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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE30EA.33E552A0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:46:53 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Sun sweep? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8BBBA55BC3504BB57D84D4B5" --------------8BBBA55BC3504BB57D84D4B5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael S. Mitchell wrote: There is no solids. If you understand what I am thinking about it is that all what is considered matter has radii, that confirms a volume on the end of it. Iron is just a lot of radii photons in micro geodesic great circle radii of smaller volumes of photons, atoms, ether dust made of radii, great circle precessional etc. ALL the volume that surrounds us is all radii of volumes of all diameters of other volumes of radii micro to macro. All sub atomic, electric, solar, to cosmic radii. Each radii is in motion making an area of swept like Kepler's second law of angular momentum where all the planets sweep out the same area in the pieces of pie inwhich they make going around the sun in the same amount of time. What I am saying is that an angstrom sweeps out the same area in the same time a lot of area. Thus if you add all the atomic radii at the end of any other primitive radii or ( gravitational gravitational) the electric radii adds the same area sweep out to the gravitatonal radii sweepout. The area of the ( molecular ) radii sweep out for the earth and the moon will equal the area sweep out of the planets piece of pie around the sun in the same time. Hence the unified field theory of unitivity. Mark Somers wrote: > Michael, The earths core isn't exactly molten it's solid iron > suspended in liquid iron. There is a recent discovery about the > earth's core that I find interesting. I'll try looking it up. And > please do the calculations. Plus I think Bucky mentioned that the > upper most range of elements is about 144.(Proton Packing ie Closest > sphere packing) --------------8BBBA55BC3504BB57D84D4B5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael S. Mitchell wrote:

There is no solids. If you understand what I am thinking about it is that all what is considered matter has radii, that confirms a volume on the end of it. Iron is just a lot of radii photons in micro geodesic great circle radii of smaller volumes of photons, atoms, ether dust made of radii, great circle precessional etc. ALL the volume that surrounds us is all radii of volumes of all diameters of other volumes of radii micro to macro. All sub atomic, electric, solar, to cosmic radii. Each radii is in motion making an area of swept like Kepler's second law of angular momentum where all the planets sweep out the same area in the pieces of pie inwhich they make going around the sun in the same amount of time. What I am saying is that an angstrom sweeps out the same area in the same time a lot of area. Thus if you add all the atomic radii at the end of any other primitive radii or
( gravitational gravitational) the electric radii adds the same area sweep out to the gravitatonal radii sweepout.

The area of the ( molecular ) radii sweep out for the earth and the moon will equal the area sweep out of the planets piece of pie around the sun in the same time.
Hence the unified field theory of unitivity.

Mark Somers wrote:

Michael, The earths core isn't exactly molten it's solid iron suspended in liquid iron. There is a recent discovery about the earth's core that I find interesting. I'll try looking it up. And please do the calculations. Plus I think Bucky mentioned that the upper most range of elements is about 144.(Proton Packing ie Closest sphere packing)

--------------8BBBA55BC3504BB57D84D4B5-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:19:30 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: [synergetics-l] Re: The universal volume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > Please keep this on a friendly basis. > A lab is any where at any volume. Volume does not have shape when it is > priciplic but it does have volume happening frequency. The universe is one > happening volumetric frequency in principle independent of size. This happening > includes meta and physa. > If this is not true then where does your idea of when it starts and finishes with > energetic and synergetic geometry around your head? It must be looked at outside > your head, period with awareness. It must be the volume that tools allow your > brain to obtain a radii that you are within, by experience. Your head is the > metaphysical 1/2 of the volume. > > Since when is selling a house for profit against synergetics or bucky. He > sold it to me for a profit, the highest bidder. > I do feel the bucky and anne's home is a historical site and should be sold > higher than the house next door. It is the only one they ever owned. I have the > abstract here on the boat. It was bought August16, 1960, Lot 78 in University > Place, subdivision of a part of OUT lot 110 and regular lots 539 and 540 of > Brewster's Second Addition to the City of Carbondale, Illinois. The abstract > states that the property was bought for taxes and consideration for 1 dollar to > Thomas and Anne Grey of West Frankfort Illinois where I am from. I am from West > Frankfort Illinois. This is a coal mining town and the dome is a carbon model, > bucky ball, 3 freq. icosa cap, in a town named after Carbon. > > The cost of the mechanic's lien by Ira E. Parish was $12,659.13 cents. > > Calling me names is very political of you, and I am surprised that you resort to > it. I do like clowns. When I bought the dome I through away a picture of a clown > drawn in crayon. Now that I think of it Bucky drew it. It was a master peice. > I will always regret that. > I do make many mistakes. > > I am piggy backing synergetics, yes. I would say adding to it. Working towards > streamlining it, renewing it, by experience only. With my new tools. Why don't > you try and think of something for yourself like I do? Bucky stated think for > yourself. > > I have new thoughts and new ideas, this is why Bucky liked me. He stated I > invented my own educational system and went on the road with him. I paid my own > way, with my onw money, with my house rents from the houses that were machines > that gave me a guaranteed income to do so. I gave very good deals. Many did not > like me for making it and I can not help that. I designed it this way so I could > understand him better and forget about the educational system that was at that > time being taught by William Perk and at that time Jay Baldwin just arrived to > help him. These are the people who have bad things to say about the dome all the > time. They had to stay and teach while I went on the road with him. Jay Baldwin > arrived in the Design Department in 1969 along with Medard gable. Ed Schlosberg > who married one of the Kennedys was my teacher ( substitute under Herb Roan now > deceased ) I had been working with bucky for two years and had been on stage > with him in New York at Vision 67 with Herb Roan when Jay arrived. . > I spoke right after him and he was on the front row, just as I was on the front > row to him for the next 16 years or so. I go back a long way so please keep > your insults to yourself. > > We all stand on the shoulders of giants, remember. > > I gave my unitivity paper to Bucky in 1967 way before he died and talked with him > about it. He stated as long as it has integrity he agrees. > He was/is for new thinking. > As far as was I a friend of Bucky's. I was a very good friend of Bucky and > Anne's. > I just received a card from Medard gable and his family. You can ask him I think > he would go as far as to say I was one of his best friends, especially on the > road. The last time I saw him ans Anne they were walking with Jamie along the > hall of the convention center I had just finished rolling and packing the big > map. He said, " I haev been looking all over for you, I said, to Anne you have > the most wonderful smile, Bucky stated You know how much I love you and I said, " > it is equal"! and they turned and that was the last I saw of them. I traveled > and ate with both of them on the road many times. I traveled with him around > the world once and went to many colleges on the samecar or airplane. Many time > sdro9ve with him. Some people acted as if I wasn't invited at first. Then I > made an agreement that I would give him a copy of all the audio tapes that I made > and he would let me join him and go any where. I did and for 7 years I worked > very closely until Jamie took over the audio archiving and others of your EST > buds, I think one other was named Richard. I introduced Unitivity to bucky 10 > years before you were in EST and met him, you stated in 1977. I have plenty of > documents to support my relation ship of 16 years with him, while he was alive. > I did not make myself visible as much as possible, but many, many times we would > sneak out and have tea and ice cream together without anyone knowing. > Say what ever you wish, the truth is the truth. > The volume is not only physical because the radii of the unitivity volume is > measured from the center of your brain, that is where the metaphysical is > polarized with the mind this also has a minus 1440 degrees in it. IF you put > them together you will have a 720 degrees physical insideness and 720 > metaphysical outsideness and this equals the > > UNITIVITY 1440 DEGREES > > The minus 1440 degree tetrahedron is that large because it is hyperbolic. > The plus 1440 degree tetrahedron is parabolic > > if you subtract the minus from the plus you will get 1/2 way between para and > hyper bolic tetrahedrons. This is a regular tetrahedron and it has 720 inside > and 720 outside and equals 1440 degrees. This is a finite independent of size > view of the universe having relativity being 720 degrees difference at all times, > meaning that it is at minimum two always. > > Kirby Urner wrote: > > > At 01:21 PM 12/26/98 +0000, Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > > >Thank you for your opinion. > > > > > > > Any time. > > > > Kirby > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to synergetics-l as: syntrivity@earthlink.net > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-synergetics-l-20117O@telelists.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:51:27 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Subject: Re: Grand Strategy mind set Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Joe S Moore wrote: > Michael, > > Glad to see you finally figured out how to resubscribe to the Geodesic > newsletter! Now I finally made it back, I can see it, I can really see it! I had a pass word for netscape that I had trouble with, and was not registered, so now I registered and I hope they are not charging me for this. Is it free does it come with earthlink? I wrote EJAPPLE white and also the white house about the dome and received an e mail from the white house about making the dome a park.. The Clinton's may be interested for the first lady is from Illinois.We shall see. Alice Pushkar wrote me back stating All of us at the white house are excited about the progress made with this historical property, and we look forward to future developments. Mrs. Clinton may write back soon? I am trying to get them to find a buyer and donor for the park in Carbondale. Then the president could come and dedicate it as a National monument to a great American. I also pointed out that I had a letter from the white house in 1986 from Anne Higgins who worked with President Regan. This gave me a little history to draw from as not just barging into the white house with an idea cold. The dome is over the years ( Bucky's home ) been communicated about becoming on the National register for years. Enough of that. DOME HYPE FOR ME TO SELL BUCKY'S home in Carbondale. But if anyone would like to buy it for 100K and donated it the President may very well be interested in dedicating it to share in the glory of the man who invented the word ecology or at least stated the use of it. Earth day was started by Bucky fans as well as ecology. I pointed out to E J Applewhite that the dome was a carbon C60 carbon model and in the town named Carbondale. This blows my little mind! His article on the Buckminsterfullerene was great with a capitol G!!!! thank you for your effort to get your site so comprehensive. How and where can you get those htl spots so close. Can I do that I have about a 100 photos that I just scaned that you could use some or maybe I could get my site on yours? If I am a good boy? The kid on your site from Tennessee has a real handle on things. I think I would like to come out with one that color as well, gray wall paper and green letters. Real classy. The more I think about the electric grand strategy, the more I think about it cannot become a reality until we all move off the land back to the water, after that I think it could be a reality. In our life time design is more of a priority than the whole world. Since no one is doing the whole world and everyone is doing in our life time design. This is to say that with a solar cell and a battery for 56 dollars every 4 years you can have 12 volts that will run almost every thing you use, long enough to be dymaxion about it. I know people that use this model to power their dingy back and forth to the boat to the main land. Also you can power your computer with a transformer inverter. I have a friend that makes water with his solar cells at sea as long as he wants. Another who has a 700 dollars wind mill that does the same. When there is no sun, there is wind, it seems. These ideas that some big airplane god is going to come down from the republicans and make domes or make a world electric system is a bit like saying all the world believes in santa claus. Now lets see if I can post this and I am back at cyber sea. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:19:46 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Subject: Re: Homes & Wind Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Joe S Moore wrote: > This is why a boat makes more sense to live in than a land derived habitat.Living on land makes one accumulate possessions, on sea it makes you get rid of them. Land has all the problems that you can have. Government, rent, isolation, forest fires, earth quakes, fortress cleaning, grass, rats, burglars, all the connections for bills, electricity, sewer, water, bills, more bills, for trees, etc. On the water you can take most any of these and pitch them. You can go any where in the world for free, by sale, and by engine you can at least go out to islands and get away from the anthrax, and civil wars that occur in LA very often. Earth Quakes are very much a non problem, with having your own electricity already. It is way more fun on the water any way. > Putting house designs in a windtunnel: The "HomeSaver Project" at the Idaho > National Engineering & Environmental Laboratory > > http://www.inel.gov/homesaver/index.html > > Joe S Moore > joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:11:26 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Subject: Re: essay test (?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 This book was Bucky's basic thinking out loud lecture that he had worked on his whole life from speaking engagements. If you would listen to all the transcriptions of this lectures that I taped you would find that this is the ultimate integration of them in print. When I first read it I thought this sounds like I have heard this before. IT was a very mysterious book when Kioshi came back to the office right after his death. He was the first one to enter his desk after his death, he found this book stacked with a note to be sure and take care of this book and finish it, if something happens to me. Ask Kioshi at Critical Path in Phili. Brian Hutchings wrote: > MESSAGE from ="List 14-DEC-1998 17:17 > On Sat, 12 Dec 1998, Brian Hutchings wrote: > Cosmography_? That was a good > book. > - - - - - > > <> Brian Hutchings 14-DEC-1998 17:50 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:56:16 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Sun sweep? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------268FEB5A810E663530B64C44" --------------268FEB5A810E663530B64C44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Somers wrote: > Michael, The earths core isn't exactly molten it's solid iron > suspended in liquid iron. There is a recent discovery about the > earth's core that I find interesting. I'll try looking it up. And > please do the calculations. Plus I think Bucky mentioned that the > upper most range of elements is about 144.(Proton Packing ie Closest > sphere packing) I don't know where to start to do the calculations. Say it takes light 8 minutes to get here from the sun. This is the radii from here to the sun that is sweeping out this area. The primitive area lets call it. Calculate it for 24 hours ( 1/ 364 of a circle ) and calculate the piece of pie shaped spherical outer cord triangle that the earth made with it's two center cords having a radii of 8 minutes the speed of light. This would be a very long piece of pie, center angle to skinny at the sun and wider when it gets to the earth. The earth goes 60,000 miles per hour around the sun. This adds the curve it made as it's orbit to the 8 minutes of light to get here center angles. This is 186,271 miles per second times 8 minutes. Then you have to convert to 24 hours that it sweeps out the piece of pie. This is going to be so many cubic miles in USA. Of course the KIWI is going to say metric is easier. OF course. But so get that area. Now take the mass of the earth from any atlas. Take a norm of the diameter of the 92 elements of the orbit of an electron. Take an angstrom for a H atom. Take the radii length of the electron orbit and discover the area it sweeps out in one circle of that radii length. Take this times the speed of light and multiply how mush area it sweeps out in 24 hours. Say it is the size of india or so. Then take the mass of the earth and multiply that by the mass of the electron and multiply to get the whole earth's area of the nano area sweep out and you will get the area of all the mass of the earth approximately that is sweep out with its nano omni area, sweep out aggregate for 24 hours. .This is tricky. But I have seen Bucky calculate with his paper back atlas stuff like this many times. Because the moon is added to the earth being it is also at the end of the primitive radii to the sun it's mass and nano area sweep out of it's elemental radii would have to be added to the earth's. You would also have to add the moon's sweep out of it's orbit which is 52 moons in a year and figure it out for 24 hours. Now you will have a ball park figure to match the area of all the earth's and the moon's area sweep out nano radii and the moons primitive sweep out. You would now have to add the spin of the earth at 1100 miles per hour, which is added to the radii sweep out aggregate. This of course would be 4,000 miles radii sweeping out at 1100 miles per hour for 24 hours. And the moon does not spin so this would all add to the area sweep out of the earth going 8 minutes around the sun then calculated for 24 hours. This should be the same area as the earth sweeps out around the sun. NOW IF YOU ARE OFF A LOT YOU CAN SAY THE DIFFERENCE IS THE SPINS OF THE ELECTRONS ADDING TO THE RADII FOR 24 HOURS. This is how I would try to go about it. I do not think anyone has ever calculated it before. I have looked for 30 years and have not found any thing close to this idea any where except with Kepler only of the planet level never on a light level. This is what I am getting at. I do not have the know how to calculate this yet. But I do have the intuition that it is true. There is a big discovery in this direction, I am sure. Angular conservation. All precession is anti- entropic. Hence Conservation of entropy. This is a unified field approach to understanding all processional events as volumes at the ends of radii, of all sizes, Opposite and equal reaction of the conservation of processional area sweep out. The second law of angular momentum of Kepler's, taken to light speed. I think this is a Nobel Prize to the first person who calculates it but please split it with me if it works. Thank you' for your time. Michael S. Mitchell I hope it helps something good happen. (c) Copy Right 1998 M.S. Mitchell --------------268FEB5A810E663530B64C44 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Mark Somers wrote:

Michael, The earths core isn't exactly molten it's solid iron suspended in liquid iron. There is a recent discovery about the earth's core that I find interesting. I'll try looking it up. And please do the calculations. Plus I think Bucky mentioned that the upper most range of elements is about 144.(Proton Packing ie Closest sphere packing)

I don't know where to start to do the calculations. Say it takes light 8 minutes to get here from the sun. This is the radii from here to the sun that is sweeping out this area. The primitive area lets call it. Calculate it for 24 hours ( 1/ 364 of a circle ) and calculate the piece of pie shaped spherical outer cord triangle that the earth made with it's two center cords having a radii of 8 minutes the speed of light. This would be a very long piece of pie, center angle to skinny at the sun and wider when it gets to the earth. The earth goes 60,000 miles per hour around the sun. This adds the curve it made as it's orbit to the 8 minutes of light to get here center angles. This is 186,271 miles per second times 8 minutes. Then you have to convert to 24 hours that it sweeps out the piece of pie. This is going to be so many cubic miles in USA. Of course the KIWI is going to say metric is easier. OF course. But so get that area.

Now take the mass of the earth from any atlas. Take a norm of the diameter of the 92 elements of the orbit of an electron. Take an angstrom for a H atom. Take the radii length of the electron orbit and discover the area it sweeps out in one circle of that radii length. Take this times the speed of light and multiply how mush area it sweeps out in 24 hours.
Say it is the size of india or so. Then take the mass of the earth and multiply that by the mass of the electron and multiply to get the whole earth's area of the nano area sweep out and you will get the area of all the mass of the earth approximately that is sweep out with its nano omni area, sweep out aggregate for 24 hours. .This is tricky. But I have seen Bucky calculate with his paper back atlas stuff like this many times.
Because the moon is added to the earth being it is also at the end of the primitive radii to the sun it's mass and nano area sweep out of it's elemental radii would have to be added to the earth's. You would also have to add the moon's sweep out of it's orbit which is 52 moons in a year and figure it out for 24 hours. Now you will have a ball park figure to match the area of all the earth's and the moon's area sweep out nano radii and the moons primitive sweep out. You would now have to add the spin of the earth at 1100 miles per hour, which is added to the radii sweep out aggregate. This of course would be 4,000 miles radii sweeping out at 1100 miles per hour for 24 hours. And the moon does not spin so this would all add to the area sweep out of the earth going 8 minutes around the sun then calculated for 24 hours. This should be the same area as the earth sweeps out around the sun. NOW IF YOU ARE OFF A LOT YOU CAN SAY THE DIFFERENCE IS THE SPINS OF THE ELECTRONS ADDING TO THE RADII FOR 24 HOURS. This is how I would try to go about it. I do not think anyone has ever calculated it before. I have looked for 30 years and have not found any thing close to this idea any where except with Kepler only of the planet level never on a light level.

This is what I am getting at. I do not have the know how to calculate this yet. But I do have the intuition that it is true. There is a big discovery in this direction, I am sure.
Angular conservation. All precession is anti- entropic. Hence Conservation of entropy.
This is a unified field approach to understanding all processional events as volumes at the ends of radii, of all sizes, Opposite and equal reaction of the conservation of processional area sweep out. The second law of angular momentum of Kepler's, taken to light speed.
I think this is a Nobel Prize to the first person who calculates it but please split it with me if it works.

