From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Jun 15 10:10:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from acsu.buffalo.edu (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.57]) by linux00.LinuxForce.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i5FE9va6007903 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:09:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200406151409.i5FE9va6007903@linux00.LinuxForce.net> Received: (qmail 17981 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 14:09:57 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 14:09:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:09:57 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Buffalo (1.8e)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG0202" To: Chris Fearnley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.71, clamav-milter version 0.71 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on linux00.LinuxForce.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.7 tests=BAYES_50,CLICK_BELOW, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,REMOVE_IN_QUOTES autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: x Status: RO Content-Length: 207063 Lines: 5051 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:53:37 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Testing Comments: To: tverse@fluidiom.com, Jessie , dick0611@juno.com, Kirby Urner , Steve Waterman Comments: cc: all@fluidiom.com, Synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any body in mood for guessing? How many spheres? http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/guessMe2.gif (148kb .gif) (the .jpg was 240kb) 800x600, oversized pionts in jade, minimum distance (sphere diameter) in clear glass. Tverse01 packing engine run two hours on the piont-set, interrupted sooner than proper. (I got too curious.) Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:14:59 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: random close packing In-Reply-To: <200201311338.g0VDcAO21449@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings > 31-JAN-2002 5:38 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > you merely *assert* that this shape exists? > since the hexahedron can nest its 8 apices > into the 20 of an icosagon (dodecahedron), > can you find a way to twist it, so that > your alleged condition occurs? > that is, > "12 5-way vertices and 8 6-way vertices." Yes. The skewwing occurs during construction. The element of construction is a cone or a tensional restrained hub and strut arrangement, like an umbrella. Both types are flexible. Once an element in surrounded by 5 or 6 other elements, that element it holds it shape. > > oops; I was thinking of the dodecagon (icosahedron) > having the 12 apices. now, > although the cube doesn't nest in it, > it does nest within the octahedron (dually, > 8 of its faces in 8 of the icosahedron's), and > the cube is the dual to *that*; so, > maybe you can configure it with that in mind. > > if you don't think that I'm helping you, then, > go take a long swim in a short desert ocean! I hear you. Thanks > > thus quoth: > Well, I know 12 vertexes have 5 triangles around them > and 8 > vertexes have 6 triangles around them. What else do you > want to know about it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:19:54 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Testing In-Reply-To: <000701c1aaed$319b0aa0$d675d918@jb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- John Brawley wrote: > Any body in mood for guessing? > > How many spheres? > > http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/guessMe2.gif > http://tetrahedraverse.com 270 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! 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Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:19:46 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Re: [synergeo] Re: Testing Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Comments: cc: tverse@fluidiom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All rightie, we have two guesses so far.... Dick Fischbeck : 270 Tom Ace : 239 Any others? ( Referring to: http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/guessMe2.gif ) From: "tom_e_ace" > --- In synergeo@y..., "John Brawley" wrote: > > > I'll hold your '270' in mind until I see if anyone else hazards a > > guess... > > 239 > Tom Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:35:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: random close packing <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 01-FEB-2002 10:35 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I can't tell if you've *ever* heard any thing that I've been trying to relate; you're still on this empty hypothesis about *curvature*, some thing which is very cut-and-dried, in most respects, at leat in "eyclidean 3D space." in any case, all taht you have to do is, show a simple, schematic "topograpical graph" of this putative shape, not its fruits&nuts&bolts&struts construction. that is to say, you're speaking through the fog of a rectal dysplay unit -- I mean, pressure! Helen Keler said it, best: WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwww WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEee RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrr! thus quoth: > "12 5-way vertices and 8 6-way vertices." Yes. The skewwing occurs during construction. The element of construction is a cone or a tensional restrained hub and strut arrangement, like an umbrella. Both types are flexible. Once an element in surrounded by 5 or 6 other elements, that element it holds it shape. > > oops; I was thinking of the dodecagon (icosahedron) > having the 12 apices. now, > although the cube doesn't nest in it, > it does nest within the octahedron (dually, > 8 of its faces in 8 of the icosahedron's), and > the cube is the dual to *that*; so, > maybe you can configure it with that in mind. > > if you don't think that I'm helping you, then, > go take a long swim in a short desert ocean! I hear you. Thanks --AOL Ghostscript? > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/whyHarryPotterMustDie.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 06:50:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: random close packing In-Reply-To: <200202011835.g11IZtD30620@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > all taht you have to do is, > show a simple, schematic "topograpical graph" > of this putative shape, not its fruits&nuts&bolts&struts > construction. What is a schematic topo graph? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! 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Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:20:11 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Gaps Comments: To: tverse@fluidiom.com, geometry@fluidiom.com Comments: cc: Synergeo , Jessie , dick0611@juno.com, Steve Waterman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a method now, which I do not trust and am nit sure is doing what I want it to do, but it *looks* like it is. There are probably anomalies. As Alan Ferguson, in PM's and this AM's mail in synergeo, described a method he's using to visualize the struts(springs) in sphere.exe's outputs, I was simultaneously working on a long-desired method to see, from my own sphere-packer's output to PovRay, these same intervals, colored according to length and given that length. This is the first complete output from that accessory filewriter. It does pretty much the same as Alan's system (which in code is way beyond my Python knowledge), with the added functions of making struts whose: 1) lengths are the amount by which they are longer than the minimum distance allowed between pionts, 2) "floats" them in between the pionts (pionts themselves are invisible here; in principle both could be rendered in the same file), and 3) colors them according to how long they are. I don't think this is a correct algorithm yet, but it seems to be doing this. I didn't let the 33-piont packing run nearly long enough for "good packing"; I just wanted to see what the thing would do.... http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/povGaps.gif (43kb) Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:15:05 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Gaps Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com, tverse@fluidiom.com, geometry@fluidiom.com Comments: cc: Synergeo , Jessie , dick0611@juno.com, Steve Waterman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Follow-on: "Gaps" As earlier, same idea, both the normal output file and the new one, fused. Fusion done in PovRay (this is not a direct program output), slight modifications made to both output files' properties. (Cylinder diameter increased, texture changed to Glass1, stereo kludged a little, etc.) 13 spheres packed "loosely" (Tverse packing engine ran to completion, but the compressor sphere used was slightly larger than ideal). http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/2L_Gaps13.gif (??kb, 800x600) Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 06:43:45 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: random close packing <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 02-FEB-2002 6:43 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us a simple line-drawing is all that a graphtheoretical "graph" is; it's just segments (struts) and vertices (hubs). and, your URL didn't work -- don't bother, til you've found a *possible* shape. Brian- Is this the kind of graph you mean? It has more than 20 vertexes, though. See map at: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/synergeo/lst --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/clownsugarSkotsmagic.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:46:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: random close packing In-Reply-To: <200202021443.g12EhjK01147@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > a simple line-drawing is all that a graphtheoretical > "graph" is; > it's just segments (struts) and vertices (hubs). and, > your URL didn't work -- don't bother, > til you've found a *possible* shape. No problem, but if you can't get to that URL(it works for me), how you gonna see my picture? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:56:50 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Gaps In-Reply-To: <000901c1ac05$ae3f9120$d675d918@jb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/povGaps.gif > (43kb) > > Peace > JB Are there 12 lines ending at each point? Except for the ones at the outside, which have 6? Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:00:57 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Gaps In-Reply-To: <001001c1ac0d$47cf3a00$d675d918@jb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ideal). > > http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/2L_Gaps13.gif > (??kb, 800x600) > > Peace > JB Can you average out the lengths of the struts so the are closer to the same length? Why to do this is a diferrent story. Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:17:33 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: random close packing <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 02-FEB-2002 7:17 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us this kind o'thing can get tiresome -- and is, presently! by way of analogy via philology --another groovy word, but don't assume, what it meaneth-- my litle hypothesis on the intransitive verb, "toking," is partially confirmed by the one dictionary that I looked it up in. that is to say, "slang, American, 1950-55, unknown origin" is neccesary to the hypothesis, although not conclusive or sufficient! --Tolkein that funny weed? > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/whyHarryPotterMustDie.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:49:37 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Re: Gaps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/2L_Gaps13.gif > > (??kb, 800x600) > > Can you average out the lengths of the struts so the are > closer to the same length? Why to do this is a diferrent > story. > > Dick Uhhh... Uh... What? The engine packs from the spheres' perspective. That is, the spheres are designed to have their own repulsion fields, so there's really no way for me to artificially require something like that of them. I have three controls: 1) number of spheres, 2) sphere diameter (a global constant; all are same diameter), and 3) diameter of the compressing containing sphere. I _intend_ some day to have dynamic/interactive control of all three, but not today, and probably not for months. Next is a "game engine" rendering system, so I can SEE _ ---i need to SEE...-- into the engine while it's running. In theory, IF the right combination of all three inputs is right, they should all sort of even out anyway, but the purpose of the machine is to find out what sorts of arrangements result from packing (and a little meddling), and how the various 'gaps' distribute themselves given various numbers and various (yet to be implemented) controls, such as deletion of one sphere here and there. So, you tell me: _why_ would I want to average them out? Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:58:35 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Re: Gaps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/povGaps.gif > > (43kb) > > > Are there 12 lines ending at each point? Except for the > ones at the outside, which have 6? > > Dick > No, this is a Tetrahedraverse exploration machine, not a sphere-packing engine. (*smiling*) Currently, when the cylinders are written out, any cylinder which is longer than 'x' but shorter than 'y' --is ignored and not written. All cylinders with lengths greater than 0.0 and less than 1.0 (currently; I can change these) are ignored. You see only the 'gaps' between sphere-surfaces which were in between that range. (Same idea Alan described here earlier for what he's going to do with his version.) So, in truth, since I don't *make* any of this do what it does (it's all up to the engine once I feed it and let it chew), and since I have no way to predict what the end packing will look like, I don't even *know* how many cylinders there are, or what their lengths and colors will be. I can't count them very well, even in the output file. All I wanted to do is be able to at last *see* them. Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:08:40 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: random close packing >> a simple line-drawing is all that a graphtheoretical >> "graph" is; >> it's just segments (struts) and vertices (hubs). and, >> your URL didn't work -- don't bother, >> til you've found a *possible* shape. > >No problem, but if you can't get to that URL(it works for >me), how you gonna see my picture? Ah, oops. I apologize, Brian. This is a 25verton. It has 46 faces and 69 edges. http://communities.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto& PhotoID=84 Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:40:57 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Re: random close packing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Ah, oops. I apologize, Brian. > This is a 25verton. It has 46 faces and 69 edges. > > http://communities.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPho to& > PhotoID=84 "Oslo flight paths?" (*g*) Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:10:33 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Floating-point MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For Brian, who a while back raised 'precision' issues regarding computers and their math: http://www.lahey.com/float.htm This was a link from the Python documentation. Interesting for its own sake, it shows there's error, but rather tiny (one part in 10-to-the-53rdpower?) Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:02:12 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: tet packing Comments: cc: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I haven't look too far into this site, but I can see that they are discussing a related phenomenon, related to random packing. I think it is also about the tetrahedral accounting of space. http://jfi.uchicago.edu/~tten/Crumpling/ I was asking about the ratio of tets to vertexes in the IVM and a tet pack. Is it 6:1 and 5:1, respectively? Not including the edges, of course. Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:44:18 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Segal, VE, and ? Comments: To: geometry@fluidiom.com, Synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this what y'all (including Kirby) were referring to last week or so? (My daughter chanced across this ans thought I'd be interested; she knows about Tverse and can pick out pertinencies --she's 17.) http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/SegalConf3.html#4th24cellring Scan *way* down the page, to where he starts drawing his particles into VEs.... Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 09:55:24 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Segal, VE, and ? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 03-FEB-2002 9:55 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us as they say, this is really rich! thus quoth: The Euclidean version of GraviPhotons, generators of Spin(6) = SU(4), correspond to Quaternion 2x2 Matrix Linear Fractional Moebius Transformations. The corresponding Complex Linear Fractional Moebius Transformations can be used to visualize the usefulness of GraviPhoton SpaceTime Shape-Changing. For example, the Elliptic Complex Linear Fractional Moebius Transformations can be used to make a Complex version of a type of Alcubierre Warp Drive that moves through space by the Alcubierre mechanism (Classic and Quantum Gravity 11 (1994) L73) in which you "... create a local distortion of spacetime that will produce an expansion behind the spaceship, and an opposite contraction ahead of it. In this way, the spaceship will be pushed away from the earth and pulled towards a distant star by spacetime itself. ...". Since the spacetime around the spaceship is not distorted, the spaceship and its contents feel no G-forces from acceleration. (Note: My reference to Alcubierre's warp drive is intended to refer only to the general idea of contracting spacetime ahead of a ship and expanding spacetime behind a ship. I do NOT say that what I propose uses the same physics mechanism by which Alcubierre actually proposes to accomplish this. In fact, my proposal is NOT equivalent to the mechanism used by Alcubierre. Among the differences, I do not have to build a bubble around the spaceship, while Alcubierre does have to do that.) In the Elliptic Conformal Moebius Map shown above, a Ship around the two focal points on the Spatial Line would contract SpaceTime above it and pull it through the Ship/Points, while pushing away expanding SpaceTime to the bottom. To try to visualize the full 4-dimensional Quaternionic SpaceTime version of the GraviPhoton Moebius Alcubierre Warp Drive, look at the RP1 x S3 SpaceTime of the D4-D5-E6-E7 physics model in terms of RP1 Time and S3 Space, and then look at the S3 Space part in terms of its Hopf Fibration. Consider the 2-dimensional Ship as being built around the two focal points. thus quoth: http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/SegalConf3.html#4th24cellring Scan *way* down the page, to where he starts drawing his particles into VEs.... --les duc d'Enron? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/clownsugarSkotsmagic.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:01:04 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: random close packing <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 03-FEB-2002 10:01 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us you're an annoyance, "Dick;" perhaps, girls shouldn't attempt geometry! as it says on the plan of the tetrahedra-to-fold, they are 24ths of an FCC domain, a.k.a. "mytes" in Buckyland, congruent with the "IVM." I haven't look too far into this site, but I can see that they are discussing a related phenomenon, related to random packing. I think it is also about the tetrahedral accounting of space. http://jfi.uchicago.edu/~tten/Crumpling/ I was asking about the ratio of tets to vertexes in the IVM and a tet pack. Is it 6:1 and 5:1, respectively? Not including the edges, of course. that's a question that probably no-one has bothered to ask, so answer it, yourself! --les duc d'Enron? >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/clownsugarSkotsmagic.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:09:11 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: random close packing <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 03-FEB-2002 10:09 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us that's not the point, at all. the problem is cognate with the *inherent* "chaos" of Mandelbrot's so-called magnifiaction procedure, in the little matter of endless iterations: multiplications (or 2nd-powering, as in the M-set equation) freak-out in an exponential manner. as to what is involved, prescisely, in a Struck iteration o'springspace, it may be even more relavent. that fact is that the IEEE spec is only a standard, and it is widely implimented amongst the CPUs and FPUs and software algorithms for FP (although it's probably cut-and-dried for F90, the Fortran standard). all of the M-set, other than the basic cardioid shape -- which was the clue that led me to find this -- is nothing but a big joke on Thomas Watson; it's just an artifact of floating pointallism! thus quoth: For Brian, who a while back raised 'precision' issues regarding computers and their math: http://www.lahey.com/float.htm This was a link from the Python documentation. Interesting for its own sake, it shows there's error, but rather tiny (one part in 10-to-the-53rdpower?) --les duc d'Enron? >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/clownsugarSkotsmagic.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:35:43 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Re: random close packing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Brian Hutchings" > > that's not the point, at all. > the problem is cognate with the *inherent* "chaos" > of Mandelbrot's so-called magnifiaction procedure, Not the point? You impugned Struck's outputs, based on IEEE specs for computer calculations? I merely thought the URL's subject illustrative. But, if the M-set's outputs, as seen in such as Fractint (freeware, last I checked) were truly choatic, we would not see such deeply recursive regularities); there would be anomalies. As regards Struck ( and by association, SpringDance), they're merely calculation engines, neither rieterative nor recursive, which suffer only from the sort of rounding error discussed in the article. Trust them not, as you prefer. I am not quite that persnickety. (*g*) Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/clownsugarSkotsmagic.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:25:20 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Re: [synergeo] Re: Testing Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Comments: cc: tverse@fluidiom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, folks, there've been only two guesses, so I'd like to give one more chance at this before I tell y'all how many spheres were in the pack.... > Dick Fischbeck : 270 > Tom Ace : 239 > ( Referring to: http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/guessMe2.gif ) Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:15:25 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: [synergeo] Re: Testing In-Reply-To: <001801c1ad87$eabf99a0$d675d918@jb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am changes my guess. I'll say 400 now. --- John Brawley wrote: > Well, folks, there've been only two guesses, so I'd like > to give one > more chance at this before I tell y'all how many spheres > were in the > pack.... > > > Dick Fischbeck : 270 > > Tom Ace : 239 > > > ( Referring to: > http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/guessMe2.gif ) > > Peace > JB > jgbrawley@earthlink.net > http://tetrahedraverse.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:57:35 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Re: [synergeo] Re: Testing Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Comments: cc: tverse@fluidiom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No Palms, Kirby, but the way the guesses are running so far, I suspect you'll get at least a chuckle.... You're questioning the prize, but not hazarding a guess, sir? Dick F. has upped his guess to 400. C'mon, people; this should even be mathematically estimable. Dick Fischbeck: 400 Tom Ace: 239 John Rich: 218 http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/guessMe2.gif From: "Kirby Urner" > > What's the prize? Do I get a PalmPilot? Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 05:49:50 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: random close packing <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 04-FEB-2002 5:49 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us oops. <> Brian ?Quincy! Hutchings 04-FEB-2002 5:42 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us as I said, I don't know *how* it affects Struck quantitatively. as it stands, since Struck must deal with "graph" of connected nodes (vertices per se), it may qualitatively come-out OK, and dynamically. as far as your mere assertion on exponentially- increasing "round-off" stuff in the FP suite (hard/soft), it isn't your fault that monsieur M. didn't stick it to the engineers in his building, the silly Fellow! it's easy to double-check, though, if you don't want to believe's Benoit's begging of my question (and, I wonder, what the others who were with me, thought that he said): just look at the paucity of dyscussion of the IEEE-755/-855 spec. in the manual of your "fractal reality ware." the issues are both elementary, and quite pernicious. at Benoit's talk, I was the only one to have asked a technical question, which he answered in a most unusual way! thus quoth: But, if the M-set's outputs, as seen in such as Fractint (freeware, last I checked) were truly choatic, we would not see such deeply recursive regularities); there would be anomalies. As regards Struck ( and by association, SpringDance), they're merely calculation engines, neither rieterative nor recursive, which suffer only from the sort of rounding error discussed in the article. the M-set is nothing *but* anomalies, and this is easily shown, at least in a heuristical fashion (I don't think it neccesary to "prove" per se, since the authors of the garbage have done such a junky job .-) to wit, the only plausible non-anomaly (but that is to be constrained by further examination, and may be ultimately incorrect) is the largest cardiod, putatively colored black on its inside (I forget all o'the details, since it's been years since I've looked at it, again). the cardioid is the Galileo's cycloid, and is easy to generate mechanically; don't use the polar co-ords, though, or you won't see the connection to the M-set generating-function. --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/clownsugarSkotsmagic.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:11:58 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: random close packing <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 04-FEB-2002 6:11 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us of course, the hypothesis about "tokin'" isn't bad, but it relies on believing the dictionary (I haven't looked in an Oxford 26-vol. job, as yet, for fun), and other sorts of considerations, but the clincher, at this rate, is that Tolkien *was* a philologist, so that he'd get a kcik out of this, if he didn't devize it, himself. (and, as my friend pointed-out, it's a spoonerism with smokin', whcih add's or subtracts from my hypothesis, as you like.) so, what is the place of Euler's theorem on topology, apices plus facets equals edges plus two, in "Dick's" hypothesis? note that, what was actually noted parenthetically by Bucky's "insideness & outsideness," the equation's "two" can be replaced with "cells," volumetrically. what does this do for the usual dyscussion of the "Euler characteristic," which is two for simple convex shapes? --les ducs d'Enron! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/clownsugarSkotsmagic.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:49:50 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Re: Guess how many Comments: To: tverse@fluidiom.com, Synergeo Comments: cc: geometry@fluidiom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hah! Game over: We Have a Winner! Guesses were: > > Dick Fischbeck : 400 > > Tom Ace : 239 > > John W. Rich : 218 > > Frank Zubek : 256 > > *! John Braley : a round 1000 Yes, John, an exact one thousand spheres are packed in that image. I find myself wondering how/why y'all other guessers were coming up with such low estimates? Methodology explanations, anyone? (I figured somebody would merely count a close approximation of spheres across the waist of the thing, double that to get a circumference, use Pi to get a radius from that, and do the sphere-volume formula, which should have prevented guesses as low as Dick's, Tom's, and Frank's.) ( Referring to: http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/guessMe2.gif ) Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:44:52 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Bonnifield Subject: Re: random close packing Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > From: Brian Hutchings > just look at the paucity of dyscussion of the IEEE-755/-855 spec. in the > manual of your "fractal reality ware." As always I'm very uncertain about what you're saying. Have you ever used Fractint? I still have version 18.2 (for DOS, from 1993.) Are you aware that you can turn off the floating-point algorithm, and do everything in integer math? That's the origin of the "INT" in the name! FRACTINT uses 16-bit integers for the first few zoom levels, where errors stay well within the area covered by a single pixel. Have you read the FRACTINT help topic "Limitations of Integer Math (And How We Cope)"? Basically it uses 16-bit integers only until that range is no longer adequate for exact representation; then switches to 32-bit integers until you've zoomed in to the 32-bit integer max (about 5 zooms.) If you keep zooming beyond the range of integer math it switches to a floating-point algorithm unless you have toggled FP off, in which case it stops zooming. A max zoom covers about 0.25% of the previous screen. At least two mini-mandelbrots are visible in the spike to the left after only 1 zoom (with bailout n=1500.) > the only plausible non-anomaly (but that is to be constrained by further > examination, and may be ultimately incorrect) is the largest cardiod, > putatively colored black on its inside (I forget all o'the details, since it's > been years since I've looked at it, again). the cardioid is the Galileo's > cycloid, and is easy to generate mechanically; I don't know what you mean by "non-anomaly" but if you tell FRACTINT to stop at 2 iterations (n=2) you get the perfect circle surrounding everything. With n=3 you see a bicycle seat shape inside the circle. With each additional iteration an interior shape is added, each one more curvy, morphing toward the "cardioid" with the "circle" on the left. By n=10 you can see where the neck between them will form. It is NEVER a smooth cycloid. Attached mini-mandelbrots stick out all around it. The "shore of the lake" is never smooth, it keeps getting longer the closer you look. I don't know what you asked Mandelbrot but I bet he misunderstood your question or you misunderstood his answer. At any rate floating point errors are NOT the cause of mini-mandelbrots. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:03:07 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Guess how many In-Reply-To: <003d01c1add6$cbff5740$d675d918@jb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- John Brawley wrote: > Hah! Game over: We Have a Winner! > > Guesses were: > > > > Dick Fischbeck : 400 > > > Tom Ace : 239 > > > John W. Rich : 218 > > > Frank Zubek : 256 > > > *! John Braley : a round 1000 > > Yes, John, an exact one thousand spheres are packed in > that image. How did you guess, John Braley? Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:06:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: surfaces MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nice picture of a non-stretch tetraverton balloon. Is it simple or compound curvature? (:0) http://www.southernballoonworks.com/tetrahedron.jpg Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:59:51 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: Re: [synergeo] re:testing Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Comments: cc: tverse@fluidiom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could have had the 1.7 megabyte original .BMP, but you're a day too late: John Braley guessed the same 1000, yesterday. Sorry. You must have used the formula?: Count across waist, double that, divide by Pi, divide by two, cube that, multiply by Pi and then by 4/3rds? (That would have gotten either you or John within a quite close estimate, but you'd then have had to sheer-guess that I didn't deliberately try to obfuscate by using 999, or 1003 or some such.... Good answers, both of you, and I *am* curious what methodology everyone who guessed, used. Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "lougeller2002" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:48 AM Subject: [synergeo] re:testing > I haven't read the latest posts so I'll hazard a guess--1000? > (based on some basic mathematics of the sphere)- if I'm right do I > get to keep the model? Lou ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:18:19 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: 20verton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian, here is a graph. What do you think? http://communities.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=85 Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:28:20 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: 20verton <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 05-FEB-2002 7:28 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us so -- do you expect me to inventory it, or to say if it actaully goes together, convexly? have you folded it "up," by now? thus quoth: Brian, here is a graph. What do you think? http://communities.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto &Phot oID=85 --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/clownsugarSkotsmagic.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:33:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: geodesic <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 05-FEB-2002 7:33 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us very funny! Nice picture of a non-stretch tetraverton balloon. Is it simple or compound curvature? (:0) http://www.southernballoonworks.com/ufo.jpg anyway, ** yours and your goofy nomenclature, "Dick," you silly troller! --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/clownsugarSkotsmagic.