From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Jun 15 10:32:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from acsu.buffalo.edu (defer.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.58]) by linux00.LinuxForce.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i5FEW2a6008827 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:32:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200406151432.i5FEW2a6008827@linux00.LinuxForce.net> Received: (qmail 19022 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 14:32:02 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by defer.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 14:32:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:31:57 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Buffalo (1.8e)" Subject: File: "GEODESIC LOG0209" To: Chris Fearnley X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.71, clamav-milter version 0.71 X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Content-Length: 285158 Lines: 7469 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:00:02 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Patrick Salsbury Subject: *MONTHLY POSTING* - GEODESIC 'how-to' info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the monthly "How To" file about the GEODESIC list. It has info on content and purpose of the list, as well as subscription info, posting instructions, etc. It should prove useful to new subscribers, as well as those who are unfamiliar with LISTSERV operations. This message is being posted on Sun Sep 1 00:00:01 PDT 2002. If you are tired of receiving this message once per month, and are reading bit.listserv.geodesic through USENET news, then you can enter this subject into your KILL/SCORE file. If you're reading through email, you can set up a filter to delete the message. Both of these tricks are WELL worth learning how to do, if you don't know already. And isn't it about time to learn something new? Isn't it always? :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GEODESIC is a forum for the discussion of the ideas and creations relating to the work of R. Buckminster (Bucky) Fuller. Topics range from geodesic math to world hunger; floating cities to autonoumous housing, and little bit of everything in between. Other lists that focuses more specifically on some of these topics can be found on the Reality Sculptors Website: http://reality.sculptors.com/lists.html On topic discussion and questions are welcome. SPAM and unsolicited promotions are not. (Simple, eh?) ----------------------- To subscribe, send mail to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU and in the body of your letter put the line: SUB GEODESIC A web page to signon is available here: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/user/sub.html When you want to post, send mail to GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU ******NOT***** to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU! LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU is for subscriptions, administrivia, archive requests, etc. GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU is the actual discussion group. Anything sent to GEODESIC will go to all members. (And you don't want to look like a jerk having everyone see your "SUB GEODESIC John Q. Public" command! ;^) ) This list is also linked to USENET in the group bit.listserv.geodesic If you want to receive copies of everything you send to the list, use the command SET GEODESIC REPRO. If you DON'T want copies, use SET GEODESIC NOREPRO. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO SIGN OFF THE LIST: Simply send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU and in the body of your letter put the line: SIGNOFF GEODESIC You should receive a confirmation note in the mail when you have been successfully removed. A web page to signoff is available here: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/user/signoff.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LIST ARCHIVES: Listserv itself is keeping archives of the list, dating back to June, 1992. Send a note to listserv@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu with this message in the BODY of the note: INDEX GEODESIC You can get help on other Listserv commands by putting the line HELP into the body of the note. (Can be in the same message.) Web-searchable archives for the lists are available at: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/geodesic.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (You may want to save this file to forward on to people who are interested, as it tells what the list is about, and how to subscribe and unsubscribe.) Pat _____________________________Think For Yourself______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ ----------------------- Don't break the Law...fix it. ;^) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:20:44 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: geodesic Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed if you're solving for "freq," then it doesn't follow that "radius" is the same; does it?... F is the number of "shells," as defined by Bucky ... what ever! thus quoth: >The formula is merely a rewriting of Bucky's(?) n=10f^2+2, >which gives the number of spheres in a cubocta or icosa >shell of frequency f. > >If frequency is the same as radius, we get r=rt[(n-2)/10]. > >N is the number of spheres or vertexes in the shell. > >It is easy to count the number of exterior marbles in a >spherical cluster. This cluster had 173 spheres in the >outer shell and 345 total. --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:22:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: wholesale motion Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The following is redundant (since movement is “time-sensitive”), in a similar way as “photon” is (as Bucky showeth, they are *only* the observationals). Spacetime tells mass how to move; mass and energy tell spacetime how to curve. --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:27:40 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Euler's bane Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed my comments on Lobel's breakthrough are linked to a button at the very top of my page, "sur le subjet de curvateur," on http://quincy4board.homestead.com/MiltonAcademy.html. thus quoth: http://membres.lycos.fr/equilatere/ Lobel --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:29:05 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Struts Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed If there’s any pre- or post-tensioning at all, the struts must “bend,” but I mean bow; that is, non-deformationally. Yes, I meant that tendons will “hang,” assuming that they’re within the “inertial frame” of Earth e.g. However, even in a microgravity, they’ll have to oscillate with any impinging forces, and this oscillation has the same shape as a hangning chain: jump-rope. Thus quoth: I assume you mean while it's in a non-inertial frame, like when it is As the elements of a “basketweave tenseg.” Contain both of the “net o’tension” and the “islands o’compression,” they have to dimensioned (cut in length) so that a) the members touch as they cross (where to be bolted, say) and b) they’ll abut with the next element in the GC (or LC). Indeed, they could be joined using dove-tailing, theoretically. If properly dimesnioned, the sphere can also close. “Aspect ratio” is a good word for it, maybe. But “frequency” is harder to apply, since the basketweaves tend to be the simplest “0F” shapes, to have just GCs. The problem with pencils is that they’re too round. Perhaps Joe can give us some details of his “construction;” eh? Thus quoth: I have 70+ popsicle sticks of "identical" dimensions saved, I guess for this. How much of a sphere can I build? What's wrong with the hexagonal cross section of Joe's pencils? How about round, I could use toothpicks. --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:30:08 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: coffee cup Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This is really heavy. What Bucky saith is a photon: Not a particle (that’s *only* upon observing .-) Thus quoth: "Among composite systems that obey Bose-Einstein statistics are the hydrogen atom, the deuteron, the 4He atom, and even atomic number nuclei generally. ... [regarding the superfluid transition of 4He, the transition] "does not occur in 3He, which obeys Fermi-Dirac statistics" The article on Fermi-Dirac Statistics says: "Atoms ... are made up of fermions. However, complex particles containing an even number of fermions, for example, 4He, behave as bosons when one considers processes (scattering, statistical mechanics, etc.) at energies small compared to the binding energy of the fermions." >Fermions are spin 1/2 pieces of "matter" >like electrons, nucleons-bosons are spin 1 pieces of radiant energy >(photons). That should be punctuated better. Fermions are spin 1/2...like electrons and nucleons. Bosons are spin 1... >They require different statistical formulations for a >description (Fermi vs Bose-thus the nomenclature) > Interestingly, spin 1/2 fermions require a 720 degree rotation to >complete a "spin" (bosons require 360)... That 720 is a familiar >number isn't it? Lou Geller --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:37:44 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Euler's bane Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed as I corrected myself, all of the tilings (spherical or degenerate (flat)) were found, using regular tiles; they're the archimedean tilings. the relation between them and Lobel's "frame" are many; of course, not all of the duals of the archimedeans are included -- I knew that! thus saith: >oops; I misspokse about Lobel. actually, >all of it was covered under "archimedean tilings," >of which the archimedean solids are the non-flat cases, >of which "shapes that include regular pentagona" are at >(whether it's specifically in Euclid, I don't know .-) > >the link, http://quincy4board.homestead.com/MiltonAcademy.html, >seems to wrok from SMPL (yeeha). thus quoth: > > http://membres.lycos.fr/equilatere/ >QQQ prob'ly thought since I was tiling a sphere purely with hexagons/no --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:44:48 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Icosa Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I found a good reference, _Engineering Formulas_, 7th ed. by the Gieks! I can now dig how Bucky got his definition, which is the proper one, through use -- although how much of an engineer he was, remains to be known! the idea that gravity works without direction, is simply the same hypothesis that Newton *said* that he didn't make, although it's there to see. thus quoth: >Well, it looks that way to most people, but a) I don't see it as "tension," >and b) people don't see any "real" cables at all. >If it's tension, where are the cables?, and if there is some structure to >the cables-that-don't-exist, why have we found none? (Magnetic fields can >be seen and even dealt with as bundles of "lines of magnetic force," but >I'm >not aware of any scientific work that has found "lines of gravitational >force" in the same sense.) --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:51:28 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: wholesale motion Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed if you mean that motion precedes the consciousness of time, I'll try to live with that. but, the "motion of spacetime" is, again, redundant. >(Motion precedes 'time'.) >The motion involved is motion of pionts in my Tverse NoVO~12, not of >ordinary physical matter, so it's a vibratory sort of motion, of spacetime --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 02:32:50 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: compression always-and-only accompanies tension Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed well, I'd written-up a reply, but it's lost. this whole thing is *nothing*, but a semantic. it's just the object-verb-subject thing, and no more. look at any reference on "strength of materials," and you'll see that: Compression members push-apart the tension ones, and the latter pull-together the former, which struts are thereby explosive, being imploded by the tendons. so saith Bucky, and so saith the Bros. Giek in _Engineering Formulas_. thus quoth: >Well, it looks that way to most people, but a) I don't see it as "tension," >and b) people don't see any "real" cables at all. >If it's tension, where are the cables?, and if there is some structure to >the cables-that-don't-exist, why have we found none? (Magnetic fields can >be seen and even dealt with as bundles of "lines of magnetic force," but >I'm >not aware of any scientific work that has found "lines of gravitational >force" in the same sense.) thus saith: I found a good reference, _Engineering Formulas_, 7th ed. by the Gieks! I can now dig how Bucky got his definition, which is the proper one, through use -- although how much of an engineer he was, remains to be known! the idea that gravity works without direction, is simply the same hypothesis that Newton *said* that he didn't make, although it's there to see. --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 02:36:00 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: wholesale motion Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the following Platonic diatribe is really an oddity. since you can't move any thing outside of time, how can you "move spacetime," then? I blame it on Minkowski, one of Einstein's better teachers, for taking "pahse-space" and turning it into a mystaque, space-time. compare the two terms, before you go off into another dull rant. thus quoth: Nothing to do with consciousness. Motion (caveats) creates increments of "time" --the word physicists use when speaking of the phenomenon. IOW, "time" is not a field or something that exists independently of matter/energy/spacetime. There is no large-scale "temporal reference frame"; time is spatially quantized (into linear increments of dimension surrounding points in space --usually 12 of them), and space is temporally quantized: time can have a different manifestation --a different "rate"-- between each two neighbor points in space. --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 02:39:17 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: ccp displaced to contact container Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This whole thread has been awfully silly, Since the watermanhedra approach sphericity as the radius increases, there’s goinf to be less & less room for a hypothetically spherecal net of tension (a.k.a. bubble) to squeeze on it. sure, it may be an interesting study, but there's way too much on this list of pontification- without-adequate-definition, and without testing it out -- "really," and even virtually within reason. --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 02:51:47 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: (KMM3089623V82866L0KM) Comments: To: hspersonalsupport@homesteadsupport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed well, can you give me a redirect to another service? someone is willing to sponsor me for a few months. I still can't believe that you have justified this decision, though; isn't it just common business-practice, to give paying customers a credit for loss-of-service? the changes that caused these losses were ones that HS implimented, wihtout telling what had changed, in any way (although in the last case, the fact that there was *going* to be an upgrade, was announced. the big puzzle is, How do new, would-be users try HS, without the ONline SB? >Based on the previous information stated in the Terms of Service, I cannot >grant you an extension. > > >Regards, > >Riley >Homestead Support >[Case #1235564] >Original Message Follows: >------------------------- > > >this is not true, Riley. > in the upgrade, the access to the ONline SB was hidden, >in a rather sneaky way, which caused me to assume that >it just wasn't working. no explanation has ever been given >for this, other than that (this is second-hand, >from the lists) "the REAL upgrade is coming, later" -- >that it was al;most strictly (as far as we could see) cosmetic. > I spent over 3 weeks being unable to change my pages, >with repeated queries to you folks (and on the lists, >where I was finally answered). > >before that, there was about a 2-week problem, >where I couldn't change my pages, which I'll recall, >later. I'm asking for more of an extension, >through November, for "pain, suffering etc." > is that such a horrible request? > >thus quoth: > >You did not experience any technical problems due to Homestead. I >therefore > >cannot provide a credit. > > > >Section 10B of the Member Agreement to which you agreed to when you > >registered with Homestead states: > > > >"HOMESTEAD AND ITS SUPPLIERS MAKE NO WARRANTY THAT (i) THE SERVICE WILL > >MEET MEMBER'S REQUIREMENTS, (ii) THE SERVICE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, >TIMELY, > >SECURE OR ERROR-FREE, AND (iii) THE QUALITY OF ANY PRODUCTS, SERVICES, > >INFORMATION OR OTHER MATERIAL PURCHASED OR OBTAINED BY MEMBER THROUGH THE > >SERVICE WILL MEET MEMBER'S EXPECTATIONS." > > > >You can review the Homestead Member Agreement online at > >http://www.homestead.com. Simply click the 'Member Agreement' link at >the > >bottom of the page. > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > >Riley > >Original Message Follows: > >------------------------- > > > > > >you don't mean as of yesterday; do you? > > my primary problem is that this has slowed me down, and > >taken a lot of time in trying to rectify it, > >with zero results (although about 3 weeks > >without *apparent* service, at the least). so, > >I've asked for an extra two months as recompense, > >before my account is allowed to expire. > > if I could have had some feedback as to what > >in Hell is going on, reagarding how *others* might see my site > >-- that is re the potential for spoofing etc. -- > >I'd still be happy. > > > >thus quoth: > > >If you logged into your account, you will notice that changes to the >look > > >and features of Homestead has been altered. > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Riley > > >Original Message Follows: > > >------------------------- > > > > > > > > >I didn't ask for an implimentation per se, > > >but at least some sort of reason > > >for the "upgrade," which according to others > > >on the boards, is not actually due til later -- > > >that the present upgrade was only cosmetic, > > >excdept where it clearly impedes me. personally. > > > Acosta at SMPL doesn't know what you did, > > >so why don't you tell him? > > > > > > >"I sumbitted your comments to the Product Team. It does not >necessarily > > > >mean that it will be immediately implemented." > > > > > >what happened to "Hailey?" > > > > > > >Riley > > > >Homestead Support > > > >[Case #1235564] > > > > > > >SUBJECT: Re: help! > > > >MESSAGE from =macosta@pen.ci.santa-monica.ca.us 27-AUG-20 4:18 > > > >Brian: > > > > > > > >I have not been contacted by Homestead support as you asked them to >do. > > > >Can you give me a bit more detail on the problem you are having with > > >them? --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:56:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a test. Lst 2 posts bounced! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:56:21 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: compression always-and-only accompanies tension Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed JBw, you are wasting every one's way-too-valuable time on your splitting your pube-hairs over the mere fact that compressional & tensional members were defined, in the last few centuries "ce" to be those that *take* the forces after which they were named (or, the forces were named after a Giek tuned a guitar). the hilarious fact that you can make some program "produce" a universe that has "only compression" -- and manages to "save the face" of the expading U. interpretation of Hubble redshifts, which may entitle you to a Macarthur grant -- in it, seems to require the computer to be your tensional embrasure. puh-lease, be careful; it might implode in your face (nature is *attracted* by a relative vacuum, even if she don'like it)! (of course, "explosion" is just an undirected "pushing-apart.") Thus quoth: >Compression *members* [semantics alert] push apart. Compression of (not >"by") those members (:effect) in a tensegrity is caused by fa orce stored >in >the tension members (cause:). >Put 'poetically', yes, but in tensegrities I call much "explosion" a >special >case; struts are not well-usable if they're rubbery, but we can easily use >rubbery cables for tension members. >Shrink the container, and in topology, physics, geometries, and common >sense, you will _compress_ the contents. You will drive its contituent >parts *closer together*. Compression is a pushing-together force, globally >speaking, in the lit., in the dict., in common sense, in (etc.etc.). --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 03:19:55 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: ccp displaced to contact container Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I should have told y’all about the article in a recent *Science*, which dealt with a method of applying “constraints” to statistical problems, which can give one a feel for how statistics can mess things “up” beyond the already-totally-messed-up-area of the “Copenhagen school” of interpretation of QM, and its paradigmatic presentation as “fuzz-e logique,” the wild-and-crazy concussion of ordinary boolean algebra with probability, that subset of combinatorics that had been worked-out *in toto* by Pascal et co. in the 17th CCE (predicate logic was somewhat later, I think). But it’s more important to note the “virtual news” in the latest issue, about a new, super-interglacial period, which posits against the reams of data that this “Holocene” will go-on for 50Ky or so, when it might otherwise terminate any time, soon, after a typical 10Ky. (The point is taken, that some interglacials were r e a l l y long.) Thus saith: This whole thread has been awfully silly, since the watermanhedra approach sphericity as the radius increases, there’s going to be less & less room for a hypothetically spherecal net of tension (a.k.a. bubble) to squeeze on it. sure, it may be an interesting study, but there's way too much on this list of pontification- without-adequate-definition, and without testing it out -- "really," and even virtually within reason. --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 04:01:38 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: compression & tension always-and-only co-inky-dink Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed [and LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT, below] I don't know if my last diatribe against Brawley's wish to reverse a cnetury or three of usage made it; in short, you have to be kidding! you may wish that your reversal be made a royal edict (in your NWO), but you'd have to supply better reasoning. it has to analyze the fact that "compressional members" are composed, towhat ever level you can analyze, of a lot of tensional members that cohere with smaller compressional ones. merely note the use of "-al". in general, compressional members have much less tensile strength. (of course, how this is ramified in terms of "atoms" -- or even "particles" -- and so on, may be a totally hairy matter. as "Dick" saith, the struts in a non-tenseg. dome embody the tension. LAST WILL & TESTAMENT I may very well be going to jail, tomorrow, mostly based upon a lot of silly mistakes, esp. involved with UCLA. So, I hereby bequeath the suffix, "-asteron (tm)" to my sister, Dana. I also want her to see about my website, and my PEN account (note: I just logged into the latter, and the usual "freidnly" login stuff has been replaced by a BASH shell, which I know nothing about (but, you can type "help" .