Thank you'
for your time.
Michael S. Mitchell
I hope it helps something good happen.
(c) Copy Right 1998 M.S. Mitchell --------------268FEB5A810E663530B64C44-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 06:57:01 -0500 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Organization: SpaceshipEarth.com Subject: Countdown and Tradeshow Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's an update on the First Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity (July 12 -20, 2001) and the Annual Dwelling Machine Design and Trade Show (tm). There's lots to do, so please jump in and help. Thank you to the people that contacted me recently which encouraged me to put out this update. The overarching event covering the Annual Dwelling Machine Design and Trade Show (tm) is the Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity (July 12 - 20, 2001): The OFFICIAL EVENT OF THE THIRD MILLENNIUM (tm), which incorporates a very broad and deep philosophy, derived largely from the work of R. Buckminster Fuller. The Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity is being promoted as: Uniting Two Great Visions to Achieve Complete Physical Success for All Humanity to Create a Dynamic Synergy that will Overcome All Obstacles to that Goal. A Portal into History that will Guide us in Meeting the Challenges and Opportunities of the Twenty-First Century. The Official Event of the Third Millennium (tm). And: We will rally the spirit of humanity to it's highest potential and achieve a world of peace without poverty or want, and memorialize for posterity humanities greatest achievement. The Annual Countdown To Complete Physical success for All Humanity commemorates a series of historical events between July 12th and the 20th that are of literal and symbolic importance to the growth and development of humankind. They are A Portal Into History that Will Guide Us in Meeting the Challenges and Opportunities of the Twenty-First Century. The Countdown is dedicated to the memory of R. Buckminster Fuller (born July 12, 1895), and borrows heavily from his philosophy. Buckminster Fuller demonstrated that as a result of ever increasing efficiencies in technology, production of life-support resources was growing at a geometric rate along with population growth, and the Malthusian economic doctrine of scarcity was no longer valid. Based on his studies of socioeconomic trends, he predicted that humanity would be ready in every way to achieve complete life-support abundance for all humanity before the year 2000, and he dedicated his life to guiding human progress toward that end. Project Apollo is featured prominently in Buckminster Fuller's philosophy of achieving abundant life-support for all. The Countdown commemorates the first Apollo moon landing (July, 20, 1969), which widely inspired a 'can-do attitude' and the saying, 'If we can land a man on the moon, why can't we eliminate poverty, hunger, illiteracy and war.' Buckminster Fuller said that the spectacular advances in science and technology achieved by the Apollo space program was the crossing of an epochal threshold in humans ability to achieve physical success for all. In 1970, Fuller said that that humanity now had the ability to achieve life-support for all within a Design Science Decade of social and technological reorientation. Einstein's new world view also plays prominently in Buckminster Fuller's philosophy. The detonation of the first atomic bomb (July 16, 1945) symbolizes a barrier between the uniting of these two great visions (Buckminster Fuller and Project Apollo) and represents humans greatest challenge to survival. But it also offers our greatest opportunity for success. Every adversity brings with it an equal or greater opportunity. It is our Nuclear Age knowledge of physical reality that gives us the ability to achieve total transform of the human environment for the benefit of all, or for the destruction of all. As Buckminster Fuller said, we're in a race between Utopia and Oblivion. The Countdown incorporates these and the following events (plus others), all of which fall between July 12th and the 20th, and represent A Portal Into History that will Guide Us in Meeting the Challenges and Opportunities of the Twenty-First Century. July 14, 1949, USSR explodes their 1st atomic bomb putting the nuclear arms race into high gear. July 19, 1957, 1st rocket with nuclear warhead fired, Yucca Flat, Nevada. The nuclear arms race goes into overdrive leading to the Cold War Race in Space. July 18, 1955, 1st electric power generated from atomic energy sold commercially. It is an attempt to put our Nuclear Age knowledge to peaceful, life-supporting use. July 17 - 19, 1975, Apollo 18 & Soyuz 19 make 1st US/USSR linkup in space. The culmination of the Cold War race in space. The joint mission with the Soviet Union was the last Apollo mission. References to the above four events came from the following websites and are unverified. Scope System's Today in History: http://www.scopesys.com/today/ Daily Almanacs: http://shoga.wwa.com/~mjm/almanac2.html Plans for the First Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity (July 12 - 20, 2001) includes a Dwelling Machine Design and Trade Show, a Trade Show of Space Age Agriculture Technology, and other trade show events that will be announced at a later date. I want to turn this event over to a professional convention and trade show agency with experience and let them profit from their effort. Like Fuller, business and finance is not my strong point. I would prefer a global event rather than just one event with one agency responsible for overseeing the many regional events. Organizers for the countless array of millennial events will be looking for an encore. They can simply latch on and pull this event along behind their millennial events and keep the millennial fire burning. I don't know yet what agency that will be, but time is of the essence. My first priority is to find an agency to put together the main event in Austin, Texas, and then see if we can take the event global. Or, a nonprofit organization can be created devoted to this project. Perhaps a company could be hired on commission to set up and get this new venture running. There are many other events held during the middle of July. There is the Noetic Sciences conference, an inventions conference put on by the Tesla Society, the World Future Society conference, and there are probably many space society events commemorating the first landing on the moon (Moon Day, July 20). Some of these events may be interested in incorporating the Countdown into their event. But these events are planed long in advance, so time is of the essence. Like most of my work, my focus on dwelling machines is of a humanitarian, philosophical, educational, visionary and inspirational nature, more than an engineering one. I've developed many ideas that can contribute to creating an interesting and fun dwelling machine website, and jump-start a new industry. All of the trade shows will be internet based year round, with annual and periodic events spaced around the world. The larger issue for the first Annual Dwelling Machine Design and Trade Show (tm) is getting sponsors to build a dwelling machine prototype to display, and ultimately putting them into mass production. Should that fail, a mock-up will suffice. If that fails, designs and models may be displayed, papers and speakers presented and discussion groups created. A worst case scenario would be a solely internet based conference and design show on dwelling machines. If you'd like to see this annual event succeed then you are urged to participate. Jump in and help jump-start a new housing industry that will benefit all humankind. The creation of a resource efficient 'dwelling machine' industry is absolutely necessary to meet the growing need for housing and energy, halt the growing humanitarian and environmental crisis, and achieve an ecologically sustainable society. There's no website yet, but a little background information can be obtained by reviewing these postings from the GEODESIC newsgroup archives. The Spaceship Earth Race: Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity: http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9809&L=geodesic&P=R11067 The Official Event of the Third Millennium (tm): http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9810&L=geodesic&P=R5474 Call me trimtab: Buckminster Fuller Biography: http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811&L=geodesic&P=R408 Design Science Revolution 101 (Dwelling Machines): http://LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9811&L=geodesic&P=R9103 OFFICIAL EVENT OF THE THIRD MILLENNIUM is the trademark/servicemark of the Annual Countdown to Complete Physical Success for All Humanity and ThirdMillennium.org. DWELLING MACHINE DESIGN AND TRADE SHOW is the trademark/servicemark of DwellingMachines.com. For the Benefit of All Humanity! Spaceship Earth mail@SpaceshipEarth.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:13:59 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: FW: NEW URL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe S Moore joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Rader [mailto:michael@dnaco.net] > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 1998 8:42 AM > To: Joe S Moore > Subject: Re: NEW URL > > On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:12:17 -0700 Joe S Moore > wrote: > > > Michael, > > > > The new address for the BFVI is below: > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe > > > > Joe S Moore joemoore@cruzio.com > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > > > Thanks, Joe. I am finally getting the time to update the pages. > Take care. > > Cheers, > > Michael > ------------------------------------------------------ > Michael Rader > michael@dnaco.net > "Geodesic Domes - Structures and Homes" page - > "http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/domes/" > "If it isn't a dome, it's not a home" > ------------------------------------------------------ > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:31:59 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: US MAIL Comments: To: Foerd Ames In-Reply-To: <01be315f$784e63d0$2cd5b7c7@waves> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BE31A5.A9B181A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BE31A5.A9B181A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr Ames, Thank you. I'm forwarding a copy of this info to the Geodesic newsgroup which has about 8,000 readers worldwide. [http://www.owec.com] Joe S Moore joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ -----Original Message----- From: Foerd Ames [mailto:foerd@owec.com] Sent: Saturday, December 26, 1998 10:10 PM To: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: US MAIL Foerd Ames Ocean Wave Energy Company 20 Burnside Street Bristol, RI 02809 USA ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BE31A5.A9B181A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mr=20 Ames,

Thank=20 you. I'm forwarding a copy of this info to the Geodesic newsgroup which = has=20 about 8,000 readers worldwide. [http://www.owec.com]

Joe S Moore =
joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual = Institute=20
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

-----Original Message-----
From: Foerd Ames=20 [mailto:foerd@owec.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 1998 = 10:10=20 PM
To: Joe S Moore
Subject: Re: US=20 MAIL

Foerd Ames

Ocean Wave Energy Company

20 Burnside Street

Bristol, RI 02809

USA

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BE31A5.A9B181A0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:33:56 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: primordial ooze theory <> Brian Hutchings 27-DEC-1998 15:33 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us boy, will I be happy when I can configure a way to get rid of the HTML-ized fluff of a second "version" of plain, ol'text. as for the run-on typemasters, there's nothing that I can do about that! mister Mitchell, you are in the correct ballpark, Kepler's, for your ideal of Unitivity --get the 2 issues of *21st C.Science and Tech.*, with the new categorization of *all* of the planets & moons-- BUT you seem to be blindfolded, as to where to aim the bat, or to hold the glove (I can't decide, which .-) I guess, this has to do with your self-identification as a Bucky-groupy, which basically turns the *format* of Bucky's extemoraneous muse, into liquid crappola; to wit, there is not even a *hint* of a hypothesis, let alon of a "crucial experiment" to test it out, re Analtivity! as for building a boat & just leaving, it certainly has its proponents among the Earthday Yahoo!s, back at Hole Urth, if not practitioners -- I don't count "Sausolito Houseboat Kulture", either -- but it is really as fungible as a pi-dollar bill, or vacating Earth in *favor* of Just Space. still, it is tempting! as for mister Millennial Gladness, using the Apollo (Moon Day) Countdown is good, as long as we avoid the "metrical" associations of the Big Odometer Problem (or Greenwich MEAN Time or Universal Time or Big Ben Empirical Tock); unfortunately, your "apolitical" approach is typical of Bucky's blowhard attitude re "speculative history", "education automation" and so on. --The Duke of Oil http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:27:35 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Belt Subject: Re: US MAIL In-Reply-To: <001601be31e8$b7d4c1a0$9c08fbcf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Joe, Keep up all the helpful posts and forwards and have checked those as well as your excellent web page information. But Hey now, :-), should we be saying "worldwide" on a Fuller realted list or worldaround :>? Hope you have had a wonderful holiday season and best for the new year. Thanks again. john .......................................................................... John Belt, Design Faculty Studio Phone: 315-341-2867 / voice mail Department of Technology Office Phone: 315-341-2868 Oswego State University DEPT FAX-Attn/jb 315-341-3363 Oswego, New York 13126 Home Phone: 315-342-2280 .......................................................................... On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Joe S Moore wrote: > Mr Ames, > > Thank you. I'm forwarding a copy of this info to the Geodesic newsgroup > which has about 8,000 readers worldwide. [http://www.owec.com] > > > Joe S Moore > joemoore@cruzio.com > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:01:50 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: primordial ooze theory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am sorry Brian Hutchings I accidentally put your last sent message in the trash by accident. I was trying to delete some in the message but forgot to take it to composition first. I keep losing all my ideas in cyber space. Now I know what space means some place to lose something. I was talking with a great computer programer socialite today and states there will be a run on the banks for the 2K bug only because some people believe it. This means they are printing extra money to get ready for it. This could bring the idea of banking to a halt for a while and yes he is leaving on his sail boat till it is over. I am only and average groupie with a long gestation rate for I have never known anything else but Bucky, I grew out right next door and never knew the difference. Help me find a donor for the dome and I will give you 4 % if you are interested. As far as this theory, I think it has more validity than Santa, maybe. OOZE on to a world round web not a world wide web as these flat landers say. Thank you for your kind and generous amusment acknowledgments, kindly. Faithfully, Your friend: Michael S. Mitchell ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:03:44 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: Primordial ooze MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE31CB.A014EA80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE31CB.A014EA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's unfortunate you lost Unky Brian's last message, Micheal, because he = so eloquently (Sick) made some important points.=20 1.) No hypothesis. 2.) No testable theory. I was fishing for a testable theory, myself, but my undrestanding of = Fullereese sucks big time. Plus the idea that everything in the universe = orbits the same is incorrect ie there are stars that orbit their = galactic centers at the same speed no matter how far from their orbital = centers they are. As a matter of fact that discovery led indirectly to = the discovery of C60 (Bucky balls) see Mr. Kroto. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE31CB.A014EA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's unfortunate you lost Unky = Brian's last=20 message, Micheal, because he so eloquently (Sick) made some important = points.=20

1.) No hypothesis.

2.) No testable theory.

I was fishing for a testable theory, myself, but my=20 undrestanding of Fullereese sucks big time. Plus the idea that = everything in the=20 universe orbits the same is incorrect ie there are stars that orbit = their=20 galactic centers at the same speed no matter how far from their orbital = centers=20 they are. As a matter of fact that discovery led indirectly to the = discovery of=20 C60 (Bucky balls) see Mr. Kroto.

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE31CB.A014EA80-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:19:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: Now for something a little more tangible. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE31CD.D81EB3A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE31CD.D81EB3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few years ago I was informed by (I think it was Russel Chu) that there = was some one doing some calculations involving quarks and their = relationships to A and B Quanta modules. My theory is that they appear = from nowhere as in they are energy events (There I said it) created from = the interference of photons ( Interference pattern ) Given the sizes = involved these would be extremely high energy photons interacting. = Higher frequency=3DHigher energy, ie X-rays are much more energetic than = radio waves. And Quark building photons would much more energetic than = even X-rays (A hell of a lot more enegetic). Virtual particles have been hypothisized recently ( They appear from = nowhere ), in astrophysics cicles. And there is no nuclear force. Oops that'll get Unky Brians attention. = And there is no such thing as the Hiesenberg principle only a mis = understanding. Because of a loosey cubic based coordinate system. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE31CD.D81EB3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A few years ago I was informed by (I = think it=20 was Russel Chu) that there was some one doing some calculations = involving quarks=20 and their relationships to A and B Quanta modules. My theory is that = they appear=20 from nowhere as in they are energy events (There I said it) created from = the=20 interference of photons ( Interference pattern ) Given the sizes = involved these=20 would be extremely high energy photons interacting. Higher = frequency=3DHigher=20 energy, ie X-rays are much more energetic than radio waves. And Quark = building=20 photons would much more energetic than even X-rays (A hell of a lot more = enegetic).

Virtual particles have been = hypothisized=20 recently ( They appear from nowhere ), in astrophysics = cicles.

And there is no nuclear force. Oops = that'll get=20 Unky Brians attention. And there is no such thing as the Hiesenberg = principle=20 only a mis understanding. Because of a loosey cubic based coordinate=20 system.

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE31CD.D81EB3A0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:46:28 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Primordial ooze MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7DD925701AB9419B3BA027BA" --------------7DD925701AB9419B3BA027BA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no I sent him a letter thanking him. Do not fret I know what I am talking about. This does not say anything about the same speed it is the same area of sweep out like the 2nd law of Kepler's. I know what I am talking about and to hell with what ever. All bodies are in motion and light is not constant, the only constant is the area of radii sweep out due to inertia conservation of energy. You watch, something will come of this some day. Just because some one says no doesn't mean he isn't writing his paper on it now. At least it is recorded with this sent message if he is. Very much has been experimented to show what I am saying mainly with mercury and it's processional orbit as well as all the planet are already proven to sweep out the same area in the same time. There is a point where area is sweep out equal with the light speed of the elements that make a mass precess around another. All the formulas now do not know how to put gravitation in with the rest of them. This can do it. If everything gravitates then every thing is in acceleration. This is still the main wall of physics. What I am saying is that every thing precesses at different size circles depending on it's relativity with everything else. This explains the process of all masses reacting with one another on all size events. Masses are not masses they are orbital precessing volumes that are dependent on each other do to there precesssion. Thus there area is constant as far as one factor, area sweep out.. no one has taken this to the diameter of an electron level yet. I do not have the credentials but I have the idea and I know it is there. General Relativity states that objects follow the shortest geodesics with out any external force. If you read Berry Mingst you will find that all this gravity and electrical theories are not provable. Geometry is the way to the proof of energy conservation. It makes no difference if it is solid liquid or gas or any thing, it is precessing volumes of other volumes of what ever you want to call it. The simple idea is many times the hardest to get across. Like a tetrahedron can be with it's volume as unit. This is hard for many to get sometimes. The planets sweep out the same area in the same time. I bet the electrons do to in each mass that is at the end of each sweep out but at light speed. Say a ball sweeps out the area of 1 square foot in one sec. The ball may sweep out in it's radii of the little ball 1 million miles of electron area within it. That doesn't seem to make sense until you add the earth and the moon to the ball all being at the end of one big string connected to the sun that is sweeping out the little balls 1 million miles of electron in one second and the one foot and the whole earth and the moon and the moon's string and bingo it may be the same as the string that goes to the suns center sweep out in one second. This is what I am talking about. If it doesn't work there is at some point that it will be even and this would be the place to look for. It is not that hard I have sent messages to 3 others that work on GR. General Relativity. The great thing about the net is you can prove you talked to them latter. Check out on the net Kepler's 2nd law of angular mometum and go to the 92 hit. You will read they have know idea what is happening they get paid to act smart. Mark Somers wrote: > It's unfortunate you lost Unky Brian's last message, Micheal, because > he so eloquently (Sick) made some important points. 1.) No > hypothesis. 2.) No testable theory. I was fishing for a testable > theory, myself, but my undrestanding of Fullereese sucks big time. > Plus the idea that everything in the universe orbits the same is > incorrect ie there are stars that orbit their galactic centers at the > same speed no matter how far from their orbital centers they are. As a > matter of fact that discovery led indirectly to the discovery of C60 > (Bucky balls) see Mr. Kroto. --------------7DD925701AB9419B3BA027BA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no I sent him a letter thanking him. Do not fret I know what I am talking about.
This does not say anything about the same speed it is the same area of sweep out like the 2nd law of Kepler's. I know what I am talking about and to hell with what ever.

All bodies are in motion and light is not constant, the only constant is the area of radii sweep out due to inertia conservation of energy. You watch, something will come of this some day. Just because some one says no doesn't mean he isn't writing his paper on it now. At least it is recorded with this sent message if he is. Very much has been experimented to show what I am saying mainly with mercury and it's processional orbit as well as all the planet are already proven to sweep out the same area in the same time. There is a point where area is sweep out equal with the light speed of the elements that make a mass precess around another. All the formulas now do not know how to put gravitation in with the rest of them. This can do it. If everything gravitates then every thing is in acceleration. This is still the main wall of physics. What I am saying is that every thing precesses at different size circles depending on it's relativity with everything else. This explains the process of all masses reacting with one another on all size events. Masses are not masses they are orbital precessing volumes that are dependent on each other do to there precesssion. Thus there area is constant as far as one factor, area sweep out.. no one has taken this to the diameter of an electron level yet. I do not have the credentials but I have the idea and I know it is there. General Relativity states that objects follow the shortest geodesics with out any external force.
If you read Berry Mingst you will find that all this gravity and electrical theories are not provable. Geometry is the way to the proof of energy conservation. It makes no difference if it is solid liquid or gas or any thing, it is precessing volumes of other volumes of what ever you want to call it. The simple idea is many times the hardest to get across. Like a tetrahedron can be with it's volume as unit. This is hard for many to get sometimes. The planets sweep out the same area in the same time. I bet the electrons do to in each mass that is at the end of each sweep out but at light speed.

Say a ball sweeps out the area of 1 square foot in one sec. The ball may sweep out in it's radii of the little ball 1 million miles of electron area within it. That doesn't seem to make sense until you add the earth and the moon to the ball all being at the end of one big string connected to the sun that is sweeping out the little balls 1 million miles of electron in one second and the one foot and the whole earth and the moon and the moon's string and bingo it may be the same as the string that goes to the suns center sweep out in one second. This is what I am talking about. If it doesn't work there is at some point that it will be even and this would be the place to look for. It is not that hard I have sent messages to 3 others that work on GR. General Relativity. The great thing about the net is you can prove you talked to them latter.
Check out on the net Kepler's 2nd law of angular mometum and go to the 92 hit.
You will read they have know idea what is happening they get paid to act smart.
Mark Somers wrote:

It's unfortunate you lost Unky Brian's last message, Micheal, because he so eloquently (Sick) made some important points. 1.) No hypothesis. 2.) No testable theory. I was fishing for a testable theory, myself, but my undrestanding of Fullereese sucks big time. Plus the idea that everything in the universe orbits the same is incorrect ie there are stars that orbit their galactic centers at the same speed no matter how far from their orbital centers they are. As a matter of fact that discovery led indirectly to the discovery of C60 (Bucky balls) see Mr. Kroto.

