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From:         Dev Britto <dtbritto@INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA>
Subject:      Fuller Projection: A computer simulation?
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Fuller Projection: Proposal for a computer simulation

The tremendous achievement of the Fuller Projection is evident in its low
distortion and many permutations (in how many different ways can the
triangular facets be arranged?). So what lies in the way of its widespread
adoption? Some inklings:

1.)     Fuller made the copyright available only when national boundaries are
not represented. This may lessen its value to government agencies
[including the UN, see Kirby's http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/dymax.html]
and therefore to the educational institutions these agencies oversee.
2.)     Some may perceive the projection and its baggage as a symbol of and/or
tool for evil one-world-domination.
3.)     It is aesthetically confusing at a superficial level, with all those
jagged, sawtooth edges.
4.)     Further to the above, it splits apart many surface zones of the earth
with empty triangular gaps ("wherein there resideth monsters"). The
dymaxion map on my wall has 24 edges where one may fall off the planet,
while the Mercator, Peterson, etc. maps have only 4.
5.)     It is based on a geometry which is alien to most people, for purely
educational reasons.

I am not especially paranoid about world governments, covert or otherwise
(though maybe I should be). I do however, think that the Fuller Projection
can and should be used for the benefit of everyone, and should be in every
school, bank, travel agency, higher office, etc., without political
boundaries, but not necessarily without highlighted inventories of the
world's resources.

But I also think that the development of the map is not complete. Its
jagged edges and many countours may still or forever be too off-putting at
a gut level for much of the unwary public. Maybe I'm way off base here, but
I'd like to pitch an idea anyway, feel free to run with it or shoot it down
as you see fit, here it comes:

Develop a computer program that is able to 1) rearrange the triangles of
the Fuller Projection, highly resolved with optimal satellite imagery, on a
flatland (hexagonal) grid according to the simple rule that adjacent pieces
must correspond to spherical triangles also adjacent on the earth's
surface; and 2) retransform them onto a "spherical" projection of the earth
[in the same manner as Chris Rywalt's animation at
http://www.westnet.com/%7Ecrywalt/unfold.html but possibly including
features found in Dirk Djuga's remarkable Winglobe program, see
http://www.djuga.net/winglobe.html], which can then be re-triangulated and
flattened out in any number of new ways (GO TO 1).

These rearrangements could be user-directed, or put on auto-pilot to
generate an endless, kaleidoscopically shifting review of the planet. We
would, in essence, have a dynamic map of the earth (as I recall, "dynamic"
is one of the roots of "dymaxion" - so maybe all this is old hat). At the
very least it would make great art, at best it could help enlighten the
public about Fuller's aspirations for humanity, not to mention give them a
glimpse of "the invention behind the invention."

Dev


>Why no Fuller Projection in the schools?  I lost my job
>at McGraw-Hill over that issue.[1]  Once you add that to
>the concentric hierarchy (whole volumes, tetrahedrally
>informed) on the list of omitted curriculum topics, it's
>hard to see how public schools claim to be operating in
>the USA tradition, what with our USA Medal of Freedom
>winner so pointedly ignored and/or repressed.
>
>Looks to me that some alien ideology has control of our
>USA school system, and is brainwashing the kids to forget
>their American Heritage.  So where are the fighters?
>Or are we all cowards in the Fuller School (not me!).
>End monkey-brain rule of humanity![2]
>
>-- Kirby
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Date:         Mon, 1 May 2000 08:08:44 -0700
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From:         Mark Siegmund <siegmund@THEGRID.NET>
Subject:      Alien Landed?
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At 10:18 PM 04/30/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Fuller Projection: Proposal for a computer simulation
>

I think Dev makes some good points in his post, and that
computer animation he proposes would make a fun clip for my
videogrammatron database.[1]

Look through the eyes of a young school kid today.  We're doing
the 25th anniversary of the end of the war in Indochina in
the media.  The Bay of Pigs thing is also getting some press,
partly because of the dom-rel case in Miami.[2]  These are
like puzzle pieces -- what does it all mean, when assembled?

But unless you have the Fuller School's contributions in the
picture (a term I use as an umbrella concept, to give a
sense of numerous individuals working on partially overlapping
projects, solo and in teams), you won't really appreciate some
of the most important threads running through all of these
events.

You simply can't tell the story of USA history down to the year
2000 if you bleep over this angle.  Just saying "oh Bucky, he
was that dome guy" (a kind of P.T. Barnum for hippies -- one
of their gurus), doesn't even begin to tell the story.

If you tug on the Fuller Projection, you get to the World Game
workshops, plus the harvesting of global data on a massive scale
in order to debunk Malthusian assumptions -- to fight knee-jerk
reflex-conditioning which, as Col. L. Fletcher Prouty clearly
lays out in his books, makes it basically OK to invest in
killingry on a vast scale, and use it.  And allowing huge
populations to fall victim to famine and disease: well that's
kind of the _point_ of Malthusian programming, now isn't it?

Now who is Prouty?  Not some academic lurker with no first hand
experience in government.  He was the top liason between the
USAF and the CIA for years and years in the Pentagon, right
through that Bay of Pigs business.  He was fictionally
portrayed by Donald Sutherland as "Man X" in Oliver Stone's
semi-fictionalized movie 'JFK' -- but is also a real guy, with
lots of interesting stories to tell.  Plus Prouty mentions
'Critical Path' (by Bucky) as an important source.

Here's what Prouty writes about Malthusianism:

  The East India Company founded Haileybury College in England to
  train its young employees in business, the military arts, and
  the special skills of religious missionaries.  By 1800 it became
  necessary to initiate the task of making an Earth inventory, that
  is, to find out what was out there in the way of natural resources,
  population, land, and other tangible assets.  The first man
  assigned the official responsibility for this enormously vital
  job was the head of the Department of Economics of Haileybury
  College.

  This man was Thomas Malthus, who, in 1805, postulated the idea
  that humanity is multiplying its numbers at a geometric rate
  while increasing its life-support capability at only an
  arithemetic rate.  As a result, it has been universally concluded
  by the power elite that only a relatively few humans are destined
  to survive successfully in generations to come.  The Malthusian
  theory thus provides a rationalization for the necessity of
  somehow getting rid of large numbers of people, any people,
  in any way -- even genocide.  With the Malthusian theory as
  the power elite's philosophical guide, this becomes an
  acceptable objective because, they believe, Earth will never
  be able to support the progeny of so many anyhow.  From this
  point of view, genocide -- then as now -- is accepted as all
  but inevitable.  Who cares and why be concerned?

  Col. L. Fletcher Prouty (USA Air Force, Ret.)
  'JFK' (1992)

[more context: http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=465690449&fmt=text ]

Sounds a lot like Bucky, doesn't it?

And this really is the key question, posed by World Game all along:
is there a way of deploying assets that will support life globally,
and not make this an "us versus them" war of attrition over
scarce resources?

The rationale for the space ray guns is to keep "rogue states" from
threatening the lower-48 (I'm not sure what else is covered).

But "rogue state" might simply be an entity which doesn't see a way
to bow down to a dominant world order and pay homage to its
imperial masters.  It so happens that the USA itself was very
much such a "rogue state" at one time, and fought a war of
independence (which it won) against England, in order to provide
alternative ways of life not governed and/or authorized by
the UK-based power-elites.

It's because of this anti-imperialist beginning (fighting to get
free of the British Empire) that the USA "national identity" (if
we agree on such a thing -- anthropological evidence for it
exists) has always been somewhat schizo when it comes to other
countries going through a similar chapter.

Take Vietnam for example.  When WWII ended, Ho Chi Minh was
ready for independence from the French Empire.  And who was
at his side?  The OSS -- Americans.  Where did Ho look for
inspiration for his new government?  The US Constitution.

Here's a novel on the subject (which I haven't read yet).
At the Amazon.com website, we find the author's remarks:

  From the Author
  Did you know that-- Ho Chi Minh, best known as
  the father of Communist Vietnam, during World War II
  rescued our downed pilots and provided information
  on Japanese troop movements?

  That our Navy and OSS loved him? That they trained
  his men, supplied him, financed him?

  That, although trained in Moscow, he was by 1942
  primarily a nationalist seeking independence for
  his country?

  That he adopted a constitution similar to ours and
  declared independence in the words of the American
  Declaration of Independence, identifying it and quoting?

  That he disbanded the Communist Party and called for
  a general election with all parties participating?

  That until late 1945, the Americans on the scene
  were treated as heroes, loved and celebrated by
  everyone?

This cross-checks with Prouty (I own his CDROM, which has his
books and is keyword searchable):

  After his long struggle on the side of the United States
  and the Chinese against the Japanese, and with concrete
  evidence of U.S. support in the form of a vast shipment
  of arms, Ho Chi Minh had good reason to believe that his
  days of fighting to end French domination of his country
  were coming to a close.

  The Japanese had surrendered and were leaving. The French
  had been defeated by the Japanese and would not return --
  or so he thought. Meanwhile, in the streets of Hanoi,
  agents of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the
  forerunner of the CIA, continued to work with the Vietminh,
  who had rapidly taken control of North Vietnam when the
  Japanese war effort had collapsed.

  Vo Nguyen Giap, Ho's brilliant military commander, while
  serving as Minister of the Interior of the provisional
  government, delivered a speech describing the United States
  as a good friend of the Vietminh. That, too, was in
  September 1945.

  The manipulative strings of the power elite had not yet
  been pulled. The political roles had not yet been changed.
  It would take a few years of skillful propaganda to prepare
  the world for the new "communist" scenario. It would take
  a few years to create a new enemy -- the Soviets and communism,
  and new friends -- the former fascists, Germany, Italy and
  Japan, who were now to be known as friendly "anti-communists."

      [Col. Fletcher Prouty, JFK, Chapter 4, Collected Works
       CDROM ]

In the meantime, we have a useful artifact, a tool for analysis,
from our USA-Medal-of-Freedom-winner Bucky:  LAWCAP, or lawyer-
capitalism, behind which operates the Malthusian mindset.[3]

With the end of FDR New Deal style government in the USA, you
got the rise of something President Eisenhower dubbed the
"military-industrial complex".  It's LAWCAP that needed what
USA-Medal-of-Freedom-winner Bucky called "World War III" (what
most of us call the Cold War) and help turn the wheels of the
propaganda machine such that Americans ended up going to
Vietnam, and dying in large numbers, in support of a puppet
regime (former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, one of
the JFK-era "best and brightest" has since apologized --
has realized this was probably not a smart move after all).

Writes Bucky:

   The Russians had assumed in their five-year planning that
   when World War II terminated, they would be able to divert
   all their high industrial productivity toward advantaging
   all their people to prove that socialism could produce an
   economically desirable life-style equal to or better than
   that provided by capitalism. Again the Russian planning
   became thwarted when Western capitalism, which had been
   socialized by FDR's New Deal, realized at the cessation
   of World War II that it could not carry on without the
   vast government procurement program which is occasioned
   only by war. To cope with this situation the capitalists
   invented World War III (which they called the cold war).

   The Russians queried of the U.S., their supposed ally,
   "Who are you going to fight?" and the U.S.A. answered,
   "You."

   This meant that the U.S.S.R. would have to focus all its
   high-science-and-technology productivity on producing
   armaments for decades of around-the-world cold warring,
   in the conduct of which both the Russians and the U.S.A.
   would have to avoid direct, all-out interconfrontation.
   With the joining of supreme-powers war by direct military
   confrontation, neither side could withdraw without all-out
   surrender. However, all-out intercontinental atomic war
   would mean the end of human life on Earth. Therefore,
   the U.S.A. and U.S.S.R., in testing their respective
   strengths, would have to operate indirectly against one
   another through their respective puppet nations, hopefully
   intent on drawing forth the "secret weapons" in the other's
   arsenals. Thus we have the North versus the South Koreans,
   the "Vietnamese" versus the Vietcong, the Israelis versus
   the Arabs, etc.

And we see the same thing going on today.  The proposed star
wars system is about government spending, finding a legally
piggily way to squander billions in congressional districts
where the local economy absolutely depends on high tech
engineering jobs.  But when it comes to high tech, might not
GRUNCH be ready for something more interesting than more
weaponry?[4]

Meanwhile, the expectation is we'll have lots of "rogue states"
because the global shortage of resources (Malthusian model),
is going to cause some states to be on the losing side, where
they'll need to be demonized as "the enemy" to all right-
thinking people (North Korea a prime example).  These demons
will provide the backdrop against which a high level of military
spending (I call this "military Orwellianism" as it very closely
matches the circumstances satirized in '1984').[5]

In 'Grunch of Giants', the sequel to 'Critical Path', LAWCAP
continues to grow in power to where the "U.S.A. we have known"
is finally overwhelmed [6], meaning (here's my Fuller Schooler
interpretation): if there's still a USA in this picture, firmly
anchored by the Declaration of Independence and Constitution,
it's probably struggling for survival against the failed legacy
Malthusian ideologies that continue to pull strings in high
offices (is fighting the obsolete reflex conditioning, that
would strait-jacket us into living a dreary, miserable life
in some distopian corporate thralldom, vs. remaining a land
of the free, home of the brave, and source of hope and democracy
on the world scene (yes, this is all pure spin, and I'm good
at my job)).

This is all just background, stage setting.  But unless
school kids are given a peak under the hood, to see the
actual machinery, there's little chance they'll understand
current events, or the role of the Fuller School within it.

The Fuller Projection is a handle, something tangible, colorful,
sharable, that connects back to all this more invisible and
metaphysical stuff.  Ultimately, our American Heritage is
highly ephemeralized, being thought-stuff.

Fortunately, stuff such as the above is what's being studied
more and more in the USA's war colleges.  We're not about
to bring new military officers on-line who don't at least
know the basics.  'Synergetics' is on the reading list as
well of course, although a lot of time is spent analyzing
the somewhat more accessible secondary literature that has
surfaced since the 1970s (e.g. my websites).[7]

Kirby
a Fuller Schooler

Notes:
[1] http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/videogrammatron.html
[2] "dom-rel" -- domestic relations = messy area of practice
[3] http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/gst2.html
[4] http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/docs/planning.html
[5] http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/proUSA.html
[6] http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/grunch.html
[7] http://inetarena.com/~pdx4d/afsc/fp.html
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At 08:08 AM 05/01/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi, here's a jpg attachment of a spherical dome home at the entrance to the
>Ford Proving Grounds at Yucca, AZ--between Needles, CA and Kingma, AZ on
>I-40

I've driven buy that thing -- looked in more delapidated condition
than in this bright, populated picture.  Even more alien-looking
when deserted.  Drivers-by might easily confuse it with Area 51.

Kirby
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   01-MAY-2000  6:35
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 I'll take it up at the place where you were cut-off,
 for some reason, after footnote 5.

 the unfortunate designation of "British Liberal Free Trade,"
 as capitalism, was the chief "fallout" of "WW3" (as per Bucky,
 meaning the Cold War.  that by-rpoxy war was "programmed"
 by the weak president, Truman, who was prevailed-upon
 to begin the nuclear age by lobbing all of our nukes
 at Hiroshima "and Nagasaki, two," over MacArthur's head.
    "capitalism" was defined by Gauss, to mean,
 "leveraging the productive powers of labor per capita;"
 it's an economical term, and does not refer to patterns of ownership,
 and certainly not to the feudal doctrine of *laissez-faire,
 laissez-passe*, nor the  system of *rentier-financiers*,
 which might be cognate with Bucky's LAWCAP.  but,
 that was the British seed that was planted by Faquhar,
 the head librarian at the London Libray, in Marx's fertile mind!
    I had not known that Haileybury College was also a missionary-
 school, but should have reasoned, so, as a Royal Appendage
 of the actual government of Great Britain, the Company, should be.
 (there's a conference, locally, run by the new Episcopate,
 which features the would-be Secty.of State of Bush, Again!,
 who worked for Bush, Enough!, and was described
 in the LATimes as a "community activist & attorney;"
 she also was recently on the board of the "WAND" Corp. !-)
    anyway, malthus didn't "postulate" malthusianism, but
 plagiarized Ortes, a nast, old, Venetian monk.  or to paraphrase
 Bertie Russell, "means that are odious, but what of it?"
    the original intent of SDI was not as its current (and
 Bush-his-jacked) version,
 the bogus missile-on-missile "NMD," but to make nukes obsolete
 -- or s0me thing
 (the Soviets were actually doing it, firstly (not the Cold War)).

 as for the "antrhopological evidence of  the USA identity,"
 please, you are getting into British logisitics, like the Smithsonian's!...
 true, the affectation of "rogue nations" is promoted by Yahoo!s,
 such as the Gore-appointees in the Cabinet, and was laid
 upon the nascent USA, I suppose.  anyway,
 the key moment was, as you said, "Vietnam til '45" vis-a-vu
 Americans, after Roosevelt died, and the UN system was subverted
 into a sort of retrocolonial edifice (IMF/WB/GATT/WTO etc.)
    things (and ****) don't merely occur....  and,
 as for the Bay of Pigs --Solomon's judgement may
 have to reign o'er Little Elian's halves, per "dom-rel"--
 the key reference is http://www.tarpley.net/bushjfk.htm --
 take their minds of the grim-faced consumerist boy, and
 get the Cubanos out of covert ops, once and for all!

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm

 PS: "JFK" was not so-much "semi-fictionmalized,"
 as rewritten by a team of writers, from Mark Lane's script
 --after it was "leaked" to the maddening crowd;
 Proutty is a *superb* source on the assassination;
 it's what made him resign his commission.
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   01-MAY-2000  6:55
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 http://www.westnet.com/%7Ecrywalt/unfold.html

 cool.
    it's easy to get-around Bucky's patent.  for the icosah.proj.,
 just use any other simple projection (if not "gnomonic"), and/or
 any other triangulation.  otherwise,
 just use the hexahedron!
    seriously, since he didn't patent it,
 the tetrahedral projection is perfectly ideal
 for dysplays, if only for the obvious reason(s).
    really, the fact that the "cube" makes more dystortion
 of everything (and is unsuitable for manual navigation,
 as are all polyhedral ones) is of no matter,
 given such an animation, which does supercede Bucky's program,
 somewhat, of having a very large one do that.  of course,
 there's nothing like brining the whole fam damily
 to a nice Nuremberg-style rally, in a stadium-with-Dymaxion (tm) !!