-) Does it seem like a coincidence, that it's shutting-down on the day before I'm scheduled to go to court?... Just for laughs, it seems to be for violating (for the umpteenth time) a 2-year summary probation ("stay-away order"). PEN has told me, and only me, that PEN will be shut down at some time -- although they've often stated, "well, we can't do that because it'd be "just for you," isnce I've been one of the few users for over half of its life-time as an experiment (o'WAND?) in "e-democracy." PS: I'm asking Homestead, my provider, to give me a redirect to techpraxis.com, since they refuse to be reasonable on their mess-ups! --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:59:14 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: tensegrity article Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, Short article about tensegrity in today's Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,785895,00.html Paul Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:38:48 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: First Will and Testament Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Well, I was given quite a reprieve (~$200). I’m just going to post what’s happened to PEN, and the snooty termination of my account be Homestead; is my URL still active, http://quincy4board.homestead.com ?? Well, I’m wrong; they seem to be trying to rach a compromise, but it’s really hard to say any thing about Homestead. (My confusion was with another message from the automated billing stuff, which does say that I can’t edit my site, and that it’ll be deleted in 7 days.) See below for PEN’s new, unannounced interface! THUS QUOTH: I don't get it. At least, I'm not in jail. >Do you wish to be removed from the Beta Test list? Please respond so that I >can have taken off immediately? > > > >Regards, > >Riley >Homestead Support >[Case #1235564] >Original Message Follows: >------------------------- > >[copy to Forest] > >this is really sad, but it's not going to help too much, >if I'm in jail & my service goes out before the election. > if your pointy-headed boss can't see through this, >why don't you ask him to consider me as a beta-tester, >and possibly the only one who was using the Online SB, >solely, for that, itself. > if he can't do that, then >just give me the redirect, please. and tell me, but >Forest is the guy who can provide the mirror. > > >I can only give you one month since that is what Vinny promised you. A > >month's credit has been given to your account. > > > > > >Regards, > > > >Riley I haven’t gone to City Hall to ask about PEN, but I can guess that they’ve let a hacker in, who has made it only accessible to a giek. Nota bene: since they are at least 7th-generational Gieks, don’t assume the sterotype about pencil-necks; much safer to assume that they make Schwarzeneger look like a Powerpuff Girl. Here’s what happens, when you log-on and type “help,” the only thing that I know how to do in a BASH shell: login: r007883 Password: Last login: Thu Sep 5 15:03:01 from 199.172.105.83 You have new mail. [r007883@pen2 r007883]$ help GNU bash, version 2.04.21(1)-release (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) These shell commands are defined internally. Type `help' to see this list. Type `help name' to find out more about the function `name'. Use `info bash' to find out more about the shell in general. A star (*) next to a name means that the command is disabled. %[DIGITS | WORD] [&] . filename : [ arg... ] alias [-p] [name[=value] ... ] bg [job_spec] bind [-lpvsPVS] [-m keymap] [-f fi break [n] builtin [shell-builtin [arg ...]] case WORD in [PATTERN [| PATTERN]. cd [-PL] [dir] command [-pVv] command [arg ...] compgen [-abcdefjkvu] [-A action] complete [-abcdefjkvu] [-pr] [-A a continue [n] declare [-afFrxi] [-p] name[=value dirs [-clpv] [+N] [-N] disown [-h] [-ar] [jobspec ...] echo [-neE] [arg ...] enable [-pnds] [-a] [-f filename] eval [arg ...] exec [-cl] [-a name] file [redirec exit [n] export [-nf] [name ...] or export false fc [-e ename] [-nlr] [first] [last fg [job_spec] for NAME [in WORDS ... ;] do COMMA function NAME { COMMANDS ; } or NA getopts optstring name [arg] hash [-r] [-p pathname] [name ...] help [-s] [pattern ...] history [-c] [-d offset] [n] or hi if COMMANDS; then COMMANDS; [ elif jobs [-lnprs] [jobspec ...] or job kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -si let arg [arg ...] local name[=value] ... logout popd [+N | -N] [-n] printf format [arguments] pushd [dir | +N | -N] [-n] pwd [-PL] read [-ers] [-t timeout] [-p promp readonly [-anf] [name ...] or read return [n] select NAME [in WORDS ... ;] do CO set [--abefhkmnptuvxBCHP] [-o opti shift [n] shopt [-pqsu] [-o long-option] opt source filename suspend [-f] test [expr] time [-p] PIPELINE times trap [arg] [signal_spec ...] or tr true type [-apt] name [name ...] typeset [-afFrxi] [-p] name[=value ulimit [-SHacdflmnpstuv] [limit] umask [-p] [-S] [mode] unalias [-a] [name ...] unset [-f] [-v] [name ...] until COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done variables - Some variable names an wait [n] while COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done { COMMANDS ; } [r007883@pen2 r007883]$ --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:32:43 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Foerd Ames Subject: Re: First Will and Testament MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dammit, this isn't about Bucky, man. Stop it. Foerd Ames Ocean Wave Energy Company 20 Burnside Street Bristol, RI 02809 USA email: foerd@owec.com web site: www.owec.com voice and fax: 401-253-4488 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Quincy Quincy Quincy=20 Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: First Will and Testament Well, I was given quite a reprieve (~$200). I'm just going to post what's happened to PEN, and the snooty termination of my account be Homestead; is my URL still active, http://quincy4board.homestead.com ?? Well, I'm wrong; they seem to be trying to rach a compromise, but it's really hard to say any thing about Homestead. (My confusion was with another message from the automated billing stuff, which does say that I can't edit my site, and that it'll be deleted in 7 days.) See below for PEN's new, unannounced interface! THUS QUOTH: I don't get it. At least, I'm not in jail. >Do you wish to be removed from the Beta Test list? Please respond so = that I >can have taken off immediately? > > > >Regards, > >Riley >Homestead Support >[Case #1235564] >Original Message Follows: >------------------------- > >[copy to Forest] > >this is really sad, but it's not going to help too much, >if I'm in jail & my service goes out before the election. > if your pointy-headed boss can't see through this, >why don't you ask him to consider me as a beta-tester, >and possibly the only one who was using the Online SB, >solely, for that, itself. > if he can't do that, then >just give me the redirect, please. and tell me, but >Forest is the guy who can provide the mirror. > > >I can only give you one month since that is what Vinny promised = you. A > >month's credit has been given to your account. > > > > > >Regards, > > > >Riley I haven't gone to City Hall to ask about PEN, but I can guess that they've let a hacker in, who has made it only accessible to a giek. Nota bene: since they are at least 7th-generational Gieks, don't assume the sterotype about pencil-necks; much safer to assume that they make Schwarzeneger look like a Powerpuff Girl. Here's what happens, when you log-on and type "help," the only thing that I know how to do in a BASH shell: login: r007883 Password: Last login: Thu Sep 5 15:03:01 from 199.172.105.83 You have new mail. [r007883@pen2 r007883]$ help GNU bash, version 2.04.21(1)-release (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) These shell commands are defined internally. Type `help' to see this = list. Type `help name' to find out more about the function `name'. Use `info bash' to find out more about the shell in general. A star (*) next to a name means that the command is disabled. %[DIGITS | WORD] [&] . filename : [ arg... ] alias [-p] [name[=3Dvalue] ... ] bg [job_spec] bind [-lpvsPVS] [-m keymap] [-f fi break [n] builtin [shell-builtin [arg ...]] case WORD in [PATTERN [| PATTERN]. cd [-PL] [dir] command [-pVv] command [arg ...] compgen [-abcdefjkvu] [-A action] complete [-abcdefjkvu] [-pr] [-A a continue [n] declare [-afFrxi] [-p] = name[=3Dvalue dirs [-clpv] [+N] [-N] disown [-h] [-ar] [jobspec ...] echo [-neE] [arg ...] enable [-pnds] [-a] [-f filename] eval [arg ...] exec [-cl] [-a name] file [redirec exit [n] export [-nf] [name ...] or export false fc [-e ename] [-nlr] [first] [last fg [job_spec] for NAME [in WORDS ... ;] do COMMA function NAME { COMMANDS ; } or NA getopts optstring name [arg] hash [-r] [-p pathname] [name ...] help [-s] [pattern ...] history [-c] [-d offset] [n] or hi if COMMANDS; then COMMANDS; [ elif jobs [-lnprs] [jobspec ...] or job kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -si let arg [arg ...] local name[=3Dvalue] ... logout popd [+N | -N] [-n] printf format [arguments] pushd [dir | +N | -N] [-n] pwd [-PL] read [-ers] [-t timeout] [-p promp readonly [-anf] [name ...] or read return [n] select NAME [in WORDS ... ;] do CO set [--abefhkmnptuvxBCHP] [-o opti shift [n] shopt [-pqsu] [-o long-option] opt source filename suspend [-f] test [expr] time [-p] PIPELINE times trap [arg] [signal_spec ...] or tr true type [-apt] name [name ...] typeset [-afFrxi] [-p] name[=3Dvalue ulimit [-SHacdflmnpstuv] [limit] umask [-p] [-S] [mode] unalias [-a] [name ...] unset [-f] [-v] [name ...] until COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done variables - Some variable names an wait [n] while COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done { COMMANDS ; } [r007883@pen2 r007883]$ --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:55:18 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: First Will and Testament In-Reply-To: <001501c2553d$047d9420$e203f7a5@energy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit here here! > From: Foerd Ames > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:32:43 -0400 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: First Will and Testament > > Dammit, this isn't about Bucky, man. Stop it. > > Foerd Ames > > Ocean Wave Energy Company > 20 Burnside Street > Bristol, RI 02809 USA > > email: foerd@owec.com > web site: www.owec.com > voice and fax: 401-253-4488 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Quincy Quincy Quincy > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:38 PM > Subject: First Will and Testament > > > Well, I was given quite a reprieve (~$200). > I'm just going to post what's happened to PEN, and > the snooty termination of my account be Homestead; > is my URL still active, > http://quincy4board.homestead.com ?? > > Well, I'm wrong; > they seem to be trying to rach a compromise, but > it's really hard to say any thing about Homestead. > (My confusion was with another message > from the automated billing stuff, > which does say that I can't edit my site, and > that it'll be deleted in 7 days.) See below for PEN's new, > unannounced interface! > > THUS QUOTH: > I don't get it. At least, > I'm not in jail. > >> Do you wish to be removed from the Beta Test list? Please respond so that I >> can have taken off immediately? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Riley >> Homestead Support >> [Case #1235564] > >> Original Message Follows: >> ------------------------- >> >> [copy to Forest] >> >> this is really sad, but it's not going to help too much, >> if I'm in jail & my service goes out before the election. >> if your pointy-headed boss can't see through this, >> why don't you ask him to consider me as a beta-tester, >> and possibly the only one who was using the Online SB, >> solely, for that, itself. >> if he can't do that, then >> just give me the redirect, please. and tell me, but >> Forest is the guy who can provide the mirror. >> >>> I can only give you one month since that is what Vinny promised you. A >>> month's credit has been given to your account. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Riley > > I haven't gone to City Hall to ask about PEN, > but I can guess that they've let a hacker in, > who has made it only accessible to a giek. Nota bene: > since they are at least 7th-generational Gieks, > don't assume the sterotype about pencil-necks; much safer > to assume that they make Schwarzeneger look > like a Powerpuff Girl. Here's what happens, > when you log-on and type "help," > the only thing that I know how to do in a BASH shell: > > login: r007883 > Password: > Last login: Thu Sep 5 15:03:01 from 199.172.105.83 > You have new mail. > [r007883@pen2 r007883]$ help > GNU bash, version 2.04.21(1)-release (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) > These shell commands are defined internally. Type `help' to see this list. > Type `help name' to find out more about the function `name'. > Use `info bash' to find out more about the shell in general. > > A star (*) next to a name means that the command is disabled. > > %[DIGITS | WORD] [&] . filename > : [ arg... ] > alias [-p] [name[=value] ... ] bg [job_spec] > bind [-lpvsPVS] [-m keymap] [-f fi break [n] > builtin [shell-builtin [arg ...]] case WORD in [PATTERN [| PATTERN]. > cd [-PL] [dir] command [-pVv] command [arg ...] > compgen [-abcdefjkvu] [-A action] complete [-abcdefjkvu] [-pr] [-A a > continue [n] declare [-afFrxi] [-p] name[=value > dirs [-clpv] [+N] [-N] disown [-h] [-ar] [jobspec ...] > echo [-neE] [arg ...] enable [-pnds] [-a] [-f filename] > eval [arg ...] exec [-cl] [-a name] file [redirec > exit [n] export [-nf] [name ...] or export > false fc [-e ename] [-nlr] [first] [last > fg [job_spec] for NAME [in WORDS ... ;] do COMMA > function NAME { COMMANDS ; } or NA getopts optstring name [arg] > hash [-r] [-p pathname] [name ...] help [-s] [pattern ...] > history [-c] [-d offset] [n] or hi if COMMANDS; then COMMANDS; [ elif > jobs [-lnprs] [jobspec ...] or job kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -si > let arg [arg ...] local name[=value] ... > logout popd [+N | -N] [-n] > printf format [arguments] pushd [dir | +N | -N] [-n] > pwd [-PL] read [-ers] [-t timeout] [-p promp > readonly [-anf] [name ...] or read return [n] > select NAME [in WORDS ... ;] do CO set [--abefhkmnptuvxBCHP] [-o opti > shift [n] shopt [-pqsu] [-o long-option] opt > source filename suspend [-f] > test [expr] time [-p] PIPELINE > times trap [arg] [signal_spec ...] or tr > true type [-apt] name [name ...] > typeset [-afFrxi] [-p] name[=value ulimit [-SHacdflmnpstuv] [limit] > umask [-p] [-S] [mode] unalias [-a] [name ...] > unset [-f] [-v] [name ...] until COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done > variables - Some variable names an wait [n] > while COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done { COMMANDS ; } > [r007883@pen2 r007883]$ > > --SIGHnS! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html > > --Oil Platform 2000!... > The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols > of the Elders of Kyoto: > (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ > BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. > Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): > 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) > 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) > 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) > 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) > 21 -- OMAHA (25K) > 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) > 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) > 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) > 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 03:32:36 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: V.E. to ICOSAhedron to OCTAhedron Slide Transition - No Twist Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed 13:15) 01-SEP-2002 16:23 A. Michelson re: http:/caucus/city/13:13) 13-AUG-2002 10:23 Brian ¿Quincy! Hutchings Subject: V.E. to ICOSAhedron to OCTAhedron Slide Transition - No Twist the following is good, if it's true that the vertices do not leave the face of the hexah.; can that be so, if the VE actually contracts to icosah. phase? Hey Brian, Contract the icosahedron even more, and you get an octahedron, and the vertices still didn't leave the faces of the hexahedron! --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:44:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Domebook one Comments: To: Steve Hoffman Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve, Bibliofind (which is owned by Amazon.com) has _Big Rock Candy Mountain_ which has in it part of Domebook 1. Go to http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/books/misc/bibliofind.html/ and type in the word Domebook Also, from time to time eBay has one for sale; see http://pages.ebay.com/search/items/search_adv.html Check out the list of used book stores I have at the bottom of my Bibliography page: http://www.buckminster.info//Biblio/1-Bibliography-TOC.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hoffman" To: Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Domebook one > Joe, > > I have collected a copy of Domebook 2 and the Shelter Book (domebook 3?) > > Do you know where I can get a copy of Domebook 1? > > Steve Hoffman (or bette) > 800-469-2290 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:09:48 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: team cqa Subject: Re: First Will and Testament In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wasn't rbf in jail for a few days for heretical(sp) ideas? No joke... pancho> here here! > >> From: Foerd Ames >> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >> >> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:32:43 -0400 >> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: First Will and Testament >> >> Dammit, this isn't about Bucky, man. Stop it. >> >> Foerd Ames >> >> Ocean Wave Energy Company >> 20 Burnside Street >> Bristol, RI 02809 USA >> >> email: foerd@owec.com >> web site: www.owec.com >> voice and fax: 401-253-4488 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Quincy Quincy Quincy >> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:38 PM >> Subject: First Will and Testament >> >> >> Well, I was given quite a reprieve (~$200). >> I'm just going to post what's happened to PEN, and >> the snooty termination of my account be Homestead; >> is my URL still active, >> http://quincy4board.homestead.com ?? >> >> Well, I'm wrong; >> they seem to be trying to rach a compromise, but >> it's really hard to say any thing about Homestead. >> (My confusion was with another message >> from the automated billing stuff, >> which does say that I can't edit my site, and >> that it'll be deleted in 7 days.) See below for PEN's new, >> unannounced interface! >> >> THUS QUOTH: >> I don't get it. At least, >> I'm not in jail. >> >>> Do you wish to be removed from the Beta Test list? Please respond so that I >>> can have taken off immediately? >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Riley >>> Homestead Support >>> [Case #1235564] >> >>> Original Message Follows: >>> ------------------------- >>> >>> [copy to Forest] >>> >>> this is really sad, but it's not going to help too much, >>> if I'm in jail & my service goes out before the election. >>> if your pointy-headed boss can't see through this, >>> why don't you ask him to consider me as a beta-tester, >>> and possibly the only one who was using the Online SB, >>> solely, for that, itself. >>> if he can't do that, then >>> just give me the redirect, please. and tell me, but >>> Forest is the guy who can provide the mirror. >>> >>>> I can only give you one month since that is what Vinny promised you. A >>>> month's credit has been given to your account. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Riley >> >> I haven't gone to City Hall to ask about PEN, >> but I can guess that they've let a hacker in, >> who has made it only accessible to a giek. Nota bene: >> since they are at least 7th-generational Gieks, >> don't assume the sterotype about pencil-necks; much safer >> to assume that they make Schwarzeneger look >> like a Powerpuff Girl. Here's what happens, >> when you log-on and type "help," >> the only thing that I know how to do in a BASH shell: >> >> login: r007883 >> Password: >> Last login: Thu Sep 5 15:03:01 from 199.172.105.83 >> You have new mail. >> [r007883@pen2 r007883]$ help >> GNU bash, version 2.04.21(1)-release (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) >> These shell commands are defined internally. Type `help' to see this list. >> Type `help name' to find out more about the function `name'. >> Use `info bash' to find out more about the shell in general. >> >> A star (*) next to a name means that the command is disabled. >> >> %[DIGITS | WORD] [&] . filename >> : [ arg... ] >> alias [-p] [name[=value] ... ] bg [job_spec] >> bind [-lpvsPVS] [-m keymap] [-f fi break [n] >> builtin [shell-builtin [arg ...]] case WORD in [PATTERN [| PATTERN]. >> cd [-PL] [dir] command [-pVv] command [arg ...] >> compgen [-abcdefjkvu] [-A action] complete [-abcdefjkvu] [-pr] [-A a >> continue [n] declare [-afFrxi] [-p] name[=value >> dirs [-clpv] [+N] [-N] disown [-h] [-ar] [jobspec ...] >> echo [-neE] [arg ...] enable [-pnds] [-a] [-f filename] >> eval [arg ...] exec [-cl] [-a name] file [redirec >> exit [n] export [-nf] [name ...] or export >> false fc [-e ename] [-nlr] [first] [last >> fg [job_spec] for NAME [in WORDS ... ;] do COMMA >> function NAME { COMMANDS ; } or NA getopts optstring name [arg] >> hash [-r] [-p pathname] [name ...] help [-s] [pattern ...] >> history [-c] [-d offset] [n] or hi if COMMANDS; then COMMANDS; [ elif >> jobs [-lnprs] [jobspec ...] or job kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -si >> let arg [arg ...] local name[=value] ... >> logout popd [+N | -N] [-n] >> printf format [arguments] pushd [dir | +N | -N] [-n] >> pwd [-PL] read [-ers] [-t timeout] [-p promp >> readonly [-anf] [name ...] or read return [n] >> select NAME [in WORDS ... ;] do CO set [--abefhkmnptuvxBCHP] [-o opti >> shift [n] shopt [-pqsu] [-o long-option] opt >> source filename suspend [-f] >> test [expr] time [-p] PIPELINE >> times trap [arg] [signal_spec ...] or tr >> true type [-apt] name [name ...] >> typeset [-afFrxi] [-p] name[=value ulimit [-SHacdflmnpstuv] [limit] >> umask [-p] [-S] [mode] unalias [-a] [name ...] >> unset [-f] [-v] [name ...] until COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done >> variables - Some variable names an wait [n] >> while COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done { COMMANDS ; } >> [r007883@pen2 r007883]$ >> >> --SIGHnS! >> http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html >> >> --Oil Platform 2000!... >> The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols >> of the Elders of Kyoto: >> (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ >> BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. >> Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): >> 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) >> 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) >> 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) >> 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) >> 21 -- OMAHA (25K) >> 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) >> 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) >> 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) >> 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:12:09 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: tensegrity article MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, Thanks for the info about a Bucky-related article in London's Guardian newspaper. I will be adding it to my collection with my next update; see http://www.buckminster.info//Biblio/About-Articles-2002.