishable by death. It is reasonable to contend that money is MYSTICAL (sorry to use the word again). By this is meant that is hard to understand and in 25 years of asking the question "what is money?" I can testify that only the really boring people have ever answered with the same answer. By the same token, the answers always tell something about the person on the other end of the line. Anyone can renounce money if they haven't yet had a sizable chunk, but this is not renunciation. Renunciation is when you have the million in the bank and find you can function very well without it. So, good Geodesic friends, what is money? What is its shape and geometry? Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 05:11:34 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak <73737.2601@COMPUSERVE.COM> Organization: Environmental Valving Subject: Re: Yurt / 2f icosahedron I tried James directions for the yurt type structure (1st instruction set) and I got this real neat triangulated cylinder. Does seem that an icosahedron is a special case; a 1 frequency geodesic dome. -- Make it so. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:37:46 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Thomas Mundell Subject: Fuller's Deputies to Teach Last Weekend I taught my annual class on Bucky using gum drops and toothpicks to Washington DC area high school science teachers. This year I added two things to the class. In the handouts I gave to the teachers were several of Joe's poopsheets on Fuller's work. The second thing was to have all the teachers raise their right hands and I deputized them to teach all the students about Bucky. Joe, to keep me legal maybe you should deputize all the members of the LIST to teach everyone they can about Bucky. We could all raise our rigth hand and put our left on our keyboard and read your words. Tom Mundell. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:05:53 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: What is Money? Maharaj James McCaig said: (by the way, what IS the proper form of address for a Sufi? "Maharaj"?, "Mr. McCraig"?, "Hey, Jim"?) >Anyone can renounce money if they haven't yet had a sizable chunk, but this >is not renunciation. Renunciation is when you have the million in the bank >and find you can function very well without it. > >So, good Geodesic friends, what is money? What is its shape and geometry? Rather than paraphrase, I suggest that everyone read "The Seven Laws Of Money", by Michael Phillips (1974, ISBN 0-394-70686-2 [pbk]). It is a plain-english book that points out that money is an artifical concept. It also contains some real advice that allows one to make specific changes in the way they live to (pretty much) forget about money 99% of the time. Those who own a copy of any version of the "Whole Earth Catalog", including: A) "The Whole Earth Catalog" B) "The Next Whole Earth Catalog" C) "The Last Whole Earth Catalog" D) "The Whole Earth Epilouge" E) "The Really, No Shit, We Are NOT Kidding This Time, LAST Whole Earth Catalog" Will find a short synopsis of the above-mentioned book, outlining the "Laws" themselves. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:15:09 GMT Reply-To: mnjheldt@interaccess.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Julie Heldt Organization: Mitchell and Julie Heldt Subject: Re: A zero-fossil-fuel studio? In article <4hoe41$om5@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, andrshousr@aol.com says... > >Your comments using 55 gallon barrels under the floor intrigue me. EPA may eventually nail you for latent chemicals from the barrels even if you think they are clean. Try buying 5 gal "Stinkers", bottles from your local water bottling company that the water company doesn't feel meet their cosmetic requirements for use with customers. They are small and could save you from unnecessarily digging up your house. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:35:32 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James McCaig Subject: Re: What is Money? At 06:05 PM 3/10/96 -0500, James Fischer wrote: Dear James, You can call me Jim, you can call me Maharaj, just call me, especially for dinner. Since you asked, we use Sufi names not to denote rank or stature, but to inspire ourselves and remind us that we can be more than ordinary. The moniker they have hung on me is, of course, quite impossible to live up to. I knew there was a MYSTIC lurking around that supercollider. Michael Phillip's book is wonderful and gave me the inspiration to ask the question all these years. Anyone who reads this book with an open mind will come away with a little different view of the world, especially the financial world, which is about as "real" as things get here in this quantum age. >>So, good Geodesic friends, what is money? What is its shape and geometry? As a non-mathematician, interested in dome construction and the doings on this list, I have the idea that Fuller's geometry will adapt to many situations where it is not normally applied. An example of this might be in a football or hockey formation. Any chance this might be right, and will it carry over into the financial world? > > > Rather than paraphrase, I suggest that everyone read "The Seven > Laws Of Money", by Michael Phillips (1974, ISBN 0-394-70686-2 [pbk]). > It is a plain-english book that points out that money is an artifical > concept. It also contains some real advice that allows one to make > specific changes in the way they live to (pretty much) forget about > money 99% of the time. > > Those who own a copy of any version of the "Whole Earth Catalog", > including: > The story of Stewart Brand's (he published the "Whole Earth Catalog") gift of $25,000 and what it engendered is reason enough for anyone to read this fascinating book. Since reading this book I haven't worried about money. It's the LACK of money that worries me! Warm regards, Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 20:56:48 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Fuller's Deputies to Teach In-Reply-To: ; from "Thomas Mundell" at Mar 10, 96 3:37 pm Thomas Mundell writes: > In the handouts I gave to the teachers were several of Joe's > poopsheets on Fuller's work. The second thing was to have I'm very pleased that you could use some of them. The poopsheets (there were 50) were originally intended to be a teacher's manual that went with a video tape. All the material used to create both is now in the public domain and available at several web sites. > Joe, to keep me legal maybe you should deputize all the members > of the LIST to teach everyone they can about Bucky. We could > all raise our rigth hand and put our left on our keyboard and > read your words. I hereby deputize everybody to teach Bucky's ideas any way they can. PS: Do you have some sort of outline that you could post that shows what topics you cover and in what order? Besides models and handouts, what other things do you use such as slides, videos, audios, pics, etc? Can they get on the internet and view Kirby's and other's sites? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:09:24 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Yurt / 2f icosahedron In-Reply-To: <4htoa6$7qk$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>; from "Tony Kalenak" at Mar 10, 96 5:11 am Tony Kalenak writes: > I tried James directions for the yurt type structure > and I got this real neat triangulated cylinder. > Does seem that an icosahedron is a special case; > a 1 frequency geodesic dome. I used to make tons of models out of straws and masking tape and scissors. Cheap; disposable. Take pics for scrapbook and then throw or give models away 'cause took up too much room after a while. Much more compact to review dated and titled slides in an album. Some I later digitized into my Amiga computer. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:44:08 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: larry mintz Organization: CiteNet Telecom - Commercial Internet Service Subject: Bucky article in .tiff Mag This article reviews Bucky's inventions. The magazines address is tiff P.O Box 97011-149 roncesvalles avenue Toronto,Ontario,Canada M6R 3B3 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:54:29 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: larry mintz Organization: CiteNet Telecom - Commercial Internet Service Subject: Re: The Shape of the Universe In article <52818.tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl>, tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL wrote: >> >>What you need to do is sit back in your easy chair, close your eyes >>and visualize Cartesian space with nice curved hyperbolic coordinates >>going thru it...now switch gears and imagine the hyperbolic >>coordinates as "flat" (which is a relative term) and now suddenly, >>the Cartesian space is curved!! Now, if you are a mathematical genius, >>imagine what sphericial coordinates look like in hyperbolic space! >>(If you're not, you can do a bit of graphing.) >> >>Now, unfortunately, the key to the discussion in this thread, i.e. >>"shape", is, so far as I know, not a mathematical or a Physics term. > and cosmology try to unite the two in one epistemological wep. > it may have to do with understanding relativity in creative way, if we > want to realy see Universe as it actually operates. > i do not see any way out from the Newtonian paradigm. Actually Rudy Rucker in his book Geometry,Relativity and the Fourth Dimension describes the shape of the universe by using a G-tensor nxn determinant. I'll get the actual determinant later and post it. If I had made any mistake in the name of the determinant it is becuase I haven't read the book in a long time. Kabir ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:17:44 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: larry mintz Organization: CiteNet Telecom - Commercial Internet Service Subject: Shape of the universe In a previous post I mentioned a G-tensor determinant. I was wrong. It is called G-Function metric tensor. It looks like : _ _ |g11(x,y,z) g12(x,y,z) g13(x,y,z)| G(x,y,z)=|g21(x,y,z) g22(x,y,z) g23(x,y,z)| |g31(x,y,z) g32(x,y,z) g33(x,y,z)| - - For more info see second to last chapter of Geometry,Relativity and the Fourth Dimemsion by Rudy Rucker. It's quite interesting. Kabir ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 05:37:43 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Spheres of Inclusion 1056.10-15 Here are some definitons. Everything Fuller talks about is related to everything else. The following are spheres of inclusion which describe his view of how things interrelate. INTEGRITY includes SYNERGY SYNERGY includes NATURE NATURE includes UNKNOWN UNKNOWN includes UNIVERSE UNIVERSE includes METAPHYSICAL METAPHYSICAL includes PHYSICAL PHYSICAL includes SYNTROPY SYNTROPY includes ENTROPY ENTROPY includes ASTROPHYSICS ASTROPHYSICS includes SOLAR SYSTEM SOLAR SYSTEM includes EARTH EARTH includes BIOLOGICALS BIOLOGICALS includes HUMANITY HUMANITY includes PHILOSOPHY PHILOSOPHY includes NATIONS NATIONS includes OTHERS OTHERS includes WE WE includes YOU YOU includes THEY THEY includes ME INTEGRITY: symbol is a geodesic The cosmic intellectual integrity manifest by Universe. The orderly interaccommodation of all of the generalized principles constitutes a design. Design as a concept of ordered relationships is appehendable and comprhensible exclusively by intellect. As the human mind progressively draws aside the curtain of unkownnesss the great design laws of eternally regenerative Universe are disclosed to human intellect. SYNERGY: symbol is yin-yang The behavior of whole systems unpredicted by behaviors or characteristics of any of the system's parts when assesed seperately from the other parts of the system. NATURE The totality of both all that is KNOWN,(=UNIVERSE), and all that is UNKNOWN. Nature is the integral of all the integrities always manifest in the progressively discovered generalized eternal principles UNKNOWN The a priori mystery experientially and operationally manifest as a cosmic source by the scientific record of all the KNOWN. The KNOWN has always been unpredictedly and successivly harvested exclusivley from the A PRIORI UNKNOWN. The nonsimultaneous succession of discoveries thereby discloses that no discovery has as yet exhausted the a priori mysterious exclusive source of all the scientific knowledge. All discoveries are always experimentally reverifiable to be forever a priori existent and waiting to be reverified as being eternally coexistent with all the other principles. UNIVERSE (all the known) All the thus-far observationally known to exist phenomena. Universe is the aggregate of all of humanity's alltime, consciously apprehended and communicated experiences, including both the explicable and the as-yet unexplained. Communication in this definition can be either self-to-self, or by selves-to-others. METAPHYSICAL All that is experiencable but weigthless and energyless. 326.40 METAPHYSICAL is unweighable, imponderable, and cannot move an electromagnetically or mass-attracted levered needle. "By METAPHYSICAL I mean no more nor less than is implicit in my definition of universe. Since magic has never been experimentally demonstrated, my use of the word METAPHYSICS does not contain overtones of magic or mysticism." June 20, 1966 "Human mind is the most powerful selector and order formulator thus far evidenced in universe. Mind reduces billions of special case experiences to a few hundred generalised principles observed to be always operative in universe. The diffuse multiplication and expansion of physical universe is regeneratively contered by the contractive metaphysical capabilities of human intellect." Jan 1968 ----- PHYSICAL All the physical is energy Expressed by E=Mc^2 or PHYSICAL=SYNTROPY*ENTROPY^2 326.40 PHYSICAL is always apprehensible by an instrument's needle leverage actuated by weight, pressure, heat, or electromagnetics "The PHYSICAL is inherently entropic; it gives off energy in ever more disorderly ways" --------- SYNTROPY Energy associative as matter precession, gravity, magnetics, interference knotting. ------- ENTROPY Energy as radiation, energy dissociative. ------- Quotes about Syntropy and Entropy "Where syntropy is gaining over entropy life prevails where entropy is gaining over syntropy death prevails." FEEDBACK Feb 1971 "Syntropy is the law of elsewhere-always-oderly regrouping of the entropic offcastings of all dying systems. Aging and death engenders elsewhere birth and growth" Complementarity of Growth&Aging "It was only a few years ago That it seemed logical To cease speaking of the phenomena involved As antientropy, Entropy being disintegratively negative; Antientropy was, ineffect, a double negative used to express a positive And to identify its kinship To synergy, I started speaking of it as syntropy As the positive complementarity of the negaive entropy" Brain & Mind may 1972 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 06:49:37 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: Even MORE Non-Syntropy James: > The 2nd Law Of Thermodynamics applies to closed systems. > Many students make same error you did, in that they feel > that they have found an "exception" to the law. > > A living thing is not a closed system. The living thing > is only one part of the closed system. The living thing > certainly DOES reach a higher level of organization, but > only at the expense of the system as a whole. Since the > higher state of organization of the living thing is > short-lived, the net result when all is said and done is > a net increase in entropy. So to bring this back into perspective: this is the justification for the heat death of the universe. The reason I probably questioned this law in the first place is because I read a lot of RBF. I guess the phrase self-regenerative universe is stuck in my head. Anyway, Fuller claims that Boltzmann theorized a contradiction to the assumption of the self-annihilating universe, but that he could not prove it. He then claims that Einstein implicitly endorsed Boltzman. And finially claims that it is possible to "demonstrate conceptually and to prove the validity not only of Boltzmann's concepts but of all quantum phenomena." with Synergetic geometry. Any of you geometry guys know anything about this? elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:23:30 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: entropy and syntropy I'm sorry if I keep dragging this thing out, but, is it is not obvious, I was reading Synergetics before I even HEARD about Thermodynamics. Bucky tells me that this is a good thing, though it makes for confusing arguments. My post, Spheres of Inclusion, will hopefully provide a reference point for words such as synergy, universe, syntropy and entropy. By the way, Bucky's universe includes all of our scientific data ("voluntary experiences", "experiments") as well as the thought you had while crossing the street ("involuntary experiences", "happenings"). ----- Karl wrote: >it should be obvious to any observer, however, that the vast majority of >>accessible configurations are chaotic, at least from a human perspective. > >and therefore 'entropy as chaos' (or randomness, or less-usable-energy) >covers >far-and-away more branches of the tree of universe-evolution, and >is therefore >on the rise. Is order not implicit in chaos? What about those syntropic black holes? Is there data that proves that chaos is on the rise, unchecked by order?James? What about dark matter which is thought to make up at least 90% of the E=Mc^2 universe? >evolution is not *competing* against entropy, and is not creating order >*in the face of* entropy (although resulting in an overall increase of >>entropy), rather, *all* of universe evolves along all available >>paths-of-integrity, and only a very few of these paths have the kind >of complex structuring that we humans appreciate. I don't understand how evolution results in an increase of entropy. Must we invoke Thermodynamics? If so, who has written about such a linkage? Or is it just assumed in the dogma? >it is absurd to want it any other way. if complex structurings like life >weren't in the minority, it would be a very bizarre universe. Again, true for the universe as defined by conventional science. In the universe as defined in Synergetics, I'd argue that you could not determine wether or not complex structures were in the minority. What are more complex: thoughts or stars. Bucky might argue that they can both be described with the same geometry. Which are more numerous? Does it even matter? Why bother choosing? I vote for a bizzare universe! The mind can be a very bizarre place, though I don't believe that the mind is "'infinitesimal' compared to the vastness of universe" as you have put it, it is a PART of Universe that is very orderly (ie structured), in general. >i make these points simply because i feel that relating the metaphysical >mind to the physical universe is what creates a fallacy as concerns the >supposed 'pessimism of entropy'. furthermore, i feel that this confusion is >what also pits 'syntropy' against 'entropy', making some feel that syntropy >is an actual anti-entropic force, and making others feel that syntropy quite >simply doesn't exist. Isn't all of our scientific data about the physical universe irreconcilably tied to the mind since the action of isolating and testing anything actually changes what is being tested? This is something that Fuller realizes in his definintion of the universe and why I think It makes a lot of sense. The observer is always included. Perhaps syntropy is not anti-entropic. They are complementary. 226.11 "Every fundamental behavior patterning in Universe always and only coexists with a complementary but non-mirror-imaged patterning." This is a quote from Synergetics. I'm sure that this idea is shared by 'real' science. I wish Fuller included hyperlinks (footnotes) to scientific literature. Maybe the Hypertext version will have a -Show Footnotes- button. >syntropy is *metaphysical*. as fuller defines it, 'syntropy is the behavior >of whole systems unpredicted by the behavior of their parts taken >seperately'. This is the definition of SYNERGY not syntropy. >syntropy [do you mean synergy?]is a metaphysical abstraction that we have >overwhelming evidence for, but which is *by definition* intangible. Fuller defines syntropy as Energy associative as matter precession, gravity, magnetics, interference knoting, which is very physical. In fact, he equates it with M in Einsteins equation E=Mc^2. Now, can we prove that this definition is entirely valid with respect to Einstein? Can we disprove it? >there is more than one way to read _synergetics_. when we find ways that >are effectively demonstrative of significance, then we can debate the >significances instead of 'true' and 'false', who's right and who's wrong. Good point. elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 05:29:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: Re: entropy and syntropy me: >>it is absurd to want it any other way. if complex structurings like life >>weren't in the minority, it would be a very bizarre universe. Elias Tabello: >Again, true for the universe as defined by conventional science. >In the universe as defined in Synergetics, I'd argue that you could not >determine wether or not complex structures were in the minority. >What are more complex: thoughts or stars. Bucky might argue that they >can both be described with the same geometry. >Which are more numerous? Does it even matter? Why bother choosing? > >I vote for a bizzare universe! one point of my argument is that entropy is *subjective*. in other words, stars are 'chaotic' because the intricate order they contain is simply *too complex* for us humans to readily comprehend. do you see how i am attempting to accomodate both sides of this argument? there *is no randomness* in universe! 'randomness' is a term that labels complexity beyond our comprehension, but there is *always* order at some level. to assume otherwise would be to accept some form of dualism in my opinion - to accept an 'essential indeterminism' which begs questions, and is as unrealistic and nonoperational as the irrationality which bucky's logic attempts to dispel. i believe in 'entropy', but i believe it to be a subjective measure. i also believe in 'syntropy', which is also a subjective measure. 'objectively', they are part of the same universe process of always transforming through integrity configurations. >The mind can be a very bizarre place, though I don't believe that the mind >is "'infinitesimal' compared to the vastness of universe" as you have put >it... wrong. i have not put it that way. i imagined another perspective that feels anxious as a result of a fallacious belief that they are infinitesimal compared to universe. i, however, feel rather *synonymous* with universe - in the sense that i have access to *nothing* but that which comes through my senses. everything else is metaphysical extrapolation, which is ultimately bound to the sensed, and needn't have absurd infinite adjectives attached to it. >Isn't all of our scientific data about the physical universe irreconcilably >tied to the mind since the action of isolating and testing anything actually >changes what is being tested? see above. >This is something that Fuller realizes in his definintion of the universe >and why I think It makes a lot of sense. The observer is always included. agreed. >Perhaps syntropy is not anti-entropic. >They are complementary. this is my point. >>syntropy is *metaphysical*. as fuller defines it, 'syntropy is the behavior >>of whole systems unpredicted by the behavior of their parts taken >>seperately'. >This is the definition of SYNERGY not syntropy. thanks for the correction. you must admit a kinship between the words, however. words of buckyspeak are flexible and metaphorically interassociable. >Fuller defines syntropy as Energy associative as matter precession, gravity, >magnetics, interference knoting, which is very physical. alright. but my point about how gravity can be seen as entropy still stands. >>there is more than one way to read _synergetics_. when we find ways that >>are effectively demonstrative of significance, then we can debate the >>significances instead of 'true' and 'false', who's right and who's wrong. >Good point. thanks. my point about gravity in particular seems to demonstrate how these supposed incompatibles overlap in certain contexts. i hope you do not think i am in disagreement with you. i am an agnostic, and therefore a skeptic, which is a necessary operational perspective in my mind, but with connotations that bother some people. these are only words! the reverse is true as well: i believe in *everything*! but i believe that some things are more useful than others. in other words, the truth of *any* statement depends merely on finding a context within which the statement is significant. the context found, however, may not be very useful. this is why i emphasize effective demonstration of significance - it is 'operational proof' imho. it also accomodates all kinds of fulleresque wild speculation without being mislead into believing fallacious things. 'don't try to make me consistent; i'm always learning'... a speculation may be significant, but its reverse may turn out to be even more significant. so let's keep speculating, but without getting caught up in the word-worlds that we create. -k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:47:37 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "[Vul je naam hier in!]" Subject: the periodic table we can place the elements in 3 f icosa, and can have both round and flat periodic table. 92 is just the exact number to fit into the 3f Icosa. is this woth thinking about. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:31:38 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: What is Money? Maharaj James McCaig said: >I knew there was a MYSTIC lurking around that supercollider. Where? I will shoot on sight! (just kidding) Seriously, I do keep BOTH a dart board and a crystal ball in my office/den/lounge/boardroom for making revenue forecasts. >Since reading this book I haven't worried about money. It's the LACK of >money that worries me! Then read the thing again. The part about "worlds without money". The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:29:56 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kiyoshi Kuromiya Subject: Re: the periodic table Tagdi-- Fuller describes the complete periodic table as having 184 elements. Thus far, we have only had a momentary glimpse of the post-Uranium half of the periodic table. The post-Uranium elements are discovered in numerical order because each requires greater amount of energy "to peel back the inside-out part of the Universe and get an ever briefer glimpse of it" (paraphrase). --Kiyoshi >we can place the elements in 3 f icosa, and can have both round >and flat periodic table. 92 is just the exact number to fit into >the 3f Icosa. is this woth thinking about. >Tagdi > _____________________________________________________________ Kiyoshi Kuromiya Critical Path AIDS Project Address: 2062 Lombard St, Phila., PA 19146 Email: kiyoshi@critpath.org Hotline: (215) 545-2212 (24-hr) Fax: (215) 735-2762 or (215) 545-2212 Internet or BBS: (215) 463-7160 Web Home Page: http://www.critpath.org Beeper: (800) 973-8084 for toll-free call-back ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:22:25 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerhard Braeu Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Subject: EUROGEO 1 - European Geosynthetics Conference EUROGEO 1 The first European Geosynthetics Conference and Exhibition, to held in Maastricht, the Netherlands from 30 September till 2 October 1996. THIS IS A CONFERENCE YOU SHOULD ATTEND! Because... This conference is different. It does not just deal with research, above all it is practical, it gives you an opportunity to learn more about Geotextiles, Geomembranes and related products. And above all about their design and application in roads, waterways, the environment, or in special civil engineering structures. EuroGeo 1 offers you a Case-Study-session on each topic, a presentation of a number of different European countries and a wide variety of workshops and short-courses where the best specialists will tell you all you want to know about the state of the art in geosynthetics. In other words: this conference is made for you! You, as a Contractor, will surely want to know how much money you can save, - by choosing the most suitable geosynthetic for any project - by installing it properly - by learning about costs-cutting alternatives to traditional systems - By learning how other have stayed a step ahead. You, as a consultant, will want to experience why a smart design based on geosynthetics can offer so many advantages, lower costs, and greater safety. EuroGeo 1 will give you a lot of refreshing, interesting idea's. You, as a Designer, will want to have the opportunity to learn how to design with geosynthetics, how to use specialist Computer programs, and how to use the future European Standards. You, as a Client (public or private), will want to be certain that you are being offered the optimal products and methods. You will learn how to save construction time and costs, without reducing Safety. You, as an Expert or Scientist, will have the unique chance to discuss your views on specific scientific problems with your fellow-experts in special discussion sessions. You, as a Teacher, will want to update yourself on the state of the art, and learn about all possible applications of geosynthetics. You will have a clear overview of all available geosynthetics world-wide, along with their special features and applications in the large Exhibition area, where most of the extra activities, such as demonstrations, will take place. GEOSYNTHETICS HAVE THE FUTURE. That's Why ... you should contact Holland organizing centre: http://www.congresses.com/~eurogeo (The conference is organised by the Dutch chapter of the International Geosynthetics Society IGS under the auspice of the International Geosynthetics Society IGS) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:43:39 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Gerald de Jong Organization: MINT (Media Integration) BV Subject: Re: Syn-II Auction: Bidding Closed In <4hqh11$foa@newsbf02.news.aol.com> wlauritzen@aol.com (WLauritzen) writes: >NOTICE: >I have received an offer that I am happy with, and which I feel does >justice to the memory of Bucky, $67, and will close the bidding as soon as >he confirms. I have sent an e-mail to that person. In other words please >do not make any other offers even if they are higher. SOME AUCTION! i didn't even hear the sound of a gavel. it's over before i could offer $75. -- //---------------------------------------------- // gerald@mint.nl ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:51:01 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Elias Tabello Subject: Re: entropy and syntropy Karl: >one point of my argument is that entropy is *subjective*. in other words, >stars are 'chaotic' because the intricate order they contain is simply *too >complex* for us humans to readily comprehend. do you see how i am >attempting to accomodate both sides of this argument? there *is no >randomness* in universe! 'randomness' is a term that labels complexity >beyond our comprehension, but there is *always* order at some level. So do you think the Universe is self-regenerative or self-annihilating? elias@magi.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 21:20:22 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Dome Home paulg@wco.com (Paul Grosso) wrote: > >If you'd like to see some pictures of a very beautiful dome house, check >out this personal (non-commercial) home web page: > >http://www.wco.com/~ernie/ > >The home was built about 15 years ago on a hillside in West Marin County, >California in a redwood forest. > > - Paul > > Indeed, a very pretty dome home. Kirby -------------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:14:47 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Minimum energy polyhedra Comments: To: Martin Trump Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com At 08:27 PM 3/11/96 +0000, you wrote: >Kirby > >I much enjoyed seeing your www pages of polyhedra. May I invite you to >have a look at mine? > >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3142 > > >I've taken a very different approach to yours which you might find >interesting. I'd also be grateful if someone with more mathematical >knowledge than me could tell me if my results have any significance >beyond the fun I've had creating them. > > >Regards, > >-- >Martin Trump > > Martin -- I think your pages are fascinating. You might want to cite your URL on sci.math if you haven't already, since that might net you the most sophisticated responses, as to precedent, related work, connected problems etc. I know that algorithms to most evenly space n points on the circumference of a sphere, also the optimum arrangement of n circular patches to cover a sphere, are old mathematical fascinations. Your mutually repulsive electron model seems to do the job well. I really like your ray traces. Good shading. Is that POV-Ray, something you wrote yourself perchane? Anyway, very effective presentation. Wondering if a linear repulsive force, or something with a higher power (e.g. to-the-third) would end up with the same optimum, or whether there's something unique about 2nd powering (other than the fact that we find it in real live electrons). Fuller did talk about particles moving around on the inside of his spheres, bouncing circumferentially and arranging their trajectories into optimum orbits, but he never presented any specific algorithms for computing these trajectories (and in this case the model is of particles coming to rest -- not really what electrons would do in a shell either (perhaps we're speaking of 'average positions' -- my math isn't strong enough to know if that makes sense)). I'll plan to link to your page and mention it to some of the Fuller crowd. You might want to lurk there as well: bit.listserv.geodesic and my own email list re Fuller's geometry (msg: subscribe SYNERGETICS-L to: listserv@teleport.com). Great work! Kirby PS: Wonder what it'd be like to have a dynamical version of your program right on a web page, which showed the particles live, gradually coming to their 'rest' positions. Might be able to hack something in Java (do you have a Java-capable browser I wonder?) -- might only be able to run the lower V-numbers, but it'd still be fun to watch. -------------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 20:11:46 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Model kits (fwd) Karl P. Schmidt writes: > From xtronics.com!karl Mon Mar 11 12:42:50 1996 > Message-ID: <01BB0F59.CAAC0E00@cypress.idir.net> > From: "Karl P. Schmidt" > To: "'joemoore@CRUZIO.COM'" > Subject: Model kits > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:21:48 -0600 > Return-Receipt-To: karl@xtronics.com > MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at bbs.cruzio.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Thanks for listing us in your article about model kits. Unfortunately, = > the contact information is no longer valid. Please make a note of the = > new information. > > Transtronics, Inc. - www.xtronics.com/kits.htm > E-mail karl@xtronics.com > > Karl Schmidt > 3209 W.9th Street=20 > Lawrence, KS 66049=20 > > 913-841-3089 Fax: 913-841-0434 > Electronic "Glitter Globes"; $65 > > Thanking you in advance for your time. > > PS there is a jpg of the kit on the above web site! > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 23:51:14 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bill Walden Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Subject: Leaky domes? Gang, Hi. I came across this on alt.consumer.house and wondered if anyone had run into this problem before: --------------------------cut here------------------------------------- thelaw@ix.netcom.com(Raphael Moore ) wrote: >Does anyone have any information about builders or roofers of dome >houses ? I recently purchased one that has a very bad roof leak. No >one knows anything about it ! Any suggestions ??? >(916) 646-5577 >thelaw@ix.netcom.com > >Thanks, >R. Moore Stewart Brand, in the 1994 book _How Buildings Learn_, has some choice words about dome houses. Here's a snippet: "Domes leaked, always. The angles between the facets could never be sealed successfully. If you gave up and tried to shingle the whole damn thing--dangerous process, ugly result--the nearly horizontal shingles on top still took in water. [. . . ] Doors and windows weakened the structure, and *they* leaked because of shape and angle problems." (pp. 59-60) --------------------------cut here------------------------------------- I find this somewhat hard to believe (unless domes are a pyramid scheme!). Can anyone help out Mr. Moore? Additionaly, is there any books or magazines that compare the commercially available domes? Thanks in advance. Regards, Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Bill Walden | Internet: wbw@fc.hp.com | | Hewlett-Packard Company | Tel: 970-229-7812 | | 3404 E. Harmony Road | Fax: XXXXXXXXXXXX | | Ft. Collins, CO 80525 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 20:42:14 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: Re: entropy and syntropy Elias: >So do you think the Universe is self-regenerative or self-annihilating? i am fond of fuller's 'self-regenerative' concept, but note that this doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't regular 'self-annihilation' as well. i understand that it is a fairly common scientific belief that the big bang results in an expanding universe, which eventually becomes a contracting universe, followed by a 'big crunch', after which the cycle repeats itself... over and over ad infinitum. this does sound 'self regenerative', but still accomodates self-annihilation and entropy... although perhaps a contracting universe involves a different kind of 'entropy'. is anyone more familiar with this model than i? i am most fond of a speculation of mine that universe must ultimately be conceptually reducible to 'nothing' (but i prefer to call this 'omnisymmetry' or 'unity' - the result is the same: nondifferentiability). 'nothing' is the only beginning that seems to avoid begging the question - i.e. it is the only beginning that can't have a further, 'deeper' beginning. the minimum breaking of this omnisymmetry is simple distinction (with no other features), which creates two: 'observer and observed' - as in synergetics. universe from successivity: counting that starts with unity and proceeds infinitely. universe as pattern significance within successively accomodable integrities of configuration. thus, universe as ultimately metaphysical. relating universe evolution to counting successivity draws analogy between zero or unity as the beginning of counting and 'big bang' as a standard cosmological birth concept. i don't know what a 'big crunch' would be in this counting model, however, so my intuition does not as yet accomodate a 'self annihilating universe'. i'm not really sure what 'self-regenerative' would be in this model, either, however, but intuition leads me toward the speculation that 'self-regeneration' may be akin to pattern-repeatabilities in number. my intuition tells me that the 'heat death of universe' may be overextrapolation based on entropy-observations, but i haven't learned enough physics to properly comprehend the concepts involved. perhaps the 'universe' that 'dies the heat death' is but a portion of 'self-regenerative universe'. in other words, perhaps the concepts are compatible. perhaps it is the connotations and assumptions behind the words that mislead. -k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 00:54:26 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mike Youso Organization: Arctech Research Subject: Re: A zero-fossil-fuel studio? A major concern with any thermal storage system is the moisture from condensation on the surface of the thermal storage modules if a remote storage bank is used. If the storage bank gets much above 60% rh some rather nasty organisims will be growing in the air supply system with possibly serious considerations for IAQ. The most succesful thermal storage uses direct-gain solar mass walls rather than ducting warm moist air to a storage bank. Water modules work well in the lower 48, and gypsum board is better than masonry. Two or three layers of drywall is a good compromise since only the first 1.5" to 2" is diurnally active. a zero fossil fuel studio is quite feasible almost anywhere south of the arctic circle. * ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 00:03:08 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James McCaig Subject: Re: Leaky domes? At 11:51 PM 3/11/96 GMT, Bill Walden wrote: >Gang, > >Hi. I came across this on alt.consumer.house and wondered if >anyone had run into this problem before: >--------------------------cut here------------------------------------- >thelaw@ix.netcom.com(Raphael Moore ) wrote: >>Does anyone have any information about builders or roofers of dome >>houses ? I recently purchased one that has a very bad roof leak. No >>one knows anything about it ! Any suggestions ??? >>(916) 646-5577 >>thelaw@ix.netcom.com >> Dear Geodesic friends, As a builder, the idea of roofing a dome has given me some problems, too. In addition to the problem of leaking with conventional shingles, or with shakes, etc., lets face it, they are not made for the job. They are IMHO plain ugly. My idea is to consider EPDM rubber or possibly metal, depending on how the metal could be made to fit and seal. The rubber begins to look quite workable. There was a product on the market some years ago that consisted of EPDM rubber that was impregnated with copper dust. This resulted in the formation of a green patina over time and was quite attractive. Haven't seen it lately, but would like to run down. Any suggestions? The current project for which we are considering a dome has also been approached as an earth sheltered (more for aesthetics than any energy or other reason) structure with foliage on the roof. It looks fine, but there are structural considerations and use of concrete or ferro cement seems to lead to high finishing costs inside. I have considerable experience with more conventional earth sheltered and bermed houses and my son has completed several "Earth ships" in New Mexico. We are continually looking for something new and attractive for the roof, that doesn't break the bank. Any suggestions will be gratefully received. The Earth ships are a special problem in the desert, since the water that runs off the roof is often trapped in a cistern and used for drinking. Rubber doesn't work here. Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 02:13:29 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Copyright & out of print books To a large degree I think we should let the market determine the fate of books. If the author has presented useful ideas in an easy to assimitae fashion then people will want the book and, hopefully, publishers will see that there's profit to be made. I deplore the fact that Synergetics II is out of print. It took me several months of searching and calling almost every used bookstore in Southern California all the way to San Bernadino, before I found a copy. There should be another edition published. However, if you know anything about used books then you know that the first edition will generally (at least in Bucky's case) keep going up in value. Since the discovery of the Buckminsterfullerene molecule I expect that the value will increase even more. If you were the author of a book, and you died and the book went out of print would you want people making xerox copies of your book? I know I wouldn't. William William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:09:03 GMT Reply-To: salsbury@netcom.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Subject: Re: FAQ's/Archives ? In-Reply-To: dmcevers@poweramp.net's message of Fri, 08 Mar 96 09:58:33 GMT In article <4hovrg$ndj@pogo.poweramp.net> dmcevers@poweramp.net (Dan McEvers) writes: -Where are the FAQ's and archives for this list/group? - -Thanks... - -dmcevers@poweramp.net ==> http://www.poweramp.net/~dmcevers (Spokane, WA) You can send an email message to listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu and put the following line in the body (not the subject!) of the letter: index geodesic (This will also work with other listserv lists, you just have to put in the correct list name and mail to the correct listserv.) I think the GEODESIC archives go back to some point in '92 or '93. I don't know if anyone else has records farther back. I think mine have been lost to the winds of time. (I _did_ have 'em backed up on a VAX tape, but that was years ago, in school, and I'm not sure what ever became of that tape... :-( ) Pity...there were lots of neat discussions there about floating cities on the ocean and in the air. I'm sure not everyone has forgotten them. I certainly haven't. Projects for an upcoming year... ;^) Hope this helps! -- Pat _____________________________Think For Yourself______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury Web: http://seneca.sco.com/pat.html Mail with "send-file-info-please" in subject line to get my public-files list. ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:02:11 GMT+0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Venter, Dawie" Organization: Denel Informatics, Cape Reg Office Subject: Geodesic Copyright ? Picking up on the thread pertaining to copyright on books. Does anyone know if any royalties are payable every time a geodesic dome structure is built, or is the design in the public domain? I'm not referring to specific propriety hardware designs , e.g. a patented connector, but rather to the basic geodesic shell. Regards Dawie Ventre ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 21:49:45 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Mac Cosham Subject: syntropy alive and well in Australia I walked over to the park this evening and I saw syntropy in the grass and the trees and the flowers. From reading Bucky syntropy is obvious to me. Life is syntropic. I graduated from UCSB in 1972 with a BA in Zoology. I have some scientific background and know a little about entropy as taught in university. A little quote from Synergetic Dictionary Syntropy: "Syntropy: where energies are being accumulated... as in our earth, or in a vigorous child. " Syntropy makes common sense to me. My intuition supports it. I think that humans given the right circumstances or environment enjoy creating order out of disorder. I feel this in myself and see it in others. swami dharmraj aka John Mac Cosham dharmraj@hedgehog.highway1.com.au "Anything man needs to do he can afford to do." R.Buckminster Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:38:10 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Geodesic Patent Dawie Ventre asked: >Picking up on the thread pertaining to copyright on books. Does >anyone know if any royalties are payable every time a geodesic dome >structure is built, or is the design in the public domain? I'm not >referring to specific propriety hardware designs , e.g. a patented >connector, but rather to the basic geodesic shell. The term of a "Utility Patent" (includes the dome patent) was 17 years from date of issue in the US. The term of a "Design Patent" (non-utilitarian designs, such as the famous "Have A Nice Day" button) was 14 years. The term of a "Plant Patent" (mostly rose hybrids) was 17 years. The GATT has changed all this, but Bucky's patents expired long before GATT. Since I do not often deal with patents, I honestly have no idea what, if anything, GATT has done to the term of patents. If anyone has slogged through the truckload of documents that describe the GATT, please update us. Now you can see why patents are such a waste of time. "Copyrights" and "Trade Secrets" are much better ways to assure your ability to make a buck or two from your concept/idea/design, since they last much longer. A patent forces you to lay out your design for all the world to see, and then forces you to spend years in court trying to "protect it" against even a blantant thief. The thief will "challenge" your patent if he has half a brain, and suddenly, you are on the defensive, trying to keep the right to collect royalties from even the honest folks who signed a license agreement. The honest folks are not fools, so they all set up escrow accounts, and pay their royalties into the account rather than to you, thus starving you of whatever revenue stream you had before the thief decided to rip off your patented design. They all send you nice letters about how they cannot be expected to pay royalties when the patent may not be valid. They are, of course, 100% correct. If you keep pouring money and time into the black hole known as a "patent dispute", you get a judgement just AFTER the thief folds his tent, declares Chapter 7 liquidation, and catches the next plane to some small tropical country. Heads you loose, tails you loose. Fun game, huh? Copyright is much easier to enforce, and allows seziure of infringing products from warehouses and retail outlets without too much legal mumbo-jumbo or delay. I like "Trade Secret" the best, but I can't tell you too much, as the terms of my "Trade Secret" licensing agreements are themselves "Trade Secrets". Suffice to say that my licensees agree that not only the specific implementation, but their use of the underlying "methods and concepts" entitle me to full royalties. hehehe The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:48:05 +1200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rose Specht Subject: Re: "Changing The World", if possible >In Rose Specht >writes: >>>>The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. >>>>Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. >>> >>>> james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com >>> >>>things *are* changing. it's just happening so slowly it's hard >>>to notice.--------------------------------------------- >>>// gerald@mint.nl > >> Things are changing, and changing very rapidly. It is hard to notice the >>changes because we are in the flow of change. Like moving in a river, it is >>difficult to tell how far one has travelled without observing a fixed >>point, or being the fixed point on the shore. Right now there are no good >>fixed points of observation. Humanity's consciousness is evolving at an >>unprecedented rate. > >fashions wax and wane, spirituality rises and falls, but there's no strong >evidence that our consciousness is evolving. we learn small bits about >nature and our planet, enough to exploit its wealth on a short-term basis, >but wars continue, and the atmosphere fills ever-faster with unusual gases, >and the earth is ever-more overpopulated, imbalanced and polluted. > >you think things are improving, and then you see Buchannan on TV. :) > >things *are* changing, but your river image of the evolution is largely >illusory. taste the water. > >--Pat Buchanon is nothing more the the reflection of the part of ourselves >that fears and mistrusts the changes, and seeks to control the flow by >enforced isolation and withdrawal, to create a zone of comfort. >Controlling the flow has never worked. As we receive and love that part >of ourselves that we have denied, Pat will no longer need to provide us >with the gift of his reflection. We exist to help each other become >conscious of what we have put into unconsciousness--that is evolution. >Matter returning consciously to spirit. >//---------------------------------------------- >// gerald@mint.nl ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:32:16 +1200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rose Specht Subject: Re: Morphogenic Fields Of Sexual Delight > The suggestion that human's innate ignorance is morphogenically >dictated is the most ridiculous backwards logic I've tripped over in a >long time. Let's put this to rest with the example I use in private - sex. >There can be no argument that proper sexual technique is an ability that >promotes survival of the species/gene line under any circumstances. >Hence, if there were a morphogenic field of transmitted human >intelligence (or deliberate ignorance) it would include superior sexual >performance to promote procreation. As any fumbling teenager can tell >you - there is no such transmission. We continue to feel our way along >via trial and error becoming better lovers (and more efficient >procreators) as we learn. Dear Steve: > The idea that sex can put an argument to rest has been tried >before--you are brave indeed to do it publicly on the internet! The idea that sex is for procreation is indeed strongly anchored into the morphogenic field. In fact fumbling teenagers manage the root-sacral connections with an efficacy that makes them quite powerful in their procreative ability. Ah--but making love, that indeed takes practice. The tantric union of all the chakras, especially above the heart, as the reflecion of the inner divine marriage, the inner dance of yin and yang in balance, harmony, and beauty connecting us again to the Source of All--that takes sometimes many lives of practice to achieve. Indeed, as we become better lovers, the need or desire for ejaculation diminishes because it decreases the vibration of ecstasy in the higher chakras. Procreation becomes an act of will, not of random chance. But in the current state of sexual affairs where the spiritual aspects of sexual union are not discussed, teenagers still are perhaps more "efficient" lovers as well as procreators because their enthusiasm to explore and experience. Without that enthusiasm sex tends to become a comfort zone where a pattern is set up and repeated-- and practice doesn't make either for more efficient procreation or spiritual unfolding. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 07:26:35 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: A zero-fossil-fuel studio? Mike Youso wrote: >A major concern with any thermal storage system is the moisture from >condensation on the surface of the thermal storage modules if a remote >storage bank is used. I agree this is a good thing to avoid. I don't see a problem with moisture condensing on these containers of water while the containers are heating the house on a cloudy day, do you? Would moisture condense on the containers of water as they are being heated by sun-warmed air? Perhaps, if the air is moist. But the air should be fairly dry in the winter, if the house is reasonably-well ventilated and the sun heats it up. Do you think condensation will occur in this system, or are you just saying it's a concern? If so, I wonder under what conditions might it occur, and how might we avoid it? >If the storage bank gets much above 60% rh some rather nasty organisms >will be growing in the air supply system with possibly serious considerations >for IAQ. I wonder how the humidity would increase to 60%? It seems that, say, 32 F air at 100% relative humidity will have a much lower RH at 68 F, and on an average day in December, this solar closet should be about 130 F inside. >The most succesful thermal storage uses direct-gain solar mass walls >rather than ducting warm moist air to a storage bank. Again, where does the moist air come from? During charging, the air in a solar closet is completely self-contained. There is no mixing with house air... And when you mention "successful" direct gain solar mass walls do you mean Trombe walls? A few years ago, I spent some time explaining to a local architect, a more technical person than most, who had taken a few engineering courses on the way to architecting, that a "Trombe wall" with some dark-colored insulation on the outside and an air gap between the insulation and glazing and some to the inside of the house that opened up during the day was a lot more efficient at collecting and keeping solar heat in the house than a plain old "traditional" Trombe wall, with masonry right behind the glass, with no insulation. Here's what I said: A modified "Trombe wall" with insulation on the outside, and 1 ft^2 of south- facing single-glazed area and an R-value of 20, will receive about 1000 Btu/day of heat on an average 32F December day, where I live. If the room behind it has a constant temp of 70F, and the sun shines 6 hours a day, on the average, the energy that leaks out of the glass will be about 6 hours x (70F-32F) x 1 ft^2/R1 = 228 Btu during the day, and 18 hours x (70-32) x 1 ft^2/R20 = 34 Btu at night, a net gain of 1000 -228 -34 = 738 Btu/day. Simple, no? (~750 Btu, net, with double glazing, which passes less sun.) A standard unvented Trombe wall (Table IV-14b of Mazria's book says vented ones don't work much better) with a very large uninsulated thermal mass right behind the glass and an R-value of, say 2 (roughly 1' of masonry), would have an average temperature at the outside wall surface of about 32F + R1 x (70F-32F)/(R2+R1) = 45F, if there were no sun. If you add a heatflow of 1000 Btu/day of sun to that model, falling on the outside of the wall, the outside wall surface will have an average temperature of about 45F + 1000/24 x (R=2/3) = 72.4F, which contributes 24 hours x (72.4F- 70F) x 1 ft^2/R2 = 29 Btu/day to the room behind the wall. So the "improved Trombe wall" above, (actually an air heater with the thermal storage inside the house) is _more than 25 times as efficient_ (738/29) at collecting and keeping heat in the room behind it, than the usual Trombe wall. This is a bit oversimplified... Trombe walls are also thermal disasters during long strings of cloudy days. When the sun goes in for a week or two, they lose their stored heat in less than a day, and then leak house heat badly, dramatically raising backup heat or other solar thermal storage requirements. >Two or three layers of drywall is a good compromise since only the first >1.5" to 2" is diurnally active. Seems to me that a few "accent drums" full of water sprinkled around the house might be cheaper... >a zero fossil fuel studio is quite feasible almost anywhere south of the >arctic circle. We seem to agree on that :-) Nick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 18:00:35 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: synergy synergy -------------------- (lever) ^ principles desgin (example a ship) alloys g=mxm/d, general system, navy stratagy ephemerilization we are busy with special cases; there are few hundreds general principles, may be we should discuss. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 18:09:05 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: the periodic table Kiyoshi Kuromiya writes: > Fuller describes the complete periodic table as having 184 elements. >Thus far, we have only had a momentary glimpse of the post-Uranium half of >the periodic table. The post-Uranium elements are discovered in numerical >order because each requires greater amount of energy "to peel back the >inside-out part of the Universe and get an ever briefer glimpse of it" >(paraphrase). >--Kiyoshi so we can slice the f3 icosa, just like F had sliced open the f1 icosa map, and add the 92 more tringle(radio) and we get a triangulated map of the elements. i have not yet doen it but it will be interesting to see how it looks. this might be a new artifact that let the generaly tetra chemist to switch away from the linear thinking. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 11:59:50 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Morphogenic Fields Of Delight >>The suggestion that human's innate ignorance is morphogenically >>dictated is the most ridiculous backwards logic I've tripped over in a >>long time. Agreed. >...The tantric union of all the chakras... I have not heard the term "chakra" in many a year, not since "Chakra Khan" was making albums, as a matter of fact. She was quite a singer. I was amazed at how she was able to even stand up. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 18:11:05 CET Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: atress, fatgue, rest how to get of stress, or is stress sighn of to much reading? much bussiness tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:25:44 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: eteam Organization: Wirral Energy Advice Centre Subject: Re: A zero-fossil-fuel studio? In article <4i3qhr$lf@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>, Nick Pine writes >Mike Youso wrote: > > >And when you mention "successful" direct gain solar mass walls do you mean >Trombe walls? > >A few years ago, I spent some time explaining to a local architect, a more >technical person than most, who had taken a few engineering courses on the >way to architecting, that a "Trombe wall" with some dark-colored insulation >on the outside and an air gap between the insulation and glazing and some >to the inside of the house that opened up during the day was a lot more >efficient at collecting and keeping solar heat in the house than a plain old >"traditional" Trombe wall, with masonry right behind the glass, with no >insulation. Here's what I said: > > >Nick > -- eteam This modified Trombe wall sounds interesting however could you clarify the constuction as we are still a bit confused. i.e. is the dark insulation exterior or merley outside a wall sandwiched between glass. Put another way, does it go : outside / glass / dark insulation / wall / interior ? If so , how does the heat transfer through the dark insulation ? Chris & Scot --- The eteam ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:42:54 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mike Markowski Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Subject: Domes in Indian countryside This is an old article, but if you haven't seen it, it's still worth reading. Has anyone heard of any follow up work? http://wings.buffalo.edu/publications/reporter/vol25/vol25n12/9a.txt Mike -- Mike Markowski http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~markowsk/ PGP Public Key http://world.std.com/~franl/pgp/pgp-keyservers.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:52:00 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mike Markowski Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Subject: Transportation predictions In "Critical Path," Fuller points out that based on the times when various methods of transportation were invented, that by 1985 (if I recall his predicted year) mankind would have found a way to transport a man around the world nearly instantaneously. I think he called it radioscanning or something similar. Of course, this hasn't happened. Or is the Internet filling the role? Though it's not physical transport, thoughts are moving from brain to brain with much less effort and physical equipment between. However, Fuller was talking about _people_ being transported, not just their thoughts, so maybe this isn't a good comparison. In the end, that particular prediction doesn't really make or break anything Bucky has said or done. It impresses me, though, just how far he was willing to use trends to make decisions. Most would stop far short of a prediction like that because it sounds so farfetched. But it makes me think. The trend shows a culmination of some sort occurring around that point ('85). Maybe the next step is having to abandon the methodologies in that "curve" (because we've come up against farfetched outcomes??) and to pursue totally new methods to start ramping up on the new one... Something akin to planting new seeds after just reaping this harvest. Just thinking out loud a little. Hope I'm not wasting bandwidth, Mike -- Mike Markowski http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~markowsk/ PGP Public Key http://world.std.com/~franl/pgp/pgp-keyservers.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 13:02:46 -0500 Reply-To: OREGDOME Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: OREGDOME Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Leaky domes? The rumor that domes leak was well deserved in the 60's and 70's. If you built a square/rectangle house out of the materials that domes were built out of back then, it would have leaked just as badly. Now, however, I have a large contingent of roofers, roofing materials manufacturers and dome owners who can tell you that domes don't have to leek. One only needs to look at the complex gables that are being built on square/rectangle homes today to see that a dome roof is really no more complex. Let's get these folks who are spreading these uneducated rumors up to speed. Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 20:44:46 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Grosso Organization: WEST COAST ONLINE, Inc. Subject: Re: Eathquakes and geodesic dome structures I remember when my parent's built their dome on a hillside in West Marin, they discovered that the San Andres Fault ran right through the valley that they had planned to build on. I think their property is less than a mile from the actual fault line. They were required to build with massive cement pilars built all the way down into bedrock - in some cases 20+ feet deep. You can see their house on my father's web page: http://www.wco.com/~ernie/ - Paul ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:23:00 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: geodesic buckminster (fwd) Please send your reply to netnews@hotpage.stanford.edu. writes: > From hotpage.stanford.edu!no-one Tue Mar 12 15:40:33 1996 > Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:40:04 -0800 (PST) > Message-Id: <199603122340.PAB18102@hotpage.Stanford.EDU> > Subject: geodesic buckminster > From: "Please send your reply to netnews@hotpage.stanford.edu." > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at bbs.cruzio.com > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Subscription 1: geodesic buckminster > > Article: misc.consumers.house.86503 > Message-ID: <4i32jq$7bi@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> > From: duckchow@ix.netcom.com (M J Epko) > Subject: Re: Geodesic information? > Score: 100 > First 20 lines: > dboll@vcd.hp.com (David Boll) wrote: > > I've thought off and on about someday living in a geodesic dome house. > > I've been in a couple, and I love 'em. > > But - I went to a store today that has many (10?) booklets of home > > plans, and didn't see a single geodesic. Does anyone know of a place > > to get additional info: plans, kit descriptions, etc? > > Thanks! > >--------------- > > Dave Boll dboll@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com > > "The speed of time is one second per second" > There's tons of places, actually. Next time you're at a well-stocked > magazine place, thumb through a few of the Mother Earth News / Back > Home / Countryside - type magazines for ads. > And if you haven't already, you could try posting to > bit.listserv.geodesic newsgroup, which is roughly three parts > Buckminster Fuller theory and one part dome home. > A call to a reference library might yield something, & maybe try an > 800-number directory. > But here's a couple addresses to start with: > GeoDomes WoodWorks > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > For help information, send email SIFT Netnews Server > with word 'help' in message body netnews@sift.stanford.edu > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:15:10 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jan Lamprecht Organization: Internet Africa Subject: Naked Earth: The New Geophysics Naked Earth: The New Geophysics I've come across references to a book called: Naked Earth: The New Geophysics by Shawna Vogel. Has anyone got any idea where I can get this book? Kindly reply by e-mail as I do not monitor this group. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:45:56 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: the periodic table In-Reply-To: <65352.tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl>; from "tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL" at Mar 12, 96 6:09 pm tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL writes: > Kiyoshi Kuromiya writes: > > Fuller describes the complete periodic table as having 184 elements. > >Thus far, we have only had a momentary glimpse of the post-Uranium half of > >the periodic table. The post-Uranium elements are discovered in numerical > >order because each requires greater amount of energy "to peel back the > >inside-out part of the Universe and get an ever briefer glimpse of it" > >(paraphrase). > so we can slice the f3 icosa, just like F had sliced open the f1 > icosa map, and add the 92 more tringle(radio) and we get > a triangulated map of the elements. i have not yet doen it > but it will be interesting to see how it looks. this might > be a new artifact that let the generaly tetra chemist to switch > away from the linear thinking. I built a model of the Periodic Table of Elements out of Rhombic Dodecahedra. The first layer (12) is represented by one complete RD. The second layer (42) was built out of HALF RDs. The third layer (92) was built out of more half RDs. The diamond faces of the RDs were colored to show the red A and blue B modules. Sets of 3 Mites (2A's+1B times 3) represented either a proton or a neutron, depending on their orientation. The protons were always on the outside of the model (to interact with the electrons), while the neutrons were always inside. Actually it was only half of a "spherical" model so that I could separate (unnest) each shell for inspection. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 16:05:00 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceman <%%USER%%@PRIMENET.COM> Organization: Primenet Subject: Re: DOMEBOOK 2 While looking for geodesic math, I ran across your reference to Domebook 2. Several years ago I lost my copy of Domebook 2 while moving. Is this book still in print, and do you know where to get a copy or two? If you would be wiling to help me out, what I am really desperate to get are the chord factors and angles that are in several tables in the back. Years ago I memorized the numbers for a 3f Icosa, but all the others are lost to me. I'll send you pictures of the 30' diameter metal stud dome I am building. Thanks in advance for your help. Spaceman ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 21:02:51 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Subject: Re: At Play In The Morphogenic Fields Of The Lord To add my two cents to this already ridiculous thread... It's awfully hard to get a handle on whether the increased ability to give and receive pleasure ends up being a survival trait for the species. One could argue that good lovers get more chances to pass along their jeans... er, I mean genes; but that raises the alarming question of whether or not rapists' methods are more efficient... as well as a whole raft of equally undesirable suppostions. There has to be a range of possibilities along which personal evolution interfaces with species evolution. J. Michael Rowland.................................rowley@telalink.net ===========------------------------------------------------=========== |||||||(((( ASCII Text - Your BEST Entertainment Value ))))||||||| ===========------------------------------------------------=========== ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 02:44:59 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Waxman Organization: The Ohio State University Subject: Re: entropy and syntropy > > So do you think the Universe is self-regenerative or self-annihilating? > > elias@magi.com I think it is both, it like all things is cyclic, it is only a function of which linear (big circle) part of the cycle you are own. The universe is a perptual motion machine. Time is not a linear progression It is as has been said all relative! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 10:49:54 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: geodesic buckminster (fwd) >> Dave Boll wrote: >> > I've thought off and on about someday living in a geodesic dome house. >> > I've been in a couple, and I love 'em. >> > But - I went to a store today that has many (10?) booklets of home >> > plans, and didn't see a single geodesic. Does anyone know of a place >> > to get additional info: plans, kit descriptions, etc? >> > Thanks! if i would change the title of the subject, i would call it the psychological effect of geodesic dome. if you survy the building in Europe, you will see that the strucures are an emitation from America. perhaps it has a relation to the reconstruction of Europe after W2. and if you are in a university campous, you always feel that this cubical structure are uncomfortable to the psycic; so i would think that anything that havesphericgeodesicvertaxia resemblance will give a feeling of expanding and contracting, in harmony with the physiology of humans. loving may arise from there i wonder what kind of experience kissing a woman in such a place. please send one geodesic dome, with a female(b quantum) inside it, registred please. tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:05:35 CST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL Subject: Re: Domes in Indian countryside Mike Markowski writes: >This is an old article, but if you haven't seen it, it's still >worth reading. Has anyone heard of any follow up work? when was it, the last earthquake in india, in that time i being a victim of feeling and compulsion sent information about geodesic strcuture to the Indian Embassy, i called them first and they told me that they had sent the information to India. p.s the forst in india is in the worst condition of any. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:02:40 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Transportation predictions In-Reply-To: <4i4dk0$m1@louie.udel.edu>; from "Mike Markowski" at Mar 12, 96 5:52 pm Mike, I plugged in "habitat for humanity" into several search engines and two items (among others) popped up: International University Associates and International Affiliated Organizations. I sent an email to the univ reference, but the list of organizations in India only had postal addresses. The list has a dozen or so names and addresses, one of which may be near the ferrocement project. No affiliate at U of Buffalo. I found Yahoo most useful. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:17:51 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Eathquakes and geodesic dome structures In-Reply-To: <4i4nnu$lba@news.wco.com>; from "Paul Grosso" at Mar 12, 96 8:44 pm Paul Grosso writes: > I remember when my parent's built their dome on a hillside in West Marin, > they discovered that the San Andres Fault ran right through the valley > that they had planned to build on. I think their property is less than a > mile from the actual fault line. They were required to build with massive > cement pilars built all the way down into bedrock - in some cases 20+ feet > deep. You can see their house on my father's web page: > http://www.wco.com/~ernie/ By any chance was your parents' dome designed by David L. Wasley? There's a reference to a dome built in Marin County, CA, in Domebook 2 on pages 51-2 called "3/4 Dome". He did an extensive Stress Analysis Report in 1971 called "3/4 Third Frequency Icosahedron-Alternate Geodesic Dome, Mathematical Structural Analysis and Physical Tests". I'de love to get a copy of that report. I suspect a copy is on file at the Marin County Planning/Building Department. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:05:18 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: entropy and syntropy In-Reply-To: ; from "Waxman" at Mar 13, 96 2:44 am Waxman writes: > > So do you think the Universe is self-regenerative or self-annihilating? > > elias@magi.com > I think it is both, it like all things is cyclic, it is only a function of > which linear (big circle) part of the cycle you are own. > The universe is a perptual motion machine. > Time is not a linear progression > It is as has been said all relative! Time IS frequency. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:31:19 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: DOMEBOOK 2 In-Reply-To: <4i4vus$j0k@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>; from "Spaceman" at Mar 12, 96 4:05 pm Spaceman writes: > While looking for geodesic math, I ran across your reference to Domebook 2. > Several years ago > I lost my copy of Domebook 2 while moving. Is this book still in print, and do No longer in print, unfortunately. > you know where > to get a copy or two? Use the Interlibrary Loan Service of your local library. > If you would be wiling to help me out, what I am really desperate to get are > the chord factors > and angles that are in several tables in the back. Years ago I memorized the > numbers for a 3f > Icosa, but all the others are lost to me. The following books have Chord Factors in them: _Geodesics_ by Popko _Domebook 1_ by Pacific Domes _Domebook 2_ by Pacific Domes _The Dome Builder's Handbook_ by Prenis _Dome Notes_ by Hjersman _Polyhedra: A Visual Approach_ by Pugh _Geodesic Math and How to Use It_ by Kenner plus the FAQ for this LIST. > I'll send you pictures of the 30' diameter metal stud dome I am building. > Thanks in advance for your help. All the above books are out of print, so I suggest using your local interlibrary loan service. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:51:16 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Transportation predictions Mike Markowski said: >In "Critical Path," Fuller points out that based on the times when >various methods of transportation were invented, that by 1985 (if >I recall his predicted year) mankind would have found a way to transport >a man around the world nearly instantaneously. I think he called it >radioscanning or something similar. > >Of course, this hasn't happened. Or is the Internet filling the >role? Though it's not physical transport, thoughts are moving from >brain to brain with much less effort and physical equipment between. >However, Fuller was talking about _people_ being transported, not just >their thoughts, so maybe this isn't a good comparison. Or is it? I would submit my shedule for this Friday 03/16/96 as a good example (details removed to protect the guilty): 8:00am - Teleconference (Just Plain Old Telephone, but 20 people) 9:30am - Videoconference (5 People, Real-Time Audio & Video) 12:30pm - Lunch With a Few Friends (Face-To-Face) 2:00pm - Debug A System in Chicago 2:30pm - Debug A System in London 4:00pm - Set Up A New System in Malaysia 6:00pm - Haircut Where do I go for all this? Except for lunch, I do not need to leave my den. Except for the videoconference, I can wear what I like. My "travels" from Chicago to London to Malaysia require me to "wait" about 30 seconds between destinations. From Washington DC, it takes nearly 18 hours (realtime) to fly to Malaysia. If one uses Fed-X, one can send objects (like routers, cables, and other high-tech toys) FASTER than one can get there oneself via the commerical airlines. Therefore, I can do a better job of "being there" by staying home!!!! With phones, fax, e-mail, FTP, telnet, and other toys, I have no need to travel the majority of the time. For LESS than the cost of a used car, you can buy everything you need to do this sort of stuff. This does not eliminate the need for face-to-face meetings, but it reduces the need for travel once one has "come to terms" and cut a deal. In the case of "repeat business", it cuts travel to nil, since the client has been "trained" by then to use the best/quickest tool to get "instant" answers. I am nothing but a stream of ones and zeros to 90% of the people who "know" me. This is fine with me. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:16:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "James Fischer (by way of martinel@cisco.com (Merc Martinelli))" Subject: Re: Transportation predictions Of somewhat related interest, the 2/7/96 Mercury News (they have a searchable archive on the web) has an article titled "Object 'Sent' As 3-D Fax". Researchers at Stanford have devised a way scan an object into a 3-D computer model, and then send the file via fax to a sterolithograpy machine which creates a plastic clone of the object. The folks doing this have a web site at http://www-graphics.stanford.edu. Click on 'Cool Demos' then 'Happy Buddha'. Merc Martinelli martinel@cisco.com Mike Markowski said: >In "Critical Path," Fuller points out that based on the times when >various methods of transportation were invented, that by 1985 (if >I recall his predicted year) mankind would have found a way to transport >a man around the world nearly instantaneously. I think he called it >radioscanning or something similar. > >Of course, this hasn't happened. Or is the Internet filling the >role? Though it's not physical transport, thoughts are moving from >brain to brain with much less effort and physical equipment between. >However, Fuller was talking about _people_ being transported, not just >their thoughts, so maybe this isn't a good comparison. Or is it? I would submit my shedule for this Friday 03/16/96 as a good example (details removed to protect the guilty): 8:00am - Teleconference (Just Plain Old Telephone, but 20 people) 9:30am - Videoconference (5 People, Real-Time Audio & Video) 12:30pm - Lunch With a Few Friends (Face-To-Face) 2:00pm - Debug A System in Chicago 2:30pm - Debug A System in London 4:00pm - Set Up A New System in Malaysia 6:00pm - Haircut Where do I go for all this? Except for lunch, I do not need to leave my den. Except for the videoconference, I can wear what I like. My "travels" from Chicago to London to Malaysia require me to "wait" about 30 seconds between destinations. From Washington DC, it takes nearly 18 hours (realtime) to fly to Malaysia. If one uses Fed-X, one can send objects (like routers, cables, and other high-tech toys) FASTER than one can get there oneself via the commerical airlines. Therefore, I can do a better job of "being there" by staying home!!!! With phones, fax, e-mail, FTP, telnet, and other toys, I have no need to travel the majority of the time. For LESS than the cost of a used car, you can buy everything you need to do this sort of stuff. This does not eliminate the need for face-to-face meetings, but it reduces the need for travel once one has "come to terms" and cut a deal. In the case of "repeat business", it cuts travel to nil, since the client has been "trained" by then to use the best/quickest tool to get "instant" answers. I am nothing but a stream of ones and zeros to 90% of the people who "know" me. This is fine with me. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:38:01 -0500 Reply-To: SEABRZN Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: SEABRZN Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Geodesic Dome Plans Is there someone who has a file explaining the mathematics for the dome in a very basic manner?? Angles, side lengths, etc. Does anyone have the formulas that I may use?? Is there something I can get to help walk me through the mathematics included in detail?? Are there any books that would be good to read?? I would like to be able to build say a shed or small greenhouse in my yard and be able to adjust the size accordingly. Any help is very much appreciated ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 18:00:55 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: A zero-fossil-fuel studio? eteam wrote: >>... a "Trombe wall" with some dark-colored insulation >>on the outside and an air gap between the insulation and glazing and some >>holes to the inside of the house that opened up during the day was a lot more >>efficient at collecting and keeping solar heat in the house than a plain old >>"traditional" Trombe wall, with masonry right behind the glass, with no >>insulation... >This modified Trombe wall sounds interesting however could you clarify the >constuction as we are still a bit confused. i.e. is the dark insulation >exterior or merley outside a wall sandwiched between glass. The insulation is north of an air gap under the glass. I guess this was not very clear. >Put another way, >does it go : outside / glass / dark insulation / wall / interior ? ^ | Almost... air gap >If so , how does the heat transfer through the dark insulation ? The sun warms the air in the low-thermal-mass air gap, and the warm air moves up and through a hole in the top of the insulation and wall into the house, then back out of the house into the air gap through a hole in the bottom of the wall and insulation during the day, circulating between the house and the air gap. At night, a one-way plastic film damper covering the top hole or the bottom hole or both, closes to prevent reverse air flow and cooling, and the air gap quickly gets cold and stays cold all night, losing no heat to the outside world, except what flows through the rest of the insulated wall. The two holes might be equal sized, each 5% of the wall area, if this operates by natural convection, or they might have less area if what moves the air is a fan in series with a cooling thermostat in the air gap and a heating thermostat in the house. Nick PS: The airflow by natural convection is on the order of Q = 16.6 x Av x square root ((Tairgap - Thouse) x h) cfm ft^2 of each hole degrees F wall height in feet. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 04:44:02 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak <73737.2601@COMPUSERVE.COM> Organization: Environmental Valving Subject: Re: Transportation predictions Good points. But how can we be sure that someone hasn't made great strides in teleportation (transporter) technology and haven't made it known. Perhaps they have been hushed up for "national security" reasons. Maybe the "space plane" is actually the next leap. I think public access to space (as we now have public access to the air) would certainly fit on Bucky's exponential curve. Your intuition concerning the net may not be far off the mark. tony -- Make it so. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 03:34:43 -0500 Reply-To: SteveM5580 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: SteveM5580 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: U.S. Patent print I am trying to locate a print (about 24x36, black on silver-gray) of the patent that Fuller applied to the US Patent Office for the Geodesic. I saw one hanging on the wall in informational display at our local mall at xmas time. I understand that these were a limited printing and signed by Fuller. They were availiable years ago from BFI. I think it would look great hanging on the wall of my new dome! If anyone knows of a source of the orig or reproduction please E-Mail. Thanks, Steve ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:47:04 -0500 Reply-To: Steven L Combs Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Subject: The Subatomic Blues >From syncswim@world.std.com Thu Mar 14 09:12:12 1996 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 13:35:33 -0500 (EST) From: Steven L Combs Subject: Subatomic Blues G maj. pent. C maj. pent. D maj. pent. G major G minor pent. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + + X + + + + + X + O O O O X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X GX + X X X X X X + X GX X + + X X GO O O O O O X + X X X X + X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X O O O + + + + + + + + O O O X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X O + X CX + X X + X + + + X X O O O O O X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X DX + X X X X X + X X O O O O O + + + X + X + + O X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X O O By refering to the above diagrams you can see that overlapping the G major pentatonic, C major pentatonic, and D major pentatonic scales produces exactly the G major scale. This is analogous to the overlapping of Icosahedron, Pentagonal Dodecahedron, and Truncated Pentagonal Dodecahedron to create the Rhombic Triacontahedron. The structure of music is the same as the structure of the universe. In the Synergetic Atomic Model both proton and neutron are modeled with 3 overlaid substructures. These substructures can be used alone or in other combinations to accurately model other, smaller particles. This group of 6 basic structures can be ranked from lowest energy (Sum V) to highest energy: lowest - Vector Equilibrium Icosahedron Pentagonal Dodecahedron Duo Icosahedra/Tetrakaidecahedron Stellated Tetrakaidecahedron highest- Truncated Pentagonal Dodecahedron Interestingly, the lowest and highest energy particle models have identical vector lengths. This corresponds to the pentatonic scale of 1 - 5 tones and then an octave repeat with the sixth tone. Likewise, the strings on a guitar are set up with the 1st and 6th string both G's but two octaves apart. Continuing with this analogy of a series of six fundamental structural components in both music and particle physics; consider the slide note (+) that can be added to the pentatonic scale to create the "blues" scale. This falls between the icosahedron and the pentagonal dodecahedron, which are duals. The blues slide epitomizes the intertransformative relation between these two structures. These correlations are structural and fundamental. But I can't resist the temptation to have some fun pointing out that the most standard of blues chord progressions - E,A,B consists of the letter names of the quanta modules that the Synergetic Atomic Model uses to model the strong force and the electron. E Quanta = strong force model Isomatrix A & B quanta = electron model But, of course, that's just random chance. Or is it?:-) Sincerely, Steven Lee Combs Syncorswim, Inc. (Go V.U. Wildcats!) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:01:46 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: U.S. Patent print Comments: To: stevem5580@aol.com In-Reply-To: <4i8ln3$9j8@newsbf02.news.aol.com>; from "SteveM5580" at Mar 14, 96 3:34 am SteveM5580 writes: > I am trying to locate a print (about 24x36, black on silver-gray) of the > patent that Fuller applied to the US Patent Office for the Geodesic. I saw > one hanging on the wall in informational display at our local mall at xmas > time. I understand that these were a limited printing and signed by > Fuller. They were availiable years ago from BFI. > I think it would look great hanging on the wall of my new dome! If anyone > knows of a source of the orig or reproduction please E-Mail. The only people who could possibly help you is the Buckminster Fuller Institute at bfi@aol.com. Long ago they sold both paper copies and limited edition collector's copies. Ask them for their catalog and sample newsletter. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:17:30 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii ------------------------------------------------------------- DE DIGITALE STAD inspit of not following my advice: i would think that to be adaptable, one must be quite flexible to move in doing and thinking, leaving a question they were trying to answer to another becuse they see that they must do that now or the earliest. but i think that the area of consern must be quite light hearted- reading with minmum of effort. so i was thinking that what i am looking for is to understand Fuller becuse when i do then i will understand what comprehensive thinking is all about. so i am not intrested in knowing the department sanction of what knowldge is all about, if i want to do that imust stop with Fuller and go take a degree in a nice science such chemistry. but that is not what i am after, so my goal is to understand fuller full stop, there is no other person i would like to understand more than fuller, if i make a list of 100 people i would like to figuer out, i would put leonardo in number say 90. so to me fuller is in the topest or topmost. now this needs to be developed. but i give what i thought about today. 1. the most importand to take that road , is to learn about design, and scientific formulation, data that is pertenent to his ideas( i have some clue to that) but later. 2. to take the most recent topic that fuller have linked together as the second point to learn about. i find a list in the last chapter of cosmology, i write it first Einstain significance to society b. religion, goverment , money making as anti sucess of humanity human needs and how they are manupulated by them. c.specilization, Darwns' stallion,animal and in plants. d.engins and doing more with less e. population and precariousness. f. ethymology g.atom and instrument of seeing them( relate to change of perspective) h.disarmement, and enviroment l. child bearing - infants helplesness. m. radio T.V experience for Berkely sudents. now you can divide this list into 3 sets. this what i call the easy part of learning the fuller way. the first subject is the one that needs, tinkering deep invistigation. the second is the light heart branch. now the second subject is the most recent that fuller had dealt with, and the most recent to our thinking i would think that would be a good place to start. and then move back to history. one last note. this are operative principles, which means how realy some event works, so the search is very directed the books to find these is you business. if one goes theoritical there is no end and one can come back empty handed. that is why fuller discarded the ocnventional theories about knowldge, it is quite difficult subject to deal with. but i give few hints, i hope the are of intrest. by the way i am not very learned. i had micmose degree in sociology without knowing much english that time 1973 michigan, i was intrested in the excitment of being in america, opressed by my father and completely hetmtaized by the trumas of the past, i was dreaming, i came still when the left over of the hippy gave america, as did england a feeling of easy and enchanmtent nothing in comperison to the 90. Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:02:36 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: twade@UNINET.NET Organization: Uninet Subject: Omnispheres I have read about a project to create a low cost shelter called Omnispheres. Some of the people associated with the project were Nick Edwards, Nader Khalili, Jamie Schneider and Ted Hayes. It sounded at the time like the design might be on the right track. Does anyone know if they are now working on it or what has happened with Justiceville/Homeless USA? Dick Fischbeck>uni00063@uninet.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:33:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dan McEvers Organization: DMC Subject: Hub systems? I'm trying to find the archives for this list/group and I'm trying to gather information about any hub systems that people have devised. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -- dmcevers@poweramp.net ==> http://www.poweramp.net/~dmcevers (Spokane, WA) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 06:44:44 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: Spring Theory: Three Cornerstones Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199603151142.AA09592@xs1.xs4all.nl>; from "Gerald A. de Jong" at Mar 15, 96 12:42 pm Gerald A. de Jong writes: > tagdi: > > tensegrity represents a phenomenon so universal that it may eventually > >be the key to modeling a unified field theory, a tantalizing goal of the > >scientific community for centuries. > now we're talking! For drawings and the formula for Fuller's Unified Field Model see: _Synergetics 1_, sects 982.61 (text & drawings section), 982.71, 982.73, and 1052.30. _Synergetics 2_, color Plate 9, sects 270.21, 982.61-A, 986.143, 1052.32-33, and 1077.11 (formula). -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 04:16:01 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: ernie@WCO.COM Organization: West Coast Online's News Server - Not responsible for content Subject: Re: Leaky domes? wbw@cnd.hp.com (Bill Walden) wrote: >Gang, >Hi. I came across this on alt.consumer.house and wondered if >anyone had run into this problem before: >--------------------------cut here------------------------------------- >thelaw@ix.netcom.com(Raphael Moore ) wrote: >>Does anyone have any information about builders or roofers of dome >>houses ? I recently purchased one that has a very bad roof leak. No >>one knows anything about it ! Any suggestions ??? >>(916) 646-5577 >>thelaw@ix.netcom.com >> >>Thanks, >>R. Moore >Stewart Brand, in the 1994 book _How Buildings Learn_, has some choice words >about dome houses. Here's a snippet: >"Domes leaked, always. The angles between the facets could never be sealed >successfully. If you gave up and tried to shingle the whole damn >thing--dangerous process, ugly result--the nearly horizontal shingles on top >still took in water. [. . . ] Doors and windows weakened the structure, and >*they* leaked because of shape and angle problems." (pp. 59-60) >--------------------------cut here------------------------------------- >I find this somewhat hard to believe (unless domes are a pyramid >scheme!). Can anyone help out Mr. Moore? Additionaly, is there >any books or magazines that compare the commercially available >domes? Thanks in advance. >Regards, > Bill > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Bill Walden | Internet: wbw@fc.hp.com | > | Hewlett-Packard Company | Tel: 970-229-7812 | > | 3404 E. Harmony Road | Fax: XXXXXXXXXXXX | > | Ft. Collins, CO 80525 | | > --------------------------------------------------------------------- I have lived in a dome that I built fifteen years ago, one that has never leaked. My neighbor also lives in a dome and has never had a leak as well. So to those many people that think differently about domes I can say that they are mistaken. I also live on an earthquake fault and have done quite well through that as well. To thos that may have questions about building or living in a dome, I would be happy to tell of my own experiences and answer any questions. If you care to look at my dome you can find it at http://www.wco.com~ernie or e-mail me at ernie@wco.com Glad to help if I can. There are some positive and some negative aspects to domes you may or may not know about. By the way, this is not a commercial for anything. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:08:53 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Hub systems? In-Reply-To: ; from "Dan McEvers" at Mar 15, 96 1:33 am Dan McEvers writes: > I'm trying to find the archives for this list/group and I'm trying To: listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: (blank) index geodesic ---------------------- Once you get the list of logs-- To: listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: (blank) get log____ (yymm) ------------------ BTW, to get a list of all the commands that the list server computer recognizes, send the command HELP by itself. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:15:54 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Geodesic Dome Plans Comments: To: seabrzn@AOL.COM In-Reply-To: <4i7f7p$n61@newsbf02.news.aol.com>; from "SEABRZN" at Mar 13, 96 4:38 pm SEABRZN writes: > Is there someone who has a file explaining the mathematics for the dome in > a very basic manner?? Angles, side lengths, etc. Does anyone have the > formulas that I may use?? Is there something I can get to help walk me > through the mathematics included in detail?? Are there any books that > would be good to read?? > I would like to be able to build say a shed or small greenhouse in my yard > and be able to adjust the size accordingly. > Any help is very much appreciated See the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for this LIST at: http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf/fuller-faq.html Chapter 4 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:30:29 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Subject: e-mail posting Because I log on from the ambulance base where I work, sometimes I must log off in a hurry. If I interrupt an e-mail I'm composing, it is no problem to continue later. But if I interrupt a post on my newsreader, it is lost and I must start from scratch. I tried e-mailing a post to GEODESIC@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU - while it didn't bounce back, I haven't seen it on the newsgroup. I apparently was able to e-mail the synergetics-l@teleport.com group successfully. Any suggestions? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:42:05 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DIGEST OF GEODESIC LIST I have just realized that it is possible to receive just a DIGEST of the Geodesic list. If you want to try this feature, do the following: To: listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: (blank) set digests -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:52:00 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Omnispheres In-Reply-To: ; from "twade@UNINET.NET" at Mar 14, 96 11:02 pm twade@UNINET.NET writes: > I have read about a project to create a low cost shelter called Omnispheres. > Some of the people associated with the project were Nick Edwards, Nader > Khalili, Jamie Schneider and Ted Hayes. It sounded at the time like the design > might be on the right track. Does anyone know if they are now working on it or > what has happened with Justiceville/Homeless USA? > Dick Fischbeck>uni00063@uninet.net See the FAQ for this list (section 5.15). Also, do a search of the WWW using the keyword GENESIS I or JUSTICEVILLE; you should find at least half a dozen references. See the Feb 94 issue of Popular Science on page 45; the Nov 93 issue of Architectural Review, pgs 66-7; and the 11-1-93 issue of the San Jose Mercury News, p 1-A. Search the names: Ted Hayes Craig Chamberlain and the words: fiberglass homeless domes geodesic buckminster Omni-Spheres -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:00:12 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: e-mail posting In-Reply-To: ; from "Steven L Combs" at Mar 15, 96 12:30 pm Steven L Combs writes: > Because I log on from the ambulance base where I work, sometimes I > must log off in a hurry. If I interrupt an e-mail I'm composing, it is > no problem to continue later. But if I interrupt a post on my > newsreader, it is lost and I must start from scratch. I tried e-mailing > a post to GEODESIC@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU - while it didn't bounce back, I > haven't seen it on the newsgroup. I apparently was able to e-mail the > synergetics-l@teleport.com group successfully. Any suggestions? If you wish you can tell the list server for the Geodesic list to always send you a copy of your postings just to make sure it got through correctly. To: listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: (blank) set repro -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:11:01 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James McCaig Subject: Re: e-mail posting Dear Steven, Yes, I experienced the same thing and found that you must set your options to receive a copy of your own posts. I needed help from the administrator to get this done, but maybe you can figure it out from the FAQ. Warm regards, At 12:30 PM 3/15/96 GMT, Steven L Combs wrote: > Because I log on from the ambulance base where I work, sometimes I >must log off in a hurry. If I interrupt an e-mail I'm composing, it is >no problem to continue later. But if I interrupt a post on my >newsreader, it is lost and I must start from scratch. I tried e-mailing >a post to GEODESIC@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU - while it didn't bounce back, I >haven't seen it on the newsgroup. I apparently was able to e-mail the >synergetics-l@teleport.com group successfully. Any suggestions? > Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:06:32 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Geodesic Patent James Fischer wrote: > If you keep pouring money and time into the black hole > known as a "patent dispute", you get a judgement just > AFTER the thief folds his tent, declares Chapter 7 > liquidation, and catches the next plane to some small > tropical country. > > Heads you loose, tails you loose. Fun game, huh? Sometimes. Eg at InterDigital Patents Corp, whose 5 employees last year signed up AT&T, Motorola, OKI, Northern Telecom, Siemens and others to pay them $100 million in royalties on their digital cellular telephone patents, after a few court battles. That's about a tenth of what they will eventually collect, the way I figure it. I used to be their "Manager, Intellectual Property Rights." Nick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 21:00:28 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: tom aagdii Subject: Re: syn-l: Spring Theory: Three Cornerstones Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <9603150644.aa06964@bbs.cruzio.com> ------------------------------------------------------------- DE DIGITALE STAD Op Fri, 15 Mar 1996, Joe Moore schreef: > Gerald A. de Jong writes: > > tagdi: > > > tensegrity represents a phenomenon so universal that it may eventually > > >be the key to modeling a unified field theory, a tantalizing goal of the > > >scientific community for centuries. > > now we're talking! sorry, i have not mention that this was a quate from the last chapter in cosmography. any way some one red the book and said that fuller did not write this one. i was wondering if the book was a collaborted work. the language of cosmograpohy is quite different from utopia or oblivion. just quesion Tagdi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:42:12 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: File: "GEODESIC LIST" (fwd) L-Soft list server at UBVM writes: > From ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu!orphanage Fri Mar 15 10:15:00 1996 > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:13:20 -0500 > From: "L-Soft list server at UBVM (1.8b)" > Subject: File: "GEODESIC LIST" > To: joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > Message-ID: <9603151014.aa25763@bbs.cruzio.com> > * > * List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > * > * Review= Private > * Subscription= Open,Confirm > * Send= Public > * Notify= No > * Reply-to= List,Respect > * Files= No > * Validate= No > * Stats= Normal,Private > * Ack= No > * Mail-Via= Distribute > * Newsgroups= Bit.Listserv.Geodesic > * Notebook= Yes,N5/VMSYSU:LISTSERV.GEODESIC,Monthly,Public > * Errors-to= Owner > * > * OWNER= salsbury@netcom.com (Patrick G. Salsbury) > * > * Country Subscribers > * ------- ----------- > * Australia 1 > * Austria 1 > * Brazil 1 > * Canada 12 > * Germany 2 > * Great Britain 1 > * Greece 1 > * Iceland 1 > * Ireland 1 > * Italy 1 > * Monaco 1 > * Netherlands 1 > * Singapore 1 > * South Africa 2 > * USA 127 > * ??? 3 > * > * Total number of users subscribed to the list: 157 > * Total number of countries represented: 16 > * Total number of local node users on the list: 0 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:18:53 MST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Ken G. Brown" Subject: Natural Spaces Domes Natural Spaces Domes seems to have one of the more efficient and practical dome kit systems I've seen, especially for cold climates where lots of insulation and attention to condensation problems is desirable. It's a hub and strut system with a nifty hub/connector. Deserves looking at. Their address is (or a least was May '95): Natural Spaces Domes 37955 Bridge Road North Branch, MN 55056 _____________________________________________________________________ Ken G. Brown, BscEE, PEng. Internet: kbrown@nisku.blackgold.ab.ca Syngen Industrial Control Phone: 403.986.1203 206 Building B, 5904 - 50th Street Fax: 403.986.5299 Leduc, Alberta, Canada T9E 6J3 _____________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:18:13 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: File: "GEODESIC FILELIST" (fwd) L-Soft list server at UBVM writes: > From ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu!orphanage Fri Mar 15 13:22:10 1996 > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:20:34 -0500 > From: "L-Soft list server at UBVM (1.8b)" > Subject: File: "GEODESIC FILELIST" > To: joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > Message-ID: <9603151322.aa23701@bbs.cruzio.com> > > * GEODESIC FILELIST for LISTSERV@UBVM. > * > * Archives for list GEODESIC (List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's w > orks) > * > * ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > * > * The GET/PUT authorization codes shown with each file entry describe > * who is authorized to GET or PUT the file: > * > * ALL = Everybody > * OWN = List owners > * > * ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > * > * NOTEBOOK archives for the list > * (Monthly notebook) > * rec last - change > * filename filetype GET PUT -fm lrecl nrecs date time Remarks > * -------- -------- --- --- --- ----- ----- -------- -------- ---------------- > --------------- > GEODESIC LOG9206 ALL OWN V 80 470 92/06/25 11:52:46 Started on Sat, > 20 Jun 1992 04:19:18 CST > GEODESIC LOG9207 ALL OWN V 79 617 92/07/31 13:47:59 Started on Tue, > 7 Jul 1992 13:45:40 GMT > GEODESIC LOG9208 ALL OWN V 79 218 92/08/14 18:55:31 Started on Sun, > 2 Aug 1992 22:31:00 EST > GEODESIC LOG9209 ALL OWN V 80 4073 92/09/30 19:38:32 Started on Wed, > 9 Sep 1992 15:01:18 EDT > GEODESIC LOG9210 ALL OWN V 80 1662 92/10/29 15:06:02 Started on Thu, > 1 Oct 1992 10:37:00 EDT > GEODESIC LOG9211 ALL OWN V 78 43 92/11/10 12:15:15 Started on Mon, > 9 Nov 1992 18:23:07 EDT > GEODESIC LOG9212 ALL OWN V 80 1197 92/12/28 10:52:16 Started on Wed, > 9 Dec 1992 09:14:54 +0800 > GEODESIC LOG9301 ALL OWN V 79 309 93/01/30 13:19:08 Started on Tue, > 12 Jan 1993 22:29:43 CST > GEODESIC LOG9303 ALL OWN V 74 318 93/03/21 21:17:15 Started on Sun, > 21 Mar 1993 21:14:09 -0500 > GEODESIC LOG9304 ALL OWN V 125 560 93/04/27 23:52:19 Started on Sat, > 10 Apr 1993 00:44:13 PDT > GEODESIC LOG9305 ALL OWN V 78 147 93/05/30 19:54:56 Started on Fri, > 7 May 1993 17:55:42 EST > GEODESIC LOG9306 ALL OWN V 81 247 93/06/23 13:31:39 Started on Tue, > 15 Jun 1993 20:55:21 GMT > GEODESIC LOG9307 ALL OWN V 117 173 93/07/31 21:52:00 Started on Sun, > 11 Jul 1993 13:04:14 PDT > GEODESIC LOG9308 ALL OWN V 79 192 93/08/23 11:18:15 Started on Mon, > 2 Aug 1993 06:54:22 EDT > GEODESIC LOG9309 ALL OWN V 81 970 93/09/30 12:43:33 Started on Wed, > 1 Sep 1993 14:10:05 -0400 > GEODESIC LOG9310 ALL OWN V 80 2769 93/10/29 17:59:07 Started on Thu, > 30 Sep 1993 23:23:23 EDT > GEODESIC LOG9311 ALL OWN V 86 419 93/11/22 19:07:51 Started on Fri, > 5 Nov 1993 08:53:35 EST > GEODESIC LOG9312 ALL OWN V 705 1383 93/12/30 16:24:22 Started on Wed, > 1 Dec 1993 01:14:39 -0800 > GEODESIC LOG9401 ALL OWN V 199 1910 94/01/31 20:29:47 Started on Sat, > 8 Jan 1994 19:46:00 GMT > GEODESIC LOG9402 ALL OWN V 134 1829 94/02/28 22:48:21 Started on Thu, > 3 Feb 1994 22:28:56 +22311516 > GEODESIC LOG9403 ALL OWN V 151 2259 94/03/31 16:46:42 Started on Tue, > 1 Mar 1994 20:38:06 +0800 > GEODESIC LOG9404 ALL OWN V 166 2770 94/04/30 18:54:45 Started on Fri, > 1 Apr 1994 18:11:30 -0500 > GEODESIC LOG9405 ALL OWN V 80 6220 94/05/31 15:39:23 Started on Sun, > 1 May 1994 16:16:35 -0700 > GEODESIC LOG9406 ALL OWN V 155 8351 94/06/30 18:46:24 Started on Wed, > 1 Jun 1994 09:30:00 GMT > GEODESIC LOG9407 ALL OWN V 113 13611 94/07/31 21:15:39 Started on Sat, > 2 Jul 1994 06:42:56 GMT > GEODESIC LOG9408 ALL OWN V 475 5717 94/08/31 23:09:51 Started on Mon, > 1 Aug 1994 08:34:27 +0100 > GEODESIC LOG9409 ALL OWN V 80 4783 94/09/30 21:21:55 Started on Thu, > 1 Sep 1994 06:39:46 -0700 > GEODESIC LOG9410 ALL OWN V 82 6325 94/10/31 12:59:18 Started on Sat, > 1 Oct 1994 00:35:59 GMT > GEODESIC LOG9411 ALL OWN V 178 14010 94/11/30 22:18:44 Started on Mon, > 31 Oct 1994 16:52:42 +0100 > GEODESIC LOG9412 ALL OWN V 159 16548 94/12/31 23:54:37 Started on Wed, > 30 Nov 1994 21:09:08 +0100 > GEODESIC LOG9501 ALL OWN V 107 23473 95/01/31 20:09:35 Started on Sun, > 1 Jan 1995 11:09:12 -0800 > GEODESIC LOG9502 ALL OWN V 233 7135 95/02/28 11:28:41 Started on Tue, > 31 Jan 1995 23:59:59 -0500 > GEODESIC LOG9503 ALL OWN V 181 12009 95/03/31 18:57:07 Started on Tue, > 28 Feb 1995 23:13:16 PST > GEODESIC LOG9504 ALL OWN V 88 11218 95/04/30 16:35:02 Started on Sat, > 1 Apr 1995 05:45:24 -0500 > GEODESIC LOG9505 ALL OWN V 101 13048 95/05/31 11:49:36 Started on Sun, > 30 Apr 1995 11:52:05 GMT > GEODESIC LOG9506 ALL OWN V 85 26931 95/06/30 23:21:43 Started on Thu, > 1 Jun 1995 03:49:56 -0400 > GEODESIC LOG9507 ALL OWN V 90 9285 95/07/31 20:29:24 Started on Sat, > 1 Jul 1995 02:13:41 GMT > GEODESIC LOG9508 ALL OWN V 93 12975 95/08/31 04:06:50 Started on Mon, > 31 Jul 1995 21:08:53 -0400 > GEODESIC LOG9509 ALL OWN V 80 3880 95/09/30 06:40:50 Started on Fri, > 1 Sep 1995 17:23:16 -0400 > GEODESIC LOG9510 ALL OWN V 87 8319 95/10/31 23:09:40 Started on Sat, > 30 Sep 1995 21:31:45 -1000 > GEODESIC LOG9511 ALL OWN V 92 12874 95/11/30 23:59:18 Started on Wed, > 1 Nov 1995 11:45:20 GMT > GEODESIC LOG9512 ALL OWN V 108 12805 95/12/31 22:07:23 Started on Fri, > 1 Dec 1995 02:23:57 -0500 > GEODESIC LOG9601 ALL OWN V 153 10376 96/01/31 14:14:54 Started on Sun, > 31 Dec 1995 11:31:14 PST > GEODESIC LOG9602 ALL OWN V 252 15042 96/02/29 22:03:24 Started on Wed, > 31 Jan 1996 22:00:40 PST > GEODESIC LOG9603 ALL OWN V 95 8890 96/03/15 16:19:05 Started on Thu, > 29 Feb 1996 22:38:53 -0800 > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:15:35 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Output of your job "joemoore" (fwd) L-Soft list server at UBVM writes: > From ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu!orphanage Fri Mar 15 13:22:09 1996 > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:20:36 -0500 > From: "L-Soft list server at UBVM (1.8b)" > Subject: Output of your job "joemoore" > To: joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > Message-ID: <9603151322.aa23694@bbs.cruzio.com> > > > info > > List of information files available from LISTSERV@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU: > > REFcard (LISTSERV REFCARD) Command reference card > FAQ (LISTFAQ MEMO ) Frequently Asked Questions > PResent (LISTPRES MEMO ) Presentation of LISTSERV for new users > GENintro (LISTSERV MEMO ) General information about LISTSERV > KEYwords (LISTKEYW MEMO ) Description of list header keywords > AFD (LISTAFD MEMO ) Description of Automatic File Distribution > FILEs (LISTFILE MEMO ) Description of the file-server functions > LPunch (LISTLPUN MEMO ) Description of the LISTSERV-Punch format > JOB (LISTJOB MEMO ) Description of the Command Jobs feature > DISTribute (LISTDIST MEMO ) Description of DISTRIBUTE > FILEOwner (LISTFOWN MEMO ) Information guide for file owners > DATABASE (LISTDB MEMO ) Description of the database functions > OWNers (LISTOWNR MEMO ) Description of list-owners commands > PUT (LSVPUT EXEC ) An exec to facilitate sending PUT commands > > You should order the PResentation or GENintro guides if you are new to > LISTSERV. > > > Summary of resource utilization > ------------------------------- > CPU time: 0.004 sec Device I/O: 0 > Overhead CPU: 0.001 sec Paging I/O: 0 > CPU model: 3090 DASD model: 3380 > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:20:23 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: COMMANDS L-Soft list server at UBVM writes: > From ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu!orphanage Fri Mar 15 13:22:13 1996 > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:20:36 -0500 > From: "L-Soft list server at UBVM (1.8b)" > Subject: Output of your job "joemoore" > To: joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > Message-ID: <9603151322.aa23757@bbs.cruzio.com> > > > help > > LISTSERV version 1.8b - most commonly used commands > > Info Order documentation > Lists Get a description of all lists > SUBscribe listname Subscribe to a list > SIGNOFF listname Sign off from a list > SIGNOFF * (NETWIDE - from all lists on all servers > REView listname Review a list > Query listname Query your subscription options > SET listname options Update your subscription options > INDex Order a list of LISTSERV files > GET filename filetype Order a file from LISTSERV > REGister full_name|OFF Tell LISTSERV about your name > > There are more commands (AFD, FUI, PW, etc). Send an INFO REFCARD for a > comprehensive reference card, or just INFO for a list of available > documentation files. > > The following local commands are available at this installation: > > /Nearest node <(options<<(>>> Find the nearest LISTSERV to a specified > node. > Options: Distance - causes the distance from your node to > target node to be stated. This is the > default. > NODistan - does not cause the distance to be stat > Prefer - Allows you to specify a prefered node > Backbone - will only search for the nearest server > on the backbone. > NOWeight - does not take link weights into account > when considering distances. WEIGHT is > the default. > Lists - will only search for the nearest server > hosting the LISTS database. > Udd - will only search for the nearest server > hosting the User Directory database. > > /CLosest node <(options<<(>>> Same as /NEAREST > > This server is managed by: > Jim Gerland > > Summary of resource utilization > ------------------------------- > CPU time: 0.010 sec Device I/O: 0 > Overhead CPU: 0.002 sec Paging I/O: 0 > CPU model: 3090 DASD model: 3380 > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 20:11:56 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tognon Marco Organization: PING Belgium Subject: Re: Omnispheres twade@uninet.net wrote: > > I have read about a project to create a low cost shelter called Omnispheres. > Some of the people associated with the project were Nick Edwards, Nader > Khalili, Jamie Schneider and Ted Hayes. It sounded at the time like the design > might be on the right track. Does anyone know if they are now working on it or > what has happened with Justiceville/Homeless USA? > > Dick Fischbeck>uni00063@uninet.net > Helo Dick, Omni-Sphere s still running, as far as I know. I received a flyer with some other information on the Los Angeles project some where in august last year. A price list included, but the domes seems a bit expensive to me if you look at the purpose of the domes, sheltering these who lost everything (disasters) or hose who can not afford whatever else (homeless, third world countries, etc...) The Omni Sphere domes have been spotted by a colleage of mine, who came back from an assignement in Korea. He took some pictures of one in Seoul. I give you the address and phone number here; World Shelter 1545 Wilshire Blvd, suite 408 Los Angeles CA 90017 Tel: +1 (213) 483 8300 Fax: +1 (213) 483 2748 Mention my name if you like to be so kind. I hope to of service to you. Good luck, Marco ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:10:05 -0500 Reply-To: SEABRZN Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: SEABRZN Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: POV or DXF viewer Does anyone know where I can find a viewer that will run with my Windows version 3.1?? Any help is much appreciated ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:37:23 -0500 Reply-To: SteveM5580 Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: SteveM5580 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Bucky Film I heard April 10 on PBS. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 23:11:24 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Geodesic Patent Nick Pine said: >Sometimes. Eg at InterDigital Patents Corp, whose 5 employees last year signed >up AT&T, Motorola, OKI, Northern Telecom, Siemens and others to pay them $100 >million in royalties on their digital cellular telephone patents, after a few >court battles. That's about a tenth of what they will eventually collect, the >way I figure it. > >I used to be their "Manager, Intellectual Property Rights." And your cut of the action was?.... The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:01:37 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James McCaig Subject: Re: POV or DXF viewer Comments: To: SEABRZN You may find what you need at this site: http://www.shareware.com/ At 06:10 PM 3/15/96 -0500, SEABRZN wrote: >Does anyone know where I can find a viewer that will run with my Windows >version 3.1?? Any help is much appreciated > Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 21:32:59 -0500 Reply-To: Shrsharkey Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Shrsharkey Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: U.S. PATENT PRINT Steve: I know what you're looking for: Thomas Zung did a limited series of prints (black on silver) of 3 of Bucky's inventions: geodesic dome, dymaxion car, and hang-it-all. Bucky signed the original so his signature appears on the print (but he did not sign each print individually). You can obtain the set of 3 prints for $100 from: Fuller, Sadao & Zung 13000 Shaker Blvd. Cleveland, OH 44115 (216) 752-3500 Shirley Sharkey ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 09:42:40 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "David F. Watkins" Subject: Re: syn-l: Spring Theory: Three Cornerstones In-Reply-To: On Fri, 15 Mar 1996, tom aagdii wrote: > > sorry, i have not mention that this was a quate from the last > chapter in cosmography. > > any way some one red the book and said that fuller did not write this > one. i was wondering if the book was a collaborted work. > the language of cosmograpohy is quite different from utopia or oblivion. > just quesion > Tagdi > Cosmography was written with Kiyoshi Kuromiya as adjuvant. In the begining of my edition there is a "Note From The Adjuvant". This exolains that the entire Cosmography manuscipt was found, with a note, on the top of his desk. In explaining the role of an adjuvant Kiyoshi writes: "...--that of a "helper" in transcribing and editorially refining for publication his ideas, words and extemporaneous "thinking out loud."" Dave Watkins ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:03:56 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Subject: The Subatomic Blues (fwd) G maj. pent. C maj. pent. D maj. pent. G major G minor pent. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + + X + + + + + X + O O O O X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X GX + X X X X X X + X GX X + + X X GO O O O O O X + X X X X + X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X O O O + + + + + + + + O O O X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X O + X CX + X X + X + + + X X O O O O O X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X DX + X X X X X + X X O O O O O + + + X + X + + O X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X O O By refering to the above diagrams you can see that overlapping the G major pentatonic, C major pentatonic, and D major pentatonic scales produces exactly the G major scale. This is analogous to the overlapping of Icosahedron, Pentagonal Dodecahedron, and Truncated Pentagonal Dodecahedron to create the Rhombic Triacontahedron. The structure of music is the same as the structure of the universe. In the Synergetic Atomic Model both proton and neutron are modeled with 3 overlaid substructures. These substructures can be used alone or in other combinations to accurately model other, smaller particles. This group of 6 basic structures can be ranked from lowest energy (Sum V) to highest energy: lowest - Vector Equilibrium Icosahedron Pentagonal Dodecahedron Duo Icosahedra/Tetrakaidecahedron Stellated Tetrakaidecahedron highest- Truncated Pentagonal Dodecahedron Interestingly, the lowest and highest energy particle models have identical vector lengths. This corresponds to the pentatonic scale of 1 - 5 tones and then an octave repeat with the sixth tone. Likewise, the strings on a guitar are set up with the 1st and 6th string both G's but two octaves apart. Continuing with this analogy of a series of six fundamental structural components in both music and particle physics; consider the slide note (+) that can be added to the pentatonic scale to create the "blues" scale. This falls between the icosahedron and the pentagonal dodecahedron, which are duals. The blues slide epitomizes the intertransformative relation between these two structures. These correlations are structural and fundamental. But I can't resist the temptation to have some fun pointing out that the most standard of blues chord progressions - E,A,B consists of the letter names of the quanta modules that the Synergetic Atomic Model uses to model the strong force and the electron. E Quanta = strong force model Isomatrix A & B quanta = electron model But, of course, that's just random chance. Or is it?:-) Sincerely, Steven Lee Combs Syncorswim, Inc. (Go V.U. Wildcats!) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:08:00 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steven L Combs Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Subject: e-mail posting I tried the command "set repro" with a blank subject to the listserv and it bounced back demanding a missing argument. Even without an email copy, I'm not seeing emailed posts to geodesic showing up on my newsreader. For example, has this list seen my Subatomic Blues post? I've mailed it twice to "GEODESIC@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU". ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 13:27:41 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Karl Erickson Subject: Re: e-mail posting & syn2 auction > I tried the command "set repro" with a blank subject to the listserv >and it bounced back demanding a missing argument. > Even without an email copy, I'm not seeing emailed posts to geodesic >showing up on my newsreader. For example, has this list seen my >Subatomic Blues post? I've mailed it twice to >"GEODESIC@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU". yes, we received both copies. i believe it takes awhile for the newsgroup to get the post, while the mailing list gets it quite quickly. if you are reading geodesic via the newsgroup, then you probably aren't subscribed to the mailing list at all. the 'repro' command is only useful if you are subscribed. the missing argument was probably the name of the list. listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu manages a number of mailing lists, of which geodesic is only one, so the command has to be 'set repro geodesic'. if you aren't subscribed, the command probably does nothing. if you read all or most of the posts to geodesic, and have free, efficient email, then subscribing to the list is definitely a better bet than getting it through a newsreader. if you don't mind the delay, however, the newsreader interface would be ideal for seeing the posts sorted into threads, for ease of filtering, etc. i just want to point out to everyone on this list that the above distinctions between the mailing list and the newsgroup mirror are probably the only significant difference between the two... but that they can be quite significant. a case in point is as concerns the auction for _synergetics 2_, which turned out to be something less than an auction, presumably as a result of newsreader delays. the auction was closed before gerald de jong even realized there was someone outbidding him. i mean no animosity toward the 'auctioneer' - making one of his copies of syn2 available in the first place is definitely a commendable act - but gerald has been active on this list and on synergetics-l for quite awhile (he is in fact the *most* active member of syn-l, with many important contributions there, most important being the 'struck' tensegrity modeling program), and has been wanting a copy of syn2 the entire time. as he lives in the netherlands, it would be more difficult for him to procure a copy than for someone in the u.s. he has thusfar only been able to use a copy borrowed from tagdi. in the interests of his pursuit, and because i procured my own copy of syn2 over the net, does anyone else have a copy they'd be willing to sell to gerald? does anyone know if those antiquarian booksearch systems can be accessed through the net? does anyone have any other fuller books they'd be interested in selling? (there's a few i'm looking for still..) -k. erixon - setebos@wolfenet.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 17:24:46 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: Tick Talk Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199603161624.AA16705@xs1.xs4all.nl>; from "Gerald A. de Jong" at Mar 16, 96 5:24 pm Gerald A. de Jong writes: > Relativity teaches us that we cannot presume the existence of a > static frame of reference within which things move. Likewise, we > cannot presume a universal clock as "the fourth dimension" since > time is also only locally accountable. The best way to include time > is to use implicit sequence within the model itself, or in other > words, to employ iteration. Dealing with time in this manner > is especially useful in deflating many of the common illusions > of predictability within a model. Iteration implies, as time itself > does, an arrow or a direction, while many other models are strangely > symmetrical in time. In spring theory, time happens in discrete > steps; the clock actually ticks. > Gerald de Jong, gdj@xs4all.nl, http://www.xs4all.nl/~gdj Fuller defined a vector (spring?) as a certain amount of energy, going in a certain direction, for a certain amount of time (frequency). His is a geometry of vectors. A vector by definition already contains three elements. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 17:36:39 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: e-mail posting In-Reply-To: ; from "Steven L Combs" at Mar 16, 96 3:08 pm Steven L Combs writes: > I tried the command "set repro" with a blank subject to the listserv > and it bounced back demanding a missing argument. Try SET GEODESIC REPRO > Even without an email copy, I'm not seeing emailed posts to geodesic > showing up on my newsreader. For example, has this list seen my > Subatomic Blues post? I've mailed it twice to > "GEODESIC@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU". Yes. We got your Blues post twice I just double checked the commands reference card and I think we have to tell the computer which list we're referring to. I guess it is not smart enough to know. (It's possible to be signed up with more than one list on the same server.) My oversight. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 22:23:55 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "David F. Watkins" Subject: Re: e-mail posting In-Reply-To: On Sat, 16 Mar 1996, Steven L Combs wrote: > I tried the command "set repro" with a blank subject to the listserv > and it bounced back demanding a missing argument. > Even without an email copy, I'm not seeing emailed posts to geodesic > showing up on my newsreader. For example, has this list seen my > Subatomic Blues post? I've mailed it twice to > "GEODESIC@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU". > Steven, I recently made the change you are trying to make. Following is how I made the change, after several attempts that didn't work. The name of the list has to be included for the listserv to know where to make the change. SET geodesic REP This was sent to: listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu I have seen your Subatomic Blues post, twice I believe, although my initial thought the second time I saw it was that I had left it in my inbox after reading it. I saved it and one of these days will get it and the guitar out and think about it. Good Luck, Dave Watkins ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:38:20 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: no.email@SEE.MESSAGE.COM Organization: Easynet Ltd. Subject: Announcement: Global geographical data The Global Gazetteer is a file of over 750,000 place names throughout the world enriched with additional geographic and statistical data. It is believed to be one of the larget and most complete files of its type available, and unique in the way in which various data elements have been brought together. The Global Gazetteer is available in 3 main formats: As a dBase .DBF file, ASCII file (comma separated), PICK T-DUMP. Details from: ALLM Systems & Marketing http://www.knowledge.co.uk/xxx/geodata/ email: apritchard@cix.compulink.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 09:54:19 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: Tick Talk Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199603171545.AA13384@xs1.xs4all.nl>; from "Gerald A. de Jong" at Mar 17, 96 4:45 pm Gerald A. de Jong writes: > >Gerald A. de Jong writes: > >> The best way to include time > >> is to use implicit sequence within the model itself, or in other > >> words, to employ iteration. >Joe Moore wrote: > >Fuller defined a vector (spring?) as > >a certain amount of energy, > >going in a certain direction, > >for a certain amount of time (frequency). > >His is a geometry of vectors. A vector by definition already contains three > >elements. > can this be modelled on a computer? in other words, are there rules missing? > * under what conditions and how do these energy amounts interact? > * is time continuous or discrete/iterative? > * how do i build a model of this moving energy that my little son can toss > around? > spring theory is an attempt to unify Fuller's vector geometry with his > tensegrity > in a consistent and straightforward mathematical languge. the discipline of > requiring a computer model to work is key to analyzing the completeness of > the idea set. I think Gerald's Spring model successfully unites vectors and tensegrity into a brilliant computer program. Joe -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:06:11 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Bono Organization: HiLINE Internet Services, Inc. Subject: Re: POV or DXF viewer In article <4ictcd$l67@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, seabrzn@aol.com says... > >Does anyone know where I can find a viewer that will run with my Windows >version 3.1?? Any help is much appreciated Try Paint Shop Pro. It allows viewing of most graphics formats. POV is an ASCII format that is used with the Persistance of Vision Raytracing Package. You will have to render these files before they can be viewed. DXF can be manipulated by most 3D CAD packages. Paint Shop Pro will let you view DXF in one view only. Paint Shop Pro: http://www.jasc.com/ Persistance of Vision: http://www.pov.org/ Search for for CAD packages at http://www.shareware.com/ Rick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 15:20:49 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: Tick Talk Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199603171704.JAA17406@wolfe.net>; from "Karl Erickson" at Mar 17, 96 9:04 am According to Fuller, time = frequency; no frequency, no time. 0 frequency = 1 frequency = "primitive" = metaphysical. Frequency >1 = time >1 "tick" = physical. Time is implicit in frequency >1. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 00:13:47 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Re: Leaky domes? "The fact that this information about domes has to be gleaned from the dome manufactureres and really is not available from the teaching institutions is a sad commentary on our times. The most energy efficient, cost effective and safest home available today has to be relegated to the scrap heap of misinformation. I am surpreised that a published writer of Mr. Brand's standing would publish a document defiling the dome industry, and backing it up iwht information that was relevant twenty years ago. He is still angry about his failure and experience with a structure that was just in its infancy at that time. Comparing the dome of today with the dome that was available twenty years ago is not unlike comparing the first horseless carriages with today's automobile." Einar Thorsteinn Rejkjavik, Iceland in Dome Magazine, Winter 1995-96 ernie@wco.com wrote: >wbw@cnd.hp.com (Bill Walden) wrote: >>Gang, > >>Hi. I came across this on alt.consumer.house and wondered if >>anyone had run into this problem before: >>Stewart Brand, in the 1994 book _How Buildings Learn_, has some choice words >>about dome houses. Here's a snippet: > >>"Domes leaked, always. The angles between the facets could never be sealed >>successfully. If you gave up and tried to shingle the whole damn >I have lived in a dome that I built fifteen years ago, one that has >never leaked. -------------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 03:51:11 GMT Reply-To: salsbury@netcom.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Organization: Evolutionary Acceleration, Inc. Subject: Re: PAPERBOARD DOMES In-Reply-To: tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL's message of Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:55:09 CET In article <60918.tagdi@ruulch.let.ruu.nl> tagdi@RUULCH.LET.RUU.NL writes: ->Dan McEvers writes: ->> ->> In article <9603030820.aa16652@bbs.cruzio.com> you wrote: ->> : According to Bucky, the least expensive way of providing shelter is to ->> build ->> :domes out of cardboard using printing presses. Are there any paperboard ->> domes ->> : commercially available? ->> ->> Try to find the book, "Paper Houses" ->> .- ->I've got a reference to that book but I've never read it. I'm going to post ->my updated poopsheet about paperboard homes to the Geodesic list. If you can ->add to my paperboard bibliography, please do so. I think paperboard domes ->have great untapped potential! Indeed they do. We designed one about 4 years ago to use in Central America/Honduras. I'm currently looking at them for use in addressing homeless problems both in the US and abroad. I think they'll do especially well in the Central/South America and Africa, and also anywhere that a disaster may destroy lots of homes and quick replacements are needed. I'll be putting together a web page on this in the next few months. I'll post here when it's ready. - just a useless idea, imagine a g-dome that can be hydrolicaly - raised and clicked into position- using air presure some how. - tagdi I think Bucky designed something along these lines in the 50's. Anyone have references? I remember some sort of pneumatically deployed dome. No specific details, though. -- Pat _____________________________Think For Yourself______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury Web: http://seneca.sco.com/pat.html Mail with "send-file-info-please" in subject line to get my public-files list. ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:19:18 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dave Conant Organization: Alcatel Network Systems Subject: Dymaxion map .gif? What does a dymaxion map look like? Perhaps some one can post a small .gif example to this group, or if that's a no-no, to one of the *.binaries.misc groups. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:49:54 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Farley Subject: Dymaxion Letter to HUD and Response It appears that the U.S. government has taken progressive steps toward legitimating a mass-produced Housing Industry. This news, coupled with the renewed interest surrounding the publication of J. Baldwin's "BuckyWorks" and the rising sale of RVs in the U.S., encourages me in my belief that Fuller's vision might soon be a reality. Below is my written exchange with the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). The first is my letter to Secretary Cisneros; the following letter is HUD's reply. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Letter to Secretary of Housing and Urban Development re: Dymaxion Housing January 31, 1996 FROM: Patrick S. Farley TO: Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Henry G. Cisneros U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development 451 Seventh Street Southwest Washington, D.C. 20410 CC: Arthur Agnos, Secretary's Representative Pacific/Hawaii Region Mary Lou Crane, Secretary's Representative New England Region Edwin Eisendrath, Secretary's Representative Midwest Region Davey L. Gibson, Secretary's Representative Southeast/Carribean Region Anthony Hernandez, Secretary's Representative Rocky Mountain Region Karen A. Miller, Secretary's Representative Mid-Atlantic Region Joseph O'Hern, Secretary's Representative Great Plains Region Bob Santos, Secretary's Representative Northwest/Alaska Region Stephen R. Weatherford, Secretary's Representative Southwest Region SUBJECT: Mass produced housing Dear Mr. Secretary: I am a college graduate in my late twenties and a professional in the computer industry. I don't kid myself for a moment that I will ever be able to afford a home in my lifetime. It is conceivable, however, that within the next two years I may own a car and/or a computer; perhaps in the next five years I might have enough disposable income for a trip to the dentist, a check-up from a physician, or some similar extravagance. This forecast presumes that I'll still be employed five years from now, a presumption I'm not prepared to bet money on. I didn't write this letter to whine at you. I have a legitimate question that I want answered, and I feel that by prefacing my question with a description of my circumstances you might be dissuaded from responding with a "form letter." All my previous letters to the government have been answered by rubber-stamp, and I would be delighted if this letter signaled a turnaround in that dismal trend. Speaking of dismal trends, consider these: * There are 3 million homeless people in America - the same number as in all of Europe. (source: Coalition for the Homeless, 1992) * The median home price, adjusted for inflation, has jumped 78 percent since the early 1960s, making ownership out of reach of many young families. (source: Forbes) * From 1981 to 1989, the number of American home-owners between the ages of 25 and 29 declined by 11 percent, while the number of renters in that same age group rose by 16 percent. (source: "Housing in America", U.S. Dept of Commerce, 1992) * Among Americans aged 25 to 29, the number of homeowners declined by 11 percent from 1981 to 1989, while the number of renters rose by 16 percent. (source: Housing in America Report) * The average 30-year-old home-owner in the 1950s could make the monthly mortgage payment using 14 percent of his income. Today it would take 40 percent. (source: Frank Levy) You have to understand that the current housing crisis is part of a larger malaise in America. You need to understand how demoralizing it is to be young in this country today. Where's the incentive to work hard when you know that, no matter how hard you work, or how smart you may be, the banks and government will still allow you to only barely scrape by? When my friends and I look to the future, all we see are great, smoggy leviathans looming on the horizon -- financial and political institutions, waiting with reptilian patience to suck our blood for the rest of our lives' journeys. These leviathans set the rules of the game, and make it abundantly clear that opposing them is useless. We're being asked nicely to march into the mouth of Moloch; is it any wonder we're dragging our feet? Perhaps we shouldn't feel this way; I am simply reporting how we do feel. Do I have a right to be cynical? Your answer to the following question will determine that: Tell me, Mr. Secretary -- why should I have to toil and pay off a bank for the right to live under a roof, when I know that options for cheap, mass-produced housing have existed for over half a century? As an example of mass-produced housing, I present to you the ingenious "Dymaxion House," invented by the famous American engineer R. Buckminster Fuller. In 1927, Fuller decided that conventional modes of residential architecture were outmoded. Architectural design had not significantly advanced since the European Dark Ages. Houses were built as stationary boxes, secured to centralized plumbing and electricity grids, their occupants crushed under lifelong mortgages. Fuller sought to create a house that was in all ways superior to the standard "brick box." He designed the Dymaxion House in 1927. Its features include: * Mass-ProducibiIty: The Dymaxion House is manufactured, like an automobile or airplane, in a state-of-the-art factory, quickly and inexpensively. Fuller compared the current method of building houses to "a team of Chrysler engineers and assembly workers spending six months in your garage to build you a new car." * Affordability: The Dymaxion Single Family Dwelling could be rented or bought to own at a price comparable to a luxury car. * Mobility: The Dymaxion House can be air-delivered, by helicopter or dirigible, anywhere around the world. All plumbing, electrical and phone wiring is factory installed. If need be, the house can supply its own battery or solar power and contain its own water reservoir; no plugging into municipal grids is required. When disassembled, the individual component pieces of the Dymaxion House weigh no more than fifty pounds each, allowing a single individual to erect their own home. * Modularity: The Dymaxion House can be deployed remotely, in the wilderness, or constellations of them can plug into each other to form communities. * Efficiency: The Dymaxion House is fully automated and self-cleaning. Its appliances are installed in the factory on a build-to-order basis. The purpose of the house is to relieve its occupants of drudgery. * Comfort: The interior of the house can easily be configured to the occupant's taste. As many or as few rooms as are desired can be created immediately by readjustment of the radial walls. In 1946, Beech Aircraft Company and General Electric had bid to produce 20,000 Dymaxion Houses per year. Although 36,000 orders were placed for the house almost immediately, production was cancelled for several reasons. First, no distributing industry at that time existed. Second, no building codes anywhere in the U.S. would allow the alien design to be erected. Third, the national plumbers' and electricians' unions said they would not hook up the Fuller houses to municipal power grids and water utilities unless they were paid to tear apart the factory-installed wiring and plumbing and put it back together again. Bank support dropped out from the Fuller house production. Only one Dymaxion House prototype was created, and is still inhabited by its owner in Wichita, Kansas. Today, there are small businesses in America who market handcrafted, low-tech variations on this theme -- you can find many of them referenced in the Whole Earth Catalog -- but their impact is so small as to be absurd. It's much like expecting the personal computer business to be run as a cottage industry. Mass-produced housing needs the brains and muscle of big industry behind it. Companies such as Boeing and Ford should be leading the design and sale of these houses; the industry today, such as it exists, is maintained by a smattering of old hippies. [note: the word "hippie" is not meant pejoratively :) ] Is mass-produced housing a fantastic, unworkable idea? That's what I'd like to know. My intuition says it's not, and I've spoken with many people who agree with me. The idea of mass-produced housing is gaining a great deal of currency on the Internet right now, and as more people discuss it, so too do more people angrily believe that the government has been ignoring this option deliberately under pressure from banks and real estate lobbyists. Such accusations may be with or without foundation (no pun intended) but if the general standard of living in America continues to decrease, it doesn't do any of us any good to allow such sentiments to fester. It would certainly help your image -- and restore a certain measure of confidence in some young Americans -- if you could address the idea publically. Your response to this letter (or failure to respond, should that be the unhappy case) will be posted via the Internet to several dozen newsgroups as well as on my own and several friends' World Wide Web homepages. I and many others are eagerly awaiting your reply. With hope, Patrick Sean Farley Santa Cruz, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------ March 5, 1996 Dear Mr. Farley, Thank you for your letter of January 31, 1996, to Secretary Cisneros concerning factory-built housing and the Dymaxion House designed by R. Buckminster Fuller. The Department agrees with you that it is important for young people to be able to afford a home. For this reason, President Clinton and the Department have developed plans to boost homeownership to an all time high by the end of this century. Over 55 housing organizations including builders, State and local government, non-profit agencies and others, have joined together to pursue specific action items to increase homeownership. We have enclosed a copy of the National Homeownership Strategy Report. A summary of the Action Items is also available on the United Homeowners World Wide Web Site. There are several Action Items that relate to stimulating technological innovation in homebuilding. This will include an affordable housing technology program to use innovative construction methods and designs to build affordable and energy efficient homes Furthermore, HUD already has a program to encourage the use of new and innovative materials in housing. HUD's Technical Suitability of Products Program can approve the use of materials or even whole structures that are not covered by the model building codes, consensus standards or HUD's Minimum Property Standards. HUD's acceptance of these products and structures allows firms to be able to market innovative products sooner. The Department has approved several domed structures for use in FHA mortgage programs. An example is Shop Prefabricated Triangular, Stressed Skin Plywood Panels for Dome Structures (please see the enclosed Structural Engineering Bulletin No. 1046 Rev. 2) . You may wish to contact Synapse Domes/Brasel & Sims Construction Company Inc. , or other builders for more information about these types of structures. The American housing industry is market-driven and where consumer taste or preferences change, builders will adjust their products to meet that demand. Accordingly, if there is a large demand for domed or other innovative designs, builders will begin to produce these types of houses. Through initiatives such as the National Homeownership Strategy, HUD is pursuing concerted actions to boost homeownership. If you will like any additional information, please contact Philip W. Schulte at (202) 755-7420 or by e-mail at Philip_W_Schulte@hud.gov. ENCLOSURES: Structural Engineering Bulletin no. 1046: Gives info on the following manufacturer: Synapse Domes / Brasel & Sims Construction Co., Inc. P.O. Box 554 Lander, WY 82520 National Homeownership Strategy: Partners in the American Dream (hundred page booklet). ------------------------------------------------------------------ The next step, as I see it, is to write letters to the major aerospace and RV manufacturers in the U.S. urging the production of Dymaxion housing. I'll post those letters (and their responses) over the following weeks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Patrick Sean Farley~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .... prime8@resort.com..... .... patrick@ca.cks.com..... http://www.resort.com/~prime8 http://gate.cks.com/~patrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:03:02 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Books Comments: To: Michael Rader In-Reply-To: ; from "Michael Rader" at Mar 18, 96 12:07 pm Michael Rader writes: > Were you the poster of a Web URL a few months back on > bit.listserv.geodesic that had listed the out-of-print Cathedralite > dome plans book for sale? If you did, do you still happen to have the > URL?? > e-mail: mrader@afit.af.mil Tel: (513) 255-7777 ext. 3383 > Computer Specialist / PC Administrator > Air Force Institute of Technology, W.P.A.F.B, Dayton, OH Don't think so. I mentioned that the Univ of California (Berkeley) library had a book called _Floor Plans: Architectural Interiors for Geodesic Domes_ by staff of Timberline Domes (1993). I also mentioned that an online bookstore called AMAZON.COM had a book for sale called _Dome Scrap Book_ by George P. Swanson (1981) $15.26. Their URL is: http://www.Amazon.com They have quite a few books by and about Fuller. Search under BUCKMINSTER or GEODESIC. Do a newsgroup search using the keyword CATHEDRALITE and see what pops up. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 20:21:26 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: gcp Organization: Taynet Subject: Re: A zero-fossil-fuel studio? nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote: >And when you mention "successful" direct gain solar mass walls do you mean >Trombe walls? >A few years ago, I spent some time explaining to a local architect, a more >technical person than most, who had taken a few engineering courses on the >way to architecting, that a "Trombe wall" with some dark-colored insulation >on the outside and an air gap between the insulation and glazing and some >to the inside of the house that opened up during the day was a lot more >efficient at collecting and keeping solar heat in the house than a plain old >"traditional" Trombe wall, with masonry right behind the glass, with no >insulation. An alternative method is to use transparent insulation material (TIM). This is a honeycomb structure of transparent polycarbonate, somewhat like drinking straws at right angles to the wall stuck together to form a slab, but stoppered to prevent air convection (sounds like polar bear fur!). There is no air flow - heat flow to interior is by conduction - and temperature control is by external blinds (to stop overheating on summer days and reduce losses at night). Construction goes: low-iron content glass/cavity with motorised blind/TIM/backing sheet of transparent polycarbonate/cavity (to minimise conduction, closed horizontally at intervals to minimise air circulation/dense wall with heat absorbing surface. This is a bit complex; however direct solar radiation is not necessary. It is indicated a well insulated house could have its entire space heating demand met by a 50m2 TIM wall. There were several papers presented on this at the 2nd European Conference on Architecture, 4-8 Dec '89, Paris. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 07:38:53 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Willem Oudyk Organization: Starway Subject: Re: Geodesic willem@ringwood.starway.net.au (Willem Oudyk) wrote: >Does anyone know if GEODESIC concepts are being utilised anywhere in >Melbourne Australia ? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 04:15:49 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Largest Prime Number?? Does anyone happen to know what the largest known (to date) prime number is? Or the largest that you know of? William William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 07:38:14 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Dymaxion map .gif? In-Reply-To: <4ik5um$2ar@news01.aud.alcatel.com>; from "Dave Conant" at Mar 18, 96 5:19 pm Dave Conant writes: > What does a dymaxion map look like? Perhaps some one can > post a small .gif example to this group, or if that's a no-no, > to one of the *.binaries.misc groups. Check out the following web sites: http://www.worldgame.org/~wgi http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html Under the "fair use" concept in copyright law, you may use any material for your own personal use. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 08:20:15 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: syn-l: Largest Prime Number?? (fwd) Comments: cc: wlauritzen@AOL.COM Forwarded to synergetics-l: >> >> Does anyone happen to know what the largest >> known (to date) prime number is? >> Or the largest that you know of? >> William >> >> William Gunther Lauritzen >> 809-D East Garfield >> Glendale, CA 91205 >> .- >> > > >-- > >JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > Liked your column in Dome Mr. Lauritzen. You question would be best asked on the sci.math newsgroup. Or search the web using an engine -- bet it'd be out there somewhere. Kirby -------------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:50:35 -0500 Reply-To: JFBECKETT Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: JFBECKETT Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Newcomers and Models? I'm sorry to say that after years of mild interest in the subject of Domes, and several months of prowling the newsgroup and web sites for information on building models for the purpose of general interst and education, I have found not one realistic example to work with. Am I missing something? It seems the only way to get involved in Domes on any level requires the purchase of plans, more books, further education in higher math and a healthy check book balance. I am confused by the math and not interested in buying any more books via mail order that may or may not have the information I am looking for in their pages. I would like to find a set of plans, or some sort of intructions that would enable me to begin building models of domes. Wood, metal, composite materials, all would be fine. I just want to get started learning and getting some practical experience. Any help along these lines would be much appreciated. Perhaps I am just not diligant enough, or I've been looking in the wrong places. But I consistantly see posts wailing about how Domes aren't widely understood or accepted and how they should be because of their superiority to traditional building techniques. I can only assume that if I, a person who has tried to obtain valid information and understandable examples of the form in vain, how will those that are merely casual observers ever be swayed? Thanks in advance for your consideration. I hope to hear from someone in this regard. Jamie Beckett ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:31:30 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Newcomers and Models? Comments: To: jfbeckett@AOL.COM In-Reply-To: <4imvls$rte@newsbf02.news.aol.com>; from "JFBECKETT" at Mar 19, 96 1:50 pm JFBECKETT writes: > I would like to find a set of plans, or some sort of intructions that > would enable me to begin building models of domes. Wood, metal, composite > materials, all would be fine. I just want to get started learning and > getting some practical experience. Any help along these lines would be > much appreciated. > Jamie Beckett Some of the info you are looking for is in the Bucky FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf/fuller-faq.html Also, take a look at the following sites: http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html All the good books about dome geometry are out of print. A good book about dome geometry hasn't been published in the last 10 years! There were some good magazine articles about how to build domes (Popular Science comes to mind), but it would take some digging to find those references. I used to make models out of straws and masking tape. I would even "borrow" different colored ones from bars, etc, until I discovered the restaurant supply stores. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:20:42 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Newcomers and Models? Comments: To: jfbeckett@AOL.COM In-Reply-To: <4imvls$rte@newsbf02.news.aol.com>; from "JFBECKETT" at Mar 19, 96 1:50 pm MAGAZINE ARTICLES ABOUT HOW TO DO GEODESIC DOME CALCULATIONS Compiled by Joe S. Moore, March 20, 1996 "Calculate a Geodesic Dome" by Peter Bendevski unknown, 02-01-66, page 97. "Where Domes Come From" by John Prenis Mother Earth News, 12-20-71, pages 74-8. "Finding Chord Factors of Geodesic Domes" by Fred Blaisdell & A.Indelicato Mathematics Teacher, 02-01-77, pages 117-24. "Student Projects in Geometry" by Andrew Zucker Mathematics Teacher, 10-01-77, pages 567-70. "Marshmallows, Toothpicks & Geodesic Domes" by M. Stoessel Wahl Arithmetic Teacher, 12-01-77, pages 39-42. "Geodesic Domes in the Classroom" by Charles Lung Mathematics Teacher, 10-01-78, pages 578-81. "Calculate a Geodesic Dome" by Peter Bendevski, Theatre Crafts (Int'l), 02-01-86, page 97. Other how-to articles: "Building the Fun Dome" by Rosario Capotoste, 8-1-72, Popular Science, 130-1 "Free-for-the-Asking Cartons Cut into Triangles Make a Play Dome" by staff, 1-1-73, Sunset, pp 52-3. If your local library doesn't have the above back issues, use their Interlibrary Loan Service to get phhotocopies. _Mathematics Teacher_ magazine is published by the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics 1906 Association Drive Reston, VA 22091 USA. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:31:17 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Domes (fwd) Wayne D. Nelson writes: > From guardian.holonet.net!habitat.org!wayne_d._nelson Wed Mar 20 08:06:07 1996 > Subject: Domes > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 11:06:15 EST > Message-ID: <0019E08F.fc@habitat.org> > X-FirstClass: 0x59F8 0x0019E08F 0x000F44B6 0x000F44B6 0x0000 > From: "Wayne D. Nelson" > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Organization: Habitat for Humanity International > X-HoloGate: 1.1.6c > Lines: 13 > > Joe, > I checked with our Asia Pacific area director He thinks the information you saw > must be from United Nations Habitat rather than from our work Habitat for > Humanity International. We don't know of any of our affiliates that have done > ferocement in India. > If you still have it we would appreciate a copy of the artical for our files. > Maybe we will be able to do some in the future. > > Wayne Nelson Assistant Director Appropriate Technology > 121 Habitat st. > Americus GA 31709 > correct address follows > Wayne_D._Nelson@habitat.org > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 12:07:39 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: U BUFFALO ARTICLE Comments: To: Wayne_D._Nelson@habitat.org UNIVERSITY OF BUFFALO NEWSPAPER ARTICLE RE FERROCEMENT DOMES IN INDIA http://wings.buffalo.edu/publications/reporter/vol25/vol25n12/9a.txt QUOTE: Reporter Volume 25, No.12 November 18, 1993 BY ELLEN GOLDBAUM News Bureau Staff Residents of some remote villages in India may soon be trading in their thatched huts for geodesic domes. In an effort to minimize the loss of life that occurs from monsoons and natural disasters such as earthquakes, a UB student group and leaders of a grass-roots movement in India are using Buckminster Fuller's ideas to develop a cheap, modular home suitable for severe climates. With construction costs of about $150, the new homes are providing villagers more than just affordable, sturdy shelter. The dome shape and cement construction also will provide protection from sun and rain, as well as give residents a new sense of permanence. So far, five new homes based on this design have been constructed in villages surrounding Vishakhaptnam, a city in southeastern India, midway between Madras and Calcutta. "As the recent Indian earthquake showed, the problem with housing in many parts of the country is that villagers use the cheapest materials they can find to build shelters," said Alok Baveja, a lecturer in the UB Department of Industrial Engineering and president of Gurukul, a UB group that contributes money and technical assistance to promote literacy and better economic conditions in rural India. According to the Sri Vidya Trust, an Indian community development organization affiliated with Gurukul, the problem of providing adequate housing for the country's population of 900 million has become severe, necessitating a fast and cheap method for building permanent housing. "Earthquakes and other natural disasters serve as tragic reminders of the absence of proper housing in India and other Third-World countries," said Baveja. To build their homes, Indian villagers typically use stones connected with very weak binding material, or mud and dried palm fronds to make thatched huts. These homes often do not last through violent storms or monsoons. In an earthquake, the walls of stone houses come crashing down, causing injury and sometimes death, Baveja said. "With this new type of construction, we've tried to address that," he added. Designed to be constructed by the villagers themselves, the domed house can be built in four days. The key to its safety is its domed shape. "To build earthquake-resistant structures, you try to make the building symmetrical around its own center of gravity," said Don McKenna, a Rochester, N.Y., architect and a member of Gurukul, who will travel to India this winter to help build some of the homes. "The footprint of the dome in the ground is absolutely symmetrical, so it's structurally very efficient. Earthquake and wind loads are distributed through the structure and taken safely to the ground." To make construction economically feasible in a region where families typically make about $300 a year, the original geodesic design, as conceived by Buckminster Fuller, had to be modified. In the new design, a cement mortar is mixed with locally available gravel materials and industrial wastes, then pasted onto steel mesh attached to a temporary framework of geodesic triangles. Once the mortar sets, the triangle framework is removed, leaving a shell of ferro-concrete, a homogeneous mixture of concrete and steel. "Ferro-concrete has long been recognized for its economy of material and excellent strength-to-weight ratio," said McKenna. He added that because of their shape, these houses also will be somewhat cooler in the summer than traditional designs, and will better deflect wind and rain. In addition to providing permanent housing for villagers, the new geodesic homes are expected to have another, less tangible effect on people who live in them. "Because their current homes need to be rebuilt almost every 7-10 months, people cannot think beyond that period," said Baveja. "We want them to begin to think ahead and to establish strong roots in their villages. "In the long run, the cost is justified, but right now, the villagers don't have the capital," said Baveja. Gurukul is teaming up with UB's campus chapter of Habitat for Humanity to raise money for building the new homes in India and for continuing Habitat's work in Western New York. In addition, Gurukul distributes to interested students and staff members at UB yogurt containers into which they are instructed to deposit one dime per day. Money collected at the end of each month is sent to the Sri Vidya Trust in India, which then allocates funds for development projects. UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 14:29:26 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Domes (fwd) Wayne D. Nelson writes: > From guardian.holonet.net!habitat.org!wayne_d._nelson Wed Mar 20 14:23:14 1996 > Subject: Re: Domes > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 96 17:37:36 EST > Message-ID: <001A0843.fc@habitat.org> > X-FirstClass: 0x59F8 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x000F44B6 0x0000 > From: "Wayne D. Nelson" > To: Joe Moore > Organization: Habitat for Humanity International > X-HoloGate: 1.1.6c > Lines: 18 > > Thanks for the artical we are checking with the campus chapter on that. it > appears that the orginization that is doing the domes is seperate from habotat > but the campus chapter is helping to fund raise for them. Maybe in the future we > will be able to send people from the national office for training. Lauri Baker > is an archetect in India that has writen a booklet on how to reinforce the > traditionaly built houses to resist earth quakes using local materials. He also > does many other low cost construction methods. Just for your web information > Habitat for Humanity internationsl got started about 6 miles from here st > Kononia Farm a Christian community sharing all in common as the first > Christians did stortly after Jesus Christ death and resurection. 20 years ago > the price of fero cement was cheeper than wood frame so resident engineer Don > Mosley did some fero cement houses several with two arches crossing in the > center, one two story arch and a dome. the arches were built over form work and > concrete viberated into place with a trowl attached to a eletric sander. all are > still in use. a couple other buildings were done with slab walls lifted in to > place aftrer being poured on the floor slab. Don says the trick si to keep the > water to a minimum so that the final strength will be high. It is pleanty of > work to place the dry mix but he felt worth the effort. > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 22:16:08 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Subject: An interesting article about geodesic networking and the future... This one was passed to me, and I thought people here might like to read it. It has some excellent points about the future of industry, jobs, and the Net. Enjoy! Pat Please note. The article wasn't written by me, the attributions are at the bottom. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Salsbury SCO Voice: 408-427-7076 400 Encinal Street email: pats@sco.com Santa Cruz, CA 95060 http://seneca.sco.com/pat.html FAX: 408-458-0811 (snip snip) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- e$: Walking "Down" the Hierarchy; Reliability, Differentiation and the Emergence of Internet Syndicalism Practically my only rant these days is about how the exponential collapse of microprocessor prices has mutated our communication structures, and thus our social structures. This creates interpersonal and organizational networks which are, as George Gilder likes to say, "heterarchical", instead of hierarchical. The interesting thing is, if you look back in history, we didn't really have the ferociously large multilevel hierarchical organizations we've all come to know and love until communications technology started to accellerate, beginning with railroads, through telegraphy and telephony and ending with mass media like radio and television. The Catholic church in the middle ages, for instance, was only three levels deep. The Roman Empire, slaves and all, was never more than 4 or so. China, the possible exception to this, had quite fast communication. Post riders in long relays kept the country knit together very tightly. Genghis and Kublai Kahn's mongol horsemen, for instance, could get a message across most of Eurasia in less than a month. Cities, creatures of the invention of writing, could be more heirarchical than villages because comunications channels were short, lots of people didn't know each other intimately like they would in a village, and there had to be some way to "switch" all this information. Hierarchies are a good way to do this. The course of civilization (literally, the use of cities) has been, until now, a continuous trend towards larger and more integrated hierarchy. The industrial revolution threw coal, and then gasoline, ;-), on the fire of hierarchy. Our big modern hierarchies, like the Fortune 50 and the U.S. federal government, were built on increasingly faster communication, though all this information was still being switched by human beings. Nowadays, things are beginning to go the opposite way, walking back "down" the ladder of heierarchical evolution, because switches, especially switches of information, don't have to be people anymore. They are, for the most part, microprocessors. The first person to actually talk about this collapse of hierarchy as it pertains to the *telephone* network was Peter Huber, who called them "geodesic" networks, in honor of Buckminster Fuller's discovery of geodesic structures in nature, and Fuller's architectural designs based on those structures. In other words, the resulting public networks of today look just like Bucky's domes, if you were to "flatten" them into three dimensions. Huber's famous line for all this is "Nodes are now cheaper than lines". This cheapness of nodes creates an environment where smaller and more powerful microprocessors break information into smaller and more useful pieces. My favorite analogy has been to think of geodesic networks as information "surfactants", fractally breaking up blobs of information on the internet much the same way dish soap fractally breaks up grease blobs floating in the sink. Oddly enough, all of this comes to mind because my ISP, The Internet Access Company (TIAC), of Boston, is having growing pains again, and I had lots o Boston, is having growing pains again, and I had lots of time to kill recently while they fixed the new RAID on their mail server. In my stranger moments, it seems to me this company, which has done so much to create this process of dissolving hierarchy, is in the process of being surfacted itself. The paradox is, by surfacting into more functional units, TIAC could make much more money for its shareholders someday, the same way that the breakup of AT&T inadvertantly enhanced the value of it's shares more than a decade ago. To do that, we have to talk about lots of things, not the least of which is how we're going to work in the geodesic markets created by these networks. People are starting to create geodesic businesses these days. Their "jobs" are being broke up into a series of independent projects, each creating an ad-hoc team of people to solve a problem. When the problem is solved, those people go their separate ways. Originally operating this way in corporate and academic structures, the internet has allowed people who work with their heads this way to effectively freelance in extra-corporate teams, to collaborate on something, then to collect their money, and to market themselves for another project. I work this way. Lots of people I know on the net work this way, and I expect that more people will work this way as time goes on. I'm almost convinced that the only reason we have "companies" as we now have them in the software business is because we need mechanisms to interface with the more industrio-hierarchical institutions in the rest of society. A form of financial and legal protocol conversion. At the turn of the last century, the two largest job categories were farmer and domestic worker. By the middle thirties, the largest job category was factory worker. These days only 2% of people farm, and less than 20% actually make things. The rest of us are "service" workers. "Service" is a category meaning "not manufacturing, and not farming". I believe that someday, we'll have .2% farmers and 2% manufacturing. Lots of the "service" jobs usually involve specialty retailing or "retail manufacturing" of some kind, in the sense that MacDonald's "manufactures" food, or a computer sign-maker franchisee manufactures signs. I think that with enough processors and bandwidth, the net surfacts many of those physical storefronts away, removing a significant amount of cost of doing business in the process. The signmaker doesn't need to buy expensive space in a mini-mall or on the interstate's business loop. You order the sign from her directly on the net, and she delivers, or more likely has it delivered, to you, though probably not by the aggro skatepunk Neal Stephenson showed us in _Snow_Crash_. While we're on the topic of delivery, Neal Stephenson, and his pizza-delivery king, Uncle Enzo, it could be that people working on the net at home might prefer delivered food, if it was as cheap as any other fast food. Also, as the ubiquity of processors make kitchens much smarter, they might just want ingredients delivered. Remember what's happened with microprocessor controlled home bread making machines lately. Maybe Mrs. Jetson's kitchen wasn't that far fetched after all. Shaw's supermarkets in Boston has reinstituted grocery delivery, for instance, with the World Wide Web as a front end. Shaw's service is still quite lumpy right now. The list of things you can buy in a grocery store is huge, and Shaw's insists on sending you their entire product list (measured in megabytes), so that you can choose what you want in a quasi offline fashion. It almost seems to me like grocery inventory "shovelware", where they've dumped their inventory architecture straight to microcomputers because the modern microcomputer is almost as powerful as the mainframes this code was written on originally, say 30 years ago. Nonetheless, this is nothing that bandwidth can't fix in the the long run, and I think ideas like this one are eventual Wall-Mart killers. Not to mention killers of large grocery chains like Shaw's. Wall-Mart and Shaw's are essentially a forward storage mechanism -- warehouses, in other words. While economies of scale are arehouses, in other words. While economies of scale are achieved this way, the net allows you to segment products by content, and not geographically, which is what Wall-Mart's forward storage model is built around. When you can search for products with agents which know what you want, buy them directly from the manufacturer, and have them shipped overnight or even delivered the same day, the need to store a diverse inventory, well, surfacts away. Things become more price competitive, and, at the same time, more customised, which, while seeming like a paradox, are both a result of collapsing processor and bandwidth prices. It's an old story in markets everywhere, a market becomes price competitive, forcing people to differentiate or die. On the net, this can happen much faster, because you are directly linked to your buyers. Geography and time are not nearly the factors they are in phyiscal retailing. As soon you write something like an article or software, you put it on your web-server and it can be sold. The almost weekly addition of features to Netscape beta versions last year is a good example. You could almost see "traditional" geographic-distribution software developers, like Microsoft, shaking their heads in dismay. What all this breeds is differentiation by function. This will not be limited to software and wetware. It's easy to see where this could happen with hardware as well. If you design something new, you can ship a prototype, or more to the point, email the design files, to a manufacturer with a drop-ship arrangement, put a discription of it on your web-page, and post an announcement where people are looking for it. It's possible to imagine a "syndicate" of manufacturers for any given product, people who have manufacturing facilities closest to the particular consumer making the order. Certainly it's possible to imagine numerical machine controls evolving to the point where manufacture is a mostly commoditized function, in the same way that agricultural produce is. That requires, of course, an economic demand, and frankly, Alvin Toffler's "mass-customization", the idea of the general-purpose robotics shop doing manufacturing piecework next door ala Japan Robot Lease Inc., failed, because information was still centralized in manufacturing firms. All the demand for production capacity came from one place, the company marketing the final product. The direct, geodesic connection between buyers and sellers on the net surfacts that information away from a manufacturing hierarchy, and thus resuscitates Toffler's mass-customization idea. With this kind of manufacturing syndicate model, an auction market for the production of various manufactured products is created in your geographic area. Raw materials are bought geodesically and shipped as close as possible to the consumer. Materials and people converge on local equipment to manufacture products as needed. When a product is hot, batch runs are possible, but it's possible to see production happening in smaller and smaller lots, eventually one at a time. When looked at through the lens of the geodesic network, it's possible to see that the whole idea of just-in-time manufacturing was the beginning of what may be called, well, geodesic manufacturing. As manufacturing gets geodesic, "jobs" become scarcer, and one-shot "projects" increase, just like in the wetware and software businesses. However, overall, fewer people make things for a living over time. The paradox about this is that those people probably won't be fired, so much as attracted away, by software and wetware businesses. This is pretty much the same way that manufacturing attracted people off an increasingly mechanized farm with higher paying manufacturing jobs in urban areas. Since quality of life becomes more of an issue, people start to move farther and farther from urban areas, the means of production will probably follow them, and transportation will follow manufacturing. For instance, cars are a rudimentary geodesic transport mechanism. Suburbs and edge cities are a rudimentary creation of that form of transport. With the net allowing more people to work where they want to, just because they want to live there, demand is created for more and more geodesic forms of transportation, transportation where the "switches" aren't people: autonomous vehicles. Already there are several autonomous-vehicle microrail proposals in the works, and one is under development in a Chicago suburb, a pilot project of the RTA and Raytheon. If location-transponding chips were cheap enough to imbed in roadways themselves someday, putting electricity there as a source of power for locomotion wouldn't be far behind, and the result would be roads full of autonomous vehicles moving people where they want to go, and goods where they're needed. Multimode hybrids with more traditional forms of road, rail, and air transportation are certainly probable, much the same way that container ships and piggy-back railroad cars interoperate with trucks today. Give up? What does this have to do with my beleagured internet service provider, TIAC? Well, in a word, reliability, which is why I'm sitting here waiting for their mail server to come back up. In two years, the ISP market has gone from a market where private ISPs had to offer everything, because nothing was there, to where the traffic on all of their services is so high that they can't do it all anymore. In the same time, demand for reliability has skyrocketed, because a whole lot of people are starting to use the internet for geodesic businesses, like mine. I get about 300-500 mail messages a day, and I distill them down to about 30 or 40 or so, to be sent back out to my e$pam subscribers. In addition, I have consulting projects where I may be working in a team with 4 other people, like the one I'm working on, and I generate the occasional article, or rant, like this one. Fortunately, if TIAC's mailserver is up once a day, I'm golden. However, when things are hopping, like when the President of Netscape forgot to wear his asbestos Y-fronts and said he thought GAK (Government Access to Keys) wasn't that bad an idea, events require a little more than one perusal daily. I expect that it's going to get more like that in the future. This happened with cars, by the way. Cars started out as toys that mechanics built for fun, then toys that mechanics built for rich people, then toys for the rest of us, then useful tools that everyone should know how to use, and finally cars became so necessary to everyday life for so many people that they don't require tune-ups but every 100,000 miles or so, and it takes a specialized technician just to change the oil. Notice that we're just passing the "toys for the rest of us" phase of the internet, and rapidly moving into the "useful tools" phase. Not wanting to beat the analogy like a dead muscle-car, but did you notice that cars became utter necessities just after interstate highways were built? In the same vein, it's only really been 10 years or so since we realized how really useful a thing the internet is, much like the way we discovered the usefulness of paved roads in the 1920's. Things are happening much faster on the internet, but we're still just barely in the "Route 66" phase of the internet. So, it's still pretty early to tell, but, contrary to the current popular consensus, I don't believe that passive, extremely asymetric applications of bandwidth, like video-on-demand, will be the "interstate" builder everyone thinks it's going to be. I think it will be something more important than that. Money. As Dan Eldridge of Digicash says, "It all boils to money on the wire." When I can hire you, and pay you for the work you do for me, even in cash, no matter where you are, and you never have to go anywhere to do the work, including never having to leave your home to collect your pay, or even to spend it with anyone else, that's a strong decentralizing economic influence. People can live anywhere they want to. Resources they need to live will follow them wherever they go. If you want to live on the North Fork of the Flathead River in Montana, or on St. John in the Virgin Islands, or on a circumnavigating trimaran, or even in the small african village you were born in, the work will follow you there. So will the necessary telecommunications, water, waste disposal, transport, and everything else you need to live there. All of this implies an absolute reliability in the network, and, as network people know, reliability is redundancy. Two packets in the same message don't necessarily take the same path. The route depends on the network's load. Lots of little vendors of the same kind of service, sharing resources in demand-based syndicates, may be better than one giant server-in-the-sky. A single node can't switch all the available bandwidth. It chokes. At first blush, this doesn't bode well for growing centrally-organized service providers of internet services, especially small ISPs like TIAC. I say small in TIAC's case, because even though they've got just shy of 15,000 subscribers, not bad for two years work, they're gnats to the likes of AT&T, which just entered the ISP market this week. Still, I think that TIAC's in much better shape than AT&T. One of the strange things I heard the C|Net guy say on Leherer's PBS NewsHour was something to the effect that since AT&T was going to be where you get your mail, say, rah@att.net, and that would lock you into buying your long distance service, much less your internet access, from AT&T. I don't think so. Remember our amazing surfacting geodesic network, folks. First of all, my inbound and outbound mail servers can be anywhere. They can even be at TIAC, for that matter. Same with my web-server, which in my case is a borrowed machine on borrowed bandwidth on the other side of the country from me. News, domain names, everything you need to work on the net can be gotten from the most efficient, reliable competitor in what amounts to a global auction market. At first blush this looks like a large but specialized commodity market. Of course, we know that it's not a commodity market. This is the segment-or-die internet, right? We just don't know what the next level of functional segmentation is going to be, even if the current level is plain as the nose on our faces. So, looking in the mirror, as it were, the first thing TIAC should do, with a monster like AT&T jumping into their business, even if their business is growing so fast that nobody can keep up with demand, may be not be for TIAC to grow at all, but to break up into smaller pieces. Or maybe at least break up their product line. Currently, TIAC differentiates their service, for the most part, by the number of bits you hold an option to, in some fixed combination of the bandwidth of your connection, or the time you spend online. It seems to me that if they offered an ala carte menu of mail, news, web and domain name service, that they could then turn around and market that to the *whole* net, not just the customers showing up on their portmasters. They could more easily price these services according to the demand, and thus meet the demand for those services reliably. It may even be that someday, TIAC wouldn't be in the connectivity business at all, and leave that for the AT&Ts, Bell Atlantic/TCIs, or USWest/Continental CableVisions of the world. Heck, maybe internet dialtone will be so cheap that small local utilities would handle it, and the big players won't be able to compete. Besides, digital dialtone may not be a business TIAC wants to be in, when there are better value points in more differentiated internet services. Just like I laugh when I see Citicorp saying it wants to control the digital bearer certificate business, I laugh when I see AT&T getting into the web- or mailserver business. Once you've differentiated your business on actual markets for services, rather than bits, it's easier to spin them off if they get profitable, or cut them off if they aren't. For some reason, all of this reminds me of a Francis Bacon quote on innovation: "He that will not apply new remedies must expect new evils; for time is the greatest innovator." In other words: In a geodesic market, you have to differentiate, very quickly, or die. 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See http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/ or e-mail rah@shipwright.com for details... ------------------------------------------------- (snip snip) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Salsbury SCO Voice: 408-427-7076 400 Encinal Street email: pats@sco.com Santa Cruz, CA 95060 http://seneca.sco.com/pat.html FAX: 408-458-0811 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:35:27 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: "Geodesic Networking"? Issue Boots To All Troops... Patrick Salsbury was nice enough to forward, but had nothing to do with the creation of the following: >Practically my only rant these days is about how the exponential collapse of >microprocessor prices has mutated our communication structures, and thus our >social structures. Funny how so many people think that the technology drives the social environment. This tale is a tail wagging the dog. If it were true, there would be no such thing as an "idea ahead of its time". Since this is a Buckminster Fuller oriented group, I don't need to point out the obvious example, do I? >This creates interpersonal and organizational networks which are, >as George Gilder likes to say, "heterarchical", instead of >hierarchical. Yawn... this sort of management-consultant doublespeak is just fog to cloud the reality. Interpersonal networks by nature are random. Current organizational networks are also mostly random, since the current merger/downsizing /spin-off/buy-out craze takes whatever structures worked for specific different groups, and tosses them all into the high-speed Waring Blender of "interim" organizations. Bottom line - absolute and utter chaos is the current "structure" for nearly every commerical "orgainzation" that exists today. Call it what you like - it is a mess. Calling it anything other than a mess shows either a lack of candor or a lack of leadership skills in the people who SHOULD be leading the way out of the mess. Calling it anything other than a mess means that there is no intention of even attempting to lead the way out of the mess, and may indicate a willingness to make things worse! >The interesting thing is, if you look back in history, we >didn't really have the ferociously large multilevel hierarchical >organizations we've all come to know and love until communications >technology started to accellerate, beginning with railroads, through >telegraphy and telephony and ending with mass media like radio and >television. >The Catholic church in the middle ages, for instance, was only >three levels deep. Huh? At the "home office" alone, the Catholics had a Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, and multiple levels of support staff since day one. Looks like more than 3 levels, even if one presumes that God did not show up for staff meetings in person. I have no idea how many levels it was down to the local priest, but it could not have been "3 levels". >The Roman Empire, slaves and all, was never more than 4 or so. Also simply not true! The Roman Empire was much more top heavy. The Israelites copied the Roman Legion model for their march from Egypt to the Promised Land: "...Leaders of thousands, leaders of hundreds, leaders of of fifties, and leaders of tens..." (Exodus 18:25 in the King James Version) If you count down from Moses, you find an "executive" layer before you even get the the "leaders of thousands", since it is well known that Moses had a staff - his staff was instrumental in parting the Red Sea, for example. (I couldn't resist that one!!) >Cities, creatures of the invention of writing... Now the author is re-writing history! [The old digital Weed-Wacker snipped the rest so that your brain will not attempt to sever your optic nerve to protect itself from such blather.] The author goes on, heaping speculation upon half-truth to arrive at the startling conclusion that "only the nimble will succeed", which has nothing to do with a "Geodesic Organization", and would be an obvious rule of thumb regardless of form or structure. My points about the INSULT TO BUCKY of using the term "Geodesic" to describe "utter organizational chaos" are as follows: 1) "Geodesic Organization" is a polite way of saying that the organization in question has no leadership, or that the leadership has stopped leading. Either way, it is a clear message to employees to forget any dreams about being promoted into management, which is no longer staffed by people who worked their way up, learning the business in the process, but by low-cost expendable MBAs, ink barely dry on their diplomas. 2) In a "Geodesic Organization", the reality is that one is forced to endure "structural socialism" in that it does not reward success, effort, or excellence. Everyone on "carpet row" at the ball-bearing company makes over $250,000 a year, and works on things like buying an ice-cream company or some such nonsense. The ball-bearing operation? It is left to its own devices, since management figured out that there will always be enough people who will put out the extra effort to keep the operation profitable, simply because they take pride in themselves and their work. 3) Leaders still exist. It is easy to tell one from the more common non-leader. Leaders lead! Leaders tell their people what the big picture looks like, and ask what he/she needs to do to help the workers make things happen. The use of the term "Geodesic Organization" is nothing but another management fad, which is a clear indicator of lack of leadership. Leaders see "management fads" as distractions, and do not suffer the fools who use such buzzwords gladly. 4) If you have ever been blessed by working for an actual LEADER, then you did not need to be handed buzz-words like "Empowerment", "Quality Teams", or "Geodesic". You were not only "empowered", you were all charged up by working for this person. You did not need a "Quality Team", since EVERYONE was part of "the team", and there was only ONE team - the entire group. You did not need to be shown some fancy new form of organizational chart, since you knew that the chart was utter BS - a LEADER encourages anyone at any level to drop in and tap-dance on his/her head about any issue of concern. 5) Buying into the con-game of a "Geodesic Organization" is a tacit agreement that everyone is some form of temp worker, and job security cannot be expected. This means that if you are an expert in the Ball Bearing business, and have contributed much to the success of the Ball Bearing company for which you work, you STILL can be pink-slipped without warning, since you are nothing but another replaceable part in a structure that has abandoned strategy, planning, and leadership for reaction, opportunism, and denial of accountability. I am of the personal opinion that leadership is a good thing, if in fact one is lead by a person with leadership SKILLS. The problem is, leadership is tough. One must stand up and take an actual STANCE on something, which the current gang in possession of corporate, political, and social power do not seem to have the guts to do. (Buncha whimps!) I saw all this crap comming in the 80s, which is why I no longer play the game. Not playing means I win. Your typical street gang has better leadership than today's crop of extras from Vidall Sasson commericals who have climbed to positions of power solely on the strength of management doublespeak stolen from the pages of the Harvard Business Review. Your typical street gang also dresses with more style and panache. Your typical street gang also shows more loyalty to its membership, and has a consistent (even though often warped) sense of ethics and values. Leadership cannot cure all ills, but at least it makes decisions, and makes sure that all can survive even a bad call. Even with good leadership, things can still go wrong. Remember Moses, from a few paragraphs back? If he had turned right going out of Egypt rather than left, the Israelites would have gotten all the oil, and the Arabs would have been stuck with the silly orange groves! Thus endth the lesson. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:32:03 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Largest Prime Found (I think) In case anyone is interested I have been notified that the largest prime known to date is: (2^859433)-1 William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 14:02:37 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Whole Earth Review Comments: cc: Synergetics List In-Reply-To: ; from "Helen W. St. Cyr" at Mar 21, 96 7:57 am Helen W. St. Cyr writes: > Hi, Joe, > The latest issue of WER (Spring 1996) has 12 pages on Bucky. One section > is on "Access to Fuller." The Audio access quotes you as follows: > > "Listening to Bucky is quite a different experience from reading his > books and articles. His enthusiasm is infectious, and his ideas seem to > come through by osmosis. It's like he weaves an invisible geodesic ball of > idea strings. --- Joe Moore" -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 18:40:13 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: WER-SPRING-96 Comments: cc: Synergetics List WHOLE EARTH REVIEW, SPRING 1996 (ISSUED 3-15-96) The latest issue of WHR has several items relevant to Fuller's work: On pages 6-16 an article by J. Baldwin entitled "The Garden of Eden: An Excerpt from J.Baldwin's _Bucky Works: Buckminster Fuller's Ideas for Today_" ($30; due out sometime in 4-96). There are some pictures never before published (to my knowledge) and a section on references, including Kirby Urner's web site. Page 18 mentions a Hoberman Sphere (three-way weave, expandable/collapsable, great circle geodesic dome; $50) and where to order it. Pages 22-7 talk about the lessons learned from Biosphere 2 (has domes and octet trusses). On page 52 and back cover are details for ordering the latest Ocean Floor Map poster ($40). Pages 72-3 have a review of a book that has instructions for making Bucky Ball models, and an item about creatures that reflect nature's geometry. And the index on page 122 indicates that the WER had an article about Fuller in the Winter 1995 issue on page 112 about ?. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 22:48:16 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "J. Michael Rowland" Subject: Re: Largest Prime Found (I think) >In case anyone is interested I >have been notified that the largest >prime known to date is: >(2^859433)-1 Just curious: has anyone ever seen a graphical representation of the set of prime numbers? Or would we have to solve this "What's the highest prime?" conondrum before we would be able to plot it? jmr J. Michael Rowland.................................rowley@telalink.net ===========------------------------------------------------=========== |||||||(((( ASCII Text - Your BEST Entertainment Value ))))||||||| ===========------------------------------------------------=========== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 08:25:19 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: some general principles of tension. (fwd) Joe Moore writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Fri Mar 22 08:23:22 1996 > Subject: Re: syn-l: some general principles of tension. > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 96 8:21:44 PST > From: Joe Moore > In-Reply-To: ; from "tom aagdii" at Mar 22, 96 12:13 pm > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] > Message-ID: <9603220821.aa26699@bbs.cruzio.com> > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > tom aagdii writes: > > an article in Leonardo latest issue by the editor talkes about fuller > > icosa as bridging science and the humanities. > > Could you give us some more details about the above article? What is the > title? What is the name of the author? What pages is it on? What is the > date of the magazine? Where is the magazine published? The name of the > magazine is _Leonardo_? Do you think the article is worth trying to get a > copy of? Etc, etc. > > > -- > > JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 > 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 > CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 07:34:26 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: A bang-bang house I've been thinking more about thermal storage for heating and cooling... For many years now, people like Steve Pitney have been building thermal storage tanks for off-peak electric heating out of plywood boxes lined with EPDM rubber, which costs about 28 cents/ft^2 and comes in rolls up to 20' wide and 100' long. It takes 2 or 3 people to lift a roll like that. 28' For a new house, we might have pppppp....................... one or two EPDM rubber-lined plywood gi i i . boxes in the basement, say 12' long by gi B i . 7' high x 2-4' thick, on top of some gi B i . railroad ties on 4' centers sitting on gi B i . grade. The plywood or OSB could go on gi B i . top of the ties, and the tanks would <- S gi B i . run east and west inside the south wall gi B i . of the basement, with an 8" air gap d d d <- glass doors . 32' underneath. There might be a single gi B i . cement block on grade in the center of -->gi B i<-- 4-8' . each 4' square to help support the plywood. gi B i . There would be a few small fans at the gi B i ssssssssssss . top to circulate air from south to north gi B i s septic s . over the top of the boxes, down from gi B i s tank s . the top of the box to the bottom on gi i i ssssssssssss . the north side, under the boxes, back ..................... up the south side between the south p p glazing and some insulation, and around p p again. The boxes might be framed by p duckweed p through-bolting a couple of vertical p or p 2x4s onto each end of each railroad tie, p reed bed p and screwing the plywood to those with p p a plywood nailer, with drywall screws, p p with a longitudinal 2x4 along each pppppppppppppppppppp inside corner at the bottom. The EPDM rubber would be in one big sheet, folded up like a Chinese takeout box, with no seams. The box would weigh 200-300 psf on the bottom, with less force on the sides. As an alternative, these two thermal masses in the basement might be some 2' diameter x 3' tall 55 gallon drums full of water stacked up 4 high, horizontally, to make two walls 3' thick and 12' long and 7.19' high, each containing 22 drums, each weighing about 10,000 pounds, with the drums resting on grade, and on each other in a hexagonal array, with a wood frame to contain them. This would be have more surface area than the plywood tank, and leaks would be less worrysome, and it could be easily dismantled... This solar closet might be a good place to put a clothesline or a hot tub or a small woodstove or some fin tube pipe near the ceiling to heat water in a conventional water heater on the floor above. (i is insulation above. B are the boxes. g is glazing. p is a shallow solar reflecting/wastewater treatment pool, ~ 1' deep x 16' wide x 64' long, divided in 4 16' x 16' sections, wrapped around the house. The pool would reflect about 60% of the sun onto the house with a layer of ice on top, and about 6% with no ice. The ice thickness would be controlled by the septic tank effluent temperature. The septic tank might be cooled by a carefully- designed DHW heat exchanger or some outside ventilation air.) The basement could get some nice light from the floor above... I'm just starting to look at cooling season Philadelphia TMY2 hourly weather data from Eric Swanson. I'd like to do a little passive cooling simulation, ventilating a house well at night to store coolth in its thermal mass, and reducing the ventilation during the warmer part of the day. Some interesting daily highs and lows in the cooling season here are: day high low 141 85 F 58 F In this Typical Meteorological Year, the hottest days 157 89 61 still have coolish nights, especially if one slides 176 90 72 a 2 or 3 day window over the data, consistent with 181 93 71 storing coolth somewhere in the structure. I think 188 91 72 this is now done in commercial buildings, eg in 190 92 75 elevator shafts, but they probably chill the air 210 90 74 mechanically rather than just ventilating with cooler 226 93 73 night air. A good passive cooling system would clamp 254 86 66 daytime house temps to the night lows, for starters. If the solar closet is divided in two halves, say on either side of a walk-out basement, it seems to me that a house above could have excellent temperature control, even if it had little thermal mass. One half of the closet could store coolth and the other store heat over multiple days in the spring and fall, in which case there would be a cool source and a warm source available to drive the house temp actively in either direction, as in Norman Saunders houses, vs typical solar houses which have at most one driver. Norman says a well-designed house is as likely to need cooling as heating on any particular day, even in wintertime... Another option is ground-coupled cooling using the basement floor, with a vapor barrier underneath, and a small dehumidifier near a floor drain. Air movement might come from the stack effect and/or using the sunspace as a solar chimney. Another option is to use reflecting pond water for cooling, eg with a fan-coil unit or duct heat exchanger or interior fountain. This data is for a typical year, a mild year, with no temperatures over 100 or less than 0. We hope to get 30 year's worth of hourly data off the NOAA/ NREL Samson CD-ROM soon. Meanwhile, we have these 8760 lines of data to start with :-) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:53:38 -0800 X-To: nick@ece.vill.edu (Nick Pine) From: eswanson@atlcom.net (R. Eric Swanson) Subject: RE: TMY2 Data for Philadelphia TMY2 Solar Data for Philadelphia, months 1-12 ********************************************* 1st col = Day of year, 1-365 2nd col = Hour of day 3rd col = Global horizontal radiation during preceeding hour, Whr/m2 4th col = Direct normal radiation during preceeding hour, Whr/m2 5th col = Diffuse horizontal radiation during preceeding hour, Whr/m2 6th col = Temperature, deg F 7th col = Dew point Temperature, deg F 8th col = Relative Humidity, % ****************************************************** 1 1 0 0 0 34 31 88 1 2 0 0 0 34 31 89 1 3 0 0 0 34 29 82 1 4 0 0 0 32 20 61 1 5 0 0 0 28 16 60 1 6 0 0 0 25 8 48 1 7 0 0 0 22 10 60 1 8 25 143 12 16 -1 46 1 9 131 588 31 14 -5 42 1 10 279 779 43 15 -5 40 1 11 264 258 161 15 -5 40 1 12 209 70 178 15 -4 42 1 13 345 408 161 17 -5 37 1 14 315 425 142 17 -3 41 1 15 203 335 97 16 -2 43 1 16 141 511 45 15 -4 42 1 17 32 171 17 12 -7 42 1 18 0 0 0 11 -8 41 1 19 0 0 0 11 -8 41 1 20 0 0 0 11 -6 46 1 21 0 0 0 11 -5 48 1 22 0 0 0 11 -4 50 1 23 0 0 0 12 -3 50 1 24 0 0 0 13 -1 53 2 1 0 0 0 14 1 56 2 2 0 0 0 16 1 51 2 3 0 0 0 16 2 53 2 4 0 0 0 17 2 51 2 5 0 0 0 17 2 51 2 6 0 0 0 17 2 51 2 7 0 0 0 17 2 51 2 8 19 67 13 17 3 54 2 9 119 450 42 19 4 51 2 10 259 659 60 21 4 47 2 11 270 245 172 24 6 46 2 12 183 71 151 23 5 45 2 13 253 140 190 25 7 46 2 14 364 647 100 27 4 37 2 15 281 686 62 27 5 38 2 16 139 493 45 26 3 37 2 17 29 110 19 25 3 38 2 18 0 0 0 24 4 42 2 19 0 0 0 21 4 47 2 20 0 0 0 21 4 47 2 21 0 0 0 21 4 47 2 22 0 0 0 21 4 47 2 23 0 0 0 20 4 49 2 24 0 0 0 19 4 51 3 1 0 0 0 19 4 52 3 2 0 0 0 19 5 54 ... Suppose this new house is built into the hill h to the north, with a shallow monopitched roof sloping up to the south, like this: (Connect the two "r" dots at the top r to make the roof.) gi rttttt . gi . it t h This house might need 50K Btu/day for gi . ittttt 20 days for additional summer cooling . s gi ..........i h beyond what is passively available on s gi i summer nights, ie 1 million Btu. ? 24' gi h i gi h i Suppose there is a plywood/EPDM tank t giii...........h.....i sitting on the ground as shown above, s giBi h i full of ice... . c giBi h i giBi h i pppppppppppppiii...h.............i The tank might be 8' wide x 16' long x 6' deep, built like the basement tanks, with pressure-treated 2 x 4's and exterior plywood and 4" of foam on the outside. This would give it a surface area of about 500 ft^2, so over 6 months it might lose about 180days*24hr*(62-32)*500 ft^2/R20 or 3.2 million Btu of the 8*16*6*62*144 = 6.8 millon Btu stored in the ice, leaving 3.6 million Btu available for cooling the house (so the tank could probably be smaller, eg 12' or 8' long), by letting some cool air flow down into the house, or using a chilled water loop. One might somehow tuck a root cellar in or near the north wall, and it would be a good place to put or make a refrigerator, and it could dehumidify the house. The box would also make a nice gravity-feed 6000 gallon rainwater supply. The roof might be covered with two pieces of EPDM rubber with a standing seam in the middle, with 9 1" PVC draindown pipes on 4' centers with holes in them running from north to south up the roof, to act as sprinklers in winter, to make ice and warm the roof when it's -10 F outside. On a cold cloudless night with no wind, the roof may be 10-20 F cooler than the outdoor air, because of radiation to the night sky. the A small submersible pump and a header at the bottom of the tank would move the water, which might supercool on the roof and drain back down the roof and the tank cover into the tank and freeze on the tank ice surface. The roof and tank would have about 1000 ft^2 of surface area, so at an average nightime outdoor temp of 22 F, freezing the tank would take roughly 6.8 million Btu/(32-22F)/1000 ft^2*R0.7 = 500 hours, ie 21 days. A 100 watt pump running 500 hours would use $5 worth of electricity per year. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 09:51:49 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SACRED GEOMETRY On Fri, 22 Mar 1996 Steven L Combs posted the following to the Synergetics list: >Subject: Re: syn-l: Springs / D. Winter / static models > Dan Winter is a former Bucky collaborator who has recently relocated >to a new headquarters in the Smoky Mountains of North Carolina: >San Graal >137 Biodome Dr. >Waynesville, NC 28716 >email : dwinter@aol.com > This guy is the king of phi spirals. His book "Sacred Geometry: The >Alphabet Of The Heart" shows phi spirals in everything from the 7 >tetrahedrally oriented layers of muscle in the human heart to the origins >of the Hebrew alphabet. > The Synergetic Atomic Model that I sent you looks static because I >need to put it on computer to make it move. It also needs to utilize >springs and spirals. > Ratcheted dodecahedra is a Dan Winter term for a helix of >phi-related pentagonal dodecahedra. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:19:43 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: some general principles of tension. (fwd) tom aagdii writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Fri Mar 22 12:33:26 1996 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 21:32:22 +0100 (MET) > From: tom aagdii > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: syn-l: some general principles of tension. (fwd) > In-Reply-To: > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > DE DIGITALE STAD > > Op Fri, 22 Mar 1996, tom aagdii schreef: > > > j > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > DE DIGITALE STAD > > > > > > > > > > Could you give us some more details about the above article? What is the > > > > title? What is the name of the author? What pages is it on? What is the > > > > date of the magazine? Where is the magazine published? The name of the > > > > magazine is _Leonardo_? Do you think the article is worth trying to get a > > > > copy of? Etc, etc. > > > > > > soon i send some description, first i have to go the library. > > > > but here somthing else, i copy this article from new scientest > > > > PURE BUCKYBALLS AT BARGAIN PRICES; > > COST IS A MAJOR PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING BUCKYBALLS TO WORK. > > ALTHOUGH THE FOOTBALL-SHAPED MOLECULES ARE REATLIVELY CHEAP AND EASY TO MAKE, > > THEY ARE EXPENSIVE TO PURIFY.'UNPURIGIED IT'S4149,'SAYS VINCENT ROTELLO, A > > CHEMIST AT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS AT AMHERST. > > > > now Rotello says he has developed a cheap and easy way to purigy > > buckyballs. he thinks the process will eventuallly drive the price down, and > > make the material more attractive for a number of applications. > > > > buckyball, which were discovered 10 years ago, are spherical molecules > > composed of 60 carbon atoms connected together likke a geodesic dome. > > researchers are interested n iusing them- and related carbon molecules > > called fullerenes- as lubricants, catalysts, the raw materials for > > polymers, electrical and optical conductors, and even as toner for > > photocopiers. > > > > chemists have a number of ways to produce fullerene. burning benzen, for > > example, produces a material that is about half fullerenes and half > > ordinary soot. > > the usual way to purify this mixture is to run it a gram at a time > > through a chromatograph. these days the russians specialise in this > > time-consuming procedure, because they have equipment and need the money, > > says rotello. he says his technique can purify fullerenes in large batches > > > > Rotello was at MIT several years ago when researchers led by jack > > Hammond disovered that dienes- compounds containing two carbon-carbon > > double bonds- would bind to fullerenes at room temperature, and relaease > > them again when heated. > > Rotello mixes the sooty fullerene mixture with silica gel that contains > > a diene. the buckyballs attach themselves to the dienes while the rest of > > the soot is washed away. when the gel is heated to 100C degree the bond > > break, releasing the purified fullerenes. > > > > Rotello and his student Bing Nie published a description of his new > > method in last week's Journal of Organic chemistry. the next step is to > > adapt the process for large- scle production. > > Kurt Kleiner, Washingto DC > > > > i probably should not do this- copy right staff- well i am ignroant > > tagdi > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:22:11 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: Springs / D. Winter / static models (fwd) tom aagdii writes: > From desiree.teleport.com!teleport.com!owner-synergetics-l Fri Mar 22 12:46:37 1996 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 21:43:14 +0100 (MET) > From: tom aagdii > To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: syn-l: Springs / D. Winter / static models > In-Reply-To: <9603221433.AA01950@cti02.citenet.net> > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-synergetics-l@teleport.com > Reply-To: synergetics-l@teleport.com > Precedence: bulk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > it is quite probable through evidence to see how nature response > to personal actions. if you works on a project that fulfil > nature requirments, it will supply you back with what you need, > how can you know, only if you do it 100% free and for no pay > and the project is important to evolution. > how does nature respond- through feed back > this just hunches through a number of expeirence i had, my problem > i have no great idea or great invention so i have to be satisfied > with what i get. last statment, it seems to me nature is not > moralistic in any sense. > Tagdi > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:45:21 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: PBS BUCKY SPECIAL 4-96 Comments: cc: Synergetics List >From the USA Public Broadcasting System (PBS) website (http://www.pbs.org): QUOTE: BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THINKING OUT LOUD AN "AMERICAN MASTERS" SPECIAL Wednesday, April 10, 1996 9:00 pm ET (check local listings) For the better part of the 20th century, R. Buckminster Fuller went where no man had gone before as the maverick captain of the planet he called "Spaceship Earth." An architect, designer, engineer, poet, philosopher and global iconoclast, Fuller was a true Renaissance man, best remembered as the creator of the geodesic dome. Called a 20th-century Leonardo, a modern Ben Franklin and a jet-age Emerson, "Bucky" Fuller is the subject of a new 90-minute special, BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THINKING OUT LOUD, AN "AMERICAN MASTERS" SPECIAL, the first feature documentary on Fuller since his death in 1983. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THINKING OUT LOUD airs on PBS Wednesday, April 10, 1996, 9:00 p.m. ET (check local listings). Morley Safer, anchor of television's "60 Minutes," narrates; actor and monologuist Spalding Gray reads excerpts from Fuller's writings. In Buckminster Fuller's world, cars were to have three wheels, houses were to be delivered by blimps and cities were to be built inside floating spheres. To many, Fuller was a genius. To others, a crackpot. To most, he was both. This incisive documentary lets viewers make their own decisions about the man considered one of the 20th century's most distinguished, innovative and controversial thinkers. Imbedded in Fuller's life are the tools, artifacts, inventions and anxieties of nearly a century of American life. At the core of the documentary are rare and previously unseen materials, film and video clips, photographs and private correspondence from Fuller's voluminous archives spanning eight decades. Interviews with Fuller's close associates, friends and family - including musician John Cage, film director Arthur Penn, choreographer Merce Cunningham and architect Philip Johnson - provide further insight into his dramatic life story. The award-winning AMERICAN MASTERS is currently celebrating its 10th anniversary. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THINKING OUT LOUD, AN "AMERICAN MASTERS" SPECIAL is closed captioned for deaf and hard-of-hearing viewers and is distributed in *Stereo*. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: THINKING OUT LOUD is a production of Simon & Goodman Picture Company in association with Thirteen/WNET New York. Producers/directors: Karen Goodman and Kirk Simon. Executive producer of AMERICAN MASTERS: Susan Lacy. Director of cultural and arts programs at Thirteen/WNET: Jac Venza. Funding is provided by American Express; the National Endowment for the Arts; Rosalind P. Walter; the Marilyn M. Simpson Charitable Trust; the Blanche & Irving Laurie Foundation; the Andriand Elizabeth Kerti Foundation; the Michael and Helen Schaffer Foundation, Inc.; Jack Rudin; public television viewers; PBS; and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. PBS Online || Search || Programs || Stations || Store || Email PBS || PBS Previews If PBS Doesn't Do It, Who Will? UNQUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 17:01:48 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: PBS BUCKY SPECIAL (N.CALIF) Comments: cc: Synergetics List >From KQED, San Francisco, California, USA, website (http://www.kqed.org): QUOTE: 04/14/96 CC ST 11:00 PM BUCKMINISTER FULLER: THINKING OUT LOUD, AN AMERICAN MASTERS SPECIAL Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud, An American Masters Special A true Renaissance man, R. Buckminster Fuller is best remembered as an architect and creator of the geodesic dome. This is the first retrospective look at the remarkable man, who urged people to think "globally" and "ecologically" decades before the words were even popular, much less understood. UNQUOTE: -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:46:38 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: syn-l: PBS BUCKY SPECIAL (N.CALIF) Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Comments: cc: Synergetics List At 05:01 PM 3/22/96 PST, Joe Moore wrote: >>From KQED, San Francisco, California, USA, website (http://www.kqed.org): >QUOTE: > 04/14/96 CC ST > 11:00 PM > BUCKMINISTER FULLER: THINKING OUT LOUD, AN AMERICAN MASTERS > SPECIAL > Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud, An American Masters > Special Thanks Joe! More info/links re this film to be found at BFI Calendar page: http://www.critpath.org/bfi/events.html -- I incorporated some of the links you've found. Should be another by WNET (New York public TV) around April 1st. Stay tuned. Also, J. Baldwin's new book, BuckyWorks is out, if not at your local bookstore then certainly orderable (I've ordered -- spendy, but I'm sure I'll treasure it always). Kirby -------------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 22:46:24 -0500 Reply-To: SEABRZN Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: SEABRZN Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Dome chord factors It would be much appreciated if I could get a formula to figure my own dome chord factors. I realize Steve Mathers took the time and effort to calculate out the chord factors for us and even gave us the formula, but I am afraid he went a little over my head. If someone would please take a say 3 frequency dome with a 20 foot diameter, show the formula, and then show the numbers plugged into the formula, and then show the chord factors it would be more appreciated than a bucket full of worms on a good fishing day. TRULY ALL HELP IS APPRECIATED ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 00:08:02 -0500 Reply-To: SEABRZN Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: SEABRZN Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Largest Prime Found (I think) You would think with an infinite number of numbers there would also be an infinite number of prime numbers??? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 02:21:20 -0500 Reply-To: PLonewolf Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: PLonewolf Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Cascade Domes Does anyone have the number to Cascade Domes? They were on the Dome Web Page awhile back and then all of a sudden no more. I finnaly convinced the "better half" that what we needed was one their tent domes for camp. Low and behold when I need to call and get the price and shipping down, nothing, I WANT MY DOME!!!! Anyway if anyone out there has the number or information please drop me a line. Thank you. Pierre A. Lonewolf Lonewolf Communications KOTZ-AM Kotzebue, Alaska 99752 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 08:36:55 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ed Applewhite Subject: Re: syn-l: some general principles of tension. (fwd) Joe, I have the text of the LEONARDO article sent me by the author (Istvan Hargittai). Would you like me to forward it to you for posting? Ed Apple ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 08:23:31 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: some general principles of tension. (fwd) In-Reply-To: <960323083654_253830351@emout05.mail.aol.com>; from "Ed Applewhite" at Mar 23, 96 8:36 am Ed Applewhite writes: > Joe, > I have the text of the LEONARDO article sent me by the author (Istvan > Hargittai). > Would you like me to forward it to you for posting? Please do. Thanks! Has Mr. Hargittai written other articles about Bucky's work? His name sounds familiar. If so, we should post a list of his articles. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 08:58:24 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Dome chord factors Comments: To: seabrzn@aol.com In-Reply-To: <4ivs6g$cic@newsbf02.news.aol.com>; from "SEABRZN" at Mar 22, 96 10:46 pm SEABRZN writes: > It would be much appreciated if I could get a formula to figure my own > dome chord factors. I realize Steve Mathers took the time and effort to Are you sure you REALLY want to know? The calculation of choed factors involves such goodies as spherical trig, with things like square roots, funny greek symbols, radians, sin, cosin, numbers to a certain power, tangents, dip angles, etc, etc. And the knowledge to use a scientific calculator, or have the appropriate software for your computer. Of course, you could do it the hard way like Bucky did, using an old fashioned hand-cranked mechanical tabulator! But if you are really serious (and masochistic) see: "(3,5+)^1.480/b,0 and a Little of Its History" by Joseph D. Clinton DOME magazine, Summer 1992, pages 42-7. (donh@hoflin.com) _Geodesic Math and How to Use It_ by Hugh Kenner (1976; out of print). Most just use the chord factors in good faith without worrying about how they are derived. BTW, there is more than one way to derive CFs; but that's another can of worms. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 09:06:09 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Cascade Domes Comments: To: plonewolf@AOL.COM In-Reply-To: <4j08pg$her@newsbf02.news.aol.com>; from "PLonewolf" at Mar 23, 96 2:21 am PLonewolf writes: > Does anyone have the number to Cascade Domes? They were on the Dome Web > Page awhile back and then all of a sudden no more. I finnaly convinced the > "better half" that what we needed was one their tent domes for camp. Low > and behold when I need to call and get the price and shipping down, > nothing, I WANT MY DOME!!!! Anyway if anyone out there has the number or > information please drop me a line. Thank you. > > Pierre A. Lonewolf > Lonewolf Communications > KOTZ-AM > Kotzebue, Alaska 99752 Cascade Domes (IMS, INC.) 4953 Parsons Ave. Eugene, OR _____ USA 503-461-3502 info@domes.com http://domes.com as of 1-96 -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 14:17:32 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James McCaig Subject: Re: syn-l: Springs / D. Winter / static models (fwd) UH OH, Sounds like brother Tagdi is stating the golden rule in scientific terms. Sounds MYSTICAL to me. Nature is the scripture of the Mystic. Warm regards, Tagdi Writes: > it is quite probable through evidence to see how nature response > to personal actions. if you works on a project that fulfil > nature requirments, it will supply you back with what you need, > how can you know, only if you do it 100% free and for no pay > and the project is important to evolution. > how does nature respond- through feed back > this just hunches through a number of expeirence i had, my problem > i have no great idea or great invention so i have to be satisfied > with what i get. last statment, it seems to me nature is not > moralistic in any sense. > Tagdi > .- Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 17:18:35 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: solar energy list? (fwd) Comments: cc: Synergetics List drsmooth writes: > From wishkah.techline.com!techline.com!drsmooth Sat Mar 23 16:32:52 1996 > Message-ID: <31549868.50A4@techline.com> > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 16:33:44 -0800 > From: drsmooth > Organization: Society for a More Perfect Universe > X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > Subject: solar energy list? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Do you know if there is a group that discusses solar energy? > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 19:31:35 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: UPCOMING BUCKY EVENTS UPCOMING BUCKMINSTER FULLER EVENTS See BFI Calendar for details (http://www.critpath.org/bfi) Between 6/4 & 6/12, Film: "Race to Catch a BuckyBall"; Santa Barbara, CA Between 6/4 & 6/12, Talk: Dr.Kroto,BuckyBall co-discoverer;Santa Barbara, CA 6/02, Display: Original Large _Tetrascroll_; Santa Barbara, CA 6/01, Display: Original Large _Tetrascroll_; Santa Barbara, CA 5/31, Display: Original Large _Tetrascroll_; Santa Barbara, CA 4/28, Meeting: World Game; Santa Barbara, CA 4/27, Meeting: World Game; San Diego, CA 4/26, Meeting: World Game; San Diego, CA 4/16, Film: "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud"; San Francisco, CA 4/15, Film: "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud"; San Francisco, CA 4/10, Film: "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud"; PBS, USA 3/17, Booksigning: _BuckyWorks_ by J. Baldwin; Santa Barbara, CA 3/17, Film: "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud"; Santa Barbara, CA 3/15, Book: _BuckyWorks_ by J. Baldwin published; USA 3/01, Talk: Peter Meisen of GENI re Global Energy Grid Santa Barbara, CA -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 21:43:40 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: IRC TRANSCRIPT TRANSCRIPT OF GOODMAN/SIMON INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC) INTERVIEW "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking OutLoud" We are talking to Producers/Directors Karen Goodman and Kirk Simon live from Sundance. Their film is about Buckminster Fuller one of the 20th century's most distinguished, innovative and controversial thinkers, a genius to some, a crackpot to others. CCCarl : WELCOME to Apple Computer, Inc's coverage of the Sundance Film Festival Live from Park City, Utah. Our special guests are ****** Karen Goodman and Kirk Simon ****** Directors/producers of a film entered in the Documentary competition section "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud" sonicnet : greetings from your New York fans! CCCarl : err that's Thinking Out Loud. =-) Independent filmmakers Karen Goodman and Kirk Simon, are collectively recipients of three Academy Award nominations and three Emmy Awards. "Thinking Out Loud" is a feature documentary about the chief engineer and navigator of Spaceship Earth: R. Buckminster Fuller. In Buckminster Fuller's world, cars had three wheels, houses could be delivered by KirkKaren: LOL:) CCCarl : blimps, and cities were to be built inside floating spheres. He was one of the 20th century's most distinguished, innovative and controversial thinkers. To many he was a genius, to some he was a crackpot. To most he was both. Welcome Karen and Kirk and thanks for your time! We are talking to Karen Goodman and Kirk Simon, directors/producers, of the film "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud SueCCC : Welcome Karen and Kirk, great you could join us! sonicnet : How has the film been received? KirkKaren: Our interviewer has just gone down, crash, crash, she will be right back, drag CCCarl : What did you find most interesting about Buckminster Fuller, KirkKaren, as you did your research? sonicnet : How did you get interested in Bucky? KirkKaren: So we will start talking about our film, while our interviewer listens to a re boot. Are there any questions? CCCarl : What did you find most interesting about Buckminster Fuller, KirkKaren, as you did your research? PACIFICAF: How did you get financing? KirkKaren: The most interesting notion about Bucky is that he can't be catagorized. He doesn't fit anywhere. WhizzerWi: Me and my friends made a super 8 feature with $20k; any advice, we're all in the industry, but we need all the help we can get. KirkKaren: The film was finanaced by grants from the NEA and the NEH. WhizzerWi: Who? sonicnet : Good luck Whizzer! CCCarl : That's lucky. Did you get any access to never-before seen footage of Mr. Fuller? WhizzerWi: thanks, it's in the can. KirkKaren: The NEA is the National Endowment for the Arts; the NEH is the Endowment for the Humanities. I think if you have a good film project, just stick to it and somehow you'll find the financing. marjorie : I'm back now. marjorie : If Buckminsisteer Fuller were alive now what do you think he'd be doing now? KirkKaren: Bucky framed his life by technology. He was far ahead in his thinking. He anticipated computer networks fifty years ago, so who knows what he'd be thinking about now. marjorie : How did you get his "previously unseen" personal papers and what did you learn from them? DoumTek : No the eworld name is DoumTek, I'm "The O'Niall. marjorie : What made him a counter culture hero as a senior citizen, an age when most people are somewhat out of touch with the younger generation? KirkKaren: We were the first outsiders to have access to Fuller's personal papers in his archive. His archive is the size of a large warehouse. It's the largest personal archive in existance says the Smithsonian Institute. He kept everything! We spent months reading the stuff. PACIFICAF: good luck on the movie. Sounds like something i'd buy a ticket to go see. Wish i were there. sonicnet : Will we be able to see the film on television? KirkKaren: Watch American Masters -- PBS -- April 9 or 10th at 9PM EST. sonicnet : Thanks. marjorie : Do you agree with Fuller's philosophy about the earth, that an instruction manual should come with it? CCCarl : We are talking to Karen Goodman and Kirk Simon, directors/producers, of the film "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Outload" live from the Sundance Film Festival in Utah. SailinCCC: That's great! KirkKaren: Yes. We are the most confused beings around. Bucky was right to beleive it was up to each of us to figure it out. SailinCCC: Every person gets his/her own out of their experiences here. SueCCC : I think that' a great idea! Jaymon : What did you find of Fuller's ideas that seem out dated? KirkKaren: Re the 60's. It was a time when Bucky's ideas came into their own in the sense that, as he put it, those "in charge" were asleep at the switch. He was a revolutionary in 1927 -- and stayed one throughout his life and so the 60's counter culture was a perfect fit for him. SueCCC : Good question Jaymon! SailinCCC: <--- going to the bookstore to find the book! SueCCC : <--- following Sailin. DJones864: Did he ever dialogue with Marshall McCluhan? Are there similarities in their points of view? SailinCCC: Interesting point DJones! KirkKaren: His sense that "one man could and should make a difference" may be, sadly, outdated. KirkKaren: McCluhan and Fuller communicated often. marjorie : You've mostly made documentaries, and successfully! Any plans to move into feature films? KirkKaren: Perhaps someday, given the right story. RADWOR : Do you think your research has brought to light any aspects of Bucky that were previously unknown? marjorie : How has this film been received as compared to your other films? Jaymon : Did he ever get together with E.F. Schumacher? KirkKaren: This was our first screening for the public, and we got a great response. CCCarl : That's terrific! marjorie : radwor is next! Pooh2U : Hello all. marjorie : Jaymon, they aren't sure who E.F. Schumacher is; do you want to clarify? KirkKaren: Yes. Most people remember him only for the dome, and his biography is rather murky. I think the film is the first attempt to look at his whole life story. SailinCCC: Hi Pooh. CCCarl : And there's always Buckyballs to remember him by. =-P marjorie : What was the most surprising thing you found out about Fuller? Shayjjk : Hello. sonicnet : What was John Cage 's connection? SailinCCC: BuckminsterFullerenes KirkKaren: How scrupulously he kept everything -- he even asked people to send back letters he had sent them so he could archive them. marjorie : What was the most difficult obstacle you faced in getting the film made? Jaymon : E.F.Schumacher, if I recall correctly wrote a 60's era book about appropriate technologies. marjorie : Sonic, you're next. Jaymon : And natural resource use called _Small is Beautiful_. RonBarb : As a visual artist, I'm interested in Fuller's definition of beauty. Any comment due to your research? KirkKaren: There were 2. One was financing. The other was sifting and sorting through the miles and miles of papers, documents he collected and sorting through the hours upon hours of lengthy lectures he gave, to figure out what would best represent him in the film. BinkySmur: Is this an open dialogue or should we wait our turn? KirkKaren: Bucky and John Cage met at Black Mountain College in 1948. KirkKaren: Bucky built his first dome at Black Mountain and it fell down. sonicnet : Did they collaborate? (Cage & Bucky?) marjorie : RonBarb..you're question is next! CCCarl : Binky, type a ? and marjorie will call on you when you can ask your question. KirkKaren: Cage loved that Bucky thrived on his failures. Only throught failure can you find success. BinkySmur: ? marjorie : About Beauty...ronbarb. KirkKaren: Bucky didn't believe in art per se as a goal that is. marjorie : Binky,, you can ask your question now. KirkKaren: He thought that if you got things right, it would be beautiful. marjorie : Binky? you're up... BinkySmur: Was the principle of the hexagon (was that the shape?) simply intuited by Fuller? KirkKaren: Come on Binky JReilly10: What CCCarl : I think you mean a geodesic dome, Binky JReilly10: Huh? KirkKaren: Fuller believe that the triangle was the basic building block of nature. CCCarl : We are talking to Karen Goodman and Kirk Simon, directors/producers, of the film "Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud" live from the Sundance Film Festival in Utah. KirkKaren: Binky check into teleology. marjorie : What advice do you have for aspiring documentary filmmakers out there? A philosophy of how to approach the work? BinkySmur: Yes, but I mean the individual elements in the dome. sonicnet : Ouch! KirkKaren: Do something you are passionate about. Don't think about anything else. KirkKaren: Don't get caught up in the hype. JReilly10: Buckminster fullerenes--aren't they forms of carbon? Jaymon : ? Mellville: Will the film cover his wild early years, his silence to thinker era or just his thinking? SailinCCC: Yes JReilly. marjorie : Go jaymon....right now. KirkKaren: Yes, they are Carbon 60 molecules. SailinCCC: Shaped just like a soccer ball. KirkKaren: Yes Yes Yes. Melville. marjorie : jaymon? JReilly10: Are you chemists. KirkKaren: JR, No No No. sonicnet : Only at the lab. SailinCCC: Not I ..just studied them in school. marjorie : (jreilly that means_). Jaymon : A technical question. What do you think of 8mm as a format for documentary video? JReilly10: see ya! KirkKaren: I think 8mm is great. Jaymon, its cheap and easily available and inobtrusive. newbie : Hi. Is there a line for quesions? marjorie : What is the one thing you'd like audiences to come away from your film with.... Jaymon : How about quality and acceptability to networks and distributors? marjorie : You're next jaymon...then newbie.... KirkKaren: It's harder than you think. Bucky was a complicated guy. It's not what he did, but what he thought was possible. newbie : kirkkaren. What labs U use. Have any advice for b&W 8mm processing? KirkKaren: Newbie: we use DuArt in New York. Try duart for BW. marjorie : We'd like to thank Kirk and Karen for being with us. Their film sounds fascinating! marjorie : Any last questions? CCCarl : I'm looking forward to seeing it on PBS. sonicnet : What is your next project? Jaymon : Viewing dates? SailinCCC: Me too CCCarl! KirkKaren: If you want to learn more about Bucky, contact the Buckminster Fuller Institute in Santa Barbara. Become a member. Jenna : Thanks so much - this was fascinating. :-) KirkKaren: Watch for PBS, American Masters, April 10th, 9PM, EST. RonBarb : Thanks to KirkKaren. Looking forward to April on PBS. marjorie : Thanks Kirk and Karen....Stay tuned folks; our next guests are Jeanne Gordon and Steven Ascher from the film "Troublesome Creek". CCCarl : ######################################################### Thank you Kirk and Karen for this exciting and informative discussion! Thank you everyone for coming to our interview. Next we are going to talk to Jeanne Jordon and Steven Ascher, Directors/producers/screenwriters of the film "Troublesome Creek: A Midwestern" so please stick around, it should be fun. :-) ######################################################### SueCCC : Great conference, thanks alot! CCCarl : If you want to find out more about the Sundance Film Festival look on the WWW at http://www.sundance.org/sundance/institute CCCarl : You can get a glimpse of what is happening at Sundance, see quicktake clips, interviews with celebrities and more by going to http://live.apple.com _________________________________________________________________ -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 00:48:29 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Largest Prime Found (I think) SEABRZN pointed out: >You would think with an infinite number of numbers there would also be an >infinite number of prime numbers??? An infinite number of numbers does not, in itself, imply an infinite number of primes. See Georg Cantor's writings, which form the basis of what we laughingly call "set theory" for why. But, (as many people end up saying to me from time to time) what about the original question? (I have Loads O Fun telling these people that the answer to their question is irrelevant, since they were asking the wrong question.) The RIGHT question is "How many prime numbers are there"? It would seem that we have an interesting pattern, since there are more primes between 1 and 100 than there are between 101 and 200. Do they peter out? Do they stop? Is there a "highest" prime number? Euclid gave us a classic example of an "indirect proof" by starting with the assumption that there WERE only a finite number or primes, and trying to derive a contradiction from that assumption. It is such a classic that I can summarize it even after dinner, a movie, and several more glasses of Glenfiddich than would seem reasonable, given the steep and twisty nature of the roads that lead from what we laughingly call "civilization" back to my home: 1) We first list the primes: 2, 3, 5,..., 151, ..., Z 2) "Z" is the number we assume to be the largest prime number. 3) Now we will take all the primes and multiply them together, so we have 2 * 3 * 5 * ... * Z. We will call the sum "N". 4) Now, since "N" is the sum of all the prime numbers, any of the prime numbers can be divided into N and yield a result with no remainder. 5) But what about (N + 1) ? Well, all of the primes divided into N divided "evenly", since they are all factors of the number "N", but they all leave a remainder of 1 when divided into (N + 1), simply BECAUSE they divided "evenly" into "N". 6) This means that (N + 1) is either a prime number that is larger than Z, or it is evenly divisible by some prime number that is larger than Z. 7) Since we assumed that Z was the largest prime number, we have a contradiction. Z cannot be the largest prime. N can't be the largest prime, and neither can (N + 1), because we could insert a new quarter, and play the game over using the larger set of primes to create a new (larger) sum of all the primes. The result would be the same. We would loose. Therefore, there is no largest prime, and there are an infinite number of primes. The series of prime numbers is an infinite series. If this seems less than convincing, I assume that a number of textbooks do a better job of walking the reader through the proof than I have. Trust me, there ARE an infinite number of primes. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 03:08:22 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Brant Subject: Re: Bucky film on PBS - follow up project The listing from PBS's website says, in part: "This incisive documentary lets viewers make their own decisions about the man considered one of the 20th century's most distinguished, innovative and controversial thinkers." I would like to propose I little project for the people in this discussion group. After the broadcast on PBS, I propose that we all take the time to write letters to the editors of all our local newspapers (or Op Ed pieces, for those of us that want to go that more expansive route) and let the people in our corners of the world know what Bucky Fuller has meant to us. Personally, I don't think another opportunity like this is going to come around again. In other words, THIS IS IT! PBS is opening up the door of public consciousness. It's up to us to walk through it. Ideally, someone should be approaching the Charlie Rose PBS talk show about being interviewed by him. Jay Baldwin, perhaps, with his new book? Some of you probably know I haven't been too thrilled with the "objective" approach reported to have been used by the makers of this documentary. I would have preferred it to have advocated for his view of the possibility for all of humanity to make it. (I wonder if it will mention Bucky's Integrity Days in 1983?) Well, rather than playing victim, I'd rather, as they say, "make lemonade out of a lemon." So, how many takers do I have for this project? I don't think it appropriate to write a form letter for people to use, because I'd much rather encourage you all to write something from your hearts. Let's flood the newspapers with letters that announce the dawning on this new age. The story isn't that we're going from "industrial" to "informational," it's that we're going from "some people are meant to live and some to die" to "humanity is meant to be a success," from "win/lose" to "win/win", from "scarcity" to "abundance." I look forward to hearing from you all on this. - Steve Brant ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 07:05:29 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Largest Prime Found (I think) James Fischer wrote, perhaps after > several more glasses of Glenfiddich than would seem reasonable... > 3) Now we will take all the primes and multiply them together, > so we have 2 * 3 * 5 * ... * Z. We will call the sum "N". > > 4) Now, since "N" is the sum of all the prime numbers, any of > the prime numbers can be divided into N and yield a result... > If this seems less than convincing, I assume that a number of > textbooks do a better job of walking the reader through the > proof than I have. Perhaps some of those textbooks use the word "product" instead of "sum." Nick the Picky ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 08:57:50 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: syn-l: solar energy list? (fwd) Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com In-Reply-To: <199603240549.AAA11728@crucible.inmind.com>; from "James Fischer" at Mar 24, 96 12:48 am James Fischer writes: > >drsmooth writes: > >> Do you know if there is a group that discusses solar energy? > There are a number of newsgroups that do: > NewsGroup My Opinion > ---------------------- ---------------------------------- > alt.solar.photovoltaic Fun With Solar Cells > alt.solar.thermal Passive Solar > alt.energy.renewable Generic "soft" energy technology > sci.energy Massive flame wars by folks who > appear to have flunked physics 101 > alt.architecture.alternative Solar Design comes up here I think DrSmooth was looking for a solar LIST. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 12:05:56 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Ed Applewhite Subject: Re: syn-l: some general principles of tension. (fwd) JOE MOORE HERE IS THE TEXT. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CHECK DR, HARGITTAI. MUST WSE CHECK WITH LEONARDO BEFORE POSTING? ED APPLE LEONARDO Editorial Istvan Hargittai Budapest Technical University and Hungarian Academy of Sciences H-1521 Budapest, Hungary A Fuller Bridge The discovery of the sphere-like C60 Buckminsterfullerene molecule, followed by the emergence of a whole new fullerene chemistry provides an opportunity to lessen the separation between C. P. Snow's two cultures. The drama of the discovery and the magnificent simplicity of the structure attract the attention not only of chemists and other scientists but of non- scientists as well. Both the story and the structure are rich in cultural implications. In a laser beam evaporation experiment of graphite, at the beginning of September, 1985, a group of scientists at Rice University in Houston, Texas, Harry Kroto, Rick Smalley, Bob Curl, and their students identified a set of conditions in which the C60 species could be produced in an incredibly high relative abundance in comparison with any other cluster. This extraordinary stability prompted the researchers to look for the structural reason of its formation. First they came to the conclusion that it should be a closed cage structure. Having known this much they could have quickly come to the conclusion of the shape of the truncated icosahedron, one of the thirteen Archimedean polyhedra. In hindsight this is what should have happened. Instead, they were merely searching for a sphere-like structure composed mostly of same-size regular hexagons, based on the graphite sheets. They also remembered, however, the U.S. pavilion of the Montreal Expo 67 which led them to the works of Buckminster Fuller. Playing with models then, they came finally to the conclusion of the structure consisting of 12 regular same size pentagons and 20 regular same size hexagons. The route to the discovery thus was connected to Buckminster Fuller's name in the researchers' mind and they named the new molecule buckminsterfullerene. This is a very long trivial name for a relatively simple compound. However, any systematic name would be even longer. It is also a respectable name for an important molecule whereas names such as footballene, soccerene, buckyball and the like sounded too playful although the official soccerball consists of the same number and form of patches as the truncated icosahedron. Buckminsterfullerene is the third modification of carbon to be discovered, after graphite and diamond, and Nature seems to have kept it secret for a long time. There is now an avalanche of similar all-carbon molecules, all belonging to the fullerene family and technically as many new modifications of carbon. One of the most intriguing features of fullerene chemistry is that metal atoms may get inside the C60 ball and even a new designation had to be devised to describe this mode of forming chemical associations. Thus, for example, the buckminsterfullerene molecule containing a lanthanum atom within is designated as La@C60. An interesting feature of the discovery was that it was a lucky crossing of two separate lines of research. In one, Harry Kroto was looking for molecules of interstellar space and for him the laser beam evaporation of graphite served for mimicking interstellar conditions of forming new species. In the other, Rick Smalley had built a sophisticated apparatus in which loosely bound groups of atoms were formed and observed, called clusters. The graphite evaporation experiment combined their experience and interest, and brought cluster physics and astrophysics together in a chemical exercise. Their experiment though was not the first of its kind. About a year before, another group in a similar experiment detected and published the products of graphite evaporation by laser beam. Although the relative abundance of C60 was not so striking as in the Houston experiment, in hindsight again, it could have been noticed. It was not though, and not only by the researchers who produced the data but by the readers of the prestigious journal either, where the report had appeared. When the report of the Houston group was published, it generated interest but the real landslide of a new chemistry started when another team led by Wolfgang Kraetschmer of Heidelberg and Donald Huffman of Tucson, Arizona, found a simple way to produce buckminsterfullerene in measurable quantities. This enabled any chemist to experiment with the new substance. The discovery of buckminsterfullerene was serendipitous but it was not luck alone but hard work, training, experience, and curiosity that all came together in utilizing the serendipity. As Louis Pasteur stated, oIn the field of observation, chance only favors those minds which have been prepared.oe Curiously, several suggestions, unknown to the discoverers, preceded the discovery. They all pointed to the feasibility of the substance that we call today buckminsterfullerene. In 1970, Eiji Osawa in Japan suggested C60 of a truncated icosahedral shape, purely out of symmetry considerations. In 1973 D.A. Bochvar and Elena G. Gal'pern in Moscow carried out some theoretical calculations leading to the suggestion of the great relative stability of C60 molecule of the truncated icosahedral shape. Even before, in 1966, David Jones in Britain mused in print about the possibility of graphite sheets curling up into hollow ball-like molecules. There are thus many threads of the buckminsterfullerene story, and Buckminster Fuller's entering the picture had more than symbolic significance. Fuller was not only the creator of geodesic domes but an advocate of physical geometry in which the dodecahedron and the icosahedron played an important role. His writings may be controversial if looking for the specifics but it is his influence, exerted over broad ranges of disciplines, that not only survives him but appears to provide fruitful stimuli in different fields. The physical importance of the icosahedron and the relevance of Fuller's teachings were stressed by the discoverers of virus structures, Donald Caspar and Aaron Klug. They stated in the early 1960s that oThe solution we have found ... was, in fact, inspired by the geometrical principles applied by Buckminster Fuller in the construction of geodesic domes ... The resemblance of the design of geodesic domes ... to icosahedral viruses had attracted our attention at the time of the poliovirus work ... Fuller has pioneered in the development of a physically orientated geometry based on the principles of efficient design.oe Alas, it seems that the influence on this important microbiological research did not spill over to other fields. The situation may be different with the buckminsterfullerene story. A whole new field is being created, one that is new not only by the unique shape of the C60 molecule but by the size-range that is getting involved. Fullerenes appear to be not only as isolated molecules but as sheets and tubes and molecular wires in a great variety. The potential applications range from superconductivity to anti-AIDS agents. Fullerene chemistry is becoming an important part of a new area, often called nanochemistry, referring to sizes of the magnitude of many, though finite number of molecules. There is added attraction in this new chemistry in the accessible shape of the buckminsterfullerene molecule. The truncated icosahedron is not as common as the cube but is not so complicated as to make it difficult for non-scientists to understand and recognize it. It is special enough to catch the eye and was shown in a conspicuously beautiful drawing by Leonardo da Vinci. It is pleasing not only to chemists but to interested laypersons as well when this shape is recognized outside chemistry. It may be a children's climbing frame, a lamp, the soccerball itself. Had the original discoverers known their geometry better, had Euler's formula come to mind as soon as they started looking for the shape of the cage consisting of 60 carbon atoms, they might have had no reason for reaching out to Buckminster Fuller. In that case the synergistic impact of their discovery would almost certainly have been much less significant. This is though not equivalent with praising the lack of being versed in geometry. On the contrary, one of the side benefits of this outstanding chemical discovery may be an enhanced interest in three-dimensional geometry and a strengthened commitment towards geometry education in our schools. This is but one aspect in which the smooth rolling buckminsterfullerene molecules may facilitate closing the gap between our two cultures. c-CIRCLE: Copyright by Istvan Hargittai and LEONARDO ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:22:16 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Dr., Hargittai on FULLER (fwd) Comments: cc: Synergetics List EdApple@aol.com writes: > From mail06.mail.aol.com!aol.com!edapple Sun Mar 24 09:05:53 1996 > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 12:05:47 -0500 > From: EdApple@aol.com > Message-ID: <960324120546_254608626@mail06> > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Subject: Dr., Hargittai on FULLER > > JOE MOORE > ITEM FOR SEPARATE POSTING PER YOUR REQUEST > ED APPLE > > Dr. Istvan Hargittai, who wrote the lead editorial relating to Buckminster > Fuller in the journal LEONARDO, is the author of other works which treat of > or describe aspects of Fuller's synergetic geometry: > > SYMMETRY; A UNIFYING CONCEPT by Istvan Hargittai and Magdolna Hargittai. > Shelter Publications, Bolinas CA (1994) > > SYMMETRY THROUGH THE EYES OF A CHEMIST ( 2nd edition) Plenum Press New York > and London (1995) > > He is also editor in chief of the Springer-Verlag journal THE CHEMICAL > INTELLIGENCER > > More information may be found at his web page at > > http://goliat.eik.bme.hu/~aakmj/hargitta.htm > > E.J. Applewhite > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 13:14:49 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Paul R. Kosuth" Subject: Re: Largest Prime Found (I think) Comments: To: SEABRZN In-Reply-To: <4j00vi$ea5@newsbf02.news.aol.com> On Sat, 23 Mar 1996, SEABRZN wrote: > You would think with an infinite number of numbers there would also be an > infinite number of prime numbers??? > Prime numbers do go on infinitely, though they become more and more sparse. By sparse I mean that the distance between primes becomes farthur and farthur so they are harder and harder to find. It has been shown that there are no set patterns to follow, no way to absoulutely predict what will be the next prime. The largest prime, therefore, is really the largest prime that has so far been found. paul kosuth prkosuth@prairienet.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 12:10:39 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: BFI STAFF Comments: cc: Synergetics List BUCKMINSTER FULLER INSTITUTE STAFF For more details see: http://www.critpath.org/bfi Last updated: March 4, 1996 Constance M. Beutel, Ed.D. -- Executive Director John Ferry -- Media and Operations Manager Jackie Lohrke -- Office Administrator Mark C. Kelly -- Archivist -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 13:53:02 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Yet another solar heated swimming pool So, I'm looking at the $450 15' diameter x 42" deep swimming pool in the 1993 Spring/Summer J C Penny catalog, which would contain about 619 cubic feet of water, ie about 5,000 gallons or 40,000 pounds of water... Solar pool heating is easy, compared to other kinds of solar heating, since temperatures are low, and there's a built-in thermal mass. What would it take to keep this pool warm all winter, or to make it into a huge outdoor hot tub, in the 5,500 F degree day climate where I live, near Philadelphia? The biggest problem with solar pool heating is the cover. "Solar pool covers" have low R-values, usually not more than R1, and they are tinted blue, which keeps the sun out :-) Suppose we somehow cover the pool with a fairly rigid R-20 cover, and keep it closed all the time, except when the pool is in use. The cover might be a 20' x 20' x 6" thick panel made with 2x6s on 4' centers, with 6" of fiberglass insulation inside, and 1/4" flakeboard or galvanized sheet metal on top, with some plastic-coated shiny aluminum foil on the bottom. Innovative Insulation in Arlington, Texas, sells some shiny tough foil for mobile home roofs in 4' wide rolls for about 50 cents/ft^2. The pool cover might be hinged with a pipe along the north edge, with a counterweight, so it could easily be tilted up to the south at about a 45 degree angle. This would reflect some winter sun into the pool and reduce the wind when the cover is open, but the main pool heating would come from a 4' high x 20' long piece of vertical plastic glazing along the south edge, with an air gap behind that and some dark-colored straw bales behind that, to act as a solar air heater. Suppose the pool were surrounded by straw bales, each 16" x 16" x 36", costing $2 each, eg 40 straw bales under the pool, and another 70 bales around all the sides of the pool, to make a 4' high wall around the pool, 6" taller than the pool, with an average R-value of 20 (?) The bales around the perimeter could be stacked up and mortared together like giant concrete blocks to make a deck for the pool with a wide flat edge, and the soft underside of the cover might deform and sit on the deck to make a good seal when it is closed. The straw bales under the pool itself could be spread apart to make 8 air ducts, each 6" wide x 16" deep, running from north to south along the ground, to allow solar-warmed air from the south glazing to travel across the top of the pool, under the cover, down the north back wall of the pool, between the pool and the bales, and under the pool from north to south. This might work with passive plastic film gravity backdraft air dampers in holes at the top and bottom of the straw bales behind the glazing, but a PV-powered (-:) fan would make it work better. The whole ground area should be covered with some sort of vapor barrier, eg poly film, to keep moisture out of the straw, and the tops of the ducts below the pool should have some bridging, eg 1/8" of newspaper with 3 layers of chicken wire on top of that, and an inch of sand mix cement over that. Let's ignore the heat loss from the ducts to the ground. A shallow reflecting pool made from a single piece of 10' wide EPDM rubber roofing material over a 6" earth berm around the edge would augment the sun when frozen and keep weeds from growing up in front of the glazing. It might look like this, not to scale: ^ (open) | cccccccccccccccccccc ccccccccccccccccccccHcccccCW gggggggggggggggggg g..................P _ gggggggggggggggggg <-- S g ppppppppppppppp P gggggggggggggggggg g pppp water pppp P 4' gDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDg r ~~~~~~~~~~ g ppppppppppppppp P .........................rprrpprprprp ...................P............. |<--- 8' --->| |<--- 15' --->| P |<------ 18' ----->| key: rprprprp----ccccccccccccccccccccHcccccCW p cgsssssssssssssssssss . p is the pool r cgs ppp s . s is straw p EPDM cgs p-c- (D) -c-p HcccccCW g is glazing . rubber cgs (D) s . c is the cover . cgsp -c- (D) -c- pHcccccCW D are hot air ducts . 20' cgsp (D) ps . rp is a reflecting pool cgsp -c- (D) -c- pHcccccCW H is a hinge . cgs (D) s . P is a post . cgs p-c- (D) -c-p HcccccCW CW is a counterweight. cgs ppp s . . cgsssssssssssssssssss . rprprprp----ccccccccccccccccccccHcccccCW |<-- 8' -->|<--- 20' --->| Suppose that in winter, 1,000 Btu ft^2/day makes it into the single layer flat polycarbonate glazing, augmented 50% by the frozen reflecting pool on an average day in December. Then the solar energy input would be Ein = 1,000 x 1.5 x 4' x 20' = 120K Btu/day, Suppose that during 6 hours of sun on an average day in December, the outdoor temp is 36 F, and the pool has some sort of R0 cover that just prevents evaporation, and the air heater air and the pool water have the same temperature T. Then the energy that flows out of the pool during an average December day is Eout = 6 hours (T-36) 80 ft^2/R1 from the south glazing during the day + 18 hours (T-36) 80 ft^2/R20 from the south glazing at night + 24 hours (T-36) 400 ft^2/R20 up through the cover all day + 24 hours (T-36) 240 ft^2/R20 out through the ENW sides all day = (6x80/1 + 18x80/20 + 24x400/20 + 24x240/20) (T-36) = (480 + 72 + 480 + 288 ) (T-36) = 1320 (T-36), so if Ein = Eout for an average day, we have 1320 (T-36) = 120K or T = 36 + 120K/1320 = 126.9 degrees F. Looks good... :-) Suppose we keep the pool at 106 F, eg by allowing some of the average 30 gallons of rain per day that fall on the pool cover in PA to flow through the pool and into the reflecting pool, which would keep the pool cleaner with fewer chemicals. How much will the pool cool on a average December day with no sun? Eout = 24 hours (106-36) 80 ft^2/R20 from the south glazing all day + 24 hours (106-36) 400 ft^2/R20 up through the cover all day + 24 hours (106-36) 240 ft^2/R20 out through the ENW sides all day = (24x70x80/20 + 24x70x400/20 + 24x70x240/20) = 6,720 + 33,600 + 20,160 = 60,480 Btu. Since 1 pound of water loses 1 Btu when it cools 1 degree F, the pool temp after a day without sun would be roughly 106 - 60,480/40,000 = 104.5 F. How many 36 F days without sun would it take for the pool to reach 70 F? The pool has a thermal resistance of R = R20/720 ft^2, so its RC time constant is RC = R20/720x40,000 Btu/F = 1,111 hours or 46 days. With no sun at all, and the cover closed, the pool temperature should be about T = 36 + (106 - 36) exp(-t/46), over many days, so if T = 70, 34 = 60 exp(-t/46), or 0.57 = exp(-t/46), or t = - 46 ln(0.57) = 26 days. If it were 10 below zero outside for t days without any sun, the pool might just begin to form a thin layer of ice on top when 32 = -10 + (106-(-10)) exp(-t/46) ==> t = -46 ln(42/116) = 16.7 days. Freezing it solid from top to bottom would take another 144 Btu/lb x 40K lb = 5.76 million Btu, as the pool loses 36K Btu/day, not counting the thermal resistance of the ice layer, ie at least another 159 days with no sun, at minus 10 degrees F. Nick It's a snap to save energy in this country. As soon as more people become involved in the basic math of heat transfer and get a gut-level, as well as intellectual, grasp on how a house works, solution after solution will appear. Tom Smith ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:50:02 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Largest Prime Found (I think) I believe Euclid proved that there was no highest prime. William William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:17:43 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: A Number Challenge : ) Before I post this to the sci.math newsgroup or others, I'd like to get any suggestions from members of this, my "home group." William VERSATILE NUMBER CHALLENGE USE YOUR COMPUTER AND THIS COMPUTER PROGRAM TO FIND THE HIGHEST KNOWN VERSATILE NUMBER The first versatile numbers are: 1, 2, 4, 6, 12, 24, 36, 48, 60, 120, 180,240, 360, 720, 840, 1260, 1680, 2520, 5040,... There is no known rule for determining the next versatile. Versatile numbers are defined as numbers that have more factors than any smaller number. The highest versatile number I know of is 6,746,328,388,800. This number was found by Ramanujan in 1915. Does anyone know of a higher one? Ramanujan called them "highly composite numbers." The English mathematician Hardy said these were "as unlike a prime as any number can be." Hence, they might be thought of as "antiprimes." The highest prime number was found in 1994 by Slowinski and Gage at Cray Research: (2^859433)-1. Writing at the speed of two digits every second, it would take you 6 and a half seconds to write the highest versatile number, and 36 hours to write the highest prime. There appears to be a lot of room for improvement in our highest versatile number. Can someone with access to a fast computer use this computer program (or a better one) to find a higher versatile number than Ramanujan? Or do you know someone with access to a supercomputer? If you do, or if you make improvements to the program, please let me know. (WLauritzen@ aol.com) Feel free to send this e-mail to all your friends. If you want a copy of my paper, "The Versatility of Numbers," e-mail me. VERSATILE NUMBER PROGRAM This program finds all versatile numbers between zero and what ever number is listed in line 90 (currently set at 361) and prints them to the screen with their number of factors. A versatile number is defined as a number that has more factors than any smaller number. This program was written in BASIC. 20 LET T = 0 25 LET S = 0 26 LET H = 0 27 PRINT TAB(3); Versatile # ; TAB(17); Factors 30 IF H < S THEN LET H = S ELSE 32 31 PRINT TAB(7); T; TAB(20); H 32 LET T = T + 2 35 LET D = 1 36 LET S = 0 40 Let A = T / D 42 IF D = A THEN GOTO 80 ELSE 44 44 IF D > A THEN GOTO 30 ELSE 50 50 IF A = INT(A) THEN S = S + 2 ELSE 60 60 LET D = D + 1 70 IF D > T GOTO 30 ELSE GOTO 40 80 LET S = S + 1 90 IF T < 361 GOTO 60 100 END (Thanks for an excellent suggestion from Jim Barbour on this program.) William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 01:10:41 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Bono Organization: HiLINE Internet Services, Inc. Subject: Re: Dome chord factors In article <4ivs6g$cic@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, seabrzn@aol.com says... > >It would be much appreciated if I could get a formula to figure my own >dome chord factors. I realize Steve Mathers took the time and effort to >calculate out the chord factors for us and even gave us the formula, but I >am afraid he went a little over my head. If someone would please take a >say 3 frequency dome with a 20 foot diameter, show the formula, and then >show the numbers plugged into the formula, and then show the chord factors >it would be more appreciated than a bucket full of worms on a good fishing >day. > >TRULY ALL HELP IS APPRECIATED Try my DOME freeware. It is available at http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/domes.html The .DAT file format includes chord factors for the geodesic symmetry triangle. The source code is included if you wnat to see the underlying math. Rick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:22:16 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Synergia Comments: To: larry mintz In-Reply-To: <9603242039.AA14435@cti02.citenet.net>; from "larry mintz" at Mar 24, 96 3:38 pm larry mintz writes: > Dear Mr Ferry, > I would like to know if you are going to be marketing Synergia at BFI. > I have not heard from you in a long while. Can you please get back to me > at kabir@citenet.net. Thanks. What exactly is "Synergia? BTW, I forwarded your post to the BFI. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:19:03 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Synergia (fwd) Comments: To: bfi@aol.com larry mintz writes: > From cti02.citenet.net!citenet.net!kabir Sun Mar 24 12:39:33 1996 > Message-Id: <9603242039.AA14435@cti02.citenet.net> > X-Sender: kabir@pop.citenet.net > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 15:38:11 -0500 > To: joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com > From: larry mintz > Subject: Synergia > > Dear Mr Ferry, > > I would like to know if you are going to be marketing Synergia at BFI. > I have not heard from you in a long while. Can you please get back to me > at kabir@citenet.net. Thanks. > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:25:48 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Largest Prime Found (I think) "Nicky the Picky" (Nick Pine) pointed out: >James Fischer wrote, perhaps after > >> several more glasses of Glenfiddich than would seem reasonable... > >> 3) Now we will take all the primes and multiply them together, >> so we have 2 * 3 * 5 * ... * Z. We will call the sum "N". > >Perhaps some of those textbooks use the word "product" instead of "sum." Yes, "Sum" is the WRONG term. Nick gets a gold star. If you want 100% anal-retentive accuracy, don't look to me. If you want loyalty, get a dog. If you want guarantees, buy a toaster. ...If you want a solar-heated swimming pool, call Nick. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:25:14 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Yet another solar heated swimming pool--a correction Seems like I have to go back and fix even the simplest things, even while they are still on paper, which is a good time to do that. Perhaps this post should have stewed for a couple of days before posting, but you know how it is when you get excited about an idea, especially after a dozen espressos :-) So here's the problem, in the following paragraph--not a large enough ratio of thermal mass surface area to glazing surface area, in this solar closet. That ratio should be 10:1 or so, to keep the temperature difference between the air heater air and the thermal mass low, in this system with thermal mass indirectly heated by warm air, and make the solar collection efficient, but the glazing here is 80 is ft^2, and it's really equivalent to 120 ft^2 of solar heat, with the reflecting pool, and the round pool sides are only 165 ft^2 and the pool bottom only has about 32 ft^2 of surface exposed to the sun- warmed air, so that ratio is only 2.5:1, as posted. Nobody noticed this, altho I did get some email from someone who said he "didn't do math," but we should cover the top with PV and water heating panels and use antifreeze and pumps and pipes buried in a radiant concrete floor slab under the pool :-) Please change the following paragraph: The straw bales under the pool itself could be spread apart to make 8 air ducts, each 6" wide x 16" deep, running from north to south along the ground, to allow solar-warmed air from the south glazing to travel across the top of the pool, under the cover, down the north back wall of the pool, between the pool and the bales, and under the pool from north to south. This might work with passive plastic film gravity backdraft air dampers in holes at the top and bottom of the straw bales behind the glazing, but a PV-powered (-:) fan would make it work better. The whole ground area should be covered with some sort of vapor barrier, eg poly film, to keep moisture out of the straw, and the tops of the ducts below the pool should have some bridging, eg 1/8" of newspaper with 3 layers of chicken wire on top of that, and an inch of sand mix cement over that. Let's ignore the heat loss from the ducts to the ground. Here's a fix: forget the newspaper, make the ducts a foot wide, use 30 instead of 40 straw bales under the pool and put in 100 concrete blocks with holes in them, standing on end between the ground and the chicken wire ferrocement, to act as fins to conduct heat up to the pool bottom. Each concrete block has a surface area of about 6 ft^2 exposed to the warm air, so this way, we have 80 ft^2 of glazing and about 200 + 6*100 ft^2 of thermal mass surface area to gather heat from the warm air, ie a nice 10:1 ratio. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:24:11 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Curt Flowers Organization: University of Illinois - AISS, CSD Subject: Re: Dome chord factors Rick, I get a "404 Not Found" when I try the URL mentioned below. As URL resolution is very picky about spelling, might some of the letters listed below be incorrect? Anyway, my interest: I wrote a program deacades ago (on punch cards, as I recall) to produce chord factors and am curious as to how others have coded the computations. In article <4j4rqh$jsi@mercury.hiline.net> rjbono@cris.com (Rick Bono) writes: >From: rjbono@cris.com (Rick Bono) >Subject: Re: Dome chord factors >Date: 25 Mar 1996 01:10:41 GMT >In article <4ivs6g$cic@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, seabrzn@aol.com says... >> >>It would be much appreciated if I could get a formula to figure my own >>dome chord factors. I realize Steve Mathers took the time and effort to >>calculate out the chord factors for us and even gave us the formula, but I >>am afraid he went a little over my head. If someone would please take a >>say 3 frequency dome with a 20 foot diameter, show the formula, and then >>show the numbers plugged into the formula, and then show the chord factors >>it would be more appreciated than a bucket full of worms on a good fishing >>day. >> >>TRULY ALL HELP IS APPRECIATED >Try my DOME freeware. It is available at http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/domes.html >The .DAT file format includes chord factors for the geodesic symmetry triangle. >The source code is included if you wnat to see the underlying math. >Rick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:27:45 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Dome chord factors Comments: cc: Synergetics List In-Reply-To: ; from "Curt Flowers" at Mar 25, 96 2:24 pm Curt Flowers writes: > Anyway, my interest: I wrote a program deacades ago (on punch cards, as I > recall) to produce chord factors and am curious as to how others have coded > the computations. Would you be willing to post your code? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:50:07 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SYNERGIA SOFTWARE Comments: cc: Synergetics List SYNERGIA On 19 Jan 1996 Larry Mintz posted the following: QUOTE: Subject: Synergia -Bucky Fuller Software for Windows Synergia: The hypertext version of the _Operating Manual For The Spaceship Earth_ with other goodies! * Can view multiple chapters & follow links in each chapter simultaneously. * Comes with a Database Diary. * Can use a modem. * Comes with new material. * Nice graphics too! * An electronic address book too. Can store text and graphics. Price :$49.95 CDN. Student with card $24.95. Requirements: 386/33 or greater CPU 4 Megs RAM 10 Megs Hard disk space 1 2.5 inch disk drive Interested? Send cash, cheque, or MO to: Larry Mintz c/o Geodesic Software 6625 Mackle Road, # 604 Montreal H4W 2Z8 CANADA END QUOTE. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:57:55 -0500 Reply-To: OREGDOME Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: OREGDOME Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Cascade Domes If you try to hit the web sites listed for Cascade Domes, you'll find Oregon Dome's under-construction web page. Cascade Domes, I'm told, was a metal shop that landed a government contract large enough to cause it to stop producing domes (I don't think that they ever produced a large number of domes). Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. BTW: The address that I've seen listed for Cascade Domes is also wrong. That is the address of their (and our) internet provider). I don't have a current address for them, but may be able to get a hold of them through our internet folks ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:01:47 -0500 Reply-To: SEABRZN Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: SEABRZN Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Dome Book 1 Does anyone have an idea where I can find a copy of Dome Book 1. All help is very much appreciated. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:32:52 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Yet another solar heated swimming pool--enhancements Nick Pine wrote: >The straw bales under the pool itself could be spread apart to make 8 air >ducts, each 6" wide x 16" deep, running from north to south... >Here's a fix: forget the newspaper, make the ducts a foot wide, use 30 instead >of 40 straw bales under the pool and put in 100 concrete blocks with holes in >them, standing on end between the ground and the chicken wire ferrocement, to >act as fins to conduct heat up to the pool bottom... Better yet, forget the ducts and cement blocks and ferrocement, just build the platform from strawbales and use a tiny pump and a 20' x 4' length of SolaRoll, the EPDM rubber swimming pool tube-mat collector, under the south edge vertical glazing. Better yet, forget the store-bought pool and put a treated wood 2x4 frame around the straw bales and line an 18' x 12' x 4' inner cavity with a single piece of 20' wide EPDM rubber, folded up like a Chinese takeout box, so it has no seams. Better yet, make the solar collector out of another single piece of EPDM rubber folded once into a 4' high x 12' long x 1" thick vertical V, with the sides and top sealed in a 2x4 sandwich with silicone caulk between the rubber sheets, a la Sven Tjernagel's 470 Pennsylvania site-built solar collectors, (some still going strong), but vertical vs slanted, and filled with water, vs a trickle down system, with some chicken wire under the north sides of the 2x4 to limit the rubber bulging, and some glazing screwed to the south sides of the 2x4s. Better yet, make an 20' wide x 16' long x 16' tall cube with 4 of these 20 x 8 x 8' boxes, using 2 16' long x 8' tall site-built EPDM collectors on the south face, 2 6 gpm pumps each having an 8' head capability, and 4 internal water cavities, each 16' long x 8' wide x 6' deep, to store 24,576 gallons of water at 130 F, ie 10 million Btu of solar heat for a nearby house for a whole cloudy winter. This might be nice under a 16' x 16' walkout deck, on the west side of a house... If one were going to drink the water, the inner tank liners might better be pond liner material, not EPDM, and the collectors might contain propylene glycol "edible antifreeze," with a heat exchanger inside the tanks. The pumps could be PV-powered of course. ("Bad move," says Sven Tjernagel :-) Nick It's a snap to save energy in this country. As soon as more people become involved in the basic math of heat transfer and get a gut-level, as well as intellectual, grasp on how a house works, solution after solution will appear. Tom Smith ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:58:55 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Robert A. Hettinga" Organization: e$ Subject: Re: "Geodesic Networking"? Issue Boots To All Troops... Hi, everyone! Just rooting around in my "full group list" in Newswatcher, and here you are! And *then* I see *this*. In article <199603210537.AAA14486@crucible.inmind.com>, James Fischer wrote: | Patrick Salsbury was nice enough to forward, but had nothing | to do with the creation of the following: | | >Practically my only rant these days is about how the exponential collapse of | >microprocessor prices has mutated our communication structures, and thus our | >social structures. Hey! That's me! Unattributed, but thus is life on the net... In begging for equal time, for the "boots" remark, please take a look at the e$ homepage. Yes. I rant... I also answered these remarks elsewhere. And I'll handle them here in another post. In the meantime, all the "geodesic network" rants, most of them about e$, technical a digital dollar securely transacted on an unsecure (dare I say "geodesic", stolen from a *horrors* management consultant, Peter Huber, by way of Bucky) network, can be found at: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/e$ If there's call for it, I can just post the whole "geodesic network" series, in little bits... This all started with a 20k rant I wrote for apple-internet-users, called "The Geodesic Network, OpenDoc, and Cyberdog", which went *all* over the place, and ended up, quite reduced in a full-page opinion article in InfoWorld. I'll go after this egregious libel on my good name ;-), in another post... Cheers, Bob Hettinga -- Robert Hettinga e$ 44 Farquhar Street Boston, MA 02131 The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:18:52 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Robert A. Hettinga" Organization: e$ Subject: Re: "Geodesic Networking"? Issue Boots To All Troops... In article <199603210537.AAA14486@crucible.inmind.com>, James Fischer wrote: | Funny how so many people think that the technology drives | the social environment. This tale is a tail wagging the dog. | If it were true, there would be no such thing as an "idea | ahead of its time". Since this is a Buckminster Fuller | oriented group, I don't need to point out the obvious example, | do I? Actually you do. Reality is not optional. Path dependancy, forgive me, is a crock. If something works, it sells. The better it works, the more it sells. Pure and simple. If it sells enough, the world changes. "Sticky points" in the adoption curve of a better technology are usually a function of either the technology itself, the transmission of information about the technology, or government regulation of a marketplace, and probably all three, especially if the technology represents a major change in the way the world works. Technology is predicated upon reality, and society is predicated on technology, no matter what we all wish would happen. For instance, public education, even "jobs", are an industrial phenomenon. They didn't exist until we had requirements for centralized production. Centralized production brought about, I like to claim, by hierarchical networks, with expensive "switches" (people) and cheap lines, not by the industrial technologies themselves. Economies of scale are caused by the need to centralize information, and thus resources, in a single place. When you don't need to centralize the information, you don't need to centralize resources. It's that simple. | Yawn... this sort of management-consultant doublespeak | is just fog to cloud the reality. I'm not a management consultant, but I play one on TV. ;-). I just write rants on the net. | Interpersonal networks | by nature are random. Current organizational networks | are also mostly random, since the current merger/downsizing | /spin-off/buy-out craze takes whatever structures worked for | specific different groups, and tosses them all into the | high-speed Waring Blender of "interim" organizations. Of course they're random. But this is orthogonal to the issue I'm discussing. My contention is that a lot of this "Waring Blender" effect is uncertainty caused by the change of societal networks from the strongly enforced social hierarchies we have adopted since the advent of high speed communications, like telegraphy and early telephony, to more geodesic organizational structures brought about by the price collapse of automated information switching based on microprocessors. I don't know what it all means, but I bet we're probably going to walk back "down" the hierarchies we've built during the industrial age, which by the way, was part of the original posting's title. :-). This is especially true if, as I believe, we can get the same benefits in terms of quality of life (especially increasing lifespan, which, in my opinion, is the bedrock statistic of "progress" as we currently understand it) that we currently have. Reality is not optional. Path dependancy is a myth. | Bottom line - absolute and utter chaos is the current | "structure" for nearly every commerical "orgainzation" | that exists today. Call it what you like - it is a mess. Absolutely. I see a time where we have peer-to-peer high-speed cash-settlement auction markets, chaotic processes all, for everything from stock ownership to, and I'm not kidding, packet switching at the router level. | Calling it anything other than a mess shows either a lack | of candor or a lack of leadership skills in the people who | SHOULD be leading the way out of the mess. Calling it | anything other than a mess means that there is no | intention of even attempting to lead the way out of the | mess, and may indicate a willingness to make things worse! Leadership is again, orthogonal to the type of communication, and thus social structure. There is evidence that decentralized organizations make better decisions than centralized ones, for instance, but that's an information process, not "leadership". | Huh? At the "home office" alone, the Catholics had a Pope, | Cardinals, Bishops, and multiple levels of support staff | since day one. Looks like more than 3 levels, even if one | presumes that God did not show up for staff meetings in | person. I have no idea how many levels it was down to | the local priest, but it could not have been "3 levels". I got beat up elsewhere for this one, and I am on thin ice, but here goes. On a pure job-title basis, which is admittedly a hack, I know, we have (1) the Pope, who is technically a bishop (the Bishop of Rome) with extraordinary power, which I'll give to you anyway. Then we have (2) bishops. A cardinal is just a special kind of bishop, specifically, he can elect a pope. Remember the "College of Cardinals"? Abbesses, Abbots, etc., are just (3) priests. So, by the way, are priests. :-). The laity don't count. They're customers. ;-). God's the product. :-). | >The Roman Empire, slaves and all, was never more than 4 or so. | | Also simply not true! The Roman Empire was much more top heavy. | The Israelites copied the Roman Legion model for their march from | Egypt to the Promised Land: We'll ignore the fact that the Roman empire existed long after Moses died for a moment, and I'll try my hand at roman hierarchy, also another sloppy hack, for which I hang my head in shame... We have (1) the emperor (which arose shortly after *Jesus'* time, BTW), who ended up a managerial level by himself, but who is organizationally descended from the dictator, a (2) senator given temporary absolute power (remember Ceasar, who was killed because he wanted permanent power?) for a term of 2 years. Then we have (3) the equestrian class, judges, army officers (We'll ignore the army to my enduring shame, even though *they* had three levels) senior bureaucrats, etc., and then (4) the ordinary free people, in various forms, citizen or not. (5) Slaves, of course, were property, but I counted them in a moment of weakness. By way of weaseling out of this, it seems to me that at the end of the empire, the emperor effectively replaced the senate, because all members of the equestrian class swore loyalty to the emperor, which brings us back to 4 levels. We all have to remember that the "job", as we currently understand it, is only 200 years old, and an industrial construct. Organizational hierarchies, like the above, were the exception, not the rule, until then. | >Cities, creatures of the invention of writing... | | Now the author is re-writing history! I am *not*. Ask any anthropologist. Cities were "invented" in China, and in the Nile, Indus and Tigris/Euphrates valleys almost exactly at the time writing was invented in those cultures. | The author goes on, heaping speculation upon half-truth to Well, speculation, anyway... ;-) | My points about the INSULT TO BUCKY of using the term ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Do you think Bucky would appreciate your deification, here? | 1) "Geodesic Organization" is a polite way of saying | that the organization in question has no leadership, | or that the leadership has stopped leading. Either | way, it is a clear message to employees to forget | any dreams about being promoted into management, | which is no longer staffed by people who worked | their way up, learning the business in the process, | but by low-cost expendable MBAs, ink barely dry on | their diplomas. You sound more like a victim of the process I'm talking about than someone who's learned to survive in the new environment. The point is, you can't go home again. You can't wish hierarchy back, just like you can't wish back the devine right of kings. By the way, MBAs are the penultimate construct of a hierarchical education system, which breeds credentialism as a way to make people interchangable at the same level in hierarchical organizations. In a geodesic network, information is surfacted away from information hierarchy, and becomes more available to everyone. If you need to figure something out, just look it up. You don't need a degree to prove you know something, you need to prove you know it by doing the thing itself. Experience, in other words. | 2) In a "Geodesic Organization", the reality is that | one is forced to endure "structural socialism" in | that it does not reward success, effort, or excellence. | Everyone on "carpet row" at the ball-bearing company | makes over $250,000 a year, and works on things like | buying an ice-cream company or some such nonsense. | | The ball-bearing operation? It is left to its own | devices, since management figured out that there will | always be enough people who will put out the extra | effort to keep the operation profitable, simply | because they take pride in themselves and their work. We're really in agreement, here, but you're talking about a hierarchical organization, and not a geodesic organization. A geodesic organization forms for a project and then disbands after it's done. Geodesic production happens closer and closer to the demand, with resources following the information out into the "edges" of the network. | 3) Leaders still exist. It is easy to tell one from the | more common non-leader. Leaders lead! Leaders tell | their people what the big picture looks like, and ask | what he/she needs to do to help the workers make things | happen. Leadership is still necessary. People with ideas lead. People without ideas follow or get out of the way until *they* have an idea. Your discription of mighty captains of industry, where one person thinks for 10,000 is quaint at best. Look at the old Soviet Union for your counterexample. | The use of the term "Geodesic Organization" | is nothing but another management fad, which is a | clear indicator of lack of leadership. Leaders see | "management fads" as distractions, and do not suffer | the fools who use such buzzwords gladly. Certainly I have an unfortunate tendency to neologism. And, if you call something new a "fad", then it's a fad. I expect that this "fad" has legs, however, and will last longer than you or I will. | 4) If you have ever been blessed by working for an actual ^^^^^^^ "blessed"? | LEADER, | | I am of the personal opinion that leadership is a good thing, | if in fact one is lead by a person with leadership SKILLS. Me too, but I don't think of leadership as just another interchangable industrial "part". All those exploding conglomerates in the early 70's proved that. However, as I say, it's orthogonal to my point... | The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. | Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. Well, at least we agree on that score. Cheers, Bob Hettinga -- Robert Hettinga e$ 44 Farquhar Street Boston, MA 02131 The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:32:55 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Robert A. Hettinga" Organization: e$ Subject: The Geodesic Network, OpenDoc, and CyberDog I'm only going to post this one. I swear. This is the article which started the whole "geodesic network" series. It was originally sent to the apple-internet-users e-mail list in late August, and it was copied over to a bunch of other Macintosh lists, and eventually a truncated version went into InfoWorld's November 6th, 1995 issue. The whole mess of e$ rants can be found on the e$ home page, the URL for which is in my .sig. Cheers, Bob Hettinga -------------------------------------- The Geodesic Network, OpenDoc, and CyberDog Robert Hettinga Shipwright Development Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 Comments: rah@shipwright.com Everyone remembers the old saw , "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." These days, I think see nails everywhere. Here's why. Almost a decade ago, now, in one of my more entrepreneurial moments, I read Peter Huber's 1986 "The Geodesic Network", the US Government Printing Office version of his report to Judge Green, the judge who broke up the Bell System, on the status of the breakup and what Huber thought the next steps should be. Peter Huber's a smart guy. Doctorate from MIT, JD from Harvard. Wrote a great book about junk science and tort law. The upshot of Huber's report was a polite version of "Deregulate 'em all and let God sort 'em out". It took 10 years, but Regional Bell Operating Companies are now (not too successfully) competing in the information services business, and it looks like it's a matter of time before the last bastion of the telephonic monopoly, the local central office, will be utterly deregulated and competing for its customers like every other business. The reason Huber gave for his conclusion was something called Moore's Law, more of an observation, really, named for Gordon Moore, who was one of the founders of Intel. Moore figured out something that is painfully obvious to anyone who's bought a computer: the cost of some given semiconductor "horsepower" falls by half over a very short period time: every 18 months when Moore first looked at it. You would think that Moore's Law would bottom out eventually, but it's hard to see that any time soon. Moore himself figured that it would happen around 1980 or so, and if anything, this "half-life" of semiconductors has decreased since. It's now half every 12 months. That means that your brand-new whizzy PowerPC-604-based Mac could be worth half what you paid for it in as little as a year. Moore's Law is why Guy Kawasaki wrote in one of his columns a few years ago that smart people start saving for the next computer the day after they buy the one they have. This implosion of the price of microprocessors really got Huber's attention. Telephone switches are microprocessors. Because the cost of switches (operators) was so expensive, and because lines were much cheaper in comparison, the telephone system was originally set up as a hierarchy. Operators switched long distance calls up the network's hierarchy and then back down to complete a call. The further a call had to go, the higher up the "root" structure of the net the call had to go. The faster "switches", or rooms with more operators, were at the top. Remember that picture from the 1920's with an operator supervisor on roller-skates supervising hundreds of operator switchboards? So, this couldn't go on forever, people cost too much just to switch phone calls, and switching evolved from electromechanical (pulses, or "clicks") to transistors (tones) to semiconductors. Shockley, the guy who invented the transistor, worked for Bell Labs, remember? With the advent of semiconductors, you could build really small switches. You could even build one called a Private Branch Exchange, or PBX for short, which really just put a small central office on your premises, if your company was big enough. Once companies could switch their own calls, however, all bets were off. The was no reason you couldn't just string a bunch of private lines between your headquarters and your branches and build