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:54:24 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: random close packing <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 05-FEB-2002 7:54 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us no-one really knows what any one saith, least of all me, myself and Brian!... seriously, that's justa mild ad-hominem you made, although trivially true-enough. the fact is that his answer was unequivocal, although he'd prepared to simply "beg the question" with an excuse on having a cold and *being* a Frog. he said, he tried it on "quadruple precision" but that it just "blew up!" (or, being an IBM Fellow, perhaps, he meant, "Bleu Oops" with the bleu-screen !-) that is actually what I'd tried to get the guy at Heinz-Pagel's lab at UCSC to do (the prof wasn't there), but he just blue me off, even over setting the hardware to single-precision, to see if there was any difference between them leaving it always on double-p. that was my sole experience with the "magnification" process, because although the math is interesting, it's not *that* interesting. I also found the IEEE *Conputer* article from '80, there in the library, that served as the specification, itself -- not that I had, or have, enough math to work it out, fully. the problem that you have found, by digging stalwartly into the friggin'manual, seems to be somewhat of an elision. I vaguely recall the "fast" algorithm, described probably in H-P et al's "coffee- table" book of hard computer-math, where overlapping circles are used to block-out the M-set, instead of iterating every pixel. of course, wouldn't this require some sort of new hypothesis? the point is that you may be able to determine, what in Hell *they* were thinking of, when they suppozed to "Cope with Integer Math;" presently, I'm completely uncunvinced, that they had much of a clue. thus quoth: A max zoom covers about 0.25% of the previous screen. At least two mini-mandelbrots are visible in the spike to the left after only 1 zoom (with bailout n=1500.) > the only plausible non-anomaly (but that is to be constrained by further > examination, and may be ultimately incorrect) is the largest cardiod, > putatively colored black on its inside (I forget all o'the details, since it's > been years since I've looked at it, again). the cardioid is the Galileo's > cycloid, and is easy to generate mechanically; I don't know what you mean by "non-anomaly" but if you tell FRACTINT to stop at 2 iterations (n=2) you get the perfect circle surrounding everything. With n=3 you see a bicycle seat shape inside the circle. With each additional iteration an interior shape is added, each one more curvy, morphing toward the "cardioid" with the "circle" on the left. By n=10 you can see where the neck between them will form. It is NEVER a smooth cycloid. Attached mini-mandelbrots stick out all around it. The "shore of the lake" is never smooth, it keeps getting longer the closer you look. I don't know what you asked Mandelbrot but I bet he misunderstood your question or you misunderstood his answer. At any rate floating point errors are NOT the cause of mini-mandelbrots. --les ducs d'Enron! >>http://quincy4board.homestead.com/clownsugarSkotsmagic.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:57:42 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: random close packing <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 05-FEB-2002 7:57 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us in simpler terms, is the equation used for simple shapes, V+F=E+2 neccesary of sufficient as a condition, or both (iff ?-) --les ducs d'Enron! > > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/clownsugarSkotsmagic.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:32:00 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Energy Per Capita vs Quality of Life Comments: To: "Meisen, Peter" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Peter, Please for give me for not replying sooner, but I wanted to do some = thinking first. Thank you so much for pointing out the paper "A model for the Quality of = Life as a Function of Electrical Energy Consumption": = http://www.geni.org/energy/issues/global/quality_of_life/QualityOfLifeVsE= nergyConsumption.html . Even though it is highly technical, I was able = to more or less understand it if I took it slowly (the graphics are a = little hard to read). I had seen it before, but never really tried to = read it; so I didn't realize what it really meant. I've always had two questions: 1) Is there really an inverse relationship between energy per capita & = birth rates? 2) And if so, exactly why? The above paper answers question #1 (plus I took Bucky's word for it in = _Critical Path_). A "Yes" answer to question #1 is enough for a person = to act. But I still have not found a scientific answer to question #2. The = birth rate goes down as the energy goes up--but why? A person can = speculate on all kinds of reasons why (which I have), such as watching = TV instead of making babies. But, to the best of my knowledge no one = has ever done a study of how people's behavior changes when they = suddenly get access to an increased amount of energy such as = electricity. Lacking an answer to question #2 doesn't prevent one from = acting, but it would be "nice" if there were a definitive study--but = it's not a high priority. PS: I find it "interesting" that the paper came out of Bangladesh--not = one of the industrialized countries, and in 1991. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:53:37 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Karl Hartig Photography Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Karl Hartig's EXCELLENT, professionally-taken color dome pics = collection: http://www.karlhartig.com/dome/dome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:10:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Lessons? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 06-FEB-2002 7:10 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Russ Nelson is a bit more voluble then most "Libertarians," who are hardly dystimguishable from libertines. as regards the UN, although FDR is considered such a horrible statist by youse-all, it was set-up largely against his dictates to such imperialists as Churchill; he'd never have allowed a) the Merchant Marine to reconstruct the Empires, post-WW2, and b) the current hegemon is largely as the League o'Nations was intended to be, that is, a "British condominium" through its working majority on the General Assembly, for the day-to-day legislation). thus quoth: 4) One of the clan leaders of the Habr Gidr owned a radio station which was broadcasting anti-UN sentiments. The UN sent in a squad of Pakistani soldiers to take over the station, cynically believing that Muslims would not kill Muslims. Didn't work that way. Twenty of them died. 5) This clan had a meeting a bit later. The US sent in an air cavalry to the hotel where the meeting was being held, and fired anti-tank (wire-guided TOW) missiles into the hotel room. Amazingly, not everyone was killed, but body parts went flying. This act made the US an enemy of all Somali people. 6) So when the US tried to kidnap the clan's military staff, several of our Black Hawk helicopters got shot down, and many people died; tens of Americans and hundreds of Somalis. --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:17:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Budget Would Cut Medicaid Payments <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 06-FEB-2002 7:17 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us here is a paraphrase, that may be wrong, of the LaRouche raison-d'etre for public education (and I go to schoolboard meetings in L.A., to get some of his curricular goals, addressed, in the longhaul): sexistly speaking, as mathematics is the Queen of the sciences,, political economy is the unnannounced (by Gauss) King. provincial attitudes can't be allowed to hold-sway over a nationalist historical accounting (and the current one is largely British, since the reforms of the "Chicago school" or neoliberal economists). thus quoth: Answer: all of them. So, okay, if you think that government provision of services is less efficient than private provision, why do you think American workers couldn't afford to pay less for schooling than we're paying now? the idea that everything can be done through contracts, as promoted by von Hayek et al. --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:45:14 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Budget Would Cut Medicaid Payments <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 06-FEB-2002 8:45 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us note that the one about "toxic dumps" is largely a shill of the EPA et al's "linear no-threshold" paradigm of at least 3 deacades use, the one that I've been fighting, up-hill, to get the horribly-needed Belmont Learning Center opened, downtown near City Hall, against the Greeniacs at my own (SM) City Hall -- and at the 'WAND' Corp. which is across the street (and 3-deep in the current US Cabinet !-) TEACHING STUDENTS HOW TO GIVE THE MAN WHAT HE WANTS "I want my kids to do well on our state test," teacher Ellen Berg writes. "I do not want my kids to do well on the test for me, their school, or the district, but for themselves. They are so beaten down under the opinions of people who have no understanding of the challenges they face, who believe they are lazy, stupid, or criminals." But as Ellen reviews some of her students' test results, she remarks: "I am frustrated because my students showed they understood the text completely, yet most of them did poorly on the assessment simply because they did not answer in a particular way. Now I am faced with spending valuable class time teaching them how to smile and nod and give 'the man' what he wants..." http://www.middleweb.com/mw/msdiaries/01-02wklydiaries/EB18.html SCHOOLS CANT BE RATED LIKE LAUNDRY DETERGENT In America, you can't be too rich, too thin or have too much data. But according to author and activist Alfie Kohn, the new fad of reducing schools to numbers isn't as sensible as it may seem. According to this brief article, testing is expensive, invites misleading comparisons, and equates improvements in student learning too closely with increased standardized test scores. http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20020122/3791792s.htm MOST VOUCHER SCHOOLS ARE RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS Virtually all Cleveland children who receive taxpayer-supported vouchers this school year use them to pay for tuition at religious schools, according to a new study. All but 25 of 4,202 voucher students--99.4 percent--attend a religious school, according to an analysis of the latest state figures. In 1996--the program's first year--about 77 percent attended religious schools. Voucher foes want to bring those figures to the attention of the U.S. Supreme Court, which hears arguments on it Feb. 20. Both sides describe the case as a potential landmark decision in church-state law. A ruling is expected in June. Some activists argue that the Cleveland program--the first to permit public dollars to go for a religious education--is unconstitutional because it is a public subsidy of religion and that the only real choice parents have is to send their child to a religious school. http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_st andar d.xsl?/base/cuyahoga/10118682162097748.xml PARENTS WAIT IN COLD TO REGISTER THEIR KIDS FOR PUBLIC SCHOOL Two dozen parents stood in line outside the District's only public bilingual elementary school yesterday afternoon--six days before the school was to begin accepting applications to enroll children who live outside the neighborhood. Several of the parents wore ski hats and parkas, and some had rented minivans so they would have a place to sleep. The campout at J.F. Oyster Bilingual Elementary has become an annual ritual, each year sparking complaints from parents and activists who say that the first-come, first-served system is unfair to those who cannot wait in line because of jobs and family obligations. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22061-2002Jan22.html MANY SCHOOLS BUILT NEAR TOXIC SITES Hundreds of thousands of children throughout the country are attending schools that were built on or near toxic waste sites, putting them at increased risk of developing asthma, cancer, learning disorders and other diseases linked to environmental pollutants, according to a new study. The report found that most states and public school systems lack environmental standards for selecting school construction sites. Instead, school projects are regulated only by local land-use laws, which the report called haphazard when it comes to evaluating environmental hazards. Consequently, the report said, many cash-strapped systems have opted to build on relatively cheap land on or near toxic waste sites. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11893-2002Jan20.html BUILDING CIVIC CAPACITY: THE POLITICS OF REFORMING URBAN SCHOOLS The authors of this interesting new book argue that urban education is in urgent need of reform and that, although there have been plenty of innovative and even promising attempts to improve conditions, most have been doomed. The reason for this, they agree, lies in the failure of our major cities to develop their "civic capacity"--the ability to build and maintain a broad social and political coalition across all sectors of the urban community in pursuit of a common goal. Conservative pundit, Chester E. Finn, Jr., argues in the linked review that broad consensus and civic participation are good ideas, but that real educational improvement will require communities to do more than build vague notions of consensus. http://www.edexcellence.net/gadfly/#reviews1 EDUCATION EXPERTS DIG IN ON TEST DATA The recently approved federal education law that requires an unprecedented amount of testing in U.S. schools leaves educators with a dilemma. How do they interpret the data fairly and in a way that sheds light on how a teacher's effectiveness impacts student achievement? The answer, say two experts is to take a nontraditional approach to evaluating test data called "value-added assessment." The tool generally allows educators to analyze individual student scores over a period of time, paying close attention to the amount of growth in their test scores. That growth is important because while a school's raw scores may be low, its staff may be doing a good job of taking students who come to them at low achievement levels and moving them forward. http://www.freep.com/news/education/nvalue18_20020118.htm HIGH SCHOOL AT ATTENTION In Chicago and across the country, educators are taking a controversial new step. Their aim: to bring order to dangerous, unruly public schools and coherence to chaotic lives. The experiment: military rule. Does the military model lead to quality learning, discipline, and self-respect? Or does it lead kids into the military and away from college? http://www.msnbc.com/news/686928.asp --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/KNUschools.html --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/KNUschools.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:14:04 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: 213 Comments: To: tverse@fluidiom.com, Synergeo , geometry@fluidiom.com Comments: cc: dick0611@juno.com, Steve Waterman , "Yelwarb@aol.com" , Jessie , Joe Terry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tverse packing engine runs 8,900 cycles all night long jiggling 213, spends hour giving birth to 2.36 megabyte rendering, complexity scares own author half to death; (story at eleven). For the fun of it, pardon the image file size.... http://tetrahedraverse.com/tverse/2L_213_pg.gif (800x600, 175kb) (I gotta get better control over which cylinders get rendered and why....) Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 06:15:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: news <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 07-FEB-2002 6:15 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us --The (ab-) Original Goth: Don Jrrt's Rhodesians, the "Exponents!" http://quincy4board.homestead.com/clownsugarSkotsmagic.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:38:24 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Geodesic Math and How to Use It Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kenner's _Geodesic Math & How to Use It_=20 is up for bid at eBay right now for $50!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1511463289 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:54:44 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: SSEarth Planning Doc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BFI's original (11-14-00) planning document for the Spaceship Earth = website: http://www.spaceshipearth.org/ABOUTSE/SEO_treatment.pdf =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:34:30 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Pictures of Buckminster Fuller, Photographs, Images, Photos Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 82 color pics of Bucky Fuller at Photovault. includes portraits, domes, = etc: http://www.photovault.com/Link/People/o/Fuller/POFVolume01.