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Hutchings -- testin 05-NOV-2001 5:52 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us t'know, this used to be called, imperialism, or colonialism. thus quoth: secrecy, intelligence, political sagacity, quiet ruthlessness, covert actions that remain covert, above all infinite patienceall these are forgotten or overridden in a media-stoked frenzy for immediate results, and nagging complaints if they do not get them. --1000 and 7 Knights! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 08:51:28 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: The Word Dymaxion Comments: To: pbs@cwru.edu Comments: cc: "Snyder, Jaime" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr Paul Saitta, FYI, the word "Dymaxion" was trademarked years ago by R Buckminster = Fuller and is now, I believe, owned by the Buckminster Fuller Institute = in Sebastopol, CA (http://209.196.135.250/ ). Ref: http://www.dymaxion.org/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:10:18 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: great circles Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jobi, Look on this page http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/AboutBFBooks-G-L.htm (scroll down to "Great Circles"). I believe it was published in Wellington, New Zealand, however, some sources indicate a city named Wellington in the USA. The Library of Congress Call Number is TH2170.G55. The Dewey Number is 690/.8/1. ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: great circles > From: "Jobi" > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:03:47 +0100 > > I am looking for the book > Rupert & Felicity Glover > GREAT CIRCLE DOMES. > Please can I receive some information ? > Thank you, Jobi. > > .:'':. > .::::::::. The DomeHome Email List . http://www.domegroup.org > > ** subscribe/unsubscribe to this list (under DOG LISTS) and subscribe to > DOME at http://www.hoflin.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:37:24 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Saitta Subject: Re: The Word Dymaxion Comments: To: Joe S Moore Comments: cc: "Snyder, Jaime" In-Reply-To: <003a01c166da$e5f7a3c0$d2a92618@pima1.az.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Joe S Moore wrote: > Mr Paul Saitta, > > FYI, the word "Dymaxion" was trademarked years ago by R Buckminster > Fuller and is now, I believe, owned by the Buckminster Fuller > Institute in Sebastopol, CA (http://209.196.135.250/ ). I am aware of that, and I acknowledge them in the first link on my pages [0], and have for a long time -- there's even a direct link to their site. I've amended the text, both there and in the "legal" page which is linked from every page in the site to specifically make note of that fact, and disclaim any claim or endorsement on the word. "Dymaxion" has also been used by other groups online -- there was a heavy metal band of that name who previously owned dymaxion.net, and there is a computer consulting company (founded 1973) operating under the name at dymaxion.com -- they even give an alternate definition of the term. I have a great respect for Mr. Fuller and for his ideas -- I wouldn't have chosen the name otherwise. I wish BFI the best of luck in all of their endeavors. Paul Saitta [0]: "What is Dymaxion", ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:50:02 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Dymaxion Comments: To: David Dymaxion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, Thanks for satisfying my curiosity. I'm not aware of anyone building a replica--I wish someone would. Have you checked out my list of Dymaxion refs? See "Dymaxion Car" and "Dymaxion Vehicle": http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Dy-Dz.htm . The BFVI is my one-man website. ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dymaxion" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Dymaxion > "Dymaxion" is not my real last name, I just thought it made for a > neat alias. > > I see you are with the "Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute." I > think Fuller one of the greatest minds ever. I'm interested in car > technology, and was really impressed by his Dymaxion Car, so I > adopted it as part of my alias. I heard a rumor someone was building > a replica of one -- have you heard about that? I'd love to hear how > it turned out. I like the pics on your web page, too. > > --- Joe S Moore wrote: > > Dear David, > > > > How did you ever get the last name of "Dymaxion"? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 05:28:44 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] body-mind-soul <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings -- testin 08-NOV-2001 5:28 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us do you mean, "Please, don't quote the offending spewage," or "Take a 1000 deep breaths," or to hyperventilate? seriously, I am really pissed at my provider o'site, Homestead.com, because it may seem that -- based upon a survey of two ".edu" access-points -- they are working with CyberPatrol to mess my site "up." that is to say, while it was simply blocked for some time, with their "check point" screen being all you could get (and also dysabling the "back" button), now, it doesn't allow GIFs to dyslpay, nor any documents (Word i.e.) to be viewed: that includes the GIF that is the cover of the Bush bio., and all of the JPEGs that I finally got scanned, and all of my flyers for the schoolboard. so, am I paranoid enough, herein? thus quoth: > If it does any good to make a suggestion, mine would be this: if > someone posts a message you consider an affront or rank idiocy, > practice non-attachment. I'm trying my best. Mostly leaving them unread or partially read too. It is interesting how in times of crisis all those unlovely human qualities come --Parental Advisory! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:14:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Media Concentration <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings -- testin 08-NOV-2001 6:14 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us [another stupid, arbitrary or rotten thing about Homestead: one cannot save GIFs, nor in the public-domain GIF-clone, even thought the latter is an option in the dialog-box (I think, this is a .PNG file; one *can* save as a ".PCX," but it doesn't seem to be as common). (I'd thought, CompuServe had decided to allow the PD use of GIFs, after all; is that not, So?)] what Friendly Fred says about Sir George's "blood atrocities," is largelly exposed in the '92 biography, and is the basis for my absurd campaign to get Pres. George to a) exhonerate, or b) pardon, or c) simply cite the URL for the bio., and let the Original Georgian twist in the wind for as long as it takes for him to decide. as President, he can do any of these things, and probably more that I'm unaware of (but I would *not* advise a courtmartial of the former Commander-in-chief !-) the essentail idea is to give him some breathing-room in which to think, by demoting (or just putting on notice) the cabal of Iran-contra klingons and 'WAND' Corp. geopols -- the "clash of civs" directorate from hoary academia. as for the BBC being so great, this is largely (with Reuters) because of a default; these "expat" orgs o'th'Empire are usually the sole source of "information" from these places, like Afghanistan. that is, check into the corporate existence of Al-Jeezrta, or what ever it's called! thus quoth: See, this I can mostly understand. BBC is, I think, significant better that the American wire services, but sure, they are going to serve government interests in the final analysis. Might it be that the MI5 philosophy tends less to media control, or at least is more subtle in it's approach. I'm not sure where this all takes us. Have you heard John Stockwell speak or read any of his writings about what he did when with the CIA? I may be quoting him in response to Jim Booth soon. thus quoth: From: FAIR-L@FAIR.ORG (FAIR-L) FAIR-L Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting Media analysis, critiques and news reports ACTION ALERT: FCC Moves to Lift Cross-Ownership Ban October 26, 2001 Just two days after the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the FCC began to eliminate the last remaining shreds of regulation on media concentration. With all eyes elsewhere, the FCC voted unanimously to "review" laws that prohibit the same company from owning both a newspaper and a TV station in the same geographic area, and laws that limit the percent of the national audience that a single cable company can reach. .... Besides the wholly predictable result of a single company controlling a town's TV stations, radio stations, cable company and only newspaper, critics warn that elimination of this rule will essentially signal the absorption of the newspaper business into the television industry, with a negative impact on the quality of print journalism. .... ACTION: Please let the FCC know that lifting the cross-ownership ban to allow further media consolidation will not serve the public interest. Because the FCC has time-consuming requirements for email comments which require that people format their message in a certain way, FAIR created a form to simplify the process. You can submit comments to the FCC about cross-ownership at: http://www.fair.org/mailform.php --Parental Advisory! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:48:04 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: nytimes article-Dymaxion House MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/08/garden/08DYMA.html?ex=1006331774&ei=1&en=45cd90fcd6a77bf2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:18:14 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Millers Subject: Re: nytimes article-Dymaxion House In-Reply-To: <20011110164804.86410.qmail@web20507.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thank you for forwarding that. And please thank J. for the advice on memory amd Mac computers- I added some and it works better. > From: Dick Fischbeck > Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's > works" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:48:04 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: nytimes article-Dymaxion House > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/08/garden/08DYMA.html?ex=1006331774&ei=1&en=45c > d90fcd6a77bf2 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:32:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: nytimes article-Dymaxion House <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings -- testin 11-NOV-2001 8:32 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us great; I'd clipped that article, then accidentally tossed the parts that I'd clipped & kept the ghabahj. the following is interesting, in some contrast with the way it's written-up in _Critical Path_ e.g.: them the finest "of any place I've ever sung." In six months, 37,000 people wrote to ask about buying a Dymaxion. "We felt we were making history," said Mr. Wolf, now 89. "We had no doubts about Bucky." Fortune magazine was crazy for the dome, proclaiming in April 1946 that "Fuller's house has a better than even chance of upsetting the building industry," partly because Dymaxions would be made "the way everything else is made, in factories." And yet as Fortune trumpeted the revolution, Fuller Houses was falling apart. To get production up and running, company engineers recommended changing Fuller's design, doing away with moving parts like the rotating shelves, for example, and substituting fiberglass for the aluminum panels. Fuller, determined to preserve the integrity of his ideas, quit the project the very month the Fortune article appeared. As it had noted, "he never expected that his inventions would be instant commercial successes, and his lack of interest in money is monumental." Beech and some investors were still eager to move forward, but Mr. Wolf was unable to raise the $10 million needed for full-scale production, and the venture fell apart. Americans developed a taste for tract houses, and Fuller, unfazed, moved on to develop a wildly popular lightweight shelter called the geodesic dome. More than 300,000 were constructed around the world before he died in 1983. in other words, a more-generaliized approach succeded; eh? --Prenatal Advisory! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:50:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Media Concentration <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings -- testin 11-NOV-2001 8:50 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us this is dysgusting. Homestead seems to br full o'gremlins, to take from the Potterville beatiary. the button that I'd put at thte top of my index, was covered-over by the element that I'd put it on top of -- although it still looks alright in the screenpainter app! I haven't checked, because that app. just crashed in MS2K, whether GIFs are still out of whack, nor do I know if this is Homested.com-wide, or if it's just me, or what ever (Mac problems, CyberPatrol problems etc.) anyway, the literature from the Hogwarts School is openly elitist, contemptuous of us Muggles, and promotes the theft of library books: "Just don't get CAUGHT stealing anything," said Daddy Wizard to you, the new student on campus. I assume that this is a generic suggestion toward plagiarism, ultimately. thus quoth: From: FAIR-L@FAIR.ORG (FAIR-L) FAIR-L Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting Media analysis, critiques and news reports ACTION ALERT: FCC Moves to Lift Cross-Ownership Ban October 26, 2001 Just two days after the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the FCC began to eliminate the last remaining shreds of regulation on media concentration. With all eyes elsewhere, the FCC voted unanimously to "review" laws that prohibit the same company from owning both a newspaper and a TV station in the same geographic area, and laws that limit the percent of the national audience that a single cable company can reach. .... Besides the wholly predictable result of a single company controlling a town's TV stations, radio stations, cable company and only newspaper, critics warn that elimination of this rule will essentially signal the absorption of the newspaper business into the television industry, with a negative impact on the quality of print journalism. .... ACTION: Please let the FCC know that lifting the cross-ownership ban to allow further media consolidation will not serve the public interest. Because the FCC has time-consuming requirements for email comments which require that people format their message in a certain way, FAIR created a form to simplify the process. You can submit comments to the FCC about cross-ownership at: http://www.fair.org/mailform.php --Parental Advisory! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:22:04 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Matteo Ricci, the Grand Design, and <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings -- testin 11-NOV-2001 9:22 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Recorded Chinese history preceded the generally accepted date for The Flood. The question was posed for Europeans: How could an advanced civilization, outside of the Biblical history of God's interaction with man, be explained? To Leibniz and to Ricci, China's history and culture stood as a monument to the truth of One God: that the mind reflects the perfect creation, and thus must lead through reason to the concept of the Creator. Leibniz recognized that China, by far the most populous nation on Earth, and enjoying a highly ordered civil structure, must have achieved that population and that order through some identifiable means. He even suggested that "Chinese missionaries should be sent to teach in the aim and practice of natural theology, as we send missionaries to instruct them in revealed theology." Confucianism Is Consistent With Christianity http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2843m_ricci.html --Prenatal Advisory! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:22:56 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Millers Subject: Re: nytimes article-Dymaxion House In-Reply-To: <200111111632.fABGW9j24644@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > in other words, > a more-generaliized approach succeded; eh? > > --Prenatal Advisory! The Dymaxion fell victim to vested interests in conventional construction - builders and labor unions. Geodesic domes were made by anarchists, out of the control of those elements (and twenty years later). > Fortune magazine was crazy for the dome, proclaiming in April 1946 that > "Fuller's house has a better than even chance of upsetting the building > industry," partly because Dymaxions would be made "the way everything else > is made, in factories." And yet as Fortune trumpeted the revolution, Fuller > Houses was falling apart. To get production up and running, company > engineers recommended changing Fuller's design, doing away with moving > parts like the rotating shelves, for example, and substituting fiberglass > for the aluminum panels. Fuller, determined to preserve the integrity of > his ideas, quit the project the very month the Fortune article appeared. As > it had noted, "he never expected that his inventions would be instant > commercial successes, and his lack of interest in money is monumental." > > Beech and some investors were still eager to move forward, but Mr. Wolf > was unable to raise the $10 million needed for full-scale production, and > the venture fell apart. Americans developed a taste for tract houses, and > Fuller, unfazed, moved on to develop a wildly popular lightweight shelter > called the geodesic dome. More than 300,000 were constructed around the > world before he died in 1983. > > > > in other words, > a more-generaliized approach succeded; eh? > > --Prenatal Advisory! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 06:22:11 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re [Quaker-P] Freedom and Terror <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings -- testin 13-NOV-2001 6:22 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us wow: See also: hitler's anti-terrorism legislation http://indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=86708&group=webcast Today's anti-terrorism legislation is basically a duplication of the anti-terrorism legislation enacted by Hitler in the 30s... Incidentally it was a shock to me to hear on Saturday Representative Weldon saying that Osama Bin Laden was a worse tyrant than Hitler. http://www.tompaine.com/features/2001/11/06/1.html but I'm not really a fan of "tompaine.com," from their libertariac ads in the NYTimes. considering the first 3 terms of Sir George's influence, as represetned in the first unauthorized bio., the phrase "continuity of government" has become rather ominous. --Prenatal Advisory! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 06:32:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Is this a religious war? If so, does it make any d <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings -- testin 13-NOV-2001 6:32 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us after previewing the Hogwarts School for UCLA, and the attendant (projected in a curtain) spook, I have to note that the British hobgoblins of anthropology & freemasonry --like the "sorceror-cum-philosopher's stone" of the Potter title, there is only a matter of degree between the designations, apparently-- are far-more acquainted with the jihad/crusading aspects of all of this, and thus are in the forefront: "Hey, Georgian; let's you and Usama, fight!" thus quoth: Osama bin Laden in his speech released November 3, 2001: "This is a matter of religion and creed; it is not what Bush and Blair maintain, that it is a war against terrorism. There is no way to forget the hostility between us and the infidels. It is ideological, so Muslims have to ally themselves with Muslims." >From a tape broadcast by Al Jazeera, the Arab satellite channel based in Qatar, quoted in The New York Times, Nov. 4, p B2. I ask, does it make any difference with respect to the peace testimony? Is --Prenatal Advisory! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 07:30:05 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: nytimes article-Dymaxion House <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings -- testin 13-NOV-2001 7:30 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us that's what I thought that I read in _CP_, about those awful unions! thus quoth: The Dymaxion fell victim to vested interests in conventional construction - builders and labor unions. Geodesic domes were made by anarchists, out of the control of those elements (and twenty years later). "anarchists," one and all -- one for one and ... me for me! --Prenatal Advisory! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 06:34:21 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] some good news <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 14-NOV-2001 6:34 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Honorable President Putin; I found an article in the middle of the front section of "USA Today" (Friday, Nov.1, I think)-- with Harry Potter, the icon of the British "Public" Schools, on the front *page* -- whose title included the neologism of "Londonstan," noting that Parliament had only passed any law against the "islamic" terrorist organizing in February of this year. (What ever that was, and whether it has had any effect, *USA Today* did not say.) 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630691171 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:46:14 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Northern Arizona University Skydome Comments: To: dennis.lee@magicaldesk.com Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis, Thanks for the Skydome links. I'll add them to my index. ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:29 AM Subject: Fwd: Northern Arizona University Skydome > Sorry I didn't get this in the first e-mail, but there are a couple more links about this building, if you're interested. The first one is the building's actual home page, but the second has more pictures. > > http://www.nau.edu/skydome/ > http://www.nauathletics.com/facil.cfm > > Keep up the good work on your site! > > Cheers, > Dennis > > ************************************************************ > dennis.lee wrote on 11/6/2001 > ************************************************************ > Here's a link that you can add to your Flagstaff, AZ arena entry. (It's currently listed in the Domes-W page, under Wood; you might also add it to the Sports section in Domes-S.) > > http://www.columbia.edu/cu/gsapp/BT/DOMES/TIMELN/nau/nau.html > > Cheers, > Dennis ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:56:31 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Buckminster Fuller Comments: To: Mark Patsfall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, Thanks for the tip. I dug a little deeper for the specific section on = Fuller: http://solwaygallery.com/Pages/fullerartworks.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Patsfall=20 To: joemoore@cruzio.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 7:44 AM Subject: Buckminster Fuller Joe, Check out the Bucky Fuller links on the following site, = http://solwaygallery.com/, I think you will find them interesting. Thanks, Mark Patsfall Mark Patsfall Graphics, Inc. 1312 Clay St. Cincinnati, OH 45210 PH 513-241-3232 E-Mail mpginc@iac.net=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:33:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Is this a religious war? If so, does it make any <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-NOV-2001 6:33 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us hey; this looks like a tussle between ex-lovers! thus quoth: > him/her. At that time s/he acknowledged that s/he had > never been to a worship service and had one contact with > the American Friends Service Committee. Nonsense. > Subsequently s/he has denied communicating with me off list. Naturally. --Prenatal Advisory! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:06:57 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Is this a religious war? If so, does it make any <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-NOV-2001 7:06 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us The City of Santa Monica's City Attorney, in consultation with Council to acede to the decision that was made in their public hearing of Tuesday, Nov. 13, 2001, hereby grant the interdiction notices of a) Italy, b) France, c) Talibania, or successor Afghani governments, and d) any other national, providential, county or municipal governments who have grievances and official indictments against Sir Henry of Kiss. Ass. -- just make sure that we get'im back (moo-ha-ha). thus quoth: Several courts outside the United States have issued orders to Henry Kissinger, former US Secretary of State, telling him to present himself for questioning regarding crimes he may have organized (along with his boss, Richard Nixon). There is substantial _published_ evidence behind the allegations, much of it in official US documents recently declassified. But, following the rather interesting argument suggested above, we must ask: do the officials of these foreign courts and governments honestly believe that the US government will ever turn over Henry Kissinger? And if not, then would these foreigners be justified in declaring a (nonsensical) "different type of non-traditional war" against the protectors of Henry Kissinger? What cities should _they_ be carpet-bombing in pursuit of their aims? Enquiring minds want to know. --UCLA Hogwarts Spooks School is IN SESSION. http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:11:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Northern Arizona University Skydome <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-NOV-2001 7:11 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us hey, Joe; do you have a photo of the Spruce Goosatorium? --UCLA Hogwarts Spooks School is IN SESSION. > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:05:20 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Inflatable Tumbleweed Rover Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NASA's Tumbleweed Inflatable Rover (a giant geodesic dome soccer ball). http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/adv_tech/rovers/tmblweed.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:47:47 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: New GENI CD Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Global Energy Network Institute has just released a new CD entitled = "There is no Energy Crisis". It is excellent! It features a 7-minute = film plus extensive material on electricity, renewable energy, power = grids, Bucky Fuller, population, and development. Request a copy = through their website: http://www.geni.org/energy/index2.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:59:14 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Octahedral domes Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-O.htm (scroll down to "Octahedra-Based") ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: re: Octahedral domes > From: biblebird@att.net > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:53:08 +0000 > > Not yet, but I have a high interest in one design I have > for an eight sided, all equal triangles, dome. > > ---snip--- > > > > Anybody out there working on octahedral domes? > > > > jmr ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:23:31 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: where to find materials for a large portabel dome tent Comments: To: LiOr@passion.edu Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LiOr, I don't know very much about materials for dome tents; however, I'm sending a copy of this reply to several groups that may be able to help you. Have you checked out my "Tents" page? http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-Tents.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "LiOr Jacob" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: where to find materials for a large portabel dome tent > Joe, > > Your site is very interesting - I'm a fan of Bucky myself > for many years. I'd like to build large portable geodesic > dome tents. Do you know where I can find materials for > that? I'm thinking of something from PVC tubing like what > Shelter Systems (shelter-systems.com) are doing, but a > little different. If you care I'll share with you more > specifics > > With Passion, > > LiOr > lior@passion.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 02:12:14 -0500 Reply-To: sales@sleuthplanet.com Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jenn at SleuthPlanet Subject: 80 000 New Clients Included - New Contact Prospecting Software Comments: To: GEODESIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear GEODESIC, I was prospecting on the Internet, I noticed your name and thought I would take a chance in contacting you. SleuthPlanet is finally releasing its combined cutting edge Marketing Software a nd Business Directory complete with 80 000 contact records at a half-price intro ductory offer. Fully Exportable Companies and Contacts, Fax Numbers, Email Addresses, Phone Num bers, and 50 other categories are included in our Industry-leading Sleuth Market ing System. 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Warmest Regards, Jennifer Young Sleuth Marketing Systems (416) 686-1444 sales@sleuthplanet.com www.sleuthplanet.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:34:43 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Don Luger Subject: remove Comments: To: sales@SLEUTHPLANET.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 -----Original Message----- From: Jenn at SleuthPlanet Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 02:12:14 -0500 To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: 80 000 New Clients Included - New Contact Prospecting Software > Dear GEODESIC, > > I was prospecting on the Internet, I noticed your name and thought I would take > a chance in contacting you. > > SleuthPlanet is finally releasing its combined cutting edge Marketing Software a > nd Business Directory complete with 80 000 contact records at a half-price intro > ductory offer. > > Fully Exportable Companies and Contacts, Fax Numbers, Email Addresses, Phone Num > bers, and 50 other categories are included in our Industry-leading Sleuth Market > ing System. > > Reply (email or call) and request our FREE DEMO to reserve our special half-pric > e offer good for this week only. > > If you wish to be removed from future emailing, please respond with the word "re > move" typed into the subject field or body and we promise to discontinue any and > all communications. > > Thank you for your time. > > Warmest Regards, > > Jennifer Young > Sleuth Marketing Systems > (416) 686-1444 > sales@sleuthplanet.com > www.sleuthplanet.com > > -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:37:39 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: where to find materials for a large portabel dome tent Comments: To: LiOr@passion.edu Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LiOr, For some ideas on connectors see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-C.htm (scroll down to "Connectors"). Keep in mind that plastic will eventually deteriorate in the sun. For ideas on skins see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeLargetTents.htm Think of the skin as a dome within a dome--the internal dome of a lesser diameter than the outer one. In the example, the inner dome skin is pulled out toward the external dome framework, thereby preventing any flutter in the wind. You will probably have to design & build your own skin. I have never heard of anyone who would cut & sew a custom skin for a customer. Try making a small model of the dome you have in mind. You would be surprised at how much you can learn from just making models. ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "LiOr Jacob" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 11:27 PM Subject: Re: where to find materials for a large portabel dome tent > Joe, > > Thanks for your reply. The most important parts that I need > are the connectors that connect the frame's edges together. > I'm thinking of building the frame from rigid plastic (PVC) > pipes. But how will these pipes be connected together at > the vertices? hardware stores that sell PVC pipes also have > connectors, but as far as I've found so far there are only > commercially available connectors that are shaped like "I" > to connect 2 pipes, "T" to connect 3 pipes, and "X" to > connect 4 pipes. I know people who built rectangular frames > with these materials. However, for geodesic domes, we need > connector that connect 5 or 6 pipes in each vertix. Do you > know of anyone who might make them? > > of course, these plastic connectors are not the only > solution. I've searched and found that some people are > using flexible rubber pipe as connectors (e.g., attaching > three small pieces in their middle creates a connector for > 6 edges), but they don't seem adequately strong or visually > appealing. > > While connectors are the main issue, the skin is another > one. I checked your "tent" page, and while the explanation > to attach a skin from the inside onto the tent is simple, > where do i find skin that exactely fit a geodesic dome > frame? Again, for rectangular stractures it's easy to > modify existing rectangular pieces of cloth, but creating a > geodesically shaped or at least round skin is quite > challenging, including making the exact calculations for > all the pieces, cutting and sawing them together in a > precise way that would fit the frame - while not comlex, it > definitely requires a lot of time to do it for a 30' dome. > > anyway, now that I've explained myself, if you have any > ideas where I can find resources for the above I would > really appreciate it. > > With Passion, > > LiOr ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:45:18 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Please help... Comments: To: "W. Howard Adams" Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Mr Adams, To the best of my knowledge, only 10 Bucky books are currently available = online; see the Buckminster Fuller Institute's web site = (http://209.196.135.250/ ). Scroll down to "World Design Science Decade = Documents" (4 out of 7) and further down to "Books Online" (6). Quite a few books by and about Fuller are available through the used = books web sites; see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/1Biblio.htm = (scroll down to bottom). Also, the Ebay auction site = (http://pages.ebay.com/search/items/search.html ) has quite a few = Bucky-related items. Search for "Buckminster", "geodesic", "dymaxion", = etc. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W. Howard Adams=20 To: joemoore27@home.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: Please help... Hi Joe, I have recently found the DomeHome List to my great satisfaction. I am an engineer and I love math...While going to college at the = University of Colorado in the 70s, I developed an affinity for domes. = It is alive once again!!!!!!! As I looked over your site, I am wondering if you can supply entire = books (perhaps downloadable???) that you show in part on your site? = Where else could I download such information--like the original = DomeBook? (I used to own that back then!!!!) I want to be able to learn dome types AND do the math once again. Please reply. Thank you! Best regards, W. Howard Adams ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:58:34 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Fw: Starting this group all over again... Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "John H. Immink" Newsgroups: alt.bucky-fuller Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Starting this group all over again... > Great! I have a basic chord calculator program for simple geodesics. If > anyone is interested, email me and I will send the smallish program upon my > return from Atlanta. > -- > John H. Immink > ecologicals1@home.com > http://www.ecologicalsgardens.com > Outgoing email scanned by Norton 2002 > (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:03:27 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? Patrick, See http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeTenseg.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= "microfarad" wrote in message news:patricki-48D054.10132006112001@mochi.lava.net... > > So, my question: > > What is tensegrity and how does it apply to everyday life? > -- > Patrick Ira Donegan > microFarad productions > > http://www.lava.net/~patricki ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:07:22 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Sky domes... Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" Randy, Yes! See http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCloud.htm The structures would have to be tensegrities; see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeTenseg.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= "Randy Cox" wrote in message news:tvb2h7n1ul4oaa@corp.supernews.com... > It is possible to build one of Bucky's floating sky domes now....I have an > anlaysis.... > > 800 meter diameter...the air weight difference of about 20 degrees outweighs > the dome... > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:11:15 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: New to group Alexander, You would probably enjoy poking through my web site: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/index.html ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= "Alexander Browne" wrote in message news:ab-3D2A17.23113616112001@news.black-hole.com... > Hello, > > When searching my list of newsgroups I happened upon this one, due to it > matching my search criteria accidentally. It seems that I found it at > the right time, i.e. after all the random posts have died down. > > I have been interested in Fuller since reading the book _Your Private > Sky_ this past spring (I'm 16, so I have some excuse to only have learnt > about him recently). I like many (if not all) of Fullers ideas, my > favorite probably being the Fuller Projection Dymaxion Map, a copy of > which I have framed over my bed (ordered from the BFI). I support > environmental conservation and helping the world's impoverished people, > and both of these problems can be helped using Fuller's ideas. It is > also intriguing how Fuller had the idea for distributed systems, which > has since been used in the Internet to great effect. > > I saw the post considering free geodesic domes -- I am interested, as > long as it can be shipped at a decently low rate, since I have no way to > pick it up otherwise. Also, plans for making flooring / covering, or > offering these items for purchase would be a plus. > > AB > -- > Alexander Browne | ab@apple2.com > Saint Paul, Minn., U.S. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:53:18 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? Comments: To: patricki@lava.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > So, my question: > > > > What is tensegrity and how does it apply to everyday life? Hi, Patrick, welcome to the geodesic list. Tensegrity is a building principle...a little hard to imagine at first. I'm going to attempt to talk you through it. Tell me if it "clicks." OK, the traditional way things are built is as follows. A rigid foundation is placed on the ground, and to it is rigidly attached rigid 2x4 studs...more studs are stacked on top of them, so that everything is being compressed down, and all the forces go straight into the ground. Still with me? Think about it this way...all the compression members are touching, and are rigidly attached to one another. OK...tensegrity is a completely opposite way of building structures (notice I said structures, and not just buildings) which uses limp, but very strong materials, like wire and string. Example -- take one of those 2x4s and stand it up on end. Unless you're really lucky, it'll just fall over. Now, take some wires, attach them to the top of the 2x4, and to the floor. Those wires will hold up the 2x4 -- but none of the connections are rigid, they're all "floppy." They get their strength from the tension you used to secure the wires to the floor. Now, take this another step. You have a pole, and you attach some wires to both ends, stretching them from end to end. Not much of a structure, right? Well, it gets better. Now take a big "ring," like a hula hoop, and put it around the pole -- stretch the wires out to it, and attach them. You now have a structure with a bunch of "flexible" but really tight (tension) wires and 2 rigid (compression) members. Notice, the ring isn't touching the pole -- the web of wires holds them apart. In fact, on closer examination, the ring seems stronger, more rigid -- so does the pole! All the other forces have been transferred to the wires -- they are both acting *only* in compression. An interesting structure, but hardly useful, right? Well, in a slightly different form, this is how a bicycle wheel is built. The spokes are the wires, the hula hoop is the wheel rim, and the axle (actually a hollow hub with bearings in it) is the pole. Bicycle wheels are probably the most common tensegrity structure I know of. Take this out a few more levels in complexity, and you can build auditoriums with this type of technique. Tensegrity is a principle, in which the rigid (compression) members are held in place with flexible (tension) members, and in which the compression members do not have to touch. The tension net is continuous...the compressive forces are isolated "islands" within the net. Since wires (or lately, synthetic fibers) are incredibly strong despite being extremely thin, the tension net is a very lightweight and if it's designed right, nearly invisible structure. The compressive members, since they are *only* in compression, can be made of something extremely strong but light as well, example, I can stand on top of a block of styrofoam (compression) but I can tear it apart in my hands (shear). A bicycle rim can be "twisted" into a pretzel shape with little effort, but is supremely rigid when built into a wheel. This is where tensegrity's benefits really come in...imagine the engineering needed for a cement roof, even a dome, that was executed in concrete. Let's say it's a dome a mile in diameter. How thick would that concrete roof need to be? Let's make it even worse -- a flat concrete roof a mile across. Is it even possible? Now, think of a tensile roof made of fabric, like a giant geodesic camping tent, braced with a few judiciously placed compression members. The whole thing would be lighter, and consequently cheaper. This is how they built the Milennial Dome in London. Hopefully this is somewhat clear. -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:21:10 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >From: Charles J Knight > Now, think of a tensile roof made of fabric, like a giant geodesic > camping tent, braced with a few judiciously placed compression > members. The whole thing would be lighter, and consequently > cheaper. This is how they built the Milennial Dome in London. Chuck, Thanks for your guide to tensegrity. Just that last bit raised an eyebrow: I was never convinced that the Millennium Dome had any of the efficiency (or beauty) of geodesic domes, let alone tensegrity structures. http://www.nous.org.uk/Millennium.html I'm glad to see that it might be deleted soon: New town urged for Millennium Dome site: Government advisers say London's biggest brownfield site could help end housing crisis - The Guardian (UK) http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4299487,00.html Paul Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:22:24 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: Third biome planned for Eden Project Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The Eden Project is bringing forward plans to create a desert climate section in a new third =A320 million biome to help deal with huge visitor numbers. http://www.ajplus.co.uk/news/news_article?ChannelID=3D4&pid=3D2&aid=3D19905&sid=3D4= 9 &newscomingfrom=3DArchitecture http://www.edenproject.com/ Paul Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:15:25 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Now, think of a tensile roof made of fabric, like a giant > geodesic > > camping tent, braced with a few judiciously placed compression > > members. The whole thing would be lighter, and consequently > > cheaper. This is how they built the Milennial Dome in London. > > Thanks for your guide to tensegrity. Just that last bit raised an > eyebrow: I > was never convinced that the Millennium Dome had any of the > efficiency (or > beauty) of geodesic domes, let alone tensegrity structures. True enough, and in fact it isn't a true tensegrity. There's one more requirement I didn't mention, for the sake of simplicity and clarity. Tensegritites, like bicycle wheels, are self-contained -- they don't require the ground to act as one of their compression members. Tensegrities are "weird" things, hard to wrap your mind around. I tried to keep it simple. My "primer" is hardly comprehensive. -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:25:59 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 19-NOV-2001 3:25 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us yeah (?), but what does the "Millenium Dome" *look* a-like? why don't you ask Dame Jo "K." o'Potterville? thus quoth: Greenwich's Millennium Dome design seems sadly retrogressive: a step backwards from the still under-appreciated innovations of Buckminster Fuller. Each of its 12 preposterous masts weighs about 50 tonnes, which is probably more than the weight of a self-supporting geodesic dome of similar size. This is called doing less with more. thus quoth: > Now, think of a tensile roof made of fabric, like a giant geodesic > camping tent, braced with a few judiciously placed compression > members. The whole thing would be lighter, and consequently > cheaper. This is how they built the Milennial Dome in London. Chuck, Thanks for your guide to tensegrity. Just that last bit raised an eyebrow: I was never convinced that the Millennium Dome had any of the efficiency (or beauty) of geodesic domes, let alone tensegrity structures. http://www.nous.org.uk/Millennium.html I'm glad to see that it might be deleted soon: New town urged for Millennium Dome site: Government advisers say London's biggest brownfield site could help end housing crisis - The Guardian (UK) http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4299487,00.html --Prenatal Advisory! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 04:00:03 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Inflatable Tumbleweed Rover <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 19-NOV-2001 4:00 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us wow, like, totally cool! thus quoth: Tests using this type of ball as an impacter sphere were successfully conducted in the 1960s at JPL (Ross, 1966). Impact speeds of as high as 60 m/sec were tested with payload fractions of as high as 75%. By comparison, the nominal tumbleweed ball configured for Mars would have an impact speed of about 30 m/sec with a payload fraction of about 50%. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/adv_tech/rovers/tmblweed.htm --Prenatal Advisory! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 04:01:59 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: New GENI CD <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 19-NOV-2001 4:01 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us ah, did they get any funding from Enron et al ad vomitorium? thus quoth: "There is no Energy Crisis". It is excellent! It features a 7-minute = film plus extensive material on electricity, renewable energy, power = grids, Bucky Fuller, population, and development. Request a copy = through their website: http://www.geni.org/energy/index2.html --Prenatal Advisory! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 04:08:40 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Muslims: in their own words <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 19-NOV-2001 4:08 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us the simplest questions are the hardest to ask -- or to be heard. but, why do you equate industrialization *per capita* with the globalisation or "free trade" or the Br.E.India Co. and her propogandists, such as Adam Smith, the Mont Pelerin Society, and the "international banking community?" thus quoth: It is correct that the Reformation, in freeing Christianity from the control of a church that was bent on defending a traditional way of life, was necessary for "progress" (which we almost always define in capitalistic terms) in the west. But is the only model for Islamic society the capitalistic and industrial west? And who determines that this model is the one that should be emulated? I know that Friedman is a staunch proponent of globalization and that he --UCLA Hogwarts Spooks School is IN SESSION. > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:42:38 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: info@GENI.ORG Subject: Re: New GENI CD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit TO: Geodesic listserve The Global Energy Network Institute (GENI) is a non-profit research and education initiative focussed in the interconnection of electric power networks between nations and continents, with an emphasis on tapping local and remote renewable energy resources. As many of you know from "Critical Path", this strategy is the highest priority objective of the World Game simulation. This world-wide-web of electricity using renewable energy was first proposed 30 years ago by Bucky, and has more relevance and urgency today. Our funding comes from three primary sources: 1. Individual donors via our pledge program -- some people contribute one time, and some contribute every month. (We especially appreciate these regular donors.) 