 --The End Was Nigh!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   01-MAY-2000  7:02
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 unless, it *is* "more complicated than necessary" --
 as it often is, because "necessity" was not proved (or
 perhaps sufficiency;
 this is the essential Leibnizian duad, or what ever,
 which Ockham does not account with his empricisim.

 thus quoth:
  > I can't figure it out. Something shouldn't be more than necessary or only
 much
  > as necessary. What's it mean? Is it your opinion, or your employer's?

  :-)

  It's Ockham's Razor.  "Things should not be more complicated
  than necessary".
  - Dan

  --
  Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   01-MAY-2000  7:11
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 wow; if everyone's knees are jerking like that,
 I hope you're wearing your codpiece!
    anyway, if you're going to use Teddy Roosevelt's definition
 of JQAdams' elaboration of Manifest Destiny (the Monroe Doctrine),
 or Al Haig's, then
 you are just not proficient-enough with the ol'tongue-pad
 (read the How-to-RectalDisplayUnit .-)

 thus quoth:
  stand from those who would espouse Manifest Destiny
  (the right of the U.S.A. to dominate global affairs
  to the detriment of others - an ideology I consider

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushint.htm
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At 07:11 AM 05/01/2000 -0700, you wrote:
><<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   01-MAY-2000  7:11
>                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
> wow; if everyone's knees are jerking like that,
> I hope you're wearing your codpiece!

I can't speak for others, but in my case it's more that
you're not telling me anything new.  I've read Tarpley
already, and have independent access to as much LaRouchie
stuff as I want.  It suffers in translation into Hutchings
IMO (quasi-Anglo, for all your bluster) i.e. I'd rather
just read the websites/mags (as time permits).

Kirby
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At 06:35 AM 05/01/2000 -0700, you wrote:
><<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   01-MAY-2000  6:35
>                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
>
> I'll take it up at the place where you were cut-off,
> for some reason, after footnote 5.

Not cut off when it came back, nor in the archives.  Perhaps
your email reader and/or account has a length limit?  Was
289 lines as posted.

If you want to read the full text in your web browser,
I've linked it from my Editorials / Opinion section at
http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ku_gall.html (Recent
USA History 101) -- this is via deja.com into newsgroups,
where I copied the essay (one sentence fixed, intro
prepended).

Kirby
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Kirby you're so right--especially noting that just behind our "UFO" are the
security gates to the Ford Proving Grounds--could Henry Ford have been an
alien?

Cheers,
Mark

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>
> At 08:08 AM 05/01/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>> Hi, here's a jpg attachment of a spherical dome home at the entrance to the
>> Ford Proving Grounds at Yucca, AZ--between Needles, CA and Kingma, AZ on
>> I-40
>
> I've driven buy that thing -- looked in more delapidated condition
> than in this bright, populated picture.  Even more alien-looking
> when deserted.  Drivers-by might easily confuse it with Area 51.
>
> Kirby
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At 06:55 AM 05/01/2000 -0700, you wrote:
><<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   01-MAY-2000  6:55
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>
> http://www.westnet.com/%7Ecrywalt/unfold.html
>
> cool.
>    it's easy to get-around Bucky's patent.  for the icosah.proj.,
> just use any other simple projection (if not "gnomonic"), and/or
> any other triangulation.

Wouldn't be a Fuller Projection then (which isn't gnomonic)
-- and what's trademarked is more the layout, how to splay
the low-distortion continents sans sinus-breakup (Dev is
correct this means a fancier cut, but what you get in trade
is a far more credible depiction with _no_ distortional
sacrifice at the poles (and these days, the poles get a
lot more focus -- are "Poles of Science!" as Bill Nye
might exult -- so we don't want to distort them)).

Minus this trademarked layout, there's very little naked-
eye difference between the FP and Snyder's (or the gnomonic
for that matter), as Bob Gray's studies clearly show.

See: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/dymax.html for more
details/links.

> otherwise, just use the hexahedron!

Dumb.
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At 02:44 PM 05/01/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Kirby you're so right--especially noting that just behind our "UFO" are the
>security gates to the Ford Proving Grounds--could Henry Ford have been an
>alien?
>
>Cheers,
>Mark

He did suffer from an imported/alien mental disorder known as
"anti-Semitism" they tell me.  Like alcoholism, it's treatable.

Kirby
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Bucky's 1980 map (Carl Solway Gallery, Cincinnati, OH, USA)

 http://www.artincontext.org/LISTINGS/IMAGES/FULL/P/AK98Q7P7.htm

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Global Bucky Exhibits: May 2000 thru June 2001 (scroll to bottom of page)

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Chuck Knight said:
> >  as I recall from Critical Path (?),
> >  the missing element of "prinicple" from the McGill attempt,
> >  was high-pressure of about 200 pounds per SQUARED inch;
>
> What is the purpose of the high pressure?  Is it to atomize the
> water, or is it to impart energy to the particles?
>
> Here's why I'm asking.  The story goes that Bucky noticed the
> naturally occurring fog as a cleaning agent, while on a boat.  Since
> naturally occurring fog is probably not endowed with high energy,
> I doubt that is its purpose.
>
> A comparatively new device called a nebulizer can easily create
> a relatively low pressure fog.  It uses air forced through a micro-thin
> sheet of water...the air stream rips apart the water into micro
> droplets, without the energy requirements of a traditional atomizer.
>
> It could easily be soapy water, or any number of other
> substances...it'll work on almost any liquid.
>
> Could this work for a simple fog gun?
>
> >     this was to stinulate standing on the bow
> >  of a boat in high wind, waiting to be swept
> >  to one's doom.
>
> Perhaps a nebulizer with a high speed air stream to increase the
> particles' energy?
>
>      -- Chuck Knight
>

Brian Hutchings said:
- concerning the fog gun, as I recvall,
- the high pressure was half of the ideal.  however,
- noting the recent story about sea-solids (salt) and smog,
- it seems clear that that may have to be considered --
- it creates ozone, which is half o'that "brisk" sea thing!

        Actually, it's not ozone, so much as negative ions.
        From what I've read, of Bucky and various other sources (chemistry
books, work on negative ion generators, etc.) it seems to me that the purpose
of the fog gun was to create a highly energized ion field. The splitting of
tiny water droplets causes a release of many (VERY many!) negative ions, and
these exert a strong attractive force to small particles, including dirt.
        Detergents usually contain "ionic surfactants" to create the strong
polarity that attracts microscopic dirt and oil particles. The "crisp" air you
find at the shore, or near a waterfall, or just after a rainfall has to do
with the high negative ion count. Humans respond well to it. It seems to
increase the rate at which cilia in the lungs beat, allowing them to clear
more detritus from lung tissue. Plants respond well to it, also.
        The "dead" or "stale" are that you find in places like crowded
freeways, near large electrical transformers, etc. has a very low negative ion
count, and often a high positive ion count. This seems to have a soporific
effect on humans.
        Another example of ions at work is in the "laundry discs" you can find
for sale in various places. (Some are MLM's, others are more reputable
companies like Real Goods (http://www.realgoods.com/) These are composed of
ceramics impregnated with some mix of metals to impart a strong ionic
component to the already highly polar water molecule. These ions then do the
same work as the "ionic surfactants" in detergents.
        We've been using one of these for the past 2.5 years, and it works
well. We have gone for months at a time without using laundry detergent, and
have also found that augmenting tough soiling with maybe .25 or .5 of a normal
amount of detergent seems to work extremely well. (As well as full-strength.)

        As I understood it, Bucky's Fog Gun was never intended to have any
soap associated with it. If you had soap, you'd need to rinse it off, which
would take much more water. I was under the impression that it merely created
the (strongly ionic) fog, which attracted the dirt particles and oils, and
removed them from the skin. This is very similar to what you find at sea, and
as Chuck noted, there certainly were not 200 mph winds on the sailboats that
Bucky was on.



Pat
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> > Wouldn't be a Fuller Projection then (which isn't gnomonic)
> -- and what's trademarked is more the layout, how to splay
> the low-distortion continents sans sinus-breakup (Dev is
> correct this means a fancier cut, but what you get in trade
> is a far more credible depiction with _no_ distortional
> sacrifice at the poles (and these days, the poles get a

I'm going to jump in here and stir the pot.  Certainly the Fuller Projection
is much better than any previous map projections.  That I don't dispute.
But it is still a flat representation of a sphere.  And the earth is not
even a true sphere.  I worked on a software project that included map
software for the military.  There are literally hundreds of surveys for
different parts of the earth to include these bumps and bulges.  I wince
every time someone talks about a projection with _NO_ distortion.

Steve O
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>> = Kirby
>  = Dev
   = Kirby

>> the low-distortion continents sans sinus-breakup (Dev is
>> correct this means a fancier cut, but what you get in trade
>> is a far more credible depiction with _no_ distortional
>> sacrifice at the poles (and these days, the poles get a
>
>I'm going to jump in here and stir the pot.  Certainly the
>Fuller Projection is much better than any previous map projections.
>That I don't dispute. But it is still a flat representation of
>a sphere.  And the earth is not even a true sphere.  I worked
>on a software project that included map software for the military.
>There are literally hundreds of surveys for different parts of
>the earth to include these bumps and bulges.  I wince every
>time someone talks about a projection with _NO_ distortion.
>
>Steve O
>

Yes Steve, that's a good point.  I should have said "relatively
little distortional sacrifice at the poles" -- was thinking
about the Snyder Projection, which accommodates relatively
undistorted poles only with the addition of boxed insets,
usually placed in the lower left and right corners of the
map.  If you count these boxes, then the number of edges to
such a map comes to 12, vs. 4 -- still fewer than Fuller's
24, but then Fuller's doesn't have these disjointed continental
masses (actually, only Antartica is considered continental)
floating in separate boxes.

The Globe Project, from Design Science Toys, and to which
Bob Gray was a contributor at the algorithm level, includes
a booklet that spells out a lot of other kinds of "distortion"
that go into making these useful displays (Fuller's among
them -- I don't for a minute suggest his be the _only_
projection in circulation (for example, we still need to
accommodate people who want to display their political
stuff -- they should do that elsewhere than on Fuller's)).

For example, you never have a "cloud free day" on Earth,
yet the satellite mosaics cull from a gazillion pix to
assemble a view that eliminates the swirls and puff balls.
Plus the use of color is algorithmic -- the computer is
called into play to add contrast.  Other decisions of
that nature get made (altitude distortion).  So what we
end up with is very much a _simulation_ -- which, by
definition, means it's a "translation" if not an outright
"distortion" of global data.

So yes, a Fuller Projection is a simulation, an inter-
pretation, just like all the others.  When I say _no_
distortional sacrifice of the poles, I mean this in contrast
to the very pronounced topological stretching of these regions
which some other projections permit -- the Mercator being
the most distorted, with the Snyder improving matters
considerably by squeezing in at the high/low latitudes
(and providing those boxed insets).

Kirby
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:pdx4d@TELEPORT.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:58 AM
> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
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>

>
> Yes Steve, that's a good point.  I should have said "relatively
> little distortional sacrifice at the poles" -- was thinking
> about the Snyder Projection, which accommodates relatively
> undistorted poles only with the addition of boxed insets,
> usually placed in the lower left and right corners of the
> map.  If you count these boxes, then the number of edges to
> such a map comes to 12, vs. 4 -- still fewer than Fuller's
> 24, but then Fuller's doesn't have these disjointed continental
> masses (actually, only Antartica is considered continental)
> floating in separate boxes.
>
> The Globe Project, from Design Science Toys, and to which
> Bob Gray was a contributor at the algorithm level, includes
> a booklet that spells out a lot of other kinds of "distortion"
> that go into making these useful displays (Fuller's among
> them -- I don't for a minute suggest his be the _only_
> projection in circulation (for example, we still need to
> accommodate people who want to display their political
> stuff -- they should do that elsewhere than on Fuller's)).
>
>

I think Fuller's projection is a excellent resource, if only for the change
in perspective.  I used to jog around a golf course and park near my home.
Always the same way.  One day I ran the opposite direction around the
course.  It was like a totally different place.  Simply turning the map on
it's side (as Fuller's does with the US) forces us to reevaluate the
relationships we took for granted. I think there is a Trivial Pursuit
question about which city is further West.  The answer is very surprising to
those of us who grew up with Mercator projections.  I'll have to find the
exact wording of the question.

With the recent descrambling of the GPS constellation by the government, the
average person can easily pin-point their position on the earth to within
tens of feet.  Flat maps, as a means of navigation, are quickly becoming as
useful as the slide-rule.  As we re-evaluate maps, hopefully, Fuller's map
will gain more prominence as it shows details as patterns (i.e.
temperature).
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>course.  It was like a totally different place.  Simply turning
>the map on it's side (as Fuller's does with the US) forces us
>to reevaluate the relationships we took for granted.

Of course the Fuller Projection doesn't have to be published
with North America on the right, with the Florida Peninsula
jutting rightward.  Easy enough to turn the map 90 degrees
and get the more usual orientation (typical of Mercators),
or tilt it some other way (or reassemble the pieces, as Dev
pointed out).

>Flat maps, as a means of navigation, are quickly becoming as
>useful as the slide-rule.

Yes, as a means of navigation, but maybe not as a display
for global data.  It's convenient to see the whole surface
at once, without having to mouse-twirl the model, or rotate
a globe in your hands.  The flat panel views will continue
to have important applications, is my expectation.

This all connects back to my "situation room" aesthetics,
tied to the "bridge of a ship" command and control center
(ala Star Trek, or some Navy recruitment commercial).
This is what the "geoscope" was about as well (real time
displays, but using a globe instead of a flat panel).

Where Bucky wanted to go with the Expos was towards these
real time plus "overview-replay" global data displays,
with a surrounding context encouraging average individuals
to feel responsible for their planet, not at the mercy
of "hidden powers" who pull all the strings behind the
scenes.

His pavilions would have been fomentors of participatory
democracy, and for that reason alone consistent with ideals
historically associated with the USA -- but USIS turned
down the proposal, which, like many of Bucky's designs,
was ahead of its time.

Which time is when?  When do we turn the page and start a
new chapter?  Always the indefinite future, with no way
to get there from here (hence all our utopianism is
diverted into science fiction about some far future, while
distopians lay claim to the immediate future as properly
theirs and theirs alone (and why is that again?))).

Actually, in my microcosmic simulation of macrocosmos,
the old schooler LAWCAP directors have already lost control
of the scenario, and a more Bucky-informed school of
thought is even today exerting its cybernetic influence --
including within the military, where Fuller is perhaps
more appreciated than in academia (given the former's
real world focus, and the latter's propensity to cultivate
an "out of the loop", self-marginalizing posture (as per
Great Pirate programming of long ago -- and still operative
at the conditioned-reflex level)).

It's still the Grunch in this model (i.e. lotsa giants),
but the East India Company boilerplate legalese is giving
way to a more technologically up-to-date language.  More
general systems theory, less conventional economics, is
what I expect to see on the resumes of future top managers.

Like, if you're completely ignorant of what the Fuller School
is teaching, don't expect to know what's going on well enough
to manage a large company -- or hold high political office
for that matter.  But then, fewer and fewer alert individuals
are so completely ignorant these days, given cyberspace and
its ability to keep the feedback loops cycling at a much
higher rate than in the last chapter.

Kirby
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>1</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>ABSA BANK</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D1>JOHANNESBUAC</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>17</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>CANADIAN IMPERIAL =
BANK</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>TORONTO</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>2</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>ARABBANKINJ =
CORP</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>MANAMA</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>OF =
COMMERCE</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT =
size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>3</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D1>ARMECONOMBANK</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>YEREVAN</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>18</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>CENTRALBANKOF =
ARMENIA</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>YEREVAN</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>4</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>ARMIMPEX =
BANK</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>YEREVAN</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>19</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>COMMERZ =
BANK</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>FRANKFURT</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>5</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>ANZ</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>MELBOURNI</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>20</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D1>CREDITSUISSFIRSTBOSTON</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>ZURICH</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>6</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D1>BANCACOMMERCIALE</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>MILAN</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>21</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>DEUTSCHE =
BANK-AG</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>FRANKFURT</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>ITALIANA =
SPA</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>22</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>DRESDNER BANK-AG =
</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>FRANKFURT</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>7</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>RZB BANK</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>VIENNA</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>23</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D1>EUROPAISCH-IRANISCHE</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>HAMBURG</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>8</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>BANK MELLI =
IRAN</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>LONDON</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D1>HANDELSBANK-AG</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT =
size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>HAMBURG</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>24</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>GENERALE =
BANK</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>BRUSSELS</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>DUBAI</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>25</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>HABIB BANK =
LTD</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>KARACHI</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>CENTRAL</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>26</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>IRAN =
OVERSEAS</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>LONDON</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>9</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>BANK MELLAT =
IRAN</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>YEREVAN</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD colSpan=3D2 height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D44%><FONT =
face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D1>INVESTMENTBANK-LTD</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>ISTANBUL</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>27</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>MEES PIERSON =
N.V</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>AMSTERDAM</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>10</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D1>BANKSADERATIRAN</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>FRANKFURT</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>28</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>MADLAND =
BANK-PLC</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>LONDON</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>DUBAI</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>29</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D1>M.M.WARBURG&amp;CO.</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>HAMBURG</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>11</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>BANK SEPAH =
IRAN</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>LONDON</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>30</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>NATIONAL =
CONNERCIAL</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>JEDDAH</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
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            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>12</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
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            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>32</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>SONALI =
BANK</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>DHAKA</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD></TR>
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>13</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>BANQUENATIONALE =
DE</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>PARIS</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>33</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>ROYALBANK OF =
CANADA</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>PARIS S.A.</FONT></FONT><FONT =

            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
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            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>34</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
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CHARTERED</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>14</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D1>BANCOCENTRALHISPANO</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>MADRID</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>35</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>STATE BANK OF =
INDIA</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>BOMBAY *</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>15</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D1>BAYERISHCHE</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>MUNICH</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>36</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>UBS</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>ZURICH</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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            <P align=3Dleft><FONT =
size=3D1>VEREINSBANK-AG</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D18%>
            <P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>37</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>UNITED BANK =
</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D17%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>YEREVAN</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dright><FONT size=3D1>16</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D26%><FONT face=3DArial>
            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>BANK OF =
CEYLON</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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            <P align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D1>COLOMBO</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
            size=3D1></FONT></P><FONT size=3D1></FONT></TD>
        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D6%>
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        <TD height=3D4 vAlign=3Dtop width=3D27%>
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<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"" size=3D5>In this manner our company =
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<P align=3Dleft>You can win the market of this area only by sending your =

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Date:         Tue, 2 May 2000 07:44:51 -0700
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From:         Brian Hutchings <r001806@PEN2.CI.SANTA-MONICA.CA.US>
Subject:      Re: Fuller Projection: A computer simulation?