your own minature version of the long-distance network. You then wondered how you could lower the costs of your private lines, and you couldn't, because you were buying them from a telephone monopoly. There wasn't any competition for long distance direct lines between a company's various PBXs, much less switched traffic, which is how most normal long distance calls are handled. We all know where this went: MCI sued AT&T, and Judge Green broke up the network. He hired Peter Huber three years later, who looked at all these switches, *and* their collapsing prices, and decided that instead of lines being cheaper than nodes (switches), which necessitated a hierarchical network, things were the reverse, and accellerating with a vengence. In other words, the network had changed from a "root"-like hierarchy to another familiar network, the network of lines and nodes one finds in Bucky Fuller's geodesic domes, or, as Huber called it, a "Geodesic Network", which is what he titled his report to Judge Green. In a geodesic network, there is no up or down. A packet of information could be going through a switch in any direction, in and out of any line. The information content of the network is so huge that if it were concentrated at any one node, or switch, the switch couldn't be built big enough to hold it all. It would choke. You can see the rise of the geodesic network model in all sorts of things (remember what I said about everything looking like a nail?), the ubiquitous computing stuff they're doing at Xerox PARC is the most famous example, and my favorite really outrageous one is the capital markets and the financial system, particularly when you look at the long term consequences of digital bearer certificates like digital cash, or digital stocks and bonds. Anyway, my favorite analogy (and you can see I use way too many as it is ;-)) for the effect of microprocessors on information is that of a surfactant: plain old soap. Like the Dawn commercial, where a drop of dish soap breaks those big grease globs into smaller and smaller pieces until they seem to disappear, Moore's Law does the same thing to information, and by extension, information hierarchies. Now it seems that information hierarchies are the central fact of modern life, and everything from governments to corporations to practically any organization imaginable evolves into one when it gets big enough. However, let's dance around the sociology a bit here and apply this strictly to software on the internet, which is the mother of all geodesic networks, specifically the internet as a glaring exception to the rule of organization as information hierarchy. There is of course, sizable argument about whether the internet is in fact organized, but it is organized, and it is because it is out of control that it works. In fact, Keven Kelly's excellent book, called, ironically ;-), "Out of Control", speaks precisely to that point. Kelly talks about organization "emerging" from chaotic circumstances, about biological analogs to this, like a beehive, and about why the net works. It's a great read, and I reccommend it highly. When I went to the recent Boston MacWorld, to get into the exhibits free (and to get a free lunch in the process), one of my friends, who's a VAR, signed me up to an Apple product road show as an "associate". I mean, I am an associate of his, and I do send my systems integration hardware buys through him, so I was probably even legit, in a backhanded sort of way. Now, I'm a Certified MacBigot*, but I haven't been paying much attention to microcomputer markets much in the last year or so because I've focused so much of my time on the net, in particular, on internet commerce. I have gotten to the point that where the net is the only thing that gets me really fired up creatively. To paraphrase Gibson a little, sometimes I think that hardware as just "meat"; the Real Stuff is on the net. It's certainly true the thrill is gone. Used to be, when you went to MacWorld, you saw at least one thing which really surprised you, because you couldn't have imagined that it could even exist. Now, when you go to MacWorld, you see something which has been announced for months, or years, in advance, and is usually just a new wrinkle on an old thing. Not so on the internet. You have everything from news and mail groups to the web, discussing everything from why the Brits have the new Babylon-5 episodes and we don't, to digital cash and cryptoanarchy. For someone with the attention span of a gnat, like me, the net is heaven. You can pretty quickly find the bleeding edge of some new field, get spun up in a few weeks and actually ask intellegent questions, and even make a conceptual contribution or two, if you bring something new to the table. Things are changing so fast that everyone's knowlege gets retreaded almost yearly.Thank you, Mr. Moore. I used to think, "if only you could get paid to do this stuff", and now, it's beginning to look like you can. With the advent of internet commerce, someday pretty soon you'll be able to live anywhere you want, and sell what you do, or what you think, even, to anyone, anywhere. For cash. The ganglia twitch. I love this place. So. I'm in MacWorld, marvelling at how the outrigger on some of the new PCI PowerMacs allows you to tilt the whole guts of the machine away from the motherboard so you can plug memory into it, (to loud applause ;-), and the next thing they talk about is OpenDoc. I've heard about OpenDoc, but remember I've been a net.head for the past year and a half, I've given up arguing with idiots about why the Mac is Better then Windows, and my MacWeeks get a cursory glance, if at all, anymore: Hardware is Meat, and all that. So the guy demos a clock part, and then a database part, and then a chart part, and light dawns on Marblehead: and epiphany worthy of O.Henry. What I'm looking at in OpenDoc is geodesic software. The code only gets used when it's needed, just like that surfacted information on a geodesic network. It can point to a process or information anywhere, on your machine, down the hall, in New South Wales, anywhere. That's nothing new, of course. McNeally(sp) of Sun has said the "network is the computer" for a decade or more, and we're still wrestling with stuff like CORBA to get it all organized and under control, and no one has figured out how to really implement the object model on an enterprize-wide basis and all of that gark, and meanwhile I'm looking it all in the face, right here at MacWorld, between bites of a ham and cheese sandwich. The beauty of OpenDoc is that it doesn't have to be organized, or more precisely, controlled . The user picks his parts and puts them together, the user figures out what he wants to see, the developer has no idea what his OpenDoc part is going to actually be used for , doesn't care too much about what it interacts with besides what it needs to run, and only cares about what his part does . Organization from chaos. I immediately had all kinds of ideas for this OpenDoc stuff. My pet one is navigation. You know, like, boats? It's easy to see how under OpenDoc, a chart is a compound document. There can be parts for meridians (the lines for latitude, longitude, even loran time differences), transponders (depth, wind, location like GPS), courses, contours (depth and elevation lines, isobars), and marks (bouys, landmarks, other boats), and pictures (clouds, rain, water temperature stuff from NOAA). Superimpose them on one compound document, and bingo, a living, breathing picture of where you are right now, with live information from wherever it comes from: NOAA, the instruments on your boat, other boats, the bouys in the water, wherever. All lit up like this, I then went to see a friend who works at Apple. When I was a graduate student at Chicago in the middle 80's, I used to work midnight to eight in the morning at the computation center. I spent a lot of time in my office smoking baseball-bat cigars, eating pizza with everything, reading usenet news, and chatting with a high school crony in Dublin. It was a lot of fun then, but I got a real job in Boston, and I hadn't really messed with the net since. My friend was the one who got me back on to the net a year or so ago, by making me buy Adam Engst's book, the "Internet Starter Kit for Macintosh". So, when I see my friend, holed up in an Apple computer lab at the Parker House Hotel, I told him about my little epiphany with OpenDoc, and all he said was "CyberDog". At that point, I went into grinnin' fool mode. Now, I remember people talking, and even skimming over articles, about CyberDog, Apple's OpenDoc environment for the internet, and I thought at the time that Apple was trying to write a Yet Another Netscape Killer. I'd even read the various articles on Apple-Internet-Users about it. Now, with geodesic "hammer" in hand, all I could see was nails: I could see that CyberDog isn't a Netscape killer at all, any more than OpenDoc is a Word 6 killer. It's Moore's law come to internet applications. It's a code surfactant, breaking software up into smaller and smaller pieces, enabling it to exist in more and more remote places, making it more and more ubiquitous, more uncontrolled, more inefficient, and more powerful, and, paradoxically, more organized, in the emergent fashion of Kelly's "Out of Control". The internet, a creature of Moore's Law, has always had applications like this. When I got my copy of Adam's book, they were all there. Fetch, NewsWatcher, TurboGopher, Eudora. InterSLIP. ("Dating" myself, though it's only been 14 months) Mosaic was too big, so you had to download it yourself. Netscape hadn't been released, but eventually it would dwarf even Mosaic. Why? Because Netscape and Mosaic were web-browsers, and because although HTML is itself a kind of compound document architecture, albeit a very primative one, it was never actually designed to be one, it just grew into the role. The problem Netscape is, as we've said here already, even though it tries to use helper apps in a quasi-parts fashion, is just a web-browser. It's like the meridian part (the latitude and longitude lines) in my example about a compound navigation document. You need it under everything, so that you can tell where you are, and the other parts can array themselves in relation to it, but it doesn't need to do all the stuff that all the other apps do. Netscape, like the any node in a geodesic software network, will choke on all the code if it tries to control it all at once. As we all know, a geodesic network, like the internet itself, will automatically route around bottlenecks. Now, there are other architectures out there, not the least of which is OLE, ostensibly a compound document architecture, but is in reality Microsoft's bus for linking all its "Office" applications, and thus trying to create with it a super-app which is supposed to be the software equivalent of kudzu, choking all its competition out of the water. OLE may do more to increase the market for Pentium chips than any marketer at Intel ever dreamed, but I don't think that it's going to do what Microsoft hopes. I think that Microsoft is barking up the wrong tree for two reasons: One, if it plays its historic "dog in the manger" role of controlling code to its own advantage, it will eventually collapse under the load of trying to write it all. Word 6 is a good case in point, and it's just a word processor. Two, if Microsoft actually opens up OLE to the rest of the world, by improving it so it works better, and by improving its developer evangelism, including not saving the juicy bits for its own developers first, then Microsoft gets its application code base broken up just like a big glob of grease in dishwater breaks up when the soap hits it. Microsoft goes back to being an operating system company, sans the efforts of Mses Clinton, Reno, Bingaman, et. al. Which is why I think the idea of OpenDoc on the internet, and by extension the CyberDog project, is very interesting. I expect that there will be a Netscape OpenDoc part, just like there will be parts for every Mac normal internet app, like Newswatcher, for instance. The people on the mcip list (the Macintosh Cryptography Interface Project) are talking about a PGP part as soon as PGP 3.0, which is modularized, comes out. I can see how internet commerce parts, like parts for First Virtual, or Cybercash, or more important, how MacEcash, Digicash's digital cash app, could be converted into an OpenDoc part for CyberDog. Just drag your coins out the Ecash part's window and drop them on the cash register icon in the Netscape SSL-protected form (or IPSEC-protected, security's just a part, remember). It gets worse, however. Remember how Moore's law drove the terminal-host model to client-server? Are you ready for peer-to-peer on steroids, for server-server? In a twisted parody of Huey "Kingfish" Long's campaign slogan of "Every man a king", we're looking at everybody a server. In a geodesic model for software, concentrations of code are surfacted away by the ubiquity of the processors on hand for the job. We already know about farming out ray-tracing on a network of graphic Macs, one machine acting as a massively parallel parasite of unused computer cycles on other machines. Even this is too hierarchical, too top-down. The cypherpunks, a "electronic mail list of cryptographers, hackers, and mathemeticians" according to the Wall Street Journal, are at this moment cracking yet another rediculuously small keyspace that Netscape is forced to use to encrypt foriegn credit card transactions, to prove that the State department regulations calling cryptography a munition, the ITARs, are hopelessly out of date, and that anybody can read international web-traffic with ease. A participant's machine links to the server running the search, requests a block of keyspace to search, searches it, and sends back whether it's found the key. The key server just keeps track of the processing. The processing is actually done by the hundreds of machines requesting keyspace to search. Nobody's in charge here. The machine with the keyspace to be searched isn't telling the machines searching the keyspace how to do it. Any machine can be a keyspace server or a keyspace processor, depending upon the circumstances. One more thing. The machine which finds the key actually gets a reward of about 450 of Digicash's beta digital cash certificates, called Cyberbucks, or c$ for short, which are currently trading at US$5/c$100, or 5 cents per, and this is a horse of a different color entirely. Digicash did not anticipate a secondary market for it's nonreplicable certificates, which evidently are being given a cash value on their electronic uniqueness and secure transmissability alone. People are actually buying physical stuff. A major example was a "This T-shirt is a Munition" shirt, printed with the RSA algorithm in 4 lines of PERL and in machine-readable barcode, bought from a server in Great Britian by someone in the US, who will be importing something he can't then export, or even show to a foriegn national without breaking the law. All with these "beta" certificates Digicash had no idea would be traded. Welcome to the future, Apple. It is easy to see how people who create things can get paid in a geodesic market like this. It's easy to see how people can be paid for their knowlege of something in particular. It's easy to see how, with teleoperation, even machine operators (like surgeons!) can get paid. It's easy to see that, like the factory jobs did to the farms and to the domestic staffs of the world, people would rather work here than where they worked before, which is all too often an office full of grey cubicles. I hope that Apple, which has done it's own imitation of the dog in the manger on occasion, and who fortunately can't hold a candle to Microsoft in that department, will figure out two things: First, 30% of the microcomputers hooked into the net are Macs, and the Macintosh way of doing things is the reason for that. Second, the people who write either client or server code for those net.macs are about to get paid, directly, by their customers, and eventually get paid in cash, for their their efforts. A lot of money's going to be out there for the company selling those developers the tools and the standards to do their jobs, as long as Apple realizes that they're not marketing transactions here, that they're marketing relationships, and that they have to avoid hogging all the code for themselves. That dog won't hunt. It's too busy keeping the cows out of the manger. A geodesic network routes around all obstructions. Cheers, Bob Hettinga -- Robert Hettinga e$ 44 Farquhar Street Boston, MA 02131 The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 02:02:56 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Bono Organization: HiLINE Internet Services, Inc. Subject: Re: Dome chord factors In article , cjflower@uiuc.edu says... > >Rick, I get a "404 Not Found" when I try the URL mentioned below. As URL >resolution is very picky about spelling, might some of the letters listed >below be incorrect? > >Anyway, my interest: I wrote a program deacades ago (on punch cards, as I recall) >to produce chord factors and am curious as to how others have coded the >computations. > Doh! Sorry! Try http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/html/domes.html The source code in C++ is included in the package so that you can review the method. It is straight from Kenner's "Geodesic Math and How to Use It" with a few minor corrections. Rick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:13:41 +0000 Reply-To: tombruno@shout.net Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Bruno, Thomas A." Organization: Thomas A. Bruno And Associates Subject: Re: Yet another solar heated swimming pool Nick Pine wrote: > > So, I'm looking at the $450 15' diameter x 42" deep swimming pool in the 1993 > Spring/Summer J C Penny catalog, which would contain about 619 cubic feet of [much deleted] What about the straw rotting? What about rodents? What about compression of the straw under the pool? -- Thomas A. Bruno; Champaign/Urbana, Illinois Voice:217.328.6000; Fax 217.328.6765 Visit my web page at http://www.shout.net/~tombruno/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:08:40 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: "Geodesic Networking"? Issue HIP WADERS!! Robert A. Hettinga decided to offer some comments upon my comments upon his observations, as follows: I said: >| Funny how so many people think that the technology drives >| the social environment. This tale is a tail wagging the dog. >| If it were true, there would be no such thing as an "idea >| ahead of its time". Since this is a Buckminster Fuller >| oriented group, I don't need to point out the obvious example, >| do I? > >Actually you do. OK, since you ask, Bucky's ideas were "ahead of their time", and were anything but "successful in the market". The social environment was not ready for him. It may still not be. To regulars on this e-mail list, this is obvious. >Reality is not optional. Path dependancy, forgive me, is a crock. This is a non-sequitur. It also seems to be an attempt to position my comments as being somehow not based upon reality. Rather poor form. Also rather poor spelling :) - "dependency". >If something works, it sells. The better it works, the more it >sells. Pure and simple. If it sells enough, the world changes. "Sticky >points" in the adoption curve of a better technology are usually a >function of either the technology itself, the transmission of information >about the technology, or government regulation of a marketplace, and >probably all three, especially if the technology represents a major change >in the way the world works. Professor Henry Petroski of Duke Univ. has spent his life looking at such issues, and is a recognized expert in the area. Read his books "The Pencil" and "The Evolution Of Useful Things" for several hundred pages of clear proof why your basic assumption is wrong. Things do NOT "sell" until social factors are in place to make adoption of the technology possible. >Technology is predicated upon reality, and society is predicated on >technology, no matter what we all wish would happen. Once again, this basic point is false. I could point out other examples, but I will again simply offer nearly every one of Bucky's inventions as proof. >For instance, public education, even "jobs", are an industrial phenomenon. >They didn't exist until we had requirements for centralized production. The entire concept of a "University" was established prior to any sort of industrial development and/or centralized production. Check out Plato. He was a "public school teacher". Where was centralized production back then? It did not yet exist. As for "jobs", they existed long before centralized production existed. Some wages were paid in salt (a rare item at the time), which is where the term "salary" came from. It is reasonable to resume that anyone paid a "salary" had a "job". >Centralized production brought about, I like to claim, by hierarchical >networks, with expensive "switches" (people) and cheap lines, not by >the industrial technologies themselves. Say what? If you mean that people being close together allowed them to participate in centralized production AND created the need for centralized (mass)production of goods, then you are supporting the generally accepted opinion that social factors are key, and technology adpotion follows it. This conflicts with your statements above, which I took to be your basic position. Why are you debating the point if we are in agreement? >Economies of scale are caused by the need to centralize information, >and thus resources, in a single place. When you don't need to >centralize the information, you don't need to centralize resources. >It's that simple. "Economies of scale" have been decentralized for centuries. The main social factor that drove the engine of large-scale production of single items was the evolution of trade between far-off people. Silk and spices are two good examples of market segments that became games of "economy of scale". This was going on since before the time of Christ. The "information" was in no way centralized. In fact, news and "information" was better spread as a side-effect of the profit-seeking traders. The quanities (and hence economies of scale) were driven by the discovery of a large market elsewhere. >| Yawn... this sort of management-consultant doublespeak >| is just fog to cloud the reality. > >I'm not a management consultant, but I play one on TV. ;-). I just write >rants on the net. > >| Interpersonal networks >| by nature are random. Current organizational networks >| are also mostly random, since the current merger/downsizing >| /spin-off/buy-out craze takes whatever structures worked for >| specific different groups, and tosses them all into the >| high-speed Waring Blender of "interim" organizations. > >Of course they're random. But this is orthogonal to the issue I'm >discussing. No, you were ranting on about "Geodesic Networks" as a organizational structure, when there is no such animal. My point that they are random, and becoming more random all the time, is the central argument I offered to rebut your statements. Therefore, it is a valid issue to consider. >My contention is that a lot of this "Waring Blender" effect is >uncertainty caused by the change of societal networks from the strongly >enforced social hierarchies we have adopted since the advent of high speed >communications, like telegraphy and early telephony, to more geodesic >organizational structures brought about by the price collapse of automated >information switching based on microprocessors. Sorry, but microprocessors were not even a part of the deal. The causes are greed, an incentive system for corporate management that rewards short-term thinking, and the availability of worthless financial instruments, such as "junk bonds" to underwrite debt issues that simply make no sense. The "Waring Blender" is the result of specific STUPID actions, not social trends or better technology. And there's that term again. PLEASE, let's not misuse the term "Geodesic" by mis-applying it. >I don't know what it all means, I am in agreement with you here :) >but I bet we're probably going to walk back "down" the hierarchies >we've built during the industrial age, which by the way, was part of the >original posting's title. :-). This is especially true if, as I believe, >we can get the same benefits in terms of quality of life (especially >increasing lifespan, which, in my opinion, is the bedrock statistic of >"progress" as we currently understand it) that we currently have. Ah yes, the electronic cottage, the abandonment of the cities, the return to the land, the whole neo-Jeffersonian image of the philosopher/farmer. This scenario is just a tad pastoral for my taste, since it ignores the poor, the disenfranchised, and the roughly 97% of the world's population, who have not participated in the developments you discuss, since they are still living in the "dark ages". Ever been to China and Tibet? The term "serf" applies quite well to most of the people who live and farm the land. Even Mao did not make a change in their lives (lucky for them). As one of the very very very few people on the planet who lives and works in an "electronic cottage", let me assure you that the trend will not be universal. It is rare for me to find another "100% telecommuter", and when I do, my counterpart is much like me - a person who has become a minor "baron", rather than an example of the "common serf". To be blunt, I can pack a bag today, and move my day-to-day operations to my croft in Scotland, my place in Bar Harbor, Maine, or my island in the middle of Lake Huron. I would have the freedom to do this with or without networks of any sort. Networks and communications and such just allow me to stay in touch with less effort and expense. >Reality is not optional. Path dependancy is a myth. You said this before. It is still a non-sequitur. Are you trying to make up a bumper sticker here? I'll help out. How about: "Reality Is Whatever You Can Get Away With" >| Bottom line - absolute and utter chaos is the current >| "structure" for nearly every commercial "organization" >| that exists today. Call it what you like - it is a mess. > >Absolutely. I see a time where we have peer-to-peer high-speed >cash-settlement auction markets, chaotic processes all, for everything >from stock ownership to, and I'm not kidding, packet switching at the >router level. I "see a time" too. It is now. Check out any currency trading department of any large bank or big multinational. "Peer-to-peer high-speed cash-settlement auction markets" have been around for years. "Packet switching at the router level" is simply an integration issue. Cisco and Bay Networks are most likely pushing this in their slide presentations as I type. >| Calling it anything other than a mess shows either a lack >| of candor or a lack of leadership skills in the people who >| SHOULD be leading the way out of the mess. Calling it >| anything other than a mess means that there is no >| intention of even attempting to lead the way out of the >| mess, and may indicate a willingness to make things worse! > >Leadership is again, orthogonal to the type of communication, and thus >social structure. There is evidence that decentralized organizations make >better decisions than centralized ones, for instance, but that's an >information process, not "leadership". What evidence? The entire myth of the "decentralized" organization is a bogus hand-waving excuse for a lack of leadership. Depending upon the quality of leadership that existed prior to the "decentralization" of some groups, I can see how the apparent result might have seemed to have been "better" decisions, but this, once again, is a solely a function of the (lack of) quality of leadership. >| Huh? At the "home office" alone, the Catholics had a Pope, >| Cardinals, Bishops, and multiple levels of support staff >| since day one. Looks like more than 3 levels, even if one >| presumes that God did not show up for staff meetings in >| person. I have no idea how many levels it was down to >| the local priest, but it could not have been "3 levels". > >I got beat up elsewhere for this one, and I am on thin ice, but here goes. >On a pure job-title basis, which is admittedly a hack, I know, we have (1) >the Pope, who is technically a bishop (the Bishop of Rome) with >extraordinary power, which I'll give to you anyway. Then we have (2) >bishops. A cardinal is just a special kind of bishop, specifically, he can >elect a pope. Remember the "College of Cardinals"? Abbesses, Abbots, etc., >are just (3) priests. So, by the way, are priests. :-). The laity don't >count. They're customers. ;-). God's the product. :-). But by the same "logic": 1) Anyone who wears a suit is a "boss". 2) Anyone who does not is a "worker". 3) Therefore, all organizations have only two levels! >| >The Roman Empire, slaves and all, was never more than 4 or so. >| >| Also simply not true! The Roman Empire was much more top heavy. >| The Israelites copied the Roman Legion model for their march from >| Egypt to the Promised Land: > >We'll ignore the fact that the Roman empire existed long after Moses died >for a moment, True, the "Roman Legion" model existed long before "Rome". Sorry to toss the generally accepted term for a well-known organizational structure into a discussion where "Popes" are called "Bishops", "Cardinals" are also called "Bishops", and terms are re-defined on the fly to support whatever argument one pleases. Didn't you say "Reality is not optional"? >and I'll try my hand at roman hierarchy, also another sloppy >hack, for which I hang my head in shame... > >We have (1) the emperor (which arose shortly after *Jesus'* time, BTW), >who ended up a managerial level by himself, but who is organizationally >descended from the dictator, a (2) senator given temporary absolute power >(remember Ceasar, who was killed because he wanted permanent power?) for a >term of 2 years. Then we have (3) the equestrian class, judges, army >officers (We'll ignore the army to my enduring shame, even though *they* >had three levels) senior bureaucrats, etc., and then (4) the ordinary free >people, in various forms, citizen or not. (5) Slaves, of course, were >property, but I counted them in a moment of weakness. By way of weaseling >out of this, it seems to me that at the end of the empire, the emperor >effectively replaced the senate, because all members of the equestrian >class swore loyalty to the emperor, which brings us back to 4 levels. A valiant try! Excellent weasling! You can raise your head now. :) >We all have to remember that the "job", as we currently understand it, is >only 200 years old, and an industrial construct. Oh? Tell that to an apprentice to a member of any one of the craftsman's guilds in the middle ages. Tell that to a tenant farmer. If it looks like a job, and quacks like a job, and you are paid a "salary"... >Organizational hierarchies, like the above, were the exception, not the >rule, until then. Then you would say that the Church, any and all Ruling Governments, and any and all Armies were EXCEPTIONS? What about groups of apes? Even they have a hierarchy! >| >Cities, creatures of the invention of writing... >| >| Now the author is re-writing history! > >I am *not*. Ask any anthropologist. Find a single reputable anthorpologist who will clearly and unconditionally support the specific claimed causality you present above, and I will be VERY surprised. >Cities were "invented" in China, and in the Nile, Indus and >Tigris/Euphrates valleys almost exactly at the time writing was >invented in those cultures. And cities were also "invented" in other places long after writing evolved. There is no causality between writing and groups banding together. It is only AFTER groups band together that it makes sense to write things down. Therefore, living in larger groups may have been the cause of the invention of writing, since small isolated groups gain no value from writing things down. >| The author goes on, heaping speculation upon half-truth to > >Well, speculation, anyway... ;-) Sorry, that was harsh of me. Let me re-phrase: "speculation upon assumption". >| My points about the INSULT TO BUCKY of using the term > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Do you think Bucky would appreciate your deification, here? This is not "deification". The term was coined by Bucky. We should stick with valid applications of the term, to avoid the misuse of the clarity of the basic concept. This is respect, true. Respect is due. >| 1) "Geodesic Organization" is a polite way of saying >| that the organization in question has no leadership, >| or that the leadership has stopped leading. Either >| way, it is a clear message to employees to forget >| any dreams about being promoted into management, >| which is no longer staffed by people who worked >| their way up, learning the business in the process, >| but by low-cost expendable MBAs, ink barely dry on >| their diplomas. > >You sound more like a victim of the process I'm talking about than someone >who's learned to survive in the new environment. The point is, you can't >go home again. You can't wish hierarchy back, just like you can't wish >back the divine right of kings. Victim? Hehehe! I was a WILLING PARTICIPANT in the whole scam!!! I profited hand over fist! I am 37, and I never need to work again in my life! That does not make any of it right. It was wrong. I was young, and misled (like that's any excuse), and figured out what I was doing one Thursday afternoon in a suite at the Peabody. I no longer fly the Jolly Roger. >By the way, MBAs are the penultimate construct of a hierarchical education >system, which breeds credentialism as a way to make people interchangable >at the same level in hierarchical organizations. Too bad they are not "interchangeable". If the approach created credentials that had any meaning, the term "MBA" might be a term of respect, like "Doctor", or "Engineer", rather than the insult it has become. >In a geodesic network, information is surfacted away from information >hierarchy, and becomes more available to everyone. In theory, yes. >If you need to figure something out, just look it up. But in practice, you "find" all sorts of false information. For example, someone who wanted to find out about the word "Geodesic" might find your "rant", and be mislead as to what it means. >You don't need a degree to prove you know something, you need to prove >you know it by doing the thing itself. Experience, in other words. I would think that massive decentralization would INCREASE the demand for reference standards such as "degrees" and "certification" to allow the participants to have the baseline level of "trust" in the skills of their peers. In a decentralized environment, "standards" become critical. I know this, since I work on software projects with far-flung participants in an group structure that you would use as an example of a "Geodesic Network". It is anything but "geodesic", as I am the boss. I may choose to TREAT the others as equals, and I take pains to do so, but they are my employees, and I take all the risk, call all the shots, and sign all the checks. >| 2) In a "Geodesic Organization", the reality is that >| one is forced to endure "structural socialism" in >| that it does not reward success, effort, or excellence. >| Everyone on "carpet row" at the ball-bearing company >| makes over $250,000 a year, and works on things like >| buying an ice-cream company or some such nonsense. >| >| The ball-bearing operation? It is left to its own >| devices, since management figured out that there will >| always be enough people who will put out the extra >| effort to keep the operation profitable, simply >| because they take pride in themselves and their work. > >We're really in agreement, here, but you're talking about a hierarchical >organization, and not a geodesic organization. A geodesic organization >forms for a project and then disbands after it's done. "Congrats on a job well done, team! Here's your reward - a PINK SLIP..." Yeah, sure. Don't hold your breath. >Geodesic production happens closer and closer to the demand, with >resources following the information out into the "edges" of the network. OK, let's mine coal in mid-town Manhattan, since that is where the demand for electrical power is greatest. We can mine the coal, generate the power, and save money!!! Yeah, sure. Sometimes, the resources are NOT "information". Lucky for you that they folks who sell you power to run your computer understand this "primitive, outmoded" business model. >| 3) Leaders still exist. It is easy to tell one from the >| more common non-leader. Leaders lead! Leaders tell >| their people what the big picture looks like, and ask >| what he/she needs to do to help the workers make things >| happen. >Leadership is still necessary. People with ideas lead. Oh what planet? "Ideas" are a commodity, just like soybeans. "Idea people" are very very rarely good leaders. Even if they might have leadership skills, the mere fact that they are "idea people" means that they will be expected to report to some unimaginative technocrat. >People without ideas follow or get out of the way until *they* have an idea. In your dreams. We would all LIKE to see this sort of set-up, but if ideas were the sole criteria for being seen as a leader, Bell Labs and and FermiLab would run the world. They don't. >Your discription of mighty captains of industry, where one person thinks >for 10,000 is quaint at best. I did not say that they THOUGHT - that is the main problem. They don't think too well at all. They do have CONTROL over 10,000 or so - that's why they get away with things like layoffs and mergers, which "hurt" the 10,000. It is anything but quaint. It is a disgrace. >| The use of the term "Geodesic Organization" >| is nothing but another management fad, which is a >| clear indicator of lack of leadership. Leaders see >| "management fads" as distractions, and do not suffer >| the fools who use such buzzwords gladly. > >Certainly I have an unfortunate tendency to neologism. And, if you call >something new a "fad", then it's a fad. No, newness alone is not the criteria. The "fad" aspect is due to the short-lived nature of the beastie. >I expect that this "fad" has legs, however, It had better have "legs", since it will be chased by crowds of angry displaced workers with blunt objects and torches. >and will last longer than you or I will. We have a number of "witnesses" - how much do you wanna wager? Who should hold the stakes? My heirs can collect from yours, or visa versa. > >| 4) If you have ever been blessed by working for an actual > ^^^^^^^ >"blessed"? Yeah, BLESSED. It is a positive thing, and a rare thing. Ya have to be there to know how good it feels. >| I am of the personal opinion that leadership is a good thing, >| if in fact one is lead by a person with leadership SKILLS. > >Me too, but I don't think of leadership as just another interchangable >industrial "part". It is clearly too rare to be "interchangeable". It may be the most limited resource we have. >All those exploding conglomerates in the early 70's proved that. The conglomerates exploded due to a LACK of leadership. >However, as I say, it's orthogonal to my point... But, after all your verbage, WHAT THE HELL WAS YOUR POINT???? If your point had anything to do with trendy new terms like "Geodesic Organization" changing any organizational structures (which is my best guess) or having a positive impact on anything or anyone, let me tell a small joke: A lady went a lawyer about getting a divorce. The lawyer asked: "Do you have grounds?". She replied "Yes, about 2 acres." "Perhaps I'm not making myself clear," he said. "Do you have a grudge?" "No," she said, "but we do have a carport." "Let me try again" said the frustrated lawyer. "Does your husband beat you up?" "No," she answered "generally I get up before he does." At this point, the lawyer tried a different approach. "Are you sure you want a divorce?" "Not really" she replied. "My husband does - he says that we have trouble communicating." The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:47:25 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: NONBUCKY BOOKS BOOKS ABOUT OR RELEVANT TO R. BUCKMINSTER'S FULLER'S WORK Compiled by Joe S. Moore, March 26, 1996 T__I__T__L__E O__F B__O__O__K YEAR A____U____T____H____O____R 1901 THE BEAUTIFUL NECESSITY; BRAGDON, C 1926 THE TIDE; MARMER, H. A 1935 POLLEN GRAINS; WODEHOUSE, ROGER P 1938 THE FIFTY-NINE ICOSAHEDRA; COXETER,DUVAL,FLATHER,PETRIE 1943 MATHEMATICS FOR THE MILLIONS; HOGBEN, LANCELOT 1944 THEORY OF GAMES & ECONOMIC BEHAVIOR; VON NEUMANN & MORGENSTERN 1945 SPHERICAL TRIGONOMETRY; DONNAY, J. D. 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BUCKMINSTER FULLER; B.FULLER INSTITUTE STAFF ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN SCIENCE PRIMER; BROWN, H, COOK, R & GABEL,M WATER CONSERVATION & MIST EXPERIENCE; CENTER MINIMUM COST HOUSING THE CURVES OF LIFE; COOK, THEODORE ANDREA WORLD BEYOND:EVERLASTING FRONTIER;PH I BF PROLOG;GEIS, L.& FLORIN, F,EDITORS WORLD BEYOND:EVERLASTING FRONTIER;PH II BF PROLG;GEIS, L.& FLORIN, F,EDITORS WORLDS BEYOND:EVERLASTING FRONTIER;SEQ 26 BY BF; GEIS, L.& FLORIN, F,EDITORS B FULLER;ARCHIGRAM,CO;REACION ANTIRACIONAL CASA; GREGORIO, SABUGO & IGLESIA TENSEGRITY:INTRODUCTORY THEORY,MODEL CONSTRUCT; GRIP, ROBERT NON-BEING AND SOMETHINGNESS; HAMPLE, STUART & R B FULLER INTRO TO MARINE MICROPALEONTOLOGY; SEE CH 9; HAQ, B.U.& BOERSMA, A, EDS INORGANIC CHEMISTRY; HUHEEY, JAMES E. PILOT FOR SPACESHIP EARTH; LORD, ATHENA V. BASIC HUMAN NEEDS: A FRAMEWORK FOR ACTION; MCHALE, JOHN ELEMENTS OF STRUCTURE; CHS 15 & 16,PP.184-202; MORGAN, W. STRUCTURE IN NATURE IS A STRATEGY FOR DESIGN; PEARCE, PETER POLYHEDRA PRIMER; PEARCE, PETER & SUSAN DOME BUILDER'S HANDBOOK NO.2; YARNALL, WILLIAM 1979 R. B. FULLER: UNO SPAZIO PER LA TECNOLOGIA; CETICA, PIER ANGELO VINES; CRAVENS & TIME-LIFE EDITORS BUILDING,USING SOLAR-HEATED GEODESIC GREENHOUSE; FONTANETTA, J.& HELLER, A HO-PING: FOOD FOR EVERYONE; GABEL, MEDARD HYDROGEN-ALCOHOL AUTOMOTIVE FUEL CONVERSION; MERIT PRODUCTS CO STAFF AQUATIC MINIATURES; OSBORNE, CHARLES, ED UNIVERSITY PORTRAITS: NINE PAINTINGS; RBF INTRO; PLOCHMAN, CAROLYN R. 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ALCOHOL AS FUEL; FOREWORD BY RBF; BLUME, DAVID THE ENGINES OF CREATION; DREXLER, ERIC NORTH FACE CATALOG: GEODESIC TENTS;DYMAXION MAP; HAMILTON, BRUCE 1987 CLIMATE & ARCHITECTURE; INTRO BY RBF; ARONIN, JEFFREY ELLIS DREAMRUNNER; INTRO BY RBF; BALLARD, JIM SPACES WITH DISTINGUISHED GEODESICS; BUSEMANN, HERBERT THE BOMBERS; PP88-9; OCTET TRUSS AIRPLANE HULLS; CROSS, ROBIN UNCOMMON SENSE; FOREWORD BY RBF; DAVIDSON, MARK FULLER EXPLANATION:SYNERGETIC GEOM OF B FULLER; EDMONDSON, AMY C GEO NETWORK;THESIS:AT&T NATURAL GLOBAL MONOPOLY; HUBER, P W. R B FULLER:JOURNAL ARTICLES PUBLISH BET '70-86; VANCE, MARY A. 1988 R B FULLER,ARCHITECT:20 YRS OF JOURNAL REVIEWS; CASPER, DALE E. GEODESIC NETWORK; HUBER, PETER NAGA: CULTURAL ORIGINS IN ..?..; BF INTRO; JUMSAI, SUMET GUIDE STUDY ROCK;APPEND C"3-COMPONENT DIAGRAMS"; SPOCK, L. E. 1989 BUCKMINSTER FULLER'S UNIVERSE:AN APPRECIATION; SIEDEN, LLOYD STEVEN 1990 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER, 1895-1983; GRIMALDI, ROBERTO BUCKMINSTER FULLER; PAWLEY, MARTIN R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER; POTTER, R & GALLIN, R, EDS 1991 IMAGINEERING: KEY TO EDUCATIONAL FUTURES; GLINES, DON CONNECTIONS:GEOMETRIC BRIDGE BETWEEN ART,SCIENCE;KAPPRAFT, JAY CONCEPTS AND IMAGES; LOEB, ARTHUR L. BUCKMINSTER FULLER; PAWLEY, MARTIN 1992 BASIC BIOGRAPHY; B.FULLER INSTITUTE STAFF GEODESIC DREAMS; BOZOIS, GARDNER FULLER EXPLANATION:SYNERGETIC GEOM OF B FULLER; EDMONDSON, AMY C. TAO IN EDUCATION: FROM BLACKBOARDS TO B.FULLER; GERBER, ALEX, PH.D. THE GEODESIC NETWORK II; HUBER, PETER W, ET AL YESTERDAY HOUSE OF TOMORROW:INNOVATIVE AM HOME; JANDL, H.W, ET AL BASIC BUCKY; MOORE, JOE S. FULLERENES-STATUS,PERSPECTIVE:1ST ITAL WORKSHOP; TALIANI, C. & RUANI, G 1993 EMBRACING EARTH:NEW VIEW OF OUR CHANGING PLANET; STEVENS, P.R.& KELLEY, K. W 1994 1995 1996 BUCKYWORKS: BF'S IDEAS FOR TODAY BALDWIN, J. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:54:45 GMT Reply-To: psiber@ftech.co.uk Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Alan Organization: Visionaries.co.uk Subject: Re: POV or DXF viewer Unlurking he says, that's >Persistance of Vision: http://www.povray.org/ actually Alan -- Email: *...*.:....*... psiber@ftech.co.uk ..*...*..*..... ...**.....:..*.*....^...*...*..*.*....*............*.*..*.. ...*..".. M y G o d ......*..:..*..*....*...*...:*.. .^.*..*... It's F u l l o f S t a r s ..*.:....*.. .*....*.... http://www.visionaries.co.uk/ .:.*.*..*.. :......*** Please Add your pages to the Raylist ***.......: **.. http://www.visionaries.co.uk/zine/hots/hotrays.hts ..* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:16:12 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Curt Flowers Organization: University of Illinois - AISS, CSD Subject: Re: Dome chord factors Sure. It may take me a few days to find it. In article <9603251227.aa01768@bbs.cruzio.com> Joe Moore writes:>Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:27:45 PST >From: Joe Moore >Subject: Re: Dome chord factors >Curt Flowers writes: >> Anyway, my interest: I wrote a program deacades ago (on punch cards, as I >> recall) to produce chord factors and am curious as to how others have coded >> the computations. >Would you be willing to post your code? >-- >JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 >850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 >CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:15:52 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "John H. Fisher" Subject: 2F Icosa Strut Lengths Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com The 2F icosa geodesic dome requires 120 struts. 60 struts are one length and 60 are another length. short strut length = .884309063 X long strut length Here's how: sin( arctan(2) / 4 ) / sin ( 18 ) = .884309063 using hand calculator This is actually equivalent to the ratio of the chord factors. arctan(2) = 63.43494882 degrees This is the icosahedron central angle. For 2f icosa the cord factors are computed from 31.71747441 (one-half the above ) and 36 degrees ( Natures magic ). for 31.717... degrees the chord factor is: 2 X sin ( arctan(2) / 4 ) = .546533057 for 36.000... degrees the chord factor is: 2 X sin ( 18 ) = .618033988 5 short struts connect together in a pentagonal hub. There are 12 of these hubs. All the rest are long struts which form 6 great circles around the dome. That's about all I can picture in words. Regards, John ____________________________________________________ John H. Fisher jhfisher@ccsi.com Austin, Texas http://www.ccsi.com/~jhfisher/ ____________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 22:00:10 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Boldt Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Subject: Re: Dome chord factors Joe Moore wrote: > > Curt Flowers writes: > > Anyway, my interest: I wrote a program deacades ago (on punch cards, as I > > recall) to produce chord factors and am curious as to how others have coded > > the computations. > > Would you be willing to post your code? Below is a reformulation of a BASIC program by Joseph D. Clinton in perl: #! /usr/bin/perl # ==================================================================== # @(#) Calculate some information on different dome frequencies # ==================================================================== # $What: <@(#) dome-math,v 1.2> $ # # a perl shell script # Written in BASIC by: Joseph D. Clinton June 1, 1991 # Converted to perl by: David Boldt August 28, 1992 # # $Log: dome-math,v $ # Revision 1.2 1993/09/30 22:36:40 dboldt # The drawing is finally working!! # # Revision 1.1 1993/05/25 21:44:01 dboldt # Initial revision # -------------------------------------------------------------------- print "\nClass 1 method 1 Geodesic sphere\n"; print "icosahedron, "; $tau = (1.0 + sqrt(5)) / 2.0; $pi = atan2(1,1) * 4; $ra = $pi/180.0; $de = 180.0/$pi; $sf_vp = 200; $x_vp = 320; $y_vp = 375; # -- if frequency was given on command line, use it, else query if ( $#ARGV == 0 ) { $nu = $ARGV[$#ARGV]; } else { print "\n enter frequency: "; chop($nu = ); } print "frequency $nu\n"; # -- pre-allocate array space $x[($nu+1)^2] = 0; $y[($nu+1)^2] = 0; $z[($nu+1)^2] = 0; $x1[($nu+1)^2] = 0; $y1[($nu+1)^2] = 0; $z1[($nu+1)^2] = 0; $x2[($nu+1)^2] = 0; $y2[($nu+1)^2] = 0; $z2[($nu+1)^2] = 0; print "\nVertex X Y Z\n"; for ($i = 0; $i <= $nu; $i++) { for ($j = 0; $j <= $i; $j++) { $index = &index2D($i,$j); $x[$index] = $j; $z[$index] = $nu - $i; $y[$index] = $nu - $x[$index] - $z[$index]; $z[$index] = $nu / 2.0 + $z[$index] / $tau; $y[$index] = $y[$index] + $x[$index] * cos(72.0 * $ra); $x[$index] = $x[$index] * sin(72.0 * $ra); if ( $y[$index] == 0 ) { $phi = 0; } else { $phi = atan2( $x[$index], $y[$index]); } if ( $z[$index] == 0 ) { $theta = 0; } else { $theta = atan2( sqrt( $x[$index] ** 2 + $y[$index] ** 2 ), $z[$index] ); } $x[$index] = cos($phi) * sin($theta); $y[$index] = sin($phi) * sin($theta); $z[$index] = cos($theta); printf " %d,%d %10.6f %10.6f %10.6f\n", $i, $j, $x[$index], $y[$index], $z[$index]; } } print "\n\n V1 V2 CF CA\n"; for ($i = 1; $i <= $nu; $i++) { for ($j = 1; $j <= $i; $j++) { $cf = sqrt(($x[ &index2D($i,$j) ] - $x[ &index2D($i,$j-1) ]) ** 2 + ($y[ &index2D($i,$j) ] - $y[ &index2D($i,$j-1) ]) ** 2 + ($z[ &index2D($i,$j) ] - $z[ &index2D($i,$j-1) ]) ** 2); $a = $cf / 2; $ca = atan2( $a, sqrt(-$a * $a + 1) ) * 2 * $de; printf " %d,%d %d,%d %10.6f %12.6f\n", $i, $j-1, $i, $j, $cf, $ca; # -- if strut length is not in list, add it $number=substr($cf, 0, 17); if ( !grep( /$number/, @cf_list) ) { push(@cf_list, $number); } } } # -- count items in unique chord-factors list for (@cf_list) { $cf_count++; } # -- sort the list @cf_list = sort(@cf_list); # -- print the list print "\n\n ", $cf_count, " Different Strut Sizes, Chord Factors are:\n"; for (@cf_list) { printf "%10.6f", $_; } # -- calculate and print list normalized to smallest length print "\n\n Normalized to Shortest Length\n "; @small_norm=@cf_list; $small=@small_norm[0]; grep($_ /= $small, @small_norm); for (@small_norm) { printf "%10.6f", $_; } # -- calculate and print list normalized to largest length print "\n\n Normalized to Longest Length\n "; @large_norm=@cf_list; $large=@large_norm[$cf_count-1]; grep($_ /= $large, @large_norm); for (@large_norm) { printf "%10.6f", $_; } print "\n"; # -- label chord lengths against super-triangle open (DRAFT, "> draft.data"); &draft; close (DRAFT); # -- create a plot of the dome, 5/8th open (PLOT, "> plot.data"); # -- draw the first layer of the icosahedron (5 super-panels) &t1("0 0 0"); $ro = 72.0 * $ra; for ($t = 1; $t <= 4; $t++) { $ro = $t * 72.0 * $ra; &t2("0 0 0"); if ($t == 2 ) { &t3("0 0 0"); } } # -- draw the second layer of the icosahedron (10 super-panels) $ro = 52.622627 + 37.377373; &e1("255 0 0"); &e3; for ($t = 1; $t <= 4; $t++) { $ro = $t * 72.0 * $ra; &t2("255 0 0"); if ($t == 2 ) { &t3("255 0 0"); } } &e2("0 0 255"); &e3; for ($t = 1; $t <= 4; $t++) { $ro = $t * 72.0 * $ra; &t2("0 255 0"); if ($t == 2 ) { &t3("0 255 0"); } } print PLOT "120 150 1.0 (", $nu, " frequency dome, class 1, method 1) PRI"; close (PLOT); exit; # -------------------------------------------------------------------- # subroutines # sub index2D { local($i, $j) = @_; return ($nu+1) * $i + $j; } sub plot { local ($color) = @_; local ($x_start, $y_start, $x_stop, $y_stop, $i, $j); local ($index, $index2); # -- plot lattitude struts print PLOT "$color setrgbcolor\n"; for ($i = 1; $i <= $nu; $i++) { for ($j = 1; $j <= $i; $j++) { $index = &index2D($i,$j); $index2 = &index2D($i,$j-1); #print "::: ", $index, " ::: ", $z[$index], "\n"; if ( $z1[$index] >= -0.1 ) { $x_start = $x1[$index2] * $sf_vp + $x_vp; $y_start = $y1[$index2] * $sf_vp + $y_vp; $x_stop = $x1[$index] * $sf_vp + $x_vp; $y_stop = $y1[$index] * $sf_vp + $y_vp; print PLOT $x_start, " ", $y_start, " START\n", $x_stop, " ", $y_stop, " A\n"; } } } $a = 1; for ($j = 0; $j <= $nu-1; $j++) { for ($i = $a; $i <= $nu; $i++) { $index = &index2D($i,$j); $index2 = &index2D($i-1,$j); if ( $z1[$index] >= -0.1 ) { $x_start = $x1[$index2] * $sf_vp + $x_vp; $y_start = $y1[$index2] * $sf_vp + $y_vp; $x_stop = $x1[$index] * $sf_vp + $x_vp; $y_stop = $y1[$index] * $sf_vp + $y_vp; print PLOT $x_start, " ", $y_start, " START\n", $x_stop, " ", $y_stop, " A\n"; } } $a++; } $a = 1; $b = 0; for ($j = $b; $j <= $nu-1; $j++) { for ($i = $a; $i <= $nu; $i++) { $b++; $index = &index2D($i,$b); $index2 = &index2D($i-1,$b-1); if ( $z1[$index] >= -0.1 ) { $x_start = $x1[$index2] * $sf_vp + $x_vp; $y_start = $y1[$index2] * $sf_vp + $y_vp; $x_stop = $x1[$index] * $sf_vp + $x_vp; $y_stop = $y1[$index] * $sf_vp + $y_vp; print PLOT $x_start, " ", $y_start, " START\n", $x_stop, " ", $y_stop, " A\n"; } } $b = 0; $a++; } } # -----------------------------------< function t1 sub t1 { local ($color) = @_; for ($i = 0; $i <= $nu; $i++) { for ($j = 0; $j <= $i; $j++) { $index = &index2D($i,$j); $x1[$index] = $x[$index]; $y1[$index] = $y[$index]; $z1[$index] = $z[$index]; } } &plot($color); } # -----------------------------------< function t2 sub t2 { local ($color) = @_; for ($i = 0; $i <= $nu; $i++) { for ($j = 0; $j <= $i; $j++) { $index = &index2D($i,$j); $x1[$index] = $x[$index]*cos($ro) - $y[$index]*sin($ro); $y1[$index] = $x[$index]*sin($ro) + $y[$index]*cos($ro); $z1[$index] = $z[$index]; } } &plot($color); } # -----------------------------------< function t3 sub t3 { local($color) = @_; for ($i = 0; $i <= $nu; $i++) { for ($j = 0; $j <= $i; $j++) { $index = &index2D($i,$j); $x2[$index] = $x1[$index]; $y2[$index] = $y1[$index]; $z2[$index] = $z1[$index]; } } &plot($color); } # -----------------------------------< function e1 sub e1 { local ($color) = @_; for ($i = 0; $i <= $nu; $i++) { for ($j = 0; $j <= $i; $j++) { $index = &index2D($i,$j); $x1[$index] = -$x2[$index]*cos($ro) - $z2[$index]*sin($ro); $y1[$index] = $y2[$index]; $z1[$index] = -$x2[$index]*sin($ro) + $z2[$index]*cos($ro); } } &plot($color); } # -----------------------------------< function e2 sub e2 { local($color) = @_; for ($i = 0; $i <= $nu; $i++) { for ($j = 0; $j <= $i; $j++) { $index = &index2D($i,$j); $x1[$index] = -$x[$index]; $y1[$index] = $y[$index]; $z1[$index] = -$z[$index]; } } &plot($color); } # -----------------------------------< function e3 sub e3 { for ($i = 0; $i <= $nu; $i++) { for ($j = 0; $j <= $i; $j++) { $index = &index2D($i,$j); $x[$index] = $x1[$index]; $y[$index] = $y1[$index]; $z[$index] = $z1[$index]; } } } # -----------------------------------< function draft # draw super-triangle with chords labeled sub draft { local ($x_start, $y_start, $x_stop, $y_stop, $i, $j); local ($index, $index2); local ($ro, $sf_vp, $y_vp); $ro = 3.2 * 72.0 * $ra; $sf_vp = 400; $y_vp = 550; &t2("0 0 0"); # -- plot lattitude struts for ($i = 1; $i <= $nu; $i++) { for ($j = 1; $j <= $i; $j++) { $index = &index2D($i,$j); $index2 = &index2D($i,$j-1); #print "::: ", $index, " ::: ", $z1[$index], "\n"; if ( $z1[$index] >= -0.1 ) { $x_start = $x1[$index2] * $sf_vp + $x_vp; $y_start = $y1[$index2] * $sf_vp + $y_vp; $x_stop = $x1[$index] * $sf_vp + $x_vp; $y_stop = $y1[$index] * $sf_vp + $y_vp; print DRAFT $x_start, " ", $y_start, " START\n", $x_stop, " ", $y_stop, " A\n"; $cf = sqrt(($x1[$index] - $x1[$index2]) ** 2 + ($y1[$index] - $y1[$index2]) ** 2 + ($z1[$index] - $z1[$index2]) ** 2); print DRAFT ($x_start + $x_stop)/2, " ", ($y_start + $y_stop)/2, " ", 0.75, " (", substr($cf,0,6), ") PRI\n"; } } } # -- plot left edge struts $a = 1; for ($j = 0; $j <= $nu-1; $j++) { for ($i = $a; $i <= $nu; $i++) { $index = &index2D($i,$j); $index2 = &index2D($i-1,$j); if ( $z1[$index] >= -0.1 ) { $x_start = $x1[$index2] * $sf_vp + $x_vp; $y_start = $y1[$index2] * $sf_vp + $y_vp; $x_stop = $x1[$index] * $sf_vp + $x_vp; $y_stop = $y1[$index] * $sf_vp + $y_vp; print DRAFT $x_start, " ", $y_start, " START\n", $x_stop, " ", $y_stop, " A\n"; $cf = sqrt(($x1[$index] - $x1[$index2]) ** 2 + ($y1[$index] - $y1[$index2]) ** 2 + ($z1[$index] - $z1[$index2]) ** 2); print DRAFT ($x_start + $x_stop)/2, " ", ($y_start + $y_stop)/2, " ", 0.75, " (", substr($cf,0,6), ") PRI\n"; } } $a++; } # -- plot right edge struts $a = 1; $b = 0; for ($j = $b; $j <= $nu-1; $j++) { for ($i = $a; $i <= $nu; $i++) { $b++; $index = &index2D($i,$b); $index2 = &index2D($i-1,$b-1); if ( $z1[$index] >= -0.1 ) { $x_start = $x1[$index2] * $sf_vp + $x_vp; $y_start = $y1[$index2] * $sf_vp + $y_vp; $x_stop = $x1[$index] * $sf_vp + $x_vp; $y_stop = $y1[$index] * $sf_vp + $y_vp; print DRAFT $x_start, " ", $y_start, " START\n", $x_stop, " ", $y_stop, " A\n"; $cf = sqrt(($x1[$index] - $x1[$index2]) ** 2 + ($y1[$index] - $y1[$index2]) ** 2 + ($z1[$index] - $z1[$index2]) ** 2); print DRAFT ($x_start + $x_stop)/2, " ", ($y_start + $y_stop)/2, " ", 0.75, " (", substr($cf,0,6), ") PRI\n"; } } $b = 0; $a++; } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This program also creates a file named "plot.data", which if sandwiched between the following two files creates a printable Postscript image of the dome. ------------------------------------------------------------ %!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-1.2 %%BoundingBox:0 0 288 720 % bounding box information: X-origin Y-origin X-max Y-max %% ========================================================================== * %% SIMPLE POSTSCRIPT PLOTTING PROGRAM %% ========================================================================== * %% written by: David R. Boldt August 4, 1989 %% -------------------------------------------------------------------------- * %% Plot lines, two marker types and text labels %% %% To plot a series of connected lines: %% START %% A %% A %% etc... %% %% To plot a circular marker: %% DOT %% %% To plot a plus-sign marker: %% PLUS %% %% To print text (text string must be enclosed by parenthese): %% <(Text-in-parentheses)> PRI %% %% To change darkness of lines (n = 0 for black, 1.0 for white): %% LIGHTNESS %% %% To change thickness of lines (n = 1.0 for normal): %% THICKNESS %% %% -------------------------------------------------------------------------- * %% The commands MUST be typed in upper case %% %% Data is free-format %% %% The data must be entered after comment line "%% End of Prologue" %% %% The minimum and maximum values for the plot must be entered below %% -------------------------------------------------------------------------- * /X_MIN 50.0 def /X_MAX 600.0 def /Y_MIN 0.0 def /Y_MAX 600.0 def %% set font variety and default size /Times-Roman findfont 12 scalefont setfont %% size of 8.5 x 11 inch page in points (the distance unit in Postscript) /PAGE_HEIGHT 792 def /PAGE_WIDTH 612 def %% if plot is wider than tall, rotate plot /X_SPAN X_MAX X_MIN sub def /Y_SPAN Y_MAX Y_MIN sub def X_SPAN Y_SPAN gt {90 rotate 0 PAGE_WIDTH neg translate /TMP PAGE_WIDTH def /PAGE_WIDTH PAGE_HEIGHT def /PAGE_HEIGHT TMP def} if %% calculate scale factor /TMP_SCL2 PAGE_WIDTH X_SPAN div def /TMP_SCL1 PAGE_HEIGHT Y_SPAN div def TMP_SCL1 TMP_SCL2 le {/SCALE TMP_SCL1 def} {/SCALE TMP_SCL2 def} ifelse %% debugging procedure to print value of variable SCALE %% 200 285 moveto (SCALE = ) show SCALE (---------) cvs show %% scale and translate plot SCALE dup scale X_MIN neg Y_MIN neg translate %% define character of lines 0.5 SCALE div setlinewidth % define line weight 1 setlinecap % ends of lines will be rounded 1 setlinejoin % line continuations will be rounded %% define line drawing operators /START {newpath moveto} def % start a line /A {lineto currentpoint stroke moveto} def % connect from previous point %% define print operator (X, Y, scale, string-in-parens) /PRI { gsave 0 setgray 4 1 roll 3 1 roll moveto SCALE div dup scale show grestore} def %% define markers /MARKER_HEIGHT 0.10 def % marker size is relative to longest plot dimension /DOT {gsave 0 setgray moveto currentpoint newpath MARKER_HEIGHT 0 360 arc gsave 0.6 setgray fill grestore stroke grestore} def /PLUS {gsave 0 setgray newpath moveto MARKER_HEIGHT 0 rlineto MARKER_HEIGHT neg 0 rlineto 0 MARKER_HEIGHT rlineto 0 MARKER_HEIGHT neg rlineto MARKER_HEIGHT neg 0 rlineto MARKER_HEIGHT 0 rlineto 0 MARKER_HEIGHT neg rlineto stroke grestore} def %% define lightness (or darkness) of subsequent lines (0 = black, 1.0 = white) /LIGHTNESS /setgray load def %% define thickness of subsequent lines (1.0 = normal thickness) /THICKNESS {0.5 SCALE div mul setlinewidth} def %% End of Prologue %% -------------------------------------------------------------------------- * ------------------------------------------------------------ file "plot.data" goes here ------------------------------------------------------------ %% 1.5 2.5 1.0 (This is a Sample of Text) PRI %% -------------------------------------------------------------------------- * %% trailer showpage ------------------------------------------------------------ -- --david boldt ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 03:49:17 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak <73737.2601@COMPUSERVE.COM> Organization: Environmental Valving Subject: Thank you BFI I want to thank BFI for the post card advertising Bucky Works and the PBS video tape. I plan to place an order shortly. Despite the miracle which is the internet, it's still nice to get a valuable piece of snail mail. thank you ! Tony Kalenak -- Make it so. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:08:23 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: NONBUCKY BOOKS A fairly exhaustive list! However, I've read that Einstein had a major influence on Bucky. Also, perhaps Newton's "Principia," (U. of Cal. press) as well as Kepler's work "Epitome of Coperican Astronomy", and Copernicus' work "On the Revolution of the Heavenly Spheres." Both of these last two are available as part of the "Great Book of the Western World" series. Of course Galileo's two books, "Dialogue Concerning two Chief World Systems," 1632 (U.of Cal Press) and " Dialog of the Two New Sciences," 1638 (Part of Great Books series) should probably be included. Oh, and how about, "Leonardo Da Vinci." (Reynal and Company, N.Y.) Finally, and most importantly, : ) "Nature's Numbers," W. Lauritzen, 1995, Grassroots Press. William Gunther Lauritzen 809-D East Garfield Glendale, CA 91205 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:22:13 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Thank you BFI In-Reply-To: <4jadrt$9oj$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com>; from "Tony Kalenak" at Mar 27, 96 3:49 am Tony Kalenak writes: > I want to thank BFI for the post card advertising Bucky Works and > the PBS video tape. I plan to place an order shortly. Despite the Which video are they offering and for how much? Also, how much are they asking for BuckyWorks? -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:29:41 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Dome chord factors In-Reply-To: <3158AF3A.1802314A@idsonline.com>; from "David Boldt" at Mar 26, 96 10:00 pm Thank you, thank you, thank you! -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:46:34 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ARTICLES RE BF 1903-69 ARTICLES ABOUT OR RELEVANT TO THE WORK OF R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER 1903-69 Compiled by Joe S. Moore DATE TITLE OF MAG OR NEWSPAPER ARTICLE PAGE AUTHOR MAG OR PAPER 1903 06-01 TETRAHEDRAL PRINCIPLE IN KITE STRUCTURE ,219,BELL ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 1907 01-01 AERIAL LOCOMOTION , 1,BELL ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 1922 09-29 FULLERS IN ASTOR'S MONOSEAPLANE FLY BAR H, ,NYH STAFF,NEW YORK HERALD 10-22 LT.CM FULLER TAKES VACATION TRIP BY AIR , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 1925 02-23 FORTSCHRITTE IM BAU VON MASSIVKUPPELN ,362,DB STAFF ,DER BAUINGENIEUR 1929 05-22 THE DYMAXION HOUSE , 24,HC EDITOR,HARVARD CRIMSON 06-01 DYMAXION HOUSE CONCEIVED BY R.B.FULLER , ,A STAFF ,ARCHITECTURE 07-01 ARCHITECT'S FUTURE IS NOW , ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECTRL FORUM 07-01 HOUSE FOR MASS PRODUCTION , ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECTRL FORUM 07-13 FACTORY BUILT HOMES TO SELL FOR 3000... , ,HOME OWN ,NEW YORK TIMES 1930 05-13 FULLER'S DYMAXION HOUSE ON DISPLAY , ,CUNNINGHAM,CHICAGO EVE POST 08-15 ORIGIN #,ARRANGE EXIT PLACES ON POLLEN , 1,TAMMES,TRAV BOTANIQ NERLAND 1932 01-01 HOUSES TO COST $3,000 NEEDED , ,HARRISON ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-01 DYMAXION HOUSE , ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECTRL FORUM 05-23 'MACHINE AGE' HOME SHOWN , ,EDITOR ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-29 HOUSE RES IMPROVE LIFE IN MACHINE AGE , ,FERRIS ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-29 EVERY MAN'S HOUSE , ,EDITOR ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-01 THE INDUSTRY THAT INDUSTRY MISSED , 60,MACLEISH ,FORTUNE 12-01 MODELS AS VISUAL AID IN TEACHING CHEM ,301,POULEUR ,JRNL CHEMICAL ED 1933 07-01 PROFIT CONTROL & THE PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC , ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL FOR 10-27 3-WHEEL CAR UPSETS-KILLS ONE--HURTS TWO , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 1934 01-01 DYMAXION HOUSES: AN ATTITUDE , ,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL REC 02-04 WHAT NOW AND NEXT IN AUTO DESIGN , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-14 HOUSING IS HELD A PUBLIC UTILITY , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 1937 04-01 NEWEST PREFAB BATHROOM IS ALSO NEAREST , ,LA STAFF ,LADLE 08-10 REG SKEW POLY IN 3,4 DIM & TOPO ANALOG , 33,COXETER ,LONDON MATH SOC 1938 05-01 ART IN OUR DAILY LIVES , ,HARRIS ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-11 NINE CHAINS TO THE MOON--PLUS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 09-12 DYMAXION UTOPIA , ,T STAFF ,TIME 09-12 THE DYMAXION HOUSE , ,T STAFF ,TIME 10-09 NINE CHAINS TO THE MOON--MINUS , ,MALISOFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-01 DYMAXION HOUSE HANGS FROM A MAST , ,HG STAFF ,HOUSE & GARDEN 1940 02-05 NEW ERA , ,T STAFF ,TIME 10-01 MECH.WING:MOBILE PACKAGE,MECH ESSENTIAL , ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL FOR 1941 06-01 1000 HOUSE/DAY,1200 EACH FROM GRAIN BIN , ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL FOR 10-04 BOMB SHELTER:DYMAXION DEPLOYMENT UNIT , ,NY STAFF ,NEW YORKER 11-15 MUSEUM MOD ART SHOW CYLINDRICAL HOUSING , ,MUN STAFF,MUSEUM NEWS 1942 01-03 DYNAM,DOMESTIC:BF'S SUCCESSOR TO DYMAX , ,MUMFORD ,NEW YORKER 1943 03-22 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER'S DYMAXION WORLD , ,L STAFF ,LIFE 05-01 GEO ACCT FOR DIVERSE SHAPE 14-HEDRAL CELL, 74,LEWIS ,AM JRNL BOTANY 1944 05-01 BUSH LEAGUE? , ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECT FORUM 10-14 BUCK FULLER AND THE DYMAXION WORLD , ,WHITE ,SAT EVENING POST 11-14 AIRCRAFT FACTORY TO PRODUCE HOUSES , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-19 H HOUSEMAKR-AIRCRAFT CO PLAN MAS HOME BLD, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 1945 04-01 HOUSE MASS-PRODUCE BY DYMAX DWELLING MACH, ,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL REC 07-01 1-CYLINDER ENGINE TESTS OF SUB MOTOR FUEL, 1,BROOKS ,NT BR STND JRNL RES 10-01 KNOCK BRINGS OF GAS SUBSTITUTES , ,PUCKETT,NT BR STND JRNL RES 10-30 MACHINIST MEET TOLD JOB;PLAN INCL DD MACH, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 UTILIZAT NONPETROLEUM FUEL IN AUTO ENGINE,439,DUCK ,NT BR STND JRNL RES 1946 02-01 3-D SHAPE OF BUBBLES IN FOAM-AN ANALYSIS , 58,MATZKE ,AMER JRNL BOTANY 03-10 BEECH MAY BUILD ALUMINUM HOMES , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-31 CIRCULAR HOUSE , ,ROCHE ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-01 FULLER HOUSE;EVEN CHANCE UPSET BLDG INDUS,167,F STAFF ,FORTUNE 04-01 8000LB HOUSE:4 RM,2 BTH MADE PLANE MATERI, ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECT FORUM 05-01 INDUS SHELTR:BF HOUSE;WHY,WHERE MASS-PROD, ,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECT RECORD 1947 11-19 NEW BUILDING IDEA IN PRODUCTION BEFORE AD, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 1948 11-01 BUCKY FULLER'S DYMAXION WORLD , 30,MARKS ,SCIENCE ILLUS 1949 05-01 FULLER'S NEW SUPER-TENT , ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECT FORUM 06-01 SUMMER INST AT BLACK MT UNDER DIRECT B F , ,I STAFF ,INTERIORS 06-01 AUTONOMOUS DWELLING FACILITY IN GEO DOME , ,I STAFF ,INTERIORS 11-07 BUCKY, INC. , ,T STAFF ,TIME 1951 02-01 COMPREHENSIVE DESIGNER , ,AA STAFF ,ARTS/ARCHITECTURE 08-01 GEOD DOME: RBF SPIDERY NEW FRAMING SYSTEM,144,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL FRM 10-01 BUCKY FULLER'S GEODESIC DOME , ,I STAFF ,INTERIORS 1952 04-13 T HAMLIN'S'FORMS,FUNCTIONS-20TH CENT ARCH, ,BLAKE ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-01 VERT TEXT MIL:BF INVENT AUTO FLORLES FACT, ,MB STAFF ,MAG BUILDING 06-18 ARCH OFER BUBLE HOUS MODL;MIT STDNT ARNG , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-26 BF PREDICT:WORLD COMPLETELY INDUS BY 2000, ,TEAQUE ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 METH PROD FR FARM WASTE SOURCE TRCTR FUEL, ,ROSENBERG,JRNL MINING/AGRI 08-31 NEW WAYS OF BUILDING , ,LOUCHEIM ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-01 YOU MAY LIVE IN A BUBBLE HOUSE , ,SCHREINER,SCIENCE DIGEST 09-01 DYMAXION ARTIST , 14,DEKOONING,ARTNEWS 09-15 FULLER'S GEODESIC HOUSE , ,T STAFF ,TIME 10-01 2 HOUS:NEW WAY BULD;EXHIBT MUSEUM MOD ART, ,I STAFF ,INTERIORS 10-01 NEW WAY BUILD:BF GEO DOM HOUS MUS MOD ART, ,STAFF ,ART DIGEST 11-01 3-WAY FLOOR TRUSS: FULLER'S OCTET TRUSS , ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL FRM 11-01 INDUSTRIAL LOGISTICS & DESIGN STRATEGY , 10,PT STAFF ,PENNSYLVANIA TRNG 1953 01-01 THE DYMAXION WORLD OF BUCKY FULLER , ,MARKS ,GENTRY 04-01 CARDBOARD HOUSE , ,PE STAFF ,PERSPECTA 04-01 TEXTILE MILL OF TOMORROW ,100,AMF STAFF,AMERICAN FABRICS 05-01 BF FIND CLINT:FORD TRANS GEO DOME ALM,PLS,108,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECT FORUM 06-08 TAPE,PLAS,ALUM ROTUND FORD RVR ROUGE PLNT, ,L STAFF ,LIFE 09-13 REVIEW OF THE BIG PICTURE , ,CORT ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-15 NEW GIANT SPHERE MAY ALTER HOMES , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 BUCKMINSTER FULLER: COUPOLES GEODESIQUES , ,STAFF ,ARCH AUJOURD'HUI 1954 01-29 FLYING AND CARRYING , 1,AP STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 01-30 PORTABLE BATTLE SUITE , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-01 BALL WIRE,TUBES TEST STRENGTH TENSION DES, ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECT FORM 03-01 MARINES TEST A FLYING B. FULLER BARRACKS , ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECT FORM 04-01 GEODESIC U. S. PAVILION AT THE TRIENNALE?, ,I STAFF ,INTERIORS 05-01 GEOMETRICAL BASIS O CRYSTAL CHEMISTRY,PT1,535,WELLS,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPHIC 06-01 PAPER DOME IN THE PARK , ,I STAFF ,INTERIORS 06-01 NEW SITUATION FOR MARINES:BF DOME SHELTER, ,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECT RCRD 07-01 GEOMETRICAL BASIS O CRYSTAL CHEMISTRY,PT2,545,WELLS,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPHIC 07-01 R.B FULLER:EIN PIONIER DES 20.JAHRHUNDERT, 41,K STAFF ,KONTINENTE 07-18 SCIENCE IN REVIEW , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-25 LIVING UNDER A DOME , ,PEPIS ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 GEOMETRICAL BASIS O CRYSTAL CHEMISTRY,PT3,842,WELLS ,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRA 08-05 UNIFORM POLYHEDRA ,401,COXETER,PHILOSOPHICAL TRANS 08-20 UNIFORM POLYHEDRA ,401,COXETER,PHILS TRAN ROYL SOC 09-01 GEOMETRICAL BASIS O CRYSTAL CHEMISTRY,PT4,849,WELLS,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPHIC 10-17 OUR CULTURAL PATTERN: 1929 AND TODAY , ,SAARINEN ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-28 PEOPLE IN PLASTIC HOUSES , ,PEPIS ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-05 TRIENNIAL DOME , ,LTR TO ED,NEW YORK TIMES 1955 01-16 THAT ODD DOME WASH U:IT MODL HOME OF FUTR, ,KEASLER,ST.LOUIS POST-DISPT 03-01 ON THE ORDERLY SUBDIVISION OF SPHERES , 23,STUART,N.CAROLINA ST COL DS 04-03 BF TO GIVE KORZYBSKY MEMORIAL LECTURE , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-01 CYCLE OF EVOLUTION:WORKS OF R.B FULLER ,155,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL REC 08-01 GEOMETRICAL BASIS O CRYSTAL CHEMISTRY,PT5, 32,WELLS,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPHIC 08-10 MODERN STRUCTURAL CHEMISTRY , 91,PAULING ,LES PRIX NOBEL'54 09-04 NAT AIR SHO-DOME AIRLIFT MARINE CORP HELI, ,WITKIN ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-30 DODGERS STADIUM STUDY SET , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 10-01 STADIUM DOME STUDIED BY DODGERS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-01 BUCKY FULLER BUILDS AN ALL PLASTIC DOME ,235,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL REC 11-23 DODGER HEAD HAIL STUDI MADE DOMED STADIUM, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 LA MAISON DE VERRE PRESENTEE LA TV. AMER , ,STAFF,ARCHITECTURE AUJOURD 12-27 BAIRDS' MARIONETTES-BF METAL FRAME DANCE , ,ATKINSON ,NEW YORK TIMES 1956 01-15 AN EXPERIMENT IN QUICK CONSTRUCTION , 7,HANNON,ST.LOUIS POST-DISP 01-22 BF MEM BRD JUDG PRINCETON U ARCH SCH THES, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 02-06 CITY BILL VISIONS NEW DODGER PARK , ,CROWELL ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-09 PARODY HOME RANGE:GIVE ME HOME TRANS DOME, ,DALEY ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-01 DODGER DOME GENERATE CITY CENTER PROPOSAL, ,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL REC 05-01 THE COANDA STORY , 32,CAIDIN ,FLYING 07-01 BUCKMINSTER FULLER , 12,MCHALE ,ARCHITECTURAL REV 07-15 NYLON SPREAD OVER LAND,SEA,SUMMER CIRCUIT, ,SPIELNOGEL,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 GEOMETRICAL BASIS O CRYSTAL CHEMISTRY,PT6, 23,WELLS,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPHIC 08-01 A GRAHAM BELL MUSEUM: TRIBUTE TO GENIUS ,227,LESAGE ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 08-13 AMERICA SHOW WARES,WAYS AT 12 TRADE FAIRS, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-20 DWELLINGS OF FUTURE MAY BE DOMES , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-31 