2. Product sales: several of the Dymaxion products, Fuller books and GENI materials are avaiable on our web site: http://www.geni.org 3. Foundation and Corporate grants. These have remained few and far between. They usually support specific projects or requests. We are looking for more corporate partners. Regarding your question: we have never received funding from Enron, although we have asked in the past. While there leadership has fallen, and soon to be purchased by another -- one positive move by them was to become the largest manufacturere of wind turbines in the U.S. by a purchase of Zond/Kennetech in California. If you would like more information on GENI, we have just produced the new CD ROM entitled "There is no Energy Crisis" in concert with our 4th Quarter newsletter. Together they make a strong case for accelerating renewable energy investment and development around the world -- and then linking those resources into the expanding energy grids on every continent. We invite your partnership in this work. Request the CD, share it with your business colleagues, send a copy to a government official, create a link to our web site, become a monthly donor, write an op-ed or an article for your local newspaper, buy you electricity from a green service provider, invite a group of friends to watch the GENI video, and so on. It all makes a difference. In partnership for the planet, Peter Meisen President www.geni.org Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 19-NOV-2001 4:01 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > ah, did they get any funding from Enron et al ad vomitorium? > > thus quoth: > "There is no Energy Crisis". It is excellent! It features a 7-minute = > film plus extensive material on electricity, renewable energy, power = > grids, Bucky Fuller, population, and development. Request a copy = > through their website: http://www.geni.org/energy/index2.html > > --Prenatal Advisory! > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:26:32 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Foerd Ames Subject: New GENI CD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would appreciate receiving the CD ROM entitled "There is no Energy Crisis". Thank you very much, Foerd Ames Ocean Wave Energy Company 20 Burnside Street Bristol, RI 02809 USA email: foerd@owec.com web site: www.owec.com voice and fax: 401-253-4488 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:53:54 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: New GENI CD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Mr Ames, You must contact GENI directly; see http://www.geni.org/energy/index2.html ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foerd Ames" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: New GENI CD > I would appreciate receiving the CD ROM entitled "There is no Energy > Crisis". > > Thank you very much, > > Foerd Ames > > Ocean Wave Energy Company > 20 Burnside Street > Bristol, RI 02809 USA > > email: foerd@owec.com > web site: www.owec.com > voice and fax: 401-253-4488 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:57:12 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Millers Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome In-Reply-To: <200111191125.fAJBPxk04069@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Even in a dome as large as the big M there is not room for both Bucky's and an architect's ego. Architects will go to any length to avoid making a geodesic dome, because it is like writing Buckminster Fuller all over it. The Christian Science Monitor did an article on the Mil Dome, describing it as having no interior columns (caption); just an assumption these days of any dome... twelve interior columns. Probably handy for hanging coats on. > thus quoth: > Greenwich's Millennium Dome design seems sadly retrogressive: a step > backwards from the still under-appreciated innovations of Buckminster > Fuller. Each of its 12 preposterous masts weighs about 50 tonnes, which is > probably more than the weight of a self-supporting geodesic dome of similar > size. This is called doing less with more. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:32:49 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: New GENI CD <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 19-NOV-2001 11:32 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us ah, thank you! so, how much is the CD -- P&H? thus quoth: Regarding your question: we have never received funding from Enron, although we have asked in the past. While there leadership has fallen, and soon to be purchased by another -- one positive move by them was to become the largest manufacturere of wind turbines in the U.S. by a purchase of Zond/Kennetech in California. Peter Meisen President www.geni.org --Prenatal Advisory http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:31:42 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: edu_software2012@EXCITE.COM Subject: Education Software Discounts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Microsoft Windows XP at 68% OFF, Office XP Standard at 70% OFF, Adobe Photoshop at 54% OFF, Adobe Web Collection at 71% OFF Dear Students, Teachers, Faculty, Staff and Schools: COMPUTER PRODUCTS FOR EDUCATION is pleased to offer to you the best prices on AC ADEMIC EDITION SOFTWARE from MICROSOFT, ADOBE, MACROMEDIA and others - AT UP TO 84% OFF RETAIL PRICES. 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A bigger crisis of war and defence preoccupies everyone and, deprived of the momentum of street demos, the movement will disintegrate. To twist the knife in further, John Lloyd's hostile critique of the movement, The Protest Ethic, is published today; it will be seized upon by the movement's critics as its obituary. --Prenatal Advisory >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:53:07 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The Millers wrote: > Even in a dome as large as the big M there is not room for both Bucky's > and an architect's ego. Architects will go to any length to avoid making a > geodesic dome, because it is like writing Buckminster Fuller all over it. That does indeed seem to be the issue. > The Christian Science Monitor did an article on the Mil Dome, describing > it as having no interior columns (caption); just an assumption these days of > any dome... twelve interior columns. Not much point relying on The Christian Science Monitor for architectural insights, then. > Probably handy for hanging coats on. Or self-serving political schemes? 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DEL > ETE WITH ONE SIMPLE KEYSTROKE! > ___________________ > > THANK YOU! > > -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:10:03 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: info@GENI.ORG Subject: Cost of New GENI CD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you for asking. The requested donation is $5 which includes shipping. Our desire is to make them widely available -- around the world. Any distribution assistance is most welcome. Peter Meisen GENI Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 19-NOV-2001 11:32 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > ah, thank you! > so, how much is the CD -- P&H? > > thus quoth: > Regarding your question: we have never received funding from Enron, > although > we have asked in the past. While there leadership has fallen, and soon > to be > purchased by another -- one positive move by them was to become the > largest > manufacturere of wind turbines in the U.S. by a purchase of > Zond/Kennetech in > California. > > Peter Meisen > President > www.geni.org > > --Prenatal Advisory > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 05:22:45 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: New GENI CD <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 20-NOV-2001 5:22 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Thank you for asking. The requested donation is $5 which includes shipping. Our desire is to make them widely available -- around the world. Any distribution assistance is most welcome. Peter Meisen GENI Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian ?Quincy! Hutchings 19-NOV-2001 11:32 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > ah, thank you! > so, how much is the CD -- P&H? > > thus quoth: > Regarding your question: we have never received funding from Enron, > although > we have asked in the past. While there leadership has fallen, and soon > to be > purchased by another -- one positive move by them was to become the > largest > manufacturere of wind turbines in the U.S. by a purchase of > Zond/Kennetech in > California. > > Peter Meisen > President > www.geni.org > > --Prenatal Advisory > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 05:32:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] World Trade Conference <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 20-NOV-2001 5:32 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us ah, how reminiscent of Gr.Britain's rabid support of "free trade" in slave-cotton, for the use in their own (high-tech) textile plants; eh? thus quoth: implementation issues connected with the previous trade round--the so-called Uruguay Round-- which received only perfunctory mention. Developing countries did win an important concession giving public health precedence over patents, which the pharmecutical industry had strongly resisted, but as a number of observers have pointed out, the declaration leaves unchanged the language of the Agreement on Trade-Related Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPs), which could serve as the basis for future legal challenges to their efforts to override pharmaceutical patents. The European Union successfully watered down developing country demands for getting rid of agricultural export subsidies and the United States refused to accede to developing country demands that it accelerate the phaseout of its TEXTILE QUOTAS. [capitalization ADDED] --Prenatal Advisory >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 05:38:20 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 20-NOV-2001 5:38 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us it is quite absurd to chastize the use of 12 columns, inside or out -- unless you're referring to the "royal" theme of their array "for the GNU Millenium!" thus quoth: > The Christian Science Monitor did an article on the Mil Dome, describing > it as having no interior columns (caption); just an assumption these days of > any dome... twelve interior columns. Not much point relying on The Christian Science Monitor for architectural insights, then. > Probably handy for hanging coats on. Or self-serving political schemes? --Prenatal Advisory > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:37:09 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Global Grids Comments: To: Foerd Ames MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Foerd, In case you don't already know, see the similar work the Terra Cognita people are doing: http://bufo.geo.orst.edu/tc/firma/gg/ ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foerd Ames" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: Re: New GENI CD > > See http://kiwi.atmos.colostate.edu/BUGS/groupPIX/ross/ross1/ross1.html > > Yes, that's where I saw the image. I'm now directly contacting them. Thank > you for getting back to me. > > Foerd > > Ocean Wave Energy Company > 20 Burnside Street > Bristol, RI 02809 USA > > email: foerd@owec.com > web site: www.owec.com > voice and fax: 401-253-4488 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:39:27 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > <> Brian =BFQuincy! Hutchings 20-NOV-2001 5:38 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > it is quite absurd to chastize the use of 12 columns, > inside or out -- unless you're referring > to the "royal" theme of their array "for the GNU Millenium!" Is it? Hint: where are we? Geodesic discussion list, as in 'geodesic dome'. How many columns prop up a geodesic dome? Do you have the faintest idea what "relevance" means? Paul Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 06:18:41 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-NOV-2001 6:18 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us you have to say, Why it is that "masts" are unacceptable alternatives for constructing such a thing; dig? thus quoth: > it is quite absurd to chastize the use of 12 columns, > inside or out -- unless you're referring > to the "royal" theme of their array "for the GNU Millenium!" Is it? Hint: where are we? Geodesic discussion list, as in 'geodesic dome'. How many columns prop up a geodesic dome? well, as many as there are end-struts at the perimeter of the "n-freq geodesic/tensegritous dome" thingy! --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/politique.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:30:41 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: City shutdown o'PEN? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-NOV-2001 9:30 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us test (it appears that the City has shut my account down, as far as sending mail to my two (2) lists, goes; this afternoon's messages have yet to arrive). [there's no justifiication for such a policy, even "o'er the long weekend," because I'm one of the few, if not the only one, who's left that is using "PEN!"] --Prenatal Advisory! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:06:02 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] FCNL: Legislative Action Message (11/19/01) <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-NOV-2001 10:06 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I must repeat myself, over PEN's apparent loss of my mail. it is just wrong, that Gore was chosen "by the people," although the front page of my paper, the LATimes, definitively put in a table the results for "counties counting by their own standards" going to Al, Jr. by a narrow margin; that is, I think, by the intent of the voters, the standard that is used in Texas and Florida! this is all an academic furor that completely belies the fact, never challenged & easily confirmed, of the results in both the Arkansas and Michigan Dem Primaries, the former of which was an absolute key to Al, Jr.'s loss in the general election in Arkansas, for three (3) EC votes -- which Primary result was published nowhere, other than a certain Dem candidate's (founder) paper, and in the NYTimes ... three (3) weeks after the fact, and posited by the pundit as a voter confusion with a *dead* Lyndon. that is to say, it was made into a joke. the Supreme Court decision that allowed this morphing of the Arkansas Dem Party's bylaws, was made on March 27, 2000, in OKing a panel's decision for the DNC, concerning the Voting Rights Act of '65, which was argued in August, '99 and decided in December, for a case that was brought for irregularities in the '96 election. piss on those voters, some more, folks! thus quoth: > Government by executive fiat, no matter how attractive the executive > order, is a part of that slide. > Look, you've got a President that wasn't the candidate for whom the people voted. You've got police that can spy on anybody, anytime by whatever means they wish. The government can arrest and hold anyone indefinately without charging them, and they are already doing this, and you've got the vast majority of the people who consent to it all. --Prenatal Advisory! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:10:20 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >From: Brian Hutchings > you have to say, > Why it is that "masts" are unacceptable alternatives > for constructing such a thing; dig? In this case, they weigh about 600 tonnes altogether. Wouldn't a comparable geodesic dome be lighter, more efficient, more pleasing? I asked: "How many columns prop up a geodesic dome?" > well, as many as there are end-struts at the perimeter > of the "n-freq geodesic/tensegritous dome" thingy! Why stop there? Why not call all the struts "columns" while you're about it? You know very well that a geodesic dome can keep a roof over your head without the need for columns to prop it up. That's one of its main features. Fuller called the dome a "clear span" structure for that reason. Paul Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:28:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Millers Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The geodesic dome must be a thorn in the side of engineers and architects all over the world. I wish I had collected all the second rate giant dome designs I have seen. > From: Paul Taylor > Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's > works" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:10:20 +0000 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome > >> From: Brian Hutchings > >> you have to say, >> Why it is that "masts" are unacceptable alternatives >> for constructing such a thing; dig? > > In this case, they weigh about 600 tonnes altogether. Wouldn't a comparable > geodesic dome be lighter, more efficient, more pleasing? > > > I asked: > > "How many columns prop up a geodesic dome?" > >> well, as many as there are end-struts at the perimeter >> of the "n-freq geodesic/tensegritous dome" thingy! > > Why stop there? Why not call all the struts "columns" while you're about it? > > You know very well that a geodesic dome can keep a roof over your head > without the need for columns to prop it up. That's one of its main features. > Fuller called the dome a "clear span" structure for that reason. > > > Paul Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:06:46 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: oscar tuazon Subject: Dome Documentary Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html

Hi all,
I am a photographer making a documentary about owner-built geodesic domes. I am  interested in talking with dome owners and photographing domes, especially those built in the early 1970s. I would greatly appreciate any thoughts anyone has on this.