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:39:03 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: John Brawley Subject: 999 Comments: To: tverse@fluidiom.com, Kirby Urner Comments: cc: Synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tverse engine ran all night packing 999 pionts(spheres). Racked up 180,000-plus iterations of the calculation loop. Object created has regularities I can see in Graph3D, but since it took nearly five minutes to write out a * 4.2 megabyte * PovRay scene file, I haven't tried to run it in PovRay yet. (I have no reason to think PovRay won't handle it; I'm just apprehensive about trying to.) Meantime, for all you who seem interested in simply either viewing or using "raw"-coordinates, the below links to the Graph3d.exe 3D-stereo viewing freeware program I've always used to look at my program's output. I suggest a look; it's a pretty slick little program that does only one thing very well. (The 51kb file I just made with the 999-sphere run for this program must have 999 lines of x,y,z coordinates in it. I saved the 'before' and 'after' versions of the 999- sphere run, and you can have them for the asking.) http://www.ziplink.net/~rhart2/3DGraph.html No image today (yet); I'm askeert to run it.... Peace JB jgbrawley@earthlink.net http://tetrahedraverse.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:28:10 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: SSEarth Planning Doc <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 08-FEB-2002 10:28 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us so, did I miss it, or should we blame you, Jim, for not telling us about this "Prepared for Advisor Review and Comment?" anywawy, was this done in view of Spaceshipearth.org, which is linked to my http://quincy4board.homestead.com/MiltonAcademy.html ?? thus quoth: BFI's original (11-14-00) planning document for the Spaceship Earth = website: http://www.spaceshipearth.org/ABOUTSE/SEO_treatment.pdf --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:38:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] *Trading Democracy?* documents on the web <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 08-FEB-2002 10:38 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us this is so sickening, re Methanex Corp. and its big sister, ADM -- Supermarket to Spaceship Earth (tm) ?? I'd only just-yesterday read that MtBE makes water taste like "turpentine" in ver small amounts, not that that'd kill you (there seems to be some dyspute on that). of course, the Bush EPA is playing both sides for the controversy, mandating California to use either MtBE or ethanol (from ADM et al; apparently, MtBE is outsourced to a specialized company or three, although its raw material is methane). pointing-out what I've been trying to point-out, for years, is today's NYTimes article on Yucca Flats, mooting the fact that the EPA's "linear no-threshold" is just a bad, old assumption, unproven as to " science," and that applies to virtually *all* of these things (ozone, pesticides, what ever). thus quoth: The National Security Archive is posting today on the Web internal documents from the NAFTA secret tribunals that were obtained by the Moyers team, led by producer Sherry Jones. The documents consist of legal briefs, witness statements, and actual rulings from two of the three cases that are explored in tonight's broadcast. The cases examined in the documentary include a pending $970 million claim filed by a Canadian company called Methanex against the U.S., a successful claim brought by the American company Metalclad against the Mexican government in a dispute over a toxic waste dump (Mexico was compelled to pay $16 million to Metalclad), and the first Chapter 11 case brought by a company dissatisfied with the verdict of an American jury (Loewen v. U.S.). The Moyers team obtained the Loewen documents through a Freedom of Information Act request to the Civil Division of the U.S. Department of Justice, while the government of Mexico and the Metalclad Corporation each voluntarily provided their respective filings. The complete transcript of "Trading Democracy" is also reproduced with permission of the program producer: Public Affairs Television in association with Washington Media Associates - together with five streaming video excerpts and today's press release describing the documentary. The documents, transcript and video clips are available at the following URL: http://www.nsarchive.org/NSAEBB/NSAEBB65 --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:40:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Libertarian Haven? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 08-FEB-2002 10:40 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us yeah, we all no how important that is to have, driving your SUV around! What do you know about Somalia? What you read in the papers? Somalia has the lowest cost cellphones on the entire continent of Africa. --les ducs d'Enron! >>http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 04:24:11 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] *Trading Democracy?* documents on the web <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 09-FEB-2002 4:24 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I'm interested in "anti-environmental science;" like, what in Hell is it?... you could say that I was an anti-environ-mentalist (scientist?), but that doesn't mean that I don't fall down & prostate myself to The Economist -- or any other girl, about this time o'year (a-hem; Karen !-) seriously, it'll be interesting to see, what the Enroniacs were doing outside o'the USA, that was enabled by the sovereignity-bashing NAFTA (treaty) -- and remember, we were edged into this with the preceding Canadian swindle o'CAFTA (although most of youse-all tend to think of US as the bully, of course, forgetting That Economist who's sovereign o'er our border-hugging neighbors; I'm sure, often, She thanks God (Herself, that is) that Lincoln was shot, before he could free Canada from Ye Olde Colonial Yoke !-) --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 05:11:56 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Libertarian Haven? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 09-FEB-2002 5:11 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us monsieur Nelson, I'd appreciate it if you'd (dans la futeur) reveal your association with the local telephone mafia o'Somalia; thank you!... seriously, as every century "turns" at least twice, I have to ascertain that you meant Jan.1st, 1901 was your benchmark for rural phone service, but we must also note that Astor's NYC slums were not exactly pre- built for ready cable-service of any kind (electricity, perhaps?), and that the Chase-Manhattan water service had to be municipalized, after a few bouts of cholera. I wish it were true, that cellphone nets could provide the ultimate leverage against the grain cartels, but I am rather dubious of this idea, for now, or in any long-run; that is why we have nations, that use protectionism (not a bad word, for the Founding Parental Units, or at least, the day-carrying Federalists of the Con-con). thus quoth: bring their crops to market. The entrepreneurs make money, the women make money, and the farmers make money. Everybody wins. That's what free markets are all about. Not to mention the fact that in Somalia, the roads are so poor that you MUST have an SUV to get around outside of a city; typically a Toyota Land Cruiser. Remember, at the turn of the century (not THIS one, THAT one!), there were more telephones in Iowa than in New York City. Why? Because transportation between farms was so much worse than in New York City. At that time, New York City's post offices were connected via pneumatic tubes, so that a letter could be dropped off in one office, and delivered in the next office in a matter of hey, my mom's hospital has one o'those, and I've seen it working, in the past. if it weren't for that 100% America Value of Lovin'Money, it would never ha'been ... oh, and that old Hospital Act of '56, I think it was. yes, England may assuredly not be "worth dyin'for," but Great and Holy Britain is another story, altogether (viz, the British East India Co.; *that* story). thus quoth: >>between the Socialist Party and the prospective Tory candidate for Cardiff >>Central on the truly flesh-crawling topic: "Is Britain Worth Dying For?" >> >>As an exposition of how the economic conflicts of capitalism and the boss >>class are the true cause of war and death on an ever-increasing scale and >>of the socialist alternative to this sick system, even this was extremely thus quoth: who have brought up the issues of how "globalization", as it is currently being inplemented, haarms democracy. Chapter 11 of NAFTA and the WTO's (also secret) dispute tribunals were designed specifically by interested paties to allow corporations to circumvent laws and regulations that harmed their bottom line. I have been pointing this out to you several times over --Doth da Kween Keep Kosher? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/K.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:52:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: "Joe S. Moore" Subject: Re: Bucky Comments: To: wilsonpools@ultrasw.com Comments: cc: DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html

Hey Jay,

What are you doing rooting around in the Bucky patch?  If you don't be careful, you might get hooked like me! 

Yeh, I got Hoberman on my website; see: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/DomeManuf-H.htm

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Joe  S. Moore                               Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute

joe_s_moore@hotmail.com            http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/

>From: "Jay Miles Wilson"
>Reply-To: "Jay Miles Wilson"
>To: "Joe S. Moore"
>Subject: Bucky
>Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:31:01 -0700
>
>Hi Joe, Check this out, just in case you have not hit on this before.
> http://www.thirteen.org/bucky/hobermanwf.html
> ........................ jay

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========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:51:22 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] How Our President looks from Canada <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 10-FEB-2002 9:51 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, shag me with a spoon! unfortunately I deleted the rest of this, before I could read it, but I have to expect (in general, coming from a British paper) that it tends to conform to the Orwellian subtext, that goes, "Hey, George; let's you and Them fight," said Prime Minister Tony and the Blair Witch Projekt. thus quoth: The war against terrorism is a brilliant construct. It may not have been started by George W. Bush, but it certainly works to his advantage. It has provided oomph to the sagging U.S. economy and a new raison d'etre for the alliance of politicos, defence contractors and security specialists who make up what former U.S. president Dwight Eisenhower christened the military-industrial complex. ah, so; does that explain why there's a supposed heat between The Lord of the Rings, A British production, and A Beautiful Mind, about the game-theory that is used in these scenarios (at least it is, even if the movie doesn't notice it; the last place that the guy worked, before being busted for Mens Room allegations, was the 'WAND' Corp.; I wonder, what he'd have had to say about its use, otherwise) ?? I mean, in the American Academy Awards for Best Picture. --A Beautiful Hiney! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:58:01 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Buckminster Fuller General Question Comments: To: Round12345@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Michael, I am delighted that you were able to look at my third (?) attempt to get Bucky's ideas out into the world. I did a floppy disk first & then a videotape second--if I remember right. Things have evolved quite a bit since! To answer your 2nd question--unfortunately, no. To the best of my knowledge, there are no online Bucky-related courses. The "Selected Ideas" section of my website is the closest there is for now. (BTW, it is an internet version of my booklet, _Basic Bucky_, that you read. See: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/1Idea.htm) Take a look at this page: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Corq-Cq.htm (Scroll down to "Courses"). Arthur Loeb used to teach a Design Science course at Harvard--but that's only for the privileged few. Hopefully, in the not-too-distant future there will be online courses for people interested in Fuller's work. Wouldn't it be something if a person could someday get a degree in Design Science over the internet! ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: Buckminster Fuller General Question > Joe: > > I appreciate all the great information you provide, from the geodesic list > serve to the BFI to the book you published about 10 years ago (I was able to > read this via inter-library loan!) > > Let me throw out a context: we have the dome, the dymaxion car and house, the > map, Spaceship earth and the presentation and understanding of materials, > people, geography, and the interconnectedness of practically everything, the > emphasis on the tetrahedron, etc. > > We also have an incredibly in-depth publication, Synergetics, and a > dedication to Coxeter. > > I have been asking myself: What is the relationship of all these things? > What has Coxeter to do with the Dymaxion Map to the concept of Spaceship > Earth? > > The answer, I believe, is they all attempt to recognize and solve problems > properly. > This, I believe, is the meaning of Comprehensive Anticipatory Design Science. > > Supposing this true, is CADS taught anywhere, either formally or informally, > on-site or distance-learning, ..., ANYWHERE? > > Your thoughts would be appreciated. > > Again, thanks. > > Michael Round > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:00:25 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Hoppi Subject: Bucky Pictures for Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just found these on the web for anyone interested: http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookDetails?bi=92424050 -Reginald ================================================== Little round planet In a big universe Sometimes it looks blessed Sometimes it looks cursed Depends on what you look at obviously But even more it depends on the way that you see -Bruce Cockburn: Child of the Wind ================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:45:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Two urls of interest: <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 11-FEB-2002 5:45 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us it makes me want to hurl on the screen, every time that some well-meaning rightist (or leftist) tries to equate the well-being of a few supranational (and largely British) corporations, which effectively cartelize the oil of OPEC, as well, with some nebulous nationality that is brand-named, "It's just U.S.!" and *that* is trademarked (by me) as, The Rectal Dysplay Unit! thus quoth: Is the Drug war in Colombia really another US War for oil? Pipeline protection would ratchet up U.S. involvement in Colombia's power struggle between Marxist rebels, ultra-right paramilitary groups, and the government. U.S. officials called the request a part of a broad effort to foster democracy and order in the troubled nation. Los Angeles Times, Ruth Morris, 06 Feb 2002 The following may link to chapters from the book. THE CHEATING OF AMERICA, a book by Charles Lewis, Bill Allison, and the Center for Public Integrity (Harperperennial Library), takes a hard look at this tax-shirking epidemic and reports that the IRS is decreasing enforcement and prosecution. http://www.tompaine.com/op_ads/opad.cfm?ID=5060 --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:24:58 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Vision TV's "Insight" <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 11-FEB-2002 6:24 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us thus quoth: A brief correction. The Toronto Star is a Canadian not a British Newspaper. what ever your category for this paper, politically, it should not befall the hearsay of most Canadians (I've met), who seem to not know that there sovereign is named, Betty Dos. they'll give you this amazing crap about how "the Constitution was repatriated from Buckingham Palace by Trudeau," as if the transport of a document has any legal standing, in and of itself; does it, in some weird quirk of Common Law? yes, Betty can (and has, in the '80s) boot-out your (unlisenced or not) elected office-holders, and that is that (of course, it will be done by a local representative, and very officiously, after a meeting with the Privy Councillors; I mean, The Economist's Representative -- worship Her !