US.OUTDO SOVIET AT AFGHANISTAN TRADE FAIR, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-01 BLDG WEIGHT CUT TO 1LB/SQ FT: BF GEO DOME, ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL FOR 1957 02-01 LG DOME PERMIT SPEDY ERECT PORT PLN HANGR, ,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL REC 03-05 A PICTURE REPORT ON THE UNITED STATES , ,SULLIVAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-08 US.PAVILION DESIGNED FOR POZNAN FAIR JUNE, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 04-14 DOME-SHAPED PLASTIC ROOF PLANNED , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 04-19 DODGERS GET PLAN FOR SITE IN QUEENS,... , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 05-06 US.EXHIBIT COMPETE W/RED CHINA TRADE FAIR, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 05-06 JAPANESE FAIR OPENS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-01 FULLER GROUP COMPLETE STUDY OF MINI-EARTH, ,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL REC 06-01 WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT GEODESIC DOMES? , 72,OLSEN ,BETTER HOME/GARDEN 06-01 ATOMS VISUALIZED ,113,MULLER ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 06-05 ANALYSIS & CONSTRUCTION OF GEODESIC DOME , ,NEILL ,CAL POLY STATE U 06-10 POLES AT FAIR JAM U. S. DISPLAY , ,GRUSON ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-23 POZNAN FAIR CLOSE:US.PAVILIN ATRACT 1 MIL, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 10-01 FULLER STUDENTS BUILD GEODESIC PINE CONE , ,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL REC 10-06 TO ASIANS WE ARE THE STRANGE ONE , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 10-20 U. S. EXHIBIT STEALS SHOW AT TUNIS FAIR , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 GEO DOME FOR MISSION;CHAPEL KWANGJU,KOREA, ,I STAFF ,INTERIORS 12-11 FOUR TO MAKE THEATRES OF ALUMINUM DOMES , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 1958 02-04 EXPLORER IN ORBIT,US.GET RACE OUTER SPACE, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-01 DARKNESS UNDER THE DOME ,187,CORT ,NATION 04-01 IN OHIO:GEO DOME W/O COVER FOR METALS SOC, ,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECT RECORD 05-04 ABSTRACT GEO FORMULA BLOSSOM IN DOME BLDG, ,ENNIS ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-10 FULLER'S DOMES CATCH ON AT LAST , ,BW STAFF ,BUSINESS WEEK 05-25 DOMED SHOP AREA TO RISE IN CANADA , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-01 WH.EISENMAN,CLEVELAND,NAT SEC,AM SOC METL, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 07-01 TOTAL DESIGN ,244,MCHALE ,ARCHITECTURE/BLDG 08-01 COMPLX ALOY STRUCT REGARD SPHERE PACK,PT1,184,FRANK ,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPH 08-10 ELECTRONIC ENGINEERS TO SUPPORT DEW. LINE, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-15 THE PACKING OF EQUAL SPHERES ,609,ROGERS ,LONDON MATHEMAT SOC 09-15 PERIODIC TABLE FOR FUNDAMENTAL PARTICLES , 1,GREBE ,ANNALS NY.ACAD SCI 10-15 BUSINESS SIDELIGHTS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 10-20 FULLER FUTURE , 84,T STAFF ,TIME 11-01 BUCKY'S BIGGEST BY FAR AT BATON ROUGE , ,PRA STAFF,PROGRESSIVE ARCH 11-01 BIN ALGEBR DES CRYST STRCT W/CLS-PCK ANIN,469,LOEB,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPHICA 12-01 BIN ALGEBR DES CRYST STRCT W/CLS-PCK ANIN,469,LOEB,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPHICA 1959 01-08 US.PLANS BIG ALUMINUM DOME MOSCOW FAIR , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 01-24 PRESIDENT BACK FROM U. S. FAIR IN SOVIET , ,BELAIR ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-28 U. S. EXHIBIT AIMS IN MOSCOW GIVEN , ,SAARINEN ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-01 GEODESIC DOMES , ,UYANIK ,SOUTHERN ENGINEER 05-05 KRUSCHEV US.FAIR SITE IMPRES BY ALUM DOME, ,CARUTHERS,NEW YORK TIMES 05-17 COEXISTENCE GAIN US.FAIR SITE IN SOVIET , ,SALISBURY,NEW YORK TIMES 06-01 CHEAPER POWER THROUGH HIGHER VOLTAGES , ,HAMILL ,FORTUNE 06-14 SKYLIGHT DOME PROTECTS PATIO BEACH HOTEL , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-20 PLASTIC DOME DUE AT MODERN MUSEUM , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-21 MODERN ARCHITECTURE'S NEW LOOK , ,PRESTON ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-01 L'ARCHITECTURE DE LA FIN DU XX SIECLE , ,LO STAFF ,L'OEIL 07-11 US.FAIR GUIDE MOSCOW SHOW WAY W/HARD WORK, ,CARUTHERS,NEW YORK TIMES 07-13 ARCHITECTURE: UMBRELLA MAN , 84,TOMKINS ,NEWSWEEK 07-26 MOSCOW ATTRACTION , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-02 MOSCOW GETS A GLIMPSE OF AMERICA , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-03 ULTIMATE WEAPON , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-11 SYMBOL OF TECHNOLOGY MOSCOW FAIR FAILINGS, ,FRANKEL ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-23 THE BREAKTHROUGH OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER , 15,MARKS ,NEW YORK TIMES MAG 08-28 MUSEUM DOMES,TRUSS SHOW NEW BUILDING IDEA, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 09-01 COMPLX ALOY STRUCT REGARD SPHER PACK,PT2 ,483,FRANK,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPHIC 09-19 U. S. TRADE SHOW A HIT IN MADRAS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 09-20 MUSEUM TO OFFER WORKS OF FULLER , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 09-22 ART:NEW DIRECTION ARCHITECTURE AT MUSEUM , ,CANADAY ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-26 PLYWOOD GEODESIC DOME PATTERN , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 09-27 FUTURE PREVIEW:BF INNOVATIN TRANSFRM ARCH, ,HUXTABLE ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-28 EGG-CRATE'SCH ARCH CALL ED STRAIGHT JACKT, ,HECHNIGER,NEW YORK TIMES 10-01 TENSEGRITY ON 53RD STREET , 29,AN STAFF ,ARTNEWS 10-10 TO SHELTER JAPAN'S HOMELESS , ,WEEKS ,NEW YORK TIMES 10-17 THRONGS ATTEND INT'L TRADE FAIR IN PERU , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-10 NEW FRENCH ARENA UNDER CONSTRUCTION , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-29 THREE BUILDINGS THREE AGES , ,HUXTABLE ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 DOME STRUCTURES , 89,CE STAFF ,CONSULTING ENGINR 12-02 WOLCOTT FULLER,61,GEN ELEC PUBLICITY MAN , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 1960 04-07 PRINCETON BUILD 6-1/2'GLOBAL MAP DES: BF , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 04-22 U.S.GOLDEN DOME,GLASS PAVILION--MOSCOW , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 04-24 BUCKY FULLER SPEAKING ON INVISIBLE STRUCT, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-01 THE DESIGN OF A GEODESIC DOME , 47,UYANIK,N.CAROLINA ST COL.DS 07-23 BF STATUARY MMA DESC COL PLEASANT OASIS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-10 BNRY ALG DESC CRYST STRUCT W/CLOSPACK,PT2,434,MORRIS,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPHI 08-15 ATOMIC MODELS IN TEACHING CHEMISTRY ,307,SANDERSON,CHEMICAL EDUCATIN 08-21 PLAN ANN 45000 SEAT DOME COV BASEBAL STAD, ,A P STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 09-01 LE GRAND PROJECT , ,STAFF ,ARCH AUJOURD'HUI 11-01 STRUCTURAL FORMS--METAL DOMES ,194,HOWARD ,ARCHITECTURAL REC 12-28 RICHARD BUCKMINSTER FULLER ,153,CB STAFF ,CURRENT BIOGRAPHY 1961 01-03 SUBSIDY CONST ALUMINUM TRUSS FOR BF SHOW , ,CANADAY ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-27 DOME DESIGN ADDS TO SCHOOL'S SPACE , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-01 BAMBOO GEODESICS:BF DOME-SHAPED SHELTERS , ,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECT FORUM 04-01 CHAIN OF 30 DOMES PLANNED SHOW BLDG PROD , 7,AF STAFF ,ARCHITECT FORUM 07-01 HOME DOME: FULLER RESIDENCE S ILLINOIS U , ,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECT REVIEW 07-07 RICHARD BUCKMINSTER FULLER ,290,MCHALE ,ARCHITECT DESIGN 08-05 POLYHEDRAL & MOSAIC TRANSFORMATION , 3,STUART ,N.CAROLINA STATE 08-07 THE ARCHITECT AS WORLD PLANNER ,235,AD STAFF ,ARCHITECT DESIGN 08-27 MISSILE-AGE EYE IN THE ARCTIC , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-28 SCIENTIF GROUP SEEKS DATA FOR MARKET USE , ,FREEMAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-10 HAUNTED CABIN , ,NICHOLS ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-24 SCULPTOR OF FANTASY , ,HUXTABLE ,NEW YORK TIMES 10-01 SYMETRY IN VIRUS ARCHITECTURE ,348,HORNE ,VIROLOGY 10-11 ZEKENDORF SIGN PACT BUY CNTRL YONKER RACE, ,PERLUMUTTER,NEW YORK TIMES 10-15 ARCHITECTURE: TODAY AND TOMORROW , ,JONES ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 HOW BLDG TEAM ACHIEVED AWARD-WINNING DOME, ,BC STAFF ,BLDG CONSTRUCT 12-10 AFTER THE FORM GIVERS, THE BUILDERS , ,FITCH ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-24 DESIGN FOR ED BLDG DEPART FROM TRADITIONL, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 1962 01-01 B.FULLER:SEUOLE ARCH PIANIFICHINO IL MOND, ,A STAFF ,ARCHITETTURA 01-31 LONDON TALK,US.DESIGN DOME ASK VAST EFFRT, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-09 MCHALE'S 'R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER' , ,SULLIVAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-01 MODULEDRA BUILDING BLOCKS , 44,LOEB ,INDUSTRIAL DESIGN 08-02 METALLIC DOME-STRUCTURE SYSTEMS ,201,LI ,STRUCTURAL DIV ASCE 08-15 DENSE NON-CRYST PACKING OF EQUAL SPHERES ,916,MACKAY,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPHI 10-21 FIVE SHAPERS OF TODAY'S SKYLINE , ,BLAKE ,NEW YORK TIMES 10-28 ARTNEWS ANNUAL , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-01 SCULPTURES TO BUILD WITH ,120,SNELSON ,FORTUNE 11-04 JOHN MCHALE'S BOOK 'R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-10 FORD SHOWPLACE BURNS: LOSS IS 15 MILLION , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-20 ELECT MICROSCOP STUDIE ARCH ANIMAL VIRUS , 25,WILDY ,SYMPOS QUANT BIO 12-01 LES STRUCTURES DE BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,MCHALE,ARCHITECTURE AUJOURD 12-15 MOD ALGEBRA FOR DESCRIPT CRYSTAL STRUCTS ,219,LOEB ,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRA 1963 01-01 THE STRUCTURE OF VIRUSES , 48,HORNE ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 01-02 CREATIVE ARTIST ELECTED TO NATL INSTITUTE, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 02-01 A DESIGN FOR THE ATOM , 48,SNELSON ,INDUSTRIAL DESIGN 02-06 CINERAMA BACKS A NEW THEATER , ,SCHUMACH ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-01 POLYHEDRAL & MOSAIC TRANSFORMATIONS , 2,DUNCAN,N.CAROLINA ST U.DES 04-05 SCIENTISTS PLAN FOR BUILDING ON THE MOON , ,ATKINSON ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-21 MAKERS OF CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURE , ,MCHALE ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-14 DAY PICKS WINNER OF STAMP DESIGN , ,LIDMAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-23 HONORS BESTOWED BY ARTS ACADEMY , ,KNOX ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-08 ARCHITECT SUMS UP , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 07-08 WORLD EXPERT HUNT WAY END THRET CHAOS URB LIVIN, ,NYT STAFF,N Y TIMES 07-28 FIVE PEOPLE ROLLED INTO ONE , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 IDEAS,INTEGRI;SPONTANEOUS AUTOBIO DISCLOS, ,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL REC 08-05 COMPREHENSIVE MAN , ,N STAFF ,NEWSWEEK 08-12 GEOMETRICAL BASIS CRYSTAL CHEMISTRY, PT7 ,857,WELLS,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPHIC 08-14 MODULE CRYST MODS;TEACH,RES AID SOLIDSTAT,190,LOEB ,AM JURNAL PHYSICS 09-13 BF BRAVE NEW WORLD FOUND WANTING BY ONE , ,ATKINSON ,NEW YORK TIMES 10-03 PAEAN TO PIGEONS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-24 GEODESIC DOME TOPS THEATER IN HOLLYWOOD , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 1964 01-10 DESIGN: THE DYMAXION AMERICAN , 46,T STAFF ,TIME 02-01 ARCHIMEDEAN POLY BASIS TETRA COORD FRMWRK,1008,MOORE ,MINERALOGICAL MAG 03-01 A CRYSTAL ALGEBRA FOR LAVES PHASES , ,LOEB,LEDGEMONT LAB TECH REP 03-01 B. F GIVEN ANNL SPECL AWARD BY BRANDEIS U, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-15 INDIA WARMING UP TO GEODESIC DOME , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 04-01 INDIA WARMING UP TO GEODESIC DOME , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 04-01 BUCKY FULLER'S FIRSTHAND GOD , ,CC STAFF ,CHRISTIAN CENTURY 05-01 THE GEOSCOPE , ,MCHALE ,ARCHITECTURAL DES 05-17 DIVISION OF HEX NET,SYS GEN CRYST STRUCTS,179,LOEB,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPHICA 05-27 BF GIVEN SPEC COMM AWARD NOTABLE ACHIEVE , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-01 A SURVEY OF ALCOHOL AS A MOTOR FUEL , 1,BOLT ,SOC AUTO ENG CONF 06-01 COMPAR PERFORM ALCOHOL,HYDROCARBON FUEL , 14-,STARKMAN,SOC AUTO ENG CONF 06-01 ROLE OF ARCHITECT: PROPRIETARY PROTECTION, 193,SNELSON ,PROGRESSIVE ARCH 07-11 SPHERICAL BUILDING DESIGN RECEIVES PATENT, ,JONES ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-24 SPHERICAL BUILDING DESIGN RECEIVES PATENT, ,JONES ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-26 POPULAR U. S. FAIR CLOSES IN ALGIERS , ,BRAESTRYS,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 TRANSLATION-PERMUTATIN OPERAT ALGEBRA,PT1,1561,GEHMAN ,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRA 08-04 MR. FULLER'S WORLD , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-04 MORE EXCHANGES URGED , ,SHOBAD ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-13 MR. FULLER'S WORLD , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-13 OBSERVATIONS: FULLER'S WORLD , ,NS STAFF ,NEW SOCIETY 08-14 SCIENTI GROUP FORM SUPPORT JOHNSON ELECT, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 09-13 CITY OF LEARNING , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 10-01 INVENTOR OF THE MONTH , ,JONES ,SCIENCE DIGEST 10-11 WHY ARE WE CONCERNED? , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-01 THE CRYSTOGRAPH , ,LOEB,LEDGEMONT LAB TECH REP 11-16 DAVE GARROWAY (TV SHOW) , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 CRYST STRUCT SEMICONDUCT,GENL VALENCE RUL, 1,PEARSON,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRAPH 1965 02-01 DICHROMATIC SYMMETRI DIV EUCLIDEAN PLANE , ,LOEB,LEDGEMONT LAB TECH REP 02-01 MEMBRANE FORCES,BUCKLING RETICULATED SHEL,173,WRIGHT,STR DIV,AM.SOC.CVL 02-03 NEW EXHIBITION FAIR WILL HONOR CHURCHILL , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-28 INSTANT SLUM CLEARANCE , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 04-01 INSTANT SLUM CLEARANCE ,109,MEYER ,ESQUIRE 04-25 UNITED STATE ARCHITECTURE SHOWN IN SOVIET, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-17 MODEL FOR US.PAVILION MONTREAL FAIR SET , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-17 MODEL US.PAVILION'67 CANADIAN FAIR UNVEIL, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 07-01 DES YOUTH MODERN LIVING;DOME W/PLSTC COV, 48,UC STAFF ,UNESCO COURIER 07-01 TOKYO COURSE AWARDED 1966 CANADA CUP GOLF, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 TRANSLATION-PERMUTATION OPERAT ALGEBR,PT2,1561,GEHMAN ,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRA 08-06 MONOHEX DOME, A GEODESIC KIN, PATENTED , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-07 NEW VERSION OF GEODESIC DOME IS PATENTED , ,JONES ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-09 BUCKLING OF FRAMED DOMES ,120,BUCHERT ,ENGINEERING JRNL 08-11 GEOMETRICAL BASIS O CRYSTAL CHEMISTRY,PT8,894,WELLS, ,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRA 08-13 CLOSE-PACKN SPHERON THEORY,NUCLEAR FISION,297,PAULING ,SCIENCE 08-15 REMARK SOME ELEM VOL RELATION BETWN SOLID,417,MT STAFF ,MATHEMATIC TEACH 09-26 CHALLENGES & CHOICES , ,SR STAFF ,SATURDAY REVIEW 11-01 STRUCT DESIGN CONCEPT FUTURE SPACE MISION, ,CLINTON ,NASA PROGRESS REP 12-01 WORLD ORG CUL PROPOSED WHITE HOUSE PARLEY, ,CLARK ,NEW YORK TIMES 1966 01-01 SPACE STRUCTURES,THE ELECTRONIC COMPUTER , 8,MAKOWSKI ,ARCHITECTURAL DES 01-01 SURVEY OF RECENT 3-DIMENSIONAL STRUCTURES, 10,MAKOWSKI ,ARCHITECTURAL DES 01-08 PROFILES: IN THE OUTLAW AREA , ,TOMKINS ,NEW YORKER 01-23 ART NOTES: FLOTSAM, NOT JETSAM , ,GLUECK ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-01 CALCULATE A GEODESIC DOME , 97,BENDEVSKI,UNKNOWN 03-01 HOW TO GET PLANS FOR A 30 FOOT DOME , ,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 04-16 ART:CONSTR'TENSEG'PRIN-SNELSON SHO BF INF, ,CANADAY ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-01 ANY NUMBER CAN PLAY , ,CORT ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-08 SUNDAY SHOWCASE 'CAN CULTURE EXPLODE' , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-01 HISTORICISM & RESPECT FOR TRADITION ,275,DORE ,STUDIO INTL 06-01 KENNETH SNELSON: DWAN GALLERY , 52,BERKSON ,ARTS MAGAZINE 06-01 EDUCATION FOR REAL , ,MCHALE ,WRLD.ACAD.ART.SCI 06-01 MOLECULAR MODEL-BUILDING BY COMPUTER , 42,LEVINTHAL,SCIENTIFIC AMER 06-05 A VISIT TO'MR.SHAW'S GARDENS'IN ST.LOUIS , ,MARSH ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-08 GRAD OF LIU.LEAD CLAS W/PERFECT ACAD REC , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-16 SHRINKING THE POWER CENTERS , ,STAFF ,NEW SCIENTIST 07-01 PICTURE OF AN ATOM ,174,HOLMES ,PROGRESSIVE ARCH 07-01 HOW PRIMARY IS STRUCTURE , ,SNELSON ,ART VOICES 07-27 CYPRIOTE LAND PLEDGED FOR ONE WORLD CENTR, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 ANALYTIC MET REPRESENT INORGANC CRYST STR,A33,SMIRNOVA ,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRA 08-10 SYNESTRUCTICS , ,PEARCE ,GRAHAM FOUND REPRT 09-01 KENNETH SNELSON: DWAN GALLERY , 57,MELLOW ,ART INTERNATIONAL 10-02 THAT BUCKY FULLER SURE IS A HIGH FLIER , ,VON ECKARDT,WASHINGTON POST 11-13 PLACE TO WATCH: SITE OF EXPO '67 , ,FORGERON ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-18 BALANCE AND ORDER VS. DEMON CHAOS , ,JELLINEK ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 DERIVATIVES OF BODY-CENTERED CUBIC LATICE, ,LOEB,LEDGEMONT LAB TECH REP 12-01 JEUNES TALENTS DE LA SCULPTURE AMERICAINE,159,ASHTON ,AUJOURD'HUI USA 12-01 SURVEY OF OPTIMAL STRUCTURAL DESIGN ,19A,BARNETT ,EXPERIMENTAL MECH 12-04 PHOTOGRAPHY AT MONTREAL'S EXPO '67 , ,DESCHIN ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-11 CONVEX POLYHEDRA WITH REGULAR FACES ,169,JOHNSON ,CANADIAN JRNL MATH 1967 02-01 NEW SYMBIOSIS , ,MCHALE ,ARCHITECTURAL DES 02-01 PEOPLE FUTURE , ,MCHALE ,ARCHITECTURAL DES 02-01 2000+ , ,MCHALE ,ARCHITECTURAL DES 03-01 AN INTERVIEW WITH KENNETH SNELSON , 46,COPLANS ,ARTFORUM 03-01 SPOLETO FEST 6/23:MENOTI LIST ATRCT;SEK $, ,ZOLOTOW ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-01 20-STORY BUBLE BY BF HOLD US.EXPO'67 DISP, ,TELTSCH ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-23 RUSSELL'S'TRIBUNAL'RENTS BIG L BANK HALL , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-29 DICK CAVETT OFFERS HOUSEWIVES 2ND COFFEE , ,GOULD ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-01 THE PLASTIC PARTHENON , ,MCHALE ,DOTZERO 04-16 FAIR WAY TO CELEBRATE CANADA'S CENTENNIAL, ,FRIEDLANDER,NEW YORK TIMES 04-23 EXPO'67:AGAIN THE US.& USSR ARE RIVAL , ,LEE ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-23 EXPO'67 WILL OPEN NEXT FRI;30 MIL VISITOR, ,WALZ ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-23 AN EXPO NAMED BUCKMINSTER FULLER , 32,JACOBS ,NEW YORK TIMES MAG 04-24 US.PAVILION EXPO'67 OPEN W/SPACE,ART DISP, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 04-28 EXPO '67 , ,EDITOR ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-28 PEARSON LIT EXPO67 FLAM;MON MAN OPEN:7000, ,WALZ ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-28 FAIR/FLAIR:EXPO'67 SHOW VAR W/CONTROL PLN, ,HUXTABLE ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-30 ART: EXORCISM IN MONTREAL , ,CANADAY ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-30 EAST MEETS WEST AT EXPO '67 , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 05-01 LOS ANGELES: THE FAILURE & FUTURE OF ART , 54,VON MEIER,ART INTERNATIONAL 05-05 SOVIET PAV EXPO'67 OVERWHELM;CZECH IMAGIN, ,ALDEN ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-07 ARCHITECTURE: FAIR, FAIRER, FAIREST , ,HUXTABLE ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-12 DESIGN,POLITIC GATHR MAL EXPLOR CITY ILL , ,SCHUMACH ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-18 ROMNEY DISAPPOINTED BY US.EXHIBIT EXPO'67, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 05-20 MORLEY'S WRITING CABIN BE HISTORICAL SITE, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 05-26 JOHNSON FLIES TO EXPO67;CONFERS W/PEARSON, ,FRANKEL ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-31 BF BUILD SPOLETO THEATR;MOORE DES'GIOVANI, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-04 DIVERGENT VIEWS ABOUT EXPO '67 , ,READER ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-18 ALASKA HAS EXPO ALL ITS OWN;US.PAV DOME , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-18 O, THAT PAVILION , ,ALBRIGHT ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-25 TWO WORLDS MEET AGAIN IN SPOLETO , ,DEARDORFF,NEW YORK TIMES 07-02 CITIZENS-EYE VIEW OF US.PAV AT EXPO '67 , ,FRIEDLANDER,NEW YORK TIMES 07-21 US.PAVILION AT EXPO '67 GIVEN TO MONTREAL, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 07-24 JOHN CAGE HOLDS A JEWISH HAPPENING , ,SHEPARD ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 SANITARZELLE GLASFASER-VERSTARKT PALATAL , 41,STAFF ,BASF, AG 08-20 ART NOTES: EXPO AU GO-GO , ,GLUECK ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-01 ARCH SEES NEED FOR GREAT RELIGIOUS EDIFIC, ,ROBERTS ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-01 MATERIALS , 66,SMITH ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 09-20 COMM PARLEY SUBJECT:VISION OPEN 10/19 NYU, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 09-30 UNDERWATER DOME , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 10-20 COMMUNICATIONS AND SURVIVAL , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-01 THE WIDE WORLD OF BUCKY FULLER , ,P STAFF ,PACE 11-01 A TWO-MILE HIGH TOWER? FOR NOW, FORGET IT,156,MM STAFF ,MATERIALS/METHODS 11-13 ALASKA'S CENTENNIAL SHOW , ,CHRISTOPHERSON,N Y TIMES 11-28 CHILD,ART:ENVIRON KEY TO ACHIEVE BF THEME, ,TAUBMAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-29 PRELIMINARY REPORT , ,DALEY ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-29 TREES FOR CHRISTMAS, CELEBRITY STYLE , ,KLEMESRUD,NEW YORK TIMES 11-30 MICRONESIA: DISENCHANT GROW PACIFIC ISLES, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 THE RULE OF FIVE IN ANIMALS ,546,NICHOLS ,NEW SCIENTIST 1968 01-01 KENNETH SNELSON: DWAN GALLERY , 55,BRUNELLE ,ARTNEWS 01-01 AMERICAN SCULPTURE: A NEW SCENE , 9,BARO ,STUDIO INTERNATL 01-21 JOHN CAGE'S 'A YEAR FROM MONDAY' , ,TOMKINS ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-01 K SNELSON; DIALOGUE BETWEEN STRES,TENSION, 27,BATTCOCK ,ARTS MAGAZINE 02-16 ARTS BODY TO HONOR AUDEN AND FULLER , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 02-24 R. B FULLER WINS BRITISH ARCH MEDAL , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 02-25 ART NOTES:MALEVICH THRU MINIMAL EYES , ,GLUECK ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-01 KENNETH SNELSON: DWAN GALLERY , 58,WASSERMAN,EMILY,ARTFORUM 04-01 POLLEN , 80,ECHLIN ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 04-02 PARENTS'GROUP FINDS SPEAKING UP PAYS OFF , ,BENDER ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-21 CANADA TO PAY OFF ITS EXPO HOUSING CLAIM , ,LAZARUS ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-21 ISAMU NOGUCHI: A SELECTIVE ANTHOLOGY' , ,KRAMER ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-05 THE POINT OF VIEW THAT SANCTIFIES , ,MELLON ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-17 EXPO '67'S SEQUEL WILL OPEN TODAY , ,WALZ ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-26 ARCHITECTS HONOR BUILDING DESIGN , ,ENNIS ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-09 MONTREAL FAIR'S BUBBLE NOW BIRDCAGE WALK , ,LAZARUS ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-28 M J.POLLARD IN ALPS; HOW C.W.MOSS WON WAR, ,SHIVAS ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-28 AMERICAN IMAGE ABROAD , ,HUXTABLE ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-30 TREATY ON DESIGN PATENTS NEAR , ,JONES ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 TOWARD THE FUTURE , ,MCHALE ,DESIGN QUARTERLY 08-17 PERIODIC TABLE FOR FUNDAMENTAL PARTICLES , 1,GREBE ,ANNAL NY.ACAD SCI 08-26 GEOMETRICAL BASIS OF CRYSTAL CHEM, PT 9 , 50,WELLS ,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRA 09-01 WORLD ENERGY RESOURCES IN THE FUTURE , 4,MCHALE ,FUTURES 10-01 KENNETH SNELSON: THE ELEGANT SOLUTION , ,KURTZ ,ARTNEWS 10-14 THE SKELETONS IN BRYANT PARK , 58,ZOGBAUM ,NEW YORK MAGAZINE 10-20 MAN & HIS WORLD CLOSE ON OPTOMISTIC NOTE , ,WALZ ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-31 A SMOKELESS, NOISELESS, TRAFFICLESS CITY , ,SULLIVAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 1969 01-05 NOT A GEODESIC DOME , ,LEVINE ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-01 BUCKMINSTER FULLER'S FLOATING CITY , ,SADAO ,FUTURIST 03-01 ENTERING THE AGE OF THE UNSPECIALIST , ,P STAFF ,PACE 03-20 WHEN THE DIVINE FIT WAS ON , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-30 EXPO ENCORE TO ENCORE , ,LAZARUS ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-20 OPERATING MANUAL FOR SPACESHIP EARTH , ,KENNER ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-20 WHEN THE DIVINE FIT WAS ON , ,SCHJEDAHL,NEW YORK TIMES 05-11 TOMORROW, THE WORLD , ,GLUECK ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-18 MISSOURI GARDEN TAKES THE LEAD CLIMATRON , ,FAUST ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-25 J JACOBS:AGAINST URBAN RENEWAL, FOR LIFE , ,KENT ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-01 OHIO'S 11-STORY GEODESIC DOME SEEMS FLOAT, ,DUNBAR ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-21 B F CONFUSE INDIAN W/TALK ON SYNERGETICS , ,RANGAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 ASYSTEMATIC SURVEY CUBIC CRYSTAL STRUCTS , ,LOEB,LEDGEMONT LAB TECH REP 08-13 BF INSIST WORLD END POVERTY WITHIN 25 YR , ,BURGESS ,CHRISTIAN SCI MON 08-15 GEOMETRICAL BASIS CRYSTAL CHEMISTRY, PT10,1711,WELLS ,ACTA CRYSTALLOGRA 09-01 INFE PERIOD MIN SURFS W/O SELF-INTERSCT,1,C98,SCHOEN ,NASA TECH NOTE 10-01 DESIGN,CONSTRUCTION OF 60'DIAM GEOD DOME ,257,SPENCER ,BLDG TECH/MANAGE 11-01 MEET B FULLER, AMBASSADOR FROM TOMORROW ,199,WARSHOFSKY,READER'S DIGEST 11-01 WORLD GAME , ,TH STAFF ,THINK 11-11 NEHRU MEMORIAL LECTURE , ,HT STAFF ,HINDUSTAN TIMES 11-14 FULLER DEPLORES STRESS ON SPECIALIZATION , ,S STAFF ,STATESMAN 11-14 UTOPIA OR OBLIVION BY 85, SAYS SCIENTIST , ,TI STAFF ,TIMES OF INDIA 11-14 'INDIA EXPLOITED BY OUTSIDERS' , ,IE STAFF ,INDIAN EXPRESS 11-14 BF NEHRU MEM LECT'INDIA VICT MONE MISCHIF, ,PA STAFF ,PATRIOT 11-14 PLANNING A HOME FOR 'WORLD MAN' , ,NH STAFF ,NATIONAL HERALD 11-14 BF FORESE OMNI-WORLD UTOPIA LIBERAT YOUTH, ,HT STAFF ,HINDUSTAN TIMES 11-15 NEHRU REMEMBERED WITH ROSES , ,S STAFF ,STATESMAN 12-19 --NO TITLE--, PART IV , 1,YOUNGBLOOD,L A FREE PRESS 12-26 TECHNOANARCHY, PART V: WORLD GAME REPORT , ,YOUNGBLOOD,L A FREE PRESS -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 05:39:16 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Yet another solar heated swimming pool Bruno, Thomas A. wrote: >What about the straw rotting? Not a problem if it's kept dry. >What about rodents? Unlikely, if the perimeter wall is put up with mortar. >What about compression of the straw under the pool? One of my neighbors has a circular on-ground pool with a "stretchable liner," that makes it 18" deeper than it appears to be from the side... Nick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:05:53 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: WLauritzen Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: FAST COMPUTER NEEDED Read my post "A Number Challenge" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:18:32 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: bill paton Organization: bp ent. Subject: Re: The Geodesic Network, OpenDoc, and CyberDog I found this article very interesting and quite refreshing. I need time to think about it though. One of the things that is happening like Robert talks about is how the Internet is changing our notions of the world. If we are to be anticipatory, it would be safe to say that the world in which we will be living in ten years from now will be unlike the one we are living in now. As comprehensive anticipatory design scientists, we must look at the way the world is heading. It is likely that by the turn of the century, there will be one computer language and overlapping system, whether that is Opendoc, Java or whatever. Thus it will allow all computers to talk to each other in a systematic way. Also, as people are able to control their own trade, questions such as government intervention will be questioned. Fuller had the idea of planning for fifty years ahead; in our computer age this will no longer be possible. Even twenty years ahead will be extremely difficult. I believe that using more with less will lead to more individuality and a world where there will be more equality and hope for the future. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:05:10 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: William Bahnfleth Organization: CAC Subject: Re: Yet another solar heated swimming pool Nick Pine writes: >Bruno, Thomas A. wrote: >>What about the straw rotting? >Not a problem if it's kept dry. >>What about rodents? >Unlikely, if the perimeter wall is put up with mortar. >>What about compression of the straw under the pool? >One of my neighbors has a circular on-ground pool with a "stretchable liner," >that makes it 18" deeper than it appears to be from the side... Straw bale construction is not really a new idea, although a straw bale swimming pool might be... As part of a "sustainable" technology program, a group of Architectural Engineering/Architecture/Landscape Architecture students here at PSU have been designing and plan to build a straw bale building that will serve as a meeting center. The walls will be covered with stucco. The R-value of such walls is quite high and, as Nick notes, it doesn't rot if you keep it dry. I've occasionally wondered whether it would be cost effective to shrink-wrap the bales before installing them to make sure there's no moisture migration, but people who know say that it shouldn't be necessary. Bill Bahnfleth -- William P. Bahnfleth, Ph.D., P.E. Department of Architectural Engineering Penn State-University Park wpb5@psu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:21:07 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "KLOCKLEY@DELPHI.COM" Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Subject: Geodesic organizational model James, Robert -- Seems to me that the geodesic paradigm for corporate organizations isn't that far off -- but only because the members of both are subjected to upredictable tensions, and nobody is quite sure how they remain standing. But let me suggest an alternate model I think is more accurate, the Jenga model. Jenga is a game where you start with a stable structure and remove elements until the structure collapses. (and of course the player who removed that last critical element loses.) Corporate organizations aren't deliberately constructed; most often, today, they are REDUCED into a sort of temporary stability. Just thought I'd throw that in. -Walt ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:10:22 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Perl/Postscript dome calculator/viewer Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Comments: cc: boldt@IDSONLINE.COM, joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TO: Joe Moore et al RE: Perl script for doing domes, Postscript header/footer for viewing results Joe: Thanks for passing on David Boldt's Perl version of Joseph Clinton's program. I was able to FTP the Perl part over to my Internet Service Provider (ISP) in downtown Portland, run it via Telnet, FTP the plot.data file back to my drive, sandwich it between the Postscript header and footers provided, and view/print a hardcopy of a 3-frequency sphere. Didn't take all that long. I'm somewhat surprised how smoothly it went. I'm no UNIX/Perl-head, so if there'd been anything amiss, I'd have been at a loss. A credit to David that a know-nothing like me could get this thing to work. Of course Rick Bono's DOME is an easier solution for me, but it's fun to try alternative solutions and verify that they work. Now I'm wondering about a Java version... Kirby >> >> Joe Moore wrote: >> > >> > Curt Flowers writes: >> > > Anyway, my interest: I wrote a program deacades ago (on punch cards, as I >> > > recall) to produce chord factors and am curious as to how others have coded >> > > the computations. >> > >> > Would you be willing to post your code? >> >> Below is a reformulation of a BASIC program by Joseph D. Clinton in perl: >> >> #! /usr/bin/perl ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:56:14 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: syn-l: Re: Perl/Postscript dome calculator/viewer Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com, boldt@IDSONLINE.COM, joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com At 04:10 PM 3/27/96 -0800, I wrote: > >TO: Joe Moore et al >RE: Perl script for doing domes, Postscript header/footer for viewing results > >Joe: > >Thanks for passing on David Boldt's Perl version of Joseph Clinton's program. > > >Now I'm wondering about a Java version... > >Kirby > And now it's 12:31 AM 3/28/96 (about 8 hours later) and I've got a Java conversion of David's Perl conversion of Joseph Clinton's BASIC program. The applet is on display at http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/terms.html (jpg picture appears in place of the applet, for those without Java who want to see what it looks like). Because its a web thing, it doesn't write any output files, but draws directly to the web page. Here's my source code (apologies to those who'd rather not get such in their in-box): /* # ==================================================================== # Calculate some information on different dome frequencies and display # ==================================================================== # # a Java adaptation of # a perl shell script adaptation of # a BASIC program # # Written in BASIC by: Joseph D. Clinton June 1, 1991 # Converted to perl by: David Boldt August 28, 1992 # Converted to Java by: Kirby Urner March 27, 1996 # # v.01 Initial conversion to Java applet # //{{using Cafe Java IDE by Symantec # -------------------------------------------- Technical notes: dome.class passes a reference to itself to DomePanel.class so the two can talk to one another (DomePanel manipulates screen controls, and vice versa). Dome is the whole applet whereas DomePanel is the drawing panel, instantiated as DrawPanel in the dome applet. DomePanel contains all the guts of the BASIC/Perl program, rewritten as Java methods (used same procedure and variable names -- basically a cut and paste operation, followed by syntax conversion). Several methods from the original were omitted (e.g. the procedures to list chords, count how many, and sort them into ascending order), since this applet has to live in an essentially read-only environment (Java security forbids outputting files, for the most part). But that's OK, since we can draw the results immediately to the screen. */ import java.awt.*; import java.applet.*; public class dome extends Applet { DomePanel DrawPanel; //{{DECLARE_CONTROLS CheckboxGroup group1; Checkbox check1; Checkbox check2; Scrollbar scrollbar1; Button button1; Label label1; Label label2; Label label3; Label lbl; Label label4; Label label5; //}} // stub to support stand-alone version (unused by applet) public static void main(String args[]){ Frame f = new Frame("My Window"); dome myapp = new dome(); myapp.init(); myapp.start(); f.add("Center",myapp); f.resize(450,450); f.show(); } public void init() { super.init(); //lots of nit-picky positioning of screen controls, automated by Symantec Cafe //(I used a visual form designer tool) //{{INIT_CONTROLS setLayout(null); addNotify(); resize(insets().left + insets().right + 343, insets().top + insets().bottom + 311); DrawPanel=new DomePanel(this); DrawPanel.setLayout(null); add(DrawPanel); DrawPanel.reshape(insets().left + 7,insets().top + 8,263,225); group1= new CheckboxGroup(); check1=new Checkbox("1/20",group1, true); add(check1); check1.reshape(insets().left + 280,insets().top + 64,53,17); check2=new Checkbox("5/8",group1, false); add(check2); check2.reshape(insets().left + 280,insets().top + 86,49,21); scrollbar1= new Scrollbar(Scrollbar.VERTICAL, 1,1,1,11); add(scrollbar1); scrollbar1.reshape(insets().left + 291,insets().top + 137,13,94); button1=new Button("Manual"); add(button1); button1.reshape(insets().left + 277,insets().top + 17,56,30); label1=new Label("Frequency"); label1.setFont(new Font("TimesRoman",Font.PLAIN,12)); add(label1); label1.reshape(insets().left + 268,insets().top + 114,65,15); label2=new Label("Synergetics on the Web"); label2.setFont(new Font("TimesRoman",Font.ITALIC,14)); add(label2); label2.reshape(insets().left + 14,insets().top + 238,189,21); label3=new Label("Java by K. Urner based on a program by Joseph Clinton"); label3.setFont(new Font("Dialog",Font.PLAIN,8)); add(label3); label3.reshape(insets().left + 14,insets().top + 261,301,15); lbl=new Label("1"); lbl.setFont(new Font("Dialog",Font.BOLD,12)); add(lbl); lbl.reshape(insets().left + 310,insets().top + 182,25,15); label4=new Label("converted from Perl version by David Boldt "); label4.setFont(new Font("Dialog",Font.PLAIN,8)); add(label4); label4.reshape(insets().left + 14,insets().top + 274,301,15); label5=new Label("Ver 1.0"); label5.setFont(new Font("Dialog",Font.ITALIC,10)); add(label5); label5.reshape(insets().left + 278,insets().top + 238,55,19); //}} } public void start() { DrawPanel.start(); } public void stop() { DrawPanel.stop(); } public boolean handleEvent(Event event) { if ((event.target instanceof Scrollbar)) { if (button1.getLabel() == "Cycle") { int v = ((Scrollbar)event.target).getValue(); lbl.setText(String.valueOf(DrawPanel.nu)); DrawPanel.nu = v ; DrawPanel.repaint(); } } else if (event.id == Event.ACTION_EVENT && event.target == check2) { clickeddome(); return true; } else if (event.id == Event.ACTION_EVENT && event.target == check1) { clickedtri(); return true; } else if (event.id == Event.ACTION_EVENT && event.target == button1) { clickedButton1(); return true; } return super.handleEvent(event); } public void clickedButton1() { // to do: put event handler code here. if (button1.getLabel()=="Manual"){ button1.setLabel("Cycle"); DrawPanel.stop(); } else { button1.setLabel("Manual"); DrawPanel.start(); } } public void clickedtri() { // to do: put event handler code here. DrawPanel.draft=true; DrawPanel.repaint(); } public void clickeddome() { // to do: put event handler code here. DrawPanel.draft=false; DrawPanel.repaint(); } } class DomePanel extends Panel implements Runnable{ Thread runner; Image offscreenImg; Graphics offscreenG; Dimension offscreensize; dome thisobj; Color backcolor = Color.white ; double tau = (1.0 + Math.sqrt(5)) / 2.0; double pi = Math.PI; double ra = pi/180.0; double ro = 0.0; double de = 180.0/pi; int sf_vp = 200; int x_vp = 320; int y_vp = 375; int nu = 1; int maxfreq = 10; double x[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double y[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double z[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double x1[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double y1[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double z1[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double x2[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double y2[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double z2[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; boolean draft = true; DomePanel (dome callingclass) { this.thisobj = callingclass ; } public void start () { if (runner == null) { runner = new Thread(this) ; runner.start(); } repaint(); } public void stop () { if (runner != null) { runner.stop() ; runner = null ; } } public void update (Graphics g) { Dimension d = size(); if ((offscreenImg == null) || (d.width != offscreensize.width) || (d.height != offscreensize.height)) { offscreenImg = createImage(d.width, d.height); offscreensize = d; offscreenG = offscreenImg.getGraphics(); } offscreenG.setColor(backcolor) ; offscreenG.fillRect(0,0, d.width, d.height); paint(offscreenG) ; g.drawImage(offscreenImg,0,0,this) ; } public void run () { while (runner != null) { for (int k = 1; k < maxfreq; k++) { this.nu = k ; repaint() ; try { Thread.sleep(400); } catch (InterruptedException e) { } } for (int k = maxfreq; k > 1; k--) { this.nu = k ; repaint() ; try { Thread.sleep(400); } catch (InterruptedException e) { } } } } public void paint (Graphics g) { // setchords(); setverts(); thisobj.scrollbar1.setValue(nu) ; thisobj.lbl.setText(String.valueOf(nu)); if(draft){ draft(g); } else { showdome(g); } } public void setverts() { // -- pre-allocate array space int i; int j; int index; double theta; double phi; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x[index] = j; z[index] = nu - i; y[index] = nu - x[index] - z[index]; z[index] = nu / 2.0 + z[index] / tau; y[index] = y[index] + x[index] * Math.cos(72.0 * ra); x[index] = x[index] * Math.sin(72.0 * ra); if ( y[index] == 0 ) { phi = 0; } else { phi = Math.atan2( x[index], y[index]); } if ( z[index] == 0 ) { theta = 0; } else { theta = Math.atan2(Math.sqrt( x[index]*x[index] + y[index]*y[index]), z[index] ); } x[index] = Math.cos(phi) * Math.sin(theta); y[index] = Math.sin(phi) * Math.sin(theta); z[index] = Math.cos(theta); } } } public int index2D(int i, int j) { return (nu+1) * i + j; } public void plot(Graphics g, Color color) { int index, index2, a, b, i, j; double x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop ; double cf, tempx, tempy, tempz; sf_vp = 200; x_vp = 320; y_vp = 375; // -- plot lattitude struts for (i = 1; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 1; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); index2 = index2D(i,j-1); if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); } } } a = 1; for (j = 0; j <= nu-1; j++) { for (i = a; i <= nu; i++) { index = index2D(i,j); index2 = index2D(i-1,j); if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); } } a++; } a = 1; b = 0; for (j = b; j <= nu-1; j++) { for (i = a; i <= nu; i++) { b++; index = index2D(i,b); index2 = index2D(i-1,b-1); if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); } } b = 0; a++; } } // -----------------------------------< function t1 public void t1(Graphics g, Color color) { int i,j,index ; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x1[index] = x[index]; y1[index] = y[index]; z1[index] = z[index]; } } plot(g, color); } // -----------------------------------< function t2 public void t2 (Graphics g, Color color) { int i,j,index ; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x1[index] = x[index]*Math.cos(ro) - y[index]*Math.sin(ro); y1[index] = x[index]*Math.sin(ro) + y[index]*Math.cos(ro); z1[index] = z[index]; } } plot(g, color); } // -----------------------------------< function t3 public void t3 (Graphics g, Color color) { int i,j,index; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x2[index] = x1[index]; y2[index] = y1[index]; z2[index] = z1[index]; } } plot(g, color); } // -----------------------------------< function e1 public void e1 (Graphics g, Color color) { int i,j,index; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x1[index] = -x2[index]*Math.cos(ro) - z2[index]*Math.sin(ro); y1[index] = y2[index]; z1[index] = -x2[index]*Math.sin(ro) + z2[index]*Math.cos(ro); } } plot(g, color); } // -----------------------------------< function e2 public void e2 (Graphics g, Color color) { int i,j,index; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x1[index] = -x[index]; y1[index] = y[index]; z1[index] = -z[index]; } } plot(g, color); } // -----------------------------------< function e3 public void e3() { int i,j,index; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x[index] = x1[index]; y[index] = y1[index]; z[index] = z1[index]; } } } // -----------------------------------< function draft // draw super-triangle with chords labeled public void draft(Graphics g) { int index, index2, a, b, i, j; double x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop ; double cf, tempx, tempy, tempz; Color color = Color.black; ro = 3.2 * 72.0 * ra; sf_vp = 400; y_vp = 550; t2(g, Color.black); // -- plot lattitude struts for (i = 1; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 1; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); index2 = index2D(i,j-1); if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); tempx = (x1[index2D(i,j) ] - x1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); tempy = (y1[index2D(i,j) ] - y1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); tempz = (z1[index2D(i,j) ] - z1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); cf = Math.sqrt(tempx*tempx + tempy*tempy + tempz*tempz); } } } // -- plot left edge struts a = 1; for (j = 0; j <= nu-1; j++) { for (i = a; i <= nu; i++) { index = index2D(i,j); index2 = index2D(i-1,j); if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); tempx = (x1[index2D(i,j) ] - x1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); tempy = (y1[index2D(i,j) ] - y1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); tempz = (z1[index2D(i,j) ] - z1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); cf = Math.sqrt(tempx*tempx + tempy*tempy + tempz*tempz); } } a++; } // -- plot right edge struts a = 1; b = 0; for (j = b; j <= nu-1; j++) { for (i = a; i <= nu; i++) { b++; index = index2D(i,b); index2 = index2D(i-1,b-1); if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); tempx = (x1[index2D(i,j) ] - x1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); tempy = (y1[index2D(i,j) ] - y1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); tempz = (z1[index2D(i,j) ] - z1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); cf = Math.sqrt(tempx*tempx + tempy*tempy + tempz*tempz); } } b = 0; a++; } } public void showdome(Graphics g){ int t; t1(g, Color.black); ro = 72.0 * ra; for (t = 1; t <= 4; t++) { ro = t * 72.0 * ra; t2(g, Color.black); if (t == 2 ) { t3(g, Color.black); } } // -- draw the second layer of the icosahedron (10 super-panels) ro = 52.622627 + 37.377373; e1(g, Color.blue); e3(); for (t = 1; t <= 4; t++) { ro = t * 72.0 * ra; t2(g, Color.blue); if (t == 2 ) { t3(g, Color.blue); } } e2(g, Color.green); e3(); for (t = 1; t <= 4; t++) { ro = t * 72.0 * ra; t2(g, Color.green); if (t == 2 ) { t3(g, Color.green); } } } public void mkline(Graphics g, Color color, double x_start, double y_start, double x_stop, double y_stop) { int x1,y1,x2,y2; if (draft) { x1 = (int)(x_start -180); y1 = (int)(y_start - 175); x2 = (int)(x_stop -180); y2 = (int)(y_stop - 175); } else { x1 = (int)(x_start/2 -30); y1 = (int)(y_start/2 - 75); x2 = (int)(x_stop/2 -30); y2 = (int)(y_stop/2 - 75); } g.setColor(color); g.drawLine(x1,y1,x2,y2); } } Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:56:21 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Java conversion of Perl conversion of BASIC program Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com, boldt@IDSONLINE.COM, joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com At 04:10 PM 3/27/96 -0800, I wrote: > >TO: Joe Moore et al >RE: Perl script for doing domes, Postscript header/footer for viewing results >... >Thanks for passing on David Boldt's Perl version of Joseph Clinton's program.... >Now I'm wondering about a Java version... > >Kirby > Well, its 8 hours later and I've got the Java version! The applet is on display at http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/terms.html (with a picture of it swapped in for those without Java). Here's my source: /* # ==================================================================== # Calculate some information on different dome frequencies and display # ==================================================================== # # a Java adaptation of # a perl shell script adaptation of # a BASIC program # # Written in BASIC by: Joseph D. Clinton June 1, 1991 # Converted to perl by: David Boldt August 28, 1992 # Converted to Java by: Kirby Urner March 27, 1996 # # v.1 Initial conversion to Java applet # //{{using Cafe Java IDE by Symantec # -------------------------------------------------------------------- Technical notes: dome.class passes a reference to itself to DomePanel.class so the two can talk to one another (DomePanel manipulates screen controls, and vice versa). Dome is the whole applet whereas DomePanel is the drawing panel, instantiated as DrawPanel in the dome applet. DomePanel contains all the guts of the BASIC/Perl program, rewritten as Java methods (used same procedure and variable names -- basically a cut and paste operation, followed by syntax conversion). Several methods from the original were omitted (e.g. the procedures to list chords, count how many, and sort them into ascending order), since this applet has to live in an essentially read-only environment (Java security forbids outputting files, for the most part). But that's OK, since we can draw the results immediately to the screen. */ import java.awt.*; import java.applet.*; public class dome extends Applet { DomePanel DrawPanel; //{{DECLARE_CONTROLS CheckboxGroup group1; Checkbox check1; Checkbox check2; Scrollbar scrollbar1; Button button1; Label label1; Label label2; Label label3; Label lbl; Label label4; Label label5; //}} // stub to support stand-alone version (unused by applet) public static void main(String args[]){ Frame f = new Frame("My Window"); dome myapp = new dome(); myapp.init(); myapp.start(); f.add("Center",myapp); f.resize(450,450); f.show(); } public void init() { super.init(); //lots of nit-picky positioning of screen controls, automated by Symantec Cafe //(I used a visual form designer tool) //{{INIT_CONTROLS setLayout(null); addNotify(); resize(insets().left + insets().right + 343, insets().top + insets().bottom + 311); DrawPanel=new DomePanel(this); DrawPanel.setLayout(null); add(DrawPanel); DrawPanel.reshape(insets().left + 7,insets().top + 8,263,225); group1= new CheckboxGroup(); check1=new Checkbox("1/20",group1, true); add(check1); check1.reshape(insets().left + 280,insets().top + 64,53,17); check2=new Checkbox("5/8",group1, false); add(check2); check2.reshape(insets().left + 280,insets().top + 86,49,21); scrollbar1= new Scrollbar(Scrollbar.VERTICAL, 1,1,1,11); add(scrollbar1); scrollbar1.reshape(insets().left + 291,insets().top + 137,13,94); button1=new Button("Manual"); add(button1); button1.reshape(insets().left + 277,insets().top + 17,56,30); label1=new Label("Frequency"); label1.setFont(new Font("TimesRoman",Font.PLAIN,12)); add(label1); label1.reshape(insets().left + 268,insets().top + 114,65,15); label2=new Label("Synergetics on the Web"); label2.setFont(new Font("TimesRoman",Font.ITALIC,14)); add(label2); label2.reshape(insets().left + 14,insets().top + 238,189,21); label3=new Label("Java by K. Urner based on a program by Joseph Clinton"); label3.setFont(new Font("Dialog",Font.PLAIN,8)); add(label3); label3.reshape(insets().left + 14,insets().top + 261,301,15); lbl=new Label("1"); lbl.setFont(new Font("Dialog",Font.BOLD,12)); add(lbl); lbl.reshape(insets().left + 310,insets().top + 182,25,15); label4=new Label("converted from Perl version by David Boldt "); label4.setFont(new Font("Dialog",Font.PLAIN,8)); add(label4); label4.reshape(insets().left + 14,insets().top + 274,301,15); label5=new Label("Ver 1.0"); label5.setFont(new Font("Dialog",Font.ITALIC,10)); add(label5); label5.reshape(insets().left + 278,insets().top + 238,55,19); //}} } public void start() { DrawPanel.start(); } public void stop() { DrawPanel.stop(); } public boolean handleEvent(Event event) { if ((event.target instanceof Scrollbar)) { if (button1.getLabel() == "Cycle") { int v = ((Scrollbar)event.target).getValue(); lbl.setText(String.valueOf(DrawPanel.nu)); DrawPanel.nu = v ; DrawPanel.repaint(); } } else if (event.id == Event.ACTION_EVENT && event.target == check2) { clickeddome(); return true; } else if (event.id == Event.ACTION_EVENT && event.target == check1) { clickedtri(); return true; } else if (event.id == Event.ACTION_EVENT && event.target == button1) { clickedButton1(); return true; } return super.handleEvent(event); } public void clickedButton1() { // to do: put event handler code here. if (button1.getLabel()=="Manual"){ button1.setLabel("Cycle"); DrawPanel.stop(); } else { button1.setLabel("Manual"); DrawPanel.start(); } } public void clickedtri() { // to do: put event handler code here. DrawPanel.draft=true; DrawPanel.repaint(); } public void clickeddome() { // to do: put event handler code here. DrawPanel.draft=false; DrawPanel.repaint(); } } class DomePanel extends Panel implements Runnable{ Thread runner; Image offscreenImg; Graphics offscreenG; Dimension offscreensize; dome thisobj; Color backcolor = Color.white ; double tau = (1.0 + Math.sqrt(5)) / 2.0; double pi = Math.PI; double ra = pi/180.0; double ro = 0.0; double de = 180.0/pi; int sf_vp = 200; int x_vp = 320; int y_vp = 375; int nu = 1; int maxfreq = 10; double x[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double y[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double z[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double x1[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double y1[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double z1[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double x2[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double y2[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; double z2[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; boolean draft = true; DomePanel (dome callingclass) { this.thisobj = callingclass ; } public void start () { if (runner == null) { runner = new Thread(this) ; runner.start(); } repaint(); } public void stop () { if (runner != null) { runner.stop() ; runner = null ; } } public void update (Graphics g) { Dimension d = size(); if ((offscreenImg == null) || (d.width != offscreensize.width) || (d.height != offscreensize.height)) { offscreenImg = createImage(d.width, d.height); offscreensize = d; offscreenG = offscreenImg.getGraphics(); } offscreenG.setColor(backcolor) ; offscreenG.fillRect(0,0, d.width, d.height); paint(offscreenG) ; g.drawImage(offscreenImg,0,0,this) ; } public void run () { while (runner != null) { for (int k = 1; k < maxfreq; k++) { this.nu = k ; repaint() ; try { Thread.sleep(400); } catch (InterruptedException e) { } } for (int k = maxfreq; k > 1; k--) { this.nu = k ; repaint() ; try { Thread.sleep(400); } catch (InterruptedException e) { } } } } public void paint (Graphics g) { // setchords(); setverts(); thisobj.scrollbar1.setValue(nu) ; thisobj.lbl.setText(String.valueOf(nu)); if(draft){ draft(g); } else { showdome(g); } } public void setverts() { // -- pre-allocate array space int i; int j; int index; double theta; double phi; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x[index] = j; z[index] = nu - i; y[index] = nu - x[index] - z[index]; z[index] = nu / 2.0 + z[index] / tau; y[index] = y[index] + x[index] * Math.cos(72.0 * ra); x[index] = x[index] * Math.sin(72.0 * ra); if ( y[index] == 0 ) { phi = 0; } else { phi = Math.atan2( x[index], y[index]); } if ( z[index] == 0 ) { theta = 0; } else { theta = Math.atan2(Math.sqrt( x[index]*x[index] + y[index]*y[index]), z[index] ); } x[index] = Math.cos(phi) * Math.sin(theta); y[index] = Math.sin(phi) * Math.sin(theta); z[index] = Math.cos(theta); } } } public int index2D(int i, int j) { return (nu+1) * i + j; } public void plot(Graphics g, Color color) { int index, index2, a, b, i, j; double x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop ; double cf, tempx, tempy, tempz; sf_vp = 200; x_vp = 320; y_vp = 375; // -- plot lattitude struts for (i = 1; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 1; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); index2 = index2D(i,j-1); if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); } } } a = 1; for (j = 0; j <= nu-1; j++) { for (i = a; i <= nu; i++) { index = index2D(i,j); index2 = index2D(i-1,j); if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); } } a++; } a = 1; b = 0; for (j = b; j <= nu-1; j++) { for (i = a; i <= nu; i++) { b++; index = index2D(i,b); index2 = index2D(i-1,b-1); if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); } } b = 0; a++; } } // -----------------------------------< function t1 public void t1(Graphics g, Color color) { int i,j,index ; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x1[index] = x[index]; y1[index] = y[index]; z1[index] = z[index]; } } plot(g, color); } // -----------------------------------< function t2 public void t2 (Graphics g, Color color) { int i,j,index ; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x1[index] = x[index]*Math.cos(ro) - y[index]*Math.sin(ro); y1[index] = x[index]*Math.sin(ro) + y[index]*Math.cos(ro); z1[index] = z[index]; } } plot(g, color); } // -----------------------------------< function t3 public void t3 (Graphics g, Color color) { int i,j,index; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x2[index] = x1[index]; y2[index] = y1[index]; z2[index] = z1[index]; } } plot(g, color); } // -----------------------------------< function e1 public void e1 (Graphics g, Color color) { int i,j,index; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x1[index] = -x2[index]*Math.cos(ro) - z2[index]*Math.sin(ro); y1[index] = y2[index]; z1[index] = -x2[index]*Math.sin(ro) + z2[index]*Math.cos(ro); } } plot(g, color); } // -----------------------------------< function e2 public void e2 (Graphics g, Color color) { int i,j,index; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x1[index] = -x[index]; y1[index] = y[index]; z1[index] = -z[index]; } } plot(g, color); } // -----------------------------------< function e3 public void e3() { int i,j,index; for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); x[index] = x1[index]; y[index] = y1[index]; z[index] = z1[index]; } } } // -----------------------------------< function draft // draw super-triangle with chords labeled public void draft(Graphics g) { int index, index2, a, b, i, j; double x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop ; double cf, tempx, tempy, tempz; Color color = Color.black; ro = 3.2 * 72.0 * ra; sf_vp = 400; y_vp = 550; t2(g, Color.black); // -- plot lattitude struts for (i = 1; i <= nu; i++) { for (j = 1; j <= i; j++) { index = index2D(i,j); index2 = index2D(i,j-1); if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); tempx = (x1[index2D(i,j) ] - x1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); tempy = (y1[index2D(i,j) ] - y1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); tempz = (z1[index2D(i,j) ] - z1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); cf = Math.sqrt(tempx*tempx + tempy*tempy + tempz*tempz); } } } // -- plot left edge struts a = 1; for (j = 0; j <= nu-1; j++) { for (i = a; i <= nu; i++) { index = index2D(i,j); index2 = index2D(i-1,j); if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); tempx = (x1[index2D(i,j) ] - x1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); tempy = (y1[index2D(i,j) ] - y1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); tempz = (z1[index2D(i,j) ] - z1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); cf = Math.sqrt(tempx*tempx + tempy*tempy + tempz*tempz); } } a++; } // -- plot right edge struts a = 1; b = 0; for (j = b; j <= nu-1; j++) { for (i = a; i <= nu; i++) { b++; index = index2D(i,b); index2 = index2D(i-1,b-1); if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); tempx = (x1[index2D(i,j) ] - x1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); tempy = (y1[index2D(i,j) ] - y1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); tempz = (z1[index2D(i,j) ] - z1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); cf = Math.sqrt(tempx*tempx + tempy*tempy + tempz*tempz); } } b = 0; a++; } } public void showdome(Graphics g){ int t; t1(g, Color.black); ro = 72.0 * ra; for (t = 1; t <= 4; t++) { ro = t * 72.0 * ra; t2(g, Color.black); if (t == 2 ) { t3(g, Color.black); } } // -- draw the second layer of the icosahedron (10 super-panels) ro = 52.622627 + 37.377373; e1(g, Color.blue); e3(); for (t = 1; t <= 4; t++) { ro = t * 72.0 * ra; t2(g, Color.blue); if (t == 2 ) { t3(g, Color.blue); } } e2(g, Color.green); e3(); for (t = 1; t <= 4; t++) { ro = t * 72.0 * ra; t2(g, Color.green); if (t == 2 ) { t3(g, Color.green); } } } public void mkline(Graphics g, Color color, double x_start, double y_start, double x_stop, double y_stop) { int x1,y1,x2,y2; if (draft) { x1 = (int)(x_start -180); y1 = (int)(y_start - 175); x2 = (int)(x_stop -180); y2 = (int)(y_stop - 175); } else { x1 = (int)(x_start/2 -30); y1 = (int)(y_start/2 - 75); x2 = (int)(x_stop/2 -30); y2 = (int)(y_stop/2 - 75); } g.setColor(color); g.drawLine(x1,y1,x2,y2); } } ------------------- Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 01:12:36 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Java conversion of Perl conversion of BASIC program Comments: To: synergetics-l@teleport.com Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com, boldt@IDSONLINE.COM, joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com Hello dear readers. Late night in Portland Town... Apologies to all for sending my Java program twice! I thought I'd lost the first outgoing, but Eudora (my email program) was hiding it in some invisible out box. The source code is exactly the same in both, so trash either one. If you get a chance to view the applet, let me know if it draws weirdly in 'cycle mode'. At 10 frequency, I get the feeling I'm pushing the browser hard, and until I slowed it down (longer sleep cycles between screen refreshes), Netscape was drawing very strange patterns in place of the high frequency dome (5/8th sphere -- vs. 1/20th sphere, which draws fine) (in my local appletviewer, I could cycle much faster -- maybe something to do with Netscape classes, or the fact that the browser is competing for processor cycles?). 10-frequency doesn't look so hot anyway, since the triangles are really small and the integer-addressed pixels give us a severe case of the jaggies. But I liked going up to 10 frequency anyway. Could be that on other processors/platforms, some of the visual problems I encountered are still present. I don't completely understand how Joseph Clinton's algorithm works. I was pleasantly surprised how easy it was to run the Perl version and get Postscript output. I was just as surprised to see Java drawing the 'right stuff'. Seems to be a pretty compact algorithm. Rick "Dome Meister" Bono, are you tracking? How does this algorithm compare with DOME's? Looks like Java is up to some pretty quick calcs, huh? But without the ability to output files, your DOME remains king. My other applet to date is at http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/volumes.html The most awesome Synergetics-related applet I know of to date is of course Gerald de Jong's Struck (see http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/gdj_gall.html for a view, and more links). Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:29:13 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ARTICLES RE BF 1970-79 ARTICLES RELEVANT TO FULLER'S WORK 1970-79 Compiled by Joe S. Moore 1970 02-01 INVESTIGAT SUB FUEL TO CONTROL POLUTION , ,FITCH,NAT AIR POLLUT CONT 02-01 TO EXTEND HUMANITIES , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 02-15 UNREQUIRED READING EAST AND WEST , ,COLLIER ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-17 EXPO SITE JAPAN:CROWDS,TRAFFIC JAMS,PRIDE, ,SHABECOFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-02 UNKNOWN , ,YOUNGBLOOD,WHOLE EARTH CAT 03-13 FULLER IS DESIGNING THEATER AT OXFORD , ,WEINRAUB ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-03 EARTH NOVA , 7,STAFF ,L A FREE PRESS 04-10 THE ECOLOGICAL REVOLUTION ,11,YOUNGBLOOD,L A FREE PRESS 04-22 CZECH TRADITION LOVES EXPO CROWD , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 05-01 KENNETH SNELSON: DWAN GALLERY , 74,MARANDEL ,ART INTERNAT'L 05-01 UTOPIA OR OBLIVION:PROSPECTS FOR HUMANITY, ,AIGNER ,EARTH TIMES 05-01 WORLD GAME: SCENARIO FOR WORLD REVOLUTION,15,YOUNGBLOOD,L A FREE PRESS 05-01 A BUCKMINSTER FULLER SURVIVAL KIT , ,Q STAFF ,QUEEN 05-01 INF PERIOD MIN SURF W/O SELFINTERSECT,PT2, ,SCHOEN ,NASA TECH NOTES 05-02 INSIDE BUCKMINSTER FULLER'S UNIVERSE , ,TAYLOR ,SATURDAY REVIEW 05-08 WORLD GAME ,19,YOUNGBLOOD,L A FREE PRESS 05-15 ESCAPE VELOCITY ,21,YOUNGBLOOD,L A FREE PRESS 05-21 ADDRES M.PRICE(IL)WORLD RESOURCE SIM CENT, ,PRICE ,U S CONGRESS REC 05-29 WORLD GAME ,25,YOUNGBLOOD,L A FREE PRESS 06-01 THE WORLD GAME: UTOPIA ON EARTH , 35,AIGNER ,EARTH TIMES 06-05 BUCKY IN THE UNIVERSE ,27,YOUNGBLOOD,L A FREE PRESS 06-17 WORLD GAME: R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER , 33,GILES,VIRGINIA BECH FR PRS 06-19 SOULS IN PROGRESS ,31,YOUNGBLOOD,L A FREE PRESS 06-21 WORLD GAME , 18,AIGNER ,S F CHRONICLE 08-19 ADVANCED STRUCTURAL GEOMETRY , ,CLINTON ,N A S A 08-22 DOME DESIGNER INVENTS TUBULAR BOAT , ,JONES ,NEW YORK TIMES 10-29 THERE ARE DOODLES AND DOODLES , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-10 RBF RECOMMEND'FUTURE SHOCK'BOOK A TOFFLER, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-26 AMERICAN IMAGE AND REALITY , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 THE PLANETARY PERSPECTIVE OF JOHN MCHALE ,202,FU STAFF ,FUTURIST 1971 01-01 PLANET EARTH: B FULLER'S HOMETOWN , ,MARKS,BRITANNICA YRBK SCI 01-20 HUFFS & PUFFS TO BLOW HOUSE UP , 33,CARROLL ,SAN JOSE NEWS 01-26 THE VIEW FROM THE YEAR 2000 , ,FARRELL ,LIFE 02-03 A USE FOR RECYCLED MATTER , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 02-21 EDWARD HIGHBEE'S'A QUESTION OF PRIORITIES, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 02-23 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: UTOPIAN DESIGN , 1,KAHN ,COLGATE MAROON 03-07 DROP OUT'S HOW TO-THE WHOLE EARTH CATALOG, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-30 FULLER IS A FAR-OUT GUY , ,HOFFMAN ,CHRISTIAN SCI MON 04-01 STRUKTUR UND SPANNUNG , ,GLOZER ,CATALOG KUNSTVEREIN 04-01 STUDY DECOMPOS METHANOL LOW EMISSION FUEL; 70,PEFLEY,NATL AIR POLLUT CONT 04-14 A REPLY TO FULLER , ,MUSKIE ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-01 THE PLOWBOY INTERVIEW (WITH RBF) , 7,RICHARDS ,MOTHER EARTH NEWS 05-02 ISRAELIS WON IT,I WAS GOING TO SWIM THERE, ,SLOANE ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-18 THE THEATER: 'GODSPELL' , ,BARNES ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-03 MUSEUMS ARE URGED TO WIDEN SCOPE , ,GLUECK ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-10 RELAX-RBF SAYS IT'S GOING TO BE ALL RIGHT, ,AIGNER ,ROLLING STONE 06-13 CULTURE A MILE HIGH , ,GLUECK ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-13 ADMISSION TO'MAN & HIS WORLD'FREE THIS YR, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 07-01 DOME HOMES--A NEW ANGLE IN HOUSING , ,DEMSKE ,SCIENCE/MECHANICS 07-10 HOFSTRA DISPLAY LINK ART & THE AUTOMOBILE, ,SHIREY ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-27 THE SUMMARIES--YACHT AND OWNER , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 PERFORM,EMISSION CHARACTER USING.METHANOL, 36,PEFLEY,INTSOC ERGY CONV ENG 08-01 FAR OUT VACAT SHELTER: BLD'EM NO-COST MAT, 72, ? ,POPULAR SCIENCE 08-01 OUR NEW ARCT OUTPOST:BIG BUBLE TOP S POLE, 56,WALKER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 08-06 DES APPROACH FOR APPL SOLAR ERGY SYS DOME, ,NOREIKA ,S ILLINOIS U PRESS 08-21 DAY CARE CENT MAY BE COPIE AROUND COUNTRY, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 09-01 WHO WILL MAN SPACESHIP EARTH? , ,CUB STAFF,COLLEGE & U BUS 09-15 UNDERSTANDING WHOLE SYSTEMS , ,BRAND ,LAST WHOLE EARTH CAT 11-03 C G.ABBOT,99,SCIENTIST,SAGE,LOOK INTO FUT, 1,FARNEY ,WALL STREET JRNAL 11-17 ITS TAKEN 20 YRS BUT DOME HOME CATCHIN ON, ,REIF ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-05 HOUSES, INSIDE AND OUT , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-20 WHERE DOMES COME FROM , 74,PRENIS ,MOTHER EARTH NEWS 12-22 1971, LIFE IN THE ROUND , ,T STAFF ,TIME 1972 01-01 THE WORLD OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER , 49,BLAKE ,ARCHITECTURAL FORUM 01-16 CAN BUCKMINSTER FULLER SAVE US? , ,KENNER ,NEW YORK TIMES 01-16 LAST WORD-CAN PAOLO SOLERI SAVE US? , ,JELLINEK ,NEW YORK TIMES 01-18 NEW BOOKS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 01-29 NEW BOOKS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 01-31 A SHRILL CRY FOR USEFUL THINGS ,,LEHMAN-HAUPT,NEW YORK TIMES 02-01 PLAYBOY INTERVIEW , 59,P STAFF ,PLAYBOY 02-01 THE GREAT DOME BOOM IS ON , 67,DAY ,POPULAR SCIENCE 02-14 ADVERTISING: WORLD REVIEW ON HORIZON , ,DOUGHERTY,NEW YORK TIMES 03-12 CLUSTERING IS FOR SHARING , ,FRIEDBERG,NEW YORK TIMES 03-26 SLOPING BUILDINGS MAKE DEBUT HERE , ,HORSLEY ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-05 CHAPLIN SALUTE FILLS PHILHARMONIC HALL , ,PHILLIPS ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-01 DIALOG W/RBF ON ULTIMATE INVISIBLE HOUSE , ,HG STAFF ,HOUSE & GARDEN 05-01 THE WORLD IS FLAT! , ,SC STAFF ,SCHOLASTIC 05-14 FROM MR.DEED GOES TO TOWN TO MS ARTHUR , ,FIATLEY ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-14 EVERYONE MAY BECOME AN ARTIST , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-14 EAST ST. LOUIS: URBAN BANKRUPTCY , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-01 B FULLER'S HEXAPENT DOME YOU CAN BUILD , 80,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 06-01 METHANE GAS-OVERLOOKED ENERGY SOURCE , 98,KLEIN ,ORGANIC GARDENING 06-22 IT'S A NEW WORLD TO NORMAN COUSINS , ,CORRY ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-29 NEW INST TO PROMOTE BF'S PIONEER IDEAS , ,RENSBERGER,NEW YORK TIMES 06-30 WHAT'S ON? , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 BUILDING THE FUN DOME ,130,CAPOTOSTO,POPULAR SCIENCE 08-18 CBS FLIRTS WITH YOUTH CULTURE , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-19 PRODUCTION,DISTRIB OF H2 AS UNIV FUEL , ,GREGORY,INTSOC ERGY CON ENG 08-26 YOUTH COMPLETE BRONX CENTER , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 09-01 THE DOME EAST KIT , ,MEN STAFF,MOTHER EARTH NEWS 09-24 SOCIAL EVENTS , ,EDWARDS ,NEW YORK TIMES 10-16 GOING OUT GUIDE , ,SHEPARD ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-01 BUILDING THE FRAME-HUNG DOME (PT 2) ,120,WALKER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 11-01 BUILDING THE FRAME-HUNG DOME (PT 1) , 88,WALKER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 11-01 CAN HARNESS POLLUT-FREE ELEC FROM WIND , 70,KIDD ,POPULAR SCIENCE 11-01 COMPRESSED AIR 'STORES' ELECTRICITY , 18, ? ,POPULAR SCIENCE 11-02 'MAN OF TOMORROW' IS OURS TODAY , ,LYON ,PHILADEL INQUIRER 11-04 BUILDING GEO DOME TEST SKILL OF STUDENT , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-05 MISS EVERT HAS W. T. T. ASSEMBLE , ,FRIEDMAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-07 BOOK REVIEW OF 'BLACK MOUNTAIN' , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-10 BOOK REVIEW B FULLER TO CHILD OF EARTH , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-11 WNYC: A. M. RADIO SHOW , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 BUCKMINSTER FULLER RETROSPECTIVE ,746,BEN-ELI ,ARCHITECTURAL DES 12-04 ON THE TOWN: B FULLER--POWER OF WORDS , 50,WASSERMAN,S FRAN CHRONICLE 12-21 THE WORLD OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER , 49,GRANT ,VIDEO 1973 01-01 FREE-FOR-ASK CARTON CUT TRI MAKE PLAYDOME, 52,S STAFF ,SUNSET 01-01 ALCOHOL & WOOD GAS , 7,MARIER ,ALT SOURCES ENERGY 01-03 BRIEFS ON THE ARTS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 01-09 LEARNING LIKE CHILDREN , ,HAMMELL ,NEW YORK TIMES 01-13 GOING OUT GUIDE , ,SHEPARD ,NEW YORK TIMES 01-16 TOWARD A FULLER LIFE , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 01-21 DOME HOME: HEAT FROM SUN, ELEC FROM WIND , , ? ,ST.PAUL PIONEER PRESS 02-01 GLADLY THE DYMAXION CROSS I'D BEAR! , ,GOLDSTEIN,VILLAGE VOICE 02-01 A PORTRAIT OF THE LECTURER AS A WHOLE SYS, ,KENNER ,SATURDAY REVIEW 02-01 SPIKE GAS WITH GRAIN ALCOHOL ,38A, ? ,FARM JOURNAL 02-19 THE WHOLE UNIVERSE CATALOGUE , ,T STAFF ,TIME 02-19 HUGH KENNER DIGS BUCKY FULLER , ,LEHMAN-HAUPT,NEW YORK TIMES 02-23 SHOP TALK , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-01 B FULLER'S VISION OF CHICAGO TOMORROW , ,CH STAFF ,CHICAGO 03-01 FULLER'S EARTH, AT THE CREST OF THE WAVE , 73,OLDS ,SAT EVENING POST 03-08 FULLER 2-1/2 HOURS ON THE UNIVERSE , ,COBBS ,PATENT TRADER 03-11 THE PARTS FIT TOGETHER--BUCKY , ,MORISON ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-18 BOOK--BUCKY , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-25 MONEY SAVERS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 04-29 VARIOUS ARTICLES , ,PRENIS ,DOMELETTER 05-01 ELDER TOLD OF POWER IN MAY-DEC COALITION , ,JOHNSON ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-03 EVERYBODY SHOWS A PROFIT , ,JENKINS ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-10 ESSAYS AND CRITICISMS--BUCKY , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-14 FULLER PUTS ON A 12-CYLINDER SHOW , ,BRUCE ,VANCOUVER SUN 06-17 WITH HOP,SKIP,JUMP,PLAYGROUNDS GO MODERN , ,GRANT ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-22 REMARK BF DEDIC EP.ANDRUS GERON CENT,USC , ,STAFFORD ,U S CONGRES REC 06-26 FULLER CALL WATERGATE'END OF LINE FOR LIE, 1,EB STAFF ,EVENING BULLETIN 06-26 HIGH RISE CONSTRUCT STIR JERUSALEM DEBATE, ,SMITH ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-01 6TH GRADERS IN NASSAU FOLLOW THE GEO PATH, ,ROSETHAL ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-01 DUFFEL-BAG DOME , 82,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 07-28 GOING OUT GUIDE , ,SHEPARD ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-26 BLIMPS' VAST HOME PUT ON THE MARKET , ,HORSLEY ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-26 ISLAND HOPPING ON A MAINE BOAT , ,SCOTT ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-01 THE SYNERGETICAL WORLD OF R. B FULLER,PT1, ,SPENCER ,QUANTITY SURVEYOR 09-23 JOHN CAGE'S 'M: WRITINGS '62--'72' , ,HENAHAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-30 SENATE HEARS CHASTENED SPOOK,LIVELY GHOST, ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 10-10 URBAN PLAN SEMINAR PUT EMPHASIS HOUSING , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 10-16 'GAME' PLAN FOR LIFE IN THE FUTURE , 21, ? ,SAN JOSE NEWS 10-21 IN FLUSHING MEADOWS GLIT GONE HOPE STILL , ,PECK ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-01 THE SYNERGETICAL WORLD OF R. B FULLER,PT2, ,SPENCER ,QUANTITY SURVEYOR 11-11 WHOLE EARTH MAN , ,LANG ,CINCINNATI ENQUIRER 11-13 'SEXUAL SUICIDE: A FATE WORSE THAN DEATH', ,BROYARD ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-14 SYMPOSIUM ENVISIONS A LASTING PEACE , ,KING ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-28 GOING OUT GUIDE , ,SHEPARD ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 JEWISH GUIDE OFFER FOOD FOR THOUGHT,PALAT, ,FISKE ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-04 ENCYCLOPEDIA WILL PREDICT FUTURE , ,ROBERTSON,NEW YORK TIMES 12-28 METHANOL:VERSATILE FUEL FOR IMMEDIATE USE,1299,REED ,SCIENCE 12-29 R. B. FULLER ,264,WODEHOUSE,MCGRAWHIL ENC BIO 12-30 GOING OUT GUIDE , ,SHEPARD ,NEW YORK TIMES 1974 01-01 BUCKMINSTER FULLER: A REACTION , ,FINLEY ,NORTHWESTERN ENG 01-19 UNKNOWN (ABOUT S POLE DOME) , ,FRAZIER ,SCIENCE NEWS 01-27 MAGAZINES FEEL PAPER PINCH , ,WILNER ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-13 FOOTBALL FIELD-SIZE ICECUBE MAN-MADE PIER, ,SULLIVAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-24 B FULLER:HIS IDEAS MARK OUR SURROUNDINGS , ,HINE ,PHIL INQUIRER 02-27 DESKS CAN BE JUST WORK SPACE-OR STATEMENT, ,REIF ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-11 BICENT CELEB CHARGE COMMERCIALISM SPREAD , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-01 IT TAKE HEAP O'PLANNIN' TO MAKE DOME HOME,111,LEES ,POPULAR SCIENCE 04-01 METHANOL SOLUTION FOR THE ENERGY CRISIS , 24, ? ,CHEMISTRY 04-01 JET FLIGHT WITHOUT WINGS , 88,WAHL ,POPULAR SCIENCE 04-14 BUCKY (BOOK REVIEW) , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 05-01 PS VISIT DOME-COVERED'SCIENCE CITY'S.POLE, 74,GANNON ,POPULAR SCIENCE 05-25 BUCKY'S VISION , ,LEHMANN ,MONTREAL STAR 06-06 A LISTING OF RECENTLY PUBLISHED BOOKS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 06-20 BUCKMINSTER FULLER STUDIED IN DEPTH , ,GOLDBERGER,NEW YORK TIMES 07-01 WHY METHANOL? , 8,PEFLEY ,SANTA CLARA TODAY 07-08 MARTHA DEAN HOSTS B FULLER,NORMAN COUSINS, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 08-23 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER ,394,EAB STAFF,ENCY OF AMER BIO 09-27 THE COMFORT BEHIND THE JOY OF SEX , ,KENNER ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-03 DOME HOUSE HOVERS ABOVE LONG ISLE TREETOP, ,STARIN ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-09 BUCKY FULLER IN RETROSPECT , ,BRENNAN ,EVENING OUTLOOK 11-09 TIDAL POWER MAY NOW MAKE SENSE ,115,BW STAFF ,BUSINESS WEEK 11-10 ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIPS YES, ACADEMIC NO , ,SHEEHAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-29 INDIA'S SELF-SUFFICIENCY IN NUCLEAR POWER, ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 POWERHOUSE OF THE NORTHWEST ,820,BOYER ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 1975 01-18 NEW HOME FOR SCIENTISTS AT THE SOUTH POLE, ,FRAZIER ,SCIENCE NEWS 02-01 KENNETH SNELSON , 25,DONADIO ,ARTS MAGAZINE 02-15 HERES MAN WHO WANTS MAKE WORLD WORK RIGHT, ,LANG ,EVENING NEWS 02-15 IT'S EDUCATIONAL--IN LOTS OF WAYS , ,HAMMELL ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-22 WIND DISSIPATOR DEVISED FOR SKYSCRAPERS , ,JONES ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-23 A FOOD GROWER FOR ALL SEASONS , ,BRYANT ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-24 FLOATABLE BREAKWATER DEVISED , ,JONES ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-01 VIAGGIO IN TRENO CON BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,PATTENA ,DOMUS 03-01 NOVA SCOTIA, THE MAGNIFICENT ANCHORAGE ,334,MCCARRY ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 03-15 RADIO , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-30 BOOK ENDS , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-01 ALCOHOL POWER:CAN HELP MEET SOAR COST GAS, 68,LINDSLEY ,POPULAR SCIENCE 04-06 TM:DISCOVERING INNER ENERGY,OVERCOM STRES, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 04-11 TO LIVE IN INFINITY , ,BROYARD ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-13 RECREATION AREA PLANNED ON PIERS , ,RANZAL ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-13 LIVING , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-14 WHERE WILL THE WORLD BE IN 2025? , ,PDN STAFF,PHIL DAILY NEWS 04-18 METHANOL AS GASOLINE EXTENDER: A CRITIQUE,209,WIGG ,SCIENCE 04-21 ALMIGHTY TETRAHEDRON , ,PANATI ,NEWSWEEK 05-01 ENERGY ALTERNATIVE , 33,LEVIN ,PROGRESSIVE 05-04 THE LAST OF THE NATIONAL BOOK AWARDS , ,COLE ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-25 FESTIVAL OF US.FOLKLIFE OPENS IN CAPITAL , ,CHARLTON ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-25 HOUSE GEODESIC: OPINIONS HEATED , ,HAITCH ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-31 BEYOND SPACESHIP EARTH , ,WARD ,SATURDAY REVIEW 06-20 NOT TOO DISTANT CITIES IN GULF SEEN , ,DOMINO ,STATES-ITEM 06-29 AIN'T NATURE GRAND , ,HARDISON ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-30 CONSTANTINOS DOXIADIS,CITY PLANNR,DEAD 62, ,SAXON ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-01 CAN THE WORLD FEED ITS PEOPLE? , 2,CANBY ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 07-01 ATMOSPHERE CIRCULATORY SYS OF BIOSPHERE , ,MARGULIS,COEVOLUTION QRTRLY 07-06 BUCKY FULLER AND THE FINAL EXAM , ,KENNER ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-12 NOTE PEOPLE: CONGRESS URGED INVITE WRITER, ,KREBS ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-30 18 URBAN EXPERT ADVISE,CASTIGATE,CONSOLE , ,SHENKER ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-01 MEN WILL LIVE IN CITI AT SEA,AQUATECT'SAY, ,HERNON ,STATE TIMES 08-10 GEODESIC HAIRLINE , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-11 JACKSONS'75 FUND CLOSE WALLACES: BOTH MIL, ,APPLE ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-17 RADIO--TODAY: LEADING EVENTS , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-25 GOVERNMENT BY DEFAULT , ,WHITE ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-01 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,NOYELLE ,METROPOLIS 09-01 CLEAN SYNTHETIC FUEL THAT'S ALREADY HERE ,146,FALTERMAYER,FORTUNE 09-10 RADIO , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-15 EXXON? PUTTING ETHANOL IN GAS TANKS , 23, ? ,FORBES 10-06 REP.REUSSS DREAM UTILITIES PAY WINDMILLER, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 10-07 UNUSUAL TV STARS , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 10-13 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER, GENIUS , ,WELSH ,MONDAY 11-01 MATH GAME:MAP PROJ W/SPEC REF INSPIRE ONE,120,GARDNER ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 11-22 HER OFFICE IS A BUBBLE IN THE SKY , ,DULLEA ,NEW YORK TIMES 11-30 TV VIEW:SPRIGHT MIX BRIGHT NBCS'SAT NIGHT, ,O'CONNOR ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 CAN WE HARNESS THE WIND? ,812,HAMILTON ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 12-07 SCIENCE , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-07 COUPLE WRITES GUIDE ON UNUSUAL HOMES , ,FREEMAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 1976 01-20 EDWARD ABBEY, VOICE OF SOUTHWEST WILDS , ,LICHTENSTEIN,NEW YORK TIMES 01-29 NOTES ON PEOPLE , ,JOHNSTON ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-02 RICHARD BUCKMINSTER FULLER ,146,CB STAFF ,CURRENT BIOGRAPHY 02-21 GOING OUT GUIDE , ,THOMPSON ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-22 ARTS AND LEISURE GUIDE , ,BARRY ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-26 BUCKMINSTER FULLER... , ,BROWN ,COURIER 02-29 NO TITLE 9 (FULLER MENTIONED) , ,MORGAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-01 SOLAR ENERGY, THE ULTIMATE POWERHOUSE ,380,WILHELM ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 03-01 WALLY MINTO'S WONDER WHEEL , 79,LINDSLEY ,POPULAR SCIENCE 03-01 THE GEODESIC DRONE , ,SMITH ,VILLAGE VOICE 03-05 JARGON,SMALL PRESS,ONE POET'S WAY HELPING, ,LASK ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-14 ARCHITECTURE VIEW:REDISCOVER CHICAGO ARCH, ,HUXTABLE ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-15 TOWN OF THIRTIES FACES TODAY'S WOE , ,STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-20 RICHARD BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,DE STAFF ,DESIGN/ENVIRONMNT 04-01 BUILD A KIT GREENHOUSE ,139,STONE ,POPULAR SCIENCE 04-01 A DOME HOME YOU CAN BUILD , 32,JASLOW ,MECHANIX ILLUS 05-07 BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,MCDOWELL ,TRIANGLE 05-08 CRITICS NOTEBOOK:TALE OF CAUTION FOR ARCH, ,GOLDBERGER,NEW YORK TIMES 06-01 GEODESICULTURE , ,BACHTLE ,HORTICULTURE 06-06 DREAM HOUSES BECOME REALITY AT U. N. CONF, ,HILL ,NEW YORK TIMES 06-27 WOODS HOLE,MASSACHUSETTS-KING OF PURGATRY, ,SPAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-01 BOOKS: INTRODUCING THE UNIVERSE , ,MULLIN ,NEW SOCIETY 07-10 B. FULLER HAS NEW DOME PLAN , ,SHEPPARD ,MONTREAL STAR 07-11 WINDMILLS , ,DOBROSLAVIC,NEW YORK TIMES 07-25 DOWN WITH EVERYTHING , ,KANFER ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-08 THE NEW ALCHEMISTS , ,GREEN ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-01 GLOBALIST SOC:GROUPS GOAL PERFECT WORLD , ,BRENNAN ,EVENING OUTLOOK 09-04 POLLEN AMARANTHACEES BASSIN LAC RODOLPHE , 67,RIOLLET ,POLLEN ET SPORES 09-06 MODULAR DOME STRUCTURE ,235,SPUNT,CONCORDIA U BLDG RES 10-01 HANG GLIDING , ,WILLIAMS ,NEW YORK TIMES 10-01 3 DOMES COVER EXCITING SPORTS COMPLEX , , ? ,U S HOCKY,ARENA BIZ 10-08 THE COOPER-HEWITT'S GAMBLE , ,GOLDBERGER,NEW YORK TIMES 10-21 UNKNOWN (ABOUT 4-COLOR THEORM) ,154,APPEL ,NEW SCIENTIST 10-31 LISTING OF'JITTERBUG'CARL SOLWAY GALLERY , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-07 LISTING'JITTERBUG' AT CARL SOLWAY GALLERY, ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 11-07 AMERICAN ARTISTS REDEFINE AMERICA , ,RUSSELL ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-01 THE MOST AMAZING CAR NEVER BUILT , ,GOULD ,YANKEE 12-01 BRINGING THE UNIVERSE HOME , 1,POPPY ,GRADUATE REVIEW 12-01 RICHARD BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,WW STAFF ,WHO'S WHO 12-07 BRIEF PIECE ON BUCKY , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-13 DOME QUOTES FROM BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-20 BICENTENNIAL AWARDS , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-20 NOTES ON PEOPLE , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 12-29 RADIO LISTING , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 1977 01-08 BUILD IT YOURSELF? TRY A DOME , ,SFC STAFF,S F CHRONICLE 01-12 CUISINE IN ANTARCTICA NOT THE BEST , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 01-18 MEN AT THE POLE RUN FOR FUN , ,SULLIVAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 01-28 DOME HOME CAN SAFELY ROAM , ,GREEN, T.,NEW YORK TIMES 01-31 STANDING ROOM AT A BENEFIT FOR DANCERS , ,NEMY ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-01 FINDING CHORD FACTORS OF GEODESIC DOMES ,117,BLAISDELL,MATH TEACHER 02-06 BUCKY & TATYANA , ,WALLACH ,NEWSDAY 02-09 THE WOMAN AND THE MYTH , ,GORNICK ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-18 ART PEOPLE , ,GLUECK ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-22 PARADISE IS A EARTHLY SOUND , ,BELLISON ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-22 NOTES ON PEOPLE , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 02-26 OVER 65 AND STILL ACHIEVING , ,NYTM STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-01 THE 'VASARI' DIARY , 19,HOELTERHOFF,ARTNEWS 03-09 JOURNEY INTO INNER SPACE , ,MCBRIDE ,CHRISTIAN SCI MON 04-29 WEEKENDER GUIDE: FULLER EXPLANATION , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 05-01 ICOSAHEDRON , ,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 05-01 SNELSON & STRUCTURE , 46,PERLBERG ,ARTFORUM 05-13 BUCKY 'BORED' BY CARTER ENERGY IDEAS , ,WATTERS,KANSAS CTY MSSRI TM 05-13 ART PEOPLE: AND 'C' IS FOR CIVILIZATION , ,RUSSELL ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-15 TOWARD TOMORROW FAIR , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 05-22 ANOTHER WAY:HE'LL BUILD HOUSE FOR $5,000 , 1,BARNEY ,SF EXAMINER-CHRON 06-19 REPEAT PERFORMANCE , ,TYLER ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-01 HABITAT 1976: THE HOME OF MAN ,281,CARVER ,TOWN PLANNING REV 07-07 NUC DISARM CALL VITAL BY SPEAK PARIS CONF, ,FREUND ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-17 MINING THE WEALTH OF THE OCEAN DEEP , ,WERTENBAKER,NEW YORK TIMES 07-17 JERRY BROWN'S SPACE PROGRAM , ,LELYVELD ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-28 TIME TO LISTEN TO THE LISTENERS , ,DESTEFANO,NEW YORK TIMES 08-04 LETTER FROM HOME , ,ZINSSER ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-21 ON KNOWING WHEN TO TALK--& WHEN TO LISTEN, ,NEWMAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-28 HE'D RATHER MAKE SENSE THAN DOLLARS , ,BENNETTS ,PHIL BULLETIN 09-01 FIFTY YEARS LATER: THE FULLER UNIVERSE , 40,PERLMAN ,NEW AGE 09-18 ALCOHOL ENERGY STUDIES DRAGGING , 2F,ANDERSON ,S J MERCURY NEWS 10-01 STUDENT PROJECTS IN GEOMETRY ,567,ZUCKER ,MATHEMATICS TEACHER 10-01 UNKNOWN (ABOUT BUCKY) , 39, ? ,EVERGREEN REVIEW 10-01 BOOK OF THE CENTURY: RBF'S TETRASCROLL , 18,LADA-MOCARSKI,CRAFT HORIZON 10-01 UNKNOWN (ABOUT BUCKY) , 30, ? ,RETIREMENT LIVING 10-01 UNKNOWN (ABOUT 4-COLOR THEORM) ,108,APPEL ,SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN 10-20 SOME EXPERTS' ADVICE FOR FEARFUL FIXERS , ,BYERS ,NEW YORK TIMES 10-24 TOMORROW TO FACE READY , ,BEAN ,NEW YORK TIMES 10-31 EXPENSIVE ERRORS IN THE FERRY BUSINESS , ,TEMKO ,S F CHRONICLE 11-01 ELITE FEATURE INTERVIEW:INQUIRING FOR B F, 1,KUTCHINS ,CHICAGO ELITE 11-13 A DOME FOR YOUR FUTURE? , 25,STAFF ,SF EXAMINER/CHRON 12-01 MARSHMALLOWS, TOOTHPICKS & GEODESIC DOMES, 39,WAHL ,ARITHMETIC TEACHER 12-01 BIG MONEY FOR FUEL STUDY , 1,SCT STAFF,SANTA CLARA TODAY 12-01 GARBAGE: A FUEL FOR THE FUTURE? , 66,DANIEL ,READER'S DIGEST 12-01 SOLAR PONDS--HEAT FROM HOLE IN THE GROUND, 80,NELSON ,POPULAR SCIENCE 12-05 MINDS INSTEAD OF MUSCLE , 49,STAFF ,US.NEWS/WORLD REP 12-09 B FULLER: IF HE WERE KING,HE WOULD RESIGN, ,CORR ,PHIL INQUIRER 12-11 ...AS PLANNERS TRY TO END SUCH BLIGHT , ,HORSLEY ,NEW YORK TIMES 12-29 A SPACIOUS FRAME FOR LIVING , ,MORRIS ,NEW YORK TIMES 1978 01-01 GALLERY LISTING , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 01-01 ALCOHOL COMES BACK TO POWER YOUR CAR , 46,LUDVIGSEN,MECHANIX ILLUS 01-01 METHANOL--A MAJOR ENERGY SOURCE , 51,LUCKETT ,POPULAR SCIENCE 01-01 R.MORGAN:YOU ABLE SELL POWER TO ELEC CO , 88,ROWE ,MOTHER EARTH NEWS 01-01 WORLD'S ENERGY CAN GO QUICKLY , 1,SU STAFF ,SUN UP 01-01 WATERLESS TOILETS , 74,MORAN ,POPULAR SCIENCE 01-08 GALLERY LISTING , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 01-15 SEEYLE COMBINES POETRY/DANCE AT OPEN EYE , ,KISSELGOFF,NEW YORK TIMES 01-22 LIFE THROUGH THE MIND OF A GENIUS , ,BELLUCCI ,VISTA CALIF PRESS 01-22 SYNERGY FESTIVAL (1/22-8) , 81,NA STAFF ,NEW AGE 01-30 BUCKY FULLER IS MAN WITH IDEAS , ,TALBOT ,NY CITY NEWS WORLD 02-01 BUILD YOUR OWN BUDGET WINDCHARGER , 57,KOLBE ,MECHANIX ILLUSTRATED 02-02 LECTURE LISTING , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 02-12 LECTURE LISTING , ,NYT STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 02-16 OUT OF THE SQUARE HOUSE, INTO THE DOME , ,A P STAFF,NEW YORK TIMES 03-01 BUCKY , 38,KAHN ,FAMILY HEALTH 03-01 PAUL ISAACSON FAMILY LIVE IN HOUSE OF FUT,101,MEN STAFF,MOTHER EARTH NEWS 03-01 NEW YORK:SNELSON: TENSIONE E COMPRESSIONE, , ? ,CARTA BLANCA 03-01 HYDROGEN HOMESTEAD DEMOS FUEL OF FUTURE , 20,STEPLER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 03-01 RECURSIVE APPROACH TO CONST OF DELTAHEDRA, ,MCGOWAN,MATHEMATICS TEACHER 03-02 NEW AND USEFUL , ,SCHIRO ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-01 MAN YOUR CRYSTAL BALLS, WISE MEN , ,MCQUAID ,BOSTON GLOBE 04-01 THE WORLD OF MANY-SIDED HOUSES ,144,CASEY ,MECHANIX ILLUSTRATED 04-09 BF,B COMMONER ADDRES'TOWARD TOMORROW FAIR, ,NYT STAFF,S J MERCURY NEWS 04-14 TO MARKET,TO MARKET TO BUY A NEW YURT , ,RAISCH ,BERKELEY BARB 04-14 'GASOHOL' POTENTIAL SPURS GOVERN INTEREST, ,ANDERSON ,S J MERCURY NEWS 04-16 WORLD SLOWLY CATCHING UP WITH IDEA MAN , ,UPI STAFF,S J MERCURY NEWS 04-20 LEGAL STILLS-AUTO FUEL FROM CORN SQUEEZIN, 7B,ANDERSON ,S J MERCURY NEWS 05-01 RADIAL RACKET , ,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 05-19 FOLLOWING TRAIL OF THE FULLER INTELLECT , ,MARLIN ,CHRISTIAN SCI MON 06-01 INTERVIEW WITH R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,ELLIOTT ,NEIGHBORHOOD 06-01 COLLOQUIO CON BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,PETTENA ,MODO 08-25 WINDMILL MANUF BUSINESS CONTINUES TO SPIN,27D,UPI STAFF,S J MERCURY NEWS 10-01 DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF GEOM STRUCTURES , 2,THORSTEINN,MATH REYKJAVIKEN 10-01 GEODESIC DOMES IN THE CLASSROOM ,578,LUNG ,MATHEMATICS TEACHER 10-01 MANUFACTURING THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME, ,BM STAFF ,BUILDING MANUAL 10-01 THE WORLD OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER ,568,RANUCCI,MATHEMATICS TEACHER 10-14 IT'S NOT JUST ANOTHER DOME HOUSE , 34,BUSHEE ,SALINAS CALIFORNIAN 11-01 BF:FROM HARVARD DROPOT TO LEONARDO OF AGE, 78,LORD ,SCIENCE DIGEST 11-01 NATIONAL GALLERY'S NEW MASTERWORK ON MALL,680,BROWN ,NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC 11-05 HIS FINGERS DO THE WALKING , 2S,MORCH ,SF EXAMINER/CHRON 11-15 B FULLER SAYS MANKIND FACED W/FINAL EXAM , ,ATKINSON ,FREDERICK NEWS 11-15 NAVIGATING STARSHIP EARTH , ,COIT ,VIRGINIAN PILOT 12-01 FRANKLIN INST HAS HIGH HOPE FOR BIG BALON, ,OKRESS ,I.E.E.E. SPECTRUM 12-01 A HOPEFUL LOOK AT THE FUTURE , ,SAMMON,CLEVELAND PLIN DEALR 12-09 VIRAL ARMS & HINGES AT 2.9 ANGSTROMS ,390,SN STAFF ,SCIENCE NEWS 12-26 BUCKY FULLER'S SMALL LEGACY TO BAY AREA , ,TEMKO ,S F EXAMINER 1979 01-01 TRANSFORMATION OF A THROWAWAY , ,EARLE ,GRADUATE REVIEW 01-01 THE INCREDIBLE CRYSTAL: DIAMOND , 90, ? ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 01-14 THE MAN AT THE HELM OF SPACESHIP EARTH , ,STAFF ,LA HERALD EXAMINER 02-22 OUR LEONARDO , ,CHAPIN ,S F EXAMINER 03-01 SYNERGETIC BUILDINGS , ,MI STAFF ,MECHANIX ILLUS 03-01 GIANT SPACE STRUCTURES , 78, ? ,POPULAR SCIENCE 03-05 B FULLER: WE HAVE THE OPTION OF SURVIVING, ,DUNCAN ,SEATTLE TIMES 03-15 GASOHOL'S TIME IS NEAR , 25,UPI STAFF,SALINAS CALIF 03-23 ALCOHOL FUEL DEV BE DISCUSSED AT ASILOMAR, ,MPH STAFF,MONT PENIN HERALD 04-01 BUCKY FULLER: AN APPRECIATION , ,C STAFF ,COMMENTARY 04-01 BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,MACBRIDE ,INTERVIEW 04-01 DOME HOME:DO COST LES,MEET CODE,SAVE ERGY, 84,PETERSON ,POPULAR SCIENCE 04-09 REDISCOVERING HOME-GROWN FUEL , ,T STAFF ,TIME 04-15 BUCKY FULLER: STILL LOOKING TO THE FUTURE, ,GERMAN ,AUSTIN AM STATESMAN 04-16 MAKING THE WORLD WORK FOR EVERYONE , ,PARKS ,BALTIMORE SUN 04-20 ASSOCIATED PRESS ARTICLE ON TENSEGRITY , ,DALLAS ,VARIOUS NATL PAPERS 05-01 FINDING THE BUCKY INSIDE YOU , 3,ROGIN ,GRADUATE REVIEW 05-06 BF SYMP TRIA 1 DAY FLOAT 19MI ABOVE EARTH, ,DALLAS ,MONT PENIN HERALD 05-06 THE PLANS FOR A CITY IN SPACE ,A19,DALLAS ,SF EXAMINER CHRON 05-30 U.S. INVENTOR TAKES CHINA BY STORM , 1,WILLIAMS,S CHINA MRNNG POST 06-01 THOSE MARVELOUS, MYRIAD DIATOMS ,870,HOOVER ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 07-01 THE DOME COMES OF AGE , 49,BI STAFF ,BUILDING IDEAS 07-08 BUCKY FULLER IN OTTAWA , ,ALEXANDER,SUN POST CANADA 08-01 BUCKY FULLER E LA PREFABBRICAZIONE , ,PETTENA ,DOMUS 08-26 NEW ENERGY-EFFICIENT HOUSES'DOWN-TO-EARTH, 15,BYRNE ,SF EXAMINER/CHRON 09-01 BUCKMINSTER FULLER SPEAKS IN AKRON , 8,FT STAFF ,FUTURE TIMES 10-14 WAY TO ROUND OUT YOUR LIVING SPACE ,6TC,STAFF ,SF EXAMINER/CHRON 11-01 SPACESHIP EARTH--IS IT IN TROUBLE? , ,TEMPLE ,ENV PROTECT AGEN 11-01 DR. BUCKY FULLER , ,VARIA ,VOGUE 11-01 HET OCERKOEPELEND BREIN VON R. B FULLER , ,K STAFF ,KIJK 11-12 INVENTING A TOY FOR SPACE AGE CHILDREN , 20,ANDERSON ,S F CHRONICLE 11-19 BF TELL SUICIDE PLAN THAT OPENED HIS EYES, ,UPI STAFF,S J MERCURY NEWS 11-21 FUTURE HOME NOW REALITY FOR FULLER , ,STAF,ST.PETERSBRG EVNNG IND 12-14 FUTURISTIC DESIGNER HAS RARE TASTE , , ? ,TIMES OF INDIA 12-31 HANG ON: HERE COME THE 80'S , ,BRADEN ,CLEVELAND PRESS -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:33:46 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: SOFTWARE Comments: cc: Synergetics List But Bucky, where will all that wealth come from? >From the minds of youth, dear. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:22:49 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: Books (fwd) Michael Rader writes: > From dnaco.net!michael Thu Mar 28 15:42:05 1996 > From: Michael Rader > To: Joe Moore > Subject: Re: Books > Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:38:08 -0500 (EST) > Priority: NORMAL > X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4 Beta 6 > X-Authentication: none > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > > On Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:54:16 -0500 (EST) Michael Rader wrote: > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 96 7:29:50 PST Joe Moore > > wrote: > > > > > Michael Rader writes: > > > > Thanks, that's the place. A quick search on "geodesic" turned up "Dome > > > > Scrap Book" (which I already have) and "Geodesic Floor Plans" by > > > > Cathedralite. Now, if they have any in stock ... > > > > > > Do you think I could talk you into posting the Table of Contents of _Dome > > > Scrap Book_? Do you recommend buying it? Also, after you receive _Geodesic > > > Floor Plans_ could you post the TOC along with your recommendation for the > > > benefit of the Geodesic readers? FYI, the Geodesic list is "gatewayed" to the > > > newsgroup bit.listserv.geodesic which has an estimated 8,000 readers. Thanks. > > Joe - > > Sorry for not replying sooner. Took me awhile to get this typed in, > given my current schedule. Below is the TOC for "Dome Scrap > Book", as you requested. I will be posting this to > bit.listserv.geodesic as well. > > Your request gave me the idea of making the TOC available for all the > books that I have access to on the book list of my dome web pages, so I > tip my hat to you for the suggestion/idea. I will hopefully have these > in place soon. > > I will post the TOC for "Geodesic Floor Plans" (if I can get it, that > is) to the list (bit.listserv.geodesic) as soon as I can. > > Basically, "Dome Scrap Book" is a book of dome floor plans offered at > one time by the now defunct Geodesic Services, Inc. out of Washington > state. There are a couple of small chapters on background of domes, > energy efficiency, garages, etc. > > Is it worth buying? It's a judgement call as it really depends on what > you looking for. Yes - if you are looking for ideas for interior > possibilites for domes. No - if you are looking for construction > information to build one for yourself. I can say that my wife and I are > happy with it as the book has given us many ideas of what we do and > don't want in a dome interior design. > > > Cheers, > > Michael > --------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Rader > email: michael@dnaco.net > Growing Spaces "Growing Dome" page - > "http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/growing-spaces/" > "Geodesic Domes - Structures and Homes" page - > "http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/domes/" > "If it isn't a dome, it's not a home" > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The Dome Scrap Book > Geodesic Services,Inc. > Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company, c1981 > > > Table of Contents > > > Preface ........................................ v > > Introduction ................................... vii > Dome Energy Savings ....................... vii > Geodesic Living ........................... ix > Dome Planning, Special Considerations ..... ix > Orientation .......................... x > Foundations .......................... xi > Riser Walls .......................... xi > Lofts ................................ xi > Roof Dormers ......................... xii > Extensions ........................... xiii > Insulation ........................... xiii > Roofing .............................. xiv > Garages and Carports ................. xv > > The 30' Diameter Domes > > Plan 30-01 ................................ 1 > Plan 30-02 ................................ 5 > Plan 30-03 ................................ 9 > Plan 30-04 ................................ 13 > > The 35' Diameter Domes > > Plan 35-01 ................................. 17 > Plan 35-02 ................................ 21 > Plan 35-03 ................................ 25 > Plan 35-04 ................................ 29 > Plan 35-05 ................................ 33 > Plan 35-06 ................................ 37 > Plan 35-07 ................................ 41 > > The 39' Diameter Domes > > Plan 39-01 ................................ 45 > Plan 39-02 ................................ 49 > Plan 39-03 ................................ 53 > Plan 39-04 ................................ 57 > Plan 39-05 ................................ 61 > Plan 39-06 ................................ 65 > Plan 39-07 ................................ 69 > Plan 39-08 ................................ 73 > Plan 39-09 ................................ 77 > Plan 39-10 ................................ 81 > Plan 39-11 ................................ 85 > Plan 39-12 ................................. 89 > Plan 39-13 ................................ 93 > Plan 39-14 ................................ 97 > Plan 39-15 ................................ 101 > Plan D-39-01 (duplex) ..................... 107 > > The 45' Diameter Domes > > Plan 45-01 ................................ 111 > Plan 45-02 ................................ 115 > Plan 45-03 ................................ 119 > Plan 45-04 ................................ 123 > Plan 45-05 ................................ 127 > Plan 45-06 ................................ 131 > Plan 45-07 ................................ 135 > Plan 45-08 ................................ 139 > Plan 45-09 ................................ 143 > Plan D-45-01 (duplex) ..................... 147 > Plan O-45-01 (office) ..................... 151 > > Garage and Carport Selections .................. 154 > > Useful Charts and Formulas ..................... 157 > > Glossary of Dome Related Terms .................. 161 > > Plan Policy .................................... 165 > > Blue Print Ordering Information ................ 176 > > > > > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:44:01 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Strawbale/EPDM solar heat storage >...Better yet, make a 16' wide x 16' long x 16' tall cube with 4 of these >16 x 8 x 8' boxes, using 2 16' long x 8' tall site-built EPDM collectors on >the south face, 2 6 gpm pumps each having an 8' head capability, and 4 >internal water cavities, each about 13' long x 6' wide x 6' deep, to store >15,000 gallons of water at 130 F, ie 6 million Btu of usable solar heat for >a nearby solar house for a cloudy month. This might be nice under a 16' x 16' >walkout deck, on the west side of a house, or as a house foundation... Still thinking about how to build this, and how well it would work. Suppose the bale walls were R40, and the average temp in December were 36 F, and the average sun on a south wall were 1,000 Btu ft^2/day, augmented 50% by ground reflection. Then our 16' cube with water at temp T inside might receive about Ein = 16' x 16' x 1,000 x 1.5 = 384K Btu/day, and lose, over an average day, Eout = 6 hr (T-36) 256 ft^2/R1 from the south wall, daytime + 18 hr (T-36) 256 ft^2/R40 from the south wall, at night + 24 hr (T-36) 256 ft^2 x 4/R40 from ENW walls and roof, all day = (1536 + 115.2 + 614.4) (T-36) = 2265.6 (T-36), so if Ein = Eout, T = 36 + 384K/2265.6 = 205.5 F. This looks good, but it probably won't get that warm without a selective surface in the solar collector. On the other hand, iron oxide is a somewhat selective surface... We might start out with a straw bale box. My neighbor Ray Lehman sells rye straw bales about 16" wide x 16" deep x 3' long for $1.75 each, delivered, and rodents are not fond of rye straw, from what I hear. He also has some 4' tall and 4' wide and 8' long bales... Each of the 4 cube modules would be 16' wide x 8' deep (or 8" deeper, since the internal wall of the completed cube would only be 1 bale wide) x 8' tall, and one bale thick all round. The bottom would be about 5 bales long x 6 bales deep, ie 30 bales, the south wall would be 5 bales long x 5 bales high, another 25 bales, and the east and west walls would each be about 3 bales long x 5 bales high, 85 bales total, at a cost of about $150. Now we need an EPDM rubber liner, something like this: | 30' | EPDM comes in 20' wide rolls. --- . . . . The liner might cost 28 cents 2'. 6' . 14' . 6' . 2' per square foot, ie another $150 ..U.....L.............L.....U.. or so. It would be folded up . . . . like a Chinese takeout box 19' . . 7'. . inside the straw box, so it . . . . would have no seams. The points ..U.....L.............L.....U.. marked L here would be the . . 6'. . bottom 4 inside corners of the --- . . . . straw box. The rubber would fold over along a NW crease at points U to lay flat on the upper edge of the bale sides... The EW upper edges of the rubber would be clamped in a 2x4 sandwich along the top edge of the NW walls. The liner might want to be a vinyl swimming pool liner, not EPDM, if this is potable, eg rainwater. (BTW, this ascii sketch makes more sense if seen in a non-proportional font, eg courier on a Mac.) This sides of the box need some reinforcement to hold back the water pressure. The sideways water pressure at the bottom of the box would be about 60 pounds per square foot, diminishing to 0 psf at the top, so an 8' vertical wall stud on 4' centers would have a total load of 960 pounds, distributed towards the bottom of the stud. Using simple uniform load beam formulas, we might design the studs with L = 8' span, f = 1000 psi, max fiber stress in bending, w = 30 psf uniform load, oc = 4' on center spacing, W = w x oc x L = 960 pounds total load, M = W x L x 12/8 = 11520 in-lb bending moment, S = M/f = 11520/1000 = 11.5 in^3 section modulus, b = 1.5" beam width, and d = sqrt(6S/b) = 2.76" beam depth, so a 2 x 4 may work... Something also needs to keep the box from becoming a circle, as we look at it from above, eg some some perimeter sill plates, perhaps with a dacron rope crossing the box NS in the middle at ground level on top of the vapor barrier, connecting the plates. Now, how do we make the vertical EPDM rubber collectors? Perhaps fold a 16' long piece of 20' EPDM rubber in half, to make a U with a 16' crease at the bottom, leaving 2' of rubber sticking out on one long side, to overlap the north top edge of the bale wall. Then assemble the wall, screwing 2 horizontal 16+' long pieces of 4' wide, 26 gauge sheet metal to the insides of the studs, leaving a 3" bulge in each 4' cavity, and attach the outer top edge of the rubber to the top edge of the 16' long x 8' high stud wall, and tilt it up. Then caulk the EW vertical edges of the rubber bladder on the inside, attach a pipe to the top and bottom edges, and squeeze them together in a wood sandwich, somehow attaching the sheet metal firmly as well, so that when the wall is tilted up, and the top edges of the bladder are also sealed in a sandwich, the rubber bladder will contain an inch of water from south to north when filled, and attach a single layer of polyethylene plastic to the north sides of the 2x4s. The bottom edge of the tank might look something like this: glazing |metal epdm ^ ^ ^ g |me e g |meeeeee g-----|m----- straw | 2x4 |m 2x4 | -| |m |- =| | B O |m L T | | - |m |- | |m | ........................... ----- ----- ............................... How thick would the metal sheet have to be? A 1" strip near the bottom would have to support a side load of about 8' * .43 psi/ft x 48", or 160 pounds, over a 4' distance. If it were made of 40K psi steel, with an intentional 3" bulge in the middle, the left and right sides of the strip would each have a tension of about 24/3" x 160/2 = 640 pounds, so the metal would have to be about 640/40K = 0.016" thick, ie 1/64th of an inch thick. It would have to be carefully attached to the 2 x 4 sandwich, with lots of screws and washers... The inner horizontal layer of this tank might have a large piece of EPDM rubber covering the whole straw structure, from outside edge to outside edge in both directions, with the rubber drooping about a foot down into the tank to rest on top of the water. One might then put top support floor joists on the tank walls on 2' centers, on top of that rubber, the kind that look like this: | ~8' | --- ................................ ~1' . . --- ...................... | ~7' |, with some plywood or OSB on top of that to hold up the tank above. The second story walls would take about 55 more bales. The top tank roof might have the space around these floor joists filled with polystyrene beads. Yes there are a few more details here :-) If this box were also used for sewage treatment, it might have only a single layer of rubber covering the north side of the straw, with a small aerobic wastewaterfall leaking over the 14' north side of the tank, to trickle down the rubber, which would take a little more pump power. We could also use more details about some good way to heat the water directly with sun-warmed air, with some sort of fins under the water tank, to remove the heat from the air and conduct it to the water via some sort of thermally-conductive surface under the rubber, eg ferrocement over some chicken wire and straw, or a corrugated iron layer with a layer of concrete poured on top, so we don't have to build this EPDM solar collector. Nick When we play tennis or walk down stairs, we are actually solving whole pages of differential equations, quickly, easily, and without thinking about it, using the analogue computer which we keep in our minds. What we find difficult about mathematics is the formal, symbolic presentation of the subject by pedagogues with a taste for dogma, sadism and incomprehensible squiggles. from _Structures: Or Why Things Don't Fall Down_ by J. E. Gordon, a Da Capo Press paperback ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:19:46 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Rader Organization: The Dayton Network Access Company (DNACo) Subject: Book "Dome Scrap Book" Table of Contents Below is the TOC for "Dome Scrap Book", as requested by Joe Moore. The request gave me the idea of making the TOC available for all the books that I have access to on the book list of my dome web pages, so I tip my hat to Joe for the suggestion/idea. I will hopefully have these in place soon. Basically, "Dome Scrap Book" is a book of dome floor plans offered at one time by the now defunct Geodesic Services, Inc. out of Washington state. There are a couple of small chapters on background of domes, energy efficiency, garages, etc. Is it worth buying? It's a judgement call as it really depends on what you looking for. Yes - if you are looking for ideas for interior possibilites for domes. No - if you are looking for construction information to build one for yourself. I can say that my wife and I are happy with it as the book has given us many ideas of what we do and don't want in a dome interior design. Cheers, Michael --------------------------------------------------------- Michael Rader email: michael@dnaco.net Growing Spaces "Growing Dome" page - "http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/growing-spaces/" "Geodesic Domes - Structures and Homes" page - "http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/domes/" "If it isn't a dome, it's not a home" --------------------------------------------------------- The Dome Scrap Book Geodesic Services,Inc. Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company, c1981 Table of Contents Preface ........................................ v Introduction ................................... vii Dome Energy Savings ....................... vii Geodesic Living ........................... ix Dome Planning, Special Considerations ..... ix Orientation .......................... x Foundations .......................... xi Riser Walls .......................... xi Lofts ................................ xi Roof Dormers ......................... xii Extensions ........................... xiii Insulation ........................... xiii Roofing .............................. xiv Garages and Carports ................. xv The 30' Diameter Domes Plan 30-01 ................................ 1 Plan 30-02 ................................ 5 Plan 30-03 ................................ 9 Plan 30-04 ................................ 13 The 35' Diameter Domes Plan 35-01 ................................. 17 Plan 35-02 ................................ 21 Plan 35-03 ................................ 25 Plan 35-04 ................................ 29 Plan 35-05 ................................ 33 Plan 35-06 ................................ 37 Plan 35-07 ................................ 41 The 39' Diameter Domes Plan 39-01 ................................ 45 Plan 39-02 ................................ 49 Plan 39-03 ................................ 53 Plan 39-04 ................................ 57 Plan 39-05 ................................ 61 Plan 39-06 ................................ 65 Plan 39-07 ................................ 69 Plan 39-08 ................................ 73 Plan 39-09 ................................ 77 Plan 39-10 ................................ 81 Plan 39-11 ................................ 85 Plan 39-12 ................................. 89 Plan 39-13 ................................ 93 Plan 39-14 ................................ 97 Plan 39-15 ................................ 101 Plan D-39-01 (duplex) ..................... 107 The 45' Diameter Domes Plan 45-01 ................................ 111 Plan 45-02 ................................ 115 Plan 45-03 ................................ 119 Plan 45-04 ................................ 123 Plan 45-05 ................................ 127 Plan 45-06 ................................ 131 Plan 45-07 ................................ 135 Plan 45-08 ................................ 139 Plan 45-09 ................................ 143 Plan D-45-01 (duplex) ..................... 147 Plan O-45-01 (office) ..................... 151 Garage and Carport Selections .................. 154 Useful Charts and Formulas ..................... 157 Glossary of Dome Related Terms .................. 161 Plan Policy .................................... 165 Blue Print Ordering Information ................ 176 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:15:19 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ARTICLES RE RBF 1980-89 ARTICLES ABOUT OR RELEVANT TO THE WORK OF R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER 1980-89 Compiled by Joe S. Moore 1980 01-01 R. B FULLER: GENIUS EXTRAORDINAIRE , ,FUNG ,ASIAN ARCH/BLDER 01-01 LIGHTER THAN AIR , ,OKRESS ,CONSTRUCT SPECIFIR 02-01 B FULLER:ENTREPRENEUR EXTRAORDINAIRE , ,STAFF,COOP AM.REL EVERYWHR 02-01 UNKNOWN TITLE (ABOUT 4-COLOR THEORM) , 14,GARDINER,SCIENTIFIC AMER 02-22 HE MAKES IDEAS LIVE , ,MILLER ,CLEVELAND PLAN DEL 03-01 B FULLER: UM GENIO EM QUARTO DIMENSAO , ,M STAFF,MANCHETE 03-27 TOWN CONSIDERS ROOFING ITSELF IN , 30,AP STAF,MONT PENIN HERALD 04-05 TENTING THE WORLD , ,SN STAF,SCIENCE NEWS 04-17 FULLER AT 85:STILL FOCUSING ON FUTURE , ,REISCHEL,FT WORTH STAR TEL 05-01 SCIENCE WORLDWIDE: WEIGHTLESS WORK , ,PM STAF,POPULAR MECHANICS 05-01 HYDROGEN FOR CARGO PLANES ,120,PM STAF,POPULAR MECHANICS 05-03 WHEN FULLER TALKS, THE WORLD LISTENS , ,BRENNEMAN,WEEKEND OUTLOOK 05-12 SOLAR THERMAL AEROSTAT RESEARCH STATION , ,OKRESS ,FRANKLIN INSTITUTE 05-17 FULLER TELLS ARCH GRADS BIG TEST AHEAD , ,MASON ,BUFFALO COURIER EXP 05-25 HELP FOR HUMANITY JUDGED POSSIBLE , ,STEVENS,BUFFALO COURIER EXP 06-01 FOCUS ON FULLER , 1,STAFF ,DOME CONSUMER NEWS 06-01 TOUCH THE FUTURE IN TORONTO , 46, ? ,FUTURIST 07-01 THE FUTURE: A WALT DISNEY PRODUCTION , 24,MACFADYEN,NEXT 07-21 FUEL FROM ALCOHOL IS CATCHING ON , 2,SNYDER ,S F CHRONICLE 08-01 INTERVIEW WITH R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,LAWN ,ENERGY MANAGEMENT 09-01 GEO DOME:ENERGY-MINDED HOMEBUILDER KIT , 4,WINKLER,GEMCO COURIER 10-01 AN INTERVIEW , ,CL STAF,CENTERLINE 10-01 PROBS ABOUT SPHERICAL POLY,STRUCT RIGID , 61,TARNI ,STRUCTRL TOPOLOGY 10-05 EDUCATION:COLLEGE W/WORLD FOR A CAMPUS , ,JOHNSON,S F CHRONICLE 10-10 CABLE TELEVISION'S LAND OF OPPORTUNITY , 15,CHATENEVER,SNT CRUZ SENTNL 10-11 THE MAN BEHIND THE DOME , ,MCLAREN,MORNING JOURNAL 10-23 BUCKY: THINKING MAKES LIFE FULLER , ,KAVESH ,SENTINEL-STAR 11-17 BUILDING SPORTS PALACES IN THE DESERT , ,REED ,SPORTS ILLUSTRA 1981 01-01 FULLER FLY'S EYE DOME , 1,STAFF ,DOME CONSUMER NEWS 01-07 PROGRESS REPORT ON SPACESHIP EARTH , ,STAFF ,FOCUS 01-10 AN ENCOUNTER WITH R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,NOYES ,PROGRESS 01-13 FULLER SHOWS HOW TO DO MORE WITH LESS , ,BAILEY ,ENGINEERING TODAY 02-01 INTRODUCTION TO 'CRITICAL PATH' , , ? ,NEW AGE 02-01 MESSAGE OF HOPE TO CHILDREN OF WORLD , , ? ,NEW AGE 02-01 FULLER'S FOLLIES , ,KENNER ,SATURDAY REVIEW 02-01 K SNELSON:STRADDL ABYSS BET ART,SCIENCE , 68,WHELAN ,ART NEWS 02-06 TOURING SPACESHIP EARTH W/CAPTAIN BUCKY , ,BOGAN ,SPOKESMAN REVIEW 02-09 A TERRIFIC PACKAGE OF EXPERIENCE , ,BOGAN ,SPOKESMAN REVIEW 02-26 PLANETARY PLANNER:IN ORBIT W/BUCKY FULLER, ,BAKER ,LOS ANGELES TIMES 03-01 INTERVIEW WITH BUCKY FULLER , ,DALEY ,TRIANGLE 03-05 BUCKY FULLER: A NON-RENEWABLE RESOURCE , ,JENKINS,NORTHWEST PRESS 03-08 BUCKY FULLER: POET OF TECHNOLOGY , ,CRUIKSHANK,REPORTER 03-15 ANNE AND BUCKY FULLER , ,PECK ,L A TIMES HOME MAG 03-22 THE CRITICAL PATH OF BUCKY FULLER , ,LOVE ,DALLAS TIMES HERALD 03-25 INTERVIEW WITH BUCKY FULLER , ,URBANSKA,LA HERALD EXAMINER 04-01 FULLER PROGNOSIS: UTOPIA OR OBLIVION , 1,STAFF ,DOME CONSUMER NEWS 04-01 DOME FLOATS; TRACKS SUN , 1,STAFF ,DOME CONSUMER NEWS 04-10 BUCKY FULLER: COURAGE BORN OF CRISIS , ,CHRISTY,BOSTON GLOBE 04-17 BUCKY FULLER: A MAN FOR ALL REASONS , ,FEENEY ,SEATTLE TIMES 05-01 DOOMSDAY MAY BE CANCELLED , ,WILSON ,FUTURE LIFE 05-01 FACING THE GRID: PURPA 210 , 54,MORRIS ,RODALES NEW SHELTER 05-09 BUCKY AT 85 , ,OC STAF,OTTAWA CITIZEN 05-24 BUCKY FULLER:THE PLANET'S FRIENDLY GENIUS, ,MA STAF,MAROON 05-25 INTERVIEW WITH BUCKY FULLER , ,WILSON ,HIGH TIMES 06-01 CRITICAL PATH TO AN ALL-WIN WORLD , 31,HUBBARD,FUTURIST 07-01 DISH ANTENNA WOULD DEPLOY FROM A CANISTER,229,STAFF ,N A S A TEC BRIEF 07-01 FOUR-DEGREE-OF-FREEDOM PLATFORM ,211,STAFF ,N A S A TEC BRIEF 07-31 WHAT THE CHINESE LOOKED AT , ,PW STAF,PUBLISHER'S WEEKLY 08-01 FLY HIGH ON ALCOHOL , 1,POPE ,ENERGY NEWS 09-01 THE WIND POWER BOOK , 11,STAYTON,ENERGY NEWS 09-03 SPECIAL DANGEROUS COURSE FOR HUMAN TO TAKE, ,ROSS ,CASTINE PATRIOT 09-15 LA GETS NEW INFO-DOME ,190,ML STAF,MOTORLAND/CSAA 09-18 FULLER:DESIGNING GENIUS W/PLAN FOR FUTURE, ,CLEIGH,SAN DIEGO EVNIN TRB 09-20 THE GEODESIC WORLD OF BUCKY FULLER , ,LOVE ,DETROIT NEWS 09-22 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,CREAMER,HONOLULU ADVERTISER 09-24 VISIONARIE PLAN SOLVE PROB OF URBAN DECAY, ,WC STAF,WORLD CONSTRUCTION 09-27 BF DISCOURSES ABOUT ECON, ENERGY & GOD , ,YDOYAGA,DAILY TEXAN 11-01 BUCKY FULLER: SYNERGETIC SAVIOR" , ,WILSON ,SCIENCE DIGEST 11-01 WHICH TETRAHEDRA FILL SPACE?" ,227,SENECHAL,MATHEMATICS MAG 12-01 BUCKY:THE LEONARDO OF THE 20TH CENTURY , ,MCLAUGHLIN,REGISTER 1982 01-01 BUCKY FULLER ON WHERE WE'RE GOING , ,TOMMERVIK ,SOFTALK 02-01 PROJECT COLD , 26,KAZANIIAN ,SCIENCE/CHILDREN 03-01 QUEBEC'S NORTHERN DYNAMO ,406,KOHL ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 03-10 BUCKY FULLER'S DYMAXION TRANSPORT , ,RICHTER ,HARTFORD COURANT 03-13 LIFE EXPECTANCY:GREAT 20TH CENTURY LEAP ,186,AREHART-TREICHEL,SCI NEWS 03-14 CRITICAL PATH , 31,NYTBR STAF,NY TIMES BOK REV 04-13 BUCKY FULLER:EARTH FRIENDLY GENIUS AT NIC, ,CLARKE ,COEUR D'ALENE PRESS 04-14 BUCKY , ,OSBORNE ,BOSTON 04-14 WIND SWEEP SALINAS VALEY;WHY NOT USE THEM, 6,CASEY ,KING CITY RUSTLR 04-18 SYNERGETICS , 43,NYTBR STAF,NY TIMES BOK REV 07-01 FULLER PRUNES DOME MATERIAL , 1,DCND STAFF,DOME CONSMR NEWS 07-04 DOME HOME OF FUTURE DEBUTS AT WORLDS FAIR, ,MH STAFF ,MIAMI HERALD 07-12 PEOPLE , 2,SJMN STAFF,S J MERCURY NEWS 07-19 BUCKY FULLER'S GLOBAL GAME , ,THEROUX ,WASHINGTON POST 07-20 COACHING THE WORLD GAME , ,OMAN ,WASHINGTON TIMES 07-24 SPACESHIP FULLER , ,THEROUX ,INTL HERALD TRIB 07-30 IF YOUVE GOT 43 HRS,BF TELL ALL THAT KNOW,B21,INMAN ,WALL STREET JRNL 07-30 THE GLOBAL VIEW OF BUCKY FULLER , ,MCBRIDE ,BOSTON GLOBE 08-01 PUTTING A MIGHTY RIVER TO WORK ,246, ? ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 08-01 FLORIDA: A TIME FOR RECKONING ,172,ELLIS ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 08-27 BUCKMINSTER FULLER,AGELESS CONTRIBUTOR , ,HOTH ,S J MERCURY NEWS 09-01 A FULLER WORLD VIEW , ,FREILAND ,PASSAGES 10-04 DISNEY GAMBLES ON TOMORROW , , ? ,FORTUNE 11-01 THEY'RE HARVESTING NEW CASH CROP CA HILLS,122,HOPSON ,SMITHSONIAN 11-04 YUCCA: ROADSIDE SIGHTS STOP THE CARS , 40, ? ,S F CHRONICLE 11-07 NEW FIRM CUTS COST OF DOME KITS ,H29,GREEN ,LOS ANGELES TIME 11-14 BUCKY--FOLK HERO , ,COWART ,BATON ROUGE ADVOCAT 12-01 LOW-COST,HIGH-EFFICI GEO SOLAR CONCENTRAT, 15,BAGGETT ,POPULAR SCIENCE 12-08 FULLER GIVES THE WORLD MAYBE FIVE YEARS , E1,KRIER ,LOS ANGELES TIME 12-20 ENERGY SOLUTION BLOWING IN THE WIND ,10D,LARIMER ,S J MERCURY NEWS 12-29 GETTING SPACESHIP EARTH ON COURSE , 1D,KRIER ,S J MERCURY NEWS 1983 01-01 THE COMMUNICATION LINES ARE OPEN , ,BISSINGER ,COMMON GROUND 01-01 INVENTIONS:THE PATENTED WORKS OF R.B F , 60,BALDWIN ,COEVOLUTION QURT 01-01 NEW HARVEST OF ENERGY FROM WIND FARMS , 58,SCHEFTER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 01-01 MEDICINE BOW IRONWORKERS HARNESS WIND , 2,IW STAFF ,IRONWORKER 01-09 WIND FARM SLATED NEAR PALM SPRINGS , ,GREEN ,LOS ANGELES TIME 02-22 HIGH WINDS AND A MONSTER WINDMILL , 16,JUPITER ,S F CHRONICLE 02-24 REAGAN GIVES FREEDOM MEDAL TO 12 AMERS , I5,IRWIN ,LOS ANGELES TIME 02-24 REAGAN'S MAGNIFICENT DOZEN , C1,ROMANO ,WASHINGTON POST 02-25 FULLER ON INTEGRITY,OTHER FUTURISTIC IDEA, ,ROJAS ,LOS ANGELES HERALD 02-27 DOLLARS FLAPPING IN THE BREEZE" , 4D,LUTZ ,S J MERCURY NEWS 03-01 B FULLER REFLECTS ON INDUSTRY,TECHNOLOGY , 5,ESTREM ,MAN SOCIETY TECH 03-01 UN:OUR GLOBAL CAPACITY END HUNGER BY 2000, 2,SW STAFF ,SHIFT IN THE WIND 03-26 PATENT:BUCKY FULLERS HANGING STORAGE UNIT, 31,JONES ,NEW YORK TIMES 04-01 FUTURE OF FUTURISM;CREATING NEW SYNTHESIS, 52,HUBBARD ,FUTURIST 04-01 FUTURE ACCORDING TO BUCKMINSTER FULLER , 16,GERSTNER ,JOHN DEERE JOURNL 04-14 ARCH BUILD ON COSMIC ENERGY,NOT REV METER, 17,TUCKER ,GUARDIAN 04-17 GIANT'S VAST WARNING FOR MANKIND , ,CAMPBELL ,SUNDAY STANDARD 04-18 AN EARTH TRAVELER'S FARSIGHTED VISIONS , 16,KEERDOJA ,NEWSWEEK 04-29 B FULLER:I'VE SEEN THE FUTURE,IT'S THERE , A1,WOOD ,S F EXAMINER 05-01 WHAT ABOUT WIND POWER? ,298,S STAFF ,SUNSET 05-01 UNNAMED (BF INTERVIEW) , , ? ,ROCKBILL 05-04 HUNGER CONFERENCE TO BE HELD MAY 7 , 5,O STAFF ,OBSERVER 05-05 BUCKMINSTER FULLER TO SPEAK AT BENEFIT , ,STAFF ,PINE CONE/CV OUTLOOK 05-07 INVENTOR TALK PEBBLE BEACH:GLOBAL HUNGER , ,HULANICKI,MONT PENIN HERALD 05-19 BUCKY FULLER HAS A MESSAGE FOR MANKIND , ,MCMORRIS ,NEWSDAY 05-20 WINDMILL POWER PLANT STARTS DESPITE CALM , 3,MCGUIRE ,MONT PENIN HERALD 06-01 ENERGY-EFFICIENT DOME HOME , 73,HAUPERT,BETTERHOME/GARDEN 06-03 LIVINGSTON,MT,TRIES TURN WIND INTO INDUS , ,HELYER ,WALL STREET JRNL 06-23 STANDING FOR INTEGRITY ON A GLOBAL SCALE , 1,SMITH ,LOS ANGELES TIMES 06-27 INTEGRITY DAY , 27,NY STAFF ,NEW YORKER 07-01 TECHNOLOGY UPDATE , , ? ,POPULAR MECHANIC 07-02 FATHER OF GEODESIC DOME DEAD AT 87 , ,A P STAFF ,SALINAS CALIFORN 07-02 R.B FULLER DIES AT WIFES HOSPITAL BEDSIDE, ,AP STAFF ,MONT PENIN HERALD 07-02 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER DIES AT 87 ,A14,WEIL ,WASHINGTON POST 07-02 BUCKMINSTER FULLER,FUTURIST,INVENTOR,DIES, I1,SEILER ,LOS ANGELES TIME 07-03 DEATH:BFS LEGACY:IDEAS WORTHY OF LEONARDO, ,WOOD ,SF EXAMINER/CHRON 07-03 APOSTLE TECH:BF PREACH RELIG SIMPLE PRIN ,A14,GOLDBERG ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-03 R.B FULLER, FUTURIST INVENTOR, DIES AT 87,A14,KREBS ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-04 2 DAYS AFTER FULLER'S DEATH,HIS WIFE DIES, ,AP STAFF ,S F CHRONICLE 07-04 BUCKMINSTER FULLER'S WIFE, ANNE, SUCCUMBS, ,AP STAFF ,SALINAS CALIFORN 07-04 WIDOW OF FULLER DIE 36 HR AFTER HIS DEATH, B6,OAKES ,LOS ANGELES TIME 07-04 BELONGING TO UNIVERSE:FULLER,HUMANITY ENG, B1,FORGEY ,WASHINGTON POST 07-06 BUCKY FULLER, DESIGNER TO THE WORLD , E5,SCHAAF ,LOS ANGELES TIME 07-06 BUCKY'S LEGACIES TO THE FUTURE , 24,CSM STAFF,CHRISTIAN SCI MON 07-09 FULLER, 87, DIES OF HEART ATTACK , 23,STEINBERG ,SCIENCE NEWS 07-09 FULLER'S MIRACLES ,A21,MCCARTHY ,WASHINGTON POST 07-11 A MAN WHO BELIEVED IN MANKIND , 71,T STAFF ,TIME 07-11 SANTA MONICA MEMORIAL RITE SET FOR FULLER,A14,LAT STAFF ,LOS ANGELES TIME 07-15 BUCKY'S MANTLE , 29,LUBBOCK ,NEW STATESMAN 07-17 GRUNCH OF GIANTS , 16,ENGEL ,N Y TIMES BK REV 07-17 ENDPAPERS ,B11,SEIDENBAUM,LOS ANGELES TIME 07-19 DEATH OF FULLER , B4,GOULD ,LOS ANGELES TIME 07-22 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER, RIP ,860,KENNER ,NATIONAL REVIEW 08-01 R.B. FULLER: A TRIBUTE , 11,SW STAFF ,SHIFT IN THE WIND 08-01 FULLER, R(ICHARD) BUCKMINSTER (JR.) , 44,CB STAFF ,CURRENT BIOGRAPHY 08-17 DOME,SWEET DOME FOR OLYMPIC VISITOR TO LA, E1,BEYETTE ,LOS ANGELES TIME 08-18 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: 7-12-1895,7-1-1993, 68,SESSIONS ,ROLLING STONE 09-01 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER , 42,H STAFF ,HUMANIST 09-01 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER: 1895-1983 , 82,MEN STAFF,MOTHER EARTH NEWS 09-01 MEMORIES OF BUCKY: B FULLER (1895-1983) , 12,COUSINS ,SATURDAY REVIEW 09-01 SHIPS WITH WINGS TO SOAR UNDERSEA? , 33,SD STAFF ,SCIENCE DIGEST 09-11 BIG BUSINESS DISCOVERS THE ARTS-,BIG DIVS, 1F,ISENBERG ,S J MERCURY NEWS 09-23 B FULLER:A TERRIFIC BUNDLE OF EXPERIENCE , 12,MARLIN ,CHRISTIAN SCI MON 10-01 PERSONAL GLIMPSES OF BUCKY FULLER , 21,KAHN ,FUTURIST 10-17 NOW JAPAN MOVES AHEAD IN PREFABS ,162,SMITH ,FORTUNE 10-30 INVENTIONS , B8,KAPLAN ,LOS ANGELES TIME 11-06 THE MINDS EYE OF BUCKMINSTER FULLER ,B18,LEYLAND ,LOS ANGELES TIME 12-01 DYMAXION RAP , 16,MINTZ ,ROCKBILL 12-10 R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER , ,WWA STAFF ,WHO'S WHO IN AM 1984 01-01 BUCKY'S PARTING SHOT ,160,GREEN ,HOUSE & GARDEN 01-01 HOW THE FUTURE APPEARS TODAY , 18,DUDLEY ,CONSUMERS DIGEST 01-01 THE PACKING OF SPHERES , ,SLOANE ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 01-02 DEATHS , 54,MCKAY ,MACLEAN'S 03-01 SPHERICAL CIRCLE-PACKING IN NATURE , 39,TARNI ,STRUCTURAL TOPOLOGY 04-01 FUTURE REPRESENTS EXCITING CHALLENGE , 2,W STAFF ,WINDSTAR 04-01 AFTER-HOURS SCIENCE: GEE. A DOME! , 40,SANTOS ,SCIENCE TEACHER 05-01 FULLER'S EARTH:DAY WITH BUCKY & KIDS ,907,LJ STAFF ,LIBRARY JOURNAL 05-01 SINK THE NAVY! , 13,PEASE ,HIGH TECHNOLOGY 05-21 ELEC POWR:WIND FARM REAP NATUR WILD BUNTY, 1,BELCHER ,LOS ANGELES TIME 06-22 STEADY WIND WAFTS $ SAVINGS INTO CAL COMM, 10,HATTEN ,CHRISTIAN SCI MON 07-01 FULLER'S EARTH , 97,BALDWIN ,COEVOLUTION QUART 08-01 SYNERGETICS TOPOLOGY , ,KAJIKAWA ,JAPANESE SCI AM 08-19 B FULLER:AUTOBIOGRAPH MONOLOG-SCENARIO , B9,CRESPI ,L A TIMES 09-01 ...FRACTALS... ,156,SA STAFF ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 10-01 HEXPLAY , 92,MORRIS ,OMNI 10-01 GEODULE-PROPO LOW,MID INCOME GROUP HOUS , 14,AKHIL ,INSIDE OUTSIDE 10-01 POLLEN: BREATH OF LIFE AND SNEEZES ,490,NEWMAN ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 11-19 THE BASS DYNASTY , 72,GELMAN ,NEWSWEEK 12-01 FULLER'S EARTH: A DAY WITH BUCKY,THE KIDS, 58,KAHN ,FUTURIST 12-01 BEYOND SUPERMOUSE:CHANG LIFE GENE BLUPRNT,818,WEAVER ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 12-03 FOLDING THE PERFECT CORNER , 63,ANGIER ,TIME 1985 01-01 THE MAN WHO SAW THE FUTURE ,122,D'AULAIRE ,READER'S DIGEST 01-10 SHORT REPORTS , 59,SS STAFF ,SPACE STRUCTURES 02-01 SPACE FRAME FOR SPACE , 18,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 03-01 CRYSTALS AT HIGH PRESSURE ,110,HAZEN ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 04-01 ISOMATRIX: NATURE'S COORDINATE SYSTEM , ,CHU ,SYNERGETICA 04-01 VECTOR EQUILIBRIUM SYNERGY , 99,LOEB ,SPACE STRUCTURES 04-09 TILTING AT WINDMILLS (PART 2) , 1,SAHAGUN ,LOS ANGELES TIME 05-01 ABOUT BUCKMINSTER FULLER (IN JAPANESE) , 54,OJ STAFF ,OMNI JAPAN 05-01 WORLDS WITHIN THE ATOM ,634,BOSLOUGH ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 05-28 COW POLY: RURAL, YES, BUT COUNTRY CLUB NO, ,SAVAGE ,LOS ANGELES TIME 06-01 BLOWIN' IN THE WIND , 68,MOHS ,DISCOVER 06-01 COULD SUBMARINES TRANSPORT ARCTIC FUEL? , 70,TUCKER ,HIGH TECHNOLOGY 07-01 BOLT-PLATE SHELTERS FOR YOUR YARD , 88,LEES ,POPULAR SCIENCE 07-01 BUILD-ANYWHERE SYSTEM , ,LEES ,POPULAR SCIENCE 07-01 SPACE STRUCTURES IN CHINA ,155,LAN ,SPACE STRUCTURES 07-01 NEWLY DEVELOPED MERO JOINTS ,194,SS STAFF ,SPACE STRUCTURES 07-01 JAPAN: EXPO 85 ,185,SS STAFF ,SPACE STRUCTURES 07-15 WIND INDUS BUFFETED BY TAX,PRICE CHANGE , 23,SOUTHWICK ,S F CHRONICLE 07-19 PENT,ICOS ORDER IN RAPIDLY COOLED METAL ,233,NELSON ,SCIENCE 09-12 STRUCTURE OF A HUMAN COMMON COLD VIRUS ,145,ROSSMAN ,NATURE 09-12 SCIENTIST SNIFFS OUT COLD 'MAP' , ,HALE ,SALINAS CALIF 09-15 TENSEG TOWER,NY HALL SCI, FLUSHING MEADOW, ,NYT STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-23 VIRAL MAP , 71,T STAFF ,TIME 10-01 SYNERGETIC TOPO MODEL;RECIP ALLSPACE-FILL, ,KAJIKAWA ,SYNERGETICA 10-01 SPACE FRAME FOR ACAD PERF ARTS, HONG KONG,253,SS STAFF ,SPACE STRUCTURES 11-14 C 60: BUCKMINSTERFULLERENE ,162,KROTO ,NATURE 11-23 BUCKMINSTERFULLERENE ,325,SN STAFF ,SCIENCE NEWS 12-01 OCTAROLL ESCHER , 8,MATSUOKA ,OMNI JAPAN 12-01 PLANNING DISEASES AND PLANETARY DIS-EASES, 3,GABEL ,COMPREHENSIVIST 12-01 GENERALIZED PRINCIPLE:KEYS TO THE KINGDOM, 8,EDMONDSON,COMPREHENSIVIST 1986 01-20 GONE WITH THE WIND , 23,LAMAR ,TIME 02-01 WHATS KICKIN AROUND IN INTERSTELLAR SPACE, 6,D STAFF ,DISCOVER 02-01 VE TOYS DESIGNED BY TASUSHI KAJIKAWA , ,MAISUOKA ,ARTFORUM 02-01 CALCULATE A GEODESIC DOME , 97,BENDEVSKI,THEATRE CRAFT INT 03-01 STRUCTURAL STABILITY , 13,CHU ,SYNERGETICA 03-01 CONCEPTUALIZING SYNERGETICS , 2,FOWLER ,SYNERGETICA 03-01 ESSAY ON THE CONCEPT OF DIMENSION , 6,URNER ,SYNERGETICA 03-01 FUEL CELL:AFTER 20 YR DISAPPOINT,COMIN ON, 80,FREE ,POPULAR SCIENCE 04-01 SHAPES THAT ELUDED DISCOVERY , 51,CRYPTON ,SCIENCE DIGEST 04-13 HARVESTING THE WIND: ROUGH DAYS LIE AHEAD,A19,ASCHENBACH,MODESTO BEE 05-01 CHEMISTRY: USEFUL BUCKYBALLS , 12,SD STAFF ,SCIENCE DIGEST 05-06 VECTOR EQUILIBRIUM SYNERGY , 99,LOEB ,SPACE STRUCTURES 06-01 CITY OF TOMORROW: EXPLORATIONS , 28,BARRETT ,OMNI 07-06 GEO DOME FINALLY ACQUIRING RESPECTABILITY,R-8,BARNARD ,S F EXAMINER 09-01 AXIAL ROTATIONS I , ,,KAJIKAWA ,SUGAKU 10-01 MORE WITH LESS: FUTURE WORLD OF B FULLER ,168,STAFF,SCHOOL LIBRARY JOURNL 10-01 TRIANGULAR BACTERIA DISCOVERED , 32,STJ STAFF,SCI,TECH IN JAPAN 10-01 OCEAN DEVELOPMENT IN JAPAN , 15,STJ STAFF,SCI,TECH IN JAPAN 11-01 GEO REPORT: DERESONATED TENSEGRITY DOME , 1,EDMONDSON ,SYNERGETICA 11-01 OCTET TRUSS EXPANSION SYSTEM , 10,CHU ,SYNERGETICA 11-01 GEODULE:NEW HOUS IDEA INDIA SEEK US.PART, ,AKHIL,AUTO HOUS/MANUF HOME 11-01 NETWORKING BOOK:PEOPLE CONNECTIN W/PEOPLE, ,PW STAFF ,PUBLISHERS WEEKLY 11-01 NAGOYA--RAISING A NEW PROFILE , ,W STAFF ,WINDS 11-01 FACTORY-BUILT HOME:BEYOND THE TICKY-TACKY, 53,FINNERAN ,HIGH TECHNOLOGY 11-03 VIRUSES , 66,WALLIS ,TIME 12-01 FRACTAL MT,GRAFTAL PLANT,COMPUTER GRAPHIC, ,DEWDNEY ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 12-01 UNKNOWN TITLE (ABOUT SYNERGETICS) , ,KAJIKAWA ,JRNL SCI ON FORM 12-01 SYNERGETICS TOPOLOGY , ,KAJIKAWA ,JAPANESE SCI AM 12-01 3-LAYER HANGAR MEHRABAD AIRPORT, TEHERAN , 55,SS STAFF ,SPACE STRUCTURES 1987 01-01 AXIAL ROTATIONS II , ,KAJIKAWA ,SUGAKU 01-01 SKYLINES OF FABRIC , 80,STEWART ,TECHNOLOGY REVIEW 01-13 HOW TO BILD ANYTHIN YOU NEED,ATOM BY ATOM, 1E,RICHARDS ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 02-01 LINES, JUNCTIONS & THE TOPOLOGY OF SPACE , ,WIGGS ,LEONARDO 03-01 ROBERT WIGGS DEVELOP SYS TO GENERATE POLY, 5,STAFF ,U SW LOUISIANA ALUM 03-01 SYNERGETICS:FROM MICRO TO MACROSCOP ORDER, 76,PT STAFF ,PHYSICS TODAY 03-01 HOMES OF FOAM: BUILD A DOME FROM A KIT , 78,GILMORE ,POPULAR SCIENCE 03-01 THE STOCK MARKET CATCHES A BIG WAVE , 12,D STAFF ,DISCOVER 04-01 COLD FUSION , 54,FISHER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 04-01 QUASI-CRYSTAL , 12,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 04-24 CORN CROP YIELDS BIODEGRADABLE PLASTIC , ,AP STAFF ,SALINAS CALIF 05-11 SUPERCONDUCTORS! , 62,LEMONICK ,TIME 07-01 SYNERGETICS DICTIONARY , ,WER STAFF ,WHOLE EARTH REV 07-01 TENSEGRITOY , 78,BALDWIN ,WHOLE EARTH REV 07-01 SYNERGETICS , 78,WER STAFF ,WHOLE EARTH REV 07-01 ARTICLES ABOUT GEO TEXTILES & MEMBRANES , ,VARIOUS,GEOTEXTIL,MEMBRANE 07-01 SUPERCONDUCTOR FRENZY , 54,FISHER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 07-29 WILL THE FOOD REVOLUTION END WORLD HUNGER, 27,STAFF ,HERALD 08-01 SUPERCONDUCTOR RACE ACCELERATES , 6,HT STAFF ,HIGH TECHNOLOGY 09-01 THE WORLD GAME AT 20 , 20,GABEL ,FUTURIST 09-01 COLLABORATOR DISCUSS NEW DICT OF BF IDEA , 24,APPLEWHITE,FUTURIST 10-01 WORTH NOTING:SCAN TRANS ELECT MICROSCOPE , 11,HTB STAFF ,HIGH TECH BUSIN 10-07 JAPANESE LOOK FO SOME BUILD CITY IN OCEAN, 1,A.P.STAFF ,HERALD 10-26 DEVELOPER BUILD WORKING WOMAN DREAM HOUSE, 18,GILLESPIE ,HERALD 11-01 CABLE DOMES , 88,FREE ,POPULAR SCIENCE 11-01 SYNERGETIC CADD? , 8,MOORE,GENERIC SOFTWARE NEWS 11-04 IFF PUTS LID ON ODOR TO AID COMM RELATION, 81,KISSAHE ,CHEMICAL WEST 11-26 STUDY FINDS ORGANIC FARM MORE EFFECTIVE , ,WOODS ,HERALD 12-01 ALTERNATE FUELS EDGE INTO AUTO MARKETS , 31,O'MALLEY,HIGH TECH BUSINESS 12-01 ALTERNATIVE FUELS EDGE INTO AUTO MARKETS , 31,O'MALLEY ,HIGH TECHNOLOGY 12-01 GOOD NEWS FOR PLASTICS MAKERS , 10,HT STAFF ,HIGH TECHNOLOGY 12-27 ENG MAY BRING FLYING SAUCER DOWN TO EARTH, 1A,JOHNSON ,S J MERCURY NEWS 1988 01-01 FLOATING HOTEL NEAR AUSTRALIAS GREAT REEF, 86,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 01-01 PREFAB HOUSES MOVE UPSCALE , 15,WOOD ,HIGH TECHNOLOGY 01-01 FULLER EXPLANATION:SYNERGETIC GEOM OF RBF, 94,GRUNBAUM,AMERICAN SCIENTIST 01-17 MILWAUKEES 3 DOME WONDER OF MODERN DESIGN, 7B,UP STAFF ,HERALD 01-28 IBM CENTER USE BEAM TO CUT MOLECULE APART, 2A,CHUI,SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS 02-01 IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF FULLER , 52,COLE ,POPULAR MECHANICS 02-01 IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF FULLER , 52,COLE ,POPULAR MECHANICS 02-02 STOCKHOLM SCALES UP SPHERE , 36,GREEN ,ENGINEERING 03-20 BUT WAIT, THIS CAN'T BE POSSIBLE , 1B,DILLON,SAN JOSE MERCRY NEWS 04-01 ASSES MARKET POWER,COMPET IN TELE INDUS ,193,SALWYN ,FED COMMUNICAT LAW 05-01 SPACE AGE COPTERS: THE NEXT GENERATION , ,D STAFF ,DISCOVER 05-01 A MATHEMATICAL ADVENTURE-EGG OVER ALBERTA, 36,HOFFMAN ,DISCOVER 06-01 TENSEGRITY , 1,CHU ,SYNERGETICA 06-06 COOL FUEL , 62,T STAFF ,TIME 07-01 DYMAXION TRANSPORTS ,111, ? ,AUTOMOBILE 07-14 SPORT CONSTRUCT:REACH FOR HIGH-FLYIN MRKT, 36,KORMAN ,FNR 08-14 3-WHEEL WONDER:BF VISION TRANSPORT VEHICL, 15,TROISE ,THIS WORLD 08-31 SOVIETS SETTING SIGHTS ON HIGH-SPEED SUBS, 13,BLACK ,HERALD 09-01 STRUCTURAL GYMNASTICS FOR OLYMPICS ,128,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL REC 09-01 DIAMOND POWER , 58,GRAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 09-01 DRYING CLOTHES WITH MICROWAVES , 10,WOODS ,HIGH TECHNOLOGY 09-24 NEW INTERFAITH CABLE TV LAUNCHED , 19,A.P.STAFF ,HERALD 09-26 FANTASTIC FLIGHT OF FANCY , 80,CALLAHAN ,TIME 10-01 JUST WHO WAS BUCKMINSTER FULLER? , ,STAFF,AM HERITG INVENT/TECH 10-01 TOURING THE DEEP , 68,POPE ,POPULAR MECHANICS 10-24 THE SUPERCONDUCTORS'S NEW BAG OF TRICKS , 91,SMITH ,BUSINESS WEEK 10-25 MAC AID HURICANE VICTIM;ARCH DES LOW-COST, 10,MCCLATCHY ,MACWEEK 10-31 STORING OFF-PEAK ENERGY FOR WHEN NEEDED ,153,PORT ,BUSINESS WEEK 11-01 WATER WORKS , 74,GILMORE ,POPULAR SCIENCE 11-01 DOME HOMES SELL THEMSELVES , 56,D&B STAFF ,D & B REPORTS 11-01 SWITCHING SYSTEMS: THE NEXT GENERATION , 35,VALOVIC ,TELECOMMUNICATIONS 11-18 BUCKMINSTERFULLERINE: PROBING C 60 ,1017,S STAFF ,SCIENCE 11-25 SPACE, STARS, C-60, AND SOOT ,1139,KROTO ,SCIENCE 11-28 FUEL OF THE FUTURE IS MAKING A COMEBACK ,130,HOFFMANN ,BUSINESS WEEK 12-01 EARTH '88 ,916,NG STAFF ,NATL GEOGRAPHIC 12-08 DRAW UNVEILED FOR DOWNTOWN SJ.SPORT ARENA, 2B,KUTZMANN ,S J MERC NEWS 1989 01-01 THE LAST INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION , 4,DOWIE ,WEST 01-01 REPRESENTATION,DEFORM OF DEVELOP SURFACE , 13,REDONT ,COMPUTER-AIDED DES 01-09 WILL THE RESULTS BE AS HOT AS THE RUMORS?, 42,SMITH ,BUSINESS WEEK 01-11 GOODBYE CITY, HELLO COUNTRY LIFE , 14,REYNOLDS,CHRISTIAN SCI MONI 01-15 IN QUEBEC VAST REACH,PRICE OF POWER WILDERN, 5B,DESILVA ,HERALD 02-01 THE ANY-FUEL ENGINE , 73,MCCOSH ,POPULAR SCIENCE 02-01 FABRIC MEETS CABLE , 58,ROBICON ,CIVIL ENGINEERING 02-12 THE QUEEN CITY (PIC OF SPRUCE GOOSE DOME , 1T,BECK ,S J MERCURY NEWS 02-20 ON THE FARM: BARN AGAIN! , 87,REED ,TIME 03-01 QUANTUM LEAPS IN SIZE AND SPEED , 9,POPE ,HIGH TECHNOLOGY 03-05 THE 1940'S (MENTIONS BF ON PG 15) , 11,HAMMACK ,HERALD WEEKEND 03-09 EARTH DATABASE COMPILED UNDER THE DOME , 1,SAVAGE ,COMPUTERWORLD 03-12 ANATOMY OF AN ARENA , 1A,FARRAGHER ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 03-13 TRYING TO CREATE EDEN UNDER GLASS , 1A,LUCAS ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 03-13 TAMING SPACE,TIME TO MAKE TOMORROWS CHIPS, 68,PORT ,BUSINESS WEEK 03-23 SEWAGE PLANT PROJECT SMELLS SWEET , 70,LAWSEN ,ENG NEWS-RECORD 03-30 LOUVRE REOPENS WITH NEW LOOK , 1E,A.P.STAFF ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 03-30 MITTERRAND REOPEN LOUVRE GLEAMN,HIGH-TECH, 8,A.P.STAFF ,HERALD 04-01 TAMING THE WILY RHINOVIRUS , 38,RADETSKY ,DISCOVER 04-01 SEEING ATOMS ,102,FISHER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 04-01 GROWING OLD TOGETHER: FRUIT FLIES & YOU , 8,D STAFF ,DISCOVER 04-01 MAPPING FOR WORLD DEVELOPMENT , 97,VUJAKOVIC ,GEOGRAPHY 04-02 WEYGERS HOUSE , 24,NORTON ,SAN JOSE MERC NEWS 04-06 GUTER SYS PROTECTS TURK DOME;ENG DES SEAL, 66,ROSENBAUM ,ENGINEER 04-10 NEW SIZZLE FOR A CITY OF LIGHT , 14,STAFF,U.S.NEWS,WORLD REPORT 04-28 BUCKMINSTER FULLERS UNIVERSE:APPRECIATION, 68,STUTTAFORD,PUBLISHER WEEKLY 05-01 BUZZ OFF, BIGBIRD!PACK IT IN,PEE-WEE! BIG, ,P STAFF ,PEOPLE 05-01 WATER-WHEEL WAVE POWER ,125,SCOTT ,POPULAR SCIENCE 05-06 A SUCCESSOR TO GEODESIC DOME IS SEEN , 18,ANDREWS ,NEW YORK TIMES 05-11 A REAL-LIFE GEORGE JETSON? , 1C,A.P.STAFF ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 05-12 FORD REDIES CARS W/FLEXIBLE FUEL CAPABIL , 23,A.P.STAFF ,HERALD 05-15 FROM OUTER SPACE, INWARD LOOK OWN PLANET , 59,COOK ,U.S.NEWS,WORLD REPORT 06-01 BUCKY FULLER'S BIG GAME GOES ON , 18,LAMBERT ,WORLD MONITOR 06-04 GLASS-DOME LAB READI FOR TEST AS EARTHBND, 1B,BARBOUR ,HERALD 06-19 FLIER MOLLER FORMER ALIEN W/REAL FLY SACR,149,PLUMMER ,PEOPLE 06-27 JAPAN MAY TOP THE SEARS TOWER , 1A,SJMN STAFF,S JOSE MERC NEWS 07-01 BUCKMINSTERFULLERENES , 95,SD STAFF ,SCIENCE DIGEST 07-01 WOOD FOUNDATIONS GAIN SUPPORT , 23,BOOTHE ,DOME 07-01 MASTER'S PROJECT: THE NEW GEODESIC DOME , 14,BERRY ,DOME 07-01 MILE HI CHURCH RELIG SCI:UNIQUE MONO DOME, 6,LYNCH ,DOME 07-01 DOME EVOLUTION THROUGH 1986 , 4,GILLIAM ,DOME 07-01 INSULATION , 24, ? ,DOME 07-01 DOMESDAY , 25,GARVIN ,DOME 07-01 GEODESIC DOME FLOOR PLAN CONSIDERATIONS , 65,JACKSON ,DOME 07-01 A DOME IN A DOME , 29,JOHNSON ,DOME 07-01 EFFICIENCY , 29, ? ,DOME 07-01 YOUR DOME--WILL IT HAVE A TOUCH OF CLASS?, 27, ? ,DOME 07-01 GUIDE TO CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT , 65, ? ,DOME 07-01 TALK WITH JAIME SNYDER OF FULLER INST,LA , 38,KERSTIENS ,DOME 07-01 WOOD STEM WALLS , 34,STEVENS ,DOME 07-01 A GEODESIC WORLD(RE WG'S GLOBAL DATA MGR),264,MILEY ,MACUSER 07-10 GEO DOME TANK ROOF CUTS H2O CONTAMINATION, 90,BARRETT ,OIL & GAS JOURNAL 07-24 C V ARTIST,SHIPMAKER,INVENTOR WEYGERS DIE, 1,HULANICKI,MONT PENIN HERALD 08-01 THE GEODESIC ORGANIZATION , 11,SIROTA,P SEYBOLD OFF COMPUT 08-10 SPORTS CONSTRUCTION:DREAM DOME IN ST.PETE, 27,ROSENBAUM,ENGIN NEWS-RECORD 09-01 STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING:SURPASSING BUCK ,102,SA STAFF ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 09-07 THE CURSE OF THE MEDFLY , 1E,ORICCHIO ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 09-08 U. S. STUDY ENDORSES ORGANIC FARMING , 1A,OPPENHEIMER-PITTHAN,SJ MERC 09-08 STUDY SAYS ORGANIC FARM CAN BE PROFITABLE, 26,WOODS ,HERALD 09-10 FAITH DOME COVERS NEW GROUND FOR PASTOR , ,SJMN STAFF,S JOSE MERC NEWS 09-12 CHEML-FREE FARMING DOESNT MEAN WORMY MESS, 15,FERRISS ,HERALD 09-18 PARIS A LA MITTERRAND , 88,HUGHES ,TIME 10-24 GE UNVEILS PLASTIC 'FUTURE' HOUSE , 13,LOCKE ,HERALD 11-01 THE BIRTH OF THE GEODESIC DOME , 14,SIEDEN ,FUTURIST 11-01 TELECOM MEGATRENDS FOR THE 1990S , 41,VALOVIC ,TELECOMMUNICAT 11-06 HEALING AN AILING CHURCH , 75,SHELER ,US.NEWS/WORLD REP 11-10 JAPANESE DESIGN PLAN SKYSCRAPER 500 STORI, 23,A.P. STAFF,HERALD 11-10 TOKYO FIRM DRAFTS 500-STORY BUILDING , ,AP STAFF ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 11-19 GM:HEARTBEAT OF AM FOLLOWS DIFFERENT DRUM, ,SJMN STAFF,S JOSE MERC NEWS 12-01 ONCE INVISIBLE , 69,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 12-18 LOW BIRTH RATE SPEL BRIGHT FUTR 3RD WRLD, 23,WATTENBERG,US.NEWS,WRLD REP -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:38:19 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jack Lazariuk Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Subject: Re: "Geodesic Networking"? Issue HIP WADERS!! In article <199603261609.LAA08180@crucible.inmind.com>, James Fischer wrote: > Robert A. Hettinga decided to offer some comments upon my comments > upon his observations, as follows: > > I said: > > >| Funny how so many people think that the technology drives > >| the social environment. This tale is a tail wagging the dog. > >| If it were true, there would be no such thing as an "idea > >| ahead of its time". Since this is a Buckminster Fuller > >| oriented group, I don't need to point out the obvious example, > >| do I? > > > >Actually you do. > > OK, since you ask, Bucky's ideas were "ahead of their time", > and were anything but "successful in the market". The social > environment was not ready for him. It may still not be. To > regulars on this e-mail list, this is obvious. Not obvious to me. In my readings of Bucky I never felt that his ideas were ahead of their time. As a matter of fact I thought they were right on time. I think that was something that Bucky himself was very clear about when he discussed how technology does drive the social environment. He explained through the use of synergetic geometry the lags to realization. It seemed to me that you were challanging Robert A. Hettinga on viewpoints that were not the ones he held, as if you were thinking that his reference to geodestic networks was a reference to some new management theory. *stuff cut out* You make the following statements: > >| 1) "Geodesic Organization" is a polite way of saying > >| that the organization in question has no leadership, > >| or that the leadership has stopped leading. Either > >| way, it is a clear message to employees to forget > >| any dreams about being promoted into management, > >| which is no longer staffed by people who worked > >| their way up, learning the business in the process, > >| but by low-cost expendable MBAs, ink barely dry on > >| their diplomas. > > *stuff cut out* > > >| 2) In a "Geodesic Organization", the reality is that > >| one is forced to endure "structural socialism" in > >| that it does not reward success, effort, or excellence. > >| Everyone on "carpet row" at the ball-bearing company > >| makes over $250,000 a year, and works on things like > >| buying an ice-cream company or some such nonsense. > >| > >| The ball-bearing operation? It is left to its own > >| devices, since management figured out that there will > >| always be enough people who will put out the extra > >| effort to keep the operation profitable, simply > >| because they take pride in themselves and their work. *stuff cut out* > >| The use of the term "Geodesic Organization" > >| is nothing but another management fad, which is a > >| clear indicator of lack of leadership. Leaders see > >| "management fads" as distractions, and do not suffer > >| the fools who use such buzzwords gladly. Why ? I don't think that Robert was refering to any of these things. People can refer to Geodesic Organization to mean many things and for very valid reasons. Chemists can say that Carbon 60 is a Geodesic Organization. I can say that my relationships with other people is a Geodesic Organization. The Internet is a Geodesic Organization and is becoming more and more geodesic each day. Effective thinking is very geodesic. You write about the needs for leadership. Consider that in a group that has a great deal of respect for Buckminster Fuller that there will be many that share his views that he elaborated on well in "No More Secondhand God" concerning leaders. I think Bucky envisioned Geodesic Organizations being formed when he made the following statement. "Human Integrity is the uncompromising courage of self determining whether or not to take initiatives, support or cooperate with others in accord with all truth and nothing but the truth as it is conceived of by the divine mind always present in each individual." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 19:45:33 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Boldt Subject: Re: Perl/Postscript dome calculator/viewer Comments: To: Kirby Urner Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com, joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com wow. i'm impressed too! glad you found it usefull. the original was in Macintosh QBASIC. the postscript conversion was my contribution. i've used it a few times, and found it helpful. glad to share it. i offored it back to Mr. Clinton but he did not seem interested. --david boldt Kirby Urner wrote: > > TO: Joe Moore et al > RE: Perl script for doing domes, Postscript header/footer for viewing results > > Joe: > > Thanks for passing on David Boldt's Perl version of Joseph Clinton's program. > > I was able to FTP the Perl part over to my Internet Service Provider (ISP) in > downtown Portland, run it via Telnet, FTP the plot.data file back to my drive, > sandwich it between the Postscript header and footers provided, and view/print > a hardcopy of a 3-frequency sphere. Didn't take all that long. > > I'm somewhat surprised how smoothly it went. I'm no UNIX/Perl-head, so if > there'd > been anything amiss, I'd have been at a loss. A credit to David that a > know-nothing > like me could get this thing to work. > > Of course Rick Bono's DOME is an easier solution for me, but it's fun to > try alternative solutions and verify that they work. > > Now I'm wondering about a Java version... > > Kirby > > >> > >> Joe Moore wrote: > >> > > >> > Curt Flowers writes: > >> > > Anyway, my interest: I wrote a program deacades ago (on punch cards, as I > >> > > recall) to produce chord factors and am curious as to how others have > coded > >> > > the computations. > >> > > >> > Would you be willing to post your code? > >> > >> Below is a reformulation of a BASIC program by Joseph D. Clinton in perl: > >> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 19:50:53 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Boldt Subject: Re: syn-l: Re: Perl/Postscript dome calculator/viewer Comments: To: Kirby Urner Comments: cc: synergetics-l@teleport.com, joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm over the top impressed! and a great page too!!!! Kirby Urner wrote: > > At 04:10 PM 3/27/96 -0800, I wrote: > > > >TO: Joe Moore et al > >RE: Perl script for doing domes, Postscript header/footer for viewing results > > > >Joe: > > > >Thanks for passing on David Boldt's Perl version of Joseph Clinton's program. > > > > > >Now I'm wondering about a Java version... > > > >Kirby > > > > And now it's 12:31 AM 3/28/96 (about 8 hours later) and I've got a Java > conversion > of David's Perl conversion of Joseph Clinton's BASIC program. > > The applet is on display at http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/terms.html (jpg > picture > appears in place of the applet, for those without Java who want to see what it > looks like). > > Because its a web thing, it doesn't write any output files, but draws directly > to the web page. > > Here's my source code (apologies to those who'd rather not get such in their > in-box): > > /* > # ==================================================================== > # Calculate some information on different dome frequencies and display > # ==================================================================== > # > # a Java adaptation of > # a perl shell script adaptation of > # a BASIC program > # > # Written in BASIC by: Joseph D. Clinton June 1, 1991 > # Converted to perl by: David Boldt August 28, 1992 > # Converted to Java by: Kirby Urner March 27, 1996 > # > # v.01 Initial conversion to Java applet > # //{{using Cafe Java IDE by Symantec > # -------------------------------------------- > > Technical notes: dome.class passes a reference to itself to DomePanel.class > so the > two can talk to one another (DomePanel manipulates screen controls, and vice > versa). > Dome is the whole applet whereas DomePanel is the drawing panel, instantiated as > DrawPanel in the dome applet. DomePanel contains all the guts of the BASIC/Perl > program, rewritten as Java methods (used same procedure and variable names -- > basically a cut and paste operation, followed by syntax conversion). Several > methods from the original were omitted (e.g. the procedures to list chords, > count > how many, and sort them into ascending order), since this applet has to live > in an essentially read-only environment (Java security forbids outputting files, > for the most part). But that's OK, since we can draw the results immediately > to the screen. > > */ > > import java.awt.*; > import java.applet.*; > > public class dome extends Applet { > > DomePanel DrawPanel; > //{{DECLARE_CONTROLS > CheckboxGroup group1; > Checkbox check1; > Checkbox check2; > Scrollbar scrollbar1; > Button button1; > Label label1; > Label label2; > Label label3; > Label lbl; > Label label4; > Label label5; > //}} > > // stub to support stand-alone version (unused by applet) > public static void main(String args[]){ > Frame f = new Frame("My Window"); > dome myapp = new dome(); > myapp.init(); > myapp.start(); > f.add("Center",myapp); > f.resize(450,450); > f.show(); > } > > public void init() { > > super.init(); > > //lots of nit-picky positioning of screen controls, automated by > Symantec Cafe > //(I used a visual form designer tool) > //{{INIT_CONTROLS > setLayout(null); > addNotify(); > resize(insets().left + insets().right + 343, insets().top + > insets().bottom + 311); > DrawPanel=new DomePanel(this); > DrawPanel.setLayout(null); > add(DrawPanel); > DrawPanel.reshape(insets().left + 7,insets().top + 8,263,225); > group1= new CheckboxGroup(); > check1=new Checkbox("1/20",group1, true); > add(check1); > check1.reshape(insets().left + 280,insets().top + 64,53,17); > check2=new Checkbox("5/8",group1, false); > add(check2); > check2.reshape(insets().left + 280,insets().top + 86,49,21); > scrollbar1= new Scrollbar(Scrollbar.VERTICAL, 1,1,1,11); > add(scrollbar1); > scrollbar1.reshape(insets().left + 291,insets().top + 137,13,94); > button1=new Button("Manual"); > add(button1); > button1.reshape(insets().left + 277,insets().top + 17,56,30); > label1=new Label("Frequency"); > label1.setFont(new Font("TimesRoman",Font.PLAIN,12)); > add(label1); > label1.reshape(insets().left + 268,insets().top + 114,65,15); > label2=new Label("Synergetics on the Web"); > label2.setFont(new Font("TimesRoman",Font.ITALIC,14)); > add(label2); > label2.reshape(insets().left + 14,insets().top + 238,189,21); > label3=new Label("Java by K. Urner based on a program by Joseph > Clinton"); > label3.setFont(new Font("Dialog",Font.PLAIN,8)); > add(label3); > label3.reshape(insets().left + 14,insets().top + 261,301,15); > lbl=new Label("1"); > lbl.setFont(new Font("Dialog",Font.BOLD,12)); > add(lbl); > lbl.reshape(insets().left + 310,insets().top + 182,25,15); > label4=new Label("converted from Perl version by David Boldt "); > label4.setFont(new Font("Dialog",Font.PLAIN,8)); > add(label4); > label4.reshape(insets().left + 14,insets().top + 274,301,15); > label5=new Label("Ver 1.0"); > label5.setFont(new Font("Dialog",Font.ITALIC,10)); > add(label5); > label5.reshape(insets().left + 278,insets().top + 238,55,19); > //}} > > } > > public void start() { > DrawPanel.start(); > } > > public void stop() { > DrawPanel.stop(); > } > > public boolean handleEvent(Event event) { > if ((event.target instanceof Scrollbar)) { > if (button1.getLabel() == "Cycle") { > int v = ((Scrollbar)event.target).getValue(); > lbl.setText(String.valueOf(DrawPanel.nu)); > DrawPanel.nu = v ; > DrawPanel.repaint(); > } > } > else > if (event.id == Event.ACTION_EVENT && event.target == check2) { > clickeddome(); > return true; > } > else > if (event.id == Event.ACTION_EVENT && event.target == check1) { > clickedtri(); > return true; > } > else > if (event.id == Event.ACTION_EVENT && event.target == button1) { > clickedButton1(); > return true; > } > > return super.handleEvent(event); > } > > public void clickedButton1() { > // to do: put event handler code here. > if (button1.getLabel()=="Manual"){ > button1.setLabel("Cycle"); > DrawPanel.stop(); > } else { > button1.setLabel("Manual"); > DrawPanel.start(); > } > > } > public void clickedtri() { > // to do: put event handler code here. > DrawPanel.draft=true; > DrawPanel.repaint(); > } > public void clickeddome() { > // to do: put event handler code here. > DrawPanel.draft=false; > DrawPanel.repaint(); > } > } > > class DomePanel extends Panel implements Runnable{ > > Thread runner; > Image offscreenImg; > Graphics offscreenG; > Dimension offscreensize; > dome thisobj; > Color backcolor = Color.white ; > > double tau = (1.0 + Math.sqrt(5)) / 2.0; > double pi = Math.PI; > double ra = pi/180.0; > double ro = 0.0; > double de = 180.0/pi; > > int sf_vp = 200; > int x_vp = 320; > int y_vp = 375; > > int nu = 1; > int maxfreq = 10; > > double x[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; > double y[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; > double z[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; > double x1[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; > double y1[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; > double z1[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; > double x2[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; > double y2[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; > double z2[] = new double[(maxfreq+1)*(maxfreq+1)] ; > > boolean draft = true; > > DomePanel (dome callingclass) { > this.thisobj = callingclass ; > } > > public void start () { > if (runner == null) { > runner = new Thread(this) ; > runner.start(); > } > repaint(); > } > > public void stop () { > if (runner != null) { > runner.stop() ; > runner = null ; > } > } > > public void update (Graphics g) { > Dimension d = size(); > if ((offscreenImg == null) || (d.width != offscreensize.width) || > (d.height != offscreensize.height)) { > offscreenImg = createImage(d.width, d.height); > offscreensize = d; > offscreenG = offscreenImg.getGraphics(); > } > offscreenG.setColor(backcolor) ; > offscreenG.fillRect(0,0, d.width, d.height); > paint(offscreenG) ; > g.drawImage(offscreenImg,0,0,this) ; > } > > public void run () { > while (runner != null) { > for (int k = 1; k < maxfreq; k++) { > this.nu = k ; > repaint() ; > try { Thread.sleep(400); } > catch (InterruptedException e) { } > } > for (int k = maxfreq; k > 1; k--) { > this.nu = k ; > repaint() ; > try { Thread.sleep(400); } > catch (InterruptedException e) { } > } > } > } > > public void paint (Graphics g) { > // setchords(); > setverts(); > thisobj.scrollbar1.setValue(nu) ; > thisobj.lbl.setText(String.valueOf(nu)); > if(draft){ > draft(g); > } else { > showdome(g); > } > } > > public void setverts() { > // -- pre-allocate array space > > int i; > int j; > int index; > double theta; > double phi; > > for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { > for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { > index = index2D(i,j); > x[index] = j; > z[index] = nu - i; > y[index] = nu - x[index] - z[index]; > z[index] = nu / 2.0 + z[index] / tau; > y[index] = y[index] + x[index] * Math.cos(72.0 * ra); > x[index] = x[index] * Math.sin(72.0 * ra); > > if ( y[index] == 0 ) { > phi = 0; > } > else { > phi = Math.atan2( x[index], y[index]); > } > if ( z[index] == 0 ) { > theta = 0; > } > else { > theta = Math.atan2(Math.sqrt( x[index]*x[index] + > y[index]*y[index]), z[index] ); > } > x[index] = Math.cos(phi) * Math.sin(theta); > y[index] = Math.sin(phi) * Math.sin(theta); > z[index] = Math.cos(theta); > } > } > } > > public int index2D(int i, int j) { > return (nu+1) * i + j; > } > > public void plot(Graphics g, Color color) { > > int index, index2, a, b, i, j; > double x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop ; > double cf, tempx, tempy, tempz; > > sf_vp = 200; > x_vp = 320; > y_vp = 375; > > // -- plot lattitude struts > > for (i = 1; i <= nu; i++) { > for (j = 1; j <= i; j++) { > index = index2D(i,j); > index2 = index2D(i,j-1); > > if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { > x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; > y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; > x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; > y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; > mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); > } > } > } > > a = 1; > for (j = 0; j <= nu-1; j++) { > for (i = a; i <= nu; i++) { > index = index2D(i,j); > index2 = index2D(i-1,j); > > if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { > x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; > y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; > x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; > y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; > mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); > } > } > a++; > } > > a = 1; > b = 0; > for (j = b; j <= nu-1; j++) { > for (i = a; i <= nu; i++) { > b++; > index = index2D(i,b); > index2 = index2D(i-1,b-1); > > if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { > x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; > y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; > x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; > y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; > mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); > } > } > b = 0; > a++; > } > } > > // -----------------------------------< function t1 > public void t1(Graphics g, Color color) { > int i,j,index ; > for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { > for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { > index = index2D(i,j); > x1[index] = x[index]; > y1[index] = y[index]; > z1[index] = z[index]; > } > } > plot(g, color); > } > > // -----------------------------------< function t2 > public void t2 (Graphics g, Color color) { > int i,j,index ; > for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { > for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { > index = index2D(i,j); > x1[index] = x[index]*Math.cos(ro) - y[index]*Math.sin(ro); > y1[index] = x[index]*Math.sin(ro) + y[index]*Math.cos(ro); > z1[index] = z[index]; > } > } > plot(g, color); > } > > // -----------------------------------< function t3 > public void t3 (Graphics g, Color color) { > int i,j,index; > for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { > for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { > index = index2D(i,j); > > x2[index] = x1[index]; > y2[index] = y1[index]; > z2[index] = z1[index]; > } > } > plot(g, color); > } > > // -----------------------------------< function e1 > public void e1 (Graphics g, Color color) { > int i,j,index; > for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { > for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { > index = index2D(i,j); > > x1[index] = -x2[index]*Math.cos(ro) - z2[index]*Math.sin(ro); > y1[index] = y2[index]; > z1[index] = -x2[index]*Math.sin(ro) + z2[index]*Math.cos(ro); > } > } > plot(g, color); > } > > // -----------------------------------< function e2 > public void e2 (Graphics g, Color color) { > int i,j,index; > for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { > for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { > index = index2D(i,j); > x1[index] = -x[index]; > y1[index] = y[index]; > z1[index] = -z[index]; > } > } > plot(g, color); > } > > // -----------------------------------< function e3 > public void e3() { > int i,j,index; > for (i = 0; i <= nu; i++) { > for (j = 0; j <= i; j++) { > index = index2D(i,j); > x[index] = x1[index]; > y[index] = y1[index]; > z[index] = z1[index]; > } > } > } > > // -----------------------------------< function draft > // draw super-triangle with chords labeled > > public void draft(Graphics g) { > > int index, index2, a, b, i, j; > double x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop ; > double cf, tempx, tempy, tempz; > Color color = Color.black; > > ro = 3.2 * 72.0 * ra; > > sf_vp = 400; > y_vp = 550; > t2(g, Color.black); > // -- plot lattitude struts > > for (i = 1; i <= nu; i++) { > for (j = 1; j <= i; j++) { > index = index2D(i,j); > index2 = index2D(i,j-1); > if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { > x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; > y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; > x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; > y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; > mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); > tempx = (x1[index2D(i,j) ] - x1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); > tempy = (y1[index2D(i,j) ] - y1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); > tempz = (z1[index2D(i,j) ] - z1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); > cf = Math.sqrt(tempx*tempx + tempy*tempy + tempz*tempz); > > } > } > } > > // -- plot left edge struts > > a = 1; > for (j = 0; j <= nu-1; j++) { > for (i = a; i <= nu; i++) { > index = index2D(i,j); > index2 = index2D(i-1,j); > > if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { > x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; > y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; > x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; > y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; > mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); > tempx = (x1[index2D(i,j) ] - x1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); > tempy = (y1[index2D(i,j) ] - y1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); > tempz = (z1[index2D(i,j) ] - z1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); > cf = Math.sqrt(tempx*tempx + tempy*tempy + tempz*tempz); > > } > } > a++; > } > > // -- plot right edge struts > > a = 1; > b = 0; > for (j = b; j <= nu-1; j++) { > for (i = a; i <= nu; i++) { > b++; > index = index2D(i,b); > index2 = index2D(i-1,b-1); > > if ( z1[index] >= -0.1 ) { > x_start = x1[index2] * sf_vp + x_vp; > y_start = y1[index2] * sf_vp + y_vp; > x_stop = x1[index] * sf_vp + x_vp; > y_stop = y1[index] * sf_vp + y_vp; > mkline(g, color, x_start, y_start, x_stop, y_stop); > tempx = (x1[index2D(i,j) ] - x1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); > tempy = (y1[index2D(i,j) ] - y1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); > tempz = (z1[index2D(i,j) ] - z1[index2D(i,j-1) ]); > cf = Math.sqrt(tempx*tempx + tempy*tempy + tempz*tempz); > > } > } > b = 0; > a++; > } > } > > public void showdome(Graphics g){ > > int t; > > t1(g, Color.black); > > ro = 72.0 * ra; > for (t = 1; t <= 4; t++) { > ro = t * 72.0 * ra; > > t2(g, Color.black); > if (t == 2 ) { > t3(g, Color.black); > } > > } > > // -- draw the second layer of the icosahedron (10 super-panels) > > ro = 52.622627 + 37.377373; > e1(g, Color.blue); > e3(); > > for (t = 1; t <= 4; t++) { > ro = t * 72.0 * ra; > > t2(g, Color.blue); > > if (t == 2 ) { > t3(g, Color.blue); > } > } > > e2(g, Color.green); > e3(); > > for (t = 1; t <= 4; t++) { > ro = t * 72.0 * ra; > > t2(g, Color.green); > > if (t == 2 ) { > t3(g, Color.green); > } > } > > } > > public void mkline(Graphics g, Color color, double x_start, double > y_start, double x_stop, double y_stop) { > int x1,y1,x2,y2; > if (draft) { > x1 = (int)(x_start -180); > y1 = (int)(y_start - 175); > x2 = (int)(x_stop -180); > y2 = (int)(y_stop - 175); > } else { > x1 = (int)(x_start/2 -30); > y1 = (int)(y_start/2 - 75); > x2 = (int)(x_stop/2 -30); > y2 = (int)(y_stop/2 - 75); > } > g.setColor(color); > g.drawLine(x1,y1,x2,y2); > } > > } > > Kirby > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU > Email: pdx4d@teleport.com > Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ -- --david boldt ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:24:28 -0500 Reply-To: OREGDOME Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: OREGDOME Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Oregon Dome Homepage Oregon Dome's home page is up and running (sort of). It's pretty primative and the text is terrible, but give us a few weeks and it should be nice. We'll have a few interior and exterior dome photos and have some information about the domes available for download. We are planning to have the following Oregon Dome Information Series titles available almost immediately: Why Domes?, #0 Energy Advantage, #8 Disaster Fitness, #11 Two more titles are still being written and will be posted shortly. Feel free to check it out and give us a review (although I'll ignore those of you who get brutal, as it is still in its first draft). Thanks, Nathan Burke, Oregon Dome, Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:18:57 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Tracking houses A PV friend says: >I've been dreaming of suspending an array in between two trees >at about the 90' level... With ropes going east and west? That seems interesting, 3/4 up those tall trees 300' to the south of your house, with some nylon ropes running north and south to the ground from the bottom? Seems like this would usually lead to shading by other trees, if not falling branches, etc. I would like to build a treehouse, a large one for living in, even. I traded some letters with serious treehouse people years ago, one a prof in North Carolina. Suppose the PV structure had some internal volume and a floor, with a rope ladder for courageous children attached to safety ropes. We might insulate that volume and put some thermal mass inside, eg a few batteries surrounded by an air gap and insulation, to capture some of the other 90% of the sun's heat... For two axis tracking, suppose it were supported from above at three points, with a fixed rope at the top on the north side going up and north to a tree, another at the north bottom center going to the ground, and two more going up SE and SW from the EW upper south corners, said ropes being attached to two small DC reversible winches or garage door openers inside the treehouse. A rope ladder hanging from the south side deck would make this more stable. To point east, crank in the west rope and let out the east rope, and vice versa to point west. To tilt the array upwards, crank in both ropes. To tilt it down towards the south horizon, let out both ropes. Picture a 4' x 4' x 8' shed, with a reflective front porch and a 1:2 roof sloping up to the south and a reflective overhang. It might look like this: from the east from the south front \ 8' \ 12' / . ......................... . . ^ . . . . . . . ................. . . . . . . 8' . . 6' . . . . . 4'. . . . PV. 2' . . P V . . ................. ......................... 4' 4' \ l l 4' ......... l . PV . . . l . . . . . 8' l . . . . l . . ......................... l / \ from the top This would have a PV area of 8 ft^2 and a frontal area of 72 ft^2 with a concentration ratio of 9, so the peak sun power would be 6.5 kW. How would we cool it? Perhaps make the PVs the back of an thin aquarium tank, with the sun shining through a little water, and a radiator above. How big a radiator? Say the PVs collect 650 watts peak, with a solar energy input of 5.5 kWh/m^2/day in July in Seattle, ie 36.8 kWh of solar energy in, and 3.68 kWh/day of electrical energy out. The difference is 33.1 kWh/day. That is the heat we need to deliberately waste. The average temperature in Seattle in July is 18.4 C. Suppose we want to keep the average PV temp at 28.4 C. The average windspeed is 3.5 m/s, or 7.8 mph. So assuming we have enough water to store the heat for 24 hours, we have to waste 33.1 kWh of heat, about the same as the heat in a gallon of oil, in 24 hours, with a 10 C temperature rise, or 138 watts/degree C, or 261 Btu/hr/degree F. A smooth 174 ft^2 surface or rough 130 Ft^2 surface would do that with no wind, as would 44 ft^2 of rough surface exposed to the wind, or the wind from an exhaust fan to the north on a calm day. Or we might try to evaporate about 0.005 gallons (0.7 oz.) per minute of water by slowly pumping it up to the ridge peak and letting it trickle back down into the tank, or let some rainwater flow thru the tank. How much water would we need to store that heat? 33.1 kWh will heat 6720 pounds of water 10 degrees C. Perhaps we should try to get rid of most of the heat in real time, and cover the backs of the PVs with fins and such. It would be interesting if we could turn this structure around to the north, swing the PVs out of the way with a linear actuator, say, and scoop up some wind to flow through the exhaust fan at night, or on a cloudy day, to make more electrical power. With a couple of batteries inside and an inverter, we could run 110 or 240VAC wires up the north rope and back to the house. The rope ladder might not touch the ground. It might just end in a large weight, say 3' above the ground, to make a large and interesting pendulum with a period of about 5 seconds. If the rope ladder slanted up to the treehouse from the south, we might add two more ropes to the ground to the NW and NE and enclose the EW sides of the tetrahedron between the treehouse and the ground, eg with dacron sailcloth, or burlap/cement, and put a wind turbine on the ground at the south lee corner, just north of the base of the rope ladder, to make a big north-facing windscoop (and snowscoop--we might make the EW sides transparent, or enclose the north side too, and make another house, barn, or solar closet and sunspace underneath, parking a car or a tractor under the PV shed, or storing some hay or animals... A PV shed on top of a flat roof in a city might be suspended from the point of a tetrahedral frame made with 6 poles, with some sandbags at the corners. Suspending a real solar house from a 3-cornered manmade arch this way would be interesting. It wouldn't have to be very high off the ground to let the house track the sun, altho a 3-cornered St Louis-type arch would be nice :-), and that might also serve as the house foundation... Electric and water might enter the house with flexible lines from the top, with the house rotating no more than 360 degrees, perhaps facing north on summer days. It might be less expensive to suspend the house from 3 telephone poles, like this, seen from the top: s . . . p . . . H . . . . . . p p . . . . s s and like this from the side: p p p . p . p . p . . p H p . .........s.....p.......p.......p.....s............ s s The poles might each hold up about 30K lbs from the weight of the house and another 30K pounds or so from the guy wires, so each pole would need a 30 ft^2 footing, perhaps, and at 50 K psi, the steel cables would need to be about 1" diameter. Big nylon or dacron ropes might work instead of the steel cables. The wood of the poles would probably hold the weight in compression parallel to the grain, but the poles should probably be cemented on the outside, over wire reinforcement, to make them more durable and increase their polar moment of inertia, so they aren't so inclined to buckle. Tilting the poles out a bit would make the guy wires smaller. Tilting them in so they touch would help too, but that doesn't leave much room for the house. Althernatively, the house might be held up by a geodesic telephone pole structure, 20 poles, each 30' long (connected by what, ropes thru holes in the poles? Bolts, and steel plates. Lots of chicken wire and cement?) This would be about 150' in circumference, about 50' in diameter (if the poles poles were curved and pi were 3) and about 40' tall at the central point. Adding 5 more poles on the ground would solve the footing problem, and make a nice berm for the EPDM rubber reflecting pond and wastewater treatment facultative lagoon, with a small fountain. Enclosing the whole thing in polyethylene film might be nice. Un gout special. What would the building inspector say? Perhaps not much about safety, if the house were only 6" above the ground. What would the architect say ("THAT doesn't look like a house!" :-) What would the health department say? What would the neighbors say? What would the bank say? Or... the house could be floated on a shallow pool. A 30 x 30' two story house might weigh 100 psf, requiring a 2' deep pool, taking some or all of the load off the telephone poles. We could try this out with a prefab 8 x 12' shed, with PVs mounted on the south wall, a reflective south deck and an overhang, and reflective wings, sitting in a pool made with a 20' x 20' piece of EPDM rubber over a 2' tall perimeter earth berm. The pond corners might point to compass directions, and the shed might have a 12' rope from the center of the south wall to the south pond corner. We might mount two winches or garage door openers at the EW corners of the north wall of the shed, high up, connected to ropes to the EW pond corners, for treehouse-type two axis tracking, tilting the shed back to the north to point it up into the sky. The shed might have a waterproof skirt coming 2' up the walls on the outside, made from a single piece of EPDM rubber. So might a modular home... With all that water around it, PV cooling should be easy. One might even want to solar heat the house. >The sun hits the tops of the trees at 6 am or so, and doesn't hit the PVs >I have now for several hours after that. It just becomes a question of how >much it costs in money and aesthetics to put them up there, and how much >more vulnerable they become. A small PV tracking treehouse, 90' up, could be delightful. It might have a few mirrors or a bit of stained glass to glint onto your house, 300' to the north. Some wind chimes, perhaps, or some propellors and generators on the guy wires. With the right combination of strong and elastic ropes and mass and damping, vulnerability should not be a problem. It wouldn't be very expensive either. Small DC winches cost less than $200. Some people use $150 Sears radio-controlled garage door openers to haul out boats. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:34:08 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ARTICLES RE RBF 1990-96 ARTICLES ABOUT OR RELEVANT TO THE WORK OF R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER 1990-96 Compiled by Joe S. Moore, Updated March 30, 1996 1990 01-01 ELLIPTICAL DOME , 74,DI CHRISTINA,POPULAR SCI 01-02 ASTRONOMY ON THE ICE (S POLE DOME) , 1C,BROWNE ,S J MERC NEWS 01-08 MEDFLY MADNESS (PIC OF EYE) , 51,BONFANTE ,TIME 01-08 PROMOT DOME:RIVAL SCRAMBL SEL RETRACT-ROF, 34,HAYDEN ,MACLEAN'S 01-16 GEORGE JETSON AIRMOBILE;IT CAR THAT FLIES, 1B,ABRAMS ,S F CHRONICLE 01-17 OVATION FOR ORGANIC FARMERS , 1C,BECK ,S J MERC NEWS 02-01 SUBMARINE POWER LINES , 76,SCOTT ,POPULAR SCI 02-01 BUCKMINSTER FULLER UNIVERSE:APPRECIATION, 68,BRANLEY ,SCI TEACHER 02-12 DIAMONDS COULD BE HIGH TECH'S BEST FRIEND, 90,CAREY ,BUSINESS WEEK 02-18 UP, UP & AWAY , 6,SCHWARTEZ,SJ MERC WEST 02-22 MEDIA FIRM WORK DEAL:NAPKIN-SIZE SAT DISH, 5D,AP STAFF ,CALIFORNIAN 02-25 DOG SLEDDING FOR FIRST-TIMERS(3WAY WEAVE), 6T,WATSON ,S J MERC NEWS 03-05 FOUR STARS TEAM UP TO LAUNCH SKY CABLE , 29,LEWYN ,BUSINESS WEEK 04-01 DO HANDS-ON,TECH-BASE ACTIVS ENHANC LEARN, 26,KORWIN ,TECH EDUCATION 04-05 BREAKTHROUGH SEEN IN CONTROL OF ATOMS , 1A,RICE ,S J MERC NEWS 04-16 THE ULTIMATE QUEST , 50,LEMONICK ,TIME 04-16 HOW IT WORKS , 77,T STAFF ,TIME 04-26 WHAT CAN SAVE EARTH? A SMALL,GREEN PLANT, 4B,HUGHES ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 05-01 POLAR ROAMER (VTOL PASSENGER PLANE) , 14,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 05-01 WORLD POPULATION GROWTH RATE SLOWS , 56,F STAFF ,FUTURIST 06-01 SPACE POWER , 25,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 06-01 BODY-VESEL-MATRIX:COCREATIV IMAGE SYNER U,151,CARTER ,ZYGON 06-10 RUNNING PLANET IS NO EASY TASK , 5F,SHANNON ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 07-01 MANIPULATING ATOMS , 30,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 07-01 SUPER SCOP:BRIGHT NEW GENERATION OF SCOPE, 66,FISHER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 07-01 PSYCHOLOGICALY SIMPL MOTION AS GEO PATH:1,127,CARLTON ,MATH PSYCHOLOGY 07-01 PSYCHOLOGICALY SIMPL MOTION AS GEO PATH:2,189,CARLTON ,MATH PSYCHOLOGY 07-01 LOWEST COMMON FREQUENCY: B(B)+B(C)+C(C) , ,CLINTON,INTL JRNL SPACE STR 07-01 UNIFI APPROACH TO CLASS I,II,III GEO DOME, ,KITRICK,INTL JRNL SPACE STR 07-11 GE DIAMOND TRANSMITS HEAT, LIGHT BETTER , 3F,BROWNE ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 07-16 POVERTY PREDICT DECLINE;PROB STIL'STAGGER, 1A,FARNSWORTH,SJ MERC NEWS 08-01 JET SHIPS (COVER STORY) , 60,DANE ,POP MECHANICS 08-01 $2 BILLION PORT DISNEY PLAN UNVEILED , 8B,SJMN STAFF,SJ MERC NEWS 08-27 IS ED BASS A VISIONARY-OR SEEING VISIONS?, 60,BARTIMO ,BUSINESS WEEK 09-01 WHAT VIEW WOULD BE-500 STOR OVR TOKYO BAY, 10,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 09-01 GREAT BALLS OF CARBON.60-ATOM GEO SPHERE , 52,TAUBES ,DISCOVER 09-01 RBF'S GLOBAL ERGY NET:NEW PARADIGM NEEDED,362,MEISEN ,EKISTICS 09-09 MINI-EARTH BUILT IN A GREENHOUSE , 1A,CHUI ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 09-10 MAKING REFRIGERATORS HUM--WITH SOUND , 99,BUDERI ,BUSINESS WEEK 09-11 A WORLD UNDER GLASS (BIOSPHERE 2) , E1,CHUI ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 09-24 NOAH'S ARK--THE SEQUEL , 72,REINGOLD ,TIME 09-24 DESIGN:C PELLI PROVE BIG CAN BE BEAUTIFUL, 98,T STAFF ,TIME 09-25 WAVE POWER: SWELLING INTEREST , 4D,SIMONS ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 10-01 MATH IN A MILLION DIMENSIONS , 58,BERREBY ,DISCOVER 10-01 SNOOPING BAGEL , 12,YEAPLE ,POPULAR SCIENCE 10-01 THE ROBOT'S REACH , 68,WATERS ,DISCOVER 10-01 CENTAUR'S WORLD ATLAS 2.0 (AMIGA S/W) , 25,JAMES ,AMAZING COMPUTING 10-01 CHEMISTRY:BUCKYBALLS OR PURE,SOLID CARBON, A2,BOOTH ,WASHINGTON POST 10-01 WORLD GAME. (FOR RESOURCE USE) , 30,BALDWIN ,WHOLE EARTH REV 10-01 STRUCTURE OF VISUAL PERCEPTION ,7819,ZHANG ,NATL ACAD SCI-USA 10-15 LOST IN THE SAND? SATELLITE FINDS YOU , 1C,LANGBERG ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 11-01 INSIDE BIOSPHERE II (OCTET TRUSS & DOME) , 54,STOVER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 11-01 COMMUTER CRAFT IS FLIGHT TESTED , 10,YEAPLE ,POPULAR SCIENCE 11-01 B FULLER:HARMONIZING NATURE,HUMANITY,TECH,172,PHILLIPS ,ARTFORUM 11-07 AMER TOILETS HEADED FOR 1.6-GALLON FLUSH , 4D,CURRY ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 12-01 WORLD VIEW , 15,STOVER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 12-01 GIANT GREENHOUSE , 62,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 12-01 PUBLIC DOMAINE, DISK COLLECTIONS , 64,LOWENTHAL,INFO 12-05 POLLUT SOLUT-PURITANISM KILL HEMP,ETHANOL, 7B,MORRIS ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 12-08 BUCKYBALLS GET THEIR FIRST MAJOR PHYSICAL,357,AMATO ,SCIENCE NEWS 12-08 TENSEGRITY PUTS FUN INTO LEARNING , 4D,ARANGO ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 12-14 SCIENTIST GO BONKERS FOR CARBON BUCKYBALL, 2A,BOOTH ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 12-24 THE DAY I PLAYED GOD , 74,ELMER-DEWITT,TIME 12-31 SMALLEST ADVERTISEMENT , 51,T STAFF ,TIME 1991 01-01 HOME SWEET BIOME , 16,PM STAFF ,POP MECHANICS 01-01 BUCKYBALL , 21,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 01-01 SKYCAR , 35,MCCAFFERTY,POPULAR MECH 01-01 THESE GERMS WORK WONDERS , 83,STEWART ,READER'S DIGEST 01-01 SING TRAJECT PROB SIMPLE PURSUIT MANIFOLD, 54,MELIKYAN,PRIKLADN MAT,MEK 01-01 DESIGNER AS SAVIOR,DESIGNER AS SLAVE , ,BALDWIN ,WHOLE EARTH REV 01-06 PROF MOLLER FLIGHT FANCY:COMMUTER'S DREAM,11D,SJMN STAFF,S J MERC NEWS 01-25 BATTLE AIRWAVE;NETWORK SCRAMBLE SATELLITE, 1G,CLARK ,S J MERC NEWS 01-27 STRUCTURES MADE FOR COMPACT USE , 7E,SJMN STAFF,S J MERC NEWS 02-01 TENSION ICOS STRUCT USE TERRESTRIAL,SPACE,189,GOEL ,COMPUTE,STRUCTS 02-19 SAT RESEARCH CAST DOUBT BIG BANG CREATION, 2,NY TIMES NEWS SERV,CALIF 03-01 GREAT BAL CARBON:STORY BUCKMINSTERFULEREN, 22,SMALLEY ,SCIENCES 03-01 COMMUTERS IN THE SKY , ,PARKHURST ,COSTCO 03-03 KENNEDY BOOK PUT HUMAN FACE BILL OF RIGHT, 1L,CAPUZZO ,S J MERC NEWS 03-04 FILL 'ER UP--WITH HYDROGEN, PLEASE , 59,TEMPLEMAN ,BUSINESS WEEK 04-01 CON CENT DOME YIELD STRUCT,AESTHET BENEFT, 44,BORDENARO ,BLDG DES,CONST 04-01 ARE YOU READY FOR VIDEO'S BIG BANG! , 21,BUTTERWORTH,VIDEO 04-01 INVENTING A USEABLE PAST , ,ETTEMA ,INNOVATION 04-05 COSMOGRAPHY:BLUEPRINT FOR SCI,CULTURE FUT,130,STUTTAFORD,PUBLISH WEEKLY 04-08 KENNEDY:HEADLINE CONT HAUNT AM FAMOUS FAM, 9B,SJMN STAFF,S J MERC NEWS 04-09 SOLAR INDUS MAY SOON HAVE ITS DAY IN SUN , 1F,DORGAN ,S J MERC NEWS 04-15 THE GREAT LEAP FORWARD ,108,TANZER ,FORBES 04-15 AWASHDAY MIRACLE THAT GOES EASY ON WATER , 72,MARBACH ,BUSINESS WEEK 04-18 CONDUCTIVITY USE FOUND FOR CARBON FORM , 5C,A P ,S J MERC NEWS 04-26 HIGHER FULLERENES:ISOLATION,CHARACTER OF , ,S STAFF ,SCIENCE 04-29 KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE 'BUCKY BALL' , 68,N STAFF ,NEWSWEEK 05-01 THE WORLD GAME IS ON! , 3,P STAFF ,PASSPORT 05-02 PLAY 'WORLD GAME' IN CARMEL , 1,MBT STAFF ,MONT BAY TRIB 05-06 GREAT BALLS OF CARBON , 66,NASH ,TIME 05-08 WORLD GAME EVENT EXPECT DRAW 200 PLAY SAT, 5C,HOWE ,HERALD 05-09 SOLVING THE BIG PROBLEMS: WORLD GAME , 8,FISHKOFF ,COAST WEEKLY 05-12 DARK SECRET,HAUNT PAS EXPLORE ABORD QUEEN,10H,SJMN STAFF,S J MERC NEWS 05-20 YOU PAY NOTHING NOW! , 47,T STAFF ,TIME 05-31 A LESSON IN SOLVING WORLD'S PROBLEMS , 1B,PHILLIPS ,PHIL INQUIRER 06-01 RULE THE PLANET , 17,STAFF ,POPULAR SCI 06-01 SPACE-BASED RESORT , 12,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCI 06-08 BUCKYBALL SUPERCONDUCTORS GET WARMER ,358,SN STAFF ,SCIENCE NEWS 06-20 STRUCT SINGLE-PHASE SUPERCONDUCT K3-C60 ,632,STEPHENS ,NATURE 07-01 MACMIMIC WITH MM2(91) ,2801,ACS STAFF,AMER CHEM SOC 07-01 COSMOGRAPHY ,128,SHANE ,LIBRARY JOUR 07-01 EMERALD CITY , 20,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCI 07-01 GENOME , 58,EDELSON ,POPULAR SCI 07-01 TECH,SCI CONTRIB ENG FAC LK MARACAIB BRDG, 63,DE RINCON,REVI TEC INTEV 07-01 BUCKMINSTER FULLER , 95,FAUST ,ARTS MAGAZINE 07-01 HUMANS IN COSMOS ,199,FRANKLIN ,SYS RESEARCH 07-01 THE INVENTION BEHIND THE INVENTIONS , ,URNER ,SYNERGETICA 07-06 GREAT BALLS OF CARBON , 34,NS STAFF ,NEW SCIENTIST 07-06 BUCKYBALLS 'COVERED BY OLD PATENT' , 26,NS STAFF ,NEW SCIENTIST 07-06 FLUORINE COULD ADD A COAT TO FULLERENES , 25,NS STAFF ,NEW SCIENTIST 07-11 FULLERENES C60 & C70 IN FLAMES ,139,N STAFF ,NATURE 07-12 MODL LANG INTERACT DIALOG CONTRL COMPUTER,711,MOGIL'NYI ,REFRACTORIES 07-17 MIXE LOCAL-GLOBAL ERR MEASURE MIN DISTORT,181,LASKOWSKI,CARTOG,GIS/LIS 07-23 NEW CONCEPT MATH MORPH;TOP,DIF DIST FUNCT, 66,PRETEUX,INTL SOCI OPTI ENG 07-23 MORPHOLOGIC SEGMENT,3-D RENDER BRAIN MRI ,327,CONNOR ,INTL SOCI OPTI ENG 07-29 CREATING CHIPS AN ATOM AT A TIME , 54,PORT, OTIS,BUSINESS WEEK 07-29 NEW ALCHEMY:SCI MOLD MOLE TO MIRACLE MTRL, 48,FREUNDLICH,BUSINESS WEEK 07-31 MATHEMATICIAN PROVES PACKING THEORY-MAYBE, 1A,MAUGH ,S J MERC NEWS 08-01 REVERSING THE GREENHOUSE , 78,DI CHRISTINA,POPULAR SCI 08-01 BUCKYBALL: THE MAGIC MOLECULE , 52,EDELSON ,POPULAR SCI 08-01 FROM THE EDITOR , 4,ABATEMARCO,POPULAR SCI 08-01 STRUNG-UP ROOF , 27,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCI 08-01 DRILLING FOR CLUES TO THE CLIMATE , 70,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCI 08-01 HOME NEWSFRONT: CARDBOARD CONSTRUCTION , 47,DI CHRISTINA,POPULAR SCI 08-01 SURFACE REPRESENT USING GEO MORPHOLOGY ,257,ACHARYA,IEEE INT CON SYS 08-06 ENHANC MOLE MODEL ADD DTP:BALL,STCK UPDAT, 13,COHEN ,MACWEEK 08-09 FORMATION FULLERIDE-ENE-BASE HETEROSTRUCT,646,S STAFF ,SCIENCE 08-10 HOT TIMES FOR BUCKYBALL SUPERCONDUCTORS , 84,SN STAFF ,SCIENCE NEWS 08-15 SWITCH MAY TURN ON FUTURE , 4A,CHUI ,S J MERC NEWS 08-15 NOVEL METHOD SURFACE-RAY TRAC OVER HYPER,1501,JHA ,ELECTRON LETS 08-22 A QUICK BUCKY , 92,INHOSTANA ,FAR EAST ECON 08-24 FIDGETY FULLERENES ,113,SN STAFF ,SCIENCE NEWS 08-25 FOR SEVLLE FAIR, OLD GEODESIC DOME TRICK ,H24,HINES ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-29 FULLERENES WARM UP ,749,N STAFF ,NATURE 08-30 MCDONALD'S VENTURES FROM FOOD TO FUN ,12D,SJMN STAFF,S J MERC NEWS 09-01 SIDETRIP TAKE W/YOUR CARIB CRUSE SIDEKICK, 56,CLEESE ,MOTORLAND/CSAA 09-01 SYNERGY, HOLISTIC EDUCATION, BUCKY FULLER, ,GERBER ,HOLISTIC EDU REV 09-01 MOLECULAR MAN , 26,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 09-03 CHEMIST NEW TOY EMERGES AS SUPERCONDUCTOR, 1,NYT STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 09-14 'TWISTED FOOTBALL' JOINS FULLERENE FAMILY, 23, ? ,NEW SCIENTIST 09-23 THE LAUNCHING OF BIOSPHERE 2 , 1A,TORRIERO ,S J MERC NEWS 10-01 FULLERENES , 54,CURL ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 10-01 WORLD COMMUNICATOR , 26,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 10-01 COSMOGRAPHY , 50,BALDWIN ,WHOLE EARTH REV 10-17 THE HOMELESS AND CHRISTO'S UMBRELLAS , 1A,HAYES ,L A SENTINEL 10-26 CHEMIST PREDICT STRUCTURE NAT'L FULLERENE, 24,NS STAFF ,NEW SCIENTIST 10-28 DOWN TO EARTH ,190,WIEGNER ,FORBES 11-01 COSMOGRAPHY , 50,WER STAFF ,WHOLE EARTH REV 11-01 BUILDING COMPUTER CHIP ONE ATOM AT A TIME, 27,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 11-01 ZAPPING CLOTHES DRY , 66,BARNARD ,POPULAR SCIENCE 11-01 LITTLE DISH TV , 96,O'MALLEY ,POPULAR SCIENCE 11-01 FLOATING FABRIC OVER GEORGIA DOME , 34,LEVY ,CIVIL ENGINEER 11-15 SUPERCONDUCTIVITY IN THE FULLERENES ,989, ? ,SCIENCE 11-15 ELECT CORREL EFF,SUPRCONDCT DOPE FULLEREN,970,S STAFF ,SCIENCE 11-16 FULLERENE HELPS SYNTHETIC DIAMONDS GROW ,310,SN STAFF ,SCIENCE NEWS 11-18 'BUCKY' CARBON BREAKS OUT , 43,BROWN,ELECTRONIC ENG TIMES 11-22 SYSTEMATIC INFLAT C60:SYN FULLEROID 61-66,1186, ? ,SCIENCE 11-25 METHOD SURFAC-RAY TRACE NONDEVELOP SURFAC,181,JHA ,IEE CONF PUB #350 11-27 MISSOURI TH BENTON;B.FULLER HOLISTIC VIEW, B5,INGALLS,CHRONICLE HIGHER ED 12-01 BUCKYTUBE:FULLERENE FORM FINE,TOUGH FIBER, 24,ROSS ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 12-01 VIRUS GRAPHICS , 38,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 12-01 SCIENCE NEWSFRONT: ATOM SWITCH , 13,STOVER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 12-01 GLOBAL PHONE , ,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 12-01 ALL-GEO ALGORITHM FILAMENT WINDIN T-SHAPE,484,SEEREERAM,IEEE INDUS ELEC 12-01 GRAPH REPRESENT ORIENTAT,ODF RODRIGUE VEC,560,NEUMANN ,STEEL RESEARCH 12-06 PHAS TRANSFORM IN FULLERENE HI SHOCK PRES,1489,S STAFF ,SCIENCE 12-08 NEW INNOVATION--SKYCAR , 1D,AP.STAFF,MONT PENIN HERALD 12-08 BIG STRIDES ON A SMALL SCALE , 1E & 2E,CHUI ,S J MERC NEWS 12-09 SCIENCE'S AMAZING NEW BUILDING BLOCKS , 76, ?, ,BUSINESS WEEK 12-14 FILLING,FATHOMING FULLERENE MOLECULE ,391,SN STAFF ,SCIENCE NEWS 12-16 DOME HOMES ANGLE FOR COMEBACK , 8C,SJMN STAFF,S J MERC NEWS 12-21 CHEMISTRY ,419,SN STAFF ,SCIENCE NEWS 12-30 INHERIT THE WIND ,116, ? ,BUSINESS WEEK 1992 01-01 THE WAY IT WAS: 1933 , 60,GOLDBERG ,CONDE NAST TRAV 01-01 MARRIED TO THE JOB , 24,CARP ,OREGON BUSINESS 01-01 SCIENCE: SMALL WORLDS , 82,DANE ,POPULAR MECHANIC 01-01 OFFSHORE OIL: HOW DEEP CAN THEY GO? , 80,BRITTON ,POPULAR SCIENCE 01-01 THE RETURN OF THE GEODESIC DOME , 29,KNAUER ,FUTURIST 01-01 HETEROCLINIC ORBIT OF MINIMAL GEODESC , 92,BOLOTIN ,MATEMAT MEKHAN 01-01 PRES-INDUCED SHIFT PHOTOLUMINESC BAND , 89,SOOD ,SOLID STATE COMM 01-01 APPLICATIONS , 91,ADELI ,AEROSPACE ENG 01-13 SUPER DOMES ,137,BW STAFF ,BUSINESS WEEK 01-13 PRODUCT DESIGN: GIMME SHELTER ,128,BW STAFF ,BUSINESS WEEK 01-15 VACUUM UV PHOTOIONIZ MASS SPECTRO STUDY ,911,YOO ,CHEMICAL PHYSIC 01-16 CRUSHING C60 TO DIAMOND AT ROOM TEMP ,237, ? ,NATURE 01-16 SQUEEZING DIAMOND FROM FULLERENES ,205, ? ,NATURE 01-21 CHILLING TO SOUNDS:NOISE-POWERED FRIDGE , 1E,A.P.STAFF ,S J MERC NEWS 01-23 ENERGETICS OF NEG CURVED GRAPHITIC CARBON,333, ? ,NATURE 01-29 WHO'S PUTTING THE DOME IN DOMICILE? , ,KAHN ,SUN-SENTINEL 01-30 MAGIC NUMS,STABLE STRUCTS FOR FULLERENES ,428, ? ,NATURE 01-30 GIFT OF HOUSE BY FULLER , B3,NYT STAFF ,NEW YORK TIMES 02-06 INFA REFLECT SUPERCOND ERGY SCALE RB3-C60,532, ? ,NATURE 02-08 FUTURE HOUSE FINDS A HOME ,15D,WASH POST ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 02-08 THEORISTS DESIGN NEW-LOOK FULLERENES , 85, ? ,SCIENCE NEWS 02-13 SURFACE-RAY TRACE SOLUTION EILIP OF REVOL,367,JHA ,ELECTRONICS LETS 02-14 NORMAL-STATE MAG PROPS K/SUB 3/C/SUB 60/ , 79,WONG ,EUROPHYSICS LETS 02-18 NEW GENERATION EMBRACES DOME LIFE , ,KOENENN ,L ANGELES TIMES 02-27 RESEARCH & INNOVATION:NEW BLDG BLOCKS , 74,JOHNSTONE,FAR EAST ECON REV 03-01 CITY IN THE SEA , ,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 03-01 LOOKING BACK..25 YEARS AGO: MARCH 67 ,114,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 03-01 JACOBI EQUAT,RIEMAN CURV,MOT PERFCT I FLD,317,ROUCHON ,EURO JRNL MECH 03-01 KINEMATIC GEOMETRY OF SPHERICAL EVOLUTES ,109,SCHAAF ,MECHANICAL DES 03-01 INTRODUCING 'MOLECULE OF THE YEAR' , 30,KENWARD ,DIRECTOR 03-01 FULLER'S SYNERGETICS,SEX COMPLEMENTARITY , 3,ALLEN ,INTL PHILOS QUAR 03-12 STINKING BEAUTIES , 1D,LINDSEY ,S J MERC NEWS 03-13 EXTRACTION,STM IMAG SPHER GIANT FULLERENE,1413, ? ,SCIENCE 03-22 HE MADE YOU BELIEVE THE MOVIES , 6,GARGIULO ,ALTA VISTA 03-27 THERE NO PLACE LIKE DOME ERGY-EFFICIENT , 8,DULLEY ,S J MERC NEWS 03-28 NEW IRON-FILLED, LIGHT-BLOCKING FULLERENE,197, ? ,SCIENCE NEWS 04-01 SYNERGY, HOLISTIC EDUCATION & R. B FULLER, 12,GERBER ,SOLAR MIND 04-01 BUCKYTUBES , 31,NORMILE ,POPULAR SCIENCE 04-01 FOLLOWING DOMAINS ON CYLINDER & ON TORUS , 46,GUBAJDULLIN,MATEMAT,KIBERN 04-02 BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ,383, ? ,NATURE 04-05 EXPERIMENTS IN MUSIC, MOLECULES , 4F,ROBINSON ,S J MERC NEWS 04-09 NOVEL GEO SPLIT ON PARAB OF REVOL W/APPS ,701,JHA ,ELECTRONICS LETS 04-16 PHOTOCONDUCTIV OF FULLERENE-DOPE POLYMER ,585, ? ,NATURE 04-16 FROM BRILLIANCE TO CRACKPOTTERY ,633, ? ,NATURE 04-19 LITTLE HOUSE ON PRAIRIE GOES TO A MUSEUM ,H34,RYBCZYNSKI,NEW YORK TIMES 04-30 PENT,HEPTA,NEG CURV IN GRAPHITE MICROTUB ,776, ? ,NATURE 05-01 RESEARCHERS GIVE FULLERENES GAS ,611, ? ,SCIENCE 05-01 FULLER'S DYMAXION HOUSE TO BE DISPLAYED , 47, ? ,FUTURIST 05-01 SIZE-SENSITIVE MULTIRES DECOMP OF IMAGE ,205,SALEMBIER ,SIGNAL PROCESS 05-01 MECHANICS OF THE ANIMATE ,429,KILLEEN,EXPER ANALY BEHAV 05-07 ENCAPSULATION OF SCANDIUM TRIMER IN C82 , 52, ? ,NATURE 05-08 METALLO-CARBOHEDREN:FORM MULTICAGE STRUCT,818, ? ,SCIENCE 05-09 BUCKYBALL IN DISGUISE TAKE TO THE WATER , 15, ? ,NEW SCIENTIST 05-11 NOW BUCKYBALLS USED TO FILTER,TRAP GAS ,101,TEMPLETON ,BUSINESS WEEK 05-11 HONG KONG'S DWINDLING HOPE FOR DEMOCRACY , 57,EUGARDIO ,BUSINESS WEEK 05-14 NMR CHARACTER OF ISOMER C78,C82, & C84 ,142, ? ,NATURE 05-15 BUCKYBALLS ,1050, ? ,SCIENCE 05-16 TUBULAR BALLS , 92, ? ,ECONOMIST 05-16 THE RENAISSANCE MOLECULE , 91, ? ,ECONOMIST 05-29 ISOTOPE EFFECT SUPERCONDUCTING FULLERENE ,1306, ? ,SCIENCE 05-30 SERENDIPITY YIELDS BUCKYBALL TRAP FOR GAS,356, ? ,SCIENCE NEWS 06-01 HIGHWAY IN THE SKY ,106,MURRAY ,POPULAR SCIENCE 06-01 SOLAR CELL UPDATE , 95,EDELSON ,POPULAR SCIENCE 06-01 DESIGNED TO A TEE , 29,WALLACH ,POPULAR SCIENCE 06-01 MODEL CHEMICAL MOLECULES WITHIN WINDOWS ,100,B STAFF ,BYTE 06-01 PEDESTRIAN TENSEGRITY , 45,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECT RECORD 06-04 STRENGTH IN DISUNITY , 365, ? ,NATURE 06-04 MICROWAVE DRYER PASSES FIRST TESTS , 7E,SJMN STAFF,S J MERC NEWS 06-08 COLISION INDUCE FRAG,RESIL SCAT C/SUB 60 ,146,BUSMANN ,SURFACE SCIENCE 06-10 EXAMPL LARGE CLOSO BORON HYDRIDE ANALOG ,2297,LIPSCOMB ,INORGANIC CHEM 06-11 C60 CHEMISTRY EXPANDS ,443, ? ,NATURE 06-20 BORON MOLECULES THAT LOOK LIKE FULLERENE ,406, ? ,SCIENCE NEWS 06-26 ENERGETIC LARGE FULLERENE:BALL,TUBE,CAPS ,1792, ? ,SCIENCE 07-01 TALK WITH MICKEY LUKENS,AVON PARK,FL,PT2 , 50,ABBOTT ,DOME 07-01 DYMAXION HOUSE DONATED , 48,D STAFF ,DOME 07-01 (3,5+)1.48/B,O & A LITTLE OF ITS HISTORY , 42,CLINTON ,DOME 07-01 A DREAM DOME , 34,LARSON-BLASCHKE,DOME 07-01 DOME CLIMATES , 33,KENNEDY ,DOME 07-01 DOME HOMES GAINING RESPECT , 32,SALVAGGIO ,DOME 07-01 THIN SHELL:NEXT EVOLU IN SPACE ENCLOSURE , 28,ZIMMERMAN ,DOME 07-01 LIVING IN UN-NATURAL SURROUNDINGS , 24,STEVENS ,DOME 07-01 STEALTH DOME , 21,MILLER ,DOME 07-01 THIS AND THAT , 19,HOPSTER ,DOME 07-01 GORDOME--A PREHISTORY , 19,LEET ,DOME 07-01 MY INVOLVEMENT WITH DOMES , 16,LEET ,DOME 07-01 DEEP ARCHITECTURE: FORM FROM FUNCTION , 5,SCHAEFFER ,DOME 07-01 DAWN OF A NEW DISH , 40,ANGUS ,VIDEO 07-01 ISOMER,PAIR MECH ALK METL-DOPE FULLERIDE ,395,KASPERCZYK,PHIS STAT SOLID 07-10 FIRST SIGHTING OF BUCKYBALLS IN THE WILD ,167, ? ,SCIENCE 07-10 FULLERENE FROM GEOLOGICAL ENVIRONMENT ,215,BUSECH ,SCIENCE 07-10 FULLERENE CARB MOLE FOUND ANCIE MYST MIN ,A15,BROWNE ,NEW YORK TIMES 07-11 FULLERENES FOUND IN OLD ROCK, SPACE , 20, ? ,SCIENCE NEWS 07-13 COMMENT ON NUCLEATION C/SUB 60/CLUSTERS ,387,FORD ,PHYSIC REV LETS 07-16 DOWN THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW ,195, ? ,NATURE 07-18 SIMPLE RECIPE YIELDS FULLERENE TUBULES , 36, ? ,SCIENCE NEWS 07-18 RUSSIAN ROCK YIELDS NATURAL BUCKYBALLS , 18, ? ,NEW SCIENTIST 07-20 BIG STINK ON THE FARM , 31,GREISING ,BUSINESS WEEK 07-20 MICRO-OPTICAL ARRAY BY LASER DENSIFY ,215,CHIA ,INTL SOC OPTI ENG 08-01 PAPER-PATTERN SYS CONSTRUCT MOLE MODEL ,610, ? ,CHEMICAL EDUCAT 08-01 BUCKYMEMBRANES , 23,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 08-01 AN INTRODUCTION TO FULLERENE STRUCTURES ,605, ? ,CHEMICAL EDUCAT 08-01 WORLD ATLAS 2.5 (AMIGA S/W) , 75,RANDALL ,AMIGA WORLD 08-01 CLASSIC BUCKLING LOAD OF SPHERICAL DOME ,1513,KUNEIDA ,ENGINEERING MECH 08-01 AUTODESK SHIPS MOLECULAR MODELER , 88,B STAFF ,BYTE 08-04 FUEL CELLS COULD SUPPLY 90% WORLD ERGY , 4F,CHANDLER ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 08-27 5 FIRMS COMPETE IN PLAN FOR SAT FONE NET , 1F,ANDREWS ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 09-01 CREEP WAVE ON CONVEX BODY SATISFY IMPED ,400,BOUCHE ,ANNAL DES TELECOM 09-01 SELECT INIT POINT IN STUDY MOVEM OF DAM , 37,KARLSON ,GIDRO STROITEL'STV 09-01 MOLECULAR MODELING FOR NOVICES ,110,B STAFF ,BYTE 09-01 ID OF TOPO FEATURES ON GRAYSCALE IMAGES ,210,BLEAU ,IMAGE UNDERSTANDIN 09-01 PERCEPTION OF SURFACE CONTOURS, SHAPE: ,1449,KNILL ,OPTICS,IMAGE SCI 09-01 COSMOGRAPHY:POSTHOMOUS SCENARIO FOR FUT , ,LICHTER ,CHOICE 09-01 NEW SET OF FAST ALGORITHM FOR MATH MORPH ,178,BLEAU ,IMAGE UNDERSTANDIN 09-03 COALESCENCE REACTIONS OF FULLERENES , 44,N STAFF ,NATURE 09-05 BUCKYBALL COMBINE, MAKE GIANT FULLERENE ,149,SN STAFF ,SCIENCE NEWS 09-06 OF THE PC, BY THE MODEM & FOR THE PEOPLE , 1F,HARAKAS ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 09-07 CHRYSLER:WILL CARMAKER $1 BIL TECH CENT , 20,CONE ,INFORMATION WEEK 09-14 'GEODESIC DREAMS' BY GARDNER DOZOIS ,114,PW STAFF ,PUBLISHERS WEEKLY 09-21 WORLD FOOD SUPPLY CALLED SUFFICIENT , 4A,AP STAFF ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 10-01 TALK W/BUSICK,AM INGENUITY,MELBOURNE,FL , 42,ABBOTT ,DOME 10-01 DOME IDEAS , 33,HOPSTER ,DOME 10-01 MONOLITHIC DOMES , 31, ? ,DOME 10-01 FURNITURE FOR DOME HOMES , 28,HOPSTER ,DOME 10-01 INVERSE OF COMMON SENSE , 24,KELLY ,DOME 10-01 GORE/ZOME DOMES , 14,CLINTON ,DOME 10-01 SEWING A DOME , 10,MILLER ,DOME 10-01 THIS AND THAT , 9,HOPSTER ,DOME 10-01 COMPARISONS:SQ HOUSE BILL MATERL VS.DOME , 6,FRAWLEY ,DOME 10-01 SCIENCE NOTES , 33,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 10-01 COMPLEXITY AND MATERIALS RESEARCH , 22, ? ,PHYSICS TODAY 10-01 BILLIONS OF BUCKYTUBES ,115,SA STAFF ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 10-01 A FACE IN TIME, OR WHAT PRICE PUBLICITY? , 9,AR STAFF ,ARCHITECTURAL REC 10-01 AMONG THE NEW WORDS , ,LU STAFF ,LINGUISTIC USAGE 10-08 MAKE OR BREAK WITH FULLERENES ,479, ? ,NATURE 10-13 IT'S A SMALL, SMALL WORLD , 1F,NEWTON ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 10-22 ACTIVITIES:UN.DAY-ENVIRONMENT WORLD GAME , 17,CW STAFF ,COAST WEEKLY 10-25 SHOES OFF, 70 STRIVE TO IMPROVE EARTH , 1A,MESSICK ,MONT PENIN HERALD 11-01 SUPERCONDUCTIVITY IN DOPED FULLERENES , 26, ? ,PHYSICS TODAY 11-01 BUCKYBALLS , 54,WER STAFF ,WHOLE EARTH REV 11-01 SIM EARTH , 98,OLAFSON ,AMIGA WORLD 11-01 WHISPER PROP AT OPTICAL FREQ FOR SPH GEO ,359,SOTTINI ,PURE-APPL OPTICS 11-02 REPORT:LONG-DIST,NOT LOCAL EX,TRUE MONOP , 8,MASON ,TELEPHONY 11-12 FACT BEFORE THEORY , 78,JOHNSTONE FAR EAST ECON REV 11-15 SIMPLE PROOF OF PANCHARATNAM'S THEOREM ,191,ARAVIND ,OPTICS COMMUNICAT 11-20 ET AND COMPANY ,1384, ? ,SCIENCE 11-30 FOUL BALL:MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL MONOPOLY , 42,MADIGAN ,BUSINESS WEEK 11-30 BITS AND BYTES ,96R,SCHWARTZ ,BUSINESS WEEK 12-01 TALK /O'TOOLE AGS PRODUCT,PEMBROKE PK,FL , 28,SENEENBAUGH,DOME 12-01 HOW TO ADD HEIGHT TO YOUR DOME HOME , 23,HOPSTER ,DOME 12-01 DOMES GAIN ACCEPTANCE , 21,JOHNSON ,DOME 12-01 THE BUILDING OF A DREAM HOME , 16,WENST ,DOME 12-01 THIS AND THAT , 14,HOPSTER ,DOME 12-01 PANEL DOMES AND HUB-AND-STRUT DOMES , 12,FRAWLEY ,DOME 12-01 RELATIONSHIP OF DOMES,THEIR SIGNIFICANCE , 11,RUMREY ,DOME 12-01 RECESSION BOOST GEO DOME HOME POPULARITY , 9,DAVIES ,DOME 12-01 PROPOSAL FOR LONG BEACH STAR DOME , 7,WRIGHT ,DOME 12-01 DOME CONFERENCE 1992 , 4,MILLER ,DOME 12-01 WASHING DISHES WITH LESS , 56,HETH ,POPULAR SCIENCE 12-01 MOLECULAR DOILY , 16,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 12-01 CONSTRUCTION DREAM MACHINE , 17,LANGRETH ,POPULAR SCIENCE 1993 01-01 PUMPED-UP TENT , 12,WHAT'S NEW ED,POPULAR SCI 01-21 MAKING BUCKS ,218, ? ,NATURE 01-23 FULLERENES: FILL 'EM UP OR MOVE 'EM OUT , 55, ? ,SCIENCE NEWS 01-25 CERTAIN ACTIVITIES R.BUCKMINSTER FULLER , 60,REESE ,CHEMICAL,ENG NEWS 02-01 A HAIRY TALE ABOUT SUPERCONDUCTIVITY , 67,SMITH ,BUSINESS WEEK 02-01 DAMAGE SIM IN HETERO MATERIAL FROM GEO , 81,JEULIN ,ENGINEERING COMPUT 02-01 STUDY OF MAGNE CONFIG,VACUUM ELECT DRIFT ,354,PERELYGIN ,NUCLEAR FUSION 02-01 COSMOGRAPHY , 68,,WAVERING ,SCIENCE TEACHER 02-01 ARCTIC WATERWORKS , 56,SLESSOR ,ARCHITECTURAL REV 02-09 SUPER CONDUCTORS , 1C,CHUI ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 02-18 NEW GENERATION EMBRACES DOME LIFE , E5,KOENENN ,LOS ANGELES TIMES 02-19 ARTIST ASAWA VENTURE IN UNCHARTED WATER , 14,LIM ,ASIANWEEK 02-20 FULLERENES: STACKED,SQUEEZED,POLYMERIZED ,119, ? ,SCIENCE NEWS 03-01 FLIGHTS OF TERRA FIRMA , 39,DI CHRISTINA,POPULAR SCI 03-01 COMPUTER-MEMORY SPIN , 27,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 03-01 BUBBLE WASH , 13,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 03-01 CONVERSE THEOREM IN STAT HYPO TESTIN PT1 ,629,NAKAGAWA,IEEE TRAN INF THEO 03-01 THERMAL DIFFUS/CONDUCT OF COMPACT OF C60 ,754,WITHERS ,AM CERAMIC SOC 03-01 CONVERSE THEOREM IN STAT HYPO TESTIN PT2 ,623,NAKAGAWA ,IEEE TRAN INF THE 03-01 MEAS RATE OF SEPARAT OF TRAJECT FROM GEO ,249,SZCZESNY ,SOLITONS,FRACTALS 03-05 CHEMISTS MAKE 'IMPOSSIBLE' COMPOUND ,C18,BROWNE ,NEW YORK TIMES 03-15 LASERS IN A NEW LIGHT , 94,GROSS ,BUSINESS WEEK 03-27 NO PLACE LIKE DOME FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY , 8E,DULLEY ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 03-30 TINY WIRES MAY MEAN TINY PCS , 29,FLYNN ,PC MAGAZINE 04-01 LIVING ON THE FAULT LINE , ,STEVENS ,DOME 05-01 MOLECULAR MARVELS , 91,LANGRETH ,POPULAR SCIENCE 05-21 NEW TWIST ON INTEGRIN & THE CYTOSKELETON ,1080,HEIDEMANN,SCIENCE 06-01 FUEL CELL UPDATE , 88,SKERRETT ,POPULAR SCIENCE 06-01 WORLD'S THINNEST WIRES , 27,STOVER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 06-01 JUMP-JET AIRLINER , 38,FREEMAN ,POPULAR MECHANIC 06-01 COLORADO DOME , 60,WEINGARDT ,CIVIL ENGINEERIN 06-08 A VERY L.A. STORY , 1D,KRAMER ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 07-01 CHIPS REACH THE ATOMIC LEVEL , 44,O'MALLEY ,POPULAR SCIENCE 07-01 MONEY DOWN THE DRAIN , 30,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIENCE 07-01 FINISH SCHOOL:J CAGE,ABSTRACT EXPRESSION ,628,JONES ,CRITICAL INQUIRY 07-01 A BAPTIST MEETS BUCKY ,266,GOWAN ,PRINT 08-01 NEON BUCKYBALLS , 24,STOVER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 08-01 GEOMETRIC TENT , 18,WHATS NEW ED,POPULAR SCI 08-01 SCIENCE CITE , 63,FISHER ,POPULAR SCIENCE 08-01 IT AIN'T OVER'TILL IT'S OVER.COLD FUSION , 47,BISHOP ,POPULAR SCIENCE 08-01 CORRECT VON BAEYER NAME FOR FULLERENE ,609,ECKROTH ,JRNL CHEMICAL ED 08-03 'BUCKYBALL' JOKE IS AIDS INSPIRATION , ,PETIT ,S FRAN CHRON 08-03 BUCKYBALL MAY BLOCK KEY STEP TOWARD AIDS , 2E,SJMN STAFF,S JOSE MERC NEWS 08-03 'BUCKYBALL' MOLECULE MAY BLOCK AIDS STEP , B8,BROWNE ,NEW YORK TIMES 08-14 MICROWAVES MOVE INTO THE LAUNDRY ,22E,MCGARVEY ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 08-27 SYN ALPHA-AMINO ACID DERIVS OF C60 FROM. ,4799,YI-ZHONG,JRNL ORGANIC CHEM 08-30 CATCHING THE NEXT TECHNOLOGY WAVE , 31,LEWYN ,BUSINESS WEEK 08-30 WINDOWS ON THE WORLD OF ATOMS , 62,GROSS ,BUSINESS WEEK 09-01 HOME FRONT: DOMESTYLE ORIGINALS , ,FRANKEL ,HOME MAGAZINE 09-01 OCEAN CITY , 15,SOVIERO ,POPULAR SCIENCE 09-01 THE FUTURE NOW , 52,ID STAFF ,INTERIOR DESIGN 09-01 SPAC SAMPLIN HEAD ELEC FIELDS:GEO SENSOR , 87,TUCKER ,ELECTROENCEPHALOG 09-15 BREAKTHRU NAV SYSTEM PASSES FLIGHT TEST , 3F,SJMN STAFF,S JOSE MERC NEWS 09-17 SATELLITE TV COMES BACK W/NEW,SMALL DISH , 30,WICKSTROM ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 09-25 BUCKYBALL ELECTRONS PREFER PENTAGONS , 13,EMSLEY ,NEW SCIENTIST 09-27 2 YRS LATER,BIOSPHERIANS RESUME LIFE , 1A,TORRIERO ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 10-01 THE OUTLOOK FOR HYDROGEN , 66,MAYERSOHN ,POPULAR SCIENCE 10-01 ANALY OF/SUP 87/RB,/SUP 13/C HYPERFINE , 59,ZIMMER ,EUROPHYSICS LETS 10-03 ASIAN POVERTY FADING INSILENT REVOLUTION ,23A,SIMONS ,S J MERCURY NEWS 10-05 SOUND COOL!SCIENTIST BUILD FRIDGE OF FUT , 1,NICHOLS ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 10-10 DIAMOND MAY GIVE COMPUTER A BOOST , 1A,SMITH ,S JOSE MERC NEWS 11-01 SPANNING THE GLOBE BY COMPUTER , 47,O'MALLEY ,POPULAR SCIENCE 11-01 DOME SWEET DOME:BF'S DREAM FOR MASS HOUS , 66,ANDERTON ,ARCHITECTURAL REV 11-08 THE SUN SHINES BRIGHTER ON ALTERN ENERGY , 94,REGAN ,BUSINESS WEEK 11-27 APPLIANCES OF THE (NEAR) FUTURE , 1E,SJMN STAFF,S JOSE MERC NEWS 11-28 GEEZ, IF BUGSY ONLY KNEW WHAT HE STARTED , 1G,WIGGLESWORTH,SJ MERC NEWS 12-01 SOFTWARE WITH IDEAS OF ITS OWN , 48,BEARD ,POPULAR SCIE 12-01 STAR CLUSTERS , 79,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIE 12-01 COMPUTERS FROM DNA , 59,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCIE 12-08 HITACHI DEVELOPS 1-ELECTRON MEMORY CHIP , 9D,SJMN STAFF,S J MERC NEWS 12-11 DOMES ,8634,TR STAFF ,THOMAS REG AM 12-12 DOMES, BULK STORAGE ,8636,TR STAFF ,THOMAS REG AM 12-13 DOMES, GEODESIC ,8636,TR STAFF ,THOMAS REG AM 12-14 DOMES, GLASS DISPLAY ,8636,TR STAFF ,THOMAS REG AM 12-15 DOMES, METAL ,8636,TR STAFF ,THOMAS REG AM 12-16 SECTION 05160 , ,S STAFF ,SWEETS GEN BLD 12-19 HUGHES LAUNCHES SATELLITE TV SYSTEM , 1E,ANDREWS ,S J MERC NEWS 1994 01-01 $30 MIL FRIDGE:HOW WHIRLPOOL DESIGNED... , 65,LANGRETH ,POPULAR SCIEN 02-01 HOME SWEET DOME , 45,DI CHRISTINA,POPULAR SCI 02-01 MILLIONS OF WORKERS ARE HOMEWARD BOUND , 40,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCI 02-18 FAA AUTHORIZES SATELLITE NAV FOR AIRLINE , 2F,SJMN STAFF,SAN JOSE MERC 02-23 ESPY,FUTURISTS SEE MIGRATION FROM CITIES , 2,TRUELSEN ,AG ALERT 02-25 STEP RIGHT UP TO DAZZLING HIGH-TECH SHOW , 26,PLOTNIKOFF,SAN JOSE MERC 03-20 THE FEMALE TOUCH , 1A,LEWIS ,SAN JOSE MERC 03-21 NEW FIRM PLANS GLOBAL SATELLITE LINK , 1A,ANDREWS ,SAN JOSE MERC 03-22 TELEDESIC FIRES OPENING SALVO , 5E,SMITH ,SAN JOSE MERC 03-22 NEW VENTURE SEEKS TO COVER EARTH , 1A,MANEY ,USA TODAY 1995 01-01 FLYING SAUCERS: THE REAL STORY ,50-3+,DANE ,POP MECHANICS 07-01 THE FORECAST FOR WIND POWER ,66-72+,STOVER ,POPULAR SCI 12-11 THE NEXT SPACE RACE: SNAPSHOTS? ,111,CAREY ,BUSINESS WEEK 1996 01-01 A NEW BUCKY MAP ,112,WER STAFF ,WHOLE EARTH REV 02-01 AMERICA'S FIRST EYES IN SPACE ,42-7,BROWN ,POPULAR SCIENCE 02-01 HIGH SPIES ,47-51,CHJEN ,POPULAR MECH 04-01 GARDEN OF EDEN: EXCERPT FROM _BUCKYWORKS_, 6,BALDWIN ,WHOLE EARTH REV 04-01 HOBERMAN SPHERE , 18,WER STAFF ,WHOLE EARTH REV 04-01 OCEAN FLOOR MAP , 52,WER STAFF ,WHOLE EARTH REV -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:36:49 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: DOME magazine (fwd) Comments: cc: Synergetics List Donald R. Hoflin writes: > From lynx.csn.net!hoflin.com!donh Sat Mar 30 13:44:47 1996 > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 96 14:45:02 -0800 > From: "Donald R. Hoflin" > Organization: Hoflin Publishing, Inc. > Subject: DOME magazine > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Message-ID: <177829.ensmtp@hoflin.com> > Priority: normal > X-Mailer: ExpressNet/SMTP v1.1.5 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > DOME magazinie is now pictured and there is sub infor about it at > http://www.hoflin.com > > > -- > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Sent via ExpressNet/SMTP(tm), Internet Gateway of the Gods! > ExpressNet/SMTP (c)1994-95 Delphic Software, Inc. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > .- > -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:36:45 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Tracking houses? Get Real... Nick Pine said: >A PV friend says: > >>I've been dreaming of suspending an array in between two trees >>at about the 90' level... > >With ropes going east and west? That seems interesting, 3/4 up those tall >trees 300' to the south of your house, with some nylon ropes running north >and south to the ground from the bottom? Seems like this would usually lead >to shading by other trees, if not falling branches, etc. I would like to >build a treehouse, a large one for living in, even. I traded some letters >with serious treehouse people years ago, one a prof in North Carolina... [remainder snipped] The astute student would have asked about the wind. A PV array (or a PC treehouse), if suspended by cables, would be thrown off by the wind. Even the commerical-grade tracking solar panel racks have problems with the wind. A PV panel acts like an airfoil. This is why successful PV installations have polar mounts (a "polar mount" is a pole that points at the north star for those who might not know the term), massive counterweights, and lots of concrete to anchor them. Even then, the darned things tend to "drift" in the wind. Steve Baer of Zomeworks has a nice little design called a "track rack". It is a 100% mechanical set-up, and requires no electricity. It uses a tube filled with a freon-like stubstance to act as the lever to slowly tip an otherwise perfectly balanced arrangement. One must adjust it monthly to account for the "height" of the sun above the horizon, so the "automatic" part of the deal is the daily east-west motion. Even then, high gusty winds can cause problems. I hope that Steve is no longer using freon, but he is playing the time- honored trick of walking the tightrope between liquid and gas (and hence "heavy" and "light") with something or other. A better approach (but using some electricity) is a "seeker" toy, which uses 5 (or more) CDS cells, each at the bottom of a short tube. The CDS cells should be arranged like this: 0 OOO O ...and the idea here is to wire the outer CDS cells to the appropriate servomotors (via solid-state relays) to keep the array "dead center" on the Sun. When the center CDS cell "sees" the brightest light, the system is "happy". You mount the CDS array on the PV rack, the CDS array moves with the PV panel. The outer tubes should be less narrow than the center one, to allow a rack that is "way off" to find the sun again. When all goes totaly dark, a relay takes over to return the array to pointing east, waiting for morning. With this set up, when the wind blows the array "off track", the CDS sells "seek" the sun again, no matter how far off track. I have no idea if anyone sells these, I built my own using parts from Radio Shack and some electric-window motors and relays from a scrap-yard Volvo. I love junkyards! I am not a big fan of PVs, I use my seeker-tracker to point a parabolic focusing mirror to turn stream water into steam. With steam, one can have all sorts of fun. To be 100% honest, I would hold off on buying ANY solar panels for the next 2 years (unless you MUST have them now). I have been sent a small test sample of what will soon be the ultimate PV material: - You shingle the south side of your roof with it - You buy it in rolls - It is cheap - nearly as cheap as shingles in the sort of quantities that would be appropriate. When one can make one's entire roof into a solar panel, optimization hacks like "tracking" become a moot point. The world will change only by raising humanity's consciousness. Humanity's consciousness will be raised only by a world change. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:06:08 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: ARTICLES RE RBF 1995 ARTICLES RELEVANT TO FULLER'S WORK: 1995 (REVISED) 1995 01-01 FLYING SAUCERS: THE REAL STORY ,50-3+,DANE ,POP MECHANICS 07-01 LETTER FROM THE EDITOR-IN-CHIEF , 3,HARGITTAI ,CHEM INTELIGENCR 07-01 DISCOVERERS OF BUCKMINSTERFULLERENE ,6-26,HARGITTAI ,CHEM INTELIGRNCR 07-01 NOMENCLATURE OF FULLERENES ,48-51,TAYLOR ,CHEM INTELIGENCR 07-01 THE NAMING OF BUCKMINSTERFULLERENE ,52-4,APPLEWHITE,CHEM INTELIGENCR 07-01 REVIEWS (FULLERENR BOOKS) ,59-61,HARGITTAI ,CHEM INTELIGENCR 07-01 THE FORECAST FOR WIND POWER ,66-72+,STOVER ,POPULAR SCI 07-08 THE INTERNATIONAL GRID ,38-42,?????? ,NEW SCIENTIST 09-01 DIMINUTIVE DISH , 20,PS STAFF ,POPULAR SCI 10-01 QUANTUM-MECHANICAL COMPUTERS ,140-5,LLOYD ,SCIENTIFIC AMER 12-11 THE NEXT SPACE RACE: SNAPSHOTS? ,111,CAREY ,BUSINESS WEEK -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 05:03:08 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: Kenneth Snelson: new web page For those of you who have wondered about where Kenneth Snelson, the famous artist, fits into the historical picture vis-a-vis Bucky, and vice versa, background materials may now be found at: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/snelson.html along with some excellent Snelson pictures, most of them in stereo (have to cross your eyes -- takes a bit of practice). Their relationship started out brilliantly, with Ken being Fuller's protege-in-the-making back in 1948 at Black Mountain College. Whereas both men remained brilliant thereafter, the relationship itself became very tense (shall we say), as Snelson saw Fuller appropriating 'tensegrity' without proper attribution (not that Fuller didn't contribute *something* to the idea -- just that Ken was no passive recepticle in which the master's genius was mirrored, not by a long shot). Anyway, check out the materials yourselves and draw your own conclusions. Ken's work is beauty itself, and we can see how Fuller saw in it god's own handiwork. Kirby ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 07:14:00 GMT Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Organization: 4D Solutions Subject: 4D Chronicler (Vol 2. No. 1): An Internet Newsletter re the Design Science Revolution \ /\ /\ / \ /\ /\ / \ / \ / \ / The 4D Chronicler \ / \ / \ / \/____\/____\/ \/____\/____\/ /\ /\ /\ An Internet Newsletter /\ /\ /\ / \ / \ / \ by Kirby Urner / \ / \ / \ /____\/____\/____\__________________________________/____\/____\/____\ ======================================================================= Published Quarterly March 1996 Vol 2. No. 1 ======================================================================= THIS ISSUE: FOCUS ON THE MEDIA: BOOK, TV, WEB, REALITY TABLE OF CONTENTS 1. BuckyWorks: the book is out! 4. Editorial: 'People in the Real' 2. 'Thinking Out Loud' 5. Note from 4D Solutions -- on the Big Screen 3. Web Views: Lookin' Good Ya'll! Note: if the header looks funny, adjust your font to fixed pitch ======================================================================= 1. BuckyWorks: The Book is Out! No, this isn't a book review. I've got it on order from John Wiley & Sons via my local bookstore. 'Any day now...' But get the Spring issue of the Whole Earth Review if you want a quick preview. J. Baldwin's prose packs a punch (he's good in the PBS documentary too -- see below). The Garden of Eden dome was only awaiting the development of durable, affordable, transparent materials, capable of both insulating and letting a lot of light through. Now the materials have become available. So what are we waiting for? More prototypes and "carefully crafted media coverage" says Baldwin. [ISBN 0-471-12953-4, $29.95 postpaid, John Wiley & Sons, Inc., I WIley Dr., Somerset, NJ 08875; (800) 225-5945]. 2. Thinking Out Loud on the Big Screen April 10- 9:00 pm on PBS (check local listings) Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud -- American Master's Series on all PBS stations (check your local station for variations in schedule). The work of producer/director Kirk Simon and Karen Goodman, both academy award nominees in documentaries. The Buckminster Fuller Institute is a co-producer of the picture which has been in the works for well over five years. This film had its premiere screening at Sundance in January and Janet Maslin of the NY Times called the film artful and said the film "offers an especially insightful and colorful portrait, with a distinguished set of talking heads commenting wryly on the eventful life of the quirky visionary. "He was the great enemy of the architectural profession throughout his life." says Philip Johnson, "and we loved him in spite of it." Monday April 15th at 7:00 & 9:15 pm and Tuesday April 16th at 7:00 & 9:15pm Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud -- Castro Theatre in San Francisco 429 Castro Street Information (415) 621-6120 See the BFI Events web page for hyperlinks to more sites re this excellent documentary (which is also quite funny in parts). 3. Web Views: Lookin' Good Ya'll * GENI is back on the web, after a post-Centennial hiatus. * World Game has graduated to Netscape frames, adding a nice touch to an already well-design site, thanks to Chuck Dingee's webmastery. * BFI has proto-pages on line at Kiyoshi Kuromiya's Critical Path site in Philadelphia. Calendar, some pictures, info about staff and more. * Synergetics Java applets, VRML geodesic spheres, and ever more animations, by such masters as Gerald de Jong (Java Struck -- a 4D tensegrity applet) and Richard Hawkins, continue to enrich the net. * More and more dome manufacturers are coming forward, web pages ready, eager to move ahead with next-generation housing solutions. * Individual initiative abounds: 'networking like crazy' is the name of this global game called 'making it work' (yes, hype has its place, but what's happening on the net is also substantive, and becoming more so, thanks to the individual integrity of folks like you and me) For a current list of web links see: ftp://ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/artindex.html 4. Editorial: 'People in the Real' Like 'theater in the round', we get more out of the drama of life when we're willing to view ourselves and others from many angles: I call it seeing 'People in the Real.' Simon & Goodman wanted to make a documentary about Bucky, the real person, not some fabrication or idealization we might project. The man had an ego, many talking heads tell us. He was a showman, a charismatic promoter of both himself and his wares, even something of a womanizer (at least in his own mind). These are just a few of the angles from which history will judge. You can find more to chew on via Kenneth Snelson's new web pages. My personal commitment is to the betterment of the human condition, and I think this is what I share with my collaborators, over and above a need to always look good, or to join in hero worship. Many of the real heros of the design science revolution will remain unsung, unappreciated. Even when playing world game instead of war games, boosting the power of livingry over weaponry, we'll still have Tombs of the Unknown. When I remember my commitment, I have a greater power to see people as they are, not as I want or think I need them to be. And I realize that 'getting credit' is far less an issue than 'getting on with the show.' Bucky asked us to learn from his life what each one of us is at heart: a local problem solver in Universe endowed with a sense of the eternal design. Yet Bucky was just another average guy, with all the symptoms of being a 'mere mortal.' I thank all of you who help me to keep these realities in focus and help me to remember the difference between a our design science revolution and yet another organized religion. 5. Note from 4D Solutions This communication is distributed free via the internet by 4D Solutions, a private solutions provider based in Portland, Oregon. Kirby Urner is responsible for the content and any inaccuracies or omissions should be brought to his attention. Email your news and comments to: pdx4d@teleport.com. Past issues: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/4dchron.html -------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------- Kirby Urner "All realities are virtual" -- KU Email: pdx4d@teleport.com Web: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 05:25:54 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Nick Pine Organization: Villanova University Subject: Re: Tracking houses James Fischer again condescends: > The astute student would have asked about the wind. Perhaps you didn't see this at the end: >With the right combination of strong and elastic ropes and >mass and damping, vulnerability should not be a problem. > A PV array (or a PC treehouse), if suspended by cables, would be > thrown off by the wind. True. But how much and how often? Being thrown off by 10 degrees once in a while may make little difference. This is a numerical question. > Even the commerical-grade tracking solar > panel racks have problems with the wind. A PV panel acts like > an airfoil. This is why successful PV installations have polar > mounts (a "polar mount" is a pole that points at the north star > for those who might not know the term), massive counterweights, > and lots of concrete to anchor them. Even then, the darned > things tend to "drift" in the wind. Contrary to what you say, the ones that use motors tend to be more stable this way, not less, than Steve Baer's passive trackers, which will steadily point with an offset sun angle in a steady wind. > A better approach (but using some electricity) is a "seeker" > toy, which uses 5 (or more) CDS cells, each at the bottom > of a short tube. The CDS cells should be arranged like this: > > 0 > OOO > O This is 50's technology, James. Today people use CCD arrays and microcomputers that know what time of day it is. > I love junkyards! We can tell. > To be 100% honest, I would hold off on buying ANY solar panels > for the next 2 years (unless you MUST have them now). I have > been sent a small test sample of what will soon be the ultimate > PV material: > > - You shingle the south side of your roof with it > - You buy it in rolls > - It is cheap - nearly as cheap as shingles in the > sort of quantities that would be appropriate. > > When one can make one's entire roof into a solar panel, optimization > hacks like "tracking" become a moot point. Yeah yeah yeah, the big pricethrough is "just around the corner..." Or is it? I wonder, given the email below, posted with Pali's permission. Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:02:03 -0500 X-To: nick@ece.vill.edu (Nick Pine) From: "Dr. P. Singh" Nick: I have a couple of corrections to make to your statements about my PV research and Ovshinsky's panels. I am working on electroplated solar cells on transparent substrates. The electroplating process is a low temperature process (60 C) and so could potentially be used on plastic substrates with a transparent conducting oxide (such as tin oxide or indium tin oxide) as the transparent contact. This would allow potentially low cost devices to be manufactured since the process and materials costs could both be very low. The transparent substrate would also allow heat to pass through so that the use of these devices in a hybrid electrical/thermal system would be a great idea. It also makes a lot of sense to use these types of PV cells in a hybrid solar collector with a heat exchanger because that would allow the cells to operate a little more efficiently !! I will keep you informed as to how the research is going but don't hold your breath - after all it is research and may take a few years to get to a point before it is commercially viable. In terms of Ovshinsky's cells, these are amorphous silicon alloys that are made by a plasma assisted chemical vapor deposition process. Those big chambers that you have seen that look like a newpaper press are in fact evacuated chambers in which gases of SiH4, GeH4, CH4, PH3 (phosphine), AsH3(arsine) and B2H6 (diborane) flow. An RF plasma is used to break down these gases and the Silicon, germanium, carbon, hydrogen and dopant components are driven to the stainless steel substrate by the capacitive DC self-bias between anode and cathode capacitor plates. The multiple chambers are used to deposit individual layers of a device that may have as many as 10-12 layers !! This is not an inherently cheap process in small scale production (<10MW/yr.) and so the selling price of $4.50 a peak Watt is about the production price of these cells. (USSC is very secretive about its books and so the exact production price is erally not known but Solarex's Thin Film Division makes a similar product and they are selling the cells for more than it costs to make them). As far as I am aware only the Solarex polycrystalline silicon cell division is making money as a solar cell manufacturer and they are selling at about $3.50 a peak Watt for large orders. There is a joint venture between Enron Corp. and Amoco (Solarex's parent company) to make a 10 MW/yr. thin film PV manufacturing facility in Virginia. Until now the amorphous silicon community has said that the cost of amorphous silicon PV will drop dramatically (down to less than $1/Wp) if they could take advantage of economies of scale and produce at least 10MWp/yr. Enron has called their bluff and so let's see what happens !! Keep posted. In the meantime Solarex's polycrystalline silicon cell division is ramping up to increase their production capacity three-fold and Siemens Solar (what used to be ARCO Solar) is also increasing production. So there is a growing market for PV but primarily for remote applications in developing countries. I agree that we should start any solar home design with trying to meet the heating load of a house through good passive solar design (after insulating the house as well as possible) and then look to fund PV to supply the necessary but small electric load (if economically justified). I'm still looking for students for solar home projects - I'll let you know if I get any bites. Best regards, Pali Singh ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 08:17:19 -0800 Reply-To: ud501@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Denis F. Blue" Subject: NONBUCKY BOOKS OK Joe Moore: here's one for you! In what famous painter's autobiography was included an alleged verbatim transcript of a conversation between he and Bucky? Quick now! No dilly-dallying! -- ### ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 13:48:58 PST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: NONBUCKY BOOKS Comments: To: ud501@freenet.victoria.bc.ca In-Reply-To: <199603311617.IAA01471@vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca>; from "Denis F. Blue" at Mar 31, 96 8:17 am Denis F. Blue writes: > OK Joe Moore: here's one for you! > In what famous painter's autobiography was included > an alleged verbatim transcript of a conversation > between he and Bucky? > Quick now! No dilly-dallying! I don't know! If you do, I'de love to know the name of the book, it's author, year published, publisher, and pages that the transcript appears on. -- JOE S. MOORE joemoore@bbs.cruzio.com TEL: 408-464-3743 850 PARK AVE, # 3-A ALTERNATE TEL AND/OR FAX: 408-479-0733 CAPITOLA, CA 95010 USA I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.