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Taylor" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: tensegrity article > Hello, > > Short article about tensegrity in today's Guardian: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,785895,00.html > > Paul Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:17:48 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Domebook one In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey Joe, what's the book about? Leifur lthor@earthlink.net > From: Joe S Moore > Organization: (Retired) > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:44:53 -0700 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Domebook one > > Steve, > > Bibliofind (which is owned by Amazon.com) has _Big Rock Candy Mountain_ > which has in it part of Domebook 1. Go to > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/books/misc/bibliofind.html/ > > and type in the word Domebook > > Also, from time to time eBay has one for sale; see > > http://pages.ebay.com/search/items/search_adv.html > > Check out the list of used book stores I have at the bottom of my > Bibliography page: > > http://www.buckminster.info//Biblio/1-Bibliography-TOC.htm > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Hoffman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:53 AM > Subject: Domebook one > > >> Joe, >> >> I have collected a copy of Domebook 2 and the Shelter Book (domebook 3?) >> >> Do you know where I can get a copy of Domebook 1? >> >> Steve Hoffman (or bette) >> 800-469-2290 >> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:11:53 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Cato Doc 364 Comments: To: smoore@clubforgrowth.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr Stephen Moore Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute Washington, DC, USA Dear Sir, I think that your Policy Analysis #364, "The Greatest Century That Ever = Was: 25 Miraculous Trends of the Past 100 Years", is an absolutely = wonderful and encouraging document! It would be interesting to see a = similar report for the globe as a whole. Ref: http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa364.pdf =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:35:24 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Domebook one Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leifur, If you are referring to Domebook One, see: http://www.buckminster.info//Biblio/About-BkTOC-DomebookOne.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leifur Thor" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Domebook one > Hey Joe, what's the book about? > > Leifur > lthor@earthlink.net > > > From: Joe S Moore > > Organization: (Retired) > > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:44:53 -0700 > > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: Domebook one > > > > Steve, > > > > Bibliofind (which is owned by Amazon.com) has _Big Rock Candy Mountain_ > > which has in it part of Domebook 1. Go to > > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/books/misc/bibliofind.html/ > > > > and type in the word Domebook > > > > Also, from time to time eBay has one for sale; see > > > > http://pages.ebay.com/search/items/search_adv.html > > > > Check out the list of used book stores I have at the bottom of my > > Bibliography page: > > > > http://www.buckminster.info//Biblio/1-Bibliography-TOC.htm > > > > ============================== > > Joe S Moore > > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > > http://buckminster.info > > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > > ============================= > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Hoffman" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:53 AM > > Subject: Domebook one > > > > > >> Joe, > >> > >> I have collected a copy of Domebook 2 and the Shelter Book (domebook 3?) > >> > >> Do you know where I can get a copy of Domebook 1? > >> > >> Steve Hoffman (or bette) > >> 800-469-2290 > >> > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:12:55 +0100 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Paul Taylor Subject: balloons Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, I wonder if anyone can answer this query which I recently a little while ago: > Whilst trawling through the net, I found a reference to Buckminster > Fuller's experiments with a white balloon and a bath of dark-coloured > dye. When the balloon was vibrated the dye was only able to collect and > stain on those areas of the balloon that were experiencing the smallest > amount of movement. These areas were evenly spaced nodes. > > Could you tell me where these experiments are mentioned in his writings? Regards, Paul Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:10:49 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Global Energy Grid Update Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the "elders of Kyoto" is an un-PC joke about the scam of the Bush Admin. not signing it -- while OPEC countries are included in the 178 that did; how many OPECers? see my site, button "politique," for more daffynitions re fossileum (tm). thus quoth: >I remember being interested in the Grid concept back in the day when I >first >read Critical Path. Does this mean that they are doing it? > >Also, what are the Elders of Kyoto? --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:13:46 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: equilibrium of tension and compression Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed when "Dick" and Waterman have exchanges, it is like the blind shouting at the deaf, and the deaf gesticulating wildly in ESL [*] >When a 2d or 3d packing of anything is radially contrained >or squeezed, radius and density both decrease. An >equilibrium point is reached. > >Is this well known? > >I wonder if this goes for black holes, too. > >Is there a number in here? A ratio? > >If we start with a hexagonal packing of circles, it has >some perimeter and some area. When tensionally embraced, >the perimeter stays the same and the density decreases. The >area increases. > >When we squeeze an IVM sphere pack, its surfaces area stays >the same, I think. Its radius decreases. Its density >decreases. Its volume increases. --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:18:03 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: balloons MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, I never heard about an experiment with a balloon. Is there a web page where you read this? If anyone might know it would be his architectural partners, Mr Sadao & Mr Zung. For their contact info see: http://209.196.135.250/domes/makers.htm (BFI website) (scroll below to "Architectural/Design") ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <======= NEW Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Taylor" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: balloons > Hello, > > I wonder if anyone can answer this query which I recently a little while > ago: > > > Whilst trawling through the net, I found a reference to Buckminster > > Fuller's experiments with a white balloon and a bath of dark-coloured > > dye. When the balloon was vibrated the dye was only able to collect and > > stain on those areas of the balloon that were experiencing the smallest > > amount of movement. These areas were evenly spaced nodes. > > > > Could you tell me where these experiments are mentioned in his writings? > > > Regards, > > Paul Taylor > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:27:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Global Energy Grid Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quincy et al, The global energy storage & distribution grid is about 50% complete; see http://www.geni.org/energy/multimedia/slideshows/animated/a_solution.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <=====NEW Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quincy Quincy Quincy" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Global Energy Grid Update (snip) > > thus quoth: > >I remember being interested in the Grid concept back in the day when I > >first > >read Critical Path. Does this mean that they are doing it? > > (snip) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:33:30 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: geodesic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed perimeter and diameter (2 times radius) are in direct proportion. thus quoth: >In the 2d case, 6 equal circles fit around 1, 12 fit around >7, 18 fit around 19, etc. > >It seems this is true whether the collection of circles is >in a hexagon or a circle. That's what I am finding with my >marbles on the table. It seems we can say the radius of >either shaped collection, the hex or the circle, is n/6, >where n is the number of outer circles. It also seems like >the area of this collection is equal to n times r. > >area=nr and area=(n^2)/6 and area=6r^2 --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:42:47 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Your Homestead Account has been suspended (KMM3104850V41949L0KM) Comments: To: billing@homesteadsupport.com Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed you people are really testing my patience. now, I'll take three deep breaths, remember to exhale, and wait for your reply to my substantive complaints; I'm going for 3 "free" months, now, as copensation for this virtual harrassment! do you have any sense of humor, out there in that office of yours? anyway, if you don't take that Rocket-cash or Paypal thing, how am I going to be able to do it. it is rather bizarre, for a company not to accept money-orders or checks. do you think that every thing is as virtual as the Copenhagen schoolers say that it is? thus quoth: >For accounting and security reasons we can accept only credit card payment >(American Express, MasterCard, Visa) for subscription fees. We are unable >to accept personal or company checks, money orders, direct bank transfers, >or PayPal. I apologize if this causes you any inconvenience. > >*If your debit card includes a credit card symbol (such as Visa or >MasterCard), you can use it for your Homestead subscription fees. > >Regards, > >Riley >Homestead Support >[Case #1235564] >Original Message Follows: >------------------------- > > >I don't have a credit card. >why don't you "send the file" to your boss, and/or >give me his address -- if >it's in walking dystance! --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:54:07 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Your Homestead Account has been suspended (KMM3104850V41949L0KM) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dearest Quincy, I sympathize with your personal problems, but they have nothing to do and are not relevant with the purpose and intent of the Geodesic List. If you persist in abusing this marvelous communication medium, I will be forced to filter out your posts from my email. I do not wish to do this because, basically, I think you are an intelligent person who could make a substantial contribution to the Geodesic List. Sincerely, ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <== NEW Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quincy Quincy Quincy" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Your Homestead Account has been suspended (KMM3104850V41949L0KM) > you people are really testing my patience. now, > I'll take three deep breaths, > remember to exhale, and wait > for your reply to my substantive complaints; > I'm going for 3 "free" months, now, > as copensation for this virtual harrassment! > do you have any sense of humor, > out there in that office of yours? > anyway, > if you don't take that Rocket-cash or Paypal thing, > how am I going to be able to do it. it is rather bizarre, > for a company not to accept money-orders or checks. > do you think that every thing is as virtual > as the Copenhagen schoolers say that it is? > > thus quoth: > >For accounting and security reasons we can accept only credit card payment > >(American Express, MasterCard, Visa) for subscription fees. We are unable > >to accept personal or company checks, money orders, direct bank transfers, > >or PayPal. I apologize if this causes you any inconvenience. > > > >*If your debit card includes a credit card symbol (such as Visa or > >MasterCard), you can use it for your Homestead subscription fees. > > > >Regards, > > > >Riley > >Homestead Support > >[Case #1235564] > > >Original Message Follows: > >------------------------- > > > > > >I don't have a credit card. > >why don't you "send the file" to your boss, and/or > >give me his address -- if > >it's in walking dystance! > > --SIGHnS! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html > > --Oil Platform 2000!... > The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols > of the Elders of Kyoto: > (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ > BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. > Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): > 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) > 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) > 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) > 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) > 21 -- OMAHA (25K) > 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) > 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) > 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) > 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:48:14 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: geodesic In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That direct proportion is pi when using cartesian coordinates, using the cube as unit. It is 3 when using the tet as the unit. Right? Circumference/diameter=3, where 1 equals equilateral triangle edge. --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > perimeter and diameter (2 times radius) are > in direct proportion. > > thus quoth: > >In the 2d case, 6 equal circles fit around 1, 12 fit > around > >7, 18 fit around 19, etc. > > > >It seems this is true whether the collection of circles > is > >in a hexagon or a circle. That's what I am finding with > my > >marbles on the table. It seems we can say the radius of > >either shaped collection, the hex or the circle, is n/6, > >where n is the number of outer circles. It also seems > like > >the area of this collection is equal to n times r. > > > >area=nr and area=(n^2)/6 and area=6r^2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:50:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: balloons In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very interesting experiment, Paul. Let me know of you conduct your own, or find out more about it. --- Joe S Moore wrote: > Paul, > > I never heard about an experiment with a balloon. Is > there a web page where > you read this? If anyone might know it would be his > architectural partners, > Mr Sadao & Mr Zung. For their contact info see: > > http://209.196.135.250/domes/makers.htm (BFI website) > (scroll below to "Architectural/Design") > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info <======= NEW > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Taylor" > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 3:12 PM > Subject: balloons > > > > Hello, > > > > I wonder if anyone can answer this query which I > recently a little while > > ago: > > > > > Whilst trawling through the net, I found a reference > to Buckminster > > > Fuller's experiments with a white balloon and a bath > of dark-coloured > > > dye. When the balloon was vibrated the dye was only > able to collect and > > > stain on those areas of the balloon that were > experiencing the smallest > > > amount of movement. These areas were evenly spaced > nodes. > > > > > > Could you tell me where these experiments are > mentioned in his writings? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Paul Taylor > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:55:04 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: equilibrium of tension and compression In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And how do you characterize your own exchanges with the people you talk with? --- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > when "Dick" and Waterman have exchanges, > it is like the blind shouting at the deaf, and > the deaf gesticulating wildly in ESL [*] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:20:04 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: equilibrium of tension and compression Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed mutual catatonia. I forgot to put the footnote for ESL: Esperanto as a Sign Language; if you know it, you have no one to talk to! thus quoth: >And how do you characterize your own exchanges with the >people you talk with? > >--- Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > > when "Dick" and Waterman have exchanges, > > it is like the blind shouting at the deaf, and > > the deaf gesticulating wildly in ESL [*] --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:59:54 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: radial sweep NOT from 0,0,0 Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I've seen your website, JBw, but I can't say that you've seen mine (even if you think that you did, given the strange nature of Homestead). it'd be nice, if I got some help on this; they're basically ripping me off, for over amonth of outages & a screenpainter with obvious glitches that should've been fixed, years ago. (unless only *I* am using an old, beta version of their online thing, to be paranoiac .-) the idea of using the kiss-points is excellent, and the one that I've thought about using, with no impetus til the report (by Kirby) that Steve's "missing spheres" were from Fermat's 4-square problemma. however, you're on the wrong track in using a sphere-center as the origin; why should that be? I hadn't thought much of using the tetrah.voids, also, til this, but just realized (per Kirby's "quadrays"), they seem to be naturally "4D" (as well as the octah.voids; there mayn't be so-much difference between them). a nice key, as Kirby has related, is the rh.dodecah., the ceenter of whose facets are the kissing points. this shape is the "dirichlet domain" or "voronoi cell" of the CCP spheres: 4 of them meet at the fat end of the rhombi, and 8 of them at the skinny ends (this is cognate with the tetrah. and octah. voids, cl;early). the back-and-forth about dodecahedral-packing of spheres is pretty silly, unless someone tried to do it -- even in a program. >Subject: Re: closest packed shell? >No. They will skew on you. >These 20 spheres will not want to stay in their original pent >arrangements. Pents are non-structural. There is space left over inside >the pents that needs to fill. > >In a C60, same thing. Take C60 and tensionally embrace it and see what >happens. Its gonna shrink in radius. > > > > (Steve: by the way, I add to the tightest-packed same-size sphere >12-shell, > > > the 20-shell, for this reason: > > > The 12-shell --a regular icosa, has 20 three-ball pockets regularly >arrayed > > > over the icosa's 'surface.' If you were to put a ball into each Re: radial sweep NOT from 0,0,0 > >What initial length and increments are you using in > >your sweepout radius? > >I woulw start with the easiest to handle initially, to get an >idea of how the more complex of the possible start locations works. >Therefore, >while not the most potentially interesting, it still might be best >to start with the case when two spheres are kissing. >Subject: Re: Your Homestead Account has been suspended you people are >really testing my patience. now, >I'll take three deep breaths, >hold my breath and wait >for your reply to my substantive complaints; >I'm going for 3 "free" months, now, >as copensation for this virtual harrassment! > do you have any sense of humor, >out there in that office of yours? --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:00:59 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Bucky Video Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For 42 hours of color Bucky video see: http://omnifelicity.com/bucky/Default.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <=3D=3D=3D=3D NEW Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 07:51:28 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Bucky Video In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit wow....wow... I have the audio tapes, and the recording is so bad, it's difficult to make out much of what Bucky is saying at times. I always wondered when it would become available in copy, and the fact that it's also online would make Bucky feel pretty good I think (if his pattern integrity was still localized). Big thanks to JoAnne Ishimine! Leifur > From: Joe S Moore > Organization: (Retired) > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:00:59 -0700 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Bucky Video > > For 42 hours of color Bucky video see: > > http://omnifelicity.com/bucky/Default.htm > > > > ============================== > Joe S Moore > joe_s_moore@hotmail.com > http://buckminster.info <==== NEW > Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute > ============================= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:37:31 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: wcydwcydwcydwas Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm sure, you've heard the saying, It's better to be though a fool, then to bang on the keyboard to remove all of the doubt. I mean, "It's diameter is n/3" ?!? Thus quoth: whatcanyoudowithashoe. What can you do with some spheres? 1. Connect them together in a chain. This can be spun. Its diameter would be n, the number of spheres. 2. Connect them in a loop. Spin this. It's diameter is n/3. It circumference is n. 3. Connect them in triangularly in 2d, so that diameter is minimun. 4. Connect them 3 @ 1, into a sphere. This is the maximum diameter sphere cluster. C60 is an example of this arrangement. 5. Connect triangularly into a sphere, all 6 @ 1, except for 12, which are 5 @ 1. This is the minimum shell diameter arrangement. 