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Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:43:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] (Fwd) [Quaker-C] Articles of interest to Frineds <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 01-MAR-2002 10:43 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us also, look at the ridiculous fait-acompli on broadcast media deregulation, in *Saturday's* NYTimes (I'd said that it was yesterday's, I think). Today's NYT continues their editorial attack, backing the Commonwealth oligarchs, against Mugabe, with their miniscandals of iffy nature ... or see today's City of London *FT* on the "Commonwealth blacklist." the NYT uses the silly "treason" story, without going into it in the editorial, whose provenance is British, via a Canadian PR firm and what looks like an Iran-contra lay-over; the story is that they released the candidate very shortly, after a "notice and caution." this hearsay is being perpetrated against a copuntry, in which there's danger of famine. thus saith: anyway, look at today's NYTimes editorial, "Protecting Media Diversity," vis-a-vu Reuters. note that a longstanding California "freebie," *Micrtimes*, last year became almost wholly an outlet, as far as virtually all of its nonfeature stuff, for Reuters. the Wall Stree J., I think yesterday, had an article dateline Washington about deisel standards -- which is mostly bunk as far as I'm concerned, having local experience -- from Reuters! and esp. look at the articles on the "death threat" against Mugabe's challenger; it's silly, beyond the headline! >--les duc d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:21:04 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Fresco Comments: To: "Sroka, Gabriel" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FrescoGabriel, Thanks for turning me on to that Discovery Channel show. I was = especially interested in the proposal to link all the continents of the = world by a series of super bridges: http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/eti/projects/bridgemain.html That would expedite the proposal to link all the contents of the world = in a global electrical energy distribution grid: = http://www.geni.org/energy/index2.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sroka, Gabriel=20 To: 'Joe S. Moore'=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: Fresco Hey Joe,=20 There was a cool show on Discovery Channel last night called = "Engineering the Impossible"=20 (talking about a half-mile skyscraper, and 9 mile bridge and a big = ship...)=20 http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/eti/eti.html=20 They mentioned Jacque Fresco (whom I notice is in your bibliography) = and briefly showed his structures, some of which had geodesic-type domes = on them... see:=20 http://www.thevenusproject.com/vp_gallery/player/sea/images/11.jpg=20 http://www.thevenusproject.com/vp_gallery/player/sea/images/8.jpg=20 = http://www.thevenusproject.com/vp_gallery/player/construction/images/6.jp= g=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 07:11:46 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] (Fwd) [Quaker-C] Articles of interest to Frineds <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 02-MAR-2002 7:11 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us great cites, Karen! it has literally been studied unto death, especially regarding radiation; viz, see the UNSCEAR report (2000) on Chernobyl. there are far more effective standards taht have been developed; see "Its Time to Tell the Truth About the Health Benefits of Low-Dose Radiation Summer 2000 James Muckerheide," a ways down in the list of sample articles at http://21stcenturysciencetech.com/sample.html thus quoth: The linear no-threshhold model Parks mentions is currently being reevaluated. Basically, if a gallon of liquor will kill one person in one day (I don't know if it will or not, though it would likely kill one or several of me), then 1 gallon of liquor split among 10 billion people, but they take 50 years to drink it, will also result in one death. That's the basic principle behind the LNT model. By the end of the decade or so, new recommendations will (possibly) be made for low exposure. I don't know whether it is thought that low exposure to radioactivity in humans might stimulate the body's protective mechanisms or not. Apparently, a few studies show people exposed to low (how low?) amounts of radioactivity have less cancer. Preliminary results on the firemen at Chernobyl showed a leukemia rate half of that expected, for example. Another idea is that small doses are worse for the cancer or proto-cancer cells than they are for you. It's not something that anyone has really studied; the number of studies so far is not sufficient for physicists to reach a conclusion. Also, this is not something you should try at home! --les duc d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 07:17:16 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Alternatives to War <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 02-MAR-2002 7:17 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us most of the proponents of the ICC and intl. tribunals, that I've seen, fail to discern the primary reason for not using them: it is the o'erwhelming "empirical" use of "common law" that would swamp the need for justice. of course, the most important in that regard is real estate (a-hem .-) thus quoth: By BARBARA CROSSETTE International law experts rose to a strong defense of United Nations war crimes tribunals on Friday in response to an attack on them by an administration official. --les duc d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 07:39:49 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Alternatives to War <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 02-MAR-2002 7:39 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us also, only taking heed of the 'WAND' Corp., and its awful beachead in the Administration, it must be wondered wether the "attack on them by an administration official" is worth its weight in hot air; just see the Fall 2000 (pre-election) 'WAND Weview' and its explicit endorsement of an (anglo) "American hegemony," and tell me what is wrong with that (if any thing .-) thus saith: most of the proponents of the ICC and intl. tribunals, that I've seen, fail to discern the primary reason for not using them: it is the o'erwhelming "empirical" use of "common law" that would swamp the need for justice. of course, the most important in that regard is real estate (a-hem .-) thus quoth: By BARBARA CROSSETTE International law experts rose to a strong defense of United Nations war crimes tribunals on Friday in response to an attack on them by an administration official. --les duc d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:50:08 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: tensegrity tension MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lee, My pleasure. Your computations are correct and I would be interested to hear how close my guesses are. It would be interesting if you made an MP3 file with selections of sounds your structure makes. Now that I have the calculator warmed up, I'll look into your questions about efficiency. Maybe it'll just take me a month this time instead of two. :-) Bob Lee Bonnifield wrote: > Thanks Bob! (for computing theoretical stresses in my 4-meter tensegrity > cuboctahedron ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:28:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Geodesic Math & How to Use It Comments: To: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _Geodesic Math & How to Use It_ is currently available at half.com for = $134 http://www.half.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=3D2759087&domain_id=3D1856 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:20:15 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Wong Thesis Comments: To: "Hunter, Spencer W" Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Spencer, Here's the links to Wong's 1999 MIT dissertation, _The Geodesic Works of = RBF 1948-68_ The first one is to the text http://theses.mit.edu/Dienst/UI/2.0/Describe/0018.mit.theses/1999-159/1 and the second is to the pics http://theses.mit.edu/Dienst/UI/2.0/Describe/0018.mit.theses/1999-159/553= I highly recommend it! It's available for sale thru MIT. PS: Had a great time yesterday viewing Biosphere 2. Thanks for being my = guide. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:23:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Hooray for Bucky! Comments: To: Alyce Marshall Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Alyce, If I had known what I was getting into, I might not have attempted it. The Index started out about 7 years ago as a short list in text form only. Over the years I just kept adding & adding stuff. It's now almost 40 megs! The index is a compilation of all the indexes in the published Bucky-related books plus relevant people plus all kinds of stuff I've added in that seemed relevant to Fuller's work. There's about 700 web pages (probably 2000+ paper pages if printed out) with about 600 pics. Other major sections of my site are the Bibliography, the Selected Ideas section, a Glossary, and my summary of Bucky's Grand Strategy. There's a place on the bottom of my home page that allows one to search the site. You might want to subscribe to the Dome Home list: http://www.domegroup.org/ ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alyce Marshall" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:44 AM Subject: Re: Hooray for Bucky! (snip) > For a moment my jaw dropped... i had never thought that > anyone would undertake such a big task as making a "Bucky > Master Index"!!! Just absolutely floored me! > > I'm a real tree hugger myself and at some point hope to > build a dome home to live in... still researching how to > make biodiesel a major fuel source as well so perhaps i'll > combine the two when i get my own place! ;) > (snip) > Good luck with the website and have a great day! > Smile! > Alyce Marshall ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 22:40:27 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Bonnifield Subject: Re: tensegrity tension Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > From: Bob Burkhardt Date: Sun, Mar 3, 2002, 10:50 AM > My pleasure. Your computations are correct and I would be interested to hear > how close my guesses are. Thanks also for the stage7_02_97.jpg. It looks wider than it is high, like my .real one, and I can see by the shadows that the ~vertical struts are floating about right. I imagine that if I rolled mine onto other triangles, those struts would float at different heights than I told you, but it's a little fragile for experiments like that. Your calculations for 1% and 2% elongation from zero-g prestressing (is that right?) and your earlier calculation with those 3 struts touching the ground (call it "deflated") are very similar. The biggest difference is that the top 3 struts hold 85 pounds deflated and 95 pounds when it is pumped up to its current roundness with 2%. All other corresponding values in all 3 sets are within 5 pounds. Of course we don't really know what % is correct since I've never measured it, and doubt if I could. And since there are easily errors in final tendon length of +/- 0.5% I don't put much significance in 1-pound variations, except that it is interesting that adding 1 or 2 or 3 pounds to various deflated tendons is enough to reach the 1% pumped up solution. If we believe 1 pound differences are significant, there is even one tendon that RELAXES as it is pumped up! That is the tightest tendon, the lowest square -- 60 pounds deflated (that tendon touches the ground at both ends) but only 59 pounds when one end is lifted up (@ 1%) or 58 pounds @ 2%. See, I TOLD YOU 3 years ago that if you were smart enough you could tell me how to un-deflate the earlier too-flexible tensegrity while LOOSENING some tendons! :-) The bottom 3 struts also were under greater compression (84 pounds) deflated than after pumping (83 pounds) but that could just be my rounding errors, I didn't check carefully. If there are no rounding errors, the total compression for the 12 struts increases from 1137 pounds deflated to 1164 (1%) or 1182 (2%). That 45 pound difference is the weight of 5 additional imaginary struts added to the load on the 12 real struts just to pump it up. > Now that I have the calculator warmed up, I'll look into your questions about > efficiency. Maybe it'll just take me a month this time instead of two. :-) I'll be very interested in seeing your conclusions. This seems like a critical issue to the whole subject of tensegrity engineering, and one that is much too easy to ignore when working with models. It would be awful for large structures if strut-crushing forces scale up faster than total strut weight. > It would be interesting if you made an MP3 file with selections of sounds your > structure makes. I have a 625K .wav file that plays for 20 seconds, want it? In autorepeat mode, it is an accurate rendition of a breeze becoming just strong enough to feel. Besides not currently having wav -> mp3 ability, I need a portable audio recorder better than what I used, a camcorder. The tensegrity is not loud; I usually listen standing with an ear pressed against one of the convenient ~vertical struts. If I press the camcorder mike against the strut, the mechanical vibration the camcorder makes gets picked up too. Even with no mechanical contact between camcorder and strut, the strut echoes back camcorder noise. So I need a contact mike that can be rigidly attached to the strut, and separated from noisy recorder mechanics. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:28:00 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Thanks!!! Comments: To: Alyce Marshall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alyce, If you have already made the decision to build a dome in the next 2-3 years, then I can recommend only one geodesic dome kit manufacturer--American Ingenuity: http://www.aidomes.com/ To the best of my knowledge they are the ONLY company in the world at this time that make a dome that will not rot, burn, or be eaten by bugs. (I have no affiliation, BTW.) Monolithic meets the same criteria, but I don't consider them "geodesic". I'm holding out for a completely autonomous, portable dome home as described in _Critical Path_ (see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Au-Az.htm ; scroll down to "Autonomous" and http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeHomeHiTech.htm), but it seems it won't be available for at least the next 10 years or so (sigh). A totally self contained portable home needs 2-way wireless communication, energy harvesting & recycling equipment, and an aircar (see http://www.moller.com/skycar/ and http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/EndTransVTOLvehicle.htm) which probably won't be affordable by the average person until at least ten years from now. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alyce Marshall" To: "Joe S Moore" Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: Thanks!!! > Thanks, i did subscribe... yay more things to learn!! > > Was sad to discover the article from the co-writer of Dome > Handbook I & II.... he was so disillusioned but on the > other hand, just because people haven't figured out how to > perfect the logistics of living in a dome, doesn't mean > it's not worth trying. Of course, I'm sure it's hard to > keep a stiff upper lip when what you believed to be simple > turned out to be a monumentous obstacle to realize. I hold > no illusions about the simplicity of getting a dome home to > work. To get the shell up, yes, i hold the belief that it > will be easy there but after that, it's going to be a > battle. > > Again, thanks for the info! > Good luck and remember to smile! ;-) > Alyce Marshall ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:16:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: Thanks!!! <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 04-MAR-2002 6:16 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us ah, so, the panels are actually made of concrete, so that the resulting dome *is* monolithic in the sense of a complete surface of concrete, minus windows etc. it seems like a very nice kit. http://www.aidomes.com/dome_construction.htm thus quoth: If you have already made the decision to build a dome in the next 2-3 years, then I can recommend only one geodesic dome kit manufacturer--American Ingenuity: http://www.aidomes.com/ To the best of my knowledge they are the ONLY company in the world at this time that make a dome that will not rot, burn, or be eaten by bugs. (I have no affiliation, BTW.) Monolithic meets the same criteria, but I don't consider them "geodesic". I'm holding out for a completely autonomous, portable dome home as described in _Critical Path_ (see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Au-Az.htm ; scroll down to "Autonomous --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:21:11 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: earthsite Comments: To: "Sroka, Gabriel" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable earthsiteGabriel, Bonnie's website is http://gate.cruzio.com/~devarco/portfolio.htm. You = have her correct email. Last I heard she was working in Santa Cruz, CA, = either for the University of California or someone near the University. = You might try the Yellow Pages for Santa Cruz. I think you are probably correct. The percentage of Earth's surface = that one can see depends on the distance one is from Earth. I don't = know if she was quoting Bucky, or the context of her remark. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sroka, Gabriel=20 To: 'Joe S Moore'=20 Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:52 PM Subject: earthsite Joe,=20 I disagree with Bonnie DeVarco who said "you can see only one third of = the earth at any one time":=20 http://www.thirteen.org/bucky/dymap.html=20 , but I couldn't prove her wrong until I found the answer on:=20 http://mathforum.org/geopow/solutions/solution.ehtml?puzzle=3D76 = (note, some of the solutions on that page are a little off, but the = answer is 38%.) (I wonder if she was quoting Bucky. Do you know?)=20 If you're far enough away, you see up to (but not including) 50% of a = sphere. In fact, a satellite at an altitude of two earth radii (2r) can = see 33%. At 6r (a little beyond, geosynchronous) you can see 43%. From = the moon (about 60r), you can see 49%. From the sun, about 49.99%, = etc... in general,=20 if a is the altitude of the satellite, and r is earth's radius=20 h=3Dr - r ^ 2 / (r + a)=20 surface viewable from satellite, ss=3D2 pi r h=20 surface of the whole earth, se=3D4 pi r ^ 2=20 ratio =3D ss / se =3D h / 2 r =3D 1/2 - r / 2 (r + a)=20 The 1/2 in the last equation explains why it is always less than (but = not equal to) 50%.=20 Do you know of any way to get a hold of her?=20 Gabriel=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:53:37 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Stuart Willett Subject: A design for a sustainable city. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a design for a city that is built within a dome. The city is designed to be built in arid regions. I make several claims regarding the design: 1. The city is a solution to Global Warming because it acts as a heat sink and a carbon sink. 2. The city opens the world's arid regions to development and therefore is a solution to desertification and overpopulation. Also, the city eliminates traffic congestion, has a design that makes electric vehicles economic, and improves on the design of solar cells. I have come to this group to see if anyone would like to review the design. It is 14 pages long. You can reply to my email address znpaaneah@yahoo.com and give me a mailing address (there are a few diagrams that wont be included in an email). Thanks, Stuart W __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:51:42 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] More on Missile Defense <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 05-MAR-2002 10:51 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us so much of the Administration seems like smoke & mirrors. it has heretofore been seen as appropriate, for a "crash program" of development to have some leeway, maybe not so much. however, the questioned test of the missile is rather bogus, since a) it doesn't matter that the target had a beacon on it, just to see if it is *possible* to hit a missile with a missile (of course, it is, like anti-aircraft gunnery), and b) you really need lasers for an effective attack against missiles. in the latter regard, the Administration has taken to heart Sir (Pres.) George's crew's dumping of the original goals of SDI, in favor of the "off o'the shelf" approach of Abrams et al. thus quoth: * THE GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE has released two reports saying that scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology did not have sufficient scientific basis to support their conclusion that a 1997 missile-defense test was largely successful. There was also an article on the Washington Post newswire stating that Rumsfeld has exempted the missile defense agency from regulations designed to control project costs and prevent waste. --les duc d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:17:45 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Trading Democracy <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 05-MAR-2002 11:17 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us the MMT (Ethyl Corp.) case is interesting, and appears to uphold the quidproquo for mehtanex. I was shocked that MTBE is manufacutred mainly in Canada, from natural gas, comprising up to 11% of gasoline that's used in California! thus quoth: This is set forth in Article 1102 of Chapter 11... > As I read NAFTA, Methanex would lose its case, Mr Powell seems to have missed the article that that applies. It is article 1110 which causes the problem, not article 1102. Article 1110 states "1. No Party may directly or indirectly nationalize or expropriate an investment of an investor of another Party in its territory or take a measure tantamount to nationalization or expropriation of such an investment " >--les duc d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:36:11 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: cardboard domes Comments: To: Salesdominator@aol.com Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, Here's some references that I have on cardboard domes: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomePaperboard.htm Also see: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-P.htm (scroll down to "Paper") =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Salesdominator@aol.com=20 To: joemoore@cruzio.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: cardboard domes i used to design & build my domes all over the US! i am interested in = doing the cardboard dome with my designs!!! bob baker-702-523-333=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:44:27 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: A design for a sustainable city. Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" , znpaaneah@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stuart, I would love to see your designs. Do you have a website that we can look at? You might want to take a look at my collection of domed-over cities refs: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-C.htm My contact info is below. ============================== Joe S Moore 5424 N. Linda Place Tucson, AZ 85704 joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Willett" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:53 PM Subject: A design for a sustainable city. > I have a design for a city that is built within a > dome. The city is designed to be built in arid > regions. I make several claims regarding the design: > > 1. The city is a solution to Global Warming because > it acts as a heat sink and a carbon sink. > > 2. The city opens the world's arid regions to > development and therefore is a solution to > desertification and overpopulation. > > Also, the city eliminates traffic congestion, has a > design that makes electric vehicles economic, and > improves on the design of solar cells. > > I have come to this group to see if anyone would like > to review the design. It is 14 pages long. You can > reply to my email address znpaaneah@yahoo.com and give > me a mailing address (there are a few diagrams that > wont be included in an email). > > Thanks, Stuart W ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:07:06 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Stuart Willett Subject: Re: A design for a sustainable city. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll mail out a draft today. Thanks --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Stuart, > > I would love to see your designs. Do you have a > website that we can look > at? > You might want to take a look at my collection of > domed-over cities refs: > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-C.htm > > My contact info is below. > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > 5424 N. Linda Place > Tucson, AZ 85704 > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Willett" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:53 PM > Subject: A design for a sustainable city. > > > > I have a design for a city that is built within a > > dome. The city is designed to be built in arid > > regions. I make several claims regarding the > design: > > > > 1. The city is a solution to Global Warming > because > > it acts as a heat sink and a carbon sink. > > > > 2. The city opens the world's arid regions to > > development and therefore is a solution to > > desertification and overpopulation. > > > > Also, the city eliminates traffic congestion, has > a > > design that makes electric vehicles economic, and > > improves on the design of solar cells. > > > > I have come to this group to see if anyone would > like > > to review the design. It is 14 pages long. You > can > > reply to my email address znpaaneah@yahoo.com and > give > > me a mailing address (there are a few diagrams > that > > wont be included in an email). > > > > Thanks, Stuart W __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:44:41 -0600 Reply-To: prkosuth@midwest.net Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Kosuth Subject: Re: A design for a sustainable city. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would be interested in seeing your plans. I teach sci/math and regularly discuss domes, housing and the future. Paul Kosuth c/o Brehm Preparatory school 1245 E. Grand Ave. Carbondale Il 62901 USA Stuart Willett wrote: > I have a design for a city that is built within a > dome. The city is designed to be built in arid > regions. I make several claims regarding the design: > > 1. The city is a solution to Global Warming because > it acts as a heat sink and a carbon sink. > > 2. The city opens the world's arid regions to > development and therefore is a solution to > desertification and overpopulation. > > Also, the city eliminates traffic congestion, has a > design that makes electric vehicles economic, and > improves on the design of solar cells. > > I have come to this group to see if anyone would like > to review the design. It is 14 pages long. You can > reply to my email address znpaaneah@yahoo.com and give > me a mailing address (there are a few diagrams that > wont be included in an email). > > Thanks, Stuart W > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:38:17 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Abraham Lincoln -- some sound advice from Excite's <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 07-MAR-2002 12:38 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Abraham Lincoln Rips Samuel Huntington's Lies The so-called Institute for American Values has hijacked the views of President Lincoln, among others, to support their aim of launching a new imperial war, a Clash of Civilizations. But the real Abraham Lincoln would have had none of it, as Anton Chaitkin reports. http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2909lincoln_iraq.html thus quoth: I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. - Abraham Lincoln --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:54:22 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Ethyl corporation <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 07-MAR-2002 12:54 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Davis and the legislature have tried to phase MtBE out, but they're holding-off because of the EPA's insistance on using it, or ethanol, in gasoline. meanwhile, everyone's gone hogwild in banning deisel, which is actually much more efficient than gasoline engines, at this point. of course, MtBE may not actually be toxic, without the "linear no-threshold" flap- doodle. it does make the water taste like turpentine, supposedly, but I never got a taste of it in Santa Monica, before they shut those wells down. (personally, I love a good "trupentine mango," and I presume that the turpenes in them are about the same.) did you read about the supposed sailing-on-through of GATT "trade in services" stuff at the WTO? if we presume that this includes vast chunks in the areas of intellectual property and finance, what is going to be left that isn't controlled by it, at least on paper or screen? I don't see how anyone who does not believe in "British liberal free trade" as the ultimate valuation, can support such a thing as NAFTA. it seems that most of this back-and-forth in court is ignoring what is really at stake. as another instance, note that (what I'd just read) the guy who won the primary for Democratic California Controller, is the guy who ran eBay; he paid for his own $3-million campaign. probably, he ran as the Beautiful Mind candidate, or just another Machurian like Gore, Lieberman or McCain. (obviously, I've been rather bad on following my party's **** .-) thus quoth: what good journalism is about? Clarity rather than confusion is desired, but Moyer's seems to have confused the issue to advance a "point of view" critical of NAFTA. --les ducs d'Enron! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:11:23 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] URGENT ACTION-Military seeks exemption from env. l <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 07-MAR-2002 13:11 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us correlation isn't neccesarily causitive. now, people who complain about "depleted uranium" are the same ones who insist that *any* amount of radiation is a problem, although this has been shown not to be the case, in general. in truth, the siimple physics of low-level radioactives like U-238, makes it extraordinarily difficult to get a "blip" of a dose -- althoug the chemistry is probably more dangerous than the "radio" part, if you could actually find enough to snort. in other word, heavymetal. of course, the same thing applies to the above-ground tests of the past, in that that recent study is entirely presumptive of the "linear no-threshold" reality, which amounts (like "space-time") to a graphical technique -- only the phase-space that is predicated has a grand assumption about (0,0) and anything between it an the first "datapoint." (herein, doseage is presumed to accumulate with time, toxicly, thus mapping *to* time.) I'd also question the problem with HAARP and LFA, just because the energy values are big on an absolute scale, yet probably quite minor compared with natural events (viz, lightening). I like the term, hysteresis! thus quoth: DEPLETED URANIUM: (DU) the heavier-than-lead by-product of nuclear weapons production is being used to coat shells, bombs, even tanks. DU "dust" (with a half life of 4 billion years) is littered throughout Vieques, Puerto Rico, the Balkans, Iraq, and now Afghanistan; this has coincided with a rise in the rates of infant deformity, cancer and illness in civilian populations. Agricultural products, crops and water supplies have been contaminated. although I am sort of an enemy of the 'WAND' Corp., their meta-study on DU is quite good, at least the summary was! --les ducs d'Enron! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:55:57 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Bonnifield Subject: even bigger buckyballs show quantum interference Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: AIP listserver To: physnews-mailing@aip.org Subject: update.579 Date: Tue, Mar 5, 2002, 1:05 PM PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News Number 579 March 5, 2002 by Phillip F. Schewe, Ben Stein, and James Riordon A MATTER-WAVE INTERFEROMETER FOR LARGE MOLECULES has been devised and demonstrated for the first time. For many years scientists have studied the proposition that things we normally think of as particles, such as electrons, should also have wave properties. Indeed studies of beams of electrons, neutrons, even whole atoms, have confirmed that particles can be viewed as a series of traveling waves which diffracted when they pass through a grating or through slits. These waves could even interfere with each other, resulting in characteristic patterns captured by particle detectors. In this way, in 1999 Anton Zeilinger and his colleagues at the University of Vienna demonstrated the wave nature of carbon-60 molecules by diffracting them (in their wave manifestation) from a grating (Update 453). Now the same group, using a full interferometer consisting of three gratings with wider grating spacings and a more efficient detector setup, observe a sharp interference pattern. Moreover, because the beam of particles used, carbon-70 molecules at a temperature of 900 K, are themselves in an excited state (undergoing 3 rotational and 204 vibrational modes of internal motion), it should be possible to study the way in which an atom wave, or in this case a macromolecular wave, becomes decoherent (that is, loses its wavelike character) because of thermal motions and other interactions with its environment. Thus this type of interferometer experiment will be useful in studying the borderland between the quantum and classical worlds. The researchers (contact Bjorn Brezger, bjoern@brezger.de, University of Vienna) are aiming to study the wave properties of even larger composite objects, mid- sized proteins. (Brezger et al., Physical Review Letters, 11 March 2002; see also www.quantum.univie.ac.at) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 06:16:56 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: PEN Weekly NewsBlast for March 8, 2002 <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 08-MAR-2002 6:16 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us REMEDIATION DOESNT WORK According to teacher and researcher Bill Page, remediation does not work--at all--for anyone, ever. He brazenly asks, "If remediation works, why don't we take all of the kids who are behind, catch them up and be done with it! Why do we continue to remediate the same kids year after year?" According to him, it's because the premise of remediation is essentially "more of the same." If they can't read, give them more reading. If they can't spell, give them more spelling. If they can't do math, give them more math. Take it slower, make it simpler, do it in smaller chunks, do it one-on-one, offer them M & M's, but keep shoving the same stuff down their throat. While that sounds perfectly logical, it is the same as saying if they can't swim, throw them into the water twice as often because they need it twice as badly. Mr. Page says that the only way the problem will be solved is by helping teachers and students to see each other and their work in a different light. http://teachers.net/gazette/FEB02/page.html BOOKS WIN OVER TEACHER RAISES Alabama legislators voted Wednesday to spend more for books, supplies and other school expenses rather than guarantee a pay raise for teachers. The decision drew an angry response from the state's teacher lobby. "It's very disappointing to see choices made that don't reward people for good work done," said Paul Hubbert, executive director of the Alabama Education Association. The raise would cost $80 million a year. 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Are there any of the other geodesic patents in there? Joe S Moore wrote: > 14 pages of drawings of Fuller's Laminar Geodesic Dome patent at Espacenet (UK): > > http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=gb&LG=en&DB=EPD&PN=US3203144&ID=US+++3203144A1+I+ > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > -- Formactive http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:18:01 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: B3 esp@cenet - Facsimile image display US3203144 Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve, Yes. Go to http://gb.espacenet.com/ and search for "geodesic dome" (use quotes). If you want more comprehensive results, just search for "geodesic" (no quotes). ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Miller" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: Re: B3 esp@cenet - Facsimile image display US3203144 > Thanks, Joe! Are there any of the other geodesic patents in there? > > Joe S Moore wrote: > > > 14 pages of drawings of Fuller's Laminar Geodesic Dome patent at Espacenet (UK): > > > > http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=gb&LG=en&DB=EPD&PN=US3203144&ID=US +++3203144A1+I+ > > > > ============================== > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > > ============================= > > Formactive > http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 05:22:11 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: tensegrity tension MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee Bonnifield wrote: > Your calculations for 1% and 2% elongation from zero-g prestressing (is that > right?) Yes that's right. > and your earlier calculation with those 3 struts touching the ground > (call it "deflated") are very similar. The biggest difference is that the > top 3 struts hold 85 pounds deflated and 95 pounds when it is pumped up to > its current roundness with 2%. All other corresponding values in all 3 sets > are within 5 pounds. > So the calculations say the same three tendons will still be pretty loose. Is this still the case? > > Of course we don't really know what % is correct since I've never measured > it, and doubt if I could. And since there are easily errors in final tendon > length of +/- 0.5% I don't put much significance in 1-pound variations, > except that it is interesting that adding 1 or 2 or 3 pounds to various > deflated tendons is enough to reach the 1% pumped up solution. When I was working with nylon, I suspended a length from some rafters and measured the length with a negligible load and then with a series of more significant loads. That turned out to be non-linear enough that I encoded it in a chart instead of using the simplest assumption that the length increases a fixed percent proportional to the load. I think a better way would be to factor in what's happening at the joints some how by having an actual node assembly at either end. > > > Now that I have the calculator warmed up, I'll look into your questions about > > efficiency. Maybe it'll just take me a month this time instead of two. :-) > > I'll be very interested in seeing your conclusions. This seems like a > critical issue to the whole subject of tensegrity engineering, and one that > is much too easy to ignore when working with models. It would be awful for > large structures if strut-crushing forces scale up faster than total strut > weight. > I thought I'd look at a mast first and make it higher and higher and see how the stresses change at various levels as the height increases. I also have some dome models where I plan to see how the stress in the base struts changes as the frequency of the dome increases while maintaining strut length constant. That should give us some idea. > > > It would be interesting if you made an MP3 file with selections of sounds your > > structure makes. > > I have a 625K .wav file that plays for 20 seconds, want it? I think I'll wait until you get MP3 capability. The difference between wav and mp3 sounds like the difference between bmp and jpeg. How big is it when you put it into a zip archive? That might compress it to a reasonable size so I won't be all night downloading 20 seconds of sound. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:00:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: B3 esp@cenet - Facsimile image display US3203144 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The original Geodesic Dome patent is not listed under Geodesic Domes- type in US2682235! It is the best one, and it is listed under 'Building Construction'. Steve Joe S Moore wrote: > Steve, > > Yes. Go to http://gb.espacenet.com/ and search for "geodesic dome" (use > quotes). If you want more comprehensive results, just search for "geodesic" > (no quotes). > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Miller" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:24 PM > Subject: Re: B3 esp@cenet - Facsimile image display US3203144 > > > >>Thanks, Joe! Are there any of the other geodesic patents in there? >> >>Joe S Moore wrote: >> >> >>>14 pages of drawings of Fuller's Laminar Geodesic Dome patent at >>> > Espacenet (UK): > >>> > http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=gb&LG=en&DB=EPD&PN=US3203144&ID=US > +++3203144A1+I+ > >>>============================== >>>Joe S Moore >>>joe_s_moore@hotmail.com >>>http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ >>>Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute >>>============================= >>> >> Formactive >>http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl >> >> > -- Formactive http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:49:59 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: B3 esp@cenet - Facsimile image display US3203144 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been looking through a random sampling of non-Fuller geodesic patents. LAME! Some of these guys just wanted a patent, so they could be real inventors. -- Formactive http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:23:56 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Property Rights <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 11-MAR-2002 8:23 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us er cogito royal-estate sum? thus quoth: Is it? Do you have some figures to show that "much more" land is owned by the top 5% wealthiest households? thus quoth: Remember: "thou shalt steal". Not just a good idea, it's a commandment. oy heil; you've played directly inot the hands of the Tribal Sovereignity Movement! --The Times saith: Mugabe must go, or Zimbabwe reverts to Rhodesians! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:32:14 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: B3 esp@cenet - Facsimile image display US3203144 <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 11-MAR-2002 8:32 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us this didn't work. 14 pages of drawings of Fuller's Laminar Geodesic Dome patent at = Espacenet (UK): = http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=3Dgb&LG=3Den&DB=3DEPD&PN=3DUS32 = 03144&ID=3DUS+++3203144A1+I+ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute --The Times saith: Mugabe must go, or Zimbabwe reverts to Rhodesians! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:41:22 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] nuclear disarmament <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 11-MAR-2002 8:41 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us SUBJECT: Re: [Quaker-P] nuclear disarmament MESSAGE from =KarenStreet@attbi.com 11-MAR-20 7:31 The military kills people most effectively by direct methods, shooting and bombing. Landmines. Many people tie anti-military feelings to every campaign except anti-smoking, because it isn't enough, apparently, that they kill people and that the US military spends as much as big spending nations 2 through 9 combined. While the US military is not the most environmentally conscious organization that ever existed, it makes more sense to pay attention to big problems rather than small problems. They should have to obey the usual environmental laws when it doesn't interfere too much with their mission of killing people. But the military seemed to be of especial interest to those writing and approving the FCNL environmental policy, and individual contributions to environmental destruction seemed to be much less interesting. Why? on 3/3/02 12:36 PM, Ctpalmer@aol.com at Ctpalmer@aol.com wrote: > INDECENT EXPOSURE > Radioactive fallout from Cold War-era global nuclear weapons tests > has caused at least 15,000 cancer deaths in the United States, > according to an unreleased government report obtained by USA Today. > The report is the U.S. government's first attempt to assess the > affects of radiation stemming from aboveground nuclear tests in the > former Soviet Union, on several Pacific islands, and at the Nevada > Test Site. Such tests were banned in 1963, but their effects linger; > the report concluded that no U.S. resident born after 1951 has > escaped exposure. In addition to the 15,000 fatal cancers, at least > 20,000 non-fatal cancers, and possibly many more, have been caused by > radiation. > > straight to the source: USA Today, Peter Eisler, 28 Feb 2002 > This may be of interest to no one else, but I was particularly interested because Center for Disease Control's predictions are so easy for them to check. This is the report that Bob Parks of the American Physical Society called "wildly irresponsible". Well, actually, it was Center for Disease Control report which estimated that for the 150,000,000 Americans alive at the relevant time, weapons fallout "could eventually be responsible for more than 11,000 cancer deaths in the United States" (NY Times, citing CDC) that Bob Parks called irresponsible; USA Today misquoted the CDC report in their one paragraph story. (I could really learn a lot about writing from them. Of course, they don't have to worry about either the facts or the main point in that paragraph.) Let's assume that the US had 110,000,000 people in the 1950s to make the Let's assume that the US had 110,000,000 people in the 1950s to make the division easier. The prediction depends on the linear non threshold model. If a dose over a period of hours or days is fatal, then if 10,000 people each receive 1/10,000 of the dose, spread out over a period of years, one will die, according to this model. The most affected people will be those born in 1951, CDC predicts, with up to 1,000 dying, mostly from thryoid cancer (up to 17 from leukemia). If CDC had predicted cancer, or lung cancer, say, the numbers could never be checked. But very few Americans die from thyroid cancer yearly, about 1,000, so a blip of 1,000 will really be noticed. Even better, thyroid cancer develops relatively rapidly from radioactivity, one of few (of two?) that does so. Even better (for those studying whether this prediction makes sense), children are disproportionately affected and children almost never get thyroid cancer. All children who developed thyroid cancer in the Chernobyl-affected parts of the former Soviet Union have had their disease blamed on Chernobyl, all three deaths are attributed to Chernobyl, and childhood thyroid cancers there peaked a while ago. An ongoing long-term study is determining whether or not any thyroid cancer deaths actually did occur as a result of nuclear fallout. This is likely to be one test of the model. Even if relatively few of the 1,000 born in 1951 predicted to die do die, it might be detected by the presence of children's deaths. So far as I know, nothing interesting has been found, but final results are not out. The number I gave in a previous post, if 10,000,000,000, ten billion, people (EPA's assumed average world population), receive 1/ten billionth of a fatal dose over a period of 50 years, one will die, came from the nuclear waste debate. The main mechanism, well, pretty much the only mechanism, by which nuclear waste harms the general population, is by converting nitrogen to carbon-14, slightly increasing the amount of carbon-14, leading to essentially all of the 200 deaths over the next 10,000 years from this year's nuclear waste. The EPA has apparently lost interest in this number since I wrote my original reports. Now they are only paying attention to those who receive the "largest" doses, still small. The new predictions which many would still call inflated, make one year of nuclear power, excluding the possibility of an accident, of less importance than 1 hour of driving in the US. Much less importance. (This is only the radioactivity part of nuclear power's problems. However, diesel trucks carry the nuclear waste. Also, many workers drive to the work place.) Risk factors for thyroid cancer do include radiation: Diet Low In Iodine Radiation: One proven risk factor for papillary thyroid cancer is a history of head or neck radiation treatments as a child. In the past, children were sometimes treated with radiation for acne, fungus infections of the scalp, an enlarged thymus gland, or to shrink tonsils or adenoids. Years later, studies linked these treatments to an increased risk of thyroid cancer. Hereditary Conditions Gender And Age: more women than men. Very rare before age 30 Radioactivity does kill. The survivors at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, for example, had a 6% increase in cancer rate, much or most of which is from radioactivity. And some of the technology-for-modern-health practices of the mid-century are no longer used with good reason. A friend of mine has a very rare cancer: the acne treatments she had as a teen are a risk factor. CDC was asked to estimate how many people would die according to the current model. If F/friends tell you that they know people who got lung cancer or other cancers from nuclear fallout, please assure them that it isn't so. And let us wait for the results of the actual study to find out if there seems to be any reason to suspect thyroid cancer of leukemia deaths from nuclear fallout. Feynman, in one of his essays, said either you support atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons because millions or gazillions of lives might be saved by the new bombs. Or you oppose atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons because millions or gazillions of lives are put at risk by the new bombs. Let us pay attention to the real issues in opposing the new testing that Bush wants. Best wishes, Karen Street --The Times saith: Mugabe must go, or Zimbabwe reverts to Rhodesians! >>http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:57:44 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Methanex Inc. v. United States <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 11-MAR-2002 8:57 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Max Horkenheimer, Hannah Arhendt et al are the progenitors of the "Frankfurt School" of bashing of what they refer to as "capitalism," in line with the British Empire and Marx, which you also appear to believe, as a matter of Libertarianism. see below for the first ten hits on "Frankfurt School!" I ddn't know that methanol was the precursor for MtBE, nor that 2 fifths of Methanex's US sales are used for it; is the MtBE produced in the USA, or Candada, from the methanol? that also may explain the problem, as methanol, itself, is corrosive of the typical gaskets in engines (etc.) that are used in the "internal combustion engine" (thou art that .-) thus quoth: 1. The Evil Philosophy Behind Political Correctness The Evil Philsophy Behind Political Correctness: Why Lyndon LaRouche Is The Only Antidote by Michael Minnicino Printed in The American Almanac , February, 1993 Appendices: http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/polcorr.htm 2. From Cybernetics to Littleton: Techniques of Mind Control From Cybernetics to Littleton -- Techniques in Mind Control by Jeffrey Steinberg Printed in the Executive Intelligence Review , May 5, 2000. - Russell and the `Lethal http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/steinb.htm 3. Brainwashing: How The British Use the Media For Mass Psychological Warfare BRAINWASHING: How The British Use The Media for Mass Psychological Warfare by L. Wolfe Printed in The American Almanac , May 5, 1997. The Tavistock "Mother" The http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/warfare.htm 4. Wilhelm von Humboldt's Classical Education Curriculum Wilhelm von Humboldt's Classical Education Curriculum by Marianna Wertz Printed in The American Almanac , March 15, 1993. Why Classical Greek? Who Was Humboldt? The http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/humboldt.htm 5. From Cameralism to the American System THE ROOTS OF THE AMERICAN SYSTEM: From Cameralism, to the American System of Economics by Nancy Spannaus Printed in the American Almanac , 1996. The Cameralists in Italy http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/cameral.htm 6. FRIEDRICH VON HAYEK: FASCISM DIDN'T DIE WITH HITLER The Legacy of Friedrich von Hayek: Fascism Didn't Die With Hitler by Jeffrey Steinberg Printed in The American Almanac , September 23, 1995. The Austrian School Attack on http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/vonhayek.htm 7. For Whom The Polls Toll For Whom The Polls Toll by L. Wolfe Printed in The American Almanac , May 5, 1997. In The Beginning... Shifting Policy Big Business Notes Publications and http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/polls.htm 8. Commission To Be Formed Against The 'New Violence' Commission To Be Formed Against the "New Violence" by Dennis Speed Printed in the Executive Intelligence Review , March 5, 2000. - The long-wave cultural matrix - http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/commcall.htm 9. Heinrich Heine Only Genius Has A New Word For A New Thought Heinrich Heine (1797-1856) Only Genius Has A New Word For A New Thought by Elisabeth Hellenbroich. Translated by Rick Sanders. Printed in The American Almanac , December 8 http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/heine.htm 10. The Internal Crisis of Modern European Culture: The Renaissance vs. the Enli The Internal Crisis of Modern European Culture: The Renaissance vs. the Enlightenment by Helga Zepp-LaRouche Conference Speech, February 16, 1997, printed in the http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/helgaenl.htm --The Times saith: Mugabe must go, or Zimbabwe reverts to Rhodesians! >>>http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:09:33 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Extinction, property rights, and Bachman's warbler <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 11-MAR-2002 9:09 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Karen, since I know that you're even more local to its source than I am, have you seen the latest "The Skeptic," with its article by Lomberg?... it's darn good, but I haven't read any of Pimental's rebuttal, although it's short; he was the main heavy in Lombard's, it seems. I thought that the "10 Points o'Quackery," or wht ever, was quite amuzing, and tends to portray the problem with that ol' Greek cult, for example by using ad-hominemism as his #2 checkpoint for quacks, essentially. that is, unintentionally, he shows himself to be a bad, ol'skeptiK! wouldn't you rather be a Peripatetic, after all? thus quoth: This antropocentric understanding is at the core of Lomburg's recent book, "The Skeptical Environmentalist." In a review, Peter H. Gleick (Pacific Institute for Studies in Development, Environment, and Security, Oakland, California) writes "Lomborg's understanding of basic environmental science concepts and the nature of risk assessment are highly flawed. There are many examples, but perhaps the most egregious is his intentional and explicit disregard of ecology and the connections among environmental problems. As he admits at the beginning, his book is 'human-centered' and he considers the ecology of the planet to be of value only when it provides economic advantages and opportunities for humans: 'One cannot generally argue that these species [at risk of extinction] constitute an actual economic resource' (Lomborg 2001, p. 115). In the rest of his book, all of the work done in recent years exploring and highlighting the intricate connections between human health and ecosystem health is ignored, and all of the research on our failing natural ecosystems is deemed unimportant." I see this as the logical implementation of the Genesis passage, as are may other eventually-destructive paradigms of Western society. Not every society has the same understanding of nature and this mammal's assumptions about it. Many North American natives, among those in other cultures, did not share our concept that they should exploit and "have dominion over" it all. I understand that some Native Americans asked forgiveness of the deer or other animal they killed for food. The idea of property ownership, often a topic in these contributions, was nonexistent (in contrast to a tribe or subgroup's "turf," of course!). One very clear statement of this is provided by Willa Cather, in her semi-biographical novel "Death Comes for the Archbishop," where she describes Father Latour's observations about his Navajo friend Eusabio as they traveled for some days: "Traveling with Esubaio was like travelling with the landscape made human. ... When they left the rock or tree or sand dune that had sheltered them for the night, the Navajo was careful to obliterate every trace of their temporary occupation. He buried the embers of the fire and the remnants of food, unpiled any stones he had piled together, filled up the holes he had scooped in the sand. ... It was the Indian's way to pass through a country without disturbing anything; to pass and leave no trace, like fish through the water, or birds through the air." This contrasts the two perceptions of the natural world which I think are being discussed by Karen and Russ. Karen seems to put our stewardship of the natural world somewhat paternalistically. Maybe that is part of what Russ is reacting to. But perhaps her thought could be restated as "should we resist our plague species' propensity to "trash it all," just as we object to (other forms of) genicide?" --The Times saith: Mugabe must go, or Zimbabwe reverts to Rhodesians! >>>>http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:15:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: plane? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 11-MAR-2002 9:15 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I don't know if this missive came from either list, or was just some note from some guy. however, the answer is terribly obvious; eh? thus quoth: The French website has pictures of the Pentagon from Sept. 11. I looked at the pictures shown and, frankly, (despite my visceral reluctance to buy into another conspiracy) can't answer the questions raised. Maybe our readers can? Click on the French link (http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm) and let us know what you think. I have also viewed the MSNBC footage over two dozen times and I still can't see the plane. Can you? 1. The first satellite image shows the section of the building that was hit by the Boeing. In the image, the second ring of the building is also visible. It is clear that the aircraft only hit the first ring. The four interior rings remain intact. They were only fire-damaged after the initial explosion. How can a Boeing 757-200 weighing nearly 100 tons and traveling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour only have damaged the outside of the Pentagon? 2. The next two photographs show the building just after the attack. The aircraft apparently only hit the ground floor. The four upper floors collapsed toward 10:10 am. The building is 78 feet high. How can a plane 44.7 feet high, over 155 feet long, with a wingspan of almost 125 feet and a cockpit almost 12 feet high, crash into just the ground floor of this building? 3. Look at the photograph of the lawn in front of the damaged building. Where is the debris? Any debris! Did it all disintegrate on contact? 4. There are photographs, which show representations of a Boeing 757-200 superimposed on the section of the building that was hit. What happened to the wings of the aircraft? Why isn't there any wing damage? 5. One journalist asked: "Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?" At a press conference the day after the tragedy, Arlington County Fire Chief ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:51:02 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: B3 esp@cenet - Facsimile image display US3203144 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://gb.espacenet.com/ type in US3203144 Steve Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 11-MAR-2002 8:32 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > this didn't work. > > 14 pages of drawings of Fuller's Laminar Geodesic Dome patent at = > Espacenet (UK): > > = > http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=3Dgb&LG=3Den&DB=3DEPD&PN=3DUS32 > = > 03144&ID=3DUS+++3203144A1+I+ > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > > --The Times saith: Mugabe must go, or Zimbabwe reverts to Rhodesians! > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com > > -- Formactive http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:28:04 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: plane? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 11-MAR-2002 13:28 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us OK, I didn't read all o'the replies, yet, but it seems that most of the fuselage'd have burnt in the conflagration, although some people may've been thrown out, as well. if the thing hit the ground, firstly, taht'd explain the sole damage to the outer ring; would it? the real question is, how did the plane get to the Pentagon, after the towers had been hit, and was the fourth plane not really shot-down by the Air Force? or so, I have heard. --The Times saith: Mugabe must go, or Zimbabwe reverts to Rhodesians! >>>>http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 05:01:11 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Sean Sbragia Subject: Re: A design for a sustainable city. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/5/02 5:03:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, znpaaneah@YAHOO.COM writes: << znpaaneah@yahoo.com >> Yeah that's sounds great! I would love to see it! Sean Sbragia 512 Lincoln St. Apt 2 Eugene, OR 97401 SQSbragia@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:46:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Stuart Willett Subject: Re: A design for a sustainable city. In-Reply-To: <11a.d5a5ac0.29bf2be7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll mail it tomorrow, thanks --- Sean Sbragia wrote: > In a message dated 3/5/02 5:03:44 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > znpaaneah@YAHOO.COM writes: > > << znpaaneah@yahoo.com >> > Yeah that's sounds great! I would love to see it! > Sean Sbragia > 512 Lincoln St. Apt 2 > Eugene, OR 97401 > SQSbragia@aol.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:49:06 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's a really nice tool for designing tensegrigy/geodesic structures. And for looking into tet building elements. "Simple bits- Looking at the fluid, lifelike way these creatures walk and roll and slink across the screen you might think that there must be some very complicated stuff going on behind the scenes. well fear not, it's actually very simple. it only looks complicated because lots of simple bits are working together when simple bits work together you can get emergent behaviour. that means that the system as a whole can be more complex and sophisticated than the simple bits that it's made out of." http://sodaplay.com/constructor/how/works.htm Check out the zoo. Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 04:38:45 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Pope & Talbot v Canada <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 13-MAR-2002 4:38 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us it seems rather blithe to portray tariffs merely as irrational market forcings, when their raison d'etre was known to Hamilton, Carey, the Clays and Lincoln, in their noted battles against "British Liberal Free Trading;" eh? whereas a tariff on oil'd achieve some of the same ends as the reported OPEC move (we're supposed to be prepared for higher gasoline prices, "because" of the cartel) -- for OPEC members as well as for our own producers of energy (not just "fossilized") and users of it -- a user tax and/or Kyoto emmissions-trading scheme and/or cartel hike, all will have the salutary political effect of making energy, scarcer (salutary for a Greeniac .-) thus quoth: Subsidies and tariffs are an expression of an imbalanced power relationship. Friends should not support them, and should support treaties and organizations which seek redress. To the extent that the NAFTA and the WTO actually reduce subsidies and tariffs, Friends should support them as well. --les ducs d'Enron! http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 03:44:36 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] small nuclear weapons <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 15-MAR-2002 3:44 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us first-off, everyone seems to recall only the "TTAPS" study on nuclear winter, so-called, one of the first and that was published, as I recall, in *Sci.Am.* secondly is the presumption about what killed the dinosaurs, as if they all croaked at the same moment, or even in the same millennium (that's the simplest approach to refute the "bolide" hypothesis, at least as a one-hit wonder of nukey winter). (or, the presumption that irridium is brought only by ET sources, rather than by explosive vulcanism -- not simple eruptions, but catastrophes taht involve the collision of a ridge with a trench, say, although that is a bit of a nonsequiter using the "drift" model of plate tectonics, the latter deriving from the former.) the small bomb can power your laptop, til you need it to self-destruct! seriously, I recommend Charles Officer's book on the KT event, if you can find a remaindered copy, although it's rather overwrought with the emotion of his haveing been smeared by the pop-sci and academic outlets; natureally, that effects some of his argumentarium! thus quoth: That's the reason for all the concern about nuclear winter: if you drop a whole heck of a lot of bombs, lots of dust enters the air, and as we all learned 65 million years ago, this is not a good. Not to mention that enough bombs to generate nuclear winter kill lots of people. --les ducs d'Enron --censored by the Los Angles Public Library serfterms! http://www.larouchepub.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:02:11 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] small nuclear weapons <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 15-MAR-2002 4:02 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us just say, DU!... really, an interesting issue, although not because of the radiation in the heavy, scattered dust (and, perhaps, an insurance company has done the job of making it a non-issue in that regard). what do you think'd happen to the bombs that are decommissioned and *not* stored at (say) Yucca Flats -- how destroyed? the Administration has given us A Beautiful Market-based Way to deal with CO2, which includes the OPEC cartel that is the meat of the sandwich of the Protocol of the Elders of Kyoto (sik). at the same time, they've decommisioned the Hanford, Wash. site of the breeder reactor program ... and, you wonder, why it is that there's all o'this DU on the market for making paperwieghts, personal armor & heavy jewelry? thus quoth: Regarding Depleated Uranium, the the USA has not faced heavy armor where the DU munitions are most useful and most used. thus quoth: Again, illness from the radioactivity in depleted uranium is probably of less interest than from the radioactivity released by backyard BBQs. It is many orders of magnitude less interesting than the radioactivity released by coal power. It is many, many orders of magnitude less interesting than the health effects of the ammunition it supplied the cladding for. what really POs me is the EPA's fait-acompli with MtBE or ethanol; fossilbrains! --les ducs d'Enron; censored by the Los Angles Public Library serfterms! >http://www.larouchepub.com http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:43:26 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Lee Bonnifield Subject: Re: tensegrity tension Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > So the calculations say the same three tendons will still be pretty loose. Is > this still the case? Yes. All the other long tendons are taut and the strut ends are about 96" apart; but along these slack tendons the distances between the strut ends today are 93", 92", 86". The vertical struts are still floating, tho not as high as when I last gave you measurements, not sure why. The wind has blown it over a few times but nothing broke. The rocks under the 3 struts on the ground may be slightly different. Typically if I lift the end of the equator strut attached to a slack tendon, the tendon becomes tight just before the opposite vertical strut hits the ground, so when it is rocking it looks like it is bouncing off the ground but actually the strut doesn't hit, it is just the slack disappearing. >> I have a 625K .wav file that plays for 20 seconds, want it? > How big is it when you put it into a zip archive? Zipping only reduces it 7%. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:43:57 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: tets per vertex Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii More on the subject of the density of space. Or on prime volume and close packing. http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/1-1/laws_space.html Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:59:29 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: tets per vertex Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We can use this method to measure the Space warpage of any mass by measuring the angle of photon deviation around that object. I will call this warpage of Space around a mass the "Relative Space Warp" (RSW) and define it as being the Angle of Photon Deviation (APD) as measured in degrees and divided by 360 degrees with a correction for any interference that may be caused by the gravity of the observer's viewing site which I will call the Angle of Gravitational Interference (AGI). Obviously a more complicated version of this equation may be needed if there are more than one gravitational forces interfering with the APD, but the basic concept is the same as shown in figure 3 and expressed in the following equation. RSW = APD/360 - (sin(AGI) x APD/360) see Figure 3 at : http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/1-1/laws_space.html Now doesn't this equation seen somewhat similar the the randome equation: sin b=1-(alpha/360), where alpha is the curvature, or angular deficit, at a vertex, and beta is the angle between the axis of the vertex and the tragegrory. In this equation, the number of vertexes in a verton,(short for vertexion) is equal to 720/alpha. In a tetrahedron, alpha is 180 degrees. In a 720verton, alpha is 1 degree. On the other hand, maybe these two equations are unrelated. Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 04:28:11 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Flexcar <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-MAR-2002 4:28 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us er what is your Peripatetic definition of "all," therein? thus quoth: Wow! A ripoff of the witfiets idea of the Dutch hippies. Except that you didn't have to pay to use the white bicycles so they didn't have all the overhead requiring all the technology. --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 04:44:11 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: geodesic <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-MAR-2002 4:44 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us that's a very quaint use of words, herr doktor-professor Fischstichk; perhaps, you should go in the other direction from Asimov, back to the Golden Age with a time-spatializer of your own fantasy! thus quoth: I will call this warpage of Space around a mass the "Relative Space Warp" (RSW) and define it as being the Angle of Photon Deviation (APD) as measured in degrees and divided by 360 degrees with a correction for any interference that may be caused by the gravity of the observer's viewing site which I will call the Angle of Gravitational Interference (AGI). Obviously a more complicated version of this equation may be needed if there are more than one gravitational forces interfering with the APD, but the basic concept is the same as shown in figure 3 and expressed in the following equation. RSW = APD/360 - (sin(AGI) x APD/360) see Figure 3 at : http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/1-1/laws_space.html Now doesn't this equation seen somewhat similar the the randome equation: sin b=1-(alpha/360), where alpha is the curvature, or angular deficit, at a vertex, and beta is the angle between the axis of the vertex and the tragegrory. In this equation, the number of vertexes in a verton,(short for vertexion) is equal to 720/alpha. In a tetrahedron, alpha is 180 degrees. In a 720verton, alpha is 1 degree. On the other hand, well, some times, "OTOH" is all that it takes to achieve one's messy aim. anywway, your argument skips a few beats at "obviously," so you might go back (in time, as it were), several steps before that -- even if it means expunging the hole posting! also, of course, if g = APD/360, then RSW = g(1 - sinAGI). please, don't try to avoid the BS in your own QBS o'vertons, by digging this other BS, which may not even reach the level of Snell's law. --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 04:58:28 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] do we pay attention to the large issues? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 16-MAR-2002 4:58 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us depleted uranium (U-238) is a heavy metal; if it is fractionated in an explosion o'er the ground, it's trajectory is going to be exactly *this* far, but no further. thus quoth: I see nothing to contradict. However maybe I saw something recently to the effect that under certain conditions D.U. could go into the atmosphere and become an inhalable dust. _Y M M D_ whose initials are those? --les ducs d'Enron! >>http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:01:50 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: geodesic In-Reply-To: <200203161244.g2GCiBQ10823@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glad you asked. I have to update you on some new developments. Has to do with surfaces(triangles) and packings. Give me time. You know about the ratio of tets to vertexes in the IVM being 6:1, right? There are other ratios. And then there are non-nucleated packings, or vertons. Which side of the IVM are you talking about? IVM is zero phase. Dick --- Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings > 16-MAR-2002 4:44 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > that's a very quaint use of words, > herr doktor-professor Fischstichk; perhaps, > you should go in the other direction from Asimov, > back to the Golden Age with a time-spatializer > of your own fantasy! > > thus quoth: > I will call this warpage of Space around a mass the > "Relative Space Warp" (RSW) and define it as being the > Angle of Photon Deviation (APD) as measured in degrees > and > divided by 360 degrees with a correction for any > interference that may be caused by the gravity of the > observer's viewing site which I will call the Angle of > Gravitational Interference (AGI). Obviously a more > complicated version of this equation may be needed if > there > are more than one gravitational forces interfering with > the > APD, but the basic concept is the same as shown in > figure 3 > and expressed in the following equation. > > RSW = APD/360 - (sin(AGI) x APD/360) > > see Figure 3 at : > > > http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/1-1/laws_space.html > > Now doesn't this equation seen somewhat similar the the > randome equation: > > sin b=1-(alpha/360), > > where alpha is the curvature, or angular deficit, at a > vertex, and beta is the angle between the axis of the > vertex and the tragegrory. > > In this equation, the number of vertexes in a > verton,(short for vertexion) is equal to 720/alpha. In > a > tetrahedron, alpha is 180 degrees. In a 720verton, > alpha is > 1 degree. > > On the other hand, > > well, some times, > "OTOH" is all that it takes > to achieve one's messy aim. anywway, > your argument skips a few beats at "obviously," so > you might go back (in time, as it were), > several steps before that -- > even if it means expunging the hole posting! > > also, of course, if g = APD/360, then > RSW = g(1 - sinAGI). > please, don't try to avoid the BS in your own QBS > o'vertons, by digging this other BS, > which may not even reach the level of Snell's law. > > --les ducs d'Enron! > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:03:36 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Bob Burkhardt Subject: Re: tensegrity tension MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee Bonnifield wrote: > > >> I have a 625K .wav file that plays for 20 seconds, want it? > > > How big is it when you put it into a zip archive? > > Zipping only reduces it 7%. OK, I'm feeling adventurous. Send it to me. Don't bother zipping it. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:12:52 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: geodesic <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 17-MAR-2002 10:12 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I know no such thing; I almost configured it, now, just by (mentally) inventorying the tets at each vertex and the number in *each* tetrahedron, and 6:1 sounds awfully far off. anyway, how could that possibly save the appearances of your foolhardy construction of "vertons?" the neologism is enough to call for extreme punishment from us would-be philologists; eh? thus quoth: You know about the ratio of tets to vertexes in the IVM being 6:1, right? There are other ratios. And then there are non-nucleated packings, or vertons. Which side of the IVM are you talking about? IVM is zero phase. --les ducs d'Enron! > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:05:50 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: The Millers Subject: 18 ft. Plydome Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I am curious whether anyone has made any models or (gasp) structures from the plans I posted months ago. Steve Miller ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:45:24 -0600 Reply-To: prkosuth@midwest.net Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Kosuth Subject: Re: 18 ft. Plydome MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am afraid that I must have missed plydome plans. Could you repost or just send a copy to me ? Paul Kosuth prkosuth@midwest.net The Millers wrote: > I am curious whether anyone has made any models or (gasp) structures > from the plans I posted months ago. > Steve Miller ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:15:21 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Re: Property Rights <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 18-MAR-2002 13:15 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us _The Road to Serfdom_ can be taken as a sort of inside joke about the promotion of feudalism, that seems to the ultimate aim of Hayek and the "Austrian School." I don't balk at criticizing socialists, but to take Jacobinism as the minimal foundation of "freedom," is to engage in teh rather absurd -- even though such an ideology of "liberal free trade" is considered to be sacrosanct in all of our mainstream **** (media). for, that is what Hayek must mean, when he refers to democracy as a from of government, wihtout mentioning republics. it seems that he is a fraud, or a joker. I recommend the rather trying book, _The Ugly Truth about Milton Friedman_ for the background to this -- if you can find it. of course, the valorization of "pure democracy" is the same, as both "D" and "R" parties are doing, now, now that they have approximate funding parity, since the last presidential/congressional election (there are several antcedents to this event, most of which were mentioned, however briefly, in that mainstream. thus quoth: I cannot do any better than quote F.A. Hayek's _The Road To Serfdom_: Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." To allay these suspicions and to harness to its cart the strongest of all political motives--the craving for freedom -- socialists began increasingly to make use of the promise of a "new freedom." Socialism was to bring "economic freedom," without which political freedom was "not worth having." To make this argument sound plausible, the word "freedom" was subjected to a subtle change in meaning. The word had formerly meant freedom from coercion, from the arbitrary power of other men. Now it was made to mean freedom from necessity, release from the compulsion of the circumstances which inevitably limit the range of choice of all of us. Freedom in this sense is, of course, merely another name for power or wealth. The demand for the new freedom was thus only another name for the old demand for a redistribution of wealth. This is taken from a condensed and abridged version, available on the web at http://www.jim.com/hayek.htm . --les ducs d'Enron! > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:21:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: geodesic <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 18-MAR-2002 13:21 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us OK; since the tetrahedron is dual to the tetraasteron, it has 4 apices (vertices); as in the "VE" (cuboctoheron with struts to a center), you can see, how many tetrahedra are "on" each vertex. to check your result, looks at the 4 intersecting trigonated planes through the center of the VE (with hexagonal section), or the 3 intersecting tetragonal ones (with what section?) thus saith: I almost configured it, now, just by (mentally) inventorying the tets at each vertex and the number in *each* tetrahedron, and 6:1 sounds awfully far off. --les ducs d'Enron! > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:28:49 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: O-hi-O (a liquid Sun) <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 18-MAR-2002 13:28 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us did you see that full-page ad in the "YNE" (?) section of Sunday's NYTimes? I really dig the interpretation of the COBE results (and it's pretty funny), but I don't know, what "Mie scattering" is, although I can guess (from what I know about space, not from the name; as it is, the Times apparently soesn't do subscripts, just superscripts, so that might be "M-sub-ie," or some thing). now, the question is, did Eddington do that on purpose? I don't think, so, and have to agree with the OSU professor, that he just didn't read Kirchoff to well ... or some thing! --les ducs d'Enron! > > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:56:48 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Federal Action <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 18-MAR-2002 13:56 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, sorry that I didn't notice that this was for last week-end, but I'll do what I can. (note for the other list: I don't know if this'll have any effect at all on the Buckafkans, as most of them take a weird price in imitating Bucky's "being apoltiical" -- what ever in Hell that is supposed to mean !-) [actually, I know exactly, more-or-less, what it means, and I was clued into this by a Quaker who was on the list. it means, "The World According to Toynbee, Vanderbilt, Wilson, Churchill, Betty Dos et al ad vomitorium ... including Geroge Soros and Sir Karl's Open Society;" a.k.a. "the Enlightenment" -- notice that they didn't call it "The Road to Serfdom" !-] thus quoth: Dear Friends There is a very important reprehensible initiative is under way to subvert U.S. Senate procedures and get federal energy regulation voided - without any replacement language. I urge you to contact your senators to implore their vote against such folly and and ultimately disastrous effort against residential electric users. Take just a moment to call or fax your senator today! This is a weekend effort - this weekend. Michigan senators numbers are as follows. In Michigan.... Levin voice, 202-224-6221. fax 202-224-1388 Stabenow voice 202-224-4822. Fac 202-224-0325 More detail is given in my message to them below including my source. I write to urgently appeal for your vote against Title 2 of S. 517, the Comprehensive Energy Bill. It would totally remove regulation of electric utilities. That would be a disaster for residential energy users. Why someone could believe that now, in a time when we can only guess the repair this nation needs from the California disaster and the Enron disaster, that deregulation is clearly in the national interest can only suggest this is a sneak attack on this time-honored people-protective legislation. Only using a deliberate, respected and responsible procedure will the Senate be led to a responsible result. Thanks for your consideration....jb --les ducs d'Enron! > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:06:24 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] do we pay attention to the large issues? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 18-MAR-2002 14:06 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us maybe it's because, the U.S.Goment wants to get rid o'the ****, in the absence of a breeder reactor, or a Yucca Flats' eh?... oh; you suggested that! anywat, the "vapour" of DU will be carried on the wind a very *insignificant* distance, because a) it'll condense almost immediately into dust, that is b) really heavy. furthermore, U-238 is not particularly dangerous on contact, althoug ingestion could be a chemical problem -- if you can snort it down, low enough to the ground: this stuff will head to the lowest point of ground, and the water table (say, Death Valley .-) the "kinetic capacity" is the same as the "armour-piercing" one; it's just a matter of more heave per volume. you could also build a nice bunker out of it, but I dygress. thus quoth: The DU has *no armour piercing role* to play with such a weapon. The explosion will also carry enough heat to vapourize much of the DU, and a good portion will be deposited in the immediate area, and some will be carried on the wind for a significant distance before settling out depending on the weather conditions. The --les ducs d'Enron! > > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:11:17 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] do we pay attention to the large issues? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 18-MAR-2002 14:11 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us an ad-hominem argument isn't supposed to be kosher, even against the Military-postindustrial complex (say Hi, 'WAND' Corp. !-) the fact is that the vast mjority of these studies, such as the latest one with over 15,000 putative dead from atmospherical testing, are based -- as you can tell just by looking at the graphs -- on the 'linear no-threshold' paradigm, which is nothing but a graphical assumption about the "phase-space below the datapoints;" so, there. thus quoth: There are a lot of other folks out there that are not nearly as ready to "forget" about D.U. http://www.llrc.org/ http://cadu.members.gn.apc.org/ http://www.nukewatch.com/index.html people should be very careful about where they get their "facts" about low level radiation exposure...remember nuclear the industry is huge, and filled with well paid scientists whose job it is to cover this stuff up. --les ducs d'Enron! > > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:02:31 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Kosovo according to Halberstam <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 19-MAR-2002 6:02 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us sorry, I couldn't find any of the docs, but I do recall that a) Tony Blair and the lord-minister o'defense were totally unsuccesful, even with the backing of the Hollinger Corp., NYT, WSJ etc. ad vomitorium, in forcing Clinton into immediate groundtroop authorization at the NATO 50th shindig -- such that they called-off two press-conferences (meaning that it was "no news that is good news," per those mainstream sewers; only because EIR was there, most of the time, does anyone know about it). and that b) the assignation of blame for withheld targetting for bombers, to France, is a cover for the SAS, particularly for when the Serbian tanks rolled-in on the "safe area" around Srebnjica (sp.?) I will just include links taht I did come-across, cocerning some pervasive media mythology about the last, hysterical world empire: http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/irregs.htm http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/largest.htm http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/witches.htm http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2002/2911free_v_democ.html quote from thte latter, targetting Madame Albright: During the recent quarter-century, the official meaning of the word "democracy" in the U.S.A. had been shifted radically away from what it had signified during the Presidency of Franklin Roosevelt. That change occurred in the form of a shift away from sundry earlier, loose, rule-of-thumb understandings, toward a thoroughly nasty, narrow-minded coincidence with the pro-fascist dogmas of Bertrand Russell's accomplice Herbert George Wells. I emphasize the indisputably fascist intentions summed up by Wells himself in his 1928 The Open Conspiracy. Wells' book, which has served, continually since 1928, as the open pact among Fabian circles of Wells and Russell, is key to understanding the continuing basis for the rise of our nation's utopian political-military faction, during the time since the death of Franklin Roosevelt, and through the present day. That, in turn, is prerequisite for understanding the real challenge presently confronting the political system of the U.S.A., including its political parties. The present codification of the term "democracy," as signifying Wells' utopian schemes, is echoed in the trend toward establishing an imperial form of what is termed, in technically precise, academic language, as universal fascism. That signifies: the dissolution of the existence of the sovereign nation-state, in favor of a global imperial order, ruled through the mechanisms of military tyranny like those of the Roman legions which the Nazi Waffen-SS echoed. Typical is Samuel P. Huntington's proposed parody of that Waffen-SS, his The Soldier and the State. This trend is typified by utopians such as Zbigniew Brzezinski, his Huntington, Henry A. Kissinger, and other associates and other co-thinkers of the late Nashville Agrarian, Harvard Professor of government, William Yandell Elliott. Those are the oligarchical, American Tory circles merely typified by the Smith Richardson Foundation. Typical of the radiation of the Wells-Russell-centered "Open Conspiracy," to the present day, is the case of former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. She avowed publicly her own and her father's faithful debt to the doctrine of Wells, an announcement which she made even while she was serving as President Clinton's Secretary of State. Her ugly admission on that occasion points to the source of certain strategically significant, strident notes which erupted in Clinton Administration foreign policy, during her tenure. Out of Albright-linked Brzezinski's initiatives to that effect, sprang that present quasi-dictatorship over our nation's party system, which is known as "Project Democracy." "Project Democracy" is, in fact, a by-product of the continued drive of the imperial utopian faction toward establishing world rule under universal fascism. Incredible? It is sometimes difficult for persons trapped within a rolling barrel, to discover the direction into which they are being maneuvered. --les ducs d'Enron! > > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:09:16 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Re: ethics, property rights, & "natural capitalis <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 19-MAR-2002 6:09 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us it is ludicrous to infer that someone is dysEnlightened, based upon the ribald definition of that era, just as it is shameful to dyss one's "old anachronistic ideas of human potential," especially with regard to a USA that is certainly not the embodiment of his "libertarian" ideals (God save the Queen; she can do that, two !