-) as for the idea about a full-up 747's-worth of kerosene, not being able to destroy a tall, rather lightweight building, please note that, not only was there plenty to burn in side of it, including the stell if it could get hot-enough to ignite. also, the planned-for asbestos cladding on the structural beams, was only installed on the first few floors, because of a little problem at Lloyd's (of "the City," Earth's most-exclusive gated community & government). but, yes, I do agree about the lack of "scrambling" by the Air Force, and there hasn't even been a courtmartial for that officer! a-ha. so, the same reason as why states are (or should) be allowed to control their polling (and why we have the Electoral College etc., as much as it failed in the last presidential election), is why, we cannot impose licensing upon would-be politicians; I'd never make it! http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com http://www.corpwatch.org/search/PSR.jsp http://www.dyncorp.com/news/wbj20011029.htm http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=105&STORY=/www/story/11-12 -97/357925 http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=105&STORY=/www/story/07-20 -1999/0000985529 http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=105&STORY=/www/story/06-09 -1999/0000959876 http://www.dyncorp.com/dynspace ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:16:06 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Conspiracy theories <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 13-FEB-2002 8:16 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, what is the ultimate conspiracy? [see, below] thus quoth: > "promote the general welfare" Could you cite some of the founder's words to support this well, mister Nelson, I suppose that the Federalist Papers are an anethema to the big "L" party or philosophes; eh?... then, there's Lincoln, the Clay bros., and so on. I wish that I *could* cite them, but I recommend the archives of The New Federalist weekly: http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/ speaking of Lincoln et al assassinated presidents, the conspiracy against him, at the least, was shown at trial, after which four of the conspirators were hanged (JWB had a slushfund from a Toronto bank, that is, British); as for the rest, I'm sure you can find supportinf "theories" and evidence for some, in the above reference. as the literal meaning is "breeathing together," it's the atmosphere! --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:16:27 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: The Weather? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 13-FEB-2002 14:16 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Homestead doesn't seem to allow for many of the common formats, to wit the one that allowed me to scan microform NYT weather pages, but maybe you can open them: http://www.homestead.com/_ksi0701961494955693/quincy4board/files/NYTjan202 weather.tif http://www.homestead.com/_ksi0701961494954366/quincy4board/files/NYTjan402 weather.tif there were two others that didn't make it. also, I hate to promote *Nature*, when the issue after has such a weird feature, but see the 7th of February on Antarctica! --les ducs d'Enron! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:53:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Mite is not quark. Comments: To: Cliff Nelson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cliff, See section 1052.360:=20 http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s10/p5000.html#1052.360 Especially 1052.363: "The mites are the quarks." And plate 17: = http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/figs/plate17.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cliff Nelson=20 To: joemoore@cruzio.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: Mite is not quark. Joe, http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetNatureQuark.htm contradicts Synergetics:=20 986.454 We then discover that the Mite, with its two energy-conserving = A Quanta Modules and its one energy-dispersing B Quanta Module (for a = total combined volume of three quanta modules), serves as the cosmic = minimum allspace-filler, corresponding elegantly (in all ways) with the = minimum-limit case behaviors of the nuclear physics' quarks. The quarks = are the smallest discovered "particles"; they always occur in groups of = three, two of which hold their energy and one of which disperses energy. = This quite clearly identifies the quarks with the quanta module of which = all the synergetics hierarchy of nuclear concentric symmetric polyhedra = are co-occurrent.=20 -- So, The A and B Quanta Modules are quarks. Cliff Nelson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:45:33 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Mite is not quark. <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 14-FEB-2002 8:45 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I couldn't find _S_ 1052.360, as your reference jumps from 1052.87 to 1053!... I did recognize the plate, though, and Cliff-baby seems to be correct -- and it probably is true, in some way -- that the A and B mods are akin to the quarks (which always come in threes !-) thus quoth: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetNatureQuark.htm contradicts Synergetics:=20 986.454 We then discover that the Mite, with its two energy-conserving = A Quanta Modules and its one energy-dispersing B Quanta Module (for a = total combined volume of three quanta modules), serves as the cosmic = minimum allspace-filler, corresponding elegantly (in all ways) with the = minimum-limit case behaviors of the nuclear physics' quarks. The quarks = are the smallest discovered "particles"; they always occur in groups of = three, two of which hold their energy and one of which disperses energy. = This quite clearly identifies the quarks with the quanta module of which = all the synergetics hierarchy of nuclear concentric symmetric polyhedra = are co-occurrent.=20 -- So, The A and B Quanta Modules are quarks. great diagram, with teh centers o'gravity, though! --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:12:43 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Mite is not quark. In-Reply-To: <200202141645.g1EGjX306886@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings > 14-FEB-2002 8:45 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > I couldn't find _S_ 1052.360, as your reference jumps > from 1052.87 to 1053!... I did recognize the plate, > though, and Cliff-baby seems to be correct > -- and it probably is true, in some way -- > that the A and B mods are akin to the quarks > (which always come in threes !-) Are you saying ther are twice as many A modules as B models? > > thus quoth: > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetNatureQuark.htm > contradicts Synergetics:=20 > > 986.454 We then discover that the Mite, with its two > energy-conserving > = > A Quanta Modules and its one energy-dispersing B Quanta > Module (for a = > total combined volume of three quanta modules), serves > as the cosmic = > minimum allspace-filler, corresponding elegantly (in > all ways) with the = > minimum-limit case behaviors of the nuclear physics' > quarks. The quarks = > are the smallest discovered "particles"; they always > occur in groups of = > three, two of which hold their energy and one of which > disperses energy. > = > This quite clearly identifies the quarks with the > quanta module of which > = > all the synergetics hierarchy of nuclear concentric > symmetric polyhedra = > are co-occurrent.=20 > -- > So, The A and B Quanta Modules are quarks. > > great diagram, with teh centers o'gravity, though! > > --les ducs d'Enron! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:24:41 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Mite is not quark. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A MIinimum TEtrahedron (MITE) is an all-space filler composed of 2 A modules & 1 B. There can be various combinations of + and - As & + and - Bs, but it is always 2 As & 1 B. The MITE is the model for a quark. Quarks have 3 subcomponents. See: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetNatureQuark.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Fischbeck" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Mite is not quark. > --- Brian Hutchings > wrote: > > <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings > > 14-FEB-2002 8:45 > > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > > > I couldn't find _S_ 1052.360, as your reference jumps > > from 1052.87 to 1053!... I did recognize the plate, > > though, and Cliff-baby seems to be correct > > -- and it probably is true, in some way -- > > that the A and B mods are akin to the quarks > > (which always come in threes !-) > > Are you saying ther are twice as many A modules as B > models? > > > > > > thus quoth: > > > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetNatureQuark.htm > > contradicts Synergetics:=20 > > > > 986.454 We then discover that the Mite, with its two > > energy-conserving > > = > > A Quanta Modules and its one energy-dispersing B Quanta > > Module (for a = > > total combined volume of three quanta modules), serves > > as the cosmic = > > minimum allspace-filler, corresponding elegantly (in > > all ways) with the = > > minimum-limit case behaviors of the nuclear physics' > > quarks. The quarks = > > are the smallest discovered "particles"; they always > > occur in groups of = > > three, two of which hold their energy and one of which > > disperses energy. > > = > > This quite clearly identifies the quarks with the > > quanta module of which > > = > > all the synergetics hierarchy of nuclear concentric > > symmetric polyhedra = > > are co-occurrent.=20 > > -- > > So, The A and B Quanta Modules are quarks. > > > > great diagram, with teh centers o'gravity, though! > > > > --les ducs d'Enron! > > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/1007knights.html > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:05:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Mite is not quark. <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 14-FEB-2002 14:05 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Jim, we can read that stuff. if _S_ was written when the "standard model" pf particle-stuff was around, if newly, then perhaps RBF *meant* to say, what Cliff has just annunciated (ennunciated?). not that I know what it means, but the apparent unseparability of 3 quarks is old fodder of the pop-sci dyscipline (and they don't even mention it, as much, nowadays). whether it's actually relavent, most parsimonious, or what ever, we don't know. (when RBF saith "+ and -," he meant mirror-images or, as usually expressed, left & right; the chopping of the octahedral "orthoscheme" into two, although it does give an A and a B of equal volumes, may need to be associated with other "mite-o-dynamics," considering that the B-mod no-longer has 4 right angles, as the orthoschemes do.) everyone say, "I'm a pop-sci dysciplinarian!" if you want to, boys'n'girls. A MIinimum TEtrahedron (MITE) is an all-space filler composed of 2 A modules & 1 B. There can be various combinations of + and - As & + and - Bs, but it is always 2 As & 1 B. The MITE is the model for a quark. Quarks have 3 subcomponents. See: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetNatureQuark.htm thus saith: I couldn't find _S_ 1052.360, as your reference jumps from 1052.87 to 1053!... I did recognize the plate, though, and Cliff-baby seems to be correct -- and it probably is true, in some way -- that the A and B mods are akin to the quarks (which always come in threes !-) thus quoth: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetNatureQuark.htm contradicts Synergetics:=20 986.454 We then discover that the Mite, with its two energy-conserving --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:45:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: .. Starnet SlideShow .. Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Biosphere 2 slideshow (2 domes, huge octet truss greenhouse): = http://regulus.azstarnet.com/slideshow/slideshow.php?slideshow_id=3D194&s= lide_id=3Dbegin =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:04:44 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Bonnifield Subject: Re: Mite is not quark. Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit 986.422 says a positive Mite consists of A+ A- B+ and a negative Mite consists of A+ A- B- . I don't see how to relate that to quarks, which come in 6 "flavors" (up, down, strange, charm, top, bottom) and 3 "colors" (red, blue, yellow), along with their 18 anti-quarks. I'm not aware of any reason to say some quarks "preserve" energy and others "disperse" energy. Baryons consist of 3 quarks, eg a proton consists of u u d , and a neutron consists of u d d. I don't think there is any baryon like u u- d or u u- d-; if there is, it would have a fractional charge. Quarks don't always come in threes. Mesons consist of 1 quark and 1 anti quark , eg u u- or u d- . Leptons (eg electron) are elementary, they don't consist of quarks. ---------- >From: Joe S Moore >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >Subject: Re: Mite is not quark. >Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2002, 1:53 AM > > Cliff, > > See section 1052.360: > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s10/p5000.html#1052.360 > > Especially 1052.363: "The mites are the quarks." > > And plate 17: http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/figs/plate17.html > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cliff Nelson > To: joemoore@cruzio.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:43 AM > Subject: Mite is not quark. > > > Joe, > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetNatureQuark.htm > contradicts Synergetics: > > 986.454 We then discover that the Mite, with its two energy-conserving A > Quanta Modules and its one energy-dispersing B Quanta Module (for a total > combined volume of three quanta modules), serves as the cosmic minimum > allspace-filler, corresponding elegantly (in all ways) with the > minimum-limit case behaviors of the nuclear physics' quarks. The quarks are > the smallest discovered "particles"; they always occur in groups of three, > two of which hold their energy and one of which disperses energy. This > quite clearly identifies the quarks with the quanta module of which all the > synergetics hierarchy of nuclear concentric symmetric polyhedra are co-occurrent. > -- > So, The A and B Quanta Modules are quarks. > > Cliff Nelson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:17:58 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Desk-Lamp Domes Comments: To: john_moon@geodesics-unlimited.com Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, Just curious: Do you sell a line of desk-lamp domes? If so, could you = send me a list of styles & prices (in US dollars) including shipping? Ref: http://www.geodesics-unlimited.com/page10.html PS: Love your revised website. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:49:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: REINKE SHAKES INC. -- GEODESIC DOMES Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Domes covered with metal shingles: http://www.reinkeshakes.com/geodesic.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:21:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Montessori / Fuller Comments: To: Round12345@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, Thanks. I love the image of a cube "melting". ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: Montessori / Fuller > Joe: > > You might like this site ... I put this story on a Montessori discussion > forum, and this site asked if they could use it. I was using the "Roger's > Connection" magnet set I found on the Fuller site. > > http://home.neo.rr.com/larrow/Testimonial%20Wall.htm > > Mike Round > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:25:06 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Re: Desk-Lamp Domes Comments: To: John Moon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John, I'm a little too old to be starting a new business. I just wanted to = add the info to my "Master Index". PS: What is the name of the town you live in? I'm not used to reading = British addresses. Very confusing. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Moon=20 To: Joe S Moore=20 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 7:06 AM Subject: Re: Desk-Lamp Domes Hi Joe, Planned next project. Thanks for the feed-back. Interested in being = a US agent for these lamps when they are available? John Moon, Geodesics Unlimited. Sparrow's Castle, Atlow Moat, Atlow, Ashbourne, Derbyshire, DE6 1NS, = UK. Tel: 01335 370661 Fax: 01335 372813 e-mail: john_moon@geodesics-unlimited.com web-site: www.geodesics-unlimited.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe S Moore=20 To: john_moon@geodesics-unlimited.com=20 Cc: List, The Geodesic ; List, The DomeHome=20 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:17 AM Subject: Desk-Lamp Domes John, Just curious: Do you sell a line of desk-lamp domes? If so, could = you send me a list of styles & prices (in US dollars) including = shipping? Ref: http://www.geodesics-unlimited.com/page10.html PS: Love your revised website. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:24:04 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: REINKE SHAKES INC. -- GEODESIC DOMES In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Domes covered with metal shingles: > > http://www.reinkeshakes.com/geodesic.htm > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= Wow! Not only do these shingles pretend to be wood, they also pretend they are attached to a box house! I love a metal exterior sometimes but there are WAY more inventive ways to do this! I think this is so ugly! Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:48:03 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Re: Mite is not quark. <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 15-FEB-2002 10:48 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us ah, so; were you referring to *my* "crackpotscientist phase," or to Bucky's?... hey, I resemble that remark! seriously, although it is apparently only baryons (thank you, Other Particle-physicist Dude) that have the "threeness" of Bucky's Mite (which is rather skimpy, in some way), I don't see how you can make such a declaration, when it's essentially grouptheroetical -- the very *raison d'etre* of a lot of this stuff, going back to what's-her-name ... Ellie Noether! thus quoth: I hope this was intended as a joke. That homepage is a classic example of crackpot science. Will have to keep the bookmark with the others; we get one of these every week or two. Thanks! Don Groom Particle Data Group, Lawrence Berkeley Nat'l Lab --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/MiltonAcademy.html PS: Dan, please check-out my pseudo-Bucky site. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:38:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Energy Chips Comments: To: info@osearth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable osEarth, Inc New Haven, CT, USA Gentlemen, Re your energy chips, do you distinguish between renewable & = nonrenewable types of energy? Can the participants invest in renewable energy? Do you gradually withdraw the nonrenewable chips as the game progresses? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 07:37:06 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: REINKE SHAKES INC. -- GEODESIC DOMES <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-FEB-2002 7:37 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us yo, "Dick;" that's what I thought, almost! thus quoth: Wow! Not only do these shingles pretend to be wood, they also pretend they are attached to a box house! I love a metal exterior sometimes but there are WAY more inventive ways to do this! I think this is so ugly! http://www.reinkeshakes.com/geodesic.htm --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 07:42:29 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Energy Chips <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-FEB-2002 7:42 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Gentleman, Do you have a patented process for "fossilizing" hyrocarbons? Not that I can think of any thing that it'd be good for, yet! thus quoth: Do you gradually withdraw the nonrenewable chips as the game progresses? --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/MiltonAcademy.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:08:18 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Some analysis of Bush's proposal <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-FEB-2002 8:08 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us just as we are treated by the Village Voice's expose on CanWest, with absolutely no mention of Sir Conrad's, Dame Maggie's, Sir Henry's and Zbiggie Brszinski's coompany, that owns 379 papers, mostly in Canada and the US South, and which has been heretofore a British propoganda machine ... so, two, are we treated with the two-faced Administration's policy, which is actually conforming with flying colors (the Union Jack's, with the same rotational symmetry as the Nazi flag's; hm). that is to say, the announcement of the emmissions-trading schema was greeted, according to the Financial Times, with a flurry of trading in SO2 etc., since they were so happy to see that it conforms with *their* standards. so, is it in your paper, as it was in the FT, that former "Fed" Chair Paul V., asked for funds from Enron, for the International Financial Accounting Standards Board? (the "Phedral Rezurv" is modelled upon the Federal reserve, of England, and is not constitutional, being a bankers cartel.) thus quoth: Ersatz Climate Policy February 15, 2002 By PAUL KRUGMAN The Bush administration is offering the illusion of environmentalism. --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:15:13 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] transcripts, enron, media concentration <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-FEB-2002 8:15 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us oops; I meant to add that the Administration's energy policy is conforming with flying colors TO THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF KYOTO (sik !-) and, if you think that "bankers" or "intl.bankers' is a code for "das Juden," just read the classic, _None Dare Call It ***********_, which draws the dystinction, very nicely, with a large Venn diagram. thus saith: >just as we are treated by the Village Voice's expose on CanWest, >with absolutely no mention of Sir Conrad's, Dame Maggie's, >Sir Henry's and Zbiggie Brszinski's coompany, >that owns 379 papers, mostly in Canada and the US South, and >which has been heretofore a British propoganda machine ... so, two, >are we treated with the two-faced Administration's policy, >which is actually conforming with flying colors (the Union Jack's, >with the same rotational symmetry as the Nazi flag's; hm). > that is to say, >the announcement of the emmissions-trading schema was greeted, >according to the Financial Times, >with a flurry of trading in SO2 etc., since they were so happy >to see that it conforms with *their* standards. so, >is it in your paper, as it was in the FT, that >former "Fed" Chair Paul V., asked for funds from Enron, >for the International Financial Accounting Standards Board? >(the "Phedral Rezurv" is modelled upon the Federal reserve, >of England, and is not constitutional, being a bankers cartel.) > >thus quoth: 3. Media Concentration. It is now world wide. We can find a lot on this on the Nation site. In addition see the following article. Media spat: profit vs. free speech Canada's largest newspaper owner accused of suppressing diverse opinion in its papers. By Tavia Grant http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0215/p06s01-woam.html --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:33:25 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: eBay item 1515645458 (Ends Feb-24-02 014134 PST ) - GEODESIC MATH and HOW TO US Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geodesic Math & How to Use It up for auction right now on = eBay!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1515645458 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:05:22 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Articles on Arms: <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 17-FEB-2002 8:05 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us mister C. is a part of the "continuity o'goment" folks, I guess, with his so-called Republicanism a matter of debate (I don't know anything about'im, but the following). when Ike said that (after two terms?), the Mic was already well in hand, policywise, of the 'WAND' Corp., of which mister C. is a director (along with ultrarecent ones, Rice, Sir Brent, Phedchair Paul V., Chairman Paul O'N., and the other eludes me, for now). in "The Beautiful Hiney (sik)" book, no mention is made of the oroginating part of the merged entity of McD.-D., out of which it was spun-out as planned; it is only known as "Douglas Aircraft!" thus quoth: The "military-industrial complex" that General Eisenhower warned of presents potential political landmines for any administration. For example, many former Republican officials and political associates of those now in the Bush administration are associated with the Carlyle Group, an equity investment firm with billions of dollars in military and aerospace assets. Chairman of the group is Frank Carlucci, secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration and a close friend of Mr. Rumsfeld. Others who work for oh, yeah; that's the guy. --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:59:57 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Bucky Video at OasisTV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Three minute color video clip of R Buckminster Fuller discussing global = atomic warfare using his Big Map and 50,000 red poker chips: http://www.oasistv.com/screeningroom/world/index.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:39:09 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Bucky Video at OasisTV <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 19-FEB-2002 6:39 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us what?... he should be hung for treason, or even tried! oh, wait; I already ruined my effigy. nevermind. thus quoth: atomic warfare using his Big Map and 50,000 red poker chips: http://www.oasistv.com/screeningroom/world/index.html --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:03:12 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] AAAS reports <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 19-FEB-2002 7:03 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us it's not quite as propogandistic as Nude Scientist, but the IPCC has never had a conceptual model, only these impossible simulacra. impossible, to my mind, because I have not been imparted with the reasoning for the heuristics of making such a "model," really work. for instance, the article in Feb.7's *Nature*, which is all Americans, or folks at US institutions, at any rate, completely questions the idea that Antarctica is melting (as I've suggested, how could increased calving of glaciers be shown to be going either way?) thus quoth: Local climate disruptions are just as pressing as the long-term effects of global warming, argues Rosenfeld. "We should give similar priority to what is happening to climate in our generation," he says. and HIGH-WATER MARK Bleak forecast for sea level in 2100. http://www.nature.com/nsu/020218/020218-5.html Sea level could rise by up to 30 centimetres (1 foot--this is for a less than maximum temperature change) over the next century, a new estimate predicts. That's almost twice as much as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projected last year. ... Swelling seawater and melting ice exceed the forecasts of current global-warming models, baffling scientists. Meier believes that some areas become increasingly temperature-sensitive as it gets warmer. His calculations, unlike the IPCC's, take into account melting glaciers in ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:30:59 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] AAAS reports <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 19-FEB-2002 13:30 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us eh, "true," What? could you, please, define your terminology of fossilization?... at this rate, you'll probably make one before I get a reply from the geophysicists at Conoco! anyway, the first part of the quote from the climate pieces, I do not dyspute, at all; it's my whole thesis! thus quoth: True, because they have dumped millions and billions of years of fossil fuels on the ground, into the air and imbedded into a greed-soaked thus quoth: Local climate disruptions are just as pressing as the long-term effects of global warming, argues Rosenfeld. "We should give similar priority to what is happening to climate in our generation," he says. well, more so. --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:11:13 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: PEN Weekly NewsBlast for February 15, 2002 <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 20-FEB-2002 10:11 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us EDISON SCHOOLS INC: EDUCATION'S ENRON Edison Schools Inc. is the Enron of education, according to education researcher, Gerald Bracey. He charges, "Enron used aggressive bookkeeping practices to paint a glowing picture and to inflate stock prices while hiding huge losses." Although a publicly traded, for-profit company, Edison has never turned a profit and entered the 2001-2002 school year with cumulative losses of $197 million. They have since grown to $230 million. Bracey charges that Edison boosts its revenue by $96 million a year by including as income money it never receives. http://www.educationnews.org/edison_schools_inc.htm --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 09:34:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] conservation <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-FEB-2002 9:34 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us speak for thyself, you, "godlike creature!" really, I don't see why, that should imply such a particular dualism. for another example, see what Kepler says concerning the Ptolemaic fraud, and compare that to the "heresy" of Galileo, stuck in his big house to write about it! (that is, in the current *21st C. Science and Tech.*, which translates directly from Kepler .-) *if* that's an example. thus quoth: of humans. Some people ask the wrong question -- should we do it because they deserve life also? This question presumes that we are godlike creatures who stand apart from nature and are not affected by --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 09:45:21 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] AFSC Resources on Japanese American Internment <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-FEB-2002 9:45 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Storm Over Asia, Take Two: I Told You So, and Now It Is Happening ... Among these, were two war plans: War Plan Red and War Plan Orange. Red and Orange signified Britain and Japan. And this occurred--of course, these war plans were in this form, as a result of the British alliance against the United ... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2000/2736_storm_over_... thus quoth: AFSC has numerous oral histories and archival information dating back to the first World War, including personal accounts of people who were placed into concentration camps following the bombing of Pearl Harbor, and accounts of people who assisted in the relocation of Japanese American students from the camps to colleges and universities around the country, relief efforts during the Spanish Civil War, interviews with people whose volunteer efforts assisted in relief work with Palestinian refugees in the Gaza Strip and more. For more information, contact: Jack Sutters, Archivist at (215) 241-7000. Japanese American National Museum 369 E. First Street Los Angeles, CA 90012 The Japanese American National Museum promotes understanding and appreciation of America's ethnic and cultural diversity by preserving, interpreting, and sharing the experiences of Japanese Americans. Call (213) 625-0414 for information or visit www.janm.org --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:06:58 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] conversation <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-FEB-2002 10:06 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us LaRouche on Terrorism vs. Clinton ... provisions for an attack upon Pearl Harbor by Britain's ally Japan. "Doubting Thomases" could look up U.S. war-plans "Red" and "Orange" from the 1920s and 1930s. It was President Franklin Roosevelt's intention, that, at the end of ... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1996/lhl_terror.html George Bush: Crack Kingpin of the 1980s ... The afghansi mujahideen, for example, the nominally Islamic army deployed in a decade-long war against the Soviet Red Army in Afghanistan, was financed, to a great extent, by the buildup of a massive opium and heroin trade from the ... http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1996/bush_drug_ops.html Bernard Lewis: British Svengali Behind Clash of Civilizations ... 1979 launching of covert support for Afghan mujahideen "Contras" inside Afghanistansix months prior to the Soviet Red Army's Christmas Eve invasion. As early as 1960, in a book-length study he prepared for the Royal Institute for ... http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2846b_lewis_... Who's Who In 'Mega' ... Syndicate" of National Crime Boss Meyer Lansky. His father, Sol Frank "Red" Steinhardt, was a bigtime gambler and convicted jewel fence, who worked with Meyer Lansky. "Red" Steinhardt was sent to Sing Sing on a five- to ten-year ... http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2844mega_bios.html The Becoming Death of Systems Analysis ... clearly and simply illustrates the general problem. As if in loving memory of the Roman Emperor Diocletian and his Code, the advocates of such distinctions between pure and applied science, are arguing against any direct or ... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2000/lar_systems_... Sort By Date | Hide Summaries Prev 10 | Next 10 --les ducs d'Enron! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:50:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Hex-Pent Dome Plans Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1972 Hex-Pent plans up for bid (Pop Sci Project #5544) on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1517200567 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:17:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Rick Engel Subject: symmetry of IVM and crystals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have posted a lesson on the symmetry of the IVM (which I refer to in crystallographic terms as the FCC lattice) at: http://www.polymorf.net/knowhere1.htm It also relates the geometry and symmetry of elements and minerals =20 using Polymorf, a new math and science manipulative. 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Hutchings 23-FEB-2002 9:07 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I wasn't there, but I do remember the hoopla about the Exxon Valdez spill. as noted in a cover-feature of *Sci.Am.*, the annual "Organic Seeps of Oil in the Gulf o'Mexico" are about the same amount, most of which a) evaporates or b) is eaten by plankton. thus quoth: Anyone remember the Exxon Valdes incident? My brother (an engineer and math genius) and I have always been quite avid recyclers - and he sat down and figured out mathematically the percentages of damages being done by large corporate entities comparing that with our own efforts - ultimately we elected to close our eyes and try not to think about it and just keep on --Prenatal Advisory! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:16:32 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] 1491 <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 23-FEB-2002 9:16 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us interesting. also, see the work of Colinveaux. there's also a lot of epigraphy, much of which is still to be read, that blows a lot of the British historiography of the States, as well as huge chunks of their own "Israelitism." (some of this has debuted in *21st C. Science and Tech.*, of course. see http://21stcenturysciencetech.com/ .-) thus quoth: The Atlantic Monthly magazine of March 2002 has a lead article titled "1491" by charles Mann. It may be of interest to some of Quaker-P as it summarizes evidence that the Americas were more densely populated at the time of European contact, than Europe. 120+ million natives is one of the estimates. The significance of this may be that at that time the population had substantially altered the environment. With as much as 95% of the native die-off from a series of introduced epidemics, the N. American forest greatly expanded as natives no longer used extensive fires to burn mature forests. Consequently, between 1500 and 1800, the eastern forests expanded, the elk, buffalo and passenger pigeon populations ballooned. The Amazon basin also may have had widespread human inhabitation that created earthen embankments that support the current mature forest. --Prenatal Advisory! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:47:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: [Quaker-P] CrisisWeb: Latest Publications <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 24-FEB-2002 8:47 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us those meddling Fins; tsk! it is quite dysgusting to see these folks, plastering the British line on Sudan, which was actually well-exposed by a piece in *Vanity Fair*, which I didn't read. however, I did read the reply by Albright, S.Rice et al, and the author's re-reply was quite a blast agin'em. it was folks like co-author/Congressman Pendergrast, and the British, "low-church" Xian Solidarity (sik; now housed in Switzerland as XSIntl.), testifying for the behalf of the "rightwingnut Xians" like XSI's, that led to the pressure from Congress to bomb the Al Shifa plant, and so on -- not intelligence from the CIA (or even MI6, as far as I know, unless XSI is that). the same sort of criticism can apply to the articles on Zimbabwe and Indonesia, namely that "the information" is royally messed-up, and historically a lot British misanthropology. I didn't even look at the other titles, and don't want to. I'll just say that Mugabe is the target of a endless media castigation, without any concupescence on the part of the British creation of the situation, up til this very day of the celebration of "independence" and of "failed states" in Africa, simultaneously. a lot of the background, of course, is on the LaRouche websites. oh; I also have personal, local experience of the media flimflam, that was perpetrated at the Museum of Tolerance, on two occaissions (that I attended); it was almost hoaky, as much as it was a hoax, and used a passle o'schoolkids as its vassels (in a Colorado (public?) schoold). thus quoth: 11. CrisisWeb: Latest Publications http://www.crisisWeb.org/projects/reports.cfm#top The International Crisis Group (ICG) is a private, multinational organization "committed to strengthening the capacity of the international community to anticipate, understand and act to prevent and contain conflict." The ICG, which is chaired by former Finnish President Martti Ahtisaari, is headquartered in Brussels and has advocacy offices in Washington DC, New York, and Paris. The organization currently operates field projects in nineteen crisis-affected countries and four continents: --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:35:26 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Subject: Fw: hello MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe=20 To: Buckminster Fuller=20 Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Re: hello New Message on Buckminster Fuller=20 =20 hello Reply Reply to Sender Recommend Message 5 in Discussion =20 =20 From: Joe =20 For info re octet trusses go to: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Oct-Omnh.htm = (scroll down to "Octet"). =20 Also see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/Octet.htm . =20 =20 View other communities in this category.=20 =20 Also on MSN: Start Chatting | Listen to Music | House & Home | Try Online = Dating | Daily Horoscopes=20 =20 To stop getting this e-mail, or change how often it arrives, go = to your E-mail Settings.=20 Need help? 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Your e-mail address will be deleted from this = community's mailing list.=20 Remove my e-mail address from Buckminster Fuller. =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:48:46 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: team cqa Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] CrisisWeb: Latest Publications In-Reply-To: <200202241647.g1OGl1d28910@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable howdy,=20 you know what i wanna know? how come the sunsabitches plagarize indian names for their weapons, apache, balckhawk etc. insult to injury, no? my favorite gizzard > De: Brian Hutchings > Responder a: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Grupos: bit.listserv.geodesic > Fecha: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:47:01 -0800 > Para: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Asunto: [Quaker-P] CrisisWeb: Latest Publications >=20 > <> Brian =BFQuincy! Hutchings 24-FEB-2002 8:47 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us >=20 > those meddling Fins; tsk! > it is quite dysgusting to see these folks, > plastering the British line on Sudan, > which was actually well-exposed by a piece in *Vanity Fair*, > which I didn't read. however, > I did read the reply by Albright, S.Rice et al, and > the author's re-reply was quite a blast agin'em. > it was folks like co-author/Congressman Pendergrast, and > the British, "low-church" Xian Solidarity (sik; > now housed in Switzerland as XSIntl.), testifying > for the behalf of the "rightwingnut Xians" like XSI's, > that led to the pressure from Congress to bomb the Al Shifa plant, > and so on -- not intelligence from the CIA (or > even MI6, as far as I know, unless XSI is that). >=20 > the same sort of criticism can apply to the articles > on Zimbabwe and Indonesia, namely that > "the information" is royally messed-up, and > historically a lot British misanthropology. > I didn't even look at the other titles, and don't want to. > I'll just say that Mugabe is the target > of a endless media castigation, without any concupescence > on the part of the British creation of the situation, > up til this very day of the celebration of "independence" and > of "failed states" in Africa, simultaneously. >=20 > a lot of the background, of course, > is on the LaRouche websites. >=20 > oh; I also have personal, local experience > of the media flimflam, that was perpetrated > at the Museum of Tolerance, on two occaissions > (that I attended); it was almost hoaky, as much > as it was a hoax, and used a passle o'schoolkids > as its vassels (in a Colorado (public?) schoold). >=20 > thus quoth: > 11. CrisisWeb: Latest Publications > http://www.crisisWeb.org/projects/reports.cfm#top >=20 > The International Crisis Group (ICG) is a private, multinational > organization "committed to strengthening the capacity of the > international > community to anticipate, understand and act to prevent and contain > conflict." The ICG, which is chaired by former Finnish President Martti > Ahtisaari, is headquartered in Brussels and has advocacy offices in > Washington DC, New York, and Paris. The organization currently operates > field projects in nineteen crisis-affected countries and four continents: >=20 > --les ducs d'Enron! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:50:20 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] CrisisWeb: Latest Publications <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 25-FEB-2002 12:50 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us just to pinpoint this, today's L.A.times has a pA4 thing, "Mugabe Backers Ambush Political Rival's Followers." it's only 2columns on less than half a page, but the "over 500" "reign of terror" -ists list of casualties was, "hurling rocks at motorists and smashing windows of at least 3 cars," then citing "last week[,] two S.Africans were trapped in an MDC office by 200 pro-government militants armed with stones & iron bars in the first incident involving election monitors. "They wer not hurt, but the MDC said[,] five of its supporters were injured" and so on. it even said that this Great Challenger had taken his show to President Mugabe's hometown, where this altercation occured. now, htanks to Reuters, the good, old colonial wire, this is really not anything but the truth; thankfully, as there's no-one there, to check on the imperialist freaks! thus saith: > oh; I also have personal, local experience > of the media flimflam [on Sudan], that was perpetrated > at the Museum of Tolerance, on two occaissions > (that I attended); it was almost hoaky, as much > as it was a hoax, and used a passle o'schoolkids > as its vassels (in a Colorado (public?) schoold). > > thus quoth: > 11. CrisisWeb: Latest Publications > http://www.crisisWeb.org/projects/reports.cfm#top > > The International Crisis Group (ICG) is a private, multinational > organization "committed to strengthening the capacity of the > international > community to anticipate, understand and act to prevent and contain > conflict." The ICG, which is chaired by former Finnish President Martti > Ahtisaari, is headquartered in Brussels and has advocacy offices in > Washington DC, New York, and Paris. The organization currently operates > field projects in nineteen crisis-affected countries and four continents: > > --les ducs d'Enron! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:43:21 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] RV: [narconews] Alphandary: Venezuela Faces U.S. C <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 25-FEB-2002 13:43 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us it's that little reference problem. in effect, Yahoo! has become the bellicose front-end for Reuters, at least for "free" readers. the kind of democracy that monsieur Chavez has promoted, is known as Jacobinism, and he used anticonstitutional methods, to do so. I'd worry about a coup, here, firstly; eh? thus quoth: In a special report for Narco News readers, authentic journalist Kim Alphandary examines the actions of officials in Washington, D.C., that attempt to provoke a military coup against the elected Chavez government in Venezuela, which, as one expert explains in the story, may be the world's truest democracy: http://www.narconews.com/ from somewhere in a country called Amirica, Al Giordano Publisher The Narco News Bulletin http://www.narconews.com/ narconews@hotmail.com Subscribe for free alerts in English: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/narconews --les ducs d'Enron! > > http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:21:13 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: tensegrity tension MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lee, Sorry I've been so long. I thought I'd be able to get to this a month ago. I redid my tension calculations with the latest configuration of your tensegrity cuboctahedron. It turned out fixing base points was a necessity for doing the load calculations. I don't know why, but when I tried to give the base points another three degrees of freedom the load due to gravity calculations would not converge although the self-stress calculations did fine. So no data on the base tendons. This time I tried a couple different configurations to see what the impact of changing my shot-in-the-dark assumptions was on the forces I came up with. Geometrically, there was no visible difference that I saw, and in terms of the force values, it doesn't seem to matter much. So the way the software works is I basically specify two parameters to get something that looks like your situation. The first parameter is the fractional elongation the average pre-stress (the stress in the tendons in a weightless environment) causes in a tendon. I tried a value of .02 first and then a value of .01 (less elastic). The average prestress is 2.23102 in model units. Then I apply the member weights. I use a vector of length .278878 times some scale factor. The scale factor is the second parameter. In the less elastic situation, I need to use a larger scale factor (1.2 with .01 versus .97 with .02) to get the same sag in the structure. You didn't tell me the weights of your struts (or I couldn't find them) but I can give a formula for the value needed to scale the strut weights to get the force values in the tendons given the force value in model units in one of the two tables below. The formula is (strut_weight*force_value)/(2*scale_factor*.278878) The formula for the gravityless force corresponding to the model unit value of 2.23102 is (strut_weight*2.23102)/(2*scale_factor). This would be the force you would apply on a test tendon to see what the fractional elongation is that should be plugged into the software. This might help decide whether .01 or .02 or some other value is the right one to use, but the results don't seem too sensitive to the value used. Notice that the scale_factor (1.2 or .97) enters the formula, but the elasticity does not. It does enter indirectly in that I'm sure it affects the force_value. As a comparison, for the member sqrten12b, for the .02/.97 case the force_value is 2.51306 while for the .01/1.2 case the force_value is 3.02132. In the first case, the multiplier that is applied to the strut weight to get the stress in the member is force_value/(2*scale_factor*.278878) which in this case is 2.51306/(2*.97*.278878) or 4.64501. For the second case, it is 3.02132/(2*1.2*.278878) or 4.51410. So there does seem to be some sensitivity, but it doesn't seem that great. I've attached the values below. .02/.97 case: strut01: -4.998 sqrten01a: 0.00956892 triten01b: 3.31393 sqrten01b: 3.52688 strut02: -7.02849 triten02a: 2.5941 sqrten02a: 3.06794 triten02b: 2.53752 sqrten02b: 3.17013 strut03: -4.998 sqrten03a: 0.00956892 triten03b: 3.31393 sqrten03b: 3.52688 strut04: -5.65272 triten04a: 2.04701 sqrten04a: 2.36685 triten04b: 2.62275 sqrten04b: 3.34315 strut05: -7.02849 triten05a: 2.5941 sqrten05a: 3.06794 triten05b: 2.53752 sqrten05b: 3.17013 strut06: -7.02849 triten06a: 2.53752 sqrten06a: 3.17013 triten06b: 2.5941 sqrten06b: 3.06794 strut07: -4.998 sqrten07a: 0.00956892 triten07b: 3.31393 sqrten07b: 3.52688 strut08: -5.65272 triten08a: 2.04701 sqrten08a: 2.36685 triten08b: 2.62275 sqrten08b: 3.34315 strut09: -5.65272 triten09a: 2.04701 sqrten09a: 2.36685 triten09b: 2.62275 sqrten09b: 3.34315 strut10: -6.04231 triten10a: 2.37367 sqrten10a: 2.51306 triten10b: 2.77302 sqrten10b: 3.15439 strut11: -6.04231 triten11a: 2.37367 sqrten11a: 2.51306 triten11b: 2.77302 sqrten11b: 3.15439 strut12: -6.04231 triten12a: 2.77302 sqrten12a: 3.15439 triten12b: 2.37367 sqrten12b: 2.51306 .01/1.2 case: strut01: -6.1783 sqrten01a: 0 triten01b: 4.09752 sqrten01b: 4.36359 strut02: -8.61951 triten02a: 3.1719 sqrten02a: 3.75176 triten02b: 3.11745 sqrten02b: 3.88031 strut03: -6.1783 sqrten03a: 0 triten03b: 4.09752 sqrten03b: 4.36359 strut04: -6.84276 triten04a: 2.44317 sqrten04a: 2.83414 triten04b: 3.23715 sqrten04b: 4.11328 strut05: -8.61951 triten05a: 3.1719 sqrten05a: 3.75176 triten05b: 3.11745 sqrten05b: 3.88031 strut06: -8.61951 triten06a: 3.11745 sqrten06a: 3.88031 triten06b: 3.1719 sqrten06b: 3.75176 strut07: -6.1783 sqrten07a: 0 triten07b: 4.09752 sqrten07b: 4.36359 strut08: -6.84276 triten08a: 2.44317 sqrten08a: 2.83414 triten08b: 3.23715 sqrten08b: 4.11328 strut09: -6.84276 triten09a: 2.44317 sqrten09a: 2.83414 triten09b: 3.23715 sqrten09b: 4.11328 strut10: -7.38272 triten10a: 2.84511 sqrten10a: 3.02132 triten10b: 3.43105 sqrten10b: 3.89063 strut11: -7.38272 triten11a: 2.84511 sqrten11a: 3.02132 triten11b: 3.43105 sqrten11b: 3.89063 strut12: -7.38272 triten12a: 3.43105 sqrten12a: 3.89063 triten12b: 2.84511 sqrten12b: 3.02132 Lee Bonnifield wrote: > > It is a different configuration from what I was > > dealing with last time. Should be easy enough redoing the calculations > > with the new configuration when I get the time. > > Great! I look forward to it. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:50:15 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] RV: [narconews] Alphandary: Venezuela Faces U.S. <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 26-FEB-2002 13:50 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I'm sure that you can find some documentation on the same site, about Chavez's anticonstitutional moves, that brought your new constitution, but I'm surprized taht you didn't know about it. just to continue my plaint about the Reuters attack on Mugabe, see this: This article appears in the March 1, 2002 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. British Colonialists Misfire in Zimbabwe by Lydia Cherry http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2908blair_zimb.html thus quoth: What do you mean by anti-constitutional??? We have a new constitution that was recently approved by Chavez, and which adds everything that was missing, such as protecton for the disabled and such. > the world's > truest democracy: > > http://www.narconews.com/ --les ducs d'Enron! > > > http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:33:54 -0600 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Tony Kalenak Subject: Synergetics list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can someone tell me how to sign on the Synergetics list ? Thanks, -Tony. Parkhill, Smith & Cooper, Inc. 5214 Thomason Dr. Midland, Texas 79703 Voice: 915.520.2110 Fax: 915.697.9758 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:58:12 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Synergetics list <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 27-FEB-2002 8:58 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, it seems like you *are* on it. if not, just send a note with the body of "help" to listserv@listerv.acsu.buffalo.edu, and it should send some thing back that will not be totally off-topic. thus quoth: Can someone tell me how to sign on the Synergetics list ? Thanks, -Tony. Parkhill, Smith & Cooper, Inc. --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:59:12 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Oops: name o'list is "geodesic@listserv..." <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 27-FEB-2002 8:59 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, it seems like you *are* on it. if not, just send a note with the body of "help" to listserv@listerv.acsu.buffalo.edu, and it should send some thing back that will not be totally off-topic. thus quoth: Can someone tell me how to sign on the Synergetics list ? Thanks, -Tony. Parkhill, Smith & Cooper, Inc. --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:22:30 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] RV: [narconews] Alphandary: Venezuela Faces U.S. <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 27-FEB-2002 9:22 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us hey, these from the "next 10" were so radical, I just have to post them, as well (that's the "search" button on www.larouchepub.com, input "hugo chavez" :-) World Social Forum ... Within a month of the anti-Davos meeting, Venezuela's Frantz Fanon-promoting, existentialist rageball, President Hugo Chavez, announced that he had been invited to attend WSF-II, and intends to go. By June, organizers reported that ... http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2832world_soc_for. ELN: Fidel Castro's personal project ... Known arms suppliers/routes: Cuba; Venezuelan weapons that disappeared after Lt. Col. Hugo Chavez's attempted coup d'itat; rifles donated by former Venezuelan President Carlos Andris Pirez to the Nicaraguan Sandinistas, which ... http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1995/2245_eln.html Inter-American Dialogue: sponsors for Sco Paulo Forum in Washington ... Rio Tinto Zinc mining company, assumed office as president of Bolivia; his vice president, "indigenist" leader Vmctor Hugo Cardenas, was (and is) an active participant in the Dialogue's Ethnic Divisions Project. Appointed foreign ... http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1995/2245_iad.html The Sco Paulo Forum, Castro's shocktroops ... Uruguay: Mario Benedetti, member of the literati; Hugo Cores, Congressman of People's Victory Party (PVP); Eleuterio Fernandez Huidobro, "historic leader" of the Tupamaros National Liberation Movement. Venezuela: Alm Rodrmguez, ... http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1995/2245_sao_paulo_... London's irregular warfare vs. nations of the Americas ... Venezuela's Lt. Col. Hugo Chavez (ret.) was wined and dined by British Embassy officials and even invited to visit London (the trip was stopped only when the Venezuelan government protested vehemently). Chavez's MBR-200 is a member ... http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1995/2245_irreg_war_... U.S. Law: Neither Truth Nor Justice by Lyndon LaRouche ... to that specific degeneration of the Federal justice system, the which came to the surface when Ku Klux Klan Kleagle Hugo Black covered his white Klan robes with the black robes of a Supreme Court Justice. How could it be ... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1996/us_law.html IMF Rule Shatters In Argentina; Now For The General Welfare? ... Carlos Andris Pirez is presenting himself as the alternative to the Sco Paulo Forum's crazed Venezuelan President, Hugo Chavez; Alan Garcm is in the wings as recently installed Peruvian President Alejandro Toledo totters in ... http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2850arg_imf_... Saving the Nation Is Child's Play ... area of Colombia. Colombia is being taken over by this process. In Venezuela, it is also spreading: President Hugo Chavez is completely allied with the FARC drug cartel in Colombia. This has effectively moved in and taken over ... http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2000/small_nation_... Questions and Answers with LaRouche at March 31, 2001 Webcast ... By the way, a note on this: The Bush connection to Chavez in Venezuela, is a key part of this. And just trace the map out, know what the connections are, and you'll see exactly what's going on. So, the Bush Administration is ... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2001/2814_webcast_qanda.html What Is Fascism, Really? ... was afforded the advantage of a Classical education, in a famous Trier Gymnasium then headed by the celebrated Johann Hugo Wyttenbach, the latter noted for his association with the Classical Greek tradition of the Fifteenth-Century ... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2001/2815_fascism.html Sort By Date | Hide Summaries Prev 10 | Next 2 --les ducs d'Enron! > > > > > http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:48:05 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Office of Strategic Influence <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 27-FEB-2002 9:48 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, this may partly explain ho it was that the Reagan's SDI was replaced by Bush's "chuck a missile at a missile" defense. thus quoth: 1. TRUE LIES: PENTAGON CREATES "OFFICE OF STRATEGIC INFLUENCE." Its director, Brig. Gen. Pete Worden, was quoted this week as saying the office could engage in information warfare, including spreading inaccurate or misleading information. Worden is an expert, having served as deputy to Gen. Abrahamson, head of the SDI program. In fact, a deliberate disinformation campaign must already be under way---Defense Secretary Rumsfeld told reporters the next day that Pentagon officials tell only the truth. And from today's on-line Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10015-2002Feb27.html): Score one for the leakers. --les ducs d'Enron! >>> > > > > http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:57:23 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] 1491 <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 27-FEB-2002 9:57 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us dang those bloody freemasons ... I mean, the ADL "o'B'nai B'rith" and its multiculty curriculum; there's only one USA culture, and it's technically known as "republicanism" -- yeeha! thus quoth: DIVERSITY, TRAGEDY & THE SCHOOLS >From our public schools' experiences over the past century, we have learned much about the relative advantages and disadvantages of assimilationism and multiculturalism in the public schools. Education historian Diane Ravitch argues that "celebrating diversity" an inadequate strategy for a multiracial, multi-ethnic society like ours. She writes that the public schools exist to build an American community, to help both newcomers and native-born children prepare for adulthood as fellow citizens. Her view is that strategies that divide children along racial and ethnic lines encourage resentment and alienation rather than mutual respect. She argues that schools should play a stronger role in helping immigrants to "become Americans." http://www.brook.edu/press/REVIEW/winter2002/ravitch.htm TEACHER BONUSES PROMPT OUTCRY The St. Louis Public Schools wanted to reward achievement when it decided to hand out bonuses this school year to teachers at its top performing schools. But the plan has widened a rift between exclusive Metro High School, where teachers will get $1,000 bonuses, and the city's other high schools, where teachers will get no bonus at all. Metro, a magnet school, is the only high school among five city schools where teachers will get the $1,000 bonuses, awarded because of high scores on state standardized tests and attendance, among other factors. Teachers at the other high schools say it's just not fair. "To single out a school that's the easiest to teach at doesn't sit well with me," said Scott Mekler, who teaches art at Roosevelt High. http://home.post-dispatch.com/channel/pdweb.nsf/TodayMonday/86256A0E0068FE 50862 56B5D0038C210?OpenDocument&PubWrapper=Metro NEW ERA OF SNOOPING PARENTS Baby boomer parents--the same folks that told us not to trust anyone over 30--report that in many ways they are more strict with their children than their parents were with them. It is a trend that is growing. Mothers and fathers, barraged with accounts stretching from Columbine murder plans to post-9/11 copycat terrorism, say they're becoming more watchful of children in a new millennium where the standards of "normal" parenting can become shorthand for "negligent." A new university study of parents who came of age in the 1960s found that many parents say they have rejected the values of experimenting with sex and drugs that they grew up with. They are unapologetically resorting to snooping tactics they would have abhorred in their youth. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0221/p01s01-ussc.html from PEN Weekly NewsBlast for February 22, 2002 MESSAGE from =newsblast@lyris.publiceducation.o 23-FEB-20 6:48 Public Education Network Weekly NewsBlast "Americas Favorite Free Newsletter on Improving Public Education" --les ducs d'Enron! > > > > http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:56:33 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Bonnifield Subject: Re: tensegrity tension Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks Bob! (for computing theoretical stresses in my 4-meter tensegrity cuboctahedron, photos at:) http://communities.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&P hotoID=78 http://communities.msn.com/BuckminsterFuller/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&P hotoID=81 >The formula is (strut_weight*force_value)/(2*scale_factor*.278878) >.02/.97 case: > strut01: -4.998 sqrten01a: 0.00956892 > triten01b: 3.31393 sqrten01b: 3.52688 > strut02: -7.02849 triten02a: 2.5941 ... The struts weigh 8-12 pounds each, average 9 pounds. I squared off the thick ends but the center of gravity is still typically 6" away from the geometric center of a strut. So to get absolute forces the force_values in the first table you supplied should be multiplied by 9 / (2 * .97 * .278878) = 16.6, (or 13.4 for the second table.) Is that right? So strut compressions vary from 83 to 116 pounds, and tendon tensions vary from 0 to 58 pounds (same ranges in both tables.) That could be. I'll let you know when I figure a way to test it. Having a range to look for will make it easier. I'm still bothered by how tensegrities can be efficient structures when the compression members must support so much more than the weight of the structure. Keeping it round is obviously part of the problem, with all the weight supported on 3 points. Do the struts between the layers of tendons in your hemispheres have to support so much weight? Maybe I could send a .wav file to somebody with fancy audio processing ability and they could extract tensions for all tendons at once from the sounds it makes! I didn't know it was going to be audible, but if there's a breeze strong enough to feel, with an ear against a strut I can hear it as an aeolian harp. As the breeze picks up, overtones are added, maybe an octave higher. It's an eerie chord. I don't hear pitches bending as I jiggle it. When the breeze is strong enough to hear leaves rustle, I can hear it singing while standing near it. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:19:27 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Synergetics list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony, I think the Synergetics list is no more. Try to contact kirby Urner. Sorry, I don't have his current email address. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Kalenak" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Synergetics list > Can someone tell me how to sign on the Synergetics list ? > Thanks, > > -Tony. > > Parkhill, Smith & Cooper, Inc. > 5214 Thomason Dr. > Midland, Texas > 79703 > > Voice: 915.520.2110 > Fax: 915.697.9758 > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:25:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Fw: dome home for sale in North Idaho [Yahoo! Clubs: geodesic dome homes] Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "stellar83852" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 5:50 PM Subject: dome home for sale in North Idaho [Yahoo! Clubs: geodesic dome homes] > my parents have a dome home unfinished for sale on 10 wooded acres in North Idaho. they have dropped the price twice now... my number is 208 263 6899 if interested lisa > > --------------------------------------------- > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! > --------------------------------------------- > You have chosen to receive messages from "geodesic dome homes" by email. > > Reply to this message: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/geodesicdomehomes/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=geodesicd omehomes&sid=12172876&mid=352 > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/geodesicdomehomes/config/change_mb_list > > Return to "geodesic dome homes": > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/geodesicdomehomes > ---------------------------------------------- > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=joe_s_moore&. groupID=geodesicdomehomes&.groupType=&.code=4ZEE0iEX05 > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:32:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Synergetics list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think the list is now, more or less, synergeo, a yahoo group. At least, this is the place where I go in hopes of finding the people most interested in synergetic, beside geodesic. Anyone, if there is another more Fuler oriented list or site, please let me know. Dick --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Tony, > > I think the Synergetics list is no more. Try to contact > kirby Urner. > Sorry, I don't have his current email address. > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Kalenak" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:33 PM > Subject: Synergetics list > > > > Can someone tell me how to sign on the Synergetics list > ? > > Thanks, > > > > -Tony. > > > > Parkhill, Smith & Cooper, Inc. > > 5214 Thomason Dr. > > Midland, Texas > > 79703 > > > > Voice: 915.520.2110 > > Fax: 915.697.9758 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:06:17 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Synergetics list <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 28-FEB-2002 8:06 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us oh, my mystaque. Kirby's list and website seem to have dysappeared, along with the archive of it for our little posterity, alas. I was connected witha www.grunch.net, I think it was, when I'd tried to access www.teleport.com/~pdx4d, Kirby's longstanding site (stands for Portland Airport/4D, and it was connected to his business),, but I don't know if there's any connection. how does synergeo compare to this? I surely dyspize Yahoos!, not to mention, Reuters! thus quoth: I think the Synergetics list is no more. Try to contact kirby Urner. Sorry, I don't have his current email address. --les duc d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:18:35 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] (Fwd) [Quaker-C] Articles of interest to Frineds <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 28-FEB-2002 8:18 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I'm still quite paranoid, and so is myself and Brian, about my service, Homestead.com, holding my pages back for some time, or diverting ("spoofing?") them. (that is, if you couldn't find the listing for it on my homepage, below, can you still connect to http://quincy4board.homestead.com/files/Dizmal.htm ??... of course, it ain't necessarily Homestead that'd be doing it, locally or else where.) anyway, look at today's NYTimes editorial, "Protecting Media Diversity," vis-a-vu Reuters. note that a longstanding California "freebie," *Micrtimes*, last year became almost wholly an outlet, as far as virtually all of its nonfeature stuff, for Reuters. the Wall Stree J., I think yesterday, had an article dateline Washington about deisel standards -- which is mostly bunk as far as I'm concerned, having local experience -- from Reuters! and esp. look at the articles on the "death threat" against Mugabe's challenger; it's silly, beyond the headline! >--les duc d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com