6. Connect them tetrahedrally, all 12 @ 1, except for the outside, which has all 7 @ 1, except for 12, which have 6 @ 1. --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:39:18 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: 20 spheres Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sorry to Dick, I think, since he did state that the arrangement of 20 spheres at the vertices of an icosahedron aren’t "stable" or trigonated; is the picture in the lower URL supposed to be after it gets squished by the embracing sphere? (Actually, it seems more like "points that are equipotential on a sphere," but I don't expect that Dick will know, since he's doing "research via sErfing." Note also, he just made a *wild guess* about "pi being 3, in relation to the tetrah.;" oy heil!) In any case, the first URL shows that they don't naturally settle to equidistance; does it not? Thus quoth: http://memeticdrift.net/tau/ptdistro/20eq.htm Here's a crosseye stereo and included eig made from the coordinates obtained from the webpage linked below. The colors are merely ranges of lengths: greens are shortest, blues are in the mid-range, yellows are longest. Thus quoth: 20 spheres equidistant from a location will arrange themselves to look pretty much like this, where vertexes are sphere centers. At least, the way I understand tension and compression. http://www.csun.edu/~hcmth007/n20.html --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:56:28 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Cyberopia (the next will & testament of Eric "doublethought" Blair) Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed people actaully believe that the Web is real, amuzingly enough. of course, I've found that it is quite another thing, simply through the abuse of several would-be providers, starting with the WELL, PEN, LAFreenet, and on through synergetics-l, geodesic-l and synergeo@yahoo-reuters.NWO. Oh, and the dubious or just silly outfit known as Homestead.com. in regard to the pre-smelly Textbook Suppository of "education automation," the chief example is a meld of print from the official Scholasts of Harry-the-Potter, and the big-screen version from AOL/Time-Warner/CNN/et-al-ad-vom., along with the Lord o'the Rings and Austin "Canadian Intransigence" Powers. Bucky Fuller has a lot to bear, trust me! no, don't trust me; read what I will type, later & decied for yourself. --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:41:28 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops. >Subject: Rejected posting to GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:20:20 -0400 >Subject: Re: 20 spheres >Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com >Sorry to Dick, I think, since he did state that >the arrangement of 20 spheres at the vertices >of an icosahedron aren’t "stable" or trigonated; >is the picture in the lower URL supposed >to be after it gets squished by the embracing sphere? > (Actually, it seems more like "points >that are equipotential on a sphere," but >I don't expect that Dick will know, >since he's doing "research via sErfing." Note also, >he just made a *wild guess* about "pi being 3, >in relation to the tetrah.;" oy heil!) In any case, >the first URL shows that they don't naturally settle >to equidistance; does it not? > >Thus quoth: >http://memeticdrift.net/tau/ptdistro/20eq.htm > >Here's a crosseye stereo and included eig made >from the coordinates obtained from the webpage linked below. > The colors are merely ranges of lengths: >greens are shortest, blues are in the mid-range, >yellows are longest. > >Thus quoth: >20 spheres equidistant from a location will arrange themselves to look >pretty much like this, where vertexes are sphere centers. At least, the >way I understand tension and compression. > >http://www.csun.edu/~hcmth007/n20.html --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:50:36 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Are you mixing me up with some other Dick? I never said anything about vertexes in an asteron being equidistant from each other, just the center. Or that the vertixes of the icosa aren't stable. That'd be the dodeca, which is the proposition put forth by the compression explorer. > >Sorry to Dick, I think, since he did state that > >the arrangement of 20 spheres at the vertices > >of an icosahedron aren’t "stable" or trigonated; > >is the picture in the lower URL supposed > >to be after it gets squished by the embracing sphere? > > (Actually, it seems more like "points > >that are equipotential on a sphere," but > >I don't expect that Dick will know, > >since he's doing "research via sErfing." Note also, > >he just made a *wild guess* about "pi being 3, > >in relation to the tetrah.;" oy heil!) In any case, > >the first URL shows that they don't naturally settle > >to equidistance; does it not? > > > >Thus quoth: > >http://memeticdrift.net/tau/ptdistro/20eq.htm > > > >Here's a crosseye stereo and included eig made > >from the coordinates obtained from the webpage linked > below. > > The colors are merely ranges of lengths: > >greens are shortest, blues are in the mid-range, > >yellows are longest. > > > >Thus quoth: > >20 spheres equidistant from a location will arrange > themselves to look > >pretty much like this, where vertexes are sphere > centers. At least, the > >way I understand tension and compression. > > > >http://www.csun.edu/~hcmth007/n20.html __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:55:08 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: 20 spheres Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed you mix apples with Gravenstein apples. the vertices of the icosah. are 20, as there are 20 facets of the dodecah.; all is a matter of emphasis! >I never said anything about vertexes in an asteron being >equidistant from each other, just the center. > >Or that the vertixes of the icosa aren't stable. That'd be >the dodeca, which is the proposition put forth by the >compression explorer. > > > > >Sorry to Dick, I think, since he did state that > > >the arrangement of 20 spheres at the vertices > > >of an icosahedron aren’t "stable" or trigonated; > > >is the picture in the lower URL supposed > > >to be after it gets squished by the embracing sphere? > > > (Actually, it seems more like "points > > >that are equipotential on a sphere," but > > >Thus quoth: > > >http://memeticdrift.net/tau/ptdistro/20eq.htm > > > > > >Here's a crosseye stereo and included eig made > > >from the coordinates obtained from the webpage linked > > below. > > > The colors are merely ranges of lengths: > > >greens are shortest, blues are in the mid-range, > > >yellows are longest. > > > > > >Thus quoth: > > >20 spheres equidistant from a location will arrange > > themselves to look > > >pretty much like this, where vertexes are sphere > > centers. At least, the > > >way I understand tension and compression. > > > > > >http://www.csun.edu/~hcmth007/n20.html --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:20:38 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dave Buck Subject: Bucky in San Francisco Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Great news!! Jeff Rowlings, of foghouse.com recently announced that D. W. Jacobs wonderful play, "R. Buckminster Fuller: The History [and Mystery] of the Universe" is opening (for the third time) in San Francisco, October 20, 2002 to run until the end of the year, and possibly longer, at Project Artaud Theater. Jeff is having a dome, generously donated by Timberline Geodesics, erected in the theater lobby. A dome raising will occur on October 9 and helpers are needed. See the foghouse.com website for more details. GENI will again have a table in the lobby to make available to those attending Bucky books, tapes, maps, etc. Volunteers are needed to help in this activity. Please contact me by email or at 925-672-4464 if you or someone you know, might be interested. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:04:45 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: 9-11 essay Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Folks, Below is the link to an essay I wrote last year after the events of 9-11. I'm sure many of you will find this of interest. I look forward to your comments. Regards, - Seth >From "Visionary Vermont" to Robert Hayes Memorial The Juxtaposition of Triumph and Terrorism By Seth J. Itzkan 10/16/01 http://www.planet-tech.com/papers/showEssay.htm?cid=572 -- Seth J. Itzkan Planet-TECH Associates 70 Marshall St. Medford, MA 02155 781-874-0206 sitzkan@planet-tech.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:58:03 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: 20 spheres Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed excusez-moi pour le mystaque; apparently, the 20 spheres don't touch in the model, although there might be *some* way of making them do so. thus quoth: >"Place n points on a sphere in d dimensions so as to maximize the >minimal distance (or equivalently the minimal angle) between them." >N. J. A. Sloane, with the collaboration of R. H. Hardin, W. D. Smith and >others, Tables of Spherical Codes, published electronically at >www.research.att.com/~njas/packings/ thus saith: >actually, it's mixing gravenstiens with orange cox pippins; >the dodecah. hath 20 vertices, as well, as >it's the dual to the icosah. that's the hole raisin deter >of Bucky's neologism (and mine, >of -astera .-) > most of the time, though, >I don't know what you guys are getting-on about, >with your 5@1 notations, and >I don't think taht it's really "all, therein." --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:26:54 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: images of Buckminster Fuller Comments: To: Joanne Shen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joanne, Since my web site is for nonprofit educational purposes, I am using a lot of other people's materials under the "Fair Use" provisions of the copyright law. I have probably forgotten where I found some of the Bucky pics, but browse through the ones I have (see http://www.buckminster.info//Pics/ and scroll below to "People-Fuller- "). If you find something you like, let me know and maybe I can remember where I found it, and thus who owns it. Also, go to the bottom of my Home page and search for Schlossberg. You should get 7 hits that may be useful to you. Also, you may want to contact the Buckminster Fuller Institute (http://209.196.135.250/ ). They may be able to help you even though they sold Fuller's archives to Stanford University; see http://www.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead/stanford/mss/m1090/@Generic__BookView;c s=default;ts=default ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <== NEW Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Shen" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: images of Buckminster Fuller > Hi, > > I am doing a documentary profile about Edwin Schlossberg, an interactive > exhibit designer who worked with Buckminster Fuller in the 70s. In our > recent interview with Schlossberg he talked about Fuller's impact on his > work and way of thinking. Therefore, we are looking for images of > Buckminster Fuller. I found your impressive website and was wondering if you > could point me towards any images of Fuller that you know are in the public > domain. We would be happy to credit your website in our program. > > Thanks! > > > Joanne Shen > > Winton duPont Films > 39 Mesa St., Ste 111 > The Presidio > San Francisco CA 94129 > > 415-561-2250, ext 101 > > www.wdfilms.com > www.joanneshen.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:29:08 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: prime vector Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed in case there's any confusion about what Bucky meant by his layers of a VE 12-around-one ballpack: Are they not simply the planar ones of ABCABC (trigonal) and ABAB (tetragonal) facets, as far as they overlap (and no farther, giving the next layer of 42 (?) and so on) ?? the dih.angle of the cuboctah. (VE) is htat of a tetrah. and one-half of an octah.; I've long-since forgotten the angular value for that and for the icosah., which is irrational in degrees; thus, there's no *reason* to recall it. thus saith: >Bucky may've meant: >the dihedral angle of the cuboctah. are such that >the balls (CCP) in adjoining layers will touch; >the dih.angle of the icosah. is larger. > >thus quoth: > > The icosa has 20 of these. > >--Episcopate Signs !?! >http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html >http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/brainw.htm _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:47:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Stress Analysis Comments: To: Bob_Durling@hmco.com Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr Durling, Please see: http://www.buckminster.info//Index/Str-Stz.htm (scroll below to = "Stress") http://www.buckminster.info//Index/Domes-S.htm (scroll to "Stress = Analysis") http://www.buckminster.info//Ideas/02-TriDomeStressAnalysis.htm I hope this helps, =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <=3D=3D NEW Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob_Durling@hmco.com=20 To: joe_s_moore@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:32 AM Mr. Moore--=20 Hi, my name is Bob Durling, and I work for Houghton Mifflin, a large = educational publishing firm in Boston. For one of our 6th grade math = books, I'm trying to find information, based on Buckminster Fuller's = theories, as to why a structure composed of triangles is so much = stronger than one composed of rectangles. The key is, I'm looking for = actual data and equations -- for instance, this beam is x times = stronger and stiffer than this one because of the triangular trusses, or = this geodesic dome is x times stronger than a similarly sized = recatngular structure.=20 Any assistance you could provide me in this matter, whether with = actual equations or possible ideas on where to look for these equations, = would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help--=20 --Bob Durling=20 P.S. I was referred to your site by Kirby Urner, another Fuller = aficionado. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 00:15:23 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re "H2 Econ. 101" (want an op-ed elaboration?) Comments: To: letters@latimes.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear Editor (re Monday's California Sec. on H2); The often perspicuous, would-be expert-of-all-things, JeremyRifkin, seems to have become a spokesman for the "fossilized fuel" folks, in the guise of promoting their latest product, hydrogen gas, which is virtually all made, now, from methane (natural gas) -- the bad CO2 is liberated at the plant, so that one's car will, then, produce nothing but water! The problem is, as in almost all press-releases (I've seen over the years, that are not feature articles), he confuses the fact that hydrogen has to be generated, using power, in order to be able to burn it -- with oxygen -- with silly stuff, like "zero-point energy." The fact that hydrogen is just another kind of battery is obscured; it's not a "fuel," in the sense that we can just dig it out from some deposit. Also, the putative mass-processing of biomass for H2 will have to deal with sludge, although it may be great for organic garbage of all sorts. Please, let the quantum "mechanics" and the "fuzzy" logicians posit things, that sound too-good to be true -- to be made into national energy policy. --Sincerely, Brian Hutchings, P.O.Box 701, Santa Monica 90406 --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:41:12 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Foerd Ames Subject: Re: Re "H2 Econ. 101" (want an op-ed elaboration?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We have oceans of cyclable hydrogen readily derived from seawater. Ocean = wave energy conversion may power large scale electrolysis "filters" and = the product of combustion may be recombined with other seawater elements = (salt, for example) and resourced to the sea- full cycle, clean. Among = issues regarding large scale implementation are effects of conversion = means on hydrologic cycling rates (including clouds), minimizing = aeration and reflectance changes of the technology relative to existing = hydroface conditions, and biological redistribution. There are many = other topics and, if interested, maybe you'd like to take a look at the = below web site- especially Bucky's map page (arranged in his one world = ocean configuration). Foerd Ames Ocean Wave Energy Company 20 Burnside Street Bristol, RI 02809 USA email: foerd@owec.com web site: www.owec.com voice and fax: 401-253-4488 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Quincy Quincy Quincy=20 Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re "H2 Econ. 101" (want an op-ed elaboration?) Dear Editor (re Monday's California Sec. on H2); The often perspicuous, would-be expert-of-all-things, = JeremyRifkin, seems to have become a spokesman for the "fossilized fuel" folks, in the = guise of promoting their latest product, hydrogen gas, which is virtually = all made, now, from methane (natural gas) -- the bad CO2 is liberated at the = plant, so that one's car will, then, produce nothing but water! The problem is, as in almost all press-releases (I've seen over the years, that are not feature articles), he confuses the fact that hydrogen has to be generated, using power, in order to be able to burn it -- with oxygen -- with silly stuff, like "zero-point energy." The fact that hydrogen is just another kind of battery is obscured; it's not a "fuel," in the sense that we can just dig it out from some deposit. Also, the putative mass-processing of biomass for H2 will have to deal with sludge, although it may be great for organic garbage of all sorts. Please, let the quantum "mechanics" and the "fuzzy" logicians posit things, that sound too-good to be true -- to be made into national energy policy. --Sincerely, Brian Hutchings, P.O.Box 701, Santa Monica 90406 --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:10:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: Stress Analysis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The reason for the superiority of the triangle to a rectangle in structure is simple engineering. Geodesic design just capitalizes on the stability of the triangle. The geodesic dome uses integral diagonals, while standard architecture and engineers insert little triangles(called gussets) in the corners of the rectangles to make the corners stable. As Bucky Fuller said, "It is very unfair to those little triangles to make them do all the work for those big rectangles" The fact that geodesic domes use the triangles as their modular unit is key to their superior performance. Bucky also said, "A triangle is structure." Rectangles are nonstructural, and can only be useful when made structural by the insertion of triangles. > Mr. Moore-- > > Hi, my name is Bob Durling, and I work for Houghton Mifflin, a large educational publishing firm in Boston. For one of our 6th grade math books, I'm trying to find information, based on Buckminster Fuller's theories, as to why a structure composed of triangles is so much stronger than one composed of rectangles. The key is, I'm looking for actual data and equations -- for instance, this beam is x times stronger and stiffer than this one because of the triangular trusses, or this geodesic dome is x times stronger than a similarly sized recatngular structure. > > Any assistance you could provide me in this matter, whether with actual equations or possible ideas on where to look for these equations, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help-- > > --Bob Durling > > P.S. I was referred to your site by Kirby Urner, another Fuller aficionado. > > -- Formactive: http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:31:48 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Stress Analysis Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed relating to these "craft" methods of trussing, I have an old problem that I devized in my first weeks at Northrop U., which also serves to ignore Bucky's notorious bias toward the toothpick (strut, or other linear element): take six identically-dimensioned "squares," say cut from 2x4s, and attach them to make the best "cube" (or putative house). the exercise is made easier, by forming 2-square modules, the assembly of which might be considered as the crux of the design. I have to dysagree about "trigona being structural," although Bucky has actually addressed that -- all hail! thus quoth: >and engineers insert little triangles(called gussets) in the corners of >the rectangles to make the corners stable. >As Bucky Fuller said, "It is very unfair to those little triangles to >make them do all the work for those big rectangles" >The fact that geodesic domes use the triangles as their modular unit is >key to their superior performance. >Bucky also said, "A triangle is structure." Rectangles are >nonstructural, and can only be useful when made structural by the >insertion of triangles. --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:55:47 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: layers Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed after viewing that GIF, I can't think why an icosah. cannot nucleate, but it seemead as if the balls in some layers were smaller; were they? thus quoth: >Do consecutive frequency icosas fit neatly inside each other? I think >so but I am not positive. Feedback? > >http://www.tc.bham.ac.uk/bcweb/ACABU/ --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:56:48 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed well, with a publication in Dome, you've got priority, so far. That's the whole subject of my Cosmo.doc paper, the duality of 3-way vertices (-astera) with 3-sided facets (-hedra). in line with the "triacon" useage (for hexacontadeltahedron), one has to determine to use isosceles trigona, or equilateral ones (with a different emphasis for bond-length or strength .-) Thus quoth: When I first saw Buckyballs, I questioned the way they were represented. Of course they are shown like the icosas below: shrunken closest packing balls with rods inbetween. Except the Buckyballs aren't triangulated, which annoyed me, as a domebuilder. Nonstructural Buckyballs. So I drew the atoms as triangles, and the nonstructural Buckyballs became...........Triacons! Ever consider the path of an electron around the nucleus to be triangular? Seems more efficient than a circle (complicated, many deflections). I wrote an article about this in DOME --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:59:55 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed just for completeness, the "standard model" of C-60 would be called, by virtue of its atoms being "zero-D points," a hexaconta-gamma-asteron. --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:12:23 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw the identical triangles of the 2v triacon as significant. The 2v Triacon fits perfectly in the Buckminsterfullerene C60: 60 identical isoceles triangles. The Fly's Eye is also an interesting expression of this formation. My house is based on the C60, and I thought a lot about the hexpent formation while I was building it (a membrane dome with hexpent frame added after assembly of the freestanding shell). Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > well, with a publication in Dome, you've got priority, so far. > That's the whole subject of my Cosmo.doc paper, > the duality of 3-way vertices (-astera) with 3-sided facets (-hedra). > in line with the "triacon" useage (for hexacontadeltahedron), > one has to determine to use isosceles trigona, or equilateral ones > (with a different emphasis for bond-length or strength .-) > > Thus quoth: > When I first saw Buckyballs, I questioned the way they were represented. > Of course they are shown like the > icosas below: shrunken closest packing balls with rods inbetween. Except > the Buckyballs aren't triangulated, which annoyed > me, as a domebuilder. Nonstructural Buckyballs. So I drew the atoms as > triangles, and the nonstructural Buckyballs > became...........Triacons! > Ever consider the path of an electron around the nucleus to be > triangular? Seems more efficient than a circle > (complicated, many deflections). I wrote an article about this in DOME > > --SIGHnS! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > -- Formactive: http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:16:05 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the dystinction between a cuboctahedron and a VE is naught, as far as the shape goes" 6 regular tetragona and 8 regular trigona. of course, the cubotahedron will "jitterbug," if the program allows it to. >IVMap1.eig, available at >http://tetrahedraverse.com/eigs/IVMap1.zip , >was built by John Brawley. He insists that it is based on ccp. > >The main body of the structure was constructed from many cuboctahedra >joined together along square faces. This doesn't make a ccp. If the >cuboctahedra were nucleated, then it would be ccp. They aren't >nucleated. It isn't ccp. --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:26:49 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed this makes it interesting to ask the question, if these two shapes (hexaconta-delta-hedron and -gamma-asteron) are dual, than what is "isoceles" about the latter, commonly a.k.a. The Soccerball (-ene shape) ?? remember, you can also use equilateral trigona for the 60-deltahedron. what is the rest of the particulars of the shape of the 92-asteron? thus quoth: If you put a dot in the middle of each triangle of a 2v Triacon, you have a perfect C60 of atoms with TRIANGULAR DOMAINS. >I'd rather say it was the single bonded variety of a 92asteron, since >32 vertexes are unoccupied. Or an expanded version of a 60asteron. > > > > just for completeness, > > the "standard model" of C-60 would be called, > > by virtue of its atoms being "zero-D points," > > a hexaconta-gamma-asteron. --SIGHnS! http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:24:36 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those 3 legged connectors are isosceles. Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > this makes it interesting to ask the question, if > these two shapes (hexaconta-delta-hedron and -gamma-asteron) > are dual, than what is "isoceles" about the latter, > commonly a.k.a. The Soccerball (-ene shape) ?? > remember, > you can also use equilateral trigona for the 60-deltahedron. > what is the rest of the particulars of the shape > of the 92-asteron? > > thus quoth: > If you put a dot in the middle of each triangle of a 2v Triacon, you > have a perfect C60 of atoms with TRIANGULAR DOMAINS. > >> I'd rather say it was the single bonded variety of a 92asteron, since >> 32 vertexes are unoccupied. Or an expanded version of a 60asteron. > > >> > >> > just for completeness, >> > the "standard model" of C-60 would be called, >> > by virtue of its atoms being "zero-D points," >> > a hexaconta-gamma-asteron. > > > --SIGHnS! > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html > > --Oil Platform 2000!... > The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols > of the Elders of Kyoto: > (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ > BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. > Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): > 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) > 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) > 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) > 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) > 21 -- OMAHA (25K) > 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) > 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) > 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) > 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > -- Formactive: http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:49:34 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Buckminster Fuller Projection Maps Comments: To: mapsmith@mapsmithus.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr Charles W. Smith, M.A, Managing Geographer Tucson's Map & Flag Center 3239 N. First St. Tucson, AZ 85719 520-887-4234 Dear Sir, One of your clerks suggested that you may be interested in the following = information: Buckminster Fuller Projection Maps & Globes are available through the = following organizations: Buckminster Fuller Institute = http://www.bfi.org/cgi-bin/shop/search.cgi?f=3Dresult_category.html&categ= ory=3DCATMaps&perpage=3D10&sortby=3Dnone Global Energy Network Institute = http://www.geni.org/energy/shop/geni_products/products.html The World Game http://www.worldgame.org/products/maps.shtml WorldSat International = http://www.worldsat.ca/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=3Daction&key=3DSE =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joe S Moore Tucson, AZ joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <=3D=3D NEW Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:44:36 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: geodesic Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed hm. what are the shells' numbers, starting with one at the center -- 1,12,42,192?... that seems similar-enough, although you're really into the realm of _Universal Foam_ (good book, although it goes with the standard QBS "Copenhagen" flim-flam .-) that is to say, you could *try* to center a pack around 5 spheres, by suitably finding a center for them, "axiomatically." however, I guess that you "fly, wrongly," when you just *subtract one* to get the inner layer(s); except that I haven't tried to check it. thus quoth: So I packed these 97 stretchy-skinned fluid sacks into a ball. All extra space disappeared from the interior as the tension reached a maximum. There were 66 balls in the outer shell, 26 in the second shell and 5 in the inner shell. Using n=66 in the above formula, f=rt(66-2)/10]=2.53. Then, by plugging in 2.53 as the frequency of this cluster into the equation for total spheres in a cubocta: 10f^3/3+5f^2+11f/3+1=n(total) 53.99+32.00+9.28+1=96.27 Is this circular reasoning or coincidence or other? Also, if the frequency of the second and third shells are 1.53 and 0.53 --SIGHnS: What Did Dick Know When He Knew It? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:57:15 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm not sure what you're getting at. in the only "soccerball" model that I've seen, it is not the standard archimedean solid (-asteron!), because every-other edge of the hexagona are different (60 identical edges to the 12 pentagona, and 30 that are from the original dodecah.). in both cases, though, the dual (-hedron) is made of isoceles trigona, although the C-60 cognate will be *more* isoceles (because the soccerball's vertices are not regular; they are all identical, which provides the basis for ennumerating the archimedeans. anyway, "triacon" is *****y jargon, another "tm" a la Dymaxion or vertexion; eh? thus quoth: One more point to add: although the half struts coming out of the atom balls are the same length, there are different angles- so they do describe an isosceles after all. Two of the angles describe hexagons, one describes a pentagon. >Wait, I got that wrong, I should have looked at a model. The distances >are all the same. >The Triacon lines go to the centers of the hexes and pents, and are >isosceles. The familiar 3 legged formations in the standard presentation >of half struts and balls >are all the same in length; however, they describe little triangles that >only would cover a small area, tip to tip, with no stability. >The 2v Triacon describes the triangular domain of each atom, and covers >the entire C60. 60 identical isosceles >triangles, a stable and simple figure. It is obvious the domains are >triangular, but the Triacon is not as well known as the >Type 1 geodesic. The Triacon is simpler, more symmetrical than any other >subdivision. > >You are exactly right about the irregular hexagon model. That is the >Fuller truncatable, I got a little mixed up, >I'm sure that concept does not apply to Carbon molecules! --SIGHnS: What Did Dick Know When He Knew It? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:55:58 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Soccer balls can be made of equilateral pentagons and hexagons. The (1970) Pacific High School domes were made of these-with crooked 3/8 and 5/8 bases. Triacon just comes from triacontahedron, the 30 sided figure made of 'diamonds'. Or double triangles. Or quadruple LCD's. Yes the duals are isosceles in any case. Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > I'm not sure what you're getting at. > in the only "soccerball" model that I've seen, > it is not the standard archimedean solid (-asteron!), > because every-other edge of the hexagona are different > (60 identical edges to the 12 pentagona, and > 30 that are from the original dodecah.). > in both cases, though, the dual (-hedron) is made > of isoceles trigona, although the C-60 cognate will > be *more* isoceles (because the soccerball's vertices > are not regular; they are all identical, > which provides the basis for ennumerating the archimedeans. > anyway, "triacon" is *****y jargon, another "tm" > a la Dymaxion or vertexion; eh? > > thus quoth: > One more point to add: although the half struts coming out of the atom > balls are the same length, there are different angles- so they do > describe an isosceles after all. Two of the angles describe hexagons, > one describes a pentagon. > >> Wait, I got that wrong, I should have looked at a model. The distances >> are all the same. >> The Triacon lines go to the centers of the hexes and pents, and are >> isosceles. The familiar 3 legged formations in the standard presentation >> of half struts and balls >> are all the same in length; however, they describe little triangles that >> only would cover a small area, tip to tip, with no stability. >> The 2v Triacon describes the triangular domain of each atom, and covers >> the entire C60. 60 identical isosceles >> triangles, a stable and simple figure. It is obvious the domains are >> triangular, but the Triacon is not as well known as the >> Type 1 geodesic. The Triacon is simpler, more symmetrical than any other >> subdivision. >> >> You are exactly right about the irregular hexagon model. That is the >> Fuller truncatable, I got a little mixed up, >> I'm sure that concept does not apply to Carbon molecules! > > > > --SIGHnS: What Did Dick Know When He Knew It? > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html > > --Oil Platform 2000!... > The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols > of the Elders of Kyoto: > (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ > BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. > Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): > 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) > 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) > 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) > 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) > 21 -- OMAHA (25K) > 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) > 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) > 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) > 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > -- Formactive: http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:57:42 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed well, I'd forgotten that derivation of "triacon," which really *is* obfuscatoricatin'. back to the related problem (because of the nesting: triacontah./dodecah./hexah. (QUOOB)), how to make a hexah. with 6 "squares of some thickness;" that is, they're parallelepipeds with one lesser dimension. the first clue was to fabricate 2-square modules; then, you can choose the handedness (enantiamorph) of the putting-together, >Soccer balls can be made of equilateral pentagons and hexagons. The >(1970) Pacific High School domes were made of these-with crooked 3/8 and >5/8 bases. >Triacon just comes from triacontahedron, the 30 sided figure made of >'diamonds'. Or double triangles. Or quadruple LCD's. >Yes the duals are isosceles in any case. >>--SIGHnS: What Did Dick Know When He Knew It? >>http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:55:40 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: geodesic Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed since what you're doing is making a "foam," unless you've somehow forced it to make an array of truncated octahedra (icosakaitetra-asteron; or just rh.dodecah. "cee cells"), then you're not going to have much of an algorithm for determining this stuff. it's just a sort of "craft method" that you must use, to actually get these numbers; eh? anyway, since the marshmellows are the units of measure, I would *not* call the shape by its vertices. thus quoth: though each shell has to fill, although the greatest shell seems to control the thing. A 66asteron, can we call it? Or is it a 5asteron inside a 26asteron inside a 66asteron? --SIGHnS: What Did Dick Know When He Knew It? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:59:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed a trigonal orbit is a bit of a joke, even if its domain is trigonal! back to my puzzle on really building a quoob from structural tetragons (squares): the 2-tetragon modules are in the shape of an L (cross-section?). thus quoth: On an atomic scale, I think a triangular orbit would be far more efficient than a round or elliptical one. A triangle is structure; an atom is structure; perhaps an atom is a triangle. Or a tetrahedron. thus saith: how to make a hexah. with 6 "squares of some thickness;" that is, they're parallelepipeds with one lesser dimension. the first clue was to fabricate 2-square modules; then, you can choose the handedness (enantiamorph) of the putting-together, --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:29:26 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: H2 for me and you? Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I was beaten-on by the huckster of The Hydrogen Economy, Jeremy "Big Daddy Druid o'the EU" Rifkin, when he breezed in and out of the bookstore, without letting me demolish his silly L.A.Times editorial -- zero-point energy, any one? --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:39:10 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed first of all, Steve seems to be using the usual "particulate" ideal of an electron; then, he proposes a tripartite careening-around of it, "bing, bing, bing (to be continued)." like, Wow? then, "Dick" has it in for every thing, but Bucky's ham-handed assertion about trigonal "structure," when this is exclusively based upon his apocryphal, childhood uncovery at Milton Acad.of "what toothpicks can do with peas" -- it warn't sexual! well, isn't it supposed to be obvious, that the dual of a shape is conceptually of no difference, and that the putative role of the edges of the shapes is the same, i.e. of covalent bonding? not that a mere line-segment is "really" a covalent bond, any more than a doubled segment is a double-bond; it's just a representation!... we've replaced a no-D vertex with a facet of no thickness (of course, a la stringtheory, which may have been why, sir what's-his-name was so snooty about his problemma .-) so, my puzzle about making a "quoob" from 6 "squares" is predicated on the obvious shopwork ideal of using *sturctural* tetragona, and you can get the "point" of the exercise best, if the squares are really quite thick, so that, as in the "basketweave tenseg." construction, you can't just gloss-over the so-called turbining (of the two enantiamorphs of mirror-image pairs). thus quoth: Think of how complex a circular orbit around a nucleus would be compared to bing*bing*bing -a triangle. >huh; so, every thing vibrates (all spheres rotate, >thus the pole-to-pole *diameter* is active, >not the radius), but hwat difference does that make >to the vertices? > >anyway, a trigonal path wouldn't be the shortest path, >neccesarily or at all. thus quoth: What is your interest, Quin, in the duals of structural systems? The duals are not structural. >just like Sir what's-his-name, >you neglect the actual dualization of vertices >unto facets; the atoms "are" trigonal, >in this case, as much as they *were* points, >in the old model. --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:43:35 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'd just like to note that, if the 12 radial "springs" were "slackened," then wouldn't the "weighty" cetnral ball cause them to all fall to the "ground" (because of "gravity") ?? it seemed that the one with just the radials, had actually jitterbugged all the way to one of the icosah. phases; eh? thus quoth: http://memeticdrift.net/tau/cuboc/cuboc3.htm The webpage may be of interest... even to those who may find the rest this post negatively interesting. --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:42:01 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No! Not toothpicks and peas. It's thread and hollow rods. The necklace model. Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > first of all, > Steve seems to be using the usual "particulate" ideal > of an electron; then, > he proposes a tripartite careening-around of it, > "bing, bing, bing (to be continued)." like, Wow? > > then, "Dick" has it in for every thing, but > Bucky's ham-handed assertion about trigonal "structure," > when this is exclusively based upon his apocryphal, > childhood uncovery at Milton Acad.of "what toothpicks can do > with peas" -- it warn't sexual! > > well, isn't it supposed to be obvious, that the dual > of a shape is conceptually of no difference, and that > the putative role of the edges of the shapes is the same, > i.e. of covalent bonding? > not that a mere line-segment is "really" a covalent bond, > any more than a doubled segment is a double-bond; > it's just a representation!... we've replaced a no-D vertex > with a facet of no thickness (of course, > a la stringtheory, which may have been why, > sir what's-his-name was so snooty about his problemma .-) > so, my puzzle about making a "quoob" from 6 "squares" > is predicated on the obvious shopwork ideal > of using *sturctural* tetragona, and > you can get the "point" of the exercise best, > if the squares are really quite thick, so that, > as in the "basketweave tenseg." construction, > you can't just gloss-over the so-called turbining > (of the two enantiamorphs of mirror-image pairs). > > thus quoth: > Think of how complex a circular orbit around a nucleus would be compared > to bing*bing*bing -a triangle. > >> huh; so, every thing vibrates (all spheres rotate, >> thus the pole-to-pole *diameter* is active, >> not the radius), but hwat difference does that make >> to the vertices? >> >> anyway, a trigonal path wouldn't be the shortest path, >> neccesarily or at all. > > > thus quoth: > What is your interest, Quin, in the duals of structural systems? The > duals are not structural. > >> just like Sir what's-his-name, >> you neglect the actual dualization of vertices >> unto facets; the atoms "are" trigonal, >> in this case, as much as they *were* points, >> in the old model. > > > --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html > www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > -- Formactive: http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:01:17 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms In-Reply-To: <3D8A6ED9.5010600@sover.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is there a difference conceptually between an opening, a nothing, and a vertex, a something? Why bother with your asteron trademark if there isn't a conceptual difference? > > well, isn't it supposed to be obvious, that the dual > > of a shape is conceptually of no difference, __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:06:29 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: edge equals neighbor Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A sphere in a cluster of spheres can only have 12 closest neighbors at a time. Each sphere in a cluster of spheres can be considered to be most attracted to 12 other spheres, except for the outer layer, which has 9 closest neighbors, except for 12 which have 8 closest neighbors. The outer spheres have 6 neighbors which are in the outer shell curved layer and 3 nested neighbors on the inside, except for 12, which have 5 neighbors in the shell and 3 on the inside. Edges can be accounted for this way in any sphere cluster, and each edge accounts for 1 neighbor. edge=neighbor __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:15:05 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: kepler's conjecture Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow, I just found this. Does anyone know about the story? From: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/KeplerConjecture.html "In 1611, Kepler proposed that close packing (cubic or hexagonal) is the densest possible sphere packing (has the greatest ), and this assertion is known as the Kepler conjecture. Finding the densest (not necessarily periodic) packing of spheres is known as the Kepler problem. Buckminster Fuller (1975) claimed to have a proof, but it was really a description of face-centered cubic packing, not a proof of its optimality (Sloane 1998). A second putative proof of the Kepler conjecture was put forward by W.-Y. Hsiang (Cipra 1991, Hsiang 1992, Hsiang 1993, Cipra 1993), but was subsequently determined to be flawed (Conway et al. 1994, Hales 1994, Sloane 1998). According to J. H. Conway, nobody who has read Hsiang's proof has any doubts about its validity: it is nonsense." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:13:59 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed both a "window" and a "crossing" (vertex) are defined by linear elements: diagramatically in the case of most geometry texts; otherwise as far as Rugrat Buckafka Fullofitarians are concerned. in the first case, the "nothing" is an intervening expanse of paper; in the second, some other stuff (like, a hub ?