-) thus quoth: It is about enlightened, cooperative, scientific, and nature based voluntary simplicity, and sustainable industrial conversion (among other things) again...get with the times! and out of your old anachronistic ideas of human potential! --les ducs d'Enron! > > > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:30:54 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: geodesic In-Reply-To: <200203171812.g2HICqn15247@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay, you seem ready for this. First, what is the volume of the spheric domain, the rhdodeca? 6 Next, add a vertex to a polyhedron(now verton), what do you get? 3 new edges and 2 new faces. Guess what you get when you add a vertex to the _inside_ of the IVM? You get 12 new vector edges and 6 new tets. Also, I have it on good info. And as far as the word verton goes, give me a better one, please. I've asked you this before. What do you want to call a spherical, non nucleated, omnitriangulared structure? You have to name it by its number of vertexes, just like Bucky said. He called it vertexion, which is a bit cumbersome. Dick --- Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings > 17-MAR-2002 10:12 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > I know no such thing; > I almost configured it, now, > just by (mentally) inventorying the tets > at each vertex and the number in *each* tetrahedron, and > 6:1 sounds awfully far off. > anyway, > how could that possibly save the appearances > of your foolhardy construction of "vertons?" > the neologism is enough to call for extreme > punishment > from us would-be philologists; > eh? > > thus quoth: > You know about the ratio of tets to vertexes in the IVM > being 6:1, right? There are other ratios. And then > there > are non-nucleated packings, or vertons. > > Which side of the IVM are you talking about? IVM is > zero > phase. > > --les ducs d'Enron! > > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:53:58 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: tets per vertex or the density of space MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a quote from the page cited below. I think we can determine the density of space from the number of tets per vertexes in a packing. "We can use this method to measure the Space warpage of any mass by measuring the angle of photon deviation around that object. I will call this warpage of Space around a mass the "Relative Space Warp" (RSW) and define it as being the Angle of Photon Deviation (APD) as measured in degrees and divided by 360 degrees with a correction for any interference that may be caused by the gravity of the observer's viewing site which I will call the Angle of Gravitational Interference (AGI). Obviously a more complicated version of this equation may be needed if there are more than one gravitational forces interfering with the APD, but the basic concept is the same as shown in figure 3 and expressed in the following equation. RSW = APD/360 - (sin(AGI) x APD/360)" see Figure 3 at : http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/1-1/laws_space.html Now doesn't this equation seen somewhat similar the the randome/verton equation: sin b=1-(alpha/360), or, alpha=360-360 sin beta, where alpha is the curvature, or angular deficit, at a vertex, and beta is the angle between the axis of the vertex and the vector edge. In this equation, the number of vertexes in a verton,(short for vertexion) is equal to 720/alpha. In a tetrahedron, alpha is 180 degrees. In a 720verton, alpha is 1 degree. On the other hand, maybe these two equations are unrelated. Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:44:50 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: what ****ing Empire, do you mean? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 20-MAR-2002 8:44 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us wow; is the Danube still blocked? if so, that is rather amazing. I seem to recall that some bridges were rebuilt, though, across it. as for Canada and what was formerly known as the Holy B.Empire, the magical spell that has been cast upon these Subjects is as great, as it is empty. I will simple quote from 3 aricles that I'd just referenced: According to the official Canadian document, ``The Role and Structure of the Privy Council Office,'' published in Ottawa by the Privy Council in December 1996, there is a Canadian Privy Council Coordinator of Security and Intelligence, and a Security and Intelligence Secretariat, which both report directly to the Queen, in her capacity as Sovereign over Canada. The Secretariat is chaired by the Clerk of the Privy Council, the Queen's personal administrator. According to a source at the Privy Council Office in Ottawa, the Canadian system is almost certainly a carbon-copy of the structure of the British Empire's central Privy Council in London, although no similar document exists, corroborating that structure. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Military outreach (http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/irregs.htm) In the minds of many leading world figures, including in Russia, the ``enemy image'' of the British Empire of old, has been replaced by that of a modern ``imperial power,'' the United States of America. The authorship of both of these complementary hoaxes--the demise of the British Empire, and its replacement by the U.S.A. as the new ``Great Satan''--is traceable to Britain's own vast propaganda and intelligence apparatus, associated with such institutions as British Broadcasting Corp., Reuters News Service, the Hollinger Corp., the Tavistock Institute, the Mont Pelerin Society, Oxford and Cambridge universities, the British Commonwealth, and His Royal Highness Prince Philip's World Wildlife Fund. With the recent enthusiastic revival of the century-old Anglo-French Entente Cordiale, French intelligence agents and propagandists have joined in the America-trashing campaign, especially inside Russia. From Khartoum, to Moscow, to Buenos Aires, among policymakers and culture-shapers, this British-orchestrated game of historical revisionism has taken deep root. Its disorienting effect has opened the door to possibly grave and irreversible policy blunders. Hence, this EIR strategic study. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Strategic Importance of Debunking the Myth (http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/largest.htm) According to Goldberg's questionable account, it was only when Tripp learned that her secret taping of Lewinsky had been illegal, that she went, on Jan. 12, 1998, to Kenneth Starr. ``They moved with snakelike speed,'' Goldberg told the New Yorker, describing the zeal with which Starr's office arranged for the FBI to wire Tripp for a face-to-face session with Lewinsky the very next day. Tripp was also instantly granted complete immunity from prosecution. At this time, Starr did not have any mandate to probe the Clinton-Lewinsky matter. Asked by the New Yorker why she got involved with Tripp, Goldberg sounded just like a gangster moll: ``I did it because it's f--king fascinating! I love dish. I live for dish.'' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Behind Regnery's doors (http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/witches.htm) thus quoth: Canada doesn't have that much wealth. American corporations own much of what we used to have, before Free Trade. Canada has few Empire aspirations,... look at the size of our army. It wouldn't matter if we did have Empire aspirations, we couldn't do anything about it. We can't even defend out own coastline, but thankfully nobody tries to invade us. We exist due to the kindness of others not destroying us. there's a myth that the Japs or Arabs own way-too-much of USA wealth, whereas the British (restricted to England) are the foreigners with the largest ration. it is really too bad, that Lincoln was unable to invade Canada, in line with the Monroe Doctrine; it may be too late to evict the "Queen o'the Damned!" --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:23:09 EST Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Mark Stehly Subject: Re: what ****ing Empire, do you mean? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey, fine folks N' fellows Oh, Canada has a major redeeming factor thrown in this week their mainstream TV had Mike Ruppert on @ primetime with the show Reasonable Doubts concerning the 9-11 tragic debacle. Indy media has the downloadable video @ http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/03/118760.php And for the resident Mena, arkansas doubter heres the site http://www.maraleveritt.com/ for the legal summaries confirming Mike Rupperts (copvcia.com) statements concerning the train deaths. Oh, Canada gets further redemption from recent history when 400,000 canucks told her majesty to F**K OFF as far as gun registration. If only our 2nd Amendmenters would take a page from here and tell Congress to F**K OFF the 2nd amendment 1nce and for all ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:01:43 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: geodesic <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 20-MAR-2002 14:01 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I made a mistake in the address, and this ******* "PEN" has never been fixed in almost ten years, very purposefully. I honestly can't tell what you're trying to say, and the word that's a good, Greek dual to "polyhedron" has been found: POLYGON. however, due to copyleft problems in Flatland, we are going with the neologism (that Bucky'd just love, I'm quite sure, as the Screaming Navigator) -- POLYASTERON. is my royalty in the mail? "randome" is a big piece de poop of a concept, because (saith Bucky) "energy hath shape" or else (always-and-only). I gather that you, "Dickstein," are merely representative of Buckafkans, because of his opus, _S_, and its plain lack of any direction, as to classical sources of constructive geometry. well, except for the big, fat, glowing arrow in the dedication, to a guy who has written tons of "how-to-do-this-Yusef" books, some on a rather super-elementary level. so, go away and play with it, please! thus quoth: First, what is the volume of the spheric domain, the rhdodeca? 6 Next, add a vertex to a polyhedron(now verton), what do you get? 3 new edges and 2 new faces. Guess what you get when you add a vertex to the _inside_ of the IVM? You get 12 new vector edges and 6 new tets. Also, I have it on good info. And as far as the word verton goes, give me a better one, please. I've asked you this before. What do you want to call a spherical, non nucleated, omnitriangulared structure? You have to name it by its number of vertexes, just like Bucky said. He called it vertexion, which is a bit cumbersome. and "verton" is just an abbreviation of that ****! --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/Funny.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:05:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: geodesic In-Reply-To: <200203202201.g2KM1hd05759@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you can't see that by putting the vector equalibrium, the VE, at the vertexes of the IVM, then jitterbug the entire arrangement we get a conceptual 4 dimensional omnisymetrical energy/space acounting system, then we can't take this to the next level. Asterion, not verton? I'd rather say verton. It's easier. How can your 2 dimensional polygon be the dual of the 3 dimensional polyhedron? I'm just shortening Bucky's vertexion. Vertexes, not astars, are what is important, even if they refer to the same thing. Dick --- Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings > 20-MAR-2002 14:01 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > I made a mistake in the address, and > this ******* "PEN" has never been fixed in almost ten > years, > very purposefully. > I honestly can't tell what you're trying to say, > and the word that's a good, Greek dual to "polyhedron" > has been found: > POLYGON. however, > due to copyleft problems in Flatland, > we are going with the neologism (that Bucky'd just love, > I'm quite sure, as the Screaming Navigator) -- > POLYASTERON. > > is my royalty in the mail? > > "randome" is a big piece de poop of a concept, because > (saith Bucky) "energy hath shape" or else > (always-and-only). > I gather that you, "Dickstein," are merely > representative > of Buckafkans, because of his opus, _S_, and > its plain lack of any direction, as to classical sources > of constructive geometry. well, > except for the big, fat, glowing arrow in the > dedication, > to a guy who has written tons of "how-to-do-this-Yusef" > books, > some on a rather super-elementary level. > so, go away and play with it, please! > > thus quoth: > First, what is the volume of the spheric domain, the > rhdodeca? 6 > > Next, add a vertex to a polyhedron(now verton), what do > you > get? 3 new edges and 2 new faces. > > Guess what you get when you add a vertex to the > _inside_ > of the IVM? You get 12 new vector edges and 6 new tets. > > Also, I have it on good info. > > And as far as the word verton goes, give me a better > one, > please. I've asked you this before. What do you want to > call a spherical, non nucleated, omnitriangulared > structure? You have to name it by its number of > vertexes, > just like Bucky said. He called it vertexion, which is > a > bit cumbersome. > > and "verton" is just an abbreviation of that ****! > > --les ducs d'Enron! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/Funny.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 05:28:19 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Re: ethics, property rights, & \"natural capitali <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-MAR-2002 5:28 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Friend Nelson (n.b., I'm not a Friend, just a phrend), this is largely scholarly hearsay about Pearl Harbour (sik), as clever as FDR was (Teddy was the true, anglophilic imperialist, of course); here's the citation from a search: ... of choices. This echoes the competent forms of practice of general staff war-planning, such as the U.S. war plans Red and Orange, in which the Japan bombing of Pearl Harbor was long foreseen as a critical point of decision for both ... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2001/2805_laputa.html --les ducs d'Enron! ... of choices. This echoes the competent forms of practice of general staff war-planning, such as the U.S. war plans Red and Orange, in which the Japan bombing of Pearl Harbor was long foreseen as a critical point of decision for both ... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2001/2805_laputa.html http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 05:44:32 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Empire & empires.... <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-MAR-2002 5:44 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us such a book must be a virtual testament to an ivory tower, and I include a search on "Padua University," since it is of such historical interest for your once-and-future empires: ... of the imposition of the same aprioristic notion commonly underlying both the mortalist, neo-Aristotelean doctrine of Padua's notorious Pietro Pomponazzi, and the so-called empiricist, Voltairean, or Enlightenment tradition of ... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2000/lar_systems_... When Economics Becomes Science ... and his successors. This revived science was, tragically, replaced by the Latin-like neo-Aristoteleanism of Venice's Padua,[12] and, even worse, that empiricist method of Venice's Paolo Sarpi. It is from Sarpi's empiricism that the ... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1998/lar_eco_becomes_... The Descent to Bush from Man by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. ... implicitly, that "commodities are produced by commodities." [ 6 ] That absurd proposition, as argued by Cambridge University's Piero Sraffa, [ 7 ] is consistent with the derivatives of the logical-positivist Lausanne School of Leon ... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1996/descent_to_bush.html The Issue of Mind-Set ... the professed neo-Aristotelean and mortalist Pietro Pomponazzi.[64] In the political-strategic realm, Venice's and Padua's weapons were chiefly its role in bringing about the A.D. 1453 Ottoman conquest of Constantinople, and also ... http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2000/2709_mind-set.html thus quoth: http://www.thestranger.com/2001-08-16/books.html k It is, in many respects, an impossibly difficult book, long and full of arcane references to Plotinus, Louis Althusser, and a plethora of other erudite figures and ideas. We can't help you with those details, but we thought a general map of Empire's central concepts would make the arduous journey a little easier. Empire What Hardt and Negri call an "Empire" is the successor of 19th-century imperialism. Best exemplified by British and French colonial domination, imperialism was characterized by territorial domination over certain societies, mostly in Africa and Asia. The European national state organized this form of exploitation, and Europe acted as a cultural, political, and economic metropolis orbited by distant colonies. The British Empire, for example, had to establish rigid boundaries between itself and the French Empire in order to ensure its competitive economic advantage over the latter, and white Londoners had to be differentiated from colonial subjects to justify the massive flow of profits from the periphery (Johannesburg, Hong Kong) to the center. Imperialism functioned by producing limits. Traditional imperialism, however, did not survive World War II. What arose from its ruins was Empire, a new system of domination that no longer separated "inside" (ruling country) and "outside" (colony). Empire aspired to "globality"--a world with no boundaries, a world in which First and Third Worlds are inseparably intermingled: Fifth Avenue and Harlem, Mexico City and Chiapas, Beverly Hills and South Central, and so on. Biopower But how is Empire to establish domination over global populations without the police powers of a nation-state? Hardt and Negri's answer lies in the idea of "biopower" (literally "power over life"). ah, for the latter, please see the button on my site, whose URL ebds in /irregs.htm. --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 05:56:29 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: geodesic <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-MAR-2002 5:56 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us you are just concatenating words, "Dick." just *telling* me that *you* can "see" this crap, does not mean that you have a valuable clue, other than the use of a typewriter (or a tongue-stick). you've specialized in trolling the web, and compiling the offage into ad hoc "models" that go to where, there is *no* where. as for "polygon," it is only "flat" if "gon" is defined as a planar angle, but it can be defined as the angle of *any* apex (the solid angle e.g.) -- as I stated, again, before. if you read much o'Bucky, you'll see that "-asteron" is closer to what he *means*, than -"vertexion," although that is perfectly deployable in English and Latin geometry-speak. but, is it cool?... I think, not (therefore am, not .-) thus quoth: If you can't see that by putting the vector equalibrium, the VE, at the vertexes of the IVM, then jitterbug the entire arrangement we get a conceptual 4 dimensional omnisymetrical energy/space acounting system, then we can't take this to the next level. Asterion, not verton? I'd rather say verton. It's easier. How can your 2 dimensional polygon be the dual of the 3 dimensional polyhedron? I'm just shortening Bucky's vertexion. Vertexes, not astars, are what is important, even if they refer to the same thing. --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 06:06:42 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Bush's Election in Florida <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-MAR-2002 6:06 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I spent a lot of time covering this stuff, as a member of the LACounty Dem Central Cmte. (although not by the time of the virtual nuremberg-rally of a convention, about which I know more than is healthy, I guess). in the course of being kept from turning my papers of nomination in, to expose the role of the 'WAND' Corp. as a nexus of the B2KCmte. (while running for Council in SM), I wrote this stuff "up," ad vomitorium, as you can see at http://quincy4board.homestead.com/politique.html. but, here's The Nation article by Bugliosi, with the proviso that his booklength "amplification" actually show that the Gore team did nothing in defense, even with a "2' warning" from Rhenquist (but he didn't show any of the reasons as to *why* this was so). http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010205&c=1&s=bugliosi --les ducs d'Enron! >>http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:55:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-p] Empire & empires? <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 21-MAR-2002 7:55 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us thus quoth: The Commonwealth, which includes one of every three nations on this planet, comprises the largest single voting bloc in the UN General Assembly, making the Warsaw Pact at the height of Soviet Russian power, pale by comparison (see Figure 1). The City of London dominates the world's speculative markets (see (Table 1). A tightly interlocking group of corporations, involved in raw materials extraction, finance, insurance, transportation, and food production, controls the lion's share of the world market, and exerts virtual ``choke point'' control over world industry. In a recent column in the Club of the Isles' flagship publication, the London Times, Washington, D.C. Sunday Times bureau chief James Adams candidly admitted that the banking houses in the City of London are now laundering $400 billion per annum in illegal narcotics profits. The British Commonwealth subsumes many of the world's most notorious flight-capital and hot-money havens. The Mont Pelerin Society, the radical-free market secret organization founded in 1947 by Friedrich von Hayek, and patronized today by Prince Philip, maintains the most accurate accounting ledgers on the world's underground economy. How is that possible? Because the Club of the Isles, since the era of the Opium Wars against China, and the escapades of Lord Palmerston's personal agent Giuseppe Mazzini in the last century, has been the leading sponsor and controller of global organized crime. The importance of Club of the Isles control over organized crime cannot be understated. Lord William Rees-Mogg, a life peer in http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/largest.htm --les ducs d'Enron! > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:28:21 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Fuller Book Cover - Nine Chains to the Moon Comments: To: acoates@vermontel.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Art, Glad you found what you were looking for. It amazes me how many = editions of 9 chains there are! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Art Coates=20 To: Joe S Moore=20 Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:47 AM Subject: RE: Fuller Book Cover - Nine Chains to the Moon Hi Joe, I finally did find a copy of the cover I was looking for, and I = think it may be one you don't have. It was with a listing on eBay = (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1524091650). Since = the auction ends in 12hours, I have attached a copy of the image for you = to see. Thanks again for your time and effort - I really appreciate it! Thanks again, Art ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:47:25 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: geodesic In-Reply-To: <200203211356.g2LDuTw10366@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > you are just concatenating words, "Dick." > just *telling* me that *you* can "see" this crap, You don't have to see it. You can count. Count vertexes, or events, or asterons, just count them. > does not mean that you have a valuable clue, other than > the use > of a typewriter (or a tongue-stick). > you've specialized in trolling the web, and > compiling the offage into ad hoc "models" that go to > where, > there is *no* where. > > as for "polygon," it is only "flat" if > "gon" is defined as a planar angle, but it can be > defined > as the angle of *any* apex (the solid angle e.g.) -- > as I stated, again, before. > if you read much o'Bucky, you'll see that > "-asteron" is closer to what he *means*, > than -"vertexion," although that is perfectly deployable > in English and Latin geometry-speak. but, > is it cool?... I think, not (therefore am, not .-) So, you want me to say asteron? I'll say asteron. What ever you want to call then. The name isn't a concern of mine. Let's get on with the discussion of what one is and is not. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:34:58 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leif Thor Subject: Hi I'm new to the group In-Reply-To: <20020322164725.94477.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My name is Leifur Thor and I'm a student of Bucky's and an Anticipatory Design Scientist, of which I hope there are others out there as well. I'm new to discussion groups in general as well, so if this post is in error, please let me know. lthor@earthlink.net If anyone's interested in my occupation and wants to find out more, I have a site (that's early stage bare bones) at- http://www.thordesign.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:08:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] vacation in Palestine <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 22-MAR-2002 9:08 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us such reactions seem to be the fruit or stopping, only at the end of the headline, re this Administration's strategy on energy policy. now, according to a local paper's account of Gorby's Green Cross show at the Marina Marriot hotel, he's hoping (re his critique) that Bush will finally sign the Protocol of the Elders o'Kyoto (sik), this summer (?). meanwhile, the endless dribble of controversy over "Mind Kampf" (sik; the movie "about" John Nash), as in today's LATimes Calendar section by a Princeton-grad mathematician, refuses to quite use the short-hand that his mathematics is known, invariably within the community (at the 'WAND' Corp. e.g.), simply, as "nonco-operative gametheory," while also pretending that it is not being used as the Royal Robot Arm to move the Invisible Hand (God save Betty Dos!) and is the greatest thing since sliced, whole-wheat breadsticks. of course, the Adnimistration is 100.44% behind this core of the "emmissions-trading scheme" of the Protocol; do you deny that? what *I* deny is that this alleged subserviance of the oyunger Bush is pro-USA, or that he is necessarily as dumb as lui pere chez cursus honorum! good luck on your West Bank vacation; what a trip! thus quoth: America indeed... I wonder if is it true what they say on TV... that ALL americans now fully accept that their government (and own true sons) can go out and exert lethal violence anywhere in the world just so we can buy gas under $2 a gallon? in the future how many more human beings will we eventually have to kill to keep the price under $3? how about $4? At the current rate that is a lot of dead men,women, boys and girls! (oops, I mean "evil" dead "terrorists"...) I don't have any children yet, but it is still dead clear to me that Trent Lott and all who fall for that texas hogwash (the majority of the senate apparently) are the biggest threats to national security that this country faces! I for one want to live in a SECURE America that becomes that way by getting - off- the oil habit...and soon. !And these oily oilmen who stole the white house are willing to sell us every last drop we are willing to guzzle,.. and they'll apparently bomb anyone they have to in order to keep getting it cheap. Hell, what do they care! it's OUR money that pays for it all....bombs AND oil! (oh, yeah! they make $ off the bombs too) if you "check the math," you'll see that Al, Jr., also has two generations of oil co. (Oxy) backing (and he sold half of the Naval Strategic Reserve to Oxy at a dime on the dollar, to wheel the gas to California; can you say, "**** you all, Hollywood!" ?-) beside o'which, Al's wicked performance in Arkansas is what lost him the election, by those 3 Electoral College votes, not Clinton's not campaigning there for him; addition giveing you a headache? --les ducs d'Enron! > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:45:02 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Buckminster Fuller Master Index Comments: To: Joe DiVanna MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Mr DiVanna, Thank you for pointing me to your website. I would be interested in = reading the section of your book where you discuss the impact Bucky had = on you. =20 You are in my website because at one time you were listed in the = Buckminster Fuller Institute's newsletter as a member. The purpose of my website is to help people decide what, if anything, = they might want to do about the ideas & information Bucky left behind. = That's especially why I have the Index which helps people to see what = others are doing--or not doing. I will update your entry in the Index. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe DiVanna=20 To: joemoore@cruzio.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: Buckminster Fuller Master Index Dear Mr. Moore, I noticed that I am listed in your Buckminster Fuller Master Index and = I thought I would let you know that I mention Bucky's impact on my life = in my new book Redefining Financial Services: The New Renaissance In = Value Propositions published by Palgrave the scholarly imprint of = Macmillan and St. Martin's Press, ISBN: 0-333-99552-X.=20 Can you tell me a little about your Fuller project?=20 Cheers, Joseph DiVanna CEO Maris Strategies Limited Cambridge, England Tel: 01223 257726 Internet: www.marisstrategies.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:07:56 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Hi I'm new to the group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lief, You may find some things of interest to you on my website below: Welcome aboard. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leif Thor" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: Hi I'm new to the group > My name is Leifur Thor and I'm a student of Bucky's and an Anticipatory > Design Scientist, of which I hope there are others out there as well. > > I'm new to discussion groups in general as well, so if this post is in > error, please let me know. > > lthor@earthlink.net > > If anyone's interested in my occupation and wants to find out more, I have a > site (that's early stage bare bones) at- > > http://www.thordesign.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:57:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: A City of Peace for the New Millenium Comments: To: znpaaneah@YAHOO.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stuart Willett, Thank you for sending me your paper. Please forgive me for not = responding sooner. I had a real bad cold for a week & am only now = catching up with my correspondence. I read your 14 page paper; very impressive. I have never heard of a = design like yours before. It all seems to make sense. You obviously = have spent a great deal of time thinking about the design of your city. I only have 2 suggestions: 1. Use tensegrity technology in the design of the enclosing dome. This = will cut down greatly on the weight & cost. = http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeTenseg.htm 2. Use tensegrity octahedra = http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/OctaIrregTensegTruss.htm & tensegrity tetrahedra technology = http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetTensegTrusIntro.htm in the design of the spiral cone mountain. Again, this will cut down on = the cost. See also: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/OctetTrusIntro2.htm http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-T.htm (scroll down to = "Tensegrity") Using tensegrity principles, Fuller worked out the design of domes 2 = miles in diameter! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 01:08:40 -0500 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Julie Martineau Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm new to this group, and I'm interested to know more about what was said before about building a city and who plans to do this. After, I will introduce myself more. Anything about the subject of new and sustainable urban plans interest me. Thank you very much! Julie Martineau ************************** The Living Room Resource Center Ecology, Nature Conservation, Recycling, Sustainable Development Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe S Moore" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: A City of Peace for the New Millenium Stuart Willett, Thank you for sending me your paper. Please forgive me for not responding sooner. I had a real bad cold for a week & am only now catching up with my correspondence. I read your 14 page paper; very impressive. I have never heard of a design like yours before. It all seems to make sense. You obviously have spent a great deal of time thinking about the design of your city. I only have 2 suggestions: 1. Use tensegrity technology in the design of the enclosing dome. This will cut down greatly on the weight & cost. http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeTenseg.htm 2. Use tensegrity octahedra http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/OctaIrregTensegTruss.htm & tensegrity tetrahedra technology http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetTensegTrusIntro.htm in the design of the spiral cone mountain. Again, this will cut down on the cost. See also: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/OctetTrusIntro2.htm http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-T.htm (scroll down to "Tensegrity") Using tensegrity principles, Fuller worked out the design of domes 2 miles in diameter! ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:12:19 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Hi I'm new to the group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Thor- Welcome. There are Bucky related groups you may not know about. Synergeo, domesteading and domehome are out here, too. Dick --- Leif Thor wrote: > My name is Leifur Thor and I'm a student of Bucky's and > an Anticipatory > Design Scientist, of which I hope there are others out > there as well. > > I'm new to discussion groups in general as well, so if > this post is in > error, please let me know. > > lthor@earthlink.net > > If anyone's interested in my occupation and wants to find > out more, I have a > site (that's early stage bare bones) at- > > http://www.thordesign.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:19:05 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium In-Reply-To: <004d01c1d231$2e607b70$7a77fea9@muslix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Julie- Welcome. Do you know that this group is archives and searchable at: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/geodesic.html Dick --- Julie Martineau wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to this group, and I'm interested to know more > about what was said > before about building a city and who plans to do this. > After, I will > introduce myself more. Anything about the subject of new > and sustainable > urban plans interest me. > > Thank you very much! > > Julie Martineau __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:21:05 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Joe- Are there actual plans for this big dome? Are they at Stanford or at your site? Dick > Using tensegrity principles, Fuller worked out the design > of domes 2 miles in diameter! > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:22:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Stuart Willett Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium In-Reply-To: <20020323141905.20437.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a design for a city that uses approximately 1% of the land of a comparable city. (a model for 500,000 people uses 2.2 square miles, while Tucson Arizona uses 225 square miles). The city is designed to be enclosed in a dome and be built in arid regions. There is a rooftop garden (2.2 square miles), a different type of transportation grid that maximizes the use of mass transit, bicycles, and pedestrian traffic. The city is designed to recycle and reuse all water and waste. It has a very unique way of transporting all garbage and waste to the collection center. In every way this city is designed to be completely sustainable, yet it is also designed to be a wonderful and attractive place to live. The design is approximately 30 pages long which includes a section on Return on Investment. The ROI analysis is broken into three sections: initial savings on construction, an ongoing dividend, and finally Intangible benefits. I view the "dividend" (savings on various expenses that comparable cities have to pay) as being analagous to a dividend that is triple tax free (since no one pays tax on money they don't have to spend). So I compare the dividend to what you would receive if you had a municipal bond. Based on that analogy living in the city would be similar to giving each resident a municipal bond worth $270,000. (This is merely one of the benefits). I have mailed a number of copies out, mostly in this country but also Israel, Canada, and now Saudi Arabia. I have received some very valuable feedback on the dome by a well respected expert in that field (he is currently reviewing the design). Someone else is helping me get it posted to a web site, but until then I still send it by snail mail. (If you want to review it I need a mailing address) Thanks. (PS I first published this design in 1996 buried in the middle of another work. A man whose interest is experimental cities was working with the design up until a year ago -- the land he acquired had contaminated groundwater so he backed out) --- Dick Fischbeck wrote: > Hi Julie- Welcome. Do you know that this group is > archives > and searchable at: > > http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/geodesic.html > > Dick > > --- Julie Martineau wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm new to this group, and I'm interested to know > more > > about what was said > > before about building a city and who plans to do > this. > > After, I will > > introduce myself more. Anything about the subject > of new > > and sustainable > > urban plans interest me. > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > Julie Martineau > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:32:25 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 23-MAR-2002 3:32 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us why is it that "contaminated groundwater" is such a bug-a-boo?... if you've got water, you've got the main thing that y'need for habitation; eh? of course, I know *how* it has been made such a problem by the EPA et al ad vomitorium! your financial approach is certainly alike Bucky's "$400K grant per annum," if a bit more perspicuous. thus quoth: that analogy living in the city would be similar to giving each resident a municipal bond worth $270,000. (This is merely one of the benefits). I have mailed a --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:37:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] A Revolutionary Proposal... <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 23-MAR-2002 3:37 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us people who buy into "ZEVs" are certainly idealists. now, as in the corporate terminology known as "fossilized fuels," "internal combustion" has been made into a sort of de-facto criminal technology, though thou art that; et tu? anyway, isn't most of this covered by various constitutional provisions, namely, the "general welfare" clause? thus quoth: Now Robert, wouldn't your little amendment, if it were enforced aggressively, for starters drive the internal combustion engine off the market? "To the extent that auto companies can't find a way to make the internal combustion engine work without emitting pollutants into the air, yes, it would," he says. "I prefer to think that it would spur the auto industry to find a way to make money for its shareholders that doesn't poison their air at the same time. It can be done." Hinkley wants zero pollution. He would phase in his amendment over 10 or 15 years. "We say -- we are going to move from where we are today to no pollution in 10 or 15 years," he says. "And we expect corporations to make progress all the way through." Isn't your amendment way too broad, and vague -- "Not at the expense of the environment, the dignity of employees, the public safety?" Your former colleagues at Skadden Arps are going to have a field day with this. Not at all, he says. The securities laws operate largely on the basis of companies being prohibited from making "false and misleading statements." "By not spelling this out in greater detail, companies are generally more cautious," he says. "When it comes to the public interest, whether its the integrity of the securities markets or the environment, this is a good thing. I would expect the same results for my amendment." "The language of the amendment is quite clear," he says. "It says we no longer want corporations to pollute, engage in unsustainable development, violate human rights, put dangerous products into the marketplace -- or leave them there once their danger is understood -- leave our communities in economic ruin by closing down plants and simply moving away, pay employees less than a living wage." "Like the Bill of Rights, the language of the code is such that it can change with the culture over time." Wait a second, Robert. A corporation is not allowed to profit at the expense of "the dignity of employees"? --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:45:30 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Bush's Election in Florida <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 23-MAR-2002 3:45 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us mister Palast didn't know about the 53,000 votes that Al, Jr. stole in the Arkansas Dem Primary, thus insuring his loss to George by 50,000 in the general election; what were the demographics of those folks? thus, I could offer several alternate explanations for his chapter-headings; eh? thus quoth: HOW GEORGE W. BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION Since the publication of his award-winning Salon.com report on the selection b named Politics Story of the Year 2000 b Palast has dug even further into the scandal that brought George W. Bush into the White House. This new information is available for the first time in his forthcoming book THE BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY CAN BUY --les ducs d'Enron! >>http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 21:44:22 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leif Thor Subject: Re: Hi I'm new to the group In-Reply-To: <20020323141219.59920.qmail@web20512.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks Dick, I'll check them out:) Leifur > From: Dick Fischbeck > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:12:19 -0800 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Hi I'm new to the group > > Hi Thor- Welcome. There are Bucky related groups you may > not know about. Synergeo, domesteading and domehome are out > here, too. > > Dick > > --- Leif Thor wrote: >> My name is Leifur Thor and I'm a student of Bucky's and >> an Anticipatory >> Design Scientist, of which I hope there are others out >> there as well. >> >> I'm new to discussion groups in general as well, so if >> this post is in >> error, please let me know. >> >> lthor@earthlink.net >> >> If anyone's interested in my occupation and wants to find >> out more, I have a >> site (that's early stage bare bones) at- >> >> http://www.thordesign.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards? > http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 04:56:54 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Stuart Willett Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium In-Reply-To: <004d01c1d231$2e607b70$7a77fea9@muslix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone have the costs on the Eden project? --- Julie Martineau wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to this group, and I'm interested to know > more about what was said > before about building a city and who plans to do > this. After, I will > introduce myself more. Anything about the subject of > new and sustainable > urban plans interest me. > > Thank you very much! > > Julie Martineau > ************************** > The Living Room Resource Center > Ecology, Nature Conservation, Recycling, Sustainable > Development > Montreal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe S Moore" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:57 AM > Subject: A City of Peace for the New Millenium > > > Stuart Willett, > > Thank you for sending me your paper. Please forgive > me for not responding > sooner. I had a real bad cold for a week & am only > now catching up with my > correspondence. > > I read your 14 page paper; very impressive. I have > never heard of a design > like yours before. It all seems to make sense. You > obviously have spent a > great deal of time thinking about the design of your > city. > > I only have 2 suggestions: > > 1. Use tensegrity technology in the design of the > enclosing dome. This > will cut down greatly on the weight & cost. > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeTenseg.htm > > 2. Use tensegrity octahedra > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/OctaIrregTensegTruss.htm > & tensegrity tetrahedra technology > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetTensegTrusIntro.htm > in the design of the spiral cone mountain. Again, > this will cut down on the > cost. > > See also: > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/OctetTrusIntro2.htm > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-T.htm > (scroll down to > "Tensegrity") > > Using tensegrity principles, Fuller worked out the > design of domes 2 miles > in diameter! > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 05:14:08 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Stuart Willett Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium In-Reply-To: <004d01c1d231$2e607b70$7a77fea9@muslix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone have links to the Old Man River City project? Thanks --- Julie Martineau wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to this group, and I'm interested to know > more about what was said > before about building a city and who plans to do > this. After, I will > introduce myself more. Anything about the subject of > new and sustainable > urban plans interest me. > > Thank you very much! > > Julie Martineau > ************************** > The Living Room Resource Center > Ecology, Nature Conservation, Recycling, Sustainable > Development > Montreal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe S Moore" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:57 AM > Subject: A City of Peace for the New Millenium > > > Stuart Willett, > > Thank you for sending me your paper. Please forgive > me for not responding > sooner. I had a real bad cold for a week & am only > now catching up with my > correspondence. > > I read your 14 page paper; very impressive. I have > never heard of a design > like yours before. It all seems to make sense. You > obviously have spent a > great deal of time thinking about the design of your > city. > > I only have 2 suggestions: > > 1. Use tensegrity technology in the design of the > enclosing dome. This > will cut down greatly on the weight & cost. > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeTenseg.htm > > 2. Use tensegrity octahedra > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/OctaIrregTensegTruss.htm > & tensegrity tetrahedra technology > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetTensegTrusIntro.htm > in the design of the spiral cone mountain. Again, > this will cut down on the > cost. > > See also: > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/OctetTrusIntro2.htm > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-T.htm > (scroll down to > "Tensegrity") > > Using tensegrity principles, Fuller worked out the > design of domes 2 miles > in diameter! > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:05:07 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium In-Reply-To: <20020324131408.48803.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joe Moore has info for you. Dick --- Stuart Willett wrote: > Does anyone have links to the Old Man River City > project? Thanks > --- Julie Martineau wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm new to this group, and I'm interested to know > > more about what was said > > before about building a city and who plans to do > > this. After, I will > > introduce myself more. Anything about the subject of > > new and sustainable > > urban plans interest me. > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > Julie Martineau > > ************************** > > The Living Room Resource Center > > Ecology, Nature Conservation, Recycling, Sustainable > > Development > > Montreal > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joe S Moore" > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:57 AM > > Subject: A City of Peace for the New Millenium > > > > > > Stuart Willett, > > > > Thank you for sending me your paper. Please forgive > > me for not responding > > sooner. I had a real bad cold for a week & am only > > now catching up with my > > correspondence. > > > > I read your 14 page paper; very impressive. I have > > never heard of a design > > like yours before. It all seems to make sense. You > > obviously have spent a > > great deal of time thinking about the design of your > > city. > > > > I only have 2 suggestions: > > > > 1. Use tensegrity technology in the design of the > > enclosing dome. This > > will cut down greatly on the weight & cost. > > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeTenseg.htm > > > > 2. Use tensegrity octahedra > > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/OctaIrregTensegTruss.htm > > & tensegrity tetrahedra technology > > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/TetTensegTrusIntro.htm > > in the design of the spiral cone mountain. Again, > > this will cut down on the > > cost. > > > > See also: > > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/OctetTrusIntro2.htm > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Domes-T.htm > > (scroll down to > > "Tensegrity") > > > > Using tensegrity principles, Fuller worked out the > > design of domes 2 miles > > in diameter! > > > > ============================== > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > > ============================= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:06:23 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: geodesic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian, I didn't get a response from my last post on this thread. Also, I have redefined the meaning of the term asteron, aka. verton. An asteron/verton/vertexia is named by the number of spheres in a randome packing. I had been saying an asteron was named by the number of spheres in its shell. I now realize that by packing spheres one at a time to a collection of spheres(starting with 4), each big sphere is unique. More later. Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:56:22 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: geodesic <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 25-MAR-2002 12:56 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us you're playing us for dupes, "Dick," althoough I doubt that anyone has bothered with this dialog by *reading* it, just as they've stayed out of typing into it, for some time. your "definition" is so fuzzy, it's impossible to tell what in Hell you're trying to do, and you probably don't know. it had been left for me, apparently, to grab the obvious, that Bucky was trained at a place called Mitlon Academy, in constructive geometry, but you haven't bothered with any of it. in truth, all that you need to ascertain is "iff:" the necessity & sufficiency of any hypothesis, which does subsuem the assumed definitions & axioms -- you have to know those. you could never state your hypothesis, or make one, without most of that stuff. so, why don't you make a list of some of those things, and try them out? thus quoth: An asteron/verton/vertexia is named by the number of spheres in a randome packing. I had been saying an asteron was named by the number of spheres in its shell. I now realize that by packing spheres one at a time to a collection of spheres(starting with 4), each big sphere is unique. "randome," my ass! --Mugabe must go; don't ask, Why! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:22:49 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Christian Solidarity Worldwide <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 25-MAR-2002 13:22 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us thus quoth: Baroness Cox is also one of the Directors of The Christian Standard (http://www.amen.org.uk/christianstandard/). The Christian Standard appears to be a very High Church (i.e., theologically and ritually conservative) Anglican-oriented publication. I quote without comment from the mission statement on their entry page: "Britain has a largely unwritten constitution, but the framework of our nationbs government is based on laws and precedents which make the nation accountable to Almighty God. The Coronation Oath has a central commitment that is supported by all of the leaders of the nation that the country will be governed according to the laws of God and the true expression of the Gospel message. Yet, through recent laws as evidenced in the decline of the Christian standards in the nation as whole, we are breaking that Oath. The people of Britain are largely unaware of this as the drift into relative morality is reinforced through government, media and educational systems." --Mugabe must go; don't ask, Why! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:28:30 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Bush's Election in Florida <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 25-MAR-2002 13:28 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us it may be counterintuitive, but I saw this tabulation in both the L.A.Times and the N.Y.Times, on their front pages. in actuality, as shown in Bugliosi's book, _None Dare Call It Treason_ (and the title refers to the intent on the Supremes, as well as that there's no actual law which they broke), the Gore team did nothing to defend themselves. the fact that Al made a deal with the Supreme Court, as well, and *before* the election, may never be known to the public at large, although I suppose that it is in the records of the SC (simply, they denied an appeal). thus quoth: Bill Martin: This is absolute nonsense. That is completely contrary to all the reports which I read. The conclusion of the Miami paper was that Bush would have won. If you ruled in favor of the Democrats on every challenge, then of course Gore would have won. If you gave Gore all of the double and triple votes, then Gore might have won. But law provides if you vote for more than one person, your vote is not counted. You are further advised in the voting booth that if you make a mistake you are entitled to get a new ballot (up to three). Give us a break. --Mugabe must go; don't ask, Why! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:44:03 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Christian Solidarity Worldwide <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 25-MAR-2002 13:44 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us this is the 3rd time that I've tried to post this, today. the bombing of the al-Shifa plant in Sudan was *NOT* because the CIA told President Clinton to do so. as you'd know from the article in *Vanity Fair* about the attempts of Sudan to help the USA investigate al Queda (and so on), the CIA has no operational basis in Sudan. (the fact that Madam Albright and co., including the current Director of the NSC, chose to dyspute this article in such ham-handed terms, should tell you some thing, although the author's rebuttal does help .-) it was Xian Solidarity's co-thinkers in the USA, commonly a.k.a. "the religious rightwingnuts," who testified in Congress on the so-called slavery, that they had created with their gigantic bounty. one must look into the recent history of Sudan, which is one of the few examples in Africa, where the British were kicked-out, wholsale (althogh Mugabe got close to that .-) --Mugabe must go; don't ask, Why! > > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ thus quoth: Baroness Cox is also one of the Directors of The Christian Standard (http://www.amen.org.uk/christianstandard/). The Christian Standard appears to be a very High Church (i.e., theologically and ritually conservative) Anglican-oriented publication. I quote without comment from the mission statement on their entry page: "Britain has a largely unwritten constitution, but the framework of our nationbs government is based on laws and precedents which make the nation accountable to Almighty God. The Coronation Oath has a central commitment that is supported by all of the leaders of the nation that the country will be governed according to the laws of God and the true expression of the Gospel message. Yet, through recent laws as evidenced in the decline of the Christian standards in the nation as whole, we are breaking that Oath. The people of Britain are largely unaware of this as the drift into relative morality is reinforced through government, media and educational systems." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:56:51 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: team cqa Subject: Re: geodesic In-Reply-To: <200203252056.g2PKuMS02639@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable hi mr hutchings,=20 do you have a site where i can purchase an aluminum dome? i'm already living in a 40 foot diamerter wooden one,, want to look at other possiblities. thank you for your help. frank spencer > De: Brian Hutchings > Responder a: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Grupos: bit.listserv.geodesic > Fecha: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:56:22 -0800 > Para: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Asunto: Re: geodesic >=20 > <> Brian =BFQuincy! Hutchings 25-MAR-2002 12:56 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us >=20 > you're playing us for dupes, "Dick," althoough > I doubt that anyone has bothered with this dialog > by *reading* it, just as they've stayed out > of typing into it, for some time. > your "definition" is so fuzzy, > it's impossible to tell what in Hell you're trying to do, > and you probably don't know. it had been left for me, > apparently, to grab the obvious, that Bucky was trained > at a place called Mitlon Academy, in constructive geometry, > but you haven't bothered with any of it. >=20 > in truth, all that you need to ascertain is "iff:" > the necessity & sufficiency of any hypothesis, > which does subsuem the assumed definitions & axioms > -- you have to know those. > you could never state your hypothesis, or make one, > without most of that stuff. so, > why don't you make a list of some of those things, and > try them out? >=20 > thus quoth: > An asteron/verton/vertexia is named by the number of > spheres in a randome packing. I had been saying an asteron > was named by the number of spheres in its shell. I now > realize that by packing spheres one at a time to a > collection of spheres(starting with 4), each big sphere is > unique. >=20 > "randome," my ass! >=20 > --Mugabe must go; don't ask, Why! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:41:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] A Revolutionary Proposal... <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 26-MAR-2002 8:41 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us I just read an excerpt of Engels "finish-up" of _Das Kapital_, in which joint-stock partnerships are exalted as a way to make "capitalism" socialized (in a book whose cover & title is, _How to Stop the Nuclear Nightmare_, vis-a-vu the US and the SU). of course, that was a British innovation, so taht's what they knew about, the author explained; otherwise, "das kapital" is taken simply to mean "the money," or the kinky love thereof, in quiet contradystinction to a) the coining of the term by Gauss and b) the tepid formulation of the the American (protective etc.) System of political economy, known as Keynesianism. philologists, revolt! of course, Enron is just the tip of the iceberg, as it were, for those known as *rentiers-financiers*, and they basically bought-out the Dem Party in the 2000 election, at last, with the abolition of Glass-Steagall etc. ad vomitorium, and the continued screaming from Wall Street and its Mother (the City) for deregulation of every sundry sort. what you are calling, capitalism, is properly called, Brtish Liberal Free Trade; please, start doing so, and God save the queen! thus quoth: > Call for a return to responsible capitalism. This is an oxymoron. There is no such thing. It's like saying that we need a kinder, gentler form of oppression. They start off by saying that the Enron type of scandal is "a profound and malignant mutation that has taken place in American capitalism." This is to be expected. Every time you have capitalism based on competition it will reduce to this if given time, and the more time goes by, the worse it will get. If you don't believe me, just wait and see. --Mugabe Sends Observers to the USA Past! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:36:15 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: site Comments: To: synergeo Comments: cc: Patrick Salsbury MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here is a new site about randome. It is a beginning for me. It will improve. alpha =720/vertexes alpha=360-sinbeta360, where alpha is the angular deficit and beta is the angle between the strut and the axis of the vertex. http://www.washedashore.com/randome/ Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:40:40 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: astron or re:geodesic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian- Now that I have adopted your suggestion of terms, do you agree that an astron is a spherical collection of spheres? And why not can a hollow shell of spheres a verton? Checked your nuclides recently? Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:43:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: geodesic <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 27-MAR-2002 7:43 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us what an implausible jerk this guy is. he hasn't seen (as far as I know) any support for his alleged concepts, and hasn't hashed it out with any one but myself, and the only random thing about it is his trolling for vaguely-related pages that could seem to support him, by dint of having certain words embedded therein. he's having the same problem as the many-universes crowd: no hypothesis as to how he got into this, one -- so it could be any, one! that's what "randome" means: eat ****, live & be happy! thus quoth: It will improve. alpha =720/vertexes alpha=360-sinbeta360, where alpha is the angular deficit and beta is the angle between the strut and the axis of the vertex. http://www.washedashore.com/randome/ It will improve. alpha =720/vertexes alpha=360-sinbeta360, where alpha is the angular deficit and beta is the angle between the strut and the axis of the vertex. http://www.washedashore.com/randome/ --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:45:31 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: geodesic <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 27-MAR-2002 7:45 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us no, I don't know what in Hell you're trying to say; can you be a lot more specific, or are you just going to blather-on? thus quoth: Brian- Now that I have adopted your suggestion of terms, do you agree that an astron is a spherical collection of spheres? And why not can a hollow shell of spheres a verton? Checked your nuclides recently? --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:48:16 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] US and Latin America <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 27-MAR-2002 11:48 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us mister Williams, the extreme upwing Canadianess of your views is apparently caused by the Entity Formerly Known as the Holy British Empire, which was reconstituted by Royal Edict in the '70s ... and its vast neolin/neocon media oligopolies, such as the Hollinger Corp., the Canadian co. with more newspapers in the USA, than any other. just ask Lord Conrad, who's on a new Board! do you believe every thing that you see, in an Mike Myers vehicle? (well, a lot ofit is true, such as: mister Meyers playing the hero *and* Dr.Evil, known in British colonial parlance as "gang-countergang.") the CIA is not the largest intelligence agency on this planet, by quite a ways; dig? thus quoth: I can find lots of work, but none of it pays." You can't take away the freedom of a people and make them dependant on you, then claim that you're noble for fulfilling the needs of their dependency. That's the "shell game" that the capitalists are playing over and over again with the third world. They use the IMF, the World Bank, the CIA and their "military advisers." They use the School of the Americas. They rig elections. They "destabilize" nations, and they pump out a lot of propaganda about how they are fighting drug dealers, or communism, or terrorism, but it always means more starvation, pollution, and death for the third world and more profits for the multi- nationals. capital isn't money, nor the love of it; that is totally back asswards. --les ducs d'Enron! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:08:53 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] US and Latin America <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 27-MAR-2002 12:08 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us Bartley represented the intersection of two British-steered groups: the neo-conservatives and the Mont Pelerin Society. The neo-cons--many of them former Bukharanite communists--hate the nation-state and industrial development. A typical example is Irving Kristol, a former leftist who is close to British as well as Israeli intelligence. During the 1970s, Kristol was Professor of Social Thought at New York University, and a mentor to Bartley. In 1976, Bartley made Kristol one of the Journal's Board of Contributors, giving him regular space on the editorial page. Irving Kristol's son William, the editor of the Standard, is one of the leaders of the attacks on the U.S. Presidency. The Mont Pelerin Society is the financier oligarchy's elite organizing center, pushing austerity and globalization of markets, and especially the illegal and drug economy. Milton Friedman, a founder of the Mont Pelerin Society in 1945, headed up the University of Chicago School of monetarist economics. In the early 1970s, one of the University of Chicago boys, economist Art Laffer, began to meet with Bartley at a restaurant in New York City, along with Columbia University economics professor Robert Mundell and economist Jude Wanniski, who then was working at the Journal. A hero of this group, whom Bartley praises to this day, is French economist Jean-Baptiste Say (1767-1832), a radical free trader and popularizer of Adam Smith. In his Treatise on Political Economy, Say designated the nation-state as the enemy; any attempt to impede the markets is tyranny, he said. Within this context, Say emphasized supply over demand. In December 1974, Bartley approved a Journal editorial-page exposition of the Laffer-Mundell curve, which purported to show that, as regulations and taxes are cut, growth occurs, and as a result, tax revenues rise, closing the budget deficit. This Mont Pelerinite quack nostrum came to be known as ``supply-side economics.'' It would be the vehicle for calling for cuts in the capital gains tax, and was introduced through Rep. Jack Kemp (R-N.Y.) in 1981, and became the Kemp-Roth tax bill, which passed the Congress. In the meantime, the Journal sold this program to Ronald Reagan, and it became the basis of Reagan's economic program. While speculation grew, so did the budget deficit. Contrary to the Journal's predictions, the Federal budget deficits for the eight years Reagan was President totalled $1.3 trillion, an amount larger than the outstanding debt that the U.S. government had accumulated in the 192 years of its existence, from 1789, until 1981, when Reagan took office. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Support for Volcker --les ducs d'Enron! > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/wallst2.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:31:15 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] US and Latin America <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 27-MAR-2002 12:31 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us well, I can't find it on their site, but I'd seen the "libertarian" critique of this new book that is supposedly about Empire by two "lefties," and I was surprized to find that the U o'Padua guy is under house arrest -- "that'd make Galileo envious" -- for his involvement (some how) in the assassination of PM Aldo Moro. it should be noted, though, that Italy had tried to extradite Sir Henry the K., because Moro's wife said he'd threatened him! there's an interesting article online,from March, about H.G.Wells _The Time Machine_ and eugenics; that's Fabianism, for you, I guess! http://www.reason.com/ Support for Volcker > >--les ducs d'Enron! >> >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:48:17 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: geodesic In-Reply-To: <200203271545.g2RFjVn16151@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am talking about a spherical cluster of spheres. Call it a cloud, if you want. It has an inside and an outside. It has a shell with a specific number of sheres in it and it has a specific number of spheres contained in it. What is the thingy that you want to call an asteron? Guess I have to check your site. --- Brian Hutchings wrote: > <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings > 27-MAR-2002 7:45 > r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > > no, I don't know what in Hell you're trying to say; > can you be a lot more specific, or > are you just going to blather-on? > > thus quoth: > Brian- Now that I have adopted your suggestion of > terms, do > you agree that an astron is a spherical collection of > spheres? And why not can a hollow shell of spheres a > verton? > > Checked your nuclides recently? > > --les ducs d'Enron! > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:47:26 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: milton academy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Who is John? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:08:47 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: team cqa Subject: Re: astron or re:geodesic In-Reply-To: <20020327004040.60266.qmail@web20512.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hey can any of you earthlings hook me up with a manufacturer / seller or metal aluminum geodesic domes, PLEASE? molleja > De: Dick Fischbeck > Responder a: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Grupos: bit.listserv.geodesic > Fecha: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:40:40 -0800 > Para: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Asunto: astron or re:geodesic > > Brian- Now that I have adopted your suggestion of terms, do > you agree that an astron is a spherical collection of > spheres? And why not can a hollow shell of spheres a > verton? > > Checked your nuclides recently? > > Dick > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards? > http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:10:06 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: astron or re:geodesic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try Temcor! team cqa wrote: > hey can any of you earthlings hook me up with a manufacturer / seller or > metal aluminum geodesic domes, PLEASE? > > molleja > > >>De: Dick Fischbeck >>Responder a: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >> >>Grupos: bit.listserv.geodesic >>Fecha: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:40:40 -0800 >>Para: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >>Asunto: astron or re:geodesic >> >>Brian- Now that I have adopted your suggestion of terms, do >>you agree that an astron is a spherical collection of >>spheres? And why not can a hollow shell of spheres a >>verton? >> >>Checked your nuclides recently? >> >>Dick >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards? >>http://movies.yahoo.com/ >> > -- Formactive http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:45:23 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Christian Solidarity Worldwide <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 28-MAR-2002 9:45 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us the "nonprofit corp." whose server we're using, is not "carrying-out" our dyscussion, and you can't sue *me* for saying what I think herein, even if I'm not a Quaker ... which isn't exactly organized ... "How low is a Quaker church?" what you should question is the vast multitude of NGOs/nonprofs that are meddling in the affairs of Americans and citizens of other nations, to wit Zimbabwe, Sudan etc. as has been suggested to you, Friend, repeatedly, is that the following doesn't fit to this "violation" taht you believe in. thus quoth: No substantial part of the activities of XXXXX shall consist of promulgating propaganda, or otherwise attempting to influence legislation. The corporation shall not participate in, or intervene in, any political campaign, on behalf of any candidate for public office, or publish or distribute any statements with respect to any such campaign, nor shall the corporation engage in any transactions described in the Internal Revenue Code as "prohibited transactions" which would disqualify the corporation as an "exempt corporation" within the meaning of said Internal Revenue Code. --les ducs d'Enron! http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:04:55 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: geodesic <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 28-MAR-2002 10:04 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us was it John Brawley, or was it Steve Waterman, or was it "Dick Fischtichk?" anyway, the conjecture about the 7-ball packing was wrong, although I didn't state it; just nesting the 7th ball in a face of the octahedral pile does it, better. thus quoth: Who is John? --les ducs d'Enron! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/MiltonAcademy.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:21:01 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: geodesic <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 28-MAR-2002 11:21 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us why do yuo say that a cloud is "random?" you see, you simply have no hypothesis to look at, let-alone to test. for example, seven balls will have that conformation, if squeezed-together by a shrinkwrap "hull;" what is "randome" about that? when I say "octahedral pile plus one nestled in a facet," I'm referring to the centers of the spheres as vertices (or apices or astera), just as in the usual usage in the IVM etc. so, it is actually a lot more indicative to refer to a hexasteron, rather than an octahedron, and to a heptasteron for the 7-ball thing. note that all of the balls are on the outside, with none on the inside of the membrane (they're touching it, that is). it is merely an insanely loose pile o'conjectures by John Brawley, that there is anyhting to deal with that is "random," aside from the IVM. are you sure you two are not the same one? thus quoth: I am talking about a spherical cluster of spheres. Call it a cloud, if you want. It has an inside and an outside. It has a shell with a specific number of sheres in it and it has a specific number of spheres contained in it. What is the thingy that you want to call an asteron? Guess I have to check your site. --les ducs d'Enron! > >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:34:12 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: astron or re:geodesic Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Molleja, Try http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Index/Dome-Dt.htm (scroll down to "Manufacturers") ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "team cqa" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:08 PM Subject: Re: astron or re:geodesic > hey can any of you earthlings hook me up with a manufacturer / seller or > metal aluminum geodesic domes, PLEASE? > > molleja ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:40:31 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julie & Stuart, Please see http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCrater.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Willett" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 6:14 AM Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium > Does anyone have links to the Old Man River City > project? Thanks > --- Julie Martineau wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm new to this group, and I'm interested to know > > more about what was said > > before about building a city and who plans to do > > this. After, I will > > introduce myself more. Anything about the subject of > > new and sustainable > > urban plans interest me. > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > Julie Martineau > > ************************** > > The Living Room Resource Center > > Ecology, Nature Conservation, Recycling, Sustainable > > Development > > Montreal ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:07:49 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] living in the superpower <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 29-MAR-2002 6:07 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us re the pentagon: next to the 17-gon, my favorite flatlander objet d'art. let me hypothesize that the "satanic" lore of the pentagram (the star-shape) was emphasized, if not created wholly, by anthropologists, when it became associated with the flag of the republic and its 13 states ... and perhaps the unluckiness of 13, in spite of Jesus' coven! as for "climate change," the real problem is its continuous, automatic conflation with "global warming," the circa 1896 "model" of Svente Ahrrenius, which is clearly bad, as can be seen in the qua-daily reports of new records in both directions on the scale of temperature, in any season, at any altitude. viz, a big berg sidles away from a massive, floating "shelf" alongside Antarctica, and, therefore, "The sky is glowing!" of course, one has to adjust for the "urban heat islands," and not just *say* that you did, as per the meta-studies of the UNIPCC; they don't actually do any real studies -- do they? -- and there suggestions in that regard are not orders unto the "climate modelling community;" are they? I agree, though, that the "fossileum community" doesn't really care about ANWR, although it must be said that its reputed production, as a *ration* of our daily, current use, is quite considerable, esp.since Gore sold half of the Naval Petroleum Reserve to Oxy. they seem to be positioning us for spkies in the prices, with Shell and BP positioning themselves to ship LNG from various points around the USA, like Canada, Jamaica, Mexico, East Timor -- and *that* really makes me feel lie a republican: funding the establishment of a new, jacobin "democracy!" thus quoth: Additionally, the US is the only industrial country, so far as I know, where a media and political voice are given people who disagree that climate change is here and we're causing it and it's serious. Jon Carroll (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/0 3/2 8/DD129529.DTL) says, "(L)ots of real worries expressed by real scientists get short shrift these days. I'm not sure when working Ph.D.s became the equivalent of guys in tinfoil hats channeling Pluto, but it's happened." The emphasis on symbolism predominates. Rice is considered one of the people in the Bush adminstration most interested in addressing climate change, and that is because, I heard her say, it's an important European political issue, not because it is important in its own right. well, how-about sanctions against Michigan, where Gore lost the Democratic primary, and against Arkansas, where he stole 53,000 votes in the primary; eh? --Mugabe must go! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:19:52 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: "Xian Solidarity" (sik) <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 29-MAR-2002 7:19 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us > "Austin Powers" has the same premise as does "James Bond," > with a more-explicit subtext of the "British Invasion" of the '60s > (which was largely a re-tooling of American Blues etc.), but > that premise is a Big White Lie. > as to why it should be assumed that a British "charity," > Christian Solidarity, operating in a British colony > taht was one of the few to kick their masters, out, > should be a "CIA front," was any reasoning given for that? > > Baronness Cox was the head of the Office of Overseas Devolpment, > or what ever it's called, which was formerly known > as The Colonial Office. people in "the Sudan," at least, > are quite aware of this. > > thus quoth: > It is consistent with the pattern of lies that surround Cuba > coming from right-wing organizations. In fact it *comes* from one > of those organizations led by a raving lunatic. The CSW fits the > profile of a CIA controlled organization and echos their views and > supports the CIA's objectives financially in the Sudan. Again, > what more do you want? > > oy heil! > (that's the official greeting of a "British Israelite" > to others of the klan -- Aryan Nations e.g. ... > just kidding .-) > you could say that > CSW is trying to curry favor with such groups, though. > > --Mugabe must go! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:19:25 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Stuart Willett Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, I'll check out these references. --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Julie & Stuart, > > Please see > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCrater.htm > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Willett" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 6:14 AM > Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium > > > > Does anyone have links to the Old Man River City > > project? Thanks > > --- Julie Martineau > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm new to this group, and I'm interested to > know > > > more about what was said > > > before about building a city and who plans to do > > > this. After, I will > > > introduce myself more. Anything about the > subject of > > > new and sustainable > > > urban plans interest me. > > > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > > > Julie Martineau > > > ************************** > > > The Living Room Resource Center > > > Ecology, Nature Conservation, Recycling, > Sustainable > > > Development > > > Montreal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 03:47:22 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Cuba etcetera <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 30-MAR-2002 3:47 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us did you see Krugman's article in the NYTimes on Brock's book?... I had no idea, taht Brock was not working at the paper, when he was consulting for Enron. there was some other thing that he mentioned, re media gossip-writ-large. as for the Commonwealth (so-called, and most of you Subjects are clueless as to the portent of the Royal Focus Group in changing the name), it is the largest "free trade" block that is ensconced in the General Assembly (no matter, how serious other African nations -- or just the 3-judge panel, a-hem -- were in putting Zimbabwe on probation). Amnesty is a thoroughly British, not to say English, group, and contantly dysplays this bias in its work, though some of it's good (the report on the USA prisons e.g.) oh, yeah, I recalled Krugman's icon in the article, George "the golem of the SE Asia Crisis" Soros, whose whole carreer is dedicated to the destruction on nation-states in the elufive purfuit of "democracy, pure & fimple." naturally, that George was trained at the LSE, the latter-day successor to Hailyboro College! thus quoth: I agree with Dhanesh's comments on Amnesty/Cuba. I recommend Reinaldo Arena's autobiography "Before Night Falls" (it was also made into a film recently) which describes being gay in Cuba, his oppression and imprisonment. Towards the end of the book he escapes to the States and says something like "Life in a Western democracy is not necessarily fairer, but at least here you able to scream about it, instead of sing pro-government songs. I came here to scream" Condemning Cuba does not imply being pro-US. Amnesty does run campaigns that criticize human rights abuses many Western countries, but never asks the citizens of those countries to write the letters, in case they run into trouble. As as UK Amnesty member, I've run off a few letters complaining about US human rights abuses. I know the UK government also comes under fire, especially for its ruthless treatment of asylum seekers on entry. --Mugabe must go; don't ask, Why! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:02:42 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] living in the superpower <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 30-MAR-2002 4:02 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us let me point some thing out to you, that was told to me, as I haven't seen the the director's cut of the screenwriter's fantasy of John-boy Nash (and if you don't think that he wasn't *hereditarily* antisemitic, then you didn't skim the book, and that probably goes for Arabs and Mormons, three !-) aroound the scenario of the Nobel Prization (technically, it's called the Swedish Bank's Special Prize in Economics, or some thing, apart from the other prizes in other outre fields), it's mentioned that the "nonco-operative gamestheory" that Mash devized, were used in the FCC auctions of the EM spectrum in the USA. now, the dystinction between "co-operative" and "non- games is rather simple, although the "meatmarket metaphor" really is concerned with a simple co-operative one, if only in terms of the nightly score-keeping (so, not really, folks .-) the LATimes just had a little mis-en-scene of the pundit and the professor, and the latter has managed to be almost perfectly obfuscatory, as befits the popularizer (not the dyscoverer, but maybe the first to grok, what in Hell Zafdeh (sp.?) was doing) of "fuzzy logic." in any case, the centerpiece of the Protocol of the Elders of Kyotos (sik) is, the same thing as the FCC has been using, with all the blessings of all of the financier-rentiers, and all of the Bushes and all of the Gores, unto at least two oil-company related generations. can you say, "178 super-OPEC nations have signed this thing, and George did not, even though Gorby's threatening him with a Big Green Cross?" thus quoth: > Indeed. The Kyoto Protocol is 99% symbolism. > > > I find it scary and oppressive that we have so much power. And > that we are > > so much more interested in lost-cause domestic battles. > > Why? Europeans don't vote for US politicians. --Mugabe must go; don't ask, Why! >>http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:15:43 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] Cuba etcetera <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 30-MAR-2002 4:15 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us the big clue was Churchill's dictum about democracy being the worst political sytem, "but" -- he really meant that, in applying that definition to the "monarchichal unconstitution" and allowing pols to lackadaisacally applying it to US'n! --Mugabe must go; don't ask, Why! >>>http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:44:14 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Brian Hutchings Subject: Re: [Quaker-P] living in the superpower <> Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings 30-MAR-2002 10:44 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us <> Brian ?Quincy! Hutchings 30-MAR-2002 4:02 r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us let me point some thing out to you, that was told to me, as I haven't seen the the director's cut of the screenwriter's fantasy of John-boy Nash (and if you don't think that he wasn't *hereditarily* antisemitic, then you didn't skim the book, and that probably goes for Arabs and Mormons, three !-) aroound the scenario of the Nobel Prization (technically, it's called the Swedish Bank's Special Prize in Economics, or some thing, apart from the other prizes in other outre fields), it's mentioned that the "nonco-operative gamestheory" that Mash devized, were used in the FCC auctions of the EM spectrum in the USA. now, the dystinction between "co-operative" and "non- games is rather simple, although the "meatmarket metaphor" really is concerned with a simple co-operative one, if only in terms of the nightly score-keeping (so, not really, folks .-) the LATimes just had a little mis-en-scene of the pundit and the professor, and the latter has managed to be almost perfectly obfuscatory, as befits the popularizer (not the dyscoverer, but maybe the first to grok, what in Hell Zafdeh (sp.?) was doing) of "fuzzy logic." in any case, the centerpiece of the Protocol of the Elders of Kyotos (sik) is, the same thing as the FCC has been using, with all the blessings of all of the financier-rentiers, and all of the Bushes and all of the Gores, unto at least two oil-company related generations. can you say, "178 super-OPEC nations have signed this thing, and George did not, even though Gorby's threatening him with a Big Green Cross?" thus quoth: > Indeed. The Kyoto Protocol is 99% symbolism. > > > I find it scary and oppressive that we have so much power. And > that we are > > so much more interested in lost-cause domestic battles. > > Why? Europeans don't vote for US politicians. --Mugabe must go; don't ask, Why! >>http://quincy4board.homestead.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:52:25 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dick, If I remember right, the following refs should have the info you are looking for: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityDowntownCover.htm http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCloud.htm http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCrater.htm Also, see _Buckminster Fuller_ by Pawley, page 150. It has the actual stress calcs for the NYC dome. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Fischbeck" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 7:21 AM Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium > Hi Joe- Are there actual plans for this big dome? Are they > at Stanford or at your site? > > Dick > > > Using tensegrity principles, Fuller worked out the design > > of domes 2 miles in diameter! > > > > ============================== > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > > ============================= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 03:42:51 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Stuart Willett Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Dick, > > If I remember right, the following refs should have > the info you are looking > for: > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityDowntownCover.htm > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCloud.htm > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/Ideas/IcosDomeCityCrater.htm > Also, see _Buckminster Fuller_ by Pawley, page 150. > It has the actual > stress calcs for the NYC dome. > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Fischbeck" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: A City of Peace for the New Millenium > > > > Hi Joe- Are there actual plans for this big dome? > Are they > > at Stanford or at your site? > > > > Dick > > > > > Using tensegrity principles, Fuller worked out > the design > > > of domes 2 miles in diameter! > > > > > > ============================== > > > Joe S Moore > > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > > http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/ > > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > > > ============================= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy > Awards® > > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 06:41:58 -0800 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: equilalence of spacetimematter Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone looked at this approach through the eyes of synergetics? http://research.spinweb.com/_tp/000001f2.htm Dick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/