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   02-MAY-2000  7:44
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 I don't think that I ever fully grokked
 what the Grey-Kittrick or Snyder transformations were,
 other than horse-shit-- just kidding.  I did know
 that the Dymaxion (tm) et al were not gnomonic --
 centrally projected; thus,
 one has "only" to centrally project to outmode the patent,
 unless Bucky'd included that obvious method in it, I guess ... or,
 I suppose, if a "novel" projection was used to make it patentable,
 because the gnomonically-done icosah.proj.is just, like,
 20 mercator projections.  so,
 what does one have to do, if
 one has to "navigate" across the edges of the map,
 without falling out?

 the notion of essential dystortion of the "real thing" is rather silly;
 I mean, beyond the problem of the "oblate sphere,"
 the map is done "as above" -- you want elevations,
 you do contours (or go stereo !-)
    although navigators are so-used to it,
 it might be interesting to have the map reflected, as if
 one is looking from the inside, through to the stars --
 or just gone through the "unfolding transformation,"
 away from you.

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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Date:         Tue, 2 May 2000 08:00:25 -0700
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Subject:      Re: Fog Gun

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   02-MAY-2000  8:00
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 wow identified sinking objects -- laundry disks!...
 do they really *not* dyssolve?
    I doubt that there is any way to separate "negative ions"
 from "ozone" in practice, and
 that may be the gist of the reported research; as you know,
 ozone is the "indicator specie" for generical smog, although
 it has halved in concentration in LAm the Valley of the Smokes,
 since the '50s, before the EPA (or SCAQMD etc.) existed,
 while population has trebled & vehicles quadrupled.  meanwhile,
 there are tons of "VOCs" produced by ... Ronnie Reagan's brain.
    no, really, by plants, some of which have been replaced
 by parkinglots!
    then, they also insist that ozone is really toxic,
 in spite of that wonderfull buzz, "at groundlevel,"
 based upon the EPA's outmoded "LNT" standard for torturing rats --
 they combine it with LD-50, for fun;
 the surviving half go on to more-challenging experiments?

 anyway, what is the prssure of a 200 mile-per-hour wind
 on the naked sailor's body -- per SQUARE inch?

 --
 The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm

 thus quoth:
  the (strongly ionic) fog, which attracted the dirt particles and oils, and
  removed them from the skin. This is very similar to what you find at sea, an
  as Chuck noted, there certainly were not 200 mph winds on the sailboats that

 breathe deep, the mausoleum air; dead-building syndrome?
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   02-MAY-2000  9:31
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 ah, did anyone notice the coverage of the protests in Miami,
 last weekend?...  the wierd thing that appeared
 in the LATimes, pA1, said that there were "tens of thousands"
 of protsetors," listed a few affilated groups, but
 otherwise gave no indication of the numbers,
 beyond the headline.  even weirder,
 the photograph was a rather close-in shot
 of a rather scraggley crowd (the picture was inside;
 I think, it was Monday's paper).
    this reminds me when I was watching TV,
 news consisting of NcNiel-Lerer and Nightline,
 when the demonstrating crowds supporting the invasion
 of Panama, were laughable -- although
 one could have gotten footage from Panamanian TV,
 of rather massive protests *against* the invasion.

 ah, yes; http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm --
 read it & scream!
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   03-MAY-2000  5:45
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 actually, using an inside-out map is probably quite an idea,
 -- if you want to induce vertigo!...  after all,
 sailors are quite used looking "down" on hte map,
 unlike ancient Polynesians e.g., and looking locally up
 at the stars.  people have been also using astrolabes
 for a longer time than planetariums -- geodesic circles,
 longer than geodesic domes!

 thus saith:
 >     although navigators are so-used to it,
 >  it might be interesting to have the map reflected, as if
 >  one is looking from the inside, through to the stars --

 --The End Was Nigh!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.ht
 (Panama Deception!)
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   03-MAY-2000  6:05
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 so, why is it that "Canada may already be past its cliff
  in natural gas production" -- do *they* know,
 they are like Wiley Cayote's typical cliff-hanging reaction?
    hte whole "midpoint" o'production argument is premised
 upon the notion that these fuels are either rocks
 (petroleum) or rocks (fossilized feuls) -- as opposed
 to (say) a petrified forest (I've never seen it, but
 I do come from Arizona !-)

 nuke-yellar is just looking better, and better; eh?

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm

 thus quoth:
  Published petroleum experts Colin Campbell, Jean Laherrhre, Brian Fleay, and
  Roger Blanchard all expect a "peak" in "conventional oil" around 2005.
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   03-MAY-2000  9:42
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 it is simply a misnomer to implicate the "radiation"
 from "depleted uranium" with cancer -- but don't add it
 to your flour tortillas.  Hey,
 the "WAND" Corp. said, so, so it must *be*, so!

 thus quoth:
  North Carolina to having bombs and depleted uranium weapons dropped
  on them, and the consequent elevated cancer rates, would be more

 --The duke of e!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm
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        Hello All,  Found this article and thought some would
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        fyi/john belt
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Subject: FULLERENE NANOWIRES

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<B>FULLERENE NANOWIRES<BR>
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Pavel Nikolaev, Andreas Thess, Ting Guo, Daniel T. Colbert, and
Richard E. Smalley<BR>
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Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology, Rice Quantum Institute
and Departments of Chemistry and Physics, MS 100, Rice University,
Houston, Texas  77251, USA<BR>
<BR>
<P>
<U>Abstract:</U>  A method has been found which produces nanowires
in high yield.  These wires are cylindrical single-walled fullerenes:
hollow carbon tubes 1.2-1.4 nm in diameter, &gt;20 &#181;m in
length, constructed of a single hexagonally-bonded graphene sheet
wrapped into a cylinder, with hemispherical endcaps involving
6 pentagons.  They are produced by laser vaporization of a composite
rod of graphite with 1-2 atom percent of a catalyst such as 1/1
Ni/Co, inside a quartz tube at 1200<SUP>o</SUP>C, in a 1&nbsp;cm
sec<SUP>-1</SUP> flow of argon at 500 Torr.  The yield is greater
than 50% of all the carbon vaporized.  The wires are found to
be aligned to form ropes of 10-100 parallel tubes held together
in a closed-packed hexagonal array by van der Waals forces.  The
ropes are often found with overall length greater than 0.1 mm.
 Due to their expected high electrical conductivity, especially
when doped with metals either down the hollow inside region or
on the outside, intercalated in the triangular gaps between the
adjacent tubes, these new materials may provide the first source
of  wires on the nanometer scale whose electrical conduction is
truly metallic.  It may also be possible to make them much longer.
<BR>
<BR>
<P>
 Buckminsterfullerene (), C<SUB>60</SUB>, has become not only
the prototypical member of a vast class of new carbon cage molecules
collectively known as the fullerenes (,) but a major stimulus
for fanciful dreams of architecture in general on the nanometer
scale.  One of the most extreme of these dreams is to extend the
C<SUB>60</SUB> cage in one direction, inserting one extra belt
of 10 carbon atoms to make C<SUB>70</SUB>; opening it again and
inserting a second belt to make a now capsule-shaped C<SUB>80</SUB>,
repeating this process over and over, making a hollow tube of
increasing length.  When extended to infinity, this process results
in the most perfect possible carbon fiber: effectively a single
crystal of carbon in one linear dimension, but only  0.7 nm in
width.<BR>
<P>
 Made of a single sheet of graphene (i.e., an individual hexagonally
bound layer of carbon in ordinary crystalline graphite) and wrapped
into an infinite tube, this dream fiber would have fantastic properties.
 Its tensile strength, for example, is expected to be roughly
100 times higher than that of steel, while having less than one
fifth the weight.  In the form of a multistrand rope (10<SUP>14</SUP>
strands/cm<SUP>2</SUP>) this fiber would provide the ultimate
structural cable.  Its thermal conductivity along the fiber axis
should be extremely high -- similar to that of diamond.  But most
intriguing would be the electrical properties.  It would be metallic
().  Particularly when doped with metal atoms arrayed like peas
in a pod down the central axis, or &quot;intercalated&quot; in
the spaces between adjacent tubes in a multistranded composite,
the electrical conductivity of these nanoscale wires at room temperature
may be dramatically higher than gold.  One can imagine these fullerene
wires replacing all the power cables in the world, or used individually
to interconnect electronic devices on a molecular scale.<BR>
<P>
 This is the dream of nanowires (), and the association with fullerenes
and Buckminster Fuller could hardly be more appropriate.  Richard
Buckminster Fuller () was certainly the sort of man who would
have dreamed such dreams, talked about them endlessly, and invented
whole new worlds based on their wonderful properties. <BR>
<P>
 But how about reality?  Is it possible to trick carbon into assembling
in such a way?   There is no question that these hollow cylinders
are not the most stable possible form of carbon.  Graphite is
still the thermodynamic optimum for carbon under standard conditions.
    Even on the nanometer scale, nanotubes are known to have less
cohesive energy than a single-shell spheroidal fullerenes with
the same number of atoms (), and these in turn are known to be
less stable than &quot;bucky onions&quot; composed of concentric
shells starting with C<SUB>60</SUB> surrounded by C<SUB>240</SUB>,
then C<SUB>540</SUB>, then C<SUB>960</SUB>, etc. (); the general
formula for the n-th shell being  60*n<SUP>2</SUP>.   If fullerene
nanowires (single-walled nanotubes, or SWT) are to be made, there
will have to be something tricky in the physics and chemistry
that drives the kinetics along this path.<BR>
<P>
 In a recent publication () our group has reported what appears
to be just such a trick using a simple extension of the laser
vaporization/heated oven technique developed earlier in this group
to produce C<SUB>60</SUB> and other small fullerenes in 30-40%
yield ().  Stimulated by the success of Iijima et al. () and Bethune
et al.<A NAME="_Ref333827748"> (</A>) in producing small amounts
of single-walled nanotubes by incorporating a transition metal
such as iron or cobalt in the anode of a carbon arc, and the results
of Lambert et al. () in enhancing the yield by using a mixture
of such metals, we prepared a composite graphite rod with 1-2%
(atom) of a 50:50 mixture of  Ni/Co powder.  Laser vaporization
of this material (2nd harmonic of a Q-switched Nd:YAG laser, 514
nm, 300 mJ/pulse focused to a 6-7 mm spot on the front of the
target, and scanned under computer control over the surface of
the target so as to maintain a uniform flat surface as the material
was progressively vaporized) in a quartz tube heated to 1200<SUP>o</SUP>C
produced a material which was transported as an aerosol in a 50
sccm flow of Argon at 500 Torr, forming a black deposit on a downstream
collector cooled to 10<SUP>o</SUP>C.
<P>

<P>
 Figures 1 and 2 show transmission electron micrographs (TEM)
of high-yield Co/Ni-catalyzed nanotube material deposited on the
cold collector.  Single-walled nanotubes (SWT) typically were
found grouped in structures in which many tubes run together aligned
in van der Waals contact over most of their length.  This morphology
requires a very high density of SWT in the aerosol for so many
tubes to have collided and aligned prior to landing on the cold
collector, with very little other carbon available to coat the
SWT prior to their alignment.  The high nanotube yield (we estimate
that 50-60% of all the carbon vaporized becomes nanotubes) is
especially remarkable considering that the soluble fullerene yield
from the same run was found to be about 10%, with much of the
remaining carbon consisting of giant fullerenes and onions.<BR>
<P>
<IMG SRC="images/iupac1.gif">      <IMG SRC="images/iupac2.gif"><BR>
<P>
    Fig. 1  Single-walled nanotube ropes.                  Fig.
2  A cross-sectional view of a rope.
<P>
    Fringes are spaced by about 1.2 nm in
<P>
    both figures.<BR>
<BR>
<P>
 Single-walled nanotubes produced in this way are particularly
clean, as one might expect given such high yields.  Typical arc-produced
SWT are covered with a thick layer of amorphous carbon, limiting
their usefulness.  Much less coating is seen with the present
tubes, the bundling leaving much less surface area exposed.<BR>
<P>
 The formation of SWT by laser-vaporization provides clues for
revealing the growth mechanism.  In both the present experiments
and in the arc, essentially <I>all</I> catalytically produced
nanotubes have a single wall with a very narrow distribution of
diameter (although in the arc, adding sulfur to the mix broadens
this distribution (12)).  Formation of multiwalled nanotubes by
metal-catalyzed chemical vapor deposition is widely thought to
proceed via solvation of carbon vapor in the metal particle, followed
by nanotube precipitation.  The particle size is assumed in these
models to control the outer diameter of the associated nanotube.
 We similarly assume here that single-walled nanotubes must originate
from particles whose diameters were too small to nucleate and
grow the second wall.  As addressed below, the kernel of any mechanism
for SWT formation is therefore explaining how metal particles
are prevented from getting too big.<BR>
<P>
 It is instructive first to review briefly the condensation of
<I>pure</I> carbon vapor to produce fullerenes, since the roughly
1 at% of metal constitutes only a small, but crucial, departure
from the pure case.  Under the same conditions in the laser-vaporization
apparatus used here to produce SWT, condensation of pure carbon
vapor is known to produce C<SUB>60</SUB> and other small spheroidal
fullerenes in extremely high yield () (30-40% of all carbon vaporized).
 Under the prevailing annealing conditions, precursors including
mono- and polycyclic rings, and shells incorporate pentagons to
reduce their numbers of dangling bonds, ultimately closing to
form fullerenes ().  However, in these new experiments, when on
the order of 1% of the atoms in the vapor are metal, a dramatic
change occurs.  Before the fullerene precursor closes, a few metal
atoms (perhaps only one)  chemisorb on the carbon cluster and
migrate to the dangling bonds at the carbon cluster edge, inhibiting
closure of the fullerene by partially satisfying the previously
dangling bonds.  Carbon that now collides with this segregated
metal/carbon cluster will readily diffuse at the 1200<SUP>o</SUP>C
oven temperature to its most energetically stable site, inserting
between the carbon edges and the metal particle, lengthening the
fullerene.  Metal atoms that collide will also diffuse and add
to the growing metal particle.  However, as we now discuss, the
attached carbon cluster itself limits the size of the metal particle,
thus accomplishing the trick asked about above.<BR>
<P>
 In condensing <I>pure </I>metal vapor, a very broad distribution
of cluster size is seen, extending out to particles containing
thousands of atoms.  The kinetics of pure metal clust<A NAME="_Ref328451689">er
growth evolves in two epochs (</A>).  In the first, during which
single metal atoms dominate the vapor, the principal mechanism
of M<SUB>n</SUB>-cluster growth (M<SUB>n</SUB> denotes an n-atom
metal cluster) is by M-atom addition.  The nucleation rate (n
 5) is very slow since such small clusters require a third body,
provided by a buffer gas, to dissipate excess energy.  The rate
of M-atom addition rapidly increases as condensation continues
due to increasing reaction cross section of the growing M<SUB>n</SUB>
clusters, so nucleation of new particles quickly gives way to
growth of existing ones.  The second epoch begins when few single
atoms and small clusters remain; the main mechanism for particle
growth is then M<SUB>n</SUB>-M<SUB>n</SUB> coalescence, whose
rate similarly increases as condensation progresses (until particles
exit the collision region).  This process rapidly produces very
large clusters.<BR>
<P>
 Metal condensation in a <I>carbon-rich</I> environment, however,
can lead to quite different metal particle growth kinetics.  The
fullerene precursors discussed above act as third-body nucleation
sites for metal condensation, vastly increasing the number of
nucleated metal clusters and foreshortening the first epoch.
During the second epoch of metal particle growth, M<SUB>n</SUB>-M<SUB>n</SUB>
collisions are inhibited by the presence of a growing nanotube
&quot;tail&quot; attached to the metal cluster.  Rather, collisions
between the long nanotube tails are much more likely.  Depending
on the rate of nanotube formation, this mechanism may very suddenly
quench the metal particle size at 100-300 atoms to form the required
1-2 nm diameter catalytic particles.
<P>

<P>
 We note, however, that continued growth of the single wall nanotube
will still be favored even when the metal particle at its tip
grows beyond the initial 1-2 nm diameter.  While the lower strain
energy of a second layer precipitated from a larger metal particle
would be energetically favorable compared with adding to the inner
layer, the unavoidable open edges introduced as this second layer
nucleates would present a high energetic barrier.  This view therefore
places emphasis on the constrained metal particle size only during
initial lengthening of the nanotube.  This may explain why there
has been no observed correlation between nanotube diameter and
catalytic particle size.<BR>
<P>
 The  most intriguing aspect of these results is that the yield
is so high.  This must mean that the &quot;live&quot; end of the
growing nanotube is capable of efficiently using large carbon
clusters as a feedstock.  In particular, it is quite possible
that C<SUB>60</SUB> itself is consumed by the catalytic Ni/Co
cluster at the end of the growing nanotube, adding 60 atoms to
extend the tube length.  This then suggests the possibility of
vastly protracting the growth stage of the SWT.  For example,
suppose we insert a network of tungsten wires into the downstream
gas flow after the carbon/Ni/Co target but well before the end
of the heated zone of the oven.   Suppose further that this wire
network is arranged so that many of the still-growing nanotubes
are caught with their live ends trailing out in the blowing wind
of the inert carrier gas flow.  It may then be possible to feed
the growing &quot;live&quot; ends with C<SUB>60</SUB> vapor.
Since further laser vaporization of the graphite/Ni/Co target
is unnecessary it should be possible to continue growth indefinitely
without overcoating the sides of the nanotube with amorphous carbon,
or growing the catalytic particle too big by further addition
of Ni and Co vapor.  Variations on this theme may ultimately permit
very clean single wall nanotube &quot;ropes&quot; to be grown
of many cm length, all aligned in the flowing wind.<BR>
<BR>
<P>
Acknowledgments:  This work was supported by the Office of Naval
Research, the National Science Foundation, the Robert A. Welch
Foundation, and used equipment designed for study of fullerene-encapsulated
catalysts supported by the Department of Energy, Division of Chemical
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Mmmm...so is this the Russian experiment that certain sources said would
make it possible to run an elevator from Earth to geo-stationary space
stations?
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   04-MAY-2000  6:43
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 well, just how radioactive is "too radioactive" --
 comparable to background radiation in Tibet, say?

 thus quoth:
  problem of finding enough suitable aggregate for the concrete used in the
  plants that will not be subject to excessive neutron activation. There are
  a number of problems associated with the concrete becoming too radioactive

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm
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Subject:      new world h'ors duerve

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   05-MAY-2000  3:32
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 re that perniciously-defined hole in the ozonosphere
 --otherwise AKA "the wintertime polar vortex" --
 here is the most-excellent picture
 of an unusually quiescent Mount Erebus,
 upwind from McMurdo station (see commentary by Dobson et al; also,
 an unusual back-and-forth in *Science* "Technical Reports",
 some time ago, about this or the station D'underville (sik .-))

 http://www.instadv.ucsb.edu/releasepics/prelaunch.gif

 --
 Panama Deception!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm
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Re:  http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/kiyoshi.html

I originally wrote this article for Friends Bulletin,
the editor of which suggested I forward it to Friends
Journal, given FB's more west coast focus, which I did.

However, it must have gotten lost in the shuffle. So
I'm publishing it to my web site instead.

My most recent news is that Kiyoshi is gravely ill and
hospitalized at Pennsylvania Hospital (www.pahosp.com).

Kirby
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Subject:      Re: [Q-P] Urgent  Action re: U.S. efforts to sabotage ICC

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   05-MAY-2000  8:22
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 a transglobal criminal court is a terrible misjurisdiction
 over the sovereignity of nations, no matter how good,
 you may think the precedent of nabbing Pinochet --
 without ever laying a finger on Kissinger and Friedman,
 or the oligarch that they represent so assiduously,
 with their diplomacy & economics, respectively.
    isn't that simply a mockery of justice,
 while both continue to be featured authors
 in newspapers around Earth?
    the UN is just not what it was intended to be,
 by FDR over the whining protest of Churchill, because
 we ended-up assisting the reconstitution
 of the Empires after WW2, with the Merchant Marine e.g., because
 of the rabidly anglophilic influences
 around Harry "S*** -- the bomb drops, There!" Truman.

 --Panama Deception!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm

 thus quoth:
  crimes against humanity and genocide. The treaty creating the ICC (referred
  to as the "Rome Statute" for the ICC) was adopted by an overwhelming

 this is in no way to endorse the policies of Albright,
 or any other protege of Mad Zbiggy!
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Hello,

I just read about this in today's Guardian (UK). It's not tetrahedronal, but
it's a floating city:

http://www.freedomship.com/wip

Cheers,

Paul Taylor.
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HI FRIEND,


I AM AN INDIAN BORN  WEB DESIGNER. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO VISIT MY
SITE WHICH IS MY HUMBLE ATTEMPT TO CREATE A WORLD OF LAUGHTER--
THE NATURAL MEDICINE.

WWW.JOKESNJOKES.COM

A SMILE ON YOUR FACE IS OUR REWARD!!!!!!!!

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HI FRIEND,
I SAW YOUR NAME IN ONE OF THE PEN PAL COLUMN

I AM AN INDIAN BORN  WEB DESIGNER. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO VISIT MY
SITE WHICH IS MY HUMBLE ATTEMPT TO CREATE A WORLD OF LAUGHTER--
THE NATURAL MEDICINE.

WWW.JOKESNJOKES.COM

A SMILE ON YOUR FACE IS OUR REWARD!!!!!!!!

PLEASE COME AND GIVE US THE PLEASURE OF YOUR COMPANY
REGARDS
SUKHENKALYAN


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Subject:      Re: [Q-P] Elian

<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   08-MAY-2000  7:11
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 you, Sir George reincarnate, and a Bay of Pigs Dos --
 Inlet of Elian?
    what you refer to as "corruption" in the former SU,
 was an explicit policy of the Bush Administration,
 known as "the Thornburg Doctrine," and assiduously introduced
 by affiliates of the rabid Mont Pelerin Society (see "Global Warning,"
 an unsigned editorial in National Review, some years back),
 particularly the London IEA and the "R" version
 of Project Democracy (the NEA), the Intl.Republican Inst.,
 which inculcated a plurality of "trad is freedom" ideologs
 into the Duma.  (after USAG Robert Thorburgh; and,
 that's Ollie North's Project D !-)

 thus quoth:
  ten including the former Soviet Union, East Germany,  Yugoslavia  (probably
  the best),  the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria,  Nicaragua, China,
  Hungary and probably a few more.  We've been back and the people are far
  better off under developing capitalism except that we have not been back to
  the former Soviet Union where matters seem to have gotten worse due to

 just search www.larouchepub.com, please!

 --The Thornburgh Dctrine!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

 (there's a whole chapter on it.)
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   08-MAY-2000  7:16
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 it would be very interesting,
 to assess the relative effects of (say) plutonium,
 vis-a-vu chemical & readiative function.

 wait -- don't do it, Sharen!

 --The duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

 thus quoth:
  That is, to me, to "be grown-up and face the problem of waste storage"
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Zoe,

It is a reference to a section in that book that talks about Fuller's MIT
students design for "a lightweight tent of aluminum and orlon that folded
neatly on top of the car".

Ford Treasury of Station Wagon Living
by Franklin M Reck and William Moss
New York: Simon & Schuster (1957)

I found this info using a Bibliofind search; see bottom of page:
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/1Biblio.htm

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> the _Ford Treasury of Station Wagon Living_, volume one, hard cover
edition
>
> are you offering it for sale, or just a reference piece on your site?
>
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Steel-Framed domes:

 http://www.primadome.com/Primadome%20Home%20Page.htm


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A new Texas law that took effect in January has created economic
opportunities for
those in the alternative energy business. The law requires a
significant boost in the state's generating capacity for
renewable energy by 2009.

http://www.dbusiness.com/Story/0,1118,AUS_119531,00.html
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EU Doubles Renewable Energy:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,36274,00.html
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   12-MAY-2000  2:50
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 well, that's just in time for the Wylys, and
 their Committee to Re-Elect a George,
 to marginalize Ralph "I wouldn't belong to a party
 that had me as a candidate" Nader -- more than he is slef-marginalized
 (perhaps in spite of "The Oaks" sending roots
 into the sewers of Los Angeles new "neighborhood councils,"
 courtesy of Big WAND (from Santa Monica)).

 which is more efficient:
 growing hemp under solar collectors, or up a wind turbine, or
 *over* solar collectors?
    Houston to spaceshipearth:
 we have total proprietorship!

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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From:         Kirby Urner <pdx4d@TELEPORT.COM>
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My version of General Systems Theory (GST) begins with the
personal workspace (PWS) -- that's you in your "design
science studio".

The paradigm description of what a PWS does is:  edit/recombine.
This maybe sounds unoriginal, like all we do is download,
mix 'n match, and upload back to the web (take those as
metaphors, if you're not wired).

But trully, in that mix 'n match operation, magic may happen
-- that's a site for "value adding" to occur, and hence
the importance of the VAR (or "value-added reseller") in
our economy.

If the game is global modeling, thinking globally while
acting locally, then the PWS design science studio is
fairly committed to simulating macrocosm in microcosm.
I've written about this as both Elizabethan and Hermetic
in its conception, although of course you could trace
it through other traditions as well.

In my essay "On Virtualizing Government" (usaos2.html),
I take this approach further:  put some PWSs in a public
space, such that onlooker/lurkers have an "over the
shoulder" view of your outlook as a public servant.
This will make government more transparent, restoring
the possibility of a more consensual process, vs. this
sense of being weighed down by legacy systems of poor-
to-unworkable design.

The thing to realize is that lots of PWSs are up to
playing globally, but many are preprogrammed Malthusian,
which is AI legacy code, a meme virus which Bucky spent
a lifetime battling, and which many observers claim he
lost to Capitalism's Invisible Army (see 'Critical Path'
and its sequel).  But I have a different view:  we've
won.  It's just a matter of time to debug the OSs,
the operating systems, and USA OS in particular.  But
then, time is what we may not have enough of.  So yes,
it's still a race against time.  But when it comes to
who's got the stronger memeset, like I said, we've
won.

So I think what the Fuller School offers us is a rather
unique opportunity:  to be _for_ a more well-ordered
world (call it "new" if you want to), in which the
geeks of the world end monkey-brain rule of humanity aka
the politics of fear and loathing ... to be _for_ all
that _and_ to play on a winning team for a change (or
at least on one with with more than a hope in hell).

Kirby

Pointers:

Macrocosm/Microcosm thread (newsgroups):
http://x37.deja.com/viewthread.xp?AN=614666330

Cartoon:
"Technogeeks of the World Unite!  Nukes Suck...
Designs for Peace.  End Monkey Rule of Humanity"
http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/graphics/cartoon2.html
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Pat and all,

A while ago I printed out all 12 chapters plus the index.  Very difficult to
read because much punctuation missing!  Below is the breakdown:

Chap Pages
Index..45
1.........47
2.........37
3.........33
4.........27
5.........21
6.........33
7.........29
8.........36
9.........38
10.......44
11.......36
12.......43
Total 469

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> Transcripts from the 42-hour session Bucky did in 1975 entitled
"Everything I
> Know". I found 'em on the Bucky Fuller Institute page
 http://www.bfi.org/ ) >
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John,

Fuller proposed using the cost of electricity as our basic global monetary
unit.  See "Electric Current Currency" in Fuller's book _Critical Path_,
pages xxxi, xxxiv, 215, 219, 253, and figures xxxii-xxxiii.

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> Dear Joe,
>
> Following your Ultraflote posting on the Dome Home-H list, I have visited
> the Virtual Buckminster Fuller Institute at
>
> http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
>
> and found it most interesting.  Many ideas there are new to me and I would
> like to know more.  However, the Grand Plan seems to be missing one vital
> area which is a decent, non-exploitative interest-free money currency.
This
> is now on the way with LETSystems and similar systems like that in Ithaca,
> New York State www.lightlink.co./hours/ithacahours/
>
> For a good global system may I suggest a visit to the Global Resource Bank
> (GRB)?  http://www.grb.net/
>
> I'm sure Bucky would approve.
>
> Regards
> John Thomas in England
>
>
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At 08:19 PM 05/12/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>John,
>
>Fuller proposed using the cost of electricity as our basic global monetary
>unit.  See "Electric Current Currency" in Fuller's book _Critical Path_,
>pages xxxi, xxxiv, 215, 219, 253, and figures xxxii-xxxiii.

Also see: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/gst3.html

Kirby
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I recently found a magazine I really like, called Fast Company.
It's been published since '95, but I never paid any attention to
it until recently. It's a book thick magazine choke full of
information on cutting edge people, organizations and ideas.
http://www.fastcompany.com/homepage/

I also like Business 2.0, especially the Ten Driving Principles
of the New Economy: http://www.business2.com/services/10principles.html
A lot of principles espoused by Buckminster Fuller are expressed there.
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> I don't know how to post to the list, but I thought you might want to see
> this. -gregor
>
>
> >(sad news to report - Wayne - www.actupdc.org)
> >
> > >We regret to inform you that Kiyoshi Kuromiya, one of the
> > >world's leading AIDS activists, died last night due to
> > >complications from AIDS. To the last, Kiyoshi remained an
> > >activist, insisting on and receiving the most aggressive
> > >treatment for cancer and the HIV that complicated its
> > >treatment.  He participated fully in every treatment decision,
> > >making sure that he, his friends and fellow activists were
> > >involved with his treatment every step of the way.  He
> > >never gave up.
> > >
> > >Kiyoshi devoted his life to the struggle for social justice.
> > >
> > >He was a committed civil rights and anti-war activist.  He was
> > >also one of the founders of Gay Liberation Front - Philadelphia
> > >and served as an openly gay delegate to the Black Panther Convention
> > >that endorsed the gay liberation struggle.
> > >
> > >As a pioneering AIDS activist, Kiyoshi was involved in all
> > >aspects of the moment, including radical direct action with
> > >ACT UP Philadelphia and the ACT UP network, PWA empowerment
> > >and coalition-building through We The People Living with HIV/AIDS,
> > >national and international research advocacy, and loving and
> > >compassionate mentorship and care for hundreds of people living
> > >with HIV. Kiyoshi was the editor of the ACT UP Standard of Care,
> > >the first standard of care for people living with HIV produced by
> > >PWAs.
> > >
> > >Kiyoshi is perhaps best known as the founder of the
> > >Critical Path Project, which brought the strategies and
> > >theories of his associate/mentor Buckminster Fuller to the struggle
> > >against AIDS. The Critical Path newsletter, one of the earliest and
> > >most comprehensive sources of HIV treatment information,
> > >was routinely mailed to thousands of people living with HIV all
> > >over the world.  He also sent newsletters to hundreds of incarcerated
> > >individuals to insure their access to up-to-date treatment
> > >information.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Critical Path provides free access to the Internet to thousands
> > >of people living with HIV in Philadelphia and this region,
> > >hosted over a hundred AIDS related web pages and discussion lists,
> > >and showed a whole generation of activists and people living
> > >with HIV that the Internet can be a tool for information, empowerment
> > >and organizing. He was a leader in the struggle to maintain
> > >freedom of speech on the Internet, participating in the successful
lawsuit
> > >against the Internet Decency Act.
> > >
> > >Kiyoshi understood science and was involved locally, nationally and
> > >internationally in AIDS research.  As both a treatment activist and
> > >clinical trials participant, he fought for community based research,
> > >and for research that involves the community in its design.  He fought
> > >for research that mattered to the diversity of groups affected by AIDS,
> > >including people of color, drug users, and women.
> > >
> > >He fought for appropriate research on alternative and complementary
> > >therapies as well, and was the lead plaintiff in the Federal class
action
> > >lawsuit on medicinal marijuana.
> > >
> > >In the first issue of Critical Path, published in 1989, he wrote,
> > >"it is our conviction that . . . a heroic endeavor is now needed
> > >both to provide for the continuing health maintenance of Persons
> > >With AIDS the world over, and, by the year 2001 to find a cure for
> > >the ravages of AIDS for all time." That task he set us still
> > >remains unfinished.
> > >
> > >We will miss Kiyoshi's intelligence and the clear and even analysis
> > >he brought to any meeting or political activity. We will miss
> > >his commitment, and dedication to the idea that all people living
> > >with HIV should participate in the decisions that will affect their
lives.
> > >And we will miss his wit, his smile, his sense of fun.
> > >
> > >If you want to honor Kiyoshi, we urge you to make a donation to the
> > >activist organization of your choice. And sometime soon, today, or
> > >tomorrow, or next week, take the opportunity to speak truth to power,
> > >join a picket line you might have passed by, or help plan a
demonstration
> > >against global injustice that you thought you were too busy to be
involved
> > >with. He would have liked that.
> > >
> > >Memorial service arrangements are underway at this time and will be
> > >held the week of May 21 to allow out of town travel.
>
>
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Gregor,

Thanks for the news.  I forwarded it to BFI, World Game, GENI, the Geodesic
newsletter and the Geodesic newsgroup.

To subscribe to the Geodesic newsletter see:
http://www.cjfearnley.com/fuller-faq-7.html#ss7.3

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> I don't know how to post to the list, but I thought you might want to see
> this. -gregor
>
> >(sad news to report - Wayne - www.actupdc.org)
> >
> > >We regret to inform you that Kiyoshi Kuromiya, one of the
> > >world's leading AIDS activists, died last night due to
(snip)
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At 10:42 AM 05/14/2000 -0700, Joe S Moore wrote:
>Gregor,
>
>Thanks for the news.  I forwarded it to BFI, World Game, GENI, the Geodesic
>newsletter and the Geodesic newsgroup.

More bio re Kiyoshi at my website:
'My Dinner with Kiyoshi'
http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/kiyoshi.html

He was a warrior on a great many fronts, and the world
is a better place for his skill, brilliance, commitment
and integrity.

Kirby
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Berkeley -- A metabolic switch that triggers algae to turn sunlight into
large quantities of hydrogen gas, a valuable fuel, is the subject of a new
discovery to be presented by University of California, Berkeley, scientists
and their Colorado colleagues during a Feb. 21 press briefing at the annual
meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in
Washington, D.C.
"I guess it's the equivalent of striking oil," said UC Berkeley plant and
microbial biology professor Tasios Melis. "It was enormously exciting, it
was unbelievable." He first described the discovery in the January 2000
issue of the journal Plant Physiology.

Melis and postdoctoral associate Liping Zhang of UC Berkeley made the
discovery -- funded by the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) Hydrogen Program
-- with Dr. Michael Seibert, Dr. Maria Ghirardi and postdoctoral associate
Marc Forestier of the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) in Golden,
Colorado.

Currently, hydrogen fuel is extracted from natural gas, a non-renewable
energy source. The new discovery makes it possible to harness nature's own
tool, photosynthesis, to produce the promising alternative fuel from
sunlight and water. A joint patent on this new technique for capturing solar
energy has been taken out by the two institutions.

So far, only small-scale cultures of the microscopic green alga
Chlamydomonas reinhardtii have been examined in the laboratory for their
hydrogen production capabilities, Melis said.

"In the future, both small-scale industrial and commercial operations and
larger utility photobioreactor complexes can be envisioned using this
process," he said.

While current production rates are not high enough to make the process
immediately viable commercially, the researchers believe that yields could
rise by at least 10 fold with further research, someday making the technique
an attractive fuel-producing option.

Preliminary rough estimates, for instance, suggest it is conceivable that a
single, small commercial pond could produce enough hydrogen gas to meet the
weekly fuel needs of a dozen or so automobiles, Melis said.

The scientific team is just beginning to test ways to maximize hydrogen
production, including varying the particular type of microalga used and its
growth conditions.

Many energy experts believe hydrogen gas one day could become the world's
best renewable source of energy and an environmentally friendly replacement
for fossil fuels.

"Hydrogen is so clean burning that what comes out of the exhaust pipe is
pure water," Melis said. "You can drink it."

Engineering advances for hydrogen storage, transportation and utilization,
many sponsored by the U.S. DOE Hydrogen Program, are beginning to make the
fuel feasible to power automobiles and buses and to generate electricity in
this country, Seibert said.

"What has been lacking is a renewable source of hydrogen," he said.

For nearly 60 years, scientists have known that certain types of algae can
produce the gas in this way, but only in trace amounts. Despite tinkering
with the process, no one has been able to make the yield rise significantly
without elaborate and costly procedures until the UC Berkeley and NREL teams
made this discovery.

The breakthrough, Melis said, was discovering what he calls a "molecular
switch." This is a process by which the cell's usual photosynthetic
apparatus can be turned off at will, and the cell can be directed to use
stored energy with hydrogen as the byproduct.

"The switch is actually very simple to activate," Melis said. "It depends on
the absence of an essential element, sulfur, from the microalga growth
medium."

The absence of sulfur stops photosynthesis and thus halts the cell's
internal production of oxygen. Without oxygen from any source, the anaerobic
cells are not able to burn stored fuel in the usual way, through metabolic
respiration. In order to survive, they are forced to activate the
alternative metabolic pathway, which generates the hydrogen and may be
universal in many types of algae.

"They're utilizing stored compounds and bleeding hydrogen just to survive,"
Melis said. "It's probably an ancient strategy that the organism developed
to live in sulfur-poor anaerobic conditions."

He said the alga culture cannot live forever when it is switched over to
hydrogen production, but that it can manage for a considerable period of
time without negative effects.

The researchers first grow the alga "photosynthetically, like every other
plant on Earth," Melis said. This allows the green-colored microorganisms to
collect sunlight and accumulate a generous supply of carbohydrates and other
fuels.

When enough energy has been banked in this manner, the researchers tap it
and turn it into hydrogen. To do this, they transfer the liquid alga
culture, which resembles a lime-green soft drink, to stoppered one-liter
glass bottles with no sulfur present. Then, the culture is allowed to
consume away all oxygen.

After about 24 hours, photosynthesis and normal metabolic respiration stop,
and hydrogen begins to bubble to the top of the bottles and bleed off into
tall, hydrogen-collection glass tubes.

"It was actually a surprise when we detected significant amounts of hydrogen
coming out of the culture," Melis said. "We thought we would get trace
amounts, but we got bulk amounts."

After up to four days of generating an hourly average of about three
milliliters of hydrogen per liter of culture, the culture is depleted of
stored fuel and must be allowed to return to photosynthesis. Then, two or
three days later, it again can be tapped for hydrogen, Melis said.

"The cell culture can go back and forth like this many times," said Dr.
Maria Ghirardi of NREL in Colorado.


Editor's Note: The original news release can be found at
http://www.urel.berkeley.edu/urel_1/CampusNews/PressReleases/releases/02-21-
2000.html
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   16-MAY-2000  7:37
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 well, They keep saying this, like what ever the Oil Sister(s?) say,
 is so!...  does anyone happen to know the "signature"
 of the He3/He4 ratio, from natural gas?

 thus quoth:
  Currently, hydrogen fuel is extracted from natural gas, a non-renewable

 thus saith:
 YOU do not have to be a rocket-scientist!..."  So, the "green e" program was
 by David Freeman (later to become the head of the DWP under Riordan) in 'coha
 of deregulating "e;" we already see the fruits of this, with the nation's lar
 just become a British conglomerate, with the attendant inflation on the "supp
 for a "greenlightened" community, is to get the kids to write their Senators,
 on "glass house" gasses, ensuring a spontaneous, edict-of-Diocletian-like sca
 candidate's backing -- without any use of nuclear power, by people who were t

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   16-MAY-2000  7:48
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 http://www.urel.berkeley.edu/urel_1/CampusNews/PressReleases/releases/02-21
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Subject:      Fw: Kiyoshi memorial service
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----- Original Message -----
From: "gregor markowitz" <gregor@myhouse.com>
To: <joemoore@cruzio.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 1:08 PM
Subject: Kiyoshi memorial service

> Memorial Service for Kiyoshi Kuromiya
>
> Tuesday, May 23 10 am
>
> Church of St. Luke and the Epiphany
> 330 S. 13th Street
> between Pine and Spruce Streets
> Center City, Philadelphia
>
> Reception will follow
>
> For more information, contact 215-985-4448 x 140
> or jdavids@critpath.org
>
> In memory of Kiyoshi, please make a donation to the
> activist organization of your choice
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MESSAGE from ="List 17-MAY-2000  8:24
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 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "gregor markowitz" <gregor@myhouse.com>
 To: <joemoore@cruzio.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 1:08 PM
 Subject: Kiyoshi memorial service

 > Memorial Service for Kiyoshi Kuromiya
 >
 > Tuesday, May 23 10 am
 >
 > Church of St. Luke and the Epiphany
 > 330 S. 13th Street
 > between Pine and Spruce Streets
 > Center City, Philadelphia
 >
 > Reception will follow
 >
 > For more information, contact 215-985-4448 x 140
 > or jdavids@critpath.org
 >
 > In memory of Kiyoshi, please make a donation to the
 > activist organization of your choice
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<<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      17-MAY-2000  8:28
                 r007883@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 what denomination is St. Luke's -- Kuramoya's?
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   17-MAY-2000 10:03
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

  <<REPLY from  >> Brian Hutchings                      17-MAY-2000  8:28
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   what denomination is St. Luke's -- Kuramoya's?
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   17-MAY-2000 10:08
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 oops; where it said, Canditate's,
 I meant, Candidates' --
 with the truncated quid-quo-pro being that
 of the backing of the oil cartel ("Sister(s)");
 in gore's case, Oxy, and you-know-whatty in Bush's.

 thus saith:
   for a "greenlightened" community, is to get the kids to write their Senator
   on "glass house" gasses, ensuring a spontaneous, edict-of-Diocletian-like s
   candidate's backing -- without any use of nuclear power, by people who were

 and, that was to get'emto write to demand to ratify the Kyoto Protocols.

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   18-MAY-2000 11:58
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 ah, well, the NMD is a hoeplessly ballistical affair,
 in the first place; where'd the photon-guns, go?



                                    WASHINGTON INSIDER

                                    Vol. 10, no. 20 , May 18, 2000


                                        This week's headlines:
                       Clinton Issues Executive Order for Drugs to Fight HIV/A
                    Myron Magnet, George Bush Jr. & "Compassionate Conservatis
                          A Look Behind the "National Missile Defense" Project
                                No Lovefest Between Bradley and Gore

 see http://www.eirna.com/cgi-local/alert.pl
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"It is not altogether froth to say that we live in a world of
foam, and that contemplating the mysteries of the crema atop a
cappuccino may help unlock the secrets of the universe."

Here's a link to an article published in The Sciences magazine,
which gives a glimpse into the Neumatic Universe
(http://listserv.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9908&L=geodesic&P=R9513).

The article is an excerpt from the book "The Physics of Foam."

Froth With Meaning

Physicists say that the study of foam may help unlock
the secrets of the universe—and make a better cappuccino.

By Sidney Perkowitz, adapted from his book, Universal Foam: From
Cappuccino to the Cosmos.

http://www.nyas.org/membersonly/sciences/sci0003/perkowitz.html

And here's a review of the book clipped off the internet.

If you think foam is just the froth on your cappuccino or the top
of a wave, think again. Foam has implications far beyond the
commonplace: It has surprisingly intricate properties that engage
scientists around the world. In Universal Foam, physicist and
writer Sidney Perkowitz connects the ordinary properties of foam
to its deeper scientific meanings. From ocean foam that
influences weather around the world, to the revolutionary
medicated foam, fibrin sealant, which controls bleeding in trauma
victims, to the extraordinary aerogel which will be sprayed into
the tail of a comet in 2004 to capture particles and return them
to Earth, Perkowitz tells a surprising story of the importance
and fascination of foam. Along the way, he explains the origin of
the polystyrene peanuts that fill our packages and landfills, and
shows the secret of cooking a great souffl and making a perfect
cappuccino. Like foam itself, Perkowitz's writing is grounded in
serious science, yet effervescent and a delight to the senses.
After reading this highly original book, you will never again
look at a wave or a galaxy in the same way.
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Earth Alert at Discovery.Com

Daily updates on the state of our Spaceship Earth

 http://www.discovery.com/news/earthalert/earthalert.html

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Article about Michael Trudgeon's "Hyperhouse" in Architecture Australia mag

 http://www.archmedia.com.au/aa/1998/vol87no6/tomorrow.htm

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At 10:13 PM 05/19/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Article about Michael Trudgeon's "Hyperhouse" in Architecture Australia mag
>
> http://www.archmedia.com.au/aa/1998/vol87no6/tomorrow.htm
>
>Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
>Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/


You're doing great Joe.  Your links are really on the
money today.

I linked the above from my 1996 Brainstorming on BuckyWorks
at http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/bworks.html (link in the
very last sentence).

Also linked the Discovery dynamic map from dymax.html

Kirby

PS:  make sure you've checked these (probably you have):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_748000/748315.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_749000/749493.stm
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Re the concept of 'wealth', just stumbled across
this one:  http://www.puresync.com/bucky.htm
(quotes me even).

Here's a first person account of a meeting with
Bucky:  http://www.supremebeing.com/bucky2.html

The Fuller Map at http://www.nous.org.uk/BFMAP.html
is an entire website connecting RBF-related memes,
by Paul Taylor.  This labyrinthine website is
indexed at: http://www.nous.org.uk/BFMAPindex.html

Another fan of 'Critical Path'
http://www.larryville.com/almon2.htm (Hutchings
won't like it because it's anti-nuke power)

And while we're at it:
http://www.ratical.org/corporations/LAWCAP.html
(I've linked to this page for a long time -- and
there're return links from
http://www.ratical.org/corporations/ReadingLinks.html)

Hey, I'm being quoted again (news to me) -- plus
there's a link to Joe Moore's site (and MSM's) from:
http://www.whywork.org/rethinking/leisure/bucky.html

This one apparently goes back to 1996, but I hadn't
seen it before:
http://www.swifty.com/apase/charlotte/@U104.html

Part of a curriculum website:
http://www.chamisamesa.net/bucky.html

Also worthy of mention:

http://www.bashar.com/GSP/bucky.htm
http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/domes/books/bucky.html
http://www.buildamerica.com/old/7-15-96/wkshow.htm (old)
http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/~gsd1300a/p_index.html
http://www.noguchi.org/new_york_and_fuller.html (Noguchi!)
http://www.hari.com/r_buckminster_fuller.htm
http://studwww.rug.ac.be/~jvervoor/architects/bucky/bucky.html
http://store.backinprint.com/sku941150_6526.html
http://www.porcelainia.com/rbf.html (Bonnie knows him)
http://ecotopia.com/webpress/ener-syn.htm
http://www.wiredgonzo.com/original/heavy/bfuller.html (old)
http://world.std.com/~brd/bucky.html
http://www.findagrave.com/pictures/fullerrb.html
http://park.org/Japan/Hitachi/variety/tour_of_tours_e/pro/fular_p.html
http://207.63.225.98/Mathematics/Classes/calculus/CALCULUS/sld001.htm
http://www.omniscient-home-school.com/000110.htm
http://www.eng.usf.edu/~kedwards/main.htm

and the list goes on (and on...)

Kirby
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A vaccine was announced yesterday for the AIDs virus. This with the same
time of Mr. Kuromiya is a sign
of integrity of synergy with his. Bucky with KK's acceptance proved that
being comprehensive is having
compassion for all people, and all relationships that are concerned with
the individuals integrity design.
Being alive or dead does not change unitivity only syntrivity relative to
the individuals future designs. Kiyoshi is now one
with the universe inert and his designs of love are on to save Africa. The
last time I saw him was on PBS.
The last time I felt him was a hug at the GENI event. He was happy that I
was not afraid to touch him.
I must say that some times GENI is not as bad as I think it is. I thank
Pete for the event.
It is strange to me that I was at lunch the day of his death with Bob and
Allegra.  I felt a real shift in the force
that morning, time makes waste of the future for some. It will do it to us
all, well we know! Kiyoshi, a real world man...
The world is one big round grave yard that we hope to make better.
Bucky loved him very much!
>From the view I had. I can see Kiyoshi on one knee putting the flying
slipper on bucky's foot at the world affairs
conference with the big map in Washington, DC., the year bucky and Anne
died.  This was the adjunct.
He helped the weak, the sick, and the poor, and his efforts will grow and
grow and grow. He did more
for AIDS than anyone I know of. Thank you for my ideas being accepted at
any rate all. Sea Ya!
Wish I could go to the Memorial. My condolences to all that knew and loved
him.
And to you Joe for your friend Clara Nixon. My time dedicated to her at
the world game was well spent.
I will send you some photo's of it with bucky's niece.

Joe S Moore wrote:

> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 1:08 PM
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>
> > Memorial Service for Kiyoshi Kuromiya
> >
> > Tuesday, May 23 10 am
> >
> > Church of St. Luke and the Epiphany
> > 330 S. 13th Street
> > between Pine and Spruce Streets
> > Center City, Philadelphia
> >
> > Reception will follow
> >
> > For more information, contact 215-985-4448 x 140
> > or jdavids@critpath.org
> >
> > In memory of Kiyoshi, please make a donation to the
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I came across the following interesting quote in Carl B. Boyer's=20
'The History of the Calculus and its Conceptual Development'=20
(Dover Edition, of a work first published in 1949), pp 175-76.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Such an arithemetization of mathematics was opposed with=20
particular vigor by two Englishmen, the philosopher Thomas=20
Hobbes and the mathematician and theologion Isaac Barrow. =20
Hobbes objected strenuously to "the whole herd of them who=20
apply their algebra to geometry".  He maintained that they=20
mistook the study of symbols for that of geometry, and=20
characterized the 'Arithmetica infinitorum' as a "scurvy book."=20
He reffered to the arithmetization represented by Wallis as=20
absurd and as "a scab of symbols."

This attitude toward algebra and analytic geometry was probably=20
the result not only of the general predilection in the=20
seventeenth century for geometric rather than arithmetical=20
methods, but also of Hobbes' exaggerated view of mathematics as=20
in idealization of sensory perception, rather than as a branch=20
of abstract formal logic.  Greek thought had accepted=20
mathematics as derived from the experience of the senses by=20
abstraction from concrete objects of irrelevant properties.=20
Hobbes, however, was unwilling to regard lines as deprived of=20
all breadth, or surfaces of all thickness.[*]  Consequently,=20
the infinitely small was for him merely the smallist possible=20
line, plane or solid -- a view of infinitesimals held by the=20
school of mathematical atomists in antiquity and not unlike=20
that of Cavalieri.

* English Works, VII, 67, 200 ff., 438 is given as a
source for the "surfaces have thickness" view [KU]

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Note the antipathy towards "arithmetization", which we might=20
decode with a later quote from the same sourcere the approach=20
of Leibniz: "He said that his analysis was to be compared=20
with the methods of Archimedes in much the way that the=20
work of Vi=E8te and Descartes had been to the geometry of Euclid,=20
in that it dispensed with the necessity of imagination". (pg. 208).

It's this dispensing with the necessity of imagination that we=20
find Fuller fighting against.  When I saw him in person at=20
Hunter College, NYC, he waived his assistants back in the wings=20
when they started bringing out some of the colorful polyhedra,=20
saying we should be made to use our brains (i.e. visualize what=20
he was saying without the benefit of these aids). =20

Fuller wanted to train people in a kind of "mental geometry"=20
much as we train people in "mental arithmetic" when we ask them=20
to memorize the multiplication tables.  Fuller would have every=20
school kid able to mentally conjure the concentric hierarchy,=20
eventually with no visual aids.

I can't rightly call myself an earnest student of the late=20
Julian Jaynes -- I heard him talk at Princeton and perused his=20
"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral=20
Mind", but I can't help thinking that this tug-o-war in=20
mathematics, between those who would "arithmetize" on the one=20
hand, and those who would "intuit and imagine" on the other, is=20
a play writ large reflecting a biological struggle between the=20
two hemispheres -- a struggle to reach a satisfactory equilibrium,=20
vs. an imbalance leading to unwanted pathologies.

Each side (the left vs. the right) is distrustful of the other=20
(because it "thinks differently") and wants to grab the wheel=20
and do its own driving. So the car swerves back and forth=20
across the line, as if piloted by a drunk.  But no, this is=20
just humanity, struggling to stay on the road somehow.

Anyway, I don't recall reading this about Hobbes before, that=20
he wanted planes to have thickness.  He's like Bucky in this=20
respect:  all geometric objects are 4D-volumetric in pre-energized=20
form (angularly defined), just like their real world (energized)=20
counterparts (sheets of paper, thread).  Boyer identifies this=20
with "atomism" and, indeed, Fuller self-awarely circles=20
Democritus as someone he finds compatible in the Greek line-up=20
-- Democritus the atomist.

I'm not saying that Fuller was a student of Hobbes or was directly
influenced by him (need to look into this more), but that, in=20
teaching 'Synergetics', we'll want to find hyperlinks to other=20
thinkers with similar views, in order to "map the memes"=20
(meaning their relationships, their tensions, as per EIG/fluidiom=20
heuristics).  And it occurs to me that, in the case of Hobbes,=20
we also have 'Leviathan'.

What might we say comparing 'Leviathan' with 'Grunch of Giants',=20
anything?

  "For by art is created that great LEVIATHAN called a=20
  COMMONWEALTH, or STATE (in Latin, CIVITAS), which is but an=20
  artificial man, though of greater stature and strength than the=20
  natural, for whose protection and defence it was intended; and=20
  in which the sovereignty is an artificial soul..."

[http://coombs.anu.edu.au/Depts/RSSS/Philosophy/Texts/Leviathan1.html]

  Corporations are neither physical nor metaphysical phenomena.=20
  They are socioeconomic ploys -- legally enacted game-playing --=20
  agreed upon only between overwhelmingly powerful socioeconomic=20
  individuals and by them imposed upon human society and its all=20
  unwitting members. How can little humans successfully cope with=20
  this greatest of all history's invisible Grunch of nonhuman=20
  Giants?=20

[http://www.bfi.org/grunch_of_giants3.htm]

In Fuller, our human-contrived Leviathans (giant corporations)=20
have gone out of control, like the AI monsters in 'The Matrix',=20
and are weaving a dream world to straitjacket humanity, to keep=20
it from awakening and reasserting control.  Old-fashioned=20
"states", with their supposed commitment to higher principles
(at least on paper), have apparently fallen to this lethal=20
"new" kid on the block (Earth Inc.)-- or at least the USA=20
went down in Fuller's telling (or did it survive to stage a=20
come-back)). =20

The corporations were programmed to benefit an elite, a landed=20
aristocracy, and in amplifying and extrapolating such programming,=20
they're living out their destiny, as the very embodiment and=20
personification of human selfishness.

Again, one might read a Julian Jaynes thread into this:  the=20
hemispheres are sensing imbalance again.  The intuitive side=20
sees mindless "business as usual" rule-following as=20
"arithmetization" (aka "flying blind on instruments") taken=20
to seriously unhealthy extremes.

In following the boilerplate designs hammered out by Elizabethan=20
venturers needing a way to limit liability, allowing estate=20
holders to risk venture capital (stock) but not life and limb=20
(what the actual sailors had to risk), we're simply "going=20
through the motions", acting out according to reflex-conditioning=20
programmed in some centuries back.  We're the victims of a=20
meme virus implanted in the cultural code centuries ago. =20

This "ghost ship" East India Company's backbone legalese is=20
inherently Malthusian, is about protecting the few from=20
being pulled into the thralldom experienced by the many. =20
So even though our engineering know-how has advanced to=20
where we might realistically envision higher living standards=20
for the many, the steam-rollers are on automatic pilot, and=20
continue to flatten whatever gets in their way (rainforests,=20
other species, downtrodden humans -- whatever).

In other words, these old-timer Malthusian equations just=20
aren't keeping humanity as a whole on a promising path=20
these days (that much we can see just looking out the=20
windows) -- maybe we made a wrong turn?  The right side of=20
the brain (intuitive, imaginative) is grabbing for the wheel=20
again, convinced that the left side is going to get us all=20
killed.  And so you have these outpourings of emotion (often=20
artfully expressed) in Seattle and Washington DC.  The=20
WTO/IMF/World Bank now symbolizes left brain "arithmetized"=20
reality, a pathological state wherein the world is abstracted
and expressed as reams of computer printouts, with the=20
drones never seriously questioning the models behind=20
them.

We can feel the disquiet in the culture, see it expressed
in the movies (darkly distopian).  I think those of you=20
working 'Synergetics' and other Fuller writings into=20
your courses might take another look at Hobbes and=20
connect the dots -- lots of useful grist for the mill in
this neighborhood.

Kirby

Note:  re "lines with thickness", it's also useful to read=20
this quote I posted to geometry-research awhile back:
http://forum.swarthmore.edu/epigone/geom.research/prelshouhal

1st draft of this paper:
http://www.egroups.com/message/synergeo/714
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Hi Chuck....

I was just cleaning out my mailbox and found this post.
Recently I answered a post and figured out the exact methodology for doing
it.

Cool idea though...Thanks.
(wonder..as I have not bothered to figure it out..what the displacement
would be...)
I certainly think it blows off anything CargoLifter is thinking about...
(It may be close to the old post I did on "Sky Cities" back o the old
lta-Builder's list.)

(*MIKE*)

PS..on the other hand there is my old "World balloon sphere.."
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--- Mike Walden <walden@nevada.edu> wrote:
> Hi Jim:
>
> Close.....   ;-)
>
> The Millenium dome is the UPPER half of one of my
> large lenticular hulls....
> We will be sealing off the bottom with the DCB
> membrane and losing the fake
> anchor poles soon.  We will then build the center
> core and gas fill the top
> and "Float" it while building the bottom at ground
> level (air side).
>
> Then we will show you some Heavy lift / high
> altitude capabilities....
>
> (*MIKE*)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jim smith <ed_williams3@yahoo.com>
> To: <airship-list@lists.Colorado.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:27 AM
> Subject: Re: CargoLifter In NC?
>
>
> > Cl has been kind of quiet on the NC hangar.
> > Originally  believed the hangar to be a
> smokescreen
> > for the building of a much larger airship than
> > published. I felt the design of the hangar was
> > actually just half of the airship itself. When
> > completed, it would be inverted and another built
> on
> > top of it. Instant giant airship!
> > Clearly this was only the beginning. Now I see
> that
> > the new giant ship will be flown to NC, cut in
> half
> > and, instantly TWO new hangars!
> > ...had a long night. Sorry.
>
>
>
Have to admit I hadn't thought of this one...but
naturally it would occur to you!


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> > >From: "Julie Martineau" <julie.martineau@mailcity.com>
> > >> Can you provide me any informations about those flying spheres
> > >> Buckminster
> > >> Fuller have conceived in the 60's in collaboration with Sadao?
>
> > I have absolutely NO idea what company may have the capability to
> > build such
> > a structure!  One has never been built before, even though it is
> > apparently
> > technically (& economically?) feasible.  I suppose NASA could do it
> > --if they wanted to.
>
> Joe -- the Milennial dome is 1/2 mile in diameter, if memory serves.
> It's a tensile membrane, and completely stable.  In its literature, it
> states that the air within the dome weighs more than the structure.
> Sound familiar?
>
> What if someone took this dome, and duplicated it on the bottom.
> We'd have a flying saucer shape, of sufficient size to be self buoyant.
> There's nothing that says they *have* to be spherical, just that it
> would be the most efficient shape.
>
> If I'm correct, then it'd be "trivial" for any membrane design company,
> for example BirdAir, to design such a structure.  We now have a
> precedent for megastructures, in the Milennial dome.  It's possible,
> and practical to build them on this scale.
>
>      -- Chuck Knight
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> The Fuller Map at http://www.nous.org.uk/BFMAP.html
> is an entire website connecting RBF-related memes,
> by Paul Taylor.  This labyrinthine website is
> indexed at: http://www.nous.org.uk/BFMAPindex.html

Thanks, and for all those other links.

Paul Taylor.
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> > > I have absolutely NO idea what company may have the capability
> > > to build such
> > > a structure!

> > Joe -- the Milennial dome is 1/2 mile in diameter, if memory
> serves.
> >
> > What if someone took this dome, and duplicated it on the bottom.
> > We'd have a flying saucer shape, of sufficient size to be self
> buoyant.
> >
> > If I'm correct, then it'd be "trivial" for any membrane design
> company,
> > for example BirdAir, to design such a structure.  We now have a
> > precedent for megastructures, in the Milennial dome.  It's
> possible,
> > and practical to build them on this scale.

> I was just cleaning out my mailbox and found this post.

I remember this one -- it sounds like such a fun idea.  AND, the
structure already exists.  I wonder how much it sold for, and to
whom?  It was supposed to go up for sale right after the new
year's celebration.

> Recently I answered a post and figured out the exact methodology for
> doing
> it.

I had a feeling you might do that eventually.  I mean, how many
people are working with flying saucers on a daily basis?  :-)
And that dome *genuinely* looks like a flying saucer landed on
the Thames.

> (wonder..as I have not bothered to figure it out..what the
> displacement
> would be...)

Not sure.  It depends on the portion of the sphere described by
the dome.  From a glance, I'd say it's somewhere between a
1/4 and 3/8 sphere.

> I certainly think it blows off anything CargoLifter is thinking
> about...

AND, it already exists.  Relatively minor changes could convert
it into a buoyant structure.  Forget helium -- at a certain size it
would take an internal temperature difference of only a few
degrees to make it buoyant.

Not sure if the Milennial Dome is *quite* big enough to be
self-buoyant in a practical way.

> PS..on the other hand there is my old "World balloon sphere.."

???  I don't remember this one, by name.

     -- Chuck Knight
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> AND, it already exists.  Relatively minor changes could convert
> it into a buoyant structure.  Forget helium -- at a certain size it
> would take an internal temperature difference of only a few
> degrees to make it buoyant.
>
> Not sure if the Milennial Dome is *quite* big enough to be
> self-buoyant in a practical way.

It's the shape that's the problem, of course: how to keep the air in if it's
not a sphere.

I'm visiting the dismal-looking thing next month (free ticket), so I'll get
to find out how they expect to keep the visitors in. I will add a report to
this page:

http://www.nous.org.uk/Millenium.html

Paul Taylor.
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> > would take an internal temperature difference of only a few
> > degrees to make it buoyant.
> >
> > Not sure if the Milennial Dome is *quite* big enough to be
> > self-buoyant in a practical way.
>
> It's the shape that's the problem, of course: how to keep the air in
> if it's not a sphere.

It doesn't have to be a sphere to be airtight.  And (guessing) if it is
going to take only a few degrees of difference to make it buoyant,
then it's going to be comparatively simple.

(Paul -- do you happen to know the volume of air enclosed?)

The "doors" would need to be sealed, obviously, as well as the
holes around the support beams.  By simply sealing the bottom
with a membrane "floor" it could be made reasonably airtight.

Alternately, since hot air (or any buoyant gas) rises, and the thing
is shaped like an umbrella, It could contain the gases, even without
a floor.  There would be a decent amount of leakage around the
sides.

At the dome's size, though, that leakage might be insignificant.
Remember, we're only talking about an overall temperature
difference of a few degrees -- not 100 degrees, like a hot air
balloon.

> I'm visiting the dismal-looking thing next month (free ticket), so
> I'll get
> to find out how they expect to keep the visitors in. I will add a
> report to
> this page:

Yeah, it's not that attractive a structure -- a much more elegant
design would have been equally "easy" to design, and much
more complementary to London's skyline.  This type of structure
is designed on CAD systems, cut on computer controlled systems
that resemble giant plotters, panels are usually heat welded on
computer controlled systems, etc...  It's not like "it was easier to
build it as a dome."

Witness the Sydney opera house, as a decent example of an
ultramodern membrane-type structure which is actually quite
distinctive and beautiful.

     -- Chuck Knight
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> (Paul -- do you happen to know the volume of air enclosed?)

No, but it could be calculated given the diameter (360m) and a photo.

> The "doors" would need to be sealed, obviously, as well as the
> holes around the support beams.  By simply sealing the bottom
> with a membrane "floor" it could be made reasonably airtight.
>
> Alternately, since hot air (or any buoyant gas) rises, and the thing
> is shaped like an umbrella, It could contain the gases, even without
> a floor.  There would be a decent amount of leakage around the
> sides.
>
> At the dome's size, though, that leakage might be insignificant.
> Remember, we're only talking about an overall temperature
> difference of a few degrees -- not 100 degrees, like a hot air
> balloon.

Great. If you can get rid of it in that way, I'll gladly buy you a pint in a
Greenwich pub of your choice.

> Witness the Sydney opera house, as a decent example of an
> ultramodern membrane-type structure which is actually quite
> distinctive and beautiful.

It is attractive, though there have been serious design problems with the
roof tiles, apparently.

Paul Taylor.
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> > (Paul -- do you happen to know the volume of air enclosed?)
>
> No, but it could be calculated given the diameter (360m) and a
> photo.

So, just under 1/4 mile in diameter.  I thought it was a little larger
than that.

> > At the dome's size, though, that leakage might be insignificant.
> > Remember, we're only talking about an overall temperature
> > difference of a few degrees -- not 100 degrees, like a hot air
> > balloon.
>
> Great. If you can get rid of it in that way, I'll gladly buy you a
> pint in a Greenwich pub of your choice.

I know they were trying to sell it off after New Year's...has anyone
made a serious bid for it?  Where it is, it's ugly.  Perhaps elsewhere,
maybe surrounded by a forest, or on an "empty" desert, it would look
better.  But on the Thames, surrounded by more traditional buildings,
it truly looks like something (that doesn't belong) landed there.

As for the temperature needed to make it buoyant, hot air calculations
are simple enough to do.  We'd need the weight of the structure, the
displacement (and consequently the weight of the air contained), and
a nice safety margin.

A few details would have to be redesigned.  As I remember, the
support beams are tied into the ground with a rather massive
foundation.  It'd have to be isolated from the ground, somehow.

Of course, we're talking about a pneumatic structure if we fill it
with hot air, so it may be a non issue.  The tension wires and
membranes would not be holding up the load if it were converted
to a pneumatic form.  Just keeping it inflated would require only
a slight increase in internal pressure.

Hmmm...Mike?  You're more an expert on this than I.

> > Witness the Sydney opera house, as a decent example of an
> > ultramodern membrane-type structure which is actually quite
> > distinctive and beautiful.
>
> It is attractive, though there have been serious design problems
> with the roof tiles, apparently.

That's not the fault of the membrane design...  The same form
could have been executed in fabric or tensile steel, without roof
tiles.  But, regardless, it's a signature piece -- a source of pride.

Not like that giant pimple on the London skyline.

     -- Chuck Knight
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Hi Everyone,

I just joined this list a few days ago (I was referred by BFI) and I'm
exceedingly glad to be here. This post by Kirby, has rekindled my fire
for living. I have spent most of the day following links to sites that
just blow my mind--there are other people on this planet who think and
care enough to create solutions that benefit everyone. I have found my
family! It seems as if I were raised by strangers in an alien society,
feeling maladapted and out of place in their world. Now I'm back home.
My career, my calling, my life fit into this scenario. The universe is
unfolding before me, as it should be, I am its human offspring. We are
one in the evolving thought-stream of local-universe synergy. We are a
universal family: cocreative sons and daughters of Absolute Integrity!

Yikes, I guess I got a little bit carried away there. <smile> Oh well.

My name really is Dexter Graphic. I live in Eugene, Oregon. And I have
a tendency toward big-picture investigation, fully integrated honesty,
comprehensive accounting, and creative (if somewhat aesthetic) problem
solving. For the last couple of months I have been undergoing a crises
of values and motivation--I have lost hope that the current system can
find its way out of the mess it has created and I no longer want to be
part of it. I feel like I'm finally breaking through all the illusions
which keep people enslaved to the current fear-based, greed-driven and
self-destructive socio-political-economic system. Experience has shown
me that half-hearted commitments do not work and only total dedication
to the service of total humanity will succeed. I'm prepared to give it
a try. <gulp> I will have completed 40 years of living on July 4. This
year, 2000, will be a major turning point for me. Wish me luck, folks!

I'm so glad to be aboard this little ship, now how do I join the crew?

Sincerely,
Dexter Graphic


> -----Original Message-----
> From: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works
> [mailto:GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Kirby Urner
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 00:02
> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> Subject: More links...
>
>
> Re the concept of 'wealth', just stumbled across
> this one:  http://www.puresync.com/bucky.htm
> (quotes me even).
>
> Here's a first person account of a meeting with
> Bucky:  http://www.supremebeing.com/bucky2.html
>
> The Fuller Map at http://www.nous.org.uk/BFMAP.html
> is an entire website connecting RBF-related memes,
> by Paul Taylor.  This labyrinthine website is
> indexed at: http://www.nous.org.uk/BFMAPindex.html
>
> Another fan of 'Critical Path'
> http://www.larryville.com/almon2.htm (Hutchings
> won't like it because it's anti-nuke power)
>
> And while we're at it:
> http://www.ratical.org/corporations/LAWCAP.html
> (I've linked to this page for a long time -- and
> there're return links from
> http://www.ratical.org/corporations/ReadingLinks.html)
>
> Hey, I'm being quoted again (news to me) -- plus
> there's a link to Joe Moore's site (and MSM's) from:
> http://www.whywork.org/rethinking/leisure/bucky.html
>
> This one apparently goes back to 1996, but I hadn't
> seen it before:
> http://www.swifty.com/apase/charlotte/@U104.html
>
> Part of a curriculum website:
> http://www.chamisamesa.net/bucky.html
>
> Also worthy of mention:
>
> http://www.bashar.com/GSP/bucky.htm
> http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/domes/books/bucky.html
> http://www.buildamerica.com/old/7-15-96/wkshow.htm (old)
> http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/~gsd1300a/p_index.html
> http://www.noguchi.org/new_york_and_fuller.html (Noguchi!)
> http://www.hari.com/r_buckminster_fuller.htm
> http://studwww.rug.ac.be/~jvervoor/architects/bucky/bucky.html
> http://store.backinprint.com/sku941150_6526.html
> http://www.porcelainia.com/rbf.html (Bonnie knows him)
> http://ecotopia.com/webpress/ener-syn.htm
> http://www.wiredgonzo.com/original/heavy/bfuller.html (old)
> http://world.std.com/~brd/bucky.html
> http://www.findagrave.com/pictures/fullerrb.html
> http://park.org/Japan/Hitachi/variety/tour_of_tours_e/pro/fular_p.html
> http://207.63.225.98/Mathematics/Classes/calculus/CALCULUS/sld001.htm
> http://www.omniscient-home-school.com/000110.htm
> http://www.eng.usf.edu/~kedwards/main.htm
>
> and the list goes on (and on...)
>
> Kirby
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Paul Taylor wrote:
>
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> From: Charles J Knight <c.knight@JUNO.COM>
>
>
> > Witness the Sydney opera house, as a decent example of an
> > ultramodern membrane-type structure which is actually quite
> > distinctive and beautiful.
>
> It is attractive, though there have been serious design problems with > the roof tiles, apparently.
>
If I recall correctly, the designers also "forgot" to design parking...
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The Critical Pathfinder: Philadelphia's Kiyoshi Kuromiya Lights Up
By: Evan M. Forster, Photo by Ken Probst #169 1996 , POZ Magazine
February/March 1996
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[Image] It's rush hour. Kiyoshi Kuromiya and I jump into a taxi on Lombard
Street, in Philadelphia. "The Atlantic building at South and Broad, please,
and let me tell you the route," commands this 52-year-old Japanese-American
with an unselfish authority that, coming from someone else, might incite
rather than relieve a taxi driver during the rush. Kuromiya has the peaceful
effect one might attribute to the unassuming good shepherd who in the end
turns out to be Gandhi. "Make a left here and pull over to the mailbox," he
continues, his calm belying the number of tasks to be done between now and
when we reach our final destination. "Thank you." He hops out. Tosses the
letter into the mail. Flies back into the taxi. "I have to drop something
off at Au Courant," he tells me, making sure to include the driver in the
conversation about why he's stopping at the offices of the Philadelphia gay
newspaper: "They're doing an article on being gay and Asian, and I have to
give them some information. Stop right over here for a moment. Thank you."
He jumps out again. We watch as the small veteran activist through the
storefront doorway.

"Your friend's got a lot of energy." The driver's now grinning.

"Yes, he does," I answer, wondering what the driver would say if he knew
Kuromiya has a T-cell count somewhere below a hundred and a viral load
booming at well over a million.

Kuromiya leaps back into the cab. "You take Spruce and then left on Broad."
We're finally on our way to the executive meeting of the Philadelphia AIDS
Consortium, which we'll have to leave early so Kuromiya can be home in time
for a conference call with the ad hoc advisory committee to the National
Institutes of Health (NIH) on alternative and complementary AIDS therapies,
not to mention the all-night calls from PWAs with questions about anything
from treatments to services. No problem. He plans to be up most of the night
anyway responding to the 200 or more pieces of e-mail that pour daily into
the Web sight of his virtually one-man operation, Critical Path AIDS
Project, which publishes a quarterly newsletter and maintains a 24-hour
hotline for treatment and service issues.

Kiyoshi Kuromiya, AIDS treatment activist, is certainly a very busy man. But
does he have a life?

The last film he saw was Jurassic Park.

It's hardly surprising when you realize that the better part of most of his
days is spent sealed in the hermetic confines of his tiny apartment, crammed
with reams of papers on AIDS and books on anything from Architecture to
Asian-American issues. He's flanked by several computers, a copy machine --
and somewhere beneath the rubble -- a twin-size bed that looks like it
hasn't been made since Kuromiya left it to attend Martin Luther King, Jr.'s
"I Have a Dream" speech in Washington in 1963.

As Kuromiya answers each phone call and mans the Web site, one begins to
wonder if the last film he really caught wasn't Operation Abolition, a
propaganda film produced by the House Un-American Activities Committee in
the 1950's. Kuromiya's Monrovia, California high school screened it for a
small group of students in the school's accelerated program -- at their
request. The film backfired on its Commie-fearing makers and left the group
even more liberal. (Kuromiya's class was the last to have the accelerated
program.) To this day, Kuromiya thanks the government for helping him see
things a bit more clearly and believes the film may have been the catalyst
for his entry into activism.

Or, could his activism simply be the result of his Wyoming birth, surrounded
by the breathtaking beauty of Heart Mountain and the carefully laid barbed
wire that "protected" his family and thousands of other Japanese-Americans
from the rest of the United States during World War II?

After the war, the 120,000 Japanese-Americans wrongfully imprisoned by the
U.S. government were released and Kuromiya's family returned to California.
Early on, Steve --Kiyoshi is the middle name he opted to use as his first
when "we were all getting back to our roots" ---seemed a bit different to
his rather conservative Christian parents. At an early age, he spent much of
his time in solitude, immersed in books. By nine he had completed a year's
study of Philadelphia.

Why Philadelphia?

In hindsight, Kuromiya says, "It may be something as vague as being
intrigued by the idea of a 'City of Brotherly Love' in the only colony where
religious freedom and freedom of thought were guaranteed. It was a place
where revolutionaries could accomplish quite a bit." Of course this wasn't
the only oddity about the "eldest son of the eldest son of the eldest son,"
in a family of Japanese nobility that dates its name back more than 500
years. "I knew I was different in about 20 ways from the other children I
knew. It's one of the reasons I began to sneak off to the county library to
read the Kinsey Reports." After a while, however, he decided to stop reading
about his differences and do what any budding treatment activist would do:
Experiment.

Picture an 11 year old boy being picked up by the police in Monrovia Park
for sexually corrupting a 16 year old. Kuromiya says he was "physically
quite mature for his age." Apparently the judge who sentenced him thought so
too. Kuromiya spent the next three days "getting all kinds of dates" in Los
Angeles Juvenile Hall. His parents, meanwhile, were completely shamed and
devastated, with no way of knowing that their son would go on to do great
things someday --3,000 miles away, like many gay Asians who prefer to leave
home rather than "disgrace the family."

This past summer, in response to activists' demands, Kuromiya was a
last-minute addition to the NIH's 15-member AIDS Research Evaluation Working
Group, the only PWA of color on this panel reviewing the $1.4 billion
federal AIDS research program. Why Kiyoshi Kuromiya? Who better to
understand the needs of the community than a treatment activist with a vast
history of community service that dates back to the anti-war and civil
rights movements of the '60s and later includes original membership in ACT
UP/Philadelphia?

Still, Kuromiya's not always a welcome addition to a medical/scientific
group that often views him as more of a hindrance than a help. But he is
certainly a necessary one. Kuromiya's is the voice stressing the need for
research on "alternative therapies like gene therapy and treatments in wide
use in the community such as medical marijuana."

Studying use of this "illegal" substance is, of course, not exactly high on
the NIH agenda. Like many others, Kuromiya swears by his "inhaled therapy,"
the term he uses for smoking marijuana to bolster his appetite and his
nutritional intake and ultimately combat wasting syndrome. "Most people [who
die of AIDS] die of malnutrition. It's amazing that the ACTG [AIDS Clinical
Trials Group] has never done a study on nutrition in PWAs. We know for a
fact that weight loss is a perfect barometer for the correlation between
disease progress and death."

Holding unpopular views is merely de rigueur for a man whose r*sum* includes
a beating by the Montgomery, Alabama sheriff in 1965 during a civil rights
march on the state capital, helping that same year to organize the first
ever gay rights march in U.S. history and interrogations by the Secret
Service for his involvement in the anti-war protest at the Democratic
National Convention in Chicago in 1968 - not to mention his 1967 threat to
napalm a dog in the middle of an Ivy League campus.

Napalm a dog?

In the spring of 1967 a flyer circulated through the streets of Philadelphia
which read, "On Friday at noon on the campus of the University of
Pennsylvania we will use napalm on a defenseless dog to illustrate the
horrors of this weapon. Innocent Vietnamese are being burned alive by the
jelly-like gasoline, paid for by your U.S. tax dollars," recalls the man who
signed the announcement as the "Ameri-Cong." "The mayor and the police chief
made all kinds of threats against whoever was doing this. The ASPCA made
angry statements in the news and Sen. Joseph Clark made a public statement
denouncing the action."

When 2,000 people gathered on the appointed day, instead of witnessing the
burning of a dog, they were handed flyers which read: "Congratulations. You
have just saved the life of a dog. Now, how about saving the lives of
thousands of innocent people in Vietnam?" Never before had so many people
turned out for an anti-war demonstration in Philadephia.

Such protests were a staple of Kuromiya's life as an undergraduate
architecture student. A member of Students for a Democratic Society, founder
of the Gay Liberation Front in Philadelphia and frequent organizer of press
conferences on Asian issues, he was also closely involved with Martin Luther
King, Jr. and an active supporter of the Black Panthers and a host of
women's rights organizations. Oddly enough, when not organizing or
protesting, Kuromiya was spending considerable time in Philadelphia's finest
restaurants and theaters, doing research as editor of The Collegiate Guide
to Greater Philadelphia - one of the most popular guides to the city - which
he created. Add to this absurd number of commitments Kuromiya's tendency to
ignore basic curriculum requirements (opting instead for honors graduate
courses) and it's no wonder that he never got an undergraduate degree.

The equivalent of graduate work in Kuromiya's life progressed in a similarly
unconventional manner. Instead of enrolling at a university, he did so with
an individual: R. Buckminster Fuller. "In 1977, having just had the upper
lobe of my left lung removed due to seminoma cancer, I was lying in my
hospital bed and for some reason I got the impression that he was in the
next room," says Kuromiya of the admittedly bizarre path that led him to the
architect/inventor/philosopher who would, more than any other individual,
profoundly influence his life. "For several years I had been using his
geodesic map - the only map that shows all of the earths' surface with no
distortion--to track ley lines or dragon trails to connect the earth's
different energy points that I had seen in dreams," says Kuromiya, referring
to his use of an Eastern philosophical practice which places one's dreams
within the context of waking life. His use of the maps, interest in Fuller's
books and the fact that the architect did end up in the hospital for
emergency prostate surgery a day after Kuromiya's vision, were the series of
signs that finally led Kuromiya to volunteer at the architect's office.

Within a few months, Fuller recognized Kuromiya's uncanny ability to
accurately transcribe and make sense of his architectural and philosophical
ramblings. For the next five years Kuromiya flew all over the world with
Bucky (as Fuller became known to him), never leaving his side until the
architect's death in 1983. In that time, Kuromiya helped organize and record
the last four books that Fuller would write. Interestingly, he was credited
on the covers, not as editor or co-author, but as Fuller's "adjuvant,"
which, Kuromiya says, "is a medical term specifically used in immunology to
describe something that provides a superior immune response." Kuromiya
chuckles at the notion, modestly dismissing any application to himself.

While he might believe in dragon paths or ley lines, Kuromiya sees almost no
prophetic connection between Fuller's description of him as an "adjuvant"
and the AIDS work that he began long before his own positive test result in
1989. In fact, when asked to describe himself or his role in the fight
against AIDS, Kuromiya avoids the question entirely and shifts the
conversation back to Fuller.

"I'm much more impressed with how Bucky described himself as being an
ordinary person who could accomplish a rather large task simply by applying
himself to a particular problem. It's why humans are here in the universe:
To gather information and to solve problems. It's the order of Fuller's
concept, the Critical Path. First things come first, step by step. That way
we can do things that we think of as being impossible. Like the space
program, for example." Although Kuromiya adopted the name Critical Path for
his AIDS treatment and service organization, he never seems to consciously
make the connection between his own seemingly insurmountable task as an AIDS
treatment activist of color--whose job requires not only fighting for
broader research, but also getting treatment to underserved populations such
as people of color, prisoners, adolescents, women and rural communities--and
sending a man to the moon and back.

It's 5:30 p.m. as we leave The Philadelphia AIDS Consortium executive
committee meeting where Kuromiya not only cast his vote concerning a Ryan
White Title One issue but discreetly distributed medical marijuana and
received a small bag of protease inhibitors. We head down Broad Street and
enter the offices of We The People, a multicultural organization that
Kuromiya and his longtime friend and roommate, the late Temple Minner, began
as a small storefront drop-in center for PWAs in 1988. (It is now the
nation's largest PWA membership coalition and has served over 40,000 hot
meals since its creation.) The people here are mostly from underserved
populations and may not be familiar with Critical Path concepts, but they
clearly sense the gravity and power behind the unassuming facade of the 5'
6" Asian gentleman at my side.

"My son's on AZT and his T-cell count is dropping below 100," says a calm
but desperate black man to Kuromiya.

"AZT? I'd try to get him on an AZT and 3TC combination," Kuromiya says. "I'm
not making a recommendation, but I'd ask the doctor about it and then look
for a protease inhibitor."

"Thank you."

"If you have any more questions, you know Critical Path's hotline number. If
I'm not there it has a beeper number and you can page me and I'll try to
help you."

He takes Kuromiya's hand. "I appreciate it."

Kuromiya's not comfortable with this small physical display of gratitude,
let alone with the 10 more minutes of it coming from several others before
we're back in a taxi on our way back to his apartment--or rather, on our way
to pick up some pamphlets at a printer and whatever else Kuromiya's got to
attend to. He's leaving in the morning for a meeting in San Francisco of the
ad hoc panel on complementary and alternative therapies and of course, while
he's there, a brief stop at the Cannabis Buyers Club.

While I'm interviewing Kuromiya, the White House is holding an AIDS summit
to review its commitment to the war on this disease, or as the treatment
activist puts it, "the biggest health care crisis of the century-- for which
Clinton refuses to commit the same level of financial resources as he has
for hurricanes and earthquakes." So, I'm thinking as he goes on to call
health care "the new civil rights battleground," can we refer to Kiyoshi
Kuromiya as a full-time activist?"

"No. No. Labels like that are much too limiting to describe what one's life
is about," Kuromiya is quick to say. He prefers to think of himself as a
"comprehensivist." "It's Fuller's term for young people because they're
interested in everything and they haven't been de-geniused," he says. "They
haven't been put through an educational mill and made to specialize in a
particular field, making them inflexible experts who are often unable to see
how other seemingly unrelated areas impact on the area in which they're
doing their specialized research."

Several minutes later, he's still paraphrasing Fuller when I interrupt. "Do
you miss him?"

"I'm sorry?"

"Fuller. Do you miss him?"

Silence. It feels as if I've crossed into a restricted area. Almost
clinically, Kuromiya begins to speak again.

"I think of Fuller as being a very special person--as if you had access to
someone like Ben Franklin. But let me be really honest: No, not
particularly. On the other hand I don't miss Temple Minner, either." He
notices my surprise. "I could get bogged down in all of that very easily, in
all of the people I've known who are no longer with us, but I prefer to make
sure I get every ounce out of what's alive and vital and interesting and
important and useful now, and look at the people who are still alive,"
Kuromiya continues, not as a bubbling optimist but as a realist--the one
label he's willing to give himself. "After all, I'm not the only one who's
still alive. There are a lot of people who were infected when I was
infected." (Sometime between '79 and '81, he speculates.) And then,
satisfying any unanswered questions, he adds, "I mean, I made the circuit of
the same bathhouses in LA, San Francisco and New York as they did."

I know for many people it would be like a gaping wound that would never
heal," Kuromiya says with a slight shrug when I ask why he's never had a
long-term relationship, "but for the most part I'm very independent and
eccentric, so I don't know if that would be my cup of tea, anyway." He seems
to have dismissed the subject--not just with me, but entirely, as if there
were no time for it. I can't help but wonder if there's something I'm not
getting. "Perhaps it's a cultural thing," he says with a grin, as if he's
read my mind. "You know, being of Asian descent, there's a stereotype that
we're very reserved and not very emotional."

Unemotional? Independent? No long-term relationships? Oh, really? So what
about this current relationship with Kris, a 20-year-old temptation Kuromiya
met on the street?

One fated eve, following a chi-chi AIDS fundraiser, Kuromiya, decked in a
tux, met Kris--whose wife, it turns out, was giving birth that same starry
night. "They were in trouble. They were just starting out. They were
homeless," Kuromiya says. And while his brief physical relationship with
Kris amounted to very little, Kuromiya realized, "Kris and his family needed
a place to stay and I tended to need someone around before I went batty like
a hermit."

So what started out as a street pickup, then quickly moved into a
no-room-at-the-inn/away-in-a-manger tale, was actually Critical Path
problem-solving incarnate? "Really the situation worked out like a dream. We
were people helping one another." Kiyoshi had the space. Kris and Danielle
needed a home--not to mention someone who could help take care of their
infant, Krista.

"It's a rare experience that most gay men are cheated out of," Kuromiya says
of his time spent nurturing Krista for the first three years of her life.
"She keeps the same kind of hours as I do," he says, an unusual grin
momentarily replacing his face's usual sobriety. "So, early on Sunday
mornings, before anyone else is awake, we often sit on the front steps and
sing songs to each other." The smile fades. "But that was before they moved
into Danielle's mother's house." Six weeks ago Kris had emergency surgery
due to a brain aneurysm, "...and there's the possibility the three might not
come back here."

"Do you miss the baby?"

"No. No, I don't miss her. I'm glad to have been able to have that
experience." Kuromiya folds his arms.

The questions are getting too personal again, but it's late. Somewhere past
midnight. I've exhausted all of the questions about his work as a treatment
activist and all of the thousand other AIDS-related programs and services
that fill his 24-hour days. What I really want to find out is who Kiyoshi
Kuromiya is, so I press on.

"Do you ever get lonely? I mean, is it difficult not having someone in your
life, a significant - "

The phone rings.

"Excuse me for just one moment." He picks it up, answering the third call to
interrupt our interview in the past hour. "Yes, this is Kiyoshi." He listens
for a moment. "You might want to mention to your doctor that a friend
suggested you look into getting a spinal tap....They take a small needle and
insert it between the vertebrae and draw out spinal fluid to check for the
fungus. . . .Yes, I know, but it's not as scary as it seems. In fact it's
relatively painless..."

He's at ease once more, calmly answering the late-night questions of a
frightened PWA.

Observing the instant change in Kuromiya's demeanor finally makes me realize
the lunacy of my line of questioning.

Lonely? Kuromiya's much too busy to be lonely. Too busy to be concerned with
whether there's a significant other in his life. He's busy helping people,
the many significant others in his life: At We The People, in buyers clubs,
on the Web and on the street. Busy solving problems. One step at a time.
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   22-MAY-2000  5:02
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 didn't someone note that the air in the hemisphere was the same mass
 as the dome, itself?

 thus quoth:
  (Paul -- do you happen to know the volume of air enclosed?)

 --The duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net.bushb.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   22-MAY-2000  5:46
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 the "evil" is not adequately portrayed a Hobbesian "arithmetization,"
 normerely the algebraization of a Newton (vis-a-vu Kepler's orbital
 constraints; he apparently stole the inverse-second-power law
 from Hooke, anyway) -- uh-uh;
 the problem is Systems Analysis -- sorry!

 the UN sturctures of the World Bank, WTO, IMF et al are oligarchical,
 not what FDR had in mind, at all, although, yes,
 their primary "inventory" is monetarist.
    it is a strange use of the E.India Co., that
 it is a "ghost ship," when considering such latter-day,
 privatized, royalty entities such as Crown Agents --
 they will rum your goment, for you!
    as for the quote of Hobbes Leviathan about ab artificial soul,
 we had a magazine-length report,
 "The Administrative Leviathan of George Bush," based
 upon such niceties as the tripling of DoJ/FBI funding
 over the course of his influence -- soon, supposedly according
 to the moulding of the polls, to be reincarnated,
 lock, stock, barrel and machine-gun rounds!
 (the "kithcen cabinet" is largely the old, Bushwhacker Cabinet.)

 Leibniz was the great propounder of atomism,
 with his monads; see the current issue of 21C Science & Tech.,
 http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/current.htm.

 Euclid never defined lines< i think, as "infinite rods," although
 that might be  just fine, geiven the ratio of the diameter
 to the length!...  the "undefined" ideal is inherent
 to the use of the axiomatic method, although
 it was itself undefined, then; eh?

 --The End WAS Nigh.
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm  (Panama Deception!)
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   22-MAY-2000  6:11
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 oops.

  Kuromiya's not comfortable with this small physical display of gratitude,
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  <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   22-MAY-2000  5:02
                   r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

   didn't someone note that the air in the hemisphere was the same mass
   as the dome, itself?

   thus quoth:
    (Paul -- do you happen to know the volume of air enclosed?)

   --The duke of Oil!
   http://www.tarpley.net.bushb.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   22-MAY-2000  6:20
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 sorry, monsieur Graphique, but
 something on PEN seems to be misqueued.
    we have a little hazing ritual to "get on board," here,
 involving extravehicular adventure (EVA), called,
 The Space Program; you have to get out, to get back in!

 --I Shot the Sherriff!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushjfk.htm
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Hello all,

Last night my church congregation voted to build a Geodesic Dome sanctuary.
We plan to purchase the kit from Oregon Dome.

I was attracted to the thread (Cloud structures)  by it's title. There is a
60 Ft dome church near us which has a very interesting 'cloud structure'
which I believe has important acoustic properties.

Their sanctuary is an open 60 Ft dome.  They have a 20 Ft triangular
cylinder suspended from the apex of the dome.  It is constructed of gossamer
fabric and rotates (and ripples slightly) in the air currents.  In the
darkened dome, they project images onto it from a slide projector.  The
images seem to float in air.  Very dramatic!

I believe the structure also serves to absorb some sound.  They use
microphones and 4 sets of speakers, and the dome room appears to have good
(if somewhat quirky) acoustical properties, but then so do all buildings.

Dean Smith
Shoreline, WA
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Dexter,

You might enjoy rummaging around my website:

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> Hi Everyone,
>
> I just joined this list a few days ago (I was referred by BFI) and I'm
> exceedingly glad to be here. This post by Kirby, has rekindled my fire
> for living. I have spent most of the day following links to sites that
> just blow my mind--there are other people on this planet who think and
> care enough to create solutions that benefit everyone.
(big snip)
> Dexter Graphic
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   25-MAY-2000  6:26
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 you say, we are trying to be "mollycoddled" by the establishment!
    no, we are being assaulted, tooth-and-nail by the DNC, the Supreme Court,
 the scurrillous "mainstream" media -- there are no papers, any more? --
 and so on.  did you get any glimmer of the vote
 in the Arkansas Dem Primary?...
    I saw nothing, but what is on our website, although
 a political science teacher o'mine, shook me hand,
 before I'd read it, leaving me to wonder for a while!

 thus quoth:
  B'nai Brith's Anti-Defamation League, I realize that LaRouche is really
  into that sort of conspiracy theory, but common sense should tell you
  exactly what would be the effect of that sort of thinking on our abilities
  to recognize exactly what does and doesn't have a crushing affect on our
  lives.  Right-wing doctrine seems to give a lot of support to people who

 it'sightwing doctrine" to point out,
 when some supposedly "left" org, like the ADL lodges,
 operate to create a mini-holocaust (in the media) ??

 --Panama Deception!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm
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> <<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings
> 25-MAY-2000  6:26
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>  you say, we are trying to be "mollycoddled" by the establishment!

I never said any such thing!!!!  How dare you accuse me of saying thing I
never even thought!!
Hell, I don't even know what you're talking about!
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Eat this you anti-renewable energy fanatics!

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:36:43 -0500
From: Bruce Sterling <bruces@well.com>
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Key concepts:  green energy, Green Mountain, Toyota

Attention Conservation Notice:  It's  corporate propaganda
from a major car manufacturer and a green electric utility
owned by a Republican.  It's stuffy, self-serving and
boring.  This is the Viridian victory-condition. If we get
this kind of news on a massive scale worldwide, that means
that we win.

Sources: PRNewswire, NewsEdge Corporation
Suzie Quinn, 802-846-6315, Suzie.quinn@greenmountain.com
Web site:  http://www.toyota.com
Web site:  http://www.greenmountain.com

"Toyota Goes 'Greener' With Green Mountain Energy(SM)

"SAN FRANCISCO, Calif., May 23, 02000
GreenMountain.com and Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A.,
Inc., have signed an agreement under which the auto
company will purchase Green Mountain Energy(SM) renewable
power.  The agreement, one of the largest commercial
'green' energy contracts in California, is effective
immediately.

     "'We are pleased to announce that Toyota has enhanced
their commitment to changing the way power is made.  They
are purchasing 100% renewable Green Mountain Energy(SM)
power blend that includes at least 5% 'new' wind power
from three new turbines in San Gorgonio, Calif.,
specifically developed last year to serve
GreenMountain.com customers,' said Julie Blunden, western
regional president of GreenMountain.com.  'To have a
company like Toyota take the next step and choose to
support 'new' wind generation, demonstrates a real
commitment on their part by taking small but important
first steps towards a cleaner environment.'

     "'Toyota has been a pioneer in environmental
responsibility throughout every facet of the planning,
design, research, manufacturing, sales and service of our
vehicles,' said Jim Press, TMS executive vice president.
'Development of our all-new Prius hybrid vehicle, on sale
this summer, is one example of this responsibility, and
utilizing renewable power from GreenMountain Energy(SM) is
yet another.' (...)

    "As one of the first automotive companies to make a
commitment to purchase renewable power, Toyota estimates
that the annual usage under the contract to be 40 million
kWh of renewable energy, which is equal to the amount of
power used annually by 6,060 average California homes.

     "GreenMountain.com began offering a cleaner energy
choice to California consumers in 1998.  Since that time,
the company has dedicated itself to making consumers aware
that the number one industrial cause of air pollution in
the U.S. is the generation of electricity. In response to
the increased demand for cleaner energy choices,
GreenMountain.com has spurred the development of three new
wind turbines and two new solar facilities in California.

     "The wind Toyota is purchasing comes from the three
new 750 kW wind turbines located in the San Gorgonio Pass
near Palm Springs that became operational in June 1999.
These wind turbines were the first new sources of
renewable energy built as a direct result of customer
choice.  California-based residential consumers can
support new wind by switching to a power blend called
'Wind for the Future(SM)' which supports 25% new wind
generation.

     "On April 10 of this year, GreenMountain.com
introduced a new power blend called  'Solar for the
Future(SM)', the first 100% renewable power blend in the
nation that specifically supports the development of new
solar facilities. (...)

    "The Toyota contract is the most recent addition to
the growing list of California commercial customers
choosing Green Mountain Energy(SM) renewable energy
blends.  Those customers include Kinkos, Birkenstock, the
Episcopal Diocese of California (which includes 26
individual churches including historic Grace Cathedral in
San Francisco) and Real Goods Trading Co of Ukiah."
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Hello fellow Earthians,

I've been looking into open source software of late and wonder
what your opinions might be regarding this trend and some of
the specific programs being developed. I have encountered the
argument on some web sites that open source software will help
developing third world countries enter the information age. This
sounds like a worthy design science achievement. Do you agree?

Unfortunately, I am just getting into this as my background is
as a Windows, Microsoft Office, Visual Basic developer. I build
databases and productivity enhancements for small businesses.
The recent incriminations against Microsoft have disturbed me.
I always felt that their products were very well designed and
user friendly. What bothers me, though, is the corporate, big
money, arrogance which poisons the creativity of these people.

Perhaps software will be the leading edge of a global shift to
commonwealth development as Fuller envisioned for the housing
industry. It's certainly cheaper to replicate than domes. <g>

Regards,
Dexter
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   27-MAY-2000  5:25
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 well, as you mention the Commonwealth (sik),
 Santa's OS is also Betty Dos' !!

 thus quoth:
  Perhaps software will be the leading edge of a global shift to
  commonwealth development as Fuller envisioned for the housing
  industry. It's certainly cheaper to replicate than domes. <g>

 --The duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   27-MAY-2000  5:49
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 this is in reply to 2 posts, one quoting from Znet (Z magazine's) and
 the other from Bruce Sterling's Viridian list.
    first of all, the fact of recent, anomalous & somewhat seasonal change
 inthe Arctic icepack, which is quite ephemeral in extent,
 historically, is used in the same ridiculous, conclusory way,
 as is the latter-day sighting-by-satellite of the Biggest Iceberg Ever
 Noticed, a small-US-state-size piece of the Ross Ice Shelf --
 which cannot change sealevel, were the whole thing to calve
 (it be floating, mates !-)
    I am not saying that there is not, even, great changes of climate,
 but (as I noted to a recent panel at UCLAn satellite telemetry,
 sponsored by the IGPP) "global" warming is a horrid synonym
 for the circa 1896 notion of "overall" warming,
 the fist-off "model" of Svente Ahrrenius, that has eversince
 been the paradigm that is used to create the computerized simulacra --
 even though it is simply as dead as a doornail.
    for instance, it doesn't even come anywhere near to being able
 to model the diffential heating of common glass house,
 situated at some lattitude on Earth (as a minimal paramaterization .-)
    I may get into some of the particulars, next, but
 the important thing is, qui bono?...  thte ignoramuses about radiation
 --the single most-studied toxin on Earth,
 since "Hiroshima and Nagasaki, two"--
 demand that we go on an edict-of-Diocletian-like scarcity, now,
 over the matter of their "fossilized" fuels, using such absurdities
 as the coal-slurry pipeline from Big Mountain to the powerplant
 in the Mojave, without noting the vastly smaller infrasrtuctural needs
 of fission power (the matter of "waste" is also relative,
 to the use of a *full* nuclear fuel-cycle, as opposed
 to treating the stuff like high-toxicity hazard, which it is not,
 unless you are firmly believing in the EPA's old, bad "LNT" protocol
 -- whose furthest data-point is often "half o'the rats is dead, now!"
 ["LD-50" .-])

 thus quoth:
  that the polar bear could be extinct by
  2020. In March 2000, Worldwatch revealed that Arctic sea ice, covering
  an area the size of the United States, shrunk by an estimated 6 percent
  between 1978 and 1996, losing an average of 34,300 square kilometres -
  an area larger than the Netherlands - each year. Over the same period,
  the ice has thinned from 3.1 meters to 1.8 meters - a decline of nearly
  40 percent in less than 30 years.
  If these catastrophes had been the result of an 'evil empire'

 Why does not Sun rise on the British Empire, legally?

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   27-MAY-2000  6:11
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 I went to Council to decry their contracting the City
 with "commonwealth Energy," calling it a scam 3 times (as well
 as once at Los Angeles Council, which adopted it, later
 for the DWP), before Nader stuck his big Green **** into it,
 as quoted in the Times, calling it also a scam -- but
 solely *pour raison conumeriste* (that it was just a marking-up and
 relabelling of "old renewable e").  Qui bono, if
 the price of energy is suddenly sent straight through the roof,
 whether or not by the Prtocol of the Elders of Kyoto (sik) --
 through the roof of the co-called glass house effect?
    Green Mountain Power got an office to boiler-room
 in Vermont, somewhere near Green Mtn. -- the whole state -- although
 they were really (I guess) a Californian outgrowth
 of the Gorbachov Foundation in SF, where Daniel Freeman was working
 on e-dereg, prior to coming to LA to head the DWP,
 appointed by Mayor Howdy Riordan of Apollo Investments ("Richard,
 YOU don't have to be a rocket-scientist; try being a "businessman" --
 please!")

 please, note the sequencing of events, herein:
 deregulation, firstly, then "green e" with a small G --
 which was what was *openly* developed at the Gorby Fdn.

 how many "
 sisters" are left in the oilbiz, folks, and where
 is the center of their cartel universe?
    Freeman really betrayed his roots at the TVA, so far, although
 he has recently said a few intersting things, on the radio!

 --The Duke of Oil!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm

 thus quoth:
  Attention Conservation Notice:  It's  corporate propaganda
  from a major car manufacturer and a green electric utility
  owned by a Republican.  It's stuffy, self-serving and
  boring.  This is the Viridian victory-condition. If we get
  this kind of news on a massive scale worldwide, that means
  that we win.

 just say, Doh!
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<<MESSAGE from>> Brian Q. Hutchings                   27-MAY-2000  6:26
                 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us

 "human nature" may certainly be the essential prerequisite
 for these thing to "just happen," but
 all of them have significant, ulterior actors,
 which you may consign to the closed-end of the paper-bag
 into which you hyperventilate, for your notion of conspiracy (means,
 breathing *together* .-)
    just to take the case of E.Timor,
 haphazardly diffentiated from W.Timor in the Indonesian Archipelago,
 more or less; qui bono, from an "independant" E.Timor?

 thus quoth:
  helplessness could go too far if the populace knew the dangers.  The change

 thus quoth:
  and act as if kids getting their hands on guns isn't really an issue that

 the language of the 2nd Amenment is not wholly explicit, but
 it should be clear that a "well-organized militai" requires that
 the population not be disarmed, in spite of their lack
 of organization; it cannot "go" the other way.
    we just had another townmweeting, I think,
 on the subject of the video-training that is making this rampant,
 both within and without the police & miltary; op.cit.doc.Richard Grossman!

 --Panama Deception!
 http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm
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Kirby:

Where did you relocate the the Synergetics list, or has it ceased
to function?
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Depletion of the world's farmland and increasingly unpredictable
weather will require agriculture to be moved into the space age
of environmental control, using methods such as Buckminster
Fuller's 'growth houses.' I believe global climate change caused
by greenhouse emissions is the greatest challenge agriculture has
ever faced. Lester R. Brown said, we'll know we're in trouble
when food prices start to rise.

http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000522/17/world-soil-survey

Survey: Half of Farm Soil Imperiled

Updated 5:06 PM ET May 22, 2000

By DAVID BRISCOE, Associated Press Writer

   WASHINGTON (AP) - A new analysis of detailed satellite photos
of the earth's land mass and
   other data is helping scientists determine the state of global
agriculture. Their conclusion: It's in
   trouble.

   Previous data has assessed individual agricultural systems,
but the U.N.-affiliated International
   Food Policy Research Institute is looking at the whole world
and concludes that nearly 40 percent
   of farmland is seriously degraded.

   Soil erosion, loss of organic matter, hardening of soil,
chemical penetration, nutrient depletion,
   excess salinity and other damaging influences on soil have
left much of the world's potential and
   previous agricultural land unusable, according to the new
analysis. The research covers only
   human-induced degradation.

   It says 75 percent of all cropland in Central America is
seriously degraded, 20 percent in Africa
   and 11 percent in Asia.

   "This is the first attempt we know of that has tried to
synthesize all the best available data and
   come up with a global perspective," Philip Pardey, senior
research fellow at IFPRI, said Monday.

   On the satellite map, the world's land is divided into pixels,
each representing an area of about
   one square kilometer, or roughly 250 acres. One striking
conclusion was that 40 percent of all
   irrigated land is in China and India, Pardey said.

   Kate Sebastian, IFPRI geographic information systems analyst
who helped direct the study, said
   the new data shows that between 25 and 30 percent of all land
can be defined as agricultural,
   based on 30 percent agricultural use or more.

   Sebastian said the research has produced the first complete
mapping of the globe that shows
   agricultural intensity. Earlier mapping showed only areas
where 60 percent or more of the land
   was used for agriculture.

   Ismail Serageldin, chairman of the U.N.'s Consultative Group
on International Agricultural
   Research, of which IFPRI is a part, said the new mapping
raises new concerns about the world's
   ability to feed itself.

   The problem is the worst in developing countries, he said.

   "These are precisely the regions where the greatest growth in
food production will be needed, but
   where all indications are that achieving such growth will be
the most difficult," said Serageldin.
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New b&w pic of Bucky:

 http://www.as.udayton.edu/visualarts/course/VAP340/tutbuc.html

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According to World Game's website, Medard Gabel will have his new book
published by St.Martin's Press in the Spring of 2001.  Not sure of title.
See: http://www.worldgame.org/info/fuller.htm .

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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What happened, did he break his glasses? It looks like one side is taped
to his forehead. And he is holding up the other side. A strange picture.

Dex

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> New b&w pic of Bucky:
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>  http://www.as.udayton.edu/visualarts/course/VAP340/tutbuc.html
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> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
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Great article Joe, thanks for the link. Have you ever attended one of
these World-game workshops in person? I would love to see the huge map.

Cheers,
Dexter


> According to World Game's website, Medard Gabel will have his new book
> published by St.Martin's Press in the Spring of 2001.  Not sure of title.
> See: http://www.worldgame.org/info/fuller.htm .
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> Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
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"Ethics" by R Buckminster Fuller (Saturday Review, 1973)

 http://www.xlibris.de/magickriver/ethics.htm

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
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Dexter,

I've attended several World Game workshops.  For a pic of the "Big Map" see:
http://www.worldgame.org/workshops/index.html

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

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> Great article Joe, thanks for the link. Have you ever attended one of
> these World-game workshops in person? I would love to see the huge map.
>
> Cheers,
> Dexter
>
> > According to World Game's website, Medard Gabel will have his new book
> > published by St.Martin's Press in the Spring of 2001.  Not sure of
title.
> > See: http://www.worldgame.org/info/fuller.htm .
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Date:         Wed, 31 May 2000 10:03:58 -0700
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Subject:      Re: Largest possible dome size?
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Paul,

Temcor claims that they can build domes of over 1000' diam; see:
http://www.temcor.com/profile.html .

Using tensegrity design, there is no theoretical limit to how large a dome
may be. See:
http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-T.htm

Joe S Moore: joemoore@cruzio.com
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

"News" <graphics@jdnews.com> wrote in message
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> Hello:
>
> Would it be possible to build an enclosed, hemispherical geodesic dome
> entirely of non-flammable materials which was more than 2,000' in
diameter?
>
> What is the largest-size dome ever built? Ever proposed?
>
> What are the current theoretical maximums in strength / weight / size
> ratios?
>
> Thank you very much for your help,
>
> Best regards,
> Paul Woodward