-) >Is there a difference conceptually between an opening, a >nothing, and a vertex, a something? thus quoth: >Why bother with your asteron trademark if there isn't a >conceptual difference? > > > > well, isn't it supposed to be obvious, that the dual > > > of a shape is conceptually of no difference, > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? if I Yahoo'd (tm); I wouldn't be a republican; would I? --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:20:37 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: kepler's conjecture Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'd be suprized that Bucky actually claimed to have prooved it, per se, other than merely saying "Is so!" at least, I've never read it. I was amuzed that the citation gave of the "dodecahedral conjecture," which is about the voronoi domain being related to the *regular* one. >http://mathworld.wolfram.com/KeplerConjecture.html > > >"In 1611, Kepler proposed that close packing (cubic or >hexagonal) is the densest possible sphere packing (has the >greatest ), and this assertion is known as the Kepler >conjecture. Finding the densest (not necessarily periodic) >packing of spheres is known as the Kepler problem. > > Buckminster Fuller (1975) claimed to have a proof, but it >was really a description of face-centered cubic packing, --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:29:04 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I can easily grant the idea that everything will shift, but how does this relate to the general subject of closest-packing? as the diameter of the (say) watermanhedron expands, the amount of shifting will become smaller, as with teh surface-area to voluem ration. so, maybe you can devlop a hypothesis in those terms. >Objections fall into two categories: >1) CCPs can't be CCPs if even one sphere's out of place (hence you'd still >be with me), >2) CCPs can still be CCPs if some are not in place (Braley's position, if I >recall and am not misstating him, is that the center of a sphere-compressed >Waterman --for example-- might still be CCP even if its outer spheres have >moved somewhat). > >I am of the opinion that, given perfect, equal, and frictionless spheres, >the *whole*CCP* in a sphere-mashed Waterman will be distorted, parts of it >to obviously great degree (our outer-layer spheres), other parts --like >deep >inside-- to perhaps almost undetectable, but factual, degree. --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:39:18 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed for assistance in grokking the King's silly language, I had included a quote of your own spiffy words on your own spiffy problemma. you'd elsewhen noted the number of inpinging forces, as you go to the center of the (say) watermanhedron; if the balls are thought to be frictionless -- as we usually do in these pure constructs -- then there will be one resultant force, and this against the ball's other 12 neighbors ... never mind! >It'd help communication if you'd simply write clear English... > > thus quoth: > > (?!) You still think, after all this time and evidence to the > > contrary, that > > densest packing of many unit spheres in a spherical container *will* > > be CCP? > > Steve Waterman's comments, Dick's, Kirby's, et.al., and you're still > > hanging > > on fer dear life to the CCP's clearly unstable orthogonality even > > when it's > > forced out of that form by having to pack against *any* (not just a > > spherical container) curved surface? CCP fails in *any* force-packing > > that's on any curved surface *at*all*. IVM, being > > sloppily/permissively > > defined and having missing edges from an otherwise nice little icosa- > > based > > matrix, *can* make certain adaptations to curvature, but not without > > a mess > > of differential, individual-VE-by-individual-VE jitterbugging. > > > > .com > > > > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:36:41 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun Comments: To: synergeo@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed firstly, "jumblepack" has no-more meaning than the magician's use of "random," meaning, give your dough to the goddess Fortuna and me, Her Humble Servant! (it is thus, as monsieur Brawley has styled himself as a magician, on his website, and by his ad-vomitorium style of random-Shakespeare-typing ... takes time !-) admittedly, Bucky's IVM is pretty exclusive to CCP, and any "jitterbugging" a la a "complex of jitterbugs" will spontaneously destroy the CCP. whether Bucky made any claims that were contrary to that, I don't recall. the "complex" has to be grokked in terms of its actual elements, which are essentially trigonal, with those funky hinges (three per). I guess, this is where JBw gets into his hissy-fit over the "missing 6 digaonals," which is absurd if one is referring to kissing-points, and possibly when refering to the "complex." there are no diagonals in an octahedral void, and the octahedron (or hexa-asteron) is "structural" in Bucky's terms (the toothpicks-and-soft-peas version of Reality; used t'be a friend of ours). if the "diagonals" were there, the "complex" would be totally rigid -- although, of course, we have to deal with all sorts of extra junk with "springdance," what ever in Hell that is. (what it is, is probably related to the tiny size of the usership of Synergeo@yahoos!(tm)groups.com; eh?) >I have, however, modified my stance on the IVM being required to be thus >tightly defined; it claims only "isotropy" for its "vectors" in the >"matrix" >they're seen in, and one can twist it up rather horribly without losing the >correct meaning of *any* of those three words, because the lack of >common-sense-present diagonals in its comprising VE subunits' square >"faces" >makes this possible. (Were they present, it could not be "isotropic," and >twisting up the pattern would further ruin its remaining ragged >isotropism.) > > > (You first made this pronouncement as part of an attempt to get around >the >obvious idea that the densest packing of many unit spheres in a spherical >container will be ccp (or Barlow).) > >(?!) You still think, after all this time and evidence to the contrary, >that >densest packing of many unit spheres in a spherical container *will* be >CCP? >Steve Waterman's comments, Dick's, Kirby's, et.al., and you're still >hanging >on fer dear life to the CCP's clearly unstable orthogonality even when it's >forced out of that form by having to pack against *any* (not just a >spherical container) curved surface? CCP fails in *any* force-packing >that's on any curved surface *at*all*. IVM, being sloppily/permissively >defined and having missing edges from an otherwise nice little icosa-based >matrix, *can* make certain adaptations to curvature, but not without a mess >of differential, individual-VE-by-individual-VE jitterbugging. > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:39:10 +0000 > From: "Quincy Quincy Quincy" >Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms > > >first of all, >Steve seems to be using the usual "particulate" ideal >of an electron; then, >he proposes a tripartite careening-around of it, >"bing, bing, bing (to be continued)." like, Wow? > >then, "Dick" has it in for every thing, but >Bucky's ham-handed assertion about trigonal "structure," >when this is exclusively based upon his apocryphal, >childhood uncovery at Milton Acad.of "what toothpicks can do >with peas" -- it warn't sexual! > >well, isn't it supposed to be obvious, that the dual >of a shape is conceptually of no difference, and that >the putative role of the edges of the shapes is the same, >i.e. of covalent bonding? > not that a mere line-segment is "really" a covalent bond, >any more than a doubled segment is a double-bond; >it's just a representation!... we've replaced a no-D vertex >with a facet of no thickness (of course, >a la stringtheory, which may have been why, >sir what's-his-name was so snooty about his problemma .-) > so, my puzzle about making a "quoob" from 6 "squares" >is predicated on the obvious shopwork ideal >of using *sturctural* tetragona, and >you can get the "point" of the exercise best, >if the squares are really quite thick, so that, >as in the "basketweave tenseg." construction, >you can't just gloss-over the so-called turbining >(of the two enantiamorphs of mirror-image pairs). --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:49:20 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops; I meant to add this in the last posting. I just came to the conclusion, long a suspicion, that sir what's-his-name has been deliberately deceptive about the trigon-faceted model of the fullerenes (that is to say, the dual to the soccerball models of C-60 et al, which are always of the form C-sub-2n, just as the detlahedra only have even numbers of trigonal facets). this is most apparent from the viewgram that was reproduced from his lecture, in Nude Scientist -- which was impossible to "view," if you didn't already know what the shapes *were*. (the fact that the this set of shapes has at least one, real "boner," is another matter; at the time of the lecture, it seemed that he really didn't quite "get it," either.) in terms that you can relate to Bucky's "structure," it must be said that, contra the joints in "springdance" and so forth, the soccerball-like "old" model has hubs that are structural, in the sense of holding the 0-D (vertexial) atoms apart in the shape, so that no bond-struts will fold onto each-other & so forth. these "hub-atoms" are 3- way apices, due to having two single-bonds & one doubled. > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:39:10 +0000 >Subject: Re: Triangular carbon atoms > > >first of all, >Steve seems to be using the usual "particulate" ideal >of an electron; then, >he proposes a tripartite careening-around of it, >"bing, bing, bing (to be continued)." like, Wow? > >then, "Dick" has it in for every thing, but >Bucky's ham-handed assertion about trigonal "structure," >when this is exclusively based upon his apocryphal, >childhood uncovery at Milton Acad.of "what toothpicks can do >with peas" -- it warn't sexual! > >well, isn't it supposed to be obvious, that the dual >of a shape is conceptually of no difference, and that >the putative role of the edges of the shapes is the same, >i.e. of covalent bonding? > not that a mere line-segment is "really" a covalent bond, >any more than a doubled segment is a double-bond; >it's just a representation!... we've replaced a no-D vertex >with a facet of no thickness (of course, >a la stringtheory, which may have been why, >sir what's-his-name was so snooty about his problemma .-) > so, my puzzle about making a "quoob" from 6 "squares" >is predicated on the obvious shopwork ideal >of using *sturctural* tetragona, and >you can get the "point" of the exercise best, >if the squares are really quite thick, so that, >as in the "basketweave tenseg." construction, >you can't just gloss-over the so-called turbining >(of the two enantiamorphs of mirror-image pairs). --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:01:09 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Springdance, Hell! All of the deltahedra are just as structural as the tetrah., at least in terms (Fullofitarian) of flexibly-joined (unit) struts. Is it not a nice thing, that the symbol used for finite differences is the delta, with its trigonal shape? It is certainly a bizarre hypothesis, that there could be "regular icosahedral sub-structures" in a spherically embraced pack o balls, although there could be one, perhaps, at the center. In any case, I doubt that it'd been proven -- but how'd I know?… I'd have to agree, though, that the CCP is not really structural by itself, without such niceties as covalent bonding. on the other hand, the IVM, as usually deployed, is a chunk o'trussing. Thus quoth: structure. My recollection is that the fault, for him, is in the octahedra. Octahedra are not as stable as tetrahedra therefore the To reiterate, neither of the following shapes has been shown to exist exactly, just as the ideal IVM probably doesn't under any deformation, except in their isolated-all-by-themselv-with-nothing-touching form. of course, the octah. and tetrah. are periodically crystallographic! Thus quoth: the *icosahedron* of spheres is smaller than its wobbly fraternal twin, the nucleated icosahedron of spheres. --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:00:23 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: kepler's conjecture Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I didn't dispute Hale's "proof," either. Conway disputed *Hsiang's*, and I'd have to defer. thus quoth: In the past, I've posted several references to Hales's (or Hales') proof to Synergeo. The regular icosahedron composed of 12 unit spheres around a central one was some time ago proved to set the upper bound on possible packing density (~.77..??). The most difficult pattern to ascertain that it doesn't compete with Barlow packing is the "weary icosahedron". This can be seen in 2 guises here: http://memeticdrift.net/tau/5hedralprism/5hedralprism.htm and here: http://memeticdrift.net/tau/wearyico/99sph.htm Do any of you have, or know of, a refutation of Hales's proof? Or have reason to believe that a refutation exists? --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 03:55:24 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: To Bob Griffin, re Thursday voice-box submission (KMM3158710V91004L0KM) Comments: To: hspersonalsupport@homesteadsupport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed wait. you didn't actually say that, either. is this alike to your putative offer of beta-testing status -- which is what it already appears to be? this is completely absurd, but I don't suppose the CEO's bonuses are totally out of line with this scenario, either. >You were given one month's credit per Vinny's recommendation. > >As stated previously, a 3 month credit will not be granted. > > >Regards, > >Riley >Homestead Support >[Case #1274695] >Original Message Follows: >------------------------- > >Dear Bob Griffin; > Left a message in your box, yesterday (Thursday), but >lost your number at HSTech. > I?d been trying to get some satisfaction via Riley, >who didn?t say that he was a Super, for quite some time, >regarding an extension of my nominal year of paid service. > I have to say ?nominal,? because, quite apart from the terms >of the agreement, I was unable to edit my page for two, separate periods >of about 3 weeks, because of some strange alterations >to the online screenpainter, which I use exclusively. [*] > The last change appears to have been entirely cosmetic >-- according to others on the user boards ? except for the fact that >the button to launch the online painter was hidden!? I?d asked >about this during the 3 weeks, and it wasn?t til someone replied >on the boards, that I found out where it was. (I?d have to guess, >?cavelevel? has a lot of experience with this sort of quest, >vis-a-vu Dungeons & Dragons & Gieks (_Engineering Formulas_, >7th ed. .-) > So, please, just give me 3 months more, >for virtual pain-and-suffering and to get me through my campaign >for schoolboard. You won?t be sorry, and Thomas Edison will be proud! > >--Sincerely, Brian Hutchings, P.O.Box 701, Santa Monica 90406 > >* A friend who uses HS told me, finally, as well, taht >I could get rid of the active-X dialog boxes that appear >between almost every button-push, some-how; >these have been an annoyance, since the non-upgraded upgrade. >I actually felt like this was aimed at me, since >no-one else on the boards uses the online SB, exclusively. >Is paranoia always a bad thing?? He is the only other, >hho only uses the online SB, though I do know him. --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 03:58:20 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Just to get a Big Bang out of the way, of course, it's not just meaningless in terms of any observer, to be existing "at the creation," thus, but with the latest slap-dash additions about an *acceleratingly* expanding universe, along with the old "inflationary period" and the presumed wild fluctuations (to me) of the cosmo constant, it's hard to say if the somewhat commonplace ideal of infinitely pulling relativism of the singularity, is really therat any where. Anyway, it's not really Einstein's fault, that Hubble's uncovery of the increasing resdhift, is solely interpreted as one that is due to velocity-away-from-you; is the repulsion, mutual !?! As for the idea that there's some thing wrong with Bucky's emendation about geometry: it's just too third-grade-level to be much of a consideration. And, so, he made a number of discoveries that haven't been noticed by the mainstream of science, and that you probably haven't, either. I'd have to amend my ideal about "regular icosahedral structures" not being able to exist in an embrasure of balls (or watermanhedra), except for one. That is true, simply "because" space isn't periodically packable with 5-foldness, for the static, maximally compressed object. However, it may be possible, dynamically, somehow. Thus quoth: My purpose in these strut-structures is to find out how badly flawed the IVM-style geometric philosophical stance(s) is(are), and in what ways, and to start finding patterns that are partly 'Tversical' and partly Thus quoth: Under Einstein, gravity slows "time." That is, as we imagine going further and further back in time, toward the first instant, the gravitational field in the space we're in intensifies, thus "time" "flows" more slowly. --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:01:59 +0200 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: team cqa Subject: Easier on your blood pressure that way. In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hola quincy quincy quincy quincy quincy quincy , My personal experience is that if you are having a problem with a companys' customer service, instead of tryoing to change the entire politics of the company, just find another company. Easier on your blood pressure that way. We all know the world of humans is a jungle, and no one wants to listen to their neighbors, but you putting this on a web discussion group probably will have little effect on changing the world. Pancho molleja wait. you didn't actually say that, either. is this alike > to your putative offer of beta-testing status -- > which is what it already appears to be? > this is completely absurd, but > I don't suppose the CEO's bonuses are totally out > of line with this scenario, either. > >> You were given one month's credit per Vinny's recommendation. >> >> As stated previously, a 3 month credit will not be granted. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Riley >> Homestead Support >> [Case #1274695] > >> Original Message Follows: >> ------------------------- >> >> Dear Bob Griffin; >> Left a message in your box, yesterday (Thursday), but >> lost your number at HSTech. >> I?d been trying to get some satisfaction via Riley, >> who didn?t say that he was a Super, for quite some time, >> regarding an extension of my nominal year of paid service. >> I have to say ?nominal,? because, quite apart from the terms >> of the agreement, I was unable to edit my page for two, separate periods >> of about 3 weeks, because of some strange alterations >> to the online screenpainter, which I use exclusively. [*] >> The last change appears to have been entirely cosmetic >> -- according to others on the user boards ? except for the fact that >> the button to launch the online painter was hidden!? I?d asked >> about this during the 3 weeks, and it wasn?t til someone replied >> on the boards, that I found out where it was. (I?d have to guess, >> ?cavelevel? has a lot of experience with this sort of quest, >> vis-a-vu Dungeons & Dragons & Gieks (_Engineering Formulas_, >> 7th ed. .-) >> So, please, just give me 3 months more, >> for virtual pain-and-suffering and to get me through my campaign >> for schoolboard. You won?t be sorry, and Thomas Edison will be proud! >> >> --Sincerely, Brian Hutchings, P.O.Box 701, Santa Monica 90406 >> >> * A friend who uses HS told me, finally, as well, taht >> I could get rid of the active-X dialog boxes that appear >> between almost every button-push, some-how; >> these have been an annoyance, since the non-upgraded upgrade. >> I actually felt like this was aimed at me, since >> no-one else on the boards uses the online SB, exclusively. >> Is paranoia always a bad thing?? He is the only other, >> hho only uses the online SB, though I do know him. > > > --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html > www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:59:53 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It's easy to see that Springsex has not had a salutary effect upon the making of any hypothesis in this forum, Synergeo@yahoos!tm, especially from the following 2 URLs, which are simply odd. It's also easy to prove, at least by symmetry-argument, at least as a bit of a sketch, that your argument about 5-foldness is nonsense, at least as only limiting the investigation to a sphere-centered CCP (or, alternatively and icosah-pack-cnetered one?) that is embraced by a sphere, squished that tiny bit that it might be … it may not go any where of significance, but it'd clearly be centrally-synetrical, at the minimum; dig it? Bucky's stuff's sole experimentarium is with geodesic domes, and lots of trusswork stuff, so I don't see that it can be challenged; read the patents! I agree that "statistical significance" is irrelevant to geometry, which is purely conceptual, unlike the sprinsex program et al ad vomitorium! The most elementary study of combinatorics, is that of Pascal's trigon, tetra-asteron etc. Thus quoth: Also note that space-packing doesn't have to be periodic, nor does it have to be CCPacked; 5-foldness is everywhere in a spherically-compressed pack such as Tverse's, but not in the Bucky system, where either orthogonality or hexagonality rule supreme. Thus quoth: possible packing density (~.77..??). The most difficult pattern to ascertain that it doesn't compete with Barlow packing is the "weary icosahedron". This can be seen in 2 guises here: http://memeticdrift.net/tau/5hedralprism/5hedralprism.htm and here: http://memeticdrift.net/tau/wearyico/99sph.htm Thus quoth: But, also as a waterman gets bigger, the number of spheres in its "facets" increases, and new "facets" form. This screws up any direct relationship between spheres and the space between them and the container, since as the waterman grows, *more*spheres* come into play --can move. >From this I may intuit that the 'cracking' of the CCP --displacement of spheres from their proper places-- gets *worse* as the waterman gets bigger, rather than better. Thus quoth: Another common phrase is "statistically insignificant." Thus quoth: My new word for the day, combinatorics. Anyone experiences with it? --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:49:43 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Dick Fischbeck Subject: new Comments: To: synergeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii New numbers are in for sphere clustering. 2nd trial: n(shell)=876. n(total)=3158 f=9.34 ------------ 3rd trial n(shell)=1334 n(total)=5868 f=11.55 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:57:34 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: kepler's conjecture Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed you'd have to be kidding, about the "community dispensing" with that crappola. Every God-am issue of Nude Scientist -- as well as every other God-henceforth- shall-be The Economist issue -- parades this cosmological QBS; just look at the just- out "special issue" of Scientific American (but I don't recall if they use their sacredotal, Anglican mouthpiece, Paul Davies, as is so typical). As for Bucky's phobia about pi, it is of no concern, since that didn't involve any thing but a dumb categorical statement, "Too many decimals!" And decimals were given to uss by God, with the help of Simon Stevin (15th cce); know them well, and know your algebra, *as* well. I'm not really sure, now, that an embracing sphere *would* move the balls-in-CCP (here using a "watermanhedron" o'balls, no just its vertices, of course), because *of* the symmetry: if one starts with a ball at the center (a la 12-around-1), you have those shapes that are perfectly centrally symmetrical; if you center on a kissing-point, it is still centrally-s. if you start with an hexa-asteral (octahedral) pack o'balls, its centrally-s. if you start with a tetra-asteral pack, well, it isn't. if you start with a dodeca-asteral pack, or your icosa-what-ever, is it centrally-s.? Don't just say, "five-foldedness is omni-all-over-the-place, til you've got a handle on a definition, at least, if not a hypothesis (five balls touching one?). Bucky doesn't have to use Newton's bogus "spooky" force, since he's done a fantastic job of introducing Snelson's tensegrity: tension and compression are always-and-only co-inky-dink; if you have to go to an "aethereal" theory for that, that is that! Thus quoth: I think I'd wait for the scientific community to dispense with it. Science --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:01:17 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: All the News Google Algorithms Say Is Fit to Print Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "All the News Google Algorithms Say Is Fit to Print" (Why Do You Yahoo! (tm) ??… And Why I Prefer to Not.) I'll wait to see what happens with my argumentative provider, before I dump this Yahoo! forum for cause -- including the headline from my title from today's NYTimes, and stuff from NPR *et al ad vomitorium* since yesterday (got a radio; yuck !-) (to be continued; I'd say to connect the dots, but that is too much like Bucky's pointy-headed focus upon struts, hubs and "windows .