All the best,
Oscar Tuazon
 

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========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:35:31 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Poster illustrations w/ Fuller quotes Comments: To: SpaceshipEarth@mail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear SSE, Thanks for the references. Yes, they have been offered on Ebay before. I've added them to my collection of Bucky-related posters; see: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/ByBFDrawings.htm (scroll down to "Posters") ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:11 AM Subject: Poster illustrations w/ Fuller quotes > Hello, > > Did you see these nice poster images on ebay: > > Revolution poster: > http://www.vepo-music.com/gr/loo/l-911.JPG > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1037307066 > > God is a verb: > http://www.vepo-music.com/gr/loo/l-113.JPG > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1037306179 > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:44:34 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Dome Documentary Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Oscar, Take a look at the DomeHome website: http://www.domegroup.org/ . It is = the companion website to the DomeHome List (newsletter) Also, you may want to take a look at my collection of residential domes = references: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-R.htm (scroll down to "Residential") =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: oscar tuazon=20 Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:06 AM Subject: Dome Documentary Hi all, I am a photographer making a documentary about owner-built geodesic = domes. I am interested in talking with dome owners and photographing = domes, especially those built in the early 1970s. I would greatly = appreciate any thoughts anyone has on this. All the best,=20 Oscar Tuazon ocaesar@hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:34:14 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: SpaceshipEarth@MAIL.COM Subject: Support This Day Comments: To: Tetworld Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The day after Thanksgiving is Buy Nothing Day, sponsored by Adbusters. President Bush and top White House officials have been urging Americans to "open up your wallets" and spend money to support the war effort and get the economy moving. As we march off to war, I've seen many editorials in the newspaper making a hoot of this, and I can't believe the blatantly crass statements I've heard top government officials make urging people to "open up your wallets" and "spend money." To make such a plea in the aftermath of the World Trade Center tragedy, and in the midst of bombing one of the poorest countries in the world, is the most sickening promotion of selfishness and blatant consumption I ever hope to live to see. In refusing to run an add for Buy Nothing Day, an NBC executive said, Buy Nothing Day is "in opposition to the current economic policy in the United States." After the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, everybody said, "Everything's changed, nothing's the same anymore." They said, "Everybody's priorities have changed. Everything that was important before now seems so trivial." But nothing has changed! It's still about the stock market, it's still about the Federal Reserve, it's still about the pursuit of trivial comforts and trivial entertainment. It's still about spending money for trivial things. It's business as usual. It's still about consuming rather than conserving resources and saving for the future. Economy means to conserve, and economize, to manage resourcefully. This isn't an economy. This is a farce! I grew up believing that this country was built by people that were thrifty; People who scrimped and saved and were resourceful. I believed that was the economy! The crass consumption that's being promoted by this administration goes against all of the ideals that the United States is said to represent. We can't continue to consume to the ends of the Earth! Support Buy Nothing Day! Support it every day. Conserve, don't consume. This is the way of Nature's Economy. Only by being conscious of nature's economy can we prevent the collapse of the Earth's ecosystems, avoid the wrath of nature, and avoid the wrath of the disenfranchised people of the Earth. Happy post-Thanksgiving day! Buy Nothing Day, sponsored by Adbusters: http://www.adbusters.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:36:31 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "W. Howard Adams" Subject: Re: Support This Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This email I am replying to is not what I expect to get through this group. This is spam, and it does not reflect what I understand the group's purpose is. I am going to remove myself from the group if it does not stop ----- Original Message ----- From: Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: Support This Day > The day after Thanksgiving is Buy Nothing Day, sponsored by Adbusters. > President Bush and top White House officials have been urging Americans to > "open up your wallets" and spend money to support the war effort and get the > economy moving. As we march off to war, I've seen many editorials in the > newspaper making a hoot of this, and I can't believe the blatantly crass > statements I've heard top government officials make urging people to "open > up your wallets" and "spend money." To make such a plea in the aftermath of > the World Trade Center tragedy, and in the midst of bombing one of the > poorest countries in the world, is the most sickening promotion of > selfishness and blatant consumption I ever hope to live to see. > > In refusing to run an add for Buy Nothing Day, an NBC executive said, Buy > Nothing Day is "in opposition to the current economic policy in the United > States." > > After the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, everybody said, > "Everything's changed, nothing's the same anymore." They said, "Everybody's > priorities have changed. Everything that was important before now seems so > trivial." > > But nothing has changed! It's still about the stock market, it's still about > the Federal Reserve, it's still about the pursuit of trivial comforts and > trivial entertainment. It's still about spending money for trivial things. > It's business as usual. It's still about consuming rather than conserving > resources and saving for the future. Economy means to conserve, and > economize, to manage resourcefully. This isn't an economy. This is a farce! > > I grew up believing that this country was built by people that were thrifty; > People who scrimped and saved and were resourceful. I believed that was the > economy! The crass consumption that's being promoted by this administration > goes against all of the ideals that the United States is said to represent. > > We can't continue to consume to the ends of the Earth! Support Buy Nothing > Day! Support it every day. Conserve, don't consume. This is the way of > Nature's Economy. > > Only by being conscious of nature's economy can we prevent the collapse of > the Earth's ecosystems, avoid the wrath of nature, and avoid the wrath of > the disenfranchised people of the Earth. > > Happy post-Thanksgiving day! > > Buy Nothing Day, sponsored by Adbusters: http://www.adbusters.org/ > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:52:25 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: SpaceshipEarth@MAIL.COM Subject: Re: Support This Day In-Reply-To: <000d01c17445$67bba240$7a44a1d1@tower> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It's relevance to the group is in reference to economics, especially nature's economy, which is the basis of Buckminster Fuller's Snergetics. It's also in sync with Buckminster Fuller's description of Obnoxico as well as GRUNCH, and a need to reorient human affairs, and change priorities, rather than just give lip service to the idea. As Fuller implicated, we either adjust to Nature's Economy, and do it quickly through a Design Science Revolution, or we face bloody revolution. If you're not familiar with some of these terms, you can find reference to them in Critical Path, and other Fuller works. Sorry if I offended you. This was strictly personal. Not spam. > From: "W. Howard Adams" > Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's > works" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:36:31 -0500 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Support This Day > > This email I am replying to is not what I expect to get through this group. > This is spam, and it does not reflect what I understand the group's purpose > is. > > I am going to remove myself from the group if it does not stop > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 12:34 PM > Subject: Support This Day > > >> The day after Thanksgiving is Buy Nothing Day, sponsored by Adbusters. >> President Bush and top White House officials have been urging Americans to >> "open up your wallets" and spend money to support the war effort and get > the >> economy moving. As we march off to war, I've seen many editorials in the >> newspaper making a hoot of this, and I can't believe the blatantly crass >> statements I've heard top government officials make urging people to "open >> up your wallets" and "spend money." To make such a plea in the aftermath > of >> the World Trade Center tragedy, and in the midst of bombing one of the >> poorest countries in the world, is the most sickening promotion of >> selfishness and blatant consumption I ever hope to live to see. >> >> In refusing to run an add for Buy Nothing Day, an NBC executive said, Buy >> Nothing Day is "in opposition to the current economic policy in the United >> States." >> >> After the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, everybody said, >> "Everything's changed, nothing's the same anymore." They said, > "Everybody's >> priorities have changed. Everything that was important before now seems so >> trivial." >> >> But nothing has changed! It's still about the stock market, it's still > about >> the Federal Reserve, it's still about the pursuit of trivial comforts and >> trivial entertainment. It's still about spending money for trivial things. >> It's business as usual. It's still about consuming rather than conserving >> resources and saving for the future. Economy means to conserve, and >> economize, to manage resourcefully. This isn't an economy. This is a > farce! >> >> I grew up believing that this country was built by people that were > thrifty; >> People who scrimped and saved and were resourceful. I believed that was > the >> economy! The crass consumption that's being promoted by this > administration >> goes against all of the ideals that the United States is said to > represent. >> >> We can't continue to consume to the ends of the Earth! Support Buy Nothing >> Day! Support it every day. Conserve, don't consume. This is the way of >> Nature's Economy. >> >> Only by being conscious of nature's economy can we prevent the collapse of >> the Earth's ecosystems, avoid the wrath of nature, and avoid the wrath of >> the disenfranchised people of the Earth. >> >> Happy post-Thanksgiving day! >> >> Buy Nothing Day, sponsored by Adbusters: http://www.adbusters.org/ >> > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:57:37 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Charles J Knight Subject: Re: Support This Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "open > up your wallets" and "spend money." To make such a plea in the > aftermath of > the World Trade Center tragedy, and in the midst of bombing one of > the > poorest countries in the world, is the most sickening promotion of > selfishness and blatant consumption I ever hope to live to see. Our economy is based on the free market, and as such is driven by consumer spending. Perhaps you've heard of the phrase "supply and demand?" Well, demand is defined by what people buy. The stock markets are representative of the relative health of our economy. Our stock markets are down, though making a comeback. Out of curiosity, though, of what relevance is the country that we're fighting? We purchase no Afghan goods, we use no Afghan labor to manufacture for our companies -- economically, of what consequence is it that we're bombing Afghanistan? I am usually opposed to violence of any sort, but I've had little problem with what we're doing in Afghanistan. We're using force, but only enough of it, and in the right places -- we're not nuking their cities. > But nothing has changed! It's still about the stock market, it's > still about > the Federal Reserve, it's still about the pursuit of trivial > comforts and > trivial entertainment. It's still about spending money for trivial > things. We live in a country where we're "higher up" on Maslow's hierarchy than other people. We don't *have* to worry, as average Americans, where our next meal is coming from...or whether or not our home will be invaded by rifle toting soldiers. We're *able* to worry about the "trivial" things, because the lower levels like food and clothing, are taken care of. > I grew up believing that this country was built by people that were > thrifty; > People who scrimped and saved and were resourceful. I believed that > was the > economy! The crass consumption that's being promoted by this It was -- thrifty doesn't mean tight fisted. It means that they try to get the most for their money...value vs price. Even in the midst of WWII, when we had rationing imposed, we still spent and the economy grew. Like it or not, we live in a capitalist country. That's the way this country works...if you don't like it, personally, you have the ability to try to change it, or move to another country. There are many to choose from, which are not capitalist. > We can't continue to consume to the ends of the Earth! This sentence, I agree with -- but not spending at all is the wrong idea. It's as extreme a position as "empty your wallets at the mall." I believe a more moderate position would be prudent. -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:05:24 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Millers Subject: Re: Support This Day In-Reply-To: <20011123.135746.752.0.c.knight@juno.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, Citizen! And our chocolate ration has been increased to 14 grammes! > From: Charles J Knight > Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's > works" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:57:37 -0600 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Support This Day > >> "open >> up your wallets" and "spend money." To make such a plea in the >> aftermath of >> the World Trade Center tragedy, and in the midst of bombing one of >> the >> poorest countries in the world, is the most sickening promotion of >> selfishness and blatant consumption I ever hope to live to see. > > Our economy is based on the free market, and as such is driven > by consumer spending. Perhaps you've heard of the phrase "supply > and demand?" Well, demand is defined by what people buy. > > The stock markets are representative of the relative health of > our economy. Our stock markets are down, though making a > comeback. > > Out of curiosity, though, of what relevance is the country that > we're fighting? We purchase no Afghan goods, we use no > Afghan labor to manufacture for our companies -- economically, > of what consequence is it that we're bombing Afghanistan? > > I am usually opposed to violence of any sort, but I've had little > problem with what we're doing in Afghanistan. We're using > force, but only enough of it, and in the right places -- we're not > nuking their cities. > >> But nothing has changed! It's still about the stock market, it's >> still about >> the Federal Reserve, it's still about the pursuit of trivial >> comforts and >> trivial entertainment. It's still about spending money for trivial >> things. > > We live in a country where we're "higher up" on Maslow's > hierarchy than other people. We don't *have* to worry, as > average Americans, where our next meal is coming from...or > whether or not our home will be invaded by rifle toting soldiers. > > We're *able* to worry about the "trivial" things, because the > lower levels like food and clothing, are taken care of. > >> I grew up believing that this country was built by people that were >> thrifty; >> People who scrimped and saved and were resourceful. I believed that >> was the >> economy! The crass consumption that's being promoted by this > > It was -- thrifty doesn't mean tight fisted. It means that they > try to get the most for their money...value vs price. Even in the > midst of WWII, when we had rationing imposed, we still spent > and the economy grew. > > Like it or not, we live in a capitalist country. That's the way this > country works...if you don't like it, personally, you have the ability > to try to change it, or move to another country. There are many > to choose from, which are not capitalist. > >> We can't continue to consume to the ends of the Earth! > > This sentence, I agree with -- but not spending at all is the wrong > idea. It's as extreme a position as "empty your wallets at the mall." > I believe a more moderate position would be prudent. > > -- Chuck Knight ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:42:15 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 23-NOV-2001 10:42 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us thanks, for the reasoning as to not having 12 masts on the "Millenium Dome: Dedicated to the First Knight of the Millenium, Dame Jo!" however, they didn't *have* to weigh so much; did they? thus quoth: Why stop there? Why not call all the struts "columns" while you're about it? You know very well that a geodesic dome can keep a roof over your head without the need for columns to prop it up. That's one of its main features. Fuller called the dome a "clear span" structure for that reason. --Harry the Potter! http://whyHarryPotterMustDie.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:44:35 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: SpaceshipEarth@MAIL.COM Subject: Re: Support This Day In-Reply-To: <20011123.135746.752.0.c.knight@juno.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Forget about Buy Nothing Day. It's a minor issue, and it's not going to change consumers' behavior. It's just a novel and innocent means of countering this heard mentality and bloated consumer culture. Buckminster Fuller, and many others, have seen the need to change our economic system, but I can't think of a more difficult task. I know Fuller's ideas for dealing with it didn't include moving to another country. It's better to focus on life support artifacts that offer such a greater advance in convenience, comfort and economy that people will readily want to adopt them. Probably the most important is dwelling machines, since our housing is a compilation of our basic life support technologies. Presently, we're retrofitting advanced computer, electrical and communications devices in a 5,000 year old infrastructure design. Housing needs to be redesigned from the ground up, and I predict this will create the next economic boom, far greater than that created by the information technology boom of the last decade. The economic gains and boost to the economy from a mass produced, resource efficient housing design would be enormous, essentially unlimited. But our economic system hasn't supported its development, yet. Humans have proven, in the mobilization for war, that we can mobilize the funding and the resources to accomplish anything that we set our will to achieve. Buckminster Fuller said he believed it would take a crisis to wake humanity up and respond intelligently to our true priorities. With the spend and consume as usual response to the present crisis, and a policy of continued over dependence on Middle East oil, it's likely there'll be more crises to come. With this spend and consume economy, the crisis to end all crisis, as Buckminster Fuller might have called it, will likely come from nature. You're not going to bomb mother nature into submission. The present war in Afghanistan is probably being conducted more humanely than any war Afghanistan has ever had. The coalition has talked about a Marshal Plan for Afghanistan, after a new government is established. We need to move beyond Afghanistan to a Global Marshal Plan. Of what relevance is the country that we're fighting, you ask. Specifically, of what economic relevance is Afghanistan to us? The reason the coalition is talking about a Marshal Plan for Afghanistan is because they understand that our stability is linked to their stability. It's no surprise that the worst act of terrorism in history was launched from one of the poorest countries in the world, against the centers of wealth and power in the richest country in the world. That act was very relevant to our economy, and it's the reason the president is in a tizzy trying to get people to open up their wallets and spend, spend, spend. This administration has discouraged consumers from being thrifty and economical in any way for as long as he's been in office. This administration is encouraging people to spend for unnecessary goods and services because our economy thrives on it. It's not a sustainable economy. They're trying to get people to override their instinct to conserve rather than spend. They want to do away with the attitude, widely expressed after the WTC attack, that "everything's changed," that "things that seemed so important before now seem so trivial." That was a healthy and mature attitude, to rethink priorities, and not continue business as usual. What ever happened to save? Saving and conserving are the kind of values that demonstrate and build character, the kind of values that build wealth, the kind of values the president is supposed to encourage, and that this country is supposed to exemplify. A retired schoolteacher writes an editorial in the local newspaper, and often laments how so many people are financially irresponsible, eating out, for instance, when they could better afford home cooked meals. The president should encourage such simple thriftiness as well. The Christmas glut is a real Obnoxico, Buckminster Fuller's fictional company. I see a lot of sadness and worry during what is supposed to be a joyous season. The suicide rate and armed robberies are highest at this time of year. A police sergeant told me he sees all kinds of strange crimes this time of year. Christmas is a very stressful time for many, and it's a reflection of this sick consumer economy. Many business owners worry about the survival of their business during the Christmas season. Many people fret over having enough money to buy Christmas gifts they feel obligated to buy, not because they want or need to. Many people put aside genuine needs, and the need to save, to buy unnecessary things. That's poor household economics, which is rampant. People need to be encouraged to be thrifty and not spendthrifts. Montgomery Wards, an American institution, went out of business three days after Christmas last year. They had longstanding problems, but Christmas finally did them in. Christmas is a make or break season for many businesses. The way our economy critically depends on over consumption during the Christmas holiday demonstrates how weak and fragile, how unreliable, and how invalid it is. This economy is not a viable economy, it's not sustainable, and it's not ecological. Three days ago I read where a top White House official asked people to "let go of fear," "open up your wallets" and "spend money." (That's a reasonably accurate quotation.) The many statements like this that I'm reading, and coming from such cultured people, are rude and crude. A more valid statement would have been, "lets let go of our fears and develop a more ecologically sustainable economy." There's more than enough resources for all to thrive, and thrive well, from America to Afghanistan, but our present economic system doesn't support it. Someone else wrote a comment about rationing chocolate. I'm not sure what that was about, but Buckminster Fuller proposed reserving scarce resources for "tasks that serve all society in general." I believe there are many precedents for governments doing this. The countries that grow chocolate are the poorest and have the most malnourished populations. People that can afford chocolate eat chocolate if they want. Most of the people in the countries that grow chocolate, although they work hard to survive, can't afford enough staple foods to eat, while much of the land is devoted to luxury crops, such as chocolate, sugar, coffee, tea, spices and other exports, the money going to service the foreign debt, and to a few wealthy land owners. It was interesting to hear of a banana shortage in Ecuador, the largest exporter of bananas in the world. I've since heard that this kind of thing is common all over the world. Isn't this a great economy we have. Let's open up our wallets and support it. Maslow said that when people's basic needs were met, they seek to fulfill more spiritual and altruistic needs, which is often true, and a some of this comes out during the Christmas season. Peace on Earth! Good will to all, all the time. > From: Charles J Knight > Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's > works" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:57:37 -0600 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Support This Day > >> "open >> up your wallets" and "spend money." To make such a plea in the >> aftermath of >> the World Trade Center tragedy, and in the midst of bombing one of >> the >> poorest countries in the world, is the most sickening promotion of >> selfishness and blatant consumption I ever hope to live to see. > > Our economy is based on the free market, and as such is driven > by consumer spending. Perhaps you've heard of the phrase "supply > and demand?" Well, demand is defined by what people buy. > > The stock markets are representative of the relative health of > our economy. Our stock markets are down, though making a > comeback. > > Out of curiosity, though, of what relevance is the country that > we're fighting? We purchase no Afghan goods, we use no > Afghan labor to manufacture for our companies -- economically, > of what consequence is it that we're bombing Afghanistan? > > I am usually opposed to violence of any sort, but I've had little > problem with what we're doing in Afghanistan. We're using > force, but only enough of it, and in the right places -- we're not > nuking their cities. > >> But nothing has changed! It's still about the stock market, it's >> still about >> the Federal Reserve, it's still about the pursuit of trivial >> comforts and >> trivial entertainment. It's still about spending money for trivial >> things. > > We live in a country where we're "higher up" on Maslow's > hierarchy than other people. We don't *have* to worry, as > average Americans, where our next meal is coming from...or > whether or not our home will be invaded by rifle toting soldiers. > > We're *able* to worry about the "trivial" things, because the > lower levels like food and clothing, are taken care of. > >> I grew up believing that this country was built by people that were >> thrifty; >> People who scrimped and saved and were resourceful. I believed that >> was the >> economy! The crass consumption that's being promoted by this > > It was -- thrifty doesn't mean tight fisted. It means that they > try to get the most for their money...value vs price. Even in the > midst of WWII, when we had rationing imposed, we still spent > and the economy grew. > > Like it or not, we live in a capitalist country. That's the way this > country works...if you don't like it, personally, you have the ability > to try to change it, or move to another country. There are many > to choose from, which are not capitalist. > >> We can't continue to consume to the ends of the Earth! > > This sentence, I agree with -- but not spending at all is the wrong > idea. It's as extreme a position as "empty your wallets at the mall." > I believe a more moderate position would be prudent. > > -- Chuck Knight > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 23:59:11 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Bonnifield Subject: BONDING BUCKY-ONIONS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PHYSICAL REVIEW FOCUS 19 November 2001 http://focus.aps.org/ David Ehrenstein and Geoff Brumfiel, American Physical Society Introductions to the Focus stories of the past week; visit http://focus.aps.org for the complete stories. BONDING BUCKY-ONIONS A tough material composed of nanoscale spheres might be just the thing for aerospace and other hi-tech industries. The new material, described in the 26 November print issue of PRL, is made from spherical cages of carbon and nitrogen atoms and has a rare combination of strength and elasticity. Initial tests show that it springs back when squashed and is chemically stable. (L. Hultman et al., Phys. Rev. Lett. 87, 225503. Link to the paper: http://link.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v87/e225503/ COMPLETE Focus story at http://focus.aps.org/v8/st27.html) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:56:22 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: BONDING BUCKY-ONIONS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee, Thanks for the reference. I will be adding it to my collection of articles relevant to the work of RBF: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/1Biblio.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Bonnifield" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: BONDING BUCKY-ONIONS > PHYSICAL REVIEW FOCUS 19 November 2001 http://focus.aps.org/ > David Ehrenstein and Geoff Brumfiel, American Physical Society > > Introductions to the Focus stories of the past week; > visit http://focus.aps.org for the complete stories. > > BONDING BUCKY-ONIONS > A tough material composed of nanoscale spheres might be just the > thing for aerospace and other hi-tech industries. The new material, > described in the 26 November print issue of PRL, is made from > spherical cages of carbon and nitrogen atoms and has a rare > combination of strength and elasticity. Initial tests show that it > springs back when squashed and is chemically stable. > (L. Hultman et al., Phys. Rev. Lett. 87, 225503. > Link to the paper: http://link.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v87/e225503/ > COMPLETE Focus story at http://focus.aps.org/v8/st27.html) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:23:10 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: GENI Comments: To: "Wilson, Jay M" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay, Here is the construction status of the Global Energy Network (about 50% = complete): http://www.geni.org/energy/multimedia/slideshows/animated/a_solution.htm For more information see: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/EndEnergyDistribGrid.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:12:23 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: dna computer Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://news.excite.com/news/r/011121/14/science-science-dnacomputer-dc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:34:28 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] What's next? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 24-NOV-2001 3:34 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us mister Martin, the Ruby Ridge incident occurred during the (Sir) George (H.W.) Bush administration, toward the end of it. as for Waco, it was literally thrown into Reno's lap by the outgoing admin., who was responsible for training these troops -- although not directly for the advice from the "Justice Dinosaurs" in the bureaucracy (Keeney and Richards), re CS gas over kerosene lamps! thus quoth: Reading the South Bend Indiana newsaper today, there was a letter to the editor wich cited the Reno aprovals of the unreasonable attacks on Waco, Ruby Ridge and one other From my perspective, we have moved a great distance from these kind of actions. --Why Must Harry the Potter die? http://whyHarryPotterMustDie.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:28:17 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Millers Subject: Re: Support This Day In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Someone else wrote a comment about rationing chocolate. I'm not sure what that was about, I was referring to the state controlled menality of the novel 1984. That is where the expression "Big Brother is Watching You" came from. The rebuttal to your letter sounded like a press release from the Bush administration, which is a good description of the news we are getting these days from the major networks. Hundreds of Afghan civilians and even entire villages have been destroyed, but you have to listen to the BBC or Democracy Now to find out about the clumsiness of bombing tiny targets from jet planes the stratosphere. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:29:43 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: spherical tet Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is one edge of the spherical tetrahedron equal to a third of its circumference? Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:44:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: What is tensegrity? / Millennium Dome <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 24-NOV-2001 3:44 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us here's an example from Buckafka Fullofit, himself: the umbrella that was supposed to go over the Old Man River complex; that is to say, you may not *want* the dome to touch the ground at the whole perimeter, or any of it. perhaps, the development concern will use the "M-dome, dedicated to Dame Jo "K" Rowling and her Icon of the British 'Public' Schools, Harry, the Wonderful Wizard of 'Great' Britain," as an umbrella for their constructions, after hacking hte base-struts away; eh? thus quoth: Why stop there? Why not call all the struts "columns" while you're about --Why Must Harry the Potter die? >http://whyHarryPotterMustDie.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:49:25 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: PEN Weekly NewsBlast for November 23, 2001 <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 24-NOV-2001 3:49 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us here's why I worry about philanthropists, like Bill Gates, helping public schools: 31% OF STUDENTS IN SEATTLE BYPASS PUBLIC SCHOOLS Nearly one in three students in Seattle attends private school, a ratio that puts the city among the highest in the nation. About 31 percent, or about 19,200 first-through 12th-graders, attend religious or other independent schools. The number is even higher in lower grades. Honolulu was next at 27.3 percent in private schools. They were followed by San Francisco, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Cincinnati. Local education officials attribute the high percentage to the work force, especially from the high-tech sector, and some say it doesn't necessarily reflect the quality of public schools. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134368760_census20m0.html --Prenatal Advisory! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/Funny.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:58:31 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Paying the price for homeland security <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 24-NOV-2001 3:58 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Sudan has been a target of British BS since they were the first (and last) Crown Colony to boot them out. I learned this, personally, by attending a couple of "educational" events at the Wiesenthal Center in L.A., which featured "live" TV that was not, and a real testimonial from an escaped slave -- from Morroco! thus quoth: Apparently, official US policy toward Sudan is becoming more accepting of widespread genocidal policies in the wake of 9/11, in part as a trade-off for assistance in the anti-terrorism campaign. For a brief press report see-- http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=12882 The most notable assertion in the report is: |But after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York |and Washington, the United States "in exchange for |information on terrorism, has apparently rewarded |Khartoum by removing obstacles to the lifting of UN |sanctions and by blocking the passage of the Sudan |Peace Act," said Freedom House. For an earlier background article see: http://216.119.117.183/religion/sudan/index.htm That earlier article takes the position that it was likely that the Bush administration would improve on the Clinton's administrations poor record regarding human rights in Sudan: |The coming to office of the Bush Administration offers |new hope that official American indifference to |Sudan's genocide will end. As the UN Security Council |effort showed, effective U.S. leadership makes a |difference. Such hopes will apparently have to be postponed. Since the groups targeted for genocide include Sudanese Christians, the question might be asked, what ethical/moral principle will the US government not be willing to abandon in this war on terrorism? --Why Must Harry the Potter die? >>http://whyHarryPotterMustDie.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:30:02 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: prosci@FREENET.EDMONTON.AB.CA Subject: Re: [synergeo] spherical tet Comments: To: synergeo In-Reply-To: <20011124182943.39285.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you take a sphere and divide the surface into four spherical equilateral triangles, each edge is 109.4712206 degrees which is less than a third. Respectfully, Ro Pro http://ecn.ab.ca/prosci On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, Dick Fischbeck wrote: > Is one edge of the spherical tetrahedron equal to a third > of its circumference? > > Dick > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > To post a message, send plain text only to: synergeo@eGroups.com > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: synergeo-unsubscribe@eGroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:16:44 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Tensegrity Comments: To: "Wilson, Jay M" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay, Regarding tensegrity engineering see the following: Tetrahedra: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetTensegTrusIntro.htm Octahedra: = http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/OctaIrregTensegTruss.htm Octet truss: Figures 420.01, 420.02 http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/findex/fx0400.html Structures: Figures 716.01, 717.01, 724.10, 730.11, 730.12 http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/findex/fx0700.html 1/2-mile diameter and larger domes: http://www.design.ncsu.edu/pages/subjectpages/SZZ.00007.HTML http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCloud.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:30:11 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Bonnifield Subject: tensegrity tension MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a photo of a 12 strut tensegrity I built last summer. http://communities.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnwaction=ShowPhoto&PhotoI D=78 The struts are 4 meters long and weigh 9 pounds each. There are 9 struts that don't touch the ground at all. Can anybody guess within 20 pounds what the tension is in any of the 48 wires? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:37:13 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Buckminster Fuller Website at MSN Comments: To: leebonnifield@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lee, Thanks for posting your pics to the Buckminster Fuller website at MSN. http://communities.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/_whatsnew.msnw Hopefully in time others will also start using the site. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:05:09 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Shed Kits Comments: To: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dusty, Stromberg sells Starplate kits that can be used for various things (chicken coops, greenhouses, storage sheds, etc); see: http://www.strombergschickens.com/products/aviary_supply.htm#framework (new URL) Some of the dome manufacturers probably make small domes that would be suitable for use as a shed, but a name doesn't come readily to mind at the moment. You may want to poke through my list of dome manufacturers; see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Dome-Dt.htm (scroll down to "Manufacturers") ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "The DomeHome List" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:30 AM Subject: Shed Kits > From: Cardusty@aol.com > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:07:04 EST > > Does anyone know of a good manufacture of shed kits. > Need something that would allow at least a five foot > door. > Dusty Girlinghouse > > > > .:'':. > .::::::::. The DomeHome Email List . http://www.domegroup.org > > > ** subscribe/unsubscribe to this list (under DOG LISTS) and subscribe to > DOME at http://www.hoflin.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:42:57 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: HtheP (the movie) <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 26-NOV-2001 11:42 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us so, has anyone seen any reviews of Harry the Potter, Damer Jo's icon of the British "Public" schools, that were not totally "magically" reclined? I keep on thinking, some of these metaphors by Dame Jo et al ad vomitorium, are so blatant, that every one (in Hollywood, at the least) knows, already. Here I am, like, "wow, who farted on over 8000 screens" at once, on Friday-before-last?" and, who let out LAUSD, early, for the Matinee? --PrenatalAdvisory! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:12:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] HtheP (the movie) <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 27-NOV-2001 6:12 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us does no-one see in the thus-far exposed tetralogy of Dame Jo's Harry-the-Potter books, a sort of crusading counterpart to the "islamic" terror that has been unleashed from places *like* "Londonstan?" thus saith: > so, has anyone seen any reviews of Harry the Potter, > Damer Jo's icon of the British "Public" schools, > that were not totally "magically" reclined? > I keep on thinking, > some of these metaphors by Dame Jo et al ad vomitorium, > are so blatant, that every one (in Hollywood, at the least) knows, > already. Here I am, like, "wow, who farted on over 8000 screens" > at once, on Friday-before-last?" > > and, who let out LAUSD, early, for the Matinee? > > --PrenatalAdvisory! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:01:22 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Fw: generalized principles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe S Moore" To: "Moore, Joe S" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: Re: generalized principles > Lou, > > Take a look at section 200.00 of _Synergetics_: > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s02/p0000.html > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joemoore27@home.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > "lou schilling" wrote in message > news:R8vM7.47350$q36.3265513@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com... > > > Fuller always talked about generalized principles being key in better and > > quicker understanding. Is there a concise list of all the generalized > > principles he had become aware of anywhere? I hear him talk about them > and > > how important they are, but the only examples I hear him give in lectures > > are leverage and mass attraction. I'd like to know about the other ones > > that maybe aren't as spontaneously apprehendable. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:00:05 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Fw: newcomer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe S Moore" To: "Moore, Joe S" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:11 AM Subject: Re: newcomer > Lou, > > Take a look at my "Bibliography" section: > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Biblio/1Biblio.htm > > You will find a list of audio and video tapes by and about Fuller, > and also a list of articles & books by or about him. > > Please keep in mind that my lists are not absolutely complete, but they are > a start. > > ============================= > Joe S Moore > joemoore27@home.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > "lou schilling" wrote in message > news:ATGL7.48826$Lo5.6676789@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com... > > > Is there a database of sound files, video files, and or documents by or > > pertaining to Buckminster Fuller? If so, could you provide me with > > weblinks? > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:03:45 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Fw: NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal: bit.listserv.geodesic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe S Moore" To: "Moore, Joe S" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Re: NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal: bit.listserv.geodesic > Try alt.bucky-fuller > and http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/geodesic.html > > ============================= > Joe S Moore > joemoore27@home.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > "Nanos" wrote in message > news:memo.20011128092331.396A@nanos.btinternet.com... > > > *From:* Steven Q. Miller - Usenet Administrator > > > > > > Newsgroup bit.listserv.geodesic slated for REMOVAL on 21 Nov 2001 > > > 21:47:21 >GMT. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ->----------------- > > > > > > Hello my name is Steven Q. Miller, and I am writing to alert > > > the regular readers of bit.listserv.geodesic that it will be removed > > > from Usenet on 21 Nov 2001 21:47:21 GMT. This action will be taken by > > > all > > > news servers, so clients are advised to update their > > > readers accordingly. > > > > > > Thank you for your kind attention, > > > Steven Q. Miller > > > > Typical isn't it, I just rejoin the group and its about to vanish.. > > > > > > Is this really happening ? > > > > Or happened I should say :-) > > > > If so, where do all the geodesic people hang out now ? > > > > > > Nanos, Pinky & The Brain fan.. > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:07:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: HttP5: Me, Personally !?! <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 28-NOV-2001 7:07 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I've alerted my City Council to the magikal threat of Harry Potterism in our schooldystrict -- even though half of'em are avowed pagans, of course! --HtP5: The Magician Who ****'d US! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/whyHarryPotterMustDie.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:21:11 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: done? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What does this mean? Dick > > > Hello my name is Steven Q. Miller, and I am writing to alert > > > the regular readers of bit.listserv.geodesic that it will be removed > > > from Usenet on 21 Nov 2001 21:47:21 GMT. This action will be taken by > > > all > > > news servers, so clients are advised to update their > > > readers accordingly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:14:42 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Fw: generalized principles Comments: To: Lee Bonnifield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee, Good work! I just forwarded a copy of your email to the Geodesic list. Everything posted to that list is put into a searchable archive. When others do a search for "Planck's constant", your email will pop up. Take a look at R W Gray's Synergetics Errata page; you may want to contact him. http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/rbfnotes/errata/grayer1.html ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Bonnifield" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Fw: generalized principles > > Take a look at section 200.00 of _Synergetics_: > > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s02/p0000.html > > I just spotted an error: > > 223.71 Planck's constant: ...grams per square centimeters per each second > > s/b > > 223.71 Planck's constant: ...grams times square centimeters per each second > > > h=6.63 x 10 ^-27 erg-seconds is a conventional way to write it, with the units > of energy x time. Energy has units of mass x velocity^2. With mass in grams and > velocity in centimeters per second, an erg has units grams x centimeters^2 / > seconds ^2 . > So ergs x seconds = > > grams x centimeters^2 / seconds > > not > > grams / (centimeters^2 x seconds) > > which is what I think Bucky said in 223.71 . It's not corrected in Synergetics > 2. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:25:07 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Fuller, Structures, and a Montessori Story Comments: To: Round12345@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, Thanks. I'm forwarding a copy of your email to the Geodesic list. I think it's great the way your daughter described the cube as melting! ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:44 PM Subject: Fuller, Structures, and a Montessori Story > Joe: > > Here is a story I posted on the Montessori discussion forum ... my brother > and I had been in Chicago, had seen the play with the gentleman impersonating > Fuller - and had commented on the session of the play where "Look at the Cube > - no structural integrity whatsoever" was seen. Afterwards, I bought a > magnet set - with rods and balls - and was showing my daughter the > tetrahedron. Later she came up to me (she was 4 at the time) and the > following story took place: > > Mike Round > > ---------------------------------------- > > Another Story: (the Montessori / Buckminster Fuller fans will especially > like this one): > > This morning, my daughter was playing with our magnet set, which is > incredible for building structures. > > She built a tetrahedron, and said "Look at my tetrahedron, daddy". She > built a cube and said "Look at my cube melt, daddy." (because a cube is > incredibly difficult to stand by itself - it "caves in" on itself!!) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:12:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Usama bin Londonstan! <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 28-NOV-2001 13:12 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us British Svengali Behind Clash Of Civilizations by Scott Thompson and Jeffrey Steinberg On Nov. 19, octogenarian British Orientalist spook Bernard Lewis wrote an elaborate apologia for Osama bin Laden, a fervent pitch for the inevitability of the "Clash of Civilizations," in the pages of New Yorker magazine. Under the headline "The Revolt of Islam," Lewis lied that the emergence of "Islamic terrorism" in the recent decades, is completely consistent with mainstream Islam, which is committed to the subjugation of the infidels to Islamic law. He went through 14 pages of a fractured fairy-tale history of Islam, quoting bin Laden's Oct. 7, 2001 videotape, where the Saudi expatriate spoke of Islam's "humiliation and disgrace ... for more than 80 years"a reference to the crushing of the Ottoman Empire by Britain and France in 1918. Lewis invented a tradition of jihad, "bequeathed to Muslims by the Prophet": "In principle," Lewis explained, "the world was divided into two houses: the House of Islam, in which a Muslim government ruled and Muslim law prevailed, and the House of War, the rest of the world, still inhabited and, more important, ruled by infidels. Between the two, there was to be a perpetual state of war until the entire world either embraced Islam or submitted to the rule of the Muslim state." Among all the different "infidels" ruling the House of War, Lewis asserted, Christianity was singled out as "their primary rival in the struggle for world domination." Lewis cited slogans painted on the walls of Jerusalem's Dome of the Rock from the Seventh Century, assailing Christianity. Lewis then claimed that the evolution of modern Islamic terrorism, specifically the al-Qaeda terrorism, had a long proud history within Islam, dating to the Assassins cult of the 11th-13th Centuries. (Lewis wrote a 1967 book, The Assassins, extolling the virtues of this secret society.) He also identified Saudi Arabia and Egypt as two regimes legitimately singled out by the Islamic jihadists, for their corruption by "modernism." He concluded, ominously: "For Osama bin Laden, 2001 marks the http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2846b_lewis_profile.html --Die, Harry the Potter, Die! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/whyHarryPotterMustDie.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:03:11 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: Re: Paper domes? Comments: To: Jim Fish In-Reply-To: <3BA398B6.17F4@earthlink.net>; from docbox@earthlink.net on Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 06:06:47PM +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 06:06:47PM +0000, Jim Fish wrote: > What ever happened to the 5c/sq.ft. > paper domes as described in Snyder's > book, p. 198? > > - jim > Still haven't arrived, but it's something we're working on. I recently got a copy of that book, and was just re-reading that section, actually. :-) You can see pictures of a prototype we built out of corrugated plastic material (~$1.00 sq. ft. vs. $0.05 sq. ft.) at http://reality.sculptors.com/what-sort.html (click on the brightly colored dome for more photos.) I haven't yet put in the descriptive text, but the pictures sort of speak for themselves. -- Pat ___________________Think For Yourself____________________ Patrick G. Salsbury - http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ The sushi mailing list is at http://reality.sculptors.com/lists.html --------------------------------------------------------- "I must Create a System or be enslav'd by another Man's. I will not reason or compare: my business is to Create." - William Blake ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:58:53 -0800 Reply-To: docbox@earthlink.net Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jim Fish Subject: Re: Paper domes? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Pat! Great to know the concept is still out there being developed! Now, how do we model Afghanistan? - jim ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:24:02 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Paper domes? In-Reply-To: <20011128200311.C2368@bootstrap.sculptors.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here is a picture of a steel dome that costs around two dollars/ft^2. The same design in fiberglass or paper would be much less. http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/synergeo/vwp?.dir=/&.src=gr&.dnm=randome+prototype.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/synergeo/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=gr%26.view=t or see synergeo photo album. Dick --- Patrick Salsbury wrote: > On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 06:06:47PM +0000, Jim Fish wrote: > > What ever happened to the 5c/sq.ft. > > paper domes as described in Snyder's > > book, p. 198? > > > > - jim > > > Still haven't arrived, but it's something we're > working on. > I recently got a copy of that book, and was just > re-reading that section, > actually. :-) You can see pictures of a prototype we > built out of > corrugated plastic material (~$1.00 sq. ft. vs. $0.05 sq. > ft.) at > http://reality.sculptors.com/what-sort.html (click on the > brightly colored > dome for more photos.) I haven't yet put in the > descriptive text, but the > pictures sort of speak for themselves. > > -- > Pat > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:51:06 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Harry the Potter in China <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 29-NOV-2001 6:51 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Shepherding the ambitious undertaking is the stately, state-owned People's Literature Publishing House. Its editors compressed into four months the translation, marketing and distribution of the first three of the four books in author J.K. Rowling's series for a planned Oct. 6 launch. --Prenatal Advisory! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/whyHarryPotterMustDie.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:54:36 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: Wow-!!!! you are going great with your site. Comments: To: Michael Mitchell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Michael, Thank you sooooo much! It is so rare for someone to really understand & appreciate what I'm doing. Every December I pay my internet provider (Cruzio) ahead for the whole next year. Also, my will states that all my Bucky-related stuff (Books, binders, computer stuff, etc, be donated to the Fuller Archives at Stanford University. God willing, my site will get better with time. I'm always adding new stuff, correcting links (over 2000), etc, etc. I try to update it at least once a year--sometimes twice. I'm now getting about 100 people/day (with no advertising) and about 10 searches/day. Judging from the days of the week and times of day, I'm guessing that most users are students. Take a look at the free stats service that I use: http://vwr1.hitbox.com/HitboxUI?p=1&acct=WQ590817CKNF&pd=3&y=2001&m=11&t=210 &cat=0&hp=0 Thanks again for the kind words, Joe PS: I'm now in Tucson, AZ, because the cost of housing is 1/3 what it is in California. ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mitchell" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: Wow-!!!! you are going great with your site. > Your a heart the greatest going bucky freak! 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To take yourself off my mailing list Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Gall, Julian" Subject: Dome Efficiency MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a question about geodesic domes. I know the theory about a dome being the most efficient structure. i.e. The smallest amount of material to enclose the largest volume. But, does this apply in practice at all sizes? I am thinking of small buildings such as sheds, garden rooms, garages etc. Conventional buildings like these are built very efficiently using vertical walls and a pitched or sloping roof. A dome of the equivalent size doesn't just need the same enclosed volume. It must have the same usable height over the same floor area, which will leave wasted space at the edges. Conversely, with a limited floor area, there will be more usable space in a conventional building than a dome. Is there a minimum dome size for human use that is worth building? Thanks for your comments. Julian ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:18:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Dome Efficiency In-Reply-To: <3D54B5D3D78EF14AB8DF7CD5A7939C79173D68@reoexc01.emea.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Is there a minimum dome size for human use that is worth > building? > > Thanks for your comments. > > Julian No, there is not. But most people stay under 25000 ft^2. I once knew a hermit that could not stand in his dome at all. So he usually sat. Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:36:26 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Robert Conroy Subject: Dome Efficiency MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Julian wrote: <> Any dome so small that you cannot stand up in it would not in my opinion be worth building for long term human habitation. Smaller domes can be used for such things as underground shelter, playground climbers, etc. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:15:18 -0800 Reply-To: docbox@earthlink.net Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Jim Fish Subject: Re: Dome Efficiency MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick Fischbeck wrote: > > > > > Is there a minimum dome size for human use that is worth > > building? > > > > Thanks for your comments. > > > > Julian > > No, there is not. But most people stay under 25000 ft^2. I > once knew a hermit that could not stand in his dome at all. > So he usually sat. > > Dick > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Geodesic dog house. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:34:06 -0700 Reply-To: Joe S Moore Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: [Retired] Subject: Re: [synergeo] 950.12 Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Kirby, Could you please post more details of your magnetic Mighty Mites (pics, drawings, etc)? If you already have, just point me in the right direction. ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirby Urner To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: [synergeo] 950.12 (snip) I have a brightly colored magnetic puzzle of 24 MITEs which assemble into a cube. (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:13:45 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Re: Dome Efficiency MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Julian, I think you have a valid question. I think your structure needs to address your needs. Frank Lloyd Wright used the term "Organic Architecture" (i.e. designing buildings from the inside out). My question is how do you measure "EFFICIENCY". There is the efficient use of materials. There is also the efficient use of manpower and machine production potential. A properly designed geodesic structure can be erected in a few hours and is intrinsically stable. Also, even a small dome can have all its floor space "usable" depending on where the dome is truncated . -Tony. http://geodesemetry.net -----Original Message----- From: Gall, Julian [mailto:Julian.Gall@COMPAQ.COM] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:35 AM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Dome Efficiency I have a question about geodesic domes. I know the theory about a dome being the most efficient structure. i.e. The smallest amount of material to enclose the largest volume. But, does this apply in practice at all sizes? I am thinking of small buildings such as sheds, garden rooms, garages etc. Conventional buildings like these are built very efficiently using vertical walls and a pitched or sloping roof. A dome of the equivalent size doesn't just need the same enclosed volume. It must have the same usable height over the same floor area, which will leave wasted space at the edges. Conversely, with a limited floor area, there will be more usable space in a conventional building than a dome. Is there a minimum dome size for human use that is worth building? Thanks for your comments. Julian ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:27:29 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Synergetics Coordinates Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" Nick, If properly designed, ANY dome would be self-cooling; see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/EndEnergyCoolingFree.htm and http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCrater.htm and http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityDowntownCover.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joemoore27@home.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= "Nick Pine" wrote in message news:9u7rar$r74@acadia.ee.vill.edu... > Michael Mitchell wrote: > > >If they would have built the dome city over New York City it would have > >stopped the planes and saved the towers. > > What's the power consumption of NYC? How would you cool it? > > Nick > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:33:17 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: map Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii December 2001 National Geographic article about the internet uses and cites Bucky's map. Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:33:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Harry the Potter in China <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 30-NOV-2001 10:33 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us if you haven't read Bucky's little golden books on political economy, then you may not see any relavents in stuff that is not exactly geodesic, f'sure. thus quoth: Please stop sending us all this stuff. Let's just stick to discussions about Fuller's work and matters arising, and post other things to other forums. --Die, Harry, the Potter, Die! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/whyHarryPotterMustDie.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:38:16 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Dome Efficiency <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 30-NOV-2001 10:38 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us you have enunciated a question that leads to an obvious conclusion. "the" geodesic dome is not a panacea for all structural problems, not even strictly housing. of course, a lot of thhis stuff comes under the heading of "elementary constructive geometry," which Bucky hath carefully hidden in his opus, _S_, but which is apparent in his dedication to the geometer of Canada, HSMC. thus quoth: Is there a minimum dome size for human use that is worth building? have you seen Barbie's Geodesic Outhouse? --Die, Harry, the Potter, Die! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/whyHarryPotterMustDie.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:43:43 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Synergetics Coordinates <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 30-NOV-2001 10:43 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us yes, that diagram may hold in general, with the proviso that there are no walls erected to obstruct the gyres o'ventilation -- of course! thus quoth: If properly designed, ANY dome would be self-cooling; see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/EndEnergyCoolingFree.htm and http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCrater.htm and http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityDowntownCover.htm --Die, Harry, the Potter, Die! >>http://quincy4board.homestead.com/whyHarryPotterMustDie.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:46:45 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Globalization <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 30-NOV-2001 10:46 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us the "antiglobalizers" are largely a lot o'jacobins, in temperament; some of them are "card-carrying members o'Scottish Rite Freemasonry," though! thus quoth: Is there an alternative? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Doha spells disaster for development Caroline Lucas says that those who claim 'anti-globalisation' has no positive agenda are wrong. Bridging the global divide Michael Jacobs argues that protestors must ditch 'anti-globalisation' if they are to pressure the rich world to finally keep its promises to the poor. -------------- Keeping the pressure on A new US multilateralism will come with many strings attached. Popular pressure is more important than ever, writes Alex Wilks. ------- What we want Leading thinkers and campaigners set out their agenda for how the globalisation debate should respond after September 11th ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- - 'Historic' deal saves Kyoto, but America stays outside Every country in the world except the US reached agreement this weekend on how to enforce the Kyoto accord on tackling climate change. China admitted to global market Dangerous road to Doha Success at this week's trade talks is critical. But are they doomed from the start, ask Nick Mathiason and John Madeley. The agenda: Food, drugs - and debt reduction --Die, Harry, the Potter, Die! >>>http://quincy4board.homestead.com/whyHarryPotterMustDie.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:32:45 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Millers Subject: Re: Synergetics Coordinates In-Reply-To: <200111301843.fAUIhhA06561@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I am interested in hearing from anyone who has experienced The Effect firsthand. > From: Brian Hutchings > Reply-To: "List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's > works" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:43:43 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Synergetics Coordinates >=20 > <> Brian =BFQuincy! Hutchings 30-NOV-2001 10:43 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us >=20 > yes, that diagram may hold in general, > with the proviso that there are no walls erected > to obstruct the gyres o'ventilation -- of course! >=20 > thus quoth: > If properly designed, ANY dome would be self-cooling; see >=20 > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/EndEnergyCoolingFree.htm >=20 > and http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCrater.htm >=20 > and http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityDowntownCover.htm >=20 > --Die, Harry, the Potter, Die! >>> http://quincy4board.homestead.com/whyHarryPotterMustDie.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:09:45 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Bonnifield Subject: Re: Synergetics Coordinates Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >From: The Millers > I am interested in hearing from anyone who has experienced The Effect > firsthand. Joe Moore? said >> If properly designed, ANY dome would be self-cooling; see I am extremely skeptical of this cooling effect on a structure smaller than a large stadium. But if this subject came up regarding a dome to cover a CITY -- any structure that big will create its own weather. Actually I am still skeptical of the effect working for cooling as Bucky described, but a city-sized dome could be designed to generate lots of atmospheric effects I bet. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:27:31 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Robert Conroy Subject: Re: Synergetics Coordinates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Joe Moore was reported to have wrote: >> If properly designed, ANY dome would be self-cooling; see>> Joe, for a measly $50,000, I would be prepared to sign over to yo= u a Quit Claim Deed to the Brooklyn Bridge? If interested, please e-mail m= e direct. Please contact me on this once in a life time deal before I chan= ge my mind. I am willing to make this once in a lifetime offer to anyone= who is a true believer, and believes ANY properly designed dome is self-cooling. Bob =