--------------7DD925701AB9419B3BA027BA-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:01:42 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Primordial ooze MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8D5F75A22BB80D98D3817231" --------------8D5F75A22BB80D98D3817231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian is not sick the world is sick and we have to try and help.! I know Kroto, he thinks a tetra hedron is a cage. I hope he studies a little more. I have to get one beer tonight to sleep after that last NASA guy stating he has no idea what i am talking about. They said the same about bucky for 75 years and look now, we all have a way to show everyone how stupid they are to kill each other and lie an steal and make life a mess. Thank god for the computer. See ya! Mark Somers wrote: > It's unfortunate you lost Unky Brian's last message, Micheal, because > he so eloquently (Sick) made some important points. 1.) No > hypothesis. 2.) No testable theory. I was fishing for a testable > theory, myself, but my undrestanding of Fullereese sucks big time. > Plus the idea that everything in the universe orbits the same is > incorrect ie there are stars that orbit their galactic centers at the > same speed no matter how far from their orbital centers they are. As a > matter of fact that discovery led indirectly to the discovery of C60 > (Bucky balls) see Mr. Kroto. --------------8D5F75A22BB80D98D3817231 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian is not sick the world is sick and we have to try and help.!
I know Kroto, he thinks a tetra hedron is a cage.
I hope he studies a little more.
I have to get one beer tonight to sleep after that last NASA guy stating he has no idea what i am talking about. They said the same about bucky for 75 years and look now, we all have a way to show everyone how stupid they are to kill each other and lie an steal and make life a mess. Thank god for the computer. See ya!

Mark Somers wrote:

It's unfortunate you lost Unky Brian's last message, Micheal, because he so eloquently (Sick) made some important points. 1.) No hypothesis. 2.) No testable theory. I was fishing for a testable theory, myself, but my undrestanding of Fullereese sucks big time. Plus the idea that everything in the universe orbits the same is incorrect ie there are stars that orbit their galactic centers at the same speed no matter how far from their orbital centers they are. As a matter of fact that discovery led indirectly to the discovery of C60 (Bucky balls) see Mr. Kroto.

--------------8D5F75A22BB80D98D3817231-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:28:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: Pink flamigo sacrificed for windows. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE3201.56CA30C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE3201.56CA30C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know how you feel Micheal, I couldn't find a virgin around here for an = old fashioned soltice sacrifice, ( Not even in the local farm yards) so = instead I carried out the ritual with a plastic pink flamingo, a girl = sent me, it didn't help my computer any though.=20 Bill Gates made billions creating crappy software. The only consulation = is that he was virgin untill he got married at the age of about 40, some = couple of years ago. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE3201.56CA30C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I know how you feel Micheal, I = couldn't find a=20 virgin around here for an old fashioned soltice sacrifice, ( Not even in = the=20 local farm yards) so instead I carried out the ritual with a plastic = pink=20 flamingo, a girl sent me, it didn't help my computer any though. =

Bill Gates made billions creating = crappy=20 software. The only consulation is that he was virgin untill he got = married at=20 the age of about 40, some couple of years = ago.

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE3201.56CA30C0-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:02:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: Happy New Year!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE3273.1B653D00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE3273.1B653D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy New Year Suzi!!!!=20 How's it going Suz? How was your Christmas?=20 I hope you have a good New Year. Mark ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE3273.1B653D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Happy New Year Suzi!!!! =

How's it going Suz? How was your = Christmas?=20

I hope you have a good New = Year.

Mark

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE3273.1B653D00-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:57:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: Quarks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE3237.BBA20460" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE3237.BBA20460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable O.K. so the A and B Quanta modules as quarks isn't entirely my idea .... = er ... um well not even partially my idea ... ok so I read it some = where. .. .....=20 The plastic pink flamingo's as windows95 solitice sacrifice is my idea. = So when someone works out the mathematics for it then they'll recieve = the Nobel Prize. in ah ah .. 'Literature' yea that's it ... that's the = ticket. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE3237.BBA20460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

O.K. so the A and B Quanta modules = as quarks=20 isn't entirely my idea .... er ... um well not even partially my idea = ... ok so=20 I read it some where. .. .....

The plastic pink flamingo's as = windows95=20 solitice sacrifice is my idea. So when someone works out the = mathematics=20 for it then they'll recieve the Nobel Prize. in ah ah .. 'Literature' = yea that's=20 it ... that's the ticket.

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE3237.BBA20460-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:04:58 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: miscellany! <> Brian Hutchings 28-DEC-1998 10:04 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us >tonight at 7, >we're having a Town Meeting on why "Al Gore has got to go!", >given by the keynoter, Anton Chaitkin, >who is our lead historian [*]. "Gore started his career >as a police spy for an FBI-led task force, >arranging wire taps & radio transmissions >to frame-up a Black political leader in Nashville", and more! > >Ramada Hotel, Catalina Room >7272 Gage Avenue, Commerce >(take Slauson exit off #5 Freeway). > >* including "contemporary history", as co-author >with Webster Tarpley of _The Unauthorized Bio.of George Bush_, >http://www.tarpley.net/bushintro.htm >http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm >http://www.tarpley.net/bushjfk.htm >and so on. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:41:04 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Primordial Ooze <> Brian Hutchings 28-DEC-1998 10:41 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us In the beginning their due precession? nephy Mike, no-one could possibly prove or dysprove *any* use or misuse of your "theory", using Deja News or any other psychic implimentation!... I mean, you can pile ten-thousand buzzwords in a heap, or regurgitate undigested Buckyisms but, So, what? Kepler's characteristic of the *proportionality* of the sweep-out and period with the orbital size is something, that is usually swept under the rug of Newton's (stolen) algebraization of it, although it is tons better to use the "classical" proofs, I believe (have I actually *done* any?... good question !-) further, Kepler had already presaged the nongravitational aspect, viz magnetism as then comprehended a bit by taht British guy (_De Magnete_) -- but Newton, Einstein and on "down" to Hawking insist upon ignoring all but gravity (hence what Mark said about, I guess, "dark matter", as an ad hoc device to Save The Theory .-) Bucky hisself is neither here nor there, to whom "hypothesis non fingo" is better applied than the kook, Newton, in a good sense -- although "tetrahedral turnbuckles" are very potentially painful! thus quoth: orbits the same is incorrect ie there are stars that orbit their = galactic centers at the same speed no matter how far from their orbital = centers they are. As a matter of fact that discovery led indirectly to = --Impeach Sir George, Now! http://www.tarpley.net/bushjfk.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 04:25:19 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: Yep, Dark matter. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE32E3.3E53D900" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE32E3.3E53D900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dr. Kroto's search for the composition of dark matter was what I was = alluding to.=20 OK, here's something that I've pondered for a while. A physists once = pointed out to me that the melting and or flowing temperature ranges of = alloys couldn't be predicted by mathematics. I'm curious if there is = some way to predict the said temperature ranges using a synergetics = approach. If so I think therein lies your Nobel prize?=20 If I'm not mistaken there have been no predictions put forth using a = synergetic approach. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE32E3.3E53D900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dr. Kroto's search for the = composition of dark=20 matter was what I was alluding to.

OK, here's something that I've = pondered for a=20 while. A physists once pointed out to me that the melting and or flowing = temperature ranges of alloys couldn't be predicted by mathematics. I'm = curious=20 if there is some way to predict the said temperature ranges using a = synergetics=20 approach. If so I think therein lies your Nobel prize?

If I'm not mistaken there have been = no=20 predictions put forth using a synergetic = approach.

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE32E3.3E53D900-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:02:33 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: TriWeave Tennis Racket Comments: To: patswan@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <19981229174840.JEWY10108@mobeus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert, On October 4 and again on about Nov 30, 1986, Payless Drug Stores (now called Rite Aid) ran ads in Northern California for an "Omega Racquetball Racquet" for about $20-22 (regular $26.99). It was described as "Graphite composite featuring the Mad.Rag. stringing system. 1 year warranty." They apparently were withdrawn from the market sometime in 1987. My fax # is 831-479-9020. Joe S Moore joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Patricia Swan [mailto:patswan@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 9:54 AM > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Subject: TriWeave Tennis Racket > > Mr. Moore, > > I was browsing the Bucky Fuller pages the other day and came across your > RBF Virtual Institute where the TriWeave Tennis Racket caught my > eye. What > can you tell me about the history or development of this design? Are they > on the market? > > Do you have a Fax number? I'd like to send you something. > > Robert Chester > Tumwater, WA > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:38:03 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: UNITIVITY (c) Copy Right 1998 MICHAEL S. MITCHELL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D6C895DB2BE9597E31C9E364" --------------D6C895DB2BE9597E31C9E364 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > March 10, Dec. 1973 > Buckminster Fuller thinking our loud to the Harvard law School Forum > Start with the whole! > > I am going to ask questions and you all tell me what you think is the > definition, if you wish to participate. > > 1. The word geometry means geo=earth metry= measure > This was a word that was used and came out of early architecture > and was considered an art not a science. > The word science or; setting in order the facts of experience came > in after this latter with Edington. > > My idea is that this word is to old. Because to confine our main > idea of measurement to the earth is to over specialized. > Volumetry is better. Why because because all measure meant is > done on moving real events that have no bearing to the earth as the > center of them. To measure everything from the perspective that you > are on earth is becoming harder and harder, because we live in a bunch > of circles and ellipses of all sizes micro to macro and this all > happens in one volume that we call names of different sorts. The idea > is to get a name for this volume that does not degrade all the > others. Since all events are relatively in motion and are over > lapping non simultaneous events I call this whole physical and > metaphysical volumetric mind principlic event Unitivity. > No one gets mad, no one seems to not understand it. It is a volume > that all experiments are eternally with in and always will be. > I am a unitivitist and feel that deparmentalism of the volume should > always be considered a reluctant necessity but always return to the > fact that we are all equal in this volume and we are all relative to > this volume equally and that we can all still go to any religion on > earth and have respect for this volume as well. It is not static, it > seems to go the speed of light , but out of all the facts today you > may read in "A CRITICAL LOOK AT THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY" library of > Congress Cat. #77-670044, F.K. Preikschat who compiled all known light > velocity measurements during the past 300 years or so, from Olaf > Roemer in 1676 to the Laser Measurements conducted by the National > Bureau of Standards (USA) in 1972. Of the 27 experiments undertaken in > this field, 18 of them after the turn of the century, it must be > concluded that the velocity of light as measured within the reference > system of our Earth has changed as much as Puls/Minus 50 KM/Sec during > the past century. Preikschat plotted a curve of these deviations and > suggests a possible relationship between sun spot activities and > changes of the earths magnetic field during the time period in > question. Light speed is on shaky volume and the earth could be > changing orbit enough to cause this change in it's precessional > relationship to the sun to change the speed of the measurement in my > idea of angular momentum being taken to the electromagnetic level. > Precession is what causes gravity, like a tip that stays vertical. It > also attract more when in motion. Inertia is always at 90 degrees in > all events, this turns into circles and they have imagined radii that > are really angular momentum relative states of motion. You are on a > planet the planet is going around the sun, the sun is going around > some other origin of radii that is moving, and that has as well and so > on. All events are immersed in all angular motionary relationships of > all others. When they are tools for us to use they are still globs of > light in circles. Particles no matter what size are volumes of > angular solar system like events. If the planets sweep out the same > area in the same time this is the most powerful apprehended fact in my > mind that we have discovered and this taken to the minuet level will > allow us to stop all this BS about paying people to argue over it and > get on with it already. If you spend money and find the area of sweep > out of the earths so called volume of light that makes it and the moon > as well and add there primitive radii and the spin, which would show a > exponential rate of sweep out this will in my mind be the same as that > of not only our planet but that of all the ones in our solar system. > Just because a galaxy goes at the same speed and has a longer radii > that does not mean that it does not make that additional need of area > sweep out in the forces that are within it. We are only here because > of the need for inertia to make areas equal in sweep out, it is the > duty of energy to balance this force conservation everywhere, this is > unitivity. When you tell the truth you also equal your balance with > this one force in the unit volume that has only one event and one > radii with no frequency except one. The reason light changes speed is > that the balance of the areas must stay in balance with the whole. > Since everything is changing at the same time it is hard to tell > relatively if it does at all. My point is the word geometry is an old > word that means digging dirt to build with stone. This is not the > ideal way to measure orbital sequence of angular momentum on the > microscopic level, an angstrom is 1 million of an inch. The is not > geometry this low tide sub division of unitivity. It is division of > the whole to study the whole through a narrow principlic view to find > tools to make it easier for us to live better on the sphere of light > that we live on. We only search for tools to have a war on entropy of > human heart beats. This is what we should be focusing on how to make > new tools to allow more humans to live in comfort with the most heart > beats in Unitivity, the volume of eternal experimentally. I like bo's > word Universal Volume, but it does not have the action, it is more > Newtonian and empirical sounding. Unitivity means when relativity is > considered one event independent of size and time. It is a make > believe event, but it means it with out the baggage of the past. It > is a clean slated idea. Syntrivity is when some one attacks that idea > with another. They act of three events focused on becoming one. > Because all events are one for sure right. We just break them apart to > see them. This is division, and then when division is relative this > is multiplication. There is only one volume around us, universe or > god all has the pasts baggage with it. When a child comes in the > world it is bombarded with what to call it. I think we should make > this unitivity, because it takes the bias out of it all and the child > can then do what it wants. It can study all the prophets and all the > scientist and everyone can hype them but they can always say well > until I decide I am in this one volume and I will decide when I want. > This volume has all these tools and forces and it is better that I > always return to the whole and integrate and unite everything always > into one idea set of a whole generalized attitudes for education which > I call the unitific method,. A word for always become comprehensive > not decisive. A person who is not unitific will say I do not > understand it is out of my scope, like the guy did to my idea > yesterday. You have heard it a million times. One world working > together, this is out of my scope of specialties. Kirby states these > very well, that society must integrate the caring sweep of the world. > Spend money on peace not war. All the money spent on war could make > the world work in one year. > When you are in a relationship with other forces these are syntrific > forces. It is always you and the universe to use the old word and > when you have to divide your involvement with other forces they are > always you them and it. If another one comes in it is the same. 3 > forces that you try to put together which makes a tetrahedronal action > when solved and this becomes one with the universe and is solved. No > longer a problem for a while. Unitivity is the mind force of the > whole volume of life that surrounds us, and it has a way of it's own. > You may go with it or against it. The one who works with it the most > makes more truth and love in the world. The one that is selfish and > goes out of the way to go against the integrity of the universe action > of unitivity will be angularily momentumed into a different frequency > of area sweep out. It is balanced but the balance is always in motion > because we are relative to it and with in it. The big scare coming is > stop war and measure the orbit of the earth around the sun it is > getting 8 seconds longer each year and we may fly off at any moment. > We need to spend some time and watch this not that we could do > anything about it. Meteors could his us, etc. But for gods sake, why > have war, after war, after war. haven't we put enough people in hell > here on earth dead and alive already. > > A paper by Prof. Joseph H. Hamilton, vanderbilt Univ. Nashville, TN. > "IS THE VACUUM REALLY EMPTY?" > > The author states, " The vacuum is the lowest stable state that a > region of space can have, > WHILE BEING PENETRATED BY CERTAIN FIELDS". > > Because of the tremendous time lags in our educational system, no one > will hear about this in schools for > years, you bet. > > If we are going to bring about a new way of thinking we have to throw > away the past or let it be. > We need new tools to think with and to redefine our way into the > future. Unitivity is a tool that i use. > I like it very much. When I go to parties and they ask me what I am, > I tell them I am a unitivitist. > > Someone who unites everything all the time in to one on going event > ordered in the most economical way by experience to make it ever more > propitious for humanities success and myself included relatively . I > am the only unitivitist in the world and you can do what ever you > want. I am proud to be a unitivitist. It is much shorter than > comprehensive anticipatorial design scientist. It is my individual > word for what a comprehensive anticipatorial design scientist becomes, > sort of a world game level of the individual. A Unitivitist is a > world man and has no race, class, or country. A unitivitist will work > with all persons and countries on an equal bases, if they have > integrity they will be treated so. If you want to use the word it is > your business and I respect that. It is not a religion, it is a method > of unifying experince with relative events. A unitivitist always > uses the most dymaxion possible design within possible access, and > lives only to help the whole as the main goal of living. Is passive > and works by design action only. Uses all the work of Buckminster > Fuller as a given over any other forms unless they are more truthful > for the moment. I have not found anything wrong with bucky's work and > I feel great to have known him. I feel very lucky to see how a man > with such a broken heart could do so much for so many. He was driven > by a force that I have never seen in any one else. I wish I had a > little of what he had, it would last me the rest of my life. The > duty to make humanity a success on the planet and knowing that he was > the only one in the world at the time he understood this duty that was > going to try and see if he could really do something to allow humanity > to become aware of this opportunity. He was the first world man on > earth, I feel this is a new specie on earth and I call it the dawning > of the space age apes. The world man. > The big thing missing in making synergetics possible on a mass level > is its lack of simplicity as a whole. The unitivity volume makes it > in my mind something to put all the divisions within. I may be nieve > to think so, but there it is. > Tease me if you want' > Love to all. > > See ya! > > Mickey --------------D6C895DB2BE9597E31C9E364 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Michael S. Mitchell wrote:

March 10, Dec. 1973
Buckminster Fuller thinking our loud to the Harvard law School Forum
Start with the whole!
I am going to ask questions and you all tell me what you think is the definition, if you wish to participate.
1. The word geometry means geo=earth metry= measure
     This was a word that was used and came out of early architecture and was considered an art not a science.
    The word science or; setting in order the facts of experience came in after this latter with Edington.
    My idea is that this word is to old. Because to confine our main idea of measurement to the earth is to over specialized.
    Volumetry is better. Why because because all measure meant is done on moving real events that have no bearing to the earth as the center of them. To measure everything from the perspective that you are on earth is becoming harder and harder, because we live in a bunch of circles and ellipses of all sizes micro to macro and this all happens in one volume that we call names of different sorts. The idea is to get a name for this volume that does not degrade all the others. Since all events are relatively in motion and are over lapping non simultaneous events I call this whole physical and metaphysical volumetric mind principlic event Unitivity.
No one gets mad, no one seems to not understand it. It is a volume that all experiments are eternally with in and always will be.
I am a unitivitist and feel that deparmentalism of the volume should always be considered a reluctant necessity but always return to the fact that we are all equal in this volume and we are all relative to this volume equally and that we can all still go to any religion on earth and have respect for this volume as well. It is not static, it seems to go the speed of light , but out of all the facts today you may read in "A CRITICAL LOOK AT THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY" library of Congress Cat. #77-670044, F.K. Preikschat who compiled all known light velocity measurements during the past 300 years or so, from Olaf Roemer in 1676 to the Laser Measurements conducted by the National Bureau of Standards (USA) in 1972. Of the 27 experiments undertaken in this field, 18 of them after the turn of the century, it must be concluded that the velocity of light as measured within the reference system of our Earth has changed as much as Puls/Minus 50 KM/Sec during the past century. Preikschat plotted a curve of these deviations and suggests a possible relationship between sun spot activities and changes of the earths magnetic field during the time period in question. Light speed is on shaky volume and the earth could be changing orbit enough to cause this change in it's precessional relationship to the sun to change the speed of the measurement in my idea of angular momentum being taken to the electromagnetic level. Precession is what causes gravity, like a tip that stays vertical. It also attract more when in motion. Inertia is always at 90 degrees in all events, this turns into circles and they have imagined radii that are really angular momentum relative states of motion. You are on a planet the planet is going around the sun, the sun is going around some other origin of radii that is moving, and that has as well and so on. All events are immersed in all angular motionary relationships of all others. When they are tools for us to use they are still globs of light in circles. Particles no matter what size are volumes of angular solar system like events. If the planets sweep out the same area in the same time this is the most powerful apprehended fact in my mind that we have discovered and this taken to the minuet level will allow us to stop all this BS about paying people to argue over it and get on with it already. If you spend money and find the area of sweep out of the earths so called volume of light that makes it and the moon as well and add there primitive radii and the spin, which would show a exponential rate of sweep out this will in my mind be the same as that of not only our planet but that of all the ones in our solar system. Just because a galaxy goes at the same speed and has a longer radii that does not mean that it does not make that additional need of area sweep out in the forces that are within it. We are only here because of the need for inertia to make areas equal in sweep out, it is the duty of energy to balance this force conservation everywhere, this is unitivity. When you tell the truth you also equal your balance with this one force in the unit volume that has only one event and one radii with no frequency except one. The reason light changes speed is that the balance of the areas must stay in balance with the whole.
Since everything is changing at the same time it is hard to tell relatively if it does at all. My point is the word geometry is an old word that means digging dirt to build with stone. This is not the ideal way to measure orbital sequence of angular momentum on the microscopic level, an angstrom is 1 million of an inch. The is not geometry this low tide sub division of unitivity. It is division of the whole to study the whole through a narrow principlic view to find tools to make it easier for us to live better on the sphere of light that we live on. We only search for tools to have a war on entropy of human heart beats. This is what we should be focusing on how to make new tools to allow more humans to live in comfort with the most heart beats in Unitivity, the volume of eternal experimentally. I like bo's word Universal Volume, but it does not have the action, it is more Newtonian and empirical sounding. Unitivity means when relativity is considered one event independent of size and time. It is a make believe event, but it means it with out the baggage of the past. It is a clean slated idea. Syntrivity is when some one attacks that idea with another. They act of three events focused on becoming one. Because all events are one for sure right. We just break them apart to see them. This is division, and then when division is relative this is multiplication. There is only one volume around us, universe or god all has the pasts baggage with it. When a child comes in the world it is bombarded with what to call it. I think we should make this unitivity, because it takes the bias out of it all and the child can then do what it wants. It can study all the prophets and all the scientist and everyone can hype them but they can always say well until I decide I am in this one volume and I will decide when I want. This volume has all these tools and forces and it is better that I always return to the whole and integrate and unite everything always into one idea set of a whole generalized attitudes for education which I call the unitific method,. A word for always become comprehensive not decisive. A person who is not unitific will say I do not understand it is out of my scope, like the guy did to my idea yesterday. You have heard it a million times. One world working together, this is out of my scope of specialties. Kirby states these very well, that society must integrate the caring sweep of the world. Spend money on peace not war. All the money spent on war could make the world work in one year.
When you are in a relationship with other forces these are syntrific forces. It is always you and the universe to use the old word and when you have to divide your involvement with other forces they are always you them and it. If another one comes in it is the same. 3 forces that you try to put together which makes a tetrahedronal action when solved and this becomes one with the universe and is solved. No longer a problem for a while. Unitivity is the mind force of the whole volume of life that surrounds us, and it has a way of it's own. You may go with it or against it. The one who works with it the most makes more truth and love in the world. The one that is selfish and goes out of the way to go against the integrity of the universe action of unitivity will be angularily momentumed into a different frequency of area sweep out. It is balanced but the balance is always in motion because we are relative to it and with in it. The big scare coming is stop war and measure the orbit of the earth around the sun it is getting 8 seconds longer each year and we may fly off at any moment. We need to spend some time and watch this not that we could do anything about it. Meteors could his us, etc. But for gods sake, why have war, after war, after war. haven't we put enough people in hell here on earth dead and alive already.
A paper by Prof. Joseph H. Hamilton, vanderbilt Univ. Nashville, TN.
"IS THE VACUUM REALLY EMPTY?"
The author states, " The vacuum is the lowest stable state that a region of space can have,
WHILE BEING PENETRATED BY CERTAIN FIELDS".
Because of the tremendous time lags in our educational system, no one will hear about this in schools for
years, you bet.
If we are going to bring about a new way of thinking we have to throw away the past or let it be.
We need new tools to think with and to redefine our way into the future. Unitivity is a tool that i use.
I like it very much. When I go to parties and they ask me what I am, I tell them I am a unitivitist.
Someone who unites everything all the time in to one on going event ordered in the most economical way by experience to make it ever more propitious for humanities success and myself included relatively . I am the only unitivitist in the world and you can do what ever you want. I am proud to be a unitivitist. It is much shorter than comprehensive anticipatorial design scientist. It is my individual word for what a comprehensive anticipatorial design scientist becomes, sort of a world game level of the individual. A Unitivitist is a world man and has no race, class, or country. A unitivitist will work with all persons and countries on an equal bases, if they have integrity they will be treated so. If you want to use the word it is your business and I respect that. It is not a religion, it is a method of unifying experince with relative events.   A unitivitist always uses the most dymaxion possible design within possible access, and lives only to help the whole as the main goal of living. Is passive and works by design action only. Uses all the work of Buckminster Fuller as a given over any other forms unless they are more truthful for the moment. I have not found anything wrong with bucky's work and I feel great to have known him. I feel very lucky to see how a man with such a broken heart could do so much for so many. He was driven by a force that I have never seen in any one else. I wish I had a little of what he had, it would last me the rest of my life. The duty to make humanity a success on the planet and knowing that he was the only one in the world at the time he understood this duty that was going to try and see if he could really do something to allow humanity to become aware of this opportunity. He was the first world man on earth, I feel this is a new specie on earth and I call it the dawning of the space age apes. The world man.
The big thing missing in making synergetics possible on a mass level is its lack of simplicity as a whole. The unitivity volume makes it in my mind something to put all the divisions within. I may be nieve to think so, but there it is.
Tease me if you want'
Love to all.
See ya!
Mickey

--------------D6C895DB2BE9597E31C9E364-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:36:32 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE339D.36787AA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE339D.36787AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Micheal, I take it that cruising around the world in your boat makes you = pretty accessible to some kick ass drugs, uh? ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE339D.36787AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Micheal, I take it that cruising = around the=20 world in your boat makes you pretty accessible to some kick ass drugs,=20 uh?

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE339D.36787AA0-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:30:06 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Michael Riversong Subject: Re: Yep, Dark matter. In-Reply-To: <000901be331d$eb8ce460$19c196d0@home.wtp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You bring up an interesting point here. I think the prediction you speak of would be possible by calculating inherent frequencies of various substances. But there is a flaw in our concept of frequency at this time. All frequency measurements are done against an arbitrary scale of time. And a second of time is so arbitrary that it really is not in step with the actual flow of persistence of particles in this sector of the Galaxy. Synergetics probably has the answer to this. What we have to do first, then, is put together a whole-number scale of time intervals, and derive from that, whole-number frequency measurements. Then, we can apply these frequency measurements to the 92 natural elements, and come up with the method of calculating alloy temperatures. This is just a thought, and i really appreciate your bringing up the problem. At 04:25 AM 12/29/98 -0700, you wrote: > Dr. Kroto's search for the composition of dark matter was what I was >alluding to. OK, here's something that I've pondered for a while. A >physists once pointed out to me that the melting and or flowing >temperature ranges of alloys couldn't be predicted by mathematics. I'm >curious if there is some way to predict the said temperature ranges using >a synergetics approach. If so I think therein lies your Nobel prize? If >I'm not mistaken there have been no predictions put forth using a >synergetic approach. -- Michael Riversong P.O. Box 2775 * Cheyenne, Wyoming 82003 Professional Harpist & Environmental Consultant web address: http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:59:30 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9247979171ECD27B0B3CA38A" --------------9247979171ECD27B0B3CA38A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As you can see I do not need drugs, just a little beer now and then. I do not do drugs because you have to sneak around and this takes the unitivity synergy away from you. My duty to try and have integrity to help humanity means more to me. I have not had a hit of pot for 10 years. The sneaking around is what has stopped all the youth from having anything to say to stop the mess that we are in. Bucky inspired me to stop having anything to do with it. Drugs is the reason everyone is side tracked and sneaking around and the stupid money bees get ahead so far and design such stupid laws to allow them to make money and the rest to sneak around all they want, if you know what I mean. I do not cruise around all over the world. I have flown around the world. I live on a motor boat. I now use gas or row. It is OK if I stay on the West Coast. If I go farther there is no gas stations and you must go to sail. I would like to go to sail, but I am comfortable now. If I get someone to buy the dome home of Bucky's and donate it for the Buckminster and Anne Fuller memorial park then I would buy a sail boat. I have been all around enough for now, and just to go to Catalina Island and stay every once and a while is enough. Boats are great here in LA because they are earth Quake proof. Drugs do not help anyone learn anything, but waste time. I have wasted a lot of time with drugs and I wish I had not. They are inherently sneaky stuff. Sneaking is bad, and dishonest. I try my best to be honest, and tell the truth. Drugs are big baggage to carry around for nothing. The truth does the most with the least. Drugs is doing the least with the most. Beer is ( I do drink to much some times, like dark Irish beer, or Italian wine ) But they say it is good for deification and it works for me. Happy New Year and bubbly is ok as well... Drugs are not as good as hugs! Hugs are the greatest possible experiences to me. The greatest is to get a kiss from Bucky. Now that is something! I do feel that to many people that are into Fuller do drugs and they know who they are. I am against it, because of experience. They are feeling sorry for one's self, just as smoking is. For each their own and I feel that even death should be a right. I am for Kavorkian, and the right for anyone to do what ever they want as long as they do not force anything on anyone else. Mark Somers wrote: > Micheal, I take it that cruising around the world in your boat makes > you pretty accessible to some kick ass drugs, uh? --------------9247979171ECD27B0B3CA38A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As you can see I do not need drugs, just a little beer now and then.

I do not do drugs because you have to sneak around and this takes the unitivity synergy away from you. My duty to try and have integrity to help humanity means more to me. I have not had a hit of pot for 10 years. The sneaking around is what has stopped all the youth from having anything to say to stop the mess that we are in. Bucky inspired me to stop having anything to do with it. Drugs is the reason everyone is side tracked and sneaking around and the stupid money bees get ahead so far and design such stupid laws to allow them to make money and the rest to sneak around all they want, if you know what I mean.
I do not cruise around all over the world. I have flown around the world. I live on a motor boat. I now use gas or row. It is OK if I stay on the West Coast. If I go farther there is no gas stations and you must go to sail. I would like to go to sail, but I am comfortable now. If I get someone to buy the dome home of Bucky's and donate it for the Buckminster and Anne Fuller memorial park then I would buy a sail boat. I have been all around enough for now, and just to go to Catalina Island and stay every once and a while is enough. Boats are great here in LA because they are earth Quake proof. Drugs do not help anyone learn anything, but waste time. I have wasted a lot of time with drugs and I wish I had not. They are inherently sneaky stuff. Sneaking is bad, and dishonest. I try my best to be honest, and tell the truth. Drugs are big baggage to carry around for nothing.
The truth does the most with the least. Drugs is doing the least with the most. Beer is
( I do drink to much some times, like dark Irish beer, or Italian wine ) But they say it is good for deification and it works for me. Happy New Year and bubbly is ok as well...
Drugs are not as good as hugs! Hugs are the greatest possible experiences to me.
The greatest is to get a kiss from Bucky. Now that is something! I do feel that to many people that are into Fuller do drugs and they know who they are. I am against it, because of experience. They are feeling sorry for one's self, just as smoking is. For each their own and I feel that even death should be a right. I am for Kavorkian, and the right for anyone to do what ever they want as long as they do not force anything on anyone else.

Mark Somers wrote:

Micheal, I take it that cruising around the world in your boat makes you pretty accessible to some kick ass drugs, uh?

--------------9247979171ECD27B0B3CA38A-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:11:40 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: AAEE-Solar and wind systems for a boat Comments: To: "EREC - Hesse, Paul" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your response, I will look into this site, I wish to disconnect from the meters and live outside the bills that seem so regular that it is a way of life'. To live without rent and row into the mainland to work seems very interesting. What water maker and what else can you have the windmills run that complete the possible disconnection with out any loss of ability. Is the mobil phone capable of having an internet connection yet. The nomad way of life seems so much more advantageous. EREC - Hesse, Paul wrote: > **************************************************************************** > Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Clearinghouse (EREC) > PO Box 3048, Merrifield, VA 22116 > Phone: in USA: 1-800-363-3732 > **************************************************************************** > Re: '(Message sent: 12/26 15:40) > I want to know the best wind mill for battery charging and also the best > solar panels all to put on my boat. I do not have a lot of money, but wish > to live off this intake alone.' > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Michael Mitchell: > - > Thank you for your inquiry (see copy above) to Ask an Energy Expert. > > We cant really tell you what's "best." Look for warranties as your best > indication of manufacturers "faith" in their products. Please see the list > of referrals and references below. Home Power magazine's June/July 98 issue > had an article that compared small wind turbines. > > We also have a variety of factsheets, including on PV and small wind > turbines, that can be viewed/downloaded from the Web at: > http://www.eren.doe.gov/erec/factsheets/factsheets.html > > We hope this helps, and on behalf of the US Department of Energy thank you > for your interest in energy efficiency and renewable energy. Please contact > us again if we can be of additional assistance. > > Sincerely, Paul Hesse > > The following information was prepared by the staff of the EREC: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Sources of Information and Suppliers of Renewable Energy Equipment in > California > > For information on the use of renewable energy for residential and > commercial applications in California, and/or to find suppliers of renewable > energy conversion systems and components, contact the following > organizations: > > California Solar Energy Industries Association (CAL SEIA) > Cathy Murnighan-Mulcahy (Executive Director) > 1731 Howe Avenue, Suite 227 > Sacramento, CA 95825 > Phone: (916) 649-9858; Fax: (916) 649-9757 > Internet Email: murnighan@aol.com > The California Solar Energy Industries Association (CAL SEIA) was founded in > 1978, and currently consists of nearly 100 member businesses or other > organizations. CAL SEIA is divided into four regional chapters: San Diego; > Sacramento/Foothills; Los Angeles and Orange County; and the Greater (San > Francisco) Bay Area. Most of the member businesses are solar system > contractors, installers, and dealers. Solar component manufacturers, > educators, utilities, and consultants are also members. CAL SEIA publishes a > yearly membership directory, the quarterly Solar Energy Report, and fact > sheets such as: The Photovoltaic Choice, Solar Water Heating Questions and > Answers, and Solar Pool Heating Questions and Answers. Students or > educators can join CAL SEIA as non-voting members for $25.00. Corporate > memberships start at $295.00. Non-members can subscribe to the Solar Energy > Report for $25.00. > > Independent Power Providers (IPP) > P.O. Box 231 > North Fork, CA 93643 > Phone: (209) 841-7001 or (916) 475-3402 > Internet (E-mail): i2p@aol.com > Independent Power Providers (IPP) is a non-profit network of dealers, > manufacturers, installers, and purchasers of residential and > small-commercial scale renewable energy systems, and renewable energy > advocates. IPP promotes and supports end user ownership of renewable energy > systems. IPP advocates net billing for utility-connected renewable energy > systems, licensing and standards of expertise for system installers, and > technical standards and conformance to building and electric codes for > renewable energy systems. It also promotes the development of financing > opportunities for renewable energy system purchasers. IPP provides > referrals to qualified members who are suppliers and installers of renewable > power systems for potential end users. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Reading and Source List: Catalogs of Renewable Energy Products > > The following catalogs are from manufacturers or distributors of renewable > energy products. This list is by no means comprehensive and is not a > recommendation or endorsement of any product or service mentioned. This list > was updated in October 1997. > > The products offered in these catalogs include equipment necessary to > operate solar heating/cooling systems, photovoltaic systems, hydroelectric > systems, and wind systems. Some of the catalogs offer additional products, > which you can use to conserve energy, such as appliances and lighting > equipment. Many of these catalogs also include alternative energy books as > well as gifts and novelties. > > Alternative Energy Engineering Catalog and Design Guide, Alternative Energy > Engineering, P.O. Box 339, W.Redway,CA 95560, (800) 777-6609 or (707) > 923-2277; Internet: (E-Mail) energy@altenergy.com; (World Wide Web) > http://www.asis.com/aee. Annual, latest edition 1997-98. 120 pp., $4.00. > > Alternative Power and Light Company Catalog and Design Guide, Alternative > Power Renewable Energy Center,104 North Main ,Viroqua,WI 54665, (608) > 637-2722. Annual, latest edition 1996. 100 pp., $3.00, free with > purchase. > > Application and Design Guide Solar Electric Power Systems, Atlantic Solar > Products, Inc., P.O. Box 70060, Baltimore,MD 21237-4114, (410) 686-2500 or > Fax (410) 686-6221. Latest edition, 1995. 22 pp., Free. > > Backwoods Solar Electric Systems, Planning Guide and Catalog, E. and S. > Willey, 8530 Rapid Lightning Creek Road, Sandpoint, ID 83864, (208) > 263-4290. Annual, latest edition 1996-97. 160 pp.,Free. > > Electrical Independence Guidebook and Catalog, Sierra Solar Systems, 109-N > Argall Way,Nevada City, CA 95959, (800) 517-6527; Internet: (World Wide Web) > http://sierrasolar.com/ Annual, latest edition 1998-99. 140 pp., $5.00. > Supplement published twice a year. Free. > > Energy Saver's Catalog, Solar Components Corporation, 121 Valley Street, > Manchester, NH 03103, (603) 668-8186; Fax (603) 627-3110; Internet: (E-Mail) > solar2@ix.netcom.com; (World Wide Web) http://www.solar-components.com. > Annual, latest edition 1995-96. 38 pp., $2.00. Developed water-filled > storage tubes for solar thermal mass; also distributes a free booklet on > solar projects. > > New England Solar Electric Inc. P.O. Box 435, 226 Huntington Road, > Worthington, MA 01098, (413) 238-5974. Published twice a year, latest > edition Fall and Winter, 1997. 80 pp., $3.00. > > Jade Mountain Appropriate Technology News, Jade Mountain, Inc., P.O. Box > 4616, Boulder, CO 80306, (800) 442-1972 or (303) 449-6601; Internet: > (E-Mail)info@jademountain.com; (World Wide Web) http://www.jademountain.com/ > Published twice yearly, latest edition Summer 1997. 112 pp., $4.00 (three > year subscription). > > Kansas Wind Power Catalog, Kansas Wind Power, 13569 214th Road, Holton, KS > 66436, (785) 364-4407. Annual, latest edition 1997-98. 72 pp., $4.00. Also > publishes a Windmill/Water pump catalog. > > Off Line Catalogue, Off Line Independent Energy Systems, P.O. Box 231, North > Fork, CA 93643, (209) 877-7080; Internet: (E-Mail) ofln@aol.com. Annual, > latest edition 1997-98. 116 pp., Free upon request. > > Photovoltaic Power System Catalog, SunAmp Power Company, 7825 East Evans > Road, Suite 400, Scottsdale,AZ 85260-6927, (602) 922-9782 or Fax: (602) > 922-4928; Internet: (E-Mail) sunamp@goodnet.com/ Annual, latest edition > 1997. 61 pp., $2.50. Also distributes data sheets on products and power > systems. > > Solar Design Catalog, AAA Solar Service and Supply, Inc., 2021 Zearing > Avenue, NW, Albuquerque, NM 87104, (800) 245-0311; Internet: (E-Mail) > aaasolar@rt66.com; (World Wide Web) http://rt66.com/aaasolar. Annual, latest > edition 1997-98. 64 pp., Free. > > Solar Electric Products Catalog, Photocomm, Inc., 7681 East Gray Road, > Scottsdale, AZ 85260, (800) 544- 6466. Latest edition 1997. 60 pp. > > Solar Electric Products and PV Power Systems, Solar Depot, 61 Paul Drive, > San Rafael, CA 94903, (415) 499-1333, for orders (800) 822-4041; Internet > (World Wide Web) http://www.solardepot.com. Annual, latest edition June > 1997. 60 pp., $7.00. > > Solar Electricity Today, PV Network News, 2303 Cedros Circle, Santa Fe, NM > 87505, (505) 473-1067; Internet: (E-Mail) pvpaulset@aol.com/ Annual, latest > edition May 1996. 22 pp., $15.00. Also publishes a directory of product > specification sheets ($69.95 postage paid), and periodic updates. > > Solar Living Sourcebook, Real Goods Trading Corporation, 966 Mazzoni Street, > Ukiah, CA 95482, (800) 762-7325 or (707) 468-9214; Fax (707) 468-9486; > Internet: (E-Mail) realgood@realgoods.com; (World Wide Web) > http://well.com/www/realgood/ Latest edition 1996. 672 pp., $24.95 > (including shipping and handling). Real Goods also publishes Real Goods > News, a free, quarterly newsletter that contains listings of alternative > energy products. > > Sunelco Planning Guide and Product Catalog, Sunelco, Inc.,100 Skeels Street, > P.O. Box 1499, Hamilton, MT 59840, (800) 338-6844; Internet: (E-mail) > sunelco@montana.com; (World Wide Web) http://www.sunelco.com/ Annual, > latest edition 1997. 132pp.,$4.95 > > UtilityFree Source Book, UtilityFree(tm), Inc. 5325 Country Road 154, Suite > 5 > Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Phone: (800) 766-5550 or (970) 928-9428; Fax: > (970)928-9409 Internet: (E-mail) solar@rof.net; (World Wide Web) > http://www.rof.net/yp/utilfree/ > > The following publication includes lists of alternative energy mail order > catalogues and manufacturers. > > Sustainable Energy Businesses: A National Directory of Sustainable Energy > Companies, Sun Day, 315 Circle Avenue, Takoma Park, MD 20912, (301) 2702258. > Latest edition 1997. 110pp., $22.50. > This directory provides names of more than 1,500 manufacturers, retail > stores, design firms and other companies that offer products and services in > the areas of energy efficiency, renewable energy, and electric vehicles. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Reading List: Small-Scale Photovoltaic Systems > > The following publications provide information on solar photovoltaic (PV) > systems for small-scale applications. Many of these books may be available > in public libraries and bookstores. The availability and prices indicated > are subject to change at any time, and do not include shipping and handling > charges that may apply. Contact the sources indicated for current > information. This list was updated in August 1998. > > Books > > Battery Book for Your PV Home, Fowler Solar Electric, Inc., 1991. Available > from New England Solar > Electric, P.O. Box 435, Worthington, MA 01098. Phone: (800) 914-4131. 22 > pp., $8.00. > > How to Build a Solar Cell that Really Works, W. Noon, Lindsay Publications, > 1990. Available from Sunelco, 100 Skeels Street, P.O. Box 787, Hamilton, MT > 59840-0787. Phone: (800) 338-6844 or (406) 363-6924. 22 pp., $5.00, Order > No. 00623. > > Independent Energy Guide: Electric Power for Home, Boat, and RV, K. Jeffrey, > Chelsea Green Publishing, 1996. Available from American Solar Energy > Society (see Source List below). 256 pp., $19.95. > > Living on 12 Volts with Ample Power, D. Smead and R. Ishihara, Rides > Publishing Company, 1988, 344 pp. Out of print, check your local library for > availability. > > The New Solar Electric Home: The Photovoltaics How-To Handbook, J. Davidson, > AATEC Publications, 1990. Available from American Solar Energy Society (see > Source List below). 416 pp., $18.95. > > Photovoltaic Power Systems and the National Electrical Code: Suggested > Practices, J. Wiles, Southwest Technology Development Institute, Published > Annually. Available from the Southwest Technology Development Institute, > New Mexico State University, P.O. Box 30001, Department 3SOL, Las Cruces, NM > 88003-0001. Phone: (505) 646-1049. Free. > > Photovoltaics: A Manual of Design and Installation for Practitioners, Solar > Energy International (SEI), 1987. Available from SEI, P.O. Box 715, > Carbondale, CO 81623-0715. Phone: (970) 963-8855. 300 pp., $40.00. > > Practical Photovoltaics: Electricity from Solar Cells (3rd Ed.), R. Komp, > AATEC Publications, 1995. Available from AATEC Publications, P.O. Box 7119, > Ann Arbor, MI 48107. Phone: (800) 995-1470. 216 pp., $18.95. > > PV/Generator Hybrid System for Your Home, P. Fowler, Fowler Solar Electric, > Inc. 1991. Available from Sunelco, 100 Skeels Street, P.O. Box 787, > Hamilton, MT 59840-0787. Phone: (800) 336-6844. 25 pp., $8.00, Order No. > 00611. > > Rver's Guide to Solar Battery Charging, N. and B. Kirkby, AATEC > Publications, 1990. Available from American Solar Energy Society (see Source > List below). 164 pp., $12.95. > > The Solar Electric House: A Design Manual for Home-Scale Photovoltaic Power > Systems, S. Strong, Sustainability Press, 1987. Available from American > Solar Energy Society (see Source List below), 276 pp., $21.95. > > The Solar Electric Independent Home Book, P. Fowler, Fowler Solar Electric, > Inc., 1993. Available from Sunelco, 100 Skeels Street, P.O. Box 787, > Hamilton, MT 59840-0787, (800) 336-6844. 200 pp., $17.00. Order No. 00629. > > Solar Electricity: A Practical Guide to Small Photovoltaic Systems Design > and Installation, S. Roberts, Prentice-Hall, 1991, 220 pp. Out of print, > check your local library for availability. > > Solar Electricity Today-The Renewable Energy Resource Directory, PV Network > News, 1997-1998. Available from PV Network News, 2303 Cedros Circle, Santa > Fe, NM 87505. Phone: (505) 473-1067. Email: pvpaulset@aol.com . 20 pp., > $15.00. > - > Wiring 12 Volts for Ample Power, D. Smead and R. Ishihara, Rides Publishing > Company, 1989. Available from Alternative Energy Engineering, P.O. Box 339, > Redway, CA 95560-0339; Phone: (800) 777-6609 or (707) 923-2277. 243 pp., > $18.50. > > Periodicals > > Home Power, P.O. Box 520, Ashland, OR 97520. Phone: (800) 707-6585 or > (530) 475-0830. Email: hp@homepower.org ; World Wide Web: > http://www.homepower.com . Bi-monthly, $22.50 per year (second class mail) > or $36.00 (first class mail). Home Power is directed towards the individual > homeowner. Articles cover basic electricity, homeowner built systems, > system design and protection, electronic schematics for PV related devices, > and system compliance with the National Electric Code. > > Solar Today, American Solar Energy Society (see Source List below), > bi-monthly, free to ASES members, non-members $25.00 per year. This full > color magazine covers many aspects of solar applications and policy issues. > > Videos > > Residential Solar Electricity with John Weiss, S. Andrews, 1996. Available > from Solar Energy International (see Photovoltaics: A Manual ... for > Practioners, above); $40.00. > > The Solar Powered Home, R. Roy, 1998. Available from Mother Earth News, P.O > Box 9380, Department 169B, Des Moines, IA 50306-9380. Phone: (800) > 888-9098 or (515) 265-0829. $27.95. Order No. MEV224. > > Source List > > American Solar Energy Society (ASES) > 2400 Central Avenue, G-1 > Boulder, CO 80301 > Phone: (303) 443-3130; Fax: (303) 443-3212 > Internet: (E-mail) ases@ases.org ; (World Wide Web) > http://www.ases.org/solar > Members of the ASES can obtain publications at prices lower than those > indicated above. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Reading List: Wind Energy-Small-Scale Systems > > The following articles, books, and reports provide information on wind > energy for small-scale systems. To find the publications listed, contact > the source or publisher as indicated, your local public library, or a > bookstore. Libraries may be able to obtain books and reports through their > interlibrary loan system, and bookstores may be able to order books for you. > This list does not cover all available information on this subject, nor is > the mention of any publication product, service, or organization to be > considered a recommendation or endorsement. Publication prices and > availability, and addresses and phone numbers, were updated in November > 1997. > > Books and Pamphlets > > A Field Guide to American Windmills, T. Baker, University of Oklahoma Press, > Norman, OK, 1985. 516 pp. Out of print, check with your local library for > availability. This book provides a walk-through history of the windmills > used in United States. > > Evaluating the Economics of Residential Wind Systems, N. Thomas. American > Wind Energy Association (AWEA), 1994. Available from AWEA (see Source List > below). 20 pp., $8.00 (members), $12.00 (non-members). This book helps > determine if a residential wind system is economically feasible for a given > site. > > Guidebook for Small Wind Energy Conversion Systems, J. Twidell (ed.), > Cambridge University Press, New York, NY, 1987. 200 pp. Out of print, > check with your local library for availability. > > Introduction to Small Wind Systems, N. Thomas, American Wind Energy > Association, 1993. Available from AWEA (see Source List below). 22 pp., > $8.00 (members), $12.00 (non-members). This book is designed to help answer > the question: "Should I purchase a wind energy conversion system as a source > of power for my home or business?" > > Low-Cost Windmill for Developing Nations, H. Bossel, Volunteers in Technical > Assistance (VITA), (n.d.). Available from VITA, Publications Services, P.O. > Box 12438, Arlington, VA 22209, (703) 276-1800. 45 pp., $9.50, includes > postage and handling. This pamphlet contains complete construction details > for building a low-cost windmill with easily obtained materials and > non-precision work or machining. > > Physical Climatology for Solar and Wind Energy: Course on Physical > Climatology for Solar and Wind Energy, R. Guzzi and C. Justus (eds.), World > Scientific Publishing Company, Inc., 1988. Available from World Scientific > Publishing Company, 1060 Main Street, Unit B, River Edge, NJ 07661, (800) > 227-7562. 1096 pp., $146.00. This book covers the physical characteristics > of wind and solar patterns for determining system performance. > > Principles of Wind Energy Conversion Systems, L. Freris, Prentice Hall > Press, 1990. 512 pp. Out of print, check with your local library for > availability. This book is a basic description of wind system design and > implementation. > > Savonius Rotor Construction: Two Vertical-Axis Wind Machines from Oil Drums, > J. Kozlowski, Volunteers in Technical Assistance (VITA), (n.d.). Available > from VITA, Publications Services, P.O. Box 12438, Arlington, VA 22209, (703) > 276-1800. 54 pp., $9.50, includes postage and handling. This pamphlet > provides instructions for building a two-stage rotor for pumping water or > three-stage rotor for charging auto batteries. Fully illustrated. > > Siting Handbook for Small Wind Energy Conversion Systems, H. Wegley et al., > WindBooks, 1989. 100 pp. Out of print, check with your local library for > availability. This book describes how to site a small wind energy > conversion system. > > Understanding Your Wind Resource, N. Thomas, American Wind Energy > Association, 1994. Available from AWEA (see Source List below). 12 pp., > $8.00 (members), $12.00 (non-members). This book gives an overview of the > nature of wind and methods of assessing wind energy potential of a given > site. > > The Wind at Work; An Activity Guide to Windmills G. Woelfle, Chicago Review > Press, Incorporated, 1997. Available from Independent Publishers Group, 814 > N. Franklin Street, Chicago, IL 60610, (800) 888-4741. 144 pp., $14.95. The > author presents anecdotes, legends, and a wide variety of activities for > children that reveal the world of windmills, from the past to present day. > > Wind Energy, G. Rickard, Gareth Stevens, Inc., 1991. Available from Gareth > Stevens, Inc., River Center Building, 1555 North River Center Drive, Suite > 201, Milwaukee, WI 53212, (800) 341-3569. 32 pp., $13.95 plus $3.50 > shipping and handling. This book provides an overview of wind energy > development and systems. > > Wind Energy Resource Atlas of the United States, D. Elliot et al., Solar > Energy Research Institute, 1986. Available from American Wind Energy > Association (AWEA) (see Source List below). 327 pp., (members), $15.00, > (non-members) $22.50. This book provides data on wind availability in > different regions in the United States. > > Wind Power for Home and Business, P. Gipe, Chelsea Green Publishing Co., > 1993. Available from Chelsea Green Publishing Co., 10 Waters Street, > Lebanon, NH 03766, (800) 639-4099. 413 pp., $35.00, ISBN # 0-930031-64-4. > This book provides a comprehensive discussion of wind electric systems. > > Software > > Wind Power for Home Diskette, P.Gipe,1996. Available from Real Goods > Trading Corporation, 966 Mazzoni Street, Ukiah, CA 95482, (800)762-7325 or > (707)468-9214. $14.95, Order no. 80035. > Internet: (E-Mail)realgood@realgoods.com; (World Wide Web) > http:well.com/www/realgood/. > > Articles > > "10 Years of Utility Intertied Windpower," C. Berger, Home Power, (No. 51) > pp. 14-20, February/March 1996. > > "A Kid Hooked on Wind Power," C. Babcock, Home Power, (No. 56) pp. 32-40, > December 1996/January 1997. > > "A Primer on Wind Generators," M. Bergey, Home Power, (No. 22) pp. 15-20, > April/May 1991. > > "Apples and Oranges," M. Sagrillo, Home Power, (No. 47) pp. 36-47, June/July > 1995. > > "Cheap Towers," J. Daily, Home Power, (No. 52) pp. 24-28, April/May 1996. > > "Fishy Business in the Falklands," C. Wilkinson, Home Power, (No. 55) pp. > 18-23, October/November 1996. > > "Lake Michigan Wind & Sun's 80 Foot, Tilt-Up Wind Generator Tower Kit," Home > Power, (No. 58) pp. 50-52, April/May 1997. > > "Lightning Protection," M. Sagrillo, Home Power, (No. 24) pp. 53-56, > August/September 1991. > > "Living Off the Grid, Part IV: Catching The Wind," Mother Earth News, (No. > 146) pp. 70-77, October/November 1994. > > "Living with a Wind Machine," D. Whithead, Home Power, (No. 57) pp. 18-21, > February/March 1997. > > "Northeast US Evaluated for Wind Use," B. Bailey, Solar Today, (2:6) pp. > 15-16, November/December 1988. > > "A Phoenix is Raised in Colorado," L. Brown, M. Sagrillo, Home Power, (No. > 58) pp. 6-12, April/May 1997. > > "Site Analysis for Wind Generators: Part 1," M. Sagrillo, Home Power, (No. > 40) pp. 86-90, April/May 1994. > > "Site Analysis for Wind Generators: Part 2," M. Sagrillo, Home Power, (No. > 41) pp. 60-64, June/July 1994. > > "So You Want to Build a Wind Generator?" M. Sagrillo, Home Power, (No. 17) > pp. 28-30, June/July 1990. > > "Tower Economics 101," M. Sagrillo, Home Power, (No. 37) pp. 30-32, > October/November 1994. > > "Tower Economics 102," M. Sagrillo, Home Power, (No. 38) pp. 27-30, December > 1993/January 1994. > > "Tower Economics 103," M. Sagrillo, Home Power, (No. 39) pp. 26-30, > February/March 1994. > > "Turbulence: Wind Power, Zoning, and the '90s," S. Otto, Home Power, (No. > 47) pp. 6-13, June/July 1995. > > "Wind Generators and Birds: Power Politics?" Home Power, (No. 46) pp. 30-34, > April/May 1995. > > "Wind Generator Towers," M. Sagrillo, Home Power, (No. 23) pp. 32-36, > June/July 1991. > > Video > > Residential Wind Power with Mick Sagrillo, Scott Andrews, P.O. Box 3027, > Sausalito, CA 94965, (415) 332-5191, 50 minutes, $44.95. General > information suited for the beginner in wind energy. > > Source List > > American Wind Energy Association > 122 C Street, NW, 4th Floor > Washington, DC 20001-2109 > Phone: (202) 383-2500; Fax (202) 383-2505 > Internet: (E-mail) windmail@mcimail.com; (World Wide Web) > http://www.igc.apc.org/awea > > Home Power Magazine > P.O. Box 520 > Ashland, OR 97520 > Phone: (800) 707-6585; Bulletin Board: (707) 822-8640 > Internet: (E-mail) hp@Homepower.org; (World Wide Web) > http://www.homepower.com/hp > > Solar Today > American Solar Energy Society > 2400 Central Avenue, Unit G-1 > Boulder, CO 80301 > Phone: (303) 443-3130; Fax: (303) 443-3212 > Internet: (E-mail) ases@ases.org; (World Wide Web) http://www.ases.org/solar > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:04:45 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. In-Reply-To: <000b01be33d7$e38ff440$37c196d0@home.wtp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:36:32 -0700, you wrote: >Micheal, I take it that cruising around the world in your boat makes you >pretty accessible to some kick ass drugs, uh? Does Michael already cruise the world in his boat? I thought that was his pipe dream based on a scenario where an angel gives him 100K for Bucky's old Carbondale dome. In the meantime he serves up unitivity puke to bolster his reputation as a buckynaut, and not just a conniving land speculator parasite who thinks "Hitler Jay" (direct quote re Jay Baldwin) is part of an evil conspiracy to make him drop the price. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:23:11 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: check out my theory. Comments: To: Mountain Man MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mountain Man wrote: > At 02:56 AM 27/12/98 +0000, you wrote: > >go to synergetics-l >see my sun sweep theory. Michael S. Mitchell dated today. > >I may have stumbled on to something. > >I worked with Bucky Fuller for 16 years. > > Do you have a web address? > > Pete Brown > Mountain Man Graphics, Australia > Publications of Peace and Of Great Souls > http://magna.com.au/~prfbrown ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:26:52 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Michael S. Mitchell: our new world man In-Reply-To: <000b01be33d7$e38ff440$37c196d0@home.wtp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT >From the Synergetics-L archives, excerpts from posts by Michael S. Mitchell: "I find it to be just plan ego wars for power that these views of Bucky's home is focused on as yes Hitler Jay anything you say, all wood domes should be torn away from the face of the earth. Because the flat area above the sliding door 20 years ago leaked now it is to be bulldozed under and pillow domes should be king. They leak worse. I do not know anyone living in one." -- MM, 18 Dec 98 "Bill Perk has put in the paper that the dome should have been bulldozed under, because it is not the new modern version of the pillow dome or some make believe aircraft company making them for anyone, junk." -- MM, 18 Dec 98 "Do not be so malthusian with your ego trips about this. Can you tone the volume of the thread to not be so insulting. ... This should be a comfortable place to visit not a mosh pit of insults." MM, 28 Dec 98 "I am not a hippie. I am a world man. I have been around the world by myself as an experience. I do not do drugs or any mind bending ego trips. This is my scientific findings that I am making available to this list to consider and hope that my view will humbly be considered. I am not babbaling and I have written documents from Bucky that prove this in his own words. I will post them when I can get my site "up". Not up, but out." -- MM, 16 Dec 98 "I will try that when I figure out which and where I am posting. I cannot tell if I am on the syn, list or the geo list, most the time. Thank you, please ignore me if I am a diversion to your idioverse. I love your ideas by the way. Thank you for your effort and insight. I have not the ability to write as well as other, due to my lack of interest to do so, so far. I apologize. I can only see the geo list on the archives, is this true for everyone, Mr. Erickson." -- MM, 27 Dec 98 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:36:42 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael S. Mitchell wrote: Hi! Kirby you are back from vacation already. I am very much against drugs are you and Jay? I do have an angel in Atlanta Georgia that is thinking of buying the Bucky and Anne home dome and making it into the memorial park and take it off his taxes. Is this so bad that the government would end out buying the park for Carbondale. I want to see it get into the hands of Bill Perk and allow the park to happen as soon as possible. This is not against the law, nor is it even have a lack of integrity. My point of "Hitler Jay anything you say" was not added to your statement. My point is he and you are not Bucky dictators. To say all wood domes are out. Nor to say the dome that bucky wrote the Roam home to a dome song is out. I have respect for Jay but I do not go along with anything he says, like wood domes are not as good as his pillow domes. Anyway you guys, should pick on someone your own size. 100K is nothing for the worlds first historical site as a geodesic dome. I do not have to sell it. It is rented for 7200 per year. It is paid off. I do not want to go sailing around the world as I have stated I am comfortable as I am for now. Thank you. I live on a 38 foot by 12 1/2 foot Chris Craft, and I row and bike around a lot. I just got a letter from the white house and they state they are excited about the progress made with this historic project and look forward to future developments. I have ask Hillary or her husband to dedicate it as a park, if a donor is found. I will point to William Perk to help if he wishes if this occurs. If he does not wish to work with the donor the city will I am sure. The National Trust for Historical Preservation has written to the BFI and to me since 1986 4 times and they will do what they can if a donor is found. There is a member of the AIA that is very interested and has sent me a contract to sign to buy it, but it is not the amount I wish to take for it now. I am in no hurry to sell it, I may go back and live in it anyway as I have been doing off and on. . I think you are mistaken if you think I am being untruthful that bucky and I were very good friends, I was a very average person that he allowed to be involved, this showed that he respected the unknown average red neck as a possible colleague. I was introduced for many years to university presidents by him personally as a colleague that is a fact. If you call me a liar that is your opinion. I love unitivity as a tool, and and I stand for it. I take the stand for all mankind on this idea. I think it has love to share by using it. Thank you for your work that is of great importance on the modeling front, it is very educational to me. My idea of equal area sweep out is a theory of mine, this is different than unitivity but of course it is possible that it could have something interesting to offer. You and Jay do not scare me by having pitiful attitudes to others ideas. I hope we can be friends when you calm yourselves. I know it must be surprising to hear and see some different synergetic ideas. Just because someone else has a dome that is important. if it makes for threatening your social security, I am sorry. Why must you waller in the mud to talk about ideas, like some political commercial on TV. This petty attitude is for special interest selfish games, that I do not like think is needed. Talk about the issues not the egos, please. I find it hard to force myself to reply to your insults but what the hell, if you have to, you have to. Maybe it is necessary to fight on these levels to get somewhere. Some of my posts do not get to the list and I do not know who posts them. Is this a conspiracy to stop my ideas and statements as well as the dome park? I am trying to be honest! Fight on the a level that is the message not the messenger. It is funny on my spell check the word Kirby comes out as a replacement as carbon. The universe is on your side. Congratulations. My dome happens to be the same as a C60 bucky ball model in a town called Carbondale. Isn't this mysterious. Synergetic. PS. Have you heard the new MOTOR HEAD cd. Over night sensation. It is great. Lemmy gave me a copy himself. His site is http://www.imotorhead.com I like Michael Riversongs cd FOUNDATIONS as well. The harp is so great to listen to as you play on the net. Bucky would listen to classical music on the second floor of the Carbondale dome and read in his circular library. I have pictures of him doing this. He would have loved Michael's harp playing. Happy New year ! kind regards, Mickey Kirby Urner wrote: > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:36:32 -0700, you wrote: > > >Micheal, I take it that cruising around the world in your boat makes you > >pretty accessible to some kick ass drugs, uh? > > Does Michael already cruise the world in his boat? I thought that > was his pipe dream based on a scenario where an angel gives him > 100K for Bucky's old Carbondale dome. In the meantime he serves > up unitivity puke to bolster his reputation as a buckynaut, and > not just a conniving land speculator parasite who thinks "Hitler > Jay" (direct quote re Jay Baldwin) is part of an evil conspiracy > to make him drop the price. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:04:03 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Michael S. Mitchell: our new world man Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a world man and have been around the world, one does not have to go around the world to be a world man for everyday we go around once, all of us. If you think trying to make the dome into a world park to bucky and anne is wrong say so. What is all the slanderous sneaking around about with trying to find and paste the worst out of context statement you can find. Bucky always would not allow cut outs of his stuff for people could bend the truth. You are showing a small section of reality of the total statements. i stand by them anyway. You must take a lot of drugs to get so mad at me. All you drugies out there stop now and you will be better for it. In the name of bucky. It stops the truth from happening synergeticly. I am not afraid of all the ideas that I am interested in taking money for the dome park and using it to help bucky's dreams come true. I have spent more on making a World Man Band than anyone I know. If anyone would like to buy a audio tape of my band, the world man band how about 10 dollars and you send a self addressed tape box to send it back. Thank you for your opinions old men. regards' Mickey Kirby Urner wrote: > >From the Synergetics-L archives, excerpts from posts by > Michael S. Mitchell: > > "I find it to be just plan ego wars for power that these views > of Bucky's home is focused on as yes Hitler Jay anything you > say, all wood domes should be torn away from the face of the > earth. Because the flat area above the sliding door 20 years > ago leaked now it is to be bulldozed under and pillow domes > should be king. They leak worse. I do not know anyone living > in one." -- MM, 18 Dec 98 > > "Bill Perk has put in the paper that the dome should have been > bulldozed under, because it is not the new modern version of > the pillow dome or some make believe aircraft company making > them for anyone, junk." -- MM, 18 Dec 98 > > "Do not be so malthusian with your ego trips about this. Can > you tone the volume of the thread to not be so insulting. ... > This should be a comfortable place to visit not a mosh pit of > insults." MM, 28 Dec 98 > > "I am not a hippie. I am a world man. I have been around the > world by myself as an experience. I do not do drugs or any mind > bending ego trips. This is my scientific findings that I am > making available to this list to consider and hope that my view > will humbly be considered. I am not babbaling and I have > written documents from Bucky that prove this in his own words. > I will post them when I can get my site "up". Not up, but > out." -- MM, 16 Dec 98 > > "I will try that when I figure out which and where I am > posting. I cannot tell if I am on the syn, list or the geo > list, most the time. Thank you, please ignore me if I am a > diversion to your idioverse. I love your ideas by the way. > Thank you for your effort and insight. I have not the ability > to write as well as other, due to my lack of interest to do so, > so far. I apologize. I can only see the geo list on the > archives, is this true for everyone, Mr. Erickson." -- > MM, 27 Dec 98 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:37:50 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: SYNERGETICS, INC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few of the color pics at the website of Bucky's old company, Synergetics, Inc: Aerial view of the Union Tank Car Dome, USA http://www.synergeticsinc.com/bodytext/Archive/union.htm Inside the American Society of Metals Dome, USA http://www.synergeticsinc.com/bodytext/Archive/asm.htm Inside the Botanical Garden Dome in Mexico http://www.synergeticsinc.com/bodytext/Archive/Oaxtepec.htm Inside the Carborundum Co Dome, USA http://www.synergeticsinc.com/bodytext/Archive/carborundum.htm Outside the Sports Arena Dome in Venezuela http://www.synergeticsinc.com/bodytext/Archive/poliedro.htm Joe S Moore joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:37:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Comments: To: sales@solardome.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BE3401.F7C5CE60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BE3401.F7C5CE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce, What is your old fashioned mailing address? Couldn't find it anywhere on your webpages. Ref: http://www.solardome.co.uk/index.htm Thanks, Joe S Moore joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BE3401.F7C5CE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bruce,

What is=20 your old fashioned mailing address? Couldn't find it anywhere on your=20 webpages.

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Thanks,

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BE3401.F7C5CE60-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:48:24 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael S. Mitchell wrote: I am trying to post this again, When I tried before it did not post? I am sorry if this appears twice. > > Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > > > > Hi! Kirby you are back from vacation already. > > I am very much against drugs are you and Jay? > > > > I do have an angel in Atlanta Georgia that is thinking of buying the Bucky > > and Anne home dome and making it into the memorial park and take it off his > > taxes. Is this so bad that the government would end out buying the park for > > Carbondale. I want to see it get into the hands of Bill Perk and allow the > > park to happen as soon as possible. This is not against the law, nor is it > > even have a lack of integrity. > > > > My point of "Hitler Jay anything you say" was not added to your statement. > > My point is he and you are not Bucky dictators. To say all wood domes are > > out. > > Nor to say the dome that bucky wrote the Roam home to a dome song is out. > > > > I have respect for Jay but I do not go along with anything he says, like wood > > domes are not as good as his pillow domes. > > > > Anyway you guys, should pick on someone your own size. > > > > 100K is nothing for the worlds first historical site as a geodesic dome. I > > do not have to sell it. It is rented for 7200 per year. It is paid off. > > > > I do not want to go sailing around the world as I have stated I am > > comfortable as I am for now. Thank you. I live on a 38 foot by 12 1/2 foot > > Chris Craft, and I row and bike around a lot. > > > > I just got a letter from the white house and they state they are excited > > about the progress made with this historic project and look forward to future > > developments. > > > > I have ask Hillary or her husband to dedicate it as a park, if a donor is > > found. I will point to William Perk to help if he wishes if this occurs. If > > he does not wish to work with the donor the city will I am sure. The > > National Trust for Historical Preservation has written to the BFI and to me > > since 1986 4 times and they will do what they can if a donor is found. There > > is a member of the AIA that is very interested and has sent me a contract to > > sign to buy it, but it is not the amount I wish to take for it now. I am in > > no hurry to sell it, I may go back and live in it anyway as I have been doing > > off and on. . > > > > I think you are mistaken if you think I am being untruthful that bucky > > and I were very good friends, I was a very average person that he allowed to > > be involved, this showed that he respected the unknown average red neck as a > > possible colleague. I was introduced for many years to university presidents > > by him personally as a colleague that is a fact. If you call me a liar that > > is your opinion. > > > > I love unitivity as a tool, and and I stand for it. I take the stand for > > all mankind on this idea. I think it has love to share by using it. > > Thank you for your work that is of great importance on the modeling front, it > > is very educational to me. My idea of equal area sweep out is a theory of > > mine, this is different than unitivity but of course it is possible that it > > could have something interesting to offer. > > > > You and Jay do not scare me by having pitiful attitudes to others ideas. I > > hope we can be friends when you calm yourselves. > > I know it must be surprising to hear and see some different synergetic > > ideas. Just because someone else has a dome that is important. if it makes > > for threatening your social security, I am sorry. > > Why must you waller in the mud to talk about ideas, like some political > > commercial on TV. > > This petty attitude is for special interest selfish games, that I do not like > > think is needed. Talk about the issues not the egos, please. I find it hard > > to force myself to reply to your insults but what the hell, if you have to, > > you have to. Maybe it is necessary to fight on these levels to get > > somewhere. Some of my posts do not get to the list and I do not know who > > posts them. Is this a conspiracy to stop my ideas and statements as well as > > the dome park? I am trying to be honest! > > > > Fight on the a level that is the message not the messenger. > > > > It is funny on my spell check the word Kirby comes out as a replacement as > > carbon. The universe is on your side. Congratulations. My dome happens to > > be the same as a C60 bucky ball model in a town called Carbondale. Isn't > > this mysterious. Synergetic. > > > > PS. Have you heard the new MOTOR HEAD cd. Over night sensation. It is great. > > > > Lemmy gave me a copy himself. His site is http://www.imotorhead.com > > > > I like Michael Riversongs cd FOUNDATIONS as well. The harp is so great to > > listen to as you play on the net. Bucky would listen to classical music on > > the second floor of the Carbondale dome and read in his circular library. I > > have pictures of him doing this. He would have loved Michael's harp playing. > > > > Happy New year ! > > > > kind regards, > > > > Mickey > > > > Kirby Urner wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:36:32 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > >Micheal, I take it that cruising around the world in your boat makes you > > > >pretty accessible to some kick ass drugs, uh? > > > > > > Does Michael already cruise the world in his boat? I thought that > > > was his pipe dream based on a scenario where an angel gives him > > > 100K for Bucky's old Carbondale dome. In the meantime he serves > > > up unitivity puke to bolster his reputation as a buckynaut, and > > > not just a conniving land speculator parasite who thinks "Hitler > > > Jay" (direct quote re Jay Baldwin) is part of an evil conspiracy > > > to make him drop the price. > > > > > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:26:18 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > > > Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > > > > > Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > Hi! Kirby you are back from vacation already. > > > I am very much against drugs are you and Jay? > > > > > > I do have an angel in Atlanta Georgia that is thinking of buying the Bucky > > > and Anne home dome and making it into the memorial park and take it off his > > > taxes. Is this so bad that the government would end out buying the park for > > > Carbondale. I want to see it get into the hands of Bill Perk and allow the > > > park to happen as soon as possible. This is not against the law, nor is it > > > even have a lack of integrity. > > > > > > My point of "Hitler Jay anything you say" was not added to your statement. > > > My point is he and you are not Bucky dictators. To say all wood domes are > > > out. > > > Nor to say the dome that bucky wrote the Roam home to a dome song is out. > > > > > > I have respect for Jay but I do not go along with anything he says, like wood > > > domes are not as good as his pillow domes. > > > > > > Anyway you guys, should pick on someone your own size. > > > > > > 100K is nothing for the worlds first historical site as a geodesic dome. I > > > do not have to sell it. It is rented for 7200 per year. It is paid off. > > > > > > I do not want to go sailing around the world as I have stated I am > > > comfortable as I am for now. Thank you. I live on a 38 foot by 12 1/2 foot > > > Chris Craft, and I row and bike around a lot. > > > > > > I just got a letter from the white house and they state they are excited > > > about the progress made with this historic project and look forward to future > > > developments. > > > > > > I have ask Hillary or her husband to dedicate it as a park, if a donor is > > > found. I will point to William Perk to help if he wishes if this occurs. If > > > he does not wish to work with the donor the city will I am sure. The > > > National Trust for Historical Preservation has written to the BFI and to me > > > since 1986 4 times and they will do what they can if a donor is found. There > > > is a member of the AIA that is very interested and has sent me a contract to > > > sign to buy it, but it is not the amount I wish to take for it now. I am in > > > no hurry to sell it, I may go back and live in it anyway as I have been doing > > > off and on. . > > > > > > I think you are mistaken if you think I am being untruthful that bucky > > > and I were very good friends, I was a very average person that he allowed to > > > be involved, this showed that he respected the unknown average red neck as a > > > possible colleague. I was introduced for many years to university presidents > > > by him personally as a colleague that is a fact. If you call me a liar that > > > is your opinion. > > > > > > I love unitivity as a tool, and and I stand for it. I take the stand for > > > all mankind on this idea. I think it has love to share by using it. > > > Thank you for your work that is of great importance on the modeling front, it > > > is very educational to me. My idea of equal area sweep out is a theory of > > > mine, this is different than unitivity but of course it is possible that it > > > could have something interesting to offer. > > > > > > You and Jay do not scare me by having pitiful attitudes to others ideas. I > > > hope we can be friends when you calm yourselves. > > > I know it must be surprising to hear and see some different synergetic > > > ideas. Just because someone else has a dome that is important. if it makes > > > for threatening your social security, I am sorry. > > > Why must you waller in the mud to talk about ideas, like some political > > > commercial on TV. > > > This petty attitude is for special interest selfish games, that I do not like > > > think is needed. Talk about the issues not the egos, please. I find it hard > > > to force myself to reply to your insults but what the hell, if you have to, > > > you have to. Maybe it is necessary to fight on these levels to get > > > somewhere. Some of my posts do not get to the list and I do not know who > > > posts them. Is this a conspiracy to stop my ideas and statements as well as > > > the dome park? I am trying to be honest! > > > > > > Fight on the a level that is the message not the messenger. > > > > > > It is funny on my spell check the word Kirby comes out as a replacement as > > > carbon. The universe is on your side. Congratulations. My dome happens to > > > be the same as a C60 bucky ball model in a town called Carbondale. Isn't > > > this mysterious. Synergetic. > > > > > > PS. Have you heard the new MOTOR HEAD cd. Over night sensation. It is great. > > > > > > Lemmy gave me a copy himself. His site is http://www.imotorhead.com > > > > > > I like Michael Riversongs cd FOUNDATIONS as well. The harp is so great to > > > listen to as you play on the net. Bucky would listen to classical music on > > > the second floor of the Carbondale dome and read in his circular library. I > > > have pictures of him doing this. He would have loved Michael's harp playing. > > > > > > Happy New year ! > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > Mickey > > > > > > Kirby Urner wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:36:32 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Micheal, I take it that cruising around the world in your boat makes you > > > > >pretty accessible to some kick ass drugs, uh? > > > > > > > > Does Michael already cruise the world in his boat? I thought that > > > > was his pipe dream based on a scenario where an angel gives him > > > > 100K for Bucky's old Carbondale dome. In the meantime he serves > > > > up unitivity puke to bolster his reputation as a buckynaut, and > > > > not just a conniving land speculator parasite who thinks "Hitler > > > > Jay" (direct quote re Jay Baldwin) is part of an evil conspiracy > > > > to make him drop the price. > > > > > > > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:02:29 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Clifford J. Nelson" Organization: gte.net Subject: *Bit**Blt* Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Is long time no see Moose and Squirrel, Natahsha. Where are they?" "Is easy Boris! They are at:" http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/ *BitBlt* Cliff Nelson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:20:05 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Subject: Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > As you can see I do not need drugs, just a little beer now and then. I am sorry I did have a hit of pot two years ago on Christmas to be polite to a girl I was dating. One hit and I did not inhale much at all. Mickey. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:53:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: BUCKY LINKS Comments: To: kurita@geodesicjapan.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BE3436.83AEC560" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BE3436.83AEC560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Ref: http://www.parkcity.ne.jp/~geodesic/geohome.html ) Dear Sirs, You may want to link to my site. Joe S Moore joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BE3436.83AEC560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BE3436.83AEC560-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:27:42 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby Urner wrote: > I've worked with BFI, did their first website, helped get > bfi.org registered with the internic, served as webmaster > for quite awhile, all free of charge. I represented BFI > at a fullerene conference (paid my own way). When the > BFI started falling apart, I tried to play a constructive > role, as one board member after another resigned in protest > and/or disgust, and good people were let go. > > I've written to Allegra recently mentioning you (she went > through the est Training too by the way, what of it?), > wondering what this is all about, you posting all this > wild stuff left and right, hat out for money. Does the > BFI support you in doing this? I think it cheapens Fuller, > trivializes his legacy. He wrote to me too, we had a > relationship. I just don't slather that all over the > place trying to make a buck. All my website stuff is > out of my own pocket -- never asked anyone for grants > or even donations. > > The reason drugs come up a lot all of a sudden is you > write sloppily, just spilling stuff out, making your > readers swim through huge globs of poorly structured > thinking, laced with high emotion. Not really my cup > of tea and I'm in the habit of deleting your stuff > unread -- but this time you hit my personal inbox, so > I'm reading and replying (no guarantee I'll do that > again though). > > I'm sure Jay could join the fracas if he wished -- he > just dashed that quickie reply to me giving me the benefit > of his views and I shared it with the list. But really, > I don't think he's giving that dome much thought, nor > am I. > > If you get the 100K, great for you. I'll reserve judgement > on how appropriate is whatever park/memorial done in Bucky's > name -- and give what I consider appropriate appreciation > to whomever is so generous with his/her assets (that wouldn't > be you of course, as you're not really contributing in this > scenario, are simply the interim landlord now walking away > with a hefty sum to do something with unitivity and music > (probably another reason people bring up drugs -- people > associate the two, however unfairly)). > > I've been working very hard using personal time and assets > to make Synergetics understandable, comprehensible. My > website is about Fuller and his life, as well as his ideas. > But you don't seem to be trying to make Synergetics > accessible. It's all me me me look at my ideas, copyright > Michael S. Mitchell and unitivity bullshit. From my point > of view, you've sold out, are trading on your friendship > with Bucky to pump up your own sorry sideshow. > > I look forward to forgetting about you. Please don't > try to be my friend. I never want to have anything to do > with you. Good bye. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:17:51 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Subject: Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 I do have a few interested buyer, donors that will only take this off their taxes to buy and donate bucky and anne's dome home in Carbondale. Is this so bad that the donor would take the money and spend it on this and not war. I am from Southern Illinois and proud of it. I want to see the legacy of Fuller there where it inspired me. The dome is a very important part of Bucky and Anne's life as I have letters from the honorable Allegra Fuller Snyder to prove it, and a signed book from her very talented Husband that has pictures of the dome in it. You bad rap the Buckminster Fuller institute and act as if you and Jay are above them and you are ashamed of them. I stand behind the institute because that is what Bucky wanted. I think they are going the right way at the right speed, slow and steady. I know the right decisions will occur at the right time. You are like a COO COO bird you steal others eggs and make them raise yours, by making others think you are as big as the BFI by bad mouthing the BFI with your advantage of theSyn-l host.. Why can't you and Jay stop acting like your ideas is better than Bucky's. Where is Jay why can't he fight for himself, you stick out for him with his e mailing. The trees that made bucky's dome have grown back by now.. it is a solar energy dome made of wood from sunlight. You say the wood dome that bucky built is puke compared to Pillow domes and you act like your site is more important and better than the BFI. Get out of here. Who are you to act as blood kin to him. Who are you to, with your little models of other peoples programs and your snot rag EST ego, attitude to act like some high horse Fuller priest. I have seen many of your kind over the years. Most of them are dead now. When you play with the universe on a high level the universe takes it very seriously. Spoiled rotten want a bee to teach and be another pillow dome, arrogant Jay baldwin. Saying things that I do not agree with, but who cares about me, I am not one of the jim Jones of FUller. You wear a mask in your site, why. You hide behind your Princton alumni edu, address. I think you are the exact opposite of what you say about me. I have found that when someone says something bad you can usually say it right back and it fits better with them. So I am a parasite of Fuller's. I am one of Bucky's greatest friends, stupid. You have a computer site. You are the one that has a site (parasite) not me on Fuller, you are making your life out of it. I have more signed artifacts that bucky signed the word love to me, on than you do, I will bet. So is Jay, making a living out of Fuller. You are against his own family. You make your sites look like some kind of yelling match that you scare away anyone that might take away from your modeling priest hood special interest. I do not want to get into this flame stuff but you force people to have to, talk about the messenger not the message. You are an est spoiled brat that has no where to go but knock the family of bucky and run people off who do not make you look like the palomino of the site. Come now Kirby you are getting as low as Jay to fight with someone over something that you have the advantage over with a book or a site and they are unknown. You guys should look in the mirror some time and brush your own hair. As far as making money off the dome I want to get my money back. I have spent over 100K dollars total on the dome. What is wrong with me getting the money back that I have in it since 1972. So I am making money off the dome. This is legal and it is the way of life that is law in America. Where do you live in some ivory cyber tower. After you get these replys you edit them to make it sound worse and do tricks to make your power plays your way. Karma, kid, Karma, what are you and Jay going to do when the cops find your pot? I can tell by your posts your must be half doped. Or is that your state of mind. I am a unitivitist and proud of it. A world man and I want you to understand. Unite the vibes of the planetary tribes. I am the original designer of the world man band and if anyone would like an audio tape send me a return box with 10 dollars and postage and they can hear the music. Bucky helped write as well as his friends some of the songs. It is written by myself and Ted Turner of Wish Bone Ash who played with John George and Ringo on Imagine. Imagine was inspired by bucky. I was in the Carbondale office the day that John Lennon sent Bucky a copy of Srgt. Pepper. He wanted Bucky to build him a dome he stated in the letter. KIRBY LETS BE FRIENDS AND CANT YOU GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE. I do not care if you and Jay take dope anyway. I am against dope, period and I think all youth should learn from the mistakes of people like me that it is a waste of time, totally. I have had one hit of pot in 10 years. I know I sinned. But the fact is we all do and we can get better. Like Ezra Pound stated that he was sorry to bucky and bucky stated then it is ok, about his being on Hitlers side for a while in world war II. Ask Jay to take his insults out of his book about Bucky and Anne's dome home and I will buy a copy. The dome is very special it is a copy of a model of a bucky ball carbon molecule known as a buckminsterfullerene named after Bucky in a town named after Carbon, Carbondale. My grand father was a coal miner there and died of black lung. Mean while for those on the list check out Michael Riversongs CD's he did not put his site address on the CD but you can find it by search on mriversong, they are great to hear and play on the computer. Bucky would have loved his harp playing in the 2nd floor of the dome where he would listen to classical music and read in his circular library. Also Motor Heads new CD. Lemmy gave me a copy of his new one. Over Night Sensation. http://www.Imoterhead.com Bucky would have hated this one. See ya! Happy New year! Mickey Bucky wrote the song Roam Home To A Dome in this humble little home and wrote most of his books as well as thought out and presented world game first here in Carbondale. I was there. I do have a letter from the white house saying the are excited about the idea of it becoming a historical project. Hillary is from Illinois. I received a letter from the director of the first lady's correspondence. Do you and Jay take drugs? Why is this such a big topic here? What difference would it make anyway. Why are the high priests of geodesics and the synergetic l, so out of there chair with me. Why don't you and Jay pick on someone your own size. I do not have all this following like you guys to have attack and wolf pack like you are me. Poor little me a poor little unitivitist. BOO! If you get off so much on fighting go ahead go crazy! sacred cow. Happy New Year! Mad sacred cow Kind regards anyway, Mickey Kirby Urner wrote: > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:36:32 -0700, you wrote: > > >Micheal, I take it that cruising around the world in your boat makes you > >pretty accessible to some kick ass drugs, uh? > > Does Michael already cruise the world in his boat? I thought that > was his pipe dream based on a scenario where an angel gives him > 100K for Bucky's old Carbondale dome. In the meantime he serves > up unitivity puke to bolster his reputation as a buckynaut, and > not just a conniving land speculator parasite who thinks "Hitler > Jay" (direct quote re Jay Baldwin) is part of an evil conspiracy > to make him drop the price. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:34:46 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: [synergetics-l] Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > Kirby Urner wrote: > > > I've worked with BFI, did their first website, helped get > > bfi.org registered with the internic, served as webmaster > > for quite awhile, all free of charge. I represented BFI > > at a fullerene conference (paid my own way). When the > > BFI started falling apart, I tried to play a constructive > > role, as one board member after another resigned in protest > > and/or disgust, and good people were let go. > > > > I've written to Allegra recently mentioning you (she went > > through the est Training too by the way, what of it?), > > wondering what this is all about, you posting all this > > wild stuff left and right, hat out for money. Does the > > BFI support you in doing this? I think it cheapens Fuller, > > trivializes his legacy. He wrote to me too, we had a > > relationship. I just don't slather that all over the > > place trying to make a buck. All my website stuff is > > out of my own pocket -- never asked anyone for grants > > or even donations. > > > > The reason drugs come up a lot all of a sudden is you > > write sloppily, just spilling stuff out, making your > > readers swim through huge globs of poorly structured > > thinking, laced with high emotion. Not really my cup > > of tea and I'm in the habit of deleting your stuff > > unread -- but this time you hit my personal inbox, so > > I'm reading and replying (no guarantee I'll do that > > again though). > > > > I'm sure Jay could join the fracas if he wished -- he > > just dashed that quickie reply to me giving me the benefit > > of his views and I shared it with the list. But really, > > I don't think he's giving that dome much thought, nor > > am I. > > > > If you get the 100K, great for you. I'll reserve judgement > > on how appropriate is whatever park/memorial done in Bucky's > > name -- and give what I consider appropriate appreciation > > to whomever is so generous with his/her assets (that wouldn't > > be you of course, as you're not really contributing in this > > scenario, are simply the interim landlord now walking away > > with a hefty sum to do something with unitivity and music > > (probably another reason people bring up drugs -- people > > associate the two, however unfairly)). > > > > I've been working very hard using personal time and assets > > to make Synergetics understandable, comprehensible. My > > website is about Fuller and his life, as well as his ideas. > > But you don't seem to be trying to make Synergetics > > accessible. It's all me me me look at my ideas, copyright > > Michael S. Mitchell and unitivity bullshit. From my point > > of view, you've sold out, are trading on your friendship > > with Bucky to pump up your own sorry sideshow. > > > > I look forward to forgetting about you. Please don't > > try to be my friend. I never want to have anything to do > > with you. Good bye. > > > > Kirby > > --- > You are currently subscribed to synergetics-l as: syntrivity@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-synergetics-l-20117O@telelists.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 05:48:20 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: [synergetics-l] Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. In-Reply-To: <368A9C75.55449260@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Please note that the above was my private email to Michael S. Mitchell, his decision to paste it to GEODESIC for posterity. I won't reciprocate by publishing his long and rather strongly worded email to me, although I reserve that right for a later date, if serious-minded scholarship demands it (probably won't -- and I may have already deleted his letter). I look forward to forgetting about his whole business. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:58:26 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: [synergetics-l] Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. Comments: To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My letter is a copy of that on the list. You started this attitude Mr. Urner. Please others have stated that they think you throw your wonderful weight around in a very selfish way. Please accept my apology for having to force the issue of your constant insults. Try and show that the world can work together and accept my mail of peace to allow others to see that Minnie Riperton songs have a meaning in this world. Kirby Urner wrote: > Please note that the above was my private email to Michael S. Mitchell, > his decision to paste it to GEODESIC for posterity. > > I won't reciprocate by publishing his long and rather strongly worded > email to me, although I reserve that right for a later date, if > serious-minded scholarship demands it (probably won't -- and I may > have already deleted his letter). > > I look forward to forgetting about his whole business. > > Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 05:59:43 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: [synergetics-l] Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. In-Reply-To: <368A9C75.55449260@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Oh wait, I see the guy's poopka to me is on GEODESIC a few posts back. He copied to my inbox and I replied privately. So you've got the two halves of our exchange (apologies to all you poor subscribers enduring this sudden surge in bandwidth -- we've experienced it over on Synergetics-L as well). His starts: "I do have a few interested buyer..." and is datelined: To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:17:51 +0000 So there ya have it. Urner out. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:49:59 -0500 Reply-To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Spaceship Earth Organization: SpaceshipEarth.com Subject: World Man Band (Was: Michael S. Mitchell: our new world man) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: > I have > spent more on making a World Man Band than anyone I know. If anyone > would like to buy a audio tape of my band, the world man band how about > 10 dollars and you send a self addressed tape box to send it back. > Some may consider the name 'World Man Band' to be sexist as it appears to exclude women. A nonsexist name may be more acceptable for the times. Where do we send the ten dollars? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:00:23 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: Alloys melting temp-predicts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01BE3450.90588160" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BE3450.90588160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Micheal Riversong. Your post about frequency got me thinking = about how some alloys are created by using radio frequency induction = systems to melt and to mix up alloys. I'm guessing, for now, there most = be some frequency or bandwidth that works best with some metals and not = with others.=20 Radio frequency induction as also been used to create cyrstals. The = original system for creating cubic zirconium that was developed by = Russian scientists utilizes radio frequencies to create the cyrstals (Or = grow the cyrstals). ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BE3450.90588160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Micheal Riversong. Your post = about=20 frequency got me thinking about how some alloys are created by using = radio=20 frequency induction systems to melt and to mix up alloys. I'm guessing, = for now,=20 there most be some frequency or bandwidth that works best with some = metals and=20 not with others.

Radio frequency induction as also = been used to=20 create cyrstals. The original system for creating cubic zirconium that = was=20 developed by Russian scientists utilizes radio frequencies to create the = cyrstals (Or grow the cyrstals).

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BE3450.90588160-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:12:34 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: Contributions to understanding Synergetic geometry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BE3452.44409B80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BE3452.44409B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think Kirby as done an outstanding job with his website. He's done a = lot in terms of rethinking synergetics.=20 Why I've seen him fending off some serious mathimatical shit that I = couldn't even begin to address.=20 And Kirby's not the only one either as far as original work. I like = Karl's approach for instance to building geodesics with soda straws.... = as goofy or mondane has that may sound (Soda Straws?) his models are = effective. Russel Chu's approach to cyrstal structures is extraordinary. = I wish I could have come up with his crystal stuff, Damn!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BE3452.44409B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think Kirby as done an outstanding = job with=20 his website. He's done a lot in terms of rethinking synergetics. =

Why I've seen him fending off some = serious=20 mathimatical shit that I couldn't even begin to address.

And Kirby's not the only one either = as far as=20 original work. I like Karl's approach for instance to building geodesics = with=20 soda straws.... as goofy or mondane has that may sound (Soda Straws?) = his models=20 are effective. Russel Chu's approach to cyrstal structures is = extraordinary. I=20 wish I could have come up with his crystal stuff, Damn!=20

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BE3452.44409B80-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:22:29 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: More Urner contra Mitchell In-Reply-To: <368AA202.CBFB5CA3@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:58:26 +0000, you wrote: >My letter is a copy of that on the list. > You copied your letter to me to the list, yes. You also copied my private reply to the list. >You started this attitude Mr. Urner. > OK, fine, we can say it that way if you like. >Please others have stated that they think you throw your wonderful weight >around in a very selfish way. I'm sure they have. I've also been up front with "others" re what I think of their wonderful weight and so on and so forth. Not always one big happy family around here -- especially now that you've jumped into our sandbox and started flinging stuff in all directions. Note that I'm not against all wood domes and unless you can supply us with a direct quote, I think you had better not try representing JB's attitude either. Many on this list know that I've long maintained a list of dome vendors gratis at my website (http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/domeman.html), without prejudice against anyone. And yes, I've long been up front about my view that RBF's vision was toward an aerospace sector implementation of his prototypes. But that's kind of a no brainer: if you've studied much Bucky at all you know all about this. See my 'Brainstorming on BuckyWorks' for more info: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/bworks.html That Bucky very much wanted to realize his vision of aerospace sector dwelling machines is probably why some people (maybe Bill Perk) think a more futuristic model showcased in Carbondale would be a much greater tribute to Bucky than making a shrine out of that antique -- a view with some integrity and merit, I think you should admit, even if you choose to disagree. In general, Bucky was suspicious of memorials, statues and all that and Allegra herself, when addressing the audience at the Centennial in San Diego, reiterated that the best way to honor her father was to keep working on his projects, fulfilling his visions of a positive future, and NOT by getting sidetracked into doing memorials. She cited the work Richard Hawkins and I were doing (on a synergetics animation) as an example of the kind of thing people were doing to advance the work. That speech was recorded -- maybe you have the tape? Sure, there's a lot of sentiment swirling around a great man's stuff, including his erstwhile base in Carbondale, and no doubt some family interest in at least seeing the site not completely forgotten (Bear Island was of course closer to Bucky's heart, and is currently not in danger from speculators so far as I know). You're good at milking those sentiments -- and you say you'll use the money for some band (which you've tried to get going before yes?). How do you come off a hero for sitting on this artifact, waiting for someone to buy you out? Like I said, to the donor of the 100K will go the credit, not you. I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that PillowDomes leak BTW. You've thrown out a lot of allegations, used strong language left and right, and then accused others of starting something. And before you accuse me of not reposting the full volume of your contributions to Syn-L (I shared choice excerpts only), let me remind readers that they can drop over to Synergetics-L any time and scan your posts in full (without subscribing to the list): http://lyris1.telelists.com/htbin/lyris.pl?enter=synergetics-l Kirby PS: my private email to you mentioned some of my history with the BFI (first webmaster etc.). I've posted before to this list, and I'll post again, that a personal account providing more details along these lines (and my personal views) is at 'Synergetics on the Web' at http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/bfihist.html. Nothing especially new in the above post. >Please accept my apology for having to force >the issue of your constant insults. Try and show that the world can work >together and accept my mail of peace to allow others to see that Minnie >Riperton songs have a meaning in this world. > >Kirby Urner wrote: > >> Please note that the above was my private email to Michael S. Mitchell, >> his decision to paste it to GEODESIC for posterity. >> >> I won't reciprocate by publishing his long and rather strongly worded >> email to me, although I reserve that right for a later date, if >> serious-minded scholarship demands it (probably won't -- and I may >> have already deleted his letter). >> >> I look forward to forgetting about his whole business. >> >> Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:01:57 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: World Man Band (Was: Michael S. Mitchell: our new world man) Comments: To: mail@SpaceshipEarth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The word man means male and female in the Oxford English and I made the name in 1969. Spaceship Earth wrote: > "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: > > > I have > > spent more on making a World Man Band than anyone I know. If anyone > > would like to buy a audio tape of my band, the world man band how about > > 10 dollars and you send a self addressed tape box to send it back. > > > > Some may consider the name 'World Man Band' to be sexist as it appears > to exclude women. A nonsexist name may be more acceptable for the times. > Where do we send the ten dollars? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:19:33 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: Transporter-Heisenberg need not apply. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE345B.9FAAED00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE345B.9FAAED00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unky Brian, getting back to my comment about transpoters (Star Treky = like) According to Drexler the Heisenberg principle doesn't apply to = building stuff at the atomic level any more than it stops the creation = of DNA strands. Your point has merit and I may not have pointed out that = people would be rebuilt utlizing Drexlers principles of nano = engineering. My main point was that the space guys on the chat site were = fussing about transporting themselves (Atoms and all) at the speed of = light and not taking into consideration that it's the same as if they = were in a spacecraft and being propeled to extremely high relitivistic = speeds. It would be much more energy effecient to just transport the = information.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE345B.9FAAED00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Unky Brian, getting back to my = comment about=20 transpoters (Star Treky like) According to Drexler the Heisenberg = principle=20 doesn't apply to building stuff at the atomic level any more than it = stops the=20 creation of DNA strands. Your point has merit and I may not have pointed = out=20 that people would be rebuilt utlizing Drexlers principles of nano = engineering.=20 My main point was that the space guys on the chat site were fussing = about=20 transporting themselves (Atoms and all) at the speed of light and not = taking=20 into consideration that it's the same as if they were in a spacecraft = and being=20 propeled to extremely high relitivistic speeds. It would be much more = energy=20 effecient to just transport the information.

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE345B.9FAAED00-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:33:30 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Contributions to understanding Synergetic geometry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6C27584BDE006F68694B7B74" --------------6C27584BDE006F68694B7B74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have stated that I have a lot of respect for what kiby Urner has done, the sad thing is he only wants his ideas to sing and the liberty of others becomes alien in his slight of hand. You are the guys with the lock and load on unitivity. Lock and load means you attacked me. I did not start this. As far as the leaks in the pillow dome. Jay told me that it leaked. Allegra has written back and forth with the National Trust of Historical Preservation in 1986 saying that she would like to see the dome in Cardondale made into a site along with the BFI helping anyway they can. You guys are the lock and load gang, now you are backing off when I respond to your repressed attitude toward anyone new. Some of the posts were repeated without me sending them that is under the control of the list manager, or shall I say the high priest of allowing people on the list. Now who is threatening as predicted to kick me off for responding to his insults. Please dear Kirby do not kick me off you will look bad and that is all you are interested in, not synergetics. I want to talk issues not your insults. I am saying that the exploration of the geometry of thinking may need some exploration, I am not forcing my ideas on anyone, that is their choice. You say I am throwing mud because of that. GeT serious. If you kick me off the list it is because you are acting like a spoiled brat, that's all. Like I said, the first one to the water hole gets the deed. I thought you could not take new ideas without freaking out. I was warned that you have to always play up to you and kiss your tetrahedron for you mite get kicked off the list. Now I am willing to talk exploration if you can stand it. See ya! regards, Mickey Mark Somers wrote: > I think Kirby as done an outstanding job with his website. He's done > a lot in terms of rethinking synergetics. Why I've seen him fending > off some serious mathimatical shit that I couldn't even begin to > address. And Kirby's not the only one either as far as original work. > I like Karl's approach for instance to building geodesics with soda > straws.... as goofy or mondane has that may sound (Soda Straws?) his > models are effective. Russel Chu's approach to cyrstal structures is > extraordinary. I wish I could have come up with his crystal stuff, > Damn! --------------6C27584BDE006F68694B7B74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have stated that I have a lot of respect for what kiby Urner has done, the sad thing is he only wants his ideas to sing and the liberty of others becomes alien in his slight of hand.
You are the guys with the lock and load on unitivity. Lock and load means you attacked me. I did not start this. As far as the leaks in the pillow dome. Jay told me that it leaked.

Allegra has written back and forth with the National Trust of Historical Preservation in 1986 saying that she would like to see the dome in Cardondale made into a site along with the BFI helping anyway they can.

You guys are the lock and load gang, now you are backing off when I respond to your repressed attitude toward anyone new. Some of the posts were repeated without me sending them that is under the control of the list manager, or shall I say the high priest of allowing people on the list. Now who is threatening as predicted to kick me off for responding to his insults. Please dear Kirby do not kick me off you will look bad and that is all you are interested in, not synergetics. I want to talk issues not your insults. I am saying that the exploration of the geometry of thinking may need some exploration, I am not forcing my ideas on anyone, that is their choice. You say I am throwing mud because of that. GeT serious. If you kick me off the list it is because you are acting like a spoiled brat, that's all. Like I said, the first one to the water hole gets the deed. I thought you could not take new ideas without freaking out. I was warned that you have to always play up to you and kiss your tetrahedron for you mite get kicked off the list. Now I am willing to talk exploration if you can stand it.

See ya!

regards,

Mickey

Mark Somers wrote:

I think Kirby as done an outstanding job with his website. He's done a lot in terms of rethinking synergetics. Why I've seen him fending off some serious mathimatical shit that I couldn't even begin to address. And Kirby's not the only one either as far as original work. I like Karl's approach for instance to building geodesics with soda straws.... as goofy or mondane has that may sound (Soda Straws?) his models are effective. Russel Chu's approach to cyrstal structures is extraordinary. I wish I could have come up with his crystal stuff, Damn!

--------------6C27584BDE006F68694B7B74-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:31:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: Doobie Doobie do MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE345D.41714DE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE345D.41714DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Micheal Mitchell, you might want to fire up the roach your girlfried = left you and work on your theories a little. You haven't answered any of = the questions or questionings put forth by me or my esteemed colleage = Unky Brian. All you've done is gone on about Keplerian stuff. You ought = not study physics at the UFO websites.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE345D.41714DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Micheal Mitchell, you might want to = fire up the=20 roach your girlfried left you and work on your theories a little. You = haven't=20 answered any of the questions or questionings put forth by me or my = esteemed=20 colleage Unky Brian. All you've done is gone on about Keplerian stuff. = You ought=20 not study physics at the UFO websites.

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE345D.41714DE0-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:41:00 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: Lock and load MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE345E.9E983D20" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE345E.9E983D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Mitchell, the "Lock and Load" thing is joke with Brian = Hutchings, it's not some attack on you. Look Einstein you haven't been = attacked on this thread yet.=20 Man!!! You are one parinoid son of a bitch. Watch out for them black = Helicopters ace. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!!!!!!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE345E.9E983D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Michael Mitchell, the "Lock and = Load"=20 thing is joke with Brian Hutchings, it's not some attack on you. Look = Einstein=20 you haven't been attacked on this thread yet.

Man!!! You are one parinoid son of a = bitch.=20 Watch out for them black Helicopters ace.=20 Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!!!!!!!!!

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE345E.9E983D20-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:49:49 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Subject: Re: Doobie Doobie do MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C0F63F689C55D39DC3F66514" --------------C0F63F689C55D39DC3F66514 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your opinion as well with your lock and load on unitivity. The wolf pack has been answered with the fact that galaxies can have the same speed and radii but have different speeds of sweep out with in them. Your posts are antaganistic to the wicked side and I under stand the freedom of speech is needed. I defended you on my first list statement after joining the bucky country club set. Try and keep your club on the issues not the clubee. Good night. doper. I know you have to be a doper right. Mark Somers wrote: > Micheal Mitchell, you might want to fire up the roach your girlfried > left you and work on your theories a little. You haven't answered any > of the questions or questionings put forth by me or my esteemed > colleage Unky Brian. All you've done is gone on about Keplerian stuff. > You ought not study physics at the UFO websites. --------------C0F63F689C55D39DC3F66514 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your opinion as well with your lock and load on unitivity. The wolf pack has been answered with the fact that galaxies can have the same speed and radii but have different speeds of sweep out with in them. Your posts are antaganistic to the wicked side and I under stand the freedom of speech is needed. I defended you on my first list statement after joining the bucky country club set. Try and keep your club on the issues not the clubee. Good night. doper. I know you have to be a doper right.

Mark Somers wrote:

Micheal Mitchell, you might want to fire up the roach your girlfried left you and work on your theories a little. You haven't answered any of the questions or questionings put forth by me or my esteemed colleage Unky Brian. All you've done is gone on about Keplerian stuff. You ought not study physics at the UFO websites.

--------------C0F63F689C55D39DC3F66514-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:11:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Transporter-Heisenberg need not apply. <> Brian Hutchings 31-DEC-1998 1:11 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us like, no acceleration and deceleration to wrry about (freefall at midway) ?!?... cool. now, "theoretically" the thing (Yusef) can be reassembled perfectly, but only if the original was utterly destroyed; that'd seem to be related to Uncertainty -- all transportation is inherently dangerous! unfortunately, the rank mystics like Bohr, Pauli, Heisenberg et al have reified all that is quantum into QBS -- see Feynman at his handwaving best. the Copenhagen School is hegemonic in the mainstream press, and large swaths of academe, for historically hysterical reasons (viz, "How Bertrand Russel Became an Evil Man", "The Wells of Doom" etc. at http://www.larouchepub.com !-) thus quoth: light and not taking into consideration that it's the same as if they = were in a spacecraft and being propeled to extremely high relitivistic = speeds. It would be much more energy effecient to just transport the = information.=20 --Impeach Sir George Bush, Now! http://www.tarpley.net/bushjfk.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:22:20 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. <> Brian Hutchings 31-DEC-1998 1:22 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us my cents on this is, I'd pay-per-view to see the Carbondale dome -- blown "up" !!... seriously, how about erecting some sort of state-of-art glasshouse over the whole site, creating a nice "in-of-doors" park? I am more interested in The USPO Stamp, belatedly commemorating his 100th B-day -- while there is still mail to snail. no bust o'Bucky, but the folded-out tetrahedron (tetragon) !! thus quoth: there where it inspired me. The dome is a very important part of Bucky and Anne's life as I have letters from the honorable Allegra Fuller Snyder to --Go to the Judiciary Cmte's Gore Transition Team Site! http://www.pornostarr.gov/Republicans"R4"Gore.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:31:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Yep, Dark matter. <> Brian Hutchings 31-DEC-1998 1:31 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us the second may not be constant, but it is hardly "arbitrary" !! also, look up the "Verdi tuning", C=256 cps (powers of 2 per octave), which is "classical", which was arbitrarily "brightened" to the higher A=440 cps, by the Nazis at a British festival -- I kid thee not! (this may be on Tarpley's site, below .-) --The Duke of Oil http://www.tarpley.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:42:59 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Subject: Re: Kirby it is sad to see your mind set Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5AF49CCA6CA1DCBBC89E1739" Mime-Version: 1.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5AF49CCA6CA1DCBBC89E1739 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit God bless you for the new year Kirby, I hope you can talk about synergetics and stop attacking personalities. You do not have the comprehensivity to be friends for those that criticize you, even though you insult them, but try and allow us all to go on as if we are working towards the same goals of love and hope for Bucky and Anne's ideas to grow and help the youth through truth in the world. Peace, Mickey --------------5AF49CCA6CA1DCBBC89E1739 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="kirby hate mail.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="kirby hate mail.txt" Subject: [synergetics-l] Re: Unitivity and lock and load with Unky Brian. Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:24:27 +0000 From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Reply-To: "synergetics-l" X-To: "synergetics-l" Michael S. Mitchell wrote: > Kirby Urner wrote: > > > I've worked with BFI, did their first website, helped get > > bfi.org registered with the internic, served as webmaster > > for quite awhile, all free of charge. I represented BFI > > at a fullerene conference (paid my own way). When the > > BFI started falling apart, I tried to play a constructive > > role, as one board member after another resigned in protest > > and/or disgust, and good people were let go. > > > > I've written to Allegra recently mentioning you (she went > > through the est Training too by the way, what of it?), > > wondering what this is all about, you posting all this > > wild stuff left and right, hat out for money. Does the > > BFI support you in doing this? I think it cheapens Fuller, > > trivializes his legacy. He wrote to me too, we had a > > relationship. I just don't slather that all over the > > place trying to make a buck. All my website stuff is > > out of my own pocket -- never asked anyone for grants > > or even donations. > > > > The reason drugs come up a lot all of a sudden is you > > write sloppily, just spilling stuff out, making your > > readers swim through huge globs of poorly structured > > thinking, laced with high emotion. Not really my cup > > of tea and I'm in the habit of deleting your stuff > > unread -- but this time you hit my personal inbox, so > > I'm reading and replying (no guarantee I'll do that > > again though). > > > > I'm sure Jay could join the fracas if he wished -- he > > just dashed that quickie reply to me giving me the benefit > > of his views and I shared it with the list. But really, > > I don't think he's giving that dome much thought, nor > > am I. > > > > If you get the 100K, great for you. I'll reserve judgement > > on how appropriate is whatever park/memorial done in Bucky's > > name -- and give what I consider appropriate appreciation > > to whomever is so generous with his/her assets (that wouldn't > > be you of course, as you're not really contributing in this > > scenario, are simply the interim landlord now walking away > > with a hefty sum to do something with unitivity and music > > (probably another reason people bring up drugs -- people > > associate the two, however unfairly)). > > > > I've been working very hard using personal time and assets > > to make Synergetics understandable, comprehensible. My > > website is about Fuller and his life, as well as his ideas. > > But you don't seem to be trying to make Synergetics > > accessible. It's all me me me look at my ideas, copyright > > Michael S. Mitchell and unitivity bullshit. From my point > > of view, you've sold out, are trading on your friendship > > with Bucky to pump up your own sorry sideshow. > > > > I look forward to forgetting about you. Please don't > > try to be my friend. I never want to have anything to do > > with you. Good bye. > > > > Kirby > > --- > You are currently subscribed to synergetics-l as: syntrivity@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-synergetics-l-20117O@telelists.com --- You are currently subscribed to synergetics-l as: syntrivity@earthlink.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-synergetics-l-20117O@telelists.com --------------5AF49CCA6CA1DCBBC89E1739-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:45:28 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Subject: Re: Michael S. Mitchell: our new world man Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. These are statements back to those who have done unto me first. I say to you, " KIRBY DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU!" this goes for Jay Baldwin as well and Bill Perk. I was a student under these people once and it felt just like you on your list. Cramped for freedom of thinking the truth. Love the world and it will love you back. Take it from a real world man. unitivitist ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:14:41 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Subject: Kirby it is sad to see your mind set Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Kirby is stating on the synergetic lists making allegations that did not happen. It is sad Kirby to see you flop like a dead fish. You refuse to be friends for the sake of the list. I will apologize if you will try and show others that this is stupid and accept my appeal to make friends. Tit for tat is such a stupid game. You are so stupid to make it get to this point. Happy New Year. I am fighting this to show you that you cannot do this dictatorship to everyone. I have at least 3 e mails that your attitude is bad and they think you should clean your act out. Your dark side is not the bucky attitude to take. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:42:12 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Michael S. Mitchell" Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Subject: Re: World Man Band (Was: Michael S. Mitchell: our new world man) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 E mail me personally or send it to Mickey's space ship shuttle, 13800 Tahiti Way, Boat Box number 37, Marina Del Rey, CA 90292 Thank you for your interest. Happy New year. Tapes only now. I am working on making CD's. Spaceship Earth wrote: > "Michael S. Mitchell" wrote: > > > I have > > spent more on making a World Man Band than anyone I know. If anyone > > would like to buy a audio tape of my band, the world man band how about > > 10 dollars and you send a self addressed tape box to send it back. > > > > Some may consider the name 'World Man Band' to be sexist as it appears > to exclude women. A nonsexist name may be more acceptable for the times. > Where do we send the ten dollars? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:58:49 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Kirby it is sad to see your mind set In-Reply-To: <368AA5D1.DA78B38E@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:14:41 +0000, you wrote: >Kirby is stating on the synergetic lists making allegations that did not >happen. Care to be specific? >It is sad Kirby to see you flop like a dead fish. Flop flop. Dead fish are kwell. >You refuse to be friends for the sake of the list. "For the sake of the list" would be a really stupid basis for friendship. Whaddya take me for, some kinda politician? >I will apologize if you will try and show others that this is stupid and >accept >my appeal to make friends. Tit for tat is such a stupid game. You are >so >stupid to make it get to this point. Happy New Year. I don't make friends in response to threats. How sick and twisted of you. Flop flop. >I am fighting this to show you that you cannot do this dictatorship to >everyone. What dictatorship? I don't even know most of the people on any of these lists. My little posts flop into their inboxes and they either read them or delete them. Wow, heavy control. >I have at least 3 e mails that your attitude is bad and they think you >should >clean your act out. Your dark side is not the bucky attitude to take. I don't care what you have. I'm not about to live my life by your judgements. I have my freedom to speak out, and to not be your friend, and I'm planning to exercise both. Sorry. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:01:59 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Michael S. Mitchell: our new world man In-Reply-To: <368A66B7.9A43108C@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT >Love the world and it will love you back. >Take it from a real world man. Since we're keeping score, I've been around the world more times than you: twice. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:35:18 GMT Reply-To: urner@alumni.Princeton.EDU Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Kirby Urner Subject: Re: Contributions to understanding Synergetic geometry In-Reply-To: <368AC65A.10D205D2@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT >means you attacked me. I did not start this. As far as the leaks in >the pillow dome. Jay told me that it leaked. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ OK, thank you. So now I can write to Jay and confirm this. That's all I needed, was something other than a baseless allegation. > Allegra has written back and forth with the National Trust of >Historical Preservation in 1986 saying that she would like to see the >dome in Cardondale made into a site along with the BFI helping anyway >they can. > I'm not sure Allegra realizes to what extent she's being taken advantage of by you. But she's a smart lady and maybe can figure it out on her own. I'm not anxious to insert myself any further into the matter, which isn't really my business. Best wishes on your venture, is the best I can come up with. Happy new year and all that. Flop flop. > You guys are the lock and load gang, now you are backing off when I >respond to your repressed attitude toward anyone new. Some of the posts >were repeated without me sending them that is under the control of the >list manager, or shall I say the high priest of allowing people on the >list. Now who is threatening as predicted to kick me off for responding >to his insults. Wrong. Insulting posts happen routinely all over the internet and I don't really mind them much, directed at me or whomever. But I do pay for disk space and Synergetics-L is my list, paid for by my company. The ground rules (web published) state that no one has an automatic right to be on it. I've very rarely kicked anyone off but if you keep posting the same thing over and over, that's a sign you don't operate the technology at the level necessary to participate effectively. Nothing to do with insults. I kinda like having you around in fact, as an example of what we're up against on the PR front. With "friends" like you on board, who needs enemies? And that's just my list I'm talking about, Synergetics-L, not GEODESIC, over which I exercise no control, am just one more subscriber with no more "power" than yourself. Your allegation that you are not responsible for the multiple copies, that the list manager is, is completely bogus. In the case of Synergetics-L, I don't prescreen or facilitate the posting process in any manner -- the posts just appear and I see them when others do. And GEODESIC isn't moderated either. You said yourself you would be re-posting, to counter possible interceptions (paranoia on your part), plus we see you quoting yourself, plus we see the email is from you in the header -- this shows you and you alone were behind the multiple copies. But you seem incapable of taking responsibility even for this bare fact. You blame "the wolf pack" or "the Bucky club" for your miserable performance -- all your inventions, the product of your sicko-pathetic imagination. But your attitude certainly has a way of creating new realities. Prophecies can be self-fulfilling. >Please dear Kirby do not kick me off you will look bad >and that is all you are interested in, not synergetics. I want to talk >issues not your insults. I am saying that the exploration of the >geometry of thinking may need some exploration, I am not forcing my >ideas on anyone, that is their choice. You say I am throwing mud >because of that. GeT serious. If you kick me off the list it is No, I say you're throwing mud because you make allegation after allegation. You attack personalities and character as much as any I've seen, which is fine with me. What's weird is how you mix your personal attacks with sychophantic protests of friendship, little hallmark greetings with lofty-sounding words. You suck up and lash out both at the same time. I guess that's why David Chako asked if you were "passive-aggressive". >because you are acting like a spoiled brat, that's all. Like I said, the >first one to the water hole gets the deed. I thought you could not take >new ideas without freaking out. I was warned that you have to always >play up to you and kiss your tetrahedron for you mite get kicked off the >list. Now I am willing to talk exploration if you can stand it. > In the years of operation since 1995, I've only kicked two people off the list. Brian Hutchings, because he was going on and on about the OJ trial, and I had warned him Synergetics-L wasn't just an anything-goes soap box. He's posting freely to GEODESIC saying whatever he wants these days, so I can't see that I've really cramped his style. And Tom Mandel, who wanted off anyway and was just getting a lot of abuse (more from others than from me). Two kicks in over 3 years, with over 80 people on my list these days. Lots of people have disagreed with me and told me stuff to my face what they think and they're still on my list, no problem. I like it when they're up front of course, not trading privately behind my back about what a big creep I am, but what the hell, it's a free country and I'm not a politician trying to be a crowd-pleaser. I'm just some guy. If people hate my guts, I don't really mind. If I kick you off Synergetics-L, it will be in consultation with Karl, my co-administrator. Probably it won't happen -- only if you keep posting copy after copy of the very same thing. All that fills the archives, and I pay for disk space. I see you and you alone as responsible for those multiple copies. Plus it's true that I didn't much appreciate your taking a private email from me to you and copying it around the internet. I've occassionally posted private email to a website, but I always think carefully about doing so, keeping in mind my relationship to the sender and assessing whether this is the kind of mail that should be declassified in the public domain. Now that I know your habits, I'm unlikely to send you anything confidential or sensitive. I simply don't trust you and no, of course I don't want to be your friend "for the sake of the list" (chuckle). If I kick you off Synergetics-L (my proprietary list, run by my company, for which I pay) you will still be able to post as many copies as you like to GEODESIC. The only people I've seen kicked off this list are outright pornographers (one of whom got in serious trouble with his university). So post to GEODESIC to your heart's content (although for the sake of readers here, I hope you don't just keep recycling what you've already posted -- try to keep it new and fresh is my advice, if at all possible). OK, enough from my corner. Happy posting. Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:23:33 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Somers Subject: 'A Fuller Explanation' Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE34C9.259141E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE34C9.259141E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought I was done with Amy Edmondson's book 'A Fuller Explanation' http://www.angelfire.com/mt/marksomers/40.html then I decided to completely link the index. http://www.angelfire.com/mt/marksomers/148a.html=20 This will take awhile. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE34C9.259141E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I thought I was done with Amy = Edmondson's book=20 'A Fuller Explanation'

http://www.angelf= ire.com/mt/marksomers/40.html

then I decided to completely = link the=20 index.

http://www.ange= lfire.com/mt/marksomers/148a.html=20

This will take awhile.

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE34C9.259141E0-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:49:52 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: David Anderson Subject: Constructing Geodesic Patch Surfaces, Part 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE34DD.976A5EA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE34DD.976A5EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After a mathematical hiatus, a new installment... http://w3.one.net/~monkey/geodesics/folding An exploration of simple folding and cutting... Happy New Year! - Dave ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE34DD.976A5EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

After a mathematical hiatus, a new=20 installment...

http://w3.one.net/~m= onkey/geodesics/folding

An exploration of simple folding and = cutting...

Happy New Year! - Dave

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE34DD.976A5EA0-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:01:47 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Buckminster Fuller Comments: To: Carl Schmidt In-Reply-To: <368BA3F9.934E5A72@sedona.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl, The only thing that I can think of at the moment is the 114 items listed in "Synergetics': 48 Discoveries and 66 Corollaries. See section 251.00 for the Discoveries http://www.servtech.com/~rwgray/synergetics/toc/frameit.html See section 240.00 for the Corollaries http://www.servtech.com/~rwgray/synergetics/toc/frameit.html There's also his list of 26 USA patents. And I just remembered--There's 157 "I Figure That..." in 'Ideas and Integrities', pages 90-118. Joe S Moore joemoore@cruzio.com Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schmidt [mailto:sedonav@sedona.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1998 8:19 AM > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Subject: Buckminster Fuller > > Hi, > I am writing a book, and have searched at length to find a > collection of ideas that are attributed to Buckminster Fuller. > Specifically I am interested in what a friend refered to as: "158 > Significant Realizations." > The actual number, "158" may not be correct, but this is what I > recall from our conversation. Are you familiar with this? > I would be very happy if you could share any information you might > have about this... or direct me to a written source. > > Thanks, > Carl Schmidt > sedonav@sedona.net >