-) --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:42:49 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: tetrahedraverse claim Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed you have enlisted a Tautologist (in the case that They were one of the Greek cults of Isis), or have merely gone spherical in your reasoning ... as I just read one of the live links on your site, where the "pionts" go baananas and "escape" from the "relatively flat" ball-surface in which they were imprisoned; Roundland? so, you're saying that because folks realized that they weren't neccesarily stuck on a flatland, they got into spaceships & split ... into the Hollow Earth?... not any stranger than the Big Bang, though! I don't see the piont, but is it supposed to be connected with the chain of reasoning that leads to "tetrahedraverse?" as far as Feynamn goeth, "sum over histories" is one of his weirdest, and certainly the most useless, for anyone who has thought about Leibniz's Least Action. to wit, what is the fastest path between two locations in space?... it's not a straight line, naturally. don't try to justify Feynman with his hand-waving argument for those "sums," since it such virtual diagrams aren't related to the math directly (except for the part of QM, wherein the probabilities transform into "virtual particles;" namely, that spherical region of Copenhagan interpretation known as "the scientifical community of particle physicists.") that Special Edition of Sci.Am. is full of such loosey-goosey evocations of Weird Energy and Dank (?) Matter, as is the "7 Qs" issue of GNU Sci. thus quoth: I imagine that time is 'created' by motion. ("Motion precedes time.") Consequently, where there is no motion, there is no "time." In my case, motion of Tverse's pionts produces increments of "time" in each of the (usually) 12 piont-to-piont intervals between a piont's neighbor pionts and itself. --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:58:48 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Bucky's kink about pi is a joke; alas, he doesn't explain why second-roots are used in his calculating, even though they have Stevin's awful, "infinite" decimal expansions. likewise, the "inside-outing" of tetrahedra -- or, topolgically, any other stick-shape, he doesn't notice -- is just a useless section in _S_; unless, you can find some thing t'do with it. there's literally *tons* of verbiage in _S_ about the nonpointlessness of the IVM. no that I agree with it, of course, but, really, it's totally mainstream since Riemann, that space & matter only co-exist, and you try to do the same with your pionts and "the intervals between them are really real," or what ever that was. really, _S_ is a gigantic hodge-podge of mathematical-physics-oid noodling, most of which is just there for perusal, other than the dome stuff & tensegrity. your absolute assurance about your axiomatic system has a lot that is magical about it; is it really internally consistant? --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:49:55 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: dome mfrs Comments: To: "Newhouse, William L." Comments: cc: "List, The DomeHome" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit William, Please go to this page http://www.buckminster.info//Index/Dome-Dt.htm and scroll below to "Manufacturers". ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <== NEW Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Newhouse, William L." To: Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: dome mfrs > > Does anyone produce dome homes as Cathredalite Domes did many years ago? Am > interested in info from a reputable kit manufacturer if any exist still. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:34:56 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: SpringDance Fun Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed in my opinion, you *have* created a simple tautology; perhaps you can show that it is other wise. now, the language that you're using (monopoles?), and the jump from a surface to the inside of it, seems to come from no where; it's quite mistifying. anyway, the idea of there not being any space without energy-cum-matter goes back (at least) to Leibniz's _Monadology_ (or see _Candide_ for a viscious & vacuuous parody). thus, to "go back" to the duality of Newton's (Descartes' et al) stuff in an absolute space, is not so hot. the main thing about "QM theory matching physics to too-many decimal places," is that that is not a problem; it is the "interpretation" via Copenhagen that is. it'd be impossible, at this juncture, to seperate the wheat from the QBS on "quantum computing" -- another Feynmanite thing -- mainly because of this prevalent interpretation. (see the current *Science* for a good resume of the "latest" in it .-) now, it's been a while since I perused _QED_, and I guess that he did make some use of least-action; but you'd have to show, how, for it to be of interest. now, your example of saving the drownee is good, but you make it sound more difficult than it is; it actually reduces to teh same answer, given more general conditions, of the path of light through a medium that is gradient (the atmosphere gets denser as you go "down" e.g.). the "sum over histories" would try to introduce a vast set of irrelvencies; to waht end? thus quoth: >I haven't enlisted a Tautologist. >Going back to simplicity from people in spaceships, >Given the huge sphere-shell and given that it is flooding tiny monopole-like >pionts into its interior, don't you carry the imagination of this onward, so >as to ask eventually (a) what happens when the sphere-shell fills itself up >with pionts, and (b) what sort of "packing" those pionts ought end up in if >they can't push the sphere-shell bigger? >But, Feynman *uses* the principle of least action in his arguments! >Read _QED: The_Strange_Theory_of_Light_and_Matter_. >"Feynman diagrams" are little condensed graphics for getting/showing results >of summing over probabilities. >Correct. Feynman's example (used in explaining light bending in a prism or >lens): >A lifeguard has to get to a drowning swimmer the fastest way. >Is that: 1) running straight toward the drowner, diving in and swimming? >(apparent shortest path; straight), >2) running straight across the beach, diving in, turning and swimming to the >drowner? (apparent shortest time on land), or >3) running laterally down the beach to the drowner's perpendicular location, >diving in and swimming to her? (apparent shortest time in the water). >The answer is none of the above, but some combination of them, determined by >adding up all the possible paths and finding the shortest one given *all* >the conditions (summing over paths). This is "principle of least time"; >Leibniz with a neon clock. --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:03:13 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Guinea-pig FU (first draft) Comments: To: hspersonalsupport@homesteadsupport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Why I was chosen to be a beta-testing guinea-pig by Homestead.com -- and They don't care! I don't know, but I was unable to edit my pages for two separate periods of about 3 weeks, and "Riley" and Bob Griffin have refused, so far, to give me any credit for those. Well, wait; they did give me an extra month for my campaign website, but they didn't tell me, and the sign-in gave the notice that I was still suspended: I could've been using it for some weeks, but I didn't know it! I am still completely paranoid about HS, and whether they might be spoofing my site, beyond the local public libraries, where it seems to be OK (almost [*]) -- as no-one seems to have been able to find a button that is near the top of my index page, for almost a year, the one for a mini-prospectus on the rings. Or, just allowing it, or not giving any indication that such spoofing might be. A so-called friend, who is really the only user of HS that I know of who exclusively uses the "online SiteBuilder," refuses to show me what happens when he does use it --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:08:09 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: Arthur Loeb memorial Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just attended the Arthur Loeb memorial at Harvard. He leaves behind quite a legacy. Arthur wrote the preface to Synergetics. His preface is almost as well known and respected as the work itself (although Arthur would shun any such comparison). Thomas Zung was also there to make a moving presentation about Bucky (Thomas Zung is the Zung of Buckminster Fuller, Sadao & Zung Architects - the design team that was with Bucky for nearly 30 years). Amy Edmundson (A Fuller Explanation) was also on hand. At the end of the session Karl Thidemann, the host, put the Bucky tribute song (by John Denver) on the tape player, but the player got jammed. So he just sang it himself and lead us all in a sing along... Good people. It's nice to know the spirit lives on... Best, - Seth -- Seth J. Itzkan Planet-TECH Associates 70 Marshall St. Medford, MA 02155 781-874-0206 sitzkan@planet-tech.com ---------- >From: Quincy Quincy Quincy >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >Subject: Guinea-pig FU (first draft) >Date: Fri, Sep 27, 2002, 6:03 PM > > Why I was chosen to be a beta-testing guinea-pig > by Homestead.com -- and They don't care! > > I don't know, but I was unable to edit my pages > for two separate periods of about 3 weeks, and > "Riley" and Bob Griffin have refused, so far, > to give me any credit for those. Well, wait; > they did give me an extra month for my campaign > website, but they didn't tell me, and the sign-in > gave the notice that I was still suspended: > I could've been using it for some weeks, but > I didn't know it! > I am still completely paranoid about HS, > and whether they might be spoofing my site, > beyond the local public libraries, where it seems > to be OK (almost [*]) -- as no-one seems > to have been able to find a button that is near the top > of my index page, for almost a year, > the one for a mini-prospectus on the rings. Or, > just allowing it, > or not giving any indication that such spoofing might be. > A so-called friend, who is really the only user > of HS that I know of who exclusively uses the "online > SiteBuilder," refuses to show me what happens > when he does use it > > > > --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html > www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:36:57 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: FW: Philomorphs - Arthur Loeb Memorial Mtg. & Memorial Svc. Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable fyi - -- Seth ---------- From: KTHIDEMANN@aol.com To: kthidemann@aol.com Subject: Philomorphs - Arthur Loeb Memorial Mtg. & Memorial Svc. Date: Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 5:07 PM *** PHILOMORPHS *** Dear Philomorphs, As many of you know, Dr. Arthur Loeb, much-beloved co-founder of the Philomorphs in the 1970s, passed away on July 19, 2002. =A0Two special events are being held to celebrate Arthur's life and contributions to the field of Design Science. First, the Philomorphs are hosting an evening of remembrance for members to share their memories of Arthur and the unique ways he inspired so many of us. =A0Immediately following this will be a special presentation by Thomas Zung, a longtime friend of Arthur's and a colleague of Buckminster Fuller's for several decades, on the life and work of Buckminster Fuller. =A0On the following day, a memorial service for Arthur is being held at his church. =A0Details for both events are provided below. =A0We hope you can join us for both gatherings. ************************************************************ A Celebration of Design Science Pioneer Dr. Arthur Loeb and The Life and Work of Buckminster Fuller, by Thomas Zung Friday, September 27, 2002 at 7:00 p.m. The Design Science Studio Sever Hall, Room 404 (4th Floor) Harvard University Quincy Street (across from the Carpenter Center of Visual Arts) Cambridge, Massachusetts ************************************************************ A Memorial Service for Dr. Arthur Loeb Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 2:00 p.m. University Lutheran Church 66 Winthrop Street (between Dunster and Holyoke Streets) Cambridge, Massachusetts ************************************************************ In lieu of flowers, donations may be made in Arthur Loeb's name to the Harvard Square Homeless Shelter, c/o the University Luther Church, 66 Sinthrop St., Cambridge, MA 02138. On Wednesday, October 30th, at 8 p.m., the public is invited to a free special event, The Music of Robert Cogan and Pozzi Escot, hosted by Philomorphs Robert Cogan and Pozzi Escot, and dedicated to Philomorphs Stephen Jay Gould, Patrick Cudmore, and Arthur Loeb. =A0It is being held at Jordan Hall, the New England Conservatory of Music, 290 Huntington Avenue, Boston (one block from Boston Symphony Hall at the corner of Gainsborough Street). Efforts are underway to resume regular meetings of the Philomorphs. =A0Notices are distributed most easily via email. =A0Those wishing to receive future notices via email or to notify me of an address change may send a note to Karl Thidemann at kthidemann@aol.com, or telephone 617-776-3887. =A0Street address changes may also be mailed to the following address. Philomorphs Carpenter Center for the Visual Arts Harvard University 24 Quincy Street Cambridge, MA 02138 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:47:01 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Leifur Thor Subject: Re: Arthur Loeb memorial In-Reply-To: <20020928040720051.AAA379@dns.bridgemedia.net@[24.61.59.100]> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit here here! > From: Seth Itzkan > Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:08:09 -0400 > To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Arthur Loeb memorial > > I just attended the Arthur Loeb memorial at Harvard. He leaves behind quite > a legacy. Arthur wrote the preface to Synergetics. His preface is almost > as well known and respected as the work itself (although Arthur would shun > any such comparison). Thomas Zung was also there to make a moving > presentation about Bucky (Thomas Zung is the Zung of Buckminster Fuller, > Sadao & Zung Architects - the design team that was with Bucky for nearly 30 > years). > > Amy Edmundson (A Fuller Explanation) was also on hand. > > At the end of the session Karl Thidemann, the host, put the Bucky tribute > song (by John Denver) on the tape player, but the player got jammed. So he > just sang it himself and lead us all in a sing along... > > Good people. It's nice to know the spirit lives on... > > > Best, > > - Seth > > -- > > Seth J. Itzkan > Planet-TECH Associates > 70 Marshall St. > Medford, MA 02155 > 781-874-0206 > sitzkan@planet-tech.com > > > ---------- >> From: Quincy Quincy Quincy >> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >> Subject: Guinea-pig FU (first draft) >> Date: Fri, Sep 27, 2002, 6:03 PM >> > >> Why I was chosen to be a beta-testing guinea-pig >> by Homestead.com -- and They don't care! >> >> I don't know, but I was unable to edit my pages >> for two separate periods of about 3 weeks, and >> "Riley" and Bob Griffin have refused, so far, >> to give me any credit for those. Well, wait; >> they did give me an extra month for my campaign >> website, but they didn't tell me, and the sign-in >> gave the notice that I was still suspended: >> I could've been using it for some weeks, but >> I didn't know it! >> I am still completely paranoid about HS, >> and whether they might be spoofing my site, >> beyond the local public libraries, where it seems >> to be OK (almost [*]) -- as no-one seems >> to have been able to find a button that is near the top >> of my index page, for almost a year, >> the one for a mini-prospectus on the rings. Or, >> just allowing it, >> or not giving any indication that such spoofing might be. >> A so-called friend, who is really the only user >> of HS that I know of who exclusively uses the "online >> SiteBuilder," refuses to show me what happens >> when he does use it >> >> >> >> --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? >> http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html >> www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:10:02 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Arthur Loeb memorial Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed preface?... I know he did an addendum about the regular dodecahedron, which is otherwise completely gone from _S_ (other than a table-entry). so, what's was Bob's song? >a legacy. Arthur wrote the preface to Synergetics. His preface is almost >as well known and respected as the work itself (although Arthur would --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:24:52 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Your Web site has been disabled Comments: To: billing@homesteadsupport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "Rufus," this is insane. I was notified that "Riley" had given me a month extension, which began in the first week of September -- although I wasn't *told* that I was, and the login said taht I was still suspended; I just found out, last week! not only that, but Riley, Bob Griffin et al have refused to give me any explanation about things that have messed-up, not just not giving me an extra 3 months, because of the (apparently) unnecessary pair of 3-week outages (for editing my pages). I have repeatedly tried to get answers, and have been stonewalled at all times. please note that the boilerplate bullshit clause of your agreement has no bearing upon corporate law; facts is facts, friends! this is to say, if I lose the election (and I probably will), then I'm going to assess you for infinite damages, for terminating my campaign site without due diligence -- or any diligence, at all. thus quoth: >My name is Rufus, and I work here at Homestead as a billing representative. >After several failed attempts to contact you and bill your credit card over >the last 30 days, we I regret to inform you that we have disabled your >Homestead Web site. > >Note: Although you are now unable to view or edit your site, you can login >to your account to update your billing information. Once you update your >billing information, we will immediately reactivate your Web site. > >If you believe this action was in error, or are having difficulty updating >your billinginformation, please contact our customer support team by phone, >or contact me by e-mail. We really want to reactivate your site! > >Phone: (800) 797-2958 >9:00 am to 5:00 pm, (PST), Monday - Friday > >E-mail: billing@homesteadsupport.com --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:56:44 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: Arthur Loeb memorial MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit two page preface Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > preface?... I know he did an addendum > about the regular dodecahedron, > which is otherwise completely gone from _S_ > (other than a table-entry). so, > what's was Bob's song? > >> a legacy. Arthur wrote the preface to Synergetics. His preface is almost >> as well known and respected as the work itself (although Arthur would > > > > --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? > http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html > www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > -- Formactive: http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:26:07 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: Re: Arthur Loeb memorial Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I was told at the memorial that the original NYT review of Synergetics spent as much ink reviewing Arthur Loeb's preface as they did on reviewing the rest of the book, and, really, understandably so; it is probably the only part the reviewers understood. It is also the first two pages anyone who read the book was most likely to see. Only two pages, but well placed. Thomas Zung read the first paragraph from the preface. It is lovely, and indeed as timely and appropriate as the work itself. "The appearance of this sizable book is symptomatic of a considerable revival of interest in geometrics, a science of configurations. Configurations observed in the sky constitute the laboratory of our oldest science, astronomy. Patterns and regularities were discerned, and speculations regarding the influence of celestial configurations on terrestrial existence gave rise to scientific as well as mystical systems of natural philosophy..." The entire preface, as well as the whole book, are available at http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/synergetics.html I would like to see that original NYT review. Anyone know how's about that can be obtained? - seth -- Seth J. Itzkan Planet-TECH Associates 70 Marshall St. Medford, MA 02155 781-874-0206 sitzkan@planet-tech.com ---------- >From: Steve Miller >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >Subject: Re: Arthur Loeb memorial >Date: Sat, Sep 28, 2002, 7:56 PM > > two page preface > > Quincy Quincy Quincy wrote: > >> preface?... I know he did an addendum >> about the regular dodecahedron, >> which is otherwise completely gone from _S_ >> (other than a table-entry). so, >> what's was Bob's song? >> >>> a legacy. Arthur wrote the preface to Synergetics. His preface is almost >>> as well known and respected as the work itself (although Arthur would >> >> >> >> --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? >> http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html >> www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >> http://www.hotmail.com >> > > > -- > Formactive: > http://www.sover.net/~triorbtl/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:39:46 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: Re: Arthur Loeb memorial Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Also, the memorial I attended on Friday night was in Arthur Loeb's studio at Harvard. It is such a wonderful place, filled with geodesic and tensengrity models of every type. The group The Philomorphs would have meetings there. I attended a few throughout the years. I wonder what will happen of it now? I hope the tradition is kept alive. Here is the appreciation from the Harvard Gazette http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/08.22/08-loeb.html Arthur Loeb, leader in design, dies at 79 Arthur Lee Loeb, a senior lecturer and honorary associate in the Department of Visual and Environmental studies, died July 19 at Brigham and Women's Hospital. He was 79. A former master of Dudley House, Loeb was an internationally renowned leader in the field of design science. Throughout his career, he successfully combined the worlds of science and art, devising a language of spatial patterns that he described as "Visual Mathematics." Loeb arrived in America in 1940 after fleeing his native Holland on the first day of the Nazi occupation. He was admitted to the University of Pennsylvania at the age of 20 and went on to earn his Ph.D. in chemical physics from Harvard in 1949. His scientific career began while working on the Whirlwind computer project, in which scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (M.I.T.) struggled to develop "core memory" for the next generation of computers. It was at M.I.T. that Loeb began to articulate a language of spatial patterns that became the central focus of his career, leading to lifelong collaborations with such innovators as R. Buckminster Fuller and M.C. Escher. Loeb's publications include "The Electrical Double Layer Around Lyophobic Colloid Particles" (1961, with Overbeek and Wiersema), "Introduction to Wave Mechanics" (1963, with Harris), "Color and Symmetry" (1971, with Krieger), "Space Structures" (1991, with Birkhauser), "Concepts and Images" (1992, with Birkhauser), and contributions to Gyorgy Kepes' "Vision and Value" series (1965-66), Fuller's "Synergetics" (1975), Istvan Hargittai's "Symmetry" (2000), and Clifford Pickover's "Future of Fractals" (1996). Loeb's articles have appeared in Acta Crystallographica, Leonardo, and the Physical Review, among others. His watercolors, sculptures, and designs have been widely exhibited. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made in Loeb's name to the Harvard Square Homeless Shelter, c/o the University Lutheran Church, 66 Winthrop St., Cambridge, MA 02138. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Copyright 2002 by the President and Fellows of Harvard College -- Seth J. Itzkan Planet-TECH Associates 70 Marshall St. Medford, MA 02155 781-874-0206 sitzkan@planet-tech.com ---------- >From: Leifur Thor >To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >Subject: Re: Arthur Loeb memorial >Date: Sat, Sep 28, 2002, 12:47 AM > > here here! > >> From: Seth Itzkan >> Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works >> >> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:08:09 -0400 >> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Arthur Loeb memorial >> >> I just attended the Arthur Loeb memorial at Harvard. He leaves behind quite >> a legacy. Arthur wrote the preface to Synergetics. His preface is almost >> as well known and respected as the work itself (although Arthur would shun >> any such comparison). Thomas Zung was also there to make a moving >> presentation about Bucky (Thomas Zung is the Zung of Buckminster Fuller, >> Sadao & Zung Architects - the design team that was with Bucky for nearly 30 >> years). >> >> Amy Edmundson (A Fuller Explanation) was also on hand. >> >> At the end of the session Karl Thidemann, the host, put the Bucky tribute >> song (by John Denver) on the tape player, but the player got jammed. So he >> just sang it himself and lead us all in a sing along... >> >> Good people. It's nice to know the spirit lives on... >> >> >> Best, >> >> - Seth >> >> -- >> >> Seth J. Itzkan >> Planet-TECH Associates >> 70 Marshall St. >> Medford, MA 02155 >> 781-874-0206 >> sitzkan@planet-tech.com >> >> >> ---------- >>> From: Quincy Quincy Quincy >>> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic >>> Subject: Guinea-pig FU (first draft) >>> Date: Fri, Sep 27, 2002, 6:03 PM >>> >> >>> Why I was chosen to be a beta-testing guinea-pig >>> by Homestead.com -- and They don't care! >>> >>> I don't know, but I was unable to edit my pages >>> for two separate periods of about 3 weeks, and >>> "Riley" and Bob Griffin have refused, so far, >>> to give me any credit for those. Well, wait; >>> they did give me an extra month for my campaign >>> website, but they didn't tell me, and the sign-in >>> gave the notice that I was still suspended: >>> I could've been using it for some weeks, but >>> I didn't know it! >>> I am still completely paranoid about HS, >>> and whether they might be spoofing my site, >>> beyond the local public libraries, where it seems >>> to be OK (almost [*]) -- as no-one seems >>> to have been able to find a button that is near the top >>> of my index page, for almost a year, >>> the one for a mini-prospectus on the rings. Or, >>> just allowing it, >>> or not giving any indication that such spoofing might be. >>> A so-called friend, who is really the only user >>> of HS that I know of who exclusively uses the "online >>> SiteBuilder," refuses to show me what happens >>> when he does use it >>> >>> >>> >>> --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? >>> http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html >>> www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:43:52 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: Arthur Loeb memorial MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seth, Synergetics (I) was published on 04-03-75; the NYT had an article by A Broyard entitled "To Live in Eternity" mentioning Fuller on 04-11-75. I don't know if it is the one you are looking for. ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <== NEW Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Itzkan" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Arthur Loeb memorial > I was told at the memorial that the original NYT review of Synergetics spent > as much ink reviewing Arthur Loeb's preface as they did on reviewing the > rest of the book, and, really, understandably so; it is probably the only > part the reviewers understood. It is also the first two pages anyone who > read the book was most likely to see. > > Only two pages, but well placed. > > Thomas Zung read the first paragraph from the preface. It is lovely, and > indeed as timely and appropriate as the work itself. > > "The appearance of this sizable book is symptomatic of a considerable > revival of interest in geometrics, a science of configurations. > Configurations observed in the sky constitute the laboratory of our oldest > science, astronomy. Patterns and regularities were discerned, and > speculations regarding the influence of celestial configurations on > terrestrial existence gave rise to scientific as well as mystical systems of > natural philosophy..." > > The entire preface, as well as the whole book, are available at > > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/synergetics.html > > I would like to see that original NYT review. Anyone know how's about that > can be obtained? > > - seth > -- > Seth J. Itzkan > Planet-TECH Associates > 70 Marshall St. > Medford, MA 02155 > 781-874-0206 > sitzkan@planet-tech.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 14:09:02 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Seth Itzkan Subject: new book Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit By the way, Thomas Zung has a new book out, Buckminster Fuller: Anthology for a New Millennium. It is creatively put together. Each chapter has a duo of writings: one by Bucky, and one about Bucky. Contributing writers include a full range of people, from Arthur C. Clarke to Steve Forbes. Bucky's samples cover the full gamut, from his earliest writings to his last. -- Seth J. Itzkan Planet-TECH Associates 70 Marshall St. Medford, MA 02155 781-874-0206 sitzkan@planet-tech.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:57:17 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Arthur Loeb memorial Comments: To: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "Our" Loeb, he name Arthur, as baby! actually, I have to question the idea that his preface is almost as well-known as the book, _S_, although it may be true, and it may not be saying too much! Thus quoth: Which "Arthur" are you guys talking about? Last name, this guy has? --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:58:02 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: tetrahedraverse claim Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thus quoth: Strike "through a medium." Replace with "at the interface between media." This is Snell's law of refraction (Descartes apparently tried to rip it off, and made an error in his diagram). Fermat's law of (least time) reflection is a special case of it. The general case is, going through a variable-density medium, which is to apply calculus to the problem ( of the "path of a photon" (sic; in any case, it gives the correct time-of-arrival of the light)). Nobody really knows what in Hell Bucky meant; just ask any one who knew him!… most of the stuff is simply evocative, not really all-worked-out, beyond elementary geometry (and, of course, the patents for tensegrity et al). Now,the fact that you use "monopoles" shows, at the least, that you have to have an embracing (compressional) sphere to hold them in. Except that you "get around" it by introducing the notion that these things are the bad, old "0-dim." points that the M-theorists are getting-around, or trying to do so. Presumably real monopoles might be "massless particles," except that that presumes that light is made of them (not to go into any other presumed such entities, like grabitights & groovinoes .-) On the other hand, the ideal of a monopole is just as theoretical as that of the quark: the latter only comes in threezies, just as poles only come in twozies. I mean, how'd you keep those point-thingies from repelling themselves to the outside of the sphere?… I might guess, from glazing-over your vast typage, that you are modeling Universe as a sphere, the which there is no outside, but that seems to beg the Fullofitarian question of "twoness;" eh? As for preferring Everett's "many universes" theory, it is simply another way of "making sense" of the Copenhagen scholars; so it goeth! Feynman's tutorial in _QED_ on his diagrammatic form for doing his "sums" is compeletly ridiculous (as I recall; I was in the bookstore, and forgot to grab a copy); he said that *every* possible path has to be included between two points … I mean, perhaps they have to be "weighted," with the longer ones getting less weight, but isn't that a silly tautology? (This also remind me that I just saw a new (?) book by Kosko, the USC purveyor of QBS in its purest form, _The Fuzzy Future_ !-) Thus quoth: I don't know. It works, and explains well for me, and my own thingie demands it, so I just accept and use the concept. Mea culpa, dude! --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:59:13 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: 1/2 w poly ? Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The main cross-sections'd be through the center ball, with one along one of the 4 ABCA cuts, and another along one of the 3 ABA cuts. (I see, Steve answered this, already.) Thus quoth: Note also that there are a number of possible planes, each of which would give you a different view, with perhaps a slightly different number of spheres.... --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:00:03 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Methane hydrate Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dodecahedra and icosahedra can fill space, if they are edge-bonded (it's just "XYZ"). Thus quoth: Thus _in nature_, we find dodecahedra attempting to fill "all space" (well, large underwater regions on a small planet, anyway), succeeding at least well enough to form vast fields of water-ice-trapped methane. I pass this along 'cause I thought it might interest y'all somewhat. The clathrate, methane hydrate: http://www.netl.doe.gov/scng/hydrate/ (You have to click on "all about hydrates" in the right-hand box. I can't get a direct link to the page with the image.) --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:40:15 -0700 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Joe S Moore Organization: (Retired) Subject: Re: new book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seth, Here's the cover pic and the Table of Contents: http://www.buckminster.info//Biblio/About-BkTOC-BuckminsterFullerAnthologyFo rNewMillennium.htm ============================== Joe S Moore joe_s_moore@hotmail.com http://buckminster.info <== NEW Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Itzkan" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.geodesic To: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: new book > By the way, Thomas Zung has a new book out, > > Buckminster Fuller: Anthology for a New Millennium. > > It is creatively put together. Each chapter has a duo of writings: one by > Bucky, and one about Bucky. Contributing writers include a full range of > people, from Arthur C. Clarke to Steve Forbes. Bucky's samples cover the > full gamut, from his earliest writings to his last. > -- > Seth J. Itzkan > Planet-TECH Associates > 70 Marshall St. > Medford, MA 02155 > 781-874-0206 > sitzkan@planet-tech.com > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:49:28 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: To Bob Griffin, re Thursday voice-box submission Comments: To: support@homesteadsupport.com Comments: cc: Mmejean33@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed number zero, if I went to Menlo Park, whould I really find your office and Bob Griffin, and you, "mister Riley?..." firstly, per the "on 9/4..informed you," I still have no idea why this termination is so soon (today is the 30th of September). secondly, why on Earth should I go to the trouble of somehow getting more money to you (since it's been stated that you dyscontinued your use of "RocketCash," don't take money-orders or personal checks), when you have refuzed to answer any of my substantive questions, for months & months? on hte wayside, if the term, "stonewalling" has any connotations in the realm of sexual dysorientation -- or if that was somehow also a rumor about "Stonewall" Jackson -- that had not occurred to me, til after I sent my n-teenth complaint that included that; sorry! >As previously mentioned, your account billing status has been closed since >you failed to update the account with a valid credit card. > >Per our policy, the contents of the account will be deleted in 60 days >since you are unwilling to update the credit card information. > > >Regards, > >Riley >Homestead Support >[Case #1274695] >Original Message Follows: >------------------------- > > >in further reply to "Rufus" and his notice >of termination. please, >don't tell me about the "User Agreement," as >this is all at the level of commonsense propriety. > I'm just patiently waiting for the rest >of my 3 months, as per the perpetual stonewalling >from Homestead Technologoies and its bogus upgrade. > >PS: my so-called friend told me that >there was some new stuff, like Flash, but >not only did I not read about it >-- could have been mentioned in one of your mailings -- >but I don't need or want to use such, since >my site is primarily literate. > > >From: Homestead Support > >Reply-To: Homestead Support > >To: Quincy Quincy Quincy > >Subject: Re: To Bob Griffin, re Thursday voice-box submission > >(KMM3165347V6430L0KM) > >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:27:30 -0700 > > > >Hi, > > > >I am the department Manager. > > > >On 9/4 I informed you that a month's credit was placed on your account. > > > >On 9/9 I stated that you will need to update your account in order to > >remove your account from suspension. Once the account is active again, >the > >one month credit will be applied. > > > >If you do not update the account with a credit card, the account billing > >status will be closed after 30 days in suspension. After 60 days of > >closure, the content of the account will be deleted. > > > > > >Regards, > > > >Riley > >Homestead Support > >[Case #1274695] > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:54:08 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Arthur Loeb memorial Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed much better to look into one of Loeb's last books, in that Birkhauser series that started with Edmondson's _A Fuller Explanation_ (?), which really does a great job of "sytematizing" all of the shapes. > > "The appearance of this sizable book is symptomatic of a considerable > > revival of interest in geometrics, a science of configurations. > > Configurations observed in the sky constitute the laboratory of our >oldest > > science, astronomy. Patterns and regularities were discerned, and > > speculations regarding the influence of celestial configurations on > > terrestrial existence gave rise to scientific as well as mystical >systems >of > > natural philosophy..." > > > > The entire preface, as well as the whole book, are available at > > > > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/synergetics.html --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:18:43 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Methane hydrate Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed If the dodecahedra were "cheese-hedra," it might, but we usually deal with diagrammatical stick-figures; if they don't say what they mean, we don't know. anyway, a "packing" doesn't require this; a "covering" does, possible with overlap. However, is it not a bad question, since the molecules are not cheeset chunks? Thus quoth: Doesn't the context of "fill space" imply: fill space with no leftover space? --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:22:23 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: 1/2 w poly ? Comments: cc: synergeo@yahooGroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This is diagrammed in _S_, I think, but I can't find the link while my page is in contention with the Gnomes of Homestead -- do they really exist in Menlo Park on Edison Ave.?? Thus saith: The main cross-sections'd be through the center ball, with one along one of the 4 ABCA cuts, and another along one of the 3 ABA cuts. (I see, It did occur to me, thte diagrams may be the raisin deter of "renormalization," or vise-versa; otherwise, they're just a lot of hokum, as far as actually trying to do "all possible paths" -- quelle ridicule! I mean, the lifeguard could always dig a tunnel, "chordally" straight to unbderneath the drownee, if he had the proper equipment on hand, which is only one velocity to deal with; eh? Open problem: why do heavenly bodies appear fatter, near the horizon? Thus saith: As for preferring Everett's "many universes" theory, it is simply another way of "making sense" of the Copenhagen scholars; so it goeth! Feynman's tutorial in _QED_ on his diagrammatic form for doing his "sums" is compeletly ridiculous (as I recall; I was in the bookstore, and forgot to grab a copy); he said that *every* possible path has to be included between two points … I mean, perhaps they have to be "weighted," with the longer ones getting less weight, but isn't that a silly tautology? (This also remind me that I just saw a new (?) book by Kosko, the USC purveyor of QBS in its purest form, _The Fuzzy Future_ !-) --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:42:52 -0400 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Foerd Ames Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: To Bob Griffin, re Thursday voice-box submission In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dude, Here we go again...We've all got problems but you're little battle with your ISP should not be one of them. You had a plethora of this chatter consistently going awhile ago then subsided it to get back (somewhat) to ideas relating to RBF (the purpose of this listserv). Please separate your thoughts by the time your fingers stroke the keys. Foerd Ames Ocean Wave Energy Company 20 Burnside Street Bristol, RI 02809 USA email: foerd@owec.com web site: www.owec.com voice and fax: 401-253-4488 -----Original Message----- From: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works [mailto:GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Quincy Quincy Quincy Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:49 PM To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: To Bob Griffin, re Thursday voice-box submission number zero, if I went to Menlo Park, whould I really find your office and Bob Griffin, and you, "mister Riley?..." firstly, per the "on 9/4..informed you," I still have no idea why this termination is so soon (today is the 30th of September). secondly, why on Earth should I go to the trouble of somehow getting more money to you (since it's been stated that you dyscontinued your use of "RocketCash," don't take money-orders or personal checks), when you have refuzed to answer any of my substantive questions, for months & months? on hte wayside, if the term, "stonewalling" has any connotations in the realm of sexual dysorientation -- or if that was somehow also a rumor about "Stonewall" Jackson -- that had not occurred to me, til after I sent my n-teenth complaint that included that; sorry! >As previously mentioned, your account billing status has been closed since >you failed to update the account with a valid credit card. > >Per our policy, the contents of the account will be deleted in 60 days >since you are unwilling to update the credit card information. > > >Regards, > >Riley >Homestead Support >[Case #1274695] >Original Message Follows: >------------------------- > > >in further reply to "Rufus" and his notice >of termination. please, >don't tell me about the "User Agreement," as >this is all at the level of commonsense propriety. > I'm just patiently waiting for the rest >of my 3 months, as per the perpetual stonewalling >from Homestead Technologoies and its bogus upgrade. > >PS: my so-called friend told me that >there was some new stuff, like Flash, but >not only did I not read about it >-- could have been mentioned in one of your mailings -- >but I don't need or want to use such, since >my site is primarily literate. > > >From: Homestead Support > >Reply-To: Homestead Support > >To: Quincy Quincy Quincy > >Subject: Re: To Bob Griffin, re Thursday voice-box submission > >(KMM3165347V6430L0KM) > >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:27:30 -0700 > > > >Hi, > > > >I am the department Manager. > > > >On 9/4 I informed you that a month's credit was placed on your account. > > > >On 9/9 I stated that you will need to update your account in order to > >remove your account from suspension. Once the account is active again, >the > >one month credit will be applied. > > > >If you do not update the account with a credit card, the account billing > >status will be closed after 30 days in suspension. After 60 days of > >closure, the content of the account will be deleted. > > > > > >Regards, > > > >Riley > >Homestead Support > >[Case #1274695] > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --SIGHnS: What'd Dick Know When He Knew IT? http://quincy4board.homestead.com/DeepPool.html www.watergate.com/stories/watergate.asp --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:52:06 +0000 Reply-To: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works Sender: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works From: Quincy Quincy Quincy Subject: Re: Arthur Loeb memorial Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed _Space Structures_ was the one that I've liked. Hargittai and his wife made a fuller book, _Symmetry Through the Eyes of a Chemist_. thus quoth: >http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/08.22/08-loeb.html >"Space Structures" (1991, with Birkhauser), "Concepts and Images" (1992, >with Birkhauser), and contributions to Gyorgy Kepes' "Vision and Value" >series (1965-66), Fuller's "Synergetics" (1975), Istvan Hargittai's >"Symmetry" (2000), and Clifford Pickover's "Future of Fractals" (1996). >Loeb's articles have appeared in Acta Crystallographica, Leonardo, and the >Physical Review, among others. His watercolors, sculptures, and designs >have --Oil Platform 2000!... The Three Phases of Exploitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto: (FOSSILISATION [McCainanites?] (TM/sic))/ BORE/GUSH/NADIR "@" http://www.tarpley.net/aobook.htm. Http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm (partial contents, below): 17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT, 3/30/81 (87K) 18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140K) 19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB (67K) 20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS (26K) 21 -- OMAHA (25K) 22 -- GEORGE "#9" TAKES THE PRESIDENCY (112K) 23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168K) 24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255K) 25 -- THYROID STORM (139K) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx